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Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 2 20:31:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i031UBs30427; Fri, 2 Jan 2004 20:30:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 20:30:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 20:31:05 -0500 From: Greg Waltzer Subject: Fringe Element at the Cosmic Coffeehouse in NJ To: beyond_em@yahoogroups.com, spacemusic@yahoogroups.com, the_ambient_way@yahoogroups.com, ambient@hyperreal.org, oddmusic@yahoogroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, philly_ambient@phobos.serve.com Message-id: <3FF61B59.1050203@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.3.1) Gecko/20030425 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com January 10, 2004 The Cosmic Coffeehouse music series in Crosswicks NJ presents Fringe Element, performing spontaneous organic electronic concoctions. Featuring Michael Victor, Jose Murcia, James Lacey and Greg Waltzer. http://.fringe-element.com http://.cosmiccoffeehouse.org This edition of the Cosmic Coffeehouse is the third in a series of musical gatherings at the Crosswicks Community House. Original electronic space music will be performed "in the round" by the quartet. The Crosswicks Community House will be transformed into an intimate venue to showcase these artists and their otherworldly musical visions. Settle in at a table for coffee, conversation and desserts, and open your eyes and ears to the lush soundscapes and spacey multimedia visuals. $10 admission at the door supports the Crosswicks Community Association. Doors open at 7pm, and the performance starts at 8pm. No children under 16 years old will be admitted. More "cosmic" evenings are already in the works. The next scheduled event is on Saturday, March 13th, 2004, featuring The Ministry of Inside Things and SNIB. Future coffeehouse events may include poetry readings, storytellers, a local talent showcase, acoustic singer/songwriters, and jazz. If you are interested in performing at any of these shows, or have any questions about the series, contact Ken Palmer at 609-298-1877, or at brainstatik@aol.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 3 09:00:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i03DxOA28964; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 08:59:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 08:59:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c3d201$6555fc00$79bdfea9@C030192> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D8yvind_Ruud?= To: Subject: Loop III and MIDI? Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 14:56:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3D209.C6E37580" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3D209.C6E37580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I'm Aasmund Ruud from Norway. This is my first post here at Looper's = Delight. I'm about to purchase an Echoplex; meanwhile I'm borrowing one from a = friend of mine. It has Loop III ver.5 in it. I've seen on this site a Midi implementation spread sheet for the Loop = IV, and I wonder if the newest software differ from the old one in that = respect? I use a Ground Control which sends CC's to the Echoplex that's set to = source 36; when I use the mentioned spread sheet as a reference to assign the = Reverse command, I get nothing.=20 Any help would be appreciated ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3D209.C6E37580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi, I'm Aasmund Ruud from Norway. This = is my first=20 post here at Looper's Delight.

I'm about to purchase an Echoplex; = meanwhile I'm=20 borrowing one from a friend of mine. It has Loop III ver.5 in = it.

I've seen on this site a Midi = implementation spread=20 sheet for the Loop IV, and I wonder if the newest software differ from = the old=20 one in that respect?

I use a Ground Control which sends CC's = to the=20 Echoplex that's set to source 36;

when I use the mentioned spread = sheet as=20 a reference to assign the Reverse command, I get nothing.=20

Any help would be=20 appreciated

------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3D209.C6E37580-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 3 09:11:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i03E8AQ30955; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 09:08:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 09:08:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 15:24:42 +0100 Subject: repeater wanted From: "C.Spering" To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'm looking for an electrix repeater. If anyone of you have one for sale please email me. Best wishes for 2004. /Christian Spering From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 3 09:29:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i03EQet02688; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 09:26:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 09:26:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: Loop III and MIDI? Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 06:26:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcPSAdNm9T92HA9XQt+C5VK03q/SVAAAqVIg In-Reply-To: <000a01c3d201$6555fc00$79bdfea9@C030192> Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Original: Hi, I'm Aasmund Ruud from Norway. This is my first post here at Looper's Delight. I'm about to purchase an Echoplex; meanwhile I'm borrowing one from a friend of mine. It has Loop III ver.5 in it. I've seen on this site a Midi implementation spread sheet for the Loop IV, and I wonder if the newest software differ from the old one in that respect? I use a Ground Control which sends CC's to the Echoplex that's set to source 36; when I use the mentioned spread sheet as a reference to assign the Reverse command, I get nothing. Any help would be appreciated -----> Howdy and welcome! The old software doesn't have half of the commands that are available to you with Loop III. I recommend getting it as soon as you can. In the meanwhile, tho, here is how you can get reverse to work for you. Set Insert to Reverse using the parameter button on the face of the unit, then send CC 41 (36+5, just like in the new software); that should do it for you. If you buy the EDP+, it has Loop IV already installed. Enjoy! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 3 10:36:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i03FWVc12684; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 10:32:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 10:32:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 16:32:26 +0100 Subject: Re: what a great tip, Rick........prepal rocks From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005a01c3d122$58c8be30$0701a8c0@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_UAPE.A.DGD.PCu9_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey - what is this? Talking to yerself, Rick? ;-D On 04-01-02 11.19, "loop.pool" wrote: > Wow, Rick, that PrePal site is just an awesome resource. I just spent 20 > minutes going through all of my wish list for vintage gear. > The fact that they link you to e-bay and sonic state is equally awesome. > > I see that it has a copyright bt AnalogX which is an awesome freeware site > with some killer DX plugins for Windows. > > Thanks a lot for the tip. I hope your looping is coming along well. > > yours, Rick > > > > >> Another place to check is over here. >> http://www.prepal.com/welcome.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 3 10:57:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i03Ft9K17768; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 10:55:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 10:55:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004801c3d211$f6b83450$b6705643@elfmaster> From: "RemyC" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: the invisible band links page Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 10:55:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <57hz1B.A.iVE.dXu9_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.theinvisibleband.mcmail.com/mustech.html amazin' collection of very cool music tech links... I don't see Loopers though. Hum... any volunteers? Remy C. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 3 12:28:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i03HPXU07845; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 12:25:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 12:25:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FF6FB19.50207@biink.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 12:25:45 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Yamaha UD Stomp--$200 References: <3FF4B99B.2010506@biink.com> <3FF4BB87.8000002@biink.com> In-Reply-To: <3FF4BB87.8000002@biink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com *Dimensions* (WxHxD) 280 x 70 x 184mm (11 x 2-3/4" x 7-1/4") ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Weight* 2.2kg (4lbs 14oz) Wow: big and heavy! Still thinkin' about getting one of these. I wonder if any stores in NJ carry these..... -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 3 12:35:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i03HY7a10597; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 12:34:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 12:34:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FF6FD1A.1060908@biink.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 12:34:18 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Yamaha UD Stomp--$200 References: <3FF4B99B.2010506@biink.com> <3FF4BB87.8000002@biink.com> <3FF6FB19.50207@biink.com> In-Reply-To: <3FF6FB19.50207@biink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David Beardsley wrote: > Still thinkin' about getting one of these. I wonder if any stores in NJ > carry these..... Never mind....there's a store locator on the Yamaha site. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 3 13:10:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i03I6Di19514; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 13:06:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 13:06:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040103180606.93558.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 10:06:06 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Loop III and MIDI? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000a01c3d201$6555fc00$79bdfea9@C030192> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Aasmund, As far as i know the Ground Control doesn�t work with the EDP i had one as well and got rid of it get a Behringer fcb1010 and you will be a lot luckier! Louie --- �yvind_Ruud wrote: > Hi, I'm Aasmund Ruud from Norway. This is my first > post here at Looper's Delight. > I'm about to purchase an Echoplex; meanwhile I'm > borrowing one from a friend of mine. It has Loop III > ver.5 in it. > I've seen on this site a Midi implementation spread > sheet for the Loop IV, and I wonder if the newest > software differ from the old one in that respect? > I use a Ground Control which sends CC's to the > Echoplex that's set to source 36; > when I use the mentioned spread sheet as a reference > to assign the Reverse command, I get nothing. > Any help would be appreciated > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 3 13:55:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i03IpSS30991; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 13:51:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 13:51:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: Loop III and MIDI? Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 13:51:25 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Loop III and MIDI? Thread-Index: AcPSJE+xr0XWqnkTQqizewsRMN4j0QABfHYQ From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2004 18:51:25.0262 (UTC) FILETIME=[968A6EE0:01C3D22A] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i03IpRk30968 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm finding that a little hard to believe. I haven't used a Ground Control but, while shopping for a MIDI controller, I went through the manuals for just about everything including the latest Ground Control Pro. It looks to me like you can get any foot controller to work with the EDP as long as you can figure out how to program it (and as long as the unit will let you program it). The only unit I saw where this wouldn't be possible was the Boss FC-50. I use an All Access and a Roland FC-200 and both work with the EDP quite nicely. For good timing on recording loops though, I like the softer buttons (FC-200, FCB1010, etc) over the harder click buttons (All Access, Ground Control Pro). As far as the original question goes ... there is a TON more MIDI support in Loop IV than there was in Loop III. Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > > Hi Aasmund, > As far as i know the Ground Control doesn�t work with > the EDP i had one as well and got rid of it > get a Behringer fcb1010 and you will be a lot luckier! > Louie > > --- �yvind_Ruud wrote: > > Hi, I'm Aasmund Ruud from Norway. This is my first > > post here at Looper's Delight. > > I'm about to purchase an Echoplex; meanwhile I'm > > borrowing one from a friend of mine. It has Loop III > > ver.5 in it. > > I've seen on this site a Midi implementation spread > > sheet for the Loop IV, and I wonder if the newest > > software differ from the old one in that respect? > > I use a Ground Control which sends CC's to the > > Echoplex that's set to source 36; > > when I use the mentioned spread sheet as a reference > > to assign the Reverse command, I get nothing. > > Any help would be appreciated From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 3 14:02:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i03IrG431508; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 13:53:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 13:53:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: EDP function recommendation (or question) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 13:53:13 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: EDP function recommendation (or question) Thread-Index: AcPP5eH1Wlb1Ud02SbyfNxydHj+vrACRQE2g From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2004 18:53:14.0150 (UTC) FILETIME=[D7716C60:01C3D22A] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i03IrFk31482 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > You have the whole day off tomorrow. after your hangover clears up, get out > the manual. Sit with it. Read the switchquantize section. Turn off the > loopcopy parameter. Push buttons. have fun! > > kim And of course you were right (as if there was ever any doubt). You'd think I would have learned by now to sit down and RTFM. That's why I love this device. Thanks again Kim. Glenn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 3 14:07:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i03J5ba03526; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 14:05:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 14:05:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 11:13:39 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: RE: sustainer system Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Luis, I'm sure both Ted K and Miko B who own these type of devices can give you more detail, but it has been my experience that It won't have any effect on the sound of your guitar, with the exception that many of these systems require you to replace a neck pickup with the sustainer pickup. If you love that throaty sound of a strat neck pickup you might have to forgoe that sound for the sustainer. If I'm not mistaken, I think some of sustainers also respond like conventional pickups, but I know most people are pretty picky about sound and may not like the sound of the sustainer as pickup. I also know that with a little routing you could put your pickup and the sustainer pickup side by side in the neck cavity, thereby having your cake, and eating it too. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 3 15:21:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i03KHtb18852; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 15:17:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 15:17:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040103201749.5427.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 12:17:49 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: sustainer system To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Bill, Thanx yes i just bought a fernandes elite pro a few months ago in ebay but 2 things bother me; the meaty strat sound of the neck pickup doesnt come through and the nightmarish Floyd Rose on it.This one has to be one of the worst inventions for a tremolo Guitarrist changing strings on stage is an experience you won�t forget! I bought it really cheap so i am either going to look for a more practical tremolo system or take the sustainer and put it in my strat...or just resell it and forget about it! But I must admit that it has a beautiful color and a really cool retro look,the look and feel are the things that atracted me in the first place (just like a girl you know... until you live with her;-) Cheers Luis --- "William R. Walker," wrote: > Hi Luis, I'm sure both Ted K and Miko B who own > these type of devices can > give you more detail, but it has been my experience > that It won't have any > effect on the sound of your guitar, with the > exception that many of these > systems require you to replace a neck pickup with > the sustainer pickup. If > you love that throaty sound of a strat neck pickup > you might have to forgoe > that sound for the sustainer. If I'm not mistaken, I > think some of > sustainers also respond like conventional pickups, > but I know most people > are pretty picky about sound and may not like the > sound of the sustainer as > pickup. I also know that with a little routing you > could put your pickup > and the sustainer pickup side by side in the neck > cavity, thereby having > your cake, and eating it too. > Bill > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 3 15:54:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i03KpkV28248; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 15:51:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 15:51:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040103205140.88893.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 12:51:40 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Ground control and EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sure you can use the GC to send simple program changes and CCs, but the EDP requires (as far as i know) a controller that will send Note ons even to program the basic functions The fcb 1010 works great with the EDP plus you have 2 exp pedals,all of this for a lot less money! cheers Louie --- Glenn Poorman wrote: > I'm finding that a little hard to believe. I haven't > used > a Ground Control but, while shopping for a MIDI > controller, > I went through the manuals for just about everything > including > the latest Ground Control Pro. It looks to me like > you can > get any foot controller to work with the EDP as long > as you > can figure out how to program it (and as long as the > unit > will let you program it). The only unit I saw where > this > wouldn't be possible was the Boss FC-50. I use an > All Access > and a Roland FC-200 and both work with the EDP quite > nicely. > > For good timing on recording loops though, I like > the softer > buttons (FC-200, FCB1010, etc) over the harder click > buttons > (All Access, Ground Control Pro). > > As far as the original question goes ... there is a > TON more > MIDI support in Loop IV than there was in Loop III. > > Glenn > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > > > > Hi Aasmund, > > As far as i know the Ground Control doesn�t work > with > > the EDP i had one as well and got rid of it > > get a Behringer fcb1010 and you will be a lot > luckier! > > Louie > > > > --- �yvind_Ruud wrote: > > > Hi, I'm Aasmund Ruud from Norway. This is my > first > > > post here at Looper's Delight. > > > I'm about to purchase an Echoplex; meanwhile I'm > > > borrowing one from a friend of mine. It has Loop > III > > > ver.5 in it. > > > I've seen on this site a Midi implementation > spread > > > sheet for the Loop IV, and I wonder if the > newest > > > software differ from the old one in that > respect? > > > I use a Ground Control which sends CC's to the > > > Echoplex that's set to source 36; > > > when I use the mentioned spread sheet as a > reference > > > to assign the Reverse command, I get nothing. > > > Any help would be appreciated > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 3 15:58:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i03KrSN28723; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 15:53:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 15:53:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <98.9a1563.2d2885b8@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 15:53:12 EST Subject: Re: sustainer system To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i03KrRk28698 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Luis, Hi there! Since Chilly Bill brought my name into this discussion I figured that I ought to pipe up with some sort of comment or another. Here goes. I have used a Sustainiac sustainer system for nearly 20 years now. BUT it's not one of the in-the-guitar "Stealth" systems. I'm one of those folks who is kinda picky about my tone (believe it or not) and I'm rather fond of the Seymour Duncan "JB" (bridge) and "Jazz" (neck) pickups in my Gibson. So, I still opt for the "acoustical" kind of sustain unit that involves a foot-pedal floor-box and a headstock mounted transducer. This is the old Sustainiac "Model B" unit. I swear by it. I use it all of the time . . . and one of the real beauties is that you can use it on more than just one instrument. I have tried the old Floyd Rose sustainers, the Fernandez sustainers, and the Maniac Music "Stealth" systems and I have never liked them all that much (sorry Alan). They don't make the "Model B" any more but the new "Model C" is the new and improved equivalent. I am planing to buy one of those at NAMM in a couple of weeks just so I have the backup system I've always wanted. They'll be at booth# 5598. If you have a way of getting to the NAMM show in Anaheim stop by and say hello to Alan Hoover and get a demo of both of his "Stealth" and acoustic "Model B" systems for comparison. I have no "endorsement deal" with Alan (I wish I did, heheh). But I have used his invention for a long time and have come to consider it an essential part of what I do with a guitar. His stuff is dependable and his service and advice is trustworthy. What more can I say. You can find more info online at: http://www.sustainiac.com/model-b.htm Best regards, tEd � kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian In a message dated 1/3/04 11:07:06 AM, chillyb@cruzio.com writes: >Hi Luis, I'm sure both Ted K and Miko B who own these type of devices >can give you more detail, but it has been my experience that It won't >have any effect on the sound of your guitar, with the exception that >many of these systems require you to replace a neck pickup with the >sustainer pickup. If you love that throaty sound of a strat neck pickup >you might have to forgoe that sound for the sustainer. If I'm not >mistaken, I think some of sustainers also respond like conventional >pickups, but I know most people are pretty picky about sound and >may not like the sound of the sustainer as pickup. I also know that >with a little routing you could put your pickup and the sustainer pickup >side by side in the neck cavity, thereby having your cake, and eating >it too. http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 3 16:12:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i03L9Ow02399; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 16:09:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 16:09:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20040103130155.04abbb48@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 13:09:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Loop III and MIDI? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:51 AM 1/3/2004, Glenn Poorman wrote: >I'm finding that a little hard to believe. I haven't used >a Ground Control but, while shopping for a MIDI controller, >I went through the manuals for just about everything including >the latest Ground Control Pro. It looks to me like you can >get any foot controller to work with the EDP as long as you >can figure out how to program it (and as long as the unit >will let you program it). No. The Ground Control pedal is quite limited actually. The "pro" version isn't much better. They only implement a few midi functions, and it is not enough to control the echoplex. The vast majority of midi pedals out there suck in this fashion. You need a full featured midi pedal, as has been discussed before. These are less common. >The only unit I saw where this >wouldn't be possible was the Boss FC-50. I use an All Access >and a Roland FC-200 and both work with the EDP quite nicely. the AllAccess is a very good pedal. The FC-200 is also ok and implements all midi functions, though it has it's share or limitations. Both can be used with the Echoplex. Other pedals are the Behringer FCB1010, Digitech PMC-10, Lake-Butler Midigator, and Yamaha MFC-10. Pros and cons of each have been discussed at length in the past. >As far as the original question goes ... there is a TON more >MIDI support in Loop IV than there was in Loop III. that is correct! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 3 16:25:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i03LKgn04652; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 16:20:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 16:20:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: MIDI Pedal Limitations (was: Loop III and MIDI) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 13:20:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040103130155.04abbb48@loopers-delight.com> Thread-Index: AcPSPeOcvYJQqQtaSKisjh6uC1wGOAAALJkw Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I want to chime in again that the Peavey PC1600x turns any "dumb" MIDI pedal into a "smart" one--you can control your EDP big time with this fader equipped button box and send any preset from a box like the MIDI Mouse to do anything (OK, most things) you desire . . . And there's one on eBay now, only $339 with buy it now! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 3 16:32:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i03LQNa05551; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 16:26:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 16:26:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20040103132121.04db4148@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 13:26:30 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Ground control and EDP In-Reply-To: <20040103205140.88893.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040103205140.88893.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:51 PM 1/3/2004, L. Angulo wrote: >Sure you can use the GC to send simple program changes >and CCs, but the EDP requires (as far as i know) a >controller that will send Note ons even to program the >basic functions for many functions you can choose notes or cc. However, for cc you mostly need the button to be able to send one cc value when you press it and another cc value when you release. I don't think the ground control can do this. For triggering loops you need note messages, which the ground control cannot send for some inexplicable reason. >The fcb 1010 works great with the EDP plus you have 2 >exp pedals,all of this for a lot less money! that is true. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 3 16:38:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i03LZev06990; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 16:35:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 16:35:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005c01c3d241$8a788fd0$0601a8c0@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: References: <200401031728.i03HSKV08725@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re_ what a great tip, Rick........prepal rocks Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 13:35:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per wrote: "Hey - what is this? Talking to yerself, Rick? ;-D" No, I was thanking Rick Williams for his tip about that cool site put up by Analog X How is very dark Stockholm, by the way. Chris and I were laughing about going out for pizza late at night while the sun was still shining last summer with you guys and it suddenly occured to me that there probably is not much light right now. Happy New Years to you and the boys!!!! love, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 3 17:25:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i03MIYf17307; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 17:18:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 17:18:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c3d247$2233b1b0$79bdfea9@C030192> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D8yvind_Ruud?= To: References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040103130155.04abbb48@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Loop III and MIDI? Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 23:15:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for your advices, this sure is a looper's delight! I guess I'll dig into the Behringer/ Loop IV combo Aasmund Ruud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 10:09 PM Subject: RE: Loop III and MIDI? > At 10:51 AM 1/3/2004, Glenn Poorman wrote: > >I'm finding that a little hard to believe. I haven't used > >a Ground Control but, while shopping for a MIDI controller, > >I went through the manuals for just about everything including > >the latest Ground Control Pro. It looks to me like you can > >get any foot controller to work with the EDP as long as you > >can figure out how to program it (and as long as the unit > >will let you program it). > > No. The Ground Control pedal is quite limited actually. The "pro" version > isn't much better. They only implement a few midi functions, and it is not > enough to control the echoplex. The vast majority of midi pedals out there > suck in this fashion. You need a full featured midi pedal, as has been > discussed before. These are less common. > > >The only unit I saw where this > >wouldn't be possible was the Boss FC-50. I use an All Access > >and a Roland FC-200 and both work with the EDP quite nicely. > > the AllAccess is a very good pedal. The FC-200 is also ok and implements > all midi functions, though it has it's share or limitations. Both can be > used with the Echoplex. Other pedals are the Behringer FCB1010, Digitech > PMC-10, Lake-Butler Midigator, and Yamaha MFC-10. Pros and cons of each > have been discussed at length in the past. > > >As far as the original question goes ... there is a TON more > >MIDI support in Loop IV than there was in Loop III. > > that is correct! > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 3 17:31:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i03MUti19945; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 17:30:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 17:30:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20040103154714.056cc9d0@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 16:27:25 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: MIDI Pedal Limitations (was: Loop III and MIDI) In-Reply-To: References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040103130155.04abbb48@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:20 PM 1/3/2004, Relay wrote: >I want to chime in again that the Peavey PC1600x turns any "dumb" MIDI pedal >into a "smart" one--you can control your EDP big time with this fader >equipped button box and send any preset from a box like the MIDI Mouse to do >anything (OK, most things) you desire . . . And there's one on eBay now, >only $339 with buy it now! I'll certainly second that(!!!). And if you're patient, you can find the PC1600x for a lot less than $339 even. After taking the advice of others here on the list (thanks to Duncan, Gary, et al) I picked up one on Ebay a few weeks ago for around half that -- ~$160. There's been quite a bit of talk about the FCB1010, and I liked that one a lot, but my problems with it were twofold. My first issue is that I'm tweaking about a half-dozen different modules and needed a single controller that could be reconfigured to switch between separate devices from section-to-section or song-to-song. In this respect, the FCB, as well as many of the other available controllers, are pretty much hardwired to the same MIDI channel without manually re-editing a preset -- not very conducive to tweaking on the fly. If you're dedicating a single foot controller to a single device, you very well may not be subject to this consideration, though. My second problem with the FCB1010 was merely in its size. I wanted a controller that could easily be stuffed into a backpack or the back of a small rack, and the FCB is just too darn long. So far, the optimum solution has been to use the PC1600x with an generic Digitech MC7 pedal (small, cheap, only transmits MIDI program changes) and a couple of simple expression pedals. I can use the MC7 to trigger any of the 16 configurable buttons on the PC1600x, and change the function of the entire footpedal merely by switching patches. The expression pedals can be similarly reprogrammed. Both PC1600x and MC7 are each only about 14-15 inches long, so it's easy to toss them in a bag and go. I probably could get similar results from a Digitech PMC-10, but those are OOP, they're getting somewhat scarce, and I couldn't find one when I had the cash. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 4 02:52:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i047oI904125; Sun, 4 Jan 2004 02:50:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 02:50:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 08:50:05 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sustainer system X-Mailer: Virtual Access Open Source http://www.virtual-access.org/ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <98.9a1563.2d2885b8@aol.com> References: <98.9a1563.2d2885b8@aol.com> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ted, > His stuff is dependable and > his service and advice is trustworthy. What more can I say. I've mailed to info@sustainiac.com a couple of times with a question about the Model C (does the power supply work in Europe? The website only mentions 120V) but I have never received a reply ... -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 4 05:21:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i04AL0R14419; Sun, 4 Jan 2004 05:21:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 05:21:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 11:20:53 +0100 Subject: Re: sustainer system From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-01-04 08.50, "Ian Petersen" wrote: > Ted, > >> His stuff is dependable and >> his service and advice is trustworthy. What more can I say. > > I've mailed to info@sustainiac.com a couple of times with a question > about the Model C (does the power supply work in Europe? The website > only mentions 120V) but I have never received a reply ... I'd like to know about this as well. We're a couple of Swedish guitar players interested in the Sustaniac Model C. -- Best wishes Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 4 11:52:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i04GpVR29245; Sun, 4 Jan 2004 11:51:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 11:51:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <8e.a255f6.2d299e8d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 11:51:25 EST Subject: Re: sustainer system To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i04GpVk29223 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ian, In a message dated 1/3/04 11:52:21 PM, iep@mail.dk writes: >I've mailed to info@sustainiac.com a couple of times with a question >about the Model C (does the power supply work in Europe? The website >only mentions 120V) but I have never received a reply ... I communicate with him from time to time. I'll see what I can do. Best regards, tEd � kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 4 13:50:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i04Io4e27550; Sun, 4 Jan 2004 13:50:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 13:50:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 19:50:02 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sustainer system X-Mailer: Virtual Access Open Source http://www.virtual-access.org/ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <8e.a255f6.2d299e8d@aol.com> References: <8e.a255f6.2d299e8d@aol.com> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: <1dJQdB.A.XuG.cBG-_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ted, > I'll see what I can do. Thanks. It would be shame if he missed a sale just because of an email glitch. -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 5 05:29:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i05AOTW10348; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 05:24:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 05:24:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List $E-mail$" Subject: addicted to looping Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 11:27:37 +0100 Message-ID: <000301c3d376$8b44cf10$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: <0dKD-.A.khC.dtT-_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just a short note: Had a session with my "Eclectic Blah" outfit yesterday, where I forgot to bring my DL4 (which I usually carry along). I didn't think I would miss it very much - but while playing, I found I instinctively wanted to create loops all the time. It has become an addiction for me... Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de Clean Trippin' - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 5 09:10:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i05E8XJ08052; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 09:08:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 09:08:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Another EDP functionality question Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 09:08:30 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Another EDP functionality question Thread-Index: AcPTlWVWAebAV7tIQfSAzeF5RtwhLQ== From: "Glenn Poorman" To: "Loopers Delight" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2004 14:08:30.0497 (UTC) FILETIME=[659E5910:01C3D395] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i05E8Wk08026 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Since we've been on a roll ... Is there a way to quantize the overdub function? I have a button on my foot pedal programmed to always to a SUSoverdub and I keep thinking it would be cool if there were a way to quantize this in order to do the Lafosse style quantized glitches but add the glitching to an existing loop as opposed to replacing or substituting into the loop. Glenn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 5 10:33:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i05FSPT19081; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 10:28:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 10:28:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Howie Day Live Looping on Late Night TV? Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 10:28:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3D3A0.8DC79040" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3D3A0.8DC79040 Content-Type: text/plain Not sure if it is the whole band or just him, but Howie Day is appearing on a number of Late Night TV Shows this week: January 6th 2004 - Late Show with Dave Letterman January 7th 2004 - Last Call with Carson Daly You can request tickets from www.1iota.com/1iotaproductions/event.asp?eid=685. January 9th 2004 - Late Night with Conan O'Brien (Re-run) Enjoy! Don M ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3D3A0.8DC79040 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howie Day Live Looping on Late Night TV?

Not sure if it is the whole band or just him, but = Howie Day is appearing on a number of Late Night TV Shows this = week:

January 6th 2004 - Late Show with Dave = Letterman

January 7th 2004 - Last Call with Carson Daly
You can request tickets from = www.1iota.com/1iotaproductions/event.asp?eid=3D685.

January 9th 2004 - Late Night with Conan O'Brien = (Re-run)

Enjoy!

Don M

------_=_NextPart_001_01C3D3A0.8DC79040-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 5 11:02:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i05FviF22729; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 10:57:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 10:57:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.50.182.218] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Oh GOD another MIDI newbie!! Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 12:26:04 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2004 15:09:48.0467 (UTC) FILETIME=[F5DC0830:01C3D39D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know, I know....... Some of you guys must be spitting bullets as each of us one by one fall into buying a midi board, BEFORE we do all the research, but hey, its christmas, please, humor me someone!!! Ok here goes. I got my shiney new FCB1010 for christmas, and I have worked out the basics of how to program it to Record and Overdub, Im having a few hitches with getting the right numbers for insert, undo and multiply, but this dosnt really worry me,Im sure I can work that out by trail and error. The problem is, I bought this board in the hope of doing more then I could already do with my regular 'plex controller. what I want is the following. (oh by the way Im running Loop3 V.5 Is it possible to have one "page" or whatever they call it of "presets" that are as follows: 1.Record (Rounded and Quantised) 2.Overdub (Latch Type) 3.Multiply (Rounded Quantised) 4. Replace (sustained glitch type) 5. Reverse (quantised) 6.Mute (instant non Quantised) 7. Undo 8.Insert (Quantised) 9. Loop1 (Quant Switched) 0(10), Loop2 (Quant Switched) then in the next Page have: 1.Record (Un-Rounded and Un-Quantised) 2.Overdub (Latch Type) 3.Multiply (Un-Rounded Un-Quantised) 4. Replace (sustained glitch type) 5. Reverse (Un-quantised) 6.Mute (instant non Quantised) 7. Undo 8.Insert (Un-Quantised) 9. Loop1 (Un-Quant Switched) 0(10), Loop2 (Un-Quant Switched) Then on page 3 Have the same as the above but with Record AND overdub set to sustain. Plus on all these pages I would like to have Pedal Controller 1control Feedback and 2 control loop volume. this is my dream setup, can it be done: 1:at all 2:with this Midi board 3:with this midiboard but with an upgrade to Loop IV I only need this once and feel that if anyone could take the time to fully explain this and possible post it under something really obvious like EDP , MIDI or whatever, it would be really useful both for my and the other newer loopers who have found it hard to scratch individual snippets of infomation from a mixture of what has been written here, in the manual and in the tutorials. Thanks so much for all your help(s) so far. Hope you all had a great christmas and are looking forward to a fantastic 2004 Phill Wilson _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 5 11:09:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i05G70225174; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 11:07:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 11:07:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040105160654.7944.qmail@web21325.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 08:06:54 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Is there a timing quantizer available? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005801c3c9ca$2b4959b0$0200a8c0@amd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > I'm sure Antares is working on an "Auto-Time" as we speak. But, for now > you're responsible for your own salvation as far as time goes. It's not real time, but I'm told the new version of Sonor has the ability to "quantize" audio tracks. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 5 11:40:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i05GYHJ28470; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 11:34:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 11:34:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-22.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1073320402!6437637 X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.15; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533E19@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: sustainer system Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 16:26:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3D3A8.A1D20D10" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3D3A8.A1D20D10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I've mailed to info@sustainiac.com a couple of times with a question about the Model C (does the power supply work in Europe? The website only mentions 120V) but I have never received a reply ...<< if it's any help, I've seen a sustainiac being used on a guitar in london, uk. myself, I prefer the old-fashioned technique of standing closer to the amp... :-) d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>I've mailed to info@sustainiac.com a couple of times with a question
about the Model C (does the power supply work in Europe? The website
only mentions 120V) but I have never received a reply ...<<

if it's any help, I've seen a sustainiac being used on a guitar in london, uk.
myself, I prefer the old-fashioned technique of standing closer to the amp... :-)





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------_=_NextPart_001_01C3D3A8.A1D20D10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 5 12:50:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i05HlC205918; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:47:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:47:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" , "CT-Collective" Subject: hello Jeff Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 18:51:17 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-Seen: false X-ID: rPJ43oZSYe-ZPOCjyTfz3z7KZziu2fhzLhWiIdLtbclcAxSLjJ6lc7@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jeff McLeod, are you there? I tried to write you an email but the "soundandchaos" mailserver seems to be dead, or down. Please mail me offlist. = michael peters = www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 5 13:14:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i05IA5709895; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 13:10:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 13:10:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 19:10:02 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sustainer system X-Mailer: Virtual Access Open Source http://www.virtual-access.org/ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533E19@LON-MAIL07> References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533E19@LON-MAIL07> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Duncan, > I prefer the old-fashioned technique of standing closer to the amp Well, so do I, but I don't think my neighbours do! -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 5 13:21:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i05IICJ10648; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 13:18:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 13:18:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: sustainer system Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 13:18:11 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c3d3b8$471c3520$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Besides which it's no good for your ears ;D -----Original Message----- From: Ian Petersen [mailto:iep@mail.dk] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 1:10 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sustainer system Duncan, > I prefer the old-fashioned technique of standing closer to the amp Well, so do I, but I don't think my neighbours do! -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 5 15:19:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i05KCQ328433; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:12:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:12:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1610.172.160.232.103.1073333546.squirrel@172.160.232.103> In-Reply-To: <000401c3d3b8$471c3520$0200a8c0@akadev.com> References: <000401c3d3b8$471c3520$0200a8c0@akadev.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 14:12:26 -0600 (CST) Subject: RE: sustainer system From: "Justin Fobes" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail X-Mailer: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <5XID8.A.I8G.qUc-_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hendrix died at 27, if you're planning for this, the ears won't matter at 29! -Justin http://www.JustinFobesMusic.com Alan Kroeger wrote: > Besides which it's no good for your ears ;D > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ian Petersen [mailto:iep@mail.dk] > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 1:10 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: sustainer system > > > Duncan, > >> I prefer the old-fashioned technique of standing closer to the amp > > Well, so do I, but I don't think my neighbours do! > > -- > > Ian Petersen > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 5 15:30:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i05KOIb30142; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:24:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:24:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FF9C68E.6080406@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 12:18:22 -0800 From: Daryl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FW: Hardware hack - replacing a pot with a switch? References: <001b01c3caa5$37658300$0200a8c0@akadev.com> In-Reply-To: <001b01c3caa5$37658300$0200a8c0@akadev.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2fjSmB.A.2WH.yfc-_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm just getting back into my routine from the holiday craziness and read the great helpful hints on my quest. Thanks a lot everyone, I'm quite inspired to try out a few different things. Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 5 15:32:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i05KPEf30300; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:25:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:25:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: sustainer system Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:25:11 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c3d3ca$05452d20$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <1610.172.160.232.103.1073333546.squirrel@172.160.232.103> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Too late I'm way past that point but, please do speak up! ;D -----Original Message----- From: Justin Fobes [mailto:JustinFobes@JustinFobesMusic.com] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 3:12 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: sustainer system Hendrix died at 27, if you're planning for this, the ears won't matter at 29! -Justin http://www.JustinFobesMusic.com Alan Kroeger wrote: > Besides which it's no good for your ears ;D > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ian Petersen [mailto:iep@mail.dk] > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 1:10 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: sustainer system > > > Duncan, > >> I prefer the old-fashioned technique of standing closer to the amp > > Well, so do I, but I don't think my neighbours do! > > -- > > Ian Petersen > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 5 15:35:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i05KXQm31684; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:33:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:33:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [213.249.215.171] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: My Post,Found...and Loop4 Q Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 20:33:20 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2004 20:33:20.0381 (UTC) FILETIME=[28430AD0:01C3D3CB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, well........ Looks like after a week of floating around in cyberspace doing god knows what, my first post has finally turned up........too late as usual!! in the mean time, thanks to kim,Im sure I can work out a way to use my MidiBoard for my own liking. Does anyone know if you can buy Loop4 in the UK? Thanks Phill _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 5 15:37:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i05KWCe31486; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:32:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:32:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FF9C865.8060008@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 12:26:13 -0800 From: Daryl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sustainer system References: <001b01c3caa5$37658300$0200a8c0@akadev.com> In-Reply-To: <001b01c3caa5$37658300$0200a8c0@akadev.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've had a lot of fun with my own 'sustainer'...it's a tiny, cheap plastic amp that vibrates quite a bit when cranked up to its full miniscule output. I face it towards me, or even point it into a pillow (it's not the pickup/speaker interface I'm after), and set my headstock firmly against it when holding a note. Even when playing clean, I can generate some fantastic infinite sustain that lasts as long as I hold the guitar against it. It works best with low notes, and resonates quite well with certain notes and not so well with others. Adding some distortion beforehand (even just in the line that goes out to the little amp) results in more overtones and responsiveness. I've never tried it with a Smokie or one of the other tiny practice amps, but I'll bet it works well with them too. Obviously it works with a full-size amp or cabinet as well, but it's a bit more inconvenient (and frightening) to get within touching distance. Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 5 15:49:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i05KjMH00949; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:45:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:45:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 21:45:10 +0100 Subject: Re: sustainer system From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3FF9C865.8060008@mhorse.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-01-05 21.26, "Daryl" wrote: > I've had a lot of fun with my own 'sustainer'...it's a tiny, cheap > plastic amp that vibrates quite a bit when cranked up to its full > miniscule output....... He, he... Custom made "sustainers" are fun! I use to gaffa tape a minimal Marshall practise amp, the size of two cig packs, to the body of my guitar. Its tiny voice is just enough to set the wood into vibration. If you have a flash plug-in there is an excerpt of that sound at http://www.boysen.se/kitchenensemble/tellus.html All the best per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 5 16:04:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i05Kt1L02172; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:55:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:55:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FF9CDC1.2050006@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 12:49:05 -0800 From: Daryl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sustainer system References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Awesome! Daryl highhorse@mhorse.com >He, he... Custom made "sustainers" are fun! I use to gaffa tape a minimal >Marshall practise amp, the size of two cig packs, to the body of my guitar. >Its tiny voice is just enough to set the wood into vibration. If you have a >flash plug-in there is an excerpt of that sound at >http://www.boysen.se/kitchenensemble/tellus.html > >All the best > >per > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 5 16:23:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i05LJfD07228; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 16:19:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 16:19:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: sustainer system Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 16:19:39 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c3d3d1$a0a5ec80$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <3FF9CDC1.2050006@mhorse.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <7XJYRC.A.0wB.tTd-_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here are some links to other interesting things including a sustainer design Main Link http://www.marksmart.net/ Sustainer/Feedbacker http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/feedbackgen/feedbackgen.html Other Fun Music Stuff http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/gearhack.html -----Original Message----- From: Daryl [mailto:highhorse@mhorse.com] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 3:49 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sustainer system Awesome! Daryl highhorse@mhorse.com >He, he... Custom made "sustainers" are fun! I use to gaffa tape a >minimal Marshall practise amp, the size of two cig packs, to the body >of my guitar. Its tiny voice is just enough to set the wood into >vibration. If you have a flash plug-in there is an excerpt of that >sound at http://www.boysen.se/kitchenensemble/tellus.html > >All the best > >per > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 5 18:07:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i05N4ul24344; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 18:04:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 18:04:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.163.129.139] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] X-Sender: nic_roozeboom@msn.com From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sustainer system Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 15:04:50 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2004 23:04:50.0479 (UTC) FILETIME=[5261EBF0:01C3D3E0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Smokie works fairly well, with certain limitations - the frequency selectivity being the main one I think. With the one guitar I tried it with, it would 'respond' perhaps on 30-40% of the scale, centered around certain favored keys and their octaves / integer multiples. Pre-distorting is a good idea, think I'll try that. Playing touch style seems to work best so that you can use the pick hand to position the Smokie at the most susceptible position over the string (or behind the string, as contact to the back of the neck gives the most gain/feedback). All of this is just looping with the repetition frequency inside the audible spectrum of course ;-) Nic >From: Daryl >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: sustainer system >Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 12:26:13 -0800 > > >I've had a lot of fun with my own 'sustainer'...it's a tiny, cheap plastic >amp that vibrates quite a bit when cranked up to its full miniscule output. > I face it towards me, or even point it into a pillow (it's not the >pickup/speaker interface I'm after), and set my headstock firmly against it >when holding a note. Even when playing clean, I can generate some >fantastic infinite sustain that lasts as long as I hold the guitar against >it. It works best with low notes, and resonates quite well with certain >notes and not so well with others. Adding some distortion beforehand (even >just in the line that goes out to the little amp) results in more overtones >and responsiveness. > >I've never tried it with a Smokie or one of the other tiny practice amps, >but I'll bet it works well with them too. Obviously it works with a >full-size amp or cabinet as well, but it's a bit more inconvenient (and >frightening) to get within touching distance. > >Daryl Shawn >highhorse@mhorse.com > _________________________________________________________________ Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 5 19:32:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i060U7403187; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 19:30:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 19:30:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00dc01c3d3fd$37ef92a0$0200a8c0@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <20040105160654.7944.qmail@web21325.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Is there a timing quantizer available? Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 19:31:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <6vafHB.A.tx.PGg-_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > It's not real time, but I'm told the new version of Sonor has the ability to > "quantize" audio tracks. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg House" To: Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 9:06 AM Subject: Re: Is there a timing quantizer available? > --- Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > > > I'm sure Antares is working on an "Auto-Time" as we speak. But, for now > > you're responsible for your own salvation as far as time goes. > > It's not real time, but I'm told the new version of Sonor has the ability to > "quantize" audio tracks. > > Greg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 5 20:10:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0611G608134; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 20:01:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 20:01:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FFA078C.9F5309D8@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 16:55:39 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Another EDP functionality question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Glenn, Glenn Poorman wrote: > Is there a way to quantize the overdub function? Yep: 1) Use either Stutter or Replace mode (under the Loop/Delay parameter) 2) Plug a pedal into the Feedback jack Because the pedal controls feedback in these cases, the front panel knob becomes a feedback control just for the Substitute function. If you turn the feedback knob all the way to the left, it'll behave as normal (feedback=0 when using Substitute.) If the knob is hard right, Substitute basically becomes Overdub, because feedback=100. So in this way, Substitute becomes an Overdub function, and will respond to Quantization just as it normally would. You can set the Substitute feedback value anywhere between these two extremes, and you'll see your feedback value displayed on the front panel when you're executing it. > I keep thinking it would be cool if > there were a way to quantize this in order to do the > Lafosse style quantized glitches We should probably call this "Andy Butler style" instead, since he came up with the idea first (and since I hardly ever use quantized glitches anymore...) Hear him in action: http://www.andybutler.com Good luck, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 5 21:59:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i062vpf22562; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 21:57:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 21:57:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: sustainer system Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 21:57:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C3D3D6.F87ED6B0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcPTqq5hkDxLYCPDTIyc7hl5ii85pwAVetBQ In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533E19@LON-MAIL07> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out009.verizon.net from [4.4.57.207] at Mon, 5 Jan 2004 20:57:46 -0600 Message-Id: <20040106025748.KVHS29632.out009.verizon.net@home> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C3D3D6.F87ED6B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The new Trey Gunn DVD shows him using a Shure Bullet harmonica mike held up to the back of the neck of the Warr guitar. Seems to work pretty well, but I have no idea of where the mike is plugged in. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com >>I've mailed to info@sustainiac.com a couple of times with a question about the Model C (does the power supply work in Europe? The website only mentions 120V) but I have never received a reply ...<< if it's any help, ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C3D3D6.F87ED6B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: sustainer system

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------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C3D3D6.F87ED6B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 6 08:08:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i06D5RA03087; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 08:05:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 08:05:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-BrightmailFiltered: true Message-ID: <3FFAAD0D.3090801@unguitar.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 13:41:49 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Edp Midi sync=out > making a Fireworx crazy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi dear friends, it seems that this is the time I am subscribing back to beloved LD. I hope this is going to be a good sign for this new year, as more time available for myself is one of my targets. So, the reason why I'm sending this post is the following (I'm pasting the question as it has been sent to Tc electronic) : __________________________________________________________________________________________ This is the midi flow of my rack: Midi footcontroller with 6 pedals (continous sontrollers) into Doepfer Master Fader > Eventide Orville > Oberheim Echoplex > Fireworx. Foot controller on midi channel 1 Doepfer on midi chan 0 Orville on midi chan 2 and 3 Echoplex on midi chan 4 Fireworx on midi chan 5 the midi controls the Fireworx is receiving are the following: Volume out: contr. 27 ext. 1: on contr. 20 ext. 2: on contr. 21 ext. 3: on contr. 22 External Tempo Sync coming from Echoplex (chan.4): on note on/off After some use the Fireworx freezes (nothing is responding to any kind of order: nor from midi, nor from the panel) only workaround (???) is to switch it off and reboot (using the backpanel switch). ___________________________________________________________________ Now, after a few hours of clean and smooth running of the Fireworx WITHOUT the Edp midi linked to it and controlling its tempo, I am suspecting the reason of its problem comes from Edp's Midi Sync. The Edp (Loop IV ver.1.1) sends out a midi sync (Sync=Out) which works perfectly and is well received from the Fireworx, it just seems that it is causing it to be overwhelmed by it after some use. I am sure I'll find the answer submitting this question to the Mighty LD Oracle. Masters ? have a great 2004. my best, Luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 6 10:37:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i06FXaB24133; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 10:33:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 10:33:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-BrightmailFiltered: true Message-ID: <3FFACFCF.9080601@unguitar.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 16:10:07 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: a call for loopers in europe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi guys, I have been organizing small, mostly solo gigs in a small wine bar located on the southern Garda Lake, in Italy, 30 Km from Verona and 120 from Milan. Since June 2003 we have been doing one gig a month. Some of the talented people from this list have already done a gig there; they are Steve Lawson, Rick Walker, Claude Voit and Rainer Straschill. I would like to continue to host people from LD there so, if anyone is interested, please write me a mail on luca@unguitar.com, I'll provide you with a data sheet with all the infos/fees/time schedules. I'll be asking to people who I don't know personally to send me some music but, please, before sending me audio files via mail, let's see if they are too big for my small account in the middle of the country where fast connections are not available (since cows and pigs don't use them). My best, Luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 6 14:24:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i06JACJ22581; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 14:10:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 14:10:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040106191008.12375.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 11:10:08 -0800 (PST) From: dylan Reply-To: dylanhassinger@yahoo.com Subject: MIDI pattern sequencer? To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello all, i'm finally getting my setup up and running. but i'm finding that i need a device that will throw out a riff in MIDI, over and over again. one option would be a pattern sequencer, in which case I'd need to program in the MIDI pattern, but it could be saved. another option would be a MIDI looper, for real time MIDI looping. but as has been said before, there aren't many MIDI loopers out there, except perhaps the EMU command stations. i'm trying to do acid-style loops (acid the genre, not acid the program =), where i can throw a repeating riff into a midi synth and then tweak the cutoff over time, etc... the ability to do this live, spontaneously, at a gig would be great. I have an opportunity to get an electribe EM1 for about $170. i also have the opportunity to score an XL-7 command station for about $260. (I do have other EMU chips, so this is tempting.) is the EM1 easy to program riffs into? as easy as, say, an old TB303?? is the XL-7 easy to program a riff into? what about throwing a riff in live and having it loop around? are these devices easy to route to external MIDI devices? (i've got other synths i want to sequence with them.) should i buy one of these devices, or look for something else? i've asked similar questions before, so please forgive my repetition. as always, THANK YOU!!!!!! - dylan from st louis __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 6 14:54:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i06Jobg29021; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 14:50:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 14:50:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 14:51:33 -0500 From: Greg Waltzer Subject: Re: MIDI pattern sequencer? In-reply-to: <20040106191008.12375.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3FFB11C5.9050804@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.3.1) Gecko/20030425 References: <20040106191008.12375.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can't beat the XL-7 for $260. It has much more synth and sequencing power than the EM1. Very easy to program a riff, which loops automatically (same goes for EM1). While the loop is playing, you can punch in and out of record to add more parts. It has 2 midi outs, so you can control up to 32 channels on external devices. dylan wrote: >hello all, > >i'm finally getting my setup up and running. but i'm >finding that i need a device that will throw out a riff in >MIDI, over and over again. one option would be a pattern >sequencer, in which case I'd need to program in the MIDI >pattern, but it could be saved. another option would be a >MIDI looper, for real time MIDI looping. but as has been >said before, there aren't many MIDI loopers out there, >except perhaps the EMU command stations. i'm trying to do >acid-style loops (acid the genre, not acid the program =), >where i can throw a repeating riff into a midi synth and >then tweak the cutoff over time, etc... the ability to do >this live, spontaneously, at a gig would be great. > >I have an opportunity to get an electribe EM1 for about >$170. i also have the opportunity to score an XL-7 command >station for about $260. (I do have other EMU chips, so this >is tempting.) > >is the EM1 easy to program riffs into? as easy as, say, an >old TB303?? > >is the XL-7 easy to program a riff into? what about >throwing a riff in live and having it loop around? > >are these devices easy to route to external MIDI devices? >(i've got other synths i want to sequence with them.) >should i buy one of these devices, or look for something >else? > >i've asked similar questions before, so please forgive my >repetition. > >as always, THANK YOU!!!!!! > >- dylan from st louis > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 6 14:55:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i06JmNJ28470; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 14:48:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 14:48:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emile@foryourhead.com@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20040106191008.12375.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040106191008.12375.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 14:47:58 -0500 To: dylanhassinger@yahoo.com, loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: MIDI pattern sequencer? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'm also looking for something like this for my video mixing rig. Must haves are 1. Ability to handle controllers , as that's all my mixer responds to. 2. Some kind of real time triggering, or at least ability to toggle tracks on and off Highly desirable 3. Small size. 4. Namable presets . At 11:10 AM -0800 1/6/04, dylan wrote: >hello all, > >i'm finally getting my setup up and running. but i'm >finding that i need a device that will throw out a riff in >MIDI, over and over again. one option would be a pattern >sequencer, in which case I'd need to program in the MIDI >pattern, but it could be saved. another option would be a >MIDI looper, for real time MIDI looping. but as has been >said before, there aren't many MIDI loopers out there, >except perhaps the EMU command stations. i'm trying to do >acid-style loops (acid the genre, not acid the program =), >where i can throw a repeating riff into a midi synth and >then tweak the cutoff over time, etc... the ability to do >this live, spontaneously, at a gig would be great. > >I have an opportunity to get an electribe EM1 for about >$170. i also have the opportunity to score an XL-7 command >station for about $260. (I do have other EMU chips, so this >is tempting.) > >is the EM1 easy to program riffs into? as easy as, say, an >old TB303?? > >is the XL-7 easy to program a riff into? what about >throwing a riff in live and having it loop around? > >are these devices easy to route to external MIDI devices? >(i've got other synths i want to sequence with them.) >should i buy one of these devices, or look for something >else? > >i've asked similar questions before, so please forgive my >repetition. > >as always, THANK YOU!!!!!! > >- dylan from st louis > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes >http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus -- Been gone so long it looks like here to me. Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 6 16:17:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i06LDHg10727; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:13:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:13:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1ec.16b9531c.2d2c7ee1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:13:05 EST Subject: NAMM Numbness Sets In Already. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i06LDEk10703 Resent-Message-ID: <2KG6vC.A.hnC.tTy-_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there all, Has a day/place/time been set for at LD meet in Anaheim? Wuz StarLabs settled upon as a place? Was a time ever mentioned? A day? It's creepin' up on us and I wanna be able to plan round seein' folks and takin' care of business. Best, tEd � kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 6 17:24:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i06MLXE23741; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:21:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:21:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012b01c3d4a3$6ced3ab0$e0154ed5@trucknutz> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Subject: Steve Lawson Masterclass - San Jose, Sat 24th Jan Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 22:21:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - osiris.24-7dns.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi loopsters, I'm making my usual annual trip to NAMM, and afterwards up to the bay area. On Sat 24th Jan I'm giving a masterclass in San Jose. It's very limited numbers, and will be a very involved hands on, 'proper' masterclass, as opposed to a shop style clinic. It's nearly full already, but if any of you are interested in coming, you can email me to confirm a place. The cost is $55.00, it's at the home of Bob Amstadt, who's on LD as well, and I'll be covering a lot of bass and looping related stuff, but will also no doubt get into some stuff about improv, composition, sound, technique, and issues that will relate to just about any musician. Please email me ASAP on steve@steve-lawson.co.uk if you want to come. I'll also be doing a few gigs around the bay area - so far confirmed are Wed 28th Jan - Henflings, Ben Lomond Thursday 29th - Constable Jacks, Newcastle Friday 30th - Espresso Garden, San Jose there are a few more details on my website - www.stevelawson.net Each of these gigs are with Michael Manring and Trip Wamsley as well - www.manthing.com www.tripwamsley.com and are therefor unmissable... :o) cheers! Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 6 17:46:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i06MbHP26257; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:37:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:37:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FFB389E.6030308@biink.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 17:37:18 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NAMM Numbness Sets In Already. References: <1ec.16b9531c.2d2c7ee1@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1ec.16b9531c.2d2c7ee1@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hell, I'm not even going this year and I can't feel a thing! -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 6 20:59:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i071u1924439; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 20:56:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 20:56:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c3d4c1$686a27f0$b6705643@elfmaster> From: "RemyC" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: amazing theory of loop quantum gravity Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 20:56:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Scientific American January 2004 issue PHYSICS Atoms of Space and Time We perceive space and time to be continuous, but if the amazing theory of loop quantum gravity is correct, they actually come in discrete pieces By Lee Smolin Little more than 100 years ago most people--and most scientists--thought of matter as continuous. Although since ancient times some philosophers and scientists had speculated that if matter were broken up into small enough bits, it might turn out to be made up of very tiny atoms, few thought the existence of atoms could ever be proved. Today we have imaged individual atoms and have studied the particles that compose them. The granularity of matter is old news. In recent decades, physicists and mathematicians have asked if space is also made of discrete pieces. Is it continuous, as we learn in school, or is it more like a piece of cloth, woven out of individual fibers? If we could probe to size scales that were small enough, would we see "atoms" of space, irreducible pieces of volume that cannot be broken into anything smaller? And what about time: Does nature change continuously, or does the world evolve in series of very tiny steps, acting more like a digital computer? ...continued at Scientific American Digital (subcription required) http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&colID=1&articleID=00012BDE-E7EA-1FD3-A7EA83414B7F012C or in the print edition on newsstands now. 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--0-211555049-1073454771=:63346-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 05:55:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07AsoR08525; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 05:54:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 05:54:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: "'Looper's Delight'" Subject: First Impressions on UD Stomp--Yamaha Delay/Mod pedal Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 02:54:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcPVDKcRlVopR1osS+i8fEDGKttTtg== Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dearly beloved fellow gearheads-- Just got my used UD tonight and spent probably 4 hours with it (am I a maniac? yes I am). It has a lot to offer, especially at current blowout prices. First off, it is a true looper--no feedback or undo, but capable of 5.6 seconds of looping, with the option to overdub (but not directly out of record). Further, the delay times and feedback in Delay Line Land can be controlled by Continuous Controllers. To top it all off, this is truly a delay/mod pedal, with some wacky sound I KNOW some of you will enjoy. The choruses and flangers are first rate, and there are actually 8 separate delay modules in this pup, so some of the multitaps are real gone as well. There are lots of knobs--something the new Yamaha Magic Stomp, going for pretty much $200 street doesn't have--wonder if it loops? Bet it does . . . All I can say is, if you've got a couple of hundred dollars to spare for a preloop delay/mod, you can't go wrong with this--eBay prices are still pretty high, but MF was blowin' 'em out (no longer--sorry), so expect the rest of the merchants to follow--keep your eyes peeled, you won't be sorry. Gary "No such thing as too many delays" Lehmann PS StarrLabs booth at NAMM, come see me--I think I'll bring this new thing too! G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 06:52:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07Bpjx20545; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 06:51:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 06:51:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040107115139.34294.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 03:51:39 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: King crimson stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ive been listening lately to the looped polyrhytmic stuff of K.C especially the discipline album and 3 of a perfect pair truly cool and amazing stuff! So a question for you K.C. freaks: id like links or info to the short 5/8 looped interlocking stuff they are doing and also what the hell is adrian using to get those ultra high pitched distorted sounds on solos like elephant talk,neurotica or neil jack and me? Is that a guitar or a synth? wow! cheers Louie __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 07:57:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07Css931354; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 07:54:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 07:54:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <20040107115139.34294.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040107115139.34294.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Caleb Deupree Subject: Re: King crimson stuff Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 07:54:52 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You should check out the KC web site, http://www.elephant-talk.com. I don't think they do much looping as we discuss it on this list -- everything is played straight. There's transcriptions, tablature and some midi files on the site. IIRC Adrian Belew played Roland's guitar synth in this band. On Jan 7, 2004, at 6:51 AM, L. Angulo wrote: > Ive been listening lately to the looped polyrhytmic > stuff of K.C especially the discipline album and 3 of > a perfect pair truly cool and amazing stuff! > So a question for you K.C. freaks: id like links or > info to the short 5/8 looped interlocking stuff they > are doing and also what the hell is adrian using to > get those ultra high pitched distorted sounds on solos > like elephant talk,neurotica or neil jack and me? Is > that a guitar or a synth? --- Caleb Deupree ctdeupree@sbcglobal.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 08:40:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07DcwQ09597; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 08:38:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 08:38:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040107133852.43320.qmail@web41014.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 05:38:52 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: King crimson stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanx Caleb Yes i am aware that they both used Roland synths and in Elephant talk is really clear the synth solo from fripp but the second solo is the one that intrigues me... Cheers Louie --- Caleb Deupree wrote: > You should check out the KC web site, > http://www.elephant-talk.com. I > don't think they do much looping as we discuss it on > this list -- > everything is played straight. There's > transcriptions, tablature and > some midi files on the site. IIRC Adrian Belew > played Roland's guitar > synth in this band. > > On Jan 7, 2004, at 6:51 AM, L. Angulo wrote: > > > Ive been listening lately to the looped > polyrhytmic > > stuff of K.C especially the discipline album and 3 > of > > a perfect pair truly cool and amazing stuff! > > So a question for you K.C. freaks: id like links > or > > info to the short 5/8 looped interlocking stuff > they > > are doing and also what the hell is adrian using > to > > get those ultra high pitched distorted sounds on > solos > > like elephant talk,neurotica or neil jack and me? > Is > > that a guitar or a synth? > --- > Caleb Deupree > ctdeupree@sbcglobal.net > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 08:49:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07DmFb11836; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 08:48:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 08:48:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: King crimson stuff Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 08:48:12 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: King crimson stuff Thread-Index: AcPVI6eTH6JuYQhzQyWCrAisMtg58gAASFBA From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2004 13:48:12.0561 (UTC) FILETIME=[E47F9010:01C3D524] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i07DmEk11806 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think that second solo is pure guitar with some good fat distortion and compression. Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:39 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: King crimson stuff > > Thanx Caleb > Yes i am aware that they both used Roland synths and > in Elephant talk is really clear the synth solo from > fripp but the second solo is the one that intrigues > me... > Cheers > Louie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 09:20:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07EII319686; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 09:18:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 09:18:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040107141812.66801.qmail@web41005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 06:18:12 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: King crimson stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hes obviously also using some sort of harmonizer to get those really high pitched notes but what intrigues me is that you cannot hear the artifacts you usually hear from such devices louie --- Glenn Poorman wrote: > I think that second solo is pure guitar with some > good > fat distortion and compression. > > Glenn > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:39 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: King crimson stuff > > > > Thanx Caleb > > Yes i am aware that they both used Roland synths > and > > in Elephant talk is really clear the synth solo > from > > fripp but the second solo is the one that > intrigues > > me... > > Cheers > > Louie > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 13:08:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07HxTR09988; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 12:59:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 12:59:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: King crimson stuff Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 09:59:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Thread-Index: AcPVKSsZnARm7QnNSCictnmaW5LltgAHj8Hg In-Reply-To: <20040107141812.66801.qmail@web41005.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No Harmonizer - He just uses the guitar to really get up there - you should try to locate the Live in Mexico official bootleg - he does a killer high pitched distorted feedback squeal solo on "Three of a Perfect Pair" - and if you can find the old video he made in the 80's you can see how he gets a lot of his sound with minimal effects although his rack at that time was the size of a fridge :) -----Original Message----- From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 6:18 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: King crimson stuff hes obviously also using some sort of harmonizer to get those really high pitched notes but what intrigues me is that you cannot hear the artifacts you usually hear from such devices louie --- Glenn Poorman wrote: > I think that second solo is pure guitar with some > good > fat distortion and compression. > > Glenn > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:39 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: King crimson stuff > > > > Thanx Caleb > > Yes i am aware that they both used Roland synths > and > > in Elephant talk is really clear the synth solo > from > > fripp but the second solo is the one that > intrigues > > me... > > Cheers > > Louie > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 14:00:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07Iw7G23073; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 13:58:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 13:58:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 18:57:48 +0000 Subject: Re: King crimson stuff Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7-705387878 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Paul Greenstein To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20040107133852.43320.qmail@web41014.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <62CA2A42-4143-11D8-8BAB-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-7-705387878 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I remember reading various guitar geek interviews with Adrian Belew around the time those albums were released. I think a big part of his technique was to use fairly extreme equalisation to encourage particular harmonics to feed back, plus *really* getting to grips with positioning himself relative to his amp(s). By the way, have a listen to 'The Great Curve' from Talking Heads 'Remain in Light' album. Great feedback solo from Belew. On Wednesday, January 7, 2004, at 01:38 pm, L. Angulo wrote: > Thanx Caleb > Yes i am aware that they both used Roland synths and > in Elephant talk is really clear the synth solo from > fripp but the second solo is the one that intrigues > me... > Cheers > Louie > --- Caleb Deupree wrote: >> You should check out the KC web site, >> http://www.elephant-talk.com. I >> don't think they do much looping as we discuss it on >> this list -- >> everything is played straight. There's >> transcriptions, tablature and >> some midi files on the site. IIRC Adrian Belew >> played Roland's guitar >> synth in this band. >> >> On Jan 7, 2004, at 6:51 AM, L. Angulo wrote: >> >>> Ive been listening lately to the looped >> polyrhytmic >>> stuff of K.C especially the discipline album and 3 >> of >>> a perfect pair truly cool and amazing stuff! >>> So a question for you K.C. freaks: id like links >> or >>> info to the short 5/8 looped interlocking stuff >> they >>> are doing and also what the hell is adrian using >> to >>> get those ultra high pitched distorted sounds on >> solos >>> like elephant talk,neurotica or neil jack and me? >> Is >>> that a guitar or a synth? >> --- >> Caleb Deupree >> ctdeupree@sbcglobal.net >> > > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > > --Apple-Mail-7-705387878 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Lucida GrandeI remember reading various guitar geek interviews with Adrian Belew around the time those albums were released. I think a big part of his technique was to use fairly extreme equalisation to encourage particular harmonics to feed back, plus *really* getting to grips with positioning himself relative to his amp(s). By the way, have a listen to 'The Great Curve' from Talking Heads 'Remain in Light' album. Great feedback solo from Belew. On Wednesday, January 7, 2004, at 01:38 pm, L. Angulo wrote: Thanx Caleb Yes i am aware that they both used Roland synths and in Elephant talk is really clear the synth solo from fripp but the second solo is the one that intrigues me... Cheers Louie --- Caleb Deupree < wrote: You should check out the KC web site, http://www.elephant-talk.com. I don't think they do much looping as we discuss it on this list -- everything is played straight. There's transcriptions, tablature and some midi files on the site. IIRC Adrian Belew played Roland's guitar synth in this band. On Jan 7, 2004, at 6:51 AM, L. Angulo wrote: Ive been listening lately to the looped polyrhytmic stuff of K.C especially the discipline album and 3 of a perfect pair truly cool and amazing stuff! So a question for you K.C. freaks: id like links or info to the short 5/8 looped interlocking stuff they are doing and also what the hell is adrian using to get those ultra high pitched distorted sounds on solos like elephant talk,neurotica or neil jack and me? Is that a guitar or a synth? --- Caleb Deupree ctdeupree@sbcglobal.net ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus --Apple-Mail-7-705387878-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 14:15:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07JCoH28103; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 14:12:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 14:12:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FFC58A6.1030707@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 11:06:14 -0800 From: Daryl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: heavy rack support References: <20040107055251.66685.qmail@web80202.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040107055251.66685.qmail@web80202.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just bought a 16-space shockmount rack for my studio equipment. There's some fairly heavy gear I'm going to want in there, and it's going to be chock-full, so I'm concerned about all the gear hanging from the front rails. The rack has rear rails too, so I'd think I could find some supports that would connect between the two to distribute the weight. Should I be concerned? Anyone run into this and find a solution? Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 14:46:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07JeCm02949; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 14:40:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 14:40:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 11:40:08 -0800 Subject: Re: King crimson stuff From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey bein a belewaholic since the 80s maybe i know... every interview in print that i have from the days of elephant talk adrian talks about his 'foxx tone machine' for those upper octavee thingees-it works like the roger mayer 'octavia'-fuzz plus octave. and its red and fuzzy :-) s > No Harmonizer - He just uses the guitar to really get up there - you should > try to locate the Live in Mexico official bootleg - he does a killer high > pitched distorted feedback squeal solo on "Three of a Perfect Pair" - and if > you can find the old video he made in the 80's you can see how he gets a lot > of his sound with minimal effects although his rack at that time was the > size of a fridge :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 6:18 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: King crimson stuff > > hes obviously also using some sort of harmonizer to > get those really high pitched notes but what intrigues > me is that you cannot hear the artifacts you usually > hear from such devices > louie > --- Glenn Poorman wrote: >> I think that second solo is pure guitar with some >> good >> fat distortion and compression. >> >> Glenn >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:39 AM >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Subject: Re: King crimson stuff >>> >>> Thanx Caleb >>> Yes i am aware that they both used Roland synths >> and >>> in Elephant talk is really clear the synth solo >> from >>> fripp but the second solo is the one that >> intrigues >>> me... >>> Cheers >>> Louie >> > > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 15:15:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07KBU109522; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 15:11:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 15:11:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: King crimson stuff Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 15:11:28 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c3d55a$6f51ca70$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i07KBUk09495 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Red? Hmm!, the one I had in the 70's was blue (maybe there was another version or it was customized) but, I did love that thing (it still had a slightly ugly fuzz sound) the octave thing was cool (wish I still had it $$$). Do you think that was what he was using to get those sounds on Lone Rhino and/or Twang Bar King? I ain't much for persuing those trivia details ;D Heres a pic the same as the one I had http://www.tonefrenzy.com/2/images/gear/fox_tonemachine1%20copy.JPG I might have to think about duplicating this on one of my DSP boxes cause it is cool sounding. Some circuits that supposedly replicate it http://www.runoffgroove.com/ftm.html http://www.generalguitargadgets.com/ftm.html -----Original Message----- From: stanitarium@earthlink.net [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 2:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: King crimson stuff hey bein a belewaholic since the 80s maybe i know... every interview in print that i have from the days of elephant talk adrian talks about his 'foxx tone machine' for those upper octavee thingees-it works like the roger mayer 'octavia'-fuzz plus octave. and its red and fuzzy :-) s > No Harmonizer - He just uses the guitar to really get up there - you > should try to locate the Live in Mexico official bootleg - he does a > killer high pitched distorted feedback squeal solo on "Three of a > Perfect Pair" - and if you can find the old video he made in the 80's > you can see how he gets a lot of his sound with minimal effects > although his rack at that time was the size of a fridge :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 6:18 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: King crimson stuff > > hes obviously also using some sort of harmonizer to > get those really high pitched notes but what intrigues > me is that you cannot hear the artifacts you usually > hear from such devices > louie > --- Glenn Poorman wrote: >> I think that second solo is pure guitar with some >> good >> fat distortion and compression. >> >> Glenn >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:39 AM >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Subject: Re: King crimson stuff >>> >>> Thanx Caleb >>> Yes i am aware that they both used Roland synths >> and >>> in Elephant talk is really clear the synth solo >> from >>> fripp but the second solo is the one that >> intrigues >>> me... >>> Cheers >>> Louie >> > > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 15:22:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07KHwY10588; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 15:17:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 15:17:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20040107134618.05298d98@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 14:17:26 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: King crimson stuff In-Reply-To: <62CA2A42-4143-11D8-8BAB-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> References: <20040107133852.43320.qmail@web41014.mail.yahoo.com> <62CA2A42-4143-11D8-8BAB-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:57 PM 1/7/2004, Paul Greenstein wrote: >I remember reading various guitar geek interviews with Adrian Belew around >the time those albums were released. I think a big part of his technique >was to use fairly extreme equalisation to encourage particular harmonics >to feed back, plus *really* getting to grips with positioning himself >relative to his amp(s). One more wrinkle which may not be easily duplicated: For years, Belew relied on the same beaten up vintage 60's strat, which had a tendency to feed back in really interesting ways (also probably didn't hurt that Adrian idolized Hendrix while growing up). Evidently, it was this particular style of feedback that landed him his first professional gig with Zappa. (Aside: according to some of Belew's interviews, he actually had blown the audition entirely, where he was asked to try out with Zappa and the rest of the band. Before leaving, Adrian pulled Frank into a room with just the two of them and cascaded him with ten minutes of ear-shattering guitar solo feedback. After that, he got the job.) I don't believe Adrian really used any other guitar until he picked up a second vintage strat around the time of his first solo album, "Twang Bar King" (released between "Beat" and "Three of a Perfect Pair", if I remember correctly). Also, I've heard rumors that later on there may have been a Sustainiac-like system or a compression circuit installed into that guitar body's electronics. So, some of those high feedback notes may not be readily reproducible because they're a function of that particular piece of wood under Belew's fingers. Not impossible to recreate, mind you, just a bit more difficult. >By the way, have a listen to 'The Great Curve' from Talking Heads 'Remain >in Light' album. Great feedback solo from Belew. Good one. Similarly, I'd also recommend 'Two Soldiers' from David Byrne's soundtrack for the broadway performance of "The Catherine Wheel". I'm especially fond of the way that, during the solo break, Belew obviously took several different feedback takes. Then, in true Byrne/Eno fashion, they were edited into quick machine-gun-like clips to form a single guitar solo that is truly twisted and genuinely neat. I believe it has to be one of the first true examples of granular/glitch guitar, and probably done entirely with 1/4" tape. ;) -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 15:32:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07KRRi11906; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 15:27:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 15:27:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c3d55c$d9114100$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <001101c3d55a$6f51ca70$0200a8c0@akadev.com> Subject: Re: King crimson stuff Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 15:28:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [68.163.176.176] at Wed, 7 Jan 2004 14:27:25 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At one point in the early 80's, and memory fails me when exactly, AB had an Ibanez HD1000 Harmonizer Harmonics Delay. I remember talking about it with, and buying one from, Reeves Gabrels when he was working at Wurlitzer on Newbury Street back in 1986. The Roland GR300 of that era also would create pitch-shifted tones +/- octaves And then AB also is a superlative slide-guitar player, and he would often go beyond the fretboard. I hope that helps. David Kirkdorffer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:11 PM Subject: RE: King crimson stuff > Red? Hmm!, the one I had in the 70's was blue (maybe there was another > version or it was customized) but, I did love that thing (it still had a > slightly ugly fuzz sound) the octave thing was cool (wish I still had it > $$$). > Do you think that was what he was using to get those sounds on Lone Rhino > and/or Twang Bar King? I ain't much for persuing those trivia details ;D > > Heres a pic the same as the one I had > http://www.tonefrenzy.com/2/images/gear/fox_tonemachine1%20copy.JPG > > I might have to think about duplicating this on one of my DSP boxes cause it > is cool sounding. > > Some circuits that supposedly replicate it > http://www.runoffgroove.com/ftm.html > http://www.generalguitargadgets.com/ftm.html > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: stanitarium@earthlink.net [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 2:40 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: King crimson stuff > > > hey bein a belewaholic since the 80s maybe i know... > every interview in print that i have from the days of elephant talk adrian > talks about his 'foxx tone machine' for those upper octavee thingees-it > works like the roger mayer 'octavia'-fuzz plus octave. and its red and fuzzy > :-) > s > > > No Harmonizer - He just uses the guitar to really get up there - you > > should try to locate the Live in Mexico official bootleg - he does a > > killer high pitched distorted feedback squeal solo on "Three of a > > Perfect Pair" - and if you can find the old video he made in the 80's > > you can see how he gets a lot of his sound with minimal effects > > although his rack at that time was the size of a fridge :) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 6:18 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: RE: King crimson stuff > > > > hes obviously also using some sort of harmonizer to > > get those really high pitched notes but what intrigues > > me is that you cannot hear the artifacts you usually > > hear from such devices > > louie > > --- Glenn Poorman wrote: > >> I think that second solo is pure guitar with some > >> good > >> fat distortion and compression. > >> > >> Glenn > >> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:39 AM > >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>> Subject: Re: King crimson stuff > >>> > >>> Thanx Caleb > >>> Yes i am aware that they both used Roland synths > >> and > >>> in Elephant talk is really clear the synth solo > >> from > >>> fripp but the second solo is the one that > >> intrigues > >>> me... > >>> Cheers > >>> Louie > >> > > > > > > ===== > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 15:58:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07Kq1G14939; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 15:52:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 15:52:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: King crimson stuff Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 15:51:59 -0500 Message-ID: <001201c3d560$186f4d30$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <001801c3d55c$d9114100$0affff0a@hppav> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i07Kq0k14917 Resent-Message-ID: <266O9C.A.UpD.xFH__@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had always been under the assumption that he got the octave sound out of the GR300 myself but, since someone brought up the possibility of the Foxx Tone Machine. I got to thinking that it could possibly be that or maybe he just conciously or unconciously modeled his GR patch around the FTM sound or something like it. The tune I was thinking about was Paint The Road from Twang Bar King. Thanks Guys Another Belewaholic ;D -----Original Message----- From: David [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: King crimson stuff At one point in the early 80's, and memory fails me when exactly, AB had an Ibanez HD1000 Harmonizer Harmonics Delay. I remember talking about it with, and buying one from, Reeves Gabrels when he was working at Wurlitzer on Newbury Street back in 1986. The Roland GR300 of that era also would create pitch-shifted tones +/- octaves And then AB also is a superlative slide-guitar player, and he would often go beyond the fretboard. I hope that helps. David Kirkdorffer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:11 PM Subject: RE: King crimson stuff > Red? Hmm!, the one I had in the 70's was blue (maybe there was another > version or it was customized) but, I did love that thing (it still had > a slightly ugly fuzz sound) the octave thing was cool (wish I still > had it $$$). Do you think that was what he was using to get those > sounds on Lone Rhino and/or Twang Bar King? I ain't much for persuing > those trivia details ;D > > Heres a pic the same as the one I had > http://www.tonefrenzy.com/2/images/gear/fox_tonemachine1%20copy.JPG > > I might have to think about duplicating this on one of my DSP boxes > cause it > is cool sounding. > > Some circuits that supposedly replicate it > http://www.runoffgroove.com/ftm.html > http://www.generalguitargadgets.com/ftm.html > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: stanitarium@earthlink.net [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 2:40 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: King crimson stuff > > > hey bein a belewaholic since the 80s maybe i know... > every interview in print that i have from the days of elephant talk > adrian talks about his 'foxx tone machine' for those upper octavee > thingees-it works like the roger mayer 'octavia'-fuzz plus octave. and > its red and fuzzy > :-) > s > > > No Harmonizer - He just uses the guitar to really get up there - you > > should try to locate the Live in Mexico official bootleg - he does a > > killer high pitched distorted feedback squeal solo on "Three of a > > Perfect Pair" - and if you can find the old video he made in the > > 80's you can see how he gets a lot of his sound with minimal effects > > although his rack at that time was the size of a fridge :) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 6:18 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: RE: King crimson stuff > > > > hes obviously also using some sort of harmonizer to > > get those really high pitched notes but what intrigues > > me is that you cannot hear the artifacts you usually > > hear from such devices > > louie > > --- Glenn Poorman wrote: > >> I think that second solo is pure guitar with some > >> good > >> fat distortion and compression. > >> > >> Glenn > >> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:39 AM > >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>> Subject: Re: King crimson stuff > >>> > >>> Thanx Caleb > >>> Yes i am aware that they both used Roland synths > >> and > >>> in Elephant talk is really clear the synth solo > >> from > >>> fripp but the second solo is the one that > >> intrigues > >>> me... > >>> Cheers > >>> Louie > >> > > > > > > ===== > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 16:28:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07LNjd19831; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:23:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:23:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1359.172.155.24.151.1073510624.squirrel@172.155.24.151> In-Reply-To: <3FFC58A6.1030707@mhorse.com> References: <20040107055251.66685.qmail@web80202.mail.yahoo.com> <3FFC58A6.1030707@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 15:23:44 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: OT: heavy rack support From: "Justin Fobes" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail X-Mailer: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <00RfuB.A.o1E.gjH__@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Daryl, Yes you should be concerned! There should be rear mounting brackets attatched to the heavier pieces, if not, contact your case Manufacturer for the supports. Probably not much help, but hey, you get what you pay for! -Justin http://www.JustinFobesMusic.com Daryl wrote: > > I just bought a 16-space shockmount rack for my studio equipment. > There's some fairly heavy gear I'm going to want in there, and it's > going to be chock-full, so I'm concerned about all the gear hanging from > the front rails. The rack has rear rails too, so I'd think I could find > some supports that would connect between the two to distribute the > weight. Should I be concerned? Anyone run into this and find a solution? > > Daryl Shawn > highhorse@mhorse.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 16:49:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07LjUI22737; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:45:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:45:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 13:45:24 -0800 Subject: Re: King crimson stuff From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001201c3d560$186f4d30$0200a8c0@akadev.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com here is a quote from Guitar Player jan.'84: AB describing his onstage/studio equipment p.80- ...number 3 is my Foxx[Tone Machine]fuzztone. That's the sound in "Big Electric Cat" and "Paint the Road". "i always use it w/ the high octave sustain switch on. its my favorite effect, and not an easy one to find these days. i'm also daisy-chaining the Foxx-tone into an MXR 10-band graphic equalizer so that i can eq it." i know i'm getting into minutia here but AB is/was a great looper guitar guy,so... s > I had always been under the assumption that he got the octave sound out of > the GR300 myself but, since someone brought up the possibility of the Foxx > Tone Machine. I got to thinking that it could possibly be that or maybe he > just conciously or unconciously modeled his GR patch around the FTM sound or > something like it. The tune I was thinking about was Paint The Road from > Twang Bar King. > > Thanks Guys > Another Belewaholic ;D > > -----Original Message----- > From: David [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:29 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: King crimson stuff > > > At one point in the early 80's, and memory fails me when exactly, AB had an > Ibanez HD1000 Harmonizer Harmonics Delay. I remember talking about it with, > and buying one from, Reeves Gabrels when he was working at Wurlitzer on > Newbury Street back in 1986. > > The Roland GR300 of that era also would create pitch-shifted tones +/- > octaves > > And then AB also is a superlative slide-guitar player, and he would often go > beyond the fretboard. > > I hope that helps. > > David Kirkdorffer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Kroeger" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:11 PM > Subject: RE: King crimson stuff > > >> Red? Hmm!, the one I had in the 70's was blue (maybe there was another >> version or it was customized) but, I did love that thing (it still had >> a slightly ugly fuzz sound) the octave thing was cool (wish I still >> had it $$$). Do you think that was what he was using to get those >> sounds on Lone Rhino and/or Twang Bar King? I ain't much for persuing >> those trivia details ;D >> >> Heres a pic the same as the one I had >> http://www.tonefrenzy.com/2/images/gear/fox_tonemachine1%20copy.JPG >> >> I might have to think about duplicating this on one of my DSP boxes >> cause > it >> is cool sounding. >> >> Some circuits that supposedly replicate it >> http://www.runoffgroove.com/ftm.html >> http://www.generalguitargadgets.com/ftm.html >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: stanitarium@earthlink.net [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] >> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 2:40 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: King crimson stuff >> >> >> hey bein a belewaholic since the 80s maybe i know... >> every interview in print that i have from the days of elephant talk >> adrian talks about his 'foxx tone machine' for those upper octavee >> thingees-it works like the roger mayer 'octavia'-fuzz plus octave. and >> its red and > fuzzy >> :-) >> s >> >>> No Harmonizer - He just uses the guitar to really get up there - you >>> should try to locate the Live in Mexico official bootleg - he does a >>> killer high pitched distorted feedback squeal solo on "Three of a >>> Perfect Pair" - and if you can find the old video he made in the >>> 80's you can see how he gets a lot of his sound with minimal effects >>> although his rack at that time was the size of a fridge :) >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 6:18 AM >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Subject: RE: King crimson stuff >>> >>> hes obviously also using some sort of harmonizer to >>> get those really high pitched notes but what intrigues >>> me is that you cannot hear the artifacts you usually >>> hear from such devices >>> louie >>> --- Glenn Poorman wrote: >>>> I think that second solo is pure guitar with some >>>> good >>>> fat distortion and compression. >>>> >>>> Glenn >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:39 AM >>>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>>> Subject: Re: King crimson stuff >>>>> >>>>> Thanx Caleb >>>>> Yes i am aware that they both used Roland synths >>>> and >>>>> in Elephant talk is really clear the synth solo >>>> from >>>>> fripp but the second solo is the one that >>>> intrigues >>>>> me... >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Louie >>>> >>> >>> >>> ===== >>> www.luis-angulo.com >>> >>> __________________________________ >>> Do you Yahoo!? >>> Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes >>> http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 16:57:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07Lrnf23817; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:53:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:53:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FFC7FF0.5010909@biink.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 16:53:52 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: King crimson stuff References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com He also used an EH Graphic fuzz at some point in the early '80's. Two. Two pedals in one! -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 17:01:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07Lwo724698; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:58:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:58:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: King crimson stuff Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:58:48 -0500 Message-ID: <001301c3d569$6df745b0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i07Lwnk24668 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well I'm glad somebody can keep track of this stuff I wonder whether the Red FTM ha had was custom or some sort of model change? Thanks S -----Original Message----- From: stanitarium@earthlink.net [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 4:45 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: King crimson stuff here is a quote from Guitar Player jan.'84: AB describing his onstage/studio equipment p.80- ...number 3 is my Foxx[Tone Machine]fuzztone. That's the sound in "Big Electric Cat" and "Paint the Road". "i always use it w/ the high octave sustain switch on. its my favorite effect, and not an easy one to find these days. i'm also daisy-chaining the Foxx-tone into an MXR 10-band graphic equalizer so that i can eq it." i know i'm getting into minutia here but AB is/was a great looper guitar guy,so... s > I had always been under the assumption that he got the octave sound > out of the GR300 myself but, since someone brought up the possibility > of the Foxx Tone Machine. I got to thinking that it could possibly be > that or maybe he just conciously or unconciously modeled his GR patch > around the FTM sound or something like it. The tune I was thinking > about was Paint The Road from Twang Bar King. > > Thanks Guys > Another Belewaholic ;D > > -----Original Message----- > From: David [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:29 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: King crimson stuff > > > At one point in the early 80's, and memory fails me when exactly, AB > had an Ibanez HD1000 Harmonizer Harmonics Delay. I remember talking > about it with, and buying one from, Reeves Gabrels when he was working > at Wurlitzer on Newbury Street back in 1986. > > The Roland GR300 of that era also would create pitch-shifted tones +/- > octaves > > And then AB also is a superlative slide-guitar player, and he would > often go beyond the fretboard. > > I hope that helps. > > David Kirkdorffer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Kroeger" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:11 PM > Subject: RE: King crimson stuff > > >> Red? Hmm!, the one I had in the 70's was blue (maybe there was >> another version or it was customized) but, I did love that thing (it >> still had a slightly ugly fuzz sound) the octave thing was cool (wish >> I still had it $$$). Do you think that was what he was using to get >> those sounds on Lone Rhino and/or Twang Bar King? I ain't much for >> persuing those trivia details ;D >> >> Heres a pic the same as the one I had >> http://www.tonefrenzy.com/2/images/gear/fox_tonemachine1%20copy.JPG >> >> I might have to think about duplicating this on one of my DSP boxes >> cause > it >> is cool sounding. >> >> Some circuits that supposedly replicate it >> http://www.runoffgroove.com/ftm.html >> http://www.generalguitargadgets.com/ftm.html >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: stanitarium@earthlink.net [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] >> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 2:40 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: King crimson stuff >> >> >> hey bein a belewaholic since the 80s maybe i know... >> every interview in print that i have from the days of elephant talk >> adrian talks about his 'foxx tone machine' for those upper octavee >> thingees-it works like the roger mayer 'octavia'-fuzz plus octave. >> and its red and > fuzzy >> :-) >> s >> >>> No Harmonizer - He just uses the guitar to really get up there - you >>> should try to locate the Live in Mexico official bootleg - he does a >>> killer high pitched distorted feedback squeal solo on "Three of a >>> Perfect Pair" - and if you can find the old video he made in the >>> 80's you can see how he gets a lot of his sound with minimal effects >>> although his rack at that time was the size of a fridge :) >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 6:18 AM >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Subject: RE: King crimson stuff >>> >>> hes obviously also using some sort of harmonizer to >>> get those really high pitched notes but what intrigues >>> me is that you cannot hear the artifacts you usually >>> hear from such devices >>> louie >>> --- Glenn Poorman wrote: >>>> I think that second solo is pure guitar with some >>>> good >>>> fat distortion and compression. >>>> >>>> Glenn >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:39 AM >>>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>>> Subject: Re: King crimson stuff >>>>> >>>>> Thanx Caleb >>>>> Yes i am aware that they both used Roland synths >>>> and >>>>> in Elephant talk is really clear the synth solo >>>> from >>>>> fripp but the second solo is the one that >>>> intrigues >>>>> me... >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Louie >>>> >>> >>> >>> ===== >>> www.luis-angulo.com >>> >>> __________________________________ >>> Do you Yahoo!? >>> Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes >>> http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 17:23:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07MKW229349; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 17:20:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 17:20:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040107222025.65245.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 14:20:25 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: King crimson stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <4DFIZB.A.fKH.wYI__@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com He might of course be doing harmonics with his pick and right finger but it sounds way too fast for that! --- stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > here is a quote from Guitar Player jan.'84: > AB describing his onstage/studio equipment p.80- > ...number 3 is my Foxx[Tone Machine]fuzztone. That's > the sound in "Big > Electric Cat" and "Paint the Road". "i always use it > w/ the high octave > sustain switch on. its my favorite effect, and not > an easy one to find these > days. i'm also daisy-chaining the Foxx-tone into an > MXR 10-band graphic > equalizer so that i can eq it." > i know i'm getting into minutia here but AB is/was a > great looper guitar > guy,so... > s > > > I had always been under the assumption that he got > the octave sound out of > > the GR300 myself but, since someone brought up the > possibility of the Foxx > > Tone Machine. I got to thinking that it could > possibly be that or maybe he > > just conciously or unconciously modeled his GR > patch around the FTM sound or > > something like it. The tune I was thinking about > was Paint The Road from > > Twang Bar King. > > > > Thanks Guys > > Another Belewaholic ;D > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:29 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: King crimson stuff > > > > > > At one point in the early 80's, and memory fails > me when exactly, AB had an > > Ibanez HD1000 Harmonizer Harmonics Delay. I > remember talking about it with, > > and buying one from, Reeves Gabrels when he was > working at Wurlitzer on > > Newbury Street back in 1986. > > > > The Roland GR300 of that era also would create > pitch-shifted tones +/- > > octaves > > > > And then AB also is a superlative slide-guitar > player, and he would often go > > beyond the fretboard. > > > > I hope that helps. > > > > David Kirkdorffer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alan Kroeger" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:11 PM > > Subject: RE: King crimson stuff > > > > > >> Red? Hmm!, the one I had in the 70's was blue > (maybe there was another > >> version or it was customized) but, I did love > that thing (it still had > >> a slightly ugly fuzz sound) the octave thing was > cool (wish I still > >> had it $$$). Do you think that was what he was > using to get those > >> sounds on Lone Rhino and/or Twang Bar King? I > ain't much for persuing > >> those trivia details ;D > >> > >> Heres a pic the same as the one I had > >> > http://www.tonefrenzy.com/2/images/gear/fox_tonemachine1%20copy.JPG > >> > >> I might have to think about duplicating this on > one of my DSP boxes > >> cause > > it > >> is cool sounding. > >> > >> Some circuits that supposedly replicate it > >> http://www.runoffgroove.com/ftm.html > >> http://www.generalguitargadgets.com/ftm.html > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: stanitarium@earthlink.net > [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 2:40 PM > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Subject: Re: King crimson stuff > >> > >> > >> hey bein a belewaholic since the 80s maybe i > know... > >> every interview in print that i have from the > days of elephant talk > >> adrian talks about his 'foxx tone machine' for > those upper octavee > >> thingees-it works like the roger mayer > 'octavia'-fuzz plus octave. and > >> its red and > > fuzzy > >> :-) > >> s > >> > >>> No Harmonizer - He just uses the guitar to > really get up there - you > >>> should try to locate the Live in Mexico official > bootleg - he does a > >>> killer high pitched distorted feedback squeal > solo on "Three of a > >>> Perfect Pair" - and if you can find the old > video he made in the > >>> 80's you can see how he gets a lot of his sound > with minimal effects > >>> although his rack at that time was the size of a > fridge :) > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 6:18 AM > >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>> Subject: RE: King crimson stuff > >>> > >>> hes obviously also using some sort of harmonizer > to > >>> get those really high pitched notes but what > intrigues > >>> me is that you cannot hear the artifacts you > usually > >>> hear from such devices > >>> louie > >>> --- Glenn Poorman > wrote: > >>>> I think that second solo is pure guitar with > some > >>>> good > >>>> fat distortion and compression. > >>>> > >>>> Glenn > >>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:39 AM > >>>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>>>> Subject: Re: King crimson stuff > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanx Caleb > >>>>> Yes i am aware that they both used Roland > synths > >>>> and > >>>>> in Elephant talk is really clear the synth > solo > >>>> from > >>>>> fripp but the second solo is the one that > >>>> intrigues > >>>>> me... > >>>>> Cheers > >>>>> Louie > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ===== > >>> www.luis-angulo.com > >>> > >>> __________________________________ > >>> Do you Yahoo!? > >>> Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" > Sweepstakes > >>> > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 17:28:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07MPCB30240; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 17:25:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 17:25:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040107222505.39336.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 14:25:05 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: King crimson stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20040107134618.05298d98@spamarrest.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Another one i love fro Adrian is High wired his fuzz souds are really inspiring! cheers Louie --- Catilyne wrote: > At 12:57 PM 1/7/2004, Paul Greenstein wrote: > >I remember reading various guitar geek interviews > with Adrian Belew around > >the time those albums were released. I think a big > part of his technique > >was to use fairly extreme equalisation to encourage > particular harmonics > >to feed back, plus *really* getting to grips with > positioning himself > >relative to his amp(s). > > One more wrinkle which may not be easily duplicated: > For years, Belew > relied on the same beaten up vintage 60's strat, > which had a tendency to > feed back in really interesting ways (also probably > didn't hurt that Adrian > idolized Hendrix while growing up). > > Evidently, it was this particular style of feedback > that landed him his > first professional gig with Zappa. (Aside: > according to some of Belew's > interviews, he actually had blown the audition > entirely, where he was asked > to try out with Zappa and the rest of the band. > Before leaving, Adrian > pulled Frank into a room with just the two of them > and cascaded him with > ten minutes of ear-shattering guitar solo feedback. > After that, he got the > job.) > > I don't believe Adrian really used any other guitar > until he picked up a > second vintage strat around the time of his first > solo album, "Twang Bar > King" (released between "Beat" and "Three of a > Perfect Pair", if I remember > correctly). > > Also, I've heard rumors that later on there may have > been a Sustainiac-like > system or a compression circuit installed into that > guitar body's electronics. > > So, some of those high feedback notes may not be > readily reproducible > because they're a function of that particular piece > of wood under Belew's > fingers. Not impossible to recreate, mind you, just > a bit more difficult. > > >By the way, have a listen to 'The Great Curve' from > Talking Heads 'Remain > >in Light' album. Great feedback solo from Belew. > > Good one. Similarly, I'd also recommend 'Two > Soldiers' from David Byrne's > soundtrack for the broadway performance of "The > Catherine Wheel". I'm > especially fond of the way that, during the solo > break, Belew obviously > took several different feedback takes. Then, in > true Byrne/Eno fashion, > they were edited into quick machine-gun-like clips > to form a single guitar > solo that is truly twisted and genuinely neat. I > believe it has to be one > of the first true examples of granular/glitch > guitar, and probably done > entirely with 1/4" tape. ;) > > -c- > > _____ > "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* > what reaches back" > > -recoil > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 17:45:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07MXW232121; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 17:33:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 17:33:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040107223329.48946.qmail@web21323.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 14:33:29 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: King crimson stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've heard that the relatively inexpensive Danelectro French Toast was designed to sound like the Foxx Tone Machine. I enjoy using mine sometimes, but I've never played a real FTM to compare it to. Greg --- stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > here is a quote from Guitar Player jan.'84: > AB describing his onstage/studio equipment p.80- > ...number 3 is my Foxx[Tone Machine]fuzztone. That's the sound in "Big > Electric Cat" and "Paint the Road". "i always use it w/ the high octave > sustain switch on. its my favorite effect, and not an easy one to find these > days. i'm also daisy-chaining the Foxx-tone into an MXR 10-band graphic > equalizer so that i can eq it." > i know i'm getting into minutia here but AB is/was a great looper guitar > guy,so... > s > > > I had always been under the assumption that he got the octave sound out of > > the GR300 myself but, since someone brought up the possibility of the Foxx > > Tone Machine. I got to thinking that it could possibly be that or maybe he > > just conciously or unconciously modeled his GR patch around the FTM sound or > > something like it. The tune I was thinking about was Paint The Road from > > Twang Bar King. > > > > Thanks Guys > > Another Belewaholic ;D > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:29 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: King crimson stuff > > > > > > At one point in the early 80's, and memory fails me when exactly, AB had an > > Ibanez HD1000 Harmonizer Harmonics Delay. I remember talking about it with, > > and buying one from, Reeves Gabrels when he was working at Wurlitzer on > > Newbury Street back in 1986. > > > > The Roland GR300 of that era also would create pitch-shifted tones +/- > > octaves > > > > And then AB also is a superlative slide-guitar player, and he would often go > > beyond the fretboard. > > > > I hope that helps. > > > > David Kirkdorffer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alan Kroeger" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:11 PM > > Subject: RE: King crimson stuff > > > > > >> Red? Hmm!, the one I had in the 70's was blue (maybe there was another > >> version or it was customized) but, I did love that thing (it still had > >> a slightly ugly fuzz sound) the octave thing was cool (wish I still > >> had it $$$). Do you think that was what he was using to get those > >> sounds on Lone Rhino and/or Twang Bar King? I ain't much for persuing > >> those trivia details ;D > >> > >> Heres a pic the same as the one I had > >> http://www.tonefrenzy.com/2/images/gear/fox_tonemachine1%20copy.JPG > >> > >> I might have to think about duplicating this on one of my DSP boxes > >> cause > > it > >> is cool sounding. > >> > >> Some circuits that supposedly replicate it > >> http://www.runoffgroove.com/ftm.html > >> http://www.generalguitargadgets.com/ftm.html > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: stanitarium@earthlink.net [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 2:40 PM > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Subject: Re: King crimson stuff > >> > >> > >> hey bein a belewaholic since the 80s maybe i know... > >> every interview in print that i have from the days of elephant talk > >> adrian talks about his 'foxx tone machine' for those upper octavee > >> thingees-it works like the roger mayer 'octavia'-fuzz plus octave. and > >> its red and > > fuzzy > >> :-) > >> s > >> > >>> No Harmonizer - He just uses the guitar to really get up there - you > >>> should try to locate the Live in Mexico official bootleg - he does a > >>> killer high pitched distorted feedback squeal solo on "Three of a > >>> Perfect Pair" - and if you can find the old video he made in the > >>> 80's you can see how he gets a lot of his sound with minimal effects > >>> although his rack at that time was the size of a fridge :) > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 6:18 AM > >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>> Subject: RE: King crimson stuff > >>> > >>> hes obviously also using some sort of harmonizer to > >>> get those really high pitched notes but what intrigues > >>> me is that you cannot hear the artifacts you usually > >>> hear from such devices > >>> louie > >>> --- Glenn Poorman wrote: > >>>> I think that second solo is pure guitar with some > >>>> good > >>>> fat distortion and compression. > >>>> > >>>> Glenn > >>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:39 AM > >>>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>>>> Subject: Re: King crimson stuff > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanx Caleb > >>>>> Yes i am aware that they both used Roland synths > >>>> and > >>>>> in Elephant talk is really clear the synth solo > >>>> from > >>>>> fripp but the second solo is the one that > >>>> intrigues > >>>>> me... > >>>>> Cheers > >>>>> Louie > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ===== > >>> www.luis-angulo.com > >>> > >>> __________________________________ > >>> Do you Yahoo!? > >>> Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > >>> http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 18:03:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07N1vF06902; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 18:01:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 18:01:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [161.91.247.11] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] X-Sender: nic_roozeboom@msn.com From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: King crimson stuff Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 15:01:50 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2004 23:01:51.0284 (UTC) FILETIME=[3C666F40:01C3D572] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com IMO he did a kind of 'ultimate' version of this particular 'songbird' style of his in the solo to 'Happy with What you Have to be Happy With', on the mini-CD of the same title as well as on The Power to Believe. Almost as a self-parody it would seem, but no less impressive. I've never much tried to deconstruct this style of playing (as it is so personal to him and sounds nigh-impossible and completely pointless to try and reproduce:-). But to my ears it sounds a bit as though it's a variation of the harmonic technique where you only apply the harmonic after the pick action, mid-note, so to speak...? Nic >From: "L. Angulo" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: King crimson stuff >Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 14:20:25 -0800 (PST) > >He might of course be doing harmonics with his pick >and right finger but it sounds way too fast for that! > _________________________________________________________________ Tired of slow downloads? Compare online deals from your local high-speed providers now. https://broadband.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 18:13:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07N7Nr07836; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 18:07:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 18:07:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040107181021.014774a0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: nickd@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 18:10:21 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: nick douglas Subject: Re: King crimson stuff In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20040107134618.05298d98@spamarrest.com> References: <62CA2A42-4143-11D8-8BAB-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> <20040107133852.43320.qmail@web41014.mail.yahoo.com> <62CA2A42-4143-11D8-8BAB-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <7ZmAkD.A.T6B.rEJ__@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was lucky enough to see Mr. Adrian Belew play 5 or 6 nights in a row when he was still with Sweetheart, a cover band that played R&R dance clubs on the Florida-to-upper-midwest circuit (same gigs where Zappa first saw him, actually). They did 4 sets a night (with only few repeats and originals in the last set each night) and covered songs that weren't the typical choices of cover bands. They were by far the best cover-band I've ever seen. Anyway, using stomp-boxes and astonishing feedback control he would switch from sounding just like Jimi Hendrix to sounding just like Jeff Beck, to Townshend to Clapton to Harrison to Lennon to Page to Zappa to.... I talked to him at the bar a few times between sets that week. IIRC he said that among his stomp boxes and pedals were several different fuzzes (fuzz-face, Big Muff, some kinda Rat IIRC) and also octave up/down box(es) but that he often did the octave-up thing using just feedback and EQ. Of course, I might be mistaken because this was a long time ago and the gear talk wasn't as memorable as some other details of those nights. As Catilyne said, he was using that beat-up dayglo yellow strat with duct-tape around the top horn of the body where he would grab it to bend the neck. That's the same guitar he later used with Zappa, Bowie, Talking Heads / Tom-Tom Club, etc. I think he already had the lime green one then, too. I know he had both the yellow and green dayglo guitars a few months later when I saw his (first?) gig with Zappa. I don't think he ever put a sustainer on those old guitars, but in later years he's had a Fernandes (and other guitars?) with them built-in, but I don't know how much he uses them. I recall seeing him touch the speaker cabinet with the guitar's neck or headstock during one of the KC double-trio gigs so that guitar probably didn't have a built-in sustainer. In case you don't know, Twang Bar King and Lone Rhino have *finally* been released on CD as Japanese imports and are available directly from the artist at http://www.adrianbelew.net . Sadly, Young Lions seems to now be out of print but is worth checking out for "Pretty Pink Rose", "Men in Helicopters", and especially "I Am What I Am", if you like his fuzz/sustain/tone/technique. Sorry to take so much bandwidth. Back to looping, Nick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 18:13:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07NB3A08476; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 18:11:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 18:11:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <001301c3d569$6df745b0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> References: <001301c3d569$6df745b0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ken Hawkins Subject: Re: King crimson stuff Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 15:10:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thought all you belew heads out there might like this: http://www.generalguitargadgets.com/ftm.html i know that i did! ken; On Jan 7, 2004, at 1:58 PM, Alan Kroeger wrote: > Well I'm glad somebody can keep track of this stuff I wonder whether > the Red > FTM ha had was custom or some sort of model change? > > Thanks S > > -----Original Message----- > From: stanitarium@earthlink.net [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 4:45 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: King crimson stuff > > > here is a quote from Guitar Player jan.'84: > AB describing his onstage/studio equipment p.80- > ...number 3 is my Foxx[Tone Machine]fuzztone. That's the sound in "Big > Electric Cat" and "Paint the Road". "i always use it w/ the high octave > sustain switch on. its my favorite effect, and not an easy one to find > these > days. i'm also daisy-chaining the Foxx-tone into an MXR 10-band graphic > equalizer so that i can eq it." i know i'm getting into minutia here > but AB > is/was a great looper guitar guy,so... s > >> I had always been under the assumption that he got the octave sound >> out of the GR300 myself but, since someone brought up the possibility >> of the Foxx Tone Machine. I got to thinking that it could possibly be >> that or maybe he just conciously or unconciously modeled his GR patch >> around the FTM sound or something like it. The tune I was thinking >> about was Paint The Road from Twang Bar King. >> >> Thanks Guys >> Another Belewaholic ;D >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] >> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:29 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: King crimson stuff >> >> >> At one point in the early 80's, and memory fails me when exactly, AB >> had an Ibanez HD1000 Harmonizer Harmonics Delay. I remember talking >> about it with, and buying one from, Reeves Gabrels when he was working >> at Wurlitzer on Newbury Street back in 1986. >> >> The Roland GR300 of that era also would create pitch-shifted tones +/- >> octaves >> >> And then AB also is a superlative slide-guitar player, and he would >> often go beyond the fretboard. >> >> I hope that helps. >> >> David Kirkdorffer >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Alan Kroeger" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:11 PM >> Subject: RE: King crimson stuff >> >> >>> Red? Hmm!, the one I had in the 70's was blue (maybe there was >>> another version or it was customized) but, I did love that thing (it >>> still had a slightly ugly fuzz sound) the octave thing was cool (wish >>> I still had it $$$). Do you think that was what he was using to get >>> those sounds on Lone Rhino and/or Twang Bar King? I ain't much for >>> persuing those trivia details ;D >>> >>> Heres a pic the same as the one I had >>> http://www.tonefrenzy.com/2/images/gear/fox_tonemachine1%20copy.JPG >>> >>> I might have to think about duplicating this on one of my DSP boxes >>> cause >> it >>> is cool sounding. >>> >>> Some circuits that supposedly replicate it >>> http://www.runoffgroove.com/ftm.html >>> http://www.generalguitargadgets.com/ftm.html >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: stanitarium@earthlink.net [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 2:40 PM >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Subject: Re: King crimson stuff >>> >>> >>> hey bein a belewaholic since the 80s maybe i know... >>> every interview in print that i have from the days of elephant talk >>> adrian talks about his 'foxx tone machine' for those upper octavee >>> thingees-it works like the roger mayer 'octavia'-fuzz plus octave. >>> and its red and >> fuzzy >>> :-) >>> s >>> >>>> No Harmonizer - He just uses the guitar to really get up there - you >>>> should try to locate the Live in Mexico official bootleg - he does a >>>> killer high pitched distorted feedback squeal solo on "Three of a >>>> Perfect Pair" - and if you can find the old video he made in the >>>> 80's you can see how he gets a lot of his sound with minimal effects >>>> although his rack at that time was the size of a fridge :) >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] >>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 6:18 AM >>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>> Subject: RE: King crimson stuff >>>> >>>> hes obviously also using some sort of harmonizer to >>>> get those really high pitched notes but what intrigues >>>> me is that you cannot hear the artifacts you usually >>>> hear from such devices >>>> louie >>>> --- Glenn Poorman wrote: >>>>> I think that second solo is pure guitar with some >>>>> good >>>>> fat distortion and compression. >>>>> >>>>> Glenn >>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:39 AM >>>>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: King crimson stuff >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanx Caleb >>>>>> Yes i am aware that they both used Roland synths >>>>> and >>>>>> in Elephant talk is really clear the synth solo >>>>> from >>>>>> fripp but the second solo is the one that >>>>> intrigues >>>>>> me... >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> Louie >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ===== >>>> www.luis-angulo.com >>>> >>>> __________________________________ >>>> Do you Yahoo!? >>>> Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes >>>> http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 18:31:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i07NQW411077; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 18:26:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 18:26:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: King crimson stuff Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 18:26:31 -0500 Message-ID: <001401c3d575$ae9535d0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20040107223329.48946.qmail@web21323.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i07NQWk11044 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Okay you gearheads you gave me some more Gas I might just have to look into this French Toast toy (certainly cheap enough).The Danelectro sounds cheaper then building your own and the circuitry in the original certainly wasn't all that advanced or that good sounding through the Fender Twin I ran it through then ;D -----Original Message----- From: Greg House [mailto:ghunicycle@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 5:33 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: King crimson stuff I've heard that the relatively inexpensive Danelectro French Toast was designed to sound like the Foxx Tone Machine. I enjoy using mine sometimes, but I've never played a real FTM to compare it to. Greg --- stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > here is a quote from Guitar Player jan.'84: > AB describing his onstage/studio equipment p.80- > ...number 3 is my Foxx[Tone Machine]fuzztone. That's the sound in "Big > Electric Cat" and "Paint the Road". "i always use it w/ the high > octave sustain switch on. its my favorite effect, and not an easy one > to find these days. i'm also daisy-chaining the Foxx-tone into an MXR > 10-band graphic equalizer so that i can eq it." i know i'm getting > into minutia here but AB is/was a great looper guitar guy,so... > s > > > I had always been under the assumption that he got the octave sound > > out of the GR300 myself but, since someone brought up the > > possibility of the Foxx Tone Machine. I got to thinking that it > > could possibly be that or maybe he just conciously or unconciously > > modeled his GR patch around the FTM sound or something like it. The > > tune I was thinking about was Paint The Road from Twang Bar King. > > > > Thanks Guys > > Another Belewaholic ;D > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:29 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: King crimson stuff > > > > > > At one point in the early 80's, and memory fails me when exactly, AB > > had an Ibanez HD1000 Harmonizer Harmonics Delay. I remember talking > > about it with, and buying one from, Reeves Gabrels when he was > > working at Wurlitzer on Newbury Street back in 1986. > > > > The Roland GR300 of that era also would create pitch-shifted tones > > +/- octaves > > > > And then AB also is a superlative slide-guitar player, and he would > > often go beyond the fretboard. > > > > I hope that helps. > > > > David Kirkdorffer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alan Kroeger" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:11 PM > > Subject: RE: King crimson stuff > > > > > >> Red? Hmm!, the one I had in the 70's was blue (maybe there was > >> another version or it was customized) but, I did love that thing > >> (it still had a slightly ugly fuzz sound) the octave thing was cool > >> (wish I still had it $$$). Do you think that was what he was using > >> to get those sounds on Lone Rhino and/or Twang Bar King? I ain't > >> much for persuing those trivia details ;D > >> > >> Heres a pic the same as the one I had > >> http://www.tonefrenzy.com/2/images/gear/fox_tonemachine1%20copy.JPG > >> > >> I might have to think about duplicating this on one of my DSP boxes > >> cause > > it > >> is cool sounding. > >> > >> Some circuits that supposedly replicate it > >> http://www.runoffgroove.com/ftm.html > >> http://www.generalguitargadgets.com/ftm.html > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: stanitarium@earthlink.net [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 2:40 PM > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Subject: Re: King crimson stuff > >> > >> > >> hey bein a belewaholic since the 80s maybe i know... > >> every interview in print that i have from the days of elephant talk > >> adrian talks about his 'foxx tone machine' for those upper octavee > >> thingees-it works like the roger mayer 'octavia'-fuzz plus octave. > >> and its red and > > fuzzy > >> :-) > >> s > >> > >>> No Harmonizer - He just uses the guitar to really get up there - > >>> you should try to locate the Live in Mexico official bootleg - he > >>> does a killer high pitched distorted feedback squeal solo on > >>> "Three of a Perfect Pair" - and if you can find the old video he > >>> made in the 80's you can see how he gets a lot of his sound with > >>> minimal effects although his rack at that time was the size of a > >>> fridge :) > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 6:18 AM > >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>> Subject: RE: King crimson stuff > >>> > >>> hes obviously also using some sort of harmonizer to > >>> get those really high pitched notes but what intrigues > >>> me is that you cannot hear the artifacts you usually > >>> hear from such devices > >>> louie > >>> --- Glenn Poorman wrote: > >>>> I think that second solo is pure guitar with some > >>>> good > >>>> fat distortion and compression. > >>>> > >>>> Glenn > >>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:39 AM > >>>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>>>> Subject: Re: King crimson stuff > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanx Caleb > >>>>> Yes i am aware that they both used Roland synths > >>>> and > >>>>> in Elephant talk is really clear the synth solo > >>>> from > >>>>> fripp but the second solo is the one that > >>>> intrigues > >>>>> me... > >>>>> Cheers > >>>>> Louie > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ===== > >>> www.luis-angulo.com > >>> > >>> __________________________________ > >>> Do you Yahoo!? > >>> Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > >>> http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 22:32:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i083TDV19388; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 22:29:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 22:29:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.162.163.19] X-Originating-Email: [matthewf5@hotmail.com] X-Sender: matthewf5@hotmail.com From: "Matthew Wiley" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP Not Working Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 21:29:06 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2004 03:29:07.0226 (UTC) FILETIME=[9290FFA0:01C3D597] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Turned the EDP on and the loop 4 screen came up and everything was normal, input was getting signal. the front panel buttons won't work when you scroll through the functions, nothing comes up in P1...P2....the front is lit up except for overdub and undo they aren't lit at all. any ideas? thanks -matt _________________________________________________________________ Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work � and yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 22:47:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i083kF021878; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 22:46:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 22:46:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040108034608.85027.qmail@web80206.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 19:46:08 -0800 (PST) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: Re: OT: heavy rack support To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1359.172.155.24.151.1073510624.squirrel@172.155.24.151> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-411221441-1073533568=:83950" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-411221441-1073533568=:83950 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii you can buy these little "L" shaped bits of metal at the hardware store...well, get those and attach some felt to one side (the side that will touch the underside of the rack unit) and screw them into the rack wall. voila! instant support. -jim --0-411221441-1073533568=:83950 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

you can buy these little "L" shaped bits of metal at the hardware store...well, get those and attach some felt to one side (the side that will touch the underside of the rack unit) and screw them into the rack wall. voila! instant support.

-jim

--0-411221441-1073533568=:83950-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 23:06:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i08410j25297; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 23:01:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 23:01:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <9AB475EE-418F-11D8-A039-0003930F282A@mlswebworks.com> From: Michael Firman Subject: Re: EDP Not Working Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 22:03:23 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i0840xk25272 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try opening it up and re-seating the memory. When the memory or the EPROMs wiggle out of their sockets (and they do - particularly if you tote the thing around) all sorts of strange behavior ensues. On Jan 7, 2004, at 9:29 PM, Matthew Wiley wrote: > Turned the EDP on and the loop 4 screen came up and everything was > normal, input was getting signal. the front panel buttons won't work > when you scroll through the functions, nothing comes up in > P1...P2....the front is lit up except for overdub and undo they aren't > lit at all. any ideas? > > thanks > -matt > > _________________________________________________________________ > Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work � > and yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx > > -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 23:12:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0848ll26430; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 23:08:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 23:08:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003501c3d59d$1df0fbe0$6402a8c0@breakyii> From: "Shane Whitbread" To: References: <001401c3d575$ae9535d0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> Subject: Re: King crimson stuff Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 23:08:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually, that pedal replaced my tone machine. When I bought it I had a TM, plus 2 Foxx Fuzz/Oct/Wahs. I now have 2 danelectro and none of the foxx's as the bypassing is terrible on them(and to mod it to TB would have killed the resale value). I A/B'd the Foxx with the danelectro at the shop I bought them from and everyone was more then a little impressed at the danelectro. Then again, maybe I had a bunch of weak examples. these are vintage pedals we are talking about(Quality control? what is that?) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 7 23:15:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i084DqO27163; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 23:13:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 23:13:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20040107211702.052ba650@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 22:12:55 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Alesis Akira (rack-mount Ineko)... In-Reply-To: <009701c3620c$0e36ae20$b963f93f@global> References: <200308132350.h7DNovF01593@hemlock.violacea.com> <009701c3620c$0e36ae20$b963f93f@global> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Since there's been a previous thread on the Alesis Ineko and its rather remarkable loop-mangleage (izzat a word?) capabilities, I thought I'd send in a heads-up that the Alesis Akira is currently on closeout for $199 at a variety of places. If anybody wants to beat their local dealer down on a price match, the cheapest I've seen it is $179 at 8th Street Music ( http://www.8thstreet.com/prod.asp?pid=8906 ) and musicalistruments4less.com ( http://www.musicalinstruments4less.com/49807944/m4_954532879.html ). Be cautious of that last link, however, as they're working in conjunction with Music123.com, and I can verify that Music123 is out of stock. The Alesis Akira is basically a 1U rack-mount version of the Ineko. The other main differences are that it features balanced(!) stereo 1/4" TRS jacks with I/O adjustable from -10dB to +4 dBu, better frequency response specs, an extra 50 memory locations that are user-programmable, an internal switched power supply, and a bypass jack. I'm not certain what the MIDI implementation was like on the Ineko, but the Akira has support for program change and continuous controller assignment for the X, Y, & Z knobs (there's not a heckuva lot more to edit on the Ineko/Akira). I just ordered one as a substitute for the Kaos Pad I've been using in my Repeater's effects loop. Not that I have any difficulty with my KP1 other than the fact that I've got too many widgets/pedals hanging out of my rack already, and I needed something rack-mountable (one less thing to plug in/set up onstage). The Akira has about umpteen different whacked-out effects, perfect for twisting loops inside out (a *frequency shifter*?!? i always thought i'd have to buy a modular synth to get one of those). Anyway, for anyone who was intrigued by the earlier talk of the Ineko but who also cringed at the thought of yet another tabletop box, here's your chance.... -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 00:28:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i085Rwm05652; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 00:27:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 00:27:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FFCEA10.90201@iinet.net.au> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 13:26:40 +0800 From: mjnoble User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: used edp - strange humming References: <9AB475EE-418F-11D8-A039-0003930F282A@mlswebworks.com> In-Reply-To: <9AB475EE-418F-11D8-A039-0003930F282A@mlswebworks.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, An aquaitance of mine happened to have a an edp just sitting around which was rescued from a tech disposal at the music store he works at (yes, it was going to be thrown out!). Thing is, he is prepared to sell it to me at a potentially unbeatable price. Are there any caveats to look for when buying a used edp. Its maxed out in memory already, has no footpedal, but appears to be working perfectly except for a loud electromechanical sounding humming coming from the lid near the power supply. It only hums when the lid is on the unit however - without the lid it seems like a perfectly operational edp. Anybody out there have any ideas what this humming might be? Do all edps hum like this? I wouldn't want to buy the unit and have it die on me straight away, as getting it fixed here in Australia might not be the easiest thing. thanks in advance for any replies, Michael Noble From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 05:45:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i08AhEM18460; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 05:43:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 05:43:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-15.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1073558527!6269778 X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.15; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533E62@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: foxx-tone (was King crimson stuff) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 10:34:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3D5D3.0C36F590" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3D5D3.0C36F590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Red? Hmm!, the one I had in the 70's was blue (maybe there was another version or it was customized) but, I did love that thing (it still had a slightly ugly fuzz sound) the octave thing was cool<< a few years ago, the guitarist from brit-pop band "dodgy" presented me with one of these things, in black furry fabric over a basic tin box, and told me that ian broudie (of "the lightning seeds", and then in the producer's chair) had lent it to him and wanted it back. so could I dismantle it and copy the essential part (the octaver) into the front-end of this EH big muff? I hated the idea of making a hole in the pi-box, which hadn't then been "reissued" and had something of a holy status for me, but I went ahead and copied the octaver circuit from the foxx. essentially, it's a phase-splitter. that is, the incoming waveform is amplified using a single-stage transistor amplifier, with outputs taken from both collector-side and emitter-side of the circuit. these waveforms are the same shape but 180deg out of phase. one is quite a bit smaller than the other too, as I recall. both signals are boosted up into pretty horrible near-symmetrical rectangular waveforms and then half-wave rectified so that each positive-going half-cycle of the "original" waveform ends up "represented" twice in the output waveform. I may still have a sketch of this somewhere.... the whole thing uses about five transistors and a few germanium diodes- I remember trying a few of these to get the right tone. a few months later, I tried to build another one and couldn't make it work at all. the one I did get going was duly installed with an extra switch in the aforementioned big muff and was particularly good at emphasizing the higher harmonics of regular playing aswell as making played harmonics incredibly loud. so it wouldn't surprise me if mr belew used one of these to assist his technique, which (as far as I can tell from bowie and KC perfs I've seen) relies on loads of gain and a considered stance in front of carefully-arranged amps. d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3D5D3.0C36F590 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: foxx-tone (was King crimson stuff)

>>Red? Hmm!, the one I had in the 70's was blue (ma= ybe there was another
version or it was customized) but, I did love that thing= (it still had a
slightly ugly fuzz sound) the octave thing was cool<&= lt;

a few years ago, the guitarist from brit-pop band "d= odgy" presented me with one of these things, in black furry fabric ove= r a basic tin box, and told me that ian broudie (of "the lightning see= ds", and then in the producer's chair) had lent it to him and wanted i= t back.

so could I dismantle it and copy the essential part (the = octaver) into the front-end of this EH big muff?

I hated the idea of making a hole in the pi-box, which ha= dn't then been "reissued" and had something of a holy status for = me, but I went ahead and copied the octaver circuit from the foxx. <= /P>

essentially, it's a phase-splitter. that is, the incoming= waveform is amplified using a single-stage transistor amplifier, with outp= uts taken from both collector-side and emitter-side of the circuit. these w= aveforms are the same shape but 180deg out of phase. one is quite a bit sma= ller than the other too, as I recall.

both signals are boosted up into pretty horrible near-sym= metrical rectangular waveforms and then half-wave rectified so that each po= sitive-going half-cycle of the "original" waveform ends up "= represented" twice in the output waveform.

I may still have a sketch of this somewhere....

the whole thing uses about five transistors and a few ger= manium diodes- I remember trying a few of these to get the right tone.

a few months later, I tried to build another one and coul= dn't make it work at all. the one I did get going was duly installed with a= n extra switch in the aforementioned big muff and was particularly good at = emphasizing the higher harmonics of regular playing aswell as making played= harmonics incredibly loud. so it wouldn't surprise me if mr belew used one= of these to assist his technique, which (as far as I can tell from bowie a= nd KC perfs I've seen) relies on loads of gain and a considered stance in f= ront of carefully-arranged amps.





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------_=_NextPart_001_01C3D5D3.0C36F590-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 06:27:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i08BQGn25839; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 06:26:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 06:26:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <7148CA70-41CD-11D8-B825-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Eric Williamson Subject: my organ trio looping rig pic gallery Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 05:26:03 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Resent-Message-ID: <9okW9D.A.oTG.Y5T__@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the Suit & Tie Guy Band is currently a "traditional" (haha) soul/jazz/reggae organ trio in which both the organist and guitarist are textural loopers who manage to invoke textural looping in a cover band context. i just put up a gallery of photos of my organ/looping rig on my site and thought i'd post a link to it here on the list (as i believe this would be "on-topic"): http://www.suitandtieguy.com/sights/stgb_gig_rig/ the Moog Liberation is used for soloing and looping. it feeds into the Echo Pro (for the simple delay and looper algorithm), which then gets pumped into the preamp of my organ (post-expression pedal), then the whole mess goes into the leslie. i'm very happy that i currently have such a wide tone palette which takes up no more stage space than my organ already does. and there's still room for the tip jar! i would love to haul out the dual looper rack with the Eventide and whatnot, but i currently don't have stage space in the bar we're playing at now. i use the looper heavily during dub tunes (Summertime, and "Dub Force Rising" .. a Star Wars medley) and slow funk jams (Isaac Hayes tunes for example). I'm going to try to record my gig this sunday, so if anyone wants to hear looped Moog through a Leslie please comment or privately email and i'll post some links here next week. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 08:35:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i08DWKx13807; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 08:32:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 08:32:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT: heavy rack support Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 08:32:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3D5EB.D474EF90" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3D5EB.D474EF90 Content-Type: text/plain These hold racks pretty good. They look nice too: http://tinyurl.com/2ede5 -DM >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Justin Fobes [mailto:JustinFobes@JustinFobesMusic.com] >>Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 4:24 PM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Re: OT: heavy rack support >> >>Daryl, >> >>Yes you should be concerned! >> >>There should be rear mounting brackets attatched to the >>heavier pieces, if not, contact your case Manufacturer for >>the supports. >> >>Probably not much help, but hey, you get what you pay for! >> >>-Justin >>http://www.JustinFobesMusic.com >> >> >>Daryl wrote: >>> >>> I just bought a 16-space shockmount rack for my studio equipment. >>> There's some fairly heavy gear I'm going to want in there, and it's >>> going to be chock-full, so I'm concerned about all the gear hanging >>> from the front rails. The rack has rear rails too, so I'd think I >>> could find some supports that would connect between the two to >>> distribute the weight. Should I be concerned? Anyone run >>into this and find a solution? >>> >>> Daryl Shawn >>> highhorse@mhorse.com >>> >>> >> >> >> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3D5EB.D474EF90 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: OT: heavy rack support

These hold racks pretty good. They look nice = too:

http://tinyurl.com/2ede5

-DM

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Justin Fobes [mailto:JustinFobes@Just= inFobesMusic.com]
>>Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 4:24 = PM
>>To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>Subject: Re: OT: heavy rack support
>>
>>Daryl,
>>
>>Yes you should be concerned!
>>
>>There should be rear mounting brackets = attatched to the
>>heavier pieces, if not, contact your case = Manufacturer for
>>the supports.
>>
>>Probably not much help, but hey, you get = what you pay for!
>>
>>-Justin
>>http://www.JustinFobesMusic.com
>>
>>
>>Daryl wrote:
>>>
>>> I just bought a 16-space shockmount = rack for my studio equipment.
>>> There's some fairly heavy gear I'm = going to want in there, and it's
>>> going to be chock-full, so I'm = concerned about all the gear hanging
>>> from the front rails. The rack = has rear rails too, so I'd think I
>>> could find some supports that would = connect between the two to
>>> distribute the weight. Should I = be concerned? Anyone run
>>into this and find a solution?
>>>
>>> Daryl Shawn
>>> highhorse@mhorse.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>

------_=_NextPart_001_01C3D5EB.D474EF90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 12:06:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i08H4o719247; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:04:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:04:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 12:01:52 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: King crimson stuff To: "L. Angulo" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <024f01c3d609$a5ac7b60$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20040107115139.34294.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7Ao6VD.A.hsE.y2Y__@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > So a question for you K.C. freaks: id like links or > info to the short 5/8 looped interlocking stuff they > are doing and also what the hell is adrian using to > get those ultra high pitched distorted sounds on solos > like elephant talk,neurotica or neil jack and me? Is > that a guitar or a synth? Re. "5/8 looped interlocking stuff." I've seen transcriptions somewhere of "Discipline" if you want to get their exact notes. Perhaps easier is to actually experience the concept with a fellow guitarist: Guitar One plays, ferexample, an A minor pentatonic scale, even eighth notes, from low A up to G (A-C-D-E-G). Guitar Two plays *almost* the exact same line with one extra note (A-C-D-E-D-G). The two "loops" go in and out of phase - six reps of the 5/8 line and five reps of the 6/8 line equals one complete cycle of the pattern. Once you dig the concept *and can actually do it on your chosen musical instrument with a fellow musician* you can expand and expand. Re. Belew's high squeals. String held against polepiece of neck or middle pickup while using bridge pickup for signal. And/or microphonic feedback from pickups. And/or the unique warble of the Roland JC-120 amp in Chorus mode. And/or the pull-neck-backwards-until-strings-fret-out-against-fretboard technique. I've seen Ade several times crouch near the JC-120 and get different notes by holding his guitar at different angles. Important again: dig the concept, not the color of the fluff on his stomp box. All this stuff can be done with a ProCo Rat and a Boss Chorus pedal if you want. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 12:34:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i08HWC323158; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:32:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:32:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FFD928E.9000909@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 09:25:34 -0800 From: Daryl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: heavy rack support References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000807010909000307060909" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000807010909000307060909 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the various advices. SKB doesn't stock any supports, but I may try the homebrew L-bracket trick. Funny, I think I've seen Dan's suggestion in use before, but I've never been able to find one to fit MY rack... Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com > These hold racks pretty good. They look nice too: > > http://tinyurl.com/2ede5 > > -DM > --------------000807010909000307060909 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Thanks for the various advices. SKB doesn't stock any supports, but I may try the homebrew L-bracket trick.

Funny, I think I've seen Dan's suggestion in use before, but I've never been able to find one to fit MY rack...

Daryl Shawn
highhorse@mhorse.com

RE: OT: heavy rack support
These hold racks pretty good. They look nice too:

http://tinyurl.com/2ede5

-DM

--------------000807010909000307060909-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 12:37:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i08HXd523395; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:33:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:33:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FFD829E.6070607@unguitar.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 17:17:34 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: edp midi sync out Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi everybody, I see my post regarding the strange behaviour of a Fireworx slave to Edp's midi sync passed with no interest, but I need to make some light over the following: Edp Sync=Out Edp Midi out goes into Fireworx midi in Fireworx set to respond midi tempo from Edp's midi channel. Everything goes ok. Now a loop is going, Fireworx is in sync. Whenever I touch any button (multiply, reverse, overdub, mute...) on the efc7, I see the Fireworx panel receives each time a new midi tempo order (which is still the same originally received at the setting of the loop), this thing is a bit annoying as the Fireworx has a sort of "stop and go" with the effects which are following its midi sync. I also suspect this is the cause of the freezing of the Fireworx, after a while. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 12:42:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i08HbYj24232; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:37:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:37:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <56766.129.33.49.251.1073583651.squirrel@webmail.cavesofice.org> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:40:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Re: King crimson stuff From: "Steve Burnett" To: X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Reply-To: burnett@pobox.com X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <2CcOcC.A.f6F.eVZ__@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Douglas Baldwin wrote: > Re. "5/8 looped interlocking stuff." I've seen transcriptions somewhere > of "Discipline" if you want to get their exact notes. Perhaps easier is > to actually experience the concept with a fellow guitarist: > Guitar One plays, ferexample, an A minor pentatonic scale, even eighth > notes, from low A up to G (A-C-D-E-G). > Guitar Two plays *almost* the exact same line with one extra note > (A-C-D-E-D-G). The two "loops" go in and out of phase - six reps of the > 5/8 line and five reps of the 6/8 line equals one complete cycle of the > pattern. Once you dig the concept *and can actually do it on your chosen > musical instrument with a fellow musician* you can expand and expand. I do a simple but similar thing solo on Chapman Stick. I find, say, A, B, C in the bass with my left hand and A, B, C an octave up with the right hand. Then I play whole notes (4-count) of A-B-C-A-B-C with one hand versus 3 quarter-notes each of A-B-C-B with the other hand. I found my looping gear extremely helpful in starting how to do this, or in speeding up: loop one side, play the other side versus the loop, and "ghost" note play the loop until I could turn off the loop and play both patterns at tempo live. Steve Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 12:52:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i08HnKw27875; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:49:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:49:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: edp midi sync out Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:49:16 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: edp midi sync out Thread-Index: AcPWDZTvmvPvFCorRuWnSuiybEZuQgAAWE+A From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2004 17:49:16.0199 (UTC) FILETIME=[BBE95370:01C3D60F] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i08HnIk27839 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well ... I can't speak for anyone else but it's probably not so much that your post passed without interest as much is I simply had no answer for you whatsoever. I do actually use MIDI tempo and sync but I go out to a drum machine. So if the EDP does resend tempo messages when you hit the buttons on the EFC7, I would have never noticed. For starters, you need to find out if, indeed, the EDP does send out tempo messages whenever you hit a button. That's a question best directed to Kim. Also, if memory serves me correctly, those messages go out on all channels so you might try setting the TC units MIDI receive channel to be different than the channel the EDP is receiving/sending on (that is, assuming I'm right about that and that you're not already doing so). Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: Luca Formentini [mailto:luca@unguitar.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 11:18 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: edp midi sync out > > Hi everybody, > I see my post regarding the strange behaviour of a Fireworx slave to > Edp's midi sync passed with no interest, but I need to make some light > over the following: > Edp Sync=Out > Edp Midi out goes into Fireworx midi in > Fireworx set to respond midi tempo from Edp's midi channel. > Everything goes ok. > Now a loop is going, Fireworx is in sync. > Whenever I touch any button (multiply, reverse, overdub, mute...) on the > efc7, I see the Fireworx panel receives each time a new midi tempo order > (which is still the same originally received at the setting of the > loop), this thing is a bit annoying as the Fireworx has a sort of "stop > and go" with the effects which are following its midi sync. > I also suspect this is the cause of the freezing of the Fireworx, after > a while. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > Luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 13:43:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i08Ie8N04731; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:40:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:40:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen " To: Subject: RE: EDP Not Working Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:40:12 -0000 Message-ID: <002b01c3d616$da23a6e0$0100a8c0@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <2APaTD.A.xJB.IQa__@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try re-set; boot-up with the parameters button held in and wait until it's completed the boot cycle. Then turn off/on again and see if that helped. Beige or blackface model? -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Wiley [mailto:matthewf5@hotmail.com] Sent: 08 January 2004 03:29 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP Not Working Turned the EDP on and the loop 4 screen came up and everything was normal, input was getting signal. the front panel buttons won't work when you scroll through the functions, nothing comes up in P1...P2....the front is lit up except for overdub and undo they aren't lit at all. any ideas? thanks -matt _________________________________________________________________ Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work - and yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 13:44:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i08If4v04873; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:41:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:41:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c3d616$d0311cd0$0100a8c0@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <3FFD829E.6070607@unguitar.com> Subject: Re: edp midi sync out Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 19:39:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey uca what is the tempo source in the fireworks ? be sure to set it to midi clock and _not_ to tap tempo as it seems (you say fw set to edp channel BUT midi clock is NOT channel relevant) so you probably better set it on another channel...;=) btw I dont have a fw but a GForce and I'm guessing have a nice day Claude I'll be back to you very soon concerning the rivolta gig.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luca Formentini" To: Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 5:17 PM Subject: edp midi sync out > Hi everybody, > I see my post regarding the strange behaviour of a Fireworx slave to > Edp's midi sync passed with no interest, but I need to make some light > over the following: > Edp Sync=Out > Edp Midi out goes into Fireworx midi in > Fireworx set to respond midi tempo from Edp's midi channel. > Everything goes ok. > Now a loop is going, Fireworx is in sync. > Whenever I touch any button (multiply, reverse, overdub, mute...) on the > efc7, I see the Fireworx panel receives each time a new midi tempo order > (which is still the same originally received at the setting of the > loop), this thing is a bit annoying as the Fireworx has a sort of "stop > and go" with the effects which are following its midi sync. > I also suspect this is the cause of the freezing of the Fireworx, after > a while. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > Luca > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 13:44:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i08IbUs04387; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:37:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:37:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen " To: Subject: RE: used edp - strange humming Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:37:27 -0000 Message-ID: <002a01c3d616$7b038a40$0100a8c0@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <3FFCEA10.90201@iinet.net.au> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yup, they all have this mechanical hum to a degree and it's just the laminations in the mains transformer vibrating. I've never had a unit fail due to the mains transformer so it is nothing to worry about. Most units have some foam tape on the top of the transformer so it gets 'sandwiched' by the lid and reduces the vibration to a level that is not noticed. Some earlier units did not have the foam tape fitted. You can quite easily fit this yourself with some suitable sticky-backed foam about 2-3mm thick. Hope this puts your mind at ease; go buy this bargain EDP! Andy, EDP Production Manager. -----Original Message----- From: mjnoble [mailto:not8ohm@iinet.net.au] Sent: 08 January 2004 05:27 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: used edp - strange humming Hi folks, An aquaitance of mine happened to have a an edp just sitting around which was rescued from a tech disposal at the music store he works at (yes, it was going to be thrown out!). Thing is, he is prepared to sell it to me at a potentially unbeatable price. Are there any caveats to look for when buying a used edp. Its maxed out in memory already, has no footpedal, but appears to be working perfectly except for a loud electromechanical sounding humming coming from the lid near the power supply. It only hums when the lid is on the unit however - without the lid it seems like a perfectly operational edp. Anybody out there have any ideas what this humming might be? Do all edps hum like this? I wouldn't want to buy the unit and have it die on me straight away, as getting it fixed here in Australia might not be the easiest thing. thanks in advance for any replies, Michael Noble From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 13:45:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i08Ifj104982; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:41:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:41:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen " To: Subject: RE: EDP Not Working Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:41:51 -0000 Message-ID: <002c01c3d617$1512c790$0100a8c0@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <9AB475EE-418F-11D8-A039-0003930F282A@mlswebworks.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <_Jcp7.A.tNB.pRa__@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yup, this sorts out 99% of misbehaving EDPs. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Firman [mailto:maf@mlswebworks.com] Sent: 08 January 2004 04:03 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Not Working Try opening it up and re-seating the memory. When the memory or the EPROMs wiggle out of their sockets (and they do - particularly if you tote the thing around) all sorts of strange behavior ensues. On Jan 7, 2004, at 9:29 PM, Matthew Wiley wrote: > Turned the EDP on and the loop 4 screen came up and everything was > normal, input was getting signal. the front panel buttons won't work > when you scroll through the functions, nothing comes up in > P1...P2....the front is lit up except for overdub and undo they aren't > lit at all. any ideas? > > thanks > -matt > > _________________________________________________________________ > Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work - > and yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx > > -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 13:52:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i08ImMU06104; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:48:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:48:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen " To: Subject: RE: OT: heavy rack support Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:48:26 -0000 Message-ID: <002d01c3d618$01ad0020$0100a8c0@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <1359.172.155.24.151.1073510624.squirrel@172.155.24.151> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Indeed; I have seen more than my fair share of totally bent rack-ears if heavy gear is not rear-supported. In extreme cases, this can bust PCBs that are attached to the front panels of some units. If this is not possible, make sure the rack is full with the heaviest units at the bottom. If the rack is strong enough the whole lot sandwiches together. For those paying particularly close attention, 'sandwich' is the word for today. -----Original Message----- From: Justin Fobes [mailto:JustinFobes@JustinFobesMusic.com] Sent: 07 January 2004 21:24 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: heavy rack support Daryl, Yes you should be concerned! There should be rear mounting brackets attatched to the heavier pieces, if not, contact your case Manufacturer for the supports. Probably not much help, but hey, you get what you pay for! -Justin http://www.JustinFobesMusic.com Daryl wrote: > > I just bought a 16-space shockmount rack for my studio equipment. > There's some fairly heavy gear I'm going to want in there, and it's > going to be chock-full, so I'm concerned about all the gear hanging from > the front rails. The rack has rear rails too, so I'd think I could find > some supports that would connect between the two to distribute the > weight. Should I be concerned? Anyone run into this and find a solution? > > Daryl Shawn > highhorse@mhorse.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 13:57:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i08Ir8J07091; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:53:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:53:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <001501c3d618$1433bcc0$8461fe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: Subject: EDP not working Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 07:41:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0073_01C3D5BA.CC84E280" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C3D5BA.CC84E280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi folks, in fact the sockets for the memory are probably the tackiest quality = I=B4ve ever seen. When my friend Frank - who is a noted computer tech - = replaced the original 4 mb with 16 mb SIMMs, he didn=B4t manage to get = the original components out of their sockets. Using more force after = tender and careful pulling resulted in contact brackets from the sockets = getting loose. We were in for a sweat when we fixed this by reseating = the contacts and prayed it would work after that. Luckily it did but... = the other EDP had exactly the same problem. Luckily I knew what was = about to happen. Upgrading the Jam Man was a good deal easier. Stephen / [=B4ramp] ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Michael Firman" To: Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 5:03 AM Subject: Re: EDP Not Working >=20 > Try opening it up and re-seating the memory. When the memory or the=20 > EPROMs wiggle > out of their sockets (and they do - particularly if you tote the thing = > around) all sorts of > strange behavior ensues. >=20 > On Jan 7, 2004, at 9:29 PM, Matthew Wiley wrote: >=20 > > Turned the EDP on and the loop 4 screen came up and everything was=20 > > normal, input was getting signal. the front panel buttons won't = work=20 > > when you scroll through the functions, nothing comes up in=20 > > P1...P2....the front is lit up except for overdub and undo they = aren't=20 > > lit at all. any ideas? > > > > thanks > > -matt > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work - = > > and yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx > > > > > -- > | Michael A. Firman > | maf@mlswebworks.com > | http://www.mlswebworks.com >=20 "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re a = plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C3D5BA.CC84E280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

hi folks,

in fact the sockets for the memory are probably the tackiest = quality I=B4ve=20 ever seen. When my friend Frank - who is a noted computer tech - = replaced=20 the original 4 mb with 16 mb SIMMs, he didn=B4t manage to get the = original=20 components out of their sockets. Using more force after tender and = careful=20 pulling resulted in contact brackets from the sockets getting loose. We = were in=20 for a sweat when we fixed this by reseating the contacts and prayed = it=20 would work after that. Luckily it did but... the other EDP had exactly = the same=20 problem. Luckily I knew what was about to happen.

Upgrading the Jam Man was a good deal easier.

Stephen / [=B4ramp]

----- Original Message -----=20

From: "Michael Firman" <maf@mlswebworks.com>

To: <Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com>

Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 5:03 AM

Subject: Re: EDP Not Working

>
> Try opening it up and re-seating the = memory. When=20 the memory or the
> EPROMs wiggle
> out of their sockets = (and they=20 do - particularly if you tote the thing
> around) all sorts = of
>=20 strange behavior ensues.
>
> On Jan 7, 2004, at 9:29 PM, = Matthew=20 Wiley wrote:
>
> > Turned the EDP on and the loop 4 = screen came=20 up and everything was
> > normal, input was getting = signal. the=20 front panel buttons won't work
> > when you scroll through the = functions, nothing comes up in
> > P1...P2....the front is lit = up=20 except for overdub and undo they aren't
> > lit at all. = any=20 ideas?
> >
> > thanks
> > -matt
> = >
>=20 > = _________________________________________________________________
>= =20 > Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work = - =20
> > and yourself. http://special.msn.= com/msnbc/workingmom.armx
>=20 >
> >
> --
> | Michael A. Firman
> | maf@mlswebworks.com
> | http://www.mlswebworks.com
>= ;=20

"Human beings are a disease, the cancer = of this=20 planet, you=B4re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith /=20 Matrix)

Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at = www.doombient.com

------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C3D5BA.CC84E280-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 13:59:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i08IrB107133; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:53:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:53:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <001601c3d618$157a4680$8461fe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: Subject: New track online Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 07:43:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007B_01C3D5BB.28062D80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <5S1lxB.A.SvB.Wca__@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01C3D5BB.28062D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi folks, we put a snippet from our latest release "doombient.one -- verbrannte = erde" on our website www.doombient.com. Go to the outlets section, click = on doombient.one and then go to the speaker icon. There=B4s a lot of = heavy looping (EDPs and Jammen) and processing (Repeater) plus loads of = vintage analog and digital gear. Happy gearspotting. Enjoy, Stephen. "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re a = plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01C3D5BB.28062D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi folks,

we put a snippet from our latest = release=20 "doombient.one -- verbrannte erde" on our website www.doombient.com. Go to the = outlets=20 section, click on doombient.one and then go to the speaker = icon. There=B4s a=20 lot of heavy looping (EDPs and Jammen) and processing (Repeater) = plus loads=20 of vintage analog and digital gear. Happy gearspotting. = Enjoy,

Stephen.

"Human beings are a disease, the cancer = of this=20 planet, you=B4re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith /=20 Matrix)

Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at = www.doombient.com

------=_NextPart_000_007B_01C3D5BB.28062D80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 14:16:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i08JDSt13174; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 14:13:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 14:13:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen " To: Subject: RE: EDP not working Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 19:13:33 -0000 Message-ID: <003301c3d61b$82d40560$0100a8c0@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01C3D61B.82D40560" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <001501c3d618$1433bcc0$8461fe91@synthhost> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C3D61B.82D40560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have to admit that the quality of the SIMM sockets in some EDPs is questionable and in recent years this is due to the difficulty in getting hold of good ones. Most manufacturers stopped making them years ago so you have to search the grey-market for old stock. We actually binned loads of them over the years as returning them was not usually an option. I have always tried to use the best we could get, with nice shiny contacts and good clamps but this only covers the last 5 years production; I can=92t comment on pre my involvement, (which may cover = your units as most of the ones we made had 16MB as sandwich)=20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: wavecomputer360 [mailto:wavecomputer360@gmx.de]=20 Sent: 08 January 2004 06:41 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP not working =20 hi folks, =20 in fact the sockets for the memory are probably the tackiest quality I=B4ve ever seen. When my friend Frank - who is a noted computer tech - replaced the original 4 mb with 16 mb SIMMs, he didn=B4t manage to get = the original components out of their sockets. Using more force after tender and careful pulling resulted in contact brackets from the sockets getting loose. We were in for a sweat when we fixed this by reseating the contacts and prayed it would work after that. Luckily it did but... the other EDP had exactly the same problem. Luckily I knew what was about to happen. =20 Upgrading the Jam Man was a good deal easier. =20 Stephen / [=B4ramp] =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Michael Firman" To: Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 5:03 AM Subject: Re: EDP Not Working =20 >=20 > Try opening it up and re-seating the memory. When the memory or the=20 > EPROMs wiggle > out of their sockets (and they do - particularly if you tote the thing > around) all sorts of > strange behavior ensues. >=20 > On Jan 7, 2004, at 9:29 PM, Matthew Wiley wrote: >=20 > > Turned the EDP on and the loop 4 screen came up and everything was=20 > > normal, input was getting signal. the front panel buttons won't work=20 > > when you scroll through the functions, nothing comes up in=20 > > P1...P2....the front is lit up except for overdub and undo they aren't=20 > > lit at all. any ideas? > > > > thanks > > -matt > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work - > > and yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx > > > > > -- > | Michael A. Firman > | maf@mlswebworks.com > | http://www.mlswebworks.com >=20 =20 =20 "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re a = plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) =20 Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C3D61B.82D40560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have to admit that the quality of = the SIMM sockets in some EDPs is questionable and in recent years this is = due to the difficulty in getting hold of good ones. Most manufacturers stopped = making them years ago so you have to search the grey-market for old stock. We = actually binned loads of them over the years as returning them was not usually an option. I have always tried to use the best we could get, with nice = shiny contacts and good clamps but this only covers the last 5 years = production; I can’t comment on pre my involvement, (which may cover your units = as most of the ones we made had 16MB as sandwich)

-----Original = Message-----
From: wavecomputer360 [mailto:wavecomputer360@gmx.de]
Sent: 08 January 2004 = 06:41
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: EDP not = working

hi = folks,

in fact the sockets for the = memory are probably the tackiest quality I=B4ve ever seen. When my friend Frank = - who is a noted computer tech - replaced the original 4 mb with 16 mb = SIMMs, he didn=B4t manage to get the original components out of their sockets. = Using more force after tender and careful pulling resulted in contact brackets from = the sockets getting loose. We were in for a sweat when we fixed this by = reseating the contacts and prayed it would work after that. Luckily it did = but... the other EDP had exactly the same problem. Luckily I knew what was = about to happen.

Upgrading the Jam Man was a = good deal easier.

Stephen / = [=B4ramp]

----- Original Message = -----

From: "Michael = Firman" <maf@mlswebworks.com>

To: <Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com>

Sent: Thursday, January 08, = 2004 5:03 AM

Subject: Re: EDP Not = Working

>
> Try opening it up and re-seating the memory. When the memory or the =
> EPROMs wiggle
> out of their sockets (and they do - particularly if you tote the = thing
> around) all sorts of
> strange behavior ensues.
>
> On Jan 7, 2004, at 9:29 PM, Matthew Wiley wrote:
>
> > Turned the EDP on and the loop 4 screen came up and everything = was
> > normal, input was getting signal. the front panel = buttons won't work
> > when you scroll through the functions, nothing comes up in =
> > P1...P2....the front is lit up except for overdub and undo = they aren't
> > lit at all. any ideas?
> >
> > thanks
> > -matt
> >
> > = _________________________________________________________________
> > Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, = work -
> > and yourself. http://special.msn.= com/msnbc/workingmom.armx
> >
> >
> --
> | Michael A. Firman
> | maf@mlswebworks.com
> | http://www.mlswebworks.com
>

"Human beings are a = disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re a plague. And we are the cure." = (Agent Smith / Matrix)

Visit the official = [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com

------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C3D61B.82D40560-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 14:37:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i08JX5415794; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 14:33:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 14:33:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FFD9E9D.5070802@unguitar.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 19:17:01 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: edp midi sync out References: <3FFD829E.6070607@unguitar.com> <000d01c3d616$d0311cd0$0100a8c0@mini> In-Reply-To: <000d01c3d616$d0311cd0$0100a8c0@mini> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com MY DEAR GENIOUS FRIEND >>>> THAT WAS IT !!!!!!! it was set to receive note ON/OFF.... Don't know how it went there as it has been fully working for months..... maybe my cats ??? 1 wine & 1 Garda Lake's Extravirgin Olive oil cases are waiting for you !!!! Thanks a lot, Luca Claude Voit wrote: >hey uca >what is the tempo source in the fireworks ? >be sure to set it to midi clock and _not_ to tap tempo as it seems (you say >fw set to edp channel BUT midi clock is NOT channel relevant) >so you probably better set it on another channel...;=) >btw I dont have a fw but a GForce and I'm guessing > >have a nice day > >Claude > >I'll be back to you very soon concerning the rivolta gig.... > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Luca Formentini" >To: >Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 5:17 PM >Subject: edp midi sync out > > > > >>Hi everybody, >>I see my post regarding the strange behaviour of a Fireworx slave to >>Edp's midi sync passed with no interest, but I need to make some light >>over the following: >>Edp Sync=Out >>Edp Midi out goes into Fireworx midi in >>Fireworx set to respond midi tempo from Edp's midi channel. >>Everything goes ok. >>Now a loop is going, Fireworx is in sync. >>Whenever I touch any button (multiply, reverse, overdub, mute...) on the >>efc7, I see the Fireworx panel receives each time a new midi tempo order >>(which is still the same originally received at the setting of the >>loop), this thing is a bit annoying as the Fireworx has a sort of "stop >>and go" with the effects which are following its midi sync. >>I also suspect this is the cause of the freezing of the Fireworx, after >>a while. >> >>Any help would be greatly appreciated. >>Luca >> >> >> >> > > >. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 15:21:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i08KH1B22637; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 15:17:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 15:17:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.162.163.19] X-Originating-Email: [matthewf5@hotmail.com] X-Sender: matthewf5@hotmail.com From: "Matthew Wiley" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP Not Working Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 14:16:54 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2004 20:16:54.0494 (UTC) FILETIME=[5BDDDFE0:01C3D624] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the help everyone, i'll try these ASAP and let you know. i haven't had a chance yet. thanks -matt >From: "Andy Ewen " >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: RE: EDP Not Working >Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:41:51 -0000 > >Yup, this sorts out 99% of misbehaving EDPs. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Michael Firman [mailto:maf@mlswebworks.com] >Sent: 08 January 2004 04:03 >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: EDP Not Working > > >Try opening it up and re-seating the memory. When the memory or the >EPROMs wiggle >out of their sockets (and they do - particularly if you tote the thing >around) all sorts of >strange behavior ensues. > >On Jan 7, 2004, at 9:29 PM, Matthew Wiley wrote: > > > Turned the EDP on and the loop 4 screen came up and everything was > > normal, input was getting signal. the front panel buttons won't work > > when you scroll through the functions, nothing comes up in > > P1...P2....the front is lit up except for overdub and undo they aren't > > > lit at all. any ideas? > > > > thanks > > -matt > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work - > > and yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx > > > > >-- >| Michael A. Firman >| maf@mlswebworks.com >| http://www.mlswebworks.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ Tired of slow downloads? Compare online deals from your local high-speed providers now. https://broadband.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 15:27:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i08KNVP23503; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 15:23:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 15:23:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.162.163.19] X-Originating-Email: [matthewf5@hotmail.com] X-Sender: matthewf5@hotmail.com From: "Matthew Wiley" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FCB 1010 For Sale + Extras Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 14:23:25 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2004 20:23:25.0373 (UTC) FILETIME=[44D946D0:01C3D625] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a new in the box Behringer FCB 1010 never used/programmed w/the eprom upgrade. i will throw in a Electroharmonix gig/pedal bag that fits the FCB 1010 nice and snug. A midi cable, blue and extra literature about setting up w/the Repeater. Shipped to you for: $125 -matt _________________________________________________________________ Have fun customizing MSN Messenger � learn how here! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_customize From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 16:07:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i08L4FJ30694; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 16:04:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 16:04:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008101c3d62b$61e6a870$716f4d0c@rockstaryu0fkj> From: "redrum123" To: References: <001501c3d618$1433bcc0$8461fe91@synthhost> Subject: EDP Memory socket broken? Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 16:07:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This little anecdote brings up a problem I've had (used to bother me a lot more, now just an annoyance). My second memory slot seems to have failed. I have an old whiteface EDP i picked up used, with full upgrades, and after reseating the chips once, I noticed that sometimes the loop would eventually (and suddenly) become white noise. Hitting undo a bunch sometimes fixed this, sometimes. I fixed the problem by taking out one of the memory sticks, and have since ran with only half the max memory. Swapping the memory sticks has shown that the problem is not with the memory itself, so i assume the second memory slot is busted. Any reports of this happening for anyone else? Anything I overlooked, or any simple solution? If I ever wanted this repaired, would it be possible? Who would I contact? -gsc. ----- Original Message ----- From: wavecomputer360 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 1:41 AM Subject: EDP not working hi folks, in fact the sockets for the memory are probably the tackiest quality I�ve ever seen. When my friend Frank - who is a noted computer tech - replaced the original 4 mb with 16 mb SIMMs, he didn�t manage to get the original components out of their sockets. Using more force after tender and careful pulling resulted in contact brackets from the sockets getting loose. We were in for a sweat when we fixed this by reseating the contacts and prayed it would work after that. Luckily it did but... the other EDP had exactly the same problem. Luckily I knew what was about to happen. Upgrading the Jam Man was a good deal easier. Stephen / [�ramp] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 16:31:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i08LQdi01357; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 16:26:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 16:26:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008e01c3d62e$1f260190$0601a8c0@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: References: <200401081916.i08JGww13589@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Official Loopers Meeting at NAMM Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:26:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Realizing how difficult it ever is to get a consensus here at Loopers Delight (the cause for most or this wonderful communitie's charm, I think), I e-mailed a suggestion of a meeting place to Ted Killian (who seems to me to be the most sensible and well thought person I know at L.D.) and he agreed for the following reasons: To wit, I would like to propose a formal LOOPERS LUNCHEON at NAMM at 12 NOON at the Starr Labs (#1006, Hall E) Where fellow list member Gary Lehman will be performing We can all round up and make a quick consensus about where to go to grab a bite to eat (probably a big table at the lunch place at NAMM or one of the nearby Hotel restaurants for sake of ease of getting back to the show). Here are Ted's most excellent reasons for this spot and a description of how to get there: "This is probably the easiest spot for folks to find too. Hall E is the furthest left hall (as seen when facing the convention at the main entrance) and on the lower level (down the escalators). And, booth #1006 will be one of the first ones you come to on the furthest left side of the that room too. Hall E is always a lot of fun anyway. That's where all of the freaky new ideas pop up from all of the garage/basement/attic inventors. Sometimes you run into the most interesting new concepts there. Then again some of the ideas are pretty pathetic too. Heheheh. It's also a little quieter that some of the other halls . . . not always but usually." Sound like a plan, gang? We'll see you all there unless there are strenuous objections (speak now or forever hold your peace). Yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 8 18:11:08 2004 Return-Path:

About AFG

The AFG (Association of Fingerstyle Guitarists) is e= ducationally oriented and dedicated to the goals of teaching, nurturing, and= promoting the art of fingerstyle guitar. This was the second time tha= t Wayne Wesley Johnson has performed at an AFG convention.

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Membership is a congenial mix o= f fingerstyle guitar enthusiasts who range from wanna-be fingerpickers, casu= al hobbyists, budding performers, to many of the most awesome fingerpickers=20= planet earth has ever known.

Even though they are not AFG memb= ers (at least not yet), AFG is also influenced by and admire the l= ikes of Jerry Reed and other exceptional fingerstyle guitarists.

The=20= legendary Merle Travis and Marcel Dadi have left indelible legacies that are= oblivious to the passage of time.

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The club came into being with its=20= very first Convention in Anaheim, CA in January 1997 featuring such artists=20= as Doyle Dykes, Muriel Anderson, Lawrence Juber, Bob Saxton, Michael O'Dorn,= Jim Nichols, and Chris Proctor.
J.D. Roberts is the club founder.
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The AFG is operated by a=20= Board of Directors -- a group of volunteers who perform the day-to-day work=20= and planning, moving toward becoming a California Nonprofit Corporation.&nbs= p; For current Board members, see http://afg.org/contacts.htm

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AFG - Association of Fingerstyle Guitarists Honarary M= ember Santa Ana, CA 2004

Guitar Nine's Top 50 Most Popular CDs Smooth Jazz / Wo= rld Category 'Hypnotic Safari' December 2003

Guitars for Life Award New York 2001

Soave Guitar Festival Plaque for promoting American Mu= sic Italy 2001

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'Entre dos Montanas' (Between Two Mountains), written=20= and performed by Wayne Wesley Johnson & occasional recording partne= r guitarist Ruben Romero, was played as part of the music progra= m in the Franklin Covey chain of stores (appx. 175 across the country) Anoth= er of Wayne's tunes, 'Un Poco de Elfida' will be part of an upcoming program= at the chain, too.

Johnson's music may also be heard on The Weather Chann= el, MUZAK, Cable/Satellite TV, WBTV's Roswell, Malcolm in the Middle, Discov= ery Channel's Outward Bound Series. His music has also been licensed to= Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation, EMusic.com, Surreal to Reel, Licens= eMusic.com, Sonic Licensing

PRESS (recent)

20th Century Guitar Magazine April and June 2003

Vintage Guitar Magazine (review) July 2003

The SantaFean Magazine July 2003

Fingerstyle Guitar Magazine t/b announced

Discography:

Flamenco Festival (Narada / Hallmark Music) WWJ=20= with Ruben Romero

Flamenco Flavors (IAGO / Talking Taco) WWJ with Ruben=20= Romero

Hypnotic Safari (Wannadu) WWJ with Ruben Romero=20=

Canciones del alma / Songs from the Soul (Wannadu)&nbs= p; WWJ with guests Nokie Edwards, Gao Hong, Tom Doyle, Mario Reynolds

For more information on Wayne Wesley Johnson visit <= /FONT>http://wannadu.com<= /FONT>, or http://www.gigmasters.com/jaz= z/waynewesleyjohnson/ or contact us at W= annadu, LLC., 7 Avenida Vista Grande #260, Santa Fe, NM 87508 505.466.8700&n= bsp; fax: 505.466.8702

-------------------------------1074715479-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 21 15:37:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0LKOrC03711; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:24:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:24:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Michael Stauffer" To: "Andrew Chaikin" , Subject: RE: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:27:11 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 In-Reply-To: <00d001c3dff7$807b5b70$12891f43@Ngaio> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I've been doing live looping with Ableton Live >onstage since early November. I'm making use >of a Windows utility called MIDI Translator, >which translates MIDI events into any sequence >of keystrokes you want. > >In Live, I've got lots of tracks' worth of buttons >(arm-disarm, trigger-launch, etc.) assigned to >unique keystrokes -- almost to the point where >I max out the 52 characters in the upper- and >lower-case alphabets! Then for each song I do, >I have an associated set of mappings in MIDI >Translator that translate the MIDI events coming >from my foot controller (Ground Control Pro) into >keystrokes. > >So, for example, in a certain song, button #1 on >my GCP feeds Live the following keystroke >sequence: "Ctrl-1 k K Z R l q a", which sets the >quantization, arms a track or two, sets the first >track to record, etc. > >It's a kludge, certainly, and not very fault-tolerant -- >when I hit the wrong button on stage, all sorts of >unintended things happen -- but it does the job. > >MIDI Translator can be found at http://www.bome.com . This looks promising, I'll try it out, though I might end up switching to a Mac laptop. Thanks! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 21 16:20:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0LLAOm11759; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:10:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:10:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005801c3e063$0ebda6c0$ab955142@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <117.2e13c0f0.2d403557@aol.com> Subject: Re: WWJ receives honorary membership in Guitar Assn. Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:10:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0055_01C3E01F.FF7D0FE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C3E01F.FF7D0FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm getting this from LD and it looks like SPAM to me. Any comments? = -Miko ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Wjguitar@aol.com=20 To: WannaduLLC@aol.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:04 PM Subject: WWJ receives honorary membership in Guitar Assn. For Immediate Release=20 Guitarist Wayne Wesley Johnson becomes honorary member in AFG January 17, 2004, Santa Fe, NM.: World class guitarist Wayne Wesley = Johnson of Santa Fe, NM was presented with honorary membership in the = Association of Fingerstyle Guitarists (AFG), this past weekend at the = Santa Ana College where the Association held their annual convention & = concert. The presentation was made to Mr. Johnson by AFG President, = Greg Atkin. Wayne was a scheduled performer at this year's convention. Wayne joins the ranks with previous honorary AFG members including = recognizable guitarists, Chet Atkins, CGP. (Chet tops everyone's list), = Richard Alcoy, Muriel Anderson, Al Bruno, Steve Trovato, Edgar Cruz, = Doyle Dykes, Tommy Emmanuel, CGP, Laurence Juber, Gary Lambert, Al = Meyers, Jim Nichols, Michael O'Dorn, Darrell Owens, George Sabolick, Bob = Saxton, SGP, Richard Smith and Guy Van Duser. About AFG The AFG (Association of Fingerstyle Guitarists) is educationally = oriented and dedicated to the goals of teaching, nurturing, and = promoting the art of fingerstyle guitar. This was the second time that = Wayne Wesley Johnson has performed at an AFG convention. =20 In pursuit of its goals, the AFG publishes a quarterly newsletter, = aptly named The Sound Hole, hosts tri-annual Fingerstyle Guitar Seminars = and an annual Convention, and sponsors numerous special performance = events featuring AFG members. Membership is a congenial mix of fingerstyle guitar enthusiasts who = range from wanna-be fingerpickers, casual hobbyists, budding performers, = to many of the most awesome fingerpickers planet earth has ever known. =20 Even though they are not AFG members (at least not yet), AFG is also = influenced by and admire the likes of Jerry Reed and other exceptional = fingerstyle guitarists. The legendary Merle Travis and Marcel Dadi have left indelible = legacies that are oblivious to the passage of time. AFG is also very proud to count some of the finest luthiers as fellow = members. Many of the world's greatest fingerstyle guitarists have = performed with guitars crafted by (alphabetically) R.C. Allen, Jim = English, and Kirk Sand. Annual Dues Annual dues are a mere $20 -- the cost of one average priced CD. The = Sound Hole as well as other mailings to announce special events is = distributed to members as part of their annual dues. Newsletter A quarterly newsletter, The Sound Hole, contains schedules of future = events, reports of recent past events, informative articles, reviews of = recordings, interviews with and stories about some our most famous and = interesting members, stories about favorite guitars, equipment reviews, = tablature, playing tips and techniques, tricks, riffs, and much more. Fingerstyle Guitar Seminars These get-togethers are part tutorial, part performance, and all fun. = They are held 5 or six times per year on Saturdays from 1:00 PM to 6:00 = PM. A nominal fee, currently $15, is charged to defray the cost of the = event. =20 Annual Convention AFG's biggest and grandest scheduled event is the Annual Convention. = Currently held in Santa Ana, the 2-day convention consists of a series = of performances by an awesome variety of some of the greatest = fingerpickers around.=20 History The club came into being with its very first Convention in Anaheim, CA = in January 1997 featuring such artists as Doyle Dykes, Muriel Anderson, = Lawrence Juber, Bob Saxton, Michael O'Dorn, Jim Nichols, and Chris = Proctor. J.D. Roberts is the club founder. Many door prizes have been donated by various music stores and = suppliers. Guitars has been the doorprize at each convention. Organization The AFG is operated by a Board of Directors -- a group of volunteers = who perform the day-to-day work and planning, moving toward becoming a = California Nonprofit Corporation. For current Board members, see = http://afg.org/contacts.htm For more information on Association of Fingerstyle Guitarists visit http://afg.org or write...Association of Fingerstyle Guitarists, = P.O. Box 223 , Wildomar, CA 92595, USA About Wayne Wesley Johnson 'Wayne Wesley Johnson is a fine guitarist & a fine drummer, too!'=20 (Living legendary guitarist Les Paul at the Iridium, NYC)=20 Internationally recognized, this award winning guitarist performs on = acoustic, electric, nylon & steel string guitars and guitar synthesizer = in a variety of musical styles and genres. A pioneer of the 'New Sound = of Santa Fe' tm and 'Jazzamenco' tm., the artist performs in = thumbpicking, fingerstyle, and flatpicking styles...playing jazz, world, = new age, latin & rumba flamenca and with classical techniques.=20 This charismatic performer has shared the stage with some of the = world's finest guitarists, too... Formerly a drummer and touring = companion with legendary guitarist's Les Paul, and Nokie Edwards (The = Ventures), Wayne has also shared the stage with Mason Williams, George = Benson, Bucky Pizzarelli, BB King, Scotty Moore, Howard Roberts, Larry = Carlton, Chet Atkins, Thom Bresh (Son of the legendary guitarist Merle = Travis), Bobby Saxton, Bobby Gibson, Tom Doyle, Tommy Emmanuel, Seymour = Duncan, Stephen Bennett, Stephen King, Richard Smith, Anthony Smith, Tim = Farrell, Edgar Cruz, Lou Pallo *The Les Paul Trio), John 'Nightwolf' = Nelson, Jon Paris, and Santa Fe guitarists, Ruben Romero, Antonio = Mendoza, Roberto Gonzales, and more.=20 Wayne is a regular annual performer at the Chet Atkins Appreciation = Society, Nokie Festival and on occasion at the Guitars for life benefit = concerts.=20 In Santa Fe, Wayne can most often be seen performing with = Spanish/classical guitarist Ruben Romero at the Eldorado Hotel on = Saturday evenings between 8:30-11:30. Wayne now spends some of his time = touring, performing, songwriting, recording and producing music for his = own artist owned Wannadu record label. A former corporate CEO, this = artist knows the importance of 'professionalism' in performance and = appearance and how to provide for client satisfaction. With a collection = of guitars to choose from and complimentary amplification, the artist = selects his gear, attire and tune selection to suit any size venue and = any type of occasion.=20 WWJ performs for small venues, holiday & private parties, weddings, = trade shows, art gallery openings, resorts & hotel lounges and = restaurants, Bar Mitzvah, Bat Mitzvah, Anniversaries, cruises, business = banquets, opening sessions, festivals, fairs, corporate conventions, = political events, shows, & concerts.=20 Solo performances include solo guitar, but, are sometimes augmented = with guitar synthesizer or a technique called 'looping' which permits = the artist to record on the fly and accompany himself when no other = musicians are available, and the sometimes use of TV Mixes or 'backing = tracks' from Wayne's latest recordings, promising the audience a great = musical experience.=20 When appropriate, Wayne shares information about his instruments and = playing styles with his audience, further enhancing the audiences = participation and enjoyment.=20 Budget permitting, Wayne Wesley Johnson may be accompanied by his = 'JAZZAMENCO' tm band.=20 The artist is available for both local, national and international = performances. WWJ has performed in China, Israel, Europe, Scandanavia, = South America, and various locations throughout the U.S. and Canada, and = Mexico.=20 WWJ the recording artist and Producer=20 Wayne is a successful recording artist & producer with over 80,000 CDs = having been sold in just the past few years. A member of BMI, his music = has been licensed and airs on Muzak, Dish Network, and currently on The = Weather Channel, WBTV's Roswell, and the Discovery Channel's Outward = Bound series on a regular basis, and is now being considered for several = film soundtracks. He has recorded with Ruben Romero, Nokie Edwards, Tom = Doyle, Gao Hong, Consuelo Luz, Thom Bresh (Merle Travis' son), Lou Pallo = (Les Paul trio), Anthony Smith, Tim Farrell, Edgar Cruz, and others. =20 Recent Awards & Honors:=20 AFG - Association of Fingerstyle Guitarists Honarary Member Santa Ana, = CA 2004=20 Guitar Nine's Top 50 Most Popular CDs Smooth Jazz / World Category = 'Hypnotic Safari' December 2003=20 Guitars for Life Award New York 2001=20 Soave Guitar Festival Plaque for promoting American Music Italy 2001=20 John Lennon Songwriters Contest =E2=80=9CBaile de la paloma=E2=80=9D = Dance Category / Runner Up Winner 1999=20 Recent Concert Performances & Workshops:=20 AFG Association of Fingerstyle Guitarists Santa Ana, California,=20 CAAS Chet Atkins Appreciation Society Nashville, TN,=20 Nokie Festival Eugene, OR,=20 Chamizal Festival El Paso, Texas,=20 Chimayo Museum Chimayo, New Mexico,=20 Keystone Pavillion Keystone, Colorado,=20 'Jazzamenco' Concerts Radisson Santa Fe Maria Benitez Cabaret Theater = Santa Fe, NM (SOLD OUT)=20 Recent Radio, TV, & Music Licensing=20 'Entre dos Montanas' (Between Two Mountains), written and performed by = Wayne Wesley Johnson & occasional recording partner guitarist Ruben = Romero, was played as part of the music program in the Franklin Covey = chain of stores (appx. 175 across the country) Another of Wayne's tunes, = 'Un Poco de Elfida' will be part of an upcoming program at the chain, = too.=20 Johnson's music may also be heard on The Weather Channel, MUZAK, = Cable/Satellite TV, WBTV's Roswell, Malcolm in the Middle, Discovery = Channel's Outward Bound Series. His music has also been licensed to = Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation, EMusic.com, Surreal to Reel, = LicenseMusic.com, Sonic Licensing=20 PRESS (recent)=20 20th Century Guitar Magazine April and June 2003=20 Vintage Guitar Magazine (review) July 2003=20 The SantaFean Magazine July 2003=20 Fingerstyle Guitar Magazine t/b announced=20 Discography:=20 Flamenco Festival (Narada / Hallmark Music) WWJ with Ruben Romero =20 Flamenco Flavors (IAGO / Talking Taco) WWJ with Ruben Romero=20 Hypnotic Safari (Wannadu) WWJ with Ruben Romero=20 Canciones del alma / Songs from the Soul (Wannadu) WWJ with guests = Nokie Edwards, Gao Hong, Tom Doyle, Mario Reynolds=20 For more information on Wayne Wesley Johnson visit http://wannadu.com, = or http://www.gigmasters.com/jazz/waynewesleyjohnson/ or contact us at = Wannadu, LLC., 7 Avenida Vista Grande #260, Santa Fe, NM 87508 = 505.466.8700 fax: 505.466.8702 ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C3E01F.FF7D0FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
I'm getting this from LD and it looks like SPAM to = me. Any=20 comments? -Miko

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Wjguitar@aol.com=20

To: WannaduLLC@aol.com

Sent: Wednesday, January 21, = 2004 12:04=20 PM

Subject: WWJ receives honorary = membership=20 in Guitar Assn.

   For=20 Immediate Release

Guitarist Wayne = Wesley Johnson=20 becomes honorary member in AFG

January 17, 2004, Santa Fe, = NM.: World class guitarist Wayne Wesley Johnson of = Santa Fe, NM=20 was presented with honorary membership in the Association of = Fingerstyle=20 Guitarists (AFG), this past weekend at the Santa Ana College where the = Association held their annual convention & concert. The = presentation=20 was made to Mr. Johnson by AFG President, Greg Atkin. Wayne was a = scheduled=20 performer at this year's convention.

Wayne joins the ranks with previous = honorary AFG=20 members including recognizable guitarists, Chet Atkins, CGP. = (Chet tops=20 everyone's list), Richard Alcoy, Muriel Anderson, Al Bruno, Steve = Trovato,=20 Edgar Cruz, Doyle Dykes, Tommy Emmanuel, CGP, Laurence Juber, Gary = Lambert, Al=20 Meyers, Jim Nichols, Michael O'Dorn, Darrell Owens, George Sabolick, = Bob=20 Saxton, SGP, Richard Smith and Guy Van Duser.

About AFG

The AFG (Association of Fingerstyle = Guitarists) is=20 educationally oriented and dedicated to the goals of teaching, = nurturing, and=20 promoting the art of fingerstyle guitar. This was the second = time that=20 Wayne Wesley Johnson has performed at an AFG convention. =

In pursuit of its goals, the AFG publishes = a=20 quarterly newsletter, aptly named The Sound Hole, hosts tri-annual = Fingerstyle=20 Guitar Seminars and an annual Convention, and sponsors numerous = special=20 performance events featuring AFG members.

Membership is a = congenial mix=20 of fingerstyle guitar enthusiasts who range from wanna-be = fingerpickers,=20 casual hobbyists, budding performers, to many of the most awesome=20 fingerpickers planet earth has ever known.

Even though = they are=20 not AFG members (at least not yet), AFG is also influenced = by and=20 admire the likes of Jerry Reed and other exceptional fingerstyle=20 guitarists.

The legendary Merle Travis and Marcel Dadi have = left=20 indelible legacies that are oblivious to the passage of = time.

AFG is=20 also very proud to count some of the finest luthiers as fellow = members. Many=20 of the world's greatest fingerstyle guitarists have performed with = guitars=20 crafted by (alphabetically) R.C. Allen, Jim English, and Kirk=20 Sand.

Annual Dues
Annual dues are a mere $20 -- the = cost of=20 one average priced CD. The Sound Hole as well as other mailings to = announce=20 special events is distributed to members as part of their annual=20 dues.

Newsletter
A = quarterly=20 newsletter, The Sound Hole, contains schedules of future events, = reports of=20 recent past events, informative articles, reviews of recordings, = interviews=20 with and stories about some our most famous and interesting members, = stories=20 about favorite guitars, equipment reviews, tablature, playing tips and = techniques, tricks, riffs, and much more.

Fingerstyle Guitar Seminars
These get-togethers = are part=20 tutorial, part performance, and all fun. They are held 5 or six times = per year=20 on Saturdays from 1:00 PM to 6:00 PM. A nominal fee, currently $15, is = charged=20 to defray the cost of the event.

Annual Convention
AFG's = biggest and=20 grandest scheduled event is the Annual Convention. Currently held in = Santa=20 Ana, the 2-day convention consists of a series of performances by an = awesome=20 variety of some of the greatest fingerpickers around.

History
The club came into being = with its very=20 first Convention in Anaheim, CA in January 1997 featuring such artists = as=20 Doyle Dykes, Muriel Anderson, Lawrence Juber, Bob Saxton, Michael = O'Dorn, Jim=20 Nichols, and Chris Proctor.
J.D. Roberts is the club = founder.

Many=20 door prizes have been donated by various music stores and suppliers. = Guitars=20 has been the doorprize at each convention.

Organization
The AFG is operated = by a=20 Board of Directors -- a group of volunteers who perform the day-to-day = work=20 and planning, moving toward becoming a California Nonprofit = Corporation. =20 For current Board members, see http://afg.org/contacts.htm

For more information on Association of = Fingerstyle=20 Guitarists visit

http://afg.org   or=20 write...Association of Fingerstyle Guitarists, P.O. Box 223 , = Wildomar, CA=20 92595, USA

About Wayne Wesley Johnson

'Wayne Wesley Johnson is a fine guitarist & a fine = drummer,=20 too!'

(Living legendary guitarist Les = Paul at the=20 Iridium, NYC)

Internationally recognized, this award winning = guitarist=20 performs on acoustic, electric, nylon & steel string guitars and = guitar=20 synthesizer in a variety of musical styles and genres. A pioneer of = the 'New=20 Sound of Santa Fe' tm and 'Jazzamenco' tm., the artist performs in=20 thumbpicking, fingerstyle, and flatpicking styles...playing jazz, = world, new=20 age, latin & rumba flamenca and with classical techniques.
This charismatic performer has shared the stage = with some=20 of the world's finest guitarists, too... Formerly a drummer and = touring=20 companion with legendary guitarist's Les Paul, and Nokie Edwards (The=20 Ventures), Wayne has also shared the stage with Mason Williams, George = Benson,=20 Bucky Pizzarelli, BB King, Scotty Moore, Howard Roberts, Larry = Carlton, Chet=20 Atkins, Thom Bresh (Son of the legendary guitarist Merle Travis), = Bobby=20 Saxton, Bobby Gibson, Tom Doyle, Tommy Emmanuel, Seymour Duncan, = Stephen=20 Bennett, Stephen King, Richard Smith, Anthony Smith, Tim Farrell, = Edgar Cruz,=20 Lou Pallo *The Les Paul Trio), John 'Nightwolf' Nelson, Jon Paris, and = Santa=20 Fe guitarists, Ruben Romero, Antonio Mendoza, Roberto Gonzales, = and=20 more.
Wayne is a regular annual performer at the Chet = Atkins=20 Appreciation Society, Nokie Festival and on occasion at the Guitars = for life=20 benefit concerts.
In Santa Fe, Wayne can most often be seen = performing with=20 Spanish/classical guitarist Ruben Romero at the Eldorado Hotel on = Saturday=20 evenings between 8:30-11:30. Wayne now spends some of his time = touring,=20 performing, songwriting, recording and producing music for his own = artist=20 owned Wannadu record label. A former corporate CEO, this artist knows = the=20 importance of 'professionalism' in performance and appearance and how = to=20 provide for client satisfaction. With a collection of guitars to = choose from=20 and complimentary amplification, the artist selects his gear, attire = and tune=20 selection to suit any size venue and any type of occasion.
WWJ performs for small venues, holiday & = private=20 parties, weddings, trade shows, art gallery openings, resorts & = hotel=20 lounges and restaurants, Bar Mitzvah, Bat Mitzvah, Anniversaries, = cruises,=20 business banquets, opening sessions, festivals, fairs, corporate = conventions,=20 political events, shows, & concerts.
Solo performances include solo guitar, but, are = sometimes=20 augmented with guitar synthesizer or a technique called 'looping' = which=20 permits the artist to record on the fly and accompany himself when no = other=20 musicians are available, and the sometimes use of TV Mixes or 'backing = tracks'=20 from Wayne's latest recordings, promising the audience a great musical = experience.
When appropriate, Wayne shares information about = his=20 instruments and playing styles with his audience, further enhancing = the=20 audiences participation and enjoyment.
Budget permitting, Wayne Wesley Johnson may be = accompanied=20 by his 'JAZZAMENCO' tm band.
The artist is available for both local, national = and=20 international performances. WWJ has performed in China, Israel, = Europe,=20 Scandanavia, South America, and various locations throughout the U.S. = and=20 Canada, and Mexico.
WWJ the recording artist and = Producer=20
Wayne is a successful recording artist & = producer with=20 over 80,000 CDs having been sold in just the past few years. A member = of=20 BMI,  his music has been licensed and airs on Muzak, Dish = Network,=20 and currently on The Weather Channel, WBTV's Roswell, and the = Discovery=20 Channel's Outward Bound series on a regular basis, and is now being = considered=20 for several film soundtracks. He has recorded with Ruben Romero, Nokie = Edwards, Tom Doyle, Gao Hong, Consuelo Luz, Thom Bresh (Merle Travis' = son),=20 Lou Pallo (Les Paul trio), Anthony Smith, Tim Farrell, Edgar Cruz, and = others.
Recent Awards & Honors: =
AFG - Association of Fingerstyle Guitarists = Honarary=20 Member Santa Ana, CA 2004
Guitar Nine's Top 50 Most Popular CDs Smooth = Jazz / World=20 Category 'Hypnotic Safari' December 2003
Guitars for Life Award New York 2001
Soave Guitar Festival Plaque for promoting = American Music=20 Italy 2001
John Lennon Songwriters Contest =E2=80=9CBaile = de la paloma=E2=80=9D Dance=20 Category / Runner Up Winner 1999
Recent Concert Performances &=20 Workshops:
AFG Association of Fingerstyle Guitarists Santa = Ana,=20 California,
CAAS Chet Atkins Appreciation Society Nashville, = TN,=20
Nokie Festival Eugene, OR,
Chamizal Festival El Paso, Texas,
Chimayo Museum Chimayo, New Mexico,
Keystone Pavillion Keystone, Colorado,
'Jazzamenco' Concerts Radisson Santa Fe Maria = Benitez=20 Cabaret Theater Santa Fe, NM (SOLD OUT)
Recent Radio, TV, & = Music Licensing
'Entre dos Montanas' (Between Two Mountains), = written=20 and performed by Wayne Wesley Johnson & occasional recording = partner=20 guitarist Ruben Romero, was played as part of the music = program in=20 the Franklin Covey chain of stores (appx. 175 across the country) = Another of=20 Wayne's tunes, 'Un Poco de Elfida' will be part of an upcoming program = at the=20 chain, too.
Johnson's music may also be heard on The Weather = Channel,=20 MUZAK, Cable/Satellite TV, WBTV's Roswell, Malcolm in the Middle, = Discovery=20 Channel's Outward Bound Series. His music has also been licensed = to=20 Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation, EMusic.com, Surreal to Reel,=20 LicenseMusic.com, Sonic Licensing
PRESS (recent)
20th Century Guitar Magazine April and June 2003 =
Vintage Guitar Magazine (review) July 2003 =
The SantaFean Magazine July 2003
Fingerstyle Guitar Magazine t/b announced =
Discography:
Flamenco Festival (Narada / Hallmark = Music) WWJ with=20 Ruben Romero
Flamenco Flavors (IAGO / Talking Taco) WWJ with = Ruben=20 Romero
Hypnotic Safari (Wannadu) WWJ with Ruben = Romero=20
Canciones del alma / Songs from the Soul = (Wannadu) =20 WWJ with guests Nokie Edwards, Gao Hong, Tom Doyle, Mario Reynolds =

For more information on Wayne Wesley Johnson = visit=20 http://wannadu.com, or = http://www.gigmasters.com/jazz/waynewesleyjohnson/ or contact us at Wannadu, LLC., 7 Avenida Vista = Grande #260,=20 Santa Fe, NM 87508 505.466.8700 fax: 505.466.8702

------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C3E01F.FF7D0FE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 21 17:23:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0LMFMa22449; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:15:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:15:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: WWJ receives honorary membership in Guitar Assn. Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 14:15:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcPgYxQXIErUbCDFQh6kppZv69imlAACFjbA In-Reply-To: <005801c3e063$0ebda6c0$ab955142@Biffoz> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----> Definitely spam-like--however, this guy IS a list member--he came to the Starr Labs booth and hung out this last weekend. He plays Nuevo flamenco on a guitar outfitted by Starr Labs with triggers for percussion and he loops it (ostensibly)... So it just SEEMS more like spam 'cause it's HTML and offical looking . . . Gary ________________________________ From: Miko Biffle [mailto:biffoz@arczip.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 1:11 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WWJ receives honorary membership in Guitar Assn. I'm getting this from LD and it looks like SPAM to me. Any comments? -Miko ----- Original Message ----- From: Wjguitar@aol.com To: WannaduLLC@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:04 PM Subject: WWJ receives honorary membership in Guitar Assn. For Immediate Release Guitarist Wayne Wesley Johnson becomes honorary member in AFG From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 21 18:28:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0LNMqo32127; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:22:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:22:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.225.111.163] X-Originating-Email: [j_sun23@hotmail.com] X-Sender: j_sun23@hotmail.com From: "Jason Spring" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looping acoustic instruments with live mics.......? Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 23:22:46 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jan 2004 23:22:46.0322 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A3E8920:01C3E075] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, To Tim Crowe (or whomever else it may concern or pertain to): I was wondering what experience or problems you have looping acoustic drums. I'm assuming you have a live mic or mics. I have my drumkit mic'd up, and a repeater, with dry-mute engaged, in the effects loop of my mixer (prefader) so I can mix the drums into the repeater without them coming out of the speakers (until they're looped of course). I haven't gotten into it very deep yet with my repeater, but I noticed the other night that I layed a loop down, it souded good, but then when I recorded to a new track, the mics picked up too much of the original loop from the speakers, and it just sounded bad, like a metallic reverby kinda sound. Just curious if you've had some of the same, or any other problems. Sorry if it's not kosher to contact you off list. Thanks in advance. Jason Spring >From: timothy crowe >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: upcoming show saturday the 24th in berkeley >Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:48:09 -0800 > >hey loopers, > > > >this saturday, jan 24th at epic arts in Berkeley i'm putting on a loop >show. > >i use the repeater with other goodies looping percussives. > >i mostly use a djembe pitched shifted and blasted through large subwoofers. >i incorporate a lot of delays, filters, noise and feedback. > >my music is about groove. > >hope to see you and your friends at > >www.epicarts.org > > > >peace and dance, > >tim > > > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 21 20:29:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0M1QQa17656; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:26:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:26:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c3e086$bfd25d20$9a68f93f@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: References: <200401212328.i0LNScx32712@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: RE: WWJ receives honorary membership in Guitar Assn. Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:26:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think Wayne is proud of this honor and as a looping list member I think it is cool that he is letting us know that it as been bestowed upon him. Frankly, I think it reflects well on our community when list members have good things happen to them in their careers, even when they are not specifically loop oriented. I think that's what we are all striving for: legitmacy and respect. Anyone can always put a person on your 'don't recieve e-mail' list in your browser, so I, for one, vote that we let this kind of post exist. oh, yeah, and Congratulations, Wayne. This is a big honor! Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 21 20:38:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0M1aSk19041; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:36:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:36:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <187.2456fc78.2d408312@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:36:18 EST Subject: Re: WWJ receives honorary membership in Guitar Assn. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_187.2456fc78.2d408312_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_187.2456fc78.2d408312_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/21/04 8:26:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, looppool@cruzio.com writes: > Frankly, I think it reflects well on our community when list members have > good things happen to them in their careers, even when they are not > specifically > loop oriented. I think that's what we are all striving for: legitmacy > and respect. > don't call me frank!.....:).....what rick sez is 100% correct.....michael --part1_187.2456fc78.2d408312_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a me= ssage dated 1/21/04 8:26:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, looppool@cruzio.com wr= ites:

Frankly, I think it reflects we= ll on our community when list members have
good things happen to them in their careers, even when they are not
specifically
loop oriented.    I think that's what we are all striving for= : legitmacy
and respect.

don't call me frank!.....:).....what rick sez is 100% correct.....michael --part1_187.2456fc78.2d408312_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 21 22:58:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0M3vB706768; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:57:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:57:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:00:58 -0800 Subject: Re: Looping acoustic instruments with live mics.......? From: timothy crowe To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi Jason. this is tricky. it's a balance of mic positioning and levels. it happens to me too but a lot of times there's so much energy being recorded that the faint stuff can't be heard. dampen the reflections behind you. good luck, tim on 1/21/04 3:22 PM, Jason Spring at j_sun23@hotmail.com wrote: > Hi all, > > To Tim Crowe (or whomever else it may concern or pertain to): > > I was wondering what experience or problems you have looping acoustic drums. > I'm assuming you have a live mic or mics. I have my drumkit mic'd up, and a > repeater, with dry-mute engaged, in the effects loop of my mixer (prefader) > so I can mix the drums into the repeater without them coming out of the > speakers (until they're looped of course). I haven't gotten into it very > deep yet with my repeater, but I noticed the other night that I layed a loop > down, it souded good, but then when I recorded to a new track, the mics > picked up too much of the original loop from the speakers, and it just > sounded bad, like a metallic reverby kinda sound. Just curious if you've had > some of the same, or any other problems. Sorry if it's not kosher to > contact you off list. Thanks in advance. > > Jason Spring > > >> From: timothy crowe >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> To: >> Subject: upcoming show saturday the 24th in berkeley >> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:48:09 -0800 >> >> hey loopers, >> >> >> >> this saturday, jan 24th at epic arts in Berkeley i'm putting on a loop >> show. >> >> i use the repeater with other goodies looping percussives. >> >> i mostly use a djembe pitched shifted and blasted through large subwoofers. >> i incorporate a lot of delays, filters, noise and feedback. >> >> my music is about groove. >> >> hope to see you and your friends at >> >> www.epicarts.org >> >> >> >> peace and dance, >> >> tim >> >> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 22 00:20:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0M5IpV19125; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 00:18:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 00:18:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20040122061614.03465908@pop.chello.se> X-Sender: mpf7428@pop.chello.se X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 06:18:52 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: GTC Subject: Re: Tia's looping plug-in (was: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives) In-Reply-To: <200401212017.i0LKHve02501@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_63798377==.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: <2rHmTB.A.tqE.701DAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_63798377==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tias; I'm at Big Ben from 22:00 until 00:30 (or 1:00 depending on the crowd).=20 Would be cool to see you and or Per. Otherwise, i'll dig up that Max patch= =20 probably over the weekend. Kind of jammed up with gigs and stuff right now.= =20 Your plug in looks really interesting. Good going. Jair-R=F4hm ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Glass Thought Communications "Dedicated to the clear pursuit of excellence" +46 708 940893 http://members.chello.se/gtc/index.htm --=====================_63798377==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tias;

I'm at Big Ben from 22:00 until 00:30 (or 1:00 depending on the crowd). Would be cool to see you and or Per. Otherwise, i'll dig up that Max patch probably over the weekend. Kind of jammed up with gigs and stuff right now. Your plug in looks really interesting. Good going.

Jair-R=F4hm

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http:/= /members.chello.se/gtc/index.htm --=====================_63798377==.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 22 03:11:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0M87na09210; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 03:07:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 03:07:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:07:43 +0100 Subject: Re: Tia's looping plug-in (was: Using computers as a Live Looper - software alternatives) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20040122061614.03465908@pop.chello.se> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i0M87mk09187 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-01-22 06.18, "GTC" wrote: > Tias; > > I'm at Big Ben from 22:00 until 00:30 (or 1:00 depending on the crowd). > Would be cool to see you and or Per. Jair-R�hm, I'm afraid I can't make it this time. Good luck with your gig! C U - Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 22 09:51:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0MEmuR08924; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:48:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:48:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:49:47 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: WWJ receives honorary membership in Guitar Assn. To: Relay , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006301c3e0f7$01eda000$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <_3F4kB.A.VLC.XL-DAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----> Definitely spam-like-- Ya know, if it smells like spam, and it tastes like spam... Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 22 16:00:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0MKt1i03721; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:55:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:55:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003701c3e12a$17360c80$44985142@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <200401212328.i0LNScx32712@hemlock.violacea.com> <002101c3e086$bfd25d20$9a68f93f@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: WWJ receives honorary membership in Guitar Assn. Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:55:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <1LAybC.A.95.liDEAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll certainly say that it's a great honor, and I'm interested in what Wayne is up to. It looks like boilerplate though and if it's a continuing stream of stuff from *his* mailing list, I don't think that's appropriate. I can't block him, because the mail 'from' address is loopers-delight. But I thought I'd ask before complaining. Sorry for the intrusion and apologies to Wayne if'n yer listening in! I'm going to follow this with a bit of my own cd spam just to keep the playing field level... 8-) Best, -Miko ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 5:26 PM Subject: RE: WWJ receives honorary membership in Guitar Assn. > I think Wayne is proud of this honor and as a looping list member > I think it is cool that he is letting us know that it as been bestowed > upon him. > > Frankly, I think it reflects well on our community when list members have > good things happen to them in their careers, even when they are not > specifically > loop oriented. I think that's what we are all striving for: legitmacy > and respect. > > Anyone can always put a person on your 'don't recieve e-mail' list in your > browser, > so I, for one, vote that we let this kind of post exist. > > oh, yeah, and > > Congratulations, Wayne. This is a big honor! > > Rick > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 22 16:14:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0ML9gW09849; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:09:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:09:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004b01c3e12c$23e7a4a0$44985142@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: Subject: CD Release hucking... Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:10:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <7b0-YD.A.uZC.WwDEAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok, ok... it's me again. I've never officially released an announcement, just posted url's, so... I'm very pround to announce that my first cd - Biffoz 'Rough' - is now up and available at cdbaby.com! It's been a long haul through very troubled waters the last two years, but it's finally up and ready to go. Some of you have heard a few of the tracks on the CT-Collective compilations... I'd love to get some feedback from anyone on the list. You can listen to excerpts at www.cdbaby.com/biffoz Thanks a bunch! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------- Here's some of my fancy promo... Psychedelic, cinematic improv and looping... Futuristic guitar stylings explode in a polyglot stew of sound. A retrospective of the past two years of solo and duo live-in-studio work. Miko Biffle of Santa Cruz, CA. wanders through a multitude of genres and styles and prefers not to align himself with any single sector. Self-taught, he has been creating post-modern guitar improv and psychedelia for over two decades, but secretly poses as an acoustic balladeer, jazz-blues sideman, aggro-shredder, solo looper, pit guitarist, audio engineer, and sometimes all-of-the-above in various S.F. and Montery Bay area ensembles and productions. Special thanks to guitar and tech wizard Tim Sanz for his intuitive jamming on tracks 9, 10 and 11. Daringly juggling key bass, drumbox, guitar, atmospherics, hand drum etc. and succeeding admirably. Biffoz is one of the founding members of the CT-Collective (Chain Tape Collective) http://www.music.columbia.edu/~cecenter/mhl21/ct/ct.html Check out the fresh new ICS Xray Lodge in Santa Cruz! http://www.powerhat.com/ics/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 22 18:54:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0MNkHi27633; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:46:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:46:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Mike Hunter" To: Subject: Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:46:15 -0500 Message-ID: <001a01c3e141$ecb562e0$0e00a8c0@STUDIO1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01C3E118.03DF5AE0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [151.204.197.217] at Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:46:14 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <76UefC.A.qvG.IDGEAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C3E118.03DF5AE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone experienced the follwing Echoplex problem? I am fading in notes from a guitar When the loop plays these notes on the following pass of the loop, there is no fade! It just cuts in. I have two Echoplexes in rotherSync with each other (for stero looping.) I have AutoRecord off and Threshold set to Zero....Both Echoplexes are experiencing this problem Now, another bit of info.... I had been playing for around a hour when this began to happen... Is is a heat related problem? WOuld re-socketing the IC's help? Has anyone experienced this problem before? (I have them off now, cooling down to test my theory.) HELP! I have a live solo radio performance tomorrow and I am deparate for a solution! Thanks, Mike Hunter ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C3E118.03DF5AE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Has = anyone=20 experienced the follwing Echoplex problem?

I am = fading in notes=20 from a guitar When the loop plays these notes on the following pass of = the loop,=20 there is no fade!

It = just cuts=20 in.

I have = two=20 Echoplexes in rotherSync with each other (for stero looping.) I have = AutoRecord=20 off and Threshold set to Zero....Both Echoplexes are experiencing this=20 problem

Now, = another bit of=20 info....

I had = been playing=20 for around a hour when this began to happen... Is is a heat related = problem?=20 WOuld re-socketing the IC's help? Has anyone experienced this problem=20 before?

(I = have them off=20 now, cooling down to test my theory.)

HELP! = I have a live=20 solo radio performance tomorrow and I am deparate for a=20 solution!

Thanks,

Mike Hunter

------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C3E118.03DF5AE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 22 21:57:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0N2tFk22498; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:55:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:55:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <8D6F8796-4D4F-11D8-A28E-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Rocktron G612 mixer FS on eBay Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:55:07 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There was someone on the list a few months ago bemoaning the death of their Rocktron line mixer, which has been out of production for years. For whoever that was (or anyone else looking for a 1U mixer) here's one on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=2374726127&category=23785&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWA%3AIT&rd= 1 TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 22 22:19:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0N3HS531842; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 22:17:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 22:17:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c3e15f$63a97ae0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <8D6F8796-4D4F-11D8-A28E-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Subject: Re: Rocktron G612 mixer FS on eBay Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:17:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com MINE! Thanks Travis! Just what I was looking for :) Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 8:55 PM Subject: Rocktron G612 mixer FS on eBay > There was someone on the list a few months ago bemoaning the death of > their Rocktron line mixer, which has been out of production for years. > For whoever that was (or anyone else looking for a 1U mixer) here's one > on eBay: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&item=2374726127&category=23785&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWA%3AIT&rd= > 1 > > > > TravisH > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 23 00:51:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0N5oAk15784; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:50:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:50:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) To: Loopers Delight Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--106961349 From: John Metzler Subject: 3rd Attempt...Throw me a Bone. Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:50:02 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1--106961349 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi every one. I am a longtime enthusiast of this site and have been on and off for the past few years. I am finally in a band where I can actually start doing more than just musical masturbation with my Echoplex. But I have a handful of questions for your seasoned pros. Please feel very free to email me privately at jarofjam@mac.com, but please be nice, too much technical jargon bums me out. First let me start with a list of the type of gear I have and might use with looping, what I want to be able to do, and what I think I might need to achieve some of this. What I have (Gear that could be useful to this discussion) -EDP (cream colored) running Loop IV w/EFC-7 -Mackie 1402vlz -Ernie Ball stereo volume pedal (used for EDP Feedback control because of it's 25k ohm pot) -Ernie Ball mono volume pedal (the 250k ohm pot) -RFX MidiBuddy MP128P midi foot pedal (Initially added this so I could instantly jump from loop 1 to loop 7 if need be, but never got it to work) -Alesis QS 7.1 keyboard -Roland MPU64 4X4 usb MIDI interface -MOTU 2X2 Fastlane usb MIDI interface -Flatpanal iMac G4 800Mhz w/ 768 MB of SDRAM -iBook G4 800Mhz w640 MB -Pro Tools 6.2.2 running in Mac OS X 10.3.2 -Boss SE-50 stereo effects processor -A Bass, an Acoustic Guitar w/pick up, and an Electric Guitar. I will be playing bass in the band but I also have lofty solo looping aspirations that I have not yet realized. The drummer in the band,Jim, plays the Roland V-Club kit. I want to be able to have the EDP synced to his drumming and have my button pushes quantized to the tempo. Then I would also like a way to have a pre-programmed midi track send control messeges to the EDP to do all my button pushes for me to help build sound scapes that would otherwise be too hard using just the EFC-7. (Gosh, I hope I explain this stuff well enough to merit some good help and advice) I have had a little bit of luck using Pro Tools as a sequencer. I have been able to have a sequence in pro tools play back some music through my Alesis QS 7.1 and record a MIDI track EDP Button pushes to control the EDP upon playback. Here are a couple of questions I hope to get some useful answers for. 1. Does any one know if there is a way to start up Pro Tools LE 6.2.2 without any Digidesign Hardware hooked up to the computer. I wanted to record some EDP button pushes (EFC-7 moves) on a MIDI track in Pro Tools on my lap top. But it won't open without the Mbox plugged into it. 2. Does anybody know of any free MIDI sequencing software for OSX 10.3.2 that would allow me to do this. 3. I want to be able to access any loop from any other loop in the EDP with the push of only 1 button. This is Why I got the RFX MIDIbuddy foot controller. It has individual buttons numbered 0-9 and a 10up and 10down button. I thought I could plug this in and set it up so that pushing button 3 would jump me straight to 3 and 7 to 7 and so on. I have been unable to do this. Am I doing something wrong or will this foot controller simply not work for this function. HOW CAN I DO THIS??? 4. Please stick with me! Let me explain and then you guys (and Gals) let me know hear what you know and think. I don't know how much I trust software based sequencing programs to use my laptop at a live gig. Computers crash more often then dedicated hardware does. I need a rock solid sequencer that I can use as a drum machine (so I won't have to lug my keyboard just for drum sounds) and an EDP trigger , and sync to Jim's V-Drums, that I can record incoming button pushes on one channel while playing programmed drum sequenced on another channel. WILL THE AKAI MPC 1000 BE A GOOD CHOICE FOR THIS???? Why and why not? 5. One last question for now. (by the way, THANK YOU in advance, to all of you who will doubtlessly give me invaluable advice) If I got myself a second EDP would I be able to have both run in sync and use one in delay mode and the other in Loop mode? And would the delay be in sync with one cycle of the loop? Please Advise. I am really excited about all this. I have been thinking about all this for over a year and I am almost in the place to actually start doing it. This means a lot to me, PLEASE HELP ME OUT. I need to understand, to stand under the light, to be enlightened. ---John M. I know about pain and suffering and being cold, but I just wanna .......... ROCK!!!!!!!! --Apple-Mail-1--106961349 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hi every one. I am a longtime enthusiast of this site and have been on and off for the past few years. I am finally in a band where I can actually start doing more than just musical masturbation with my Echoplex. But I have a handful of questions for your seasoned pros. Please feel very free to email me privately at jarofjam@mac.com, but please be nice, too much technical jargon bums me out. First let me start with a list of the type of gear I have and might use with looping, what I want to be able to do, and what I think I might need to achieve some of this. 4968,1749,5CA9What I have (Gear that could be useful to this discussion) -EDP (cream colored) running Loop IV w/EFC-7 -Mackie 1402vlz -Ernie Ball stereo volume pedal (used for EDP Feedback control because of it's 25k ohm pot) -Ernie Ball mono volume pedal (the 250k ohm pot) -RFX MidiBuddy MP128P midi foot pedal (Initially added this so I could instantly jump from loop 1 to loop 7 if need be, but never got it to work) -Alesis QS 7.1 keyboard -Roland MPU64 4X4 usb MIDI interface -MOTU 2X2 Fastlane usb MIDI interface -Flatpanal iMac G4 800Mhz w/ 768 MB of SDRAM -iBook G4 800Mhz w640 MB -Pro Tools 6.2.2 running in Mac OS X 10.3.2 -Boss SE-50 stereo effects processor -A Bass, an Acoustic Guitar w/pick up, and an Electric Guitar. I will be playing bass in the band but I also have lofty solo looping aspirations that I have not yet realized. The drummer in the band,Jim, plays the Roland V-Club kit. I want to be able to have the EDP synced to his drumming and have my button pushes quantized to the tempo. Then I would also like a way to have a pre-programmed midi track send control messeges to the EDP to do all my button pushes for me to help build sound scapes that would otherwise be too hard using just the EFC-7. (Gosh, I hope I explain this stuff well enough to merit some good help and advice) I have had a little bit of luck using Pro Tools as a sequencer. I have been able to have a sequence in pro tools play back some music through my Alesis QS 7.1 and record a MIDI track EDP Button pushes to control the EDP upon playback. Here are a couple of questions I hope to get some useful answers for. 1. Does any one know if there is a way to start up Pro Tools LE 6.2.2 without any Digidesign Hardware hooked up to the computer. I wanted to record some EDP button pushes (EFC-7 moves) on a MIDI track in Pro Tools on my lap top. But it won't open without the Mbox plugged into it. 2. Does anybody know of any free MIDI sequencing software for OSX 10.3.2 that would allow me to do this. 3. I want to be able to access any loop from any other loop in the EDP with the push of only 1 button. This is Why I got the RFX MIDIbuddy foot controller. It has individual buttons numbered 0-9 and a 10up and 10down button. I thought I could plug this in and set it up so that pushing button 3 would jump me straight to 3 and 7 to 7 and so on. I have been unable to do this. Am I doing something wrong or will this foot controller simply not work for this function. HOW CAN I DO THIS??? 4. Please stick with me! Let me explain and then you guys (and Gals) let me know hear what you know and think. I don't know how much I trust software based sequencing programs to use my laptop at a live gig. Computers crash more often then dedicated hardware does. I need a rock solid sequencer that I can use as a drum machine (so I won't have to lug my keyboard just for drum sounds) and an EDP trigger , and sync to Jim's V-Drums, that I can record incoming button pushes on one channel while playing programmed drum sequenced on another channel. WILL THE AKAI MPC 1000 BE A GOOD CHOICE FOR THIS???? Why and why not? 5. One last question for now. (by the way, THANK YOU in advance, to all of you who will doubtlessly give me invaluable advice) If I got myself a second EDP would I be able to have both run in sync and use one in delay mode and the other in Loop mode? And would the delay be in sync with one cycle of the loop? Please Advise. I am really excited about all this. I have been thinking about all this for over a year and I am almost in the place to actually start doing it. This means a lot to me, PLEASE HELP ME OUT. I need to understand, to stand under the light, to be enlightened. ---John M. I know about pain and suffering and being cold, but I just wanna .......... ROCK!!!!!!!! --Apple-Mail-1--106961349-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 23 00:55:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0N5s6o16779; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:54:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:54:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <8A5EDDA5-4D68-11D8-984F-000393D7CC50@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers Delight From: John Metzler Subject: Favorite EDP MIDI Foot Controler? Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:54:00 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is for anyone who uses a MIDI foot controller with an EDP. What one do you use and what do you like about it? Is the Behringer FCB 1010 the way to go? Can you asign one expression pedal to be Loop play back volume and the other to be Feedback % ? Can you use the EFC-7 along side a MIDI foot controller? ---John M> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 23 01:50:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0N6nsY04791; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 01:49:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 01:49:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20040123001319.05208518@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:47:03 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: 3rd Attempt...Throw me a Bone. In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <1KCKeB.A.uKB.RQMEAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Okay, a lot of these are general and MIDI questions, so let me see if I can help out a bit. First, caveats: I'm not an EDP owner, and I developed a mild-but-long-lasting hatred of Digidesign well over a decade ago, so I don't use Pro Tools. All standard disclaimers apply. However, that said, perhaps I can assist a little. See below. At 11:50 PM 1/22/2004, John Metzler wrote: >1. Does any one know if there is a way to start up Pro Tools LE 6.2.2 >without any Digidesign Hardware hooked up to the computer. I wanted to >record some EDP button pushes (EFC-7 moves) on a MIDI track in Pro Tools >on my lap top. But it won't open without the Mbox plugged into it. I've heard in passing that there was a change in Pro Tools LE between OS9 & OSX. Hopefully somebody else can confirm, but in the OS9 version it's perfectly possible to run the sequencer with no DigiDesign hardware. I'd heard they revised that functionality when they ported it over to OSX, so that the software now needs to see their hardware in order to function. >2. Does anybody know of any free MIDI sequencing software for OSX 10.3.2 >that would allow me to do this. Try taking a look through the Host listing on KVR-VST ( http://www.kvr-vst.com/get.php?mode=results&st=q&s=13 ). If you can't find anything worthwhile there, I know that Jo from Muzys is working hard on the port to OSX (expected sometime during Q1 2004). Once that happens, I'm sure you'll be able to get its little brother -- Computer Muzys -- on the CD's that come each month in Computer Music magazine. Not free, but cheap... >3. I want to be able to access any loop from any other loop in the EDP >with the push of only 1 button. This is Why I got the RFX MIDIbuddy foot >controller. It has individual buttons numbered 0-9 and a 10up and 10down >button. I thought I could plug this in and set it up so that pushing >button 3 would jump me straight to 3 and 7 to 7 and so on. I have been >unable to do this. Am I doing something wrong or will this foot >controller simply not work for this function. HOW CAN I DO THIS??? I believe this has been answered previously: you can't do it from that particular foot controller without adding another piece of hardware to convert the MIDI messages to a different type. >4. Please stick with me! Let me explain and then you guys (and Gals) let >me know hear what you know and think. I don't know how much I trust >software based sequencing programs to use my laptop at a live >gig. Computers crash more often then dedicated hardware does. I need a >rock solid sequencer that I can use as a drum machine (so I won't have to >lug my keyboard just for drum sounds) and an EDP trigger , and sync to >Jim's V-Drums, that I can record incoming button pushes on one channel >while playing programmed drum sequenced on another channel. WILL THE AKAI >MPC 1000 BE A GOOD CHOICE FOR THIS???? Why and why not? It's been a long time since I played around with anything from Akai's MPC series. However, if I recall correctly, I think it will probably do what you need it to. The functionality should be there, but as to whether it's a good choice, I would definitely play around with the interface and see if it's intuitive for you. My background is with the Sequential machines (the Studio 440 kicks ass), so the Akai machines were always a bit hard to get around for me. Likewise, I'd imagine that somebody who spent most of their time on Linn or E-mu workstations would say that both the Akai and SCI machines were whacked. It's what you find easiest to work with that matters, so you'll really need to get some time to download the manual, then demo the machine. One other series of gear to consider here are the E-mu Command Stations. The little I've played with these remind me of my 440 interface: well-thought-out and very fast to move around. I know there are several Command Station owners here on the list however, so I'll let them discuss the merits of their gear. >5. One last question for now. (by the way, THANK YOU in advance, to all >of you who will doubtlessly give me invaluable advice) If I got myself a >second EDP would I be able to have both run in sync and use one in delay >mode and the other in Loop mode? And would the delay be in sync with one >cycle of the loop? That one's going to have to come from an EDP owner, or Kim... Hope that's *some* assistance... -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 23 01:56:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0N6paC05509; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 01:51:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 01:51:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: Favorite EDP MIDI Foot Controler? Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 22:51:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcPhdVnEXn3TZVmwS5ikQ0FBazbFngABHtmg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <8A5EDDA5-4D68-11D8-984F-000393D7CC50@mac.com> Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- John Metzler wants to know-- This is for anyone who uses a MIDI foot controller with an EDP. What one do you use and what do you like about it? Is the Behringer FCB 1010 the way to go? Can you asign one expression pedal to be Loop play back volume and the other to be Feedback % ? Can you use the EFC-7 along side a MIDI foot controller? -----> My advice to this guy and others like him-- Don't kill yourself trying to program something complicated if your knowledge is limited. I had a Lake Butler Mitigator that I managed to program for a while, then on the advice of a fellow MIDI musician, I acquired a PMC-10 by Digitech. At first it didn't seem easy to program, but it got easier, especially with Sean Echevarria's PC editing program called Raymond. The Behringer has a reputation for being difficult to program. It is cheap and available but limited and can be frustrating. I would advice getting the Lake Butler pedal--it is long out of production but very sturdy and evidently still being sold--the producer named Monk (Tony Moore's friend--what's his real name? From Over the Rhine) said he just bought a backup for $50. If money is not an object, I say get a PC 1600x and a MIDI Mouse. If money is way not a problem, get out your checkbook and buy a PMC. Gary PS The answers to the last two questions are yes and yes From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 23 01:59:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0N6wen08256; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 01:58:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 01:58:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <200401230555.i0N5tnr17231@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200401230555.i0N5tnr17231@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--105057869 Message-Id: <6B7ACCD0-4D6C-11D8-A28E-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: 3rd Attempt...Throw me a Bone. Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 22:21:46 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-3--105057869 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Didn't most of these already get answered? 1. No--they designed it specifically to not allow this. 2. No, but if you're running Panther you could get Garageband with iLife for $50. 3. No--that pedal will never do that. You need a more full-featured MIDI pedal, like that Behringer thing that everyone's been discussing, or the Rocktron All Access, Digitech PMC-100 or the Roland FC-200 (I believe that's the number). It has to be a pedal that you can program to send note on/off messages. Your pedal only sends program change commands. 4. No idea, but over the years my impression has been that all those sampler boxes are not designed with that sort of live performance capability in mind. 5. Yes, you can set the two EDP's up to do that. If you're looking for a MIDI-syncable delay, there's cheaper options though. And do you really want the delay time on the second EDP to be one cycle of the first, and not something shorter? I have to say that I think you'll run into all sorts of challenges trying to chase the tempo set by your bud on the V-Drums though. TravisH On Jan 22, 2004, at 9:55 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: John Metzler > Date: January 22, 2004 9:50:02 PM PST > To: Loopers Delight > Subject: 3rd Attempt...Throw me a Bone. > > > Hi every one. > I am a longtime enthusiast of this site and have been on and off for > the past few years. I am finally in a band where I can actually start > doing more than just musical masturbation with my Echoplex. But I > have a handful of questions for your seasoned pros. Please feel very > free to email me privately at jarofjam@mac.com, but please be nice, > too much technical jargon bums me out. First let me start with a list > of the type of gear I have and might use with looping, what I want to > be able to do, and what I think I might need to achieve some of this. > > What I have (Gear that could be useful to this discussion) > -EDP (cream colored) running Loop IV w/EFC-7 > -Mackie 1402vlz > -Ernie Ball stereo volume pedal (used for EDP Feedback control because > of it's 25k ohm pot) > -Ernie Ball mono volume pedal (the 250k ohm pot) > -RFX MidiBuddy MP128P midi foot pedal (Initially added this so I could > instantly jump from loop 1 to loop 7 if need be, but never got it to > work) > -Alesis QS 7.1 keyboard > -Roland MPU64 4X4 usb MIDI interface > -MOTU 2X2 Fastlane usb MIDI interface > -Flatpanal iMac G4 800Mhz w/ 768 MB of SDRAM > -iBook G4 800Mhz w640 MB > -Pro Tools 6.2.2 running in Mac OS X 10.3.2 > -Boss SE-50 stereo effects processor > -A Bass, an Acoustic Guitar w/pick up, and an Electric Guitar. > > I will be playing bass in the band but I also have lofty solo looping > aspirations that I have not yet realized. The drummer in the > band,Jim, plays the Roland V-Club kit. I want to be able to have the > EDP synced to his drumming and have my button pushes quantized to the > tempo. Then I would also like a way to have a pre-programmed midi > track send control messeges to the EDP to do all my button pushes for > me to help build sound scapes that would otherwise be too hard using > just the EFC-7. > > (Gosh, I hope I explain this stuff well enough to merit some good help > and advice) > > I have had a little bit of luck using Pro Tools as a sequencer. I > have been able to have a sequence in pro tools play back some music > through my Alesis QS 7.1 and record a MIDI track EDP Button pushes to > control the EDP upon playback. Here are a couple of questions I hope > to get some useful answers for. > > 1. Does any one know if there is a way to start up Pro Tools LE 6.2.2 > without any Digidesign Hardware hooked up to the computer. I wanted > to record some EDP button pushes (EFC-7 moves) on a MIDI track in Pro > Tools on my lap top. But it won't open without the Mbox plugged into > it. > > 2. Does anybody know of any free MIDI sequencing software for OSX > 10.3.2 that would allow me to do this. > > 3. I want to be able to access any loop from any other loop in the > EDP with the push of only 1 button. This is Why I got the RFX > MIDIbuddy foot controller. It has individual buttons numbered 0-9 and > a 10up and 10down button. I thought I could plug this in and set it > up so that pushing button 3 would jump me straight to 3 and 7 to 7 and > so on. I have been unable to do this. Am I doing something wrong or > will this foot controller simply not work for this function. HOW CAN > I DO THIS??? > > 4. Please stick with me! Let me explain and then you guys (and Gals) > let me know hear what you know and think. I don't know how much I > trust software based sequencing programs to use my laptop at a live > gig. Computers crash more often then dedicated hardware does. I need > a rock solid sequencer that I can use as a drum machine (so I won't > have to lug my keyboard just for drum sounds) and an EDP trigger , > and sync to Jim's V-Drums, that I can record incoming button pushes on > one channel while playing programmed drum sequenced on another > channel. WILL THE AKAI MPC 1000 BE A GOOD CHOICE FOR THIS???? Why > and why not? > > 5. One last question for now. (by the way, THANK YOU in advance, to > all of you who will doubtlessly give me invaluable advice) If I got > myself a second EDP would I be able to have both run in sync and use > one in delay mode and the other in Loop mode? And would the delay be > in sync with one cycle of the loop? > > Please Advise. I am really excited about all this. I have been > thinking about all this for over a year and I am almost in the place > to actually start doing it. This means a lot to me, PLEASE HELP ME > OUT. > > I need to understand, to stand under the light, to be enlightened. > > ---John M. > > I know about pain and suffering and being cold, but I just wanna > .......... ROCK!!!!!!!! > --Apple-Mail-3--105057869 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Didn't most of these already get answered? 1. No--they designed it specifically to not allow this. 2. No, but if you're running Panther you could get Garageband with iLife for $50. 3. No--that pedal will never do that. You need a more full-featured MIDI pedal, like that Behringer thing that everyone's been discussing, or the Rocktron All Access, Digitech PMC-100 or the Roland FC-200 (I believe that's the number). It has to be a pedal that you can program to send note on/off messages. Your pedal only sends program change commands. 4. No idea, but over the years my impression has been that all those sampler boxes are not designed with that sort of live performance capability in mind. 5. Yes, you can set the two EDP's up to do that. If you're looking for a MIDI-syncable delay, there's cheaper options though. And do you really want the delay time on the second EDP to be one cycle of the first, and not something shorter? I have to say that I think you'll run into all sorts of challenges trying to chase the tempo set by your bud on the V-Drums though. TravisH On Jan 22, 2004, at 9:55 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: 0000,0000,0000From: John Metzler < 0000,0000,0000Date: January 22, 2004 9:50:02 PM PST 0000,0000,0000To: Loopers Delight < 0000,0000,0000Subject: 3rd Attempt...Throw me a Bone. Hi every one. I am a longtime enthusiast of this site and have been on and off for the past few years. I am finally in a band where I can actually start doing more than just musical masturbation with my Echoplex. But I have a handful of questions for your seasoned pros. Please feel very free to email me privately at jarofjam@mac.com, but please be nice, too much technical jargon bums me out. First let me start with a list of the type of gear I have and might use with looping, what I want to be able to do, and what I think I might need to achieve some of this. 4967,1748,5CA8What I have (Gear that could be useful to this discussion) -EDP (cream colored) running Loop IV w/EFC-7 -Mackie 1402vlz -Ernie Ball stereo volume pedal (used for EDP Feedback control because of it's 25k ohm pot) -Ernie Ball mono volume pedal (the 250k ohm pot) -RFX MidiBuddy MP128P midi foot pedal (Initially added this so I could instantly jump from loop 1 to loop 7 if need be, but never got it to work) -Alesis QS 7.1 keyboard -Roland MPU64 4X4 usb MIDI interface -MOTU 2X2 Fastlane usb MIDI interface -Flatpanal iMac G4 800Mhz w/ 768 MB of SDRAM -iBook G4 800Mhz w640 MB -Pro Tools 6.2.2 running in Mac OS X 10.3.2 -Boss SE-50 stereo effects processor -A Bass, an Acoustic Guitar w/pick up, and an Electric Guitar. I will be playing bass in the band but I also have lofty solo looping aspirations that I have not yet realized. The drummer in the band,Jim, plays the Roland V-Club kit. I want to be able to have the EDP synced to his drumming and have my button pushes quantized to the tempo. Then I would also like a way to have a pre-programmed midi track send control messeges to the EDP to do all my button pushes for me to help build sound scapes that would otherwise be too hard using just the EFC-7. (Gosh, I hope I explain this stuff well enough to merit some good help and advice) I have had a little bit of luck using Pro Tools as a sequencer. I have been able to have a sequence in pro tools play back some music through my Alesis QS 7.1 and record a MIDI track EDP Button pushes to control the EDP upon playback. Here are a couple of questions I hope to get some useful answers for. 1. Does any one know if there is a way to start up Pro Tools LE 6.2.2 without any Digidesign Hardware hooked up to the computer. I wanted to record some EDP button pushes (EFC-7 moves) on a MIDI track in Pro Tools on my lap top. But it won't open without the Mbox plugged into it. 2. Does anybody know of any free MIDI sequencing software for OSX 10.3.2 that would allow me to do this. 3. I want to be able to access any loop from any other loop in the EDP with the push of only 1 button. This is Why I got the RFX MIDIbuddy foot controller. It has individual buttons numbered 0-9 and a 10up and 10down button. I thought I could plug this in and set it up so that pushing button 3 would jump me straight to 3 and 7 to 7 and so on. I have been unable to do this. Am I doing something wrong or will this foot controller simply not work for this function. HOW CAN I DO THIS??? 4. Please stick with me! Let me explain and then you guys (and Gals) let me know hear what you know and think. I don't know how much I trust software based sequencing programs to use my laptop at a live gig. Computers crash more often then dedicated hardware does. I need a rock solid sequencer that I can use as a drum machine (so I won't have to lug my keyboard just for drum sounds) and an EDP trigger , and sync to Jim's V-Drums, that I can record incoming button pushes on one channel while playing programmed drum sequenced on another channel. WILL THE AKAI MPC 1000 BE A GOOD CHOICE FOR THIS???? Why and why not? 5. One last question for now. (by the way, THANK YOU in advance, to all of you who will doubtlessly give me invaluable advice) If I got myself a second EDP would I be able to have both run in sync and use one in delay mode and the other in Loop mode? And would the delay be in sync with one cycle of the loop? Please Advise. I am really excited about all this. I have been thinking about all this for over a year and I am almost in the place to actually start doing it. This means a lot to me, PLEASE HELP ME OUT. I need to understand, to stand under the light, to be enlightened. ---John M. I know about pain and suffering and being cold, but I just wanna .......... ROCK!!!!!!!! --Apple-Mail-3--105057869-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 23 02:28:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0N7R4B19852; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 02:27:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 02:27:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <86F662D3-4D75-11D8-984F-000393D7CC50@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers Delight From: John Metzler Subject: You're Right, Half the "?"s were Answered..... Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 02:26:57 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com .....and now the other half have been answered. Thanks Everyone. And sorry for not taking out the already answered questions when sending it the 3rd time. You guys are great, thanks for the help. ---John M. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 23 02:32:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0N7TPO20839; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 02:29:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 02:29:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040123072910.18336.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:29:10 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: Favorite EDP MIDI Foot Controler? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <0jrpHC.A.dFF.V1MEAB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What about the Rocktron all access? nobody talks about this one and it seems to do everything the PMC10 lake butler and behringer plus it is still available! there is only one catch: it costs about 5 times the others,ups;-) L.a --- Relay wrote: > -----Original Message----- > John Metzler wants to know-- > This is for anyone who uses a MIDI foot controller > with an EDP. > What one do you use and what do you like about it? > Is the Behringer FCB 1010 the way to go? > Can you asign one expression pedal to be Loop play > back volume and the other > to be Feedback % ? > Can you use the EFC-7 along side a MIDI foot > controller? > > -----> My advice to this guy and others like him-- > Don't kill yourself trying to program something > complicated if your > knowledge is limited. > I had a Lake Butler Mitigator that I managed to > program for a while, then on > the advice of a fellow MIDI musician, I acquired a > PMC-10 by Digitech. At > first it didn't seem easy to program, but it got > easier, especially with > Sean Echevarria's PC editing program called Raymond. > The Behringer has a reputation for being difficult > to program. It is cheap > and available but limited and can be frustrating. > I would advice getting the Lake Butler pedal--it is > long out of production > but very sturdy and evidently still being sold--the > producer named Monk > (Tony Moore's friend--what's his real name? From > Over the Rhine) said he > just bought a backup for $50. If money is not an > object, I say get a PC > 1600x and a MIDI Mouse. If money is way not a > problem, get out your > checkbook and buy a PMC. > Gary > PS The answers to the last two questions are yes > and yes > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 23 02:41:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0N7f5v24885; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 02:41:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 02:41:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040123074058.61391.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:40:58 -0800 (PST) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: SusReplace bug? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20040123072910.18336.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi gang, normally when i use the susReplace function holding the button on my fcb1010 it will replace the previous loop but last night as i was practicing it started fading out the previous loop and replacing it with the new input.Is this a software bug or has anybody experieced this? this would actually be a cool feature! but not the desired one... When i reset the whole enchilada it went back to normal...humm... Louie ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 23 04:27:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0N9P9F00992; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 04:25:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 04:25:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:24:42 +0100 Subject: Re: Favorite EDP MIDI Foot Controler? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8A5EDDA5-4D68-11D8-984F-000393D7CC50@mac.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 04-01-23 06.54, "John Metzler" wrote: > This is for anyone who uses a MIDI foot controller with an EDP. > What one do you use and what do you like about it? > Is the Behringer FCB 1010 the way to go? I'm happy with mine. It's quite huge though. > Can you asign one expression pedal to be Loop play back volume and the > other to be Feedback % ? Yes. > Can you use the EFC-7 along side a MIDI foot controller? Yes. I did that for a while to have more commands instantly available. Then I sold my EFC-7 to a friend who had a plex but no pedal. So now I have to do a little more flipping between FCB banks. -- Best wishes Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 23 08:21:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0NDINT13521; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:18:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:18:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20040123140442.03b2d480@pop.chello.se> X-Sender: mpf7428@pop.chello.se X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:18:34 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: GTC Subject: Re: CD Release hucking... In-Reply-To: <200401230555.i0N5tni17228@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_89804632==.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_89804632==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Miko; I checked out your page at cdbaby.com. Cool. Good going. "The Question" and "The Way That It Goes" were fun. I'd like to hear more. Keep it up. JPW ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Glass Thought Communications "Dedicated to the clear pursuit of excellence" +46 708 940893 http://members.chello.se/gtc/index.htm --=====================_89804632==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Miko;

I checked out your page at cdbaby.com. Cool. Good going. "The Question" and "The Way That It Goes" were fun. I'd like to hear more. Keep it up.

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http://members.chello.se/gtc/index.htm --=====================_89804632==.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 23 08:34:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0NDX7u18371; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:33:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:33:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Favorite EDP MIDI Foot Controler? Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:33:04 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Favorite EDP MIDI Foot Controler? Thread-Index: AcPhgqbOgpOrpD3qSYibcuCnXni5XQAMkozg From: "Glenn Poorman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2004 13:33:04.0571 (UTC) FILETIME=[6DE748B0:01C3E1B5] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i0NDX6k18344 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The All Access is a great pedal and it's easy to program hands free. I don't use it for the EDP only because I use it for several other devices and just didn't have the buttons left over to cover all the EDP functions I like to use. At one point, however (and to address the last question), I used the EFC7 and also used the All Access for some additional EDP functions. Now I use a Roland FC-200 for the EDP. It has worked quite well for me but it also has some limitations so, in a general sense, I can't say "yes go get one". Programming it is a bit of an odd routine also. Oh, one more thing about the All Access. In addition to the expense, it is also quite heavy. Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 2:29 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Favorite EDP MIDI Foot Controler? > > What about the Rocktron all access? nobody talks about > this one and it seems to do everything the PMC10 lake > butler and behringer plus it is still available! there > is only one catch: it costs about 5 times the > others,ups;-) > L.a From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 23 11:11:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0NG7xJ04807; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:07:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:07:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <9F080245D04FD211816900104B79C7344FC8D2@NTSERVER> From: Glenn Finerman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FCB1010 EDP MIDI thru problem? Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:57:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey folks... Just searched through the archives to see if I'm the only one who's experienced this odd problem... apparently I am (yikes!!) I'm using the Behringer FCB1010 to control a pair of EDP's using midi note on/off info. If I connect the FCB1010 midi out directly into the EDP's midi in, everything works fine... But if the midi out from the FCB1010 first goes into one of the midi devices (multi fx) in my rack, then I use the device's midi thru to feed the EDP, the EDP doesn't respond and will sometimes do strange things like go into parameter mode when I try and send a note message... I can't believe this is happening! And it's driving me crazy... help!!! Any ideas? Anyone? Please?? Glenn Fin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 23 11:49:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0NGeq515289; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:40:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:40:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20040123164050.60329.qmail@web21327.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:40:50 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: RE: Favorite EDP MIDI Foot Controler? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Relay wrote: > --the producer named Monk > (Tony Moore's friend--what's his real name? From Over the Rhine) Ric Hordinski __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 23 12:37:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0NHWOa01763; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:32:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:32:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004101c3e1d6$b4b02700$0100a8c0@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <9F080245D04FD211816900104B79C7344FC8D2@NTSERVER> Subject: Re: FCB1010 EDP MIDI thru problem? Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 18:31:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thru is thru it doesnt hit any internal cicuit from the official midi spec """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" A "MIDI THRU" output may be provided if needed, which provides a direct copy of data coming in MIDI IN. For very long chain lengths (more than three instruments), higher-speed optoisolators must be used to avoid additive rise/fall time errors which affect pulse width duty cycle. """""""""""""""""""""" so the question is why do you think its the EDP ? Check your cables Check your cables Check your midi fx does it have a midi out with thru capabilities or is it a "real" thru read EDP's midi thru and analize it with midiOx its not the EDP good luck Claude > Hey folks... > > Just searched through the archives to see if I'm the only one who's > experienced this odd problem... apparently I am (yikes!!) > > I'm using the Behringer FCB1010 to control a pair of EDP's using midi note > on/off info. > If I connect the FCB1010 midi out directly into the EDP's midi in, > everything works fine... > But if the midi out from the FCB1010 first goes into one of the midi devices > (multi fx) in my rack, then I use the device's midi thru to feed the EDP, > the EDP doesn't respond and will sometimes do strange things like go into > parameter mode when I try and send a note message... > > I can't believe this is happening! And it's driving me crazy... help!!! > > Any ideas? Anyone? Please?? > > Glenn Fin > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 23 12:58:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0NHolv08814; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:50:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:50:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:13:40 -0500 From: jlucas@neoprimitive.net Message-Id: <200401231313.i0NDDesl030590@neoprimitive.net> To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FCB1010 EDP MIDI thru problem? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Make sure there's no MIDI echo happening. I'm not sure how this would happen with hardware, but I know that Cakewalk Sonar automatically defaults to MIDI Echo: Automatic, which means that whatever track you have highlighted (selected) receives the signal from any MIDI input and transmits it to the MIDI output defined by the track. Because of the way I have things set up this means that, if I accidentally leave the EDP track selected when I'm playing along with a sequence, when I press a button on the FCB1010 it sends the signal to the EDP and then immediately sends it again through Sonar, which causes the kinds of problems you're describing. What multi-FX box are you using? Including that would probably go a long way towards getting help on the list. -J -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Finerman Sent: Jan 23, 2004 10:57 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FCB1010 EDP MIDI thru problem? Hey folks... Just searched through the archives to see if I'm the only one who's experienced this odd problem... apparently I am (yikes!!) I'm using the Behringer FCB1010 to control a pair of EDP's using midi note on/off info. If I connect the FCB1010 midi out directly into the EDP's midi in, everything works fine... But if the midi out from the FCB1010 first goes into one of the midi devices (multi fx) in my rack, then I use the device's midi thru to feed the EDP, the EDP doesn't respond and will sometimes do strange things like go into parameter mode when I try and send a note message... I can't believe this is happening! And it's driving me crazy... help!!! Any ideas? Anyone? Please?? Glenn Fin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 23 12:59:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0NHu4610764; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:56:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:56:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <9F080245D04FD211816900104B79C7344FC8E2@NTSERVER> From: Glenn Finerman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: FCB1010 EDP MIDI thru problem? Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:44:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Claude; Yes, it does pass the MIDI in signal through an active circuit as stated in the midi spec you copied below. If there wasn't an active circuit involved then it would be just like connecting a patch cable from input to thru (passive) which isn't the case. The midi in signal is being buffered and sent out (thru) an opto isolator. I never said I think the EDP is the cause, the problem is showing up as the EDP doing funny things and not responding. I have checked all my cables, and all the midi devices in my rack which all have true "midi thru" connections. The problem happens regardless of which device midi thru I use. (tried it on 5 different midi devices) What is "midiox" ?? some type of midi monitor program? Does this run on a PC? If so, where can I get a copy... that would be a big help with trouble shooting this problem! Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Claude Voit [mailto:c.voit@vtx.ch] Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 12:31 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FCB1010 EDP MIDI thru problem? thru is thru it doesnt hit any internal cicuit from the official midi spec """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" A "MIDI THRU" output may be provided if needed, which provides a direct copy of data coming in MIDI IN. For very long chain lengths (more than three instruments), higher-speed optoisolators must be used to avoid additive rise/fall time errors which affect pulse width duty cycle. """""""""""""""""""""" so the question is why do you think its the EDP ? Check your cables Check your cables Check your midi fx does it have a midi out with thru capabilities or is it a "real" thru read EDP's midi thru and analize it with midiOx its not the EDP good luck Claude > Hey folks... > > Just searched through the archives to see if I'm the only one who's > experienced this odd problem... apparently I am (yikes!!) > > I'm using the Behringer FCB1010 to control a pair of EDP's using midi note > on/off info. > If I connect the FCB1010 midi out directly into the EDP's midi in, > everything works fine... > But if the midi out from the FCB1010 first goes into one of the midi devices > (multi fx) in my rack, then I use the device's midi thru to feed the EDP, > the EDP doesn't respond and will sometimes do strange things like go into > parameter mode when I try and send a note message... > > I can't believe this is happening! And it's driving me crazy... help!!! > > Any ideas? Anyone? Please?? > > Glenn Fin > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 23 13:39:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0NIWWj25068; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 13:32:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 13:32:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <9F080245D04FD211816900104B79C7344FC8E9@NTSERVER> From: Glenn Finerman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: FCB1010 EDP MIDI thru problem? Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 13:22:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi; Not possible for a midi echo as you describe.. again, this problem is happening with only one midi device connected between the FCB1010 and the EDP. Of course, I can resolve the problem by just making the EDP the first device in the midi chain, but that would still leave me with the haunting question of "why is this happening"!!! I think Claude's suggestion of using a midi monitor is an excellent idea, I'll try and locate one for my PC. Would be a useful tool to have anyway. Glenn Fin The midi devices in my (live guitar rig) rack are; Mesa Triaxis TC Fireworx TC G-force Two EDP's Repeater Eventide Eclipse -----Original Message----- From: jlucas@neoprimitive.net [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net] Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 8:14 AM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FCB1010 EDP MIDI thru problem? Make sure there's no MIDI echo happening. I'm not sure how this would happen with hardware, but I know that Cakewalk Sonar automatically defaults to MIDI Echo: Automatic, which means that whatever track you have highlighted (selected) receives the signal from any MIDI input and transmits it to the MIDI output defined by the track. Because of the way I have things set up this means that, if I accidentally leave the EDP track selected when I'm playing along with a sequence, when I press a button on the FCB1010 it sends the signal to the EDP and then immediately sends it again through Sonar, which causes the kinds of problems you're describing. What multi-FX box are you using? Including that would probably go a long way towards getting help on the list. -J -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Finerman Sent: Jan 23, 2004 10:57 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FCB1010 EDP MIDI thru problem? Hey folks... Just searched through the archives to see if I'm the only one who's experienced this odd problem... apparently I am (yikes!!) I'm using the Behringer FCB1010 to control a pair of EDP's using midi note on/off info. If I connect the FCB1010 midi out directly into the EDP's midi in, everything works fine... But if the midi out from the FCB1010 first goes into one of the midi devices (multi fx) in my rack, then I use the device's midi thru to feed the EDP, the EDP doesn't respond and will sometimes do strange things like go into parameter mode when I try and send a note message... I can't believe this is happening! And it's driving me crazy... help!!! Any ideas? Anyone? Please?? Glenn Fin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 23 13:43:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0NIYHS25651; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 13:34:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 13:34:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c3e1df$97381ee0$54b51345@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <5.1.1.6.0.20040123140442.03b2d480@pop.chello.se> Subject: Re: CD Release hucking... Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:34:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01C3E19C.884B7460" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C3E19C.884B7460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks JPW...=20 I'm working hard on the last few pieces I need to finish my next cd. It = will be less retrospective, have more of the current craze of real-time = chopped and diced loops, as well as be more song based (although the = looping and atmospherics are more intense as well. There are already = about 5 tunes with vocals). I hope to have things ready for release = around April-May.=20 --------------------------------------------- Miko Biffle - biffoz@arczip.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" www.cdbaby.com/biffoz - Biffoz 'Rough' at CDBaby.com=20 www.music.columbia.edu/~cecenter/mhl21/ct/ct.html - Chain Tape = Collective www.powerhat.com/ics - ICS Xray Lodge in Santa Cruz! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: GTC=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 5:18 AM Subject: Re: CD Release hucking... Miko; I checked out your page at cdbaby.com. Cool. Good going. "The = Question" and "The Way That It Goes" were fun. I'd like to hear more. = Keep it up.=20 JPW = ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Glass Thought Communications "Dedicated to the clear pursuit of excellence" +46 708 940893 http://members.chello.se/gtc/index.htm=20 ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C3E19C.884B7460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks JPW...

I'm working hard on the last few pieces = I need to=20 finish my next cd. It will be less retrospective, have more of the = current craze=20 of real-time chopped and diced loops, as well as be more song based = (although=20 the looping and atmospherics are more intense as well. There are already = about 5=20 tunes with vocals). I hope to have things ready for release around = April-May.=20

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