From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 10:01:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA1EwX907224; Sat, 1 Nov 2003 09:58:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 09:58:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c3a088$9b320990$7bdbf218@stirman> From: "Jason Stirman" To: Subject: DL-4 Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 08:58:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a Line6 DL-4 for sale. I have used it maybe 10 times. I bought it on a whim and just never really used it. It is in perfect condition and I'll ship it in original box, with new batteries, manual and all. If you have any questions or want to see a pic just shoot me an e-mail or post on the list. The DL-4 retails at $250, so I'll offer mine for $200. Thanks, Jason stirman@houston.rr.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 15:03:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA1K05O21919; Sat, 1 Nov 2003 15:00:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 15:00:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009701c39f20$abee5900$2e605cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for November 1, 2003 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:58:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0045_01C39EF6.42DB0820" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C39EF6.42DB0820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix = of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 = FM and on the internet. Send me comments if you love or hate what I played. I = also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #32 November 1, 2003. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Orbital Decay Windjam 1999 Orbital Decay (none) Xeroid Entity Tethys Moons of Saturn = (Electromusic) The Ministry of Inside Interlock Lice at the ICA = (Synkronos) Things Jeffry Koepper While We Sleep Etherea (Air Space) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Kaki King Night After Sidewalk Everybody Loves You = (Velour) Rich Stein Unspoken Unspoken (Clearsteer) Rich Stein Ginnie Unspoken (Clearsteer) Aine Minogue Exile Between the Worlds = (RCA) Two Part Invention Musiques Populaires Music from Latin = America Bresilliennes (Bummer Tent) 1. Pacoca 2. Quebra Queixo 3. Piazza Vittorio 4. Algodao Doce 5. Sambossa 6. Pe de Meloque Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Gratto Passage of Time Anakin Tumnus (PMM) Karl Eisenhart All On A Monday [live concert CDR] Salem Hill The Great Stereopticon Be (Lazarus) Salem Hill So Human Be (Lazarus) Kraan Kaffeefahrt Berliner Ring = (Bassball) Kaipa Sonic Pearls Keyholder (InsideOut) * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on November 15. On that show, I = will play the music of some of the bands playing at the next Gathering on = November 15, and at the next Gate to Moonbase Alpha on November 21. Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from = "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to comtemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm Listen on-line to WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM at = http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link. ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C39EF6.42DB0820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who=20 plays
electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an = eclectic mix=20 of other
genres.  The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH=20 Allentown, 91.7 FM and
on the internet.  Send me comments if you = love or=20 hate what I played.  I also
host Afterglow every Thursday from = 8:00 am=20 to 9:30 am.
 
            =    =20     Show #32       =20             November 1, = 2003.
 
Phase I/Space:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Orbital=20 Decay           = Windjam=20 1999           &nb= sp;=20 Orbital Decay (none)
Xeroid=20 Entity          =20 Tethys           &= nbsp;      =20 Moons of Saturn (Electromusic)
The Ministry of Inside =20 Interlock          &nbs= p;    =20 Lice at the ICA (Synkronos)
  Things
Jeffry=20 Koepper          While We=20 Sleep           = Etherea (Air=20 Space)
 
Phase II/Eclectic:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Kaki=20 King           &nb= sp;  =20 Night After Sidewalk     Everybody Loves You=20 (Velour)
Rich=20 Stein           &n= bsp; =20 Unspoken           = ;     =20 Unspoken (Clearsteer)
Rich=20 Stein           &n= bsp; =20 Ginnie           &= nbsp;      =20 Unspoken (Clearsteer)
Aine=20 Minogue           = =20 Exile           &n= bsp;       =20 Between the Worlds (RCA)
Two Part = Invention     =20 Musiques Populaires      Music from Latin=20 America
          &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;  =20 Bresilliennes          =  =20 (Bummer=20 Tent)
          &nbs= p;            = ;=20 1.=20 Pacoca
          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;=20 2. Quebra=20 Queixo
          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;=20 3. Piazza=20 Vittorio
          &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;=20 4. Algodao=20 Doce
           = ;            = =20 5.=20 Sambossa
          &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;=20 6. Pe de Meloque
 
Phase III/Progressive Rock:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Gratto        =          =20 Passage of Time          = Anakin=20 Tumnus (PMM)
Karl=20 Eisenhart          All On A = Monday          [live = concert=20 CDR]
Salem=20 Hill           &nb= sp; =20 The Great Stereopticon   Be (Lazarus)
Salem=20 Hill           &nb= sp; =20 So=20 Human           &n= bsp;    =20 Be=20 (Lazarus)
Kraan         &= nbsp;        =20 Kaffeefahrt          &n= bsp;  =20 Berliner Ring=20 (Bassball)
Kaipa         =          =20 Sonic=20 Pearls           &= nbsp;=20 Keyholder (InsideOut)
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
 
I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on November 15.  On = that show,=20 I will
play the music of some of the bands playing at the next = Gathering on=20 November
15, and at the next Gate to Moonbase Alpha on November = 21.
 
Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am (GMT-5:00).
Phase = 1:=20 Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from = "Beyond
the=20 Barriers."
Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New=20 Age.
Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to comtemporary=20 releases.
Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amf= m
Listen=20 on-line to WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh=20 and
click the REAL AUDIO link.
 ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C39EF6.42DB0820-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 15:25:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA1KMFK26121; Sat, 1 Nov 2003 15:22:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 15:22:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031101202208.10621.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 12:22:08 -0800 (PST) From: Apollonius Reply-To: trancegodz@yahoo.com Subject: Loop Windowing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <13glo.A.AYG.2XBp_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I spent all night experimenting with loop windowing and and couldn't get it to do it at all by multiplying then re-multiplying, but if I did an inset first then re-multiplied it worked. What am I missing here? (And yes I have read the manual from cover to cover a dozen times or more). I need some help from some of you experts. Is loop windowing only available if you are totally unquantized? Or will loop windowing still work if you have the quantize set to any one of the following: LOP, OFF, CYCLE, or 8th? Does it matter how you set the switch quantize, or is that irrelavant for loop windowing? How important is the 8ths/cycle setting for loop windowing? T __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 15:42:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA1Kb4329019; Sat, 1 Nov 2003 15:37:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 15:37:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031101203658.871.qmail@web80606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 12:36:58 -0800 (PST) From: Apollonius Reply-To: trancegodz@yahoo.com Subject: Staying in sync with a drum machine when using half speed and reverse To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How exactly do you get the echoplex to stay in sync with a drum machine when you are using the half speed and reverse buttons a lot? Is this even possible at all? Or is the only thing you can do is let it go out off sync and do a re-align everytime? Does it work better using the echoplex midi out to the drum machine midi in or using Drum machine midi out to echoplex midi in? Or can you do it either way and stay in sync? Do you have to be quantized to stay in sync when using the half speed and reverse buttons? If so what do you have to set the quantize to? If it is possibe, what are all the critical settings to get the echoplex to stay in sync with a running drum machine when you are using the half speed and reverse buttons a lot? I use an echoplex pro with loop IV, the echoplex foot pedal, a Digitech PCM10, and a Boss DR670. T __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 15:55:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA1KqbG32074; Sat, 1 Nov 2003 15:52:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 15:52:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031101205231.87212.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 12:52:31 -0800 (PST) From: Apollonius Reply-To: trancegodz@yahoo.com Subject: Using a Digitech PCM10 with the Echoplex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I want to be sure I am programming my PCM10 correctly to use with the echoplex. Here is an example of how I set a midi string in the PCM10 (example: of half speed). Midi String A 1 program change channel 1 program 1 2 note on channel 1 note 48 C3 velocity 64 mp 3 -------------- Midi String B 1 program change channel 1 program 1 2 note off channel 1 note 48 C3 velocity 0 off 3------------------- Is this the right way to do this? I have all of the buttons of my PCM set this way, just with different note on and off numbers to turn on which ever echoplex virtual EDP buttons, midi commands, or loop triggers, that I want that button to access. Or is there a better way to do this? Do I need to even have the program change in there? Can you use the echoplex footpedal and the Digitech PCM10 at the same time? T __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 18:43:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA1NdJ829416; Sat, 1 Nov 2003 18:39:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 18:39:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007001c3a0e2$379d61e0$0200a8c0@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <20031101231039.35768.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Staying in sync with a drum machine when using half speed and reverse Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 18:39:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > So is there no way to keep it in alignment in the > first place, or will the echoplex just not do that? Uh... What? Double negatives... > I really don't want to have to re-align it every time > it goes out. I want it to stay aligned when using the > half speed or reverse. Is that possible? If so how? I don't know. Try setting it to Sync=In, 8th/Cycle=8, Quantize=CYC, starting your drum machine, getting a one or two bar loop going, and then hitting reverse (not SUSReverse). It should quantize the Reverse press to the next bar line (please be in 4/4). Stop playing and see if it says in sync. If it goes out of sync, try a ReAlign. Might work, might not... Tell us what happens. But, I think the answer to what you want to do is that it is not possible with one Echoplex. You want to play the Reverse game, DoubleSpeed, HalfSpeed, and then come out of it to the point in your loop which is in sync to your drum machine. Basically to mute the loop, do some audio acrobatics, then have the loop unmute to exactly where it would have been had you not fucked it all up with Reverse/HS/DS. >>Think of the EDP more like a tape loop. When you put it in Reverse it plays the memory backwards, so wherever you tell it to move forward from again is where it moves forward from -- unless you do a ReAlign, which will make it jump forward to the start of the loop when it hears the next bar come in from the MIDI clock<< Make sense? ReAligning after every de-alignment is as close as you're going to get, I think. I guess if you had two EDPs you could record the loop into both, and then set up some impossibly complex set of MIDI commands triggered by some MIDI foot pedals, to get one machine to mute while you play with Reverse/HalfSpeed/DoubleSpeed on the other, and then get it to unmute the first machine ... oh god, it makes my head hurt just thinking about it. As if life wasn't already complicated enough. I'm sure Kim will drop in here in a minute and tell me I'm all wrong about this. Please, delete my erroneous mails from the archives. Thanks. ;) -Jesse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Apollonius" To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 4:10 PM Subject: Re: Staying in sync with a drum machine when using half speed and reverse > So is there no way to keep it in alignment in the > first place, or will the echoplex just not do that? > > I really don't want to have to re-align it every time > it goes out. I want it to stay aligned when using the > half speed or reverse. Is that possible? If so how? > > > --- Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > > As I understand it, if you use Reverse and/or > > HalfSpeed, the EDP drops out > > of sync. > > > > If you are going to be doing Reverse/HalfSpeed > > acrobatics, then you probably > > want to use the drum machine as a clock source (i.e. > > MIDI Out from the drum > > machine to MIDI In on the EDP, with Sync=In), so you > > can Re-align to it > > after you get all out of whack with your looping > > gymnastics. > > > > Good luck. > > > > -Jesse From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 20:15:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA21DXw15102; Sat, 1 Nov 2003 20:13:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 20:13:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1067735613.3fa45a3d586f1@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 20:13:33 -0500 From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Staying in sync with a drum machine when using half speed and reverse References: <20031101231039.35768.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> <007001c3a0e2$379d61e0$0200a8c0@amd> In-Reply-To: <007001c3a0e2$379d61e0$0200a8c0@amd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.180.194 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i don't ever remember problems with Reverse when i had an EDP. if i had quantise on, it would lock right up and be the same when i un-reversed the loop. i always thought that was a superior feature of the EDP to the Repeater. because the Repeater doesn't quantise for shit, half-speed and reverse were practically useless to me. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 23:43:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA24fEE19322; Sat, 1 Nov 2003 23:41:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 23:41:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031031192724.01a03d50@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:27:24 -0700 To: trancegodz@yahoo.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Loop Windowing Cc: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20031101202208.10621.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <-0IJU.A.ztE.qrIp_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm using sus unrounded multiply, and creating smaller loop lengths from a larger one. Then, I'll undo, and window through the material and then remultiply larger loop lengths again. -still using sus unrounded multiply. I can then window through that by again, using undo. Does this make sense? This isn't the only way to do this, but it's just the way I usually do. I'm not sure what type of multiply you're using, and how you're using it. Kim or Andre, or others may know more about your particular event. -Best of luck, and have a great night, if I can be of any more help, lemme' know. 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Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 14:51:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA2JkKK18654; Sun, 2 Nov 2003 14:46:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 14:46:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005701c3a17b$681d35e0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Loopers Delight" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Planet Of The Loops Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 14:56:29 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <1RfsCC.A.XjE.M8Vp_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday November 4th - Planet Of The Loops Old and New Loops - An evening of varied looping methods, from the old "Time Lag Accumulator" to modern digital devices. Participants will be James Bailey, Pessi Parviainen, Andrew Yue and Michelangelo Iaffaldano. Come celebrate Pessi's second-last night here before heading back to Turku, Finland, and hear some of the strangest looping you've ever encountered. http://www.geocities.com/energymadeaudible/planet.html Between Sets CD - "A Rainbow In Curved Air" by Terry Riley "At the beginning of the sixties, Pauline Oliveros, Ramon Sender and Terry Riley of the San Francisco Tape Music Center invented a continuous tape echo/feedback system based on 2 tape recorders. Minimalist Terry Riley recorded LPs using this system (he called it 'time-lag accumulator') and played all-night solo concerts. In the seventies, the technology was rediscovered by Brian Eno - he used the time-lag accumulator to create the first works of the new genre 'ambient music' and, together with Robert Fripp, to produce several albums of 'Frippertronics' music." We'll be playing track 2, "Poppy Nogood And The Phantom Band" (21:38), and then, if the interval allows, some of the title track. http://terryriley.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday November 11th - dreamSTATE with Pholde and General Chaos Visuals http://www.dreamstate.to http://www.pholde.com http://www.generalchaosvisuals.com Between Sets CD - "Linger" by James Johnson (Atmoworks) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "In Favour of More Permanent Pleasures" by Pholde By shaping new instruments from various metal sources, Alan Bloor of Pholde creates very unique sounds & environments. 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Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 16:34:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA2LV9905787; Sun, 2 Nov 2003 16:31:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 16:31:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C3A190.B299EAE0@dyn-81-166-18-249.ppp.tiscali.fr> From: Francois LEBRUN To: "loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: begining EDP Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 22:28:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5g1inD.A.QaB.deXp_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, there is one thing I don't know how to do with my EDP. I have set up 4 loops. I record the first, then I Nextloop to the next. This copies my 1st loop but also systematically puts me in recording (or overdub) mode. What I usually like to do (with other loopers) is play over a loop and only start Overdubing (manually or "footually") when I get to play something I like. Currently, everything I play is systematically overdubbed as soon as I enter the next loop, even if I only start playing after the Copy operation is terminated (with either a press on Record or Multiply). My parameters are : Moreloop 4Lp4 Loopcopy snd autorecord OFF SwitchQuant OFF SamplerStyle run OverdubMode tog It seems like Autorecord does not behave like described on page 4-30 of the documentation and I cannot figure out why. What am I missing ? Thanks in advance to all for your help. Francois From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 18:07:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA2N57l24565; Sun, 2 Nov 2003 18:05:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 18:05:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <02c801c3a003$b38093c0$01e65cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Monthly Top 20 Report for October, 2003 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:06:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02C0_01C39FD9.BD709EE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02C0_01C39FD9.BD709EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 for October, 2003. Shows #341 to #345; 2-October-2003 to 30-October-2003 Reported in non-ranked order. Compiled by Bill Fox http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D A Produce and Ruben Garcia - Early Sessions - TrancePort ARC - Blaze - DiN Bluetech - Prima Materia - Waveform Cipher - No Ordinary Man - Hidden Art James Johnson - Linger - AtmoWorks Jeff Greinke - Weather from Another Planet - FWD Jeffrey Koepper - Etherea - Air Space Michael Stearns - Collected Ambient and Textural Works - Fathom Michael Stearns - Collected Thematic Works - Fathom Michael Stearns - Plunge - Groove Michael Stearns - Sustaining Cylinders - Fathom Michael Stearns - The Storm - Spotted Peccary Mojave Wind - Ricochet Gathering Mojave 2003 Demo Sessions - none Radio Massagre International - Solid States - Northern Echo Steve Roach - Space and Time - Projekt Telomere - Astral Currents - Evenfall Under the Dome - Wot No Colin? - Neu Harmony Various Artists - Different Skies 2003 - Atomic City Various Artists - Four A.D. - Waveform vidnaObmana - An Opera for Four Fusion Works Act 2: Phrasing the Air - = Hypnos ++ ++ Advanced CDR from the artist Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. = Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in = Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are = GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This = Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday = at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm = http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click = REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are = GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us ------=_NextPart_000_02C0_01C39FD9.BD709EE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 for October, 2003.
Shows #341 to = #345;=20 2-October-2003 to 30-October-2003
Reported in non-ranked = order.
Compiled=20 by Bill Fox
http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emu= sic
 

ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE -=20 LABEL
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
A=20 Produce and Ruben Garcia - Early Sessions - TrancePort
ARC - Blaze -=20 DiN
Bluetech - Prima Materia - Waveform
Cipher - No Ordinary Man - = Hidden=20 Art
James Johnson - Linger - AtmoWorks
Jeff Greinke - Weather from = Another=20 Planet - FWD
Jeffrey Koepper - Etherea - Air Space
Michael Stearns = -=20 Collected Ambient and Textural Works - Fathom
Michael Stearns - = Collected=20 Thematic Works - Fathom
Michael Stearns - Plunge - Groove
Michael = Stearns=20 - Sustaining Cylinders - Fathom
Michael Stearns - The Storm - Spotted = Peccary
Mojave Wind - Ricochet Gathering Mojave 2003 Demo Sessions -=20 none
Radio Massagre International - Solid States - Northern = Echo
Steve=20 Roach - Space and Time - Projekt
Telomere - Astral Currents -=20 Evenfall
Under the Dome - Wot No Colin? - Neu Harmony
Various = Artists -=20 Different Skies 2003 - Atomic City
Various Artists - Four A.D. -=20 Waveform
vidnaObmana - An Opera for Four Fusion Works Act 2: Phrasing = the Air=20 - Hypnos ++
 
++ Advanced CDR from the artist
 
Bill
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Host=20 of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space  music  = show.  =20 Thursdays  at
11  pm  on  WDIY  88.1  = FM, =20 Allentown  and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton=20 and
Phillipsburg.     http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic<= /A>       =20 All times are GMT-5:00
Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN
To = subscribe to=20 the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to
http://groups.yahoo.co= m/group/emusic-wdiy =20 and  click  on  [Join  This  Group!]
Host of = the=20 AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown  91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 = am.
Host=20 of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30.
http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amf= m         =20 http://soundscapes.us/~bil= l/afterglow
Listen=20 on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh =20 and click  REAL AUDIO
Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill = ;            =  =20 All times are GMT-5:00
SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us
 ------=_NextPart_000_02C0_01C39FD9.BD709EE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 20:44:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA31fSq19167; Sun, 2 Nov 2003 20:41:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 20:41:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20031102174323.0227a538@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 17:46:05 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: begining EDP In-Reply-To: <01C3A190.B299EAE0@dyn-81-166-18-249.ppp.tiscali.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <-TR81B.A.YrE.IJbp_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It sounds to me like you have the Loop/Delay parameter set to Delay. You probably want it on Loop. kim At 01:28 PM 11/2/2003, Francois LEBRUN wrote: >Currently, everything I play is systematically overdubbed as soon as I >enter the next loop, >even if I only start playing after the Copy operation is terminated (with >either a press on Record or >Multiply). ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 04:06:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA392WW27983; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 04:02:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 04:02:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C3A1F1.45DB5C20@dyn-195-242-115-21.ppp.tiscali.fr> From: Francois LEBRUN To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: begining EDP - Loop Delay on Loop did the trick ! Brilliant ! Thans A LOT Kim :-) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 09:58:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01C3A1F1.45E483E0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01C3A1F1.45E483E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----Message d'origine----- De: Kim Flint [SMTP:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Date: lundi 3 novembre 2003 02:46 =C0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: Re: begining EDP It sounds to me like you have the Loop/Delay parameter set to Delay. 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Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3A20D.6D6F2160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>i always thought that was a superior feature of the EDP to the Repeater. because the Repeater doesn't quantise for shit, half-speed and reverse were practically useless to me.<< don't want to start a fight or anything- maybe your experiences with the repeater were with an early version or something, but I've had no problems with reversing and changing speed. in fact, it's quite entertaining the way the repeater tries to get back in sync. it definitely gets there eventually though, and when you think about what it's doing, it's really quite elegant. it has an easier time of it when there's an external clock, but it tries it's damnedest even with just incoming audio to keep it on track. d/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>i always thought that was a superior feature of t= he EDP to the Repeater. because
the Repeater doesn't quantise for shit, half-speed and r= everse were practically
useless to me.<<

don't want to start a fight or anything- maybe your exper= iences with the repeater were with an early version or something, but I've = had no problems with reversing and changing speed. in fact, it's quite ente= rtaining the way the repeater tries to get back in sync. it definitely gets= there eventually though, and when you think about what it's doing, it's re= ally quite elegant. it has an easier time of it when there's an external cl= ock, but it tries it's damnedest even with just incoming audio to keep it o= n track.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C3A20D.6D6F2160-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 11:18:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA3GCgV00405; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:12:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:12:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20031103081258.02285250@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 08:17:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Staying in sync with a drum machine when using half speed and reverse In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533C1D@LON-MAIL07> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:21 AM 11/3/2003, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >>i always thought that was a superior feature of the EDP to the > Repeater. because >the Repeater doesn't quantise for shit, half-speed and reverse were >practically >useless to me.<< > >don't want to start a fight or anything- maybe your experiences with the >repeater were with an early version or something, but I've had no problems >with reversing and changing speed. in fact, it's quite entertaining the >way the repeater tries to get back in sync. it definitely gets there >eventually though, He was talking about quantizing, not synchronizing. Different things. The echoplex has the option where functions can be quantized to the loop start, cycle points, or cycle subdivisions. Or they can be executed instantly. The Repeater didn't have that option. If you are synchronizing to a clock, having functions like reverse quantized makes life a lot easier. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 11:26:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA3GPIs02718; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:25:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:25:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003701c3a226$f090bc20$c101b3d8@ws1> From: "Brian Carabee" To: References: <01C3A190.B299EAE0@dyn-81-166-18-249.ppp.tiscali.fr> Subject: Just bought a Boomerang...Wow! Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:24:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello All, I've been lurling here for a while, and I thought I'd come out of the woodwork now that I've taken delivery on a Boomerang phrase sampler. I thought this would be a good unit to get my feent wet, and wow! I'm really impressed with what it can do, I thought looping would be extremely hard to master, but I'm relieved to see that I really seem to be able to do some decent things with it already. I don't see many Rang posts on this list. I was wondering if there are any other users out there? Have a great day, Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 11:31:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA3GT4603439; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:29:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:29:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003701c3a228$39fcdb90$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: Subject: Re: Repeater gain staging tips (Was: RE: evangelize EDP please) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 10:33:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i am using both a tube pre and a 160a compressor before it, but i am also using a couple of other things (particularly, a filter factory) between the two. i like a nice strong pump into my filter factory, but i find that post compression steps on really dynamic filter work. this is all for vocals anyway. i guess that i'll have to try and start from scratch with my guitar input, again. also, from what i've been reading, some repeaters are noisier than others and maybe i got one that is a little more noisy. it is an absolutely wonder piece of equipment and completely unique in it's capabilities, in a standalone unit at any rate. i will simply have to continue honing my sound for it. thanks for all of the responses, (this list rocks) lance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Barrs" To: Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 1:22 PM Subject: Repeater gain staging tips (Was: RE: evangelize EDP please) > > From: Greg House [mailto:ghunicycle@yahoo.com] > > > > --- Lance Chance wrote: > > > man, you are the second guy to mention my gain stages. i > > guess i'll have > > > to go home and tweek that stuff some more to see if i'm missing > > something. > > > say, are you fellows using a compressor on the input of the > > thing? maybe > > > that's my problem. > > > > I don't, but I do use a preamp (line level output) before it gets to the > > Repeater. Either a DG Stomp, or an old Roland GP16. The Repeater > > then feeds > > either a professional mix console or a power amp directly. > > > > Greg > > A few of the Roland VG-88 patches I use have a little compression added as > an effect in the patch, and the distorted guitar patches have a simulated > "tube overdrive compression." But I also use the Repeater with my acoustic > guitar pickup output with no compression, and that's a very dynamic signal. > I just try to make sure that my levels are set barely under the clipping > point. That's critical for pushing down the noise floor (especially in a > 16-bit system like this). Get those input levels hot! > > If you can't get a hot enough input level without lighting up the clip > LED's, then you could try throwing a limiter ahead of the Repeater's inputs. > That will tame the peaks and let you run a hotter input. Even a good limiter > will mess with your attack transients though, so I'd only use this idea as a > last resort. > > I think it's also a good idea to avoid using the instrument input on the > front panel. I have a feeling the preamp on that circuit isn't super-high > quality. Like Greg, I have a preamp (Roland VG-88) ahead of the Repeater, > and I use the stereo line inputs on the back of the Repeater. > > One final tip -- I know this sounds dumb, but make sure the Line/Phono > button on the back panel is in the out position, if you're using those line > inputs. It's easy to accidentally press that button when you're groping > around inside a rack case making cable connections. > > -- > Mike Barrs > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 11:36:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA3GY8b04352; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:34:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:34:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C3A230.5DBE7A40@dyn-195-242-115-21.ppp.tiscali.fr> From: Francois LEBRUN To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Just bought a Boomerang...Wow! Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 17:31:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01C3A230.5DBE7A40" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01C3A230.5DBE7A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Brian welcome to the club, glad to read from you. I also started looping with a Boomerang about 5 weeks ago=20 and I was exactly like you : absolutely stunned at the pleasure I got from the thing just after 1h00 or so playing it !!! I noticed too there are not so many Boomerang posts.=20 Either there are not too many people using it ( ??), or ...=20 they are too busy enjoying it to have questions to ask ! I hope your post will get other 'Rangers to "come out". I'm sure we'll be in touch via mail soon. All the best=20 Francois -----Message d'origine----- De: Brian Carabee [SMTP:compguy@bestweb.net] Date: lundi 3 novembre 2003 17:24 =C0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: Just bought a Boomerang...Wow! Hello All, I've been lurling here for a while, and I thought I'd come out of the woodwork now that I've taken delivery on a Boomerang phrase sampler. I thought this would be a good unit to get my feent wet, and wow! I'm = really impressed with what it can do, I thought looping would be extremely hard to master, but I'm relieved to = see that I really seem to be able to do some decent things with it already. = I don't see many Rang posts on this list. I was wondering if there are any other users out there? 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Mon, 3 Nov 2003 13:46:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 13:46:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-4.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1067885194!4372146 X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.13; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533C26@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Staying in sync with a drum machine when using half speed and reverse Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 18:41:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3A23A.0BED9BB0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3A23A.0BED9BB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>He was talking about quantizing, not synchronizing. Different things. The echoplex has the option where functions can be quantized to the loop start, cycle points, or cycle subdivisions. Or they can be executed instantly. The Repeater didn't have that option. If you are synchronizing to a clock, having functions like reverse quantized makes life a lot easier.<< ah. ok. d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>He was talking about quantizing, not synchronizing. Different things. The
echoplex has the option where functions can be quantized to the loop start,
cycle points, or cycle subdivisions. Or they can be executed instantly. The
Repeater didn't have that option.

If you are synchronizing to a clock, having functions like reverse
quantized makes life a lot easier.<<

ah. ok.

d.



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3A23A.0BED9BB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 14:27:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA3JLpS01718; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 14:21:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 14:21:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: OT: Ebay Spam Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:21:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcOiP7p2wiTTTda0ThixDqRbNnyBpg== Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If anybody is interested I have a few old videos up on Ebay. David Torn's Painting with Guitar - both volumes: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41634&item=3360204276 And Adrian Belew's Electronic Guitar: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1472&item=3360202199 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 14:31:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA3JUCd03975; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 14:30:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 14:30:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 20:30:08 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Just bought a Boomerang...Wow! X-Mailer: Virtual Access by Atlantic Coast PLC, http://www.atlantic-coast.com/va Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <003701c3a226$f090bc20$c101b3d8@ws1> References: <01C3A190.B299EAE0@dyn-81-166-18-249.ppp.tiscali.fr> <003701c3a226$f090bc20$c101b3d8@ws1> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: <-W4YTD.A.-9.Ezqp_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Brian, I've been using a Boomerang for about six months. Great fun! I think there aren't many posts about the 'rang here because, well, there isn't much to say is there!? You press Record, then Record again, Stack as required ... end of story. -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 15:33:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA3KSI016812; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:28:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:28:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <116.2ac7529c.2cd81457@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:28:07 EST Subject: Re: Just bought a Boomerang...Wow! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_116.2ac7529c.2cd81457_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_116.2ac7529c.2cd81457_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/3/03 11:26:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, compguy@bestweb.net writes: > are any > other users out there? > > yepper brian.....i love my rang more and more everyday.....perhaps there are not so many "RANG" posts because it is so simple to use, very few problems.....also, i have always maintained that one can not have too many loopers. at present i have several other boxes that loop: zoom 2100 (three 5 second loops available at once), alesis Qudra-Verb 2 (up to 5 seconds of loop.....alesis "ineko'' gives me some loopage.....electrix Mo-Fx's delay is about a 3-4 second looper (i find this to be a very usefull tool) and lastly my CZ-5000 has an 8 trak sequencer (dare i call it a looper?.....:).....none of these items are "midifyed" so they are not insink, never the less, i can have a wild loop orgy with my bad self and my RANG.....i know you will love your "RANG" it will do quite a bit.....how do you have it set up in your system?.....i'd love to hear more rang ideas.....michael --part1_116.2ac7529c.2cd81457_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 11/3/0= 3 11:26:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, compguy@bestweb.net writes:


are any
other users out there?



yepper brian.....i love my rang more and more everyday.....perhaps there are= not so many "RANG" posts because it is so simple to use, very few problems.= ....also, i have always maintained that one can not have too many loopers. a= t present i have several other boxes that loop: zoom 2100 (three 5 second lo= ops available at once), alesis Qudra-Verb 2 (up to 5 seconds of loop.....ale= sis "ineko'' gives me some loopage.....electrix Mo-Fx's delay is about a 3-4= second looper (i find this to be a very usefull tool) and lastly my CZ-5000= has an 8 trak sequencer (dare i call it a looper?.....:).....none of these=20= items are "midifyed" so they are not insink, never the less, i can have a wi= ld loop orgy with my bad self and my RANG.....i know you will love your "RAN= G" it will do quite a bit.....how do you have it set up in your system?.....= i'd love to hear more rang ideas.....michael --part1_116.2ac7529c.2cd81457_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 15:43:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA3KdWi19093; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:39:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:39:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <157.26f018b7.2cd816e9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:39:05 EST Subject: Re: Just bought a Boomerang...Wow! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_157.26f018b7.2cd816e9_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_157.26f018b7.2cd816e9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/3/03 2:30:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, iep@mail.dk writes: > You press Record, then Record again, > Stack as required ... end of story. > i dare say ... begining of story!.....:).....michael --part1_157.26f018b7.2cd816e9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 11/3/0= 3 2:30:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, iep@mail.dk writes:


You press Record, then Record a= gain,
Stack as required ... end of story. <g>


i dare say ... begining of story!.....:).....michael --part1_157.26f018b7.2cd816e9_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 17:02:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA3LxMM08650; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 16:59:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 16:59:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <142.1bb2114b.2cd829ab@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 16:59:07 EST Subject: Pseudo Buddha cd release spam To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "3 Months in Fat City" (www.dogfingers.com) is out!!!! Four pieces that range from 9:29 to 32:09 minutes in length. Features "Bob Dog" in "flaming guitar mode", Joe Reyes on "The Oudcaster", to name a few. Price is $12.00 (including shipping in U.S.). $15.00 to Europe. Peace, James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 17:58:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA3MsD120173; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 17:54:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 17:54:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FA6DFA9.A86FABD6@erols.com> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 18:07:21 -0500 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: NJ looping gigs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here is a list of my November solo/looping shows. John Mazzarella vocals/acoustic guitar/electric guitar/lap steel slide guitar/EDP loopage Friday, November 7th, 8pm-11pm @ The Town Grind 25 East Main Street Denville, NJ 973-625-9666 Saturday, November 15th, 8pm-11pm @ Sweet Dreams Cafe 42 Lincoln Place Madison, NJ 973-377-2010 Saturday, November 22nd, 10pm-12am @ Tumulty's Pub 361 George Street New Brunswick, NJ 732-545-6205 Hope to see you at a show, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 18:12:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA3N8Lh24135; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 18:08:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 18:08:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "David Swain" To: "Loopers Delight mailing list" Subject: Ebay spam - eventide orville Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 23:08:13 -0000 Message-ID: <000401c3a25f$5e88c3c0$6501a8c0@davidkm1v2z886> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C3A25F.5E88C3C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2003 23:08:19.0384 (UTC) FILETIME=[5EE00B80:01C3A25F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C3A25F.5E88C3C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HYPERLINK "http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2570050571&categor y=23790&rd=1"http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=257005 0571&category=23790&rd=1 David Swain HYPERLINK "mailto:d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk"d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk HYPERLINK "http://www.davidswain.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk"http://www.davidswain.pwp.bl ueyonder.co.uk --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 23/10/2003 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C3A25F.5E88C3C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C3A25F.5E88C3C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 18:15:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA3N2Z722880; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 18:02:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 18:02:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 15:02:31 -0800 From: Bob Amstadt Reply-To: Bob Amstadt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New free forums for looping discussion Message-ID: <3007464.1067871751@[192.168.1.174]> In-Reply-To: <170585048.1067473623@[192.168.1.174]> References: <170585048.1067473623@[192.168.1.174]> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.2.1 (Win32) X-Habeas-SWE-1: winter into spring X-Habeas-SWE-2: brightly anticipated X-Habeas-SWE-3: like Habeas SWE (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). The sender of this X-Habeas-SWE-6: email in exchange for a license for this Habeas X-Habeas-SWE-7: warrant mark warrants that this is a Habeas Compliant X-Habeas-SWE-8: Message (HCM) and not spam. Please report use of this X-Habeas-SWE-9: mark in spam to . MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just realized that the link that I gave everyone doesn't work. Eventually it will, but at the moment the forums can found at http://www.bassviews.com/phpBB2/index.php?c=7 Although I am a bass player, I welcome all loopers to use the forums as you like. Use of the forums are free and you are welcome to use them to announce your gig dates and CD releases, to buy or sell gear, or to discuss any topics of interest to loopers. Best wishes to all of you, Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 18:37:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA3NZkE29582; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 18:35:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 18:35:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: OT: Radio Burst Produced by the Oct. 28, 2003, X 17.2 Solar Flare Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:35:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01C3A220.259DD620" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcOiYzGtzqHCq2fjQ/myKg4vII3efw== Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C3A220.259DD620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry for the 2 off topic posts in one day but I thought some of you would be interested in hearing this. http://www-pw.physics.uiowa.edu/space-audio/t2003_301_11.html ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C3A220.259DD620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C3A220.259DD620-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 19:24:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA40LMl08665; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 19:21:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 19:21:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031104002120.44719.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 16:21:20 -0800 (PST) From: dylan Reply-To: dylanhassinger@yahoo.com Subject: more for sale: tc electronics d-two, rolls line mixer, harmonizer, and more To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi there, sorry to bother y'all again, but i added some more looping-related stuff to my "fall cleaning" sale and thought somebody here might be interested. here are my auctions: http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=dylanhassinger&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50 what i've got up for grabs: * TC Electronics D-TWO -- great condition * Rolls RM203x stereo line mixer -- perfect, $90 no reserve * 49 key MIDI controller, $40 no reserve * Digitech Vocalist VR harmonizer-- perfect, $150 NR * EMU XL-1 Xtreme Lead synth -- $190 NR * EMU Techno Synth Yard ROM chip * Vestax DCR1200 Frequency Isolator / Kill Switch / X-over --> can be used to remove vocals from tracks! i am an honest looper/seller who will treat you right. sorry for the FS spam, thanks for reading. loop on, dylan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 22:39:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA43aZr17084; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:36:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:36:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.119.194.169] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: San Francisco / Oakland Voice & Electronics 2 Night Thingy Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 19:36:28 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Nov 2003 03:36:28.0646 (UTC) FILETIME=[D4D29860:01C3A284] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The San Francisco / Oakland Voice & Electronics 2 Night Thingy Matt Davignon presents 2 evenings of music by vocalists and the people who manipulate them. Singers range from death metal vocalists to 20th century contemporary people to spoken word artists. Processors are using everything from guitar pedals to laptop computers, and must focus on working with the sounds of the singer's voice. Each set includes at least one of each! Night 1: Thursday, Nov 6 2003    8:00 PM         $6-10       (One of Matt's first Thursdays at the Luggage Store) Luggage Store Series @ 509 Cultural Center 509 Ellis St. (between Hyde & Leavenworth) -Jesse Quattro & Joseph Zitt processed by Andre Custodio -Ron Heglin processed by Tim Perkis -Bob Marsh processed by David Slusser -Beth Lisick processed by Eli Crews Night 2: Tuesday, Nov 11 2003 8:00 PM     $7-10 The Oakland Box Theater 1928 Telegraph Avenue (at 19th St) Oakland -Amy X Neuburg and Herb Heinz processed by Amy X Neuburg and Herb Heinz -Rick Walker processed by Bill Walker -Aurora Rising processed by Bob Boster -Dina Emerson processed by Lance Grabmiller Bios: Beth Lisick is a writer and performer living in Berkeley. She is the author of Monkey Girl and the upcoming short story collection This Too Can Be Yours due out on Manic D Press this fall. Eli Crews has a Master's degree from one of the unusual music programs at Mills College. He's also played bass for bands like Spezza Rotto and Shinola. As a duo with Beth Lisick (they're married!), he'll be doing "electronic things with and around her voice" as she tells stories. Bob Marsh has been vocalizing since shortly after birth. Her prefers sounds to words, but likes the sound of some words, the words of some sounds and the sounds of things. Composer and sound designer, David Slusser plays horns and electronics in a deliberate, challenging way. He has worked often as a music editor for directors Francis Coppola, George Lucas and David Lynch. He has composed for documentaries and public radio, as well as his jazz group Rubber City. Ron Heglin is a trombonist and vocalist doing compositional and improvised music. He has studied at the Center For World Music, Ali Akbar Khan College, and Indian Vocal Music with Pandit Pran Nath. Mr. Heglin has performed in ensemble and solo throughout Europe and the United States. Tim Perkis has been working in the medium of live electronic and computer sound for many years, largely concerned with exploring the emergence of life-like properties in complex systems of interaction. A founder of the computer music band The Hub, he is also a well known performer in the San Francisco Bay Area's active improvised music scene, and a designer of multimedia systems for corporate clients. www.perkis.com Jesse Quattro is a vocalist, composer and writer. She is the lead singer of heavy metal group Carniceria, new sonic improv group The Abstractions, and thrash-improv band Saint of Killers. Joseph Zitt's vocal performance combines a background in traditional synagogue and world musics with a mastery of extended vocal techniques. While he often approaches performance non-verbally, focusing on the vocal sounds themselves rather than the meanings of words, he also includes moving and surprising uses of text in work that straddles the line between music and poetry. In his solo and ensemble performances and workshops, he works to create music that is both complex and clear, exemplifying the best that each person can bring to free and structured improvisation. www.josephzitt.com Andre Custodio is a San Francisco born Electroacoustic Multi-Instrumentalist, performing in in projects Nihil Communication, Tri-Cornered Tent Show, Say Bok Gwai, Slither Syndicate, Rudis/Custodio/Diaz-Infante Trio and various other ensembles around the SFBA. http://home.comcast.net/~custodio2/ Dina Emerson is a vocalist specializing in new music & new opera. Since 1990 she has been a member of the Meredith Monk Vocal Ensemble, recording & touring the USA, Europe and Asia. Dina has also been a lead singer with Cirque du Soleil, for the shows "O" and Mystere." Other artists with whom she has worked include Tan Dun, David Soldier, John Kelly & Co., Nam Jun Paik, Miya Masaoka, Ken Butler, Nick Brooke and the Bay Area noise band The Abstractions. Trying to bridge the gap between modern electronic music and improvisation, Lance Grabmiller has earned himself a place among the bay area's top laptop improvisers. He has been sighted in the last year processing the sounds of live performers, busy intersections and piles of junk. www.praemedia.com Originally from Portland, Oregon, Aurora moved to Oakland in 1992 to attend Mills College, there she studied Voice with Donna Peterson and composition with Alvin Curran. She has performed with the Contemporary Performance Ensemble under Steed Cowart and William Winant (including performances with James Tenney, Christian Wolff & Pauline Oliveros), George Lewis' Ensemble, Alvin Curran, Xopher Davidson, Elizabeth Gray, Danielle DeGruttola, Matt Ingalls, Henry Kaiser, Miya Masoaka, John Shiurba, Damon Smith and Andrew Voight. www.Aurorarising.com Bob Boster is a musician and artist working primarily with electronic instruments and/or cultural flotsam. Some might know his alter-ego Mr. Meridies, or have heard his work in the Armageddon String Ensemble or RAJAR. Having lived and made weird noises in Chapel Hill, Detroit, and London during his musical career, Bob returns for his second tour of duty in the Bay Area, having initially been lured here by the Mills musical magnet in the mid-90's. This collaboration marks his creative reunion with the illustrious Aurora and promises fun for the whole family.... Probably the West Coast's most enthusiastic advocate of "looping music", Rick Walker makes a rare appearance performing solely as a vocalist. He has an extensive repertoire of vocal techniques at his command: overtone singing, warble singing, trill singing, guttural singing, hum-whistling, mouth percussion and effects, yodeling and pygmy bottle blowing/falsetto singing. www.looppool.info Bill Walker is a gifted guitarist, composer, and electronic musician whose career spans 25 years. Bill uses loop recorders, guitar synthesizer, and signal processing with great skill and creativity, and will use these talents to process his brother Rick's voice. Though not a candidate for the California Gubernatorial Recall, Bill is setting his sites on the next election, where his innovative platform will include, re-instating music programs in schools, mandatory daily massage sessions for all Californians and mandatory street dancing for all law enforcement personnel. Amy X Neuburg's main schtick is her "avant-cabaret" for voice and electronics; she also composes for dance and other media, and sings in contemporary music-theatre. Past highlights include solo concerts in the Other Minds (SF) and Bang on a Can (NYC) festivals, international touring with Robert Ashley's operas, and 10 years of "Amy X Neuburg & Men." Her fourth CD "Residue" will be released soon-ish on Other Minds Records. www.isproductions.com/amy. Apparently average guy Herb Heinz actually spends most of his life making psycho-pop CDs like the really almost nearly finished "Another." He does occasionally leave the house, but only to do stuff like play with his improv hippy art band "dud," or to do this --- whatever it is.... www.isproductions.com/herb _________________________________________________________________ Is your computer infected with a virus? Find out with a FREE computer virus scan from McAfee. Take the FreeScan now! http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 23:34:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA44XB726261; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 23:33:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 23:33:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ad01c3a29d$9ab452e0$0200a8c0@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: Subject: EDP NextLoop Bug??? Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 23:33:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <2yOrBC.A.OaG.Gwyp_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's my pertinent Parameters... MoreLoops=5 LoopCopy=OFF AutoRecord=On SwitchQuant=CYC SamplerStyle=StA Source#=36 (factory default) Quantize=CYC 8th/Cycle=8 Sync=In I am controlling the EDP with a Behringer FCB1010. I record a loop in Loop1, hit NextLoop (MIDI Note 44) on beat three of a bar, when the next bar line comes the EDP switches to Loop2 and begins recording, as it should. I end the loop by pressing record on beat three of a bar, the EDP quantizes that press to the next cycle point and begins playback. This is all fine and normal and makes sense. Here's where the problem arises. I want to get back to Loop1 so I tried pressing NextLoop four times the bar before I want to be in Loop1, which should go L3, L4, L5, L1 ooo and then play the loop at the next bar line (the sequence is in 4/4) But for some reason it goes on to L4, starts recording, and then in the middle of the next measure jumps to L5 and starts recording. Bleh. So, I tried setting AutoRecord=OFF. It doesn't hang on L4, and L5 and try recording to them, but it starts playing L1 on the fourth press of NextLoop for some reason (all four presses occur in the space of one bar). If I use DirectMIDI 84 to trigger L1 on beat one of the bar in which I wish to hear it, the loop triggers late for some reason. If I trigger it in the bar before, it starts early. The only thing that does work is to use SamplerStyle=Att and write a 34-beat (eight bars, which is how long the loop needs to play) note 84 into the sequencer starting on beat one of the bar. But, if I'm correct, commands like SUSMute don't work while What the hell? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 23:41:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA44eYT27206; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 23:40:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 23:40:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mpf7428@pop.chello.se Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <017601c39f02$b8c3da60$d520fea9@trucknutz> References: <017601c39f02$b8c3da60$d520fea9@trucknutz> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 05:40:52 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jair-Rohm Wells Subject: Re: London looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com High; This sounds very interesting. Please keep the info coming. London is just a stones throw away from Stockholm and i'd love to participate. Jair-Rohm -- Jair-Rohm Parker Wells Doer Glass Thought Communications "Records for people to listen to at home" http://members.chello.se/gtc/index.htm Phone: +46 708 940893 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 23:57:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA44suA28977; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 23:54:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 23:54:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c3a28f$d5c6bb60$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <017601c39f02$b8c3da60$d520fea9@trucknutz> Subject: Re: London looping Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 23:55:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out007.verizon.net from [68.163.181.168] at Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:54:49 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com what kind of stones are you throwing? :-)) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jair-Rohm Wells" To: Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:40 PM Subject: Re: London looping > High; > > This sounds very interesting. Please keep the info coming. London is > just a stones throw away from Stockholm and i'd love to participate. > > Jair-Rohm > -- > Jair-Rohm Parker Wells > Doer > Glass Thought Communications > "Records for people to listen to at home" > http://members.chello.se/gtc/index.htm > Phone: +46 708 940893 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 01:11:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA465ws13123; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 01:05:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 01:05:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 06:10:57 +0000 Subject: Re: London looping From: "jeremy" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3150771058_161282_MIME_Part" Message-Id: Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3150771058_161282_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thanks for getting in touch - I'll keep you posted. Best wishes j jeremy http://www.masse.org.uk +44 7941 428 122 ---------- From: Jair-Rohm Wells To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: London looping Date: Tue, Nov 4, 2003, 4:40 am High; This sounds very interesting. Please keep the info coming. London is just a stones throw away from Stockholm and i'd love to participate. Jair-Rohm -- Jair-Rohm Parker Wells Doer Glass Thought Communications "Records for people to listen to at home" http://members.chello.se/gtc/index.htm Phone: +46 708 940893 --MS_Mac_OE_3150771058_161282_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: London looping Thanks for getting in touch - I'll keep you posted.

Best wishes

j

jeremy
http://www.masse.org.uk
+44 7941 428 122


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From: Jair-Rohm Wells <gtc@chello.se>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: London looping
Date: Tue, Nov 4, 2003, 4:40 am


High;

This sounds very interesting. Please keep the info coming. London is
just a stones throw away from Stockholm and i'd love to participate.

Jair-Rohm
--
Jair-Rohm Parker Wells
Doer
Glass Thought Communications
"Records for people to listen to at home"
http://members.chello.se/gtc/index.htm
Phone: +46 708 940893





--MS_Mac_OE_3150771058_161282_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 02:03:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA471Zh20635; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 02:01:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 02:01:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20031103225555.03e5f008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 23:05:59 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Using a Digitech PCM10 with the Echoplex In-Reply-To: <20031101205231.87212.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:52 PM 11/1/2003, Apollonius wrote: >I want to be sure I am programming my PCM10 correctly >to use with the echoplex. > >Here is an example of how I set a midi string in the >PCM10 (example: of half speed). > >Midi String A > >1 program change > channel 1 > program 1 > >2 note on > channel 1 > note 48 C3 > velocity 64 mp > >3 -------------- > >Midi String B > >1 program change > channel 1 > program 1 > >2 note off > channel 1 > note 48 C3 > velocity 0 off > >3------------------- > >Is this the right way to do this? You don't need to have it send the program change, unless for some reason you always want to change presets whenever you do this command. In any case, you don't need the second program change with the note off. >Do I need to even have the program change in there? probably not. >Can you use the echoplex footpedal and the Digitech >PCM10 at the same time? yes. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 02:20:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA47IKA22919; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 02:18:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 02:18:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20031103230643.046b2008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 23:23:00 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Staying in sync with a drum machine when using half speed and reverse In-Reply-To: <20031101203658.871.qmail@web80606.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:36 PM 11/1/2003, Apollonius wrote: >How exactly do you get the echoplex to stay in sync >with a drum machine when you are using the half speed >and reverse buttons a lot? quantize or realign. >Is this even possible at all? yes. >Or is the only thing you >can do is let it go out off sync and do a re-align >everytime? or use quantize. >Does it work better using the echoplex midi out to the >drum machine midi in > >or using Drum machine midi out to echoplex midi in? They both work fine, but they are totally different. which you want to use depends on what you are doing. It's sort of like wondering if the car works better if you are the driver or the passenger. >Or can you do it either way and stay in sync? > >Do you have to be quantized to stay in sync when using >the half speed and reverse buttons? it's way easier that way. >If so what do you >have to set the quantize to? cycle or loop make the most sense. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 02:30:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA47TOa24005; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 02:29:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 02:29:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20031103232702.04135fc8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 23:34:05 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Loop Windowing In-Reply-To: <20031101202208.10621.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:22 PM 11/1/2003, Apollonius wrote: >I spent all night experimenting with loop windowing >and and couldn't get it to do it at all by multiplying >then re-multiplying, make sure you are remultiplying it to be smaller than it was, otherwise the windowing makes no sense and won't do anything. Also, make sure there are interesting differences in past variations of the loop to go back to. If you multiplied the same basic loop and didn't add anything else over all of it, the windows will all sound the same. >Is loop windowing only available if you are totally >unquantized? doesn't matter. >Or will loop windowing still work if you have the >quantize set to any one of the following: LOP, OFF, >CYCLE, or 8th? it works with any setting of quantize. It only depends on if you want it quantized or not. > Does it matter how you set the switch quantize, or is >that irrelavant for loop windowing? that parameter only affects switching between multiple loops, which is irrelevant here. >How important is the 8ths/cycle setting for loop >windowing? not very. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 04:03:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA48x9h03843; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 03:59:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 03:59:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002801c3a2b2$510a1700$d520fea9@trucknutz> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <3007464.1067871751@[192.168.1.174]> Subject: Re: New free forums for looping discussion Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 09:01:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <0QQyi.A.47.dp2p_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Signed up already, Bob - thanks! It's always nice to see how different boards discussing the same topic take on different emphases, so it'll be fun to have a bulletin board for looping... Steve www.stevelawson.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Amstadt" To: Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:02 PM Subject: Re: New free forums for looping discussion > I just realized that the link that I gave everyone doesn't work. > Eventually it will, but at the moment the forums can found at > http://www.bassviews.com/phpBB2/index.php?c=7 > > Although I am a bass player, I welcome all loopers to use the forums as you > like. Use of the forums are free and you are welcome to use them to > announce your gig dates and CD releases, to buy or sell gear, or to discuss > any topics of interest to loopers. > > Best wishes to all of you, > Bob > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 05:32:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA4ATZF15661; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 05:29:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 05:29:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C3A2C6.99E5BBA0@dyn-195-242-123-216.ppp.tiscali.fr> From: Francois LEBRUN To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Just bought a Boomerang...Wow! Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 11:19:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01C3A2C6.99EEE360" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01C3A2C6.99EEE360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ... well, yes begining of story because there's a little bit more to it = than just Record & Stack : - slow speed with loop transposition 2nd, 4th, 5th, 7th, not only one = octave, - easy and fast switching from one loop to the other, - loop play order changeable, - fun live reverse playing, - foot roller for volume control (fade in/out), - foot control of input bypass, at the tip of your toes, no need to buy an extra pedal, or MIDI programing; few options, very easy configuration changes ! Personnaly, I think it just misses a few more loops and an Undo = function, and I wouldn't need more. F -----Message d'origine----- De: Nemoguitt@aol.com [SMTP:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Date: lundi 3 novembre 2003 21:39 =C0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: Re: Just bought a Boomerang...Wow! 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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 12:06:50 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Nov 2003 18:06:50.0946 (UTC) FILETIME=[6BBD3220:01C3A2FE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com


first of all, I just joined the group and want to say Hello .  im stoked to be here!

ive been looping at gigs for about 3 years now. i use  the boss rc-20 loopstation for my MalletKat marimba and i use the akai headrush through a microphone for vaious vocal, wind and percussion instruments.

Sorry if this is a blatantly obvious question but, I was curious to know (since i cant hear most of you out there) what styles of music were being played by   solo   loop artists,   those people that just play alone.

just wondering if people play alot of ambient, psychedelic free form improv, or more structured looped chord progressions, to back up vocals or solos? it seems like the 2 categories I tend to run into the most and i was just wondering if there was other kinds of stuff going on ?   

peace,

shane

 




 shane

Crave some Miles Davis or Grateful Dead? Your old favorites are always playing on MSN Radio Plus. Trial month free! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 13:25:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA4IMbe32737; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:22:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:22:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031104182236.86994.qmail@web12206.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:22:36 -0800 (PST) From: Joe Balestreri Subject: Gig spam - Oakland, CA To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-554072714-1067970156=:86309" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-554072714-1067970156=:86309 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Greetings loopophones. Tonight I'm playing a solo show, using Ableton Live to loop Rhodes piano, electric guitar, bass, trumpet, over drum loops and samples. I'll be at the Oasis, 135 12 st. in Oakland, CA. It's a dance club, and I'm doing funky-uptempo-experimental-house-type grooves. So come on down, yo! It gets going at 10, and I should be on around midnight. ~ Joe B., aka MetaMan _______________ www.metaman.us --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard --0-554072714-1067970156=:86309 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Greetings loopophones.  Tonight I'm playing a solo show, using Ableton Live to loop Rhodes piano, electric guitar, bass, trumpet, over drum loops and samples.  I'll be at the Oasis, 135 12 st. in Oakland, CA.  It's a dance club, and I'm doing funky-uptempo-experimental-house-type grooves.  So come on down, yo!  It gets going at 10, and I should be on around midnight. 
~ Joe B., aka MetaMan



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Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard --0-554072714-1067970156=:86309-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 15:02:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA4Jvx818198; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:57:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:57:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:57:43 EST Subject: Re: San Francisco / Oakland Voice & Electronics 2 Night Thingy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: <6vwi4D.A.PcE.HTAq_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wow!.....you go get them matt.....what impressive looking shows.....i would love to be there.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 15:17:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA4KEQL22408; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:14:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:14:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1e2.12ac8b97.2cd96294@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:14:12 EST Subject: Re: Just bought a Boomerang...Wow! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e2.12ac8b97.2cd96294_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1e2.12ac8b97.2cd96294_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/4/03 5:30:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, fr.lebrun@free.fr writes: > I think it just misses a few more loops and an Undo function undo is for sissies!.....there, i said it!.....:).....michael --part1_1e2.12ac8b97.2cd96294_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 11/4/0= 3 5:30:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, fr.lebrun@free.fr writes:


I think it just misses a few mo= re loops and an Undo function


undo is for sissies!.....there, i said it!.....:).....michael --part1_1e2.12ac8b97.2cd96294_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 15:46:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA4Kgk427231; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:42:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:42:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:42:33 EST Subject: Re: Solo Loop Gig Question? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f9.335845e2.2cd96939_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_f9.335845e2.2cd96939_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/4/03 1:10:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, vibraphonic_@hotmail.com writes: > just wondering if people play alot of ambient, psychedelic free form > improv, or more structured looped chord progressions, to back up vocals or solos? shane.....i try to do all of the above when i loop.....it all depends on the first note that i play as to where i might be headed and i don't know that note till i hit it.....what was mind blowing at an event like the y2k3 loopfest was the totally diverse ways in which so many, 3 days worth of loopers, all made use of this thing called LOOPING.....all had a different "voice" and varying ways of getting it out.....loop on! i say.....michael --part1_f9.335845e2.2cd96939_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 11/4/0= 3 1:10:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, vibraphonic_@hotmail.com writes:


just wondering if people play a= lot of ambient, psychedelic free form improv, or more structured looped chor= d progressions, to back up vocals or solos?


shane.....i try to do all of the above when i loop.....it all depends on the= first note that i play as to where i might be headed and i don't know that=20= note till i hit it.....what was mind blowing at an event like the y2k3 loopf= est was the totally diverse ways in which so many, 3 days worth of loopers,=20= all made use of this thing called LOOPING.....all had a different "voice" an= d varying ways of getting it out.....loop on! i say.....michael --part1_f9.335845e2.2cd96939_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 17:07:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA4M24e10896; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:02:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:02:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031104220203.95297.qmail@web21311.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:02:03 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Just bought a Boomerang...Wow! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1e2.12ac8b97.2cd96294@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/4/03 5:30:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, > fr.lebrun@free.fr writes: > > > I think it just misses a few more loops and an Undo function > > undo is for sissies!.....there, i said it!.....:).....michael Undo is my life. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 17:14:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA4MC9q12882; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:12:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:12:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: Solo Loop Gig Question? Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:12:05 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Shane wondered: I was curious to know (since I cant hear most of you out there) what styles of music were being played by solo loop artists, those people that just play alone. just wondering if people play a lot of ambient, psychedelic free form improv, or more structured looped chord progressions, to back up vocals or solos? it seems like the 2 categories I tend to run into the most and I was just wondering if there was other kinds of stuff going on ? peace, Shane ----> When I attend loop festivals, a lot of the music is instrumental, and not a lot of covers. I tend to play the same kind of music looping as not--but not vocally! I played a New Year's gig with loopers instead of sequencers, and then subsequently played again (same venue) for a St. Pat's thing. A few weeks later, I was in the same joint, and asked a patron who had attended both performances--she thought the "canned" performance was better--but she didn't know beans about how (or why!) I sounded like more than one guy . . . I feel better about my loop performances than using sequences--after all, it's "more me"--but question whether they are superior for the listener . . . Of course, when I played at the Y2K2, I did all covers, and was not hailed as the new Elvis--but I DID get Kim Flint to sing along with "Under the Boardwalk" . . . BTW, the EDP rules for the sort of chaotic, unstructured avant garde jams we all enjoy assembling! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 18:06:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA4N4Hw23301; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:04:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:04:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031103055918.01a59b80@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 05:59:18 -0700 To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: Goddess Subject: Re: EDP NextLoop Bug??? Cc: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00ad01c3a29d$9ab452e0$0200a8c0@amd> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <_Er5eB.A.-rF.xBDq_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is just a guess, but it sounds like the press of next loop itself is getting quantized to the cycle, since you've got quant set to cyc. So when you press it once, you're fine, and the loop changes over on the cycle point with the switch quant param, and since you're only going to the next loop, you're fine. When you try to move to loops other than the next in the series, the presses are still being themselves, quantized, from the quant param. Try moving from loop 2 to loop 3 in the same way you did from loop 1 to 2, and see what happens. As I said, this is just a quick guess, -best of luck. Smiles, Cara --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Fri. 10.31.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 18:23:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA4NIZ725572; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:18:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:18:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.144.36.162] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V03 #767 Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 15:18:27 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Nov 2003 23:18:28.0920 (UTC) FILETIME=[F4999B80:01C3A329] Resent-Message-ID: <7MbzLB.A.aPG.KPDq_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Michael! This is my last big "festival" type show of the year, though I still curate shows at the Luggage Store in SF the first thursday of every month. Somewhere around February we'll have another "Found Objects Night" with Lesser and Jon Brumit, and also 2 extremely talented and different acoustic percussionists - Karen Stackpole and Garth Powell. Still trying to get Steve Roden to come out and do one. Matt Nemoguitt@aol.com done wrote: >wow!.....you go get them matt.....what impressive looking shows.....i would >love to be there.....michael _________________________________________________________________ Frustrated with dial-up? Get high-speed for as low as $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 19:55:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA50rfw10873; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:53:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:53:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c3a348$1cd46440$0200a8c0@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20031103055918.01a59b80@pop.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: EDP NextLoop Bug??? Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:54:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cara- Thanks for the answer. I think you are right. I can get from Loop2 to Loop3 just fine. Just moving more than one loop forward is the problem. Still not sure how I'm going to get back to my Loop1 and keep synced to the clock though. A can "hard code" a 32-beat MIDI note 84 into the sequence to trigger Loop1 at the right time, but I was hoping to be able to leave it more open-ended than that. I guess it will have to do for now. Thanks again. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Goddess" To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" Cc: Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 5:59 AM Subject: Re: EDP NextLoop Bug??? > This is just a guess, but it sounds like the press of next loop itself is > getting quantized to the cycle, since you've got quant set to cyc. So when > you press it once, you're fine, and the loop changes over on the cycle > point with the switch quant param, and since you're only going to the next > loop, you're fine. When you try to move to loops other than the next in > the series, the presses are still being themselves, quantized, from the > quant param. > Try moving from loop 2 to loop 3 in the same way you did from loop 1 to > 2, and see what happens. As I said, this is just a quick guess, -best of > luck. > > Smiles, > > Cara From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 00:28:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA553ca28906; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 00:03:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 00:03:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031105050332.14619.qmail@web80606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 21:03:32 -0800 (PST) From: Apollonius Reply-To: trancegodz@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Using a Digitech PCM10 with the Echoplex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20031103225555.03e5f008@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I want to be sure I am getting this right: Thanks Kim, So I don't need to send a Midi String B at all, or a note off command for any of the echoplex functions? They would all look like what I have below, just with different midi note numbers? Midi String A 1 note on channel 1 note 48 C3 velocity 64 mp 2------------------- -- Kim Flint wrote: > You don't need to have it send the program change, > unless for some reason you always want to change > presets whenever you do this command. > In any case, you don't need the second program change with the note off. > > kim __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 01:08:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA5633l06957; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 01:03:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 01:03:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031103125804.00982d40@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 12:58:04 -0700 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: EDP NextLoop Bug??? In-Reply-To: <002701c3a348$1cd46440$0200a8c0@amd> References: <3.0.5.32.20031103055918.01a59b80@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Jesse, just set a pedal to note 84 and then you can go back whenever you want, with reasonable flexibility, and still be assured of getting there. Personally, I wouldn't use next loop for this type of thing, and would use separate pedals instead. -just some thoughts... Smiles, C-Quinn --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Fri. 10.31.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 01:57:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA56r8015694; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 01:53:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 01:53:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010d01c3a369$5fb90380$7604b3d8@ws1> From: "Brian Carabee" To: References: <01C3A190.B299EAE0@dyn-81-166-18-249.ppp.tiscali.fr> <003701c3a226$f090bc20$c101b3d8@ws1> Subject: Re: Just bought a Boomerang...Wow! Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 01:52:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lol, true enough, Ian. It is certainly simple to use. The biggest problem I'm having with it is setting a proper level for a milced acoustic guitar. It either sounds way too thin or it sounds clipped. Can't find the middle ground but it could be my mic that is giving me the trouble. Brian I thought it would take a long time to create "seamless" loops, but much to my surprise, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Petersen" To: Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 2:30 PM Subject: Re: Just bought a Boomerang...Wow! > Brian, > > I've been using a Boomerang for about six months. Great fun! > > I think there aren't many posts about the 'rang here because, well, > there isn't much to say is there!? You press Record, then Record again, > Stack as required ... end of story. > > -- > > Ian Petersen > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 02:08:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA576Fj19458; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 02:06:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 02:06:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011e01c3a36a$cbfd93c0$7604b3d8@ws1> From: "Brian Carabee" To: References: <116.2ac7529c.2cd81457@aol.com> Subject: Re: Just bought a Boomerang...Wow! Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 02:01:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Simple setup...Fender Stratocaster going into a DigiTech RP300 pedal which goes into the Rang. Rank plugs into a Fender Princeton amp. It sounds pretty good except for when I try to mic my acoustic guitar. I'll have to experient a little more. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 3:28 PM Subject: Re: Just bought a Boomerang...Wow! In a message dated 11/3/03 11:26:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, compguy@bestweb.net writes: are any other users out there? yepper brian.....i love my rang more and more everyday.....perhaps there are not so many "RANG" posts because it is so simple to use, very few problems.....also, i have always maintained that one can not have too many loopers. at present i have several other boxes that loop: zoom 2100 (three 5 second loops available at once), alesis Qudra-Verb 2 (up to 5 seconds of loop.....alesis "ineko'' gives me some loopage.....electrix Mo-Fx's delay is about a 3-4 second looper (i find this to be a very usefull tool) and lastly my CZ-5000 has an 8 trak sequencer (dare i call it a looper?.....:).....none of these items are "midifyed" so they are not insink, never the less, i can have a wild loop orgy with my bad self and my RANG.....i know you will love your "RANG" it will do quite a bit.....how do you have it set up in your system?.....i'd love to hear more rang ideas.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 06:33:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA5BR2h11730; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 06:27:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 06:27:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <04db01c3a38f$3d7c1a20$bf61fe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: Cc: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Shameless_plug:_new_=5B=B4ramp=5D_website_up_and_new_=5B?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=B4ramp=5D_album_out?= Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 12:21:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_04D1_01C3A397.49E772C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_04D1_01C3A397.49E772C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear friends, we are proud to announce the re-launch of our [=B4ramp] website on = November 9, 2003. The new address will be www.doombient.com It took us quite a while to update everything and to give it an entirely = new content. Some people may have wondered if we as a band have already = ceased to exist but this website will hopefully prove you wrong. = doombient.com will give you all necessary information around [=B4ramp]. = In fact we both, Frank and I, had to cut down our musical activities a = little. As you will hear, a lack of new releases does not automatically = imply a lack of new ideas. In order to celebrate the re-launch of the website and to prove that we = are still around, [=B4ramp] will be releasing a new album on November 9, = 2003. This album will be available in a limited production run of 100 = copies only. The album is called "Verbrannte Erde" and contains a live = concert we performed at a visual arts happening on a burning cornfield = last year in August. Musically, it will appeal to anyone who liked our = edgier and more daring music in the past. It is both rhythmic and = sequencer-based, but at the same time it features some of the most = foreboding ambient music we have come up with so far. More information = around the concert and the music can be found on doombient.com. You can order your copy through our website exclusively. Price per copy = is 15 Euro plus shipping (rates may vary depending on where you are = located, please check the website for further information or get in = touch with us). Orders will be processed as they come in on a "first = come, first serve" basis. To make overseas payment as easy as possible = we already established a PayPal account as this seems to be the most = convenient way for both buyer and seller. Please notice that the album will not be available before November 9, = 2003 and only as supplies last. If you have any questions, please feel free to get in touch with us. Do = you know others who might be interested in our music? Please spread the = news and let them know. 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Dear = friends,
 
we are proud to announce the re-launch = of our=20 [=B4ramp] website on November 9, 2003. The new address will = be
 
www.doombient.com
 
It took us quite a while to update = everything and=20 to give it an entirely new content. Some people may have wondered if we = as a=20 band have already ceased to exist but this website will hopefully prove = you=20 wrong. doombient.com will give you all necessary information around = [=B4ramp]. In=20 fact we both, Frank and I, had to cut down our musical activities a = little. As=20 you will hear, a lack of new releases does not automatically imply a = lack of new=20 ideas.
 
In order to celebrate the re-launch of = the website=20 and to prove that we are still around, [=B4ramp] will be releasing = a new=20 album on November 9, 2003. This album will be available in=20 a limited production run of 100 copies only. The album is = called=20 "Verbrannte Erde" and contains a live concert we performed at a visual=20 arts happening on a burning cornfield last year in August. = Musically, it=20 will appeal to anyone who liked our edgier and more = daring music in=20 the past. It is both rhythmic and sequencer-based, but at the same time = it=20 features some of the most foreboding ambient music we have = come up=20 with so far. More information around the concert and the music can be = found on=20 doombient.com.
 
You can order your copy through our = website=20 exclusively. Price per copy is 15 Euro plus shipping (rates may vary = depending=20 on where you are located, please check the website for further = information or=20 get in touch with us). Orders will be processed as they come in = on a "first=20 come, first serve" basis. To make overseas payment as easy as = possible we=20 already established a PayPal account as this seems to be the most = convenient way=20 for both buyer and seller.

Please notice that the album will = not be=20 available before November 9, 2003 and only as supplies = last.
 
If you have any questions, please feel = free to get=20 in touch with us. Do you know others who might be interested in our = music?=20 Please spread the news and let them know. Thanks for your = efforts.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_04D1_01C3A397.49E772C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 07:35:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA5CTO524911; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 07:29:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 07:29:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <105.38e57b55.2cda471e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 07:29:18 EST Subject: Re: Loop Windowing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 04/11/03 20:28:44 GMT Standard Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > >I spent all night experimenting with loop windowing > >and and couldn't get it to do it at all by multiplying > >then re-multiplying, > > make sure you are remultiplying it to be smaller than it was, otherwise the > windowing makes no sense and won't do anything. Also, make sure there are > interesting differences in past variations of the loop to go back to. If > you multiplied the same basic loop and didn't add anything else over all of > it, the windows will all sound the same. this is for loop3, right? To avoid confusion. In loop4 to get windowing all you have to do is use Undo after a Multiply. ..and it works whether the Mult is long or short. www.andybutler.com\mp3\backwater.mp3 for an example of doing a long window. At 2mins into the track I undo to reveal a series of short cycles each of which varies from the one before by one note. What happens is that only cycles that are different to the one before are kept in memory (if you overdub nothing, the EDP performs a thing called autoundo). So loop window takes you into the "creation history" of the loop. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 10:10:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA5F4ZR24177; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:04:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:04:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009e01c3a3ad$f9cfca00$a401b3d8@ws1> From: "Brian Carabee" To: References: <01C3A230.5DBE7A40@dyn-195-242-115-21.ppp.tiscali.fr> Subject: Re: Just bought a Boomerang...Wow! Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:02:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think maybe the majority of the folks here are Echoplex people. Like someone already said, with the 'rang, you just plug it in and let her rip... Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francois LEBRUN" To: Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:31 AM Subject: RE: Just bought a Boomerang...Wow! Hi Brian welcome to the club, glad to read from you. I also started looping with a Boomerang about 5 weeks ago and I was exactly like you : absolutely stunned at the pleasure I got from the thing just after 1h00 or so playing it !!! I noticed too there are not so many Boomerang posts. Either there are not too many people using it ( ??), or ... they are too busy enjoying it to have questions to ask ! I hope your post will get other 'Rangers to "come out". I'm sure we'll be in touch via mail soon. All the best Francois -----Message d'origine----- De: Brian Carabee [SMTP:compguy@bestweb.net] Date: lundi 3 novembre 2003 17:24 Ā: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: Just bought a Boomerang...Wow! Hello All, I've been lurling here for a while, and I thought I'd come out of the woodwork now that I've taken delivery on a Boomerang phrase sampler. I thought this would be a good unit to get my feent wet, and wow! I'm really impressed with what it can do, I thought looping would be extremely hard to master, but I'm relieved to see that I really seem to be able to do some decent things with it already. I don't see many Rang posts on this list. I was wondering if there are any other users out there? Have a great day, Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 10:12:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA5F5fB24486; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:05:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:05:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: Loop Windowing Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 07:05:33 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <105.38e57b55.2cda471e@aol.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, loop windowing has produced some rather, hmmm, interesting sounds from my EDP--so be careful which buttons you push. Bottom line is, the EDP is capable of playing back loops of disparate material. Great for those non-'Rang users who seek the adventurous--and you get there with Undo . . . Sonic blender indeed . . . Undo could certainly come in handy in certain people's personal lives (and LD posts) . . . I believe Reverse creates a "firewall" for the windowing function? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 11:25:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA5GHJm11307; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:17:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:17:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <6b.1bdccf3a.2cda7c7e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:17:02 EST Subject: Re: Just bought a Boomerang...Wow! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 11/4/03 10:53:49 PM, compguy@bestweb.net writes: << The biggest problem I'm having with it is setting a proper level for a milced acoustic guitar. It either sounds way too thin or it sounds clipped. >> Adjusting the trim knob usually takes care of this. But I found for some instruments it seemed better to use a preamp and run it into the rang as a line-in rather than a mic in. My experience is with the old rang. I sold it a few years ago but I miss it. Might have to get a new one. BobC visit: www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier The Thumb Piano Project www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 11:49:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA5GlfU19540; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:47:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:47:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c3a3bc$4246a110$6501b3d8@ws1> From: "Brian Carabee" To: References: <6b.1bdccf3a.2cda7c7e@aol.com> Subject: Re: Just bought a Boomerang...Wow! Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:45:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can't seem to find a good setting for the trim knob, but I'm not using the best mic either. I'll try it with my Sure Beta58A and see how it does with that. I was hoping to avoid using a line in as normally a miked acoustic sounds so much nicer. I was thinking of running the mic through a tube pre-amp to see if that smoothes things out. I don't know what you're using now for looping, but I can see why you miss the 'rang. It's certainly easy to use. I just wish it had some way to "undo" a freshly stacked loop. We newbies occasionally ruin a complex loop with a goofed note. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:17 AM Subject: Re: Just bought a Boomerang...Wow! > > In a message dated 11/4/03 10:53:49 PM, compguy@bestweb.net writes: > > << The biggest problem I'm having with it is > > setting a proper level for a milced acoustic guitar. It either sounds way > > too thin or it sounds clipped. >> > > Adjusting the trim knob usually takes care of this. But I found for some > instruments it seemed better to use a preamp and run it into the rang as a line-in > rather than a mic in. > > My experience is with the old rang. I sold it a few years ago but I miss it. > Might have to get a new one. > > BobC > > > visit: www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier > > > The Thumb Piano Project > www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject > http://trundlebox.iuma.com > http://brokenaxe.iuma.com > > www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 12:05:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA5GxpQ23029; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:59:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:59:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20031105090218.0411c5d0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 09:04:35 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Using a Digitech PCM10 with the Echoplex In-Reply-To: <20031105050332.14619.qmail@web80606.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20031103225555.03e5f008@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:03 PM 11/4/2003, Apollonius wrote: >I want to be sure I am getting this right: >Thanks Kim, > >So I don't need to send a Midi String B at all, or a >note off command for any of the echoplex functions? no, I said you don't need to send the program change. you definitely need to send the note off. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 13:23:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA5IK5S06536; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:20:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:20:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20031105131702.00aad850@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: anticlockwise@tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 13:36:17 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: boom er ranger Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <7JmP-.A.CmB.V9Tq_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com loopists obBoomerang: love mine, it's the whole show. well... i do play a headrush in the backfield, but the boomerang (2nd gen) takes the front line all the way. in a live-performance context, it's the disney magic at my shows. however - while working on my current record we discovered that it's firmly on the noisy side. especially when it's not "doing anything" at the moment, it cranks out a bit more than its fair share of hiss. so we've been reconfig'g my setup for each overdub using ONLY what's engaged for each one & that means pulling the boomerang out of the chain for many o/d's. on the other hand - since my live setup involves running a ton of stompboxes into boomerang & then out to a dual showman, the hiss from the boomerang is all part of the general melee and not a problem. it's just in the closer scrutiny of the recording context that we discovered that several tracks of stacked up boomerang layers had the sibilance factor getting out of hand. striking the boomerang from the setup on the tracks where it wasn't being used more than made room for the bit of hiss it issues on the tracks it appears on, and its charms more than outweigh the curses on those. my $.02 a:c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 13:27:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA5IPBH07854; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:25:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:25:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c3a3ca$338129d0$0502a8c0@DV3LRLLX93J1BI> From: "Macrooshkeen" To: Subject: that household name looper in UK Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 18:25:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C3A3CA.333AD200" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at eclipse.net.uk Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C3A3CA.333AD200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable community service announcement As I haven't seen it mentioned around here, and forgive me if it has, = but some of you may be interested to know that the household name of = loop Mr. David Torn is going to be making a rare appearance in the UK = this month, performing several dates with Tim Berne's 'Science = Friction'. The London date for all you smog based loopers is the QEH 19 = Nov.=20 useful links : http://www.splattercell.com/members/gaalore/dtorn/dtorn.nsf/0731d4d6c72d9= dbd802566a3005808d7/34dd901ba540353480256d36006164dd!OpenDocument http://www.screwgunrecords.com/page_b.php?pageid=3Dconcerts http://www.rfh.org.uk/main/all/index.asp?l1=3Dl1 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C3A3CA.333AD200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
community = service announcement
 
As I haven't seen it mentioned = around here,=20 and forgive me if it has, but some of you may be interested to know = that the household name of loop Mr. David Torn is going to be = making a=20 rare appearance in the UK this month, performing several dates with = Tim=20 Berne's 'Science Friction'. The = London date for=20 all you smog based loopers is the QEH 19 Nov.
 
useful links :
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http://www.rfh.= org.uk/main/all/index.asp?l1=3Dl1
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C3A3CA.333AD200-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 13:41:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA5IaNi09941; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:36:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:36:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20031105103242.01ab6048@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> X-Files: the truth is out there. Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 10:33:34 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: that household name looper in UK In-Reply-To: <000801c3a3ca$338129d0$0502a8c0@DV3LRLLX93J1BI> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com England, not the UK - as noted on the Torn list ;) At 10:25 AM 2003/11/05, Macrooshkeen wrote: >community service announcement > >As I haven't seen it mentioned around here, and forgive me if it has, but some of you may be interested to know that the household name of loop Mr. David Torn is going to be making a rare appearance in the UK this month, performing several dates with Tim Berne's 'Science Friction'. The London date for all you smog based loopers is the QEH 19 Nov. > >useful links : >http://www.splattercell.com/members/gaalore/dtorn/dtorn.nsf/0731d4d6c72d9dbd802566a3005808d7/34dd901ba540353480256d36006164dd!OpenDocument > >http://www.screwgunrecords.com/page_b.php?pageid=concerts > >http://www.rfh.org.uk/main/all/index.asp?l1=l1 > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 14:21:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA5JD6717915; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 14:13:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 14:13:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 19:12:55 +0000 Subject: Re: that household name looper in UK Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--441938116 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Paul Greenstein To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000801c3a3ca$338129d0$0502a8c0@DV3LRLLX93J1BI> Message-Id: <0F34FDA8-0FC4-11D8-87EE-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2--441938116 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Thanks - just booked my ticket. Only 15 squid! On Wednesday, November 5, 2003, at 06:25 pm, Macrooshkeen wrote: > community service=A0announcement > =A0 > As I haven't seen=A0it mentioned around here, and forgive me if it =20 > has,=A0but some of you may be interested to know that=A0the household = name =20 > of loop Mr. David Torn is going to be making=A0a rare=A0appearance in = the =20 > UK this month, performing several dates with Tim Berne's 'Science =20 > Friction'. The London date for all you smog based loopers is the QEH =20= > 19 Nov. > =A0 > useful links : > http://www.splattercell.com/members/gaalore/dtorn/dtorn.nsf/=20 > 0731d4d6c72d9dbd802566a3005808d7/=20 > 34dd901ba540353480256d36006164dd!OpenDocument > =A0 > http://www.screwgunrecords.com/page_b.php?pageid=3Dconcerts > =A0 > http://www.rfh.org.uk/main/all/index.asp?l1=3Dl1 > =A0 > =A0 > =A0 > =A0 > =A0 > =A0 > =A0 --Apple-Mail-2--441938116 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks - just booked my ticket. Only 15 squid! On Wednesday, November 5, 2003, at 06:25 pm, Macrooshkeen wrote: Arialcommunity service=A0announcement =A0 ArialAs I haven't seen=A0it mentioned around here, and forgive me if it has,=A0but some of you may be interested to know that=A0the household name of loop Mr. David Torn is going to be making=A0a rare=A0appearance in the UK this month, performing several dates with Tim Berne's 'Science Friction'. The London date for all you smog based loopers is the QEH 19 = Nov. =A0 Arialuseful links = : = Arial1999,1999,FFFFhttp://www.splattercell.com/members/gaalore/dtorn/dtorn.nsf/= 0731d4d6c72d9dbd802566a3005808d7/34dd901ba540353480256d36006164dd!OpenDocu= ment =A0 = Arial1999,1999,FFFFhttp://www.screwgunrecords.com/page_b.php?pageid=3Dconcerts<= /smaller> =A0 = Arial0000,6666,0000http://www.rfh.org.uk/main/all/index.asp?l1=3Dl1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = --Apple-Mail-2--441938116-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 14:58:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA5JqC827231; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 14:52:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 14:52:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000801c3a3ca$338129d0$0502a8c0@DV3LRLLX93J1BI> References: <000801c3a3ca$338129d0$0502a8c0@DV3LRLLX93J1BI> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:52:04 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: that household name looper in UK Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: -1 () IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.29 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >community service announcement > >As I haven't seen it mentioned around here, and forgive me if it >has, but some of you may be interested to know that the household >name of loop Mr. David Torn is going to be making a rare appearance >in the UK this month, performing several dates with Tim Berne's >'Science Friction'. The London date for all you smog based loopers >is the QEH 19 Nov. Oh man, that band now has 3 of my favorite musicians in the world: Berne, Torn, and keyboardist Craig Taborn. Drummer Tom Rainey is no slouch either. The recent studio and live Science Friction (gotta love that title!) cds feature Marc Ducret on guitar, an amazing player with a completely different approach than Torn's, and, while the discs are very, very good, I'd kill to see this band with Torn. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 15:34:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA5Jb0a21794; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 14:37:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 14:37:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031105193653.94044.qmail@web40312.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:36:53 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: Solo Loop Gig Question? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i've been looping for about a year or so and am now working with 2 repeaters. i'm a bassist and play in a band outside of my looping (although both the guitarist and i loop during our performances). i've been working on putting together a solo loop show for a while. i do some cover tunes and original work, but as a song structure instead of just an improv thing. it is very challenging and i'm still not at the point where i am ready to take my material out to the general public. i personally feel that the best thing to do is something different which is what i'm trying to do... --- "s. morris" wrote: Sorry if this is a blatantly obvious question but, I was curious to know (since i cant hear most of you out there) what styles of music were being played by solo loop artists, those people that just play alone. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 15:54:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA5KeLT04334; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 15:40:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 15:40:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 12:40:14 -0800 Message-ID: <3FA1F7F3000036C3@mta12.wss.scd.yahoo.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Atomic Mobius Machine Live on November 15th To: "Looper Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hA5KeLo04311 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fellow Loopers, Atomic Mobius Machine will once again be playing live for you on the internet! On Saturday, November 15th, we'll be playing from 8pm-12am/PST on AwesomeRadio.net. (But, we usually play until 2am, for a whopping 6 hours of musical meanderings.) Atomic Mobius Machine is best classified as Electronic Ambient Trance music (we've started calling it 'ambient loopadelic'), and features Dan Moore, Ross Artese, and myself, on various musical instruments and electronic samplers. Last month we had the pleasure of Craig Latta sitting in with us and his contributions (via homebrew software, AirFX, and AirSynth) to the performance were top notch, and we hope he will return for this month! :) If you want to check out stuff from past performances, please visit: http://www.musetrap.com/atomicmobiusmachine/ So please tune into AwesomeRadio.net, at http://www.awesomeradio.net, Saturday, November 15th, at 8pm for some really trippy music. Technically speaking, it's a shoutcast stream (ie. mp3 format) and can easily be listened to with WinAmp (www.winamp.com) or Windows MediaPlayer under Windows, iTunes will work for you on the Mac, and XMMS (http://www.xmms.org/) under Linux... AwesomeRadio serves 3 streams, with increasing quality/bandwidth requirements. Here are the addresses to use: broadband http://radio.awesomeradio.net:8000 24/22 mono http://radio.awesomeradio.net:8006 16/16 mono http://radio.awesomeradio.net:8004 For our show we'll be broadcasting a nice sounding stereo feed on the broadband stream, but, if your internet connection can't handle that, please use one of the other ports. AwesomeRadio also has an IRC chat room, for those so inclined. You can use a Java client (linked from the website), or an OS native client, such as mIRC for Windows. The IRC network is irc.awesomechat.net, and the channel is #awesomeradio. Of course, while we are playing we won't be chatting much, but there will be other listeners in there, so... I hope you can tune in for some of the show... :) peace -cpr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 00:27:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA65MQJ16556; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 00:22:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 00:22:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c3a427$63ec0d80$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031105131702.00aad850@mail.pdfsystems.com> Subject: Re: boom er ranger Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 00:32:38 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <4hUg_C.A.gCE.Rqdq_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > loopists > > obBoomerang: > > love mine, it's the whole show. well... i do play a headrush in the > backfield, but the boomerang (2nd gen) takes the front line all the way. in > a live-performance context, it's the disney magic at my shows. > > however - while working on my current record we discovered that it's firmly > on the noisy side. especially when it's not "doing anything" at the moment, > it cranks out a bit more than its fair share of hiss. so we've been > reconfig'g my setup for each overdub using ONLY what's engaged for each one > & that means pulling the boomerang out of the chain for many o/d's. snip > my $.02 > a:c So you'd say that your boomerang is noisier than your headrush? Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 10:21:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA6FGpj23094; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:16:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:16:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:12:32 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Reminder -- Video Performance NEW YORK CITY 11.8.03 Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, DrTVideo@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, electrons@cardhouse.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, collision-collusion@ai.mit.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I'll be doing video improvisations with the Electronic Music band Bionaut at Collective:Unconscious, 145 Ludlow Street, NYC on Saturday Nov 8. Our plan is to do a 4 hour continuous set from 1-5PM. We will be joined by Motion Sculpture movement artist, Claire Barratt. Promo Poster at http://www.tinybubblesmusic.com/DeepEnd/thedeependpromo4.htm Directions at http://www.weird.org/map/collectivemap.htm This should be good -- hope some of you New Yorkers can make it, -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 11:32:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA6GPfB02175; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:25:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:25:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.219.207.22] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Solo Loop Gig Question? Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 16:25:34 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Nov 2003 16:25:35.0070 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B0F97E0:01C3A482] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > just wondering if people play alot of ambient, psychedelic free form > > improv, or more structured looped chord progressions, to back up vocals >or solos? I try most differant styles and apply them at differet venues. for instance i play in a coffee house and it is expected that i will be doing mainly ambient textural work where as at a Gig type venue i play covers by modern thinking mans dance acts such as Portishead,Lamb and Massive Attack as well as my own songs (again structured affairs with the looper used to build up a lasge omount of orchestration whilst i sing. I also do stuff with the looper being used primerily at the start to lay down a beat and some small embelishments (AL LA howie day) so I guess you could say anything goes. Phill _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 11:57:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA6Gq2U08024; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:52:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:52:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.219.207.22] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Echoplex problems Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 16:51:56 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Nov 2003 16:51:56.0619 (UTC) FILETIME=[49BCD1B0:01C3A486] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All Its Phill. Ive finally had some time to sit and play with my EDP,and im having a few problems I thought one of you more learned users might have come across and could perhaps advise me on what to do. the problems i had so far are (in order) are: 1. Powered on and the Loop3 text just kept scrolling past over and over,at this time there was no sound coming from my guitar 2.recorded a loop with all my levels ballanced and no peaking of either the input signal or the feedback, the loop played back AWFULLY distorted, even though the guitar signal that was going throught the echoplex while it was in play mode was clean and fine. 3.Powered up and for some reason got a number 9 that wouldnt shift on the screen , could not loop or operate any functions 4.while in the middle of playing a loop i heard a brief tick,or pop sound like what you get when you touch a metal pedal when holding you guitar, the machine recorded the pop played it round a few times then just died. 5.another distorted freak out as described in 2. All these have happened non concurrantly with a few uses in between each problem that went without a hitch. The unit has just arrived to myself this week via mail and although it is not "new" it is a recent unit with loop3v5 and appears to be in good overall condition. Im more then a little worried that this is some serious problem as i have pretty much bankrupted myself getting the Plex and dont want to have to start repairing it before the first week of use has even passed. hope some of you will gimme the light at the end of the tunnel that i need Phill yours worriedly _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 12:12:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA6H8Am12546; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 12:08:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 12:08:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: Solo Loop Gig Question? Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 09:08:00 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Phill-- -----Original Message----- From: lol c [mailto:testtubemicro@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 8:26 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Solo Loop Gig Question? > > > just wondering if people play alot of ambient, psychedelic free form > > improv, or more structured looped chord progressions, to back up vocals >or solos? i play covers by modern thinking mans dance acts such as Portishead,Lamb and Massive Attack as well as my own songs (again structured affairs with the looper used to build up a lasge omount of orchestration whilst i sing. I also do stuff with the looper being used primerily at the start to lay down a beat and some small embelishments (AL LA howie day) so I guess you could say anything goes. Phill ------>So do you use "tracks" be they MIDI or audio when trying to "sound like the record"? I JUST plugged the laptop sequencer into a second MIDI input on the tone module which I am using for my MIDI sounds when looping (it is an SC-880, and I bought it for its GM sounds to use for sequences years ago) and, sure enough, if I had the strength and a gig, I could haul all this crap down to a venue and do both--i.e., "sound like the record" and improvise my roots rock and country/bluegrass (oh heck, and folk/jazz) nuts off. Still wouldn't be Elvis, just a guy sitting next to a pile of (expensive) crap--but to get back to the thread, (caps for emphasis, sorry) WHO OUT THERE IN THIS COMMUNITY IS USING BOTH LOOPING AND "MUSIC MINUS ONE" TRACKS IN A PUBLIC VENUE FOR GIGS? OK, caps off--as I have said before on this list, no one in the audience seems to be impressed with looping in the context of backing tracks, but it feels "cleaner" to me, a poor sinner . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 13:27:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA6ILPg31900; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:21:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:21:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FAA943A.535C08AD@erols.com> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 13:34:34 -0500 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Solo Loop Gig Question? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Relay wrote: > Hey Phill-- > > -----Original Message----- > From: lol c [mailto:testtubemicro@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 8:26 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Solo Loop Gig Question? > > > > > > just wondering if people play alot of ambient, psychedelic free form > > > improv, or more structured looped chord progressions, to back up vocals > >or solos? > > > i play covers by modern thinking mans dance acts such as Portishead,Lamb and > Massive Attack as well as my own songs (again structured affairs with the > looper used to build up a lasge omount of orchestration whilst i sing. > I also do stuff with the looper being used primerily at the start to lay > down a beat and some small embelishments (AL LA howie day) so I guess you > could say anything goes. > > Phill > > ------>So do you use "tracks" be they MIDI or audio when trying to "sound > like the record"? > I JUST plugged the laptop sequencer into a second MIDI input on the tone > module which I am using for my MIDI sounds when looping (it is an SC-880, > and I bought it for its GM sounds to use for sequences years ago) and, sure > enough, if I had the strength and a gig, I could haul all this crap down to > a venue and do both--i.e., "sound like the record" and improvise my roots > rock and country/bluegrass (oh heck, and folk/jazz) nuts off. Still > wouldn't be Elvis, just a guy sitting next to a pile of (expensive) > crap--but to get back to the thread, (caps for emphasis, sorry) WHO OUT > THERE IN THIS COMMUNITY IS USING BOTH LOOPING AND "MUSIC MINUS ONE" TRACKS > IN A PUBLIC VENUE FOR GIGS? OK, caps off--as I have said before on this > list, no one in the audience seems to be impressed with looping in the > context of backing tracks, but it feels "cleaner" to me, a poor sinner . . . > Gary I use just looping for my live shows (singer/songwriter Howie Dayish type stuff). I don't use backing tracks. I have to say, in my experience, that the general audience is more intelligent and aware than some of us might think. People know that I'm looping what I've played, and they are into it. They like to see a composition build and change. I think that if I played along to backing tracks, the audience would know, and maybe wouldn't be as into it. I know that I wouldn't be as into it. Looping enables much more spontaniety. Every show is different. I think that is one of the things that has helped me to build a small but devoted fan base. My two cents, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 14:13:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA6J58m09622; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:05:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:05:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen " To: Subject: RE: Echoplex problems Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 19:05:07 -0000 Message-ID: <000b01c3a498$e58eef80$0100a8c0@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is probably not a serious problem and is likely caused by the tolerance on the 2 16MHz crystals drifting. They will need to be replaced. I'm late for a meeting now, so gotta go, but I'll send more details tomorrow, Regards, Andy (EDP fixer) -----Original Message----- From: lol c [mailto:testtubemicro@hotmail.com] Sent: 06 November 2003 16:52 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Echoplex problems Hi All Its Phill. Ive finally had some time to sit and play with my EDP,and im having a few problems I thought one of you more learned users might have come across and could perhaps advise me on what to do. the problems i had so far are (in order) are: 1. Powered on and the Loop3 text just kept scrolling past over and over,at this time there was no sound coming from my guitar 2.recorded a loop with all my levels ballanced and no peaking of either the input signal or the feedback, the loop played back AWFULLY distorted, even though the guitar signal that was going throught the echoplex while it was in play mode was clean and fine. 3.Powered up and for some reason got a number 9 that wouldnt shift on the screen , could not loop or operate any functions 4.while in the middle of playing a loop i heard a brief tick,or pop sound like what you get when you touch a metal pedal when holding you guitar, the machine recorded the pop played it round a few times then just died. 5.another distorted freak out as described in 2. All these have happened non concurrantly with a few uses in between each problem that went without a hitch. The unit has just arrived to myself this week via mail and although it is not "new" it is a recent unit with loop3v5 and appears to be in good overall condition. Im more then a little worried that this is some serious problem as i have pretty much bankrupted myself getting the Plex and dont want to have to start repairing it before the first week of use has even passed. hope some of you will gimme the light at the end of the tunnel that i need Phill yours worriedly _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 15:33:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA6KT2I27514; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 15:29:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 15:29:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 20:28:50 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: BPM & Pitch Shift on Repeater From: Paul Greenstein To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Being a mathematical dunce, I'm having difficulty working out the relationship between midi controller values and tempo/pitch shift. The manual says: (using cc 14) (-75%+150%) adjusts the tempo and pitch as a percentage of the current tempo. 76 is zero shift. I've made this work via trial and error - for example, a value of 25 seems to reduce the pitch by -12 , but it would be nice to be able to predict the relative tempo change as well... Maybe someone out there knows what I'm on about... Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 16:38:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA6LTJE12632; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 16:29:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 16:29:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031106212912.78311.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:29:12 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: BPM & Pitch Shift on Repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Paul Greenstein wrote: > Being a mathematical dunce, I'm having difficulty working out the > relationship between midi controller values and tempo/pitch shift. > > The manual says: > > (using cc 14) (-75%+150%) adjusts the tempo and pitch as a percentage > of the current tempo. 76 is zero shift. > > I've made this work via trial and error - for example, a value of 25 > seems to reduce the pitch by -12 , but it would be nice to be able to > predict the relative tempo change as well... If you want a fixed musical interval of shift, it seems like it'd be easier to do that by sending midi note numbers instead of CC msgs. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 17:28:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA6MOUP24233; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 17:24:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 17:24:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20031106171908.00b1f110@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: anticlockwise@tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 17:40:21 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: boom-er-rangerssssssssssss Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:38 PM 11/6/2003 -0500, Scott M2" wrote: > So you'd say that your boomerang is noisier than your headrush? unquestionably. but to be fair - i am not sure whether that's cause the headrush might top out at unity, while possibly the boomerang gives some additional output oomph. i'm not up on my spec's enough to know if there's extra amplifyin' goin' on in the box from texas, and it certainly does allow for input level adjustments. in the studio, with the "heat of battle factor" not an issue, we have the luxury of all the careful gainstaging we can want, and we've clearly heard a difference between the 2. but the headrush (which i love, btw and makes an awesome companion to the boomerang in a few ways) don't give you no MINUTES of meander! so both have their pluses and minuses. in performance the boomerang is very easy to use and has certain... characteristics that basically make what i do able to happen the way it does. the one thing neither box offers is pitch or rate adjustment which i do long for. the old digitech sampling pedals had it. in fact, i was looking for one when i got turned on to the boomerang as an available alternative to the digitech models. hey - i'm not unhappy! a:c all this was cause a:c had said: >> obBoomerang: >> >> love mine, it's the whole show. well... i do play a headrush in the >> backfield, but the boomerang (2nd gen) takes the front line all the way. in >> a live-performance context, it's the disney magic at my shows. >> >> however - while working on my current record we discovered that it's firmly >> on the noisy side. especially when it's not "doing anything" at the moment, >> it cranks out a bit more than its fair share of hiss. so we've been >> reconfig'g my setup for each overdub using ONLY what's engaged for each one >> & that means pulling the boomerang out of the chain for many o/d's. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 17:58:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA6MrJt30529; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 17:53:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 17:53:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:53:13 -0800 Message-ID: <3FA1F7F30000456C@mta12.wss.scd.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: RE: BPM & Pitch Shift on Repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="========/3FA1F7F30000456C/mta12.wss.scd.yahoo.com" Resent-Message-ID: <_OfSFC.A.3cH.fDtq_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --========/3FA1F7F30000456C/mta12.wss.scd.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Paul, I can help you with the midi value -> tempo adjustment numbers, but I'll= need to do a little some research into how tempo adjustments map into pit= ch shifting. But, my numbers don't seem to match your trial and error number= s, where a tempo change of 0 should result in no pitch shifting. My numbers show 'no pitch shift' to be around 42 or 43, not 76 as you suggested. Please find enclosed a text file listing your midi->tempo mapping. peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 20:28:50 +0000 >Subject: BPM & Pitch Shift on Repeater >From: Paul Greenstein >To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >Being a mathematical dunce, I'm having difficulty working out the >relationship between midi controller values and tempo/pitch shift. > >The manual says: > >(using cc 14) (-75%+150%) adjusts the tempo and pitch as a percentage >of the current tempo. 76 is zero shift. > >I've made this work via trial and error - for example, a value of 25 >seems to reduce the pitch by -12 , but it would be nice to be able to >predict the relative tempo change as well... > >Maybe someone out there knows what I'm on about... > > > > >Paul > --========/3FA1F7F30000456C/mta12.wss.scd.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="translate.txt" 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Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: Subject: Re: Echoplex problems Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 18:40:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was going to suggest opening the Echoplex and re-seating the Loop3.5 chip. But, Andy Ewen probably knows best. -Jesse From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 18:49:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA6NjnJ10634; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 18:45:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 18:45:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 23:45:39 +0000 Subject: Re: BPM & Pitch Shift on Repeater Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Paul Greenstein To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20031106212912.78311.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <53874550-10B3-11D8-87EE-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, November 6, 2003, at 09:29 pm, Greg House wrote: > --- Paul Greenstein wrote: >> Being a mathematical dunce, I'm having difficulty working out the >> relationship between midi controller values and tempo/pitch shift. >> >> The manual says: >> >> (using cc 14) (-75%+150%) adjusts the tempo and pitch as a percentage >> of the current tempo. 76 is zero shift. >> >> I've made this work via trial and error - for example, a value of 25 >> seems to reduce the pitch by -12 , but it would be nice to be able to >> predict the relative tempo change as well... > > If you want a fixed musical interval of shift, it seems like it'd be > easier to do > that by sending midi note numbers instead of CC msgs. > > Greg > > Yeah I can do that, but this changes both pitch and tempo by a percentage of the current tempo - different function altogether. Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 18:50:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA6NhmB10127; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 18:43:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 18:43:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 23:43:38 +0000 Subject: Re: BPM & Pitch Shift on Repeater Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Paul Greenstein To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3FA1F7F30000456C@mta12.wss.scd.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <0B2C3CEA-10B3-11D8-87EE-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Chris - thanks for the txt file. I see what you mean about the zero values, your numbers make sense, the value I mentioned was from the Repeater manual. Possibly the wording is misleading. I will continue experimenting... Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 18:52:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA6NpAx12062; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 18:51:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 18:51:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031106235108.50992.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 15:51:08 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: BPM & Pitch Shift on Repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <53874550-10B3-11D8-87EE-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Paul Greenstein wrote: > > On Thursday, November 6, 2003, at 09:29 pm, Greg House wrote: > > > --- Paul Greenstein wrote: > >> Being a mathematical dunce, I'm having difficulty working out the > >> relationship between midi controller values and tempo/pitch shift. > >> > >> The manual says: > >> > >> (using cc 14) (-75%+150%) adjusts the tempo and pitch as a percentage > >> of the current tempo. 76 is zero shift. > >> > >> I've made this work via trial and error - for example, a value of 25 > >> seems to reduce the pitch by -12 , but it would be nice to be able to > >> predict the relative tempo change as well... > > > > If you want a fixed musical interval of shift, it seems like it'd be > > easier to do > > that by sending midi note numbers instead of CC msgs. > > > > Greg > > > > > > Yeah I can do that, but this changes both pitch and tempo by a > percentage of the current tempo - different function altogether. Yes, sorry, I didn't catch that part the first time I read it. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 19:24:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA70M8e19151; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 19:22:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 19:22:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 16:22:01 -0800 Message-ID: <3FA1F7F300004653@mta12.wss.scd.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <0B2C3CEA-10B3-11D8-87EE-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Re: BPM & Pitch Shift on Repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hA70M7o19130 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Paul, They may not be mapping the values using an algorithm, it might be a table they created that has values that somehow made sense to them. I work for a company that makes large format digital mixers and we use tables for mapping hardware controls (fader for example) to what they control (level) because an even spread of values (from a calculation) does not 'sound right'. Also, my calculation only used two decimal places, and increasing the number of decimal places will change a few of the mappings, but it doesn't shift them like the number you gave would require. I'm going to try and dig up some data on the relationship of tempo changing -> pitch shifting. I'll check the web and ask a few of the dsp guys here if they have any ideas... peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 23:43:38 +0000 >Subject: Re: BPM & Pitch Shift on Repeater >From: Paul Greenstein >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >Chris - thanks for the txt file. I see what you mean about the zero >values, your numbers make sense, the value I mentioned was from the >Repeater manual. Possibly the wording is misleading. I will continue >experimenting... > >Paul > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 00:01:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA74xwT24918; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 23:59:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 23:59:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 04:27:03 +0000 Subject: Re: BPM & Pitch Shift on Repeater From: "jeremy" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3151024024_109486_MIME_Part" Message-Id: Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: <9E6vl.A.LFG.Obyq_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3151024024_109486_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Paul, One thing you might try is putting the MIDI out of the Repeater into a sequencer and looking at the CC that comes out (if one does - I don't know yet). If the Repeater sends out CC14 and CC46 when you adjust pitch/BPM (CC9 and CC41 when adjusting tempo) it should be the same value in as CC to produce the same result. I'm having to guess because I can't get to my MIDI computer right now - I'd be interested to know what you find out. Best wishes j ---------- From: Paul Greenstein To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: BPM & Pitch Shift on Repeater Date: Thu, Nov 6, 2003, 8:28 pm Being a mathematical dunce, I'm having difficulty working out the relationship between midi controller values and tempo/pitch shift. The manual says: (using cc 14) (-75%+150%) adjusts the tempo and pitch as a percentage of the current tempo. 76 is zero shift. I've made this work via trial and error - for example, a value of 25 seems to reduce the pitch by -12 , but it would be nice to be able to predict the relative tempo change as well... Maybe someone out there knows what I'm on about... Paul --MS_Mac_OE_3151024024_109486_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: BPM & Pitch Shift on Repeater Hi Paul,

One thing you might try is putting the MIDI out of the Repeater into a sequ= encer and looking at the CC that comes out (if one does - I don't know yet).= If the Repeater sends out CC14 and CC46 when you adjust pitch/BPM (CC9 and = CC41 when adjusting tempo) it should be the same value in as CC to produce t= he same result.

I'm having to guess because I can't get to my MIDI computer right now - I'd= be interested to know what you find out.

Best wishes

j

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From: Paul Greenstein <paul@ubiq.co.uk>
To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: BPM & Pitch Shift on Repeater
Date: Thu, Nov 6, 2003, 8:28 pm


Being a mathematical dunce, I'm having difficulty working o= ut the
relationship between midi controller values and tempo/pitch shift.

The manual says:

(using cc 14)  (-75%+150%) adjusts the tempo and pitch as a percentage=
of the current tempo. 76 is zero shift.

I've made this work via trial and error - for example, a value of 25
seems to reduce the pitch by -12 , but it would be nice to be able to
predict the relative tempo change as well...

Maybe someone out there knows what I'm on about...




Paul





--MS_Mac_OE_3151024024_109486_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 02:15:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA77Bdv27981; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 02:11:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 02:11:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <031b01c3a5c7$87d7d610$4b68f93f@BJORK> From: "loop.pool" To: Subject: proposal for a new thread Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 23:11:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0318_01C3A584.79959C60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <0hpuYD.A.G1G.rW0q_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0318_01C3A584.79959C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Brian wrote: "I think maybe the majority of the folks here are Echoplex people. Like someone already said, with the 'rang, you just plug it in and let her rip..." I think that the Echoplex is, by far, the most complex and sohpisticated = of the hardware looper, Brian, but this brings up an interesting point. Why doesn't everyone send in which loopers they use live (or in the = studio) and let's see what the demographic actually is on this list. Let's keep it simple. as a matter of fact I'll start it off with the = next post. yours, Rick=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0318_01C3A584.79959C60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Brian=20 wrote:

"I think maybe the majority of the folks here are Echoplex = people.=20 Like
someone already said, with the 'rang, you just plug it in and = let=20 her
rip..."

I think that the Echoplex is, by far, the most = complex and=20 sohpisticated of
the hardware looper, Brian, but this brings up an=20 interesting point.


Why doesn't everyone send in which loopers = they=20 use live (or in the studio)
and let's see what the demographic = actually is on=20 this list.

Let's keep it simple.   as a matter of fact = I'll=20 start it off with the next
post.


yours,   Rick=20
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2 Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modellers (stomp = box=20 style)
1 Electrix REPEATER
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Rick Walker (loop.pool)
www.looppool.info
 
------=_NextPart_000_0321_01C3A584.EA62DE80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 02:29:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA77QwC31720; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 02:26:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 02:26:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 02:28:24 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE In-Reply-To: <032401c3a5c7$f8a2ce40$4b68f93f@BJORK> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My turn: (mostly) Akai Headrush Boss RC-20 LoopStation (backups) Electrix Repeater Z-Vex Lo-Fi Loop Junky Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 02:41:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA77cvj02758; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 02:38:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 02:38:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <120101c3a502$0a82d590$cb04b3d8@ws1> From: "Brian Carabee" To: References: <031b01c3a5c7$87d7d610$4b68f93f@BJORK> Subject: Re: proposal for a new thread Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 02:37:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <51XnzD.A.6q.Qw0q_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Digitech RP300 multi-effects pedal into Boomerang which plugs into Fender amp. Sometimes use an ART tube pre-amp for tone and for consistency. I ntend to use the Boomerang live, though I just got it a couple days ago, so I'm still getting used to it. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: loop.pool To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 2:11 AM Subject: proposal for a new thread Brian wrote: "I think maybe the majority of the folks here are Echoplex people. Like someone already said, with the 'rang, you just plug it in and let her rip..." I think that the Echoplex is, by far, the most complex and sohpisticated of the hardware looper, Brian, but this brings up an interesting point. Why doesn't everyone send in which loopers they use live (or in the studio) and let's see what the demographic actually is on this list. Let's keep it simple. as a matter of fact I'll start it off with the next post. yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 02:47:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA77k9804242; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 02:46:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 02:46:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.187.131.228] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 07:46:02 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2003 07:46:02.0784 (UTC) FILETIME=[3157FA00:01C3A503] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok.......Line 6 DL4 Lexicon JamMan with upgraded memory and latest version softeware revisons from Bob Sellon That's all folks! 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 02:57:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA77sdt06525; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 02:54:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 02:54:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 07:54:28 +0000 Subject: Re: BPM & Pitch Shift on Repeater Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6--309844856 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Paul Greenstein To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <9CECE48E-10F7-11D8-87EE-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <77aQHD.A.ylB.--0q_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-6--309844856 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Jeremy - A similar idea (tracking the values with a sequencer) occured to me=20 last night - I won't have an opportunity to try this for a few days,=20 but will let you know when I do. On Friday, November 7, 2003, at 04:27 am, jeremy wrote: > Hi Paul, > > One thing you might try is putting the MIDI out of the Repeater into a=20= > sequencer and looking at the CC that comes out (if one does - I don't=20= > know yet). If the Repeater sends out CC14 and CC46 when you adjust=20 > pitch/BPM (CC9 and CC41 when adjusting tempo) it should be the same=20 > value in as CC to produce the same result. > > I'm having to guess because I can't get to my MIDI computer right now=20= > - I'd be interested to know what you find out. > > Best wishes > > j > > ---------- > From: Paul Greenstein > To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: BPM & Pitch Shift on Repeater > Date: Thu, Nov 6, 2003, 8:28 pm > > > Being a mathematical dunce, I'm having difficulty working out the > relationship between midi controller values and tempo/pitch shift. > > The manual says: > > (using cc 14) =A0(-75%+150%) adjusts the tempo and pitch as a = percentage > of the current tempo. 76 is zero shift. > > I've made this work via trial and error - for example, a value of 25 > seems to reduce the pitch by -12 , but it would be nice to be able to > predict the relative tempo change as well... > > Maybe someone out there knows what I'm on about... > > > > > Paul > > > > > --Apple-Mail-6--309844856 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Jeremy -=20 A similar idea (tracking the values with a sequencer) occured to me last night - I won't have an opportunity to try this for a few days, but will let you know when I do. On Friday, November 7, 2003, at 04:27 am, jeremy wrote: Hi Paul, One thing you might try is putting the MIDI out of the Repeater into a sequencer and looking at the CC that comes out (if one does - I don't know yet). If the Repeater sends out CC14 and CC46 when you adjust pitch/BPM (CC9 and CC41 when adjusting tempo) it should be the same value in as CC to produce the same result. I'm having to guess because I can't get to my MIDI computer right now - I'd be interested to know what you find out. Best wishes j ---------- From: Paul Greenstein < To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: BPM & Pitch Shift on Repeater Date: Thu, Nov 6, 2003, 8:28 pm Being a mathematical dunce, I'm having difficulty working out the relationship between midi controller values and tempo/pitch shift. The manual says: (using cc 14) =A0(-75%+150%) adjusts the tempo and pitch as a percentage of the current tempo. 76 is zero shift. I've made this work via trial and error - for example, a value of 25 seems to reduce the pitch by -12 , but it would be nice to be able to predict the relative tempo change as well... Maybe someone out there knows what I'm on about... Paul = --Apple-Mail-6--309844856-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 03:09:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA784V511008; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 03:04:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 03:04:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016d01c3a507$1f80e180$6ebdfea9@equinox> From: "Tim Cooper" To: References: <032401c3a5c7$f8a2ce40$4b68f93f@BJORK> Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 01:14:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_016A_01C3A4CC.726AC770" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_016A_01C3A4CC.726AC770 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ya, i feel like a looposer in here, DigiTech GNX3 -- tim=20 www.timcoopermusic.net ------=_NextPart_000_016A_01C3A4CC.726AC770 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
ya, i feel like a looposer in = here,
 
DigiTech GNX3
 
-- tim
 
www.timcoopermusic.net<= /DIV> ------=_NextPart_000_016A_01C3A4CC.726AC770-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 03:12:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA78BJO13610; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 03:11:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 03:11:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031107081113.85014.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 00:11:13 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <032401c3a5c7$f8a2ce40$4b68f93f@BJORK> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Used on a regular basis as loopers: EDP, Repeater, Digitech RDS 7.6 Used sometimes as loopers: Lexicon Vortex, Line6 DL-4, Digitech 2120 ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 03:16:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA789hr12562; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 03:09:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 03:09:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 08:09:29 +0000 Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Paul Greenstein To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <032401c3a5c7$f8a2ce40$4b68f93f@BJORK> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <7chubB.A.JED.GN1q_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Repeater. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 03:16:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA78D4P14046; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 03:13:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 03:13:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 00:12:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <016d01c3a507$1f80e180$6ebdfea9@equinox> Thread-Index: AcOlBfT6pp4ieXVGSFG0mUXzg3aNhQAAF1ig Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hA78D4o14018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Studio - EDP with Loop III, Line 6 Echo Pro Live - Line 6 DL4, Boss DD-6, Boss RV3, Boss DSD3 and Zoom 2100, (although I very rarely use the loop function on that thing) ________________________________________ From: Tim Cooper [mailto:tcooper@digitalmetropolis.com] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 12:14 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE ya, i feel like a looposer in here,   DigiTech GNX3   -- tim   www.timcoopermusic.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 03:54:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA78r2n24269; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 03:53:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 03:53:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <1e0.12e390ae.2cdcb762@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 03:52:50 EST Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e0.12e390ae.2cdcb762_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: <_8aAlC.A.F7F.t11q_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1e0.12e390ae.2cdcb762_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit for loopage i use: (1) zvex lofi looper (2) line6 dl4 (3) lexicon jamman w/ 32 seconds. =-) PJ --part1_1e0.12e390ae.2cdcb762_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable for loopage i use: (1) zvex= lofi looper (2) line6 dl4 (3) lexicon jamman w/ 32 seconds. =3D-) PJ --part1_1e0.12e390ae.2cdcb762_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 03:54:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA78mSm23195; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 03:48:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 03:48:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1068194906.3fab5c5ab44af@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 03:48:26 -0500 From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE References: <032401c3a5c7$f8a2ce40$4b68f93f@BJORK> In-Reply-To: <032401c3a5c7$f8a2ce40$4b68f93f@BJORK> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.180.194 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lexicon PCM-80 (expanded) Line 6 Echo Pro i use the PCM-80 because i wanted a nice clean hi-fi looper for stereo unsynced ambient stuff. it excels ... but only if all you want to do is sound like Bob Fripp. no reverse, no restart, no half-speed. no BPM-timed looping lest you have alot of patience and a calculator (the internal math for BPM calculations sucks). it can do multiply though, and with proper external or internal modulation of the master delay percentage you can get some great stuttering/glitch effects. i use the Line 6 cuz i saw one for 200 bucks and i was curious. i haven't the money for a second PCM-80 yet ... but as soon as i do i'm gonna nail it. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 04:25:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA79L3n29070; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 04:21:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 04:21:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007c01c3a510$e5025160$d520fea9@trucknutz> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:24:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <0IdhS.A.HGH._P2q_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Standard rig - two Loop IV EDPs one Lexicon MPX-G2 extended rig four EDPs, one MPX-G2 one Kaoss Pad on my latest album, I was using the latter rig, minus one of the EDPs... cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net (new all live looping duo CD with Theo Travis, available here) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 05:31:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7ATBP08229; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 05:29:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 05:29:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003801c3a51a$06e1f430$404dfea9@manecohsv6y6ib> From: "Maneco" To: References: <032401c3a5c7$f8a2ce40$4b68f93f@BJORK> Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 07:29:08 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01C3A500.D4A3E640" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <-usZZD.A.bAC.3P3q_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C3A500.D4A3E640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://ar.f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/juandarkness ----- Original Message -----=20 From: loop.pool=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 4:14 AM Subject: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE 2 Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modellers (stomp box style) 1 Electrix REPEATER 2 GIBSON Echoplex EDP + (with Loop IV software by Aurisis) Rick Walker (loop.pool) www.looppool.info ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C3A500.D4A3E640 Content-Type: text/html; 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2 Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modellers (stomp = box=20 style)
1 Electrix REPEATER
2 GIBSON Echoplex EDP + (with Loop IV = software by=20 Aurisis)
 
Rick Walker (loop.pool)
www.looppool.info
 
------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C3A500.D4A3E640-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 06:03:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7B2MJ13410; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 06:02:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 06:02:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c3a51e$c47db340$0207a8c0@Stephen> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <032401c3a5c7$f8a2ce40$4b68f93f@BJORK> Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:03:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C3A51E.C3C33CE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <8q1KqC.A.bRD.-u3q_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C3A51E.C3C33CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2 - Zoom 2100's 1 - DigiTech DDS-7.6 "Time Machine" (usually set to just under 7.6 = seconds) Currently experimenting with Fruity Loops and Ambiloop, both lovely = tools on their own. Steve Goodman * EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C3A51E.C3C33CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
2 - Zoom 2100's
1 - DigiTech DDS-7.6 "Time Machine" (usually set to just under 7.6=20 seconds)
 
Currently experimenting with Fruity Loops and Ambiloop, both lovely = tools=20 on their own.
 
Steve Goodman
* EarthLight Productions
* http://www.earthlight.net
------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C3A51E.C3C33CE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 06:25:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7BMkt15227; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 06:22:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 06:22:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007501c3a522$cd5bc340$0200a8c0@waggy> From: "Tias" To: References: <032401c3a5c7$f8a2ce40$4b68f93f@BJORK> Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:32:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006C_01C3A52B.2BBD9F50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C3A52B.2BBD9F50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Current: Portable 2ghz WinXP with Ableton Live 3.0 and 2 or 4 = feedbackloops Future: Same hardware as above with Ableton Live 3.0 (or other = VST-compatible software) with homemade VST LiveLooping-plugin Uhmm. that's about it at the moment. /Tias ----- Original Message -----=20 From: loop.pool=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 8:14 AM Subject: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE 2 Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modellers (stomp box style) 1 Electrix REPEATER 2 GIBSON Echoplex EDP + (with Loop IV software by Aurisis) Rick Walker (loop.pool) www.looppool.info ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C3A52B.2BBD9F50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Current: Portable 2ghz WinXP with = Ableton Live 3.0=20 and 2 or 4 feedbackloops
Future: Same hardware as above with = Ableton Live=20 3.0 (or other VST-compatible software) with homemade VST=20 LiveLooping-plugin
 
Uhmm. that's about it at the = moment.
 
/Tias
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 loop.pool
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, November 08, = 2003 8:14=20 AM
Subject: THE LOOPING TOOLS I = USE

2 Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modellers (stomp = box=20 style)
1 Electrix REPEATER
2 GIBSON Echoplex EDP + (with Loop IV = software by=20 Aurisis)
 
Rick Walker (loop.pool)
www.looppool.info
 
------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C3A52B.2BBD9F50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 07:22:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7CLHA26978; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 07:21:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 07:21:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 06:23:04 -0600 Subject: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Michael Firman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <22A6CBEA-111D-11D8-A9A9-0003930F282A@mlswebworks.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <1eHJ5.A.blG.944q_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I use two EDPs with Loop IV and (most recently as a looper) a Korg Kaoss Pad (probably not very useful for the guitarists out there, but it has some fantastic continuous morphing forward/reverse functionality via the touch pad). I also have a DL-4 but it's sort of on permanent loan to a violinist friend of mine. -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 07:55:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7Coib31465; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 07:50:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 07:50:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FAB93E1.3030203@cabq.gov> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 05:45:21 -0700 From: jason User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.3.1) Gecko/20030425 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE References: <200311070759.hA77xep09572@hemlock.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <200311070759.hA77xep09572@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 1 GIBSON Echoplex EDP + (with Loop III) 1 Lexicon Vortex (tiny loops) 1 Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeller 1 Electrix REPEATER -jas dimbulb.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 08:24:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7DMU204094; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 08:22:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 08:22:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031107132209.90812.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 05:22:09 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Martin Subject: Re: The Looping Tools I Use To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <2iOY4C.A.1_.Wy5q_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 1 EDP with Loop IV software 1 brain with unique software (bugs still being located) Later, Scott ===== Scott Martin coirbidh_99@yahoo.com Beauty - no matter how disturbing or how still - is always true. 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Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 08:28:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7DRAB04603; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 08:27:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 08:27:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 08:23:26 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004e01c3a532$d933bbe0$1912be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bob Sellon-modded Lexicon PCM 42 (18 seconds of delay, reverse, infinite freeze) Akai Headrush Boss DD-6 Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 08:53:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7Dq4e07701; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 08:52:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 08:52:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FABA37C.9060701@biink.com> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 08:51:56 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE References: <004e01c3a532$d933bbe0$1912be18@oemcomputer> In-Reply-To: <004e01c3a532$d933bbe0$1912be18@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com DL4 -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 09:03:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7E04N10411; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:00:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:00:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.137.86.108] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 08:59:58 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2003 13:59:58.0670 (UTC) FILETIME=[6E2C7EE0:01C3A537] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Digitech Echo + Gibson EDP Cheers Lou _________________________________________________________________ Great deals on high-speed Internet access as low as $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 09:11:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7E7Zv11755; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:07:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:07:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031107140728.93073.qmail@web20309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 06:07:28 -0800 (PST) From: Spacemodular Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <9AMmg.A.j3C.mc6q_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I use: Lexicon JamMan w/32 seconds (x2) I still would like to upgrade to the Sellon operating system Line 6 DL-4 Digitech RDS-8000 Time Machine Korg Kaoss Pad Nick Wilson Chicago __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 09:36:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7EWU416037; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:32:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:32:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <032401c3a5c7$f8a2ce40$4b68f93f@BJORK> References: <032401c3a5c7$f8a2ce40$4b68f93f@BJORK> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 08:32:27 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: LOOPING TOOLS I USE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com digitech rp100 (2 sec delays) korg kaoss pad (5 sec sampler-some fun stuff in there) digitech dsp256xl (1.5 sec delays and love the multi-tap delays) dod d-12 (my 12 sec loops or 12 sec of delay) lexicon mpx100 (5.5 sec of delay at 30% repeat, or 2 sec of loops) tascam porta05 (20 sec of tape loop) note to Ted K.: been listening to your cd again over the last few days and it's making me dread that i sold my zoom tube preamp a few months ago, getting tired of the "digital modeling" when i've been listening to my recent demo projects. Ted, you get some great tones on there (well heck, the playing is downright fab-o-good too), now it looks like i need to find a tube replacement gear (ug). oh well...happy fri... s--- -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 09:36:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7EYb616268; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:34:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:34:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 09:34:29 -0500 Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031107140728.93073.qmail@web20309.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hA7EYbo16243 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com IN MY HARDWARE RIG: An Echoplex with Loop IV An Eventide Orville IN MY SOFTWARE RIG: Ableton Live MaxMSP Radial Reaktor THE SUPER RIG: is both run through and mixed by a Metric Halo Mobile I/0 audio device and its accompanying software. I also own one Line Six Pedal which only gets used on really small gigs where I have to travel SUPER light, and for backup, one other EDP and a Jamman. -- Todd Reynoldsđ Nuove Uova 2 at Joeđs Pub Monday, November 10th, 9:30 PM New work for violin and electricity by Phil Kline, John King, Randall Woolf and Todd Reynolds with Performers David Cossin, Phil Kline and Jessie Stiles. Yđall come... http://www.joespub.com for reservations and tix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 09:40:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7EcBk17032; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:38:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:38:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0FE98FA04927D411A48300D0B77CF9BB0A3FAFC6@tiger.middlebury.edu> From: "Christensen, Mark" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:38:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 32 second jamdude akai headrush ('though i'm liking it less and less) korg kaoss pad m.c. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 09:46:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7EhQ117654; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:43:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:43:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Subject: RE: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:43:28 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 11/07/2003 09:43:29 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com EDP w Ver IV software Reaktor 4 Yamaha DG-Stomp Korg DL-8000R Roland/Boss GT-6, VG-8, VG-88 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 09:59:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7Ew4e19951; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:58:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:58:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Mad Mat" To: Subject: RE: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:57:57 -0000 Message-ID: <13CF7CC05236064C9AE5D8F89C7356D308D3BF@icex31.ic.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <13CF7CC05236064C9AE5D8F89C7356D30FB65F@icex31.ic.ac.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jamman w/ 32sec Echoplex Loop III From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 10:12:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7F7vc23283; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:07:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:07:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <001b01c3a540$6e5a2f80$d767fe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: References: <13CF7CC05236064C9AE5D8F89C7356D308D3BF@icex31.ic.ac.uk> Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 16:04:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jam Man 32 seconds upgrade (x2) Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro w/ 198 seconds upgrade (x2) Electrix Repeater (soon x2) Stephen / [īramp] www.doombient.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mad Mat" To: Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 3:57 PM Subject: RE: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE > Jamman w/ 32sec > Echoplex Loop III > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 10:28:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7FRDw26208; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:27:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:27:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FABB9D2.8090904@oracle.com> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 10:27:14 -0500 From: George Demarest Organization: Oracle Corporation User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE References: <032401c3a5c7$f8a2ce40$4b68f93f@BJORK> In-Reply-To: <032401c3a5c7$f8a2ce40$4b68f93f@BJORK> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070101010909010707040100" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070101010909010707040100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1 Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modellers 1 Electrix REPEATER 2 GIBSON Echoplex EDP + (with Loop IV) Korg Wavestation AD (looped wavesequences) KAOSS Pad AKAI MPC-2000XL (for midi looping and clock) Behringer FCB1010 gfd --------------070101010909010707040100 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
1 Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modellers
1 Electrix REPEATER
2 GIBSON Echoplex EDP + (with Loop IV)
Korg Wavestation AD (looped wavesequences)
KAOSS Pad
AKAI MPC-2000XL (for midi looping and clock)
Behringer FCB1010

gfd


--------------070101010909010707040100-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 11:21:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7GC9L02141; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:12:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:12:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c3a549$baa866a0$dcdfa942@brunkhorst> From: "Kevin Brunkhorst" To: Subject: EDP hiccup and giggle Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:10:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01C3A517.6FC1AB60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C3A517.6FC1AB60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable everbuddy: Last night at a gig, my EDP suddenly stopped working. Lights out, = nobody home... and since it's in my signal path, no music from me. (I = rerouted.) =20 At the same time, my bassists amp (the Polytone he uses for his upright) = blew a fuse. I kept checking it by turning it on and off: no lights. A little blink = of the display when I'd turn it on, that's all. At the set break a few tunes later, I checked it again: it came on just = fine and stayed on. I plugged it all back in and it worked perfectly. Anybody else have this experience? I'm thinking funky wall voltage may = be involved. Kevin np: the Brak Show ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C3A517.6FC1AB60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
everbuddy:
 
Last night at a gig, my EDP suddenly = stopped=20 working.  Lights out, nobody home... and since it's in my signal = path, no=20 music from me.  (I rerouted.) 
 
At the same time, my bassists amp (the = Polytone he=20 uses for his upright) blew a fuse.
 
I kept checking it by turning it on and = off: no=20 lights.  A little blink of the display when I'd turn it on, that's=20 all.
 
At the set break a few tunes later, I = checked it=20 again: it came on just fine and stayed on.  I plugged it all back = in and it=20 worked perfectly.
 
Anybody else have this experience?  = I'm=20 thinking funky wall voltage may be involved.
 
Kevin
np: the Brak = Show
------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C3A517.6FC1AB60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 11:31:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7GSZK04478; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:28:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:28:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1ca.13e0c677.2cdd221d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:28:13 EST Subject: Re: LOOPING TOOLS I USE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hA7GSZo04455 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 2 EDPs. I use a pair of Oberheim EDPs. Call me an idiot, but I am still using Loop III software (yes Kim, I AM an idiot). I bought Loop IV when it first came out (years ago now) but don't have a programmable MIDI pedal to take advantage of all of its neat(er) benefits "on the fly" so-to-speak. Consequently, alas, I have not gotten around to installing the chips yet. I keep 'em safely tucked away for when the time comes in the same packaging they were sent in. I have owned EH 16-Sec delays, JamMen, Boss and DOD/Digitech stomp box delays and all sorts of other stuff. I have and use 2 Lexicon Vortexes but I don't use 'em for looping per se. Having once worked for the "World's Largest Music Retailer" I have spent plenty of time with Boomerangs and Zoom pedals and all sorts of other fab units. I DO own a DL4. But (so far), I only use it for acoustic gigs where I just bring that, a combo amp, volume pedal, my trusty Lakewood guitar and a couple of decent cables. It's very freeing to leave "The Rack of Doom" behind sometimes. I don't do that very often . . . but perhaps I should though. I am getting too old to do this much longer. I thought long and hard about getting a Repeater when IVL/Electrix were still making them. I encouraged the drummer I most frequently work with, Bob (Dr. Bob) Sterling, to get one and he seems pretty happy with it. I see and hear some of the stuff that the Walker boys do with theirs and kinda wish I'd taken my own advice and bitten the bullet too (back when money was more plentiful, heheh). I am still thinking long and hard about the Kaoss 2.0 pad (I waste too much time playing with it every damn NAMM show). But really, The 2 EDPs (and the one DL4) are getting me by just fine right now. Besides . . . reality being what it is . . . the kids ALWAYS need new shoes and Christmas is coming (in a little less than 7 weeks now). Ho! Ho! Ho! tEd Ū kiLLiAn http://www.mp3.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 11:40:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7GaD006178; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:36:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:36:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003301c3a54d$68970b60$e69a5142@MyComputer> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <032401c3a5c7$f8a2ce40$4b68f93f@BJORK> <001a01c3a51e$c47db340$0207a8c0@Stephen> Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 08:37:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <-4cKfC.A.ZgB.9n8q_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com EDP; DL4; Boss GT-5... (Amazing real-time control over the delays on this baby, but they're a short 1.8 secs. Still it's awesome!) -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 11:42:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7GcxX06707; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:38:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:38:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.144.36.162] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 08:32:22 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2003 16:32:24.0803 (UTC) FILETIME=[B9B1A330:01C3A54C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 2 DOD DFX-94's (4-second squashbox loopers) That's it. Someday I'll upgrade. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Shopping upgraded for the holidays! Snappier product search... http://shopping.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 11:48:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7GiJL07810; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:44:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:44:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 08:44:12 -0800 Message-ID: <3F615C4900023228@mta11.wss.scd.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <9CECE48E-10F7-11D8-87EE-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Re: BPM & Pitch Shift on Repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hA7GiJo07786 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If there is any reason you don't want to use a sequencer, and you are running Windows you can download MIDI-Ox and use it to look at incoming data. I use this tool all the time and I love it. :) peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 07:54:28 +0000 >Subject: Re: BPM & Pitch Shift on Repeater >From: Paul Greenstein >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >Jeremy - > >A similar idea (tracking the values with a sequencer) occured to me >last night - I won't have an opportunity to try this for a few days, >but will let you know when I do. > > > >On Friday, November 7, 2003, at 04:27 am, jeremy wrote: > >> Hi Paul, >> >> One thing you might try is putting the MIDI out of the Repeater into a > >> sequencer and looking at the CC that comes out (if one does - I don't >> know yet). If the Repeater sends out CC14 and CC46 when you adjust >> pitch/BPM (CC9 and CC41 when adjusting tempo) it should be the same >> value in as CC to produce the same result. >> >> I'm having to guess because I can't get to my MIDI computer right now >> - I'd be interested to know what you find out. >> >> Best wishes >> >> j >> >> ---------- >> From: Paul Greenstein >> To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: BPM & Pitch Shift on Repeater >> Date: Thu, Nov 6, 2003, 8:28 pm >> >> >> Being a mathematical dunce, I'm having difficulty working out the >> relationship between midi controller values and tempo/pitch shift. >> >> The manual says: >> >> (using cc 14)  (-75%+150%) adjusts the tempo and pitch as a percentage >> of the current tempo. 76 is zero shift. >> >> I've made this work via trial and error - for example, a value of 25 >> seems to reduce the pitch by -12 , but it would be nice to be able to >> predict the relative tempo change as well... >> >> Maybe someone out there knows what I'm on about... >> >> >> >> >> Paul >> >> >> >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 11:51:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7GkrF08166; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:46:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:46:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 10:45:33 -0600 Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE From: "Richard J. Roberts" To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hA7Gkqo08138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (2) Jamman w/32 sec memory -- Richard J. Roberts / ZERO OHMS http://members.safepages.com/zeroohms/ spaceformusic.com/zeroohms zeroohms@surfbest.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 11:54:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7Gp6H08773; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:51:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:51:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.219.207.23] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:50:59 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2003 16:51:00.0016 (UTC) FILETIME=[5269A300:01C3A54F] Resent-Message-ID: <3PHja.A.9IC.618q_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In order in my Chain Zoom 707 5sec(rare use) Korg Toneworks AX-G7 2sec (cool forwards reverse effect via pedal) Digitech X serise Digidelay 5sec (minimal use) DL4 24 sec (awsome) EDP (will be my main looper when i get it running Boss Pitch shift Delay (for down-looping) Kaoss Pad VOCALS Boss RC-20 Boss DD5 PHEW........no wonder im a poor student!!! Phll _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 12:07:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7H4OJ12426; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:04:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:04:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <16b.26115ab2.2cdd2a82@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:04:02 EST Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <8xPuiC.A.BCD.YC9q_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE all the time 2x Loop4 EDPs (+Behringer FCB1010) 1x Lex Vortex sometimes JamMan Zoom 2100 (they live on it seems) Behringer DSP2024P Virtualizer (stereo 5s delay) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 12:17:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7HD0S13441; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:13:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:13:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.219.207.23] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Solo Loop Gig Question? Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:12:53 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2003 17:12:53.0601 (UTC) FILETIME=[615ECD10:01C3A552] Resent-Message-ID: <0Afk0C.A.6RD.cK9q_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > ------>So do you use "tracks" be they MIDI or audio when trying to >"sound > > like the record"? For the gigs im doing at the minute my "covers" are Goreki by Lamb, Ghost by Howie Day and Teardrop by massive atack . I dont try to replicate the original anymore then Eva Cassidy tried to sound like Sting on "feilds of gold" r whatever, I mearly saw value in the original composition within a looped context as they hav a repeated patteren of note progressions. I create all the sound live........i'll use Teardrop as an example 1.record short loop of my tapping on guitar to get the drum beat 2.record THAT picked riff over it. 3. transfare those parts PLUS all the bass notes for the verse and chorus whilst singing the appropriate vocal line (and adding deleay/reverb via foot controller where appropriate) Overdub that much longer loop with ebowed "string arrangement" while singing second verse chorus (once my EDP is back up and running I want so store the first drum step on loop 2 so i can do a breakdown at the end) this is just one example of my work, beliv me when i start doing it i do get e few skeptical looks but for my last gig I had a small web-cam pointing at my foot controller set up and then feeding live to my V-jay friend who pit this live feed over some other video clips and projected the whole thing onto a screen behind me. I think that this made my approch very clear. I also think that failing having access to such a media suite, it is in the Loopers favour to explain what he or she is going to be doing before they begin. I know that all this will still fail to imress some on list and thats fine. I DO still play the other more "where the hell m i going" improv stuff, indeed in my bedroom i use this approch as a catalyst for most of my work that end up as repeatable structured songs, its just that in my local college orientated music scene there are reletivly few people who are attracted to anyting but the tinyest fraction of left of center. gotta go now. Phill _________________________________________________________________ On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 12:32:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7HSj615485; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:28:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:28:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.219.207.23] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Echoplex Problems....update Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:28:38 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2003 17:28:39.0096 (UTC) FILETIME=[94EDE380:01C3A554] Resent-Message-ID: <-Myz-.A.zxD.NZ9q_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi again thanks to Geoff,Jesse and Andy for your replys thus-far (note paticularly to geoff, sorry this isnt a separate private email but time is at a premium) I am going home tonight and I will try to do the re-seating of the chips, I have done similar opperations on my laptop when that was shipped to me so it was the first thing i thought of two but felt the need for a little qualification from others before I went ahead. I'll be back on monday to report further. Oh and in answer to er..........jesse.......ithink, a simple turn off/on of power seems to clear the problem for a few uses.........strange!!! Phill _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 12:34:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7HUMh15652; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:30:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:30:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <8f.34664fec.2cdd30a3@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:30:11 EST Subject: Note to Scott-A-Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hA7HULo15629 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Scott, Thanks for the kind words. Just when one gets to feeling a bit like a turd somebody says something really very nice. You made my day. Thanks. Yes, I really hate to say it -- 'cause I'm definitely NOT an anti-digital luddite -- but nothing (so far, IMHO) seems to truly replicate the exact warmth and tone of tubes. Even the way they interact with the signal level/harmonic character of how one plays/picks a string is something unique. That's why they say half of your tone is also in your fingers. Tone and sound quality are very important to me. At the Y2K3 gig in Santa Cruz last month, something in my rack/signal-chain died and my tone went down the toilet in a major fashion -- speaking of turds (heheh). I played as well as I could anyway (or tried to, I hope). But it sure was agony when I wasn't getting the tone I wanted. Even my "clean" tone was distorted and noisy. It was most embarrassing -- painful even. Crap . . . I hate thinking about it. I have enjoyed your CDs too (as much for the funky artwork as for the bizarre cornucopia of sounds). It sure seemed like you were definitely having a good time while making 'em. Some of the sounds are downright hallucinogenic all by themselves. Captain Beefheart would be proud. The creative cartoonery brings on a smile too. Keep it up. Best regards, tEd Ū kiLLiAn http://www.mp3.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html In a message dated 11/7/03 6:33:06 AM, scott-a-hansen@uiowa.edu writes: >note to Ted K.: been listening to your cd again over the last few days >and it's making me dread that I sold my zoom tube preamp a few months >ago, getting tired of the "digital modeling" when i've been listening to >my recent demo projects. Ted, you get some great tones on there >(well heck, the playing is downright fab-o-good too), now it looks like >i need to find a tube replacement gear (ug). oh well...happy fri... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 12:38:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7Ha1b16509; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:36:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:36:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005501c3a555$ea914ce0$1dd34c51@aoldsl.net> From: "Gareth Hardwick" To: References: Subject: Re: LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:32:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Boss RC-20, DD-20, DD-6 Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 12:39:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7HZx916481; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:35:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:35:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005401c3a555$e973f600$1dd34c51@aoldsl.net> From: "Gareth Hardwick" To: References: Subject: Re: LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:32:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <4Ht1XB.A.ZBE._f9q_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com fan of Stars of the Lid by any chance? Brian McBridge from SotL used to use 2 x DFX94 ----- Original Message ----- From: "matt davignon" To: Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 4:32 PM Subject: Re: LOOPING TOOLS I USE > 2 DOD DFX-94's (4-second squashbox loopers) > > That's it. Someday I'll upgrade. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 12:56:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7HnCc18688; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:49:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:49:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: <8.3fd6f3fc.2cdd3506@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:48:54 EST Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 Resent-Message-ID: <3hcN.A.1jE.Ys9q_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com me is: H-ware; lexicon pcm 42; w/ memory & reverse mods lexicon jamman; w/ memory mod Roland 3000 (can someone tell me who does the memory mod for this pup?) (2) digitech time machine w/low-fi junkie mod I did meself S-ware; LogicAudio Acid From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 12:57:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7HoSr18892; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:50:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:50:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1da.13eea97b.2cdd3558@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:50:16 EST Subject: What!?!?!?! Four (4) friggin' EDPs!?!?!?! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hA7HoRo18867 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stevie, Stevie, Stevie, In a message dated 11/7/03 1:21:44 AM, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: >four EDPs, In case I missed it (if you shared your rationale with the LD list previously), why so many? What do you use 'em all for? I can imagine a few things . . . but I guess it still baffles me a little bit considering how much the darn things cost. Seriously curious, tEd Ū kiLLiAn http://www.mp3.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html PS, My whole family has enjoyed "Conversations" and "Not Dancing for Chicken." I keep meaning to order the new one "For the Love of Open Spaces." Perhaps that'll explain the number of EDPs too. Anywho. I AM curious. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 13:08:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7I2CY21652; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:02:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:02:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <032401c3a5c7$f8a2ce40$4b68f93f@BJORK> References: <032401c3a5c7$f8a2ce40$4b68f93f@BJORK> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:02:05 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: -1 () IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.29 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Depends on the context. In my main band, Eleven Eyes, I loop on exactly one tune, I use a DL-4 to set up a keyboard loop for the intro of a tune, I mostly use the DL-4 for delays, I love the filtered tape echo patch! It's a six piece band, with horns, turntables, guitar and drums, and I mostly play bass, and it's just such a dense sound that I don't see the need for more clones of me in the mix. Our DJ does a lot of looping of his turntables, and also plays back sampled loops. In my infrequent duo/trio gigs, I do a lot of looping, using a Repeater and a JamMan, with a Lexicon Vortex in the FX loop of the Repeater. The Repeater and JamMan are clocked from either an ER-1 or, lately, an Adrennalinn. There's also a Nord Micromodular playing step-sequenced synth loops. Sound sources are Rhodes, Nord Lead and MiniMoog, maybe a little bass. I've also been considering integrating my laptop, running Reason and Live, into the above setup, possible replacing the Repeater and JamMan. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 13:14:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7I9Ph25381; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:09:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:09:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1da.13eea97b.2cdd3558@aol.com> References: <1da.13eea97b.2cdd3558@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:09:17 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: What!?!?!?! Four (4) friggin' EDPs!?!?!?! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 () IN_REP_TO,MANY_EXCLAMATIONS,PLING_QUERY,REFERENCES X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.29 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Resent-Message-ID: <9v8bJC.A.cMG.V_9q_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Stevie, Stevie, Stevie, > >In a message dated 11/7/03 1:21:44 AM, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: > >>four EDPs, > >In case I missed it (if you shared your rationale with the LD >list previously), why so many? What do you use 'em all for? > >I can imagine a few things . . . but I guess it still baffles me >a little bit considering how much the darn things cost. > It's obvious:he's looping in quad! I'm sure Steve is eventually planning on getting 2 more, so he can loop in true 5.1 Surround. :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 13:16:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7IC4o26782; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:12:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:12:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C3A562.FB653D80@dyn-213-36-221-12.ppp.tiscali.fr> From: Francois LEBRUN To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: What!?!?!?! Four (4) friggin' EDPs!?!?!?! Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 19:10:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01C3A562.FB747FC0" Resent-Message-ID: <-UBcyB.A.ViG.zB-q_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01C3A562.FB747FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I noticed that : a good number of people seem to use more than one EDP = !! brings a few remars :=20 1 - I guess it is a bit cheaper in the US than over here;=20 2 - what justifies using 2 or more, meaning : what should be added to = one EDP to make it the perfect machine (and not have to buy an extra one = or two or ...) ? 3 - how do you wire/cable/link the all stuff !!! ? F -----Message d'origine----- De: ArsOcarina@aol.com [SMTP:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Date: vendredi 7 novembre 2003 18:50 =C0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: What!?!?!?! Four (4) friggin' EDPs!?!?!?! Stevie, Stevie, Stevie,=20 In a message dated 11/7/03 1:21:44 AM, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: >four EDPs, In case I missed it (if you shared your rationale with the LD list previously), why so many? What do you use 'em all for? I can imagine a few things . . . but I guess it still baffles me=20 a little bit considering how much the darn things cost. Seriously curious, tEd =AE kiLLiAn http://www.mp3.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html PS, My whole family has enjoyed "Conversations" and "Not Dancing for Chicken." I keep meaning to order the new one "For the Love of Open Spaces." Perhaps that'll explain the=20 number of EDPs too. Anywho. 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Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:15:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:15:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 13:13:14 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006301c3a55b$1fe341a0$1912be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <004e01c3a532$d933bbe0$1912be18@oemcomputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Earlier today I wrote: > Bob Sellon-modded Lexicon PCM 42 (18 seconds of delay, reverse, infinite > freeze) > Akai Headrush > Boss DD-6 OOOPS! I forgot to include the Boss GT-3 multi-fx pedal, which is wicked good for delays/loops up to 2.5 seconds or so. > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > coyotelk@optonline.net > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 13:27:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7INAp29701; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:23:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:23:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen " To: Subject: RE: Echoplex problems Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 18:23:12 -0000 Message-ID: <000501c3a55c$347a2420$0100a8c0@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <005901c3a4d0$2dcf77b0$0200a8c0@amd> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yup, that's definitely the first step. I was in a real hurry last night and didn't follow my own rules on fault-finding!! I'd carefully remove all socketed chips including the memory, clean any contacts that look tarnished and see if that cures the problem. If not, let me know, (off-list if you like) and I'll suggest other things to try. -----Original Message----- From: Jesse Ray Lucas [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net] Sent: 07 November 2003 01:41 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex problems I was going to suggest opening the Echoplex and re-seating the Loop3.5 chip. But, Andy Ewen probably knows best. -Jesse From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 13:39:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7IWWr30993; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:32:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:32:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FABE42E.E4290AAF@mhorse.com> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 10:27:58 -0800 From: Daryl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------2EC65E10B0437FE4BA10E74D" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------2EC65E10B0437FE4BA10E74D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit looping: Tascam 464 4-track w/loop cassette Yamaha MT-100 4-track w/loop cassette Sony M-2000 minicassette transcriber (just bought last week, and my cheapest gear ever - $6! amazing potential) futzing: DOD r-880 analog delay Digitech 1002 stompbox delay Ibanez DE-7 stompbox echo/delay As soon as I face up to the reality of committing my lovely analog noise to digital, I'm going to make some mp3's and an article on cassette looping techniques...I'm still finding new possibilities. plus it's cheap! my (all used) entire setup above cost less then $250... Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com --------------2EC65E10B0437FE4BA10E74D Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  
looping:
Tascam 464 4-track w/loop cassette
Yamaha MT-100 4-track w/loop cassette
Sony M-2000 minicassette transcriber (just bought last week, and my cheapest gear ever - $6!  amazing potential)

futzing:
DOD r-880 analog delay
Digitech 1002 stompbox delay
Ibanez DE-7 stompbox echo/delay

As soon as I face up to the reality of committing my lovely analog noise to digital, I'm going to make some mp3's and an article on cassette looping techniques...I'm still finding new possibilities.  plus it's cheap! my (all used) entire setup above cost less then $250...

Daryl Shawn
highhorse@mhorse.com --------------2EC65E10B0437FE4BA10E74D-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 13:39:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7IYq131323; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:34:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:34:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: Echoplex problems Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 19:36:18 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000501c3a55c$347a2420$0100a8c0@p4> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.60 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't off-list, please. I'm curious how you'd tame a contumacious EDP! Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Ewen [mailto:andy.ewen@btinternet.com] > Sent: Freitag, 7. November 2003 19:23 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Echoplex problems > > > > Yup, that's definitely the first step. I was in a real hurry last night > and didn't follow my own rules on fault-finding!! > I'd carefully remove all socketed chips including the memory, clean any > contacts that look tarnished and see if that cures the problem. If not, > let me know, (off-list if you like) and I'll suggest other things to > try. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jesse Ray Lucas [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net] > Sent: 07 November 2003 01:41 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Echoplex problems > > I was going to suggest opening the Echoplex and re-seating the Loop3.5 > chip. > But, Andy Ewen probably knows best. > > -Jesse > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 13:45:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7IhNP00588; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:43:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:43:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <168.26116632.2cdd41c6@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:43:18 EST Subject: Re: What!?!?!?! Four (4) friggin' EDPs!?!?!?! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hA7IhMo00557 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Francois, In a message dated 11/7/03 10:13:34 AM, fr.lebrun@free.fr writes: >what justifies using 2 or more I use 2 myself as a stereo pair (for the uninitiated, EDPs are mono devices). Link 'em together with a short MIDI cable and a short TRS cable to "Brother Sync" 'em and voila . . . instant stereo Echoplexi. I suppose, "quad" would be an option too . . . but I'll wait to hear from Mr. Lawson himself to see if that's what he's using 4 the li'l buggers to create. I suspect he's subdividing the loop cycles in some of the units to get synched delays. But I'm not even sure of that . . . Best, tEd Ū kiLLiAn http://www.mp3.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 13:51:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7ImIG01671; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:48:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:48:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:48:11 -0800 Message-ID: <3FA1F7F300004E37@mta12.wss.scd.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <032401c3a5c7$f8a2ce40$4b68f93f@BJORK> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: RE: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hA7ImIo01645 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Acid AmbiLoop My Brain... :) -cpr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 14:27:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7JO5Q12618; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:24:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:24:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.10 (webedge20-101-191-20030113) From: To: Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:23:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com from [127.0.0.1] using ID at Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:23:32 -0500 Message-Id: <20031107192332.WQER406311.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@localhost> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ahem...um...Time Lag Accumulator. Yes folks, you may have seen the mention of me and a few others playing the Planet of the Loops segment of the Ambient Ping earlier this week. Had the two Tandbergs set up and let 'em fly. It turned out quite well over all, though I was a bit disappointed at the number of audible repetitions. Could have been either the fact of playing with others, which I haven't used it in before, or perhaps there was just a slight mis-alignment of the decks. Still, the results proved satisfying to both us and the audience. I used a Roland JX-3P during the first set, then switched to a cheap, modified electric guitar and a metal plate with piezo contact-mic for the second - much more free-form - set. James Bailey host: Electric Storm / A Missing Sense CKLN-FM 88.1 Toronto www.ckln.fm electricstorm@ckln.fm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 14:29:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7JRfX13537; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:27:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:27:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:29:22 -0600 Subject: Re: What!?!?!?! Four (4) friggin' EDPs!?!?!?! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Michael Firman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <01C3A562.FB653D80@dyn-213-36-221-12.ppp.tiscali.fr> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have 2 EDPs that are connected via MIDI and Brother Synced. I use them as a stereo pair in the following manner: I have a Mackie mixer that has an Alternate bus stereo output. I run this bus out to the pair of EDPs and then take the output of the EDPs and run them into a stereo channel of the mixer (being careful not to have the alternate bus switch set on that channel!!!). Now I have several things plugged into the other channels of the mixer (either on stereo or mono channels). Now, when I want to loop something I punch the alternate bus switch and the signal from that channel gets sent to the EDPs (which, as I mentioned earlier, are always on the main bus). It's a really nice setup. I run processed rin gongs through it, I run Modular synth voices throught it, I run stereo synth voices throught, and I run stereo drum machines through it, selecting and deselecting what I send to the loopers. With careful balancing of the faders and application of the effects on the effects busses, I can get it so you don't even know when I punch the alternate bus button for a particular channel. Works really well. On Friday, November 7, 2003, at 12:10 PM, Francois LEBRUN wrote: > > I noticed that : a good number of people seem to use more than one EDP > !! > brings a few remars : > > 1 - I guess it is a bit cheaper in the US than over here; > 2 - what justifies using 2 or more, meaning : what should be added to > one EDP to make it the perfect machine (and not have to buy an extra > one or two or ...) ? > 3 - how do you wire/cable/link the all stuff !!! ? > -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 14:41:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7JYpb15008; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:34:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:34:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:34:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <1ca.13e0c677.2cdd221d@aol.com> Thread-Index: AcOlTI0btcRY+RSrTJi0DAXTSCCm0wAGV+cw X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [4.4.59.239] at Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:34:46 -0600 Message-Id: <20031107193446.FRTR2057.out001.verizon.net@home> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use only 1 EDP (I feel so left out!) alsong with a Roland GP-100 for short 2 second loops or 20 second reverb washes. I use a DL4 with the 'small rig' or when I play acoustic. We have 2 more DL4s in my band as well as 1 Boomerang. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 14:52:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7JmhW18713; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:48:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:48:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.144.36.162] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: RE: DFX-94's, stars of the lid Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 11:48:36 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2003 19:48:37.0140 (UTC) FILETIME=[228DB540:01C3A568] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com nope, I know they're popular in lots of music circles, but I still haven't heard them yet. Curious as to how others would use these. I've been using them since they were new. Haven't found another looper/sampler with the same versatility & ease of use. I bought a Dr. Sample, but now I pretty much just use it as an FX unit. (Unlike most loopers, I'm actually magnetically repelled from large rigs.) "Gareth Hardwick" done wrote: >fan of Stars of the Lid by any chance? > >Brian McBridge from SotL used to use 2 x DFX94 ----- Original Message ----- From: "matt davignon" >2 DOD DFX-94's (4-second squashbox loopers) > >That's it. Someday I'll upgrade. _________________________________________________________________ Crave some Miles Davis or Grateful Dead? Your old favorites are always playing on MSN Radio Plus. Trial month free! http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 14:53:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7Jo5I18940; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:50:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:50:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 20:50:04 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE X-Mailer: Virtual Access by Atlantic Coast PLC, http://www.atlantic-coast.com/va Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <032401c3a5c7$f8a2ce40$4b68f93f@BJORK> References: <032401c3a5c7$f8a2ce40$4b68f93f@BJORK> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Boomerang. -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 14:57:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7Jqr219532; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:52:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:52:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b001c3a568$cc0d2060$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <031b01c3a5c7$87d7d610$4b68f93f@BJORK> Subject: Re: proposal for a new thread -- Loop Tools - Survey Results - Sept 1997 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:53:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [68.163.186.126] at Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:52:50 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <0v0Yp.A.CxE.Ug_q_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick - Nice topic, would you like to tally up all the results so we can see what peopel in 2003 are using. I ran a similar poll a few years back (Sept. 1997). Here are the results from that one. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ A questionnaire was very quickly conceived on the morning of Thursday 10th September. The study consisted of 12 questions - eight Yes/No and four open-ended measures. Appendix I Q5a. Please list the other Loopers you own? Note: 43 people of the Total Sample of 48 have some kind of looping tool An open-ended question asked respondents to list the looping devices they currently own. The table below summarizes results. As can be seen, the Lexicon company dominates the Looping device market with 52.8% of all units sold. Looking at the detailed results presented in Appendix I, it can be seen the JamMan unit has most successfully penetrated this market, accounting for 30.3% of all units sold - twice the success of the EDP. Taken together, the Lexicon JamMan, Lexicon Vortex and Oberheim EDP account for 60.6% of looping devices sold. Devices Owners (Tot Owners=43) N % N % Oberheim Echoplex DP 13 14.6 13 30.2% Lexicon JamMan 27 30.3 23 53.5 Vortex 14 15.7 13 30.2 PCM-42 3 3.4 3 6.9 LXP-15II 2 2.2 2 4.7 LXP-5 1 1.1 1 2.3 Lexicon Total 47 52.8 - - Digitech RDS8000 3 3.4 3 6.9 Time Machine 2 2.2 2 4.7 GSP2101 2 2.2 2 4.7 RP-6 1 1.1 1 2.3 TSR24S 1 1.1 1 2.3 RDS 7.6 1 1.1 1 2.3 3.6 Delay 1 1.1 1 2.3 Digitech Total 11 12.4 - - Eventide H3500 2 2.2 2 4.7 H3000 1 1.1 1 2.3 GTR4000 1 1.1 1 2.3 DSX 1 1.1 1 2.3 Eventide Total 5 5.6 - - Boss Delay/Reverb 1 1.1 1 2.3 GT5 1 1.1 1 2.3 Boss Total 2 2.2 - - Other Zoom 506 1 1.1 1 2.3 Korg SDD2000 1 1.1 1 2.3 DeltaLabs CompuEffectron 1 1.1 1 2.3 Yamaha SPX1000 1 1.1 1 2.3 Roland DEP-5 1 1.1 1 2.3 Alesis Quadraverb 1 1.1 1 2.3 Paradis Loop Delay 1 1.1 1 2.3 Lisa Software 1 1.1 1 2.3 Tape Decks 1 1.1 1 2.3 Other Total 9 1.1 - - Grand Total Looping Devices 89 100.0 Owners 43 100.0 ---- Original Message ----- From: loop.pool To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 2:11 AM Subject: proposal for a new thread Why doesn't everyone send in which loopers they use live (or in the studio) and let's see what the demographic actually is on this list. Let's keep it simple. as a matter of fact I'll start it off with the next post. yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 15:02:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7Jvdv20785; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:57:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:57:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b801c3a569$77458620$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <032401c3a5c7$f8a2ce40$4b68f93f@BJORK> Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:58:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [68.163.186.126] at Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:57:37 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In my looping rig: Loopers used for looping - 2 Gibson/Oberheim EDPs (Loop IV) Can loop, but not used that way ever... - 1 Korg SDD2000 - 1 Korg DL8000 - 1 Korg Kaoss Pad II - 1 Lexicon Vortex In my non-looping rig - Gibson EDP (Loop III) David Kirkdorffer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 15:09:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7K52523543; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:05:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:05:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00dc01c3a56a$69b71b30$6601010a@BARNEY> From: "Gene Ehrbar" To: References: <032401c3a5c7$f8a2ce40$4b68f93f@BJORK> Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:04:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sound sources: Electric guitar & bass, voice, hand percussion, vinyl records; keyboard & drumkat via Propellerheads Reason Loopage: PC running Ableton Live w/MixMan DM2 (using DM2MIDI hack) as outboard controller From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 15:09:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7K5Wk23810; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:05:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:05:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <032401c3a5c7$f8a2ce40$4b68f93f@BJORK> <00b801c3a569$77458620$0affff0a@hppav> Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:05:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2003 20:05:26.0217 (UTC) FILETIME=[7C02A390:01C3A56A] Resent-Message-ID: <-rN25.A.6zF.Ms_q_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com EDP with LoopIV Repeater From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 15:17:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7KDRx25394; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:13:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:13:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1e4.12dd38c5.2cdd56e1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:13:21 EST Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hA7KDQo25367 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I hope somebody is keeping score/track of all this. tEd Ū kiLLiAn http://www.mp3.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 15:19:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7KE5A25586; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:14:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:14:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007e01c3a56b$d1e47580$d520fea9@trucknutz> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: What!?!?!?! Four (4) friggin' EDPs!?!?!?! Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 20:14:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > In case I missed it (if you shared your rationale with the LD > list previously), why so many? What do you use 'em all for? > > I can imagine a few things . . . but I guess it still baffles me > a little bit considering how much the darn things cost. > > PS, My whole family has enjoyed "Conversations" and "Not > Dancing for Chicken." I keep meaning to order the new one > "For the Love of Open Spaces." Perhaps that'll explain the > number of EDPs too. Anywho. I AM curious. Hi Ted, four EDPs is just like two EDPs only there are more of them... :o) I don't hook them all up together too often, but if I do usually I have them all unsync'd, and use one set to about 10 loops as a sampler, so I can just catch little bits of sounds and melodies and bring them back in later. the other three are likely to be chord progression or bass line in one, atmospherics in two and weirdness/backwards/skronk stuff on the third one... But, to be honest, it's such a freakin' headache to keep track of what's going on where, that I nearly always end up just using the two... cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 15:19:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7KGmL26235; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:16:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:16:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 21:16:40 +0100 Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <22A6CBEA-111D-11D8-A9A9-0003930F282A@mlswebworks.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-a2cCB.A.wZG.v2_q_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com EDP --> AKAI MFC42 analogue filterbank --> Laptop (Live 3.0 with plug-ins) EDP being midi clock master while the filterbanks beat synced filters and Live 3.0 are slaves. I also own a Repeater but Live 3.0 has almost replaced it in my live rig. One Lexicon digital reverb device and two analogue compressors also play an important role. -- Best wishes Per Boysen www.boysen.se From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 15:24:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7KJfQ26842; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:19:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:19:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:19:40 -0700 Message-Id: <200311072019.hA7KJee22756@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.28.241 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Okay, why not Primary: DL4 Repeater Secondary: Digitech 2120 (2 10 second loops (with feedback :-) Vortex Korg AX300G (2 seconds max) Mo-Fx How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 15:33:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7KUqn29629; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:30:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:30:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C3A576.62971BA0@dyn-213-36-221-12.ppp.tiscali.fr> From: Francois LEBRUN To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: What!?!?!?! Four (4) friggin' EDPs!?!?!?! Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 20:29:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01C3A576.629EBCC0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01C3A576.629EBCC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks for the details Ted.=20 The idea of sending multiple sub loops to more machines had already come to my mind=20 (Boomerang to EDP in my case). Regards F -----Message d'origine----- De: ArsOcarina@aol.com [SMTP:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Date: vendredi 7 novembre 2003 19:43 =C0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: Re: What!?!?!?! Four (4) friggin' EDPs!?!?!?! Francois, In a message dated 11/7/03 10:13:34 AM, fr.lebrun@free.fr writes: >what justifies using 2 or more I use 2 myself as a stereo pair (for the uninitiated, EDPs are mono devices). Link 'em together with a short MIDI cable and a short TRS cable to "Brother Sync" 'em and voila . . . instant stereo Echoplexi.=20 I suppose, "quad" would be an option too . . . but I'll wait to hear = from Mr. Lawson himself to see if that's what he's using 4 the li'l buggers=20 to create. I suspect he's subdividing the loop cycles in some of the=20 units to get synched delays. But I'm not even sure of that . . . 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Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:59:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:59:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1e2.12ee1f30.2cdd61c9@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:59:53 EST Subject: Re: EDP hiccup and giggle To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e2.12ee1f30.2cdd61c9_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1e2.12ee1f30.2cdd61c9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/7/03 11:14:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, kbrunkhorst@charter.net writes: > np: the Brak Show > the only show that should be on tv! isn't that right mother?....michael --part1_1e2.12ee1f30.2cdd61c9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 11/7/03 11:14:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, kbrunkhorst@c= harter.net writes:


np: the Brak Show


the only show that should be on tv!  isn't that right mother?....michae= l --part1_1e2.12ee1f30.2cdd61c9_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 17:14:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7MAWH24417; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:10:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:10:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <7e.4116a6f6.2cdd7250@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:10:24 EST Subject: Per Boysen, Was: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hA7MAWo24391 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per, I was listening to your CD "Happy Ocean" today. It certainly made ME happy. I especially dug track #2 "Five Nordic Beats." Nice stuff. Do more. Best, tEd Ū kiLLiAn http://www.mp3.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 17:14:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7MC9Z24722; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:12:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:12:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031107221208.94922.qmail@web21313.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:12:08 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00b801c3a569$77458620$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <_3B4R.A.KCG.5iBr_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Repeater. 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Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 17:22:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7MKwM26843; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:20:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:20:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FAC1A51.6A6AF70C@pixar.com> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 14:18:57 -0800 From: Alex Stahl Organization: Pixar Animation Studios X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE References: <032401c3a5c7$f8a2ce40$4b68f93f@BJORK> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com two tiBooks running my Max/MSP patches, with Motu 828 Mk II audio interfaces. A Motormix and a Tactex MTC for control. Then there's the upstream and downstream and sidechain effects...but that's another survey... -Alex S. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 17:32:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7MPBD27603; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:25:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:25:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:25:08 -0500 From: Adrian Likins To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Message-ID: <20031107222506.GB902@redhat.com> Reply-To: alikins@redhat.com References: <032401c3a5c7$f8a2ce40$4b68f93f@BJORK> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Resent-Message-ID: <7DYWq.A.LvG.HvBr_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com loopers: Line6 dl-4 long delays (usually one or two of these) digitech pds-8000 digitech pds-2000 digitech pds20/20 peavey ddl3 occasionally used: lexicon vortex currently experiment with a pc running red hat 9 and planetccrma using sooperlooper+pd controlled from an art x15 midi controller[1] [1] http://www.redhat.com, http://ccrma-www.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/, http://www.essej.net/sooperlooper/, http://iem.kug.ac.at/pd/ Adrian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 17:52:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7Ml2v32559; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:47:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:47:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <43.2482a96d.2cdd7add@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:46:53 EST Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com these days just a Boss RC-20 and the original Kaoss Pad. I can't wait until there are EDP's that you can wear on your wrist and regulate by direct synaptic control. cheers BobC visit: www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier The Thumb Piano Project www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 18:22:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7NJfY10650; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 18:19:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 18:19:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KelRey@aol.com Message-ID: <19e.1c6df497.2cdd8282@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 18:19:30 EST Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 11 Resent-Message-ID: <6vwZTC.A.UmC.NiCr_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com EDP w Ver. IV software Repeater Boomerang Kelly From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 18:24:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7NNQC11487; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 18:23:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 18:23:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 19:43:22 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Re: proposal for a new thread In-Reply-To: <120101c3a502$0a82d590$cb04b3d8@ws1> References: <031b01c3a5c7$87d7d610$4b68f93f@BJORK> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2003 23:23:24.0080 (UTC) FILETIME=[23C4B300:01C3A586] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hA7NNPo11460 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Although I (still) aspire to an EDP, I'm using: In electric band: a Line6 Echo Pro controlled by my rebuilt/modified Philip Rees MM5 MIDI pedalboard. I use it with a MIDI wind controller driving 2 modules in a rack + a keyboard. I still have my DL4 and use it for its portability on my flute in an acoustic band. Mainly for delays but for some looping. Regards. IanAt 02:37 07/11/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Digitech RP300 multi-effects pedal into Boomerang which plugs into Fender >amp. Sometimes use an ART tube pre-amp for tone and for consistency. > >I ntend to use the Boomerang live, though I just got it a couple days ago, >so I'm still getting used to it. > >Brian > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: loop.pool >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 2:11 AM >Subject: proposal for a new thread > > >Brian wrote: > >"I think maybe the majority of the folks here are Echoplex people. Like >someone already said, with the 'rang, you just plug it in and let her >rip..." > >I think that the Echoplex is, by far, the most complex and sohpisticated of >the hardware looper, Brian, but this brings up an interesting point. > > >Why doesn't everyone send in which loopers they use live (or in the studio) >and let's see what the demographic actually is on this list. > >Let's keep it simple.   as a matter of fact I'll start it off with the next >post. > > >yours,   Rick > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 18:29:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7NQAq12567; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 18:26:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 18:26:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c3a586$96f5d5c0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <031b01c3a5c7$87d7d610$4b68f93f@BJORK> <00b001c3a568$cc0d2060$0affff0a@hppav> Subject: Re: proposal for a new thread -- Loop Tools - Survey Results - Sept 1997 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 18:26:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out012.verizon.net from [68.163.186.126] at Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:26:08 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ((((earlier post - reformatted for narrow e-mail width and readability...))) Rick - Nice topic, would you like to tally up all the results so we can see what peopel in 2003 are using. I ran a similar poll a few years back (Sept. 1997). Here are the results from that one. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ A questionnaire was very quickly conceived on the morning of Thursday 10th September. The study consisted of 12 questions - eight Yes/No and four open-ended measures. Appendix I Q5a. Please list the other Loopers you own? Note: 43 people of the Total Sample of 48 have some kind of looping tool An open-ended question asked respondents to list the looping devices they currently own. The table below summarizes results. As can be seen, the Lexicon company dominates the Looping device market with 52.8% of all units sold. Looking at the detailed results presented in Appendix I, it can be seen the JamMan unit has most successfully penetrated this market, accounting for 30.3% of all units sold - twice the success of the EDP. Taken together, the Lexicon JamMan, Lexicon Vortex and Oberheim EDP account for 60.6% of looping devices sold. Devices Owners (Tot Owners=43) N % N % Oberheim Echoplex DP 13 14.6 13 30.2% Lexicon JamMan 27 30.3 23 53.5 Vortex 14 15.7 13 30.2 PCM-42 3 3.4 3 6.9 LXP-15II 2 2.2 2 4.7 LXP-5 1 1.1 1 2.3 Lexicon Total 47 52.8 - - Digitech RDS8000 3 3.4 3 6.9 Time Machine 2 2.2 2 4.7 GSP2101 2 2.2 2 4.7 RP-6 1 1.1 1 2.3 TSR24S 1 1.1 1 2.3 RDS 7.6 1 1.1 1 2.3 3.6 Delay 1 1.1 1 2.3 Digitech Total 11 12.4 - - Eventide H3500 2 2.2 2 4.7 H3000 1 1.1 1 2.3 GTR4000 1 1.1 1 2.3 DSX 1 1.1 1 2.3 Eventide Total 5 5.6 - - Boss Delay/Reverb 1 1.1 1 2.3 GT5 1 1.1 1 2.3 Boss Total 2 2.2 - - Other Zoom 506 1 1.1 1 2.3 Korg SDD2000 1 1.1 1 2.3 DeltaLabs CompuEffectron 1 1.1 1 2.3 Yamaha SPX1000 1 1.1 1 2.3 Roland DEP-5 1 1.1 1 2.3 Alesis Quadraverb 1 1.1 1 2.3 Paradis Loop Delay 1 1.1 1 2.3 Lisa Software 1 1.1 1 2.3 Tape Decks 1 1.1 1 2.3 Other Total 9 1.1 - - Grand Total Looping Devices 89 100.0 Owners 43 100.0 ---- Original Message ----- > From: loop.pool > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 2:11 AM > Subject: proposal for a new thread > > Why doesn't everyone send in which loopers they use live (or in the studio) > and let's see what the demographic actually is on this list. > > Let's keep it simple. as a matter of fact I'll start it off with the next > post. > > yours, Rick > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 18:57:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA7NtIb17778; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 18:55:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 18:55:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004501c3a58b$05f3b240$daa55e82@audiows> From: "David. Auker." To: References: <20031107081113.85014.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:58:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tools/toys: EDP/EFC-7, Repeater/FCB1010, Line6 DL-4. Sounds: Alesis QS-8 synth, flute. I took part in the Repeater LD group-purchase - thanks! I imagine a few of you did similar buys on the EDP and DL-4! David (Though I be mostly an acoustic pianist, I love loop-dabbling!) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 19:10:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA808Lk20482; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 19:08:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 19:08:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c3a58c$91a1a440$0d925142@MyComputer> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <20031107081113.85014.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> <004501c3a58b$05f3b240$daa55e82@audiows> Subject: Test... Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 16:09:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Testing... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 20:02:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA80xvh30367; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 19:59:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 19:59:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 20:00:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200311072000.AA413270270@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Repeater DL4 Boomerang Headrush Echoplex Kaos Pad II Live software Reaktor Software I use all the above for live performances in different combinations. In general the order listed is the order I've used them recently. I've been moving towards doing more live laptop stuff though, so Live and Reaktor are gaining fast over the "hardware" loopers I use. Kevin -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- New From Unit Circle: Intonarumori - "Material" http://www.unitcircle.com/rekkids/releases/tUC075/ -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 20:05:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA8132C31143; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 20:03:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 20:03:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: <1dd.13f606a3.2cdd9ac3@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 20:02:59 EST Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1dd.13f606a3.2cdd9ac3_boundary" X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1dd.13f606a3.2cdd9ac3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My looping toys are as follows: -Electrix Repeater -Jamman with ext. mem. -Digitech RDS 7.6 ( I love the mangling you can do with it. ...how come this isn't standard on all delays/loopers)? -Todd --part1_1dd.13f606a3.2cdd9ac3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My looping toys are as fo= llows:
            = ;-Electrix Repeater
            = ;-Jamman with ext. mem.
            = ;-Digitech RDS 7.6  ( I love the mangling you can do with it.
            = ; ...how come this isn't standard  on all delays/loopers)?  -= Todd --part1_1dd.13f606a3.2cdd9ac3_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 20:42:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA81UQu02672; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 20:30:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 20:30:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Mike Barrs" To: Subject: RE: LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:30:19 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Loop-Detect: 1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One Repeater, with another one held in reserve as backup in case the first one ever dies. It would probably be fun to use them both together, but I'm trying to keep my rig as compact as possible, and I already have too much stuff spread out on the floor and in a rack. -- Mike Barrs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 20:56:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA81oKo06853; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 20:50:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 20:50:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c601c3a59a$a7bf8900$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 19:49:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes! Check out that message count! Another landmark event on this list, that once again points out... well... a lot of things... but primarily the fact that loopers love to talk about themselves!! :) Me too, I'll bite. Loopers: (2) Gibson Echoplex Digital Pros Ableton Live For more traditional delay lines, I use: TC Electronics G-Major (always) Boss/Roland GT-6 (sometimes) And just because I'm joining in the "tell us about yourself" spirit of this thread: Amps: (I've been changing between these on and off for over a year, based on what I was trying to do) a Rivera Knucklehead 100 w/ matching 4x12 a Gibson Goldtone GA30-RVS or the GT-6 into 1 or 2 Roland JC-120's Guitars Fender Deluxe Nashville Power Tele (that's a mouthful!) Fernandes Retrorocket Pro (w/ Sustainer) Fender MIM Stratocaster (my current craving, wishlist, consideration-kinda-thing: an 8 string Warr Guitar and the practice time to learn to play it!) Control: Behringer FCB-1010 Footcontroller Mixing: Event EZ-Bus Mixer (I bring my guitar preamp signal in, and send to the EDPs, the G-Major, Ableton Live, and other manglers I have laying around, and send the main outs to the poweramp. Sounds complicated, but it's very simple, and I can take any device in/out of the mix, in various orders, using EZBus presets) Computer: Mini-ITX system (it's on the way here, anyway!) w/ Audiophile 2496 Carriage: 4-space shallow rack Giant duffel bag that can carry the rack, GT6, FCB1010, and EZBus! Pretty heavy mofo, but I can carry it! Based on all of this possible crap, I have a few configurations for looping. I always bring the guitar preamp into the EZBus, and keep the EDPs, GMajor and MiniITX (if used) on the sends. I always use the FCB1010 to control the EDPs, GMajor, EZBus and Ableton Live. So, basically, my mixer, w/ all of it's loopadelic friends, sits in the traditional "fxloop" of which ever guitar amp I'm using. Small, flexible, good for almost everything, but no tubes: GT6 into EZBus w/ goodies into 1 JC120 (add the 2nd JC120 for head spinning craziness that's hardly worth lugging the 2nd amp) Big, loud, heavy, but incredible guitar tone from tubes: Rivera fxloop into EZBus w/ goodies back into Rivera poweramp thru the 4x12 Medium sized, still great tube tone, same stuff to carry as small rig but much heavier amp: Gibson Goldtone fxloop into EZBus w/ goodies back into Gibson poweramp and 2x12 Add to any of these the MiniITX box... Who's tallying the looper data? I think it would be great to compile in the same format as in David's post (the 1997 survey) and see the changes. That's it, I'll shutupnow. Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 21:33:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA82WGo15812; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 21:32:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 21:32:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 21:32:12 EST Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com boomerang-zoom2100-alesis Q-2-alesis ineko-electrix mo-fx-casio cz-5000.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 23:08:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA846Sl07917; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 23:06:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 23:06:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: What!?!?!?! Four (4) friggin' EDPs!?!?!?! Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 20:06:17 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <007e01c3a56b$d1e47580$d520fea9@trucknutz> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve Lawson noted: But, to be honest, it's such a freakin' headache to keep track of what's going on where, that I nearly always end up just using the two... ---->Don't forget Steve's Law (son), "Master one piece of gear before you add another." I have been breaking this law for quite some time now . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 23:19:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA84HKq09944; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 23:17:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 23:17:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FAC6F35.4010907@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 20:21:09 -0800 From: Scott Kungha Drengsen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE References: <19e.1c6df497.2cdd8282@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Echoplex-Eclipse(40 sec delay)-DL-4 > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 00:14:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA85D9i21975; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 00:13:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 00:13:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c3a5b6$fd682e40$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <031b01c3a5c7$87d7d610$4b68f93f@BJORK> <00b001c3a568$cc0d2060$0affff0a@hppav> <001901c3a586$96f5d5c0$0affff0a@hppav> Subject: Re: proposal for a new thread -- Loop Tools - Survey Results - Sept 1997 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 23:12:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <5RKkxC.A.OXF.ltHr_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've started tallying the results from this thread. I'll be caught up (to the List Archive at least!), and will post what we have so far sometime tomorrow. Of course, anyone else is welcome to do the same. We can always compare our data for accuracy. Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 00:38:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA85axC26047; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 00:36:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 00:36:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 21:36:55 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (2) EDPs with LoopIV--1 for percussion, the other for electric guitar and synth bass and keys (well, it's a Ztar) Lexicon MPX G2 for MIDI synced delays and guitar processing--I only half understand this thing . . . Maybe the Kaoss II for some vocal thing or harmonica processing--haven't gotten that far--and Steve Lawson says . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 00:47:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA85icD27822; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 00:44:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 00:44:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 23:44:13 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Lovetone stuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone have a Lovetone Meatball and/or Doppelganger pedal for sale at a reasonable price? Just checkin'. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 02:37:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA87YdJ17985; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 02:34:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 02:34:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@well.com@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <16b.26115ab2.2cdd2a82@aol.com> References: <16b.26115ab2.2cdd2a82@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 23:34:29 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-VBS-Filter-Version: 1.14 (well.com modified) (smtp) Resent-Message-ID: <9Hs9aB.A.1YE.PyJr_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Main rig: Eventide Orville Optional loop Rack: Rane SM82 Mixer Stereo pair of EDPs w/ Loop IV Repeater Misc Max/MSP patches -- | In theory, there is no difference between http://www.xfade.com/ | theory and practice. In practice, there is. cbm@well.com | - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 04:52:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA89o7f12407; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 04:50:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 04:50:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: RE: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 10:51:43 +0100 Message-ID: <001901c3a5dd$ed5ebbf0$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3FAC6F35.4010907@earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com used much for loops: Electrix Repeater Line6 DL4 (Korg Kaoss) can loop, but not used much (for looping): TC D Two Akai Headrush Lexicon Vortex Digitech RDS2001 Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 04:53:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA89qVp12820; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 04:52:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 04:52:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <91.3565b426.2cde16d7@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 04:52:23 EST Subject: Re: What!?!?!?! Four (4) friggin' EDPs!?!?!?! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I run processed rin gongs through it, hi michael er...now you have to tell us what rin gongs are. ....please andy butler( gamelan fan) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 06:11:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA8BB0O30760; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 06:11:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 06:11:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 11:10:48 +0000 Subject: Re: BPM & Pitch Shift on Repeater Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Paul Greenstein To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3F615C4900023228@mta11.wss.scd.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <34A52B82-11DC-11D8-9EC9-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use a Mac for any MIDI and audio related stuff ... maybe there is a Mac equivalent though. I'll have a look. On Friday, November 7, 2003, at 04:44 pm, Chris Roberts wrote: > If there is any reason you don't want to use a sequencer, and you are > running > Windows you can download MIDI-Ox and use it to look at incoming data. I > use this tool all the time and I love it. :) > > peace > -cpr > >> -- Original Message -- >> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 07:54:28 +0000 >> Subject: Re: BPM & Pitch Shift on Repeater >> >> >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 07:23:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA8CKeH12402; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 07:20:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 07:20:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031108122034.69016.qmail@web40514.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 04:20:34 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <34A52B82-11DC-11D8-9EC9-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Roland GP 100 EDP loopV Repeater Echo Pro Controlled with the FCB 1010 But i wish i could control aditionally the parameters of the echo pro with it unfortunatelly you can only configure 2 to send ccs note ons etc. Louie ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 07:25:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA8COFZ13096; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 07:24:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 07:24:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1068294254.3face06e40656@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 07:24:14 -0500 From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What!?!?!?! Four (4) friggin' EDPs!?!?!?! References: <91.3565b426.2cde16d7@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <91.3565b426.2cde16d7@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.180.194 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting SoundFNR@aol.com: > er...now you have to tell us what rin gongs are. i don't know what they are, but i gotta say he makes some pretty cool sounds with that rig. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 09:13:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA8ECot05577; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 09:12:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 09:12:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.237.88.228] X-Originating-Email: [vibraphonic_@hotmail.com] From: "s. morris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 08:12:43 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2003 14:12:43.0873 (UTC) FILETIME=[60AEF510:01C3A602] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com


loop with:

akai headrush

boss rc-20 loopstation

 shane morris


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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 09:22:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA8EKao07559; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 09:20:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 09:20:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FACFECB.923D9BAD@erols.com> Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 09:33:47 -0500 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE References: <032401c3a5c7$f8a2ce40$4b68f93f@BJORK> <00b801c3a569$77458620$0affff0a@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jon Wagner wrote: > EDP with LoopIV > Repeater Gibson EDP with LoopIV From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 10:47:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA8Fjcr28922; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 10:45:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 10:45:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 09:47:27 -0600 Subject: Re: What!?!?!?! Four (4) friggin' EDPs!?!?!?! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Michael Firman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1068294254.3face06e40656@www.suitandtieguy.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Rin gongs are little Japanese bowl gongs similar to "singing" bowls but are a little deeper in shape. I connect contact mics to them. With these, various effects (the Space Station, TC M300, Kaoss Pad, modular synth processing), and the loopers, one can create sounds as subtile as a walk in the fall woods or as hugh and in your face as humpback whales. (Thanks Eric, glad you like the stuff I do). On Saturday, November 8, 2003, at 06:24 AM, Eric Williamson wrote: > Quoting SoundFNR@aol.com: >> er...now you have to tell us what rin gongs are. > > i don't know what they are, but i gotta say he makes some pretty cool > sounds > with that rig. > > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > > -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 11:08:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA8G7PK02998; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 11:07:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 11:07:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017401c3a612$6375ea00$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <031b01c3a5c7$87d7d610$4b68f93f@BJORK> <00b001c3a568$cc0d2060$0affff0a@hppav> <001901c3a586$96f5d5c0$0affff0a@hppav> Subject: Loop Tools - Raw Survey Results - Nov 2003 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 10:07:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <165euC.A.tu.9SRr_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've tallied all the posts that are in the LD Archive as of 10AM CST Saturday Nov 8th. I'm planning to leave this open for a week from Rick's original post, which would be Friday November 14th. Current raw results are here: http://www.mrscox.com/loopers/loopers.htm Please check a couple of things: 1) your own data, and email me privately if you think I've inaccurately interpreted your post 2) help me look for incorrect or "doubled" column titles (the equipment) If you're not there yet, and you've posted to the list, please be patient. I'm using the LD archives to walk through post by post and tally. Once we close the survey, I can tally the results in the same format as the 1997 survey, and we can compare. Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 11:23:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA8GMso07098; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 11:22:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 11:22:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C3A61C.E8014BC0@dyn-195-242-123-2.ppp.tiscali.fr> From: Francois LEBRUN To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 17:18:42 +0100 Encoding: 9 TEXT, 47 UUENCODE X-MS-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 Resent-Message-ID: <8AShrC.A.uuB.ehRr_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Boomerang EDP IV DOD DFX 94 EMS AKS sequencer Francois begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(B40`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <` M& ```$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`0V ! `"`````@`"``$$ MD 8`( (```$````0`````P``, ,````+``\.``````(!_P\!````90`````` M``"!*Q^DOJ,0&9UN`-T!#U0"`````$QO;W!E``,P`0```"0```!, M;V]P97)S+41E;&EG:'1 ;&]O<&5RLMQD/,$L2,` M& ````````#]@N@>\"##$;+^(GK+<9#S(H8``! ```#:G+XX`:;#$;+_(GK+ M<9#S' ```%)%.B!42$4@3$]/4$E.1R!43T],4R!)(%5310`````#`#8````` M`$ `.0#@,++Y$Z;#`1X`< `!````' ```%)%.B!42$4@3$]/4$E.1R!43T], M4R!)(%5310`"`7$``0```!8````!PZ83YW[8+2XB$?P1V)[C1$535 `````> M`!X,`0````4```!33510`````!X`'PP!````$@```&9R+FQE8G)U;D!F "" &``````# ````````1@`````.A0````````,` M"( (( 8``````, ```````!&`````!&%`````````P`)@ @@!@``````P `` M`````$8`````&(4````````>``J "" &``````# ````````1@`````VA0`` M`0````$`````````'@`+@ @@!@``````P ```````$8`````-X4```$````! M`````````!X`#( (( 8``````, ```````!&`````#B%```!`````0`````` @```>`#T``0````4```!213H@``````,`#33]-P``E>.% ` end From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 11:29:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA8GSTw08603; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 11:28:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 11:28:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 11:28:19 -0500 Subject: Shameless NYC gig spam, 11/10/03 9.30pm Joe's pub. Todd Reynolds From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3151135700_749667" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3151135700_749667 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable To the community, looping will take place among other things... If you come, I hope you=B9ll say hi... It=B9s all about the hang. All best, Todd =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 Joe's Pub presents... todd reynolds' nuove uova 2 [new eggs 2] NYC's most daring violinist-composer returns to Joe's Pub to offer up another night of brand spankin' new tunes for violin and electricity, with vibes, beats, boomboxes, laptops and more... Music by Todd Reynolds, John King, Phil Kline and Randall Woolf, with special guests David Cossin, Phil Kline and the Jesse Stiles 3000. Monday, November 10, 2003 9:30PM | $15 Joe's Pub 425 Lafayette St. @ St. Marks Tele-charge 212-239-6200 Reservations 212-539-8778 ***Just the perfect way to start your week!*** Also: Don't miss Todd Reynolds on WNYC's Soundcheck! Thursday, Nov. 6 @ 2PM on 93.9 FM *************************************************************************** =20 *************************************************************************** Known as a boundary-breaking, fearless violinist-composer who =93flies without a net,=94 Todd Reynolds weaves together composed and improvised segments and makes use of MACG4 technology and digital loops to create his music, incorporating minimalist, pop, Jazz, Indian, African, Celtic and indigenous folk musics into his own sonic blend. NUOVE UOVA was developed as a vehicle for solo violin music written for Reynolds. Composers such as Michael Gordon, Ingram Marshall, Randall Woolf, Evan Ziporyn, John King and Phil Kline have all contributed music for NUOVE UOVA. NUOVE UOVA I was premiered to a full capacity house at Joe=92s Pub in December 2002. A student of the late Jascha Heifetz, Reynolds is a founding member of Ethel and a longtime member of Bang On A Can and The Steve Reich Ensemble. He is also a member of Yo-Yo Ma=92s Silk Road Project and, in 2002, conducted Giovanni Sollima=92s Ellis Island, a large-scale opera (70-piece orchestra, 70-member cast) in the Sicilian theater where The Godfather was filmed. He is the recipient of an American Composers Grant for the work Still Life with Mic and a 2003 Meet-the-Composer Commissioning Music/USA award for a new theatrical string quartet piece for Ethel. TODD REYNOLDS OFFICIAL WEBSITE http://r.vresp.com/?SOZOMEDIA/28af322e37/134232/TEST *************************************************************************** JOE'S PUB OFFICIAL SITE http://r.vresp.com/?SOZOMEDIA/7df881e037/134232/TEST *************************************************************************** Dear AOL 9.0 users: Please add ethel@mail.rvesp.com and todd_reynolds@mail.vresp.com to your address book so you=92re sure to receive the news that you asked for :-) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from Ethel's (and Todd's) list click here: http://unsubscribe.vresp.com/u.html?00e885a359/TEST _____________________________________________________________________ Click below to Forward this message to a Friend: http://oi.vresp.com/f2af/doit.html?ch=3D00e885a359&ldh=3DTEST _____________________________________________________________________ This message was sent by todd reynolds using VerticalResponse's iBuilder (TM) Read the VerticalResponse marketing policy: http://www.verticalresponse.com/content/pm_policy.html --B_3151135700_749667 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Shameless NYC gig spam, 11/10/03 9.30pm Joe's pub.  Todd Reynol= ds To the community,  = ;looping will take place among other things...

If you come, I hope you’ll say hi... It’s all about the hang.
All best,

Todd

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Joe's Pub presents...
todd reynolds'
nuove uova 2 [new eggs 2]
NYC's most daring violinist-composer returns to Joe's Pub to offer up
another night of brand spankin' new tunes for violin and electricity, with<= BR> vibes, beats, boomboxes, laptops and more...
Music by Todd Reynolds, John King, Phil Kline and Randall Woolf, with
special guests David Cossin, Phil Kline and the Jesse Stiles 3000.
Monday, November 10, 2003
9:30PM | $15
Joe's Pub 425 Lafayette St. @ St. Marks
Tele-charge 212-239-6200
Reservations 212-539-8778

***Just the perfect way to start your week!***

Also: Don't miss Todd Reynolds on WNYC's Soundcheck!
Thursday, Nov. 6 @ 2PM on 93.9 FM


***************************************************************************=
 
***************************************************************************=
Known as a boundary-breaking, fearless violinist-composer who =93flies
without a net,=94 Todd Reynolds weaves together composed and improvised
segments and makes use of MACG4 technology and digital loops to create his<= BR> music, incorporating minimalist, pop, Jazz, Indian, African, Celtic and
indigenous folk musics into his own sonic blend.

NUOVE UOVA was developed as a vehicle for solo violin music written for
Reynolds. Composers such as Michael Gordon, Ingram Marshall, Randall
Woolf, Evan Ziporyn, John King and Phil Kline have all contributed music for NUOVE UOVA.  NUOVE UOVA I was premiered to a full capacity house a= t
Joe=92s Pub in December 2002.  

A student of the late Jascha Heifetz, Reynolds is a founding member of
Ethel and a longtime member of Bang On A Can and The Steve Reich Ensemble.<= BR>  He is also a member of Yo-Yo Ma=92s Silk Road Project and, in 2002,
conducted Giovanni Sollima=92s Ellis Island, a large-scale opera (70-piece orchestra, 70-member cast) in the Sicilian theater where The Godfather was<= BR> filmed. He is the recipient of an American Composers Grant for the work
Still Life with Mic and a 2003 Meet-the-Composer Commissioning Music/USA award for a new theatrical string quartet piece for Ethel.  


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--B_3151135700_749667-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 11:36:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA8GYIo10183; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 11:34:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 11:34:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.25.114.204] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: References: <01C3A61C.E8014BC0@dyn-195-242-123-2.ppp.tiscali.fr> Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 08:34:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01C3A5D3.10D0D5B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 08:34:03 -0800 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2003 16:34:10.0413 (UTC) FILETIME=[230E31D0:01C3A616] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C3A5D3.10D0D5B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Electrix Repeater Line6 DL4 delay modeler Line6 Pod Pro*) Roland GR33*) *) not loopers in and of themselves but coerced into looping mode Nic ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C3A5D3.10D0D5B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Electrix Repeater
Line6 DL4 delay modeler
Line6 Pod Pro*)
Roland GR33*)
 
*) not loopers in and of themselves but coerced into looping = mode
 
Nic
------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C3A5D3.10D0D5B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 12:01:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA8Gxwl18365; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 11:59:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 11:59:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031108165952.37149.qmail@web80209.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 08:59:52 -0800 (PST) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: Re: Lovetone stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "lovetone" and "reasonable price" don't belong in the same sentence...unless it's this one. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 12:02:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA8H1nS18858; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 12:01:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 12:01:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.25.114.204] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: "Reflector Loopers-Delight" Subject: CD & GIG SPAM combo: Fractal - Continuum CD release event (SF Bay area) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 09:01:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01C3A5D6.E9DB65C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 09:01:36 -0800 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2003 17:01:43.0325 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC448CD0:01C3A619] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C3A5D6.E9DB65C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings fellow loopists, I am happy and proud to let you know that our debut CD, Continuum, is = out and available. Please feel welcomed to check out our site for more = info (www.fractal-continuum.com), or go directly to CDBaby = (www.cdbaby.com/fractal) to hear mp3 samples and for concise album/band = info. To celebrate, we'll be playing a show next Saturday Nov 15th at the = Britannia Arms in Cupertino, CA by way of a CD release event. There will = be no cover charge. Details at www.fractal-continuum.com. All the best, Nic ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C3A5D6.E9DB65C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings fellow loopists,
 
I am happy and proud to let you know that our debut CD, Continuum, = is out=20 and available. Please feel welcomed to check out our site for more info = (www.fractal-continuum.com),= or go=20 directly to CDBaby (www.cdbaby.com/fractal) to = hear mp3=20 samples and for concise album/band info.
 
To celebrate, we'll be playing a show next Saturday Nov 15th at the = Britannia Arms in Cupertino, CA by way of a CD release event. There will = be no=20 cover charge. Details at www.fractal-continuum.com.<= /DIV>
 
All the best,
Nic
 
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C3A5D6.E9DB65C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 12:06:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA8H5sE19948; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 12:05:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 12:05:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 09:05:38 -0800 Subject: Re: LOOPING TOOLS I USE From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031107193446.FRTR2057.out001.verizon.net@home> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 3 EDPs (1 Oberheim, 2 Gibsons) though I've only ever used 2 at once and one of them (the newest Gibson) is being flakey right now. I use them as independent but brother sync'd loops. I got the third expecting to run one stereo pair and a mono loop, but rack space is at a bit of a premium when not at home. I recently picked up a Line6 DL-4 and a Line6 EchoPro and I've played a bit with the loopers on them, but I mostly got them for the delay models. I will use the hold feature on the Korg DL8000R or feedback control on the Lexicon Vortex to sustain relatively short loops, but I mostly use them for effects not looping. I liked the answer "my brain" since I have frequently just repeated material myself rather than using electronic assistance. --- Past loopers --- Digitech RDS3600 -- flaked out after about a year back in 1986. I've still got and it's free to anyone who comes and picks it up (Santa Cruz, CA). I would rather not have anyone expend cash to get it since I don't know whether it's repairable. A Roland rackmount echo whose name escapes me right now. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 12:14:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA8HCQf21721; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 12:12:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 12:12:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 09:12:24 -0800 Subject: Re: LOOPING TOOLS I USE From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 11/8/03 9:05 AM, Mark Hamburg at mark_hamburg@baymoon.com wrote: > --- Past loopers --- > > Digitech RDS3600 -- flaked out after about a year back in 1986. I've still > got and it's free to anyone who comes and picks it up (Santa Cruz, CA). I > would rather not have anyone expend cash to get it since I don't know > whether it's repairable. > > A Roland rackmount echo whose name escapes me right now. I forgot. I also had a Repeater briefly. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 12:43:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA8HfM030162; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 12:41:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 12:41:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: RE: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 18:43:55 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Seen: false X-ID: rfJDnBZeQeek+7yypW4fan5fLvFq0YfV4FFiBUpLcgDHbfx1aZYWZu@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Echoplex Digital Pro Paradis Loop Delay (the original) (hey, am I the only one here?) Line6 DL-4 Lexicon Vortex Boss GT-5 www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 12:51:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA8HmoQ32213; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 12:48:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 12:48:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c3a620$e0546f20$a828883e@aoldsl.net> From: "Gareth Hardwick" To: References: Subject: boomerang query Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 17:33:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01C3A61E.6514D680" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <2kLsd.A.M3H.BySr_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C3A61E.6514D680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable what sort of power supply does the Boomerang + run from? I'm interested in the unit, but cannot find a UK dealer. If it runs on = a universal Boss style 9v psu, i can order the unit from the US and get = a power supply from the UK. Any ideas? Gareth ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C3A61E.6514D680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
what sort of power supply does the Boomerang + = run=20 from?
 
I'm interested in the unit, but cannot find a UK = dealer.  If it runs on a universal Boss style 9v psu, i can = order the=20 unit from the US and get a power supply from the UK.
 
Any ideas?
 
Gareth
------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C3A61E.6514D680-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 13:25:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA8IOhT09954; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 13:24:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 13:24:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20031108100635.01bc4dc0@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 10:07:02 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE In-Reply-To: <3FACFECB.923D9BAD@erols.com> References: <032401c3a5c7$f8a2ce40$4b68f93f@BJORK> <00b801c3a569$77458620$0affff0a@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com LoopIV EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 13:47:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA8IjSs16483; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 13:45:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 13:45:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c3a628$8e6a0000$404dfea9@manecohsv6y6ib> From: "Maneco" To: References: <032401c3a5c7$f8a2ce40$4b68f93f@BJORK> <00b801c3a569$77458620$0affff0a@hppav> <5.2.1.1.0.20031108100635.01bc4dc0@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> Subject: EH16 clone information site Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 15:46:00 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://manecolooper.tripod.com/ thanks for visiting From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 13:51:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA8InjY18401; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 13:49:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 13:49:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20031108165952.37149.qmail@web80209.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031108165952.37149.qmail@web80209.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 12:49:26 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Lovetone stuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >"lovetone" and "reasonable price" don't belong in the >same sentence...unless it's this one. True. Anyone have any unreasonably priced Lovetone stuff for sale? :) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 14:01:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA8J0Dx22471; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 14:00:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 14:00:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006201c3a62b$fbcb11e0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: References: <16b.26115ab2.2cdd2a82@aol.com> Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 14:10:33 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Main Loopers: Gibson EDP with Loop4 (x2 though 1 is lent to a friend) Line 6 DL-4 Other previously-Main Loopers - now rarely used: Jamperson (expanded) DOD D12 (12 second delay) Alesis Wedge (5 second delay) Ensoniq DP/4 (3.3second delay) Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 15:17:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA8KGSY07857; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 15:16:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 15:16:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00fd01c3a636$a2ae90e0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents dreamSTATE with Pholde + General Chaos Visuals Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 15:26:47 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday November 11th - dreamSTATE with Pholde and General Chaos Visuals Electronics meet Hardened Steel as ambient soundscapers dreamSTATE pair up with notorious metal-soundsculptor Pholde (Alan Bloor aka Knurl) for two sets merging their unique sounds into soundtracks for your darkest dreams. Visit the Pholde site at http://www.pholde.com to see photos of many of Alan's soundsculptures. Play "Psychotronic", an improvisation from a "rehersal" for this show. (Click to play, right-click to download.) LoFi mp3 - http://www.dreamstate.to/play/psychotronic.m3u HiFi mp3 - http://www.dreamstate.to/play/psychotronic_hifi.m3u General Chaos Visuals will be providing their wonderfully abstract analogue light projections to take the show into other dimensions. http://www.generalchaosvisuals.com Between Sets CD - "Linger" by James Johnson (Atmoworks) This newly re-mastered, re-released version of "Linger" now includes "Twilight Impressions", a previously un-released 12 minute track from James Johnson's live collaborative performance with dreamSTATE & Wally Jericho in November 2002 at the Ping, along with Johnson's deeply beautiful original live tracks recorded during his 1st visit to Toronto in 2000. http://www.atmoworks.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday Nov. 18th - Mara's Torment + Hypnotech 3 http://www.corpusnet.com/torment http://www.soundclick.com/bands/8/hypnotech3.htm . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Reprise" by Portal I've always enjoyed the sound of the shoegazer movement out of the UK in the early 90's. Typically involving processed guitar (heavy on the chorus) and hypnotic repeated melodies, the scene was responsible for some truly wonderful albums that were the soundtrack to my youth. "Reprise" by Portal follows in the footsteps of the shoegazers, bringing back memories of another time... Building on looped melodies and sparse percussion, "Selene" is a hypnotic piece that draws the listener into the disc. "Second Thought" follows, a vocal piece with an archetypical shoegazer aesthetic. Beautiful this one... "Shifting" whirls and chmes, a spirralling chorus of guitar. "Lost" is a bass driven percussive piece ever swirling, turning, but never twirling. Arpeggiated guitar floats throughout "Before the Storm". Bliss. Appropriately enough the disc closes with the track "Last Goodbye" another vocal piece that floats and drifts just beyond the senses. Truly wonderful work, sure to appeal to fans of the shoegazer genre. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 15:30:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA8KTgJ11517; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 15:29:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 15:29:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 12:29:35 -0800 Message-ID: <3F615C4900023AFE@mta11.wss.scd.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: RE: BPM & Pitch Shift on Repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hA8KTgo11490 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ok, here is how I (now) understand the relationship of tempo change to frequency (pitch) change. First it's important to realize that the percentage of frequency change is equal to the percentage of tempo change, that is if you change your tempo by +25% then you change your frequency by +25%. And so, the question becomes (and was originally asked) what is the relationship between percentage of frequency change to semitones. Each semitone is 2^1/12 (two to the one over twelve) percent change in frequency. In doing the calculation we need to look at the 'tempo/pitch' adjustment as a 'what percent of the original frequency is the new frequency' The calculation for going from 'percent of original' to semitones is: 12*log2(%/100) I've enclosed an Excel spreadsheet with the results that cover the changes in the range available on the Repeater, as well as putting in an short list here. Speed adjustment % of original Change in semitones -75% 25% -24 .. .. -50% 50% -12 .. .. 0% 100% 0 .. .. 100% 200% +12 .. .. 150% 250% +15.86... It's still not clear how the Repeater maps the 128 (0-127) CC messages across the 225 percentages, but once that is known you can combine that info with this and you will know what you wanted to know.. :) peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 20:28:50 +0000 >Subject: BPM & Pitch Shift on Repeater >From: Paul Greenstein >To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >Being a mathematical dunce, I'm having difficulty working out the >relationship between midi controller values and tempo/pitch shift. > >The manual says: > >(using cc 14) (-75%+150%) adjusts the tempo and pitch as a percentage >of the current tempo. 76 is zero shift. > >I've made this work via trial and error - for example, a value of 25 >seems to reduce the pitch by -12 , but it would be nice to be able to >predict the relative tempo change as well... > >Maybe someone out there knows what I'm on about... > > > > >Paul > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 15:55:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA8KqpB16278; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 15:52:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 15:52:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031108205245.60997.qmail@web41005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 12:52:45 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200311082030.hA8KUoF11777@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One Repeater Stephen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 15:59:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA8KvGv17385; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 15:57:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 15:57:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 21:57:08 +0100 Subject: Looping documentary in Swedish television From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7e.4116a6f6.2cdd7250@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6sXPVC.A.ePE.siVr_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Just a brief notation of an upcoming program in Swedens TV2. It's produced in 50/50 Swedish/English. Musikspegeln: Sunday Nov 16, 18:15. Monday Nov 17, 23:55. Wednesday Nov 19, 16:10. "Television documentary filmed by the Swedish National Television Channel Two on a fine day at the Stockholm Electronica in the summer of 2003. Per Boysen and Matthias Grob is playing improvised music and talking about looping." If we do not totally suck in this documentary, I may post a digitized copy online ;-) -- Best wishes Per Boysen www.boysen.se From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 18:05:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA8N46k16972; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 18:04:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 18:04:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 15:04:44 -0800 Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004e01c3a532$d933bbe0$1912be18@oemcomputer> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Bob Sellon-modded Lexicon PCM 42 (18 seconds of delay, reverse, infinite > freeze) > Akai Headrush > Boss DD-6 > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > coyotelk@optonline.net > yeah i also use -modded Lexicon PCM 42 (19.2 seconds of delay, reverse,infinite freeze) -- stanitarium From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 18:16:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA8NELf19825; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 18:14:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 18:14:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 15:15:02 -0800 Subject: Re: EH16 clone information site From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000501c3a628$8e6a0000$404dfea9@manecohsv6y6ib> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > http://manecolooper.tripod.com/ > > thanks for visiting > it looks like a great job-sound unheard but on a personal note and not to rain on yer parade-the unique and ergonomic use of sliders(faders) instead of pots on my original EH16 is what sets it apart in every which way as a looper dealio... -- stanitarium From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 19:41:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA90e0t07533; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 19:40:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 19:40:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Chris Puglisi" To: Subject: Repeater Question Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 11:10:22 +1030 Message-ID: <004801c3a65a$128c7c10$fc01a8c0@csp1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0049_01C3A6B2.151AC010" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8J3HIB.A.m1B.gzYr_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C3A6B2.151AC010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I am using a Repeater solely for looping at the moment. My question is, is the there a way to play a loop into the repeater, define the length of the loop and immediately begin to add layers to it without going out of rec mode? Cheers, Chris ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C3A6B2.151AC010 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Hi,
I am = using a=20 Repeater solely for looping at the moment. 
My = question is,=20
is the = there a way=20 to play a loop into the repeater, define the length of the loop and = immediately=20 begin to add layers to it without going out of rec = mode?
 
Cheers,
Chris
------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C3A6B2.151AC010-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 20:10:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA919Tf14098; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 20:09:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 20:09:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.25.113.38] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: References: <004801c3a65a$128c7c10$fc01a8c0@csp1> Subject: Re: Repeater Question Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 17:09:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C3A61B.09410610" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 17:09:14 -0800 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2003 01:09:22.0121 (UTC) FILETIME=[1BDE8390:01C3A65E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C3A61B.09410610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageNope. One of a few annoying "features" that this otherwise = brilliant device is endowed with. It's a perfectly natural usage mode = that it would have been capable of, had it simply been defined by = design. There are some workarounds, but they're just that. For instance you = could record silence just to define the loop length (wherein already = lies the compromise). Stop the loop, and when you next hit record, the = first, second and ensuing passes will be in overdub mode without a = transition. Best, Nic ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chris Puglisi=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 4:40 PM Subject: Repeater Question Hi, I am using a Repeater solely for looping at the moment.=20 My question is,=20 is the there a way to play a loop into the repeater, define the length = of the loop and immediately begin to add layers to it without going out = of rec mode? Cheers, Chris ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C3A61B.09410610 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Nope. One of a few annoying "features" that this otherwise = brilliant device=20 is endowed with. It's a perfectly natural usage mode that it would have = been=20 capable of, had it simply been defined by design.
 
There are some workarounds, but they're just that. For instance you = could=20 record silence just to define the loop length (wherein already lies=20 the compromise). Stop the loop, and when you next hit record, the = first,=20 second and ensuing passes will be in overdub mode without a = transition.
 
Best,
Nic
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Puglisi
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, November 08, = 2003 4:40=20 PM
Subject: Repeater = Question

Hi,
I am = using a=20 Repeater solely for looping at the moment. 
My = question is,=20
is = the there a way=20 to play a loop into the repeater, define the length of the loop and=20 immediately begin to add layers to it without going out of rec=20 mode?
 
Cheers,
Chris
------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C3A61B.09410610-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 22:03:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA9313Q08407; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 22:01:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 22:01:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FADACD7.9050708@mhorse.com> Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 18:56:23 -0800 From: Daryl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EH16 clone information site References: <032401c3a5c7$f8a2ce40$4b68f93f@BJORK> <00b801c3a569$77458620$0affff0a@hppav> <5.2.1.1.0.20031108100635.01bc4dc0@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> <000501c3a628$8e6a0000$404dfea9@manecohsv6y6ib> In-Reply-To: <000501c3a628$8e6a0000$404dfea9@manecohsv6y6ib> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com SLOBBER! Looks great Maneco, I can't wait to hear MP3's. Especially if you could get Nels Cline to do the demo (be a good test of its physical stability as well)... your target market (i.e. simply unable to afford the original), Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com >http://manecolooper.tripod.com/ > >thanks for visiting > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 23:05:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA9431q24813; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 23:03:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 23:03:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.185.84.73] X-Originating-Email: [thunq@hotmail.com] From: "thunq sound" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: looping tools Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 23:02:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2003 04:02:54.0730 (UTC) FILETIME=[5A448EA0:01C3A676] Resent-Message-ID: <3LUioB.A.mDG.1xbr_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com used frequently repeater audiomulch running jsminisampler on rptr fx inserts (when laptop feels like working...) boss rc20 used infrequently korg ax1000g zoom 2100 yamaha dps v55 cheers _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 00:52:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA95pbX17383; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 00:51:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 00:51:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c3a685$87729340$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 23:51:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The current raw results from the looping tools survey is here: http://www.mrscox.com/loopers/loopers.htm (or you can go straight to the PDF at http://www.mrscox.com/loopers/loopers.PDF) Bless Rick Walker for kicking this thing off! I have taken down the HTML table version of the data for now. Instead, I'm making a PDF version of the spreadsheet available. This should make it a lot easier to read, print out, etc. and it remains portable across platforms, like HTML. Again, I'll tally for about a week. Please keep your responses in this thread... it will make it easier to find them as the intensity factor on the list drops off :) Also, please try to list your loopers at the top of your response, leaving your other gear and comments separate. That helps too! Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 01:51:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA96o7t03153; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 01:50:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 01:50:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 07:50:07 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: boomerang query X-Mailer: Virtual Access by Atlantic Coast PLC, http://www.atlantic-coast.com/va Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <002901c3a620$e0546f20$a828883e@aoldsl.net> References: <002901c3a620$e0546f20$a828883e@aoldsl.net> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gareth, > If it runs on a universal Boss style 9v psu, i can order the unit > from the US and get a power supply from the UK That's what I did. I bought mine from Musictoyz.com. The PSU is a standard 9V / 700mA thing. -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 02:16:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA97F4711076; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 02:15:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 02:15:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ce01c3a691$08b5b260$3303b3d8@ws1> From: "Brian Carabee" To: References: <032401c3a5c7$f8a2ce40$4b68f93f@BJORK> Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 02:13:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 1 Boomerang Brian Carabee From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 03:02:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA981n123672; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 03:01:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 03:01:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 09:03:16 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000d01c3a685$87729340$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=2.60 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com EDP IV Boss DD-5 Bernhard (That's me) http://www.nosuch.biz/soundz/echoplexLoops.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 04:11:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA999OA06593; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 04:09:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 04:09:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c3a6a0$ee3f2640$3708ff3e@h1f5k1> From: "gareth.whitcock" To: References: <20031107192332.WQER406311.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@localhost> Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 09:07:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Laptop running audiomulch. Hey Ted - got any photos of the santa cruz event? ps I liked your tone man. Especially the way that guitar seems to have a life of its own! I't put me in mind of someone trying to ride a wild stallion or something - cool. Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 06:43:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA9BgZF09934; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 06:42:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 06:42:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031109114229.72058.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 03:42:29 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Lake buttler Mitigator question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <6trx4B.A.IbC.rgir_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi loopers, I am gathering info about the LB mitigator how it compares with the fcb1010 or the pmc10.My main interest is to know if it can be configured to send ccs,note ons, etc. simultaneously to more than 5 devices,and how friendly it is to program it,reliability etc.I also want to know if i could use it in europe changing its power cable. Thanx! Louie --- Ian Petersen wrote: > Gareth, > > > If it runs on a universal Boss style 9v psu, i can > order the unit > > from the US and get a power supply from the UK > > That's what I did. I bought mine from Musictoyz.com. > The PSU is a > standard 9V / 700mA thing. > > -- > > Ian Petersen > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 06:51:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA9BoZA11370; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 06:50:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 06:50:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031109115028.61417.qmail@web40505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 03:50:28 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Line 6 DL4 users To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Power question to the DL4 users: Can i use the line6 DL4 with a boss style adaptor or does it have to be a line6 one? i will be buying one in the states and need to use it here in europe thanx Louie __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 07:11:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA9C9gW17653; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 07:09:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 07:09:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031109120935.40559.qmail@web41012.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 04:09:35 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 users To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20031109115028.61417.qmail@web40505.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The DL-4 has a different barrel size & is reverse polarity. Do they sell the Godlyke power supply in Europe? It comes with the necessary adaptor for the DL-4. John --- Louie Angulo wrote: > Power question to the DL4 users: > Can i use the line6 DL4 with a boss style adaptor or > does it have to be a line6 one? i will be buying one > in the states and need to use it here in europe > thanx > Louie > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 07:20:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA9CHEG18980; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 07:17:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 07:17:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 13:17:06 +0100 Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000d01c3a685$87729340$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 03-11-09 06.51, "Doug Cox" wrote: > The current raw results from the looping tools survey is here: > http://www.mrscox.com/loopers/loopers.PDF) Nice job, Doug! Very interesting percentage figures at the bottom of the chart. > Also, please try to list your loopers at the top of your response, leaving > your other gear and comments separate. That helps too! I'm afraid you missed to list my Repeater. My apologizes for not posting in a well formatted way! If I had known about your ambition to sum it all up in such an excellent way I should have put it like this: --> Hardware: 1 EDP LoopIV, 1 Repeater. --> Looping software: Ableton Live 3.0, Lexicon PSP42. --------------------------------- Other gear and comments: --> Sound shaping hardware: Akai MFC42 analogue filter bank, Fostex LXP-5 Reverb. --> Sound shaping software: Emagic Logic with synced effect plug-ins (also sending sequences to the Repeater for beat synced pitch bouncing of loops). More Feedback Machine by Urs Heckman (beat synced step filter plug-in). --> Hardware midi control interfaces: Behringer FCB1010 pedal board, Evolution UC-33 midi mixer. --> Computers: Live: IBM ThinkPad P3/700 MHz with M-Audio Audiophile USB. Studio: IBM ThinkPad backed up by a Mac G5 2x2GHz (laptop handling all the Live looping and sending a stereo S/PDIF into the Mac which is also recording the direct instrument signal, to a different track than the laptop loop mangling) All set-ups are changing all the time, but the above is what's going on over here at the moment. -- Best wishes Per Boysen www.boysen.se From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 07:27:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA9CPX320728; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 07:25:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 07:25:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: RE: Line 6 DL4 users Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 13:27:12 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c3a6bc$ce514180$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20031109120935.40559.qmail@web41012.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Louie, John, if memory serves right, the DL4 takes an AC power feed. I use it (like I do with all of my stompboxes) with a generic power supply from Conrad (something like radio shack). When shopping for one, take into account the power rating/current draw of the DL4, which is fairly high. No problems ever with my cheap power supply. Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de > -----Original Message----- > From: John Tidwell [mailto:wedgehed@yahoo.com] > Sent: Sonntag, 9. November 2003 13:10 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 users > > > The DL-4 has a different barrel size & is reverse > polarity. Do they sell the Godlyke power supply in > Europe? It comes with the necessary adaptor for the > DL-4. > > John > > > --- Louie Angulo wrote: > > Power question to the DL4 users: > > Can i use the line6 DL4 with a boss style adaptor or > > does it have to be a line6 one? i will be buying one > > in the states and need to use it here in europe > > thanx > > Louie > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree > > > > > ===== > John Tidwell > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 07:34:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA9CW7H22850; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 07:32:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 07:32:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003101c3a6bd$ebf46cc0$d520fea9@trucknutz> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Subject: grrrr, postal strike... Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 12:35:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi all, as those of you on this side of the atlantic will know, we've had a pretty disastrous postal strike quite recently, which coincided with Theo Travis and I sending out all the advanced sales and press/radio copies of our new CD, 'For The Love Of Open Spaces'. So can you do me a big favour and let me know if a) you got it, b) you ordered one and it hasn't arrived, or c) you were expecting a review one and it's not there... then we can check it out... And the rest of you can go and buy it via one of the many online sales options listed at www.stevelawson.net :o) And for the current inventory, the list of loopers on the album was 3 Gibson EDPs, 1 DL4, 1 Kaoss Pad II and 1 MPX-G2. The whole thing was recorded and mixed in real time, with just some mastering and a couple of fade-outs added after... MP3s are available on my site, or via http://www.cdbaby.com/slawson4 - oh, and we're an 'editor's pick' in the ambient section at cdbaby... :o) if you have got it, please let us know what you think of it. cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 07:48:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA9Cjbc25725; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 07:45:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 07:45:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 12:45:29 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Re: Lake buttler Mitigator question In-Reply-To: <20031109114229.72058.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2003 12:45:37.0851 (UTC) FILETIME=[602508B0:01C3A6BF] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hA9Cjao25700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Louie, I looked at the Mitigatorbut managed to get a Philip Rees MM5 foot controller secondhand first. It can either send out a single MIDI message on a switch, e.g. prog change, CC message, note on, etc, or it can send a "sequence" of up to sixteen commands. These sequences can either be a whole set of commands sent out together (multiple prog change, note on, CCs all on different channels if you like (which sounds like what you'r looking for) or alternatively the sequence commands can be stepped throu with the foot switch that they've been assigned to - each command in the sequence being triggered by the next switch press. I am visually impaired and had the MM5 built into a longer box with better foot switches and its still cost me less than a new one would have. I would recommend it for versatility. + it uses a 9V battery and so you could use whateve power supply worked in the country you'r in. Ian At 03:42 09/11/2003 -0800, you wrote: >Hi loopers, >I am gathering info about the LB mitigator how it >compares with the fcb1010 or the pmc10.My main >interest is to know if it can be configured to send >ccs,note ons, etc. simultaneously to more than 5 >devices,and how friendly it is to program >it,reliability etc.I also want to know if i could use >it in europe changing its power cable. >Thanx! >Louie > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- Ian Petersen wrote: >> Gareth, >> >> > If it runs on a universal Boss style 9v psu, i can >> order the unit >> > from the US and get a power supply from the UK >> >> That's what I did. I bought mine from Musictoyz.com. >> The PSU is a >> standard 9V / 700mA thing. >> >> -- >> >>   Ian Petersen >> >> > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard >http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewf ree > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 08:21:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA9DKcx06216; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 08:20:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 08:20:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031109132031.73789.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 05:20:31 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: RE: Line 6 DL4 users To: Loopers Delight In-Reply-To: <000001c3a6bc$ce514180$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <8jTcbD.A.AhB.l8jr_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The power rating from Line6 is overstated (probably so people will buy their PS). I think it's closer to 350ma than the 1200ma printed on the back of the pedal. The DL-4 will operate from a DC power supply with center pin positive. I've been using the Godlyke PS with mine for almost a year. Here's more info on Godlyke. It appears that it will work in Europe. http://www.godlyke.com/powerall/powerall.asp?item=102 John --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Louie, John, > > if memory serves right, the DL4 takes an AC power > feed. I use it (like I do > with all of my stompboxes) with a generic power > supply from Conrad > (something like radio shack). When shopping for one, > take into account the > power rating/current draw of the DL4, which is > fairly high. No problems ever > with my cheap power supply. > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 08:33:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA9DVd410981; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 08:31:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 08:31:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c3a6c6$04b1c340$d7635cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #346 for November 6, 2003 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 08:32:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3A69C.0BF1A280" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3A69C.0BF1A280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each = Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in = Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #346 November 6, 2003 RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on Vir Unis, sculptor of = sound worlds and grooves. The Featured CD at Midnight was "The Drift Inside" = on Green House Music. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Spiral" by Vangelis on RCA. I played the music of The Ministry of Inside Things, one of the two = local bands which will appear at the next Gathering. I also played music by Xeroid = Entity, one of the bands which will play at the next Gate to Moonbase Alpha. = Check the Events page for details. Vir Unis - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#nov Events Page - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 11:00 pm Ron Boots Serengeti Part 1 Area Movement (Groove) The Ministry of Inside VM-75 Live on Star's End and = EMUSIC Things (Synkronos) Xeroid Entity Rhea Moons of Saturn = (Electromusic) John Ducal Sleepy Hollow Hell's Canyon = (Hypnos/Binary) Current Communion - Before Communion (Origo Sound) Reality Vir Unis Currents Beneath the The Drift Inside (Green = House) Shine Vir Unis Hidden Streams The Drift Inside (Green = House) Vir Unis Leaving the Skin The Drift Inside (Green = House) 12:00 am Vir Unis The Drift Inside The Drift Inside (Green = House) Vir Unis Zero Ground The Drift Inside (Green = House) Vir Unis Resonate & Glow The Drift Inside (Green = House) Vir Unis Crystal Eyes The Drift Inside (Green = House) Vir Unis In the Wake of a The Drift Inside (Green = House) Passing Thought Vir Unis Adrift The Drift Inside (Green = House) Vir Unis Solar Plexus The Drift Inside (Green = House) Vir Unis Neuron Lights The Drift Inside (Green = House) Vir Unis Deepest Dream * The Drift Inside (Green = House) 1:00 am * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) ++ =3D Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Vir Unis. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Pulse n Atmo" on the Groove label. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Vienna" by Ultravox on Chrysalis. I will play the music from some of the bands that will be performing at = the upcoming Gathering and Gate to Moonbase Alpha. Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, = Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in = Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click = LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3A69C.0BF1A280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs = each=20 Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and = 93.9 FM=20 in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
 
            =    =20     Show #346       =20             November 6, = 2003
 
RECAP:
On this show, I started a month-long focus on Vir Unis, = sculptor=20 of sound
worlds and grooves.  The Featured CD at Midnight was = "The Drift=20 Inside" on
Green House Music.
 
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Spiral" by Vangelis on = RCA.
 
I played the music of The Ministry of Inside Things, one of the two = local=20 bands
which will appear at the next Gathering.  I also played = music by=20 Xeroid Entity,
one of the bands which will play at the next Gate to = Moonbase=20 Alpha.  Check the
Events page for details.
 
Vir Unis - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#nov
Ev= ents=20 Page - http://wdiy.org/prog= rams/emusic/events.html
 

PLAYLIST:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
11:00 pm
Ron=20 Boots           &n= bsp;  =20 Serengeti Part 1         Area = Movement=20 (Groove)
The Ministry of Inside =20 VM-75           &n= bsp;       =20 Live on Star's End and EMUSIC
 =20 Things           &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;      =20 (Synkronos)
Xeroid=20 Entity          =20 Rhea           &nb= sp;        =20 Moons of Saturn (Electromusic)
John=20 Ducal           &n= bsp; =20 Sleepy = Hollow            = Hell's Canyon=20 (Hypnos/Binary)
Current        = ;        =20 Communion - Before       Communion (Origo=20 Sound)
          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;  =20 Reality
Vir=20 Unis           &nb= sp;   =20 Currents Beneath the     The Drift Inside (Green=20 House)
          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;  =20 Shine
Vir=20 Unis           &nb= sp;   =20 Hidden = Streams           The=20 Drift Inside (Green House)
Vir=20 Unis           &nb= sp;   =20 Leaving the Skin         The = Drift=20 Inside (Green House)
 
12:00 am
Vir=20 Unis           &nb= sp;   =20 The Drift Inside         The = Drift=20 Inside (Green House)
Vir=20 Unis           &nb= sp;   =20 Zero=20 Ground           &= nbsp; =20 The Drift Inside (Green House)
Vir=20 Unis           &nb= sp;   =20 Resonate & = Glow          The=20 Drift Inside (Green House)
Vir=20 Unis           &nb= sp;   =20 Crystal=20 Eyes           &nb= sp; The=20 Drift Inside (Green House)
Vir=20 Unis           &nb= sp;   =20 In the Wake of a         The = Drift=20 Inside (Green=20 House)
          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;  =20 Passing Thought
Vir=20 Unis           &nb= sp;   =20 Adrift           &= nbsp;      =20 The Drift Inside (Green House)
Vir=20 Unis           &nb= sp;   =20 Solar=20 Plexus           &= nbsp;=20 The Drift Inside (Green House)
Vir=20 Unis           &nb= sp;   =20 Neuron = Lights            = The Drift Inside (Green House)
Vir=20 Unis           &nb= sp;   =20 Deepest Dream *          = The Drift=20 Inside (Green House)
 
1:00 am
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
++ = =3D Advance CDR=20 from Artist
 

NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long = focus on=20 Vir Unis.  The
Featured CD at Midnight will be "Pulse n Atmo" on = the=20 Groove label.
 
The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Vienna" by Ultravox on=20 Chrysalis.
 
I will play the music from some of the bands that will be = performing at=20 the
upcoming Gathering and Gate to Moonbase Alpha.
 
Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient,  and space music show,  = Thursdays=20 at 11
pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and = 93.9 FM in=20 Easton
and Phillipsburg.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org  and click =20 LISTEN
EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic<= /A>
To=20 subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!]=20 at
http://groups.yahoo.co= m/group/emusic-wdiy
 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3A69C.0BF1A280-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 09:28:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA9EQTZ29084; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 09:26:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 09:26:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 15:22:56 +0100 Subject: RE: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Seen: false X-ID: TWfGFZZUgen2zze4FFQZBG5qVWYPGhnj08ncOrDfPI0prUL485dx0P Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Obie EDP w. Loop IV Digitech PDS 8000 Best, Andreas Willers www.andreaswillers.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 09:47:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA9El0b02202; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 09:47:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 09:47:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007b01c3a6d0$9c116560$d7635cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: References: <20031109114229.72058.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Lake buttler Mitigator question Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 09:48:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louie Angulo" > I am gathering info about the LB mitigator how it > compares with the fcb1010 or the pmc10.My main > interest is to know if it can be configured to send > ccs,note ons, etc. simultaneously to more than 5 > devices,and how friendly it is to program > it,reliability etc.I also want to know if i could use > it in europe changing its power cable. Hi Louie, The MIDI Mitigator (RFC-1) can send: Program Change, Control Change, Pitch Change, Channel Mode, Note On, Note Off, Polyphonic Aftertouch, Channel Pressure, All Notes Off, SysEx, System Common, and System Real-Time messages. The RFC-1 is easy to program and use but you need to know hexadecimal numbers. From the manual: "The RFC-1 will generate, store, and transmit anyM IDI command string, up to 255 bytes long, allowed by the MIDI specification. By using the "Hexidecimal Mode," it will generate command strings NOT allowed by the MIDI specification. For this reason, it is the responsibility of the user to determine what effect, if any, the transmitted command strings will have on the interfaced equipment. This should be done by reading the literature provided with any equipment interfaced with the RFC-1." Since the Mitigator can send data to any MIDI channel, then it can control 16 devices, so long as you can do it within the 255 byte limitation. If you can't, then you can split up your command between two pedals. There are five pedals labeled A, B, C, D, and E. My unit came with a 100-130V; 50-60Hz wall wart. I have no idea if Lake Butler ever made power supplies suitable for other power systems. Unfortunately, Lake Butler no longer exists. But if you have a converter, you can use the existing supply. I bought a converter over here at Radio Shack and it worked fine in the UK and in Belgium. Warning! There is no support since Lake Butler is no more. Operation is easy with the manual. But repairs, if you ever need any, might be problematic. I love the RFC-1 but you might wish to consider buying a newer controller whose manufacturer still exists. Cheers, Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 10:36:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA9FYCc21122; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 10:34:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 10:34:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031109153406.16385.qmail@web80206.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 07:34:06 -0800 (PST) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: Re: Lovetone stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com now that's more like it. i owned their ring mod for a couple days and it was just wild, but not very useful. i really dig their tremolo/vibrato thingy. -jim --- Jeff Shirkey wrote: > >"lovetone" and "reasonable price" don't belong in > the > >same sentence...unless it's this one. > > True. > > Anyone have any unreasonably priced Lovetone stuff > for sale? :) > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 12:23:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA9HMbG29500; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 12:22:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 12:22:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20031109153406.16385.qmail@web80206.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031109153406.16385.qmail@web80206.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 11:22:17 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Lovetone stuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > i really dig their tremolo/vibrato thingy. Would that be the "Wobulator" or the "Doppelganger"? Seems like those two pedals overlap a bit. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 12:53:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA9HqrI08661; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 12:52:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 12:52:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 12:52:42 EST Subject: y2k3 photos To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_b4.24ac3bbc.2cdfd8ea_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_b4.24ac3bbc.2cdfd8ea_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/9/03 4:14:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, gareth.whitcock@ntlworld.com writes: > Hey Ted - got any photos of the santa cruz event? > also mr hamburg?.....and anyone else.....michael --part1_b4.24ac3bbc.2cdfd8ea_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 11/9/0= 3 4:14:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, gareth.whitcock@ntlworld.com writes:


Hey Ted - got any photos of the= santa cruz event?


also mr hamburg?.....and anyone else.....michael --part1_b4.24ac3bbc.2cdfd8ea_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 13:28:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA9ILwU20774; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 13:21:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 13:21:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031109182151.41373.qmail@web80210.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 10:21:51 -0800 (PST) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: Re: Lovetone stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the wobulator...pretty damn cool. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 13:59:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA9Ix1g02021; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 13:59:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 13:59:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008a01c3a6f2$80eb3320$df661e43@r1x5s0> From: "Robin Haas" To: Subject: music and freedom Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 10:51:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0087_01C3A6AF.723A0B00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0087_01C3A6AF.723A0B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://apnews.myway.com/article/20031109/D7UN3AM00.html I certainly realise this is not a political email forum, but I could not = help but relate the above short article on someone in Hungry stating = that rock music (and presumably other forms of music) helped bring down = communism (or repression of thinking from their viewpoint).=20 Music has a way of bringing freedom of thought to the listner, by its = freedom of personal expression by the performer. Sub and unconsiously, = music appeals to an individual finding other starting points to what may = be their own limited thinking. In this time of a curtailment of = freedoms, music has in important service to perform in helping people to = keep the faith in their own liberated spirit.... Music is a great = metaphor for freedom and creativity. Rock on, loop on, sound on, etc!!!! ------=_NextPart_000_0087_01C3A6AF.723A0B00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I certainly realise this is not a = political email=20 forum, but I could not help but relate the above short article on = someone in=20 Hungry stating that rock music (and presumably other forms of music) = helped=20 bring down communism (or repression of thinking from their = viewpoint).=20
 
Music has a way of bringing freedom of = thought to=20 the listner, by its freedom of personal expression by the performer. Sub = and=20 unconsiously, music appeals to an individual finding other starting = points to=20 what may be their own limited thinking. In this time of a curtailment of = freedoms, music has in important service to perform in helping people to = keep=20 the faith in their own liberated spirit.... Music is a=20 great metaphor for freedom and creativity. Rock on, loop on, sound = on,=20 etc!!!!
------=_NextPart_000_0087_01C3A6AF.723A0B00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 14:16:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA9JEnh09223; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 14:14:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 14:14:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031109191442.85201.qmail@web40503.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 11:14:42 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Lake buttler Mitigator question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <007b01c3a6d0$9c116560$d7635cd1@billfox> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bill than you very much for the info! Cheers Louie --- Bill Fox wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Louie Angulo" > > I am gathering info about the LB mitigator how it > > compares with the fcb1010 or the pmc10.My main > > interest is to know if it can be configured to > send > > ccs,note ons, etc. simultaneously to more than 5 > > devices,and how friendly it is to program > > it,reliability etc.I also want to know if i could > use > > it in europe changing its power cable. > > Hi Louie, > > The MIDI Mitigator (RFC-1) can send: > Program Change, Control Change, Pitch Change, > Channel Mode, Note On, Note Off, > Polyphonic Aftertouch, Channel Pressure, All Notes > Off, SysEx, System Common, > and System Real-Time messages. The RFC-1 is easy to > program and use but you > need to know hexadecimal numbers. From the manual: > "The RFC-1 will generate, store, and transmit anyM > IDI command string, up to 255 > bytes long, allowed by the MIDI specification. By > using the "Hexidecimal Mode," > it will generate command strings NOT allowed by the > MIDI specification. For > this reason, it is the responsibility of the user to > determine what effect, if > any, the transmitted command strings will have on > the interfaced equipment. > This should be done by reading the literature > provided with any equipment > interfaced with the RFC-1." > > Since the Mitigator can send data to any MIDI > channel, then it can control 16 > devices, so long as you can do it within the 255 > byte limitation. If you can't, > then you can split up your command between two > pedals. There are five pedals > labeled A, B, C, D, and E. My unit came with a > 100-130V; 50-60Hz wall wart. I > have no idea if Lake Butler ever made power supplies > suitable for other power > systems. Unfortunately, Lake Butler no longer > exists. But if you have a > converter, you can use the existing supply. I > bought a converter over here at > Radio Shack and it worked fine in the UK and in > Belgium. > > Warning! There is no support since Lake Butler is > no more. Operation is easy > with the manual. But repairs, if you ever need any, > might be problematic. I > love the RFC-1 but you might wish to consider buying > a newer controller whose > manufacturer still exists. > > Cheers, > > Bill > =============================================================================== > Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space > music show. 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Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 14:17:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA9JG9v09792; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 14:16:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 14:16:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000301c3a6f6$15e990e0$46b61345@MyComputer> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <20031109153406.16385.qmail@web80206.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Lovetone stuff Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 11:04:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have the qm ? flanger-with-no-name, and it's absolutely amazing. It's easy to feel like extreme settings aren't very useful, but if you hang in there and think out-of-the-box, you'll eventually have several extended techniques available that you wouldn't want to be without. A couple days is just not enough time to even begin to explore the potential of the Ring Stinger or the ? I've heard statements that ring modulation isn't very 'musical' from time to time (on this list possibly), and I think that's mostly a matter of taste and imagination as well. As for cost... well, yeah, they're pricey. When I'm low on cash and gaze at my ? flanger, I sometimes see $$$$$. Restraint! Restraint! I'd regret selling it the second I put it in the box. -Miko ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" To: Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 7:34 AM Subject: Re: Lovetone stuff > now that's more like it. i owned their ring mod for a > couple days and it was just wild, but not very useful. > i really dig their tremolo/vibrato thingy. > > -jim > > --- Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > >"lovetone" and "reasonable price" don't belong in > > the > > >same sentence...unless it's this one. > > > > True. > > > > Anyone have any unreasonably priced Lovetone stuff > > for sale? :) > > > > Jeff > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 14:19:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA9JHi410544; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 14:17:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 14:17:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031109191737.4661.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 11:17:37 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Lake buttler Mitigator question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you Ian Is Phill Rees still in business? i havent been able to find much info on their foot controllers. Louie --- Ian Popperwell wrote: > Louie, > > I looked at the Mitigatorbut managed to get a Philip > Rees MM5 foot controller > secondhand first. It can either send out a single > MIDI message on a switch, > e.g. prog change, CC message, note on, etc, or it > can send a "sequence" of up > to sixteen commands. These sequences can either be a > whole set of commands > sent > out together (multiple prog change, note on, CCs all > on different channels if > you like (which sounds like what you'r looking for) > or alternatively the > sequence commands can be stepped throu with the foot > switch that they've been > assigned to - each command in the sequence being > triggered by the next switch > press. > > I am visually impaired and had the MM5 built into a > longer box with better > foot > switches and its still cost me less than a new one > would have. I would > recommend it for versatility. + it uses a 9V battery > and so you could use > whateve power supply worked in the country you'r in. > > > Ian > At 03:42 09/11/2003 -0800, you wrote: > >Hi loopers, > >I am gathering info about the LB mitigator how it > >compares with the fcb1010 or the pmc10.My main > >interest is to know if it can be configured to send > > >ccs,note ons, etc. simultaneously to more than 5 > >devices,and how friendly it is to program > >it,reliability etc.I also want to know if i could > use > >it in europe changing its power cable. > >Thanx! > >Louie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- Ian Petersen wrote: > >> Gareth, > >> > >> > If it runs on a universal Boss style 9v psu, i > can > >> order the unit > >> > from the US and get a power supply from the UK > >> > >> That's what I did. I bought mine from > Musictoyz.com. > >> The PSU is a > >> standard 9V / 700mA thing. > >> > >> -- > >> > >>   Ian Petersen > >> > >> > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > >http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewf > ree > > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 14:42:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA9JeXm19026; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 14:40:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 14:40:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <008a01c3a6f2$80eb3320$df661e43@r1x5s0> References: <008a01c3a6f2$80eb3320$df661e43@r1x5s0> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 11:40:24 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Ellottronix XXL, new tape loop emulation plugin. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: -1 () IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.29 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just discovered this Windows VST plugin that simulates a dual tape deck delay system. Have spent the morning doing Terry Riley-style time-lag accumulation instead of work :-). Has 2 independent tape loops, a multimode filter on each channel, a tube and tape-hiss emulator, etc. Also check out the Sun Ra VST synth by the same programmer, very aptly named synth! Both are free, as are the other plugs on the same site. And they all rock. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 14:44:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA9JgUC19643; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 14:42:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 14:42:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 11:42:22 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Doh!Fwd: Ellottronix XXL, new tape loop emulation plugin. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.29 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry, hit send too soon, the URL is http://www.elgoxa.net > >I just discovered this Windows VST plugin that simulates a dual tape >deck delay system. Have spent the morning doing Terry Riley-style >time-lag accumulation instead of work :-). Has 2 independent tape >loops, a multimode filter on each channel, a tube and tape-hiss >emulator, etc. > >Also check out the Sun Ra VST synth by the same programmer, very >aptly named synth! > >Both are free, as are the other plugs on the same site. And they all rock. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 14:53:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA9JpT622860; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 14:51:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 14:51:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "c.white" Subject: Re: Ellottronix XXL, new tape loop emulation plugin. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.4.0.6 Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 14:51:24 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com got_a_link?please.:) On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 11:40:24 -0800 Dave Trenkel wrote: >I just discovered this Windows VST plugin that simulates >a dual tape deck delay system. Have spent the morning >doing Terry Riley-style time-lag accumulation instead of >work :-). Has 2 independent tape loops, a multimode >filter on each channel, a tube and tape-hiss emulator, >etc. > >Also check out the Sun Ra VST synth by the same >programmer, very aptly named synth! > >Both are free, as are the other plugs on the same site. >And they all rock. > c.white www.magicicada.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 15:12:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA9KAvE31804; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 15:10:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 15:10:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 21:10:50 +0100 Subject: Re: music and freedom From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008a01c3a6f2$80eb3320$df661e43@r1x5s0> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 03-11-09 19.51, "Robin Haas" wrote: > http://apnews.myway.com/article/20031109/D7UN3AM00.html > > I certainly realise this is not a political email forum, but I could not help > but relate the above short article on someone in Hungry stating that rock > music (and presumably other forms of music) helped bring down communism (or > repression of thinking from their viewpoint). > > Music has a way of bringing freedom of thought to the listner, by its freedom > of personal expression by the performer. Sub and unconsiously, music appeals > to an individual finding other starting points to what may be their own > limited thinking. In this time of a curtailment of freedoms, music has in > important service to perform in helping people to keep the faith in their own > liberated spirit.... Music is a great metaphor for freedom and creativity. > Rock on, loop on, sound on, etc!!!! I was just going to write something like "Yes, definitely - but music can also imprison the listener into the most rigid and sinister form of conservatism"... But then I had a second thought and wasn't so sure any more. I know the feeling by instinct but exactly WHAT is it that makes great music great? I guess it's more about attitude and expression than about musical styles? But one thing I know for sure is that great music always tends to turn out subversive in a political sense. Looking forward to see what others have to say in this thread :-) -- Best wishes Per Boysen www.boysen.se From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 16:22:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA9LL7829289; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 16:21:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 16:21:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <1a2.1c908df9.2ce009bf@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 16:21:03 EST Subject: Dogfingers website spam To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, The Dogfingers website (www.dogfingers.com) has been updated. Thanks, James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 17:26:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA9MOXw20089; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 17:24:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 17:24:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 22:24:22 +0000 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Echo Pro questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2003 22:24:34.0229 (UTC) FILETIME=[40A3AE50:01C3A710] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I use the Line6 Echo Pro as my main looper. Starting to use it with my newly acquired and modified foot controller and coming up against a couple of things that I don't understand. 1. the programme numbers beyond 100 are for specific looper functions (and selection of the delay models). they don't completely correspond to those listed in the manual - its OK because they're straightforward to work out but nonetheless, its a bit strange. Anybody else found this? 2. I thought that I'd use this cluster of programmes 101 onwards to select the various looper functions from my MIDI foot controller and it works perfectly when the looper is selected from the front panel - I can use the footswitches that I've programmed to carry out the looper functions that I want. However, If I have a delay programme selected on the front panel, my foot controller has no effect upon the unit. I'd expect it to be able to change programmes from, say, prog6 (lo fi delay) to the foot controller's pre-programmed looper functions. Is this a fault, is there something else that I should do? or is it that there's something about the post 99 programmes that I'm not understanding? Anybody else using the Echo Pro like this? or do you find it easier to send CC messages to control the looper? Thanks. Ian. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 17:35:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA9MYYg23766; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 17:34:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 17:34:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 22:34:03 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Re: Lake buttler Mitigator question In-Reply-To: <20031109191737.4661.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2003 22:34:32.0171 (UTC) FILETIME=[A50A63B0:01C3A711] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hA9MYXo23739 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, They are still in business, but no longer make the MM5. I was lucky enough to find one in perfect order on the Sound On Sound website reader adds for Ģ40 )UK) so I guess you'd need to look at the secondhand market. Here's a link to most of the owner's manual that' might be useful. http://www.pan.no/frames.cgi?/re_ mm5.htm Ian. At 11:17 09/11/2003 -0800, you wrote: >Thank you Ian >Is Phill Rees still in business? i havent been able to >find much info on their foot controllers. >Louie > > >--- Ian Popperwell wrote: >> Louie, >> >> I looked at the Mitigatorbut managed to get a Philip >> Rees MM5 foot controller >> secondhand first. It can either send out a single >> MIDI message on a switch, >> e.g. prog change, CC message, note on, etc, or it >> can send a "sequence" of up >> to sixteen commands. These sequences can either be a >> whole set of commands >> sent >> out together (multiple prog change, note on, CCs all >> on different channels if >> you like (which sounds like what you'r looking for) >> or alternatively the >> sequence commands can be stepped throu with the foot >> switch that they've been >> assigned to - each command in the sequence being >> triggered by the next switch >> press.  >> >> I am visually impaired and had the MM5 built into a >> longer box with better >> foot >> switches and its still cost me less than a new one >> would have. I would >> recommend it for versatility. + it uses a 9V battery >> and so you could use >> whateve power supply worked in the country you'r in. >> >> >> Ian >> At 03:42 09/11/2003 -0800, you wrote: >> >Hi loopers, >> >I am gathering info about the LB mitigator how it >> >compares with the fcb1010 or the pmc10.My main >> >interest is to know if it can be configured to send >> >> >ccs,note ons, etc. simultaneously to more than 5 >> >devices,and how friendly it is to program >> >it,reliability etc.I also want to know if i could >> use >> >it in europe changing its power cable. >> >Thanx! >> >Louie >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >--- Ian Petersen wrote: >> >> Gareth, >> >> >> >> > If it runs on a universal Boss style 9v psu, i >> can >> >> order the unit >> >> > from the US and get a power supply from the UK >> >> >> >> That's what I did. I bought mine from >> Musictoyz.com. >> >> The PSU is a >> >> standard 9V / 700mA thing. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >>   Ian Petersen >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >__________________________________ >> >Do you Yahoo!? >> >Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard >> >><http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsn ewfree>http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsn ewf >> ree >> > >> >> > > >===== >www.luis-angulo.com > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard >http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewf ree > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 18:23:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA9NKlI08480; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 18:20:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 18:20:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1068420045.3faecbcd4e156@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 18:20:45 -0500 From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echo Pro questions References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.180.194 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting Ian Popperwell : > Anybody else using the Echo Pro like this? or do you find it easier to send > CC messages to control the looper? i control the Echo Pro either from the front panel, or with MIDI note numbers sent by my sequencer, Numerology. i would think that PC or CC commands would be far more confusing than notes. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 18:43:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA9NgYd17019; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 18:42:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 18:42:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 15:42:31 -0800 Subject: Re: Lovetone stuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200311091919.hA9JJep11500@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: <62F859D7-130E-11D8-8481-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got their ring modulator. It's really a ring modulator/octave fuzz/theramin type box. Ring modulation is one of those effects that often sounds sort of horrible ("Dude...is your amp, uh--broken?") when you're just doinking in the music store, but in the context of a full track is often suprisingly usable. Even in sort of conventional pop songs. My problem with the Ring Stinger is that it's impossible to recall a sound, and the same control does drastically different things depending on some of the rotary switch settings. TravisH On Sunday, November 9, 2003, at 11:19 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > > From: "Miko Biffle" > Date: Sun Nov 9, 2003 11:04:49 AM US/Pacific > To: > Subject: Re: Lovetone stuff > > > I have the qm ? flanger-with-no-name, and it's absolutely amazing. > It's easy > to feel like extreme settings aren't very useful, but if you hang in > there > and think out-of-the-box, you'll eventually have several extended > techniques > available that you wouldn't want to be without. > > A couple days is just not enough time to even begin to explore the > potential > of the Ring Stinger or the ? I've heard statements that ring modulation > isn't very 'musical' from time to time (on this list possibly), and I > think > that's mostly a matter of taste and imagination as well. > > As for cost... well, yeah, they're pricey. When I'm low on cash and > gaze at > my ? flanger, I sometimes see $$$$$. Restraint! Restraint! I'd regret > selling it the second I put it in the box. > > -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 18:57:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA9NuBZ23038; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 18:56:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 18:56:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: Echo Pro questions Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 15:56:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcOnEE9n1WlUDhUFRSWi9tavBx7E9QADDMpg Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Ian Popperwell [mailto:popperwell@iname.com] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 2:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Echo Pro questions > >1. the programme numbers beyond 100 are for specific looper functions (and >selection of the delay models). they don't completely correspond to those >listed in the manual - its OK because they're straightforward to work out >but >nonetheless, its a bit strange. Anybody else found this? How off are they? Some midi pedals start at 0 and others start at 1 - if the controls are off by one - this may be the case. Also - the echo pro comes pre-configured to work on those numbers but you can program any number on your midi controller to control the looper. I have mine set to controll on numbers 6 - 9. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 19:11:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAA0AeB30155; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 19:10:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 19:10:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.25.105.224] X-Originating-Email: [sfradia@msn.com] From: "David Collin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: music and freedom Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 00:10:33 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2003 00:10:33.0453 (UTC) FILETIME=[0F0841D0:01C3A71F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: Per Boysen >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers >Subject: Re: music and freedom >Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 21:10:50 +0100 > >On 03-11-09 19.51, "Robin Haas" wrote: > > > http://apnews.myway.com/article/20031109/D7UN3AM00.html > > > > I certainly realise this is not a political email forum, but I could not >help > > but relate the above short article on someone in Hungry stating that >rock > > music (and presumably other forms of music) helped bring down communism >(or > > repression of thinking from their viewpoint). > > > > Music has a way of bringing freedom of thought to the listner, by its >freedom > > of personal expression by the performer. Sub and unconsiously, music >appeals > > to an individual finding other starting points to what may be their own > > limited thinking. In this time of a curtailment of freedoms, music has >in > > important service to perform in helping people to keep the faith in >their own > > liberated spirit.... Music is a great metaphor for freedom and >creativity. > > Rock on, loop on, sound on, etc!!!! > > >I was just going to write something like "Yes, definitely - but music can >also imprison the listener into the most rigid and sinister form of >conservatism"... But then I had a second thought and wasn't so sure any >more. I know the feeling by instinct but exactly WHAT is it that makes >great >music great? I guess it's more about attitude and expression than about >musical styles? But one thing I know for sure is that great music always >tends to turn out subversive in a political sense. > >Looking forward to see what others have to say in this thread :-) > >-- >Best wishes > >Per Boysen >www.boysen.se >Well great music may be subversive, but usually it is the way it's used >that is subversive,take Hitler's use of Wagner to give a soundtrack to his >exploits, or take our own prezBUSH, who like his mentor Hitler(Hitler's >rise to power was financially backed by GW Bush's grandfather ,Prescott >Bush ,before the US courts seized the business,ironically the profits of >the factories backed by Bush and worked to death by Jewish slaves,were >given back to Bush at the end of the war,making it easy to support Bush >the1st as well as Bush the 2nd's rise to power.Too bad Hitler didn't have a >son or he might be running for US prez w/Bush support!!)Bush used rock >songs to give some semblance of populist support to his Military-Industrial >Complex financed campaign, before Springsteen complained(they didn't ask >him for usage rights). Even manuel noriega was assaulted by heavy metal >music by US special forces in an attempt to drive him out of his hiding >place, yeah the brains behind the lies of our current political reality may >be ad agencies,and even if they aren't right wing, born again,nazi loving >dictators like Bush, they still have BAD taste in music,we can smell it >from a distance, I only hope the future slaves of the world can smell it >before it's too late!!..RR _________________________________________________________________ Is your computer infected with a virus? Find out with a FREE computer virus scan from McAfee. Take the FreeScan now! http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 19:19:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAA0J3101128; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 19:19:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 19:19:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002801c3a71f$33081ba0$aa661e43@r1x5s0> From: "Robin Haas" To: References: Subject: Re: music and freedom---expressed !!! Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 16:11:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And I was hesitant to mention politics. Hope you can loop this speech somewhere and to music. I want a ticket! ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Collin" To: Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 4:10 PM Subject: Re: music and freedom > >From: Per Boysen > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: Loopers > >Subject: Re: music and freedom > >Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 21:10:50 +0100 > > > >On 03-11-09 19.51, "Robin Haas" wrote: > > > > > http://apnews.myway.com/article/20031109/D7UN3AM00.html > > > > > > I certainly realise this is not a political email forum, but I could not > >help > > > but relate the above short article on someone in Hungry stating that > >rock > > > music (and presumably other forms of music) helped bring down communism > >(or > > > repression of thinking from their viewpoint). > > > > > > Music has a way of bringing freedom of thought to the listner, by its > >freedom > > > of personal expression by the performer. Sub and unconsiously, music > >appeals > > > to an individual finding other starting points to what may be their own > > > limited thinking. In this time of a curtailment of freedoms, music has > >in > > > important service to perform in helping people to keep the faith in > >their own > > > liberated spirit.... Music is a great metaphor for freedom and > >creativity. > > > Rock on, loop on, sound on, etc!!!! > > > > > >I was just going to write something like "Yes, definitely - but music can > >also imprison the listener into the most rigid and sinister form of > >conservatism"... But then I had a second thought and wasn't so sure any > >more. I know the feeling by instinct but exactly WHAT is it that makes > >great > >music great? I guess it's more about attitude and expression than about > >musical styles? But one thing I know for sure is that great music always > >tends to turn out subversive in a political sense. > > > >Looking forward to see what others have to say in this thread :-) > > > >-- > >Best wishes > > > >Per Boysen > >www.boysen.se > >Well great music may be subversive, but usually it is the way it's used > >that is subversive,take Hitler's use of Wagner to give a soundtrack to his > >exploits, or take our own prezBUSH, who like his mentor Hitler(Hitler's > >rise to power was financially backed by GW Bush's grandfather ,Prescott > >Bush ,before the US courts seized the business,ironically the profits of > >the factories backed by Bush and worked to death by Jewish slaves,were > >given back to Bush at the end of the war,making it easy to support Bush > >the1st as well as Bush the 2nd's rise to power.Too bad Hitler didn't have a > >son or he might be running for US prez w/Bush support!!)Bush used rock > >songs to give some semblance of populist support to his Military-Industrial > >Complex financed campaign, before Springsteen complained(they didn't ask > >him for usage rights). Even manuel noriega was assaulted by heavy metal > >music by US special forces in an attempt to drive him out of his hiding > >place, yeah the brains behind the lies of our current political reality may > >be ad agencies,and even if they aren't right wing, born again,nazi loving > >dictators like Bush, they still have BAD taste in music,we can smell it > >from a distance, I only hope the future slaves of the world can smell it > >before it's too late!!..RR > > _________________________________________________________________ > Is your computer infected with a virus? Find out with a FREE computer virus > scan from McAfee. Take the FreeScan now! > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 19:28:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAA0QXR04351; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 19:26:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 19:26:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 19:26:21 -0500 Subject: Shameless NYC gig spam, 11/10/03 9.30pm Joe's pub. Todd Reynolds From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3151250781_3156466" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3151250781_3156466 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable To the community, looping will take place among other things... If you come, I hope you=B9ll say hi... It=B9s all about the hang. All best, Todd =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 Joe's Pub presents... todd reynolds' nuove uova 2 [new eggs 2] NYC's most daring violinist-composer returns to Joe's Pub to offer up another night of brand spankin' new tunes for violin and electricity, with vibes, beats, boomboxes, laptops and more... Music by Todd Reynolds, John King, Phil Kline and Randall Woolf, with special guests David Cossin, Phil Kline and the Jesse Stiles 3000. 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Joe's Pub presents...
todd reynolds'
nuove uova 2 [new eggs 2]
NYC's most daring violinist-composer returns to Joe's Pub to offer up
another night of brand spankin' new tunes for violin and electricity, with<= BR> vibes, beats, boomboxes, laptops and more...
Music by Todd Reynolds, John King, Phil Kline and Randall Woolf, with
special guests David Cossin, Phil Kline and the Jesse Stiles 3000.
Monday, November 10, 2003
9:30PM | $15
Joe's Pub 425 Lafayette St. @ St. Marks
Tele-charge 212-239-6200
Reservations 212-539-8778

***Just the perfect way to start your week!***

Also: Don't miss Todd Reynolds on WNYC's Soundcheck!
Thursday, Nov. 6 @ 2PM on 93.9 FM


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Known as a boundary-breaking, fearless violinist-composer who =93flies
without a net,=94 Todd Reynolds weaves together composed and improvised
segments and makes use of MACG4 technology and digital loops to create his<= BR> music, incorporating minimalist, pop, Jazz, Indian, African, Celtic and
indigenous folk musics into his own sonic blend.

NUOVE UOVA was developed as a vehicle for solo violin music written for
Reynolds. Composers such as Michael Gordon, Ingram Marshall, Randall
Woolf, Evan Ziporyn, John King and Phil Kline have all contributed music for NUOVE UOVA.  NUOVE UOVA I was premiered to a full capacity house a= t
Joe=92s Pub in December 2002.  

A student of the late Jascha Heifetz, Reynolds is a founding member of
Ethel and a longtime member of Bang On A Can and The Steve Reich Ensemble.<= BR>  He is also a member of Yo-Yo Ma=92s Silk Road Project and, in 2002,
conducted Giovanni Sollima=92s Ellis Island, a large-scale opera (70-piece orchestra, 70-member cast) in the Sicilian theater where The Godfather was<= BR> filmed. He is the recipient of an American Composers Grant for the work
Still Life with Mic and a 2003 Meet-the-Composer Commissioning Music/USA award for a new theatrical string quartet piece for Ethel.  


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--B_3151250781_3156466-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 19:32:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAA0Vnx06948; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 19:31:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 19:31:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 01:32:41 +0100 Subject: Re: music and freedom From: posadasmanuel To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Il giorno 10-11-2003 1:10, David Collin, sfradia@msn.com ha scritto: >> Best wishes >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se >> Well great music may be subversive, but usually it is the way it's used >> that is subversive,take Hitler's use of Wagner to give a soundtrack to his >> exploits, or take our own prezBUSH, who like his mentor Hitler(Hitler's >> rise to power was financially backed by GW Bush's grandfather ,Prescott >> Bush ,before the US courts seized the business,ironically the profits of >> the factories backed by Bush and worked to death by Jewish slaves,were >> given back to Bush at the end of the war,making it easy to support Bush >> the1st as well as Bush the 2nd's rise to power.Too bad Hitler didn't have a >> son or he might be running for US prez w/Bush support!!)Bush used rock >> songs to give some semblance of populist support to his Military-Industrial >> Complex financed campaign, before Springsteen complained(they didn't ask >> him for usage rights). Even manuel noriega was assaulted by heavy metal >> music by US special forces in an attempt to drive him out of his hiding >> place, yeah the brains behind the lies of our current political reality may >> be ad agencies,and even if they aren't right wing, born again,nazi loving >> dictators like Bush, they still have BAD taste in music,we can smell it >> from a distance, I only hope the future slaves of the world can smell it >> before it's too late!!..RR > > _________________________________________________________________ > Is your computer infected with a virus? Find out with a FREE computer virus > scan from McAfee. Take the FreeScan now! > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > Hi I live in Italy... I didn't voted berlusconi... I'm asking myself, listening your interesting discussion, wath music can do againsta this "president" very difficult answer is going on and where? I don't know but I'm listening my no wagnerian music out of television and media fucking italian tv... best wishes to you Manuel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 20:29:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAA1QYR23341; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 20:26:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 20:26:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031110012628.66233.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 17:26:28 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: music and freedom To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > or take our own prezBUSH, who like his > mentor Hitler(Hitler's > >rise to power was financially backed by GW Bush's > grandfather ,Prescott > >Bush ,before the US courts seized the > business,ironically the profits of > >the factories backed by Bush and worked to death by > Jewish slaves,were > >given back to Bush at the end of the war,making it > easy to support Bush > >the1st as well as Bush the 2nd's rise to power. http://www.straightdope.com/columns/030214.html John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 21:03:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAA22Ot00755; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 21:02:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 21:02:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 18:02:15 -0800 Subject: Re: y2k3 photos From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3151245741_14911938" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3151245741_14911938 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I gave Rick a CD with about 600 images on it last weekend, but he is suffering computer trouble. If my schedule lets up at all and Rick hasn=B9t gotten to do anything with them, I will try to cull them down to a much smaller set and post them somewhere on line (though I think I=B9ve exhausted my current web space allotment). If you want me to find a good photo of a specific performer, I can probably do that reasonably quickly. It=B9s dealing with all of the performers that I expect to require some time. Mark on 11/9/03 9:52 AM, Nemoguitt@aol.com at Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/9/03 4:14:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, > gareth.whitcock@ntlworld.com writes: >=20 >=20 >> Hey Ted - got any photos of the santa cruz event? >=20 >=20 > also mr hamburg?.....and anyone else.....michael --B_3151245741_14911938 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: y2k3 photos         &nbs= p; I gave Rick a CD with about 600 images on it last week= end, but he is suffering computer trouble. If my schedule lets up at all and= Rick hasn’t gotten to do anything with them, I will try to cull them = down to a much smaller set and post them somewhere on line (though I think I= ’ve exhausted my current web space allotment).

If you want me to find a good photo of a specific performer, I can probably= do that reasonably quickly. It’s dealing with all of the performers t= hat I expect to require some time.

Mark

on 11/9/03 9:52 AM, Nemoguitt@aol.com at Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 1= 1/9/03 4:14:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, gareth.whitcock@ntlworld.com writes= :


Hey Ted - got= any photos of the santa cruz event?


also mr hamburg?.....and anyone else.....michael

 --B_3151245741_14911938-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 21:49:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAA2lnl13017; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 21:47:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 21:47:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c3a735$20841c20$404dfea9@manecohsv6y6ib> From: "Maneco" To: References: <000601c39e8c$1c702ef0$404dfea9@manecohsv6y6ib> <005601c39ef0$f05b49c0$69894682@lance> Subject: MP3 of my loopers (EH16 clone and others) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 23:48:07 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://manecolooper.tripod.com Thanks for visiting Maneco From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 22:16:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAA3Eho23429; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 22:14:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 22:14:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031110031441.94977.qmail@web12203.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 19:14:41 -0800 (PST) From: Joe Balestreri Subject: RE: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2052447943-1068434081=:92404" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-2052447943-1068434081=:92404 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ableton Live, running on a G3 Powerbook, driven by a Behringer FCB1010 midi foot controller. Joe B. _______________ www.metaman.us --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard --0-2052447943-1068434081=:92404 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Ableton Live, running on a G3 Powerbook, driven by a Behringer FCB1010 midi foot controller.

Joe B.



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Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard --0-2052447943-1068434081=:92404-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 23:17:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAA42uR07056; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 23:02:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 23:02:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031110040227.82771.qmail@web80205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 20:02:27 -0800 (PST) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: Re: Lovetone stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000301c3a6f6$15e990e0$46b61345@MyComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1174492617-1068436947=:77109" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1174492617-1068436947=:77109 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii "A couple days is just not enough time to even begin to explore the potential of the Ring Stinger or the ? I've heard statements that ring modulation isn't very 'musical' from time to time (on this list possibly), and I think that's mostly a matter of taste and imagination as well." oh, totally...i'm not blaming the ring stinger...it was way rad and i could/did get some good musical/useful sounds, but my inability to consistently replicate them made me realize that 450 bucks was a bit much for a box that made cool noises but didn't exactly inspire me to make anything particularly musical, which is purely a personal taste/choice thing. -jim --0-1174492617-1068436947=:77109 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

"A couple days is just not enough time to even begin to explore the potential of the Ring Stinger or the ? I've heard statements that ring modulation isn't very 'musical' from time to time (on this list possibly), and I think that's mostly a matter of taste and imagination as well."

oh, totally...i'm not blaming the ring stinger...it was way rad and i could/did get some good musical/useful sounds, but my inability to consistently replicate them made me realize that 450 bucks was a bit much for a box that made cool noises but didn't exactly inspire me to make anything particularly musical, which is purely a personal taste/choice thing.

-jim

--0-1174492617-1068436947=:77109-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 03:28:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAA8R3i19605; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 03:27:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 03:27:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007301c3a764$8fe05dc0$0207a8c0@Stephen> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <20031110012628.66233.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: music and freedom Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:28:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <0f9wJC.A.KyE.Xv0r_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Tidwell" To: Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:26 AM Subject: Re: music and freedom > > or take our own prezBUSH, who like his > > mentor Hitler(Hitler's > > >rise to power was financially backed by GW Bush's > > grandfather ,Prescott > > >Bush ,before the US courts seized the > > business,ironically the profits of > > >the factories backed by Bush and worked to death by > > Jewish slaves,were > > >given back to Bush at the end of the war,making it > > easy to support Bush > > >the1st as well as Bush the 2nd's rise to power. > > > http://www.straightdope.com/columns/030214.html It MUST be true! It's on the Internet! What a lot of wanking crapola, which has nothing to do with music OR freedom. Steve Goodman * EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 03:37:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAA8Zoo23858; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 03:35:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 03:35:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006501c3a765$9eaab930$0c68f93f@BJORK> From: "loop.pool" To: References: <200311100028.hAA0SKR05170@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Y2K3 PHOTOS Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 00:35:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <-uYuDB.A.p0F.m30r_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got both sets of Y2K3 photos from Ted Killian and Mark Hamburg and will try to put up a page of them as soon as I can. I have to get to my web provider to accomplish this and have never done it before.................. That being said and done, I have a very time consuming remix project this week and I'm trying to learn both WinXP and Mac OS X this week whilst clean installing two computer systems.................it might be two or three weeks before I can get to it, basically. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 04:21:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAA9KV912781; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 04:20:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 04:20:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Doh!Fwd: Ellottronix XXL, new tape loop emulation plugin. Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:23:01 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Seen: false X-ID: XHojI-ZlQeYdLMcBtVnCybOl83yz4Q8kdyuu8k2GFpcDr+bnq+CSri@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <88STGC.A.iHD.eh1r_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Dave Trenkel [mailto:improv@peak.org] > Subject: Doh!Fwd: Ellottronix XXL, new tape loop emulation plugin. > > Sorry, hit send too soon, the URL is http://www.elgoxa.net You hit too soon again Dave :-) The correct URL is http://www.elogoxa.net -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 04:54:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAA9r6w27835; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 04:53:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 04:53:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:53:58 +0100 Subject: Re: music and freedom From: posadasmanuel To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031110012628.66233.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Il giorno 10-11-2003 2:26, John Tidwell, wedgehed@yahoo.com ha scritto: >> or take our own prezBUSH, who like his >> mentor Hitler(Hitler's >>> rise to power was financially backed by GW Bush's > > http://www.straightdope.com/columns/030214.html ===== > John Tidwell Hallo many thanks John very interesting! Manuel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 04:56:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAA9q6Q27227; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 04:52:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 04:52:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011a01c3a770$712f0af0$0207a8c0@Stephen> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <032401c3a5c7$f8a2ce40$4b68f93f@BJORK> <00b801c3a569$77458620$0affff0a@hppav> <5.2.1.1.0.20031108100635.01bc4dc0@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> <000501c3a628$8e6a0000$404dfea9@manecohsv6y6ib> <3FADACD7.9050708@mhorse.com> Subject: Re: EH16 clone information site Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:53:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <5zEDTC.A.SpG.F_1r_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (Wiping up drool built up over a 20-year period, that is since I heard of the EH16) Additional call for MP3s to hear, please! Also, how the hell was this engineered? Steve Goodman * EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net > SLOBBER! > > Looks great Maneco, I can't wait to hear MP3's. Especially if you could > get Nels Cline to do the demo (be a good test of its physical stability > as well)... > > your target market (i.e. simply unable to afford the original), > > Daryl Shawn > highhorse@mhorse.com > > > >http://manecolooper.tripod.com/ > > > >thanks for visiting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 04:58:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAA9tIh28864; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 04:55:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 04:55:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:55:10 +0100 Subject: Re: Ellottronix From: posadasmanuel To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Il giorno 10-11-2003 10:23, Michael Peters, mpeters@csi.com ha scritto: > You hit too soon again Dave :-) The correct URL is http://www.elogoxa.net > > > -Michael > www.michaelpeters.de Hallo but this wonderful program is only for PC and for Mac? do you know some similar or the same? Thank Manuel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 11:05:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAAG1iS27339; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:01:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:01:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <62F859D7-130E-11D8-8481-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> References: <62F859D7-130E-11D8-8481-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:01:25 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Lovetone stuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4nqFsD.A.ErG.oZ7r_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > My problem with the Ring Stinger is that it's impossible to recall >a sound, and the same control does drastically different things >depending on some of the rotary switch settings. This is a common criticism of all the Lovetone pedals, I believe. Even if you were to try jot down the settings as precisely as possible in a notebook, it would still be really tough to dial the same sound in again? I've heard that every single control on Lovetone pedals is extremely sensitive, but I've never been able to mess with one myself. Thanks for all the input. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 11:08:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAAG6UP28287; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:06:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:06:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000301c3a6f6$15e990e0$46b61345@MyComputer> References: <20031109153406.16385.qmail@web80206.mail.yahoo.com> <000301c3a6f6$15e990e0$46b61345@MyComputer> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:06:10 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Lovetone stuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I have the qm ? flanger-with-no-name, and it's absolutely amazing. It's easy >to feel like extreme settings aren't very useful, but if you hang in there >and think out-of-the-box, That's precisely why I'm interested in the pedals, actually. New, bizarre sounds can be inspiring--not to mention unique. That's one thing the Lovetone pedals seem to excel at. > >As for cost... well, yeah, they're pricey. When I'm low on cash and gaze at >my ? flanger, I sometimes see $$$$$. Restraint! Restraint! I'd regret >selling it the second I put it in the box. Flip side of that same coin: I'm contemplating biting the bullet and buying two of the pedals. It's a huge chunk of change up front, but if I'm going to keep them for a long, long time, and if they are worth every penny in the long run?? Well, you get the idea. I can rationalize about anything when it comes to buying gear. Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 11:46:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAAGffa04040; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:41:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:41:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <182.22e7181a.2ce119bb@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:41:31 EST Subject: Re: y2k3 photos To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hAAGfeo04009 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I took a bunch of photos too (or at least my camera did). Michael Klobuchar used it several times (thanks Mike!). I sent Rick W. a couple of CD-Rs with all the photos on them plus one to Robin Haas (for his compilation CD project). I have no ability to post 'em online myself. I've e-mailed a few low-res JPEGs out to a couple of folks who've requested them. But, if all-of-a-sudden every performer was to do the same I would not possibly be able to even begin to deliver. I am hoping that somewhere along the line someone can add them to their web page (I think this may be Rick's intent but I don't want to put words in his mouth) with links to downloadable JPEGs at full resolution. However, he is experiencing PC meltdown at the moment. If anyone else were to "step up to the plate" and offer to post this "rogue's gallery" online I am sure Mark and I could send discs to you too. I doubt if Rick would object. Mark Sottilaro posted/hosted them last year for several months on a page he designed for Y2K2 that used to be at: http://www.zerocrossing.net/y2k2loopfest/y2k2loopfest.html Thanks Mark, wherever you are! Are there any takers for doing this for Y2K3? Rick! Are you there? We need you input buddy. Y2K3 is your baby and we don't wanna take over if you have other plans. Best, tEd Ū kiLLiAn http://www.mp3.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 12:05:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAAGxkY10882; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:59:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:59:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FAFC3FF.8040608@oracle.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:59:43 -0500 From: George Demarest Organization: Oracle Corporation User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: y2k3 photos References: <182.22e7181a.2ce119bb@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <182.22e7181a.2ce119bb@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I send a message to Rick saying that I could probably get them posted on a site I have access to. It can't function as an anonymous FTP site for massive downloads, but as a viewable gallery, should work fine. So, if Rick is in agreement, you can send CDs to me: George Demarest 4 Hoxie Hollow East Sandwich, MA 02537 I should be able to get them up in short order, gfd ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: >Hi all, > >I took a bunch of photos too (or at least my camera did). >Michael Klobuchar used it several times (thanks Mike!). >I sent Rick W. a couple of CD-Rs with all the photos on them >plus one to Robin Haas (for his compilation CD project). > >I have no ability to post 'em online myself. I've e-mailed a few >low-res JPEGs out to a couple of folks who've requested them. >But, if all-of-a-sudden every performer was to do the same >I would not possibly be able to even begin to deliver. > >I am hoping that somewhere along the line someone can add >them to their web page (I think this may be Rick's intent >but I don't want to put words in his mouth) with links to >downloadable JPEGs at full resolution. > >However, he is experiencing PC meltdown at the moment. >If anyone else were to "step up to the plate" and offer to >post this "rogue's gallery" online I am sure Mark and I >could send discs to you too. I doubt if Rick would object. > >Mark Sottilaro posted/hosted them last year for several >months on a page he designed for Y2K2 that used to be at: >http://www.zerocrossing.net/y2k2loopfest/y2k2loopfest.html >Thanks Mark, wherever you are! > >Are there any takers for doing this for Y2K3? Rick! Are you >there? We need you input buddy. Y2K3 is your baby and we don't >wanna take over if you have other plans. > >Best, > >tEd Ū kiLLiAn > >http://www.mp3.com/tedkillian >http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html >http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian >http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 12:32:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAAHT1M20378; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:29:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:29:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3FABE42E.E4290AAF@mhorse.com> References: <3FABE42E.E4290AAF@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:28:58 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: Daryl's cassette looping Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1143637157==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1143637157==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" DARYL-please get that article written SOON! i could always use some more insight/pointers/help (when i use my tascam porta05)!!! s--- > >looping: >Tascam 464 4-track w/loop cassette >Yamaha MT-100 4-track w/loop cassette >Sony M-2000 minicassette transcriber (just bought last week, and my >cheapest gear ever - $6! amazing potential) > >futzing: >DOD r-880 analog delay >Digitech 1002 stompbox delay >Ibanez DE-7 stompbox echo/delay > >As soon as I face up to the reality of committing my lovely analog >noise to digital, I'm going to make some mp3's and an article on >cassette looping techniques...I'm still finding new possibilities. >plus it's cheap! my (all used) entire setup above cost less then >$250... > >Daryl Shawn >highhorse@mhorse.com -- --============_-1143637157==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Daryl's cassette looping
DARYL-please get that article written SOON! i could always use some
more insight/pointers/help (when i use my tascam porta05)!!!
s---


 
looping:
Tascam 464 4-track w/loop cassette
Yamaha MT-100 4-track w/loop cassette
Sony M-2000 minicassette transcriber (just bought last week, and my cheapest gear ever - $6!  amazing potential)
futzing:
DOD r-880 analog delay
Digitech 1002 stompbox delay
Ibanez DE-7 stompbox echo/delay
As soon as I face up to the reality of committing my lovely analog noise to digital, I'm going to make some mp3's and an article on cassette looping techniques...I'm still finding new possibilities.  plus it's cheap! my (all used) entire setup above cost less then $250...

Daryl Shawn
highhorse@mhorse.com


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--============_-1143637157==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 13:05:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAAI1e927919; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:01:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:01:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.219.207.21] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Echoplex problems Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:01:33 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2003 18:01:33.0508 (UTC) FILETIME=[AD028040:01C3A7B4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all (again Geoff forgive me,i have to come to the library to get on the net so i dont have much time for sending seperate emails) I have taken the plunge and opened my echoplex and pushed all the components previously mentioned gentley but firmly, to be honest I didnt notice any of them sink visibly deeper into their connection,bt then again im not exactly an authority on this. I have put the unit back togeather and looper for a while (about half an hour)consistently without a problem..............so far so good. Its probably too early to give a diffinitive ok ,but its a good start. Phill >From: "Bernhard Wagner" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: RE: Echoplex problems >Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 19:36:18 +0100 > >Don't off-list, please. >I'm curious how you'd tame a contumacious EDP! >Bernhard > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Andy Ewen [mailto:andy.ewen@btinternet.com] > > Sent: Freitag, 7. November 2003 19:23 > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: RE: Echoplex problems > > > > > > > > Yup, that's definitely the first step. I was in a real hurry last night > > and didn't follow my own rules on fault-finding!! > > I'd carefully remove all socketed chips including the memory, clean any > > contacts that look tarnished and see if that cures the problem. If not, > > let me know, (off-list if you like) and I'll suggest other things to > > try. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jesse Ray Lucas [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net] > > Sent: 07 November 2003 01:41 > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Echoplex problems > > > > I was going to suggest opening the Echoplex and re-seating the Loop3.5 > > chip. > > But, Andy Ewen probably knows best. > > > > -Jesse > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 13:18:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAAIFUC30362; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:15:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:15:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005b01c3a7b6$98f056c0$0c68f93f@BJORK> From: "loop.pool" To: References: <200311101705.hAAH56a13810@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Y2K3 Photos and the Y2K3 sampler CD in progress Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:15:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm burning copies of the CD as we speak and George Demarest has graciously volunteered to put them up in the next week or so. thanks, Mark, Ted (and his bitch dog photographer slave, Scoots Galore) for taking all these wonderful pictures. I was so overwhelmed by trying to coordinate things, MC all 27 artist performances and play several times myself that I missed a lot of things and these photos really brought back what an incredible weekend Y2K3 was. Thanks for documenting it for us. by the way, Robin Haas is doing really great work distilling the whole exerience into a sample CD (and possibly CDs). I really hope that all the artists who performed will give him the consent to release this materiall to the public. I've heard some of the tracks and they came out fantastically and would do the live looping community really well if they were released to the public. Please send him your tacit approval if you can find it in your heart to do so. yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 13:23:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAAIKFi31872; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:20:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:20:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:26:10 +0000 Subject: Re: Echoplex problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Geoffrey Smith To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <5BD52934-13AB-11D8-845F-000393DBBD02@btopenworld.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I hope this works I know it has happened to several people on the list. (common edp folklore) With a bit of luck it probably just got a bump from the post man. The same thing happened to me when I was posted an akai mpc with an output board after a little push everything worked again. Keep me posted. Hope u can enjoy u'r edp now. geoff On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 06:01 PM, lol c wrote: > Hi all (again Geoff forgive me,i have to come to the library to get on > the net so i dont have much time for sending seperate emails) > > > I have taken the plunge and opened my echoplex and pushed all the > components previously mentioned gentley but firmly, to be honest I > didnt notice any of them sink visibly deeper into their connection,bt > then again im not exactly an authority on this. > I have put the unit back togeather and looper for a while (about half > an hour)consistently without a problem..............so far so good. > > Its probably too early to give a diffinitive ok ,but its a good start. > > Phill > >> From: "Bernhard Wagner" >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> To: >> Subject: RE: Echoplex problems >> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 19:36:18 +0100 >> >> Don't off-list, please. >> I'm curious how you'd tame a contumacious EDP! >> Bernhard >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Andy Ewen [mailto:andy.ewen@btinternet.com] >> > Sent: Freitag, 7. November 2003 19:23 >> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> > Subject: RE: Echoplex problems >> > >> > >> > >> > Yup, that's definitely the first step. I was in a real hurry last >> night >> > and didn't follow my own rules on fault-finding!! >> > I'd carefully remove all socketed chips including the memory, clean >> any >> > contacts that look tarnished and see if that cures the problem. If >> not, >> > let me know, (off-list if you like) and I'll suggest other things to >> > try. >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Jesse Ray Lucas [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net] >> > Sent: 07 November 2003 01:41 >> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> > Subject: Re: Echoplex problems >> > >> > I was going to suggest opening the Echoplex and re-seating the >> Loop3.5 >> > chip. >> > But, Andy Ewen probably knows best. >> > >> > -Jesse >> > >> > >> > >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. > http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 13:24:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAAILBM32172; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:21:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:21:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008801c3a7b7$638525f0$0c68f93f@BJORK> From: "loop.pool" To: References: <200311101705.hAAH56a13810@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: lovely quote for musical inspiration Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:20:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Read this wonderful buddhist quote the other day and thought of everyone in our community: "Act as if the future of the Universe depends on what you do, while laughing at yourself for thinking that your actions make any difference. " From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 13:37:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAAIU5n01840; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:30:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:30:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <9b.40634f97.2ce13301@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:29:21 EST Subject: Re: Y2K3 Photos and the Y2K3 sampler CD in progress To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hAAIU5o01809 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick, In a message dated 11/10/03 10:16:23 AM, rickwalker@looppool.info writes: >Please send him your tacit approval if you can find it in your heart to >do so. Tacit approval already given. He did a great job! tEd Ū kiLLiAn http://www.mp3.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 19:14:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAB0CGA30198; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:12:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:12:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:12:08 -0800 Message-ID: <3FA1F7F300006759@mta12.wss.scd.yahoo.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Atomic Mobius Machine website update To: "Looper Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hAB0CFo30176 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loopers and Looperettes, I have updated the AtoMoMach website so it accurately links to all of our online content. In doing so I also realized that there is at least one session that did not get uploaded, but that will happen 'real soon now'... :) I also reformatted the page so that the most recent performances are first... Please feel free to download and send me comments.. or not.. ;) http://www.musetrap.com/atomicmobiusmachine/listen.html peace -cpr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 20:30:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAB1RcD10564; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 20:27:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 20:27:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:27:35 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Gig spam [Seattle]: Travis Hartnett @ Penny Cafe 11/11/03 From: Travis To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <3AE02BBF-13E6-11D8-BD2D-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll be playing at the Penny Cafe again this Tuesday, opening for Andrew Norsworthy. The Penny is at 1707 NW Market Street, there's no cover, and lots of free parking on the street. I'll be starting at 7:30 sharp and playing a short set of acoustic guitar looping. Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 20:47:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAB1ftl12943; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 20:41:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 20:41:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031111014148.76989.qmail@web80204.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:41:48 -0800 (PST) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: Re: Lovetone stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1440363155-1068514908=:75823" Resent-Message-ID: <3VGCLD.A.HKD.i5Ds_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1440363155-1068514908=:75823 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii "I can rationalize about anything when it comes to buying gear." this, my friend, is a very dangerous talent. now go and guiltlessly buy!!! -jim --0-1440363155-1068514908=:75823 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

"I can rationalize about anything when it comes to buying gear."

this, my friend, is a very dangerous talent.  now go and guiltlessly buy!!!

-jim

--0-1440363155-1068514908=:75823-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 20:56:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAB1svv15223; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 20:54:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 20:54:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20031111014148.76989.qmail@web80204.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031111014148.76989.qmail@web80204.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:54:27 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Lovetone stuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >this, my friend, is a very dangerous talent. now go and guiltlessly buy!!! Did I mention that the Gretsch 6120 1960 reissue I played recently was looking awfully, awfully sweet too?! And I just found a killer deal on it also. Think of all the money I would save*! :) Jeff *Of course I realize the absurdity of that statement. But it's one hell of a good rationalization! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 23:33:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAB4Vkx12629; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:31:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:31:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:15:02 -0800 Subject: Re: Y2K3 Photos and the Y2K3 sampler CD in progress From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9b.40634f97.2ce13301@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, Robin has done a wonderful job slaving over the files to get good mixes of the room mics with the direct sends. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 02:40:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAB7chb13832; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 02:38:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 02:38:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004301c3a825$b895fec0$56671e43@r1x5s0> From: "Robin Haas" To: References: Subject: Re: Y2K3 sampler CD(s) in progress... Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:30:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well thanks for those kind words, Mark! Tonight I just finished mixing and EQuing and adjusting levels of all of the pieces I would like to use for the Santa Cruz Looping Festival Y2K3 CD(s), one piece from each person!!! It is my way of creating the illusion that I still live in a democracy. The big tent. With room for everybody. No one refused. (I was not even tempted to exclude anyone, there were fine performances by all). And I am in the process of posting the last of the MP3s so each musician can hear (privately) the piece of theirs that I have chosen. I have worked pretty much non stop for a month on it. It went from hot autumn to cold winter weather and from a hazzardous dry fire season to end of fire season and wet ground. while I worked. What I most need from everyone is several paragraphs that I can put up on my (under reconstruction) website to describe their work, a bit about themselves and how looping and related equipment fits into actualizing their musical conception. Live particularly but also in the studio. And a title for their piece and links for how people can get their CDs and find out about their future performances. Time for a bit of self permotion here. I can always add and change, but it would be great if the project can keep its momentum to some sort of completion. Trust me, I have other audio projects I would like to get to as well, when we have a result here. I sense musicians do not like to write about themselves, they play instead of write, as a personal expression. I became a painter, and now a recording artist, or rather an artist who records, so I would not have to give speeches, like politicians. (However, I have found I can talk myself out of a paper bag any day of the week! Now if I can just learn to stay out of the paper bags...) I hope I am proven wrong on this theory of mine by getting some written input sent to me by the musicians and this year, and not next. My computer must be set to reject certain categories of attachments, perhaps long ones, I do not yet know. If you can send the material in the email as opposed to an attachment, I may have better luck getting it. Looking forward to hearing from all when they get my already sent and soon to be sent emails and MP3 URLs. Robin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" To: Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 2:15 PM Subject: Re: Y2K3 Photos and the Y2K3 sampler CD in progress > Yes, Robin has done a wonderful job slaving over the files to get good mixes > of the room mics with the direct sends. > > Mark > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 05:48:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hABAlM810429; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 05:47:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 05:47:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FB0BCF7.DFAAB566@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 02:41:59 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Bay Area Gig Spam: Jon Wagner and Andre LaFosse Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "The Mountain View Looping Music Show and Bay Area CD Release" will take place from 7:30 - 10pm, Friday, Nov. 21st, 2003 at Starz Dance Studio, 223 Moffet Blvd, Mountain View, CA. Andre LaFosse (guitar, Los Angeles, CA) will join local artist Jon Wagner (percussion) in an evening of solo and duo playing. Andre has recently released a new solo album, "Normalized," that will be available for sale at this show. There will be a $10 door charge, with nobody turned away for lack of funds. Press release, directions, and more info: http://www.jondrums.com/looping/fall2003/index.html Additional Bay Area shows featuring Jon and/or Andre during the same week are extremely likely, and will be posted once they're confirmed. --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 10:33:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hABFOqC25576; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:24:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:24:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.193.127.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Original-From: "Weg" Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:23:48 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Weg Message-Id: <20031111.072437.15926.182933@webmail02.nyc.untd.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gibson EDP (ver.4) Repeater Boss RC-20 Boss DD-20 Weg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 12:22:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hABHHsP17550; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:17:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:17:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:42:06 -0800 Subject: Re: LOOPING TOOLS I USE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Zoe Keating To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <95A663FC-13AD-11D8-A3C1-000393BAA0F6@zoekeating.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com le repeater On Friday, November 7, 2003, at 06:32 AM, Scott Hansen wrote: > digitech rp100 (2 sec delays) > korg kaoss pad (5 sec sampler-some fun stuff in there) > digitech dsp256xl (1.5 sec delays and love the multi-tap delays) > dod d-12 (my 12 sec loops or 12 sec of delay) > lexicon mpx100 (5.5 sec of delay at 30% repeat, or 2 sec of loops) > tascam porta05 (20 sec of tape loop) > > > note to Ted K.: been listening to your cd again over the last few days > and it's making me dread that i sold my zoom tube preamp a few months > ago, > getting tired of the "digital modeling" when i've been listening to my > recent demo projects. Ted, you get some great tones on there (well > heck, > the playing is downright fab-o-good too), now it looks like > i need to find a tube replacement gear (ug). oh well...happy fri... > s--- > -- > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 14:33:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hABJMki18427; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:22:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:22:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.163.129.139] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: GIG SPAM: Fractal - Continuum CD release event (SF Bay area) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:22:35 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Nov 2003 19:22:35.0447 (UTC) FILETIME=[295D4470:01C3A889] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Sadly our gig for the 15th is canceled due to double booking on the part of the venue. (That almost never happens...). Just wanted to let you know. Will post a new date once known. Thanks! Best, Nic >From: "Nic Roozeboom" >To: "Reflector Loopers-Delight" >Subject: CD & GIG SPAM combo: Fractal - Continuum CD release event (SF Bay >area) >Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 09:01:36 -0800 > >Greetings fellow loopists, > >I am happy and proud to let you know that our debut CD, Continuum, is out >and available. Please feel welcomed to check out our site for more info >(www.fractal-continuum.com), or go directly to CDBaby >(www.cdbaby.com/fractal) to hear mp3 samples and for concise album/band >info. > >To celebrate, we'll be playing a show next Saturday Nov 15th at the >Britannia Arms in Cupertino, CA by way of a CD release event. There will be >no cover charge. Details at www.fractal-continuum.com. > >All the best, >Nic > > > _________________________________________________________________ Frustrated with dial-up? Get high-speed for as low as $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 14:50:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hABJlZJ23183; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:47:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:47:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FB13B88.3030208@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:42:00 -0800 From: Daryl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cassette looping, maneco looper References: <3FABE42E.E4290AAF@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks for the interest Scott! I'm getting started on it. I'd love to get other people interested in cassette looping using the unglamourous 4track. Hell, you get a multi-track, stereo looper, with (often) multiple effects loops, up to 20 minutes looping time on dirt-cheap removable media, with pitch-shifting (often) double/half speed capabilities, individual pan and eq controls on each channel, plus a built-in mixing section that can accept as many as 8 other inputs. and it's analog! and full of glitchability! on other topics...Maneco, the MP3's sound really good. thanks for posting. Now, I'd love to hear someone really play the shit out of it! Part of the strength of the EH16 is the tweakability, the ability to mess with the 'fabric of time'...I passed on the Line 6 looper because it didn't seem so capable of getting insane, unpredictable results. The technical specs of loop time, reverse, etc. aside, what are the unique capabilities of your box? What happens once you start button-mashing and whipping pots around? For me at least, these are selling points. Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 15:07:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hABK0W426479; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:00:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:00:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <12a.34a5e7d4.2ce299d4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:00:20 EST Subject: Re: cassette looping, maneco looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com daryl.....i have a 4 trac sitting here just getting dusty, i would love to hear your ideas about putting this beast to work.....looking forward to your thoughts.....i'm sure mr scott hanson will have some input also.....this would be a great CT-COLLECTIVE PROJECT, just using a 4 trac as your only looper or something like that.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 15:07:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hABJxCW26190; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:59:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:59:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20031111134958.0439d6e0@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:57:51 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: RE: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE In-Reply-To: <20031111.072437.15926.182933@webmail02.nyc.untd.com> References: <20031111.072437.15926.182933@webmail02.nyc.untd.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Another late entry: 1 Electrix Repeater 1 Line 6 Echo Pro Also, I've a bunch of different software programs and VST's (e.g. PSP-42, Paul W's Looper Beta, etc.) but nothing to which I'm really dedicated for Looping. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 19:10:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAC06E822383; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:06:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:06:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:05:49 -0800 Message-ID: <3FA1F7F3000077E4@mta12.wss.scd.yahoo.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: OT: Software Engineer job opening To: "Looper Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hAC05uo22276 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, We (Euphonix, www.euphonix.com) are looking to hire another (fingers crossed for two) software engineer, and I thought this might be a good place to toss out the info. We are looking for someone with strong Windows GUI chops, as well as broad set of skills ranging from multi OS work (we also use vxWorks), distributed architectures (like CORBA or DCOM), and solid multithreaded coding. If you want more details please feel free to email me, or just send me your resume and cover letter, and I'll forward them on to the right person. Thanks for your time. peace -cpr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 19:34:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAC0QOt26435; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:26:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:26:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: Software Engineer job opening Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:26:17 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <3FA1F7F3000077E4@mta12.wss.scd.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Shoulda finsihed hi skool Gary Lehmann Candy Meyer, RN, BSN HealthQuest Recruiters From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 20:04:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAC0w4L32235; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:58:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:58:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FB1847B.5090909@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:53:15 -0800 From: Daryl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Cassette looping doc online References: <12a.34a5e7d4.2ce299d4@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <12a.34a5e7d4.2ce299d4@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I found some time this afternoon, and I put together some thoughts and pointers regarding the use of a cassette four-track for looping. Please let me know if there's anything that needs clarification, or if anyone has other ideas for things that could be added. Perhaps this could be useful for the loopers-delight website, once it's cleaned up. http://www.mhorse.com/Analog/cassette_looping.htm Hopefully I'll have some sound samples, and maybe photos, sometime this week. Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 22:27:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAC3Pmw01134; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 22:25:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 22:25:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008601c3a8cc$a77eb6c0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <20031111.072437.15926.182933@webmail02.nyc.untd.com> <6.0.0.22.2.20031111134958.0439d6e0@spamarrest.com> Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:25:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The current raw results from the looping tools survey is here: http://www.mrscox.com/loopers/loopers.htm (or you can go straight to the PDF at http://www.mrscox.com/loopers/loopers.PDF) If you want to correct your data, please email me off-list. At this point, the general consensus seems to be - if you currently own it, and commonly use it specifically for looping (vs. simple echo/delay) - it's in your reponse. I have taken down the HTML table version of the data for now. Instead, I'm making a PDF version of the spreadsheet available. The response rate dropped fast on Monday and Tuesday. If I see that we've slowed down to less than 1 new response per day, I'll go ahead and call it and quit tallying. That's not a threat... it's a promise! :) Right now the numbers say that 80 people own 251 pieces (that's over 3 each) of hardware or software that they use to loop. There are 60 unique devices/programs listed, but the most significant representation (% of owners with that device) seems to be from about 7 devices: EDP (50%), Repeater (30%), DL-4 (30%), Jamman (15%), Kaoss Pad (15%), Ableton Live (10%) and the Boomerang (10%). Below that, ownership drops below 10% of the total population, and there's a bunch of onsies and twosies. Technical term. Doug PS - at some point, it would be great if someone applied current market prices to these devices, and calculated the total and average investment in looping tools that we represent! If you just assume an average of $400 per piece, we're up to >$100,000 among 80 people. Zowie. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 23:07:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAC46Mk10216; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:06:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:06:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FB1B1B3.1010100@bagend.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 22:06:11 -0600 From: Henry Heine User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE References: <20031111.072437.15926.182933@webmail02.nyc.untd.com> <6.0.0.22.2.20031111134958.0439d6e0@spamarrest.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please count me, too! 1 Repeater 1 Boomerang 1 Yamaha AK4000 sampler and (less used) Acid Abelton Live - I think this one has real potential. Well, they all do! Henry Heine henry@bagend.com Bag End Loudspeakers vox 847 382 4550 fax 847 382 4551 http://www.bagend.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 23:25:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAC4NfY13736; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:23:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:23:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20031111231808.029bee00@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: taghairm@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:21:45 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: p koniuto Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE In-Reply-To: <00b801c3a569$77458620$0affff0a@hppav> References: <032401c3a5c7$f8a2ce40$4b68f93f@BJORK> <00b801c3a569$77458620$0affff0a@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yet another late response: - one Oberheim Echoplex DP (Loop IV, which i love) - one Electrix Repeater - one Lexicon JamMan - one Lexicon Vortex All used for looping. All used for things other than looping, as well. -peter koniuto From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 12 05:45:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hACAgKR03517; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 05:42:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 05:42:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Woz Mail" To: Subject: RE: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:39:40 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031111231808.029bee00@pop.mindspring.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <09HIMB.A.y2.M6gs_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Repeater Jamman -----Original Message----- From: p koniuto [mailto:peter@RedSunSoundroom.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 3:22 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Yet another late response: - one Oberheim Echoplex DP (Loop IV, which i love) - one Electrix Repeater - one Lexicon JamMan - one Lexicon Vortex All used for looping. All used for things other than looping, as well. -peter koniuto --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.532 / Virus Database: 326 - Release Date: 10/27/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.532 / Virus Database: 326 - Release Date: 10/27/03 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 12 07:51:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hACCi4t25656; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 07:44:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 07:44:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: loops in German radio Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:46:39 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-Seen: false X-ID: Zekj8+ZB8e+7FkjNgqKcC2wTa37OCYzPpD20rTRx8cRDYR7ybMTKwj@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com German listeners, there will be a feature on loops in electronic music on WDR3. The date is: next wednesday (Nov 19) at 23:05 p.m. Bjoern Gottstein, specialist for electronic music, plays pieces by Christian Fennesz, Terry Riley, Bernhard Lang, Christian Marclay, and Ekkehard Ehlers. I'm sure it'll be interesting. http://www.wdr.de/radio/wdr3/sendung.phtml?sendung=WDR+3+open%3A+Studio+Elek tronische+Musi (be sure that this URL is in one line) = michael peters = www.michaelpeters.de = computer graphics + electronic music From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 12 11:25:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hACGNl806003; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:23:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:23:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3FB1847B.5090909@mhorse.com> References: <3FB1847B.5090909@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:23:44 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: Re: Cassette looping doc online Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com daryl-thanks for putting that up so fast. i printed it out and will look at it. guess it will make me think of what i do w/ cassette looping..... your article looks like a good start! s--- >Well, I found some time this afternoon, and I put together some >thoughts and pointers regarding the use of a cassette four-track for >looping. Please let me know if there's anything that needs >clarification, or if anyone has other ideas for things that could be >added. Perhaps this could be useful for the loopers-delight >website, once it's cleaned up. > >http://www.mhorse.com/Analog/cassette_looping.htm > >Hopefully I'll have some sound samples, and maybe photos, sometime this week. > >Daryl Shawn >highhorse@mhorse.com -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 12 11:26:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hACGMpW05812; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:22:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:22:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:24:26 -0500 Message-ID: <002601c3a939$70a69060$6401a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <008601c3a8cc$a77eb6c0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All! I've been in true lurk-mode for awhile due to some extreme overtime contract work (isn't slavery illegal?). But here's my statistical contribution: 2 EDP's w/ Loop IV 1 Kyma X system w/ Looper Construction Kit Great thread, Rick! And thanks to all (especially Doug) for participating and collecting the results! I look forward to un-lurking and contributing more to our community when my workload eases. Best, Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 12 11:40:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hACGbNn08326; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:37:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:37:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.219.207.20] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex problems Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:37:16 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Nov 2003 16:37:17.0119 (UTC) FILETIME=[3BFE44F0:01C3A93B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi mate, Just to keep you updated, I playd for about an hour last night with no turning of or failed boot ups, i did have one nise distortion glitch, i have jsut been out and bought a whole new set of good quality leads so I will test further tonight. fingers crossed. Phill _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 12 12:27:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hACHMth18034; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:22:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:22:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <14e.2668e2a4.2ce3c657@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:22:31 EST Subject: Re: Cassette looping doc online To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_14e.2668e2a4.2ce3c657_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: <1yHrP.A.mZE.vxms_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_14e.2668e2a4.2ce3c657_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/11/03 7:58:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, highhorse@mhorse.com writes: > http://www.mhorse.com/Analog/cassette_looping.htm > daryl.....great stuff.....this belongs on LD.....thanks.....michael --part1_14e.2668e2a4.2ce3c657_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 11/11/= 03 7:58:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, highhorse@mhorse.com writes:


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daryl.....great stuff.....this belongs on LD.....thanks.....michael --part1_14e.2668e2a4.2ce3c657_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 12 13:19:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hACIF7q28199; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:15:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:15:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Chasing the Loop--MIDI Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:15:03 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi-- I have been getting some good results having the Lexicon MPX G2 "chase the loop", that is, set the delay times by MIDI clock sent from an EDP--the D-Two wasn't as good at this. What devices are others using that are pleasing in this regards? Regards, Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 12 15:03:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hACJtwf19939; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:55:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:55:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031108233358.009ad520@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 23:33:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: Lake buttler Mitigator question In-Reply-To: References: <20031109114229.72058.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ian, way cool!, thanks for sending this along. Kim may have mentioned this one already at some point, but I don't remember hearing about it previously, and it sounds like it might be pretty cool for a smaller and more portable set-up with a whole lot of flexibility, so I'll definitely check it out. How many pedals/foot switches does it have on it?, -since I know you'd been looking for a single-level controller. Anyway, thanks again, and have a great day!... Smiles, Cara --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Wed. 11.05.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 12 15:32:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hACKRmR26029; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:27:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:27:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:27:41 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Re: Lake buttler Mitigator question In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20031108233358.009ad520@pop.earthlink.net> References: <20031109114229.72058.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Nov 2003 20:27:47.0435 (UTC) FILETIME=[6F8103B0:01C3A95B] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hACKRlo26005 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, If I won the lottery, I'd have every bit of gear rebuilt with enormous displays and speech synthesized menus! Ian. At 23:33 08/11/2003 -0700, you wrote: >  Ian, way cool!, thanks for sending this along.  Kim may have mentioned >this one already at some point, but I don't remember hearing about it >previously, and it sounds like it might be pretty cool for a smaller and >more portable set-up with a whole lot of flexibility, so I'll definitely >check it out.  How many pedals/foot switches does it have on it?, -since I >know you'd been looking for a single-level controller.  >  Anyway, thanks again, and have a great day!...   > >Smiles, > >Cara > > > >--- > >  View my online portfolio at:  >http://www.onemodelp lace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 >  -Last updated on Wed. 11.05.03 > >  "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. >-Then, anything is possible..."  > >http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > >Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe.  > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ba dfiction > >http://groups.yahoo.com/gro up/the-guitar-cafe > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 12 15:55:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hACKjJM28787; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:45:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:45:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031109002323.007ff750@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 00:23:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: Lake buttler Mitigator question In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.20031108233358.009ad520@pop.earthlink.net> <20031109114229.72058.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -with the way technology is going lately, you may not have to, you might just be able to restore/enhance your sight! lol! RE: the MM-5, how many pedals does it have on it?, -does it use banks?, and how many?, and is it single or double row? I'm personally currently using an FCB-1010 and liking it just fine, but wish it was physically smaller, so as to take up less floor space. I usually go between four banks of 10 controls, so am curious how this one works. Anyway, -most, best, -have an awesome day!... Smiles, Cara --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Wed. 11.05.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 12 16:13:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hACL3AO01135; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:03:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:03:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031109004114.007ff240@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 00:41:14 -0700 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Proj Obj again!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had the pleasure of seeing Project Object yet again, on Mon. eve. The show was utterly FANTASTIC!, and as usual, the guys were total sweeties! they had an opening act this time around, and lo and behold, he was a looper! He called himself, Me, Myself, and I, and performed material featuring his playing not only different musical passages to create loops, but playing different instruments to create them. So he created quite the array of tones. Oh, and almost forgot, NO AMBIENCE! WOOHOO! lol! -Though the loops were fairly static, once created, they definitely had grooves going on, and song structure within them. Brian Helm (another LD'er) and I, contributed a little more rhythm to the mix with chopsticks and a couple of glasses. Hey!, a few odd-timed polyrhythms never hurt anyone! lol! Project Object then played an incredibly super-charged, emotional couple of sets which were fortunately recorded. So we're excited to hear them. I can't stress enough, that you should definitely go see these guys when they come near where you are! In addition to being simply sublime musicians, they're just such wonderfully nice people. Go and support them, and say hi, you'll have an awesome time!... Smiles, Cara --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Wed. 11.05.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 12 16:34:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hACLSCW06329; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:28:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:28:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f301c3a964$84ddfbb0$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:32:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com echoplex loop iv repeater digitech 3.5 (for the twist and stutter) line 6 echo pro studio tc electronics fireworx korg kaoss pad + a whole buttload of secondary effects wanna get into software when i can afford it lance From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 12 16:38:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hACLZIZ08014; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:35:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:35:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [142.177.138.167] X-Originating-Email: [danioore@hotmail.com] From: "Dani Oore" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: echoplex: 1.feedback pedal 2.parameter select 3.reverse/multiply Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:35:10 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Nov 2003 21:35:11.0791 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA20C3F0:01C3A964] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi, just got an echoplex. i have three questions: 1.feedback pedal: wondering what kind of pedal is needed for the feedback control. is it an 'expression pedal' (-does that mean sending control voltage/impedence ...??)? any suggested brands? (ex: if expression pedal, then line6, or roland e5) quality, durability, compatability, wide&adjustable range. 2.parameter select: i was fooling around on the footswitch pedal when i suddenly found myself scrolling through parameters. i tried to figure out if i selected the parameter function by pressing two buttons on the footswitch at once... no luck. is it possible? 3.reverse/multiply: sometimes, after a minute or so of repeatedly flicking REVERSE/FORWARD as fast as possible (sometimes interjecting stutter w/ NEXT LOOP) the echoplex starts creating unpredictable versions of my loop or all together silencing (and then sometimes bringing the original loop back again). one time i was doing this repeated flicking and then hit the multiply and my loop got shorter and shorter until it was just digital distortion. it was amazing. a little surprised, and a little worried that it was potentially harmful to my echoplex. anybody w/ common or comparable experiences? thanks, dani oore _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 12 17:41:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hACMd0c22082; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:39:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:39:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031112223853.85844.qmail@web40514.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:38:53 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Chasing the Loop--MIDI To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Gary are you using the lake buttler by any chance? can you scroll through loops back and forth with it? cheers Louie --- Relay wrote: > Hi-- > I have been getting some good results having the > Lexicon MPX G2 "chase the > loop", that is, set the delay times by MIDI clock > sent from an EDP--the > D-Two wasn't as good at this. What devices are > others using that are > pleasing in this regards? > Regards, > Gary > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 12 18:22:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hACNI2u30101; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 18:18:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 18:18:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Foot Controllers Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:17:58 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20031112223853.85844.qmail@web40514.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Louie Angulo wrote: Hey Gary are you using the lake buttler by any chance? can you scroll through loops back and forth with it? cheers Louie ------>Hey Louie--I am using the PMC-10, a very similar unit no longer made by Digitech. I had a Lake Butler Mitigator and sold it to a deserving soul on this list about 8 months ago. Both units can send the full spectrum of MIDI information, so they can call up any loop at any time (as well as almost anything in the MIDI spec) but I like the PMC better because it has 9 patches per bank instead of 5, 500 patches possible, 100 banks, and 5 sets instead of 3, as well as supporting 2 CC pedals instead of 1--also Digitech is still in business and services the unit, whereas Emmett Bradford, the Lake Butler guy, no longer wants to support his products. The Behringer sound like a great bang for the buck, but I am glad I don't have to try to program that one--also, the PMC has a software editor for the PC written by list member Sean Echevarria that makes using the PMC a theta wave generating experience (satori anyone?) . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 12 19:27:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAD0N0d07071; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:23:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:23:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:22:48 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c3a97c$451ad0d0$6401a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00f301c3a964$84ddfbb0$69894682@lance> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 2 EDP with Loop IV 1 Repeater Ableton Live From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 12 19:38:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAD0ZVb09288; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:35:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:35:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "looper @ jump/cut" To: Subject: RE: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:35:32 -0800 Organization: http://www.jumpcut.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <000001c3a97c$451ad0d0$6401a8c0@neil> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcOpfjjGVAHFTMbwSMO/YXO1/8GQnAAAGUIw Message-Id: <200311121847796.SM02156@kinesys1> Resent-Message-ID: <7gwEjD.A._QC.THts_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com EDP with Loop IV Line 6 DL4 Akai Headrush -----Original Message----- From: Neil Goldstein [mailto:ngold@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 4:23 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE 2 EDP with Loop IV 1 Repeater Ableton Live From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 12 22:42:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAD3bTm09459; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:37:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:37:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20031112223828.016fd3f0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: nickd@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:38:28 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: nick douglas Subject: RE: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE In-Reply-To: <200311121847796.SM02156@kinesys1> References: <000001c3a97c$451ad0d0$6401a8c0@neil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Akai S3000 big old home-built delay Lexicon Vortex Electrix Mo-Fx Alesis midi-verb II From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 12 23:29:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAD4Pv318207; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 23:25:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 23:25:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FB30692.481AD8DF@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:20:34 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Oakland Clinic/Gig Spam: Jon Wagner and Andre LaFosse Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <14CNa.A.YcE.Vfws_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mr. Wagner and I will be doing an afternoon clinic and evening concert in Oakland, hosted by none other than Kim Flint himself! The fine print: Saturday, November 22, 2003 3150 Adeline St., Oakland, CA $10 suggested donation The schedule: 4:00 PM clinic - come with your questions about looping, and we'll try to answer them (or at least pretend like we know what we're talking about.) The general plan is to focus on dual-EDP concepts like brothersync, realign, and the like... but these sorts of events are always left open to the spur of the moment, so we'll try and address whatever people there want to know about. 6:00 PM - break for dinner and general hang time. 8:00 PM - the "formal" gig gets underway, with solo and duo performances by Jon and myself. Note that this schedule will probably be a bit on the flexible side, particularly as far as the clinic and dinner break times... --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 00:07:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAD54lb26131; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 00:04:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 00:04:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031109084136.0079c100@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 08:41:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: Oakland Clinic/Gig Spam: Jon Wagner and Andre LaFosse In-Reply-To: <3FB30692.481AD8DF@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ya mean duel EDPs or Dueling EDPs?! lol! Has anyone actually ever tried bluegrass on an EDP? -or how about an EDP on bluegrass?!!! -Maybe they could make one that works on something other than electricity. lol! -or maybe I should say instead. Have a wonderful gig!, -wish I could be there... Smiles, Cara --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Wed. 11.05.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 00:12:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAD5BLk27190; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 00:11:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 00:11:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Looping Bluegrass Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:11:16 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20031109084136.0079c100@pop.earthlink.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Works well--it's very AABB . . . Gary -----Original Message----- From: Cara Quinn [mailto:thefates@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 7:42 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Oakland Clinic/Gig Spam: Jon Wagner and Andre LaFosse Ya mean duel EDPs or Dueling EDPs?! lol! Has anyone actually ever tried bluegrass on an EDP? -or how about an EDP on bluegrass?!!! -Maybe they could make one that works on something other than electricity. lol! -or maybe I should say instead. Have a wonderful gig!, -wish I could be there... Smiles, Cara From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 00:24:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAD5NEY28814; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 00:23:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 00:23:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031109090118.00792880@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 09:01:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: Looping Bluegrass In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.20031109084136.0079c100@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <-P2zV.A.ICH.CVxs_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com lol! I thought it was G C D mostly... lollollol! C-Quinn At 09:11 PM 11/12/03 -0800, you wrote: >Works well--it's very AABB . . . >Gary > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Cara Quinn [mailto:thefates@earthlink.net] >Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 7:42 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Oakland Clinic/Gig Spam: Jon Wagner and Andre LaFosse > > > Ya mean duel EDPs or Dueling EDPs?! lol! Has anyone actually >ever tried bluegrass on an EDP? -or how about an EDP on bluegrass?!!! >-Maybe they could make one that works on something other than electricity. >lol! -or maybe I should say instead. > Have a wonderful gig!, -wish I could be there... > >Smiles, > >Cara > > > > > > --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Wed. 11.05.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 02:34:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAD7WAo16633; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 02:32:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 02:32:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20031112233513.02aaa8c8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 23:37:14 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Cassette looping doc online In-Reply-To: <3FB1847B.5090909@mhorse.com> References: <12a.34a5e7d4.2ce299d4@aol.com> <12a.34a5e7d4.2ce299d4@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <0WpMgC.A.xDE.6Nzs_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey Daryl- that's a great article. I'd like to put it on the LD website. Is that ok? Far more people will see it there then just putting it on the list. Let me know if there are any edits you want to do first. kim At 04:53 PM 11/11/2003, Daryl wrote: >Well, I found some time this afternoon, and I put together some thoughts >and pointers regarding the use of a cassette four-track for looping. >Please let me know if there's anything that needs clarification, or if >anyone has other ideas for things that could be added. Perhaps this could >be useful for the loopers-delight website, once it's cleaned up. > >http://www.mhorse.com/Analog/cassette_looping.htm > >Hopefully I'll have some sound samples, and maybe photos, sometime this week. > >Daryl Shawn >highhorse@mhorse.com ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 05:17:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hADAEka13900; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 05:14:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 05:14:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031113101440.66643.qmail@web40502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 02:14:40 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Foot Controllers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Gary, i had a PMC 10 and i sold it here in europe because it ewas very unstable and all of my patches got erased about 3 times!Its ashame because i really liked it the behringer is a reliable animal but i can only configure it to send ccs and note ons to 2 units which makes it a pain because i have 2 loopers plus preams and fxs processors.I would practically need a second foot controller which i want to stay away from... How reliable is your pmc10? If you come across one let me know i would maybe be willing to gine another one a try.. Louie --- Relay wrote: > Louie Angulo wrote: > > Hey Gary are you using the lake buttler by any > chance? > can you scroll through loops back and forth with it? > cheers > Louie > > ------>Hey Louie--I am using the PMC-10, a very > similar unit no longer made > by Digitech. I had a Lake Butler Mitigator and sold > it to a deserving soul > on this list about 8 months ago. Both units can > send the full spectrum of > MIDI information, so they can call up any loop at > any time (as well as > almost anything in the MIDI spec) but I like the PMC > better because it has 9 > patches per bank instead of 5, 500 patches possible, > 100 banks, and 5 sets > instead of 3, as well as supporting 2 CC pedals > instead of 1--also Digitech > is still in business and services the unit, whereas > Emmett Bradford, the > Lake Butler guy, no longer wants to support his > products. > The Behringer sound like a great bang for the buck, > but I am glad I don't > have to try to program that one--also, the PMC has a > software editor for the > PC written by list member Sean Echevarria that makes > using the PMC a theta > wave generating experience (satori anyone?) . . . > Gary > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 05:23:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hADAKa915422; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 05:20:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 05:20:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031113102030.67475.qmail@web40502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 02:20:30 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: loops in German radio To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Michael, Schade das ich am Bodensee so weit bin aber Gott sei Dank gibt es DRS Schweizer radio! Grüß Louie --- Michael Peters wrote: > German listeners, there will be a feature on loops > in electronic music on > WDR3. The date is: next wednesday (Nov 19) at 23:05 > p.m. > > Bjoern Gottstein, specialist for electronic music, > plays pieces by Christian > Fennesz, Terry Riley, Bernhard Lang, Christian > Marclay, and Ekkehard Ehlers. > I'm sure it'll be interesting. > > http://www.wdr.de/radio/wdr3/sendung.phtml?sendung=WDR+3+open%3A+Studio+Elek > tronische+Musi > > (be sure that this URL is in one line) > > > = michael peters > = www.michaelpeters.de > = computer graphics + electronic music > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 05:37:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hADAZBB17944; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 05:35:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 05:35:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <15d.277a0b6b.2ce4b854@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 05:35:00 EST Subject: dani EDP question3 2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > 3.reverse/multiply: sometimes, after a minute or so of repeatedly flicking > REVERSE/FORWARD as fast as possible (sometimes interjecting stutter w/ NEXT > LOOP) the echoplex starts creating unpredictable versions of my loop or all > together silencing (and then sometimes bringing the original loop back again) > . one time i was doing this repeated flicking and then hit the multiply and > my loop got shorter and shorter until it was just digital distortion. it > was amazing. a little surprised, and a little worried that it was > potentially harmful to my echoplex. anybody w/ common or comparable > experiences? thanks, dani oore yes, it does that sometimes when you use reverse and retrigger together a lot. Plays through the entire contents of the memory. Won't hurt your EDP to do this. 2) if the footswitches are a bit dirty, you might simulate a "param" press due to a slightly bad connection. 1) Boss FV-50L a is recommended feedback pedal, but try any volume pedal if you have one. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 09:51:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hADElNW29694; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:47:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:47:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20031112233513.02aaa8c8@loopers-delight.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20031112233513.02aaa8c8@loopers-delight.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:47:20 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: Re: Cassette looping doc online Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com daryl-i read through your article last night and this morn, and i thought it was a great article (and well written too!). i will reread to see if there were any proofs that i may have missed, but i didn't see too much. a very informative article and i think you really covered about everything that i could think of (and i think you dove in farther than i've explored!). i do think the potential is unlimited, and a cheap option for those on a budget! s--- >hey Daryl- >that's a great article. I'd like to put it on the LD website. Is >that ok? Far more people will see it there then just putting it on >the list. Let me know if there are any edits you want to do first. >kim > >At 04:53 PM 11/11/2003, Daryl wrote: > >>Well, I found some time this afternoon, and I put together some >>thoughts and pointers regarding the use of a cassette four-track >>for looping. >>Please let me know if there's anything that needs clarification, or >>if anyone has other ideas for things that could be added. Perhaps >>this could be useful for the loopers-delight website, once it's >>cleaned up. >> >>http://www.mhorse.com/Analog/cassette_looping.htm >> >>Hopefully I'll have some sound samples, and maybe photos, sometime this week. >> -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 11:15:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hADG7OG16894; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:07:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:07:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Unstable Foot Controllers Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:07:14 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20031113101440.66643.qmail@web40502.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The PMC 10 can be very tempermental but I haven't had any problems with either of mine for quite some time . . . How reliable is the pmc10? When it works, as reliable as your aim, i.e., you have to step on the switches--I like it better with no shoes but never perform that way. I say, if it's good enough for Claude, Kim and Andre, give it another try. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 11:37:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hADGXsw22322; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:33:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:33:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031113163348.17653.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:33:48 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200311131017.hADAHPU14431@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I didn't know that the VG-8 or VG-88 was used as a looper. Are you sure about this? Are there any other questionable "loopers" on this list you've compliled? Stephen > > If you want to correct your data, please email me off-list. At this point, > the general consensus seems to be - if you currently own it, and commonly > use it specifically for looping (vs. simple echo/delay) - it's in your > reponse. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 11:45:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hADGgxN24259; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:42:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:42:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Gig spam: Las Vegas, NV with temperamental PMC 10 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:42:55 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi-- I forgot to say that I am taking mine to Vegas this weekend--performing at Cashman Field as part of a costumed musical entertainment troupe, Jackstraws--and I am going to do at least one "show"--Smith informs me that I need to think in terms of 12 minutes "shows", any of you familiar with the concept?--doing live acoustic improv with just an EDP and the PMC. The event is Friday, Saturday and Sunday--it's a Crafts Festival, and Sue Palmer and Motel Swing with be swapping sets with us--she is Candye Kane's old piano player--San Diego Centric bands . . . Anywho, we will see how the loops fly in that setting--and I am sure that the foot controller with be reliable--it hasn't crashed on me for a long time--just have to treat it with respect (!). Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 11:47:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hADGh1b24298; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:43:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:43:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: questionable "loopers" Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:42:55 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20031113163348.17653.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I didn't know that the VG-8 or VG-88 was used as a looper. Are you sure about this? Are there any other questionable "loopers" on this list you've compliled? Stephen -----> On this subject--I tried doing some stuff with the Kaoss Pad II yesterday, it definitely loops! But no overdub or decay (feedback)--it's a sample player--and the MIDI control is very limited. Gary PS Got a VG-8 and GK-2a but have yet to try them out--more gear than time-- G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 15:14:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hADKAHM04364; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:10:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:10:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FB3E411.6020900@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:05:37 -0800 From: Daryl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cassette looping doc online References: <12a.34a5e7d4.2ce299d4@aol.com> <12a.34a5e7d4.2ce299d4@aol.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20031112233513.02aaa8c8@loopers-delight.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20031112233513.02aaa8c8@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Many thanks to everyone who responded regarding the cassette looping article. Kim, I'd love to have it on LD! I made a few edits thanks to Bernard, Andy and others, and I added a few short notes of my own too. Can you use it as is, or would you prefer unformatted text? I also would like to add sound samples and some photos at some point, if it'd be easier to wait and do it in one fell swoop let me know. thanks again to all...once I've plumbed the depths of the microcassette Dictaphone, I may write an article about that too. Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 16:51:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hADLmns23728; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:48:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:48:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031113214842.50197.qmail@web80311.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:48:42 -0800 (PST) From: Ann and David Bernath Subject: RE: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1413276256-1068760122=:49558" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1413276256-1068760122=:49558 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sorry about the late response, but I use: 2 Line 6 DL4s 1 Digitech RDS 7.6 1 Alesis Wedge 1 Boomerang 1 EDP Thanks! David --0-1413276256-1068760122=:49558 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Sorry about the late response, but I use:
 
2 Line 6 DL4s
1 Digitech RDS 7.6
1 Alesis Wedge
1 Boomerang
1 EDP
 
Thanks!
 
David
--0-1413276256-1068760122=:49558-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 19:21:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAE0GCn00606; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 19:16:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 19:16:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-KS: 0c0c040e0e030e000f0f090e0e040c06 Message-ID: <011601c3aa44$7c00c870$840ffea9@Ngaio> Reply-To: "Andrew Chaikin" From: "Andrew Chaikin" To: References: <032401c3a5c7$f8a2ce40$4b68f93f@BJORK> Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:15:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <16MG-.A.QJ.M7Bt_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Live 3 by Ableton, on a Sony VAIO laptop Controlled by a Behringer FCB1010 foot controller (although I'm looking for a Digitech PMC10). Andrew Chaikin, aka Z-ROX andrew@biggerbread.com (415) 929-8822 http://biggerbread.com | http://z-rox.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 20:19:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAE1IGV09422; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:18:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:18:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003c01c3aa4d$2a97c8e0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <20031113163348.17653.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 19:18:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, in my humble opinion, there are some devices listed as loopers during this survey that are "questionable" re: their ability to actually loop. However, I'm going to wait until tomorrow (when I stop tallying) to propose what to do to narrow down the devices - if I even propose that at all. Also, I don't doubt that people are using the VG-8 (purely an example) to create long delay lines. And really, without starting some never-ending debate, I don't think we can exclude long delay lines from this survey. However, there is something to be said for basic statistics here, and we could eliminate the "outliers" from the data before we compile it. That would involve dropping the low occurances... ie, those that were only listed once or twice across the entire population. More thoughts later. I'm tired! Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "S V G" To: Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 10:33 AM Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE > > I didn't know that the VG-8 or VG-88 was used as a looper. Are you sure about this? Are > there any other questionable "loopers" on this list you've compliled? > > Stephen > > > > > If you want to correct your data, please email me off-list. At this point, > > the general consensus seems to be - if you currently own it, and commonly > > use it specifically for looping (vs. simple echo/delay) - it's in your > > reponse. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 20:38:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAE1a3n22382; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:36:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:36:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 17:35:53 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <003c01c3aa4d$2a97c8e0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 5:18 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE However, there is something to be said for basic statistics here, and we could eliminate the "outliers" from the data before we compile it. That would involve dropping the low occurances... ie, those that were only listed once or twice across the entire population. ----> I think a great example here is the MPX G2--does anyone really use this as their main looper? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 20:48:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAE1hW725202; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:43:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:43:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004901c3aa50$b29f5d40$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 19:43:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <_RQQIB.A.oJG.ENDt_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > However, there is something to be said for basic statistics here, and we > could eliminate the "outliers" from the data before we compile it. That > would involve dropping the low occurances... ie, those that were only listed > once or twice across the entire population. > > ----> I think a great example here is the MPX G2--does anyone really use > this as their main looper? > Gary Careful. That's not what Rick's question really asked. He simply asked what devices people are using to loop. Apparently, 2 people do use the device for looping... One is Steve Lawson, and the other is.... YOU! :) On this thought - one way to handle this might be to drop the outliers (the MPX G2 might meet that definition) from the compilation and summary data, but to leave all of the raw data intact. I'd include a description of how I decided which data to exclude, and the total number of devices/owners affected, as a preamble to the summary data. Other thoughts? Make it quick. Tomorrow is the last day! Dig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 20:48:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAE1jFS25687; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:45:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:45:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004a01c3aa50$ef948720$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <20031113163348.17653.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> <003c01c3aa4d$2a97c8e0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 19:44:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <6kokW.A.ORG.rODt_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The most recent update is here: http://www.mrscox.com/loopers/loopers.htm Last chance to update or modify your data. I close the book on this thing tomorrow at 6PM CST, period, end of story :) Dig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 21:14:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAE2BKl01823; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 21:11:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 21:11:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:11:56 -0800 Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004a01c3aa50$ef948720$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Last chance to update or modify your data. I close the book on this thing > tomorrow at 6PM CST, period, end of story :) > > Dig > sorry- i didnt put down every loop thang i own the 1st time- here is everything: 2 EDP 3 PCM 42 1 DIGITECH PDS 8000 1 JAMMAN 1 REPEATER 1 PARADIS LOOP/DELAY! 1 ELECTRO HARMONIX 16SEC.DDL 1 ZVEX LOFI LOOP JUNKY 1 TAPE ECHOPLEX -- -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 00:16:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAE5Dfb23322; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 00:13:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 00:13:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004601c3aa7e$f16fc0e0$0200a8c0@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 00:14:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 1 EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 00:17:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAE5ETE23629; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 00:14:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 00:14:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:32:21 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <004901c3aa50$b29f5d40$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Apparently, 2 people do use the device for looping... One is Steve Lawson, and the other is.... YOU! :) ---->Which is what I thought, so that's . . . one person actually using the Jamman in it, 'cause I gave up. I use the delays in it for "fake looping" . . . it will sync to the MIDI clock of the Echoplex . . . so maybe that counts . . . Or, actually, sometimes I will start with the long delay line, and then "print" to the EDP--but not much-- OK, enough, I'm gone for the weekend--I look forward to a hundred loop list emails when I return . . . Gary PS Stanitarium has some cool shit! G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 00:19:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAE5HFx24391; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 00:17:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 00:17:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [142.177.138.167] X-Originating-Email: [danioore@hotmail.com] From: "Dani Oore" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 01:17:08 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2003 05:17:09.0145 (UTC) FILETIME=[8D5F1890:01C3AA6E] Resent-Message-ID: <-0s6f.A._8F.bVGt_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 1 edp _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 01:55:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAE6qn816766; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 01:52:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 01:52:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:52:43 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Archive search broken? From: Travis To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <25A372EB-166F-11D8-90A1-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not able to get hits on anything using the LD archive search (including "echoplex"). Is the search function broken? TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 02:08:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAE760u29468; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 02:06:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 02:06:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 08:08:00 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE From: Fabio Pianigiani To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <485F7A66-1671-11D8-8F67-000393D7E036@tin.it> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Resent-Message-ID: <0rNceD.A.RMH.U7Ht_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry about the late response! Boomerang Adrenalinn II Fabio Pianigiani fabio.pianigiani1@tin.it http://www.ifarm.it/pianigiani/it/home2.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 08:13:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAEDBYs28682; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 08:11:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 08:11:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-21.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1068815481!4678868 X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.13; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533C6F@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Line 6 DL4 users Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 13:05:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3AAAF.FFCE3A50" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3AAAF.FFCE3A50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>The power rating from Line6 is overstated (probably so people will buy their PS). I think it's closer to 350ma than the 1200ma printed on the back of the pedal. The DL-4 will operate from a DC power supply with center pin positive.<< if it runs off AC normally, then it won't care which way up the DC is, surely? I think the 9V AC/1200mA is enormously overspecced, given that the thing runs off 6V-worth of batteries. however, I'd make sure you have at least 500mA available for it- even expensive batteries only last about an hour in these things. our guitarist's pedaltrain pedal board drives it quite happily, aswell as a jam-man and about a billion-and-a-half other stomp-boxes. the pedaltrain has a special output that can simulate low battery voltage (it takes all sorts...) aswell as both polarities of DC and several AC outlets, and doesn't even get warm. only shortcoming is that it's a linear psu and you have to buy the right version for whatever is the prevailing mains voltage. we had to buy a step-up from ratshack to make it work in the states. musician's friend appear to be knocking them out for about $170, complete with the natty briefcase. d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3AAAF.FFCE3A50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Line 6 DL4 users

>>The power rating from Line6 is overstated (probab= ly
so people will buy their PS). I think it's closer to
350ma than the 1200ma printed on the back of the
pedal.

The DL-4 will operate from a DC power supply with
center pin positive.<<

if it runs off AC normally, then it won't care which way = up the DC is, surely?
I think the 9V AC/1200mA is enormously overspecced, give= n that the thing runs off 6V-worth of batteries. however, I'd make sure you= have at least 500mA available for it- even expensive batteries only last a= bout an hour in these things.

our guitarist's pedaltrain pedal board drives it quite ha= ppily, aswell as a jam-man and about a billion-and-a-half other stomp-boxes= .

the pedaltrain has a special output that can simulate low= battery voltage (it takes all sorts...) aswell as both polarities of DC an= d several AC outlets, and doesn't even get warm. only shortcoming is that i= t's a linear psu and you have to buy the right version for whatever is the = prevailing mains voltage. we had to buy a step-up from ratshack to make it = work in the states.

musician's friend appear to be knocking them out for abou= t $170, complete with the natty briefcase.

d.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C3AAAF.FFCE3A50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 11:18:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAEGGuE02583; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:16:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:16:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:16:53 -0500 Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003c01c3aa4d$2a97c8e0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think I need to adjust my numbers after having seen reason and logic on the list... If we're talking about 'instruments' that we've used to simulate looping or for loop playback, then these are certainly contenders for my personal list... I also seem to have left off a few things from my list. So those will be coming to you separately doug. But it seems like the exhaustive list is a good thing to peruse, even though 'main loopers' may not be the context for some items. All best and of course in MY humble opinion.. Todd On 11/13/03 8:18 PM, "Doug Cox" wrote: > Yes, in my humble opinion, there are some devices listed as loopers during > this survey that are "questionable" re: their ability to actually loop. > However, I'm going to wait until tomorrow (when I stop tallying) to propose > what to do to narrow down the devices - if I even propose that at all. > > Also, I don't doubt that people are using the VG-8 (purely an example) to > create long delay lines. And really, without starting some never-ending > debate, I don't think we can exclude long delay lines from this survey. > However, there is something to be said for basic statistics here, and we > could eliminate the "outliers" from the data before we compile it. That > would involve dropping the low occurances... ie, those that were only listed > once or twice across the entire population. > > More thoughts later. I'm tired! > > Doug > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "S V G" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 10:33 AM > Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE > > >> >> I didn't know that the VG-8 or VG-88 was used as a looper. Are you > sure about this? Are >> there any other questionable "loopers" on this list you've compliled? >> >> Stephen >> >> >>>> If you want to correct your data, please email me off-list. At this > point, >>> the general consensus seems to be - if you currently own it, and > commonly >>> use it specifically for looping (vs. simple echo/delay) - it's in your >>> reponse. >> >> __________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard >> http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 12:13:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAEHBPi20867; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:11:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:11:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:19:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Better later than never, I use a Repeater as my main looper Two line 6 delay modelers, sometimes in tadem, sometimes not An EDP (borrowed from my bro) A Jamman for light duty and/or acoustic gigs when I don't want to bring mission control I realy want to move toward a software looper like Abelton Live, or Audio Mulch at some point for portability and convenience, but I don't know if I'll miss the shear tactile thrills of my hardware loopers, not to mention the flashing colored lights OOOOH! Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 12:49:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAEHmKb31669; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:48:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:48:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:48:12 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Re: Lake buttler Mitigator question In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20031109002323.007ff750@pop.earthlink.net> References: <3.0.5.32.20031108233358.009ad520@pop.earthlink.net> <20031109114229.72058.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2003 17:48:21.0673 (UTC) FILETIME=[7EB11190:01C3AAD7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Cara,

The MM5 has a single row of 5 switches - the switch on the far right switches through the 16 banks each of which have 4 programmes within them. There are sockets for 2 volume pedals to be assigned to anything. It is simpler in some ways than the FCB but I think allows for greater flexibility in its MIDI implementation.

If you want to know more, ask and I'll telll you what I can - it would probably help me get to know it more too!

Ian.
At 00:23 09/11/2003 -0700, you wrote:
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>=A0 RE: the MM-5, how many pedals does it have on it?, -does it use banks?,
>and how many?, and is it single or double row?=A0
>=A0 I'm personally currently using an FCB-1010 and liking it just fine, but
>wish it was physically smaller, so as to take up less floor space.=A0 I
>usually go between four banks of 10 controls, so am curious how this one
>works.=A0
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 12:51:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAEHkuS31380; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:46:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:46:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002a01c3aad7$60a013e0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:47:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out010.verizon.net from [68.163.216.96] at Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:46:54 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com William - Think of this - you can leave behind you mission control hardware looping rig, and instead bring along some cool lights that are controlled by your new laptop - perhaps even in synch. with your music? David ----- Original Message ----- From: "William R. Walker," To: Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 12:19 PM Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE > Better later than never, > > I use a Repeater as my main looper > Two line 6 delay modelers, sometimes in tadem, sometimes not > An EDP (borrowed from my bro) > A Jamman for light duty and/or acoustic gigs when I don't want to bring > mission control > I realy want to move toward a software looper like Abelton Live, or Audio > Mulch at some point for portability and convenience, but I don't know if > I'll miss the shear tactile thrills of my hardware loopers, not to mention > the flashing colored lights OOOOH! > Bill > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 13:23:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAEIJv908451; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 13:19:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 13:19:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-KS: 0c0c040e0e030e000f0f090e0e040c06 Message-ID: <00a601c3aadb$e1fe6050$840ffea9@Ngaio> Reply-To: "Andrew Chaikin" From: "Andrew Chaikin" To: Subject: Foot Controllers: Ground Control Pro vs. All Access? Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:19:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been doing live looping with Ableton Live 3 on a laptop, controlled by a Behringer FCB1010 foot controller. The FCB has served my purposes quite well, aside from a few bumps in the road (the second expression pedal doesn't seem to work; occasionally I'll hit a switch not hard enough to trigger an event, even though the switch's light turns on; and of course, the programming interface and user's manual seem to have been designed for robots, not humans). But the FCB, with its two expression pedals, is a good 27" long, or so. I'm flying back East for a small tour next week, and I'd like to buy a foot controller that fits in my carry-on suitcase, with the rest of my gear. (I hate checking luggage, and I don't want my foot controller being thrown around by a baggage handler.) - - - - - So, my specifications are: 1) It must have lots of switches (at least 10). 2) It must be no bigger than 19" x 12" or so. 3) It should let me connect an external expression pedal. 4) Ideally, I don't have to make a long- distance call to Lichtenstein for tech support or repairs. - - - - - I have turned up two controllers that fit the bill: the Ground Control Pro and the Rocktron All Access. Any pros or cons on these models that I should know about -- ease of programming, reliability of the switches, manuals, tech support, etc.? Any other controllers out there that I should consider? (The CAE RS-10 looks a little homebrewed, and I worry that the Skrydstrup SC-1 would violate Rule #4 above.) Thanks in advance for your help, Andrew Chaikin, aka Z-ROX andrew@biggerbread.com (415) 929-8822 http://biggerbread.com | http://z-rox.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 14:12:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAEJ7pC23017; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:07:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:07:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <17874106.1068836870227.JavaMail.root@skeeter.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:07:50 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Phil Keaggy in concert Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I saw Phil Keaggy play last night, and that guy's a looping monster. He was playing amplified acoustic, and started off most tunes by quickly building up a grooving "drum" part by tapping and slapping the body of the guitar, often adding a shaker part by waving one over the soundhole, where the internal mic could pick it up. And then, he was off--singing, playing, overdubbing, recovering quicly and gracefully from any mistakes (forgotten lyrics, switching hiccups, whatever). It's a cliche, but he's a one-man band up there. Looper's appeared to be a JamMan and DL4. A highly recommended performance, unless you've got a serious aversion to Christian lyrics and a bit of between song prosyletizing. I remember a thread a few months back about building up a list of essential looping recordings, and his name came up but no-one seemed to be familiar enough with his extensive catalog to highlight the loop-heavy material, but if you're interested I'd suggest Acoustic Sketches, which is all instrumental with oodles of JamMan and liner notes for each tune by Phil detailing tunings, JamMan use, etc. It's from 1996, and he's progressed WAY beyond that now, but it's still a good example. He's also got a new all-guitar album (Freehand) which I haven't had a chance to listen to yet, but I suspect it's also got a bunch of looping since it seems to be a big part of what he's up to now. TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 14:22:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAEJIqH27710; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:18:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:18:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <2295446.1068837529774.JavaMail.root@skeeter.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:18:49 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Line 6 DL4 users RE: Line 6 DL4 users Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A Pedaltrain doesn't include any sort of power supply--it's just an aluminum board with velcro to mount your pedals on, and a briefcase to carry it around in. There are a couple of third-party AC adaptors which will drive it, and a few other pedals, all off of one space on a power strip. Godlyke makes one, as does Visual Sound. I believe they both run about $40 once you get all the connector cables you need. I seem to remember reading that the Line6 pedals all draw about 450mA apiece, but I'm not 100% certain. I am sure that it's much less than the 1200mA that their supply is rated at. I've also gotten 4-6 hours on the DL running it off those lithium batteries. The ones that come with the pedal are the cheapest things imaginable--don't base your performance rating on those things. TravisH >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com >Subject: RE: Line 6 DL4 users >if it runs off AC normally, then it won't care which way up the DC is, surely? >I think the 9V AC/1200mA is enormously overspecced, given that the thing runs off 6V-worth of batteries. however, I'd make >sure you have at least 500mA available for it- even expensive batteries only last about an hour in these things. >our guitarist's pedaltrain pedal board drives it quite happily, aswell as a jam-man and about a billion-and-a-half other stomp->boxes. >the pedaltrain has a special output that can simulate low battery voltage (it takes all sorts...) aswell as both polarities of DC and >several AC outlets, and doesn't even get warm. only shortcoming is that it's a linear psu and you have to buy the right version >for whatever is the prevailing mains voltage. we had to buy a step-up from ratshack to make it work in the states. >musician's friend appear to be knocking them out for about $170, complete with the natty briefcase. >d. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 14:39:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAEJaj502984; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:36:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:36:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20031114113002.01a27b88@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> X-Files: the truth is out there. Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:36:30 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: power adapters (was RE: Line 6 DL4 users) In-Reply-To: <2295446.1068837529774.JavaMail.root@skeeter.psp.pas.earthl ink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Musicians Fiend has the Visual Sound 1 Spot and multiplug cable in a bundle deal for 25 : http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=031114112022067122107139146276/g=home/search/detail/base_pid/151692/ The page says the bundle includes the MP-4 (the old 4 plug model) but I received an MP-5 (the new 5 plug model) cable when my order arrived. The line 6 converter for the 1 spot would be another 2.50 : http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=031114112022067122107139146276/g=guitar/search/detail/base_id/90223 The Visual Sound FAQ page ( http://visualsound.net/FAQpage.html ) says this about Line 6 power requirements: How does the 1 SPOT work with Line 6 modeling pedals? Don't they require AC and use 1200mA of current? Well, it does say "9VAC 1200mA" on the back of the Line 6 pedals, but they don't really use that. That is simply the output rating of the POD adapter which the modeling pedals also use. If you think about it, the Line 6 pedals take batteries, don't they? Batteries are DC, not AC, so the pedals must really run on DC voltage. So how do they work with a 9VAC POD adapter? The modeling pedals have a bridge rectifier at the power input jack which immediately converts AC to DC where the adapter plugs in. And regarding the 1200mA of current the pedals are supposedly using, it's really more in the range of 350mA. That's still more than an average adapter can handle, but the 1 SPOT can handle two Line 6 pedals and have plenty of juice left over for several ordinary stomp boxes. Why Line 6 didn't come out with a separate adapter for the modeling pedals, I don't know, but the 1 SPOT makes an excellent alternative to the bulky single-purpose POD adapter. At 11:18 AM 2003/11/14, Travis Hartnett wrote: >There are a couple of third-party AC adaptors which will drive it, and a few other pedals, all off of one space on a power strip. Godlyke makes one, as does Visual Sound. I believe they both run about $40 once you get all the connector cables you need. I seem to remember reading that the Line6 pedals all draw about 450mA apiece, but I'm not 100% certain. I am sure that it's much less than the 1200mA that their supply is rated at. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 14:44:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAEJgsX05724; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:42:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:42:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004b01c3aae8$facd50c0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20031109004114.007ff240@pop.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Proj Obj again!!! Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:53:31 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cara Quinn" To: Sent: Sunday, 09 November, 2003 2:41 AM Subject: Proj Obj again!!! > Oh, and almost forgot, NO AMBIENCE! WOOHOO! Hey!!!! Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 18:06:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAEN1xm14669; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 18:01:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 18:01:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:03:27 +1000 Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: cameronstreet To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <2C857AF0-1692-11D8-BD0A-0030656ECA5E@optusnet.com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com another Echoplex pro 2x DL4 On Wednesday, November 12, 2003, at 08:39 PM, Woz Mail wrote: > Repeater > Jamman > > -----Original Message----- > From: p koniuto [mailto:peter@RedSunSoundroom.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 3:22 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE > > > > Yet another late response: > > - one Oberheim Echoplex DP (Loop IV, which i love) > - one Electrix Repeater > - one Lexicon JamMan > - one Lexicon Vortex > > All used for looping. All used for things other than looping, > as well. > > -peter koniuto > > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.532 / Virus Database: 326 - Release Date: 10/27/03 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.532 / Virus Database: 326 - Release Date: 10/27/03 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 18:36:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAENXEx24126; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 18:33:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 18:33:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [142.177.138.167] X-Originating-Email: [danioore@hotmail.com] From: "Dani Oore" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: edp -midi foot controller Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 19:33:06 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2003 23:33:07.0656 (UTC) FILETIME=[A87F9480:01C3AB07] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi, thanks Andy Butler for you response to my last questions. Here are my latest QUESTIONS: i cant get my midi foot controller to control (directmidi) my echoplex. do i need to program each midi action, or something? how? both controller and echoplex are set to chnl 1, the source # is 36, and the control source is set to 'note' [i also tried controlsource=cntrl ]. what's wrong?? thanks. dani oore _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 20:43:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAF1fNx31917; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 20:41:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 20:41:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004e01c3ab19$89934cd0$6401a8c0@ws1> From: "Brian Carabee" To: References: <17874106.1068836870227.JavaMail.root@skeeter.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Phil Keaggy in concert Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 20:41:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <350EeB.A.lyH.CRYt_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Travis, I saw Phil last February and he blew me away. I had never heard of looping before as a serious art form and so I expected just a standard concert. I was amazed at the massive walls of sound he created, and right then and there I thought to myself "Hmm...I can do that..."! I waited a while because I knew I'd be leaving my band soon, and then about 3 weeks ago I bought a Boomerang. Simple but effective. I'm having a great time learning how to loop verses & choruses in my acoustic set so I can play solos on top of the chords. I'll have to check out "Freehand". I hadn't heard about that one. Thanks for the report. Brian > I saw Phil Keaggy play last night, and that guy's a looping monster. He was playing amplified acoustic, and started off most tunes by quickly building up a grooving "drum" part by tapping and slapping the body of the guitar, often adding a shaker part by waving one over the soundhole, where the internal mic could pick it up. And then, he was off--singing, playing, overdubbing, recovering quicly and gracefully from any mistakes (forgotten lyrics, switching hiccups, whatever). It's a cliche, but he's a one-man band up there. Looper's appeared to be a JamMan and DL4. A highly recommended performance, unless you've got a serious aversion to Christian lyrics and a bit of between song prosyletizing. > > I remember a thread a few months back about building up a list of essential looping recordings, and his name came up but no-one seemed to be familiar enough with his extensive catalog to highlight the loop-heavy material, but if you're interested I'd suggest Acoustic Sketches, which is all instrumental with oodles of JamMan and liner notes for each tune by Phil detailing tunings, JamMan use, etc. It's from 1996, and he's progressed WAY beyond that now, but it's still a good example. He's also got a new all-guitar album (Freehand) which I haven't had a chance to listen to yet, but I suspect it's also got a bunch of looping since it seems to be a big part of what he's up to now. > > TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 20:46:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAF1jGU00844; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 20:45:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 20:45:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005401c3ab1a$14c09290$6401a8c0@ws1> From: "Brian Carabee" To: Subject: Why use 2 loopers? Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 20:44:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi List, I've been enjoying my Boomerang for a few weeks now, and I'm starting to develop some questions which I hope you don't mind my asking... Exactly why and how does one go about using two seperate looping devices? Maybe someone can explain to me the way they are used together (FWIW, I'm a guitarist). Also, is there a list of great looping recordings out there? I'd like to hear what other people are doing. Thanks! Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 21:06:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAF247V07196; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:04:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:04:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20031114175221.01b1c260@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> X-Files: the truth is out there. Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 18:03:49 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Why use 2 loopers? In-Reply-To: <005401c3ab1a$14c09290$6401a8c0@ws1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This comes up every once and awhile. There is a list at http://www.loopers-delight.com/loopography/Records.html but it needs updating. Many great recordings available from list members: http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_all The LD CDs are great too: http://www.loopers-delight.com/cd1/LDCD1.htm http://www.finleysound.com/loop/ At 05:44 PM 2003/11/14, Brian Carabee wrote: >Also, is there a list of great looping recordings out there? I'd like to >hear what other people are doing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 21:08:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAF26TJ07966; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:06:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:06:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031114185745.009485b0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 18:57:45 -0700 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: Proj Obj again!!! In-Reply-To: <004b01c3aae8$facd50c0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> References: <3.0.5.32.20031109004114.007ff240@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com lol! -was waitin' for somebody to pick that up! Smiles, Cara At 02:53 PM 11/14/03 -0500, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Cara Quinn" >To: >Sent: Sunday, 09 November, 2003 2:41 AM >Subject: Proj Obj again!!! > > > >> Oh, and almost forgot, NO AMBIENCE! WOOHOO! > >Hey!!!! > >Cheers, >Scott M2 > >http://www.dreamSTATE.to >ambientelectronicsoundscapes >http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com > > --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Wed. 11.05.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 21:20:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAF2IkK11467; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:18:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:18:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031114192304.007a0c90@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 19:23:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <4oIeHC.A.CzC.G0Yt_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Woohoo!, Sheer tactile thrills! -we sure do like that! lol! MORE, Bill, MORE!!! lollollol! Smiles, Cara --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Wed. 11.05.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 21:23:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAF2LTb12595; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:21:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:21:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031114192548.009b1e10@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 19:25:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: Lake buttler Mitigator question In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.20031109002323.007ff750@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20031108233358.009ad520@pop.earthlink.net> <20031109114229.72058.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <_QCImB.A.qED.p2Yt_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ian, where did you find it? Thanks for letting us know... Smiles, Cara --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Wed. 11.05.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 21:31:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAF2UbI14794; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:30:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:30:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007501c3ab20$70fc6c40$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 20:30:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ding! Survey over! The final raw data is available here: http://www.mrscox.com/loopers/loopers.htm I'll email Kim and ask him if we can post the PDF of the raw data spreadsheet at Loopers-Delight. Once we work that out, I'll probably remove this file and directory, so if you're reading this in the archives a month from now, the link may be broken! In the next few days, I plan to summarize the data in the same format as the 1997 survey, and lay them side by side for us to compare. A simple summary of the 2003 raw data: The original question, posed by Rick Walker on 11/7/03, was: "Why doesn't everyone send in which loopers they use live (or in the studio) and let's see what the demographic actually is on this list. Let's keep it simple. as a matter of fact I'll start it off with the next post." ... and off we went for 7 days :) There is some indication that people may have responded with echo/delay and other signal processing devices in their rigs that are not used primarily as a looper. The raw data, and this simple summary, include all of the data, without adjustment. 94 people responded 65 unique devices were listed 310 total devices were reported = 3.3 devices per person The top 7 devices, ranked by % of owners listing that device, are: 1) Gibson/Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro = 52% (49 owners, 68 devices) 2) Electrix Repeater = 32% (34 owners, 36 devices) 3) Line6 DL-4 Delay Modeler = 30% (38 owners, 33 devices) 4) Lexicon Jamman = 17% (16 owners, 19 devices) 5) Kaoss Pad I or II = 12% (11 owners, 11 devices) 6) Ableton Live = 12% (11 owners, 11 devices) 7) Boomerang/Boomerang + = 11% (10 owners, 10 devices) Below these 7 devices, % ownership drops to only 2%. 2% ownership (5 or 6 owners, 1 device each) = Akai Headrush, Boss RC-20, Lexicon Vortex, Line6 Echo Pro, Zoom 2100, Lexicon PCM 42, Boss DD-5/DD-6 For devices below 2% ownership, please see the raw data spreadsheet. Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 15 01:30:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAF6RUO11114; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 01:27:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 01:27:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1068877640.3fb5c748d2b10@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 01:27:20 -0500 From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why use 2 loopers? References: <005401c3ab1a$14c09290$6401a8c0@ws1> In-Reply-To: <005401c3ab1a$14c09290$6401a8c0@ws1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 64.40.76.242 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting Brian Carabee : > Exactly why and how does one go about using two seperate looping devices? > Maybe someone can explain to me the way they are used together (FWIW, I'm a > guitarist). Why? well for textural looping it's _vital_ to have multiple loops going on at once, to distract the performer and the listener from being reminded you are indeed using a looping device. for rhythmic looping it's fun too ... but i haven't done rhythmic looping with multiple loopers since a house party in 1998. i had an MC-303 for drum beats, and used one EDP for my bass lines, and my second EDP for my arpeggio or texture parts. that allowed me to move from key to key by first recording a new bass part, then keep the groove up while i build a new textural loop on top. people were gettin down and dancing _to_free_improv_ (yet highly cliched i'm sure) at that show. it was fun. How? i personally use a mixer. the mute-bus from my Mackie goes out to another Mackie, which has the Eventide on _it's_ mute-bus and my two looping delays on aux sends. this way i can re-route the loopers around, through or past the Eventide with considerable effort. for minimal effort a preset-capable matrix mixer would be handy. Bob Fripp uses the Switchblade, but i don't have his kind of money. i'm going to use a Mark Of The Unicorn 828 mkII audio interface ... it's got a matrix mixer in it, and would also function as the audio interface for my computer. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 15 01:44:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAF6hES15311; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 01:43:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 01:43:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20031114224034.01630a30@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 22:42:42 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE In-Reply-To: <007501c3ab20$70fc6c40$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com DL-4 had 28 owners (couldn't figure out how 33 devices were owned by 38 people) At 06:30 PM 03/11/14, Doug Cox wrote: >The top 7 devices, ranked by % of owners listing that device, are: >1) Gibson/Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro = 52% (49 owners, 68 devices) >2) Electrix Repeater = 32% (34 owners, 36 devices) >3) Line6 DL-4 Delay Modeler = 30% (38 owners, 33 devices) >4) Lexicon Jamman = 17% (16 owners, 19 devices) >5) Kaoss Pad I or II = 12% (11 owners, 11 devices) >6) Ableton Live = 12% (11 owners, 11 devices) >7) Boomerang/Boomerang + = 11% (10 owners, 10 devices) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 15 03:06:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAF82ed03049; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 03:02:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 03:02:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c3ab4e$ebca2c40$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <5.2.1.1.0.20031114224034.01630a30@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 03:03:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [68.163.135.166] at Sat, 15 Nov 2003 02:02:38 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's interesting to see how things have changed a bit in 6 years (wow, it's been a while!!!!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Echevarria" To: Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 1:42 AM Subject: Re: THE LOOPING TOOLS I USE > DL-4 had 28 owners (couldn't figure out how 33 devices were owned by 38 people) > > > At 06:30 PM 03/11/14, Doug Cox wrote: > >The top 7 devices, ranked by % of owners listing that device, are: > >1) Gibson/Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro = 52% (49 owners, 68 devices) > >2) Electrix Repeater = 32% (34 owners, 36 devices) > >3) Line6 DL-4 Delay Modeler = 30% (38 owners, 33 devices) > >4) Lexicon Jamman = 17% (16 owners, 19 devices) > >5) Kaoss Pad I or II = 12% (11 owners, 11 devices) > >6) Ableton Live = 12% (11 owners, 11 devices) > >7) Boomerang/Boomerang + = 11% (10 owners, 10 devices) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 15 05:12:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAFABsm03424; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 05:11:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 05:11:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <49.36444f58.2ce755e4@aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 05:11:48 EST Subject: Re: edp -midi foot controller To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 15/11/03 06:33:05 GMT Standard Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > hi, > > thanks Andy Butler for you response to my last questions. Here are my > latest QUESTIONS: > > i cant get my midi foot controller to control (directmidi) my echoplex. do > i need to program each midi action, or something? how? > > both controller and echoplex are set to chnl 1, the source # is 36, and the > control source is set to 'note' [i also tried controlsource=cntrl ]. OK, leave the edp as is. you need to program the FCB1010 to send Note-Ons for each function you want. So you need to look up the correct Note-on nos. in the EDP docs. Then take a deep breath and open the FCB1010 manual. It's easy enough if you just work through step by step, it's just that there's more steps tha you'd expect. If you search the ld archives, there's more detailed instructions. andy butler > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 15 05:16:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAFAEB704086; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 05:14:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 05:14:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <185.231d8af3.2ce7566a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 05:14:02 EST Subject: Re: Foot Controllers: Ground Control Pro vs. All Access? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > The FCB has served my purposes quite well, > aside from a few bumps in the road (the > second expression pedal doesn't seem to > work; probably got some fluff in there, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 15 05:40:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAFAbuY09711; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 05:37:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 05:37:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002c01c3ab64$b3cf1c40$0207a8c0@Stephen> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <005401c3ab1a$14c09290$6401a8c0@ws1> Subject: Re: Why use 2 loopers? Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:39:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Brian Carabee" inquired: > Exactly why and how does one go about using two seperate looping devices? > Maybe someone can explain to me the way they are used together (FWIW, I'm a > guitarist). > > Also, is there a list of great looping recordings out there? I'd like to > hear what other people are doing. I be also guitarist primarily! As the chart will show I've got THREE, the Digitech 7.6 "Time Machine", and a pair of Zoom 2100's. I have the Zoom 2100's on an A/B switch for changing destination of input, with the twin stereo outs to the mixer (Mackie 1202VLZ). The 7.6 is a catch-all attached to the Aux Send/Receive on the Mackie. I use the 7.6 with a pair of Boss footswitches, one opens/closes the loop, the other kills the loop (which is convenient as hell). Of course the 2100's can do that lovely 32-second loop record (though no sound-on-sound in that mode), and a good tape loop simulation in another mode. This enables several different ways of use, providing anything from sparse counterpoints to dense "soundscapes"-style textures between the two, which can then be put into the 7.6 unit as desired. And, no, I don't like to have to change settings on the fly, or in mid-piece, but rather set such up before hand, and then execute. So the "why" of it would, I suppose, be that it's a bit like having more than one palette, as well as primary and final canvasses. Any news about the London Looping thang? Steve Goodman * EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 15 06:29:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAFBQvS22702; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 06:26:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 06:26:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006901c3ab6b$d7d337a0$d520fea9@trucknutz> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" References: <005401c3ab1a$14c09290$6401a8c0@ws1> Subject: Re: Why use 2 loopers? Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:34:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - osiris.24-7dns.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can't answer for anyone else, but for me the two loopers thing is about keep the music mobile... Music is all about tension and release, a concept which goes from the trad understanding of it in terms of harmony, to the notion of expectation and it's fulfillment or confounding and how that provides an experiential tension or release depending on what happens. There are rhythmic tensions, textual tensions, and subtle combinations of them all in terms of phrasing. It's the same reason why very little of my solo stuff is strictly 'in time' - the timing is controlled, but it has a lot of ebb and flow in it in order the allow for a more involved sense of rhythmic tension and release, both within each loop, and between the different loops. So when I juxtapose two loops that are not in time with one another, it means that at any one time, the vertical harmonic and textural experience is 'new' - there's enough that's familiar for people to not feel like it's just random, but the juxtaposition of the material in either loop in a new way give it that feeling of forward motion, even when the same loop is running for a number of minutes... All this stuff was worked on before I got an EDP - back when I had a JamMan and a DL4, and therefor had no feedback control. With the functions in the EDP, it's possible to get things shifting without two units (heck, it's possible with any of the units and some creative thinking, but the archetecture of the EDP is designed for it) - either in an Andre-esque glitchy/replace/sub/multiply/FSU kind of way or in a Matthias Grob fade/evolve/expand/mellowness kind of way. Both of their albums are excellent source material for what to do with an EDP, and both can be got from www.cdbaby.com For my stuff, I'd advice heading over to my site and ordering all four albums, though feel free to start with the MP3s... ;o) Steve www.stevelawson.net (new guestbook/forum here - www.stevelawson.net/interact ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Carabee" To: Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 1:44 AM Subject: Why use 2 loopers? Hi List, I've been enjoying my Boomerang for a few weeks now, and I'm starting to develop some questions which I hope you don't mind my asking... Exactly why and how does one go about using two seperate looping devices? Maybe someone can explain to me the way they are used together (FWIW, I'm a guitarist). Also, is there a list of great looping recordings out there? I'd like to hear what other people are doing. Thanks! Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 15 06:34:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAFBWHe23918; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 06:32:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 06:32:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c3ab6c$1f6646c0$0c68f93f@BJORK> From: "loop.pool" To: References: <200311150630.hAF6UcM11893@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: interpreting the LOOPING TOOLS list and an appreciation Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 03:32:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Doug, Thanks so much for taking the time to tell us a bit more about who we are here. It was a lot of work and it is really interesting to read. L.D. owes you a large debt of gratitude. Now the results: I'm actually a bit surprised that the total numbers are as low as they are. No wonder the people at Line 6 just couldn't be bothered when we asked them to add midi clock syncability to their DL4 (boy that pissed me off one NAMM after the Echo Pro was released without that obvious function). I also know because I have been meeting live loopers coming out of the wazoo lately who are not on Loopers Delight, so there are obviously a lot more statistics to be revealed in time. Which brings me to the subject of my next post (see the next one chronologically on this list) Ciao for now..........Rick Walker Don't worry Doug, lol, I From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 15 06:38:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAFBbPl25470; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 06:37:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 06:37:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002401c3ab6c$d7217e60$0c68f93f@BJORK> From: "loop.pool" To: References: <200311150630.hAF6UcM11893@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: WHERE ARE THE OTHER LOOPERS? Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 03:37:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Who of you on Loopers Delight know of live loopers who are not a part of this community and why have they not joined? Names aren't necessary, just a general feeling. My five suggestions for categories are based on the answers that I've gotten. Feel free to add to the list. a) don't want to b) haven't heard about it c) no time d) uncomfortable joining groups e) no internet connection Don't worry, Doug, there's no need to gather data on this puppy, I'm just really curious about how we can conciously expand our community. Our numbers are so small that preaching to the converted may seem in order..................lol. yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 15 10:07:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAFF5Bo12220; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:05:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:05:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c3ab89$daadd340$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <200311150630.hAF6UcM11893@hemlock.violacea.com> <002401c3ab6c$d7217e60$0c68f93f@BJORK> Subject: Re: WHERE ARE THE OTHER LOOPERS? Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 09:05:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Don't worry, Doug, there's no need to gather data on this puppy, I'm just > really curious about how we can > conciously expand our community. LOL! Don't *you* worry Rick :) I won't be gathering data across posts again for a REAL long time ;) I agree with your comments. It was interesting to only find <100 responses. Kim will tell you that the LD website gets thousands of unique visitors a day, but those don't seem to translate into mailing list subscribers, or if they do, they don't translate into people who respond to surveys. Personally, I know a few loopers here in Houston, and they aren't members of the mailing list. They do know about the LD site and list, but I'd classify them in the "a) don't want to" category. I'm recalling something about "talking about music is like dancing about architecture" :) Dig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 15 10:38:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAFFZqf20101; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:35:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:35:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: RE: Why use 2 loopers? Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 16:37:45 +0100 Message-ID: <000301c3ab8e$6bab73d0$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 In-reply-To: <005401c3ab1a$14c09290$6401a8c0@ws1> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Brian, I'd like to address the "two (or more) separate loopers" question: Let me start by saying that I have several loopers or devices which can loop, which are: Repeater, Headrush, DL4, digitech RDS, Vortex and TC D Two. Now the reasons why one would use more than one looper: (1) Some loopers have specific features which other don't have. The EDP LoopIV has several features no other looper has. But the EDP doesn't have four tracks like the Repeater, and nonvolatile loop storage is a problem. The D2 (which is basically a long (10sec.) delay) has some multitap, ducking, reversal options which you won't get (at least I believe so) with the EDP. Same goes for the Vortex. With the digitech PDS/RDS devices, you can modulate the loop length, getting really weird effects. (2) Sometimes, you need more than the separate tracks the looper offers (4 with the Repeater, 1 with most others). (3) You might want to do the Glass/Riley thing of having two loopers record the same material, then let both run unsynchronized and let them drift apart. (4) You might want/need loops of different lenght going (like a textural loop in the Vortex and a harmonic progression in the Repeater) ... How to use them depends on what you want to do with them. If you want them to do more or less the same, you can MIDI-sync them (if they offer this feature), and also trigger some features with a single foot pedal (many people here use a behringer FCB1010 to control both a Repeater and one (or more) EDPs). You might want to search the archives for comments on these issues. Syncing two EDPs is documented fairly extensively in the manual. Everything else is really application-dependant. Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de Clean Trippin' - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Carabee [mailto:compguy@bestweb.net] > Sent: Samstag, 15. November 2003 02:45 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Why use 2 loopers? > > > Hi List, > > I've been enjoying my Boomerang for a few weeks now, and I'm > starting to > develop some questions which I hope you don't mind my asking... > > Exactly why and how does one go about using two seperate > looping devices? > Maybe someone can explain to me the way they are used > together (FWIW, I'm a > guitarist). > > Also, is there a list of great looping recordings out there? > I'd like to > hear what other people are doing. > > Thanks! > > Brian > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 15 11:58:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAFGv7810867; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 11:57:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 11:57:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <123.27958d74.2ce7b4d8@aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 11:56:56 EST Subject: Re: WHERE ARE THE OTHER LOOPERS? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hAFGv6o10842 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, In a message dated 11/15/03 7:09:32 AM, dougcox@pdq.net writes: >Personally, I know a few loopers here in Houston, and they aren't members >of the mailing list. They do know about the LD site and list, but I'd classify >them in the "a) don't want to" category. I was wondering about this a bit too. I personally know some other "loopers" who's lives are just SO busy they don't want to join even ONE more thing. Just reading the posts I'm interested in consumes a lot of time for me. I can't imagine someone who actually reads every post (forget about responding to 'em). Some folks are just not "joiners." Some folks are too busy MAKING music to wanna stop and "talk shop" about it for any great length of time. Here's a thought . . . I am also aware of something else we have seen occasionally on this list before: Someone who had been totally unaware of other loopers and looping "history" suddenly discovers LD and upon joining tries to tell us all that they invented looping cuz they've been doing it for X years (longer than anyone THEY know of, heheh). It must be a shock to some of these folks to find that the concept is not original with them (nor with any of us here for that matter). They may be laboring away in their small isolated community somewhere with their looping being their one self-perceived claim to fame or "originality." It must take the wind out of their sails a bit to realize there is a bigger looping world out there and they are just one of many, many traveling the same path. I'd bet it's a lot more than some of them would be willing to admit. To join is to acknowledge these facts (ultimately). Human nature is funny that way. I'd bet more than a few of those folks are guitarists too. Heheh. tEd Ū kiLLiAn http://www.mp3.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 15 12:24:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAFHLRM19605; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:21:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:21:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004b01c3ab9e$642f26a0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Mara's Torment + Hypnotech 3 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:32:06 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com * The once mighty MP3.com has finally fallen and will be closing its doors December 2nd. The next two weeks will be your last opportunity to play our Ambient Ping "Station" there, with *lots* of music by Ambient Ping artists. If you have a fast connection click "HiFi Play" in the top cloudy section to get a 128Kb stream. (The mp3s are also available for free download - just give them a fake e-mail address to avoid future spam potential.) http://www.mp3.com/stations/theambientping This weekend is also the *last* chance to buy "DAM" CDs through MP3.com as that resource will be shut down Monday. Albums by many excellent ambient artists may never appear again in other formats, so I'd like to recommend you check out some works by: Numina - http://www.mp3.com/Numina Mara's Torment - http://www.mp3.com/MarasTorment Falling You - http://www.mp3.com/FallingYou and follow their Links to discover other fine artists while you can. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday Nov. 18th - Mara's Torment + Hypnotech 3 and General Chaos Visuals rik maclean of Mara's Torment returns to the PiNG for what looks to be his last show for 2003. Drawing from fever dreams and isolation, he'll be debuting new tracks from a forthcoming release in 2004, along with a few older reworked pieces appropriate for the setting. Lighting will be provided by General Chaos Visuals who have done spectacular work for various AMBiENT PiNG shows in the past. http://www.corpusnet.com/torment http://www.generalchaosvisuals.com Canadian pulsebeat pioneers Hypnotech 3 return for their fourth performance at The Ambient Ping. This time, they bring with them a new piece specifically "composed" for the occasion - a 50-minute ode to mid-70's Tangerine Dream, with all the pulse-sequencing madness you'd ever want. They will also be bringing CDrs of their upcoming live CD "Roswell Wreckage", containing tracks from their last two performances at the club. http://www.soundclick.com/bands/8/hypnotech3.htm Between Sets CD - "with a million tear-stained memories" by black tape for a blue girl ( 2003 - Projekt) A double CD collection of works, split into a Vocal disc and an Instrumental disc - which we'll be featuring. This beautiful ambience includes not only electronics but flute, dulcimer, violin, cello and voice. http://www.projekt.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday Nov. 25th - Tofu the Pug + Spatial Correlation Between Sets CD - "A Storm Of Drones - disc 3" by V/A . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews Since rik is busy preparing for this week's Mara's Torment show and moving the *ping things* website to a new server - we're going to "re-print" this short Numina review from last November, as I know rik is a big fan and Numina is an artist whose main catalog of works has been available through MP3.com only. *ping things* will also have a limited number of some of these works available until the supply runs out. "Trancension 1:Live 2002" by Numina "Trancension 1:Live 2002" is the first installment in a 3 disc collection by Jesse Sola documenting rehearsals for a recent live performance. The first three long form pieces on this disc explore beautifully synthesized darkness, while the last track is subtle tribal ambience sure to delight those of you who appreciate a little beat. Longtime fans of Jesse's work will be swept away by the beauty of this disc, while newcomers to the Numina sound will see why Jesse has become one of the brightest new talents in the ambient genre. For mp3 samples from "Trancension 1:Live 2002", visit http://www.mp3.com/numina rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . * Hamiltonians - Lynn Harrigan, who will be performing her poetry with dreamSTATE at the Ping on December 16th, is reading in Hamilton tonight (Saturday) at the Blue Angel Gallery with cellist Laura Jean McCann, and a performance piece enacted by the Blue Angel Players. Choreographed and directed by Cynthia Hill for the occasion. Complete Info: http://www.lynnharrigan.com And what's happening with Hamilton's weekly Futur:sonic electronic/ambient series? We'll quiz former co-organiser John Merrall, who'll be performing at the Ping this week with Hypnotech 3, and will let you know if the series is still rolling on. http://www.futursonic.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 15 12:29:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAFHRux21590; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:27:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:27:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20031115092711.0165dfa8@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 09:27:41 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: WHERE ARE THE OTHER LOOPERS? In-Reply-To: <001b01c3ab89$daadd340$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> References: <200311150630.hAF6UcM11893@hemlock.violacea.com> <002401c3ab6c$d7217e60$0c68f93f@BJORK> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ha - you should let them know that we rarely talk about music! At 07:05 AM 03/11/15, Doug Cox wrote: >the mailing list. They do know about the LD site and list, but I'd classify >them in the "a) don't want to" category. I'm recalling something about >"talking about music is like dancing about architecture" :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 15 13:02:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAFI0qY32144; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 13:00:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 13:00:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 19:00:45 +0100 Subject: Re: WHERE ARE THE OTHER LOOPERS? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <123.27958d74.2ce7b4d8@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id hAFI0po32113 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 03-11-15 17.56, "ArsOcarina@aol.com" wrote: > Some folks are just not "joiners." Some folks are > too busy MAKING music to wanna stop and "talk shop" about it for any > great length of time. Personally I find it a lot more fun to play with other musicians than to chat with them about the music we are making. And for many years (I was looping on stage in -83 for the first time) I never regarded "looping" any different from just picking up different instruments to play. Imagine a musician using looping devices because he can't find the right band mates - I would guess he wouldn't be a natural LD "joiner" then, since his looping is nothing but an answer to a sad problem he would rather see solved in another way. > Here's a thought . . . > > I am also aware of something else we have seen occasionally on this list > before: Someone who had been totally unaware of other loopers and looping > "history" suddenly discovers LD and upon joining tries to tell us all that > they invented looping cuz they've been doing it for X years (longer than > anyone THEY know of, heheh). > > It must be a shock to some of these folks to find that the concept is > not original with them (nor with any of us here for that matter). They > may be laboring away in their small isolated community somewhere with > their looping being their one self-perceived claim to fame or "originality." > It must take the wind out of their sails a bit to realize there is a bigger > looping world out there and they are just one of many, many traveling > the same path. > > I'd bet it's a lot more than some of them would be willing to admit. To join > is to acknowledge these facts (ultimately). Human nature is funny that > way. I'd bet more than a few of those folks are guitarists too. Heheh. > > tEd Ū kiLLiAn Hmmm... That's really a strange attitude! I can't see why they should not be delighted by finding out that others are also doing the same thing? -- Best wishes Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 15 14:27:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAFJPfI25033; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 14:25:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 14:25:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 14:25:36 EST Subject: B-Klyn gig spam To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey brooklynites... if you're not busy tonight (11/15) go to the NorthSix to hear the Billy Nayer Show. this lovely band has currently no looping content, but is a joyful experience nonetheless. really; awesome: I mean it! best, RA From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 15 16:21:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAFLIRb32538; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 16:18:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 16:18:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005001c3abce$e3feb8c0$0200a8c0@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <200311150630.hAF6UcM11893@hemlock.violacea.com> <002401c3ab6c$d7217e60$0c68f93f@BJORK> <001b01c3ab89$daadd340$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Subject: Re: WHERE ARE THE OTHER LOOPERS? Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 16:19:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I almost didn't reply to the loop equipment poll because I figured it was just creating a bunch of mostly empty mail messages that most people wouldn't care about. Also, because not everyone here has the same definition of "looping" (as evidenced by the fact that some listed their delays, and even samplers and sequencing software as their looping devices) I figured there would be an inevitable slew of emails debating what constitutes a looper and what the definition of looping is. I think it's good that I don't see some of the equipment people listed as looping devices. It means that there is no ideological box around the technology/technique quite yet, despite some peoples' misguided attempts to create one. Once you can define it and put it in a box, then it's dead. Take it to academia and be done with it. Wait for the next wave of innovation to happen and then box it up and take it to academia, too. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Cox" To: Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 8:05 AM Subject: Re: WHERE ARE THE OTHER LOOPERS? > I agree with your comments. It was interesting to only find <100 responses. > Kim will tell you that the LD website gets thousands of unique visitors a > day, but those don't seem to translate into mailing list subscribers, or if > they do, they don't translate into people who respond to surveys. > > Personally, I know a few loopers here in Houston, and they aren't members of > the mailing list. They do know about the LD site and list, but I'd classify > them in the "a) don't want to" category. I'm recalling something about > "talking about music is like dancing about architecture" :) > > Dig > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 16 08:48:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAGDjXi21501; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 08:45:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 08:45:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FB78299.4BC8559@erols.com> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 08:58:49 -0500 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WHERE ARE THE OTHER LOOPERS? References: <200311150630.hAF6UcM11893@hemlock.violacea.com> <002401c3ab6c$d7217e60$0c68f93f@BJORK> <001b01c3ab89$daadd340$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > Personally, I know a few loopers here in Houston, and they aren't members of > the mailing list. They do know about the LD site and list, but I'd classify > them in the "a) don't want to" category. I'm recalling something about > "talking about music is like dancing about architecture" :) > > Dig Funny enough, I wrote a song called "Dancing about Architecture". But it has nothing to do with loopers! John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 16 08:54:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAGDrN723710; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 08:53:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 08:53:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FB7846E.9867EE5C@erols.com> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 09:06:38 -0500 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WHERE ARE THE OTHER LOOPERS? References: <200311150630.hAF6UcM11893@hemlock.violacea.com> <002401c3ab6c$d7217e60$0c68f93f@BJORK> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "loop.pool" wrote: > Who of you on Loopers Delight know of live loopers who are not a part of > this community > and why have they not joined? > > Names aren't necessary, just a general feeling. My five suggestions for > categories are based on the answers > that I've gotten. Feel free to add to the list. > > a) don't want to > b) haven't heard about it > c) no time > d) uncomfortable joining groups > e) no internet connection > > Don't worry, Doug, there's no need to gather data on this puppy, I'm just > really curious about how we can > conciously expand our community. > > Our numbers are so small that preaching to the converted may seem in > order..................lol. > > yours, Rick Walker I've met three other loopers in the north New Jersey area, who are not on the list. I'd put one in the b)haven't heard about it group and the other two in the c)no time group. Although I imagine that those two may be checking out our community more soon. We've become big fans of each other's music, and are starting to develop something of a scene/community in our area. One looper, who came to my last show and also uses an older EDP, remarked that I used the EDP much more comprehensively then he did. He basically uses it just for ambient loops. He had all sorts of questions for what I was doing with certain next loop, and substitute functions. I told him that 90% of what I do is a direct result of things that I've learned from members of this list. His interest in loopers delight certainly seemed to increase at that point. Thanks everybody, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 16 09:46:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAGEiKd06309; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 09:44:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 09:44:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FB7905F.CF77DA32@erols.com> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 09:57:35 -0500 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: 2nd looper options Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, All this talk of people using multiple loopers has really got me thinking again about adding a second looper to my set up(as if I don't bring enough crap to a gig already!) Currently I use an EDP+ in a rack with a mixer to loop my voice, acoustic guitar and lap steel. One EDP meets 90% of my looping needs. However, there are certain things that I'd like to do that I know I need a second looper to do do. I'd like to have a looper to loop just my vocals, that way I can drop out an instrumental loop and let a vocal harmony loop to play by itself ala Howie Day. I'd also like to have two sepreate loop run out of synch with each other. I've recently seen a live looper do this and I love the way that two asynchronous loops sound. Here are my options. Obviously another EDP would be great, however at $799. financially it's not possible at this point. I've looked at the Repeater, and it offers a lot of looping functions that the EDP doesn't and could Midi sync to the EDP, however they are a bit pricey on e-bay, would require another foot controller that I'd have to buy. and the fact that they are discontinued does scare me a bit, and I'm uncomfortable buying used gear. The Echo Pro was a contender for a while, but there seems to be a wealth of issues with it, and I believe that it is also being discontinued. At this point I'm leaning towards the Boss RC-20. It fits my budget, $300 (I also have $200 in SAMASH gift certificates that I can use on it), doesn't require a second footpedal, has ample time, multiple inputs for voice and guitars, and the sound quality is quite good. I'm asking for your opinions on what you think would make a great second looper to the EDP. All suggestions will be considered. Thanks, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 16 10:32:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAGFTGv13985; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:29:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:29:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c3ac56$7a202dc0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <200311150630.hAF6UcM11893@hemlock.violacea.com> <002301c3ab6c$1f6646c0$0c68f93f@BJORK> Subject: Re: interpreting the LOOPING TOOLS list and an appreciation Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:29:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [68.163.216.54] at Sun, 16 Nov 2003 09:29:12 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The thing to remember is that this e-list is very heavily slanted toward the EDP -- as it's known as a resource where the EDP designers regularly contribute and answer questions. As was pointed out by the Boomerang posters - with that tool you just plug in and away you go.I imagine for DL4 users reading about this "expensive" EDP thing is just a tease and unnecessary for them. Placing this question in some fashion on the home page and seeing the results from that would yield somewhat different results. Is that possible? David ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 6:32 AM Subject: interpreting the LOOPING TOOLS list and an appreciation > Dear Doug, > > Thanks so much for taking the time to tell us a bit more about who we are > here. > It was a lot of work and it is really interesting to read. L.D. owes you a > large debt of gratitude. > > > Now the results: I'm actually a bit surprised that the total numbers are > as low as they are. > No wonder the people at Line 6 just couldn't be bothered when we asked them > to add > midi clock syncability to their DL4 (boy that pissed me off one NAMM after > the Echo Pro > was released without that obvious function). > > I also know because I have been meeting live loopers coming out of the wazoo > lately who are not > on Loopers Delight, so there are obviously a lot more statistics to be > revealed in time. > > Which brings me to the subject of my next post (see the next one > chronologically on this list) > > Ciao for now..........Rick Walker > > > Don't worry Doug, lol, I > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 16 11:06:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAGG3qe20431; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:03:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:03:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031116160345.99849.qmail@web40509.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 08:03:45 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: LD Community To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002301c3ab6c$1f6646c0$0c68f93f@BJORK> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think as a community we should also focus on getting the attention of some of the companies who are building devices for us like behringer for example.The FCB1010 is probably the bes Foot controller on the market for the money now and the best thing about it is that it is upgradable.But it certainly could use another upgrade like being able to configure more than one device to send ccs and note ons/off etc... or a toggle light switch status for example.This would make repeater users happy who often work with the track muting function like me! I try to gather a FCB1010 software upgrade wishlist in this community to send to behringer but i got very little response ...how many of us are using the FCB1010? --- "loop.pool" wrote: > Dear Doug, > > Thanks so much for taking the time to tell us a bit > more about who we are > here. > It was a lot of work and it is really interesting to > read. L.D. owes you a > large debt of gratitude. > > > Now the results: I'm actually a bit surprised > that the total numbers are > as low as they are. > No wonder the people at Line 6 just couldn't be > bothered when we asked them > to add > midi clock syncability to their DL4 (boy that pissed > me off one NAMM after > the Echo Pro > was released without that obvious function). > > I also know because I have been meeting live loopers > coming out of the wazoo > lately who are not > on Loopers Delight, so there are obviously a lot > more statistics to be > revealed in time. > > Which brings me to the subject of my next post (see > the next one > chronologically on this list) > > Ciao for now..........Rick Walker > > > Don't worry Doug, lol, I > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 16 11:27:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAGGPou23414; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:25:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:25:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20031116111702.029a3e00@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: taghairm@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:26:22 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: p koniuto Subject: Re: WHERE ARE THE OTHER LOOPERS? In-Reply-To: <3FB7846E.9867EE5C@erols.com> References: <200311150630.hAF6UcM11893@hemlock.violacea.com> <002401c3ab6c$d7217e60$0c68f93f@BJORK> <3FB7846E.9867EE5C@erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know folks who've been on the list in the past, enjoyed it, but bailed simply because the traffic is so high, and they're just not able to remain subscribed w/out committing to reading every post. I know more loopers NOT on L-D than ARE on L-D. I'd say generally they just don't see joining a listserv to talk about one of the myriad things they do. And i do believe there is something to be said for the theory that many artists don't want daily reminders of how many people throughout the world are using techniques similar to their own. I've been here since the list was born, and the number one reason i'm still here is NOT so much to learn more about how folks are using looping. It's because of EVERYTHING ELSE i learn here from you wacky crazy loopists. Okidoke, -peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 16 12:35:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAGHXSC03649; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 12:33:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 12:33:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.31.181.155] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: References: <20031116160345.99849.qmail@web40509.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: FCB1010 wishlist (was: LD Community) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 09:33:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C3AC24.A56E5F60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 09:33:09 -0800 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2003 17:33:19.0103 (UTC) FILETIME=[B98B50F0:01C3AC67] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C3AC24.A56E5F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >I try to gather a FCB1010 software upgrade wishlist in >this community to send to behringer but i got very >little response ...how many of us are using the >FCB1010? I don't use it, but I would consider it if a number of limitations were = eliminated, and perhaps a few features added. Primarily, the two-device = limitation is a non-starter for me. I'd also like it to be able to do = 'sets' like the PMC10 does. Nic ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Louie Angulo=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 8:03 AM Subject: LD Community I think as a community we should also focus on getting the attention of some of the companies who are building devices for us like behringer for example.The FCB1010 is probably the bes Foot controller on the market for the money now and the best thing about it is that it is upgradable.But it certainly could use another upgrade like being able to configure more than one device to send ccs and note ons/off etc... or a toggle light switch status for example.This would make repeater users happy who often work with the track muting function like me! I try to gather a FCB1010 software upgrade wishlist in this community to send to behringer but i got very little response ...how many of us are using the FCB1010? --- "loop.pool" wrote: > Dear Doug, >=20 > Thanks so much for taking the time to tell us a bit > more about who we are > here. > It was a lot of work and it is really interesting to > read. L.D. owes you a > large debt of gratitude. >=20 >=20 > Now the results: I'm actually a bit surprised > that the total numbers are > as low as they are. > No wonder the people at Line 6 just couldn't be > bothered when we asked them > to add > midi clock syncability to their DL4 (boy that pissed > me off one NAMM after > the Echo Pro > was released without that obvious function). >=20 > I also know because I have been meeting live loopers > coming out of the wazoo > lately who are not > on Loopers Delight, so there are obviously a lot > more statistics to be > revealed in time. >=20 > Which brings me to the subject of my next post (see > the next one > chronologically on this list) >=20 > Ciao for now..........Rick Walker >=20 >=20 > Don't worry Doug, lol, I >=20 >=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! 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>I try to gather a FCB1010 software upgrade wishlist = in
>this=20 community to send to behringer but i got very
>little response = ...how many=20 of us are using the
>FCB1010?
I don't use it, but I would consider it if a number of limitations = were=20 eliminated, and perhaps a few features added. Primarily, the two-device=20 limitation is a non-starter for me. I'd also like it to be able to do = 'sets'=20 like the PMC10 does.
 
Nic
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Louie Angulo
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 = 8:03=20 AM
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I think as a community we should also focus on = getting
the=20 attention of some of the companies who are
building devices for us = like=20 behringer for example.The
FCB1010 is probably the bes Foot = controller on=20 the
market for the money now and the best thing about it
is that = it is=20 upgradable.But it certainly could use
another upgrade like being = able to=20 configure more than
one device to send ccs and note ons/off etc... = or=20 a
toggle light switch status for example.This would = make
repeater users=20 happy who often work with the track
muting function like me!
I = try to=20 gather a FCB1010 software upgrade wishlist in
this community to = send to=20 behringer but i got very
little response ...how many of us are = using=20 the
FCB1010?




--- "loop.pool" <rickwalker@looppool.info>= =20 wrote:
> Dear Doug,
>
> Thanks so much for taking = the time=20 to tell us a bit
> more about who we are
> here.
> = It was a=20 lot of work and it is really interesting to
> read.   = L.D.=20 owes you a
> large debt of gratitude.
>
>
> = Now the=20 results:    I'm actually a bit surprised
> that = the total=20 numbers are
> as low as they are.
> No wonder the people = at Line 6=20 just couldn't be
> bothered when we asked them
> to = add
>=20 midi clock syncability to their DL4 (boy that pissed
> me off = one NAMM=20 after
> the Echo Pro
> was released without that obvious=20 function).
>
> I also know because I have been meeting = live=20 loopers
> coming out of the wazoo
> lately who are = not
> on=20 Loopers Delight, so there are obviously a lot
> more statistics = to=20 be
> revealed in time.
>
> Which brings me to the = subject=20 of my next post (see
> the next one
> chronologically on = this=20 list)
>
> Ciao for now..........Rick Walker
> =
>=20
> Don't worry Doug, lol,  I
>
>=20


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------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C3AC24.A56E5F60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 16 13:17:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAGIFdc13306; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:15:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:15:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:18:02 -0500 Subject: Node at Mobius Artrages, Saturday Nov. 22 From: Dan Soltzberg To: ghost 7 / Orange events Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3151833482_1274271_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3151833482_1274271_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit hello all-- It has been quiet lately on the Orange & ghost 7 fronts as Theresa and I attend to other parts of our lives, but I will be performing with Node at the following event on Saturday, November 22, from 10:45-11:00 pm. Node is a revolving group of collaborating musicians playing improvisational music without boundaries. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MOBIUS ARTRAGES! THE LEGENDARY ANNUAL ART PARTY featuring music by The Dresden Dolls, Turkish Queen, Node, God-Sized Hole, Magic Chopping Hummingbird, as well as many local performance, installation and video artists more info: http://world.std.com/~mobius/fall03/ar_03.html Artrages takes place at: 368 Congress St., Boston Saturday, November 22, 2003, 8 pm - 1 am tickets: $15 in advance, $20 at the door schedule: 8:00 - 8:15 - David Miller 8:20 - 8:40 - Andrew Neumann 8:45 - 9:15 - Magic Chopping Hummingbird - Jeff Huckleberry, Vela Phelan 9:20 - 9:45 - God-Sized Hole - David Wildman, Hendrik Gideons, Patrick Bastek 9:50 - 10:05 - Ross Hamlin 10:10 - 10:40 - Turkish Queen - Ajda the Turkish Queen, S.J. Roi 10:45 - 11:30 - Node - Steve MacLean, Ken Field, Will Buchanan, Dan Soltzberg, Jonathan LaMaster, Jed Speare, Jonathan Wobesky, Viktor Lois 11:30 - 11:50 - Jamie McMurray 11:55 - 1:00 - Dresden Dolls - Amanda Palmer, Brian Viglione More info via: MOBIUS Boston's artist-run organization for experimental work in all media 374 Congress St. 6th floor, Boston, MA. 02210 phone 617-542-7416 fax 617-451-2910 www.mobius.org --MS_Mac_OE_3151833482_1274271_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Node at Mobius Artrages, Saturday Nov. 22 hello all--

It has been quiet lately on the Orange & ghost 7 fronts as Theresa and = I attend to other parts of our lives, but I will be performing with <= /FONT>Node= at the following event on Saturday, November 22, from 10:45-11:00 pm.

Node is a = revolving group of collaborating musicians
playing improvisational music without boundaries.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
MOBIUS ARTRAG= ES!

THE LEGENDARY ANNUAL ART PARTY<= BR>


featuring music by Th= e Dresden Dolls, Turkish Queen, Node, God-Sized Hole, Magic Chopping Hum= mingbird, as well as many local performance, installation and video artists =

more info:  &nb= sp; http://world.std.com/~mobius/fall03/ar= _03.html

Artrages takes place at:

368 Congress St., Boston

Saturday, November 22, 2003, 8 pm - 1 am


tickets:

$15 in advance, $20 at the door



schedule:

8:00 - 8:15 - David Miller

8:20 - 8:40 - Andrew Neumann

8:45 - 9:15 - Magic Chopping Hummingbird - Jeff Huckleberry, Vela Phelan
9:20 - 9:45 - God-Sized Hole - David Wildman, Hendrik Gideons, Patrick Bast= ek

9:50 - 10:05 - Ross Hamlin

10:10 - 10:40 - Turkish Queen - Ajda the Turkish Queen,  S.J. Roi

10:45 - 11:30  - Node - Steve MacLean, Ken Field, Will Buchanan, Dan Soltzberg, Jonatha= n LaMaster, Jed Speare, Jonathan Wobesky,  Viktor Lois   

11:30 - 11:50 - Jamie McMurray

11:55 - 1:00 - Dresden Dolls - Amanda Palmer, Brian Viglione


More info via:


MOBIUS
      Boston's artist-run organization for e= xperimental work in all media
          374 Congress S= t. 6th floor, Boston, MA. 02210
          phone 617-542-= 7416 fax 617-451-2910
            &n= bsp; www.mobius.org

--MS_Mac_OE_3151833482_1274271_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 16 16:47:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAGLhvx23901; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:43:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:43:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-517516049 Message-Id: From: John Metzler Subject: Re: Node at Mobius Artrages, Saturday Nov. 22 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:43:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1-517516049 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed What mailing list is this, and how did I get on it? Is this show in =20 Boston? I live in Florida. ---John M. On Nov 16, 2003, at 1:18 PM, Dan Soltzberg wrote: > hello all-- > > It has been quiet lately on the Orange & ghost 7 fronts as Theresa and = =20 > I attend to other parts of our lives, but I will be performing =20 > withNodeat the following event onSaturday, November 22, from =20 > 10:45-11:00 pm. > > Nodeis a revolving group of collaborating musicians > playing improvisational music without boundaries. > = -----------------------------------------------------------------------=20= > - > > MOBIUSARTRAGES! > > > THE LEGENDARY ANNUAL ART PARTY > > > featuring music byThe Dresden Dolls, Turkish Queen, Node, God-Sized =20= > Hole, Magic Chopping Hummingbird, as well as many local performance, =20= > installation and video artists > > moreinfo:=A0=A0=A0http://world.std.com/~mobius/fall03/ar_03.html > > Artragestakes place at: > > > > 368 Congress St., Boston > > > Saturday, November 22, 2003, 8 pm - 1 am > > > > > tickets: > > > $15 in advance, $20 at the door > > > > schedule: > > 8:00 - 8:15 - David Miller > > 8:20 - 8:40 - Andrew Neumann > > 8:45 - 9:15 - Magic Chopping Hummingbird - Jeff Huckleberry, Vela =20 > Phelan > > 9:20 - 9:45 - God-Sized Hole - David Wildman, Hendrik Gideons, Patrick = =20 > Bastek > > 9:50 - 10:05 - Ross Hamlin > > 10:10 - 10:40 - Turkish Queen - Ajda the Turkish Queen, =A0S.J. Roi > > 10:45 - 11:30 =A0- Node -Steve MacLean, Ken Field, Will Buchanan, Dan =20= > Soltzberg, Jonathan LaMaster, Jed Speare, Jonathan Wobesky, =A0Viktor =20= > Lois =A0=A0 > > 11:30 - 11:50 - Jamie McMurray > > 11:55 - 1:00 - Dresden Dolls - Amanda Palmer, Brian Viglione > > > > > More info via: > > > > > MOBIUS > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Boston's artist-run organization for experimental = work in all =20 > media > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0374 Congress St. 6th floor, Boston, MA. = 02210 > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0phone 617-542-7416 fax 617-451-2910 > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0www.mobius.org > > > --Apple-Mail-1-517516049 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 What mailing list is this, and how did I get on it? Is this show in Boston? I live in Florida. ---John M. On Nov 16, 2003, at 1:18 PM, Dan Soltzberg wrote: = Arial6666,6666,6666hello = all-- = Arial6666,6666,6666It has been quiet lately on the Orange & ghost 7 fronts as Theresa and I attend to other parts of our lives, but I will be performing = with8080,0000,0000Node<= color>6666,6666,6666at the following event = on= 8080,0000,0000Saturday, November 22, from 10:45-11:00 = pm8080,0000,0000. = Arial8080,0000,0000= Node= = Arial6666,6666,6666<= bigger>is a revolving group of collaborating = musicians = Arial6666,6666,6666playing improvisational music without = boundaries. = Arial6666,6666,6666----------------------------------= -------------------------------------- = Arial8080,8080,8080= MOBIUS= 8080,0000,0000AR= TRAGES!6666,= 6666,6666<= bigger> = = Arial6666,6666,6666= THE LEGENDARY ANNUAL ART = PARTY = Arial8080,0000,0000featuring music byThe Dresden Dolls, Turkish Queen, Node, God-Sized Hole, Magic Chopping Hummingbird, as well as many local performance, installation and video artists = Arial6666,6666,6666more8080,0000,0000<= bigger>info:6666,6666,6666=A0=A0=A0http://world.std.com/~mobius/fall03/a= r_03.html = Arial8080,0000,0000Artrages6666,6666,6666takes place = at: Arial368 Congress St., Boston ArialSaturday, November 22, 2003, 8 pm - 1 am = Arial8080,0000,0000tickets: = Arial8080,8080,8080= $15 in advance, $20 at the door = Arial8080,0000,0000schedule:<= /bigger> Arial8080,8080,80808:00 - 8:15 - David Miller Arial8080,8080,80808:20 - 8:40 - Andrew Neumann Arial8080,8080,80808:45 - 9:15 - Magic Chopping Hummingbird - Jeff Huckleberry, Vela = Phelan Arial8080,8080,80809:20 - 9:45 - God-Sized Hole - David Wildman, Hendrik Gideons, Patrick Bastek Arial8080,8080,80809:50 - 10:05 - Ross Hamlin = Arial8080,8080,808010:10 - 10:40 - Turkish Queen - Ajda the Turkish Queen, =A0S.J. = Roi 10:45 - 11:30 =A0- NodeArial -ArialSteve MacLean, Ken Field, Will Buchanan, Dan Soltzberg, Jonathan LaMaster, Jed Speare, Jonathan Wobesky, =A0Viktor Lois =A0=A0 = Arial8080,8080,808011:30 - 11:50 - Jamie McMurray = Arial8080,8080,808011:55 - 1:00 - Dresden Dolls - Amanda Palmer, Brian = Viglione ArialMore info via: =20 MOBIUS =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Boston's artist-run organization for experimental work = in all media =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0374 Congress St. 6th floor, Boston, MA. = 02210=20 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0phone 617-542-7416 fax 617-451-2910 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0www.mobius.org = --Apple-Mail-1-517516049-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 16 17:45:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAGMXm601379; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:33:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:33:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <001701c3ac91$30f67740$7165fe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: References: Subject: Re: Node at Mobius Artrages, Saturday Nov. 22 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 23:30:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C3AC99.90F5AFA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C3AC99.90F5AFA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Node at Mobius Artrages, Saturday Nov. 22I presume this is NOT the band = NODE that was founded by Ed buller and Flood, featuring huge modular = Moogs, is it. Stephen. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dan Soltzberg=20 To: ghost 7 / Orange events=20 Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 7:18 PM Subject: Node at Mobius Artrages, Saturday Nov. 22 hello all-- It has been quiet lately on the Orange & ghost 7 fronts as Theresa and = I attend to other parts of our lives, but I will be performing with Node = at the following event on Saturday, November 22, from 10:45-11:00 pm. Node is a revolving group of collaborating musicians playing improvisational music without boundaries. = ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MOBIUS ARTRAGES!=20 THE LEGENDARY ANNUAL ART PARTY featuring music by The Dresden Dolls, Turkish Queen, Node, God-Sized = Hole, Magic Chopping Hummingbird, as well as many local performance, = installation and video artists=20 more info: http://world.std.com/~mobius/fall03/ar_03.html Artrages takes place at: 368 Congress St., Boston Saturday, November 22, 2003, 8 pm - 1 am tickets: $15 in advance, $20 at the door schedule: 8:00 - 8:15 - David Miller=20 8:20 - 8:40 - Andrew Neumann=20 8:45 - 9:15 - Magic Chopping Hummingbird - Jeff Huckleberry, Vela = Phelan 9:20 - 9:45 - God-Sized Hole - David Wildman, Hendrik Gideons, Patrick = Bastek 9:50 - 10:05 - Ross Hamlin 10:10 - 10:40 - Turkish Queen - Ajda the Turkish Queen, S.J. Roi 10:45 - 11:30 - Node - Steve MacLean, Ken Field, Will Buchanan, Dan = Soltzberg, Jonathan LaMaster, Jed Speare, Jonathan Wobesky, Viktor Lois = =20 11:30 - 11:50 - Jamie McMurray 11:55 - 1:00 - Dresden Dolls - Amanda Palmer, Brian Viglione More info via: MOBIUS Boston's artist-run organization for experimental work in all = media 374 Congress St. 6th floor, Boston, MA. 02210=20 phone 617-542-7416 fax 617-451-2910 www.mobius.org ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C3AC99.90F5AFA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Node at Mobius Artrages, Saturday Nov. 22

I presume this is NOT the band = NODE that was=20 founded by Ed buller and Flood, featuring huge modular Moogs, is=20 it.
 
Stephen.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dan = Soltzberg
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 = 7:18=20 PM
Subject: Node at Mobius = Artrages,=20 Saturday Nov. 22

hello=20 all--

It has been quiet lately on the Orange & ghost 7 = fronts as=20 Theresa and I attend to other parts of our lives, but I will be = performing=20 with Node at the = following event on=20 Saturday, November 22, from = 10:45-11:00=20 pm.

Node is a = revolving group of=20 collaborating musicians
playing improvisational music without=20 = boundaries.
----------------------------------------------------------= --------------

MOBIUS = ARTRAGES!=20

THE LEGENDARY ANNUAL ART PARTY


featuring music by=20 The Dresden Dolls, Turkish Queen, Node, God-Sized Hole, Magic = Chopping=20 Hummingbird, as well as many local performance, installation and video = artists=20

more=20 info:    http://world.std.com/~mobius/fall03/ar_03.html

Artrages takes place=20 at:

368 Congress St., Boston

Saturday, November 22, 2003, 8 pm - 1 am


tickets:

$15 in advance, $20 at the door



schedule:

8:00 - 8:15 - David Miller

8:20 - 8:40 - = Andrew=20 Neumann

8:45 - 9:15 - Magic Chopping Hummingbird - Jeff = Huckleberry,=20 Vela Phelan

9:20 - 9:45 - God-Sized Hole - David Wildman, = Hendrik=20 Gideons, Patrick Bastek

9:50 - 10:05 - Ross Hamlin

10:10 = - 10:40=20 - Turkish Queen - Ajda the Turkish Queen,  S.J.=20 Roi

10:45 - 11:30  - Node -=20 Steve MacLean, Ken Field, Will Buchanan, = Dan=20 Soltzberg, Jonathan LaMaster, Jed Speare, Jonathan Wobesky, =  Viktor Lois=20   

11:30 - 11:50 - Jamie=20 McMurray

11:55 - 1:00 - Dresden Dolls - Amanda Palmer, Brian=20 Viglione


More info via:


MOBIUS
      Boston's=20 artist-run organization for experimental work in all=20 = media
          374 = Congress St. 6th floor, Boston, MA. 02210=20
          phone=20 617-542-7416 fax=20 = 617-451-2910
         &nb= sp;    www.mobius.org

------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C3AC99.90F5AFA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 16 19:22:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAH0JOo25597; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:19:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:19:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20031116191403.029c9c20@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: taghairm@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:19:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: p koniuto Subject: Re: Node at Mobius Artrages, Saturday Nov. 22 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Perhaps Dan should have put BOSTON in the subject line. Thanks for the heads up. But for those in the North American northeast, i can't stress enough how WONDERFUL it is to hear Dan Soltzberg do his Ghost 7 live bass thing! This guy is so exciting to see and hear live! I hope folks can pardon the subject line gig spam location faux pas. If you're in Florida, it MAY just be worth your while to fly up and hear what's happening with one of the most RIVETING live looping performers i've EVER had the priviledge to hear. Ghost 7 is the bomb. I CAN'T WAIT for the next Orange gig.... Keep up the good work, Dan! -peter koniuto >What mailing list is this, and how did I get on it? Is this show in >Boston? I live in Florida. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 16 21:00:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAH1urs12686; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 20:56:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 20:56:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FB82E01.80957221@erols.com> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:10:09 -0500 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Boss RC-20 questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here are some questions for those of you who use the Boss RC-20. Does it use the standard Boss PSA power supply? Can you have sources plugged into the instrument input and the mic input at the same time, or only one at at time? Thanks in advance, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 16 21:41:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAH2aM020859; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:36:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:36:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <198.2293d57c.2ce98e1d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:36:13 EST Subject: Re: Boss RC-20 questions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 11/16/03 5:58:25 PM, jmazzarella@erols.com writes: << Does it use the standard Boss PSA power supply?>> Yes. I use the 120. (200mA) <> Yes same time, I think you could even have a cd player plugged in also, so perhaps anything with an 1/8" jack, maybe a contact mic with an adapter or something. BobC www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier The Thumb Piano Project www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 16 22:24:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAH3JgH32076; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 22:19:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 22:19:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.116.252.10] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WHERE ARE THE OTHER LOOPERS? Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:19:34 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Nov 2003 03:19:34.0713 (UTC) FILETIME=[9FD77290:01C3ACB9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Rick, Yeah, I know about as many loopers on the list as I do off the list. A smattering of reasons they've given me for not being on the list. 1) Never heard of it. There's a list? 2) Don't feel they depend on looping heavily enough to be called a "looper", or don't like those kinds of labels in general. 3) Aren't very interested in discussing gear or looping-related issues 4) Never read their email anyway Feeling a little bit of frustration over our lack of legion right now. Mostly in that I've been trying to get one of my pedals fixed, and none of the 5 places I've been to even have the parts. Not to mention the ratio of loopers to distortion/overdrive devices is something like 1/40. _________________________________________________________________ Frustrated with dial-up? Get high-speed for as low as $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 17 04:16:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAH9Edp10022; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 04:14:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 04:14:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c401c3aceb$3a1c96b0$c468f93f@BJORK> From: "loop.pool" To: References: <200311162147.hAGLlX524669@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: 2nd looper options Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 01:14:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey John, about adding a cheap sampler to your EDP +, unless you want a second looper for longer ambient kinds of things, I highly recommend the DL-4 at $250. I love this device. It is so simple to use and has a lot of options (half, double, backwards, forwards, one time trigger, addition of echoes with modulation and feedback options) not to mention the fact that it is a great echo machine of the past emulator. I use an insert to go from my Mackie 1402VLZ board to my DL4 (well, through a Digitech Vocal300 first) and then back into the board where I use my EDP and my Repeater for resampling possibilities. It also has really good fidelity compared to and even besting some of the more expensive samplers, and it has two ins and two outs (that are not true stereo but still allow one to have to sources feed the machine). I love it John. Try one out if you get a chance. It is limited, unfortunately to 14 seconds of normal bandwidth looping but I use it primarily as either a groove looper or a phrase sampler so that doesn't bug me too much. yours, rick walker (and hey, 90% of my last live cd was done using only 2 of these models.........I got my first Repeater shortly before I put the CD out). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 17 04:54:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAH9rXB19031; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 04:53:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 04:53:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.219.207.21] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WHERE ARE THE OTHER LOOPERS? Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:53:25 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Nov 2003 09:53:27.0139 (UTC) FILETIME=[A5DD7B30:01C3ACF0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Who of you on Loopers Delight know of live loopers who are not a part of >this community >and why have they not joined? The guy who started the whole opening of my mind to the possibilitys of looping is a guy who hangs around in Hull UK alot, playing either on his own or as part of various avant guarde groups. I kind of surgested this comunity to him but i think he was aacctually turned off by the fact that there might be someone other then himself doing such things. indeed I have never acctually played on the same bill as him for this very reason. I think somepeople are into the idea of expanding their own subject knowlage through making links with others working in a similar area, while others are at theeir happiest when they feel they are doing something new and unique. just a thought. Phill _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 17 05:08:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAHA5bd22825; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 05:05:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 05:05:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010d01c3acf2$58bcd7e0$c468f93f@BJORK> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" References: <200311162147.hAGLlX524669@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Why ask these questions? Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 02:05:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jesse Ray Lucas wrote... "Once you can define it and put it in a box, then it's dead. Take it to academia and be done with it. Wait for the next wave of innovation to happen and then box it up and take it to academia, too." ....in response to the recent polls about what looping gear loopers use and I can surely resonate with his fears about the dangers of definitions and boxes. All of my adult life I've been associated with musical pursuits that were either brand new and, hence, have no categories at the record store, let alone academia or were stylistically marginalize with the same results. I've felt that sting of being hemmed in by intellectual boxes and felt the sting of closed minds that prevented me from reaching people that I knew would like what I was doing. At the same time, I've also been very self conciously in a mode of trying to promote live looping with a lot of my work and I wanted to say a couple of things about where I'm coming from to perhaps allay the fears of people who are wary of that approach in this community: One of the things that I"ve noticed is that when communities become bigger that they incorporate much more diversity. Even with everyone on this list, we are a pretty small community. I think it would be great for our community if it expanded it's numbers............more creativity, more knowledge, more diversity. One of the things that I have loved so far about the big festivals that we have had so far is that I have never encountered a group of musicians (in the dozen or so musical communities that I"ve actively been part of in my life) that are so non-judgemental about each other and accepting and supporting of each person's attempts to be uniquely creative with there use of the looping machines. Their behaviour completely belies the "put things in a box to reduce them" mentality. If anything, the reverse is true. I believe that the Y2K3 loopers really celebrated differences and had no desires to pin people down either with style or with hardware. This year it was stunning and very gratifying to me that Wayne Jackson made his own proprietary software to loop his circuit bent toy instruments and that Joe Balestrini came up with a novel way to use Ableton's Live in realtime performance for his multi-instrumentalism................that John Whooley had two DL-4 set up like holsters on his side like some zen looping clown cowboy , using only his mouth as an intrument as he went out on a long chord into the audience wowing people with his really idiosyncratic musical vision........ There was just a tremendous amount of stylistic and musical diversity and an incredibly large number of different looping devices and strategies being employed. It was exhilirating for me to watch and be part of it and I only wish that you could have participated here yourself. To me, Jesse, knowledge is a positive thing and knowing about who we are gives us clues to what potential we can have and where we can go. That's my intention in asking these questions. I have never intended to reduce us by categorizing us, but rather to expand all of our minds to who we are in the strong hopes that we will all expand to what we can become. Mine is an additive intention and never a subractive intention. I trust that you can respect that sentiment. yours, respectfully, rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 17 05:10:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAHA9BD23615; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 05:09:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 05:09:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.219.207.21] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Echoplex Input issues.(i think) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:09:04 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Nov 2003 10:09:05.0058 (UTC) FILETIME=[D4E89020:01C3ACF2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all Those who have been following my rather shakey first foray into the EDP owning world will know by now that ive been having a few problems, well this weekend Ive had no stutters , resets or distorted signals, I have however found a new problem. I was trying to record a ebow loop which fades in from nothing when i noticed that on the recorded loop the ebow comes in suddenly and with a distinct beginning (as opposed to a pure fade in from 0) the same also happens on the fade out. I began to investegate further: I recorded a loop with about 2 seconds of silence before bringing in (alternate tests) either a guitar volume fade up or an ebowed note. I held the note for 4sec and faded out to complete silence before defining the loop. Same result. Is this the "limiter" i have heard mentioned kicking in? is there a way around it? are there Input/outpt setings that could correct it?(am currantly set 12 oclock both settings which is fine for chords etc. Im not using any form of limiting and I do get a "pure" fade up on the direct signal (and indeed on my DL-4 loops) HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I guess if it is a "nature of the beast" thing I can live with is to a point (at least its not deffective), but im beginnging to get just a little jaded as the the edps reliability and supposed quality that made it the one item that i thought i really needed for my looping. Yours Hopefully Phill _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 17 05:23:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAHAMa326190; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 05:22:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 05:22:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c3acf5$30808580$d520fea9@trucknutz> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: WHERE ARE THE OTHER LOOPERS? Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:25:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - osiris.24-7dns.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think there are a heck of a lot of people who would sign up here, see all the bickering and nonsense, and unsub due to the massively high sig/noise ratio that occurs at times on the list. Very few people I know have the time to read and process all the stuff that goes on on here - I certainly don't! :o) I read less and less of the posts here, just scanning the headers for something of interest. I also think that a lot of musicians are just too into making music to bother discussing it endlessly online. I'm sure there are players whose approach to learning about a form is to read product reviews, listen to some artists, then just futz around with the gear until they get a vibe, rather than come here and ask questions about the nature of looping. Or they'll ask them to specific players who are lurking elsewhere on the net. A lot of the people who use looping that I know are using DL4s and Headrushes and RC-20s for some pretty basic functions, so the notion of a loop list is kind of a like 'Chorus Delight' or 'Tremelo Delight' to them - it just doesn't get under the radar. I stick around cos I've made some cool friends here, and by scanning the headers I get the occasional bit of interesting info. but I certainly don't look to LD for much in the way of changing my thinking about music or looping. If I want EDP tips I'll go to 'Dre's outstanding tutorial, and anything else I can work out. I could get more happening in terms of conceptual looping approaches by spending an hour toying with the G2, putting the looper between different kinds of effects than I could by rummaging through the archives searching for 'new loop ideas'... It's just a function of the net - some people gravitate towards cyber-community, others don't. No biggie... :o) Steve www.stevelawson.net (new guestbook/forum here, live looping video, MP3s, etc. etc.) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 17 06:39:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAHBb1g10391; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 06:37:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 06:37:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: Test Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 03:37:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01C3ACBC.11A3EA50" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcOs/x3h+PL8q0uLTWqexsEBdfhJoQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C3ACBC.11A3EA50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C3ACBC.11A3EA50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C3ACBC.11A3EA50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 17 07:05:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAHC4Ju16891; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 07:04:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 07:04:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FB889F5.9080509@accord.it> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:42:29 +0500 From: cristian cascetta User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686; en-US; 0.7) Gecko/20010316 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Help about setting up a computer-based rig Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_Rnd5C.A.yHE.DlLu_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello loopers, I got a bit tired of the limitations of my Akay Headrush (don't ask me why I did't participate to the survey, as I've been far from my computer for two weeks), but I've a very limited budget. As my girlfriend just bought a used IBM Thinkpad, I'd like to try some computer-based looping, I'd like to set-up a system I could use live, but my main interest now is experimenting at home. As a musician I'm not a real computer fan, but as a computer worker, I think I could apply a bit of my informatics experience. I'd like to buy some flexible gear I could upgrade if I like later. In my basic idea, I'd like to buy - a usb audio capture device: M-audio Audiophile - a Midi footcontroller: maybe the Behringer everybody's talking about Apart my basses and various effects, I'll try to connect theese devices I own: - a behringer mixer - a Zoom RT-123 drum machine (with only Midi-In) - my girlfriend's Yamaha P-80 piano (with midi in, out and thru) I'd like to receive your opinions and suggestions about this gear, Midi connections, and first of all, about the software I could use. I'm either a Windows user and a Linux user, but I'd prefer setting up a Windows based system. Thanks and sorry for my bad English cristian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 17 07:47:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAHCjM022994; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 07:45:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 07:45:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-2.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1069073117!4719926 X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.13; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533C79@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: power adapters (was RE: Line 6 DL4 users) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:39:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3AD07.D5FC3D80" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3AD07.D5FC3D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" yikes! I stand corrected re the pedaltrain. I made a rash assumption based on my guitarist having bought the whole thing on his own with no technical advice, and the fact that his pedaltrain board and psu appear to be related... mea culpa, and apologies if I got anyone else's hopes up. >>Why Line 6 didn't come out with a separate adapter for the modeling pedals, I don't know, but the 1 SPOT makes an excellent alternative to the bulky single-purpose POD adapter.<< the psu's I bought for my line6 pedals are the same as the pod psu, and were relatively expensive. maybe other dl4 users can spare themselves this unecessary expense now. the line6 expression pedal is also marked-up; I use an ordinary volume pedal with the tip & ring connections reversed in the jack-plug. on another topic, I have been having quite a lot of fun with the dod dimension-12 box that I was the sole bidder for on e-bay recently. the sampler mode is rubbish and doesn't do what the manual says it should; I can't make it play more than one sample at a time and the editing options are absolutely pants. the delay mode, however, is somewhere between what the dl4 does and what a jam-man does, and I am going to fit some sort of midi-clock interface to the tap-tempo to make it even more fun (and if I succeed, the same approach could be taken with a slightly-modified dl4 pedal). when I have a bit of time, I will write another review of it for the site. d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3AD07.D5FC3D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: power adapters (was RE: Line 6 DL4 users)

yikes! I stand corrected re the pedaltrain. I made a rash= assumption based on my guitarist having bought the whole thing on his own = with no technical advice, and the fact that his pedaltrain board and psu ap= pear to be related... mea culpa, and apologies if I got anyone else's hopes= up.

>>Why Line 6 didn't come out with a separate adapte= r for the modeling pedals, I don't know, but the 1 SPOT makes an excellent = alternative to the bulky single-purpose POD adapter.<<

the psu's I bought for my line6 pedals are the same as th= e pod psu, and were relatively expensive. maybe other dl4 users can spare t= hemselves this unecessary expense now. the line6 expression pedal is also m= arked-up; I use an ordinary volume pedal with the tip & ring connection= s reversed in the jack-plug.

on another topic, I have been having quite a lot of fun w= ith the dod dimension-12 box that I was the sole bidder for on e-bay recent= ly.

the sampler mode is rubbish and doesn't do what the manua= l says it should; I can't make it play more than one sample at a time and t= he editing options are absolutely pants.

the delay mode, however, is somewhere between what the dl= 4 does and what a jam-man does, and I am going to fit some sort of midi-clo= ck interface to the tap-tempo to make it even more fun (and if I succeed, t= he same approach could be taken with a slightly-modified dl4 pedal).=

when I have a bit of time, I will write another review of= it for the site.

d.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C3AD07.D5FC3D80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 17 08:32:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAHDT2E01611; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 08:29:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 08:29:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:28:55 +0100 Subject: Re: Help about setting up a computer-based rig From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3FB889F5.9080509@accord.it> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 03-11-17 09.42, "cristian cascetta" wrote: Hi Cristian, > As my girlfriend just bought a used IBM Thinkpad, I'd like to try some That one seems to be a good choice for laptop. At least "as good as a laptop can be" for looping ;-) Your post doesn't say what you are going to record or loop but if you're idea is to record audio you can have a lot of fun with the Ableton Live software. But you should know that you can not do looping by layering many takes by sound-on-sound on top of the same loop. For that you you have to look into hardware (I recall there are some odd software solutions though... Check for this at the list archives). > - a usb audio capture device: M-audio Audiophile I'm using the Audiophile USB with a ThinkPad. Have been doing gigs with it and it's a fine set-up as long as you are not monitoring/playing directly through the software, as the latency in USB audio is too big. My own solution to this problem is to split my instrument signal and run one direct line into the house PA and another line into the USB/laptop. I think you should also take a look at the Audiophile Quattro. Think about what you want to do and maybe this device will serve you better? http://www.m-audio.com/products/m-audio/quattro.php > - a Midi footcontroller: maybe the Behringer everybody's talking about Good choice! I guess I'm one of those "who talk about the Behringer". I'm very satisfied with my FC1010. > - a behringer mixer Got one of those as well. But I stopped using it since I hate the sound of it. It's small, cute and well designed, though ;-) > - a Zoom RT-123 drum machine (with only Midi-In) My Grovebox does'n have a midi though so I put it last in the midi chain. > - my girlfriend's Yamaha P-80 piano (with midi in, out and thru) Got one of those too... But don't know about that piano ;-) -- Best wishes Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 17 09:37:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAHEZFr17717; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:35:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:35:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031117143509.58841.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 06:35:09 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Help about setting up a computer-based rig To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Per, What are you using instead of a mixer now? --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 03-11-17 09.42, "cristian cascetta" > wrote: > > Hi Cristian, > > > As my girlfriend just bought a used IBM Thinkpad, > I'd like to try some > > That one seems to be a good choice for laptop. At > least "as good as a laptop > can be" for looping ;-) > > Your post doesn't say what you are going to record > or loop but if you're > idea is to record audio you can have a lot of fun > with the Ableton Live > software. But you should know that you can not do > looping by layering many > takes by sound-on-sound on top of the same loop. For > that you you have to > look into hardware (I recall there are some odd > software solutions though... > Check for this at the list archives). > > > > - a usb audio capture device: M-audio Audiophile > > I'm using the Audiophile USB with a ThinkPad. Have > been doing gigs with it > and it's a fine set-up as long as you are not > monitoring/playing directly > through the software, as the latency in USB audio is > too big. My own > solution to this problem is to split my instrument > signal and run one direct > line into the house PA and another line into the > USB/laptop. > > I think you should also take a look at the > Audiophile Quattro. Think about > what you want to do and maybe this device will serve > you better? > http://www.m-audio.com/products/m-audio/quattro.php > > > - a Midi footcontroller: maybe the Behringer > everybody's talking about > > Good choice! I guess I'm one of those "who talk > about the Behringer". I'm > very satisfied with my FC1010. > > > - a behringer mixer > > Got one of those as well. But I stopped using it > since I hate the sound of > it. It's small, cute and well designed, though ;-) > > > - a Zoom RT-123 drum machine (with only Midi-In) > My Grovebox does'n have a midi though so I put it > last in the midi chain. > > > - my girlfriend's Yamaha P-80 piano (with midi in, > out and thru) > Got one of those too... But don't know about that > piano ;-) > > > -- > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.looproom.com > > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 17 09:47:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAHEjsN20392; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:45:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:45:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031117144548.4391.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 06:45:48 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Echoplex Input issues.(i think) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Phill, this is also one of the issues ive had with the EDP for building soundscapes i think the repeater does here a better job although ive found a way around the EDP as well;Set the inputMode loop/delay to in and use a volume pedal this seems to be a bit more dynamic for this purpose... Louie --- lol c wrote: > > Hi all > > Those who have been following my rather shakey first > foray into the EDP > owning world will know by now that ive been having a > few problems, well this > weekend Ive had no stutters , resets or distorted > signals, I have however > found a new problem. > > I was trying to record a ebow loop which fades in > from nothing when i > noticed that on the recorded loop the ebow comes in > suddenly and with a > distinct beginning (as opposed to a pure fade in > from 0) the same also > happens on the fade out. > > I began to investegate further: > > I recorded a loop with about 2 seconds of silence > before bringing in > (alternate tests) either a guitar volume fade up or > an ebowed note. I held > the note for 4sec and faded out to complete silence > before defining the > loop. > > Same result. > > Is this the "limiter" i have heard mentioned kicking > in? is there a way > around it? are there Input/outpt setings that could > correct it?(am currantly > set 12 oclock both settings which is fine for chords > etc. > > Im not using any form of limiting and I do get a > "pure" fade up on the > direct signal (and indeed on my DL-4 loops) > > > HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > I guess if it is a "nature of the beast" thing I > can live with is to a > point (at least its not deffective), but im > beginnging to get just a little > jaded as the the edps reliability and supposed > quality that made it the one > item that i thought i really needed for my looping. > > Yours Hopefully > > Phill > > _________________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! > http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 17 09:49:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hAHEkk720543; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:46:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:46:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FB8B00A.7010205@accord.it> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:24:58 +0500 From: cristian cascetta User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686; en-US; 0.7) Gecko/20010316 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Help about setting up a computer-based rig References: Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you for the reply!
Your post doesn't say what you are going to record or loop
My idea is trying to set up pc based looper, in order to understand the advanced techinques of looping (what I can't do with my little headrush). I'm not looking for the most hi-fi or the most stable system to be used in a live situation, I'd like to have a reliable pc based looping system to use at home and on reharshal.

Obviously, I'll try to use the laptop for basic recording/editing, but I'm mostly interested in live-looping, or better real-time looping. 

    
- a usb audio capture device: M-audio Audiophile

      

I'm using the Audiophile USB with a ThinkPad. Have been doing gigs with it
and it's a fine set-up as long as you are not monitoring/playing directly
through the software, as the latency in USB audio is too big. My own
solution to this problem is to split my instrument signal and run one direct
line into the house PA and another line into the USB/laptop.

      

      

Sorry but I didn't understand very well:  In this case you don't use the
audiophile for looping but for recording and/or sequencing? 

      

If yes, this is not my idea, as I'd like to use it to capture the audio coming
from my basses and effects, looping it via software and sending it to the
PA (or my monitors at home), and eventually sequencing and controlling via
midi my drum machine. If USB latency is the problem, what can I do?
      

I think you should also take a look at the Audiophile Quattro. Think about
what you want to do and maybe this device will serve you better?
http://www.m-audio.com/products/m-audio/quattro.php

        

        

I visited the page, do you think the Quattro is better suited for looping? Especially for the real-time monitoring/playing?
        


          
- a behringer mixer

            

Got one of those as well. But I stopped using it since I hate the sound of
it. It's small, cute and well designed, though ;-)

            

            

I hate the sound too, but for the moment it's well suited for my absolutely not hi-fi needs :-)

            

            

            


              
- a Zoom RT-123 drum machine (with only Midi-In)

                
My Grovebox does'n have a midi though so I put it last in the midi chain.

                

This is the way I supposed to connect the RT-123, last in the midi chain,
but as I'm a midi debutant, I needed a suggestion. Thanks for the confirmation.

                

                

Thanks 

cristian



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--- Steve Lawson  wrote:

> For my stuff, I'd advice heading over to my site and ordering all four
> albums, though feel free to start with the MP3s... ;o)
> 
> Steve
> www.stevelawson.net

I can't recommend these CDs enough. The first three are simply marvelous (I don't
have the new one yet). If you haven't checked Steve's stuff out, do yourself a
favor and do so, it's beautiful.

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--- Doug Cox  wrote:
>   I'm recalling something about
> "talking about music is like dancing about architecture" :)

I love dancing about architecture! I danced a Frank Lloyd Wright just last week.

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--- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote:

> I am also aware of something else we have seen occasionally on this list 
> before: Someone who had been totally unaware of other loopers and looping 
> "history" suddenly discovers LD and upon joining tries to tell us all that 
> they invented looping cuz they've been doing it for X years (longer than 
> anyone THEY know of, heheh).
> 
> It must be a shock to some of these folks to find that the concept is 
> not original with them (nor with any of us here for that matter). They 
> may be laboring away in their small isolated community somewhere with 
> their looping being their one self-perceived claim to fame or "originality." 
> It must take the wind out of their sails a bit to realize there is a bigger 
> looping world out there and they are just one of many, many traveling 
> the same path. 
> 
> I'd bet it's a lot more than some of them would be willing to admit. To join 
> is to acknowledge these facts (ultimately). Human nature is funny that 
> way. I'd bet more than a few of those folks are guitarists too. Heheh.

Yeah. I invented the guitar too, been playing it long before anyone else figured
it out. Then everyone started copying me and my unique instrument and I'm mad as
heck about it. 

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Louie Angulo wrote:

>   I try to gather a FCB1010 software upgrade wishlist in
>   this community to send to behringer but i got very
>   little response ...how many of us are using the
>   FCB1010?

I'm using one (also with Repeater).

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--- "loop.pool"  wrote:
> 
> Who of you on Loopers Delight know of live loopers who are not a part of
> this community and why have they not joined?

I know half dozen people around here either looping or very interestd in looping
who are not on this list. I've suggested it, but none have joined. 

> a) don't want to
> b) haven't heard about it
> c) no time
> d) uncomfortable joining groups
> e)  no internet connection

I expect that it's a combination of A and C for these folks. A couple of them are
on the road a lot, don't answer even personal email much. Some are sensitive to
the amount of email they get (and other distractions) so they don't participate
in any mailing lists or newsgroups.
 
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Greg House wrote:

>--- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote:
>  
>
>>I'd bet it's a lot more than some of them would be willing to admit. To join 
>>is to acknowledge these facts (ultimately). Human nature is funny that 
>>way. I'd bet more than a few of those folks are guitarists too. Heheh.
>>    
>>
>
>Yeah. I invented the guitar too, been playing it long before anyone else figured
>it out. Then everyone started copying me and my unique instrument and I'm mad as
>heck about it. 
>
>  
>
What your step there: I invented the internet.


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there is a noise gate on the input, but if you can actually hear it so 
obviously your input level is set way too low. Turn the input up higher. 
(or you have a really old software version, the gate level was set too high 
in the earliest versions.)
kim

At 02:09 AM 11/17/2003, lol c wrote:
>Hi all
>
>Those who have been following my rather shakey first foray into the EDP 
>owning world will know by now that ive been having a few problems, well 
>this weekend Ive had no stutters , resets or distorted signals, I have 
>however
>found a new problem.
>
>I was trying to record a ebow loop which fades in from nothing when i 
>noticed that on the recorded loop the ebow comes in suddenly and with a 
>distinct beginning (as opposed to a pure fade in from 0) the same also 
>happens on the fade out.

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Greg wrote:
> I love dancing about architecture! I danced a Frank Lloyd Wright just last
week.

One of the best commentaries on "talking about music is like dancing about
architecture" (and I wish I could remember the source; I suspect it was Kyle
Gann):
    Yes, and talking conveys information just as dance conveys information,
albeit in different ways. Intelligent talk can express enthusiasm and convey
shades of meaning just as dance can. Someone could certainly dance an homage
to the skyline of Manhattan (or FLW), and afterwards an observer might see
the skyline a little differently. Or the observer might decide that the
dancer sucked. Apply to talking about music...
...or music about architecture. "So Long, Frank Lloyd Wright" by Simon and
Garfunkel comes to mind, as does Varese's music for that World's fair
exhibit built by Le Corbusier(sp?)...
...or architecture about music. Thinking of that concert hall in France with
the adjustable walls (IRCAM?)
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I'm a student in Manchester England, and have recently become interested in 
looping, especially Tape looping. I would very much like to find out if 
there was much of this going on at the moment, and wether anyone could 
reccomend some recordings or books on the subject. I was also wondering if 
there were many pieces for tape loop and orchestra or any other 'classical' 
instruments.

Looking forward to a reply, John Purton.

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hello,

i think that a big reason to ask these questions is to inspire dialogue
about this sound design method.   it ain't exactly easy to compare notes
about my craft at the local hootenanny.   i mean, it can be a little
daunting to try and discuss looping with a guy who thinks you're cheating if
you use more than 6 strings and some japanese pressboard.   even more
prevalent are listeners who's primary response is "hell, that don't sound
like 'skinnard'" and to whom "you're jes makin that up as you go along" is a
negative criticism.  while i do not live in a technological mecca, i suspect
that most people on this list have similar problems.

getting a handle on what people are doing here helped me define what else
was being done with the tech.   i really don't want to be one of those
people who "invented" a commonly used technique.  staying on this list makes
me humble.   one of the coolest "new" techniques i have begun using was
something that someone referred to in that hackneyed old topic "repeater vs.
edp".   i just had sort of missed the whole way slowed down repeater thing.
i find the effect like a real-time granular synth.

i have begun to wonder if there is musician's music and music accessible to
the average joe.   sometime these types cross, but rarely for long.   i
mean, think about taking a poll at the door of a crimson concert asking each
attendant if they play some sort of instrument.  then do the same thing at a
pink floyd concert.  then do the same thing at a white stripes concert.
finding people who can access the work that i do is hard enough.   finding
reasonable critical evaluation is much more difficult.

the most important reasons to me for asking these basic questions (what do
you use, do, want, ect.) is to help find the like minds, out there.  just
recently, this list provided me with a couple of contacts that were
absolutely invaluable in helping me critically evaluate what i was doing.
i cannot overstate the importance of these interactions.   while i do not
(could not) read every post on this list,  the more philosophical and basic
threads are the ones that i am most likely to open.   labyrinthine threads
pursuing the exact settings on a particular footpedal to configure it for
use with a more particular unit; these are the ones that i skip, usually.

i have one for the pot:   who here feels that he is trying to reach the
world, and who has just given up and thinks that looping is mainly for
loopers?   i had a guy come up to me after my last show and tell me "man,
that sampling stuff is the future!"   he liked it but i can't help feel that
he missed the whole f-ing point.

what do you think?

lance

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> Jesse Ray Lucas wrote...
>
> "Once you can define it and put it in a box, then it's dead.  Take it to
> academia and be done with it.  Wait for the next wave of innovation to
> happen and then box it up and take it to academia, too."
>
> ....in response to the recent polls about what looping gear loopers  use
and
> I can
> surely resonate with his fears about the dangers of definitions and boxes.
> All of my adult life
> I've been associated with musical pursuits that were either brand new and,
> hence, have no categories
> at the record store, let alone academia or were stylistically marginalize
> with the same results.
> I've felt that sting of being hemmed in by intellectual boxes and felt the
> sting of closed minds that prevented me
> from reaching people that I knew would like what I was doing.
>
> At the same time, I've also been very self conciously in a mode of trying
to
> promote live
> looping with a lot of my work and I wanted to say a couple of things about
> where I'm coming
> from to perhaps allay the fears of people who are wary of that approach in
> this community:
>
> One of the things that I"ve noticed is that when communities become bigger
> that they incorporate much more diversity.   Even with everyone on this
> list, we are a pretty small
> community.   I think it would be great for our community if it expanded
it's
> numbers............more creativity, more knowledge, more diversity.
>
> One of the things that I have loved so far about the big festivals that we
> have had so far is that I have never encountered a group of musicians (in
> the dozen or so musical communities that I"ve actively been part of in my
> life) that are so non-judgemental about each other and accepting and
> supporting of each
> person's attempts to be uniquely creative with there use of the looping
> machines.
> Their behaviour completely belies the  "put things in a box to reduce
them"
> mentality.
> If anything, the reverse is true.  I believe that the Y2K3 loopers really
> celebrated differences
> and had no desires to pin people down either with style or with hardware.
>
> This year it was stunning and very gratifying to me that Wayne Jackson
> made his own proprietary software to loop his circuit bent toy instruments
> and that Joe Balestrini came up with a novel way to use Ableton's Live in
> realtime performance for his multi-instrumentalism................that
John
> Whooley had two DL-4 set up like holsters on his side like some zen
looping
> clown cowboy
> , using only his mouth as an intrument as he went out on a long chord into
> the audience
> wowing people with his really idiosyncratic musical vision........
>
> There was just a tremendous amount of stylistic and musical diversity and
an
> incredibly large number of
> different looping devices and strategies being employed.   It was
> exhilirating for me to watch and be part
> of it and I only wish that you could have participated here yourself.
>
> To me, Jesse, knowledge is a positive thing and knowing about who we are
> gives us clues to what potential we can have
> and where we can go.
>
> That's my intention in asking these questions.     I have never intended
to
> reduce us by categorizing us, but rather to
> expand all of our minds to who we are in the strong hopes that we will all
> expand to what we can become.
>
> Mine is an additive intention and never a subractive intention.   I trust
> that you can respect that sentiment.
>
> yours, respectfully,   rick walker
>
>

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Hi everbody--
Just got back from the Las Vegas Craft Festival (no, Fripp wasn't there :>)
and have a report to issue--
First off, I WAS allowed to present a good solid ten-fifteen minutes of loop
stuff that was fairly well received (applause!) using the EDP--it first
manifested the endless scroll, so I reseated (well I pushed down on) the ICs
with legs (should I be saying that a different way?) and all was well.  The
source material (me) was very straight forward, acoustic guitar playing
improvised melodies (I did do Sweet Georgia Brown, works for me).
The sound man, David Blonski, is one of those people we are discussing now,
a looper (he just bought the RC, said he could afford the EDP) unaware of
this little cozy online coffee klatch.  He sure understood what I was doing!
So I am sending him the url--his is
http://www.timelessproductions.com/blonski/
He is a dig/flute /percussion man, so looping is perfect for what he does.
All for now, loop on . . .
Gary


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(whispering) i think that i have heard this stuff on my ebow work as well,
along with some other swell type inputs that i have tried.    i have not,
however, heard it on the decay, only on the attack.   it seems to help if i
start a silent loop and overdub.   i dunno why.   don't give up hope.   i'll
still stick by the edp as being the best sounding thing out there; and as an
ebow looper, i cannot do without the transparent loop point on the edp.

lance



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> there is a noise gate on the input, but if you can actually hear it so
> obviously your input level is set way too low. Turn the input up higher.
> (or you have a really old software version, the gate level was set too
high
> in the earliest versions.)
> kim
>
> At 02:09 AM 11/17/2003, lol c wrote:
> >Hi all
> >
> >Those who have been following my rather shakey first foray into the EDP
> >owning world will know by now that ive been having a few problems, well
> >this weekend Ive had no stutters , resets or distorted signals, I have
> >however
> >found a new problem.
> >
> >I was trying to record a ebow loop which fades in from nothing when i
> >noticed that on the recorded loop the ebow comes in suddenly and with a
> >distinct beginning (as opposed to a pure fade in from 0) the same also
> >happens on the fade out.
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
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On 03-11-17 12.24,  "cristian cascetta"  wrote:

 line into the house PA and another line into the USB/laptop.
> 
> Sorry but I didn't understand very well:  In this case you don't use the
> audiophile for looping but for recording and/or sequencing?

I play instruments through a microphone (or electric guitar preamp) into the
USB Audiophile/laptop armed with Ableton Live software. The Live software
records, by pressing the FCB1010 foot pads, and loops back the recording
over the PA system. I can create as many parallel loops I need in this way.
 
> If yes, this is not my idea, as I'd like to use it to capture the audio coming
> from my basses and effects, looping it via software and sending it to the PA
> (or my monitors at home), and eventually sequencing and controlling via midi
> my drum machine. If USB latency is the problem, what can I do?

Latency is not a problem when looping since the computer doesn't begin to
play the sound until on the next loop round. And in the Live software I'm
using the setting to quantize the "start recording" point to a note value
(using different but mostly one bar, if not going for polyrhythmic effects
like running a four beat loop along a three beat loop).


>> I think you should also take a look at the Audiophile Quattro. Think about
>> what you want to do and maybe this device will serve you better?
>> http://www.m-audio.com/products/m-audio/quattro.php
> 
> I visited the page, do you think the Quattro is better suited for looping?
> Especially for the real-time monitoring/playing?

Today I should go for the quattro instead of the Audiophile USB I bought.
And like you are saying, mostly to get that realtime direct monitoring. Now
I have to split my instument (1) to PA and (2) to laptop to stay out of
latency trouble.


>>> - a behringer mixer
>> 
>> Got one of those as well. But I stopped using it since I hate the sound of
>> it. It's small, cute and well designed, though ;-)
> 
> I hate the sound too, but for the moment it's well suited for my absolutely
> not hi-fi needs :-)

I agree. I use it when I have to - for looping/musical reasons, not for the
sound ;-)

Oh gosh, now I'm in deep latency - have to rush for a dinner meeting!!!! ;-)

Taker care

Per


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Yikes!

Has everyone heard about this? I just got an e-mail or two that 
tipped me off to it -- and after investigating a little I found out 
it's actually true. This comes as a major shock to me. I'd enjoyed
a good deal of success with their service (6007 downloads).
I have to say i am really sorry to see them go.

This from MP3.com's own site-news page:

>CNET Networks, Inc. announced today that it has acquired 
>certain assets of MP3.com, Inc.
>Please be advised that on Tuesday, December 2, 2003 at 
>12:00 PM PST the MP3.com website will no longer be 
>accessible in its current form. 
>
>Following a transition period, CNET Networks, Inc. plans to 
>introduce new and enhanced artist services. If you would like 
>to receive e-mail updates on these new services and notification 
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>artists-only preview, please sign up here. 
>
>Your personal information, music, images, related content 
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>administration tools will remain available until the site is 
>redirected on December 2, 2003. Please note, however, 
>that promptly following the removal of the MP3.com website, 
>all content will be deleted from our servers and all previously 
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>will be destroyed. We recommend that you make alternative 
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>the site goes offline. 
>
>MP3.com stopped collecting monthly fees for Gold and 
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>2003. For any monthly Gold or Platinum Artist Service 
>subscription fees MP3.com received during the period 
>beginning October 13, 2003 and ending November 2, 2003, 
>MP3.com will be issuing a refund that will be prorated 
>to reflect a termination of the subscription as of 
>November 2, 2003. For any previously paid annual 
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>received during 2003, MP3.com will be issuing a refund 
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Geeeze! What to do now?

tEd Ū kiLLiAn

http://www.mp3.com/tedkillian
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Weird. And they are simply taking it offline Dec 2nd.

They won't re-open until "sometime" in 2004.

Is anyone on this list actually an ARTIST there? If so, what have they told
you?

-DM 

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] 
>>Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 1:04 PM
>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>Subject: MP3.com Gone by December 2, 2003
>>
>>Yikes!
>>
>>Has everyone heard about this? I just got an e-mail or two 
>>that tipped me off to it -- and after investigating a little 
>>I found out it's actually true. This comes as a major shock 
>>to me. I'd enjoyed a good deal of success with their service 
>>(6007 downloads).
>>I have to say i am really sorry to see them go.
>>
>>This from MP3.com's own site-news page:
>>
>>>CNET Networks, Inc. announced today that it has acquired 
>>certain assets 
>>>of MP3.com, Inc.
>>>Please be advised that on Tuesday, December 2, 2003 at 12:00 
>>PM PST the 
>>>MP3.com website will no longer be accessible in its current form.
>>>
>>>Following a transition period, CNET Networks, Inc. plans to 
>>introduce 
>>>new and enhanced artist services. If you would like to 
>>receive e-mail 
>>>updates on these new services and notification when they are 
>>available, 
>>>as well as an invitation to their special artists-only 
>>preview, please 
>>>sign up here.
>>>
>>>Your personal information, music, images, related content or other 
>>>information will not be transferred to CNET Networks, Inc. 
>>or any other 
>>>third party. MP3.com's content administration tools will remain 
>>>available until the site is redirected on December 2, 2003. Please 
>>>note, however, that promptly following the removal of the MP3.com 
>>>website, all content will be deleted from our servers and all 
>>>previously submitted tapes, CD-ROMs and other media in our 
>>possession 
>>>will be destroyed. We recommend that you make alternative content 
>>>hosting arrangements as soon as practicable. Please remember 
>>to update 
>>>or remove all links and references to the URL www.mp3.com. 
>>Additionally 
>>>if you would like a historical record of your page, we 
>>recommend that 
>>>you capture screen shots of the page as well as your artist 
>>statistics 
>>>pages since they will no longer be available once the site goes 
>>>offline.
>>>
>>>MP3.com stopped collecting monthly fees for Gold and Platinum Artist 
>>>Service subscriptions as of November 3, 2003. For any 
>>monthly Gold or 
>>>Platinum Artist Service subscription fees MP3.com received 
>>during the 
>>>period beginning October 13, 2003 and ending November 2, 
>>2003, MP3.com 
>>>will be issuing a refund that will be prorated to reflect a 
>>termination 
>>>of the subscription as of November 2, 2003. For any previously paid 
>>>annual Gold and Platinum subscription fees MP3.com has 
>>received during 
>>>2003, MP3.com will be issuing a refund that will be prorated 
>>to reflect 
>>>a termination of the subscription as of November 2, 2003. 
>>Any artists 
>>>who subscribed to the Platinum or Gold Artist Service after 
>>November 2, 
>>>2003 will receive a full refund of any fees paid.
>>>
>>>If you subscribe to any other MP3.com services, you will receive 
>>>separate e-mail messages with specific information about refunds and 
>>>service availability.
>>>Participants in the truSONIC Business Music Service program will be 
>>>receiving an e-mail update about the process for their continued 
>>>participation in that program.
>>>
>>>All content uploads will cease immediately. Approvals of previously 
>>>uploaded content will continue through Friday, November 14, 
>>2003. CDs 
>>>will be available for purchase through Monday, November 17, 2003 at 
>>>12:00 PM PST.
>>>
>>>MP3.com will perform a final artist accounting and check 
>>distribution 
>>>on or around December 1, 2003. Any artist account with a 
>>balance of at 
>>>least $25.00 will qualify to receive a payment in the final artist 
>>>accounting (reduced from the usual requirement of $50.00). 
>>Payment of 
>>>CD royalties will be included in the final artist accounting.
>>>If you anticipate a payment, please verify and update your artist 
>>>account and contact information no later than November 20, 
>>2003. Click 
>>>here for help updating your contact information.
>>>
>>>Please be sure to check the Sophie message board and System Service 
>>>Report (SSR) for further updates.
>>>
>>>On behalf of all of us at MP3.com we thank you for your 
>>patronage and 
>>>continued support. It has been a privilege to host one of 
>>the largest 
>>>and most diverse collections of music in the world. MP3.com 
>>wishes to 
>>>express its sincere thanks to each of you for making our website an 
>>>important part of your musical journey. We wish you 
>>continued success.
>>>
>>>Sincerely,
>>>MP3.com
>>>
>>>P.S. Remember that in order to receive e-mail updates on CNET's new 
>>>artist services, you should sign up here today.
>>
>>Geeeze! What to do now?
>>
>>tEd (r) kiLLiAn
>>
>>http://www.mp3.com/tedkillian
>>http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
>>http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
>>http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
>>
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Weird. And they are simply taking it offline Dec 2nd.




They won't re-open until "sometime" in 2004.




Is anyone on this list actually an ARTIST there? If so, what have they told you?




-DM 




>>-----Original Message-----

>>From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] 

>>Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 1:04 PM

>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

>>Subject: MP3.com Gone by December 2, 2003

>>

>>Yikes!

>>

>>Has everyone heard about this? I just got an e-mail or two 

>>that tipped me off to it -- and after investigating a little 

>>I found out it's actually true. This comes as a major shock 

>>to me. I'd enjoyed a good deal of success with their service 

>>(6007 downloads).

>>I have to say i am really sorry to see them go.

>>

>>This from MP3.com's own site-news page:

>>

>>>CNET Networks, Inc. announced today that it has acquired 

>>certain assets 

>>>of MP3.com, Inc.

>>>Please be advised that on Tuesday, December 2, 2003 at 12:00 

>>PM PST the 

>>>MP3.com website will no longer be accessible in its current form.

>>>

>>>Following a transition period, CNET Networks, Inc. plans to 

>>introduce 

>>>new and enhanced artist services. If you would like to 

>>receive e-mail 

>>>updates on these new services and notification when they are 

>>available, 

>>>as well as an invitation to their special artists-only 

>>preview, please 

>>>sign up here.

>>>

>>>Your personal information, music, images, related content or other 

>>>information will not be transferred to CNET Networks, Inc. 

>>or any other 

>>>third party. MP3.com's content administration tools will remain 

>>>available until the site is redirected on December 2, 2003. Please 

>>>note, however, that promptly following the removal of the MP3.com 

>>>website, all content will be deleted from our servers and all 

>>>previously submitted tapes, CD-ROMs and other media in our 

>>possession 

>>>will be destroyed. We recommend that you make alternative content 

>>>hosting arrangements as soon as practicable. Please remember 

>>to update 

>>>or remove all links and references to the URL www.mp3.com. 

>>Additionally 

>>>if you would like a historical record of your page, we 

>>recommend that 

>>>you capture screen shots of the page as well as your artist 

>>statistics 

>>>pages since they will no longer be available once the site goes 

>>>offline.

>>>

>>>MP3.com stopped collecting monthly fees for Gold and Platinum Artist 

>>>Service subscriptions as of November 3, 2003. For any 

>>monthly Gold or 

>>>Platinum Artist Service subscription fees MP3.com received 

>>during the 

>>>period beginning October 13, 2003 and ending November 2, 

>>2003, MP3.com 

>>>will be issuing a refund that will be prorated to reflect a 

>>termination 

>>>of the subscription as of November 2, 2003. For any previously paid 

>>>annual Gold and Platinum subscription fees MP3.com has 

>>received during 

>>>2003, MP3.com will be issuing a refund that will be prorated 

>>to reflect 

>>>a termination of the subscription as of November 2, 2003. 

>>Any artists 

>>>who subscribed to the Platinum or Gold Artist Service after 

>>November 2, 

>>>2003 will receive a full refund of any fees paid.

>>>

>>>If you subscribe to any other MP3.com services, you will receive 

>>>separate e-mail messages with specific information about refunds and 

>>>service availability.

>>>Participants in the truSONIC Business Music Service program will be 

>>>receiving an e-mail update about the process for their continued 

>>>participation in that program.

>>>

>>>All content uploads will cease immediately. Approvals of previously 

>>>uploaded content will continue through Friday, November 14, 

>>2003. CDs 

>>>will be available for purchase through Monday, November 17, 2003 at 

>>>12:00 PM PST.

>>>

>>>MP3.com will perform a final artist accounting and check 

>>distribution 

>>>on or around December 1, 2003. Any artist account with a 

>>balance of at 

>>>least $25.00 will qualify to receive a payment in the final artist 

>>>accounting (reduced from the usual requirement of $50.00). 

>>Payment of 

>>>CD royalties will be included in the final artist accounting.

>>>If you anticipate a payment, please verify and update your artist 

>>>account and contact information no later than November 20, 

>>2003. Click 

>>>here for help updating your contact information.

>>>

>>>Please be sure to check the Sophie message board and System Service 

>>>Report (SSR) for further updates.

>>>

>>>On behalf of all of us at MP3.com we thank you for your 

>>patronage and 

>>>continued support. It has been a privilege to host one of 

>>the largest 

>>>and most diverse collections of music in the world. MP3.com 

>>wishes to 

>>>express its sincere thanks to each of you for making our website an 

>>>important part of your musical journey. We wish you 

>>continued success.

>>>

>>>Sincerely,

>>>MP3.com

>>>

>>>P.S. Remember that in order to receive e-mail updates on CNET's new 

>>>artist services, you should sign up here today.

>>

>>Geeeze! What to do now?

>>

>>tEd (r) kiLLiAn

>>

>>http://www.mp3.com/tedkillian

>>http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html

>>http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian

>>http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html

>>

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OH. . . . guess I should have kept reading all of Ted's email. That would
have answered my question.
 
Duh!
 
DM


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From: Don Makoviney [mailto:don.makoviney@asg.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 1:09 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: MP3.com Gone by December 2, 2003



Weird. And they are simply taking it offline Dec 2nd. 

They won't re-open until "sometime" in 2004. 

Is anyone on this list actually an ARTIST there? If so, what have they told
you? 

-DM 

>>-----Original Message----- 
>>From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com
 ] 
>>Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 1:04 PM 
>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 
>>Subject: MP3.com Gone by December 2, 2003 
>> 
>>Yikes! 
>> 
>>Has everyone heard about this? I just got an e-mail or two 
>>that tipped me off to it -- and after investigating a little 
>>I found out it's actually true. This comes as a major shock 
>>to me. I'd enjoyed a good deal of success with their service 
>>(6007 downloads). 
>>I have to say i am really sorry to see them go. 
>> 
>>This from MP3.com's own site-news page: 
>> 
>>>CNET Networks, Inc. announced today that it has acquired 
>>certain assets 
>>>of MP3.com, Inc. 
>>>Please be advised that on Tuesday, December 2, 2003 at 12:00 
>>PM PST the 
>>>MP3.com website will no longer be accessible in its current form. 
>>> 
>>>Following a transition period, CNET Networks, Inc. plans to 
>>introduce 
>>>new and enhanced artist services. If you would like to 
>>receive e-mail 
>>>updates on these new services and notification when they are 
>>available, 
>>>as well as an invitation to their special artists-only 
>>preview, please 
>>>sign up here. 
>>> 
>>>Your personal information, music, images, related content or other 
>>>information will not be transferred to CNET Networks, Inc. 
>>or any other 
>>>third party. MP3.com's content administration tools will remain 
>>>available until the site is redirected on December 2, 2003. Please 
>>>note, however, that promptly following the removal of the MP3.com 
>>>website, all content will be deleted from our servers and all 
>>>previously submitted tapes, CD-ROMs and other media in our 
>>possession 
>>>will be destroyed. We recommend that you make alternative content 
>>>hosting arrangements as soon as practicable. Please remember 
>>to update 
>>>or remove all links and references to the URL www.mp3.com. 
>>Additionally 
>>>if you would like a historical record of your page, we 
>>recommend that 
>>>you capture screen shots of the page as well as your artist 
>>statistics 
>>>pages since they will no longer be available once the site goes 
>>>offline. 
>>> 
>>>MP3.com stopped collecting monthly fees for Gold and Platinum Artist 
>>>Service subscriptions as of November 3, 2003. For any 
>>monthly Gold or 
>>>Platinum Artist Service subscription fees MP3.com received 
>>during the 
>>>period beginning October 13, 2003 and ending November 2, 
>>2003, MP3.com 
>>>will be issuing a refund that will be prorated to reflect a 
>>termination 
>>>of the subscription as of November 2, 2003. For any previously paid 
>>>annual Gold and Platinum subscription fees MP3.com has 
>>received during 
>>>2003, MP3.com will be issuing a refund that will be prorated 
>>to reflect 
>>>a termination of the subscription as of November 2, 2003. 
>>Any artists 
>>>who subscribed to the Platinum or Gold Artist Service after 
>>November 2, 
>>>2003 will receive a full refund of any fees paid. 
>>> 
>>>If you subscribe to any other MP3.com services, you will receive 
>>>separate e-mail messages with specific information about refunds and 
>>>service availability. 
>>>Participants in the truSONIC Business Music Service program will be 
>>>receiving an e-mail update about the process for their continued 
>>>participation in that program. 
>>> 
>>>All content uploads will cease immediately. Approvals of previously 
>>>uploaded content will continue through Friday, November 14, 
>>2003. CDs 
>>>will be available for purchase through Monday, November 17, 2003 at 
>>>12:00 PM PST. 
>>> 
>>>MP3.com will perform a final artist accounting and check 
>>distribution 
>>>on or around December 1, 2003. Any artist account with a 
>>balance of at 
>>>least $25.00 will qualify to receive a payment in the final artist 
>>>accounting (reduced from the usual requirement of $50.00). 
>>Payment of 
>>>CD royalties will be included in the final artist accounting. 
>>>If you anticipate a payment, please verify and update your artist 
>>>account and contact information no later than November 20, 
>>2003. Click 
>>>here for help updating your contact information. 
>>> 
>>>Please be sure to check the Sophie message board and System Service 
>>>Report (SSR) for further updates. 
>>> 
>>>On behalf of all of us at MP3.com we thank you for your 
>>patronage and 
>>>continued support. It has been a privilege to host one of 
>>the largest 
>>>and most diverse collections of music in the world. MP3.com 
>>wishes to 
>>>express its sincere thanks to each of you for making our website an 
>>>important part of your musical journey. We wish you 
>>continued success. 
>>> 
>>>Sincerely, 
>>>MP3.com 
>>> 
>>>P.S. Remember that in order to receive e-mail updates on CNET's new 
>>>artist services, you should sign up here today. 
>> 
>>Geeeze! What to do now? 
>> 
>>tEd (r) kiLLiAn 
>> 
>>http://www.mp3.com/tedkillian   
>>http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html   
>>http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian 

>>http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
  
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OH. . . . guess I should have kept reading all of Ted's 
email. That would have answered my question.


 


Duh!


 


DM




  

  

  From: Don Makoviney 
  [mailto:don.makoviney@asg.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 1:09 
  PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: 
  MP3.com Gone by December 2, 2003


  

  
Weird. And they are simply taking it offline Dec 2nd. 
  

  
They won't re-open until "sometime" in 2004. 

  
Is anyone on this list actually an ARTIST there? If so, what 
  have they told you? 

  
-DM 

  
>>-----Original Message----- 
>>From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] 
  
>>Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 1:04 PM 
  
>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 
  
>>Subject: MP3.com Gone by December 2, 2003 
  
>> 
>>Yikes! 
  
>> 
>>Has everyone heard 
  about this? I just got an e-mail or two 
>>that 
  tipped me off to it -- and after investigating a little 
>>I found out it's actually true. This comes as a major shock 
  
>>to me. I'd enjoyed a good deal of success with 
  their service 
>>(6007 downloads). 
  
>>I have to say i am really sorry to see them 
  go. 
>> 
>>This from 
  MP3.com's own site-news page: 
>> 
  
>>>CNET Networks, Inc. announced today that it has 
  acquired 
>>certain assets 
>>>of MP3.com, Inc. 
>>>Please 
  be advised that on Tuesday, December 2, 2003 at 12:00 
>>PM PST the 
>>>MP3.com website 
  will no longer be accessible in its current form. 
>>> 
>>>Following a transition 
  period, CNET Networks, Inc. plans to 
>>introduce 
  
>>>new and enhanced artist services. If you 
  would like to 
>>receive e-mail 
>>>updates on these new services and notification when they 
  are 
>>available, 
>>>as well as an invitation to their special artists-only 
  
>>preview, please 
>>>sign up here. 
>>> 
  
>>>Your personal information, music, images, related 
  content or other 
>>>information will not be 
  transferred to CNET Networks, Inc. 
>>or any 
  other 
>>>third party. MP3.com's content 
  administration tools will remain 
>>>available 
  until the site is redirected on December 2, 2003. Please 
>>>note, however, that promptly following the removal of the 
  MP3.com 
>>>website, all content will be 
  deleted from our servers and all 
>>>previously submitted tapes, CD-ROMs and other media in our 
  
>>possession 
>>>will be destroyed. We recommend that you make alternative 
  content 
>>>hosting arrangements as soon as 
  practicable. Please remember 
>>to update 
  
>>>or remove all links and references to the 
  URL www.mp3.com. 
>>Additionally 
>>>if you would like a historical record of your page, we 
  
>>recommend that 
>>>you capture screen shots of the page as well as your artist 
  
>>statistics 
>>>pages since they will no longer be available once the site 
  goes 
>>>offline. 
>>> 
>>>MP3.com stopped 
  collecting monthly fees for Gold and Platinum Artist 
>>>Service subscriptions as of November 3, 2003. For any 
  
>>monthly Gold or 
>>>Platinum Artist Service subscription fees MP3.com received 
  
>>during the 
>>>period beginning October 13, 2003 and ending November 2, 
  
>>2003, MP3.com 
>>>will be issuing a refund that will be prorated to reflect a 
  
>>termination 
>>>of the subscription as of November 2, 2003. For any 
  previously paid 
>>>annual Gold and Platinum 
  subscription fees MP3.com has 
>>received during 
  
>>>2003, MP3.com will be issuing a refund 
  that will be prorated 
>>to reflect 
  
>>>a termination of the subscription as of 
  November 2, 2003. 
>>Any artists 
>>>who subscribed to the Platinum or Gold Artist Service after 
  
>>November 2, 
>>>2003 will receive a full refund of any fees paid. 
  
>>> 
>>>If you 
  subscribe to any other MP3.com services, you will receive 
>>>separate e-mail messages with specific information about 
  refunds and 
>>>service availability. 
  
>>>Participants in the truSONIC Business Music 
  Service program will be 
>>>receiving an 
  e-mail update about the process for their continued 
>>>participation in that program. 
>>> 
>>>All content uploads 
  will cease immediately. Approvals of previously 
>>>uploaded content will continue through Friday, November 14, 
  
>>2003. CDs 
>>>will be available for purchase through Monday, November 17, 
  2003 at 
>>>12:00 PM PST. 
>>> 
>>>MP3.com will perform a 
  final artist accounting and check 
>>distribution 
  
>>>on or around December 1, 2003. Any artist 
  account with a 
>>balance of at 
>>>least $25.00 will qualify to receive a payment in the final 
  artist 
>>>accounting (reduced from the usual 
  requirement of $50.00). 
>>Payment of 
  
>>>CD royalties will be included in the final 
  artist accounting. 
>>>If you anticipate a 
  payment, please verify and update your artist 
>>>account and contact information no later than November 20, 
  
>>2003. Click 
>>>here for help updating your contact information. 
  
>>> 
>>>Please be 
  sure to check the Sophie message board and System Service 
>>>Report (SSR) for further updates. 
>>> 
>>>On behalf of all of us 
  at MP3.com we thank you for your 
>>patronage and 
  
>>>continued support. It has been a privilege 
  to host one of 
>>the largest 
>>>and most diverse collections of music in the world. MP3.com 
  
>>wishes to 
>>>express its sincere thanks to each of you for making our 
  website an 
>>>important part of your musical 
  journey. We wish you 
>>continued success. 
  
>>> 
>>>Sincerely, 
>>>MP3.com 
>>> 
  
>>>P.S. Remember that in order to receive e-mail 
  updates on CNET's new 
>>>artist services, you 
  should sign up here today. 
>> 
>>Geeeze! What to do now? 
>> 
  
>>tEd (r) kiLLiAn 
>> 
>>http://www.mp3.com/tedkillian 
>>http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html 
>>http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian 
>>http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html 
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DM,

In a message dated 11/17/03 10:15:40 AM, don.makoviney@asg.com writes:

>Is anyone on this list actually an ARTIST there? If so, what have they
>told you? 

I am an artist there and they have told me squat!

tEd Ū kiLLiAn

http://www.mp3.com/tedkillian
http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
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>-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 10:04 AM
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Subject: MP3.com Gone by December 2, 2003

>Geeeze! What to do now?

http://newmusic.clearchannel.com/
http://www.ampcast.com/
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>   I try to gather a FCB1010 software upgrade wishlist in
>   this community to send to behringer but i got very
>   little response ...how many of us are using the
>   FCB1010?


I've got one- never used it. been put off by the having-to-learn-a-new-programming-technique thing, but I would surely contribute to a wishlist straight away. I'd like it to support a mode whereby each footswitch can be programmed in isolation to send strings of midi commands, like the buttons on a pc1600....

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>   I try to gather a FCB1010 software upgra=
de wishlist in

>   this community to send to behringer but=
 i got very

>   little response ...how many of us are u=
sing the

>   FCB1010?






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There is a wishlist already sent weekly to support@behringer.de from the
Yahoo FCB group (I am the one sending it). Make another one, and send it
weekly- maybe someone will listen. On this list, we get used to the
designers being on the list...with Behringer, there are seemingly simple
improvements that can be made to their pedal to make it better. The software
editor that an FCB list member came up with is a must, as well. Go ahead,
email Behringer!
 
Dave Eichenberger
http://www.hazardfactor.com   


   


>   I try to gather a FCB1010 software upgrade wishlist in 
>   this community to send to behringer but i got very 
>   little response ...how many of us are using the 
>   FCB1010? 


I've got one- never used it. been put off by the
having-to-learn-a-new-programming-technique thing, but I would surely
contribute to a wishlist straight away. I'd like it to support a mode
whereby each footswitch can be programmed in isolation to send strings of
midi commands, like the buttons on a pc1600....

d. 

   


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maybe=20
someone will listen. On this list, we get used to the designers being on =
the=20
list...with Behringer, there are seemingly simple improvements that can =
be made=20
to their pedal to make it better. The software editor that an FCB list =
member=20
came up with is a must, as well. Go ahead, email =
Behringer!


 




Dave Eichenberger
http://www.hazardfactor.com=20




  
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>   this community =
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> 
>>> I think you should also take a look at the Audiophile Quattro. Think about
>>> what you want to do and maybe this device will serve you better?
>>> http://www.m-audio.com/products/m-audio/quattro.php
>> 
>> I visited the page, do you think the Quattro is better suited for looping?
>> Especially for the real-time monitoring/playing?
> 
> 
> Today I should go for the quattro instead of the Audiophile USB I bought.
> And like you are saying, mostly to get that realtime direct monitoring. Now
> I have to split my instument (1) to PA and (2) to laptop to stay out of
> latency trouble.


Now I understand where is the latency!!! I thought it was in the looping 
process itself.

> 
> Oh gosh, now I'm in deep latency - have to rush for a dinner meeting!!!! ;-)


That's really good!!! ;-)

> 
> Taker care
> 
> Per
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Thank you very much, now everything is clearer!

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 >> The software editor that an FCB list member came up with is a must, as well. <<
 
tease! where is it then?
 
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 >> The software editor that an FCB list 
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1. Ability to select MIDI channel for all note-on and CC messages in a
per-preset manner, rather than having it defined globally.

2. Ability to send only note-on, or only note-off, to make use of LoopIV's
PreviousLoop hack.


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RE: MP3.com Gone by December 2, 2003After mp3.com announced that one =
might or might not own the copyrights of one's own work on their site, I =
pulled everything but my arrangement of The Star Spangled Banner, and =
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No loss to the music community, that one.  Created the rip-em-off model =
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  Weird. And they are simply taking it offline Dec 2nd.=20

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  Is anyone on this list actually an ARTIST there? If so, what have they =
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  -DM=20

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  >>Yikes!=20
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  >>This from MP3.com's own site-news page:=20
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  >>statistics=20
  >>>pages since they will no longer be available once the site goes=20
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  >>>=20
  >>>MP3.com stopped collecting monthly fees for Gold and Platinum =
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  >>>annual Gold and Platinum subscription fees MP3.com has=20
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After mp3.com announced that one might or might not own the =
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The Star=20
Spangled Banner, and put links to LEGITIMATE music sites there.  I =
mean,=20
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no=20
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even get=20
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Steve Goodman
* EarthLight Productions
* http://www.earthlight.net



  
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i'll throw my .02$ in on this one....back in grad school when i was
doing a paper on the connection of "art  & music"--and i was trying to
find the connection that the "abstractness of music" was one of the factors
that lead to abstraction in art in the early 20th century (along w/ 
the cezanne, other post-impressionists and of course einstein, 
wagner, and a # of early abstractionists had a connection to music, 
p. klee trained as concert violinist,etc...)...well, of course i 
didn't find the exact answers and my paper got ripped a pretty good 
bumhole by my prof (his written comments were longer than my 
paper)...but in my research i found out that there is actually a very 
distinct connection between architecture and music...in that the 
ideas of harmony were developed after people started hearing the 
echos bounce off the huge interiors of gothic churches etc....

now whether there is a connection to looping...i doubt it....but my 2 
cents for the day....
s---
ps-there was also a quote similar to the "talking about architecture" 
that adrian belew said/quoted in an audio interview i heard of him 
back in late 80's when he was w/ the bears, and the phrase he said 
had a very "Dada"-like sensibility...i of course can't remember the 
exact quote....oh well....


>Greg wrote:
>>  I love dancing about architecture! I danced a Frank Lloyd Wright just last
>week.
>
>One of the best commentaries on "talking about music is like dancing about
>architecture" (and I wish I could remember the source; I suspect it was Kyle
>Gann):
>     Yes, and talking conveys information just as dance conveys information,
>albeit in different ways. Intelligent talk can express enthusiasm and convey
>shades of meaning just as dance can. Someone could certainly dance an homage
>to the skyline of Manhattan (or FLW), and afterwards an observer might see
>the skyline a little differently. Or the observer might decide that the
>dancer sucked. Apply to talking about music...
>...or music about architecture. "So Long, Frank Lloyd Wright" by Simon and
>Garfunkel comes to mind, as does Varese's music for that World's fair
>exhibit built by Le Corbusier(sp?)...
>...or architecture about music. Thinking of that concert hall in France with
>the adjustable walls (IRCAM?)
>Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
>coyotelk@optonline.net


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RE: MP3.com Gone by December 2, 2003Yeah, a buddy of mine took issue =
with the agreement at garageband.com that was very ambiguous about them =
owning the copyright to any images (including your band's logo, and/or =
promo shots) that you uploaded to their site.  He eventually got them to =
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  After mp3.com announced that one might or might not own the copyrights =
of one's own work on their site, I pulled everything but my arrangement =
of The Star Spangled Banner, and put links to LEGITIMATE music sites =
there.  I mean, what're they gonna do, steal The National Anthem?  I =
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Here it is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fcb1010/files/Software%20Tools/
 
but you have to join the FCB1010 Yahoo group to get it, and will only work
with the current firmware (2.3?)...you can only tell what firmware you have
by opening it up. Upgrades are available via a chip from Behringer, or if
you know someone with an EPROM burner. 
The editor makes everything so gosh darn easy.
 
Dave Eichenberger 
  http://www.hazardfactor.com 


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 >> The software editor that an FCB list member came up with is a must, as
well. <<
 
tease! where is it then?
 
d. 


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RE: FCB1010 wishlist (was: LD Community)




Here it is: ht=
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but you have to join the FCB1010 Yahoo group to get it, and =
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Taken over by CNET.com, that's pretty much it. All activity ending by 
year-end. They did promise not to sell my personal information;-) Not 
shedding a whole lot of tears though.
Nic


>From: Don Makoviney 
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>
>Weird. And they are simply taking it offline Dec 2nd.
>
>They won't re-open until "sometime" in 2004.
>
>Is anyone on this list actually an ARTIST there? If so, what have they told
>you?
>
>-DM
>
> >>-----Original Message-----
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> >>Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 1:04 PM
> >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >>Subject: MP3.com Gone by December 2, 2003
> >>
> >>Yikes!
> >>
> >>Has everyone heard about this? I just got an e-mail or two
> >>that tipped me off to it -- and after investigating a little
> >>I found out it's actually true. This comes as a major shock
> >>to me. I'd enjoyed a good deal of success with their service
> >>(6007 downloads).
> >>I have to say i am really sorry to see them go.
> >>
> >>This from MP3.com's own site-news page:
> >>
> >>>CNET Networks, Inc. announced today that it has acquired
> >>certain assets
> >>>of MP3.com, Inc.
> >>>Please be advised that on Tuesday, December 2, 2003 at 12:00
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> >>>MP3.com website will no longer be accessible in its current form.
> >>>
> >>>Following a transition period, CNET Networks, Inc. plans to
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> >>>available until the site is redirected on December 2, 2003. Please
> >>>note, however, that promptly following the removal of the MP3.com
> >>>website, all content will be deleted from our servers and all
> >>>previously submitted tapes, CD-ROMs and other media in our
> >>possession
> >>>will be destroyed. We recommend that you make alternative content
> >>>hosting arrangements as soon as practicable. Please remember
> >>to update
> >>>or remove all links and references to the URL www.mp3.com.
> >>Additionally
> >>>if you would like a historical record of your page, we
> >>recommend that
> >>>you capture screen shots of the page as well as your artist
> >>statistics
> >>>pages since they will no longer be available once the site goes
> >>>offline.
> >>>
> >>>MP3.com stopped collecting monthly fees for Gold and Platinum Artist
> >>>Service subscriptions as of November 3, 2003. For any
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> >>during the
> >>>period beginning October 13, 2003 and ending November 2,
> >>2003, MP3.com
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> >>termination
> >>>of the subscription as of November 2, 2003. For any previously paid
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> >>received during
> >>>2003, MP3.com will be issuing a refund that will be prorated
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> >>>a termination of the subscription as of November 2, 2003.
> >>Any artists
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> >>November 2,
> >>>2003 will receive a full refund of any fees paid.
> >>>
> >>>If you subscribe to any other MP3.com services, you will receive
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> >>>
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> >>2003. CDs
> >>>will be available for purchase through Monday, November 17, 2003 at
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> >>>
> >>>MP3.com will perform a final artist accounting and check
> >>distribution
> >>>on or around December 1, 2003. Any artist account with a
> >>balance of at
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> >>>accounting (reduced from the usual requirement of $50.00).
> >>Payment of
> >>>CD royalties will be included in the final artist accounting.
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> >>the largest
> >>>and most diverse collections of music in the world. MP3.com
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> >>
> >>Geeeze! What to do now?
> >>
> >>tEd (r) kiLLiAn
> >>
> >>http://www.mp3.com/tedkillian
> >>http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
> >>http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
> >>http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
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also  ZeBox,  http://www.zebox.com   is a pretty good hosting service.  no
approval period and they will serve up to 3 songs for free. 
there is a $20 fee if you want to store more than 3 songs, which seems
somewhat resonable.

-jas
http://wwww.zebox.com/dimbulb

>
>>>Geeeze! What to do now?
>>    
>>
>
>http://newmusic.clearchannel.com/
>http://www.ampcast.com/
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To those curious about future fcb1010 upgrades:

It is VERY UNLIKELY that many of your ideas will ever be incorporated into
future firmware releases to the FCB1010.  Why such a dismal view?  Well,
I've reverse engineered the electrical schematic of the FCB1010, and along
with several other interested people, reverse engineered the sysex format
for saving patches (leading to the software editor now available on my yahoo
group FCB_sysex_tool, or on the general FCB yahoo group).  In addition I've
begun a reverse engineer of the firmware in the FCB1010 with a couple of
other interested people (with the idea in mind to do an update ourselves).
So I know a lot about how the FCB1010 was designed and implimented.

Behringer cut a lot of corners, most likely to maintain some overall target
cost of the unit (which is probably the number one reason why the unit sells
so well, sadly).  They chose a serial EEPROM chip (the main non-volitile
storage chip - permanent memory) which is only 2Kbytes big.  This is a $1.50
chip. For about $3.00 they could have used a pin-for-pin chip from the same
manufacturer which is 64Kbytes big (32 times the storage for only twice the
price).  Note for all you tweakers that this is a tiny surface mount chip
soldered directly on the board, so its not easy for a trained tech to
change, let alone a random user.

Because the chose a tiny little wimpy memory chip, they had to jump through
a lot of hoops in implimentation to get 10 banks of midi data storage out of
it.  Basically they do not have room to store the data direcly as midi data,
they have a simple compression scheme which only allows for their idea of
usefull midi data assignments.  Their data storage routine is SEVERELY
CRIPPLED.  There is no possible way to support multiple midi channels for an
expression pedal, no way to support sending note messages to more than one
midi device, and most importantly, no way to support sending arbitrary
strings from a button press.  Unfortunately, the way they've designed it,
without a complete code redesign, this cannot change.

If they redesigned the firmware implimentation (and this would be a huge
redesign effort) they could support these things a la the PMC controller.
However they'd still have the upper limitation of 2K of non-volitile data,
which would mean something more like only being able to use 2 or 3 banks
rather than 10.

I think this is one more case of a marketing department compromising the
overall quality of a final product.  By saving that extra $1.50 on the cost
of goods, they forced their designers to severely compromise the
functionality of the product.  Who really knows what would have happened if
they put more memory in there, and released a product that could be upgraded
over time, but was more expensive.  Maybe they wouldn't have sold as many if
it was more expensive.  Or maybe there would be lots of people wanting to do
esoteric midi stuff drooling over it and buying two.  Basically you can't
have your tea and eat it too - either cost or functionality, its always a
big question.

Bottom line:  Keep sending your ideas to Behringer.  They need to know what
their customer wants so they can design good products.  But don't expect
results any time soon.  They've designed themselves into a cost cutting
corner, which they could only get out of by issuing new and improved
hardware.

Jon

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I'm looking for one, if you've got one.  Trade ya an FCB1010 for it, plus
some cash.  Or just the cash, if you prefer.

Just missed one on Ebay that had a Buy It Now of $180.  Doh!

-J

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Belew's comment was:
"Talking about music is like whistling about chickens"
and I agree with himŠsometimes.
-- 
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  It just so happens that I'll be in town that weekend, visiting family for
the holiday, shooting, and visiting with another LD'er to chat about the
-plex a bit.  So perhaps I'll be able to see this show.  Thanks for the
note.  

Smiles,

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hello again--

despite-or perhaps because of-the attention to color and form in my recent
message, there is a mistake on the time:

Node is actually playing from 10:45-11:30 pm.

--------

the rest is as before:

Node is a revolving group of collaborating musicians
playing improvisational music without boundaries.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

MOBIUS ARTRAGES! 
THE LEGENDARY ANNUAL ART PARTY

featuring music by The Dresden Dolls, Turkish Queen, Node, God-Sized Hole,
Magic Chopping Hummingbird, as well as many local performance, installation
and video artists 

more info:    http://world.std.com/~mobius/fall03/ar_03.html

Artrages takes place at:

368 Congress St., Boston
Saturday, November 22, 2003, 8 pm - 1 am

tickets:
$15 in advance, $20 at the door


schedule:

8:00 - 8:15 - David Miller

8:20 - 8:40 - Andrew Neumann

8:45 - 9:15 - Magic Chopping Hummingbird - Jeff Huckleberry, Vela Phelan

9:20 - 9:45 - God-Sized Hole - David Wildman, Hendrik Gideons, Patrick
Bastek

9:50 - 10:05 - Ross Hamlin

10:10 - 10:40 - Turkish Queen - Ajda the Turkish Queen,  S.J. Roi

10:45 - 11:30  - Node - Steve MacLean, Ken Field, Will Buchanan, Dan
Soltzberg, Jonathan LaMaster, Jed Speare, Jonathan Wobesky,  Viktor Lois

11:30 - 11:50 - Jamie McMurray

11:55 - 1:00 - Dresden Dolls - Amanda Palmer, Brian Viglione





More info via:







MOBIUS
    Boston's artist-run organization for experimental work in all media
        374 Congress St. 6th floor, Boston, MA. 02210
        phone 617-542-7416 fax 617-451-2910
            www.mobius.org






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hello again--



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Node is actually=
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Node is a =
revolving group of collaborating musicians

playing improvisational music without boundaries.

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MOBIUS ARTRAGES! 


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Artrages takes place at:




368 Congress St., Boston


Saturday, November 22, 2003, 8 pm - 1 am





tickets:


$15 in advance, $20 at the door






schedule:



8:00 - 8:15 - David Miller 



8:20 - 8:40 - Andrew Neumann 



8:45 - 9:15 - Magic Chopping Hummingbird - Jeff Huckleberry, Vela Phelan


9:20 - 9:45 - God-Sized Hole - David Wildman, Hendrik Gideons, Patrick Bast=
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9:50 - 10:05 - Ross Hamlin



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11:30 - 11:50 - Jamie McMurray



11:55 - 1:00 - Dresden Dolls - Amanda Palmer, Brian Viglione











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     Boston's artist-run organization for experimental =
work in all media

         374 Congress St. 6th floor=
, Boston, MA. 02210 

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John Mazzarella
    vocals/acoustic guitar/lap steel slide guitar/EDP loopage

Saturday, November 22nd, 10pm-12am @
        Tumulty's Pub
        361 George Street
        New Brunswick, NJ
        732-545-6205

Hope to see you at the show,
John
www.johnmazzarella.com

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"loop.pool" wrote:

> Hey John, about adding a cheap sampler to your EDP +,
>
> unless you want a second looper for longer ambient kinds of things,
> I highly recommend the DL-4 at $250.
>
> I love this device.  It is so simple to use and has a lot of options
> (half, double, backwards, forwards, one time trigger, addition of echoes
> with modulation
> and feedback options) not to mention the fact that it is a great  echo
> machine of the past emulator.
>
> I use an insert to go from my Mackie 1402VLZ board to my DL4 (well, through
> a Digitech Vocal300 first)
> and then back into the board where I use my EDP and my Repeater for
> resampling possibilities.
>
> It also has really good fidelity compared to and even besting some of the
> more expensive samplers, and it
> has two ins and two outs (that are not true stereo but still allow one to
> have to sources feed the machine).
>
> I love it John.   Try one out if you get a chance.      It is limited,
> unfortunately to 14 seconds of normal bandwidth looping but I use it
> primarily as either a groove looper or a phrase sampler so that doesn't bug
> me too much.
>
> yours,   rick walker (and hey, 90% of my last live cd was done using only 2
> of these models.........I got my first Repeater shortly before I put the CD
> out).

Thanks for the suggestion Rick.  I actually had a DL-4 that I traded to a
friend.  It had some problems with the switches.  I did consider getting
another one, and perhaps I still will.  It seems like the Boss RC-20 might suit
my needs a bit better.  My plan is to use the second looper primarily as a
vocal looper and an ambient looper, and use the EDP for the more rhythmic
stuff.

Thanks again,
John
www.johnmazzarella.com


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Ok my new EDP has four 4mb XP-8-  memory SIMMS
but i only have 66.6 seconds of memory.
1mb has 12.5 seconds of memory ain't it.
?????
also before the 66.6 seconds pops up on the display
there a 5.0   ?
also i can't find these simms anywhere
jeeez

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66.6 - It must be the Devil's doing. Did Kim sell his soul again?

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Ok my new EDP has four 4mb XP-8-  memory SIMMS
but i only have 66.6 seconds of memory.
1mb has 12.5 seconds of memory ain't it.
?????
also before the 66.6 seconds pops up on the display
there a 5.0   ?
also i can't find these simms anywhere
jeeez




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On 03-11-17 15.35,  "Louie Angulo"  wrote:

> Hi Per,
> What are you using instead of a mixer now?


- Knobs on device panels.
- Behringer FCB1010 foot board.
- UC-33 midi mixer (on certain occasions)

I'm repatching the devices from time to time but mostly I'm using the effect
send of the Repeater to send sound though a reverb or analog filter bank.
The filter bank has one mono- and one stereo channel and then there is also
an additional stereo input where I sometimes bring (audio from) A groove box
into the signal chain.

Well, strategies keep changing all the time but generally speaking I have
found out that a simple set-up with daisy-chained loopers controlled by midi
is more musically intuitive for me to use than a more complex set-up with a
mixer. I tend to trash things up in the EDP and record interesting stuff
into the Repeater (sometimes replaced by a laptop running Ableton Live) on
different tracks. One track is always dedicated for bass, tuned down one or
two octaves. I like picking the bass track  out from the repeater to run it
through the mono channel of the filter bank. I also like to use a compressor
on the master stereo bus and always inserted after any eventual reverb unit.
I like the sound to breath in the compressor and the reverb to swell
dynamically and cover up space between notes. When I was using a mixer I
tended to get a more sterile sound (not much pumping, swelling and such).

Sorry for this unstructured post but it's late and I'm hurrying up to gain
sleeping time before I have to wake up in the early morning.

Take care

per

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 Ahh, so I guess without soldering directly to the board, and without a
complete re-write of the code, it won't happen immediately. But don't give
up on your efforts! I (and I am sure several others) would gladly void our
warranty (mine is up now anyway), to make this thing do what we want. It is
too bad Behringer didn't ask people what they wanted in a midi
controller...I think we all would have paid $20 more for more memory, or the
ability to assign CCs per patch rather than globally. 
I have 1 exp pedal to control feedback in the EDP, 1 for the volume of my
synth...none left over for a wah. Woe is me.
Thank you for your continuing efforts to unravel this thing.

Dave Eichenberger 
http://www.hazardfactor.com
 
> Behringer cut a lot of corners, most likely to maintain some 
> overall target cost of the unit (which is probably the number 
> one reason why the unit sells so well, sadly).  They chose a 
> serial EEPROM chip (the main non-volitile storage chip - 
> permanent memory) which is only 2Kbytes big.  This is a $1.50 
> chip. For about $3.00 they could have used a pin-for-pin chip 
> from the same manufacturer which is 64Kbytes big (32 times 
> the storage for only twice the price).  Note for all you 
> tweakers that this is a tiny surface mount chip soldered 
> directly on the board, so its not easy for a trained tech to 
> change, let alone a random user.
> 
> Because the chose a tiny little wimpy memory chip, they had 
> to jump through a lot of hoops in implimentation to get 10 
> banks of midi data storage out of it.  Basically they do not 
> have room to store the data direcly as midi data, they have a 
> simple compression scheme which only allows for their idea of 
> usefull midi data assignments.  Their data storage routine is 
> SEVERELY CRIPPLED.  There is no possible way to support 
> multiple midi channels for an expression pedal, no way to 
> support sending note messages to more than one midi device, 
> and most importantly, no way to support sending arbitrary 
> strings from a button press.  Unfortunately, the way they've 
> designed it, without a complete code redesign, this cannot change.
> 
> If they redesigned the firmware implimentation (and this 
> would be a huge redesign effort) they could support these 
> things a la the PMC controller.
> However they'd still have the upper limitation of 2K of 
> non-volitile data, which would mean something more like only 
> being able to use 2 or 3 banks rather than 10.
> 
> I think this is one more case of a marketing department 
> compromising the overall quality of a final product.  By 
> saving that extra $1.50 on the cost of goods, they forced 
> their designers to severely compromise the functionality of 
> the product.  Who really knows what would have happened if 
> they put more memory in there, and released a product that 
> could be upgraded over time, but was more expensive.  Maybe 
> they wouldn't have sold as many if it was more expensive.  Or 
> maybe there would be lots of people wanting to do esoteric 
> midi stuff drooling over it and buying two.  Basically you 
> can't have your tea and eat it too - either cost or 
> functionality, its always a big question.
> 
> Bottom line:  Keep sending your ideas to Behringer.  They 
> need to know what their customer wants so they can design 
> good products.  But don't expect results any time soon.  
> They've designed themselves into a cost cutting corner, which 
> they could only get out of by issuing new and improved hardware.
> 
> Jon
> 

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> controller...I think we all would have paid $20 more for more memory, or
the
> ability to assign CCs per patch rather than globally.
> I have 1 exp pedal to control feedback in the EDP, 1 for the volume of my
> synth...none left over for a wah. Woe is me.
> Thank you for your continuing efforts to unravel this thing.
>

Wait.  Dave...

I think you *can* assign different CC's to the expression pedals, depending
on the patch you've chosen.  In fact, it's one of the things that makes
programming a bank full of patches on the FCB a PITA... each patch has to
have the expression pedal(s) turned on, and set to the appropriate CC#.
What you *can't* change is the MIDI channel that each one transmits on.

Or have I had a mental lapse? :)

Doug

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Greg House wrote:

>Yeah. I invented the guitar too, been playing it long before anyone =
else
figured it out>.

David Beardsley replied:
>What your step there: I invented the internet.>


You be careful too, David,  I'm not saying that I created all life on =
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No you are right...thats what I meant. I can't assign a different
channel...different CC#s, yes...
I haven't tried putting the EDP and my preamp on a channel, and sending
program change messages higher than 16 to my preamp (I can map the programs
around). Maybe this will get me around the limitation of 1 channel per
pedal. What does the EDP do if it gets a program change message higher than
16?

Dave Eichenberger 
http://www.hazardfactor.com 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] 
> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 9:01 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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> 
> > controller...I think we all would have paid $20 more for 
> more memory, 
> > or
> the
> > ability to assign CCs per patch rather than globally.
> > I have 1 exp pedal to control feedback in the EDP, 1 for 
> the volume of 
> > my synth...none left over for a wah. Woe is me.
> > Thank you for your continuing efforts to unravel this thing.
> >
> 
> Wait.  Dave...
> 
> I think you *can* assign different CC's to the expression 
> pedals, depending on the patch you've chosen.  In fact, it's 
> one of the things that makes programming a bank full of 
> patches on the FCB a PITA... each patch has to have the 
> expression pedal(s) turned on, and set to the appropriate CC#.
> What you *can't* change is the MIDI channel that each one 
> transmits on.
> 
> Or have I had a mental lapse? :)
> 
> Doug
> 

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Per said something disparaging about the Behringer mixers and I have to
concur:

Behringer bascially reverse engineered the Mackie boards and then built =
them
EXACTLY the same and only cut cost on one set of items:     the VLZ =
preamps
which
are just amazingly transparent and wonderful (no coloration at all).

That's why they sell for a couple of hundred dollars less than the =
Mackies.

I have to say that I think the Mackie 1202vlz or the Mackie 1402vlz =
boards
are some of the best bang
for the buck out there.

Behringer makes some great things:   the FCB1010 mid footpedals are =
amazing
for the price
but the mixers are noisy............be forwarned!

rick

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items:     the VLZ preamps
which
are just =
amazingly=20
transparent and wonderful (no coloration at all).

That's why they =
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I have to =
say that=20
I think the Mackie 1202vlz or the Mackie 1402vlz boards
are some of =
the best=20
bang
for the buck out there.

Behringer makes some great=20
things:   the FCB1010 mid footpedals are amazing
for the=20
price
but the mixers are noisy............be=20
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(Re: Mp3.com being sold to CNET)

Yeah, they sent us all an email, saying that they were sold, and that there 
would be radical changes in their artists services. All artists with paid 
memberships will have the memberships automatically cancel in November. All 
artists with over $25 in earnings will get them via check.

Also, they're giving CNET a clean slate. They're removing ALL the music 
content before handing it over. Not sure if CNET is interested in making it 
better or worse.

_________________________________________________________________
Compare high-speed Internet plans, starting at $26.95.  
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This recent discussion of foot controllers has once again started me 
looking at expanding beyond the simple FS300 I use with my 
Repeater.  However, I seem to keep running into the same issue regarding 
the flexibility of programming the expression pedals.

My problem is simple: I'm looking for a foot pedal that will let me program 
its expression pedal continuous controller information as well as its MIDI 
channel on a per-patch basis.  For example, if I select patch 15, I could 
have Expression Pedal #A set up to control Volume for the device on MIDI 
channel 2 (in addition to any other program change and/or CC information 
spit out by that patch).  When I jump to patch 16, however, I need that 
same Expression Pedal #A to control Aftertouch on MIDI channel 13.

Are there any *currently manufactured* MIDI foot controllers that implement 
this simple function?  (and yep, i could probably go ebay sniping for used 
gear, but i'd feel more comfortable with new gear in this one circumstance 
if at all possible).

I'd so far been seriously considering either the Behringer FCB1010 or the 
Yamaha MFC10, but (as has been discussed here in the case of the Behringer) 
both of them seem to be afflicted with an inability to support this.  Ack!

TIA!!!

         -c-

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At 04:02 AM 11/17/2003, cameronstreet wrote:
>Ok my new EDP has four 4mb XP-8-  memory SIMMS
>but i only have 66.6 seconds of memory.

It sounds like you have 3 loops set up. (MoreLoops = 3). the memory is 
divided up between them.

>also before the 66.6 seconds pops up on the display
>there a 5.0   ?

LoopIII version 5.0

kim


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>
>My problem is simple: I'm looking for a foot pedal that will let me 
>program its expression pedal continuous controller information as 
>well as its MIDI channel on a per-patch basis.  For example, if I 
>select patch 15, I could have Expression Pedal #A set up to control 
>Volume for the device on MIDI channel 2 (in addition to any other 
>program change and/or CC information spit out by that patch).  When 
>I jump to patch 16, however, I need that same Expression Pedal #A to 
>control Aftertouch on MIDI channel 13.

I'm pretty sure a Ground Control Pro (or Rocktron All Access) and 
Boss (maybe also Ernie Ball) expression pedal can do it. Right? 
Anyone else care to correct me if I'm wrong?

Jeff

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Three gigs and a clinic in Northern California this week, with myself
(http://www.altruistmusic.com) and Jon Wagner (http://www.jondrums.com):

1) Thursday, Nov. 20th, 7:30 - 9:30

A sort of semi-secret "warm up" show in an informal spot in Mountain
View - email jondrums (at) hotmail (dot) com or altruist (at) earthlink
(dot) net for details and location.  

2) Friday, Nov. 21st, 8:00 PM - 10:30 PM (note new start time!)

The Mountain View Looping Music Show and Bay Area CD Release
Starz Dance Studio, 223 Moffet Blvd, Mountain View, CA
$10.00 cover, no one turned away for lack of funds.

3) Saturday, November 22 - two events, hosted by Kim Flint!

Echoplex Clinic, 4:00pm
3150 Adeline St. (at 32nd)
Oakland, CA
$10 door charge

Concert, 8:00pm
3150 Adeline St. (at 32nd)
Oakland, CA
$10 door charge, or $5 if you also attend the afternoon clinic
(nobody turned away for lack of funds)

Each gig will include solo and duo sets from myself and Jon.  The
Saturday afternoon clinic will be include talk about different
mutliple-EDP functions and parameters, but any questions or subjects are welcome.

Hope to see some of you there!

--Andre LaFosse
The Echoplex Analysis Pages:
http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP

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>>For example, if I select patch 15, I could have Expression Pedal #A set up to control Volume for the device on MIDI channel 2 (in addition to any other program change and/or CC information spit out by that patch).  When I jump to patch 16, however, I need that same Expression Pedal #A to control Aftertouch on MIDI channel 13.<<

what we all need is for peavey to make a version of the pc1600 that lives on the floor, or for someone to go into the business of customising the hardware around the pc1600 board. actually, I'd be able to live with maybe three or four of the faders turned into pedals, and maybe ten of the switches. the rest of the thing could live at the end of a pole above the floor unit.... it would be a simple matter to adapt the pc1600 in this way- some stereo jack sockets to let you plug pedals in instead of the last few faders, and a big multiway connector wired in parallel with the last few switches.

something like the behringer fcb1010 could be vandalised to provide the necessary hardware. ;-)

on the other hand- maybe there's a way to use them together without drilling any holes. does anyone know if the pc1600x does anything to incoming CC's, like remap them? my pc1600 is ten this year, and a bit out of date....

d.


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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>>>For example, if I select patch 15, I could have E=
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>what we all need is for peavey to make a version of the p=
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   Hi all,
 
not sure if many people from the list are going tomorrow to the gig, but
i'll be there. if anyone wants to meet up for a drink before the
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     In response to the statement that Behringer could have used a $3.00 chip instead of a $1.50
chip...  I wonder what the actual cost to the consumer would be with a $1.50 increase in materials
cost?  Of course, $1.50 doesn't sound like much to concern yourself with, though if it did make a
$20 price increase at the end, this is a significant thing to factor in (from the marketing point
of view anyway).  Does anyone have a sense of this?  Kim??? others???

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I've heard it said that COG*4 is what it ends up costing the consumer, so
maybe $12.00?

-cpr

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>     In response to the statement that Behringer could have used a $3.00
>chip instead of a $1.50
>chip...  I wonder what the actual cost to the consumer would be with a
$1.50
>increase in materials
>cost?  Of course, $1.50 doesn't sound like much to concern yourself with,
>though if it did make a
>$20 price increase at the end, this is a significant thing to factor in
(from
>the marketing point
>of view anyway).  Does anyone have a sense of this?  Kim??? others???
>
>     Stephen
>
> 
><cost of the unit (which is probably the number one reason why the unit
sells
>so well, sadly).  They chose a serial EEPROM chip (the main non-volitile
>storage chip - permanent memory) which is only 2Kbytes big.  This is a
$1.50
>chip. For about $3.00 they could have used a pin-for-pin chip from the
same
>manufacturer which is 64Kbytes big (32 times the storage for only twice
the
>price).  Note for all you tweakers that this is a tiny surface mount chip
>soldered directly on the board, so its not easy for a trained tech to
>change, let alone a random user.>>
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4 * COG sounds about right. Only the cost *impact* would have been 6$ (4 x 
the incremental cost).

EEPROMs of this type should actually be a bit cheaper even, sub 1$ in 10k 
type volumes.

However without knowing (from the product architecture) what *scales with* 
the size of this EEPROM, it's hard to estimate the total cost impact - but 
it unlikely to be limited to the component alone. More message storage 
implies more variables for the microprocessor to manage, implying possibly 
more RAM, larger code size (larger micro / code ROM), possibly more complex 
code (-->larger project scope so higher initial/organizational cost).

All of this would have eaten up margin / earn-back rate, given a viable 
market-tested price point, which is the mechanism by which to recoup 
development cost. Etc, etc.... Nic


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>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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>Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:35:09 -0800
>
>I've heard it said that COG*4 is what it ends up costing the consumer, so
>maybe $12.00?
>
>-cpr
>
> >-- Original Message --
> >Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:18:07 -0800 (PST)
> >From: S V G 
> >Subject: Re: FCB1010 cutting corners
> >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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> >
> >
> >
> >     In response to the statement that Behringer could have used a $3.00
> >chip instead of a $1.50
> >chip...  I wonder what the actual cost to the consumer would be with a
>$1.50
> >increase in materials
> >cost?  Of course, $1.50 doesn't sound like much to concern yourself with,
> >though if it did make a
> >$20 price increase at the end, this is a significant thing to factor in
>(from
> >the marketing point
> >of view anyway).  Does anyone have a sense of this?  Kim??? others???
> >
> >     Stephen
> >
> >
> ><target
> >cost of the unit (which is probably the number one reason why the unit
>sells
> >so well, sadly).  They chose a serial EEPROM chip (the main non-volitile
> >storage chip - permanent memory) which is only 2Kbytes big.  This is a
>$1.50
> >chip. For about $3.00 they could have used a pin-for-pin chip from the
>same
> >manufacturer which is 64Kbytes big (32 times the storage for only twice
>the
> >price).  Note for all you tweakers that this is a tiny surface mount chip
> >soldered directly on the board, so its not easy for a trained tech to
> >change, let alone a random user.>>
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RE: Controllers & Expression Pedals (was: FCB1010 wishlist)I have a =
PC1600X and I learned from someone on this list that you can set it up =
to have its buttons triggered by another MIDI controller (e.g. an =
FCB1010), which turns it into a really powerful MIDI foot controller.  =
If your feet aren't MIDI capable, then I don't know what to tell you. =20

Also, if you are brave, or skilled, or foolish this mod for adding 16 =
external controller inputs to the PC1600X might interest you:=20

http://www.music.columbia.edu/~douglas/pc1600mod/pc1600mod.html

Rock.

-J




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  >>For example, if I select patch 15, I could have Expression Pedal #A =
set up to control Volume for the device on MIDI channel 2 (in addition =
to any other program change and/or CC information spit out by that =
patch).  When I jump to patch 16, however, I need that same Expression =
Pedal #A to control Aftertouch on MIDI channel 13.<<

  what we all need is for peavey to make a version of the pc1600 that =
lives on the floor, or for someone to go into the business of =
customising the hardware around the pc1600 board. actually, I'd be able =
to live with maybe three or four of the faders turned into pedals, and =
maybe ten of the switches. the rest of the thing could live at the end =
of a pole above the floor unit.... it would be a simple matter to adapt =
the pc1600 in this way- some stereo jack sockets to let you plug pedals =
in instead of the last few faders, and a big multiway connector wired in =
parallel with the last few switches.

  something like the behringer fcb1010 could be vandalised to provide =
the necessary hardware. ;-)=20

  on the other hand- maybe there's a way to use them together without =
drilling any holes. does anyone know if the pc1600x does anything to =
incoming CC's, like remap them? my pc1600 is ten this year, and a bit =
out of date....

  d.

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RE: Controllers & Expression Pedals (was: FCB1010 =
wishlist)






I have a PC1600X and I learned from =
someone on this=20
list that you can set it up to have its buttons triggered by another =
MIDI=20
controller (e.g. an FCB1010), which turns it into a really=20
powerful MIDI foot controller.  If your feet aren't MIDI =
capable, then=20
I don't know what to tell you.  


 


Also, if you are brave, or skilled, or=20
foolish this mod for adding 16 external controller inputs to the =
PC1600X=20
might interest you: 


 


=
http://www.music.columbia.edu/~douglas/pc1600mod/pc1600mod.html


 


Rock.


 


-J


 


 


 


 


  
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Sent: Tuesday, November 18, =
2003 4:38=20
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Subject: RE: Controllers & =
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>>For example, if I select patch 15, I could =
have=20
  Expression Pedal #A set up to control Volume for the device on MIDI =
channel 2=20
  (in addition to any other program change and/or CC information spit =
out by=20
  that patch).  When I jump to patch 16, however, I need that same=20
  Expression Pedal #A to control Aftertouch on MIDI channel=20
  13.<<

  
what we all need is for peavey to make a version of =
the pc1600=20
  that lives on the floor, or for someone to go into the business of =
customising=20
  the hardware around the pc1600 board. actually, I'd be able to live =
with maybe=20
  three or four of the faders turned into pedals, and maybe ten of the =
switches.=20
  the rest of the thing could live at the end of a pole above the floor =
unit....=20
  it would be a simple matter to adapt the pc1600 in this way- some =
stereo jack=20
  sockets to let you plug pedals in instead of the last few faders, and =
a big=20
  multiway connector wired in parallel with the last few =
switches.

  
something like the behringer fcb1010 could be =
vandalised to=20
  provide the necessary hardware. ;-) 

  
on the other hand- maybe there's a way to use them =
together=20
  without drilling any holes. does anyone know if the pc1600x does =
anything to=20
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EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each =
Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in =
Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.

                    Show #347                    November 13, 2003

RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Vir Unis, sculptor of =
sound
worlds and grooves.  The Featured CD at Midnight was "Pulse N Atmo" on =
the
Groove label.

The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Vienna" by Ultravox on Chrysalis.

I played the music of Orbital Decay to promote their appearance with the
Ministry of Inside Things the November 15th Gathering.  I also played =
music by
David Forlano of Plankton and the music of Xeroid Entity, two of the =
bands
which will play at the next Gate to Moonbase Alpha.  Check the Events =
page for
details.

Vir Unis - =
http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#nov
Events - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/events.html


PLAYLIST:

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
11:00 pm
Ultravox                Herr X                   Vienna (Chrysalis)
Orbital Decay           Midnight                 Orbital Decay (none)
Gert Emmens             Obscure Moments in       Obscure Moments in =
Twilight
                          Shades                   Shades (Groove)
Patrick O'Hearn         Chance                   Beautiful World =
(Patrick
                                                   O'Hearn)
David Forlano           Track #5                 Ambient + Drone (none)
Xeroid Entity           Dione *                  Moons of Saturn =
(Electromusic)
Vir Unis                Ghost in the Bubble      Pulse N Atmo (Groove)
Vir Unis                Doppleganger             Pulse N Atmo (Groove)

12:00 am
Vir Unis                Spoon Bender             Pulse N Atmo (Groove)
Vir Unis                Black Locust Beach       Pulse N Atmo (Groove)
Vir Unis                Good Morning Blowfish    Pulse N Atmo (Groove)
Vir Unis                Mind Blind Ride          Pulse N Atmo (Groove)
Vir Unis                Rinse                    Pulse N Atmo (Groove)
Vir Unis                Alpha State              Pulse N Atmo (Groove)
Vir Unis                Logan                    Pulse N Atmo (Groove)
Vir Unis                Tweak the Pulse          Pulse N Atmo (Groove)
Vir Unis                Transmission at Banner   Pulse N Atmo (Groove)
                          March
Vir Unis                We Are the Sun's Dream   Pulse N Atmo (Groove)

1:00 am

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NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Vir Unis.  The
Featured CD at Midnight will be "Gathering 33" on the Space for Music =
label.

The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "In the Gardens of Pharao/Aquirre" =
by
Popol Vuh on Celestial Harmonies.

I will play the music from some of the bands that will be performing at =
the
upcoming Gate to Moonbase Alpha.

Bill
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Easton
and Phillipsburg.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org  and click  =
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EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs =
each=20
Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and =
93.9 FM=20
in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.


 


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    Show #347       =20
            November 13, =
2003


 


RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Vir =
Unis,=20
sculptor of sound
worlds and grooves.  The Featured CD at =
Midnight was=20
"Pulse N Atmo" on the
Groove label.


 


The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Vienna" by Ultravox on =
Chrysalis.


 


I played the music of Orbital Decay to promote their appearance =
with=20
the
Ministry of Inside Things the November 15th Gathering.  I =
also=20
played music by
David Forlano of Plankton and the music of Xeroid =
Entity, two=20
of the bands
which will play at the next Gate to Moonbase =
Alpha.  Check=20
the Events page for
details.


 


Vir Unis - =
http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#nov
Ev=
ents=20
- http://wdiy.org/prog=
rams/emusic/events.html


 



PLAYLIST:


 


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pm
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Herr=20
X            =
      =20
Vienna (Chrysalis)
Orbital=20
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Midnight           =
;     =20
Orbital Decay (none)
Gert=20
Emmens           &=
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in=20
Twilight
          &=
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bsp;  =20
Shades           &=
nbsp;      =20
Shades (Groove)
Patrick=20
O'Hearn        =20
Chance           &=
nbsp;      =20
Beautiful World=20
(Patrick
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nbsp;           &n=
bsp;           &nb=
sp;           &nbs=
p;   =20
O'Hearn)
David=20
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*            =
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Moons of Saturn (Electromusic)
Vir=20
Unis           &nb=
sp;   =20
Ghost in the Bubble      Pulse N Atmo =
(Groove)
Vir=20
Unis           &nb=
sp;   =20
Doppleganger          &=
nbsp; =20
Pulse N Atmo (Groove)


 


12:00 am
Vir=20
Unis           &nb=
sp;   =20
Spoon=20
Bender           &=
nbsp;=20
Pulse N Atmo (Groove)
Vir=20
Unis           &nb=
sp;   =20
Black Locust Beach       Pulse N Atmo=20
(Groove)
Vir=20
Unis           &nb=
sp;   =20
Good Morning Blowfish    Pulse N Atmo (Groove)
Vir=20
Unis           &nb=
sp;   =20
Mind Blind Ride          =
Pulse N=20
Atmo (Groove)
Vir=20
Unis           &nb=
sp;   =20
Rinse           &n=
bsp;       =20
Pulse N Atmo (Groove)
Vir=20
Unis           &nb=
sp;   =20
Alpha=20
State           &n=
bsp; =20
Pulse N Atmo (Groove)
Vir=20
Unis           &nb=
sp;   =20
Logan           &n=
bsp;       =20
Pulse N Atmo (Groove)
Vir=20
Unis           &nb=
sp;   =20
Tweak the Pulse          =
Pulse N=20
Atmo (Groove)
Vir=20
Unis           &nb=
sp;   =20
Transmission at Banner   Pulse N Atmo=20
(Groove)
          &=
nbsp;           &n=
bsp;  =20
March
Vir=20
Unis           &nb=
sp;   =20
We Are the Sun's Dream   Pulse N Atmo (Groove)


 


1:00 am


 


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VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
++ =
=3D Advance CDR=20
from Artist


 



NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long =
focus on=20
Vir Unis.  The
Featured CD at Midnight will be "Gathering 33" on =
the=20
Space for Music label.


 


The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "In the Gardens of =
Pharao/Aquirre"=20
by
Popol Vuh on Celestial Harmonies.


 


I will play the music from some of the bands that will be =
performing at=20
the
upcoming Gate to Moonbase Alpha.


 


Bill
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Host=20
of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient,  and space music show,  =
Thursdays=20
at 11
pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and =
93.9 FM in=20
Easton
and Phillipsburg.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org  and click =20
LISTEN
EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic<=
/A>
To=20
subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This =
Group!]=20
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When I find "it would be a simple matter"  and "big multiway connector" 
in the same sentence, I have to chuckle.


TravisH


On Tuesday, November 18, 2003, at 06:01 PM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com 
wrote:
>

>
> what we all need is for peavey to make a version of the pc1600 that 
> lives on the floor, or for someone to go into the business of 
> customising the hardware around the pc1600 board. actually, I'd be 
> able to live with maybe three or four of the faders turned into 
> pedals, and maybe ten of the switches. the rest of the thing could 
> live at the end of a pole above the floor unit.... it would be a 
> simple matter to adapt the pc1600 in this way- some stereo jack 
> sockets to let you plug pedals in instead of the last few faders, and 
> a big multiway connector wired in parallel with the last few switches.
>
> something like the behringer fcb1010 could be vandalised to provide 
> the necessary hardware. ;-)
>
> on the other hand- maybe there's a way to use them together without 
> drilling any holes. does anyone know if the pc1600x does anything to 
> incoming CC's, like remap them? my pc1600 is ten this year, and a bit 
> out of date....
>
> d.

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> I've heard it said that COG*4 is what it ends up costing the consumer, so
> maybe $12.00?

> >chip...  I wonder what the actual cost to the consumer would be with a
> $1.50
> >increase in materials
> >cost?

keep in mind that the $1.50 versus $3.00 is what I could buy the chip for in
quantities of 100's.  They possibly could have gotten the chips for half
that.  I just threw out the prices to show that for twice the cost they
could've had 30 times the storage space.
Jon


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> From: Steve Lawson [mailto:steve@steve-lawson.co.uk]

> I also think that a lot of musicians are just too into making music to
> bother discussing it endlessly online. I'm sure there are players whose
> approach to learning about a form is to read product reviews,
> listen to some artists, then just futz around with the gear until they
> get a vibe, rather than come here and ask questions about the nature of
> looping. Or they'll ask them to specific players who are lurking elsewhere
> on the net. A lot of the people who use looping that I know are using DL4s
> and Headrushes and RC-20s for some pretty basic functions, so the notion
> of a loop list is kind of a like 'Chorus Delight' or 'Tremelo Delight' to
> them - it just doesn't get under the radar.

I agree... I think that's a big part of the "where are the other loopers"
question!

I know of a half-dozen looping guitar players on the jazz guitar Usenet
group, and another half-dozen or so on the acoustic guitar Usenet group.
I've mentioned Looper's Delight as a resource several times, but they'll
probably never show up here as full-time participants.

These musicians use looping to simulate a backup musician in traditional
song formats. They're not interested in ambient regenerative loops, or
topics discussed in the "Why use 2 loopers?" thread like sliding two loops
against each other in pitch or time. That's a totally foreign concept.
They're using loopers as basic tools, like a distortion or chorus pedal.
It's a way to solo on top of a chord sequence.

So there's two things going on here... they don't NEED a deep discussion of
looping techniques, and two, they probably can't relate to the predominantly
ambient/texture (or whatever the heck you call it) musical style of many
musicians on this list.

P.S. I'm a 'trad song format looper, and I have no problem with what I see
as a pretty strong "ambient/texture/soundscape" bias on this list. I just
cherry-pick the topics I'm interested in. But I skip a lot of stuff, just
because I don't have TIME to interact fully, and the ambient stuff isn't my
personal thing.

--
Mike Barrs

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> From: Lance Chance [mailto:lrc8918@louisiana.edu]

> hello,
>
> i think that a big reason to ask these questions is to inspire dialogue
> about this sound design method.   it ain't exactly easy to compare notes
> about my craft at the local hootenanny.   i mean, it can be a little
> daunting to try and discuss looping with a guy who thinks you're
> cheating if
> you use more than 6 strings and some japanese pressboard.   even more
> prevalent are listeners who's primary response is "hell, that don't sound
> like 'skinnard'" and to whom "you're jes makin that up as you go
> along" is a
> negative criticism.  while i do not live in a technological
> mecca, i suspect
> that most people on this list have similar problems.


LOL! No kidding. I live in a small town in the Pacific Northwest, and it's
extremely musician-friendly. You can't shake a stick without hitting a
guitar player, fiddler, hand drummer, or some other musician.

But it's an extremely ACOUSTIC oriented area. We have three weekly open mic
venues in this small town, and they are literally "open mics." Nobody plugs
in a guitar pickup, ever. Local musicians play into mics, with no effects.
Everyone plays old, beat-up acoustic guitars. Everyone drives old, beat up
Volkswagens and Volvos. The older, the better. This place is the exact
opposite of a "technological mecca."

I haven't tested the local waters... we just moved here recently and we're
still settling into the local scene. But I think a looping performance can
still work in a place like this, if it's musically interesting, and based on
acoustic sources. The key there is "acoustic sources." I'd rather loop
electric guitar, because I have a lot more tonal possibilities with my
Roland VG-88. But I think maybe using an acoustic guitar, and slapping on
the guitar for percussion, can help "sell" the looping concept to a
technologically conservative audience.

--
Mike Barrs

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hi,

id like to try connecting my rfx midi buddy to my edp to activate 
directcontrol functions.  i've tried a number of things, including 
suggestions in the ld archives, but it didnt solve my problem of getting the 
edp to respond to my rfx controller.

[both devices on same channel, edp on controlsource=36, tried using midiout 
*and* share ports of rfx... ]

please, any ideas?

thanks,
d

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-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Barrs [mailto:mbarrs@nightviewer.com]
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I know of a half-dozen looping guitar players on the jazz guitar Usenet
group, and another half-dozen or so on the acoustic guitar Usenet group.
I've mentioned Looper's Delight as a resource several times, but they'll
probably never show up here as full-time participants.

These musicians use looping to simulate a backup musician in traditional
song formats. They're not interested in ambient regenerative loops, or
topics discussed in the "Why use 2 loopers?" thread like sliding two loops
against each other in pitch or time. That's a totally foreign concept.
They're using loopers as basic tools, like a distortion or chorus pedal.
It's a way to solo on top of a chord sequence.

So there's two things going on here... they don't NEED a deep discussion of
looping techniques, and two, they probably can't relate to the predominantly
ambient/texture (or whatever the heck you call it) musical style of many
musicians on this list.

P.S. I'm a 'trad song format looper, and I have no problem with what I see
as a pretty strong "ambient/texture/soundscape" bias on this list. I just
cherry-pick the topics I'm interested in. But I skip a lot of stuff, just
because I don't have TIME to interact fully, and the ambient stuff isn't my
personal thing.

----->I too usually try to play song forms that I think people can follow,
but I am starting to consider a different approach--partially because of a
quote I read from an interview with the comedian Steven Wright.  He was
talking about an art teacher he had in college--evidently SW is also a
painter--who was critical of SW's too realistic approach to painting,
saying, "That's what photographs are for."
So maybe the other loopers will eventually have a reason to search--I know I
found this list four years ago when I was starting to really try to get the
Jamman to do what I wanted, using Cakewalk on a laptop to help trigger
it--never did give me what the EDPs do . . .
Also of note: I will be playing a Southern California wildfire benefit this
Saturday from 3 to 4:30 pm at Dad's Restaurant in Poway, CA (12735 Poway
Road, Poway, CA 92064)--and I will have my loopers with me--probably only be
brave enough to do between song noodling with them, rather than a full
onslaught--but who knows what will happen if list members show up to
encourage me!
Gary


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Saturday November 22 from 1 to 2:30 pm at Dad's Restaurant in Poway, CA
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> I am starting to consider a different approach

yes gary.....please go on.....:)m

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--- Dani Oore  wrote:
> id like to try connecting my rfx midi buddy to my
> edp to activate 
> directcontrol functions.  i've tried a number of
> things, including 
> suggestions in the ld archives, but it didnt solve
> my problem of getting the 
> edp to respond to my rfx controller.

Just from looking at the RFX website, I don't think
the MidiBuddy is going to work with the EDP. You need
a midi controller that is capable of sending midi cc
and/or midi note messages. The switches also have to
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In a message dated 11/18/03 11:56:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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I am starting to consider a different approach

yes gary.....please go on.....:)m

------->Well, ya know . . . most folks like songs, with words they can
relate to--but in my solitude, I pretty much just make crap up, like most of
the rest of you--certainly not doo doo as fully realized as say Claude Voit
or Andre LaFosse or perhaps Mark Sotillaro, but spontaneous shit
nonetheless.
So this weekend at the craft festival in Vegas, when I did my loop
presentation I noodled jes' like in private--I did play Frere Jacques to
demonstarte the concepts, as well as the first cut from Claude's solo album,
that six note guitar knuckle buster, and Sweet Georgia Brown, but I did not
sing--and no harmonica while I record a rhythm track (hey, I do recommend
that for you acoustic guitar guys tho, most of whom probably already use
this trick with vocals).  In other words, I trusted my audience more.  And
that's different than the one man band I have worked out with the Ztar, a
tone module and a drum module and two EDPs that emulates a band.  Scuse me
while I put the caps on--
THAT'S WHAT THE SEQUENCES ARE FOR!  OK, caps off--but my point is, if the
audience wants me to "put a record on", any impromptu delay generated
performance is less appropriate . . . not that "covers" are not for loopers,
just that the DJ/karaoke crowd places greatest value on the most faithful
reproduction.
Ultimately any artist must be true to themselves, and live loop based music
is intrinsically truthful (hey, let's start a thread about that).  I guess
that would be the different approach--letting go of any expectations of
audience comprehensibility.
So I will still generate drums and bass and play guitar with the Ztar
setup--but I will probably not try to cover Sweet Home Alabama or On The
Road Again--it does no good and it annoys the pig.
Gary


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Just from looking at the RFX website, I don't think
the MidiBuddy is going to work with the EDP. You need
a midi controller that is capable of sending midi cc
and/or midi note messages. The switches also have to
be able to function as momentary switches.

John

----->Doesn't have to be momentary, but that is a nice addition.  Just has
to be able to send note on and off.
Gary


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Hi all !

I'm a newbie in loop's world.

I started loops with a Boss RC-20, and now i use a JamMan, it's a great 
machine !!!

To listen my music you can go on my website : http://korma.free.fr (french 
version only, sorry !), but there's vidéos and mp3 with loops, guitar and 
stick chapman !!!

I'm very happy to enter in this area !!!

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In defense of the FCB, it is *much* less expensive than solutions like 
the switchblade, which (as far as I can tell from the literature) does 
absolutely everything, including sending out 'bursts' of MIDI 
controllers/notes etc. across multiple channels, which is probably what 
many people on this list are looking for in a controller.

I would love the FCB to be able to do more, especially send out more 
than 2 CCs at a time, and I also find the whole idea of burning eproms 
almost medieval, but again for the price, (in my opinion) it's still an 
excellent device, and a reasonably flexible solution to controlling 
multiple devices.

cheers




Paul

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--- Relay  wrote:
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> ----->Doesn't have to be momentary, but that is a
> nice addition.  Just has
> to be able to send note on and off.
> Gary

Wouldn't that qualify as behaving like a momentary
switch? It sends a note on when you press & a note
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Welcome Francois Welcome !!

At last I'm not alone !

Je te recontacte en direct.

A bientot

F


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Hi all !

I'm a newbie in loop's world.

I started loops with a Boss RC-20, and now i use a JamMan, it's a great 
machine !!!

To listen my music you can go on my website : http://korma.free.fr (french 
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   Hi all,
 
not sure if many people from the list are going tomorrow to the gig, but i'll be there. if anyone wants to meet up for a drink before the concert, just drop me a line at mj197@imperial.ac.uk  
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Ill be at the Birmingham one, if anyone is going
 
David Swain
 
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I'll be there, resplendent in LD t-shirt.
d.
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   Hi all,
 
not sure if many people from the list are going tomorrow to the gig, but
i'll be there. if anyone wants to meet up for a drink before the
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 >> if you are brave, or skilled, or foolish this mod for adding 16 external controller inputs to the PC1600X might interest you: 
 
http://www.music.columbia.edu/~douglas/pc1600mod/pc1600mod.html   <<<
 
um- yeah, that's more or less what I meant... I think I've seen this page before. I remember thinking 
a) yes, that's what I would've done, use the existing faders to scale the voltage available to the pedals, and
b) why didn't he use stereo jacks that reconnect the fader when the plug is pulled out?
I've done exactly the same modification to a few midi keyboards to add a pedal/socket to the volume control. it's absolutely beyond me why evolution/roland/whomever would leave this feature off of otherwise reasonably good midi controller keyboards. the cost of a stereo jack socket, for god's sake. arranged so that the volume control works normally when there's no pedal, and so that it scales the max vol when there is a pedal.
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RE: Controllers & Expression Pedals (was: FCB1010 wishlist)






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I'll be at London, Oxford and Birmingham - see you there!

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--- Relay  wrote:
>
> ----->Doesn't have to be momentary, but that is a
> nice addition.  Just has
> to be able to send note on and off.
> Gary

Wouldn't that qualify as behaving like a momentary
switch? It sends a note on when you press & a note
off when you release?

John

----->Good point.  I am generalizing . . . the PMC-10 can act as a momentary
and do just that, but for example, if you do that with the record message,
the unit resets itself waiting for the note off (thinks it's a long press).
So one must send note on and off with a single string.  And that is not a
switch being used as a momentary.
None of the seven EFC-7 commands needs to be a MIDI momentary switch--all
can be effected with a single string of sysx.  The PC-1600 can do this--be
configured with single sring presses to simulate front panel control.

Relay


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Why would you compare the FCB to a Switchblade?  Are you talking about 
Sound Sculpture switchblades?  That's like comparing a car to a house... 
apples and oranges...  The switchblade is able to send program changes 
(maybe more), but it is not a controller.  In that sense it is like a MIDI 
patch bay - you wouldn't use one as your controller.


At 01:07 AM 03/11/19, Paul Greenstein wrote:
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>switchblade, which (as far as I can tell from the literature) does 
>absolutely everything, including sending out 'bursts' of MIDI 
>controllers/notes etc. across multiple channels, which is probably what 
>many people on this list are looking for in a controller.

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vive les loops!

francois lebrun wrote:

>Welcome Francois Welcome !!
>
>At last I'm not alone !
>
>Je te recontacte en direct.
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>A bientot
>
>F
>
>
>-----Message d'origine-----
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>Hi all !
>
>I'm a newbie in loop's world.
>
>I started loops with a Boss RC-20, and now i use a JamMan, it's a great 
>machine !!!
>
>To listen my music you can go on my website : http://korma.free.fr (french 
>version only, sorry !), but there's videos and mp3 with loops, guitar and 
>stick chapman !!!
>
>I'm very happy to enter in this area !!!
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>MSN Search, le moteur de recherche qui pense comme vous !  
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> LOL! No kidding. I live in a small town in the Pacific Northwest, and it's
> extremely musician-friendly. You can't shake a stick without hitting a
> guitar player, fiddler, hand drummer, or some other musician.
>
> But it's an extremely ACOUSTIC oriented area. We have three weekly open mic
> venues in this small town, and they are literally "open mics." Nobody plugs
> in a guitar pickup, ever. Local musicians play into mics, with no effects.
> Everyone plays old, beat-up acoustic guitars. Everyone drives old, beat up
> Volkswagens and Volvos. The older, the better. This place is the exact
> opposite of a "technological mecca."
>
> I haven't tested the local waters... we just moved here recently and we're
> still settling into the local scene. But I think a looping performance can
> still work in a place like this, if it's musically interesting, and based on
> acoustic sources. The key there is "acoustic sources." I'd rather loop
> electric guitar, because I have a lot more tonal possibilities with my
> Roland VG-88. But I think maybe using an acoustic guitar, and slapping on
> the guitar for percussion, can help "sell" the looping concept to a
> technologically conservative audience.
>
> --
> Mike Barrs
>
Mike, your letter makes me wonder - Has anyone on this list heard one of Joseph
Arthur's live performances?   Now there's a guy selling looping on just an
acoustic guitar, playing songs.  His solo shows are in fact extremely moving in
a way that the "band" records can't quite match.

Todd Sickafoose

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LOL! No kidding. I live in a small town in the Pacific Northwest, and it's
extremely musician-friendly. You can't shake a stick without hitting a
guitar player, fiddler, hand drummer, or some other musician.

But it's an extremely ACOUSTIC oriented area. We have three weekly open mic
venues in this small town, and they are literally "open mics." Nobody plugs
in a guitar pickup, ever. Local musicians play into mics, with no effects.
Everyone plays old, beat-up acoustic guitars. Everyone drives old, beat up
Volkswagens and Volvos. The older, the better. This place is the exact
opposite of a "technological mecca."

I haven't tested the local waters... we just moved here recently and we're
still settling into the local scene. But I think a looping performance can
still work in a place like this, if it's musically interesting, and based on
acoustic sources. The key there is "acoustic sources." I'd rather loop
electric guitar, because I have a lot more tonal possibilities with my
Roland VG-88. But I think maybe using an acoustic guitar, and slapping on
the guitar for percussion, can help "sell" the looping concept to a
technologically conservative audience.

--
Mike Barrs





Mike, your letter makes me wonder - Has anyone on this list heard one
of Joseph Arthur's live performances?   Now there's a guy selling
looping on just an acoustic guitar, playing songs.  His solo shows
are in fact extremely moving in a way that the "band" records can't quite
match.

Todd Sickafoose

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Ok - I can appreciate the cars and houses analogy... I don't have any 
practical experience of the Switchblade at all, but the paragraph that 
caught my eye on their website was:

'The Switchblade can also operate as a central midi controller to send 
"scenes" or sets of presets to your other midi gear.                   
In this mode, select a preset and the Switchblade sends a burst of up 
to 16 different MIDI program changes over different midi channels (8 
for the Switchblade 8 and 8B). Of course this setting can be switched 
OFF too if you're already handling this capability.'

Obviously this is just one of the capabilities of these devices, and no 
doubt not even it's main selling point, but it does seem to fit the 
definition of a controller - no? I'm open to corrections here if I'm 
misreading...


cheers


Paul


On Wednesday, November 19, 2003, at 04:12  pm, Sean Echevarria wrote:

> Why would you compare the FCB to a Switchblade?  Are you talking about 
> Sound Sculpture switchblades?  That's like comparing a car to a 
> house... apples and oranges...  The switchblade is able to send 
> program changes (maybe more), but it is not a controller.  In that 
> sense it is like a MIDI patch bay - you wouldn't use one as your 
> controller.
>
>
> At 01:07 AM 03/11/19, Paul Greenstein wrote:
>> In defense of the FCB, it is *much* less expensive than solutions 
>> like the switchblade, which (as far as I can tell from the 
>> literature) does absolutely everything, including sending out 
>> 'bursts' of MIDI controllers/notes etc. across multiple channels, 
>> which is probably what many people on this list are looking for in a 
>> controller.
>
>

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This is from John Zorn listserve, may be of interest for you (lucky) 
Brits who get to see these show. Hey, I guess it's your reward for 
putting up with our alleged president at the moment...

When I first heard about these shows, I was assuming that Torn was 
replacing marc Ducret, but no, it looks like you get both. Ducret is 
a really wonderful player, I'd urge anyone not to miss these shows.
>
>
>Tim Berne and Science Friction together with the Arte Saxophone Quartett and
>David Torn played Exeter UK last night.
>
>It was a great evening. It started with Berne, Ducret (on acoustic guitar)
>and the quartet playing Quicksand then they were joined by Craig Taborn, Tom
>Rainey and David Torn for a special commission from the BBC called Untitled
>(Still) "How pretentious, now that I've said it out loud!"
>
>The second half began with a saxophone quartet piece and ended with a long
>improv/medley of Science Friction with Torn.
>
>Torn played far more guitar than I expected and was less involved with
>shaping the whole band sound. He spent most of the time adding atmospheric
>guitar parts with occasional treatments of the quartet. He was quite content
>to leave the actual guitar leads to Ducret who was ripping it up like a
>bastard child of David Fiuczynski and Derek Bailey.
>
>Anybody on the list who can make LONDON Queen Elizabeth Hall tonight;
>OXFORD Thurs; HUDDERSFIELD Friday or BIRMINGHAM Saturday make the effort,
>you won't regret it. Too bad that they were blown out by a promoter for the
>Manchester gig on Monday night.
>
>Richard Gardner

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I'm listening to his score to "The Order" for the first time at the 
moment, and, as might be expected, it's very cool! First of all, he's 
working with an orchestra here, and, given that I've always thought 
Torn had a very orchestral approach to texture with his guitar 
sounds, the combination of those sounds with a real orchestra is 
really powerful, and a very organic mix. The bulk of the score sounds 
like his "Best Laid Plans" disc on ECM from the '80's, or Steve 
Tibbetts work from the same period, coupled with an orchestra. The 
last two cuts are more in line with his work as Splattercell.

Director Brian Helgeland's liner notes are an unabashed fan letter to 
Torn, and are a great read. One quote: "David may or may not be a 
god. At the very least, he was touched by one. Witness the evidence: 
He likes to say "Dude" a lot and he can be very longwinded. It's hard 
to believe anyone who can express himself so thoroughly musically 
could find anything else to say. But he does."

It's a great disc.

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True - but the switchblade can't replace a footcontroller if your hands aren't free to scroll thru presets.  You would want to use a footcontroller to switch 'scenes' on the switchblade, much like using the FCB to switch scenes on the Peavey PC1600.  (And the switchblade can respond to controllers but I don't think it can transmit controllers or note messages)


At 08:48 AM 2003/11/19, Paul Greenstein wrote:
>Ok - I can appreciate the cars and houses analogy... I don't have any practical experience of the Switchblade at all, but the paragraph that caught my eye on their website was:
>
>'The Switchblade can also operate as a central midi controller to send "scenes" or sets of presets to your other midi gear.                   
>In this mode, select a preset and the Switchblade sends a burst of up to 16 different MIDI program changes over different midi channels (8 for the Switchblade 8 and 8B). Of course this setting can be switched OFF too if you're already handling this capability.'

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In a message dated 11/19/03 1:59:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
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> it does no good and it annoys the pig

there ya go!.....:)m

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The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays
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of other
genres.  The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 =
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on the internet.  Send me comments if you love or hate what I played.  I =
also
host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am.

                    Show #33                    November 15, 2003.

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Star's End
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Earth)
Will Miller and         Passing of the Gael      Journey of the Celts =
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  Paul Horn
Rasa                    Gauranga Karuna          Shelter (New Earth)
Joanne Juskus           Waters of March          Joanne Juskus =
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Karl Eisenhart          Blackest Eyes            [live concert CDR]
Neal Morse              Wind At My Back          [live concert CDR]
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(Everything
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(InsideOut)
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(InsideOut)
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(InsideOut)
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(InsideOut)
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 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)

I return to the AM/FM Show in four weeks on December 13.

Bill
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Neal=20
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bsp; =20
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 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)


 


I return to the AM/FM Show in four weeks on December 13.


 


Bill
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From: eary@earycanal.com [mailto:eary@earycanal.com]

> Mike, your letter makes me wonder - Has anyone on this list heard one
> of Joseph Arthur's live performances?   Now there's a guy selling looping
> on just an acoustic guitar, playing songs.  His solo shows are in fact
> extremely moving in a way that the "band" records can't quite match.
>
> Todd Sickafoose

No, I haven't heard that name, but I'll see if I can track down a web site
or a tour schedule.

I know (by reputation only) that Phil Keaggy also does a great job with
acoustic guitar and a looper, but I've never been in the right place at the
right time to catch a live performance.

--
Mike Barrs

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Well, there's two obvious answers why they didn't include this feature:

1) They didn't think of it.  
A lot of things like this are much more apparent after the finished thing hits the market.  

2) Cost.
The cost of adding this is much more than adding a $1.50 jack.  Big companies don't design products by saying "Oh right--just like we were thinking but add a jack to the back!"  First, someone conceives of the feature.  Then he floats the idea.  Some people are indifferent to the idea, some are excited, some reject it.  If he sticks to it long enough, a meeting occurs.  People hem and haw over it, recalculations are made.  Another meeting.  The accounting people may say "Great idea, but low return-on-investment [if any], and we've only got $X to spend developing and producing this thing".  

Or maybe it gets accepted, and the testers have to check and make sure that Just One More Feature doesn't have unintended consequences.  All of these people cost money, and if they're spending time on the new jack, they're not spending any time on other things.  A half hour meeting may cost a thousand dollars in salary for all the people attending, and it's going to take a lot of meetings to propose, design, implement and test Just One More Feature.  And so on.  I could never keep track of how much time I've spent in the last few years in meetings such as these.

I'd recommend reading the Vintage Synthesizer book for case study after case study of well-intentioned musical instrument companies that went under after terminal bouts of feature creep.

TravisH

>From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com

>Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 13:35:27 -0000

>um- yeah, that's more or less what I meant... I think  I've seen this page before. I remember thinking 


>a) yes, that's what I would've done, use the existing  faders to scale the voltage available to the pedals, and


>b) why didn't he use stereo jacks that reconnect the  fader when the plug is pulled out?


>I've done exactly the same modification to a few midi  keyboards to add a pedal/socket to the volume control. it's absolutely >beyond me  why evolution/roland/whomever would leave this feature off of otherwise  reasonably good midi controller >keyboards. the cost of a stereo jack socket, for  god's sake. arranged so that the volume control works normally when there's >no  pedal, and so that it scales the max vol when there is a  pedal.


>baffling.

>d.

 



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http://www.loopersdelight.com/tips/tips.html

 

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I have some very time sensitive information for Luis Angulo
and I'm afraid that his e-mail program's spam filter may be filtering
out my messages to him.

If anyone is in contact with him would you please let him know that
it is very important to contact me as soon as is possible:

He should write to all three of these e-mail addressed to make sure that he
reaches me:

looppool@cruzio.com
rickwalker@cruizio.com
purplehand@hotmail.com


Thanks very much,

Rick Walker


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Hi Rick here i am baby!
Somehow our mails are being Spammed i havenīt gotten
any from you and i have written you a few times
without response from you i had a virus in my PC
ruined one of my hardrives and my PC specialist
installed a new one for me and reformated
everything.He also put a firewall on my PC and did
some flitering tricks to my outlook so i donīt know if
this has something to do with it.
I hope you get this message just go ahead and response
to this adress.
Cheers
Louie







IRTUALLY--- "loop.pool" 
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> Angulo
> and I'm afraid that his e-mail program's spam filter
> may be filtering
> out my messages to him.
> 
> If anyone is in contact with him would you please
> let him know that
> it is very important to contact me as soon as is
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> addressed to make sure that he
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> 
> looppool@cruzio.com
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> 
> Thanks very much,
> 
> Rick Walker
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> 


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Rick,
i just wrote you to this adresses and they came back
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but donīt ask me why;-(
Louie











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> He should write to all three of these e-mail
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> 
> looppool@cruzio.com
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> 
> 
> Thanks very much,
> 
> Rick Walker
> 
> 


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This sounds amazing. Did anybody happen to get a recording of it??? ;)


>From: Dave Trenkel 
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>Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 10:18:01 -0800
>
>This is from John Zorn listserve, may be of interest for you (lucky) Brits 
>who get to see these show. Hey, I guess it's your reward for putting up 
>with our alleged president at the moment...
>
>When I first heard about these shows, I was assuming that Torn was 
>replacing marc Ducret, but no, it looks like you get both. Ducret is a 
>really wonderful player, I'd urge anyone not to miss these shows.
>>
>>
>>Tim Berne and Science Friction together with the Arte Saxophone Quartett 
>>and
>>David Torn played Exeter UK last night.
>>
>>It was a great evening. It started with Berne, Ducret (on acoustic guitar)
>>and the quartet playing Quicksand then they were joined by Craig Taborn, 
>>Tom
>>Rainey and David Torn for a special commission from the BBC called 
>>Untitled
>>(Still) "How pretentious, now that I've said it out loud!"
>>
>>The second half began with a saxophone quartet piece and ended with a long
>>improv/medley of Science Friction with Torn.
>>
>>Torn played far more guitar than I expected and was less involved with
>>shaping the whole band sound. He spent most of the time adding atmospheric
>>guitar parts with occasional treatments of the quartet. He was quite 
>>content
>>to leave the actual guitar leads to Ducret who was ripping it up like a
>>bastard child of David Fiuczynski and Derek Bailey.
>>
>>Anybody on the list who can make LONDON Queen Elizabeth Hall tonight;
>>OXFORD Thurs; HUDDERSFIELD Friday or BIRMINGHAM Saturday make the effort,
>>you won't regret it. Too bad that they were blown out by a promoter for 
>>the
>>Manchester gig on Monday night.
>>
>>Richard Gardner
>

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>>1) They didn't think of it.  
A lot of things like this are much more apparent after the finished thing hits the market.  

2) Cost.
The cost of adding this is much more than adding a $1.50 jack.......
I'd recommend reading the Vintage Synthesizer book for case study after case study of well-intentioned musical instrument companies that went under after terminal bouts of feature creep.<<

I am on my third copy of this mighty tome, and have a collection of keyboards that would merit mention in any revised edition. I can see the point of what you're saying, but these are sold as *dedicated controller keyboards*, these aren't synths or pianos I'm talking about. the evolution mk249c has 12 assignable controller knobs along the rear edge.... and still no socket for a volume pedal. they give you a sustain pedal socket though.
like I said, baffling. 

d.


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RE: Controllers & Expression Pedals (PC1600[X] subthread)




>>1) They didn't think of it.  

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like I said, baffling. 




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whoever cares to reply.   you consider your loop work:

1 totally ambient, atonal, arrhythmic
2
3 a little of both, some of both (rhythmic, but atonal) (atonal, but
rhythmic)
4
5 song oriented, rhythmic, tonal

i'm just curious.   i do both.  right now i'm mainly working with some
pretty freaky vocal stuff.  a "1" from above.  however, i have done lots of
guitar and bouzouki work that was very "musical" or "song oriented".   i'm
sure this question has been brought up before, but the list changes all of
the time.  also: why do you do what you do and what do you think of the
other side of the coin?

lance

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Hi folks, this is Jeff Bragg.  I just wanted to mention that my new =
album "Zen Engine" will be released at the end of November and to =
celebrate I'm giving ten copies away free to the next ten people that =
email the list and write, "send me Zen Engine!"  Please do not email my =
personal address, just the Looper's Delight list.

"Why," you might ask yourself, "would I be interested in this?"

Well, not only does "Zen Engine" contain ten wonderful compositions (by =
me) loaded with tons of loopy madness conjured up in my studio, it also =
is infested with the loops of folks such as David Torn, Bill Laswell and =
others.

If you'd like to hear an example of the music on "Zen Engine", just got =
to:
http://tuned.universe.home.mindspring.com/Music.htm

Thanks all and good luck,
Jeff Bragg

http://tuned.universe.home.mindspring.com


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If you'd like to hear an example of the =
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http://tuned=
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Thanks all and good luck,


Jeff Bragg


 


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send me Zen Engine!
  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Hi folks, this is Jeff Bragg.  I just wanted to mention that my new =
album "Zen Engine" will be released at the end of November and to =
celebrate I'm giving ten copies away free to the next ten people that =
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  If you'd like to hear an example of the music on "Zen Engine", just =
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> Hi folks, this is Jeff Bragg.  I just wanted to mention that my new
> album "Zen Engine" will be released at the end of November and to
> celebrate I'm giving ten copies away free to the next ten people that
> email the list and write, "send me Zen Engine!"  Please do not email my
> personal address, just the Looper's Delight list.

send me Zen Engine!

(Please.)

Steve Burnett
Subscape Annex
http://www.subscapeannex.com/


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Duh, don't know why the list thing but I just sent you a personal email
by accident anway. I'd love a copy if you can spare it.

I'll take a copy please and to make it more list oriented and on topic
I'll trade with other list members who have CDs out if you'd like. Check
out the catalog in the link below (and sorry the LDCD #1 not for trade but
it still is for sale :))




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I've never heard anyone's looping cds, so...

Send me "Zen Engine!"

Jeff

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send me Zen Engine!

I'm at:
28 South Street
Roxbury, CT 06783
Thanks!
David Coffin

<<----- Original Message -----
 From: The Tuned Univerese - Webmaster
 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 9:56 AM
 Subject: And Now For Something Completely Free

 Hi folks, this is Jeff Bragg.  I just wanted to mention that my new album
 "Zen Engine" will be released at the end of November and to celebrate I'm
 giving ten copies away free to the next ten people that email the list and
 write, "send me Zen Engine!"  Please do not email my personal address,
 just the Looper's Delight list.

 "Why," you might ask yourself, "would I be interested in this?"

 Well, not only does "Zen Engine" contain ten wonderful compositions (by
 me) loaded with tons of loopy madness conjured up in my studio, it also is
 infested with the loops of folks such as David Torn, Bill Laswell and
 others.

 If you'd like to hear an example of the music on "Zen Engine", just got
 to:
 http://tuned.universe.home.mindspring.com/Music.htm

 Thanks all and good luck,
 Jeff Bragg

 http://tuned.universe.home.mindspring.com>>

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send me Zen Engine!
 
* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db
 
 
 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: The Tuned Univerese - Webmaster
  
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 9:56 AM
Subject: And Now For Something Completely Free
 
Hi folks, this is Jeff Bragg.  I just wanted to mention that my new
album "Zen Engine" will be released at the end of November and to
celebrate I'm giving ten copies away free to the next ten people that
email the list and write, "send me Zen Engine!"  Please do not email my
personal address, just the Looper's Delight list.
 
"Why," you might ask yourself, "would I be interested in this?"
 
Well, not only does "Zen Engine" contain ten wonderful compositions (by
me) loaded with tons of loopy madness conjured up in my studio, it also
is infested with the loops of folks such as David Torn, Bill Laswell and
others.
 
If you'd like to hear an example of the music on "Zen Engine", just got
to:
http://tuned.universe.home.mindspring.com/Music.htm
 
Thanks all and good luck,
Jeff Bragg
 
http://tuned.universe.home.mindspring.com
 

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send me Zen =
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* =
David Beardsley



* microtonal
guitar



* =
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Hi folks, this is Jeff =
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be
released at the end of November and to celebrate I'm giving ten copies =
away
free to the next ten people that email the list and write, "send me =
Zen
Engine!"  Please do not email my personal address, just the =
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Delight list.









 









"Why," you might =
ask
yourself, "would I be interested in =
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Well, not only does =
"Zen
Engine" contain ten wonderful compositions (by me) loaded with tons =
of
loopy madness conjured up in my studio, it also is infested with the =
loops of
folks such as David Torn, Bill Laswell and =
others.









 









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example of
the music on "Zen Engine", just got =
to:











 









Thanks all and good =
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> whoever cares to reply.   you consider your loop work:
>
> 1 totally ambient, atonal, arrhythmic
> 2
> 3 a little of both, some of both (rhythmic, but atonal) (atonal, but
> rhythmic)
> 4
> 5 song oriented, rhythmic, tonal
>
> i'm just curious.   i do both.  right now i'm mainly working with some
> pretty freaky vocal stuff.  a "1" from above.  however, i have done lots
> of guitar and bouzouki work that was very "musical" or "song oriented".
> i'm sure this question has been brought up before, but the list changes
> all of the time.  also: why do you do what you do and what do you think
> of the other side of the coin?
>
> lance

Although my looping experience is still limited, I've done a little of 
both.  I find both to be quite enjoyable in the creation and in the 
listening.

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>>This sounds amazing. Did anybody happen to get a recording of it??? ;)<<

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this is an abuse of this list.

fine, post notice of your new recording, but don't have people spam this 
list to get one

and people wonder why LD doesn't retain more readers

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The Tuned Univerese - Webmaster wrote:

> Hi folks, this is Jeff Bragg.  I just wanted to mention that my new 
> album "Zen Engine" will be released at the end of November and to 
> celebrate I'm giving ten copies away free to the next ten people that 
> email the list and write, "send me Zen Engine!"  Please do not email 
> my personal address, just the Looper's Delight list.
>  
> "Why," you might ask yourself, "would I be interested in this?"
>  
> Well, not only does "Zen Engine" contain ten wonderful compositions 
> (by me) loaded with tons of loopy madness conjured up in my studio, it 
> also is infested with the loops of folks such as David Torn, Bill 
> Laswell and others.
>  
> If you'd like to hear an example of the music on "Zen Engine", just 
> got to:
> http://tuned.universe.home.mindspring.com/Music.htm
>  
> Thanks all and good luck,
> Jeff Bragg
>  
> http://tuned.universe.home.mindspring.com
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and people wonder why LD doesn't retain more readers



gfd







The Tuned Univerese - Webmaster wrote:



  
  
  
  
Hi folks, this is Jeff Bragg.  I
just wanted to mention that my new album "Zen Engine" will be released
at the end of November and to celebrate I'm giving ten copies away free
to the next ten people that email the list and write, "send me Zen
Engine!"  Please do not email my personal address, just the Looper's
Delight list.

  
 

  
"Why," you might ask yourself,
"would I be interested in this?"

  
 

  
Well, not only does "Zen Engine"
contain ten wonderful compositions (by me) loaded with tons of loopy
madness conjured up in my studio, it also is infested with the loops of
folks such as David Torn, Bill Laswell and others.

  
 

  
If you'd like to hear an example of
the music on "Zen Engine", just got to:

  
  
 

  
Thanks all and good luck,

  
Jeff Bragg

  
 

  
  
 






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Hi
Sorry for the plug, but people in the Philadelphia area or desiring a road 
trip should check this out. How can you beat innovative music and free food?

Fri. 11/21, 8pm-12am: Gate to Moonbase Alpha: Infamous monthly series that 
presents ambient/experimental/electronic/improv/psych. music with visuals and 
more.


Music from:


Xeroid Entity: Xeroid Entity is constantly exploring new musical territory by 
going beyond the barriers of standard conventions while still drawing upon 
classical influences. Their music ranges from light and whimsical to dark and 
aggressive, often within the same piece. Much of it is ambient in nature; 
without a discernable beat. When they do play rhythmically based music, there are 
often complex counter rhythms giving the music a poly-rhythmic flavor. The 
results can be subtle and spacey without being boring, noisy without being harsh, 
dynamic yet continuous. The members of Xeroid Entity are Howard Moscovitz, Bill 
Fox, and Greg Waltzer. (http://xeroid-entity.com)


Plankton: Trio of Philadelphia based musicians working as an ambient free 
improvisational ensemble. The musicians are David Sherick (percussion), Dave 
Champion (trombone and electronics), and David Forlano (toys and electronics). 
They include humor, silence, aggression, gentleness, color, and history. Like 
most Gate to Moonbase Alpha performers, they continue to defy easy definition. 
(http://www.fordforlano.com/df)


Justice on a Budget: Experimental, improv, avant-garde, Justice on a Budget 
combines the sound of a classic jazz trio (Upright bass, keys, drums) with 
today's electronic innovations (loops, samples, turntables). 
(http://www.musicianmp3.com/artist/JusticeonaBudget)


+Performance art using found objects, fused sound, and the kitchen sink from 
The Great Quentini.


+Oil projections and slides from David Gerbstadt. (http://www.gerbstadt.net)


+Free vegetarian buffet from Chef Jeff

Free admission for all ages. The Rotunda: 4014 Walnut St., Phila. 
www.foundationarts.org, 215-573-3234.

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--- Lance Chance  wrote:
> whoever cares to reply.   you consider your loop work:
> 
> 1 totally ambient, atonal, arrhythmic
> 2
> 3 a little of both, some of both (rhythmic, but atonal) (atonal, but
> rhythmic)
> 4
> 5 song oriented, rhythmic, tonal
> 
> i'm just curious.   i do both.  right now i'm mainly working with some
> pretty freaky vocal stuff.  a "1" from above.  however, i have done lots of
> guitar and bouzouki work that was very "musical" or "song oriented".   i'm
> sure this question has been brought up before, but the list changes all of
> the time.  also: why do you do what you do and what do you think of the
> other side of the coin?

The problem is that there's a LOT of space between 3 and 5. Things that are
harmonic and rhythemic, and yet, not "song oriented". Most of my looping fits
somewhere in there. I don't plan out songs, it's freely improvised, yet, it's not
atonal, and it generally develops a rhythm, but it never ends up sounding like a
pop song, ABABCAB, or whatever.

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I'll be in New York soon, performing "The Palmer Raids" with Plasticene. 
The show runs for two weekends, from Dec. 4 through Dec. 14, at the Ohio 
Theater in SoHo.

I create the sound/music in realtime via looping (EDP) and processing on 
the laptop (Max/MSP): no prerecorded sounds. Sonic sources are solely 
from the actors' voices, their breath, and those received from our 
limited set of props.

"The Palmer Raids" is a theatrically and politically charged re-telling 
of a chain of historical events that fundamentally changed American 
history - the fallout and backlash from a rash of vicious terrorist 
bombings that crossed the nation in 1919. Through trademark athleticism, 
daring action and mind-blowing image, Plasticene takes the simplicity of 
three folding tables, 16 folding chairs, four lamps, some boxes and an 
overhead projector into the thrilling complexity of The Palmer Raids."

If you would like to make a reservation please call 212-613-3173 or 
visit: http://www.plasticene.com/

Best regards,
Eric

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Send me Zen Engine. =20

Thanks,

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I feel guilty that I haven't even powered up my Repeater more than twice in the last year :(

Anyone interested just email me offlist.

jmp

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Send me Zen Engine (please)

Kevin Cheli-Colando
P.O. Box 4916
Arcata, CA  95518

Thanks

The Tuned Univerese - Webmaster wrote:
> Hi folks, this is Jeff Bragg.  I just wanted to mention that my new 
> album "Zen Engine" will be released at the end of November and to 
> celebrate I'm giving ten copies away free to the next ten people that 
> email the list and write, "send me Zen Engine!"  Please do not email my 
> personal address, just the Looper's Delight list.
>  
> "Why," you might ask yourself, "would I be interested in this?"
>  
> Well, not only does "Zen Engine" contain ten wonderful compositions (by 
> me) loaded with tons of loopy madness conjured up in my studio, it also 
> is infested with the loops of folks such as David Torn, Bill Laswell and 
> others.
>  
> If you'd like to hear an example of the music on "Zen Engine", just got to:
> http://tuned.universe.home.mindspring.com/Music.htm
>  
> Thanks all and good luck,
> Jeff Bragg
>  
> http://tuned.universe.home.mindspring.com
>  

-- 
How amazing, how amazing!
Hard to comprehend that
Nonsentient beings expound Dharma.
It simply cannot be heard with the ear,
But when sound is heard with the eye,
Then it is understood.
- Tung-shan (807-869)

Sound and Vision:    http://www.minds-eye.org

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Agree completely.
Nic
  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  this is an abuse of this list.=20

  fine, post notice of your new recording, but don't have people spam =
this list to get one

  and people wonder why LD doesn't retain more readers

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Agree completely.


Nic



  
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    Look forward to hearing it. James Sidlo

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Might want to decouple tonality and rhythmicity - a two-dimensional grid =
might work better. 1 through 5 for increasing degree of harmonic & tonal =
content, A through E for increasing degree of rhythm orientation (with C =
being rhythmic, E being song-oriented for example, if one can accept =
song-structure as an extension of rhythm-structure).

I would be in 4-5C territory most of the time.

Nic
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  --- Lance Chance  wrote:
  > whoever cares to reply.   you consider your loop work:
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  > 2
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  > 4
  > 5 song oriented, rhythmic, tonal
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  > i'm just curious.   i do both.  right now i'm mainly working with =
some
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lots of
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  i'm
  > sure this question has been brought up before, but the list changes =
all of
  > the time.  also: why do you do what you do and what do you think of =
the
  > other side of the coin?

  The problem is that there's a LOT of space between 3 and 5. Things =
that are
  harmonic and rhythemic, and yet, not "song oriented". Most of my =
looping fits
  somewhere in there. I don't plan out songs, it's freely improvised, =
yet, it's not
  atonal, and it generally develops a rhythm, but it never ends up =
sounding like a
  pop song, ABABCAB, or whatever.

  Greg

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Might want to decouple tonality and rhythmicity - a two-dimensional =
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tonal=20
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being=20
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song-structure as=20
an extension of rhythm-structure).


 


I would be in 4-5C territory most of the time.


 


Nic


  
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> =
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> 4
> 5 song oriented, rhythmic, tonal
> =

>=20
  i'm just curious.   i do both.  right now i'm mainly =
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> pretty freaky vocal stuff.  a "1" from =
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> guitar and bouzouki work that was =
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> sure this =
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> the =
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> =
other=20
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The problem is that there's a LOT of space =
between 3=20
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harmonic and rhythemic, and yet, not "song=20
  oriented". Most of my looping fits
somewhere in there. I don't plan =
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atonal, and it =
generally=20
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pop song, =
ABABCAB,=20
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Greg

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you=20
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<=
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I think we are missing the point here--I posted regarding this like,
yeserday or the day before.  NO ONE CAN RECREATE A STUDIO RECORDING WITH
LOOPERS.  It's pretty pointless.  That said, song structure of one sort or
another (lots of wiggle room there!) is what I usually strive for--anyone
who was at Y2K2 and saw my performance can get an idea of what I try to
foist on the unsuspecting public (not to mention a room fulla playas).
Music is emotional--and I try to make it pretty.
Gary


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Although I am all for promoting your projects on the list - but really
people - if you want a cd shouldn't you just write to Jeff off list with
your address?

Woke up to almost 20 e-mails of people saying send me a cd :)



>
>
>Hi Jeff, (and anyone else on the list)
>
>Send me a CD of your work and I'll burn you a CDR called Data From 
>Recent Experiments that I did last year. Mostly loopy inprovs with a 
>nord modular

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At 10:56 AM -0500 11/20/03, The Tuned Univerese - Webmaster wrote:
>Hi folks, this is Jeff Bragg.  I just wanted to mention that my new 
>album "Zen Engine" will be released at the end of November and to 
>celebrate I'm giving ten copies away free to the next ten people 
>that email the list and write, "send me Zen Engine!"  Please do not 
>email my personal address, just the Looper's Delight list.
>
>"Why," you might ask yourself, "would I be interested in this?"
>
>Well, not only does "Zen Engine" contain ten wonderful compositions 
>(by me) loaded with tons of loopy madness conjured up in my studio, 
>it also is infested with the loops of folks such as David Torn, Bill 
>Laswell and others.
>
>If you'd like to hear an example of the music on "Zen Engine", just got to:
>http://tuned.universe.home.mindspring.com/Music.htm
>
>Thanks all and good luck,
>Jeff Bragg
>
>http://tuned.universe.home.mindspring.com
>


Hi Jeff, (and anyone else on the list)

Send me a CD of your work and I'll burn you a CDR called Data From 
Recent Experiments that I did last year. Mostly loopy inprovs with a 
nord modular

Emile Tobenfeld
15 Frances Road
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yes george, I fully agree, sometimes there's a bit too much of spam like stuff in there :-)

F

-----Message d'origine-----
De:	George Demarest [SMTP:george.demarest@oracle.com]
Date:	jeudi 20 novembre 2003 17:24
A:	Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Objet:	Re: And Now For Something Completely Free

this is an abuse of this list.

fine, post notice of your new recording, but don't have people spam this 
list to get one

and people wonder why LD doesn't retain more readers

gfd



The Tuned Univerese - Webmaster wrote:

> Hi folks, this is Jeff Bragg.  I just wanted to mention that my new 
> album "Zen Engine" will be released at the end of November and to 
> celebrate I'm giving ten copies away free to the next ten people that 
> email the list and write, "send me Zen Engine!"  Please do not email 
> my personal address, just the Looper's Delight list.
>  
> "Why," you might ask yourself, "would I be interested in this?"
>  
> Well, not only does "Zen Engine" contain ten wonderful compositions 
> (by me) loaded with tons of loopy madness conjured up in my studio, it 
> also is infested with the loops of folks such as David Torn, Bill 
> Laswell and others.
>  
> If you'd like to hear an example of the music on "Zen Engine", just 
> got to:
> http://tuned.universe.home.mindspring.com/Music.htm
>  
> Thanks all and good luck,
> Jeff Bragg
>  
> http://tuned.universe.home.mindspring.com
>  

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yeah got a recording as well on MD. listened to it last night, the sound
isn't amazing but it'll serve its purpose...anyway, it was definitely
some of the most beautiful and intense music i have heard in a
while...might be going to birmingham on saturday...
mateo

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This sounds amazing. Did anybody happen to get a recording of it??? ;)


>From: Dave Trenkel 
>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Subject: RE: Torn in London
>Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 10:18:01 -0800
>
>This is from John Zorn listserve, may be of interest for you (lucky) 
>Brits
>who get to see these show. Hey, I guess it's your reward for putting up

>with our alleged president at the moment...
>
>When I first heard about these shows, I was assuming that Torn was
>replacing marc Ducret, but no, it looks like you get both. Ducret is a 
>really wonderful player, I'd urge anyone not to miss these shows.
>>
>>
>>Tim Berne and Science Friction together with the Arte Saxophone 
>>Quartett
>>and
>>David Torn played Exeter UK last night.
>>
>>It was a great evening. It started with Berne, Ducret (on acoustic 
>>guitar) and the quartet playing Quicksand then they were joined by 
>>Craig Taborn, Tom Rainey and David Torn for a special commission from 
>>the BBC called Untitled
>>(Still) "How pretentious, now that I've said it out loud!"
>>
>>The second half began with a saxophone quartet piece and ended with a 
>>long improv/medley of Science Friction with Torn.
>>
>>Torn played far more guitar than I expected and was less involved with

>>shaping the whole band sound. He spent most of the time adding 
>>atmospheric guitar parts with occasional treatments of the quartet. He

>>was quite content to leave the actual guitar leads to Ducret who was 
>>ripping it up like a bastard child of David Fiuczynski and Derek 
>>Bailey.
>>
>>Anybody on the list who can make LONDON Queen Elizabeth Hall tonight; 
>>OXFORD Thurs; HUDDERSFIELD Friday or BIRMINGHAM Saturday make the 
>>effort, you won't regret it. Too bad that they were blown out by a 
>>promoter for the Manchester gig on Monday night.
>>
>>Richard Gardner
>

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>
> ---"Greg House"  wrote:
> > whoever cares to reply.   you consider your loop work:
> >
> > 1 totally ambient, atonal, arrhythmic
> > 2
> > 3 a little of both, some of both (rhythmic, but atonal) (tonal, but
> > arrhythmic)
> > 4
> > 5 song oriented, rhythmic, tonal

> The problem is that there's a LOT of space between 3 and 5. Things that
are
> harmonic and rhythemic, and yet, not "song oriented". Most of my looping
fits
> somewhere in there. I don't plan out songs, it's freely improvised, yet,
it's not
> atonal, and it generally develops a rhythm, but it never ends up sounding
like a
> pop song, ABABCAB, or whatever.
>
> Greg
>
i see your point.   i think that i skewed the scale towards "ambient" due to
accidental prejudices based on my own use of loop tools.  what i consider my
"tonal" and "rhythmic" work is similar to what you described.  i guess that
i would consider anything with identifiable (if shifting) meters and
harmonic structures "musical" in nature.   "song oriented" perhaps was a
weak descriptive term.   or, i suppose, it is possible that i hadn't really
considered how "song oriented" loopers could get.   these tools seem to
suggest improvisation to me.   however, they could be used in a completely
arraigned set.  so, how about this:

1 totally ambient, atonal, arrhythmic
2 a little of both, some of both (rhythmic, but atonal) (tonal, but
arrhythmic)
3 freely improvised, but primarily tonal and rhythmic
4 arraigned to the note or bar and/or could be transcribed using traditional
musical notation

lance

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Please send me a copy of Zen Engine. Robin Haas 343 Soquel Ave #36, =
Santa Cruz, Ca 95062-2305


  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Lance Chance=20
  To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
  Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 8:15 AM
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  send me Zen Engine!
    ----- Original Message -----=20
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    Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 9:56 AM
    Subject: And Now For Something Completely Free


    Hi folks, this is Jeff Bragg.  I just wanted to mention that my new =
album "Zen Engine" will be released at the end of November and to =
celebrate I'm giving ten copies away free to the next ten people that =
email the list and write, "send me Zen Engine!"  Please do not email my =
personal address, just the Looper's Delight list.

    "Why," you might ask yourself, "would I be interested in this?"

    Well, not only does "Zen Engine" contain ten wonderful compositions =
(by me) loaded with tons of loopy madness conjured up in my studio, it =
also is infested with the loops of folks such as David Torn, Bill =
Laswell and others.

    If you'd like to hear an example of the music on "Zen Engine", just =
got to:
    http://tuned.universe.home.mindspring.com/Music.htm

    Thanks all and good luck,
    Jeff Bragg

    http://tuned.universe.home.mindspring.com

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send me Zen Engine!

  

    
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Jeff Bragg

    
 

    
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scratch my last. i think that my usage of the term "song oriented" is =
confusing.  nic's suggestion does the trick rather well.   wait! 3-d =
n-space!  so, imagine a cube where (r =3D rhythmic quality)  (h =3D =
harmonic quality) and (i =3D instrument factor). this last will indicate =
how much of your input or output sounds like a musical instruments =
(guitar, flute, drum) rather than noise (bombs, helicopters, spoken =
words, attacking star fleets, ect.), with the higher rating showing =
greater inclination towards "musical" instrumentation.

(r =3D rhythmic quality)=3D1,2,3,4,5
(h =3D harmonic quality)=3D1,2,3,4,5
(i =3D instrument quality)=3D1,2,3,4,5

my latest project would be r=3D1, h=3D1, i=3D1
whereas my bouzouki project would be r=3D3, h=3D5, i=3D4
i say i=3D4 because though my bouzouki still sounded like some sort of =
stringed instrument, you couldn't really tell it was a bouzouki.

i think that my next question will be "how many on the list are math =
geeks?"

----- Original Message -----=20
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  Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 12:14 PM
  Subject: Re: a general question


  Might want to decouple tonality and rhythmicity - a two-dimensional =
grid might work better. 1 through 5 for increasing degree of harmonic & =
tonal content, A through E for increasing degree of rhythm orientation =
(with C being rhythmic, E being song-oriented for example, if one can =
accept song-structure as an extension of rhythm-structure).

  I would be in 4-5C territory most of the time.

  Nic
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Greg House=20
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
    Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 9:14 AM
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    --- Lance Chance  wrote:
    > whoever cares to reply.   you consider your loop work:
    >=20
    > 1 totally ambient, atonal, arrhythmic
    > 2
    > 3 a little of both, some of both (rhythmic, but atonal) (atonal, =
but
    > rhythmic)
    > 4
    > 5 song oriented, rhythmic, tonal
    >=20
    > i'm just curious.   i do both.  right now i'm mainly working with =
some
    > pretty freaky vocal stuff.  a "1" from above.  however, i have =
done lots of
    > guitar and bouzouki work that was very "musical" or "song =
oriented".   i'm
    > sure this question has been brought up before, but the list =
changes all of
    > the time.  also: why do you do what you do and what do you think =
of the
    > other side of the coin?

    The problem is that there's a LOT of space between 3 and 5. Things =
that are
    harmonic and rhythemic, and yet, not "song oriented". Most of my =
looping fits
    somewhere in there. I don't plan out songs, it's freely improvised, =
yet, it's not
    atonal, and it generally develops a rhythm, but it never ends up =
sounding like a
    pop song, ABABCAB, or whatever.

    Greg

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scratch my last. i think that my usage of =
the term=20
"song oriented" is confusing.  nic's suggestion does the =
trick=20
rather well.   wait! 3-d n-space!  so, imagine a cube=20
where (r =3D rhythmic quality)  (h =3D harmonic quality) =
and (i=20
=3D instrument factor). this last will indicate how much =
of your=20
input or output sounds like a musical instruments (guitar, flute, drum) =
rather=20
than noise (bombs, helicopters, spoken words, attacking star fleets, =
ect.), with=20
the higher rating showing greater inclination towards "musical"=20
instrumentation.


 


(r =3D rhythmic =
quality)=3D1,2,3,4,5


(h =3D harmonic =
quality)=3D1,2,3,4,5


(i =3D instrument =
quality)=3D1,2,3,4,5


 


my latest project would be r=3D1, h=3D1, =
i=3D1


whereas my bouzouki project would be r=3D3, =
h=3D5,=20
i=3D4


i say i=3D4 because though my bouzouki still =
sounded like=20
some sort of stringed instrument, you couldn't really tell it was a=20
bouzouki.


 


i think that my next question will be "how =
many on=20
the list are math geeks?"


 


----- Original Message ----- 



  From:=20
  Nic=20
  Roozeboom 
  
To: Loopers-Delight@loope=
rs-delight.com=20
  

  
Sent: Thursday, November 20, =
2003 12:14=20
  PM

  
Subject: Re: a general =
question

  


  

  
Might want to decouple tonality and rhythmicity - a =
two-dimensional grid=20
  might work better. 1 through 5 for increasing degree of harmonic & =
tonal=20
  content, A through E for increasing degree of rhythm orientation (with =
C being=20
  rhythmic, E being song-oriented for example, if one can accept =
song-structure=20
  as an extension of rhythm-structure).

  
 

  
I would be in 4-5C territory most of the time.

  
 

  
Nic

  
    
----- Original Message ----- 

    
From: Greg House 

    
To: Loopers-Delight@loope=
rs-delight.com=20
    

    
Sent: Thursday, November 20, =
2003 9:14=20
    AM

    
Subject: Re: a general =
question

    


--- Lance Chance <lrc8918@louisiana.edu>=20
    wrote:
> whoever cares to reply.   you consider your =
loop=20
    work:
> 
> 1 totally ambient, atonal, arrhythmic
> =

    2
> 3 a little of both, some of both (rhythmic, but atonal) =
(atonal,=20
    but
> rhythmic)
> 4
> 5 song oriented, rhythmic,=20
    tonal
> 
> i'm just curious.   i do =
both.  right=20
    now i'm mainly working with some
> pretty freaky vocal =
stuff.  a=20
    "1" from above.  however, i have done lots of
> guitar =
and=20
    bouzouki work that was very "musical" or "song =
oriented".  =20
    i'm
> sure this question has been brought up before, but the =
list=20
    changes all of
> the time.  also: why do you do what you =
do and=20
    what do you think of the
> other side of the coin?

The =
problem=20
    is that there's a LOT of space between 3 and 5. Things that =
are
harmonic=20
    and rhythemic, and yet, not "song oriented". Most of my looping=20
    fits
somewhere in there. I don't plan out songs, it's freely =
improvised,=20
    yet, it's not
atonal, and it generally develops a rhythm, but it =
never=20
    ends up sounding like a
pop song, ABABCAB, or=20
    =
whatever.

Greg

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you=20
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ahem.....

1/4/3

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Shut up and play yer fuckin' bouzouki
Relay
PS  No HTML
Hugs and kisses,
yer pal, Gary Lehmann

-----Original Message-----
From: Lance Chance [mailto:lrc8918@louisiana.edu]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:47 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: a general question


scratch my last. i think that my usage of the term "song oriented" is
confusing.  nic's suggestion does the trick rather well.   wait! 3-d
n-space!  so, imagine a cube where (r = rhythmic quality)  (h = harmonic
quality) and (i = instrument factor). this last will indicate how much of
your input or output sounds like a musical instruments (guitar, flute, drum)
rather than noise (bombs, helicopters, spoken words, attacking star fleets,
ect.), with the higher rating showing greater inclination towards "musical"
instrumentation.

(r = rhythmic quality)=1,2,3,4,5
(h = harmonic quality)=1,2,3,4,5
(i = instrument quality)=1,2,3,4,5

my latest project would be r=1, h=1, i=1
whereas my bouzouki project would be r=3, h=5, i=4
i say i=4 because though my bouzouki still sounded like some sort of
stringed instrument, you couldn't really tell it was a bouzouki.

i think that my next question will be "how many on the list are math geeks?"

----- Original Message -----
From: Nic Roozeboom
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: a general question


Might want to decouple tonality and rhythmicity - a two-dimensional grid
might work better. 1 through 5 for increasing degree of harmonic & tonal
content, A through E for increasing degree of rhythm orientation (with C
being rhythmic, E being song-oriented for example, if one can accept
song-structure as an extension of rhythm-structure).

I would be in 4-5C territory most of the time.

Nic
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg House
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: a general question



--- Lance Chance  wrote:
> whoever cares to reply.   you consider your loop work:
>
> 1 totally ambient, atonal, arrhythmic
> 2
> 3 a little of both, some of both (rhythmic, but atonal) (atonal, but
> rhythmic)
> 4
> 5 song oriented, rhythmic, tonal
>
> i'm just curious.   i do both.  right now i'm mainly working with some
> pretty freaky vocal stuff.  a "1" from above.  however, i have done lots
of
> guitar and bouzouki work that was very "musical" or "song oriented".   i'm
> sure this question has been brought up before, but the list changes all of
> the time.  also: why do you do what you do and what do you think of the
> other side of the coin?

The problem is that there's a LOT of space between 3 and 5. Things that are
harmonic and rhythemic, and yet, not "song oriented". Most of my looping
fits
somewhere in there. I don't plan out songs, it's freely improvised, yet,
it's not
atonal, and it generally develops a rhythm, but it never ends up sounding
like a
pop song, ABABCAB, or whatever.

Greg

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George Demarest wrote:
> this is an abuse of this list. fine, post notice of your new recording, but don't have people spam this list to get one

I disagree. Jeff specified honoring the first ten responses. I trust Jeff to monitor the responses and post a "send no more" when he's reached his limit. That's pretty limited in number, and I trust Loopers to stop sending requests for the CD once Jeff says stop. 

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George Demarest wrote:


> this is an abuse of this list. fine, post notice of your new 
recording, but don't have people spam this list to get one


 


I disagree. Jeff specified honoring the first ten responses. I 
trust Jeff to monitor the responses and post a "send no more" when he's reached 
his limit. That's pretty limited in number, and I trust Loopers to stop sending 
requests for the CD once Jeff says stop. 


 


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And what would have been wrong with a simple 'mail me off-list'?

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>George Demarest wrote:
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>
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I didn't get to this in time, but if you ever play live, let me know.  I'm in your area after all.
 
Paolo

The Tuned Univerese - Webmaster  wrote:
Hi folks, this is Jeff Bragg.  I just wanted to mention that my new album "Zen Engine" will be released at the end of November and to celebrate I'm giving ten copies away free to the next ten people that email the list and write, "send me Zen Engine!"  Please do not email my personal address, just the Looper's Delight list.
 
"Why," you might ask yourself, "would I be interested in this?"
 
Well, not only does "Zen Engine" contain ten wonderful compositions (by me) loaded with tons of loopy madness conjured up in my studio, it also is infested with the loops of folks such as David Torn, Bill Laswell and others.
 
If you'd like to hear an example of the music on "Zen Engine", just got to:
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I didn't get to this in time, but if you ever play live, let me know.  I'm in your area after all.


 


Paolo

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Hi folks, this is Jeff Bragg.  I just wanted to mention that my new album "Zen Engine" will be released at the end of November and to celebrate I'm giving ten copies away free to the next ten people that email the list and write, "send me Zen Engine!"  Please do not email my personal address, just the Looper's Delight list.


 


"Why," you might ask yourself, "would I be interested in this?"


 


Well, not only does "Zen Engine" contain ten wonderful compositions (by me) loaded with tons of loopy madness conjured up in my studio, it also is infested with the loops of folks such as David Torn, Bill Laswell and others.


 


If you'd like to hear an example of the music on "Zen Engine", just got to:



 


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> Shut up and play yer fuckin' bouzouki
> Relay
> PS  No HTML
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>

i can't.   i'm at work.   do think i would even be reading this post if i
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your bud,
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yeah, i've got to say, if this list isn't about sharing ideas, what is =
it for?   maybe having people answer here might create some wasted =
(what?, time, virtual space, an itsy bitsy tiny little bit of =
electricity).   particularly because it was a free offering, i think of =
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  George Demarest wrote:
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recording, but don't have people spam this list to get one

  I disagree. Jeff specified honoring the first ten responses. I trust =
Jeff to monitor the responses and post a "send no more" when he's =
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yeah, i've got to say, if this list =
isn't about=20
sharing ideas, what is it for?   maybe having people answer =
here might=20
create some wasted (what?, time, virtual space, an itsy bitsy tiny =
little bit of=20
electricity).   particularly because it was a free offering, i =
think=20
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George Demarest wrote:

  
> this is an abuse of this list. fine, post notice of your new =

  recording, but don't have people spam this list to get one

  
 

  
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Nic wrote:
"And what would have been wrong with a simple 'mail me off-list'?

Agreed!

Rick





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  George Demarest wrote:
  > this is an abuse of this list. fine, post notice of your new recording,
but don't have people spam this list to get one

  I disagree. Jeff specified honoring the first ten responses. I trust Jeff
to monitor the responses and post a "send no more" when he's reached his
limit. That's pretty limited in number, and I trust Loopers to stop sending
requests for the CD once Jeff says stop.

  dB, Coyote

  It's still a lot of crap to wade through, when you're here to talk about
looping.

  --
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George Demarest wrote:

  
> this is an abuse of this list. fine, post notice of your new =

  recording, but don't have people spam this list to get one

  
 

  
I disagree. Jeff specified honoring the first ten =
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he's=20
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Loopers to=20
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dB, Coyote 

  
 

  
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> From: Lance Chance [mailto:lrc8918@louisiana.edu]
>
> whoever cares to reply.   you consider your loop work:
>
> 1 totally ambient, atonal, arrhythmic
> 2
> 3 a little of both, some of both (rhythmic, but atonal) (atonal, but
> rhythmic)
> 4
> 5 song oriented, rhythmic, tonal

Basically all #5 right now, and I'm STILL struggling with trying to cram the
round peg of my current looping hardware (Repeater) into the square hole of
AABA song formats.

> i'm just curious.   i do both.  right now i'm mainly working with some
> pretty freaky vocal stuff.  a "1" from above.  however, i have
> done lots of
> guitar and bouzouki work that was very "musical" or "song oriented".   i'm
> sure this question has been brought up before, but the list changes all of
> the time.  also: why do you do what you do and what do you think of the
> other side of the coin?

Well, I do what I do because that's all I've ever known. I played drums for
six years when I was a kid/teenager, and I've played guitar for almost 30
years after that. Maybe it's just geezer mentality, but I'm programmed to
think in 'trad song format.

It's not that I haven't TRIED to do a little "ambient/textural" looping. But
I always end up with this big wall-'o-sound, with no clear exit point or
development. I know that's because I just don't spend enough time doing
this. But I'm not sure I really want to spend time working on it, when there
are still things to be done with looping in the traditional song format
zone.

--
Mike Barrs

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Hello all,

I'm new to the list but have been perusing the archives
for a while. I am a Chapman Stick player and do quite
a bit of looping with the EDP. Recently, I picked up a
second EDP to run in stereo using BrotherSync. I've
noticed since hooking the unit up, however, that my
right and left channels slowly go out of sync as the loop
plays.

My setup is as follows. One white face EDP and one
EDP Plus both running Loop IV. MIDI cable from the out
of the master to the in of the slave. A TRS to TRS cable
connecting the two BrotherSync jacks. All parameters
are identical on the two machines including the sync
which is set to "Out".

>From what I've read in the archives, it appears that plenty
of you have run two EDPs in stereo with great success so
I can only assume that the blame lies squarely on my shoulders.

Any insight would be most welcome.

Thanks,
Glenn

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This fool is just hoping that people will just reply to his free CD mail =
and include his message's text in their replies so he gets his name in =
the LD list archives a bunch of times.  So, when anyone does a search =
for David T. or Bill L. they'll come up with his name, too. =20

Fucking marketing slut.  ;)

Destroyer of light and hope,

J


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This fool is just hoping that people =
will just=20
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times.  So, when anyone does a search for David T. or Bill L. =
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Fucking marketing slut.  =
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J


 


 


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My first suggestion is to check your sync parameters.  If you want to
BrotherSync (sounds like you do), both EDP's should be set to "Out" for the
Sync parameter.  This on page hmmmmidunno of your EDP manual ;)

Doug
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> Hello all,
>
> I'm new to the list but have been perusing the archives
> for a while. I am a Chapman Stick player and do quite
> a bit of looping with the EDP. Recently, I picked up a
> second EDP to run in stereo using BrotherSync. I've
> noticed since hooking the unit up, however, that my
> right and left channels slowly go out of sync as the loop
> plays.
>
> My setup is as follows. One white face EDP and one
> EDP Plus both running Loop IV. MIDI cable from the out
> of the master to the in of the slave. A TRS to TRS cable
> connecting the two BrotherSync jacks. All parameters
> are identical on the two machines including the sync
> which is set to "Out".
>
> >From what I've read in the archives, it appears that plenty
> of you have run two EDPs in stereo with great success so
> I can only assume that the blame lies squarely on my shoulders.
>
> Any insight would be most welcome.
>
> Thanks,
> Glenn
>

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> it unlikely to be limited to the component alone. More message storage
> implies more variables for the microprocessor to manage, implying possibly
> more RAM, larger code size (larger micro / code ROM), possibly more
complex
> code (-->larger project scope so higher initial/organizational cost).
>

this isn't the forum for this, but I would like to briefly mention that I
believe they spent a lot of time trying to figure out how to write the code
based around a  compression scheme (needed because of the tiny EEPROM),
where if they could just store the midi data raw, there would be lots of
ways to easily just read it and send it out the midi port - way easier.
Jon

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Oops.  I missed that you said you checked this in your original message.

I give up.

Doug
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> My first suggestion is to check your sync parameters.  If you want to
> BrotherSync (sounds like you do), both EDP's should be set to "Out" for
the
> Sync parameter.  This on page hmmmmidunno of your EDP manual ;)
>
> Doug
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Glenn Poorman" 
> To: "Loopers Delight" 
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:25 PM
> Subject: EDP BrotherSync
>
>
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I'm new to the list but have been perusing the archives
> > for a while. I am a Chapman Stick player and do quite
> > a bit of looping with the EDP. Recently, I picked up a
> > second EDP to run in stereo using BrotherSync. I've
> > noticed since hooking the unit up, however, that my
> > right and left channels slowly go out of sync as the loop
> > plays.
> >
> > My setup is as follows. One white face EDP and one
> > EDP Plus both running Loop IV. MIDI cable from the out
> > of the master to the in of the slave. A TRS to TRS cable
> > connecting the two BrotherSync jacks. All parameters
> > are identical on the two machines including the sync
> > which is set to "Out".
> >
> > >From what I've read in the archives, it appears that plenty
> > of you have run two EDPs in stereo with great success so
> > I can only assume that the blame lies squarely on my shoulders.
> >
> > Any insight would be most welcome.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Glenn
> >
>

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Dear list, I certainly did not expect to create this fire storm by =
offering my disc in this way.  I simply intended to give back to the =
community in an amount that I could afford.  I wanted to do something =
nice.  As far as having folks reply to the list, my thought was that it =
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would show that it was fair.  My apologies.

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Under any circumstances, the offer is closed and will not be made again.

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Jeff Bragg

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Dear list, I certainly did not expect =
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As far as Jesse Ray Lucas's remarks go, =
that was=20
the farthest thing from my mind.  I didn't realize that you could =
search in=20
that way.  


 


Under any circumstances, the offer is =
closed and=20
will not be made again.


 


Best,


Jeff Bragg


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I wuz jus' kiddin' wi'chu, foo'.  'Amn...  All callin' me out on da list =
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----- Original Message -----=20
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  Dear list, I certainly did not expect to create this fire storm by =
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nice.  As far as having folks reply to the list, my thought was that it =
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  As far as Jesse Ray Lucas's remarks go, that was the farthest thing =
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Jesse wrote:
"This fool is just hoping that people will just reply to his free CD mail
and include his message's text in their replies so he gets his name in the
LD list archives a bunch of times.  So, when anyone does a search for David
T. or Bill L. they'll come up with his name, too.   Fucking marketing slut.
;)"

Jeez, Jesse,

That's such  cynical and judgemental thing to say (assuming you are not
being jokingly sarcastic).....................have you never tried to get
your music out to the world?

It's really difficult.     I actually thought his approach was rather
straightforward and honest (even if I thought it
would have been better to ask for replies offlist).

      This community is NOT like the music business.   People aren't
scheming to try and put things over on people.
We're all trying to use these hard and software paradigms to be creative and
make some music.   Without obvious
stylistic boundaries it is frequently difficult to get our stuff placed in
stores or reviewed by magazines, so it really necessitates
novel ways of getting it all out there.

    I hope you are met by more support the next time you try and get your
music heard by anybody.    I'd love to hear it
(particularly because you seem bright and aggressive) and I'll never get the
chance unless you figure out a way to get our collective attention.

yours,   Rick


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Yes, Rick, if there is one thing I have learned from this list it is that if
you hope to have your sarcasm understood it is essential to insert those
damned winking smileys after everything you say.  Hence my winking smiley
insertion in my scathing post.

But even then people still don't seem to get it.

I am just kidding, unless I say otherwise.

You hear that everybody?

Damn literal-ass bastards.

;)    ;)    ;)    ;)    ;)    ;)

Please let this be the end of this OT thread on-list.

Incidentally, the MOTU 828mkII Firewire audio interface is a phyne phyne
piece of shit.  I'm lovin' it and it's standalone mixerosity.  Even with a
piddly 400Mhz Dell laptop.  And I am not kidding.

;)

Love,

J



----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 9:59 PM
Subject: Mackin' on promoting oneself


> Jesse wrote:
> "This fool is just hoping that people will just reply to his free CD mail
> and include his message's text in their replies so he gets his name in the
> LD list archives a bunch of times.  So, when anyone does a search for
David
> T. or Bill L. they'll come up with his name, too.   Fucking marketing
slut.
> ;)"
>
> Jeez, Jesse,
>
> That's such  cynical and judgemental thing to say (assuming you are not
> being jokingly sarcastic).....................have you never tried to get
> your music out to the world?
>
> It's really difficult.     I actually thought his approach was rather
> straightforward and honest (even if I thought it
> would have been better to ask for replies offlist).
>
>       This community is NOT like the music business.   People aren't
> scheming to try and put things over on people.
> We're all trying to use these hard and software paradigms to be creative
and
> make some music.   Without obvious
> stylistic boundaries it is frequently difficult to get our stuff placed in
> stores or reviewed by magazines, so it really necessitates
> novel ways of getting it all out there.
>
>     I hope you are met by more support the next time you try and get your
> music heard by anybody.    I'd love to hear it
> (particularly because you seem bright and aggressive) and I'll never get
the
> chance unless you figure out a way to get our collective attention.
>
> yours,   Rick
>
>

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--- Jesse Ray Lucas  wrote:
> 
> Incidentally, the MOTU 828mkII Firewire audio
> interface is a phyne phyne
> piece of shit.  I'm lovin' it and it's standalone
> mixerosity. 

Would you mind elaborating on its stand alone
mixerosity? What all do you have hooked up to that
bad boy? How flexible is the signal routing?

Us gears sluts wants it soooo bad!

:)

John

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Sorry about the OT post, but this was the best place to maybe get some =
ideas....

I am popping across the pond for a couple of weeks starting this =
Saturday, November 22nd for two weeks.  The first of the two weeks will =
be spent hitting various spots around the country.  The second of those =
two weeks, i'll be in London.  I'm sure there are people on the list =
from London, or those who have been there that can help.

I'm looking for the names of some music clubs, venues, etc. to check =
out.  Good jazz clubs, experimental music, looping, i'm game to check =
stuff out in London, anytime from say November 30 to December 5th.  Any =
tips appreciated.  Don't know the city very well, so the more details =
the better!

I'm UNSUBSCRIBING from the list while i'm gone (and its VERY OT), so =
please don't respond on-list.  Drop me an email at:
jlanpheer<@earthlink.net
(Take out the "<", was put in to avoid spam)

thanx so much to anyone who can enrich my little foray to the British =
Isles and so very sorry that my country's "leader" has chosen to show up =
there.
cheers,
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Sorry about the OT post, but this was =
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I am popping across the pond for a =
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first of=20
the two weeks will be spent hitting various spots around the =
country.  The=20
second of those two weeks, i'll be in London.  I'm sure there are =
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help.


 


I'm looking for the names of some music =
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music,=20
looping, i'm game to check stuff out in London, anytime from say =
November 30 to=20
December 5th.  Any tips appreciated.  Don't know the city very =
well,=20
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I'm UNSUBSCRIBING from the list while =
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thanx so much to anyone who can enrich =
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Is it possible to recall mixer presets (snapshot) via MIDI on the MOTU
828mkII? My local dealer said no, but I trust the list more ;-)
I am looking for a mixer that allows recalling presets like the SPM 8:2.

Bernhard

> --- Jesse Ray Lucas  wrote:
>>
>> Incidentally, the MOTU 828mkII Firewire audio
>> interface is a phyne phyne
>> piece of shit.  I'm lovin' it and it's standalone
>> mixerosity.
>
> Would you mind elaborating on its stand alone
> mixerosity? What all do you have hooked up to that
> bad boy? How flexible is the signal routing?
>
> Us gears sluts wants it soooo bad!
>
> :)
>
> John
>
> =====
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>
>
>
>
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"Lance Chance"  inquired:

> whoever cares to reply.   you consider your loop work:
>
> 1 totally ambient, atonal, arrhythmic

At times any of the above.  I consider my work 'situational' at times, in
that it is more attuned to soundtrack work - and this can be 'ambient',
atonal, AND/OR arrhythmic.

> 2

I get it, "there is no number 2", right? :)

> 3 a little of both, some of both (rhythmic, but atonal) (atonal, but
> rhythmic)

At times, that too.

> 4

Whither "4"? :)

> 5 song oriented, rhythmic, tonal

Like I said, whatever comes out comes out.  I am fairly committed to the
idea of combining the mode of a 'pop' song with 'ambient', looping, atonal,
and/or arrhythmic material.  My favorite examples of this would be Peter
Gabriel's first three solo albums, and of course the beautiful "Sacred
Songs" by Daryl Hall and Robert Fripp.  I'd love to play with folks who have
that same concept at heart.  If they exist.

One of the nice side effects of the ambient-pop mixture (or its variants) is
that 'regular' folks who would otherwise turn their noses up at stuff minus
the 'pop' element find themselves listening (and with interest!) to
non-'pop' material.  I have always thought that Bowie's negative attitude
towards the "Let's Dance" period left out this very important factor.  It
was great fun and not a little satisfying to introduce 'normal' folks to
Bowie's older material, such that their attitudes would be like the
following:

1974: "BOWIE?!?  Ewwwww!" (leaves party)
1982: "Wow!" (add to this singing along with "Let's Dance" etc.")
1982: "This is GREAT!  Who is it?" (while listening to "Diamond Dogs", etc.)

I could say the same for Pink Floyd, which so revolted a friend of mine in
the late 70s that she'd start saying things like "Ooooh, the WALLS are
BREATHING..." before leaving the room.  Come "The Wall", and her wedding
reception, what was on the play list for dancing?  "We don't neeeed noooo
education...."

Go figure.

I went through a series of insecure stages where I was trying to compose
material "that people would like".  It's all pretty disappointing stuff to
me.  I played it for a few friends at various times while apologizing for
the content and sound quality, only to be told that they liked it.  Perhaps
if I'd have had the looping material done years later, it would have been
more fun for me.  I did find however that it was quite capable of being
combined with ambient concepts/elements.  So when "Sacred Songs" was finally
allowed to be released, I had a huge "eureka" effect myself.  But the
pop-ambient combo thing is about as close as I come to trying to classify my
work.

Now that I've been able to scare my wife into letting me compose in the
front room of the house - we've not moved upstairs yet as it's not
finished! - this week I'm working on material for submission to a
body-building film called "No Pain, No Gain".  I turned down a gig years ago
that was to be for a Japanese porn film, because they couldn't guarantee
that abuse of women wouldn't occur to my music.  Then I came across the bit
in "Emmanuelle" where "Larks' Tongues in Aspic" is used - however
unauthorizedly - during a rape scene.  I've now lowered my bar of contention
on this, to the effect that I won't do work for snuff films.  That's about
it.

Did anyone see aurora last night?

Steve Goodman
* EarthLight Productions
* http://www.earthlight.net

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been to two of these gigs now (with a third one coming up on Saturday) -
blimey, what an amazing band! The first half of the set is pretty hard going
(5 saxes often playing very very densely written polytonal/atonal stuff),
but it's a really really powerful sound, and the second half is
mindblowing - first up the Arte Saxophone Quartet playing one of Tim's
pieces, then Tim's quintet with Torn, Ducret, Taborn and Rainey (Tom, not
Chuck).... incredible band. Ducret has an unbelieveable sense of rhythm, and
Craig Taborn's left hand is now one of my fave bass players... :o)

On the loopage front, Torn's doing a few bits of guitar atmospherics, and
also looping and repeaterizing the saxes to great effect (and obviously,
thanks to the live mics, is getting the rest of the band as well). Tuesday's
and Wednesday's gig sounded very different - probably the switch from
concert hall to rock club...

see you in Birmingham, if you're going

Steve
www.stevelawson.net (new guestbook/forum here)

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some EDPs of different ages really dont sync up at sample level.
the solution is to replace the crystals.
the easiest is to x-replace between the two units so that Y1 of the 
older unit is exchanged with the Y2 of the older, but this may cause 
the units not to start up the first time you switch them on and still 
does not garantee you are syncable to the new units once you meet 
another brother.

so the good way is to replace all 4 cristals by some new ones you can 
get from Shane or Andy .
I personally think it would be nice of Gibson to give them for free, 
but dont expect Shane or Andy to do so, because they both work 
independent of Gibson.

I have a lot more about BrotherSync in my pipe line here, but no time... :-(

hope you are all well and looping
Matthias

>Hello all,
>
>I'm new to the list but have been perusing the archives
>for a while. I am a Chapman Stick player and do quite
>a bit of looping with the EDP. Recently, I picked up a
>second EDP to run in stereo using BrotherSync. I've
>noticed since hooking the unit up, however, that my
>right and left channels slowly go out of sync as the loop
>plays.
>
>My setup is as follows. One white face EDP and one
>EDP Plus both running Loop IV. MIDI cable from the out
>of the master to the in of the slave. A TRS to TRS cable
>connecting the two BrotherSync jacks. All parameters
>are identical on the two machines including the sync
>which is set to "Out".
>
>From what I've read in the archives, it appears that plenty
>of you have run two EDPs in stereo with great success so
>I can only assume that the blame lies squarely on my shoulders.
>
>Any insight would be most welcome.
>
>Thanks,
>Glenn


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I want to officially apologize for not getting
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Please don't hold it against me, Jesse.

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 Yeah, let's talk about list abuse instead!!!
 ...SO much more interesting than anything to do with producing CD, sharing
 sounds, self-promotion...

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EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each =
Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in =
Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.

                    Show #348                    November 20, 2003

RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Vir Unis, sculptor of =
sound
worlds and grooves.  The Featured CD at Midnight was "Gathering 33" on =
the
Space for Music label.

The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "In the Garden of Pharao/Aguirre" by =
Popol
Vuh on Celestial Harmonies.

I played the music of Xeroid Entity and Plankton to promote their =
appearance at
the Gathe to Moonbase Alpha on November 21st.  Check the Events page for
details.

Vir Unis - =
http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#nov
Events - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/events.html


PLAYLIST:

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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11:00 pm
Popol Vuh               Aguirre *                In the Gardens of =
Pharao/
                                                  Aguirre (Celestial =
Harmonies)
Steve Roach             Sundial                  Life Sequence (Timeroom =
Ed.)
Xeroid Entity           Titan                    Moons of Saturn =
(Electromusic)
Dom F. Scab             Technical Shapes         About a Tree (Groove)
Plankton                Untitled (track 2)       CDR (none)
Navigator               Loenstrup                Airwaves (Groove)
Larry Kucharz           Red Wash No. 4           Ambient Red Washes
                                                   (International =
Audiochrome)
Vir Unis                Aleph                    Book of Mutations =
(AtmoWorks)
Vir Unis                A Link to Forever        Book of Mutations =
(AtmoWorks)

12:00 am
Vir Unis                An Opening Occurs        Gathering 33 (Space for =
Music)
Vir Unis                Approaching the Portal   Gathering 33 (Space for =
Music)
Vir Unis                Finding the Center       Gathering 33 (Space for =
Music)
Vir Unis                Transient Light          Gathering 33 (Space for =
Music)
Vir Unis                Passage                  Gathering 33 (Space for =
Music)
Vir Unis                Return                   Gathering 33 (Space for =
Music)

1:00 am

 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
++ =3D Advance CDR from Artist


NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Vir Unis.  The
Featured CD at Midnight will be "Mercury and Plastic" on AtmoWorks.

The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Rhizosphere" by Richard Pinhas on =
Cobra.

Bill
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=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient,  and space music show,  =
Thursdays at 11
pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in =
Easton
and Phillipsburg.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org  and click  =
LISTEN
EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic
To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This =
Group!] at
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Thursday
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93.9 FM=20
in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.


 


            =
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    Show #348       =20
            November 20, =
2003


 


RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Vir =
Unis,=20
sculptor of sound
worlds and grooves.  The Featured CD at =
Midnight was=20
"Gathering 33" on the
Space for Music label.


 


The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "In the Garden of Pharao/Aguirre" =
by=20
Popol
Vuh on Celestial Harmonies.


 


I played the music of Xeroid Entity and Plankton to promote their=20
appearance at
the Gathe to Moonbase Alpha on November 21st.  =
Check the=20
Events page for
details.


 


Vir Unis - =
http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#nov
Ev=
ents=20
- http://wdiy.org/prog=
rams/emusic/events.html


 



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In the Gardens of=20
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Wash No.=20
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Book of Mutations (AtmoWorks)
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A Link to Forever        Book of =
Mutations=20
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Unis           &nb=
sp;   =20
An Opening Occurs        Gathering 33 =
(Space=20
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Vir=20
Unis           &nb=
sp;   =20
Approaching the Portal   Gathering 33 (Space for Music)
Vir =

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sp;   =20
Finding the Center       Gathering 33 =
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Vir=20
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Transient Light          =
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Passage           =
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Return           &=
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Gathering 33 (Space for Music)


 


1:00 am


 


 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
++ =
=3D Advance CDR=20
from Artist


 



NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long =
focus on=20
Vir Unis.  The
Featured CD at Midnight will be "Mercury and =
Plastic" on=20
AtmoWorks.


 


The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Rhizosphere" by Richard =
Pinhas on=20
Cobra.


 


Bill
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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20
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Thursdays=20
at 11
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93.9 FM in=20
Easton
and Phillipsburg.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org  and click =20
LISTEN
EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic<=
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To=20
subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This =
Group!]=20
at
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thank you, all that answered, for your answers.  particularly to mike and
steve for their in-depth replies.   i think i learned some of what i wanted
to know.   i think that the total "tweeker" percentage of this list is
somewhat smaller than i had originally surmised.   however, i'm not
disappointed, somehow.   it seems that whether or not one is looper with all
"1"s or "5"s, listener accessibility is still an issue.
i am constantly torn between trying to create something as innovative as
possible and trying to reach people with my art.  now that i am getting more
proficient with the bouzouki, i find avenues opening for me that were closed
with the guitar.   the exotic nature of the instrument lowers the incidence
of preconceived notions on the part of the listener, and i am able to do
more of what i want to do without confusing everyone.   the best response
that i get is from my most traditional project, which features bouzouki and
dulcimer on plate, no frills, nothing fancy.
at the same time, i'm doing "live vocal capture, manipulation, and remix"
with a poet named skip fox.  this is a much older guy talking about death
and madness and nature.   my buddy and i twist his voice up on loopers and
delays and what comes out definitely does not NOT have a good beat and you
CANNOT dance to it.   i feel so much more creative and artistically powerful
when i'm working on this project.   if i ever make a penny on it, i will be
the most surprised man on the face of this earth.   more importantly, i once
heard art described as necessarily having an element of communication.   i
am sure that i will only be communicating with a very limited number of
people out there with my favorite but troubled work.
how this all comes back to looping is i have begun to wonder if my different
projects are defined by more than just the medium that i am working in.   i
have what i consider are my "electronic dance" project, my "acoustic"
project, and my "poetry remix" project.  i'm beginning to wonder if i should
even bother to try to mix these elements at all. ars gratis ars. loop gratis
loop. i should only bother to put out the tip jar for the bouzouki jamboree.
i should loop for myself and grow hair on my palms.
mike barrs mentioned mainly being compelled to put the looper in a
traditional context.   i wish that was what the looper wanted me to do with
it.   i starting to make money with a few hundred dollars of string and wood
and i have five grand sunk in crap that will never sell an album.
ah well, the rant sets in.  thank you again for your responses, they were
invariably varied.
lance


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From: "Steve Goodman" 
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Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 4:25 AM
Subject: Re: a general question


> "Lance Chance"  inquired:
>
> > whoever cares to reply.   you consider your loop work:
> >
> > 1 totally ambient, atonal, arrhythmic
>
> At times any of the above.  I consider my work 'situational' at times, in
> that it is more attuned to soundtrack work - and this can be 'ambient',
> atonal, AND/OR arrhythmic.
>
> > 2
>
> I get it, "there is no number 2", right? :)
>
> > 3 a little of both, some of both (rhythmic, but atonal) (atonal, but
> > rhythmic)
>
> At times, that too.
>
> > 4
>
> Whither "4"? :)
>
> > 5 song oriented, rhythmic, tonal
>
> Like I said, whatever comes out comes out.  I am fairly committed to the
> idea of combining the mode of a 'pop' song with 'ambient', looping,
atonal,
> and/or arrhythmic material.  My favorite examples of this would be Peter
> Gabriel's first three solo albums, and of course the beautiful "Sacred
> Songs" by Daryl Hall and Robert Fripp.  I'd love to play with folks who
have
> that same concept at heart.  If they exist.
>
> One of the nice side effects of the ambient-pop mixture (or its variants)
is
> that 'regular' folks who would otherwise turn their noses up at stuff
minus
> the 'pop' element find themselves listening (and with interest!) to
> non-'pop' material.  I have always thought that Bowie's negative attitude
> towards the "Let's Dance" period left out this very important factor.  It
> was great fun and not a little satisfying to introduce 'normal' folks to
> Bowie's older material, such that their attitudes would be like the
> following:
>
> 1974: "BOWIE?!?  Ewwwww!" (leaves party)
> 1982: "Wow!" (add to this singing along with "Let's Dance" etc.")
> 1982: "This is GREAT!  Who is it?" (while listening to "Diamond Dogs",
etc.)
>
> I could say the same for Pink Floyd, which so revolted a friend of mine in
> the late 70s that she'd start saying things like "Ooooh, the WALLS are
> BREATHING..." before leaving the room.  Come "The Wall", and her wedding
> reception, what was on the play list for dancing?  "We don't neeeed noooo
> education...."
>
> Go figure.
>
> I went through a series of insecure stages where I was trying to compose
> material "that people would like".  It's all pretty disappointing stuff to
> me.  I played it for a few friends at various times while apologizing for
> the content and sound quality, only to be told that they liked it.
Perhaps
> if I'd have had the looping material done years later, it would have been
> more fun for me.  I did find however that it was quite capable of being
> combined with ambient concepts/elements.  So when "Sacred Songs" was
finally
> allowed to be released, I had a huge "eureka" effect myself.  But the
> pop-ambient combo thing is about as close as I come to trying to classify
my
> work.
>
> Now that I've been able to scare my wife into letting me compose in the
> front room of the house - we've not moved upstairs yet as it's not
> finished! - this week I'm working on material for submission to a
> body-building film called "No Pain, No Gain".  I turned down a gig years
ago
> that was to be for a Japanese porn film, because they couldn't guarantee
> that abuse of women wouldn't occur to my music.  Then I came across the
bit
> in "Emmanuelle" where "Larks' Tongues in Aspic" is used - however
> unauthorizedly - during a rape scene.  I've now lowered my bar of
contention
> on this, to the effect that I won't do work for snuff films.  That's about
> it.
>
> Did anyone see aurora last night?
>
> Steve Goodman
> * EarthLight Productions
> * http://www.earthlight.net
>

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I'm new to the list and new to looping (please don't hit delete yet!).  
A basic question, I think, for the experienced users out there:

Can I get the live looping capability I'm hoping for using Ableton Live 
3.0 and a midi foot controller, such as is available on the numerous 
hardware loopers such as the Boomerang, Electrix, Echoplex, etc.?  If 
not, is there any software solution for Mac OS X that will do what I'm 
imagining?

At minimum, I need foot control and instant loop start/playback.  I'm 
hoping for midi sync with a sequencer (software and/or hardware based). 
  Ideally, I'd also like these features:
	- multiple track loop input/output/undo where I can lay down several 
loops and then remove/replace individual tracks.
	-support for at least 2 simultaneous users, preferrably w/ separate 
foot controllers that can each be set to manipulate separate tracks on 
the same loop
	-support for audiounit instruments and effects
	-I'd like it to be freeware. (ha)

I've been playing around with a demo of Ableton Live and just can't 
figure out if it has the capabilities I need. Maybe someone with a 
better understanding of Live can offer some advice?  If figured out how 
to record input at a basic level, but I can't figure out how to get a 
loop to overdub.  It mentions that "resampling" is not possible with 
the demo version, is that the feature I need to do what I want?  I 
don't want to drop a few hundred on this software and find out it's not 
what I need.

O.K., so maybe that's not so "basic" a question as I thought.  Thanks 
though for reading and thanks in advance for your input.

Blair

--
blairwillis@liquidvision.us

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Hi all,

I layed a regular musicians night last night,did a little acoustic set, then 
someone noticed i had my DL-4 tucked away in my gig bag.
  after a bit (a lot) of encouragement, i got up and performed a very paired 
down looped set..........they loved it.

this is the deepest carlisle (imagine the sort of place you might have to 
sit to write lord of the rings.......grass,sheep, cold winde etc) surrounded 
by old school wannabe folk singers, and all of a sudden im fielding a 
disscussion forum on looping!!!!it felt quite absurd.
  Im actually going back in a few weeks to give a little surgery style run 
down on live looping, which is one of the biggest honours ive ever been 
asked to do.

  Anyways, all of this got me thinking,out of all of the people who were 
crowding round me at the end of that session , onle one was a guitarist, and 
he had never come across any loop based device.
  Is it possible that we (or more impportantley the device manufacturers) 
could do so much more for Looping (and other kinds of effects/manipulation) 
if they slowly started to introduce the idea to music shops that effects and 
loopers can be applied to almost any instrument and that they arent the 
exclusive relm of guitarists.
  I dont know what others have experianced, (in fact please write in and 
say) but I have always had to look around the guitar department for and 
effect i wanted to buy.
  Last night for example there was a violinist who had wanted fr years to 
perform siple threepart pieces alone accompanying herself, but had never 
even thought of looking in a guitar shop for a looper.

  there is obviously a whole load fo mucisians out there who if given the 
knowlage would  begin furthering out efforts.

anyways, this has kind of got a bit vague and rambling, but you get the 
idea.
Phill

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-----Original Message-----
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Hi all,

I layed a regular musicians night last night,did a little acoustic set, then
someone noticed i had my DL-4 tucked away in my gig bag.
  after a bit (a lot) of encouragement, i got up and performed a very paired
down looped set..........they loved it.

----->Congratulations!
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Gary


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-----Original Message-----
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i starting to make money with a few hundred dollars of string and wood
and i have five grand sunk in crap that will never sell an album.

----->The few hundred dollar hunka hunka whatever didn't make the money for
you.  I am willing to guess that it was the "state" you were able to create
with it that convinced people to give you their money.  Find a way to do the
same thing with a looper and you can get the same money--but probably not
more, because the market for what you can do with the cheaper thing pays the
same no matter how much other gear you have.
Here'a a question for the performers on this list--are there fewer gigs in
your area than, say, ten years ago?
Gary
PS  Still no New Year's gig,
G


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>>...and what comes out definitely does not NOT have a good beat and you CANNOT dance to it...<<

sometimes it's difficult to know what to do with/for an audience when the noises you're making aren't danceable-to. personally, I ignore them, so as not to be offended when they're apparently falling asleep. I reckon that if someone is asleep within a few minutes of one of our sets or albums starting, that's a good-job-done. sometimes staring at the musicians or their attempt at visuals is just not an option (we don't always have time to sort out and set up video systems), and so they shut their eyes. fine with me, so long as they paid to get in and they're still there at the end.....

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>>...and what comes out definitely does not NOT hav=
e a good beat and you CANNOT dance to it...<<




sometimes it's difficult to know what to do with/for an a=
udience when the noises you're making aren't danceable-to. personally, I ig=
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 I reckon that if someone is asleep within a few minutes of one of our sets=
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Steve Lawson wrote:

>On the loopage front, Torn's doing a few bits of guitar atmospherics, and
>also looping and repeaterizing the saxes to great effect (and obviously,
>thanks to the live mics, is getting the rest of the band as well). Tuesday's
>and Wednesday's gig sounded very different - probably the switch from
>concert hall to rock club...
>
My guess is dt is using the microphone he had built into
the guitar.

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On 03-11-21 17.02,  "Blair Willis"  wrote:

> 
> Can I get the live looping capability I'm hoping for using Ableton Live
> 3.0 and a midi foot controller, such as is available on the numerous
> hardware loopers such as the Boomerang, Electrix, Echoplex, etc.?

No. Abletoon Live can not offer you the most basic looping technique of all
- overdubbing while tweaking feedback (layering sound-on-sound).

> If 
> not, is there any software solution for Mac OS X that will do what I'm
> imagining?

As far as I know only plug-ins like the Lexicon PSP42 and others. PSP has
not gone AU yet but they are on their way.
 
> At minimum, I need foot control and instant loop start/playback.

Yes. Can be done in Ableton Live :-)

> I'm 
> hoping for midi sync with a sequencer (software and/or hardware based).

Yes. Can be done in Ableton Live :-)

> Ideally, I'd also like these features:
> - multiple track loop input/output/undo where I can lay down several
> loops and then remove/replace individual tracks.

Yes. Can be done in Ableton Live :-)

> -support for at least 2 simultaneous users, preferrably w/ separate
> foot controllers that can each be set to manipulate separate tracks on
> the same loop

Yes. Can be done in Ableton Live :-)

> -support for audiounit instruments and effects

Not yet. Only VST. But the built in effects are very good.
 
> I've been playing around with a demo of Ableton Live and just can't
> figure out if it has the capabilities I need.

Isn't the PDF manual included with the demo?

> to record input at a basic level, but I can't figure out how to get a
> loop to overdub. 

You can't do that in Live. Only by running a delay plug-in on a track, but
that's rather limiting.

> It mentions that "resampling" is not possible with
> the demo version, is that the feature I need to do what I want?

No. Not if you refer to "Consolidate" when you are saying "resample". From
the manual: "The Consolidate command replaces the material in the
Arrangement View selection with one new clip per track. This is very useful
for creating structure." So it's just a routine to glue small parts together
into a larger part (sound file, actually).

  I 
> don't want to drop a few hundred on this software and find out it's not
> what I need.

Read the PDF manual. It's all in there. I can send it to you if you did not
get it with the demo version. You can also go to the forum at
www.ableton.com and ask the more experienced users. Many good questions have
been posted and answered over there.

-- 
Best wishes

Per Boysen
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RE: a general questiongoddard.duncan@mtvne.com put forth:

<<
sometimes it's difficult to know what to do with/for an audience when the
noises you're making aren't danceable-to. personally, I ignore them, so as
not to be offended when they're apparently falling asleep. I reckon that if
someone is asleep within a few minutes of one of our sets or albums
starting, that's a good-job-done. sometimes staring at the musicians or
their attempt at visuals is just not an option (we don't always have time to
sort out and set up video systems), and so they shut their eyes. fine with
me, so long as they paid to get in and they're still there at the end.....
duncan/r.m.i.
>>

I still remember once at the 2001 "Critical Mass" show, I heard someone
begin to mutter during a quiet section of the first set, and responded to it
with guitar as a kind of vocal-paced strum.  It also gave a slightly
unexpected jolt to the piece (to me and the listeners!), and afterward
calmed the piece down a bit, as if to fade off an argument of some unknown
kind.  The talkers shut up, and I ended up with something more than a quiet
"ambient" piece on the MD.

In retrospect I remembered later that I was really REALLY pissed at someone
having the lack of manners in order to talk loud enough for anyone to hear,
let alone me.  My initial desired reaction was to do a loud wham and cause a
kind of exploding sound, I was thinking of the time Jimmy Page's hand got
hit with a cherry bomb at Madison Sq Garden in '76, and he let loose with a
loud whamm! with feedback the likes of which had many of us holding our
heads.  So I guess the tone I had decided to maintain for the evening
prevailed.  End result, an interesting piece.

Shoes for Industry!

Steve Goodman
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and what would have been wrong with a gentle email suggesting this 
instead of throwing terms like list abuse around?

This sounds like another case of "No good deed goes unpunished.", 
which is an attitude I prefer to associate with bureaucrats than with 
experimental musicians.

At 2:30 PM -0800 11/20/03, loop.pool wrote:
>Nic wrote:
>"And what would have been wrong with a simple 'mail me off-list'?
>
>Agreed!
>
>Rick


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> I still remember once at the 2001 "Critical Mass" show, I heard someone
> begin to mutter during a quiet section of the first set, and responded to it
> with guitar as a kind of vocal-paced strum.  It also gave a slightly
> unexpected jolt to the piece (to me and the listeners!), and afterward
> calmed the piece down a bit, as if to fade off an argument of some unknown
> kind.  The talkers shut up, and I ended up with something more than a quiet
> "ambient" piece on the MD.
> 
> In retrospect I remembered later that I was really REALLY pissed at someone
> having the lack of manners in order to talk loud enough for anyone to hear,
> let alone me.  My initial desired reaction was to do a loud wham and cause a
> kind of exploding sound, I was thinking of the time Jimmy Page's hand got
> hit with a cherry bomb at Madison Sq Garden in '76, and he let loose with a
> loud whamm! with feedback the likes of which had many of us holding our
> heads.  So I guess the tone I had decided to maintain for the evening
> prevailed.  End result, an interesting piece.
> Steve Goodman

Right On - Don't punish the whole class for the sins of the one.
Work it into the lesson plan.  ;)

Cheers,
Scott M2

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Emile Tobenfeld wrote:
>and what would have been wrong with a gentle email suggesting this instead 
>of throwing terms like list abuse around?

Please explain how your posting is better. Is it gentler, and does it avoid 
throwing terms like 'bureaucrat' around?

>
>This sounds like another case of "No good deed goes unpunished.", which is 
>an attitude I prefer to associate with bureaucrats than with experimental 
>musicians.

Perhaps your analysis is flawed:
(quoted from the original posting):
1. "I'm giving ten copies away free ...
2. "... to the next ten people that email the list and write, "send me Zen 
Engine!"  Please do not email my personal address, just the Looper's Delight 
list."

No-one had any concerns with the first (the 'good deed'). The objections 
were aimed at the second, and rightfully so. Do you have any suggestions for 
a non-offensive, politically correct synonym for "list abuse"?

In this light, would you care to reformulate your previous posting, this 
time avoiding careless public insults?

Oh.. I can't speak for Rick, but I think I might prefer your reply on-list.

Best regards,
Nic

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----->If he gives free copies away to everyone who responds, is it still
list abuse?
Gary
PS  I haven't bellied up to the trough yet for my free lunch &8>)

Gary Lehmann

Candy Meyer, RN, BSN

HealthQuest Recruiters



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Emile Tobenfeld wrote:
>and what would have been wrong with a gentle email suggesting this instead
>of throwing terms like list abuse around?

Please explain how your posting is better. Is it gentler, and does it avoid
throwing terms like 'bureaucrat' around?

>
>This sounds like another case of "No good deed goes unpunished.", which is
>an attitude I prefer to associate with bureaucrats than with experimental
>musicians.

Perhaps your analysis is flawed:
(quoted from the original posting):
1. "I'm giving ten copies away free ...
2. "... to the next ten people that email the list and write, "send me Zen
Engine!"  Please do not email my personal address, just the Looper's Delight
list."

No-one had any concerns with the first (the 'good deed'). The objections
were aimed at the second, and rightfully so. Do you have any suggestions for
a non-offensive, politically correct synonym for "list abuse"?

In this light, would you care to reformulate your previous posting, this
time avoiding careless public insults?

Oh.. I can't speak for Rick, but I think I might prefer your reply on-list.

Best regards,
Nic

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A gentle post (offering a free CD) deserves a gentle response 
(suggesting that the poster would have been better to  ask users to 
direct their responses off-list).

An un-gentle post (calling the person who offered the CD abusive) 
deserves a less gentle response.



At 12:23 PM -0800 11/21/03, Nic Roozeboom wrote:
>Emile Tobenfeld wrote:
>>and what would have been wrong with a gentle email suggesting this 
>>instead of throwing terms like list abuse around?
>
>Please explain how your posting is better. Is it gentler, and does 
>it avoid throwing terms like 'bureaucrat' around?
>
>>
>>This sounds like another case of "No good deed goes unpunished.", 
>>which is an attitude I prefer to associate with bureaucrats than 
>>with experimental musicians.
>
>Perhaps your analysis is flawed:
>(quoted from the original posting):
>1. "I'm giving ten copies away free ...
>2. "... to the next ten people that email the list and write, "send 
>me Zen Engine!"  Please do not email my personal address, just the 
>Looper's Delight list."
>
>No-one had any concerns with the first (the 'good deed'). The 
>objections were aimed at the second, and rightfully so. Do you have 
>any suggestions for a non-offensive, politically correct synonym for 
>"list abuse"?
>
>In this light, would you care to reformulate your previous posting, 
>this time avoiding careless public insults?
>
>Oh.. I can't speak for Rick, but I think I might prefer your reply on-list.
>
>Best regards,
>Nic
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>Is there a gadget-lover on your gift list?  MSN Shopping has lined 
>up some good bets!  http://shopping.msn.com


-- 
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      --  Laurie Anderson -- pre 9.11

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unfortunately, i think that "state" that i create with the acoustic stuff
was sort of the antithesis of the state that i create with tech.   that
stuff is very consciously appalachian "pure" acoustic.   that's my problem,
i guess.  i love to do crazy tech but can't get an audience for it.   i only
like doing the acoustic stuff, but the locals seem to respond better to it.
i have mixed the two and found it personally gratifying, to a degree, and i
developed some techniques.  unfortunately, i just put my hands on a looper
and i always want to get totally crazy with it.
in answer to your question:  i would say that the market for really esoteric
stuff has been down a little.   however, it seems like it might be picking
up.  it's like in the 70's and 80's people were wowed by tech, through the
90's they have gotten steadily more jaded and reactionary to it, but now
tech is ubiquitous and even being a musical luddite is becoming virtually
impossible.   i think people are getting ready to see some real tech flex,
if you know what i mean.   i'm hoping that the atmosphere that allowed
reception for throbbing gristle and brian eno is about to roll around again.

lance


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lance Chance [mailto:lrc8918@louisiana.edu]
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 7:32 AM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: a general question
>
> 
> i starting to make money with a few hundred dollars of string and wood
> and i have five grand sunk in crap that will never sell an album.
>
> ----->The few hundred dollar hunka hunka whatever didn't make the money
for
> you.  I am willing to guess that it was the "state" you were able to
create
> with it that convinced people to give you their money.  Find a way to do
the
> same thing with a looper and you can get the same money--but probably not
> more, because the market for what you can do with the cheaper thing pays
the
> same no matter how much other gear you have.
> Here'a a question for the performers on this list--are there fewer gigs in
> your area than, say, ten years ago?
> Gary
> PS  Still no New Year's gig,
> G
>
>

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>A gentle post (offering a free CD) deserves a gentle response (suggesting 
>that the poster would have been better to  ask users to direct their 
>responses off-list).
>
>An un-gentle post (calling the person who offered the CD abusive) deserves 
>a less gentle response.

In any case, we'd like responses to be informed. Otherwise, best to refrain 
from comment.
Nic


>From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" 
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>Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:50:02 -0500
>
>A gentle post (offering a free CD) deserves a gentle response (suggesting 
>that the poster would have been better to  ask users to direct their 
>responses off-list).
>
>An un-gentle post (calling the person who offered the CD abusive) deserves 
>a less gentle response.
>
>
>
>At 12:23 PM -0800 11/21/03, Nic Roozeboom wrote:
>>Emile Tobenfeld wrote:
>>>and what would have been wrong with a gentle email suggesting this 
>>>instead of throwing terms like list abuse around?
>>
>>Please explain how your posting is better. Is it gentler, and does it 
>>avoid throwing terms like 'bureaucrat' around?
>>
>>>
>>>This sounds like another case of "No good deed goes unpunished.", which 
>>>is an attitude I prefer to associate with bureaucrats than with 
>>>experimental musicians.
>>
>>Perhaps your analysis is flawed:
>>(quoted from the original posting):
>>1. "I'm giving ten copies away free ...
>>2. "... to the next ten people that email the list and write, "send me Zen 
>>Engine!"  Please do not email my personal address, just the Looper's 
>>Delight list."
>>
>>No-one had any concerns with the first (the 'good deed'). The objections 
>>were aimed at the second, and rightfully so. Do you have any suggestions 
>>for a non-offensive, politically correct synonym for "list abuse"?
>>
>>In this light, would you care to reformulate your previous posting, this 
>>time avoiding careless public insults?
>>
>>Oh.. I can't speak for Rick, but I think I might prefer your reply 
>>on-list.
>>
>>Best regards,
>>Nic
>>
>>_________________________________________________________________
>>Is there a gadget-lover on your gift list?  MSN Shopping has lined up some 
>>good bets!  http://shopping.msn.com
>
>
>--
>"Freedom is a scary thing ---  Not many people really want it"
>      --  Laurie Anderson -- pre 9.11
>
>"Freedom is a scary thing --- So precious, so easy to lose".
>      --  Laurie Anderson -- post 9.11
>
>Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at 
>http://www.foryourhead.com
>
>		Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D.
>Video Producer			Image Processing Specialist
>Video for your HEAD!			Boris FX
>http://www.foryourhead.com		http://www.borisfx.com
>

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I have an Oberheim EDP and a Gibson EDP (from the "group buy").  I've
noticed that synchronization of my two EDPs drift since I upgraded them to
the newest version software.  This didn't happen before.

Has anyone else encountered this?

David

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> some EDPs of different ages really dont sync up at sample level.
> the solution is to replace the crystals.
> the easiest is to x-replace between the two units so that Y1 of the
> older unit is exchanged with the Y2 of the older, but this may cause
> the units not to start up the first time you switch them on and still
> does not garantee you are syncable to the new units once you meet
> another brother.
>
> so the good way is to replace all 4 cristals by some new ones you can
> get from Shane or Andy .
> I personally think it would be nice of Gibson to give them for free,
> but dont expect Shane or Andy to do so, because they both work
> independent of Gibson.
>
> I have a lot more about BrotherSync in my pipe line here, but no time...
:-(
>
> hope you are all well and looping
> Matthias
>
> >Hello all,
> >
> >I'm new to the list but have been perusing the archives
> >for a while. I am a Chapman Stick player and do quite
> >a bit of looping with the EDP. Recently, I picked up a
> >second EDP to run in stereo using BrotherSync. I've
> >noticed since hooking the unit up, however, that my
> >right and left channels slowly go out of sync as the loop
> >plays.
> >
> >My setup is as follows. One white face EDP and one
> >EDP Plus both running Loop IV. MIDI cable from the out
> >of the master to the in of the slave. A TRS to TRS cable
> >connecting the two BrotherSync jacks. All parameters
> >are identical on the two machines including the sync
> >which is set to "Out".
> >
> >From what I've read in the archives, it appears that plenty
> >of you have run two EDPs in stereo with great success so
> >I can only assume that the blame lies squarely on my shoulders.
> >
> >Any insight would be most welcome.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Glenn
>
>
> -- 
>
>
>           ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org
>

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In the words of Groucho Marx, "Don't worry about the money--there isn't
any."
A problem can be created if you buy these expensive digital loop devices
with the expectation that $$ can be generated from them.
Best to create for yourself within your budget and play out for $$ with the
tools that are appropriate--but if you can sell psycho techno nightmare, go
for it!
Gary
PS  Copyright impending
G


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> 
> > to record input at a basic level, but I can't figure out how to get
a
> > loop to overdub.
> 
> You can't do that in Live. Only by running a delay plug-in on a track,
but
> that's rather limiting.
> 

Wouldn't recording onto a different channel/track be considered
overdubbing? If so, and I think the definition of overdubbing is that,
with independent control of levels, pan, etc---

 Can be done in Ableton Live :-) 

Neil


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Hello.

Probably like many of you, I've sent CD's of my looping-based =
unguitar-music (UNDO) for FREE to journalists, radio-stations, friends =
and relatives.
I've still a few CD's of UNDO "UN" and UNDO "DEUX" sitting in a box.  =
They don't get heard inside a box.

Strikes me if I'm giving them away for free to relative strangers, why =
not make them available to an audience of fellow-loopers?

IF YOU WOULD LIKE A COPY OF UNDO, PLEASE REPLY TO  ME  DIRECTLY  WITH AN =
APPROPRIATE MAILING ADDRESS -- AND NOT TO THE LOOPERS-DELIGHT LIST.

Thank you.

David Kirkdorffer

P.S.  Oh yes, let me not pass up the opportunity to also mention David =
Torn and Robert Fripp in this e-mail.  :-)
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Hello.


 


Probably like many of you, I've sent =
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radio-stations,=20
friends and relatives.
I've still a few CD's of UNDO "UN" and UNDO =
"DEUX"=20
sitting in a box.  They don't get heard inside =
a box.


 


Strikes me if I'm giving them away for =
free to=20
relative strangers, why not make them available to an audience of=20
fellow-loopers?


 


IF YOU WOULD =
LIKE A=20
COPY OF UNDO, PLEASE REPLY TO  ME  DIRECTLY  =
WITH AN=20
APPROPRIATE MAILING ADDRESS -- AND NOT TO THE LOOPERS-DELIGHT =
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Thank you.


 


David Kirkdorffer


 


P.S.  Oh yes, let me not pass up =
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Congratulations on your looping experience.

I just wanted to say that at the recent Y2K3 festival that 17 out of 27
loopers were NON-guitarists (well that did include two bassists and a
warwicken, but ask Yngve 'fucking' Malmstein if a bass is a
guitar ---------
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In anycase, who is this 'we' you are elected to speak for? ;-p

personally, I don't care if someone is informed or not... it's ok to be
wrong.. it ok to express ones opinion and have it differ from everyone elses...
it called 'dialog'... and while I while I agree with Emile's basic idea
that the responses to the original poster could have been more gentle, I
disagree that a non-gentle post should be responded to in a non-gentle way.
Why escalate a heated dialog more? Why not try and bring it back down to
a place where people can communicate, instead of fight? Anyway, this is
just my opinon.. it's not meant to tell anyone how to be, just tossing out
a different perspective in hopes that we might try and all be on the same
side... :)

peace
-cpr

p.s. since my perspectives have previously been catagorized under 'apathetic',
I thought I'd toss in something I read recently that does a better job at
saying what I am trying to say: "Through active self-discipline, and not
meekness as is commonly misunderstood, we can transform anger through compassion
and to be reconciled with ourselves and others."


>-- Original Message --
>From: "Nic Roozeboom" 
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Subject: Re: No Good deed ... was Re:List abuse? (was...Completely Free)
>Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:25:04 -0800
>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>
>
>>A gentle post (offering a free CD) deserves a gentle response (suggesting
>
>>that the poster would have been better to  ask users to direct their 
>>responses off-list).
>>
>>An un-gentle post (calling the person who offered the CD abusive) deserves
>
>>a less gentle response.
>
>In any case, we'd like responses to be informed. Otherwise, best to refrain
>
>from comment.
>Nic
>
>
>>From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" 
>>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>Subject: Re: No Good deed ... was Re:List abuse? (was...Completely Free)
>>Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:50:02 -0500
>>
>>A gentle post (offering a free CD) deserves a gentle response (suggesting
>
>>that the poster would have been better to  ask users to direct their 
>>responses off-list).
>>
>>An un-gentle post (calling the person who offered the CD abusive) deserves
>
>>a less gentle response.
>>
>>
>>
>>At 12:23 PM -0800 11/21/03, Nic Roozeboom wrote:
>>>Emile Tobenfeld wrote:
>>>>and what would have been wrong with a gentle email suggesting this 
>>>>instead of throwing terms like list abuse around?
>>>
>>>Please explain how your posting is better. Is it gentler, and does it

>>>avoid throwing terms like 'bureaucrat' around?
>>>
>>>>
>>>>This sounds like another case of "No good deed goes unpunished.", which
>
>>>>is an attitude I prefer to associate with bureaucrats than with 
>>>>experimental musicians.
>>>
>>>Perhaps your analysis is flawed:
>>>(quoted from the original posting):
>>>1. "I'm giving ten copies away free ...
>>>2. "... to the next ten people that email the list and write, "send me
>Zen 
>>>Engine!"  Please do not email my personal address, just the Looper's

>>>Delight list."
>>>
>>>No-one had any concerns with the first (the 'good deed'). The objections
>
>>>were aimed at the second, and rightfully so. Do you have any suggestions
>
>>>for a non-offensive, politically correct synonym for "list abuse"?
>>>
>>>In this light, would you care to reformulate your previous posting, this
>
>>>time avoiding careless public insults?
>>>
>>>Oh.. I can't speak for Rick, but I think I might prefer your reply 
>>>on-list.
>>>
>>>Best regards,
>>>Nic
>>>
>>>_________________________________________________________________
>>>Is there a gadget-lover on your gift list?  MSN Shopping has lined up
some
>
>>>good bets!  http://shopping.msn.com
>>
>>
>>--
>>"Freedom is a scary thing ---  Not many people really want it"
>>      --  Laurie Anderson -- pre 9.11
>>
>>"Freedom is a scary thing --- So precious, so easy to lose".
>>      --  Laurie Anderson -- post 9.11
>>
>>Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at 
>>http://www.foryourhead.com
>>
>>		Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D.
>>Video Producer			Image Processing Specialist
>>Video for your HEAD!			Boris FX
>>http://www.foryourhead.com		http://www.borisfx.com
>>
>
>_________________________________________________________________
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You guys need to get over it. Calling an action list abuse isn't really a
personal attack on the person - it's not even a hostile response to a gentle
request. It is what it is. What I am doing right now is considered List
Abuse - it's off topic and really does nothing for the list.

The guy already apologized. Why are you guys making something new out of
this? 

Go fucking loop something and then come back here and tell me all about it
:)



-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Roberts [mailto:cpr@musetrap.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 2:09 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: No Good deed ... was Re:List abuse? (was...Completely Free)

In anycase, who is this 'we' you are elected to speak for? ;-p

personally, I don't care if someone is informed or not... it's ok to be
wrong.. it ok to express ones opinion and have it differ from everyone
elses...
it called 'dialog'... and while I while I agree with Emile's basic idea
that the responses to the original poster could have been more gentle, I
disagree that a non-gentle post should be responded to in a non-gentle way.
Why escalate a heated dialog more? Why not try and bring it back down to
a place where people can communicate, instead of fight? Anyway, this is
just my opinon.. it's not meant to tell anyone how to be, just tossing out
a different perspective in hopes that we might try and all be on the same
side... :)

peace
-cpr

p.s. since my perspectives have previously been catagorized under
'apathetic',
I thought I'd toss in something I read recently that does a better job at
saying what I am trying to say: "Through active self-discipline, and not
meekness as is commonly misunderstood, we can transform anger through
compassion
and to be reconciled with ourselves and others."


>-- Original Message --
>From: "Nic Roozeboom" 
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Subject: Re: No Good deed ... was Re:List abuse? (was...Completely Free)
>Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:25:04 -0800
>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>
>
>>A gentle post (offering a free CD) deserves a gentle response (suggesting
>
>>that the poster would have been better to  ask users to direct their 
>>responses off-list).
>>
>>An un-gentle post (calling the person who offered the CD abusive) deserves
>
>>a less gentle response.
>
>In any case, we'd like responses to be informed. Otherwise, best to refrain
>
>from comment.
>Nic
>
>
>>From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" 
>>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>Subject: Re: No Good deed ... was Re:List abuse? (was...Completely Free)
>>Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:50:02 -0500
>>
>>A gentle post (offering a free CD) deserves a gentle response (suggesting
>
>>that the poster would have been better to  ask users to direct their 
>>responses off-list).
>>
>>An un-gentle post (calling the person who offered the CD abusive) deserves
>
>>a less gentle response.
>>
>>
>>
>>At 12:23 PM -0800 11/21/03, Nic Roozeboom wrote:
>>>Emile Tobenfeld wrote:
>>>>and what would have been wrong with a gentle email suggesting this 
>>>>instead of throwing terms like list abuse around?
>>>
>>>Please explain how your posting is better. Is it gentler, and does it

>>>avoid throwing terms like 'bureaucrat' around?
>>>
>>>>
>>>>This sounds like another case of "No good deed goes unpunished.", which
>
>>>>is an attitude I prefer to associate with bureaucrats than with 
>>>>experimental musicians.
>>>
>>>Perhaps your analysis is flawed:
>>>(quoted from the original posting):
>>>1. "I'm giving ten copies away free ...
>>>2. "... to the next ten people that email the list and write, "send me
>Zen 
>>>Engine!"  Please do not email my personal address, just the Looper's

>>>Delight list."
>>>
>>>No-one had any concerns with the first (the 'good deed'). The objections
>
>>>were aimed at the second, and rightfully so. Do you have any suggestions
>
>>>for a non-offensive, politically correct synonym for "list abuse"?
>>>
>>>In this light, would you care to reformulate your previous posting, this
>
>>>time avoiding careless public insults?
>>>
>>>Oh.. I can't speak for Rick, but I think I might prefer your reply 
>>>on-list.
>>>
>>>Best regards,
>>>Nic
>>>
>>>_________________________________________________________________
>>>Is there a gadget-lover on your gift list?  MSN Shopping has lined up
some
>
>>>good bets!  http://shopping.msn.com
>>
>>
>>--
>>"Freedom is a scary thing ---  Not many people really want it"
>>      --  Laurie Anderson -- pre 9.11
>>
>>"Freedom is a scary thing --- So precious, so easy to lose".
>>      --  Laurie Anderson -- post 9.11
>>
>>Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at 
>>http://www.foryourhead.com
>>
>>		Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D.
>>Video Producer			Image Processing Specialist
>>Video for your HEAD!			Boris FX
>>http://www.foryourhead.com		http://www.borisfx.com
>>
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>Say ?goodbye? to busy signals and slow downloads with a high-speed Internet
>
>connection! Prices start at less than $1 a day average.  
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>





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To be honest, and its just my humble opinion, (informed by my life 
experience, such as it is ), this response is a classic example of 
list abuse. The writer presumes to speak for the entire group here, 
and makes no attempt to state what is 'uninformed' about my posts.

At 1:25 PM -0800 11/21/03, Nic Roozeboom wrote:
>>A gentle post (offering a free CD) deserves a gentle response 
>>(suggesting that the poster would have been better to  ask users to 
>>direct their responses off-list).
>>
>>An un-gentle post (calling the person who offered the CD abusive) 
>>deserves a less gentle response.
>
>In any case, we'd like responses to be informed. Otherwise, best to 
>refrain from comment.
>Nic

-- 
"Freedom is a scary thing ---  Not many people really want it"
      --  Laurie Anderson -- pre 9.11

"Freedom is a scary thing --- So precious, so easy to lose".
      --  Laurie Anderson -- post 9.11

Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at 
http://www.foryourhead.com

		Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D.
Video Producer			Image Processing Specialist
Video for your HEAD!			Boris FX
http://www.foryourhead.com		http://www.borisfx.com

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>On the loopage front, Torn's doing a few bits of guitar atmospherics, and
>also looping and repeaterizing the saxes to great effect (and obviously,
>thanks to the live mics, is getting the rest of the band as well).
Tuesday's
>and Wednesday's gig sounded very different - probably the switch from
>concert hall to rock club...
>
>>My guess is dt is using the microphone he had built into
the guitar.<<

Nah, he wasn't playing the Tueffel - he was using a feed from the desk that
had the saxes running along it

Steve
www.stevelawson.net

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>Hi all,
>
>I layed a regular musicians night last night,did a little acoustic 
>set, then someone noticed i had my DL-4 tucked away in my gig bag.
>  after a bit (a lot) of encouragement, i got up and performed a very 
>paired down looped set..........they loved it.
>
>this is the deepest carlisle (imagine the sort of place you might 
>have to sit to write lord of the rings.......grass,sheep, cold winde 
>etc) surrounded by old school wannabe folk singers, and all of a 
>sudden im fielding a disscussion forum on looping!!!!it felt quite 
>absurd.
>  Im actually going back in a few weeks to give a little surgery 
>style run down on live looping, which is one of the biggest honours 
>ive ever been asked to do.

Great!
I have not been following the list for a while.
are people still banned here when they say that live looping is 
something that exists, whatever it is? :-)

>
>  Anyways, all of this got me thinking,out of all of the people who 
>were crowding round me at the end of that session , only one was a 
>guitarist, and he had never come across any loop based device.
>  Is it possible that we (or more impportantley the device 
>manufacturers) could do so much more for Looping (and other kinds of 
>effects/manipulation) if they slowly started to introduce the idea 
>to music shops that effects and loopers can be applied to almost any 
>instrument and that they arent the exclusive relm of guitarists.

definitally! I met more non guitarist lately: voices, accordeon, 
flute, percussion, and bass, more bass than guitar... its because you 
can better play melody on the bass than bass on the guitar - unless 
you have a clever octave thing like Polysubbass :-)

>  I dont know what others have experianced, (in fact please write in 
>and say) but I have always had to look around the guitar department 
>for and effect i wanted to buy.

the point is rather the pick up style than the instrument kind: you 
are so much better off if you dont need a microphone... exept for the 
voice which is easy...
but there are pickups available for most instruments today!

>  Last night for example there was a violinist who had wanted fr 
>years to perform siple threepart pieces alone accompanying herself, 
>but had never even thought of looking in a guitar shop for a looper.

I bet he did not have a pick up either. The step to go electric - 
even if its just with a close mic - is so much bigger than to start 
looping...
Usually the violinist go into the guitar department after they get a 
pickup - or probably thats the first time they go in there, anyway :-)
-- 


          ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org

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i have an old ampex mic. (anything will do) hanging from my ceiling (i do not 
have a mic stand), apx. 4 feet down so it can act as a pendulem of sorts, i 
then placed the air-synth about 1 in. away from it and give the mic. a little 
push and it swings back and forth for a pretty long time, it can be in an oval 
pattern or just side to side, this triggers the air-synth and i send this 
signal off to my "boxes" to warp and control the universe with.....great fun as 
the swing gets slower and smaller.....at one point i had the air-fx facing the 
air-synth with the mic. (pendulem) scooting between both of them, smack me and 
send me off to bed what total sillyness.....can't wait to try this one in 
public!.....and anyone out there that wants to send me a cd, PLEASE 
DO!.....michael

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I just bought a second EDP(gibson)but wonīt be able to
test it with my Oberheim one until december 
Are there major internal differences between this two
models and do they syncronize well?
Louie

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Please send me a copy of Zen Engine. 
Luis Angulo 
6817 Parkside Ave.
San Diego 92139
thanx

>     Hi folks, this is Jeff Bragg.  I just wanted to
> mention that my new album "Zen Engine" will be
> released at the end of November and to celebrate I'm
> giving ten copies away free to the next ten people
> that email the list and write, "send me Zen Engine!"
>  Please do not email my personal address, just the
> Looper's Delight list.
> 
>     "Why," you might ask yourself, "would I be
> interested in this?"
> 
>     Well, not only does "Zen Engine" contain ten
> wonderful compositions (by me) loaded with tons of
> loopy madness conjured up in my studio, it also is
> infested with the loops of folks such as David Torn,
> Bill Laswell and others.
> 
>     If you'd like to hear an example of the music on
> "Zen Engine", just got to:
>    
> http://tuned.universe.home.mindspring.com/Music.htm
> 
>     Thanks all and good luck,
>     Jeff Bragg
> 
>     http://tuned.universe.home.mindspring.com
> 


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I thinks recreating spontaneous improvised live
recorded loops is one of the most challenging things
ive encountered(maybe it should be forbidden;-)I would
love to see loopers like Claude Voit live, his new CD
is marvelous and all loop composed, But Live too...?
Louie

--- Relay  wrote:
> I think we are missing the point here--I posted
> regarding this like,
> yeserday or the day before.  NO ONE CAN RECREATE A
> STUDIO RECORDING WITH
> LOOPERS.  It's pretty pointless.  That said, song
> structure of one sort or
> another (lots of wiggle room there!) is what I
> usually strive for--anyone
> who was at Y2K2 and saw my performance can get an
> idea of what I try to
> foist on the unsuspecting public (not to mention a
> room fulla playas).
> Music is emotional--and I try to make it pretty.
> Gary
> 
> 


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I have a Lexicon Jamman for sale.  The unit includes two pedals and the 32 
second memory upgrade.  It is in perfect working condition and a cosmetic 
10.  It has never been rack mounted. Not sure what these are going for now.  
I paid 400 for the unit without the upgrade and extra pedal.  Please email 
me an offer.  Pictures are available.

Regards,

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---->  Claude is the exception to my little rule--the recording (See What?
was loop driven, and used some sequences, so the live presentation is
probably closer to the record.
Gary

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I thinks recreating spontaneous improvised live
recorded loops is one of the most challenging things
ive encountered(maybe it should be forbidden;-)I would
love to see loopers like Claude Voit live, his new CD
is marvelous and all loop composed, But Live too...?
Louie

--- Relay  wrote:
> I think we are missing the point here--I posted
> regarding this like,
> yeserday or the day before.  NO ONE CAN RECREATE A
> STUDIO RECORDING WITH
> LOOPERS.  It's pretty pointless.  That said, song
> structure of one sort or
> another (lots of wiggle room there!) is what I
> usually strive for--anyone
> who was at Y2K2 and saw my performance can get an
> idea of what I try to
> foist on the unsuspecting public (not to mention a
> room fulla playas).
> Music is emotional--and I try to make it pretty.
> Gary


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just got an e-mail from this fellow as he will be in my neck of the woods 
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Hey bay area loopers, just a reminder this clinic and concert event is 
today. Should be loads o' fun!

**************
The Clinic:

Looping with the Echoplex Digital Pro and LoopIV
A clinic with Andre LaFosse and Jon Wagner

Saturday, November 22, 4:00pm
3150 Adeline St. (at 32nd)
Oakland, CA
$10 door charge

Master Echoplex users Andre LaFosse and Jon Wagner will teach a clinic on 
the finer points of looping and the Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro. They will 
cover many of the exciting new features in the LoopIV software for the 
Echoplex, and spend part of the clinic on techniques for multiple musicians 
to use looping together. There will be plenty of question and answer time, 
so bring all your questions about looping!


***************
The Concert:

Andre LaFosse and Jon Wagner
Solo and Duo Performances

Saturday, November 22, 8:00pm
3150 Adeline St. (at 32nd)
Oakland, CA
$10 door charge, or $5 if you also attend the afternoon clinic
(nobody turned away for lack of funds)

Guitarist Andre LaFosse and percussionist Jon Wagner bring their innovative 
approaches to live electronic music to Oaktown. Both artists use electric 
and acoustic instruments along with electronic processing equipment to 
create "loops" of repeating music which evolve over time. Andre has 
recently released a new solo album "Normalized" that will be available for 
sale at this show. They will each do a solo set and then join together as a 
duo.


***
The Artists:

Andre LaFosse
Guitarist Andre LaFosse has been looping exclusively with the Gibson Echoplex
Digital Pro for eight years, and in that time has built a reputation as
one of the more iconoclastic and unusual practitioners of the craft.
Flying in the face of ambient soundscape music, Andre's self-described
"turntablist guitar" style draws influence from IDM, glitch-core,
hip-hop, and funk, for a highly dynamic, aggressive, and
rhythmically-based approach.  He is also the creator of the Echoplex
Analysis Pages, arguably the first web site to offer annotated musical
examples of real-time looping, which has drawn thousands of visitors
since its inception in 2002.  For information and sound samples, visit 
http://www.altruistmusic.com

Jon Wagner
Percussionist Jon Wagner is a professional drummer in the San Francisco Bay 
Area. He usually plays jazz, but also spends quite some time with 
percussion and real-time electronic processing. Jon values improvisation as 
a center to his musical focus and has been interested in the concept of 
live looping for several years now. Jon is using a Gibson Echoplex Digital 
Pro and an Electrix Repeater to sample his playing live and recall those 
loops. This allows him to improvise solo or as part of a group within (and 
outside) many different genres.
http://www.jondrums.com




______________________________________________________________________
Kim Flint                     | Looper's Delight
kflint@loopers-delight.com    | http://www.loopers-delight.com

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Subject: Alto Music: good prices
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Long-time LD readers are familiar with Alto's deals regarding the EDP 
and the Repeater, but I'd like to point out that they seem to be able 
to underprice just about anyone if you mail or call them for a price.  
I just ordered an amp from them that was about 15% under anyone else's 
price, and I just heard from another list member who got a good deal on 
the DD-20.  So, if you're in the throes of GAS, check out:

http://www.altomusic.com/

Before you pull out the wallet.  Even for things they don't show on the 
website, they seem to be able to order just about anything.

All right--back to bashing the guy trying to give away his CDs for free.

TravisH

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I'll be doing a set of acoustic guitar looping at the Penny Cafe (1707 
NW Market) this Tuesday, the 25th, starting at 7:30, opening for the 
non-looping but always delightful Andrew Norsworthy.  Admission is 
free, parking is free and plentiful, it's a non-smoking venue, and 
they've got good eats and drinks.

As soon as the DNS servers calm down, there's mp3's at 
www.travishartnett.com


Be seeing you,

Travis Hartnett

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please send me a copy of Zen Engine

thamks

k. wilson
84 glenmount park road
toronto,canada
m4e 2n2
----- Original Message ----- 
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> Please send me a copy of Zen Engine. 
> Luis Angulo 
> 6817 Parkside Ave.
> San Diego 92139
> thanx
> 
> >     Hi folks, this is Jeff Bragg.  I just wanted to
> > mention that my new album "Zen Engine" will be
> > released at the end of November and to celebrate I'm
> > giving ten copies away free to the next ten people
> > that email the list and write, "send me Zen Engine!"
> >  Please do not email my personal address, just the
> > Looper's Delight list.
> > 
> >     "Why," you might ask yourself, "would I be
> > interested in this?"
> > 
> >     Well, not only does "Zen Engine" contain ten
> > wonderful compositions (by me) loaded with tons of
> > loopy madness conjured up in my studio, it also is
> > infested with the loops of folks such as David Torn,
> > Bill Laswell and others.
> > 
> >     If you'd like to hear an example of the music on
> > "Zen Engine", just got to:
> >    
> > http://tuned.universe.home.mindspring.com/Music.htm
> > 
> >     Thanks all and good luck,
> >     Jeff Bragg
> > 
> >     http://tuned.universe.home.mindspring.com
> > 
> 
> 
> =====
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> 
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----- Original Message ----- 
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> just got an e-mail from this fellow as he will be in my neck of the woods 
> tomorrow, i have no idea who he is but thought that his book might be of interest 
> to some..... Click here: Tracks Across the Universe - Jim Brenholts
http://www.aucourantrecords.com/books/tracks/tracks.shtml  


There's a bio on Jim (a respected reviewer in the space/ambient fields
and, judging from his participation on other BBs, who has a zany and
very irrepressible sense of humour) about halfway down the page here:
http://eer-music.com/eergang.html

Cheers,
Scott M2

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ambientelectronicsoundscapes
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Hi All,
 I have a beige EDP v3.5, full memory with foot controller.  I have
noticed a strange thing - when I record a loop and leave the feedback
at 100% (fully clockwise) the loop seems to keep going indefinately,
but if I do some overdubs the whole thing starts to fade out very
slowly (over 10 mins or so). I'm not leaving the overdub on all this
time, just record a loop, overdub a couple of times the leave it
running and the volume slowly drops. One time , when the sound was
almost gone I repeatedly pressed undo 40 or 50 or more times and the
level came back up. The overdub light is not lit on (orange) while
this happens - any ideas?

Steve

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* More on the end of the MP3.com era: This is the last week to
play our Ambient Ping "Station" there (with *lots* of music by
Ambient Ping artists). If you have a fast connection click
"HiFi Play" in the top cloudy section to get a 128Kb stream.
(The mp3s are also available for free download - just give them
a fake e-mail address to avoid any spam potential.)
http://www.mp3.com/stations/theambientping
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

THE AMBiENT PiNG   http://www.theambientping.com
Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30
  @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto
         3 blocks east of the Union Station subway.
         map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

This Tuesday Nov. 25th - Tofu the Pug + Spatial Correlation

Tofu the Pug is comprised of members Olivia Zielinski (keyboards,
electronics) and T.J Habibi (guitar, keyboards, electronics). The
duo will be using a variety of textures beats and sound fx panned
out on a moody ambient backdrop. They have captured various
outdoor recordings from nature and urban life & in turn manipulated
them for their live performance. In addition to their collaborative efforts
each have solo projects. T.J. fronts a modern rock band called Krome
www.krome.tv while Olivia Zieinski has her trip-hop/experimental
solo project at www.delicatedust.com.

In the 2nd set, Spatial Correlation, formerly the Widening Gyre,
revisits the Ping to mark the release of his latest disc "Outlier"
which is available from rik at the *pings things* table. "Outlier"
draws from influences as varied as OMD, Boards of Canada and
Slowdive. The beats are fragmented, the melodies understated
with a distinctively 80s sound. The theme with "Outlier", as with
previous releases, is one of milltown isolation: existence on the
periphery of the market economy.

Between Sets CD - "A Storm Of Drones - disc 3" by V/A
The Ping concludes its bi-monthly feature throughout 2003 on
"The Sombient Trilogy" - 3 compilation albums totaling 6 CDs
of "ambient noir". The final disc of "The Storm Of Drones" is
titled "Immersion" and features tracks by Maryanne Archer,
ISO Orchestra, Robert Rich, Jeff Grenke and other dark
ambient/environmental artists. (1995 - Asphodel)
http://www.asphodel.com/cat/asp_0966.html
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Coming Tuesday December 2nd - Mindspawn
http://www.mindspawn.com
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews

"Touched" by Nadja

Heavy.  Hard.  Dark.  All of these words aptly describe "Touched"
by Nadja, a new project by Aidan Baker.  Relying on a much more
aggressive tone than his other works, on this disc Aidan creates
a beautiful wall of sound that surrounds and engulfs the listener.

Opening track "Mutagen" is filled with the sounds of rolling thunder
and violin. "Stays Demons" features a looping, growing feedback-
drenched guitar line playing accompaniment to a chorus of the
damned. Final song "Flowers of Flesh" builds from a keening
wail of guitar and angry percussion until it becomes a blazing
inferno of feedback, beautiful as it burns.

An impressive debut from a new project, "Touched" retains
Aidan's sense of space, his sense of environment and presents
them in a new manner sure to appeal to fans of the darker
and more noise driven ambient forms.

rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com  http://www.pingthings.com

Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's
finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus
performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia
(aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect
for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room
and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the
club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. 
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested
in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances



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Just got back from seeing the gig in Birmingham - it was an inspiring
evening. Great to meet Mr. Torn again - and Mr. Lawson.
Marc Ducret was incredible got to check out more of his stuff. Looking
forward to hearing the broadcast on BBC radio 3 next Friday.

Dave

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Subject: Torn In UK


> been to two of these gigs now (with a third one coming up on Saturday) -
> blimey, what an amazing band! The first half of the set is pretty hard
going
> (5 saxes often playing very very densely written polytonal/atonal stuff),
> but it's a really really powerful sound, and the second half is
> mindblowing - first up the Arte Saxophone Quartet playing one of Tim's
> pieces, then Tim's quintet with Torn, Ducret, Taborn and Rainey (Tom, not
> Chuck).... incredible band. Ducret has an unbelieveable sense of rhythm,
and
> Craig Taborn's left hand is now one of my fave bass players... :o)
>
> On the loopage front, Torn's doing a few bits of guitar atmospherics, and
> also looping and repeaterizing the saxes to great effect (and obviously,
> thanks to the live mics, is getting the rest of the band as well).
Tuesday's
> and Wednesday's gig sounded very different - probably the switch from
> concert hall to rock club...
>
> see you in Birmingham, if you're going
>
> Steve
> www.stevelawson.net (new guestbook/forum here)
>
>

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   I'd encourage all the Bay Area loopers who didn't make it to last 
night's concert, to attend tonight's. Last night's effort from Andre 
and Jon was first rate! I imagine tonight will be ever better, now that 
they've had a chance to warm up!





On Nov 22, 2003, at 10:35 AM, Kim Flint wrote:

> Hey bay area loopers, just a reminder this clinic and concert event is 
> today. Should be loads o' fun!
>
> **************
> The Clinic:
>
> Looping with the Echoplex Digital Pro and LoopIV
> A clinic with Andre LaFosse and Jon Wagner
>
> Saturday, November 22, 4:00pm
> 3150 Adeline St. (at 32nd)
> Oakland, CA
> $10 door charge
>
> Master Echoplex users Andre LaFosse and Jon Wagner will teach a clinic 
> on the finer points of looping and the Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro. 
> They will cover many of the exciting new features in the LoopIV 
> software for the Echoplex, and spend part of the clinic on techniques 
> for multiple musicians to use looping together. There will be plenty 
> of question and answer time, so bring all your questions about 
> looping!
>
>
> ***************
> The Concert:
>
> Andre LaFosse and Jon Wagner
> Solo and Duo Performances
>
> Saturday, November 22, 8:00pm
> 3150 Adeline St. (at 32nd)
> Oakland, CA
> $10 door charge, or $5 if you also attend the afternoon clinic
> (nobody turned away for lack of funds)
>
> Guitarist Andre LaFosse and percussionist Jon Wagner bring their 
> innovative approaches to live electronic music to Oaktown. Both 
> artists use electric and acoustic instruments along with electronic 
> processing equipment to create "loops" of repeating music which evolve 
> over time. Andre has recently released a new solo album "Normalized" 
> that will be available for sale at this show. They will each do a solo 
> set and then join together as a duo.
>
>
> ***
> The Artists:
>
> Andre LaFosse
> Guitarist Andre LaFosse has been looping exclusively with the Gibson 
> Echoplex
> Digital Pro for eight years, and in that time has built a reputation as
> one of the more iconoclastic and unusual practitioners of the craft.
> Flying in the face of ambient soundscape music, Andre's self-described
> "turntablist guitar" style draws influence from IDM, glitch-core,
> hip-hop, and funk, for a highly dynamic, aggressive, and
> rhythmically-based approach.  He is also the creator of the Echoplex
> Analysis Pages, arguably the first web site to offer annotated musical
> examples of real-time looping, which has drawn thousands of visitors
> since its inception in 2002.  For information and sound samples, visit 
> http://www.altruistmusic.com
>
> Jon Wagner
> Percussionist Jon Wagner is a professional drummer in the San 
> Francisco Bay Area. He usually plays jazz, but also spends quite some 
> time with percussion and real-time electronic processing. Jon values 
> improvisation as a center to his musical focus and has been interested 
> in the concept of live looping for several years now. Jon is using a 
> Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro and an Electrix Repeater to sample his 
> playing live and recall those loops. This allows him to improvise solo 
> or as part of a group within (and outside) many different genres.
> http://www.jondrums.com
>
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Kim Flint                     | Looper's Delight
> kflint@loopers-delight.com    | http://www.loopers-delight.com
>

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In a message dated 11/22/03 4:15:39 PM, dave@davesturt.f9.co.uk writes:

<< Looking forward to hearing the broadcast on BBC radio 3 next Friday. >>


Is there streaming? If so, maybe someone could post the url for it middle of 
the week as a reminder.
I would love to catch it even at my oft rebuffering 56k.

regards
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>I just bought a second EDP(gibson)but wonĨt be able to
>test it with my Oberheim one until december
>Are there major internal differences between this two

no.
the later Gibson ones are better since Andy built them in GB with 
improved part quality (gold contacts...) and built them with more care
the various Oberheim batches (and early Gibson) have been built in 
several places and US and have such smaller quality differences, too.

>models and do they syncronize well?

hm... its not about better or worse, but they do or they dont.
Unfortunately we cannot grant that all units of all times sync 
between each other. :-(
We can only grant that all the GB units and all with exchanged 
Crystals sync between each other.
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>I have an Oberheim EDP and a Gibson EDP (from the "group buy").  I've
>noticed that synchronization of my two EDPs drift since I upgraded them to
>the newest version software.  This didn't happen before.

this is hardly possible since the sample level sync happens totally 
in hardware, even without any EPROM in place!
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>  > > to record input at a basic level, but I can't figure out how to get
>>  > a loop to overdub.
>>
>  > You can't do that in Live. Only by running a delay plug-in on a track,
>>  but that's rather limiting.
>>
>
>Wouldn't recording onto a different channel/track be considered
>overdubbing? If so, and I think the definition of overdubbing is that,
>with independent control of levels, pan, etc---
>
>Neil

I would not recommend to use it like that.
Sure, in the studio, it means to add tracks, but to keep comunication 
clear, I suggest that we keep the definition of the Overdub function 
in the looping realm for "layering into the same sound file".
The main advantage of Overdub is that there is no limit for the 
number of layers, so it can never be imitated with separate tracks 
and I think it will continue to be a interesting function even when 
we have several tracks.


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>---->  Claude is the exception to my little rule--the recording (See What?
>was loop driven, and used some sequences, so the live presentation is
>probably closer to the record.
>Gary

as close as free interpretations are. See What? was recorded in real 
time in a "real" studio and contains composed and improvised parts. 
There are no prerecorded loops, as far as I know, just some Yamaha 
RMX (?) sequences.
Definitally a great CD!

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oh, marvelous, I did not know!

this moves me...

last year I plaied with Andre there, when the room was just freshly 
prepared and we loved it.
the next day I recorded some pieces with Andre and later with Jon, 
not the best we ever did, but available:
http://matthias.grob.org/pMusic/Sessions02.htm

they both are not just great musicians and not just great 
technitians, but good guys and brothers all together.

I hope some good brother syncing can be seen... after all I tought 
each one what I found about this for me strongest challenge of 
looping :-)

have a good show
Matthias


>   I'd encourage all the Bay Area loopers who didn't make it to last 
>night's concert, to attend tonight's. Last night's effort from Andre 
>and Jon was first rate! I imagine tonight will be ever better, now 
>that they've had a chance to warm up!
>
>
>On Nov 22, 2003, at 10:35 AM, Kim Flint wrote:
>
>>Hey bay area loopers, just a reminder this clinic and concert event 
>>is today. Should be loads o' fun!
>>
>>**************
>>The Clinic:
>>
>>Looping with the Echoplex Digital Pro and LoopIV
>>A clinic with Andre LaFosse and Jon Wagner
>>
>>Saturday, November 22, 4:00pm
>>3150 Adeline St. (at 32nd)
>>Oakland, CA
>>$10 door charge
>>
>>Master Echoplex users Andre LaFosse and Jon Wagner will teach a 
>>clinic on the finer points of looping and the Gibson Echoplex 
>>Digital Pro. They will cover many of the exciting new features in 
>>the LoopIV software for the Echoplex, and spend part of the clinic 
>>on techniques for multiple musicians to use looping together. There 
>>will be plenty of question and answer time, so bring all your 
>>questions about looping!
>>

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----->  I wrote Claude once and asked him what all went into the
recording--it is possible to automate things with a sequencer, I have no
idea how he does what he does--it would be enjoyable to "See What" he is
doing--maybe a video is in order?
Gary
PS  Yes, I would pay $19.95 for a video
G
Or better yet Claude, come to Southern California for a concert 8^)
G
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>---->  Claude is the exception to my little rule--the recording (See What?
>was loop driven, and used some sequences, so the live presentation is
>probably closer to the record.
>Gary

as close as free interpretations are. See What? was recorded in real
time in a "real" studio and contains composed and improvised parts.
There are no prerecorded loops, as far as I know, just some Yamaha
RMX (?) sequences.
Definitally a great CD!

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Matthias -

I trust you if it's hardly possible, though it's happening nevertheless.


----- Original Message ----- 
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> >I have an Oberheim EDP and a Gibson EDP (from the "group buy").  I've
> >noticed that synchronization of my two EDPs drift since I upgraded them
to
> >the newest version software.  This didn't happen before.
>
> this is hardly possible since the sample level sync happens totally
> in hardware, even without any EPROM in place!
> -- 
>
>
>           ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org
>

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I had a thoroughly enjoyable couple of loop event related days this weekend:

First I went and saw Andre LaFosse and Jon Wagner play solo and together in
Mountain View
and then today I drove to Oakland to Kim Flint's house and watched a
superbly informative
(I have three pages of notes and I thought I was getting the hang of the
EDP) Echoplex
clinic by the same two guys.

It was really cool because Andre practically never lets a loop play for any
length of time, preferring to
slice and dice and morph his looped music.  He is so fantastic at this: the
best I've seen, frankly.

Then Jon is more like myself: interested in the stacking layers of
repetitive rhythms.  It was a great contrast in styles
and a nice compliment to each other.

Kim Flint was there, of course and constantly provided a backdrop of  highly
detailed and knowledgeable information on the
EDP.

I had a blast and don't even know why I'm posting it, except that I'm so
jazzed about how much I learned and how turned on
I am by looping and wanted to share it with someone.


rick


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The Tim Berne UK gig with David Torn 

Broadcast and streamed on Friday.

Then for the rest of the week it's available as an archive

...or that's the way it seems

Click here: BBC - 
Radio 3 - Jazz on 3 home page 


andy butler

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----- Original Message -----
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To: 
> just got an e-mail from this fellow as he will be in my neck of the woods
> tomorrow, i have no idea who he is but thought that his book might be of
interest
> to some..... http://www.aucourantrecords.com/books/tracks/tracks.shtml Tracks
Across the Universe - Jim Brenholts

Jim is a geaat guy.  I've known him for years, ever sinve we met at a Gathering
in Philadelphia.  (He drove in from Pittsburgh.)  Last time I saw him was last
April when I drove vidnaObmana to Pittsburgh to play a concert.  Jim was there,
too, of course.  He is very knowledgable and I HIGHLY recommend his book.  IIRC,
it comes with three CDs of TOP SHELF electronic music from the best and the
unknown.  Jim sent me a CDR version about two years before the book actually got
published.  It has a permanent home in the CD case that I take to the radio
station when I do my shows.

Cheers,

Bill
===============================================================================
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While I sit in new york and wish like crazy i'd been able to hop a jet blue
flite and join you all.  I wish I wish I wish...

So instead of wishing, I offer this.  For all of us loopers, i'm willing and
happy to set up a clinic here when Andre arrives in late winter... Howz dat?

Best,

Todd

On 11/23/03 1:38 AM, "loop.pool"  wrote:

> I had a thoroughly enjoyable couple of loop event related days this weekend:
> 
> First I went and saw Andre LaFosse and Jon Wagner play solo and together in
> Mountain View
> and then today I drove to Oakland to Kim Flint's house and watched a
> superbly informative
> (I have three pages of notes and I thought I was getting the hang of the
> EDP) Echoplex
> clinic by the same two guys.
> 
> It was really cool because Andre practically never lets a loop play for any
> length of time, preferring to
> slice and dice and morph his looped music.  He is so fantastic at this: the
> best I've seen, frankly.
> 
> Then Jon is more like myself: interested in the stacking layers of
> repetitive rhythms.  It was a great contrast in styles
> and a nice compliment to each other.
> 
> Kim Flint was there, of course and constantly provided a backdrop of  highly
> detailed and knowledgeable information on the
> EDP.
> 
> I had a blast and don't even know why I'm posting it, except that I'm so
> jazzed about how much I learned and how turned on
> I am by looping and wanted to share it with someone.
> 
> 
> rick
> 
> 

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todd reynolds wrote:

> While I sit in new york and wish like crazy i'd been able to hop a jet blue
> flite and join you all.  I wish I wish I wish...
>
> So instead of wishing, I offer this.  For all of us loopers, i'm willing and
> happy to set up a clinic here when Andre arrives in late winter... Howz dat?
>
> Best,
>
> Todd
>
> On 11/23/03 1:38 AM, "loop.pool"  wrote:
>
> > I had a thoroughly enjoyable couple of loop event related days this weekend:
> >
> > First I went and saw Andre LaFosse and Jon Wagner play solo and together in
> > Mountain View
> > and then today I drove to Oakland to Kim Flint's house and watched a
> > superbly informative
> > (I have three pages of notes and I thought I was getting the hang of the
> > EDP) Echoplex
> > clinic by the same two guys.
> >
> > It was really cool because Andre practically never lets a loop play for any
> > length of time, preferring to
> > slice and dice and morph his looped music.  He is so fantastic at this: the
> > best I've seen, frankly.
> >
> > Then Jon is more like myself: interested in the stacking layers of
> > repetitive rhythms.  It was a great contrast in styles
> > and a nice compliment to each other.
> >
> > Kim Flint was there, of course and constantly provided a backdrop of  highly
> > detailed and knowledgeable information on the
> > EDP.
> >
> > I had a blast and don't even know why I'm posting it, except that I'm so
> > jazzed about how much I learned and how turned on
> > I am by looping and wanted to share it with someone.
> >
> >
> > rick
> >
> >

I'm in New Jersey.  I would defenitely be there.  I'd certainly encourage my
off-list looping friends to come as well.

John
www.johnmazzarella.com



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Rick,

...> (I have three pages of notes 
>and I thought I was getting the hang of the
> EDP) Echoplex
> clinic by the same two guys.

An obvious request from a non-Bayer:  Can you share some of your notes?!  

Congrats on your immersion weekend!

David A.


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 please send me a copy of Zen Engine!! I hope I'm still on time for this!


 Andy Soto
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So no list members down at Dad's (where David danced with Brenda) yesterday
but I did use the looper (just for electric guitar) for several pieces,
including a 16-bar blues, which I used as a rhythm section whilst I strolled
the premises with a harmonica--good sized building.  I am hoping it went
well enough that I can pitch them for a loop afternoon concert--stay tuned.

I thought I did pretty well, until I was informed by Candy (she tries to
handle me--good luck) that she overheard the bartender in a conversation
after my performance:

PATRON:  Who are those fools? (indicating the next band, teenagers, dressed
in bluejean rockabilly garb)

MARY ANN:  I don't know but I hope they're better than the last guy

Oh well, no one can please everyone . . .  but we try.

I will talk the Sean, one of the owners, and see what HE thought . . .

Gary


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----- Original Message ----- 
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> So no list members down at Dad's (where David danced with Brenda)
yesterday
> but I did use the looper (just for electric guitar) for several pieces,
> including a 16-bar blues, which I used as a rhythm section whilst I
strolled
> the premises with a harmonica--good sized building.  I am hoping it went
> well enough that I can pitch them for a loop afternoon concert--stay
tuned.
>
> I thought I did pretty well, until I was informed by Candy (she tries to
> handle me--good luck) that she overheard the bartender in a conversation
> after my performance:
>
> PATRON:  Who are those fools? (indicating the next band, teenagers,
dressed
> in bluejean rockabilly garb)
>
> MARY ANN:  I don't know but I hope they're better than the last guy
>
> Oh well, no one can please everyone . . .  but we try.
>
> I will talk the Sean, one of the owners, and see what HE thought . . .

When I went to the then-fairly-new House of Blues (Sunset) in 1997 to see
Fripp on his first Soundscapes tour, I had a seat at the bar on the right
side of the stage (from which I had a great view of him twiddling all the
equipment), and the bartender, a body-builder type, kept making these
stupid, ignorant comments like "Ooooh, man, I left my mushrooms at home..."
and crap like that.  I made a note to report his ass, but Robert's two sets
left me without the slightest malicious thought in my head.

In short, bartenders shouldn't be trusted for their musical tastes, unless
they own the joint.

Steve Goodman
* EarthLight Productions
* http://www.earthlight.net

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Steve Goodman wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Relay" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 22:30 PM
> Subject: Dad's in Poway gig report
>
> > So no list members down at Dad's (where David danced with Brenda)
> yesterday
> > but I did use the looper (just for electric guitar) for several pieces,
> > including a 16-bar blues, which I used as a rhythm section whilst I
> strolled
> > the premises with a harmonica--good sized building.  I am hoping it went
> > well enough that I can pitch them for a loop afternoon concert--stay
> tuned.
> >
> > I thought I did pretty well, until I was informed by Candy (she tries to
> > handle me--good luck) that she overheard the bartender in a conversation
> > after my performance:
> >
> > PATRON:  Who are those fools? (indicating the next band, teenagers,
> dressed
> > in bluejean rockabilly garb)
> >
> > MARY ANN:  I don't know but I hope they're better than the last guy
> >
> > Oh well, no one can please everyone . . .  but we try.
> >
> > I will talk the Sean, one of the owners, and see what HE thought . . .
>
> When I went to the then-fairly-new House of Blues (Sunset) in 1997 to see
> Fripp on his first Soundscapes tour, I had a seat at the bar on the right
> side of the stage (from which I had a great view of him twiddling all the
> equipment), and the bartender, a body-builder type, kept making these
> stupid, ignorant comments like "Ooooh, man, I left my mushrooms at home..."
> and crap like that.  I made a note to report his ass, but Robert's two sets
> left me without the slightest malicious thought in my head.
>
> In short, bartenders shouldn't be trusted for their musical tastes, unless
> they own the joint.
>
> Steve Goodman
> * EarthLight Productions
> * http://www.earthlight.net

I have a good bartender anecdote from a gig this past Saturday.  As I was
setting up my equipment(Gator Rack with EDP and Mixer, POD, Pedal board etc.)
in this pub that I frequently play the Bartender said to me:  "Wow, that's a
lot of stuff".  As I explained that I use realtime looping in my songs, he
looked at me with recognition and said: "Oh yeah, that's right, you're the Echo
Guy! Cool!"

Just thought that I'd share,
John
www.johnmazzarella.com
a.ka. The Echo Guy :-)


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Hi everyone,

I tried to subscribe last week and posted one question and
found that my ISPs aggressive spam-blocking was prohibiting
any mails from coming back.

So I've switched my subscription to a different address, all
seems to be well, and figured it was time for introductions.

My name is Glenn Poorman and I am a solo Chapman Stick performer
from the Detroit area. I've been a long standing member of the
StickWire mailing list and I'm pretty sure there is a fair bit
of overlap here.

In the most rudimentary form, I've been a looping musician
since the early 80s when I made sorry attempts to do
frippertronics type stuff with my Roland SDE-1000 digital
delay and my guitar. After I switched over to playing mostly
Stick in the late 90s, I revisited the looping scene after
hearing Guillermo Cides and Diego Souto mix Stick playing
with loops. I picked up a Line6 DL4 to start with and later
switched over to the Echoplex Digital Pro. Recently I've
added a second Echoplex in order to run in stereo but the
old one needs some modification before this is put to full
use. Today, I think I've only scratched the surface of the
EDP capabilities.

So that's my condensed story. I'm in a place right now where
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hello,
i am trying to collect silent pieces. i know the ones of cage, zorn, ligeti and young. can anybody name other compositions?

thanks very much

markus

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switching genres...If I remember correctly, there's a tune listed on Sly 
Stone's "There's a Riot Goin On" with a track length of 0:00, which 
theoretically would qualify.  Can anyone confirm this?

Daryl Shawn
highhorse@mhorse.com

>i am trying to collect silent pieces. i know the ones of cage, zorn, ligeti and young. can anybody name other compositions?
>  
>


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>>bartenders shouldn't be trusted for their musical tastes, unless they own the joint.<<

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I can write one specially if you like.

Gareth


> hello,
> i am trying to collect silent pieces. i know the ones of cage, zorn,
ligeti and young. can anybody name other compositions?
>
> thanks very much
>
> markus
>

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I decided to go with Live instead of a hardware looper specifically for it's ability to record several loops of different lenghts (I can run 8-9 with my hardware), and manipulate them all independently... for my music, this is much more useful than recording on top of the same sound.  
As I see it, the main difference between Live and hardware devices is that with Live you have a preset tempo.  This brings up the problem of how to hear the tempo when you record your first loop... which can solved in different ways... I'm usually starting out with a couple drum loops, so it's not a problem for me.  
Joe B.

Matthias Grob  wrote:
> > > to record input at a basic level, but I can't figure out how to get
>> > a loop to overdub.
>>
> > You can't do that in Live. Only by running a delay plug-in on a track,
>> but that's rather limiting.
>>
>
>Wouldn't recording onto a different channel/track be considered
>overdubbing? If so, and I think the definition of overdubbing is that,
>with independent control of levels, pan, etc---
>
>Neil

I would not recommend to use it like that.
Sure, in the studio, it means to add tracks, but to keep comunication 
clear, I suggest that we keep the definition of the Overdub function 
in the looping realm for "layering into the same sound file".
The main advantage of Overdub is that there is no limit for the 
number of layers, so it can never be imitated with separate tracks 
and I think it will continue to be a interesting function even when 
we have several tracks.


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I decided to go with Live instead of a hardware looper specifically for it's ability to record several loops of different lenghts (I can run 8-9 with my hardware), and manipulate them all independently... for my music, this is much more useful than recording on top of the same sound.  


As I see it, the main difference between Live and hardware devices is that with Live you have a preset tempo.  This brings up the problem of how to hear the tempo when you record your first loop... which can solved in different ways... I'm usually starting out with a couple drum loops, so it's not a problem for me.  


Joe B.

Matthias Grob <matthias@grob.org> wrote:


> > > to record input at a basic level, but I can't figure out how to get
>> > a loop to overdub.
>>
> > You can't do that in Live. Only by running a delay plug-in on a track,
>> but that's rather limiting.
>>
>
>Wouldn't recording onto a different channel/track be considered
>overdubbing? If so, and I think the definition of overdubbing is that,
>with independent control of levels, pan, etc---
>
>Neil

I would not recommend to use it like that.
Sure, in the studio, it means to add tracks, but to keep comunication 
clear, I suggest that we keep the definition of the Overdub function 
in the looping realm for "layering into the same sound file".
The main advantage of Overdub is that there is no limit for the 
number of layers, so it can never be imitated with separate
 tracks 
and I think it will continue to be a interesting function even when 
we have several tracks.


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From: Louie Angulo 
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Hi Fellow loopers,
For a couple of months i was approached by this
distribution company and they want to put one of my
self produced recorded song in their sampler
compilation.They charge 50.00Dlls and they do not pay
any royalties since they claim that their compilations
are only distributed to record labels and radio
stations.Anybody acquainted with them?
Louie

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There are two of them on the soundtrack of the 'Lo Storpio' theatre piece by Flavio Sciolč, namely track 2 - vuoto and track 10 - vuoto. The tracks are on www.emusic.com, named under 'Flavio SciolÃĐ ŧ '... Obviously there is some problem on their server...
I know it because there are some loops I made on this soundtrack...

Peace
Luigi
> hello,
> i am trying to collect silent pieces. i know the ones of cage, zorn, ligeti and young. can anybody name other compositions?
> 
> thanks very much
> 
> markus
> 
> 

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This might be of interest to some...Musician's Friend is blowing out 
their Arion analog delay pedals for 19.99.  I bought one a few weeks ago 
and thought I'd check it out before posting...I love it!  Only 200 ms, 
but it has the classic analog delay sound (and yes, it'll self-oscillate 
with some encouragement - I found that it works best by giving it a 
little extra power with a switchable power supply).  And it's stereo 
too.  Arion pedals seem to be made pretty cheaply, but for 20 bucks ($25 
w/shipping), it's worth it for me even if it only lasts a year.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=031124121344064163212005980398/g=home/search/detail/base_pid/150516/

Daryl Shawn
highhorse@mhorse.com

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I used to own a Johnny Winter record (the good old days of vinyl), 
can't remember the name, which consisted of three sides of a double 
album. The fourth side was blank. Does this count?

>
> switching genres...If I remember correctly, there's a tune listed on 
> Sly Stone's "There's a Riot Goin On" with a track length of 0:00, 
> which theoretically would qualify.  Can anyone confirm this?
>
> Daryl Shawn
> highhorse@mhorse.com
>
>> i am trying to collect silent pieces. i know the ones of cage, zorn, 
>> ligeti and young. can anybody name other compositions?
>>
>
>
>

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That sounds like a crystal tolerance problem. Send me your address and
I'll send a couple. They are a bit tricky to replace, but the problem
can often be cured by changing the audio Coded chip, (large 68-pin
affair on the left of the PCB) as some seem to accept a wider tolerance
on the crystals. I'll send a couple of these as well so you can try that
first. You will need a PLCC removal tool or you may damage the chips but
they only take seconds to swap out.
Regards,
Andy. 

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Hi All,
 I have a beige EDP v3.5, full memory with foot controller.  I have
noticed a strange thing - when I record a loop and leave the feedback
at 100% (fully clockwise) the loop seems to keep going indefinately,
but if I do some overdubs the whole thing starts to fade out very
slowly (over 10 mins or so). I'm not leaving the overdub on all this
time, just record a loop, overdub a couple of times the leave it
running and the volume slowly drops. One time , when the sound was
almost gone I repeatedly pressed undo 40 or 50 or more times and the
level came back up. The overdub light is not lit on (orange) while
this happens - any ideas?

Steve



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I happen to own this CD UK edition and there's no song of length 0:00

Bernhard

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> 
> 
> switching genres...If I remember correctly, there's a tune listed on Sly 
> Stone's "There's a Riot Goin On" with a track length of 0:00, which 
> theoretically would qualify.  Can anyone confirm this?
> 
> Daryl Shawn
> highhorse@mhorse.com
> 
> >i am trying to collect silent pieces. i know the ones of cage, 
> zorn, ligeti and young. can anybody name other compositions?
> >  
> >
> 

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I remember seeing it on the vinyl pressing, though maybe it was just 
listed on the gatefold or something...thanks Bernhard.

Daryl Shawn
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>I happen to own this CD UK edition and there's no song of length 0:00
>
>Bernhard
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>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Daryl [mailto:highhorse@mhorse.com]
>>Sent: Montag, 24. November 2003 18:24
>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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>>
>>
>>
>>switching genres...If I remember correctly, there's a tune listed on Sly 
>>Stone's "There's a Riot Goin On" with a track length of 0:00, which 
>>theoretically would qualify.  Can anyone confirm this?
>>
>>Daryl Shawn
>>highhorse@mhorse.com
>>
>>    
>>
>>>i am trying to collect silent pieces. i know the ones of cage, 
>>>      
>>>
>>zorn, ligeti and young. can anybody name other compositions?
>>    
>>


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hello
I'm trying to set up an an M-Audio Quattro USB card on a laptop which
uses cubase SX.

Quattro setup: (cf. typical setup #1 in Quattro doc. p.12)
Instrument (or looper) is connected to Quattro input 1, 
Quattro output 1 is connected to mixing board,
I can hear the instrument on my sound system OK. 
Quattro USB cable is connected to the laptop.
I reinstalled it with the "latest" drivers found on their web site.

Cubase (has been re installed a few times with no result.):
the Quattro is installed, it appears in the Cubase Devices VST Inputs menu,
I use ASIO/EASI mode.
Track input is Entree 1 which matches the VST input refering to the Quattro input 1,
track output is Bus 1, track is record enabled, monitor On or Off does not change
anything to the problem.

Problem: 
when I (try to) record, it seems nothing gets recorded in Cubase.

Looks to me like a Cubase config pbm which could make sense
since I have no experience with it.

Any help about what I am missing would be greatly appreciated.
You can contact me offline at fr.lebrun@free.fr if you wish.

Thanks in advance

Francois


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if you go to amazon.com and search or there's a riot going on
you'll see in the reviews somebody mentions this 0:00 lenght title
on the original edition (2nd review by Thomas Magnum)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00000JA9U/qid%3D1069709896/sr%3D11-1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/104-0532147-9238355

F

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Date:	lundi 24 novembre 2003 22:35
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I happen to own this CD UK edition and there's no song of length 0:00

Bernhard

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daryl [mailto:highhorse@mhorse.com]
> Sent: Montag, 24. November 2003 18:24
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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> 
> 
> 
> switching genres...If I remember correctly, there's a tune listed on Sly 
> Stone's "There's a Riot Goin On" with a track length of 0:00, which 
> theoretically would qualify.  Can anyone confirm this?
> 
> Daryl Shawn
> highhorse@mhorse.com
> 
> >i am trying to collect silent pieces. i know the ones of cage, 
> zorn, ligeti and young. can anybody name other compositions?
> >  
> >
> 


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What about side four of the "Three Sides Live" from Genesis?


----- Original Message ----- 
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> I happen to own this CD UK edition and there's no song of length 0:00
>
> Bernhard
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Daryl [mailto:highhorse@mhorse.com]
> > Sent: Montag, 24. November 2003 18:24
> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > Subject: Re: silent
> >
> >
> >
> > switching genres...If I remember correctly, there's a tune listed on Sly
> > Stone's "There's a Riot Goin On" with a track length of 0:00, which
> > theoretically would qualify.  Can anyone confirm this?
> >
> > Daryl Shawn
> > highhorse@mhorse.com
> >
> > >i am trying to collect silent pieces. i know the ones of cage,
> > zorn, ligeti and young. can anybody name other compositions?
> > >
> > >
> >
>

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Come to think of it there's a track called "power cut" from the Greasy
Truckers Garden Party Album. It's a compilation album with Man, Hawkwind etc
on.Dunno if it's on CD though.
> > >
> > > >i am trying to collect silent pieces. i know the ones of cage,
> > > zorn, ligeti and young. can anybody name other compositions?
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Most things that require a participation fee are more times than not scams.
It's just as scammy as paying to play. As cheap as it is to manufacture cd's
these days I am sure the majority of that $50 will go into the pockets of
the "promoters", and I doubt record labels have time to sit through and
listen to a compilation of bands that they will probably never work with.

You should also ask yourself - what will the distro company get out of this?
In the slim chance that a label actually does listen to this cd, what if a
label likes your music - will they go through the distribution company or
directly to you?



-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 11:58 AM
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Hi Fellow loopers,
For a couple of months i was approached by this
distribution company and they want to put one of my
self produced recorded song in their sampler
compilation.They charge 50.00Dlls and they do not pay
any royalties since they claim that their compilations
are only distributed to record labels and radio
stations.Anybody acquainted with them?
Louie

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----- Original Message ----- 
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> I used to own a Johnny Winter record (the good old days of vinyl),
> can't remember the name, which consisted of three sides of a double
> album. The fourth side was blank. Does this count?
>
> >
> > switching genres...If I remember correctly, there's a tune listed on
> > Sly Stone's "There's a Riot Goin On" with a track length of 0:00,
> > which theoretically would qualify.  Can anyone confirm this?

>From a review at
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00000JA9U/ref=cm_custrec_gl_rec/104-8079338-2501507?v=glance&s=music#product-details:

"On the original album, the title track is listed with a time of 0:00 which
is telling. The band saw that there was a riot goin' on in the country, but
no one seemed to have any time for it."

Steve Goodman
* EarthLight Productions
* http://www.earthlight.net


> >
> > Daryl Shawn
> > highhorse@mhorse.com
> >
> >> i am trying to collect silent pieces. i know the ones of cage, zorn,
> >> ligeti and young. can anybody name other compositions?
> >>
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I feel a little dense, but I cannot find the Torn/Berne set at the BBC.

Can anyone enlighten me.  There's nothing on the November 21st show and
there is one
Tim Berne Trio (sans David) show on November 14th.

What am I missing?

thanks,

the slow one,  rick


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I read here while back of the longest song ever performed..........a piece
of music that has been being played for ten years and still isn't finished
so, in a moment of whimsy,  I composed a piece of music that was one sample
length long to come in with the shortest song ever written.

I also put the volume so low that you can't hear the sample.

If you are curious,  e-mail me off list and I'll send it to
you............lol.

I call it 'Brevity'.

Rick Walker
rickwalker@looppool.info
www.looppool.info


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In reference to Todd Reynolds, John Mazzarella, et al talking about a
NYC clinic in late January...

That would be great fun, fellows - thanks for the interest.  I've just
gotten confirmation of a show on January 28th in New York, opening for
David Torn (to say that I'm looking forward to this would be an
understatement of cosmic proportions!), so if we could arrange something
around then it'd be great.

Keep in mind that these things can go on for quite a while - the clinic
at Kim's this last Saturday went for about three hours with only a
handful of folks in attendance, and the one in 2002 went even longer.

In setting up something like this, the ideal situation would be to find
a spot that can accommodate a fairly large chunk of time for discussion
and demonstration, where making a bit of noise isn't going to be a
problem...  (a reasonably large living space could be perfect - Kim
Flint and his girlfriend did a fantastic job of turning their place into
one of the most accommodating and inviting performance venues I've
played in quite a long time.)

Drop me a line off-list about this, and we'll sort out details.  And
I'll post more info about the Torn show (and hopefully additional East
Coast dates) as the time draws closer...

--Andre LaFosse
The Echoplex Analysis Pages:
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 Also, on the first 200 copies of my 2001 CD release,  'loop.pool' ,
 I included a version of the John Cage piece that I called:

4 Minutes and 33 seconds...............................the MEGA MIX,

where I really turned up the subsonic frequencies and wrote a tasteless 909
techno groove, whose volume
was at 0 Db.

I thought it was funny as hell, but all I ever got was people going,   "My
CD is defective, it has a completely silent track on it".
Not one person got it, so I removed it.............oh well......."the best
laid plans o mice and men, gang oft agley".

Screaming the loudest silent scream I can as we speak,


Rick Walker


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In a message dated 11/24/03 9:04:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
rickwalker@looppool.info writes:


> Screaming the loudest silent scream I can as we speak

calm down rick walker.....you are way too old for these kind of 
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Screaming the loudest silent sc=
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calm down rick walker.....you are way too old for these kind of outbursts!..=
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I had the incredible opportunity of seeing Brian Eno speak a week or so 
ago...he related how some jukeboxes used to have silent records on them, 
so a patron could drop a nickel and enjoy three minutes of silence.  He 
said he'd love to buy a jukebox and fill it up with those records, so 
one could sample all the different versions of silence. 

He's part of this foundation which is an example of some amazing (and 
very applicable) thinking:

http://www.longnow.org/

(really funny moment - he had some of his cds with him, and while 
answering audience questions, played some snatches of Discreet Music as 
well as his new cd which is made of bell tones.  Then, about five 
minutes into the lulling first track of "Music for Airports", he snapped 
"oh, turn that crap off.")

Daryl Shawn
highhorse@mhorse.com

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Andre,

In a message dated 11/24/03 5:59:15 PM, altruist@earthlink.net writes:

>I've just gotten confirmation of a show on January 28th in New York, 
>opening for David Torn

Way to go dude! Congratulations! Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. Wow!

Best,

tEd Ū kiLLiAn

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
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At 07:30 PM 11/24/2003, loop.pool wrote:

>so, in a moment of whimsy,  I composed a piece of music that was one sample
>length long to come in with the shortest song ever written....
>
>I call it 'Brevity'.

Hey Rick, what sample rate did you use?  <*big evil grin*>

/me imagines the follow-up single: 'Even Briefer'.  ;)

         -c-

_____
"i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back"
                                                 -recoil

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Andre -

if you get to NYC, you gotta come to Boston.   Let me know when you're going
to be on the right coast, and I'll try to hook you up with a gig in Boston
or Cambridge while you all this way..

David K


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> In reference to Todd Reynolds, John Mazzarella, et al talking about a
> NYC clinic in late January...
>
> That would be great fun, fellows - thanks for the interest.  I've just
> gotten confirmation of a show on January 28th in New York, opening for
> David Torn (to say that I'm looking forward to this would be an
> understatement of cosmic proportions!), so if we could arrange something
> around then it'd be great.
>
> Keep in mind that these things can go on for quite a while - the clinic
> at Kim's this last Saturday went for about three hours with only a
> handful of folks in attendance, and the one in 2002 went even longer.
>
> In setting up something like this, the ideal situation would be to find
> a spot that can accommodate a fairly large chunk of time for discussion
> and demonstration, where making a bit of noise isn't going to be a
> problem...  (a reasonably large living space could be perfect - Kim
> Flint and his girlfriend did a fantastic job of turning their place into
> one of the most accommodating and inviting performance venues I've
> played in quite a long time.)
>
> Drop me a line off-list about this, and we'll sort out details.  And
> I'll post more info about the Torn show (and hopefully additional East
> Coast dates) as the time draws closer...
>
> --Andre LaFosse
> The Echoplex Analysis Pages:
> http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP
>

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Rick - when you get around to cutting the radio edit, let me know.


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> At 07:30 PM 11/24/2003, loop.pool wrote:
>
> >so, in a moment of whimsy,  I composed a piece of music that was one
sample
> >length long to come in with the shortest song ever written....
> >
> >I call it 'Brevity'.
>
> Hey Rick, what sample rate did you use?  <*big evil grin*>
>
> /me imagines the follow-up single: 'Even Briefer'.  ;)
>
>          -c-
>
> _____
> "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back"
>                                                  -recoil
>

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Well Finally some of east coast folks get a break and get a bit of
Excellence in Looping for a change, cool looking forward to that. 

;D 

-----Original Message-----
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In reference to Todd Reynolds, John Mazzarella, et al talking about a NYC
clinic in late January...

That would be great fun, fellows - thanks for the interest.  I've just
gotten confirmation of a show on January 28th in New York, opening for David
Torn (to say that I'm looking forward to this would be an understatement of
cosmic proportions!), so if we could arrange something around then it'd be
great.

Keep in mind that these things can go on for quite a while - the clinic at
Kim's this last Saturday went for about three hours with only a handful of
folks in attendance, and the one in 2002 went even longer.

In setting up something like this, the ideal situation would be to find a
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demonstration, where making a bit of noise isn't going to be a problem...
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time.)

Drop me a line off-list about this, and we'll sort out details.  And I'll
post more info about the Torn show (and hopefully additional East Coast
dates) as the time draws closer...

--Andre LaFosse
The Echoplex Analysis Pages:
http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP


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At 05:38 AM 11/18/2003, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote:

> >>For example, if I select patch 15, I could have Expression Pedal #A set 
> up to control Volume for the device on MIDI channel 2 (in addition to any 
> other program change and/or CC information spit out by that patch).  When 
> I jump to patch 16, however, I need that same Expression Pedal #A to 
> control Aftertouch on MIDI channel 13.<<
>
>what we all need is for peavey to make a version of the pc1600 that lives 
>on the floor, or for someone to go into the business of customising the 
>hardware around the pc1600 board.

I dropped off the edge of the world for a few days due to work-related 
travel, but I just wanted to say thanks to Duncan (as well as to Jeff 
Shirkey -- I think the GCPro may be able to handle remapping the Exp Pedals 
too) for the helpful suggestions.

I hadn't really considered looking into the pc1600 because I've had an old 
JL Cooper Fadermaster since forever, and it's never let me down.  I never 
bothered to take a look at other fader-based MIDI controllers until my feet 
got involved.  ;)

I might still have to combine one with another footpedal like the FCB1010 
(argh!), but that would only be if I still have trouble juggling both the 
Repeater and the Echo Pro with what I already have on the floor.  Seems 
like overkill, and I'm trying to keep things smaller/lighter so I can 
travel with them.  I think I can use a lot of the functions in my 
G-10/G-10C (yamaha midi guitar) to control some of the more, um, *fun* 
features of the Repeater (pitchshifting loops, for instance), so I don't 
have to relegate them to the floor.  We'll see...

Speaking of portable, I'm looking at a couple of 'rack bags' to cram all 
this stuff into (probably a 4-space & a 6-space) so I can drag the setup on 
an airplane.  I've always gone in for the heavy-duty plywood stuff in the 
studio, so this is a somewhat new area for me.  However, I don't want a 
hernia, and would like to take as much stuff carry-on as possible.

Anybody got any wisdom or horror-stories on travelling with this type of 
rack gear?  In particular, I'm interested in anecdotes related to air 
travel.  Muchos gracias!!!

         -c-

_____
"i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back"
                                                 -recoil

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it's been done. skinny puppy I think, Last Rites album from 92. I'm certain 
that was not the first either. A friend of mine in college did an 
industrial music program on the college radio station. I remember talking 
to him about some group who did that one sample trick in the late 80's, but 
I don't remember who. Sorry to burst the originality bubble.

Personally, I prefer the classic short songs by S.O.D.

At 05:30 PM 11/24/2003, loop.pool wrote:
>  I composed a piece of music that was one sample
>length long to come in with the shortest song ever written.




______________________________________________________________________
Kim Flint                     | Looper's Delight
kflint@loopers-delight.com    | http://www.loopers-delight.com

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upgrading to LoopIV might help it also. We added some things in the 
software to make this sort of hardware issue much less likely to cause the 
fade outs.
kim

At 12:56 PM 11/24/2003, Andy Ewen wrote:
>That sounds like a crystal tolerance problem. Send me your address and
>I'll send a couple. They are a bit tricky to replace, but the problem
>can often be cured by changing the audio Coded chip, (large 68-pin
>affair on the left of the PCB) as some seem to accept a wider tolerance
>on the crystals. I'll send a couple of these as well so you can try that
>first. You will need a PLCC removal tool or you may damage the chips but
>they only take seconds to swap out.

>-----Original Message-----
>From: steve jones [mailto:stevejones@hotpop.com]
>  I have a beige EDP v3.5, full memory with foot controller.  I have
>noticed a strange thing - when I record a loop and leave the feedback
>at 100% (fully clockwise) the loop seems to keep going indefinately,
>but if I do some overdubs the whole thing starts to fade out very
>slowly (over 10 mins or so).




______________________________________________________________________
Kim Flint                     | Looper's Delight
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 I have had a similar problem like this once in awhile..I have a 1st
generation EDP (95? 96?) upgraded to LoopIV, and about once a month or so,
it misbehaves...With feedback all the way up (127) the loop still fades,
even when overdub is off. It takes about 6 minutes for a 10 second loop to
die out, but presses of Undo brings it back. Could this be the 'crystal
tolerance problem' too?

Dave Eichenberger 
http://www.hazardfactor.com

 
> At 12:56 PM 11/24/2003, Andy Ewen wrote:
> >That sounds like a crystal tolerance problem. Send me your 
> address and 
> >I'll send a couple. They are a bit tricky to replace, but 
> the problem 
> >can often be cured by changing the audio Coded chip, (large 68-pin 
> >affair on the left of the PCB) as some seem to accept a 
> wider tolerance 
> >on the crystals. I'll send a couple of these as well so you can try 
> >that first. You will need a PLCC removal tool or you may damage the 
> >chips but they only take seconds to swap out.
> 
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: steve jones [mailto:stevejones@hotpop.com]
> >  I have a beige EDP v3.5, full memory with foot controller.  I have 
> >noticed a strange thing - when I record a loop and leave the 
> feedback 
> >at 100% (fully clockwise) the loop seems to keep going indefinately, 
> >but if I do some overdubs the whole thing starts to fade out very 
> >slowly (over 10 mins or so).
> 
> 
> 
>  

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WOW! What an interesting reference. My Junior High days have just flashed
before my eyes :)


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>
>Personally, I prefer the classic short songs by S.O.D.
>

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classic yes - but Ian, Charlie and company owe much to DRI for 1983's the 
Dirty Rotten LP - 22 songs in 18 minutes.


At 10:47 PM 03/11/24, Kim Flint wrote:

>Personally, I prefer the classic short songs by S.O.D.

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Jim reviewed both my "solo-ambient-solo-bass" CD's  for  the All Music Guide
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=MISS70308201453&sql=Ac098s31wa3mg 


And I really value TATU for both it's musical selections and 
reviews/histories of Ambient music.

Scott Kungha Drengsen


Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:

> just got an e-mail from this fellow as he will be in my neck of the 
> woods tomorrow, i have no idea who he is but thought that his book 
> might be of interest to some..... Click here: Tracks Across the 
> Universe - Jim Brenholts 
>  



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Jim reviewed both my "solo-ambient-solo-bass" CD's  for  the All Music Guide

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=MISS70308201453&sql=Ac098s31wa3mg



And I really value TATU for both it's musical selections and reviews/histories
of Ambient music.



Scott Kungha Drengsen





Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:


just got an e-mail from this fellow
as he will be in my neck of the woods tomorrow, i have no idea who he is
but thought that his book might be of interest to some..... Click here:
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found this on the ComputerMuzys site

well explained, and figures too :-


< The "latency" thing : Why is there a delay between my MIDI input and audio 
output ?> 

Since all audio software must precalculate audio fragments before they can  
be send to the soundcard, and arrive to your ears, there goes some time between 
the moment some MIDI message is arrived at MIDI input, and the moment that 
the audio is ready, and is played through the speakers. 

Especially on the Windows(r) platform things can be quite serious. 

Windows itself, as an operating system, generates latencies (delays) of up to 
500ms (half a second !!!) between an incoming MIDI event, and reporting it to 
the application. And then the audio still has to be calculated and send to 
the soundcard. 

Though, starting from Windows 98, things are improving, and with a good setup 
and a good soundcard you may achieve latencies of 20ms or less. Especially if 
you use the ASIO drivers ! 

Even on faster systems like the Mac (latencies up  to 15ms), Linux (up to 
10ms) and BeOs (up to 10ms), the problem is there. And even on dedicated  
hardware machines like samplers and drumboxes, there are measurable delays ! (Roland 
R8/R70 : 10ms, Yamaha O2R : 20ms, ...) 

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> I feel a little dense, but I cannot find the Torn/Berne set at the BBC.
>  
>  Can anyone enlighten me.  There's nothing on the November 21st show and
>  there is one
>  Tim Berne Trio (sans David) show on November 14th.
>  
>  What am I missing?

patience :-)

it's not broadcast till Friday, 
and will be available for the following week

 Click here: BBC - 
Radio 3 - Jazz on 3 home page

(i think that's the Torn gig)

there's also a "did Zappa play jazz" 3 part doc,
part one  online now, though there appears to
be too many people trying to access it at the moment.
(=error)

As has been mentioned before, the bbc radio3 site 
is a good place to search out interesting music.

andy butler 


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;-)

-----Message d'origine-----
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Date:	mardi 25 novembre 2003 02:30
A:	Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Objet:	silent


I read here while back of the longest song ever performed..........a piece
of music that has been being played for ten years and still isn't finished
so, in a moment of whimsy,  I composed a piece of music that was one sample
length long to come in with the shortest song ever written.

I also put the volume so low that you can't hear the sample.

If you are curious,  e-mail me off list and I'll send it to
you............lol.

I call it 'Brevity'.

Rick Walker
rickwalker@looppool.info
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I don't suppose there is any chance of this duo coming
through the Detroit or Ann Arbor area is there?

Glenn

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> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 8:52 PM
> To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: re: New York EDP clinic and gigs...
> 
> In reference to Todd Reynolds, John Mazzarella, et al talking about a
> NYC clinic in late January...
> 
> That would be great fun, fellows - thanks for the interest.  I've just
> gotten confirmation of a show on January 28th in New York, opening for
> David Torn ...

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>>I used to own a Johnny Winter record (the good old days of vinyl), 
can't remember the name, which consisted of three sides of a double 
album. The fourth side was blank. Does this count?<<

whatever was on that fourth side, it was a cover of an earlier recording by jimi hendrix, which occupied the entire fourth side of the BBC sessions that came out on transparent vinyl back in the 80s. again, this track is missing from the cd re-release, supporting my theory that cd's just aren't any good at quiet passages. ;-)

true silence is quite difficult to achieve these days, and is quite an experience (npi) in it's own right, which is what cage was getting at, partly. you'll need some of those bose headphones to get the best out of such a recording....

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>>I used to own a Johnny Winter record (the good ol=
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>>Come to think of it there's a track called "power cut" from the Greasy
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on.Dunno if it's on CD though.<<

not on my copy.... :-(


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>>Speaking of portable, I'm looking at a couple of 'rack bags' to cram all 
this stuff into (probably a 4-space & a 6-space) so I can drag the setup on 
an airplane.  I've always gone in for the heavy-duty plywood stuff in the 
studio, so this is a somewhat new area for me.  However, I don't want a 
hernia, and would like to take as much stuff carry-on as possible.

Anybody got any wisdom or horror-stories on travelling with this type of 
rack gear?  In particular, I'm interested in anecdotes related to air 
travel.  Muchos gracias!!!<<

it really depends on which carrier, and whether you plan to keep the rack-bags with you as hand-luggage or trust them to the hold. there may be issues with temperature- I hated to put my rickenbacker into a hold, and it came out freezing cold and, in it's own sweet way, mad at me. 
but even the cheapest rack-bag I have, a proel 4U, will survive this torture better than the popular plastic flight cases from EMS (not the synth people); I used one of these in 3U config to travel transatlantic and domestic-US and on all three trips it's lid came off and was resecured with airline tape. this cost me a couple of fader tops from my little mixer; I consider myself fortunate that nothing worse happened, and I would not have shipped a sampler with any sort of drive in it this way.

the same proel rack-bag came with a less-than-substantial shoulder strap. take that off and throw it away immediately, unless it's better than what I had. and the bag offers no shock protection- most solid state gear would be ok, but I lost a syquest drive in a sampler when this bag slipped from the rear seat of a cab to the floor of same. a more expensive padded version might have helped here, but it costs you space, obviously.

and a 3 or 4 unit rack-bag, provided it's not too deep, should be alright for carry-on, but consider something more robust for the remainder of your gear and let it go in the hold, keeping just the fragile stuff with you. 

airlines regard tough-looking cases as some sort of challenge or insult, and "fragile" seems to be airline-ese for "throw me". the so-called flight-case that the aforementioned ricky was in, sustained major damage on it's first transatlantic trip, and on the corner where the guitar is nearest the outside world. I was lucky not to lose a lump out of the wood. conversely, the old fender case my newly-acquired VI came back to blighty in was totally unscathed.
and watch the baggage allowances- I got stung for an extra seat (which obviously, you don't get to use) for excess baggage on an internal (united) flight from LA to PA. international was more acommodating (cheers, virgin). most of them publish about half what you need on their websites- a 'phone call ahead is practically mandatory for avoidance of nightmares, even though the sort of stuff us musos schlepp about is small-fry compared with some of the skis and snowboards I've seen. and paintings....

please feel free to ask more- I've just run out of time, not stories.

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>>Speaking of portable, I'm looking at a couple of =
'rack bags' to cram all 

this stuff into (probably a 4-space & a 6-space) so =
I can drag the setup on 

an airplane.  I've always gone in for the heavy-dut=
y plywood stuff in the 

studio, so this is a somewhat new area for me.  How=
ever, I don't want a 

hernia, and would like to take as much stuff carry-on as=
 possible.




Anybody got any wisdom or horror-stories on travelling wi=
th this type of 

rack gear?  In particular, I'm interested in anecdo=
tes related to air 

travel.  Muchos gracias!!!<<




it really depends on which carrier, and whether you plan =
to keep the rack-bags with you as hand-luggage or trust them to the hold. t=
here may be issues with temperature- I hated to put my rickenbacker into a =
hold, and it came out freezing cold and, in it's own sweet way, mad at me. =




but even the cheapest rack-bag I have, a proel 4U, will s=
urvive this torture better than the popular plastic flight cases from EMS (=
not the synth people); I used one of these in 3U config to travel transatla=
ntic and domestic-US and on all three trips it's lid came off and was resec=
ured with airline tape. this cost me a couple of fader tops from my little =
mixer; I consider myself fortunate that nothing worse happened, and I would=
 not have shipped a sampler with any sort of drive in it this way.


the same proel rack-bag came with a less-than-substantial=
 shoulder strap. take that off and throw it away immediately, unless it's b=
etter than what I had. and the bag offers no shock protection- most solid s=
tate gear would be ok, but I lost a syquest drive in a sampler when this ba=
g slipped from the rear seat of a cab to the floor of same. a more expensiv=
e padded version might have helped here, but it costs you space, obviously.=




and a 3 or 4 unit rack-bag, provided it's not too deep, s=
hould be alright for carry-on, but consider something more robust for the r=
emainder of your gear and let it go in the hold, keeping just the fragile s=
tuff with you. 



airlines regard tough-looking cases as some sort of chall=
enge or insult, and "fragile" seems to be airline-ese for "t=
hrow me". the so-called flight-case that the aforementioned ricky was =
in, sustained major damage on it's first transatlantic trip, and on the cor=
ner where the guitar is nearest the outside world. I was lucky not to lose =
a lump out of the wood. conversely, the old fender case my newly-acquired V=
I came back to blighty in was totally unscathed.



and watch the baggage allowances- I got stung for an extr=
a seat (which obviously, you don't get to use) for excess baggage on an int=
ernal (united) flight from LA to PA. international was more acommodating (c=
heers, virgin). most of them publish about half what you need on their webs=
ites- a 'phone call ahead is practically mandatory for avoidance of nightma=
res, even though the sort of stuff us musos schlepp about is small-fry comp=
ared with some of the skis and snowboards I've seen. and paintings....



please feel free to ask more- I've just run out of time, =
not stories.




d./r.m.i. 







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Paul Greenstein wrote:

> I used to own a Johnny Winter record (the good old days of vinyl), 
> can't remember the name, which consisted of three sides of a double 
> album. The fourth side was blank. Does this count?


Second Winter.


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Hi,

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> even though the sort of stuff us musos schlepp about is small-fry
> compared with some of the skis and snowboards I've seen. and
paintings....
> please feel free to ask more- I've just run out of time, not stories. 

But the the magic key for air travel is weight and not size. Being
someone who has traveled with skis, snowboards, and sometimes both,
these items usually don't generate any grief because they are pretty
lightweight for their size.

A friend of mine just flew into Detroit with full rack in tow. He
carried his instrument on the plane. The rest had to go in the hold.
Apparently the weight allowance (at least for United) has recently
been reduced to 50lbs a bag so a fair amount of time had to be
spent splitting items between rack case and suitcase so that
neither of them went over. I think both weighed in at about 49lbs
when he boarded. But ... no grief and no damage.

Glenn

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In a message dated 11/25/03 9:09:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
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> However, I don't want a 
> hernia, and would like to take as much stuff carry-on as possible. 

when i flew out to cali in oct. for y2k3, they would not allow me to carry on 
my guitar.....this had changed from previous flights.....one good thing about 
this though was the fact that if you take your guitar onto the plane, they 
will hand carry it down a flight of stairs and hand deliver it to the baggage 
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Hi Markus,

I don't know if this is what you're looking for, but Christof Migone released a CD called "Quieting" on Alien8 Recordings (http://www.alien8recordings.com). Each track of sound (all supposedly originating from a 23 second recording - included as one of the tracks - of the noon-day cannon fired at the Citadel in Halifax, Nova Scotia) is accompanied by another of the same length which is totally silent.

On a somewhat more amusing note (sorry, bad pun), a few months ago I was out walking my dog. Laying on somebody's lawn looking lonely, was a CD-R. No case, cover, or label, even hand-written. Figured I'd pick it up just in case there was anything interesting on it. Put it in my CD player, which said there were 27 tracks. Pressed play. Nothing. After a minute or so I skipped to the next track. Nothing. Same with the next. And the next. Decided to try cranking the volume in case it was just something very quiet. Nope. The track times were all different, but nary a peep on any of them. Come to think of it, I don't remember if any were 4' 33". If you like, I could dub you a copy ;-).

On the topic of silent LP tracks, there was actually something once, called "The Nothing Album," which was apparently an entire LP with no sounds. I was kind of curious when I saw it, but for some reason didn't want to plonk down the $5 for it.


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Hi all.

On this topic of silence, I'll take it to the other extreme ... an lp's
worth of all noise. Lou Reed has that one covered with Metal Machine Music
(I think it was called that). No tossing in bands you dislike now (lol).

Stuart

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[ "lol c"  ] wrote:

>I layed a regular musicians night last night

What, all of them??? ;-)

>this is the deepest carlisle (imagine the sort of place you might have to 
>sit to write lord of the rings.......grass,sheep, cold winde etc) surrounded 
>by old school wannabe folk singers, and all of a sudden im fielding a 
>disscussion forum on looping!!!!it felt quite absurd.

Would that be the one in Cumbria (or whatever they're calling it these days)? My dad did some of his growing up near there seventy-odd years ago. Actually, he was in Cotehill now that I think of it, but not far away. 'Tis indeed lovely country. My late wife said it was like living in a Costable painting. Glad to hear there's some loopy activity there.


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Some factoids regarding silence...

The Sonic Arts Network  in London is 
supposed to have a Call for Silence CD out at the beginning next year, 
curated by Nic Collins in Chicago, and free to it members.

Many CDs by Francisco Lopez  consist of 
long passages of silence and near-silence. There's plenty of discussion 
on this field on the lowercase-sound list 
.

Though it's not silent, an extended duration performance of one of John 
Cage's pieces is described here: 

It is "As Slow as Possible" and is to be perfrormed on a church organ in 
Halberstadt, Germany for the next 639 years.

Best regards,
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--- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:
> when i flew out to cali in oct. for y2k3, they would not allow me to carry on 
> my guitar.....this had changed from previous flights.....one good thing about 
> this though was the fact that if you take your guitar onto the plane, they 
> will hand carry it down a flight of stairs and hand deliver it to the baggage 
> section of the plane thus bypassing the "goons" who throw stuff around in the 
> terminal.....michael

This is pretty common, and it's called "gate checking". My friend travels with
his guitar a lot and that's what he always does. He just tells them when he
checks his other baggage that he wants to "gate check" the guitar and never gets
any flack. People do this a lot with things like baby strollers, things that are
too large to take onboard, but will be needed when going through the terminal.
They return the gate checked things to you when get off the plane (not at the
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i think Sonic Youth's Bad Moon Rising ranks up there in the all noise 
category...but its been a while since i last heard it.

shane



>
>On this topic of silence, I'll take it to the other extreme ... an lp's
>worth of all noise. Lou Reed has that one covered with Metal Machine Music
>(I think it was called that). No tossing in bands you dislike now (lol).
>
>Stuart
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Yesterday I pulled out Merzbow's "Bastard Noise" for a listen...it's a 
good experience to put pretty much all other music in perspective (and 
clean out any earwax).  Makes the noisiest parts of SY sound like Gordon 
Lightfoot...

Daryl Shawn
highhorse@mhorse.com

> i think Sonic Youth's Bad Moon Rising ranks up there in the all noise 
> category...but its been a while since i last heard it.



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They have other things that have come out since Bad Moon that are more noise
oriented than Bad Moon could ever be. I love that album so much. The stuff
Thurston Moore did with Nels Cline is pretty noisey.

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>i think Sonic Youth's Bad Moon Rising ranks up there in the all noise 
>category...but its been a while since i last heard it.

>shane




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It's possible. If you want to try the same fixes as Steve, please send
me your address

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... 

 I have had a similar problem like this once in awhile..I have a 1st
generation EDP (95? 96?) upgraded to LoopIV, and about once a month or
so,
it misbehaves...With feedback all the way up (127) the loop still fades,
even when overdub is off. It takes about 6 minutes for a 10 second loop
to
die out, but presses of Undo brings it back. Could this be the 'crystal
tolerance problem' too?

Dave Eichenberger 
http://www.hazardfactor.com

 
> At 12:56 PM 11/24/2003, Andy Ewen wrote:
> >That sounds like a crystal tolerance problem. Send me your 
> address and 
> >I'll send a couple. They are a bit tricky to replace, but 
> the problem 
> >can often be cured by changing the audio Coded chip, (large 68-pin 
> >affair on the left of the PCB) as some seem to accept a 
> wider tolerance 
> >on the crystals. I'll send a couple of these as well so you can try 
> >that first. You will need a PLCC removal tool or you may damage the 
> >chips but they only take seconds to swap out.
> 
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: steve jones [mailto:stevejones@hotpop.com]
> >  I have a beige EDP v3.5, full memory with foot controller.  I have 
> >noticed a strange thing - when I record a loop and leave the 
> feedback 
> >at 100% (fully clockwise) the loop seems to keep going indefinately, 
> >but if I do some overdubs the whole thing starts to fade out very 
> >slowly (over 10 mins or so).
> 
> 
> 
>  



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StuartF wrote:

>Hi all.
>
>On this topic of silence, I'll take it to the other extreme ... an lp's
>worth of all noise. Lou Reed has that one covered with Metal Machine Music
>(I think it was called that). No tossing in bands you dislike now (lol).
>
>Stuart
>  
>

Hey! I like that album!

Of course it's not anything you just slap on the
CD player. The moment has to be just right.....


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On the noise tip:  Pat Metheny: "Zero Tolerance for Noise"

When it came out, it even had an "Endorsed by Thurston Moore" sticker on it!
:-)


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> Hi all.
>
> On this topic of silence, I'll take it to the other extreme ... an lp's
> worth of all noise. Lou Reed has that one covered with Metal Machine Music
> (I think it was called that). No tossing in bands you dislike now (lol).
>
> Stuart
>

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And let's not forget my favorite architects of noise when they were so =
inclined: SWANS.

When they played live, they were loud enough that it seemed sounds =
created themselves inside your head.=20

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> Daryl Shawn
> highhorse@mhorse.com
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And let's not forget my favorite =
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Hello folks,

I have what I'm sure will strike you as the most pathetic request in 
the history of the Looping-list.  I am a long-time user of the Repeater 
(and other devices too).  I just got a Behringer FCB1010 to be able to 
do more with it with my feet and I CAN'T STOMACH LEARNING TO PROGRAM 
IT!!!  I'm just so sick of learning to do this kind of stuff - I'm just 
a lowly musician, for dog's sake!  Are there any Toronto or 
South-Western Ontario loopers or MIDIphiles who could be bribed, 
liquored, or otherwise compensated for doing this dirty deed for me, 
please?  If so, please reply off-list to fcbhelp@macrophone.org and we 
can talk about how to proceed.

Thanks very much!





Yours in shame,


ben grossman

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You just have to get your head around Behringer's terminology regarding the
unit.  It took me a while, too.  The second time I tried it, I figured it
out.

There are ten "banks."  A "bank" is a group of ten "presets" (the ten
footswitches).  Preset = pedal/button/footswitch, whatever you want to call
the things numbered from 0-9 that you step on on the unit and expect to send
fancy messages to your other improperly configured gear.  You are "in"
whatever number bank the LEDs display on the unit.  You change banks with
the UP and DOWN pedals.

A "preset" can send several messages SIMULTANEOUSLY including midi
note-on/off, a MIDI continuous controller , and a program change.  I think
they are thinking of it more to send program changes to a guitar amp or
effects box or something, because once you step on a "preset" its light
comes on and you can change banks, and come back to it and it will still be
lit showing you what "preset" you're using.  If you're doing something like
sending MIDI notes to control an EDP it doesn't make much sense to call it a
"preset."  Also, until you press another preset (i.e. button 0-9), the two
expression pedals behave using the parameters contained in the last preset
you hit.  So, if you want a whole *bank* of *presets* where expression pedal
1 is volume of your EDP, and expression pedal 2 is feedback, then you need
to program each preset so that the pedals are ON, and they are sending
controller 07, and controller 01 (for a default EDP configuration).

Once you're in edit mode (by first selecting [with your foot] the preset you
want to edit, and then pressing and holding the DOWN pedal until the green
LED starts blinking, then you press UP to confirm that you want to continue
editing the preset) whatever pedal lights are lit up, are the messages that
are being sent.  I think most of the presets on a unit from the factory are
sending program change, and have the two expression pedals set to volume,
and pan.  If you do not want to send a program change message from this
"preset" and the LED over pedal 1 is lit, then you need to step on it until
it goes out.  See how it says "PROG CHG 1" over that there pedal?  Problem
solved.  If you decide instead that you do want to send a program change
from that preset (pedal), then just hold down the 1 pedal until the light
comes on.   To edit the value of a program change, CC, note-on/off just step
on the pedal briefly and it should begin to flash (only if you have enabled
it with a held press, and the LED over the function is on though).  Hit the
UP button to confirm you want to edit the data.  Then, if it's a note, it
will ask you to input a MIDI note.  If it's a program change it will ask you
for a program change.

Bleh...  You set the channels for the different functions from the global
edit mode which you get to by holding the down pedal while the unit boots
up.

Sheesh.  Why do I have to rewrite Behringer's shitty manual?  What am I
doing with my life.  Figure it out.  Or buy someone beer to do it for you.
Silly me.

Anyway, I tried.  Hope this helps someone, or at least encourages someone to
give their FCB1010 that they threw in the closet another try.  It really
does make sense after you mess with it enough.

-J





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> Hello folks,
>
> I have what I'm sure will strike you as the most pathetic request in
> the history of the Looping-list.  I am a long-time user of the Repeater
> (and other devices too).  I just got a Behringer FCB1010 to be able to
> do more with it with my feet and I CAN'T STOMACH LEARNING TO PROGRAM
> IT!!!  I'm just so sick of learning to do this kind of stuff - I'm just
> a lowly musician, for dog's sake!  Are there any Toronto or
> South-Western Ontario loopers or MIDIphiles who could be bribed,
> liquored, or otherwise compensated for doing this dirty deed for me,
> please?  If so, please reply off-list to fcbhelp@macrophone.org and we
> can talk about how to proceed.
>
> Thanks very much!
>
> Yours in shame,
>
> ben grossman

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Hasn't Windows XP significantly improved the operational latency over Win98,
Andy?

My new computer has that really incredibly fast motherboard and the RAM that
supports it
(I forget what it is called as a good friend of mine custom built the
machine for me).   I think
its 'throughput' (if I have the right term) is something like 6 or 8 times
faster than my old Dell computer
(which has a P4 1300 mghz processor in it).    Pardon my computer naivite,
but does this improve
latency at all or is it always going to be only as fast as the operating
system.

One thing I have noticed is that the new P4 2200 mghz WinXP machine is
considerably faster at processing
everything than my  (new to me) G4 Titanium laptop.


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> From: SoundFNR@aol.com [mailto:SoundFNR@aol.com]

>
> found this on the ComputerMuzys site
>
> well explained, and figures too :-
>
>
> < The "latency" thing : Why is there a delay between my MIDI
> input and audio
> output ?>
>


> Especially on the Windows(r) platform things can be quite serious.
>


> Though, starting from Windows 98, things are improving, and with
> a good setup and a good soundcard you may achieve latencies of 20ms
> or less. Especially if you use the ASIO drivers !
>
> Even on faster systems like the Mac (latencies up to 15ms), Linux (up to
> 10ms) and BeOs (up to 10ms), the problem is there. And even on dedicated
> hardware machines like samplers and drumboxes, there are measurable delays
!
> (Roland R8/R70 : 10ms, Yamaha O2R : 20ms, ...)


That's misleading, or maybe it's just dated information. It implies that
Windows is an inferior platform for realtime Midi/softsynth/softsampler use.

I run Sonar 2.2 on a modest (by today's standards) 1 gigHz Dell computer
under Win/XP. I trigger percussion samples with the DR-008 drum module from
a DrumKAT pad and pedals. My soundcard is a Dakota, running the latest
driver in ASIO mode.

The latency on this system is 1.5 ms.

The *true* latency is more like 4 ms, allowing for the time in and out of
the A/D-D/A converters. But it feels pretty damnned immediate when I'm
playing drum samples off the pads. Anything under 5 ms. is fine for most
people... unless you have a hyper-attenuated sense of time.

With contemporary audio software, and a good soundcard with good drivers,
latency is no longer a serious issue. And it doesn't matter what OS you run.
You just need the right gear, and the right drivers.

--
Mike Barrs

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wavecomputer360 wrote:

> apologies if this question has already been answered but is there a new 
> LD compilation CD planned, and if so, how can I contribute a track (to 
> what specifications etc.) ? Thanks,

I think the last couple attempts fizzled.  Speaking from the perspective 
of someone who organized one of "those" compilations (V2), it's a lot of 
work and headache.  Initial interest was high and them faded to 
absolutely nothing.  I still have a few boxes of the CDs floating around 
somewhere.

I think the key to future successful compilations CDs is to release them 
via a site like ampcast.com - where there is essentially no up front 
costs and proceeds can go directly to Kim.

I'd be willing to *help* organize another compilation, but I won't do it 
by myself again (at least not right now!).

Matt

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You will get the best latency on a PC using a PCI audio interface.  I'd
recommend the Aardvark Direct Pro, or Q10, which offer zero latency input
monitoring.  Very nice.  Didn't realize that other audio interfaces don't
necessarily have zero latency monitoring of a clean input signal, until I
got sold my Aardvark Q10 for a MOTU 828mkII. Oh well.

Firewire is still not as good on PC as it is on Mac.  At least, that is what
the dude at Sweetwater told me who sold me my MOTU.  But, I needed it more
for the standalone mixer, and rear-mounted i/o than for zero latency input
monitoring.

I will tell you that it doesn't run well on a Dell 400Mhz Pentium 2 laptop.
Although, not much does these days...  Anybody got a decent 1Ghz+ laptop
they wanna get rid of for a good cause?

-J

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http://www.ebong.org

...aka the European Jam Consortium.  The reviewer really did his
homework, and gives not just a review of the CD, but a very
comprehensive account of looping in general, with a slant towards its
use in the jamband realm via Keller Williams and Trey Anastasio...

----------------------------
Review: "Normalized"/Andre LaFosse
by Jibbork Takayama

The technology of "looping" (the act of recording sound into an
electronic device, which then repeats it ad infinitum) in the pop music
domain pretty much starts with guitar virtuoso/electronic poineer Les
Paul. Les Paul's numerous technological advances, looping has become an
integral composition methodology in nearly all of todays popular music
culture. Nearly every beat you hear is looped from some sound source or
another... and nearly every groove record from the 1980's was looped
from classic James Brown drummer Clyde Stubblefield's "Funky Drummer"
funk out. But the technology of looping goes back to the invention of
electricity, and more importantly electronic music. 

In the mid 1960s Northern California composer Terry Riley used to
multiple Revox tape recorders to create extended improvisations, which
looped in and around themselves. More specifically, Riley's looping
process was to improvise keyboard, saxophone or voice tracks into a
microphone which fed the sounds into a 2 track reel-to-reel tape
machine, which looped itself around and around. The sound from the first
tape machine was then fed to a second reel-to-reel machine which
recorded the sound from the first tape machine then looped it. Riley's
set up endlessly passed the sound from the original source (Terry) to
Loop 1 to Loop 2 which would then be fed to loudspeakers which Terry
would improvise to. Essentially feeding it all back into itself, very
much like serpent eating its own tail until it eats the mouth that's
eating it. 

Jump to the early 1970's, English pop superstar Brian Eno and the king
of King Crimson, Robert Fripp experiment wildly with tape loops during
the recording of their collaborative albums "Discreet Music" and
"Evening Star" and "No Pussyfooting." Fripp eventually developed his own
looping system (Frippertronics) which he employed exquisitely (in one
form or another) with King Crimson and in his own solo performances to
this day. 

With the rise of turntablism, looping took another form. Instead of
recording sounds to magnetic tape, the skilled turntablist would create
a new compositon by beat matching short breakbeat sections from vintage
funk vinyl. The process is usually something like this: Play turntable
number one - turntable two is already set to start at the beginning of
the breakbeat... at the end of the breakbeat on deck one... start deck
two then silently roll deck one back to the start point of the
breakbeat... switch back to deck one when deck two is done with the
break beat... lather rinse repeat. 

Looping has slowly entered the jamsphere in numerous forms, most notably
Trey Anastasio's "funk siren" from the late 90s shows. Additionally, one
man band Keller Williams has made entire career out of epic loop
performances. Art punk geniuses Radiohead also employ real time
sampling/looping during their performances... often concluding their
performances with loops of "Everything In Its Right Place" still playing
to cheering crowds long after they've left the building. 

Los Angeles based solo loop artist Andre LaFosse takes all of this
technobabble and pushes it even further forward into the future on his
latest recording "Normalized". It's 73 minutes are filled to the
bursting point with turntablist guitar excursions that fall more in the
realm of drum 'n bass than the layered folk groovyness of Keller. One
comparative analogy may be... Keller is to the Big Wu as Andre is to The
Disco Biscuits. In fact Andre's playing is a bit more avant-garde then
anything the Biscuits may offer, but they both do traverse similar areas
of technodelica. 

Superbly recorded live-in-the-studio with no overdubs (except for a
handful of tracks) and no guitar synthesizers, the 18 tracks on
"Normalized" show Andre's dazzling mastery of his instrument and more
importantly his ability to execute densely packed improvisations that
rock your booty as well as blow your mind. Each and every pick scrape,
string scratch, harmonic squalk and muted flurry morphs into a giant
recombinant electronic percussion orchestra. Pushing available
technology its limits, Andre's real-time reverse loop tracking creates a
shape-shifting tapestry of imaginary hi-hats, cymbal swooshes,
Squarepusher-inspired snare drum feedbacks anchored by low down techno
bass dropouts, and some of the weirdest funk sirens this side of
Vermont. 

"Hammerhead"'s basic loop is approximately 2 seconds long... 14 seconds
and 6 repeats into the track, an additional 6 layers have been added to
the original loop, while the original has been flipped around backwards.
0 to 420 in 14 seconds and already transmorphed from dancefloor
throwdown to intergalactic space dust dub n bass. The end result is
somewhat similar to turntablist beat matching... jumping from one short
break to another (this time backwards or slowed down or all scratched
up) all done in real time. As if to prove to us that this ain't no joke
or studio trickery, Andre' includes two versions of the track
"Solitaire," recorded at different tempos, in different keys. Still, the
outcome of each is singularly dazzling but when listened to in
succession they individually reveal the "from here to there" mastery
that Andre LaFosse posseses. 

All of this leaves me to the next group of questions... Where has this
guy been hiding? How come he's not in the late night tent at the summer
jam festivals? And with music as creative as this, one can only wonder
what Andre's 'in concert light show' is like. Wicki wicki wicki wicki.

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Hey fellow loopers:

I've been talking to several people all over the world lately and it seems
that there is a rush on
to try and write live looping software for the laptop (or home computer).
I've talked to people who are
trying to write software for both Mac and PC................no one has
unveiled as of yet, to my knowledge (with the
exception of Ableton's LIVE but you still have to have a preset tempo in
order to make it work so it is not
as flexible as any of the major or minor looping hardware devices out there.

I personally, wouldn't consider using anything live unless it had the
salient features of the hardware loopers that I use.
So I propose we raise the bar level for the people who are putting all this
time into designing the next generation of looping machines
(with all kudos and respect to all the incredible work that has already gone
into the design of the current breed of looping hardware).



So here is my proposal for a thread:

If you respond, please number your answers for collating purposes.   Thanks
a lot.

1)   WHAT ARE THE FEATURES THAT YOU THAT YOU CONSIDER INDISPENSABLE IN THE
LOOPER THAT YOU USE.?

2)  WHAT FEATURES MAKE THE LOOPER YOU USE STAND OUT FROM OTHER LOOPERS IN
THE FIELD?




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On 03-11-26 07.22,  "Jesse Ray Lucas"  wrote:

> You will get the best latency on a PC using a PCI audio interface.  I'd
> recommend the Aardvark Direct Pro, or Q10, which offer zero latency input
> monitoring.  

Good point on PCI! On Mac there is firewire 800 as well, almost as fast as
PCI. But please note that this "zero latency input monitoring" has nothing
to do with latency. It's just bypassing the machine and sending the input
signal directly to the output for monitoring.

Latency is the time the machine needs to digitize and process an input
signal.

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Per Boysen
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On 03-11-26 05.05,  "Andre LaFosse"  wrote:

> http://www.ebong.org
> 
> ...aka the European Jam Consortium.  The reviewer really did his
> homework, and gives not just a review of the CD, but a very
> comprehensive account of looping in general, with a slant towards its
> use in the jamband realm via Keller Williams and Trey Anastasio...
> 
> ----------------------------
> Review: "Normalized"/Andre LaFosse
> by Jibbork Takayama


Thanks for spamming ;-)  Very well written as an article and the very best
review of your music (as it should be). I'm happy to see such a good media
coverage of looping artists.

-- 
Best wishes

Per Boysen
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>>i think Sonic Youth's Bad Moon Rising ranks up there in the all noise 
category...but its been a while since i last heard it.<<

all day yesterday, I was trying to remember what else in my record collection was purposefully silent. I have one of these cd players that takes 400 discs and can play anything it wants at random. in normal use, there's a pause of around eight seconds between selections, but once or twice it's gone quiet for a minute or so, and always while I've been out of the room so I couldn't see what it was up to. 
serendipitously, yesterday evening, I caught it.... playing track 2 of sonic youth's "whitey album", "(silence)". the vinyl version is the same but crackly.

lou reed's mmm has, so far as I can tell, all four sides the same. I found it bearable at low levels and with a yard or two of "herbal cigarette", but really we were just trying to be cool, listening to stuff like that. weren't we? at least with the yoot, you get the sense that there's some sort of narrative thread present, even the stuff they did right after the glenn branca period.

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all day yesterday, I was trying to remember what else in =
my record collection was purposefully silent. I have one of these cd player=
s that takes 400 discs and can play anything it wants at random. in normal =
use, there's a pause of around eight seconds between selections, but once o=
r twice it's gone quiet for a minute or so, and always while I've been out =
of the room so I couldn't see what it was up to. 



serendipitously, yesterday evening, I caught it.... playi=
ng track 2 of sonic youth's "whitey album", "(silence)"=
. the vinyl version is the same but crackly.



lou reed's mmm has, so far as I can tell, all four sides =
the same. I found it bearable at low levels and with a yard or two of "=
;herbal cigarette", but really we were just trying to be cool, listeni=
ng to stuff like that. weren't we? at least with the yoot, you get the sens=
e that there's some sort of narrative thread present, even the stuff they d=
id right after the glenn branca period.



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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com  Wed Nov 26 09:20:16 2003
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From: Douglas Baldwin 
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> On the noise tip:  Pat Metheny: "Zero Tolerance for Noise"

That would be "Zero Tolerance For Silence." Which is really edgy, but not
noise to me, as in a random generation of frequencies across the entire
audio spectrum. My two fave-raves (which do indeed approach the
sheets-of-static effect) are:
"Earth 2" - which I believe is the name of the artists as well as the CD;
and who could forget "Weasels Ripped My Flesh" by the ol' Zappa-roo!
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
coyotelk@optonline.net
ps - Where can get a copy of Metal Machine Music?

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> 1)   WHAT ARE THE FEATURES THAT YOU THAT YOU CONSIDER INDISPENSABLE IN THE
> LOOPER THAT YOU USE.?
>

i primarily use the repeater, edp, and a digitech rds 3.6.   i own a line 6
studio delay, but i don't see that it really does anything that others don't
do better.
first and foremost, in my humble opinion: it ain't a looper if it can't
overdub and has an adjustable feedback.  these are the features that each
offers that i consider indispensable:

repeater: multiple tracks
edp: no artifact at the loop point and multiple controller issues
digitech rds 3.6:  SMOOTH DELAY TIME ADJUSTMENT!!!

> 2)  WHAT FEATURES MAKE THE LOOPER YOU USE STAND OUT FROM OTHER LOOPERS IN
> THE FIELD?
>
the following features are listed divided by the unit and ranked by
importance:
repeater: a. multiple tracks, b. sync, reverse, c. adjustable loop
tempo(crazy granular thing at 10 bpm and below), d. adjustable loop pitch.
edp: a. no artifact at the loop point, b. smooth cc controllable feedback,
c. dedicated foot controller(embarrassing, but i hate fighting with midi
assignments just to have them become useless as i put the gear in a new
environment), d. multiple loops.
digitech rds 3.6:  a. SMOOTH DELAY TIME ADJUSTMENT b. no artifact at the
loop point.  c. crazy granular thing it does when in chorus, flange and
double.

it's not so much that a smooth delay time knob is the only thing i'm looking
for in a looper, but it is something that none of the swank units have.   it
seems like something the edp could do, but alas...
i'm just starting to mess around with vst, but this feature does seem like a
real bitch to try and emulate w/ software.   you would certainly need the
software to be able to smoothly interpolate the gradients between the
positions on your cc, and that could be tough to do with a wave file that is
playing and being recorded to at the same time.  feedback and volume control
would be a lot easier, of course.   the whole thing would have to have a
latency of no longer than 13ms (at least in an asio environment), >5ms would
be preferable.   actually, i could handle greater latency if somebody could
work out the smooth delay time knob.   maybe it could be a mode that is
toggled on and off.   multiple tracks seems like it wouldn't be that hard
and it would be nice to be able to route each track to external effects.
dolby 5.1 might not be that hard and might be nice.   something that could
be used in an environment like cubase or flstudio would be nice.
my boy is coming over with ableton live, friday.   i haven't heard great
things, however. we'll see.

well, i guess that i have subjected you to enough for this post.
lance

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i'm using creamware (pulsar ii) and the latency there is pretty minimal.
as far as simply triggering soft synths, it seems ok.  any hardware but
actual an analogue synth feels a little squishy to me, anyway.   i really
like the pulsar series, now that the new software platform is out.

lance

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> On 03-11-26 07.22,  "Jesse Ray Lucas"  wrote:
>
> > You will get the best latency on a PC using a PCI audio interface.  I'd
> > recommend the Aardvark Direct Pro, or Q10, which offer zero latency
input
> > monitoring.
>
> Good point on PCI! On Mac there is firewire 800 as well, almost as fast as
> PCI. But please note that this "zero latency input monitoring" has nothing
> to do with latency. It's just bypassing the machine and sending the input
> signal directly to the output for monitoring.
>
> Latency is the time the machine needs to digitize and process an input
> signal.
>
> -- 
> Best wishes
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.looproom.com
>

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> Hasn't Windows XP significantly improved the operational latency over Win98,
>  Andy?

I'd hope so :-)
(but wouldn't bet on it)

I kind of thought that info was pointing towards
the cheap ("out of date") laptop pc running linux.

I new the info was out of date there, as proved by the win98
reference, but the point about the MIDI input having
to run through the operating system is one worth making.
Very relevant to the soft looper using MIDI control.

I also had a bit of a laugh that just about the slowest thing
mentioned was a piece of hardware by Yamaha.

andy butler   

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> 1) WHAT ARE THE FEATURES THAT YOU THAT YOU CONSIDER INDISPENSABLE IN
THE
> LOOPER THAT YOU USE.?

I use an EDP. Among the many features provided, the ones that have
become so engrained that going without would be painful are:

Adjustable Feedback
Loop Multiply
Multiple Loops
MIDI sync

One other thing that I was very surprised to find many lower
cost loopers don't do ... go immediately from the first record
into overdub without having to wait for a cycle.

> 2) WHAT FEATURES MAKE THE LOOPER YOU USE STAND OUT FROM OTHER LOOPERS
IN
> THE FIELD?

I'm not familiar enough with the other high end products to say.

Glenn

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1)   WHAT ARE THE FEATURES THAT YOU THAT YOU CONSIDER INDISPENSABLE IN THE
LOOPER THAT YOU USE.?

(As in the DL4): The 'one shot' capability (coupled with the ability to go 
seamlessly from looped to one-shot). In my experience, having the ability to 
tell the loop in advance to stop as soon as it reaches the end is 
indispensible in live multi-loop song-structured stuff. Saves you from 
having to do simultaneous button-pressing (if even humanly possible) at 
section boundaries.

2)  WHAT FEATURES MAKE THE LOOPER YOU USE STAND OUT FROM OTHER LOOPERS IN
THE FIELD?

(Repeater): Flexible multi-tracking. Malleable time/pitch (others have 
mentioned)

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>Would that be the one in Cumbria (or whatever they're calling it these 
>days)? My dad did some of his growing up near there seventy-odd years ago. 
>Actually, he was in Cotehill now that I think of it, but not far away. 'Tis 
>indeed lovely country. My late wife said it was like living in a Costable 
>painting. Glad to hear there's some loopy activity there.

Hehe Im playing in a Cotehill village pub tonight....should be fun. have 
actually developed a progressive looped folk song as a bail-out plan if the 
locals get a bit rowdy.
  As for the painting.......im here doing fine-art believe me, i know that 
feeling!!!!

all the best
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Since the subject of Reed's Metal Machine Music has come up, and since this is a list about looping, folks may want to check out: http://www.cellomachine.com/.

It's all about cellist Ulrich Maiss' rendering of MMM. I saw his performance here in Toronto, and it was most impressive. Loud, too. I really needed the earplugs that were being given out, but then I was in the second row.

He not only gave a fairly close rendering of the sounds, but he also broke it up into four "movements" as one would hear if listening to the original LP. I don't recall hearing the CD version, so can't say if that is the same.

Oh, and there's lots of looping too. I remember he had a Line-6, but can't be sure of the other pedals. 


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     I have visited the Elogoxa site as mentioned here a week or two ago and have a specific
question.  All of these free downloads on their site are for VSTi instruments.  What do I need as
a host program to be able to use them?  I figure that since VSTi is a Steinberg invention, that
some sort of Steinberg software would do it.  Are there other options as well?

     TIA,

         Stephen

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Chainer is one http://www.xlutop.com/html/chainer.html Windows only

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     I have visited the Elogoxa site as mentioned here a week or two ago and
have a specific question.  All of these free downloads on their site are for
VSTi instruments.  What do I need as a host program to be able to use them?
I figure that since VSTi is a Steinberg invention, that some sort of
Steinberg software would do it.  Are there other options as well?

     TIA,

         Stephen

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FL Studio 4. try it. you'll like it.
http://www.flstudio.com/
absolutely awesome.

lance

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>
>      I have visited the Elogoxa site as mentioned here a week or two ago
and have a specific
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> a host program to be able to use them?  I figure that since VSTi is a
Steinberg invention, that
> some sort of Steinberg software would do it.  Are there other options as
well?
>
>      TIA,
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> > 1)   WHAT ARE THE FEATURES THAT YOU THAT YOU
> CONSIDER INDISPENSABLE IN THE
> > LOOPER THAT YOU USE.?
There are obviously a lot of them but the one i
couldnīt live without is the loop Multiply

> > > 2)  WHAT FEATURES MAKE THE LOOPER YOU USE STAND
> OUT FROM OTHER LOOPERS IN
> > THE FIELD?

I ve tried many of them but the volume option on the
boomerang was a very nice and simple feature,to be
able to fade the loops in and out as you please is a
killer thing!


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I wish mute could behave differently depending on whether you were 
muting or unmuting.  For example, muting at the end of a cycle, 
unmuting immediately.

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----->  Doable with MIDI on the EDP--
Here's a request 8^)
I want to replace using multiply--in other words, hear the audio of a loop
while using multiply to create a new loop--without changing the "window"
I had some success using 0% feedback and ending with 100% feedback--is that
my best option?
Gary


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I wish mute could behave differently depending on whether you were
muting or unmuting.  For example, muting at the end of a cycle,
unmuting immediately.

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Undo after LoopCopy and/or UndoMultiply I'm sure that would consume some
memory ;)

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----->  Doable with MIDI on the EDP--
Here's a request 8^)
I want to replace using multiply--in other words, hear the audio of a loop
while using multiply to create a new loop--without changing the "window" I
had some success using 0% feedback and ending with 100% feedback--is that my
best option? Gary


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I wish mute could behave differently depending on whether you were muting or
unmuting.  For example, muting at the end of a cycle, unmuting immediately.

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> > > 1)   WHAT ARE THE FEATURES THAT YOU THAT YOU
> > CONSIDER INDISPENSABLE IN THE
> > > LOOPER THAT YOU USE.?
Sorry i forgot the most important one:
Multiple UNDO!!!!!

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1)   WHAT ARE THE FEATURES THAT YOU THAT YOU CONSIDER INDISPENSABLE IN THE
LOOPER THAT YOU USE.?
I need rock solid synchronization--love that Brother Sync in the EDPS
2)  WHAT FEATURES MAKE THE LOOPER YOU USE STAND OUT FROM OTHER LOOPERS IN
THE FIELD?
EDP Loop IV has so many exceptional features, but a few that work for me are
multiple undo, windowing (undo works after changin loop size!  Pretty much
Andre's whole thing--or it used to be), overdub right out of record,
marvelous MIDI implementation, visual display of feedback and volume
settings when they're changed by MIDI, lots of sample time, real good sound
quality, and flexible footswitch implementation (overdub, the EFC foot pedal
and a selectable volume pedal/CC input.
I don't think the EDP is overpriced at all--heck, I might buy another one!
Gary


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I highly reccomend Audiomulch
  try audiomulch.com
Have fun!

Gareth

>
>      I have visited the Elogoxa site as mentioned here a week or two ago
and have a specific
> question.  All of these free downloads on their site are for VSTi
instruments.  What do I need as
> a host program to be able to use them?  I figure that since VSTi is a
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>
>      TIA,
>
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> I highly reccomend Audiomulch
>   try audiomulch.com
> Gareth

agreed, Audiomulch is awesome. 

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  If I'm understanding you correctly, all you have to do is to use the sub
function of insert.  

Smiles,

Cara

11/27/03 -0800, you wrote:
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>Here's a request 8^)
>I want to replace using multiply--in other words, hear the audio of a loop
>while using multiply to create a new loop--without changing the "window"
>I had some success using 0% feedback and ending with 100% feedback--is that
>my best option?
>Gary
>
>
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>
>
>I wish mute could behave differently depending on whether you were
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>unmuting immediately.
>
>TravisH
>
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Bias makes a really cool standalone app (or you can use it like a VST
instrument) called
V-BOX

It is just like a dream stomp box that allow you to use VST plugins in
series or parallel when I don't feel like
opening up Fruity Loops or Cubase.

I frequently use it when I am just working on sound design.    It is also
(how refined of them) available on
both Mac and Win.

I highly recommend it.

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On Wednesday, November 26, 2003, at 12:59  AM, loop.pool wrote:
> 1)   WHAT ARE THE FEATURES THAT YOU THAT YOU CONSIDER INDISPENSABLE IN 
> THE
> LOOPER THAT YOU USE.?

Lexicon PCM-80: Stereo. Clean. Balanced or Digital I/O. 
precision-defineable long loop lengths. quality construction. 
flourescent display. mod routings. it is a very nice delay with mod 
routings ... yes. through mod routings you can "multiply" the loop in a 
way ... via the master loop percentage control.

Line6 Echo Pro: cheap. clean. no other indespensible features.

> 2)  WHAT FEATURES MAKE THE LOOPER YOU USE STAND OUT FROM OTHER LOOPERS 
> IN
> THE FIELD?

PCM-80: Stereo. Clean. Balanced or Digital I/O.

Echo Pro: Cheap. Clean. Balanced I/O.

i feel that the indespensible features of both my loopers are also what 
differentiates them from other loopers in the field. just my tuppence.
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I must add another odd feature which nothing else has:

PCM-80: the ability to "stutter" the loop via modulation of the master 
delay percentage, and have that written back into the loop. it's 
totally glitchcore.

Echo Pro: MIDI Note control of looper functions. this combined with the 
Numerology sequencer satisfies me more in my particular situation than 
the Repeater did.
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Is it possible to recall mixer presets (snapshot) via MIDI on the MOTU
828mkII? My local dealer said no, but I trust the list more ;-)
I am looking for a mixer that allows recalling presets via MIDI like the SPM
8:2.

Bernhard

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At 03:27 PM 11/27/2003, Travis wrote:
>I wish mute could behave differently depending on whether you were muting 
>or unmuting.  For example, muting at the end of a cycle, unmuting immediately.

try the retrigger command, either by midi or Mute->Undo with the 
frontpanel/footpedal. When you have quantize on, muting is quantized, 
unmuting is quantized, and retrigger is not quantized (happens 
immediately.) This gives you different options. If you use midi more 
extensively, you can also do things like having a preset for quantize on 
and one for off, and combine that with the midi commands to construct a 
custom command how you want.

>The Official Travis Hartnett Website:
>http://www.travishartnett.com

I just listened to all the tracks you have on your website. Very nice! 
Excellent mood for this particular evening.

kim


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Hi

I have a difficulties using the feedback pedal on the EDP:
When I have established a loop that I want to continuously play but reduce
its general volume, I use the pedal. But I find it hard to control the pedal
precisely, because a) I only hear in the next loop by what amount I have
actually reduced the volume and b) I must release the pedal very precisely
at the loop's length in order to avoid sudden volume jumps.
I have uploaded a 13 second/200KB mp3-snippet to demonstrate the effect:
http://nosuch.biz/soundz/lp1.mp3
Shortly after 05:00 seconds you will hear a sudden rise in volume.

Thank you
Bernhard

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This used to bother me a bit as well. A couple of suggestions
though. How big is your pedal. I found that with, for example,
a big Ernie Ball volume pedal, I seem to get a little more
control (more smooth like a big luxury car). Second, are you
using Loop IV? In Loop IV, a display was added that appears
when you begin adjusting the feedback either with the knob or
with a pedal. The visual feedback helped a lot and giving me
a ton more control of the feedback level via a pedal.

Glenn

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bernhard Wagner [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] 
> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:28 AM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: EDP Feedback Ctrl
> 
> Hi
> 
> I have a difficulties using the feedback pedal on the EDP:
> When I have established a loop that I want to continuously play but
reduce
> its general volume, I use the pedal. But I find it hard to control the
pedal
> precisely, because a) I only hear in the next loop by what amount I
have
> actually reduced the volume and b) I must release the pedal very
precisely
> at the loop's length in order to avoid sudden volume jumps.
> I have uploaded a 13 second/200KB mp3-snippet to demonstrate the
effect:
> http://nosuch.biz/soundz/lp1.mp3
> Shortly after 05:00 seconds you will hear a sudden rise in volume.
> 
> Thank you
> Bernhard

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Also in LoopIV there is the InterfaceMode called ReplaceMode. The pedal 
controls both feedback and loop output volume simultaneously. The result is 
you hear the level reduction for feedback immediately instead of on the 
next loop pass. try it.
kim

At 07:01 AM 11/30/2003, Glenn Poorman wrote:
>  Second, are you
>using Loop IV? In Loop IV, a display was added that appears
>when you begin adjusting the feedback either with the knob or
>with a pedal. The visual feedback helped a lot and giving me
>a ton more control of the feedback level via a pedal.

> > From: Bernhard Wagner [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz]
> > I have a difficulties using the feedback pedal on the EDP:
> > When I have established a loop that I want to continuously play but reduce
> > its general volume, I use the pedal. But I find it hard to control the 
> pedal
> > precisely, because a) I only hear in the next loop by what amount I have
> > actually reduced the volume and b) I must release the pedal very precisely
> > at the loop's length in order to avoid sudden volume jumps.



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Visual Sound used to make a volume pedal that had LEDs on the side that 
gave a visual reference point for the volume setting.  It's out of 
production now, but they pop up on eBay fairly regularly for $100-150.  
It's also a great volume pedal.

TravisH


On Sunday, November 30, 2003, at 10:43 AM, 
Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote:

> Subject: EDP Feedback Ctrl
>
>
> Hi
>
> I have a difficulties using the feedback pedal on the EDP:
> When I have established a loop that I want to continuously play but 
> reduce
> its general volume, I use the pedal. But I find it hard to control the 
> pedal
> precisely, because a) I only hear in the next loop by what amount I 
> have
> actually reduced the volume and b) I must release the pedal very 
> precisely
> at the loop's length in order to avoid sudden volume jumps.
> I have uploaded a 13 second/200KB mp3-snippet to demonstrate the 
> effect:
> http://nosuch.biz/soundz/lp1.mp3
> Shortly after 05:00 seconds you will hear a sudden rise in volume.
>
> Thank you
> Bernhard
>

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I have TC Gmajor that has decided to die suddenly.  I haven't used it in a 
while and yesterday i hooked it up in front of a little practice amp.  The 
weather was kinda cold for a change (35 F).  I turned the Gmajor on and only 
the backlight in the LED came on.  The toggle switch lights didn't come on.  
Eventually the paramaters and patches showed up and the unit was audible.  
Fifteen minutes later there is no sound and the LED is stuck on one 
patch/screen w/no sound and the toggle lights are not lighting up.  Turned 
it on today and nothing but the Green and Orange backlight comes on no sound 
nothing... I got this earlier this year and the web site doesn't have 
anything except a question and answer support.  Anyone know what i am 
describing.

thanks
msw

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     Thanks very much for all the informative help on VSTi hosts.  So far I've compiled the
following products from you guys:

     Audiomulch.com
     Xlutop.com
     FLstudio.com

     In researching them, I find that they all do so much more than just VSTi hosting.  As I'm
just looking for a way to try out these free VST instruments from Elogoxa, I would like to find a
simple and inexpensive way to see if these Elogoxa instruments are worthy of further exploration. 
I found that the ProTools demo will do this for me (VSTi hosting)... if I have Windows 98 or ME. 
Otherwise I'm SOL with my current Win2000 and XP options.  I hate purchasing software just to find
out that it doesn't do things that I'm interested in.

     Any further suggestions?

     Muchas gracias,

         Stephen









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On 03-11-30 22.29,  "S V G"  wrote:

> 
>    Thanks very much for all the informative help on VSTi hosts.  So far I've
> compiled the
> following products from you guys:
> 
>    Audiomulch.com
>    Xlutop.com
>    FLstudio.com
> 
>    In researching them, I find that they all do so much more than just VSTi
> hosting.  As I'm
> just looking for a way to try out these free VST instruments from Elogoxa, I
> would like to find a
> simple and inexpensive way to see if these Elogoxa instruments are worthy of
> further exploration.
> I found that the ProTools demo will do this for me (VSTi hosting)... if I have
> Windows 98 or ME.
> Otherwise I'm SOL with my current Win2000 and XP options.  I hate purchasing
> software just to find
> out that it doesn't do things that I'm interested in.
> 
>    Any further suggestions?


Yes. Rick Walker just posted his testimony on V-box.
http://www.bias-inc.com/products/vbox/

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>      Thanks very much for all the informative help on VSTi hosts.  So far
I've compiled the
> following products from you guys:
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>      Audiomulch.com
>      Xlutop.com
>      FLstudio.com
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>      In researching them, I find that they all do so much more than just
VSTi hosting.  As I'm
> just looking for a way to try out these free VST instruments from Elogoxa,
I would like to find a
> simple and inexpensive way to see if these Elogoxa instruments are worthy
of further exploration.
> I found that the ProTools demo will do this for me (VSTi hosting)... if I
have Windows 98 or ME.
> Otherwise I'm SOL with my current Win2000 and XP options.  I hate
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> out that it doesn't do things that I'm interested in.
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>      Any further suggestions?
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>      Muchas gracias,
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>          Stephen
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You cn try out audiomulch without buying it.

Gareth

>      Thanks very much for all the informative help on VSTi hosts.  So far
I've compiled the
> following products from you guys:
>
>      Audiomulch.com
>      Xlutop.com
>      FLstudio.com
>
>      In researching them, I find that they all do so much more than just
VSTi hosting.  As I'm
> just looking for a way to try out these free VST instruments from Elogoxa,
I would like to find a
> simple and inexpensive way to see if these Elogoxa instruments are worthy
of further exploration.
> I found that the ProTools demo will do this for me (VSTi hosting)... if I
have Windows 98 or ME.
> Otherwise I'm SOL with my current Win2000 and XP options.  I hate
purchasing software just to find
> out that it doesn't do things that I'm interested in.
>
>      Any further suggestions?
>
>      Muchas gracias,
>
>          Stephen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> __________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now
> http://companion.yahoo.com/
>
>


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>I want to replace using multiply--in other words, hear the audio of a loop
>while using multiply to create a new loop--without changing the "window"
>I had some success using 0% feedback and ending with 100% 
>feedback--is that my best option?
>Gary
>
thats it, Gary!
I could use such a function...
but I have my left foot on FB all the time :-)

>Undo after LoopCopy and/or UndoMultiply I'm sure that would consume some
>memory ;)

I dont see how that would work?

>   If I'm understanding you correctly, all you have to do is to use the sub
>function of insert.

no, he wants to resize the loop (multiply) at the same time


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Hi,
I've had a line dl4 for abut a year, and been quite happy with it so
far...since about two weeks ago, I plugged a mic in the second input along
with my guitar still in the first. That shouldn't cause any problem
though...???
Basically what happens is that when I record a loop, it now plays very very
low (almost silent) and the problem is fixed if I plugin something in the
second input when recording!!! Did any one went through something like that?
(tried resetting and enabling/disabling bypass, but didn't make any change).
Many thanks

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Xavier WATKINS wrote:

> Hi,
> I've had a line dl4 for abut a year, and been quite happy with it so
> far...since about two weeks ago, I plugged a mic in the second input along
> with my guitar still in the first. That shouldn't cause any problem
> though...???
> Basically what happens is that when I record a loop, it now plays very very
> low (almost silent) and the problem is fixed if I plugin something in the
> second input when recording!!! Did any one went through something like that?
> (tried resetting and enabling/disabling bypass, but didn't make any change).
> Many thanks

If you are plugging the mic directly into the DL-4 you probably wouldn't get
much volume at all.  You would need some kind of a pre-amp between your mic and
the DL-4, if I'm understanding you correctly.

John
www.johnmazzarella.com


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>> Hi,
>> I've had a line dl4 for abut a year, and been quite happy with it so
>> far...since about two weeks ago, I plugged a mic in the second input
>> along with my guitar still in the first. That shouldn't cause any
>> problem though...???
>> Basically what happens is that when I record a loop, it now plays
>> very very low (almost silent) and the problem is fixed if I plugin
>> something in the second input when recording!!! Did any one went
>> through something like that? (tried resetting and enabling/disabling
>> bypass, but didn't make any change). Many thanks
>
> If you are plugging the mic directly into the DL-4 you probably
> wouldn't get much volume at all.  You would need some kind of a
> pre-amp between your mic and the DL-4, if I'm understanding you
> correctly.
>
> John

Hi John, I'm sorry I've been confusing. The mic thing was just the starting
point of not getting any sound through my guitar. But meanwhile, magic, I've
found the answer. I read somewhere that the dl4 keeps in memory the last
settings before it's switched of. So I tried that (putting the mix volume up
and unplugging it) and it didn't work. Then I said "wait a minute", there
was one jack in each input when I last switched it off so I tried it like
that. And resetted it like that by the way, so I dn't know what did it but
now it's working again!!!!!
Thanks
Xavier

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I've got a brand new Boss DS-1/AnalogMan Pro Mod pedal for sale. $100 
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Thanks,

Jeff

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Subject: Gig Spam [Seattle]: Travis Hartnett at Mr. Spot's Chai House, Tues. Dec. 2
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I'll be doing some acoustic guitar looping this Tuesday at Mr. Spot's 
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