From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 1 02:20:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i017Dao10650; Thu, 1 Jan 2004 02:13:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 02:13:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <67.1f73c35c.2d252297@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 02:13:27 EST Subject: but it all fell through a week ago To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_67.1f73c35c.2d252297_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: <04BUWD.A.SmC.gi88_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_67.1f73c35c.2d252297_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit but he's just broken his arm goodness.....tonite at a few mins. to 12:00 i was shelping and cleaning serving trays (for food).....schmegma was rolling down my pants, so kold and kalammy....."i better get serious about dis loopin stuff" i thought.....it's my pathway to freedom.....yikes!.....HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL.....i was cleanin trays last year and this year too!.....it can only get better!.....this i do believe!....:).....michael --part1_67.1f73c35c.2d252297_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable but he'= s just broken his arm

goodness.....tonite at a few mins. to 12:00 i was shelping and cleaning serv= ing trays (for food).....schmegma was rolling down my pants, so kold and kal= ammy....."i better get serious about dis loopin stuff" i thought.....it's my= pathway to freedom.....yikes!.....HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL.....i was cleanin tray= s last year and this year too!.....it can only get better!.....this i do bel= ieve!....:).....michael
--part1_67.1f73c35c.2d252297_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 1 03:59:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i018rf117705; Thu, 1 Jan 2004 03:53:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 03:53:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Playing the Pitch of the DD-20 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 00:53:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcPPfqM8ETznw6nfSpGH0dJAsGGDqwAxXStQ In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey-- Went to my local Guitar Center to check this box out--AFAIK, changing the delay time creates undesirable artifacts. So I didn't buy it . . . Oh well, maybe something at the NAMM show will be better. HNY, Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 1 10:02:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i01Ex1120365; Thu, 1 Jan 2004 09:59:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 09:59:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <47DF2C2D-3C6B-11D8-B39B-000A95C5856C@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: Computer Recording Solutions Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 10:00:47 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-ELNK-Trace: d0a6d72aa85685aa51182eff55973efb0a9da525759e265447b97788b1e68eec288dab4d6918d0d3bd9aa8b00e01cd47350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Picked up a iBook G4 (12") a few months ago. Running Peak, Deck, TRacks, various VST (live and post) plug-ins. No problems recording stereo (either live/direct or mixing down from Akai DPS12) via USB although I plan on upgrading to Firewire recording interface - good reliable bang for the buck. On Dec 31, 2003, at 7:43 PM, Matthew Wiley wrote: > I have asked a few, but i need some advice. Laptop/Tower Recording > Solution. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 1 13:06:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i01I4fL07082; Thu, 1 Jan 2004 13:04:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 13:04:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: "'Looper's Delight'" Subject: Yamaha UD Stomp--Can it Pitch shift without glitches? Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 10:04:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcPQkbXNlHqektuGSWCWwVlPam4V3A== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi again-- I just snagged one of these on eBay--wonder if it allows you to change the pitch of a sample without garbling the audio quality? Probably not, but when I saw Holdsworth last year, he was using this unit to great effect (haha)--in fact he was using two of 'em. Anyone here currently using one of these? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 1 17:08:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i01LsbO08171; Thu, 1 Jan 2004 16:54:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 16:54:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <7e.443f1e69.2d25f111@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 16:54:25 EST Subject: Maniac Music Introduces Model C Electro-Acoustic sustainer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7e.443f1e69.2d25f111_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_7e.443f1e69.2d25f111_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Click here: Harmony Central=AE: Maniac Music Introduces Model C=20 Electro-Acoustic Sustainer.....of course this will only be used to loop!=20 --part1_7e.443f1e69.2d25f111_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Clic= k here: Harmony Central=AE: Maniac Music Introduces Model C Electro-Acoustic= Sustainer.....of course this will only be used to loop! --part1_7e.443f1e69.2d25f111_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 1 17:23:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i01M67s09544; Thu, 1 Jan 2004 17:06:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 17:06:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <81.267e675.2d25f3c6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 17:05:58 EST Subject: Check out Creative Looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_81.267e675.2d25f3c6_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: <0dQqRB.A.-UC.PnJ9_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_81.267e675.2d25f3c6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: Creative Looping --part1_81.267e675.2d25f3c6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Click here:=20= Creative Looping --part1_81.267e675.2d25f3c6_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 1 17:55:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i01Mgq614857; Thu, 1 Jan 2004 17:42:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 17:42:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <3e.399386a1.2d25fc61@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 17:42:41 EST Subject: Re: Check out Creative Looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <9EfwZB.A.AoD.sJK9_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 1/1/04 2:06:29 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: << Click here: Creative Looping >> Hi That is not an active link for me, nothing to click on, neither was the sustainer in your other post. Maybe LD or AOL strips out the link. Could you provide the url for cut/paste? Thanks BobC www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 1 18:08:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i01MqYL16040; Thu, 1 Jan 2004 17:52:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 17:52:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: Check out Creative Looping Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 14:52:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcPQuKi8ypoophA8SnOHpG8wbqVW+AAASv6Q X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <3e.399386a1.2d25fc61@aol.com> Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://emusician.com/ar/emusic_creative_looping/index.htm http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/2004/Sustainiac-Model-C.html Enjoy! Gary -----Original Message----- From: Aptrev@aol.com [mailto:Aptrev@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 2:43 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Check out Creative Looping In a message dated 1/1/04 2:06:29 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: << Click here: Creative Looping >> Hi That is not an active link for me, nothing to click on, neither was the sustainer in your other post. Maybe LD or AOL strips out the link. Could you provide the url for cut/paste? Thanks BobC www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 1 18:54:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i01NojN24508; Thu, 1 Jan 2004 18:50:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 18:50:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Yamaha UD Stomp--$200 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 15:50:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcPQkbXNlHqektuGSWCWwVlPam4V3AAMEDQg In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey-- Musician's Friend has 'em at closeout! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 1 19:19:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i020GnN29067; Thu, 1 Jan 2004 19:16:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 19:16:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FF4B877.3040702@biink.com> Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 19:16:55 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Yamaha UD Stomp--$200 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Relay wrote: > Hey-- > Musician's Friend has 'em at closeout! > Gary I know they're not my friend, yet I think I'd like to grab one. Any thoughts on these suckers? Al Holdsworth programed some pre-sets. Eh?ny one? It might make a cool pre-looping device. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 1 19:25:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i020Lei29827; Thu, 1 Jan 2004 19:21:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 19:21:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FF4B99B.2010506@biink.com> Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 19:21:47 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Yamaha UD Stomp--$200 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Relay wrote: >Hey-- >Musician's Friend has 'em at closeout! >Gary > These things listed for $599??? No wonder they couldn't sell any of the F!^&^%$ things. WTF..... Getting closer to buying one... -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 1 19:29:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i020D3N28531; Thu, 1 Jan 2004 19:13:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 19:13:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <031401c3d0c5$320e2b70$0701a8c0@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: References: <200401010021.i010LL328546@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: curious what the range is for used Jammans Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 16:13:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <1NuT4D.A.q9G.PeL9_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm curious if anyone knows what the range is for used Jammans on places like E-bay. Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 1 19:40:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i020TqU31172; Thu, 1 Jan 2004 19:29:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 19:29:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FF4BB87.8000002@biink.com> Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 19:29:59 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Yamaha UD Stomp--$200 References: <3FF4B99B.2010506@biink.com> In-Reply-To: <3FF4B99B.2010506@biink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Yamaha/UD_Stomp-01.html Getting closer to buying one, have to sleep on it... -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 1 19:41:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i020OK730290; Thu, 1 Jan 2004 19:24:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 19:24:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c3d0c6$c159dda0$6480bf3f@DDBGMC21> From: "mrT" To: References: <200401010021.i010LL328546@hemlock.violacea.com> <031401c3d0c5$320e2b70$0701a8c0@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: curious what the range is for used Jammans Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 19:24:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <4DMiV.A.MZH.0oL9_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I bought mine in for $385 in 1994 Installed max memory Sold it in 2000 for $600 I hear they've come down some ----- Original Message ----- > I'm curious if anyone knows what the range is for used Jammans > on places like E-bay. > > Rick > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 1 19:57:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i020bhO32758; Thu, 1 Jan 2004 19:37:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 19:37:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 19:39:57 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] curious what the range is for used Jammans In-Reply-To: <031401c3d0c5$320e2b70$0701a8c0@DAYGLOGREEN> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 1 Jan 2004, loop.pool wrote: > I'm curious if anyone knows what the range is for used Jammans > on places like E-bay. I searched on ebay for "lexicon jamman" and then searched for Completed Items. There's 9 in the last month, with closing prices ranging from $305 to $560. Most commonly $450 to $500. Hope this helps. Steve Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 1 23:20:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i024Ee829140; Thu, 1 Jan 2004 23:14:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 23:14:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20040101201111.057b9dd8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 20:14:43 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Question: Problem or Confusion? In-Reply-To: <00aa01c3d00f$13679c30$0380bf3f@DDBGMC21> References: <00aa01c3d00f$13679c30$0380bf3f@DDBGMC21> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:29 PM 12/31/2003, mrT wrote: >In expert mode with volume pedal in feedback jack. > >Example situation: I would record a 1 second loop of an 'A' >Then I would overdub a C# preparing to solo over this. > >The book says that the pedal controls feedback of playing >while the knob controls feedback of overdub. the feedback setting automatically switches between the two depending on which state you are in. So you might have 100% feedback while not in Overdub and 70% feedback while overdub is on, or whatever. >I take this to mean that if I 'Toe-up' some on the pedal, >that my playing licks will fade/decay while the overdub material >keeps going at 100%. no, feedback affects everything in the loop. >But what happens is that the looped stuff fades away. > >Is this problem or just confusion. confusion. > What I want is to have static layers going contiuously >while my playing licks repeat a few times then fade. >Do I need a 2nd EDP ? yes. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 2 04:05:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0290nq29984; Fri, 2 Jan 2004 04:00:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 04:00:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004601c3d110$11f5a8e0$70e1bc3f@hppav> From: "Rick Williamson" To: References: <200401010021.i010LL328546@hemlock.violacea.com> <031401c3d0c5$320e2b70$0701a8c0@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: curious what the range is for used Jammans Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 03:09:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Another place to check is over here. http://www.prepal.com/welcome.htm > I'm curious if anyone knows what the range is for used Jammans > on places like E-bay. > > Rick > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 2 04:51:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i029lx102199; Fri, 2 Jan 2004 04:47:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 04:47:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040102094752.13726.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 01:47:52 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: sustainer system To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7e.443f1e69.2d25f111@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there, i am thinking of installing a sustainer system into my Fender strat but don´t know how much it would affect the guitars original sound and tone.Anybody outhere experienced? thanx Louie --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > Click here: Harmony Central®: Maniac Music > Introduces Model C > Electro-Acoustic Sustainer.....of course this will > only be used to loop! > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 2 05:57:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i02AsaW08141; Fri, 2 Jan 2004 05:54:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 05:54:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <1ea.168be43a.2d26a7e0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 05:54:24 EST Subject: RE: Question: Problem or Confusion? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Other modes have their weirdness with pedal in feedback jack. thank you :-) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 2 06:22:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i02BJp610789; Fri, 2 Jan 2004 06:19:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 06:19:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005a01c3d122$58c8be30$0701a8c0@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: References: <200401020951.i029pcJ02661@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: what a great tip, Rick........prepal rocks Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 02:19:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <4rh1l.A.eoC.XPV9_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, Rick, that PrePal site is just an awesome resource. I just spent 20 minutes going through all of my wish list for vintage gear. The fact that they link you to e-bay and sonic state is equally awesome. I see that it has a copyright bt AnalogX which is an awesome freeware site with some killer DX plugins for Windows. Thanks a lot for the tip. I hope your looping is coming along well. yours, Rick > Another place to check is over here. > http://www.prepal.com/welcome.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 2 07:16:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i02CFnp16121; Fri, 2 Jan 2004 07:15:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 07:15:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <29735786.1073045742430.JavaMail.www@wwinf0603> From: francois Reply-To: francois.kobe@wanadoo.fr To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Power supply for Echoplex Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5443_12838979.1073045742426" Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 13:15:42 +0100 (CET) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_Part_5443_12838979.1073045742426 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wish to buy Echoplex DIGITAL Pro Plus. In France, the echoplex is not imported I must either buy in Germany or in the USA. Is the price in the USA interesting, however the power supply of the echoplex is it compatible with the format 220V used in Europe? There is you a problem of conversion 50-60hz? Happy New Year ------=_Part_5443_12838979.1073045742426 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I wish to buy Echoplex DIGITAL Pro Plus. In France, the echoplex is not imported I must either buy in Germany or in the USA.

Is the price in the USA interesting, however the power supply of the echoplex is it compatible with the format 220V used in Europe?

There is you a problem of conversion 50-60hz?

Happy New Year

 

------=_Part_5443_12838979.1073045742426-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 2 10:36:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i02FVES04893; Fri, 2 Jan 2004 10:31:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 10:31:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Lee Barnes" To: Subject: RE: Yamaha UD Stomp--$200 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 10:29:26 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <_LbiWB.A.WMB.C7Y9_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Relay and Dave, Thanks a bunch for posting this! Have been waffling for a bit of time over a better set of delay pedals, and this should definitely do the trick! Hope that these will hold up better than the DL-4 that I was borrowing from time to time. Lee -----Original Message----- From: Relay [mailto:relaydelayband@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 6:51 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Yamaha UD Stomp--$200 Hey-- Musician's Friend has 'em at closeout! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 2 11:21:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i02GIKv09318; Fri, 2 Jan 2004 11:18:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 11:18:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c3d14b$9a8892e0$743c5cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #354 for January 1, 2004 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 11:14:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3D121.A4FEE500" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3D121.A4FEE500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each = Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA 93.9 FM in = Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and = webcasting on the internet. Show #354 January 1, 2003 RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on Ian Boddy, who has been on = the European electronica scene since the '70s. The Featured CD at Midnight = was "Jodrell Bank Concerts" with Markus Reuter on the Space for Music label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Forbidden Planet" by Louis and Bebe = Barron on Planet Records/MGM. Ian Boddy - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/focus04.html#jan PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 11:00 pm Louis and Bebe Barron The Monster Pursues - Forbidden Planet = (Planet Morbius is Overcome Records/MGM) Under the Dome Altair IV Bellerophon (Neu = Harmony) Under the Dome Solar Gravity Bellerophon (Neu = Harmony) Ministry of Inside Heatseeker Everlasting Moment = (Synkronos) Things VA [Tony Gerber and Red Sun ? (Slo Bor Media) Rob Jenkins] Kent Sparling with City Lotus Leaf Spring (Purling) Jeffrey Foster Sylken This Sonorous Apparition PiNG (Sylken Music) 12:00 am I. Boddy and M. Reuter Binary Part One Jodrell Bank Concerts = (SFM) I. Boddy and M. Reuter Binary Part Two Jodrell Bank Concerts = (SFM) I. Boddy and M. Reuter NoSpace Jodrell Bank Concerts = (SFM) 1:00 am * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) ++ =3D Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Ian Boddy. = The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Aurora" on the DiN label. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "L'Ethique" by Richard Pinhas on = the Pulse label. Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, = Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in = Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click = LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3D121.A4FEE500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs = each=20 Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA = 93.9 FM in=20 Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, = and=20 webcasting on
the internet.
 
            =    =20     Show #354       =20             January 1, = 2003
 
RECAP:
On this show, I started a month-long focus on Ian Boddy, = who has=20 been on the
European electronica scene since the '70s.  The = Featured CD=20 at Midnight was
"Jodrell Bank Concerts" with Markus Reuter on the = Space for=20 Music label.
 
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Forbidden Planet" by Louis and = Bebe=20 Barron
on Planet Records/MGM.
 
Ian Boddy - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/focus04.html#jan
=
 

PLAYLIST:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
11:00 pm
Louis and Bebe Barron  =20 The Monster Pursues -    Forbidden Planet=20 (Planet
          &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;  =20 Morbius is Overcome      Records/MGM)
Under = the=20 Dome          Altair=20 IV            = ;   =20 Bellerophon (Neu Harmony)
Under the=20 Dome          Solar=20 Gravity           = =20 Bellerophon (Neu Harmony)
Ministry of = Inside     =20 Heatseeker          &nb= sp;   =20 Everlasting Moment (Synkronos)
  Things
VA [Tony Gerber=20 and     Red=20 Sun           &nbs= p;     =20 ? (Slo Bor Media)
  Rob Jenkins]
Kent Sparling=20 with      City=20 Lotus           &n= bsp;  =20 Leaf Spring (Purling)
  Jeffrey=20 Foster
Sylken         &nb= sp;       =20 This Sonorous Apparition PiNG (Sylken Music)
 
12:00 am
I. Boddy and M. Reuter  Binary Part=20 One          Jodrell Bank = Concerts=20 (SFM)
I. Boddy and M. Reuter  Binary Part=20 Two          Jodrell Bank = Concerts=20 (SFM)
I. Boddy and M. Reuter =20 NoSpace           =       =20 Jodrell Bank Concerts (SFM)
 
1:00 am
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
++ = =3D Advance CDR=20 from Artist
 

NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long = focus on=20 Ian Boddy.  The
Featured CD at Midnight will be "Aurora" on the = DiN=20 label.
 
The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "L'Ethique" by Richard Pinhas = on=20 the
Pulse label.
 
Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient,  and space music show,  = Thursdays=20 at 11
pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and = 93.9 FM in=20 Easton
and Phillipsburg.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org  and click =20 LISTEN
EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic<= /A>
To=20 subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!]=20 at
http://groups.yahoo.co= m/group/emusic-wdiy
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3D121.A4FEE500-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 2 13:18:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i02IAtc21732; Fri, 2 Jan 2004 13:10:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 13:10:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: www.Archive.org/audio -- Music Sharing Sites? Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 13:10:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3D15B.C25F9920" Resent-Message-ID: <-0FX2B.A.cTF.uQb9_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3D15B.C25F9920 Content-Type: text/plain There's some great Howie Day Archived too, particularly this one: http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=1427 DM _____ From: DAJA300@aol.com [mailto:DAJA300@aol.com] Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 2:11 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: www.Archive.org/audio -- Music Sharing Sites? Can't beat cable. 3 minutes to download 60mb. Glory! Dave >> Well for you non-Dial-up people, it rules. -DM << ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3D15B.C25F9920 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There's = some great Howie=20 Day Archived too, particularly this one:
 
htt= p://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=3D1427
 
DM


From: DAJA300@aol.com = [mailto:DAJA300@aol.com]=20
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 2:11 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 www.Archive.org/audio -- Music Sharing Sites?

Can't beat cable. 3 minutes to download 60mb. Glory!
 
Dave
 
>>=20

 Well for you non-Dial-up people, it rules.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C3D15B.C25F9920-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 2 14:01:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i02IvXX27381; Fri, 2 Jan 2004 13:57:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 13:57:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20040102105620.04036980@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 10:57:39 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Power supply for Echoplex In-Reply-To: <29735786.1073045742430.JavaMail.www@wwinf0603> References: <29735786.1073045742430.JavaMail.www@wwinf0603> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com there is a switch in the back to convert to European power standards. kim At 04:15 AM 1/2/2004, francois wrote: >I wish to buy Echoplex DIGITAL Pro Plus. In France, the echoplex is not >imported I must either buy in Germany or in the USA. > >Is the price in the USA interesting, however the power supply of the >echoplex is it compatible with the format 220V used in Europe? > >There is you a problem of conversion 50-60hz? ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 2 19:22:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i030L0w18507; Fri, 2 Jan 2004 19:21:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 19:21:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c3d191$428b62c0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Planet Of The Loops Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 19:33:51 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday January 6th - Planet Of The Loops Andrew Aldridge's bi-monthly series of improv/looping events launches the The Ambient Ping's 2004 schedule into orbit... For this show, Andrew is bringing back his improv-groove trio Sterling Moss, who will be performing a particularly ambient evening (for them!) at the Ping after the release of their self-titled debut studio album last fall (which will be available for sale at the *ping things* table). More info on Planet Of The Loops and spaced groove-meisters Sterling Moss at: www.geocities.com/energymadeaudible Between Sets CD - "PiNG" by Sylken Sylken's "Illusions Of Light" was one of the finest ambient releases of 2002 and then their live recording "PiNG" moved into darker cinematic territory (sounding like "the desires and dreams of a Film Noir-ish Los Angeles on rainy night in the Orion Nebula") and made its mark as one of the outstanding ambient/space music CDs of 2003. http://www.sylken.ca . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday January 13th - DJ Synapse Between Sets CD - "Lost And Found" (disc 2) by V/A . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "A Violent Narcotic" by Jute Combining haunting vocal stylings with tension driven instrumentation, "A Violent Narcotic" by Jute is an excellent release sure to appeal to fans of both darkwave and trip hop. "Southern Exposure" opens the disc with a sense of claustrophobia and paranoia, walking a thin line between safety & where. "Ephemeral" follows, a languid drum beat keeping unsteady time with the vocals, another study in the poetry of the lost. Jump ahead to "Advent of Zeto", where a chorus of bells give way to a monstrous wall of percussion, where vocals stretch & melt into eachother in a glorious wave of sound. Hypnotic & entrancing, a sense of spiraling psychedelica. Track nine "Invertebrate" creates an air of fear & suspense, unresolved tension driving the piece. Truly marvelous in a dark and confining way. I could go on longer, but of course every moment I spend talking about it is a moment less that you have to experience it yourself. "A Violent Narcotic" by Jute has proven to be one of my favorite albums of the last few months, and I'm sure that many of you who's tastes run towards the darker side of things will feel the same way. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 2 20:31:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i031UBs30427; Fri, 2 Jan 2004 20:30:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 20:30:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 20:31:05 -0500 From: Greg Waltzer Subject: Fringe Element at the Cosmic Coffeehouse in NJ To: beyond_em@yahoogroups.com, spacemusic@yahoogroups.com, the_ambient_way@yahoogroups.com, ambient@hyperreal.org, oddmusic@yahoogroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, philly_ambient@phobos.serve.com Message-id: <3FF61B59.1050203@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.3.1) Gecko/20030425 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com January 10, 2004 The Cosmic Coffeehouse music series in Crosswicks NJ presents Fringe Element, performing spontaneous organic electronic concoctions. Featuring Michael Victor, Jose Murcia, James Lacey and Greg Waltzer. http://.fringe-element.com http://.cosmiccoffeehouse.org This edition of the Cosmic Coffeehouse is the third in a series of musical gatherings at the Crosswicks Community House. Original electronic space music will be performed "in the round" by the quartet. The Crosswicks Community House will be transformed into an intimate venue to showcase these artists and their otherworldly musical visions. Settle in at a table for coffee, conversation and desserts, and open your eyes and ears to the lush soundscapes and spacey multimedia visuals. $10 admission at the door supports the Crosswicks Community Association. Doors open at 7pm, and the performance starts at 8pm. No children under 16 years old will be admitted. More "cosmic" evenings are already in the works. The next scheduled event is on Saturday, March 13th, 2004, featuring The Ministry of Inside Things and SNIB. Future coffeehouse events may include poetry readings, storytellers, a local talent showcase, acoustic singer/songwriters, and jazz. If you are interested in performing at any of these shows, or have any questions about the series, contact Ken Palmer at 609-298-1877, or at brainstatik@aol.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 3 09:00:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i03DxOA28964; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 08:59:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 08:59:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c3d201$6555fc00$79bdfea9@C030192> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D8yvind_Ruud?= To: Subject: Loop III and MIDI? Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 14:56:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3D209.C6E37580" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3D209.C6E37580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I'm Aasmund Ruud from Norway. This is my first post here at Looper's = Delight. I'm about to purchase an Echoplex; meanwhile I'm borrowing one from a = friend of mine. It has Loop III ver.5 in it. I've seen on this site a Midi implementation spread sheet for the Loop = IV, and I wonder if the newest software differ from the old one in that = respect? I use a Ground Control which sends CC's to the Echoplex that's set to = source 36; when I use the mentioned spread sheet as a reference to assign the = Reverse command, I get nothing.=20 Any help would be appreciated ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3D209.C6E37580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, I'm Aasmund Ruud from Norway. This = is my first=20 post here at Looper's Delight.
I'm about to purchase an Echoplex; = meanwhile I'm=20 borrowing one from a friend of mine. It has Loop III ver.5 in = it.
I've seen on this site a Midi = implementation spread=20 sheet for the Loop IV, and I wonder if the newest software differ from = the old=20 one in that respect?
I use a Ground Control which sends CC's = to the=20 Echoplex that's set to source 36;
when I use the mentioned spread = sheet as=20 a reference to assign the Reverse command, I get nothing.=20
Any help would be=20 appreciated
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3D209.C6E37580-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 3 09:11:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i03E8AQ30955; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 09:08:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 09:08:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 15:24:42 +0100 Subject: repeater wanted From: "C.Spering" To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'm looking for an electrix repeater. If anyone of you have one for sale please email me. Best wishes for 2004. /Christian Spering From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 3 09:29:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i03EQet02688; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 09:26:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 09:26:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: Loop III and MIDI? Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 06:26:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcPSAdNm9T92HA9XQt+C5VK03q/SVAAAqVIg In-Reply-To: <000a01c3d201$6555fc00$79bdfea9@C030192> Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Original: Hi, I'm Aasmund Ruud from Norway. This is my first post here at Looper's Delight. I'm about to purchase an Echoplex; meanwhile I'm borrowing one from a friend of mine. It has Loop III ver.5 in it. I've seen on this site a Midi implementation spread sheet for the Loop IV, and I wonder if the newest software differ from the old one in that respect? I use a Ground Control which sends CC's to the Echoplex that's set to source 36; when I use the mentioned spread sheet as a reference to assign the Reverse command, I get nothing. Any help would be appreciated -----> Howdy and welcome! The old software doesn't have half of the commands that are available to you with Loop III. I recommend getting it as soon as you can. In the meanwhile, tho, here is how you can get reverse to work for you. Set Insert to Reverse using the parameter button on the face of the unit, then send CC 41 (36+5, just like in the new software); that should do it for you. If you buy the EDP+, it has Loop IV already installed. Enjoy! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 3 10:36:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i03FWVc12684; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 10:32:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 10:32:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 16:32:26 +0100 Subject: Re: what a great tip, Rick........prepal rocks From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005a01c3d122$58c8be30$0701a8c0@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_UAPE.A.DGD.PCu9_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey - what is this? Talking to yerself, Rick? ;-D On 04-01-02 11.19, "loop.pool" wrote: > Wow, Rick, that PrePal site is just an awesome resource. I just spent 20 > minutes going through all of my wish list for vintage gear. > The fact that they link you to e-bay and sonic state is equally awesome. > > I see that it has a copyright bt AnalogX which is an awesome freeware site > with some killer DX plugins for Windows. > > Thanks a lot for the tip. I hope your looping is coming along well. > > yours, Rick > > > > >> Another place to check is over here. >> http://www.prepal.com/welcome.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 3 10:57:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i03Ft9K17768; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 10:55:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 10:55:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004801c3d211$f6b83450$b6705643@elfmaster> From: "RemyC" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: the invisible band links page Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 10:55:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <57hz1B.A.iVE.dXu9_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.theinvisibleband.mcmail.com/mustech.html amazin' collection of very cool music tech links... I don't see Loopers though. Hum... any volunteers? Remy C. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 3 12:28:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i03HPXU07845; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 12:25:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 12:25:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FF6FB19.50207@biink.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 12:25:45 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Yamaha UD Stomp--$200 References: <3FF4B99B.2010506@biink.com> <3FF4BB87.8000002@biink.com> In-Reply-To: <3FF4BB87.8000002@biink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com *Dimensions* (WxHxD) 280 x 70 x 184mm (11 x 2-3/4" x 7-1/4") ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Weight* 2.2kg (4lbs 14oz) Wow: big and heavy! Still thinkin' about getting one of these. I wonder if any stores in NJ carry these..... -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 3 12:35:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i03HY7a10597; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 12:34:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 12:34:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FF6FD1A.1060908@biink.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 12:34:18 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Yamaha UD Stomp--$200 References: <3FF4B99B.2010506@biink.com> <3FF4BB87.8000002@biink.com> <3FF6FB19.50207@biink.com> In-Reply-To: <3FF6FB19.50207@biink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David Beardsley wrote: > Still thinkin' about getting one of these. I wonder if any stores in NJ > carry these..... Never mind....there's a store locator on the Yamaha site. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 3 13:10:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i03I6Di19514; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 13:06:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 13:06:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040103180606.93558.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 10:06:06 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Loop III and MIDI? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000a01c3d201$6555fc00$79bdfea9@C030192> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Aasmund, As far as i know the Ground Control doesn´t work with the EDP i had one as well and got rid of it get a Behringer fcb1010 and you will be a lot luckier! Louie --- Řyvind_Ruud wrote: > Hi, I'm Aasmund Ruud from Norway. This is my first > post here at Looper's Delight. > I'm about to purchase an Echoplex; meanwhile I'm > borrowing one from a friend of mine. It has Loop III > ver.5 in it. > I've seen on this site a Midi implementation spread > sheet for the Loop IV, and I wonder if the newest > software differ from the old one in that respect? > I use a Ground Control which sends CC's to the > Echoplex that's set to source 36; > when I use the mentioned spread sheet as a reference > to assign the Reverse command, I get nothing. > Any help would be appreciated > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 3 13:55:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i03IpSS30991; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 13:51:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 13:51:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: Loop III and MIDI? Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 13:51:25 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Loop III and MIDI? Thread-Index: AcPSJE+xr0XWqnkTQqizewsRMN4j0QABfHYQ From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2004 18:51:25.0262 (UTC) FILETIME=[968A6EE0:01C3D22A] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i03IpRk30968 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm finding that a little hard to believe. I haven't used a Ground Control but, while shopping for a MIDI controller, I went through the manuals for just about everything including the latest Ground Control Pro. It looks to me like you can get any foot controller to work with the EDP as long as you can figure out how to program it (and as long as the unit will let you program it). The only unit I saw where this wouldn't be possible was the Boss FC-50. I use an All Access and a Roland FC-200 and both work with the EDP quite nicely. For good timing on recording loops though, I like the softer buttons (FC-200, FCB1010, etc) over the harder click buttons (All Access, Ground Control Pro). As far as the original question goes ... there is a TON more MIDI support in Loop IV than there was in Loop III. Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > > Hi Aasmund, > As far as i know the Ground Control doesn´t work with > the EDP i had one as well and got rid of it > get a Behringer fcb1010 and you will be a lot luckier! > Louie > > --- Řyvind_Ruud wrote: > > Hi, I'm Aasmund Ruud from Norway. This is my first > > post here at Looper's Delight. > > I'm about to purchase an Echoplex; meanwhile I'm > > borrowing one from a friend of mine. It has Loop III > > ver.5 in it. > > I've seen on this site a Midi implementation spread > > sheet for the Loop IV, and I wonder if the newest > > software differ from the old one in that respect? > > I use a Ground Control which sends CC's to the > > Echoplex that's set to source 36; > > when I use the mentioned spread sheet as a reference > > to assign the Reverse command, I get nothing. > > Any help would be appreciated From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 3 14:02:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i03IrG431508; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 13:53:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 13:53:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: EDP function recommendation (or question) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 13:53:13 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: EDP function recommendation (or question) Thread-Index: AcPP5eH1Wlb1Ud02SbyfNxydHj+vrACRQE2g From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2004 18:53:14.0150 (UTC) FILETIME=[D7716C60:01C3D22A] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i03IrFk31482 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > You have the whole day off tomorrow. after your hangover clears up, get out > the manual. Sit with it. Read the switchquantize section. Turn off the > loopcopy parameter. Push buttons. have fun! > > kim And of course you were right (as if there was ever any doubt). You'd think I would have learned by now to sit down and RTFM. That's why I love this device. Thanks again Kim. Glenn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 3 14:07:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i03J5ba03526; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 14:05:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 14:05:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 11:13:39 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: RE: sustainer system Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Luis, I'm sure both Ted K and Miko B who own these type of devices can give you more detail, but it has been my experience that It won't have any effect on the sound of your guitar, with the exception that many of these systems require you to replace a neck pickup with the sustainer pickup. If you love that throaty sound of a strat neck pickup you might have to forgoe that sound for the sustainer. If I'm not mistaken, I think some of sustainers also respond like conventional pickups, but I know most people are pretty picky about sound and may not like the sound of the sustainer as pickup. I also know that with a little routing you could put your pickup and the sustainer pickup side by side in the neck cavity, thereby having your cake, and eating it too. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 3 15:21:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i03KHtb18852; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 15:17:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 15:17:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040103201749.5427.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 12:17:49 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: sustainer system To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Bill, Thanx yes i just bought a fernandes elite pro a few months ago in ebay but 2 things bother me; the meaty strat sound of the neck pickup doesnt come through and the nightmarish Floyd Rose on it.This one has to be one of the worst inventions for a tremolo Guitarrist changing strings on stage is an experience you won´t forget! I bought it really cheap so i am either going to look for a more practical tremolo system or take the sustainer and put it in my strat...or just resell it and forget about it! But I must admit that it has a beautiful color and a really cool retro look,the look and feel are the things that atracted me in the first place (just like a girl you know... until you live with her;-) Cheers Luis --- "William R. Walker," wrote: > Hi Luis, I'm sure both Ted K and Miko B who own > these type of devices can > give you more detail, but it has been my experience > that It won't have any > effect on the sound of your guitar, with the > exception that many of these > systems require you to replace a neck pickup with > the sustainer pickup. If > you love that throaty sound of a strat neck pickup > you might have to forgoe > that sound for the sustainer. If I'm not mistaken, I > think some of > sustainers also respond like conventional pickups, > but I know most people > are pretty picky about sound and may not like the > sound of the sustainer as > pickup. I also know that with a little routing you > could put your pickup > and the sustainer pickup side by side in the neck > cavity, thereby having > your cake, and eating it too. > Bill > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 3 15:54:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i03KpkV28248; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 15:51:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 15:51:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040103205140.88893.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 12:51:40 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Ground control and EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sure you can use the GC to send simple program changes and CCs, but the EDP requires (as far as i know) a controller that will send Note ons even to program the basic functions The fcb 1010 works great with the EDP plus you have 2 exp pedals,all of this for a lot less money! cheers Louie --- Glenn Poorman wrote: > I'm finding that a little hard to believe. I haven't > used > a Ground Control but, while shopping for a MIDI > controller, > I went through the manuals for just about everything > including > the latest Ground Control Pro. It looks to me like > you can > get any foot controller to work with the EDP as long > as you > can figure out how to program it (and as long as the > unit > will let you program it). The only unit I saw where > this > wouldn't be possible was the Boss FC-50. I use an > All Access > and a Roland FC-200 and both work with the EDP quite > nicely. > > For good timing on recording loops though, I like > the softer > buttons (FC-200, FCB1010, etc) over the harder click > buttons > (All Access, Ground Control Pro). > > As far as the original question goes ... there is a > TON more > MIDI support in Loop IV than there was in Loop III. > > Glenn > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > > > > Hi Aasmund, > > As far as i know the Ground Control doesn´t work > with > > the EDP i had one as well and got rid of it > > get a Behringer fcb1010 and you will be a lot > luckier! > > Louie > > > > --- Řyvind_Ruud wrote: > > > Hi, I'm Aasmund Ruud from Norway. This is my > first > > > post here at Looper's Delight. > > > I'm about to purchase an Echoplex; meanwhile I'm > > > borrowing one from a friend of mine. It has Loop > III > > > ver.5 in it. > > > I've seen on this site a Midi implementation > spread > > > sheet for the Loop IV, and I wonder if the > newest > > > software differ from the old one in that > respect? > > > I use a Ground Control which sends CC's to the > > > Echoplex that's set to source 36; > > > when I use the mentioned spread sheet as a > reference > > > to assign the Reverse command, I get nothing. > > > Any help would be appreciated > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 3 15:58:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i03KrSN28723; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 15:53:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 15:53:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <98.9a1563.2d2885b8@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 15:53:12 EST Subject: Re: sustainer system To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i03KrRk28698 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Luis, Hi there! Since Chilly Bill brought my name into this discussion I figured that I ought to pipe up with some sort of comment or another. Here goes. I have used a Sustainiac sustainer system for nearly 20 years now. BUT it's not one of the in-the-guitar "Stealth" systems. I'm one of those folks who is kinda picky about my tone (believe it or not) and I'm rather fond of the Seymour Duncan "JB" (bridge) and "Jazz" (neck) pickups in my Gibson. So, I still opt for the "acoustical" kind of sustain unit that involves a foot-pedal floor-box and a headstock mounted transducer. This is the old Sustainiac "Model B" unit. I swear by it. I use it all of the time . . . and one of the real beauties is that you can use it on more than just one instrument. I have tried the old Floyd Rose sustainers, the Fernandez sustainers, and the Maniac Music "Stealth" systems and I have never liked them all that much (sorry Alan). They don't make the "Model B" any more but the new "Model C" is the new and improved equivalent. I am planing to buy one of those at NAMM in a couple of weeks just so I have the backup system I've always wanted. They'll be at booth# 5598. If you have a way of getting to the NAMM show in Anaheim stop by and say hello to Alan Hoover and get a demo of both of his "Stealth" and acoustic "Model B" systems for comparison. I have no "endorsement deal" with Alan (I wish I did, heheh). But I have used his invention for a long time and have come to consider it an essential part of what I do with a guitar. His stuff is dependable and his service and advice is trustworthy. What more can I say. You can find more info online at: http://www.sustainiac.com/model-b.htm Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian In a message dated 1/3/04 11:07:06 AM, chillyb@cruzio.com writes: >Hi Luis, I'm sure both Ted K and Miko B who own these type of devices >can give you more detail, but it has been my experience that It won't >have any effect on the sound of your guitar, with the exception that >many of these systems require you to replace a neck pickup with the >sustainer pickup. If you love that throaty sound of a strat neck pickup >you might have to forgoe that sound for the sustainer. If I'm not >mistaken, I think some of sustainers also respond like conventional >pickups, but I know most people are pretty picky about sound and >may not like the sound of the sustainer as pickup. I also know that >with a little routing you could put your pickup and the sustainer pickup >side by side in the neck cavity, thereby having your cake, and eating >it too. http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 3 16:12:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i03L9Ow02399; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 16:09:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 16:09:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20040103130155.04abbb48@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 13:09:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Loop III and MIDI? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:51 AM 1/3/2004, Glenn Poorman wrote: >I'm finding that a little hard to believe. I haven't used >a Ground Control but, while shopping for a MIDI controller, >I went through the manuals for just about everything including >the latest Ground Control Pro. It looks to me like you can >get any foot controller to work with the EDP as long as you >can figure out how to program it (and as long as the unit >will let you program it). No. The Ground Control pedal is quite limited actually. The "pro" version isn't much better. They only implement a few midi functions, and it is not enough to control the echoplex. The vast majority of midi pedals out there suck in this fashion. You need a full featured midi pedal, as has been discussed before. These are less common. >The only unit I saw where this >wouldn't be possible was the Boss FC-50. I use an All Access >and a Roland FC-200 and both work with the EDP quite nicely. the AllAccess is a very good pedal. The FC-200 is also ok and implements all midi functions, though it has it's share or limitations. Both can be used with the Echoplex. Other pedals are the Behringer FCB1010, Digitech PMC-10, Lake-Butler Midigator, and Yamaha MFC-10. Pros and cons of each have been discussed at length in the past. >As far as the original question goes ... there is a TON more >MIDI support in Loop IV than there was in Loop III. that is correct! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 3 16:25:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i03LKgn04652; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 16:20:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 16:20:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: MIDI Pedal Limitations (was: Loop III and MIDI) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 13:20:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040103130155.04abbb48@loopers-delight.com> Thread-Index: AcPSPeOcvYJQqQtaSKisjh6uC1wGOAAALJkw Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I want to chime in again that the Peavey PC1600x turns any "dumb" MIDI pedal into a "smart" one--you can control your EDP big time with this fader equipped button box and send any preset from a box like the MIDI Mouse to do anything (OK, most things) you desire . . . And there's one on eBay now, only $339 with buy it now! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 3 16:32:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i03LQNa05551; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 16:26:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 16:26:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20040103132121.04db4148@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 13:26:30 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Ground control and EDP In-Reply-To: <20040103205140.88893.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040103205140.88893.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:51 PM 1/3/2004, L. Angulo wrote: >Sure you can use the GC to send simple program changes >and CCs, but the EDP requires (as far as i know) a >controller that will send Note ons even to program the >basic functions for many functions you can choose notes or cc. However, for cc you mostly need the button to be able to send one cc value when you press it and another cc value when you release. I don't think the ground control can do this. For triggering loops you need note messages, which the ground control cannot send for some inexplicable reason. >The fcb 1010 works great with the EDP plus you have 2 >exp pedals,all of this for a lot less money! that is true. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 3 16:38:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i03LZev06990; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 16:35:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 16:35:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005c01c3d241$8a788fd0$0601a8c0@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: References: <200401031728.i03HSKV08725@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re_ what a great tip, Rick........prepal rocks Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 13:35:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per wrote: "Hey - what is this? Talking to yerself, Rick? ;-D" No, I was thanking Rick Williams for his tip about that cool site put up by Analog X How is very dark Stockholm, by the way. Chris and I were laughing about going out for pizza late at night while the sun was still shining last summer with you guys and it suddenly occured to me that there probably is not much light right now. Happy New Years to you and the boys!!!! love, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 3 17:25:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i03MIYf17307; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 17:18:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 17:18:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c3d247$2233b1b0$79bdfea9@C030192> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D8yvind_Ruud?= To: References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040103130155.04abbb48@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Loop III and MIDI? Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 23:15:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for your advices, this sure is a looper's delight! I guess I'll dig into the Behringer/ Loop IV combo Aasmund Ruud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 10:09 PM Subject: RE: Loop III and MIDI? > At 10:51 AM 1/3/2004, Glenn Poorman wrote: > >I'm finding that a little hard to believe. I haven't used > >a Ground Control but, while shopping for a MIDI controller, > >I went through the manuals for just about everything including > >the latest Ground Control Pro. It looks to me like you can > >get any foot controller to work with the EDP as long as you > >can figure out how to program it (and as long as the unit > >will let you program it). > > No. The Ground Control pedal is quite limited actually. The "pro" version > isn't much better. They only implement a few midi functions, and it is not > enough to control the echoplex. The vast majority of midi pedals out there > suck in this fashion. You need a full featured midi pedal, as has been > discussed before. These are less common. > > >The only unit I saw where this > >wouldn't be possible was the Boss FC-50. I use an All Access > >and a Roland FC-200 and both work with the EDP quite nicely. > > the AllAccess is a very good pedal. The FC-200 is also ok and implements > all midi functions, though it has it's share or limitations. Both can be > used with the Echoplex. Other pedals are the Behringer FCB1010, Digitech > PMC-10, Lake-Butler Midigator, and Yamaha MFC-10. Pros and cons of each > have been discussed at length in the past. > > >As far as the original question goes ... there is a TON more > >MIDI support in Loop IV than there was in Loop III. > > that is correct! > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 3 17:31:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i03MUti19945; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 17:30:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 17:30:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20040103154714.056cc9d0@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 16:27:25 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: MIDI Pedal Limitations (was: Loop III and MIDI) In-Reply-To: References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040103130155.04abbb48@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:20 PM 1/3/2004, Relay wrote: >I want to chime in again that the Peavey PC1600x turns any "dumb" MIDI pedal >into a "smart" one--you can control your EDP big time with this fader >equipped button box and send any preset from a box like the MIDI Mouse to do >anything (OK, most things) you desire . . . And there's one on eBay now, >only $339 with buy it now! I'll certainly second that(!!!). And if you're patient, you can find the PC1600x for a lot less than $339 even. After taking the advice of others here on the list (thanks to Duncan, Gary, et al) I picked up one on Ebay a few weeks ago for around half that -- ~$160. There's been quite a bit of talk about the FCB1010, and I liked that one a lot, but my problems with it were twofold. My first issue is that I'm tweaking about a half-dozen different modules and needed a single controller that could be reconfigured to switch between separate devices from section-to-section or song-to-song. In this respect, the FCB, as well as many of the other available controllers, are pretty much hardwired to the same MIDI channel without manually re-editing a preset -- not very conducive to tweaking on the fly. If you're dedicating a single foot controller to a single device, you very well may not be subject to this consideration, though. My second problem with the FCB1010 was merely in its size. I wanted a controller that could easily be stuffed into a backpack or the back of a small rack, and the FCB is just too darn long. So far, the optimum solution has been to use the PC1600x with an generic Digitech MC7 pedal (small, cheap, only transmits MIDI program changes) and a couple of simple expression pedals. I can use the MC7 to trigger any of the 16 configurable buttons on the PC1600x, and change the function of the entire footpedal merely by switching patches. The expression pedals can be similarly reprogrammed. Both PC1600x and MC7 are each only about 14-15 inches long, so it's easy to toss them in a bag and go. I probably could get similar results from a Digitech PMC-10, but those are OOP, they're getting somewhat scarce, and I couldn't find one when I had the cash. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 4 02:52:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i047oI904125; Sun, 4 Jan 2004 02:50:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 02:50:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 08:50:05 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sustainer system X-Mailer: Virtual Access Open Source http://www.virtual-access.org/ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <98.9a1563.2d2885b8@aol.com> References: <98.9a1563.2d2885b8@aol.com> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ted, > His stuff is dependable and > his service and advice is trustworthy. What more can I say. I've mailed to info@sustainiac.com a couple of times with a question about the Model C (does the power supply work in Europe? The website only mentions 120V) but I have never received a reply ... -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 4 05:21:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i04AL0R14419; Sun, 4 Jan 2004 05:21:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 05:21:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 11:20:53 +0100 Subject: Re: sustainer system From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-01-04 08.50, "Ian Petersen" wrote: > Ted, > >> His stuff is dependable and >> his service and advice is trustworthy. What more can I say. > > I've mailed to info@sustainiac.com a couple of times with a question > about the Model C (does the power supply work in Europe? The website > only mentions 120V) but I have never received a reply ... I'd like to know about this as well. We're a couple of Swedish guitar players interested in the Sustaniac Model C. -- Best wishes Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 4 11:52:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i04GpVR29245; Sun, 4 Jan 2004 11:51:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 11:51:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <8e.a255f6.2d299e8d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 11:51:25 EST Subject: Re: sustainer system To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i04GpVk29223 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ian, In a message dated 1/3/04 11:52:21 PM, iep@mail.dk writes: >I've mailed to info@sustainiac.com a couple of times with a question >about the Model C (does the power supply work in Europe? The website >only mentions 120V) but I have never received a reply ... I communicate with him from time to time. I'll see what I can do. Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 4 13:50:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i04Io4e27550; Sun, 4 Jan 2004 13:50:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 13:50:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 19:50:02 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sustainer system X-Mailer: Virtual Access Open Source http://www.virtual-access.org/ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <8e.a255f6.2d299e8d@aol.com> References: <8e.a255f6.2d299e8d@aol.com> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: <1dJQdB.A.XuG.cBG-_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ted, > I'll see what I can do. Thanks. It would be shame if he missed a sale just because of an email glitch. -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 5 05:29:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i05AOTW10348; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 05:24:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 05:24:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List \(E-mail\)" Subject: addicted to looping Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 11:27:37 +0100 Message-ID: <000301c3d376$8b44cf10$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: <0dKD-.A.khC.dtT-_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just a short note: Had a session with my "Eclectic Blah" outfit yesterday, where I forgot to bring my DL4 (which I usually carry along). I didn't think I would miss it very much - but while playing, I found I instinctively wanted to create loops all the time. It has become an addiction for me... Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de Clean Trippin' - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 5 09:10:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i05E8XJ08052; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 09:08:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 09:08:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Another EDP functionality question Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 09:08:30 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Another EDP functionality question Thread-Index: AcPTlWVWAebAV7tIQfSAzeF5RtwhLQ== From: "Glenn Poorman" To: "Loopers Delight" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2004 14:08:30.0497 (UTC) FILETIME=[659E5910:01C3D395] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i05E8Wk08026 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Since we've been on a roll ... Is there a way to quantize the overdub function? I have a button on my foot pedal programmed to always to a SUSoverdub and I keep thinking it would be cool if there were a way to quantize this in order to do the Lafosse style quantized glitches but add the glitching to an existing loop as opposed to replacing or substituting into the loop. Glenn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 5 10:33:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i05FSPT19081; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 10:28:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 10:28:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Howie Day Live Looping on Late Night TV? Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 10:28:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3D3A0.8DC79040" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3D3A0.8DC79040 Content-Type: text/plain Not sure if it is the whole band or just him, but Howie Day is appearing on a number of Late Night TV Shows this week: January 6th 2004 - Late Show with Dave Letterman January 7th 2004 - Last Call with Carson Daly You can request tickets from www.1iota.com/1iotaproductions/event.asp?eid=685. January 9th 2004 - Late Night with Conan O'Brien (Re-run) Enjoy! Don M ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3D3A0.8DC79040 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howie Day Live Looping on Late Night TV?

Not sure if it is the whole band or just him, but = Howie Day is appearing on a number of Late Night TV Shows this = week:

January 6th 2004 - Late Show with Dave = Letterman

January 7th 2004 - Last Call with Carson Daly
You can request tickets from = www.1iota.com/1iotaproductions/event.asp?eid=3D685.

January 9th 2004 - Late Night with Conan O'Brien = (Re-run)



Enjoy!

Don M

------_=_NextPart_001_01C3D3A0.8DC79040-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 5 11:02:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i05FviF22729; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 10:57:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 10:57:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.50.182.218] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Oh GOD another MIDI newbie!! Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 12:26:04 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2004 15:09:48.0467 (UTC) FILETIME=[F5DC0830:01C3D39D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know, I know....... Some of you guys must be spitting bullets as each of us one by one fall into buying a midi board, BEFORE we do all the research, but hey, its christmas, please, humor me someone!!! Ok here goes. I got my shiney new FCB1010 for christmas, and I have worked out the basics of how to program it to Record and Overdub, Im having a few hitches with getting the right numbers for insert, undo and multiply, but this dosnt really worry me,Im sure I can work that out by trail and error. The problem is, I bought this board in the hope of doing more then I could already do with my regular 'plex controller. what I want is the following. (oh by the way Im running Loop3 V.5 Is it possible to have one "page" or whatever they call it of "presets" that are as follows: 1.Record (Rounded and Quantised) 2.Overdub (Latch Type) 3.Multiply (Rounded Quantised) 4. Replace (sustained glitch type) 5. Reverse (quantised) 6.Mute (instant non Quantised) 7. Undo 8.Insert (Quantised) 9. Loop1 (Quant Switched) 0(10), Loop2 (Quant Switched) then in the next Page have: 1.Record (Un-Rounded and Un-Quantised) 2.Overdub (Latch Type) 3.Multiply (Un-Rounded Un-Quantised) 4. Replace (sustained glitch type) 5. Reverse (Un-quantised) 6.Mute (instant non Quantised) 7. Undo 8.Insert (Un-Quantised) 9. Loop1 (Un-Quant Switched) 0(10), Loop2 (Un-Quant Switched) Then on page 3 Have the same as the above but with Record AND overdub set to sustain. Plus on all these pages I would like to have Pedal Controller 1control Feedback and 2 control loop volume. this is my dream setup, can it be done: 1:at all 2:with this Midi board 3:with this midiboard but with an upgrade to Loop IV I only need this once and feel that if anyone could take the time to fully explain this and possible post it under something really obvious like EDP , MIDI or whatever, it would be really useful both for my and the other newer loopers who have found it hard to scratch individual snippets of infomation from a mixture of what has been written here, in the manual and in the tutorials. Thanks so much for all your help(s) so far. Hope you all had a great christmas and are looking forward to a fantastic 2004 Phill Wilson _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 5 11:09:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i05G70225174; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 11:07:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 11:07:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040105160654.7944.qmail@web21325.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 08:06:54 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Is there a timing quantizer available? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005801c3c9ca$2b4959b0$0200a8c0@amd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > I'm sure Antares is working on an "Auto-Time" as we speak. But, for now > you're responsible for your own salvation as far as time goes. It's not real time, but I'm told the new version of Sonor has the ability to "quantize" audio tracks. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 5 11:40:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i05GYHJ28470; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 11:34:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 11:34:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-22.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1073320402!6437637 X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.15; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533E19@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: sustainer system Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 16:26:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3D3A8.A1D20D10" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3D3A8.A1D20D10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I've mailed to info@sustainiac.com a couple of times with a question about the Model C (does the power supply work in Europe? The website only mentions 120V) but I have never received a reply ...<< if it's any help, I've seen a sustainiac being used on a guitar in london, uk. myself, I prefer the old-fashioned technique of standing closer to the amp... :-) d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>I've mailed to info@sustainiac.com a couple of times with a question
about the Model C (does the power supply work in Europe? The website
only mentions 120V) but I have never received a reply ...<<

if it's any help, I've seen a sustainiac being used on a guitar in london, uk.
myself, I prefer the old-fashioned technique of standing closer to the amp... :-)

d.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C3D3A8.A1D20D10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 5 12:50:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i05HlC205918; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:47:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:47:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" , "CT-Collective" Subject: hello Jeff Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 18:51:17 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-Seen: false X-ID: rPJ43oZSYe-ZPOCjyTfz3z7KZziu2fhzLhWiIdLtbclcAxSLjJ6lc7@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jeff McLeod, are you there? I tried to write you an email but the "soundandchaos" mailserver seems to be dead, or down. Please mail me offlist. = michael peters = www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 5 13:14:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i05IA5709895; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 13:10:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 13:10:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 19:10:02 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sustainer system X-Mailer: Virtual Access Open Source http://www.virtual-access.org/ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533E19@LON-MAIL07> References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533E19@LON-MAIL07> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Duncan, > I prefer the old-fashioned technique of standing closer to the amp Well, so do I, but I don't think my neighbours do! -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 5 13:21:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i05IICJ10648; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 13:18:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 13:18:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: sustainer system Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 13:18:11 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c3d3b8$471c3520$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Besides which it's no good for your ears ;D -----Original Message----- From: Ian Petersen [mailto:iep@mail.dk] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 1:10 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sustainer system Duncan, > I prefer the old-fashioned technique of standing closer to the amp Well, so do I, but I don't think my neighbours do! -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 5 15:19:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i05KCQ328433; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:12:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:12:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1610.172.160.232.103.1073333546.squirrel@172.160.232.103> In-Reply-To: <000401c3d3b8$471c3520$0200a8c0@akadev.com> References: <000401c3d3b8$471c3520$0200a8c0@akadev.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 14:12:26 -0600 (CST) Subject: RE: sustainer system From: "Justin Fobes" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail X-Mailer: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <5XID8.A.I8G.qUc-_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hendrix died at 27, if you're planning for this, the ears won't matter at 29! -Justin http://www.JustinFobesMusic.com Alan Kroeger wrote: > Besides which it's no good for your ears ;D > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ian Petersen [mailto:iep@mail.dk] > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 1:10 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: sustainer system > > > Duncan, > >> I prefer the old-fashioned technique of standing closer to the amp > > Well, so do I, but I don't think my neighbours do! > > -- > > Ian Petersen > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 5 15:30:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i05KOIb30142; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:24:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:24:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FF9C68E.6080406@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 12:18:22 -0800 From: Daryl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FW: Hardware hack - replacing a pot with a switch? References: <001b01c3caa5$37658300$0200a8c0@akadev.com> In-Reply-To: <001b01c3caa5$37658300$0200a8c0@akadev.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2fjSmB.A.2WH.yfc-_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm just getting back into my routine from the holiday craziness and read the great helpful hints on my quest. Thanks a lot everyone, I'm quite inspired to try out a few different things. Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 5 15:32:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i05KPEf30300; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:25:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:25:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: sustainer system Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:25:11 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c3d3ca$05452d20$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <1610.172.160.232.103.1073333546.squirrel@172.160.232.103> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Too late I'm way past that point but, please do speak up! ;D -----Original Message----- From: Justin Fobes [mailto:JustinFobes@JustinFobesMusic.com] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 3:12 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: sustainer system Hendrix died at 27, if you're planning for this, the ears won't matter at 29! -Justin http://www.JustinFobesMusic.com Alan Kroeger wrote: > Besides which it's no good for your ears ;D > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ian Petersen [mailto:iep@mail.dk] > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 1:10 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: sustainer system > > > Duncan, > >> I prefer the old-fashioned technique of standing closer to the amp > > Well, so do I, but I don't think my neighbours do! > > -- > > Ian Petersen > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 5 15:35:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i05KXQm31684; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:33:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:33:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [213.249.215.171] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: My Post,Found...and Loop4 Q Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 20:33:20 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2004 20:33:20.0381 (UTC) FILETIME=[28430AD0:01C3D3CB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, well........ Looks like after a week of floating around in cyberspace doing god knows what, my first post has finally turned up........too late as usual!! in the mean time, thanks to kim,Im sure I can work out a way to use my MidiBoard for my own liking. Does anyone know if you can buy Loop4 in the UK? Thanks Phill _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 5 15:37:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i05KWCe31486; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:32:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:32:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FF9C865.8060008@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 12:26:13 -0800 From: Daryl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sustainer system References: <001b01c3caa5$37658300$0200a8c0@akadev.com> In-Reply-To: <001b01c3caa5$37658300$0200a8c0@akadev.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've had a lot of fun with my own 'sustainer'...it's a tiny, cheap plastic amp that vibrates quite a bit when cranked up to its full miniscule output. I face it towards me, or even point it into a pillow (it's not the pickup/speaker interface I'm after), and set my headstock firmly against it when holding a note. Even when playing clean, I can generate some fantastic infinite sustain that lasts as long as I hold the guitar against it. It works best with low notes, and resonates quite well with certain notes and not so well with others. Adding some distortion beforehand (even just in the line that goes out to the little amp) results in more overtones and responsiveness. I've never tried it with a Smokie or one of the other tiny practice amps, but I'll bet it works well with them too. Obviously it works with a full-size amp or cabinet as well, but it's a bit more inconvenient (and frightening) to get within touching distance. Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 5 15:49:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i05KjMH00949; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:45:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:45:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 21:45:10 +0100 Subject: Re: sustainer system From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3FF9C865.8060008@mhorse.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-01-05 21.26, "Daryl" wrote: > I've had a lot of fun with my own 'sustainer'...it's a tiny, cheap > plastic amp that vibrates quite a bit when cranked up to its full > miniscule output....... He, he... Custom made "sustainers" are fun! I use to gaffa tape a minimal Marshall practise amp, the size of two cig packs, to the body of my guitar. Its tiny voice is just enough to set the wood into vibration. If you have a flash plug-in there is an excerpt of that sound at http://www.boysen.se/kitchenensemble/tellus.html All the best per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 5 16:04:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i05Kt1L02172; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:55:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:55:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FF9CDC1.2050006@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 12:49:05 -0800 From: Daryl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sustainer system References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Awesome! Daryl highhorse@mhorse.com >He, he... Custom made "sustainers" are fun! I use to gaffa tape a minimal >Marshall practise amp, the size of two cig packs, to the body of my guitar. >Its tiny voice is just enough to set the wood into vibration. If you have a >flash plug-in there is an excerpt of that sound at >http://www.boysen.se/kitchenensemble/tellus.html > >All the best > >per > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 5 16:23:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i05LJfD07228; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 16:19:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 16:19:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: sustainer system Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 16:19:39 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c3d3d1$a0a5ec80$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <3FF9CDC1.2050006@mhorse.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <7XJYRC.A.0wB.tTd-_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here are some links to other interesting things including a sustainer design Main Link http://www.marksmart.net/ Sustainer/Feedbacker http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/feedbackgen/feedbackgen.html Other Fun Music Stuff http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/gearhack.html -----Original Message----- From: Daryl [mailto:highhorse@mhorse.com] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 3:49 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sustainer system Awesome! Daryl highhorse@mhorse.com >He, he... Custom made "sustainers" are fun! I use to gaffa tape a >minimal Marshall practise amp, the size of two cig packs, to the body >of my guitar. Its tiny voice is just enough to set the wood into >vibration. If you have a flash plug-in there is an excerpt of that >sound at http://www.boysen.se/kitchenensemble/tellus.html > >All the best > >per > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 5 18:07:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i05N4ul24344; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 18:04:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 18:04:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.163.129.139] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] X-Sender: nic_roozeboom@msn.com From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sustainer system Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 15:04:50 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2004 23:04:50.0479 (UTC) FILETIME=[5261EBF0:01C3D3E0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Smokie works fairly well, with certain limitations - the frequency selectivity being the main one I think. With the one guitar I tried it with, it would 'respond' perhaps on 30-40% of the scale, centered around certain favored keys and their octaves / integer multiples. Pre-distorting is a good idea, think I'll try that. Playing touch style seems to work best so that you can use the pick hand to position the Smokie at the most susceptible position over the string (or behind the string, as contact to the back of the neck gives the most gain/feedback). All of this is just looping with the repetition frequency inside the audible spectrum of course ;-) Nic >From: Daryl >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: sustainer system >Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 12:26:13 -0800 > > >I've had a lot of fun with my own 'sustainer'...it's a tiny, cheap plastic >amp that vibrates quite a bit when cranked up to its full miniscule output. > I face it towards me, or even point it into a pillow (it's not the >pickup/speaker interface I'm after), and set my headstock firmly against it >when holding a note. Even when playing clean, I can generate some >fantastic infinite sustain that lasts as long as I hold the guitar against >it. It works best with low notes, and resonates quite well with certain >notes and not so well with others. Adding some distortion beforehand (even >just in the line that goes out to the little amp) results in more overtones >and responsiveness. > >I've never tried it with a Smokie or one of the other tiny practice amps, >but I'll bet it works well with them too. Obviously it works with a >full-size amp or cabinet as well, but it's a bit more inconvenient (and >frightening) to get within touching distance. > >Daryl Shawn >highhorse@mhorse.com > _________________________________________________________________ Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 5 19:32:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i060U7403187; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 19:30:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 19:30:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00dc01c3d3fd$37ef92a0$0200a8c0@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <20040105160654.7944.qmail@web21325.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Is there a timing quantizer available? Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 19:31:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <6vafHB.A.tx.PGg-_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > It's not real time, but I'm told the new version of Sonor has the ability to > "quantize" audio tracks. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg House" To: Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 9:06 AM Subject: Re: Is there a timing quantizer available? > --- Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > > > I'm sure Antares is working on an "Auto-Time" as we speak. But, for now > > you're responsible for your own salvation as far as time goes. > > It's not real time, but I'm told the new version of Sonor has the ability to > "quantize" audio tracks. > > Greg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 5 20:10:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0611G608134; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 20:01:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 20:01:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FFA078C.9F5309D8@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 16:55:39 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Another EDP functionality question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Glenn, Glenn Poorman wrote: > Is there a way to quantize the overdub function? Yep: 1) Use either Stutter or Replace mode (under the Loop/Delay parameter) 2) Plug a pedal into the Feedback jack Because the pedal controls feedback in these cases, the front panel knob becomes a feedback control just for the Substitute function. If you turn the feedback knob all the way to the left, it'll behave as normal (feedback=0 when using Substitute.) If the knob is hard right, Substitute basically becomes Overdub, because feedback=100. So in this way, Substitute becomes an Overdub function, and will respond to Quantization just as it normally would. You can set the Substitute feedback value anywhere between these two extremes, and you'll see your feedback value displayed on the front panel when you're executing it. > I keep thinking it would be cool if > there were a way to quantize this in order to do the > Lafosse style quantized glitches We should probably call this "Andy Butler style" instead, since he came up with the idea first (and since I hardly ever use quantized glitches anymore...) Hear him in action: http://www.andybutler.com Good luck, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 5 21:59:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i062vpf22562; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 21:57:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 21:57:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: sustainer system Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 21:57:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C3D3D6.F87ED6B0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcPTqq5hkDxLYCPDTIyc7hl5ii85pwAVetBQ In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533E19@LON-MAIL07> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out009.verizon.net from [4.4.57.207] at Mon, 5 Jan 2004 20:57:46 -0600 Message-Id: <20040106025748.KVHS29632.out009.verizon.net@home> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C3D3D6.F87ED6B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The new Trey Gunn DVD shows him using a Shure Bullet harmonica mike held up to the back of the neck of the Warr guitar. Seems to work pretty well, but I have no idea of where the mike is plugged in. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com >>I've mailed to info@sustainiac.com a couple of times with a question about the Model C (does the power supply work in Europe? The website only mentions 120V) but I have never received a reply ...<< if it's any help, ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C3D3D6.F87ED6B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: sustainer system
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------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C3D3D6.F87ED6B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 6 08:08:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i06D5RA03087; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 08:05:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 08:05:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-BrightmailFiltered: true Message-ID: <3FFAAD0D.3090801@unguitar.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 13:41:49 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Edp Midi sync=out > making a Fireworx crazy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi dear friends, it seems that this is the time I am subscribing back to beloved LD. I hope this is going to be a good sign for this new year, as more time available for myself is one of my targets. So, the reason why I'm sending this post is the following (I'm pasting the question as it has been sent to Tc electronic) : __________________________________________________________________________________________ This is the midi flow of my rack: Midi footcontroller with 6 pedals (continous sontrollers) into Doepfer Master Fader > Eventide Orville > Oberheim Echoplex > Fireworx. Foot controller on midi channel 1 Doepfer on midi chan 0 Orville on midi chan 2 and 3 Echoplex on midi chan 4 Fireworx on midi chan 5 the midi controls the Fireworx is receiving are the following: Volume out: contr. 27 ext. 1: on contr. 20 ext. 2: on contr. 21 ext. 3: on contr. 22 External Tempo Sync coming from Echoplex (chan.4): on note on/off After some use the Fireworx freezes (nothing is responding to any kind of order: nor from midi, nor from the panel) only workaround (???) is to switch it off and reboot (using the backpanel switch). ___________________________________________________________________ Now, after a few hours of clean and smooth running of the Fireworx WITHOUT the Edp midi linked to it and controlling its tempo, I am suspecting the reason of its problem comes from Edp's Midi Sync. The Edp (Loop IV ver.1.1) sends out a midi sync (Sync=Out) which works perfectly and is well received from the Fireworx, it just seems that it is causing it to be overwhelmed by it after some use. I am sure I'll find the answer submitting this question to the Mighty LD Oracle. Masters ? have a great 2004. my best, Luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 6 10:37:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i06FXaB24133; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 10:33:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 10:33:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-BrightmailFiltered: true Message-ID: <3FFACFCF.9080601@unguitar.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 16:10:07 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: a call for loopers in europe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi guys, I have been organizing small, mostly solo gigs in a small wine bar located on the southern Garda Lake, in Italy, 30 Km from Verona and 120 from Milan. Since June 2003 we have been doing one gig a month. Some of the talented people from this list have already done a gig there; they are Steve Lawson, Rick Walker, Claude Voit and Rainer Straschill. I would like to continue to host people from LD there so, if anyone is interested, please write me a mail on luca@unguitar.com, I'll provide you with a data sheet with all the infos/fees/time schedules. I'll be asking to people who I don't know personally to send me some music but, please, before sending me audio files via mail, let's see if they are too big for my small account in the middle of the country where fast connections are not available (since cows and pigs don't use them). My best, Luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 6 14:24:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i06JACJ22581; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 14:10:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 14:10:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040106191008.12375.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 11:10:08 -0800 (PST) From: dylan Reply-To: dylanhassinger@yahoo.com Subject: MIDI pattern sequencer? To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello all, i'm finally getting my setup up and running. but i'm finding that i need a device that will throw out a riff in MIDI, over and over again. one option would be a pattern sequencer, in which case I'd need to program in the MIDI pattern, but it could be saved. another option would be a MIDI looper, for real time MIDI looping. but as has been said before, there aren't many MIDI loopers out there, except perhaps the EMU command stations. i'm trying to do acid-style loops (acid the genre, not acid the program =), where i can throw a repeating riff into a midi synth and then tweak the cutoff over time, etc... the ability to do this live, spontaneously, at a gig would be great. I have an opportunity to get an electribe EM1 for about $170. i also have the opportunity to score an XL-7 command station for about $260. (I do have other EMU chips, so this is tempting.) is the EM1 easy to program riffs into? as easy as, say, an old TB303?? is the XL-7 easy to program a riff into? what about throwing a riff in live and having it loop around? are these devices easy to route to external MIDI devices? (i've got other synths i want to sequence with them.) should i buy one of these devices, or look for something else? i've asked similar questions before, so please forgive my repetition. as always, THANK YOU!!!!!! - dylan from st louis __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 6 14:54:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i06Jobg29021; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 14:50:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 14:50:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 14:51:33 -0500 From: Greg Waltzer Subject: Re: MIDI pattern sequencer? In-reply-to: <20040106191008.12375.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3FFB11C5.9050804@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.3.1) Gecko/20030425 References: <20040106191008.12375.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can't beat the XL-7 for $260. It has much more synth and sequencing power than the EM1. Very easy to program a riff, which loops automatically (same goes for EM1). While the loop is playing, you can punch in and out of record to add more parts. It has 2 midi outs, so you can control up to 32 channels on external devices. dylan wrote: >hello all, > >i'm finally getting my setup up and running. but i'm >finding that i need a device that will throw out a riff in >MIDI, over and over again. one option would be a pattern >sequencer, in which case I'd need to program in the MIDI >pattern, but it could be saved. another option would be a >MIDI looper, for real time MIDI looping. but as has been >said before, there aren't many MIDI loopers out there, >except perhaps the EMU command stations. i'm trying to do >acid-style loops (acid the genre, not acid the program =), >where i can throw a repeating riff into a midi synth and >then tweak the cutoff over time, etc... the ability to do >this live, spontaneously, at a gig would be great. > >I have an opportunity to get an electribe EM1 for about >$170. i also have the opportunity to score an XL-7 command >station for about $260. (I do have other EMU chips, so this >is tempting.) > >is the EM1 easy to program riffs into? as easy as, say, an >old TB303?? > >is the XL-7 easy to program a riff into? what about >throwing a riff in live and having it loop around? > >are these devices easy to route to external MIDI devices? >(i've got other synths i want to sequence with them.) >should i buy one of these devices, or look for something >else? > >i've asked similar questions before, so please forgive my >repetition. > >as always, THANK YOU!!!!!! > >- dylan from st louis > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 6 14:55:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i06JmNJ28470; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 14:48:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 14:48:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emile@foryourhead.com@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20040106191008.12375.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040106191008.12375.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 14:47:58 -0500 To: dylanhassinger@yahoo.com, loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: MIDI pattern sequencer? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'm also looking for something like this for my video mixing rig. Must haves are 1. Ability to handle controllers , as that's all my mixer responds to. 2. Some kind of real time triggering, or at least ability to toggle tracks on and off Highly desirable 3. Small size. 4. Namable presets . At 11:10 AM -0800 1/6/04, dylan wrote: >hello all, > >i'm finally getting my setup up and running. but i'm >finding that i need a device that will throw out a riff in >MIDI, over and over again. one option would be a pattern >sequencer, in which case I'd need to program in the MIDI >pattern, but it could be saved. another option would be a >MIDI looper, for real time MIDI looping. but as has been >said before, there aren't many MIDI loopers out there, >except perhaps the EMU command stations. i'm trying to do >acid-style loops (acid the genre, not acid the program =), >where i can throw a repeating riff into a midi synth and >then tweak the cutoff over time, etc... the ability to do >this live, spontaneously, at a gig would be great. > >I have an opportunity to get an electribe EM1 for about >$170. i also have the opportunity to score an XL-7 command >station for about $260. (I do have other EMU chips, so this >is tempting.) > >is the EM1 easy to program riffs into? as easy as, say, an >old TB303?? > >is the XL-7 easy to program a riff into? what about >throwing a riff in live and having it loop around? > >are these devices easy to route to external MIDI devices? >(i've got other synths i want to sequence with them.) >should i buy one of these devices, or look for something >else? > >i've asked similar questions before, so please forgive my >repetition. > >as always, THANK YOU!!!!!! > >- dylan from st louis > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes >http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus -- Been gone so long it looks like here to me. Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 6 16:17:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i06LDHg10727; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:13:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:13:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1ec.16b9531c.2d2c7ee1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:13:05 EST Subject: NAMM Numbness Sets In Already. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i06LDEk10703 Resent-Message-ID: <2KG6vC.A.hnC.tTy-_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there all, Has a day/place/time been set for at LD meet in Anaheim? Wuz StarLabs settled upon as a place? Was a time ever mentioned? A day? It's creepin' up on us and I wanna be able to plan round seein' folks and takin' care of business. Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 6 17:24:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i06MLXE23741; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:21:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:21:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012b01c3d4a3$6ced3ab0$e0154ed5@trucknutz> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Subject: Steve Lawson Masterclass - San Jose, Sat 24th Jan Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 22:21:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - osiris.24-7dns.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi loopsters, I'm making my usual annual trip to NAMM, and afterwards up to the bay area. On Sat 24th Jan I'm giving a masterclass in San Jose. It's very limited numbers, and will be a very involved hands on, 'proper' masterclass, as opposed to a shop style clinic. It's nearly full already, but if any of you are interested in coming, you can email me to confirm a place. The cost is $55.00, it's at the home of Bob Amstadt, who's on LD as well, and I'll be covering a lot of bass and looping related stuff, but will also no doubt get into some stuff about improv, composition, sound, technique, and issues that will relate to just about any musician. Please email me ASAP on steve@steve-lawson.co.uk if you want to come. I'll also be doing a few gigs around the bay area - so far confirmed are Wed 28th Jan - Henflings, Ben Lomond Thursday 29th - Constable Jacks, Newcastle Friday 30th - Espresso Garden, San Jose there are a few more details on my website - www.stevelawson.net Each of these gigs are with Michael Manring and Trip Wamsley as well - www.manthing.com www.tripwamsley.com and are therefor unmissable... :o) cheers! Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 6 17:46:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i06MbHP26257; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:37:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:37:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FFB389E.6030308@biink.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 17:37:18 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NAMM Numbness Sets In Already. References: <1ec.16b9531c.2d2c7ee1@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1ec.16b9531c.2d2c7ee1@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hell, I'm not even going this year and I can't feel a thing! -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 6 20:59:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i071u1924439; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 20:56:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 20:56:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c3d4c1$686a27f0$b6705643@elfmaster> From: "RemyC" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: amazing theory of loop quantum gravity Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 20:56:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Scientific American January 2004 issue PHYSICS Atoms of Space and Time We perceive space and time to be continuous, but if the amazing theory of loop quantum gravity is correct, they actually come in discrete pieces By Lee Smolin Little more than 100 years ago most people--and most scientists--thought of matter as continuous. Although since ancient times some philosophers and scientists had speculated that if matter were broken up into small enough bits, it might turn out to be made up of very tiny atoms, few thought the existence of atoms could ever be proved. Today we have imaged individual atoms and have studied the particles that compose them. The granularity of matter is old news. In recent decades, physicists and mathematicians have asked if space is also made of discrete pieces. Is it continuous, as we learn in school, or is it more like a piece of cloth, woven out of individual fibers? If we could probe to size scales that were small enough, would we see "atoms" of space, irreducible pieces of volume that cannot be broken into anything smaller? And what about time: Does nature change continuously, or does the world evolve in series of very tiny steps, acting more like a digital computer? ...continued at Scientific American Digital (subcription required) http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&colID=1&articleID=00012BDE-E7EA-1FD3-A7EA83414B7F012C or in the print edition on newsstands now. 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--0-211555049-1073454771=:63346-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 05:55:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07AsoR08525; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 05:54:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 05:54:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: "'Looper's Delight'" Subject: First Impressions on UD Stomp--Yamaha Delay/Mod pedal Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 02:54:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcPVDKcRlVopR1osS+i8fEDGKttTtg== Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dearly beloved fellow gearheads-- Just got my used UD tonight and spent probably 4 hours with it (am I a maniac? yes I am). It has a lot to offer, especially at current blowout prices. First off, it is a true looper--no feedback or undo, but capable of 5.6 seconds of looping, with the option to overdub (but not directly out of record). Further, the delay times and feedback in Delay Line Land can be controlled by Continuous Controllers. To top it all off, this is truly a delay/mod pedal, with some wacky sound I KNOW some of you will enjoy. The choruses and flangers are first rate, and there are actually 8 separate delay modules in this pup, so some of the multitaps are real gone as well. There are lots of knobs--something the new Yamaha Magic Stomp, going for pretty much $200 street doesn't have--wonder if it loops? Bet it does . . . All I can say is, if you've got a couple of hundred dollars to spare for a preloop delay/mod, you can't go wrong with this--eBay prices are still pretty high, but MF was blowin' 'em out (no longer--sorry), so expect the rest of the merchants to follow--keep your eyes peeled, you won't be sorry. Gary "No such thing as too many delays" Lehmann PS StarrLabs booth at NAMM, come see me--I think I'll bring this new thing too! G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 06:52:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07Bpjx20545; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 06:51:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 06:51:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040107115139.34294.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 03:51:39 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: King crimson stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ive been listening lately to the looped polyrhytmic stuff of K.C especially the discipline album and 3 of a perfect pair truly cool and amazing stuff! So a question for you K.C. freaks: id like links or info to the short 5/8 looped interlocking stuff they are doing and also what the hell is adrian using to get those ultra high pitched distorted sounds on solos like elephant talk,neurotica or neil jack and me? Is that a guitar or a synth? wow! cheers Louie __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 07:57:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07Css931354; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 07:54:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 07:54:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <20040107115139.34294.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040107115139.34294.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Caleb Deupree Subject: Re: King crimson stuff Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 07:54:52 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You should check out the KC web site, http://www.elephant-talk.com. I don't think they do much looping as we discuss it on this list -- everything is played straight. There's transcriptions, tablature and some midi files on the site. IIRC Adrian Belew played Roland's guitar synth in this band. On Jan 7, 2004, at 6:51 AM, L. Angulo wrote: > Ive been listening lately to the looped polyrhytmic > stuff of K.C especially the discipline album and 3 of > a perfect pair truly cool and amazing stuff! > So a question for you K.C. freaks: id like links or > info to the short 5/8 looped interlocking stuff they > are doing and also what the hell is adrian using to > get those ultra high pitched distorted sounds on solos > like elephant talk,neurotica or neil jack and me? Is > that a guitar or a synth? --- Caleb Deupree ctdeupree@sbcglobal.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 08:40:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07DcwQ09597; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 08:38:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 08:38:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040107133852.43320.qmail@web41014.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 05:38:52 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: King crimson stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanx Caleb Yes i am aware that they both used Roland synths and in Elephant talk is really clear the synth solo from fripp but the second solo is the one that intrigues me... Cheers Louie --- Caleb Deupree wrote: > You should check out the KC web site, > http://www.elephant-talk.com. I > don't think they do much looping as we discuss it on > this list -- > everything is played straight. There's > transcriptions, tablature and > some midi files on the site. IIRC Adrian Belew > played Roland's guitar > synth in this band. > > On Jan 7, 2004, at 6:51 AM, L. Angulo wrote: > > > Ive been listening lately to the looped > polyrhytmic > > stuff of K.C especially the discipline album and 3 > of > > a perfect pair truly cool and amazing stuff! > > So a question for you K.C. freaks: id like links > or > > info to the short 5/8 looped interlocking stuff > they > > are doing and also what the hell is adrian using > to > > get those ultra high pitched distorted sounds on > solos > > like elephant talk,neurotica or neil jack and me? > Is > > that a guitar or a synth? > --- > Caleb Deupree > ctdeupree@sbcglobal.net > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 08:49:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07DmFb11836; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 08:48:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 08:48:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: King crimson stuff Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 08:48:12 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: King crimson stuff Thread-Index: AcPVI6eTH6JuYQhzQyWCrAisMtg58gAASFBA From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2004 13:48:12.0561 (UTC) FILETIME=[E47F9010:01C3D524] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i07DmEk11806 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think that second solo is pure guitar with some good fat distortion and compression. Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:39 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: King crimson stuff > > Thanx Caleb > Yes i am aware that they both used Roland synths and > in Elephant talk is really clear the synth solo from > fripp but the second solo is the one that intrigues > me... > Cheers > Louie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 09:20:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07EII319686; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 09:18:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 09:18:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040107141812.66801.qmail@web41005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 06:18:12 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: King crimson stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hes obviously also using some sort of harmonizer to get those really high pitched notes but what intrigues me is that you cannot hear the artifacts you usually hear from such devices louie --- Glenn Poorman wrote: > I think that second solo is pure guitar with some > good > fat distortion and compression. > > Glenn > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:39 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: King crimson stuff > > > > Thanx Caleb > > Yes i am aware that they both used Roland synths > and > > in Elephant talk is really clear the synth solo > from > > fripp but the second solo is the one that > intrigues > > me... > > Cheers > > Louie > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 13:08:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07HxTR09988; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 12:59:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 12:59:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: King crimson stuff Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 09:59:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Thread-Index: AcPVKSsZnARm7QnNSCictnmaW5LltgAHj8Hg In-Reply-To: <20040107141812.66801.qmail@web41005.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No Harmonizer - He just uses the guitar to really get up there - you should try to locate the Live in Mexico official bootleg - he does a killer high pitched distorted feedback squeal solo on "Three of a Perfect Pair" - and if you can find the old video he made in the 80's you can see how he gets a lot of his sound with minimal effects although his rack at that time was the size of a fridge :) -----Original Message----- From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 6:18 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: King crimson stuff hes obviously also using some sort of harmonizer to get those really high pitched notes but what intrigues me is that you cannot hear the artifacts you usually hear from such devices louie --- Glenn Poorman wrote: > I think that second solo is pure guitar with some > good > fat distortion and compression. > > Glenn > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:39 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: King crimson stuff > > > > Thanx Caleb > > Yes i am aware that they both used Roland synths > and > > in Elephant talk is really clear the synth solo > from > > fripp but the second solo is the one that > intrigues > > me... > > Cheers > > Louie > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 14:00:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07Iw7G23073; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 13:58:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 13:58:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 18:57:48 +0000 Subject: Re: King crimson stuff Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7-705387878 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Paul Greenstein To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20040107133852.43320.qmail@web41014.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <62CA2A42-4143-11D8-8BAB-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-7-705387878 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I remember reading various guitar geek interviews with Adrian Belew around the time those albums were released. I think a big part of his technique was to use fairly extreme equalisation to encourage particular harmonics to feed back, plus *really* getting to grips with positioning himself relative to his amp(s). By the way, have a listen to 'The Great Curve' from Talking Heads 'Remain in Light' album. Great feedback solo from Belew. On Wednesday, January 7, 2004, at 01:38 pm, L. Angulo wrote: > Thanx Caleb > Yes i am aware that they both used Roland synths and > in Elephant talk is really clear the synth solo from > fripp but the second solo is the one that intrigues > me... > Cheers > Louie > --- Caleb Deupree wrote: >> You should check out the KC web site, >> http://www.elephant-talk.com. I >> don't think they do much looping as we discuss it on >> this list -- >> everything is played straight. There's >> transcriptions, tablature and >> some midi files on the site. IIRC Adrian Belew >> played Roland's guitar >> synth in this band. >> >> On Jan 7, 2004, at 6:51 AM, L. Angulo wrote: >> >>> Ive been listening lately to the looped >> polyrhytmic >>> stuff of K.C especially the discipline album and 3 >> of >>> a perfect pair truly cool and amazing stuff! >>> So a question for you K.C. freaks: id like links >> or >>> info to the short 5/8 looped interlocking stuff >> they >>> are doing and also what the hell is adrian using >> to >>> get those ultra high pitched distorted sounds on >> solos >>> like elephant talk,neurotica or neil jack and me? >> Is >>> that a guitar or a synth? >> --- >> Caleb Deupree >> ctdeupree@sbcglobal.net >> > > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > > --Apple-Mail-7-705387878 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Lucida GrandeI remember reading various guitar geek interviews with Adrian Belew around the time those albums were released. I think a big part of his technique was to use fairly extreme equalisation to encourage particular harmonics to feed back, plus *really* getting to grips with positioning himself relative to his amp(s). By the way, have a listen to 'The Great Curve' from Talking Heads 'Remain in Light' album. Great feedback solo from Belew. On Wednesday, January 7, 2004, at 01:38 pm, L. Angulo wrote: Thanx Caleb Yes i am aware that they both used Roland synths and in Elephant talk is really clear the synth solo from fripp but the second solo is the one that intrigues me... Cheers Louie --- Caleb Deupree < wrote: You should check out the KC web site, http://www.elephant-talk.com. I don't think they do much looping as we discuss it on this list -- everything is played straight. There's transcriptions, tablature and some midi files on the site. IIRC Adrian Belew played Roland's guitar synth in this band. On Jan 7, 2004, at 6:51 AM, L. Angulo wrote: Ive been listening lately to the looped polyrhytmic stuff of K.C especially the discipline album and 3 of a perfect pair truly cool and amazing stuff! So a question for you K.C. freaks: id like links or info to the short 5/8 looped interlocking stuff they are doing and also what the hell is adrian using to get those ultra high pitched distorted sounds on solos like elephant talk,neurotica or neil jack and me? Is that a guitar or a synth? --- Caleb Deupree ctdeupree@sbcglobal.net ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus --Apple-Mail-7-705387878-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 14:15:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07JCoH28103; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 14:12:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 14:12:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FFC58A6.1030707@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 11:06:14 -0800 From: Daryl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: heavy rack support References: <20040107055251.66685.qmail@web80202.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040107055251.66685.qmail@web80202.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just bought a 16-space shockmount rack for my studio equipment. There's some fairly heavy gear I'm going to want in there, and it's going to be chock-full, so I'm concerned about all the gear hanging from the front rails. The rack has rear rails too, so I'd think I could find some supports that would connect between the two to distribute the weight. Should I be concerned? Anyone run into this and find a solution? Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 14:46:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07JeCm02949; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 14:40:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 14:40:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 11:40:08 -0800 Subject: Re: King crimson stuff From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey bein a belewaholic since the 80s maybe i know... every interview in print that i have from the days of elephant talk adrian talks about his 'foxx tone machine' for those upper octavee thingees-it works like the roger mayer 'octavia'-fuzz plus octave. and its red and fuzzy :-) s > No Harmonizer - He just uses the guitar to really get up there - you should > try to locate the Live in Mexico official bootleg - he does a killer high > pitched distorted feedback squeal solo on "Three of a Perfect Pair" - and if > you can find the old video he made in the 80's you can see how he gets a lot > of his sound with minimal effects although his rack at that time was the > size of a fridge :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 6:18 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: King crimson stuff > > hes obviously also using some sort of harmonizer to > get those really high pitched notes but what intrigues > me is that you cannot hear the artifacts you usually > hear from such devices > louie > --- Glenn Poorman wrote: >> I think that second solo is pure guitar with some >> good >> fat distortion and compression. >> >> Glenn >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:39 AM >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Subject: Re: King crimson stuff >>> >>> Thanx Caleb >>> Yes i am aware that they both used Roland synths >> and >>> in Elephant talk is really clear the synth solo >> from >>> fripp but the second solo is the one that >> intrigues >>> me... >>> Cheers >>> Louie >> > > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 15:15:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07KBU109522; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 15:11:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 15:11:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: King crimson stuff Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 15:11:28 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c3d55a$6f51ca70$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i07KBUk09495 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Red? Hmm!, the one I had in the 70's was blue (maybe there was another version or it was customized) but, I did love that thing (it still had a slightly ugly fuzz sound) the octave thing was cool (wish I still had it $$$). Do you think that was what he was using to get those sounds on Lone Rhino and/or Twang Bar King? I ain't much for persuing those trivia details ;D Heres a pic the same as the one I had http://www.tonefrenzy.com/2/images/gear/fox_tonemachine1%20copy.JPG I might have to think about duplicating this on one of my DSP boxes cause it is cool sounding. Some circuits that supposedly replicate it http://www.runoffgroove.com/ftm.html http://www.generalguitargadgets.com/ftm.html -----Original Message----- From: stanitarium@earthlink.net [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 2:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: King crimson stuff hey bein a belewaholic since the 80s maybe i know... every interview in print that i have from the days of elephant talk adrian talks about his 'foxx tone machine' for those upper octavee thingees-it works like the roger mayer 'octavia'-fuzz plus octave. and its red and fuzzy :-) s > No Harmonizer - He just uses the guitar to really get up there - you > should try to locate the Live in Mexico official bootleg - he does a > killer high pitched distorted feedback squeal solo on "Three of a > Perfect Pair" - and if you can find the old video he made in the 80's > you can see how he gets a lot of his sound with minimal effects > although his rack at that time was the size of a fridge :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 6:18 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: King crimson stuff > > hes obviously also using some sort of harmonizer to > get those really high pitched notes but what intrigues > me is that you cannot hear the artifacts you usually > hear from such devices > louie > --- Glenn Poorman wrote: >> I think that second solo is pure guitar with some >> good >> fat distortion and compression. >> >> Glenn >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:39 AM >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Subject: Re: King crimson stuff >>> >>> Thanx Caleb >>> Yes i am aware that they both used Roland synths >> and >>> in Elephant talk is really clear the synth solo >> from >>> fripp but the second solo is the one that >> intrigues >>> me... >>> Cheers >>> Louie >> > > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 15:22:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07KHwY10588; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 15:17:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 15:17:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20040107134618.05298d98@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 14:17:26 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: King crimson stuff In-Reply-To: <62CA2A42-4143-11D8-8BAB-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> References: <20040107133852.43320.qmail@web41014.mail.yahoo.com> <62CA2A42-4143-11D8-8BAB-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:57 PM 1/7/2004, Paul Greenstein wrote: >I remember reading various guitar geek interviews with Adrian Belew around >the time those albums were released. I think a big part of his technique >was to use fairly extreme equalisation to encourage particular harmonics >to feed back, plus *really* getting to grips with positioning himself >relative to his amp(s). One more wrinkle which may not be easily duplicated: For years, Belew relied on the same beaten up vintage 60's strat, which had a tendency to feed back in really interesting ways (also probably didn't hurt that Adrian idolized Hendrix while growing up). Evidently, it was this particular style of feedback that landed him his first professional gig with Zappa. (Aside: according to some of Belew's interviews, he actually had blown the audition entirely, where he was asked to try out with Zappa and the rest of the band. Before leaving, Adrian pulled Frank into a room with just the two of them and cascaded him with ten minutes of ear-shattering guitar solo feedback. After that, he got the job.) I don't believe Adrian really used any other guitar until he picked up a second vintage strat around the time of his first solo album, "Twang Bar King" (released between "Beat" and "Three of a Perfect Pair", if I remember correctly). Also, I've heard rumors that later on there may have been a Sustainiac-like system or a compression circuit installed into that guitar body's electronics. So, some of those high feedback notes may not be readily reproducible because they're a function of that particular piece of wood under Belew's fingers. Not impossible to recreate, mind you, just a bit more difficult. >By the way, have a listen to 'The Great Curve' from Talking Heads 'Remain >in Light' album. Great feedback solo from Belew. Good one. Similarly, I'd also recommend 'Two Soldiers' from David Byrne's soundtrack for the broadway performance of "The Catherine Wheel". I'm especially fond of the way that, during the solo break, Belew obviously took several different feedback takes. Then, in true Byrne/Eno fashion, they were edited into quick machine-gun-like clips to form a single guitar solo that is truly twisted and genuinely neat. I believe it has to be one of the first true examples of granular/glitch guitar, and probably done entirely with 1/4" tape. ;) -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 15:32:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07KRRi11906; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 15:27:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 15:27:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c3d55c$d9114100$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <001101c3d55a$6f51ca70$0200a8c0@akadev.com> Subject: Re: King crimson stuff Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 15:28:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [68.163.176.176] at Wed, 7 Jan 2004 14:27:25 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At one point in the early 80's, and memory fails me when exactly, AB had an Ibanez HD1000 Harmonizer Harmonics Delay. I remember talking about it with, and buying one from, Reeves Gabrels when he was working at Wurlitzer on Newbury Street back in 1986. The Roland GR300 of that era also would create pitch-shifted tones +/- octaves And then AB also is a superlative slide-guitar player, and he would often go beyond the fretboard. I hope that helps. David Kirkdorffer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:11 PM Subject: RE: King crimson stuff > Red? Hmm!, the one I had in the 70's was blue (maybe there was another > version or it was customized) but, I did love that thing (it still had a > slightly ugly fuzz sound) the octave thing was cool (wish I still had it > $$$). > Do you think that was what he was using to get those sounds on Lone Rhino > and/or Twang Bar King? I ain't much for persuing those trivia details ;D > > Heres a pic the same as the one I had > http://www.tonefrenzy.com/2/images/gear/fox_tonemachine1%20copy.JPG > > I might have to think about duplicating this on one of my DSP boxes cause it > is cool sounding. > > Some circuits that supposedly replicate it > http://www.runoffgroove.com/ftm.html > http://www.generalguitargadgets.com/ftm.html > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: stanitarium@earthlink.net [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 2:40 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: King crimson stuff > > > hey bein a belewaholic since the 80s maybe i know... > every interview in print that i have from the days of elephant talk adrian > talks about his 'foxx tone machine' for those upper octavee thingees-it > works like the roger mayer 'octavia'-fuzz plus octave. and its red and fuzzy > :-) > s > > > No Harmonizer - He just uses the guitar to really get up there - you > > should try to locate the Live in Mexico official bootleg - he does a > > killer high pitched distorted feedback squeal solo on "Three of a > > Perfect Pair" - and if you can find the old video he made in the 80's > > you can see how he gets a lot of his sound with minimal effects > > although his rack at that time was the size of a fridge :) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 6:18 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: RE: King crimson stuff > > > > hes obviously also using some sort of harmonizer to > > get those really high pitched notes but what intrigues > > me is that you cannot hear the artifacts you usually > > hear from such devices > > louie > > --- Glenn Poorman wrote: > >> I think that second solo is pure guitar with some > >> good > >> fat distortion and compression. > >> > >> Glenn > >> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:39 AM > >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>> Subject: Re: King crimson stuff > >>> > >>> Thanx Caleb > >>> Yes i am aware that they both used Roland synths > >> and > >>> in Elephant talk is really clear the synth solo > >> from > >>> fripp but the second solo is the one that > >> intrigues > >>> me... > >>> Cheers > >>> Louie > >> > > > > > > ===== > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 15:58:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07Kq1G14939; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 15:52:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 15:52:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: King crimson stuff Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 15:51:59 -0500 Message-ID: <001201c3d560$186f4d30$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <001801c3d55c$d9114100$0affff0a@hppav> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i07Kq0k14917 Resent-Message-ID: <266O9C.A.UpD.xFH__@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had always been under the assumption that he got the octave sound out of the GR300 myself but, since someone brought up the possibility of the Foxx Tone Machine. I got to thinking that it could possibly be that or maybe he just conciously or unconciously modeled his GR patch around the FTM sound or something like it. The tune I was thinking about was Paint The Road from Twang Bar King. Thanks Guys Another Belewaholic ;D -----Original Message----- From: David [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: King crimson stuff At one point in the early 80's, and memory fails me when exactly, AB had an Ibanez HD1000 Harmonizer Harmonics Delay. I remember talking about it with, and buying one from, Reeves Gabrels when he was working at Wurlitzer on Newbury Street back in 1986. The Roland GR300 of that era also would create pitch-shifted tones +/- octaves And then AB also is a superlative slide-guitar player, and he would often go beyond the fretboard. I hope that helps. David Kirkdorffer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:11 PM Subject: RE: King crimson stuff > Red? Hmm!, the one I had in the 70's was blue (maybe there was another > version or it was customized) but, I did love that thing (it still had > a slightly ugly fuzz sound) the octave thing was cool (wish I still > had it $$$). Do you think that was what he was using to get those > sounds on Lone Rhino and/or Twang Bar King? I ain't much for persuing > those trivia details ;D > > Heres a pic the same as the one I had > http://www.tonefrenzy.com/2/images/gear/fox_tonemachine1%20copy.JPG > > I might have to think about duplicating this on one of my DSP boxes > cause it > is cool sounding. > > Some circuits that supposedly replicate it > http://www.runoffgroove.com/ftm.html > http://www.generalguitargadgets.com/ftm.html > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: stanitarium@earthlink.net [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 2:40 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: King crimson stuff > > > hey bein a belewaholic since the 80s maybe i know... > every interview in print that i have from the days of elephant talk > adrian talks about his 'foxx tone machine' for those upper octavee > thingees-it works like the roger mayer 'octavia'-fuzz plus octave. and > its red and fuzzy > :-) > s > > > No Harmonizer - He just uses the guitar to really get up there - you > > should try to locate the Live in Mexico official bootleg - he does a > > killer high pitched distorted feedback squeal solo on "Three of a > > Perfect Pair" - and if you can find the old video he made in the > > 80's you can see how he gets a lot of his sound with minimal effects > > although his rack at that time was the size of a fridge :) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 6:18 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: RE: King crimson stuff > > > > hes obviously also using some sort of harmonizer to > > get those really high pitched notes but what intrigues > > me is that you cannot hear the artifacts you usually > > hear from such devices > > louie > > --- Glenn Poorman wrote: > >> I think that second solo is pure guitar with some > >> good > >> fat distortion and compression. > >> > >> Glenn > >> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:39 AM > >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>> Subject: Re: King crimson stuff > >>> > >>> Thanx Caleb > >>> Yes i am aware that they both used Roland synths > >> and > >>> in Elephant talk is really clear the synth solo > >> from > >>> fripp but the second solo is the one that > >> intrigues > >>> me... > >>> Cheers > >>> Louie > >> > > > > > > ===== > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 16:28:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07LNjd19831; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:23:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:23:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1359.172.155.24.151.1073510624.squirrel@172.155.24.151> In-Reply-To: <3FFC58A6.1030707@mhorse.com> References: <20040107055251.66685.qmail@web80202.mail.yahoo.com> <3FFC58A6.1030707@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 15:23:44 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: OT: heavy rack support From: "Justin Fobes" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail X-Mailer: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <00RfuB.A.o1E.gjH__@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Daryl, Yes you should be concerned! There should be rear mounting brackets attatched to the heavier pieces, if not, contact your case Manufacturer for the supports. Probably not much help, but hey, you get what you pay for! -Justin http://www.JustinFobesMusic.com Daryl wrote: > > I just bought a 16-space shockmount rack for my studio equipment. > There's some fairly heavy gear I'm going to want in there, and it's > going to be chock-full, so I'm concerned about all the gear hanging from > the front rails. The rack has rear rails too, so I'd think I could find > some supports that would connect between the two to distribute the > weight. Should I be concerned? Anyone run into this and find a solution? > > Daryl Shawn > highhorse@mhorse.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 16:49:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07LjUI22737; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:45:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:45:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 13:45:24 -0800 Subject: Re: King crimson stuff From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001201c3d560$186f4d30$0200a8c0@akadev.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com here is a quote from Guitar Player jan.'84: AB describing his onstage/studio equipment p.80- ...number 3 is my Foxx[Tone Machine]fuzztone. That's the sound in "Big Electric Cat" and "Paint the Road". "i always use it w/ the high octave sustain switch on. its my favorite effect, and not an easy one to find these days. i'm also daisy-chaining the Foxx-tone into an MXR 10-band graphic equalizer so that i can eq it." i know i'm getting into minutia here but AB is/was a great looper guitar guy,so... s > I had always been under the assumption that he got the octave sound out of > the GR300 myself but, since someone brought up the possibility of the Foxx > Tone Machine. I got to thinking that it could possibly be that or maybe he > just conciously or unconciously modeled his GR patch around the FTM sound or > something like it. The tune I was thinking about was Paint The Road from > Twang Bar King. > > Thanks Guys > Another Belewaholic ;D > > -----Original Message----- > From: David [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:29 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: King crimson stuff > > > At one point in the early 80's, and memory fails me when exactly, AB had an > Ibanez HD1000 Harmonizer Harmonics Delay. I remember talking about it with, > and buying one from, Reeves Gabrels when he was working at Wurlitzer on > Newbury Street back in 1986. > > The Roland GR300 of that era also would create pitch-shifted tones +/- > octaves > > And then AB also is a superlative slide-guitar player, and he would often go > beyond the fretboard. > > I hope that helps. > > David Kirkdorffer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Kroeger" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:11 PM > Subject: RE: King crimson stuff > > >> Red? Hmm!, the one I had in the 70's was blue (maybe there was another >> version or it was customized) but, I did love that thing (it still had >> a slightly ugly fuzz sound) the octave thing was cool (wish I still >> had it $$$). Do you think that was what he was using to get those >> sounds on Lone Rhino and/or Twang Bar King? I ain't much for persuing >> those trivia details ;D >> >> Heres a pic the same as the one I had >> http://www.tonefrenzy.com/2/images/gear/fox_tonemachine1%20copy.JPG >> >> I might have to think about duplicating this on one of my DSP boxes >> cause > it >> is cool sounding. >> >> Some circuits that supposedly replicate it >> http://www.runoffgroove.com/ftm.html >> http://www.generalguitargadgets.com/ftm.html >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: stanitarium@earthlink.net [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] >> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 2:40 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: King crimson stuff >> >> >> hey bein a belewaholic since the 80s maybe i know... >> every interview in print that i have from the days of elephant talk >> adrian talks about his 'foxx tone machine' for those upper octavee >> thingees-it works like the roger mayer 'octavia'-fuzz plus octave. and >> its red and > fuzzy >> :-) >> s >> >>> No Harmonizer - He just uses the guitar to really get up there - you >>> should try to locate the Live in Mexico official bootleg - he does a >>> killer high pitched distorted feedback squeal solo on "Three of a >>> Perfect Pair" - and if you can find the old video he made in the >>> 80's you can see how he gets a lot of his sound with minimal effects >>> although his rack at that time was the size of a fridge :) >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 6:18 AM >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Subject: RE: King crimson stuff >>> >>> hes obviously also using some sort of harmonizer to >>> get those really high pitched notes but what intrigues >>> me is that you cannot hear the artifacts you usually >>> hear from such devices >>> louie >>> --- Glenn Poorman wrote: >>>> I think that second solo is pure guitar with some >>>> good >>>> fat distortion and compression. >>>> >>>> Glenn >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:39 AM >>>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>>> Subject: Re: King crimson stuff >>>>> >>>>> Thanx Caleb >>>>> Yes i am aware that they both used Roland synths >>>> and >>>>> in Elephant talk is really clear the synth solo >>>> from >>>>> fripp but the second solo is the one that >>>> intrigues >>>>> me... >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Louie >>>> >>> >>> >>> ===== >>> www.luis-angulo.com >>> >>> __________________________________ >>> Do you Yahoo!? >>> Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes >>> http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 16:57:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07Lrnf23817; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:53:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:53:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FFC7FF0.5010909@biink.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 16:53:52 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: King crimson stuff References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com He also used an EH Graphic fuzz at some point in the early '80's. Two. Two pedals in one! -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 17:01:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07Lwo724698; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:58:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:58:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: King crimson stuff Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:58:48 -0500 Message-ID: <001301c3d569$6df745b0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i07Lwnk24668 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well I'm glad somebody can keep track of this stuff I wonder whether the Red FTM ha had was custom or some sort of model change? Thanks S -----Original Message----- From: stanitarium@earthlink.net [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 4:45 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: King crimson stuff here is a quote from Guitar Player jan.'84: AB describing his onstage/studio equipment p.80- ...number 3 is my Foxx[Tone Machine]fuzztone. That's the sound in "Big Electric Cat" and "Paint the Road". "i always use it w/ the high octave sustain switch on. its my favorite effect, and not an easy one to find these days. i'm also daisy-chaining the Foxx-tone into an MXR 10-band graphic equalizer so that i can eq it." i know i'm getting into minutia here but AB is/was a great looper guitar guy,so... s > I had always been under the assumption that he got the octave sound > out of the GR300 myself but, since someone brought up the possibility > of the Foxx Tone Machine. I got to thinking that it could possibly be > that or maybe he just conciously or unconciously modeled his GR patch > around the FTM sound or something like it. The tune I was thinking > about was Paint The Road from Twang Bar King. > > Thanks Guys > Another Belewaholic ;D > > -----Original Message----- > From: David [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:29 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: King crimson stuff > > > At one point in the early 80's, and memory fails me when exactly, AB > had an Ibanez HD1000 Harmonizer Harmonics Delay. I remember talking > about it with, and buying one from, Reeves Gabrels when he was working > at Wurlitzer on Newbury Street back in 1986. > > The Roland GR300 of that era also would create pitch-shifted tones +/- > octaves > > And then AB also is a superlative slide-guitar player, and he would > often go beyond the fretboard. > > I hope that helps. > > David Kirkdorffer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Kroeger" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:11 PM > Subject: RE: King crimson stuff > > >> Red? Hmm!, the one I had in the 70's was blue (maybe there was >> another version or it was customized) but, I did love that thing (it >> still had a slightly ugly fuzz sound) the octave thing was cool (wish >> I still had it $$$). Do you think that was what he was using to get >> those sounds on Lone Rhino and/or Twang Bar King? I ain't much for >> persuing those trivia details ;D >> >> Heres a pic the same as the one I had >> http://www.tonefrenzy.com/2/images/gear/fox_tonemachine1%20copy.JPG >> >> I might have to think about duplicating this on one of my DSP boxes >> cause > it >> is cool sounding. >> >> Some circuits that supposedly replicate it >> http://www.runoffgroove.com/ftm.html >> http://www.generalguitargadgets.com/ftm.html >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: stanitarium@earthlink.net [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] >> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 2:40 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: King crimson stuff >> >> >> hey bein a belewaholic since the 80s maybe i know... >> every interview in print that i have from the days of elephant talk >> adrian talks about his 'foxx tone machine' for those upper octavee >> thingees-it works like the roger mayer 'octavia'-fuzz plus octave. >> and its red and > fuzzy >> :-) >> s >> >>> No Harmonizer - He just uses the guitar to really get up there - you >>> should try to locate the Live in Mexico official bootleg - he does a >>> killer high pitched distorted feedback squeal solo on "Three of a >>> Perfect Pair" - and if you can find the old video he made in the >>> 80's you can see how he gets a lot of his sound with minimal effects >>> although his rack at that time was the size of a fridge :) >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 6:18 AM >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Subject: RE: King crimson stuff >>> >>> hes obviously also using some sort of harmonizer to >>> get those really high pitched notes but what intrigues >>> me is that you cannot hear the artifacts you usually >>> hear from such devices >>> louie >>> --- Glenn Poorman wrote: >>>> I think that second solo is pure guitar with some >>>> good >>>> fat distortion and compression. >>>> >>>> Glenn >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:39 AM >>>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>>> Subject: Re: King crimson stuff >>>>> >>>>> Thanx Caleb >>>>> Yes i am aware that they both used Roland synths >>>> and >>>>> in Elephant talk is really clear the synth solo >>>> from >>>>> fripp but the second solo is the one that >>>> intrigues >>>>> me... >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Louie >>>> >>> >>> >>> ===== >>> www.luis-angulo.com >>> >>> __________________________________ >>> Do you Yahoo!? >>> Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes >>> http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 17:23:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07MKW229349; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 17:20:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 17:20:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040107222025.65245.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 14:20:25 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: King crimson stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <4DFIZB.A.fKH.wYI__@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com He might of course be doing harmonics with his pick and right finger but it sounds way too fast for that! --- stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > here is a quote from Guitar Player jan.'84: > AB describing his onstage/studio equipment p.80- > ...number 3 is my Foxx[Tone Machine]fuzztone. That's > the sound in "Big > Electric Cat" and "Paint the Road". "i always use it > w/ the high octave > sustain switch on. its my favorite effect, and not > an easy one to find these > days. i'm also daisy-chaining the Foxx-tone into an > MXR 10-band graphic > equalizer so that i can eq it." > i know i'm getting into minutia here but AB is/was a > great looper guitar > guy,so... > s > > > I had always been under the assumption that he got > the octave sound out of > > the GR300 myself but, since someone brought up the > possibility of the Foxx > > Tone Machine. I got to thinking that it could > possibly be that or maybe he > > just conciously or unconciously modeled his GR > patch around the FTM sound or > > something like it. The tune I was thinking about > was Paint The Road from > > Twang Bar King. > > > > Thanks Guys > > Another Belewaholic ;D > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:29 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: King crimson stuff > > > > > > At one point in the early 80's, and memory fails > me when exactly, AB had an > > Ibanez HD1000 Harmonizer Harmonics Delay. I > remember talking about it with, > > and buying one from, Reeves Gabrels when he was > working at Wurlitzer on > > Newbury Street back in 1986. > > > > The Roland GR300 of that era also would create > pitch-shifted tones +/- > > octaves > > > > And then AB also is a superlative slide-guitar > player, and he would often go > > beyond the fretboard. > > > > I hope that helps. > > > > David Kirkdorffer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alan Kroeger" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:11 PM > > Subject: RE: King crimson stuff > > > > > >> Red? Hmm!, the one I had in the 70's was blue > (maybe there was another > >> version or it was customized) but, I did love > that thing (it still had > >> a slightly ugly fuzz sound) the octave thing was > cool (wish I still > >> had it $$$). Do you think that was what he was > using to get those > >> sounds on Lone Rhino and/or Twang Bar King? I > ain't much for persuing > >> those trivia details ;D > >> > >> Heres a pic the same as the one I had > >> > http://www.tonefrenzy.com/2/images/gear/fox_tonemachine1%20copy.JPG > >> > >> I might have to think about duplicating this on > one of my DSP boxes > >> cause > > it > >> is cool sounding. > >> > >> Some circuits that supposedly replicate it > >> http://www.runoffgroove.com/ftm.html > >> http://www.generalguitargadgets.com/ftm.html > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: stanitarium@earthlink.net > [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 2:40 PM > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Subject: Re: King crimson stuff > >> > >> > >> hey bein a belewaholic since the 80s maybe i > know... > >> every interview in print that i have from the > days of elephant talk > >> adrian talks about his 'foxx tone machine' for > those upper octavee > >> thingees-it works like the roger mayer > 'octavia'-fuzz plus octave. and > >> its red and > > fuzzy > >> :-) > >> s > >> > >>> No Harmonizer - He just uses the guitar to > really get up there - you > >>> should try to locate the Live in Mexico official > bootleg - he does a > >>> killer high pitched distorted feedback squeal > solo on "Three of a > >>> Perfect Pair" - and if you can find the old > video he made in the > >>> 80's you can see how he gets a lot of his sound > with minimal effects > >>> although his rack at that time was the size of a > fridge :) > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 6:18 AM > >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>> Subject: RE: King crimson stuff > >>> > >>> hes obviously also using some sort of harmonizer > to > >>> get those really high pitched notes but what > intrigues > >>> me is that you cannot hear the artifacts you > usually > >>> hear from such devices > >>> louie > >>> --- Glenn Poorman > wrote: > >>>> I think that second solo is pure guitar with > some > >>>> good > >>>> fat distortion and compression. > >>>> > >>>> Glenn > >>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:39 AM > >>>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>>>> Subject: Re: King crimson stuff > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanx Caleb > >>>>> Yes i am aware that they both used Roland > synths > >>>> and > >>>>> in Elephant talk is really clear the synth > solo > >>>> from > >>>>> fripp but the second solo is the one that > >>>> intrigues > >>>>> me... > >>>>> Cheers > >>>>> Louie > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ===== > >>> www.luis-angulo.com > >>> > >>> __________________________________ > >>> Do you Yahoo!? > >>> Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" > Sweepstakes > >>> > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 17:28:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07MPCB30240; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 17:25:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 17:25:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040107222505.39336.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 14:25:05 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: King crimson stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20040107134618.05298d98@spamarrest.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Another one i love fro Adrian is High wired his fuzz souds are really inspiring! cheers Louie --- Catilyne wrote: > At 12:57 PM 1/7/2004, Paul Greenstein wrote: > >I remember reading various guitar geek interviews > with Adrian Belew around > >the time those albums were released. I think a big > part of his technique > >was to use fairly extreme equalisation to encourage > particular harmonics > >to feed back, plus *really* getting to grips with > positioning himself > >relative to his amp(s). > > One more wrinkle which may not be easily duplicated: > For years, Belew > relied on the same beaten up vintage 60's strat, > which had a tendency to > feed back in really interesting ways (also probably > didn't hurt that Adrian > idolized Hendrix while growing up). > > Evidently, it was this particular style of feedback > that landed him his > first professional gig with Zappa. (Aside: > according to some of Belew's > interviews, he actually had blown the audition > entirely, where he was asked > to try out with Zappa and the rest of the band. > Before leaving, Adrian > pulled Frank into a room with just the two of them > and cascaded him with > ten minutes of ear-shattering guitar solo feedback. > After that, he got the > job.) > > I don't believe Adrian really used any other guitar > until he picked up a > second vintage strat around the time of his first > solo album, "Twang Bar > King" (released between "Beat" and "Three of a > Perfect Pair", if I remember > correctly). > > Also, I've heard rumors that later on there may have > been a Sustainiac-like > system or a compression circuit installed into that > guitar body's electronics. > > So, some of those high feedback notes may not be > readily reproducible > because they're a function of that particular piece > of wood under Belew's > fingers. Not impossible to recreate, mind you, just > a bit more difficult. > > >By the way, have a listen to 'The Great Curve' from > Talking Heads 'Remain > >in Light' album. Great feedback solo from Belew. > > Good one. Similarly, I'd also recommend 'Two > Soldiers' from David Byrne's > soundtrack for the broadway performance of "The > Catherine Wheel". I'm > especially fond of the way that, during the solo > break, Belew obviously > took several different feedback takes. Then, in > true Byrne/Eno fashion, > they were edited into quick machine-gun-like clips > to form a single guitar > solo that is truly twisted and genuinely neat. I > believe it has to be one > of the first true examples of granular/glitch > guitar, and probably done > entirely with 1/4" tape. ;) > > -c- > > _____ > "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* > what reaches back" > > -recoil > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 17:45:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07MXW232121; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 17:33:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 17:33:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040107223329.48946.qmail@web21323.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 14:33:29 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: King crimson stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've heard that the relatively inexpensive Danelectro French Toast was designed to sound like the Foxx Tone Machine. I enjoy using mine sometimes, but I've never played a real FTM to compare it to. Greg --- stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > here is a quote from Guitar Player jan.'84: > AB describing his onstage/studio equipment p.80- > ...number 3 is my Foxx[Tone Machine]fuzztone. That's the sound in "Big > Electric Cat" and "Paint the Road". "i always use it w/ the high octave > sustain switch on. its my favorite effect, and not an easy one to find these > days. i'm also daisy-chaining the Foxx-tone into an MXR 10-band graphic > equalizer so that i can eq it." > i know i'm getting into minutia here but AB is/was a great looper guitar > guy,so... > s > > > I had always been under the assumption that he got the octave sound out of > > the GR300 myself but, since someone brought up the possibility of the Foxx > > Tone Machine. I got to thinking that it could possibly be that or maybe he > > just conciously or unconciously modeled his GR patch around the FTM sound or > > something like it. The tune I was thinking about was Paint The Road from > > Twang Bar King. > > > > Thanks Guys > > Another Belewaholic ;D > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:29 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: King crimson stuff > > > > > > At one point in the early 80's, and memory fails me when exactly, AB had an > > Ibanez HD1000 Harmonizer Harmonics Delay. I remember talking about it with, > > and buying one from, Reeves Gabrels when he was working at Wurlitzer on > > Newbury Street back in 1986. > > > > The Roland GR300 of that era also would create pitch-shifted tones +/- > > octaves > > > > And then AB also is a superlative slide-guitar player, and he would often go > > beyond the fretboard. > > > > I hope that helps. > > > > David Kirkdorffer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alan Kroeger" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:11 PM > > Subject: RE: King crimson stuff > > > > > >> Red? Hmm!, the one I had in the 70's was blue (maybe there was another > >> version or it was customized) but, I did love that thing (it still had > >> a slightly ugly fuzz sound) the octave thing was cool (wish I still > >> had it $$$). Do you think that was what he was using to get those > >> sounds on Lone Rhino and/or Twang Bar King? I ain't much for persuing > >> those trivia details ;D > >> > >> Heres a pic the same as the one I had > >> http://www.tonefrenzy.com/2/images/gear/fox_tonemachine1%20copy.JPG > >> > >> I might have to think about duplicating this on one of my DSP boxes > >> cause > > it > >> is cool sounding. > >> > >> Some circuits that supposedly replicate it > >> http://www.runoffgroove.com/ftm.html > >> http://www.generalguitargadgets.com/ftm.html > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: stanitarium@earthlink.net [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 2:40 PM > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Subject: Re: King crimson stuff > >> > >> > >> hey bein a belewaholic since the 80s maybe i know... > >> every interview in print that i have from the days of elephant talk > >> adrian talks about his 'foxx tone machine' for those upper octavee > >> thingees-it works like the roger mayer 'octavia'-fuzz plus octave. and > >> its red and > > fuzzy > >> :-) > >> s > >> > >>> No Harmonizer - He just uses the guitar to really get up there - you > >>> should try to locate the Live in Mexico official bootleg - he does a > >>> killer high pitched distorted feedback squeal solo on "Three of a > >>> Perfect Pair" - and if you can find the old video he made in the > >>> 80's you can see how he gets a lot of his sound with minimal effects > >>> although his rack at that time was the size of a fridge :) > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 6:18 AM > >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>> Subject: RE: King crimson stuff > >>> > >>> hes obviously also using some sort of harmonizer to > >>> get those really high pitched notes but what intrigues > >>> me is that you cannot hear the artifacts you usually > >>> hear from such devices > >>> louie > >>> --- Glenn Poorman wrote: > >>>> I think that second solo is pure guitar with some > >>>> good > >>>> fat distortion and compression. > >>>> > >>>> Glenn > >>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:39 AM > >>>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>>>> Subject: Re: King crimson stuff > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanx Caleb > >>>>> Yes i am aware that they both used Roland synths > >>>> and > >>>>> in Elephant talk is really clear the synth solo > >>>> from > >>>>> fripp but the second solo is the one that > >>>> intrigues > >>>>> me... > >>>>> Cheers > >>>>> Louie > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ===== > >>> www.luis-angulo.com > >>> > >>> __________________________________ > >>> Do you Yahoo!? > >>> Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > >>> http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 18:03:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07N1vF06902; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 18:01:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 18:01:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [161.91.247.11] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] X-Sender: nic_roozeboom@msn.com From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: King crimson stuff Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 15:01:50 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2004 23:01:51.0284 (UTC) FILETIME=[3C666F40:01C3D572] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com IMO he did a kind of 'ultimate' version of this particular 'songbird' style of his in the solo to 'Happy with What you Have to be Happy With', on the mini-CD of the same title as well as on The Power to Believe. Almost as a self-parody it would seem, but no less impressive. I've never much tried to deconstruct this style of playing (as it is so personal to him and sounds nigh-impossible and completely pointless to try and reproduce:-). But to my ears it sounds a bit as though it's a variation of the harmonic technique where you only apply the harmonic after the pick action, mid-note, so to speak...? Nic >From: "L. Angulo" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: King crimson stuff >Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 14:20:25 -0800 (PST) > >He might of course be doing harmonics with his pick >and right finger but it sounds way too fast for that! > _________________________________________________________________ Tired of slow downloads? Compare online deals from your local high-speed providers now. https://broadband.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 18:13:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07N7Nr07836; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 18:07:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 18:07:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040107181021.014774a0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: nickd@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 18:10:21 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: nick douglas Subject: Re: King crimson stuff In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20040107134618.05298d98@spamarrest.com> References: <62CA2A42-4143-11D8-8BAB-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> <20040107133852.43320.qmail@web41014.mail.yahoo.com> <62CA2A42-4143-11D8-8BAB-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <7ZmAkD.A.T6B.rEJ__@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was lucky enough to see Mr. Adrian Belew play 5 or 6 nights in a row when he was still with Sweetheart, a cover band that played R&R dance clubs on the Florida-to-upper-midwest circuit (same gigs where Zappa first saw him, actually). They did 4 sets a night (with only few repeats and originals in the last set each night) and covered songs that weren't the typical choices of cover bands. They were by far the best cover-band I've ever seen. Anyway, using stomp-boxes and astonishing feedback control he would switch from sounding just like Jimi Hendrix to sounding just like Jeff Beck, to Townshend to Clapton to Harrison to Lennon to Page to Zappa to.... I talked to him at the bar a few times between sets that week. IIRC he said that among his stomp boxes and pedals were several different fuzzes (fuzz-face, Big Muff, some kinda Rat IIRC) and also octave up/down box(es) but that he often did the octave-up thing using just feedback and EQ. Of course, I might be mistaken because this was a long time ago and the gear talk wasn't as memorable as some other details of those nights. As Catilyne said, he was using that beat-up dayglo yellow strat with duct-tape around the top horn of the body where he would grab it to bend the neck. That's the same guitar he later used with Zappa, Bowie, Talking Heads / Tom-Tom Club, etc. I think he already had the lime green one then, too. I know he had both the yellow and green dayglo guitars a few months later when I saw his (first?) gig with Zappa. I don't think he ever put a sustainer on those old guitars, but in later years he's had a Fernandes (and other guitars?) with them built-in, but I don't know how much he uses them. I recall seeing him touch the speaker cabinet with the guitar's neck or headstock during one of the KC double-trio gigs so that guitar probably didn't have a built-in sustainer. In case you don't know, Twang Bar King and Lone Rhino have *finally* been released on CD as Japanese imports and are available directly from the artist at http://www.adrianbelew.net . Sadly, Young Lions seems to now be out of print but is worth checking out for "Pretty Pink Rose", "Men in Helicopters", and especially "I Am What I Am", if you like his fuzz/sustain/tone/technique. Sorry to take so much bandwidth. Back to looping, Nick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 18:13:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07NB3A08476; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 18:11:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 18:11:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <001301c3d569$6df745b0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> References: <001301c3d569$6df745b0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ken Hawkins Subject: Re: King crimson stuff Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 15:10:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thought all you belew heads out there might like this: http://www.generalguitargadgets.com/ftm.html i know that i did! ken; On Jan 7, 2004, at 1:58 PM, Alan Kroeger wrote: > Well I'm glad somebody can keep track of this stuff I wonder whether > the Red > FTM ha had was custom or some sort of model change? > > Thanks S > > -----Original Message----- > From: stanitarium@earthlink.net [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 4:45 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: King crimson stuff > > > here is a quote from Guitar Player jan.'84: > AB describing his onstage/studio equipment p.80- > ...number 3 is my Foxx[Tone Machine]fuzztone. That's the sound in "Big > Electric Cat" and "Paint the Road". "i always use it w/ the high octave > sustain switch on. its my favorite effect, and not an easy one to find > these > days. i'm also daisy-chaining the Foxx-tone into an MXR 10-band graphic > equalizer so that i can eq it." i know i'm getting into minutia here > but AB > is/was a great looper guitar guy,so... s > >> I had always been under the assumption that he got the octave sound >> out of the GR300 myself but, since someone brought up the possibility >> of the Foxx Tone Machine. I got to thinking that it could possibly be >> that or maybe he just conciously or unconciously modeled his GR patch >> around the FTM sound or something like it. The tune I was thinking >> about was Paint The Road from Twang Bar King. >> >> Thanks Guys >> Another Belewaholic ;D >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] >> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:29 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: King crimson stuff >> >> >> At one point in the early 80's, and memory fails me when exactly, AB >> had an Ibanez HD1000 Harmonizer Harmonics Delay. I remember talking >> about it with, and buying one from, Reeves Gabrels when he was working >> at Wurlitzer on Newbury Street back in 1986. >> >> The Roland GR300 of that era also would create pitch-shifted tones +/- >> octaves >> >> And then AB also is a superlative slide-guitar player, and he would >> often go beyond the fretboard. >> >> I hope that helps. >> >> David Kirkdorffer >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Alan Kroeger" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:11 PM >> Subject: RE: King crimson stuff >> >> >>> Red? Hmm!, the one I had in the 70's was blue (maybe there was >>> another version or it was customized) but, I did love that thing (it >>> still had a slightly ugly fuzz sound) the octave thing was cool (wish >>> I still had it $$$). Do you think that was what he was using to get >>> those sounds on Lone Rhino and/or Twang Bar King? I ain't much for >>> persuing those trivia details ;D >>> >>> Heres a pic the same as the one I had >>> http://www.tonefrenzy.com/2/images/gear/fox_tonemachine1%20copy.JPG >>> >>> I might have to think about duplicating this on one of my DSP boxes >>> cause >> it >>> is cool sounding. >>> >>> Some circuits that supposedly replicate it >>> http://www.runoffgroove.com/ftm.html >>> http://www.generalguitargadgets.com/ftm.html >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: stanitarium@earthlink.net [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 2:40 PM >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Subject: Re: King crimson stuff >>> >>> >>> hey bein a belewaholic since the 80s maybe i know... >>> every interview in print that i have from the days of elephant talk >>> adrian talks about his 'foxx tone machine' for those upper octavee >>> thingees-it works like the roger mayer 'octavia'-fuzz plus octave. >>> and its red and >> fuzzy >>> :-) >>> s >>> >>>> No Harmonizer - He just uses the guitar to really get up there - you >>>> should try to locate the Live in Mexico official bootleg - he does a >>>> killer high pitched distorted feedback squeal solo on "Three of a >>>> Perfect Pair" - and if you can find the old video he made in the >>>> 80's you can see how he gets a lot of his sound with minimal effects >>>> although his rack at that time was the size of a fridge :) >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] >>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 6:18 AM >>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>> Subject: RE: King crimson stuff >>>> >>>> hes obviously also using some sort of harmonizer to >>>> get those really high pitched notes but what intrigues >>>> me is that you cannot hear the artifacts you usually >>>> hear from such devices >>>> louie >>>> --- Glenn Poorman wrote: >>>>> I think that second solo is pure guitar with some >>>>> good >>>>> fat distortion and compression. >>>>> >>>>> Glenn >>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:39 AM >>>>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: King crimson stuff >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanx Caleb >>>>>> Yes i am aware that they both used Roland synths >>>>> and >>>>>> in Elephant talk is really clear the synth solo >>>>> from >>>>>> fripp but the second solo is the one that >>>>> intrigues >>>>>> me... >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> Louie >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ===== >>>> www.luis-angulo.com >>>> >>>> __________________________________ >>>> Do you Yahoo!? >>>> Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes >>>> http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 18:31:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07NQW411077; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 18:26:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 18:26:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: King crimson stuff Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 18:26:31 -0500 Message-ID: <001401c3d575$ae9535d0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20040107223329.48946.qmail@web21323.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i07NQWk11044 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Okay you gearheads you gave me some more Gas I might just have to look into this French Toast toy (certainly cheap enough).The Danelectro sounds cheaper then building your own and the circuitry in the original certainly wasn't all that advanced or that good sounding through the Fender Twin I ran it through then ;D -----Original Message----- From: Greg House [mailto:ghunicycle@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 5:33 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: King crimson stuff I've heard that the relatively inexpensive Danelectro French Toast was designed to sound like the Foxx Tone Machine. I enjoy using mine sometimes, but I've never played a real FTM to compare it to. Greg --- stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > here is a quote from Guitar Player jan.'84: > AB describing his onstage/studio equipment p.80- > ...number 3 is my Foxx[Tone Machine]fuzztone. That's the sound in "Big > Electric Cat" and "Paint the Road". "i always use it w/ the high > octave sustain switch on. its my favorite effect, and not an easy one > to find these days. i'm also daisy-chaining the Foxx-tone into an MXR > 10-band graphic equalizer so that i can eq it." i know i'm getting > into minutia here but AB is/was a great looper guitar guy,so... > s > > > I had always been under the assumption that he got the octave sound > > out of the GR300 myself but, since someone brought up the > > possibility of the Foxx Tone Machine. I got to thinking that it > > could possibly be that or maybe he just conciously or unconciously > > modeled his GR patch around the FTM sound or something like it. The > > tune I was thinking about was Paint The Road from Twang Bar King. > > > > Thanks Guys > > Another Belewaholic ;D > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:29 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: King crimson stuff > > > > > > At one point in the early 80's, and memory fails me when exactly, AB > > had an Ibanez HD1000 Harmonizer Harmonics Delay. I remember talking > > about it with, and buying one from, Reeves Gabrels when he was > > working at Wurlitzer on Newbury Street back in 1986. > > > > The Roland GR300 of that era also would create pitch-shifted tones > > +/- octaves > > > > And then AB also is a superlative slide-guitar player, and he would > > often go beyond the fretboard. > > > > I hope that helps. > > > > David Kirkdorffer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alan Kroeger" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:11 PM > > Subject: RE: King crimson stuff > > > > > >> Red? Hmm!, the one I had in the 70's was blue (maybe there was > >> another version or it was customized) but, I did love that thing > >> (it still had a slightly ugly fuzz sound) the octave thing was cool > >> (wish I still had it $$$). Do you think that was what he was using > >> to get those sounds on Lone Rhino and/or Twang Bar King? I ain't > >> much for persuing those trivia details ;D > >> > >> Heres a pic the same as the one I had > >> http://www.tonefrenzy.com/2/images/gear/fox_tonemachine1%20copy.JPG > >> > >> I might have to think about duplicating this on one of my DSP boxes > >> cause > > it > >> is cool sounding. > >> > >> Some circuits that supposedly replicate it > >> http://www.runoffgroove.com/ftm.html > >> http://www.generalguitargadgets.com/ftm.html > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: stanitarium@earthlink.net [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 2:40 PM > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Subject: Re: King crimson stuff > >> > >> > >> hey bein a belewaholic since the 80s maybe i know... > >> every interview in print that i have from the days of elephant talk > >> adrian talks about his 'foxx tone machine' for those upper octavee > >> thingees-it works like the roger mayer 'octavia'-fuzz plus octave. > >> and its red and > > fuzzy > >> :-) > >> s > >> > >>> No Harmonizer - He just uses the guitar to really get up there - > >>> you should try to locate the Live in Mexico official bootleg - he > >>> does a killer high pitched distorted feedback squeal solo on > >>> "Three of a Perfect Pair" - and if you can find the old video he > >>> made in the 80's you can see how he gets a lot of his sound with > >>> minimal effects although his rack at that time was the size of a > >>> fridge :) > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 6:18 AM > >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>> Subject: RE: King crimson stuff > >>> > >>> hes obviously also using some sort of harmonizer to > >>> get those really high pitched notes but what intrigues > >>> me is that you cannot hear the artifacts you usually > >>> hear from such devices > >>> louie > >>> --- Glenn Poorman wrote: > >>>> I think that second solo is pure guitar with some > >>>> good > >>>> fat distortion and compression. > >>>> > >>>> Glenn > >>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:39 AM > >>>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>>>> Subject: Re: King crimson stuff > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanx Caleb > >>>>> Yes i am aware that they both used Roland synths > >>>> and > >>>>> in Elephant talk is really clear the synth solo > >>>> from > >>>>> fripp but the second solo is the one that > >>>> intrigues > >>>>> me... > >>>>> Cheers > >>>>> Louie > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ===== > >>> www.luis-angulo.com > >>> > >>> __________________________________ > >>> Do you Yahoo!? > >>> Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > >>> http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 22:32:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i083TDV19388; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 22:29:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 22:29:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.162.163.19] X-Originating-Email: [matthewf5@hotmail.com] X-Sender: matthewf5@hotmail.com From: "Matthew Wiley" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP Not Working Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 21:29:06 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2004 03:29:07.0226 (UTC) FILETIME=[9290FFA0:01C3D597] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Turned the EDP on and the loop 4 screen came up and everything was normal, input was getting signal. the front panel buttons won't work when you scroll through the functions, nothing comes up in P1...P2....the front is lit up except for overdub and undo they aren't lit at all. any ideas? thanks -matt _________________________________________________________________ Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work — and yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 22:47:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i083kF021878; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 22:46:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 22:46:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040108034608.85027.qmail@web80206.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 19:46:08 -0800 (PST) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: Re: OT: heavy rack support To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1359.172.155.24.151.1073510624.squirrel@172.155.24.151> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-411221441-1073533568=:83950" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-411221441-1073533568=:83950 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii you can buy these little "L" shaped bits of metal at the hardware store...well, get those and attach some felt to one side (the side that will touch the underside of the rack unit) and screw them into the rack wall. voila! instant support. -jim --0-411221441-1073533568=:83950 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

you can buy these little "L" shaped bits of metal at the hardware store...well, get those and attach some felt to one side (the side that will touch the underside of the rack unit) and screw them into the rack wall.  voila!  instant support.

-jim

--0-411221441-1073533568=:83950-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 23:06:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i08410j25297; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 23:01:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 23:01:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <9AB475EE-418F-11D8-A039-0003930F282A@mlswebworks.com> From: Michael Firman Subject: Re: EDP Not Working Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 22:03:23 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i0840xk25272 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try opening it up and re-seating the memory. When the memory or the EPROMs wiggle out of their sockets (and they do - particularly if you tote the thing around) all sorts of strange behavior ensues. On Jan 7, 2004, at 9:29 PM, Matthew Wiley wrote: > Turned the EDP on and the loop 4 screen came up and everything was > normal, input was getting signal. the front panel buttons won't work > when you scroll through the functions, nothing comes up in > P1...P2....the front is lit up except for overdub and undo they aren't > lit at all. any ideas? > > thanks > -matt > > _________________________________________________________________ > Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work — > and yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx > > -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 23:12:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0848ll26430; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 23:08:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 23:08:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003501c3d59d$1df0fbe0$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: <001401c3d575$ae9535d0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> Subject: Re: King crimson stuff Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 23:08:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually, that pedal replaced my tone machine. When I bought it I had a TM, plus 2 Foxx Fuzz/Oct/Wahs. I now have 2 danelectro and none of the foxx's as the bypassing is terrible on them(and to mod it to TB would have killed the resale value). I A/B'd the Foxx with the danelectro at the shop I bought them from and everyone was more then a little impressed at the danelectro. Then again, maybe I had a bunch of weak examples. these are vintage pedals we are talking about(Quality control? what is that?) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 23:15:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i084DqO27163; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 23:13:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 23:13:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20040107211702.052ba650@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 22:12:55 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Alesis Akira (rack-mount Ineko)... In-Reply-To: <009701c3620c$0e36ae20$b963f93f@global> References: <200308132350.h7DNovF01593@hemlock.violacea.com> <009701c3620c$0e36ae20$b963f93f@global> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Since there's been a previous thread on the Alesis Ineko and its rather remarkable loop-mangleage (izzat a word?) capabilities, I thought I'd send in a heads-up that the Alesis Akira is currently on closeout for $199 at a variety of places. If anybody wants to beat their local dealer down on a price match, the cheapest I've seen it is $179 at 8th Street Music ( http://www.8thstreet.com/prod.asp?pid=8906 ) and musicalistruments4less.com ( http://www.musicalinstruments4less.com/49807944/m4_954532879.html ). Be cautious of that last link, however, as they're working in conjunction with Music123.com, and I can verify that Music123 is out of stock. The Alesis Akira is basically a 1U rack-mount version of the Ineko. The other main differences are that it features balanced(!) stereo 1/4" TRS jacks with I/O adjustable from -10dB to +4 dBu, better frequency response specs, an extra 50 memory locations that are user-programmable, an internal switched power supply, and a bypass jack. I'm not certain what the MIDI implementation was like on the Ineko, but the Akira has support for program change and continuous controller assignment for the X, Y, & Z knobs (there's not a heckuva lot more to edit on the Ineko/Akira). I just ordered one as a substitute for the Kaos Pad I've been using in my Repeater's effects loop. Not that I have any difficulty with my KP1 other than the fact that I've got too many widgets/pedals hanging out of my rack already, and I needed something rack-mountable (one less thing to plug in/set up onstage). The Akira has about umpteen different whacked-out effects, perfect for twisting loops inside out (a *frequency shifter*?!? i always thought i'd have to buy a modular synth to get one of those). Anyway, for anyone who was intrigued by the earlier talk of the Ineko but who also cringed at the thought of yet another tabletop box, here's your chance.... -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 00:28:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i085Rwm05652; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 00:27:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 00:27:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FFCEA10.90201@iinet.net.au> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 13:26:40 +0800 From: mjnoble User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: used edp - strange humming References: <9AB475EE-418F-11D8-A039-0003930F282A@mlswebworks.com> In-Reply-To: <9AB475EE-418F-11D8-A039-0003930F282A@mlswebworks.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, An aquaitance of mine happened to have a an edp just sitting around which was rescued from a tech disposal at the music store he works at (yes, it was going to be thrown out!). Thing is, he is prepared to sell it to me at a potentially unbeatable price. Are there any caveats to look for when buying a used edp. Its maxed out in memory already, has no footpedal, but appears to be working perfectly except for a loud electromechanical sounding humming coming from the lid near the power supply. It only hums when the lid is on the unit however - without the lid it seems like a perfectly operational edp. Anybody out there have any ideas what this humming might be? Do all edps hum like this? I wouldn't want to buy the unit and have it die on me straight away, as getting it fixed here in Australia might not be the easiest thing. thanks in advance for any replies, Michael Noble From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 05:45:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i08AhEM18460; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 05:43:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 05:43:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-15.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1073558527!6269778 X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.15; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533E62@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: foxx-tone (was King crimson stuff) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 10:34:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3D5D3.0C36F590" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3D5D3.0C36F590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Red? Hmm!, the one I had in the 70's was blue (maybe there was another version or it was customized) but, I did love that thing (it still had a slightly ugly fuzz sound) the octave thing was cool<< a few years ago, the guitarist from brit-pop band "dodgy" presented me with one of these things, in black furry fabric over a basic tin box, and told me that ian broudie (of "the lightning seeds", and then in the producer's chair) had lent it to him and wanted it back. so could I dismantle it and copy the essential part (the octaver) into the front-end of this EH big muff? I hated the idea of making a hole in the pi-box, which hadn't then been "reissued" and had something of a holy status for me, but I went ahead and copied the octaver circuit from the foxx. essentially, it's a phase-splitter. that is, the incoming waveform is amplified using a single-stage transistor amplifier, with outputs taken from both collector-side and emitter-side of the circuit. these waveforms are the same shape but 180deg out of phase. one is quite a bit smaller than the other too, as I recall. both signals are boosted up into pretty horrible near-symmetrical rectangular waveforms and then half-wave rectified so that each positive-going half-cycle of the "original" waveform ends up "represented" twice in the output waveform. I may still have a sketch of this somewhere.... the whole thing uses about five transistors and a few germanium diodes- I remember trying a few of these to get the right tone. a few months later, I tried to build another one and couldn't make it work at all. the one I did get going was duly installed with an extra switch in the aforementioned big muff and was particularly good at emphasizing the higher harmonics of regular playing aswell as making played harmonics incredibly loud. so it wouldn't surprise me if mr belew used one of these to assist his technique, which (as far as I can tell from bowie and KC perfs I've seen) relies on loads of gain and a considered stance in front of carefully-arranged amps. d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3D5D3.0C36F590 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: foxx-tone (was King crimson stuff)

>>Red? Hmm!, the one I had in the 70's was blue (ma= ybe there was another
version or it was customized) but, I did love that thing= (it still had a
slightly ugly fuzz sound) the octave thing was cool<&= lt;

a few years ago, the guitarist from brit-pop band "d= odgy" presented me with one of these things, in black furry fabric ove= r a basic tin box, and told me that ian broudie (of "the lightning see= ds", and then in the producer's chair) had lent it to him and wanted i= t back.

so could I dismantle it and copy the essential part (the = octaver) into the front-end of this EH big muff?

I hated the idea of making a hole in the pi-box, which ha= dn't then been "reissued" and had something of a holy status for = me, but I went ahead and copied the octaver circuit from the foxx. <= /P>

essentially, it's a phase-splitter. that is, the incoming= waveform is amplified using a single-stage transistor amplifier, with outp= uts taken from both collector-side and emitter-side of the circuit. these w= aveforms are the same shape but 180deg out of phase. one is quite a bit sma= ller than the other too, as I recall.

both signals are boosted up into pretty horrible near-sym= metrical rectangular waveforms and then half-wave rectified so that each po= sitive-going half-cycle of the "original" waveform ends up "= represented" twice in the output waveform.

I may still have a sketch of this somewhere....

the whole thing uses about five transistors and a few ger= manium diodes- I remember trying a few of these to get the right tone.

a few months later, I tried to build another one and coul= dn't make it work at all. the one I did get going was duly installed with a= n extra switch in the aforementioned big muff and was particularly good at = emphasizing the higher harmonics of regular playing aswell as making played= harmonics incredibly loud. so it wouldn't surprise me if mr belew used one= of these to assist his technique, which (as far as I can tell from bowie a= nd KC perfs I've seen) relies on loads of gain and a considered stance in f= ront of carefully-arranged amps.

d.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C3D5D3.0C36F590-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 06:27:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i08BQGn25839; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 06:26:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 06:26:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <7148CA70-41CD-11D8-B825-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Eric Williamson Subject: my organ trio looping rig pic gallery Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 05:26:03 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Resent-Message-ID: <9okW9D.A.oTG.Y5T__@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the Suit & Tie Guy Band is currently a "traditional" (haha) soul/jazz/reggae organ trio in which both the organist and guitarist are textural loopers who manage to invoke textural looping in a cover band context. i just put up a gallery of photos of my organ/looping rig on my site and thought i'd post a link to it here on the list (as i believe this would be "on-topic"): http://www.suitandtieguy.com/sights/stgb_gig_rig/ the Moog Liberation is used for soloing and looping. it feeds into the Echo Pro (for the simple delay and looper algorithm), which then gets pumped into the preamp of my organ (post-expression pedal), then the whole mess goes into the leslie. i'm very happy that i currently have such a wide tone palette which takes up no more stage space than my organ already does. and there's still room for the tip jar! i would love to haul out the dual looper rack with the Eventide and whatnot, but i currently don't have stage space in the bar we're playing at now. i use the looper heavily during dub tunes (Summertime, and "Dub Force Rising" .. a Star Wars medley) and slow funk jams (Isaac Hayes tunes for example). I'm going to try to record my gig this sunday, so if anyone wants to hear looped Moog through a Leslie please comment or privately email and i'll post some links here next week. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 08:35:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i08DWKx13807; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 08:32:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 08:32:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT: heavy rack support Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 08:32:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3D5EB.D474EF90" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3D5EB.D474EF90 Content-Type: text/plain These hold racks pretty good. They look nice too: http://tinyurl.com/2ede5 -DM >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Justin Fobes [mailto:JustinFobes@JustinFobesMusic.com] >>Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 4:24 PM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Re: OT: heavy rack support >> >>Daryl, >> >>Yes you should be concerned! >> >>There should be rear mounting brackets attatched to the >>heavier pieces, if not, contact your case Manufacturer for >>the supports. >> >>Probably not much help, but hey, you get what you pay for! >> >>-Justin >>http://www.JustinFobesMusic.com >> >> >>Daryl wrote: >>> >>> I just bought a 16-space shockmount rack for my studio equipment. >>> There's some fairly heavy gear I'm going to want in there, and it's >>> going to be chock-full, so I'm concerned about all the gear hanging >>> from the front rails. The rack has rear rails too, so I'd think I >>> could find some supports that would connect between the two to >>> distribute the weight. Should I be concerned? Anyone run >>into this and find a solution? >>> >>> Daryl Shawn >>> highhorse@mhorse.com >>> >>> >> >> >> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3D5EB.D474EF90 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: OT: heavy rack support

These hold racks pretty good. They look nice = too:

http://tinyurl.com/2ede5

-DM

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Justin Fobes [mailto:JustinFobes@Just= inFobesMusic.com]
>>Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 4:24 = PM
>>To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>Subject: Re: OT: heavy rack support
>>
>>Daryl,
>>
>>Yes you should be concerned!
>>
>>There should be rear mounting brackets = attatched to the
>>heavier pieces, if not, contact your case = Manufacturer for
>>the supports.
>>
>>Probably not much help, but hey, you get = what you pay for!
>>
>>-Justin
>>http://www.JustinFobesMusic.com
>>
>>
>>Daryl wrote:
>>>
>>> I just bought a 16-space shockmount = rack for my studio equipment.
>>> There's some fairly heavy gear I'm = going to want in there, and it's
>>> going to be chock-full, so I'm = concerned about all the gear hanging
>>> from the front rails.  The rack = has rear rails too, so I'd think I
>>> could find some supports that would = connect between the two to
>>> distribute the weight.  Should I = be concerned?  Anyone run
>>into this and find a solution?
>>>
>>> Daryl Shawn
>>> highhorse@mhorse.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>

------_=_NextPart_001_01C3D5EB.D474EF90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 12:06:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i08H4o719247; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:04:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:04:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 12:01:52 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: King crimson stuff To: "L. Angulo" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <024f01c3d609$a5ac7b60$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20040107115139.34294.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7Ao6VD.A.hsE.y2Y__@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > So a question for you K.C. freaks: id like links or > info to the short 5/8 looped interlocking stuff they > are doing and also what the hell is adrian using to > get those ultra high pitched distorted sounds on solos > like elephant talk,neurotica or neil jack and me? Is > that a guitar or a synth? Re. "5/8 looped interlocking stuff." I've seen transcriptions somewhere of "Discipline" if you want to get their exact notes. Perhaps easier is to actually experience the concept with a fellow guitarist: Guitar One plays, ferexample, an A minor pentatonic scale, even eighth notes, from low A up to G (A-C-D-E-G). Guitar Two plays *almost* the exact same line with one extra note (A-C-D-E-D-G). The two "loops" go in and out of phase - six reps of the 5/8 line and five reps of the 6/8 line equals one complete cycle of the pattern. Once you dig the concept *and can actually do it on your chosen musical instrument with a fellow musician* you can expand and expand. Re. Belew's high squeals. String held against polepiece of neck or middle pickup while using bridge pickup for signal. And/or microphonic feedback from pickups. And/or the unique warble of the Roland JC-120 amp in Chorus mode. And/or the pull-neck-backwards-until-strings-fret-out-against-fretboard technique. I've seen Ade several times crouch near the JC-120 and get different notes by holding his guitar at different angles. Important again: dig the concept, not the color of the fluff on his stomp box. All this stuff can be done with a ProCo Rat and a Boss Chorus pedal if you want. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 12:34:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i08HWC323158; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:32:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:32:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FFD928E.9000909@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 09:25:34 -0800 From: Daryl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: heavy rack support References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000807010909000307060909" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000807010909000307060909 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the various advices. SKB doesn't stock any supports, but I may try the homebrew L-bracket trick. Funny, I think I've seen Dan's suggestion in use before, but I've never been able to find one to fit MY rack... Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com > These hold racks pretty good. They look nice too: > > http://tinyurl.com/2ede5 > > -DM > --------------000807010909000307060909 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Thanks for the various advices.  SKB doesn't stock any supports, but I may try the homebrew L-bracket trick.

Funny, I think I've seen Dan's suggestion in use before, but I've never been able to find one to fit MY rack...

Daryl Shawn
highhorse@mhorse.com

RE: OT: heavy rack support

These hold racks pretty good. They look nice too:

http://tinyurl.com/2ede5

-DM


--------------000807010909000307060909-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 12:37:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i08HXd523395; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:33:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:33:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FFD829E.6070607@unguitar.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 17:17:34 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: edp midi sync out Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi everybody, I see my post regarding the strange behaviour of a Fireworx slave to Edp's midi sync passed with no interest, but I need to make some light over the following: Edp Sync=Out Edp Midi out goes into Fireworx midi in Fireworx set to respond midi tempo from Edp's midi channel. Everything goes ok. Now a loop is going, Fireworx is in sync. Whenever I touch any button (multiply, reverse, overdub, mute...) on the efc7, I see the Fireworx panel receives each time a new midi tempo order (which is still the same originally received at the setting of the loop), this thing is a bit annoying as the Fireworx has a sort of "stop and go" with the effects which are following its midi sync. I also suspect this is the cause of the freezing of the Fireworx, after a while. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 12:42:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i08HbYj24232; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:37:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:37:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <56766.129.33.49.251.1073583651.squirrel@webmail.cavesofice.org> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:40:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Re: King crimson stuff From: "Steve Burnett" To: X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Reply-To: burnett@pobox.com X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <2CcOcC.A.f6F.eVZ__@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Douglas Baldwin wrote: > Re. "5/8 looped interlocking stuff." I've seen transcriptions somewhere > of "Discipline" if you want to get their exact notes. Perhaps easier is > to actually experience the concept with a fellow guitarist: > Guitar One plays, ferexample, an A minor pentatonic scale, even eighth > notes, from low A up to G (A-C-D-E-G). > Guitar Two plays *almost* the exact same line with one extra note > (A-C-D-E-D-G). The two "loops" go in and out of phase - six reps of the > 5/8 line and five reps of the 6/8 line equals one complete cycle of the > pattern. Once you dig the concept *and can actually do it on your chosen > musical instrument with a fellow musician* you can expand and expand. I do a simple but similar thing solo on Chapman Stick. I find, say, A, B, C in the bass with my left hand and A, B, C an octave up with the right hand. Then I play whole notes (4-count) of A-B-C-A-B-C with one hand versus 3 quarter-notes each of A-B-C-B with the other hand. I found my looping gear extremely helpful in starting how to do this, or in speeding up: loop one side, play the other side versus the loop, and "ghost" note play the loop until I could turn off the loop and play both patterns at tempo live. Steve Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 12:52:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i08HnKw27875; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:49:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:49:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: edp midi sync out Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:49:16 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: edp midi sync out Thread-Index: AcPWDZTvmvPvFCorRuWnSuiybEZuQgAAWE+A From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2004 17:49:16.0199 (UTC) FILETIME=[BBE95370:01C3D60F] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i08HnIk27839 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well ... I can't speak for anyone else but it's probably not so much that your post passed without interest as much is I simply had no answer for you whatsoever. I do actually use MIDI tempo and sync but I go out to a drum machine. So if the EDP does resend tempo messages when you hit the buttons on the EFC7, I would have never noticed. For starters, you need to find out if, indeed, the EDP does send out tempo messages whenever you hit a button. That's a question best directed to Kim. Also, if memory serves me correctly, those messages go out on all channels so you might try setting the TC units MIDI receive channel to be different than the channel the EDP is receiving/sending on (that is, assuming I'm right about that and that you're not already doing so). Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: Luca Formentini [mailto:luca@unguitar.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 11:18 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: edp midi sync out > > Hi everybody, > I see my post regarding the strange behaviour of a Fireworx slave to > Edp's midi sync passed with no interest, but I need to make some light > over the following: > Edp Sync=Out > Edp Midi out goes into Fireworx midi in > Fireworx set to respond midi tempo from Edp's midi channel. > Everything goes ok. > Now a loop is going, Fireworx is in sync. > Whenever I touch any button (multiply, reverse, overdub, mute...) on the > efc7, I see the Fireworx panel receives each time a new midi tempo order > (which is still the same originally received at the setting of the > loop), this thing is a bit annoying as the Fireworx has a sort of "stop > and go" with the effects which are following its midi sync. > I also suspect this is the cause of the freezing of the Fireworx, after > a while. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > Luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 13:43:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i08Ie8N04731; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:40:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:40:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen " To: Subject: RE: EDP Not Working Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:40:12 -0000 Message-ID: <002b01c3d616$da23a6e0$0100a8c0@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <2APaTD.A.xJB.IQa__@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try re-set; boot-up with the parameters button held in and wait until it's completed the boot cycle. Then turn off/on again and see if that helped. Beige or blackface model? -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Wiley [mailto:matthewf5@hotmail.com] Sent: 08 January 2004 03:29 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP Not Working Turned the EDP on and the loop 4 screen came up and everything was normal, input was getting signal. the front panel buttons won't work when you scroll through the functions, nothing comes up in P1...P2....the front is lit up except for overdub and undo they aren't lit at all. any ideas? thanks -matt _________________________________________________________________ Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work - and yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 13:44:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i08If4v04873; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:41:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:41:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c3d616$d0311cd0$0100a8c0@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <3FFD829E.6070607@unguitar.com> Subject: Re: edp midi sync out Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 19:39:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey uca what is the tempo source in the fireworks ? be sure to set it to midi clock and _not_ to tap tempo as it seems (you say fw set to edp channel BUT midi clock is NOT channel relevant) so you probably better set it on another channel...;=) btw I dont have a fw but a GForce and I'm guessing have a nice day Claude I'll be back to you very soon concerning the rivolta gig.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luca Formentini" To: Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 5:17 PM Subject: edp midi sync out > Hi everybody, > I see my post regarding the strange behaviour of a Fireworx slave to > Edp's midi sync passed with no interest, but I need to make some light > over the following: > Edp Sync=Out > Edp Midi out goes into Fireworx midi in > Fireworx set to respond midi tempo from Edp's midi channel. > Everything goes ok. > Now a loop is going, Fireworx is in sync. > Whenever I touch any button (multiply, reverse, overdub, mute...) on the > efc7, I see the Fireworx panel receives each time a new midi tempo order > (which is still the same originally received at the setting of the > loop), this thing is a bit annoying as the Fireworx has a sort of "stop > and go" with the effects which are following its midi sync. > I also suspect this is the cause of the freezing of the Fireworx, after > a while. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > Luca > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 13:44:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i08IbUs04387; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:37:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:37:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen " To: Subject: RE: used edp - strange humming Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:37:27 -0000 Message-ID: <002a01c3d616$7b038a40$0100a8c0@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <3FFCEA10.90201@iinet.net.au> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yup, they all have this mechanical hum to a degree and it's just the laminations in the mains transformer vibrating. I've never had a unit fail due to the mains transformer so it is nothing to worry about. Most units have some foam tape on the top of the transformer so it gets 'sandwiched' by the lid and reduces the vibration to a level that is not noticed. Some earlier units did not have the foam tape fitted. You can quite easily fit this yourself with some suitable sticky-backed foam about 2-3mm thick. Hope this puts your mind at ease; go buy this bargain EDP! Andy, EDP Production Manager. -----Original Message----- From: mjnoble [mailto:not8ohm@iinet.net.au] Sent: 08 January 2004 05:27 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: used edp - strange humming Hi folks, An aquaitance of mine happened to have a an edp just sitting around which was rescued from a tech disposal at the music store he works at (yes, it was going to be thrown out!). Thing is, he is prepared to sell it to me at a potentially unbeatable price. Are there any caveats to look for when buying a used edp. Its maxed out in memory already, has no footpedal, but appears to be working perfectly except for a loud electromechanical sounding humming coming from the lid near the power supply. It only hums when the lid is on the unit however - without the lid it seems like a perfectly operational edp. Anybody out there have any ideas what this humming might be? Do all edps hum like this? I wouldn't want to buy the unit and have it die on me straight away, as getting it fixed here in Australia might not be the easiest thing. thanks in advance for any replies, Michael Noble From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 13:45:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i08Ifj104982; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:41:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:41:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen " To: Subject: RE: EDP Not Working Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:41:51 -0000 Message-ID: <002c01c3d617$1512c790$0100a8c0@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <9AB475EE-418F-11D8-A039-0003930F282A@mlswebworks.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <_Jcp7.A.tNB.pRa__@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yup, this sorts out 99% of misbehaving EDPs. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Firman [mailto:maf@mlswebworks.com] Sent: 08 January 2004 04:03 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Not Working Try opening it up and re-seating the memory. When the memory or the EPROMs wiggle out of their sockets (and they do - particularly if you tote the thing around) all sorts of strange behavior ensues. On Jan 7, 2004, at 9:29 PM, Matthew Wiley wrote: > Turned the EDP on and the loop 4 screen came up and everything was > normal, input was getting signal. the front panel buttons won't work > when you scroll through the functions, nothing comes up in > P1...P2....the front is lit up except for overdub and undo they aren't > lit at all. any ideas? > > thanks > -matt > > _________________________________________________________________ > Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work - > and yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx > > -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 13:52:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i08ImMU06104; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:48:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:48:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen " To: Subject: RE: OT: heavy rack support Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:48:26 -0000 Message-ID: <002d01c3d618$01ad0020$0100a8c0@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <1359.172.155.24.151.1073510624.squirrel@172.155.24.151> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Indeed; I have seen more than my fair share of totally bent rack-ears if heavy gear is not rear-supported. In extreme cases, this can bust PCBs that are attached to the front panels of some units. If this is not possible, make sure the rack is full with the heaviest units at the bottom. If the rack is strong enough the whole lot sandwiches together. For those paying particularly close attention, 'sandwich' is the word for today. -----Original Message----- From: Justin Fobes [mailto:JustinFobes@JustinFobesMusic.com] Sent: 07 January 2004 21:24 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: heavy rack support Daryl, Yes you should be concerned! There should be rear mounting brackets attatched to the heavier pieces, if not, contact your case Manufacturer for the supports. Probably not much help, but hey, you get what you pay for! -Justin http://www.JustinFobesMusic.com Daryl wrote: > > I just bought a 16-space shockmount rack for my studio equipment. > There's some fairly heavy gear I'm going to want in there, and it's > going to be chock-full, so I'm concerned about all the gear hanging from > the front rails. The rack has rear rails too, so I'd think I could find > some supports that would connect between the two to distribute the > weight. Should I be concerned? Anyone run into this and find a solution? > > Daryl Shawn > highhorse@mhorse.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 13:57:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i08Ir8J07091; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:53:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:53:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <001501c3d618$1433bcc0$8461fe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: Subject: EDP not working Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 07:41:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0073_01C3D5BA.CC84E280" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C3D5BA.CC84E280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi folks, in fact the sockets for the memory are probably the tackiest quality = I=B4ve ever seen. When my friend Frank - who is a noted computer tech - = replaced the original 4 mb with 16 mb SIMMs, he didn=B4t manage to get = the original components out of their sockets. Using more force after = tender and careful pulling resulted in contact brackets from the sockets = getting loose. We were in for a sweat when we fixed this by reseating = the contacts and prayed it would work after that. Luckily it did but... = the other EDP had exactly the same problem. Luckily I knew what was = about to happen. Upgrading the Jam Man was a good deal easier. Stephen / [=B4ramp] ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Michael Firman" To: Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 5:03 AM Subject: Re: EDP Not Working >=20 > Try opening it up and re-seating the memory. When the memory or the=20 > EPROMs wiggle > out of their sockets (and they do - particularly if you tote the thing = > around) all sorts of > strange behavior ensues. >=20 > On Jan 7, 2004, at 9:29 PM, Matthew Wiley wrote: >=20 > > Turned the EDP on and the loop 4 screen came up and everything was=20 > > normal, input was getting signal. the front panel buttons won't = work=20 > > when you scroll through the functions, nothing comes up in=20 > > P1...P2....the front is lit up except for overdub and undo they = aren't=20 > > lit at all. any ideas? > > > > thanks > > -matt > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work - = > > and yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx > > > > > -- > | Michael A. Firman > | maf@mlswebworks.com > | http://www.mlswebworks.com >=20 "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re a = plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C3D5BA.CC84E280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi folks,
 
in fact the sockets for the memory are probably the tackiest = quality I=B4ve=20 ever seen. When my friend Frank - who is a noted computer tech - = replaced=20 the original 4 mb with 16 mb SIMMs, he didn=B4t manage to get the = original=20 components out of their sockets. Using more force after tender and = careful=20 pulling resulted in contact brackets from the sockets getting loose. We = were in=20 for a sweat when we fixed this by reseating the contacts and prayed = it=20 would work after that. Luckily it did but... the other EDP had exactly = the same=20 problem. Luckily I knew what was about to happen.
 
Upgrading the Jam Man was a good deal easier.
 
Stephen / [=B4ramp]
 
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Michael Firman" <maf@mlswebworks.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 5:03 AM
Subject: Re: EDP Not Working

>
> Try opening it up and re-seating the = memory. When=20 the memory or the
> EPROMs wiggle
> out of their sockets = (and they=20 do - particularly if you tote the thing
> around) all sorts = of
>=20 strange behavior ensues.
>
> On Jan 7, 2004, at 9:29 PM, = Matthew=20 Wiley wrote:
>
> > Turned the EDP on and the loop 4 = screen came=20 up and everything was
> > normal, input was getting = signal.  the=20 front panel buttons won't work
> > when you scroll through the = functions, nothing comes up in
> > P1...P2....the front is lit = up=20 except for overdub and undo they aren't
> > lit at all.  = any=20 ideas?
> >
> > thanks
> > -matt
> = >
>=20 > = _________________________________________________________________
>= =20 > Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work = - =20
> > and yourself.   http://special.msn.= com/msnbc/workingmom.armx
>=20 >
> >
> --
> | Michael A. Firman
> | maf@mlswebworks.com
> | http://www.mlswebworks.com
>= ;=20
 
 
"Human beings are a disease, the cancer = of this=20 planet, you=B4re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith /=20 Matrix)
 
Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at = www.doombient.com
------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C3D5BA.CC84E280-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 13:59:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i08IrB107133; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:53:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:53:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <001601c3d618$157a4680$8461fe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: Subject: New track online Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 07:43:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007B_01C3D5BB.28062D80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <5S1lxB.A.SvB.Wca__@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01C3D5BB.28062D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi folks, we put a snippet from our latest release "doombient.one -- verbrannte = erde" on our website www.doombient.com. Go to the outlets section, click = on doombient.one and then go to the speaker icon. There=B4s a lot of = heavy looping (EDPs and Jammen) and processing (Repeater) plus loads of = vintage analog and digital gear. Happy gearspotting. Enjoy, Stephen. "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re a = plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01C3D5BB.28062D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi folks,
 
we put a snippet from our latest = release=20 "doombient.one -- verbrannte erde" on our website www.doombient.com. Go to the = outlets=20 section, click on doombient.one and then go to the speaker = icon. There=B4s a=20 lot of heavy looping (EDPs and Jammen) and processing (Repeater) = plus loads=20 of vintage analog and digital gear. Happy gearspotting. = Enjoy,
 
Stephen.
 
 
 
"Human beings are a disease, the cancer = of this=20 planet, you=B4re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith /=20 Matrix)
 
Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at = www.doombient.com
------=_NextPart_000_007B_01C3D5BB.28062D80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 14:16:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i08JDSt13174; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 14:13:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 14:13:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen " To: Subject: RE: EDP not working Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 19:13:33 -0000 Message-ID: <003301c3d61b$82d40560$0100a8c0@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01C3D61B.82D40560" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <001501c3d618$1433bcc0$8461fe91@synthhost> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C3D61B.82D40560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have to admit that the quality of the SIMM sockets in some EDPs is questionable and in recent years this is due to the difficulty in getting hold of good ones. Most manufacturers stopped making them years ago so you have to search the grey-market for old stock. We actually binned loads of them over the years as returning them was not usually an option. I have always tried to use the best we could get, with nice shiny contacts and good clamps but this only covers the last 5 years production; I can=92t comment on pre my involvement, (which may cover = your units as most of the ones we made had 16MB as sandwich)=20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: wavecomputer360 [mailto:wavecomputer360@gmx.de]=20 Sent: 08 January 2004 06:41 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP not working =20 hi folks, =20 in fact the sockets for the memory are probably the tackiest quality I=B4ve ever seen. When my friend Frank - who is a noted computer tech - replaced the original 4 mb with 16 mb SIMMs, he didn=B4t manage to get = the original components out of their sockets. Using more force after tender and careful pulling resulted in contact brackets from the sockets getting loose. We were in for a sweat when we fixed this by reseating the contacts and prayed it would work after that. Luckily it did but... the other EDP had exactly the same problem. Luckily I knew what was about to happen. =20 Upgrading the Jam Man was a good deal easier. =20 Stephen / [=B4ramp] =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Michael Firman" To: Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 5:03 AM Subject: Re: EDP Not Working =20 >=20 > Try opening it up and re-seating the memory. When the memory or the=20 > EPROMs wiggle > out of their sockets (and they do - particularly if you tote the thing > around) all sorts of > strange behavior ensues. >=20 > On Jan 7, 2004, at 9:29 PM, Matthew Wiley wrote: >=20 > > Turned the EDP on and the loop 4 screen came up and everything was=20 > > normal, input was getting signal. the front panel buttons won't work=20 > > when you scroll through the functions, nothing comes up in=20 > > P1...P2....the front is lit up except for overdub and undo they aren't=20 > > lit at all. any ideas? > > > > thanks > > -matt > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work - > > and yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx > > > > > -- > | Michael A. Firman > | maf@mlswebworks.com > | http://www.mlswebworks.com >=20 =20 =20 "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re a = plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) =20 Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C3D61B.82D40560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have to admit that the quality of = the SIMM sockets in some EDPs is questionable and in recent years this is = due to the difficulty in getting hold of good ones. Most manufacturers stopped = making them years ago so you have to search the grey-market for old stock. We = actually binned loads of them over the years as returning them was not usually an option. I have always tried to use the best we could get, with nice = shiny contacts and good clamps but this only covers the last 5 years = production; I can’t comment on pre my involvement, (which may cover your units = as most of the ones we made had 16MB as sandwich)

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: wavecomputer360 [mailto:wavecomputer360@gmx.de]
Sent: 08 January 2004 = 06:41
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: EDP not = working

 

hi = folks,

 

in fact the sockets for the = memory are probably the tackiest quality I=B4ve ever seen. When my friend Frank = - who is a noted computer tech - replaced the original 4 mb with 16 mb = SIMMs, he didn=B4t manage to get the original components out of their sockets. = Using more force after tender and careful pulling resulted in contact brackets from = the sockets getting loose. We were in for a sweat when we fixed this by = reseating the contacts and prayed it would work after that. Luckily it did = but... the other EDP had exactly the same problem. Luckily I knew what was = about to happen.

 

Upgrading the Jam Man was a = good deal easier.

 

Stephen / = [=B4ramp]

 

 

----- Original Message = -----

From: "Michael = Firman" <maf@mlswebworks.com>

Sent: Thursday, January 08, = 2004 5:03 AM

Subject: Re: EDP Not = Working

 

>
> Try opening it up and re-seating the memory. When the memory or the =
> EPROMs wiggle
> out of their sockets (and they do - particularly if you tote the = thing
> around) all sorts of
> strange behavior ensues.
>
> On Jan 7, 2004, at 9:29 PM, Matthew Wiley wrote:
>
> > Turned the EDP on and the loop 4 screen came up and everything = was
> > normal, input was getting signal.  the front panel = buttons won't work
> > when you scroll through the functions, nothing comes up in =
> > P1...P2....the front is lit up except for overdub and undo = they aren't
> > lit at all.  any ideas?
> >
> > thanks
> > -matt
> >
> > = _________________________________________________________________
> > Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, = work - 
> > and yourself.   http://special.msn.= com/msnbc/workingmom.armx
> >
> >
> --
> | Michael A. Firman
> | maf@mlswebworks.com
> | http://www.mlswebworks.com
>

 

 

"Human beings are a = disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re a plague. And we are the cure." = (Agent Smith / Matrix)

 

Visit the official = [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com

------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C3D61B.82D40560-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 14:37:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i08JX5415794; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 14:33:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 14:33:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FFD9E9D.5070802@unguitar.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 19:17:01 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: edp midi sync out References: <3FFD829E.6070607@unguitar.com> <000d01c3d616$d0311cd0$0100a8c0@mini> In-Reply-To: <000d01c3d616$d0311cd0$0100a8c0@mini> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com MY DEAR GENIOUS FRIEND >>>> THAT WAS IT !!!!!!! it was set to receive note ON/OFF.... Don't know how it went there as it has been fully working for months..... maybe my cats ??? 1 wine & 1 Garda Lake's Extravirgin Olive oil cases are waiting for you !!!! Thanks a lot, Luca Claude Voit wrote: >hey uca >what is the tempo source in the fireworks ? >be sure to set it to midi clock and _not_ to tap tempo as it seems (you say >fw set to edp channel BUT midi clock is NOT channel relevant) >so you probably better set it on another channel...;=) >btw I dont have a fw but a GForce and I'm guessing > >have a nice day > >Claude > >I'll be back to you very soon concerning the rivolta gig.... > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Luca Formentini" >To: >Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 5:17 PM >Subject: edp midi sync out > > > > >>Hi everybody, >>I see my post regarding the strange behaviour of a Fireworx slave to >>Edp's midi sync passed with no interest, but I need to make some light >>over the following: >>Edp Sync=Out >>Edp Midi out goes into Fireworx midi in >>Fireworx set to respond midi tempo from Edp's midi channel. >>Everything goes ok. >>Now a loop is going, Fireworx is in sync. >>Whenever I touch any button (multiply, reverse, overdub, mute...) on the >>efc7, I see the Fireworx panel receives each time a new midi tempo order >>(which is still the same originally received at the setting of the >>loop), this thing is a bit annoying as the Fireworx has a sort of "stop >>and go" with the effects which are following its midi sync. >>I also suspect this is the cause of the freezing of the Fireworx, after >>a while. >> >>Any help would be greatly appreciated. >>Luca >> >> >> >> > > >. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 15:21:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i08KH1B22637; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 15:17:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 15:17:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.162.163.19] X-Originating-Email: [matthewf5@hotmail.com] X-Sender: matthewf5@hotmail.com From: "Matthew Wiley" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP Not Working Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 14:16:54 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2004 20:16:54.0494 (UTC) FILETIME=[5BDDDFE0:01C3D624] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the help everyone, i'll try these ASAP and let you know. i haven't had a chance yet. thanks -matt >From: "Andy Ewen " >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: RE: EDP Not Working >Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:41:51 -0000 > >Yup, this sorts out 99% of misbehaving EDPs. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Michael Firman [mailto:maf@mlswebworks.com] >Sent: 08 January 2004 04:03 >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: EDP Not Working > > >Try opening it up and re-seating the memory. When the memory or the >EPROMs wiggle >out of their sockets (and they do - particularly if you tote the thing >around) all sorts of >strange behavior ensues. > >On Jan 7, 2004, at 9:29 PM, Matthew Wiley wrote: > > > Turned the EDP on and the loop 4 screen came up and everything was > > normal, input was getting signal. the front panel buttons won't work > > when you scroll through the functions, nothing comes up in > > P1...P2....the front is lit up except for overdub and undo they aren't > > > lit at all. any ideas? > > > > thanks > > -matt > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work - > > and yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx > > > > >-- >| Michael A. Firman >| maf@mlswebworks.com >| http://www.mlswebworks.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ Tired of slow downloads? Compare online deals from your local high-speed providers now. https://broadband.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 15:27:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i08KNVP23503; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 15:23:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 15:23:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.162.163.19] X-Originating-Email: [matthewf5@hotmail.com] X-Sender: matthewf5@hotmail.com From: "Matthew Wiley" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FCB 1010 For Sale + Extras Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 14:23:25 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2004 20:23:25.0373 (UTC) FILETIME=[44D946D0:01C3D625] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a new in the box Behringer FCB 1010 never used/programmed w/the eprom upgrade. i will throw in a Electroharmonix gig/pedal bag that fits the FCB 1010 nice and snug. A midi cable, blue and extra literature about setting up w/the Repeater. Shipped to you for: $125 -matt _________________________________________________________________ Have fun customizing MSN Messenger — learn how here! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_customize From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 16:07:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i08L4FJ30694; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 16:04:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 16:04:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008101c3d62b$61e6a870$716f4d0c@rockstaryu0fkj> From: "redrum123" To: References: <001501c3d618$1433bcc0$8461fe91@synthhost> Subject: EDP Memory socket broken? Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 16:07:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This little anecdote brings up a problem I've had (used to bother me a lot more, now just an annoyance). My second memory slot seems to have failed. I have an old whiteface EDP i picked up used, with full upgrades, and after reseating the chips once, I noticed that sometimes the loop would eventually (and suddenly) become white noise. Hitting undo a bunch sometimes fixed this, sometimes. I fixed the problem by taking out one of the memory sticks, and have since ran with only half the max memory. Swapping the memory sticks has shown that the problem is not with the memory itself, so i assume the second memory slot is busted. Any reports of this happening for anyone else? Anything I overlooked, or any simple solution? If I ever wanted this repaired, would it be possible? Who would I contact? -gsc. ----- Original Message ----- From: wavecomputer360 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 1:41 AM Subject: EDP not working hi folks, in fact the sockets for the memory are probably the tackiest quality I´ve ever seen. When my friend Frank - who is a noted computer tech - replaced the original 4 mb with 16 mb SIMMs, he didn´t manage to get the original components out of their sockets. Using more force after tender and careful pulling resulted in contact brackets from the sockets getting loose. We were in for a sweat when we fixed this by reseating the contacts and prayed it would work after that. Luckily it did but... the other EDP had exactly the same problem. Luckily I knew what was about to happen. Upgrading the Jam Man was a good deal easier. Stephen / [´ramp] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 16:31:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i08LQdi01357; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 16:26:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 16:26:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008e01c3d62e$1f260190$0601a8c0@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: References: <200401081916.i08JGww13589@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Official Loopers Meeting at NAMM Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:26:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Realizing how difficult it ever is to get a consensus here at Loopers Delight (the cause for most or this wonderful communitie's charm, I think), I e-mailed a suggestion of a meeting place to Ted Killian (who seems to me to be the most sensible and well thought person I know at L.D.) and he agreed for the following reasons: To wit, I would like to propose a formal LOOPERS LUNCHEON at NAMM at 12 NOON at the Starr Labs (#1006, Hall E) Where fellow list member Gary Lehman will be performing We can all round up and make a quick consensus about where to go to grab a bite to eat (probably a big table at the lunch place at NAMM or one of the nearby Hotel restaurants for sake of ease of getting back to the show). Here are Ted's most excellent reasons for this spot and a description of how to get there: "This is probably the easiest spot for folks to find too. Hall E is the furthest left hall (as seen when facing the convention at the main entrance) and on the lower level (down the escalators). And, booth #1006 will be one of the first ones you come to on the furthest left side of the that room too. Hall E is always a lot of fun anyway. That's where all of the freaky new ideas pop up from all of the garage/basement/attic inventors. Sometimes you run into the most interesting new concepts there. Then again some of the ideas are pretty pathetic too. Heheheh. It's also a little quieter that some of the other halls . . . not always but usually." Sound like a plan, gang? We'll see you all there unless there are strenuous objections (speak now or forever hold your peace). Yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 18:11:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i08N8i317669; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:08:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:08:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen " To: Subject: RE: EDP Memory socket broken? Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 23:08:48 -0000 Message-ID: <000101c3d63c$5fdff340$0100a8c0@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <008101c3d62b$61e6a870$716f4d0c@rockstaryu0fkj> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i08N8gk17638 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is caused by a high capacitance on some 9-chip SIMM sticks If you send me your address, I'll send a set of 3-chip SIMMs; this will almost certainly cure the problem. -----Original Message----- From: redrum123 [mailto:redrum123@worldnet.att.net] Sent: 08 January 2004 21:07 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP Memory socket broken? This little anecdote brings up a problem I've had (used to bother me a lot more, now just an annoyance). My second memory slot seems to have failed. I have an old whiteface EDP i picked up used, with full upgrades, and after reseating the chips once, I noticed that sometimes the loop would eventually (and suddenly) become white noise. Hitting undo a bunch sometimes fixed this, sometimes. I fixed the problem by taking out one of the memory sticks, and have since ran with only half the max memory. Swapping the memory sticks has shown that the problem is not with the memory itself, so i assume the second memory slot is busted. Any reports of this happening for anyone else? Anything I overlooked, or any simple solution? If I ever wanted this repaired, would it be possible? Who would I contact? -gsc. ----- Original Message ----- From: wavecomputer360 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 1:41 AM Subject: EDP not working hi folks, in fact the sockets for the memory are probably the tackiest quality I´ve ever seen. When my friend Frank - who is a noted computer tech - replaced the original 4 mb with 16 mb SIMMs, he didn´t manage to get the original components out of their sockets. Using more force after tender and careful pulling resulted in contact brackets from the sockets getting loose. We were in for a sweat when we fixed this by reseating the contacts and prayed it would work after that. Luckily it did but... the other EDP had exactly the same problem. Luckily I knew what was about to happen. Upgrading the Jam Man was a good deal easier. Stephen / [´ramp] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 9 01:03:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0961R313347; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 01:01:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 01:01:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3466.172.175.104.166.1073628088.squirrel@172.175.104.166> In-Reply-To: <001401c3d575$ae9535d0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> References: <20040107223329.48946.qmail@web21323.mail.yahoo.com> <001401c3d575$ae9535d0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 00:01:28 -0600 (CST) Subject: Beat Sync For DL4?? From: "Justin Fobes" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail X-Mailer: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey goddard.duncan@mtvne.com! You wrote: ". . .(incidentally, I am still aiming to introduce midi-clock-derived pulses into my dl4 as a midi version of tap-tempo.)" Ever get it worked out? I'm an eager beaver! :-)= -Justin http://www.JustinFobesMusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 9 01:31:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i096UfX16236; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 01:30:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 01:30:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20040108223001.036117c8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 22:30:59 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Official Loopers Meeting at NAMM In-Reply-To: <008e01c3d62e$1f260190$0601a8c0@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <200401081916.i08JGww13589@hemlock.violacea.com> <008e01c3d62e$1f260190$0601a8c0@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com is there a particular day when this is going to happen? At 01:26 PM 1/8/2004, loop.pool wrote: >To wit, I would like to propose a formal LOOPERS LUNCHEON at NAMM > >at 12 NOON at the > Starr Labs (#1006, Hall E) >Where fellow list member Gary Lehman will be performing > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 9 01:43:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i096eFM17235; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 01:40:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 01:40:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20040108223316.03624940@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 22:40:36 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP not working In-Reply-To: <001501c3d618$1433bcc0$8461fe91@synthhost> References: <001501c3d618$1433bcc0$8461fe91@synthhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:41 PM 1/7/2004, wavecomputer360 wrote: >in fact the sockets for the memory are probably the tackiest quality I´ve >ever seen. they used different sockets in different builds, so that's probably not a very meaningful statement for most people. From the memory config you mention it sounds like your echoplex is really old. >When my friend Frank - who is a noted computer tech - replaced the >original 4 mb with 16 mb SIMMs, he didn´t manage to get the original >components out of their sockets. Using more force after tender and careful >pulling resulted in contact brackets from the sockets getting loose. uh, despite your high regard for this fellow, it sounds like he doesn't know what he is doing. I would not let him in your gear again if I were you. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 9 02:16:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i097FOF21745; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 02:15:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 02:15:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: Official Loopers Meeting at NAMM Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 23:15:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040108223001.036117c8@loopers-delight.com> Thread-Index: AcPWeiMd8esxX5p3TvGq2mxcvqMH4AABWE0g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Uh . . . I think Friday or Saturday is traditionally the Loop lunch-- BTW, I am not sure of my schedule in Harvey's booth, but when folks show up, I hope to get a chance to show what I've been up to--Harvey will be playing, as well as other guests when they show, and I am not sure which days I'll be there, but when we agree on a day, I'll make sure I'm there to chat and nosh (ooh, that food is mediocre and overpriced--maybe meet and go somewhere else to eat, or eat first!). It would be great if we could make it at the StarrLabs booth, tho . . . Makes it easy for me! Gary Kim wondered: is there a particular day when this is going to happen? At 01:26 PM 1/8/2004, loop.pool wrote: >To wit, I would like to propose a formal LOOPERS LUNCHEON at NAMM > >at 12 NOON at the > Starr Labs (#1006, Hall E) >Where fellow list member Gary Lehman will be performing > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 9 05:14:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i09ADLd11208; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 05:13:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 05:13:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040109101315.50207.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 02:13:15 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Message for Loop.pool! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <008e01c3d62e$1f260190$0601a8c0@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Rick, I have mailed you concerning the gigs in california. Please let me know ASAP if you are getting my mails. cu Louie __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 9 05:38:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i09AaN615233; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 05:36:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 05:36:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006201c3d69c$6dd87390$0601a8c0@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: References: <200401091014.i09AEg811383@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: SATURDAY loopers meeting NAMM Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 02:28:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com kim flint wrote: "is there a particular day when this is going to happen?" rick walker replies: "DOH!!! Sorry 'bout dat!" SATURDAY, 12 NOON at 12 NOON at the Starr Labs (#1006, Hall E) TO GET THERE: Hall E is the furthest left hall (as seen when facing the convention at the main entrance) and on the lower level (down the escalators). And, booth #1006 will be one of the first ones you come to on the furthest left side of the that room too. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 9 06:29:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i09BRg322485; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 06:27:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 06:27:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-17.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1073647656!6559053 X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.15; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533E7F@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Beat Sync For DL4?? Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 11:20:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3D6A2.8D323630" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3D6A2.8D323630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Ever get it worked out?<< it is my firm and avowed intention to take the bottom off of my dl4 this weekend and put a voltmeter across the relevant switch. that is, if my dl4 is actually around.... my band's gear is split between our london studio (i.e. my house) and a rehearsal space in stockport, manchester, and I can't quite remember where the dl4 is at. but I'm going to make this happen. I want to develop something very simple- at most, a 3.5mm jack socket and a transistor/opto-isolator/handful of resistors to add either internally or externally to the dl4 (or actually any tap tempo device- the vortex springs to mind, and the dod dimension12, which I've been having a great time with btw). this would be driven by any clock that can make an LED light up... so one might have to add a socket to this other bit of gear too, but I think that's a small price to pay for the functionality. I have mentioned devices that can be bought or built quite cheaply that will derive this pulse from midi-clock, but I'm guessing folks might not need to do this if, for instance, they already have something that's midi-clocked that blinks an LED at the right rate. I have a bunch of midi sequencers that flash their lights and produce gate signals... a more elaborate solution might include a counter circuit that would divide down such a pulse to produce "taps" at half- or quarter- rates. I'm not sure what to do about defeating or modifying this function when the dl4 is switched to sample-mode, because the relevant footswitch is doing something different then. anyway- watch this space. d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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>>Ever get it worked out?<<

it is my firm and avowed intention to take the bottom off= of my dl4 this weekend and put a voltmeter across the relevant switch. tha= t is, if my dl4 is actually around.... my band's gear is split between our = london studio (i.e. my house) and a rehearsal space in stockport, mancheste= r, and I can't quite remember where the dl4 is at. but I'm going to make th= is happen.

I want to develop something very simple- at most, a 3.5mm= jack socket and a transistor/opto-isolator/handful of resistors to add eit= her internally or externally to the dl4 (or actually any tap tempo device- = the vortex springs to mind, and the dod dimension12, which I've been having= a great time with btw).

this would be driven by any clock that can make an LED li= ght up... so one might have to add a socket to this other bit of gear too, = but I think that's a small price to pay for the functionality.

I have mentioned devices that can be bought or built quit= e cheaply that will derive this pulse from midi-clock, but I'm guessing fol= ks might not need to do this if, for instance, they already have something = that's midi-clocked that blinks an LED at the right rate. I have a bunch of= midi sequencers that flash their lights and produce gate signals... a more= elaborate solution might include a counter circuit that would divide down = such a pulse to produce "taps" at half- or quarter- rates.=

I'm not sure what to do about defeating or modifying this= function when the dl4 is switched to sample-mode, because the relevant foo= tswitch is doing something different then.

anyway- watch this space.

d.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C3D6A2.8D323630-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 9 10:03:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i09F1Oq26598; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 10:01:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 10:01:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "mark francombe" To: Subject: quick edp one... Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 16:01:11 +0100 Message-ID: <009601c3d6c1$6b410000$5a01a8c0@mark> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0097_01C3D6C9.CD056800" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-IMAIL-SPAM-VALHELO: (1638662) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0097_01C3D6C9.CD056800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok, multiply... Multiplies the current loop, er...I mean cycle... BUT what if you made a rather long cycle in the first place and you want to DIVIDE it into sections... if you know what I mean... I often make a short cycle, multiply it out to say 16X jam a bit overdub a bit, THEN re-multipy it shorter (theres probably a edp manual term for this...but dunno) On Repeater its called Trim... BUT I really want to do that same thing to cycles that started out as pretty long in the first place, I AM head down in the manual A LOT, (so dont just go and say read the manual) but sometimes you just miss something right??? And this is one pretty fat manual. thanks in advance Mark www.mark-red.com ------=_NextPart_000_0097_01C3D6C9.CD056800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Ok,=20 multiply...
Multiplies the=20 current loop, er...I mean cycle... BUT what if you made a rather = long cycle=20 in the first place and you want to DIVIDE it into sections... if you = know what I=20 mean... I often make a short cycle, multiply it out to say 16X jam a bit = overdub=20 a bit, THEN re-multipy it shorter (theres probably a edp manual term for = this...but dunno) On Repeater its called Trim...
 
BUT I = really want to=20 do that same thing to cycles that started out as pretty long in the = first place,=20 I AM head down in the manual A LOT, (so dont just go and say read the = manual)=20 but sometimes you just miss something right??? And this is one pretty = fat=20 manual.
 
thanks = in=20 advance
 
Mark
 
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= ------=_NextPart_000_0097_01C3D6C9.CD056800-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 9 10:28:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i09FQBA30307; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 10:26:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 10:26:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: quick edp one... Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 10:26:08 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: quick edp one... Thread-Index: AcPWwX29O4pQ1jXgSJisZnB99nOxBQAAr0Mg From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2004 15:26:08.0506 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7A91DA0:01C3D6C4] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i09FQAk30283 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmmm ... I don't believe that you can break a long loop into cycles (but I wouldn't be the guy to give you a definitive answer there). If, in the long run, what you want to do is a re-multiply on a loop that's only one long cycle, you can do an unrounded multiply. Say you have a loop going that is 1 cycle and 8 seconds. If you hit multiply and then, when the counter gets to 2 seconds (for example) you hit record, you'll end up with a 2 second loop consisting of the first 2 seconds of your previous 8 second loop. Did that make sense? I believe this was actually a bug in the software that turned out to be pretty useful so it was never fixed. Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: mark francombe [mailto:mark@mark-red.com] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 10:01 AM > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: quick edp one... > > Ok, multiply... > Multiplies the current loop, er...I mean cycle... BUT what if you > made a rather long cycle in the first place and you want to DIVIDE > it into sections... if you know what I mean... I often make a short > cycle, multiply it out to say 16X jam a bit overdub a bit, THEN > re-multipy it shorter (theres probably a edp manual term for this...but > dunno) On Repeater its called Trim... > > BUT I really want to do that same thing to cycles that started out as > pretty long in the first place, I AM head down in the manual A LOT, > (so dont just go and say read the manual) but sometimes you just miss > something right??? And this is one pretty fat manual. > > thanks in advance > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 9 10:34:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i09FXXk31211; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 10:33:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 10:33:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Totally off topic :) From: Jeffrey Lomas To: Jeffrey Lomas Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1073662633.1247.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 10:37:13 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3DVyyD.A.lnH.Nns__@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've restarted my solo acoustic pop project entitled Jeff Lomas - Disconnected. I put an 11 minute demo on my site (15 MB. Bandwidth beware!!!). http://www.randomsalt.com/music/tunes/JeffLomas.Disconnected.LiveDemo.mp3 It is just a live recording we did in the studio one afternoon. It is a fairly accurate representation of what I do live (warts and all). The three songs included are entitled: 1. All Nighter High 2. Color by Numbers 3. Used to Sing If you like it, tell someone else about it. Folks local to Boston can get on the mailing list by sending a post to announce-subscribe@randomsalt.com. Jeff P.S. You'll probably want to listen to it on something other than laptop speakers. :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 9 10:40:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i09FXgT31259; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 10:33:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 10:33:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011401c3d6c5$f5a812c0$e0154ed5@trucknutz> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" References: Subject: steve lawson gig dates for 2004, (US/UK) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 15:33:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - osiris.24-7dns.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com loopsters, a veritable gig frenzy to start off 2004 - please come and see the gigs, if you can, and spread the word by letting your friends know who live near any of the gigs, or by bringing them along if you're coming to any of the shows! as always, tonnes of looping in evidence at all of my shows... :o) Kicking things off are a few dates in California in January, as per usual. 2004 January 15-18th - NAMM, Anaheim, - playing for Accugroove and Modulus - if you're there head to either booth and the people working it will be able to tell you when I'm playing. Or just catch me as I wander round... :o) 15th - NAMM BassBash, Anaheim, - sponsored by Accugroove and Modulus. - this is free to get in, same place as last year (the brewery down the road, opposite The Pond). lots of cool people playing - check out www.bassquake.org for details. 17th - Marriott Hotel, Anaheim, - solo gig, NAMM afterhours, free entry (it's in the lounge area) - 6.30-7.15pm - should be a laugh, assuming I'm audible above the din that is usually there in the lounge... :o) 19th - Cafe Ruba, Costa Mesa, CA - 7.30pm, no cover, with Trip Wamsley. (949) 642-4026 - very groovy looking coffee shop, should be lots of fun, and Trip's an amazing player... 24th - San Jose, CA - exclusive dudepit clinic - if you want to come to this, it can probably be arranged, depending on numbers - email me... the next three gigs are this year's 'solo bass festival tour' - me, Michael Manring and Trip Wamsley. It's going to be marvellous, so please don't miss these, and do bring friends along. All three are venues I've played before... if you do know someone who might want to come, you can send them the press release, which are available from http://www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk/press.htm - downloadable as .pdf files. 28th - Henflings, Santa Cruz, CA - with Michael Manring and Trip Wamsley. 7.30pm, $10adv/$14 door, (831) 336-8811 29th - Constable Jacks, Newcastle, CA - with Michael Manring and Trip Wamsley. 7.30pm $10 adv/$12 door, (916) 663 9185 30th - The Espresso Garden, San Jose, CA - with Michael Manring and Trip Wamsley. 8pm, $14. (408) 298-0808 There may well be another gig on the 20th at CalArts, and a clinic in LA on the 31st - please keep an eye on the gigs page on the website for more details. that way you'll get all the updates. I'll email the details out as well... OK, back in the UK in Feb/March, so far we've got - 2004 February 3rd - National Theatre Foyer - with Theo Travis (starts at 6pm), free - back here again. Edwina Curry walked past last time we played here, so we're hoping for more ex-tory slack-moraled politicians this time. Maybe John Major will grace us with his presence... ;o) 26th - Traders, Petersfield, Hampshire - solo gig, 9pm. - Ł5 - this could become a semi regular gig, with different collaborators, so please come out and support it if you're anywhere near. call 07931-370110 for tickets, or email stiffpromotions@tiscali.co.uk for more details. 2004 March a little tour with Michael Manring, and with John Lester joining us for a few dates, sponsored by Bass Guitar Magazine! 16th - Mansons Music Shop, Exeter - clinic/gig with michael manring. 7.30pm, - this will be a mixture of michael and I playing solo tunes, duetting and talking about what we do, certainly not for bass players only. Something for everyone! tix Ł4 call 01392 496379 McCoys Arcade, Exeter, Devon 18th - Traders, Petersfield, Hampshire - with Michael Manring, 9pm, tix Ł5. call 07931-370110 for info/tix - back again, this time with Michael. 20th - 21 South Street Arts Centre, Reading - with Michael Manring and John Lester. doors - 7.30pm tix Ł8.00 from website or 0118 9606060 A great venue, played there last year with David Friesen and Michael. This time with the marvellous John Lester. Please come down... 21st - The Troubadour, Earls Court, London - with Michael Manring and John Lester. 7.30pm Ł8. same again, only in London. Back at the club where I did my first ever solo gig! Please bring friends. Booking info for this one to follow soon... There may well also be gigs in Southampton and Cambridge on this tour. More details ASAP. So there we go, I really hope you can come to one of the dates. More bookings are coming in all time time, so keep an eye on the gigs page on the site, and post gig venue requests in the interact section of my website. cheers! Steve www.stevelawson.net (go here for everything you might need...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 9 10:54:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i09Foqa01651; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 10:50:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 10:50:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: New York EDP clinic and gigs... Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 10:50:50 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c3d6c8$5b2a7be0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <3FC2B5DB.635BC439@earthlink.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i09Fopk01624 Resent-Message-ID: <7h7DRC.A.nZ.b3s__@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So, Gents What is going on concerning the clinic in NY is is still slated to occur? Haven't heard anything on this -----Original Message----- From: Andre LaFosse [mailto:altruist@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 8:52 PM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: New York EDP clinic and gigs... In reference to Todd Reynolds, John Mazzarella, et al talking about a NYC clinic in late January... That would be great fun, fellows - thanks for the interest. I've just gotten confirmation of a show on January 28th in New York, opening for David Torn (to say that I'm looking forward to this would be an understatement of cosmic proportions!), so if we could arrange something around then it'd be great. Keep in mind that these things can go on for quite a while - the clinic at Kim's this last Saturday went for about three hours with only a handful of folks in attendance, and the one in 2002 went even longer. In setting up something like this, the ideal situation would be to find a spot that can accommodate a fairly large chunk of time for discussion and demonstration, where making a bit of noise isn't going to be a problem... (a reasonably large living space could be perfect - Kim Flint and his girlfriend did a fantastic job of turning their place into one of the most accommodating and inviting performance venues I've played in quite a long time.) Drop me a line off-list about this, and we'll sort out details. And I'll post more info about the Torn show (and hopefully additional East Coast dates) as the time draws closer... --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 9 11:38:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i09GX8T09429; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 11:33:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 11:33:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 08:33:04 -0800 (PST) From: Juan Urquhart To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Beat Sync For DL4?? Reply-To: manecolooper@darksites.com X-Originating-Ip: [67.17.7.25] Message-Id: <20040109163306.B7C533934@sitemail.everyone.net> Resent-Message-ID: <8yPyQB.A.OTC.Eft__@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, good luck with your experiments,may i suggest that instead of using a transistor,you wire one quarter od a cd4066 analog switch,driven by your led/opto device?and for other modes,wire in series a small toggle switch to disable the beat sync function...the advantage of the 4066 is that it's bidirectional,can work from 3 to 18 volts,and takes virtually no power from the dl4... all the best Maneco http://manecolooper.tripod.com --- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: >>Ever get it worked out?<< it is my firm and avowed intention to take the bottom off of my dl4 this weekend and put a voltmeter across the relevant switch. that is, if my dl4 is actually around.... my band's gear is split between our london studio (i.e. my house) and a rehearsal space in stockport, manchester, and I can't quite remember where the dl4 is at. but I'm going to make this happen. I want to develop something very simple- at most, a 3.5mm jack socket and a transistor/opto-isolator/handful of resistors to add either internally or externally to the dl4 (or actually any tap tempo device- the vortex springs to mind, and the dod dimension12, which I've been having a great time with btw). this would be driven by any clock that can make an LED light up... so one might have to add a socket to this other bit of gear too, but I think that's a small price to pay for the functionality. I have mentioned devices that can be bought or built quite cheaply that will derive this pulse from midi-clock, but I'm guessing folks might not need to do this if, for instance, they already have something that's midi-clocked that blinks an LED at the right rate. I have a bunch of midi sequencers that flash their lights and produce gate signals... a more elaborate solution might include a counter circuit that would divide down such a pulse to produce "taps" at half- or quarter- rates. I'm not sure what to do about defeating or modifying this function when the dl4 is switched to sample-mode, because the relevant footswitch is doing something different then. anyway- watch this space. d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** _____________________________________________________________ Free email service provided by http://www.darksites.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 9 11:48:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i09GiJx10857; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 11:44:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 11:44:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: HarryEsq@aol.com Message-ID: <15b.2b55f5b3.2d303457@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 11:44:07 EST Subject: Re: New York EDP clinic and gigs... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1073666647" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5100 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1073666647 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i too am interested in this event if its still happening - harry -------------------------------1073666647 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i too am interested in this event if its still happening - harry -------------------------------1073666647-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 9 12:17:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i09HDCS17066; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 12:13:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 12:13:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C3D6DC.30E0E4A0@dyn-213-36-181-62.ppp.tiscali.fr> From: F Lebrun To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: quick edp one... Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 18:12:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01C3D6DC.30EA0C60" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01C3D6DC.30EA0C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have very little experience with the EDP, but doesn't it sound a bit like "unrounded loop windowing" ? have you tried what is described in pages 5-22 and next ? I haven't exactly tried to "window" a single long cycle but will ... Francois Comparison with others is the mark of the fool -----Message d'origine----- De: mark francombe [SMTP:mark@mark-red.com] Date: vendredi 9 janvier 2004 16:01 =C0: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: quick edp one... Ok, multiply... Multiplies the current loop, er...I mean cycle... BUT what if you made a rather long cycle in the first place and you want to DIVIDE it into sections... if you know what I mean... I often make a short cycle, multiply it out to say 16X jam a bit overdub a bit, THEN re-multipy it shorter (theres probably a edp manual term for this...but dunno) On Repeater its called Trim...=20 =20 BUT I really want to do that same thing to cycles that started out as pretty long in the first place, I AM head down in the manual A LOT, (so dont just go and say read the manual) but sometimes you just miss something right??? 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References: <15b.2b55f5b3.2d303457@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0_9-MC.A.hh.27v__@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Todd Reynolds is handling the logistics of this, and it's a fairly limited RSVP thing. Honestly not sure what sort of space is left - Todd had sent out an email to the list a month or two back to gauge interest, and I don't know exactly how many replies he's gotten since then... If you're still interested, drop Todd a line - toddreynolds (at) rcn.com - and see if there's still room available. Thanks! --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 9 14:33:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i09JShi03213; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 14:28:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 14:28:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1835.172.172.85.4.1073676523.squirrel@172.172.85.4> In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533E7F@LON-MAIL07> References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533E7F@LON-MAIL07> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 13:28:43 -0600 (CST) Subject: RE: Beat Sync For DL4?? From: "Justin Fobes" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail X-Mailer: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com God's Speed Duncan. http://www.JustinFobesMusic.com goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: >>>Ever get it worked out?<< > > it is my firm and avowed intention to take the bottom off of my dl4 this > weekend and put a voltmeter across the relevant switch. that is, if my dl4 > is actually around.... my band's gear is split between our london studio > (i.e. my house) and a rehearsal space in stockport, manchester, and I > can't quite remember where the dl4 is at. but I'm going to make this > happen. > > I want to develop something very simple- at most, a 3.5mm jack socket and > a transistor/opto-isolator/handful of resistors to add either internally > or externally to the dl4 (or actually any tap tempo device- the vortex > springs to mind, and the dod dimension12, which I've been having a great > time with btw). > this would be driven by any clock that can make an LED light up... so one > might have to add a socket to this other bit of gear too, but I think > that's a small price to pay for the functionality. > I have mentioned devices that can be bought or built quite cheaply that > will derive this pulse from midi-clock, but I'm guessing folks might not > need to do this if, for instance, they already have something that's > midi-clocked that blinks an LED at the right rate. I have a bunch of midi > sequencers that flash their lights and produce gate signals... a more > elaborate solution might include a counter circuit that would divide down > such a pulse to produce "taps" at half- or quarter- rates. > > I'm not sure what to do about defeating or modifying this function when > the dl4 is switched to sample-mode, because the relevant footswitch is > doing something different then. > > anyway- watch this space. > > d. > > > *************************************************************************** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also > be privileged. 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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 14:36:07 -0500 Message-ID: <002101c3d6e7$d4394ba0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <3FFEFDA6.DA227333@earthlink.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Andre I thought I sent mine in but, then never heard anything further I also sent him another reply message today as per his original posted inquiry of interest. Oh well -----Original Message----- From: Andre LaFosse [mailto:altruist@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 2:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New York EDP clinic and gigs... Todd Reynolds is handling the logistics of this, and it's a fairly limited RSVP thing. Honestly not sure what sort of space is left - Todd had sent out an email to the list a month or two back to gauge interest, and I don't know exactly how many replies he's gotten since then... If you're still interested, drop Todd a line - toddreynolds (at) rcn.com - and see if there's still room available. Thanks! --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 9 14:59:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i09Ju1Y06970; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 14:56:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 14:56:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [213.249.214.112] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: steve lawson gig dates for 2004, (US/UK) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 19:55:55 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2004 19:55:55.0316 (UTC) FILETIME=[97C04F40:01C3D6EA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey there Steve sounds like you are having a grand ol'time, please let me know if you are doing any gigs up'north . Im currantly fluctuating between Hull and Carlisle, so any gigs in Leeds,Shefield, Newcastle Glasgow etc would deffinatly be worth a look in. Keep up the good work. Phill >3rd - National Theatre Foyer - with Theo Travis (starts at 6pm), free - >back >here again. Edwina Curry walked past last time we played here, so we're >hoping for more ex-tory slack-moraled politicians this time. Maybe John >Major will grace us with his presence... ;o) > >26th - Traders, Petersfield, Hampshire - solo gig, 9pm. - Ł5 - this could >become a semi regular gig, with different collaborators, so please come out >and support it if you're anywhere near. call 07931-370110 for tickets, or >email stiffpromotions@tiscali.co.uk for more details. > > >2004 March > >a little tour with Michael Manring, and with John Lester joining us for a >few dates, sponsored by Bass Guitar Magazine! > >16th - Mansons Music Shop, Exeter - clinic/gig with michael manring. >7.30pm, - this will be a mixture of michael and I playing solo tunes, >duetting and talking about what we do, certainly not for bass players only. >Something for everyone! tix Ł4 call 01392 496379 McCoys Arcade, Exeter, >Devon > >18th - Traders, Petersfield, Hampshire - with Michael Manring, 9pm, tix Ł5. >call 07931-370110 for info/tix - back again, this time with Michael. > >20th - 21 South Street Arts Centre, Reading - with Michael Manring and John >Lester. doors - 7.30pm tix Ł8.00 from website or 0118 9606060 >A great venue, played there last year with David Friesen and Michael. This >time with the marvellous John Lester. Please come down... > >21st - The Troubadour, Earls Court, London - with Michael Manring and John >Lester. 7.30pm Ł8. same again, only in London. Back at the club where I did >my first ever solo gig! Please bring friends. Booking info for this one to >follow soon... > >There may well also be gigs in Southampton and Cambridge on this tour. More >details ASAP. > >So there we go, I really hope you can come to one of the dates. More >bookings are coming in all time time, so keep an eye on the gigs page on >the >site, and post gig venue requests in the interact section of my website. > >cheers! > >Steve >www.stevelawson.net (go here for everything you might need...) > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 9 15:38:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i09KZTv12986; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 15:35:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 15:35:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [213.249.214.112] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Where can I get Loop4 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 20:35:22 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2004 20:35:22.0726 (UTC) FILETIME=[1AD66860:01C3D6F0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi guys, Ive been pretty busy latley and have only just managed ot get a little time with my FCB1010 and EDP. I seem to be having some limited success with it and Loop 3.5 but I figure that for a bit more Ł (or possibly$) I can get my self Loop4, I just wondered if anyone could tell me if I can get it here in the UK or whether I have to order from the website and endure the hell that is UK Import Tax!!! Ta very much Phill _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 9 16:31:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i09LRe620628; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 16:27:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 16:27:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <1df.17203827.2d3076c1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 16:27:29 EST Subject: Re: quick edp one...(+EDP trick) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <5OOyfB.A.NCF.Mzx__@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Ok, multiply... > Multiplies the current loop, er...I mean cycle... BUT what if you made a > rather long cycle in the first place and you want to DIVIDE it into > sections... if you know what I mean... I often make a short cycle, > multiply it out to say 16X jam a bit overdub a bit, THEN re-multipy it > shorter (theres probably a edp manual term for this...but dunno) On > Repeater its called Trim... > Like Greg says, use Multiply followed by Record to reduce the size of your cycle. If you have Loop4 soft you can use Quantise=8th, and set 8th/cycle to taste you can use Mult>>Rec to chop the loop/cycle into an accurate fraction of it's original length. e.g. with 8th/cycle=4 you can have the new loop at a quarter (or a half, or 3 quarters) of the old cycle. If you want to keep the whole old loop, but just divide it into smaller cycles then it's not so easy, but you can try:- 1) do Mult>>Rec as above 2) do a multiply to make the loop the old length again (Mult>>>Mult) 3) long press on UNDO, and see what happens ...............you may be rewarded When you get bored with that try 1) Quant= 8th, 8th/cycle=2, InsertMode=SUS 2) now each time you briefly tap Multiply, the loop length is cut neatly in half ........until the loop gets too small for 8thQuant to work andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 10 02:05:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0A6oZp07049; Sat, 10 Jan 2004 01:50:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 01:50:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20040109224945.04df7350@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 22:51:01 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Where can I get Loop4 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com easily ordered from the web: http://www.aurisis.com/products/loopIV/loopIV.html kim At 12:35 PM 1/9/2004, lol c wrote: >Ive been pretty busy latley and have only just managed ot get a little >time with my FCB1010 and EDP. I seem to be having some limited success >with it and Loop 3.5 but I figure that for a bit more Ł (or possibly$) I >can get my self Loop4, I just wondered if anyone could tell me if I can >get it here in the UK or whether I have to order from the website and >endure the hell that is UK Import Tax!!! ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 10 18:11:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0ANAWS27966; Sat, 10 Jan 2004 18:10:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 18:10:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006001c3d7d0$c9c7f4c0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents DJ Synapse Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 18:23:43 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com We're in a Steve Roach frenzy this January at the Ping. No - he won't be leaving the desert to visit our frozen tundra this month, but we'll be featuring his latest releases between sets and rik maclean has not only written extensive reviews of these CDs but has conducted a deep and insightful interview with the ambient master himself. Read this interview with Roach, about his music, his influences and inspiration here: http://www.pingthings.com/PTfeaturesNF.htm . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday January 13th - DJ Synapse After chill-out performances at all the major outdoor parties and 3-day events last summer, DJ Synapse returns to the Ping to take us on a sonic journey from darkness into the light. Beginning with his stranger, darker musings, Synapse plans a trip ending in joyous grooves and, no doubt, marked by the creative and humourous touches he's known for, along the path. Between Sets CD - "Lost And Found" disc 2 by V/A "Found", disc 2 of the Foundry Label's double CD anthology, features a great collection of pieces by Foundry artists: eM, Jonathan Hughes, Dean Santomieri, Mollusk & some interesting combinations by Seofon with Steve Roach + Not Breathing + vidna Obmana. http://www.foundrysite.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday January 20th - quasiMODAL "Instant compositions, loops and textures." Between Sets CD - "Texture Maps" by Steve Roach http://www.steveroach.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Life Sequence" by Steve Roach It can truly be said that Steve Roach is a pioneer in the field of ambient music, a frontiersperson who has helped to shape and form the genre as we know it today. Over the years his contributions have been numerous, from longform atmospheric spaces recreating environment and space to studies of tribal rhythms and textures and everywhere in between. Over the course of his career, Roach's work has captured our imaginations and inspired both our dreams and our waking moments. With the release of "Life Sequence", one of a pair of releases from his Timeroom Editions series, Roach shows a skill and mastery of sound sure to affect his listeners in powerful ways. As "Life Sequence" opens with the shorter piece "Lightness of Being", Roach sets the stage for an excursion into a more driven, sequenced style drawing from analog technology. >From it's opening notes one can't help but be drawn into it's charms, beguiled by it's beauty. This shortly gives way to the longer "Living the Dream", a study in percolating synths and patterned sounds laid over a percussive bed building to an intense climax and then slowly releasing it's grip on the listener with a slow chill out. "Sundial" continues along the same chilled vein, tones floating and sweeping through the track in a calm and drifting form, ebbing and flowing like the shifting of tides. Beautiful music for a Sunday morning... "Sands of Time" follows, it's opening slowly sweeping through consciousness giving way to a more clearly defined pattern of tones. Movement is so subtle, so delicate in this piece as tones shift, appear and disappear. A masterful work. "Destination Horizon" closes the disc, an epic longform piece slowly building on patterns and shapes introduced early on in the course of it's 27 minutes. Transparent, shimmering, beautiful. "Life Sequence" is now available through ping things at http://www.pingthings.com You may also be interested to read an exclusive interview with him in our Featured section at http://www.pingthings.com/PTfeaturesNF.htm where he discusses influences, inspiration and the creative process. Fascinating insights from one of the great talents of the ambient genre. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 11 06:18:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0BBHbw14032; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 06:17:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 06:17:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40013148.5060405@unguitar.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 12:19:36 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: one efc 7 controlling 2 Edp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Has anyone tried to use an Efc7 splitted into 2 Edps with an A/B selector in between ? Is it possible to have them working with no problems ? I mean: Efc7 controlling Just Edp "A" OR Efc7 controlling Just Edp "B" OR Efc7 controlling both ? Are resistances values working also if the signal is split ? thanks, Luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 11 12:51:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0BHkpJ01082; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 12:46:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 12:46:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 09:46:49 -0800 Subject: Re: one efc 7 controlling 2 Edp From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <40013148.5060405@unguitar.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I used an A/B box for a while to switch between two EDPs. I doubt that it would work for controlling both. I didn't get an A/B box with any sort of feedback about where control was going so I found myself expending more concentration on which EDP was active than I really wanted to but that mistake is easily avoidable at slightly greater expense. There are also schematics floating around somewhere (search the archives) for a mod to an EFC-7 to build in an A/B selector switch. That saves on floor space. Mark on 1/11/04 3:19 AM, Luca Formentini at luca@unguitar.com wrote: > Hi, > Has anyone tried to use an Efc7 splitted into 2 Edps with an A/B > selector in between ? > Is it possible to have them working with no problems ? > I mean: > Efc7 controlling Just Edp "A" OR > Efc7 controlling Just Edp "B" OR > Efc7 controlling both ? > Are resistances values working also if the signal is split ? > thanks, > Luca > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 11 13:19:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0BIGYC08617; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 13:16:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 13:16:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <200401111751.i0BHpLD02353@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200401111751.i0BHpLD02353@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <47F40F81-4462-11D8-82E8-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: one efc 7 controlling 2 Edp Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 10:16:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Resent-Message-ID: <_am5kB.A.jGC.CMZAAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes on the just A or just B. I remember that at least some of the features worked in the A+B mode, but most of that is covered by brothersync'ing them together to form a stereo pair. I'll fire up my rig today and check the A+B situation again. If you go to buy an AB box know that many of them don't work (the ones that are designed for better audio, typically) because of some wiring issue I forget the specifics of. If you want an off-the-shelf solution, the Morley ABY is $40 or $50 from Guitar Center/Musician's Friend. TravisH On Jan 11, 2004, at 9:51 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: Luca Formentini > Date: January 11, 2004 3:19:36 AM PST > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: one efc 7 controlling 2 Edp > > > Hi, > Has anyone tried to use an Efc7 splitted into 2 Edps with an A/B > selector in between ? > Is it possible to have them working with no problems ? > I mean: > Efc7 controlling Just Edp "A" OR > Efc7 controlling Just Edp "B" OR > Efc7 controlling both ? > Are resistances values working also if the signal is split ? > thanks, > Luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 11 15:04:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0BJx8925513; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 14:59:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 14:59:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: BEEsignature9@aol.com Message-ID: <12f.3936eedc.2d3304f9@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 14:58:49 EST Subject: Re: Official Loopers Meeting at NAMM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1073851129" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5101 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1073851129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit damn, sorry i had way to many e-mails to read, and i jumoed the gun! apologies -------------------------------1073851129 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
damn, sorry i had way to many e-mails to read, and i jumoed the gun!
 
apologies
-------------------------------1073851129-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 11 15:04:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0BJvLm23752; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 14:57:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 14:57:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: BEEsignature9@aol.com Message-ID: <98.105d889.2d33049d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 14:57:17 EST Subject: Re: Official Loopers Meeting at NAMM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1073851037" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5101 Resent-Message-ID: <1BCkuD.A.BzF.gqaAAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1073851037 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/8/2004 2:27:17 PM Mountain Standard Time, looppool@cruzio.com writes: 12 NOON at the Starr Labs (#1006, Hall E) which day? -------------------------------1073851037 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 1/8/2004 2:27:17 PM Mountain Standard Time, looppool= @cruzio.com writes:
12 NOON at the
Starr Labs (#1006, Hall E)
which day?
-------------------------------1073851037-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 11 15:09:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0BK2WE26455; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 15:02:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 15:02:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: BEEsignature9@aol.com Message-ID: <106.2b192377.2d3305d2@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 15:02:26 EST Subject: Re: one efc 7 controlling 2 Edp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1073851346" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5101 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1073851346 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/11/2004 4:18:28 AM Mountain Standard Time, luca@unguitar.com writes: Hi, Has anyone tried to use an Efc7 splitted into 2 Edps with an A/B selector in between ? Is it possible to have them working with no problems ? I mean: Efc7 controlling Just Edp "A" OR Efc7 controlling Just Edp "B" OR Efc7 controlling both ? Are resistances values working also if the signal is split ? thanks, Luca I tried it with a morley aby box ... it seemed to get the wrong messages and did not do exactly what it was supposed to when using the buttons... -------------------------------1073851346 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 1/11/2004 4:18:28 AM Mountain Standard Time, luca@un= guitar.com writes:
Hi,
Has anyone tried to use an Efc7 splitte= d into 2 Edps with an A/B
selector in between ?
Is it possible to hav= e them working with no problems ?
I mean:
Efc7 controlling Just Edp "A= "  OR
Efc7 controlling Just Edp "B"  OR
Efc7 controlling bot= h ?
Are resistances values working also if the signal is split ?
thank= s,
Luca
I tried it with a morley aby box ... it seemed to get the wrong message= s and did not do exactly what it was supposed to when using the buttons... -------------------------------1073851346-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 11 17:13:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0BMBaV17082; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:11:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:11:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: one efc 7 controlling 2 Edp Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 14:11:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcPYfedTXnYhg7QjSi66cq+imhHK1QAEc2sg In-Reply-To: <106.2b192377.2d3305d2@aol.com> Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <3quOn.A.zKE.YocAAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 1/11/2004 4:18:28 AM Mountain Standard Time, luca@unguitar.com writes: Hi, Has anyone tried to use an Efc7 splitted into 2 Edps with an A/B I tried it with a morley aby box ... it seemed to get the wrong messages and did not do exactly what it was supposed to when using the buttons... ----> Same here--inconsistent behaviour . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 11 17:47:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0BMksC21094; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:46:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:46:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 14:52:29 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Lexicon JamMan malfunctioning From: Dan Trager To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: <68Pbw.A.eJF.dJdAAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all. I just joined the list so if my question(s) are hopelessly redundant as relative to historical ongoing discussions please forgive me. That said, my jammman is malfunctioning; unable to hold a loop for hardly even a minute and I just noticed that the echo function is no longer working at all (I can't get the select to scroll past 0). I have looked at the pages regarding the JM on the looper's delight site. I even was able to run a bit of the diagnostics posted there and near as I can tell the encoder is failing. I also emailed bob sellon a few weeks ago and have yet to hear back from him. I also have tried using a 2A AC converter instead of the stock Lexi converter but the problem remained. So my questions are what are my options? Does Lexicon still service the Jammans? How much can I expect that they will charge for repair? Anybody know of anyplace else to have it serviced, ideally in the Seattle area? Can/should I consider replacing the encoder on my own and if so where could I locate an encoder and how much are they going for? Any insight anybody can offer is greatly appreciated. please and thanks, dtrager2@comcast.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 11 18:19:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0BNDqc25060; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 18:13:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 18:13:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c3d898$5c1c6820$d6e35cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist for January 8, 2004 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 18:11:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3D86E.667A5040" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3D86E.667A5040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each = Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA 93.9 FM in = Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and = webcasting on the internet. Show #355 January 8, 2004 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Ian Boddy, who has = been on the European electronica scene since the '70s. The Featured CD at = Midnight was "Aurora" on the DiN label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "L'Ethique" by Richard Pinhas on Pulse Records. Ian Boddy - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/focus04.html#jan PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 11:00 pm Richard Pinhas Melodic Simple L'Ethique (Pulse) Transition Dorian Przystalski Hybrid Antimatter (Underwater = Music) Fringe Element Chlorophyll Organic Chemistry = (none) David Borden The Coming of Winter Cayuga Night Music = (Lame Duck) Zero Ohms The Spaceport True Degrees of Freedom = (Space for Music) E=3Dmotion Awakening A dream Within A = Dream (Underwater Music) Philippe Emmanuel Paris 23H36 Fire & Remembrance = (Underwater Gueble Music) 12:00 am Ian Boddy Gravity Well Aurora (DiN) Ian Boddy Ecliptic Aurora (DiN) Ian Boddy Vox Lumina Aurora (DiN) Ian Boddy Zero-G Aurora (DiN) Ian Boddy Escape Velocity Aurora (DiN) Ian Boddy Aurora Aurora (DiN) 1:00 am * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) ++ =3D Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Ian Boddy. = The Featured CD at Midnight will be "The Deep" on Something Else Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Computer Experiments Volume 1" by Synergy on Passport Records. Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, = Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in = Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click = LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3D86E.667A5040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs = each=20 Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA = 93.9 FM in=20 Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, = and=20 webcasting on
the internet.
 
            =    =20     Show #355       =20             January 8, = 2004
 
RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Ian = Boddy, who=20 has been on
the European electronica scene since the '70s.  The = Featured=20 CD at Midnight was
"Aurora" on the DiN label.
 
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "L'Ethique" by Richard Pinhas on=20 Pulse
Records.
 
Ian Boddy - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/focus04.html#jan
=
 

PLAYLIST:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
11:00 pm
Richard=20 Pinhas          Melodic=20 Simple           = L'Ethique=20 (Pulse)
          &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;  =20 Transition
Dorian Przystalski     =20 Hybrid           &= nbsp;      =20 Antimatter (Underwater Music)
Fringe=20 Element         =20 Chlorophyll          &n= bsp;  =20 Organic Chemistry (none)
David=20 Borden            = The=20 Coming of Winter     Cayuga Night Music (Lame = Duck)
Zero=20 Ohms           &nb= sp;  =20 The = Spaceport          &nbs= p;=20 True Degrees of Freedom=20 (Space
          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =    =20 for=20 Music)
E=3Dmotion         = ;      =20 Awakening          &nbs= p;    =20 A dream Within A=20 Dream
          &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;  =20 (Underwater Music)
Philippe = Emmanuel      =20 Paris=20 23H36           &n= bsp; =20 Fire & Remembrance (Underwater
 =20 Gueble           &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;      =20 Music)
 
12:00 am
Ian=20 Boddy           &n= bsp;  =20 Gravity=20 Well           &nb= sp;=20 Aurora (DiN)
Ian=20 Boddy           &n= bsp;  =20 Ecliptic           = ;     =20 Aurora (DiN)
Ian=20 Boddy           &n= bsp;  =20 Vox=20 Lumina           &= nbsp;  =20 Aurora (DiN)
Ian=20 Boddy           &n= bsp;  =20 Zero-G           &= nbsp;      =20 Aurora (DiN)
Ian=20 Boddy           &n= bsp;  =20 Escape Velocity          = Aurora=20 (DiN)
Ian=20 Boddy           &n= bsp;  =20 Aurora           &= nbsp;      =20 Aurora (DiN)
 
1:00 am
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
++ = =3D Advance CDR=20 from Artist
 

NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long = focus on=20 Ian Boddy.  The
Featured CD at Midnight will be "The Deep" on = Something=20 Else Records.
 
The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Computer Experiments Volume = 1"=20 by
Synergy on Passport Records.
 
Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient,  and space music show,  = Thursdays=20 at 11
pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and = 93.9 FM in=20 Easton
and Phillipsburg.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org  and click =20 LISTEN
EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic<= /A>
To=20 subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!]=20 at
http://groups.yahoo.co= m/group/emusic-wdiy
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3D86E.667A5040-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 11 20:04:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0C11TB06223; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:01:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:01:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008001c3d8a7$9a1ff6f0$0601a8c0@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: References: <200401111751.i0BHpLO02354@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: FAVORITE LOOPING TECHNIQUE Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:01:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think it would be cool to read about everyone's favorite looping techniques or tricks. Anybody with me here? Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 11 20:14:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0C143J06624; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:04:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:04:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008601c3d8a7$fa976630$6600a8c0@tom> From: "Tom Rex" To: References: <000a01c3d898$5c1c6820$d6e35cd1@billfox> Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist for January 8, 2004 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 18:04:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0083_01C3D86D.4E172380" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <7xAWCB.A.UnB.CKfAAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0083_01C3D86D.4E172380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi Bill, nice to hear from my hometown! i'll listening in to WDIY now as i = write. cool....... thanks, Tom ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bill Fox=20 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List=20 Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 4:11 PM Subject: EMUSIC Playlist for January 8, 2004 EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each = Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA 93.9 FM in = Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and = webcasting on the internet. Show #355 January 8, 2004 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Ian Boddy, who has = been on the European electronica scene since the '70s. The Featured CD at = Midnight was "Aurora" on the DiN label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "L'Ethique" by Richard Pinhas on = Pulse Records. Ian Boddy - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/focus04.html#jan PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 11:00 pm Richard Pinhas Melodic Simple L'Ethique (Pulse) Transition Dorian Przystalski Hybrid Antimatter = (Underwater Music) Fringe Element Chlorophyll Organic Chemistry = (none) David Borden The Coming of Winter Cayuga Night Music = (Lame Duck) Zero Ohms The Spaceport True Degrees of = Freedom (Space for Music) E=3Dmotion Awakening A dream Within A = Dream (Underwater Music) Philippe Emmanuel Paris 23H36 Fire & Remembrance = (Underwater Gueble Music) 12:00 am Ian Boddy Gravity Well Aurora (DiN) Ian Boddy Ecliptic Aurora (DiN) Ian Boddy Vox Lumina Aurora (DiN) Ian Boddy Zero-G Aurora (DiN) Ian Boddy Escape Velocity Aurora (DiN) Ian Boddy Aurora Aurora (DiN) 1:00 am * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) ++ =3D Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Ian Boddy. = The Featured CD at Midnight will be "The Deep" on Something Else Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Computer Experiments Volume 1" = by Synergy on Passport Records. Bill = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, = Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM = in Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and = click LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy ------=_NextPart_000_0083_01C3D86D.4E172380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi Bill,
 
nice to hear from my hometown!  = i'll listening=20 in to WDIY now as i write.  cool.......
 
thanks, Tom
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bill = Fox
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 = 4:11=20 PM
Subject: EMUSIC Playlist for = January 8,=20 2004

EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs = each=20 Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA = 93.9 FM=20 in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric = Cable, and=20 webcasting on
the internet.
 
           =20         Show #355   =20             =    =20 January 8, 2004
 
RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Ian = Boddy,=20 who has been on
the European electronica scene since the = '70s.  The=20 Featured CD at Midnight was
"Aurora" on the DiN label.
 
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "L'Ethique" by Richard Pinhas = on=20 Pulse
Records.
 
Ian Boddy - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/focus04.html#jan
=
 

PLAYLIST:
 
=
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 = TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
11:00 pm
Richard=20 Pinhas          Melodic=20 Simple           = L'Ethique=20 = (Pulse)
          &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;  =20 Transition
Dorian Przystalski     =20 = Hybrid           &= nbsp;      =20 Antimatter (Underwater Music)
Fringe=20 Element         =20 = Chlorophyll          &n= bsp;  =20 Organic Chemistry (none)
David=20 = Borden            = The=20 Coming of Winter     Cayuga Night Music (Lame=20 Duck)
Zero=20 = Ohms           &nb= sp;  =20 The=20 = Spaceport          &nbs= p;=20 True Degrees of Freedom=20 = (Space
          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =    =20 for=20 = Music)
E=3Dmotion         = ;      =20 = Awakening          &nbs= p;    =20 A dream Within A=20 = Dream
          &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;  =20 (Underwater Music)
Philippe = Emmanuel      =20 Paris=20 = 23H36           &n= bsp; =20 Fire & Remembrance (Underwater
 =20 = Gueble           &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;      =20 Music)
 
12:00 am
Ian=20 = Boddy           &n= bsp;  =20 Gravity=20 = Well           &nb= sp;=20 Aurora (DiN)
Ian=20 = Boddy           &n= bsp;  =20 = Ecliptic           = ;     =20 Aurora (DiN)
Ian=20 = Boddy           &n= bsp;  =20 Vox=20 = Lumina           &= nbsp;  =20 Aurora (DiN)
Ian=20 = Boddy           &n= bsp;  =20 = Zero-G           &= nbsp;      =20 Aurora (DiN)
Ian=20 = Boddy           &n= bsp;  =20 Escape Velocity          = Aurora=20 (DiN)
Ian=20 = Boddy           &n= bsp;  =20 = Aurora           &= nbsp;      =20 Aurora (DiN)
 
1:00 am
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
++ = =3D Advance=20 CDR from Artist
 

NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the = month-long focus=20 on Ian Boddy.  The
Featured CD at Midnight will be "The Deep" = on=20 Something Else Records.
 
The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Computer Experiments = Volume 1"=20 by
Synergy on Passport Records.
 
=
Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient,  and space music show,  = Thursdays=20 at 11
pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and = 93.9 FM=20 in Easton
and Phillipsburg.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org  and click =20 LISTEN
EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic<= /A>
To=20 subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!]=20 at
http://groups.yahoo.co= m/group/emusic-wdiy
------=_NextPart_000_0083_01C3D86D.4E172380-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 11 20:33:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0C1SRC08743; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:28:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:28:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: one efc 7 controlling 2 Edp Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:30:10 -0500 Message-ID: <001f01c3d8ab$9e79de60$6401a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <40013148.5060405@unguitar.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Luca. Check out http://www.worldserver.com/leas/pedal.htm Kim, would you like a copy of this for the LD website? - Dennis Leas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 11 20:36:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0C1Y0i09233; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:34:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:34:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:34:46 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: FAVORITE LOOPING TECHNIQUE To: "loop.pool" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002401c3d8ac$480ea640$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <008001c3d8a7$9a1ff6f0$0601a8c0@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I think it would be cool to read about everyone's favorite looping > techniques or tricks. Anybody with me here? This is so simple, yet way cool for me: two long delays set to *almost* the same length (18 seconds and 18.5 seconds, fer example). Max feedback. A chord progression in my mind of three unique tonal centers (Am7/Cm7/Em7, fer example). One note defining each chord, each note maybe four seconds long, then silence. After three or four passes, the three chords are distinctly heard. After ten passes, one chord begins to "smear" into the other. Then it's el chromatico profundo, baby! Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 11 20:54:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0C1oqn11668; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:50:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:50:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.31.168.43] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] X-Sender: nic_roozeboom@msn.com From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: References: <200401111751.i0BHpLO02354@hemlock.violacea.com> <008001c3d8a7$9a1ff6f0$0601a8c0@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: FAVORITE LOOPING TECHNIQUE Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:50:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C3D86B.68A12F40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.00.0011.1200 Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:50:32 -0800 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2004 01:50:44.0026 (UTC) FILETIME=[7DA329A0:01C3D8AE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C3D86B.68A12F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm with ya..... should be a fun and educational thead. I have two favorites: 1.. Constructing arpeggios - starting with e.g. a single note or a = select few from an arpeggio pattern, add notes at differnent syncopes = each succession of the loop overdub (Reichian process composition = technique) until 'busy enough' - and a variant: for a given arpeggio, = play every n-th note for an N-note arpeggio, where n is not a simple = divisor of N. Thus, looping the loop at N will progressively fill in the = arpeggio pattern. I enjoy the mental concentration involved in nailing = the notes, both pitch and rhythm; the results are typically 'differently = interesting' from an arp played straight.=20 2.. I know it's corny, but I do so love the sound of a reversed thick = guitar chord struck and held 'til fade. Sample with output muted, then = launch in reverse from silence. Instant drama. Trick is to pick up with = the follow-on note/sound on the sharp end of the reversed chord of = course. Cheers, Nic ----- Original Message -----=20 From: loop.pool=20 To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 5:01 PM Subject: FAVORITE LOOPING TECHNIQUE I think it would be cool to read about everyone's favorite looping techniques or tricks. Anybody with me here? Rick ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C3D86B.68A12F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm with ya..... should be a fun and educational thead.
 
I have two favorites:
  1. Constructing arpeggios - starting with e.g. a single note or a = select few=20 from an arpeggio pattern, add notes at differnent syncopes each = succession of=20 the loop overdub (Reichian process composition technique) until 'busy = enough'=20 - and a variant: for a given arpeggio, play every n-th note for an = N-note=20 arpeggio, where n is not a simple divisor of N. Thus, looping the loop = at N=20 will progressively fill in the arpeggio pattern. I enjoy the mental=20 concentration involved in nailing the notes, both pitch and rhythm; = the=20 results are typically 'differently interesting' from an arp played = straight.=20
  2. I know it's corny, but I do so love the sound of a reversed thick = guitar=20 chord struck and held 'til fade. Sample with output muted, then launch = in=20 reverse from silence. Instant drama. Trick is to pick up with the = follow-on note/sound on the sharp end of the reversed chord of=20 course.
Cheers,
Nic
----- Original Message -----
From: loop.pool
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 = 5:01=20 PM
Subject: FAVORITE LOOPING = TECHNIQUE

I think it would be cool to read about everyone's = favorite=20 looping
techniques or tricks.    Anybody with me=20 here?

Rick




------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C3D86B.68A12F40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 11 21:15:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0C2BjA17615; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 21:11:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 21:11:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4002025E.1090503@finleysound.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 18:11:42 -0800 From: "Matthew F. McCabe" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Lexicon JamMan malfunctioning References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dan Trager wrote: > So my questions are what are my options? Does Lexicon still service the > Jammans? How much can I expect that they will charge for repair? > Anybody know of anyplace else to have it serviced, ideally in the > Seattle area? Can/should I consider replacing the encoder on my own and > if so where could I locate an encoder and how much are they going for? Dan, I had my JamMan repaired by Lexicon approximately 2 to 3 years ago. I think they charged my a flat repair rate of $90. Matt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 11 21:15:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0C2DQn17838; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 21:13:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 21:13:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <200401120114.i0C1Eow07528@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200401120114.i0C1Eow07528@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: Lexicon JamMan malfunctioning Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 18:13:23 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lex used to have a flat-fee repair policy for boxes from that era (Vortex, Alex, etc). I seem to remember $135 being the magic number for repairing anything on it. Give them a buzz and they'll give you the current skinny. TravisH On Jan 11, 2004, at 5:14 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > > > So my questions are what are my options? Does Lexicon still service > the Jammans? How much can I expect that they will charge for repair? > Anybody know of anyplace else to have it serviced, ideally in the > Seattle area? Can/should I consider replacing the encoder on my own > and if so where could I locate an encoder and how much are they going > for? > > Any insight anybody can offer is greatly appreciated. > > please and thanks, > dtrager2@comcast.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 11 22:33:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0C3UvP28814; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 22:30:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 22:30:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 22:30:47 EST Subject: Re: FAVORITE LOOPING TECHNIQUE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f5.364c4175.2d336ee7_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_f5.364c4175.2d336ee7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/11/04 8:34:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, coyotelk@optonline.net writes: > One note defining each chord, each note maybe four seconds long, > then silence. douglas.....xplane por favor.....danka-roo-ski.....michael --part1_f5.364c4175.2d336ee7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a me= ssage dated 1/11/04 8:34:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, coyotelk@optonline.net= writes:


One note defining each chord, e= ach note maybe four seconds long,
then silence.


douglas.....xplane por favor.....danka-roo-ski.....michael
--part1_f5.364c4175.2d336ee7_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 11 22:46:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0C3jPb30997; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 22:45:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 22:45:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: FAVORITE LOOPING TECHNIQUE Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 19:45:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcPYvIj5cCy/pc6aQ9+yG2Z4xpkmPQAAVVXg In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <4wWJaC.A.MkH.VhhAAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 1/11/04 8:34:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, coyotelk@optonline.net writes: One note defining each chord, each note maybe four seconds long, then silence. Then Cap'n Nemo wrote: douglas.....xplane por favor.....danka-roo-ski.....michael ------> I believe DB is proposing the same "arpeggio" approach mentioned by Nic Roozeboom--monophonic line with several layers becomes polyphonic--seems like this could be real cool if you had the presence of mind to use feedback <100% and create a changing tonality--something one could plan out . . .hmmm . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 11 23:49:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0C4mI908504; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 23:48:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 23:48:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 23:48:08 EST Subject: KASETTE LOOPING TECHNIQUE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a3.5019eab5.2d338108_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_a3.5019eab5.2d338108_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit well, after several weeks, i finally popped the 20 sec return call answering machine tape into my 4 trac.....a radio shack tape.....there is a dead spot in the loop, the loop isn't seamless.....so if all you have playing is the tape, you will have a portion of a sec. of silence.....is this the nature of the beast?.....also, i had to stop and switch the channel from input to tape in order to get it playing.....not a very elligent system for "live looping" tm. .....but as i sit here, i keep coming up with other ideas such as using the "silence" as part of the loop etc.....i will investigate more.....this is not my favorite looping technique though.....my fave is taking a LOOPPOOL tune and looping it backwards and slowing it down about 74% all the while dying my hair purple as the loop plays on.....the crowds go wild!.....:).....michael p.s. i think that my equipment has taken on a "mind" of its own and for some reason it wants to punish me.....could this be possible? --part1_a3.5019eab5.2d338108_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable well, a= fter several weeks, i finally popped the 20 sec return call answering machin= e tape into my 4 trac.....a radio shack tape.....there is a dead spot in the= loop, the loop isn't seamless.....so if all you have playing is the tape, y= ou will have a portion of a sec. of silence.....is this the nature of the be= ast?.....also, i had to stop and switch the channel from input to tape in or= der to get it playing.....not a very elligent system for "live looping" tm.=20= .....but as i sit here, i keep coming up with other ideas such as using the=20= "silence" as part of the loop etc.....i will investigate more.....this is no= t my favorite looping technique though.....my fave is taking a LOOPPOOL tune= and looping it backwards and slowing it down about 74% all the while dying=20= my hair purple as the loop plays on.....the crowds go wild!.....:).....micha= el
p.s. i think that my equipment has taken on a "mind" of its own and for some= reason it wants to punish me.....could this be possible?
--part1_a3.5019eab5.2d338108_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 12 00:33:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0C5W3O14793; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 00:32:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 00:32:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 00:32:01 -0500 Subject: EDP New York Clinic (LaFosse/Reynolds) From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3156712321_1697854" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3156712321_1697854 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable My apologies to all, I=B9ve been in Mexico for 10 days with absolutely no email, so I=B9m a little behind the eight ball. I have received a few emails off list as Andre recommended, and have replie= d to all of them. I=B9m just getting back on top of everything. But for the record I have these people on my list so far as having reserved a place... Chris Payne John Mazzarella Alan Kroeger Lou Rossi HarryEsq? (sorry, don=B9t have your last name...) And details will follow. The actual event will be at my home in Sunnyside, Queens at 2 PM on Saturday, the 31st of January. The cost of $15 will go to cover some food and an honorarium for andre. Space is extremely limited so if I=B9ve missed you or if you wish to firmly reserve a place, please let me know asap. I=B9ll also be sharing my own combination hardware/software rig and the place the edp functions in my own hybrid music. The gathering will, however be just that, a gathering for us east coast list=B9ers to meet, exchange, and address our looping techniques and issues, although we=B9ll keep it pretty structured so as to invite the most out of th= e opportunity. Looking very much forward... Best, Todd --B_3156712321_1697854 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable EDP New York Clinic (LaFosse/Reynolds) My apologies to all, I= ’ve been in Mexico for 10 days with absolutely no email, so I’m = a little behind the eight ball.

I have received a few emails off list as Andre recommended, and have replie= d to all of them.  I’m just getting back on top of everything. &n= bsp;

But for the record I have these people on my list so far as having reserved= a place...

Chris Payne

John Mazzarella

Alan Kroeger

Lou Rossi

HarryEsq? (sorry, don’t have your last name...)

And details will follow.

The actual event will be at my home in Sunnyside, Queens at 2 PM on Saturda= y, the 31st of January. The cost of $15 will go to cover some food and an ho= norarium for andre.

Space is extremely limited so if I’ve missed you or if you wish to fi= rmly reserve a place, please let me know asap.

I’ll also be sharing my own combination hardware/software rig and the= place the edp functions in my own hybrid music.  

The gathering will, however be just that, a gathering for us east coast lis= t’ers to meet, exchange, and address our looping techniques and issues= , although we’ll keep it pretty structured so as to invite the most ou= t of the opportunity.

Looking very much forward...

Best,

Todd





--B_3156712321_1697854-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 12 01:07:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0C65VV19657; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 01:05:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 01:05:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <400237D7.E9F81C0@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 21:59:52 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New York/New Jersey Gigs: Andre LaFosse w/David Torn, John Mazzarella, Todd Reynolds and Peter Biedermann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Coming up the last week of this month... Wednesday, Jan. 28th: New York City Makor (http://www.makor.org) - Opening for David Torn This gig is part of the New York Guitar Festival (http://www.newyorkguitarfestival.org), and David will also be playing a short set in the midst of a "marathon" the Sunday before our gig on the 28th. Thursday, Jan. 29th: Woodstock, NY The Colony Cafe (http://www.colonycafe.com) Friday, January 30th: Denville, NJ The Town Grind Also performing are John Mazzarella (http://www.johnmazzarella.com) and Peter Biedermann (http://www.peterbiedermann.com), both singer-songwriter-loopers. Saturday, January 31st: Queens, NYC Clinic with Todd Reynolds (http://www.toddreynolds.com) - very limited availability, email toddreynolds (at) rcn.com Looking forward to seeing some of you out there! --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 12 01:49:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0C6kUG23272; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 01:46:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 01:46:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40024176.9AA744D0@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 22:40:54 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Los Angeles Gig Spam: Andre LaFosse and Steve Lawson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A last-minute addition to Slawson's current tour - Tuesday, January 20th - CalArts 24700 McBean Parkway, Santa Clarita The actual gig will be in the middle of the afternoon, in the school's Gamelan music room. Exact start date has yet to be nailed down, but should be somewhere around 3:00 - 4:00 PM, with sets from both of us and probably some duo stuff as well... A reminder with definite info will be posted shortly before the gig - email me if you have specific questions before then. --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 12 01:57:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0C6uMa24287; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 01:56:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 01:56:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40024380.2040308@mhorse.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 22:49:36 -0800 From: Daryl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: KASETTE LOOPING TECHNIQUE (+ sound samples) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050202050908070206070302" Resent-Message-ID: <5Ovj5D.A.W7F.WUkAAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050202050908070206070302 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael, Kim was nice enough to put my little treatise on cassette looping online, may give you some ideas: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tips/multitrack.html The dead spot (leader) in the loop is fairly typical, but there are some tapes identified as leaderless. You can make your own tapes with no leader too. To get around having to switch from input to tape to hear the track, use the cue section of the four-track. As soon as you switch the track out of record mode (with a punch-in pedal, or manually) you'll be able to control the volume with the cue for that track, and the track can still be set to input. There's no sound-on-sound (unless you make your own bastard tape that avoids the record head), so as soon as you're in record, you won't hear what was on the tape before, of course. The best suggestion I'd say right now is to get a punch-in pedal - a sustain pedal for a keyboard generally works. check the doc for more on that - and kudos for giving it a shot, I'd love to know what you come up with! I finally made a couple mp3's of my messing about with this format: This one is just a single track, illustrating the use of a punch-in pedal to drop in quick fragments, also using the tape-speed function switch for pitchshifting: http://www.mhorse.com/Music/singleloop.mp3 And this one uses four separate tracks, again with some punch-ins and pitchshifting: http://www.mhorse.com/Music/raptor.mp3 Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com > well, after several weeks, i finally popped the 20 sec return call > answering machine tape into my 4 trac.....a radio shack tape.....there > is a dead spot in the loop, the loop isn't seamless.....so if all you > have playing is the tape, you will have a portion of a sec. of > silence.....is this the nature of the beast?.....also, i had to stop > and switch the channel from input to tape in order to get it > playing.....not a very elligent system for "live looping" tm. .....but > as i sit here, i keep coming up with other ideas such as using the > "silence" as part of the loop etc.....i will investigate more.....this > is not my favorite looping technique though.....my fave is taking a > LOOPPOOL tune and looping it backwards and slowing it down about 74% > all the while > --------------050202050908070206070302 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Michael, Kim was nice enough to put my little treatise on cassette looping online, may give you some ideas:

http://www.loopers-delight.com/tips/multitrack.html

The dead spot (leader) in the loop is fairly typical, but there are some tapes identified as leaderless.  You can make your own tapes with no leader too.  To get around having to switch from input to tape to hear the track, use the cue section of the four-track.  As soon as you switch the track out of record mode (with a punch-in pedal, or manually) you'll be able to control the volume with the cue for that track, and the track can still be set to input.  There's no sound-on-sound (unless you make your own bastard tape that avoids the record head), so as soon as you're in record, you won't hear what was on the tape before, of course.

The best suggestion I'd say right now is to get a punch-in pedal - a sustain pedal for a keyboard generally works.  check the doc for more on that - and kudos for giving it a shot, I'd love to know what you come up with!

I finally made a couple mp3's of my messing about with this format:

This one is just a single track, illustrating the use of a punch-in pedal to drop in quick fragments, also using the tape-speed function switch for pitchshifting:
http://www.mhorse.com/Music/singleloop.mp3

And this one uses four separate tracks, again with some punch-ins and pitchshifting:
http://www.mhorse.com/Music/raptor.mp3

Daryl Shawn
highhorse@mhorse.com

well, after several weeks, i finally popped the 20 sec return call answering machine tape into my 4 trac.....a radio shack tape.....there is a dead spot in the loop, the loop isn't seamless.....so if all you have playing is the tape, you will have a portion of a sec. of silence.....is this the nature of the beast?.....also, i had to stop and switch the channel from input to tape in order to get it playing.....not a very elligent system for "live looping" tm. .....but as i sit here, i keep coming up with other ideas such as using the "silence" as part of the loop etc.....i will investigate more.....this is not my favorite looping technique though.....my fave is taking a LOOPPOOL tune and looping it backwards and slowing it down about 74% all the while


--------------050202050908070206070302-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 12 05:27:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0CAPwm20699; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 05:25:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 05:25:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-13.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1073903092!6712943 X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.15; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533E9C@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Lexicon JamMan malfunctioning Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:17:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3D8F5.42CE9D90" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3D8F5.42CE9D90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>Can/should I consider replacing the encoder on my own and if so where cou= ld I locate an encoder and how much are they going for?<< if you're reasonably sure it's the encoder.... can you solder, first of all= ? can you trust yourself inside something like a jam-man not to zap any of = the delicate parts?=20 if you can, the encoder is easy to change. it's three connections, like a r= egular pot. they can be sourced reasonably cheaply if you can get onto a no= n-retail parts place. I bought a bunch of generic encoders direct from emu = a few years ago when I got wind of a similar problem with their proteus mod= ules; I think they were about $6 each. farnell in the UK is showing a famil= iar-looking ALPS unit for =A32.55- I'd attach a jpeg if the list would allo= w. maybe I can get into the photos section... duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may=20 not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct=20 and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3D8F5.42CE9D90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Lexicon JamMan malfunctioning

>>Can/should I consider replacing the encoder on my= own and if so where could I locate an encoder and how much are they going = for?<<

if you're reasonably sure it's the encoder.... can you so= lder, first of all? can you trust yourself inside something like a jam-man = not to zap any of the delicate parts?

if you can, the encoder is easy to change. it's three con= nections, like a regular pot. they can be sourced reasonably cheaply if you= can get onto a non-retail parts place. I bought a bunch of generic encoder= s direct from emu a few years ago when I got wind of a similar problem with= their proteus modules; I think they were about $6 each. farnell in the UK = is showing a familiar-looking ALPS unit for =A32.55- I'd attach a jpeg if t= he list would allow. maybe I can get into the photos section...

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C3D8F5.42CE9D90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 12 06:36:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0CBX9W28633; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 06:33:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 06:33:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 06:28:03 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: FAVORITE LOOPING TECHNIQUE To: Nemoguitt@aol.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003301c3d8ff$fb03dba0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Xyx+miJFIsS1NDjYzeI/hw)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <08j3oC.A.N_G.1XoAAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_Xyx+miJFIsS1NDjYzeI/hw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Michael asked for a further explanation of One note defining each chord, each note maybe four seconds long, then silence. Okay. To recap, run two long delays at slightly different lengths, say 18 and 18.5 seconds. In your head, hold the chord progression Am7/Cm7/Ebm7/Gbm7 (note that this is slightly different than the first progresssion I proposed, and better. I was tired last night.) On the first pass, play the note sequence C-C-Db-Db. Each note should last four seconds, then rest (silence) for approx. 2.5 seconds, or until you hear the first pass begin again. On the second pass, play the sequence A-Bb-Bb-A, same note length and silence. On the third pass, play the sequence G-G-Gb-Gb, same note length/silence. On the fourth pass, play E-Eb-Eb-E, same note length/silence. The result (and I hope this reads okay on all your screens): First pass: Delay 1: C - C - Db - Db - (silence) Delay 2: C - C - Db - Db - (silence) Second pass: Delay 1: A - Bb - Bb - A - (silence) C - C - Db - Db - (silence) Delay 2: A - Bb - Bb - A - (silence) C - C - Db - Db - (silence) Third pass: Delay 1: G - G - Gb - Gb - (silence) A - Bb - Bb - A - (silence) C - C - Db - Db - (silence) Delay 2: G - G - Gb - Gb - (silence A - Bb - Bb - A - (silence) C - C - Db - Db - (silence) Fourth pass: Delay 1: E - Eb - Eb - E - (silence) G - G - Gb - Gb - (silence) A - Bb - Bb - A - (silence) C - C - Db - Db - (silence) Delay 2: E - Eb - Eb - E - (silence) G - G - Gb - Gb - (silence A - Bb - Bb - A - (silence) C - C - Db - Db - (silence) Notice that now, if you read vertically, the A is beginning to overlap into the Cm; the C is beginning to overlap into the Ebm, etc. Wait a little longer (and maybe add some more notes diatonic to each tonal center) and the two delays are generating two chord progressions all over each other. Sounds/feels like slowly crossing your eyes until each is looking out the opposite ear. Wait long enough and they cycle around to normal again. Sense? Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net --Boundary_(ID_Xyx+miJFIsS1NDjYzeI/hw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Michael asked for a further explanation of
 
One note defining each chord, each note maybe four seconds long,
then silence.
 
Okay. To recap, run two long delays at slightly different lengths, say 18 and 18.5 seconds. In your head, hold the chord progression Am7/Cm7/Ebm7/Gbm7 (note that this is slightly different than the first progresssion I proposed, and better. I was tired last night.) On the first pass, play the note sequence C-C-Db-Db. Each note should last four seconds, then rest (silence) for approx. 2.5 seconds, or until you hear the first pass begin again. On the second pass, play the sequence A-Bb-Bb-A, same note length and silence. On the third pass, play the sequence G-G-Gb-Gb, same note length/silence. On the fourth pass, play E-Eb-Eb-E, same note length/silence.
    The result (and I hope this reads okay on all your screens):
First pass:
Delay 1: C - C - Db - Db - (silence)
Delay 2: C - C - Db - Db - (silence)
 
Second pass:
Delay 1: A - Bb - Bb - A - (silence)
                 C - C - Db - Db - (silence)
Delay 2: A - Bb - Bb - A - (silence)
               C - C - Db - Db - (silence)
 
Third pass:
Delay 1: G - G - Gb - Gb - (silence)
             A - Bb - Bb - A - (silence)
                 C - C - Db - Db - (silence)
Delay 2: G - G - Gb - Gb - (silence
                A - Bb - Bb - A - (silence)
                  C - C - Db - Db - (silence)
 
Fourth pass: 
Delay 1: E - Eb - Eb - E - (silence)
             G - G - Gb - Gb - (silence)
             A - Bb - Bb - A - (silence)
                 C - C - Db - Db - (silence)
Delay 2: E - Eb - Eb - E - (silence)
                G - G - Gb - Gb - (silence
                   A - Bb - Bb - A - (silence)
                     C - C - Db - Db - (silence)
 
Notice that now, if you read vertically, the A is beginning to overlap into the Cm; the C is beginning to overlap into the Ebm, etc. Wait a little longer (and maybe add some more notes diatonic to each tonal center) and the two delays are generating two chord progressions all over each other. Sounds/feels like slowly crossing your eyes until each is looking out the opposite ear. Wait long enough and they cycle around to normal again.
Sense? 
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
coyotelk@optonline.net
--Boundary_(ID_Xyx+miJFIsS1NDjYzeI/hw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 12 06:42:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0CBcB529330; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 06:38:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 06:38:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005b01c3d900$da8d5a30$0200a8c0@waggy> From: "Tias" To: References: <200401111751.i0BHpLO02354@hemlock.violacea.com> <008001c3d8a7$9a1ff6f0$0601a8c0@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: FAVORITE LOOPING TECHNIQUE Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:40:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ableton Live with 4 channels (usually) with my BPM Synced LiveLooping VST-plugin (in development at the moment). Propellerheads Reason as synth-source plugged into Ableton. And a Mic that i use to pick up ambience and play with beerglasses, bootles, toy harmonicas or other audible things. I set each plugin (each track that is) to a separate length, at the moment totally random quantized lengths since i haven't incorporated a "set length to X amount of 1/4,1/8,1/16", but that gives a nice randomness to the layering of the music in the end. Then i usually just strike a note on my keyboard at random to set the "key" of the song and to get a feel of the tempo when the note bounces back, or i use my Mic and send that into the plugin with some VSTeffect ontop so it produces some kind of ambient sound that sets the mood. Then i start improving ontop of that, sending Reason or the Mic to the different channels and playing base,mid and high range on the leyboard into different channels so i can easily for example fade out the bass and replace it with a new bass. That's pretty much it. Oh, i do have a ReDrum in Reason that i program on the fly and some other Drumloops that i've preproduced earlier, but i route them through different delay/rearranging plugins also and have remotecontroll over those to so i can do breaks, fills and variations. It might sound like a pretty hefty setup but it's all software on my portable 2.0ghz (i get 5ms inputlatency and 10ms ou with directx driversin ableton) and it's controlled with my Edirol PCR-30 and i haven't had any problems yet. The biggest test i've put the "rig" through was on Iceland last august (without my own plugin that time but similar effectrouting in Ableton with multiple delays) i played a 3 hour gig and it went splendid! So i'm all for software. ;) /Tias ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 2:01 AM Subject: FAVORITE LOOPING TECHNIQUE > I think it would be cool to read about everyone's favorite looping > techniques or tricks. Anybody with me here? > > Rick > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 12 06:57:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0CBrw530834; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 06:53:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 06:53:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: FAVORITE LOOPING TECHNIQUE Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 06:53:56 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: FAVORITE LOOPING TECHNIQUE Thread-Index: AcPYp6Z/+EXy1kPATnynRYY6rUMy2QAWsQXQ From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2004 11:53:56.0310 (UTC) FILETIME=[C1EB6F60:01C3D902] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i0CBrwk30811 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmmm ... someone kind of already mentioned this but ... 1. As a Stick player, it's harder to have notes in an arpeggiated chord ring like on a guitar. So I will play patterns but instead of just playing them, build them up over several passes of a loop. Originally, the idea was to have the result be somewhat guitar like but usually it ends up sounding more like a harp. 2. I love the "multiply" function on my EDP. Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 8:01 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: FAVORITE LOOPING TECHNIQUE > > I think it would be cool to read about everyone's favorite looping > techniques or tricks. Anybody with me here? > > Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 12 09:10:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0CE3BA18589; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 09:03:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 09:03:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:03:05 +0100 Subject: Re: FAVORITE LOOPING TECHNIQUE From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003301c3d8ff$fb03dba0$9715be18@oemcomputer> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-01-12 12.28, "Douglas Baldwin" wrote: > Okay. To recap, run two long delays at slightly different lengths, say 18 and > 18.5 seconds/////// That's a nice technique! I like to use my two hardware loopers in a similar way, by overdub recording into two loops of different lengths (using EDP + Repeater). I also like to jump between sync and no sync between the loopers. When I'm running them synced I'm always slaving the Repeater, since it can time stretch and catch up on the fly. Sometimes I change the sync reference in the EDP (call up a new program with a different 8th/cycle setting) to kick the slave into another tempo. This can give some nice polyrhythmic effects. But my favorite looping techniques are simply mental, just the normal techniques to stay focused and perform from the center position of my body. This is what makes the difference for me and I try to minimize my set-up both technically and in ways of options. I like options but there is a definite limit where you loose the freedom of improvisation. That's a mental limit, although based on the technical set-up. I'd rather stretch out than stretch the limits ;-) -- Best wishes Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 12 09:52:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0CEolf25059; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 09:50:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 09:50:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [195.195.187.11] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Where can I get Loop4 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:50:40 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2004 14:50:40.0983 (UTC) FILETIME=[72CC1E70:01C3D91B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Kim , thanks for that I've just ordered it now, looking forward to taking the next step in my looping path. Phill _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 12 09:54:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0CEnV124782; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 09:49:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 09:49:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [195.195.187.11] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FAVORITE LOOPING TECHNIQUE Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:49:24 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2004 14:49:24.0759 (UTC) FILETIME=[455D4270:01C3D91B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have put some time into pondering the idea of a "favorite technique, innitially thinking that the nature of having or allowing one's self to have a favorite technique would lead to a stagnation of style and end up with many pieces that all sound similar, however, given a nights sleep to ponder further I now figure that most of the bands that i REALLY like have a distinct stlye of play or a reocurring theme in many of their works that kind of makes their song sound "theirs" so I figure maybe focusing on a good solid technique and verients thereof would maybe lead to a more recognisable me-ness!!!!! HMMMM.....note so self , gotta stop babbling on..... well anyhoo, I figure the approach that i use most ofter goes as follows, 1. set up small rhythm section by banging on my guitar in verious ways, 2. multiply out whilst adding either chords or basslines 3. overdub this longer loop with faded in guitar bits (all of these are heavily effected and beging to shound like an arenged string part) 4, hammer home the endsection by using something along the lines of the Digitech SynthWha set to an upward frequency filter to get a loud space filling effect. rtp to solo and add vocals!!! Anyways, on that note I'll duck out. CU on the flip side Phill _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 12 11:01:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0CFwdB03082; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:58:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:58:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:58:36 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: repeater instant reverse From: Paul Greenstein To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <2E2A251E-4518-11D8-B94B-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this is just me being totally lazy, but I'm wondering if anyone else has already figured out how to do this (maybe it's not possible). Using the FCB1010 and repeater, I want to be able to play a phrase, then hit one switch, and immediately hear the phrase reversed. I then want to be able to play another phrase, and hear that one reversed (by hitting the same switch) and so on... I suppose it would be something like getting one switch to disable overdub mode, clear the current loop, go into record, and toggle reverse on/off. The more I think about it, the more unlikely it seems, but anyway.... cheers Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 12 11:28:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0CGE5Z07039; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:14:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:14:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4002C7B3.76E61CBF@voicenet.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:13:39 -0500 From: Charles Cohen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: looking for a direct box for Repeater Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm looking for a small, not too expensive, decent quality, stereo direct box for my Repeater Three I'm considering: - ART dPDB Dual Passive Direct Box (around $50) http://artproaudio.com/products_main.asp?cat=12&id=60&type=89&show= - Whirlwind pcDI or Whirlwind Direct-2 - Passive Direct Boxes- (around $130) http://www.whirlwindusa.com/dirbox.html - Rolls ADi6 - Active Direct Box (around $60 - but its mono so I'd need 2) http://www.rolls.com/new/adi6.html Any one with experience with any of these products? Other ideas in this price range? Charles From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 12 11:46:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0CGdBc11592; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:39:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:39:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 08:39:12 -0800 From: Bob Amstadt Reply-To: Bob Amstadt To: Loopers Delight Subject: Steve Lawson clinic in San Jose on January 24th Message-ID: <4216366244.1073896752@[192.168.1.101]> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.2.1 (Win32) X-Habeas-SWE-1: winter into spring X-Habeas-SWE-2: brightly anticipated X-Habeas-SWE-3: like Habeas SWE (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). The sender of this X-Habeas-SWE-6: email in exchange for a license for this Habeas X-Habeas-SWE-7: warrant mark warrants that this is a Habeas Compliant X-Habeas-SWE-8: Message (HCM) and not spam. Please report use of this X-Habeas-SWE-9: mark in spam to . MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Steve Lawson will be teaching an all day clinic in San Jose, CA on January 24th. Steve indicated that the day will include "time for lunch, Q and A, and sessions on tone, technique, gear, and some solo stuff." It should be a great day and is being limited to 12 students. Also in attendance will be Mark Wright from Accugroove speaker cabinets. The cost of this clinic is $55 payable directly to Steve. Because of the limited number of students, we highly recommend that you contact Steve or myself to reserve your spot. 6 of the 12 spots are already reserved. The clinic will be held in my home. I will provide directions to attendees prior to the event. Thanks, Bob Amstadt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 12 12:32:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0CHLR419467; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:21:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:21:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040112172123.10530.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 09:21:23 -0800 (PST) From: dylan Reply-To: dylanhassinger@yahoo.com Subject: any loopers in st. louis?? employment opportunity To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello st. louis loopers, are you out there? first off, we should get to know each other, or get together sometime and talk shop. good times. secondly, i write this email while on a mission. my name's dylan, i am the new pro audio department manager at guitar center in crestwood. we are looking for the right person to fill a hole in our department, and since loopers-delight is one of my sources for wisdom, i figured this would be a good place to turn. the job is a challenging one, with pros and cons, which i will be completely up front about. it is retail sales, of course. it's not for everybody, but it is a learning experience and can be fun, and you get a great discount. the ideal candidate would be quick on their feet, personable, have a decent knowledge of recording and live sound, and be enthusiastically up for a challenge. if you or someone you know might be interested, please contact me and i will give much more details. you can email me, or call me up at the store. thanks! dylan dylanhassinger@yahoo.com guitar center crestwood: 314-918-7660 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 12 12:34:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0CHOsF19932; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:24:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:24:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: repeater instant reverse Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:24:51 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: repeater instant reverse Thread-Index: AcPZJP7k797Z7vv2Rb2Y5d/vdJXnDAAC6QpQ From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2004 17:24:51.0987 (UTC) FILETIME=[FCD34E30:01C3D930] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i0CHOrk19905 Resent-Message-ID: <95thLC.A.R3E.mhtAAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't know about the Repeater but you can do this on the EDP. And since you use fairly basic controls to do it, you might be able to try this and see if it works on the Repeater. On the EDP, you can end a record by hitting reverse at which point your loop stops recording, switches to reverse, and starts playing back backwards. If you then turn your feedback to zero (one repeat only) then voila. Hit record, play a phrase, hit reverse, phrase plays back one time in reverse, repeat all of the above steps. Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Greenstein [mailto:paul@ubiq.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 10:59 AM > To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: repeater instant reverse > > this is just me being totally lazy, but I'm wondering if anyone else > has already figured out how to do this (maybe it's not possible). > > Using the FCB1010 and repeater, I want to be able to play a phrase, > then hit one switch, and immediately hear the phrase reversed. I then > want to be able to play another phrase, and hear that one reversed (by > hitting the same switch) and so on... > > I suppose it would be something like getting one switch to disable > overdub mode, clear the current loop, go into record, and toggle > reverse on/off. The more I think about it, the more unlikely it seems, > but anyway.... > > cheers > > Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 12 12:57:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0CHnhK23623; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:49:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:49:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Last chance on my Roland VS Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:49:40 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Last chance on my Roland VS Thread-Index: AcPZNHPJiIS21k/5RBSU3NCgJGl2Sg== From: "Glenn Poorman" To: , "Loopers Delight" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2004 17:49:40.0705 (UTC) FILETIME=[742BA510:01C3D934] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i0CHnhk23598 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I have it on my "to do" list to draft up my Ebay add today for my Roland VS-1880 digital disk recorder. I will probably list it on Wednesday or Thursday. So if you're interested, check out my garage sale items at http://www.detroitstick.com/music/gear/forsale and get hold of me before then. Glenn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 12 13:31:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0CIQIE31006; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:26:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:26:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: DialaThos@aol.com Message-ID: <5b.451e989f.2d3440b9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:26:01 EST Subject: Gig Spam: Jerry Marotta and Tom Griesgraber To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Just a quick note to pass along that post-NAMM I'll be doing a pair of duo shows with drummer Jerry Marotta in S. CA. They are: Tom Griesgraber - Chapman Stick (with some loops, Stick-synth, etc) Jerry Marotta - drums and percussion Los Angeles - Wed Jan 21, 8pm Molly Malone's - 575 S. Fairfax Ave $10, tickets at the door. www.mollymalonesla.com San Diego - Thu Jan 22, 8pm Dizzy's - 344 7th (between J and K) $12, tickets at the door. All Ages. We'll also be doing a pair of radio shows broadcast both on San Diego FM stations, and the internet: Th - Jan 15, 7:15pm (PT) on KSDS Jazz 88 88.3FM in San Diego, www.jazz88.org (live call in show for us from NAMM, but they should have some new music from us to play) Wed Jan 21, 6:30pm (PT) on KPBS's show "The Lounge" 89.5 FM in San Diego, www.kpbs.org (taped show of a live studio appearance the day before). While I'm spending your bandwith... I'll also be playing solo at: Stick Night LA (featuring short sets from 11 of the world's best Stick playe rs) Fri Jan 16, 7-11 PM - The Gig in Los Angeles 8771 W Pico in Los Angeles - 7-11pm tel: 310-275-2619, tickets $12 at the door and: 46 Annual Grammy Awards Show Post Party Feb 8, I'll be playing solo from 9:15pm-12:45am Los Angeles (private event... I throw it in here just in case anyone is going.. and probably because it makes me look cooler than I actually am ;) Thanks for reading.. do say hi if you make it to any of these. I'll also be demoing for and hanging around the Sennheiser and Stick Enterprises' booths at NAMM. I'm quite eager to talk looping these days. Best, Tom Griesgraber www.thossounds.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 12 14:14:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0CJ89P06121; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:08:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:08:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: Subject: Re: FAVORITE LOOPING TECHNIQUE Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:08:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2004 19:08:02.0838 (UTC) FILETIME=[66DC3360:01C3D93F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not neccessarily my FAVORITE technique, but still one I like. On the EDP I get a short loop going with a distinct downbeat. Then I hit multiply and watch the counter, as soon as I see it go from "1" to "2", I hit record. Now I have almost the same loop, but its just a tiny bit longer (slower) and it has a double downbeat in a stuttery sort of way. I keep doing this until its really slow and stuttery. (Andre does a similar thing using a sus-insert command to insert tiny little snippets, which gives the illusion that the loop is slowing down in a granular sort of way). In the same way, you can speed a loop up by an unrounded multiply the ends just before the loop is done. You can keep doing this until your loop is 02 seconds long and you just have a bone-chilling buzzing noise coming out... Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 12 14:16:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0CJAI006416; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:10:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:10:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <33.42e62f86.2d344af4@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:09:40 EST Subject: Re: KASETTE LOOPING TECHNIQUE (+ sound samples) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_33.42e62f86.2d344af4_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: <5yx13.A.GkB.aEvAAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_33.42e62f86.2d344af4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thanks daryl.....your piece on tape looping was very informative.....i remember reading it several weeks ago, good stuff.....so "leaderless" tapes are availiable, that's good to know.....i would love to hear your samples but everytime i try to listen to something my puter crashes.....i'm hooked on this tape thing, in fact since my cd recorder died i'm getting back to the 4 trac, it's fun relearning it.....michael --part1_33.42e62f86.2d344af4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks=20= daryl.....your piece on tape looping was very informative.....i remember rea= ding it several weeks ago, good stuff.....so "leaderless" tapes are availiab= le, that's good to know.....i would love to hear your samples but everytime=20= i try to listen to something my puter crashes.....i'm hooked on this tape th= ing, in fact since my cd recorder died i'm getting back to the 4 trac, it's=20= fun relearning it.....michael --part1_33.42e62f86.2d344af4_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 12 14:21:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0CJDH607068; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:13:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:13:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <7e.44dec66d.2d344bc6@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:13:10 EST Subject: Re: FAVORITE LOOPING TECHNIQUE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7e.44dec66d.2d344bc6_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_7e.44dec66d.2d344bc6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/12/04 6:33:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, coyotelk@optonline.net writes: > Sense? > douglas.....gotcha! this is sort of what i thought you had meant.....thanks for the clarification.....michael --part1_7e.44dec66d.2d344bc6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a me= ssage dated 1/12/04 6:33:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, coyotelk@optonline.net= writes:


Sense?


douglas.....gotcha! this is sort of what i thought you had meant.....thanks=20= for the clarification.....michael
--part1_7e.44dec66d.2d344bc6_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 12 14:40:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0CJXho09729; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:33:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:33:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.144.36.162] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mattdavignon@hotmail.com From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: FAVORITE LOOPING TECHNIQUE Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:33:36 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2004 19:33:37.0112 (UTC) FILETIME=[F95BD580:01C3D942] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My favorite loops are the ones which still have noticeable events in them, but you eventually lose track of where they begin and end. Since the loopers I use the most have a 4 second time limit, the "seam" (aka start point) comes up more often. To combat this, I often turn them out of phase while sampling the same thing. That way, it takes several revolutions of a single loop before the listener could discern a repeat of the 2-loops-perceived-as-one-loop. On my new dealie of looping a drum machine with a dl-4, I tend to create a take of semi-rhythmic normal drum machine fare, then apply a layer of semi-random extraneous noises, then repeat, changing the sound identities of the drum machine the whole time. Btw, This saturday, I'll be doing a set of looped turntable and drum machine (not at the same time, since that would make me a "dj"). The event is an all electronics music night as part of the week-long "Neighborhood Public Radio" festival-like-thing at 21 Grand (449B 23rd St) in Oakland, California. The whole thing runs from 4pm-11:30pm. I'm tentatively slated to be on at 10:00. Other acts include Tim Perkis + Wobbly, Big City Orchestra, RAJAR (manipulated live radio), CMAU (home-built instruments & laptops), & Recursive Heretics (sax & processing duo). More info at http://www.21grand.org/20040117.html _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online virus check for your PC here, from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 12 14:56:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0CJmUb11803; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:48:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:48:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040112112223.01a94950@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> X-Files: the truth is out there. Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:47:03 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: RE: repeater instant reverse In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes - this is otherwise known as Andre LaFosse's "The Solo Duet (or Palindrome) Technique". http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP/2001.html At 09:24 AM 2004/01/12, Glenn Poorman wrote: >On the EDP, you can end a record by hitting reverse at which >point your loop stops recording, switches to reverse, and starts >playing back backwards. If you then turn your feedback to zero >(one repeat only) then voila. Hit record, play a phrase, hit >reverse, phrase plays back one time in reverse, repeat all of >the above steps. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 12 16:04:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0CKxil25696; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:59:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:59:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 20:59:43 +0000 Subject: Re: repeater instant reverse Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Paul Greenstein To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <3EF04C58-4542-11D8-B94B-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: <11COzC.A.YRG.ArwAAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Unfortunately the Repeater doesn't come out of record if you hit reverse. You have to hit play or record again before reverse can be engaged. On Monday, January 12, 2004, at 05:24 pm, Glenn Poorman wrote: > I don't know about the Repeater but you can do this on the EDP. > And since you use fairly basic controls to do it, you might be > able to try this and see if it works on the Repeater. > > On the EDP, you can end a record by hitting reverse at which > point your loop stops recording, switches to reverse, and starts > playing back backwards. If you then turn your feedback to zero > (one repeat only) then voila. Hit record, play a phrase, hit > reverse, phrase plays back one time in reverse, repeat all of > the above steps. > > Glenn > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Paul Greenstein [mailto:paul@ubiq.co.uk] >> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 10:59 AM >> To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: repeater instant reverse >> >> this is just me being totally lazy, but I'm wondering if anyone else >> has already figured out how to do this (maybe it's not possible). >> >> Using the FCB1010 and repeater, I want to be able to play a phrase, >> then hit one switch, and immediately hear the phrase reversed. I then >> want to be able to play another phrase, and hear that one reversed (by > >> hitting the same switch) and so on... >> >> I suppose it would be something like getting one switch to disable >> overdub mode, clear the current loop, go into record, and toggle >> reverse on/off. The more I think about it, the more unlikely it seems, > >> but anyway.... >> >> cheers >> >> Paul > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 12 17:42:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0CMRmX08197; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 17:27:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 17:27:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4003229D.877976B7@erols.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 17:41:33 -0500 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FAVORITE LOOPING TECHNIQUE References: <200401111751.i0BHpLO02354@hemlock.violacea.com> <008001c3d8a7$9a1ff6f0$0601a8c0@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "loop.pool" wrote: > I think it would be cool to read about everyone's favorite looping > techniques or tricks. Anybody with me here? > > Rick Here is a really simple, musical one to use with the EDP. I refer to it as creating random substitue ostinatos, and I got the idea from Andre's website. 1. Set the 8ths cycle to 16th notes (or any other appropriate subdivision) 2. Set insert to Substitue 3. Create an empty loop that will be the time of one measure of your intended song/piece 4. Hold sustained notes on your instrument diatonic to the key of your song and randomly tap the insert button. 5. You will start to hear a very rhythmic diatonic ostinato 6. Press the parameter button, and then tap the next loop button when you feel the down beat. This step will change the startpoint of the loop to wherever the natural downbeat is. It's not a necessary step to this technique, I find it useful to do, especially if I am going to multiply the inital loop out. 7. From here the sky's the limit, multiply out and add a bass line or a chord progression. Happy looping, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 12 19:11:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0D06PI25046; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:06:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:06:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <19d.1f542b14.2d349074@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:06:12 EST Subject: mackie mixer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_19d.1f542b14.2d349074_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: <8ybsOB.A.NHG.BazAAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_19d.1f542b14.2d349074_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit found this out today.....if you do the "LEVEL-SETTING PROCEDURE" on a 1202 vlz-pro mixer there is an improvement in sound.....for awhile now my mixer was not doing what i wanted.....the "L-S P" got me back where i wanted it to be.....i'm feeling closer to my machines and i may feed them tonite!.....it's good to re-read the manuals.....at last after several kind folk told me about "alt 3-4", re-reading about it i now got's the big picture and can see where many things can be done with it.....oh happy day.....a mini aha experience.....thanks to MR RICK (every teenagers dream) WALKER for heppin me to this crazy "L-S P" stuff.....boy if rick only did windows!.....michael --part1_19d.1f542b14.2d349074_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable found t= his out today.....if you do the "LEVEL-SETTING PROCEDURE" on a 1202 vlz-pro=20= mixer there is an improvement in sound.....for awhile now my mixer was not d= oing what i wanted.....the "L-S P" got me back where i wanted it to be.....i= 'm feeling closer to my machines and i may feed them tonite!.....it's good t= o re-read the manuals.....at last after several kind folk told me about "alt= 3-4", re-reading about it i now got's the big picture and can see where man= y things can be done with it.....oh happy day.....a mini aha experience.....= thanks to MR RICK (every teenagers dream) WALKER for heppin me to this crazy= "L-S P" stuff.....boy if rick only did windows!.....michael --part1_19d.1f542b14.2d349074_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 12 21:30:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0D2EH913451; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:14:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:14:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 02:01:47 +0100 Subject: Re: repeater instant reverse From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2E2A251E-4518-11D8-B94B-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <97OumC.A.DSD.5R1AAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-01-12 16.58, "Paul Greenstein" wrote: > Using the FCB1010 and repeater, I want to be able to play a phrase, > then hit one switch, and immediately hear the phrase reversed. I then > want to be able to play another phrase, and hear that one reversed (by > hitting the same switch) and so on... The reverse function does not work while the Repeater is running in record mode. Sorry. On the EDP I can do it but not on the Repeater. -- Best wishes Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 12 23:45:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0D4gB102099; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 23:42:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 23:42:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emile@foryourhead.com@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <200401120114.i0C1Eow07528@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 23:39:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Where to repair a JamMan Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Unless they have changed their policy, Lex no longer repairs JamMen. Try Bob Sellon At 6:13 PM -0800 1/11/04, Travis Hartnett wrote: >Lex used to have a flat-fee repair policy for boxes from that era >(Vortex, Alex, etc). I seem to remember $135 being the magic number >for repairing anything on it. Give them a buzz and they'll give you >the current skinny. > >TravisH > >On Jan 11, 2004, at 5:14 PM, >Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: >> >> >> >>So my questions are what are my options? Does Lexicon still >>service the Jammans? How much can I expect that they will charge >>for repair? Anybody know of anyplace else to have it serviced, >>ideally in the Seattle area? Can/should I consider replacing the >>encoder on my own and if so where could I locate an encoder and how >>much are they going for? >> >>Any insight anybody can offer is greatly appreciated. >> >>please and thanks, >>dtrager2@comcast.net -- "Any universe simple enough to be understood is too simple to produce a mind able to understand it" -- John D. Barrow This conjecture strikes me as a logical extension of Godel's Incompleteness Theorem. Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 13 00:05:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0D4xjJ06240; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 23:59:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 23:59:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 23:58:32 -0500 Subject: Re: Where to repair a JamMan From: Ed Drake To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 1/12/04 11:39 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) at emile@foryourhead.com wrote: > Unless they have changed their policy, Lex no longer repairs JamMen. > Try Bob Sellon Loopers, Bob Sellon no longer repairs JamMen but his buddy Jim Fabiano at www.JimFabiano.com fixes them as well as about anything else that Lexicn has ever made. Check out his website as there are more details there. Ed From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 13 04:05:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0D92v509586; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 04:02:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 04:02:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: OFFICIAL Announcement of SATURDAY loopers meeting at NAMM Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 01:02:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcPWnKDyYa7xcYMjT/+lHQAgP6QlVwDFqGYw In-Reply-To: <006201c3d69c$6dd87390$0601a8c0@DAYGLOGREEN> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com SATURDAY, 12 NOON at 12 NOON at the Starr Labs (#1006, Hall E) TO GET THERE: Hall E is the furthest left hall (as seen when facing the convention at the main entrance) and on the lower level (down the escalators). And, booth #1006 will be one of the first ones you come to on the furthest left side of the that room too. Hey, I know this is redundant, but Rick encouraged me to reiterate . . . It is the nature of the looper, ya know . . . Also this just in . . . Harvey sounded sicker than a dog on the telephone tonight (respiratory something) so I think I will be at the booth more hours than I had planned. I am planning to give as much attention to presenting looping as I can in the context of pimping the Ztar (a synth controller for guitarist). Come early to the booth on Saturday or come back after lunch and I will show ya what I been working on forever! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 13 08:43:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0DDehT21279; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 08:40:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 08:40:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.193.127.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Original-From: "Weg" Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:37:53 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mackie mixer X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Weg Message-Id: <20040113.053824.490.852457@webmail25.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:1:1587917751 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have one of these mixers but do not have the manual. Does anyone know if it is online? Thanx in advance, Weg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 13 09:05:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0DE1P025447; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:01:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:01:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 14:01:24 +0000 Subject: Re: repeater instant reverse Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Paul Greenstein To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No, it doesn't seem to be possible on the Repeater. I spent several hours yesterday trying various combinations of PC and CC messages from my FCB, but no luck. The Repeater seems unable to accept multiple messages (I don't know if other devices can), so you can't flip out of record and reverse with a single switch. I may give up on this one. Shame. I did manage to accidently come up with a completely different technique by mistake though, so the evening wasn't a complete loss. Thanks to everyone for their contributions though. cheers Paul On Tuesday, January 13, 2004, at 01:01 am, Per Boysen wrote: > On 04-01-12 16.58, "Paul Greenstein" wrote: > >> Using the FCB1010 and repeater, I want to be able to play a phrase, >> then hit one switch, and immediately hear the phrase reversed. I then >> want to be able to play another phrase, and hear that one reversed (by >> hitting the same switch) and so on... > > The reverse function does not work while the Repeater is running in > record > mode. Sorry. On the EDP I can do it but not on the Repeater. > > -- > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.looproom.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 13 10:40:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0DFZhJ06688; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:35:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:35:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010001c3d9dd$16117af0$0207a8c0@Stephen> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <20040113.053824.490.852457@webmail25.nyc.untd.com> Subject: Re: mackie mixer Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:56:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Weg" asked: > I have one of these mixers but do not have the manual. Does anyone know if it is online? Ditto, I have the manual somewhere in a box in this old house ... and so I wondered myself. Here's whatcha need! Micro Series 1202-VLZ (MS1202-VLZ): Product Page http://www.mackie.com/products/ms1202vlz/index.html Manual (PDF) http://www.mackie.com/pdf/archive/ms1202vlz_om.pdf Architect's Specs (PDF) http://www.mackie.com/pdf/archive/ms1202vlz_arch.pdf Contractor's Specs (PDF) http://www.mackie.com/pdf/archive/ms1202vlz_contr.pdf HTH. Steve Goodman * EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 13 10:48:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0DFjNH08246; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:45:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:45:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <7E7E1D82-45DF-11D8-8E46-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Gig spam [Seattle]: Travis Hartnett 1/16 and 1/17 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 07:45:20 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got two shows this week, doing some acoustic guitar instrumental looping: 8-10PM Friday, January 16 at El Diablo Coffee (1811 Queen Anne Ave. N. #101) and 7-9PM Saturday, January 17 at Hotwire (17551 15th Ave. NE). There's no cover at either show. There will be some new material for this new year. Be seeing you, Travis *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 13 10:49:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0DFhkc07853; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:43:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:43:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040113154339.41854.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 07:43:39 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: mackie mixer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200401131405.i0DE5wC25926@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Uh, how do I say this without sounding condescending? Go to www.mackie.com. Click on Mixers. Click on 1402. Click on "Owner's manual (2.2MB)" Damn, I failed at that one... Stephen << Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0DFovl09202; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:50:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:50:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00cb01c3d9ed$07490b90$0601a8c0@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: References: <200401131405.i0DE5wT25929@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: favorite looping technique Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 07:50:54 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Scoots Galore wrote: "found this out today.....if you do the "LEVEL-SETTING PROCEDURE" on a 1202 vlz-pro mixer there is an improvement in sound.....for awhile now my mixer was not doing what i wanted.....the "L-S P" got me back where i wanted it to be.....i'm feeling closer to my machines and i may feed them tonite!.....it's good to re-read the manuals.....at last after several kind folk told me about "alt 3-4", re-reading about it i now got's the big picture and can see where many things can be done with it.....oh happy day.....a mini aha experience.....thanks to MR RICK (every teenagers dream) WALKER for heppin me to this crazy "L-S P" stuff.....boy if rick only did windows!.....michael " But, Miguelito, I do DO windows! I'm also a newbie to OS X as well. signed MR RICK (putting the man back into MANN act) WALKER . ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ............................no, that's sick. I'm actually very happily married to the most wonderful and talented woman I've ever met. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 13 12:31:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0DHMTC23404; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:22:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:22:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40042905.3010709@fast.net> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:21:09 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: [Fwd: Re: looking for a direct box for Repeater] Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Charles Cohen wrote:
I'm looking for a small, not too expensive, decent quality, stereo direct box for my Repeater
Any one with experience with any of these products?  Other ideas in this price range?
Hi Charles,

May I recommend a small mixer instead.  Within or very near your price range, some of the small Behringer mixers have balanced outputs and so will be as good as a direct box.  But they will also allow you to integrate your Buchla and a few other goodies (if you so desire) into a compact and flexible performance system.  And there are other companies besides Behringer who make small mixers that might fill the bill.

Cheers,

Bill

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 13 12:45:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0DHYwn25149; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:34:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:34:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.144.36.162] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mattdavignon@hotmail.com From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: SF 1/15: looped cello & turntable inventions Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:34:51 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jan 2004 17:34:51.0834 (UTC) FILETIME=[8CC671A0:01C3D9FB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey everyone, this Thursday in downtown San Francisco there will be a collaboration between Alexander Kort (electric cellist) and Kitundu (turntable instrument inventor). Highly recommended! Thursday, Jan 15 2004 8:00 PM Luggage Store Gallery 1007 Market Street (at 6th) San Francisco $6-10 8pm: Ara Andersen, trumpet & Dave Mihaly, drums/percussion 9pm: Alexander Kort, cello & Kitundu, unique phonograph instruments Ara Anderson has been performing and composing in San Francisco since 1995 and has worked with folk singer Victoria Williams, songwriter J.C. Hopkins, Sean Hayes, Jolie Holland, the avant-groove craftsmen known as Transmission Trio, Chicago rock band Okgo, David Mihaly's art band Shimmering Leaves, and the New Orleans-style Brass Monkey Brass Band. His composition credits include scores for three Killing My Lobster sketch comedy shows (2001-2002) and an off-kilter musical tapestry for the New Pickle Circus' winter 2002 show "Circumstance." In the summer of 2002 he received a Meet The Composer Grant to perform a solo piece at San Francisco's Meridian Gallery. Currently he leads two bands: Iron & the Albatross and Boostamonte. He can be heard on the latest two Tom Waits recordings "Blood Money" and "Alice." Dave Mihaly After studying drums with Andrew Cyril in New Jersey, this tall mantis-like creative master has been heard with countless groups and artists such as, Bando, Victoria Williams, and Eartha Kitt. He is however known in the Bay Area for his work with the Kalideophone Big Band, and After the End of the World Cortet. Alexander Kort relocated to the bay area in 1996 plays cello, electric cello, and double bass, performing regularly in both experimental and more traditional idioms. He holds a MA in humanities from SUNY Buffalo, where he performed with Tony Conrad, made installations and created "Mindstream", an orchestral arrangement of a song by Meat Beat Manifesto which accompanied his directly animated film. Significant Bay Area credits include performing Phantom of the Opera in 1998, the Thief of Bagdad in 1999 and the Red Balloon this past August at the Fine Arts Cinema with the group "Prints" comprised of Dax Pierson and Marty Dowers. www.alexanderkort.com Kitundu is a composer, visual artist, DJ and instrument builder. Constructing elemental turntables that rely on wood, water, fire and earthquakes for their power and pitch, Kitundu uses an inter-disciplinary approach to develop compositions/installations/instruments that blur the boundaries between media. He has created a family of Phonoharps - beautifully crafted multi-stringed instruments made from phonographs. Kitundu strives to reconnect the technology of new music to fundamental principles drawn from the natural world. In addition, he composes for dance, theatre and film, teaches workshops, and continues to explore his capacities as a visual and sonic artist. Kitundu was raised in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. www.kitundu.com Every Thursday, Outsound and Detritus.net present unusual, experimental and improvised music at the Luggage Store Gallery in San Francisco. Located downtown, it's the longest running series of its kind in the Bay Area. Indoor bicycle parking is available, and we don't mind if you bring in outside food and non-alcoholic drink. (Taqueria Cancun is next door!) Nobody will be turned away for lack of funds. _________________________________________________________________ Check out the new MSN 9 Dial-up — fast & reliable Internet access with prime features! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=dialup/home&ST=1 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 13 13:29:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0DIM4d00362; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:22:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:22:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.193.127.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Original-From: "Weg" Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:19:34 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mackie mixer X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Weg Message-Id: <20040113.102008.490.858692@webmail25.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:1:4285553893 Resent-Message-ID: <0OJhRD.A.jF.MdDBAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey thanks to everyone who pointed out it is online. I am at work and our firewall has it blocked but I was wondering??? I have no trouble using my 1202 VLZ I got on ebay so I never went looking for the manual. I do have the old 1604 manual and I still have the mixer too along with 3 other mixers.... Sometimes my mind wanders.... If only I could summon it back.... Weg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 13 13:29:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0DIMpU00504; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:22:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:22:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <129.392ba9f9.2d35916f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:22:39 EST Subject: Hi Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hope you got the 6-Fing Thing cd. Take care, Sidlo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 13 15:35:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0DKOCk20566; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:24:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:24:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <57.26acfee2.2d35ade5@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:24:05 EST Subject: Re: Hi Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i0DKOCk20544 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com James, In a message dated 1/13/04 10:23:45 AM, Jhsidlo@aol.com writes: >Hope you got the 6-Fing Thing cd Though it looks like you were writing to someone named "Travis" I figgered it wuz as gooda time as any to say that I go the Cd too and loved the snot outta it. Thanks! tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 13 16:01:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0DKrss26718; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:53:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:53:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040113205348.68888.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:53:48 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: favorite looping technique To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00cb01c3d9ed$07490b90$0601a8c0@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes i also thank Rick and Bill for turning me on to this simple but powerful feature on my mackie mixer which i couldn´t make use of at the begining now i couldn´t live without it! cheers Louie > folk told me about "alt 3-4", re-reading about it i > now got's the big > picture and can see where many things can be done > with it.....oh happy > day.....a mini aha experience.....thanks to MR RICK ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 13 16:41:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0DLXLQ02260; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:33:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:33:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1d5.184e0baa.2d35be1e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:33:18 EST Subject: Check out GigRac 300 and GigRac 600 Portable Powered Mixers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1d5.184e0baa.2d35be1e_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: <_HNhSC.A.Nj.hQGBAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1d5.184e0baa.2d35be1e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit since there was some mixer talk going on.....saw this today on HC.....i know nothing about it but i luv the way it looks.....Click here: GigRac 300 and GigRac 600 Portable Powered Mixers --part1_1d5.184e0baa.2d35be1e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable since&n= bsp; there was some mixer talk going on.....saw this today on HC.....i know=20= nothing about it but i luv the way it looks.....Click here: GigRac= 300 and GigRac 600 Portable Powered Mixers --part1_1d5.184e0baa.2d35be1e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 13 18:17:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0DNDtw17856; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:13:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:13:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <001401c3da2a$5580eca0$a861fe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: Subject: Repeater Power Supply Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 22:26:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006C_01C3DA24.3AB93540" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C3DA24.3AB93540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, having read the recent babble around the Repeater pwr supply... it looks = very much like the power supplies used for those flat TFT computer = monitors. Are they interchangeable? If so, one wouldn=B4t have to worry = about Repeater power supplies dying. Stephen. "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re a = plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C3DA24.3AB93540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
 
having read the recent babble around = the Repeater=20 pwr supply... it looks very much like the power supplies used for those=20 flat TFT computer monitors. Are they interchangeable? If so, one = wouldn=B4t=20 have to worry about Repeater power supplies dying.
 
Stephen.
 
 
 
"Human beings are a disease, the cancer = of this=20 planet, you=B4re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith /=20 Matrix)
 
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------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C3DA24.3AB93540-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 13 18:53:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0DNmZg21880; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:48:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:48:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: obscure1@pop3.paradise.net.nz Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00cb01c3d9ed$07490b90$0601a8c0@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <200401131405.i0DE5wT25929@hemlock.violacea.com> <00cb01c3d9ed$07490b90$0601a8c0@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:48:30 +1300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Simon K Subject: Re: favorite looping technique Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just spinning off a thought . . in regards to favorite looping technique .. not sure if it has been talked about .. but using two turntables and doubles of the same record .. it's a hip hop thing mainly ' the beat juggle .. where you run the same bar from two copies of a record over and over .. then apply what skills you can muster to juggle the bar back and forth .. I have been doing this with house style music for the past few years .. . often running out the breakdown of song for as long as I can .. back and forth .. back and forth .. my looping tools are limited .. I have a little Boss dr sample . which creates raw and ready samples .. been using it allot on my radio show to create impromptu 'stings . then use the mark feature to cut the loop up then release .. am constantly amazed at the reactions from the audience to such simple elements .. . creating stasis or reoccurring themes ' .. learning to break it down to basics, keep it simple .. and apply accordingly .. . like a touch of basil in a tomato sandwich .. .turnstyle From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 13 20:51:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0E1lL504909; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 20:47:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 20:47:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) To: Loopers Delight Message-Id: <93DD9E6A-4633-11D8-ABE2-000393D7CC50@mac.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--899129566 From: John Metzler Subject: Please cure my ignorance. MIDI & EDP Questions!!! Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 20:47:14 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Resent-Message-ID: <6Qn2M.A.iMB.p-JBAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1--899129566 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi every one. I am a longtime enthusiast of this site and have been on and off for the past few years. I am finally in a band where I can actually start doing more than just musical masturbation with my Echoplex. But I have a handful of questions for your seasoned pros. Please feel very free to email me privately at jarofjam@mac.com, but please be nice, too much technical jargon bums me out. First let me start with a list of the type of gear I have and might use with looping, what I want to be able to do, and what I think I might need to achieve some of this. What I have (Gear that could be useful to this discussion) -EDP (cream colored) running Loop IV w/EFC-7 -Mackie 1402vlz -Ernie Ball stereo volume pedal (used for EDP Feedback control because of it's 25k ohm pot) -Ernie Ball mono volume pedal (the 250k ohm pot) -RFX MidiBuddy MP128P midi foot pedal (Initially added this so I could instantly jump from loop 1 to loop 7 if need be, but never got it to work) -Alesis QS 7.1 keyboard -Roland MPU64 4X4 usb MIDI interface -MOTU 2X2 Fastlane usb MIDI interface -Flatpanal iMac G4 800Mhz w/ 768 MB of SDRAM -iBook G4 800Mhz w640 MB -Pro Tools 6.2.2 running in Mac OS X 10.3.2 -Boss SE-50 stereo effects processor -A Bass, an Acoustic Guitar w/pick up, and an Electric Guitar. I will be playing bass in the band but I also have lofty solo looping aspirations that I have not yet realized. The drummer in the band,Jim, plays the Roland V-Club kit. I want to be able to have the EDP synced to his drumming and have my button pushes quantized to the tempo. Then I would also like a way to have a pre-programmed midi track send control messeges to the EDP to do all my button pushes for me to help build sound scapes that would otherwise be too hard using just the EFC-7. (Gosh, I hope I explain this stuff well enough to merit some good help and advice) I have had a little bit of luck using Pro Tools as a sequencer. I have been able to have a sequence in pro tools play back some music through my Alesis QS 7.1 and record a MIDI track EDP Button pushes to control the EDP upon playback. Here are a couple of questions I hope to get some useful answers for. 1. Does any one know if there is a way to start up Pro Tools LE 6.2.2 without any Digidesign Hardware hooked up to the computer. I wanted to record some EDP button pushes (EFC-7 moves) on a MIDI track in Pro Tools on my lap top. But it won't open without the Mbox plugged into it. 2. Does anybody know of any free MIDI sequencing software for OSX 10.3.2 that would allow me to do this. 3. I want to be able to access any loop from any other loop in the EDP with the push of only 1 button. This is Why I got the RFX MIDIbuddy foot controller. It has individual buttons numbered 0-9 and a 10up and 10down button. I thought I could plug this in and set it up so that pushing button 3 would jump me straight to 3 and 7 to 7 and so on. I have been unable to do this. Am I doing something wrong or will this foot controller simply not work for this function. HOW CAN I DO THIS??? 4. Please stick with me! Let me explain and then you guys (and Gals) let me know hear what you know and think. I don't know how much I trust software based sequencing programs to use my laptop at a live gig. Computers crash more often then dedicated hardware does. I need a rock solid sequencer that I can use as a drum machine (so I won't have to lug my keyboard just for drum sounds) and an EDP trigger , and sync to Jim's V-Drums, that I can record incoming button pushes on one channel while playing programmed drum sequenced on another channel. WILL THE AKAI MPC 1000 BE A GOOD CHOICE FOR THIS???? Why and why not? 5. One last question for now. (by the way, THANK YOU in advance, to all of you who will doubtlessly give me invaluable advice) If I got myself a second EDP would I be able to have both run in sync and use one in delay mode and the other in Loop mode? And would the delay be in sync with one cycle of the loop? Please Advise. I am really excited about all this. I have been thinking about all this for over a year and I am almost in the place to actually start doing it. This means a lot to me, PLEASE HELP ME OUT. I need to understand, to stand under the light, to be enlightened. ---John M. I know about pain and suffering and being cold, but I just wanna .......... ROCK!!!!!!!! --Apple-Mail-1--899129566 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hi every one. I am a longtime enthusiast of this site and have been on and off for the past few years. I am finally in a band where I can actually start doing more than just musical masturbation with my Echoplex. But I have a handful of questions for your seasoned pros. Please feel very free to email me privately at jarofjam@mac.com, but please be nice, too much technical jargon bums me out. First let me start with a list of the type of gear I have and might use with looping, what I want to be able to do, and what I think I might need to achieve some of this. 496A,174B,5CABWhat I have (Gear that could be useful to this discussion) -EDP (cream colored) running Loop IV w/EFC-7 -Mackie 1402vlz -Ernie Ball stereo volume pedal (used for EDP Feedback control because of it's 25k ohm pot) -Ernie Ball mono volume pedal (the 250k ohm pot) -RFX MidiBuddy MP128P midi foot pedal (Initially added this so I could instantly jump from loop 1 to loop 7 if need be, but never got it to work) -Alesis QS 7.1 keyboard -Roland MPU64 4X4 usb MIDI interface -MOTU 2X2 Fastlane usb MIDI interface -Flatpanal iMac G4 800Mhz w/ 768 MB of SDRAM -iBook G4 800Mhz w640 MB -Pro Tools 6.2.2 running in Mac OS X 10.3.2 -Boss SE-50 stereo effects processor -A Bass, an Acoustic Guitar w/pick up, and an Electric Guitar. I will be playing bass in the band but I also have lofty solo looping aspirations that I have not yet realized. The drummer in the band,Jim, plays the Roland V-Club kit. I want to be able to have the EDP synced to his drumming and have my button pushes quantized to the tempo. Then I would also like a way to have a pre-programmed midi track send control messeges to the EDP to do all my button pushes for me to help build sound scapes that would otherwise be too hard using just the EFC-7. (Gosh, I hope I explain this stuff well enough to merit some good help and advice) I have had a little bit of luck using Pro Tools as a sequencer. I have been able to have a sequence in pro tools play back some music through my Alesis QS 7.1 and record a MIDI track EDP Button pushes to control the EDP upon playback. Here are a couple of questions I hope to get some useful answers for. 1. Does any one know if there is a way to start up Pro Tools LE 6.2.2 without any Digidesign Hardware hooked up to the computer. I wanted to record some EDP button pushes (EFC-7 moves) on a MIDI track in Pro Tools on my lap top. But it won't open without the Mbox plugged into it. 2. Does anybody know of any free MIDI sequencing software for OSX 10.3.2 that would allow me to do this. 3. I want to be able to access any loop from any other loop in the EDP with the push of only 1 button. This is Why I got the RFX MIDIbuddy foot controller. It has individual buttons numbered 0-9 and a 10up and 10down button. I thought I could plug this in and set it up so that pushing button 3 would jump me straight to 3 and 7 to 7 and so on. I have been unable to do this. Am I doing something wrong or will this foot controller simply not work for this function. HOW CAN I DO THIS??? 4. Please stick with me! Let me explain and then you guys (and Gals) let me know hear what you know and think. I don't know how much I trust software based sequencing programs to use my laptop at a live gig. Computers crash more often then dedicated hardware does. I need a rock solid sequencer that I can use as a drum machine (so I won't have to lug my keyboard just for drum sounds) and an EDP trigger , and sync to Jim's V-Drums, that I can record incoming button pushes on one channel while playing programmed drum sequenced on another channel. WILL THE AKAI MPC 1000 BE A GOOD CHOICE FOR THIS???? Why and why not? 5. One last question for now. (by the way, THANK YOU in advance, to all of you who will doubtlessly give me invaluable advice) If I got myself a second EDP would I be able to have both run in sync and use one in delay mode and the other in Loop mode? And would the delay be in sync with one cycle of the loop? Please Advise. I am really excited about all this. I have been thinking about all this for over a year and I am almost in the place to actually start doing it. This means a lot to me, PLEASE HELP ME OUT. I need to understand, to stand under the light, to be enlightened. ---John M. I know about pain and suffering and being cold, but I just wanna .......... ROCK!!!!!!!! --Apple-Mail-1--899129566-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 13 21:03:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0E1vKj05962; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 20:57:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 20:57:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 21:01:27 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gig spam [Carrboro NC] Subscape Annex 24 Jan and 13 Feb Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <76RZuD.A.BdB.AIKBAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Subscape Annex will be performing ambient/industrial looping soundscapes on 24 January as part of the Prog:Space festival, and on 13 February at Alan Botifoll's extraterrestrial art exhibit, both shows at De La Luz Performance Space/Templeball Gallery in Carrboro NC. More info at http://www.subscapeannex.com/shows.html and http://www.templeball.com/TBpresents/index.html If you're in the area and show up, say hi - I'll be the fellow behind a theremin with a Chapman Stick. thanks for your time, Steve Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 13 22:32:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0E3TE419341; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 22:29:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 22:29:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009201c3da5f$95c0e1a0$0200a8c0@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <93DD9E6A-4633-11D8-ABE2-000393D7CC50@mac.com> Subject: OT: Multiple WinXP installs on one box Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 22:30:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008F_01C3DA24.E9003A90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008F_01C3DA24.E9003A90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm thinking of splitting my system into three OSes. =20 1. An install of WinXP for internet crap, games, email, etc. etc. 2. An install of WinXP optimized for audio, with nothing but audio apps = installed. =20 3. An install of Linux for backing up SCSI drives from my sampler, = experimenting, running an FTP server when I need one. =20 Can you have multiple WinXP OSes on the same machine? I know older = Windows OSes usually didn't like that. =20 Could I so something like this using different users? I don't think it = would be quite the same though, because all the bullshit program entries = would still be in the registry mucking things up... ------=_NextPart_000_008F_01C3DA24.E9003A90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm thinking of splitting my system = into three=20 OSes. 
 
1.  An install of WinXP for = internet crap,=20 games, email, etc. etc.
 
2.  An install of WinXP optimized = for audio,=20 with nothing but audio apps installed. 
 
3.  An install of Linux for = backing up SCSI=20 drives from my sampler, experimenting, running an FTP server when I need = one. 
 
Can you have multiple WinXP OSes on the = same=20 machine?  I know older Windows OSes usually didn't like = that. =20
 
Could I so something like this using = different=20 users?  I don't think it would be quite the same though, because = all the=20 bullshit program entries would still be in the registry mucking things=20 up... 
------=_NextPart_000_008F_01C3DA24.E9003A90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 14 02:22:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0E7HPV16642; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 02:17:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 02:17:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "looper @ jump/cut" To: Subject: RE: Multiple WinXP installs on one box Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 23:18:32 -0800 Organization: http://www.jumpcut.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C3DA2B.915D0FF0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcPaUI+4b+ixXdNGT6mSR8jtJm06ewAHNGog X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <009201c3da5f$95c0e1a0$0200a8c0@amd> Message-Id: <200401140130312.SM02612@kinesys1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C3DA2B.915D0FF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Although this seems off-topic, I'll answer here. What I would recommend is using Virtual PC so you can boot full OS images on top of your "base" OS: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/virtualpc/evaluation/overview2004.asp You can have a complete separate installation of an OS on top of Windows XP if you like. We use this at work all the time. I run Windows 2003 Server, Windows 2000 Server, and even Windows NT 4.0 on top of Windows XP. We also run a full data center of 20+ server environments on top of Virtual PC so we can swap them out for different hardware for testing. Just have a lot of RAM installed on your host system so you can dedicate a good chuck of your memory to the Virtual PC image that is running. My laptop has 1GB of RAM and I dedicate 512 MB to a Virtual Hard Disk hard disk image when I boot to them. _____ From: Jesse Ray Lucas [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 9:31 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Multiple WinXP installs on one box I'm thinking of splitting my system into three OSes. 1. An install of WinXP for internet crap, games, email, etc. etc. 2. An install of WinXP optimized for audio, with nothing but audio apps installed. 3. An install of Linux for backing up SCSI drives from my sampler, experimenting, running an FTP server when I need one. Can you have multiple WinXP OSes on the same machine? I know older Windows OSes usually didn't like that. Could I so something like this using different users? I don't think it would be quite the same though, because all the bullshit program entries would still be in the registry mucking things up... ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C3DA2B.915D0FF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Although this seems off-topic, I'll answer = here.
 
What I would recommend is using Virtual PC so = you can boot=20 full OS images on top of your "base" OS:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/virtualpc/evaluation/overview= 2004.asp=
 
You can have a complete separate installation = of an OS on=20 top of Windows XP if you like. We use this at work all the time. I run = Windows=20 2003 Server, Windows 2000 Server, and even Windows NT 4.0 on = top of=20 Windows XP. We also run a full data center of 20+ server environments on = top of=20 Virtual PC so we can swap them out for different hardware for=20 testing.
 
Just have a lot of RAM installed on your host = system so you=20 can dedicate a good chuck of your memory to the Virtual PC image that is = running. My laptop has 1GB of RAM and I dedicate 512 MB to a Virtual = Hard Disk=20 hard disk image when I boot to them.


From: Jesse Ray Lucas=20 [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net]
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, = 2004 9:31=20 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: = OT:=20 Multiple WinXP installs on one box

I'm thinking of splitting my system = into three=20 OSes. 
 
1.  An install of WinXP for = internet crap,=20 games, email, etc. etc.
 
2.  An install of WinXP optimized = for audio,=20 with nothing but audio apps installed. 
 
3.  An install of Linux for = backing up SCSI=20 drives from my sampler, experimenting, running an FTP server when I need = one. 
 
Can you have multiple WinXP OSes on the = same=20 machine?  I know older Windows OSes usually didn't like = that. =20
 
Could I so something like this using = different=20 users?  I don't think it would be quite the same though, because = all the=20 bullshit program entries would still be in the registry mucking things=20 up... 
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C3DA2B.915D0FF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 14 03:13:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0E89dH22466; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 03:09:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 03:09:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003201c3da75$c11455b0$0601a8c0@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: References: <200401140151.i0E1pvN05400@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: favorite looping technique Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 00:09:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael Klobuchar and Luis Angulo are so sweet to give me credit for turning them onto the Aux 3-4 send usage of the Mackie but the truth is I owe it all to my brother, who knows vastly more than I do about all things electronic and midi related. Now if you all want to know about making dangerous changes to your registry in Windows XP because you've fucked up and reassigned your drive letters, thus destorying 1,600 path statements................ I'm your man!!!!! Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 14 05:57:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0EAteR08446; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 05:55:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 05:55:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f101c3da8c$f1f41e10$0601a8c0@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: References: <200401140151.i0E1pvN05400@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: OT: speaking of gig racks Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 02:55:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com speaking of cool gig racks: I wanted to go on record and praise the Gator rack company. I've had incredible luck with them this past year. When I blew out some wheels after a couple of really gnarly extended cobblestone damaging sprints through both Stockholm and Paris, they rush mailed me replacement parts for both of my 6 space racks. When I just asked for replacement parts for my latches (and I punished the hell out of these cases in 6 months, slinging them onto trains, subways, ferries, taxies and airplanes for 2 months) they sent me brand new rack cases. They have answered every one of my numerous pestering e-mails immediately and have always been cheerful and responsive. The luggage styled built in wheels and the receeding handles are an innovation in rack cases that has been wanting to happen for a long time. I just can't say enough good things about them...........seriously consider one. Rick ps I don't have any affiliation with them..........this is totally heartfelt. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 14 07:03:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0EC05618331; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 07:00:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 07:00:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:59:59 +0100 Subject: Re: OT: Multiple WinXP installs on one box From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009201c3da5f$95c0e1a0$0200a8c0@amd> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-01-14 06.30, "Jesse Ray Lucas" wrote: > I'm thinking of splitting my system into three OSes. > > 1. An install of WinXP for internet crap, games, email, etc. etc. > > 2. An install of WinXP optimized for audio, with nothing but audio apps > installed. > > 3. An install of Linux for backing up SCSI drives from my sampler, > experimenting, running an FTP server when I need one. > > Can you have multiple WinXP OSes on the same machine? I know older Windows > OSes usually didn't like that. Yes. You can do anything. Just be sure to partition the drive and make the bootable partitions invisible to each other. Use the software Partition Magic which comes bundled with Boot Magic. When you boot your pc Boot Magic will let you pick which partition you want to boot from and the system installed in that partition will not see the other partitions with other systems installed. It might be a good idea to keep at least one partition (or a second hard drive, drive D) that can be reached from within any of the bootable partitions. Just so you can move stuff between your different operating systems. On PC I have been using the above set-up for years. Keeping one partition for office work and internet, a second for pro audio recording (paying clients), a third that is an exact replica of the second (to be able to reboot and keep the workflow up instead of trouble shooting Windows), a fourth that also is a copy of the second but used for beta testing software. For a while I also ran Win98 and WinXP on the same machine, but installed into hidden bootable partitions. This was to be able to test Logic betas and compare performance under different systems. > Could I so something like this using different users? I don't think it would > be quite the same though, because all the bullshit program entries would still > be in the registry mucking things up... Yes you are right and no it's not the way to go. I'm definitely recommending Partition Magic and closed, hidden bootable partitions for different OS installations. It's very easy to set up. You just need to have a lot of disc space. There might be some more to discuss about Win XP online authorizing in this context, but I'll leave that out for now ;-) -- Best wishes Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 14 14:50:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0EJicA19789; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:44:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:44:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040114194432.25606.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:44:32 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: Repeater Power Supply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200401140151.i0E1pvC05397@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stephen, How about if *you* plug *your* Repeater into one of those power supplies and let us know whether it works, does nothing, or fries the bejeesus out of your unit. :) Otherwise, the power supplies can be obtained from Condor Electronics in Seattle. 206 633 5190. Condor is a qualified Electrix Repair Facility and these guys know the Repeater inside and out. They are modifying beefier power supplies to match the Repeater's specs. Apparently some of the noise issues are done away with in the process. For more info, join the Repeater Users on yahoo groups and check the archives. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/repeater-users Stephen (the other one) <<>> __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 15 00:05:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0F50Sa09271; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 00:00:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 00:00:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:00:19 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: once more: sync fun w/two repeaters + fcb1010 From: Zoe Keating To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <-xOv8C.A.wQC.s5hBAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh tale of woe, my beloved repeater suffers from accelerated decrepitude: the tempo knob is busted, power supply has to be taped into place 'cause it crackles...I fear the end is near... But that's not my subject today. This question is a variation on one I have asked in the past. I've got 2 repeaters. Using one midi pedal, I want to get repeater 02 to receive midi sync from repeater 01. I have the FCB1010 controlling both repeaters on different channels. FCB1010 -> repeater 01 midi in repeater 01 thru -> repeater 02 midi in problem: repeater 02 does not receive midi clock from repeater 01. I used to work around this by recording a blank loop on repeater 02 and then would twiddle the tempo knob to match the tempo of the loop in repeater 01. But that was a brain-dead solution and.. well...clearly I've been twiddling that knob too much!! Am I daft? Does anyone know another way to achieve this? Thanks very, very much. Zoe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 15 00:54:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0F5nAt13773; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 00:49:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 00:49:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040114214248.01d04d70@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:48:45 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, repeater-users@yahoogroups.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: once more: sync fun w/two repeaters + fcb1010 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One possible solution might be to use two products from MIDI Solutions that will split and merge the MIDI signal: FCB out -> splitter in splitter out 1 -> rptr1 in splitter out 2 -> merger in 1 rptr1 out (not thru) -> merger in 2 merger out -> rptr2 in http://www.midisolutions.com/prodmrg.htm http://www.midisolutions.com/prodthr.htm sean At 09:00 PM 04/01/14, Zoe Keating wrote: >Oh tale of woe, my beloved repeater suffers from accelerated decrepitude: >the tempo knob is busted, power supply has to be taped into place 'cause >it crackles...I fear the end is near... > >But that's not my subject today. This question is a variation on one I >have asked in the past. > >I've got 2 repeaters. Using one midi pedal, I want to get repeater 02 to >receive midi sync from repeater 01. >I have the FCB1010 controlling both repeaters on different channels. > >FCB1010 -> repeater 01 midi in >repeater 01 thru -> repeater 02 midi in > >problem: repeater 02 does not receive midi clock from repeater 01. > >I used to work around this by recording a blank loop on repeater 02 and >then would twiddle the tempo knob to match the tempo of the loop in >repeater 01. But that was a brain-dead solution and.. well...clearly I've >been twiddling that knob too much!! > >Am I daft? Does anyone know another way to achieve this? > >Thanks very, very much. Zoe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 15 10:58:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0FFo5s28693; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:50:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:50:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Zragman@aol.com Message-ID: <87.32a7f00.2d38109f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:49:51 EST Subject: Re: once more: sync fun w/two repeaters + fcb1010 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 46 Resent-Message-ID: <9r1yv.A.PAH.tarBAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Buy a boomerang and you will have more looptime(2/x 4 minutes) than you could need . . . Or buy a out of production lexicon jamMan with 32sec. +upgrade . . . By the way what are you using as your 2 repeaters?? Rickman From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 15 11:21:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0FGDNp01138; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 11:13:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 11:13:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c3db82$56da62d0$0100a8c0@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <87.32a7f00.2d38109f@aol.com> Subject: Re: once more: sync fun w/two repeaters + fcb1010 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:12:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.zoekeating.com/ ............ whatever blalbla Claude > Buy a boomerang and you will have more looptime(2/x 4 minutes) than you could > need . . . > Or buy a out of production lexicon jamMan with 32sec. +upgrade . . . > By the way what are you using as your 2 repeaters?? > Rickman > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 15 11:55:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0FGgXE04990; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 11:42:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 11:42:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Zragman@aol.com Message-ID: <6a.3a6a4c2d.2d381cdb@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 11:42:03 EST Subject: Re: once more: sync fun w/two repeaters + fcb1010 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 46 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com are you a looper??? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 15 13:22:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0FI6JY20113; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:06:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:06:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:06:18 -0800 Subject: Re: once more: sync fun w/two repeaters + fcb1010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Zoe Keating To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <6a.3a6a4c2d.2d381cdb@aol.com> Message-Id: <842692C5-4785-11D8-9B71-000393BAA0F6@zoekeating.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i think so! but i forget where all those 'what is looping?' discussions ended up... On Thursday, January 15, 2004, at 08:42 AM, Zragman@aol.com wrote: > are you a looper??? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 15 13:32:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0FIP8S23044; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:25:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:25:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <000201c3db94$51a338c0$b962fe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: References: <20040114194432.25606.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Repeater Power Supply Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 07:46:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <_l1VyC.A.6nF.DstBAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What I meant was: Isn´t that the same type technically, a basis to work from in case the original power supply waves goodbye to you? I wasn´t going to plug them into my Repeater, nor was I recommending that to anyone else on this list... how foolish do you think am I? Stephen ----- Original Message ----- From: "S V G" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 8:44 PM Subject: Re: Repeater Power Supply > > Stephen, > > How about if *you* plug *your* Repeater into one of those power supplies and let us know > whether it works, does nothing, or fries the bejeesus out of your unit. :) > > Otherwise, the power supplies can be obtained from Condor Electronics in Seattle. 206 633 > 5190. Condor is a qualified Electrix Repair Facility and these guys know the Repeater inside and > out. They are modifying beefier power supplies to match the Repeater's specs. Apparently some of > the noise issues are done away with in the process. For more info, join the Repeater Users on > yahoo groups and check the archives. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/repeater-users > > Stephen (the other one) > > << power supplies used for those flat TFT computer monitors. Are they interchangeable? If so, one > wouldn´t have to worry about Repeater power supplies dying.>>> > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 15 13:38:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0FIVmS23930; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:31:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:31:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: Subject: Re: once more: sync fun w/two repeaters + fcb1010 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:31:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2004 18:31:41.0900 (UTC) FILETIME=[D228B8C0:01C3DB95] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com maybe try this: (look at this on a fixed width font like courier) FCB101 -> midi thru box (1:2) -> repeater01 midi in | \-----> \ | Midi merge box (2:1) ---> repeater02 midi in repeater01 midi out -> / you'll need a midi thru box like: http://www.philrees.co.uk/thruq.htm http://www.midisolutions.com/prodthr.htm http://www.digitraxx.com/hwusbacthru1x4.html you'd need a basic 2x1 midi merge box like: http://www.philrees.co.uk/products/mergebox.htm http://www.midi-classics.com/h/h1025.htm http://www.forefront.freeserve.co.uk/ft8.htm http://www.midisolutions.com/prodmrg.htm Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 15 15:00:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0FJrnp05267; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 14:53:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 14:53:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20040115134224.055227d8@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:52:58 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: once more: sync fun w/two repeaters + fcb1010 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:31 PM 1/15/2004, Jon Wagner wrote: >you'd need a basic 2x1 midi merge box like: >... >http://www.midi-classics.com/h/h1025.htm I'd agree with the architecture listed in Jon's previous post. However, the particular MIDI merge box listed in the above URL is made by M-Audio and is available at a variety of places, not just midi-classics.com. You can usually find it floating around for at least $20-30 cheaper elsewhere (even at musicians fiend). Or you can troll Ebay for a deal: I just picked up the exact same model there for $20 in like-new condition. IMNSHO, almost $80 for a 2x2 merge box is just a bit much... -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 15 16:51:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0FLgKs24965; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 16:42:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 16:42:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 16:42:09 EST Subject: keller williams/howie day To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d6.1501eea.2d386331_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_d6.1501eea.2d386331_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit had a chance to see howie day on letterman (?) last nite, not a pedal in site and i didn't notice any loopage, he was with 3 other players, i thought he would be solo.....got home and found 2 cd.s in the mailbox of keller williams playing at carnegie mellon uni. here in pittsburgh, more loops than you can shake a whale at, YIKES, fun music.....thank you gene, please send me your e-mail address.....i like keller's playing reminds me a little of tuck andres in his percussivenesss.....indeed, fun music.....michael --part1_d6.1501eea.2d386331_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable had a c= hance to see howie day on letterman (?) last nite, not a pedal in site and i= didn't notice any loopage, he was with 3 other players, i thought he would=20= be solo.....got home and found 2 cd.s in the mailbox of keller williams play= ing at carnegie mellon uni. here in pittsburgh, more loops than you can shak= e a whale at, YIKES, fun music.....thank you gene, please send me your e-mai= l address.....i like keller's playing reminds me a little of tuck andres in=20= his percussivenesss.....indeed, fun music.....michael --part1_d6.1501eea.2d386331_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 15 18:27:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0FNH3I07374; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 18:17:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 18:17:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40071EBA.22AFC980@pixar.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 15:14:02 -0800 From: Alex Stahl Organization: Pixar Animation Studios X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: namm spam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4-etiC.A.HzB.v9xBAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A new non-overdubbing but supposedly beat-detecting hardware looper from Peavey. Looks kinda cute: http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM04/Content/Peavey/PR/Grabber.html -Alex S. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 16 01:29:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0G6Pmq11576; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 01:25:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 01:25:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4007835B.6060606@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:23:23 -0800 From: Scott Kungha Drengsen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Steve Lawson Masterclass - San Jose, Sat 24th Jan References: <012b01c3d4a3$6ced3ab0$e0154ed5@trucknutz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve, I havewn't heard back from you but,I would like to attend this... Scott Steve Lawson wrote: >Hi loopsters, > >I'm making my usual annual trip to NAMM, and afterwards up to the bay area. > >On Sat 24th Jan I'm giving a masterclass in San Jose. It's very limited >numbers, and will be a very involved hands on, 'proper' masterclass, as >opposed to a shop style clinic. It's nearly full already, but if any of you >are interested in coming, you can email me to confirm a place. > >The cost is $55.00, it's at the home of Bob Amstadt, who's on LD as well, >and I'll be covering a lot of bass and looping related stuff, but will also >no doubt get into some stuff about improv, composition, sound, technique, >and issues that will relate to just about any musician. > >Please email me ASAP on steve@steve-lawson.co.uk if you want to come. > >I'll also be doing a few gigs around the bay area - so far confirmed are > >Wed 28th Jan - Henflings, Ben Lomond >Thursday 29th - Constable Jacks, Newcastle >Friday 30th - Espresso Garden, San Jose > >there are a few more details on my website - www.stevelawson.net > >Each of these gigs are with Michael Manring and Trip Wamsley as well - >www.manthing.com >www.tripwamsley.com >and are therefor unmissable... :o) > >cheers! > >Steve >www.stevelawson.net > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 16 02:19:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0G7Hu819002; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 02:17:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 02:17:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 23:17:52 -0800 From: Bob Amstadt Reply-To: Bob Amstadt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Steve Lawson Masterclass - San Jose, Sat 24th Jan Message-ID: <233319055.1074208672@[192.168.1.100]> In-Reply-To: <4007835B.6060606@earthlink.net> References: <4007835B.6060606@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.2.1 (Win32) X-Habeas-SWE-1: winter into spring X-Habeas-SWE-2: brightly anticipated X-Habeas-SWE-3: like Habeas SWE (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). The sender of this X-Habeas-SWE-6: email in exchange for a license for this Habeas X-Habeas-SWE-7: warrant mark warrants that this is a Habeas Compliant X-Habeas-SWE-8: Message (HCM) and not spam. Please report use of this X-Habeas-SWE-9: mark in spam to . MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I already responded to Scott, but I wanted to let everyone else know that there still is room for more people. Also, if you try to email Steve, he is currently at NAMM and likely isn't reading his email at the moment. If you wish to reserve a spot at the masterclass, please email me and I will add you to the list. My intent is to email all of the attendees this weekend with directions. Thank you, Bob Amstadt bob@amstadt.com --On Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:23 PM -0800 Scott Kungha Drengsen wrote: > Steve, > I havewn't heard back from you but,I would like to attend this... > Scott > > Steve Lawson wrote: > >> Hi loopsters, >> >> I'm making my usual annual trip to NAMM, and afterwards up to the bay >> area. >> >> On Sat 24th Jan I'm giving a masterclass in San Jose. It's very limited >> numbers, and will be a very involved hands on, 'proper' masterclass, as >> opposed to a shop style clinic. It's nearly full already, but if any of >> you are interested in coming, you can email me to confirm a place. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 16 11:23:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0GGIgq29146; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 11:18:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 11:18:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: dobbs.ucs.umbc.edu: randy owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 11:18:39 -0500 (EST) From: Randy Philipp X-X-Sender: randy@dobbs.ucs.umbc.edu To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Echoplex Digital Pro Plus Shortage? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-AvMilter-Key: 1074270221:91644b3408dc1887daac3a06663defb2 X-Avmilter: Message Skipped, too small X-Processed-By: MilterMonkey Version 0.9 -- http://www.membrain.com/miltermonkey Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have had an Echolpex on order for over a month, and the delivery date keeps getting pushed back. Does anyone know what the problem is at Gibson? Are the Echoplex Digital Pro being discontinued? Randy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 16 12:10:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0GH6Np03913; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:06:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:06:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40081980.2030403@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:04:00 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #356 for January 15, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #356 January 15, 2004 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Ian Boddy, who has been on the European electronica scene since the '70s. The Featured CD at Midnight was "The Deep" on Something Else Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Computer Experiments Volume 1" by Synergy (Larry Fast) on Passport Records. Ian Boddy - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/focus04.html#jan PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Synergy Artificial Intelligence Computer Experiments Volume 1 Jan. 20, 1980 * (Passport) TouchXtone Florian and Fauna one (none) ['ramp] antistatik doombient.one (none) Remy Ended Traditions Connected (AKH) Steve Roach and track 3 Spirit Dome (Projekt) vidnaObmana 12:00 am Ian Boddy Standing at the Edge The Deep (Something Else) Ian Boddy Dark Descent The Deep (Something Else) Ian Boddy The Deep The Deep (Something Else) Ian Boddy In the Realm of Poseidon The Deep (Something Else) Ian Boddy Leviathan The Deep (Something Else) Ian Boddy Flow Current Flow The Deep (Something Else) Ian Boddy Sirens Call The Deep (Something Else) Ian Boddy Aquanaut The Deep (Something Else) Ian Boddy Re-emergence The Deep (Something Else) Ian Boddy Surface Flight The Deep (Something Else) Ian Boddy Sub-Aquiem The Deep (Something Else) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Ian Boddy. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Triptych" by Ian Boddy, Markus Reuter, and Nigel Mullaney on the DiN label. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Crystal Machine" by Tim Blake on EGG Records. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 16 12:29:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0GHPs206489; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:25:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:25:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <09053C6C-4849-11D8-8052-000A959F39C8@rosewoodblues.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ken Hawkins Subject: Re: Echoplex Digital Pro Plus Shortage? Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 09:25:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com not sure about that but if you contact http://www.riksmusic.com/ they have them.... ken; i do not endorse these people other tahn that is where i got mine and i am thinking of getting another. they are pretty good people. ken; On Jan 16, 2004, at 8:18 AM, Randy Philipp wrote: > I have had an Echolpex on order for over a month, and the delivery date > keeps getting pushed back. Does anyone know what the problem is at > Gibson? Are the Echoplex Digital Pro being discontinued? > > Randy > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 16 12:37:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0GHXr207607; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:33:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:33:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c3dc56$709de500$15a04c51@aoldsl.net> From: "Gareth Hardwick" To: References: <09053C6C-4849-11D8-8052-000A959F39C8@rosewoodblues.com> Subject: UK power supply for Boomerang? Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 17:27:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <6DXXWD.A.s2B.BCCCAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i've just taken delivery of a Boomerang + from the US - where can i find a Power Supply Unit in the UK that can kick out 9v @ 700ma? The only PSU i have is only rated at 300ma and because of this, my 'Rang will not function correctly (understandably!) Anyone? Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 16 13:01:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0GHvNQ11438; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:57:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:57:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: Echoplex Digital Pro Plus Shortage? Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 09:57:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <09053C6C-4849-11D8-8052-000A959F39C8@rosewoodblues.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Thread-Index: AcPcVeF+m7lIVU1XQ2aN1/3Cr0XtjAABELIg Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And Alto Music is usually pretty EDP friendly. -----Original Message----- From: Ken Hawkins [mailto:ken@rosewoodblues.com] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 9:26 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex Digital Pro Plus Shortage? not sure about that but if you contact http://www.riksmusic.com/ they have them.... ken; i do not endorse these people other tahn that is where i got mine and i am thinking of getting another. they are pretty good people. ken; On Jan 16, 2004, at 8:18 AM, Randy Philipp wrote: > I have had an Echolpex on order for over a month, and the delivery date > keeps getting pushed back. Does anyone know what the problem is at > Gibson? Are the Echoplex Digital Pro being discontinued? > > Randy > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 16 13:32:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0GIMmP15679; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:22:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:22:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:22:45 EST Subject: Re: New York/New Jersey Gigs: Andre LaFosse w/David Torn, John Mazzarella, Todd Reynolds and Peter Biedermann To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: <8IW4l.A.z0D.4vCCAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How can I buy tickets for this? Thanks, James Wednesday, Jan. 28th: New York City Makor (http://www.makor.org) - Opening for David Torn >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 16 14:13:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0GJAVv23073; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:10:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:10:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <400835D7.363BEA30@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 11:04:55 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New York/New Jersey Gigs: Andre LaFosse w/David Torn, John Mazzarella, Todd Reynolds and Peter Biedermann References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6R0yOD.A.aoF.ncDCAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi James, Jhsidlo@aol.com wrote: > > How can I buy tickets for this? > > Wednesday, Jan. 28th: New York City > Makor (http://www.makor.org) - Opening for David Torn >> Here's a link for ordering tickets: http://makeashorterlink.com/?Y51E22617 If you're goin to be in NYC for that, also look at other New York Guitar Festival shows: http://www.newyorkguitarfestival.org Thanks for the interest! --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 16 15:38:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0GKRCr01909; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 15:27:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 15:27:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:24:57 -0600 (CST) From: X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: UK power supply for Boomerang? In-Reply-To: <001101c3dc56$709de500$15a04c51@aoldsl.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use the European Power supply for the line 6 pedals with the rang in France with absolutely no problems. Andy On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, Gareth Hardwick wrote: > i've just taken delivery of a Boomerang + from the US - where can i find a > Power Supply Unit in the UK that can kick out 9v @ 700ma? > > The only PSU i have is only rated at 300ma and because of this, my 'Rang > will not function correctly (understandably!) > > Anyone? > > Gareth > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 16 15:47:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0GKf4X03615; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 15:41:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 15:41:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:40:58 -0800 Message-ID: <3FA1F7F30002C594@mta12.wss.scd.yahoo.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: [gig] Atomic Mobius Machine Live on the Internet, January 24th, 2004 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i0GKf4k03592 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fellow Loopers, Atomic Mobius Machine will once again be playing live for you on the internet! On Saturday, January 24th, we'll be playing from 8pm-12am/PST on AwesomeRadio.net. (We usually play until 2am, for a whopping 6 hours of musical meanderings.) Atomic Mobius Machine is best classified as Electronic Ambient Trance music (we've started calling it 'ambient loopadelic'), and features Dan Moore, Ross Artese, Craig Latta and myself, on various musical instruments, electronics, and computers. This is the first performance of 2004, so we hope to ring in the new year! :) Please tune into AwesomeRadio.net, at http://www.awesomeradio.net, Saturday, Januaury 24th, at 8pm for some really trippy music. Technically speaking, it's a shoutcast stream (ie. mp3 format) and can easily be listened to with WinAmp (www.winamp.com) or Windows MediaPlayer under Windows, iTunes will work for you on the Mac, and XMMS (http://www.xmms.org/) under Linux... AwesomeRadio serves 3 streams, with increasing quality/bandwidth requirements. Here are the addresses to use: broadband http://radio.awesomeradio.net:8000 24/22 mono http://radio.awesomeradio.net:8006 16/16 mono http://radio.awesomeradio.net:8004 Atomic Mobius Machine broadcasts a nice sounding stereo feed on the broadband stream, but, if your internet connection can't handle that, please use one of the other addresses. If you want to check out stuff from past performances, please visit: http://www.musetrap.com/atomicmobiusmachine/ AwesomeRadio also has an IRC chat room, for those so inclined. You can use a Java client (linked from the website), or an OS native client, such as mIRC for Windows. The IRC network is irc.awesomechat.net, and the channel is #awesomeradio. Of course, while we are playing we won't be chatting much, but there will be other listeners in there, so... I hope you can tune in for some of the show... :) peace -cpr p.s. We'd love to have fellow loopers come sit in with us on some of these broadcasts. Please email me if you are interested (we are in the San Jose area of California) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 17 09:19:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0HEFss03704; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 09:15:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 09:15:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.219.207.22] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: UK power supply for Boomerang? Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:15:47 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jan 2004 14:15:47.0974 (UTC) FILETIME=[67550A60:01C3DD04] Resent-Message-ID: <30NVg.A.t5.aOUCAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use a standard generic power supply that I bought from Maplin (electronics chain) there should beone near you!! they are available in 100ma jumps all the way from 300ma to 900ma, just get the right one for you. each comes with a set of different sized connectors for verious aplications, just remember to check the POLARITY!!!! Phill > > >On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, Gareth Hardwick wrote: > > > i've just taken delivery of a Boomerang + from the US - where can i find >a > > Power Supply Unit in the UK that can kick out 9v @ 700ma? > > > > The only PSU i have is only rated at 300ma and because of this, my 'Rang > > will not function correctly (understandably!) > > > > Anyone? > > > > Gareth > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 17 17:48:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0HMjQ618339; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 17:45:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 17:45:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005601c3dd4d$7e8b8940$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents quasiMODAL Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 17:58:59 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday January 20th - quasiMODAL cheryl o's floating improv ensemble quasiMODAL returns to the Ping with Matthew Poulakakis (Automatic Fats) on keys, bass & trinkets, Michael Keith (MCF) on guitar, loops & objects, Steven Sauve (karmafarm) on piano, synthesizer & loops and cheryl on cello, loops, treatments & blinking lights. An evening of instant compositions with a focus on space, time and texture. cheryl o - http://www.cellojuice.com Steven Sauve - http://www.karmafarm.ca Michael Keith - http://www.michaelkeith.com Matthew Poulakakis - http://cdbaby.com/cd/automaticfats Between Sets CD - "Texture Maps" by Steve Roach (Timeroom) "Texture Maps - The Lost Pieces Vol. 3" assembles previously unreleased deep ambient works recorded from 1987 through 2003. Roach's soundworlds drift and flow like subterranean rivers and the slow dancing of distant nebulae. http://www.steveroach.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday January 27th - Glenn Love http://www.glennlove.com Between Sets CD - "Life Sequence" by Steve Roach (Timeroom) http://www.steveroach.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Texture Maps" by Steve Roach The second of two new Timeroom Editions from Steve Roach, "Texture Maps" is a collection of previously unreleased ambient pieces taken from various points in Roach's career, work built around the ideas of oblique motion and the slow drift of shapes. Beginning with "Gray and Purple", Roach creates an environment of organic soundscapes, rising and falling, passing through states of consciousness and inspiring dreams. Wonderful. "Artifact Ghost" suggest subterranean travels, a haunted journey through inner space. "Spiral Triptych" brings together three separate compositions into one long form piece. Roach melts each part into the others creating an elegant, almost conceptual whole. I like this/these one/s alot. The disc closes with "Soul Light", a recent composition recorded shortly after his recent "Mystic Chords" box set. As a whole, "Texture Maps" is a fantastic journey through space suggesting the birth and death of stars, the dawn and dusk of life, and a thousand other secrets that have yet to be shared. A fantastic work of space music sure to appeal to all fans of the genre. Steve Roach is currently the Featured Artist at *ping things*. Visit http://www.pingthings.com/PTfeaturesNF.htm to read an exclusive interview with this master of the ambient genre. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 17 18:00:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0HMwTK21345; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 17:58:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 17:58:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) To: Loopers Delight Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--563660348 From: John Metzler Subject: Second Attempt at HELP!!! Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 17:58:23 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1--563660348 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Somebody? Is there no one here who can help me? I can only guess that my questions are either beneath you or beyond you. ------------------------ Hi every one. I am a longtime enthusiast of this site and have been on and off for the past few years. I am finally in a band where I can actually start doing more than just musical masturbation with my Echoplex. But I have a handful of questions for your seasoned pros. Please feel very free to email me privately at jarofjam@mac.com, but please be nice, too much technical jargon bums me out. First let me start with a list of the type of gear I have and might use with looping, what I want to be able to do, and what I think I might need to achieve some of this. What I have (Gear that could be useful to this discussion) -EDP (cream colored) running Loop IV w/EFC-7 -Mackie 1402vlz -Ernie Ball stereo volume pedal (used for EDP Feedback control because of it's 25k ohm pot) -Ernie Ball mono volume pedal (the 250k ohm pot) -RFX MidiBuddy MP128P midi foot pedal (Initially added this so I could instantly jump from loop 1 to loop 7 if need be, but never got it to work) -Alesis QS 7.1 keyboard -Roland MPU64 4X4 usb MIDI interface -MOTU 2X2 Fastlane usb MIDI interface -Flatpanal iMac G4 800Mhz w/ 768 MB of SDRAM -iBook G4 800Mhz w640 MB -Pro Tools 6.2.2 running in Mac OS X 10.3.2 -Boss SE-50 stereo effects processor -A Bass, an Acoustic Guitar w/pick up, and an Electric Guitar. I will be playing bass in the band but I also have lofty solo looping aspirations that I have not yet realized. The drummer in the band,Jim, plays the Roland V-Club kit. I want to be able to have the EDP synced to his drumming and have my button pushes quantized to the tempo. Then I would also like a way to have a pre-programmed midi track send control messeges to the EDP to do all my button pushes for me to help build sound scapes that would otherwise be too hard using just the EFC-7. (Gosh, I hope I explain this stuff well enough to merit some good help and advice) I have had a little bit of luck using Pro Tools as a sequencer. I have been able to have a sequence in pro tools play back some music through my Alesis QS 7.1 and record a MIDI track EDP Button pushes to control the EDP upon playback. Here are a couple of questions I hope to get some useful answers for. 1. Does any one know if there is a way to start up Pro Tools LE 6.2.2 without any Digidesign Hardware hooked up to the computer. I wanted to record some EDP button pushes (EFC-7 moves) on a MIDI track in Pro Tools on my lap top. But it won't open without the Mbox plugged into it. 2. Does anybody know of any free MIDI sequencing software for OSX 10.3.2 that would allow me to do this. 3. I want to be able to access any loop from any other loop in the EDP with the push of only 1 button. This is Why I got the RFX MIDIbuddy foot controller. It has individual buttons numbered 0-9 and a 10up and 10down button. I thought I could plug this in and set it up so that pushing button 3 would jump me straight to 3 and 7 to 7 and so on. I have been unable to do this. Am I doing something wrong or will this foot controller simply not work for this function. HOW CAN I DO THIS??? 4. Please stick with me! Let me explain and then you guys (and Gals) let me know hear what you know and think. I don't know how much I trust software based sequencing programs to use my laptop at a live gig. Computers crash more often then dedicated hardware does. I need a rock solid sequencer that I can use as a drum machine (so I won't have to lug my keyboard just for drum sounds) and an EDP trigger , and sync to Jim's V-Drums, that I can record incoming button pushes on one channel while playing programmed drum sequenced on another channel. WILL THE AKAI MPC 1000 BE A GOOD CHOICE FOR THIS???? Why and why not? 5. One last question for now. (by the way, THANK YOU in advance, to all of you who will doubtlessly give me invaluable advice) If I got myself a second EDP would I be able to have both run in sync and use one in delay mode and the other in Loop mode? And would the delay be in sync with one cycle of the loop? Please Advise. I am really excited about all this. I have been thinking about all this for over a year and I am almost in the place to actually start doing it. This means a lot to me, PLEASE HELP ME OUT. I need to understand, to stand under the light, to be enlightened. ---John M. I know about pain and suffering and being cold, but I just wanna .......... ROCK!!!!!!!! --Apple-Mail-1--563660348 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Somebody? Is there no one here who can help me? I can only guess that my questions are either beneath you or beyond you. ------------------------ Hi every one. I am a longtime enthusiast of this site and have been on and off for the past few years. I am finally in a band where I can actually start doing more than just musical masturbation with my Echoplex. But I have a handful of questions for your seasoned pros. Please feel very free to email me privately at jarofjam@mac.com, but please be nice, too much technical jargon bums me out. First let me start with a list of the type of gear I have and might use with looping, what I want to be able to do, and what I think I might need to achieve some of this. 4968,1749,5CA9What I have (Gear that could be useful to this discussion) -EDP (cream colored) running Loop IV w/EFC-7 -Mackie 1402vlz -Ernie Ball stereo volume pedal (used for EDP Feedback control because of it's 25k ohm pot) -Ernie Ball mono volume pedal (the 250k ohm pot) -RFX MidiBuddy MP128P midi foot pedal (Initially added this so I could instantly jump from loop 1 to loop 7 if need be, but never got it to work) -Alesis QS 7.1 keyboard -Roland MPU64 4X4 usb MIDI interface -MOTU 2X2 Fastlane usb MIDI interface -Flatpanal iMac G4 800Mhz w/ 768 MB of SDRAM -iBook G4 800Mhz w640 MB -Pro Tools 6.2.2 running in Mac OS X 10.3.2 -Boss SE-50 stereo effects processor -A Bass, an Acoustic Guitar w/pick up, and an Electric Guitar. I will be playing bass in the band but I also have lofty solo looping aspirations that I have not yet realized. The drummer in the band,Jim, plays the Roland V-Club kit. I want to be able to have the EDP synced to his drumming and have my button pushes quantized to the tempo. Then I would also like a way to have a pre-programmed midi track send control messeges to the EDP to do all my button pushes for me to help build sound scapes that would otherwise be too hard using just the EFC-7. (Gosh, I hope I explain this stuff well enough to merit some good help and advice) I have had a little bit of luck using Pro Tools as a sequencer. I have been able to have a sequence in pro tools play back some music through my Alesis QS 7.1 and record a MIDI track EDP Button pushes to control the EDP upon playback. Here are a couple of questions I hope to get some useful answers for. 1. Does any one know if there is a way to start up Pro Tools LE 6.2.2 without any Digidesign Hardware hooked up to the computer. I wanted to record some EDP button pushes (EFC-7 moves) on a MIDI track in Pro Tools on my lap top. But it won't open without the Mbox plugged into it. 2. Does anybody know of any free MIDI sequencing software for OSX 10.3.2 that would allow me to do this. 3. I want to be able to access any loop from any other loop in the EDP with the push of only 1 button. This is Why I got the RFX MIDIbuddy foot controller. It has individual buttons numbered 0-9 and a 10up and 10down button. I thought I could plug this in and set it up so that pushing button 3 would jump me straight to 3 and 7 to 7 and so on. I have been unable to do this. Am I doing something wrong or will this foot controller simply not work for this function. HOW CAN I DO THIS??? 4. Please stick with me! Let me explain and then you guys (and Gals) let me know hear what you know and think. I don't know how much I trust software based sequencing programs to use my laptop at a live gig. Computers crash more often then dedicated hardware does. I need a rock solid sequencer that I can use as a drum machine (so I won't have to lug my keyboard just for drum sounds) and an EDP trigger , and sync to Jim's V-Drums, that I can record incoming button pushes on one channel while playing programmed drum sequenced on another channel. WILL THE AKAI MPC 1000 BE A GOOD CHOICE FOR THIS???? Why and why not? 5. One last question for now. (by the way, THANK YOU in advance, to all of you who will doubtlessly give me invaluable advice) If I got myself a second EDP would I be able to have both run in sync and use one in delay mode and the other in Loop mode? And would the delay be in sync with one cycle of the loop? Please Advise. I am really excited about all this. I have been thinking about all this for over a year and I am almost in the place to actually start doing it. This means a lot to me, PLEASE HELP ME OUT. I need to understand, to stand under the light, to be enlightened. ---John M. I know about pain and suffering and being cold, but I just wanna .......... ROCK!!!!!!!! --Apple-Mail-1--563660348-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 17 18:21:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0HNKAt26765; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 18:20:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 18:20:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040117150907.01b50b70@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 15:14:51 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Second Attempt at HELP!!! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The MIDIbuddy only sends program changes - can't use it with the EDP for selecting loops. At 02:58 PM 04/01/17, John Metzler wrote: >3. I want to be able to access any loop from any other loop in the EDP >with the push of only 1 button. This is Why I got the RFX MIDIbuddy foot >controller. It has individual buttons numbered 0-9 and a 10up and 10down >button. I thought I could plug this in and set it up so that pushing >button 3 would jump me straight to 3 and 7 to 7 and so on. I have been >unable to do this. Am I doing something wrong or will this foot >controller simply not work for this function. HOW CAN I DO THIS??? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 17 21:22:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0I2LtB04694; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 21:21:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 21:21:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040117150907.01b50b70@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040117150907.01b50b70@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <1272FF91-495D-11D8-9F18-000A95B224C4@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Metzler Subject: Re: Second Attempt at HELP!!! Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 21:21:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you so much. I was afraid it was something I was over looking. Why doesn't it work? Isn't triggering a loop just sending the right MIDI message out to the EDP? It should work then shouldn't it? Thanks for helping. ---John M. On Jan 17, 2004, at 6:14 PM, Sean Echevarria wrote: > The MIDIbuddy only sends program changes - can't use it with the EDP > for selecting loops. > > At 02:58 PM 04/01/17, John Metzler wrote: >> 3. I want to be able to access any loop from any other loop in the >> EDP with the push of only 1 button. This is Why I got the RFX >> MIDIbuddy foot controller. It has individual buttons numbered 0-9 >> and a 10up and 10down button. I thought I could plug this in and set >> it up so that pushing button 3 would jump me straight to 3 and 7 to 7 >> and so on. I have been unable to do this. Am I doing something >> wrong or will this foot controller simply not work for this function. >> HOW CAN I DO THIS??? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 17 21:43:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0I2gsi08485; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 21:42:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 21:42:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040117183424.01b59660@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 18:42:46 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Second Attempt at HELP!!! In-Reply-To: <1272FF91-495D-11D8-9F18-000A95B224C4@mac.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040117150907.01b50b70@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20040117150907.01b50b70@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:21 PM 04/01/17, John Metzler wrote: >Thank you so much. I was afraid it was something I was over looking. >Why doesn't it work? Isn't triggering a loop just sending the right MIDI >message out to the EDP? Yes >It should work then shouldn't it? No. The MIDIbuddy can't send the right MIDI message. It only sends "program change" messages. To change loops you need to send "note" messages. sean From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 17 21:50:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0I2mis09710; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 21:48:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 21:48:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040118024838.62036.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 18:48:38 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: Repeater Power Supply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200401172248.i0HMmGQ18937@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <8eCSpD.A.jXC.MQfCAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stephen, Okay, my first paragraph, though a little sardonic, has a smiley face at the end which means "don't get your panties in a twist, this is just a lame attempt at humor". The second paragraph was chock full of useful information. If indeed you are looking to find a power supply for the Repeater, why not go straight to the main Electrix Authorized Repair Facility in the U.S. (Condor Electronics) and get one from them? They are doing exactly what you suggest, find a power supply that matches the basic requirements, modify it with a few extra parts so that it does what it needs to do for the Repeater safely, and sell it at cost as a service to the looping community. The owner of Condor Electronics is a Repeater user himself (and a good friend) and he really is selling these "at cost". And do check out the Repeater Users group on Yahoo groups. There is more good info there than you can shake a stick at. The guy from Condor pokes his head in from time to time with some very astute observations about the innards of the Repeater. Be well, Stephen Stephen offered: <<< What I meant was: Isn´t that the same type technically, a basis to work from < in case the original power supply waves goodbye to you? I wasn´t going to < plug them into my Repeater, nor was I recommending that to anyone else on < this list... how foolish do you think am I? < Stephen > Stephen, > > How about if *you* plug *your* Repeater into one of those power supplies and let us know > whether it works, does nothing, or fries the bejeesus out of your unit. :) > > Otherwise, the power supplies can be obtained from Condor Electronics in Seattle. 206 633 > 5190. Condor is a qualified Electrix Repair Facility and these guys know the Repeater inside and > out. They are modifying beefier power supplies to match the Repeater's specs. Apparently some of > the noise issues are done away with in the process. For more info, join the Repeater Users on > yahoo groups and check the archives. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/repeater-users > > Stephen (the other one) > > << power supplies used for those flat TFT computer monitors. Are they interchangeable? If so, one > wouldn´t have to worry about Repeater power supplies dying.>>> __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 18 02:31:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0I7NAR02046; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 02:23:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 02:23:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20040117232038.02ab67f8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 23:24:00 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: namm spam In-Reply-To: <40071EBA.22AFC980@pixar.com> References: <40071EBA.22AFC980@pixar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It looks suspiciously exactly the same as the Red Sound cycloops. (except the logo.) http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/cycloops/cycloops.html At 03:14 PM 1/15/2004, Alex Stahl wrote: >A new non-overdubbing but supposedly beat-detecting hardware looper from >Peavey. Looks kinda cute: > >http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM04/Content/Peavey/PR/Grabber.html > >-Alex S. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 18 02:47:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0I7iSK06156; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 02:44:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 02:44:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20040117233006.02ab6940@annihilist.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 23:45:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: looper lunch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, the NAMM Loosers Delight lunch was great today. There was Gary Lehman, Richard Zvonar, me, David Torn, Brian Eno, Phil Keaggy, Paul Dresher, Robert Fripp, Steve Reich, Pauline Oliveros, Grand Master Flash, Kellar Williams, Aphex Twin, Snoop Dogg, and playboy model Petra. What amazing conversations we had! I wish you all could have been there. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 18 07:44:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0ICdSp09082; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 07:39:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 07:39:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008c01c3ddc0$78548450$0207a8c0@Stephen> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040117233006.02ab6940@annihilist.com> Subject: Re: looper lunch Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:42:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...and the only thing you wanted was to go back to Kansas, right? > Wow, the NAMM Loosers Delight lunch was great today. There was Gary Lehman, > Richard Zvonar, me, David Torn, Brian Eno, Phil Keaggy, Paul Dresher, > Robert Fripp, Steve Reich, Pauline Oliveros, Grand Master Flash, Kellar > Williams, Aphex Twin, Snoop Dogg, and playboy model Petra. What amazing > conversations we had! I wish you all could have been there. > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 18 08:41:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0IDbbg21908; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 08:37:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 08:37:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c3ddc8$3f32d700$6600a8c0@tom> From: "Tom Rex" To: References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040117233006.02ab6940@annihilist.com> Subject: Re: looper lunch Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 06:37:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim, you did mean Loopers Delight lunch, with all those winners present... Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 12:45 AM Subject: looper lunch > Wow, the NAMM Loosers Delight lunch was great today. There was Gary Lehman, > Richard Zvonar, me, David Torn, Brian Eno, Phil Keaggy, Paul Dresher, > Robert Fripp, Steve Reich, Pauline Oliveros, Grand Master Flash, Kellar > Williams, Aphex Twin, Snoop Dogg, and playboy model Petra. What amazing > conversations we had! I wish you all could have been there. > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 18 08:58:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0IDuKD25775; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 08:56:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 08:56:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: looper lunch Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 05:56:06 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <000901c3ddc8$3f32d700$6600a8c0@tom> Thread-Index: AcPdyEeLnfAo7J5rQICiVjBs2FDUAgAAHkCg Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What the sardonic Mr. Flint means is that no lunch was had, only lost! Although many LD list members stopped by the meeting point (booth 1006) in the past three days, they all stood us up yesterday. RZ, he and I waited until 12:30, then we forgot about it--maybe today?!?!? Loopers are an independent lot . . . NAMM is quite a hoot--Leon Guenbaum is doing his thing http://www.samchillian.com right across the way from us . . . He and Harvey keep trading riffs. Dueling Banjobots! Gary -----Original Message----- From: Tom Rex [mailto:tomrex1@cox.net] Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 5:38 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looper lunch Kim, you did mean Loopers Delight lunch, with all those winners present... Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 12:45 AM Subject: looper lunch > Wow, the NAMM Loosers Delight lunch was great today. There was Gary Lehman, > Richard Zvonar, me, David Torn, Brian Eno, Phil Keaggy, Paul Dresher, > Robert Fripp, Steve Reich, Pauline Oliveros, Grand Master Flash, Kellar > Williams, Aphex Twin, Snoop Dogg, and playboy model Petra. What amazing > conversations we had! I wish you all could have been there. > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 18 12:18:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0IHFqV05655; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:15:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:15:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <66.3b766fcb.2d3c193d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:15:41 EST Subject: Re: looper lunch (apologies) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i0IHFpk05634 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there, As one of the people who was trying to jump-start a LD meeting/lunch at NAMM (along with Rick Walker and others) I feel rather silly to have not actually made it to the show on Saturday. I can only offer my heartfelt apologies and my very legitimate excuse of a semi-serious health issue that required me to leave Anaheim a day earlier than I'd planned. It was kind of a bum show for me because of that. My health issue (a hernia) allowed me only about a painful half an hour at the show on Thursday, and made me weak and tender enough on Friday that I left early, checked out of the hotel (after spending only a little over half a the day at the show) and drove to the home of some nearby SoCal relatives to recuperate a little before making the long drive back to Oregon last night. Its hard being an "old dude" without health care (big surprise). I need to get the problem taken care of sooner or later but can't afford to right now. Ant there'll be no more hauling around of big racks of gear and stacks of speaker cabs 'til I do. Argh! In the meantime, it was great to see Gary Lehman, Steve Lawson and (very briefly) Kim Flint at various times during my short stay at NAMM. Maybe next year, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 18 12:29:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0IHS8F07936; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:28:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:28:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <008c01c3ddc0$78548450$0207a8c0@Stephen> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040117233006.02ab6940@annihilist.com> <008c01c3ddc0$78548450$0207a8c0@Stephen> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 09:29:26 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: looper lunch Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >...and the only thing you wanted was to go back to Kansas, right? What? Was Kerry Livgren there too? Damn! > >> Wow, the NAMM Loosers Delight lunch was great today. There was Gary >Lehman, >> Richard Zvonar, me, David Torn, Brian Eno, Phil Keaggy, Paul Dresher, >> Robert Fripp, Steve Reich, Pauline Oliveros, Grand Master Flash, Kellar >> Williams, Aphex Twin, Snoop Dogg, and playboy model Petra. What amazing >> conversations we had! I wish you all could have been there. >> >> kim >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >> kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com >> >> >> >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 18 13:15:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0IIDYj20152; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 13:13:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 13:13:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005e01c3ddee$cc5085d0$707638d4@computername> From: "Dave Sturt" To: Subject: UK GIG SPAM - Cipher tour Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 18:13:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0053_01C3DDEE.B77D1A10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <0hjjmC.A.t6E.OzsCAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C3DDEE.B77D1A10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi=20 For those in the UK - Cipher, myself and Theo Travis, are touring with = the classic silent film - The Last Laugh at the following venues. There = will be mucho looping and other MIDI madness. If you can make any of the = gigs please say hello. Jan 25 Nottingham, Broadway Cinema Jan 29 Manchester, Cornerhouse=20 Jan 31 Cardiff, Chapter Arts Centre=20 Feb 1 Sheffield, Showroom Cinema Feb 8 Norwich, Cinema City@ The Playhouse=20 Feb 15 Bradford, Pictureville=20 Feb 21 Bath, University Arts Theatre=20 Feb 22 London, Barbican=20 Feb 26 Coventry, Warwick Arts Centre=20 Feb 29 Birmingham, MAC=20 www.cipher.f9.co.uk=20 Cheers, Dave Sturt ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C3DDEE.B77D1A10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi
 
For those in the UK  - Cipher, = myself and Theo=20 Travis, are touring with the classic silent film - The Last Laugh = at the=20 following venues. There will be mucho looping and other MIDI = madness. If=20 you can make any of the gigs please say hello.
 
Jan 25  Nottingham, Broadway Cinema
Jan 29  = Manchester,=20 Cornerhouse
Jan 31 Cardiff, Chapter Arts Centre
Feb 1 Sheffield, = Showroom Cinema
Feb 8 Norwich, Cinema City@ The Playhouse
Feb 15=20 Bradford, Pictureville
Feb 21 Bath, University Arts Theatre
Feb = 22=20 London, Barbican
Feb 26 Coventry, Warwick Arts Centre
Feb 29 = Birmingham,=20 MAC=20

www.cipher.f9.co.uk =

Cheers,

Dave Sturt

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Are these any good ? = im thinking of getting a (much smaller) pedal based = looping rig =85 I will keep the edp as well (and get a repeater one day), but I = was wondering about smaller pedals, anyone used this pedal = ?

 

Also im interested in rack mixer to combine 2 = guitars, laptop, 2 or 3 mics. Any ideas ? budget is depressingly small

 

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------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C3DDF4.EB8CFC70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 18 14:12:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0IJ9pj02563; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 14:09:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 14:09:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <400AD85E.9030109@mhorse.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 11:02:54 -0800 From: Daryl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DOD PDS 1002 References: <000c01c3ddf4$eb8cfc70$6501a8c0@davidkm1v2z886> In-Reply-To: <000c01c3ddf4$eb8cfc70$6501a8c0@davidkm1v2z886> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020506040208040605030904" Resent-Message-ID: <4UcxjB.A.6n._ntCAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020506040208040605030904 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hell yeah! The sound quality is great, not at all typical delay-pedal-ish, and the double-pedal setup is quite nice. I think it's one of the best compact loopers for those on a budget, you should be able to get one for $60 or even less. You can do great pitch-shifting with it by flipping around the time knob, you can mess with the internal pots for more time and lower sample rate (for lo-fi sound), you can crank up a pot for self-oscillation...The Zoom 2100 is a great looper that you can get for a lot more sample time for about the same money, though it's not as user-friendly and you don't have the pitch-maneuverability. I'm sure everyone will chime in on the Line 6 looping pedal, and if you afford $200, it offers a lot more time and the ability to reverse. Myself, I like the tone of the DOD a lot better, and the other features compensate somewhat too. Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com > Are these any good ? im thinking of getting a (much smaller) pedal > based looping rig … I will keep the edp as well (and get a repeater > one day), but I was wondering about smaller pedals, anyone used this > pedal ? > > > > Also im interested in rack mixer to combine 2 guitars, laptop, 2 or 3 > mics. Any ideas ? budget is depressingly small > > > --------------020506040208040605030904 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
hell yeah!  The sound quality is great, not at all typical delay-pedal-ish, and the double-pedal setup is quite nice.  I think it's one of the best compact loopers for those on a budget, you should be able to get one for $60 or even less.  You can do great pitch-shifting with it by flipping around the time knob, you can mess with the internal pots for more time and lower sample rate (for lo-fi sound), you can crank up a pot for self-oscillation...The Zoom 2100 is a great looper that you can get for a lot more sample time for about the same money, though it's not as user-friendly and you don't have the pitch-maneuverability. 

I'm sure everyone will chime in on the Line 6 looping pedal, and if you afford $200, it offers a lot more time and the ability to reverse.  Myself, I like the tone of the DOD a lot better, and the other features compensate somewhat too.

Daryl Shawn
highhorse@mhorse.com

Are these any good ? im thinking of getting a (much smaller) pedal based looping rig … I will keep the edp as well (and get a repeater one day), but I was wondering about smaller pedals, anyone used this pedal ?

 

Also im interested in rack mixer to combine 2 guitars, laptop, 2 or 3 mics. Any ideas ? budget is depressingly small

 


--------------020506040208040605030904-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 18 14:55:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0IJrJu12670; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 14:53:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 14:53:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 14:38:51 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performances NYC 1.24.04 Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, DrTVideo@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, collision-collusion@ai.mit.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I'll be doing a video performance with the band Bionaut at Collective:Unconscious, 145 Ludlow Street, NYC on Saturday Jan 24. Our plan is to do a 4 hour continuous set from 1-5PM. We will be joined again by Motion Sculpture movement artist, Claire Barratt, who added a strong visual and movement element to my last show with Bionaut Bionaut leader Chris Green describes the show as follows: Driven by the improvised live electronic music of Bionaut (in the vein of classic Tangerine Dream), Somnaphelia is an evolving performance piece incorporating improvised live video projections by Dr T, and other creative elements. Bionaut has long been mining the realm of deep electronic exploration with the increasingly coherent goal of sculpting an anesthesizing sonic tincture. This open-ended residency at the Collective:Unconscious will track the progress of a group of committed individuals as they chart closer and closer to an encounter with doors yet to be opened. Come one, come all... night shall fall. Directions at http://www.weird.org/map/collectivemap.htm -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 18 15:20:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0IKFw819497; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 15:15:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 15:15:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c3ddff$e2b445d0$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: <000c01c3ddf4$eb8cfc70$6501a8c0@davidkm1v2z886> Subject: Re: DOD PDS 1002 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 15:15:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C3DDD5.F91F3390" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C3DDD5.F91F3390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I really suggest looking for a PDS20/20 used. You can adjust the trim = pots to give a maximum of 20 second. Set it at 8 seconds and it is = pretty much a PDS8000. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Swain=20 To: Loopers Delight mailing list=20 Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 1:57 PM Subject: DOD PDS 1002 Are these any good ? im thinking of getting a (much smaller) pedal = based looping rig =85 I will keep the edp as well (and get a repeater = one day), but I was wondering about smaller pedals, anyone used this = pedal ? =20 Also im interested in rack mixer to combine 2 guitars, laptop, 2 or 3 = mics. Any ideas ? budget is depressingly small =20 thanks =20 David Swain =20 d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk http://www.davidswain.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk =20 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.560 / Virus Database: 352 - Release Date: 08/01/2004 ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C3DDD5.F91F3390 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I really suggest looking for a PDS20/20 = used. =20 You can adjust the trim pots to give a maximum of 20 second.  Set = it at 8=20 seconds and it is pretty much a PDS8000.
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Also im interested in = rack mixer=20 to combine 2 guitars, laptop, 2 or 3 mics. Any ideas=20 ? budget is depressingly small

 

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------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C3DDD5.F91F3390-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 18 15:21:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0IKI4d20059; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 15:18:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 15:18:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007001c3de00$2ed78b70$0601a8c0@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: References: <200401181859.i0IIxC531855@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: NAMM loosers delight luncheon spoiler checks in Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:18:06 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Gang, I was in the throes, all weekend, of a particularly gnarly flu and was forced to not only cancel my whole NAMM weekend (for which I was bitterly dissapointed) but also my gig with Koorosh in Glendale on friday night. I'm sorry that the luncheon wasn't successful but at least Ted Killian (he of the recurring hernia) and myself had the kinds of doctors' excuses that would have gotten a little kid out of school. Please forgive. If there had been any way that I could have made it I would have and, trust me, you would not have wanted to catch the bug that laid me up all weekend long................what a nasty little 'drain all night' wonder it was. I would have shaken hands with everyone right at the most communicable of stages. I spent the weekend in bed, however,coughing, sneezing and catching up with several new looper CDs that have been sent to me in the past few months. I particularly enjoyed the brilliant Michael Peters completion of his gargatuan My2K project (wherein he made a 10 second sample of music everyday for the year 2000). Although not a 'listening' CD, per se, It was really fun to go to his website and read about his creative process throughout the whole project. I have to say that this project was the single starting point of inspiration when I immersed myself in the world of electronic computer music back in 2000 and to hear it completed was spiritually satisfying for me. I also really enjoyed ghost7, dan soltzberg's bass looping project. He has some beautiful and abstract loops that he created, frequently transcending the normal role of the bass guitar. It is a very minimalist and abstract affair (after my own aesthetic heart) and I particularly liked his use of programmed drum machine (something I'm normally very critical of being a drummer/programmer). The other salient feature of this recording is that he recorded and looped this project live with no overdubs, no mean feat. I really enjoyed it and recommend it for purchase. Please forgive my no show at the luncheon. I was heartbroken not to see everybody again. yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 18 15:39:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0IKYTl24179; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 15:34:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 15:34:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <400AEC82.AF48F2D5@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:28:50 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Reminder/update: Andre LaFosse and Steve Lawson at CalArts, 1/20/04 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com More details for a last minute show with myself and Steve - Tuesday, January 20th 4:00 PM CalArts - http://www.calarts.edu Free admission! The performance with be in the Gamelan music room (room number A114, on the first floor). There's an info desk just inside the main entrance to the school that can provide you with more directions... Both Steve and I will do full solo sets, and may also play some duo stuff, depending on how the day goes... Steve is also doing a show with Trip Wamsley in Costa Mesa the night before, and LD'r Tom Greisgraber is playing in town the night after - good week for shows in LA, for once! --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 18 16:15:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0ILEH102961; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 16:14:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 16:14:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <400AF588.1070809@mhorse.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 13:07:20 -0800 From: Daryl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DOD PDS 1002 References: <000c01c3ddf4$eb8cfc70$6501a8c0@davidkm1v2z886> <000e01c3ddff$e2b445d0$6402a8c0@breakyii> In-Reply-To: <000e01c3ddff$e2b445d0$6402a8c0@breakyii> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050608020400030000090905" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050608020400030000090905 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Really?? I'd assumed the delay portion of that unit was the same as the 1002 (which seems to give a max of four or five seconds with the trim adjustment). Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com > I really suggest looking for a PDS20/20 used. You can adjust the trim > pots to give a maximum of 20 second. Set it at 8 seconds and it is > pretty much a PDS8000. --------------050608020400030000090905 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Really??  I'd assumed the delay portion of that unit was the same as the 1002 (which seems to give a max of four or five seconds with the trim adjustment). 

Daryl Shawn
highhorse@mhorse.com

I really suggest looking for a PDS20/20 used.  You can adjust the trim pots to give a maximum of 20 second.  Set it at 8 seconds and it is pretty much a PDS8000.

--------------050608020400030000090905-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 18 16:22:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0ILKca04893; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 16:20:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 16:20:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c3de08$ebc692f0$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: <000c01c3ddf4$eb8cfc70$6501a8c0@davidkm1v2z886> <000e01c3ddff$e2b445d0$6402a8c0@breakyii> <400AF588.1070809@mhorse.com> Subject: Re: DOD PDS 1002 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 16:20:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C3DDDF.02A59F40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C3DDDF.02A59F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have mine at 20 seconds. It sounds VERY lowfi, which is why I leave = it there.... So the max is 4-5 on a PDS1002? I heard 3....suspected it was more like = 4-5. Have you fiddled with a PDS2000 at all? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Daryl=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 4:07 PM Subject: Re: DOD PDS 1002 Really?? I'd assumed the delay portion of that unit was the same as = the 1002 (which seems to give a max of four or five seconds with the = trim adjustment). =20 Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com I really suggest looking for a PDS20/20 used. You can adjust the = trim pots to give a maximum of 20 second. Set it at 8 seconds and it is = pretty much a PDS8000. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C3DDDF.02A59F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have mine at 20 seconds.  It = sounds VERY=20 lowfi, which is why I leave it there....
 
So the max is 4-5 on a PDS1002?  I = heard=20 3....suspected it was more like 4-5.  Have you fiddled with a = PDS2000 at=20 all?
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Daryl=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 = 4:07=20 PM
Subject: Re: DOD PDS 1002


Really??  I'd assumed the delay portion of = that unit=20 was the same as the 1002 (which seems to give a max of four or five = seconds=20 with the trim adjustment). 

Daryl Shawn
highhorse@mhorse.com

I really suggest looking for a = PDS20/20=20 used.  You can adjust the trim pots to give a maximum of 20=20 second.  Set it at 8 seconds and it is pretty much a=20 PDS8000.

------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C3DDDF.02A59F40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 18 18:30:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0INRLw04363; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 18:27:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 18:27:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 16:40:54 -0700 Subject: Re: DOD PDS 1002 From: Are-Jay Hoffmann To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001a01c3de08$ebc692f0$6402a8c0@breakyii> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3157288854_94743_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <_gTAW.A.DEB.ZZxCAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3157288854_94743_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 1/18/04 2:20 PM, Shane Whitbread at shanewhitbread@sympatico.ca wrote: I have mine at 20 seconds. It sounds VERY lowfi, which is why I leave it there.... So the max is 4-5 on a PDS1002? I heard 3....suspected it was more like 4-5. Have you fiddled with a PDS2000 at all? ----- Original Message ----- From: Daryl To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 4:07 PM Subject: Re: DOD PDS 1002 Really?? I'd assumed the delay portion of that unit was the same as the 1002 (which seems to give a max of four or five seconds with the trim adjustment). Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com I really suggest looking for a PDS20/20 used. You can adjust the trim pots to give a maximum of 20 second. Set it at 8 seconds and it is pretty much a PDS8000. whats up fellow loopers. ive been a silent "obserever" thus far (getting on the typer makes my arms feel like im in a piano recital), but the PDS 1002 discussion pulled me in. i happen to have one on its way from Ebayland as we type. do you have to get inside the unit to make the mods? ive been looping my bass and elec. violin along with various MuTron, pitch bends, and synths for a number of years now-- mainly live electro stuff. (stressing the "electro" rather than "live"-- most clubbers dont even realize weve got instruments on) now im in a weird rock band thats loop heavy. too fun for words. any info on the 1002 is greatly appreciated. also, the "favorite looping technique" discussions ruled. anyone looping in San Diego besides me? later. http://www.therobotateme.com fretless808@earthlink.net Are-Jay --MS_Mac_OE_3157288854_94743_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: DOD PDS 1002 on 1/18/04 2:20 PM, Shane Whitbread at shanewhitbread@sympatico.ca wrote:
I have mine at 20 seconds.  It sounds VERY = lowfi, which is why I leave it there....

So the max is 4-5 on a PDS1002?  I heard 3....suspected= it was more like 4-5.  Have you fiddled with a PDS2000 at all?
----- Original Message -----
From: Daryl <mailto:highhorse@mhorse.com>  
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: DOD PDS 1002


Really??  I'd assumed the delay portion of that unit was the same as t= he 1002 (which seems to give a max of four or five seconds with the trim adj= ustment).  

Daryl Shawn
highhorse@mhorse.com

I really suggest looking for a PDS20/20 used. &n= bsp;You can adjust the trim pots to give a maximum of 20 second.  Set i= t at 8 seconds and it is pretty much a PDS8000.



  whats up fellow loopers. ive been a silent "obserever&quo= t; thus far (getting on the typer makes my arms feel like im in a piano reci= tal), but the PDS 1002 discussion pulled me in. i happen to have one on its = way from Ebayland as we type. do you have to get inside the unit to make the= mods? ive been looping my bass and elec. violin along with various MuTron, = pitch bends, and synths for a number of years now-- mainly live electro stuf= f. (stressing the "electro" rather than "live"-- most cl= ubbers dont even realize weve got instruments on)
   now im in a weird rock band thats loop heavy. too fun fo= r words. any info on the 1002 is greatly appreciated. also, the "favori= te looping technique" discussions ruled.
  anyone looping in San Diego besides me? later.

 http://www.therobotateme.com   

 fretless808@earthlink.net        =   

            &n= bsp;            =             &nbs= p;          Are-Jay

    --MS_Mac_OE_3157288854_94743_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 18 18:58:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0INuR912750; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 18:56:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 18:56:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001401c3de1e$b095fa70$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: Subject: Re: DOD PDS 1002 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 18:56:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C3DDF4.C74EE120" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <1QRqf.A.IHD.r0xCAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C3DDF4.C74EE120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: DOD PDS 1002There are 2 trimpots to adjust. All you need is 2 sizes = of screwdrivers, a felt tipped pen, and a battery. Basically expect more detailed instructions soon as I am going to write a really = simple page with photos on it(or follow the guidelines for modding the = RDS3.6/7.6, except you can plug in the unit while tweaking it if you = used a battery without risk). when I get ahold of a PDS1002 and 2000, I = will add them, unless someone can post a link to a photograph of the = guts of these(or is willing to take a photo). Does anyone know if the PDS8000 is adjustable? Has anyone tried? Or = are they just too expensive for anyone to open and start to mess with? Shane whats up fellow loopers. ive been a silent "obserever" thus far = (getting on the typer makes my arms feel like im in a piano recital), = but the PDS 1002 discussion pulled me in. i happen to have one on its = way from Ebayland as we type. do you have to get inside the unit to make = the mods? ive been looping my bass and elec. violin along with various = MuTron, pitch bends, and synths for a number of years now-- mainly live = electro stuff. (stressing the "electro" rather than "live"-- most = clubbers dont even realize weve got instruments on)=20 now im in a weird rock band thats loop heavy. too fun for words. = any info on the 1002 is greatly appreciated. also, the "favorite looping = technique" discussions ruled.=20 anyone looping in San Diego besides me? later. http://www.therobotateme.com =20 fretless808@earthlink.net =20 Are-Jay ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C3DDF4.C74EE120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: DOD PDS 1002
There are 2 trimpots to adjust.  = All you need=20 is 2 sizes of screwdrivers, a felt tipped pen, and a battery. =20 Basically
 
expect more detailed instructions soon = as I am=20 going to write a really simple page with photos on it(or follow the = guidelines=20 for modding the RDS3.6/7.6, except you can plug in the unit while = tweaking it if=20 you used a battery without risk).  when I get ahold of a PDS1002 = and 2000,=20 I will add them, unless someone can post a link to a photograph of the = guts of=20 these(or is willing to take a photo).
 
Does anyone know if the PDS8000 is=20 adjustable?  Has anyone tried?  Or are they just too expensive = for=20 anyone to open and start to mess with?
 
Shane
whats=20 up fellow loopers. ive been a silent "obserever" thus far (getting on = the=20 typer makes my arms feel like im in a piano recital), but the PDS 1002 = discussion pulled me in. i happen to have one on its way from Ebayland = as we=20 type. do you have to get inside the unit to make the mods? ive been = looping my=20 bass and elec. violin along with various MuTron, pitch bends, and = synths for a=20 number of years now-- mainly live electro stuff. (stressing the = "electro"=20 rather than "live"-- most clubbers dont even realize weve got = instruments on)=20
   now im in a weird rock band thats loop heavy. = too fun=20 for words. any info on the 1002 is greatly appreciated. also, the = "favorite=20 looping technique" discussions ruled.
  anyone looping = in San=20 Diego besides me? later.

 http://www.therobotateme.com=20   

 fretless808@earthlink.net=20 =          

  = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;         Are-Jay

=    =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C3DDF4.C74EE120-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 18 21:06:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0J25Db15036; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:05:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:05:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: Second Attempt at HELP!!! Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:06:48 -0500 Message-ID: <008501c3de30$e623acc0$6401a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040117150907.01b50b70@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you have a Palm PDA and a MIDI adapter for it, you can use EDPDA to translate program change commands into MIDI commands for the EDP. See: http://www.greenteasoftware.com/edpda.htm I'm the author of EDPDA and would be pleased to answer any questions you may have. Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com -----Original Message----- From: Sean Echevarria [mailto:sean@loomwebdesign.com] Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 6:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Second Attempt at HELP!!! The MIDIbuddy only sends program changes - can't use it with the EDP for selecting loops. At 02:58 PM 04/01/17, John Metzler wrote: >3. I want to be able to access any loop from any other loop in the EDP >with the push of only 1 button. This is Why I got the RFX MIDIbuddy foot >controller. It has individual buttons numbered 0-9 and a 10up and 10down >button. I thought I could plug this in and set it up so that pushing >button 3 would jump me straight to 3 and 7 to 7 and so on. I have been >unable to do this. Am I doing something wrong or will this foot >controller simply not work for this function. HOW CAN I DO THIS??? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 18 23:28:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0J4Qmp16017; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 23:26:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 23:26:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:40:23 -0700 Subject: Re: DOD PDS 1002 From: Are-Jay Hoffmann To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001401c3de1e$b095fa70$6402a8c0@breakyii> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3157306823_45950_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3157306823_45950_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 1/18/04 4:56 PM, Shane Whitbread at shanewhitbread@sympatico.ca wrote: There are 2 trimpots to adjust. All you need is 2 sizes of screwdrivers, a felt tipped pen, and a battery. Basically expect more detailed instructions soon as I am going to write a really simple page with photos on it(or follow the guidelines for modding the RDS3.6/7.6, except you can plug in the unit while tweaking it if you used a battery without risk). when I get ahold of a PDS1002 and 2000, I will add them, unless someone can post a link to a photograph of the guts of these(or is willing to take a photo). Does anyone know if the PDS8000 is adjustable? Has anyone tried? Or are they just too expensive for anyone to open and start to mess with? Shane whats up fellow loopers. ive been a silent "obserever" thus far (getting on the typer makes my arms feel like im in a piano recital), but the PDS 1002 discussion pulled me in. i happen to have one on its way from Ebayland as we type. do you have to get inside the unit to make the mods? ive been looping my bass and elec. violin along with various MuTron, pitch bends, and synths for a number of years now-- mainly live electro stuff. (stressing the "electro" rather than "live"-- most clubbers dont even realize weve got instruments on) now im in a weird rock band thats loop heavy. too fun for words. any info on the 1002 is greatly appreciated. also, the "favorite looping technique" discussions ruled. anyone looping in San Diego besides me? later. http://www.therobotateme.com fretless808@earthlink.net Are-Jay thanks, man. i may be able to shoot you a photo when i get mine in-- well be in touch. --MS_Mac_OE_3157306823_45950_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: DOD PDS 1002 on 1/18/04 4:56 PM, Shane Whitbread at shanewhitbread@sympatico.ca wrote:
There are 2 trimpots to adjus= t.  All you need is 2 sizes of screwdrivers, a felt tipped pen, and a b= attery.  Basically

expect more detailed instructions soon as= I am going to write a really simple page with photos on it(or follow the gu= idelines for modding the RDS3.6/7.6, except you can plug in the unit while t= weaking it if you used a battery without risk).  when I get ahold of a = PDS1002 and 2000, I will add them, unless someone can post a link to a photo= graph of the guts of these(or is willing to take a photo).

Does anyone know if the PDS8000 is adjust= able?  Has anyone tried?  Or are they just too expensive for anyon= e to open and start to mess with?

Shane
whats up fellow loopers. ive been a silent "= obserever" thus far (getting on the typer makes my arms feel like im in= a piano recital), but the PDS 1002 discussion pulled me in. i happen to hav= e one on its way from Ebayland as we type. do you have to get inside the uni= t to make the mods? ive been looping my bass and elec. violin along with var= ious MuTron, pitch bends, and synths for a number of years now-- mainly live= electro stuff. (stressing the "electro" rather than "live&qu= ot;-- most clubbers dont even realize weve got instruments on)
  now im in a weird rock band thats loop heavy. too fun for word= s. any info on the 1002 is greatly appreciated. also, the "favorite loo= ping technique" discussions ruled.
 anyone looping in San Diego besides me? later.

http://www.therobotateme.com   

fretless808@earthlink.net         =  

            &n= bsp;            =             &nbs= p;         Are-Jay

   


 thanks, man. i may be able to shoot you  a photo when i get min= e in-- well be in touch. --MS_Mac_OE_3157306823_45950_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 19 00:31:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0J5RZk29166; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 00:27:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 00:27:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c201c3de4c$f2b2a2e0$0601a8c0@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: References: <200401121454.i0CEsD025708@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: OT: looking for quirky organ samples to loop Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:27:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm looking for a bunch of different samples of different atypical organs (non-church, non B3, non farfisa). I keep hearing some really great and idiosyncratic organs on records by Elliot Smith and others and wonder if anyone knows of a particularly good collection or if you have some interspersed with your own sample collection. I'm not really interested in records or CDs of organ performances to sample but more am looking for samples that have already been made, specifically for playing on keyboards. Barring that, how about some cool processing suggestions to make typical organs sound more interesting..............maybe that's what I'm hearing on these records I've been listening to. I have a really good CD of drum samples (particularly concentrating on electronic drums, synth drums and old analogue drum machines, but with several good acoustic kits as well) that I'd be happy to trade straight across for. Please contact me off list only at rickwalker@looppool.info Thanks a lot From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 19 01:11:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0J68dL07766; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 01:08:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 01:08:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 22:08:24 -0800 Subject: obscura-circa ~1983~ From: To: looper people Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3OAto.A.P5B.mR3CAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i still want one: http://electroharmonix.ronsound.com/articles/64sec.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 19 02:27:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0J7Omu23098; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:24:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:24:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20040118231752.04bb5d00@annihilist.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 23:25:37 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Electro-Harmonix 16 second delay Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At NAMM I heard from anonymous yet very reliable sources that Electro-Harmonix is finally reissuing the legendary 16 Second Delay. It will have all the features of the original, but with 5 minutes delay time and non-volatile memory. The audio quality should be better, although there will be a lo-fi mode for something of the original sound. Otherwise it should be identical in features to the old one. I know we've heard these rumors before, but current rumor has it this will be available in summer. We shall see.... let the feeding frenzy begin, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 19 03:22:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0J8KJ201283; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 03:20:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 03:20:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002401c3de64$dcc500a0$54a04c51@gareth> From: "Gareth Hardwick" To: References: <005e01c3ddee$cc5085d0$707638d4@computername> Subject: Re: UK GIG SPAM - Cipher tour Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:12:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C3DE63.FFD23280" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C3DE63.FFD23280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dave, Are advance tickets required for this? I wouldnt mind going to the Nottingham show... Gareth ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dave Sturt=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 6:13 PM Subject: UK GIG SPAM - Cipher tour Hi=20 For those in the UK - Cipher, myself and Theo Travis, are touring = with the classic silent film - The Last Laugh at the following venues. = There will be mucho looping and other MIDI madness. If you can make any = of the gigs please say hello. Jan 25 Nottingham, Broadway Cinema Jan 29 Manchester, Cornerhouse=20 Jan 31 Cardiff, Chapter Arts Centre=20 Feb 1 Sheffield, Showroom Cinema Feb 8 Norwich, Cinema City@ The Playhouse=20 Feb 15 Bradford, Pictureville=20 Feb 21 Bath, University Arts Theatre=20 Feb 22 London, Barbican=20 Feb 26 Coventry, Warwick Arts Centre=20 Feb 29 Birmingham, MAC=20 www.cipher.f9.co.uk=20 Cheers, Dave Sturt ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C3DE63.FFD23280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dave,
 
Are advance tickets required for = this?
 
I wouldnt mind going to the = Nottingham=20 show...
 
Gareth
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dave=20 Sturt
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 = 6:13=20 PM
Subject: UK GIG SPAM - Cipher = tour

Hi
 
For those in the UK  - Cipher, = myself and=20 Theo Travis, are touring with the classic silent film - The Last = Laugh at=20 the following venues. There will be mucho looping and other MIDI=20 madness. If you can make any of the gigs please say = hello.
 
Jan 25  Nottingham, Broadway Cinema
Jan 29  = Manchester,=20 Cornerhouse
Jan 31 Cardiff, Chapter Arts Centre
Feb 1 = Sheffield,=20 Showroom Cinema
Feb 8 Norwich, Cinema City@ The Playhouse
Feb = 15=20 Bradford, Pictureville
Feb 21 Bath, University Arts Theatre =
Feb 22=20 London, Barbican
Feb 26 Coventry, Warwick Arts Centre
Feb 29=20 Birmingham, MAC=20

www.cipher.f9.co.uk

Cheers,

Dave=20 Sturt

------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C3DE63.FFD23280-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 19 05:43:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0JAdjs27251; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 05:39:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 05:39:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c3de78$8f657a60$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: Subject: Re: obscura-circa ~1983~ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 05:39:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So do I. Very very much. Shane ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "looper people" Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 1:08 AM Subject: obscura-circa ~1983~ > i still want one: > > > http://electroharmonix.ronsound.com/articles/64sec.html > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 19 05:44:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0JAgrv27864; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 05:42:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 05:42:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c3de78$ffecb2d0$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040118231752.04bb5d00@annihilist.com> Subject: Re: Electro-Harmonix 16 second delay Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 05:42:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <5GTA2.A.PzG.tS7CAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why do I have a feeling it will cost more and be much less impressive then the Manecoloopers? this is, if it happens at all. I hope with that much time they but in a A/B loop function. Shane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 2:25 AM Subject: Electro-Harmonix 16 second delay > At NAMM I heard from anonymous yet very reliable sources that > Electro-Harmonix is finally reissuing the legendary 16 Second Delay. > > It will have all the features of the original, but with 5 minutes delay > time and non-volatile memory. The audio quality should be better, although > there will be a lo-fi mode for something of the original sound. Otherwise > it should be identical in features to the old one. > > I know we've heard these rumors before, but current rumor has it this will > be available in summer. We shall see.... > > let the feeding frenzy begin, > kim > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 19 08:36:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0JDXe126349; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:33:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:33:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:34:26 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Electro-Harmonix 16 second delay In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040118231752.04bb5d00@annihilist.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sun, 18 Jan 2004, Kim Flint wrote: > At NAMM I heard from anonymous yet very reliable sources that > Electro-Harmonix is finally reissuing the legendary 16 Second Delay. > > It will have all the features of the original, but with 5 minutes delay > time and non-volatile memory. The audio quality should be better, although > there will be a lo-fi mode for something of the original sound. Otherwise > it should be identical in features to the old one. > > I know we've heard these rumors before, but current rumor has it this will > be available in summer. We shall see.... > > let the feeding frenzy begin, > kim Thanks for the advance notice, this gives me enough time to save up :). Steve Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 19 11:14:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0JGA2626074; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:10:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:10:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009001c3dea6$ada142b0$707638d4@computername> From: "Dave Sturt" To: References: <005e01c3ddee$cc5085d0$707638d4@computername> <002401c3de64$dcc500a0$54a04c51@gareth> Subject: Re: UK GIG SPAM - Cipher tour Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:09:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008D_01C3DEA6.AC913240" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <5aE-iD.A.UXG.ZFADAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008D_01C3DEA6.AC913240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gareth It's probably a good idea to book - Nottingham is the premier and it may = get pretty busy. Dave www.cipher.f9.co.uk ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gareth Hardwick=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 8:12 AM Subject: Re: UK GIG SPAM - Cipher tour Dave, Are advance tickets required for this? I wouldnt mind going to the Nottingham show... Gareth ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dave Sturt=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 6:13 PM Subject: UK GIG SPAM - Cipher tour Hi=20 For those in the UK - Cipher, myself and Theo Travis, are touring = with the classic silent film - The Last Laugh at the following venues. = There will be mucho looping and other MIDI madness. If you can make any = of the gigs please say hello. Jan 25 Nottingham, Broadway Cinema Jan 29 Manchester, Cornerhouse=20 Jan 31 Cardiff, Chapter Arts Centre=20 Feb 1 Sheffield, Showroom Cinema Feb 8 Norwich, Cinema City@ The Playhouse=20 Feb 15 Bradford, Pictureville=20 Feb 21 Bath, University Arts Theatre=20 Feb 22 London, Barbican=20 Feb 26 Coventry, Warwick Arts Centre=20 Feb 29 Birmingham, MAC=20 www.cipher.f9.co.uk=20 Cheers, Dave Sturt ------=_NextPart_000_008D_01C3DEA6.AC913240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Gareth
It's probably a good idea to = book -=20 Nottingham is the premier and it may get pretty busy.
 
Dave
 
www.cipher.f9.co.uk
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gareth Hardwick =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 = 8:12=20 AM
Subject: Re: UK GIG SPAM - = Cipher=20 tour

Dave,
 
Are advance tickets required for=20 this?
 
I wouldnt mind going to the = Nottingham=20 show...
 
Gareth
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dave=20 Sturt
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, January 18, = 2004 6:13=20 PM
Subject: UK GIG SPAM - Cipher = tour

Hi
 
For those in the UK  - Cipher, = myself and=20 Theo Travis, are touring with the classic silent film - The = Last Laugh=20 at the following venues. There will be mucho looping and other MIDI=20 madness. If you can make any of the gigs please say = hello.
 
Jan 25  Nottingham, Broadway Cinema
Jan 29  = Manchester,=20 Cornerhouse
Jan 31 Cardiff, Chapter Arts Centre
Feb 1 = Sheffield,=20 Showroom Cinema
Feb 8 Norwich, Cinema City@ The Playhouse
Feb = 15=20 Bradford, Pictureville
Feb 21 Bath, University Arts Theatre =
Feb 22=20 London, Barbican
Feb 26 Coventry, Warwick Arts Centre
Feb 29 = Birmingham, MAC=20

www.cipher.f9.co.uk

Cheers,

Dave=20 Sturt

------=_NextPart_000_008D_01C3DEA6.AC913240-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 19 11:59:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0JGoSe00419; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:50:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:50:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c3deac$8a39f0a0$35cda344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040118231752.04bb5d00@annihilist.com> <001501c3de78$ffecb2d0$6402a8c0@breakyii> Subject: Boss OC3 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:51:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out009.verizon.net from [68.163.205.53] at Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:50:24 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks. I have a question: can anyone with a Boss OC3 tell me if it's truly polyphonic as advertised? Can you play a chord and have that transposed down an octave without glitching, warbles and burps? :-) Cheers. David Kirkdorffer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 19 12:12:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0JH9nl05896; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:09:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:09:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: BEEsignature9@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:09:37 EST Subject: Re: looper lunch To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1074532177" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5101 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1074532177 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Man, I did get to meet Gary the day before and watched him play at star labs! It was great meeting Gary... I was performing myself at several booths, and when I looked at the time to be sure to be there for the lunch, it was 2 PM.... ahhhhhh, and now I am one of the irresponsible flakes that I so often enjoy bagging on! It was great to meet you Gary! -------------------------------1074532177 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Man, I did get to meet Gary the day before and watched him play at star= labs!
 
It was great meeting Gary...
 
I was performing myself at several booths, and when I looked at the tim= e to be sure to be there for the lunch, it was 2 PM....
 
ahhhhhh, and now I am one of the irresponsible flakes that I so of= ten enjoy bagging on!
 
It was great to meet you Gary!
-------------------------------1074532177-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 19 12:20:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0JHBWI06149; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:11:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:11:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: BEEsignature9@aol.com Message-ID: <66.3b7cd666.2d3d69b7@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:11:19 EST Subject: Re: looper lunch To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1074532279" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5101 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1074532279 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ahh it was very cool to run into Lee as well! -------------------------------1074532279 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ahh it was very cool to run into Lee as well! -------------------------------1074532279-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 19 12:28:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0JHOFW08767; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:24:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:24:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c3deb1$42543b60$35cda344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: Subject: adding content to Loopers-Delight website Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:25:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out012.verizon.net from [68.163.205.53] at Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:24:11 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is thee content on this webpage worth capturing and storing on Loopers-Delight "Tools of the Trade - History" section? http://electroharmonix.ronsound.com/articles/64sec.html Infact, if us loopy-readers were to search the web and submit links, pictures and text of loopers from time gone by, would someone be able to add / leverage this type of content to the Loopers Delight web-site?? David Kirkdorffer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 19 12:28:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0JHPfM09124; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:25:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:25:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: looper lunch Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 09:25:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcPerzgywJVVeL8HRwyO/pQ16MLpNgAAZgWg In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Looping 9Stringer wrote: It was great to meet you Gary! ------> And you as well--Greg was playing at the booth where Steve Lawson's gear was set up--I caught a little of them--it was pretty close to our booth. What an experience to work a booth--wait til next year! Kim Flint was nice as pie considering his lack of same (pie) (oh nevermind) Love and Kisses to all, and good luck to Andre and Steve on Tuesday--break a loop! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 19 12:31:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0JHQAT09304; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:26:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:26:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:24:03 -0600 (CST) From: X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Electro-Harmonix 16 second delay In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040118231752.04bb5d00@annihilist.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just like Mike Matthews told me.But nobody believed me! ;-D Andy On Sun, 18 Jan 2004, Kim Flint wrote: > At NAMM I heard from anonymous yet very reliable sources that > Electro-Harmonix is finally reissuing the legendary 16 Second Delay. > > It will have all the features of the original, but with 5 minutes delay > time and non-volatile memory. The audio quality should be better, although > there will be a lo-fi mode for something of the original sound. Otherwise > it should be identical in features to the old one. > > I know we've heard these rumors before, but current rumor has it this will > be available in summer. We shall see.... > > let the feeding frenzy begin, > kim > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 19 12:58:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0JHrNF15021; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:53:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:53:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: BEEsignature9@aol.com Message-ID: <1e9.17854e2f.2d3d7378@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:52:56 EST Subject: Re: looper lunch To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1074534776" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5101 Resent-Message-ID: <2572kB.A.iqD.SmBDAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1074534776 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Any frustration anyone may have of organizing or attending something like a loopers lunch at a HUGE trade show... Is very understandable... I run a yahoo group called ExtendedRangeBassist... We have over 200 members, and of the handful who attended NAMM, we were all trying desperately to organize a group photo... HA! i still don't see how we could have pulled it off ;) -------------------------------1074534776 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Any frustration anyone may have of organizing or attending somethi= ng like a loopers lunch at a HUGE trade show...
 
Is very understandable...
 
I run a yahoo group called ExtendedRangeBassist...
 
We have over 200 members, and of the handful who attended NAMM, we were= all trying desperately to organize a group photo...
 
HA! i still don't see how we could have pulled it off
 
;)
-------------------------------1074534776-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 19 13:50:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0JIf5P26087; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:41:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:41:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: looper lunch Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:41:06 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C3DE78.BE8CB4C0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcPerzn8CH09O81BS1auXEppJYLLHQADHD0Q Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C3DE78.BE8CB4C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Next time maybe organize the thing using NAMM TIME - 5 hours at NAMM feels like 1 hour every time I go. _____ From: BEEsignature9@aol.com [mailto:BEEsignature9@aol.com] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 9:10 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looper lunch Man, I did get to meet Gary the day before and watched him play at star labs! It was great meeting Gary... I was performing myself at several booths, and when I looked at the time to be sure to be there for the lunch, it was 2 PM.... ahhhhhh, and now I am one of the irresponsible flakes that I so often enjoy bagging on! It was great to meet you Gary! ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C3DE78.BE8CB4C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Next time maybe organize the thing = using NAMM TIME – 5 hours at NAMM feels like 1 hour every time I = go.

 


From: BEEsignature9@aol.com [mailto:BEEsignature9@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, January 19, = 2004 9:10 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: looper = lunch

 

Man, I did get to meet Gary the day before and watched him play at star = labs!

 

It was great meeting = Gary...

 

I was performing myself at several booths, and when I = looked at the time to be sure to be there for the lunch, it was 2 = PM....

 

ahhhhhh, and now I am one of the irresponsible = flakes that I so often enjoy bagging on!

 

It was great to meet you = Gary!

------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C3DE78.BE8CB4C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 19 13:55:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0JIlRu27203; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:47:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:47:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:44:42 -0800 To: , From: asterion@hell.com Subject: RE: looper lunch Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1137584452==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1137584452==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 10:41 AM -0800 1/19/04, | SquidLoop | wrote: >Next time maybe organize the thing using NAMM TIME - 5 hours at NAMM >feels like 1 hour every time I go. Actually, those who DID show up were using Professional Musicians' Time (PMT). That is, they were 20 minutes early. -- /| |\ \ \ / / < * * > ( o o ) A --============_-1137584452==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" RE: looper lunch
At 10:41 AM -0800 1/19/04, | SquidLoop | wrote:
Next time maybe organize the thing using NAMM TIME - 5 hours at NAMM feels like 1 hour every time I go.

Actually, those who DID show up were using Professional Musicians' Time (PMT). That is, they were 20 minutes early.


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--============_-1137584452==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 19 14:05:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0JJ2AX31670; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:02:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:02:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007001c3debe$ef59d420$35cda344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <001f01c3deb1$42543b60$35cda344@hppav> Subject: internet worm - warning..... Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:03:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out009.verizon.net from [68.163.205.53] at Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:02:08 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com FYI.... http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1212&e=1&u=/nm/20040119/wr_nm/tech_internet_virus_dc&sid=95573503 Spammers' Scavenging E-Mail Virus Surfaces on Net 23 minutes ago Add Technology - Internet Report to My Yahoo! LONDON (Reuters) - A new computer virus capable of harvesting millions of e-mail addresses from infected PCs was rapidly spreading across the Internet Monday, security experts said. The infection, known as "Bagle" or "Beagle," appears to be the handiwork of spammers keen to collect a batch of e-mail addresses they can then re-sell to other spam e-mail marketers or keep for their own use. "Bagle" also contains code that could turn an infected computer into a veritable "spamming" machine. Security experts said it is patterned after the recent "Sobig" and "Mimail" outbreaks, which also turned scores of computers into zombie machines that spammers can control remotely to send torrents of get-rich-quick and sex aid messages to other computer users. "It seems perfectly possible that Bagle is yet another worm written by spammers. When they have enough infected computers, they could automatically install invisible e-mail proxy servers on each machine and start spamming through them," said Mikko Hypponen, research manager at Finnish anti-virus firm F-Secure. A host of virus-detection firms had placed their most severe ratings on the e-mail, noting it was spreading quickly from Asia through Europe and now to the United States. The e-mail infection, or worm, contains a familiar subject line of "Hi" and an executable file attachment identified by ".exe." The body of the e-mail contains random characters. The virus is triggered once a computer user clicks on the attachment, setting in motion an aggressive e-mail harvesting program that scans all documents on the infected computer and throughout the network it is attached to. Computer analysts said most corporate e-mail filters should be able to block the infected e-mail, but that home users were particularly vulnerable. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 19 16:09:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0JL6JT21802; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:06:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:06:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <400C4A08.A64DD1DD@erols.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:20:08 -0500 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: New Jersey Show with Andre LaFosse Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Friday, January 30th, 8pm-11pm The Town Grind 25 East Main Street Denville, NJ 973-625-9666 BIG LOOPING SHOW w/John Mazzarella, Peter Beidermann and Andre Lafosse $3. Cover This is a call to all of you New Jersey area loopers out there. There will be a triple bill looping performance featuring John Mazzarella, Peter Beidermann, and Andre Lafosse on Friday, January 30th at The Town Grind in Denville, NJ. This is a rare East Coast opportunity to see West Coast based Andre Lafosse in an intimate venue like the Town Grind. For those of you who are not familiar with Andre’s music, he is a master guitarist, and a true innovator in the use of looping technology. Check out his website at www.altruistmusic.com. John Mazzarella www.johnmazzarella.com is a singer/songwriter looper in the vein of Howie Day and Keller Williams. He is also an accomplished alternate tuned fingerstyle guitarist and lap steel guitarist. Peter Beidermann www.peterbeidermann.com is a fantastic looping acoustic/electric guitarist in the vein of Michael Hedges and Robert Fripp. It should be a great show Hope to see you there, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 19 17:58:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0JMtbj08168; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:55:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:55:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040119225536.69879.qmail@web21323.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:55:36 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Rick Walker's Faux Voix - quick review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001101c3dc56$709de500$15a04c51@aoldsl.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I recently received a copy of Rick Walker's new CD Faux Voix and wanted to post a quick review. Bottom line: This is an incredible collection of music! It's very unusual, and very interesting. He uses processes vocals quite heavily as his instrument (hence the name) and naturally, there's lots of looping. I found this to be fascinating music, different then anything I've heard in the past (including Rick's last album). What it does retain from his previous work is the sense of rhythmic intensity and the everpresent push toward new and creative means of expression. I heartily recommend this CD. Here's a pointer to the announcement in the archives: http://loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200312/msg00375.html Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 19 19:15:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0K0DZD25759; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:13:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:13:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <400C71CF.5020403@soundscapes.us> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:09:51 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , Ambient Mailing List Subject: Special Broadcast Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tonight at 11 pm (GMT-5), I will fill in for three hours on WMUH playing progressive rock, electronic, ambient, and space music.  I invite you to tune in locally at 91.7 FM and via the internet at http://192.104.181.184:8080/ramgen/encoder/live.rm

Cheers,

Bill Fox
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 19 21:08:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0K27Xd14733; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:07:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:07:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: BEEsignature9@aol.com Message-ID: <9.209f68a0.2d3de75c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:07:24 EST Subject: Re: looper lunch To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1074564444" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5101 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1074564444 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/19/2004 11:49:17 AM Mountain Standard Time, asterion@hell.com writes: Actually, those who DID show up were using Professional Musicians' Time (PMT). That is, they were 20 minutes early. OUCH!!!!!! -------------------------------1074564444 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 1/19/2004 11:49:17 AM Mountain Standard Time, asteri= on@hell.com writes:
Actually, those who DID show up were using Professio= nal Musicians' Time (PMT). That is, they were 20 minutes early.
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OUCH!!!!!!
-------------------------------1074564444-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 19 21:41:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0K2cL420192; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:38:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:38:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20040120032759.03906e90@pop.chello.se> X-Sender: mpf7428@pop.chello.se X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 03:38:44 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: GTC Subject: Loopadelica... In-Reply-To: <200401190727.i0J7Rx223680@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_52547499==.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_52547499==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greets, Loopers; I've been kind of absent from the list for a while now trying to advance my= =20 efforts as a performing improvisor. In lieu of the closing/restructuring of= =20 mp3.com, i've put up a page at:=20 http://www.soundclick.com/bands/6/jairrohmparkerwells.htm. There are two=20 tracks from my new cd up there. This is the "unofficial" debut for=20 "Loopadelica", my "...method of improvising with looping devices". There=20 will soon be a website up at: http://www.loopdelica.com (don't bother going= =20 there now as it's not up yet, only the domain is registered.) Please, surf over and listen to the tracks. I'd really appreciate some=20 feedback from this community that i love and respect so much. Loop on! Jair-R=F4hm Parker Wells ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Glass Thought Communications "Dedicated to the clear pursuit of excellence" +46 708 940893 http://members.chello.se/gtc/index.htm --=====================_52547499==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greets, Loopers;

I've been kind of absent from the list for a while now trying to advance my efforts as a performing improvisor. In lieu of the closing/restructuring of mp3.com, i've put up a page at:
http://www.soundclic= k.com/bands/6/jairrohmparkerwells.htm. There are two tracks from my new cd up there. This is the "unofficial" debut for "Loopadelica", my "...method of improvising with looping devices". There will soon be a website up at: http://www.loopdel= ica.com (don't bother going there now as it's not up yet, only the domain is= registered.)

Please, surf over and listen to the tracks. I'd really appreciate= some feedback from this community that i love and respect so much.

Loop on!

Jair-R=F4hm Parker Wells



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http:/= /members.chello.se/gtc/index.htm --=====================_52547499==.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 19 23:04:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0K41Sn06293; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:01:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:01:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c3df09$e8e00100$09661e43@r1x5s0> From: "Robin Haas" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:00:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C3DEC6.DA1C8960" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <-jil6C.A.KiB.YgKDAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C3DEC6.DA1C8960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C3DEC6.DA1C8960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 
------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C3DEC6.DA1C8960-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 20 02:18:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0K7Hg407767; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 02:17:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 02:17:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040120071741.94271.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:17:41 -0800 (PST) From: gsj3 Subject: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-104252748-1074583061=:92144" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-104252748-1074583061=:92144 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am a guitarist, and somewhat new to looping. In looking for tools to loop live, I am struck that most hardware loopers (e.g. EDP, Boomerang, RC-20, Gigaedelay) each have their limitations. And some great ones like Repeater have disappeared. In principle, a software based system could combine the "best of" various hadware setups such as sync to a MIDI tempo (like Repeater or EDP), have multiple loops simultaneously (repeater), operating like a delay where loops ca fade (boomerang). Who out there are using computer software to loop live audio? I am particularly interested on hearing from guitarists using MIDI foot controllers to control these systems. The loopers delight page mentions several systems, but no reviews exist on this site: Sonic Foundry Acid Steim LiSa Audiomulch Cycling '74 Max/MSP Native-Instruments Reaktor Ableton Live Cycling '74 Radial plus a new dedicated loop software!... http://www.evenfall.com/ambiloop/index.html Is anybody using these or other systems? I would be interested to hear about peoples set ups. Gregory http://listen.to/gregory.jackson --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes --0-104252748-1074583061=:92144 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I am a guitarist, and somewhat new to looping.  In looking for tools to loop live, I am struck that most hardware loopers (e.g. EDP, Boomerang, RC-20, Gigaedelay) each have their limitations.  And some great ones like Repeater have disappeared.  In principle, a software based system could combine the "best of" various hadware setups such as sync to a MIDI tempo (like Repeater or EDP), have multiple loops simultaneously (repeater), operating like a delay where loops ca fade (boomerang). 
 
Who out there are using computer software to loop live audio?  I am particularly interested on hearing from guitarists using MIDI foot controllers to control these systems.  The loopers delight page mentions several systems, but no reviews exist on this site:

plus a new dedicated loop software!...

Is anybody using these or other systems?  I would be interested to hear about peoples set ups.

Gregory

http://listen.to/gregory.jackson


Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes --0-104252748-1074583061=:92144-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 20 02:33:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0K7Thj09213; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 02:29:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 02:29:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20040119232058.0304f9b0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:30:35 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: looper lunch In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:41 AM 1/19/2004, | SquidLoop | wrote: >Next time maybe organize the thing using NAMM TIME – 5 hours at NAMM feels >like 1 hour every time I go. for me, 1 hour usually feels like 5 hours! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 20 02:35:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0K7YUe09737; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 02:34:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 02:34:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20040119233246.05b81b98@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:35:23 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: adding content to Loopers-Delight website In-Reply-To: <001f01c3deb1$42543b60$35cda344@hppav> References: <001f01c3deb1$42543b60$35cda344@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:35 AM 1/19/2004, David Kirkdorffer wrote: >Infact, if us loopy-readers were to search the web and submit links, >pictures and text of loopers from time gone by, would someone be able to add >/ leverage this type of content to the Loopers Delight web-site?? yes, please feel free to send such things to me and I will put them up if it is interesting. At the moment there is quite a big back log of stuff to do, but I'm slowly working through it. The more organized things are when you send them, the better... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 20 03:31:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0K8TTZ17438; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 03:29:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 03:29:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d001c3df2f$e0a6ca70$0207a8c0@Stephen> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <1e9.17854e2f.2d3d7378@aol.com> Subject: Re: looper lunch Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:32:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com BEEsignature9@aol.com put forth: > We have over 200 members, and of the handful who attended NAMM, we were all trying desperately to organize a group photo... "attended" would imply that tix to this exclusive affair - NAMM, that is - are now available to the general public as opposed to a select group of folks. Has this changed since my departure from the US? If so, I would spout the word "finally!" but I won't keep my hopes up... :P Steve Goodman * EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 20 04:27:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0K9QQo26921; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 04:26:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 04:26:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:26:17 +0100 Subject: Re: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040120071741.94271.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-01-20 08.17, "gsj3" wrote: > I am a guitarist, and somewhat new to looping. In looking for tools to loop > live, I am struck that most hardware loopers (e.g. EDP, Boomerang, RC-20, > Gigaedelay) each have their limitations. Hi Gregory, I'm also a guitarist, doubling on the tenor saxophone, and I have made exactly the opposite experience; after looking into a possible laptop solution for live looping I'm struck by the limitations of today's available software loopers. Many years ago I wrote wish lists to software developers, but no one picked up my ideas for a software looper ("too small market" according to PSP). IMHO no software even comes close to what the EDP will let you do. All software lack "overdub layering sound-on-sound into a spinning loop" features. Personally I'm using my EDP to layer clusters and chords from monophonic playing and then to cut in/out different note values to create rhythms. This is so easily done on the EDP and yet no software will let you do it. Most software are still prone to the rigid "record-a-loop-and-have-it-play-back" concept. To loop live you need (1) overdub feedback control and (2) slicing possibilities, all working in record mode as well as in playback mode. And then, of course, (3) all parameters have to be accessible by external midi. At the moment I'm kind of half the way to a laptop set-up, since I have finally been able to replace my mixer with a laptop armed with a RME Multiface. The Multiface gives you 8 analog in/outputs and I'm using the laptop as a midi controllable patchbay/mixer for blending my EDP with the four tracks of my Repeater. But I seldom loop on the laptop - software is too limited. The software I'm mostly running is Ableton Live. The great benefit of Live is that mixer functions and plug-ins are easily assignable to external midi control. So I'm using a Behringer FCB1010 for my feet and a little UC-33 (midi mixer) for hands. Then I can direct audio streams from my hardware loopers by stepping on the FCB while playing, thus re-routing tracks/sends of Ableton Live software mixer. As a mixer/patchbay I find the laptop much less limited than a physical mixer. Add to this the ability to color audio with all kinds of software plug-ins. I'm running Ableton Live synced to the EDP (midi clock master) so all kind of beat synced software plug-ins keep up with my EDP tempo changes. > In principle, a software based system could combine the > "best of" various hadware setups such as sync to a MIDI tempo (like Repeater > or EDP), have multiple loops simultaneously (repeater), operating like a delay > where loops ca fade (boomerang). Yes, you are right. The possibilities are endless, but the tools are not out yet. I'm not sure that the market really is too small. A good software looper will sell well if only some developer could be able to wrap his head around the concept and write down the code. Ableton Live is pretty close, but it is still lacking both "overdub/layering into a loop" and "cutting note value slices out of/into a loop". -- Best wishes Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 20 06:59:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0KBvcN15514; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 06:57:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 06:57:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040120115737.53914.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 03:57:37 -0800 (PST) From: gsj3 Subject: Re: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives To: per@boysen.se Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-550116008-1074599857=:52874" Resent-Message-ID: <8I8rYB.A.OyD.yeRDAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-550116008-1074599857=:52874 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear Per, THANKS a lot for your quite informative answer. Its really interesting to hear various views and experiences, so I hope my posting gets some other quality responses. A couple questions: >All software lack "overdub layering sound-on-sound into a >spinning loop" features. The really promising one seems to be Ambiloop: http://www.evenfall.com/ambiloop/index.html Unfortunately, I have an old sound card for my desktop, so the latency is too slow to rythmic stuff. Also I have to do some MIDI mapping so I can control it without using my hands. This software is still developing, and seems that we should really encourage the developers! However, I think many of the software like Reaktor basically let you build your own instruments, and so developing looping applications should be possible. People seem to have done this with KYMA, but that software requires expensive external hardware to run. >"to cut in/out different note values to create rhythms" What do you mean by that? >Ableton Live is pretty close, but it is still lacking both "overdub/layering into a loop" and >"cutting note value slices out of/into a loop". So Ableton will let you capture the live audio and loop it (live), but then not overdub onto it? If not, can you just keep adding new tracks on the fly? Thanks again! Gregory --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes --0-550116008-1074599857=:52874 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Dear Per,
 
THANKS a lot for your quite informative answer.  Its really interesting to hear various views and experiences, so I hope my posting gets some other quality responses.
 
A couple questions:

>All software lack "overdub layering sound-on-sound into a
>spinning loop" features.
 
The really promising one seems to be Ambiloop:
Unfortunately, I have an old sound card for my desktop, so the latency is too slow to rythmic stuff.  Also I have to do some MIDI mapping so I can control it without using my hands.  This software is still developing, and seems that we should really encourage the developers!
 
However, I think many of the software like Reaktor basically let you build your own instruments, and so developing looping applications should be possible.  People seem to have done this with KYMA, but that software requires expensive external hardware to run.
 
>"to cut in/out different note values to create rhythms"
 
What do you mean by that?
 
 
>Ableton Live is pretty close, but it is still lacking both "overdub/layering into a loop" and >"cutting note value slices out of/into a loop".
So Ableton will let you capture the live audio and loop it (live), but then not overdub onto it?  If not, can you just keep adding new tracks on the fly?
 
Thanks again!
 
Gregory
 


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Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes --0-550116008-1074599857=:52874-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 20 07:41:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0KCcVG21956; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 07:38:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 07:38:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Mmrksrg@aol.com Message-ID: <167.2aa79ba2.2d3e7b3f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 07:38:23 EST Subject: Re: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_167.2aa79ba2.2d3e7b3f_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 540 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_167.2aa79ba2.2d3e7b3f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For overdubing in live you would have to set up another track to start recording onto. You could setup an Ableton song file with multiple tracks with the same record source. You would need to setup a midi controller to enable track selection and recording etc. Bidule (www.ploguebidule.com) is worth investigating as well for Win and OsX and you can rewire it with Live. Think of it as Max/Msp but an easier enviroment to grasp. Mark Sargeant --part1_167.2aa79ba2.2d3e7b3f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For overdubing in live you  wo= uld  have to set  up  another track to start recording onto.&= nbsp; You could setup  an Ableton song file with  multiple  t= racks  with the same record source. You would need to setup a midi cont= roller  to enable track selection and recording etc.

Bidule (www.ploguebidule.com) is worth investigating as well for Win and OsX= and you can rewire it with Live. Think of it as Max/Msp but an easier envir= oment to grasp.

Mark Sargeant
--part1_167.2aa79ba2.2d3e7b3f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 20 08:06:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0KD1KI25834; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:01:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:01:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <018f01c3df55$e0e341f0$0207a8c0@Stephen> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <167.2aa79ba2.2d3e7b3f@aol.com> Subject: Re: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:04:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mmrksrg@aol.com submitted: >...Bidule (www.ploguebidule.com) is worth investigating as well for Win and OsX and you can rewire it with Live. Think of it as Max/Msp but an easier enviroment to grasp. The above doesn't resolve, and both plogue.bidule.com and bidule.com go only to a domains-for-sale/search site. Vas ist? Thx. Steve Goodman * EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 20 08:14:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0KDDKi27790; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:13:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:13:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: looper lunch Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:13:19 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: looper lunch Thread-Index: AcPfL5d2m1s1P06cQ+CP46pEUb0zJQAJ4LLQ From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2004 13:13:17.0712 (UTC) FILETIME=[2B3DB900:01C3DF57] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i0KDDJk27766 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > "attended" would imply that tix to this exclusive affair - NAMM, that is - > are now available to the general public as opposed to a select group of > folks. Has this changed since my departure from the US? If so, I would > spout the word "finally!" but I won't keep my hopes up... :P Nope. You still need channels to get in. Glenn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 20 08:32:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0KDSuR30189; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:28:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:28:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c3df59$5af142f0$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: <167.2aa79ba2.2d3e7b3f@aol.com> Subject: Re: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:28:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C3DF2F.71E5D310" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C3DF2F.71E5D310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What about the Loop construction kit? Has anyone tried this? ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C3DF2F.71E5D310 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What about the Loop construction = kit?  Has=20 anyone tried this? 
------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C3DF2F.71E5D310-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 20 08:36:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0KDYTh31063; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:34:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:34:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Mmrksrg@aol.com Message-ID: <1ea.179c904b.2d3e885a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:34:18 EST Subject: Re: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1ea.179c904b.2d3e885a_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 540 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1ea.179c904b.2d3e885a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit oops :) http://www.plogue.com/bidule/ --part1_1ea.179c904b.2d3e885a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable oops :) http://www.plogue.com/bidul= e/ --part1_1ea.179c904b.2d3e885a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 20 09:30:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0KEMwk07028; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:22:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:22:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <02f501c3df61$47d2e090$0207a8c0@Stephen> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: looper lunch Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:23:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Poorman" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 13:13 PM Subject: RE: looper lunch > > "attended" would imply that tix to this exclusive affair - NAMM, that > is - > > are now available to the general public as opposed to a select group > of > > folks. Has this changed since my departure from the US? If so, I > would > > spout the word "finally!" but I won't keep my hopes up... :P > > Nope. You still need channels to get in. Hm, I doubt if Shirley Maclaine could help me with this... :) Steve Goodman * EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 20 09:41:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0KEcQd09047; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:38:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:38:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:38:43 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 01/20/2004 09:38:45 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loopers Construction Kit requires Kyma. There are several live looping tools that work very well in Reaktor, available from the user library, and the delay options are extensive. Anybody seriously interested in working out a complex, customized looping environment in software (as opposed to hoping somebody else will do it) would be well advised to check it out. Reaktor's not without problems, but they seem mostly to be related to using it as a plug-in; it works very well as a standalone app., and judging from the very active forums, lots of folks are using it live. The forums are at least half the strength of the product, imho; lots of generous, clever folks who delight in offering help for other builders/users, much like this one, indeed! (And it can be ALMOST as contentious...) Compared to Bidule, Max/MSP, and even Kyma, the speed with which you can get lots of useful replies in the forums, the elegance and flexibility of the user interface, and the vast resources already available in the user library make Reaktor the development tool I'd recommend first. I've only made some rudimentary loopers in Reaktor, since my looping preferences are for simple, multi-delay-based devices...and I've got an EDP (which I also use in a rudimentary sort of way), but what I've enjoyed are the very flexible routing and modulation options, the GREAT effects-processing, and the elegant program-change and MIDI-control interfaces. It was easy, for instance, to build a routing scheme with four parallel effects chains going into a mixer, one of which was a 20-sec. stereo looping delay in front of a step filter, and to put a foot-pedal-controlled distributor in front of it so the pedal position controls which chain or blend of chains gets the live audio signal. Overdubbing is just a matter of pedaling over to the input of the running delay chain. Feedback control, mixer levels, and everything else can be easily assigned to external controllers, automated, sequenced, tempo-synced, etc. There a literally dozens of sampler-based looping/deconstructing tools in the user library, all easily incorporated into anything else you've built... dc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 20 09:59:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0KEw2P11422; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:58:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:58:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:58:19 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 01/20/2004 09:58:20 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com btw, if anybody wants to see in more detail what Reaktor can do with effects, routing, etc., I've written a 43-page, heavily illustrated pdf tutorial for it. It's available to registered Reaktor users in the user library, along with many working examples. But if you just want to read it, I'll be glad to forward the pdf file... dc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 20 11:53:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0KGi3v27401; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:44:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:44:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: NAMM Admission (was looper lunch) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:43:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <02f501c3df61$47d2e090$0207a8c0@Stephen> Thread-Index: AcPfYSFM5er9/29kRAeNwfxbcEICLAAEZ9xw Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "attended" would imply that tix to this exclusive affair - NAMM, that is - are now available to the general public as opposed to a select group of folks. Has this changed since my departure from the US? If so, I would spout the word "finally!" but I won't keep my hopes up... :P > Nope. You still need channels to get in. Hm, I doubt if Shirley Maclaine could help me with this... :) Steve Goodman --------> This was my first chance to work the whole week there . . . >From what I could tell, there are lots of people who attend every year just because they "know somebody". All the buyers were in suits, and some of the several other groups in attendance (musicians, teachers, booking agents, writers) were dressed much more casually (but tamer than in some years past). I didn't hang or check out many other booths at all, just hung at our 10 x 10--but what fun! Although Playboy model Petra did skip our booth . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 20 12:05:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0KH0ok31080; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:00:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:00:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Kim--HTML on LD? (was: RE: Using computers as a Live Looper) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:00:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20040120071741.94271.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcPfJYx4YJOVifasR0ifWMqnknqh7QAUAELQ Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <8pdWiB.A.clH.B7VDAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi--I would be interested in sharing patches with anyone using a PMC-10 to run Ambiloop on a laptop. I have only made feeble exploration of the MIDI options but I think a new version is due out soon, so we will see . . . BTW, the post by Gregory at http://listen.to/gregory.jackson was great and his site has some great pictures, but what's the protocol on HTML in posts? Can I do that? Like, I always admire Cap'n nemoguit and his brevity but I thought big ol' posts like Gregory's crapped out the digest. Also, I use EDPs and a Lexicon G2 for loops. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 20 12:17:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0KHBb532555; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:11:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:11:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Michael Stauffer" To: "gsj3" Cc: Subject: RE: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:13:49 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0052_01C3DF4E.DC705BA0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20040120115737.53914.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8w05WD.A.i8H.IFWDAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01C3DF4E.DC705BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm new to new looping myself, and am oriented towards software because I work as a software developer, and not necessarily because it's better for looping. I agree with all the previously mentioned limits of Ableton Live. That said, I like the Live paradigm because I'm oriented mostly towards looping more traditional music elements that I play/record live along with live percussion and vocals. Ableton's clip editing features are nice (for me at least) to have visible in an intuitive way. ie you can see measure/beat counts and easily change loop durations and various envelopes on the fly, while a loop is playing. You can also have loops fire without syncing to the project tempo/beat. Another nice feature is the "scene" concept, in which multiple loops are designated to start/stop at the same time. It's very easy to arrange scenes on the fly and keep only some loops going from scene to scene while you add new ones. Ableton's got good realtime time-stretching (ie pitch invariant) which is great for what I'm working on. I don't know one way or the other if hardware loopers/repeaters do time-stretching. I just found out about a cool VST slicing/re-mixing plug-in that's really great: SupaTrigga (http://www.smartelectronix.com/~bram/) It slices up a loop and gives you several parameters for automatically remixing the loop on the fly with random variations. It'll reverse slices, silence them, slow them down, etc. Great with Ableton. You can simulate overdubbing by switching and recording on different tracks in Ableton live, although the midi controller mappings are not currently designed efficiently for this. The important functions for live looping on each track, namely arm/disarm, trigger/launch, stop and track-select, all have to be set _independently_ for each track. So, you'd need a separate midi controll event for each track's arm/disarm, etc. For working with 10 tracks, you need at least 30 controllers to be effective. Awkward for foot controllers! I have two ideas for a workaround: 1) my Yamaha MFC10 controller has a x10 button that puts all subsequent footswitch presses into another "bank" of sorts. I could assign the same footswitches to controllers on different channels and effectively switch between Ableton tracks by using the x10 switch to change controller banks on the foot controller. 2) Write a little midi input mapper that will map controller events to different channels, with the destination channel switchable via controller. So I'd have a footswitch to change the mapped channel and setup Ableton to responsd to different channel for each track. If you'd like more details let me know. Anyone have any other ideas? Still, I'd be happy to find something more versatile with Live. Something that allows easier overdubbing, better midi controller support. I looked a little at Reaktor, and the NI people sent me this link on using Reaktor for live looping (haven't read it yet myself): http://www.nativeinstruments.de/page.php?id=r3tutlive_us Cheers, Michael Stauffer michael@circular-logic.com www.circular-logic.com -----Original Message----- From: gsj3 [mailto:gsj32002@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 6:58 AM To: per@boysen.se Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives Dear Per, THANKS a lot for your quite informative answer. Its really interesting to hear various views and experiences, so I hope my posting gets some other quality responses. A couple questions: >All software lack "overdub layering sound-on-sound into a >spinning loop" features. The really promising one seems to be Ambiloop: http://www.evenfall.com/ambiloop/index.html Unfortunately, I have an old sound card for my desktop, so the latency is too slow to rythmic stuff. Also I have to do some MIDI mapping so I can control it without using my hands. This software is still developing, and seems that we should really encourage the developers! However, I think many of the software like Reaktor basically let you build your own instruments, and so developing looping applications should be possible. People seem to have done this with KYMA, but that software requires expensive external hardware to run. >"to cut in/out different note values to create rhythms" What do you mean by that? >Ableton Live is pretty close, but it is still lacking both "overdub/layering into a loop" and >"cutting note value slices out of/into a loop". So Ableton will let you capture the live audio and loop it (live), but then not overdub onto it? If not, can you just keep adding new tracks on the fly? Thanks again! Gregory ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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I'm=20 new to new looping myself, and am oriented towards software because I=20 work as a software developer, and not necessarily because it's = better for=20 looping. I agree with all the previously mentioned limits of Ableton = Live. That=20 said, I like the Live paradigm because I'm oriented mostly towards = looping more=20 traditional music elements that I play/record live along with live = percussion=20 and vocals. Ableton's clip editing features are nice (for me at = least) to=20 have visible in an intuitive way. ie you can see measure/beat counts and = easily=20 change loop durations and various envelopes on the fly, while a loop is = playing.=20 You can also have loops fire without syncing to the project tempo/beat. = Another=20 nice feature is the "scene" concept, in which multiple loops are = designated to=20 start/stop at the same time. It's very easy to arrange scenes on the fly = and=20 keep only some loops going from scene to scene while you add new=20 ones.
 
Ableton's got good realtime time-stretching (ie pitch = invariant) which is=20 great for what I'm working on. I don't know one way or the other if = hardware=20 loopers/repeaters do time-stretching.
 
I just=20 found out about a cool VST slicing/re-mixing plug-in that's really = great:=20 SupaTrigga (http://www.smartelectronix= .com/~bram/)=20 It slices up a loop and gives you several parameters for automatically=20 remixing the loop on the fly with random variations. It'll reverse = slices,=20 silence them, slow them down, etc. Great with = Ableton.
 
You=20 can simulate overdubbing by switching and recording on different tracks = in=20 Ableton live, although the midi controller mappings are not currently = designed=20 efficiently for this. The important functions for live looping on each = track,=20 namely arm/disarm, trigger/launch, stop and track-select, all have to be = set=20 _independently_ for each track. So, you'd need a separate midi controll = event=20 for each track's arm/disarm, etc. For working with 10 tracks, you need = at least=20 30 controllers to be effective. Awkward for foot controllers! I have two = ideas=20 for a workaround: 1) my Yamaha MFC10 controller has a x10 button = that puts=20 all subsequent footswitch presses into another "bank" of sorts. I=20 could assign the same footswitches to controllers on different = channels and=20 effectively switch between Ableton tracks by using the x10 switch = to change=20 controller banks on the foot controller. 2) Write a little midi input = mapper=20 that will map controller events to different channels, with the = destination=20 channel switchable via controller. So I'd have a footswitch to change = the mapped=20 channel and setup Ableton to responsd to different channel for each = track. If=20 you'd like more details let me know. Anyone have any other=20 ideas?
 
Still,=20 I'd be happy to find something more versatile with Live. Something that = allows=20 easier overdubbing, better midi controller support. I looked a = little at=20 Reaktor, and the NI people sent me this link on using Reaktor for live = looping=20 (haven't read it yet myself):

http:= //www.nativeinstruments.de/page.php?id=3Dr3tutlive_us

Cheers,
Michael=20 Stauffer
michael@circular-logic.com
www.circular-logic.com
 = ;
=20

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From: gsj3=20 [mailto:gsj32002@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 = 6:58=20 AM
To: per@boysen.se
Cc:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Using = computers as=20 a Live Looper - software alternatives

Dear Per,
 
THANKS a lot for your quite informative answer.  Its really=20 interesting to hear various views and experiences, so I hope my = posting=20 gets some other quality responses.
 
A couple questions:

>All software lack "overdub layering sound-on-sound into=20 a
>spinning loop" features.
 
The really promising one seems to be Ambiloop:
http://www.evenfall.= com/ambiloop/index.html
Unfortunately, I have an old sound card for my desktop, so the = latency is=20 too slow to rythmic stuff.  Also I have to do some MIDI mapping = so I can=20 control it without using my hands.  This software is still = developing,=20 and seems that we should really encourage the developers!
 
However, I think many of the software like Reaktor basically let = you=20 build your own instruments, and so developing looping applications = should be=20 possible.  People seem to have done this with KYMA, but that = software=20 requires expensive external hardware to run.
 
>"to cut in/out different note values to create rhythms"
 
What do you mean by that?
 
 
>Ableton Live is pretty close, but it is still lacking both=20 "overdub/layering into a loop" and >"cutting note value slices out = of/into=20 a loop".
So Ableton will let you capture the live audio and loop it = (live), but=20 then not overdub onto it?  If not, can you just keep adding new = tracks on=20 the fly?
 
Thanks again!
 
Gregory
 


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Yahoo! Hotjobs: Ente= r=20 the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01C3DF4E.DC705BA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 20 12:21:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0KHFCY00613; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:15:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:15:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00d001c3df2f$e0a6ca70$0207a8c0@Stephen> References: <1e9.17854e2f.2d3d7378@aol.com> <00d001c3df2f$e0a6ca70$0207a8c0@Stephen> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:08:50 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: asterion@hell.com Subject: Re: looper lunch Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:32 AM +0000 1/20/04, Steve Goodman wrote: >"attended" would imply that tix to this exclusive affair - NAMM, that is - >are now available to the general public as opposed to a select group of >folks. Has this changed since my departure from the US? Attendance is more tightly controlled than ever. In some cases security staff were checking photo IDs at the door. -- /| |\ \ \ / / < * * > ( o o ) A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 20 12:34:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0KHP7b02168; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:25:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:25:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:22:39 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: asterion@hell.com Subject: Re: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:04 PM +0000 1/20/04, Steve Goodman wrote: >Mmrksrg@aol.com submitted: > > >...Bidule (www.ploguebidule.com) is worth investigating as well for Win and >OsX and you can rewire it with Live. Think of it as Max/Msp but an easier >enviroment to grasp. > >The above doesn't resolve, and both plogue.bidule.com and bidule.com go only >to a domains-for-sale/search site. > http://www.plogue.com/bidule/ -- /| |\ \ \ / / < * * > ( o o ) A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 20 13:58:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0KIkco13536; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:46:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:46:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c3df86$1c262720$0207a8c0@Stephen> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <1e9.17854e2f.2d3d7378@aol.com> <00d001c3df2f$e0a6ca70$0207a8c0@Stephen> Subject: Re: looper lunch Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:49:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 17:08 PM Subject: Re: looper lunch > At 8:32 AM +0000 1/20/04, Steve Goodman wrote: > > >"attended" would imply that tix to this exclusive affair - NAMM, that is - > >are now available to the general public as opposed to a select group of > >folks. Has this changed since my departure from the US? > > Attendance is more tightly controlled than ever. In some cases > security staff were checking photo IDs at the door. > -- > /| |\ > \ \ / / > < * * > > ( o o ) > A I too like making cattle sounds in crowds, but hey! Isn't it a bit of a paradox? I mean, as the technology (and the freedom to create as well) spreads out beyond the formerly-firm grasp of the RIAA and their ilk, and into the hands of independent artists, NAMM gets more tightly-controlled... Hm. Steve Goodman * EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 20 14:08:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0KJ14517442; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:01:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:01:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c3df87$d4bf6d40$1c945142@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: Subject: Re: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:01:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi David... I'd be interested in checking the pdf out. I've become more intested in going the s/w route recently meself. Thanks, Miko. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 6:58 AM Subject: Re: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives > > btw, if anybody wants to see in more detail what Reaktor can do with > effects, routing, etc., I've written a 43-page, heavily illustrated pdf > tutorial for it. It's available to registered Reaktor users in the user > library, along with many working examples. But if you just want to read it, > I'll be glad to forward the pdf file... > dc > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 20 14:25:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0KJI2X20532; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:18:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:18:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: HarryEsq@aol.com Message-ID: <92.19952f4.2d3ed8d9@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:17:45 EST Subject: Re: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1074626265" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5006 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1074626265 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i'd also like to take a look at that pdf - much obliged, harry -------------------------------1074626265 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i'd also like to take a look at that p= df - much obliged, harry -------------------------------1074626265-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 20 14:50:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0KJXn022951; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:33:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:33:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200401201933.i0KJXnk22927@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:33:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3DF62.6A107B80" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcPfWlo1OK6+uFD2TfG52029fbGZ3QAMdKzg In-Reply-To: <1ea.179c904b.2d3e885a@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3DF62.6A107B80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I like this I need to try it out on a different machine but, this looks very good thus far. _____ From: Mmrksrg@aol.com [mailto:Mmrksrg@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 8:34 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives oops :) http://www.plogue.com/bidule/ ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3DF62.6A107B80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I like this I need to try it out on a different = machine=20 but, this looks very good thus far.


From: Mmrksrg@aol.com = [mailto:Mmrksrg@aol.com]=20
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oops :) = http://www.plogue.com/bidule/=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3DF62.6A107B80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 20 16:31:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0KLQXX09499; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:26:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:26:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: keller williams/howie day Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:26:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3DF9C.1180C5D0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3DF9C.1180C5D0 Content-Type: text/plain Yeah, I have read some recent Howie Day interviews and he has a full band right now. He was having a hard time keeping the attention of the audience and filling up big stadiums with a solo looping rig. Some reviewers even attested to that as well. Considering the fact that he made the cut and is in heavy rotation on the new MTVUniversity channel and is about to blow up big, he probably didn't want to risk disappointing audiences. Although he has also commented that a full band is giving him opportunities for sounds and textures and arrangements he could never get as a solo performer - though you always wonder if that is just saying what the kids want to hear. He sounds sincere though. I just got the Madrigals EP myself, and have watched that DVD about 20 times in the last two weeks. I just had it looping endlessly on my DVD player for a whole day one weekend. My 6 year old daughter loves it! Watching him do percussion on his guitar, and sound effects with his picks. . . . .pretty cool. There is a whole collection of articles on the Howie Day fan site, related to looping, tours, band, etc. (and some teenybopper mags) http://www.howiefan.com/Articles.php -DM _____ From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 4:42 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: keller williams/howie day had a chance to see howie day on letterman (?) last nite, not a pedal in site and i didn't notice any loopage, he was with 3 other players, i thought he would be solo.....got home and found 2 cd.s in the mailbox of keller williams playing at carnegie mellon uni. here in pittsburgh, more loops than you can shake a whale at, YIKES, fun music.....thank you gene, please send me your e-mail address.....i like keller's playing reminds me a little of tuck andres in his percussivenesss.....indeed, fun music.....michael ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3DF9C.1180C5D0 Content-Type: text/html
Yeah, I have read some recent Howie Day interviews and he has a full band right now. He was having a hard time keeping the attention of the audience and filling up big stadiums with a solo looping rig. Some reviewers even attested to that as well.
 
Considering the fact that he made the cut and is in heavy rotation on the new MTVUniversity channel and is about to blow up big, he probably didn't want to risk disappointing audiences.
 
Although he has also commented that a full band is giving him opportunities for sounds and textures and arrangements he could never get as a solo performer - though you always wonder if that is just saying what the kids want to hear. He sounds sincere though.
 
I just got the Madrigals EP myself, and have watched that DVD about 20 times in the last two weeks. I just had it looping endlessly on my DVD player for a whole day one weekend. My 6 year old daughter loves it! Watching him do percussion on his guitar, and sound effects with his picks. . . . .pretty cool.
 
There is a whole collection of articles on the Howie Day fan site, related to looping, tours, band, etc. (and some teenybopper mags)
 
 
 
 
-DM


From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 4:42 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: keller williams/howie day

had a chance to see howie day on letterman (?) last nite, not a pedal in site and i didn't notice any loopage, he was with 3 other players, i thought he would be solo.....got home and found 2 cd.s in the mailbox of keller williams playing at carnegie mellon uni. here in pittsburgh, more loops than you can shake a whale at, YIKES, fun music.....thank you gene, please send me your e-mail address.....i like keller's playing reminds me a little of tuck andres in his percussivenesss.....indeed, fun music.....michael
------_=_NextPart_001_01C3DF9C.1180C5D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 20 16:46:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0KLUHn10023; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:30:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:30:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <400D9C94.1241D3E6@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:24:36 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: CD Review Spam: "Normalized" reviewed by Ink 19 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Some good and some bad in this one, but if nothing else I get a huge grin out of the first sentence. ----------------------------------- Andre LaFosse Normalized Altruist Music http://www.ink19.com/issues/january2004/musicReviews/musicL/andreLafosse.html by Van Sias Hey, wait a minute. This doesn't sound like Tom Morello! Andre LaFosse refers to his musical style as "Turntable Guitar," so when I heard that, I automatically thought of the ex-Rage Against the Machine and current Audioslave guitarist who it seems can make any kind of sound with a six-string. But while Morello blends rock and hip-hop, LaFosse -- as evidenced on his second disc, Normalized -- wields his ax like a DJ manning the wheels of steel at your neighborhood techno club, which, I have to say, isn't always a good thing here. LaFosse's style is to take a guitar, his own ability and a digital looper to create these sounds. And while technically amazing -- getting behind the fact that someone is doing so much of this with a guitar is something else -- I feel that there are some holes in the disc music-wise, a lot of which can be traced to the love affair he has with electronic looping. Remember waaay back in the day when the needle on your old Fisher Price record player would get stuck on your Sesame Street album, and "C Is for Cookie" would keep repeating? That wasn't a fun experience. Or now, when a CD gets stuck. That sucks, right? I can handle it in small doses, but too much of it gets pretty irritating. Some tracks do have more of an organic feel, though, which I consider the stronger songs. "Deject" has bluesy riffs layered over the glitch-work. The title track, "Normalized," sounds pretty... normal, with stellar guitar work shining through. I do give credit to LaFosse for being a true artist; his ability to arrange using unconventional means can be likened to that of musical revolutionaries like Frank Zappa or Miles Davis. And I'll admit: I would check LaFosse out live to see how he makes this all come together. Hopefully, I'd be able to make it through the show. And I'll admit: I would check LaFosse out live to see how he makes this all come together. Hopefully, I'd be able to make it through the show. (See? Wasn't that irritating?) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 20 18:19:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0KNHUQ28297; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:17:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:17:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c3dfab$57538980$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <400D9C94.1241D3E6@earthlink.net> Subject: Ink 19 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:15:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow. Ink19! I remembered being pretty pleased with the review that my punk band received from them, so I looked it up. http://www.ink19.com/issues_F/98_07/wet_ink/music_ab/010_bickley_nf.html (Different reviewer than Andre's review, obviously. Wonder what would happen if we switched reviewers?) :) Something about the juxtapostion of being reminded of this, on this list, by Andre LaFosse no less, made me want to post it here. In some ways, it's sort of a musical confession... yes, the guy who loves guitar-based looping also loves punk, and played in a really low-brow, in your face sorta punk band. I guess in some ways, that review is one I'm proud of, and I'm just showing off! (Don't) forgive me! :) Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 20 18:42:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0KNUxO30179; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:30:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:30:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:31:00 -0700 Message-Id: <200401202331.i0KNV0H19470@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Sayonara X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.20.223 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Time to say goodbye. Thanks for five years of G.A.S. and looping addictions. unsubscribe Kevin How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 20 18:42:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0KNYG330817; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:34:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:34:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: Sayonara Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:34:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <200401202331.i0KNV0H19470@minds-eye.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Thread-Index: AcPfrYRk3A+F8/lLQt6ZhmvN7TMwswAAEeTg Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: <-MNeM.A.YhH.4rbDAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You've been here for 5 years and haven't figured out how to properly unsubscribe? :-) -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Cheli-Colando [mailto:kevin@minds-eye.org] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 3:31 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Sayonara Time to say goodbye. Thanks for five years of G.A.S. and looping addictions. unsubscribe Kevin How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 20 18:43:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0KNdhT32097; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:39:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:39:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:39:45 -0700 Message-Id: <200401202339.i0KNdjY24523@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: RE: Sayonara X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.20.223 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > You've been here for 5 years and haven't figured out how to properly > unsubscribe? :-) I knew that would get people. It was a joke (the unsubscribe part, not goodbye). > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Cheli-Colando [mailto:kevin@minds-eye.org] > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 3:31 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Sayonara > > Time to say goodbye. > > Thanks for five years of G.A.S. and looping addictions. > > unsubscribe > > Kevin > > > How amazing, how amazing! > Hard to comprehend that > Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. > It simply cannot be heard with the ear, > But when sound is heard with the eye, > Then it is understood. > - Tung-shan (807-869) > > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > > > > > > How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 20 18:47:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0KNhDH00746; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:43:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:43:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: Sayonara Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:43:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <200401202337.i0KNbRr23097@minds-eye.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Thread-Index: AcPfrluQljaumCK7Qt+iTe2MCAcChgAAMXsw Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So was mine - hence the beaker smiley face after my post -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Cheli-Colando [mailto:kevin@minds-eye.org] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 3:37 PM To: squidloop@thetentacle.org Subject: RE: Sayonara > You've been here for 5 years and haven't figured out how to properly > unsubscribe? :-) > > I knew that would get people. It was a joke (the unsubscribe part, not goodbye). > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Cheli-Colando [mailto:kevin@minds-eye.org] > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 3:31 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Sayonara > > Time to say goodbye. > > Thanks for five years of G.A.S. and looping addictions. > > unsubscribe > > Kevin > > > How amazing, how amazing! > Hard to comprehend that > Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. > It simply cannot be heard with the ear, > But when sound is heard with the eye, > Then it is understood. > - Tung-shan (807-869) > > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > > > > > > How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 20 19:00:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0KNu8202756; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:56:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:56:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006201c3dfb1$44e994f0$0200a8c0@waggy> From: "Tias" To: References: <20040120071741.94271.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:58:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005F_01C3DFB9.A6217460" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C3DFB9.A6217460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gentlemen! ;) (i'm answering the mail that started the discussion for = convenience sake) In light of the recent discussion, i'm gonna pop up my head yet again to = remind you all that there is a in fact a VST-plugin in the making that = is aimed solely at LiveLooping. And it will be offered right here on the = list for beta-testing. =3D) Basic functionality right now is: -BPM Synced to VST Host -Play Loop / Record new Loop-length -Quantized Recording at 1/1, 1/2, 1/4 & 1/8 (will implement unquantized = recording also) -Feedback 0-100% -24seconds looplength (thinking of making this longer. Maybe = configurable?) (And last but not least) -Overdubbing in both Play Loop and Record Loop-Length Mode This is all working right now, but i have some tiny buggs to work out of = the Alpha-version and it's only developed with tests run in Ableton = Live, but it's been successfull yet. Now i'm just trying to figure out a = good user-interface that make sense when playing live without taking up = too much screenspace. Loades of other features is cooking in my head but there's just so much = time that i have to code on this little sucker, but beeing an aspiring = live-looper myself having my whole rig softwarebased this will be the = most important part of my rig. And hopefully it will be good enough that = someone actually would like to pay for the plugin (not with your blood = though) so i can spend some more time developing it further. (note, that = is just wishfull thinking from my side since my real job isn't really = going that well.) I'm hoping on having a first beta ready in a week or two. And do not = worry, i'm keeping my eyes and ears open for all suggestions that pop up = on the list. ;) /Mattias Nord in the cold cold cold Stockholm of Sweden. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: gsj3=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 8:17 AM Subject: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives I am a guitarist, and somewhat new to looping. In looking for tools = to loop live, I am struck that most hardware loopers (e.g. EDP, = Boomerang, RC-20, Gigaedelay) each have their limitations. And some = great ones like Repeater have disappeared. In principle, a software = based system could combine the "best of" various hadware setups such as = sync to a MIDI tempo (like Repeater or EDP), have multiple loops = simultaneously (repeater), operating like a delay where loops ca fade = (boomerang). =20 Who out there are using computer software to loop live audio? I am = particularly interested on hearing from guitarists using MIDI foot = controllers to control these systems. The loopers delight page mentions = several systems, but no reviews exist on this site: a.. Sonic Foundry Acid =20 b.. Steim LiSa=20 c.. Audiomulch=20 d.. Cycling '74 Max/MSP=20 e.. Native-Instruments Reaktor=20 f.. Ableton Live=20 g.. Cycling '74 Radial=20 plus a new dedicated loop software!... a.. http://www.evenfall.com/ambiloop/index.html Is anybody using these or other systems? I would be interested to = hear about peoples set ups. Gregory http://listen.to/gregory.jackson -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C3DFB9.A6217460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gentlemen! ;) (i'm answering the mail = that started=20 the discussion for convenience sake)
 
In light of the recent discussion, i'm = gonna pop up=20 my head yet again to remind you all that there is a in fact a VST-plugin = in the=20 making that is aimed solely at LiveLooping. And it will be offered right = here on=20 the list for beta-testing. =3D)
 
Basic functionality right now = is:
-BPM Synced to VST Host
-Play Loop / Record new = Loop-length
-Quantized Recording at 1/1, 1/2, 1/4=20 & 1/8 (will implement unquantized recording also)
-Feedback 0-100%
-24seconds looplength (thinking of = making this=20 longer. Maybe configurable?)
(And last but not least)
-Overdubbing in both Play Loop and = Record=20 Loop-Length Mode
 
This is all working right now, but i = have some tiny=20 buggs to work out of the Alpha-version and it's only developed with = tests run in=20 Ableton Live, but it's been successfull yet. Now i'm just trying to = figure out a=20 good user-interface that make sense when playing live without taking up = too much=20 screenspace.
 
Loades of other features is cooking in my head but there's just so = much=20 time that i have to code on this little sucker, but beeing an aspiring=20 live-looper myself having my whole rig softwarebased this will be the = most=20 important part of my rig. And hopefully it will be good enough that = someone=20 actually would like to pay for the plugin (not with your blood though) = so i can=20 spend some more time developing it further. (note, that is just wishfull = thinking from my side since my real job isn't really going that=20 well.)
 
I'm hoping on having a first beta ready = in a week=20 or two. And do not worry, i'm keeping my eyes and ears open for all = suggestions=20 that pop up on the list. ;)
 
/Mattias Nord in the cold cold cold = Stockholm of=20 Sweden.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 gsj3
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 = 8:17=20 AM
Subject: Using computers as a = Live Looper=20 - software alternatives

I am a guitarist, and somewhat new to looping.  In looking = for tools=20 to loop live, I am struck that most hardware loopers (e.g. EDP, = Boomerang,=20 RC-20, Gigaedelay) each have their limitations.  And some great = ones like=20 Repeater have disappeared.  In principle, a software based system = could=20 combine the "best of" various hadware setups such as sync to a = MIDI tempo=20 (like Repeater or EDP), have multiple loops simultaneously (repeater), = operating like a delay where loops ca fade (boomerang).  =
 
Who out there are using computer software to loop live = audio?  I am=20 particularly interested on hearing from guitarists using MIDI foot = controllers=20 to control these systems.  The loopers delight page mentions = several=20 systems, but no reviews exist on this site:

plus a new dedicated loop software!...

  • http://www.evenfall.= com/ambiloop/index.html

Is anybody using these or other systems?  I would be = interested to=20 hear about peoples set ups.

Gregory

http://listen.to/gregory.jackson


Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Hotjobs: Ente= r=20 the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C3DFB9.A6217460-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 20 19:59:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0L0rd012288; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:53:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:53:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040121005337.73024.qmail@web20415.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:53:37 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Subject: my 2 cents: digi-delay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well, my digi-delay arrived today. played around w/ it briefly, thoughts: if you are looking for a 1st/intro looper/delay device (or 2nd option which i was), this is a good one. has delays, and a 4 sec. sample/loop function that works nicely. i really love messing w/ the tape delay mode, and getting the wacky sounds w/ modulating the time by hand (long to short, short to long, and in tape delay it's only a second, but still fun). the backwards thing worked ok also, not "wow", but ok. i'll be (hopefully) hooking it up to my rack system, in my studio reorganization, and see how it works. the bummer thing for me is i'm a "tweeker" and like things to be "at hand" and the sample/play is foot controled (which is nice on one hand, for me....oh well). it's not the "uber -looper", but a good inexpensive alternative or intro for newbie.. the short delays don't wow me all that much since i rely on rack stuff to get those, but they are ok. my only wish is that the time was a bit longer (4 sec max, the reverse supposedly has 8 sec), to maybe compete w/ digitech's old 8 second delay device that was the "poor man's" E-H 16 sec device, but i suspect that most who buy it, 4 sec. is plenty for them, and they probably use it only as a "echo" option. my 2 cents for the day.... s---- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 20 20:03:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0L0pHL11971; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:51:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:51:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.108.190.114] X-Originating-Email: [wolfereeno@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wolfereeno@hotmail.com From: "wolfereeno" To: Subject: Midi based looping? Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:51:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01C3DF8E.BB3441A0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcPfkBxTpl8KRDdCS+6u3cJNOwXayAAJ610w In-Reply-To: <200401201950.i0KJoLv25110@hemlock.violacea.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jan 2004 00:51:11.0605 (UTC) FILETIME=[AA06BA50:01C3DFB8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C3DF8E.BB3441A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm an electronic drummer and years ago I had a Roland TD7 module that had a great feature that's pretty much like the hardware loopers we use. (I own a repeater) Press the footswitch and it goes into record ready mode. Start playing and it records. Press again and it starts looping. Then you can play over it or tap pedal to add additional layers. Simple but really useful with electronic drums. But all in the MIDI domain. The newer TD10 module doesn't do it. The drumkat does it but in a limited way that's useless - you have to define how many measures and set tempo in advance.... Anyone see something, say a drum machine, groove box, or small rack mountable thing that does this? Any software that's good at this? Thanks -Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C3DF8E.BB3441A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm an=20 electronic drummer and years ago I had a Roland TD7 module that had a = great=20 feature that's pretty much like the hardware loopers we use.  (I = own a=20 repeater)
 
Press=20 the footswitch and it goes into record ready mode.  Start playing = and it=20 records.  Press again and it starts looping.  Then you can = play over=20 it or tap pedal to add additional layers.  Simple but really useful = with=20 electronic drums.  But all in the MIDI domain.   The = newer TD10=20 module doesn't do it.  The drumkat does it but in a limited = way that's=20 useless - you have to define how many measures and set tempo in=20 advance....
 
Anyone=20 see something, say a drum machine, groove box, or small rack mountable = thing=20 that does this?  Any software that's good at = this?

Thanks
 -Bill=
 
------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C3DF8E.BB3441A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 20 20:17:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0L1BMB16540; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:11:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:11:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009801c3dfcc$80ea0a50$0200a8c0@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <20040120071741.94271.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> <006201c3dfb1$44e994f0$0200a8c0@waggy> Subject: Re: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:13:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0095_01C3DF91.D43A5330" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <17GXn.A.SCE.6GdDAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C3DF91.D43A5330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don't forget that Linux emulation of the Echoplex Digital Pro, called = Sooperlooper. =20 http://essej.net/sooperlooper/ Still trying to get a machine together to try this thing out. = Unfortunately, it is modeled on LoopIII, not LoopIV. Still, an = invaluble tool for some, perhaps. =20 Maybe someday an Echoplex Digital Pro II will come as bytes on a CD-ROM, = support multi-channel intput/output and VSTi, DXi, AudioUnit, blah blah = blah. Somebody get to writin'! Woohoo. =20 -Jesse (not the Jesse who wrote this plugin, unfortunately) ------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C3DF91.D43A5330 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Don't forget that Linux emulation of = the Echoplex=20 Digital Pro, called Sooperlooper. 
 
http://essej.net/sooperlooper/
 
Still trying to get a machine together = to try this=20 thing out.  Unfortunately, it is modeled on LoopIII, not = LoopIV. =20 Still, an invaluble tool for some, perhaps. 
 
Maybe someday an Echoplex Digital Pro = II will come=20 as bytes on a CD-ROM, support multi-channel intput/output and VSTi, DXi, = AudioUnit,  blah blah blah.  Somebody get to writin'! =20 Woohoo. 
 
-Jesse (not the Jesse who wrote this = plugin,=20 unfortunately)
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C3DF91.D43A5330-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 20 20:41:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0L1cg620247; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:38:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:38:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003f01c3dfbf$0de0f4e0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <20040120071741.94271.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> <006201c3dfb1$44e994f0$0200a8c0@waggy> Subject: Re: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:36:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003A_01C3DF8C.BFBDAC40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C3DF8C.BFBDAC40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bring it on, Tias! I, for one, will try it out. I'm still looking for a simple but = powerful software loopng tool that really compliments my approach to my = current loopers (EDPs). This sounds close. Will your quantize functions use other time divisions? ie. 3/4, 5/4, = 11/8, etc? Looking forward to you posting a link. ;) Doug ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tias=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 5:58 PM Subject: Re: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives Gentlemen! ;) (i'm answering the mail that started the discussion for = convenience sake) In light of the recent discussion, i'm gonna pop up my head yet again = to remind you all that there is a in fact a VST-plugin in the making = that is aimed solely at LiveLooping. And it will be offered right here = on the list for beta-testing. =3D) Basic functionality right now is: -BPM Synced to VST Host -Play Loop / Record new Loop-length -Quantized Recording at 1/1, 1/2, 1/4 & 1/8 (will implement = unquantized recording also) -Feedback 0-100% -24seconds looplength (thinking of making this longer. Maybe = configurable?) (And last but not least) -Overdubbing in both Play Loop and Record Loop-Length Mode This is all working right now, but i have some tiny buggs to work out = of the Alpha-version and it's only developed with tests run in Ableton = Live, but it's been successfull yet. Now i'm just trying to figure out a = good user-interface that make sense when playing live without taking up = too much screenspace. Loades of other features is cooking in my head but there's just so = much time that i have to code on this little sucker, but beeing an = aspiring live-looper myself having my whole rig softwarebased this will = be the most important part of my rig. And hopefully it will be good = enough that someone actually would like to pay for the plugin (not with = your blood though) so i can spend some more time developing it further. = (note, that is just wishfull thinking from my side since my real job = isn't really going that well.) I'm hoping on having a first beta ready in a week or two. And do not = worry, i'm keeping my eyes and ears open for all suggestions that pop up = on the list. ;) /Mattias Nord in the cold cold cold Stockholm of Sweden. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: gsj3=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 8:17 AM Subject: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives I am a guitarist, and somewhat new to looping. In looking for tools = to loop live, I am struck that most hardware loopers (e.g. EDP, = Boomerang, RC-20, Gigaedelay) each have their limitations. And some = great ones like Repeater have disappeared. In principle, a software = based system could combine the "best of" various hadware setups such as = sync to a MIDI tempo (like Repeater or EDP), have multiple loops = simultaneously (repeater), operating like a delay where loops ca fade = (boomerang). =20 Who out there are using computer software to loop live audio? I am = particularly interested on hearing from guitarists using MIDI foot = controllers to control these systems. The loopers delight page mentions = several systems, but no reviews exist on this site: a.. Sonic Foundry Acid =20 b.. Steim LiSa=20 c.. Audiomulch=20 d.. Cycling '74 Max/MSP=20 e.. Native-Instruments Reaktor=20 f.. Ableton Live=20 g.. Cycling '74 Radial=20 plus a new dedicated loop software!... a.. http://www.evenfall.com/ambiloop/index.html Is anybody using these or other systems? I would be interested to = hear about peoples set ups. Gregory http://listen.to/gregory.jackson -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C3DF8C.BFBDAC40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bring it on, Tias!
 
I, for one, will try it out.  I'm = still=20 looking for a simple but powerful software loopng tool that=20 really compliments my approach to my current loopers (EDPs).  = This=20 sounds close.
 
Will your quantize functions use other = time=20 divisions?  ie. 3/4, 5/4, 11/8, etc?
 
Looking forward to you posting a link.=20 ;)
 
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tias =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 = 5:58=20 PM
Subject: Re: Using computers as = a Live=20 Looper - software alternatives

Gentlemen! ;) (i'm answering the mail = that=20 started the discussion for convenience sake)
 
In light of the recent discussion, = i'm gonna pop=20 up my head yet again to remind you all that there is a in fact a = VST-plugin in=20 the making that is aimed solely at LiveLooping. And it will be offered = right=20 here on the list for beta-testing. =3D)
 
Basic functionality right now = is:
-BPM Synced to VST Host
-Play Loop / Record new = Loop-length
-Quantized Recording at 1/1, 1/2, 1/4 = & 1/8 (will implement unquantized recording = also)
-Feedback 0-100%
-24seconds looplength (thinking of = making this=20 longer. Maybe configurable?)
(And last but not least)
-Overdubbing in both Play Loop and = Record=20 Loop-Length Mode
 
This is all working right now, but i = have some=20 tiny buggs to work out of the Alpha-version and it's only developed = with tests=20 run in Ableton Live, but it's been successfull yet. Now i'm just = trying to=20 figure out a good user-interface that make sense when playing live = without=20 taking up too much screenspace.
 
Loades of other features is cooking in my head but there's just = so much=20 time that i have to code on this little sucker, but beeing an aspiring = live-looper myself having my whole rig softwarebased this will be the = most=20 important part of my rig. And hopefully it will be good enough that = someone=20 actually would like to pay for the plugin (not with your blood though) = so i=20 can spend some more time developing it further. (note, that is just = wishfull=20 thinking from my side since my real job isn't really going that=20 well.)
 
I'm hoping on having a first beta = ready in a week=20 or two. And do not worry, i'm keeping my eyes and ears open for all=20 suggestions that pop up on the list. ;)
 
/Mattias Nord in the cold cold cold = Stockholm of=20 Sweden.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 gsj3
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, = 2004 8:17=20 AM
Subject: Using computers as a = Live=20 Looper - software alternatives

I am a guitarist, and somewhat new to looping.  In looking = for=20 tools to loop live, I am struck that most hardware loopers (e.g. = EDP,=20 Boomerang, RC-20, Gigaedelay) each have their limitations.  And = some=20 great ones like Repeater have disappeared.  In principle, a = software=20 based system could combine the "best of" various hadware = setups such as=20 sync to a MIDI tempo (like Repeater or EDP), have multiple loops=20 simultaneously (repeater), operating like a delay where loops = ca fade=20 (boomerang). 
 
Who out there are using computer software to loop live = audio?  I=20 am particularly interested on hearing from guitarists using MIDI = foot=20 controllers to control these systems.  The loopers delight page = mentions several systems, but no reviews exist on this site:

plus a new dedicated loop software!...

  • http://www.evenfall.= com/ambiloop/index.html

Is anybody using these or other systems?  I would be = interested to=20 hear about peoples set ups.

Gregory

http://listen.to/gregory.jackson


Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Hotjobs: Ente= r=20 the "Signing Bonus" = Sweepstakes
------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C3DF8C.BFBDAC40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 20 21:18:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0L2EYx26364; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 21:14:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 21:14:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009d01c3dfc4$51a44510$0601a8c0@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: References: <200401210103.i0L13dZ15200@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: INK review of Andre's new CD Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:14:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just read the ink review of Andre's new CD. Wow, to be compared in one breath with Frank Zappa and Miles Davis and then to say that the stutter techniques of the CD are very irritating makes me think the reviewer is not very sophisticated. What a schizophrenic review. Take the comparison to Frank Zappa and Miles to heart, 'Dre and completely let go of the other ridiculousness. You are doing very important work, artistically. Hope your tour is proceeding swimmingly yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 20 23:16:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0L4BpV11562; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 23:11:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 23:11:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Michael Stauffer" To: "Tias" , Subject: RE: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 23:14:05 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C3DFAB.195972C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <006201c3dfb1$44e994f0$0200a8c0@waggy> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C3DFAB.195972C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds great! I'd be happy to try and alpha-test. What do you mean by "-Quantized Recording at 1/1, 1/2, 1/4 & 1/8 (will implement unquantized recording also)"? Does this mean that record in/out is quantized at these beat boundaries? measure boundaries? arbitrary time interval boundaries? My $0.02 of suggestions: - quantization boundaries of multiple measures possible. - loop length limited only by RAM and disk space - have record punch in/out optionally take effect on quantization boundaries as in Ableton. ie so you can hit the rec in/out controller before the quantization boundary for accurate timing at the boundary. - option to record for fixed duration, ie auto punch-out after some quantization interval - flexible midi controller mapping HTH, Michael -----Original Message----- From: Tias [mailto:tias@condomo.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 6:58 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives Gentlemen! ;) (i'm answering the mail that started the discussion for convenience sake) In light of the recent discussion, i'm gonna pop up my head yet again to remind you all that there is a in fact a VST-plugin in the making that is aimed solely at LiveLooping. And it will be offered right here on the list for beta-testing. =) Basic functionality right now is: -BPM Synced to VST Host -Play Loop / Record new Loop-length -Quantized Recording at 1/1, 1/2, 1/4 & 1/8 (will implement unquantized recording also) -Feedback 0-100% -24seconds looplength (thinking of making this longer. Maybe configurable?) (And last but not least) -Overdubbing in both Play Loop and Record Loop-Length Mode This is all working right now, but i have some tiny buggs to work out of the Alpha-version and it's only developed with tests run in Ableton Live, but it's been successfull yet. Now i'm just trying to figure out a good user-interface that make sense when playing live without taking up too much screenspace. Loades of other features is cooking in my head but there's just so much time that i have to code on this little sucker, but beeing an aspiring live-looper myself having my whole rig softwarebased this will be the most important part of my rig. And hopefully it will be good enough that someone actually would like to pay for the plugin (not with your blood though) so i can spend some more time developing it further. (note, that is just wishfull thinking from my side since my real job isn't really going that well.) I'm hoping on having a first beta ready in a week or two. And do not worry, i'm keeping my eyes and ears open for all suggestions that pop up on the list. ;) /Mattias Nord in the cold cold cold Stockholm of Sweden. ----- Original Message ----- From: gsj3 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 8:17 AM Subject: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives I am a guitarist, and somewhat new to looping. In looking for tools to loop live, I am struck that most hardware loopers (e.g. EDP, Boomerang, RC-20, Gigaedelay) each have their limitations. And some great ones like Repeater have disappeared. In principle, a software based system could combine the "best of" various hadware setups such as sync to a MIDI tempo (like Repeater or EDP), have multiple loops simultaneously (repeater), operating like a delay where loops ca fade (boomerang). Who out there are using computer software to loop live audio? I am particularly interested on hearing from guitarists using MIDI foot controllers to control these systems. The loopers delight page mentions several systems, but no reviews exist on this site: a.. Sonic Foundry Acid b.. Steim LiSa c.. Audiomulch d.. Cycling '74 Max/MSP e.. Native-Instruments Reaktor f.. Ableton Live g.. Cycling '74 Radial plus a new dedicated loop software!... a.. http://www.evenfall.com/ambiloop/index.html Is anybody using these or other systems? I would be interested to hear about peoples set ups. Gregory http://listen.to/gregory.jackson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes ------=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C3DFAB.195972C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sounds=20 great! I'd be happy to try and alpha-test.
 
What do you mean by
"-Quantized=20 Recording at 1/1, 1/2, 1/4 & 1/8 (will implement unquantized = recording=20 also)"?
Does = this mean that=20 record in/out is quantized at these beat boundaries? measure boundaries? = arbitrary time interval=20 boundaries?
 
My=20 $0.02 of suggestions:
-=20 quantization boundaries of multiple measures = possible.
- loop=20 length limited only by RAM and disk space
- have=20 record punch in/out optionally take effect on quantization boundaries as = in=20 Ableton. ie so you can hit the rec in/out controller before the = quantization=20 boundary for accurate timing at the boundary.
-=20 option to record for fixed duration, ie auto punch-out after some = quantization=20 interval
-=20 flexible midi controller mapping
 
HTH,
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: Tias=20 [mailto:tias@condomo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 = 6:58=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 Using computers as a Live Looper - software = alternatives

Gentlemen! ;) (i'm answering the mail = that=20 started the discussion for convenience sake)
 
In light of the recent discussion, = i'm gonna pop=20 up my head yet again to remind you all that there is a in fact a = VST-plugin in=20 the making that is aimed solely at LiveLooping. And it will be offered = right=20 here on the list for beta-testing. =3D)
 
Basic functionality right now = is:
-BPM Synced to VST Host
-Play Loop / Record new = Loop-length
-Quantized Recording at 1/1, 1/2, 1/4 = & 1/8 (will implement unquantized recording = also)
-Feedback 0-100%
-24seconds looplength (thinking of = making this=20 longer. Maybe configurable?)
(And last but not least)
-Overdubbing in both Play Loop and = Record=20 Loop-Length Mode
 
This is all working right now, but i = have some=20 tiny buggs to work out of the Alpha-version and it's only developed = with tests=20 run in Ableton Live, but it's been successfull yet. Now i'm just = trying to=20 figure out a good user-interface that make sense when playing live = without=20 taking up too much screenspace.
 
Loades of other features is cooking in my head but there's just = so much=20 time that i have to code on this little sucker, but beeing an aspiring = live-looper myself having my whole rig softwarebased this will be the = most=20 important part of my rig. And hopefully it will be good enough that = someone=20 actually would like to pay for the plugin (not with your blood though) = so i=20 can spend some more time developing it further. (note, that is just = wishfull=20 thinking from my side since my real job isn't really going that=20 well.)
 
I'm hoping on having a first beta = ready in a week=20 or two. And do not worry, i'm keeping my eyes and ears open for all=20 suggestions that pop up on the list. ;)
 
/Mattias Nord in the cold cold cold = Stockholm of=20 Sweden.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 gsj3
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, = 2004 8:17=20 AM
Subject: Using computers as a = Live=20 Looper - software alternatives

I am a guitarist, and somewhat new to looping.  In looking = for=20 tools to loop live, I am struck that most hardware loopers (e.g. = EDP,=20 Boomerang, RC-20, Gigaedelay) each have their limitations.  And = some=20 great ones like Repeater have disappeared.  In principle, a = software=20 based system could combine the "best of" various hadware = setups such as=20 sync to a MIDI tempo (like Repeater or EDP), have multiple loops=20 simultaneously (repeater), operating like a delay where loops = ca fade=20 (boomerang). 
 
Who out there are using computer software to loop live = audio?  I=20 am particularly interested on hearing from guitarists using MIDI = foot=20 controllers to control these systems.  The loopers delight page = mentions several systems, but no reviews exist on this site:

plus a new dedicated loop software!...

  • http://www.evenfall.= com/ambiloop/index.html

Is anybody using these or other systems?  I would be = interested to=20 hear about peoples set ups.

Gregory

http://listen.to/gregory.jackson


Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Hotjobs: Ente= r=20 the "Signing Bonus" = Sweepstakes ------=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C3DFAB.195972C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 20 23:54:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0L4q3x17960; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 23:52:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 23:52:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040121045202.76788.qmail@web13011.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:52:02 -0800 (PST) From: gsj3 Subject: Re: Midi based looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-617683052-1074660722=:76274" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-617683052-1074660722=:76274 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have a Roland Handsonic and was also disappointed in the lack of looping. It has an internal sequencer and you can record additional layers one the fly....but then it has to STOP playing to save it into the memory. Also, as you say, the bars and tempo are specified in advance. So while you can make loops and play them back, this makes it useless for creating new loops in a live setting. However, I think the newer Drumkat brains work better than you mentioned. My old drumkat worked by hitting a pad to start/stop recording (which is great), but was limited in the amount of data it could hold... so the loop had to be very short. I would check the capabilities of their newest Drumkat brains to see how this has evolved. GJ wolfereeno wrote: I'm an electronic drummer and years ago I had a Roland TD7 module that had a great feature that's pretty much like the hardware loopers we use. (I own a repeater) Press the footswitch and it goes into record ready mode. Start playing and it records. Press again and it starts looping. Then you can play over it or tap pedal to add additional layers. Simple but really useful with electronic drums. But all in the MIDI domain. The newer TD10 module doesn't do it. The drumkat does it but in a limited way that's useless - you have to define how many measures and set tempo in advance.... Anyone see something, say a drum machine, groove box, or small rack mountable thing that does this? Any software that's good at this? Thanks -Bill --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes --0-617683052-1074660722=:76274 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I have a Roland Handsonic and was also disappointed in the lack of looping.  It has an internal sequencer and you can record additional layers one the fly....but then it has to STOP playing to save it into the memory.  Also, as you say, the bars and tempo are specified in advance.  So while you can make loops and play them back, this makes it useless for creating new loops in a live setting.
 
However, I think the newer Drumkat brains work better than you mentioned.  My old drumkat worked by hitting a pad to start/stop recording (which is great), but was limited in the amount of data it could hold...  so the loop had to be very short.  I would check the capabilities of their newest Drumkat brains to see how this has evolved.
 
GJ

wolfereeno <wolfereeno@hotmail.com> wrote:
I'm an electronic drummer and years ago I had a Roland TD7 module that had a great feature that's pretty much like the hardware loopers we use.  (I own a repeater)
 
Press the footswitch and it goes into record ready mode.  Start playing and it records.  Press again and it starts looping.  Then you can play over it or tap pedal to add additional layers.  Simple but really useful with electronic drums.  But all in the MIDI domain.   The newer TD10 module doesn't do it.  The drumkat does it but in a limited way that's useless - you have to define how many measures and set tempo in advance....
 
Anyone see something, say a drum machine, groove box, or small rack mountable thing that does this?  Any software that's good at this?

Thanks
 -Bill
 


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Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes --0-617683052-1074660722=:76274-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 21 02:35:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0L7Vv307132; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 02:31:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 02:31:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <400D9C94.1241D3E6@earthlink.net> References: <400D9C94.1241D3E6@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 01:31:24 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: OT: WTB... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If anyone happens to have a Lovetone Ring Stinger, ? Flanger, or a Wobulator they'd ponder selling, could ya email me off list? Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 21 02:39:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0L7Zxb07781; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 02:35:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 02:35:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Ztar Looping Sequencer ( was Midi based looping) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 23:35:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20040121045202.76788.qmail@web13011.mail.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcPf2lsNAJ5+6JxhRImZzIHSFvJONQAFdU9Q X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <0ISG9D.A.Z5B.fviDAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am just starting to explore the sequencer in the Ztar (starrlabs.com) but here's what I know so far . . . You can assign all functions to the trigger pads which can be operated from note on information present at the MIDI In port, allowing external control. And it's a looper, all right--and it waits for the first note to begin recording. I don't think the layering function is quite there yet, but it can be set to repeat a fixed number of times or continuously. And it records everything you are playing on the neck of th Ztar (a guitar like MIDI controller). Oh, and Mike LaMeyer, the doubleneck is almost finished and looks great! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 21 02:40:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0L7bIi07932; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 02:37:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 02:37:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003901c3dff1$b26965b0$0200a8c0@waggy> From: "Tias" To: References: Subject: Re: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:39:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01C3DFFA.10FDC370" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C3DFFA.10FDC370 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry Michael, i should have been more clear on that one. Indeed it is working the way you suggested: - have record punch in/out optionally take effect on quantization = boundaries as in Ableton. ie so you can hit the rec in/out controller = before the quantization boundary for accurate timing at the boundary. So if the quantize is set to 1/4, then the plugin will at the moment = wait untill it has reached the oncoming 1/4 after the end of the loop = and then start to record a new looplength, just as in ableton live. This = meaning that if you have a loop that is 16 * 1/4:ths long (4 bars long i = guess) then it would wait until it comes to the next loop-point before = going into "Record Loop Length". You see, the plugin is always in overdub-mode. The record-mode is just = to define a new looplength, not for recording multiple-layers of loops, = the latter part (multi-layered loops) will be a future feature though. = ;) /Mattias ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael Stauffer=20 To: Tias ; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 5:14 AM Subject: RE: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives Sounds great! I'd be happy to try and alpha-test. What do you mean by=20 "-Quantized Recording at 1/1, 1/2, 1/4 & 1/8 (will implement = unquantized recording also)"? Does this mean that record in/out is quantized at these beat = boundaries? measure boundaries? arbitrary time interval boundaries? My $0.02 of suggestions: - quantization boundaries of multiple measures possible. - loop length limited only by RAM and disk space - have record punch in/out optionally take effect on quantization = boundaries as in Ableton. ie so you can hit the rec in/out controller = before the quantization boundary for accurate timing at the boundary. - option to record for fixed duration, ie auto punch-out after some = quantization interval - flexible midi controller mapping HTH, Michael -----Original Message----- From: Tias [mailto:tias@condomo.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 6:58 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Using computers as a Live Looper - software = alternatives Gentlemen! ;) (i'm answering the mail that started the discussion = for convenience sake) In light of the recent discussion, i'm gonna pop up my head yet = again to remind you all that there is a in fact a VST-plugin in the = making that is aimed solely at LiveLooping. And it will be offered right = here on the list for beta-testing. =3D) Basic functionality right now is: -BPM Synced to VST Host -Play Loop / Record new Loop-length -Quantized Recording at 1/1, 1/2, 1/4 & 1/8 (will implement = unquantized recording also) -Feedback 0-100% -24seconds looplength (thinking of making this longer. Maybe = configurable?) (And last but not least) -Overdubbing in both Play Loop and Record Loop-Length Mode This is all working right now, but i have some tiny buggs to work = out of the Alpha-version and it's only developed with tests run in = Ableton Live, but it's been successfull yet. Now i'm just trying to = figure out a good user-interface that make sense when playing live = without taking up too much screenspace. Loades of other features is cooking in my head but there's just so = much time that i have to code on this little sucker, but beeing an = aspiring live-looper myself having my whole rig softwarebased this will = be the most important part of my rig. And hopefully it will be good = enough that someone actually would like to pay for the plugin (not with = your blood though) so i can spend some more time developing it further. = (note, that is just wishfull thinking from my side since my real job = isn't really going that well.) I'm hoping on having a first beta ready in a week or two. And do not = worry, i'm keeping my eyes and ears open for all suggestions that pop up = on the list. ;) /Mattias Nord in the cold cold cold Stockholm of Sweden. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: gsj3=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 8:17 AM Subject: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives I am a guitarist, and somewhat new to looping. In looking for = tools to loop live, I am struck that most hardware loopers (e.g. EDP, = Boomerang, RC-20, Gigaedelay) each have their limitations. And some = great ones like Repeater have disappeared. In principle, a software = based system could combine the "best of" various hadware setups such as = sync to a MIDI tempo (like Repeater or EDP), have multiple loops = simultaneously (repeater), operating like a delay where loops ca fade = (boomerang). =20 Who out there are using computer software to loop live audio? I = am particularly interested on hearing from guitarists using MIDI foot = controllers to control these systems. The loopers delight page mentions = several systems, but no reviews exist on this site: a.. Sonic Foundry Acid =20 b.. Steim LiSa=20 c.. Audiomulch=20 d.. Cycling '74 Max/MSP=20 e.. Native-Instruments Reaktor=20 f.. Ableton Live=20 g.. Cycling '74 Radial=20 plus a new dedicated loop software!... a.. http://www.evenfall.com/ambiloop/index.html Is anybody using these or other systems? I would be interested to = hear about peoples set ups. Gregory http://listen.to/gregory.jackson -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C3DFFA.10FDC370 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry Michael, i should have been more = clear on=20 that one.
 
Indeed it is working the way you=20 suggested:
 
- have record punch in/out optionally take = effect on=20 quantization boundaries as in Ableton. ie so you can hit the rec in/out=20 controller before the quantization boundary for accurate timing at the=20 boundary.
 
So if the quantize is set to 1/4, then the = plugin will=20 at the moment wait untill it has reached the oncoming 1/4 after the end = of the=20 loop and then start to record a new looplength, just as in ableton = live.=20 This meaning that if you have a loop that is 16 * 1/4:ths long (4 bars = long i=20 guess) then it would wait until it comes to the next loop-point before = going=20 into "Record Loop Length".
 
You see, the plugin is always in = overdub-mode. The=20 record-mode is just to define a new looplength, not for recording=20 multiple-layers of loops, the latter part (multi-layered loops) will be = a future=20 feature though. ;)
 
/Mattias
 
------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C3DFFA.10FDC370-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 21 02:41:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0L7cNC08055; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 02:38:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 02:38:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003d01c3dff1$d63cd850$0200a8c0@waggy> From: "Tias" To: References: <20040120071741.94271.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> <006201c3dfb1$44e994f0$0200a8c0@waggy> <003f01c3dfbf$0de0f4e0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Subject: Re: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:40:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003A_01C3DFFA.378EA860" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C3DFFA.378EA860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually, pretty much any time division is possible i guess since the = base-sync is at 1/128 then it just count the number of 1/128:ths that is = contained in each division. Maybe i'll just do 2 scrolllists so you can = choose any X/Y division. But this should also be based on the VST-hosts tempo and = meassure-setting, since that is a crutial thing too. But it could = generate really interesting results to have the host run at 120bpm 3/4 = and the plugin at 1/2 quantize. /Mattias ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Doug Cox=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 2:36 AM Subject: Re: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives Bring it on, Tias! I, for one, will try it out. I'm still looking for a simple but = powerful software loopng tool that really compliments my approach to my = current loopers (EDPs). This sounds close. Will your quantize functions use other time divisions? ie. 3/4, 5/4, = 11/8, etc? Looking forward to you posting a link. ;) Doug ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tias=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 5:58 PM Subject: Re: Using computers as a Live Looper - software = alternatives Gentlemen! ;) (i'm answering the mail that started the discussion = for convenience sake) In light of the recent discussion, i'm gonna pop up my head yet = again to remind you all that there is a in fact a VST-plugin in the = making that is aimed solely at LiveLooping. And it will be offered right = here on the list for beta-testing. =3D) Basic functionality right now is: -BPM Synced to VST Host -Play Loop / Record new Loop-length -Quantized Recording at 1/1, 1/2, 1/4 & 1/8 (will implement = unquantized recording also) -Feedback 0-100% -24seconds looplength (thinking of making this longer. Maybe = configurable?) (And last but not least) -Overdubbing in both Play Loop and Record Loop-Length Mode This is all working right now, but i have some tiny buggs to work = out of the Alpha-version and it's only developed with tests run in = Ableton Live, but it's been successfull yet. Now i'm just trying to = figure out a good user-interface that make sense when playing live = without taking up too much screenspace. Loades of other features is cooking in my head but there's just so = much time that i have to code on this little sucker, but beeing an = aspiring live-looper myself having my whole rig softwarebased this will = be the most important part of my rig. And hopefully it will be good = enough that someone actually would like to pay for the plugin (not with = your blood though) so i can spend some more time developing it further. = (note, that is just wishfull thinking from my side since my real job = isn't really going that well.) I'm hoping on having a first beta ready in a week or two. And do not = worry, i'm keeping my eyes and ears open for all suggestions that pop up = on the list. ;) /Mattias Nord in the cold cold cold Stockholm of Sweden. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: gsj3=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 8:17 AM Subject: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives I am a guitarist, and somewhat new to looping. In looking for = tools to loop live, I am struck that most hardware loopers (e.g. EDP, = Boomerang, RC-20, Gigaedelay) each have their limitations. And some = great ones like Repeater have disappeared. In principle, a software = based system could combine the "best of" various hadware setups such as = sync to a MIDI tempo (like Repeater or EDP), have multiple loops = simultaneously (repeater), operating like a delay where loops ca fade = (boomerang). =20 Who out there are using computer software to loop live audio? I = am particularly interested on hearing from guitarists using MIDI foot = controllers to control these systems. The loopers delight page mentions = several systems, but no reviews exist on this site: a.. Sonic Foundry Acid =20 b.. Steim LiSa=20 c.. Audiomulch=20 d.. Cycling '74 Max/MSP=20 e.. Native-Instruments Reaktor=20 f.. Ableton Live=20 g.. Cycling '74 Radial=20 plus a new dedicated loop software!... a.. http://www.evenfall.com/ambiloop/index.html Is anybody using these or other systems? I would be interested to = hear about peoples set ups. Gregory http://listen.to/gregory.jackson -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C3DFFA.378EA860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Actually, pretty much any time division = is possible=20 i guess since the base-sync is at 1/128 then it just count the number of = 1/128:ths that is contained in each division. Maybe i'll just do 2 = scrolllists=20 so you can choose any X/Y division.
 
But this should also be based on the = VST-hosts=20 tempo and meassure-setting, since that is a crutial thing too. But it = could=20 generate really interesting results to have the host run at 120bpm 3/4 = and the=20 plugin at 1/2 quantize.
 
/Mattias
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Doug = Cox
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, = 2004 2:36=20 AM
Subject: Re: Using computers as = a Live=20 Looper - software alternatives

Bring it on, Tias!
 
I, for one, will try it out.  = I'm still=20 looking for a simple but powerful software loopng tool that=20 really compliments my approach to my current loopers = (EDPs).  This=20 sounds close.
 
Will your quantize functions use = other time=20 divisions?  ie. 3/4, 5/4, 11/8, etc?
 
Looking forward to you posting a = link.=20 ;)
 
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tias
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, = 2004 5:58=20 PM
Subject: Re: Using computers = as a Live=20 Looper - software alternatives

Gentlemen! ;) (i'm answering the = mail that=20 started the discussion for convenience sake)
 
In light of the recent discussion, = i'm gonna=20 pop up my head yet again to remind you all that there is a in fact a = VST-plugin in the making that is aimed solely at LiveLooping. And it = will be=20 offered right here on the list for beta-testing. =3D)
 
Basic functionality right now = is:
-BPM Synced to VST = Host
-Play Loop / Record new=20 Loop-length
-Quantized Recording at 1/1, 1/2, = 1/4=20 & 1/8 (will implement unquantized recording = also)
-Feedback 0-100%
-24seconds looplength (thinking of = making this=20 longer. Maybe configurable?)
(And last but not = least)
-Overdubbing in both Play Loop and = Record=20 Loop-Length Mode
 
This is all working right now, but = i have some=20 tiny buggs to work out of the Alpha-version and it's only developed = with=20 tests run in Ableton Live, but it's been successfull yet. Now i'm = just=20 trying to figure out a good user-interface that make sense when = playing live=20 without taking up too much screenspace.
 
Loades of other features is cooking in my head but there's just = so much=20 time that i have to code on this little sucker, but beeing an = aspiring=20 live-looper myself having my whole rig softwarebased this will be = the most=20 important part of my rig. And hopefully it will be good enough that = someone=20 actually would like to pay for the plugin (not with your blood = though) so i=20 can spend some more time developing it further. (note, that is just = wishfull=20 thinking from my side since my real job isn't really going that=20 well.)
 
I'm hoping on having a first beta = ready in a=20 week or two. And do not worry, i'm keeping my eyes and ears open for = all=20 suggestions that pop up on the list. ;)
 
/Mattias Nord in the cold cold cold = Stockholm=20 of Sweden.
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 gsj3=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, = 2004 8:17=20 AM
Subject: Using computers as = a Live=20 Looper - software alternatives

I am a guitarist, and somewhat new to looping.  In = looking for=20 tools to loop live, I am struck that most hardware loopers (e.g. = EDP,=20 Boomerang, RC-20, Gigaedelay) each have their limitations.  = And some=20 great ones like Repeater have disappeared.  In principle, a = software=20 based system could combine the "best of" various hadware = setups such=20 as sync to a MIDI tempo (like Repeater or EDP), have multiple = loops=20 simultaneously (repeater), operating like a delay where loops = ca fade=20 (boomerang). 
 
Who out there are using computer software to loop live = audio?  I=20 am particularly interested on hearing from guitarists using MIDI = foot=20 controllers to control these systems.  The loopers delight = page=20 mentions several systems, but no reviews exist on this site:

plus a new dedicated loop software!...

  • http://www.evenfall.= com/ambiloop/index.html

Is anybody using these or other systems?  I would be = interested to=20 hear about peoples set ups.

Gregory

http://listen.to/gregory.jackson


Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Hotjobs: Ente= r=20 the "Signing Bonus"=20 Sweepstakes
------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C3DFFA.378EA860-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 21 03:20:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0L8Hpq14424; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 03:17:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 03:17:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:17:44 +0100 Subject: Re: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003901c3dff1$b26965b0$0200a8c0@waggy> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6S3WyD.A.RhD.vWjDAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-01-21 08.39, "Tias" wrote: > So if the quantize is set to 1/4, then the plugin will at the moment wait > untill it has reached the oncoming 1/4 after the end of the loop and then > start to record a new looplength, just as in ableton live. This meaning that > if you have a loop that is 16 * 1/4:ths long (4 bars long i guess) then it > would wait until it comes to the next loop-point before going into "Record > Loop Length". > > You see, the plugin is always in overdub-mode. The record-mode is just to > define a new looplength, not for recording multiple-layers of loops, the > latter part (multi-layered loops) will be a future feature though. ;) > > /Mattias Question: If I'm then running running a one bar loop with the quantize set to 1/4 and go "record", will the looper then wait until the end of the bar/loop to start recording (thus increasing the loop length)? OR... Will it wait to the next 4th note starting? (you said "NEXT loop point" but there can only be one loop point in a loop. That's what confuses me) > Actually, pretty much any time division is possible i guess since the > base-sync is at 1/128 then it just count the number of 1/128:ths that is > contained in each division. Maybe i'll just do 2 scrolllists so you can choose > any X/Y division. > > But this should also be based on the VST-hosts tempo and meassure-setting, > since that is a crutial thing too. But it could generate really interesting > results to have the host run at 120bpm 3/4 and the plugin at 1/2 quantize. Ha, ha.... That's the spirit! ;-) -- Best wishes Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 21 03:22:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0L8LAf14935; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 03:21:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 03:21:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-KS: 0d0803030107090b010c0d020201090c Message-ID: <00d001c3dff7$807b5b70$12891f43@Ngaio> Reply-To: "Andrew Chaikin" From: "Andrew Chaikin" To: "Michael Stauffer" , References: Subject: Re: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:20:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <5wf2GB.A.LpD.2ZjDAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael Stauffer writes: > You can simulate overdubbing by switching and > recording on different tracks in Ableton live, > although the midi controller mappings are not > currently designed efficiently for this. > ... > For working with 10 tracks, you need at least > 30 controllers to be effective. > ... > Anyone have any other ideas? I've been doing live looping with Ableton Live onstage since early November. I'm making use of a Windows utility called MIDI Translator, which translates MIDI events into any sequence of keystrokes you want. In Live, I've got lots of tracks' worth of buttons (arm-disarm, trigger-launch, etc.) assigned to unique keystrokes -- almost to the point where I max out the 52 characters in the upper- and lower-case alphabets! Then for each song I do, I have an associated set of mappings in MIDI Translator that translate the MIDI events coming from my foot controller (Ground Control Pro) into keystrokes. So, for example, in a certain song, button #1 on my GCP feeds Live the following keystroke sequence: "Ctrl-1 k K Z R l q a", which sets the quantization, arms a track or two, sets the first track to record, etc. It's a kludge, certainly, and not very fault-tolerant -- when I hit the wrong button on stage, all sorts of unintended things happen -- but it does the job. MIDI Translator can be found at http://www.bome.com . Andrew Chaikin, aka Kid Beyond andrew@biggerbread.com (415) 929-8822 http://biggerbread.com | http://kidbeyond.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 21 04:58:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0L9ts727099; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 04:55:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 04:55:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005801c3e004$c4861b40$0601a8c0@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: Subject: V O L E C T R I X: a Voice / Looping / Beatbox Blowout with Rick Walker, Zoe Keating, Kid Beyond, Kid Lucky, Each Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 01:55:54 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm proud to announce my and looping cellist Zoe Keating's involvement in a very interesting show featuring looping Beat Boxers in San Francisco's Protrero Hill neighborhood next Wednesday evening. The details are below. This gig will serve as my San Francisco CD release party as well to celebrate my new all vocal CD, FAUX VOIX (I'll be doing a Santa Cruz official release in a few weeks). Hope you folks within driving distance can make it. Loop on! Rick ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ V O L E C T R I X a Voice / Electronics / Beatbox Blowout ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ with performances by: KID BEYOND sick-ass beatboxer / vocalist / live-looper KID LUCKY beatboxer / spoken-word / video DJing (NYC) ZOE KEATING astonishing looped cello virtuoso RICK WALKER vocalist / live-looper from Santa Cruz EACH beatbox whiz-kid from Discovery Bay ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The details: WED, JAN 28 -- 8pm The Illbilly Rhodehouse 1300 Rhode Island (at 24th), SF CA (415) 642-0669 $7-10 sliding scale ~ all ages ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For more info: - Kid Beyond: http://www.kidbeyond.com - Kid Lucky: http://www.beatboxerent.com - Zoe Keating: http://www.zoekeating.com - Rick Walker: http://www.looppool.info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 21 05:22:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0LAKsa32748; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 05:20:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 05:20:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c3e008$06284b10$6fc80ec1@stockholm.escapi.com> From: "Tias" To: References: Subject: Re: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 11:19:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jan 2004 10:19:19.0512 (UTC) FILETIME=[08008D80:01C3E008] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually Per, i've been thinking of having both ways possible but right now it's the first way, i.e. the plugin will wait untill the end of the loop and then start recording a new loop-length. What i'm also thinking is that maybe it would be nice to have an "auto-duplicate" (kind of like the multiply-function on the EDP), so that if the plugin goes into Record Loop Length and it reaches the endpoint of the last recorded length, then as it should it continues beyond that point playing only silence at the moment, but i'm thinking it could be cool to autorepeat the last loop so you can do multiplication by 1.5 or so. Anyway, that will be a feature also. ;) /Mattias ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: "Loopers" Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 9:17 AM Subject: Re: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives > On 04-01-21 08.39, "Tias" wrote: > > > > So if the quantize is set to 1/4, then the plugin will at the moment wait > > untill it has reached the oncoming 1/4 after the end of the loop and then > > start to record a new looplength, just as in ableton live. This meaning that > > if you have a loop that is 16 * 1/4:ths long (4 bars long i guess) then it > > would wait until it comes to the next loop-point before going into "Record > > Loop Length". > > > > You see, the plugin is always in overdub-mode. The record-mode is just to > > define a new looplength, not for recording multiple-layers of loops, the > > latter part (multi-layered loops) will be a future feature though. ;) > > > > /Mattias > > > Question: > If I'm then running running a one bar loop with the quantize set to 1/4 and > go "record", will the looper then wait until the end of the bar/loop to > start recording (thus increasing the loop length)? > > OR... > Will it wait to the next 4th note starting? > (you said "NEXT loop point" but there can only be one loop point in a loop. > That's what confuses me) > > > > Actually, pretty much any time division is possible i guess since the > > base-sync is at 1/128 then it just count the number of 1/128:ths that is > > contained in each division. Maybe i'll just do 2 scrolllists so you can choose > > any X/Y division. > > > > But this should also be based on the VST-hosts tempo and meassure-setting, > > since that is a crutial thing too. But it could generate really interesting > > results to have the host run at 120bpm 3/4 and the plugin at 1/2 quantize. > > > Ha, ha.... That's the spirit! ;-) > > -- > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.looproom.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 21 06:44:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0LBeMj11655; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 06:40:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 06:40:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:40:14 +0100 Subject: Re: Tia's looping plug-in (was: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001101c3e008$06284b10$6fc80ec1@stockholm.escapi.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-01-21 11.19, "Tias" wrote: > Actually Per, i've been thinking of having both ways possible but right now > it's the first way, i.e. the plugin will wait untill the end of the loop and > then start recording a new loop-length. > > What i'm also thinking is that maybe it would be nice to have an > "auto-duplicate" (kind of like the multiply-function on the EDP), so that if > the plugin goes into Record Loop Length and it reaches the endpoint of the > last recorded length, then as it should it continues beyond that point > playing only silence at the moment, but i'm thinking it could be cool to > autorepeat the last loop so you can do multiplication by 1.5 or so. Anyway, > that will be a feature also. ;) > > /Mattias You know what! --> 1 "Loop point parameter" One thing that would be tremendously cool is to be able to adjust the loop point on the fly. I'm talking about the point when it goes back to play it back from the beginning. If "loop point" is a parameter it will come up as midi cc assignable under Ableton Live and you could adjust it on the fly from a midi expression pedal. Quantized in steps or not quantize (which of course will bring any rhythmic loop out of phase with the beat (but that might just be the point ;-) --> 2 "Loop start parameter" Now imagine that you can do the same also to the loop start point. --> 3 "Loop segment parameter" And finally imagine you can address both the start point and the loop point as a "loop segment". This parameter moves start point and loop point together through the sound file, keeping the loop length fixed. With the "part three" stuff you should be able to do a lot of interesting sounds. Imagine setting the loop time very short, not necessarily to a quantize value, and sweep the looping segment through the sound file from an expression pedal, a fader or some knob. And then, while doing this, you might as well increase the loop point value to make the loop longer. --> 4 "Home parameter" After glitching away into complete rhythmic anarchy, by playing the loop at a lot of non quantized lengths, you can immediately get back into sync on the down beat by bringing the start- and loop point back to their original values. It would be nice with a button for this "original loop length", because such a button would then be accessible from external midi via Live. "Original loop lenghth" can simply eqyal the entire soundfile as it was recorded - if that would make program coding simpler. Welll.... I'll shut up now ;-) pboy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 21 06:57:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0LBuDT13349; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 06:56:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 06:56:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004501c3e015$5908f480$6fc80ec1@stockholm.escapi.com> From: "Tias" To: References: Subject: Re: Tia's looping plug-in (was: Using computers as a Live Looper- software alternatives) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:54:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jan 2004 11:54:39.0513 (UTC) FILETIME=[59637090:01C3E015] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Now THAT'S indeed a definite feature that isn't über-hard to implement. Ok hold that thought, what i'll do is, when i start the Beta-testing phase i'll put up a messageboard for everyone so i'll have a good way to keep track of feature-suggestions. But this one is definitly not hard to implement i think. I'm allready keeping track of start-point and end-point so making these editable by parameters should be a breeze, allthough the parameter-specification in the VST-SDK states that a parameter can only go between 0.0 and 1.0 so i'll have to do some percentage-conversion there based on the entire looplength. Ahh, i'll come up with something nifty there i think. Just remember, my mainconcern for this plugin is that the user-interface might get cluttered in the end so too many visible parameters = clutter, but i'm thinking that maybe parameter representation for live-looping is best done with only visible (fake) LCD-numbers and not loads of drawbars that you can manipulate with the mouse. How's that for a thought? You see, this would emphasize that the plugin is to be used with external Midi-controllers. ;) /Tias ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: "Loopers" Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:40 PM Subject: Re: Tia's looping plug-in (was: Using computers as a Live Looper- software alternatives) > On 04-01-21 11.19, "Tias" wrote: > > > Actually Per, i've been thinking of having both ways possible but right now > > it's the first way, i.e. the plugin will wait untill the end of the loop and > > then start recording a new loop-length. > > > > What i'm also thinking is that maybe it would be nice to have an > > "auto-duplicate" (kind of like the multiply-function on the EDP), so that if > > the plugin goes into Record Loop Length and it reaches the endpoint of the > > last recorded length, then as it should it continues beyond that point > > playing only silence at the moment, but i'm thinking it could be cool to > > autorepeat the last loop so you can do multiplication by 1.5 or so. Anyway, > > that will be a feature also. ;) > > > > /Mattias > > > You know what! > > --> 1 "Loop point parameter" > One thing that would be tremendously cool is to be able to adjust the loop > point on the fly. I'm talking about the point when it goes back to play it > back from the beginning. If "loop point" is a parameter it will come up as > midi cc assignable under Ableton Live and you could adjust it on the fly > from a midi expression pedal. Quantized in steps or not quantize (which of > course will bring any rhythmic loop out of phase with the beat (but that > might just be the point ;-) > > --> 2 "Loop start parameter" > Now imagine that you can do the same also to the loop start point. > > --> 3 "Loop segment parameter" > And finally imagine you can address both the start point and the loop point > as a "loop segment". This parameter moves start point and loop point > together through the sound file, keeping the loop length fixed. > > With the "part three" stuff you should be able to do a lot of interesting > sounds. Imagine setting the loop time very short, not necessarily to a > quantize value, and sweep the looping segment through the sound file from an > expression pedal, a fader or some knob. And then, while doing this, you > might as well increase the loop point value to make the loop longer. > > --> 4 "Home parameter" > After glitching away into complete rhythmic anarchy, by playing the loop at > a lot of non quantized lengths, you can immediately get back into sync on > the down beat by bringing the start- and loop point back to their original > values. It would be nice with a button for this "original loop length", > because such a button would then be accessible from external midi via Live. > "Original loop lenghth" can simply eqyal the entire soundfile as it was > recorded - if that would make program coding simpler. > > Welll.... I'll shut up now ;-) > > pboy > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 21 07:28:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0LCPt019237; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 07:25:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 07:25:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:25:49 +0100 Subject: Re: Tia's looping plug-in (was: Using computers as a Live Looper- software alternatives) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004501c3e015$5908f480$6fc80ec1@stockholm.escapi.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-01-21 12.54, "Tias" wrote: > Just remember, my mainconcern for this plugin is that the user-interface > might get cluttered in the end so too many visible parameters = clutter, but > i'm thinking that maybe parameter representation for live-looping is best > done with only visible (fake) LCD-numbers and not loads of drawbars that you > can manipulate with the mouse. How's that for a thought? Right on the spot! ;-) Well, a cool GUI is always nice. But serious users will not spend much time looking at it anyway. We want to patch up external midi controllers and have a go to make music. And if when the plug runs under Live it uses the Ableton GUI for controller mapping. It would be different if you were pitching your plug-in at the average DAW user that uses the computer mouse to tweak on-screen faders to record automation into Cubase or some other host program. -- Best wishes Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 21 10:47:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0LFjN321825; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:45:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:45:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20040121164137.0123c7d0@pop.chello.se> X-Sender: mpf7428@pop.chello.se X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:45:17 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: GTC Subject: Re: Tia's looping plug-in (was: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives) In-Reply-To: <200401211157.i0LBvON13616@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_14983284==.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_14983284==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hmmm....sometime ago i had a Max patch that i was fooling around with for=20 live looping on the computer. I'll see if i can dig it up and put it up=20 here somewhere. As i remember it was pretty cool. There may be some=20 features that you might want to implement, Mathias. What language are you=20 writing your looper in? Also, (off topic here) if you're not too busy, i'm playing at Big Ben=20 tonight and tomorrow. It would be great to see you again. Jair-R=F4hm ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Glass Thought Communications "Dedicated to the clear pursuit of excellence" +46 708 940893 http://members.chello.se/gtc/index.htm --=====================_14983284==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hmmm....sometime ago i had a Max patch that i was fooling around with for live looping on the computer. I'll see if i can dig it up and put it up here somewhere. As i remember it was pretty cool. There may be some features that you might want to implement, Mathias. What language are you writing your looper in?

Also, (off topic here) if you're not too busy, i'm playing at Big Ben tonight and tomorrow. It would be great to see you again.

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--=====================_14983284==.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 21 12:58:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0LHpUS09584; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:51:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:51:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c3e047$7d827f70$0200a8c0@waggy> From: "Tias" To: References: <5.1.1.6.0.20040121164137.0123c7d0@pop.chello.se> Subject: Re: Tia's looping plug-in (was: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:53:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3E04F.DED14240" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3E04F.DED14240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey J!=20 Would absolutely take a peek at that Max-patch. I'm writing the = VST-plugin in C++ so good planning is a must, also i'm learning as i go = along so i'm pretty sure i'm gonna revise the code a couple of times as = i learn more stuff. I'll see if i can't drop by at BigBen tomorrow, at what time will you be = there then? It's kind of on the way home. (I take the train from Sthlm = S=F6dra so.) /Tias ----- Original Message -----=20 From: GTC=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 4:45 PM Subject: Re: Tia's looping plug-in (was: Using computers as a Live = Looper - software alternatives)=20 Hmmm....sometime ago i had a Max patch that i was fooling around with = for live looping on the computer. I'll see if i can dig it up and put it = up here somewhere. As i remember it was pretty cool. There may be some = features that you might want to implement, Mathias. What language are = you writing your looper in?=20 Also, (off topic here) if you're not too busy, i'm playing at Big Ben = tonight and tomorrow. It would be great to see you again.=20 Jair-R=F4hm = ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Glass Thought Communications "Dedicated to the clear pursuit of excellence" +46 708 940893 http://members.chello.se/gtc/index.htm=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3E04F.DED14240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hey J!
 
Would absolutely take a peek at that = Max-patch. I'm=20 writing the VST-plugin in C++ so good planning is a must, also i'm = learning as i=20 go along so i'm pretty sure i'm gonna revise the code a couple of times = as i=20 learn more stuff.
 
I'll see if i can't drop by at BigBen = tomorrow, at=20 what time will you be there then? It's kind of on the way home. (I take = the=20 train from Sthlm S=F6dra so.)
 
/Tias
 
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Hmmm....sometime ago i had a Max patch = that i was=20 fooling around with for live looping on the computer. I'll see if i = can dig it=20 up and put it up here somewhere. As i remember it was pretty cool. = There may=20 be some features that you might want to implement, Mathias. What = language are=20 you writing your looper in?

Also, (off topic here) if you're = not too=20 busy, i'm playing at Big Ben tonight and tomorrow. It would be great = to see=20 you again.

Jair-R=F4hm




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------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3E04F.DED14240-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 21 13:54:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0LIiNk18423; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:44:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:44:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:48:09 -0800 Subject: upcoming show saturday the 24th in berkeley From: timothy crowe To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey loopers, this saturday, jan 24th at epic arts in Berkeley i'm putting on a loop show. i use the repeater with other goodies looping percussives. i mostly use a djembe pitched shifted and blasted through large subwoofers. i incorporate a lot of delays, filters, noise and feedback. my music is about groove. hope to see you and your friends at www.epicarts.org peace and dance, tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 21 15:17:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0LK6PQ00899; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:06:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:06:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: <117.2e13c0f0.2d403557@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:04:39 EST Subject: WWJ receives honorary membership in Guitar Assn. To: WannaduLLC@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1074715479" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5006 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1074715479 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en For Immediate Release=20 Guitarist Wayne Wesley Johnson becomes honorary member in AFG January 17, 2004, Santa Fe, NM.: World class guitarist Wayne Wesley Johnso= n=20 of Santa Fe, NM was presented with honorary membership in the Association of= =20 Fingerstyle Guitarists (AFG), this past weekend at the Santa Ana College whe= re=20 the Association held their annual convention & concert. The presentation wa= s=20 made to Mr. Johnson by AFG President, Greg Atkin. Wayne was a scheduled=20 performer at this year's convention. Wayne joins the ranks with previous honorary AFG members including=20 recognizable guitarists, Chet Atkins, CGP. (Chet tops everyone's list), Rich= ard Alcoy,=20 Muriel Anderson, Al Bruno, Steve Trovato, Edgar Cruz, Doyle Dykes, Tommy=20 Emmanuel, CGP, Laurence Juber, Gary Lambert, Al Meyers, Jim Nichols, Michael= =20 O'Dorn, Darrell Owens, George Sabolick, Bob Saxton, SGP, Richard Smith and G= uy Van=20 Duser. About AFG The AFG (Association of Fingerstyle Guitarists) is educationally oriented an= d=20 dedicated to the goals of teaching, nurturing, and promoting the art of=20 fingerstyle guitar. This was the second time that Wayne Wesley Johnson has=20 performed at an AFG convention. =20 In pursuit of its goals, the AFG publishes a quarterly newsletter, aptly=20 named The Sound Hole, hosts tri-annual Fingerstyle Guitar Seminars and an an= nual=20 Convention, and sponsors numerous special performance events featuring AFG=20 members. Membership is a congenial mix of fingerstyle guitar enthusiasts who range=20 from wanna-be fingerpickers, casual hobbyists, budding performers, to many o= f the=20 most awesome fingerpickers planet earth has ever known. =20 Even though they are not AFG members (at least not yet), AFG is also=20 influenced by and admire the likes of Jerry Reed and other exceptional finge= rstyle=20 guitarists. The legendary Merle Travis and Marcel Dadi have left indelible legacies that= =20 are oblivious to the passage of time. AFG is also very proud to count some of the finest luthiers as fellow=20 members. Many of the world's greatest fingerstyle guitarists have performed=20= with=20 guitars crafted by (alphabetically) R.C. Allen, Jim English, and Kirk Sand. Annual Dues Annual dues are a mere $20 -- the cost of one average priced CD. The Sound=20 Hole as well as other mailings to announce special events is distributed to=20 members as part of their annual dues. Newsletter A quarterly newsletter, The Sound Hole, contains schedules of future events,= =20 reports of recent past events, informative articles, reviews of recordings,=20 interviews with and stories about some our most famous and interesting membe= rs,=20 stories about favorite guitars, equipment reviews, tablature, playing tips a= nd=20 techniques, tricks, riffs, and much more. Fingerstyle Guitar Seminars These get-togethers are part tutorial, part performance, and all fun. They=20 are held 5 or six times per year on Saturdays from 1:00 PM to 6:00 PM. A nom= inal=20 fee, currently $15, is charged to defray the cost of the event. =20 Annual Convention AFG's biggest and grandest scheduled event is the Annual Convention.=20 Currently held in Santa Ana, the 2-day convention consists of a series of=20 performances by an awesome variety of some of the greatest fingerpickers aro= und.=20 History The club came into being with its very first Convention in Anaheim, CA in=20 January 1997 featuring such artists as Doyle Dykes, Muriel Anderson, Lawrenc= e=20 Juber, Bob Saxton, Michael O'Dorn, Jim Nichols, and Chris Proctor. J.D. Roberts is the club founder. Many door prizes have been donated by various music stores and suppliers.=20 Guitars has been the doorprize at each convention. Organization The AFG is operated by a Board of Directors -- a group of volunteers who=20 perform the day-to-day work and planning, moving toward becoming a Californi= a=20 Nonprofit Corporation. For current Board members, see http://afg.org/contac= ts.htm For more information on Association of Fingerstyle Guitarists visit http://afg.org or write...Association of Fingerstyle Guitarists, P.O. Box= =20 223 , Wildomar, CA 92595, USA About Wayne Wesley Johnson 'Wayne Wesley Johnson is a fine guitarist & a fine drummer, too!'=20 (Living legendary guitarist Les Paul at the Iridium, NYC)=20 Internationally recognized, this award winning guitarist performs on=20 acoustic, electric, nylon & steel string guitars and guitar synthesizer in a= variety=20 of musical styles and genres. A pioneer of the 'New Sound of Santa Fe' tm an= d=20 'Jazzamenco' tm., the artist performs in thumbpicking, fingerstyle, and=20 flatpicking styles...playing jazz, world, new age, latin & rumba flamenca an= d with=20 classical techniques.=20 This charismatic performer has shared the stage with some of the world's=20 finest guitarists, too... Formerly a drummer and touring companion with lege= ndary=20 guitarist's Les Paul, and Nokie Edwards (The Ventures), Wayne has also share= d=20 the stage with Mason Williams, George Benson, Bucky Pizzarelli, BB King,=20 Scotty Moore, Howard Roberts, Larry Carlton, Chet Atkins, Thom Bresh (Son of= the=20 legendary guitarist Merle Travis), Bobby Saxton, Bobby Gibson, Tom Doyle, T= ommy=20 Emmanuel, Seymour Duncan, Stephen Bennett, Stephen King, Richard Smith,=20 Anthony Smith, Tim Farrell, Edgar Cruz, Lou Pallo *The Les Paul Trio), John=20 'Nightwolf' Nelson, Jon Paris, and Santa Fe guitarists, Ruben Romero, Antoni= o=20 Mendoza, Roberto Gonzales, and more.=20 Wayne is a regular annual performer at the Chet Atkins Appreciation Society,= =20 Nokie Festival and on occasion at the Guitars for life benefit concerts.=20 In Santa Fe, Wayne can most often be seen performing with Spanish/classical=20 guitarist Ruben Romero at the Eldorado Hotel on Saturday evenings between=20 8:30-11:30. Wayne now spends some of his time touring, performing, songwrit= ing,=20 recording and producing music for his own artist owned Wannadu record label.= A=20 former corporate CEO, this artist knows the importance of 'professionalism'=20= in=20 performance and appearance and how to provide for client satisfaction. With=20= a=20 collection of guitars to choose from and complimentary amplification, the=20 artist selects his gear, attire and tune selection to suit any size venue an= d any=20 type of occasion.=20 WWJ performs for small venues, holiday & private parties, weddings, trade=20 shows, art gallery openings, resorts & hotel lounges and restaurants, Bar=20 Mitzvah, Bat Mitzvah, Anniversaries, cruises, business banquets, opening ses= sions,=20 festivals, fairs, corporate conventions, political events, shows, & concerts= .=20 Solo performances include solo guitar, but, are sometimes augmented with=20 guitar synthesizer or a technique called 'looping' which permits the artist=20= to=20 record on the fly and accompany himself when no other musicians are availabl= e,=20 and the sometimes use of TV Mixes or 'backing tracks' from Wayne's latest=20 recordings, promising the audience a great musical experience.=20 When appropriate, Wayne shares information about his instruments and playing= =20 styles with his audience, further enhancing the audiences participation and=20 enjoyment.=20 Budget permitting, Wayne Wesley Johnson may be accompanied by his=20 'JAZZAMENCO' tm band.=20 The artist is available for both local, national and international=20 performances. WWJ has performed in China, Israel, Europe, Scandanavia, South= America,=20 and various locations throughout the U.S. and Canada, and Mexico.=20 WWJ the recording artist and Producer=20 Wayne is a successful recording artist & producer with over 80,000 CDs havin= g=20 been sold in just the past few years. A member of BMI, his music has been=20 licensed and airs on Muzak, Dish Network, and currently on The Weather Chann= el,=20 WBTV's Roswell, and the Discovery Channel's Outward Bound series on a regula= r=20 basis, and is now being considered for several film soundtracks. He has=20 recorded with Ruben Romero, Nokie Edwards, Tom Doyle, Gao Hong, Consuelo Luz= , Thom=20 Bresh (Merle Travis' son), Lou Pallo (Les Paul trio), Anthony Smith, Tim=20 Farrell, Edgar Cruz, and others. =20 Recent Awards & Honors:=20 AFG - Association of Fingerstyle Guitarists Honarary Member Santa Ana, CA=20 2004=20 Guitar Nine's Top 50 Most Popular CDs Smooth Jazz / World Category 'Hypnotic= =20 Safari' December 2003=20 Guitars for Life Award New York 2001=20 Soave Guitar Festival Plaque for promoting American Music Italy 2001=20 John Lennon Songwriters Contest =E2=80=9CBaile de la paloma=E2=80=9D Dance C= ategory / Runner=20 Up Winner 1999=20 Recent Concert Performances & Workshops:=20 AFG Association of Fingerstyle Guitarists Santa Ana, California,=20 CAAS Chet Atkins Appreciation Society Nashville, TN,=20 Nokie Festival Eugene, OR,=20 Chamizal Festival El Paso, Texas,=20 Chimayo Museum Chimayo, New Mexico,=20 Keystone Pavillion Keystone, Colorado,=20 'Jazzamenco' Concerts Radisson Santa Fe Maria Benitez Cabaret Theater Santa=20 Fe, NM (SOLD OUT)=20 Recent Radio, TV, & Music Licensing=20 'Entre dos Montanas' (Between Two Mountains), written and performed by Wayne= =20 Wesley Johnson & occasional recording partner guitarist Ruben Romero, was =20 played as part of the music program in the Franklin Covey chain of stores (= appx.=20 175 across the country) Another of Wayne's tunes, 'Un Poco de Elfida' will b= e=20 part of an upcoming program at the chain, too.=20 Johnson's music may also be heard on The Weather Channel, MUZAK,=20 Cable/Satellite TV, WBTV's Roswell, Malcolm in the Middle, Discovery Channel= 's Outward=20 Bound Series. His music has also been licensed to Twentieth Century Fox Film= =20 Corporation, EMusic.com, Surreal to Reel, LicenseMusic.com, Sonic Licensing=20 PRESS (recent)=20 20th Century Guitar Magazine April and June 2003=20 Vintage Guitar Magazine (review) July 2003=20 The SantaFean Magazine July 2003=20 Fingerstyle Guitar Magazine t/b announced=20 Discography:=20 Flamenco Festival (Narada / Hallmark Music) WWJ with Ruben Romero =20 Flamenco Flavors (IAGO / Talking Taco) WWJ with Ruben Romero=20 Hypnotic Safari (Wannadu) WWJ with Ruben Romero=20 Canciones del alma / Songs from the Soul (Wannadu) WWJ with guests Nokie=20 Edwards, Gao Hong, Tom Doyle, Mario Reynolds=20 For more information on Wayne Wesley Johnson visit http://wannadu.com, or=20 http://www.gigmasters.com/jazz/waynewesleyjohnson/ or contact us at Wannadu= ,=20 LLC., 7 Avenida Vista Grande #260, Santa Fe, NM 87508 505.466.8700 fax:=20 505.466.8702 -------------------------------1074715479 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en    For Immediat= e Release
 
Guitarist Wayne Wesley Joh= nson becomes honorary member in AFG
 =
January 17, 2004,  Santa Fe, NM.:<= /STRONG>  World class guitarist Wayne Wesley Johnson of Santa Fe, NM wa= s presented with honorary membership in the Association of Fingerstyle=20= Guitarists (AFG), this past weekend at the Santa Ana College where the Assoc= iation held their annual convention & concert.  The presentation wa= s made to Mr. Johnson by AFG President, Greg Atkin. Wayne was a scheduled pe= rformer at this year's convention.
 
Wayne joins the ranks with previous  honorary A= FG members including recognizable guitarists, Chet Atkins, CGP. (Chet t= ops everyone's list), Richard Alcoy, Muriel Anderson, Al Bruno, Steve Trovat= o, Edgar Cruz, Doyle Dykes, Tommy Emmanuel, CGP, Laurence Juber, Gary Lamber= t, Al Meyers, Jim Nichols, Michael O'Dorn, Darrell Owens, George Sabolick, B= ob Saxton, SGP, Richard Smith and Guy Van Duser.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Michael Stauffer
To: Tias ; Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, = 2004 5:14=20 AM
Subject: RE: Using computers as = a Live=20 Looper - software alternatives

Sounds great! I'd be happy to try and=20 alpha-test.
 
What do you mean by =
"-Quantized Recording at 1/1, 1/2, 1/4 & 1/8 (will = implement=20 unquantized recording also)"?
Does = this mean that=20 record in/out is quantized at these beat boundaries? measure = boundaries?=20 arbitrary time interval=20 boundaries?
 
My=20 $0.02 of suggestions:
-=20 quantization boundaries of multiple measures = possible.
-=20 loop length limited only by RAM and disk space
-=20 have record punch in/out optionally take effect on quantization = boundaries as=20 in Ableton. ie so you can hit the rec in/out controller before the=20 quantization boundary for accurate timing at the = boundary.
-=20 option to record for fixed duration, ie auto punch-out after some = quantization=20 interval
-=20 flexible midi controller mapping
 
HTH,
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: Tias=20 [mailto:tias@condomo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 = 6:58=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 Using computers as a Live Looper - software=20 alternatives

Gentlemen! ;) (i'm answering the = mail that=20 started the discussion for convenience sake)
 
In light of the recent discussion, = i'm gonna=20 pop up my head yet again to remind you all that there is a in fact a = VST-plugin in the making that is aimed solely at LiveLooping. And it = will be=20 offered right here on the list for beta-testing. =3D)
 
Basic functionality right now = is:
-BPM Synced to VST = Host
-Play Loop / Record new=20 Loop-length
-Quantized Recording at 1/1, 1/2, = 1/4=20 & 1/8 (will implement unquantized recording = also)
-Feedback 0-100%
-24seconds looplength (thinking of = making this=20 longer. Maybe configurable?)
(And last but not = least)
-Overdubbing in both Play Loop and = Record=20 Loop-Length Mode
 
This is all working right now, but = i have some=20 tiny buggs to work out of the Alpha-version and it's only developed = with=20 tests run in Ableton Live, but it's been successfull yet. Now i'm = just=20 trying to figure out a good user-interface that make sense when = playing live=20 without taking up too much screenspace.
 
Loades of other features is cooking in my head but there's just = so much=20 time that i have to code on this little sucker, but beeing an = aspiring=20 live-looper myself having my whole rig softwarebased this will be = the most=20 important part of my rig. And hopefully it will be good enough that = someone=20 actually would like to pay for the plugin (not with your blood = though) so i=20 can spend some more time developing it further. (note, that is just = wishfull=20 thinking from my side since my real job isn't really going that=20 well.)
 
I'm hoping on having a first beta = ready in a=20 week or two. And do not worry, i'm keeping my eyes and ears open for = all=20 suggestions that pop up on the list. ;)
 
/Mattias Nord in the cold cold cold = Stockholm=20 of Sweden.
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 gsj3=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, = 2004 8:17=20 AM
Subject: Using computers as = a Live=20 Looper - software alternatives

I am a guitarist, and somewhat new to looping.  In = looking for=20 tools to loop live, I am struck that most hardware loopers (e.g. = EDP,=20 Boomerang, RC-20, Gigaedelay) each have their limitations.  = And some=20 great ones like Repeater have disappeared.  In principle, a = software=20 based system could combine the "best of" various hadware = setups such=20 as sync to a MIDI tempo (like Repeater or EDP), have multiple = loops=20 simultaneously (repeater), operating like a delay where loops = ca fade=20 (boomerang). 
 
Who out there are using computer software to loop live = audio?  I=20 am particularly interested on hearing from guitarists using MIDI = foot=20 controllers to control these systems.  The loopers delight = page=20 mentions several systems, but no reviews exist on this site:

plus a new dedicated loop software!...

  • http://www.evenfall.= com/ambiloop/index.html

Is anybody using these or other systems?  I would be = interested to=20 hear about peoples set ups.

Gregory

http://listen.to/gregory.jackson


Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Hotjobs: Ente= r=20 the "Signing Bonus"=20 Sweepstakes
About AFG
The AFG (Association of Fingerstyle Guitarists) is e= ducationally oriented and dedicated to the goals of teaching, nurturing, and= promoting the art of fingerstyle guitar.  This was the second time tha= t Wayne Wesley Johnson has performed at an AFG convention. 

In pursuit of its goals, the AFG publishes a qua= rterly newsletter, aptly named The Sound Hole, hosts tri-annual Fingerstyle=20= Guitar Seminars and an annual Convention, and sponsors numerous special perf= ormance events featuring AFG members.

Membership is a congenial mix o= f fingerstyle guitar enthusiasts who range from wanna-be fingerpickers, casu= al hobbyists, budding performers, to many of the most awesome fingerpickers=20= planet earth has ever known. 

Even though they are not AFG memb= ers (at least not yet), AFG is also influenced by and admire the l= ikes of Jerry Reed and other exceptional fingerstyle guitarists.

The=20= legendary Merle Travis and Marcel Dadi have left indelible legacies that are= oblivious to the passage of time.

AFG is also very proud to count so= me of the finest luthiers as fellow members. Many of the world's greatest fi= ngerstyle guitarists have performed with guitars crafted by (alphabetically)= R.C. Allen, Jim English, and Kirk Sand.

Annual Dues
Annual= dues are a mere $20 -- the cost of one average priced CD. The Sound Hole as= well as other mailings to announce special events is distributed to members= as part of their annual dues.

Newslette= r
A quarterly newsletter, The Sound Hole, contains schedules of futur= e events, reports of recent past events, informative articles, reviews of re= cordings, interviews with and stories about some our most famous and interes= ting members, stories about favorite guitars, equipment reviews, tablature,=20= playing tips and techniques, tricks, riffs, and much more.

Fingerstyle Guitar Seminars
These get-togethers ar= e part tutorial, part performance, and all fun. They are held 5 or six times= per year on Saturdays from 1:00 PM to 6:00 PM. A nominal fee, currently $15= , is charged to defray the cost of the event. 
 
Annual Convention
AFG's  biggest and=20= grandest scheduled event is the Annual Convention. Currently held in Santa A= na, the 2-day convention consists of a series of performances by an awesome=20= variety of some of the greatest fingerpickers around.
 
History
The club came into being with its=20= very first Convention in Anaheim, CA in January 1997 featuring such artists=20= as Doyle Dykes, Muriel Anderson, Lawrence Juber, Bob Saxton, Michael O'Dorn,= Jim Nichols, and Chris Proctor.
J.D. Roberts is the club founder.
Many door prizes have been donated by various music stores and suppliers. G= uitars has been the doorprize at each convention.

Organization
The AFG is operated by a=20= Board of Directors -- a group of volunteers who perform the day-to-day work=20= and planning, moving toward becoming a California Nonprofit Corporation.&nbs= p; For current Board members, see
http://afg.org/contacts.htm
 
For more information on Association of Fingerstyle G= uitarists visit
http://afg.o= rg    or write...Association of= Fingerstyle Guitarists, P.O. Box 223 , Wildomar, CA 92595, USA
 
About Wayne Wesley Johnson

'Wayne Wesley Johnson is a fine guitarist & a fine drummer,= too!'
(Living legendary guitarist Les Paul=20= at the Iridium, NYC)

Internationally recognized, this award winning guitari= st performs on acoustic, electric, nylon & steel string guitars and guit= ar synthesizer in a variety of musical styles and genres. A pioneer of the '= New Sound of Santa Fe' tm and 'Jazzamenco' tm., the artist performs in thumb= picking, fingerstyle, and flatpicking styles...playing jazz, world, new age,= latin & rumba flamenca and with classical techniques.

This charismatic performer has shared the stage with s= ome of the world's finest guitarists, too... Formerly a drummer and touring=20= companion with legendary guitarist's Les Paul, and Nokie Edwards (The Ventur= es), Wayne has also shared the stage with Mason Williams, George Benson, Buc= ky Pizzarelli, BB King, Scotty Moore, Howard Roberts, Larry Carlton, Chet At= kins, Thom Bresh (Son of the legendary guitarist Merle Travis), Bobby Saxton= , Bobby Gibson, Tom Doyle,  Tommy Emmanuel, Seymour Duncan, Stephen Ben= nett, Stephen King, Richard Smith, Anthony Smith, Tim Farrell, Edgar Cruz, L= ou Pallo *The Les Paul Trio), John 'Nightwolf' Nelson, Jon Paris, and Santa=20= Fe guitarists, Ruben Romero, Antonio Mendoza, Roberto Gonzales,  a= nd more.

Wayne is a regular annual performer at the Chet Atkins= Appreciation Society, Nokie Festival and on occasion at the Guitars for lif= e benefit concerts.

In Santa Fe, Wayne can most often be seen performing w= ith Spanish/classical guitarist Ruben Romero at the Eldorado Hotel on Saturd= ay evenings between 8:30-11:30.  Wayne now spends some of his time tour= ing, performing, songwriting, recording and producing music for his own arti= st owned Wannadu record label. A former corporate CEO, this artist knows the= importance of 'professionalism' in performance and appearance and how to pr= ovide for client satisfaction. With a collection of guitars to choose from a= nd complimentary amplification, the artist selects his gear, attire and tune= selection to suit any size venue and any type of occasion.

WWJ performs for small venues, holiday & private p= arties, weddings, trade shows, art gallery openings, resorts & hotel lou= nges and restaurants, Bar Mitzvah, Bat Mitzvah, Anniversaries, cruises, busi= ness banquets, opening sessions, festivals, fairs, corporate conventions, po= litical events, shows, & concerts.

Solo performances include solo guitar, but, are someti= mes augmented with guitar synthesizer or a technique called 'looping' which=20= permits the artist to record on the fly and accompany himself when no other=20= musicians are available, and the sometimes use of TV Mixes or 'backing track= s' from Wayne's latest recordings, promising the audience a great musical ex= perience.

When appropriate, Wayne shares information about his i= nstruments and playing styles with his audience, further enhancing the audie= nces participation and enjoyment.

Budget permitting, Wayne Wesley Johnson may be accompa= nied by his 'JAZZAMENCO' tm band.

The artist is available for both local, national and i= nternational performances. WWJ has performed in China, Israel, Europe, Scand= anavia, South America, and various locations throughout the U.S. and Canada,= and Mexico.

WWJ the recording artist and Producer=

Wayne is a successful recording artist & producer=20= with over 80,000 CDs having been sold in just the past few years. A member o= f BMI,  his music has been licensed and airs on Muzak, Dish Networ= k, and currently on The Weather Channel, WBTV's Roswell, and the Discovery C= hannel's Outward Bound series on a regular basis, and is now being considere= d for several film soundtracks. He has recorded with Ruben Romero, Nokie Edw= ards, Tom Doyle, Gao Hong, Consuelo Luz, Thom Bresh (Merle Travis' son), Lou= Pallo (Les Paul trio), Anthony Smith, Tim Farrell, Edgar Cruz, and others.&= nbsp;

Recent Awards & Honors:

AFG - Association of Fingerstyle Guitarists Honarary M= ember Santa Ana, CA 2004

Guitar Nine's Top 50 Most Popular CDs Smooth Jazz / Wo= rld Category 'Hypnotic Safari' December 2003

Guitars for Life Award New York 2001

Soave Guitar Festival Plaque for promoting American Mu= sic Italy 2001

John Lennon Songwriters Contest =E2=80=9CBaile de la p= aloma=E2=80=9D Dance Category / Runner Up Winner 1999

Recent Concert Performances & Workshops:

AFG Association of Fingerstyle Guitarists Santa Ana, C= alifornia,

CAAS Chet Atkins Appreciation Society Nashville, TN, <= /FONT>

Nokie Festival Eugene, OR,

Chamizal Festival El Paso, Texas,

Chimayo Museum Chimayo, New Mexico,

Keystone Pavillion Keystone, Colorado,

'Jazzamenco' Concerts Radisson Santa Fe Maria Benitez=20= Cabaret Theater Santa Fe, NM  (SOLD OUT)

Recent  Radio, TV,  &  = ;Music Licensing

'Entre dos Montanas' (Between Two Mountains), written=20= and performed by Wayne Wesley Johnson & occasional recording partne= r guitarist Ruben Romero, was  played as part of the  music progra= m in the Franklin Covey chain of stores (appx. 175 across the country) Anoth= er of Wayne's tunes, 'Un Poco de Elfida' will be part of an upcoming program= at the chain, too.

Johnson's music may also be heard on The Weather Chann= el, MUZAK, Cable/Satellite TV, WBTV's Roswell, Malcolm in the Middle, Discov= ery Channel's Outward Bound Series. His music has also been licensed to= Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation, EMusic.com, Surreal to Reel, Licens= eMusic.com, Sonic Licensing

PRESS (recent)

20th Century Guitar Magazine April and June 2003

Vintage Guitar Magazine (review) July 2003

The SantaFean Magazine July 2003

Fingerstyle Guitar Magazine t/b announced

Discography:

Flamenco Festival  (Narada / Hallmark Music) WWJ=20= with Ruben Romero  

Flamenco Flavors (IAGO / Talking Taco) WWJ with Ruben=20= Romero

Hypnotic Safari (Wannadu)  WWJ with Ruben Romero=20=

Canciones del alma / Songs from the Soul (Wannadu)&nbs= p; WWJ with guests Nokie Edwards, Gao Hong, Tom Doyle, Mario Reynolds

 

For more information on Wayne Wesley Johnson visit <= /FONT>http://wannadu.com<= /FONT>, or http://www.gigmasters.com/jaz= z/waynewesleyjohnson/  or contact us at W= annadu, LLC., 7 Avenida Vista Grande #260, Santa Fe, NM 87508 505.466.8700&n= bsp; fax: 505.466.8702
 
 


-------------------------------1074715479-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 21 15:37:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0LKOrC03711; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:24:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:24:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Michael Stauffer" To: "Andrew Chaikin" , Subject: RE: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:27:11 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 In-Reply-To: <00d001c3dff7$807b5b70$12891f43@Ngaio> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I've been doing live looping with Ableton Live >onstage since early November. I'm making use >of a Windows utility called MIDI Translator, >which translates MIDI events into any sequence >of keystrokes you want. > >In Live, I've got lots of tracks' worth of buttons >(arm-disarm, trigger-launch, etc.) assigned to >unique keystrokes -- almost to the point where >I max out the 52 characters in the upper- and >lower-case alphabets! Then for each song I do, >I have an associated set of mappings in MIDI >Translator that translate the MIDI events coming >from my foot controller (Ground Control Pro) into >keystrokes. > >So, for example, in a certain song, button #1 on >my GCP feeds Live the following keystroke >sequence: "Ctrl-1 k K Z R l q a", which sets the >quantization, arms a track or two, sets the first >track to record, etc. > >It's a kludge, certainly, and not very fault-tolerant -- >when I hit the wrong button on stage, all sorts of >unintended things happen -- but it does the job. > >MIDI Translator can be found at http://www.bome.com . This looks promising, I'll try it out, though I might end up switching to a Mac laptop. Thanks! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 21 16:20:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0LLAOm11759; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:10:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:10:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005801c3e063$0ebda6c0$ab955142@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <117.2e13c0f0.2d403557@aol.com> Subject: Re: WWJ receives honorary membership in Guitar Assn. Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:10:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0055_01C3E01F.FF7D0FE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C3E01F.FF7D0FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm getting this from LD and it looks like SPAM to me. Any comments? = -Miko ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Wjguitar@aol.com=20 To: WannaduLLC@aol.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:04 PM Subject: WWJ receives honorary membership in Guitar Assn. For Immediate Release=20 Guitarist Wayne Wesley Johnson becomes honorary member in AFG January 17, 2004, Santa Fe, NM.: World class guitarist Wayne Wesley = Johnson of Santa Fe, NM was presented with honorary membership in the = Association of Fingerstyle Guitarists (AFG), this past weekend at the = Santa Ana College where the Association held their annual convention & = concert. The presentation was made to Mr. Johnson by AFG President, = Greg Atkin. Wayne was a scheduled performer at this year's convention. Wayne joins the ranks with previous honorary AFG members including = recognizable guitarists, Chet Atkins, CGP. (Chet tops everyone's list), = Richard Alcoy, Muriel Anderson, Al Bruno, Steve Trovato, Edgar Cruz, = Doyle Dykes, Tommy Emmanuel, CGP, Laurence Juber, Gary Lambert, Al = Meyers, Jim Nichols, Michael O'Dorn, Darrell Owens, George Sabolick, Bob = Saxton, SGP, Richard Smith and Guy Van Duser. About AFG The AFG (Association of Fingerstyle Guitarists) is educationally = oriented and dedicated to the goals of teaching, nurturing, and = promoting the art of fingerstyle guitar. This was the second time that = Wayne Wesley Johnson has performed at an AFG convention. =20 In pursuit of its goals, the AFG publishes a quarterly newsletter, = aptly named The Sound Hole, hosts tri-annual Fingerstyle Guitar Seminars = and an annual Convention, and sponsors numerous special performance = events featuring AFG members. Membership is a congenial mix of fingerstyle guitar enthusiasts who = range from wanna-be fingerpickers, casual hobbyists, budding performers, = to many of the most awesome fingerpickers planet earth has ever known. =20 Even though they are not AFG members (at least not yet), AFG is also = influenced by and admire the likes of Jerry Reed and other exceptional = fingerstyle guitarists. The legendary Merle Travis and Marcel Dadi have left indelible = legacies that are oblivious to the passage of time. AFG is also very proud to count some of the finest luthiers as fellow = members. Many of the world's greatest fingerstyle guitarists have = performed with guitars crafted by (alphabetically) R.C. Allen, Jim = English, and Kirk Sand. Annual Dues Annual dues are a mere $20 -- the cost of one average priced CD. The = Sound Hole as well as other mailings to announce special events is = distributed to members as part of their annual dues. Newsletter A quarterly newsletter, The Sound Hole, contains schedules of future = events, reports of recent past events, informative articles, reviews of = recordings, interviews with and stories about some our most famous and = interesting members, stories about favorite guitars, equipment reviews, = tablature, playing tips and techniques, tricks, riffs, and much more. Fingerstyle Guitar Seminars These get-togethers are part tutorial, part performance, and all fun. = They are held 5 or six times per year on Saturdays from 1:00 PM to 6:00 = PM. A nominal fee, currently $15, is charged to defray the cost of the = event. =20 Annual Convention AFG's biggest and grandest scheduled event is the Annual Convention. = Currently held in Santa Ana, the 2-day convention consists of a series = of performances by an awesome variety of some of the greatest = fingerpickers around.=20 History The club came into being with its very first Convention in Anaheim, CA = in January 1997 featuring such artists as Doyle Dykes, Muriel Anderson, = Lawrence Juber, Bob Saxton, Michael O'Dorn, Jim Nichols, and Chris = Proctor. J.D. Roberts is the club founder. Many door prizes have been donated by various music stores and = suppliers. Guitars has been the doorprize at each convention. Organization The AFG is operated by a Board of Directors -- a group of volunteers = who perform the day-to-day work and planning, moving toward becoming a = California Nonprofit Corporation. For current Board members, see = http://afg.org/contacts.htm For more information on Association of Fingerstyle Guitarists visit http://afg.org or write...Association of Fingerstyle Guitarists, = P.O. Box 223 , Wildomar, CA 92595, USA About Wayne Wesley Johnson 'Wayne Wesley Johnson is a fine guitarist & a fine drummer, too!'=20 (Living legendary guitarist Les Paul at the Iridium, NYC)=20 Internationally recognized, this award winning guitarist performs on = acoustic, electric, nylon & steel string guitars and guitar synthesizer = in a variety of musical styles and genres. A pioneer of the 'New Sound = of Santa Fe' tm and 'Jazzamenco' tm., the artist performs in = thumbpicking, fingerstyle, and flatpicking styles...playing jazz, world, = new age, latin & rumba flamenca and with classical techniques.=20 This charismatic performer has shared the stage with some of the = world's finest guitarists, too... Formerly a drummer and touring = companion with legendary guitarist's Les Paul, and Nokie Edwards (The = Ventures), Wayne has also shared the stage with Mason Williams, George = Benson, Bucky Pizzarelli, BB King, Scotty Moore, Howard Roberts, Larry = Carlton, Chet Atkins, Thom Bresh (Son of the legendary guitarist Merle = Travis), Bobby Saxton, Bobby Gibson, Tom Doyle, Tommy Emmanuel, Seymour = Duncan, Stephen Bennett, Stephen King, Richard Smith, Anthony Smith, Tim = Farrell, Edgar Cruz, Lou Pallo *The Les Paul Trio), John 'Nightwolf' = Nelson, Jon Paris, and Santa Fe guitarists, Ruben Romero, Antonio = Mendoza, Roberto Gonzales, and more.=20 Wayne is a regular annual performer at the Chet Atkins Appreciation = Society, Nokie Festival and on occasion at the Guitars for life benefit = concerts.=20 In Santa Fe, Wayne can most often be seen performing with = Spanish/classical guitarist Ruben Romero at the Eldorado Hotel on = Saturday evenings between 8:30-11:30. Wayne now spends some of his time = touring, performing, songwriting, recording and producing music for his = own artist owned Wannadu record label. A former corporate CEO, this = artist knows the importance of 'professionalism' in performance and = appearance and how to provide for client satisfaction. With a collection = of guitars to choose from and complimentary amplification, the artist = selects his gear, attire and tune selection to suit any size venue and = any type of occasion.=20 WWJ performs for small venues, holiday & private parties, weddings, = trade shows, art gallery openings, resorts & hotel lounges and = restaurants, Bar Mitzvah, Bat Mitzvah, Anniversaries, cruises, business = banquets, opening sessions, festivals, fairs, corporate conventions, = political events, shows, & concerts.=20 Solo performances include solo guitar, but, are sometimes augmented = with guitar synthesizer or a technique called 'looping' which permits = the artist to record on the fly and accompany himself when no other = musicians are available, and the sometimes use of TV Mixes or 'backing = tracks' from Wayne's latest recordings, promising the audience a great = musical experience.=20 When appropriate, Wayne shares information about his instruments and = playing styles with his audience, further enhancing the audiences = participation and enjoyment.=20 Budget permitting, Wayne Wesley Johnson may be accompanied by his = 'JAZZAMENCO' tm band.=20 The artist is available for both local, national and international = performances. WWJ has performed in China, Israel, Europe, Scandanavia, = South America, and various locations throughout the U.S. and Canada, and = Mexico.=20 WWJ the recording artist and Producer=20 Wayne is a successful recording artist & producer with over 80,000 CDs = having been sold in just the past few years. A member of BMI, his music = has been licensed and airs on Muzak, Dish Network, and currently on The = Weather Channel, WBTV's Roswell, and the Discovery Channel's Outward = Bound series on a regular basis, and is now being considered for several = film soundtracks. He has recorded with Ruben Romero, Nokie Edwards, Tom = Doyle, Gao Hong, Consuelo Luz, Thom Bresh (Merle Travis' son), Lou Pallo = (Les Paul trio), Anthony Smith, Tim Farrell, Edgar Cruz, and others. =20 Recent Awards & Honors:=20 AFG - Association of Fingerstyle Guitarists Honarary Member Santa Ana, = CA 2004=20 Guitar Nine's Top 50 Most Popular CDs Smooth Jazz / World Category = 'Hypnotic Safari' December 2003=20 Guitars for Life Award New York 2001=20 Soave Guitar Festival Plaque for promoting American Music Italy 2001=20 John Lennon Songwriters Contest =E2=80=9CBaile de la paloma=E2=80=9D = Dance Category / Runner Up Winner 1999=20 Recent Concert Performances & Workshops:=20 AFG Association of Fingerstyle Guitarists Santa Ana, California,=20 CAAS Chet Atkins Appreciation Society Nashville, TN,=20 Nokie Festival Eugene, OR,=20 Chamizal Festival El Paso, Texas,=20 Chimayo Museum Chimayo, New Mexico,=20 Keystone Pavillion Keystone, Colorado,=20 'Jazzamenco' Concerts Radisson Santa Fe Maria Benitez Cabaret Theater = Santa Fe, NM (SOLD OUT)=20 Recent Radio, TV, & Music Licensing=20 'Entre dos Montanas' (Between Two Mountains), written and performed by = Wayne Wesley Johnson & occasional recording partner guitarist Ruben = Romero, was played as part of the music program in the Franklin Covey = chain of stores (appx. 175 across the country) Another of Wayne's tunes, = 'Un Poco de Elfida' will be part of an upcoming program at the chain, = too.=20 Johnson's music may also be heard on The Weather Channel, MUZAK, = Cable/Satellite TV, WBTV's Roswell, Malcolm in the Middle, Discovery = Channel's Outward Bound Series. His music has also been licensed to = Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation, EMusic.com, Surreal to Reel, = LicenseMusic.com, Sonic Licensing=20 PRESS (recent)=20 20th Century Guitar Magazine April and June 2003=20 Vintage Guitar Magazine (review) July 2003=20 The SantaFean Magazine July 2003=20 Fingerstyle Guitar Magazine t/b announced=20 Discography:=20 Flamenco Festival (Narada / Hallmark Music) WWJ with Ruben Romero =20 Flamenco Flavors (IAGO / Talking Taco) WWJ with Ruben Romero=20 Hypnotic Safari (Wannadu) WWJ with Ruben Romero=20 Canciones del alma / Songs from the Soul (Wannadu) WWJ with guests = Nokie Edwards, Gao Hong, Tom Doyle, Mario Reynolds=20 For more information on Wayne Wesley Johnson visit http://wannadu.com, = or http://www.gigmasters.com/jazz/waynewesleyjohnson/ or contact us at = Wannadu, LLC., 7 Avenida Vista Grande #260, Santa Fe, NM 87508 = 505.466.8700 fax: 505.466.8702 ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C3E01F.FF7D0FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
I'm getting this from LD and it looks like SPAM to = me. Any=20 comments? -Miko
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Wjguitar@aol.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, = 2004 12:04=20 PM
Subject: WWJ receives honorary = membership=20 in Guitar Assn.

   For=20 Immediate Release
 
Guitarist Wayne = Wesley Johnson=20 becomes honorary member in AFG
 
January 17, 2004,  Santa Fe, = NM.:  World class guitarist Wayne Wesley Johnson of = Santa Fe, NM=20 was presented with honorary membership in the Association of = Fingerstyle=20 Guitarists (AFG), this past weekend at the Santa Ana College where the = Association held their annual convention & concert.  The = presentation=20 was made to Mr. Johnson by AFG President, Greg Atkin. Wayne was a = scheduled=20 performer at this year's convention.
 
Wayne joins the ranks with previous =  honorary AFG=20 members including recognizable guitarists, Chet Atkins, CGP. = (Chet tops=20 everyone's list), Richard Alcoy, Muriel Anderson, Al Bruno, Steve = Trovato,=20 Edgar Cruz, Doyle Dykes, Tommy Emmanuel, CGP, Laurence Juber, Gary = Lambert, Al=20 Meyers, Jim Nichols, Michael O'Dorn, Darrell Owens, George Sabolick, = Bob=20 Saxton, SGP, Richard Smith and Guy Van Duser.
 
About AFG
The AFG (Association of Fingerstyle = Guitarists) is=20 educationally oriented and dedicated to the goals of teaching, = nurturing, and=20 promoting the art of fingerstyle guitar.  This was the second = time that=20 Wayne Wesley Johnson has performed at an AFG convention.  =

In pursuit of its goals, the AFG publishes = a=20 quarterly newsletter, aptly named The Sound Hole, hosts tri-annual = Fingerstyle=20 Guitar Seminars and an annual Convention, and sponsors numerous = special=20 performance events featuring AFG members.

Membership is a = congenial mix=20 of fingerstyle guitar enthusiasts who range from wanna-be = fingerpickers,=20 casual hobbyists, budding performers, to many of the most awesome=20 fingerpickers planet earth has ever known. 

Even though = they are=20 not AFG members (at least not yet), AFG is also influenced = by and=20 admire the likes of Jerry Reed and other exceptional fingerstyle=20 guitarists.

The legendary Merle Travis and Marcel Dadi have = left=20 indelible legacies that are oblivious to the passage of = time.

AFG is=20 also very proud to count some of the finest luthiers as fellow = members. Many=20 of the world's greatest fingerstyle guitarists have performed with = guitars=20 crafted by (alphabetically) R.C. Allen, Jim English, and Kirk=20 Sand.

Annual Dues
Annual dues are a mere $20 -- the = cost of=20 one average priced CD. The Sound Hole as well as other mailings to = announce=20 special events is distributed to members as part of their annual=20 dues.

Newsletter
A = quarterly=20 newsletter, The Sound Hole, contains schedules of future events, = reports of=20 recent past events, informative articles, reviews of recordings, = interviews=20 with and stories about some our most famous and interesting members, = stories=20 about favorite guitars, equipment reviews, tablature, playing tips and = techniques, tricks, riffs, and much more.

Fingerstyle Guitar Seminars
These get-togethers = are part=20 tutorial, part performance, and all fun. They are held 5 or six times = per year=20 on Saturdays from 1:00 PM to 6:00 PM. A nominal fee, currently $15, is = charged=20 to defray the cost of the event. 
 
Annual Convention
AFG's =  biggest and=20 grandest scheduled event is the Annual Convention. Currently held in = Santa=20 Ana, the 2-day convention consists of a series of performances by an = awesome=20 variety of some of the greatest fingerpickers around.
 
History
The club came into being = with its very=20 first Convention in Anaheim, CA in January 1997 featuring such artists = as=20 Doyle Dykes, Muriel Anderson, Lawrence Juber, Bob Saxton, Michael = O'Dorn, Jim=20 Nichols, and Chris Proctor.
J.D. Roberts is the club = founder.

Many=20 door prizes have been donated by various music stores and suppliers. = Guitars=20 has been the doorprize at each convention.

Organization
The AFG is operated = by a=20 Board of Directors -- a group of volunteers who perform the day-to-day = work=20 and planning, moving toward becoming a California Nonprofit = Corporation. =20 For current Board members, see
http://afg.org/contacts.htm
 
For more information on Association of = Fingerstyle=20 Guitarists visit
http://afg.org    or=20 write...Association of Fingerstyle Guitarists, P.O. Box 223 , = Wildomar, CA=20 92595, USA
 
About Wayne Wesley Johnson

'Wayne Wesley Johnson is a fine guitarist & a fine = drummer,=20 too!'
(Living legendary guitarist Les = Paul at the=20 Iridium, NYC)

Internationally recognized, this award winning = guitarist=20 performs on acoustic, electric, nylon & steel string guitars and = guitar=20 synthesizer in a variety of musical styles and genres. A pioneer of = the 'New=20 Sound of Santa Fe' tm and 'Jazzamenco' tm., the artist performs in=20 thumbpicking, fingerstyle, and flatpicking styles...playing jazz, = world, new=20 age, latin & rumba flamenca and with classical techniques.

This charismatic performer has shared the stage = with some=20 of the world's finest guitarists, too... Formerly a drummer and = touring=20 companion with legendary guitarist's Les Paul, and Nokie Edwards (The=20 Ventures), Wayne has also shared the stage with Mason Williams, George = Benson,=20 Bucky Pizzarelli, BB King, Scotty Moore, Howard Roberts, Larry = Carlton, Chet=20 Atkins, Thom Bresh (Son of the legendary guitarist Merle Travis), = Bobby=20 Saxton, Bobby Gibson, Tom Doyle,  Tommy Emmanuel, Seymour Duncan, = Stephen=20 Bennett, Stephen King, Richard Smith, Anthony Smith, Tim Farrell, = Edgar Cruz,=20 Lou Pallo *The Les Paul Trio), John 'Nightwolf' Nelson, Jon Paris, and = Santa=20 Fe guitarists, Ruben Romero, Antonio Mendoza, Roberto Gonzales, =  and=20 more.

Wayne is a regular annual performer at the Chet = Atkins=20 Appreciation Society, Nokie Festival and on occasion at the Guitars = for life=20 benefit concerts.

In Santa Fe, Wayne can most often be seen = performing with=20 Spanish/classical guitarist Ruben Romero at the Eldorado Hotel on = Saturday=20 evenings between 8:30-11:30.  Wayne now spends some of his time = touring,=20 performing, songwriting, recording and producing music for his own = artist=20 owned Wannadu record label. A former corporate CEO, this artist knows = the=20 importance of 'professionalism' in performance and appearance and how = to=20 provide for client satisfaction. With a collection of guitars to = choose from=20 and complimentary amplification, the artist selects his gear, attire = and tune=20 selection to suit any size venue and any type of occasion.

WWJ performs for small venues, holiday & = private=20 parties, weddings, trade shows, art gallery openings, resorts & = hotel=20 lounges and restaurants, Bar Mitzvah, Bat Mitzvah, Anniversaries, = cruises,=20 business banquets, opening sessions, festivals, fairs, corporate = conventions,=20 political events, shows, & concerts.

Solo performances include solo guitar, but, are = sometimes=20 augmented with guitar synthesizer or a technique called 'looping' = which=20 permits the artist to record on the fly and accompany himself when no = other=20 musicians are available, and the sometimes use of TV Mixes or 'backing = tracks'=20 from Wayne's latest recordings, promising the audience a great musical = experience.

When appropriate, Wayne shares information about = his=20 instruments and playing styles with his audience, further enhancing = the=20 audiences participation and enjoyment.

Budget permitting, Wayne Wesley Johnson may be = accompanied=20 by his 'JAZZAMENCO' tm band.

The artist is available for both local, national = and=20 international performances. WWJ has performed in China, Israel, = Europe,=20 Scandanavia, South America, and various locations throughout the U.S. = and=20 Canada, and Mexico.

WWJ the recording artist and = Producer=20

Wayne is a successful recording artist & = producer with=20 over 80,000 CDs having been sold in just the past few years. A member = of=20 BMI,  his music has been licensed and airs on Muzak, Dish = Network,=20 and currently on The Weather Channel, WBTV's Roswell, and the = Discovery=20 Channel's Outward Bound series on a regular basis, and is now being = considered=20 for several film soundtracks. He has recorded with Ruben Romero, Nokie = Edwards, Tom Doyle, Gao Hong, Consuelo Luz, Thom Bresh (Merle Travis' = son),=20 Lou Pallo (Les Paul trio), Anthony Smith, Tim Farrell, Edgar Cruz, and = others. 

Recent Awards & Honors: =

AFG - Association of Fingerstyle Guitarists = Honarary=20 Member Santa Ana, CA 2004

Guitar Nine's Top 50 Most Popular CDs Smooth = Jazz / World=20 Category 'Hypnotic Safari' December 2003

Guitars for Life Award New York 2001

Soave Guitar Festival Plaque for promoting = American Music=20 Italy 2001

John Lennon Songwriters Contest =E2=80=9CBaile = de la paloma=E2=80=9D Dance=20 Category / Runner Up Winner 1999

Recent Concert Performances &=20 Workshops:

AFG Association of Fingerstyle Guitarists Santa = Ana,=20 California,

CAAS Chet Atkins Appreciation Society Nashville, = TN,=20

Nokie Festival Eugene, OR,

Chamizal Festival El Paso, Texas,

Chimayo Museum Chimayo, New Mexico,

Keystone Pavillion Keystone, Colorado,

'Jazzamenco' Concerts Radisson Santa Fe Maria = Benitez=20 Cabaret Theater Santa Fe, NM  (SOLD OUT)

Recent  Radio, TV,  & =  Music Licensing

'Entre dos Montanas' (Between Two Mountains), = written=20 and performed by Wayne Wesley Johnson & occasional recording = partner=20 guitarist Ruben Romero, was  played as part of the  music = program in=20 the Franklin Covey chain of stores (appx. 175 across the country) = Another of=20 Wayne's tunes, 'Un Poco de Elfida' will be part of an upcoming program = at the=20 chain, too.

Johnson's music may also be heard on The Weather = Channel,=20 MUZAK, Cable/Satellite TV, WBTV's Roswell, Malcolm in the Middle, = Discovery=20 Channel's Outward Bound Series. His music has also been licensed = to=20 Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation, EMusic.com, Surreal to Reel,=20 LicenseMusic.com, Sonic Licensing

PRESS (recent)

20th Century Guitar Magazine April and June 2003 =

Vintage Guitar Magazine (review) July 2003 =

The SantaFean Magazine July 2003

Fingerstyle Guitar Magazine t/b announced =

Discography:

Flamenco Festival  (Narada / Hallmark = Music) WWJ with=20 Ruben Romero  

Flamenco Flavors (IAGO / Talking Taco) WWJ with = Ruben=20 Romero

Hypnotic Safari (Wannadu)  WWJ with Ruben = Romero=20

Canciones del alma / Songs from the Soul = (Wannadu) =20 WWJ with guests Nokie Edwards, Gao Hong, Tom Doyle, Mario Reynolds =

 

For more information on Wayne Wesley Johnson = visit=20 http://wannadu.com, or = http://www.gigmasters.com/jazz/waynewesleyjohnson/  or contact us at Wannadu, LLC., 7 Avenida Vista = Grande #260,=20 Santa Fe, NM 87508 505.466.8700  fax: 505.466.8702
 
 


------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C3E01F.FF7D0FE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 21 17:23:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0LMFMa22449; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:15:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:15:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: WWJ receives honorary membership in Guitar Assn. Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 14:15:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcPgYxQXIErUbCDFQh6kppZv69imlAACFjbA In-Reply-To: <005801c3e063$0ebda6c0$ab955142@Biffoz> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----> Definitely spam-like--however, this guy IS a list member--he came to the Starr Labs booth and hung out this last weekend. He plays Nuevo flamenco on a guitar outfitted by Starr Labs with triggers for percussion and he loops it (ostensibly)... So it just SEEMS more like spam 'cause it's HTML and offical looking . . . Gary ________________________________ From: Miko Biffle [mailto:biffoz@arczip.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 1:11 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WWJ receives honorary membership in Guitar Assn. I'm getting this from LD and it looks like SPAM to me. Any comments? -Miko ----- Original Message ----- From: Wjguitar@aol.com To: WannaduLLC@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:04 PM Subject: WWJ receives honorary membership in Guitar Assn. For Immediate Release Guitarist Wayne Wesley Johnson becomes honorary member in AFG From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 21 18:28:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0LNMqo32127; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:22:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:22:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.225.111.163] X-Originating-Email: [j_sun23@hotmail.com] X-Sender: j_sun23@hotmail.com From: "Jason Spring" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looping acoustic instruments with live mics.......? Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 23:22:46 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jan 2004 23:22:46.0322 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A3E8920:01C3E075] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, To Tim Crowe (or whomever else it may concern or pertain to): I was wondering what experience or problems you have looping acoustic drums. I'm assuming you have a live mic or mics. I have my drumkit mic'd up, and a repeater, with dry-mute engaged, in the effects loop of my mixer (prefader) so I can mix the drums into the repeater without them coming out of the speakers (until they're looped of course). I haven't gotten into it very deep yet with my repeater, but I noticed the other night that I layed a loop down, it souded good, but then when I recorded to a new track, the mics picked up too much of the original loop from the speakers, and it just sounded bad, like a metallic reverby kinda sound. Just curious if you've had some of the same, or any other problems. Sorry if it's not kosher to contact you off list. Thanks in advance. Jason Spring >From: timothy crowe >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: upcoming show saturday the 24th in berkeley >Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:48:09 -0800 > >hey loopers, > > > >this saturday, jan 24th at epic arts in Berkeley i'm putting on a loop >show. > >i use the repeater with other goodies looping percussives. > >i mostly use a djembe pitched shifted and blasted through large subwoofers. >i incorporate a lot of delays, filters, noise and feedback. > >my music is about groove. > >hope to see you and your friends at > >www.epicarts.org > > > >peace and dance, > >tim > > > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 21 20:29:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0M1QQa17656; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:26:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:26:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c3e086$bfd25d20$9a68f93f@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: References: <200401212328.i0LNScx32712@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: RE: WWJ receives honorary membership in Guitar Assn. Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:26:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think Wayne is proud of this honor and as a looping list member I think it is cool that he is letting us know that it as been bestowed upon him. Frankly, I think it reflects well on our community when list members have good things happen to them in their careers, even when they are not specifically loop oriented. I think that's what we are all striving for: legitmacy and respect. Anyone can always put a person on your 'don't recieve e-mail' list in your browser, so I, for one, vote that we let this kind of post exist. oh, yeah, and Congratulations, Wayne. This is a big honor! Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 21 20:38:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0M1aSk19041; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:36:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:36:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <187.2456fc78.2d408312@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:36:18 EST Subject: Re: WWJ receives honorary membership in Guitar Assn. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_187.2456fc78.2d408312_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_187.2456fc78.2d408312_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/21/04 8:26:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, looppool@cruzio.com writes: > Frankly, I think it reflects well on our community when list members have > good things happen to them in their careers, even when they are not > specifically > loop oriented. I think that's what we are all striving for: legitmacy > and respect. > don't call me frank!.....:).....what rick sez is 100% correct.....michael --part1_187.2456fc78.2d408312_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a me= ssage dated 1/21/04 8:26:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, looppool@cruzio.com wr= ites:


Frankly, I think it reflects we= ll on our community when list members have
good things happen to them in their careers, even when they are not
specifically
loop oriented.    I think that's what we are all striving for= :  legitmacy
and respect.


don't call me frank!.....:).....what rick sez is 100% correct.....michael --part1_187.2456fc78.2d408312_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 21 22:58:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0M3vB706768; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:57:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:57:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:00:58 -0800 Subject: Re: Looping acoustic instruments with live mics.......? From: timothy crowe To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi Jason. this is tricky. it's a balance of mic positioning and levels. it happens to me too but a lot of times there's so much energy being recorded that the faint stuff can't be heard. dampen the reflections behind you. good luck, tim on 1/21/04 3:22 PM, Jason Spring at j_sun23@hotmail.com wrote: > Hi all, > > To Tim Crowe (or whomever else it may concern or pertain to): > > I was wondering what experience or problems you have looping acoustic drums. > I'm assuming you have a live mic or mics. I have my drumkit mic'd up, and a > repeater, with dry-mute engaged, in the effects loop of my mixer (prefader) > so I can mix the drums into the repeater without them coming out of the > speakers (until they're looped of course). I haven't gotten into it very > deep yet with my repeater, but I noticed the other night that I layed a loop > down, it souded good, but then when I recorded to a new track, the mics > picked up too much of the original loop from the speakers, and it just > sounded bad, like a metallic reverby kinda sound. Just curious if you've had > some of the same, or any other problems. Sorry if it's not kosher to > contact you off list. Thanks in advance. > > Jason Spring > > >> From: timothy crowe >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> To: >> Subject: upcoming show saturday the 24th in berkeley >> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:48:09 -0800 >> >> hey loopers, >> >> >> >> this saturday, jan 24th at epic arts in Berkeley i'm putting on a loop >> show. >> >> i use the repeater with other goodies looping percussives. >> >> i mostly use a djembe pitched shifted and blasted through large subwoofers. >> i incorporate a lot of delays, filters, noise and feedback. >> >> my music is about groove. >> >> hope to see you and your friends at >> >> www.epicarts.org >> >> >> >> peace and dance, >> >> tim >> >> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 22 00:20:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0M5IpV19125; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 00:18:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 00:18:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20040122061614.03465908@pop.chello.se> X-Sender: mpf7428@pop.chello.se X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 06:18:52 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: GTC Subject: Re: Tia's looping plug-in (was: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives) In-Reply-To: <200401212017.i0LKHve02501@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_63798377==.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: <2rHmTB.A.tqE.701DAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_63798377==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tias; I'm at Big Ben from 22:00 until 00:30 (or 1:00 depending on the crowd).=20 Would be cool to see you and or Per. Otherwise, i'll dig up that Max patch= =20 probably over the weekend. Kind of jammed up with gigs and stuff right now.= =20 Your plug in looks really interesting. Good going. Jair-R=F4hm ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Glass Thought Communications "Dedicated to the clear pursuit of excellence" +46 708 940893 http://members.chello.se/gtc/index.htm --=====================_63798377==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tias;

I'm at Big Ben from 22:00 until 00:30 (or 1:00 depending on the crowd). Would be cool to see you and or Per. Otherwise, i'll dig up that Max patch probably over the weekend. Kind of jammed up with gigs and stuff right now. Your plug in looks really interesting. Good going.

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--=====================_63798377==.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 22 03:11:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0M87na09210; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 03:07:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 03:07:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:07:43 +0100 Subject: Re: Tia's looping plug-in (was: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20040122061614.03465908@pop.chello.se> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i0M87mk09187 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-01-22 06.18, "GTC" wrote: > Tias; > > I'm at Big Ben from 22:00 until 00:30 (or 1:00 depending on the crowd). > Would be cool to see you and or Per. Jair-Rôhm, I'm afraid I can't make it this time. Good luck with your gig! C U - Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 22 09:51:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0MEmuR08924; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:48:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:48:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:49:47 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: WWJ receives honorary membership in Guitar Assn. To: Relay , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006301c3e0f7$01eda000$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <_3F4kB.A.VLC.XL-DAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----> Definitely spam-like-- Ya know, if it smells like spam, and it tastes like spam... Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 22 16:00:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0MKt1i03721; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:55:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:55:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003701c3e12a$17360c80$44985142@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <200401212328.i0LNScx32712@hemlock.violacea.com> <002101c3e086$bfd25d20$9a68f93f@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: WWJ receives honorary membership in Guitar Assn. Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:55:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <1LAybC.A.95.liDEAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll certainly say that it's a great honor, and I'm interested in what Wayne is up to. It looks like boilerplate though and if it's a continuing stream of stuff from *his* mailing list, I don't think that's appropriate. I can't block him, because the mail 'from' address is loopers-delight. But I thought I'd ask before complaining. Sorry for the intrusion and apologies to Wayne if'n yer listening in! I'm going to follow this with a bit of my own cd spam just to keep the playing field level... 8-) Best, -Miko ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 5:26 PM Subject: RE: WWJ receives honorary membership in Guitar Assn. > I think Wayne is proud of this honor and as a looping list member > I think it is cool that he is letting us know that it as been bestowed > upon him. > > Frankly, I think it reflects well on our community when list members have > good things happen to them in their careers, even when they are not > specifically > loop oriented. I think that's what we are all striving for: legitmacy > and respect. > > Anyone can always put a person on your 'don't recieve e-mail' list in your > browser, > so I, for one, vote that we let this kind of post exist. > > oh, yeah, and > > Congratulations, Wayne. This is a big honor! > > Rick > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 22 16:14:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0ML9gW09849; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:09:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:09:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004b01c3e12c$23e7a4a0$44985142@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: Subject: CD Release hucking... Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:10:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <7b0-YD.A.uZC.WwDEAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok, ok... it's me again. I've never officially released an announcement, just posted url's, so... I'm very pround to announce that my first cd - Biffoz 'Rough' - is now up and available at cdbaby.com! It's been a long haul through very troubled waters the last two years, but it's finally up and ready to go. Some of you have heard a few of the tracks on the CT-Collective compilations... I'd love to get some feedback from anyone on the list. You can listen to excerpts at www.cdbaby.com/biffoz Thanks a bunch! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------- Here's some of my fancy promo... Psychedelic, cinematic improv and looping... Futuristic guitar stylings explode in a polyglot stew of sound. A retrospective of the past two years of solo and duo live-in-studio work. Miko Biffle of Santa Cruz, CA. wanders through a multitude of genres and styles and prefers not to align himself with any single sector. Self-taught, he has been creating post-modern guitar improv and psychedelia for over two decades, but secretly poses as an acoustic balladeer, jazz-blues sideman, aggro-shredder, solo looper, pit guitarist, audio engineer, and sometimes all-of-the-above in various S.F. and Montery Bay area ensembles and productions. Special thanks to guitar and tech wizard Tim Sanz for his intuitive jamming on tracks 9, 10 and 11. Daringly juggling key bass, drumbox, guitar, atmospherics, hand drum etc. and succeeding admirably. Biffoz is one of the founding members of the CT-Collective (Chain Tape Collective) http://www.music.columbia.edu/~cecenter/mhl21/ct/ct.html Check out the fresh new ICS Xray Lodge in Santa Cruz! http://www.powerhat.com/ics/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 22 18:54:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0MNkHi27633; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:46:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:46:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Mike Hunter" To: Subject: Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:46:15 -0500 Message-ID: <001a01c3e141$ecb562e0$0e00a8c0@STUDIO1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01C3E118.03DF5AE0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [151.204.197.217] at Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:46:14 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <76UefC.A.qvG.IDGEAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C3E118.03DF5AE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone experienced the follwing Echoplex problem? I am fading in notes from a guitar When the loop plays these notes on the following pass of the loop, there is no fade! It just cuts in. I have two Echoplexes in rotherSync with each other (for stero looping.) I have AutoRecord off and Threshold set to Zero....Both Echoplexes are experiencing this problem Now, another bit of info.... I had been playing for around a hour when this began to happen... Is is a heat related problem? WOuld re-socketing the IC's help? Has anyone experienced this problem before? (I have them off now, cooling down to test my theory.) HELP! I have a live solo radio performance tomorrow and I am deparate for a solution! Thanks, Mike Hunter ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C3E118.03DF5AE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

Has = anyone=20 experienced the follwing Echoplex problem?
 
I am = fading in notes=20 from a guitar When the loop plays these notes on the following pass of = the loop,=20 there is no fade!
It = just cuts=20 in.
 
I have = two=20 Echoplexes in rotherSync with each other (for stero looping.) I have = AutoRecord=20 off and Threshold set to Zero....Both Echoplexes are experiencing this=20 problem
 
Now, = another bit of=20 info....
 
I had = been playing=20 for around a hour when this began to happen... Is is a heat related = problem?=20 WOuld re-socketing the IC's help? Has anyone experienced this problem=20 before?
(I = have them off=20 now, cooling down to test my theory.)
 
HELP! = I have a live=20 solo radio performance tomorrow and I am deparate for a=20 solution!
 
Thanks,

Mike Hunter

 

 

 
------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C3E118.03DF5AE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 22 21:57:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0N2tFk22498; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:55:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:55:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <8D6F8796-4D4F-11D8-A28E-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Rocktron G612 mixer FS on eBay Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:55:07 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There was someone on the list a few months ago bemoaning the death of their Rocktron line mixer, which has been out of production for years. For whoever that was (or anyone else looking for a 1U mixer) here's one on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=2374726127&category=23785&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWA%3AIT&rd= 1 TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 22 22:19:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0N3HS531842; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 22:17:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 22:17:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c3e15f$63a97ae0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <8D6F8796-4D4F-11D8-A28E-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Subject: Re: Rocktron G612 mixer FS on eBay Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:17:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com MINE! Thanks Travis! Just what I was looking for :) Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 8:55 PM Subject: Rocktron G612 mixer FS on eBay > There was someone on the list a few months ago bemoaning the death of > their Rocktron line mixer, which has been out of production for years. > For whoever that was (or anyone else looking for a 1U mixer) here's one > on eBay: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&item=2374726127&category=23785&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWA%3AIT&rd= > 1 > > > > TravisH > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 23 00:51:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0N5oAk15784; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:50:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:50:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) To: Loopers Delight Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--106961349 From: John Metzler Subject: 3rd Attempt...Throw me a Bone. Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:50:02 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1--106961349 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi every one. I am a longtime enthusiast of this site and have been on and off for the past few years. I am finally in a band where I can actually start doing more than just musical masturbation with my Echoplex. But I have a handful of questions for your seasoned pros. Please feel very free to email me privately at jarofjam@mac.com, but please be nice, too much technical jargon bums me out. First let me start with a list of the type of gear I have and might use with looping, what I want to be able to do, and what I think I might need to achieve some of this. What I have (Gear that could be useful to this discussion) -EDP (cream colored) running Loop IV w/EFC-7 -Mackie 1402vlz -Ernie Ball stereo volume pedal (used for EDP Feedback control because of it's 25k ohm pot) -Ernie Ball mono volume pedal (the 250k ohm pot) -RFX MidiBuddy MP128P midi foot pedal (Initially added this so I could instantly jump from loop 1 to loop 7 if need be, but never got it to work) -Alesis QS 7.1 keyboard -Roland MPU64 4X4 usb MIDI interface -MOTU 2X2 Fastlane usb MIDI interface -Flatpanal iMac G4 800Mhz w/ 768 MB of SDRAM -iBook G4 800Mhz w640 MB -Pro Tools 6.2.2 running in Mac OS X 10.3.2 -Boss SE-50 stereo effects processor -A Bass, an Acoustic Guitar w/pick up, and an Electric Guitar. I will be playing bass in the band but I also have lofty solo looping aspirations that I have not yet realized. The drummer in the band,Jim, plays the Roland V-Club kit. I want to be able to have the EDP synced to his drumming and have my button pushes quantized to the tempo. Then I would also like a way to have a pre-programmed midi track send control messeges to the EDP to do all my button pushes for me to help build sound scapes that would otherwise be too hard using just the EFC-7. (Gosh, I hope I explain this stuff well enough to merit some good help and advice) I have had a little bit of luck using Pro Tools as a sequencer. I have been able to have a sequence in pro tools play back some music through my Alesis QS 7.1 and record a MIDI track EDP Button pushes to control the EDP upon playback. Here are a couple of questions I hope to get some useful answers for. 1. Does any one know if there is a way to start up Pro Tools LE 6.2.2 without any Digidesign Hardware hooked up to the computer. I wanted to record some EDP button pushes (EFC-7 moves) on a MIDI track in Pro Tools on my lap top. But it won't open without the Mbox plugged into it. 2. Does anybody know of any free MIDI sequencing software for OSX 10.3.2 that would allow me to do this. 3. I want to be able to access any loop from any other loop in the EDP with the push of only 1 button. This is Why I got the RFX MIDIbuddy foot controller. It has individual buttons numbered 0-9 and a 10up and 10down button. I thought I could plug this in and set it up so that pushing button 3 would jump me straight to 3 and 7 to 7 and so on. I have been unable to do this. Am I doing something wrong or will this foot controller simply not work for this function. HOW CAN I DO THIS??? 4. Please stick with me! Let me explain and then you guys (and Gals) let me know hear what you know and think. I don't know how much I trust software based sequencing programs to use my laptop at a live gig. Computers crash more often then dedicated hardware does. I need a rock solid sequencer that I can use as a drum machine (so I won't have to lug my keyboard just for drum sounds) and an EDP trigger , and sync to Jim's V-Drums, that I can record incoming button pushes on one channel while playing programmed drum sequenced on another channel. WILL THE AKAI MPC 1000 BE A GOOD CHOICE FOR THIS???? Why and why not? 5. One last question for now. (by the way, THANK YOU in advance, to all of you who will doubtlessly give me invaluable advice) If I got myself a second EDP would I be able to have both run in sync and use one in delay mode and the other in Loop mode? And would the delay be in sync with one cycle of the loop? Please Advise. I am really excited about all this. I have been thinking about all this for over a year and I am almost in the place to actually start doing it. This means a lot to me, PLEASE HELP ME OUT. I need to understand, to stand under the light, to be enlightened. ---John M. I know about pain and suffering and being cold, but I just wanna .......... ROCK!!!!!!!! --Apple-Mail-1--106961349 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hi every one. I am a longtime enthusiast of this site and have been on and off for the past few years. I am finally in a band where I can actually start doing more than just musical masturbation with my Echoplex. But I have a handful of questions for your seasoned pros. Please feel very free to email me privately at jarofjam@mac.com, but please be nice, too much technical jargon bums me out. First let me start with a list of the type of gear I have and might use with looping, what I want to be able to do, and what I think I might need to achieve some of this. 4968,1749,5CA9What I have (Gear that could be useful to this discussion) -EDP (cream colored) running Loop IV w/EFC-7 -Mackie 1402vlz -Ernie Ball stereo volume pedal (used for EDP Feedback control because of it's 25k ohm pot) -Ernie Ball mono volume pedal (the 250k ohm pot) -RFX MidiBuddy MP128P midi foot pedal (Initially added this so I could instantly jump from loop 1 to loop 7 if need be, but never got it to work) -Alesis QS 7.1 keyboard -Roland MPU64 4X4 usb MIDI interface -MOTU 2X2 Fastlane usb MIDI interface -Flatpanal iMac G4 800Mhz w/ 768 MB of SDRAM -iBook G4 800Mhz w640 MB -Pro Tools 6.2.2 running in Mac OS X 10.3.2 -Boss SE-50 stereo effects processor -A Bass, an Acoustic Guitar w/pick up, and an Electric Guitar. I will be playing bass in the band but I also have lofty solo looping aspirations that I have not yet realized. The drummer in the band,Jim, plays the Roland V-Club kit. I want to be able to have the EDP synced to his drumming and have my button pushes quantized to the tempo. Then I would also like a way to have a pre-programmed midi track send control messeges to the EDP to do all my button pushes for me to help build sound scapes that would otherwise be too hard using just the EFC-7. (Gosh, I hope I explain this stuff well enough to merit some good help and advice) I have had a little bit of luck using Pro Tools as a sequencer. I have been able to have a sequence in pro tools play back some music through my Alesis QS 7.1 and record a MIDI track EDP Button pushes to control the EDP upon playback. Here are a couple of questions I hope to get some useful answers for. 1. Does any one know if there is a way to start up Pro Tools LE 6.2.2 without any Digidesign Hardware hooked up to the computer. I wanted to record some EDP button pushes (EFC-7 moves) on a MIDI track in Pro Tools on my lap top. But it won't open without the Mbox plugged into it. 2. Does anybody know of any free MIDI sequencing software for OSX 10.3.2 that would allow me to do this. 3. I want to be able to access any loop from any other loop in the EDP with the push of only 1 button. This is Why I got the RFX MIDIbuddy foot controller. It has individual buttons numbered 0-9 and a 10up and 10down button. I thought I could plug this in and set it up so that pushing button 3 would jump me straight to 3 and 7 to 7 and so on. I have been unable to do this. Am I doing something wrong or will this foot controller simply not work for this function. HOW CAN I DO THIS??? 4. Please stick with me! Let me explain and then you guys (and Gals) let me know hear what you know and think. I don't know how much I trust software based sequencing programs to use my laptop at a live gig. Computers crash more often then dedicated hardware does. I need a rock solid sequencer that I can use as a drum machine (so I won't have to lug my keyboard just for drum sounds) and an EDP trigger , and sync to Jim's V-Drums, that I can record incoming button pushes on one channel while playing programmed drum sequenced on another channel. WILL THE AKAI MPC 1000 BE A GOOD CHOICE FOR THIS???? Why and why not? 5. One last question for now. (by the way, THANK YOU in advance, to all of you who will doubtlessly give me invaluable advice) If I got myself a second EDP would I be able to have both run in sync and use one in delay mode and the other in Loop mode? And would the delay be in sync with one cycle of the loop? Please Advise. I am really excited about all this. I have been thinking about all this for over a year and I am almost in the place to actually start doing it. This means a lot to me, PLEASE HELP ME OUT. I need to understand, to stand under the light, to be enlightened. ---John M. I know about pain and suffering and being cold, but I just wanna .......... ROCK!!!!!!!! --Apple-Mail-1--106961349-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 23 00:55:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0N5s6o16779; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:54:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:54:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <8A5EDDA5-4D68-11D8-984F-000393D7CC50@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers Delight From: John Metzler Subject: Favorite EDP MIDI Foot Controler? Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:54:00 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is for anyone who uses a MIDI foot controller with an EDP. What one do you use and what do you like about it? Is the Behringer FCB 1010 the way to go? Can you asign one expression pedal to be Loop play back volume and the other to be Feedback % ? Can you use the EFC-7 along side a MIDI foot controller? ---John M> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 23 01:50:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0N6nsY04791; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 01:49:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 01:49:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20040123001319.05208518@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:47:03 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: 3rd Attempt...Throw me a Bone. In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <1KCKeB.A.uKB.RQMEAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Okay, a lot of these are general and MIDI questions, so let me see if I can help out a bit. First, caveats: I'm not an EDP owner, and I developed a mild-but-long-lasting hatred of Digidesign well over a decade ago, so I don't use Pro Tools. All standard disclaimers apply. However, that said, perhaps I can assist a little. See below. At 11:50 PM 1/22/2004, John Metzler wrote: >1. Does any one know if there is a way to start up Pro Tools LE 6.2.2 >without any Digidesign Hardware hooked up to the computer. I wanted to >record some EDP button pushes (EFC-7 moves) on a MIDI track in Pro Tools >on my lap top. But it won't open without the Mbox plugged into it. I've heard in passing that there was a change in Pro Tools LE between OS9 & OSX. Hopefully somebody else can confirm, but in the OS9 version it's perfectly possible to run the sequencer with no DigiDesign hardware. I'd heard they revised that functionality when they ported it over to OSX, so that the software now needs to see their hardware in order to function. >2. Does anybody know of any free MIDI sequencing software for OSX 10.3.2 >that would allow me to do this. Try taking a look through the Host listing on KVR-VST ( http://www.kvr-vst.com/get.php?mode=results&st=q&s=13 ). If you can't find anything worthwhile there, I know that Jo from Muzys is working hard on the port to OSX (expected sometime during Q1 2004). Once that happens, I'm sure you'll be able to get its little brother -- Computer Muzys -- on the CD's that come each month in Computer Music magazine. Not free, but cheap... >3. I want to be able to access any loop from any other loop in the EDP >with the push of only 1 button. This is Why I got the RFX MIDIbuddy foot >controller. It has individual buttons numbered 0-9 and a 10up and 10down >button. I thought I could plug this in and set it up so that pushing >button 3 would jump me straight to 3 and 7 to 7 and so on. I have been >unable to do this. Am I doing something wrong or will this foot >controller simply not work for this function. HOW CAN I DO THIS??? I believe this has been answered previously: you can't do it from that particular foot controller without adding another piece of hardware to convert the MIDI messages to a different type. >4. Please stick with me! Let me explain and then you guys (and Gals) let >me know hear what you know and think. I don't know how much I trust >software based sequencing programs to use my laptop at a live >gig. Computers crash more often then dedicated hardware does. I need a >rock solid sequencer that I can use as a drum machine (so I won't have to >lug my keyboard just for drum sounds) and an EDP trigger , and sync to >Jim's V-Drums, that I can record incoming button pushes on one channel >while playing programmed drum sequenced on another channel. WILL THE AKAI >MPC 1000 BE A GOOD CHOICE FOR THIS???? Why and why not? It's been a long time since I played around with anything from Akai's MPC series. However, if I recall correctly, I think it will probably do what you need it to. The functionality should be there, but as to whether it's a good choice, I would definitely play around with the interface and see if it's intuitive for you. My background is with the Sequential machines (the Studio 440 kicks ass), so the Akai machines were always a bit hard to get around for me. Likewise, I'd imagine that somebody who spent most of their time on Linn or E-mu workstations would say that both the Akai and SCI machines were whacked. It's what you find easiest to work with that matters, so you'll really need to get some time to download the manual, then demo the machine. One other series of gear to consider here are the E-mu Command Stations. The little I've played with these remind me of my 440 interface: well-thought-out and very fast to move around. I know there are several Command Station owners here on the list however, so I'll let them discuss the merits of their gear. >5. One last question for now. (by the way, THANK YOU in advance, to all >of you who will doubtlessly give me invaluable advice) If I got myself a >second EDP would I be able to have both run in sync and use one in delay >mode and the other in Loop mode? And would the delay be in sync with one >cycle of the loop? That one's going to have to come from an EDP owner, or Kim... Hope that's *some* assistance... -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 23 01:56:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0N6paC05509; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 01:51:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 01:51:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: Favorite EDP MIDI Foot Controler? Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 22:51:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcPhdVnEXn3TZVmwS5ikQ0FBazbFngABHtmg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <8A5EDDA5-4D68-11D8-984F-000393D7CC50@mac.com> Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- John Metzler wants to know-- This is for anyone who uses a MIDI foot controller with an EDP. What one do you use and what do you like about it? Is the Behringer FCB 1010 the way to go? Can you asign one expression pedal to be Loop play back volume and the other to be Feedback % ? Can you use the EFC-7 along side a MIDI foot controller? -----> My advice to this guy and others like him-- Don't kill yourself trying to program something complicated if your knowledge is limited. I had a Lake Butler Mitigator that I managed to program for a while, then on the advice of a fellow MIDI musician, I acquired a PMC-10 by Digitech. At first it didn't seem easy to program, but it got easier, especially with Sean Echevarria's PC editing program called Raymond. The Behringer has a reputation for being difficult to program. It is cheap and available but limited and can be frustrating. I would advice getting the Lake Butler pedal--it is long out of production but very sturdy and evidently still being sold--the producer named Monk (Tony Moore's friend--what's his real name? From Over the Rhine) said he just bought a backup for $50. If money is not an object, I say get a PC 1600x and a MIDI Mouse. If money is way not a problem, get out your checkbook and buy a PMC. Gary PS The answers to the last two questions are yes and yes From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 23 01:59:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0N6wen08256; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 01:58:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 01:58:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <200401230555.i0N5tnr17231@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200401230555.i0N5tnr17231@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--105057869 Message-Id: <6B7ACCD0-4D6C-11D8-A28E-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: 3rd Attempt...Throw me a Bone. Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 22:21:46 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-3--105057869 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Didn't most of these already get answered? 1. No--they designed it specifically to not allow this. 2. No, but if you're running Panther you could get Garageband with iLife for $50. 3. No--that pedal will never do that. You need a more full-featured MIDI pedal, like that Behringer thing that everyone's been discussing, or the Rocktron All Access, Digitech PMC-100 or the Roland FC-200 (I believe that's the number). It has to be a pedal that you can program to send note on/off messages. Your pedal only sends program change commands. 4. No idea, but over the years my impression has been that all those sampler boxes are not designed with that sort of live performance capability in mind. 5. Yes, you can set the two EDP's up to do that. If you're looking for a MIDI-syncable delay, there's cheaper options though. And do you really want the delay time on the second EDP to be one cycle of the first, and not something shorter? I have to say that I think you'll run into all sorts of challenges trying to chase the tempo set by your bud on the V-Drums though. TravisH On Jan 22, 2004, at 9:55 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: John Metzler > Date: January 22, 2004 9:50:02 PM PST > To: Loopers Delight > Subject: 3rd Attempt...Throw me a Bone. > > > Hi every one. > I am a longtime enthusiast of this site and have been on and off for > the past few years. I am finally in a band where I can actually start > doing more than just musical masturbation with my Echoplex. But I > have a handful of questions for your seasoned pros. Please feel very > free to email me privately at jarofjam@mac.com, but please be nice, > too much technical jargon bums me out. First let me start with a list > of the type of gear I have and might use with looping, what I want to > be able to do, and what I think I might need to achieve some of this. > > What I have (Gear that could be useful to this discussion) > -EDP (cream colored) running Loop IV w/EFC-7 > -Mackie 1402vlz > -Ernie Ball stereo volume pedal (used for EDP Feedback control because > of it's 25k ohm pot) > -Ernie Ball mono volume pedal (the 250k ohm pot) > -RFX MidiBuddy MP128P midi foot pedal (Initially added this so I could > instantly jump from loop 1 to loop 7 if need be, but never got it to > work) > -Alesis QS 7.1 keyboard > -Roland MPU64 4X4 usb MIDI interface > -MOTU 2X2 Fastlane usb MIDI interface > -Flatpanal iMac G4 800Mhz w/ 768 MB of SDRAM > -iBook G4 800Mhz w640 MB > -Pro Tools 6.2.2 running in Mac OS X 10.3.2 > -Boss SE-50 stereo effects processor > -A Bass, an Acoustic Guitar w/pick up, and an Electric Guitar. > > I will be playing bass in the band but I also have lofty solo looping > aspirations that I have not yet realized. The drummer in the > band,Jim, plays the Roland V-Club kit. I want to be able to have the > EDP synced to his drumming and have my button pushes quantized to the > tempo. Then I would also like a way to have a pre-programmed midi > track send control messeges to the EDP to do all my button pushes for > me to help build sound scapes that would otherwise be too hard using > just the EFC-7. > > (Gosh, I hope I explain this stuff well enough to merit some good help > and advice) > > I have had a little bit of luck using Pro Tools as a sequencer. I > have been able to have a sequence in pro tools play back some music > through my Alesis QS 7.1 and record a MIDI track EDP Button pushes to > control the EDP upon playback. Here are a couple of questions I hope > to get some useful answers for. > > 1. Does any one know if there is a way to start up Pro Tools LE 6.2.2 > without any Digidesign Hardware hooked up to the computer. I wanted > to record some EDP button pushes (EFC-7 moves) on a MIDI track in Pro > Tools on my lap top. But it won't open without the Mbox plugged into > it. > > 2. Does anybody know of any free MIDI sequencing software for OSX > 10.3.2 that would allow me to do this. > > 3. I want to be able to access any loop from any other loop in the > EDP with the push of only 1 button. This is Why I got the RFX > MIDIbuddy foot controller. It has individual buttons numbered 0-9 and > a 10up and 10down button. I thought I could plug this in and set it > up so that pushing button 3 would jump me straight to 3 and 7 to 7 and > so on. I have been unable to do this. Am I doing something wrong or > will this foot controller simply not work for this function. HOW CAN > I DO THIS??? > > 4. Please stick with me! Let me explain and then you guys (and Gals) > let me know hear what you know and think. I don't know how much I > trust software based sequencing programs to use my laptop at a live > gig. Computers crash more often then dedicated hardware does. I need > a rock solid sequencer that I can use as a drum machine (so I won't > have to lug my keyboard just for drum sounds) and an EDP trigger , > and sync to Jim's V-Drums, that I can record incoming button pushes on > one channel while playing programmed drum sequenced on another > channel. WILL THE AKAI MPC 1000 BE A GOOD CHOICE FOR THIS???? Why > and why not? > > 5. One last question for now. (by the way, THANK YOU in advance, to > all of you who will doubtlessly give me invaluable advice) If I got > myself a second EDP would I be able to have both run in sync and use > one in delay mode and the other in Loop mode? And would the delay be > in sync with one cycle of the loop? > > Please Advise. I am really excited about all this. I have been > thinking about all this for over a year and I am almost in the place > to actually start doing it. This means a lot to me, PLEASE HELP ME > OUT. > > I need to understand, to stand under the light, to be enlightened. > > ---John M. > > I know about pain and suffering and being cold, but I just wanna > .......... ROCK!!!!!!!! > --Apple-Mail-3--105057869 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Didn't most of these already get answered? 1. No--they designed it specifically to not allow this. 2. No, but if you're running Panther you could get Garageband with iLife for $50. 3. No--that pedal will never do that. You need a more full-featured MIDI pedal, like that Behringer thing that everyone's been discussing, or the Rocktron All Access, Digitech PMC-100 or the Roland FC-200 (I believe that's the number). It has to be a pedal that you can program to send note on/off messages. Your pedal only sends program change commands. 4. No idea, but over the years my impression has been that all those sampler boxes are not designed with that sort of live performance capability in mind. 5. Yes, you can set the two EDP's up to do that. If you're looking for a MIDI-syncable delay, there's cheaper options though. And do you really want the delay time on the second EDP to be one cycle of the first, and not something shorter? I have to say that I think you'll run into all sorts of challenges trying to chase the tempo set by your bud on the V-Drums though. TravisH On Jan 22, 2004, at 9:55 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: 0000,0000,0000From: John Metzler < 0000,0000,0000Date: January 22, 2004 9:50:02 PM PST 0000,0000,0000To: Loopers Delight < 0000,0000,0000Subject: 3rd Attempt...Throw me a Bone. Hi every one. I am a longtime enthusiast of this site and have been on and off for the past few years. I am finally in a band where I can actually start doing more than just musical masturbation with my Echoplex. But I have a handful of questions for your seasoned pros. Please feel very free to email me privately at jarofjam@mac.com, but please be nice, too much technical jargon bums me out. First let me start with a list of the type of gear I have and might use with looping, what I want to be able to do, and what I think I might need to achieve some of this. 4967,1748,5CA8What I have (Gear that could be useful to this discussion) -EDP (cream colored) running Loop IV w/EFC-7 -Mackie 1402vlz -Ernie Ball stereo volume pedal (used for EDP Feedback control because of it's 25k ohm pot) -Ernie Ball mono volume pedal (the 250k ohm pot) -RFX MidiBuddy MP128P midi foot pedal (Initially added this so I could instantly jump from loop 1 to loop 7 if need be, but never got it to work) -Alesis QS 7.1 keyboard -Roland MPU64 4X4 usb MIDI interface -MOTU 2X2 Fastlane usb MIDI interface -Flatpanal iMac G4 800Mhz w/ 768 MB of SDRAM -iBook G4 800Mhz w640 MB -Pro Tools 6.2.2 running in Mac OS X 10.3.2 -Boss SE-50 stereo effects processor -A Bass, an Acoustic Guitar w/pick up, and an Electric Guitar. I will be playing bass in the band but I also have lofty solo looping aspirations that I have not yet realized. The drummer in the band,Jim, plays the Roland V-Club kit. I want to be able to have the EDP synced to his drumming and have my button pushes quantized to the tempo. Then I would also like a way to have a pre-programmed midi track send control messeges to the EDP to do all my button pushes for me to help build sound scapes that would otherwise be too hard using just the EFC-7. (Gosh, I hope I explain this stuff well enough to merit some good help and advice) I have had a little bit of luck using Pro Tools as a sequencer. I have been able to have a sequence in pro tools play back some music through my Alesis QS 7.1 and record a MIDI track EDP Button pushes to control the EDP upon playback. Here are a couple of questions I hope to get some useful answers for. 1. Does any one know if there is a way to start up Pro Tools LE 6.2.2 without any Digidesign Hardware hooked up to the computer. I wanted to record some EDP button pushes (EFC-7 moves) on a MIDI track in Pro Tools on my lap top. But it won't open without the Mbox plugged into it. 2. Does anybody know of any free MIDI sequencing software for OSX 10.3.2 that would allow me to do this. 3. I want to be able to access any loop from any other loop in the EDP with the push of only 1 button. This is Why I got the RFX MIDIbuddy foot controller. It has individual buttons numbered 0-9 and a 10up and 10down button. I thought I could plug this in and set it up so that pushing button 3 would jump me straight to 3 and 7 to 7 and so on. I have been unable to do this. Am I doing something wrong or will this foot controller simply not work for this function. HOW CAN I DO THIS??? 4. Please stick with me! Let me explain and then you guys (and Gals) let me know hear what you know and think. I don't know how much I trust software based sequencing programs to use my laptop at a live gig. Computers crash more often then dedicated hardware does. I need a rock solid sequencer that I can use as a drum machine (so I won't have to lug my keyboard just for drum sounds) and an EDP trigger , and sync to Jim's V-Drums, that I can record incoming button pushes on one channel while playing programmed drum sequenced on another channel. WILL THE AKAI MPC 1000 BE A GOOD CHOICE FOR THIS???? Why and why not? 5. One last question for now. (by the way, THANK YOU in advance, to all of you who will doubtlessly give me invaluable advice) If I got myself a second EDP would I be able to have both run in sync and use one in delay mode and the other in Loop mode? And would the delay be in sync with one cycle of the loop? Please Advise. I am really excited about all this. I have been thinking about all this for over a year and I am almost in the place to actually start doing it. This means a lot to me, PLEASE HELP ME OUT. I need to understand, to stand under the light, to be enlightened. ---John M. I know about pain and suffering and being cold, but I just wanna .......... ROCK!!!!!!!! --Apple-Mail-3--105057869-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 23 02:28:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0N7R4B19852; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 02:27:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 02:27:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <86F662D3-4D75-11D8-984F-000393D7CC50@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers Delight From: John Metzler Subject: You're Right, Half the "?"s were Answered..... Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 02:26:57 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com .....and now the other half have been answered. Thanks Everyone. And sorry for not taking out the already answered questions when sending it the 3rd time. You guys are great, thanks for the help. ---John M. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 23 02:32:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0N7TPO20839; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 02:29:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 02:29:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040123072910.18336.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:29:10 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: Favorite EDP MIDI Foot Controler? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <0jrpHC.A.dFF.V1MEAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What about the Rocktron all access? nobody talks about this one and it seems to do everything the PMC10 lake butler and behringer plus it is still available! there is only one catch: it costs about 5 times the others,ups;-) L.a --- Relay wrote: > -----Original Message----- > John Metzler wants to know-- > This is for anyone who uses a MIDI foot controller > with an EDP. > What one do you use and what do you like about it? > Is the Behringer FCB 1010 the way to go? > Can you asign one expression pedal to be Loop play > back volume and the other > to be Feedback % ? > Can you use the EFC-7 along side a MIDI foot > controller? > > -----> My advice to this guy and others like him-- > Don't kill yourself trying to program something > complicated if your > knowledge is limited. > I had a Lake Butler Mitigator that I managed to > program for a while, then on > the advice of a fellow MIDI musician, I acquired a > PMC-10 by Digitech. At > first it didn't seem easy to program, but it got > easier, especially with > Sean Echevarria's PC editing program called Raymond. > The Behringer has a reputation for being difficult > to program. It is cheap > and available but limited and can be frustrating. > I would advice getting the Lake Butler pedal--it is > long out of production > but very sturdy and evidently still being sold--the > producer named Monk > (Tony Moore's friend--what's his real name? From > Over the Rhine) said he > just bought a backup for $50. If money is not an > object, I say get a PC > 1600x and a MIDI Mouse. If money is way not a > problem, get out your > checkbook and buy a PMC. > Gary > PS The answers to the last two questions are yes > and yes > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 23 02:41:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0N7f5v24885; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 02:41:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 02:41:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040123074058.61391.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:40:58 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: SusReplace bug? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20040123072910.18336.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi gang, normally when i use the susReplace function holding the button on my fcb1010 it will replace the previous loop but last night as i was practicing it started fading out the previous loop and replacing it with the new input.Is this a software bug or has anybody experieced this? this would actually be a cool feature! but not the desired one... When i reset the whole enchilada it went back to normal...humm... Louie ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 23 04:27:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0N9P9F00992; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 04:25:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 04:25:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:24:42 +0100 Subject: Re: Favorite EDP MIDI Foot Controler? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8A5EDDA5-4D68-11D8-984F-000393D7CC50@mac.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-01-23 06.54, "John Metzler" wrote: > This is for anyone who uses a MIDI foot controller with an EDP. > What one do you use and what do you like about it? > Is the Behringer FCB 1010 the way to go? I'm happy with mine. It's quite huge though. > Can you asign one expression pedal to be Loop play back volume and the > other to be Feedback % ? Yes. > Can you use the EFC-7 along side a MIDI foot controller? Yes. I did that for a while to have more commands instantly available. Then I sold my EFC-7 to a friend who had a plex but no pedal. So now I have to do a little more flipping between FCB banks. -- Best wishes Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 23 08:21:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0NDINT13521; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:18:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:18:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20040123140442.03b2d480@pop.chello.se> X-Sender: mpf7428@pop.chello.se X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:18:34 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: GTC Subject: Re: CD Release hucking... In-Reply-To: <200401230555.i0N5tni17228@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_89804632==.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_89804632==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Miko; I checked out your page at cdbaby.com. Cool. Good going. "The Question" and "The Way That It Goes" were fun. I'd like to hear more. Keep it up. JPW ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Glass Thought Communications "Dedicated to the clear pursuit of excellence" +46 708 940893 http://members.chello.se/gtc/index.htm --=====================_89804632==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Miko;

I checked out your page at cdbaby.com. Cool. Good going. "The Question" and "The Way That It Goes" were fun. I'd like to hear more. Keep it up.

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--=====================_89804632==.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 23 08:34:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0NDX7u18371; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:33:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:33:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Favorite EDP MIDI Foot Controler? Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:33:04 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Favorite EDP MIDI Foot Controler? Thread-Index: AcPhgqbOgpOrpD3qSYibcuCnXni5XQAMkozg From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2004 13:33:04.0571 (UTC) FILETIME=[6DE748B0:01C3E1B5] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i0NDX6k18344 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The All Access is a great pedal and it's easy to program hands free. I don't use it for the EDP only because I use it for several other devices and just didn't have the buttons left over to cover all the EDP functions I like to use. At one point, however (and to address the last question), I used the EFC7 and also used the All Access for some additional EDP functions. Now I use a Roland FC-200 for the EDP. It has worked quite well for me but it also has some limitations so, in a general sense, I can't say "yes go get one". Programming it is a bit of an odd routine also. Oh, one more thing about the All Access. In addition to the expense, it is also quite heavy. Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 2:29 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Favorite EDP MIDI Foot Controler? > > What about the Rocktron all access? nobody talks about > this one and it seems to do everything the PMC10 lake > butler and behringer plus it is still available! there > is only one catch: it costs about 5 times the > others,ups;-) > L.a From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 23 11:11:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0NG7xJ04807; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:07:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:07:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <9F080245D04FD211816900104B79C7344FC8D2@NTSERVER> From: Glenn Finerman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FCB1010 EDP MIDI thru problem? Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:57:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey folks... Just searched through the archives to see if I'm the only one who's experienced this odd problem... apparently I am (yikes!!) I'm using the Behringer FCB1010 to control a pair of EDP's using midi note on/off info. If I connect the FCB1010 midi out directly into the EDP's midi in, everything works fine... But if the midi out from the FCB1010 first goes into one of the midi devices (multi fx) in my rack, then I use the device's midi thru to feed the EDP, the EDP doesn't respond and will sometimes do strange things like go into parameter mode when I try and send a note message... I can't believe this is happening! And it's driving me crazy... help!!! Any ideas? Anyone? Please?? Glenn Fin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 23 11:49:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0NGeq515289; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:40:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:40:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040123164050.60329.qmail@web21327.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:40:50 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: RE: Favorite EDP MIDI Foot Controler? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Relay wrote: > --the producer named Monk > (Tony Moore's friend--what's his real name? From Over the Rhine) Ric Hordinski __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 23 12:15:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0NH9tm25124; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:09:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:09:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4011548F.4000705@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:06:23 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: Afterglow Playlist for January 19, 2004 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com AFTERGLOW SPECIAL NIGHT TIME EDITION

Afterglow is where I present an eclectic mix of genres with an emphasis on
Progressive Rock.

If you or your band have a version of the Genesis song, Afterglow, send it to me
and I will consider using it to start the program.

I also host The AM/FM Show every other Saturday morning and will be there on
Saturday, January 24.

                    Show #73                    January 19, 2003

11:00 pm (Phase I: Progressive Rock)

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
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ShadowPlay 2            Afterglow                none (none)
Spock's Beard           The Bottom Line          Feel Euphoria (InsideOut)
Glass Hammer            Further Up and           Lex Rex (Arion)
                          Further In

11:30 pm

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Conspiracy              The Unknown              The Unknown (InsideOut)
Yes                     And You And I            Closer To The Edge (Atlantic)
NDV                     The Water's Edge         Karma (Radiant)

12:00 am (Phase II: Transition)

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Solaris                 Parts II - VI            The Martian Chronicles (Gong)
['ramp]                 Damage                   Frozen Radios (none)

12:30 (Phase III; Electronic)

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Redshift                Blueshift *              Redshift (Champagne Lakes)
John Duval              Hell's Canyon *          Hell's Canyon (Hypnos)

1:00 am

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Tangerine Dream         Phaedra                  Phaedra (Virgin)
Jeffrey Koepper         Between Dreams           Etherea (Air Space)

1:30 am

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Gert Emmens             The Day the Wind Blew    Obscure Movements in Twilight
                          Out the Light            Shades (Groove)
Nemesis                 Tango Fornax 9991        Sky Archeology (Freeride)

2:00 am

 * = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 23 12:37:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0NHWOa01763; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:32:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:32:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004101c3e1d6$b4b02700$0100a8c0@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <9F080245D04FD211816900104B79C7344FC8D2@NTSERVER> Subject: Re: FCB1010 EDP MIDI thru problem? Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 18:31:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thru is thru it doesnt hit any internal cicuit from the official midi spec """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" A "MIDI THRU" output may be provided if needed, which provides a direct copy of data coming in MIDI IN. For very long chain lengths (more than three instruments), higher-speed optoisolators must be used to avoid additive rise/fall time errors which affect pulse width duty cycle. """""""""""""""""""""" so the question is why do you think its the EDP ? Check your cables Check your cables Check your midi fx does it have a midi out with thru capabilities or is it a "real" thru read EDP's midi thru and analize it with midiOx its not the EDP good luck Claude > Hey folks... > > Just searched through the archives to see if I'm the only one who's > experienced this odd problem... apparently I am (yikes!!) > > I'm using the Behringer FCB1010 to control a pair of EDP's using midi note > on/off info. > If I connect the FCB1010 midi out directly into the EDP's midi in, > everything works fine... > But if the midi out from the FCB1010 first goes into one of the midi devices > (multi fx) in my rack, then I use the device's midi thru to feed the EDP, > the EDP doesn't respond and will sometimes do strange things like go into > parameter mode when I try and send a note message... > > I can't believe this is happening! And it's driving me crazy... help!!! > > Any ideas? Anyone? Please?? > > Glenn Fin > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 23 12:58:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0NHolv08814; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:50:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:50:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:13:40 -0500 From: jlucas@neoprimitive.net Message-Id: <200401231313.i0NDDesl030590@neoprimitive.net> To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FCB1010 EDP MIDI thru problem? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Make sure there's no MIDI echo happening. I'm not sure how this would happen with hardware, but I know that Cakewalk Sonar automatically defaults to MIDI Echo: Automatic, which means that whatever track you have highlighted (selected) receives the signal from any MIDI input and transmits it to the MIDI output defined by the track. Because of the way I have things set up this means that, if I accidentally leave the EDP track selected when I'm playing along with a sequence, when I press a button on the FCB1010 it sends the signal to the EDP and then immediately sends it again through Sonar, which causes the kinds of problems you're describing. What multi-FX box are you using? Including that would probably go a long way towards getting help on the list. -J -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Finerman Sent: Jan 23, 2004 10:57 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FCB1010 EDP MIDI thru problem? Hey folks... Just searched through the archives to see if I'm the only one who's experienced this odd problem... apparently I am (yikes!!) I'm using the Behringer FCB1010 to control a pair of EDP's using midi note on/off info. If I connect the FCB1010 midi out directly into the EDP's midi in, everything works fine... But if the midi out from the FCB1010 first goes into one of the midi devices (multi fx) in my rack, then I use the device's midi thru to feed the EDP, the EDP doesn't respond and will sometimes do strange things like go into parameter mode when I try and send a note message... I can't believe this is happening! And it's driving me crazy... help!!! Any ideas? Anyone? Please?? Glenn Fin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 23 12:59:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0NHu4610764; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:56:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:56:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <9F080245D04FD211816900104B79C7344FC8E2@NTSERVER> From: Glenn Finerman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: FCB1010 EDP MIDI thru problem? Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:44:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Claude; Yes, it does pass the MIDI in signal through an active circuit as stated in the midi spec you copied below. If there wasn't an active circuit involved then it would be just like connecting a patch cable from input to thru (passive) which isn't the case. The midi in signal is being buffered and sent out (thru) an opto isolator. I never said I think the EDP is the cause, the problem is showing up as the EDP doing funny things and not responding. I have checked all my cables, and all the midi devices in my rack which all have true "midi thru" connections. The problem happens regardless of which device midi thru I use. (tried it on 5 different midi devices) What is "midiox" ?? some type of midi monitor program? Does this run on a PC? If so, where can I get a copy... that would be a big help with trouble shooting this problem! Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Claude Voit [mailto:c.voit@vtx.ch] Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 12:31 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FCB1010 EDP MIDI thru problem? thru is thru it doesnt hit any internal cicuit from the official midi spec """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" A "MIDI THRU" output may be provided if needed, which provides a direct copy of data coming in MIDI IN. For very long chain lengths (more than three instruments), higher-speed optoisolators must be used to avoid additive rise/fall time errors which affect pulse width duty cycle. """""""""""""""""""""" so the question is why do you think its the EDP ? Check your cables Check your cables Check your midi fx does it have a midi out with thru capabilities or is it a "real" thru read EDP's midi thru and analize it with midiOx its not the EDP good luck Claude > Hey folks... > > Just searched through the archives to see if I'm the only one who's > experienced this odd problem... apparently I am (yikes!!) > > I'm using the Behringer FCB1010 to control a pair of EDP's using midi note > on/off info. > If I connect the FCB1010 midi out directly into the EDP's midi in, > everything works fine... > But if the midi out from the FCB1010 first goes into one of the midi devices > (multi fx) in my rack, then I use the device's midi thru to feed the EDP, > the EDP doesn't respond and will sometimes do strange things like go into > parameter mode when I try and send a note message... > > I can't believe this is happening! And it's driving me crazy... help!!! > > Any ideas? Anyone? Please?? > > Glenn Fin > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 23 13:39:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0NIWWj25068; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 13:32:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 13:32:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <9F080245D04FD211816900104B79C7344FC8E9@NTSERVER> From: Glenn Finerman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: FCB1010 EDP MIDI thru problem? Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 13:22:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi; Not possible for a midi echo as you describe.. again, this problem is happening with only one midi device connected between the FCB1010 and the EDP. Of course, I can resolve the problem by just making the EDP the first device in the midi chain, but that would still leave me with the haunting question of "why is this happening"!!! I think Claude's suggestion of using a midi monitor is an excellent idea, I'll try and locate one for my PC. Would be a useful tool to have anyway. Glenn Fin The midi devices in my (live guitar rig) rack are; Mesa Triaxis TC Fireworx TC G-force Two EDP's Repeater Eventide Eclipse -----Original Message----- From: jlucas@neoprimitive.net [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net] Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 8:14 AM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FCB1010 EDP MIDI thru problem? Make sure there's no MIDI echo happening. I'm not sure how this would happen with hardware, but I know that Cakewalk Sonar automatically defaults to MIDI Echo: Automatic, which means that whatever track you have highlighted (selected) receives the signal from any MIDI input and transmits it to the MIDI output defined by the track. Because of the way I have things set up this means that, if I accidentally leave the EDP track selected when I'm playing along with a sequence, when I press a button on the FCB1010 it sends the signal to the EDP and then immediately sends it again through Sonar, which causes the kinds of problems you're describing. What multi-FX box are you using? Including that would probably go a long way towards getting help on the list. -J -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Finerman Sent: Jan 23, 2004 10:57 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FCB1010 EDP MIDI thru problem? Hey folks... Just searched through the archives to see if I'm the only one who's experienced this odd problem... apparently I am (yikes!!) I'm using the Behringer FCB1010 to control a pair of EDP's using midi note on/off info. If I connect the FCB1010 midi out directly into the EDP's midi in, everything works fine... But if the midi out from the FCB1010 first goes into one of the midi devices (multi fx) in my rack, then I use the device's midi thru to feed the EDP, the EDP doesn't respond and will sometimes do strange things like go into parameter mode when I try and send a note message... I can't believe this is happening! And it's driving me crazy... help!!! Any ideas? Anyone? Please?? Glenn Fin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 23 13:43:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0NIYHS25651; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 13:34:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 13:34:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c3e1df$97381ee0$54b51345@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <5.1.1.6.0.20040123140442.03b2d480@pop.chello.se> Subject: Re: CD Release hucking... Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:34:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01C3E19C.884B7460" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C3E19C.884B7460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks JPW...=20 I'm working hard on the last few pieces I need to finish my next cd. It = will be less retrospective, have more of the current craze of real-time = chopped and diced loops, as well as be more song based (although the = looping and atmospherics are more intense as well. There are already = about 5 tunes with vocals). I hope to have things ready for release = around April-May.=20 --------------------------------------------- Miko Biffle - biffoz@arczip.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" www.cdbaby.com/biffoz - Biffoz 'Rough' at CDBaby.com=20 www.music.columbia.edu/~cecenter/mhl21/ct/ct.html - Chain Tape = Collective www.powerhat.com/ics - ICS Xray Lodge in Santa Cruz! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: GTC=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 5:18 AM Subject: Re: CD Release hucking... Miko; I checked out your page at cdbaby.com. Cool. Good going. "The = Question" and "The Way That It Goes" were fun. I'd like to hear more. = Keep it up.=20 JPW = ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Glass Thought Communications "Dedicated to the clear pursuit of excellence" +46 708 940893 http://members.chello.se/gtc/index.htm=20 ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C3E19C.884B7460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks JPW...
 
I'm working hard on the last few pieces = I need to=20 finish my next cd. It will be less retrospective, have more of the = current craze=20 of real-time chopped and diced loops, as well as be more song based = (although=20 the looping and atmospherics are more intense as well. There are already = about 5=20 tunes with vocals). I hope to have things ready for release around = April-May.=20
 
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Miko Biffle - biffoz@arczip.com
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www.cdbaby.com/biffoz - = Biffoz=20 'Rough' at CDBaby.com
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www.powerhat.com/ics =  - ICS Xray=20 Lodge in Santa Cruz!
 
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Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 = 5:18=20 AM
Subject: Re: CD Release = hucking...

Miko;

I=20 checked out your page at cdbaby.com. Cool. Good going. "The Question" = and "The=20 Way That It Goes" were fun. I'd like to hear more. Keep it up.=20

JPW




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------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C3E19C.884B7460-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 23 14:26:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0NJM4P10442; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:22:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:22:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040123192202.3878.qmail@web21322.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:22:02 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: RE: FCB1010 EDP MIDI thru problem? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9F080245D04FD211816900104B79C7344FC8E2@NTSERVER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Glenn Finerman wrote: > What is "midiox" ?? some type of midi monitor program? Does this run on a > PC? If so, where can I get a copy... that would be a big help with trouble > shooting this problem! Midiox is freeware midi analyzer software for Windows. You can find it at: http://midiox.com/ They like a donation for personal use, and require you to buy a license for commercial use. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 23 21:33:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0O2V2Q28128; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 21:31:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 21:31:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen " To: Subject: RE: Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 02:31:09 -0000 Message-ID: <001701c3e222$20b7aea0$0100a8c0@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C3E222.20B7AEA0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <001a01c3e141$ecb562e0$0e00a8c0@STUDIO1> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C3E222.20B7AEA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds very much like a crystal tolerance problem which sometimes manifests itself when Brother Syncing. I'm afraid there is no really quick fix; replacing the crystals would probably cure it. Send me your address and I'll send two matched sets. They take about 10 minutes to replace if you are, or know someone who is, very competent with a soldering iron :-) -----Original Message----- From: Mike Hunter [mailto:vze298yr@verizon.net] Sent: 22 January 2004 23:46 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Has anyone experienced the follwing Echoplex problem? I am fading in notes from a guitar When the loop plays these notes on the following pass of the loop, there is no fade! It just cuts in. I have two Echoplexes in rotherSync with each other (for stero looping.) I have AutoRecord off and Threshold set to Zero....Both Echoplexes are experiencing this problem Now, another bit of info.... I had been playing for around a hour when this began to happen... Is is a heat related problem? WOuld re-socketing the IC's help? Has anyone experienced this problem before? (I have them off now, cooling down to test my theory.) HELP! I have a live solo radio performance tomorrow and I am deparate for a solution! Thanks, Mike Hunter ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C3E222.20B7AEA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

Sounds very much like a crystal = tolerance problem which sometimes manifests itself when Brother Syncing. I’m = afraid there is no really quick fix; replacing the crystals would probably cure = it. Send me your address and I’ll send two matched sets. They take = about 10 minutes to replace if you are, or know someone who is, very competent = with a soldering iron J

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: Mike Hunter [mailto:vze298yr@verizon.net]
Sent: 22 January 2004 = 23:46
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: =

 

Has anyone experienced the = follwing Echoplex problem?

 

I am fading in notes from a = guitar When the loop plays these notes on the following pass of the loop, there = is no fade!

It just cuts = in.

 

I have two Echoplexes in = rotherSync with each other (for stero looping.) I have AutoRecord off and Threshold = set to Zero....Both Echoplexes are experiencing this = problem

 

Now, another bit of = info....

 

I had been playing for = around a hour when this began to happen... Is is a heat related problem? WOuld = re-socketing the IC's help? Has anyone experienced this problem = before?

(I have them off now, = cooling down to test my theory.)

 

HELP! I have a live = solo radio performance tomorrow and I am deparate for a = solution!

 

Thanks,

Mike = Hunter

 

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C3E222.20B7AEA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 24 00:21:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0O5KPU19779; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 00:20:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 00:20:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20040123211739.04e46c60@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 21:21:26 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: In-Reply-To: <001701c3e222$20b7aea0$0100a8c0@p4> References: <001a01c3e141$ecb562e0$0e00a8c0@STUDIO1> <001701c3e222$20b7aea0$0100a8c0@p4> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Before you try that, I suggest you try adjusting your input and output levels. There is a noise gate on the input to the loop that prevents a variety of problems, but the threshold is set very low. When the levels are set correctly, you will not notice it because the threshold will be far below your signal. If you have the input level too low however, faded in notes will have the beginning cut off as you describe. Try increasing the input level and reducing the output. kim At 06:31 PM 1/23/2004, Andy Ewen wrote: >Sounds very much like a crystal tolerance problem which sometimes >manifests itself when Brother Syncing. I'm afraid there is no really quick >fix; replacing the crystals would probably cure it. Send me your address >and I'll send two matched sets. They take about 10 minutes to replace if >you are, or know someone who is, very competent with a soldering iron J > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mike Hunter [mailto:vze298yr@verizon.net] >Sent: 22 January 2004 23:46 >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: > >Has anyone experienced the follwing Echoplex problem? > >I am fading in notes from a guitar When the loop plays these notes on the >following pass of the loop, there is no fade! >It just cuts in. > >I have two Echoplexes in rotherSync with each other (for stero looping.) I >have AutoRecord off and Threshold set to Zero....Both Echoplexes are >experiencing this problem > >Now, another bit of info.... > >I had been playing for around a hour when this began to happen... Is is a >heat related problem? WOuld re-socketing the IC's help? Has anyone >experienced this problem before? >(I have them off now, cooling down to test my theory.) > >HELP! I have a live solo radio performance tomorrow and I am deparate for >a solution! > >Thanks, > >Mike Hunter > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 24 05:39:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0OAcQm01538; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 05:38:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 05:38:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <17e.258c728c.2d43a516@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 05:38:14 EST Subject: Re: SusReplace bug? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <4M439B.A.6X.iskEAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hi gang, > normally when i use the susReplace function holding > the button on my fcb1010 it will replace the previous > loop but last night as i was practicing it started > fading out the previous loop and replacing it with the > new input. Sorry, there just aren't enough details here. If you can describe more clearly. ..also did you use the InsertMode=rPL way of doing this, or the DirectMidi. do you have Loop4 or loop3? were you using an EDP? :-) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 24 07:06:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0OC3CT20238; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 07:03:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 07:03:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040124120305.13181.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 04:03:05 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: SusReplace bug? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <17e.258c728c.2d43a516@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Andy sorry i meant SUSSubstitute(i always get replace and substitute mixed up) I have and EDP with loopIV and programmed this fuction via New Direct MIDI.So when i press de button the old loop starts fading out slowly instead of being substituted right away, while the new one gets recorded. Any ideas? L.a --- SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > > Hi gang, > > normally when i use the susReplace function > holding > > the button on my fcb1010 it will replace the > previous > > loop but last night as i was practicing it > started > > fading out the previous loop and replacing it > with the > > new input. > > Sorry, there just aren't enough details here. > If you can describe more clearly. > > ..also > did you use the InsertMode=rPL way of doing this, > or the DirectMidi. > > do you have Loop4 or loop3? > > were you using an EDP? :-) > > andy butler > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 24 07:20:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0OCIhi22967; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 07:18:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 07:18:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040124121837.22399.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 04:18:37 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Midi Monitor To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9F080245D04FD211816900104B79C7344FC8E9@NTSERVER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Glenn I am not sure what a midi monitor is(software or hardware?)but i would be very interested in using this as well. Share your experiences! thanx L.a --- Glenn Finerman wrote: > > > Hi; > > Not possible for a midi echo as you describe.. > again, this problem is > happening with only one midi device connected > between the FCB1010 and the > EDP. > > Of course, I can resolve the problem by just making > the EDP the first device > in the midi chain, but that would still leave me > with the haunting question > of "why is this happening"!!! > > I think Claude's suggestion of using a midi monitor > is an excellent idea, > I'll try and locate one for my PC. Would be a useful > tool to have anyway. > > Glenn Fin > > The midi devices in my (live guitar rig) rack are; > > Mesa Triaxis > TC Fireworx > TC G-force > Two EDP's > Repeater > Eventide Eclipse > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jlucas@neoprimitive.net > [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net] > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 8:14 AM > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: FCB1010 EDP MIDI thru problem? > > > Make sure there's no MIDI echo happening. I'm not > sure how this would > happen with > hardware, but I know that Cakewalk Sonar > automatically defaults to MIDI > Echo: Automatic, > which means that whatever track you have highlighted > (selected) receives the > signal > from any MIDI input and transmits it to the MIDI > output defined by the > track. Because > of the way I have things set up this means that, if > I accidentally leave the > EDP > track selected when I'm playing along with a > sequence, when I press a button > on > the FCB1010 it sends the signal to the EDP and then > immediately sends it > again through > Sonar, which causes the kinds of problems you're > describing. > > What multi-FX box are you using? Including that > would probably go a long > way towards > getting help on the list. > > -J > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Glenn Finerman > Sent: Jan 23, 2004 10:57 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: FCB1010 EDP MIDI thru problem? > > Hey folks... > > Just searched through the archives to see if I'm the > only one who's > experienced this odd problem... apparently I am > (yikes!!) > > I'm using the Behringer FCB1010 to control a pair of > EDP's using midi note > on/off info. > If I connect the FCB1010 midi out directly into the > EDP's midi in, > everything works fine... > But if the midi out from the FCB1010 first goes into > one of the midi devices > (multi fx) in my rack, then I use the device's midi > thru to feed the EDP, > the EDP doesn't respond and will sometimes do > strange things like go into > parameter mode when I try and send a note message... > > I can't believe this is happening! And it's driving > me crazy... help!!! > > Any ideas? Anyone? Please?? > > Glenn Fin > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 24 07:23:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0OCLT723481; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 07:21:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 07:21:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040124122123.16329.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 04:21:23 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: FCB1010 EDP MIDI thru problem? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9F080245D04FD211816900104B79C7344FC8E2@NTSERVER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com by the way Glenn i had a similar problem when i had the loop IIIv. loopIV seems to have solved the problem for me. Cheers L.a > Yes, it does pass the MIDI in signal through an > active circuit as stated in > the midi spec you copied below. If there wasn't an > active circuit involved > then it would be just like connecting a patch cable > from input to thru > (passive) which isn't the case. > > The midi in signal is being buffered and sent out > (thru) an opto isolator. > > I never said I think the EDP is the cause, the > problem is showing up as the > EDP doing funny things and not responding. > > I have checked all my cables, and all the midi > devices in my rack which all > have true "midi thru" connections. The problem > happens regardless of which > device midi thru I use. (tried it on 5 different > midi devices) > > What is "midiox" ?? some type of midi monitor > program? Does this run on a > PC? If so, where can I get a copy... that would be a > big help with trouble > shooting this problem! > > Glenn > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Claude Voit [mailto:c.voit@vtx.ch] > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 12:31 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: FCB1010 EDP MIDI thru problem? > > thru is thru it doesnt hit any internal cicuit > from the official midi spec > """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" > A "MIDI THRU" output may be provided if needed, > which provides a direct copy > of data coming in MIDI IN. For very long chain > lengths (more than three > instruments), higher-speed optoisolators must be > used to avoid additive > rise/fall time errors which affect pulse width duty > cycle. > """""""""""""""""""""" > > so the question is why do you think its the EDP ? > > Check your cables > Check your cables > Check your midi fx does it have a midi out with thru > capabilities or is it a > "real" thru > read EDP's midi thru and analize it with midiOx > > its not the EDP > > good luck > > Claude > > > > Hey folks... > > > > Just searched through the archives to see if I'm > the only one who's > > experienced this odd problem... apparently I am > (yikes!!) > > > > I'm using the Behringer FCB1010 to control a pair > of EDP's using midi note > > on/off info. > > If I connect the FCB1010 midi out directly into > the EDP's midi in, > > everything works fine... > > But if the midi out from the FCB1010 first goes > into one of the midi > devices > > (multi fx) in my rack, then I use the device's > midi thru to feed the EDP, > > the EDP doesn't respond and will sometimes do > strange things like go into > > parameter mode when I try and send a note > message... > > > > I can't believe this is happening! And it's > driving me crazy... help!!! > > > > Any ideas? Anyone? Please?? > > > > Glenn Fin > > > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 24 09:26:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0OENw119895; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 09:23:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 09:23:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040124142352.49208.qmail@web80214.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 06:23:52 -0800 (PST) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: Re: Midi Monitor To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20040124121837.22399.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com midi ox will work and it's free. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 24 10:13:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0OFBqm31751; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 10:11:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 10:11:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40128A14.4000503@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 10:07:00 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ambient Mailing List Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for January 24, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 24 12:13:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0OHB2r29010; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 12:11:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 12:11:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20040124090806.03700e40@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 09:12:09 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: SusReplace bug? In-Reply-To: <20040124120305.13181.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> References: <17e.258c728c.2d43a516@aol.com> <20040124120305.13181.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com as Andy pointed out, do you have the Loop/Delay parameter set to a different interface mode? If you are in replace mode or stutter mode, the feedback during substitute is set by the knob, while feedback during normal play is set by the pedal. You probably have that parameter set and the knob is turned down a bit. This is an advanced feature to give a lot more flexibility for substituting. kim At 04:03 AM 1/24/2004, L. Angulo wrote: >Hi Andy >sorry i meant SUSSubstitute(i always get replace and >substitute mixed up) >I have and EDP with loopIV and programmed this fuction >via New Direct MIDI.So when i press de button the old >loop starts fading out slowly instead of being >substituted right away, while the new one gets >recorded. >Any ideas? >L.a > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 24 13:13:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0OIAnr12852; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:10:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:10:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:10:39 -0500 From: GlennFin Subject: RE: King crimson stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-to: GlennFin Message-id: <000f01c3e2a5$5f879c70$3bc9c144@yourn3ty7athd5> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_X4hjXFW5WlvmgsGYrtb6ew)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_X4hjXFW5WlvmgsGYrtb6ew) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I'm surprised no one mentioned the mike stand mounted Electro-harmonix Memory man I saw AB using back in the 80's with Crimson... (and his custom Fender Mustang!) Glenn Fin Bruford - Fripp - Wetton - Cross (the best Crimson lineup I.M.H.O.) --Boundary_(ID_X4hjXFW5WlvmgsGYrtb6ew) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
I'm surprised no one mentioned the mike stand mounted Electro-harmonix Memory man I saw AB using back in the 80's with Crimson...
 
(and his custom Fender Mustang!)
 
Glenn Fin
 
 
 
Bruford - Fripp - Wetton - Cross (the best Crimson lineup I.M.H.O.)
 
--Boundary_(ID_X4hjXFW5WlvmgsGYrtb6ew)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 24 13:25:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0OIM8Q16565; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:22:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:22:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040124182201.26871.qmail@web41012.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 10:22:01 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Sussubstitue bug? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040124090806.03700e40@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes i ve discovered by trial and error another great feature of the EDP! thanx! L.a --- Kim Flint wrote: > as Andy pointed out, do you have the Loop/Delay > parameter set to a > different interface mode? If you are in replace mode > or stutter mode, the > feedback during substitute is set by the knob, while > feedback during normal > play is set by the pedal. You probably have that > parameter set and the knob > is turned down a bit. This is an advanced feature to > give a lot more > flexibility for substituting. > > kim > > At 04:03 AM 1/24/2004, L. Angulo wrote: > >Hi Andy > >sorry i meant SUSSubstitute(i always get replace > and > >substitute mixed up) > >I have and EDP with loopIV and programmed this > fuction > >via New Direct MIDI.So when i press de button the > old > >loop starts fading out slowly instead of being > >substituted right away, while the new one gets > >recorded. > >Any ideas? > >L.a > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > http://www.loopers-delight.com > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 24 15:19:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0OKGT509634; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 15:16:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 15:16:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 15:16:21 -0500 From: GlennFin Subject: Re: FCB1010 EDP MIDI thru problem? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-to: GlennFin Message-id: <002401c3e2b6$ef48d980$3bc9c144@yourn3ty7athd5> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_2wyCbEqeIeNTvPpeKd3plQ)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_2wyCbEqeIeNTvPpeKd3plQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Well, I just spent several hours troubleshooting with midi-ox and here's what I found... First of all, I was wrong when I originally stated the problem was happening will all the devices in my rack, it only happens with the Eventide Eclipse!!! Here's what I did.... (yes, I used the same cables for all these tests...) Setup my FCB1010 so button 9 is EDP record (note# 38) and button 10 is overdub (note# 39) Connected the MIDI out from the FCB1010 into the MIDI in of the G-force, MIDI thru of G-force to EDP MIDI in; Works great.... record - overdub no problem!!! then I proceded to do the same thing, one by one replacing the G-force with other devices in my rack, same results no problem until I got to the Eclipse!... problem! When the Eclipe MIDI thru is feeding the EDP, no response!! I then used MIDI-OX to first observe the MIDI data coming directly out of the FCB1010 when pressing buttons 9 and 10 (record - overdub) then connected the FCB to Eclipse, and watched the MIDI data at the Eclipse Thru.... EXACTLY THE SAME!!! (which it should be, right?) then connected the EDP and looked at the midi thru data coming out of the EDP....SAME AGAIN!!! ARGHHHHH!!!!! To further add to this mystery, the Eclipse causes no problems with the other effects in the rack with regards to program changes. In other words, the Eclipse MIDI thru port appears to be working correctly according to MIDI-OX and the fact that it's passing program changes with it's thru port to all the other devices.... Now, I'm no MIDI novice, I've been using MIDI since the beginning (1980's) I've worked on many complex midi rigs, and I'm an electronics engineer by trade... but this problem is kicking me bigtime!!! what the heck is it!!!.... is it a timing issue? ?? Since the EDP is using midi note messages, the only thing I can think of to try would be to plug the output of a midi keyboard into the eclipse, and feed the midi thru of the Eclipse to a sound module and give a listen for anything strange... Glenn Fin --Boundary_(ID_2wyCbEqeIeNTvPpeKd3plQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Well, I just spent several hours troubleshooting with midi-ox and here's what I found...
 
First of all, I was wrong when I originally stated the problem was happening will all the devices in my rack, it only happens with the Eventide Eclipse!!!
 
Here's what I did....  (yes, I used the same cables for all these tests...)
 
Setup my FCB1010 so button 9 is EDP record (note# 38) and button 10 is overdub (note# 39)
 
Connected the MIDI out from the FCB1010 into the MIDI in of the G-force, MIDI thru of G-force to EDP MIDI in;
 Works great.... record - overdub no problem!!! then I proceded to do the same thing, one by one replacing the G-force with other devices in my rack, same results no problem until I got to the Eclipse!... problem! When the Eclipe MIDI thru is feeding the EDP, no response!!
 
I then used MIDI-OX to first observe the MIDI data coming directly out of the FCB1010 when pressing buttons 9 and 10 (record - overdub) then connected the FCB to Eclipse, and watched the MIDI data at the Eclipse Thru.... EXACTLY THE SAME!!! (which it should be, right?)
then connected the EDP and looked at the midi thru data coming out of the EDP....SAME AGAIN!!! ARGHHHHH!!!!!
 
To further add to this mystery, the Eclipse causes no problems with the other effects in the rack with regards to program changes.
In other words, the Eclipse MIDI thru port appears to be working correctly according to MIDI-OX and the fact that it's passing program changes with it's thru port to all the other devices....
 
Now, I'm no MIDI novice, I've been using MIDI since the beginning (1980's) I've worked on many complex midi rigs, and I'm an electronics engineer by trade... but this problem is kicking me bigtime!!! what the heck is it!!!.... is it a timing issue? ??
 
Since the EDP is using midi note messages, the only thing I can think of to try would be to plug the output of a midi keyboard into the eclipse, and feed the midi thru of the Eclipse  to a sound module and give a listen for anything strange...
 
Glenn Fin
 
 
 
--Boundary_(ID_2wyCbEqeIeNTvPpeKd3plQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 24 16:23:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0OLK4j24359; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 16:20:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 16:20:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4012E09F.4000604@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 16:16:15 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #357 for January 22, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #357 January 22, 2004 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Ian Boddy, who has been on the European electronica scene since the '70s. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Triptych" on the DiN label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Crystal Machine" by Tim Blake on Egg Records. Ian Boddy - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/focus04.html#jan PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Tim Blake Synthes Intemporel Crystal Machine (Egg) Robert Rich and State of Flux Outpost (DiN) Ian Boddy Robert Rich Sharpening Her Talons Bestiary (Relapse) Robert Rich and Elemental Trigger Stalker (Fathom/HoS) B. Lustmord Richard Pinhas Aboulafia Blues Tranzition (Cuneiform) Dave Peck Fluid I Endo-Spectra (none) Hemisphere Energy Brand Beast in the Heat (Groove) 12:00 am Boddy, Reuter, Mullaney Sienna Daze Triptych (DiN) Boddy, Reuter, Mullaney Mystertronic Triptych (DiN) Boddy, Reuter, Mullaney Triptych: First Image Triptych (DiN) Boddy, Reuter, Mullaney Triptych: Second Triptych (DiN) Transmission Boddy, Reuter, Mullaney Triptych: Final View Triptych (DiN) Boddy, Reuter, Mullaney Ionosphere Triptych (DiN) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Ian Boddy. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Caged" by Ian Boddy and Chris Carter on the DiN label. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Clockwork Orange" by Wendy Carlos on Columbia Records. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 24 17:19:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0OMCWU05555; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 17:12:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 17:12:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 14:12:11 -0800 Subject: Re: King crimson stuff From: To: looper people Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000f01c3e2a5$5f879c70$3bc9c144@yourn3ty7athd5> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3157798331_166735_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3157798331_166735_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I'm surprised no one mentioned the mike stand mounted Electro-harmonix Memory man I saw AB using back in the 80's with Crimson... Glenn Fin wow thats a late post- anyway, it was a on the mike stand. s --MS_Mac_OE_3157798331_166735_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: King crimson stuff
I'm surprised no one mentioned the mike stan= d mounted Electro-harmonix Memory man I saw AB using back in the 80's with C= rimson...
Glenn Fin




wow thats a late post-
anyway, it was a <EH polychorus> on the mike stand.
s --MS_Mac_OE_3157798331_166735_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 24 17:27:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0OMK1o06938; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 17:20:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 17:20:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 17:19:56 -0500 From: GlennFin Subject: Re: King crimson stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-to: GlennFin Message-id: <000f01c3e2c8$328a8020$3bc9c144@yourn3ty7athd5> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_G9SjIOkcZpR7ZkHwJTtRfA)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_G9SjIOkcZpR7ZkHwJTtRfA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Re: King crimson stuff wow thats a late post- What can I say, I'm slow! anyway, it was a on the mike stand. Thought it was a memory man, but hey... I've been wrong before!! I'm trying to remember where it was that I got a close-up look at it.... ......"talk...its only talk..." Glenn Fin --Boundary_(ID_G9SjIOkcZpR7ZkHwJTtRfA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Re: King crimson stuff

 
wow thats a late post-
 
What can I say, I'm slow! <grin>
 
 
 

anyway, it was a <EH polychorus> on the mike stand.
 
Thought it was a memory man, but hey... I've been wrong before!!
I'm trying to remember where it was that I got a close-up look at it....
......"talk...its only talk..."
 
Glenn Fin
 
 
 
 
--Boundary_(ID_G9SjIOkcZpR7ZkHwJTtRfA)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 24 18:45:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0ONdmQ23840; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 18:39:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 18:39:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003e01c3e2d5$4c296ac0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Glenn Love Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 18:53:42 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday January 27th - Glenn Love Glenn Love's recent live performances have emphasized a more downtempo ambient chill factor than the dark ambient trance found on his first CD "Cruel Utopia". Over the past year Glenn has been playing at Dark Rave on a regular basis and promoted his new material in Europe last summer. A new release is currently in the works. For his live shows, Glenn's original loops, sounds and beats are blended with live improvision over sequences. Low-key lazers and a little fog for atmosphere are also planned. http://www.glennlove.com Between Sets CD - "Life Sequence" by Steve Roach (Timeroom) Burbling, percolating, interlocked sequences are the heart and the heartbeat of this new collection of electronic works by Roach recorded from 1988 to 2003. Two of the recent pieces are collaborations with Paul Ellis of Dweller at the Threshold. http://www.steveroach.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday February 3rd - holzkopf and ANGELswing http://www.daintydeathy.com http://www.darkwinter.com/dw04.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Bioluminescence" by Silvercord Ushered in by a chilling static out of which a slight melody drifts, "Bioluminescence" by Silvercord paints a picture of a world between worlds, where magic and energy meet as one. Comprised mostly of instrumental pieces, "Bioluminescence" grows & develops on the ideas of Silercord's first album and presents an even more focused vision of wonder rising & falling. Each song (numbered conveniently from i to viii) is a thing of sweeping, undulating charms, where sound passes gently through the songs, like phantoms passing through the world of the living. A bell here, an imagined voice there, it all adds up to create something almost alive in it's beauty. I've been listening to Silvercord's work pretty intently for a while now, and I can assure you that they are well worth checking out. Rarely have I come across a band with such an ability to not only create a mood or an image, but an entire environment as well. On "Bioluminescence" there are worlds within worlds, each more beautiful than the last, and each worth exploring for yourself. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at *ping things* http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 25 06:38:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0PBaac08744; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 06:36:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 06:36:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <1d0.185b2518.2d450441@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 06:36:33 EST Subject: Re: Re: SusReplace bug? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 24/01/04 18:28:32 GMT Standard Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > Hi Andy > sorry i meant SUSSubstitute(i always get replace and > substitute mixed up) > I have and EDP with loopIV and programmed this fuction > via New Direct MIDI.So when i press de button the old > loop starts fading out slowly instead of being > substituted right away, while the new one gets > recorded. > Any ideas? > L.a > What appears to be happenning here is that the EDP thinks it has a feedback pedal connected. In which case, during Substitute the feedback value is taken from the front panel feedback control. (not the expected "zero" which is what happens for Subst with no pedal attached). Check this out by changing front panel fbk when the bug occurs. If that's the problem, then might be cured by shoving a jack into the fbk socket a few times, ...or by opening EDP and cleaning the contacts on the jack socket. ( those sockets have a switch which opens when the jack is inserted). hope that helps andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 25 07:10:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0PC8Yw15187; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 07:08:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 07:08:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040125120826.67122.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 04:08:26 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Re: SusReplace bug? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1d0.185b2518.2d450441@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanx andy this is exactly the case cheers L.a --- SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 24/01/04 18:28:32 GMT Standard > Time, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com > writes: > > > Hi Andy > > sorry i meant SUSSubstitute(i always get replace > and > > substitute mixed up) > > I have and EDP with loopIV and programmed this > fuction > > via New Direct MIDI.So when i press de button the > old > > loop starts fading out slowly instead of being > > substituted right away, while the new one gets > > recorded. > > Any ideas? > > L.a > > > > What appears to be happenning here is that the > EDP thinks it has a feedback pedal connected. > In which case, during Substitute the feedback value > is taken from the front panel feedback control. > (not the expected "zero" which is what happens for > > Subst with no pedal attached). > > Check this out by changing front panel fbk > when the bug occurs. > > If that's the problem, then might be cured by > shoving a jack into the fbk socket a few times, > ...or by opening EDP and cleaning the contacts > on the jack socket. > ( those sockets have a switch which opens when the > jack > is inserted). > > hope that helps > > andy > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 25 17:47:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0PMkgS14776; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 17:46:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 17:46:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <17b.24977e97.2d45a14d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 17:46:37 EST Subject: Reminder! Dutch-American composer/improviser in San Antonio, texas on Sunday gig spam To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_17b.24977e97.2d45a14d_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_17b.24977e97.2d45a14d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_17b.24977e97.2d45a14d_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-xg06.mx.aol.com (rly-xg06.mail.aol.com [172.20.115.197]) by air-xg03.mail.aol.com (v97.18) with ESMTP id MAILINXG33-705401350d15; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 00:15:14 -0500 Received: from web20506.mail.yahoo.com (web20506.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.141]) by rly-xg06.mx.aol.com (v97.10) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXG67-705401350d15; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 00:14:57 -0500 Message-ID: <20040125051457.83568.qmail@web20506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.170.90.142] by web20506.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 21:14:57 PST Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 21:14:57 -0800 (PST) From: sanford nowlin Subject: Reminder! Dutch-American composer/improviser in SA on Sunday To: improv_sa@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 216.136.226.141 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Just a reminder that this event is on SUNDAY. Hope to see you there! MARY OLIVER, DUTCH-AMERICAN VIOLINIST/ COMPOSER/IMPROVISOR PERFORMS SOLO WORKS AND IMPROVS WITH SAN ANTONIO MUSICIANS: SUNDAY JANUARY 25, 2004 8PM Art Lodge PW 16 2301 South Presa (between Carolina and Steves) San Antonio TX $7 Info: 710-3808 Mary Oliver includes San Antonio in her US tour of her own virtuosic solo works for violin, viola, and hardinger fiddle on Sunday, Jan. 25 at 8PM at the Art Lodge PW 16, located at 2301 South Presa (between Carolina and Steves). San Antonio musicians joining her for a set of improvisations will include violinist Jane Henry (who also spent 5 years in Amsterdam), James Cobb (sax/keyboard), Sanford Allen (dobro), and James Sidlo (guitar). Living in Amsterdam since 1994, American musician MARY OLIVER has been working with a variety of cutting-edge groups, ranging from the Ensemble Modern of Köln to the Instant Composers' Pool of Amsterdam, collaborating with the likes of Misha Mengelberg, Joelle Leandre, Ab Baars, Han Bennink, and Brian Ferneyhough. In addition to creating and performing virtuosic new works for solo violin, viola, and hardinger fiddle, she is also musical director of the Magpie Music Dance Company. Her current US solo tour includes dates at the Art Institute of Chicago, CalArts, Mills College, and other venues in California, Austin, Houston, and Milwaulkee. Ms. Oliver holds a Phd. in Music from U.C. San Diego, with a dissertation on the theory and practice of improvised music. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ --part1_17b.24977e97.2d45a14d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 25 20:59:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0Q1vME22091; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 20:57:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 20:57:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 02:57:14 +0100 Subject: EDP is fantastic!!!!! From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040124182201.26871.qmail@web41012.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Thank you, Aurisis, for putting out LOOP4! Today I recorded this guitar improvisation http://www.boysen.se/studio/edp_strat_01.mp3 and had a great time with loop4 and EDP slaved to a drum box! When you run the EDP in slave mode you can jump between HalfSpeed and FullSpeed and cut audio slices in and out without affecting the tempo. This was almost a new experience for me. I've never actually been slaving the EDP before, since I have usually been running it as the sync master to stay free to change tempo in the fly. But then you have to live also with the fact that HalfSpeed means half the tempo. Not today though! Today my EDP made its debut as Slave ;-) -- Best wishes Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 25 21:58:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0Q2tQY00334; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 21:55:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 21:55:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 21:55:09 -0500 Subject: Website and CD announcement From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3157912510_921244" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3157912510_921244 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hello everyone, It=B9s been a frigid, flu-riddled winter here in Boston (and it=B9s only January!), but on the bright side, the long-promised, long-procrastinated website redesign is finally done.=20 There are two loop-based projects with mp3s to feast your ears on at http://www.envelopeproductions.com Along with some fun images. I also wanted to thank Rick Walker for his kind words (below) about my solo bass CD, ghost 7=8B New Directions In Static, which is also finally done cooking. You can hear a few tracks on the website. Says Rick--=20 I also really enjoyed ghost7, dan soltzberg's bass looping project. He has some beautiful and abstract loops that he created, frequently transcending the normal role of the bass guitar. It is a very minimalist and abstract affair (after my own aesthetic heart), and I particularly liked his use of programmed drum machine (something I'm normally very critical of being a drummer/programmer). The other salient feature of this recording is that he recorded and looped this project live with no overdubs, no mean feat. I really enjoyed it and recommend it for purchase. ---------- Send me an email if you=B9re interested in obtaining the whole CD. -Dan ghost 7/ Orange http://www.envelopeproductions.com d.ans@rcn.com --B_3157912510_921244 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Website and CD announcement Hello everyone,

It’s been a frigid, flu-riddled winter here in Boston (and it’s= only January!), but
on the bright side, the long-promised, long-procrastinated website redesign= is finally done.

There are two loop-based projects with mp3s to feast your ears on

at

http://www.envelopeproductions.com


Along with some fun images.

I also wanted to thank Rick Walker for his kind words (below) about my solo= bass CD, ghost 7— New Directions In Static, which is also fina= lly done cooking. You can hear a few tracks on the website.

Says Rick--

I also really enjoyed ghost7, dan soltzberg's bass looping project. He h= as some beautiful and abstract loops that he created, frequently transcendin= g the normal role of the bass guitar. It is a very minimalist and abstract a= ffair (after my own aesthetic heart), and I particularly liked his use of pr= ogrammed drum machine (something I'm normally very critical of being a drumm= er/programmer).

The other salient feature of this recording is that he recorded and looped = this project live with no overdubs, no mean feat. I really enjoyed it and re= commend it for purchase.

----------

Send me an email if you’re interested in obtaining the whole CD.<= BR>
-Dan

ghost 7/ Orange
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--B_3157912510_921244-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 25 23:01:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0Q3x0b14483; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:59:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:59:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c3e3c0$b8e95030$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: References: <200401260258.i0Q2wOI01100@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: The EDP as Slave Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 19:58:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per Boysen wrote: "Today my EDP made its debut as Slave ;-) " Wow, I always knew that the amazing Echoplex had it in itelf to be a true bottom. This will make the entire Looping BDSM community very happy, indeed. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 26 00:35:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0Q5XCi32447; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 00:33:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 00:33:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: "'Looper's Delight'" Subject: MIDI Pedal Available Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 21:33:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcPjzd6sFgQonAAqR/upM5fP4RGKUw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I sold mine but am still receiving mail from the Yahoo list--I pass this along for those who want MIDI foot power! Gary hey_che [hey_che@yahoo.com] wrote: I'm selling my Mitigator for $150. I've got the original power supply and manual. If you're interested and want some pics or other info please email me. Thanks, Che From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 26 01:33:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0Q6Ugc09869; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 01:30:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 01:30:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20040125222655.0328b180@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:31:49 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: The EDP as Slave In-Reply-To: <003001c3e3c0$b8e95030$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <200401260258.i0Q2wOI01100@hemlock.violacea.com> <003001c3e3c0$b8e95030$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anybody know where I can find a nipple clamp that fits the feedback knob? sorry if this has been asked before, but I did check the FAQ and the archive first and didn't find the answer. thx, kim At 07:58 PM 1/25/2004, loop.pool wrote: >Per Boysen wrote: >"Today my EDP made its >debut as Slave ;-) " > >Wow, I always knew that the amazing Echoplex had it in itelf to >be a true bottom. This will make the entire Looping BDSM >community very happy, indeed. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 26 04:21:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0Q9Kfi06779; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 04:20:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 04:20:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c3e3ed$a8efd4b0$0100a8c0@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <200401260258.i0Q2wOI01100@hemlock.violacea.com> <003001c3e3c0$b8e95030$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <6.0.1.1.2.20040125222655.0328b180@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: The EDP as Slave Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:20:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <71d6S.A.0pB.pvNFAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Kim try harder, the archives search engine doesnt deliver everytime feedback is controler nb1 but you need a pmc10 for niplpe power sorry for my enlish Claude > Does anybody know where I can find a nipple clamp that fits the feedback knob? > > sorry if this has been asked before, but I did check the FAQ and the > archive first and didn't find the answer. > > thx, > kim > > At 07:58 PM 1/25/2004, loop.pool wrote: > >Per Boysen wrote: > >"Today my EDP made its > >debut as Slave ;-) " > > > >Wow, I always knew that the amazing Echoplex had it in itelf to > >be a true bottom. This will make the entire Looping BDSM > >community very happy, indeed. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 26 05:56:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0QAsvQ21649; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 05:54:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 05:54:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:54:50 +0100 Subject: Re: EDP/loop5 softie wish (was: The EDP as Slave (was: EDP is fantastic!!!!!)) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040125222655.0328b180@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > At 07:58 PM 1/25/2004, loop.pool wrote: >> Per Boysen wrote: >> "Today my EDP made its >> debut as Slave ;-) " >> >> Wow, I always knew that the amazing Echoplex had it in itelf to >> be a true bottom. This will make the entire Looping BDSM >> community very happy, indeed. On 04-01-26 07.31, "Kim Flint" wrote: > Does anybody know where I can find a nipple clamp that fits the feedback knob? > He, he... Well, what I REALLY want is Logic as slave ;-) but since I upgraded the studio from PC/WinXP to Mac G5/OS10.3.2 Logic simply refuses to take on the slave role. That kind of kicked me into having it the other way around. And the good thing with slaving EDP is that you can create bass lines by punching in notes ("sustitute insert") before going into HalfSpeed. If I should do that with EDP as master I would as well have the tempo cut down to half speed, which is not what you might like all the time. So this lead me to post this humble wish for any eventual future EDP software upgrade to let us go into HalfSpeed without changing the Midi Clock tempo sent out. Actually I would prefer this as an option. I'd like to see a menu that let's you chose between (1) Midi Clock following HalfSpeed or (2) Midi Clock keeping it up during HalfSpeed (he, he... staying on topic here ;-) It's nice to play cut-up styled with the EDP but when this forces you to run it in slave mode you loose out on spontaneity IMHO. On the other hand, with EDP as master you can start out a concert by just hitting any note without too much planning, because you know that whatever you do all midi gear will follow your EDP. -- Best wishes Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 26 07:19:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0QCHex04342; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 07:17:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 07:17:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-22.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1075119454!7211431 X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.15; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533F4C@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: powertran mcs-1 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:09:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3E405.45117FD0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3E405.45117FD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I don't know how many of you will have even heard of this unit. most of the existing machines will have been built from kits in the mid 80s by readers of a UK electronics magazine that I haven't seen for years. the instructions were spread over three or four editions and included a theory-of-sampling-technology guide. after a few years of gathering dust (because of jam-mans and repeaters), mine found it's way back into the studio yesterday. the machine is a monophonic 8-bit sampler that can be played with cv&gate or over midi, but it doubles as a delay line. it has a colossal 64kb of memory and the master clock can be wobbled with an LFO, so that it can be used as a chorus/flanger/phaser. the designers (orr and monkhouse, according to the rear panel) distinguish amongst these three in terms of the base delay time involved. it's a deep 2U box made of the same iron as WW1 tanks and has a 4-1/2 digit LED display legible from the moon. the buttons will outlast most wedding rings. there are four analogue knobs (input level, w/ clip LED, repeat, output balance and "tune"- more on this later) and a rotary encoder. everything on the circuit board seems to be at least half-an-inch from it's nearest neighbour. there are adjustments for the amount of ram it can write to, the master sampling frequency, the number of poles of filtering (it's got a decent tracking filter), pre-emphasis on/off (which they call noise reduction), "sweep" range and depth (the LFO, which can be engaged in any mode and goes from barely noticeable to insane, both in depth and speed), gate or trigger, midi channel, BBC microcomputer interface (the venerable beeb micro was how you saved samples- one per 64k floppy disc). other buttons switch between sampler and delay-line modes and, in this latter, engage "freeze" which stops further writing to the memory. this can be done with a footswitch too. if "freeze" is on, a momentary footswitch disengages it temporarily, and vice versa. nice touch, that. the tune control, an analogue pot poking through the front panel, has an enormous range- probably about three octaves altogether. this is one of it's best features. how I use it: I /never/ use the sampler mode- it's always in delay line mode with the maximum amount of ram and with the sample rate at half the default value. I don't know what the exact number is but I suspect it's about 16kHz, so an effective bandwidth of about 6kHz.... because of the noise reduction, dbx companding and pre-emphasis, it's not quite as lo-fi as one might expect. this is with the tune control centred and the LFO off, giving about 8 seconds of delay/recording time. so I'll be feeding audio into it from an aux on the studio desk, and using a footswitch to unfreeze it and grab bits of audio. the repeat level control functions like the "overdub" level on a repeater, so that existing sounds can be gradually erased, or not. obviously, it's not synchronised to anything (though I've toyed with the idea of adding this somehow), but by judicious use of the tune control, it can be made to stay roughly in sync with other devices. having acquired some interesting audio into it, I can then apply the LFO and/or start using the footswitch to make little gaps appear in the frozen audio (the repeat turned right down), or throwing the tune control around, or altering the amount of ram or the sample rate..... it really is the most fun. looping in a tempo-free world. I'd suggest adding this info, and a picture, to the appropriate section of the looper's site... and recommend that we all watch out for one of these machines popping up on the 2nd hand market. I'm hanging on to mine- obviously; the only thing wrong with it is that it's a bit too big to gig with these days. the nearest commercial device that compares to it is the bel BD80 delay line. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. 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I don't know how many of you will have even heard of this= unit. most of the existing machines will have been built from kits in the = mid 80s by readers of a UK electronics magazine that I haven't seen for yea= rs. the instructions were spread over three or four editions and included a= theory-of-sampling-technology guide.

after a few years of gathering dust (because of jam-mans = and repeaters), mine found it's way back into the studio yesterday.<= /P>

 
the machine is a monophonic 8-bit sampler that can be pl= ayed with cv&gate or over midi, but it doubles as a delay line. it has = a colossal 64kb of memory and the master clock can be wobbled with an LFO, = so that it can be used as a chorus/flanger/phaser. the designers (orr and m= onkhouse, according to the rear panel) distinguish amongst these three in t= erms of the base delay time involved.

it's a deep 2U box made of the same iron as WW1 tanks and= has a 4-1/2 digit LED display legible from the moon. the buttons will outl= ast most wedding rings. there are four analogue knobs (input level, w/ clip= LED, repeat, output balance and "tune"- more on this later) and = a rotary encoder. everything on the circuit board seems to be at least half= -an-inch from it's nearest neighbour.

there are adjustments for the amount of ram it can write = to, the master sampling frequency, the number of poles of filtering (it's g= ot a decent tracking filter), pre-emphasis on/off (which they call noise re= duction), "sweep" range and depth (the LFO, which can be engaged = in any mode and goes from barely noticeable to insane, both in depth and sp= eed), gate or trigger, midi channel, BBC microcomputer interface (the vener= able beeb micro was how you saved samples- one per 64k floppy disc).=

other buttons switch between sampler and delay-line modes= and, in this latter, engage "freeze" which stops further writing= to the memory. this can be done with a footswitch too. if "freeze&quo= t; is on, a momentary footswitch disengages it temporarily, and vice versa.= nice touch, that.

the tune control, an analogue pot poking through the fron= t panel, has an enormous range- probably about three octaves altogether. th= is is one of it's best features.

how I use it: I /never/ use the sampler mode- it's always= in delay line mode with the maximum amount of ram and with the sample rate= at half the default value. I don't know what the exact number is but I sus= pect it's about 16kHz, so an effective bandwidth of about 6kHz.... because = of the noise reduction, dbx companding and pre-emphasis, it's not quite as = lo-fi as one might expect.

this is with the tune control centred and the LFO off, gi= ving about 8 seconds of delay/recording time.
so I'll be feeding audio into it from an aux on the stud= io desk, and using a footswitch to unfreeze it and grab bits of audio.

the repeat level control functions like the "overdub= " level on a repeater, so that existing sounds can be gradually erased= , or not.

obviously, it's not synchronised to anything (though I've= toyed with the idea of adding this somehow), but by judicious use of the t= une control, it can be made to stay roughly in sync with other devices. hav= ing acquired some interesting audio into it, I can then apply the LFO and/o= r start using the footswitch to make little gaps appear in the frozen audio= (the repeat turned right down), or throwing the tune control around, or al= tering the amount of ram or the sample rate.....

it really is the most fun. looping in a tempo-free world.=

I'd suggest adding this info, and a picture, to the appro= priate section of the looper's site... and recommend that we all watch out = for one of these machines popping up on the 2nd hand market. I'm hanging on= to mine- obviously; the only thing wrong with it is that it's a bit too bi= g to gig with these days.

the nearest commercial device that compares to it is the = bel BD80 delay line.

duncan/r.m.i.




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------_=_NextPart_001_01C3E405.45117FD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 26 11:36:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0QGVrK17602; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:31:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:31:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:32:39 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: powertran mcs-1 In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533F4C@LON-MAIL07> Message-ID: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533F4C@LON-MAIL07> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <6oWrXB.A.6SE.5DUFAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > I don't know how many of you will have even heard of this unit. most of the existing machines will have been built from kits in the mid 80s by readers of a UK electronics magazine that I haven't seen for years. the instructions were spread over three or four editions and included a theory-of-sampling-technology guide. [snip of detailed and fascinating description] I found a picture of it on the Web, on http://www.synrise.de/html/t_p.htm about halfway down the page. (direct link to pic) http://www.synrise.de/images/mcs1.jpg best, Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 26 16:21:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0QLC7515961; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 16:12:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 16:12:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <401585E4.4615A564@erols.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 16:25:57 -0500 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: New Jersey Looping Show with Andre LaFosse, John Mazzarella, and Peter Beidermann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Friday, January 30th, 8pm-11pm The Town Grind 25 East Main Street 973-625-9666 BIG LOOPING SHOW w/John Mazzarella, Peter Beidermann, and Andre Lafosse $3. Cover This is a call to all of you New Jersey area loopers out there. There will be a triple bill looping performance featuring John Mazzarella, Peter Beidermann, and Andre Lafosse on Friday, January 30th at The Town Grind in Denville, NJ. This is a rare East Coast opportunity to see West Coast based Andre Lafosse in an intimate venue like the Town Grind. For those of you who are not familiar with Andre’s music, he is a master guitarist, and a true innovator in the use of looping technology. Check out his website at www.altruistmusic.com. John Mazzarella www.johnmazzarella.com is a singer/songwriter looper in the vein of Howie Day and Keller Williams. He is also an accomplished alternate tuned fingerstyle guitarist and lap steel guitarist. Peter Beidermann www.peterbeidermann.com is a fantastic looping acoustic/electric guitarist in the vein of Michael Hedges and Robert Fripp. It should be a great show Hope to see you there, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 26 17:27:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0QMJmF30348; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 17:19:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 17:19:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <7e.45989e98.2d46ead2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 17:12:34 EST Subject: Re: New Jersey Looping Show with Andre LaFosse, John Mazzarella, and Peter B... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7e.45989e98.2d46ead2_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_7e.45989e98.2d46ead2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/26/04 4:13:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, jmazzarella@erols.com writes: > BIG LOOPING SHOW w/John Mazzarella, Peter Beidermann, and Andre > Lafosse > $3. Cover > WOW!!!!.....bring the show to pittsburgh.....:) --part1_7e.45989e98.2d46ead2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a me= ssage dated 1/26/04 4:13:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, jmazzarella@erols.com=20= writes:


BIG LOOPING SHOW w/John Mazzare= lla, Peter Beidermann, and Andre
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WOW!!!!.....bring the show to pittsburgh.....:)
--part1_7e.45989e98.2d46ead2_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 26 18:09:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0QMw5s05407; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 17:58:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 17:58:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1d7.18d06384.2d46f570@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 17:57:52 EST Subject: FAUX VOIX To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1d7.18d06384.2d46f570_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1d7.18d06384.2d46f570_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yo yo yo eh?.....looppools latest FAUX VOIX is a wacky treat.....i love it.....mr walker has set aside his usual cast of instruments and looked inside his funky self and found his "voice".....what can we do if we use just our voice as an input device?.....AKKAPELLA has been around for forever still mr walker makes it so fresh and nuevo!.....i do fear however that mr. walker is turning more to the DARK FORCE with his wonderful computer chops.....:).....at y2k3 mr walker dabbled in some "strickly vocal" loops and whet my appetite to hear more of his work in this direction, FAUX VOIX nicely takes care of that desire.....beat, melody, harmony and meaningful timeless lyrics and lest we forget lots-o-loops, what more could you want?.....great work.....michael --part1_1d7.18d06384.2d46f570_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yo yo y= o eh?.....looppools latest FAUX VOIX is a wacky treat.....i love it..= ...mr walker has set aside his usual cast of instruments and looked inside h= is funky self and found his "voice".....what can we do if we use just our vo= ice as an input device?.....AKKAPELLA has been around for forever still mr w= alker makes it so fresh and nuevo!.....i do fear however that mr. walker is=20= turning more to the DARK FORCE with his wonderful computer chops.....:).....= at y2k3 mr walker dabbled in some "strickly vocal" loops and whet my appetit= e to hear more of his work in this direction, FAUX VOIX nicely takes care of= that desire.....beat, melody, harmony and meaningful timeless lyrics and le= st we forget lots-o-loops, what more could you want?.....great work.....mich= ael
--part1_1d7.18d06384.2d46f570_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 27 14:27:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0RJE4l04661; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:14:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:14:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <85.3f4ff60.2d481269@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:13:45 EST Subject: THREE TALES To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_85.3f4ff60.2d481269_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: <8CK86C.A.vIB.8hrFAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_85.3f4ff60.2d481269_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IFC (independent film channel) has been playing THREE TALES by STEPHEN REICH and BERYL KOROT, a video opera about: the hindenberg/bikini atoll/molley the sheep.....beautiful.....what a collaboration.....michael --part1_85.3f4ff60.2d481269_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable IFC (in= dependent film channel) has been playing  THREE TALES by STEPHEN REICH=20= and BERYL KOROT, a video opera about: the hindenberg/bikini atoll/molley the= sheep.....beautiful.....what a collaboration.....michael --part1_85.3f4ff60.2d481269_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 27 18:03:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0RMplC15190; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:51:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:51:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <36198.204.253.137.213.1075243908.squirrel@204.253.137.213> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:51:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: Where to buy an Echoplex From: "Daren Burns" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: daren@darenburns.com User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail X-Mailer: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all, First post here. I'm have been trying to acquire an Echoplex and I was told from Sweetwater, Altomusic and Musiciansfriend that they are out of stock and back ordered. The rep at Sweetwater said they've been backordered for awhile in fact. Does anyone on the list know if Gibson is going to be shipping anymore units, are there other web places which have them in stock, or is used the only way now? Thanks in advance for any info. -- Daren Burns Bass Player/Composer/Teacher/Good Guy www.darenburns.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 27 18:36:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0RNLAV23379; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:21:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:21:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:20:53 -0500 Subject: EDP customized pedal for sale From: "steve.sandberg" To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7F3aWB.A.LtF.mJvFAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd like to sell an EDP pedal that I customized with heavy-duty metal switches about a year and a half ago. I did it because the plastic switches the pedal comes with were always breaking on me in performance. They're noisier than the plastic switches, but if that doesn't bother you I definitely recommend it if you're a hearty stomper. The customization cost me about $200 so I'm asking $150 for the pedal (I paid about $100 for the pedal and another $200 for the switches) -- please let me know if anyone's interested. By the way, I'm selling it because I had two customized pedals, but I'm only using one EDP now. I still use the other customized one for myself - it works great. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 27 23:00:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0S3uN704914; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 22:56:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 22:56:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40173311.2030009@iinet.net.au> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 11:57:05 +0800 From: mjnoble User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: used edp - strange humming References: <002a01c3d616$7b038a40$0100a8c0@p4> In-Reply-To: <002a01c3d616$7b038a40$0100a8c0@p4> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi Andy, thanks for your reply. sorry I didn't reply sooner, but I've been away from the net a while. Anyway, I bought the EDP and have to say that I now fully apprecieate what all the fuss was about. This thing is great. No other single purchase has integrated my music making quite so much as this little beasty. Just wanted to thank Kim, yourself and Matthias, and anyone else involved in the EDP process for making a great tool/instrument/augmentation... cheers Michael Noble From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 27 23:57:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0S4j9813128; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:45:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:45:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:27:51 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance @ Zeitgeist, Friday 1.30.04 7PM - 9PM Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, collision-collusion@ai.mit.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I'll be doing video improvisations at the Zeitgeist Gallery in Cambridge, sharing the scene with DJ's, dancers and three other video artists. Should be quite an evening, hope to see some of you. > > WHO: Electrovideomove produced by 911 Gallery, Voidstar > Productions and Royal Jelly Collective > > WHAT: Video: dial 8, drT, lena and W2 > DJ's: Nauzeeaun, Ukuphambana, Grenadier, and > DJVartan play Big Beat Industrial, I.D.M, > Powernoise, Downtempo, Trip Hop and Techno > Dance: Joe Burgio, Nicole Bindler, Teresa Czepiel, Paul > Kafka-Gibbons and Heather McQuiston > > WHERE: Zeitgeist Gallery > 1353 Cambridge St. > Cambridge, MA 02139 > > WHEN: January 30, 2004 at 7pm - 9om > > COST: $8 > > RESERVATIONS: Call Heather McQuiston 617 480-9630 > > For More Info: Royal_Jelly_Collective@yahoo.com @ THE ZEITGEIST GALLERY 1353 Cambridge St. Inman Sq. Cambridge 69 Bus from Harvard Gate NEW PHONE: 617.876.6060 http://www.zeitgeist-gallery.org/ -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 28 02:25:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0S7MEv01142; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 02:22:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 02:22:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:22:04 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: asterion@hell.com Subject: SUNDAY!! Trevor Wishart at CalArts Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1136847965==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1136847965==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" ============================================================== The making of IMAGO and Demonstration of SOUND LOOM software by Trevor WISHART ============================================================== In conjunction with his January 31st performance at REDCAT (as part of the CalArts CEAIT Festival) English composer TREVOR WISHART will discuss the making of his electroacoustic piece IMAGO. Organized by American Composers Forum Technology Program California Institute of the Arts 24700 McBean Parkway Valencia, CA 90291 Room A116 - two floors below main entrance (follow the signs) Sunday, FEBRUARY 01, 2004, 3:00-5:00 PM $10 admission* *no charge for CalArts community ================================================== IMAGO, 16-channel, live diffused playback of piece that explores sound metamorphosis in which the single clink of two wine-glasses is used to generate a whole world of other sounds, from instruments to suggestions of birdsong, a strange gamelan, the sea and the human voice itself. Trevor Wishart (b. 1946) (www.trevorwishart.co.uk) is an independent composer living and working in the North of England. He is currently an Honorary Professor at the University of York. Committed to new approaches to music making, he has developed many new instruments (as signal processing software) for musical composition, is a founder member of the "Composer's Desktop Project", a composers' cooperative, and author of On Sonic Art and Audible Design. For information on TREVOR WISHART and his work, see: http://www.trevorwishart.co.uk For information on (and the latest download of) the SOUND LOOM software, see: http://www.trevorwishart.co.uk/slfull.html For information on CEAIT Festival and REDCAT, see: http://redcatweb.org/season/music/ceait.html ================================================== TREVOR WISHART (b.1946) is an independent composer living and working in the North of England. He has held residencies or visiting professorships in Australia, Canada, Holland, Sweden, and the USA and at the Universities of Cambridge, Birmingham, Nottingham and Leeds in the UK. He is currently an Honorary Professor at the University of York. His most well-known works include Red Bird (1977), awarded a Euphonie d'Or at the 1992 Bourges Festival, the Vox cycle (1980-88) first heard in full at the 1989 Proms, and Tongues Of Fire, winner of the Golden Nica for computer music at the Linz Ars Electronica Festival, 1995. His work has been commissioned by IRCAM, the Paris Biennale, the Massachusetts Council for the Arts and Humanities, the DAAD in Berlin, the French Ministry of Culture and the BBC Proms. Committed to new approaches to music making, he has developed many new instruments (as signal processing software) for musical composition, is a founder member of the "Composer's Desktop Project", a composers cooperative, and author of On Sonic Art and Audible Design. In addition he is well known for his pioneering work in taking music out of conventional venues into public open spaces, youth clubs, schools and other community venues, and developing workshop techniques to encourage others to develop their creative potential. The Sounds Fun books of musical games have subsequently been republished in Japanese. In the year 2000, Birthrite, a Fleeting Opera (with Max Couper and Tom Sapsford) was presented on moving barges on the Thames with performers from the Royal Opera House and Royal Ballet. He was also the sound designer for the Jorvik Viking Centre (York), the first multimedia museum installation in the UK. -- /| |\ \ \ / / < * * > ( o o ) A --============_-1136847965==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" SUNDAY!! Trevor Wishart at CalArts
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The making of IMAGO
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Demonstration of SOUND LOOM software
by Trevor WISHART
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In conjunction with his January 31st performance at REDCAT (as part of the CalArts CEAIT Festival) English composer TREVOR WISHART will discuss the making of his electroacoustic piece IMAGO.

Organized by American Composers Forum Technology Program


California Institute of the Arts
24700 McBean Parkway
Valencia, CA 90291

Room A116 - two floors below main entrance (follow the signs)

Sunday, FEBRUARY 01, 2004, 3:00-5:00 PM

$10 admission*

*no charge for CalArts community

==================================================

IMAGO, 16-channel, live diffused playback of piece that explores sound metamorphosis in which the single clink of two wine-glasses is used to generate a whole world of other sounds, from instruments to suggestions of birdsong, a strange gamelan, the sea and the human voice itself.
Trevor Wishart (b. 1946) (www.trevorwishart.co.uk) is an independent composer living and working in the North of England. He is currently an Honorary Professor at the University of York. Committed to new approaches to music making, he has developed many new instruments (as signal processing software) for musical composition, is a founder member of the "Composer's Desktop Project", a composers' cooperative, and author of On Sonic Art and Audible Design.


For information on TREVOR WISHART and his work, see:

http://www.trevorwishart.co.uk

For information on (and the latest download of) the SOUND LOOM software, see:

http://www.trevorwishart.co.uk/slfull.html


For information on CEAIT Festival and REDCAT, see:

http://redcatweb.org/season/music/ceait.html


==================================================

TREVOR WISHART (b.1946) is an independent composer living and working in the North of England. He has held residencies or visiting professorships in Australia, Canada, Holland, Sweden, and the USA and at the Universities of Cambridge, Birmingham, Nottingham and Leeds in the UK. He is currently an Honorary Professor at the University of York.
His most well-known works include Red Bird (1977), awarded a Euphonie d'Or at the 1992 Bourges Festival, the Vox cycle (1980-88) first heard in full at the 1989 Proms, and Tongues Of Fire, winner of the Golden Nica for computer music at the Linz Ars Electronica Festival, 1995. His work has been commissioned by IRCAM, the Paris Biennale, the Massachusetts Council for the Arts and Humanities, the DAAD in Berlin, the French Ministry of Culture and the BBC Proms.
Committed to new approaches to music making, he has developed many new instruments (as signal processing software) for musical composition, is a founder member of the "Composer's Desktop  Project", a composers cooperative, and author of On Sonic Art and Audible Design.
In  addition  he  is  well  known  for his pioneering work in taking music out of conventional venues into public open spaces, youth clubs, schools and other community venues, and developing workshop techniques to encourage others to develop their creative potential. The  Sounds Fun books of musical games have subsequently been republished in Japanese. In the year 2000, Birthrite, a Fleeting Opera (with Max Couper and Tom Sapsford) was presented on moving barges on the Thames with performers from the Royal Opera House and Royal Ballet.  He was also the sound designer for the Jorvik Viking Centre (York), the first multimedia museum installation in the UK.



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--============_-1136847965==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 28 09:52:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0SEksQ06025; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 09:46:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 09:46:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040128144652.39041.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 06:46:52 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Martin Subject: FS: EDP and FC w/ LoopIV To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Since I've been doing most of my work in the home studio with software lately, and I *really* need to pay off some credit card debt, I've gotta send my EDP off to a new home. Purchased used in late 2002, this is an original Obie EDP upgraded last year to LoopIV (I've still got the original Loop3.3 ROM, and will include with purchase) with max memory. Also includes the EFC-7 foot controller, both the original manual and the LoopIV manual, a power cord, and some spare fuses and replacement buttons for the foot controller from my personal stash. Going price is $650; payment by PayPal is preferred, but I'll take a money order or cashier's check. Email me offlist at coirbidh_99(at)yahoo.com. If I don't have an offer by Friday evening, it goes to the eBay masses. Thanks! Later, Scott ===== Scott Martin coirbidh_99@yahoo.com Beauty - no matter how disturbing or how still - is always true. Don't be afraid to let go of the things you know. Defy your weaker, safer self. Create. Make music. -Sonny Sharrock __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 29 10:59:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0TFpvY05342; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 10:51:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 10:51:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.108.190.114] X-Originating-Email: [wolfereeno@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wolfereeno@hotmail.com From: "wolfereeno" To: Subject: OT: Multitrack recording question Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 10:51:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcPfkBxTpl8KRDdCS+6u3cJNOwXayAAJ610w In-Reply-To: <200401201950.i0KJoLv25110@hemlock.violacea.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Sender: wolfereeno@hotmail.com x-originating-ip: [66.108.190.114] x-originating-email: [wolfereeno@hotmail.com] Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jan 2004 15:51:51.0554 (UTC) FILETIME=[CFA68E20:01C3E67F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a bunch of 4 track cassette tapes that I've been moving over to the computer. I've got a Delta1010 card and have been recording them using any number of tools (Vegas, Nuendo, Sonar...) so I end up with 4 very large (45 min) mono wav files per tape. The files contain multiple songs but also a lot of dead space as well as things I don't want to keep. My question has to with finding a convenient way to edit down the wav files and separate the songs I want to keep into separate projects. I haven't been able to find a good way to do it yet. I'd like to simply copy 4 tracks simultaneously to 4 new tracks to be saved as 4 shorter wav files. Those audio workstations I've used copy the tracks no problem, but they don't actually modify (or even copy) the underlying wav files, so different projects end up sharing the same base wavs. This causes a lot of headaches. I'd rather work with each project having it's own shortened wav files and delete the originals. If I just use soundforge, I have to do 1 track at a time and then it becomes a lot of work to keep them properly aligned. I could make a copy of the 4 original tracks for each sub project and then use something like Vegas' clean up process which it trims the parts of the wavs that fall outside of the project's 'scope'. But that would take a lot of time and space. Ideally I'd like to just breeze through with something like Sound Forge, cutting and pasting 4 tracks at a time and save the results to different directories. Any tools excel at this kind of thing? I've taken some time off from working on this stuff. I hope I'm not being dense and the answer's staring me in the face. Thanks -Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 29 11:08:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0TG3aC08496; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:03:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:03:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [142.177.140.112] X-Originating-Email: [danioore@hotmail.com] X-Sender: danioore@hotmail.com From: "Dani Oore" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: echoplex- footswitch problem? Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:03:29 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jan 2004 16:03:30.0727 (UTC) FILETIME=[7063E370:01C3E681] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi all, i think the problem is the the footswitch pedal, (it happens with various 1/4" cables)... pressing record takes me into 'parameter' select mode or switches to next loop and starts recording or some other mode, and if/when i manage to reset by long pressing record, it usually stubbornly resets to "2.00" or "2.25" seconds -or some number other than empty loop. other buttons become equally disfunctional in these cases, and turning the echoplex off, global reset does not always solve the problem. just got Shane's number at b.a.s. -but apparently back-logged in questions. any ideas/suggestions? its undependability is becoming Extremely Annoying. have only taken it out of the studio twice, and one time it was acting strangely. is there a suggested max time the plex should be left on at a time? how long do the LED's last for? (also, recently acquired a maestro tape echoplex. any ideas on using it? was starting to hook it up in ways to the dig echoplex. until problems) thanks, dani oore _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 29 12:09:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0TH1GS20708; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:01:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:01:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f701c3e689$091476f0$8c00000a@rosie> From: "aNDREmu" To: References: Subject: Re: echoplex- footswitch problem? Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:57:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F4_01C3E691.68DF58E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F4_01C3E691.68DF58E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi dani, I have my Echoplex for one month now and had a similar problem. Pressing = record put me into "parameter select mode" and other strange things = happend. I had a look at kim=B4s "Echoplex Footpedal Tutorial" and found out, = that every switch on theEFC-7 has a certain Impedance. The Record botton = should have 0 ohms. I cheched this with a ohm-meter and found out that = it was sometimes 0 ohm and sometimes higher. The next higher impedance = of 681 ohms is "next loop", so pressing record often gave a "next loop" = command. I went to the nearest electronic store and bought a new momentary = switch. These switches are standart and easy to get. After I replaced it, everyting workes great again. Probably you have the = same problem. Andre aNDREmu Email: andremu@andremu.com Web: www.andremu.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dani Oore=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 5:03 PM Subject: echoplex- footswitch problem? hi all, i think the problem is the the footswitch pedal, (it happens with = various=20 1/4" cables)... pressing record takes me into 'parameter' select mode or switches to = next=20 loop and starts recording or some other mode, and if/when i manage to = reset=20 by long pressing record, it usually stubbornly resets to "2.00" or = "2.25"=20 seconds -or some number other than empty loop. other buttons become = equally=20 disfunctional in these cases, and turning the echoplex off, global = reset=20 does not always solve the problem. just got Shane's number at b.a.s. -but apparently back-logged in = questions. =20 any ideas/suggestions? its undependability is becoming Extremely Annoying. have only taken it = out=20 of the studio twice, and one time it was acting strangely. is there a suggested max time the plex should be left on at a time? = how=20 long do the LED's last for? (also, recently acquired a maestro tape echoplex. any ideas on using = it? was=20 starting to hook it up in ways to the dig echoplex. until problems) thanks, dani oore _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* =20 = http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/virus&pgmarket=3Den-ca&RU=3Dhttp%3a%= 2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ------=_NextPart_000_00F4_01C3E691.68DF58E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi dani,
 
I have my Echoplex for one month now = and had a=20 similar problem. Pressing record put me into "parameter select mode" and = other=20 strange things happend.
 
I had a look at kim=B4s "Echoplex = Footpedal Tutorial"=20 and found out, that every switch on theEFC-7 has a certain Impedance. = The Record=20 botton should have 0 ohms. I cheched this with a ohm-meter and found out = that it=20 was sometimes 0 ohm and sometimes higher. The next higher impedance of = 681 ohms=20 is "next loop", so pressing record often gave a "next loop"=20 command.
I went to the nearest electronic store = and bought a=20 new momentary switch. These switches are standart and easy to = get.
After I replaced it, everyting workes = great again.=20 Probably you have the same problem.
 
Andre
 
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Web: =   www.andremu.com
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dani Oore=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, January 29, = 2004 5:03=20 PM
Subject: echoplex- footswitch=20 problem?


hi all,

i think the problem is the the = footswitch=20 pedal, (it happens with various
1/4" cables)...

pressing = record=20 takes me into 'parameter' select mode or switches to next
loop and = starts=20 recording or some other mode, and if/when i manage to reset
by = long=20 pressing record, it usually stubbornly resets to "2.00" or "2.25" =
seconds=20 -or some number other than empty loop. other buttons become equally=20
disfunctional in these cases, and turning the echoplex off, global = reset=20
does not always solve the problem.

just got Shane's number = at=20 b.a.s. -but apparently back-logged in questions. 
  any=20 ideas/suggestions?

its undependability is becoming Extremely = Annoying.=20 have only taken it out
of the studio twice, and one time it was = acting=20 strangely.

is there a suggested max time the plex should be = left on at=20 a time?  how
long do the LED's last for?

(also, = recently=20 acquired a maestro tape echoplex. any ideas on using it? was =
starting to=20 hook it up in ways to the dig echoplex. until = problems)

thanks,
dani=20 = oore

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------=_NextPart_000_00F4_01C3E691.68DF58E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 29 12:47:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0THe7e27984; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:40:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:40:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [142.177.140.112] X-Originating-Email: [danioore@hotmail.com] X-Sender: danioore@hotmail.com From: "Dani Oore" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: echoplex- footswitch problem? Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:40:00 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jan 2004 17:40:01.0399 (UTC) FILETIME=[EBE65070:01C3E68E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi Andre, thanks for response. you actually opened up the footswitch box? they had momentary switch with precisely the right impedance (0 in this case... ok, but what about 681 ohms, etc?) how often do echoplex users find themselves replacing these buttons? thanks, dani >From: "aNDREmu" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: echoplex- footswitch problem? >Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:57:50 +0100 > >hi dani, > >I have my Echoplex for one month now and had a similar problem. Pressing >record put me into "parameter select mode" and other strange things >happend. > >I had a look at kim´s "Echoplex Footpedal Tutorial" and found out, that >every switch on theEFC-7 has a certain Impedance. The Record botton should >have 0 ohms. I cheched this with a ohm-meter and found out that it was >sometimes 0 ohm and sometimes higher. The next higher impedance of 681 ohms >is "next loop", so pressing record often gave a "next loop" command. >I went to the nearest electronic store and bought a new momentary switch. >These switches are standart and easy to get. >After I replaced it, everyting workes great again. Probably you have the >same problem. > >Andre > >aNDREmu >Email: andremu@andremu.com >Web: www.andremu.com > > >----- Original Message ----- > From: Dani Oore > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 5:03 PM > Subject: echoplex- footswitch problem? > > > > hi all, > > i think the problem is the the footswitch pedal, (it happens with >various > 1/4" cables)... > > pressing record takes me into 'parameter' select mode or switches to >next > loop and starts recording or some other mode, and if/when i manage to >reset > by long pressing record, it usually stubbornly resets to "2.00" or >"2.25" > seconds -or some number other than empty loop. other buttons become >equally > disfunctional in these cases, and turning the echoplex off, global reset > does not always solve the problem. > > just got Shane's number at b.a.s. -but apparently back-logged in >questions. > any ideas/suggestions? > > its undependability is becoming Extremely Annoying. have only taken it >out > of the studio twice, and one time it was acting strangely. > > is there a suggested max time the plex should be left on at a time? how > long do the LED's last for? > > (also, recently acquired a maestro tape echoplex. any ideas on using it? >was > starting to hook it up in ways to the dig echoplex. until problems) > > thanks, > dani oore > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca > > _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 29 12:49:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0THfDh28198; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:41:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:41:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c3e68f$0ebdd6e0$a0385bd8@corp.lyris.com> From: "David J. Grossman" To: References: Subject: Re: Multitrack recording question Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 09:40:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-SMTP-HELO: Daveg X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: dave@unpronounceable.com X-SMTP-RCPT-TO: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: daveg.lyris.com [216.91.56.160] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Those audio workstations I've used copy the tracks no problem, but they > don't actually modify (or even copy) the underlying wav files, so different > projects end up sharing the same base wavs. This causes a lot of headaches. > I'd rather work with each project having it's own shortened wav files and > delete the originals. If I just use soundforge, I have to do 1 track at a > time and then it becomes a lot of work to keep them properly aligned. I think that any decent multitrack recording software will give you the option of converting a wave file to a unique copy. So, if you crop it down and convert it to a unique copy, you should just the cropped part as a new wave file. > Any tools excel at this kind of thing? I've taken some time off from > working on this stuff. I hope I'm not being dense and the answer's staring > me in the face. Syntrillium's CoolEdit Pro is good at that. They have unfortunately been taken over by Adobe and it is now called Adobe Audition. I've had nothing but problems dealing with Adobe and with Audition. I use my older CoolEdit software instead. Good luck, Dave http://www.unpronounceable.com/dave/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 29 12:50:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0THkSM29171; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:46:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:46:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001401c3e68f$c9fc41d0$a0385bd8@corp.lyris.com> From: "David J. Grossman" To: References: Subject: Re: echoplex- footswitch problem? Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 09:46:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-SMTP-HELO: Daveg X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: dave@unpronounceable.com X-SMTP-RCPT-TO: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: daveg.lyris.com [216.91.56.160] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > i think the problem is the the footswitch pedal, (it happens with various > 1/4" cables)... The Echoplex footswitch uses resisters in series with each button to tell the plex what button was pressed. It probably measures the current or voltage drop and figures out which button was pressed based on that. If you have a bad cable, the resistance will change causing a different button to be interpreted. You should try it with a nice new high quality cable and if you still have the same problem, maybe you can open up the footswitch and clean the button contacts (not sure that's possible though). If those get corroded, it could result in the same anomolies. Sincerely, Dave http://www.unpronounceable.com/dave/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 29 13:16:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0TIBcY02133; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:11:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:11:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005c01c3e693$b0e38e70$0207a8c0@Stephen> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Multitrack recording question Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 18:13:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "wolfereeno" asked: > I have a bunch of 4 track cassette tapes that I've been moving over to the > computer. I've got a Delta1010 card and have been recording them using any > number of tools (Vegas, Nuendo, Sonar...) so I end up with 4 very large (45 > min) mono wav files per tape. The files contain multiple songs but also a > lot of dead space as well as things I don't want to keep. > > My question has to with finding a convenient way to edit down the wav files > and separate the songs I want to keep into separate projects. I haven't > been able to find a good way to do it yet. I'd like to simply copy 4 tracks > simultaneously to 4 new tracks to be saved as 4 shorter wav files. > > Those audio workstations I've used copy the tracks no problem, but they > don't actually modify (or even copy) the underlying wav files, so different > projects end up sharing the same base wavs. This causes a lot of headaches. > I'd rather work with each project having it's own shortened wav files and > delete the originals. If I just use soundforge, I have to do 1 track at a > time and then it becomes a lot of work to keep them properly aligned. > > I could make a copy of the 4 original tracks for each sub project and then > use something like Vegas' clean up process which it trims the parts of the > wavs that fall outside of the project's 'scope'. But that would take a lot > of time and space. > > Ideally I'd like to just breeze through with something like Sound Forge, > cutting and pasting 4 tracks at a time and save the results to different > directories. > > Any tools excel at this kind of thing? I've taken some time off from > working on this stuff. I hope I'm not being dense and the answer's staring > me in the face. It would seem that the time is ripe for the former CoolEdit Pro and its ilk to be able to handle multi-tracking sound cards, so that one could avoid not only paying up the wazoo for a 'sound workstation', but also keep 4-track as 4-track insofar as one's mix is concerned. Given the perishability of tape, it's just a matter of time before your library of unfinished works on 4-track cassettes is nearly unusable for your purposes... and you don't want to have to settle for 2-track mixdowns as your only archive of said material, either. Rock n' Hard Place. So one has to save two tracks at a time, and then work as one will.. You pros on the list will probably chuckle darkly and knowingly at the following. While trying to preserve a 4-track cassette's contents without a working 4-track deck some years ago, I discovered one of the side effects of cassette use involving spindle speed. I recorded, from a regular 2-track deck, each side: one of course reversed in playback. The piece-in-question was recorded on the evening of the death of the immortal Friz Freleng and called "Friz' Lament", and because it had percussion at various points, it was impossible to sync or even pretend it did. The tape and others remain in a dust-proof box, in a cool storage facility. Sorry about the off-topic trail-off, though. Suffice it to say that the four-in, four-out sound card is something I've lusted after for some time, but at least one has the option of pasting separate captures of two-out-of-the-four tracks... Steve Goodman * EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 29 13:22:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0TIEJG02625; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:14:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:14:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40194D80.8060400@biink.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:14:24 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" , "davidtorn@yahoogroups.com" Subject: NYC 1/31/2004 - An Evening of Improvisation -- Sukato, David Beardsley, R.D. Hansen, Loren Dempster Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1tR3jC.A.2o.71UGAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com An Evening of Improvisation -- Sukato, David Beardsley, R.D. Hansen, Loren Dempster Time: 8 pm Date: Saturday, January 31, 2004, but keep an eye on the weather & http://biink.com! Place: Loren's loft (304 Boerum St #23 (buzzer 11 @ White), East Williamsburg, Brooklyn), directions below. Musicians: Adam Wilson -- classical guitar Arto Artinian -- flute Brad Kemp -- double bass Sukato -- ukelele, darabukkah, plectrum violin, and voice. David Beardsley -- just-intoned guitars (fretted and maybe fretless) and loops. R.D. Hansen -- soprano saxophone. Loren Dempster -- digeridoo and cello. This concert will be at Loren Dempster's loft in East Williamsburg. Bring a friend. Bring ten friends. This is a free concert (though there will be a donation basket for those who wish to give). DIRECTIONS (via subway): From the L train: Get off at "Morgan Avenue" stop. Exit out front of train platform. There is a map of the area here. Exit sharp right of station lobby, you will be at corner of Morgan and Harrison Place. Left down Harrison Place, (if you hit Knickerbocker, you went the wrong way) right on Bogart, left on Boerum. 304 Boerum, buzz 11 to get in. From J, M, or Z trains: Get off "Flushing Avenue" stop. Walk northeast on Flushing left on Bushwick, right on Boerum. 304 Boerum, buzz 11 to get in. -- OR -- Marcy Ave, walk to bus barn area, get B61, get out at Morgan ave L stop and use directions above. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 29 13:29:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0TIKUq03815; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:20:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:20:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c3e694$8bc88b30$a0385bd8@corp.lyris.com> From: "David J. Grossman" To: References: <005c01c3e693$b0e38e70$0207a8c0@Stephen> Subject: Re: Multitrack recording question Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 10:20:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-SMTP-HELO: Daveg X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: dave@unpronounceable.com X-SMTP-RCPT-TO: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: daveg.lyris.com [216.91.56.160] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > It would seem that the time is ripe for the former CoolEdit Pro and its ilk > to be able to handle multi-tracking sound cards, so that one could avoid not CoolEdit Pro can handle multi-tracking sound cards ( if I understand you correctly ). Currently, I have a studio set up with a Delta 1010LT and an Aardvark Q10. Both offer 8 channels of analog inputs each plus 2 SPDF channels ( hence the "10" channels ). I routinely record 7 tracks of drums plus a click track on the Q10 while simultaneously recording 3 channels of bass ( stereo FX and mono echoplex out ) and whatever other instruments happen to be there on the Delta. CoolEdit Pro seems to do a pretty good job but Adobe Audition would lock up on me at random. The original CoolEdit only handles stereo inputs though. - Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 29 13:40:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0TIVxs05879; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:31:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:31:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [142.177.140.112] X-Originating-Email: [danioore@hotmail.com] X-Sender: danioore@hotmail.com From: "Dani Oore" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: echoplex- footswitch problem? Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:31:52 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jan 2004 18:31:53.0253 (UTC) FILETIME=[2AB58D50:01C3E696] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks, i'll try.. enjoyed the bach on bass clips d >From: "David J. Grossman" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: echoplex- footswitch problem? >Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 09:46:08 -0800 > > > i think the problem is the the footswitch pedal, (it happens with >various > > 1/4" cables)... > >The Echoplex footswitch uses resisters in series with each button to tell >the plex what button was pressed. It probably measures the current or >voltage drop and figures out which button was pressed based on that. If you >have a bad cable, the resistance will change causing a different button to >be interpreted. You should try it with a nice new high quality cable and if >you still have the same problem, maybe you can open up the footswitch and >clean the button contacts (not sure that's possible though). If those get >corroded, it could result in the same anomolies. > > Sincerely, > > Dave > >http://www.unpronounceable.com/dave/ > > > _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 29 13:48:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0TIeMq07306; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:40:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:40:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <02fa01c3e697$525c3290$a0385bd8@corp.lyris.com> From: "David J. Grossman" To: References: Subject: Re: echoplex- footswitch problem? Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 10:40:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-SMTP-HELO: Daveg X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: dave@unpronounceable.com X-SMTP-RCPT-TO: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: daveg.lyris.com [216.91.56.160] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > thanks, i'll try.. > > enjoyed the bach on bass clips Thanks! I'm working on getting some new stuff recorded. I've come a really long way since I've posted those but haven't recorded anything. I have some looping stuff that I'm going to post eventually. My drummer and I play to a click on a drum machine which is used to synchronize my Echoplex. We can get the loops perfectly synchronized with the drums every time. We have some pretty crazy stuff with multiple overdubs of 7 and 9-string bass parts. :-) - Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 29 13:53:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0TIiTw07987; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:44:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:44:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:44:11 -0500 Subject: Re: echoplex- footswitch problem? From: "steve.sandberg" To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200401291749.i0THn8x29841@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a really naive idea from someone who knows next to nothing about electronics, but would somehow cleaning the pedal switch connections help the problem? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 29 14:07:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0TIvKR10657; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:57:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:57:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <030401c3e699$b01b74c0$a0385bd8@corp.lyris.com> From: "David J. Grossman" To: References: Subject: Re: echoplex- footswitch problem? Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 10:57:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-SMTP-HELO: Daveg X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: dave@unpronounceable.com X-SMTP-RCPT-TO: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: daveg.lyris.com [216.91.56.160] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This is a really naive idea from someone who knows next to nothing about > electronics, but would somehow cleaning the pedal switch connections help > the problem? A corroded connection will likely have a non-zero resistance. That's why you always want to have clean connections, so there is no signal loss. Add the button connection resistance to the resistance that the unit expects from that button and it might mis-interpret which button was pressed. Or, a bad connection could result in a connection that varies in resistance in some unpredictable way. For example, ideally, you want the button to go from infinite resistance (open circuit) to zero resistance (closed circuit) in an instant. However, if the connection is dirty or corroded, it might not go from open to closed cleanly. You could end up with some values in between that are interpreted incorrectly. This is only theory though. I haven't directly observed this effect. I have taken electronics courses in college so I know a little bit about this subject. I also know how the footswitch works so I think this is a plausable theory and probably a good place to start. - Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 29 14:12:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0TJ7Cj13848; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:07:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:07:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040129190711.70179.qmail@web21323.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:07:11 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: OT: Multitrack recording question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- wolfereeno wrote: > I have a bunch of 4 track cassette tapes that I've been moving over to the > computer. I've got a Delta1010 card and have been recording them using any > number of tools (Vegas, Nuendo, Sonar...) so I end up with 4 very large (45 > min) mono wav files per tape. The files contain multiple songs but also a > lot of dead space as well as things I don't want to keep. > > My question has to with finding a convenient way to edit down the wav files > and separate the songs I want to keep into separate projects. I haven't > been able to find a good way to do it yet. I'd like to simply copy 4 tracks > simultaneously to 4 new tracks to be saved as 4 shorter wav files. I don't know much about the applications you mentioned, but it seems to me that the easiest approach would be to start a new project for each song you want to transfer, then record from the 4tk from the start of the song to the end, then start a new project for the next song. So, you'd do each song seperately instead of recording the entire 4tk tape worth of material in to edit later. Given the hassle you're having with the editing, I'd think this would probably be less time consuming then trying to figure out how to make some hunk of software do the same thing for you. > Those audio workstations I've used copy the tracks no problem, but they > don't actually modify (or even copy) the underlying wav files, so different > projects end up sharing the same base wavs. This causes a lot of headaches. > I'd rather work with each project having it's own shortened wav files and > delete the originals. I don't know the packages you mentioned, but in Cakewalk, there's a function called Compact Audio Data, which I think will copy any shared underlying wav files. Or saving the song into a bundle would definitely do it. Perhaps you could do something like that with the software you have after you split the tracks to seperate songs? Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 29 14:59:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0TJqs721376; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:52:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:52:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015101c3e6a1$0234e550$8c00000a@rosie> From: "aNDREmu" To: References: Subject: Re: echoplex- footswitch problem? Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 20:49:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_014E_01C3E6A9.62D67830" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_014E_01C3E6A9.62D67830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi dani, Yes I opened the footswitch box because cable switching did=B4t help in = my case. It is like David said: >The Echoplex footswitch uses resisters in series with each button to = tell the plex what button was pressed.=20 This means that every momentary switch has two states: closed =3D = infinite impedance and open =3D 0 ohm. I tell you exactly what I did: If you open up the box, you will see, that there is no resister in = serie with the record button -> 0 ohm in open state (If you press the = button down).=20 You can disconnect (you need a soldering iron) one of the resistors that = is in serie with the buttons so you have a second 0 ohm path which = gives you a second "record" button. If this button now works as a normal "record" button you can be pretty = sure that your regular "record" botton is broken. Since I only have my Echoplex for one month I have no idea how often = they have to be replaced. A friend of mine has his EDP for 3 years and = no problem. hope this helps Andre ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dani Oore=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 6:40 PM Subject: Re: echoplex- footswitch problem? hi Andre, thanks for response. you actually opened up the footswitch box? they had momentary switch = with=20 precisely the right impedance (0 in this case... ok, but what about = 681=20 ohms, etc?) how often do echoplex users find themselves replacing these buttons? thanks, dani >From: "aNDREmu" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: echoplex- footswitch problem? >Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:57:50 +0100 > >hi dani, > >I have my Echoplex for one month now and had a similar problem. = Pressing=20 >record put me into "parameter select mode" and other strange things=20 >happend. > >I had a look at kim=B4s "Echoplex Footpedal Tutorial" and found out, = that=20 >every switch on theEFC-7 has a certain Impedance. The Record botton = should=20 >have 0 ohms. I cheched this with a ohm-meter and found out that it = was=20 >sometimes 0 ohm and sometimes higher. The next higher impedance of = 681 ohms=20 >is "next loop", so pressing record often gave a "next loop" command. >I went to the nearest electronic store and bought a new momentary = switch.=20 >These switches are standart and easy to get. >After I replaced it, everyting workes great again. Probably you have = the=20 >same problem. > >Andre > >aNDREmu >Email: andremu@andremu.com >Web: www.andremu.com > > >----- Original Message ----- > From: Dani Oore > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 5:03 PM > Subject: echoplex- footswitch problem? > > > > hi all, > > i think the problem is the the footswitch pedal, (it happens with=20 >various > 1/4" cables)... > > pressing record takes me into 'parameter' select mode or switches = to=20 >next > loop and starts recording or some other mode, and if/when i manage = to=20 >reset > by long pressing record, it usually stubbornly resets to "2.00" or = >"2.25" > seconds -or some number other than empty loop. other buttons = become=20 >equally > disfunctional in these cases, and turning the echoplex off, global = reset > does not always solve the problem. > > just got Shane's number at b.a.s. -but apparently back-logged in=20 >questions. > any ideas/suggestions? > > its undependability is becoming Extremely Annoying. have only = taken it=20 >out > of the studio twice, and one time it was acting strangely. > > is there a suggested max time the plex should be left on at a = time? how > long do the LED's last for? > > (also, recently acquired a maestro tape echoplex. any ideas on = using it?=20 >was > starting to hook it up in ways to the dig echoplex. until = problems) > > thanks, > dani oore > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > =20 = >http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/virus&pgmarket=3Den-ca&RU=3Dhttp%3a= %2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca > > _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online =20 http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3D3963 ------=_NextPart_000_014E_01C3E6A9.62D67830 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi dani,
 
Yes I opened the footswitch box because = cable=20 switching did=B4t help in my case. It is like David said:
 
>The Echoplex=20 footswitch uses resisters in series with each button to tell
the plex = what=20 button was pressed.
 
This means that every momentary = switch  has=20 two states: closed =3D infinite impedance and open =3D 0 = ohm.
 
I tell you exactly what I = did:
 
 If you open up the box, you will = see, that=20 there is no resister in serie with the record button -> 0 ohm in open = state (If you press the button down). 
You can disconnect (you need = a soldering=20 iron) one of the resistors that is in serie with the = buttons  so=20 you have a second 0 ohm path which gives you a second "record"=20 button.
 If this button now works as a = normal "record"=20 button you can be pretty sure that your regular "record" botton is=20 broken.
 
 
Since I only have my Echoplex for one = month I have=20 no idea how often they have to be replaced. A friend of mine has his EDP = for 3=20 years and no problem.
 
hope this helps
 
Andre
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dani Oore=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, January 29, = 2004 6:40=20 PM
Subject: Re: echoplex- = footswitch=20 problem?



hi Andre, thanks for response.

you = actually=20 opened up the footswitch box?  they had momentary switch with=20
precisely the right impedance (0 in this case... ok, but what = about 681=20
ohms, etc?)

how often do echoplex users find themselves = replacing=20 these buttons?

thanks,
dani


>From: "aNDREmu" = <andremu@andremu.com>
>Re= ply-To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
>To:=20 <Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com>
>Subject:=20 Re: echoplex- footswitch problem?
>Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 = 17:57:50=20 +0100
>
>hi dani,
>
>I have my Echoplex for = one month=20 now and had a similar problem. Pressing
>record put me into = "parameter=20 select mode" and other strange things =
>happend.
>
>I had a=20 look at kim=B4s "Echoplex Footpedal Tutorial" and found out, that =
>every=20 switch on theEFC-7 has a certain Impedance. The Record botton should=20
>have 0 ohms. I cheched this with a ohm-meter and found out = that it was=20
>sometimes 0 ohm and sometimes higher. The next higher = impedance of 681=20 ohms
>is "next loop", so pressing record often gave a "next = loop"=20 command.
>I went to the nearest electronic store and bought a = new=20 momentary switch.
>These switches are standart and easy to=20 get.
>After I replaced it, everyting workes great again. = Probably you=20 have the
>same=20 problem.
>
>Andre
>
>aNDREmu
>Email: andremu@andremu.com
>Web:&n= bsp; =20 www.andremu.com
>
>
&g= t;-----=20 Original Message -----
>   From: Dani = Oore
>  =20 To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
>  =20 Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 5:03 PM
>   Subject:=20 echoplex- footswitch = problem?
>
>
>
>   hi=20 all,
>
>   i think the problem is the the = footswitch=20 pedal, (it happens with
>various
>   1/4"=20 cables)...
>
>   pressing record takes me into=20 'parameter' select mode or switches to =
>next
>   loop=20 and starts recording or some other mode, and if/when i manage to=20
>reset
>   by long pressing record, it usually=20 stubbornly resets to "2.00" or
>"2.25"
>   = seconds -or=20 some number other than empty loop. other buttons become=20
>equally
>   disfunctional in these cases, and = turning=20 the echoplex off, global reset
>   does not always = solve the=20 problem.
>
>   just got Shane's number at b.a.s. = -but=20 apparently back-logged in =
>questions.
>    =20 any ideas/suggestions?
>
>   its undependability = is=20 becoming Extremely Annoying. have only taken it=20
>out
>   of the studio twice, and one time it = was=20 acting strangely.
>
>   is there a suggested max = time=20 the plex should be left on at a time?  how
>   = long do=20 the LED's last for?
>
>   (also, recently = acquired a=20 maestro tape echoplex. any ideas on using it? =
>was
>  =20 starting to hook it up in ways to the dig echoplex. until=20 problems)
>
>   thanks,
>   dani = oore
>
>  =20 = _________________________________________________________________
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= ------=_NextPart_000_014E_01C3E6A9.62D67830-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 29 15:12:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0TK7MS25247; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:07:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:07:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.12 (webedge20-101-197-20030912) From: To: Subject: Echoplex and MIDI out Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:07:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20040129200726.SNED9070.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all, I've just bought an EDP off of Ebay and waiting for it's arrival. Trying to envision all the things I'll need to make it do in my setup. Right now I use a MIDI foot controller ot control my Electrix Repeater (which will be going up for sale). I want to get the EDP foot controller though and do away with the MIDI controller (FCB1010). I also have an Emu PX-7 for sequenced drum loops and guitar synth sounds. When I have a loop running, or not, I want to be able to start and stop the sequence on the PX7 from the EDP foot controller. Realizing it's not a MIDI controller, does the EDP send out MIDI commands in response to button pushes on the EDP foot controller? BTW, this unit doesn't now have the LoopIV upgrade, I believe it's the Loop III software. Thanks in advance, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 29 15:27:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0TKMZL28156; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:22:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:22:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Echoplex and MIDI out Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:21:20 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Echoplex and MIDI out thread-index: AcPmo5YVHbFJ7gZcTFK6JsymJ0uumQAAZVHg From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jan 2004 20:21:21.0054 (UTC) FILETIME=[756C73E0:01C3E6A5] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i0TKMYk28132 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I want to get the EDP foot controller though and do away with > the MIDI controller (FCB1010). Hmmmm ... you might want to reconsider that. If and when you upgrade to Loop IV, the added MIDI support might make that foot controller much more attractive. > Realizing it's not a MIDI controller, does the EDP send out > MIDI commands in response to button pushes on the EDP foot controller? The EDP does send out song start/stop messages regardless of whether you use the EFC7 foot controller, a MIDI foot controller, or the front panel buttons. I run a MIDI cable from my EDP setup into a drum machine and use the EDP to start and stop my drum lines. Glenn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 29 15:35:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0TKTYC29550; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:29:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:29:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <96.236f93b.2d4ac724@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:29:24 EST Subject: Re: echoplex- footswitch problem? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i0TKTXk29523 Resent-Message-ID: <9Ss0MB.A.jNH.t0WGAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dani, In a message dated 1/29/04 8:05:15 AM, danioore@hotmail.com writes: >pressing record takes me into 'parameter' select mode or switches >to next loop and starts recording or some other mode, and if/when >i manage to reset by long pressing record, it usually stubbornly resets >to "2.00" or "2.25" seconds -or some number other than empty loop. >other buttons become equally disfunctional in these cases, and turning >the echoplex off, global reset does not always solve the problem. I'll pipe in here with my 2 cents. The symptoms you describe sound to me like the "record" switch has gone bad (intermittently getting stuck) on the EFC-7. For me this has been the typical problem when a switch fails -- and more often than not it IS the "record" switch since that's the one you hit most. These parts are cheap and none-too-sturdy. However, they are nice and quiet -- no loud "clicks" when they're depressed like those sturdier metal footswitches common on many other effects. Replacements are easily obtained from Mouser Electronic Supply. For something like $17.00 you can buy a bulk bag of 'em that will be a lifetime supply. I've had my EDPs since the mid '90s and with semi-continual use (and heavy feet) these things break every so often. I'm glad I bought the big bag. Anyone who is even halfway competent with a soldering iron can replace these switches in just a few minutes. It's not hard at all. In fact, I'll go a little further . . . any musician who uses electricity owes it to themselves to learn basic soldering skills. It'll save you time, money and no end of grief in the long run. Anywho the part number is availble on the LD website somewhere. Check it out. Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 29 16:09:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0TL4Zc05472; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:04:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:04:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40197566.3020507@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:04:38 -0500 From: Dick Michaels User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex and MIDI out References: <20040129200726.SNED9070.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> In-Reply-To: <20040129200726.SNED9070.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 15d7f0cd6eb2d81b74cfc7ce3b1ad11381c87f5e51960688c1f4e0392603394bcc2c528374559a3b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com We have a EDP foot controller for $40 plus shipping if you were interested Dick Michaels Rogue Music NYC paul_sanders@adelphia.net wrote: >Hello all, > >I've just bought an EDP off of Ebay and waiting for it's arrival. > >Trying to envision all the things I'll need to make it do in my setup. > >Right now I use a MIDI foot controller ot control my Electrix Repeater (which will be going up for sale). > >I want to get the EDP foot controller though and do away with the MIDI controller (FCB1010). > >I also have an Emu PX-7 for sequenced drum loops and guitar synth sounds. > >When I have a loop running, or not, I want to be able to start and stop the sequence on the PX7 from the EDP foot controller. > >Realizing it's not a MIDI controller, does the EDP send out MIDI commands in response to button pushes on the EDP foot controller? > >BTW, this unit doesn't now have the LoopIV upgrade, I believe it's the Loop III software. > >Thanks in advance, > >Paul > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 29 16:12:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0TKwCx02891; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:58:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:58:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000601c3e6aa$971b1870$a0385bd8@corp.lyris.com> From: "David J. Grossman" To: References: Subject: Does anybody use a pair of Echoplexes in stereo? Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:57:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-SMTP-HELO: Daveg X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: dave@unpronounceable.com X-SMTP-RCPT-TO: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: daveg.lyris.com [216.91.56.160] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey all, I currently use an Echoplex Digital Pro Plus in my stereo rig and have to use a funky method of mixing my stereo fx signal down to mono to go through the plex and then mixing the output signal back with the original stereo signal. Needless to say, I'm not very happy about this setup but since the Echoplex is mono, I have no choice. They say that you can run two Echoplexes in a master/slave configuration and use them in stereo but I don't want to lay out $800 on another unit unless I'm confident that it will work well. Has anybody tried this yet? Thanks, Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 29 16:27:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0TLNqQ09186; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:23:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:23:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040129212346.78017.qmail@web80212.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:23:46 -0800 (PST) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: RE: Echoplex and MIDI out To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1301924973-1075411426=:76616" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1301924973-1075411426=:76616 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii but triggering them is another thing. i had the same setup (edp to drum machine) for tempo-syncing and i had the drum machine quantized and set to manual start. i'm sure i could've triggered it with a midi command, but i never looked into it. i'm using an all access...which makes life a lot easier. -jim Glenn Poorman wrote: > I want to get the EDP foot controller though and do away with > the MIDI controller (FCB1010). Hmmmm ... you might want to reconsider that. If and when you upgrade to Loop IV, the added MIDI support might make that foot controller much more attractive. > Realizing it's not a MIDI controller, does the EDP send out > MIDI commands in response to button pushes on the EDP foot controller? The EDP does send out song start/stop messages regardless of whether you use the EFC7 foot controller, a MIDI foot controller, or the front panel buttons. I run a MIDI cable from my EDP setup into a drum machine and use the EDP to start and stop my drum lines. Glenn --0-1301924973-1075411426=:76616 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
but triggering them is another thing.  i had the same setup (edp to drum machine) for tempo-syncing and i had the drum machine quantized and set to manual start.  i'm sure i could've triggered it with a midi command, but i never looked into it.  i'm using an all access...which makes life a lot easier.
 
-jim

Glenn Poorman <glenn.poorman@autodesk.com> wrote:
> I want to get the EDP foot controller though and do away with
> the MIDI controller (FCB1010).

Hmmmm ... you might want to reconsider that. If and when you
upgrade to Loop IV, the added MIDI support might make that
foot controller much more attractive.

> Realizing it's not a MIDI controller, does the EDP send out
> MIDI commands in response to button pushes on the EDP foot controller?

The EDP does send out song start/stop messages regardless of
whether you use the EFC7 foot controller, a MIDI foot controller,
or the front panel buttons. I run a MIDI cable from my EDP setup
into a drum machine and use the EDP to start and stop my drum
lines.

Glenn
--0-1301924973-1075411426=:76616-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 29 16:31:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0TLRfQ10363; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:27:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:27:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c3e6ae$b53dcc90$a0385bd8@corp.lyris.com> From: "David J. Grossman" To: References: <20040129212511.45825.qmail@web80210.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Does anybody use a pair of Echoplexes in stereo? Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:27:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C3E66B.A5558400" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-SMTP-HELO: Daveg X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: dave@unpronounceable.com X-SMTP-RCPT-TO: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: daveg.lyris.com [216.91.56.160] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C3E66B.A5558400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow! So, you haven't had any problems with that setup? Never had one go = out of sync with the other? - Dave ----- Original Message -----=20 From: JAMES FOWLER, III=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 1:25 PM Subject: Re: Does anybody use a pair of Echoplexes in stereo? i have 4 edps. that's two stereo pairs. =20 beat that! -jim ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C3E66B.A5558400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wow! So, you haven't had any problems = with that=20 setup? Never had one go out of sync with the other?
 
- Dave
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 JAMES=20 FOWLER, III
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, January 29, = 2004 1:25=20 PM
Subject: Re: Does anybody use a = pair of=20 Echoplexes in stereo?

i have 4 edps.  that's two stereo pairs. 

beat that!

-jim

------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C3E66B.A5558400-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 29 16:35:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0TLPIB09767; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:25:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:25:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040129212511.45825.qmail@web80210.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:25:11 -0800 (PST) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: Re: Does anybody use a pair of Echoplexes in stereo? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000601c3e6aa$971b1870$a0385bd8@corp.lyris.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1807288921-1075411511=:44970" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1807288921-1075411511=:44970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i have 4 edps. that's two stereo pairs. beat that! -jim --0-1807288921-1075411511=:44970 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

i have 4 edps.  that's two stereo pairs. 

beat that!

-jim

--0-1807288921-1075411511=:44970-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 29 16:38:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0TLW3k11470; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:32:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:32:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "AvgJoe" To: Subject: RE: Echoplex and MIDI out Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:31:52 -0500 Message-ID: <002d01c3e6af$50127cc0$2100a8c0@APPLEPIE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <40197566.3020507@ix.netcom.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Dick Michaels [mailto:Roguemus@ix.netcom.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 4:05 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Echoplex and MIDI out > > > We have a EDP foot controller for $40 plus shipping if you > were interested Yes, I am interested. In fact I'm on hold right now. They are trying to track you down! I take it your public phone number for Rogue music is the way to reach you? Thanks, Paul > > Dick Michaels > Rogue Music NYC > > paul_sanders@adelphia.net wrote: > > >Hello all, > > > >I've just bought an EDP off of Ebay and waiting for it's arrival. > > > >Trying to envision all the things I'll need to make it do in > my setup. > > > >Right now I use a MIDI foot controller ot control my > Electrix Repeater > >(which will be going up for sale). > > > >I want to get the EDP foot controller though and do away > with the MIDI > >controller (FCB1010). > > > >I also have an Emu PX-7 for sequenced drum loops and guitar synth > >sounds. > > > >When I have a loop running, or not, I want to be able to > start and stop > >the sequence on the PX7 from the EDP foot controller. > > > >Realizing it's not a MIDI controller, does the EDP send out MIDI > >commands in response to button pushes on the EDP foot controller? > > > >BTW, this unit doesn't now have the LoopIV upgrade, I > believe it's the > >Loop III software. > > > >Thanks in advance, > > > >Paul > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 29 16:46:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0TLeTZ13489; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:40:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:40:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "AvgJoe" To: Subject: RE: Echoplex and MIDI out Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:40:17 -0500 Message-ID: <003201c3e6b0$7c8f6230$2100a8c0@APPLEPIE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i0TLeRk13451 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Glenn Poorman [mailto:glenn.poorman@autodesk.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 3:21 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Echoplex and MIDI out > > > > I want to get the EDP foot controller though and do away with > > the MIDI controller (FCB1010). > > Hmmmm ... you might want to reconsider that. If and when you > upgrade to Loop IV, the added MIDI support might make that > foot controller much more attractive. > > > Realizing it's not a MIDI controller, does the EDP send out > > MIDI commands in response to button pushes on the EDP foot > controller? > > The EDP does send out song start/stop messages regardless of > whether you use the EFC7 foot controller, a MIDI foot > controller, or the front panel buttons. I run a MIDI cable > from my EDP setup into a drum machine and use the EDP to > start and stop my drum lines. So, out of curiosity, which foot controller/front panel buttons trigger song start and song stop messages? There's not a "stop/play" button. I assume "mute" doesn't cause a song stop message to be sent, correct? I want to be able to mute my loop and still have the percussion going. Thanks, Paul > > Glenn > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 29 17:08:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0TM31p18424; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:03:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:03:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <40198658.38DCF723@erols.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:16:56 -0500 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: New Jersey show w/Andre Lafosse, John Mazzarella, and Peter Beidermann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Friday, January 30th, 8pm-11pm The Town Grind 25 East Main Street 973-625-9666 BIG LOOPING SHOW w/John Mazzarella, Peter Beidermann, and Andre Lafosse $3. Cover This is a call to all of you New Jersey area loopers out there. There will be a triple bill looping performance featuring John Mazzarella, Peter Beidermann, and Andre Lafosse on Friday, January 30th at The Town Grind in Denville, NJ. This is a rare East Coast opportunity to see West Coast based Andre Lafosse in an intimate venue like the Town Grind. For those of you who are not familiar with Andre’s music, he is a master guitarist, and a true innovator in the use of looping technology. Check out his website at www.altruistmusic.com. John Mazzarella www.johnmazzarella.com is a singer/songwriter looper in the vein of Howie Day and Keller Williams. He is also an accomplished alternate tuned fingerstyle guitarist and lap steel guitarist. Peter Beidermann www.peterbeidermann.com is a fantastic looping acoustic/electric guitarist in the vein of Michael Hedges and Robert Fripp. It should be a great show Hope to see you there, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 29 17:48:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0TMdtx25342; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:39:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:39:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040129223953.80267.qmail@web12508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:39:53 -0800 (PST) From: barry smith Subject: Re: FS: EDP and FC w/ LoopIV To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20040128144652.39041.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Scott, Just want to know if you received my last post from yesterday. Is the looper still available? Thanks, Barry --- Scott Martin wrote: > Since I've been doing most of my work in the home > studio with software lately, and I *really* need to > pay off some credit card debt, I've gotta send my > EDP > off to a new home. Purchased used in late 2002, > this > is an original Obie EDP upgraded last year to LoopIV > (I've still got the original Loop3.3 ROM, and will > include with purchase) with max memory. Also > includes > the EFC-7 foot controller, both the original manual > and the LoopIV manual, a power cord, and some spare > fuses and replacement buttons for the foot > controller > from my personal stash. Going price is $650; > payment > by PayPal is preferred, but I'll take a money order > or > cashier's check. Email me offlist at > coirbidh_99(at)yahoo.com. If I don't have an offer > by > Friday evening, it goes to the eBay masses. Thanks! > > Later, > Scott > > > > ===== > Scott Martin > coirbidh_99@yahoo.com > > Beauty - no matter how disturbing or how still - is > always true. Don't be afraid to let go of the > things you know. Defy your weaker, safer self. > Create. Make music. > -Sonny Sharrock > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. > Try it! > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 29 18:19:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0TNG4v01285; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 18:16:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 18:16:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [142.177.140.112] X-Originating-Email: [danioore@hotmail.com] X-Sender: danioore@hotmail.com From: "Dani Oore" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: echoplex- footswitch problem? Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 19:15:57 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jan 2004 23:15:58.0362 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA62C7A0:01C3E6BD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks Ted, Steve, Andre, Dave. i'll look into, and prob buy, the mouser electronics bag of switches, and work on my soldering skills. i'll let you know how it goes. best, danny >From: ArsOcarina@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: echoplex- footswitch problem? >Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:29:24 EST > >Dani, > >In a message dated 1/29/04 8:05:15 AM, danioore@hotmail.com writes: > > >pressing record takes me into 'parameter' select mode or switches > >to next loop and starts recording or some other mode, and if/when > >i manage to reset by long pressing record, it usually stubbornly resets > >to "2.00" or "2.25" seconds -or some number other than empty loop. > >other buttons become equally disfunctional in these cases, and turning > >the echoplex off, global reset does not always solve the problem. > >I'll pipe in here with my 2 cents. The symptoms you describe sound to me >like the "record" switch has gone bad (intermittently getting stuck) on the >EFC-7. For me this has been the typical problem when a switch fails -- and >more often than not it IS the "record" switch since that's the one you >hit most. > >These parts are cheap and none-too-sturdy. However, they are nice and >quiet -- no loud "clicks" when they're depressed like those sturdier metal >footswitches common on many other effects. Replacements are easily >obtained from Mouser Electronic Supply. For something like $17.00 you >can buy a bulk bag of 'em that will be a lifetime supply. > >I've had my EDPs since the mid '90s and with semi-continual use (and heavy >feet) these things break every so often. I'm glad I bought the big bag. >Anyone who is even halfway competent with a soldering iron can replace >these switches in just a few minutes. It's not hard at all. In fact, I'll >go >a little further . . . any musician who uses electricity owes it to >themselves >to learn basic soldering skills. It'll save you time, money and no end of >grief in the long run. > >Anywho the part number is availble on the LD website somewhere. >Check it out. > >Best, > >tEd ® kiLLiAn > >http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html >http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian >http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html >http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photos&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 29 18:50:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0TNhnD06412; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 18:43:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 18:43:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: BEEsignature9@aol.com Message-ID: <107.2b63247b.2d4af4ac@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 18:43:40 EST Subject: Re: Does anybody use a pair of Echoplexes in stereo? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1075419820" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5101 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1075419820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave i play two in stereo... i will tell you i think its worth the trouble financially... i LOVE it!!!! -------------------------------1075419820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dave i play two in stereo... i will tell you i think its worth the trou= ble financially...
 
i LOVE it!!!!
-------------------------------1075419820-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 29 21:01:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0U1tf627482; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 20:55:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 20:55:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007401c3e6d4$29516040$d548fea9@sTRANGEpOD> Reply-To: "Patrick Grant" From: "Patrick Grant" To: References: <107.2b63247b.2d4af4ac@aol.com> Subject: Re: Does anybody use a pair of Echoplexes in stereo? Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 20:55:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0071_01C3E6AA.4048FDA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C3E6AA.4048FDA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everybody, I just joined the list two weeks ago. Tonight I recieved from Musician's = Friend the foot pedal control for the EDP.=20 That's the best they could do. In the balance of my order remains the = two EDP units I purchased for stereo use which, they assure me, begin to = ship on Feb. 10.=20 By trade I'm a keyboardist so stereo was the only option. I've heard = that that set up works great. I'll report back later and let you know. All the best, -Patrick Grant www.patrickgrant.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: BEEsignature9@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 6:43 PM Subject: Re: Does anybody use a pair of Echoplexes in stereo? Dave i play two in stereo... i will tell you i think its worth the = trouble financially... i LOVE it!!!! ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C3E6AA.4048FDA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi everybody,
 
I just joined the list two weeks ago. Tonight I recieved from = Musician's=20 Friend the foot pedal control for the EDP.
 
That's the best they could do. In the balance of my order remains = the two=20 EDP units I purchased for stereo use which, they assure me, begin to = ship on=20 Feb. 10.
 
By trade I'm a keyboardist so stereo was the only option. I've = heard that=20 that set up works great. I'll report back later and let you know.
 
All the best,
-Patrick Grant
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 BEEsignature9@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, January 29, = 2004 6:43=20 PM
Subject: Re: Does anybody use a = pair of=20 Echoplexes in stereo?

Dave i play two in stereo... i will tell you i think its worth = the=20 trouble financially...
 
i LOVE it!!!!
------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C3E6AA.4048FDA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 30 00:17:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0U5DPT25114; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 00:13:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 00:13:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040130051319.3819.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 21:13:19 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: CoolEdit/Adobe Audition (was: Multitrack recording question) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200401292012.i0TKCZC26273@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dave wrote: Syntrillium's CoolEdit Pro is good at that. They have unfortunately been taken over by Adobe and it is now called Adobe Audition. I've had nothing but problems dealing with Adobe and with Audition. I use my older CoolEdit software instead. So Dave, What exactly is not working well for you with Adobe Audition? I'm using Cool Edit Pro 2.0 right now and I've been thinking about upgrading to Audition. Not if it's buggy I won't. :) BTW, Cool Edit rocks! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 30 00:31:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0U5T7U26820; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 00:29:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 00:29:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c3e6f1$f7ac0ae0$6501a8c0@watercooled> From: "David J. Grossman" To: References: <20040130051319.3819.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: CoolEdit/Adobe Audition (was: Multitrack recording question) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 21:28:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > What exactly is not working well for you with Adobe Audition? I'm using Cool Edit Pro 2.0 It works great right up until it completely locks up while recording. You have to hard-kill it and then when it comes back up, it asks you if you want to recover the session but then the recovery hangs too. I've lost too many good recordings with it. The same thing happened to me on a different computer with a different operating system ( XP as opposed to 2000 ) and with a different audio card ( Delta 44 as opposed to a Delta 1010 ). The Adobe site makes it nearly impossible to get tech support and my post to the forum has turned up diddly. Also, when I originally got my new studio going and wanted to install CoolEdit Pro 2.1, the installer had expired and I couldn't install it. It took Adobe a week to get me CoolEdit Pro 2.0 ( yes, 2.0!! ) on CD-ROM just so I could upgrade to Audition. Then when I finally got Audition going we lost recording after recording due to it locking up. About every 5th or 6th session ended in disaster. So, these experiences and the fact that Adobe basically killed Syntrillium and all of their other products have soured me on Adobe. I'm going to continue to use CoolEdit Pro 2.0 ( can't install 2.1 ) for now. I want to get Sonar 3.0 but it apparently has problems when recording using my two different audio interfaces ( the demo version did, at least ). They use different drivers and I think that freaks it out somehow. So, I plan on getting rid of my Delta 1010LT one of these days ( it's a great card though ) and getting another Aardvark Q10 to go with my existing one. If anyone is interested in my old Delta 1010LT, let me know. I'll let it go for like $225 or something like that. > right now and I've been thinking about upgrading to Audition. Not if it's buggy I won't. :) Well, you should be able to upgrade to Audition for free and Audition and CoolEdit Pro 2.0 seem to coexist peacefully on the same computer. You might want to give Audition a shot. Just do lots of tests where you record like 8 tracks for more than 10 minutes. Good luck, Dave http://www.unpronounceable.com/dave/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 30 01:37:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0U6XLK02466; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 01:33:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 01:33:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <001701c3e6fa$59710f20$2867fe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: Subject: Echoplexes in stereo use Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 22:17:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0057_01C3E6B5.9FF1D140" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C3E6B5.9FF1D140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I=B4m using my EDPs in stereo and it=B4s marvellous. Three minutes of = loop time is just wonderful for the type of music I=B4m busy with. Make = sure both EDPs have the same OS as otherwise the master/slave mode = won=B4t work (well). Stephen Hey all, I currently use an Echoplex Digital Pro Plus in my stereo rig and = have to use a funky method of mixing my stereo fx signal down to mono to go through the plex and then mixing the output signal back with the = original stereo signal. Needless to say, I'm not very happy about this setup but since the Echoplex is mono, I have no choice. They say that you can run = two Echoplexes in a master/slave configuration and use them in stereo but I don't want to lay out $800 on another unit unless I'm confident that it = will work well. Has anybody tried this yet? Thanks, Dave "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re a = plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C3E6B5.9FF1D140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
 
I=B4m using my EDPs in stereo and = it=B4s marvellous.=20 Three minutes of loop time is just wonderful for the type of music I=B4m = busy=20 with. Make sure both EDPs have the same OS as otherwise the master/slave = mode=20 won=B4t work (well).
 
Stephen
 
Hey all,
    I currently use an Echoplex Digital = Pro Plus=20 in my stereo rig and have
to use a funky method of mixing my stereo = fx signal=20 down to mono to go
through the plex and then mixing the output signal = back=20 with the original
stereo signal. Needless to say, I'm not very happy = about=20 this setup but
since the Echoplex is mono, I have no choice. They say = that=20 you can run two
Echoplexes in a master/slave configuration and use = them in=20 stereo but I
don't want to lay out $800 on another unit unless I'm = confident=20 that it will
work well. Has anybody tried this = yet?

   =20 Thanks,

        = Dave

 
 
 
"Human beings are a disease, the cancer = of this=20 planet, you=B4re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith /=20 Matrix)
 
Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at = www.doombient.com
------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C3E6B5.9FF1D140-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 30 04:28:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0U9O6g23288; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 04:24:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 04:24:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f501c3e713$31902130$0207a8c0@Stephen> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <20040130051319.3819.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: CoolEdit/Adobe Audition (was: Multitrack recording question) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:26:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As a beta site for CoolEdit Pro I was discouraged as well -- Despite assurances that I would be included on the next test cycle by Syntrillium people after the buy-out, I'll probably never hear from Adobe. I am however waiting until more news comes to announce my lament for what would otherwise be a fantastic program, that has had a major role in the enabling of independent musicians to produce studio-quality material. What kind of problems does Audition have then? I'm more than curious. S. > > Dave wrote: > Syntrillium's CoolEdit Pro is good at that. They have unfortunately been > taken over by Adobe and it is now called Adobe Audition. I've had nothing > but problems dealing with Adobe and with Audition. I use my older CoolEdit > software instead. > > > So Dave, > > What exactly is not working well for you with Adobe Audition? I'm using Cool Edit Pro 2.0 > right now and I've been thinking about upgrading to Audition. Not if it's buggy I won't. :) > > BTW, Cool Edit rocks! > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 30 06:14:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0UBAaG04770; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 06:10:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 06:10:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009901c3e658$83634f20$f268f93f@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: Subject: LIVE LOOPED BEATBOXING review Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 03:10:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was part of one of the coolest gigs I've ever done last night in San Francisco's Protrero Hill section. I just wanted to tell you all about it and hip you to some incredible new looping artists that I just became aware of. I performed with three amazing BeatBoxers who were all using live looping gear (from a very short digital delay loop to a sophisticated midi pedal driven Abletons' live laptop performance) in San Francisco at the IllBilly Rhodehouse on Portrero Hill. I have to single out to a couple of amazing performers: KID LUCKY who has been an incredible performer and archiver/producer/historian of the beatboxing movement in New York City did a fascinating performance utilizing two brand new pieces of techology: an amazing microphone with built in effects that he used with his mouth put up against this throat to achieve sounds that went from guitar feedback-esque sounds to industrial sounds to incredible beat box mastery to spoken word.........................all the while controlling video software in real time with a new program that allows audio to control video from Edirol !!!!! I wish I knew the names of the individual instruments, but maybe if he is lurking, he can fill us in on the stuff. He used a lot of long reverb on his whole performance and it made it sound like listening to a chronicling of urban culture through an old Victrola............both futuristic and archaic at the same time.............it was a really haunting effect and I was really impressed by his artistry and vision. Please check his shit out. KID BEYOND was not only the producer of the event, but had an extremely sophisticated and entertaining show he put together. He is not only an encylopedia of great beat box effects but he has a beautiful soul/r&b voice and a nice understanding of vocal harmony. He accurately mimicked everything from turntable scratching to techno synth bass sounds to harmonicas to digital echo effects. Wow!!!!! For me, the tour de force of his whole show was his opening number where he accurately simulated a Portishead song.....................with ALL the musical elements. It was such an accurate reproduction that spontaneous cheers erupted several times in the middle of the performance as people realized that he had pulled off another effect, perfectly.............all without effects..........only voice. I was also very impressed with his command and use of the laptop and ableton's live. He told me afterwards that his intention was to never touch the laptop and he was successful with his use of midi pedal implementation of the loops.This immeasurably added to the stength of the performance. I've been a bit critical of LIVE because you have to use a metronome to start a piece, but KID BEYOND cleverly used a vocal 'hit hat' simulation so the effect was very consistent. He's the first person to make me seriously reconsider getting into that program for live work and that says a lot. He completely transcended the 'gearhead' live looping show and was entertaining, inspiring and funny during his set. I must also say that he is really working hard to keep beatboxing very active in San Francisco and he also has a really big heart: involved with community service projects and benefits. The incomparable Zoe Keating also provided some beatiful counterpoint to the all vocal evening----it was my CD release party for SF with my all vocal CD) on cello. What a beautiful musician she is. I just love her stuff and can't wait to buy a solo cello looping CD from here. I also really enjoyed a very young and extremely talented beatboxing artist named EACH. This young man has an incredible future ahead of him. He also, for my money, was the dopest pure beatboxer on the bill. I pride myself on being able to simulate a lot of drum effects in my limited use of beatboxing..................this punk made me completely embarrased to go on stage............what a repertoire and also very, very sophisticated rhythmically (which you don't always hear in beatboxing). I had a fun set and was really warmly recieved by the audience who were generous and enthusiastic the whole evening. My ears were ringing from the high pitched whoops and hollers at the end of every set. To top it all off............the Illbilly Rhodehouse who hosted us in a beautiful former 19th century Portero Hill saloon is a very intimate venue. They are going to have other performances and I can't wait to go back and play again for these really enthusiastic and warm supporters of new art in the city. I knew it was a succesful event because every artist was talking with every other artist about collaborating on future projects at the end of the gig.............a very good sign, indeed. Well, tonight I got to see my brother, Bill Walker do some very tasty live looping, backing his sweetheart Nancy LeVan as she was given the prestigious Gail Rich Award for Service and Accomplishements in the Arts tonight and tomorrow night, I"m off to see the wonderfully creative and inventive Steve Lawson and Michael Manring at the Espresso Gardens tonight. What a fantastic live looping week!!!!! I feel happy to be alive. yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 30 06:23:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0UBJlc06149; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 06:19:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 06:19:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 06:19:36 EST Subject: Re: CoolEdit/Adobe Audition (and some on topic loop editing) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > What exactly is not working well for you with Adobe Audition? I'm using > Cool Edit Pro 2.0 > right now and I've been thinking about upgrading to Audition. Not if it's > buggy I won't. :) OFF Topic yes, please give details. ...and shame you missed the upgrade to 2.1 On Topic Cool Edit Pro is great for editing looped performances, allowing you to do sample accurate X-fades to reduce the no. of repeats (etc) Also, if you record the dry unlooped input, you can reloop it using the Cool Edit echo in the Multitrack window. You have to type in the milliseconds (not use the slider), then the amount of delay possible is at least 30s (which I've tried) . To find the loop length in mS, make a copy of the loop and line it up with itself visually, shifted by one loop (sample accurate), then you can highlight the area between the 2 start points and read off the time. setting the decay can be a bit tricky, but you can measure the amplitude of 2 successive loops and divide second by first. By relooping, you can cut out mistakes without losing any other material, and with patience, you can remix every layer in the loop (should you want to) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 30 08:05:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0UD0Df20671; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:00:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:00:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016801c3e731$617335e0$0207a8c0@Stephen> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: CoolEdit/Adobe Audition (and some on topic loop editing) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 13:02:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <4mXwYB.A.4CF.dVlGAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com But what about Audition? This isn't off-topic at all, if it's being used to edit our work. > > What exactly is not working well for you with Adobe Audition? I'm using > > Cool Edit Pro 2.0 > > right now and I've been thinking about upgrading to Audition. Not if it's > > buggy I won't. :) > > OFF Topic > yes, please give details. > ...and shame you missed the upgrade to 2.1 > > On Topic > > Cool Edit Pro is great for editing looped performances, > allowing you to do sample accurate X-fades to reduce the > no. of repeats (etc) > Also, if you record the dry unlooped input, you can reloop > it using the Cool Edit echo in the Multitrack window. > You have to type in the milliseconds (not use the slider), then > the amount of delay possible is at least 30s (which I've tried) . > > To find the loop length in mS, make a copy of the loop > and line it up with itself visually, shifted by one loop (sample accurate), > then you can highlight the area between the 2 start points and > read off the time. > > setting the decay can be a bit tricky, but you can measure the > amplitude of 2 successive loops and divide second by first. > > By relooping, you can cut out mistakes without losing any other material, > and with patience, you can remix every layer in the loop (should you > want to) > > andy butler > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 30 08:20:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0UDHJn22265; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:17:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:17:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Echoplex and MIDI out Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:17:16 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Echoplex and MIDI out thread-index: AcPmsJvTA1s3fZBKS5SOU2Xj/FEkmQAgh6AQ From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2004 13:17:16.0413 (UTC) FILETIME=[61A61AD0:01C3E733] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i0UDHIk22235 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > So, out of curiosity, which foot controller/front panel > buttons trigger song > start and song stop messages? There's not a "stop/play" button. Anything that sets the initial time will send out a time sync and a song start. So hit record, do your first pass, and then hit record again (or any of the alternate endings) and the drum machine will start. The tempo is determined both by the length of the loop as well as the "8ths beat" setting. > I assume "mute" doesn't cause a song stop message to be sent, correct? I > want to be able to mute my loop and still have the percussion going. Mute does send a song stop in Loop IV. It didn't in Loop III. I would like to be able to revert to the Loop III behavior but I haven't found that to be configurable. Of course, that doesn't mean it isn't, it just means I haven't found it. Anyone else know about this? Another option is a sync mode on the EDP which sends out time sync but does NOT send out song start/stop. So you could record your first loop and then start the drum machine by hand. Then when you mute, the drum machine will keep playing. Glenn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 30 09:10:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0UE5PI29995; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:05:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:05:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:05:10 -0500 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V04 #41 From: "steve.sandberg" To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200401300531.i0U5Vug27126@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I used two EDPS in stereo for a while -- never had a problem with them, they worked flawlessly from the minute I set them up. Only reason I stopped was I didn't want to carry around that much gear. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 30 09:14:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0UECK231317; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:12:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:12:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:12:05 -0500 Subject: Re: Does anybody use a pair of Echoplexes From: "steve.sandberg" To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200401300531.i0U5Vug27126@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I used two EDPS in stereo for a while -- never had a problem with them, they worked flawlessly from the minute I set them up. Only reason I stopped was I didn't want to carry around that much gear. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 30 09:27:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0UENte01324; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:23:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:23:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "AvgJoe" To: Subject: RE: Echoplex and MIDI out Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:23:39 -0500 Message-ID: <005601c3e73c$a83ab6a0$2100a8c0@APPLEPIE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i0UENsk01300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Glenn Poorman [mailto:glenn.poorman@autodesk.com] > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 8:17 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Echoplex and MIDI out > > > > So, out of curiosity, which foot controller/front panel > > buttons trigger song > > start and song stop messages? There's not a "stop/play" button. > > Anything that sets the initial time will send out a time sync > and a song start. So hit record, do your first pass, and then > hit record again (or any of the alternate endings) and the > drum machine will start. The tempo is determined both by the > length of the loop as well as the "8ths beat" setting. To clarify, I'm going to be syncing EDP to the PX7. A nice feature of the PX7 that I've not figured out in typical drum machines I've used is that the tempo is stored with the sequence, so you call up the drum sequence to use and it's got the tempo I stored with it. For my purposes that's prefered, though I'm sure it could be set up to work the other way too. > > > I assume "mute" doesn't cause a song stop message to be > sent, correct? > I > > want to be able to mute my loop and still have the percussion going. > > Mute does send a song stop in Loop IV. It didn't in Loop III. good think the box I bought is still at Loop III in that respect. Hopefully LoopIII will deliver all the things I need without needing loopIV. > I would like to be able to revert to the Loop III behavior > but I haven't found that to be configurable. Of course, that > doesn't mean it isn't, it just means I haven't found it. > > Anyone else know about this? > > Another option is a sync mode on the EDP which sends out time > sync but does NOT send out song start/stop. So you could > record your first loop and then start the drum machine by > hand. Then when you mute, the drum machine will keep playing. I want to be able to do both. I want to be able to stop everything from the foot controller, and I want to be able to mute the EDP and still have the PX7 running. > > Glenn > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 30 09:31:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0UET3N02267; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:29:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:29:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Echoplex and MIDI out Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:29:00 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Echoplex and MIDI out thread-index: AcPnPLy7SXBKynDaS/CstJi5UUQEBQAAEd0A From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2004 14:29:01.0148 (UTC) FILETIME=[677889C0:01C3E73D] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i0UET2k02244 Resent-Message-ID: <7rgKWB.A.Tj.vomGAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > To clarify, I'm going to be syncing EDP to the PX7. A nice feature of the > PX7 that I've not figured out in typical drum machines I've used is that > the tempo is stored with the sequence, so you call up the drum sequence to > use and it's got the tempo I stored with it. For my purposes that's prefered, > though I'm sure it could be set up to work the other way too. If you're using the EDP as the master, then the EDP will determine the tempo regardless of how your drum machine is set. You can make the EDP the slave, however, in which case your drum machine will call the shots and set the loop time. When I record, I'll make the recording gear the master, set the tempo there, and then that tempo determines the loop time on the EDP and the tempo on the drum machine. Glenn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 30 09:37:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0UEYxI03423; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:34:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:34:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "AvgJoe" To: Subject: RE: Echoplex and MIDI out Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:34:48 -0500 Message-ID: <006101c3e73e$37057900$2100a8c0@APPLEPIE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i0UEYxk03397 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Allow me to simplify this whole question a bit. I've got a guy wanting to buy my Repeater and I need to know this EDP will do the basics of what I do with my live act before I send the repeater away. 1. I've recorded some loops and the are playing. How do I stop (not mute)? 1a. When I've done whatever the answer to 1. is, does it send a SongStop, regardless of whether the EDP is a sync master or sync slave? 2. Once I've stopped the loop as describe above, can I restart it without re-recording? How? I must be a real simpleton, but the lack of "stop" and "play" buttons throws me a little not having my hands on the box to sort it out. Thanks, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 30 09:54:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0UEneH05307; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:49:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:49:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Echoplex and MIDI out Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:49:38 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Echoplex and MIDI out thread-index: AcPnP1HKhx3rz1p9TmOipOmJpdO1gwAAC3cg From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2004 14:49:38.0695 (UTC) FILETIME=[491B3970:01C3E740] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i0UEnek05280 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There really isn't a "stop" on the EDP. You can either reset the loop which erases all of the audio or you can mute it. While muted, the loop continues silently. If you then hit mute again, you will either here the loop in progress or here it from the beginning depending on how the "MuteMode" parameter is set (that answers your second question). So the answer to your first question is that stop is mute. With Loop III, mute did not send a song stop. With Loop IV, mute can send a song stop (again depending on parameters). Going from one looper to the other can throw you when some of the simple controls differ slightly. I went from a Line6 DL4 to the EDP and spent some time hitting the wrong buttons before I got used to it. Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: AvgJoe [mailto:paul_sanders@adelphia.net] > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 9:35 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Echoplex and MIDI out > > Allow me to simplify this whole question a bit. I've got a guy wanting to > buy my Repeater and I need to know this EDP will do the basics of what I do > with my live act before I send the repeater away. > > 1. I've recorded some loops and the are playing. How do I > stop (not mute)? > > 1a. When I've done whatever the answer to 1. is, does it send a > SongStop, regardless of whether the EDP is a sync master or sync slave? > > 2. Once I've stopped the loop as describe above, can I restart it without > re-recording? How? > > I must be a real simpleton, but the lack of "stop" and "play" buttons throws > me a little not having my hands on the box to sort it out. > > Thanks, > > Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 30 09:58:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0UEpwg05785; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:51:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:51:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:51:42 +0100 Subject: Public music beta testing - preview of upcoming CD release From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009901c3e658$83634f20$f268f93f@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, I would like to invite anyone interested in ambient live electronica/looping to listen to the upcoming CD with per2per. When we played at a festival this summer they recorded us to DAT. We are quite happy with the recording and plan to release it on CD. But we really don't know how to market the beast since it is 55:56 long. If it's not "a single album" it might be "an album single".... or what? And is there a relevant "musical style" to file it under? We're open for suggestions. The beta listening page is to be found at http://www.looproom.com/p2p and please don't be shy to post comments to the guest book ;-) Thank you Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 30 10:48:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0UFhVu13759; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:43:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:43:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Echoplex and MIDI out Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:43:28 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Echoplex and MIDI out thread-index: AcPnP1HKhx3rz1p9TmOipOmJpdO1gwAAC3cgAAIHL7A= From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2004 15:43:28.0648 (UTC) FILETIME=[CE4EF080:01C3E747] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i0UFhVk13736 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wrote: > If you then hit mute again, you will either here the loop in > progress or here it from the beginning depending on how the > "MuteMode" parameter is set. Ummm .... "hear". One misspelling I can write off to quick typing. Two ... well ... lack of coffee maybe? Glenn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 30 12:01:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0UGquV23761; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:52:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:52:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004801c3e751$76c69980$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: Subject: Re: Echoplex and MIDI out Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:52:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <0lIIN.A.KzF.ovoGAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > There really isn't a "stop" on the EDP. You can either reset the > loop which erases all of the audio or you can mute it. While muted, > the loop continues silently. If you then hit mute again, you will > either here the loop in progress or here it from the beginning > depending on how the "MuteMode" parameter is set (that answers > your second question). And by the way, if you are using the EDP in series, and have the mix knob turned to 50%/50% (dry/loop), muting does NOT mute the dry signal. You are only muting the loop. So, you can keep playing while the loop is "stopped" or muted. If you use the EDP in parallel, and have the mix knob turned to 100% loop, it's a moot point! :) I couldn't resist. Doug (for full disclosure, I'm the guyng looking to buy Paul's Repeater, so everybody get him comfortable with the EDP!) (PSS: I also run two EDPs in stereo. It's flawless in my experience) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 30 14:29:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0UJOPJ16616; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 14:24:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 14:24:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007501c3e768$a6fb2dc0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Recent Steve Roach Interview Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 14:38:35 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just trying to make sure everyone's aware of this recent Steve Roach interview, which I felt had some very thoughtful questions by rik maclean and equally thoughtful responses from Roach: http://www.pingthings.com/PTfeaturesNF.htm There's no discussion of "live looping" but he does talk about his opinions on sample loop libraries and such. I know Roach is a longtime user of JamPersons in the creation of his soundworlds. He may use other loopers now too. When I had the pleasure of opening for Robert Rich a couple of years ago, I noted that he used a Repeater, Line 6 EchoPro, 2 DL-4s and, if memory serves me, an EDP. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 30 21:11:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0V27N712049; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 21:07:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 21:07:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 21:07:23 -0500 Subject: Torn show From: Andre Cholmondeley To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i0V27Mk12025 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David Torn (ensemble show) with Andre LaFosse (opening) WHERE: NYC - MAKOR performance space -35 W 67th. WHEN: WED JAN 28 - 2004 Well well - the snow ­ it sucked royally to park!!.. And thatąs a tough area to park anyway.. After the show I had to be PUSHED outta the spot I was in... Yikes. The snow/NYC parking debacle did make me miss my good buddy/opening act Andre LaFosse... Śwest coast andreą to my Śeast coast andreą... As weąre known here on ye olde loopers e-list. Tho -we may confuse the issue and switch coasts next year (?) WHO: DAVID TORN/guitar textures, madness and beauty. FIMA EPHRON/ac and el bass (screaming headless torsos etc), and one of my fave sax players TIM BERNE, plus BEN PEROWSKY on skins, a couple triggers and real bells. Super inspiring. WHAT: Torn played a new guitar (what was that...?). Axe had a myriad of cool swqitches yeilding many diff sounds --there was also a little condenser(?) mic on the upper horn of the gtr -- for sampling whatever..EDP, Repeater, Korg Electribe..and many other custom and strange sound makers/tweakers... all thru Rivera amps and a SECRET new tube head that he is co-designing with an amp god... HOW: Great show.. What can I say...?? Seemed like a lot of free-form improv stuff - the best! I didnąt really recognize any themes per se... DT would somehow capture Tim Berne's sax playing.. And loop it..layer it, send it back to Tim as a bass line...rhythmic bed..or counterpoint melodies. This was f-in great to hear and see - it was truly 'live production and editing'. If you don't know Berne's work check it out NOW.... What a quietly revolutionary player...Very wide dynamic range. The quartet moved from jazzy feel to over-the top skronk with nary a seam. Fima is such a great listener. He would come in with a funky pattern right when it was really needed. Never fell into the bass trap of 'groove-groove-groove-and-never-stop playing' BEST PART WAS - everyone onstage LISTENED to the other musicians.... Wow! Musically - Super inspiring. Torn's chunk of the universe makes me really feel at home.. Polyrhythms... African/asia/mid east/beefheartian and other melodies float in and out.. Mutant-Jazz chords...the soul of HENDRIX... Loops, textures, building-melting filtered distorto sounds..and gentle winds of ambience.... SITINGS: A quick pre-show hello with another buddy - violinist Todd Reynolds... You can hear him with ETHEL, Betty Buckley, Steve Reich and sooo many other artists!! Todd and Andre have some kinda looping workshop on Saturday Got to meet Torn sound engineer/Levin Band engineer/recordist/cool dude Robert Frazza..also met LOU from the loopers-delight group....RICHARD also... And I'm ashamed to say I forgot a couple other names!! But - the group was well represented!! Got to talk a bit of shop and music with DT - we also talked a bit about the excellent soundtracks for TRAFFIC and THREE KINGS - at that point Mr Torn also recommended his recent soundtrack for THE ORDER... [I wanted to see that anyway... Itąs (loosely) about the dark secret crap and secret societies the catholic church gets into behind locked doors....NO - this isn't a statement on the ENTIRE church..save yer email explanation...] SITES: TORN http://splattercell.com/ EPHRON http://www.fimamusic.com/fima/bio.html BERNE http://www.screwgunrecords.com/ PEROWSKY http://www.perowsky.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 30 23:01:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0V3wso27911; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:58:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:58:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.162.163.20] X-Originating-Email: [matthewf5@hotmail.com] X-Sender: matthewf5@hotmail.com From: "Matthew Wiley" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Torn show Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 21:58:47 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2004 03:58:47.0854 (UTC) FILETIME=[876784E0:01C3E7AE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The guitar DT is now playing is made by Saul Koll/Koll Guitars. DT calls it the Naugahyde Tornado. The amp/head was built by Reinhold Bogner and has been dubbed "Furry" by DT. Was there another head/amp? If so that would have been the Judybox "Splattatone." Koll pics: http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=3235028&uid=1684866 peace, -matt >From: Andre Cholmondeley >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Torn show >Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 21:07:23 -0500 > > >David Torn (ensemble show) with Andre LaFosse (opening) > > >WHERE: NYC - MAKOR performance space -35 W 67th. > >WHEN: WED JAN 28 - 2004 > >Well well - the snow ­ it sucked royally to park!!.. And thatąs a tough >area to park anyway.. After the show I had to be PUSHED outta the spot I >was >in... Yikes. The snow/NYC parking debacle did make me miss my good >buddy/opening act Andre LaFosse... Śwest coast andreą to my Śeast coast >andreą... As weąre known here on ye olde loopers e-list. Tho -we may >confuse >the issue and switch coasts next year (?) > >WHO: DAVID TORN/guitar textures, madness and beauty. FIMA EPHRON/ac and el >bass (screaming headless torsos etc), and one of my fave sax players TIM >BERNE, plus BEN PEROWSKY on skins, a couple triggers and real bells. Super >inspiring. > >WHAT: Torn played a new guitar (what was that...?). Axe had a myriad of >cool >swqitches yeilding many diff sounds --there was also a little condenser(?) >mic on the upper horn of the gtr -- for sampling whatever..EDP, Repeater, >Korg Electribe..and many other custom and strange sound makers/tweakers... >all thru Rivera amps and a SECRET new tube head that he is co-designing >with >an amp god... > >HOW: Great show.. What can I say...?? Seemed like a lot of free-form >improv >stuff - the best! I didnąt really recognize any themes per se... > >DT would somehow capture Tim Berne's sax playing.. And loop it..layer it, >send it back to Tim as a bass line...rhythmic bed..or counterpoint >melodies. >This was f-in great to hear and see - it was truly 'live production and >editing'. If you don't know Berne's work check it out NOW.... What a >quietly >revolutionary player...Very wide dynamic range. The quartet moved from >jazzy >feel to over-the top skronk with nary a seam. Fima is such a great >listener. >He would come in with a funky pattern right when it was really needed. >Never >fell into the bass trap of 'groove-groove-groove-and-never-stop playing' > >BEST PART WAS - everyone onstage LISTENED to the other musicians.... Wow! > >Musically - Super inspiring. Torn's chunk of the universe makes me really >feel at home.. Polyrhythms... African/asia/mid east/beefheartian and other >melodies float in and out.. Mutant-Jazz chords...the soul of HENDRIX... >Loops, textures, building-melting filtered distorto sounds..and gentle >winds >of ambience.... > >SITINGS: A quick pre-show hello with another buddy - violinist Todd >Reynolds... You can hear him with ETHEL, Betty Buckley, Steve Reich and >sooo >many other artists!! Todd and Andre have some kinda looping workshop on >Saturday > >Got to meet Torn sound engineer/Levin Band engineer/recordist/cool dude >Robert Frazza..also met LOU from the loopers-delight group....RICHARD >also... And I'm ashamed to say I forgot a couple other names!! But - the >group was well represented!! > >Got to talk a bit of shop and music with DT - we also talked a bit about >the >excellent soundtracks for TRAFFIC and THREE KINGS - at that point Mr Torn >also recommended his recent soundtrack for THE ORDER... [I wanted to see >that anyway... Itąs (loosely) about the dark secret crap and secret >societies the catholic church gets into behind locked doors....NO - this >isn't a statement on the ENTIRE church..save yer email explanation...] > >SITES: >TORN http://splattercell.com/ >EPHRON http://www.fimamusic.com/fima/bio.html >BERNE http://www.screwgunrecords.com/ >PEROWSKY http://www.perowsky.com/ > _________________________________________________________________ Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN. http://wine.msn.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 31 00:24:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0V5Lua06869; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 00:21:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 00:21:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <6056BAB5-53AD-11D8-8DCD-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Cycloptopuss Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 21:21:51 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Happened to catch these guys last night, in Seattle, at the Seamonster Lounge. A three-piece with some great looping. At first glance I thought it was bass/drums/guitar, but then I noticed that it was actually two bassists and a drummer. One of the bassists just grooved on the low-end, the other guy played lead bass, which I usually don't like, but this guy was wonderful. Over the course of their set, which was just a continuous block of music (they were playing when I showed up and when I left), he played bass, looped his vocalisings on a DL-4, played electric piano (feeding a second DL-4) and even picked up an electric guitar for a while. The drummer never stopped, he'd just take a cue from one of the other guys and segue into a new groove every ten minutes or so. I couldn't find any info on them on the web, but if they come to your neck of the woods I recommend them highly. TravisH *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 31 03:20:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0V8Hm704064; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 03:17:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 03:17:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040131081742.51236.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 00:17:42 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: LIVE LOOPED BEATBOXING review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <009901c3e658$83634f20$f268f93f@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow man this sounds really exciting!!! i would really appreciate it if you could send me links about this microphone with integrated fxs and its funny, i asked the L.D. community about a year ago about a video software that could be synced to rhythmic loops via midi and nobody responded to this and now you are giving me the link i was looking for! I am very interested in integrating images live and would like links also to unique artists who make good abstract videos. Ok off to munich bro and tomorrow california yes i can´t wait to eat tacos with lots of salsa and guacamole! cheers Louie --- "loop.pool" wrote: > I was part of one of the coolest gigs I've ever done > last night in San > Francisco's > Protrero Hill section. I just wanted to tell you > all about it and hip you > to some incredible new looping > artists that I just became aware of. > > I performed with three amazing BeatBoxers who were > all using live looping > gear > (from a very short digital delay loop to a > sophisticated midi pedal driven > Abletons' live laptop > performance) in San Francisco at the IllBilly > Rhodehouse on Portrero Hill. > > I have to single out to a couple of amazing > performers: > > KID LUCKY who has been an incredible performer and > archiver/producer/historian of the beatboxing > movement in New York City > did a fascinating performance utilizing two brand > new pieces of > techology: an amazing microphone with built in > effects that he used with > his mouth put up against this throat to achieve > sounds that went from guitar > feedback-esque sounds to industrial sounds to > incredible beat box mastery to > spoken word.........................all the while > controlling video software > in real time > with a new program that allows audio to control > video from Edirol !!!!! I > wish I knew the names of the individual instruments, > but maybe if he is > lurking, he can fill us in on the stuff. He used > a lot of long reverb on > his whole performance and it made it sound like > listening to a chronicling > of urban culture > through an old Victrola............both futuristic > and archaic at the same > time.............it was a really haunting effect and > I was really impressed > by his artistry and vision. Please check his shit > out. > > KID BEYOND was not only the producer of the event, > but had an extremely > sophisticated and entertaining show he put together. > He is not only an > encylopedia of great beat box effects but he has a > beautiful soul/r&b voice > and a nice understanding of vocal harmony. He > accurately mimicked > everything from turntable scratching to techno synth > bass sounds to > harmonicas to digital echo effects. > Wow!!!!! For me, the tour de force of his whole > show was his opening > number where he accurately simulated a Portishead > song.....................with ALL the musical > elements. It was such an > accurate reproduction that spontaneous cheers > erupted several times in the > middle of the performance as people realized that he > had pulled off another > effect, perfectly.............all without > effects..........only voice. > > I was also very impressed with his command and use > of the laptop and > ableton's live. He told me afterwards that his > intention was to never touch > the laptop and he was successful with his use of > midi pedal implementation of the loops.This > immeasurably added to the > stength of the performance. I've been a bit > critical of LIVE because you > have to use a metronome to start a piece, but KID > BEYOND cleverly used a > vocal 'hit hat' simulation so the effect was very > consistent. He's the > first person to make me seriously reconsider getting > into that program for > live work and that says a lot. He completely > transcended the 'gearhead' > live looping show and was entertaining, inspiring > and funny during his set. > > I must also say that he is really working hard to > keep beatboxing very > active in San Francisco and he also has a really big > heart: involved with > community service projects and benefits. > > The incomparable Zoe Keating also provided some > beatiful counterpoint to the > all vocal > evening----it was my CD release party for SF with my > all vocal CD) on cello. > What a beautiful musician she is. I just love her > stuff and can't wait to > buy a solo cello looping CD from here. > > I also really enjoyed a very young and extremely > talented beatboxing artist > named EACH. > This young man has an incredible future ahead of > him. He also, for my > money, was the dopest pure > beatboxer on the bill. I pride myself on being > able to simulate a lot of > drum effects in my limited > use of beatboxing..................this punk made me > completely embarrased > to go on stage............what a repertoire and also > very, very > sophisticated rhythmically (which you don't always > hear in beatboxing). > > I had a fun set and was really warmly recieved by > the audience who were > generous and enthusiastic the whole evening. My > ears were ringing from the > high pitched whoops and hollers at the end of every > set. > > To top it all off............the Illbilly Rhodehouse > who hosted us in a > beautiful former 19th century Portero Hill saloon is > a very intimate venue. > They are going to have other performances and I > can't wait to go back and > play again for these really enthusiastic and warm > supporters of new art in > the city. > > I knew it was a succesful event because every artist > was talking with every > other artist about collaborating on future projects > at the end of the > gig.............a very good sign, indeed. > > Well, tonight I got to see my brother, Bill Walker > do some very tasty live > looping, backing his sweetheart Nancy LeVan as she > was given the prestigious > Gail Rich Award for Service and Accomplishements in > the Arts tonight and > tomorrow night, I"m off to see the wonderfully > creative and inventive Steve > Lawson and Michael Manring at the Espresso Gardens > tonight. > > What a fantastic live looping week!!!!! I feel > happy to be alive. > > yours, Rick Walker > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 31 05:03:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0VA1iX26392; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 05:01:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 05:01:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: "'Andrew Chaikin'" Cc: Subject: RE: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 02:01:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcPf94sXCgl6k9bGSFuEeikwbP9kKwH5uIhg In-Reply-To: <00d001c3dff7$807b5b70$12891f43@Ngaio> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm making use of a Windows utility called MIDI Translator, which translates MIDI events into any sequence of keystrokes you want. MIDI Translator can be found at http://www.bome.com . Andrew Chaikin ---->WOW! Works pretty good! Solving a lot of problems for me! Thanks! Gary PS The demo is free and fully functional--Keep on Rockin' in the Free World!!! G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 31 09:39:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0VEc4T20164; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 09:38:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 09:38:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ba01c3e807$e0a76df0$b6705643@elfmaster> From: "RemyC" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: The 100-Megabit Guitar in WIRED Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 09:38:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wired magazine http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.01/guitar.html The mercurial CEO of Gibson Guitar Corporation wants to shove Ethernet up your ax and rock the music world. Issue 12.01 - January 2004 The 100-Megabit Guitar Gibson's maverick CEO wants to shove Ethernet up your ax and rock the music world. By Greg Milner Before rock and roll had a past, Les Paul shaped its future. In 1952, the Gibson guitar company worked with Paul to help design a solid-body electric guitar. What he gave them wasn't the world's first, but it was the best alternative to the hollow-body instrument that had become the industry standard. The 12 pounds or so of thick mahogany gave the revamped ax a chunky, rich tone that prefigured rock and roll. Dubbed the "Les Paul," the instrument would become the primary source of rock's power-chord crunch, a legacy that stretches from Jimmy Page and Neil Young through Aerosmith's Joe Perry and Guns N' Roses' Slash. The guitar's noise-canceling humbucker pickups provided a clarity that helped Jerry Garcia sculpt his solos when he wasn't playing custom guitars. Through all this musical history, the Les Paul has remained virtually unchanged, because no one would dare change it. Except for Henry Juszkiewicz, Gibson's mercurial CEO. He wants to shove an Ethernet cable into it. The technology inside the electric guitar has been set since the 1930s: Magnetic pickups convert string vibrations into electrical impulses. Gibson's new Les Paul, with proprietary Magic technology, does something else altogether, something no other guitar does. An audio converter inside the instrument's body translates string vibrations into a digital signal that can travel over a standard Cat-5 Ethernet cable. The company will continue to sell traditional Les Pauls, but Juszkiewicz thinks it won't be long before all guitarists go digital. "We're improving the electric guitar for the first time in 70 years," he explains. Why mess with perfection? The Stradivarius violin hasn't changed since the 17th century, so why should the Stradivarius of guitars? "That's like asking, Why progress?" Juszkiewicz says. "Progress will happen. If Henry Juszkiewicz didn't build a digital guitar, I can assure you the digital guitar would still happen." Like Sony and Philips with the compact disc 20 years ago, Gibson is making a big bet on Magic, whose success hinges on nothing less than the reinvention of an entire industry. But unlike the recording business, which has a history of using innovation to fuel growth, most guitar companies live comfortably in the past. "The business is incredibly conservative," says Adrian Freed, research director at the Guitar Innovation Group at the UC Berkeley's Center for New Music and Audio Technologies. "One thing I can say about Henry without reservation is that he desperately wants to introduce some innovation." The desperation isn't driven by sales. In the US alone nearly a million electric guitars were purchased in 2002 - three times as many as a decade ago - to the tune of $477 million. Most of the guitars - roughly 85 percent - were knockoffs of the Les Paul and its only real competition, Fender's Stratocaster. And since Juszkiewicz took control of Gibson, in 1986, revenue has soared. The Music Trades, an industry journal, estimates Gibson's annual revenue increased from $12 million to $130 million in 2002. (Gibson, a private company, will not reveal figures.) Despite sales success, Juszkiewicz says there's more work to do. The Les Paul may not be connecting with the generation whose idea of a garage band is a kid hunched over a laptop with Pro Tools. Since Guns N' Roses imploded in the mid-'90s, no Les Paul player has commanded the cross-genre visibility of Slash in his heyday. Metallica's Kirk Hammett and Weezer's Rivers Cuomo, both Les Paul players, don't have Slash's following or showmanship. Juszkiewicz is banking on his digital strategy to reignite excitement for the Les Paul. It won't be easy. For starters, the Magic guitar's Ethernet output is incompatible with traditional guitar gear. No amplifier or effects pedal on the market today works with the instrument. For now, musicians will need to plug the guitar into a "breakout box" that converts the digital signal back to analog; a standard guitar cable plugs into the box's output. Second, guitars that work with the digital world via MIDI, the universal language of musical instruments, do exist. Guitarists like Radiohead's Jonny Greenwood already make all kinds of digitally enhanced noise onstage. The CEO of one rival company told me, "If you can figure out what Henry is trying to do, let me know." And Peter Swiadon, a product manager for the Roland Corporation, says, "No disrespect to Henry, but Magic looks like a solution in search of a problem." The magic about Magic is portability. Greenwood may have a digital world at his fingertips, but his guitar still delivers an analog signal, requiring mediating devices to make it digital. The goal of the Magic guitar is to be fully plug-and-play, so a musician can simply jack it into a PC - no USB cables or external devices necessary. And while MIDI is just a sequence of instructions, Magic transmits real digital audio. The signal is digitized at the source and remains digital thereafter. What you get is what you keep, without the noise, interference, and other vagaries of the messy analog world. "Magic just sounds better," Juszkiewicz insists. "It sounds more authentic." Culture critic Walter Benjamin famously claimed that art had lost its aura in the mechanical age. But ever since the first digital-analog converters for audio appeared in the '60s, proponents have said the technology might recapture it. They insist that digitizing sound, an inherently transformational process, actually does a better job of preserving it, because no information is lost from the moment audio is captured to the moment it's played back. The Magic guitar, Juszkiewicz says, takes the next step - it doesn't just preserve sound, it improves it. Guitars have typically been paired with digital technology to create various kinds of synthesizers. More recently, advances in sound modeling, using complex algorithms that simulate other instruments, have created a sort of identity crisis in the guitar world. In 2002, California-based Line 6 unveiled its Variax, which mimics 26 classic guitars - everything from a 1935 Dobro Alumilite to a 1968 Rickenbacker - with remarkable precision. Juszkiewicz is taking Gibson in the opposite direction. "We're not synthesizing sound," he says. "We're putting out a much better original signal." His claim, in essence, is that Magic makes the Les Paul sound more like itself. Gibson appears to have solved a problem that has dogged digital instrument design for years. It's not enough to engineer a digital-audio converter and a delivery system that can reproduce sound with sufficient nuance. The technology also has to make sure the bits become audible with little delay. The human ear is remarkably sensitive - much like the eye - and can detect a glitch if even one bit is misplaced. Magic can deliver sound a few thousand meters in microseconds, and because all devices connected by the technology run on the same clock, the data remains synchronous. Juszkiewicz says he realized early in Magic's 10-year development process that his research team was on the verge of creating a networking technology with applications far beyond the music world. "He'd come in and say things like, 'This is gonna solve coronary heart problems!'" one early developer recalls. Magic, an acronym for media-accelerated global information carrier, can direct the flow of up to 64 channels of information, all on one Ethernet network. In a concert hall, this means a bulky analog snake of cables could be replaced by a single Cat-5. It also means real-time collaboration. Stanford staged a concert last fall that linked several musicians at different locations who improvised with each other over a system developed by NetworkSound, the first company to build a business plan around Magic. The school was so pleased that its Center for Computer Research in Music and Acoustics will also tap the technology for its recording facilities. "We're dividing our studios across 2 kilometers, and we can just grab a fiber on the campus network and make remote studios with zero delay," explains music professor Chris Chafe. "It's foolproof." When Juszkiewicz's R&D company, Phi Technologies, bought Gibson in 1986, the guitar maker was so close to bankruptcy that it went for only $5 million. He was just 33, with a bachelor's in engineering and an MBA from Harvard but no experience in the guitar world other than being a pretty good guitarist himself. He immediately vowed to grow the company by 30 percent a year. Gibson's previous owner was ECL Industries (later Norlin Industries), an Ecuadorian company that made, among other things, concrete and beer. Not only did the quality of Gibson guitars decline under ECL, but production slowed, which drove up manufacturing costs just as the market was invaded by cheap Les Paul copies. Juszkiewicz fired the management team and set about reasserting the singularity of the Gibson brand. To counter rumors among musicians that the firm was Japanese-owned, he promoted Gibson with the new slogan "American Guitars - Built by American Musicians." But improving the quality of the guitars was only part of his strategy. Juszkiewicz had lawsuits filed against companies he thought were infringing on Gibson's trademark. Among his targets: Heritage Guitar, which was founded by ex-employees of a Gibson factory in Kalamazoo, Michigan. Gibson didn't win any of the suits that made it to trial (after settling the Heritage suit, Juszkiewicz sued his own lawyers), but the litigation proved to be part of a hard-line strategy that put the company back on the map. Certainly, Gibson owes its turnaround in part to good timing. The first half of the '80s was not a fertile period for the type of rock associated with the Les Paul. The '70s hard-rock heroes, like Joe Perry and Jimmy Page, were either in rehab or on hiatus. Synth-driven music owned the charts. But soon after Juszkiewicz took over, Guns N' Roses emerged, first as the second coming of Aerosmith and then as the biggest band on the planet. Slash was a devoted Les Paul player. Once again, the world sounded like the Les Paul. Juszkiewicz has been less successful in his mission to expand Gibson beyond guitars. Trace Elliott amps, Opcode Systems (a music software company), and Steinberger Sound are a few of his acquisitions. None have made Gibson any money; some have gone out of business and others have borne the brunt of Juszkiewicz's litigious streak. A Yamaha exec jokes, "Sometimes the best we can hope for our competitors is that they get bought by Gibson." Other rivals dismiss Juszkiewicz as a threat, referring to him as a "psycho" and a "wack-job." In person, he is laid-back and laconic, exactly the disposition you'd expect from someone who sells guitars for a living. So when he told me, "Oh yeah, I'm very frightening," I assumed he was kidding. My mistake. "No, seriously, I'm like a prophet. I always get put down, and then later, people realize I'm right." At roughly $50 million and counting, Magic is Juszkiewicz's biggest investment gamble yet. The real risk is his plan to give away Magic technology, betting that consumer electronics and music companies will build it into their products, from electronic instruments to HDTVs and smart fridges. The more Magic becomes accepted, Juszkiewicz figures, the more Magic guitars Gibson can sell. The firm also recently launched a new division, Gibson Audio, to market its own consumer products, including digital versions of amps and jukeboxes. It could all backfire, of course. Open standard or not, Magic is still one man trying to convince everyone else that he has the answer. "Digital transmission is the future, but I don't know which system will ultimately be the future," says Barani Subbiah of NetworkSound. Juszkiewicz may go down in history as the wack-job who took Gibson too far down the digital road, but his stubborn determination may at least give the world its first classic digital guitar. Greg Milner (gimilner @ yahoo.com) writes about music and technology. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 31 09:55:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0VEt0n22898; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 09:55:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 09:55:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00ba01c3e807$e0a76df0$b6705643@elfmaster> References: <00ba01c3e807$e0a76df0$b6705643@elfmaster> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 09:55:20 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ritsu Katsumata Subject: on-line demo and gig spam for ithacans Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-PMX-Version: 4.1.1.86173 Resent-Message-ID: <-HKCn.A.plF.EH8GAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Looopers, I got a Loopstation on the advice of many of you out there last year, and finally have a demo that includes a track that uses it. http://www.ritsu.com/portfolio/demo.html Also, I have a concert in Ithaca with the inimitable BLAISE BRYSKI, pianist, on Sunday Feb 8 at 4:30 PM if any of you are from this area-- AD WHITE HOUSE CORNELL UNIV Sunday Feb 8 4:30 admission free sponsored by the Cornell Socity for Humanities refreshments served! program includes Ravel's "Tzigane", Brahms "Violin and Piano Sonata #3", and David Borden's "K261.01 second movement" on acoustic violin and piano and Original compositions and improvisations on the Electric Violin and LoopStation. Thanks for all your looping advice! Will need more soon... -- Ritsu Katsumata -------------->>>www.ritsu.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 31 09:58:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0VEvDa23425; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 09:57:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 09:57:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c3e80c$7e67f6a0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: Tokyo - January 31 to Feb 4th Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:11:25 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A friend is in Tokyo from January 31 to Feb 4th. Are there any interesting live electronic/ambient/prog/experimental music events happening that he could take in while he's there? Thanks, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 31 10:37:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0VFYee31165; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:34:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:34:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200401311534.i0VFYek31142@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: on-line demo and gig spam for ithacans Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:34:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcPoCk3arz69jOgWQeiWcsgoZuuBcgABVbMw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nice stuff there Ritsu loved it! -----Original Message----- From: Ritsu Katsumata [mailto:rk93@cornell.edu] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 9:55 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: on-line demo and gig spam for ithacans Hello Looopers, I got a Loopstation on the advice of many of you out there last year, and finally have a demo that includes a track that uses it. http://www.ritsu.com/portfolio/demo.html Also, I have a concert in Ithaca with the inimitable BLAISE BRYSKI, pianist, on Sunday Feb 8 at 4:30 PM if any of you are from this area-- AD WHITE HOUSE CORNELL UNIV Sunday Feb 8 4:30 admission free sponsored by the Cornell Socity for Humanities refreshments served! program includes Ravel's "Tzigane", Brahms "Violin and Piano Sonata #3", and David Borden's "K261.01 second movement" on acoustic violin and piano and Original compositions and improvisations on the Electric Violin and LoopStation. Thanks for all your looping advice! Will need more soon... -- Ritsu Katsumata -------------->>>www.ritsu.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 31 11:18:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0VGCKA08408; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 11:12:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 11:12:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040131161214.75024.qmail@web80207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 08:12:14 -0800 (PST) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: does the edp pass mechanical control when sync'd in a stereo pair? To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...like, if i connect a volume pedal to the back of the unit, it won't pass this information to it's stereo partner like it will with midi, correct? -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 31 13:31:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0VISBm09529; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:28:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:28:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004201c3e829$f75d5ce0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents holzkopf and ANGELswing Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:42:23 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks to all the true Canadians (and a visitor from Fargo) who have been coming out in the nasty cold & the beautiful snow these last few weeks and filling up the Ping with a warm crowd. Check out a page of great photos by Arsen Shirokov of last week's artist Glenn Love with lasers by Dimitry at http://www.canadaballoons.com/Nia/ We conclude our Steve Roach frenzy this week by featuring his third CD release from the last month or two! - Scott M2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday February 3rd - holzkopf and ANGELswing First up, holzkopf (visiting from Saskatoon, Saskatchewan), plans a set of ambient/soundscapes building up to some beat driven and glitch parts near the end. Winter melodies, fuzzy drones & string samples compressed to hell, building in intensity like a bad drunk. Anchored to the soundscapes are rhythms lifted from rock & rap, allowing the occasional full-on outburst of feedback-driven breakdance music and electro-punk. http://www.daintydeathy.com Then, for the second set, (visiting from Courtice, Ontario), Dark Winter recording artist ANGELswing informs us: "If you like your music bleak and desolate, you will find yourself right at home. Think IDM/Noise/Black Ambient and you will most certainly be on the right track. Music is, without a doubt, the most powerful life-affirming force on this planet, but when it involves myself, it tends to blur the line somewhat. If you do choose to attend, you will not be disappointed - but remember, I like my music dark." http://www.darkwinter.com/dw04.html Between Sets CD - "Spirit Dome" by Steve Roach + vidnaObmana Created in a 1AM continuous 74-minute session and mastered without any additional editing or additions, "Spirit Dome" reveals a nocturnal world of gothic dreams from two ambient masters unafraid of the dark. http://www.steveroach.com http://www.vidnaobmana.be . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday February 10th - The Anti-Gravity Machine REBECCA CAMPBELL - vocals / samples (Jane Siberry, Fat Man Waving) http://www.rebeccacampbell.com MICHEAL KEITH - guitars / samples (MCF, quasiMODAL, Planet Of The Loops) http://www.michaelkeith.com ROBIN EASTON - turntables / samples (Boogie Wall Soundsystem, The Skanksters) http://www.liquidaires.com/content/bios/easton.asp GEORDIE HALEY - guitars / samples (guitar bonsai, Out Of Order, The Everytime Band) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Window Pain" by Building Castles Out of Matchsticks "Window Pain", the first release in Piehead Records' 2004 subscription series, is a fantastic collection of emotional and evocative electronic pieces from the vivid imagination of Building Castles Out of Matchsticks. Sounds and textures on the disc are warm and inviting, where all of the rough edges and sharp points have been rounded and buffed to a lustrous shine designed to lure the listener deeper under it's spell. There's a playful quality in many of these songs, a quirky charm about them that draws you in hoping you'll stay. You can't help but feel caught up in the music almost like secret jokes, locational humour shared with friends. There's darkness here as well, a sense of both absence and solitude that permeates throughout the disc, a slight aftertaste to the sweet sounds and tones that, well, isn't quite so sweet. Spiraling drones that are shared through "I have made a list of 374 reasons why I can't live with you and 375 reasons why I can never ever see you again" and "Your wandering demons throw pebbles through my heart" suggest a feeling of loss hidden only by painted clown smiles. And I guess that it's the masterful way in which these confliciting emotions are woven together and shared that makes me enjoy this release so much. With each new listen I find myself finding something new to smile at, something new that brings a tear to my eyes. And isn't that what all the best music does? rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com Steve Roach is currently the Featured Artist at ping things. Visit http://www.pingthings.com/PTfeaturesNF.htm to read an exclusive interview with this master of the ambient genre. Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 31 14:32:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0VJUEo25573; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:30:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:30:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "AvgJoe" To: Subject: RE: The 100-Megabit Guitar in WIRED Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:30:03 -0500 Message-ID: <003b01c3e830$a034e080$2100a8c0@APPLEPIE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-reply-to: <00ba01c3e807$e0a76df0$b6705643@elfmaster> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <7xQX6.A.UPG.GJAHAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Screw that. If we're hitting the net, let's go state of the art. 10Gigabit over Fibre! I mean hell, I want humbucker sounds too! So, do you think the Guitar players and Bass players will have their own seperate VLANs? :) Paul > -----Original Message----- > From: RemyC [mailto:remyc@prodigy.net] > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 9:38 AM > To: Loopers Delight > Subject: The 100-Megabit Guitar in WIRED > > > Wired magazine http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.01/guitar.html > > The mercurial CEO of Gibson Guitar Corporation wants to shove > Ethernet up your ax and rock the music world. > > Issue 12.01 - January 2004 > > The 100-Megabit Guitar > Gibson's maverick CEO wants to shove Ethernet up your ax and > rock the music world. By Greg Milner > > Before rock and roll had a past, Les Paul shaped its future. > In 1952, the Gibson guitar company worked with Paul to help > design a solid-body electric guitar. What he gave them wasn't > the world's first, but it was the best alternative to the > hollow-body instrument that had become the industry standard. > The 12 pounds or so of thick mahogany gave the revamped ax a > chunky, rich tone that prefigured rock and roll. Dubbed the > "Les Paul," the instrument would become the primary source of > rock's power-chord crunch, a legacy that stretches from Jimmy > Page and Neil Young through Aerosmith's Joe Perry and Guns N' > Roses' Slash. The guitar's noise-canceling humbucker pickups > provided a clarity that helped Jerry Garcia sculpt his solos > when he wasn't playing custom guitars. > > Through all this musical history, the Les Paul has remained > virtually unchanged, because no one would dare change it. > Except for Henry Juszkiewicz, Gibson's mercurial CEO. He > wants to shove an Ethernet cable into it. > > The technology inside the electric guitar has been set since > the 1930s: Magnetic pickups convert string vibrations into > electrical impulses. Gibson's new Les Paul, with proprietary > Magic technology, does something else altogether, something > no other guitar does. An audio converter inside the > instrument's body translates string vibrations into a digital > signal that can travel over a standard Cat-5 Ethernet cable. > The company will continue to sell traditional Les Pauls, but > Juszkiewicz thinks it won't be long before all guitarists go > digital. "We're improving the electric guitar for the first > time in 70 years," he explains. > > Why mess with perfection? The Stradivarius violin hasn't > changed since the 17th century, so why should the > Stradivarius of guitars? "That's like asking, Why progress?" > Juszkiewicz says. "Progress will happen. > > If Henry Juszkiewicz didn't build a digital guitar, I can > assure you the digital guitar would still happen." Like Sony > and Philips with the compact disc 20 years ago, Gibson is > making a big bet on Magic, whose success hinges on nothing > less than the reinvention of an entire industry. But unlike > the recording business, which has a history of using > innovation to fuel growth, most guitar companies live > comfortably in the past. "The business is incredibly > conservative," says Adrian Freed, research director at the > Guitar Innovation Group at the UC Berkeley's Center for New > Music and Audio Technologies. "One thing I can say about > Henry without reservation is that he desperately wants to > introduce some innovation." > > The desperation isn't driven by sales. In the US alone nearly > a million electric guitars were purchased in 2002 - three > times as many as a decade ago - to the tune of $477 million. > Most of the guitars - roughly 85 percent - were knockoffs of > the Les Paul and its only real competition, Fender's > Stratocaster. And since Juszkiewicz took control of Gibson, > in 1986, revenue has soared. The Music Trades, an industry > journal, estimates Gibson's annual revenue increased from $12 > million to $130 million in 2002. (Gibson, a private company, > will not reveal figures.) > > Despite sales success, Juszkiewicz says there's more work to > do. The Les Paul may not be connecting with the generation > whose idea of a garage band is a kid hunched over a laptop > with Pro Tools. Since Guns N' Roses imploded in the mid-'90s, > no Les Paul player has commanded the cross-genre visibility > of Slash in his heyday. Metallica's Kirk Hammett and Weezer's > Rivers Cuomo, both Les Paul players, don't have Slash's > following or showmanship. Juszkiewicz is banking on his > digital strategy to reignite excitement for the Les Paul. > > It won't be easy. For starters, the Magic guitar's Ethernet > output is incompatible with traditional guitar gear. No > amplifier or effects pedal on the market today works with the > instrument. For now, musicians will need to plug the guitar > into a "breakout box" that converts the digital signal back > to analog; a standard guitar cable plugs into the box's > output. Second, guitars that work with the digital world via > MIDI, the universal language of musical instruments, do > exist. Guitarists like Radiohead's Jonny Greenwood already > make all kinds of digitally enhanced noise onstage. The CEO > of one rival company told me, "If you can figure out what > Henry is trying to do, let me know." And Peter Swiadon, a > product manager for the Roland Corporation, says, "No > disrespect to Henry, but Magic looks like a solution in > search of a problem." > > The magic about Magic is portability. Greenwood may have a > digital world at his fingertips, but his guitar still > delivers an analog signal, requiring mediating devices to > make it digital. The goal of the Magic guitar is to be fully > plug-and-play, so a musician can simply jack it into a PC - > no USB cables or external devices necessary. And while MIDI > is just a sequence of instructions, Magic transmits real > digital audio. The signal is digitized at the source and > remains digital thereafter. What you get is what you keep, > without the noise, interference, and other vagaries of the > messy analog world. "Magic just sounds better," Juszkiewicz > insists. "It sounds more authentic." > > Culture critic Walter Benjamin famously claimed that art had > lost its aura in the mechanical age. But ever since the first > digital-analog converters for audio appeared in the '60s, > proponents have said the technology might recapture it. They > insist that digitizing sound, an inherently transformational > process, actually does a better job of preserving it, because > no information is lost from the moment audio is captured to > the moment it's played back. The Magic guitar, Juszkiewicz > says, takes the next step - it doesn't just preserve sound, > it improves it. > > Guitars have typically been paired with digital technology to > create various kinds of synthesizers. More recently, advances > in sound modeling, using complex algorithms that simulate > other instruments, have created a sort of identity crisis in > the guitar world. In 2002, California-based Line 6 unveiled > its Variax, which mimics 26 classic guitars - everything from > a 1935 Dobro Alumilite to a 1968 Rickenbacker - with > remarkable precision. Juszkiewicz is taking Gibson in the > opposite direction. "We're not synthesizing sound," he says. > "We're putting out a much better original signal." His claim, > in essence, is that Magic makes the Les Paul sound more like itself. > > Gibson appears to have solved a problem that has dogged > digital instrument design for years. It's not enough to > engineer a digital-audio converter and a delivery system that > can reproduce sound with sufficient nuance. The technology > also has to make sure the bits become audible with little > delay. The human ear is remarkably sensitive - much like the > eye - and can detect a glitch if even one bit is misplaced. > Magic can deliver sound a few thousand meters in > microseconds, and because all devices connected by the > technology run on the same clock, the data remains synchronous. > > Juszkiewicz says he realized early in Magic's 10-year > development process that his research team was on the verge > of creating a networking technology with applications far > beyond the music world. "He'd come in and say things like, > 'This is gonna solve coronary heart problems!'" one early > developer recalls. > > Magic, an acronym for media-accelerated global information > carrier, can direct the flow of up to 64 channels of > information, all on one Ethernet network. In a concert hall, > this means a bulky analog snake of cables could be replaced > by a single Cat-5. It also means real-time collaboration. > Stanford staged a concert last fall that linked several > musicians at different locations who improvised with each > other over a system developed by NetworkSound, the first > company to build a business plan around Magic. The school was > so pleased that its Center for Computer Research in Music and > Acoustics will also tap the technology for its recording > facilities. "We're dividing our studios across 2 kilometers, > and we can just grab a fiber on the campus network and make > remote studios with zero delay," explains music professor > Chris Chafe. "It's foolproof." > > When Juszkiewicz's R&D company, Phi Technologies, bought > Gibson in 1986, the guitar maker was so close to bankruptcy > that it went for only $5 million. He was just 33, with a > bachelor's in engineering and an MBA from Harvard but no > experience in the guitar world other than being a pretty good > guitarist himself. He immediately vowed to grow the company > by 30 percent a year. > > Gibson's previous owner was ECL Industries (later Norlin > Industries), an Ecuadorian company that made, among other > things, concrete and beer. Not only did the quality of Gibson > guitars decline under ECL, but production slowed, which drove > up manufacturing costs just as the market was invaded by > cheap Les Paul copies. Juszkiewicz fired the management team > and set about reasserting the singularity of the Gibson > brand. To counter rumors among musicians that the firm was > Japanese-owned, he promoted Gibson with the new slogan > "American Guitars - Built by American Musicians." But > improving the quality of the guitars was only part of his > strategy. Juszkiewicz had lawsuits filed against companies he > thought were infringing on Gibson's trademark. Among his > targets: Heritage Guitar, which was founded by ex-employees > of a Gibson factory in Kalamazoo, Michigan. Gibson didn't win > any of the suits that made it to trial (after settling the > Heritage suit, Juszkiewicz sued his own lawyers), but the > litigation proved to be part of a hard-line strategy that put > the company back on the map. > > Certainly, Gibson owes its turnaround in part to good timing. > The first half of the '80s was not a fertile period for the > type of rock associated with the Les Paul. The '70s hard-rock > heroes, like Joe Perry and Jimmy Page, were either in rehab > or on hiatus. Synth-driven music owned the charts. But soon > after Juszkiewicz took over, Guns N' Roses emerged, first as > the second coming of Aerosmith and then as the biggest band > on the planet. Slash was a devoted Les Paul player. Once > again, the world sounded like the Les Paul. > > Juszkiewicz has been less successful in his mission to expand > Gibson beyond guitars. Trace Elliott amps, Opcode Systems (a > music software company), and Steinberger Sound are a few of > his acquisitions. None have made Gibson any money; some have > gone out of business and others have borne the brunt of > Juszkiewicz's litigious streak. A Yamaha exec jokes, > "Sometimes the best we can hope for our competitors is that > they get bought by Gibson." Other rivals dismiss Juszkiewicz > as a threat, referring to him as a "psycho" and a "wack-job." > In person, he is laid-back and laconic, exactly the > disposition you'd expect from someone who sells guitars for a > living. So when he told me, "Oh yeah, I'm very frightening," > I assumed he was kidding. My mistake. "No, seriously, I'm > like a prophet. I always get put down, and then later, people > realize I'm right." > > At roughly $50 million and counting, Magic is Juszkiewicz's > biggest investment gamble yet. The real risk is his plan to > give away Magic technology, betting that consumer electronics > and music companies will build it into their products, from > electronic instruments to HDTVs and smart fridges. The more > Magic becomes accepted, Juszkiewicz figures, the more Magic > guitars Gibson can sell. The firm also recently launched a > new division, Gibson Audio, to market its own consumer > products, including digital versions of amps and jukeboxes. > > It could all backfire, of course. Open standard or not, Magic > is still one man trying to convince everyone else that he has > the answer. "Digital transmission is the future, but I don't > know which system will ultimately be the future," says Barani > Subbiah of NetworkSound. Juszkiewicz may go down in history > as the wack-job who took Gibson too far down the digital > road, but his stubborn determination may at least give the > world its first classic digital guitar. > > Greg Milner (gimilner @ yahoo.com) writes about music and technology. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 31 14:52:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0VJmgq29810; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:48:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:48:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00ba01c3e807$e0a76df0$b6705643@elfmaster> References: <00ba01c3e807$e0a76df0$b6705643@elfmaster> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 11:45:06 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: asterion@hell.com Subject: Re: The 100-Megabit Guitar in WIRED Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:38 AM -0500 1/31/04, RemyC wrote: >A Yamaha exec jokes, "Sometimes the best we can hope for our >competitors is that they get bought by Gibson." Other rivals dismiss >Juszkiewicz as a threat, referring to him as a "psycho" and a >"wack-job." This is the operant concept. -- /| |\ \ \ / / < * * > ( o o ) A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 31 16:36:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0VLXpT25364; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 16:33:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 16:33:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <2615D19C-5435-11D8-B077-000393D7CC50@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers Delight From: John Metzler Subject: MIDI Clock Thru FCB1010 to Sync EDP? Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 16:33:45 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Resent-Message-ID: <9TxtsC.A.NMG._8BHAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can anyone tell me how to sync the EDP to my computer's sequencing software while using the FCB1010. I can do this if I'm using the EFC-7 because then the MIDI IN on the EDP is still available for connecting to the computer. But when using the FCB1010 it is plugged into the EDP's MIDI IN so I can't plug the computer in there. So instead I went into the FCB1010's IN from the computer's out. The EDP is not quantizing button pushes or showing a led flashing pulse. The FCB1010 is showing a flashing LED, but not in sync with the MIDI clock, just flashing. Any suggestions? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 31 19:44:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i110eh409976; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 19:40:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 19:40:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 01:40:30 +0100 Subject: Re: MIDI Clock Thru FCB1010 to Sync EDP? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2615D19C-5435-11D8-B077-000393D7CC50@mac.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-01-31 22.33, "John Metzler" wrote: > So instead I went > into the FCB1010's IN from the computer's out. That's the way to do it! I'm recording with exactly that midi set-up here, but you have to enable midi through in the FCB1010. I found how to do that in the manual but I can't recall the detail right now. Check out the FCB manual. Best regards Per Boysen -- Public Music Beta Testing http://www.looproom.com/p2p/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 31 23:58:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i114uEX07178; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:56:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:56:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200402010456.i114uEk07150@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Lafosse/Reynolds clinic Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 22:56:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C3E84D.6D16C340" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcPmhpU42Kk8+E/sTF+U8VgWYa7Y7wB8Ijaw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C3E84D.6D16C340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ah this was excelent thanks Todd for hosting the clinic (you are definately the host with the most) it was a pleasure meeting you all (Todd, Jesse, Dave, Harry, Lou, Scott, Chris & Andre (did I miss anyone?)) and will say Andre is amazing I was already impressed by your music but getting to pick your brain and everyone else's was fabulous and quite fun. Thanks Alan Kroeger _____ Subject: Lafosse/Reynolds clinic After Andre's wonderful performance last nite, it'll be great to get together. Lou, Jesse, great to see you there, and paul sullivan was there as well and sends his regrets, which opens up a space. So, this message is in two parts. What I need and What you need. http://www.toddreynolds.com http://www.ethelcentral.com ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C3E84D.6D16C340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lafosse/Reynolds clinic
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