From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 00:06:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8144T023192; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 00:04:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 00:04:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Mike Barrs" To: Subject: RE: Looping with other musicians, new tools=new results Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 21:04:19 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Loop-Detect: 1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h8144SW23158 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: ernesto schnack [mailto:schnack@mailbolt.com] > > On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 11:25:05 -0700, Travis wrote: > > That's one school of thought. The other school of thought (that > > the drummer has the primary [not sole] responsibility of keeping > > time for the rest of the band) has many more adherents, at least > > in North America. > > hmm, I don't know if I agree entirely. It seems to me it's not so > much about a "school of thought" as much as getting to a certain > level where you realize you're not supposed to depend on the drummer > to keep time. Reminds me of Meshuggah whose guitarist has such a > solid sense of time that the drummer is the one following HIM. In my experience, that's pretty rare. Most people I've played with depend on drummers for tempo, at least you do when you when you have a good one. In one band I was in, we had a problem because the drummer (and bass player) would get excited and speed up during guitar solos. We would end every song twice as fast as we started. That band never understood that increasing energy and dynamics isn't the same thing as increasing tempo. And there was NOTHING I could do, as a guitar player, to hold them back. I've played in other bands where the rhythm section could still float a little, according to what the song needed, but where it was much harder to budge them out of the groove. That kind of band is a joy to play in. One more comment about drummers... They play an instrument that is designed to be a clearly heard, as a rhythm pulse. There's no mistaking the kick, snare, and hi-hat in a band mix. It's easy for other players to lock onto. And the drummer gets to think ONLY about the tempo pulse... not about what key change is coming up, or or what scale they should be playing over this chord. If the band metronome suddenly becomes the guitar player or keyboard player (via looping), then everyone might suddenly be trying to extract timing information from a more diffuse, hard to recognize sound. I know I've played loops with my electric guitar and FX processing where I get into the "swirly zone", and it's hard to figure out just where the downbeat is. That's never a problem when you're working with a drummer, or percussionist. They never have timing cues buried under a wash of other sounds. > I find this thread very interesting because I'll be looping with > a drummer > soon, and I intend to try with both a click and without to see what > happens. It's his first time doing something like that, but he's > interested in trying it. I shall report my findings. I'd be very interested to hear how that turns out! Mike Barrs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 05:19:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h819I2v32223; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 05:18:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 05:18:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Fear of "canned" loops Message-ID: <1062407137.3f530be186680@webmail.siba.fi> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 12:05:37 +0300 (EEST) From: tkorhone@siba.fi References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 80.221.48.62 Sender: www-data Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lainaus todd reynolds : > ======================= > > My buddy Jessie Stiles and I have been working together for awhile now > making tracks with my looping rig feeding his Laptop Max/MSP patch > which > also incorporates some aiff files, but which mostly reloops, cuts, and > morphs my loops and live sound into drum and bass sounds... > Great music, looking forward to your record! all the best Topi Korhonen (newbie looper from Finland) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 09:59:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h81DtMX03363; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 09:55:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 09:55:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-23.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1062424508!1828454 X-StarScan-Version: 5.0.7; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB4D2@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: "canned" loops Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 14:51:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C37090.266EC120" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C37090.266EC120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" besides the spaghetti sort, my band has so far used two distinct sorts of pre-recorded audio and two distinct sorts of pre-recorded midi pattern. in the case of the audio loops, I used to put them in the sampler (which we don't use live any more) but that tied us to a particular tempo. the repeater is ideal for this as there are tracks left over for on-the-night "overdubs" (obviously we don't write over the pre-record tracks) and it will run the loop at the wrong tempo if needs be. we started doing this because there's only three of us and our guitarist wanted to do stuff with more guitar parts than he and his jam-thing could manage. the longest such was an entire one-minute guitar piece that repeats seven times during the song, while he widdley-widdleys over it. people did mention this at the last gig- the pre-recorded aspect- and so now we are toying with the idea of capturing the loop at the start of the song instead of it already being there. risky.... mostly the loops are just atmospheric "beds" lifted from album tracks, the idea being to establish the feel of a piece as previously heard on one of our albums, by way of a reference point for our audience. then it doesn't matter so much if the other instruments don't exactly match the version the audience might know from the cd, and the tempo becomes more or less irrelevent. the doepfer maq 16/3 is great for short midi loops (monophonic, though) because they can be edited and returned to their saved form on-the-fly. my schaltwerk's out-of-action at the moment, but it offers a little more in this area, what with being eight tracks and all. lots of people swear by the alesis mmt8 for midi loop work on stage, but it doesn't really do anything interesting in terms of being able to vary the content of the playback. you tend to have to follow it rigidly if it's playing a song, or lean over it poking buttons to keep it interesting if it's in pattern playback. this is fine if you're in "orbital" and no-one's expecting a solo any time soon.... so I've dropped it from our rig. doing stuff by the seat of one's pants is a lot more fun for band and audience. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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besides the spaghetti sort, my band has so far used two d= istinct sorts of pre-recorded audio and two distinct sorts of pre-recorded = midi pattern.

in the case of the audio loops, I used to put them in the= sampler (which we don't use live any more) but that tied us to a particula= r tempo. the repeater is ideal for this as there are tracks left over for o= n-the-night "overdubs" (obviously we don't write over the pre-rec= ord tracks) and it will run the loop at the wrong tempo if needs be. we sta= rted doing this because there's only three of us and our guitarist wanted t= o do stuff with more guitar parts than he and his jam-thing could manage.

the longest such was an entire one-minute guitar piece th= at repeats seven times during the song, while he widdley-widdleys over it. = people did mention this at the last gig- the pre-recorded aspect- and so no= w we are toying with the idea of capturing the loop at the start of the son= g instead of it already being there. risky....

mostly the loops are just atmospheric "beds" li= fted from album tracks, the idea being to establish the feel of a piece as = previously heard on one of our albums, by way of a reference point for our = audience. then it doesn't matter so much if the other instruments don't exa= ctly match the version the audience might know from the cd, and the tempo b= ecomes more or less irrelevent.


the doepfer maq 16/3 is great for short midi loops (monop= honic, though) because they can be edited and returned to their saved form = on-the-fly. my schaltwerk's out-of-action at the moment, but it offers a li= ttle more in this area, what with being eight tracks and all.

lots of people swear by the alesis mmt8 for midi loop wor= k on stage, but it doesn't really do anything interesting in terms of being= able to vary the content of the playback. you tend to have to follow it ri= gidly if it's playing a song, or lean over it poking buttons to keep it int= eresting if it's in pattern playback. this is fine if you're in "orbit= al" and no-one's expecting a solo any time soon.... so I've dropped it= from our rig. doing stuff by the seat of one's pants is a lot more fun for= band and audience.

duncan/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C37090.266EC120-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 10:28:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h81EQWE08419; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 10:26:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 10:26:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Summary of Violin Loopers Question Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 10:26:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C37095.0891B270" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C37095.0891B270 Content-Type: text/plain Figured I would let you know what people sent me in a summary form (good for the archives): Stuart Wyatt http://www.solostring.com Jean-Luc Ponty http://www.ponty.com/ "A pioneer and undisputed master of violin in the arena of jazz and rock. He is widely regarded as an innovator who has applied his unique visionary spin that has expanded the vocabulary of modern music. " Todd Reynolds http://www.toddreynolds.com/music.html "Co-founder of Ethel, violinist and assistant conductor for Steve Reich and Musicians and The Walter Thompson Orchestra. He was a student of the late Jascha Heifetz, a student at the Eastman School of Music, former Principal Second Violin of the Rochester Philharmonic, and holds a Master's degree from SUNY at Stony Brook." Ed Allyne Johnson Martha Mooke - Viola http://www.marthamooke.com/Listening%20Room.htm "Electric five string viola. She has developed a unique musical voice by synthesizing her classical music training with extended techniques, digital effects processing and improvisation, while retaining the depth and soul of the instrument. She has received awards from ASCAP, Meet the Composer and Arts International among others." Garmarna http://www.garmarna.com/ Hedningarna http://www.cabal.se/silence/nyhedning/ Bruce Cockburn Hugh Marsh, the violinist in question is VITAL listening for any electric violinist, looping or no looping. He's fantastic - check out any of Bruce's 80s albums for lots of Hugh's work. (in fact, just check out any of Bruce's albums because they are amazing, forget about instrumentation... :o) Zoe Keating - Cello http://www.zoekeating.com/ Gideon Freudmann - Cello http://www.cellobop.com Enjoy! Don M ------_=_NextPart_001_01C37095.0891B270 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Summary of Violin Loopers Question

Figured I would let you know what people sent me in a = summary form (good for the archives):

Stuart Wyatt
http://www.solostring.com

Jean-Luc Ponty
http://www.ponty.com/
"A pioneer and undisputed master of violin in = the arena of jazz and rock. He is widely regarded as an innovator who = has applied his unique visionary spin that has expanded the vocabulary = of modern music. "

Todd Reynolds
http://www.toddreynolds.com/music.html
"Co-founder of Ethel, violinist and assistant = conductor for Steve Reich and Musicians and The Walter Thompson = Orchestra. He was a student of the late Jascha Heifetz, a student at = the Eastman School of Music, former Principal Second Violin of the = Rochester Philharmonic, and holds a Master's degree from SUNY at Stony = Brook."

Ed Allyne Johnson

Martha Mooke - Viola
http://www.marthamooke.com/Listening%20Room.htm
"Electric five string viola. She has developed = a unique musical voice by synthesizing her classical music training = with extended techniques, digital effects processing and improvisation, = while retaining the depth and soul of the instrument. She has received = awards from ASCAP, Meet the Composer and Arts International among = others."

Garmarna
http://www.garmarna.com/


Hedningarna
http://www.cabal.se/silence/nyhedning/

Bruce Cockburn
Hugh Marsh, the violinist in question is VITAL = listening for any electric violinist, looping or no looping. He's = fantastic - check out any of Bruce's 80s albums for lots of Hugh's = work. (in fact, just check out any of Bruce's albums because they are = amazing, forget about instrumentation... :o)

Zoe Keating - Cello
http://www.zoekeating.com/

Gideon Freudmann - Cello
http://www.cellobop.com

Enjoy!

Don M

------_=_NextPart_001_01C37095.0891B270-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 10:34:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h81EWnq09725; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 10:32:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 10:32:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 10:32:46 -0400 Subject: Re: Summary of Violin Loopers Question From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3145257167_10962768" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3145257167_10962768 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Okay you all, if you REALLY want ALL the fiddle info, follow this link. I=B9= m sorry, I should have offered this to you a few days ago, my head wasn=B9t focused... This site is a pretty complete resource, though I don=B9t think i=B9m listed... (my own fault.) Best, Todd http://www.lightbubble.com/bowed/ On 9/1/03 10:26 AM, "Don Makoviney" wrote: > Figured I would let you know what people sent me in a summary form (good = for > the archives):=20 >=20 > Stuart Wyatt=20 > http://www.solostring.com >=20 > Jean-Luc Ponty=20 > http://www.ponty.com/ > "A pioneer and undisputed master of violin in the arena of jazz and rock.= He > is widely regarded as an innovator who has applied his unique visionary s= pin > that has expanded the vocabulary of modern music. " >=20 > Todd Reynolds=20 > http://www.toddreynolds.com/music.html > "Co-founder of Ethel, violinist and assistant conductor for Steve Reich a= nd > Musicians and The Walter Thompson Orchestra. He was a student of the late > Jascha Heifetz, a student at the Eastman School of Music, former Principa= l > Second Violin of the Rochester Philharmonic, and holds a Master's degree = from > SUNY at Stony Brook." >=20 > Ed Allyne Johnson >=20 > Martha Mooke - Viola > http://www.marthamooke.com/Listening%20Room.htm > "Electric five string viola. She has developed a unique musical voice by > synthesizing her classical music training with extended techniques, digit= al > effects processing and improvisation, while retaining the depth and soul = of > the instrument. She has received awards from ASCAP, Meet the Composer and= Arts > International among others." >=20 > Garmarna=20 > http://www.garmarna.com/ >=20 >=20 > Hedningarna=20 > http://www.cabal.se/silence/nyhedning/ >=20 > Bruce Cockburn=20 > Hugh Marsh, the violinist in question is VITAL listening for any electric > violinist, looping or no looping. He's fantastic - check out any of Bruce= 's > 80s albums for lots of Hugh's work. (in fact, just check out any of Bruce= 's > albums because they are amazing, forget about instrumentation... :o) >=20 > Zoe Keating - Cello > http://www.zoekeating.com/ >=20 > Gideon Freudmann - Cello > http://www.cellobop.com >=20 > Enjoy!=20 >=20 > Don M=20 >=20 --B_3145257167_10962768 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Summary of Violin Loopers Question Okay you all, if you REALLY want ALL the fiddle info, = follow this link.  I’m sorry, I should have offered this to you a= few days ago, my head wasn’t focused...

This site is a pretty complete resource, though I don’t think i’= ;m listed...  (my own fault.)

Best,

Todd



http://www.lightbubble.com/bowed/










On 9/1/03 10:26 AM, "Don Makoviney" <don.makoviney@asg.com>= wrote:

Figured I would let = you know what people sent me in a summary form (good for the archives):

Stuart Wyatt
http://www.solostring.com

Jean-Luc Ponty
http://www.ponty.com/
"A pioneer and undisputed master of violin in the arena= of jazz and rock. He is widely regarded as an innovator who has applied his= unique visionary spin that has expanded the vocabulary of modern music. &qu= ot;

Todd Reynolds
http://www.toddreynolds.com/music.html
"Co-founder of Ethel, violinist and assistant conductor= for Steve Reich and Musicians and The Walter Thompson Orchestra. He was a s= tudent of the late Jascha Heifetz, a student at the Eastman School of Music,= former Principal Second Violin of the Rochester Philharmonic, and holds a M= aster's degree from SUNY at Stony Brook."

Ed Allyne Johnson

Martha Mooke - Viola
http://www.marthamooke.com/Listening%20Room.htm
"Electric five string viola. She has developed a unique= musical voice by synthesizing her classical music training with extended te= chniques, digital effects processing and improvisation, while retaining the = depth and soul of the instrument. She has received awards from ASCAP, Meet t= he Composer and Arts International among others."

Garmarna
http://www.garmarna.com/


Hedningarna
http://www.cabal.se/silence/nyhedning/

Bruce Cockburn
Hugh Marsh, the violinist in question is VITAL listening for= any electric violinist, looping or no looping. He's fantastic - check out a= ny of Bruce's 80s albums for lots of Hugh's work. (in fact, just check out a= ny of Bruce's albums because they are amazing, forget about instrumentation.= .. :o)

Zoe Keating - Cello
http://www.zoekeating.com/

Gideon Freudmann - Cello
http://www.cellobop.com

Enjoy!

Don M


--B_3145257167_10962768-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 10:38:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h81EaWd10569; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 10:36:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 10:36:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Summary of Violin Loopers Question Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 10:36:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C37096.6E02D2F0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C37096.6E02D2F0 Content-Type: text/plain Yeah I saw that link before. I've been there. I was just asking for loopers is all though, as opposed to just electric fiddlers. I found plenty of those. . . .was just hoping this list was a good place to get right down to the loopers (yeah I'm lazy that way). Figured L-D was a good place. -DM -----Original Message----- From: todd reynolds [mailto:toddreynolds@rcn.com] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 10:33 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Summary of Violin Loopers Question Okay you all, if you REALLY want ALL the fiddle info, follow this link. I'm sorry, I should have offered this to you a few days ago, my head wasn't focused... This site is a pretty complete resource, though I don't think i'm listed... (my own fault.) Best, Todd http://www.lightbubble.com/bowed/ On 9/1/03 10:26 AM, "Don Makoviney" wrote: Figured I would let you know what people sent me in a summary form (good for the archives): Stuart Wyatt http://www.solostring.com Jean-Luc Ponty http://www.ponty.com/ "A pioneer and undisputed master of violin in the arena of jazz and rock. He is widely regarded as an innovator who has applied his unique visionary spin that has expanded the vocabulary of modern music. " Todd Reynolds http://www.toddreynolds.com/music.html "Co-founder of Ethel, violinist and assistant conductor for Steve Reich and Musicians and The Walter Thompson Orchestra. He was a student of the late Jascha Heifetz, a student at the Eastman School of Music, former Principal Second Violin of the Rochester Philharmonic, and holds a Master's degree from SUNY at Stony Brook." Ed Allyne Johnson Martha Mooke - Viola http://www.marthamooke.com/Listening%20Room.htm "Electric five string viola. She has developed a unique musical voice by synthesizing her classical music training with extended techniques, digital effects processing and improvisation, while retaining the depth and soul of the instrument. She has received awards from ASCAP, Meet the Composer and Arts International among others." Garmarna http://www.garmarna.com/ Hedningarna http://www.cabal.se/silence/nyhedning/ Bruce Cockburn Hugh Marsh, the violinist in question is VITAL listening for any electric violinist, looping or no looping. He's fantastic - check out any of Bruce's 80s albums for lots of Hugh's work. (in fact, just check out any of Bruce's albums because they are amazing, forget about instrumentation... :o) Zoe Keating - Cello http://www.zoekeating.com/ Gideon Freudmann - Cello http://www.cellobop.com Enjoy! Don M ------_=_NextPart_001_01C37096.6E02D2F0 Content-Type: text/html Message
Yeah I saw that link before. I've been there. I was just asking for loopers is all though, as opposed to just electric fiddlers. I found plenty of those. . . .was just hoping this list was a good place to get right down to the loopers (yeah I'm lazy that way). Figured L-D was a good place.
 
-DM
-----Original Message-----
From: todd reynolds [mailto:toddreynolds@rcn.com]
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 10:33 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Summary of Violin Loopers Question

Okay you all, if you REALLY want ALL the fiddle info, follow this link.  I'm sorry, I should have offered this to you a few days ago, my head wasn't focused...

This site is a pretty complete resource, though I don't think i'm listed...  (my own fault.)

Best,

Todd



http://www.lightbubble.com/bowed/










On 9/1/03 10:26 AM, "Don Makoviney" <don.makoviney@asg.com> wrote:
Figured I would let you know what people sent me in a summary form (good for the archives):

Stuart Wyatt
http://www.solostring.com

Jean-Luc Ponty
http://www.ponty.com/
"A pioneer and undisputed master of violin in the arena of jazz and rock. He is widely regarded as an innovator who has applied his unique visionary spin that has expanded the vocabulary of modern music. "

Todd Reynolds
http://www.toddreynolds.com/music.html
"Co-founder of Ethel, violinist and assistant conductor for Steve Reich and Musicians and The Walter Thompson Orchestra. He was a student of the late Jascha Heifetz, a student at the Eastman School of Music, former Principal Second Violin of the Rochester Philharmonic, and holds a Master's degree from SUNY at Stony Brook."

Ed Allyne Johnson

Martha Mooke - Viola
http://www.marthamooke.com/Listening%20Room.htm
"Electric five string viola. She has developed a unique musical voice by synthesizing her classical music training with extended techniques, digital effects processing and improvisation, while retaining the depth and soul of the instrument. She has received awards from ASCAP, Meet the Composer and Arts International among others."

Garmarna
http://www.garmarna.com/


Hedningarna
http://www.cabal.se/silence/nyhedning/

Bruce Cockburn
Hugh Marsh, the violinist in question is VITAL listening for any electric violinist, looping or no looping. He's fantastic - check out any of Bruce's 80s albums for lots of Hugh's work. (in fact, just check out any of Bruce's albums because they are amazing, forget about instrumentation... :o)

Zoe Keating - Cello
http://www.zoekeating.com/

Gideon Freudmann - Cello
http://www.cellobop.com

Enjoy!

Don M


------_=_NextPart_001_01C37096.6E02D2F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 10:39:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h81Ebvf10961; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 10:37:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 10:37:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.80.72 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Summary of Violin Loopers Question Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 10:37:02 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c37096$820dbe90$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h81EbuW10932 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Another place for the Violinist to hang is http://www.fiddleforum.com/fiddleforum -----Original Message----- From: todd reynolds [mailto:toddreynolds@rcn.com] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 10:33 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Summary of Violin Loopers Question Okay you all, if you REALLY want ALL the fiddle info, follow this link. I'm sorry, I should have offered this to you a few days ago, my head wasn't focused... This site is a pretty complete resource, though I don't think i'm listed... (my own fault.) Best, Todd http://www.lightbubble.com/bowed/ On 9/1/03 10:26 AM, "Don Makoviney" wrote: Figured I would let you know what people sent me in a summary form (good for the archives): Stuart Wyatt http://www.solostring.com Jean-Luc Ponty http://www.ponty.com/ "A pioneer and undisputed master of violin in the arena of jazz and rock. He is widely regarded as an innovator who has applied his unique visionary spin that has expanded the vocabulary of modern music. " Todd Reynolds http://www.toddreynolds.com/music.html "Co-founder of Ethel, violinist and assistant conductor for Steve Reich and Musicians and The Walter Thompson Orchestra. He was a student of the late Jascha Heifetz, a student at the Eastman School of Music, former Principal Second Violin of the Rochester Philharmonic, and holds a Master's degree from SUNY at Stony Brook." Ed Allyne Johnson Martha Mooke - Viola http://www.marthamooke.com/Listening%20Room.htm "Electric five string viola. She has developed a unique musical voice by synthesizing her classical music training with extended techniques, digital effects processing and improvisation, while retaining the depth and soul of the instrument. She has received awards from ASCAP, Meet the Composer and Arts International among others." Garmarna http://www.garmarna.com/ Hedningarna http://www.cabal.se/silence/nyhedning/ Bruce Cockburn Hugh Marsh, the violinist in question is VITAL listening for any electric violinist, looping or no looping. He's fantastic - check out any of Bruce's 80s albums for lots of Hugh's work. (in fact, just check out any of Bruce's albums because they are amazing, forget about instrumentation... :o) Zoe Keating - Cello http://www.zoekeating.com/ Gideon Freudmann - Cello http://www.cellobop.com Enjoy! Don M From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 10:44:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h81EgU511988; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 10:42:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 10:42:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: Summary of Violin Loopers Question Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 16:43:39 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01C370A8.31FB5F40" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C370A8.31FB5F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Summary of Violin Loopers QuestionSorry, couldn't help it http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/LoopersDelightReviews/kwiki.cgi?ViolinLoopers Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: Don Makoviney [mailto:don.makoviney@asg.com] Sent: Montag, 1. September 2003 16:26 To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: Summary of Violin Loopers Question Figured I would let you know what people sent me in a summary form (good for the archives): Stuart Wyatt http://www.solostring.com Jean-Luc Ponty http://www.ponty.com/ "A pioneer and undisputed master of violin in the arena of jazz and rock. He is widely regarded as an innovator who has applied his unique visionary spin that has expanded the vocabulary of modern music. " Todd Reynolds http://www.toddreynolds.com/music.html "Co-founder of Ethel, violinist and assistant conductor for Steve Reich and Musicians and The Walter Thompson Orchestra. He was a student of the late Jascha Heifetz, a student at the Eastman School of Music, former Principal Second Violin of the Rochester Philharmonic, and holds a Master's degree from SUNY at Stony Brook." Ed Allyne Johnson Martha Mooke - Viola http://www.marthamooke.com/Listening%20Room.htm "Electric five string viola. She has developed a unique musical voice by synthesizing her classical music training with extended techniques, digital effects processing and improvisation, while retaining the depth and soul of the instrument. She has received awards from ASCAP, Meet the Composer and Arts International among others." Garmarna http://www.garmarna.com/ Hedningarna http://www.cabal.se/silence/nyhedning/ Bruce Cockburn Hugh Marsh, the violinist in question is VITAL listening for any electric violinist, looping or no looping. He's fantastic - check out any of Bruce's 80s albums for lots of Hugh's work. (in fact, just check out any of Bruce's albums because they are amazing, forget about instrumentation... :o) Zoe Keating - Cello http://www.zoekeating.com/ Gideon Freudmann - Cello http://www.cellobop.com Enjoy! Don M ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C370A8.31FB5F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Summary of Violin Loopers Question
Sorry,=20 couldn't help it
http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/LoopersDelightReviews/kwiki.c= gi?ViolinLoopers
Bernhard
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Makoviney=20 [mailto:don.makoviney@asg.com]
Sent: Montag, 1. September = 2003=20 16:26
To: = 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'
Subject:=20 Summary of Violin Loopers Question

Figured I would let you know what people sent me in = a summary=20 form (good for the archives):

Stuart Wyatt
http://www.solostring.com

Jean-Luc Ponty
http://www.ponty.com/=20
"A pioneer and undisputed master of violin in the = arena of=20 jazz and rock. He is widely regarded as an innovator who has applied = his=20 unique visionary spin that has expanded the vocabulary of modern = music.=20 "

Todd Reynolds
http://www.toddreynolds.com/music.html =
"Co-founder of Ethel, violinist and assistant conductor for = Steve Reich=20 and Musicians and The Walter Thompson Orchestra. He was a student of = the late=20 Jascha Heifetz, a student at the Eastman School of Music, former = Principal=20 Second Violin of the Rochester Philharmonic, and holds a Master's = degree from=20 SUNY at Stony Brook."

Ed Allyne Johnson

Martha Mooke - Viola
http://www.marthamooke.com/Listening%20Room.htm=20
"Electric five string viola. She has developed a = unique=20 musical voice by synthesizing her classical music training with = extended=20 techniques, digital effects processing and improvisation, while = retaining the=20 depth and soul of the instrument. She has received awards from ASCAP, = Meet the=20 Composer and Arts International among others."

Garmarna
http://www.garmarna.com/


Hedningarna
http://www.cabal.se/silence/nyhedning/

Bruce Cockburn
Hugh Marsh, = the=20 violinist in question is VITAL listening for any electric violinist, = looping=20 or no looping. He's fantastic - check out any of Bruce's 80s albums = for lots=20 of Hugh's work. (in fact, just check out any of Bruce's albums because = they=20 are amazing, forget about instrumentation... :o)

Zoe Keating - Cello
http://www.zoekeating.com/

Gideon Freudmann - Cello
http://www.cellobop.com

Enjoy!

Don M

------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C370A8.31FB5F40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 10:47:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h81EkCi12727; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 10:46:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 10:46:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001e01c37097$cccf0dc0$2b02a8c0@chris1> From: "Chris Payne" To: References: <000f01c36f4a$0ed1cf40$0200a8c0@akadev.com> Subject: Re: Violin loopers? Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 10:46:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01C37076.45943AE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C37076.45943AE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageThanks for mentioning me Alan. Yes, I'm a violin looper now! At = the moment I'm a relative newbie at looping so keep watching = www.c2cstudios.com for samples coming soon. Chris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alan Kroeger=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 6:57 PM Subject: RE: Violin loopers? Stuart Wyatt is a repeater user http://www.solostring.com=20 Chris Payne Is a new EDP user http://www.c2cstudios.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Don Makoviney [mailto:don.makoviney@asg.com]=20 Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 2:55 PM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: Violin loopers? Can anyone recommend some violin loopers (not cello or viola - just = violin)? My sister just got an electric violin and I have been introducing = her to looping. She would like a few MP3's to help her get a grasp on = looping with her violin. She found plenty of cello ones, but not much in = the way of violin (4 or 5 stringers. .. . . .it doesn't matter). Any suggestions? Thanks, Don Makoviney ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C37076.45943AE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Thanks for mentioning me Alan. Yes, I'm = a violin=20 looper now! At the moment I'm a relative newbie at looping so keep = watching=20 www.c2cstudios.com for samples = coming=20 soon.
 
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Alan Kroeger
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 = 6:57=20 PM
Subject: RE: Violin = loopers?

Stuart Wyatt is a repeater user
http://www.solostring.com=20
 
Chris Payne Is a new EDP user
http://www.c2cstudios.com/=
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: = Don Makoviney=20 [mailto:don.makoviney@asg.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 30, = 2003=20 2:55 PM
To: 'Loopers-Delight@lo= opers-delight.com'
Subject:=20 Violin loopers?

Can anyone=20 recommend some violin loopers (not cello or viola - just=20 violin)?
 
My sister just=20 got an electric violin and I have been introducing her to looping. = She would=20 like a few MP3's to help her get a grasp on looping with her violin. = She=20 found plenty of cello ones, but not much in the way of violin (4 or = 5=20 stringers. .. . . .it doesn't matter).
 
Any=20 suggestions?
 
Thanks,
 
Don=20 = Makoviney
------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C37076.45943AE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 11:02:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h81F1Hx15410; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 11:01:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 11:01:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-15.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1062427894!1732371 X-StarScan-Version: 5.0.7; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB4D5@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: letting the drummer hear your loop live Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 15:48:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C37098.09FF1DC0" Resent-Message-ID: <_mLyAB.A.qwD.981U_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C37098.09FF1DC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>If the loop is static, the drummer must play to it, physically. If the drummer can't hear the loop it causes the proverbial train wreck.<< a powered speaker, usually a spare guitar amp, fed with a loop or a tick or a sequencer line and aimed at the drummer's head. they are usually more comfortable with this sort of side-fill arrangement than with headphones or "any of that in-ear nonsense". if there isn't a suitable aux send available, the headphone output of something in y'r rack- repeater or synth module- with something suitably rhythmic and loud coming out of it. but always make y'r own arrangements for this- don't rely on house-monitors. if it's possible to put the master clock somewhere where the drummer can tap-tempo it, so much the better. the repeater is quite reasonable at this, though it's generated clock is a bit wobbly for running 'owt else off. the little korg electribe units are much better at tap-tempo'ing a stable clock, and we have used ours in exactly this fashion: a sequenced piece ends, then there's a mad free-for-all run by the drummer, then the sequencers come back in at a different tempo but they have to join in with the drums... so I tap-tap-tap-start and everything comes in locked to the drums. as soon as he hears the sequencers start, he locks to them. he gets an aux-send of the sequencers and loops through a marshall suitcase-plexi combo, which is shrill enough to remove wallpaper and can thus penetrate drummer-skull-material adequately for our purposes. the only drawback with this idea is that the jam-things don't like speed changes. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C37098.09FF1DC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: letting the drummer hear your loop live

>>If the loop is static, the drummer must play to i= t, physically. If the drummer can't hear the loop it causes the proverbial = train wreck.<<

a powered speaker, usually a spare guitar amp, fed with a= loop or a tick or a sequencer line and aimed at the drummer's head. they a= re usually more comfortable with this sort of side-fill arrangement than wi= th headphones or "any of that in-ear nonsense". if there isn't a = suitable aux send available, the headphone output of something in y'r rack-= repeater or synth module- with something suitably rhythmic and loud coming= out of it. but always make y'r own arrangements for this- don't rely on ho= use-monitors.

if it's possible to put the master clock somewhere where = the drummer can tap-tempo it, so much the better. the repeater is quite rea= sonable at this, though it's generated clock is a bit wobbly for running 'o= wt else off. the little korg electribe units are much better at tap-tempo'i= ng a stable clock, and we have used ours in exactly this fashion:

a sequenced piece ends, then there's a mad free-for-all r= un by the drummer, then the sequencers come back in at a different tempo bu= t they have to join in with the drums... so I tap-tap-tap-start and everyth= ing comes in locked to the drums. as soon as he hears the sequencers start,= he locks to them. he gets an aux-send of the sequencers and loops through = a marshall suitcase-plexi combo, which is shrill enough to remove wallpaper= and can thus penetrate drummer-skull-material adequately for our purposes.=

the only drawback with this idea is that the jam-things d= on't like speed changes.

duncan/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C37098.09FF1DC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 11:03:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h81F2TA15733; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 11:02:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 11:02:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01c3709a$123d7d40$2b02a8c0@chris1> From: "Chris Payne" To: References: <1a0.193e0cb1.2c7481cc@aol.com> Subject: Re: Syncing Echoplex with JamMan? Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 11:02:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <672ChB.A.r1D.F-1U_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com We played around with trying to sync these two machines but didn't get anywhere! Can somebody walk me through it? I tried it both ways but one didn't seem to affect the other much. So for using the Jamman as master I have sync in on the EDP plus set the 8th note cycle. What else do I need to do? When things are linking right should I expect to be using overdub or record once the loop duration has been set by the Jamman? Thanks Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 3:48 AM Subject: Re: Syncing Echoplex with JamMan? > > Hi all, newbie here! > > I have an Echoplex and will be playing with somebody who has a JamMan. Has > > anybody had experience syncing these together? What can I expect and what > > can't I expect? > > the (original software) JamMan glitches at the loop start when used > as a slave, but this might not be a problem for you. > .........maybe better to use JamMan as master because of this. > (which would mean EDP sync=In) > > The JamMan note number needs to be half the 8th/cycle no. of the > EDP if you want the JamMan loop length equal to the EDP cycle length. > > You can Multiply your EDP and stay in sync. > > If your friend uses delay mode on the JamMan (which is the way > to get feedback control) then you can't sync. > > have fun > > andy butler > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 11:06:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h81F5pq16705; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 11:05:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 11:05:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.80.72 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Summary of Violin Loopers Question Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 11:04:35 -0400 Message-ID: <001501c3709a$5bb5ee30$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h81F5oW16678 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Chris thought I might get you to pop in :) Don the forum is for all categories of bowed string instrument whether electric, acoustic, Viola, Cello or Bass Viol and then some. You can post on any topic you wish (including looping, Heck if your a guitar player and just want to know more feel free to join or visit). Chris just joined the rank of Loopers we did have Stuart Wyatt (Solostring) for a bit but, I think he is busy these days (I think that he and Mark (Madfiddler) Knight were supposed to try out a Looping Trio with a cellist but, I never heard anymore about it from Mark). I stay on this list (LD) and the forum. The mix of styles and people are quite interesting try it out (you can do both) Alan Kroeger -----Original Message----- From: Don Makoviney [mailto:don.makoviney@asg.com] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 10:36 AM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: RE: Summary of Violin Loopers Question Yeah I saw that link before. I've been there. I was just asking for loopers is all though, as opposed to just electric fiddlers. I found plenty of those. . . .was just hoping this list was a good place to get right down to the loopers (yeah I'm lazy that way). Figured L-D was a good place. -DM -----Original Message----- From: todd reynolds [mailto:toddreynolds@rcn.com] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 10:33 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Summary of Violin Loopers Question Okay you all, if you REALLY want ALL the fiddle info, follow this link. I'm sorry, I should have offered this to you a few days ago, my head wasn't focused... This site is a pretty complete resource, though I don't think i'm listed... (my own fault.) Best, Todd http://www.lightbubble.com/bowed/ On 9/1/03 10:26 AM, "Don Makoviney" wrote: Figured I would let you know what people sent me in a summary form (good for the archives): Stuart Wyatt http://www.solostring.com Jean-Luc Ponty http://www.ponty.com/ "A pioneer and undisputed master of violin in the arena of jazz and rock. He is widely regarded as an innovator who has applied his unique visionary spin that has expanded the vocabulary of modern music. " Todd Reynolds http://www.toddreynolds.com/music.html "Co-founder of Ethel, violinist and assistant conductor for Steve Reich and Musicians and The Walter Thompson Orchestra. He was a student of the late Jascha Heifetz, a student at the Eastman School of Music, former Principal Second Violin of the Rochester Philharmonic, and holds a Master's degree from SUNY at Stony Brook." Ed Allyne Johnson Martha Mooke - Viola http://www.marthamooke.com/Listening%20Room.htm "Electric five string viola. She has developed a unique musical voice by synthesizing her classical music training with extended techniques, digital effects processing and improvisation, while retaining the depth and soul of the instrument. She has received awards from ASCAP, Meet the Composer and Arts International among others." Garmarna http://www.garmarna.com/ Hedningarna http://www.cabal.se/silence/nyhedning/ Bruce Cockburn Hugh Marsh, the violinist in question is VITAL listening for any electric violinist, looping or no looping. He's fantastic - check out any of Bruce's 80s albums for lots of Hugh's work. (in fact, just check out any of Bruce's albums because they are amazing, forget about instrumentation... :o) Zoe Keating - Cello http://www.zoekeating.com/ Gideon Freudmann - Cello http://www.cellobop.com Enjoy! Don M From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 11:07:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h81F4h216287; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 11:04:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 11:04:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003701c3709a$628406c0$2b02a8c0@chris1> From: "Chris Payne" To: References: Subject: Re: Summary of Violin Loopers Question Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 11:04:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01C37078.DB50D500" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C37078.DB50D500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Summary of Violin Loopers QuestionAdd me, add me!! Chris Payne http://www.c2cstudios.com/payne_site/payne.info.contact.html ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bernhard Wagner=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 10:43 AM Subject: RE: Summary of Violin Loopers Question Sorry, couldn't help it = http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/LoopersDelightReviews/kwiki.cgi?ViolinLoop= ers Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: Don Makoviney [mailto:don.makoviney@asg.com] Sent: Montag, 1. September 2003 16:26 To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: Summary of Violin Loopers Question Figured I would let you know what people sent me in a summary form = (good for the archives):=20 Stuart Wyatt=20 http://www.solostring.com=20 Jean-Luc Ponty=20 http://www.ponty.com/=20 "A pioneer and undisputed master of violin in the arena of jazz and = rock. He is widely regarded as an innovator who has applied his unique = visionary spin that has expanded the vocabulary of modern music. " Todd Reynolds=20 http://www.toddreynolds.com/music.html=20 "Co-founder of Ethel, violinist and assistant conductor for Steve = Reich and Musicians and The Walter Thompson Orchestra. He was a student = of the late Jascha Heifetz, a student at the Eastman School of Music, = former Principal Second Violin of the Rochester Philharmonic, and holds = a Master's degree from SUNY at Stony Brook." Ed Allyne Johnson=20 Martha Mooke - Viola=20 http://www.marthamooke.com/Listening%20Room.htm=20 "Electric five string viola. She has developed a unique musical = voice by synthesizing her classical music training with extended = techniques, digital effects processing and improvisation, while = retaining the depth and soul of the instrument. She has received awards = from ASCAP, Meet the Composer and Arts International among others." Garmarna=20 http://www.garmarna.com/=20 Hedningarna=20 http://www.cabal.se/silence/nyhedning/=20 Bruce Cockburn=20 Hugh Marsh, the violinist in question is VITAL listening for any = electric violinist, looping or no looping. He's fantastic - check out = any of Bruce's 80s albums for lots of Hugh's work. (in fact, just check = out any of Bruce's albums because they are amazing, forget about = instrumentation... :o) Zoe Keating - Cello=20 http://www.zoekeating.com/=20 Gideon Freudmann - Cello=20 http://www.cellobop.com=20 Enjoy!=20 Don M=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C37078.DB50D500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Summary of Violin Loopers Question
Add me, add me!!
 
Chris Payne
htt= p://www.c2cstudios.com/payne_site/payne.info.contact.html
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bernhard Wagner
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, September 01, = 2003 10:43=20 AM
Subject: RE: Summary of Violin = Loopers=20 Question

Sorry, couldn't help it
http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/LoopersDelightReviews/kwiki.c= gi?ViolinLoopers
Bernhard
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Makoviney=20 [mailto:don.makoviney@asg.com]
Sent: Montag, 1. September = 2003=20 16:26
To: 'Loopers-Delight@lo= opers-delight.com'
Subject:=20 Summary of Violin Loopers Question

Figured I would let you know what people sent me = in a=20 summary form (good for the archives):

Stuart Wyatt
http://www.solostring.com

Jean-Luc Ponty
http://www.ponty.com/=20
"A pioneer and undisputed master of violin in the = arena of=20 jazz and rock. He is widely regarded as an innovator who has applied = his=20 unique visionary spin that has expanded the vocabulary of modern = music.=20 "

Todd Reynolds
http://www.toddreynolds.com/music.html =
"Co-founder of Ethel, violinist and assistant conductor for = Steve=20 Reich and Musicians and The Walter Thompson Orchestra. He was a = student of=20 the late Jascha Heifetz, a student at the Eastman School of Music, = former=20 Principal Second Violin of the Rochester Philharmonic, and holds a = Master's=20 degree from SUNY at Stony Brook."

Ed Allyne Johnson

Martha Mooke - Viola
http://www.marthamooke.com/Listening%20Room.htm=20
"Electric five string viola. She has developed a = unique=20 musical voice by synthesizing her classical music training with = extended=20 techniques, digital effects processing and improvisation, while = retaining=20 the depth and soul of the instrument. She has received awards from = ASCAP,=20 Meet the Composer and Arts International among others."

Garmarna
http://www.garmarna.com/


Hedningarna
http://www.cabal.se/silence/nyhedning/ =

Bruce Cockburn
Hugh = Marsh, the=20 violinist in question is VITAL listening for any electric violinist, = looping=20 or no looping. He's fantastic - check out any of Bruce's 80s albums = for lots=20 of Hugh's work. (in fact, just check out any of Bruce's albums = because they=20 are amazing, forget about instrumentation... :o)

Zoe Keating - Cello
http://www.zoekeating.com/

Gideon Freudmann - Cello
http://www.cellobop.com

Enjoy!

Don M =

------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C37078.DB50D500-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 11:12:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h81FAJS17706; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 11:10:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 11:10:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: Summary of Violin Loopers Question Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 17:11:28 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003E_01C370AC.153B27B0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <003701c3709a$628406c0$2b02a8c0@chris1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C370AC.153B27B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Summary of Violin Loopers QuestionMay I encourage you to add yourself? At the bottom of the cited page there's an EDIT button. Guess what that's good for ;-) Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: Chris Payne [mailto:soundboot@o2.co.uk] Sent: Montag, 1. September 2003 17:05 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Summary of Violin Loopers Question Add me, add me!! Chris Payne http://www.c2cstudios.com/payne_site/payne.info.contact.html ----- Original Message ----- From: Bernhard Wagner To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 10:43 AM Subject: RE: Summary of Violin Loopers Question Sorry, couldn't help it http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/LoopersDelightReviews/kwiki.cgi?ViolinLoopers Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: Don Makoviney [mailto:don.makoviney@asg.com] Sent: Montag, 1. September 2003 16:26 To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: Summary of Violin Loopers Question Figured I would let you know what people sent me in a summary form (good for the archives): Stuart Wyatt http://www.solostring.com Jean-Luc Ponty http://www.ponty.com/ "A pioneer and undisputed master of violin in the arena of jazz and rock. He is widely regarded as an innovator who has applied his unique visionary spin that has expanded the vocabulary of modern music. " Todd Reynolds http://www.toddreynolds.com/music.html "Co-founder of Ethel, violinist and assistant conductor for Steve Reich and Musicians and The Walter Thompson Orchestra. He was a student of the late Jascha Heifetz, a student at the Eastman School of Music, former Principal Second Violin of the Rochester Philharmonic, and holds a Master's degree from SUNY at Stony Brook." Ed Allyne Johnson Martha Mooke - Viola http://www.marthamooke.com/Listening%20Room.htm "Electric five string viola. She has developed a unique musical voice by synthesizing her classical music training with extended techniques, digital effects processing and improvisation, while retaining the depth and soul of the instrument. She has received awards from ASCAP, Meet the Composer and Arts International among others." Garmarna http://www.garmarna.com/ Hedningarna http://www.cabal.se/silence/nyhedning/ Bruce Cockburn Hugh Marsh, the violinist in question is VITAL listening for any electric violinist, looping or no looping. He's fantastic - check out any of Bruce's 80s albums for lots of Hugh's work. (in fact, just check out any of Bruce's albums because they are amazing, forget about instrumentation... :o) Zoe Keating - Cello http://www.zoekeating.com/ Gideon Freudmann - Cello http://www.cellobop.com Enjoy! Don M ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C370AC.153B27B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Summary of Violin Loopers Question
May I=20 encourage you to add yourself?
At the=20 bottom of the cited page there's an EDIT button. Guess what=20 that's good for ;-)
Bernhard
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Payne=20 [mailto:soundboot@o2.co.uk]
Sent: Montag, 1. September 2003=20 17:05
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 Summary of Violin Loopers Question

Add me, add me!!
 
Chris Payne
htt= p://www.c2cstudios.com/payne_site/payne.info.contact.html
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bernhard Wagner
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, September 01, = 2003 10:43=20 AM
Subject: RE: Summary of = Violin Loopers=20 Question

Sorry, couldn't help it
http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/LoopersDelightReviews/kwiki.c= gi?ViolinLoopers
Bernhard
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Makoviney=20 [mailto:don.makoviney@asg.com]
Sent: Montag, 1. = September 2003=20 16:26
To: 'Loopers-Delight@lo= opers-delight.com'
Subject:=20 Summary of Violin Loopers Question

Figured I would let you know what people sent me = in a=20 summary form (good for the archives):

Stuart Wyatt
http://www.solostring.com

Jean-Luc Ponty
http://www.ponty.com/
"A pioneer=20 and undisputed master of violin in the arena of jazz and rock. He = is=20 widely regarded as an innovator who has applied his unique = visionary spin=20 that has expanded the vocabulary of modern music. "

Todd Reynolds
http://www.toddreynolds.com/music.html =
"Co-founder of Ethel, violinist and assistant conductor = for Steve=20 Reich and Musicians and The Walter Thompson Orchestra. He was a = student of=20 the late Jascha Heifetz, a student at the Eastman School of Music, = former=20 Principal Second Violin of the Rochester Philharmonic, and holds a = Master's degree from SUNY at Stony Brook."

Ed Allyne Johnson

Martha Mooke - Viola
http://www.marthamooke.com/Listening%20Room.htm=20
"Electric five string viola. She has developed = a unique=20 musical voice by synthesizing her classical music training with = extended=20 techniques, digital effects processing and improvisation, while = retaining=20 the depth and soul of the instrument. She has received awards from = ASCAP,=20 Meet the Composer and Arts International among others."

Garmarna
http://www.garmarna.com/


Hedningarna
http://www.cabal.se/silence/nyhedning/ =

Bruce Cockburn
Hugh = Marsh, the=20 violinist in question is VITAL listening for any electric = violinist,=20 looping or no looping. He's fantastic - check out any of Bruce's = 80s=20 albums for lots of Hugh's work. (in fact, just check out any of = Bruce's=20 albums because they are amazing, forget about instrumentation...=20 :o)

Zoe Keating - Cello
http://www.zoekeating.com/

Gideon Freudmann - Cello
http://www.cellobop.com

Enjoy!

Don M=20

------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C370AC.153B27B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 11:58:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h81FvD725903; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 11:57:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 11:57:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 08:57:06 -0700 Subject: Re: letting the drummer hear your loop live Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200309011428.h81ESJ808968@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Neither. I was trying to lead someone to a conclusion. My position is that in most ensembles, the other musicians looks to the drummer to provide the tempo. It's one of the main reasons for having a drummer. At this point someone (often a drummer) usually jumps in with the "Oh, it's every musicians responsibility to keep their own tempo and drummers are unfairly relegated to this most pedestrian of duties which makes them glorified metronomes, and my creativity is being unfairly stifled, etc, etc" to which I'd say, yeah, but still dude--the drummer provides the tempo. It's a difficult job, but a drummer who can't keep a relatively steady tempo is going to have trouble finding much work, in the same way that a guitarist/bassist/whatever who can't play in time with a drummer isn't going to do well in an ensemble situation. So, yes--I'd say that if only one musician gets to hear the loop, it has to be drummer (if the loop isn't just an ambient drone). And the drummer has to follow the loop. And it's difficult, and can be a pain in the ass, but there's nothing degrading or "stunting" about playing to some form of click. But drummers are like many other musicians--they have problems playing to a click, whether it's a matter of ability or aesthetic sensibility (and usually a mix of both) and no-one likes to do something that they hate and aren't very good at it, but if you can get past all that, there's a lot of new ground you can cover. TravisH On Monday, September 1, 2003, at 07:28 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Subject: letting the drummer hear your loop live > > > Travis wrote, > > 'If everyone's supposed to be keeping time for themselves, why is it so > particularly important for the drummer to be able to hear the loop?' > > > Are you being facetious here or have you not played a lot of ensemble > work? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 12:53:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h81Goci03876; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 12:50:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 12:50:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004a01c370a9$affec840$d98aa344@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: Re: letting the drummer hear your loop live Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 12:54:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [68.163.138.217] at Mon, 1 Sep 2003 11:50:30 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just like everyone needs to hear everyone else in a performance, I suggest everyone in a band needs to hear any loopage -- obviously so they can know the context in which to play their musical moments. If your band is so tight and well rehearsed that it can get by from kick and snare alone, cool. And that's a good skill given the sucky state of many club monitor set-ups. Still, it's never as good as hearing it all -- loops included! David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis" To: Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 11:57 AM Subject: Re: letting the drummer hear your loop live > Neither. I was trying to lead someone to a conclusion. > > My position is that in most ensembles, the other musicians looks to the > drummer to provide the tempo. It's one of the main reasons for having > a drummer. At this point someone (often a drummer) usually jumps in > with the "Oh, it's every musicians responsibility to keep their own > tempo and drummers are unfairly relegated to this most pedestrian of > duties which makes them glorified metronomes, and my creativity is > being unfairly stifled, etc, etc" to which I'd say, yeah, but still > dude--the drummer provides the tempo. It's a difficult job, but a > drummer who can't keep a relatively steady tempo is going to have > trouble finding much work, in the same way that a > guitarist/bassist/whatever who can't play in time with a drummer isn't > going to do well in an ensemble situation. > > So, yes--I'd say that if only one musician gets to hear the loop, it > has to be drummer (if the loop isn't just an ambient drone). And the > drummer has to follow the loop. And it's difficult, and can be a pain > in the ass, but there's nothing degrading or "stunting" about playing > to some form of click. But drummers are like many other > musicians--they have problems playing to a click, whether it's a matter > of ability or aesthetic sensibility (and usually a mix of both) and > no-one likes to do something that they hate and aren't very good at it, > but if you can get past all that, there's a lot of new ground you can > cover. > > TravisH > > > On Monday, September 1, 2003, at 07:28 AM, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > > Subject: letting the drummer hear your loop live > > > > > > Travis wrote, > > > > 'If everyone's supposed to be keeping time for themselves, why is it so > > particularly important for the drummer to be able to hear the loop?' > > > > > > Are you being facetious here or have you not played a lot of ensemble > > work? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 13:00:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h81GvSD05195; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 12:57:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 12:57:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003b01c370ab$2e0369c0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "Loopers Delight" References: Subject: Re: Summary of Violin Loopers Question Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 13:05:00 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don - Since you're including looping cellists - cheryl o http://www.cellojuice.com loops with an AKAI Headrush and Line 6 DL4, performs regularly with Planet Of The Loops and has employed her looping techniques in live performances with dreamSTATE, Sylken, Richard Underhill, Alan Bloor and many other ambient and experimental artists. BTW - there's a good usage of "dark river", a live looping excerpt from cheryl and Planet Of The Loops founder Andrew Aldridge, in "intro-x" a little film by Thunderbolt Video which can be viddyed online at http://www.thunderbolt.de/tvp_introx.html Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com PS - Hugh Marsh is brilliant - I was lucky to see him perform with Cockburn a couple of times. (No looping then.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Makoviney" To: Sent: Monday, 01 September, 2003 10:26 AM Subject: Summary of Violin Loopers Question > Figured I would let you know what people sent me in a summary form (good for > the archives): > > Stuart Wyatt > http://www.solostring.com > > Jean-Luc Ponty > http://www.ponty.com/ > "A pioneer and undisputed master of violin in the arena of jazz and rock. He > is widely regarded as an innovator who has applied his unique visionary spin > that has expanded the vocabulary of modern music. " > > Todd Reynolds > http://www.toddreynolds.com/music.html > "Co-founder of Ethel, violinist and assistant conductor for Steve Reich and > Musicians and The Walter Thompson Orchestra. He was a student of the late > Jascha Heifetz, a student at the Eastman School of Music, former Principal > Second Violin of the Rochester Philharmonic, and holds a Master's degree > from SUNY at Stony Brook." > > Ed Allyne Johnson > > Martha Mooke - Viola > http://www.marthamooke.com/Listening%20Room.htm > "Electric five string viola. She has developed a unique musical voice by > synthesizing her classical music training with extended techniques, digital > effects processing and improvisation, while retaining the depth and soul of > the instrument. She has received awards from ASCAP, Meet the Composer and > Arts International among others." > > Garmarna > http://www.garmarna.com/ > > > Hedningarna > http://www.cabal.se/silence/nyhedning/ > > Bruce Cockburn > Hugh Marsh, the violinist in question is VITAL listening for any electric > violinist, looping or no looping. He's fantastic - check out any of Bruce's > 80s albums for lots of Hugh's work. (in fact, just check out any of Bruce's > albums because they are amazing, forget about instrumentation... :o) > > Zoe Keating - Cello > http://www.zoekeating.com/ > > Gideon Freudmann - Cello > http://www.cellobop.com > > Enjoy! > > Don M > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 13:55:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h81HrG514455; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 13:53:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 13:53:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007501c370b1$e6c68cc0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030830153800.041ad278@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030831113228.0249bc68@loopers-delight.com> <00a301c36ff5$4be6e680$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Subject: Kwiki Loopers Unite? Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 12:52:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim and The List, My adventure into a .php-based Yahoo-like interface to index audio, cd reviews, and user profiles has run into some snags. :) Namely, there's nothing out there that's free, has the features we need, and runs on the platform that the LD site supports, that isn't going to require some significant surgery to deliver the ideas we've discussed. At least I didn't think so. Until I took a closer look at Bernhard's post, and his demo Kwiki site. http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/LoopersDelightReviews/kwiki.cgi Kim - I don't know what you'll think about this idea, and that's key, because LD is *yours*, and I don't want to insinuate anything different. However, I am going to go ahead and post this idea to the list to see if there's any interest in it. I'm sure you'll post your thoughts as well :) that will guide us to the right decision. ====== Dude - this Wiki thing is awesome. When I got frustrated with php this morning, and diverted my attention to Bernhard's demo Wiki setup, I found an interface that could *really* step our "virtual community" up a notch in terms of communication, archiving, helping each other and informing others. As Bernhard has demonstrated in the last couple of days, each person with an interest to do so, can take the things they've gleaned from the list, and *easily* post them in appropriate areas of the Wiki site. Yeah, I know - very Open Source Project, etc. But much simpler and straight to the point, flexible, and customizable. So in the last hour or so, I've: - Reorganized the start that Berhard made to the site :) Now, this is an interesting point: I did this for my own brain, and because I knew that it would be ok in these early stages. But, I also wanted to demonstrate something about Wikis: they are totally open. If I wanted to move a link, drop a link, destroy the data on a page, etc., I could. There are ways to continually backup this data, and Bernhard may have them turned on, but that's still a risk. - Organized the LoopingArtistsoftheWorld section to sorta integrate with the *current* profile system. See my comments below about how this might be the best way to "update" the system. - Exported a 10/20/03 version of the profiles database to a table on a page, so that you can text search for anything across all of the data. Kinda clunky, yes. But gets the job done nicely. Note that this data is old, and doesn't include the "Comments" data from the profiles. - Using that table, started building a TexasLoopers page - Setup a looping audio page, where people can post links to music, and describe it in a way that we've discussed. Bernhard had already setup the "Reviews" section, and it's a great start. Easily modified and added to, as people decide it should be so. Allowing LD list members to organize their own views into the profile system (or any other archive at LD, for that matter) seems like it might be a smarter way to "upgrade" the system than a new piece of software. The big table helps the search process (Kim, send me the latest db, and I'll update), and people can use it to build their own organized links. Like my attempt at a TexasLoopers page. So, yeah, now the controversies. :) Beyond the fact that it's wide open, I think a site like this would end up having a "spider" like quality, reaching it's little appendages deep into the various pages of LD - links to posts, links to the profiles, file library, tips/tricks, etc. It could also have various people's summaries of concepts they are interested in. All of this, organized by some sort of emergent, chaotic life force, as members of the list interact using their own simple motivations... ok sorry - got carried away. I think you can see that I consider this idea a *good thing*. What about everyone else? Have you looked at the site? http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/LoopersDelightReviews/kwiki.cgi Would you use it the way I described? Even occasionally? Could you see it building something useful, in combination with the LD site... or do you think it would end up being a waste of time? I'm with Bernhard - let's discuss! Or better yet, just start a page or two? http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/LoopersDelightReviews/kwiki.cgi Dig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 14:10:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h81I7JG17067; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 14:07:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 14:07:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: Kwiki Loopers Unite? Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 11:07:16 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c370b3$e108c0d0$01b52b04@purgatory> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <007501c370b1$e6c68cc0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is starting to sound really interesting, exciting, warm and cozy. I would definitely use it a lot. It reminds me of the Hitchhikers Guide project @ http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/DontPanic-Tour Doug - have you tried looking at http://www.cgi-resources.com/Programs_and_Scripts/Perl/ for other options as well? :::-----Original Message----- :::From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] :::Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 10:53 AM :::To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com :::Subject: Kwiki Loopers Unite? ::: :::Kim and The List, ::: :::My adventure into a .php-based Yahoo-like interface to index audio, cd :::reviews, and user profiles has run into some snags. :) Namely, there's :::nothing out there that's free, has the features we need, and runs on the :::platform that the LD site supports, that isn't going to require some :::significant surgery to deliver the ideas we've discussed. ::: :::At least I didn't think so. Until I took a closer look at Bernhard's :::post, :::and his demo Kwiki site. :::http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/LoopersDelightReviews/kwiki.cgi ::: :::Kim - I don't know what you'll think about this idea, and that's key, :::because LD is *yours*, and I don't want to insinuate anything different. :::However, I am going to go ahead and post this idea to the list to see if :::there's any interest in it. I'm sure you'll post your thoughts as well ::::) :::that will guide us to the right decision. :::====== :::Dude - this Wiki thing is awesome. When I got frustrated with php this :::morning, and diverted my attention to Bernhard's demo Wiki setup, I found :::an :::interface that could *really* step our "virtual community" up a notch in :::terms of communication, archiving, helping each other and informing :::others. :::As Bernhard has demonstrated in the last couple of days, each person with :::an :::interest to do so, can take the things they've gleaned from the list, and :::*easily* post them in appropriate areas of the Wiki site. Yeah, I know - :::very Open Source Project, etc. But much simpler and straight to the :::point, :::flexible, and customizable. ::: :::So in the last hour or so, I've: :::- Reorganized the start that Berhard made to the site :) Now, this is an :::interesting point: I did this for my own brain, and because I knew that :::it :::would be ok in these early stages. But, I also wanted to demonstrate :::something about Wikis: they are totally open. If I wanted to move a :::link, :::drop a link, destroy the data on a page, etc., I could. There are ways :::to :::continually backup this data, and Bernhard may have them turned on, but :::that's still a risk. :::- Organized the LoopingArtistsoftheWorld section to sorta integrate with :::the :::*current* profile system. See my comments below about how this might be :::the :::best way to "update" the system. :::- Exported a 10/20/03 version of the profiles database to a table on a :::page, :::so that you can text search for anything across all of the data. Kinda :::clunky, yes. But gets the job done nicely. Note that this data is old, :::and :::doesn't include the "Comments" data from the profiles. :::- Using that table, started building a TexasLoopers page :::- Setup a looping audio page, where people can post links to music, and :::describe it in a way that we've discussed. ::: :::Bernhard had already setup the "Reviews" section, and it's a great start. :::Easily modified and added to, as people decide it should be so. ::: :::Allowing LD list members to organize their own views into the profile :::system :::(or any other archive at LD, for that matter) seems like it might be a :::smarter way to "upgrade" the system than a new piece of software. The :::big :::table helps the search process (Kim, send me the latest db, and I'll :::update), and people can use it to build their own organized links. Like :::my :::attempt at a TexasLoopers page. ::: :::So, yeah, now the controversies. :) Beyond the fact that it's wide open, :::I :::think a site like this would end up having a "spider" like quality, :::reaching :::it's little appendages deep into the various pages of LD - links to :::posts, :::links to the profiles, file library, tips/tricks, etc. It could also :::have :::various people's summaries of concepts they are interested in. All of :::this, :::organized by some sort of emergent, chaotic life force, as members of the :::list interact using their own simple motivations... ok sorry - got :::carried :::away. ::: :::I think you can see that I consider this idea a *good thing*. What about :::everyone else? Have you looked at the site? :::http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/LoopersDelightReviews/kwiki.cgi Would you :::use it the way I described? Even occasionally? Could you see it :::building :::something useful, in combination with the LD site... or do you think it :::would end up being a waste of time? ::: :::I'm with Bernhard - let's discuss! Or better yet, just start a page or :::two? ::: :::http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/LoopersDelightReviews/kwiki.cgi ::: :::Dig ::: ::: ::: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 14:44:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h81IgwT22850; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 14:42:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 14:42:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: EFC-7 Question Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 11:42:55 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c370b8$dc385ac0$01b52b04@purgatory> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000101c370b3$e108c0d0$01b52b04@purgatory> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Last night I noticed that when I press on the reverse (insert) on the EFC-7 and have overdub engaged you hear a pause or click that actually gets looped into the signal. This doesn't occur when overdub is off. Is this a normal occurrence or could it be the quality of cord I am using to connect the EFC-7 to the Echoplex which is just a basic Guitar cable. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 15:03:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h81IxUG25551; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 14:59:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 14:59:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030901115345.03f344a8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 12:01:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Kwiki Loopers Unite? In-Reply-To: <007501c370b1$e6c68cc0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030830153800.041ad278@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030831113228.0249bc68@loopers-delight.com> <00a301c36ff5$4be6e680$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <75vrZD.A.FPG.Sc5U_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi- sorry, I don't like this kwiki thing at all. it's too out of control. This isn't going to be part of the Looper's Delight site, so I don't want you to waste your time on it thinking it is. nice to see you guys are so enthusiastic though! kim At 10:52 AM 9/1/2003, Doug Cox wrote: >Kim - I don't know what you'll think about this idea, and that's key, >because LD is *yours*, and I don't want to insinuate anything different. >However, I am going to go ahead and post this idea to the list to see if >there's any interest in it. I'm sure you'll post your thoughts as well :) >that will guide us to the right decision. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 15:39:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h81JcZA31275; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 15:38:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 15:38:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030901122012.02523900@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 12:40:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Syncing Echoplex with JamMan? In-Reply-To: <002e01c3709a$123d7d40$2b02a8c0@chris1> References: <1a0.193e0cb1.2c7481cc@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:02 AM 9/1/2003, Chris Payne wrote: >We played around with trying to sync these two machines but didn't get >anywhere! Can somebody walk me through it? I tried it both ways but one >didn't seem to affect the other much. So for using the Jamman as master I >have sync in on the EDP plus set the 8th note cycle. What else do I need to >do? When things are linking right should I expect to be using overdub or >record once the loop duration has been set by the Jamman? >Thanks >Chris If the jamman is sending midi clock, you should see some response on the display of the echoplex. (the display action depends on if it is LoopIII or LoopIV software, which you don't specify so I won't go into that.) Once the Echoplex has clock, you just press record on the Echoplex and it forces the record lengths to match the length determined by the midi clock tempo and the 8ths/cycle parameter on the echoplex. After the loop is set it will continue to sync to the clock. all other functions work normally from there. Note that LoopIV gives you much more flexibility over LoopIII by following the quantize setting for the records and such. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 16:13:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h81KCSP03777; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 16:12:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 16:12:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 16:09:48 -0400 Subject: Resistors for EFC-7 From: Ed Drake To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0aQVfB.A.26.sg6U_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loopers, I did locate 1% metal film resistors on the mouser web site located here: http://www.mouser.com/catalog/612/228.pdf They come in several wattage values 1/8, 1/4 or 1/2 watt. Which one is the correct wattage value for the resistors in the EFC-7? Does it even matter? Thanks again! Ed From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 16:18:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h81KF9v04406; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 16:15:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 16:15:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030901131223.02134238@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 13:17:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EFC-7 Question In-Reply-To: <000201c370b8$dc385ac0$01b52b04@purgatory> References: <000101c370b3$e108c0d0$01b52b04@purgatory> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:42 AM 9/1/2003, | SquidLoop | wrote: >Last night I noticed that when I press on the reverse (insert) on the >EFC-7 and have overdub engaged you hear a pause or click that actually >gets looped into the signal. This doesn't occur when overdub is off. Is >this a normal occurrence or could it be the quality of cord I am using >to connect the EFC-7 to the Echoplex which is just a basic Guitar cable. It is certainly possible that if you reverse direction while continuously overdubbing a sound you can end up with a discontinuity in the recorded waveform that gives a click. However, I only got it to make a click once after trying this for quite a while. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 17:48:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h81Lj2621968; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 17:45:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 17:45:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c201c370d2$22bd9a00$f264f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200309011844.h81Iieg23293@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: OT: learning to play perfectly to a click track Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 14:38:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Travis said it was frequently difficult to get a drummer to play accurately to a click at times. As a producer, I encounter this problem all the time. Here's my solution given that the drummer is willing to learn something new...............that is frequently not always the case and then, my advise is that if you are serious about your project that you start looking for a new drummer, as painful as that can be. I promise you, when you work with a musician who is to insecure or stubborn to learn or grow you will not be playing with that person in five years no matter how good they are or how much you like them, unless of course that you are unwilling to grow or learn. I sometimes try this trick when I am producing a band with a drummer who can't play to a click: I just say, "This is a very difficult thing to do and I'm not sure that you will be able to, but would you be willing to try and see if you can play to this click track. Don't worry if you can't, we'll figure out another solution to the problem of the time". There's nothing like someone taking a challenge in a pro-active way as opposed to being told that they have to play accurately to a click track or they will be replaced. It's always effective to tell an inexperience musician "Here's something that most people can't do". If they are unable to do it, well then, they are just like most people which is okay, but it encourages punishment free risk taking. Almost everyone that I've tried this with has risen to the challenge eagerly, whereas I have seen some awful scenes in studio sessions with producers who try to brow beat a drummer into playing to a click. Getting the rest of the band to play to a click can even be more difficult, but let's work on that drummer first. I have a great set of exercises that I use to teach drummers (and any instrumentalists ) to not only learn how to play to a click track but to also learn how to play as far behind the beat as sounds good or as far on top of the beat that sounds good. I think I may have already posted this here in the past, but I'll summarize it again: TEACHING A DRUMMER TO PLAY ACCURATELY TO A CLICK TRACK Set a click track to a reasonably moderate tempo (say 90 BPM), so that the click is playing audible16th notes (not quarter notes). DON'T DO THIS IN FRONT OF THE REST OF THE BAND. Call a one hour break for the rest of the musicians. Self conciousness or being put in the spotlight is antithetical to learning quickly, in my opinion. Next get the drummer to count out loud along with the click track and audio hallucinate that it is ever so slowly slowing down. If they've never done this, just have them repeatedly count "One eee and uh" with one syllable falling on every click. Have them try this for a while without playing to the track until they can do it succesfully. You can point out that you can actually hallucinate this phenomenon audibly and that you will at some point reach a place where you just can't hear it slowing down anymore........................... Now have them trying to play to the click track and repeat the very slow 'slowing down' process until they reach the limit of how slow they can hear (and consequently play) the metronome is going. Now you ask them to purposefully try to drag the tempo down, letting them know that this may get jerky and they may veer off of the metronome. The challenge is to play as slowly as you can WITHOUT letting the metronome get away from you. Of course, the net result is that the drummer will play behind the beat. If the drummer is having problems with this.........you ask them to imagine that they are very, very tired, or very, very heavy or very depressed, or lackadaisically bored, or very very hot.................a lot of these emotional states are associated with going slow. You can explain to them that when they are driving 60 miles per hour (sorry about the kilometer conversion here) they can feel really exhausted or very hot and still be driving at the same speed. The perception of the time it takes to drive somewhere changes however from a time when you are excited or adrenalated or caffeinated, etc. It is important that this exercise start at the normal tempo of the metronome and then slowly drift to the very edge of the slowest that you can percieve it's speed. Once the drummer can do this successfully, the next frontier is to try and get the drummer to let his or her tempo drift too slow (so that the metronome gets ahead). At this juncture, there is a strong tenencey to try to jump back to the proper tempo which will cause a glitchy mistake in the percieved playing by a listener (who can't hear the click in the final recording). You now get the drummer to play as slow as possible; purposefully play too slow (letting the metronome get ahead) and then take as long as possible to drift back to the correct tempo. ************************ Once this is done, you do the whole thing over again, hallucinating that the metronome is speeding up. Each side of this exercise will take about 10 to 20 minutes. After a period of time you can ask the drummer to quickly try and slow or speed up to the furthest limit of still playing with the click. One they can do that, now have have them Go to the slowest they can play accurately to the click and at this point ask them to 'feel' how it feels to be playing there in there body. Have them now slowly accelerate until they are playing as fast as they can without getting away (ahead) of the metronome. Now ask them to 'feel' how they feel while playing like this. Amazingly, a person can have really different emotional associations with these places of playing relative to the click. If they didn't know any better, they would swear to you that they are playing at different speeds. One tempo can feel incredibly different depending on where you place yourself relative to the click track. Cultivating how this feels to you is a very powerful way of starting to understand the very basis of tempo and rhythm. *************** Now you are ready to have the drummer to the final exercies: Have them play to the click.......................then go to the slowest that they can play and still be accurate. Next give them one minute exactly to slowly speed up until they have reached the fastest that they can play and still stay accurate. Encourage them to make this speed up as slow as possible. Now give them one minute to slow down from the fastest speed. Repeat both exercises in 30 seconds Repeat both exercises in 15 seconds Repeat both exersices telling the drummer to go from slow to fast and back again as quickly as possible without causing any 'lumpiness'. NOW FOR THE FUN: Record them doing this exercise and then play it back for them without the click: Voila..............you cannot even hear the difference in the track, despite how radical it feels emotionally or perceptually. the whole point is to get them to make all corrections gradually..................In this way, they will feel when the click gets 'away' from them but the listener won't if they are relaxed about returning to accurate. NOW THE BEST PART. Turn on the click and tell the drummer: "Don't think about anything.............just play to the click" In 45 minutes to an hour, the drummer will be able to relaxedly and perfectly play in time to the metronome. NEXT FUN EXERCISE: learning to play to a loop that is not perfect....................a 'lumpy' loop if you will. later, Rick Walker (www.looppool.info) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 18:16:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h81MDBg26903; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 18:13:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 18:13:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030901151451.04476e38@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 15:15:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Resistors for EFC-7 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com it doesn't matter. kim At 01:09 PM 9/1/2003, Ed Drake wrote: >They come in several wattage values 1/8, 1/4 or 1/2 watt. > >Which one is the correct wattage value for the resistors in the EFC-7? >Does it even matter? ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 18:37:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h81MYv330514; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 18:34:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 18:34:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000101c370d9$3d62b8c0$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Subject: stretchy time Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 23:22:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <-HrLvC.A.ncH.Qm8U_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>>Maybe it's time now for Steve Lawson to chime in about the nature of stretching time rhythmically whilst using loops live. He inspired me to really get into the whole Jam Karet ("time is rubber" in Indonesian) mentality when I'm doing a purely solo show. Right now, he and Debhashish Battycharya (the master Indian classical slide guitarist who just got the Shakti gig with John McLaughlin gig or so I'm told) are the only people that I'd have confidence using these techniques with live while using loops. It is a cool technique and used minimally can also help one adjust to a 'lumpy' loop. Steve, if you are not too busy..............you want to take over here? Maybe you could suggest a track from one of your CDs that illustrates this technique that I"ve seen you use so many times in performance.<<< Ah, saved by a vanity search - been so busy recently, I've not been reading all the stuff on LD, just selected highlights, so I head over to the site to do a search on my name, and see if I've been mentioned elsewhere.. :oD ...and whaddya know, I have! Anyway - stretchy time - the way I tend to think of it is to see the rhythmic aspect of a loop as having a 'landscape' with peaks and troughs that can be learnt - so rather than relying on your internal metronomic clock, you've got a loop that expands and contracts where neccesary, and you listen to it to pick up on that. If the stretches are happening in the 'right' places, it's fairly easy to follow, like speech patterns. If they are in the wrong places, it's more likely that it stems from a lack of control rather than an acute awareness of time, and it's time to 'shed a little more on the whole vibe... There are couple of reasons why this works - one is the speech pattern analogy I just mentioned - things have a natural rhythm to them which may or may not be metronomic (might I suggest that if you're using looping on a version of 'good times' or 'le freak' that stretching the loop might cause the track to lose a little of it's magic... ;o) - and certain lines will certainly stretch over the bar lines. The most natural examples of this I've come across are in some Tabla playing, and on really old blue recordings, where you'd end up with 13and a half bar blues due to a particular fill at some point in the tune that injected extra notes of a completely different length in a way that felt totally natural. The other reason is to do with the essence of music being in one way all about tension and release. Often we think of tension and release being harmonic, but it can be rhythmic as well (think of how a Tumbao flips in and out of consonance with the clave in latin music) - so in a loop that's going round and round, it's a good idea to inject a little rhythm ambiguity, some tension and release, to give people different things to focus on as the tune goes on. If the rhythm is really obvious, it may be that the listener has it sussed second time through, and the mystery of the part is 'spent' after only 30 seconds. If it's a bit more tricky to get a handle on, it may give you more room to play... As for examples from my own music - almost anything of mine that is rhythmic stretches in one direction or another... the nearly rubato end of the scale would be 'No More Us And Them' - the opening track from 'Not Dancing For Chicken', and the more rhythmically defined version would be MMFSOG, the track that follows it... cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net (gig details, news, MP3s, paypal CD orders etc.) www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk (buy CDs) www.pmrecords.gemm.com (buy the same CDs) www.solobassnetwork.org.uk (other people making solo bass noises) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 21:29:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h821QWE27499; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 21:26:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 21:26:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030901131832.039ff0f0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 18:28:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians, new tools=new results In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030828220001.02570a98@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:57 PM 8/29/2003, Mike Barrs wrote: > > >If you want to play with other musicians, a looper is a barrier > > >because it's like playing to a click track... which everyone > > hates, unless > > >they're another looping musician. > > > > That's true if the looper is a beginner and doesn't know how to adjust > > their loops with the music around them. > >I don't know about that. Even with tap tempo on the Repeater, you're a long >way from the kind of realtime, continuous tempo adjustment that happens with >live musicians. In addition to the tap tempo, you also can adjust tempo with the tempo knob on the Repeater. With that I think you could use a beat matching technique like DJ's use with the speed controls of a turntable. As with any other techniques for adjusting loop tempos, it will take some practicing to do this well. Certainly DJ's spend a lot of time practicing this, and good ones get the tempos matched up very quickly. I don't see why you couldn't do the same with your Repeater. Also, the Repeater has the Beat Detect function, where it can determine tempo from an incoming audio signal. It's a little tricky to work around the signal routing issues, but I think you can manage get a feed from the drums coming in on one channel and use that for setting the tempo for loops recorded on the other channels. (since you don't want to record the drums.) Then as the tempo of the drums coming in drifts, the Repeater will expand and compress the loop time to keep it matched and in sync. It works pretty well, once you work out the routing. There are other devices on the market that only do this beat detection, like the Red Sound Micro Sync which detects BPM of incoming audio and outputs a midi clock. This is commonly used by DJ's to match sequencers and tempo effects to the beat coming off a record. It could also easily serve your purpose to keep the Repeater (or other loopers) in sync with your live drummer, and you wouldn't have to deal with the routing problem on the repeater. >Also, it's a strange concept (outside of looping) for the >rest of the band to follow the guitar player, or the keyboard player, or >whoever is into looping. Tempo management is normally the role of the >drummer and bass player. Right! I agree, at least in a rock context. That's why I'm saying its the wrong approach for you to walk into that and try to change the whole band dynamic by insisting that now suddenly everybody has to follow the tempo from your loop in some section of the song. In my view, that's amateurish. You are the one controlling the loop, it is your job to keep it in tempo with the others, whether it be by your manual control, giving the drummer means to set and adjust your loop tempo, or some automatic sync mechanism. It's not a simple thing, there are many different tempo techniques that will apply to different situations, you may need to make some adjustments or compromises to make it work, and you need to do some practicing to get the hang of it. The more you understand it the better you will be at doing it and the more options you will see for any given situation. A lot of beginners with looping don't know how to do these techniques and try to insist that the loop is uncontrollable and therefore everybody else has to follow that tempo, which I think is an excellent way to end up being a solo musician. >We're talking about two different cultures here -- live, free tempo groups >vs. groups that work on a fixed clock. I'm not trying to make the case that >one is better than the other... just trying to point out that it's a >different culture, and it's an uphill battle to get someone to move into a >different culture. Well, I'm not talking about different cultures. You are trying to paint looping as part of one "culture" and not another, which I think is nuts. It's just a tool, but it is a tool you need to learn how to use in different ways to apply it in different situations. > > It's no different from a beginner on any other instrument. How well does > > someone who just started playing drums play with others? That's gonna be > > just as much a tempo problem! > >Before I got into guitar, I was a drummer. So I'm coming at this from both >perspectives. Ok, so you must have had to spend time learning to play drums, and maintain tempo while doing it! It didn't come to you on the first day. Now you have to do that practicing with looping. That is my point. All instruments require learning and practice and looping is no different. >That makes it twice as embarrassing that I've had to spend time learning how >to hit the loop button on the downbeat! Of course everybody has to practice that, there is nothing embarrassing about it. If you were a drummer maybe it helps you some, but still it is a fundamental looping technique that takes practice. It also goes a long way to helping to get loops in tempo if you are able to tap them in tempo at the beginning! >However... this is different from keeping a steady beat on kit drums, where >you're active all the time. The way I'm doing it now (as a guitar player) >requires precision timing once every 12 bars (or whatever loop structure I'm >using). It's not as easy as keeping tempo when your main thing is percussion >or drums, and you're driving the rhythm in real time on every eighth note >(or whatever). Yes, of course it is different, since it is a different instrument. If you are using the manual retriggering method it works better with short loops. Long loops can drift out a bit again by the end. Still, it is way better to have the beginning at least start on the beat and get a little out at the end instead of compounding the drift every time the loop repeats. Chances are the tempo drift hasn't been that severe for the end measures to be too bad if the beginning started right. Using a shorter loop would help a lot there, since it can be resynched more often. If there is a long chord progression you really think needs to be in a loop, you might even try splitting it into several loops so it resyncs with each loop switch, but that's kind of a pain. Other techniques include redefining the loop length on the fly and fixing the rhythm from there, re-recording a loop on the fly, using feedback and replace to evolve into a new groove, chopping out a small bit of the loop in the new tempo and remultiplying it out again, etc. None of these things work in all circumstances, but having many techniques available will give you a lot more flexibility for live playing. Listen to the way people like Matthias Grob or Andre LaFosse can totally change the rhythm of a loop very quickly to fit a new groove or tempo. They might not be doing the same sort of music as you, but both these guys play both solo and in groups a lot live. With a variety of techniques readily at their command they can easily jam with people while using loops in a very rhythmic way. > > >2) Someone like me who comes from a traditional music background > > (blues and > > >jazz) automatically thinks in terms of traditional song structures like > > >A-A-B-A. How many people on this list have actually tried to loop a > > >traditional verse-verse-chorus-verse song? I've been working at it for a > > >year, and it's frustrating. The Repeater fixes the bar length > > with the first > > >recorded track, so forget an AABA song where the "B" section is > > a different > > >number of bars, unless you want to get into a Midi pedal tap dancing > > >nightmare of arming and switching between loops. > > > > seems to me your problem is specific with the repeater, not > > looping. That's > > simple to deal with in the Echoplex. The boomerang might be able to do it > > too, I'm not sure. The jamman had the same problem of forcing all > > the loops > > to be the same length. > >Okay, so the EDP is better at structured AABA song format looping? If so, I >need to read the manual and see if this offers some things the Repeater >doesn't. > > > To some extent too, think about arrangement. what the hell are > > you talking > > about AABA where you've recorded multiple overdubs over the A loop before > > you ever get to B? Or bass and rhythm and lead while also talking about > > looping with multiple people? Can't the bass player make his own loop? > >This is in the context of solo performance, sorry if that wasn't clear. I >don't have a bass player. My bass player is my thumb on the bottom two >strings of my guitar. ah. since you were talking about bands I assumed you had more players. In any case, consider arrangement. If you have AABA, I would think by the first time through the sequence you've already recorded the base and two passes of overdubs on the A section and the base recording on the B section. Next time through you could add something else to B or just play a second part over it live. You would just do all of that as you play through the song. I think you can easily arrange a song so that it sounds natural to build the loops as part of it. Try listening to people like Phil Keaggy, Howie Day, Kellar Williams, and Amy X Neuberg. They all do this sort of thing in their live sets with structured songs and arrangements. They do overdubs and new sections naturally as they move through the sections of the song. The audience never feels like they are waiting for them to set up a loop before the song really starts. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 23:42:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h823f3S28341; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 23:41:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 23:41:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: illness@mail.earthlink.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004001c36c1f$10c7a050$ba5efea9@fdb> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030826110610.0349d398@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030826110610.0349d398@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030826143916.033ce828@loopers-delight.com> <004001c36c1f$10c7a050$ba5efea9@fdb> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 00:01:24 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mike iLL Subject: Unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Unsubscribe >Unsubscribe >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kim Flint" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 7:41 AM >Subject: Re: Cranky Kim > > >> At 01:50 PM 8/26/2003, brian tester wrote: >> >Just to ley you know Kim, I was thinking of buying an EDP until I >realized >> >that you are involved with it. Sorry, that's just the way it goes. I >had >> >enough money, too. ;) >> >> ha ha! sorry if my provocative questions bother you. After so many years >> running this list it's the only way to keep it interesting. Feel free to >> unsubscribe: >> >> http://www.loopers-delight.com/list/LoopList.html >> >> kim >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >> kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com >> >> -- Mad haPPy http://www.madhappy.tv From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 23:42:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h823fGD28420; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 23:41:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 23:41:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: illness@mail.earthlink.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004001c36c1f$10c7a050$ba5efea9@fdb> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030826110610.0349d398@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030826110610.0349d398@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030826143916.033ce828@loopers-delight.com> <004001c36c1f$10c7a050$ba5efea9@fdb> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 00:03:04 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mike iLL Subject: Re: Unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Unsubscribe >Unsubscribe >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kim Flint" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 7:41 AM >Subject: Re: Cranky Kim > > >> At 01:50 PM 8/26/2003, brian tester wrote: >> >Just to ley you know Kim, I was thinking of buying an EDP until I >realized >> >that you are involved with it. Sorry, that's just the way it goes. I >had >> >enough money, too. ;) >> >> ha ha! sorry if my provocative questions bother you. After so many years >> running this list it's the only way to keep it interesting. Feel free to >> unsubscribe: >> >> http://www.loopers-delight.com/list/LoopList.html >> >> kim >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >> kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com >> >> -- Mad haPPy http://www.madhappy.tv From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 00:37:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h824Zwo06766; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 00:35:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 00:35:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Unsubscribe Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 21:35:54 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is interesting--he replied to his own failed attempt to unsubscribe. Time now to quote the Remarkable Claude Voit--I saved this for just such an occasion . . . DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE OR YOUR COMPUTER WILL SHOW YOU VERY UNPOLITE MESSAGES FROM ALL AROUND THE WORLD 1-go to your browser preferences and set you Email client to send plain text (NO HTML) with No signature file 2-click next line link mailto:Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 3-delete your signature, etc... make your message blank 4-double click (highlight) the sacred word on next line SACRED WORD--> unsubscribe <--SACRED WORD then copy (contr+C ) 5-place cursor in Subject of the message Paste (contr+V) 5-place cursor in Body of the message Paste (contr+V) 7-click send Bye bye Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 01:01:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h824xUw10262; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 00:59:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 00:59:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: Fear of "canned" loops Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 00:59:22 -0400 Message-ID: <006401c3710e$f9e6f710$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5925A847-DBDA-11D7-BC0C-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, since you asked like a nice guy I WILL answer the question, and if you need it, I'll even provide the 'digest' version if you require. I didn't see the show, just not my thing. I was told that their entire show was played from DAT and the audience knew nothing about it. They had musicians onstage APPARENTLY playing the music, but that playing didn't make it to FOH. I have also been told that the vocals were most certainly live, which gave me a bit of relief. I included this example to tell the list what I've seen/heard as far as 'canned' loops this season. I hope this was all helpful/informative. Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 1:41 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fear of "canned" loops Sorry man, you can't come in half way into a thread and have people go back and give you a digest version. Go back and read the thread, I'm sure it's all in the archives if you've deleted these emails. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, August 30, 2003, at 07:20 PM, Fsksync@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/30/03 2:38:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu writes: > > What'd Culture Club do? > > > > having......hard......time......restraining.......fingers.......must... > ...not......type...... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 01:26:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h825P3m13779; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 01:25:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 01:25:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006401c3710e$f9e6f710$7f613d44@soulfruit> References: <006401c3710e$f9e6f710$7f613d44@soulfruit> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 01:17:26 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Appropriate use of canned material in concert was RE: Fear of "canned" loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Many years ago (20 or so), I did visuals for an early electro improv band in Boston (Mono Vogue -- I doubt you have heard of it) One night, the leader was the only one there at the start of the set. Undaunted, he started a cheesey drum machine lick (in those days, that was the only flavor), started a recording of an incredibly dry lecture on industrial engineering, and played keyboard over that. This still strikes me as the most appropriate use of precanned material in live music performance that I have encountered. -- "Freedom is a scary thing --- Not many people really want it" -- Laurie Anderson -- pre 9.11 "Freedom is a scary thing --- So precious, so easy to lose". -- Laurie Anderson -- post 9.11 If you are emailing me for the first time or from a new address, please start the subject line of your message with the word "New". This will prevent it from getting lost in the spam. Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 01:33:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h825Vrb15039; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 01:31:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 01:31:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c37114$08278c40$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <006401c3710e$f9e6f710$7f613d44@soulfruit> Subject: Re: Appropriate use of canned material in concert was RE: Fear of "canned" loops Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 01:35:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [68.163.218.123] at Tue, 2 Sep 2003 00:31:45 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like it!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 1:17 AM Subject: Appropriate use of canned material in concert was RE: Fear of "canned" loops > Hi > > Many years ago (20 or so), I did visuals for an early electro improv > band in Boston (Mono Vogue -- I doubt you have heard of it) > > One night, the leader was the only one there at the start of the set. > Undaunted, he started a cheesey drum machine lick (in those days, > that was the only flavor), started a recording of an incredibly dry > lecture on industrial engineering, and played keyboard over that. > > This still strikes me as the most appropriate use of precanned > material in live music performance that I have encountered. > -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 04:11:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8289ih04967; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 04:09:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 04:09:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 10:09:27 +0200 Subject: Re: learning to play perfectly to a click track From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19u6EL-1UbdBY0@fwd07.sul.t-online.com> X-Seen: false X-ID: STpLyvZcZegGjEMO6srm6Yy2QykcR2N2ZaG-Fx8CHhVyz7hePLzNwd Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, Rick, thanks a lot for passing this along! I think this is really first hand info from "red light territory" and I immediately got my metronome out to check these "feels" while reading on. BTW, I guess that a lot of these things can be rehearsed with delays/loopers as well, right? Best wishes, Andreas Willers From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 09:11:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h82D7wC19400; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 09:07:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 09:07:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f401c37153$271c5ba0$4ee35cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #336 for August 28, 2003 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 09:07:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00EF_01C37131.931D1A00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00EF_01C37131.931D1A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs = each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in = Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #336 August 28, 2003 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Infection Music, a = label in the UK having T-Bass UK and Skin Mechanix on its artist roster. The = Featured CD at Midnight was "MediaEvil" by all of Infection Music's artists. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Cyborg" by Klaus Schulze on Ohr = Records. I played the music of Under the Dome who will be appearing at the = Gatherings Concert Series on September 13. Infection Music - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#aug The Gatherings Concert Series - http://www.thegatherings.org PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 11:00 pm Klaus Schulze Synphara Cyborg (Ohr) Under the Dome The Messenger Dome Roots Collection (Cochlear Vision) Jonn Serrie The Stargazer's Journey The Stargazer's Journey = (New World) Principle of Silence The Fall Live (none) Alio Die and Enchanted Land Expanding Horizon = (Relapse) Mathias Grassow VA [Nebula Drone] Most Colourful Bubbles Sequences No, 28 = (Sequences) of Mud Robert Carty Dreaming Stone Ethereal Deserts (Deep = Sky) 12:00 am VA [T=3DBass UK] The Fabulous Neutrinos MediaEvil = (InfectionMusic) VA [T=3DBass UK] Tranquility Bass MediaEvil = (InfectionMusic) VA [T=3DBass UK] Alfa Centauri Medley MediaEvil = (InfectionMusic) VA [T=3DBass UK] Generator MediaEvil = (InfectionMusic) VA [T=3DBass UK] Lovesong MediaEvil = (InfectionMusic) VA [Skin Mechanix] Skin Mechanix Medley MediaEvil = (InfectionMusic) VA [T=3DBass UK] A Question of Time MediaEvil = (InfectionMusic) VA [Skin Mechanix] Waving at Mono MediaEvil = (InfectionMusic) Ken Martin Neurophasing Berlin Impressions Vol. = 3 (Space for Music) 1:00 am * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on Redshift. The = Featured CD at Midnight will be "Ether" on the Champagne Lake Productions label. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Moondawn" by Klaus Schulze on = Brain Records. I will play music by Under the Dome who will be appearing at the = Gatherings Concert Series on September 13. Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, = Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in = Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click = LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy ------=_NextPart_000_00EF_01C37131.931D1A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
EMUSIC</a> is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, = that airs=20 each Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, = PA and=20 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
 
            =    =20     Show #336       =20             August 28, = 2003
 
RECAP:
On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on = Infection=20 Music, a label in
the UK having T-Bass UK and Skin Mechanix on its = artist=20 roster.  The Featured
CD at Midnight was "MediaEvil" by all of = Infection=20 Music's artists.
 
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Cyborg" by Klaus Schulze on Ohr=20 Records.
 
I played the music of Under the Dome who will be appearing at the=20 Gatherings
Concert Series</a> on September 13.
 
Infection Music - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#aug
=
The Gatherings Concert Series - http://www.thegatherings.org
 

PLAYLIST:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
11:00 pm
Klaus=20 Schulze          =20 Synphara           = ;     =20 Cyborg (Ohr)
Under the=20 Dome          The=20 Messenger          &nbs= p; Dome=20 Roots=20 Collection
          = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;   =20 (Cochlear Vision)
Jonn=20 Serrie           &= nbsp;=20 The Stargazer's Journey  The Stargazer's Journey=20 (New
           = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;  =20 World)
Principle of Silence    The=20 Fall           &nb= sp;    =20 Live (none)
Alio Die=20 and            = Enchanted=20 Land           = Expanding=20 Horizon (Relapse)
  Mathias Grassow
VA [Nebula=20 Drone]       Most Colourful = Bubbles  =20 Sequences No, 28=20 (Sequences)
         &nbs= p;            = ;   =20 of Mud
Robert=20 Carty            = Dreaming=20 Stone           = Ethereal=20 Deserts (Deep Sky)
 
12:00 am
VA [T=3DBass=20 UK]          The Fabulous=20 Neutrinos   MediaEvil (InfectionMusic)
VA [T=3DBass=20 UK]          Tranquility=20 Bass         MediaEvil=20 (InfectionMusic)
VA [T=3DBass=20 UK]          Alfa Centauri=20 Medley     MediaEvil (InfectionMusic)
VA = [T=3DBass=20 UK]         =20 Generator          &nbs= p;    =20 MediaEvil (InfectionMusic)
VA [T=3DBass=20 UK]         =20 Lovesong           = ;     =20 MediaEvil (InfectionMusic)
VA [Skin = Mechanix]     =20 Skin Mechanix Medley     MediaEvil = (InfectionMusic)
VA=20 [T=3DBass UK]          A = Question of=20 Time       MediaEvil = (InfectionMusic)
VA [Skin=20 Mechanix]      Waving at=20 Mono           = MediaEvil=20 (InfectionMusic)
Ken=20 Martin           &= nbsp; =20 Neurophasing          &= nbsp; =20 Berlin Impressions Vol.=20 3
           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;  =20 (Space for Music)
 
1:00 am
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
 

NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus = on=20 Redshift.  The Featured CD
at Midnight will be "Ether" on the = Champagne=20 Lake Productions label.
 
The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Moondawn" by Klaus Schulze = on=20 Brain
Records.
 
I will play music by Under the Dome who will be appearing at the=20 Gatherings
Concert Series on September 13.
 
Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient,  and space music show,  = Thursdays=20 at 11
pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and = 93.9 FM in=20 Easton
and Phillipsburg.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org  and click =20 LISTEN
EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic<= /A>
To=20 subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!]=20 at
http://groups.yahoo.co= m/group/emusic-wdiy
 ------=_NextPart_000_00EF_01C37131.931D1A00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 09:57:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h82DrMt27716; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 09:53:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 09:53:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 09:53:04 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: learning to play perfectly to a click track To: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002201c37159$901c2ee0$1912be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <00c201c370d2$22bd9a00$f264f93f@global> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nice set of directions, Rick! Since rhythm is pitch made slow, and since I give instruction to a lot of aspiring musicians (including myself!) I encourage all musicians to use a metronome just as they would use a tuner, and to control rhythm just as they would control pitch. Your "pro-active challenge" approach is excellent! Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 10:14:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h82EBp332077; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:11:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:11:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Question about Line6 DL-4 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:11:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3715C.25F096C0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3715C.25F096C0 Content-Type: text/plain According to Zzounds website: "The Loop Sampler includes 14 seconds of memory + 800ms of Pre-delay (sort of a delay within a delay), and features half speed and/or reverse overdubbing" Does that mean you have access to 800ms of delay while looping? This would be nice because if I got one I would love to not have to get another delay pedal for my lead playing. If this is true, is that 800ms delay able to be set with Tap Tempo? Thanks, DM ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3715C.25F096C0 Content-Type: text/html Message
According to Zzounds website:
"The Loop Sampler includes 14 seconds of memory + 800ms of Pre-delay (sort of a delay within a delay), and features half speed and/or reverse overdubbing"
 
Does that mean you have access to 800ms of delay while looping? This would be nice because if I got one I would love to not have to get another delay pedal for my lead playing. If this is true, is that 800ms delay able to be set with Tap Tempo?
 
Thanks,
 
DM
------_=_NextPart_001_01C3715C.25F096C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 10:17:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h82EEIT32746; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:14:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:14:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012d01c3715c$676c8140$4ee35cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for August 30, 2003 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:13:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_012A_01C3713A.CFC8EFC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_012A_01C3713A.CFC8EFC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix = of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 = FM and on the internet. Send me comments if you love or hate what I played. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 = am. Show #29 August 30, 2003. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Under the Dome Liquid Sky Bellerphon (Neu = Harmony) Under the Dome Launch Bellerphon (Neu = Harmony) Under the Dome Drift Bellerphon (Neu = Harmony) Tangerine Dream For the Summit Only Mota Atma (TDP) Jonn Serrie The Stars, Like Dust The Stargazer's Journey = (New World) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Surajit Das Samprayoga Kamasutra; The = Essential (Oreade Music) Aeoliah The Caress J'adore (Oreade Music) Steven Halpern and Midnight Memories Perfect Alignment = (Inner Peace Paul McCandless Music) Gitano Family Les Mas de la Pousaraque Torero! (Sprill Hill = Music) Karunesh Call of the Tribes Global Spirit (Oreade = Music) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Kaipa A Complex Work of Art Keyholder (InsideOut) Tomas Bodin The Prayer Sonic Boulevard = (InsideOut) Tomas Bodin The Hero from Cloud City Sonic Boulevard = (InsideOut) The Tangent A Serenade The Music That Died = Alone (InsideOut) The Tangent Playing On... TMTDA (InsideOut) The Tangent Pre-history TMTDA (InsideOut) The Tangent Reprise TMTDA (InsideOut) * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show in five weeks on October 4. Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from = "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to comtemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm Listen on-line to WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM at = http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link. ------=_NextPart_000_012A_01C3713A.CFC8EFC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by <a = href=3D"Bill'>http://soundscapes.us/~bill"&g= t;Bill=20 Fox</a> who plays
electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive = Rock,=20 and an eclectic mix of other
genres.  The show airs from 6:00 am = to 8:00=20 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and
on the <a href=3D"http://www.muhlenber= g.edu/wmuh/realaud.html"=20 target=3D"wmuhweb">internet</a>.  Send me <a href=3D"mailto:billfox@fast.net?= subject=3DAM/FM=20 Show Feedback">comments</a> if you love or hate what I = played.  I=20 also
host <a href=3D"../../../afterglow/index.html"=20 target=3D"afterglow">Afterglow</a> every Thursday from 8:00 am = to 9:30=20 am.
 
            =    =20     Show #29       =20             August 30, = 2003.
 
Phase I/Space:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Under the=20 Dome          Liquid=20 Sky           &nbs= p;  =20 Bellerphon (Neu Harmony)
Under the=20 Dome         =20 Launch           &= nbsp;      =20 Bellerphon (Neu Harmony)
Under the=20 Dome         =20 Drift           &n= bsp;       =20 Bellerphon (Neu Harmony)
Tangerine=20 Dream         For the Summit=20 Only      Mota Atma (TDP)
Jonn=20 Serrie           &= nbsp;=20 The Stars, Like Dust     The Stargazer's Journey=20 (New
           = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;  =20 World)
 
Phase II/Eclectic:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Surajit=20 Das           &nbs= p;=20 Samprayoga          &nb= sp;   =20 Kamasutra; The=20 Essential
          =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;   =20 (Oreade=20 Music)
Aeoliah         &n= bsp;      =20 The=20 Caress           &= nbsp;  =20 J'adore (Oreade Music)
Steven Halpern = and     =20 Midnight Memories        Perfect = Alignment=20 (Inner Peace
  Paul=20 McCandless          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;          =20 Music)
Gitano=20 Family           Les = Mas de la=20 Pousaraque Torero! (Sprill Hill=20 Music)
Karunesh         &= nbsp;     =20 Call of the Tribes       Global Spirit = (Oreade=20 Music)
 
Phase III/Progressive Rock:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Kaipa        &= nbsp;         =20 A Complex Work of Art    Keyholder (InsideOut)
Tomas=20 Bodin           &n= bsp;=20 The=20 Prayer           &= nbsp;  =20 Sonic Boulevard (InsideOut)
Tomas=20 Bodin           &n= bsp;=20 The Hero from Cloud City Sonic Boulevard (InsideOut)
The=20 Tangent           =  =20 A=20 Serenade           = ;   =20 The Music That Died=20 Alone
          &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;  =20 (InsideOut)
The=20 Tangent           =  =20 Playing = On...           =20 TMTDA (InsideOut)
The=20 Tangent           =  =20 Pre-history          &n= bsp;  =20 TMTDA (InsideOut)
The=20 Tangent           =  =20 Reprise           =       =20 TMTDA (InsideOut)
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
 
I return to the AM/FM Show in five weeks on October 4.
 
Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am (GMT-5:00).
Phase = 1:=20 Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from = "Beyond
the=20 Barriers."
Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New=20 Age.
Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to comtemporary=20 releases.
Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amf= m
Listen=20 on-line to WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh=20 and
click the REAL AUDIO link.
 ------=_NextPart_000_012A_01C3713A.CFC8EFC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 10:21:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h82EIY401213; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:18:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:18:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Question about Line6 DL-4 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:18:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3715D.16D12B90" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3715D.16D12B90 Content-Type: text/plain Answering my own question via Harmony-Central.com: "They do include an echo in the looper (which is some consolation) but there's no tap-tempo in this mode so you have to manually adjust the echo time with the dial." Bummer. Thanks, DM -----Original Message----- From: Don Makoviney [mailto:don.makoviney@asg.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 10:12 AM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: Question about Line6 DL-4 According to Zzounds website: "The Loop Sampler includes 14 seconds of memory + 800ms of Pre-delay (sort of a delay within a delay), and features half speed and/or reverse overdubbing" Does that mean you have access to 800ms of delay while looping? This would be nice because if I got one I would love to not have to get another delay pedal for my lead playing. If this is true, is that 800ms delay able to be set with Tap Tempo? Thanks, DM ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3715D.16D12B90 Content-Type: text/html Message
Answering my own question via Harmony-Central.com:
"They do include an echo in the looper (which is some consolation) but there's no tap-tempo in this mode so you have to manually adjust the echo time with the dial."
 
Bummer.
 
Thanks,
 
DM
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Makoviney [mailto:don.makoviney@asg.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 10:12 AM
To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'
Subject: Question about Line6 DL-4

According to Zzounds website:
"The Loop Sampler includes 14 seconds of memory + 800ms of Pre-delay (sort of a delay within a delay), and features half speed and/or reverse overdubbing"
 
Does that mean you have access to 800ms of delay while looping? This would be nice because if I got one I would love to not have to get another delay pedal for my lead playing. If this is true, is that 800ms delay able to be set with Tap Tempo?
 
Thanks,
 
DM
------_=_NextPart_001_01C3715D.16D12B90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 10:27:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h82EO2j02642; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:24:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:24:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Question about Line6 DL-4 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:24:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3715D.DA167D30" Resent-Message-ID: <0W4vgB.A.Jp.BgKV_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3715D.DA167D30 Content-Type: text/plain Are you asking or telling? Do you mean the delay time could be set using an expression pedal while looping? If so. . .yayyy! Please lemme know. Thanks, DM >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Relay [mailto:relaydelayband@earthlink.net] >>Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 10:19 AM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: RE: Question about Line6 DL-4 >> >> >>Or pedal input? >> >>Gary >> >>----Original Message----- >> >>From: Don Makoviney >> >>DL-4 >> >>According to Zzounds website: >>"The Loop Sampler includes 14 seconds of memory + 800ms of >>Pre-delay (sort of a delay within a delay), and features half >>speed and/or reverse overdubbing" >> >>Does that mean you have access to 800ms of delay while >>looping? This would be nice because if I got one I would love >>to not have to get another delay pedal for my lead playing. >>If this is true, is that 800ms delay able to be set with Tap Tempo? >> >>Thanks, >> >>DM >> >> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3715D.DA167D30 Content-Type: text/html RE: Question about Line6 DL-4

Are you asking or telling?

Do you mean the delay time could be set using an expression pedal while looping?

If so. . .yayyy!

Please lemme know. Thanks,

DM

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Relay [mailto:relaydelayband@earthlink.net]
>>Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 10:19 AM
>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>Subject: RE: Question about Line6 DL-4
>>
>>
>>Or pedal input?
>>
>>Gary
>>
>>----Original Message-----
>>
>>From: Don Makoviney
>>
>>DL-4
>>
>>According to Zzounds website:
>>"The Loop Sampler includes 14 seconds of memory + 800ms of
>>Pre-delay (sort of a delay within a delay), and features half
>>speed and/or reverse overdubbing"
>>
>>Does that mean you have access to 800ms of delay while
>>looping? This would be nice because if I got one I would love
>>to not have to get another delay pedal for my lead playing.
>>If this is true, is that 800ms delay able to be set with Tap Tempo?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>DM
>>
>>

------_=_NextPart_001_01C3715D.DA167D30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 10:27:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h82EJFO01493; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:19:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:19:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: Question about Line6 DL-4 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 07:19:05 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Or pedal input? Gary ----Original Message----- From: Don Makoviney DL-4 According to Zzounds website: "The Loop Sampler includes 14 seconds of memory + 800ms of Pre-delay (sort of a delay within a delay), and features half speed and/or reverse overdubbing" Does that mean you have access to 800ms of delay while looping? This would be nice because if I got one I would love to not have to get another delay pedal for my lead playing. If this is true, is that 800ms delay able to be set with Tap Tempo? Thanks, DM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 10:41:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h82Eank05799; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:36:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:36:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: Question about Line6 DL-4 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:36:37 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c3715f$9fdc90d0$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C3713E.18CD61D0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C3713E.18CD61D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, if I read it right, the pre-delay of up to 800 ms will allow for a delay of your dry signal BEFORE it is received by the delay. I don't believe you have access to it other than as a pre-delay. Other time-based effects have this feature and all of them work this way. It does seem a bit confusing. I've never had use for it on the DL4, so I'm not completely sure if it functions this way. Try it! Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: Don Makoviney [mailto:don.makoviney@asg.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 10:12 AM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: Question about Line6 DL-4 According to Zzounds website: "The Loop Sampler includes 14 seconds of memory + 800ms of Pre-delay (sort of a delay within a delay), and features half speed and/or reverse overdubbing" Does that mean you have access to 800ms of delay while looping? This would be nice because if I got one I would love to not have to get another delay pedal for my lead playing. If this is true, is that 800ms delay able to be set with Tap Tempo? Thanks, DM ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C3713E.18CD61D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

Well, if I read it right, the = pre-delay of up to 800 ms will allow for a delay of your dry signal BEFORE it is = received by the delay. I don’t believe you have access to it other than as a pre-delay. Other time-based effects have this feature and all of them = work this way.

 

It does seem a bit confusing. = I’ve never had use for it on the DL4, so I’m not completely sure if it functions this way. Try it!

 

Respect=

 <= /span>

Will = Brake

Soul Fruit = Electronics

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: Don Makoviney [mailto:don.makoviney@asg.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September = 02, 2003 10:12 AM
To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'
Subject: Question about = Line6 DL-4

 

According to Zzounds website:
"The Loop Sampler includes 14 seconds of memory + 800ms of = Pre-delay (sort of a delay within a delay), and features half speed and/or reverse overdubbing"

 

Does that mean you have = access to 800ms of delay while looping? This would be nice because if I got one I = would love to not have to get another delay pedal for my lead playing. If this = is true, is that 800ms delay able to be set with Tap = Tempo?

 

Thanks,

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C3713E.18CD61D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 10:50:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h82ElVV07749; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:47:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:47:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: Looping with other musicians, new tools=new results Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:47:23 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01c37161$1eec87d0$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030901131832.039ff0f0@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com FYI on tempo and controlling it. There are lots of drummers out there, playing professionally, that use a metronome, or other beat checking device to check tempo before and during the song(s). Boss even makes a device that mounts to a cymbal or drum stand. With the energy on stage, it is really easy to rush/drag the tempo, even if you have great timing. I've seen some really incredible drummers start a song with too fast a tempo and it's a gallop to the finish! Useful tools are everywhere, use them to your advantage! I just wish the Boss unit had MIDI out! Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 9:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians, new tools=new results At 09:57 PM 8/29/2003, Mike Barrs wrote: > > >If you want to play with other musicians, a looper is a barrier > > >because it's like playing to a click track... which everyone > > hates, unless > > >they're another looping musician. > > > > That's true if the looper is a beginner and doesn't know how to adjust > > their loops with the music around them. > >I don't know about that. Even with tap tempo on the Repeater, you're a long >way from the kind of realtime, continuous tempo adjustment that happens with >live musicians. In addition to the tap tempo, you also can adjust tempo with the tempo knob on the Repeater. With that I think you could use a beat matching technique like DJ's use with the speed controls of a turntable. As with any other techniques for adjusting loop tempos, it will take some practicing to do this well. Certainly DJ's spend a lot of time practicing this, and good ones get the tempos matched up very quickly. I don't see why you couldn't do the same with your Repeater. Also, the Repeater has the Beat Detect function, where it can determine tempo from an incoming audio signal. It's a little tricky to work around the signal routing issues, but I think you can manage get a feed from the drums coming in on one channel and use that for setting the tempo for loops recorded on the other channels. (since you don't want to record the drums.) Then as the tempo of the drums coming in drifts, the Repeater will expand and compress the loop time to keep it matched and in sync. It works pretty well, once you work out the routing. There are other devices on the market that only do this beat detection, like the Red Sound Micro Sync which detects BPM of incoming audio and outputs a midi clock. This is commonly used by DJ's to match sequencers and tempo effects to the beat coming off a record. It could also easily serve your purpose to keep the Repeater (or other loopers) in sync with your live drummer, and you wouldn't have to deal with the routing problem on the repeater. >Also, it's a strange concept (outside of looping) for the >rest of the band to follow the guitar player, or the keyboard player, or >whoever is into looping. Tempo management is normally the role of the >drummer and bass player. Right! I agree, at least in a rock context. That's why I'm saying its the wrong approach for you to walk into that and try to change the whole band dynamic by insisting that now suddenly everybody has to follow the tempo from your loop in some section of the song. In my view, that's amateurish. You are the one controlling the loop, it is your job to keep it in tempo with the others, whether it be by your manual control, giving the drummer means to set and adjust your loop tempo, or some automatic sync mechanism. It's not a simple thing, there are many different tempo techniques that will apply to different situations, you may need to make some adjustments or compromises to make it work, and you need to do some practicing to get the hang of it. The more you understand it the better you will be at doing it and the more options you will see for any given situation. A lot of beginners with looping don't know how to do these techniques and try to insist that the loop is uncontrollable and therefore everybody else has to follow that tempo, which I think is an excellent way to end up being a solo musician. [Will Brake] > > It's no different from a beginner on any other instrument. How well does > > someone who just started playing drums play with others? That's gonna be > > just as much a tempo problem! > [Will Brake] kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 11:06:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h82F3uD11020; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:03:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:03:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZtAD+FdPDPjJG/5Ed7Z6HQnbj/ZLI86UMR3+A0R42MPMUkOQWacvd6 Message-ID: <00be01c37163$534f1ae0$6501a8c0@ldroby> From: "LeonD" To: References: <000801c3715f$9fdc90d0$7f613d44@soulfruit> Subject: Re: Question about Line6 DL-4 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:03:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And without an expression pedal, the only way to turn the pre echo on or off is to manually turn the echo's volume up or down. I don't know if the expression pedal works in loop mode. Anyone? LeonD > Well, if I read it right, the pre-delay of up to 800 ms will allow for a > delay of your dry signal BEFORE it is received by the delay. I don't > believe you have access to it other than as a pre-delay. Other > time-based effects have this feature and all of them work this way. > > It does seem a bit confusing. I've never had use for it on the DL4, so > I'm not completely sure if it functions this way. Try it! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 11:18:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h82FGI013625; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:16:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:16:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030902151610.90241.qmail@web40308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 08:16:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Gig ALERT & evans 25th B-day celebration!!! (NYC) To: evanmeyers@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Pocketeers! As some of you may know, we took the summer off to travel and take in some sun-shine, but we are BACK!!! Refueled and with new inspiration… with the summer coming to a close, what better time to take in some shows? Beat the rain by getting down for some excellent music and celebrate with us as we set the pace for the fall! B3 - September 4th @ 11pm (Avenue B and 3rd St) http://newyork.citysearch.com/profile/11455559 This is a FREE show, 21+ and will be a one hour set. Yeah, yeah, we know it’s a school night, but will you be sleeping before midnight anyway? CB's 313 Gallery - Sept 6th @ 9pm http://www.cbgb.com/gallery.html This is a big gig and Evan’s (bassist) 25th birthday celebration, so if you can only make one show, make it this one. Come on out and celebrate and show your support for your favorite home-grown band! Small cover at the door and fairly priced drinks! The Pocket will take the stage at 9pm and play for an hour, then onto the Birthday celebration! Come on out and support The Pocket and help Evan celebrate his 25th birthday in style! Please forward this mail to anyone who you think would like to hear some groovey tunes! For up-to-date info on all The Pocket’s happenings, check us out on the web at www.geocities.com/riftkid. Poke around, get familiar with the band and hear some music for FREE!!! To be removed from The Pocket’s mailing list…send an email with REMOVE in the subject heading. Thanks, we look forward to a great fall! ~ e va n (bassist of the pocket) www.geocities.com/riftkid __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 11:19:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h82FFra13525; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:15:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:15:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:15:48 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: HsAcNoStEtN-2 "new reviews" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1149606747==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1149606747==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" here's 2 reviews from my cd project from earlier this yr. i don't even remember sending it...1st one rips me a new bum-hole (again), but they also ripped the new eric johnson album, so i feel like i'm in good company, 2nd one is a bit more "positive"...my big question: when am i going to get out of the "lo-fi" mode, i mean, the stuff was all recorded on a digital recorder, there's no hiss like on my 4-track recordings, jeez..., and i'm lumped in w/ the slackers now? when that was all happening 10 yrs ago, i was a good 1/2 generation older than most of the "slackers", oh well, guess it's good to be in "some type of category"...some humourous reading for the day....enjoy....s---- http://www.splendidezine.com/review.html?reviewid=3267012539626234 Scott Hansen has a beef with Corporate Rock. He says it plain as day with the title of his sophomore album, and his lo-fi singer songwriter/looped noise shtick rebukes all things mainstream and corporate-controlled. Unfortunately, his dislike for anything mainstream or "corporate" compromises his vision, steering him away from such tired concepts as entertaining his listeners or actually making sense. Hansen offers 26 mostly-untitled noise tracks over 78 minutes. I have no doubt he had a blast (and more than likely was blasted) recording and manipulating corp ROCK sucks, but it isn't the easiest or most enjoyable listen for anyone else. His forays into noise looping and sound manipulation demonstrate no apparent forethought or focus -- they're mostly just annoying. The tracks Hansen bothered to title, most notably the catchy "Legacy" and the charming "Poplust", offer intriguing lo-fi singer/songwriter moments that, while never breaking any ground, at least engage and entertain...leaving only 74-odd minutes of material that doesn't. The biggest problem facing Hansen here, outside of his confusing slacker moniker (chosen because there was already a Scott Hansen registered on MP3.com), is the album title. I'm assuming he has something to say about the substandard and shallow state of corporate rock, and corp ROCK sucks is intended to make a statement and push some buttons. Unfortunately, the only button you'll want to push is "eject". -- Ryan Smith http://members.evansville.net/tgodsend/latest.html HsAcNoStEtN - "corp ROCK sucks" CDR - This 26-track, 78-minute album by Iowa-based solo artist Scott Hansen delivers both experimental sound collages as well as lo-fi bedroom-folk pop. The untitled electronic-based experiments seem meandering and aimless, often showing little more than improvised keyboard/guitar noise-noodles. On the other hand, Hansen's folksy vocal pieces show a slackerly singer-songwriter in the vein of another Hansen (Beck). It's rough, unpolished work, and the tracks seem rather samey and often plodding, but the honestly and down-to-basics approach is something that many a 'big-name' act can learn from. Congrats to Scott for keeping his music far-away and free from the gloss and false facades of the mainstream. (Hello Shadow Media) -- --============_-1149606747==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" HsAcNoStEtN-2 "new reviews"
here's 2 reviews from my cd project from earlier this yr. i don't even remember sending it...1st one rips me a new bum-hole (again), but they also ripped the new eric johnson album, so i feel like i'm in good company, 2nd one is a bit more "positive"...my big question: when am i going to get out of the "lo-fi" mode, i mean, the stuff was all recorded on a digital recorder, there's no hiss like on my 4-track recordings, jeez..., and i'm lumped in w/ the slackers now? when that was all happening 10 yrs ago, i was a good 1/2 generation older than most of the "slackers", oh well, guess it's good to be in "some type of category"...some humourous reading for the day....enjoy....s----

http://www.splendidezine.com/review.html?reviewid=3267012539626234
Scott Hansen has a beef with Corporate Rock. He says it plain as day with the title of his sophomore album, and his lo-fi singer songwriter/looped noise shtick rebukes all things mainstream and corporate-controlled. Unfortunately, his dislike for anything mainstream or "corporate" compromises his vision, steering him away from such tired concepts as entertaining his listeners or actually making sense.

Hansen offers 26 mostly-untitled noise tracks over 78 minutes. I have no doubt he had a blast (and more than likely was blasted) recording and manipulating corp ROCK sucks, but it isn't the easiest or most enjoyable listen for anyone else. His forays into noise looping and sound manipulation demonstrate no apparent forethought or focus -- they're mostly just annoying. The tracks Hansen bothered to title, most notably the catchy "Legacy" and the charming "Poplust", offer intriguing lo-fi singer/songwriter moments that, while never breaking any ground, at least engage and entertain...leaving only 74-odd minutes of material that doesn't.

The biggest problem facing Hansen here, outside of his confusing slacker moniker (chosen because there was already a Scott Hansen registered on MP3.com), is the album title. I'm assuming he has something to say about the substandard and shallow state of corporate rock, and corp ROCK sucks is intended to make a statement and push some buttons. Unfortunately, the only button you'll want to push is "eject".
-- Ryan Smith


http://members.evansville.net/tgodsend/latest.html
HsAcNoStEtN - "corp ROCK sucks" CDR - This 26-track, 78-minute album by Iowa-based solo artist Scott Hansen delivers both experimental sound collages as well as lo-fi bedroom-folk pop. The untitled electronic-based experiments seem meandering and aimless, often showing little more than improvised keyboard/guitar noise-noodles. On the other hand, Hansen's folksy vocal pieces show a slackerly singer-songwriter in the vein of another Hansen (Beck). It's rough, unpolished work, and the tracks seem rather samey and often plodding, but the honestly and down-to-basics approach is something that many a 'big-name' act can learn from. Congrats to Scott for keeping his music far-away and free from the gloss and false facades of the mainstream. (Hello Shadow Media)
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--============_-1149606747==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 11:56:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h82Fr8Z21900; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:53:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:53:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: Question about Line6 DL-4 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 08:53:07 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c3716a$4dc2f400$01b52b04@purgatory> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00be01c37163$534f1ae0$6501a8c0@ldroby> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It works in Loop Mode but only affects the pre-delay. :::-----Original Message----- :::From: LeonD [mailto:ld60@rcn.com] :::Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 8:03 AM :::To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com :::Subject: Re: Question about Line6 DL-4 ::: :::And without an expression pedal, the only way to turn the pre echo on or :::off :::is to manually turn the echo's volume up or down. ::: :::I don't know if the expression pedal works in loop mode. Anyone? ::: :::LeonD ::: ::: ::: :::> Well, if I read it right, the pre-delay of up to 800 ms will allow for :::a :::> delay of your dry signal BEFORE it is received by the delay. I don't :::> believe you have access to it other than as a pre-delay. Other :::> time-based effects have this feature and all of them work this way. :::> :::> It does seem a bit confusing. I've never had use for it on the DL4, so :::> I'm not completely sure if it functions this way. Try it! ::: ::: ::: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 11:56:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h82FsdF22724; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:54:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:54:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 11:54:21 -0400 From: ENAT21213@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: North Carolina Loopers, was Re: Florida Loopers? MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <58212E82.4EFF767B.020C5A11@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 24.172.33.186 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <2lP39C.A.7iF._0LV_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com south carolina looper checking in! hey steve! love, brian electric bird noise something about vampires and sluts new something about vampires and sluts cd out now!(lots of looping) somethingaboutvampiresandsluts.com coptercrash.com In a message dated 8/31/2003 10:53:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, burnett@pobox.com writes: > I'll jump in on this thread and ask for the same for North Carolina. Email > me offlist if you're in North Carolina. If you're in Florida, email Don > :). > > best, > Steve > Subscape Annex > http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > > On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Don Makoviney wrote: > > > Are there any here? Just curious. If so could you email me off list? Maybe > > we can sit in on each others sessions or gigs. Might make > for some good > > times. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Don M From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 12:06:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h82G2eg26255; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:02:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:02:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Question about Line6 DL-4 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:02:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3716B.9FFB6D00" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3716B.9FFB6D00 Content-Type: text/plain Okay, I am a delay neophyte I guess, but that is essentially a delay that can be used while looping right? I don't really care if I model specific delays, but I would at least like to have a delay of some sort that I can access while in LOOP mode. It sounds like this is indeed the case. I'll stop by the music store today and try one out. Thanks, Don M >>-----Original Message----- >>From: SquidLoop [mailto:squidloop@thetentacle.org] >>Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 11:53 AM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: RE: Question about Line6 DL-4 >> >> >>It works in Loop Mode but only affects the pre-delay. >> >>:::-----Original Message----- >>:::From: LeonD [mailto:ld60@rcn.com] >>:::Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 8:03 AM >>:::To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>:::Subject: Re: Question about Line6 DL-4 >>::: >>:::And without an expression pedal, the only way to turn the >>pre echo on or :::off :::is to manually turn the echo's >>volume up or down. >>::: >>:::I don't know if the expression pedal works in loop mode. Anyone? >>::: >>:::LeonD >>::: >>::: >>::: >>:::> Well, if I read it right, the pre-delay of up to 800 ms >>will allow for :::a :::> delay of your dry signal BEFORE it >>is received by the delay. I don't :::> believe you have >>access to it other than as a pre-delay. Other :::> time-based >>effects have this feature and all of them work this way. :::> >>:::> It does seem a bit confusing. I've never had use for it >>on the DL4, so :::> I'm not completely sure if it functions >>this way. Try it! >>::: >>::: >>::: >> >> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3716B.9FFB6D00 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Question about Line6 DL-4

Okay, I am a delay neophyte I guess, but that is = essentially a delay that can be used while looping right? I don't = really care if I model specific delays, but I would at least like to = have a delay of some sort that I can access while in LOOP mode. It = sounds like this is indeed the case.

I'll stop by the music store today and try one = out.

Thanks,

Don M

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: SquidLoop [mailto:squidloop@thetentacle.o= rg]
>>Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 11:53 = AM
>>To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>Subject: RE: Question about Line6 = DL-4
>>
>>
>>It works in Loop Mode but only affects the = pre-delay.
>>
>>:::-----Original Message-----
>>:::From: LeonD [mailto:ld60@rcn.com]
>>:::Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 8:03 = AM
>>:::To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>:::Subject: Re: Question about Line6 = DL-4
>>:::
>>:::And without an expression pedal, the only = way to turn the
>>pre echo on or :::off :::is to manually turn = the echo's
>>volume up or down.
>>:::
>>:::I don't know if the expression pedal = works in loop mode.  Anyone?
>>:::
>>:::LeonD
>>:::
>>:::
>>:::
>>:::> Well, if I read it right, the = pre-delay of up to 800 ms
>>will allow for :::a :::> delay of your = dry signal BEFORE it
>>is received by the delay. I don't :::> = believe you have
>>access to it other than as a pre-delay. = Other :::> time-based
>>effects have this feature and all of them = work this way. :::>
>>:::> It does seem a bit confusing. I've = never had use for it
>>on the DL4, so :::> I'm not completely = sure if it functions
>>this way. Try it!
>>:::
>>:::
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C3716B.9FFB6D00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 12:06:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h82G3QF26589; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:03:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:03:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [194.151.43.5] X-Originating-Email: [martijn_2m@hotmail.com] From: "Martijn 2M" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: DL-4 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 16:03:19 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Sep 2003 16:03:20.0102 (UTC) FILETIME=[BA81E460:01C3716B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, The DL4 has delay before the looper, however it can't be set using tap tempo. The rack version, the Echo Pro (that I replaced my DL4 with last week !!) however is different, you can tap tempo the delay of the delay before the loop .. oh and the loop time is extended to 1 minute. Also you can assign the reverse/forward/halfspeed/normalspeed to individual midi commands, i.o.w. to separate footswitches on for example an fcb1010. Meaning : more and easier control .. Regards, Martijn _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 12:23:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h82GJci30183; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:19:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:19:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030902161935.77700.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 09:19:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians, new tools=new results To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- max valentino wrote: > In regards to time, sync and drummers: Since when is it the drummer’s or > bassist’s responsibility to keep time/tempo for others? One thing I stress > in bands for which I play (and usually in a role of MD), as well as to my > students, is that it is NOT the role of the rhythm section to “keep” time > and/or tempo for the other players. That is an individual responsibility of > each player, and if you cannot manage this elementary discipline then you > are really not ready to “play”. Very well said! I was thinking the same thing myself. If you play in a group, you need to LISTEN to what's going on. There won't be time drift if everyone's listening and not just wanking away on their own. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 12:49:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h82Gkgq03330; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:46:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:46:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Question about Line6 DL-4 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:46:29 -0400 Message-ID: <001d01c37171$c6873a20$e93c0404@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000001c3716a$4dc2f400$01b52b04@purgatory> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop018.verizon.net from [4.4.60.233] at Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:46:33 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, not exactly, you can assign the exp pedal to effect pre-delay time, level, pre-delay modulation (only on the repeats) or loop/direct mix. Or all of them at once. You set the knobs one way with the heel up, and it remembers them. Then put the toe down and set the knobs any way you want, and it remembers them. Then you can 'morph' between the 2 sounds. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > It works in Loop Mode but only affects the pre-delay. > > > :::And without an expression pedal, the only way to turn the > pre echo on or :::off :::is to manually turn the echo's > volume up or down. > ::: > :::I don't know if the expression pedal works in loop mode. Anyone? > ::: > :::LeonD > ::: > ::: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 12:49:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h82Gijd02785; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:44:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:44:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004e01c37171$91e12380$61935142@MyComputer> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <006401c3710e$f9e6f710$7f613d44@soulfruit> Subject: Re: Appropriate use of canned material in concert was RE: Fear of "canned" loops Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 09:45:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" > Subject: Appropriate use of canned material in concert was RE: Fear of "canned" > loops > Many years ago (20 or so), I did visuals for an early electro improv band in Boston (Mono Vogue -- I doubt you have heard of it) > One night, the leader was the only one there at the start of the set. Undaunted, he started a cheesey drum machine lick (in those days, that was the only flavor), started a recording of an incredibly dry lecture on industrial engineering, and played keyboard over that. > This still strikes me as the most appropriate use of precanned material in live music performance that I have encountered. Aha... This gets at my own theory (and reluctance) to use canned loops. The pre-recorded material should never appear smarter or upstage the actual live musicians! I want pre-recorded stuff to be fairly dumb and obviously there only to supply some simple function. Either timekeeping; something to react to (the above example from Emile); SIMPLE atmospherics. If anything interesting is going to happen, I believe it should be applied in real time. Fancy-pants stereo processing; re-contextualization of the canned stuff with real-time creativity etc. Canned stuff should always appear dumber than the performer! If the canned stuff is the impressive stuff, there's really no justification for the presence of the live musician! -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 12:49:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h82GlvM03600; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:47:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:47:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 09:47:55 -0700 Subject: Re: DL-4 From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9ozC5D.A.I4.9mMV_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Would anyone be interested in trading a DL-4 in good condition for an Echo Pro? I'm contemplating putting together a more mobile setup with less or no rack gear. Mark on 9/2/03 9:03 AM, Martijn 2M at martijn_2m@hotmail.com wrote: > Hi all, > > The DL4 has delay before the looper, however it can't be set using tap > tempo. The rack version, the Echo Pro (that I replaced my DL4 with last week > !!) however is different, you can tap tempo the delay of the delay before > the loop .. oh and the loop time is extended to 1 minute. Also you can > assign the reverse/forward/halfspeed/normalspeed to individual midi > commands, i.o.w. to separate footswitches on for example an fcb1010. Meaning > : more and easier control .. > > Regards, > Martijn > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 12:50:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h82Gn3003884; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:49:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:49:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 09:49:02 -0700 Subject: Line6 loopers From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On the broader front, the Echo Pro could have been such a cool box. It has a number of near misses, however. These are shared or more so with the DL-4. For example: * It's got enough memory for 60 seconds of loop time and it supports stereo delays, so why not 30 seconds of stereo looping? * No feedback control in the looper (widely complained about before) * How about longer delay times and a hold feature for the other delays? It would be great to use some of the grungier echos on either Line6 unit as a form of looper, but I need a way to hold it occasionally. Sometimes, Line6 reminds me of Roland for their ability to come close but then miss the mark. (The HandSonic is a classic Roland example.) Line6 writes better manuals, however. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 12:51:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h82GnGT03995; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:49:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:49:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006801c37172$33793de0$61935142@MyComputer> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <000001c3716a$4dc2f400$01b52b04@purgatory> Subject: Re: Question about Line6 DL-4 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 09:49:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It works on every knob available. I use it to change pre-delay time, add/remove feedback from the pre-delay, change the modulation, adjust the mix of the pre-delay as well as the mix of the loop. It's totally awesome. Just turn the knobs to the min/max settings and use the pedal! The pre-delay is just that. A delay to use before the looper so it gets recorded into the loop. -Miko ----- Original Message ----- From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 8:53 AM Subject: RE: Question about Line6 DL-4 > It works in Loop Mode but only affects the pre-delay. > > :::-----Original Message----- > :::From: LeonD [mailto:ld60@rcn.com] > :::Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 8:03 AM > :::To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > :::Subject: Re: Question about Line6 DL-4 > ::: > :::And without an expression pedal, the only way to turn the pre echo on > or > :::off > :::is to manually turn the echo's volume up or down. > ::: > :::I don't know if the expression pedal works in loop mode. Anyone? > ::: > :::LeonD > ::: > ::: > ::: > :::> Well, if I read it right, the pre-delay of up to 800 ms will allow > for > :::a > :::> delay of your dry signal BEFORE it is received by the delay. I > don't > :::> believe you have access to it other than as a pre-delay. Other > :::> time-based effects have this feature and all of them work this way. > :::> > :::> It does seem a bit confusing. I've never had use for it on the DL4, > so > :::> I'm not completely sure if it functions this way. Try it! > ::: > ::: > ::: > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 13:12:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h82HAJe08261; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 13:10:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 13:10:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F54D080.6F23F6DA@helpwantedproductions.com> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 13:16:48 -0400 From: Legion@helpwantedproductions.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" , "analogue@hyperreal.org" Subject: VERY on topic live show this weekend... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am doing a special solo show for the Philadelphia Fringe Festival this year. It is all live ambient guitar playing and will be a pretty involved set gearwise using a number of processors, looping devices, and old guitar synthesizers from the 80s (including the Roland Gr300) as well as pedals and such. The music, however, is rather subdued and free floating. The show is this Saturday at 9:30 and Sunday at 9 PM. It's a split bill and I'll be playing the first thirty minutes or so both nights with an interesting video/music group called LoVID from NYC doing the 2nd half of the show. Should be a good time. You can listen to a MP3 of one of the tracks online at my site at: http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/HWPgr300.mp3 (This song is a minimal piece done 100% live using a Roland GR300 guitar and a loop/delay pedal.) other songs are more involved. A CD Ep will be available at the shows for $5. Here's the info for the shows. This an official Fringe program so you can check it out on their website or in the guide as well. (http://www.pafringe.com) David Talento will unveil his long awaited all guitar show at the 2003 Fringe Festival this year. Titled Guitar/Not Guitar it will feature live ambient loops and processed guitar sounds. From the official Fringe Guide: "This performance features the electric guitar and you'll hear everything but the traditional sounds of the guitar. Using guitar synthesizers and chains of signal processing effects moans. swells, strings, and other things aurally emerge while the instrument remains the same. Welcome to the world of Guitar/Not Guitar" Also performing will be LoVID: "a performance duo who appear as cyborg-video puppets wearing unique video-wear embroided with 14 LCD monitors. LoVID has tour extensively and performed this past July at the Institute of Contemporary art in London." WHO: David Talento and LoVID WHERE: Fringe main stage 205 Race Street Phila PA WHEN: Two Shows: Saturday Sept. 6th, 9:30 PM Sunday Sept. 7th, 9:00 PM Hope to see some of your there. Please come up and introduce yourself after the show! ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 13:17:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h82HEgH09163; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 13:14:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 13:14:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <021601c37175$af29cb50$19f5cdd4@esrk8vi66uc3cx> From: "ESR Zainea Liviu" To: Subject: ACOUSTICAL MATERIALS Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:14:33 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0213_01C3718E.D3246BA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Disposition-Notification-To: "ESR Zainea Liviu" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0213_01C3718E.D3246BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear List, Very nice are all loops and electronics. 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------=_NextPart_000_0213_01C3718E.D3246BA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 13:30:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h82HRXX11590; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 13:27:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 13:27:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:27:26 -0700 Subject: Re: Appropriate use of canned material in concert was RE: Fear of "canned" loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 9f07e848 aee23e9e b0af9641 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <004e01c37171$91e12380$61935142@MyComputer> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <4rpjLC.A.A1C.FMNV_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I actually came into ambient music in a weird way by using canned Brian Eno. We were playing a gig where the house put on a Brian Eno album on during our break. I used to have a hard time wrangling the band back from breaks, so this time I just went up and started doing a duet with Brian. One by one bandmates realized it was me playing around with my Digitech 8 sec delay (modified with large rubber washers so I could tweak the knobs with my feet.) and came up and joined me. After all of us made it on stage we launched into our song (our stuff was kind of Pink Floyd influenced so weird noise intros weren't unusual) but the house never killed the Eno! I liked it so much I bought a few Brian Eno albums and found that when I just listened to them, my pop-song mentality had a hard time with a long form ambient piece. Playing along with it with the delay kind of made a lightbulb go off and after a bit I "got it." Now I listen to stuff that's way more minimal and I have a hard time believing that there was a time where I thought, "When does the song start?" The funny thing was I went to an ambient show recently and one of the pieces was an Eno cut slightly manipulated with a KAOSS pad with a Diggeriedoo player playing over it. My mind instantly thought, "LAME." It wasn't until I started writing this email that I realized that I was once guilty of the same thing. I have a feeling that this was their planned act, while ours was a happy accident. We also added a full composition over Brian. OK, I'm now making excuses. It was probably pretty lame. I don't think we or the audience thought it was lame. I remember my band mates thinking it was mostly funny. It did turn me on to adding long ambient loops to a lot of our songs. Anyway, I still recommend playing along with a Brian Eno album to any musicians who tell me that they don't "get" ambient music. I wouldn't use it in a show, but as a way to understand ambient music I found it very useful. Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, September 2, 2003, at 09:45 AM, Miko Biffle wrote: >> From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" >> Subject: Appropriate use of canned material in concert was RE: Fear of > "canned" >> loops > > >> Many years ago (20 or so), I did visuals for an early electro improv >> band > in Boston (Mono Vogue -- I doubt you have heard of it) > >> One night, the leader was the only one there at the start of the set. > Undaunted, he started a cheesey drum machine lick (in those days, that > was > the only flavor), started a recording of an incredibly dry lecture on > industrial engineering, and played keyboard over that. > >> This still strikes me as the most appropriate use of precanned >> material in > live music performance that I have encountered. > > Aha... This gets at my own theory (and reluctance) to use canned loops. > > The pre-recorded material should never appear smarter or upstage the > actual > live musicians! I want pre-recorded stuff to be fairly dumb and > obviously > there only to supply some simple function. Either timekeeping; > something to > react to (the above example from Emile); SIMPLE atmospherics. > > If anything interesting is going to happen, I believe it should be > applied > in real time. Fancy-pants stereo processing; re-contextualization of > the > canned stuff with real-time creativity etc. Canned stuff should always > appear dumber than the performer! > > If the canned stuff is the impressive stuff, there's really no > justification > for the presence of the live musician! > > -Miko > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 13:41:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h82HdVj14138; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 13:39:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 13:39:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c37179$ae08ce20$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: Re: Appropriate use of canned material in concert was RE: Fear of "canned" loops Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 13:43:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [68.163.160.46] at Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:39:23 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Sottilaro writes Anyway, I still recommend playing along with a Brian Eno album to any musicians who tell me that they don't "get" ambient music. I wouldn't use it in a show, but as a way to understand ambient music I found it very useful. Excellent idea. If you really want to know something, you need to do it! I have a friend who I think I want to try this! Thank you! David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 14:09:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h82I7c318682; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 14:07:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 14:07:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-AMAZON-TRACK: Message-ID: <3F54DC5F.4000103@rosewoodblues.com> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 11:07:27 -0700 From: Ken Hawkins Reply-To: ken@rosewoodblues.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: anyone using Pro Tools? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9iPvcD.A.yjE.qxNV_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i had a weird idea... well actually a continuance of sorts from another project i am in. http://www.valvetone.com/records/convergence/index.htm we got together over the internet and unfortunately i was not loop ready :( though it ws a fun project to do since we all never met in the physical sense. anywho the long and short of this is that i thought of builing a song/album off of layered loops from all the loopers that want to. By this i mean a seed loop could be done then passed along other loopers to be built upon (layered) or (pre)appended to till we achieve the light of sound.... i have the means to record, master, dup, etc.. and am looking to colaborate with other loopers, probably 6-8 others though this is wide open for ideas right now.. i can set up a website/ftp site to facilitate the passing of files and/or mail them out if needed. we could pass the loop(s) along in a Pro Tools session and build from there. this is in it's infantile stages however and is completely liquid. email me if you are interested and we'll loop! ken; http://www.rosewoodblues.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 14:50:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h82Imni26193; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 14:48:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 14:48:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: Appropriate use of canned material in concert was RE: Fear of "canned" loops Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 14:48:39 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01c37182$d3972110$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <004e01c37171$91e12380$61935142@MyComputer> Resent-Message-ID: <6Fi1VD.A.FZG.RYOV_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Miko, I believe you just nailed it! This is certainly the WHOLE point. Well met. Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: Miko Biffle [mailto:biffoz@arczip.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 12:45 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Appropriate use of canned material in concert was RE: Fear of "canned" loops > From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" > Subject: Appropriate use of canned material in concert was RE: Fear of "canned" > loops > Many years ago (20 or so), I did visuals for an early electro improv band in Boston (Mono Vogue -- I doubt you have heard of it) > One night, the leader was the only one there at the start of the set. Undaunted, he started a cheesey drum machine lick (in those days, that was the only flavor), started a recording of an incredibly dry lecture on industrial engineering, and played keyboard over that. > This still strikes me as the most appropriate use of precanned material in live music performance that I have encountered. Aha... This gets at my own theory (and reluctance) to use canned loops. The pre-recorded material should never appear smarter or upstage the actual live musicians! I want pre-recorded stuff to be fairly dumb and obviously there only to supply some simple function. Either timekeeping; something to react to (the above example from Emile); SIMPLE atmospherics. If anything interesting is going to happen, I believe it should be applied in real time. Fancy-pants stereo processing; re-contextualization of the canned stuff with real-time creativity etc. Canned stuff should always appear dumber than the performer! If the canned stuff is the impressive stuff, there's really no justification for the presence of the live musician! -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 15:00:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h82IvXN27879; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 14:57:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 14:57:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] From: "Jon Wagner" To: "loopers" References: <3F54DC5F.4000103@rosewoodblues.com> Subject: Re: anyone using Pro Tools? Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:57:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Sep 2003 18:57:27.0345 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D8CAA10:01C37184] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > i had a weird idea... well actually a continuance of sorts from another > project i am in. > > http://www.valvetone.com/records/convergence/index.htm > > we got together over the internet and unfortunately i was not loop ready > :( though it ws a fun project to do since we all never met in the > physical sense. I've been trying to do the same except using a repeater loop file extracted from the cfc card on a repeater. Its been off and on, but there are a few loops over at the repeater user's yahoo group. If anyone wants to do some of this let me know, and we can start collaborating using seed loops from each other's repeaters. Its been a fun thing to try doing! Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 15:48:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h82JjDg20573; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 15:45:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 15:45:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <9.1829dd9b.2c864d35@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 15:44:53 EDT Subject: Re: HsAcNoStEtN-2 "new reviews" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9.1829dd9b.2c864d35_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10689 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_9.1829dd9b.2c864d35_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/2/03 11:16:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, scott-a-hansen@uiowa.edu writes: > solo artist Scott Hansen delivers both experimental sound collages as well > as lo-fi bedroom-folk pop. and ya got to be near that eject button at all times!.....scott, great reviews!.....michael --part1_9.1829dd9b.2c864d35_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 9/2/03= 11:16:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, scott-a-hansen@uiowa.edu writes:


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and ya got to be near that eject button at all times!.....scott, great revie= ws!.....michael --part1_9.1829dd9b.2c864d35_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 16:41:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h82KeDu04062; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 16:40:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 16:40:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: Question about Line6 DL-4 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 13:40:06 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c37192$66c7cd40$01b52b04@purgatory> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001d01c37171$c6873a20$e93c0404@home> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When I had my DL-4 I had a lot of problems with the unit not remembering the settings of the expression pedal for the looper - I would even make sure that I plugged in the pedal before powering up the unit. It was very annoying when this would happen live. Never had this problem with the Echo Pro though. :::-----Original Message----- :::From: future perfect [mailto:artists@hazardfactor.com] :::Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 9:46 AM :::To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com :::Subject: RE: Question about Line6 DL-4 ::: :::Well, not exactly, you can assign the exp pedal to effect pre-delay :::time, level, pre-delay modulation (only on the repeats) or loop/direct :::mix. Or all of them at once. You set the knobs one way with the heel up, :::and it remembers them. Then put the toe down and set the knobs any way :::you want, and it remembers them. Then you can 'morph' between the 2 :::sounds. ::: :::Dave Eichenberger :::http://www.hazardfactor.com ::: ::: :::> :::> It works in Loop Mode but only affects the pre-delay. :::> :::> :::> :::And without an expression pedal, the only way to turn the :::> pre echo on or :::off :::is to manually turn the echo's :::> volume up or down. :::> ::: :::> :::I don't know if the expression pedal works in loop mode. Anyone? :::> ::: :::> :::LeonD :::> ::: :::> ::: ::: ::: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 17:33:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h82LTZa17422; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 17:29:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 17:29:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030902212933.20783.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 14:29:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: anyone using Pro Tools? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Jon Wagner wrote: > I've been trying to do the same except using a repeater loop file extracted > from the cfc card on a repeater. Its been off and on, but there are a few > loops over at the repeater user's yahoo group. If anyone wants to do some > of this let me know, and we can start collaborating using seed loops from > each other's repeaters. Its been a fun thing to try doing! FWIW, Jon. I don't know if I ever posted anything about it, but I've had a great time playing with your loops! Much appreciated! Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 18:32:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h82MTFh00419; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 18:29:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 18:29:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030902222908.21815.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 15:29:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: (another) Question about Line6 DL-4 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000001c37192$66c7cd40$01b52b04@purgatory> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My DL4 is starting to misbehave slightly. The reverse/halfspeed button works only when it feels like it. Has anyone else had this problem? Which would be more likely: a bad switch, or something worse? -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 18:38:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h82MZ7I02216; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 18:35:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 18:35:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030902223506.70309.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 15:35:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: (another) Question about Line6 DL-4 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030902222908.21815.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Tim Nelson wrote: > My DL4 is starting to misbehave slightly. The > reverse/halfspeed button works only when it feels like > it. > > Has anyone else had this problem? Which would be more > likely: a bad switch, or something worse? My guess would be dirty contacts in the switch. I don't know how hard those things are to get apart, but my first line of attack would probably be to disassemble until you can get to the switch, then shoot a bit of DeOxit into it. Could also be something simple like a cold or broken solder joint from the switch to the board, so check that while you're in there. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 18:55:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h82Ms4J05777; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 18:54:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 18:54:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.163.129.139] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (another) Question about Line6 DL-4 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 15:53:56 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Sep 2003 22:53:56.0675 (UTC) FILETIME=[170C9930:01C371A5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not entirely unlikely that it's just screws that need tightening. There's a spring contact between the "switch" on the chassis and the actual switch on the printed circuit board. I had a similar Line6 product where one screw holding the pcb in place to the chassis was loose, so the spring contact ends up just pushing the board away rather than engaging the switch (especially when it's on the end of the board like in your case). Opening & tightening could be all it takes. Nic >From: Greg House >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: (another) Question about Line6 DL-4 >Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 15:35:06 -0700 (PDT) > >--- Tim Nelson wrote: > > My DL4 is starting to misbehave slightly. The > > reverse/halfspeed button works only when it feels like > > it. > > > > Has anyone else had this problem? Which would be more > > likely: a bad switch, or something worse? > >My guess would be dirty contacts in the switch. I don't know how hard those >things are to get apart, but my first line of attack would probably be to >disassemble until you can get to the switch, then shoot a bit of DeOxit >into it. > >Could also be something simple like a cold or broken solder joint from the >switch >to the board, so check that while you're in there. > >Greg > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 18:56:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h82Ms9Z05823; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 18:54:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 18:54:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-AMAZON-TRACK: Message-ID: <3F551F86.9090706@rosewoodblues.com> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 15:53:58 -0700 From: Ken Hawkins Reply-To: ken@rosewoodblues.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: Echoplex expression pedal recomendations... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4kOfqD.A.1aB.R-RV_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anyone have a good pedal recomendation? the manula recommends Boss' (roland) 50L. i haev heard not good things about the longetivity of this product and the 300 so i am fishing for a good one to include..... thanks, ken; From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 19:10:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h82N8Ki10366; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:08:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:08:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: (another) Question about Line6 DL-4 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 16:08:12 -0700 Message-ID: <000901c371a7$1588cd70$01b52b04@purgatory> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20030902222908.21815.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had that problem a few times and did a reset (you'll lose any presets that you have saved) to fix it. Some of the boxes are a bit buggy - :::-----Original Message----- :::From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] :::Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 3:29 PM :::To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com :::Subject: (another) Question about Line6 DL-4 ::: :::My DL4 is starting to misbehave slightly. The :::reverse/halfspeed button works only when it feels like :::it. ::: :::Has anyone else had this problem? Which would be more :::likely: a bad switch, or something worse? ::: :::-t- ::: :::__________________________________ :::Do you Yahoo!? :::Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software :::http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ::: ::: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 19:13:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h82N99310613; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:09:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:09:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030902230902.32426.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 16:09:02 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Line6 loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Hamburg wrote: > > * How about longer delay times and a hold feature > for the other delays? It > would be great to use some of the grungier echos on > either Line6 unit as a > form of looper, but I need a way to hold it > occasionally. You can kind of do this with the DL-4. If you're set up in Delay Remain Bypass Mode, you can set feedback to full, go to bypass, & the delay model keep going while you play over the loop. Reengaging the delay kills the loop. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 19:14:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h82NAgf11126; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:10:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:10:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F5524D5.1050902@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 16:16:37 -0700 From: brian tester Reply-To: btester@mindspring.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (another) Question about Line6 DL-4 References: <20030902222908.21815.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030902222908.21815.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've already replaced one switch on my dl4. But it started working just fine after that. Kinda cheap switches, can't stand up to long-term abuse. I'd try replacing the switch. It's very simple. B. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 19:25:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h82NNhv13661; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:23:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:23:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3F551F86.9090706@rosewoodblues.com> References: <3F551F86.9090706@rosewoodblues.com> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 18:23:37 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Echoplex expression pedal recomendations... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >anyone have a good pedal recomendation? the manula recommends Boss' >(roland) 50L. i haev heard not good things about the longetivity of >this product and the 300 so i am fishing for a good one to >include..... I just bought two 300s, so I hope you're info. isn't correct. This pedal was highly recommended to me. But another one I've heard nothing but good things about is the Ernie Ball. I forget the exact model #. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 20:43:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h830ftH13195; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:41:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:41:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Mike Barrs" To: Subject: RE: Echoplex expression pedal recomendations... Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 17:41:40 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-Loop-Detect: 1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Shirkey [mailto:jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 4:24 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Echoplex expression pedal recomendations... > > > >anyone have a good pedal recomendation? the manula recommends Boss' > >(roland) 50L. i haev heard not good things about the longetivity of > >this product and the 300 so i am fishing for a good one to > >include..... > > I just bought two 300s, so I hope you're info. isn't correct. This > pedal was highly recommended to me. > > But another one I've heard nothing but good things about is the Ernie > Ball. I forget the exact model #. I use a Boss FV-300L as a master volume control, downstream from my Repeater and ahead of my powered PA speakers. I've had zero problems with it, but then I don't really work it that much in this application. It's a set and forget thing. Anyway, no problems so far. Mike Barrs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 20:56:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h830sU916637; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:54:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:54:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 19:47:53 -0500 Subject: WTB: Digitech RDS 7.6 Time Machine From: ":: noise ::" To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200308260325.h7Q3Pqb05598@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello - A week ago, my long time RDS 7.6 looper started emitting a terrible fizzy shreech and appears to have died a terrible death. Does anyone on the list happen to have a Digitech RDS 7.6 they would be willing to sell? Cosmetics aren't important but functionality is. Please contact me off-list... Thanks Adam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 00:29:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h834RDT32059; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 00:27:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 00:27:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 21:27:24 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Subject: repeater theater From: Zoe Keating To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h834RCW32034 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Loopers, Perhaps of interest to some, and dead boring to others... I'm creating music for a show in this year's SF Fringe Festival. In addition to the usual looped cello-schtick, I'll have a second Repeater to capture pieces of text spoken in the show by performer Sara Kraft. And if the stars are aligned, my midi pedal will trigger a video camera to capture her movements for video artist Greg Cowley to loop and manipulate in real-time (Oh I pray it all works. The show runs for 8 nights, so we might have things more stable after the first night). Here are the details.... COUNTLESS A theatrical, musical, and cinematic lucid dream on the joy of repetition Best of SF Fringe 2002 winner Sara Kraft (Woods for the Trees) returns to the festival with a brand new venue and two new collaborators: cellist and composer Zoë Keating (Rasputina, Charles Atlas) and electronic media artist Gregory Cowley (Transcinema, TEST). Rx Gallery hosts this collision of physical theatre, live music, multi-media and interactive technology. COUNTLESS fuses Kraft’s hypnotic movement, stories and song with Keating’s live, electronically looped cello orchestrations and Cowley’s projected manipulations of photography, video and live interactive technology. Ed Purver, Kraft's co-conspirator in "Woods for the Trees", also makes a special guest appearance! COUNTLESS will be the first live performance event to inaugurate the newly opened Rx Gallery (www.rxgallery.com). Rx is a new media art gallery and lounge founded by renowned art and technology organization Blasthaus (www.blasthaus.com) with Gregory Cowley. Rx is also currently featuring “The Art of Machines”, an exhibit of machine artists, sculptors and roboticists. Sept. 5, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14 All shows at 8:30pm EXCEPT Saturday shows at 10:00pm At Rx Gallery (www.rxgallery.com) 132 Eddy St. btwn Taylor and Mason, downtown San Francisco Near the Powell St. BART station and three doors down from the Exit Theatre, which hosts the Fringe Festival. Tickets $8.00 and available only at the venue beginning 30 minutes before show times. CASH ONLY. Limited reservations accepted. Fringe Festival passes are available at the EXIT venues and at TIX Bay Area at Union Square beginning August 22 ($55 for ten Fringe shows). All shows start on time and there is no late seating. Reservations and info: (415) 282-8525 Festival hotline: (415) 647-3847 www.zoekeating.com/countless or www.sffringe.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 00:54:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h834qID03341; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 00:52:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 00:52:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 00:35:18 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: CyberArts: Here and Now @Bates Arts Center, Boston opening 9.6.03 Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, DrTVideo@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, electrons@cardhouse.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, collision-collusion@ai.mit.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <77fgyD.A.F0.COXV_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I have several video installations, including one with music composed by Stephen MacLean, at the CyberArts: Here and Now show at the Bates Arts Center 731 Harrison Ave, Boston MA 02118 www.homeinc.org/Bates.htm for directions The show also includes print, sculpture , video art and animation by Walter Wright and Dave Gordon. The show runs from 9.1.03 to 9.30.03. There will be a series of Saturday Night performances, including one by myself and some of my favorite musicians on 9.13. The opening is on 9.6 at 6PM, and there will be a performance (VideoJAM 2003) by Walter Wright and musicians at 8PM. I'll send an announcement with more details on the performances later in the week. Hope to see some of you at the opening, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 07:54:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h83Bqt105384; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 07:52:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 07:52:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: AirFX vs. AirSynth (Alesis) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 07:52:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C37211.E809C230" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C37211.E809C230 Content-Type: text/plain It is hard to tell what the difference is based on their website and my local music store doesn't carry both models. Would someone care to enlighten me? Thanks! Don M ------_=_NextPart_001_01C37211.E809C230 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable AirFX vs. AirSynth (Alesis)

It is hard to tell what the difference is based on = their website and my local music store doesn't carry both models. Would = someone care to enlighten me?

Thanks!

Don M

------_=_NextPart_001_01C37211.E809C230-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 08:42:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h83Cdel14820; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 08:39:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 08:39:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: AirFX vs. AirSynth (Alesis) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 08:39:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C37218.6D0AED00" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C37218.6D0AED00 Content-Type: text/plain Yeah yeah, answering my own question. It looks to me (upon further inspection) that the AirFX is used to modify a signal that is inputed into it, whereas an AirSynth produces it's own tone (like a theremin). The common denominator between the two is the similar case and the infrared beam - otherwise they are markedly different tools. Am I on the right path? -DM -----Original Message----- From: Don Makoviney [mailto:don.makoviney@asg.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 7:53 AM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: AirFX vs. AirSynth (Alesis) It is hard to tell what the difference is based on their website and my local music store doesn't carry both models. Would someone care to enlighten me? Thanks! Don M ------_=_NextPart_001_01C37218.6D0AED00 Content-Type: text/html Message
Yeah yeah, answering my own question.
 
It looks to me (upon further inspection) that the AirFX is used to modify a signal that is inputed into it, whereas an AirSynth produces it's own tone (like a theremin).
 
The common denominator between the two is the similar case and the infrared beam - otherwise they are markedly different tools.
 
Am I on the right path?
 
-DM
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Makoviney [mailto:don.makoviney@asg.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 7:53 AM
To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'
Subject: AirFX vs. AirSynth (Alesis)

It is hard to tell what the difference is based on their website and my local music store doesn't carry both models. Would someone care to enlighten me?

Thanks!

Don M

------_=_NextPart_001_01C37218.6D0AED00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 09:14:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h83DBwu22942; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 09:11:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 09:11:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F55E89C.E87EE4C2@pa.msu.edu> Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 09:11:56 -0400 From: John McIntyre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians, new tools=new results References: <000d01c37161$1eec87d0$7f613d44@soulfruit> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Will Brake wrote: > With the energy on stage, it is really easy to rush/drag the tempo, even > if you have great timing. I've seen some really incredible drummers > start a song with too fast a tempo and it's a gallop to the finish! Supposedly, when the Clash set out on their first headlining tour of England, they began with a forty-five minute set. By the end of the tour, without altering the set list, they were off stage in twenty-nine minutes. John McIntyre mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 09:14:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h83DCKK23142; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 09:12:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 09:12:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-3.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1062594692!1893243 X-StarScan-Version: 5.0.7; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB4F6@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: biffoz@arczip.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Question about Line6 DL-4 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:07:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3721C.64078110" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3721C.64078110 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>The pre-delay is just that. A delay to use before the looper so it gets recorded into the loop<< it also appears to have been based on the "tape" emulation, this pre-delay, so scored extra points in my house.... duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3721C.64078110 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Question about Line6 DL-4

>>The pre-delay is just that. A delay to use before= the looper so it gets
recorded into the loop<<

it also appears to have been based on the "tape"= ; emulation, this pre-delay, so scored extra points in my house....

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C3721C.64078110-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 09:43:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h83DdVK27718; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 09:39:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 09:39:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <2437.159.247.128.172.1062596374.squirrel@stuff.hrnoc.net> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 09:39:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Music of Looping Interest on NPR From: wavelet@petebrunelli.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Scan-Signature: df4782e84760c9dda9311cdcb24f67f1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This week's American Mavericks show was about Minimalists and was titled "To Repeat or not Repeat, That is the Question" and I think it is something that would be of interest to the real-time looping community at large. It typically runs early in the week, but you might catch it or want to stream it. http://www.musicmavericks.org/ No pecuniary interest on my part, just passing a link along. Pete From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 10:36:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h83EVES06382; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 10:31:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 10:31:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-13.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1062598961!1965142 X-StarScan-Version: 5.0.7; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB4FC@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: AirFX vs. AirSynth (Alesis) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 15:19:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C37226.5365A580" Resent-Message-ID: <5YerQ.A.ojB.ysfV_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C37226.5365A580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> Yeah yeah, answering my own question. It looks to me (upon further inspection) that the AirFX is used to modify a signal that is inputed into it, whereas an AirSynth produces it's own tone (like a theremin). The common denominator between the two is the similar case and the infrared beam - otherwise they are markedly different tools. Am I on the right path? << on the right path, facing the right way and moving steadily at the right speed. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C37226.5365A580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Message
 >> Yeah yeah, answering my own question.
 
It looks to me (upon further inspection) that the AirFX is used to modify a signal that is inputed into it, whereas an AirSynth produces it's own tone (like a theremin).
 
The common denominator between the two is the similar case and the infrared beam - otherwise they are markedly different tools.
 
Am I on the right path? << 
 
on the right path, facing the right way and moving steadily at the right speed.
 
duncan.


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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C37226.5365A580-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 10:40:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h83EdKs07855; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 10:39:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 10:39:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-2.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1062599312!1898043 X-StarScan-Version: 5.0.7; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB4FD@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Line6 loopers Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 15:24:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C37227.1A837660" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C37227.1A837660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>You can kind of do this with the DL-4. If you're set up in Delay Remain Bypass Mode, you can set feedback to full, go to bypass, & the delay model keep going while you play over the loop. Reengaging the delay kills the loop.<< in a perfect world, this wouldn't stop the knobs and pedal working. sadly, it does. slightly OT- I am thinking of designing a retrofit to the dl4 to allow midi clock to perform the tap-tempo function; this seems to be the least invasive approach to getting the dl4 midi-clocked whilst remaining on the floor and handily manipulable in a stomp-box sort of way. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C37227.1A837660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Line6 loopers

>>You can kind of do this with the DL-4. If you're<= /FONT>
set up in Delay Remain Bypass Mode, you can set
feedback to full, go to bypass, & the delay model
keep going while you play over the loop. Reengaging
the delay kills the loop.<<

in a perfect world, this wouldn't stop the knobs and peda= l working. sadly, it does.

slightly OT- I am thinking of designing a retrofit to the= dl4 to allow midi clock to perform the tap-tempo function; this seems to b= e the least invasive approach to getting the dl4 midi-clocked whilst remain= ing on the floor and handily manipulable in a stomp-box sort of way.=

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C37227.1A837660-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 11:43:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h83FeuF20294; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 11:40:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 11:40:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Realplayer (was--RE: Music of Looping Interest on NPR) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 08:40:46 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <2437.159.247.128.172.1062596374.squirrel@stuff.hrnoc.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Any way to listen to a .ram file in oh say Sound Forge (or WMP)? Gary -----Original Message----- From: wavelet@petebrunelli.com [mailto:wavelet@petebrunelli.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 6:40 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Music of Looping Interest on NPR This week's American Mavericks show was about Minimalists and was titled "To Repeat or not Repeat, That is the Question" and I think it is something that would be of interest to the real-time looping community at large. It typically runs early in the week, but you might catch it or want to stream it. http://www.musicmavericks.org/ No pecuniary interest on my part, just passing a link along. Pete From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 12:33:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h83GVJl31592; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 12:31:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 12:31:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JustinFobes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 12:31:03 EDT Subject: Re: Line6 loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_b9.35d18f57.2c877147_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_b9.35d18f57.2c877147_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone having a high pitched whine on the DL4 when loop is engaged in half speed mode? Mine does it intermittently . . . -Justin http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Justin_Fobes/ --part1_b9.35d18f57.2c877147_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone having a high pitched whine on the DL4 when loo= p is engaged in half speed mode?

Mine does it intermittently . . .

-Justin

http://artists.= iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Justin_Fobes/ --part1_b9.35d18f57.2c877147_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 14:37:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h83IYMD19640; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:34:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:34:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <34.3e9e692d.2c878e24@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:34:12 EDT Subject: Re: Music of Looping Interest on NPR To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h83IYLW19615 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Pete, Thanks for posting this!!! The PRI station in my area doesn't carry American Mavericks but I have heard of it before. I was able to log on and stream program #6 (not the repetition program, but one addressing nonwestern influences on new western musics and composers). It was quite a treat! I plan on checking in on it again and hope that the program you cited (#8) will be available for streaming soon. Wouldn't it be great if they made not only the radio series but a PBS video series out of this? Wow! Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html In a message dated 9/3/03 6:39:52 AM, wavelet@petebrunelli.com writes: >This week's American Mavericks show was about Minimalists and was >titled "To Repeat or not Repeat, That is the Question" and I think it is >something that would be of interest to the real-time looping community >at large. It typically runs early in the week, but you might catch it or >want to stream it. > >http://www.musicmavericks.org/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 15:05:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h83IxXn25659; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:59:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:59:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030903185926.44582.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 11:59:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: AirFX vs. AirSynth (Alesis) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com AirFX is an effects unit that treats a signal passing through it. AirSynth generates its own sounds, and the interface varies depending on the patch. Some of the theremin-like patches are ok, as are some of the drony ones. The percussive ones are not so great... It's not editable, unfortunately. -t- --- Don Makoviney wrote: > It is hard to tell what the difference is based on > their website and my > local music store doesn't carry both models. Would > someone care to enlighten > me? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 15:37:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h83JWvU31432; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 15:32:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 15:32:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b201c37252$2b373930$41b179a5@sipapu> Reply-To: "James Lanpheer" From: "James Lanpheer" To: Subject: MaJaLe house concerts in Denver. Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 13:32:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AF_01C3721F.DF75D560" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: b1baf93441b2c77671639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da9404edfb11ced9172e32cd35d64333b382f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AF_01C3721F.DF75D560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A little gig spam for a concert that i am hosting... In my continuing support for ambient/deep listening/looping artists, i = will be hosting two nights of house concerts in my home this Friday and = Saturday, September 5th and 6th featuring the electronic tribal = minimalism of MaJaLe. Paul Vnuk and Christopher Short are known for their exploits both in the = genre of "space music" where the have worked with Steve Roach, Robert = Rich, Vir Unis, James Johnson, etc..... Of course, they are also known = for their critically acclaimed looping libraries. For more info on = MaJaLe, check out: www.majale.com Space is limited to 25 per night, and we have a few spots available for = each night. Tix are $20 for a spot. If interested, please email me = OFF-LIST at jlanpheer@earthlink.net cheers, jim. ------=_NextPart_000_00AF_01C3721F.DF75D560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A little gig spam for a concert that i = am=20 hosting...
 
In my continuing support for = ambient/deep=20 listening/looping artists, i will be hosting two nights of house = concerts in my=20 home this Friday and Saturday, September 5th and 6th featuring the = electronic=20 tribal minimalism of MaJaLe.
 
Paul Vnuk and Christopher Short are = known for their=20 exploits both in the genre of "space music" where the have worked with = Steve=20 Roach, Robert Rich, Vir Unis, James Johnson, etc.....  Of course, = they are=20 also known for their critically acclaimed looping libraries.  For = more info=20 on MaJaLe, check out:
 
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------=_NextPart_000_00AF_01C3721F.DF75D560-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 17:51:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h83Lm4p25733; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 17:48:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 17:48:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006601c37235$0ad573e0$be21c151@nuno> From: "Nuno Climaco Pinto" To: References: <000801c3715f$9fdc90d0$7f613d44@soulfruit> <00be01c37163$534f1ae0$6501a8c0@ldroby> Subject: Re: Question about Line6 DL-4 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 17:04:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 02-09-2003), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is false .You can control de eco pro with a expression pedal, or a midi pedal. ----- Original Message ----- From: "LeonD" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 4:03 PM Subject: Re: Question about Line6 DL-4 > And without an expression pedal, the only way to turn the pre echo on or off > is to manually turn the echo's volume up or down. > > I don't know if the expression pedal works in loop mode. Anyone? > > LeonD > > > > > Well, if I read it right, the pre-delay of up to 800 ms will allow for a > > delay of your dry signal BEFORE it is received by the delay. I don't > > believe you have access to it other than as a pre-delay. Other > > time-based effects have this feature and all of them work this way. > > > > It does seem a bit confusing. I've never had use for it on the DL4, so > > I'm not completely sure if it functions this way. Try it! > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 20:05:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8402EQ22084; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 20:02:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 20:02:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 20:02:17 -0400 Subject: Re: Music of Looping Interest on NPR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: wavelet To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <34.3e9e692d.2c878e24@aol.com> Message-Id: <0BD037DA-DE6B-11D7-847A-000393B560D0@petebrunelli.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h8402BW22051 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ted, Stream program #8 here: http://www.musicmavericks.org/programs/program8.html I'm glad that you found it interesting. I am going to work my way through these shows bit by bit. Pete On Wednesday, Sep 3, 2003, at 14:34 US/Eastern, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Pete, > > Thanks for posting this!!! The PRI station in my area doesn't > carry American Mavericks but I have heard of it before. > I was able to log on and stream program #6 (not the repetition > program, but one addressing nonwestern influences on new > western musics and composers). It was quite a treat! I plan > on checking in on it again and hope that the program you cited > (#8) will be available for streaming soon. Wouldn't it be great > if they made not only the radio series but a PBS video series > out of this? Wow! > > Best, > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > > > In a message dated 9/3/03 6:39:52 AM, wavelet@petebrunelli.com writes: > >> This week's American Mavericks show was about Minimalists and was >> titled "To Repeat or not Repeat, That is the Question" and I think >> it is >> something that would be of interest to the real-time looping community >> at large. It typically runs early in the week, but you might catch >> it or >> want to stream it. >> >> http://www.musicmavericks.org/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 4 03:30:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h847SPB17877; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 03:28:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 03:28:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000601c372b5$ba0a7380$bc6afe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: Subject: Echoplex noise problem Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 02:04:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F2_01C37288.CFA32480" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F2_01C37288.CFA32480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, my old Echoplex developed a minor fault during the past couple of = months. Independent from the chosen delay time, it starts to produce = sort of a metallic "ring" after a while, slightly reminiscent of a short = delay generated in a flanger but without being modulated by a sinewave. = Is this a common problem, and if so, what=B4s the solution for it? Does = anybody on the list have similiar problems? please reply off-list as I currently have a problem with reading the = digest. Thanks, Stephen. ------=_NextPart_000_00F2_01C37288.CFA32480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
 
my old Echoplex developed a minor fault = during the=20 past couple of months. Independent from the chosen delay time, it starts = to=20 produce sort of a metallic "ring" after a while, slightly reminiscent of = a short=20 delay generated in a flanger but without being modulated by a sinewave. = Is this=20 a common problem, and if so, what=B4s the solution for it? Does anybody = on the=20 list have similiar problems?
 
please reply off-list as I currently = have a problem=20 with reading the digest. Thanks,
 
Stephen.
------=_NextPart_000_00F2_01C37288.CFA32480-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 4 09:41:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h84DbUt13205; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 09:37:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 09:37:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 09:07:18 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: learning to play perfectly to a click track To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight-d@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003301c372e9$aa89a640$1912be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200309031314.h83DExR23705@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick Walker and I have been tossing some e-mails cross-country off list, and Rick suggested I post this explanation of how "rhythm is pitch slowed down." Rick wrote: > > explain to me how rhythm is pitch slowed down? I don't follow you and > I"m > > also always open to understand a new paradigm. And I replied: > Simple demonstration: A pulse wave at 1,000 cycles per second sounds > like a pitch. Slow it down to around 30 c.p.s. and it sounds like a motor. > Around 20 c.p.s. it starts to sound like a cicada - dit-dit-dit-dit - and by > 10 c.p.s. it sounds like a rapid click. At three or four cycles per second, > it sounds like an even rhythm - click, click, click at 180 beats per minute. > Make the rhythm more complex - click-duh-dum, click-duh-dum, click-duh-dum - > and speed it up and it goes through the same transformation into pitch, > except the complexity generates all sorts of buzzy overtones. > Sine waves can't be heard at low frequencies (below 20 c.p.s.), but you > can see them move a speaker cone in and out. And of course they can be used > to modulate a higher frequency, as in ring modulators or frequency > modulation synthesis (Yamaha's FM synthesis as made popular on the DX-7 > keyboard.) > Two examples of this pitch-to-rhythm sound come to mind: Stockhausen > used it in one of his big pee-owpieces - the name escapes me - where a pitch > drops and drops until it becomes a series of clicks. And Edgar Winter, in > "Frankenstein," drops an oscillator down and down, then throws an envelope > follower on it for that pee-ow-pee-ow-pee-ow bullet-through-a-tennis-racket > sound, which gets slower and slower until the drums pick up on it, and it > leads into the drum solo... Brand new insert here, inspired by Rick's observation that he hears a similar effect when he slows his Repeater way down (120 b.p.s. to 1 b.p.s., ferinstance): Digital sound slowed down creates a similar effect, but for a different reason. In the digital world, the pitch remains the same, but it st-tu-ut-stutters as bits of silence get inserted between bits of sound. The bits of sound effectively become like pulse waves, but it's not the same as slowing down an analog signal. > My take on all this is, we percieve certain cycles as "life cycles." > Once around the sun, twelve moons around the Earth, 365 long naps. Other > cycles feel like biological cycles. Coupla dumps and pisses every day, three > meals a day, a breath every few seconds, waves at the beach. Our heartbeat > roughly defines the limits of musical rhythm at about 60 to 180 beats per > minute. We sense these slower rhythms in our bodies, then our sense organs > take over. Rhythm becomes pitch, which we sense with our ears. Beyond sound, > waves become the various spectra of light, one octave of which we see as > visible light. > Hope this helps. > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 4 10:46:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h84EhDf26756; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:43:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:43:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-22.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1062686541!2014389 X-StarScan-Version: 5.0.7; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB511@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Line6 loopers Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 15:38:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C372F2.3A2EE5F0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. 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yeah- it's down-sampling or aliasing or something. it doesn't do it with everything, but it's much worse with other digital pedals before it- I guess that stands to reason.
 
d. 


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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C372F2.3A2EE5F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 4 11:35:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h84FUuC03726; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 11:30:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 11:30:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JustinFobes@aol.com Message-ID: <23.345b2743.2c88b487@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 11:30:15 EDT Subject: Re: Line6 loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_23.345b2743.2c88b487_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_23.345b2743.2c88b487_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/4/03 9:43:39 AM Central Daylight Time, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com writes: > > >> Anyone having a high pitched whine on the DL4 when loop is engaged in > half speed mode? << > > yeah- it's down-sampling or aliasing or something. it doesn't do it with > everything, but it's much worse with other digital pedals before it- I guess > that stands to reason. > > d. > Well, I was able to find that it's happening only in certain rooms that I perform in, especially the one I was in last night! But across town the night before it only happened 50% of the time, and I'm guessing that tonight should be 0% given my experiences here last week. I cannot pinpoint it! Perhaps there's some eletrical line interference, like a 60hz hum that manifests itself as a whine through some built in digital filter in the DL4 or something? I really want this to stop! -Justin http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Justin_Fobes/ --part1_23.345b2743.2c88b487_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 9/4/03 9:43:39 AM Central Daylight=20= Time, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com writes:


 >> Anyone having a high pitched whine on the DL= 4 when loop is engaged in half speed mode? <<
 
yeah- it's down-sampling or=20= aliasing or something. it doesn't do it with everything, but it's much worse= with other digital pedals before it- I guess that stands to reason.<= FONT COLOR=3D"#0000ff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY= =3D"FIXED" FACE=3D"Courier New" LANG=3D"0">
 
d.


Well, I was able to find that it's happening only in certain rooms that I pe= rform in, especially the one I was in last night!  But across town the=20= night before it only happened 50% of the time, and I'm guessing that tonight= should be 0% given my experiences here last week.  I cannot pinpoint i= t!  Perhaps there's some eletrical line interference, like a 60hz hum t= hat manifests itself as a whine through some built in digital filter in the=20= DL4 or something?   I really want this to stop!

-Justin
http://artists.= iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Justin_Fobes/ --part1_23.345b2743.2c88b487_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 4 14:49:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h84IiWl07302; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 14:44:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 14:44:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 11:44:25 -0700 Subject: Re: learning to play perfectly to a click track Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 6ddb1b32 aee23e9e b0af9641 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <003301c372e9$aa89a640$1912be18@oemcomputer> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <8ktfgB.A.6xB.Qg4V_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sound never becomes light. Sound is kinetic energy and light is electromagnetic energy. http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect/light/spectrum.html I've done the pulse to pitch experiment and it's interesting, but I don't really think it has a lot to do with being able to keep tempo. As far as that is concerned, you've just got to practice practice practice... and being able to hear everyone in the group. Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 06:07 AM, Douglas Baldwin wrote: >> Rhythm becomes pitch, which we sense with our ears. Beyond > sound, waves become the various spectra of light, one octave of which > we see as >> visible light. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 4 16:12:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h84K8Kd23086; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 16:08:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 16:08:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030904200813.9284.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 13:08:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: learning to play perfectly to a click track To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- msottilaro wrote: > practice... and being able to hear everyone in the > group. Why is it so important to hear everyone in the group if loopers are all solipsists anyway? 8^P -t- (that emoticon thing means I'm kidding!!!) Gonna go take apart my DL4 now... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 4 16:29:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h84KD9a23930; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 16:13:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 16:13:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030904200813.9284.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030904200813.9284.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 15:13:10 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: learning to play perfectly to a click track Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Why is it so important to hear everyone in the group >if loopers are all solipsists anyway? 8^P dontcha mean sole-loop-sists? ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 4 16:38:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h84KXRr27581; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 16:33:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 16:33:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008d01c37323$c894f240$77b379a5@sipapu> Reply-To: "James Lanpheer" From: "James Lanpheer" To: References: Subject: Sound DOES become light... (was click track something or other....) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 14:33:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: b1baf93441b2c77671639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da940306d792736ea8026464cf3a60e881054350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Au contraire.... Ultimately light can be made from sound, and its called sonoluminescence. Here's an article from a few years back on it that i had referenced. There are probably more. "Reality" breeds illusion or "maya" and ultimately "all" come from the "one" as science gets closer and closer to verifying that age-old mystical truth. http://www.sciencenews.org/sn_arch/4_29_95/note1.asp cheers, jim. ----- Original Message ----- From: "msottilaro" To: Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 12:44 PM Subject: Re: learning to play perfectly to a click track > Sound never becomes light. Sound is kinetic energy and light is > electromagnetic energy. > > http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect/light/spectrum.html > > I've done the pulse to pitch experiment and it's interesting, but I > don't really think it has a lot to do with being able to keep tempo. > As far as that is concerned, you've just got to practice practice > practice... and being able to hear everyone in the group. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 06:07 AM, Douglas Baldwin wrote: > > >> Rhythm becomes pitch, which we sense with our ears. Beyond > > sound, waves become the various spectra of light, one octave of which > > we see as > >> visible light. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 5 00:18:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h854GQF02955; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 00:16:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 00:16:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <11c.25d7700d.2c896811@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 00:16:17 EDT Subject: Re: Line6 loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_11c.25d7700d.2c896811_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_11c.25d7700d.2c896811_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could be other digital gear radiating a high frequency that's getting inducted into your unit somehow. That might explain the intermittant appearance of the problem- are there differnet assortments of gear in the places you're playing, or just your same rig?You could try those "toroid" round thingies that you wrap your audio cable (I'd try the input cable) through a few times- that's supposed to "buck" some kinds of interference. Toroid cores are cheap and should be in your tool kit. I once had one of the first ART digital reverbs, and this thing radiated so much hash, I had to re-arrange my rack a couple times. The grounded metal chassis of the thing didn't stop the radiated crap very well. Tim F In a message dated 9/4/03 8:31:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, JustinFobes@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 9/4/03 9:43:39 AM Central Daylight Time, > goddard.duncan@mtvne.com writes: > > >> >> >>Anyone having a high pitched whine on the DL4 when loop is engaged in >> half speed mode? << >> >> yeah- it's down-sampling or aliasing or something. it doesn't do it with >> everything, but it's much worse with other digital pedals before it- I guess >> that stands to reason. >> >> d. >> > > Well, I was able to find that it's happening only in certain rooms that I > perform in, especially the one I was in last night! But across town the night > before it only happened 50% of the time, and I'm guessing that tonight should > be 0% given my experiences here last week. I cannot pinpoint it! Perhaps > there's some eletrical line interference, like a 60hz hum that manifests > itself as a whine through some built in digital filter in the DL4 or something? > I really want this to stop! > > -Justin > http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Justin_Fobes/ --part1_11c.25d7700d.2c896811_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Could be other digital gear radiating a high frequency= that's getting inducted into your unit somehow. That might explain the inte= rmittant appearance of the problem- are there differnet assortments of gear=20= in the places you're playing, or just your same rig?You could try those "tor= oid" round thingies that you wrap your audio cable (I'd try the input cable)= through a few times- that's supposed to "buck" some kinds of interference.=20= Toroid cores are cheap and should be in your tool kit. I once had one of the= first ART digital reverbs, and this thing radiated so much hash, I had to r= e-arrange my rack a couple times. The grounded metal chassis of the thing di= dn't stop the radiated crap very well.

Tim F


In a message dated 9/4/03 8:31:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, JustinFobes@aol.= com writes:

In a message dated 9/4/03 9:43:= 39 AM Central Daylight Time, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com writes:


>>Anyone having a high pitched whine on the DL4 w= hen loop is engaged in half speed mode? <<

yeah- it's down-sampling or=20= aliasing or something. it doesn't do it with everything, but it's much worse= with other digital pedals before it- I guess that stands to reason.<= FONT COLOR=3D"#0000ff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY= =3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">

d.


Well, I was able to find that it's happening only in certain rooms that I pe= rform in, especially the one I was in last night!  But across town the=20= night before it only happened 50% of the time, and I'm guessing that tonight= should be 0% given my experiences here last week.  I cannot pinpoint i= t!  Perhaps there's some eletrical line interference, like a 60hz hum t= hat manifests itself as a whine through some built in digital filter in the=20= DL4 or something?   I really want this to stop!

-Justin
http://artists.= iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Justin_Fobes/


--part1_11c.25d7700d.2c896811_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 5 01:03:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h854sOK08972; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 00:54:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 00:54:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.148.232.103] X-Originating-Email: [mucero@msn.com] From: "Amy Mucero" To: Subject: Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 21:54:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0301_01C3732F.1A9D27F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 21:54:24 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Sep 2003 04:54:18.0126 (UTC) FILETIME=[C343B2E0:01C37369] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0301_01C3732F.1A9D27F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would like to post an add =20 Bass player looking to purchase a used 12 string Warr Guitar Please = email with info thr3efoldbooking@yahoo.com or mucero@msn.com ------=_NextPart_000_0301_01C3732F.1A9D27F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0301_01C3732F.1A9D27F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 5 01:27:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h855GnD13003; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 01:16:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 01:16:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 01:16:43 -0400 Message-ID: <002401c3736c$e537d6d0$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01C3734B.5E2636D0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C3734B.5E2636D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Umm, what? Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: Amy Mucero [mailto:mucero@msn.com] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 12:54 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: I would like to post an add Bass player looking to purchase a used 12 string Warr Guitar Please email with info thr3efoldbooking@yahoo.com or mucero@msn.com ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C3734B.5E2636D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C3734B.5E2636D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 5 03:39:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h857UED30964; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 03:30:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 03:30:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F583A53.43143128@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 00:25:07 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Radio co-host/New Album Preview Spam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8k3ww.A.sjH.GuDW_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com O folks, It seems I've been invited to co-host an upcoming online radio program this Monday night, for a show called None Radio: http://www.noneradio.com It's a wildly eclectic program, usually hosted by Mike Keneally (musician and composer extroardinaire) and Rich Pike (a very funny and intelligent guy with immensely big ears and eclectic taste in music). Mike won't be available this upcoming Monday, but there will be two or three other folks filling in, of whom it seems I'll be one. The show starts at 9:00 PM California time and is streamed live on Monday night, with repeat broadcasts happening throughout the week. Don't know what I'll be bringing along to play, but I'm sure there'll be some plugging and playing for/from my forthcoming Echoplex-filled solo CD (which is back from the pressing plant as of this afternoon, and should be on sale within the next week or so), and possibly some other looped material as well... Tune in if you're at all intrigued, --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 5 04:20:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8589oU05049; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 04:09:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 04:09:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: RE: Radio co-host/New Album Preview Spam Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 10:10:03 +0200 Message-ID: <001401c37385$1c118260$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3F583A53.43143128@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: <0-9bQ.A.zOB.OTEW_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Andre, no surprise you got invited to co-host this programme. I listened to it recently (when Zappa vaultmeister Joe Travers and Keneally bass player Bryan Beller were in the show), and there were a few LaFosse tunes on the playlist! Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de > -----Original Message----- > From: Andre LaFosse [mailto:altruist@earthlink.net] > Sent: Freitag, 5. September 2003 09:25 > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Radio co-host/New Album Preview Spam > > > O folks, > > It seems I've been invited to co-host an upcoming online radio program > this Monday night, for a show called None Radio: > > http://www.noneradio.com > > It's a wildly eclectic program, usually hosted by Mike Keneally > (musician and composer extroardinaire) and Rich Pike (a very funny and > intelligent guy with immensely big ears and eclectic taste in music). > Mike won't be available this upcoming Monday, but there will be two or > three other folks filling in, of whom it seems I'll be one. > > The show starts at 9:00 PM California time and is streamed live on > Monday night, with repeat broadcasts happening throughout the week. > Don't know what I'll be bringing along to play, but I'm sure > there'll be > some plugging and playing for/from my forthcoming Echoplex-filled solo > CD (which is back from the pressing plant as of this afternoon, and > should be on sale within the next week or so), and possibly some other > looped material as well... > > Tune in if you're at all intrigued, > > --Andre LaFosse > The Echoplex Analysis Pages: > http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 5 08:08:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h85C0Xu05734; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 08:00:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 08:00:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-23.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1062763203!2067473 X-StarScan-Version: 5.0.7; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB518@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Sound DOES become light... (was click track something or othe r....) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 12:56:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C373A4.BA9D5610" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C373A4.BA9D5610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Ultimately light can be made from sound, and its called sonoluminescence.<< not really the same thing, but I recently had an accident with some white noise and a jbl eon that resulted in actual visible light coming out of the aperture where HF is normally supposed to emerge. the speaker survived this cooking. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. 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>>Ultimately light can be made from sound, and its = called sonoluminescence.<<

not really the same thing, but I recently had an accident= with some white noise and a jbl eon that resulted in actual visible light = coming out of the aperture where HF is normally supposed to emerge. the spe= aker survived this cooking.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C373A4.BA9D5610-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 5 09:36:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h85DTUQ20620; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 09:29:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 09:29:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 09:26:20 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: learning to play perfectly to a click track To: msottilaro , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005d01c373b1$b9a352c0$1912be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Sound never becomes light. Sound is kinetic energy and light is > electromagnetic energy. > > http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect/light/spectrum.html > > I've done the pulse to pitch experiment and it's interesting, but I > don't really think it has a lot to do with being able to keep tempo. > As far as that is concerned, you've just got to practice practice > practice... and being able to hear everyone in the group. Hey Marky Mark! Seems James Lampheer has the goods to deliver the "all is one" argument (see his thread "Sound DOES Become Light..."). But I'm taking my asbestos suit out of the closet and relearning Johnny Cash's "Ring of Fire" anyway...... ;-) My point re. "rhythm is pich made slow" is that just as one might use an electronic tuner to improve one's sense of pitch and make oneself more sensitive to subtle variations in pitch, so one might use a metronome to improve one's sense of rhythm. Electronic tuners generate a reliable standard of pitch; metronomes generate a reliable standard of rhythm. We may "tune" our tuning chops just as we may "tune" our rhythmic chops. Drummers who think that metronomes make their playing too stiff belong in bands with guitarists who think that tuners make their guitars too stale. And rhythm is pitch made slow... And the universe is the manifestation of one vibration. Maya is one huge overtone series, of which we get to experience one little pie-slice. All is bliss, all is bliss................... Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 5 10:45:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h85Eb6D32427; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 10:37:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 10:37:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 07:37:18 -0700 Subject: Re: Sound DOES become light... (was click track something or othe r....) Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB518@LON-MAIL07> Message-Id: <732F2180-DFAE-11D7-8759-000393D2D09E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I guess you guys are right. I can also ask my wife to turn on a light and the sound waves cause her to do it. I guess sound can turn into light. Mark Sottilaro On Friday, September 5, 2003, at 04:56 AM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >>Ultimately light can be made from sound, and its called > sonoluminescence.<< > > not really the same thing, but I recently had an accident with some > white noise and a jbl eon that resulted in actual visible light coming > out of the aperture where HF is normally supposed to emerge. the > speaker survived this cooking. > > duncan. > > > > *********************************************************************** > **** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also > be privileged. 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Any views or opinions expressed in this > e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily > represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, > nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. > > MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from > external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct > and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. > > MTV Networks Europe > *********************************************************************** > **** From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 5 10:53:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h85EkMM01560; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 10:46:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 10:46:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030905144620.84240.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 07:46:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Line6 loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <11c.25d7700d.2c896811@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It could also be a shielding issue within the Line6 box (ie, it's receiving the RF trash and processing it). Or could it be a problem with differing line voltages? I've seen that vary considerably between locations and every once in awhile a piece of gear will do odd things if the voltage is too far out. Greg --- Fsksync@aol.com wrote: > Could be other digital gear radiating a high frequency that's getting > inducted into your unit somehow. That might explain the intermittant appearance > of > the problem- are there differnet assortments of gear in the places you're > playing, or just your same rig?You could try those "toroid" round thingies that > you > wrap your audio cable (I'd try the input cable) through a few times- that's > supposed to "buck" some kinds of interference. Toroid cores are cheap and > should > be in your tool kit. I once had one of the first ART digital reverbs, and > this thing radiated so much hash, I had to re-arrange my rack a couple times. > The > grounded metal chassis of the thing didn't stop the radiated crap very well. > > Tim F > > > In a message dated 9/4/03 8:31:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > JustinFobes@aol.com writes: > > > In a message dated 9/4/03 9:43:39 AM Central Daylight Time, > > goddard.duncan@mtvne.com writes: > > > > >> > >> >>Anyone having a high pitched whine on the DL4 when loop is engaged in > >> half speed mode? << > >> > >> yeah- it's down-sampling or aliasing or something. it doesn't do it with > >> everything, but it's much worse with other digital pedals before it- I guess > > >> that stands to reason. > >> > >> d. > >> > > > > Well, I was able to find that it's happening only in certain rooms that I > > perform in, especially the one I was in last night! But across town the > night > > before it only happened 50% of the time, and I'm guessing that tonight should > > > be 0% given my experiences here last week. I cannot pinpoint it! Perhaps > > there's some eletrical line interference, like a 60hz hum that manifests > > itself as a whine through some built in digital filter in the DL4 or > something? > > I really want this to stop! > > > > -Justin > > HREF="http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Justin_Fobes/">http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Justin_Fobes/ > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 5 10:55:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h85EmEo01968; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 10:48:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 10:48:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030905144812.30084.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 07:48:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: RE: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002401c3736c$e537d6d0$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Umm... Some bass player with poor English wants to buy a used 12-string Warr instrument? --- Will Brake wrote: > Umm, what? > > Respect > > Will Brake > Soul Fruit Electronics > > -----Original Message----- > From: Amy Mucero [mailto:mucero@msn.com] > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 12:54 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: > > I would like to post an add > Bass player looking to purchase a used 12 string Warr Guitar Please > email with info > thr3efoldbooking@yahoo.com or mucero@msn.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 5 10:59:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h85Eoid02659; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 10:50:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 10:50:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 07:50:30 -0700 Subject: Re: learning to play perfectly to a click track Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <005d01c373b1$b9a352c0$1912be18@oemcomputer> Message-Id: <4B6665F8-DFB0-11D7-8759-000393D2D09E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > My point re. "rhythm is pich made slow" is that just as one might > use an > electronic tuner to improve one's sense of pitch and make oneself more > sensitive to subtle variations in pitch, so one might use a metronome > to > improve one's sense of rhythm. Electronic tuners generate a reliable > standard of pitch; metronomes generate a reliable standard of rhythm. > We may > "tune" our tuning chops just as we may "tune" our rhythmic chops. > Drummers > who think that metronomes make their playing too stiff belong in bands > with > guitarists who think that tuners make their guitars too stale Yeah, this I totally agree with. A coworker constantly brings me in recordings of is Phish-like band and the songs are always comically off rhythm and out of tune. Drives me nuts. I've been playing with drum machines for so long now that I've become really sensitive to this. He seems to have fun with it, so it's all good. > And the universe is the manifestation of one vibration. Maya is > one huge > overtone series, of which we get to experience one little pie-slice. > All is > bliss, all is bliss................... The farther one travels, the less one knows! Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 5 12:17:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h85G7aD18470; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 12:07:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 12:07:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005c01c373c7$d0012d10$0207a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <4B6665F8-DFB0-11D7-8759-000393D2D09E@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: learning to play perfectly to a click track Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 17:07:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <021w_C.A.bgE.ITLW_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Mark Sottilaro" put forth: It's a nicer sound than rain sticks sometimes! But hey, it's Friday! Steve Goodman * EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 5 12:32:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h85GMvk21039; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 12:22:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 12:22:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 12:22:42 EDT Subject: Re: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c1.3628763d.2c8a1252_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_c1.3628763d.2c8a1252_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well that's definitely loopy. In a message dated 9/5/03 7:48:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ghunicycle@yahoo.com writes: > Umm... Some bass player with poor English wants to buy a used 12-string > Warr > instrument? > > > --- Will Brake wrote: > >Umm, what? > > > >Respect > > > >Will Brake > >Soul Fruit Electronics > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Amy Mucero [mailto:mucero@msn.com] > >Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 12:54 AM > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: > > > >I would like to post an add > > Bass player looking to purchase a used 12 string Warr Guitar Please > >email with info > >thr3efoldbooking@yahoo.com or mucero@msn.com > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > --part1_c1.3628763d.2c8a1252_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well that's definitely loopy.


In a message dated 9/5/03 7:48:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ghunicycle@yahoo= .com writes:

Umm... Some bass player with po= or English wants to buy a used 12-string Warr
instrument?


--- Will Brake <wbrake@comcast.net> wrote:
>Umm, what?
>
>Respect
>
>Will Brake
>Soul Fruit Electronics
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Amy Mucero [mailto:mucero@msn.com]
>Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 12:54 AM
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Subject:
>
>I would like to post an add  
>  Bass player looking to purchase a used 12 string Warr Guitar = ; Please
>email with info
>thr3efoldbooking@yahoo.com or mucero@msn.com
>


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 --part1_c1.3628763d.2c8a1252_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 5 12:41:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h85GVaj22263; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 12:31:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 12:31:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <38.3ca7a4f9.2c8a1455@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 12:31:17 EDT Subject: Re: Line6 loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_38.3ca7a4f9.2c8a1455_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_38.3ca7a4f9.2c8a1455_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Or a ground loop caused by any other piece of gear in the chain that has an improperly wired grounding scheme... In a message dated 9/5/03 7:46:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ghunicycle@yahoo.com writes: > It could also be a shielding issue within the Line6 box (ie, it's receiving > the > RF trash and processing it). > > Or could it be a problem with differing line voltages? I've seen that vary > considerably between locations and every once in awhile a piece of gear will > do > odd things if the voltage is too far out. > > Greg > > > --- Fsksync@aol.com wrote: > >Could be other digital gear radiating a high frequency that's getting > >inducted into your unit somehow. That might explain the intermittant > appearance > >of > >the problem- are there differnet assortments of gear in the places you're > >playing, or just your same rig?You could try those "toroid" round thingies > that > >you > >wrap your audio cable (I'd try the input cable) through a few times- that's > > >supposed to "buck" some kinds of interference. Toroid cores are cheap and > >should > >be in your tool kit. I once had one of the first ART digital reverbs, and > >this thing radiated so much hash, I had to re-arrange my rack a couple > times. > >The > >grounded metal chassis of the thing didn't stop the radiated crap very > well. > > > >Tim F > > > > > >In a message dated 9/4/03 8:31:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > >JustinFobes@aol.com writes: > > > >>In a message dated 9/4/03 9:43:39 AM Central Daylight Time, > >>goddard.duncan@mtvne.com writes: > >> > >>>> > >>>>>Anyone having a high pitched whine on the DL4 when loop is engaged in > >>>half speed mode? << > >>> > >>>yeah- it's down-sampling or aliasing or something. it doesn't do it with > >>>everything, but it's much worse with other digital pedals before it- I > guess > > > >>>that stands to reason. > >>> > >>>d. > >>> > >> > >>Well, I was able to find that it's happening only in certain rooms that I > >>perform in, especially the one I was in last night! But across town the > >night > >>before it only happened 50% of the time, and I'm guessing that tonight > should > > > >>be 0% given my experiences here last week. I cannot pinpoint it! Perhaps > > >>there's some eletrical line interference, like a 60hz hum that manifests > >>itself as a whine through some built in digital filter in the DL4 or > >something? > >>I really want this to stop! > >> > >>-Justin > >> > > HREF="http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Justin_Fobes/"> > http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Justin_Fobes/ > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > --part1_38.3ca7a4f9.2c8a1455_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Or a ground loop caused by any other piece of gear in=20= the chain that has an improperly wired grounding scheme...


In a message dated 9/5/03 7:46:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ghunicycle@yahoo= .com writes:

It could also be a shielding is= sue within the Line6 box (ie, it's receiving the
RF trash and processing it).

Or could it be a problem with differing line voltages? I've seen that vary considerably between locations and every once in awhile a piece of gear will= do
odd things if the voltage is too far out.

Greg


--- Fsksync@aol.com wrote:
>Could be other digital gear radiating a high frequency that's getting >inducted into your unit somehow. That might explain the intermittant app= earance
>of
>the problem- are there differnet assortments of gear in the places you'r= e
>playing, or just your same rig?You could try those "toroid" round thingi= es that
>you
>wrap your audio cable (I'd try the input cable) through a few times- tha= t's
>supposed to "buck" some kinds of interference. Toroid cores are cheap an= d
>should
>be in your tool kit. I once had one of the first ART digital reverbs, an= d
>this thing radiated so much hash, I had to re-arrange my rack a couple t= imes.
>The
>grounded metal chassis of the thing didn't stop the radiated crap very w= ell.
>
>Tim F
>
>
>In a message dated 9/4/03 8:31:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
>JustinFobes@aol.com writes:
>
>>In a message dated 9/4/03 9:43:39 AM Central Daylight Time,
>>goddard.duncan@mtvne.com writes:
>>
>>>>
>>>>>Anyone having a high pitched whine on the DL4 when loop=20= is engaged in
>>>half speed mode? <<
>>>
>>>yeah- it's down-sampling or aliasing or something. it doesn't do= it with
>>>everything, but it's much worse with other digital pedals before= it- I guess
>
>>>that stands to reason.
>>>
>>>d.
>>>
>>
>>Well, I was able to find that it's happening only in certain rooms t= hat I
>>perform in, especially the one I was in last night!  But across= town the
>night
>>before it only happened 50% of the time, and I'm guessing that tonig= ht should
>
>>be 0% given my experiences here last week.  I cannot pinpoint i= t!  Perhaps
>>there's some eletrical line interference, like a 60hz hum that manif= ests
>>itself as a whine through some built in digital filter in the DL4 or=
>something?  
>>I really want this to stop!
>>
>>-Justin
>><A
>
HREF=3D"http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Justin_Fobes/">http://artists.= iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Justin_Fobes/
>
>
>


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 --part1_38.3ca7a4f9.2c8a1455_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 5 13:22:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h85HFiJ29833; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 13:15:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 13:15:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: illness@mail.earthlink.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030905144812.30084.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030905144812.30084.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 13:07:00 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mike iLL Subject: RE:move Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com remove >Umm... Some bass player with poor English wants to buy a used 12-string Warr >instrument? > > >--- Will Brake wrote: >> Umm, what? >> >> Respect >> >> Will Brake >> Soul Fruit Electronics >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Amy Mucero [mailto:mucero@msn.com] >> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 12:54 AM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: >> >> I would like to post an add >> Bass player looking to purchase a used 12 string Warr Guitar Please >> email with info >> thr3efoldbooking@yahoo.com or mucero@msn.com >> > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- Mad haPPy http://www.madhappy.tv From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 5 13:33:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h85HOun31693; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 13:24:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 13:24:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-23.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1062782015!2087892 X-StarScan-Version: 5.0.7; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB521@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Line6 loopers Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 18:09:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C373D0.8395CBD0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C373D0.8395CBD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>It could also be a shielding issue within the Line6 box (ie, it's receiving the RF trash and processing it). Or could it be a problem with differing line voltages? I've seen that vary considerably between locations and every once in awhile a piece of gear will do odd things if the voltage is too far out.<< I last heard mine do it in the corner of my lounge, on a regulation line6 power supply and with a fender jazz going through a boss limiter into it. the limiter was also running off a linear (i.e. not switched-mode) power supply. the only interference I've been aware of in this location before has been the fella downstairs has dimmable lights that buzz a bit if I'm wandering about playing something w/o humbuckers in it. and he was out on this occasion. I wondered if it was recording it's own clock at certain tempi- maybe the anti-aliasing isn't quite right at longer pre-delay settings? duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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>>It could also be a shielding issue within the Lin= e6 box (ie, it's receiving the
RF trash and processing it).

Or could it be a problem with differing line voltages? I'= ve seen that vary
considerably between locations and every once in awhile = a piece of gear will do
odd things if the voltage is too far out.<<

I last heard mine do it in the corner of my lounge, on a = regulation line6 power supply and with a fender jazz going through a boss l= imiter into it. the limiter was also running off a linear (i.e. not switche= d-mode) power supply. the only interference I've been aware of in this loca= tion before has been the fella downstairs has dimmable lights that buzz a b= it if I'm wandering about playing something w/o humbuckers in it. and he wa= s out on this occasion.

I wondered if it was recording it's own clock at certain = tempi- maybe the anti-aliasing isn't quite right at longer pre-delay settin= gs?

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C373D0.8395CBD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 5 14:03:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h85HwXj04034; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 13:58:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 13:58:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JustinFobes@aol.com Message-ID: <1a2.19a547f0.2c8a28bf@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 13:58:23 EDT Subject: Re: Line6 loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1a2.19a547f0.2c8a28bf_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1a2.19a547f0.2c8a28bf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was absolutely correct, no problem last night! It's definitely locale specific. -Justin http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Justin_Fobes/ --part1_1a2.19a547f0.2c8a28bf_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was absolutely correct, no problem last night! =

It's definitely locale specific.

-Justin

http://artists.= iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Justin_Fobes/ --part1_1a2.19a547f0.2c8a28bf_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 5 14:15:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h85I8Sl06825; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 14:08:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 14:08:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JustinFobes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 14:08:21 EDT Subject: Re: Line6 loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a2.3bbc0c48.2c8a2b15_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_a2.3bbc0c48.2c8a2b15_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/5/03 12:25:29 PM Central Daylight Time, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com writes: > >>It could also be a shielding issue within the Line6 box (ie, it's > receiving the > RF trash and processing it). > > Or could it be a problem with differing line voltages? I've seen that vary > considerably between locations and every once in awhile a piece of gear will > do > odd things if the voltage is too far out.<< > > I last heard mine do it in the corner of my lounge, on a regulation line6 > power supply and with a fender jazz going through a boss limiter into it. the > limiter was also running off a linear (i.e. not switched-mode) power supply. > the only interference I've been aware of in this location before has been the > fella downstairs has dimmable lights that buzz a bit if I'm wandering about > playing something w/o humbuckers in it. and he was out on this occasion. > > I wondered if it was recording it's own clock at certain tempi- maybe the > anti-aliasing isn't quite right at longer pre-delay settings? > > duncan. > > No, I only run a tight pre-delay in looping mode, almost sounds like a teeny lil bathroom. I'm convinced that it's either an RF thing, or a line voltage thing, because it only happens in certain rooms. Both of which are the "Sports Cafe" format with gobs of TVs playing sports from all over the world, and me jamming in the corner. What FREQ do TV's print their screens? Perhaps it is an RF thing, because I only noticed it when I went to halftime on the loop, maybe double that and it was out of my hearing range . . . If it is an RF thing, can I do a shielding Mod, like I've done to my Strat and Tele? I really want this to go away. -Justin http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Justin_Fobes/ --part1_a2.3bbc0c48.2c8a2b15_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 9/5/03 12:25:29 PM Central Daylight= Time, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com writes:

>>It could also be a shie= lding issue within the Line6 box (ie, it's receiving the
RF trash and processing it).=

Or could it be a problem wit= h differing line voltages? I've seen that vary
considerably between locatio= ns and every once in awhile a piece of gear will do
odd things if the voltage is= too far out.<<

I last heard mine do it in t= he corner of my lounge, on a regulation line6 power supply and with a fender= jazz going through a boss limiter into it. the limiter was also running off= a linear (i.e. not switched-mode) power supply. the only interference I've=20= been aware of in this location before has been the fella downstairs has dimm= able lights that buzz a bit if I'm wandering about playing something w/o hum= buckers in it. and he was out on this occasion.

I wondered if it was rec= ording it's own clock at certain tempi- maybe the anti-aliasing isn't quite=20= right at longer pre-delay settings?

duncan.



No, I only run a tight pre-delay in looping mode, almost sounds like a teeny= lil bathroom.  I'm convinced that it's either an RF thing, or a line v= oltage thing, because it only happens in certain rooms.  Both of which=20= are the "Sports Cafe" format with gobs of TVs playing sports from all over t= he world, and me jamming in the corner.  What FREQ do TV's print their=20= screens?  Perhaps it is an RF thing, because I only noticed it when I w= ent to halftime on the loop, maybe double that and it was out of my hearing=20= range . . .

If it is an RF thing, can I do a shielding Mod, like I've done to my Strat a= nd Tele?

I really want this to go away.

-Justin
http://artists.= iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Justin_Fobes/ --part1_a2.3bbc0c48.2c8a2b15_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 5 14:37:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h85IW3i11177; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 14:32:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 14:32:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: move Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 11:31:51 -0700 Message-ID: <001101c373db$f9ef7dc0$01b52b04@purgatory> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is this the same guy that has been trying to unsubscribe for the past two weeks? :::-----Original Message----- :::From: Mike iLL [mailto:illness@earthlink.net] :::Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:07 AM :::To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com :::Subject: RE:move ::: :::remove ::: :::>Umm... Some bass player with poor English wants to buy a used 12-string From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 5 15:07:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h85J3V116878; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 15:03:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 15:03:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.163.129.139] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Line6 loopers Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 12:03:24 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Sep 2003 19:03:25.0087 (UTC) FILETIME=[620502F0:01C373E0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >What FREQ do TV's print their screens? 15750 Hz >From: JustinFobes@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Line6 loopers >Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 14:08:21 EDT > >In a message dated 9/5/03 12:25:29 PM Central Daylight Time, >goddard.duncan@mtvne.com writes: > > > >>It could also be a shielding issue within the Line6 box (ie, it's > > receiving the > > RF trash and processing it). > > > > Or could it be a problem with differing line voltages? I've seen that >vary > > considerably between locations and every once in awhile a piece of gear >will > > do > > odd things if the voltage is too far out.<< > > > > I last heard mine do it in the corner of my lounge, on a regulation >line6 > > power supply and with a fender jazz going through a boss limiter into >it. the > > limiter was also running off a linear (i.e. not switched-mode) power >supply. > > the only interference I've been aware of in this location before has >been the > > fella downstairs has dimmable lights that buzz a bit if I'm wandering >about > > playing something w/o humbuckers in it. and he was out on this occasion. > > > > I wondered if it was recording it's own clock at certain tempi- maybe >the > > anti-aliasing isn't quite right at longer pre-delay settings? > > > > duncan. > > > > > >No, I only run a tight pre-delay in looping mode, almost sounds like a >teeny >lil bathroom. I'm convinced that it's either an RF thing, or a line >voltage >thing, because it only happens in certain rooms. Both of which are the >"Sports >Cafe" format with gobs of TVs playing sports from all over the world, and >me >jamming in the corner. What FREQ do TV's print their screens? Perhaps it >is >an RF thing, because I only noticed it when I went to halftime on the loop, >maybe double that and it was out of my hearing range . . . > >If it is an RF thing, can I do a shielding Mod, like I've done to my Strat >and Tele? > >I really want this to go away. > >-Justin >HREF="http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Justin_Fobes/">http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Justin_Fobes/ _________________________________________________________________ Get 10MB of e-mail storage! Sign up for Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 5 15:54:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h85Jop624973; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 15:50:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 15:50:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <154.241e3b55.2c8a430f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 15:50:39 EDT Subject: Re: Radio co-host/New Album Preview Spam To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h85JopW24951 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre, In a message dated 9/5/03 12:30:28 AM, altruist@earthlink.net writes: >It seems I've been invited to co-host an upcoming online radio >program this Monday night, for a show called None Radio: > >http://www.noneradio.com Drat! This webcast seems to be only available to folks with DSL/Cable hookups (and the like). Us ordinary dial-up (poor) folk are not allowed. Oh well. Not to worry. I still wanna buy your new CD. Keep us posted. Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 5 16:28:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h85KNu331886; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 16:23:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 16:23:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.148.210.161] X-Originating-Email: [mucero@msn.com] From: "Amy Mucero" To: References: <002401c3736c$e537d6d0$7f613d44@soulfruit> Subject: Re: Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 13:23:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02F6_01C373B0.EFFBC9C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 13:23:47 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Sep 2003 20:23:50.0196 (UTC) FILETIME=[9E023740:01C373EB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02F6_01C373B0.EFFBC9C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable this bass player with poor English is searching for someone who is = selling a 12 string Warr Guitar , if you don't know what that is then = you can go to www.warrguitars.com I am sorry that you had misunderstood. = I had just followed the instructions to place a wanted ad. If I have = misunderstood that information then I apologize. Amy. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Will Brake=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:16 PM Subject: RE:=20 Umm, what? =20 Respect =20 Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics =20 -----Original Message----- From: Amy Mucero [mailto:mucero@msn.com]=20 Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 12:54 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject:=20 =20 I would like to post an add =20 Bass player looking to purchase a used 12 string Warr Guitar = Please email with info thr3efoldbooking@yahoo.com or mucero@msn.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_02F6_01C373B0.EFFBC9C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
this bass player with poor English is searching for someone = who is=20 selling a 12 string Warr Guitar , if you don=92t know what that is then = you can go=20 to www.warrguitars.com I am = sorry that=20 you had misunderstood. I had just followed the instructions to place a = wanted=20 ad. If I have misunderstood that information then I=20 apologize.          &nb= sp; =20 Amy.
----- Original Message -----
From: Will Brake
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, September 04, = 2003 10:16=20 PM
Subject: RE:

Umm,=20 what?

 

Respect

 

Will=20 Brake

Soul Fruit=20 Electronics

 

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: = Amy Mucero=20 [mailto:mucero@msn.com]
Sent: Friday, September 05, = 2003 12:54=20 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Subject:

 

I would = like to=20 post an add   

   Bass=20 player looking to purchase a used 12 string Warr Guitar  Please = email=20 with info

thr3efoldbooking@yahoo.com= or mucero@msn.com=20

------=_NextPart_000_02F6_01C373B0.EFFBC9C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 5 16:39:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h85Katk01851; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 16:36:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 16:36:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <002401c3736c$e537d6d0$7f613d44@soulfruit> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 15:36:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <_6FNvB.A.zc.nPPW_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >this bass player with poor English is searching for someone who is >selling a 12 string Warr Guitar , I suppose what people are wondering is why you joined a looper's mailing list to post a want ad for a bass guitar. You might try someplace like Harmony Central, where people regularly post (and read) classified ads. I don't know how you found this group, but I don't think it'd be going out on a limb to say you're in the wrong place for posting such an ad. Good luck. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 5 17:18:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h85LGeA09850; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 17:16:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 17:16:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030905211637.24335.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 14:16:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: looking for a Warr To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Jeff Shirkey wrote: > >this bass player with poor English is searching for someone who is > >selling a 12 string Warr Guitar , > > I suppose what people are wondering is why you joined a looper's > mailing list to post a want ad for a bass guitar. Actually, this isn't such an odd spot to look for an unusual instrument, since many of the people on this list play them. In fact, I don't know of another list with a greater concentration of Warr/Stick players. (Sure, there's Stickwire, but I never see anything on there from the non-Chapman contingency). Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 5 17:27:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h85LNEs11264; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 17:23:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 17:23:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: looking for a Warr Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 17:22:58 -0400 Message-ID: <001e01c373f3$e116c980$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <20030905211637.24335.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <_VDFUD.A.3vC.C7PW_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't understand what the sale of a bass has to do with looping. I don't believe it is an appropriate topic here. Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: Greg House [mailto:ghunicycle@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:17 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looking for a Warr --- Jeff Shirkey wrote: > >this bass player with poor English is searching for someone who is > >selling a 12 string Warr Guitar , > > I suppose what people are wondering is why you joined a looper's > mailing list to post a want ad for a bass guitar. Actually, this isn't such an odd spot to look for an unusual instrument, since many of the people on this list play them. In fact, I don't know of another list with a greater concentration of Warr/Stick players. (Sure, there's Stickwire, but I never see anything on there from the non-Chapman contingency). Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 5 17:31:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h85LPeb11911; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 17:25:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 17:25:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: looking for a Warr Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 14:25:29 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01c373f4$3b3e50e0$01b52b04@purgatory> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20030905211637.24335.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Elephant Talk would probably have a bigger concentration of Warr players. :::-----Original Message----- :::From: Greg House [mailto:ghunicycle@yahoo.com] :::Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 2:17 PM :::To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com :::Subject: Re: looking for a Warr ::: :::--- Jeff Shirkey wrote: :::> >this bass player with poor English is searching for someone who is :::> >selling a 12 string Warr Guitar , :::> :::> I suppose what people are wondering is why you joined a looper's :::> mailing list to post a want ad for a bass guitar. ::: :::Actually, this isn't such an odd spot to look for an unusual instrument, :::since :::many of the people on this list play them. In fact, I don't know of :::another list :::with a greater concentration of Warr/Stick players. (Sure, there's :::Stickwire, but :::I never see anything on there from the non-Chapman contingency). ::: :::Greg ::: :::__________________________________ :::Do you Yahoo!? :::Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software :::http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ::: ::: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 5 18:09:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h85M5qc04240; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 18:05:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 18:05:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JustinFobes@aol.com Message-ID: <7b.187c481f.2c8a62b6@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 18:05:42 EDT Subject: Re: Line6 loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7b.187c481f.2c8a62b6_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_7b.187c481f.2c8a62b6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/5/03 2:04:17 PM Central Daylight Time, nic_roozeboom@msn.com writes: > 15750 Hz > Yeah, that's gotta be what I'm hearing. Any shielding tips folks? -Justin http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Justin_Fobes/ --part1_7b.187c481f.2c8a62b6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 9/5/03 2:04:17 PM Central Daylight=20= Time, nic_roozeboom@msn.com writes:

15750 Hz


Yeah, that's gotta be what I'm hearing.  Any shielding tips folks?

-Justin
http://artists.= iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Justin_Fobes/ --part1_7b.187c481f.2c8a62b6_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 5 18:27:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h85MOU508251; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 18:24:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 18:24:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20030905151332.019c35d8@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> X-Files: the truth is out there. Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 15:25:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Topic enforcement (was RE: looking for a Warr) In-Reply-To: <001e01c373f3$e116c980$7f613d44@soulfruit> References: <20030905211637.24335.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quick! squash this thread - it's gone on too long already! call in the topic enforcers! Fire in the hole! Hey look ma! I'm totally off topic! Kim, have you assigned anyone to enforce topic control this week? I don't see anyone with the officially sanctioned topic enforcer armband. Jason - can you get your t-shirt guy to make LD Topic Enforcer armbands? :) At 05:22 PM 2003/09/05 -0400, Will Brake wrote: >I don't understand what the sale of a bass has to do with looping. I >don't believe it is an appropriate topic here. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 6 00:20:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h864IET19333; Sat, 6 Sep 2003 00:18:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 00:18:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 21:17:27 -0700 Subject: Re: From: glenn To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1MXy0C.A.-tE.GAWW_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com from what I've seen of cool looping bassists, it doesn't strike me, though the unnecessary harshness does, as that big of a deal or even something really wrong. if someone said "hey anyone know anyone selling a mellotron, or a vocoder, would this be wrong too?" or is it more important who's doing the asking... on 9/5/03 1:36 PM, Jeff Shirkey at jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu wrote: >> this bass player with poor English is searching for someone who is >> selling a 12 string Warr Guitar , > > I suppose what people are wondering is why you joined a looper's > mailing list to post a want ad for a bass guitar. You might try > someplace like Harmony Central, where people regularly post (and > read) classified ads. I don't know how you found this group, but I > don't think it'd be going out on a limb to say you're in the wrong > place for posting such an ad. > > Good luck. > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 6 00:57:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h864tr024592; Sat, 6 Sep 2003 00:55:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 00:55:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Sonar 3--Looper or Not? Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 21:55:46 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey-- Does anyone assume that the latest Cakewalk sequencer http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/loop.asp will allow me to set loop size on the fly? Hmmm? Gary PS Bought tickets for this: Different Skies at Arcosanti http://waltzer.crosswinds.net/differentskies/index.html Program on Saturday night will feature list members Bill Fox and Greg Waltzer. Don't suppose their rigs include any delays . . . oh heck no . . . G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 6 01:02:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8651eh27204; Sat, 6 Sep 2003 01:01:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 01:01:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 00:01:33 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >from what I've seen of cool looping bassists, it doesn't strike me, though >the unnecessary harshness does, Harsh? I thought I was as polite as could be. Whatever... Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 6 02:54:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h866qT809923; Sat, 6 Sep 2003 02:52:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 02:52:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 01:51:26 -0500 Subject: digitech gnx3 From: "Richard J. Roberts" To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2mlERC.A.4aC.sQYW_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone here use the Digitech gnx3? It's supposed to have a JamMan II built in to it. Does anyone know if this an honest-to-goodness Lexicon JamMan? Is it as quiet as the rack JamMan? Richard -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 6 08:34:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h86CWsI25905; Sat, 6 Sep 2003 08:32:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 08:32:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c37472$dffd0260$0fe65cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Monthly Top 20 Report for August, 2003 Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 08:31:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C37451.4B8FE3C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C37451.4B8FE3C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 for August, 2003. Shows #333 to #336; 7-August-2003 to 28-August-2003 Reported in non-ranked order. Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@fast.net CONTACT: billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Alio Die and Mathias Grassow - Expanding Horizon - Relapse Alp - Out and About With Alp - Soleilmoon Christopher Short - The Unnamed Constellation - none dbkaos - Art of Sacrifice - DiN Jonn Serrie - The Stargazer's Journey - New World Ken Martin - Berlin Impressions Vol. 3 - Space for Music Principle of Silence - Live - none Richard Bone - Alternate Realities - Spiralight Robert Carty - Ethereal Deserts - Deep Sky Rudy Adrian - Concerts in the USA - Groove Skin Mechanix - The Secret Life of Angels - Infection Music Syndromeda - Creatures from the Inner - Neu Harmony T-Bass UK - The Fabulous Neutrinos - Infection Music T-Bass UK - The Infection of Time - Infection Music Tangerine Dream - Mota Atma - TDP Under the Dome - Bellerphon - Neu Harmony Under the Dome - Dome Roots Collection - Cochlear Vision Various Artists - Hampshire Jam Preserved - none Various Artists - MediaEvil - InfectionMusic Volt - The Far Canal - Groove ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C37451.4B8FE3C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 for August, 2003.
Shows #333 to = #336;=20 7-August-2003 to 28-August-2003
Reported in non-ranked = order.
Compiled by=20 Bill Fox, billfox@fast.net
 
CONTACT:   billfox@fast.net
  &nbs= p;       =20 http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emu= sic
 

ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE -=20 LABEL
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Alio Die=20 and Mathias Grassow - Expanding Horizon - Relapse
Alp - Out and About = With=20 Alp - Soleilmoon
Christopher Short - The Unnamed Constellation -=20 none
dbkaos - Art of Sacrifice - DiN
Jonn Serrie - The Stargazer's = Journey=20 - New World
Ken Martin - Berlin Impressions Vol. 3 - Space for=20 Music
Principle of Silence - Live - none
Richard Bone - Alternate=20 Realities - Spiralight
Robert Carty - Ethereal Deserts - Deep = Sky
Rudy=20 Adrian - Concerts in the USA - Groove
Skin Mechanix - The Secret Life = of=20 Angels - Infection Music
Syndromeda - Creatures from the Inner - Neu=20 Harmony
T-Bass UK - The Fabulous Neutrinos - Infection = Music
T-Bass UK -=20 The Infection of Time - Infection Music
Tangerine Dream - Mota Atma - = TDP
Under the Dome - Bellerphon - Neu Harmony
Under the Dome - = Dome Roots=20 Collection - Cochlear Vision
Various Artists - Hampshire Jam = Preserved -=20 none
Various Artists - MediaEvil - InfectionMusic
Volt - The Far = Canal -=20 Groove
 ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C37451.4B8FE3C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 6 13:50:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h86HmwU15698; Sat, 6 Sep 2003 13:48:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 13:48:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004701c374a0$3be29400$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents psychosomatic climax machine Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 13:56:44 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday Sept. 9th - psychosomatic climax machine with General Chaos Visuals The sweet sound of robot love. A five-piece doing live, free improvised ambient space music presented by Anne Sulikowski on synths, tones, microphones and found sounds with Matt Bourassa (Free Maracas) on moogs and radios plus a three-guitar lineup of Jeff Sinbaldi (Phases, Films, Marciloficino), Evan Cardwell (Free Maracas) and the Devil in the Design. pcm info @ worthy records - http://www.worthyrecords.com Space visions, swirls, voids, lights and mood presented by General Chaos Visuals. http://www.generalchaosvisuals.com Between Sets CD - "a distant signal" by Alpha Wave Movement Lush synth-driven space ambience from Miami Florida based artist Gregory Kyryluk, recording as Alpha Wave Movement. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tues. Sept.16 - Noko Jones & the Ministry of Transport http://www.cirque-samsara.com Between Sets CD - "A Storm Of Drones" disc 2 by V/A http://www.asphodel.com/cat/asp_0966.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "The New Tribes EP" by Michael Mage Michael Mage's latest release "The New Tribes EP" is a beguiling journey through the darker side of musical exploration. It begins with "Fester", a haunting drone just at the barrier of the senses. Slowly building, slowly writhing, dreaming. Track two, "Revenge", adds a light percussion to the same sort of drones, gradually swelling into a percussive rage piercing through the atmosphere. "Seeing the Unseen" follows, adding woodwinds, whips, didgeridoo, and some vocal styling to the mix. A truly moving piece, as beautiful as it is ominous... And so it goes, with each track building on the last, carrying the listener through the darkness, bringing them back around into the light. Stunning work. In addition to the disc, "The New Tribes EP" also comes with a book of poetry which fully compliments and builds on the ideas put forth in the music. Powerful and emotive, "A Celebration of Ceremonies Past" is perfect reading while listening to the disc. All in all, it truly is a wonderful package. "The New Tribes EP" is a fabulous study of shadowy textures and drones and a must for any fans of the darker ambient forms. rik maclean - - rik@pingthings.com This month at http://www.pingthings.com - an exclusive interview with Mercurine plus the ping things *massive* first anniversary sale... Have a look at what's available. Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . * Other interesting upcoming sonic events: Saturday September 6 THE TORONTOPIA IN C ORCHESTRA plays Terry Riley's "In C" @ Sneaky Dee's, 431 College St., Toronto (9pm, PWYC) with special guests: The Reveries + John Kameel Farah http://www.terryriley.com For our US listees and sound travellers: September 8 -14, 2003 Different Skies Electronic Space Music Festival at Arcosanti (65 mi North of Phoenix, Arizona) http://differentskies.com (At least check out the web site's info on Arcosanti!) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. Drop off food at *ping things* for the Daily Bread Food Bank too and we'll ensure that it gets there. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 6 13:54:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h86HqHm16353; Sat, 6 Sep 2003 13:52:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 13:52:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 10:52:30 -0700 Subject: 12 string Warr guitar for sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Psych! I think why we get angry is because it's from a person who's never contributed to a single OT thread. No one likes a parasite. Mark Sottilaro On Friday, September 5, 2003, at 09:17 PM, glenn wrote: > from what I've seen of cool looping bassists, it doesn't strike me, > though > the unnecessary harshness does, as that big of a deal or even something > really wrong. > > if someone said "hey anyone know anyone selling a mellotron, or a > vocoder, > would this be wrong too?" > > or is it more important who's doing the asking... > > on 9/5/03 1:36 PM, Jeff Shirkey at jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu wrote: > >>> this bass player with poor English is searching for someone who is >>> selling a 12 string Warr Guitar , >> >> I suppose what people are wondering is why you joined a looper's >> mailing list to post a want ad for a bass guitar. You might try >> someplace like Harmony Central, where people regularly post (and >> read) classified ads. I don't know how you found this group, but I >> don't think it'd be going out on a limb to say you're in the wrong >> place for posting such an ad. >> >> Good luck. >> >> Jeff >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 6 14:08:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h86I7ZC21421; Sat, 6 Sep 2003 14:07:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 14:07:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005b01c374a1$a1cf9b40$e9e45cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #337 for September 4, 2003 Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 14:06:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0058_01C37480.0E11F680" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C37480.0E11F680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each = Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in = Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #337 September 4, 2003 RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on Redshift, a band in the UK = formed by Mark Shreeve. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Ether" on the = Champagne Lake label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Moondawn" by Klaus Schulze on the = Brain label. I played the music of Under the Dome who will be appearing at the = Gatherings Concert Series on September 13. I also played the music of Michael = Stearns who will be at the Gatherings on October 4. Redshift - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#sep Gatherings Concert Series - http://www.thegatherings.org PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 11:00 pm Klaus Schulze Floating * Moondawn (Brain) Michael Stearns In the Beginning... Planetary Unfolding = (Sonic Atmospheres) Under the Dome Return Bellerophon (Neu = Harmony) Arttek Canyon Crawler Plug In (none) VA [Xeroid Entity] Tethys Sequences No. 28 = (Sequences) VA [Sundagger] Silent Stones Different Skies 2003 = (Atomic City) Ozone Player Re-Ollism E (Visual Power) Syndromeda The Dream Within Creatures from the = Inner (Neu Harmony) 12:00 am Redshift A Midnight Clear Ether (Champagne Lake) Redshift Bombers in the Desert Ether (Champagne Lake) Redshift Static Ether (Champagne Lake) Redshift Ether Ether (Champagne Lake) 1:00 am * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Redshift. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Downtime" on the Champagne Lake = Productions label. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Dreamtime Return" by Steve Roach = on Fortuna Records. I will play music by Under the Dome who will be appearing at the = Gatherings Concert Series on September 13. Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, = Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in = Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click = LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C37480.0E11F680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs = each=20 Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and = 93.9 FM=20 in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
 
            =    =20     Show #337       =20             September 4, = 2003
 
RECAP:
On this show, I started a month-long focus on Redshift, a = band in=20 the UK formed
by Mark Shreeve.  The Featured CD at Midnight was = "Ether"=20 on the Champagne Lake
label.
 
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Moondawn" by Klaus Schulze on = the=20 Brain
label.
 
I played the music of Under the Dome who will be appearing at the=20 Gatherings
Concert Series on September 13.  I also played the = music of=20 Michael Stearns
who will be at the Gatherings on October 4.
 
Redshift - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#sep
=
Gatherings Concert Series - http://www.thegatherings.org
 
 
PLAYLIST:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
11:00 pm
Klaus=20 Schulze           = Floating=20 *            =   =20 Moondawn (Brain)
Michael=20 Stearns         In the=20 Beginning...      Planetary Unfolding=20 (Sonic
          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =    =20 Atmospheres)
Under the=20 Dome         =20 Return           &= nbsp;      =20 Bellerophon (Neu=20 Harmony)
Arttek         &= nbsp;       =20 Canyon = Crawler           Plug = In (none)
VA [Xeroid Entity]     =20 Tethys           &= nbsp;      =20 Sequences No. 28 (Sequences)
VA=20 [Sundagger]          Silent = Stones            = Different Skies 2003=20 (Atomic
          &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;   =20 City)
Ozone=20 Player            = Re-Ollism          &nbs= p;    =20 E (Visual=20 Power)
Syndromeda         = ;    =20 The Dream Within         = Creatures from=20 the Inner=20 (Neu
           = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;  =20 Harmony)
 
12:00=20 am
Redshift          = ;     =20 A Midnight Clear         Ether=20 (Champagne=20 Lake)
Redshift         &n= bsp;     =20 Bombers in the Desert    Ether (Champagne=20 Lake)
Redshift         &n= bsp;     =20 Static           &= nbsp;      =20 Ether (Champagne=20 Lake)
Redshift         &n= bsp;     =20 Ether           &n= bsp;       =20 Ether (Champagne Lake)
 
1:00 am
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
 

NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long = focus on=20 Redshift.  The
Featured CD at Midnight will be "Downtime" on the = Champagne Lake Productions
label.
 
The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Dreamtime Return" by Steve = Roach=20 on
Fortuna Records.
 
I will play music by Under the Dome who will be appearing at the=20 Gatherings
Concert Series on September 13.
 
Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient,  and space music show,  = Thursdays=20 at 11
pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and = 93.9 FM in=20 Easton
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 ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C37480.0E11F680-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 6 15:33:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h86JVIM04396; Sat, 6 Sep 2003 15:31:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 15:31:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.109.235.253] X-Originating-Email: [daviddurian@msn.com] From: "David Durian" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: digitech gnx3 Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 14:31:09 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Sep 2003 19:31:09.0679 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C9B57F0:01C374AD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Richard, Not sure how many other people will post on this, and you will probably get a variety of opinions on this topic, so . . . I'll begin unless someone else has. (Side note: You may want to also check out commentary on the looper portion of the GNX3 over on the Digitech site. They have a discussion board for the GNX3). I owned a GNX3 for a few weeks early this summer (then returned it). I also used to own 2 Jam Man rack units, so I can give you some background on how the GNX3 looper compares to the old Jam Man unit . . . The Jam Man looper in the GNX3 is actually quite a different looper than the old Jam Man unit. It is actually set up to work more like an Electrix Repeater than the old Jam Man. It allows you to record 8 tracks per loop, and it stores/records your loops. It is also supposed to be a stereo looper (which it mostly is, unless you loop external sources, then it sometimes isn't), which also makes it quite different than the old Jam Man, which was mono. And, you are not limited to 32 secs of looping time like on the old Jam Man, looping times are flexible based on the size of the SmartMedia card on which you use to record your loops. All these features make it more like the Repeater than the Jam Man, although the Repeater only has 4 tracks per loop (not 8 like on the GNX3). However, the GNX3 does not allow you to do many of the other things that the Repeater does (pitch shift, reverse, switchable effects loop), although the sound quality is comparable to that of the Repeater (both of which have better sound quality bit-wise than the old Jam Man units did). Also, the old Jam Man unit allowed you to do quite seamless live "on the fly" real-time looping--you just clicked on the record switch, and off you went. However, the new GNX3 Jam Man function does not function very effectively as a live looper, in my opinion, because you can't actually do this on the GNX3. You have to set up a tempo time before recording the loop, and then if you don't use quanitize and the count-in function on the GNX3 looper, your loops will often times show up with a very noticable "skipping sound" on the loop (like when a cd skips). If you're timing is absolutely precise, and the material you are playing into the loop is in fact exactly at the tempo you set ahead of time, you will not always get the skip--but there were times I did all that correctly with out count in or quantize set, and still got the skip anyway. So, you will have to use that count-in clock everytime you loop if you want to avoid the skip. Which, basically, makes it kind of suck as a live "on the fly" looper because you can't just "loop and go" with reliably seamless results like you could on the old Jam Man, where this was never a problem. This is why I returned it, because I was hoping it would be a bona-fide Jam Man looper (like the old ones) but with some new features. The lack of true live "on the fly looping" was a problem for me, since I do ambient music half the time, and there is no set tempo in my music, so the quantize/count-in thing reaked havoc on my loops--lots of that skipping sound. So, the long and the short of it is--the Jam Man in the GNX3 is not a bona-fide Jam Man like the original unit. Don't know about if it's quieter or not. There are a few other people here that have used it too, so maybe than can fill in some more details on it in re: your specific questions. Greg--any comments? Hope this info helps you. David Durian >>Does anyone here use the Digitech gnx3? It's supposed to have a JamMan II >>built in to it. Does anyone know if this an honest-to-goodness Lexicon >>JamMan? Is it as quiet as the rack JamMan? >>Richard _________________________________________________________________ Need more e-mail storage? Get 10MB with Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 6 16:15:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h86KDC913438; Sat, 6 Sep 2003 16:13:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 16:13:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: The Meaning of OT? Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 13:12:56 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, What does OT stand for in this context? On or off? And for that matter, does T mean thread or topic? Just curious . . . Gary PS How could this not be OT? G Roe be OT! G -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 10:53 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: 12 string Warr guitar for sale Psych! I think why we get angry is because it's from a person who's never contributed to a single OT thread. No one likes a parasite. Mark Sottilaro On Friday, September 5, 2003, at 09:17 PM, glenn wrote: > from what I've seen of cool looping bassists, it doesn't strike me, > though > the unnecessary harshness does, as that big of a deal or even something > really wrong. > > if someone said "hey anyone know anyone selling a mellotron, or a > vocoder, > would this be wrong too?" > > or is it more important who's doing the asking... > > on 9/5/03 1:36 PM, Jeff Shirkey at jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu wrote: > >>> this bass player with poor English is searching for someone who is >>> selling a 12 string Warr Guitar , >> >> I suppose what people are wondering is why you joined a looper's >> mailing list to post a want ad for a bass guitar. You might try >> someplace like Harmony Central, where people regularly post (and >> read) classified ads. I don't know how you found this group, but I >> don't think it'd be going out on a limb to say you're in the wrong >> place for posting such an ad. >> >> Good luck. >> >> Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 6 16:23:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h86KLCW15211; Sat, 6 Sep 2003 16:21:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 16:21:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F5A41B6.6030909@biink.com> Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 16:21:10 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Meaning of OT? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Relay wrote: >Roe be OT! > Uni? -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 6 16:26:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h86KONx15968; Sat, 6 Sep 2003 16:24:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 16:24:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F5A4276.8030208@biink.com> Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 16:24:22 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: db@biink.com CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Meaning of OT? References: <3F5A41B6.6030909@biink.com> In-Reply-To: <3F5A41B6.6030909@biink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1hPcnC.A.V5D.2JkW_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David Beardsley wrote: > Relay wrote: > >> Roe be OT! >> > > Uni? > No. Ikura.** ** -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 6 18:19:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h86MICx05860; Sat, 6 Sep 2003 18:18:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 18:18:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a501c374c4$a2599de0$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Subject: another MP3 from soon to be released album... Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 23:17:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <64BnmB.A.dbB.k0lW_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi all, just posted another MP3 from my forthcoming duo album with Theo Travis, 'For The Love Of Open Spaces'. The track's called 'In A Place Like This', and features live looping a-plenty, with looped bass (multiple EDPs) and looped sax (DL4) advanced ordering will be up soon, and an exclusive extra disc will be available to anyone ordering the CD prior to the release date... hope you enjoy it! Steve www.stevelawson.net (gig details, news, MP3s, paypal CD orders etc.) www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk (buy CDs) www.pmrecords.gemm.com (buy the same CDs) www.solobassnetwork.org.uk (other people making solo bass noises) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 6 18:32:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h86MUTi08213; Sat, 6 Sep 2003 18:30:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 18:30:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F5A5ED1.1DE2E076@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 15:25:22 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: another MP3 from soon to be released album... References: <00a501c374c4$a2599de0$e0154ed5@bigboy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Eh Steve! Steve Lawson wrote: > just posted another MP3 from my forthcoming duo album with Theo Travis, 'For > The Love Of Open Spaces'. The track's called 'In A Place Like This' For the first minute or two, I actually thought it might be called "Baker Street"... ;) ...but it's another very nice track, Mr. Lawson. Looking forward to the album for sure... --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 7 12:42:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h87Gcem12408; Sun, 7 Sep 2003 12:38:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 12:38:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030907163834.59732.qmail@web80213.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 09:38:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: FS: sound sculpture switchblade 8B To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-585189481-1062952714=:59495" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-585189481-1062952714=:59495 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii it'll make your life a lot easier: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2556845334 thanks for tolerating the spam. -jim --0-585189481-1062952714=:59495 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
 
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--0-585189481-1062952714=:59495-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 8 02:50:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h886mAw11382; Mon, 8 Sep 2003 02:48:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 02:48:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F5C2757.9A21759D@earycanal.com> Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 23:53:11 -0700 From: eary@earycanal.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EH 16 Sec Pedal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I am a new poster who thinks that this 16-second delay auction should be brought to the list's attention. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2556385843&category=41415 Hope I'm right. Best wishes, Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 8 03:26:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h887Mk617670; Mon, 8 Sep 2003 03:22:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 03:22:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F5C2D13.C03AFD3B@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 00:17:38 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Todd Sickafoose/Radio correction (Re: EH 16 Sec Pedal) References: <3F5C2757.9A21759D@earycanal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4wvBv.A.9TE.G5CX_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dude! eary@earycanal.com wrote: > Hi, > I am a new poster who thinks that this 16-second delay auction should be brought > to the list's attention. And I'm an old poster who thinks that this list is lucky to have Todd as a member - are you looping now, man? Good to see you! Check the man's site, people: http://www.toddsickafoose.com (On a totally different note: the online radio appearance I mentioned a couple of days ago has been postponsed for later on - I'll spam the list when I know exactly when.) Mmm hmm, --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 8 13:09:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h88H4fj20610; Mon, 8 Sep 2003 13:04:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 13:04:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030908170434.15865.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 10:04:34 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Light into Sound. (Was: learning to play perfectly to a click track) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200309050527.h855RIP14331@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Douglas Baldwin opined: And Edgar Winter, in > > "Frankenstein," drops an oscillator down and down, then throws an envelope > > follower on it for that pee-ow-pee-ow-pee-ow > bullet-through-a-tennis-racket > > sound, which gets slower and slower until the drums pick up on it, and it > > leads into the drum solo... I think you're confusing things a bit here. While I appreciate the thread of your post, the thing that you are referring to in "Frankenstein" is nothing more than a sawtooth LFO modulating a filter. It is the filter that is dropping in pitch, not the LFO or other oscillator. > Brand new insert here, inspired by Rick's observation that he hears a > similar effect when he slows his Repeater way down (120 b.p.s. to 1 b.p.s., > ferinstance): Digital sound slowed down creates a similar effect, but for a > different reason. In the digital world, the pitch remains the same, but it > st-tu-ut-stutters as bits of silence get inserted between bits of sound. The > bits of sound effectively become like pulse waves, but it's not the same as > slowing down an analog signal. While the digital time stretching thing may seem similar on the surface, again it is a different beast. On the Repeater, the artifacts generated by the stretching of the wav file are what's producing the interesting sounds, it's not an actual representation of a stretched wav. Were the resolution high enough, we would get to hear what very long and stretched out sound really sounds like. As it is, all we hear are some very interesting artifacts. Very different than the transformation of pitch into rhythm. Don't get me wrong, I love these particular artifacts. Some of the best artifacts to come out of digital equipment in decades. While analog consistently produces usable artifacts, digital tends to produce mostly artifacts that fry people's sensibilities. The Repeater is a happy exception. And in response to Duncan's observation of flickering light coming out of his JBL Eon's... I'm not sure if the Eon's do this or not, though I am familiar with some non-powered PA speakers emitting a blue flashing light when peak levels are exceeded. This is a strobe built into the system to alert the sound dude that testosterone levels have been met and surpassed. Might be what he was observing. Stephen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 8 15:01:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h88Iv1H05742; Mon, 8 Sep 2003 14:57:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 14:57:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 11:55:32 -0700 Subject: Re: Todd Sickafoose/Radio correction (Re: EH 16 Sec Pedal) From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3F5C2D13.C03AFD3B@earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dude- hey i saw t.sickafoose w/ @ tongue&groove here in sf.(great show) earlier this year w/ nels cline-THE 16SECDDL king-wonder if there is a connection w/ the auction? -- stanitarium <16SECDDL>abuser > Dude! > > eary@earycanal.com wrote: > >> Hi, >> I am a new poster who thinks that this 16-second delay auction should be >> brought >> to the list's attention. > > And I'm an old poster who thinks that this list is lucky to have Todd as > a member - are you looping now, man? Good to see you! > > Check the man's site, people: > > http://www.toddsickafoose.com > > (On a totally different note: the online radio appearance I mentioned a > couple of days ago has been postponsed for later on - I'll spam the list > when I know exactly when.) > > Mmm hmm, > > --Andre LaFosse > The Echoplex Analysis Pages: > http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 8 16:24:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h88KIqw21144; Mon, 8 Sep 2003 16:18:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 16:18:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Cooper" To: Subject: RE: digitech gnx3 Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 14:38:22 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Richard I've had one of these for a couple of months. I responded to a couple of general questions earlier this summer. Note: I am not familiar with the original JamMan to compare it. I'm also relatively new to looping. That said, the GNX3 has been a pretty great tool for me. David said: >>However, the new GNX3 Jam Man function does not function very >>effectively as a live looper, in my opinion, because you can't actually do >>this on the GNX3. You have to set up a tempo time before recording the loop, >>and then if you don't use quantize and the count-in function on the GNX3 >>looper, your loops will often times show up with a very noticeable "skipping >>sound" on the loop (like when a cd skips). If you're timing is absolutely >>precise, and the material you are playing into the loop is in fact exactly >>at the tempo you set ahead of time, you will not always get the skip--but >>there were times I did all that correctly with out count in or quantize set, >>I'd still got the skip anyway. So, you will have to use that count-in clock >>everytime you loop if you want to avoid the skip. Which, basically, makes it >>kind of suck as a live "on the fly" looper because you can't just "loop and >>go" with reliably seamless results like you could on the old Jam Man, where >>this was never a problem. I have seen this problem. But I've also found some solutions. I never use the quantize function when using this for looping. Mostly because I'm not willing to hear (or let the audience hear) a click/drum track or even a count in. My typical setup is no count it, song repeat on, and quantize off. In my experience the "skip sound" seems to happen much more often when there is still a tone sounding when the end of the loop is marked. I typically try to record a bass or percussion loop first, generally because I can set it up to be quiet or silent by the time I kick in the loop. When and if you get your fist loop set and there not a pop, you definately won't hear a pop on any of the subsequent tracks. Its a little bit risky I'll admit (in that you might get caught on stage with a loop that has a pop in it) but I'd say generally its a good looping tool at least for me. I probably have about 85-90% success rate not getting the pop sound using it as a looper. Side notes: The effects that are packaged with this device are still great, which should make it useful to me even after I get a 'real" looper like the EDP in the near future. The fact that you can plug your mic directly, decide if it will be assigned the effects of your preset, and loop it is a very cool thing. If your willing to bend over mid-performance you can turn on and off tracks that you've laid down. The additional foot pedal ($50) to control the recording stuff is pretty handy. For an example of what I've done with this little toy, check out: http://www.timcoopermusic.net/mp3s/untitled.mp3 (2MB) -- tim cooper -----Original Message----- From: David Durian [mailto:daviddurian@msn.com] Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 1:31 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: digitech gnx3 Richard, Not sure how many other people will post on this, and you will probably get a variety of opinions on this topic, so . . . I'll begin unless someone else has. (Side note: You may want to also check out commentary on the looper portion of the GNX3 over on the Digitech site. They have a discussion board for the GNX3). I owned a GNX3 for a few weeks early this summer (then returned it). I also used to own 2 Jam Man rack units, so I can give you some background on how the GNX3 looper compares to the old Jam Man unit . . . The Jam Man looper in the GNX3 is actually quite a different looper than the old Jam Man unit. It is actually set up to work more like an Electrix Repeater than the old Jam Man. It allows you to record 8 tracks per loop, and it stores/records your loops. It is also supposed to be a stereo looper (which it mostly is, unless you loop external sources, then it sometimes isn't), which also makes it quite different than the old Jam Man, which was mono. And, you are not limited to 32 secs of looping time like on the old Jam Man, looping times are flexible based on the size of the SmartMedia card on which you use to record your loops. All these features make it more like the Repeater than the Jam Man, although the Repeater only has 4 tracks per loop (not 8 like on the GNX3). However, the GNX3 does not allow you to do many of the other things that the Repeater does (pitch shift, reverse, switchable effects loop), although the sound quality is comparable to that of the Repeater (both of which have better sound quality bit-wise than the old Jam Man units did). Also, the old Jam Man unit allowed you to do quite seamless live "on the fly" real-time looping--you just clicked on the record switch, and off you went. However, the new GNX3 Jam Man function does not function very effectively as a live looper, in my opinion, because you can't actually do this on the GNX3. You have to set up a tempo time before recording the loop, and then if you don't use quanitize and the count-in function on the GNX3 looper, your loops will often times show up with a very noticable "skipping sound" on the loop (like when a cd skips). If you're timing is absolutely precise, and the material you are playing into the loop is in fact exactly at the tempo you set ahead of time, you will not always get the skip--but there were times I did all that correctly with out count in or quantize set, and still got the skip anyway. So, you will have to use that count-in clock everytime you loop if you want to avoid the skip. Which, basically, makes it kind of suck as a live "on the fly" looper because you can't just "loop and go" with reliably seamless results like you could on the old Jam Man, where this was never a problem. This is why I returned it, because I was hoping it would be a bona-fide Jam Man looper (like the old ones) but with some new features. The lack of true live "on the fly looping" was a problem for me, since I do ambient music half the time, and there is no set tempo in my music, so the quantize/count-in thing reaked havoc on my loops--lots of that skipping sound. So, the long and the short of it is--the Jam Man in the GNX3 is not a bona-fide Jam Man like the original unit. Don't know about if it's quieter or not. There are a few other people here that have used it too, so maybe than can fill in some more details on it in re: your specific questions. Greg--any comments? Hope this info helps you. David Durian >>Does anyone here use the Digitech gnx3? It's supposed to have a JamMan II >>built in to it. Does anyone know if this an honest-to-goodness Lexicon >>JamMan? Is it as quiet as the rack JamMan? >>Richard _________________________________________________________________ Need more e-mail storage? Get 10MB with Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 8 19:12:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h88N9mY19525; Mon, 8 Sep 2003 19:09:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 19:09:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 17:09:42 -0600 Message-Id: <200309082309.h88N9gn24856@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Gear Price alert X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.18.152 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just noticed the Airsynth is selling for $80 at Zzounds right now for those of you interested in such a thinkg (I'm considering it but am not sold yet). Just what you need right, more stuff. And don't forget to go to Zzounds from the portal on the LD site. Speaking of LD advertisments, what's up with the semi porn of that players club banner anyway. Kevin How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 8 19:20:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h88NIvT20610; Mon, 8 Sep 2003 19:18:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 19:18:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004a01c3765f$96ce9ec0$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <3F5A5ED1.1DE2E076@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: another MP3 from soon to be released album... Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 00:19:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <5FPotD.A.2BF.g5QX_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > just posted another MP3 from my forthcoming duo album with Theo Travis, 'For > > The Love Of Open Spaces'. The track's called 'In A Place Like This' > > For the first minute or two, I actually thought it might be called > "Baker Street"... ;) LOL - there was a fantastic urban myth going round the UK in the 90s that the sax solo on Baker Street was played by a kitch TV game show host called Bob Holness - so maybe I ought to bill him as the (un)invited guest on this track.. :o) > ...but it's another very nice track, Mr. Lawson. Looking forward to the > album for sure... Thanks - the feelings certainly mutual! We should have a joint release party - your continent or mine? :o) Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 8 20:39:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h890ZEa06431; Mon, 8 Sep 2003 20:35:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 20:35:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 19:34:13 -0500 Subject: Re: gnx3 From: "Richard J. Roberts" To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h890ZDW06408 Resent-Message-ID: <4bbN1B.A.XkB.BBSX_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David - Thanks for your assessment; you've quite likely saved me some money(!). I play wind synth & many different flutes in a solo ambient setting, and from what you've told me, I'd probably do best with a second JamMan. I might try a Repeater sometime, though, pitch-shifting would be a handy FX to have. Richard / ø‡ -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 9 00:06:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8943ie07794; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 00:03:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 00:03:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 23:58:30 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Doctor T, Neil Leonard, Stephen MacLean, The Lothars 9.13.03 Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, DrTVideo@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, electrons@cardhouse.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, collision-collusion@ai.mit.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I'll be doing two sets of video improvisation at the Bates Arts Center on Saturday Night, one set with Neil Leonard and Stephen MacLean, and one set with the fine electro-acoustic band the Lothars. The show is at 8PM, and we are asking a mere $7 admission. The show is part of the Cyberart: Here and Now show at the Bates from Sept 1 - 30. 2 galleries of print, sculpture, animation and video art By Dave Gordon, Doctor T. and Walter Wright There is a free reception at 6PM at the Bates, so you can see the art, and have some win and cheese, then catch what looks to be a very interesting show. (South End open studios is this weekend, so you can visit other arts spaces before the reception). The Bates is at 731 Harrison Ave, Boston MA 02118 www.homeinc.org/Bates.htm for directions From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 9 01:02:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8950k516691; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 01:00:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 01:00:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Kaoss Pad Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 22:00:38 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Eee hee hee heee, The Kaoss Pad is totally dope! I finally plugged the Ztar doubleneck straight into it, and assigned the joystick to the axes (axi?) of the pad and played some one handed guitar for a while. Kinda like when my right arm was operated on, but wackier . . . Not a looper but darned effective in getting you off the path you had in mind-- Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 9 01:54:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h895qgg22701; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 01:52:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 01:52:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 01:54:31 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Subscape Annex (Tuesday) 9 September 2003, Raleigh NC Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll be playing Chapman Stick and probably theremin with the ambient/industrial looping soundscapes trio (the other two members both play synth keyboards) I'm a member of, at an art gallery in eastern NC (Raleigh) this Tuesday 9-11pm. obLoop: My looping gear is going to be any 2 of an Akai Headrush (if the power jack doesn't conk out again), RC-20 LoopStation, Electrix Repeater, and/or Z-Vex Lo-Fi Loop Junky, plus assorted other delay/echo/reverb effects (Moog Music analog delay, Way Huge Blue Hippo analog chorus, Tel-Ray/Morley EVO-1 oilcan echo pedal, etc.).It's an early show, and free. Details and URLs in the email below. best, Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ ------------- Subscape Annex returns to Bickett Gallery in Raleigh NC on Tuesday September 9 at as part of the 23 Hours event. We will be playing an early evening show which will start at 9pm and we will be stopping at or just before 11pm. Cost is free, with donations (going towards the Contemporary Art Museum) requested. Subscape Annex is an ambient improvisational soundscape trio consisting of Steve Burnett (Chapman Stick, theremin), Rob Lewis (synthesizers) and Anthony Staton (synthesizers, vocalizations). 23 Hours is an assemblage of roughly forty local bands and performers and approximately thirty-six visual artists from August 8 to September 14. Bickett Gallery is near the Five Points intersection of Raleigh, a few blocks from the Rialto Theatre on Glenwood Avenue. http://www.bickettgallery.com/ directions and map: http://www.bickettgallery.com/08contact.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 9 04:23:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h898K3909393; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 04:20:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 04:20:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030909022756.01ad89a0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 02:27:56 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Cranky Kim In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030827204448.033e5620@loopers-delight.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You mean Cara and Mark! lol! -Are nudity and body paint and bunches o' money involved?! -Sorry, came in on this really really really late as I was off having a life, oops, I mean away fromm reading e-mail for a bit, taking a lil' trip to the east coast seeing fam and such and generally being at sea level for a bit. -Talk with y'all soon when I catch up... Smiles, Cara At 08:47 PM 8/27/03 -0700, you wrote: >At 03:53 PM 8/27/2003, William R. Walker, wrote: >>I don't know about you but I've found a name for my new post-grunge neo- >>apocalyptic fusion metal band. >> >> >>KRANKY KIM > >I'll only allow it if I can be the singer. (I assume it won't require any >singing ability.) I want Mark and Cara to be the cage dancers/wrestlers. > >kim > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 9 04:35:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h898VL610423; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 04:31:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 04:31:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030909023918.007b4c20@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 02:39:18 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: learning to play perfectly to a click track In-Reply-To: References: <003301c372e9$aa89a640$1912be18@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually, dearest Mark of my desires, -not sure if your link is current or not, in it's sources and such, but according to a phisics text used in graduate physics classes for CU Boulder in late nineties, light is an electro-magnetic process as well. I beleve its frequency is approx 10^20000 hz or so. My numbers may be off, but this is or seems to be, the current thinking. Love ya, kiss kiss lol! Cara At 11:44 AM 9/4/03 -0700, you wrote: >Sound never becomes light. Sound is kinetic energy and light is >electromagnetic energy. > >http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect/light/spectrum.html > >I've done the pulse to pitch experiment and it's interesting, but I >don't really think it has a lot to do with being able to keep tempo. >As far as that is concerned, you've just got to practice practice >practice... and being able to hear everyone in the group. > >Mark Sottilaro > >On Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 06:07 AM, Douglas Baldwin wrote: > >>> Rhythm becomes pitch, which we sense with our ears. Beyond >> sound, waves become the various spectra of light, one octave of which >> we see as >>> visible light. > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 9 04:49:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h898m6012364; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 04:48:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 04:48:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030909025601.007bc9d0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 02:56:01 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: learning to play perfectly to a click track In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20030909023918.007b4c20@pop.earthlink.net> References: <003301c372e9$aa89a640$1912be18@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually, dearest Markness o' my desires again, it seems I misread your post. ` -That's what I get for writing late... lol! -but Hey!, you're filtering me anyway, so why should I care?! lollollol! Still love ya anyway!, -kiss kiss lol! C At 02:39 AM 9/9/03 -0600, you wrote: > Actually, dearest Mark of my desires, -not sure if your link is current >or not, in it's sources and such, but according to a phisics text used in >graduate physics classes for CU Boulder in late nineties, light is an >electro-magnetic process as well. > I beleve its frequency is approx 10^20000 hz or so. My numbers may be >off, but this is or seems to be, the current thinking. > >Love ya, kiss kiss lol! > >Cara > >At 11:44 AM 9/4/03 -0700, you wrote: >>Sound never becomes light. Sound is kinetic energy and light is >>electromagnetic energy. >> >>http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect/light/spectrum.html >> >>I've done the pulse to pitch experiment and it's interesting, but I >>don't really think it has a lot to do with being able to keep tempo. >>As far as that is concerned, you've just got to practice practice >>practice... and being able to hear everyone in the group. >> >>Mark Sottilaro >> >>On Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 06:07 AM, Douglas Baldwin wrote: >> >>>> Rhythm becomes pitch, which we sense with our ears. Beyond >>> sound, waves become the various spectra of light, one octave of which >>> we see as >>>> visible light. >> >> > > >--- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. >-Then, anything is possible..." > >http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > >Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 9 05:09:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8993gm15683; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 05:03:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 05:03:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030909031138.00966250@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 03:11:38 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: RE: looking for a Warr In-Reply-To: <001e01c373f3$e116c980$7f613d44@soulfruit> References: <20030905211637.24335.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah, come on!, sure it is! lol! I have a 5-string Steinberger Spirit bass that I'm selling really cheap! -great condition, plays and sounds awesome! lol! -anybody interested? come on, ya know ya want it! *smiles seductively* lol! Oh, and it has a BUILT-IN DL-4 REALLY! -well, no, not really, that's actually a total lie. lol! but hey!, it's still way cool, and this note even had loop content lol! SMiles, Cara, who will be going to sleep soon, to the delight of most LD'ers... At 05:22 PM 9/5/03 -0400, you wrote: >I don't understand what the sale of a bass has to do with looping. I >don't believe it is an appropriate topic here. > >Respect > >Will Brake >Soul Fruit Electronics > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Greg House [mailto:ghunicycle@yahoo.com] >Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:17 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: looking for a Warr > >--- Jeff Shirkey wrote: >> >this bass player with poor English is searching for someone who is >> >selling a 12 string Warr Guitar , >> >> I suppose what people are wondering is why you joined a looper's >> mailing list to post a want ad for a bass guitar. > >Actually, this isn't such an odd spot to look for an unusual instrument, >since >many of the people on this list play them. In fact, I don't know of >another list >with a greater concentration of Warr/Stick players. (Sure, there's >Stickwire, but >I never see anything on there from the non-Chapman contingency). > >Greg > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 9 05:21:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h899JaW17463; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 05:19:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 05:19:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.135.87.136] X-Originating-Email: [mucero@msn.com] From: "Amy Mucero" To: References: <20030905211637.24335.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> <3.0.5.32.20030909031138.00966250@pop.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: looking for a Warr Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 02:19:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02E0_01C37678.CC2B51D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 02:19:29 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Sep 2003 09:19:27.0569 (UTC) FILETIME=[77AF0C10:01C376B3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02E0_01C37678.CC2B51D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I find that some people are very rude here ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Goddess=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:11 AM Subject: RE: looking for a Warr Ah, come on!, sure it is! lol! I have a 5-string Steinberger Spirit bass that I'm selling really cheap! -great = condition, plays and sounds awesome! lol! -anybody interested? = come on, ya know ya want it! *smiles seductively* lol! =20 Oh, and it has a BUILT-IN DL-4 REALLY! -well, no, not really, = that's actually a total lie. lol! but hey!, it's still way cool, and this = note even had loop content lol! =20 SMiles, Cara, who will be going to sleep soon, to the delight of most = LD'ers... =20 At 05:22 PM 9/5/03 -0400, you wrote: >I don't understand what the sale of a bass has to do with looping. I >don't believe it is an appropriate topic here. > >Respect >=20 >Will Brake >Soul Fruit Electronics >=20 > >-----Original Message----- >From: Greg House [mailto:ghunicycle@yahoo.com]=20 >Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:17 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: looking for a Warr > >--- Jeff Shirkey wrote: >> >this bass player with poor English is searching for someone who is = >> >selling a 12 string Warr Guitar , >>=20 >> I suppose what people are wondering is why you joined a looper's=20 >> mailing list to post a want ad for a bass guitar.=20 > >Actually, this isn't such an odd spot to look for an unusual = instrument, >since >many of the people on this list play them. In fact, I don't know of >another list >with a greater concentration of Warr/Stick players. (Sure, there's >Stickwire, but >I never see anything on there from the non-Chapman contingency). > >Greg > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and = eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." =20 http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. =20 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction=20 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe=20 ------=_NextPart_000_02E0_01C37678.CC2B51D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I find that some people are very rude here
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Goddess
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, = 2003 2:11=20 AM
Subject: RE: looking for a = Warr

  <smile>   Ah, come on!, sure it=20 is!   lol!   I have a 5-string
Steinberger = Spirit bass=20 that I'm selling really cheap!   -great condition,
plays = and=20 sounds awesome!   lol!   -anybody = interested?  =20 <smile>   come
on, ya know ya want it!   = *smiles=20 seductively*   lol!  
  Oh, and it has a = BUILT-IN=20 DL-4 REALLY!   -well, no, not really, that's
actually a = total=20 lie.   lol!   but hey!, it's still way cool, and = this=20 note
even had loop content lol!   =

SMiles,

Cara,=20 who will be going to sleep soon, to the delight of most = LD'ers... =20

At 05:22 PM 9/5/03 -0400, you wrote:
>I don't understand = what=20 the sale of a bass has to do with looping. I
>don't believe it = is an=20 appropriate topic here.
>
>Respect
>
>Will=20 Brake
>Soul Fruit Electronics
> =
>
>-----Original=20 Message-----
>From: Greg House [mailto:ghunicycle@yahoo.com]=20
>Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:17 PM
>To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
>Subject:=20 Re: looking for a Warr
>
>--- Jeff Shirkey <jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu= >=20 wrote:
>> >this bass player with poor English is searching = for=20 someone who is
>> >selling a 12 string Warr Guitar = ,
>>=20
>> I suppose what people are wondering is why you joined a = looper's=20
>> mailing list to post a want ad for a bass guitar.=20
>
>Actually, this isn't such an odd spot to look for an = unusual=20 instrument,
>since
>many of the people on this list play = them. In=20 fact, I don't know of
>another list
>with a greater = concentration=20 of Warr/Stick players. (Sure, there's
>Stickwire, but
>I = never see=20 anything on there from the non-Chapman=20 = contingency).
>
>Greg
>
>________________________= __________
>Do=20 you Yahoo!?
>Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site = design=20 = software
>http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
>
>


-= --

 =20 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and=20 eachother.
-Then, anything is possible..." 

http://home.earthlink.net/~t= hefates

Please=20 visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. 

http://groups.yahoo.com= /group/badfiction=20

http://groups.yaho= o.com/group/the-guitar-cafe=20


------=_NextPart_000_02E0_01C37678.CC2B51D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 9 05:34:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h899XJm19297; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 05:33:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 05:33:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030909034115.01a07c70@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 03:41:15 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: looking for a Warr In-Reply-To: References: <20030905211637.24335.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> <3.0.5.32.20030909031138.00966250@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Amy, you're very right. -but I hope you're not referring to my reply, it wasn't directed at you. It was a humorous retort to the whole idea that bass or Stick inquiries weren't welcome here, as we've got quite a few bassists and Stick players here who loop. There are most definitely alot of egos here, including of course, my own. lol! -but I find the outright rudeness of some here to be quite distasteful. -believe me, you haven't seen the worst of it! lol! -just my thoughts. Have a wonderful evening!... Smiles, Cara At 02:19 AM 9/9/03 -0700, you wrote: > I find that some people are very rude here ----- Original Message >----- From: Goddess To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:11 AM Subject: RE: looking for a >Warr > <> I have a 5-string > -great condition, > <> come > > -well, no, not really, that's > but hey!, it's still way cool, and this note > > >SMiles, > > > >At 05:22 PM 9/5/03 -0400, you wrote: >>I don't understand what the sale of a bass has to do with looping. I >>don't believe it is an appropriate topic here. >> >>Respect >> >>Will Brake >>Soul Fruit Electronics >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Greg House [mailto:ghunicycle@yahoo.com] >>Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:17 PM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Re: looking for a Warr >> >> wrote: >>>>this bass player with poor English is searching for someone who is >>>>selling a 12 string Warr Guitar , >>> >>> I suppose what people are wondering is why you joined a looper's >>> mailing list to post a want ad for a bass guitar. >> >>Actually, this isn't such an odd spot to look for an unusual instrument, >>since >>many of the people on this list play them. In fact, I don't know of >>another list >>with a greater concentration of Warr/Stick players. (Sure, there's >>Stickwire, but >>I never see anything on there from the non-Chapman contingency). >> >>Greg >> >>__________________________________ >>Do you Yahoo!? >>Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >>http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com >> >> > > >--- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. > > >http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 9 05:38:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h899ZUa19576; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 05:35:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 05:35:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.135.87.136] X-Originating-Email: [mucero@msn.com] From: "Amy Mucero" To: References: <20030905211637.24335.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> <3.0.5.32.20030909031138.00966250@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20030909034115.01a07c70@pop.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: looking for a Warr Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 02:35:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02F3_01C3767B.05A26690"; type="multipart/alternative" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 02:35:24 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Sep 2003 09:35:23.0601 (UTC) FILETIME=[B185F410:01C376B5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02F3_01C3767B.05A26690 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_02F4_01C3767B.05A26690" ------=_NextPart_001_02F4_01C3767B.05A26690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable no it wasn't for you it was just an observation overall thanks for = being so nice ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Goddess=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:41 AM Subject: Re: looking for a Warr Amy, you're very right. -but I hope you're not referring to my = reply, it wasn't directed at you. It was a humorous retort to the whole idea = that bass or Stick inquiries weren't welcome here, as we've got quite a few bassists and Stick players here who loop. =20 There are most definitely alot of egos here, including of course, my = own. lol! -but I find the outright rudeness of some here to be quite distasteful. -believe me, you haven't seen the worst of it! lol! -just my thoughts. Have a wonderful evening!... =20 Smiles, Cara At 02:19 AM 9/9/03 -0700, you wrote: > I find that some people are very rude here ----- Original = Message >----- From: Goddess To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com = =20 >Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:11 AM Subject: RE: looking = for a >Warr =20 > <> I have a 5-string > -great condition, > <> come > =20 > -well, no, not really, that's > but hey!, it's still way cool, and this note > =20 > >SMiles, > > =20 > >At 05:22 PM 9/5/03 -0400, you wrote: >>I don't understand what the sale of a bass has to do with = looping. I >>don't believe it is an appropriate topic here. >> >>Respect >>=20 >>Will Brake >>Soul Fruit Electronics >>=20 >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Greg House [mailto:ghunicycle@yahoo.com] =20 >>Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:17 PM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Re: looking for a Warr >> >> wrote: >>>>this bass player with poor English is searching for someone who = is=20 >>>>selling a 12 string Warr Guitar , >>> =20 >>> I suppose what people are wondering is why you joined a looper's = =20 >>> mailing list to post a want ad for a bass guitar. =20 >> >>Actually, this isn't such an odd spot to look for an unusual = instrument, >>since >>many of the people on this list play them. In fact, I don't know = of >>another list >>with a greater concentration of Warr/Stick players. (Sure, = there's >>Stickwire, but >>I never see anything on there from the non-Chapman = contingency). >> >>Greg >> >>__________________________________ >>Do you Yahoo!? >>Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >>http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com >> >> > > >--- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. > =20 > >http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > =20 > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction =20 > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe =20 > > > >=20 --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and = eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." =20 http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. =20 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction=20 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe=20 ------=_NextPart_001_02F4_01C3767B.05A26690 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
no it wasn=92t for you it was just an observation overall  = thanks=20 for  being so nice3D"Smiley
----- Original Message -----
From: Goddess
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, = 2003 2:41=20 AM
Subject: Re: looking for a = Warr

  Amy, you're very right.   -but I hope = you're=20 not referring to my reply,
it wasn't directed at you.  It was = a=20 humorous retort to the whole idea that
bass or Stick inquiries = weren't=20 welcome here, as we've got quite a few
bassists and Stick players = here who=20 loop. 
  There are most definitely alot of egos here, = including=20 of course, my own.
  lol!  -but I find the outright = rudeness of=20 some here to be quite
distasteful.  <smile>   = -believe=20 me, you haven't seen the worst of it!
lol!     = -just my=20 thoughts.   Have a wonderful evening!... =20

Smiles,

Cara

At 02:19 AM 9/9/03 -0700, you=20 wrote:
>    I find that some people are very rude = here      ----- Original=20 Message
>-----    From: Goddess    = To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com     =20
>Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:11   =20 AM   Subject: RE: looking for a
>Warr   =
>=20 <>       I have a=20 5-string
>   -great=20 condition,
>      <>  =20 come
>       =
>   =20 -well, no, not really, that's
>     but = hey!, it's=20 still way cool, and this    note
>  =20
>
>SMiles,
>
>    =20
>
>At 05:22 PM 9/5/03 -0400, you wrote:
>>I = don't=20 understand what    the sale of a bass has to do with = looping.=20 I
>>don't believe it is an    appropriate = topic=20 here.
>>
>>Respect
>>=20
>>Will    Brake
>>Soul Fruit=20 Electronics
>>=20
>>
>>-----Original   =20 Message-----
>>From: Greg House=20 [mailto:ghunicycle@yahoo.com]   
>>Sent: = Friday,=20 September 05, 2003 5:17 PM
>>To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
>>Subject:   =20 Re: looking for a Warr
>>
>><jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu= >   =20 wrote:
>>>>this bass player with poor English is = searching=20 for    someone who is
>>>>selling a 12 = string=20 Warr Guitar ,
>>>   
>>> I = suppose=20 what people are wondering is why you joined a = looper's   =20
>>> mailing list to post a want ad for a bass=20 guitar.   
>>
>>Actually, this isn't = such an=20 odd spot to look for an unusual   =20 instrument,
>>since
>>many of the people on this = list play=20 them. In    fact, I don't know of
>>another=20 list
>>with a greater concentration    of = Warr/Stick=20 players. (Sure, there's
>>Stickwire, but
>>I never=20 see    anything on there from the = non-Chapman   =20 = contingency).
>>
>>Greg
>>
>>________= __________________________
>>Do   =20 you Yahoo!?
>>Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site = design   =20 = software
>>http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
>>
>><= BR>>
>
>---
>
>    =20 "The only things I really think are important, are love,=20 and
eachother.
> =20 =
>
>http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates
>
> = =20 =
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction   = ;=20 =
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe  =  =20
>
>
>
>


---

  "The = only=20 things I really think are important, are love, and = eachother.
-Then,=20 anything is possible..." 

http://home.earthlink.net/~t= hefates

Please=20 visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. 

http://groups.yahoo.com= /group/badfiction=20

http://groups.yaho= o.com/group/the-guitar-cafe=20


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Love you Matthias > Amy, you're very right. -but I hope you're not referring to my reply, >it wasn't directed at you. It was a humorous retort to the whole idea that >bass or Stick inquiries weren't welcome here, as we've got quite a few >bassists and Stick players here who loop. > There are most definitely alot of egos here, including of course, my own. > lol! -but I find the outright rudeness of some here to be quite >distasteful. -believe me, you haven't seen the worst of it! >lol! -just my thoughts. Have a wonderful evening!... > >Smiles, > >Cara > >At 02:19 AM 9/9/03 -0700, you wrote: >> I find that some people are very rude here ----- Original Message >>----- From: Goddess To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:11 AM Subject: RE: looking for a >>Warr >> <> I have a 5-string >> -great condition, >> <> come >> >> -well, no, not really, that's >> but hey!, it's still way cool, and this note >> >> >>SMiles, >> >> >> >>At 05:22 PM 9/5/03 -0400, you wrote: >>>I don't understand what the sale of a bass has to do with looping. I >>>don't believe it is an appropriate topic here. >>> >>>Respect >>> >>>Will Brake >>>Soul Fruit Electronics >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Greg House [mailto:ghunicycle@yahoo.com] >>>Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:17 PM >>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>Subject: Re: looking for a Warr >>> >>> wrote: >>>>>this bass player with poor English is searching for someone who is >>>>>selling a 12 string Warr Guitar , >>>> >>>> I suppose what people are wondering is why you joined a looper's >>>> mailing list to post a want ad for a bass guitar. >>> >>>Actually, this isn't such an odd spot to look for an unusual instrument, >>>since >>>many of the people on this list play them. In fact, I don't know of >>>another list >>>with a greater concentration of Warr/Stick players. (Sure, there's >>>Stickwire, but >>>I never see anything on there from the non-Chapman contingency). >>> >>>Greg >>> >>>__________________________________ >>>Do you Yahoo!? >>>Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >>>http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com >>> >>> >> >> >>--- >> >> "The only things I really think are important, are love, and >eachother. >> >> >>http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates >> >> >> >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction >> >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe >> >> >> >> > > >--- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. >-Then, anything is possible..." > >http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > >Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 9 10:23:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h89EJpm03393; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 10:19:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 10:19:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 07:19:46 -0700 Subject: Re: another MP3 from soon to be released album... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200309090921.h899LoV17706@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No way man--it's Raphael Ravenscroft. He did a bunch of stuff with Pink Floyd and David Gilmour later on. TravisH On Tuesday, September 9, 2003, at 02:21 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: >> For the first minute or two, I actually thought it might be called >> "Baker Street"... ;) > > LOL - there was a fantastic urban myth going round the UK in the 90s > that > the sax solo on Baker Street was played by a kitch TV game show host > called > Bob Holness - so maybe I ought to bill him as the (un)invited guest on > this > track.. :o) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 9 10:27:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h89EMnd04009; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 10:22:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 10:22:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.26.4.2] X-Originating-Email: [daviddurian@msn.com] From: "David Durian" To: "Loopers-Delight" References: Subject: Re: digitech gnx3 Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 10:22:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A2_01C376BC.4998DD70" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 10:22:35 -0400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Sep 2003 14:22:40.0420 (UTC) FILETIME=[D377CE40:01C376DD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A2_01C376BC.4998DD70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I definitely have to agree with Tim here--the GNX3 has great effects. I = almost kept mine because the effects were so good, even though, for my = music, the looper had some issues. And the last few weeks, I've actually = thought about getting one again to use (just) as an effects processor. Tim wrote: Side notes: The effects that are packaged with this device are still great, which = should make it useful to me even after I get a 'real" looper like the EDP in = the near future. The fact that you can plug your mic directly, decide if = it will be assigned the effects of your preset, and loop it is a very = cool thing. If your willing to bend over mid-performance you can turn on and off = tracks that you've laid down. ------=_NextPart_000_00A2_01C376BC.4998DD70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I definitely have to agree with Tim here--the GNX3 has great = effects. I=20 almost kept mine because the effects were so good, even though, for my = music,=20 the looper had some issues. And the last few weeks, I've actually = thought about=20 getting one again to use (just) as an effects processor.
 
Tim wrote:

Side notes:
The effects that are packaged with this device = are=20 still great, which should
make it useful to me even after I get a = 'real"=20 looper like the EDP in the
near future.  The fact that you can = plug=20 your mic directly, decide if it
will be assigned the effects of = your=20 preset, and loop it is a very cool
thing.
If your willing to = bend over=20 mid-performance you can turn on and off tracks
that you've laid=20 down.
------=_NextPart_000_00A2_01C376BC.4998DD70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 9 10:27:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h89EOUq04298; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 10:24:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 10:24:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.26.4.2] X-Originating-Email: [daviddurian@msn.com] From: "David Durian" To: "Loopers-Delight" References: Subject: Re: gnx3 Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 10:24:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BB_01C376BC.85ACF620" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 10:24:16 -0400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Sep 2003 14:24:24.0356 (UTC) FILETIME=[116B2E40:01C376DE] Resent-Message-ID: <-F46CC.A.CDB.eKeX_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BB_01C376BC.85ACF620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Robert, Glad I could be of help. It's always nice when we looper's delight = posters can help one another.
Robert,
 
Glad I could be of help. It's always nice when we looper's delight = posters=20 can help one another. <smile
 
David Durian
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard J. Roberts
To: Loopers = Delight
Sent: Monday, September 08, = 2003 8:34=20 PM
Subject: Re: gnx3

David -

Thanks for your assessment; you've quite = likely=20 saved me some money(!). I
play  wind synth & many = different flutes=20 in a solo ambient setting, and from
what you've told me, I'd = probably do=20 best with a second JamMan. I might try
a Repeater sometime, though, = pitch-shifting would be a handy FX to have.

Richard / = =F8?
--=20
------=_NextPart_000_00BB_01C376BC.85ACF620-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 9 10:44:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h89Eec406838; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 10:40:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 10:40:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: Help and Bye Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 10:40:32 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c376e0$52b71d30$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <900lbC.A.rqB.mZeX_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I've no time to separate the wheat from chaff, so I'm bidding all of you goodbye. I trust you found something helpful in my posts. If you need my assistance in the future, you can contact me off list at: wbrake@comcast.net or http://www.soul-fruit.com Best of luck to all and may all you loops sync in harmony! Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 9:39 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looking for a Warr Gee, dear Cara is in a very good mood after relaxing at see level. and its full moon, right? lol ! Love you Matthias > Amy, you're very right. -but I hope you're not referring to my reply, >it wasn't directed at you. It was a humorous retort to the whole idea that >bass or Stick inquiries weren't welcome here, as we've got quite a few >bassists and Stick players here who loop. > There are most definitely alot of egos here, including of course, my own. > lol! -but I find the outright rudeness of some here to be quite >distasteful. -believe me, you haven't seen the worst of it! >lol! -just my thoughts. Have a wonderful evening!... > >Smiles, > >Cara > >At 02:19 AM 9/9/03 -0700, you wrote: >> I find that some people are very rude here ----- Original Message >>----- From: Goddess To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:11 AM Subject: RE: looking for a >>Warr >> <> I have a 5-string >> -great condition, >> <> come >> >> -well, no, not really, that's >> but hey!, it's still way cool, and this note >> >> >>SMiles, >> >> >> >>At 05:22 PM 9/5/03 -0400, you wrote: >>>I don't understand what the sale of a bass has to do with looping. I >>>don't believe it is an appropriate topic here. >>> >>>Respect >>> >>>Will Brake >>>Soul Fruit Electronics >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Greg House [mailto:ghunicycle@yahoo.com] >>>Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:17 PM >>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>Subject: Re: looking for a Warr >>> >>> wrote: >>>>>this bass player with poor English is searching for someone who is >>>>>selling a 12 string Warr Guitar , >>>> >>>> I suppose what people are wondering is why you joined a looper's >>>> mailing list to post a want ad for a bass guitar. >>> >>>Actually, this isn't such an odd spot to look for an unusual instrument, >>>since >>>many of the people on this list play them. In fact, I don't know of >>>another list >>>with a greater concentration of Warr/Stick players. (Sure, there's >>>Stickwire, but >>>I never see anything on there from the non-Chapman contingency). >>> >>>Greg >>> >>>__________________________________ >>>Do you Yahoo!? >>>Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >>>http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com >>> >>> >> >> >>--- >> >> "The only things I really think are important, are love, and >eachother. >> >> >>http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates >> >> >> >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction >> >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe >> >> >> >> > > >--- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. >-Then, anything is possible..." > >http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > >Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 9 10:58:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h89EspE09176; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 10:54:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 10:54:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Raphael Ravenscroft--Purty Darned OT Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 07:54:41 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh yeah, I've got his solo album. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Travis [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 7:20 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: another MP3 from soon to be released album... No way man--it's Raphael Ravenscroft. He did a bunch of stuff with Pink Floyd and David Gilmour later on. TravisH On Tuesday, September 9, 2003, at 02:21 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: >> For the first minute or two, I actually thought it might be called >> "Baker Street"... ;) > > LOL - there was a fantastic urban myth going round the UK in the 90s > that > the sax solo on Baker Street was played by a kitch TV game show host > called > Bob Holness - so maybe I ought to bill him as the (un)invited guest on > this > track.. :o) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 9 13:08:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h89H1Oh32612; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 13:01:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 13:01:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 10:01:21 -0700 Subject: RUDE (was Re: looking for a Warr) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Cc: mucero@msn.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Sottilaro In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <3CC1416D-E2E7-11D7-8ABF-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Welcome to the internet. A forum where you can't see any of the other contributers is ripe with this kind of behavior. However, while we all go Off Topic (often a lot), I think the reason that you're getting an especially rude reaction is because this is the first and only post any of us have ever seen from you. Perhaps if you had introduced yourself, described how your loop setup works or what you're doing with loops and your music and THEN asked if any of us knew of a Warr for sale you would have received a much better and more helpful response. I get pissed at people who yell at me for being off topic every now and then (ok, maybe a lot) because I've been typing volumes about looping and looping gear on this list since 1994. Think of it in terms of a party. Would you walk into a party where you didn't know anyone and ask if anyone was selling a Warr guitar? Nope. Even if you knew it was populated by a lot of musicians, you'd first try to strike up general conversations with the people at the party based on what they were already talking about and *then* maybe interject that you were looking for a certain instrument. Walking into a party and interrupting the conversation with your specific agenda is.. well plain and simply rude. You can't change the world, but you can change yourself. Frankly, if you became one of the people who only made random off topic posts I'd probably eventually just set up an email filter to not have to deal with you. Maybe rude, but time effective. No one here really owes you anything, so maybe you'd be better off thinking about what you can give before you ask for what you can get. Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, September 9, 2003, at 02:19 AM, Amy Mucero wrote: > I find that some people are very rude here From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 9 13:46:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h89HibS06039; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 13:44:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 13:44:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c376fa$0a666490$ce2a93d4@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <3CC1416D-E2E7-11D7-8ABF-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: RUDE (was Re: looking for a Warr) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 19:44:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark is younger than he thinks :-) > topic every now and then (ok, maybe a lot) because I've been typing > volumes about looping and looping gear on this list since 1994. check out Mark's first post sep 18 1997 http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199709/msg00185.html Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 9 14:11:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h89I09S09646; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 14:00:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 14:00:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-2.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1063129305!2211881 X-StarScan-Version: 5.0.7; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB528@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Line6 loopers Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 18:37:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C376F9.1B4ECFF0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C376F9.1B4ECFF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>15750 Hz Yeah, that's gotta be what I'm hearing. Any shielding tips folks? << the crap that comes out of tv's (and I'm speaking of the EM radiation, not the content) gets everywhere and guitars can only avoid picking it up when fitted with decent humbuckers. unfortunately, this rather limits what you can do with the guitar.... one idea, though, and not a new one by any means, is to adopt the alembic trick of using a dummy pickup to do the humbucking. this would have to be carefully level matched with whatever combination of real pickups you happen to be using. there is probably a market for something that automatically performs noise-cancellation in this manner, like these noise-cancelling headphones that you can get. the shash that you're catching from the tv sets is pretty omnidirectional. but you could start by finding an old single-coil pickup, which you could glue underneath the scratchplate somewhere. to be effective, it ought to be in the same plane as the other pickups, and roughly the same impedance. take out the polepieces and wire it through a pull-switch pot, so you can fine-tune the phase and balance. alternatively, you could work on the proprietors to switch to plasma screens..... or set up in some sort of metal cage and run a ground wire. you could have a sign on the front: "don't feed the looper- beer only". duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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Yeah, that's gotta be what I'm hearing.  Any shielding tips folks? <<
 
 
 
the crap that comes out of tv's (and I'm speaking of the EM radiation, not the content) gets everywhere and guitars can only avoid picking it up when fitted with decent humbuckers. unfortunately, this rather limits what you can do with the guitar....
one idea, though, and not a new one by any means, is to adopt the alembic trick of using a dummy pickup to do the humbucking. this would have to be carefully level matched with whatever combination of real pickups you happen to be using.
 
there is probably a market for something that automatically performs noise-cancellation in this manner, like these noise-cancelling headphones that you can get. the shash that you're catching from the tv sets is pretty omnidirectional.
 
but you could start by finding an old single-coil pickup, which you could glue underneath the scratchplate somewhere. to be effective, it ought to be in the same plane as the other pickups, and roughly the same impedance. take out the polepieces and wire it through a pull-switch pot, so you can fine-tune the phase and balance.
 
alternatively, you could work on the proprietors to switch to plasma screens..... or set up in some sort of metal cage and run a ground wire. you could have a sign on the front: "don't feed the looper- beer only".
 
duncan.  


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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C376F9.1B4ECFF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 9 14:11:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h89I9EP10928; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 14:09:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 14:09:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 11:09:12 -0700 Subject: Re: RUDE (was Re: looking for a Warr) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000901c376fa$0a666490$ce2a93d4@mini> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow. That's a shaker-upper! 97?! I could have sworn I got the JamMan in 94 and joined LD soon after. Could be wrong. So very long ago... Look at me! Thinking because the JamMan passed stereo it was stereo. I was so young and gullible. Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, September 9, 2003, at 10:44 AM, Claude Voit wrote: > Mark is younger than he thinks :-) > >> topic every now and then (ok, maybe a lot) because I've been typing >> volumes about looping and looping gear on this list since 1994. > > check out Mark's first post sep 18 1997 > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199709/msg00185.html > > Claude > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 9 14:19:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h89IAgn11148; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 14:10:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 14:10:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002a01c376fd$aca984a0$0207a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <3CC1416D-E2E7-11D7-8ABF-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> <000901c376fa$0a666490$ce2a93d4@mini> Subject: Re: RUDE (was Re: looking for a Warr) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 19:10:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claude Voit" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 18:44 PM Subject: Re: RUDE (was Re: looking for a Warr) > Mark is younger than he thinks :-) > > > topic every now and then (ok, maybe a lot) because I've been typing > > volumes about looping and looping gear on this list since 1994. > > check out Mark's first post sep 18 1997 > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199709/msg00185.html > > Claude Actually I get nothing more than the menus and logo, with a blue space between. Looking via author doesn't show much more, either. Yes, I've got Java enabled.... Steve Goodman * EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 9 16:12:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h89K25M01895; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 16:02:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 16:02:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030909124049.02684410@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 13:04:39 -0700 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Gear Price alert In-Reply-To: <200309082309.h88N9gn24856@minds-eye.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:09 PM 9/8/2003, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: >And don't forget to go to Zzounds from the portal on the LD site. thanks! that really helps. > Speaking of LD advertisments, what's up with the semi porn of that >players club banner anyway. sorry, sometimes things like that slip through from the ad banner company I use. I get to select which ads come through, but I get lazy sometimes and just click all of them. They usually don't like stuff like that either, and this one got deleted from their rotation already anyway. Hopefully it doesn't come back. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 10 01:25:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8A5M2H07594; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 01:22:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 01:22:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 22:21:58 -0700 Subject: Re: RUDE (was Re: looking for a Warr) From: Mark Hamburg To: , Claude Voit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000901c376fa$0a666490$ce2a93d4@mini> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Interesting. That sparked me going back and looking at my old posts. Mostly on topic until I got deep into a Warez debate. Markk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 10 03:45:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8A7gpK24310; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 03:42:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 03:42:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005e01c3776f$1f1f0e30$01b52b04@purgatory> From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: Ebay Spam: Akai Headrush Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 00:42:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a Akai Headrush up for grabs on Ebay if anybody is interested. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2557463229 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 10 06:57:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8AAtpP17172; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 06:55:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 06:55:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01d801c37789$b0877c80$0d69fe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: Cc: References: <1da.107a1380.2c8dcd2b@aol.com> Subject: Re: EDP problem Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:52:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the input but it doesn´t seem to be a grounding problem, but when tweaking the input potentiometer a scanning noise like fine tuning a shortwave radio becomes faintly audible. I guess there´s some noise generated inside the input stage which builds up until it produces this annoying whine. Any idea? Does shifting the gain structure eventually help? Regards, Stephen. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 2:16 PM Subject: EDP problem > In a message dated 04/09/03 14:44:58 GMT Daylight Time, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > > > Hi all, > > > > my old Echoplex developed a minor fault during the past couple of = > > months. Independent from the chosen delay time, it starts to produce = > > sort of a metallic "ring" after a while, slightly reminiscent of a short = > > > quick reply:- > > try changing the way which you connect to mains, > > may be some kind of earthing problem, > I've heard similar, but only with 2 brothersynced EDPs > > andy butler > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 10 10:03:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8AE2Ba12077; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:02:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:02:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 08:53:53 -0500 Subject: WTB: DigiTech RDS 7.6 Time Machine From: ":: noise ::" To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200309081901.h88J1JF07838@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3146028833_1883881_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3146028833_1883881_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hello - I'm interested in purchasing a DigiTech RDS 7.6 Time Machine. Does anyone on the list have one that's currently collecting dust? Cosmetic condition not important but functionality is. Please respond off-list. Thanks Adam --MS_Mac_OE_3146028833_1883881_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable WTB: DigiTech RDS 7.6 Time Machine Hello -

I'm interested in purchasing a DigiTech RDS 7.6 Time Machine. Does anyone o= n the list have one that's currently collecting dust? Cosmetic condition not= important but functionality is. Please respond off-list.

Thanks

Adam

=20 --MS_Mac_OE_3146028833_1883881_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 10 10:56:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8AErQp18705; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:53:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:53:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 07:53:14 -0700 Subject: Re: RUDE (was Re: looking for a Warr) From: glenn To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3CC1416D-E2E7-11D7-8ABF-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h8AErPW18684 Resent-Message-ID: <1ldBK.A.LkE.mrzX_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I feel this is rationalization for a Lord of the Flies kind of phenomenon, if a person walked into a party and made their first attempt to socialize in that environment and the dominant males by the watering holes surrounded that person and started clawing at the individual, this would be sad. It would suggest a (tightknit, not in the sense of freestanding natural closeness alone, but rather accompanied by an high sense of self worth psychological investment in who is in and who is out - essentially fear based mentality) party, without compassion or even the tact to welcome a newcomer(whether their first word are awkward or not): it would cheapen the party. how about it was meaningless and innocent. If they started posting ads daily for all kinds of band instruments and links to porn sites then by all means, I'll act like a baboon right alongside. But what some here are up to feels a bit more like a pre-emptive strike, rationalized by a kind of "well probably have some WMD they're getting ready to use". has Bush really been so influential to the human spirit? okay so someone starts out by saying anyone got a high end bass x for sale? so what? hopefully we have got enough raw content to sustain us without spiraling into this kind of trigger-happy caca, which by the way is a LOT more painful to sift through than if someone had posted half a dozen gear ads. For instance: I know it's been covered in a lot of ways, but can anyone suggest a testing regimen for a just-purchased simpletech 256 cfc on a repeater? (I'll post what i did and how well it worked on this and hopefully not other models) Someone said something about forwards and backwards recording in stereo? Very open to CFC testing tips. have to test it friday/sat of this week cause it's just before the return period is over. Why not let this whole thing go, welcome this member(welcome!) and move on already. thanks, glenn syc·o·phant    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (sick-of ant) n. A servile self-seeker who attempts to win favor by flattering influential people. on 9/9/03 10:01 AM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > Welcome to the internet. A forum where you can't see any of the other > contributers is ripe with this kind of behavior. > > However, while we all go Off Topic (often a lot), I think the reason > that you're getting an especially rude reaction is because this is the > first and only post any of us have ever seen from you. Perhaps if you > had introduced yourself, described how your loop setup works or what > you're doing with loops and your music and THEN asked if any of us knew > of a Warr for sale you would have received a much better and more > helpful response. I get pissed at people who yell at me for being off > topic every now and then (ok, maybe a lot) because I've been typing > volumes about looping and looping gear on this list since 1994. > > Think of it in terms of a party. Would you walk into a party where you > didn't know anyone and ask if anyone was selling a Warr guitar? Nope. > Even if you knew it was populated by a lot of musicians, you'd first > try to strike up general conversations with the people at the party > based on what they were already talking about and *then* maybe > interject that you were looking for a certain instrument. Walking into > a party and interrupting the conversation with your specific agenda > is.. well plain and simply rude. You can't change the world, but you > can change yourself. > > Frankly, if you became one of the people who only made random off topic > posts I'd probably eventually just set up an email filter to not have > to deal with you. Maybe rude, but time effective. No one here really > owes you anything, so maybe you'd be better off thinking about what you > can give before you ask for what you can get. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Tuesday, September 9, 2003, at 02:19 AM, Amy Mucero wrote: > >> I find that some people are very rude here > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 10 11:29:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8AFNku25946; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:23:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:23:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Are we done? Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:23:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C377AF.8556DB70" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C377AF.8556DB70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, it has been more painful to listen to everyone whine about one off topic post than to just deal with haphazard off-topics we get only = every couple of months. No need to nip anything in the bud, since there is = nothing to nip - or nothing that a friendly private email to the "supposed" = offender might have taken care of. If we begin to see a pattern or trend beginning that we need to quell, = then lets quell it. But I haven't seen one though (except for this thread - = which has sadly caused several cool loopers to unsubscribe from this list). -DM >>-----Original Message----- >>From: glenn [mailto:glenn234@pacbell.net]=20 >>Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 10:53 AM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Re: RUDE (was Re: looking for a Warr) >> >> >>I feel this is rationalization for a Lord of the Flies kind=20 >>of phenomenon, >> >>if a person walked into a party and made their first attempt=20 >>to socialize in that environment and the dominant males by=20 >>the watering holes surrounded that person and started clawing=20 >>at the individual, this would be sad. It would suggest a=20 >>(tightknit, not in the sense of freestanding natural=20 >>closeness alone, but rather accompanied by an high sense of=20 >>self worth psychological investment in who is in and who is=20 >>out - essentially fear based mentality) party, without=20 >>compassion or even the tact to welcome a newcomer(whether=20 >>their first word are awkward or not): it would cheapen the party.=20 >> >>how about it was meaningless and innocent. If they started=20 >>posting ads daily for all kinds of band instruments and links=20 >>to porn sites then by all means, I'll act like a baboon right=20 >>alongside. But what some here are up to feels a bit more like=20 >>a pre-emptive strike, rationalized by a kind of "well=20 >>probably have some WMD they're getting ready to use". has=20 >>Bush really been so influential to the human spirit? >> >>okay so someone starts out by saying anyone got a high end=20 >>bass x for sale? >> >>so what? >> >>hopefully we have got enough raw content to sustain us=20 >>without spiraling into this kind of trigger-happy caca, which=20 >>by the way is a LOT more painful to sift through than if=20 >>someone had posted half a dozen gear ads. >> >>For instance: I know it's been covered in a lot of ways, but=20 >>can anyone suggest a testing regimen for a just-purchased=20 >>simpletech 256 cfc on a repeater? (I'll post what i did and=20 >>how well it worked on this and hopefully not other models)=20 >>Someone said something about forwards and backwards recording=20 >>in stereo? Very open to CFC testing tips. have to test it=20 >>friday/sat of this week cause it's just before the return=20 >>period is over. >> >>Why not let this whole thing go, welcome this=20 >>member(welcome!) and move on already. >> >> >> >>thanks, >>glenn >> >>syc=B7o=B7phant =A0=A0 (=A0P=A0)=A0=A0Pronunciation Key=A0=A0(sick-of = ant) >>n.=20 >> >>A servile self-seeker who attempts to win favor by flattering=20 >>influential people. >> >> >>on 9/9/03 10:01 AM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: >> >>> Welcome to the internet. A forum where you can't see any=20 >>of the other=20 >>> contributers is ripe with this kind of behavior. >>>=20 >>> However, while we all go Off Topic (often a lot), I think=20 >>the reason=20 >>> that you're getting an especially rude reaction is because=20 >>this is the=20 >>> first and only post any of us have ever seen from you. =20 >>Perhaps if you=20 >>> had introduced yourself, described how your loop setup=20 >>works or what=20 >>> you're doing with loops and your music and THEN asked if any of us=20 >>> knew of a Warr for sale you would have received a much=20 >>better and more=20 >>> helpful response. I get pissed at people who yell at me=20 >>for being off=20 >>> topic every now and then (ok, maybe a lot) because I've been typing = >>> volumes about looping and looping gear on this list since 1994. >>>=20 >>> Think of it in terms of a party. Would you walk into a party where = >>> you didn't know anyone and ask if anyone was selling a Warr=20 >>guitar? =20 >>> Nope. Even if you knew it was populated by a lot of=20 >>musicians, you'd=20 >>> first try to strike up general conversations with the people at the = >>> party based on what they were already talking about and=20 >>*then* maybe=20 >>> interject that you were looking for a certain instrument. Walking=20 >>> into a party and interrupting the conversation with your specific=20 >>> agenda is.. well plain and simply rude. You can't change=20 >>the world,=20 >>> but you can change yourself. >>>=20 >>> Frankly, if you became one of the people who only made random off=20 >>> topic posts I'd probably eventually just set up an email=20 >>filter to not=20 >>> have to deal with you. Maybe rude, but time effective. No=20 >>one here=20 >>> really owes you anything, so maybe you'd be better off=20 >>thinking about=20 >>> what you can give before you ask for what you can get. >>>=20 >>> Mark Sottilaro >>>=20 >>> On Tuesday, September 9, 2003, at 02:19 AM, Amy Mucero wrote: >>>=20 >>>> I find that some people are very rude here >>>=20 >> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C377AF.8556DB70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Are we done?

Yes, it has been more painful to listen to everyone = whine about one off topic post than to just deal with haphazard = off-topics we get only every couple of months. No need to nip anything = in the bud, since there is nothing to nip - or nothing that a friendly = private email to the "supposed" offender might have taken = care of.

If we begin to see a pattern or trend beginning that = we need to quell, then lets quell it. But I haven't seen one though = (except for this thread - which has sadly caused several cool loopers = to unsubscribe from this list).

-DM

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: glenn [mailto:glenn234@pacbell.net] =
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 10:53 = AM
>>To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>Subject: Re: RUDE (was Re: looking for a = Warr)
>>
>>
>>I feel this is  rationalization for a = Lord of the Flies kind
>>of  phenomenon,
>>
>>if a person walked into a party and made = their first attempt
>>to socialize in that environment and the = dominant males by
>>the watering holes surrounded that person = and started clawing
>>at the individual, this would be sad. It = would suggest a
>>(tightknit, not in the sense of freestanding = natural
>>closeness alone, but rather accompanied by = an high sense of
>>self worth psychological investment in  = who is in and who is
>>out - essentially fear based mentality) = party, without
>>compassion or even the tact to welcome a = newcomer(whether
>>their first word are awkward or not):  = it would cheapen the party.
>>
>>how about it was meaningless and innocent. = If they started
>>posting ads daily for all kinds of band = instruments and links
>>to porn sites then by all means, I'll act = like a baboon right
>>alongside. But what some here are up to = feels a bit more like
>>a pre-emptive strike, rationalized by a kind = of "well
>>probably have some WMD they're getting ready = to use". has
>>Bush really been so influential to the human = spirit?
>>
>>okay so someone starts out by saying anyone = got a high end
>>bass x for sale?
>>
>>so what?
>>
>>hopefully we have got enough raw content to = sustain us
>>without spiraling into this kind of = trigger-happy caca, which
>>by the way is a LOT more painful to sift = through than if
>>someone had posted half a dozen gear ads.
>>
>>For instance: I know it's been covered in a = lot of ways, but
>>can anyone suggest a testing regimen for a = just-purchased
>>simpletech 256 cfc on a repeater? (I'll post = what i did and
>>how well it worked on this and hopefully not = other models)
>>Someone said something about forwards and = backwards recording
>>in stereo? Very open to CFC testing  = tips. have to test it
>>friday/sat of this week cause it's just = before the return
>>period is over.
>>
>>Why not let this whole thing go,  = welcome this
>>member(welcome!) and move on already.
>>
>>
>>
>>thanks,
>>glenn
>>
>>syc=B7o=B7phant =A0=A0 = (=A0P=A0)=A0=A0Pronunciation Key=A0=A0(sick-of ant)
>>n.
>>
>>A servile self-seeker who attempts to win = favor by flattering
>>influential people.
>>
>>
>>on 9/9/03 10:01 AM, Mark Sottilaro at = sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:
>>
>>> Welcome to the internet.  A forum = where you can't see any
>>of the other
>>> contributers is ripe with this kind of = behavior.
>>>
>>> However, while we all go Off Topic = (often a lot), I think
>>the reason
>>> that you're getting an especially rude = reaction is because
>>this is the
>>> first and only post any of us have ever = seen from you. 
>>Perhaps if you
>>> had introduced yourself, described how = your loop setup
>>works or what
>>> you're doing with loops and your music = and THEN asked if any of us
>>> knew of a Warr for sale you would have = received a much
>>better and more
>>> helpful response.  I get pissed at = people who yell at me
>>for being off
>>> topic every now and then (ok, maybe a = lot) because I've been typing
>>> volumes about looping and looping gear = on this list since 1994.
>>>
>>> Think of it in terms of a party.  = Would you walk into a party where
>>> you didn't know anyone and ask if = anyone was selling a Warr
>>guitar? 
>>> Nope. Even if you knew it was populated = by a lot of
>>musicians, you'd
>>> first try to strike up general = conversations with the people at the
>>> party based on what they were already = talking about and
>>*then* maybe
>>> interject that you were looking for a = certain instrument.  Walking
>>> into a party and interrupting the = conversation with your specific
>>> agenda is.. well plain and simply = rude.  You can't change
>>the world,
>>> but you can change yourself.
>>>
>>> Frankly, if you became one of the = people who only made random off
>>> topic posts I'd probably eventually = just set up an email
>>filter to not
>>> have to deal with you.  Maybe = rude, but time effective.  No
>>one here
>>> really owes you anything, so maybe = you'd be better off
>>thinking about
>>> what you can give before you ask for = what you can get.
>>>
>>> Mark Sottilaro
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 9, 2003, at 02:19 = AM, Amy Mucero wrote:
>>>
>>>> I find that some people are very = rude here
>>>
>>

------_=_NextPart_001_01C377AF.8556DB70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 10 11:48:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8AFiN629090; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:44:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:44:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.80.72 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: Adrenalinn II:Looper Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:43:24 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c377b2$454268d0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h8AFiNW29064 Resent-Message-ID: <5HnUKB.A.YGH.Xb0X_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi anyone who owns the Adrenalinn II (Upgrade or Full unit) figure out how to make the Looper portion work. They do demo it on the web site but, it's not in the docs that I could see?. I still love the upgrade as the device does some great things and I would have upgraded anyway but, I can't seem to figure out how they do the repeated phrase. If you set it up to remove delay as the bypass it just kills the delay (no spillover) so, that isn't it any ideas? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 10 12:30:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8AGQA003428; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:26:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:26:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: Adrenalinn II:Looper Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:25:08 -0700 Message-ID: <027f01c377b8$19d5ddc0$6501a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000b01c377b2$454268d0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As far as I can tell, its just setting the delay to 100% feedback. There is no "Looper portion" per se. -----Original Message----- From: Alan Kroeger [mailto:nospam@developsolutions.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 8:43 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Adrenalinn II:Looper Hi anyone who owns the Adrenalinn II (Upgrade or Full unit) figure out how to make the Looper portion work. They do demo it on the web site but, it's not in the docs that I could see?. I still love the upgrade as the device does some great things and I would have upgraded anyway but, I can't seem to figure out how they do the repeated phrase. If you set it up to remove delay as the bypass it just kills the delay (no spillover) so, that isn't it any ideas? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 10 13:52:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8AHnGM14595; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:49:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:49:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:49:08 -0700 Subject: Re: Kaoss Pad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: d3c065e0 aee23e9e 0813f124 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <1412B09C-E3B7-11D7-9342-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The KAOSS pad is totally a looper. If you haven't played around with it's loop sample functions you're missing half the fun. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, September 8, 2003, at 10:00 PM, Relay wrote: > Eee hee hee heee, > The Kaoss Pad is totally dope! I finally plugged the Ztar doubleneck > straight into it, and assigned the joystick to the axes (axi?) of the > pad > and played some one handed guitar for a while. Kinda like when my > right arm > was operated on, but wackier . . . > Not a looper but darned effective in getting you off the path you had > in > mind-- > > Gary > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 10 13:53:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8AHnJO14636; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:49:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:49:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <19e.19cfa9f0.2c90be17@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:49:11 EDT Subject: Re: Re: another MP3 from soon to be released album... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > LOL - there was a fantastic urban myth going round the UK in the 90s that > the sax solo on Baker Street was played by a kitch TV game show host called > Bob Holness - so maybe I ought to bill him as the (un)invited guest on this > track.. :o) "B flat please Bob." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 10 14:07:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8AI3S917775; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 14:03:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 14:03:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.80.72 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Adrenalinn II:Looper Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 14:02:29 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01c377c5$b325afc0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <027f01c377b8$19d5ddc0$6501a8c0@neil> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h8AI3SW17751 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah that does seem to be the case (as far as my interpretation of the implementation) I wonder how they pulled off that demo clip possibly I was just very clever playing but, it did seem to have a rhythm backing track. Oh well it would have been nice to have a little mini looper to carry around as a supplement to the rack mounted EDP. -----Original Message----- From: Neil Goldstein [mailto:ngold@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 12:25 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Adrenalinn II:Looper As far as I can tell, its just setting the delay to 100% feedback. There is no "Looper portion" per se. -----Original Message----- From: Alan Kroeger [mailto:nospam@developsolutions.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 8:43 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Adrenalinn II:Looper Hi anyone who owns the Adrenalinn II (Upgrade or Full unit) figure out how to make the Looper portion work. They do demo it on the web site but, it's not in the docs that I could see?. I still love the upgrade as the device does some great things and I would have upgraded anyway but, I can't seem to figure out how they do the repeated phrase. If you set it up to remove delay as the bypass it just kills the delay (no spillover) so, that isn't it any ideas? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 10 14:29:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8AILQc19922; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 14:21:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 14:21:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Kaoss Pad as a Looper Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:21:14 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <1412B09C-E3B7-11D7-9342-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, then . . It's not a Live Looper--you have to stop the unit to play back a sample. Next step--assign the axi to footpedals and use the PMC to change stuff that way. Look Ma, no hands! Gary -----Original Message----- From: msottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 10:49 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Kaoss Pad The KAOSS pad is totally a looper. If you haven't played around with it's loop sample functions you're missing half the fun. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, September 8, 2003, at 10:00 PM, Relay wrote: > Eee hee hee heee, > The Kaoss Pad is totally dope! I finally plugged the Ztar doubleneck > straight into it, and assigned the joystick to the axes (axi?) of the > pad > and played some one handed guitar for a while. Kinda like when my > right arm > was operated on, but wackier . . . > Not a looper but darned effective in getting you off the path you had > in > mind-- > > Gary > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 10 15:12:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8AJ7E325970; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:07:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:07:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030910190713.59352.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:07:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: RE: Adrenalinn II:Looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000f01c377c5$b325afc0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does it allow a "hold" function on the delay? (basically 100% feedback, except that new audio doesn't pass into the delay, just gets mixed with it) If it has "hold", and a reasonably long delay time, you can make simple loops with it. Greg --- Alan Kroeger wrote: > Yeah that does seem to be the case (as far as my interpretation of the > implementation) I wonder how they pulled off that demo clip possibly I was > just very clever playing but, it did seem to have a rhythm backing track. Oh > well it would have been nice to have a little mini looper to carry around as > a supplement to the rack mounted EDP. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Neil Goldstein [mailto:ngold@comcast.net] > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 12:25 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Adrenalinn II:Looper > > > As far as I can tell, its just setting the delay to 100% feedback. There is > no "Looper portion" per se. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Kroeger [mailto:nospam@developsolutions.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 8:43 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Adrenalinn II:Looper > > Hi anyone who owns the Adrenalinn II (Upgrade or Full unit) figure out how > to make the Looper portion work. They do demo it on the web site but, it's > not in the docs that I could see?. I still love the upgrade as the device > does some great things and I would have upgraded anyway but, I can't seem to > figure out how they do the repeated phrase. If you set it up to remove delay > as the bypass it just kills the delay (no spillover) so, that isn't it any > ideas? > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 10 15:18:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8AJEVe26827; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:14:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:14:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.80.72 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Adrenalinn II:Looper Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:13:31 -0400 Message-ID: <001201c377cf$9fcb6af0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20030910190713.59352.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I will have to look into that as a possibility later on when I am in proximity of the unit. -----Original Message----- From: Greg House [mailto:ghunicycle@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 3:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Adrenalinn II:Looper Does it allow a "hold" function on the delay? (basically 100% feedback, except that new audio doesn't pass into the delay, just gets mixed with it) If it has "hold", and a reasonably long delay time, you can make simple loops with it. Greg --- Alan Kroeger wrote: > Yeah that does seem to be the case (as far as my interpretation of the > implementation) I wonder how they pulled off that demo clip possibly I > was just very clever playing but, it did seem to have a rhythm backing > track. Oh well it would have been nice to have a little mini looper to > carry around as a supplement to the rack mounted EDP. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Neil Goldstein [mailto:ngold@comcast.net] > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 12:25 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Adrenalinn II:Looper > > > As far as I can tell, its just setting the delay to 100% feedback. > There is no "Looper portion" per se. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Kroeger [mailto:nospam@developsolutions.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 8:43 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Adrenalinn II:Looper > > Hi anyone who owns the Adrenalinn II (Upgrade or Full unit) figure out > how to make the Looper portion work. They do demo it on the web site > but, it's not in the docs that I could see?. I still love the upgrade > as the device does some great things and I would have upgraded anyway > but, I can't seem to figure out how they do the repeated phrase. If > you set it up to remove delay as the bypass it just kills the delay > (no spillover) so, that isn't it any ideas? > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 10 15:44:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8AJdib30128; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:39:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:39:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d101c377d3$4ddc64c0$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: Kaoss Pad as a Looper Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:39:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > OK, then . . > It's not a Live Looper--you have to stop the unit to play back a sample. > Next step--assign the axi to footpedals and use the PMC to change stuff that > way. Look Ma, no hands! > Gary What does that mean? I use the Kaoss looping functions in live settings, without prerecording stuff - I loop it, and trigger it - does looping have to happen immediately? does it have to go round and round, or is it still 'looping' if I sample it and trigger it at some point in the gig? More to the point, does it really matter? :o) Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 10 16:05:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8AK3DV02307; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:03:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:03:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: I wish... Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:02:15 -0700 Message-ID: <02a401c377d6$6ebfb4f0$6501a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02A5_01C3779B.C260DCF0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02A5_01C3779B.C260DCF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For a week to do nothing but brainstorm, program and test creative synergistic patches and banks in my PMC-10 to control my loopers, effects boxes, synths, and Ableton Live. So much potential, so little time (or discipline) Neil ------=_NextPart_000_02A5_01C3779B.C260DCF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

For a week to do nothing but brainstorm, program and = test creative synergistic patches and banks in my PMC-10 to control my loopers, = effects boxes, synths, and Ableton Live.  So much potential, so little = time (or discipline)

 

Neil

 

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_02A5_01C3779B.C260DCF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 10 16:08:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8AK41r02420; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:04:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:04:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011701c377d6$ab9262b0$70b079a5@sipapu> Reply-To: "James Lanpheer" From: "James Lanpheer" To: Subject: OT: Black hole music Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 14:03:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0114_01C377A4.5FDBD450" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: b1baf93441b2c77671639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da9406004d1215e8bf14f99c32e18b3f82b9a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0114_01C377A4.5FDBD450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thought this might interest the group: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=3Dstory&u=3D/space/20030910/sc_spac= e/blackholestrikesdeepestmusicalnoteeverheard Can you loop something that you can't hear? : ) cheers, jim. ------=_NextPart_000_0114_01C377A4.5FDBD450 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thought this might interest the = group:
 
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Can you loop something that you can't=20 hear?
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cheers,
jim.
------=_NextPart_000_0114_01C377A4.5FDBD450-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 10 17:16:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8ALBFi16787; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:11:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:11:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 14:09:49 -0700 Subject: this is funny(well, maybe not) From: To: looper people Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i was just over @ musicplayer.com and was answering somebodys request about the loop community,sending them to loopers delight.com and i had my answer checked by 'spellcheck' and it corrected 'looper' to 'looter'... s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 10 21:37:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8B1Uwl31991; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:30:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:30:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <14b.23cfe8fd.2c912a42@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:30:42 EDT Subject: Re: I wish... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_14b.23cfe8fd.2c912a42_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_14b.23cfe8fd.2c912a42_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/10/03 1:03:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ngold@comcast.net writes: > For a week to do nothing but brainstorm, program and test creative > synergistic patches and banks in my PMC-10 to control my loopers, effects boxes, > synths, and Ableton Live. So much potential, so little time (or discipline) > > > > Neil > > I wish for a solid year of complete solitude in my little studio.... Tim --part1_14b.23cfe8fd.2c912a42_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 9/10/03 1:03:34 PM Pacific Daylight= Time, ngold@comcast.net writes:

For a week to do nothing but br= ainstorm, program and test creative synergistic patches and banks in my PMC-= 10 to control my loopers, effects boxes, synths, and Ableton Live.  So=20= much potential, so little time (or discipline)

 

Neil



I wish for a solid year of complete solitude in my little studio....

Tim --part1_14b.23cfe8fd.2c912a42_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 10 21:48:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8B1fYQ01722; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:41:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:41:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.192.219.2] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <200309011844.h81Iieg23293@hemlock.violacea.com> <00c201c370d2$22bd9a00$f264f93f@global> Subject: Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL (posting from Rick Walker) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 18:52:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Sep 2003 01:41:27.0917 (UTC) FILETIME=[D15C69D0:01C37805] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick Walker asked me to foward this email to the Looper's Delight List since his email is acting up on him. Personally I'm extremely excited about the event this year, and you should be too! Jon ************************* Hi Live Loopers, Rick Walker here: There are a very limited amount of performance spaces left for this year's Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL to be held on October 10th, 11th and 12th at the Cayuga Vault in Santa Cruz, California.....................www.cayugavault.com. There are between 30 and 40 loopers who will be performing. All performances will be donated by the artists. All proceeds, if any, will go into a fund to pay for venue rental and publicity costs in the next year so that we can bring out of country loopers or loopers from far away to Northern California and at least present them with one gig where they can make all of the money.............lol. Set lengths are 30 minutes for each artist on two stages that alternate continually with NO SET CHANGES. Consequently there is a strict 20 minute set up time and 10 minute breakdown time. Longer setup times will, regretfully be taken of the performers performance. Longer breakdown times will be taken of the set time of the next looping artist. We have to do this in order to accomodate this huge roster of artists so please think cooperatively............thanks. **************************************** Interested loopers should send me a CD, MP3 (NOT via e-mail) or cassette recording of your work to this address AS SOON AS POSSIBLE...........I probably won't be able to consider anything that comes in later than Tuesday of next week due to the volume of work that is necessary to make this thing a success : Y2K3 LoopFest 412 Darwin Street Santa Cruz, California 95062-2629 Include your e-mail address............this is very important. Please do not E-mail me, (unless I already know you). Please respect this wish as I am inundated with all of the donated time it is taking me to produce this gargantuan affair. We have a great roster of artists already signed up, including Featured artists: Garether Whittock (Swansea, Wales) Michael Klobuchar (Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania) Jimmy George (Boulder, Colorado) Ted Killian (Ashland, Oregon) and Californians: AmyX Neuburg (San Francisco, California) Bill Walker (Santa Cruz, California) Brian Kenney Fresno (you figure this one out.......lol) Max Valentino (Tehachipi, California) The schedule is as follows: Friday Night: "night of the living guitars" (with featured artist, Bill Walker) Saturday Day "the 1st Percussion Live Looping Festival (with featured artist Amy X Neuburg) Saturday night ( with featured artist, all the way from Wales, Gareth Whittock) Sunday day (with featured artist: Max Valentino) and Sunday night (with featured artist Brian Kenney Fresno) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 10 22:49:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8B2keF17052; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:46:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:46:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:54:34 -0700 To: repeater-users@yahoogroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Power Supplies for Repeaters Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Repeater users, Pete Toms at Condor Electronics is near completion of a custom built power supply for the Repeater. He asked me how many I thought he should build. They are'nt cheap at about $90 a pop, however these are being hand built, not mass produced, so the labor cost is significant. Any one who is serious about getting a back up power supply (or 2 or 3) should reply to me off list. I'll get an idea of how many of you are interested and get back to Pete. Please do not e-mail me about possible group discounts for LD or Repeater web site members: it aint gonna happen. These are hand built, one at a time. However If enough people were interested it may cut down on his parts costs. Again, please respond off list to me. Thanks Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 11 04:31:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8B8Qjc00807; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 04:26:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 04:26:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030911010408.0260ffb8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 01:24:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Kaoss Pad as a Looper In-Reply-To: <00d101c377d3$4ddc64c0$e0154ed5@bigboy> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:39 PM 9/10/2003, Steve Lawson wrote: > > OK, then . . > > It's not a Live Looper--you have to stop the unit to play back a sample. > > Next step--assign the axi to footpedals and use the PMC to change stuff >that > > way. Look Ma, no hands! > > Gary > >What does that mean? I use the Kaoss looping functions in live settings, >without prerecording stuff - I loop it, and trigger it - does looping have >to happen immediately? I would say yes. A looper is a different thing from a sampler. My basic definition of a looper is something that seamlessly plays back the loop after it has been recorded, and allows additional material to be recorded to the loop while it continues to play. It should at least do that to be a looper, and that's the definition I put on Looper's Delight about 7 years ago. A sampler generally has more separated recording functions, and requires the samples to be triggered. They don't seamlessly go into a loop and they don't let you record new stuff onto the loop while it plays. Once a sample is in the sampler, it can be looped with a simple sequence the triggers it at regular intervals, but that is not the same as being a "looper". It sounds to me like the function you are playing with here is a phrase sampler. >does it have to go round and round, or is it still >'looping' if I sample it and trigger it at some point in the gig? > >More to the point, does it really matter? :o) Samplers and loopers can both be used live and in musically useful ways, so in that respect no, it doesn't matter. Use whatever works for you. But I think it does matter that words have a meaningful definition, otherwise communicating gets really hard. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 11 05:22:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8B9K5Z09176; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 05:20:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 05:20:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Kaoss Pad is a Looper; also, what does a Looping device need to be? Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 02:19:58 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030911010408.0260ffb8@loopers-delight.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The way Steve plays, several non-synched delays sound . . . interesting, and always melodic. At 12:39 PM 9/10/2003, Steve Lawson wrote: > > OK, then . . > > It's not a Live Looper--you have to stop the unit to play back a sample. > > Next step--assign the axi to footpedals and use the PMC to change stuff >that > > way. Look Ma, no hands! > > Gary > >What does that mean? I use the Kaoss looping functions in live settings, >without prerecording stuff - I loop it, and trigger it - does looping have >to happen immediately? Kim weighed in: "I would say yes. A looper is a different thing from a sampler. My basic definition of a looper is something that seamlessly plays back the loop after it has been recorded, and allows additional material to be recorded to the loop while it continues to play. It should at least do that to be a looper, and that's the definition I put on Looper's Delight about 7 years ago. A sampler generally has more separated recording functions, and requires the samples to be triggered. They don't seamlessly go into a loop and they don't let you record new stuff onto the loop while it plays. Once a sample is in the sampler, it can be looped with a simple sequence the triggers it at regular intervals, but that is not the same as being a "looper". It sounds to me like the function you are playing with here is a phrase sampler." >does it have to go round and round, or is it still >'looping' if I sample it and trigger it at some point in the gig? > >More to the point, does it really matter? :o) Samplers and loopers can both be used live and in musically useful ways, so in that respect no, it doesn't matter. Use whatever works for you. But I think it does matter that words have a meaningful definition, otherwise communicating gets really hard. kim So here's the deal: There are certain expectations we all have concerning the basic functions that a looping device must have. The earliest loopers used natural surroundings to create repetition using echoes, and also thru teamwork with ensembles. The modern looping device required the features Kim lists above, but he omits what is a much desired/required. We need feedback control, but you could throw undo in there for good measure. I think these are all basic looper requirements. What other features can some of the rest of you not do without? I'm sure Andre has some favorites. Is MIDI sync really a requirement for a looper? On another note, I have found that the new Digitech XDD DigiDelay I got for $99 bucks recently, while not capable of feedback control, does allow one to control the volume by using the side of your foot on the knob for fade ins and outs. The knob is conveniently located for that use. And it runs on 9 volts! Definitely a looper! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 11 08:34:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8BCWZ906121; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:32:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:32:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F606B4E.6FFA9B46@pa.msu.edu> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:32:14 -0400 From: John McIntyre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Black hole music References: <011701c377d6$ab9262b0$70b079a5@sipapu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com James Lanpheer wrote: > Can you loop something that you can't hear?: ) > > Yes, indeed. Most of my loops are such. I feed a signal into my > Electro-Harmonix Sixteen Second Digital Delay, hit the hold button, > fade the audio out of the mix, then drop the signal an octave, reverse > the loop, usually slow the loop further with the faders, often throw > in some modulation, and have no idea what kind of sludge will emerge > when I fade the audio back in. (-8 > > Do wish I could go fifty-seven octaves below middle C, though. (-8 > > John McIntyre > mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 11 09:19:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8BDF6w12940; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 09:15:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 09:15:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030911131459.67517.qmail@web40308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 06:14:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: Power Supplies for Repeaters To: chillyb@cruzio.com, loopy In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well, having 2 repeaters...i am a bit affraid of a power supply fritzing out on me or vanishing, but $90 is a lot to spend for a precautionary measure. will he be able to build these on a need basis? even for more money? i'm sure that several people on list would shell out over $100 if it came to the point where they NEEDED a power supply, but $90 as a just in case is quite a bit. --- "William R. Walker," wrote: > Dear Repeater users, Pete Toms at Condor Electronics > is near completion of > a custom built power supply for the Repeater. He > asked me how many I > thought he should build. They are'nt cheap at about > $90 a pop, however > these are being hand built, not mass produced, so > the labor cost is > significant. Any one who is serious about getting a > back up power supply > (or 2 or 3) should reply to me off list. I'll get an > idea of how many of > you are interested and get back to Pete. Please do > not e-mail me about > possible group discounts for LD or Repeater web site > members: it aint gonna > happen. These are hand built, one at a time. However > If enough people were > interested it may cut down on his parts costs. > Again, please respond off > list to me. > Thanks > Bill > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 11 13:09:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8BH8D219736; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 13:08:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 13:08:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F60ABF1.6080500@cabq.gov> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:08:01 -0600 From: Jason Fink User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4a) Gecko/20030401 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Subject: Last Inventory: Loop Shirts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greeting Loopers, I wanted to let folks know that I have a few looper shirts left over from the last printing, and now that my other orders are settled these are available for immediate shipping. I do not plan on doing more shirts for quite awhile... What I got: 2 Large 2 X-Large 1 Large in Gray (rather than black). Apologies to those outside of the USA, but I cannot properly use USPS to track the international packages. If shirts get lost in international mail, which they have in the past, I can not do another printing to make up for it. I hate to make this restriction, but I must, Domestic Shipping only. The cost for these last few shirts is $22 via Paypal or check. This price will include Priority Mail and Delivery Confirmation. Contact me offlist if you want one: dimmo@dimbulb.org thanks, -jas albuquerque From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 11 15:11:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8BJ9RV16039; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:09:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:09:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:09:25 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: EDP MIDI Problems?/Repeater As A Live Looper From: soam To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <758A6EC2-E48B-11D7-9F5F-0003931CF5E4@acedsl.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, What's the general consensus on the EDP synced to MIDI? I saw some posts about people having troubles with this. Does MIDI not work at all? I was thinking about getting an EDP and syncing it with a Korg drum machine. I'm also thinking about the Electrix Repeater, but how good is it as a Live Looper? Could I hook up a Behringer MIDI Foot Controller for example and control Pitch, Speed, and Jump between tracks live? I'm also wondering if I can layer parts over one loop right away with the Repeater like I can with my Line6 Pedal. Thank You, Soam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 11 15:48:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8BJgNp20350; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:42:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:42:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1da.10ad1171.2c922a11@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:42:09 EDT Subject: steinberger string supply and stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1da.10ad1171.2c922a11_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10689 Resent-Message-ID: <668YnC.A.19E.fANY_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1da.10ad1171.2c922a11_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i seem to remember people saying these strings were hard to find.....Click here: XL2XL.....now when you loop (content) you can brake them to your hearts desire.....michael --part1_1da.10ad1171.2c922a11_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i seem to remember people= saying these strings were hard to find.....Click here: XL2XL.....now when you loop (content) you can brake= them to your hearts desire.....michael --part1_1da.10ad1171.2c922a11_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 11 17:00:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8BKuHH15109; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 16:56:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 16:56:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016501c378a7$15d29660$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: .little a. -- Free MP3's & New CD & Boston Phoenix Article Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 16:55:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0161_01C37885.8CEAFDE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop016.verizon.net from [68.163.128.229] at Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:56:03 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <4NIbI.A.7rD.wFOY_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0161_01C37885.8CEAFDE0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0162_01C37885.8CEAFDE0" ------=_NextPart_001_0162_01C37885.8CEAFDE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello - Just a little note to say that the little rock-band-that-could -- = .little a. -- is featured in a little article in this week's Boston = Phoenix. Ted Drodowski has written a nice little piece about the band and our = newly released CD - StarsFade. How ironic that the .little a. webpage -- www.littleamusic.com -- is = currently DOWN because of some unknown technical difficulties.=20 .little a. Phoenix article: http://www.bostonphoenix.com/boston/music/cellars/documents/03146768.asp Download Free MP3's:=20 http://www.bostonphoenix.com/Bost_mp3/artist.asp?id=3D273 Buy CD: $5 StarsFade=20 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/littlea Other News 1:=20 Bruce has a show next week! The Kendall Caf=E9=20 Thursday, Sept 18th 9:00 pm 233 Cardinal Medeiros Way, Kendall Square, Cambridge, MA http://www.brucegrover.com/ Other News 2: David's other two projects -- Super-Cannes & UNDO -- as well as .little = a. this month all receive positive reviews in local 'zine The Noise. =20 http://www.thenoise-boston.com/cd_reviews/234.asp Does three reviews = in one issue of The Noise constitute a record of some kind? To learn more about Super-Cannes & UNDO, please reply to this e-mail. You can request .little a., Bruce Grover, Super-Cannes and UNDO from all = your favorite radio stations! =20 Thanks for supporting local music, and the people who make it! David Kirkdorffer ------=_NextPart_001_0162_01C37885.8CEAFDE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello -
 
Just a little note to say that the = little=20 rock-band-that-could -- .little a. -- is featured in a little article in = this=20 week's Boston Phoenix.
Ted Drodowski has written a nice little = piece about=20 the band and our newly released CD - StarsFade.
 
How ironic that the .little a. webpage = -- www.littleamusic.com -- is = currently DOWN=20 because of some unknown technical difficulties.
 
.little a. = Phoenix=20 article:
http://www.bostonphoenix.com/boston/music/cellars/documents/0314= 6768.asp
 
Download = Free=20 MP3's:
http:/= /www.bostonphoenix.com/Bost_mp3/artist.asp?id=3D273
 
Buy = CD: $5=20 StarsFade =
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/little= a
 
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Other News 1: =
 
Bruce = has a show=20 next week!
    =    =20 The Kendall Caf=E9
        = Thursday,=20 Sept 18th  9:00 pm
        = 233=20 Cardinal Medeiros Way,
        Kendall = Square,=20 Cambridge, MA
        http://www.brucegrover.com/
 
Other News = 2:
 
David's other=20 two projects -- Super-Cannes & UNDO -- as well as .little = a. this=20 month all receive positive reviews in local 'zine The=20 Noise.   
http:/= /www.thenoise-boston.com/cd_reviews/234.asp  =20 Does three reviews in one issue of The Noise constitute a record of some = kind?
 
To learn more about Super-Cannes & = UNDO, please=20 reply to this e-mail.
 
You can request = .little a.,=20 Bruce Grover, Super-Cannes and UNDO from all your favorite radio = stations! =20
Thanks for supporting local music, and = the people=20 who make it!
 
David = Kirkdorffer
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Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, September 11, 2003, at 12:09 PM, soam wrote: > > I'm also thinking about the Electrix Repeater, but how good is it as a > Live Looper? People have complained about it, but I find the Repeater to be an excellent live looper due to it's excellent handling of incoming MIDI clock. It has a few odd bugs (that will never be fixed) but mostly I've found work-a-rounds for all of them or they don't effect the way I use it. If you're trying to delete a track and you accedently hit stop WATCH OUT! The Repeater will freak out and think the tempo is twice what the MIDI clock actually is. > Could I hook up a Behringer MIDI Foot Controller for example and > control Pitch, Speed, and Jump between tracks live? Yes indeed. > > I'm also wondering if I can layer parts over one loop right away with > the Repeater like I can with my Line6 Pedal? Once you've defined your loop length, you have to go back into record to start adding. The EDP let's you define loop length by hitting overdub so you're seamlessly blending new with old. Nice trick. The way I get around this is by first recording a blank loop on the Repeater (which you can do before a show due to the non volitile loop memory) and then having it start when I hit play on my drum machine. Viola, seamless loop. However, there is a slight bump in volume at the loop point, but I can only hear this if I'm playing a featureless drone, and even then it's pretty mild. I've got some live looping Repeater samples at http://www.zerocrossing.net/mp3s/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 11 17:25:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8BLIfQ23977; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 17:18:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 17:18:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <30457656.1063315117340.JavaMail.root@louie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 13:18:37 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:EDP MIDI Problems?/Repeater As A Live Looper Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The general consensus is that the EDP syncs to MIDI reliably if you configure both devices appropriately. TravisH >What's the general consensus on the EDP synced to MIDI? I saw some >posts about people having troubles with this. >Does MIDI not work at all? >I was thinking about getting an EDP and syncing it with a Korg drum >machine. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 11 18:32:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8BMRRl10190; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 18:27:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 18:27:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <8D81DA9D264CD311A60C0008C75D553B114F65A9@CWUS-DTW-PRI02> From: "Jonah, Jim" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Ableton Live and Behringer FCB1010 set up issues. Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 18:27:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I've been lurking on this list for a while now and have enjoyed the topics discussed and enjoyed listening to some excellent music that many of you have been creating. Thanks! I hope this isn't too off topic, but... I'm trying to use Ableton Live and the FCB1010 midi foot controller to do basic looping/recording on the fly. I'm running into a few issues with setting up the midi mapping between Live and the FCB1010 (I've searched the archive, google, ableton forums, I've read the entire Live manual, etc. so I don't think this is a redundant question.). Let's say I have a percussion loop in track 1 - scene 1. I'd like to use track 2 - scene 1 to record a simple bass loop and use the fcb1010 to start/stop the record. Here's where I'm running into a problem. I've tried programming the fcb1010 to have cnt1 (footswitch 6) send out a controller message (preset 1). Then I've set up the midi mapping by hovering the mouse over the record button for the slot in track 2 scene 1, select Midi Mapping, then step on the fcb1010 preset 1. Live assigns the mapping (1/35 if I remember right). When I exit the Midi mapping mode Live starts playing. When I step on the fcb1010 preset 1 Live doesn't start recording, instead it looks like it loads an empty clip in play mode (vs. record mode). BTW, I was able to successfully set up a midi map using a midi keyboard (press low c once to start recording, press it a second time to go into playback/loop mode). So I think I'm not programming the fcb correctly. Could someone who's a Live/fcb looper please help stear me in the right direction? Also, as I think about how the fcb works and how Live midi mapping works it seems as if I'd really only be able to have each preset send out one midi message. Is that correct? Let's say I wanted a preset that disarms the current slot that's recording and jumps to the next track and arms the slot for recording all at the same time. Is that possible? i.e. if a preset sends out multiple midi messages how could I map each message individually to an item in Live? Thanks for your help! Jim The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 11 20:51:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8BNbOD03068; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 19:37:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 19:37:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Todd Lainhart" To: Subject: Recommended EDP service centers? Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 19:37:10 -0400 Message-ID: <002801c378bd$a1c266d0$b600a8c0@Todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01C3789C.1AB0C6D0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <6xnAQ.A.2v.rcQY_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C3789C.1AB0C6D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Loopers - I'm a newbie in possession of a used EDP that's in need of some repair (LED output is sporatic at times - bad connection somewhere). I called Gibson, and they recommended an authorized repair center out of Beverly, MA (I'm in Central MA, USA). Any strong recommendations as to where I should send this thing? It's a bit dated, so I suspect I'll want to upgrade the software (I'm aware of LoopIV), and maybe some memory. Thanks for any tips - nice community you have here. -- Todd ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C3789C.1AB0C6D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Recommended EDP service centers?

Hello Loopers -

I'm a newbie in possession of a used = EDP that's in need of some repair (LED output is sporatic at times - bad = connection somewhere).  I called Gibson, and they recommended an = authorized repair center out of Beverly, MA (I'm in Central MA, = USA). 

Any strong recommendations as to where = I should send this thing?  It's a bit dated, so I suspect I'll want = to upgrade the software (I'm aware of LoopIV), and maybe some = memory.

Thanks for any tips - nice community = you have here.

  -- Todd

------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C3789C.1AB0C6D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 11 22:41:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8C2bdn10420; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 22:37:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 22:37:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 22:37:37 -0400 Subject: Re:EDP/Repeater Tempo Define (was EDP MIDI Problems?/Repeater As A Live Looper) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: soam To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3CE630DB-E49A-11D7-97BD-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: <123FAE35-E4CA-11D7-9F5F-0003931CF5E4@acedsl.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >> Could I hook up a Behringer MIDI Foot Controller for example and >> control Pitch, Speed, and Jump between tracks live? > > Yes indeed. > Can you change the pitch and speed of all tracks at once, or do you have to do them independently? >> >> I'm also wondering if I can layer parts over one loop right away with >> the Repeater like I can with my Line6 Pedal? > > Once you've defined your loop length, you have to go back into record > to start adding. Hmm..can you define the tempo on the fly? I wasn't planning on playing to a metronome. For example: 1) hit record on EDP or Repeater on first downbeat. 2) hit record on downbeat of beat 5 3) BPM automatically displayed and Korg drum machine in sync as slave This is how I would want it to work. BTW I'm planning on using either the EDP or Repeater with a guitar -> bunch of effects -> EDP or Repeater -> Guitar Amp I'm considering Live which I already own. I would just have to get a foot pedal. The thing I don't like about live is that I can't define the tempo as I explained earlier. Any input is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Soam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 11 23:06:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8C32L415158; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 23:02:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 23:02:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 20:02:19 -0700 Subject: Re: EDP/Repeater Tempo Define (was EDP MIDI Problems?/Repeater As A Live Looper) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <123FAE35-E4CA-11D7-9F5F-0003931CF5E4@acedsl.com> Message-Id: <8586CB91-E4CD-11D7-A8CD-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, September 11, 2003, at 07:37 PM, soam wrote: > Can you change the pitch and speed of all tracks at once, or do you > have to do them independently? All at once if you like. > Hmm..can you define the tempo on the fly? I wasn't planning on playing > to a metronome. > For example: > > 1) hit record on EDP or Repeater on first downbeat. > 2) hit record on downbeat of beat 5 > 3) BPM automatically displayed and Korg drum machine in sync as slave The Repeater has iffy MIDI clock out. That's one of the big issues. Some devices seem to be OK with it, others not. Frankly, I've never tried to get any other drum machine to sync to the Repeater other than my Roland MC-307. It did work OK, but it was only a test. I usually slave the Repeater to the sequencer. You might want to ask people on the Repeater list what they think. I did try to get the delays from the Electrix MoFX and AdrenaLinn to sync to the Repeater's clock and it didn't work properly. > BTW I'm planning on using either the EDP or Repeater with a guitar -> > bunch of effects -> EDP or Repeater -> Guitar Amp Go for the EDP. The Repeater is best in a line level audio path and doesn't work well otherwise. It's a better slave than the EDP, but a worse master. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 12 00:21:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8C4Grj28626; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 00:16:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 00:16:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Mike Barrs" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Rackmount 1-space stereo line mixers? Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 21:16:36 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Loop-Detect: 1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Right now I'm using my Repeater as an inline, downstream effect after my Roland VG-88 guitar processor. For various reasons (including the latency issue which has been mentioned here), I'd like to try moving the Repeater off into a side-chain (parallel) FX signal, instead of running it inline. The easy and cheap solution would be a compact horizontal-format mixer with two AUX sends per channel (Behringer, Mackie, etc.) But I'm trying to keep my rig as compact as possible, and I would prefer doing this with a 1-space rackmount stereo line mixer. One complication here is that I would like a headphone output in the mixer, since I've been using the Repeater's headphone jack to monitor practice sessions. If I move it off to a parallel FX loop and run it in dry mute mode, I won't hear the VG-88 live sound in the headphones. I haven't found many candidates so far. Most of the 1u rackmount line mixers don't even have FX sends, and the few that do are usually mono sends and returns. And very few rackmount line mixers include a headphone jack. Here are the options I've found so far in stereo 1u rack line mixers that might work: Rane SM82 -- full stereo FX loop, but no headphone jack (I'd have to add a headphone amp). Ashly LX308B -- no FX loop, but it has a headphone jack. Whirlwind Mix 6 -- no FX loop, but it has a headphone jack. I could use a pair of line splitters ahead of the Ashley or Whirlwind mixers to get around the FX loop problem... split the VG-88 stereo signal, send one stereo pair to the mixer, the other stereo pair to the Repeater, and bring the Repeater's output back into the mixer. Is there anything else that might work? All these 1u rackmount stereo mixers are pretty expensive ($400-$600) compared to the compact Behringer/Mackie horizontal format mixers that would do the same job. I thought I'd ask here first if there were other options I haven't found. Thanks! ______________________ Mike Barrs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 12 01:47:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8C5jEZ07081; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 01:45:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 01:45:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030911224258.049146a0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 22:47:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re:EDP/Repeater Tempo Define (was EDP MIDI Problems?/Repeater As A Live Looper) In-Reply-To: <123FAE35-E4CA-11D7-9F5F-0003931CF5E4@acedsl.com> References: <3CE630DB-E49A-11D7-97BD-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:37 PM 9/11/2003, soam wrote: >Hmm..can you define the tempo on the fly? I wasn't planning on playing to >a metronome. >For example: > >1) hit record on EDP or Repeater on first downbeat. >2) hit record on downbeat of beat 5 >3) BPM automatically displayed and Korg drum machine in sync as slave > >This is how I would want it to work. the echoplex does do that, quite easily. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 12 03:07:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8C73h020272; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 03:03:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 03:03:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c378fb$fd1a75c0$02d7fea9@alt3red> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: Subject: Re: Rackmount 1-space stereo line mixers? Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:03:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Mike. I don't know the specifics, but there is a new 1-space stereo line mixer on the Behringer catalogue, and it should cost about 150$... I've seen only a pair of photos of it, but you might try to give a look on the www.behringer.com homepage, there should be a direct link there... It is the eurorack pro rx1602 ... I don't know if it has fx loops, though... Luigi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Barrs" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 6:16 AM Subject: Rackmount 1-space stereo line mixers? > Right now I'm using my Repeater as an inline, downstream effect after my > Roland VG-88 guitar processor. For various reasons (including the latency > issue which has been mentioned here), I'd like to try moving the Repeater > off into a side-chain (parallel) FX signal, instead of running it inline. > > The easy and cheap solution would be a compact horizontal-format mixer with > two AUX sends per channel (Behringer, Mackie, etc.) But I'm trying to keep > my rig as compact as possible, and I would prefer doing this with a 1-space > rackmount stereo line mixer. > > One complication here is that I would like a headphone output in the mixer, > since I've been using the Repeater's headphone jack to monitor practice > sessions. If I move it off to a parallel FX loop and run it in dry mute > mode, I won't hear the VG-88 live sound in the headphones. > > I haven't found many candidates so far. Most of the 1u rackmount line mixers > don't even have FX sends, and the few that do are usually mono sends and > returns. And very few rackmount line mixers include a headphone jack. Here > are the options I've found so far in stereo 1u rack line mixers that might > work: > > Rane SM82 -- full stereo FX loop, but no headphone jack (I'd have to add a > headphone amp). > > Ashly LX308B -- no FX loop, but it has a headphone jack. > > Whirlwind Mix 6 -- no FX loop, but it has a headphone jack. > > I could use a pair of line splitters ahead of the Ashley or Whirlwind mixers > to get around the FX loop problem... split the VG-88 stereo signal, send one > stereo pair to the mixer, the other stereo pair to the Repeater, and bring > the Repeater's output back into the mixer. > > Is there anything else that might work? All these 1u rackmount stereo mixers > are pretty expensive ($400-$600) compared to the compact Behringer/Mackie > horizontal format mixers that would do the same job. I thought I'd ask here > first if there were other options I haven't found. > > Thanks! > > ______________________ > Mike Barrs > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 12 03:30:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8C7Rpa22767; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 03:27:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 03:27:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Mike Barrs" To: Subject: RE: Rackmount 1-space stereo line mixers? Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 00:27:35 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000701c378fb$fd1a75c0$02d7fea9@alt3red> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Loop-Detect: 1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Luigi Meloni [mailto:luigimeloni74@LIBERO.it] > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 12:04 AM > > Hi Mike. I don't know the specifics, but there is a new 1-space > stereo line > mixer on the Behringer catalogue, and it should cost about > 150$... I've seen > only a pair of photos of it, but you might try to give a look on the > www.behringer.com homepage, there should be a direct link > there... It is the > eurorack pro rx1602 ... I don't know if it has fx loops, though... Thanks, but it looks like this doesn't have FX send/return, or a headphone jack. It's frustrating... for under $100 you can get a horizontal-format mixer with 2 AUX sends, 2 AUX returns, and a headphone jack. But you have to spend $500 or more to get something like this in a rackmount line mixer. :-( Mike Barrs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 12 04:10:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8C84b128786; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 04:04:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 04:04:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Ableton Live and Behringer FCB1010 set up issues. Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 10:03:54 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <003101c37904$6a13f9f0$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <8D81DA9D264CD311A60C0008C75D553B114F65A9@CWUS-DTW-PRI02> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <6uFe7.A.sBH.V4XY_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonah, Jim [mailto:Jim.Jonah@compuware.com] Hi Jim, > I hope this isn't too off topic, but... I'm trying to use > Ableton Live and the FCB1010 midi foot controller to do basic > looping/recording on the fly. That's a set-up I'm using too :-) (among other set-ups) > I'm running into a few issues with setting up the midi > mapping between Live and the FCB1010 > > > Let's say I have a percussion loop in track 1 - scene 1. > > I'd like to use track 2 - scene 1 to record a simple bass > loop and use the fcb1010 to start/stop the record. Here's > where I'm running into a problem. I've tried programming the > fcb1010 to have cnt1 (footswitch 6) send out a controller > message (preset 1). Then I've set up the midi mapping by > hovering the mouse over the record button for the slot in > track 2 scene 1, select Midi Mapping, then step on the > fcb1010 preset 1. I'm doing it another way by starting out with putting all tracks into "record enabled mode". Then I assign the FCB midi messages to the clip slot. What happens then is that the FCB pedal will start recording into a slot, if that slot is empty. If the slot is not empty (i.e. I have already recorded a loop into it) the same FCB button will start or stop the clip/loop. To the same FCB button (pre-set) I have also enabled (in the FCB programming mode) one of the expression pedals to send a certain continuous controller (1-90 instead of 1-128 to stay away from overloading the Ableton mixer output) that is set to control the Ableton track volume fader. By this I can step one button on the FCB and go directly into recording and adjusting that track's level with the pedal. One drawback is that when I have a some loops going in a bunch of tracks (let's say clip 1,2,3 and 4 of scene 1) I can't activate the track volume pedal without also stopping that loop for a while. But for the music I perform this is not a big problem. > Also, as I think about how the fcb works and how Live midi > mapping works it seems as if I'd really only be able to have > each preset send out one midi message. Is that correct? No, luckily not ;-) As you might know you can program each FCB preset to send out midi data for all "switches" (as Behringer calls it) that are activated in that preset. And you can also program Ableton Live to react with many actions to such a "multi-midi-msg" command sent out from your FCB. But it's a bit special to program since the Ableton Live midi learn function can not hear a row of midi messages, it will only register the first. So what you have to do is to send those "FCB-multi-msg's" separately one after the other while working the Live midi learn to assign each controller msg to the Live function you want. This is done with the FCB in programming mode. Here's the complete procedure: Go into FCB programming mode and turn off all switches except for the one sending the midi data you want. 1. Press the button you want to program 2. Hold down the down button until programming mode is entered 3. Press up button Now a bunch of buttons will light up. These are the switches being active in the preset of the button you pressed above at stage 1. You can now turn them off by a long press or you can go into a specific switch to set the actual controllers (by pressing it shortly so it will start blinking and then you go through the menus with the up/down buttons). If you do this the actual midi value for that midi parameter ("switch" in the FCB manual) is being sent out when you do the last arrow-up push, and this is when Ableton Live Mid Learn gets to learn that midi. I have not found any way to save a set of assigned midi controller's as a template in Ableton so when you have finished this procedure you must not forget to save an empty song to use as template. I'm setting this file to "non-writable" file status (or whatever it's called... This is different on Win and Mac but you know what I mean). > Let's > say I wanted a preset that disarms the current slot that's > recording and jumps to the next track and arms the slot for > recording all at the same time. Is that possible? No. You cant assign a midi controller to "jumping to the next track" in Ableton. I was also looking for this ;-) You have to map directly to the clips. Just map them up on your pedal - clips of all scenes! And you can also map buttons directly to a certain scene in Ableton. If you have mapped an FCB button (preset) to let's say scene 2 this will start all clips in scene two to play, but only if they were playing the last time you were in scene 2. Muted/stopped clips will still be muted when you call up that scene again. On very usable thing I found out is that if you step on the button for a certain scene when you already are in that same scene the effect will be that all playing clips will be muted and all muted clips will start playing. This is a typical example of the how smart Ableton is designed (the guys are musicians themselves, I have heard). When you know about this you can use it musically to switch between two sets of loops in the same scene. Another option you have with Live is to use it as an effect processor by monitoring your instrument through the track (inserted fx plug-ins included). However this demands a low latency soundcard. Otherwise you can deselect "Monitor through Live" in the preferences and split your instrument input for one direct (house PA) and one Ableton input signal. When programming FCB/Ableton for this "multi-fx-preamp" function you need to add to the button addressing the clips, also a midi command addressing each Ableton track's monitor button. This midi msg have to be included in all FCB presets that do address clips on the same Ableton track. Personally I'm waiting with this until I can find a laptop with firewire and a low latency firewire mobile interface. Right now I'm using the cheap M-Audiophile USB which would give phase out my instrument sound if monitored through Live and also sent directly to the PA. Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 12 04:47:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8C8jkR01198; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 04:45:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 04:45:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00da01c3790a$106cb760$d064f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <002801c378bd$a1c266d0$b600a8c0@Todd> Subject: Re: Recommended EDP service centers? Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 01:44:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D5_01C378CF.6146D020" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D5_01C378CF.6146D020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Recommended EDP service centers?You'll freak when you learn how far $100 = goes when you upgrade from Loop 3 to Loop 4. It's just incredible. Write to Kim Flint at Aurisis to by the eprom = from him with the Loop 4 software. Best of luck and keep looping. yours, Rick Walker ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Todd Lainhart=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 4:37 PM Subject: Recommended EDP service centers? Hello Loopers -=20 I'm a newbie in possession of a used EDP that's in need of some repair = (LED output is sporatic at times - bad connection somewhere). I called = Gibson, and they recommended an authorized repair center out of Beverly, = MA (I'm in Central MA, USA). =20 Any strong recommendations as to where I should send this thing? It's = a bit dated, so I suspect I'll want to upgrade the software (I'm aware = of LoopIV), and maybe some memory. Thanks for any tips - nice community you have here.=20 -- Todd=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00D5_01C378CF.6146D020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Recommended EDP service centers?
You'll freak when you learn how far = $100 goes=20 when you upgrade from Loop 3 to Loop 4.
It's just = incredible.    Write to=20 Kim Flint at Aurisis to by the eprom from him with the Loop 4=20 software.
 
Best of luck and keep = looping.
 
yours,  Rick = Walker
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Todd=20 Lainhart
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, September 11, = 2003 4:37=20 PM
Subject: Recommended EDP = service=20 centers?

Hello Loopers -

I'm a newbie in possession of a used = EDP that's in=20 need of some repair (LED output is sporatic at times - bad connection=20 somewhere).  I called Gibson, and they recommended an authorized = repair=20 center out of Beverly, MA (I'm in Central MA, USA). 

Any strong recommendations as to where = I should=20 send this thing?  It's a bit dated, so I suspect I'll want to = upgrade the=20 software (I'm aware of LoopIV), and maybe some memory.

Thanks for any tips - nice community = you have=20 here.

  -- Todd =

------=_NextPart_000_00D5_01C378CF.6146D020-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 12 06:08:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8CA6VQ12821; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 06:06:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 06:06:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: syntrillium --> adobe Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 12:07:22 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-Seen: false X-ID: r497SaZArejbg2Bzu8ApFc2VjccTgl8DM-J8YU5RpMLGpjIOjr65E+@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <-vYPjC.A.MID.nqZY_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ack. just found that syntrillium who made the wonderful cooledit software have been eaten by adobe. oh well ... at least it seems they continue cooledit, under a different name of course ... www.cooledit.com -michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 12 07:19:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8CBGdm21517; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 07:16:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 07:16:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: looper.vst??? Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:16:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3791F.54FCAB5C" Message-ID: <434F4E9F549A31418AB4D7EFF99B87AC01634B@mail.t-l.no> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: looper.vst??? Thread-Index: AcN5H1RUFBEIeiBGTZijH6nZmjuYjQ== From: "Mark Red" To: Resent-Message-ID: <6DISkC.A.DQF.XsaY_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3791F.54FCAB5C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi guys and gals!, Been off the list for a while, but popped back on to ask, does anyone know what happened with the guy who was making a looper VST plugin... I found the alpha version in my AudioMulch VST list, and tried it out, and I'd forgotton how promising it looked... but I never heard anything else about it!!! =20 Mark Francombe Art Director Transform =20 mob: 98296008 mark@transformlearning.no =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3791F.54FCAB5C Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi guys and gals!,

Been off the list for a while, but popped back on to = ask, does anyone know what happened with the guy who was making a looper VST = plugin… I found the alpha version in my AudioMulch VST list, and tried it out, = and I’d forgotton how promising it looked… but I never heard anything else = about it!!!

 

Mark Francombe

Art Director

Transform

 

mob: 98296008

mark@transformlearning.no

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C3791F.54FCAB5C-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 12 09:09:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8CD73q09630; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:07:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:07:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002a01c3792e$57e9c320$3166fe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: References: <002801c378bd$a1c266d0$b600a8c0@Todd> <00da01c3790a$106cb760$d064f93f@global> Subject: Re: Recommended EDP service centers? Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 15:04:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01C3793F.1AA000E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <-CWYR.A.YWC.2TcY_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C3793F.1AA000E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Recommended EDP service centers?Hi all, does anybody have a clue who does EDP servicing here in Germany (just in = case, I managed to get my "whining noise problem" fixed, btw.). Thanks and regards, Stephen. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 10:44 AM Subject: Re: Recommended EDP service centers? You'll freak when you learn how far $100 goes when you upgrade from = Loop 3 to Loop 4. It's just incredible. Write to Kim Flint at Aurisis to by the eprom = from him with the Loop 4 software. Best of luck and keep looping. yours, Rick Walker ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Todd Lainhart=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 4:37 PM Subject: Recommended EDP service centers? Hello Loopers -=20 I'm a newbie in possession of a used EDP that's in need of some = repair (LED output is sporatic at times - bad connection somewhere). I = called Gibson, and they recommended an authorized repair center out of = Beverly, MA (I'm in Central MA, USA). =20 Any strong recommendations as to where I should send this thing? = It's a bit dated, so I suspect I'll want to upgrade the software (I'm = aware of LoopIV), and maybe some memory. Thanks for any tips - nice community you have here.=20 -- Todd=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C3793F.1AA000E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Recommended EDP service centers?
Hi all,
 
does anybody have a clue who does EDP = servicing=20 here in Germany (just in case, I managed to get my "whining noise = problem"=20 fixed, btw.).
 
Thanks and regards,
 
Stephen.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rick=20 Walker/Loop.pooL
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, September 12, = 2003 10:44=20 AM
Subject: Re: Recommended EDP = service=20 centers?

You'll freak when you learn how = far $100 goes=20 when you upgrade from Loop 3 to Loop 4.
It's just = incredible.    Write=20 to Kim Flint at Aurisis to by the eprom from him with the Loop 4=20 software.
 
Best of luck and keep = looping.
 
yours,  Rick = Walker
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Todd=20 Lainhart
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, September 11, = 2003 4:37=20 PM
Subject: Recommended EDP = service=20 centers?

Hello Loopers -

I'm a newbie in possession of a used = EDP that's=20 in need of some repair (LED output is sporatic at times - bad = connection=20 somewhere).  I called Gibson, and they recommended an = authorized repair=20 center out of Beverly, MA (I'm in Central MA, USA).  =

Any strong recommendations as to = where I should=20 send this thing?  It's a bit dated, so I suspect I'll want to = upgrade=20 the software (I'm aware of LoopIV), and maybe some = memory.

Thanks for any tips - nice community = you have=20 here.

  -- Todd=20

------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C3793F.1AA000E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 12 10:26:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8CEOB723358; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 10:24:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 10:24:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.177.93] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rackmount 1-space stereo line mixers? Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:23:59 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Sep 2003 14:23:59.0791 (UTC) FILETIME=[82041BF0:01C37939] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A couple of things to consider: Raven Labs makes a 1/2 rack, single space, battery or AC operated 3 channel (with a 4th stereo input) line mixer/DI, the MDB1, which has a parallel aux send/return, but no headphone jack. Very high quality and works great with loopers. It is my primary input mixer for my rig. Probably the cleanest and clearest little mixer I have ever heard. I have also used a MidiMan MultiMixer6, which is a very small (a bit bigger than a cassette tape) 6 channle stero line mixer, with a headphone, but no fx loop. Since it is discrete stereo L and R you can set the pans to use one output as a send and return to an open channel. Very handy and can be found quite a bit on ebay for around $50. You could always get the Raven Labs mixer AND a MidiMan mixer and use the Midiman just as your headphone amp (I do this in one configuration of my rig) Midiman also makes a MultiMixer 18 (which is discontinued, but also pops up on ebay quite a bit), which is a very compact "table top" line mixer, but quite small...about the size of a VHS tape..with 18 inputs, 2 parallel aux sends/returns, stereo outs and a headphone amp. These run in the $100-150 ballpark. These little MidiMan mixers are quite handy, very quiet, with true gain control rather than volumes, and very versatile. I have a couple of them that I keep in my gig bag "just in case"..great for running submixers off a board to DAT or minidisc and such. Max >From: "Mike Barrs" > >Is there anything else that might work? All these 1u rackmount stereo >mixers >are pretty expensive ($400-$600) compared to the compact Behringer/Mackie >horizontal format mixers that would do the same job. I thought I'd ask here >first if there were other options I haven't found. > >Thanks! > > ______________________ > Mike Barrs > _________________________________________________________________ Compare Cable, DSL or Satellite plans: As low as $29.95. https://broadband.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 12 12:45:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8CGeb116039; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 12:40:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 12:40:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F61F8C5.3080305@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:48:05 -0700 From: Scott Kungha Drengsen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rackmount 1-space stereo line mixers? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use a Raven Labs and I'm very happy with it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 12 13:07:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8CH4eO21059; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:04:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:04:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F61FE6A.8060606@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 10:12:10 -0700 From: Scott Kungha Drengsen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Northern Ca loop gig References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm pleased to be playing tomarrow Sept. 13th from 2 to 5 at Bansuri Flute on Piedmont Ave. in Oakland,Ca. http://www.bansuri.net Bansuri Flute is a lovely Tibeto/Indian import shop run by Amar, the son of the great G.S.Sachdev. And a great DJ in his own right... There is a nice selection of world music there and my new CD has done well hence my (free) performance. Stop by and I'll buy you a box of my favorite incence.. PEACE Scott kungha Drengsen Oh,I'll be playing 6 and 12 string fretless basses ( http://www.garzguitars.com if you want to look at my new 12 string) Raven Labs,Echoplex, and Eventide Eclipse for looping. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 12 13:13:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8CHANU22532; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:10:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:10:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 19:10:02 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rackmount 1-space stereo line mixers? X-Mailer: Virtual Access by Atlantic Coast PLC, http://www.atlantic-coast.com/va Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mike, > Is there anything else that might work? Try http://skrydstrup.com/ They have some interesting boxes, and can do custom builds for a price. -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 12 13:39:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8CHaFL26614; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:36:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:36:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: looper.vst??? Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 19:35:38 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <005001c37954$49592aa0$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0051_01C37965.0CE1FAA0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <434F4E9F549A31418AB4D7EFF99B87AC01634B@mail.t-l.no> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C37965.0CE1FAA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, I've been asking myself the same thing. Maybe he got hired by Steinberg ;-) ("looping next Cubase version") Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com -----Original Message----- From: Mark Red [mailto:mark@transformgroup.no] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 1:17 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: looper.vst??? Hi guys and gals!, Been off the list for a while, but popped back on to ask, does anyone know what happened with the guy who was making a looper VST plugin. I found the alpha version in my AudioMulch VST list, and tried it out, and I'd forgotton how promising it looked. but I never heard anything else about it!!! Mark Francombe Art Director Transform mob: 98296008 mark@transformlearning.no ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C37965.0CE1FAA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Meddelande
Yes,=20 I've been asking myself the same thing. Maybe he got hired by Steinberg=20 ;-)   ("looping next Cubase version")

Best wishes

Per=20 Boysen
__________________________________
www.boysen.se
www.loop= room.com=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Red=20 [mailto:mark@transformgroup.no]
Sent: Friday, September 12, = 2003=20 1:17 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 looper.vst???

Hi guys and gals!,

Been off the list for a = while, but=20 popped back on to ask, does anyone know what happened with the guy who = was=20 making a looper VST plugin… I found the alpha version in my = AudioMulch VST=20 list, and tried it out, and I’d forgotton how promising it = looked… but I never=20 heard anything else about it!!!

 

Mark=20 Francombe

Art=20 Director

Transform

 

mob:=20 98296008

mark@transformlearning.no

 

------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C37965.0CE1FAA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 12 14:03:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8CHxXU31659; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:59:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:59:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F620965.9894C94@pixar.com> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 10:59:01 -0700 From: Alex Stahl Organization: Pixar Animation Studios X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Northern Ca loop gig References: <3F61FE6A.8060606@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Amar is Sachdev's son?!? I had no idea. I have been in that shop many times. I will be in the neighborhood tomorrow, and will hope to see you! -Alex Scott Kungha Drengsen wrote: > > I'm pleased to be playing tomarrow Sept. 13th from 2 to 5 at Bansuri > Flute on Piedmont Ave. in Oakland,Ca. http://www.bansuri.net > Bansuri Flute is a lovely Tibeto/Indian import shop run by Amar, the son > of the great G.S.Sachdev. And a great DJ in his own right... > There is a nice selection of world music there and my new CD has done > well hence my (free) performance. Stop by and I'll buy you a box of my > favorite incence.. > PEACE > Scott kungha Drengsen > > Oh,I'll be playing 6 and 12 string fretless basses ( > http://www.garzguitars.com if you want to look at my new 12 string) > Raven Labs,Echoplex, and Eventide Eclipse for looping. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 12 15:06:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8CJ3we12698; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 15:03:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 15:03:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030912190352.79469.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 12:03:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: syntrillium --> adobe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does that mean we're gonna see Mark Hamburg's name when we start cooledit like we do when we start Photoshop? ;) -t- --- Michael Peters wrote: > ack. just found that syntrillium who made the > wonderful cooledit software > have been eaten by adobe. oh well ... at least it > seems they continue > cooledit, under a different name of course ... > www.cooledit.com > > -michael > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 13 01:24:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8D5ND705417; Sat, 13 Sep 2003 01:23:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 01:23:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003201c379b7$0d453000$4001b3d8@ws1> From: "Brian Carabee" To: References: <20030912190352.79469.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Software based looper exist? Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 01:22:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm sure this has been asked before, but I was wondering if there is any such thing as a PC-based software looper available. I'm talking about a real-time looper that you can plug your guitar into and use for live performances. Thanks, and I'm sorry if I'm re-hashing old material. Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 13 07:05:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8DB2sf06355; Sat, 13 Sep 2003 07:02:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 07:02:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030913110246.57102.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 04:02:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Software based looper exist? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003201c379b7$0d453000$4001b3d8@ws1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Brian Carabee wrote: > I'm sure this has been asked before, but I was > wondering if there is any > such thing as a PC-based software looper available. > I'm talking about a > real-time looper that you can plug your guitar into > and use for live > performances. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 13 07:45:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8DBhKT13122; Sat, 13 Sep 2003 07:43:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 07:43:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005601c379ed$64cafae0$0200a8c0@waggy> From: "Tias" To: References: <005001c37954$49592aa0$862159d5@LILLPELLE> Subject: Re: looper.vst??? Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 13:51:34 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0053_01C379FE.250B56A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <1e_F0.A.6MD.XLwY_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C379FE.250B56A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MeddelandeWould be nice to see how far he got. Can anyone mail me a copy = of that Alpha-version? =3D) I've been looking into this issue alot lately (creating a VST looping = plugin that is) and hopefully in a not to distant future i'll have = something really fun for everyone to plug into their VST-software. I'm = not saying more than that i've allready done some really succesfull = tests and experiments. (And some less sucessfull experiments too, hehe.) /Tias ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Per Boysen=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 7:35 PM Subject: RE: looper.vst??? Yes, I've been asking myself the same thing. Maybe he got hired by = Steinberg ;-) ("looping next Cubase version") Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com=20 -----Original Message----- From: Mark Red [mailto:mark@transformgroup.no]=20 Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 1:17 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: looper.vst??? Hi guys and gals!, Been off the list for a while, but popped back on to ask, does = anyone know what happened with the guy who was making a looper VST = plugin. I found the alpha version in my AudioMulch VST list, and tried = it out, and I'd forgotton how promising it looked. but I never heard = anything else about it!!! =20 Mark Francombe Art Director Transform =20 mob: 98296008 mark@transformlearning.no =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C379FE.250B56A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Meddelande
Would be nice to see how far he got. = Can anyone=20 mail me a copy of that Alpha-version? =3D)
 
I've been looking into this issue alot = lately=20 (creating a VST looping plugin that is) and hopefully in a not to = distant future=20 i'll have something really fun for everyone to plug into their = VST-software. I'm=20 not saying more than that i've allready done some really succesfull = tests and=20 experiments. (And some less sucessfull experiments too, = hehe.)
 
/Tias
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Per Boysen =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, September 12, = 2003 7:35=20 PM
Subject: RE: = looper.vst???

Yes,=20 I've been asking myself the same thing. Maybe he got hired by = Steinberg=20 ;-)   ("looping next Cubase = version")

Best wishes

Per=20 Boysen
__________________________________
www.boysen.se
www.looproom.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Red=20 [mailto:mark@transformgroup.no]
Sent: Friday, September = 12, 2003=20 1:17 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Subject:=20 looper.vst???

Hi guys and gals!,

Been off the list for = a while,=20 but popped back on to ask, does anyone know what happened with the = guy who=20 was making a looper VST plugin=85 I found the alpha version in my = AudioMulch=20 VST list, and tried it out, and I=92d forgotton how promising it = looked=85 but I=20 never heard anything else about it!!!

 

Mark=20 Francombe

Art = Director

Transform

 

mob:=20 98296008

mark@transformlearning.no

 

= ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C379FE.250B56A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 13 11:33:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8DFTcL26104; Sat, 13 Sep 2003 11:29:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 11:29:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004e01c37a0c$f8e59ea0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Noko Jones & the Ministry of Transport Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 11:37:42 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tues. Sept.16 - Noko Jones & the Ministry of Transport Karl Mohr http://www.karlmohr.com opens the night with a darkwave techno set, followed by Noko Jones and the Ministry of Transport: Nik Beeson http://www.cirque-samsara.com with Neil Gardiner and Greg Hopen, performing: Taut Electroacoustica Dark Ambience Paradigmalogos Sessions and Other Improvisations distortion . delay . percussion . reverberation . reels . kaoss Between Sets CD - "A Storm Of Drones" disc 2 by V/A Tonight, the Ping's 2003 bi-monthly exploration of the Asphodel label's landmark "Drones" series continues with "Environmental" - disc 2 of "A Storm Of Drones", the concluding 3-disc volume of the series. This collection includes works by renowned soundscape artists such as Michael Sterns, Steve Roach, Alan Lamb, Stuart Dempster, Ellen Fullman, DJ Spooky and Toronto's Darren Copeland. http://www.asphodel.com/cat/asp_0966.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday September 23rd - Samsa and ANGELswing http://www.darkwinter.com http://www.darkwinter.com/dw04.html Between Sets CD - "Halcyon Days" (Fathom - 1996) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "A Violent Narcotic" by Jute Combining haunting vocal stylings with tension driven instrumentation, "A Violent Narcotic" by Jute is an excellent release sure to appeal to fans of both darkwave and trip hop. "Southern Exposure" opens the disc with a sense of claustrophobia and paranoia, walking a thin line between safety and where. "Ephemeral" follows, a languid drum beat keeping unsteady time with the vocals, another study in the poetry of the lost. Jump ahead to "Advent of Zeto", where a chorus of bells give way to a monstrous wall of percussion, where vocals stretch and melt into eachother in a glorious wave of sound. Hypnotic and entrancing, a sense of spiraling psychedelica. Track nine "Invertebrate" creates an air of fear and suspense, unresolved tension driving the piece. Truly marvelous in a dark and confining way. I could go on longer, but of course every moment I spend talking about it is a moment less that you have to experience it yourself. "A Violent Narcotic" by Jute has proven to be one of my favorite albums of the last few months, and I'm sure that many of you who's tastes runs towards the darker side of things will feel the same way. rik maclean - - rik@pingthings.com This month at http://www.pingthings.com - an exclusive interview with Mercurine plus the ping things *massive* first anniversary sale has been extended with new CDs. Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. Drop off food at *ping things* for the Daily Bread Food Bank too and we'll ensure that it gets there. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. To unsubscribe - reply with 'unsubcribe' in the e-mail body. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 13 11:44:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8DFgn428151; Sat, 13 Sep 2003 11:42:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 11:42:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 08:42:41 -0700 Message-ID: <3F615C4900000B6F@mta11.wss.scd.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <003201c379b7$0d453000$4001b3d8@ws1> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: RE: Software based looper exist? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h8DFglW28114 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com AmbiLoop.... I hear it's really good... ;) http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/ peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >From: "Brian Carabee" >To: >Subject: Software based looper exist? >Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 01:22:30 -0400 >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >I'm sure this has been asked before, but I was wondering if there is any >such thing as a PC-based software looper available. I'm talking about a >real-time looper that you can plug your guitar into and use for live >performances. > >Thanks, and I'm sorry if I'm re-hashing old material. > >Brian > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 13 14:03:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8DI0FN21028; Sat, 13 Sep 2003 14:00:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 14:00:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 14:00:11 -0400 Subject: Re: EDP/Repeater Tempo Define (was EDP MIDI Problems?/Repeater As A Live Looper) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: soam To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030911224258.049146a0@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: <1E2D771E-E614-11D7-B0AE-0003931CF5E4@acedsl.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, September 12, 2003, at 01:47 AM, Kim Flint wrote: >> Hmm..can you define the tempo on the fly? I wasn't planning on >> playing to a metronome. >> For example: >> >> 1) hit record on EDP or Repeater on first downbeat. >> 2) hit record on downbeat of beat 5 >> 3) BPM automatically displayed and Korg drum machine in sync as slave >> >> This is how I would want it to work. > > the echoplex does do that, quite easily. > kim And the Repeater, does it do this? I like the idea of having "tracks". Maybe I can use it with a Reamp box to plug it into a guitar amp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 13 17:13:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8DLAsk30883; Sat, 13 Sep 2003 17:10:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 17:10:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F638ADA.87328497@erols.com> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 17:23:38 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: The Order, David Torn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just got back from seeing The Order. Bad movie, Great Music. David Torn's score was excellent. Lots of little looping bits here and there. I've been trying to find the soundtrack CD, but it doesn't seem to be available yet. Anybody know when the soundtrack will be available? Thanks, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 13 17:59:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8DLwMr05245; Sat, 13 Sep 2003 17:58:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 17:58:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 14:58:14 -0700 Subject: OT: Alesis SR-16 From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can someone remind me why I don't like this drum machine? Guitar Center is offering them for $149. I sold mine years ago, but I can't remember what I disliked other than the pads being excessively stiff. Thanks. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 13 18:16:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8DME1309516; Sat, 13 Sep 2003 18:14:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 18:14:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Mike Barrs" To: Subject: RE: Rackmount 1-space stereo line mixers? Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 15:13:20 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Loop-Detect: 1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the suggestions, everyone. I'll let y'all know what I end up with, and how it works. Mike Barrs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 13 20:47:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8E0krH06365; Sat, 13 Sep 2003 20:46:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 20:46:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.146.238.212] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Order, David Torn Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 20:46:46 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Sep 2003 00:46:46.0672 (UTC) FILETIME=[ACD36900:01C37A59] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can find it on Amazon.com for about $18... Great music/bad film but I'm really happy Mr. Torn finally got a gig as the main composer... Cheers Lou >From: John Mazzarella >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > >Subject: The Order, David Torn >Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 17:23:38 -0400 > >Just got back from seeing The Order. Bad movie, Great Music. David >Torn's score was excellent. Lots of little looping bits here and >there. I've been trying to find the soundtrack CD, but it doesn't seem >to be available yet. Anybody know when the soundtrack will be >available? > >Thanks, >John >www.johnmazzarella.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 14 10:35:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8EEXbo18543; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 10:33:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 10:33:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 23:33:32 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: anyone/anything in Tokyo? From: Os To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <6A7C5416-E6C0-11D7-9859-0003931DE510@collective.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi. I'm in Tokyo for a while. Can anyone recommend any clubs/venues which might play loop-like music? (Mail me off-list maybe.) cheers, os. os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 14 14:07:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8EI5c719442; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 14:05:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 14:05:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JustinFobes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 14:05:32 EDT Subject: Was Re: Line6 loopers, now Acoustic Pickups. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a5.3f39dd3b.2c9607ec_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_a5.3f39dd3b.2c9607ec_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/9/03 1:01:13 PM Central Daylight Time, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com writes: > the crap that comes out of tv's (and I'm speaking of the EM radiation, not > the content) gets everywhere and guitars can only avoid picking it up when > fitted with decent humbuckers. unfortunately, this rather limits what you can > do with the guitar.... > one idea, though, and not a new one by any means, is to adopt the alembic > trick of using a dummy pickup to do the humbucking. this would have to be > carefully level matched with whatever combination of real pickups you happen to be > using. > > there is probably a market for something that automatically performs > noise-cancellation in this manner, like these noise-cancelling headphones that you > can get. the shash that you're catching from the tv sets is pretty > omnidirectional. > > but you could start by finding an old single-coil pickup, which you could > glue underneath the scratchplate somewhere. to be effective, it ought to be in > the same plane as the other pickups, and roughly the same impedance. take out > the polepieces and wire it through a pull-switch pot, so you can fine-tune > the phase and balance. > > alternatively, you could work on the proprietors to switch to plasma > screens..... or set up in some sort of metal cage and run a ground wire. you could > have a sign on the front: "don't feed the looper- beer only". > > duncan. > Thanks, unfortunately, my Lowden O-35 will not allow me more than one pickup at a time (She's a lil hi spirited . . .), I may just replace my Sunrise with a Seymour Duncan MicMag. Good reviews on H-C. Anyone experienced here? -Justin Fobes http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Justin_Fobes/ --part1_a5.3f39dd3b.2c9607ec_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 9/9/03 1:01:13 PM Central Daylight=20= Time, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com writes:

the crap that comes out of tv's (and I'm speaking of the EM= radiation, not the content) gets everywhere and guitars can only avoid pick= ing it up when fitted with decent humbuckers. unfortunately, this rather lim= its what you can do with the guitar....
one idea, though, and not a=20= new one by any means, is to adopt the alembic trick of using a dummy pickup=20= to do the humbucking. this would have to be carefully level matched with wha= tever combination of real pickups you happen to be using.

there is probably a market f= or something that automatically performs noise-cancellation in this manner,=20= like these noise-cancelling headphones that you can get. the shash that you'= re catching from the tv sets is pretty omnidirectional.
 
but you could start by findi= ng an old single-coil pickup, which you could glue underneath the scratchpla= te somewhere. to be effective, it ought to be in the same plane as the other= pickups, and roughly the same impedance. take out the polepieces and wire i= t through a pull-switch pot, so you can fine-tune the phase and balance.
 
alternatively, you could wor= k on the proprietors to switch to plasma screens..... or set up in some sort= of metal cage and run a ground wire. you could have a sign on the front: "d= on't feed the looper- beer only".
 
duncan. 


Thanks, unfortunately, my Lowden O-35 will not allow me more than one pickup= at a time (She's a lil hi spirited . . .), I may just replace my Sunrise wi= th a Seymour Duncan MicMag.  Good reviews on H-C.  Anyone experien= ced here?
-Justin Fobes http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Justin_Fobes/ --part1_a5.3f39dd3b.2c9607ec_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 14 14:09:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8EI8MC19990; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 14:08:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 14:08:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 14:07:50 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Feedback Music From: David Myers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <5A69B770-E6DE-11D7-A76E-000393DAB2B8@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all, Just dropping in here briefly to mention that my 1989 LP "Engines of Myth" has finally been released on CD by ReR Megacorp. Some list members had asked about it. You can find it on my new website, and it's also available from ReR in the UK and Wayside here in the states. cheers, DLM David Lee Myers Feedback Music at http://www.pulsewidth.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 14 16:38:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8EKYme09692; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 16:34:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 16:34:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.218.38] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] From: "samba *" To: info@ccscc.org, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: WOODSTOCKHAUSEN 2003 A Tiny Festival of Esoteric Music Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 13:34:41 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Sep 2003 20:34:41.0753 (UTC) FILETIME=[A015AC90:01C37AFF] Resent-Message-ID: <1PPWrD.A.WXC.oDNZ_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com please list this event:contact:Veronique Larcher 831 295-8381 For Immediate Release vero@elsaproductions.com Sept.9,2003 http://.elsaproductions.com WOODSTOCKHAUSEN 2003 A Tiny Festival of Esoteric Music Sept.27th 2003 5pm-Music recital Hall University of California,Santa Cruz Sept.25th,2003-7pm Free Reception/Tape Concert Cayuga Vault,Santa Cruz FOLK MUSIC FOR THE 21st CENTURY Now in it's 6th year Woodstockhausen is an annual showcase for acoustic innovators and and practicioners of visual art whose work falls outside the pinprick of popular culture. The concert includes;live and recorded music,live video,sound art installations, and more. This year's concert will include over 50 performances from both local and visiting artists.Featured compsitions include new worls rendered on custom electronics and software-based instruments,often invented by the artists themselves,as well as abstract performances for more tradtitional instrumentation. as an additional bridge between academia and the experimental scene the festival will open with a New Music Works Ensemble performance of a work by the student composer winner of theSound Horizons ELSA orize(still to be determined). Animated video art courtesy of Tristam Visuals will be projected throughout the evening,providing a captivating visual component to all of the performances. Tickets for the festival are on a $10.sliding scale,available at the door on the night of the show.Please make sure to eat an early dinner and bring snacks for consumption in the lobby during intermissions,as we start earlier than usual this year. This year's festival is brought to you by the volunteer contributions of time enthusiasm,and expertise from many private individuals.Our sponsors include:ELSA Productions,and the University of California Santa Cruz History What is this compulsion to get up in the middle of the night and putter around making strange new noise? Not even the sirens call of television,the physical need for exercise,or threats of dire consequences from employers about nodding off during meetings seem to keep them from it. Despite the plaintive urging from spouses to feed the cat and return to bed,their pallid visages ramain lit up by the ghostly glow of computer monitors,or they can be heard running power tools behind the locked doors of their workshops building god knows what.They realize that no conventional radio station would ever play their work,that no coffee house would let them set up in a corner and blat away at the customers,and that their exrended realatives will respond with polite incomprehension or outright incredulity when they try to describe their passion.Untold millions throughout the world suffer this experimental obsession.Theirs is an often-misunderstood grass roots form of self expression Since 1998 ,Woodstockhausen has served as a creative outlet for creators of the experimental and the just plain weird. Woodstockhausen has been an annual event since 1998 when it started in the Boulder Creek back yard of Wayne Jackson. Wayne held a few modest experimental music concerts at his home in Davis and spawned an addiction that would later grow.A few years after moving to Silicon Valley,living the rat race and fathering a child,his friend and participant in many of the musical soirees,Doug Cook,more than gently nudged Wayne into reviving the habit in the form of "Woodstockhausen" The original Woodstockhausen featured the hidden private work of engineers and technologists from the E-mu Technology Center,whose enthusiasm and dedication really infused the event with a life of it's own.David Tristram's video art was projected on a screen made of PZVC pipe and construction paper which lasted right up until the last act before dramatically disintegrating in a light breeze.Later screens built of mosaic bed sheets fared somewhat better. The origin of the name Woodstockhausen coined by Brian Salter lies at the confluence of the classic 60s folk music concert Woodstock and Karlheinz Stockhausen,the legendary German experimental music icon. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with MSN Messenger 6.0 -- download now! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_general From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 14 16:56:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8EKstK12187; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 16:54:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 16:54:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 13:54:53 -0700 Subject: Re: Acoustic Pickups Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6--633652658 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200309142038.h8EKcE109977@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-6--633652658 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed The Sunrise is a (stacked) humbucking pickup. If you're still getting=20= interference, the problem may be downstream from your guitar. TravisH On Sunday, September 14, 2003, at 01:38 PM,=20 Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Subject: Was Re: Line6 loopers, now Acoustic Pickups. > > > In a message dated 9/9/03 1:01:13 PM Central Daylight Time,=20 > goddard.duncan@mtvne.com writes: > > the crap that comes out of tv's (and I'm speaking of the EM radiation,=20= > not the content) gets everywhere and guitars can only avoid picking it=20= > up when fitted with decent humbuckers. unfortunately, this rather=20 > limits what you can do with the guitar.... > one idea, though, and not a new one by any means, is to adopt the=20 > alembic trick of using a dummy pickup to do the humbucking. this would=20= > have to be carefully level matched with whatever combination of real=20= > pickups you happen to be using. > > there is probably a market for something that automatically performs=20= > noise-cancellation in this manner, like these noise-cancelling=20 > headphones that you can get. the shash that you're catching from the=20= > tv sets is pretty omnidirectional. > =A0 > but you could start by finding an old single-coil pickup, which you=20 > could glue underneath the scratchplate somewhere. to be effective, it=20= > ought to be in the same plane as the other pickups, and roughly the=20 > same impedance. take out the polepieces and wire it through a=20 > pull-switch pot, so you can fine-tune the phase and balance. > =A0 > alternatively, you could work on the proprietors to switch to plasma=20= > screens..... or set up in some sort of metal cage and run a ground=20 > wire. you could have a sign on the front: "don't feed the looper- beer=20= > only". > =A0 > duncan.=A0 > > > > Thanks, unfortunately, my Lowden O-35 will not allow me more than one=20= > pickup at a time (She's a lil hi spirited . . .), I may just replace=20= > my Sunrise with a Seymour Duncan MicMag.=A0 Good reviews on H-C.=A0 = Anyone=20 > experienced here? > -Justin Fobes http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Justin_Fobes/ > --Apple-Mail-6--633652658 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 The Sunrise is a (stacked) humbucking pickup. If you're still getting interference, the problem may be downstream from your guitar. TravisH On Sunday, September 14, 2003, at 01:38 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: Subject: Was Re: Line6 loopers, now Acoustic Pickups. ArialIn a message dated 9/9/03 1:01:13 PM Central Daylight Time, = 1999,1999,FFFFgoddard.duncan@mtvne.com writes: 0000,0000,FFFFthe crap that comes out of tv's (and I'm speaking of the EM radiation, not the content) gets everywhere and guitars can only avoid picking it up when fitted with decent humbuckers. unfortunately, this rather limits what you can do with the guitar.... one idea, though, and not a new one by any means, is to adopt the alembic trick of using a dummy pickup to do the humbucking. this would have to be carefully level matched with whatever combination of real pickups you happen to be using. there is probably a market for something that automatically performs noise-cancellation in this manner, like these noise-cancelling headphones that you can get. the shash that you're catching from the tv sets is pretty omnidirectional. 0000,0000,0000=A0 0000,0000,FFFFbut you could start by finding an old single-coil pickup, which you could glue underneath the scratchplate somewhere. to be effective, it ought to be in the same plane as the other pickups, and roughly the same impedance. take out the polepieces and wire it through a pull-switch pot, so you can fine-tune the phase and balance. 0000,0000,0000=A0 0000,0000,FFFFalternatively, you could work on the proprietors to switch to plasma screens..... or set up in some sort of metal cage and run a ground wire. you could have a sign on the front: "don't feed the looper- beer only". 0000,0000,0000=A0 = 0000,0000,FFFFduncan.0000,0000,0000=A0 Thanks, unfortunately, my Lowden O-35 will not allow me more than one pickup at a time (She's a lil hi spirited . . .), I may just replace my Sunrise with a Seymour Duncan MicMag.=A0 Good reviews on H-C.=A0 = Anyone experienced here? 1999,1999,FFFF-Justin Fobes http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Justin_Fobes/ = --Apple-Mail-6--633652658-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 14 17:16:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8ELEfi16160; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 17:14:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 17:14:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: RE: anyone/anything in Tokyo? Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 23:15:05 +0200 Message-ID: <003201c37b05$45d8e0c0$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 In-Reply-To: <6A7C5416-E6C0-11D7-9859-0003931DE510@collective.co.uk> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi os, hi everybody, if it is ok with the others, I'd like to see these recommendations communicated here on-list. (I might be visiting Tokyo again sometime in the near future). Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de > -----Original Message----- > From: Os [mailto:os@collective.co.uk] > Sent: Sonntag, 14. September 2003 16:34 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: anyone/anything in Tokyo? > > > Hi. > > I'm in Tokyo for a while. > > Can anyone recommend any clubs/venues which might play > loop-like music? > (Mail me off-list maybe.) > > > cheers, > os. > > os@collective.co.uk > http://www.collective.co.uk/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 14 19:15:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8ENC9J05468; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 19:12:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 19:12:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006201c37b15$6da586c0$2664f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200309142038.h8EKcEq09980@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: SR16 as loop controller Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 16:10:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark asked about the SR16 drum machine, being blown out for $149 by musiciansfriends.com: If you purchase this machine, merely as a hardware midi sequencer is it worth it's weight in gold, in my opinion. The sounds truly suck (although practically any sounds can become interesting with a little filtering and effects processing) but it's midi implimentation is pretty darn good for such an old piece of 'kit' (love that english term for gear). Because it has always sold well, Alesis has never upgraded the sounds in this instrument. I believe it got release in 1989 so the sound choices are really terrible and old fashioned in a NOT retro cool way. I still use mine to do drum tracks and use my sampler as the sound source. Also, you can drive some of the EDP's functions with it (Claude Voit has apparently really delved into this with interesting results but I , frankly and regretfully, haven't heard what he has done----you might write him and bug him about his technique. Also, my brother has been doing really fascinating stuff with using arpegiators to control the pitch of the REPEATER. One afternoon, I came home from walking around playing my little kanjira (small diameter Southern Indian frame drum) and a beautiful bamboo D major Indian flute. Bill called me in, asked me to play a very slow Alap (the part of a piece of Indian music where you play all the notes of the scale improvisational very slowly so that the audience can really 'hear' it before you start into the more rapid raga improvisations. I did, he recorded it for a very long time onto his repeater and then he began to use a very fast arpegiator on his guitar with octaves. I then played over the top of it with a fast drum rhtyhm and Bill recorded that too. The results are truly amazing and I will use the resultant track on my next abstact electronica CD, 'Purple Hand' (out in late fall/early december). I'd say if you have the capitol, that you should buy it for it's sequencing capabilities alone. Where else can you get such a cheap hardware sequencer. Plus, you can use the machine as a metronome (to practise all those odd time signatures that have always eluded you) and try those 'behind the beat/on top of the beat' exercises that I posted here while back. last note..................if that Alesis INEKO is still being blown out, you folks are fools not to buy one (if you have the dough). My wife and I did a noise/rhythm improv set at a local bar and she used it to incredible fascinating effect.................just beautiful industrial noises and strange sounds possible with that little $80 beast. Loop on, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 14 20:03:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8F02fI14240; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:02:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:02:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a401c37b1c$7cba7100$2664f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <3F60ABF1.6080500@cabq.gov> Subject: Re: Last Inventory: Loop Shirts Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 17:01:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Did you ever sell the gray large looper shirt? I never saw this in my e-mail inbox I'd love to buy it, if it hasn't already sold. It is always the best bet to make black t-shirts to sell, but I'm getting sick of always wearing black.............gray rocks................as does dayglo lime green. lol. thanks for doing this, Jason. I love my new shirt. yours, Rick btw , if you are interested, I will probably be making a run of Y2K3 t-shirts and possibly a small run of t-shirts commemorating my Live Looping Tour of Europe and the UK this past summer. Let me know if you are interested in buying either or both. Don't know what the prices will be but probably not too expensive. yours, Rick Walker (aka loop.pool) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Fink" To: "Loopers" Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:08 AM Subject: Last Inventory: Loop Shirts > > > Greeting Loopers, > > I wanted to let folks know that I have a few looper shirts left over > from the last printing, and now that my other orders are settled > these are available for immediate shipping. I do not plan on doing > more shirts for quite awhile... > > What I got: > 2 Large > 2 X-Large > 1 Large in Gray (rather than black). > > Apologies to those outside of the USA, but I cannot properly > use USPS to track the international packages. If shirts get lost > in international mail, which they have in the past, I can not do > another printing to make up for it. I hate to make this restriction, > but I must, Domestic Shipping only. > > The cost for these last few shirts is $22 via Paypal or check. This > price will > include Priority Mail and Delivery Confirmation. > > Contact me offlist if you want one: > > dimmo@dimbulb.org > > thanks, > -jas > albuquerque > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 14 20:56:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8F0t7r22288; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:55:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:55:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <163.259e60cc.2c9667df@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:54:55 EDT Subject: alesis ineko To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_163.259e60cc.2c9667df_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10689 Resent-Message-ID: <9Qn2RC.A.HcF.r3QZ_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_163.259e60cc.2c9667df_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/14/03 7:12:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, looppool@cruzio.com writes: > if that Alesis INEKO is still being blown out, > you folks are fools not to > buy one (if you have the dough). i will second that.....mine has been a source of great fun and may i say, inspiration.....the fuzz patch alone is worth the price.....there are a multitude of sounds in this little gem.....i find new sounds everytime i sit down with it and all i'm sending thru it is my guitar.....i have to try it thru my effects send on my mixer so i can send more noize makers into it.....today as i was playing i really thought of getting a second one.....they take up no space but im finding it hard to place it close enuf to tweek (and tweek it you can!).....i've just been setting it on my leg as im playing (sitting down).....not the best but it works and when winter comes it will keep me toasty.....michael --part1_163.259e60cc.2c9667df_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 9/14/0= 3 7:12:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, looppool@cruzio.com writes:


if that Alesis INEKO is still b= eing blown out,
you folks are fools not to
buy one (if you have the dough).  


i will second that.....mine has been a source of great fun and may i say, in= spiration.....the fuzz patch alone is worth the price.....there are a multit= ude of sounds in this little gem.....i find new sounds everytime i sit down=20= with it and all i'm sending thru it is my guitar.....i have to try it thru m= y effects send on my mixer so i can send more noize makers into it.....today= as i was playing i really thought of getting a second one.....they take up=20= no space but im finding it hard to place it close enuf to tweek (and tweek i= t you can!).....i've just been setting it on my leg as im playing (sitting d= own).....not the best but it works and when winter comes it will keep me toa= sty.....michael --part1_163.259e60cc.2c9667df_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 14 21:15:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8F1ETU30263; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 21:14:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 21:14:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030915011421.67884.qmail@web40703.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 18:14:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: The Order, David Torn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3F638ADA.87328497@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <_LksdC.A.vYH.1JRZ_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- John Mazzarella wrote: > Just got back from seeing The Order. Bad movie, > Great Music. David Torn's score was excellent. Ha, I started expressing the exact same same opinion yesterday on the Torn list, but AOL booted me before I finished and I didn't feel like writing it again! >I've been trying to find the soundtrack CD, > but it doesn't seem > to be available yet. Anybody know when the > soundtrack will be > available? Supposedly you can get it through , but the page keeps timing out on me after I put the item in my "cart". (I've tried it half a dozen times...) I may just special order it through a local retailer. -t- > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 14 21:48:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8F1lZT02334; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 21:47:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 21:47:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JustinFobes@aol.com Message-ID: <142.18f1d1c8.2c96742c@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 21:47:24 EDT Subject: Re: Acoustic Pickups To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_142.18f1d1c8.2c96742c_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_142.18f1d1c8.2c96742c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/14/03 3:55:06 PM Central Daylight Time, tiktok@sprintmail.com writes: > The Sunrise is a (stacked) humbucking pickup. If you're still getting > interference, the problem may be downstream from your guitar. > > TravisH Hummm . . . What, or where do you think it would come from? Sunrise --> LRBaggs Internal Preamp --> Line 6 DL4 (Where the interference is looped) Mebby the HI- Z Cable from preamp to Line 6 DL4? Thanks soo much for your OT input, really, the help on this list is really good! -Justin Fobes http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Justin_Fobes/ --part1_142.18f1d1c8.2c96742c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 9/14/03 3:55:06 PM Central Daylight= Time, tiktok@sprintmail.com writes:

The Sunrise is a  (stacked= ) humbucking pickup.  If you're still getting
interference, the problem may be downstream from your guitar.

TravisH


Hummm . . .

What, or where do you think it would come from?

Sunrise --> LRBaggs Internal Preamp --> Line 6 DL4 (Where the interfer= ence is looped) 

Mebby the HI- Z Cable from preamp to Line 6 DL4?

Thanks soo much for your OT input, really, the help on this list is really g= ood!

-Justin Fobes
http://artists.= iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Justin_Fobes/ --part1_142.18f1d1c8.2c96742c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 14 23:37:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8F3aQZ17153; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 23:36:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 23:36:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030915033625.25268.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:36:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Daniel Lapp - Looper of violins, trumpet, etc. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002801c36f35$30dac7a0$e0154ed5@bigboy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <-GSj6.A.2LE.6OTZ_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I attended a solo show by Daniel Lapp this past Saturday. For at least half his songs, he used live looping to build up arrangements of his music and/or accompany his vocals when he chose to sing. The instruments he looped included acoustic violin, a 6-string electric violin that reached into the cello/viola range, trumpet, and a 4-string guitar. He also played piano. Though he did't loop the piano, he play it and sing along with loops created on his other instruments. He's yet another example of a good songwriter and fantastic overall musician who effectively works live looping into his shows. His website is http://www.daniellapp.com. I purchased the CD _Closer Than They Appear_ by his group Lappelectro. The guy who sold it to me said it was a fusion album. It turned out to be pretty good jazz/fusion/electronica hybrid music. I may order his Reunion CD (which is more oriented towards traditional fiddling) too. Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 15 00:48:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8F4lCK27745; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 00:47:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 00:47:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 23:46:08 -0500 Subject: Re: gnx3 From: "Richard J. Roberts" To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h8F4lBW27722 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks so much! to everyone who replied to my inquiry regarding the gnx3. Each and every reply was a really great help. I eventually chose to go with a second JamMan, and this seems to be working out quite well in my set up. I know I don't post much here, but I do lurk very intensely! Richard -- Richard J. Roberts / ZERO OHMS From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 15 04:45:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8F8hoP30292; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 04:43:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 04:43:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: OT: mp4 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 10:44:54 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-Seen: false X-ID: VgY3NZZboenYILLppaxC2lMxCOkJQK4erk+LrF-xZiR4fROulhYKw8@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com does anyone know a (Win) program that can convert mp4 audio files to wav or mp3? couldn't find anything. i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i! = michael peters = www.michaelpeters.de = computer graphics + electronic music From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 15 04:50:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8F8lL230745; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 04:47:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 04:47:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: mp4 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 01:47:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcN7ZZiu0uTS3JNOSmabqaD6jg1iIgAAD1qA Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This program does it: http://www.poikosoft.com/ :::-----Original Message----- :::From: Michael Peters [mailto:mpeters@csi.com] :::Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 1:45 AM :::To: Loopers Delight :::Subject: OT: mp4 ::: :::does anyone know a (Win) program that can convert mp4 audio files to wav :::or :::mp3? couldn't find anything. :::i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i! :::= michael peters :::= www.michaelpeters.de :::= computer graphics + electronic music ::: ::: ::: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 15 13:10:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8FH7J309945; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 13:07:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 13:07:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030915170718.76388.qmail@web80003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 10:07:18 -0700 (PDT) From: David Durian Subject: I'm Still on the List To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-295584582-1063645638=:74826" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-295584582-1063645638=:74826 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii All, Don't worry--I'm still subscribed--just changed my email address. 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--0-295584582-1063645638=:74826-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 15 13:24:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8FHLJ811954; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 13:21:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 13:21:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F65F4BA.1080305@bagend.com> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:19:54 -0500 From: Henry Heine User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rackmount 1-space stereo line mixers? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Check out the Rolls RM203x http://www.rolls.com/rollsproducts/ Mike Barrs wrote: > Right now I'm using my Repeater as an inline, downstream effect after my > Roland VG-88 guitar processor. For various reasons (including the latency > issue which has been mentioned here), I'd like to try moving the Repeater > off into a side-chain (parallel) FX signal, instead of running it inline. > > The easy and cheap solution would be a compact horizontal-format mixer with > two AUX sends per channel (Behringer, Mackie, etc.) But I'm trying to keep > my rig as compact as possible, and I would prefer doing this with a 1-space > rackmount stereo line mixer. > > One complication here is that I would like a headphone output in the mixer, > since I've been using the Repeater's headphone jack to monitor practice > sessions. If I move it off to a parallel FX loop and run it in dry mute > mode, I won't hear the VG-88 live sound in the headphones. > > I haven't found many candidates so far. Most of the 1u rackmount line mixers > don't even have FX sends, and the few that do are usually mono sends and > returns. And very few rackmount line mixers include a headphone jack. Here > are the options I've found so far in stereo 1u rack line mixers that might > work: > > Rane SM82 -- full stereo FX loop, but no headphone jack (I'd have to add a > headphone amp). > > Ashly LX308B -- no FX loop, but it has a headphone jack. > > Whirlwind Mix 6 -- no FX loop, but it has a headphone jack. > > I could use a pair of line splitters ahead of the Ashley or Whirlwind mixers > to get around the FX loop problem... split the VG-88 stereo signal, send one > stereo pair to the mixer, the other stereo pair to the Repeater, and bring > the Repeater's output back into the mixer. > > Is there anything else that might work? All these 1u rackmount stereo mixers > are pretty expensive ($400-$600) compared to the compact Behringer/Mackie > horizontal format mixers that would do the same job. I thought I'd ask here > first if there were other options I haven't found. > > Thanks! > > ______________________ > Mike Barrs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 15 13:28:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8FHMst12153; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 13:22:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 13:22:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 10:22:48 -0700 Subject: Re: I'm Still on the List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 64a25aa1 aee23e9e 95c4c99d 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030915170718.76388.qmail@web80003.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <3A13CEA0-E7A1-11D7-9CCC-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h8FHMsW12126 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Whew! That's a relief. Someone call the Times. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, September 15, 2003, at 10:07 AM, David Durian wrote: > All, >   > Don't worry--I'm still subscribed--just changed my email address. > That's all. >   > David Durian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 15 18:34:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8FMVc410950; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 18:31:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 18:31:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Mike Barrs" To: Subject: RE: Acoustic Pickups Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 15:31:23 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <142.18f1d1c8.2c96742c@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-Loop-Detect: 1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: JustinFobes@aol.com [mailto:JustinFobes@aol.com] >> In a message dated 9/14/03 3:55:06 PM Central Daylight Time, >> tiktok@sprintmail.com writes: >> >> The Sunrise is a (stacked) humbucking pickup. If you're still >> getting interference, the problem may be downstream from your guitar. >> >> TravisH > > > Hummm . . . > > What, or where do you think it would come from? > > Sunrise --> LRBaggs Internal Preamp --> Line 6 DL4 (Where the > interference is looped) > > Mebby the HI- Z Cable from preamp to Line 6 DL4? > > Thanks soo much for your OT input, really, the help on this list is > really good! > Justin, I've heard hum even from stacked humbuckers like the Sunrise when you get into a heavy enough local RF field. Or, it could be a ground loop problem. I haven't tried the Duncan Magmic, but I do have a Fishman Rare Earth Blend (magnetic soundhole pickup with a small condenser mic on a gooseneck). It's a stacked humbucker with an onboard preamp. The preamp really helps kill any hum... it's extremely quiet, even when recording near a computer monitor or other RF sources. The "Pick up the World" company and the Lace pickup company have jointly developed a new "NT" pickup system. This uses a very small magnetic pickup mounted at the end of the fingerboard, along with various other options for undersaddle or soundboard mounting. The system can be run in blended mono or stereo output modes. You might want to look into this too. I haven't heard it yet, but it's supposedly a very quiet and RF-rejecting design. Mike Barrs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 15 19:50:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8FNiMZ32310; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 19:44:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 19:44:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.63.249.232] X-Originating-Email: [matthewf5@hotmail.com] From: "Matthew Wiley" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rackmount 1-space stereo line mixers? Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 18:44:15 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Sep 2003 23:44:15.0572 (UTC) FILETIME=[45D27940:01C37BE3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com henry, then Rane SM-82 is the best single space line mixer. period. -matt >From: Henry Heine >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Rackmount 1-space stereo line mixers? >Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:19:54 -0500 > >Check out the Rolls RM203x > >http://www.rolls.com/rollsproducts/ > >Mike Barrs wrote: >>Right now I'm using my Repeater as an inline, downstream effect after my >>Roland VG-88 guitar processor. For various reasons (including the latency >>issue which has been mentioned here), I'd like to try moving the Repeater >>off into a side-chain (parallel) FX signal, instead of running it inline. >> >>The easy and cheap solution would be a compact horizontal-format mixer >>with >>two AUX sends per channel (Behringer, Mackie, etc.) But I'm trying to keep >>my rig as compact as possible, and I would prefer doing this with a >>1-space >>rackmount stereo line mixer. >> >>One complication here is that I would like a headphone output in the >>mixer, >>since I've been using the Repeater's headphone jack to monitor practice >>sessions. If I move it off to a parallel FX loop and run it in dry mute >>mode, I won't hear the VG-88 live sound in the headphones. >> >>I haven't found many candidates so far. Most of the 1u rackmount line >>mixers >>don't even have FX sends, and the few that do are usually mono sends and >>returns. And very few rackmount line mixers include a headphone jack. Here >>are the options I've found so far in stereo 1u rack line mixers that might >>work: >> >>Rane SM82 -- full stereo FX loop, but no headphone jack (I'd have to add a >>headphone amp). >> >>Ashly LX308B -- no FX loop, but it has a headphone jack. >> >>Whirlwind Mix 6 -- no FX loop, but it has a headphone jack. >> >>I could use a pair of line splitters ahead of the Ashley or Whirlwind >>mixers >>to get around the FX loop problem... split the VG-88 stereo signal, send >>one >>stereo pair to the mixer, the other stereo pair to the Repeater, and bring >>the Repeater's output back into the mixer. >> >>Is there anything else that might work? All these 1u rackmount stereo >>mixers >>are pretty expensive ($400-$600) compared to the compact Behringer/Mackie >>horizontal format mixers that would do the same job. I thought I'd ask >>here >>first if there were other options I haven't found. >> >>Thanks! >> >> ______________________ >> Mike Barrs > > _________________________________________________________________ Try MSN Messenger 6.0 with integrated webcam functionality! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_webcam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 15 19:56:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8FNrmK02866; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 19:53:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 19:53:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Mike Barrs" To: Subject: RE: Acoustic Pickups Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 16:53:35 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-Loop-Detect: 1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Mike Barrs [mailto:mbarrs@nightviewer.com] > The "Pick up the World" company and the Lace pickup company have jointly > developed a new "NT" pickup system. This uses a very small magnetic pickup > mounted at the end of the fingerboard, along with various other > options for undersaddle or soundboard mounting. Correction... "along with various other options for using it along with an undersaddle or soundboard PUTW transducer, in a mono or stereo setup" Sometimes I write too fast for my brain. Mike Barrs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 15 20:43:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8G0g9e17821; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 20:42:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 20:42:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 17:42:04 -0700 Subject: Re: Acoustic Pickups Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--533621615 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200309151728.h8FHSKo13377@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: <9795A4AC-E7DE-11D7-B820-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2--533621615 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed It can still be the pickup. "Humbucking" doesn't equal "never picks up=20= any hum". In the past I've had problems with pre-amps and compressors,=20= even with hum-cancelling pickups. If your Baggs pickup is internal to=20= your guitar though, it'll obviously be difficult to bypass that, but=20 that'd be next step. You've got to be able isolate the pickup from the=20= pre-amp to test it, but if you're within a few feet of a neon sign=20 transformer, there may not be much you can do on your end without some=20= equipment changes. TravisH On Monday, September 15, 2003, at 10:28 AM,=20 Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > Hummm . . . > > What, or where do you think it would come from? > > Sunrise --> LRBaggs Internal Preamp --> Line 6 DL4 (Where the=20 > interference is looped)=A0 > > Mebby the HI- Z Cable from preamp to Line 6 DL4? > > Thanks soo much for your OT input, really, the help on this list is=20 > really good! > > -Justin Fobes --Apple-Mail-2--533621615 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 It can still be the pickup. "Humbucking" doesn't equal "never picks up any hum". In the past I've had problems with pre-amps and compressors, even with hum-cancelling pickups. If your Baggs pickup is internal to your guitar though, it'll obviously be difficult to bypass that, but that'd be next step. You've got to be able isolate the pickup from the pre-amp to test it, but if you're within a few feet of a neon sign transformer, there may not be much you can do on your end without some equipment changes. TravisH On Monday, September 15, 2003, at 10:28 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: Hummm . . . What, or where do you think it would come from? Sunrise --> LRBaggs Internal Preamp --> Line 6 DL4 (Where the interference is looped)=A0 Mebby the HI- Z Cable from preamp to Line 6 DL4? Thanks soo much for your OT input, really, the help on this list is really good! -Justin Fobes = --Apple-Mail-2--533621615-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 15 22:56:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8G2t8k29295; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 22:55:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 22:55:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F667B8D.9060300@iinet.net.au> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 10:55:09 +0800 From: omjn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I'm Still on the List References: <3A13CEA0-E7A1-11D7-9CCC-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> In-Reply-To: <3A13CEA0-E7A1-11D7-9CCC-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sarcastilaro strikes again, and with smashing form... : ) omjn msottilaro wrote: > Whew! That's a relief. Someone call the Times. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Monday, September 15, 2003, at 10:07 AM, David Durian wrote: > >> All, >> >> Don't worry--I'm still subscribed--just changed my email address. >> That's all. >> >> David Durian > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 15 23:34:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8G3W9009101; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 23:32:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 23:32:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT Re: Acoustic Pickups References: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed From: ernesto schnack MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 22:31:42 -0500 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2887 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 15:31:23 -0700, Mike Barrs wrote: > I haven't tried the Duncan Magmic, but I do have a Fishman Rare Earth > Blend > (magnetic soundhole pickup with a small condenser mic on a gooseneck). > It's > a stacked humbucker with an onboard preamp. The preamp really helps kill > any > hum... it's extremely quiet, even when recording near a computer monitor > or > other RF sources. > Really? I have the same pickup and I can't record with it because it picks up hum anywhere near a monitor. Do you plug it in direct, or do you have any outboard gear? Ernesto -- ernesto schnack http://www.stringboy.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 16 00:17:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8G4BJ618001; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 00:11:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 00:11:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [165.121.163.102] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] From: "samba *" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Acoustic Pickups Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 21:10:49 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2003 04:10:49.0843 (UTC) FILETIME=[83268C30:01C37C08] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Check out K&K-t a small outfit from Oregon,their pickups are generally less money for higher quality,compared with better known brands > >Correction... "along with various other options for using it along with an >undersaddle or soundboard PUTW transducer, in a mono or stereo setup" > >Sometimes I write too fast for my brain. > >Mike Barrs > _________________________________________________________________ Get 10MB of e-mail storage! Sign up for Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 16 00:58:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8G4v1e23690; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 00:57:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 00:57:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [165.121.163.102] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] From: "samba *" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Acoustic Pickups Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 21:56:54 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2003 04:56:55.0326 (UTC) FILETIME=[F381C3E0:01C37C0E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Could also be a ground loop, if audio gear is plugged into more than one power circuit. >It can still be the pickup. "Humbucking" doesn't equal "never picks up any >hum". In the past I've had problems with pre-amps and compressors, even >with hum-cancelling pickups. If your Baggs pickup is internal to your >guitar though, it'll obviously be difficult to bypass that, but that'd be >next step. You've got to be able isolate the pickup from the pre-amp to >test it, but if you're within a few feet of a neon sign transformer, there >may not be much you can do on your end without some equipment changes. > >TravisH > > >On Monday, September 15, 2003, at 10:28 AM, >Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > >> >>Hummm . . . >> >>What, or where do you think it would come from? >> >>Sunrise --> LRBaggs Internal Preamp --> Line 6 DL4 (Where the interference >>is looped)  >> >>Mebby the HI- Z Cable from preamp to Line 6 DL4? >> >>Thanks soo much for your OT input, really, the help on this list is really >>good! >> >>-Justin Fobes _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive larger attachments with Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 16 07:55:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8GBoK122497; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 07:50:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 07:50:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F66F7C6.BC96CE5A@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 04:45:09 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New Andre LaFosse CD NOW AVAILABLE... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...and not a minute too soon, for pete's sake... Ladies and gentlemen: NORMALIZED http://www.altruistmusic.com/cd/normalized.html Over 70 minutes of the most musically and technically sophisticated LoopIV Echoplex work I've ever been able to squeeze out of my own skull. You can stream a clip of nearly every song from the album at CD Baby: http://www.cdbaby.com/lafosse2 The album is currently available for sale at CD Baby, via the link above, or by phone at 1-800-BUY-MY-CD (cute, huh?) It's also available directly from Altruist Music (i.e. myself) online, via PayPal: http://www.altruistmusic.com/shop/paypal.html mp3 downloads of tracks from the album: http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/seismic.mp3 http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/interference.mp3 http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/offthegrid.mp3 http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/preacherman.mp3 http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/skin.mp3 http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/beast.mp3 It's 4:45 in the morning, so please insert my obligatory appeal for purchasing the album here: [...] All right then, --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 16 09:02:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8GCwjZ32109; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:58:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:58:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" , , Subject: Normalized Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:59:55 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-Seen: false X-ID: rPVwBkZYZeOwR4mrG9A-w8Rh6vHgnUVn6SkAnBWOvC1unGgDzxmck8@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre LaFosse continues his groundbreaking guitar work on his brand new second solo album, 'Normalized'. Like no other artist that I know of, he explores the far reaches of what can be done with an electric guitar and the new Echoplex software. The Echoplex is a truly 'deep' box - it's a wonderful and indispensable tool for live looping musicians, but beneath that seemingly simple looping functionality, there is an uncharted territory of more experimental musical possibilities many of which don't even have a name yet. Andre is one of the very few musicians who have gone there and came back with treasures ... he turns his axe into something he calls 'turntablist' guitar ... maybe one could also call his music 'pointillist' ... Burroughs's cut-up techniques come to mind, and I also had to think of Edward scissor hands ... remember that guy with scissor hands, creating incredible sculptures in seconds? Andre's sound sculptures are a bit like that, they suddenly evolve out of thin air, fragile cut-up loop fragments that one would expect to go haywire suddenly start to groove and rock and mutate in many surprising ways. I've spent some time with electric guitar and Echoplex myself, but still, Andre seems like a wizard to me and often enough, I have no idea how he does what he does. And then he's a wonderful guitarist of course - firmly rooted in rock'n roll but going way beyond that, with traditional Indian and Arabian music speaking in his phrasing and expressivity. So, if you need some avantgarde party music, or if you're looking for a truly adventurous and rewarding listening experience, buy this album, now, at http://www.altruistmusic.com/cd -------- Michael Peters From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 16 12:26:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8GGMSv29652; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:22:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:22:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030916162200.19267.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 09:22:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: alesis ineko To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <163.259e60cc.2c9667df@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <4wg5ND.A.NPH.EjzZ_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > i will second that.....mine has been a source of great fun and may i say, > inspiration.....the fuzz patch alone is worth the price.....there are a > multitude > of sounds in this little gem.....i find new sounds everytime i sit down with > it and all i'm sending thru it is my guitar..... I've been pretty impressed with mine too, although the "Fuzz" patch has thus far been one of my least favorites... I keep hearing an odd noise when I tweek the middle knob. It's like it injects noise into the audio signal corrupting what's there. Kind of cool sometimes, but I honestly believe there's something wrong with it. Does anyone else hear this with theirs? Should I be sending it back to get a replacment while I still can? > they take up no space > but im finding it hard to place it close enuf to tweek (and tweek it you > can!).....i've just been setting it on my leg as im playing (sitting > down).....not > the best but it works and when winter comes it will keep me toasty.....michael I've been thinking about making a little plate to fit on a mic stand to hold mine. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 16 12:34:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8GGXNY30736; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:33:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:33:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-AMAZON-TRACK: Message-ID: <3F673B4A.4010104@rosewoodblues.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 09:33:14 -0700 From: Ken Hawkins Organization: Rosewoodblues LTD. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030723 Thunderbird/0.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Andre LaFosse CD NOW AVAILABLE... References: <3F66F7C6.BC96CE5A@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <3F66F7C6.BC96CE5A@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah the sweet sound.... thanks andre, ken; Andre LaFosse wrote: >...and not a minute too soon, for pete's sake... > >Ladies and gentlemen: > >NORMALIZED > >http://www.altruistmusic.com/cd/normalized.html > >Over 70 minutes of the most musically and technically sophisticated >LoopIV Echoplex work I've ever been able to squeeze out of my own skull. > >You can stream a clip of nearly every song from the album at CD Baby: > >http://www.cdbaby.com/lafosse2 > >The album is currently available for sale at CD Baby, via the link >above, or by phone at 1-800-BUY-MY-CD (cute, huh?) > >It's also available directly from Altruist Music (i.e. myself) online, >via PayPal: > >http://www.altruistmusic.com/shop/paypal.html > >mp3 downloads of tracks from the album: > >http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/seismic.mp3 >http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/interference.mp3 > >http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/offthegrid.mp3 >http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/preacherman.mp3 >http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/skin.mp3 >http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/beast.mp3 > >It's 4:45 in the morning, so please insert my obligatory appeal for >purchasing the album here: > >[...] > >All right then, > >--Andre LaFosse >The Echoplex Analysis Pages: >http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 16 12:51:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8GGkUU32139; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:46:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:46:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <143.18aab25a.2c989860@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:46:24 EDT Subject: Re: alesis ineko To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_143.18aab25a.2c989860_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10689 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_143.18aab25a.2c989860_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/16/03 12:23:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ghunicycle@yahoo.com writes: > I keep hearing an odd noise when I tweek the middle knob. It's like it > injects > noise into the audio signal corrupting what's there greg.....is this on just the fuzz patch?.....michael --part1_143.18aab25a.2c989860_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 9/16/0= 3 12:23:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ghunicycle@yahoo.com writes:


I keep hearing an odd noise whe= n I tweek the middle knob. It's like it injects
noise into the audio signal corrupting what's there


greg.....is this on just the fuzz patch?.....michael --part1_143.18aab25a.2c989860_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 16 12:52:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8GGmnA32455; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:48:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:48:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 09:48:42 -0700 Subject: Re: alesis ineko Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--475623055 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 8b33c362 aee23e9e 95c4c99d 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <143.18aab25a.2c989860@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2--475623055 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed How is the reverb on that baby? Mark On Tuesday, September 16, 2003, at 09:46 AM, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/16/03 12:23:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > ghunicycle@yahoo.com writes: > > > I keep hearing an odd noise when I tweek the middle knob. It's like it > injects > noise into the audio signal corrupting what's there > > > > greg.....is this on just the fuzz patch?.....michael --Apple-Mail-2--475623055 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII How is the reverb on that baby? Mark On Tuesday, September 16, 2003, at 09:46 AM, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: ArialIn a message dated 9/16/03 12:23:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ghunicycle@yahoo.com writes: I keep hearing an odd noise when I tweek the middle knob. It's like it injects noise into the audio signal corrupting what's there greg.....is this on just the fuzz patch?.....michael --Apple-Mail-2--475623055-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 16 14:01:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8GHvH621702; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 13:57:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 13:57:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <9c.35401ffb.2c98a8c3@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 13:56:19 EDT Subject: Re: alesis ineko To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9c.35401ffb.2c98a8c3_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10689 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_9c.35401ffb.2c98a8c3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/16/03 12:49:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: > How is the reverb on that baby? > mark.....i don't care for the reverb, it has a very artificial sound to it, perhaps i've not dialed it in properly.....michael --part1_9c.35401ffb.2c98a8c3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 9/16/0= 3 12:49:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sine@zerocrossing.net writes:


How is the reverb on that baby?=


mark.....i don't care for the reverb, it has a very artificial sound to it,=20= perhaps i've not dialed it in properly.....michael --part1_9c.35401ffb.2c98a8c3_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 16 14:08:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8GI47n25709; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:04:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:04:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <5f.3ef2d6fe.2c98aa3a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:02:34 EDT Subject: Re: alesis ineko To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 9/16/03 10:58:17 AM, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: << i don't care for the reverb, it has a very artificial sound to it, perhaps i've not dialed it in properly >> I don't like it either, seems thin. BobC The Thumb Piano Project www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 16 14:09:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8GI4VU25881; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:04:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:04:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.202.106.75] X-Originating-Email: [gsteidinger@msn.com] From: "Greg Steidinger" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Was Re: Line6 loopers, now Acoustic Pickups. Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 18:04:24 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2003 18:04:25.0021 (UTC) FILETIME=[F6850ED0:01C37C7C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have two S.D. Mag Mic for both my acoustic guitars. I love these transducers, they are quiet and allow flexibility with the controls (mic mix + volume). They are very flexible and no noise and feedback (minimul). I run through a Yamaha AG stomp box which goes to line6 looper. I don't perform yet, but I'm havin fun. ;-) Greg >From: JustinFobes@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Was Re: Line6 loopers, now Acoustic Pickups. >Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 14:05:32 EDT > >In a message dated 9/9/03 1:01:13 PM Central Daylight Time, >goddard.duncan@mtvne.com writes: > > > the crap that comes out of tv's (and I'm speaking of the EM radiation, >not > > the content) gets everywhere and guitars can only avoid picking it up >when > > fitted with decent humbuckers. unfortunately, this rather limits what >you can > > do with the guitar.... > > one idea, though, and not a new one by any means, is to adopt the >alembic > > trick of using a dummy pickup to do the humbucking. this would have to >be > > carefully level matched with whatever combination of real pickups you >happen to be > > using. > > > > there is probably a market for something that automatically performs > > noise-cancellation in this manner, like these noise-cancelling >headphones that you > > can get. the shash that you're catching from the tv sets is pretty > > omnidirectional. > > > > but you could start by finding an old single-coil pickup, which you >could > > glue underneath the scratchplate somewhere. to be effective, it ought to >be in > > the same plane as the other pickups, and roughly the same impedance. >take out > > the polepieces and wire it through a pull-switch pot, so you can >fine-tune > > the phase and balance. > > > > alternatively, you could work on the proprietors to switch to plasma > > screens..... or set up in some sort of metal cage and run a ground wire. >you could > > have a sign on the front: "don't feed the looper- beer only". > > > > duncan. > > > >Thanks, unfortunately, my Lowden O-35 will not allow me more than one >pickup >at a time (She's a lil hi spirited . . .), I may just replace my Sunrise >with >a Seymour Duncan MicMag. Good reviews on H-C. Anyone experienced here? > >-Justin Fobes >http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Justin_Fobes/ _________________________________________________________________ Use custom emotions -- try MSN Messenger 6.0! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_emoticon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 16 15:09:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8GJ63A10354; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 15:06:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 15:06:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <001201c37c85$26737020$dc6afe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: Subject: Good trader: Andreas Willers Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 21:02:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C37C95.E909A2C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C37C95.E909A2C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I just wanted to let you know that list member Andreas Willers is a = first-class trader. I purchased a set of Loop III Rev. 5.0 EPROMs from = him which I had been looking for. Everything arrived promptly and = well-packed. Thanks thanks thanks 8). Stephen ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C37C95.E909A2C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I just wanted to let you know that list = member=20 Andreas Willers is a first-class trader. I purchased a set = of Loop III=20 Rev. 5.0 EPROMs from him which I had been looking for. Everything = arrived=20 promptly and well-packed. Thanks thanks thanks 8).
 
Stephen
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C37C95.E909A2C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 16 17:32:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8GLTSa23553; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:29:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:29:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F6783B5.D1E50048@erols.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:42:13 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Normalized References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael Peters wrote: > Andre LaFosse continues his groundbreaking guitar work on his brand new > second solo album, 'Normalized'. Like no other artist that I know of, he > explores the far reaches of what can be done with an electric guitar and the > new Echoplex software. The Echoplex is a truly 'deep' box - it's a wonderful > and indispensable tool for live looping musicians, but beneath that > seemingly simple looping functionality, there is an uncharted territory of > more experimental musical possibilities many of which don't even have a name > yet. > > Andre is one of the very few musicians who have gone there and came back > with treasures ... he turns his axe into something he calls 'turntablist' > guitar ... maybe one could also call his music 'pointillist' ... Burroughs's > cut-up techniques come to mind, and I also had to think of Edward scissor > hands ... remember that guy with scissor hands, creating incredible > sculptures in seconds? Andre's sound sculptures are a bit like that, they > suddenly evolve out of thin air, fragile cut-up loop fragments that one > would expect to go haywire suddenly start to groove and rock and mutate in > many surprising ways. I've spent some time with electric guitar and Echoplex > myself, but still, Andre seems like a wizard to me and often enough, I have > no idea how he does what he does. And then he's a wonderful guitarist of > course - firmly rooted in rock'n roll but going way beyond that, with > traditional Indian and Arabian music speaking in his phrasing and > expressivity. > > So, if you need some avantgarde party music, or if you're looking for a > truly adventurous and rewarding listening experience, buy this album, now, > at > > http://www.altruistmusic.com/cd > > -------- > Michael Peters Just ordered my copy from CD baby. I'm psyched. John, www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 16 21:38:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8H1ZGh24278; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 21:35:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 21:35:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: HarryEsq@aol.com Message-ID: <12e.31baa975.2c99144b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 21:35:07 EDT Subject: Re: Good trader: Andreas Willers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1063762506" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 920 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1063762506 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i thought we were in for some good market tips!! -------------------------------1063762506 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i thought we were in for some good market tips!! -------------------------------1063762506-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 16 23:22:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8H3LRv05842; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 23:21:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 23:21:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 23:21:25 -0400 Subject: Normalized doth rock... From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Got my copy of the CD today. I have to throw my hat into the ring and praise the hell outta Andre's work. This record is a benchmark and a great representation of what we do. Congratulations, andre, concise, tight, well-explained, and what a sound. I listened to it twice right off the bat, once to pick it apart and attempt to assess just HOW he does everything he does... And once just to listen. There's so much great material and great production value I can also just chill with it. The ballad is sweet. If I were a critic I'd have a lot more to say, but I'm not, so I don't. Better to just hear it. And thanks for all the teaser downloads over the last few weeks, andre... But it sounds so amazing on cd. Best to all, Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 17 03:43:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8H7f6u07020; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 03:41:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 03:41:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 03:40:58 EDT Subject: Re: New Andre LaFosse CD NOW AVAILABLE... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > The album is currently available for sale at CD Baby, via the link > above, or by phone at 1-800-BUY-MY-CD (cute, huh?) > > It's also available directly from Altruist Music (i.e. myself) online, > via PayPal: > > http://www.altruistmusic.com/shop/paypal.html > > mp3 downloads of tracks from the album: .......and the CD sounds a lot better than the mp3s ........treat yourself andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 17 11:05:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8HF1xJ23847; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:01:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:01:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030917150155.1428.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 08:01:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: alesis ineko To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <143.18aab25a.2c989860@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > ghunicycle@yahoo.com writes: > > I keep hearing an odd noise when I tweek the middle knob. It's like it > > injects noise into the audio signal corrupting what's there > > greg.....is this on just the fuzz patch?.....michael No, it's on all the patches. Particularly noticable on the delay ones, since the static sound of turning the knob gets injected into the delay. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 17 11:07:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8HF4tY24181; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:04:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:04:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030917150453.1055.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 08:04:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: alesis ineko To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- msottilaro wrote: > How is the reverb on that baby? I wasn't very impressed with it. It's usable, I suppose, if you're not too particular, but it sure wouldn't be my first pick for a reverb unit. The filters & modulation effects are cool though, and the fact that it does so many things in such an easy to use (and store) box makes it pretty useful. I was expecting a line-level only box, so I was pleasantly surprised to find it works ok with instrument level signals. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 17 11:08:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8HF5nI24360; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:05:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:05:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030917150547.12581.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 08:05:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: alesis ineko To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9c.35401ffb.2c98a8c3@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <8dhMaD.A.g8F.MhHa_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > sine@zerocrossing.net writes: > > How is the reverb on that baby? > mark.....i don't care for the reverb, it has a very artificial sound to it, > perhaps i've not dialed it in properly.....michael No, it's not just you. That reverb is pretty poor. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 17 11:42:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8HFeVc30159; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:40:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:40:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: alesis ineko Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:40:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C37D32.0473F190" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C37D32.0473F190 Content-Type: text/plain Keep in mind this is not a "reverb" unit. It's not a "delay" unit. It's basically a DJ effects unit at a supah-cheap price. IT's not "modeling" or "reproducing" anything in particular. It is simply supposed to allow you to mangle and process your signals. Besides, when everyone is bumping and grinding, hopped up on Ecstasy they don't care if the plate reverb setting doesn't sound "authentic". It definitely gets you in the ballpark! ;-) -DM >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Greg House [mailto:ghunicycle@yahoo.com] >>Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 11:05 AM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Re: alesis ineko >> >> >>--- msottilaro wrote: >>> How is the reverb on that baby? >> >>I wasn't very impressed with it. It's usable, I suppose, if >>you're not too particular, but it sure wouldn't be my first >>pick for a reverb unit. >> >>The filters & modulation effects are cool though, and the >>fact that it does so many things in such an easy to use (and >>store) box makes it pretty useful. I was expecting a >>line-level only box, so I was pleasantly surprised to find it >>works ok with instrument level signals. >> >>Greg >> >>__________________________________ >>Do you Yahoo!? >>Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design >>software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com >> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C37D32.0473F190 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: alesis ineko

Keep in mind this is not a "reverb" unit. = It's not a "delay" unit. It's basically a DJ effects unit at = a supah-cheap price.

IT's not "modeling" or = "reproducing" anything in particular. It is simply supposed = to allow you to mangle and process your signals. Besides, when everyone = is bumping and grinding, hopped up on Ecstasy they don't care if the = plate reverb setting doesn't sound "authentic".

It definitely gets you in the ballpark!

;-)

-DM

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Greg House [mailto:ghunicycle@yahoo.com] =
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 11:05 = AM
>>To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>Subject: Re: alesis ineko
>>
>>
>>--- msottilaro <sine@zerocrossing.net> = wrote:
>>> How is the reverb on that baby?
>>
>>I wasn't very impressed with it. It's = usable, I suppose, if
>>you're not too particular, but it sure = wouldn't be my first
>>pick for a reverb unit.
>>
>>The filters & modulation effects are = cool though, and the
>>fact that it does so many things in such an = easy to use (and
>>store) box makes it pretty useful. I was = expecting a
>>line-level only box, so I was pleasantly = surprised to find it
>>works ok with instrument level signals. =
>>
>>Greg
>>
>>__________________________________
>>Do you Yahoo!?
>>Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web = site design
>>software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
>>

------_=_NextPart_001_01C37D32.0473F190-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 17 16:38:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8HKZZw10163; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:35:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:35:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1e0.10140f25.2c9a1f6d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:34:53 EDT Subject: Re: alesis ineko To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e0.10140f25.2c9a1f6d_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10689 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1e0.10140f25.2c9a1f6d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/17/03 11:02:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ghunicycle@yahoo.com writes: > it's on all the patches sounds like its broken.....get a replacement while you can.....michael --part1_1e0.10140f25.2c9a1f6d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 9/17/0= 3 11:02:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ghunicycle@yahoo.com writes:


it's on all the patches

sounds like its broken.....get a replacement while you can.....michael --part1_1e0.10140f25.2c9a1f6d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 17 17:33:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8HLRWJ18024; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 17:27:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 17:27:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.14.93.11] X-Originating-Email: [armyofpie@hotmail.com] From: "Will Wright" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: alesis ineko Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 14:27:25 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Sep 2003 21:27:26.0049 (UTC) FILETIME=[7D642D10:01C37D62] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, mine does that too, I keep meaning to open it up and try cleaning the potentiometer, but that would be effort and I really use that knob the least :) >I keep hearing an odd noise when I tweek the middle knob. It's like it >injects >noise into the audio signal corrupting what's there. Kind of cool >sometimes, but >I honestly believe there's something wrong with it. Does anyone else hear >this >with theirs? Should I be sending it back to get a replacment while I still >can? _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive larger attachments with Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 18 11:22:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8IFIPK27825; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:18:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:18:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030918151022.79889.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 08:10:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: alesis ineko To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, it just sounds like a dirty pot to me. I haven't really looked at how hard it is to get it apart or clean. Greg --- Will Wright wrote: > > Yeah, mine does that too, I keep meaning to open it up and try cleaning the > potentiometer, but that would be effort and I really use that knob the least > :) > > >I keep hearing an odd noise when I tweek the middle knob. It's like it > >injects > >noise into the audio signal corrupting what's there. Kind of cool > >sometimes, but > >I honestly believe there's something wrong with it. Does anyone else hear > >this > >with theirs? Should I be sending it back to get a replacment while I still > >can? > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive larger attachments with Hotmail Extra Storage. > http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 18 17:40:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8ILT6T00780; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 17:29:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 17:29:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 17:28:45 -0400 To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" From: Tom Ritchford Subject: 9/19: Chama benefit tomorrow Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <8DSeTC.A.CM.iOia_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [Chama is one of the last truly alternative places in the East Village and they're struggling to survive. They've been a kindly host to many New York area loopers -- you know who you are! I'm MCing this event which promises to be extremely memorable -- please come on out. /t] Stv Jns wrote: "Quintessentially East Village!" --- Phil Hartman FRIDAY SEPT 19: !! CHAMA BENEFIT !! To be held at the historic UMBRELLA HOUSE, around the corner from Chama Teahouse, at 21 Avenue C, between 2nd & 3rd streets. FRIDAY September 19th 8pm - 12 Admission sliding scale= $5 - $100 Awareness, expansion, connection, and MORE! INDIAN RAGAS, BIG DRUMMING, MUSIC ELECTRONICS, COMEDY, ART INSTALLATION, PAINTINGS, INTERACTIVE SCULPTURE, ANIMATED BRAIN, SPINNING CROP CIRCLES, ALIEN ABDUCTION MEMORIES, BEER, WINE, T-SHIRTS, RAFFLE, AUCTION! 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 19 02:09:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8J646G31068; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 02:04:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 02:04:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: Test Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 23:04:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcN+c9TX+YlX7/1xQA+4PlflRJDUHg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: <8K_WyC.A.WlH.Wxpa_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com test From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 19 07:32:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8JBTI412453; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 07:29:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 07:29:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c37ea1$412983a0$0207a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Test Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 12:29:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 7:04 AM Subject: Test > test Nope. Can't see a thing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 19 15:23:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8JJJnF02962; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 15:19:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 15:19:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Confessions of a Guerilla Looper Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 12:19:41 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all-- Slow on the list, thought I'd share what's new-- Played a job yesterday for the LA Public Library, Grandparents and Kids luncheon (no kids in evidence) doing a patriotic one man band show (schlock and schick, but sincerely presented) and in the course of two hours managed to include my looped version of Wildwood Flower, as well as a couple of others. They probably liked that better than my presentation of Heart of Rock and Roll (what was I thinking?) or my butchering of The Stars and Stripes Forever (note to self--next time practice BEFORE the gig). Also, I did some guerila looping at the Oak Creek Market in Sedona, Arizona on Monday. We were in town after catching list members Bill Fox and Greg Waltzer performing at Arcosanti (!) in the Prescott area of Arizona and visiting the Grand Canyon. I snuck out of the motel room--had my stuff with me because I have a steady now downtown at the Hyatt 3-7 pm poolside (come say hi and maybe I'll loop by the pool) every Friday and we left right after the gig. Anyway, the hourlong impromptu performance must have gone well, as they did not ask me to stop or for that matter who was paying me (avoid eye contact). I did chat with some folks from Ohio, there doing shopping (what else is there?) and sightseeing (oh yeah). Gotta go, here comes Candy, Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 19 16:11:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8JK5AL11927; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:05:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:05:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:03:38 -0700 Subject: Re: Confessions of a Guerilla Looper From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com goodonye gary-which hyatt is that? s > Hi all-- > Slow on the list, thought I'd share what's new-- > Played a job yesterday for the LA Public Library, Grandparents and Kids > luncheon (no kids in evidence) doing a patriotic one man band show (schlock > and schick, but sincerely presented) and in the course of two hours managed > to include my looped version of Wildwood Flower, as well as a couple of > others. They probably liked that better than my presentation of Heart of > Rock and Roll (what was I thinking?) or my butchering of The Stars and > Stripes Forever (note to self--next time practice BEFORE the gig). > Also, I did some guerila looping at the Oak Creek Market in Sedona, Arizona > on Monday. We were in town after catching list members Bill Fox and Greg > Waltzer performing at Arcosanti (!) in the Prescott area of Arizona and > visiting the Grand Canyon. I snuck out of the motel room--had my stuff with > me because I have a steady now downtown at the Hyatt 3-7 pm poolside (come > say hi and maybe I'll loop by the pool) every Friday and we left right after > the gig. Anyway, the hourlong impromptu performance must have gone well, as > they did not ask me to stop or for that matter who was paying me (avoid eye > contact). I did chat with some folks from Ohio, there doing shopping (what > else is there?) and sightseeing (oh yeah). > Gotta go, here comes Candy, > Gary > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 19 16:57:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8JKrmu19674; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:53:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:53:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <167.25bd314b.2c9cc6ca@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:53:30 EDT Subject: Re: Test To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_167.25bd314b.2c9cc6ca_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_167.25bd314b.2c9cc6ca_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit test --part1_167.25bd314b.2c9cc6ca_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable test --part1_167.25bd314b.2c9cc6ca_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 19 17:08:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8JL2K322443; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 17:02:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 17:02:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.80.72 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Test Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 17:02:17 -0400 Message-ID: <000501c37ef1$4f381740$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <167.25bd314b.2c9cc6ca@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What were you wondering why it's so quiet here? -----Original Message----- From: Fsksync@aol.com [mailto:Fsksync@aol.com] Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 4:54 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Test test From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 19 17:29:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8JLNj226113; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 17:23:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 17:23:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: Test Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:23:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcN+8WyOaNWw54uyTLWMJm/S+DrWLQAAtibA In-Reply-To: <000501c37ef1$4f381740$0200a8c0@akadev.com> Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think he was responding to my test. I was just testing my mail filter. :::-----Original Message----- :::From: Alan Kroeger [mailto:nospam@developsolutions.com] :::Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 2:02 PM :::To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com :::Subject: RE: Test ::: :::What were you wondering why it's so quiet here? ::: :::-----Original Message----- :::From: Fsksync@aol.com [mailto:Fsksync@aol.com] :::Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 4:54 PM :::To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com :::Subject: Re: Test ::: ::: :::test ::: ::: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 19 17:34:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8JLTDO27180; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 17:29:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 17:29:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F6B74D9.8000900@bagend.com> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:27:53 -0500 From: Henry Heine User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rackmount 1-space stereo line mixers? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sure. As long as you don't need a mic in with phantom power and a headphone amp. Henry Matthew Wiley wrote: > henry, > > then Rane SM-82 is the best single space line mixer. period. > > -matt > >> From: Henry Heine >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Rackmount 1-space stereo line mixers? >> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:19:54 -0500 >> >> Check out the Rolls RM203x >> >> http://www.rolls.com/rollsproducts/ >> >> Mike Barrs wrote: >> >>> Right now I'm using my Repeater as an inline, downstream effect after my >>> Roland VG-88 guitar processor. For various reasons (including the >>> latency >>> issue which has been mentioned here), I'd like to try moving the >>> Repeater >>> off into a side-chain (parallel) FX signal, instead of running it >>> inline. >>> >>> The easy and cheap solution would be a compact horizontal-format >>> mixer with >>> two AUX sends per channel (Behringer, Mackie, etc.) But I'm trying to >>> keep >>> my rig as compact as possible, and I would prefer doing this with a >>> 1-space >>> rackmount stereo line mixer. >>> >>> One complication here is that I would like a headphone output in the >>> mixer, >>> since I've been using the Repeater's headphone jack to monitor practice >>> sessions. If I move it off to a parallel FX loop and run it in dry mute >>> mode, I won't hear the VG-88 live sound in the headphones. >>> >>> I haven't found many candidates so far. Most of the 1u rackmount line >>> mixers >>> don't even have FX sends, and the few that do are usually mono sends and >>> returns. And very few rackmount line mixers include a headphone jack. >>> Here >>> are the options I've found so far in stereo 1u rack line mixers that >>> might >>> work: >>> >>> Rane SM82 -- full stereo FX loop, but no headphone jack (I'd have to >>> add a >>> headphone amp). >>> >>> Ashly LX308B -- no FX loop, but it has a headphone jack. >>> >>> Whirlwind Mix 6 -- no FX loop, but it has a headphone jack. >>> >>> I could use a pair of line splitters ahead of the Ashley or Whirlwind >>> mixers >>> to get around the FX loop problem... split the VG-88 stereo signal, >>> send one >>> stereo pair to the mixer, the other stereo pair to the Repeater, and >>> bring >>> the Repeater's output back into the mixer. >>> >>> Is there anything else that might work? All these 1u rackmount stereo >>> mixers >>> are pretty expensive ($400-$600) compared to the compact >>> Behringer/Mackie >>> horizontal format mixers that would do the same job. I thought I'd >>> ask here >>> first if there were other options I haven't found. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> ______________________ >>> Mike Barrs >> >> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Try MSN Messenger 6.0 with integrated webcam functionality! > http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_webcam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 19 17:47:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8JLgZB29610; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 17:42:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 17:42:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 17:43:26 -0400 Subject: Re: .little a. -- Free MP3's & New CD & Boston Phoenix Article From: Dan Soltzberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <016501c378a7$15d29660$0affff0a@hppav> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3146838206_1285614_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3146838206_1285614_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Nice to see you getting a bit of ink. Congrats! Dan --=20 ghost 7/ Oranje http://envelopeproductions.com on 9/11/03 4:55 PM, David at vze2ncsr@verizon.net wrote: Hello - =20 Just a little note to say that the little rock-band-that-could -- .little a= . -- is featured in a little article in this week's Boston Phoenix. Ted Drodowski has written a nice little piece about the band and our newly released CD - StarsFade. =20 How ironic that the .little a. webpage -- www.littleamusic.com -- is currently DOWN because of some unknown technical difficulties. =20 .little a. Phoenix article: http://www.bostonphoenix.com/boston/music/cellars/documents/03146768.asp =20 Download Free MP3's: http://www.bostonphoenix.com/Bost_mp3/artist.asp?id=3D273 =20 Buy CD: $5 StarsFade http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/littlea =20 Other News 1:=20 =20 Bruce has a show next week! The Kendall Caf=E9 Thursday, Sept 18th 9:00 pm 233 Cardinal Medeiros Way, Kendall Square, Cambridge, MA http://www.brucegrover.com/ =20 Other News 2: =20 David's other two projects -- Super-Cannes & UNDO -- as well as .little a. this month all receive positive reviews in local 'zine The Noise. http://www.thenoise-boston.com/cd_reviews/234.asp Does three reviews in one issue of The Noise constitute a record of some kind? =20 To learn more about Super-Cannes & UNDO, please reply to this e-mail. =20 You can request .little a., Bruce Grover, Super-Cannes and UNDO from all your favorite radio stations! Thanks for supporting local music, and the people who make it! =20 David Kirkdorffer --MS_Mac_OE_3146838206_1285614_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: .little a. -- Free MP3's  &  New CD  & &n= bsp;Boston Phoenix Article Nice to see you getting a bit of ink.

Congrats!

Dan


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on 9/11/03 4:55 PM, David at vze2ncsr@verizon.net wrote:

Hello -
Just a little note to say that the little= rock-band-that-could -- .little a. -- is featured in a little article in th= is week's Boston Phoenix.
Ted Drodowski has written a nice little piece about the band and our newly = released CD - StarsFade.
How ironic that the .little a. webpage --= www.littleamusic.com <http://www.littleamusic.com>  -- is curren= tly DOWN because of some unknown technical difficulties.

.little a. Phoenix article:=
http://www.bostonphoenix.com/boston/music/cellars/documents/03146768.asp
Download Free MP3's:
http://www.bostonphoenix.com/Bost_mp3/artist.asp?id=3D273
Buy CD: $5 <= B>StarsFade
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/littlea


Other News 1:

Bruce has a show next week!        The Kendall Caf=E9
       Thursday, Sept 18th  9:00 p= m
       233 Cardinal Medeiros Way,
       Kendall Square, Cambridge, MA        http://www.brucegrover.com/
Other News 2:
David's other two projects -- = Super-Cannes & UNDO -- as well as .little a. this month all receive posi= tive reviews in local 'zine The Noise.    
http://www.thenoise-boston.com/cd_reviews/234.asp   Does thre= e reviews in one issue of The Noise constitute a record of some kind?
To learn more about Super-Cannes & UN= DO, please reply to this e-mail.
You can request .little a., Bruce Grov= er, Super-Cannes and UNDO from all your favorite radio stations!  
Thanks for supporting local music, and the people who make it!
David Kirkdorffer


--MS_Mac_OE_3146838206_1285614_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 19 18:07:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8JM0LC02157; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 18:00:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 18:00:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 18:01:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Rackmount 1-space stereo line mixers? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: wavelet To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3F6B74D9.8000900@bagend.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been using a Ashly single space 8 channel, and it is a very versatile mixer but it lacks sends/returns. It is basically a broadcast mixer but it has great fidelity and stereo/mono capability. MX308 is the model, but it may have been replaced. It isn't in my rack at the moment because it is on loan but I've had noting but positive experiences with it. My other rack mixer is an Alesis 12r but it is 3 spaces, not one. Pete On Friday, Sep 19, 2003, at 17:27 US/Eastern, Henry Heine wrote: > Sure. As long as you don't need a mic in with phantom power and a > headphone amp. > > Henry > > Matthew Wiley wrote: >> henry, >> then Rane SM-82 is the best single space line mixer. period. >> -matt >>> From: Henry Heine >>> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Subject: Re: Rackmount 1-space stereo line mixers? >>> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:19:54 -0500 >>> >>> Check out the Rolls RM203x >>> >>> http://www.rolls.com/rollsproducts/ >>> >>> Mike Barrs wrote: >>> >>>> Right now I'm using my Repeater as an inline, downstream effect >>>> after my >>>> Roland VG-88 guitar processor. For various reasons (including the >>>> latency >>>> issue which has been mentioned here), I'd like to try moving the >>>> Repeater >>>> off into a side-chain (parallel) FX signal, instead of running it >>>> inline. >>>> >>>> The easy and cheap solution would be a compact horizontal-format >>>> mixer with >>>> two AUX sends per channel (Behringer, Mackie, etc.) But I'm trying >>>> to keep >>>> my rig as compact as possible, and I would prefer doing this with a >>>> 1-space >>>> rackmount stereo line mixer. >>>> >>>> One complication here is that I would like a headphone output in >>>> the mixer, >>>> since I've been using the Repeater's headphone jack to monitor >>>> practice >>>> sessions. If I move it off to a parallel FX loop and run it in dry >>>> mute >>>> mode, I won't hear the VG-88 live sound in the headphones. >>>> >>>> I haven't found many candidates so far. Most of the 1u rackmount >>>> line mixers >>>> don't even have FX sends, and the few that do are usually mono >>>> sends and >>>> returns. And very few rackmount line mixers include a headphone >>>> jack. Here >>>> are the options I've found so far in stereo 1u rack line mixers >>>> that might >>>> work: >>>> >>>> Rane SM82 -- full stereo FX loop, but no headphone jack (I'd have >>>> to add a >>>> headphone amp). >>>> >>>> Ashly LX308B -- no FX loop, but it has a headphone jack. >>>> >>>> Whirlwind Mix 6 -- no FX loop, but it has a headphone jack. >>>> >>>> I could use a pair of line splitters ahead of the Ashley or >>>> Whirlwind mixers >>>> to get around the FX loop problem... split the VG-88 stereo signal, >>>> send one >>>> stereo pair to the mixer, the other stereo pair to the Repeater, >>>> and bring >>>> the Repeater's output back into the mixer. >>>> >>>> Is there anything else that might work? All these 1u rackmount >>>> stereo mixers >>>> are pretty expensive ($400-$600) compared to the compact >>>> Behringer/Mackie >>>> horizontal format mixers that would do the same job. I thought I'd >>>> ask here >>>> first if there were other options I haven't found. >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> ______________________ >>>> Mike Barrs >>> >>> >>> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Try MSN Messenger 6.0 with integrated webcam functionality! >> http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_webcam > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 19 18:21:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8JMIO305034; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 18:18:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 18:18:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <037f01c37efb$e6424660$82d8a344@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: Re: .little a. -- Free MP3's & New CD & Boston Phoenix Article Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 18:18:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_037C_01C37EDA.5EA137A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop018.verizon.net from [68.163.216.130] at Fri, 19 Sep 2003 17:18:17 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_037C_01C37EDA.5EA137A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: .little a. -- Free MP3's & New CD & Boston Phoenix = Articlecheers. thanks for the kind words ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dan Soltzberg=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 5:43 PM Subject: Re: .little a. -- Free MP3's & New CD & Boston Phoenix = Article Nice to see you getting a bit of ink. Congrats! Dan --=20 ghost 7/ Oranje http://envelopeproductions.com on 9/11/03 4:55 PM, David at vze2ncsr@verizon.net wrote: Hello - Just a little note to say that the little rock-band-that-could -- = .little a. -- is featured in a little article in this week's Boston = Phoenix. Ted Drodowski has written a nice little piece about the band and our = newly released CD - StarsFade. How ironic that the .little a. webpage -- www.littleamusic.com = -- is currently DOWN because of some = unknown technical difficulties.=20 .little a. Phoenix article: = http://www.bostonphoenix.com/boston/music/cellars/documents/03146768.asp Download Free MP3's:=20 http://www.bostonphoenix.com/Bost_mp3/artist.asp?id=3D273 Buy CD: $5 StarsFade=20 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/littlea Other News 1:=20 Bruce has a show next week! The Kendall Caf=E9=20 Thursday, Sept 18th 9:00 pm 233 Cardinal Medeiros Way, Kendall Square, Cambridge, MA http://www.brucegrover.com/ Other News 2: David's other two projects -- Super-Cannes & UNDO -- as well as = .little a. this month all receive positive reviews in local 'zine The = Noise. =20 http://www.thenoise-boston.com/cd_reviews/234.asp Does three = reviews in one issue of The Noise constitute a record of some kind? To learn more about Super-Cannes & UNDO, please reply to this = e-mail. You can request .little a., Bruce Grover, Super-Cannes and UNDO from = all your favorite radio stations! =20 Thanks for supporting local music, and the people who make it! David Kirkdorffer ------=_NextPart_000_037C_01C37EDA.5EA137A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: .little a. -- Free MP3's =A0& =A0New CD =A0& = =A0Boston Phoenix Article
cheers.  thanks for the kind=20 words
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dan = Soltzberg
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, September 19, = 2003 5:43=20 PM
Subject: Re: .little a. -- Free = MP3's=20 & New CD & Boston Phoenix Article

Nice to see you getting a bit of=20 ink.

Congrats!

Dan


--
ghost 7/ Oranje
http://envelopeproductions.com




on=20 9/11/03 4:55 PM, David at vze2ncsr@verizon.net = wrote:

Hello = -

Just a little note to say that the = little=20 rock-band-that-could -- .little a. -- is featured in a little = article in=20 this week's Boston Phoenix.
Ted Drodowski has written a nice = little piece=20 about the band and our newly released CD -=20 StarsFade.

How=20 ironic that the .little a. webpage -- www.littleamusic.com=20 <http://www.littleamusic.com>  -- is currently DOWN = because of=20 some unknown technical difficulties.

.little a. Phoenix=20 = article:
http://www.bostonphoenix.com/boston/music/cellars/documen= ts/03146768.asp

Download=20 Free = MP3's:=20 =
http://www.bostonphoenix.com/Bost_mp3/artist.asp?id=3D273
<= /FONT>
Buy CD: $5 StarsFade=20 =
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/littlea



Other News 1: =

Bruce=20 has a = show next=20 week!
       The Kendall = Caf=E9=20
       Thursday, Sept 18th =  9:00=20 pm
       233 Cardinal = Medeiros=20 Way,
       Kendall Square, = Cambridge,=20 = MA
       http://www.brucegrover.co= m/

Other News = 2:

David's other two projects -- Super-Cannes & UNDO -- as = well as=20 .little a. this month all receive positive reviews in local 'zine = The Noise.=20 =    
http://www.thenoise-boston.com/cd_reviews/234.asp=20   Does three reviews in one issue of The Noise constitute = a record=20 of some kind?

To learn=20 more about Super-Cannes & UNDO, please reply to this=20 e-mail.

You can=20 request .little a., Bruce Grover, Super-Cannes and UNDO from all = your=20 favorite radio stations!  
Thanks for supporting local = music,=20 and the people who make it!

David=20 Kirkdorffer


------=_NextPart_000_037C_01C37EDA.5EA137A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 19 19:13:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8JN77e13681; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 19:07:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 19:07:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Roland VP-9000 VariPhrase Processor Message-ID: <1064012345.3f6b8a39366a1@www.correo.unam.mx> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 17:59:05 -0500 (CDT) From: smaug@servidor.unam.mx MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.8 X-Originating-IP: 212.195.243.241 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com has anyone tried this unit as a real time loop-effects proccesor? any opinion in general? Somebody offered me one of this machines in trade for some other stuff and I think Maybe it could be cool to feed it with repeater loops and then distort and change them... sort of a poor's man Orville ;-) any opinions welcomed. Andy in Paris ------------------------------------------------- Obtén tu correo en www.correo.unam.mx UNAMonos Comunicándonos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 19 20:11:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8K08Eq24457; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 20:08:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 20:08:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030919185230.06044140@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 19:05:41 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: Rackmount 1-space stereo line mixers? In-Reply-To: References: <3F6B74D9.8000900@bagend.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com FWIW, I've given a rundown on the Simmons 1U mixer before (check the archives). I've got four of these and they work great. And they seem to be going for a *lot* less than I paid for mine... :P There's a (super)cheap one on Ebay right now: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2558937753&category=23785 -c- At 06:01 PM 9/19/2003 -0400, wavelet wrote: >I've been using a Ashly single space 8 channel, and it is a very >versatile mixer but it lacks sends/returns. It is basically >a broadcast mixer but it has great fidelity and stereo/mono >capability. MX308 is the model, but it may have been replaced. >It isn't in my rack at the moment because it is on loan but >I've had noting but positive experiences with it. > >My other rack mixer is an Alesis 12r but it is 3 spaces, not one. > >Pete > >On Friday, Sep 19, 2003, at 17:27 US/Eastern, Henry Heine wrote: > >>Sure. As long as you don't need a mic in with phantom power and a >>headphone amp. >> >>Henry >> >>Matthew Wiley wrote: >>>henry, >>>then Rane SM-82 is the best single space line mixer. period. >>>-matt >>>>From: Henry Heine >>>>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>>Subject: Re: Rackmount 1-space stereo line mixers? >>>>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:19:54 -0500 >>>> >>>>Check out the Rolls RM203x >>>> >>>>http://www.rolls.com/rollsproducts/ >>>> >>>>Mike Barrs wrote: >>>> >>>>>Right now I'm using my Repeater as an inline, downstream effect after my >>>>>Roland VG-88 guitar processor. For various reasons (including the latency >>>>>issue which has been mentioned here), I'd like to try moving the Repeater >>>>>off into a side-chain (parallel) FX signal, instead of running it inline. >>>>> >>>>>The easy and cheap solution would be a compact horizontal-format mixer >>>>>with >>>>>two AUX sends per channel (Behringer, Mackie, etc.) But I'm trying to keep >>>>>my rig as compact as possible, and I would prefer doing this with a >>>>>1-space >>>>>rackmount stereo line mixer. >>>>> >>>>>One complication here is that I would like a headphone output in the >>>>>mixer, >>>>>since I've been using the Repeater's headphone jack to monitor practice >>>>>sessions. If I move it off to a parallel FX loop and run it in dry mute >>>>>mode, I won't hear the VG-88 live sound in the headphones. >>>>> >>>>>I haven't found many candidates so far. Most of the 1u rackmount line >>>>>mixers >>>>>don't even have FX sends, and the few that do are usually mono sends and >>>>>returns. And very few rackmount line mixers include a headphone jack. Here >>>>>are the options I've found so far in stereo 1u rack line mixers that might >>>>>work: >>>>> >>>>>Rane SM82 -- full stereo FX loop, but no headphone jack (I'd have to add a >>>>>headphone amp). >>>>> >>>>>Ashly LX308B -- no FX loop, but it has a headphone jack. >>>>> >>>>>Whirlwind Mix 6 -- no FX loop, but it has a headphone jack. >>>>> >>>>>I could use a pair of line splitters ahead of the Ashley or Whirlwind >>>>>mixers >>>>>to get around the FX loop problem... split the VG-88 stereo signal, >>>>>send one >>>>>stereo pair to the mixer, the other stereo pair to the Repeater, and bring >>>>>the Repeater's output back into the mixer. >>>>> >>>>>Is there anything else that might work? All these 1u rackmount stereo >>>>>mixers >>>>>are pretty expensive ($400-$600) compared to the compact Behringer/Mackie >>>>>horizontal format mixers that would do the same job. I thought I'd ask >>>>>here >>>>>first if there were other options I haven't found. >>>>> >>>>>Thanks! >>>>> >>>>> ______________________ >>>>> Mike Barrs >>>> >>>> >>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>Try MSN Messenger 6.0 with integrated webcam functionality! >>>http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_webcam >> >> > -- Duke Sexton Field Services Region Manager - Western Region F5 Networks 773.338.2379 (w) 773.580.7439 (c) d.sexton@f5.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 19 20:16:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8K0BWD24924; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 20:11:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 20:11:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 17:11:25 -0700 Subject: Re: Roland VP-9000 VariPhrase Processor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: c208b30b aee23e9e 3fcd0116 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1064012345.3f6b8a39366a1@www.correo.unam.mx> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h8K0BVU24899 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's pretty much nothing like a real time effects loop processor. However, it's a pretty cool device. It's my only sampler and I really like it. Check out the on line demos at Roland and you'll get a good idea of what it does. Everything has to be sampled and processed into the Variphrase format which takes some time. Mark Sottilaro On Friday, September 19, 2003, at 03:59 PM, smaug@servidor.unam.mx wrote: > > > has anyone tried this unit as a real time loop-effects proccesor? any > opinion > in general? Somebody offered me one of this machines in trade for some > other > stuff and I think Maybe it could be cool to feed it with repeater > loops and then > distort and change them... sort of a poor's man Orville ;-) > > any opinions welcomed. > > > Andy in Paris > > ------------------------------------------------- > Obtén tu correo en www.correo.unam.mx > UNAMonos Comunicándonos > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 19 22:14:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8K2B8D15228; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 22:11:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 22:11:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Mike Barrs" To: Subject: RE: Rackmount 1-space stereo line mixers? Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 19:10:47 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Loop-Detect: 1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: wavelet [mailto:wavelet@petebrunelli.com] > > I've been using a Ashly single space 8 channel, and it is a very > versatile mixer but it lacks sends/returns. It is basically > a broadcast mixer but it has great fidelity and stereo/mono > capability. MX308 is the model, but it may have been replaced. > It isn't in my rack at the moment because it is on loan but > I've had noting but positive experiences with it. I think the current model is the Ashly LX 308B, 8 stereo pairs, but the main thing is it has a headphone jack with a separate level control. That's the one I'm still leaning towards, since I need the ability to kill the main outputs and listen to just headphones when I practice. I need the headphone jack more than I need the full stereo FX loop feature I was looking for. It seems to be impossible to get both those features in the same 1u line mixer. Thanks again to everyone for the feedback! Mike Barrs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 20 01:26:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8K5LCn14599; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 01:21:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 01:21:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Not Really Gig Spam--San Diego, Ca Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 22:21:07 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Stan and all-- Downtown San Diego, next to the Convention Center--a great poolside steel drum gig from 3-7 pm on Fridays that might end next week--darn . . . Hey Stan, are you playing in Santa Cruz next month? What day? Gary >goodonye gary-which hyatt is that? s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 20 03:31:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8K7Rpe04517; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 03:27:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 03:27:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <18.3557b0e3.2c9d5b6d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 03:27:41 EDT Subject: Re: Test To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_18.3557b0e3.2c9d5b6d_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_18.3557b0e3.2c9d5b6d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was trying to start a "test" loop, but the feedback wasn't set high enough... Tim In a message dated 9/19/03 2:24:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time, squidloop@thetentacle.org writes: > I think he was responding to my test. I was just testing my mail filter. > > :::-----Original Message----- > :::From: Alan Kroeger [mailto:nospam@developsolutions.com] > :::Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 2:02 PM > :::To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > :::Subject: RE: Test > ::: > :::What were you wondering why it's so quiet here? > ::: > :::-----Original Message----- > :::From: Fsksync@aol.com [mailto:Fsksync@aol.com] > :::Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 4:54 PM > :::To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > :::Subject: Re: Test > ::: > ::: > :::test > ::: > ::: > > > > --part1_18.3557b0e3.2c9d5b6d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was trying to start a "test" loop, but the feedback=20= wasn't set high enough...

Tim


In a message dated 9/19/03 2:24:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time, squidloop@thete= ntacle.org writes:

I think he was responding to my= test. I was just testing my mail filter.

:::-----Original Message-----
:::From: Alan Kroeger [mailto:nospam@developsolutions.com]
:::Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 2:02 PM
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:::Subject: RE: Test
:::
:::What were you wondering why it's so quiet here?
:::
:::-----Original Message-----
:::From: Fsksync@aol.com [mailto:Fsksync@aol.com]
:::Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 4:54 PM
:::To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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 --part1_18.3557b0e3.2c9d5b6d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 20 03:52:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8K7l1p07582; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 03:47:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 03:47:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 00:45:25 -0700 Subject: Re: Not Really Gig Spam--San Diego, Ca From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hi Stan and all-- > Downtown San Diego, next to the Convention Center--a great poolside steel > drum gig from 3-7 pm on Fridays that might end next week--darn . . . > Hey Stan, are you playing in Santa Cruz next month? What day? > Gary thanx-i work fer hyatthotels i'm hopin i'm playin and thinkin that rickwalker(man among men) is findin a spot for me an my surfloopthang :-) s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 20 09:50:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8KDmUs02496; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 09:48:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 09:48:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.80.72 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Test Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 09:48:27 -0400 Message-ID: <001301c37f7d$ded20050$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C37F5C.57C06050" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <18.3557b0e3.2c9d5b6d@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C37F5C.57C06050 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit :) -----Original Message----- From: Fsksync@aol.com [mailto:Fsksync@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 3:28 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Test I was trying to start a "test" loop, but the feedback wasn't set high enough... Tim In a message dated 9/19/03 2:24:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time, squidloop@thetentacle.org writes: I think he was responding to my test. I was just testing my mail filter. :::-----Original Message----- :::From: Alan Kroeger [mailto:nospam@developsolutions.com] :::Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 2:02 PM :::To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com :::Subject: RE: Test ::: :::What were you wondering why it's so quiet here? ::: :::-----Original Message----- :::From: Fsksync@aol.com [mailto:Fsksync@aol.com] :::Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 4:54 PM :::To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com :::Subject: Re: Test ::: ::: :::test ::: ::: ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C37F5C.57C06050 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
:)
-----Original Message-----
From: = Fsksync@aol.com=20 [mailto:Fsksync@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 = 3:28=20 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 Test

I was trying to start a "test" loop, but = the=20 feedback wasn't set high enough...

Tim


In a message = dated=20 9/19/03 2:24:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time, squidloop@thetentacle.org=20 writes:

I think he was responding to my test. I was just testing = my mail=20 filter.

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:::From: Alan = Kroeger=20 [mailto:nospam@developsolutions.com]
:::Sent: Friday, September = 19, 2003=20 2:02 PM
:::To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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:::What were you wondering why it's so quiet=20 here?
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:::Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 4:54 = PM
:::To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
:::Subject: Re:=20 = Test
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 ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C37F5C.57C06050-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 20 13:49:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8KHjMV07418; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 13:45:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 13:45:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 10:45:19 -0700 Subject: Re: Rackmount 1-space stereo line mixers? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <33D65E74-EB92-11D7-A8CD-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got the LM 308 and it's great. Would be nice if it had an effects loop, but 8 stereo channels take up a lot of jack space. I couldn't imagine having many more. Mark On Friday, September 19, 2003, at 07:10 PM, Mike Barrs wrote: >> From: wavelet [mailto:wavelet@petebrunelli.com] >> >> I've been using a Ashly single space 8 channel, and it is a very >> versatile mixer but it lacks sends/returns. It is basically >> a broadcast mixer but it has great fidelity and stereo/mono >> capability. MX308 is the model, but it may have been replaced. >> It isn't in my rack at the moment because it is on loan but >> I've had noting but positive experiences with it. > > I think the current model is the Ashly LX 308B, 8 stereo pairs, but > the main > thing is it has a headphone jack with a separate level control. That's > the > one I'm still leaning towards, since I need the ability to kill the > main > outputs and listen to just headphones when I practice. I need the > headphone > jack more than I need the full stereo FX loop feature I was looking > for. It > seems to be impossible to get both those features in the same 1u line > mixer. > > Thanks again to everyone for the feedback! > > Mike Barrs > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 20 14:19:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8KI0vs11905; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 14:00:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 14:00:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c37fa1$391d7580$fbb61345@MyComputer> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <33D65E74-EB92-11D7-A8CD-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Rackmount 1-space stereo line mixers? Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 11:01:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com FWIW: Digital Music Corp / Voodo Labs - System Mix Plus, (I think that's what it's called), has a few extra bells and whistles like the Cabinet Simulator, but it has a pretty open configuration which allows some different, creative approaches to getting your signals around. It's not quite the usual pile of inputs to a stereo buss output. Check their website for more info. (Haven't owned one yet, but find it's config attractive, and I've heard great reviews from users about it's fidelity and usefulness.) I've have used the Rane SM-26b for many applications, but it can't handle many inputs. It has a stereo buss, and up to 3 sends > mono returns. It can also be configured to have a single send-return as well as a stereo send-stereo return as well. But once again, it's not quite like other mixers and your mileage may vary depending on your uses. Two SM-26's though and you've got tons of options. Miko Biffle | biffoz@arczip.com "Do you really want to know how it all works out?" Fresh new ICS Xray Lodge | http://www.powerhat.com/ics/sounds.html Now playing: "Rough" | http://cdbaby.com/cd/biffoz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 20 14:31:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8KIUDB17201; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 14:30:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 14:30:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008e01c37fa6$68071860$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Samsa and ANGELswing Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 14:38:38 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 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Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 20 17:48:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8KLj0B24434; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 17:45:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 17:45:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F6CCA5A.5050200@biink.com> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 17:44:58 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "the_ambient_way@yahoogroups.com" , "Looper's Delight Mailing List" , ":: 3/2, 7/4, 9/8..." Subject: NYC: 9/27 gig at Chama cancelled Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey there folks, I have to cancel my 9/27/2003 show at Chama because they're closing. Over the past two years I've done 10 solo shows there. I didn't realise it was that many! Owner stv jns will be booking shows elsewhere, but I'll miss playing Chama with it's celebration of UFOs & paranormal phenomenon. Thanks to all who came to my shows there! -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 20 19:24:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8KNJrH12116; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 19:19:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 19:19:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.80.72 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Normalized Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 19:19:50 -0400 Message-ID: <000101c37fcd$b0e58180$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h8KNJrU12091 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just got mine all I can say is I love it, Great stuff Andre -----Original Message----- From: Michael Peters [mailto:mpeters@csi.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 9:00 AM To: Loopers Delight; davidtorn@yahoogroups.com; newsletter@elephant-talk.com Subject: Normalized Andre LaFosse continues his groundbreaking guitar work on his brand new second solo album, 'Normalized'. Like no other artist that I know of, he explores the far reaches of what can be done with an electric guitar and the new Echoplex software. The Echoplex is a truly 'deep' box - it's a wonderful and indispensable tool for live looping musicians, but beneath that seemingly simple looping functionality, there is an uncharted territory of more experimental musical possibilities many of which don't even have a name yet. Andre is one of the very few musicians who have gone there and came back with treasures ... he turns his axe into something he calls 'turntablist' guitar ... maybe one could also call his music 'pointillist' ... Burroughs's cut-up techniques come to mind, and I also had to think of Edward scissor hands ... remember that guy with scissor hands, creating incredible sculptures in seconds? Andre's sound sculptures are a bit like that, they suddenly evolve out of thin air, fragile cut-up loop fragments that one would expect to go haywire suddenly start to groove and rock and mutate in many surprising ways. I've spent some time with electric guitar and Echoplex myself, but still, Andre seems like a wizard to me and often enough, I have no idea how he does what he does. And then he's a wonderful guitarist of course - firmly rooted in rock'n roll but going way beyond that, with traditional Indian and Arabian music speaking in his phrasing and expressivity. So, if you need some avantgarde party music, or if you're looking for a truly adventurous and rewarding listening experience, buy this album, now, at http://www.altruistmusic.com/cd -------- Michael Peters From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 20 20:27:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8L0OZR23841; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 20:24:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 20:24:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 19:24:31 -0500 Subject: Re: Rackmount 1-space stereo line mixers? From: Steve Ginn To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One alternative that I am working with now is the new MOTU 828 Mk II. It has 10 discrete ins (which include 2 XLR's with built in pres and 48v phantom power and their own individual inserts) and 8 outs (on top of all the ADAT and SPIDF digital I/O's). The cool thing is that even though it is created as a firewire recording interface it also has the capability to operate as a standalone digital mixer with 4 separate busses which sort of act like a matrix mixing system. You can bring in a series of inputs and output those to any of the outputs for processing, then bring that effected signal back into a different bus, etc., etc. It also has a headphone jack on the front and you can even assign the headphone as the output for one of the mixes which could act as your own personal monitor mix. All this can be programmed and set from the PC or Mac, but can be modified right from the front (volume, routing, panning, etc.) of the unit without any computer hooked up. I am still trying to work it into my system as my main mixer and so far its looking pretty promising. The final nice thing is that it is a single rack space unit! Regards, Steve Ginn On 9/19/03 9:10 PM, "Mike Barrs" wrote: >> From: wavelet [mailto:wavelet@petebrunelli.com] >> >> I've been using a Ashly single space 8 channel, and it is a very >> versatile mixer but it lacks sends/returns. It is basically >> a broadcast mixer but it has great fidelity and stereo/mono >> capability. MX308 is the model, but it may have been replaced. >> It isn't in my rack at the moment because it is on loan but >> I've had noting but positive experiences with it. > > I think the current model is the Ashly LX 308B, 8 stereo pairs, but the main > thing is it has a headphone jack with a separate level control. That's the > one I'm still leaning towards, since I need the ability to kill the main > outputs and listen to just headphones when I practice. I need the headphone > jack more than I need the full stereo FX loop feature I was looking for. It > seems to be impossible to get both those features in the same 1u line mixer. > > Thanks again to everyone for the feedback! > > Mike Barrs > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 21 08:27:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8LCNIl03520; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 08:23:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 08:23:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 08:23:16 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Gibson EDP hiss noise From: Laurent Brondel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <60CB0E86-EC2E-11D7-A6E3-003065B85F3C@megalink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am getting a modulating hiss noise on a Gibson EDP when I record. I set the output of my preamp at -10db and the input knob correctly (a tad before the red led appears) on the EDP and get this modulating hiss, like a bad compressor/gate would do. If I set the output of my preamp to +4db, and the input knob correctly, I get a mildly distorted sound coming out of the EDP, even though the led stays in the orange. Obviously I tried changing leads, plugged a guitar directly into the EDP, all with the same 'shrunken' sound and modulating hiss coming out of the machine. This is driving me crazy, the sound -besides the hiss- is not quite right. I don't think that EDP exhibited that problem before. I have another EDP -an earlier Oberheim- that sounds fine. Anybody has a suggestion, a quick fix, should I consider sending it for repair? Thanks in advance, Laurent From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 21 19:25:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8LNMUK17571; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 19:22:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 19:22:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: OT: Ebay Spam Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 16:22:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcOAlzr/6Dl1+LoSSomI6+fcfvwOpw== Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I put up a Rolls RM65 6x4 mixer on ebay if anybody is interested. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2559980710 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 21 19:39:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8LNafh19060; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 19:36:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 19:36:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 18:36:35 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: OT: (Pre) Ebay Spam Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <7Uc2zC.A.ppE.JYjb_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't want to spam everyone with my full list, but I've got a bunch of stuff for sale also. I'm not going to ebay any of it yet, since I'd prefer to sell to my fellow listmembers first. I'm on about 4 or 5 music-related lists, as I'm sure most of you are also. So I guess I'm just spreading the word. Anyway, if you're gear/amp/guitar shopping, email me, and I'll send along the actual list. Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 21 22:20:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8M2I7k09515; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 22:18:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 22:18:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F6E5EE1.128F814E@erols.com> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 22:30:57 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Lexicon MPX-110 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anybody use a Lexicon MPX-110? Does it read MIDI clock? I'd like to use it to add reverb to my vocals, but I'd also like to add some tempo synched delay and modulation effects as well. I'd like it to accept MIDI clock from my EDP. Thanks, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 21 23:35:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8M3Vua20562; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 23:31:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 23:31:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <1f0.10165563.2c9fc722@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 23:31:46 EDT Subject: Re: Lexicon MPX-110 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1f0.10165563.2c9fc722_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1f0.10165563.2c9fc722_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/21/03 7:18:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jmazzarella@erols.com writes: > Does anybody use a Lexicon MPX-110? Does it read MIDI clock? I'd like > to use it to add reverb to my vocals, but I'd also like to add some > tempo synched delay and modulation effects as well. I'd like it to > accept MIDI clock from my EDP. > > Thanks, > John > www.johnmazzarella.com > I only have the mpx-100, but, yes, they both sync to midi clock reliably. Tim F --part1_1f0.10165563.2c9fc722_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 9/21/03 7:18:22 PM Pacific Daylight= Time, jmazzarella@erols.com writes:

Does anybody use a Lexicon MPX-= 110?  Does it read MIDI clock?  I'd like
to use it to add reverb to my vocals, but I'd also like to add some
tempo synched delay and modulation effects as well.  I'd like it to
accept MIDI clock from my EDP.

Thanks,
John
www.johnmazzarella.com


I only have the mpx-100, but, yes, they both sync to midi clock reliably.
Tim F --part1_1f0.10165563.2c9fc722_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 22 00:12:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8M44Pd26957; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 00:04:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 00:04:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 21:04:22 -0700 Subject: Re: Lexicon MPX-110 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3F6E5EE1.128F814E@erols.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, I have one. It does decent reverb for the price and a bunch of other pretty decent effects. I got one used for $130, so at that price you can't go wrong. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, September 21, 2003, at 07:30 PM, John Mazzarella wrote: > Does anybody use a Lexicon MPX-110? Does it read MIDI clock? I'd like > to use it to add reverb to my vocals, but I'd also like to add some > tempo synched delay and modulation effects as well. I'd like it to > accept MIDI clock from my EDP. > > Thanks, > John > www.johnmazzarella.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 22 02:26:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8M6Muo14996; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 02:22:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 02:22:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030921232053.02637648@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 23:25:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Gibson EDP hiss noise In-Reply-To: <60CB0E86-EC2E-11D7-A6E3-003065B85F3C@megalink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It sounds to me like you might have the input level up too high. If you turn it down a little bit does the problem go away? then that is your answer. the newer EDP's do have a limiter on the input, to prevent clipping on the digital path to the loop. However, turning the input up too much still hits the limiter, which may not sound that great. It is much better than clipping digital inputs, but not as good as a correctly set input level. Try turning down a bit. If the Input LED is mostly green and hits orange on the highest peaks, you are about right. Ultimately, trust your ears, not LEDs. kim At 05:23 AM 9/21/2003, you wrote: >I am getting a modulating hiss noise on a Gibson EDP when I record. I set >the output of my preamp at -10db and the input knob correctly (a tad >before the red led appears) on the EDP and get this modulating hiss, like >a bad compressor/gate would do. If I set the output of my preamp to +4db, >and the input knob correctly, I get a mildly distorted sound coming out of >the EDP, even though the led stays in the orange. Obviously I tried >changing leads, plugged a guitar directly into the EDP, all with the same >'shrunken' sound and modulating hiss coming out of the machine. This is >driving me crazy, the sound -besides the hiss- is not quite right. I don't >think that EDP exhibited that problem before. I have another EDP -an >earlier Oberheim- that sounds fine. Anybody has a suggestion, a quick fix, >should I consider sending it for repair? >Thanks in advance, >Laurent ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 22 09:02:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8MD0mS30455; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:00:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:00:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:00:37 EDT Subject: Re: Normalized To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h8MD0lU30433 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 9/20/03 4:20:02 PM, nospam@developsolutions.com writes: >I just got mine all I can say is I love it, Great stuff Andre Same here. The audio files online don't do it justice either tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 22 13:07:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8MH3Pf06049; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:03:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:03:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <188.1f2142ac.2ca08551@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:03:13 EDT Subject: Fwd: GE Stinson's Splinter Group at Club-T To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_188.1f2142ac.2ca08551_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_188.1f2142ac.2ca08551_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, For those of you who might be in the L.A. area (though I myself=20 am not) this sounds like a loop gig not to be missed. I'm on the=20 Cryptogramaphone (Nels Cline's and G.E. Stinson's label) mailing=20 list so that's how I got wind of it. Unless you happen to live 800=20 miles away (like I do), I'd bet it'll be a real "don't miss." Steuwart=20 Liebig hasn't posted in a while but I bet if he were still on this list=20 he'd send this bit of gig-spam himself. Be there or be square!=20 Then report back to the rest of us loopfolk in the web hinterlands. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn In a message dated 9/22/03 8:07:28 AM, crypto_la@topica.email-publisher.com=20 writes: >Cryptonight at the Club Tropical >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >GE Stinson > >Thu. Sept. 25, 8pm - GE Stinson's Splinter Group >g.e.stinson - guitar, electronics >kaoru - voice, electronics, toys-objects >steuart liebig - contrabassguitars, applied tools >dj chowderhead - turntables, minidisk=20 > >Don't ask these electrified humans to play you a tune from their >Blowing Down Blue Sky (WDTCHC). That would be like asking the >heavens to repeat a cloud formation. Or, as vocalist Kaoru puts it, >"What happened to the snowman?" The Splinter Group resists all forms >of freeze, fragmenting and recombining in ways that make the >technological natural. Which doesn't mean these four well-traveled >musicians resist beats - guitarist/conceptualist G.E. Stinson >considers this a groove project (without drums). The beats come from >loops generated by himself, DJ Chowderhead, bassist Steuart Liebig >or Kaoru, overlaid by whatever noises and squooshes they wrangle. >Kaoru may fool you momentarily into thinking she's going funk-pop >with her singing, but soon she's dissolved in the mess with >everybody else. It's a space excursion that makes Pink Floyd's >"Interstellar Overdrive" seem like a trip to the grocery store. >(Greg Burk) > >Visit our new website at cryptonight.com >http://crypto-la.c.tclk.net/maabs9kaa0EvBb4iNbyb/ > > >Club Tropical >8641 Washington Blvd. >Culver City >2 blks E. of the Helms Bakery > >$10 / $5 with student ID / all ages >great Salvadoran food / full bar > >sponsored by Cryptogramophone Records >visit us at: www.cryptogramophone.com >http://crypto-la.c.tclk.net/maabs9kaa0EvCb4iNbyb/ > > --part1_188.1f2142ac.2ca08551_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-xl04.mx.aol.com (rly-xl04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.73]) by air-xl01.mail.aol.com (v95.13) with ESMTP id MAILINXL11-5ce3f6f1002288; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:07:28 -0400 Received: from out006.toptp.com (out006.toptp.com [38.113.202.26]) by rly-xl04.mx.aol.com (v95.1) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXL46-5ce3f6f1002288; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:06:48 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain To: arsocarina@aol.com From: Cryptogramophone Subject: GE Stinson's Splinter Group at Club-T Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 08:00:00 -0700 Message-ID: <416782419-1463792638-1064242934@crypto-la.b.tclk.net> Errors-To: Reply-To: X-AOL-IP: 38.113.202.26 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Cryptonight at the Club Tropical ==================================================================== GE Stinson Thu. Sept. 25, 8pm - GE Stinson's Splinter Group g.e.stinson - guitar, electronics kaoru - voice, electronics, toys-objects steuart liebig - contrabassguitars, applied tools dj chowderhead - turntables, minidisk Don't ask these electrified humans to play you a tune from their Blowing Down Blue Sky (WDTCHC). That would be like asking the heavens to repeat a cloud formation. Or, as vocalist Kaoru puts it, "What happened to the snowman?" The Splinter Group resists all forms of freeze, fragmenting and recombining in ways that make the technological natural. Which doesn't mean these four well-traveled musicians resist beats - guitarist/conceptualist G.E. Stinson considers this a groove project (without drums). The beats come from loops generated by himself, DJ Chowderhead, bassist Steuart Liebig or Kaoru, overlaid by whatever noises and squooshes they wrangle. Kaoru may fool you momentarily into thinking she's going funk-pop with her singing, but soon she's dissolved in the mess with everybody else. It's a space excursion that makes Pink Floyd's "Interstellar Overdrive" seem like a trip to the grocery store. (Greg Burk) Visit our new website at cryptonight.com http://crypto-la.c.tclk.net/maabs9kaa0EvBb4iNbyb/ Club Tropical 8641 Washington Blvd. Culver City 2 blks E. of the Helms Bakery $10 / $5 with student ID / all ages great Salvadoran food / full bar sponsored by Cryptogramophone Records visit us at: www.cryptogramophone.com http://crypto-la.c.tclk.net/maabs9kaa0EvCb4iNbyb/ ==================================================================== Update your profile here: http://crypto-la.u.tclk.net/survey/?b1dont.b4iNby.YXJzb2Nh Unsubscribe here: http://crypto-la.u.tclk.net/survey/?b1dont.b4iNby.YXJzb2Nh.u Delivered by Topica Email Publisher, http://www.email-publisher.com/ --part1_188.1f2142ac.2ca08551_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 22 14:41:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8MIcW820404; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:38:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:38:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: EDP Loop III 5.0 eproms Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:37:30 -0700 Message-ID: <00e001c38138$951a0d10$6501a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a set from my Loop IV upgraded EDP. Anyone want these? Send email private... Neil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 22 14:54:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8MIp7K22248; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:51:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:51:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F6F4391.8090700@bagend.com> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:46:41 -0500 From: Henry Heine User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030723 Thunderbird/0.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rackmount 1-space stereo line mixers? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have thought of doing just what you describe. When used as a stand-alone is there any eq on the inputs? Any FX or dynamic processing? Please say yes. Henry Steve Ginn wrote: >One alternative that I am working with now is the new MOTU 828 Mk II. It >has 10 discrete ins (which include 2 XLR's with built in pres and 48v >phantom power and their own individual inserts) and 8 outs (on top of all >the ADAT and SPIDF digital I/O's). The cool thing is that even though it is >created as a firewire recording interface it also has the capability to >operate as a standalone digital mixer with 4 separate busses which sort of >act like a matrix mixing system. You can bring in a series of inputs and >output those to any of the outputs for processing, then bring that effected >signal back into a different bus, etc., etc. It also has a headphone jack >on the front and you can even assign the headphone as the output for one of >the mixes which could act as your own personal monitor mix. All this can be >programmed and set from the PC or Mac, but can be modified right from the >front (volume, routing, panning, etc.) of the unit without any computer >hooked up. I am still trying to work it into my system as my main mixer and >so far its looking pretty promising. The final nice thing is that it is a >single rack space unit! > >Regards, >Steve Ginn > > >On 9/19/03 9:10 PM, "Mike Barrs" wrote: > > > >>>From: wavelet [mailto:wavelet@petebrunelli.com] >>> >>>I've been using a Ashly single space 8 channel, and it is a very >>>versatile mixer but it lacks sends/returns. It is basically >>>a broadcast mixer but it has great fidelity and stereo/mono >>>capability. MX308 is the model, but it may have been replaced. >>>It isn't in my rack at the moment because it is on loan but >>>I've had noting but positive experiences with it. >>> >>> >>I think the current model is the Ashly LX 308B, 8 stereo pairs, but the main >>thing is it has a headphone jack with a separate level control. That's the >>one I'm still leaning towards, since I need the ability to kill the main >>outputs and listen to just headphones when I practice. I need the headphone >>jack more than I need the full stereo FX loop feature I was looking for. It >>seems to be impossible to get both those features in the same 1u line mixer. >> >>Thanks again to everyone for the feedback! >> >>Mike Barrs >> >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 22 16:43:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8MKdaD08544; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:39:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:39:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:40:17 -0400 Subject: Re: Rackmount 1-space stereo line mixers? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: wavelet To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, Sep 20, 2003, at 20:24 US/Eastern, Steve Ginn wrote: > One alternative that I am working with now is the new MOTU 828 Mk II. > It > has 10 discrete ins (which include 2 XLR's with built in pres and 48v > phantom power and their own individual inserts) and 8 outs (on top of > all > the ADAT and SPIDF digital I/O's). The cool thing is that even though > it is > I thought that the Mk II had 8 preamps. Am I wrong? I had a Mk I and it had two, and That was one of the major upgardes to the Mk II.... Now I have a MAudio 410 and it is a really nice box for someone like me that does more stereo work than anything else. > created as a firewire recording interface it also has the capability to > operate as a standalone digital mixer with 4 separate busses which > sort of > act like a matrix mixing system. You can bring in a series of inputs > and > output those to any of the outputs for processing, then bring that > effected > signal back into a different bus, etc., etc. It also has a headphone > jack > on the front and you can even assign the headphone as the output for > one of Can you rout an input to more than one set of outputs, or is it just bussing where you don't get to mix the raw signal? > the mixes which could act as your own personal monitor mix. All this > can be > programmed and set from the PC or Mac, but can be modified right from > the > front (volume, routing, panning, etc.) of the unit without any computer > hooked up. I am still trying to work it into my system as my main > mixer and > so far its looking pretty promising. The final nice thing is that it > is a > single rack space unit! > > Regards, > Steve Ginn > > > On 9/19/03 9:10 PM, "Mike Barrs" wrote: > >>> From: wavelet [mailto:wavelet@petebrunelli.com] >>> >>> I've been using a Ashly single space 8 channel, and it is a very >>> versatile mixer but it lacks sends/returns. It is basically >>> a broadcast mixer but it has great fidelity and stereo/mono >>> capability. MX308 is the model, but it may have been replaced. >>> It isn't in my rack at the moment because it is on loan but >>> I've had noting but positive experiences with it. >> >> I think the current model is the Ashly LX 308B, 8 stereo pairs, but >> the main >> thing is it has a headphone jack with a separate level control. >> That's the >> one I'm still leaning towards, since I need the ability to kill the >> main >> outputs and listen to just headphones when I practice. I need the >> headphone >> jack more than I need the full stereo FX loop feature I was looking >> for. It >> seems to be impossible to get both those features in the same 1u line >> mixer. >> >> Thanks again to everyone for the feedback! >> >> Mike Barrs >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 22 17:11:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8ML6iO13932; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:06:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:06:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Mike Barrs" To: Subject: RE: Rackmount 1-space stereo line mixers? Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:40:34 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3F6F4391.8090700@bagend.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-Loop-Detect: 1 Resent-Message-ID: <8hJXG.A.lZD.kR2b_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Henry Heine [mailto:henry@bagend.com] > > I have thought of doing just what you describe. When used as a > stand-alone is there any eq on the inputs? Any FX or dynamic processing? > Please say yes. I went to the MOTO web site to look at the specs on the 828 Mk II. I didn't see any EQ or FX, but maybe someone will correct me. Even without EQ or FX, it would be a cool solution for what I'm looking for (1u mixer, stereo buss, stereo FX loop, and a headphone jack). The only drawbacks I can see are... 1) Price. I suppose it's not overpriced considering the capabilities, but if I use it for a live mixer I wouldn't be using all the features... unless my rig gets a LOT more complex. It does what I need, but it's also overkill. 2) I don't love the idea of having yet another A/D-D/A conversion step in my signal chain. I'm already running two stages of A/D-D/A with my Roland VG-88 and the Repeater. Each A/D-D/A stage adds a millisecond or two of delay, but I guess as long as the Repeater is in a parallel FX loop it wouldn't be too bad to have the VG-88 going into the MOTU unit. Drat, I really wish the VG-88 had digital outs! Aside from delay issues, sound quality can get muddied when you run through too many A/D-D/A stages in a row. Still, the MOTO unit should have high quality converters, so maybe this isn't an issue. I just wish I could find an analog 1u mixer that had this particular feature set! Mike Barrs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 22 17:13:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8MLBh914671; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:11:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:11:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1761896.1064265101899.JavaMail.sginn@mac.com> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:11:41 -0500 From: Steve Ginn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rackmount 1-space stereo line mixers? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 03:40PM, wavelet wrote: > >On Saturday, Sep 20, 2003, at 20:24 US/Eastern, Steve Ginn wrote: > >> One alternative that I am working with now is the new MOTU 828 Mk II. >> It >> has 10 discrete ins (which include 2 XLR's with built in pres and 48v >> phantom power and their own individual inserts) and 8 outs (on top of >> all >> the ADAT and SPIDF digital I/O's). The cool thing is that even though >> it is >> > >I thought that the Mk II had 8 preamps. Am I wrong? I had a Mk I and >it had >two, and That was one of the major upgardes to the Mk II.... Now I >have a >MAudio 410 and it is a really nice box for someone like me that does >more stereo work than anything else. No it still has only two mic pres ... but now they are mounted on the front which makes them convenient. All the analog inputs and outs are fully balanced and switchable between +4 & -10. > > >> created as a firewire recording interface it also has the capability to >> operate as a standalone digital mixer with 4 separate busses which >> sort of >> act like a matrix mixing system. You can bring in a series of inputs >> and >> output those to any of the outputs for processing, then bring that >> effected >> signal back into a different bus, etc., etc. It also has a headphone >> jack >> on the front and you can even assign the headphone as the output for >> one of > >Can you rout an input to more than one set of outputs, or is it just >bussing where you don't get to mix the raw signal? > in the configuration you can have up to 4 separate mix busses and you can route any of the inputs to each output pair assigned to a mix bus. For example on one mix bus I may assign all my regular inputs to the main outs. Then on another mix bus I may assign those same inputs to a different out (adat for example) for something effects processing and then route the output of that effects device also on the same mix bus that is assigned to the main outs. I can then control the wet and dry levels on the main mix bus. The bottom line is that you can have up to 4 separate (different) output pairs with each pair assigned to a different mix bus and each mix bus can have any or all of the inputs that are available for the entire unit assigned to each of these output mix busses. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 22 17:21:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8MLIYk15775; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:18:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:18:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4865063.1064265513136.JavaMail.sginn@mac.com> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:18:33 -0500 From: Steve Ginn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rackmount 1-space stereo line mixers? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 04:11PM, Steve Ginn wrote: > >in the configuration you can have up to 4 separate mix busses and you can route any of the inputs to each output pair assigned to a mix bus. For example on one mix bus I may assign all my regular inputs to the main outs. Then on another mix bus I may assign those same inputs to a different out (adat for example) for something effects processing and then route the output of that effects device also on the same mix bus that is assigned to the main outs. I can then control the wet and dry levels on the main mix bus. The bottom line is that you can have up to 4 separate (different) output pairs with each pair assigned to a different mix bus and each mix bus can have any or all of the inputs that are available for the entire unit assigned to each of these output mix busses. > > And one other final note ... you can save up to 16 different configurations and recall any of them without having to use a computer. As for the response concerning A/D & D/A; I am finding in my situation that I use the analog inputs for my analog synth devices (except for my Z8 sampler which has a spidf out) and I use the ADAT for my effects processor. Essentially, everything except for the EDP stays in the digital realm until it gets passed back out to the house from the main outs. Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 22 19:14:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8MNBAw02930; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:11:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:11:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F6F848F.9D07C57B@erols.com> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:23:59 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Echo Pro as second looper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm an EDP user. I'm looking at the Line 6 echo pro to use as a second looper. I know that the looper is not synchable. Do the regular delays synch well to MIDI clock though? I have three main intentions for this looper: 1. To use as a seperate vocal looper. Create an instrumental loop on the EDP and then a vocal loop on Echo Pro. Then shut the EDP off and hear the Vocal loop. 2. To use as a timed delay for my vocals. 3. To use as an asynchronous/ambient looper in conjuntion with the rhythmic loops in the EDP. Anybody using this gear in any of these ways? Thanks, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 22 19:21:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8MNI6w03965; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:18:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:18:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1064272685.3f6f832d8e027@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:18:05 -0400 From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echo Pro as second looper References: <3F6F848F.9D07C57B@erols.com> In-Reply-To: <3F6F848F.9D07C57B@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.180.194 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting John Mazzarella : > looper. I know that the looper is not synchable. Do the regular delays ah ... not immediately syncable. however, with a MIDI sequencer like Numerology, or a drum machine ... it is possible to sync it. i haven't tried it yet, but i've considered it. i was basically going to use presets to trigger note-ons right on the bar-line, to control the looper in the Echo-Pro. it's not as easy as using an echoplex, though. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 22 19:33:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8MNRsr05213; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:27:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:27:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:27:47 -0700 Subject: Re: Echo Pro as second looper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 22736252 aee23e9e 3fcd0116 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1064272685.3f6f832d8e027@www.suitandtieguy.com> Message-Id: <5FC89C20-ED54-11D7-9627-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You'd be way better off with one of the Lexicon MPX machines for not much more money. (if any at all) The Echopro's MIDI Sync is horrible. Seems good for one or two repeats, but then degrades to mush. Take the delay off MIDI sync and it sounds fine. Cool little device, but they never should have advertised that it synced to MIDI. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 04:18 PM, Eric Williamson wrote: > Quoting John Mazzarella : >> looper. I know that the looper is not synchable. Do the regular >> delays > > ah ... not immediately syncable. > > however, with a MIDI sequencer like Numerology, or a drum machine ... > it is > possible to sync it. > > i haven't tried it yet, but i've considered it. > > i was basically going to use presets to trigger note-ons right on the > bar-line, > to control the looper in the Echo-Pro. it's not as easy as using an > echoplex, > though. > > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 22 20:42:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8MNbEd06577; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:37:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:37:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F6F8AAB.8B845CC6@erols.com> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:50:03 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echo Pro as second looper References: <5FC89C20-ED54-11D7-9627-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com msottilaro wrote: > You'd be way better off with one of the Lexicon MPX machines for not > much more money. (if any at all) The Echopro's MIDI Sync is horrible. > Seems good for one or two repeats, but then degrades to mush. Take the > delay off MIDI sync and it sounds fine. Cool little device, but they > never should have advertised that it synced to MIDI. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 04:18 PM, Eric Williamson wrote: > > > Quoting John Mazzarella : > >> looper. I know that the looper is not synchable. Do the regular > >> delays > > > > ah ... not immediately syncable. > > > > however, with a MIDI sequencer like Numerology, or a drum machine ... > > it is > > possible to sync it. > > > > i haven't tried it yet, but i've considered it. > > > > i was basically going to use presets to trigger note-ons right on the > > bar-line, > > to control the looper in the Echo-Pro. it's not as easy as using an > > echoplex, > > though. > > > > --- > > Eric Williamson > > www.suitandtieguy.com > > Can the MPX 110 or MPX 200 create loops and reverse and half speed them though? I'm kind of torn between the MPX machines and the Echo Pro. I'd really like to be able to create a seperate loop from the EDP even if it is not synched. Thanks for the info, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 22 23:57:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8N3tFC15685; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 23:55:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 23:55:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01b801c38186$4f1ff100$8461f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT" References: <200309230042.h8N0g7G17314@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: 1st SAN FRANSCISCO LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL Friday, Oct 3rd 964 Natoma Space Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 20:53:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com We're proud to announce: the 1st SAN FRANCISCO LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL Friday, October 3rd 8:30 p.m 964 NATOMA SPACE with 1) Rick Walker's Loop.pooL performing an entire set with only Translucent Dayglo Lime Green Plastic including new and even cheesier all green lighting effects 2) Zoe Keating (solo cello/loops) 3) The Housemate Trio: (JHNO, Z. Keating and Aaron Ximm) opening promptly at 8:30 p.m. suggested donation: $5-$10 door no one turned away for lack of funds Please come join us for an interesting evening....we're really excited about it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 23 01:16:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8N58gg29694; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 01:08:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 01:08:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5FC89C20-ED54-11D7-9627-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> References: <5FC89C20-ED54-11D7-9627-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 00:08:34 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: One More FS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ART Proverb. $50 + shipping. Yes, I know we talked about this very unit a couple months ago--both positives and negatives. This is a weird group (and I mean that in the kindest of ways!), so I figured someone out there may actually get some use out of it. I mean, aren't some of you looping cell phones and stuff? lol Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 23 01:56:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8N5tgD03769; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 01:55:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 01:55:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:55:38 -0700 Subject: Re: Echo Pro as second looper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3F6F8AAB.8B845CC6@erols.com> Message-Id: <8ECA894E-ED8A-11D7-A8CD-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The MPX 1 does. Mark On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 04:50 PM, John Mazzarella wrote: > Can the MPX 110 or MPX 200 create loops and reverse and half speed them > though? I'm kind of torn between the MPX machines and the Echo Pro. > I'd > really like to be able to create a seperate loop from the EDP even if > it is > not synched. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 23 02:10:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8N67D606704; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 02:07:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 02:07:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 23:07:09 -0700 Subject: Re: 1st SAN FRANSCISCO LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL Friday, Oct 3rd 964 Natoma Space Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <01b801c38186$4f1ff100$8461f93f@global> Message-Id: <2AB11B99-ED8C-11D7-A8CD-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry, I had the first ever San Francisco looping festival, but I was the only performer. I know that's 1 less act than your festival, but it was plenty festive. Trust me. None of you guys showed up for it so that's why you probably don't remember it. I was the "featured performer." I have a loop festival every day or so, but it's in my apt and by invitation only and I only invite my cats and wife. OK, sometimes Will Wright comes too... Mark Sottilaro On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 08:53 PM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: > We're proud to announce: > > the 1st SAN FRANCISCO LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL > Friday, October 3rd 8:30 p.m > > 964 NATOMA SPACE > > with > > 1) Rick Walker's Loop.pooL > performing an entire set with only > Translucent Dayglo Lime Green Plastic > including new and even cheesier all green lighting effects > > 2) Zoe Keating (solo cello/loops) > > 3) The Housemate Trio: > (JHNO, Z. Keating and Aaron Ximm) > opening promptly at 8:30 p.m. > > > suggested donation: $5-$10 door > no one turned away for lack of funds > > Please come join us for an interesting evening....we're really excited > about > it. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 23 02:26:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8N6MqD09208; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 02:22:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 02:22:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1064298170.3f6fe6ba9fa14@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 02:22:50 -0400 From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echo Pro as second looper References: <8ECA894E-ED8A-11D7-A8CD-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> In-Reply-To: <8ECA894E-ED8A-11D7-A8CD-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.180.194 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting Mark Sottilaro : > The MPX 1 does. > On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 04:50 PM, John Mazzarella wrote: > > Can the MPX 110 or MPX 200 create loops and reverse and half speed them it does? --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 23 02:47:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8N6dUb11621; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 02:39:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 02:39:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 23:39:26 -0700 Subject: Re: Echo Pro as second looper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1064298170.3f6fe6ba9fa14@www.suitandtieguy.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, I'm sorry. Tired. Too tired. So very sleepy. No reverse or half speed, I'm thinking pitch and short loops. On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 11:22 PM, Eric Williamson wrote: > Quoting Mark Sottilaro : >> The MPX 1 does. >> On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 04:50 PM, John Mazzarella wrote: >>> Can the MPX 110 or MPX 200 create loops and reverse and half speed >>> them > > it does? > > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 23 03:08:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8N71wL15711; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 03:01:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 03:01:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1064300516.3f6fefe4ef6f0@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 03:01:56 -0400 From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echo Pro as second looper References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.180.194 Resent-Message-ID: <2qwa0B.A.X1D.l_-b_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting Mark Sottilaro : > Oh, I'm sorry. Tired. Too tired. So very sleepy. No reverse or half > speed, I'm thinking pitch and short loops. that's cool. i just wanted to make sure my MPX-1 wasn't in the wrong place in my rack! haha. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 23 04:06:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8N7wO423014; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 03:58:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 03:58:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001c01c381a8$75ebc3a0$0207a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <200309230042.h8N0g7G17314@hemlock.violacea.com> <01b801c38186$4f1ff100$8461f93f@global> Subject: Re: 1st SAN FRANSCISCO LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL Friday, Oct 3rd 964 Natoma Space Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 08:58:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT" Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 4:53 AM Subject: 1st SAN FRANSCISCO LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL Friday, Oct 3rd 964 Natoma Space > We're proud to announce: > > the 1st SAN FRANCISCO LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL > Friday, October 3rd 8:30 p.m > > 964 NATOMA SPACE > > with > > 1) Rick Walker's Loop.pooL > performing an entire set with only > Translucent Dayglo Lime Green Plastic > including new and even cheesier all green lighting effects What, the inflatable speakers, then? Or MatrixVision? :) > 2) Zoe Keating (solo cello/loops) > > 3) The Housemate Trio: > (JHNO, Z. Keating and Aaron Ximm) > opening promptly at 8:30 p.m. > > > suggested donation: $5-$10 door > no one turned away for lack of funds > > Please come join us for an interesting evening....we're really excited about > it. > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 23 06:55:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8NAqts12318; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 06:52:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 06:52:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.205.247.83] X-Originating-Email: [teaforone@hotmail.com] From: "costas andreou" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: roland SP-505 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 13:52:49 +0300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Sep 2003 10:52:49.0404 (UTC) FILETIME=[D46BBBC0:01C381C0] Resent-Message-ID: <94dy5C.A.WAD.HYCc_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com



hello everyone...

does anyone know if i can use SP-505 as a sound module with my midi guitar,except of course of using the unit to sample and create loops?

i am using th yamaha G50 midi convertor.

thank you.


Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 23 15:54:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8NJon228031; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 15:50:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 15:50:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F70A71A.1669B8CE@erols.com> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:03:38 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: MPX-100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was looking into the archives and there was some talk of using the Lexicon MPX-100 to create short sustained loops. Anybody care to share some of their experiences with this? It might be a good candidate for ambient loops to go along with the EDP. Thanks, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 23 16:57:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8NKqDp05188; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:52:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:52:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <1e1.10601301.2ca20c24@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:50:44 EDT Subject: Looking for original TransTrem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'm looking for an original Trans Trem system. Not the Music Yo ones. Any help is appreciated. Thanks, James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 23 17:08:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8NL4e708346; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:04:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:04:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20030923135956.01ab5108@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> X-Files: the truth is out there. Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:04:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Looking for original TransTrem In-Reply-To: <1e1.10601301.2ca20c24@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <5cFFcB.A.RCC.oVLc_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The ones that Music Yo was selling were originals (unless you are talking about Type 1 vs Type 2). They were old Steinberger stock that was locked up in a storage trailer. Now sold out with no imminent plans to build new ones. Check out http://www.steinbergerworld.com for more info. Best bet is to buy a used Steinberger with the TT model you're looking for. At 04:50 PM 2003/09/23 -0400, Jhsidlo@aol.com wrote: >Hi, > > I'm looking for an original Trans Trem system. Not the Music Yo ones. Any >help is appreciated. > > Thanks, James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 23 17:08:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8NL3T308117; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:03:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:03:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: test Message-ID: <1064350528.3f70b340ca58d@www.correo.unam.mx> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 15:55:28 -0500 (CDT) From: smaug@servidor.unam.mx MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.8 X-Originating-IP: 212.195.236.250 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com aaaa ------------------------------------------------- Obtén tu correo en www.correo.unam.mx UNAMonos Comunicándonos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 23 17:09:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8NL6QY08581; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:06:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:06:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:03:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com cc: analogue@hyperreal.org, digitalhell@hyperreal.org Subject: FS: Alesis Guitar FX pedal w/ps - $50 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Title says it. Almost new Alesis Guitar FX multi-effects stompbox. Just got this but it doesn't quite fit with my set up so out it goes. Includes an optional power supply ($20 from alesis) and a copy of the the users manual, Factory Preset chart, and Quick Start Owners manual. Cool small unit (28 bit!) that allows you to can chain effects from amp modelers to distortions, delays, autowah, ring mod, etc. Also includes a built in tuner along with other more funky and modulation type effects. Each effect in the chain is programable and you can save your presets. Runs on (included!!) AC or batteries. Yes it's cool to use on guitar or druma machines. I justhave too many cool things. Asking $50 plus shipping or pickup in Phila PA. Tons of references and I accept USPS MO or paypal. Email any questions or interesting trades if you prefer. Thanks! ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 23 23:57:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8O3pRN17087; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 23:51:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 23:51:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030923215936.007f2ae0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 21:59:36 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Looking for original TransTrem In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030923135956.01ab5108@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> References: <1e1.10601301.2ca20c24@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <6Bxfe.A.3KE._SRc_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Sean, what's the dif between type 1 and 2? Thanks... Smiles, Cara --- http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 24 00:11:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8O45P822050; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 00:05:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 00:05:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20030923205737.00b75c30@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 21:04:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Looking for original TransTrem In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20030923215936.007f2ae0@pop.earthlink.net> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030923135956.01ab5108@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> <1e1.10601301.2ca20c24@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Cara, The following is copied directly from the SteinbergerWorld website ( http://www.steinbergerworld.com/tt_tips.htm ). They use frames and images of text so navigation can be a bit of a pain. I found that URL on the technical info page at http://www.steinbergerworld.com/techinfo.htm . :) The first version of the TransTrem (now known as a Type1) was designed to use threaded ball ends in the bridge. This allowed for the fine tuning of the transposing feature, as screwing the ball in or out moved the string up or down and thus varied the string length. But with the luxury of hindsight, even Ned admits that it was not the most graceful solution. The biggest complaint about this design came during string changes. Once the trem was set up it worked great. But the fine tuning part (the ball end) had to be removed and then reset again each time you changed a string. After a few years Ned redesigned a version 2.0 trem (known as a Type2). A major change was the addition of fine tunings jaws which separated the transposing adjustment from the ball end itself. This allowed the use of regular ball ends for the manufacturers, and meant the fine transposing settings would remain set when the string was removed. Retuning after string changes became much easier. This Type2 TT was introduced in the late 80's, and all instruments manufactured up until production ended in 1998 featured this upgraded design. For previous owners Type 1 owners frustrated with threaded ball end strings Steinberger offered an upgrade. You shipped your guitar (or just the bridge) to the factory, and they replaced the jaws and either re-milled or replaced the bridge top plate. Bridges that have been upgraded are said to have the "trem retro mod". For some this offers the best of both worlds: the milled steel components of the Type1 trems add tone and sustain and the Type2 intonating jaws ease the hassle of string changes. Most trems were upgraded, and it's estimated perhaps less than a hundred original unmodified Type1 trems are still out there. Since the plant is closed Gibson no longer offers the upgrade for older unmodified Type1 trems. The pictures in this section should be a guide to what bridge you own. If it's a Type2 or a Type1 "trem retro" then you've got the newer jaws and the standard sets of calibrated strings are what you order. If you still have the original factory unmodified Type1 TT, then you must order threaded double ball-end calibrated strings. Only LaBella makes these. At 08:59 PM 03/09/23, Goddess wrote: > Hi Sean, what's the dif between type 1 and 2? Thanks... > >Smiles, > >Cara From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 24 00:58:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8O4ugZ03605; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 00:56:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 00:56:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030923230455.007c5210@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 23:04:55 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Looking for original TransTrem In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030923205737.00b75c30@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> References: <3.0.5.32.20030923215936.007f2ae0@pop.earthlink.net> <5.2.1.1.0.20030923135956.01ab5108@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> <1e1.10601301.2ca20c24@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <8d9YBB.A.M4.JQSc_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks so much Sean, I believe mine is a mod'ed one, but not sure. Thanks for copying that text, I may have had a very difficult time reading it directly from the site, or not be able to at all, since it is nonstandard like that. I really appreciate it. Have a wonderful evening!... Smiles, C-Quinn --- http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 24 13:14:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8OH93g04781; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:09:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:09:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c382be$84dd5240$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Subject: New Steve Lawson/Theo Travis duo CD available for order now... Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 18:08:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, finally, advanced ordering is available for 'For The Love Of Open Spaces' - my duo CD with sax/flautist, Theo Travis. The release date is October 20th, but obviously, if we receive the CDs from the pressing plant before then, any advanced orders will be sent out ASAP! If you do order the advance copy, there's a whole other CD of steve/theo material that comes with it. Called 'It's Not Gonna Happen', the additional album is 55 minutes long, and very good indeed! It was very nearly the album we released as the main album... Both CDs are pure loopology - both recorded live in the studio, with precious little editing, and no overdubs or replacing - just a couple of fades... Anyway, the album can be ordered via Paypal/Credit Card by clicking the link below, or by mail order by sending a check/Postal Order/International Money order for £10 (UK pounds) payable to 'Steve Lawson' to - Pillow Mountain Records, PO Box 13788, London, N14 5WD, UK here's the paypal link - https://www.paypal.com/xclick/business=steve%40steve-lawson.co.uk&item_name=For+The+Love+Of+Open+Spaces+%28released+Oct+20th+2003%29&item_number=PMR-0014&amount=10.00&no_note=1¤cy_code=GBP or alternatively, can be ordered via http://pmrecords.gemm.com hope you enjoy the new CD! We're loving it, which is a good sign. Have a listen to the two MP3s on the website, if you haven't already... cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net (gig details, news, MP3s, paypal CD orders etc.) www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk (buy CDs) www.pmrecords.gemm.com (buy the same CDs) www.solobassnetwork.org.uk (other people making solo bass noises) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 24 13:40:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8OHbcd08085; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:37:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:37:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-AMAZON-TRACK: Message-ID: <3F71D667.20309@rosewoodblues.com> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 10:37:43 -0700 From: Ken Hawkins Reply-To: ken@rosewoodblues.com Organization: Rosewoodblues LTD. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030723 Thunderbird/0.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: Seattle Loopers? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am fairly new to looping and looking to hook up with other loopers in the Seattle area. have the gear and recording capabilities as well. contact me (trying not to sound too desperate :) ) ken; From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 24 14:00:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8OHvTu11150; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:57:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:57:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.132.156.24] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] From: "Louis Rossi" Subject: Sept 25, NYC concert: touch gtr textures Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:57:22 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Sep 2003 17:57:22.0787 (UTC) FILETIME=[4E274330:01C382C5] Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lou Rossi: touch gtr, loops & textures Thursday, Sept 25 10.30 pm (lounge is open 10-2) phOnOmena @ subtonic 107 Norfolk Street (bet. Rivington & Delancey) Lower East Side, NYC The show is FREE “Lou is a disciple of the new music” Joe Maneri, ECM recording artist, & Microtonal pioneer “Lou does beautiful & fantastic things with the instrument” -Elliott Sharp “I dug your sounds” -John Zorn "I usually don’t response to demos but there is some good stuff here, real good stuff” -Marc Ribot _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service FREE for one month. Limited time offer-- sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 24 14:07:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8OI5LE13243; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:05:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:05:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003801c382c6$5780cc20$0200a8c0@erdem> Reply-To: "erdem helvacioglu" From: "erdem helvacioglu" To: Subject: cheap looper Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 21:04:44 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1254" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <_8adx.A.1OD.hzdc_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Loopers, I am looking for a simple looper that is around 200-300$. What are the options? Thanks. Erdem Helvacioglu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 24 14:23:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8OIJLH15091; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:19:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:19:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c382c8$ef2c8c10$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <5FC89C20-ED54-11D7-9627-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Echo Pro as second looper Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:23:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <5HlPuC.A.qrD.pAec_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com no jocking on the midi sync. it's crap. delays are ok though. i wish there was at least a sync out on the durn thing. if there is, i can't find it. lance ----- Original Message ----- From: "msottilaro" To: Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 6:27 PM Subject: Re: Echo Pro as second looper > You'd be way better off with one of the Lexicon MPX machines for not > much more money. (if any at all) The Echopro's MIDI Sync is horrible. > Seems good for one or two repeats, but then degrades to mush. Take the > delay off MIDI sync and it sounds fine. Cool little device, but they > never should have advertised that it synced to MIDI. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 04:18 PM, Eric Williamson wrote: > > > Quoting John Mazzarella : > >> looper. I know that the looper is not synchable. Do the regular > >> delays > > > > ah ... not immediately syncable. > > > > however, with a MIDI sequencer like Numerology, or a drum machine ... > > it is > > possible to sync it. > > > > i haven't tried it yet, but i've considered it. > > > > i was basically going to use presets to trigger note-ons right on the > > bar-line, > > to control the looper in the Echo-Pro. it's not as easy as using an > > echoplex, > > though. > > > > --- > > Eric Williamson > > www.suitandtieguy.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 24 15:38:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8OJWHc26319; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:32:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:32:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030924193210.40190.qmail@web80209.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:32:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: axon users - question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20030923230455.007c5210@pop.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1081076029-1064431930=:37528" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1081076029-1064431930=:37528 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i'm probably gonna pick up an axon box and was wondering what pickup system you prefer...what's the fastest, most accurate, etc.? thanks. -jim --0-1081076029-1064431930=:37528 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

i'm probably gonna pick up an axon box and was wondering what pickup system you prefer...what's the fastest, most accurate, etc.?

thanks.

-jim

--0-1081076029-1064431930=:37528-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 24 16:31:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8OKTiP05389; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:29:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:29:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:29:38 -0700 Subject: Yamaha G50 system FS (was Re: axon users - question) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: f1643a7a aee23e9e 3fcd0116 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030924193210.40190.qmail@web80209.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've used my Yamaha G50 with the Roland GK2 and it works great. I've got the Yamaha equivalent but have never installed it. Weirdly enough, I'm about to sell The G50 (which uses Axon's technology) as I stopped using it when I got a decent keyboard controller and spent some time learning how to play. Comes complete with a Yamaha G1D pickup. Everything you need (except a sound source) to start MIDI guitar mayhem. Tracks much nicer than the Roland GR-30. Shipped to your door (in the continental U.S.) for $500 If not it goes up on ebay. Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, September 24, 2003, at 12:32 PM, JAMES FOWLER, III wrote: > i'm probably gonna pick up an axon box and was wondering what pickup > system you prefer...what's the fastest, most accurate, etc.? > > thanks. > > -jim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 24 16:38:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8OKYiw07042; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:34:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:34:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:34:38 -0700 Subject: Re: Yamaha G50 system FS (was Re: axon users - question) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: c5c1caab aee23e9e 3fcd0116 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <845BF562-EECE-11D7-BD4F-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For more info: http://www.musiciansbuy.com/yamaha_g50_g1d_midi_controllers.htm Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, September 24, 2003, at 01:29 PM, msottilaro wrote: > I've used my Yamaha G50 with the Roland GK2 and it works great. I've > got the Yamaha equivalent but have never installed it. > > Weirdly enough, I'm about to sell The G50 (which uses Axon's > technology) as I stopped using it when I got a decent keyboard > controller and spent some time learning how to play. Comes complete > with a Yamaha G1D pickup. Everything you need (except a sound source) > to start MIDI guitar mayhem. Tracks much nicer than the Roland GR-30. > > Shipped to your door (in the continental U.S.) for $500 > > If not it goes up on ebay. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Wednesday, September 24, 2003, at 12:32 PM, JAMES FOWLER, III > wrote: > >> i'm probably gonna pick up an axon box and was wondering what pickup >> system you prefer...what's the fastest, most accurate, etc.? >> >> thanks. >> >> -jim >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 24 19:14:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8ONBGg07002; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 19:11:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 19:11:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 00:09:48 +0000 Subject: masse @ the foundry From: "jeremy" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3147293388_77397_MIME_Part" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3147293388_77397_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi everyone on the list, If you are interested in live things with lots of looping, lots of bass and curious drum set-ups, check out our website at: http://www.masse.org.uk If we came in a tin, we'd do what it said on the lid - loads of looped up bass and drumming. (sometime we turn them all off and play cooking vessels) Come and see us play live around London (England UK). Next one up is Sunday 28th September 2003 at the Foundry in Shoreditch. Drop me an e.mail and I'll send you details. Best wishes j chris and jeremy www.masse.org.uk --MS_Mac_OE_3147293388_77397_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable masse @ the foundry Hi everyone on the list,

If you are interested in live things with lots of looping, lots of bass and= curious drum set-ups, check out our website at:

http://www.masse.org.uk

If we came in a tin, we'd do what it said on the = lid - loads of looped up bass and drumming. (sometime we turn them all off a= nd play cooking vessels)

Come and see us play live around London (England UK). Next one up is Sunday= 28th September 2003 at the Foundry in Shoreditch. Drop me an e.mail and I'l= l send you details.

Best wishes

j

chris and jeremy
www.masse.org.uk



--MS_Mac_OE_3147293388_77397_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 24 20:23:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8P0KpE23401; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:20:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:20:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.144.36.162] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 1st San Francisco Looping Festival Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 17:20:44 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Sep 2003 00:20:44.0842 (UTC) FILETIME=[DC7250A0:01C382FA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I should mention that 964 Natoma is a really nice place to see live music. Relaxing environment, soft futon seats... I'd go, but I'm stuck in hot sweaty Orlando for the week. _________________________________________________________________ Instant message during games with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 24 20:51:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8P0m9J01306; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:48:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:48:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 17:48:02 -0700 Subject: Re: masse @ the foundry Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 7b44429b aee23e9e 3fcd0116 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Seems cool, let us know when you have some sample content up. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 25 02:53:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8P6pWF08852; Thu, 25 Sep 2003 02:51:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 02:51:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1064472690.3f72907261338@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 02:51:30 -0400 From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: axon users - question References: <20030924193210.40190.qmail@web80209.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030924193210.40190.qmail@web80209.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.180.194 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting "JAMES FOWLER, III" : > i'm probably gonna pick up an axon box and was wondering what pickup system > you prefer...what's the fastest, most accurate, etc.? my friend Jim has a GK-2a on his PRS, which he uses with the half-rack Axon, and he loves it. i've never heard him complain about tracking issues. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 25 04:43:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8P8eCv15086; Thu, 25 Sep 2003 04:40:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 04:40:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <50.2282a018.2ca403e1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 04:40:01 EDT Subject: Re:MPX-100 looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I was looking into the archives and there was some talk of using the > Lexicon MPX-100 to create short sustained loops. Anybody care to share > some of their experiences with this? It might be a good candidate for > ambient loops to go along with the EDP. > > Thanks, > John > www.johnmazzarella.com MPX-100 1) there's an infinite repeat delay of up to 2.5s, which allows you to block new input to the loop. it's sort of tap time, in the way of a tap time echo though, not like a full blown looper ( I think the loop length is 2 or 4x the tap time!) The time can adjust itself to MIDI-clock in, so you can sort of sync ( it doesn't reallign at the loop end though) Unfortunately, if there's incoming MIDI clock this causes the sound in an infinite repeat loop to gradually degrade to a sort of buzzing sound. 2) there's a mono delay of 5s (or stereo 2.5s) with NO feedback, this is v.high quality though, so can be used as a loop thing if you have a mixer to arrange the feedback. (no tap time) If you don't want MIDI-sync, and can do without tap time then check out the Behringer DSP2024P (Virtualizer Pro). This has a stereo delay of up to 5s with up to 100% feedback. The left and right channels can be adjusted individually for time and feedback ( = 2 seperate loops!) ...and it has a sort of looping phrase sampler,(5s stereo) . It does variable playback speed (2octs either way) and reverse. ...and it's incredibly cheap andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 25 09:48:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8PDhqD32460; Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:43:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:43:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3F70A71A.1669B8CE@erols.com> References: <3F70A71A.1669B8CE@erols.com> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:43:48 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: Re: MPX-100 as looper Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com john-supposedly in the special effects section of mpx100 there is one setting that has "infinite loop" and it's supposed to be a second or 2. in all honesty, i have played w/ it and i've never gotten it to work ever. i have fiddled w/ all the knobs (mix, adjust) for different variations, and nothing. but i have used the 5.5 second long mono delay in conjunction w/ my dod d-12 (12 sec delay loop), and got some interesting results--sort of a budget rfripp sound, since i think he's running usually 2 tc2290 units (or more?) the 5.5 sec delay is set at a standard 30% feedback (i think). so it's not a true loop device, but it has yielded interesting sounds/textures/results for me. but in all honesty, i can't get the infinate loop thing to work on the mpx100. my real wish for the mpx100 series was that the parameter that could be manipulated (adjust knob) was the feedback instead of the length of delay, which is what the 5.5 sec mono delay does. so that's my experience, i've gotten better results w/ my digitech rp100 (2 sec), digitech dsp256xl (1.5 sec) in getting short sustained loops. my 2 cents.... s--- >I was looking into the archives and there was some talk of using the >Lexicon MPX-100 to create short sustained loops. Anybody care to share >some of their experiences with this? It might be a good candidate for >ambient loops to go along with the EDP. > >Thanks, >John >www.johnmazzarella.com -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 25 09:56:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8PDr5I03523; Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:53:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:53:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1e1.10601301.2ca20c24@aol.com> References: <1e1.10601301.2ca20c24@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:53:02 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: Re: Looking for original TransTrem Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well, if you contact ed roman (world class guitars), you might have some luck, be prepared to shell out some $$$$$, the prices he charges are quite high (but he has a lot of original steinberger stock). in all honesty, i'm not sure why you'd want an orginal, ttrem, i had one on my original gl3t (built in early '86), and after i changed the strings from the guy i bought it from, i could never get the thing to work, so i just used it as a standard trem. but the treaded ball ends were tricky to change. and of course i never knew how to set it up.... of course now, after i've had some experience building a guitar i know how to set up guitars, and would be able to set intonation, etc, but alas, the guitar has long been sold.....onwards to new things i guess.... good luck, you might want to just check ebay and see if any of the early steinbergers go up for sale and hope that they have good pics of trem area so you can make sure it's got the original, if that's what you want. s--- ps-you also might want to check the steinberger world yahoo group.... >Hi, > > I'm looking for an original Trans Trem system. Not the Music Yo ones. Any >help is appreciated. > > Thanks, James -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 25 12:42:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8PGYEC11665; Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:34:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:34:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:34:07 -0700 Subject: Re: Looking for original TransTrem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 1b449b9b aee23e9e 87716673 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <15AC5EE2-EF76-11D7-BC3F-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think if you buy a new *American* Steinberg it does come with something very close to the original Transtrem type 2. The cheaper ones do not. I could be wrong. Does anyone have a new Steinberger? Mine is still going strong but I'm curious. Mark On Thursday, September 25, 2003, at 06:53 AM, Scott Hansen wrote: > well, if you contact ed roman (world class guitars), you might have > some luck, be prepared to shell out some $$$$$, the prices he charges > are quite high (but > he has a lot of original steinberger stock). > > in all honesty, i'm not sure why you'd want an orginal, ttrem, > i had one on my original gl3t (built in early '86), and after i > changed the strings from > the guy i bought it from, i could never get the thing to work, so i > just used it as a standard trem. but the treaded ball ends were tricky > to change. and of course i never knew how to set it up.... > of course now, after i've had some experience building a guitar i know > how to set up guitars, and would be able to set intonation, etc, > but alas, the guitar has long been sold.....onwards to new things i > guess.... > > good luck, you might want to just check ebay and see if any of the > early > steinbergers go up for sale and hope that they have good pics of trem > area > so you can make sure it's got the original, if that's what you want. > s--- > ps-you also might want to check the steinberger world yahoo group.... > > > >> Hi, >> >> I'm looking for an original Trans Trem system. Not the Music Yo >> ones. Any >> help is appreciated. >> >> Thanks, James > > > -- > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 25 16:10:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8PK4oK18975; Thu, 25 Sep 2003 16:04:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 16:04:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F734D63.E5ED6D22@erols.com> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 16:17:39 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MPX-100 looping References: <50.2282a018.2ca403e1@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > > I was looking into the archives and there was some talk of using the > > Lexicon MPX-100 to create short sustained loops. Anybody care to share > > some of their experiences with this? It might be a good candidate for > > ambient loops to go along with the EDP. > > > > Thanks, > > John > > www.johnmazzarella.com > > MPX-100 > 1) there's an infinite repeat delay of up to 2.5s, which allows > you to block new input to the loop. > it's sort of tap time, in the way of a tap time echo though, > not like a full blown looper ( I think the loop length is 2 or 4x the tap > time!) > The time can adjust itself to MIDI-clock in, so you can sort > of sync ( it doesn't reallign at the loop end though) > Unfortunately, if there's incoming MIDI clock this causes > the sound in an infinite repeat loop to gradually degrade > to a sort of buzzing sound. > > > 2) there's a mono delay of 5s (or stereo 2.5s) with NO feedback, > this is v.high quality though, so can be used as a loop thing > if you have a mixer to arrange the feedback. > (no tap time) > > If you don't want MIDI-sync, and can do without tap time then > check out the Behringer DSP2024P (Virtualizer Pro). > This has a stereo delay of up to 5s with up to 100% feedback. > The left and right channels can be adjusted individually for > time and feedback ( = 2 seperate loops!) > > ...and it has a sort of looping phrase sampler,(5s stereo) > . It does variable playback > speed (2octs either way) and reverse. > > ...and it's incredibly cheap > > andy butler Thanks for all of the info everyone, The primary use for the MPX would be for reverb and timed delays on my vocals. The ability to do short ambient loops would be a bonus. I've been experimenting with ambient loops with the EDP this week and have been having a lot of fun. I usually create a blank loop of 10 seconds or so. Reverse it, Play a short phrase, Make it go forward, and then do volume swells with a delay pedal. It creates a nice, big sustained drone with a short backwards phrase every ten seconds or so. By the way, I've found that backwards lap steel chords, and backwards delayed notes sound fantastic! Thanks, John www.johnmazzarella.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 26 01:51:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8Q5o7224179; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 01:50:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 01:50:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F73D255.622F7082@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 22:44:54 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Radio and Retail Spam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com O folks, 1) I will indeed, confirmedly, for sure this time, be co-hosting None Radio (a very eclectic online radio show) this upcoming Monday Night, at 9:00 PM California time (with repeat broadcasts all week). Listen and read more info here: http://www.noneradio.com I will almost certainly be talking about, and playing, things from the new CD, as well as tracks from other folks. Mike Keneally may also be co-hosting that night... 2) "Normalized" is now available online from Tower Records' web site: http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2904101 It's a bit more expensive there than through the indie retailers - such is the nature of chain-store distribution - but for those who'd rather get it through such channels, there it be. Big thanks to those who have already picked up the disc; it's very deeply appreciated! --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 26 12:11:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8QG7Jm07050; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 12:07:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 12:07:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:07:16 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: mpx100 as looper Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well-i checked out the infinite repeat function on my mpx100. and yes, i got it to work. if you put the adjust dial all the way to the right-clockwise (it goes to about 5 o'clock position or so) it does a very nice repeat. i also used the tap tempo button, hit once, counted "one", "two" and hit it again and found it worked quite nice. i tried to time the loop length, and i was getting around 2 seconds, it may be 2.5 sec, but it was hard to get accurate time. but at least 2 sec. i was able to do a drone-y bass note, then moved the adjust knob from 5 o'clock position to about 3 o'clock to see what it would do, and it held the drone and i was playing little "quasi-country-ish licks" that would play along w/ it and those would fade, but the drone would continue. and man, it is clean and pristine sounding (way different than my digitech dsp256xl's 1.5 sec delay-the 256xl-is more grainy, but useful at times). to sum up, i think the mpx100 is a great 2nd/alt looper, not sure if you'd want it to be your main looper, since the time is so short, but is useful. if the jamman is as clean and crisp sounding as mpx100, i can see why people like those. wish lexicon could up the infinite repeat time to like 10 sec, then they'd have a great li'l box, but then i'm sure it would cost way more. oh well..... guess the lesson here is: get to know your equipment more..... s--- -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 26 12:42:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8QGdLd10808; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 12:39:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 12:39:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:39:14 -0700 Subject: Re: mpx100 as looper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 8f9c5b10 aee23e9e 87716673 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, September 26, 2003, at 09:07 AM, Scott Hansen wrote: > if the jamman is as clean and crisp sounding as mpx100, > i can see why people like those. The JamMan isn't as good sounding (overall) but still a great looper. > wish lexicon could up the infinite > repeat time to like 10 sec, then they'd have a great li'l box, but then > i'm sure it would cost way more. oh well..... > guess the lesson here is: get to know your equipment more..... Good point! I had my Digitech 2120 for years until I explored it's looping function and found out it's really useful. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 26 15:41:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8QJb4Y06921; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 15:37:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 15:37:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003e01c38476$58e2ece0$0200a8c0@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: Subject: Re: Sept 25, NYC concert: touch gtr textures Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 15:37:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lou- Hey, this is Jesse from the Loopers list, and last night at Subtonic. Like I said, I just moved here from Colorado. Last night was only the second time I've been out to hear music here so far. Cool show. I wanted to ask you about your rig, but didn't want to bother you with technical questions right there. Just wanted to say hi and make contact. I just had a couple of questions that I forgot to/didn't get a chance to ask you last night. Hope you've got a second to answer, and don't mind me asking: - Is the PA in that venue always there, or did someone bring that for the night? Was anyone running sound? Is there a volume limit in that place? Do they pay anything? - Do you know of (and can you recommend) any jam sessions (jazz, funk, blues, it doesn't matter what genre) in Manhattan? If not, do you know anybody who I could talk to regarding such things? - You said you worked for an "internet company." Were you on the technical side of things, or some other aspect? Can you recommend a place or a way for a guy to get an entry level tech job like tech support, or building PCs? Haha -- so many people asking this question and no answers, ever. - Here's a link to the EP page at my website (which I run off a Linux box on a cable modem here in Brooklyn): http://lessthanone.net/audio/EP/ There's three MP3s there. If you only download one, download Mallorn. That's the best representation of what I'm doing. If you know of any venues that allow for this sort of drum 'n' bass jazz fusion stuff, or of any other puveyors of such filth, could you let me know, or forward my name/website to them? I'm just trying to get started here. I was playing bass full time in Colorado doing jazz and rock/funk wedding band gigs, but I would really like to move more towards doing my own original thing here. I don't want to be a musical whore for the rest of my life, even if it means that I can't do music for a living. You know what I'm saying? I know you do. Thanks for sending out the heads up to the LD list. And happy birthday to you, my friend. Sincerely, Jesse P.S. I don't have a phone here yet, but I should have one in the next couple of days. In the meantime my personal website is here: http://www.neoprimitive.net/ and my original music website is here: http://www.lessthanone.net. Both are run off this Linux box next to me, which IP masquerades on a Road Runner connection for my two roommates and I. Fun fun fun. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis Rossi" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:57 AM Subject: Sept 25, NYC concert: touch gtr textures Lou Rossi: touch gtr, loops & textures Thursday, Sept 25 10.30 pm (lounge is open 10-2) phOnOmena @ subtonic 107 Norfolk Street (bet. Rivington & Delancey) Lower East Side, NYC The show is FREE "Lou is a disciple of the new music" Joe Maneri, ECM recording artist, & Microtonal pioneer "Lou does beautiful & fantastic things with the instrument" -Elliott Sharp "I dug your sounds" -John Zorn "I usually don't response to demos but there is some good stuff here, real good stuff" -Marc Ribot _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service FREE for one month. Limited time offer-- sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 26 16:12:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8QK9Sj16252; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 16:09:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 16:09:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F749FFA.B1582247@erols.com> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 16:22:18 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mpx100 as looper References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2BvpDC.A.19D.4zJd_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Scott Hansen wrote: > well-i checked out the infinite repeat function on > my mpx100. > and yes, i got it to work. > if you put the adjust dial all the way to the right-clockwise (it > goes to about 5 o'clock position or so) it does a very > nice repeat. i also used the tap tempo button, hit once, > counted "one", "two" and hit it again and found it worked > quite nice. i tried to time the loop length, and i was getting > around 2 seconds, it may be 2.5 sec, but it was hard to get > accurate time. but at least 2 sec. i was able to do a drone-y > bass note, then moved the adjust knob from 5 o'clock position > to about 3 o'clock to see what it would do, and it held the drone > and i was playing little "quasi-country-ish licks" that would play > along w/ it and those would fade, but the drone would continue. > and man, it is clean and pristine sounding (way different than > my digitech dsp256xl's 1.5 sec delay-the 256xl-is more grainy, > but useful at times). > > to sum up, i think the mpx100 is a great 2nd/alt looper, not sure if > you'd want it to be your main looper, since the time is so short, > but is useful. if the jamman is as clean and crisp sounding as mpx100, > i can see why people like those. wish lexicon could up the infinite > repeat time to like 10 sec, then they'd have a great li'l box, but then > i'm sure it would cost way more. oh well..... > guess the lesson here is: get to know your equipment more..... > s--- > -- Thanks for the input everyone. I'm probably going to go with the MPX-110. John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 26 16:41:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8QKcu824528; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 16:38:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 16:38:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005c01c3847e$fd040270$0200a8c0@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <003e01c38476$58e2ece0$0200a8c0@amd> Subject: Re: Sept 25, NYC concert: touch gtr textures Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 16:39:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fucking hell. Sorry, everybody. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 3:37 PM Subject: Re: Sept 25, NYC concert: touch gtr textures From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 26 18:01:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8QLwGF04418; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 17:58:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 17:58:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030926160629.008769d0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 16:06:29 -0600 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Chaos Pad as looper Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <-WVa_B.A.8EB.3ZLd_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, for those who might be interested, since this came up a couple weeks ago, I'm borrowing a Chaos pad from work, and was able to use it as a looper. Instead of ending the recording of a sample by pressing its appropriate sample key, hold down that key, and then additionally press hold, and then let up on both. The sample will stop recording, and immediately begin looping until you stop it. I'd assume this could also be done via midi to make it a bit easier live. -Just an FYI, as it seemed there might be some confusion on this. Have a great day!... Smiles, Cara --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Thurs. 9.25.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 26 18:55:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8QMpoL12527; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 18:51:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 18:51:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030926225149.45935.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 15:51:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Chaos Pad as looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20030926160629.008769d0@pop.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Goddess wrote: > Hi All, for those who might be interested, since this came up a couple > weeks ago, I'm borrowing a Chaos pad from work, and was able to use it as a > looper. Must be nice to have a job where they have things like Chaos pads. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 26 19:06:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8QN1h915669; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 19:01:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 19:01:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007b01c38482$22257180$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <20030926225149.45935.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Chaos Pad as looper Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 19:01:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [68.163.198.94] at Fri, 26 Sep 2003 18:01:36 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <4WLG3C.A.v0D.XVMd_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dude, my pad is always in chaos - now, where did I put that guitar of mine.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 26 20:04:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8R01Oh25035; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 20:01:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 20:01:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030927000117.74250.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 17:01:17 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V03 #688 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200309242314.h8ONEHv08013@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey gang, I just spoke with Peter Toms (in person), the guy at Condor Electronics who is making power supplies available. He showed me one of them and they are about 50% larger and have a higher capacity than the Electrix models. And just like the current Electrix PS, they will work with 50-60 Hz, at 100-240 volts. Perfect for all you overseas Repeater users, or people hoping to gig out of the US or Canada. Just like the Electrix version, these also have a male plug for the power cord, so you can easily switch from a 120v cord to a 240v cord of whatever plug configuration. CE certified. Currently he is conversing with IVL in hopes of procuring all their leftover replacement parts. Some of their parts are specific to the Repeater and cannot be replaced once their supply runs out (short of ordering quantities of 500). I'm talking about things like IC chips. If you have any issues with repair of an Electrix unit, you can either send it to IVL who maintain a current repair department, or you can send it to Condor. Before Electrix went under, Condor was the only authorized repair warrentee shop in the US. Peter is an avid Repeater user and is doing this power supply project because he believes in supporting this community. He also uses all the other Electrix gear in his stand-up bass rig. He told me to mention to this list that Condor is making these power supplies available for $90 plus shipping. Again, if he were able to buy these in bulk, the cost would go way down. Though again, he'd probably have to buy 200 at a time and I don't think he'd ever recoup his expenses if he made that plunge. They come with a full warrantee from Electrix. He hopes to ship the first batch out as early as next week. After that, he'll make up a few at a time to supply the demand from this list. You can order them directly from Condor Electronics (no web presence): Condor Electronics 125 N 36th Street Seattle WA 98103 206 633 5190 Cheers, Stephen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 26 20:11:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8R099Y26355; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 20:09:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 20:09:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 17:09:02 -0700 Subject: FS: Roland VP-9000 sampler Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 4c3f121a aee23e9e 87716673 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030926225149.45935.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com GREAT for screwing with audio loops. NOT a real time looper, but this will let you auto synch a sample loop to any length but also allow you to effect pitch (similar to the Repeater) and formant. Very nice device: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2561130403 Mark Sottlaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 26 20:13:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8R0BUa26765; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 20:11:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 20:11:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 17:11:24 -0700 Subject: FS: Yamaha G50 MIDI guitar converter and pickup Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: f01682fb aee23e9e 87716673 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030926225149.45935.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <21C1339E-F07F-11D7-ABBF-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you're a guitarist looking to work with computers or synths, this is the ticket: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2561130641 works really well, the only reason I'm selling it is because I've taught myself to be a decent keyboardist over the last 6 months or so. Mark Sottliaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 26 20:25:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8R0ON329054; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 20:24:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 20:24:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030927002417.78010.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 17:24:17 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re:axon users - question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200309270004.h8R046j25545@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <1Tu29B.A.3FH.2iNd_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jim, The built in RMS piezo pickups tend to be touted as among the finest that technology can offer. The Roland GK-IIa can be quite nice, though sometimes they can be a bitch to set up just right... Otherwise, Axon makes one, as does Yamaha (I think the external "mount-it-yourself" types are all the same, or at least the same quality.) Stephen <<>> __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 26 20:52:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8R0oj702258; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 20:50:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 20:50:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 17:50:41 -0700 Subject: Re: Looking for original TransTrem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200309270004.h8R046q25542@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: <9EA0B2EA-F084-11D7-BB12-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <5UL7SD.A.Jj.l7Nd_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The current US Steinbergers have a TransTrem option. They're type 2 TT's, NOS left over from the end of the previous Gibson Steinberger era. Finding a type 1 TT is very difficult, since most people updated them with type 2 parts to form a hybrid TT which made string changing a quicker operation, and there weren't that many made. However, if you go to the MusicYo page to order a TT-equipped guitar, you'll see that they're out of stock, and will apparently remain that way until Gibson goes and does another batch of TT's. The status and timetable of that project is unknown, but probably not in the next six months. S-trem (and R-trem) equipped guitars are still available through MusicYo, at a newly reduced price. Okay, back to looping. I saw Remember Shakti last night, and John McLaughlin appeared to be using a Powerbook to generate drone loops during the performance. TravisH On Friday, September 26, 2003, at 05:04 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: msottilaro > Date: Thu Sep 25, 2003 9:34:07 AM US/Pacific > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Looking for original TransTrem > > > I think if you buy a new *American* Steinberg it does come with > something very close to the original Transtrem type 2. The cheaper > ones do not. I could be wrong. Does anyone have a new Steinberger? > Mine is still going strong but I'm curious. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 27 00:51:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8R4mY914800; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 00:48:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 00:48:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: Chaos Pad as looper Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 21:48:25 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20030926160629.008769d0@pop.earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cara wrote: >I'm borrowing a Chaos pad from work, and was able to use it as a >looper. You go, girl! Thanks for the tip--I'll try to get it going with MIDI when the opportunity presents itself--lots of stuff happening for me lately. You sure are insightful! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 27 02:00:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8R5vIi23713; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 01:57:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 01:57:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030927000535.00965d90@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 00:05:35 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: RE: Chaos Pad as looper In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.20030926160629.008769d0@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Gary, thanks so much for the compliment. -maybe I'm just annoyingly tenacious sometimes. I actually wasn't sure how to work it at all, and didn't have anyone here to read the buttons or manual, so I had to figure out everything from scratch by myself. After I got it connected right, I was able to figure out some basic sounds, and then the programs and then accidentally, the looping functions with the sampling keys. I had a friend tell me the names of the buttons the next day. -and then I showed him how to work it! lol! Anyway, I hope my note helps. Have a wonderful evening!... smiles, Cara --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Thurs. 9.25.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 27 02:16:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8R6Dp827218; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 02:13:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 02:13:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 07:19:24 +0000 Subject: Re: mpx100 as looper (with midi clock) From: "jeremy" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3147491965_159618_MIME_Part" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3147491965_159618_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit .... i used to have one of these (it's in my friend the percussionist's rack now) and there is one setting which gives the longest delay the MPX can do with the adjust knob controlling the imput gain and the feedback in opposite directions. A bit like FLIP mode on the EDP. We found that you could get the delay the longest at around 43 bpm, sometimes using the clock souce to generate a click at 43, 86, 129, bpm for the duple functions. We set up control the ADJUST knob function over midi. Rather than use a pedal we use series of five values on foot buttons for: 1. max input, 0 percent feedback 2. almost max input, some persistence of loop 3. convenient balance of input to loop 4. small input, loop gradually decays 5. zero input , 100 percent feedback At max feedback the loops do gradually fragment into digital dust so not a true looper. Than in itself not a bad thing....... Best wishes jeremy www.masse.org.uk ---------- From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: mpx100 as looper Date: Fri, Sep 26, 2003, 4:07 pm well-i checked out the infinite repeat function on my mpx100. and yes, i got it to work. if you put the adjust dial all the way to the right-clockwise (it goes to about 5 o'clock position or so) it does a very nice repeat. i also used the tap tempo button, hit once, counted "one", "two" and hit it again and found it worked quite nice. i tried to time the loop length, and i was getting around 2 seconds, it may be 2.5 sec, but it was hard to get accurate time. but at least 2 sec. i was able to do a drone-y bass note, then moved the adjust knob from 5 o'clock position to about 3 o'clock to see what it would do, and it held the drone and i was playing little "quasi-country-ish licks" that would play along w/ it and those would fade, but the drone would continue. and man, it is clean and pristine sounding (way different than my digitech dsp256xl's 1.5 sec delay-the 256xl-is more grainy, but useful at times). to sum up, i think the mpx100 is a great 2nd/alt looper, not sure if you'd want it to be your main looper, since the time is so short, but is useful. if the jamman is as clean and crisp sounding as mpx100, i can see why people like those. wish lexicon could up the infinite repeat time to like 10 sec, then they'd have a great li'l box, but then i'm sure it would cost way more. oh well..... guess the lesson here is: get to know your equipment more..... s--- -- --MS_Mac_OE_3147491965_159618_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: mpx100 as looper (with midi clock) .... i used to have one of these (it's in my friend the percussionist's rac= k now) and there is one setting which gives the longest delay the MPX can do= with the adjust knob controlling the imput gain and the feedback in opposit= e directions. A bit like FLIP mode on the EDP.

We found that you could get the delay the longest at around 43 bpm, sometim= es using the clock souce to generate a click at 43, 86, 129, bpm for the dup= le functions.

We set up control the ADJUST knob function over midi. Rather than use a ped= al we use series of five values on foot buttons for:

1. max input, 0 percent feedback
2. almost max input, some persistence of loop
3. convenient balance of input to loop
4. small input, loop gradually decays
5. zero input , 100 percent feedback

At max feedback the loops do gradually fragment into digital dust so not a = true looper. Than in itself not a bad thing.......

Best wishes

jeremy
www.masse.org.uk

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From: Scott Hansen <scott-a-hansen@uiowa.edu>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: mpx100 as looper
Date: Fri, Sep 26, 2003, 4:07 pm


well-i checked out the infinite repeat function on
my mpx100.
and yes, i got it to work.
if you put the adjust dial all the way to the right-clockwise (it
goes to about 5 o'clock position or so) it does a very
nice repeat. i also used the tap tempo button, hit once,
counted "one", "two" and hit it again and found it work= ed
quite nice. i tried to time the loop length, and i was getting
around 2 seconds, it may be 2.5 sec, but it was hard to get
accurate time. but at least 2 sec. i was able to do a drone-y
bass note, then moved the adjust knob from 5 o'clock position
to about 3 o'clock to see what it would do, and it held the drone
and i was playing little "quasi-country-ish licks" that would pla= y
along w/ it and those would fade, but the drone would continue.
and man, it is clean and pristine sounding (way different than
my digitech dsp256xl's 1.5 sec delay-the 256xl-is more grainy,
but useful at times).

to sum up, i think the mpx100 is a great 2nd/alt looper, not sure if
you'd want it to be your main looper, since the time is so short,
but is useful. if the jamman is as clean and crisp sounding as mpx100,
i can see why people like those. wish lexicon could up the infinite
repeat time to like 10 sec, then they'd have a great li'l box, but then
i'm sure it would cost way more. oh well.....
guess the lesson here is: get to know your equipment more.....
s---
--





--MS_Mac_OE_3147491965_159618_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 27 04:11:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8R88kU08820; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 04:08:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 04:08:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 01:08:43 -0700 Subject: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030927002417.78010.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, Well, I knew as soon as I got comfy with a laptop I was using, the owner would want it back (long story, don't ask) so now I'm looking for the replacement. I like Macs, but let's face it, they're pricey. I have a nice desktop Mac, and I'm not married to Apple's product line especially when they're twice as expensive for the base machine. SO, I've heard that Jon El-Bizri had issues with a Dell and noise via USB. I'm using a USB interface that has it's own power supply, so I honestly don't know how noise could transfer unless the D/A was screwed up in some way. The USB (M-audio Audiofile) on the TiBook was fine. Quiet. My only complaint was it didn't have gain controls. I say Dell because our IT dept swears by them and our people are on the road using them for shows all the time so they get banged up. I guess they have great service. any advise would be appreciated. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 27 04:41:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8R8cCF11406; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 04:38:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 04:38:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1064651890.3f754c72dc16a@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 04:38:10 -0400 From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.180.194 Resent-Message-ID: <32X8wD.A.HyC.0xUd_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i think that when it comes to the laptop market, the whole price difference between an Apple and a similarly configured wintel machine evens up. that's my opinion, at least. but, if i _had_ to buy a wintel laptop, i'd go with a Dell. only with the extended warranty though. i recently spilled less than an ounce of coffee on my Pismo 500, which i rely on to sequence live. (yeah i know i can still use the arps in the MS2000 and the Z1 ... i've had to do that before. thanks to an Apple Genius who obliterated my boot sector before a show while he was replacing the DVD unit.) it's not covered under Applecare. i had to take it in, let them diagnose it, offer to fix it for 500 dollars, and now i've bought the 40 dollars worth of parts i need on Ebay and i'll just have to cover the bench fee. if i had a Dell with an extended warranty, i heard that breakage/spillage was covered. but i can't run Numerology on a Dell. so i'm gonna buy a new aluminum powerbook next week. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 27 06:36:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8RAZBk24431; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 06:35:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 06:35:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:32:26 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <002201c384e2$a70b5940$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8DT1I.A.n9F.efWd_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Mark, Right now I'm using a IBM ThinkPad A20/m that I picked up second hand for a good price. It has a simple Pentium 3 700 MHz processor and I was actually surprised to find out that this is enough for looping live with Ableton Live. I'm running my instrument signal (sax mic and guitar line) into an EDP, and then into an Akai MFC42 filter bank that is channel cross linked to a Lexicon reverb. So I'm doing all the sound mangling before recording loops into the laptop, and it doesn't seem I will ever reach the limit for how much I can keep looping from the laptop. Normally I reach the musical limit (when you feel there is no place in the music for more sounds) well under 50% cpu usage. But then the EDP/filterbank can make a rather massive stereo sound on its own. But if I should go with the other strategy, to monitor even my direct signal through the laptop and also perform all the sound mangling with software plug-ins I would need a much more powerful machine. But as I'm now going G5 for studio work I really don't need a faster laptop. Since the Virtual PC doesn't work on the G5's I'm happy to keep a PC laptop as well. And they seem to perform better with Albeton Live than the PowerBooks do. BTW I just picked up a M-Audio Audiophile USB and this is doing very well with Ableton. Latency is never a problem since the record input, starting and muting, loops is quantized and when looping back the software compensates for latency. But you have to split the instrument signal and run one line directly into the PA and then not monitoring the other line through the software. Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 27 09:20:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8RDJ6P10926; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 09:19:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 09:19:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030927131900.57359.qmail@web80206.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 06:19:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: Re:axon users - question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030927002417.78010.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1080479112-1064668740=:56755" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1080479112-1064668740=:56755 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The built in RMS piezo pickups tend to be touted as among the finest that technology can offer. that's what i've heard...i would guess that the rms saddle pickups are of the same quality, so i'm gonna look into those. thanks for the tips. -jim --0-1080479112-1064668740=:56755 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

The built in RMS piezo pickups tend to be touted as among the finest that technology can offer.

that's what i've heard...i would guess that the rms saddle pickups are of the same quality, so i'm gonna look into those.  thanks for the tips.

-jim

--0-1080479112-1064668740=:56755-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 27 10:29:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8REQ3r18200; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 10:26:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 10:26:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c38503$44f04920$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: Subject: Re: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 09:25:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, *SOME* Dell's have a known issue with the grounding of the power supply jack, which causes hummmm in the USB audio output. I know for a fact that Latitudes have this problem, but I can't speak for other models. Dell is very tight lipped about the issue, but when pressed, a good tech support person will tell you that it's a documented problem. The fix? Either use the battery, or put a 3-prong -> 2-prong adapter on the power supply cord. Someone can probably explain how that might be dangerous... I'm an electro-peasant, so I don't know. Personally, if I was starting from scratch, I wouldn't buy a Dell for audio. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 3:08 AM Subject: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? > Hey, > > Well, I knew as soon as I got comfy with a laptop I was using, the > owner would want it back (long story, don't ask) so now I'm looking for > the replacement. I like Macs, but let's face it, they're pricey. I > have a nice desktop Mac, and I'm not married to Apple's product line > especially when they're twice as expensive for the base machine. > > SO, I've heard that Jon El-Bizri had issues with a Dell and noise via > USB. I'm using a USB interface that has it's own power supply, so I > honestly don't know how noise could transfer unless the D/A was screwed > up in some way. The USB (M-audio Audiofile) on the TiBook was fine. > Quiet. My only complaint was it didn't have gain controls. I say Dell > because our IT dept swears by them and our people are on the road using > them for shows all the time so they get banged up. I guess they have > great service. > > any advise would be appreciated. > > Mark Sottilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 27 13:24:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8RHLZt09418; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:21:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:21:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 10:21:16 -0700 Subject: Re: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1064651890.3f754c72dc16a@www.suitandtieguy.com> Message-Id: <00B4C43D-F10F-11D7-A8CD-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know you can't compare clock cycles cycle for cycle on different processors, but the entry level Mac runs $1600 and a Dell that runs at twice the clockspeed, with twice the ram comes in around $900. Trust me, I'd love a TiBook (even though they're now aluminum) but there's no way I'm going to be able to scare up $1600 anytime soon. Mark On Saturday, September 27, 2003, at 01:38 AM, Eric Williamson wrote: > i think that when it comes to the laptop market, the whole price > difference > between an Apple and a similarly configured wintel machine evens up. > that's my > opinion, at least. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 27 13:47:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8RHk2b13123; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:46:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:46:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 10:45:44 -0700 Subject: Re: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <001701c38503$44f04920$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Message-Id: <6BA30D8A-F112-11D7-A8CD-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wouldn't get a Latitude. Don't care if it's that small. However, what doesn't make any sense to me is this: If I'm using USB that doesn't get power from the source of data, there should not be any ground issues... no? The M-Audio Audiophile has it's own powersupply. The only link would be the USB data stream, no? If there was noise on that, it would corrupt the signal and be useless. I could see the issue if you were using a USB/Audio device that took power from the laptop. Or, I could be totally wrong. Mark On Saturday, September 27, 2003, at 07:25 AM, Doug Cox wrote: > Mark, > > *SOME* Dell's have a known issue with the grounding of the power supply > jack, which causes hummmm in the USB audio output. I know for a fact > that > Latitudes have this problem, but I can't speak for other models. Dell > is > very tight lipped about the issue, but when pressed, a good tech > support > person will tell you that it's a documented problem. The fix? Either > use > the battery, or put a 3-prong -> 2-prong adapter on the power supply > cord. > Someone can probably explain how that might be dangerous... I'm an > electro-peasant, so I don't know. > > Personally, if I was starting from scratch, I wouldn't buy a Dell for > audio. > > Doug > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Sottilaro" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 3:08 AM > Subject: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? > > >> Hey, >> >> Well, I knew as soon as I got comfy with a laptop I was using, the >> owner would want it back (long story, don't ask) so now I'm looking >> for >> the replacement. I like Macs, but let's face it, they're pricey. I >> have a nice desktop Mac, and I'm not married to Apple's product line >> especially when they're twice as expensive for the base machine. >> >> SO, I've heard that Jon El-Bizri had issues with a Dell and noise via >> USB. I'm using a USB interface that has it's own power supply, so I >> honestly don't know how noise could transfer unless the D/A was >> screwed >> up in some way. The USB (M-audio Audiofile) on the TiBook was fine. >> Quiet. My only complaint was it didn't have gain controls. I say >> Dell >> because our IT dept swears by them and our people are on the road >> using >> them for shows all the time so they get banged up. I guess they have >> great service. >> >> any advise would be appreciated. >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 27 13:55:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8RHsQK14036; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:54:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:54:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c38520$60a24200$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <6BA30D8A-F112-11D7-A8CD-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:54:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As I said, I'm an electro-peasant, so I can't answer on the reasons why. But I can confirm, with my Latitude at least, that it occurs even with an independent power supply for the USB device. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 12:45 PM Subject: Re: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? > Wouldn't get a Latitude. Don't care if it's that small. > > However, what doesn't make any sense to me is this: If I'm using USB > that doesn't get power from the source of data, there should not be any > ground issues... no? The M-Audio Audiophile has it's own powersupply. > The only link would be the USB data stream, no? If there was noise on > that, it would corrupt the signal and be useless. I could see the > issue if you were using a USB/Audio device that took power from the > laptop. > > Or, I could be totally wrong. > > Mark > > On Saturday, September 27, 2003, at 07:25 AM, Doug Cox wrote: > > > Mark, > > > > *SOME* Dell's have a known issue with the grounding of the power supply > > jack, which causes hummmm in the USB audio output. I know for a fact > > that > > Latitudes have this problem, but I can't speak for other models. Dell > > is > > very tight lipped about the issue, but when pressed, a good tech > > support > > person will tell you that it's a documented problem. The fix? Either > > use > > the battery, or put a 3-prong -> 2-prong adapter on the power supply > > cord. > > Someone can probably explain how that might be dangerous... I'm an > > electro-peasant, so I don't know. > > > > Personally, if I was starting from scratch, I wouldn't buy a Dell for > > audio. > > > > Doug > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Sottilaro" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 3:08 AM > > Subject: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? > > > > > >> Hey, > >> > >> Well, I knew as soon as I got comfy with a laptop I was using, the > >> owner would want it back (long story, don't ask) so now I'm looking > >> for > >> the replacement. I like Macs, but let's face it, they're pricey. I > >> have a nice desktop Mac, and I'm not married to Apple's product line > >> especially when they're twice as expensive for the base machine. > >> > >> SO, I've heard that Jon El-Bizri had issues with a Dell and noise via > >> USB. I'm using a USB interface that has it's own power supply, so I > >> honestly don't know how noise could transfer unless the D/A was > >> screwed > >> up in some way. The USB (M-audio Audiofile) on the TiBook was fine. > >> Quiet. My only complaint was it didn't have gain controls. I say > >> Dell > >> because our IT dept swears by them and our people are on the road > >> using > >> them for shows all the time so they get banged up. I guess they have > >> great service. > >> > >> any advise would be appreciated. > >> > >> Mark Sottilaro > >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 27 14:00:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8RHxfd16001; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:59:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:59:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 10:59:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <001901c38520$60a24200$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Thread-Index: AcOFIL829EExtyIRQoupcKZ5Gx/ZrwAAD+tA Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't know if this has been covered but I don't believe they make Laptops with music performance/recording in mind - hence the noise factor? :::-----Original Message----- :::From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] :::Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 10:54 AM :::To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com :::Subject: Re: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? ::: :::As I said, I'm an electro-peasant, so I can't answer on the reasons why. :::But I can confirm, with my Latitude at least, that it occurs even with an :::independent power supply for the USB device. ::: :::Doug :::----- Original Message ----- :::From: "Mark Sottilaro" :::To: :::Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 12:45 PM :::Subject: Re: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? ::: ::: :::> Wouldn't get a Latitude. Don't care if it's that small. :::> :::> However, what doesn't make any sense to me is this: If I'm using USB :::> that doesn't get power from the source of data, there should not be any :::> ground issues... no? The M-Audio Audiophile has it's own powersupply. :::> The only link would be the USB data stream, no? If there was noise on :::> that, it would corrupt the signal and be useless. I could see the :::> issue if you were using a USB/Audio device that took power from the :::> laptop. :::> :::> Or, I could be totally wrong. :::> :::> Mark :::> :::> On Saturday, September 27, 2003, at 07:25 AM, Doug Cox wrote: :::> :::> > Mark, :::> > :::> > *SOME* Dell's have a known issue with the grounding of the power :::supply :::> > jack, which causes hummmm in the USB audio output. I know for a fact :::> > that :::> > Latitudes have this problem, but I can't speak for other models. :::Dell :::> > is :::> > very tight lipped about the issue, but when pressed, a good tech :::> > support :::> > person will tell you that it's a documented problem. The fix? :::Either :::> > use :::> > the battery, or put a 3-prong -> 2-prong adapter on the power supply :::> > cord. :::> > Someone can probably explain how that might be dangerous... I'm an :::> > electro-peasant, so I don't know. :::> > :::> > Personally, if I was starting from scratch, I wouldn't buy a Dell for :::> > audio. :::> > :::> > Doug :::> > ----- Original Message ----- :::> > From: "Mark Sottilaro" :::> > To: :::> > Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 3:08 AM :::> > Subject: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? :::> > :::> > :::> >> Hey, :::> >> :::> >> Well, I knew as soon as I got comfy with a laptop I was using, the :::> >> owner would want it back (long story, don't ask) so now I'm looking :::> >> for :::> >> the replacement. I like Macs, but let's face it, they're pricey. I :::> >> have a nice desktop Mac, and I'm not married to Apple's product line :::> >> especially when they're twice as expensive for the base machine. :::> >> :::> >> SO, I've heard that Jon El-Bizri had issues with a Dell and noise :::via :::> >> USB. I'm using a USB interface that has it's own power supply, so I :::> >> honestly don't know how noise could transfer unless the D/A was :::> >> screwed :::> >> up in some way. The USB (M-audio Audiofile) on the TiBook was fine. :::> >> Quiet. My only complaint was it didn't have gain controls. I say :::> >> Dell :::> >> because our IT dept swears by them and our people are on the road :::> >> using :::> >> them for shows all the time so they get banged up. I guess they :::have :::> >> great service. :::> >> :::> >> any advise would be appreciated. :::> >> :::> >> Mark Sottilaro :::> >> :::> > :::> ::: ::: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 27 14:10:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8RI74B17379; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 14:07:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 14:07:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c38522$245a8440$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20030926160629.008769d0@pop.earthlink.net> Subject: EDP Insert fun Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:06:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thought I'd share this little tidbit. Some of your have probably tried this (I bet Andre has!), but it was a new discovery for me and I'm having a blast with it. Set feedback to 0 Set InsertMode to H.Sp, so that hitting the Insert button toggles between FullSpeed and HalfSpeed Create a very short loop - I'm tending to use about 0.5 seconds End with Overdub, so that you're feeding the little loop That loop establishes a tempo. Play into it. I've been doing fingerpicking chord work, and melodic runs As you play, hit the Insert button in interesting, syncopated rhythms in time with your tempo You'll get neat little syncopated "blurbs" of what you're playing, at the same speed... 1/2 speed... 2x speed... but in rhythm, and based on what patterns you're hitting on the Insert button Try higher feedback values. Up to 80 or so, you can get longer repeats for slower changes in your music I have 2 EDPs, but this basic idea will work with 1. With 2, you can go even more nuts, by setting the second unit's InsertMode to: - Reverse: mysterious, creepy sounds underlying the first EDP trick - Substitute or Replace: adds more of your original-pitched work, providing more stablity to the sound And then sometimes, I'm running those 2 EDP's output into my G-Major, and synching an additional echo to the clock. It get's really bouncy and beautiful then, but a bit harder to make quick key changes, etc. Very rhythmic and fun. Try it! Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 27 14:16:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8RIEZl18443; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 14:14:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 14:14:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030927124346.045a0bd0@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:13:39 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? In-Reply-To: <001701c38503$44f04920$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:25 AM 9/27/2003 -0500, Doug Cox wrote: >*SOME* Dell's have a known issue with the grounding of the power supply >jack, which causes hummmm in the USB audio output.... The fix? Either use >the battery, or put a 3-prong -> 2-prong adapter on the power supply cord. >Someone can probably explain how that might be dangerous... I'm an >electro-peasant, so I don't know. There was a discussion about this very thing over on the LaptopMozart group (laptopmozart@yahoogroups.com). And I think there were a couple of people for whom even that fix didn't work. >Personally, if I was starting from scratch, I wouldn't buy a Dell for audio. Ditto. I'm typing on a 1.2Ghz Latitude right now (my laptop from work). I've installed a bunch of my audio doohickeys on here so that I can do some 'real' work while I'm out on the road with my job. Sometimes things behave, erm, strange -- lock up, slow down, etc., etc. Parts of that can certainly be attributed to forcing the software onto Win2k, but not everything. I never thought I'd say a Mac was more stable than anything, but I trust my TiBook more than I trust my Dell. Despite the fact that they're great road computers, I likewise wouldn't buy a Dell for audio. I've thought about bringing another PC laptop into my setup (like it's not complicated enough already). I've got a 500Mhz Toshiba over in the corner that's been pretty stable with the audio plugs I've loaded, at least so far. I'll let you know how that goes but I'm in no real rush to finish that project. In addition, I've got a Sony Vaio that was my work laptop prior to the Dell, and it gave pretty decent results with my previous sequencer setup. Other people on the LaptopMozart list have also recommended the Vaio (I guess it also doesn't hurt that Kraftwerk have jettisoned all their hardware and now tour exclusively with Sony's running VST's, or so I hear). I've also heard pretty good things about the IBM Thinkpads. I've still got one of the boxy little 150Mhz jobbies (running NT 4, no less) that I used to swear by. It's not really fast enough to run anything modern though... a shame. That little guy was bulletproof, and I had to push it quite a bit before it would even BSOD on me. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 27 14:17:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8RIGlM18815; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 14:16:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 14:16:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 11:16:27 -0700 Subject: Re: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <001901c38520$60a24200$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah, good to know. I'll talk to some of the geeks I know to see if they can offer some explanation for why this happens. The good thing is because my employer uses Dell exclusively, I can take one home and try it before I get one. Mark On Saturday, September 27, 2003, at 10:54 AM, Doug Cox wrote: > As I said, I'm an electro-peasant, so I can't answer on the reasons > why. > But I can confirm, with my Latitude at least, that it occurs even with > an > independent power supply for the USB device. > > Doug > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Sottilaro" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 12:45 PM > Subject: Re: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? > > >> Wouldn't get a Latitude. Don't care if it's that small. >> >> However, what doesn't make any sense to me is this: If I'm using USB >> that doesn't get power from the source of data, there should not be >> any >> ground issues... no? The M-Audio Audiophile has it's own powersupply. >> The only link would be the USB data stream, no? If there was noise on >> that, it would corrupt the signal and be useless. I could see the >> issue if you were using a USB/Audio device that took power from the >> laptop. >> >> Or, I could be totally wrong. >> >> Mark >> >> On Saturday, September 27, 2003, at 07:25 AM, Doug Cox wrote: >> >>> Mark, >>> >>> *SOME* Dell's have a known issue with the grounding of the power >>> supply >>> jack, which causes hummmm in the USB audio output. I know for a fact >>> that >>> Latitudes have this problem, but I can't speak for other models. >>> Dell >>> is >>> very tight lipped about the issue, but when pressed, a good tech >>> support >>> person will tell you that it's a documented problem. The fix? >>> Either >>> use >>> the battery, or put a 3-prong -> 2-prong adapter on the power supply >>> cord. >>> Someone can probably explain how that might be dangerous... I'm an >>> electro-peasant, so I don't know. >>> >>> Personally, if I was starting from scratch, I wouldn't buy a Dell for >>> audio. >>> >>> Doug >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mark Sottilaro" >>> To: >>> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 3:08 AM >>> Subject: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? >>> >>> >>>> Hey, >>>> >>>> Well, I knew as soon as I got comfy with a laptop I was using, the >>>> owner would want it back (long story, don't ask) so now I'm looking >>>> for >>>> the replacement. I like Macs, but let's face it, they're pricey. I >>>> have a nice desktop Mac, and I'm not married to Apple's product line >>>> especially when they're twice as expensive for the base machine. >>>> >>>> SO, I've heard that Jon El-Bizri had issues with a Dell and noise >>>> via >>>> USB. I'm using a USB interface that has it's own power supply, so I >>>> honestly don't know how noise could transfer unless the D/A was >>>> screwed >>>> up in some way. The USB (M-audio Audiofile) on the TiBook was fine. >>>> Quiet. My only complaint was it didn't have gain controls. I say >>>> Dell >>>> because our IT dept swears by them and our people are on the road >>>> using >>>> them for shows all the time so they get banged up. I guess they >>>> have >>>> great service. >>>> >>>> any advise would be appreciated. >>>> >>>> Mark Sottilaro >>>> >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 27 17:54:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8RLqgD17683; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 17:52:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 17:52:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <150.2475f860.2ca7609d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 17:52:29 EDT Subject: Re: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was glancing at Computer Music online and they have a section on laptop studios. I did not read the section but there may be something of interest: www.computermusic.co.uk/tutorial/laptop/laptop1.asp regards BobC The Thumb Piano Project www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 27 18:52:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8RMogU26036; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 18:50:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 18:50:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c38549$c35f10c0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <150.2475f860.2ca7609d@aol.com> Subject: Re: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 18:50:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [68.163.207.181] at Sat, 27 Sep 2003 17:50:35 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com great article -- maybe worth archiving somewhere for the next time this question arises? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 5:52 PM Subject: Re: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? > I was glancing at Computer Music online and they have a section on laptop > studios. I did not read the section but there may be something of interest: > > www.computermusic.co.uk/tutorial/laptop/laptop1.asp > > > regards > > BobC > > The Thumb Piano Project > www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject > http://trundlebox.iuma.com > http://brokenaxe.iuma.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 27 19:05:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8RN2Y729306; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:02:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:02:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Mike Barrs" To: Subject: RE: axon users - question Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 16:01:34 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20030927131900.57359.qmail@web80206.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Loop-Detect: 1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: JAMES FOWLER, III [mailto:jimfowler@prodigy.net] >> The built in RMS piezo pickups tend to be touted as among the finest >> that technology can offer. > > that's what i've heard...i would guess that the rms saddle pickups are > of the same quality, so i'm gonna look into those. thanks for the tips. >-jim Jim, I've never used one of the stick-on Roland mag pickups, but I have three guitars that use hex saddle pickups. The first (bought several years ago) was a Godin LGX-SA which uses the Baggs system. It works well (and it's a great bang for the buck), but I had a minor crosstalk problem with my VG-88 on pitch-shifted patches. My other two more recent guitars -- a Gibson Pat Martino and a custom Holst archtop -- use the RMC hex piezo system, and they are a dream. No crosstalk, very good "triggering" on the VG-88. It's not quite the same thing as a Midi synth, but like the Axon, the VG-88 depends on a good strong hex signal with minimal crosstalk between strings. With the RMC system, there are options in how to set up your guitar... either with full synth controls onboard, or a minimal "clean" setup with a floor box preamp (that's the route I took). Let me know if you have any questions about the RMC setup and I'll try to answer. Both my RMC installations use the Tune-O-Matic bridge saddle sets. Also, Richard McLish at RMC is good about answering questions by email. Here's the RMC web site: http://www.rmcpickup.com/ Mike Barrs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 27 19:26:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8RNPAw32130; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:25:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:25:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002201c384e2$a70b5940$862159d5@LILLPELLE> References: <002201c384e2$a70b5940$862159d5@LILLPELLE> Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 16:24:26 -0700 To: , From: Dave Trenkel Subject: RE: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: -2 () EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.29 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:32 PM +0200 9/27/03, Per Boysen wrote: >Hi Mark, > >Right now I'm using a IBM ThinkPad A20/m that I picked up second hand >for a good price. It has a simple Pentium 3 700 MHz processor and I was >actually surprised to find out that this is enough for looping live with >Ableton Live. I just got an IBM Thinkpad R-32 for my work, and, of course, I'll be using it for music as well. It has a 1.8G Pentium 4, and cost just under a grand. I just ordered an M-Audio Audiophile USB, based on Per's, and others, recommendation. I also just installed Live 2.1 on it. Thus far, I've just been using it to run Reason, and it does remarkably well. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 28 04:52:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8S8o0c12375; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 04:50:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 04:50:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c3859d$4aa9af60$0e10883e@h1f5k1> From: "Gareth Whittock" To: References: <20030912190352.79469.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> <003201c379b7$0d453000$4001b3d8@ws1> Subject: Re: Software based looper exist? Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 09:48:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use audiomulch. Check it at audiomulch.com download free. Note you will need a soundcard with asio drivers to get acceptable latency for realtime processing.. good luck, Gareth > I'm sure this has been asked before, but I was wondering if there is any > such thing as a PC-based software looper available. I'm talking about a > real-time looper that you can plug your guitar into and use for live > performances. > > Thanks, and I'm sorry if I'm re-hashing old material. > > Brian > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 28 05:07:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8S963w15063; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 05:06:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 05:06:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 05:05:40 EDT Subject: Re: mpx100 as looper (with/without midi clock) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > At max feedback the loops do gradually fragment into digital dust so not a > true looper. Than in itself not a bad thing....... ......this doesn't happen if you don't use MIDI clock From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 28 05:16:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8S9E4e16202; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 05:14:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 05:14:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <1c6.f901175.2ca8003e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 05:13:34 EDT Subject: Re: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > SO, I've heard that Jon El-Bizri had issues with a Dell and noise via > USB. I'm using a USB interface that has it's own power supply, so I > honestly don't know how noise could transfer unless the D/A was screwed > up in some way. Noise can travel along the earth connection from pc to audio device. Very common with the serial port, so I expect it's possible with USB. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 28 12:24:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8SGM3F13006; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 12:22:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 12:22:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008301c385dc$8f60f020$0200a8c0@erdem> Reply-To: "erdem helvacioglu" From: "erdem helvacioglu" To: Subject: =?windows-1254?Q?time_compressio=FDn_softwares...?= Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 19:21:19 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1254" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear loopers, I am looking for a good quality time compression software.(for pc - vst or dx ) What are my options? Thank you very much. Best regards, Erdem Helvacioglu erdemhel@tnn.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 28 12:33:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8SGVdx14937; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 12:31:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 12:31:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F770FEE.E3DCEFDF@erols.com> Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 12:44:30 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mpx100 as looper (with/without midi clock) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > > At max feedback the loops do gradually fragment into digital dust so not a > > true looper. Than in itself not a bad thing....... > > ......this doesn't happen if you don't use MIDI clock One final thought on the MPX-100 (it's now the MPX-110). I've been reading that it is a dual channel processor. One thing is a little unclear to me. I realize that when they say dual program they mean that you can combine to effects(say reverb and chorus). However, when the say dual channel, does that mean that you can run two seperate sources into the unit and effect them differently? My thought is that I'd like to have one channel effect my vocals and another channel effect the EDP output differently. Thanks for the info, As usual, everybody on the list has been extremely helpful, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 28 14:31:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8SITX432247; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 14:29:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 14:29:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003301c385d3$d8b5e9a0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Planet Of The Loops Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 11:18:39 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday September 30th - Planet Of The Loops This edition of the Planet Of The Loops' bi-monthly looping series, hosted by The Ambient Ping, features cellist/loopist cheryl o improvising with loopy guitarists Michael Keith (who always adds a humorous twist) and Andrew Aldridge (the Planet's founder and glorious leader). cheryl o - http://www.cellojuice.com Michael Keith - http://www.michaelkeith.com Andrew Aldridge and Planet Of The Loops - http://www.geocities.com/energymadeaudible/energyhome.html Between Sets CD - "Live at The Ambient Ping - 2000" by Deep Chill Network (Dark Duck Records - 2002) A live set of deep ambience by Deep Chill Network, aka Gaithersburg, Maryland resident and Dark Duck label-head Stephen Philips, recorded "you know where" during his first performance here in Toronto. http://www.darkduck.net (Available @ ping things) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday October 7th - MCF http://www.michaelkeith.com Between Sets CD - "The New Tribes EP" by Michael Mage . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 28 14:41:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8SIeZ501369; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 14:40:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 14:40:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c385d3$9ebbb040$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Planet Of The Loops Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 11:16:57 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday September 30th - Planet Of The Loops This edition of the Planet Of The Loops' bi-monthly looping series, hosted by The Ambient Ping, features cellist/loopist cheryl o improvising with loopy guitarists Michael Keith (who always adds a humorous twist) and Andrew Aldridge (the Planet's founder and glorious leader). cheryl o - http://www.cellojuice.com Michael Keith - http://www.michaelkeith.com Andrew Aldridge and Planet Of The Loops - http://www.geocities.com/energymadeaudible/energyhome.html Between Sets CD - "Live at The Ambient Ping - 2000" by Deep Chill Network (Dark Duck Records - 2002) A live set of deep ambience by Deep Chill Network, aka Gaithersburg, Maryland resident and Dark Duck label-head Stephen Philips, recorded "you know where" during his first performance here in Toronto. http://www.darkduck.net (Available @ ping things) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday October 7th - MCF http://www.michaelkeith.com Between Sets CD - "The New Tribes EP" by Michael Mage . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 28 17:45:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8SLhOL06690; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 17:43:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 17:43:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 17:43:23 -0400 Subject: EDP IN/OUT Mod Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Laurent Brondel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200308011602.h71G2xC29478@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i own 2 EDPs, one oberheim-branded and one gibson-branded. even though i changed the IN/OUT capacitors on the oberheim -as per kim's EDP pages recommendation-, i am still not getting the same IN/OUT level as on the gibson. is there a mod to render them similar? that would be very handy for quick visual setups. or if anybody out there with the same issue wants to exchange one oberheim-branded EDP for one gibson-branded EDP, or vice-versa, please contact me privately. thanks in advance, laurent From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 28 22:03:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8T21kP13672; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:01:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:01:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030929020140.47186.qmail@web60207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 19:01:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Sy nth Subject: real-time midi looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm looking for a Max patch that does quick realtime looping. What I want it to do is- you play in a short phrase. It gets looped, based on the tempo/time signature snd keeps doing so until you play more notes. The notes you play will overwrite the notes currently at that space. Does that make sense? I got this idea from using Reason. I like the overdub/replace modes it has, but I wish you could set it to only replace the notes you're playing over, and not all of them. My DX200 also does something exactly like what I'm talking about when it's in record mode. The problem there is that it's only 16 steps long. I'll figure out how to do it in Max eventually, but I'm learning it just for this idea (and others in the future of courrse) so I'd appreciate some tips. Gabe __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 02:25:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8T6LLT19666; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 02:21:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 02:21:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030928225705.035bca88@annihilist.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 23:24:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: New Looper's Delight section: The Looping News Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Loop fans- I've just finished adding a brand new section to Looper's Delight for news and headlines. http://www.loopers-delight.com/news/news.php This is where I will be putting Looping related news items like new product announcements, special events, cd releases, and whatever else is sent to me in the form of a press release. Visit it daily! Make it your home page! So far I've seeded it with a healthy collection of press releases that have been sent to me over the last couple years by various manufacturers. As I get more I'll put them up. No doubt you will want to check this every single day to make sure you are always up to date on the latest current events in the Looping Universe. Don't feel left out of the conversation at the water cooler! Again, the section is here: http://www.loopers-delight.com/news/news.php You will also find that the home page of the LD site now has a little section showing the latest headlines. You can also go there and do a quick check of what's happening now. http://www.loopers-delight.com/loop.html The Looping News also has the happy happy fun fun comments feature! Feel free to comment on the news articles of the day, offering up your glowing praise and/or libelous diatribes as you see fit! Instead of just sitting there talking at your screen, you can actually let the whole world know what you think! And the world really will care, I promise! Comment away! If you actually have some looping news to report, you may send it in to this address: news@loopers-delight.com (preferably in the form of a press release so I don't actually have to do any work.) If any of you budding journalists would like to do an unpaid internship as a Looper's Delight reporter, let me know. The untempered hyperbole usually found in press releases can get a little silly sometimes. It would be really great to break it up once in a while with some real, honest reporting! Also, it is entirely likely that there is some bug or another in all this. Dealing with php code and javascripts and databases and all that is not exactly my thing, but I think I got it mostly working. Please let me know if something doesn't look right. Enjoy, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 09:43:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8TDcCf19197; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:38:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:38:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <8D81DA9D264CD311A60C0008C75D553B114F661F@cwus-dtw-pri02.compuware.com> From: "Jonah, Jim" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:38:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My past laptop experiences: Dell: two previous employers (dot coms) used dells. Every Dell I had required service. The last one eventually was completely replaced one part at a time (2 screens, 1 motherboard, 1 harddrive, and one battery). All five of the programmers in my group needed service on their dell lattitudes right around the one year mark. Within the office we were running about a 30% repair rate for the Dell laptops. Some random issues were never solved (cpu spikes). Toshiba: rock solid, never needed service, consistent performance, ergonomic case (at least better than the Dell and the Thinkpad). IBM Thinkpad: brick (in weight and ergonomics), overpriced, available features seemed to always trail other manufacturers, never needed service. Not had the pleasure of owning a Mac laptop, just lots of Mac desktops. It seems that by the time you beef up a windows laptop (Ram, Harddrive space, CD burner or DVD burner) they are much closer in price difference than you'd find in the desktop world. If you get a Dell, research the extended warranties and get one. If I were to buy one today I'd look at Toshiba, Sony, and Apple. Jim The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 10:15:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8TECrw25927; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 10:12:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 10:12:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 07:12:50 -0700 Subject: Gig spam [Seattle]: Travis Hartnett at the Penny Cafe 9/30/03 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Cc: tiktok@sprintmail.com To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <0255A2EC-F287-11D7-A08A-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll be doing a short of set of acoustic guitar instrumentals with a lot of looping tomorrow night (Tuesday) at the Penny Cafe, (1717 North Market Street, Seattle). I'll be starting around 7:30, and there's no cover. Afterwards, Andrew Norsworthy (http://www.andrewnorsworthy.com/) will do a longer set of his singer-songwriter material. Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 10:24:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8TENbG28070; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 10:23:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 10:23:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 10:23:28 -0400 From: Jhsidlo@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Hi Travis MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <6A2285DE.0F67DD70.0017F279@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 137.242.1.30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just wanted to thank you for you info on the Trans Trem. I wasn't sure about the the Types 1 & 2. I also haven't played one and therefore don't understand the $500-700 price tag. Also I was unsure about the ones on Misic Yo. So people said they were leftover originals from when Steinberger was sold to Gibson. Others have said they were Korean replicas. Anyway after a particularity "rude" conversation with Ed Roman, I'm pretty much put off trying to get one. Anyway hope you have a good gig. Thanks again, Sidlo In a message dated 9/29/2003 10:12:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tiktok@sprintmail.com writes: > > > I'll be doing a short of set of acoustic guitar instrumentals with a > lot of looping tomorrow night (Tuesday) at the Penny Cafe, (1717 North > Market Street, Seattle). I'll be starting around 7:30, and there's no > cover. Afterwards, Andrew Norsworthy > (http://www.andrewnorsworthy.com/) will do a longer set of > his > singer-songwriter material. > > Be seeing you, > > Travis Hartnett From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 10:28:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8TEQuC29063; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 10:26:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 10:26:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:26:23 +0200 Subject: EDP in/out mod From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3147697583_100963_MIME_Part" Message-ID: <1A3yyw-09FKyG0@fwd00.sul.t-online.com> X-Seen: false X-ID: V+1Kz4Z6QeoJtt5sT1nabcREsFpagBRnsPxd9agQCgpPfAIFUi1Dw9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > DIESE NACHRICHT IST IN MIME-FORMAT. Da Ihr Mailreader dieses Format nicht unterstŸtzt, kšnnte diese Nachricht ganz oder teilweise unlesbar sein. --MS_Mac_OE_3147697583_100963_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Laurent wrote: i own 2 EDPs, one oberheim-branded and one gibson-branded. even though i changed the IN/OUT capacitors on the oberheim -as per kim's EDP pages recommendation-, i am still not getting the same IN/OUT level as on the gibson. is there a mod to render them similar? Hi Laurent, this is not exactly the topic, but I had the audio path of my Obie EDP modified by Drik Baldringer with very good results: increased treble response, way better headroom and higher output level to boot. He performs this mod on stufdio equipment as well with great results....Maybe Leverkusen/Germany is a little out of your way but maybe other experienced tech's can improve & standardise the performance of your units as well? Justa thought. Best, Andreas --MS_Mac_OE_3147697583_100963_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable EDP in/out mod Laurent wrote:

i own 2 EDPs, one oberheim-branded and one gibson-branded. even though
i changed the IN/OUT capacitors on the oberheim -as per kim's EDP pages recommendation-, i am still not getting the same IN/OUT level as on the gibson. is there a mod to render them similar?

Hi Laurent,
this is not exactly the topic, but I had the audio path of my Obie EDP modi= fied by Drik Baldringer with very good results: increased treble response, w= ay better headroom and higher output level to boot. He performs this mod on = stufdio equipment as well with great results....Maybe Leverkusen/Germany is = a little out of your way but maybe other experienced tech's can improve &= ; standardise the performance of your units as well? Justa thought.

Best, Andreas --MS_Mac_OE_3147697583_100963_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 10:42:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8TEdIv30902; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 10:39:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 10:39:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 07:39:16 -0700 Subject: Re: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <8D81DA9D264CD311A60C0008C75D553B114F661F@cwus-dtw-pri02.compuware.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is all great stuff guys, I appreciate it. You don't get this information on consumer report. I have heard horror stories about Toshibas though. Mark On Monday, September 29, 2003, at 06:38 AM, Jonah, Jim wrote: > My past laptop experiences: > > Dell: two previous employers (dot coms) used dells. Every Dell I had > required service. The last one eventually was completely replaced one > part > at a time (2 screens, 1 motherboard, 1 harddrive, and one battery). > All five > of the programmers in my group needed service on their dell lattitudes > right > around the one year mark. Within the office we were running about a 30% > repair rate for the Dell laptops. > > Some random issues were never solved (cpu spikes). > > Toshiba: rock solid, never needed service, consistent performance, > ergonomic > case (at least better than the Dell and the Thinkpad). > > IBM Thinkpad: brick (in weight and ergonomics), overpriced, available > features seemed to always trail other manufacturers, never needed > service. > > Not had the pleasure of owning a Mac laptop, just lots of Mac > desktops. It > seems that by the time you beef up a windows laptop (Ram, Harddrive > space, > CD burner or DVD burner) they are much closer in price difference than > you'd > find in the desktop world. > > If you get a Dell, research the extended warranties and get one. > > If I were to buy one today I'd look at Toshiba, Sony, and Apple. > > Jim > > > > The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. > It > contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named > addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or > disclose > it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us > immediately > and then destroy it. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 10:43:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8TEasX30647; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 10:36:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 10:36:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <22223562.1064846213073.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 06:36:48 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Blue Reply-To: Blue To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Looper's Delight section: The Looping News Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Kim, Please change my e-mail address to: Playsthetruth@yahoo.com Stop all e-mail to bluefluteman@earthlink.net Thank You, Blue -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint Sent: Sep 28, 2003 10:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New Looper's Delight section: The Looping News Hi Loop fans- I've just finished adding a brand new section to Looper's Delight for news and headlines. http://www.loopers-delight.com/news/news.php This is where I will be putting Looping related news items like new product announcements, special events, cd releases, and whatever else is sent to me in the form of a press release. Visit it daily! Make it your home page! So far I've seeded it with a healthy collection of press releases that have been sent to me over the last couple years by various manufacturers. As I get more I'll put them up. No doubt you will want to check this every single day to make sure you are always up to date on the latest current events in the Looping Universe. Don't feel left out of the conversation at the water cooler! Again, the section is here: http://www.loopers-delight.com/news/news.php You will also find that the home page of the LD site now has a little section showing the latest headlines. You can also go there and do a quick check of what's happening now. http://www.loopers-delight.com/loop.html The Looping News also has the happy happy fun fun comments feature! Feel free to comment on the news articles of the day, offering up your glowing praise and/or libelous diatribes as you see fit! Instead of just sitting there talking at your screen, you can actually let the whole world know what you think! And the world really will care, I promise! Comment away! If you actually have some looping news to report, you may send it in to this address: news@loopers-delight.com (preferably in the form of a press release so I don't actually have to do any work.) If any of you budding journalists would like to do an unpaid internship as a Looper's Delight reporter, let me know. The untempered hyperbole usually found in press releases can get a little silly sometimes. It would be really great to break it up once in a while with some real, honest reporting! Also, it is entirely likely that there is some bug or another in all this. Dealing with php code and javascripts and databases and all that is not exactly my thing, but I think I got it mostly working. Please let me know if something doesn't look right. Enjoy, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com Blue From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 11:40:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8TFav710710; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:36:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:36:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003601c3869f$83ce6710$0207a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030928225705.035bca88@annihilist.com> Subject: Re: New Looper's Delight section: The Looping News Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:36:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nice job, Kim! > Hi Loop fans- > > I've just finished adding a brand new section to Looper's Delight for news > and headlines. > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/news/news.php > > This is where I will be putting Looping related news items like new product > announcements, special events, cd releases, and whatever else is sent to me > in the form of a press release. > > Visit it daily! Make it your home page! > > So far I've seeded it with a healthy collection of press releases that have > been sent to me over the last couple years by various manufacturers. As I > get more I'll put them up. No doubt you will want to check this every > single day to make sure you are always up to date on the latest current > events in the Looping Universe. Don't feel left out of the conversation at > the water cooler! > > Again, the section is here: > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/news/news.php > > You will also find that the home page of the LD site now has a little > section showing the latest headlines. You can also go there and do a quick > check of what's happening now. http://www.loopers-delight.com/loop.html > > The Looping News also has the happy happy fun fun comments feature! Feel > free to comment on the news articles of the day, offering up your glowing > praise and/or libelous diatribes as you see fit! Instead of just sitting > there talking at your screen, you can actually let the whole world know > what you think! And the world really will care, I promise! Comment away! > > If you actually have some looping news to report, you may send it in to > this address: > > news@loopers-delight.com > > (preferably in the form of a press release so I don't actually have to do > any work.) > > If any of you budding journalists would like to do an unpaid internship as > a Looper's Delight reporter, let me know. The untempered hyperbole usually > found in press releases can get a little silly sometimes. It would be > really great to break it up once in a while with some real, honest reporting! > > Also, it is entirely likely that there is some bug or another in all this. > Dealing with php code and javascripts and databases and all that is not > exactly my thing, but I think I got it mostly working. Please let me know > if something doesn't look right. > > Enjoy, > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 11:43:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8TFef711239; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:40:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:40:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005201c3869f$d5112ae0$2463f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200309291343.h8TDhE920216@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: re: EDP INERT FUN (line 6 approximation) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 08:39:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the idea, Doug, I've been using a similar trick with my Line 6 pedal (and just haven't set up my EDP for it yet). I record a drone or sometimes just a random loop and then play the half speed/double speed but on the Line 6 with my foot as a quick ostinato pattern and then solo over it. I particularly love doing this with my melodica. I love the fact that the loop will scroll forward so that the particular scalar notes that you land on (if you played a scalar based loop) will appear randomly and yet you will always get the strong octave jumping that makes for a discreet sounding rhythm. This might take a bit of practise for the non-trapset drummer (which I'm luck to have been for quite a while) but like with anything..............you can get the hang of it with practise. Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 12:22:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8TGJ4D17279; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 12:19:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 12:19:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3F770FEE.E3DCEFDF@erols.com> References: <3F770FEE.E3DCEFDF@erols.com> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:19:00 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: dual channel on mpx100 / mpx110 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes, when they say "dual channel" they mean that on the "dual effects (pitch delay, pitch-reverb, chorus-reverb, etc)" there is a couple of settings, where you can have pitch effects go in one channel, reverb in the other, etc etc. works really well w/ the delay effects, etc. but that's the general idea. it works quite well for subtle things etc...and good for giving different feels for recording stereo tracks. s--- >SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > >> > At max feedback the loops do gradually fragment into digital dust so not a >> > true looper. Than in itself not a bad thing....... >> >> ......this doesn't happen if you don't use MIDI clock > >One final thought on the MPX-100 (it's now the MPX-110). I've been >reading that >it is a dual channel processor. One thing is a little unclear to >me. I realize >that when they say dual program they mean that you can combine to effects(say >reverb and chorus). However, when the say dual channel, does that >mean that you >can run two seperate sources into the unit and effect them differently? My >thought is that I'd like to have one channel effect my vocals and another >channel effect the EDP output differently. > >Thanks for the info, >As usual, everybody on the list has been extremely helpful, > >John >www.johnmazzarella.com -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 12:47:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8TGdHw20367; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 12:39:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 12:39:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <23.356566cb.2ca9ba25@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 12:39:01 EDT Subject: Re: Re: mpx100 (John M) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > One final thought on the MPX-100 (it's now the MPX-110). I've been reading > that > it is a dual channel processor. One thing is a little unclear to me. I > realize > that when they say dual program they mean that you can combine to effects( > say > reverb and chorus). However, when the say dual channel, does that mean that > you > can run two seperate sources into the unit and effect them differently? My > thought is that I'd like to have one channel effect my vocals and another > channel effect the EDP output differently. Yes, you can do that (on the MPX100 anyway). All combinations of Flange/Chorus/Pitch on one side with Delay/Reverb on the other. Plus Delay and Reverb Together. So L and R are 2 mono ins. Outputs are either mono (totally split channels) or stereo(mixed) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 13:03:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8TGxhf25018; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 12:59:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 12:59:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007001c386ab$0f096770$6601010a@BARNEY> From: "Gene Ehrbar" To: References: Subject: Re: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:59:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll put in a plug for my HP laptop -- a ZE4115 (1.5GHZ, bought a year ago for $1200, and I'm now seeing comparably-equipped models for under $1000) -- I've used this live quite a bit, and have never had any issues (other than Ableton crashing, which is their problem ;-) -- FYI, I just picked up the new M-audio Firewire 410 audio interface, which has been a *big* improvement over USB (if your laptop doesn't have firewire, you can pick up a firewire PCMCIA card for around twenty bucks). HTH, gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 7:39 AM Subject: Re: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? > This is all great stuff guys, I appreciate it. You don't get this > information on consumer report. I have heard horror stories about > Toshibas though. > > Mark > > On Monday, September 29, 2003, at 06:38 AM, Jonah, Jim wrote: > > > My past laptop experiences: > > > > Dell: two previous employers (dot coms) used dells. Every Dell I had > > required service. The last one eventually was completely replaced one > > part > > at a time (2 screens, 1 motherboard, 1 harddrive, and one battery). > > All five > > of the programmers in my group needed service on their dell lattitudes > > right > > around the one year mark. Within the office we were running about a 30% > > repair rate for the Dell laptops. > > > > Some random issues were never solved (cpu spikes). > > > > Toshiba: rock solid, never needed service, consistent performance, > > ergonomic > > case (at least better than the Dell and the Thinkpad). > > > > IBM Thinkpad: brick (in weight and ergonomics), overpriced, available > > features seemed to always trail other manufacturers, never needed > > service. > > > > Not had the pleasure of owning a Mac laptop, just lots of Mac > > desktops. It > > seems that by the time you beef up a windows laptop (Ram, Harddrive > > space, > > CD burner or DVD burner) they are much closer in price difference than > > you'd > > find in the desktop world. > > > > If you get a Dell, research the extended warranties and get one. > > > > If I were to buy one today I'd look at Toshiba, Sony, and Apple. > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. > > It > > contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named > > addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or > > disclose > > it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us > > immediately > > and then destroy it. > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 13:25:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8THL2m28989; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:21:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:21:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1055.213.89.33.134.1064856250.squirrel@webmail.internetbolaget.se> In-Reply-To: <007001c386ab$0f096770$6601010a@BARNEY> References: <007001c386ab$0f096770$6601010a@BARNEY> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:24:10 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: per@boysen.se User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <3uIv_.A.1EH.-nGe_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > FYI, I just picked up the > new M-audio Firewire 410 audio interface, which has been a *big* > improvement > over USB (if your laptop doesn't have firewire, you can pick up a firewire > PCMCIA card for around twenty bucks). > > HTH, > gene Thanks for the tip. I might do that. I'm planning to get a firewire box for my studio G5 (whenever it gets here, Apple are so slow) and with such a converter card I can also use the firewire box live with my laptop. Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com --> phone int 46 070 4416713 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 13:30:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8THLa629125; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:21:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:21:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030929172134.72733.qmail@web12205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 10:21:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Balestreri Subject: M-Audio Firewire interface (was Looping with a PC laptop... which one?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <007001c386ab$0f096770$6601010a@BARNEY> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-144402011-1064856094=:72452" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-144402011-1064856094=:72452 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I just saw that interface the other day and I've been wondering about it... are you getting lower latency than with USB? I'm using Ableton Live with M-Audio's Audiophile USB interface, and I have to have the latency at around 400 samples to run 8-9 tracks. (This is on a G3 powerbook with OSX, though). This is manageable but lower would be better... Also, do you see any other advantages to using firewire? Thanks, Joe B. Gene Ehrbar wrote: I'll put in a plug for my HP laptop -- a ZE4115 (1.5GHZ, bought a year ago for $1200, and I'm now seeing comparably-equipped models for under $1000) -- I've used this live quite a bit, and have never had any issues (other than Ableton crashing, which is their problem ;-) -- FYI, I just picked up the new M-audio Firewire 410 audio interface, which has been a *big* improvement over USB (if your laptop doesn't have firewire, you can pick up a firewire PCMCIA card for around twenty bucks). HTH, gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 7:39 AM Subject: Re: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? > This is all great stuff guys, I appreciate it. You don't get this > information on consumer report. I have heard horror stories about > Toshibas though. > > Mark > > On Monday, September 29, 2003, at 06:38 AM, Jonah, Jim wrote: > > > My past laptop experiences: > > > > Dell: two previous employers (dot coms) used dells. Every Dell I had > > required service. The last one eventually was completely replaced one > > part > > at a time (2 screens, 1 motherboard, 1 harddrive, and one battery). > > All five > > of the programmers in my group needed service on their dell lattitudes > > right > > around the one year mark. Within the office we were running about a 30% > > repair rate for the Dell laptops. > > > > Some random issues were never solved (cpu spikes). > > > > Toshiba: rock solid, never needed service, consistent performance, > > ergonomic > > case (at least better than the Dell and the Thinkpad). > > > > IBM Thinkpad: brick (in weight and ergonomics), overpriced, available > > features seemed to always trail other manufacturers, never needed > > service. > > > > Not had the pleasure of owning a Mac laptop, just lots of Mac > > desktops. It > > seems that by the time you beef up a windows laptop (Ram, Harddrive > > space, > > CD burner or DVD burner) they are much closer in price difference than > > you'd > > find in the desktop world. > > > > If you get a Dell, research the extended warranties and get one. > > > > If I were to buy one today I'd look at Toshiba, Sony, and Apple. > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. > > It > > contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named > > addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or > > disclose > > it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us > > immediately > > and then destroy it. > > > > > --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-144402011-1064856094=:72452 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I just saw that interface the other day and I've been wondering about it... are you getting lower latency than with USB?  I'm using Ableton Live with M-Audio's Audiophile USB interface, and I have to have the latency at around 400 samples to run 8-9 tracks.  (This is on a G3 powerbook with OSX, though).  This is manageable but lower would be better...  Also, do you see any other advantages to using firewire?
Thanks,
Joe B.

Gene Ehrbar <gene@anomalyinc.com> wrote:
I'll put in a plug for my HP laptop -- a ZE4115 (1.5GHZ, bought a year ago
for $1200, and I'm now seeing comparably-equipped models for under $1000) --
I've used this live quite a bit, and have never had any issues (other than
Ableton crashing, which is their problem ;-) -- FYI, I just picked up the
new M-audio Firewire 410 audio interface, which has been a *big* improvement
over USB (if your laptop doesn't have firewire, you can pick up a firewire
PCMCIA card for around twenty bucks).

HTH,
gene

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Sottilaro"
To:
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: Looping with a PC laptop... which one?


> This is all great stuff guys, I appreciate it. You don't get this
> information on consumer report. I have heard horror stories about
> Toshibas though.
>
> Mark
>
> On Monday, September 29, 2003, at 06:38 AM, Jonah, Jim wrote:
>
> > My past laptop experiences:
> >
> > Dell: two previous employers (dot coms) used dells. Every Dell I had
> > required service. The last one eventually was completely replaced one
> > part
> > at a time (2 screens, 1 motherboard, 1 harddrive, and one battery).
> > All five
> > of the programmers in my group needed service on their dell lattitudes
> > right
> > around the one year mark. Within the office we were running about a 30%
> > repair rate for the Dell laptops.
> >
> > Some random issues were never solved (cpu spikes).
> >
> > Toshiba: rock solid, never needed service, consistent performance,
> > ergonomic
> > case (at least better than the Dell and the Thinkpad).
> >
> > IBM Thinkpad: brick (in weight and ergonomics), overpriced, available
> > features seemed to always trail other manufacturers, never needed
> > service.
> >
> > Not had the pleasure of owning a Mac laptop, just lots of Mac
> > desktops. It
> > seems that by the time you beef up a windows laptop (Ram, Harddrive
> > space,
> > CD burner or DVD burner) they are much closer in price difference than
> > you'd
> > find in the desktop world.
> >
> > If you get a Dell, research the extended warranties and get one.
> >
> > If I were to buy one today I'd look at Toshiba, Sony, and Apple.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> >
> > The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only.
> > It
> > contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named
> > addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or
> > disclose
> > it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us
> > immediately
> > and then destroy it.
> >
>
>
>

Do you Yahoo!?
The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-144402011-1064856094=:72452-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 13:38:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8THYo230489; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:34:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:34:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009801c386af$f6fbed10$6601010a@BARNEY> From: "Gene Ehrbar" To: References: <20030929172134.72733.qmail@web12205.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: M-Audio Firewire interface (was Looping with a PC laptop... which one?) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 10:34:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The FW410 gives me about 5ms in, 4ms out latency, for a total of 9ms, whereas I think I was at somewhere between 14 and 24 (depending on sample rate) in Ableton using the Quattro USB. The biggest advantage over USB is bandwidth -- M-Audio's USB units are (I think) all USB 1.1, not 2.0, so you're pretty limited in the way of throughput. Add to this that USB audio interfaces don't tend to like to share the USB bus (with things like USB MIDI keyboards, controllers, mice etc), and you can end up with a logjam pretty quickly. I was experiencing some clicks, pops, and, when using over 8 or 9 tracks, inexplicable full-bar dropouts over USB. All of this is gone with the FW unit, which also boasts two preamps w/48v phantom power, and a much better routing/mixing software than the USB units. Plus, for under $400, it's by far the cheapest (and smallest) firewire unit out there. I *have* overheard some mac users grumbling about conflicts with other FW devices (particularly cameras), but I haven't tried any chaining yet, so I can't attest to this on the Win side. cheers, gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Balestreri To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 10:21 AM Subject: M-Audio Firewire interface (was Looping with a PC laptop... which one?) I just saw that interface the other day and I've been wondering about it... are you getting lower latency than with USB? I'm using Ableton Live with M-Audio's Audiophile USB interface, and I have to have the latency at around 400 samples to run 8-9 tracks. (This is on a G3 powerbook with OSX, though). This is manageable but lower would be better... Also, do you see any other advantages to using firewire? Thanks, Joe B. Gene Ehrbar wrote: I'll put in a plug for my HP laptop -- a ZE4115 (1.5GHZ, bought a year ago for $1200, and I'm now seeing comparably-equipped models for under $1000) -- I've used this live quite a bit, and have never had any issues (other than Ableton crashing, which is their problem ;-) -- FYI, I just picked up the new M-audio Firewire 410 audio interface, which has been a *big* improvement over USB (if your laptop doesn't have firewire, you can pick up a firewire PCMCIA card for around twenty bucks). HTH, gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 7:39 AM Subject: Re: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? > This is all great stuff guys, I appreciate it. You don't get this > information on consumer report. I hav! e heard horror stories about > Toshibas though. > > Mark > > On Monday, September 29, 2003, at 06:38 AM, Jonah, Jim wrote: > > > My past laptop experiences: > > > > Dell: two previous employers (dot coms) used dells. Every Dell I had > > required service. The last one eventually was completely replaced one > > part > > at a time (2 screens, 1 motherboard, 1 harddrive, and one battery). > > All five > > of the programmers in my group needed service on their dell lattitudes > > right > > around the one year mark. Within the office we were running about a 30% > > repair rate for the Dell laptops. > > > > Some random issues were never solved (cpu spikes). > > > > Toshiba: rock solid, never needed service, consistent performance, > > ergonomic > > case (at least better than the Dell and the Thinkpad).! > > > > IBM Thinkpad: brick (in weight and ergonomics), overpriced, available > > features seemed to always trail other manufacturers, never needed > > service. > > > > Not had the pleasure of owning a Mac laptop, just lots of Mac > > desktops. It > > seems that by the time you beef up a windows laptop (Ram, Harddrive > > space, > > CD burner or DVD burner) they are much closer in price difference than > > you'd > > find in the desktop world. > > > > If you get a Dell, research the extended warranties and get one. > > > > If I were to buy one today I'd look at Toshiba, Sony, and Apple. > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. > > It > > contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named &g! t; > addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or > > disclose > > it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us > > immediately > > and then destroy it. > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 14:45:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8TIhQ009102; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 14:43:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 14:43:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.150] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan" To: Subject: RE: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:43:20 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Sep 2003 18:43:20.0022 (UTC) FILETIME=[8DA8AF60:01C386B9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is different - it's not just a little noisy - the output is completly unusable. bIz -----Original Message----- From: | SquidLoop | [mailto:squidloop@thetentacle.org] Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 11:00 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? I don't know if this has been covered but I don't believe they make Laptops with music performance/recording in mind - hence the noise factor? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 14:48:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8TIgFY08905; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 14:42:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 14:42:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.150] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan" To: Subject: RE: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:42:08 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <001701c38503$44f04920$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Sep 2003 18:42:09.0108 (UTC) FILETIME=[63641140:01C386B9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 7:26 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? Mark, >*SOME* Dell's have a known issue with the grounding of the power supply jack, I've yet to use a dell laptop that didn't exhibit this. However, I have not had a chance to try the 2003 models. >which causes hummmm in the USB audio output. Correction for Mark - It causes this in >all< audio outputs - >including< USB. It's a mystery how this is occuring, since one would assume that a USB port is simply sharing it's earth with the laptop. Ground lifts are no good. I've also tried cutting the ground on a regular audio cable, but it didn't help. > I know for a fact that Latitudes >have this problem, but I can't speak for other models. Has anyone seen a model that >didn't< exhibit this? Otherwise, I think we can assume that they all do it. > Dell is very tight >lipped about the issue, but when pressed, a good tech support person will tell >you that it's a documented problem. No kidding. > The fix? Either use the battery, or put a >3-prong -> 2-prong adapter on the >power supply cord. Has anyone verified this 'fix'? > Someone can probably >explain how that might be dangerous... I'm an electro-peasant, so I don't know. Running an expensive computer in shady clubs and warehouses with archaic wiring, and no ground sounds like a recipe for a fried computer. >Personally, if I was starting from scratch, I wouldn't buy a Dell for audio. I'll second that. Just stay away - we aren't part of their target market. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 14:55:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8TIr3m10474; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 14:53:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 14:53:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:52:57 -0700 Subject: Re: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: a2f8ebb1 aee23e9e 87716673 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <23E5AAC8-F2AE-11D7-B9FE-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, September 29, 2003, at 11:42 AM, Jonathan wrote: > > I'll second that. Just stay away - we aren't part of their target > market. > Hahahaha. Nice. They do loop in stereo though, no? Playing devil's advocate, I started wondering, does any hardware device do what Live does? Just wondering. I still think a laptop may be the best route to do what I'm trying to do, I'm just seeing that most recommended laptops are a bit out of my price range. So far, only HP seems to make one under a grand. Lot's of people rave about the Vaios, but man are they spendy, I might as well buy an Apple. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 15:02:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8TJ05d12828; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:00:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:00:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <23E5AAC8-F2AE-11D7-B9FE-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> References: <23E5AAC8-F2AE-11D7-B9FE-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:59:57 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Shawn Lane Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This has absolutely nothing to do with looping, but it has everything to do with guitar. I just got the news that Shawn Lane died on Friday at age 40. For more info: www.noproblemhere.com. Sorry to intrude, but I'm pretty stunned. The guy was incredible. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 15:19:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8TJGA715185; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:16:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:16:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <6644101.1064862967919.JavaMail.root@beaker.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:15:49 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Blue Reply-To: Blue To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Looper's Delight section: The Looping News Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: <_AcI_.A.EtD.5TIe_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Kim, How do I temp. stop receiving e-mail from loopers delight.com? Thanks, Blue -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint Sent: Sep 28, 2003 10:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New Looper's Delight section: The Looping News Hi Loop fans- I've just finished adding a brand new section to Looper's Delight for news and headlines. http://www.loopers-delight.com/news/news.php This is where I will be putting Looping related news items like new product announcements, special events, cd releases, and whatever else is sent to me in the form of a press release. Visit it daily! Make it your home page! So far I've seeded it with a healthy collection of press releases that have been sent to me over the last couple years by various manufacturers. As I get more I'll put them up. No doubt you will want to check this every single day to make sure you are always up to date on the latest current events in the Looping Universe. Don't feel left out of the conversation at the water cooler! Again, the section is here: http://www.loopers-delight.com/news/news.php You will also find that the home page of the LD site now has a little section showing the latest headlines. You can also go there and do a quick check of what's happening now. http://www.loopers-delight.com/loop.html The Looping News also has the happy happy fun fun comments feature! Feel free to comment on the news articles of the day, offering up your glowing praise and/or libelous diatribes as you see fit! Instead of just sitting there talking at your screen, you can actually let the whole world know what you think! And the world really will care, I promise! Comment away! If you actually have some looping news to report, you may send it in to this address: news@loopers-delight.com (preferably in the form of a press release so I don't actually have to do any work.) If any of you budding journalists would like to do an unpaid internship as a Looper's Delight reporter, let me know. The untempered hyperbole usually found in press releases can get a little silly sometimes. It would be really great to break it up once in a while with some real, honest reporting! Also, it is entirely likely that there is some bug or another in all this. Dealing with php code and javascripts and databases and all that is not exactly my thing, but I think I got it mostly working. Please let me know if something doesn't look right. Enjoy, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com Blue From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 15:27:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8TJOt916637; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:24:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:24:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F78889D.9030409@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 12:31:41 -0700 From: Scott Kungha Drengsen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Shawn Lane References: <23E5AAC8-F2AE-11D7-B9FE-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1CkfDD.A.2DE.HcIe_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually Shawn made use of a Jamman and a DL-4 in a live video of him, Jonas Hellborg,and Jeff Sipe I watched last night (as a memorial.) Jeff Shirkey wrote: > This has absolutely nothing to do with looping, but it has everything > to do with guitar. I just got the news that Shawn Lane died on Friday > at age 40. For more info: www.noproblemhere.com. > > Sorry to intrude, but I'm pretty stunned. The guy was incredible. > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 15:44:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8TJejs19167; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:40:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:40:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <23E5AAC8-F2AE-11D7-B9FE-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> References: <23E5AAC8-F2AE-11D7-B9FE-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 12:40:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: -1 () IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.29 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >On Monday, September 29, 2003, at 11:42 AM, Jonathan wrote: > >> >>I'll second that. Just stay away - we aren't part of their target >>market. >> > >Hahahaha. Nice. They do loop in stereo though, no? > >Playing devil's advocate, I started wondering, does any hardware >device do what Live does? > >Just wondering. I still think a laptop may be the best route to do >what I'm trying to do, I'm just seeing that most recommended laptops >are a bit out of my price range. So far, only HP seems to make one >under a grand. Lot's of people rave about the Vaios, but man are >they spendy, I might as well buy an Apple. > >Mark My Thinkpad was just under a grand at PCConnection.com. It was the only Pentium 4-based laptop I could find for under a grand, and I believe it is an older model. I see now that they have the R32 2G P4 for $1099, if you want to go a little over a grand. Mine is a 1.8G, and it seems to run Live and Reason quite well. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 16:48:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8TKcsS28703; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:38:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:38:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F789863.6020104@biink.com> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:38:59 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: M-Audio Firewire interface (was Looping with a PC laptop... which one?) References: <20030929172134.72733.qmail@web12205.mail.yahoo.com> <009801c386af$f6fbed10$6601010a@BARNEY> In-Reply-To: <009801c386af$f6fbed10$6601010a@BARNEY> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I bought a FW 410 last week and I've done a little bit of recording with it. I haven't had any problems with it. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 16:57:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8TKrR130739; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:53:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:53:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030929135100.00ac7dd8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:56:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP IN/OUT Mod In-Reply-To: References: <200308011602.h71G2xC29478@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:43 PM 9/28/2003, Laurent Brondel wrote: >i own 2 EDPs, one oberheim-branded and one gibson-branded. even though i >changed the IN/OUT capacitors I think you mean resistors.... >on the oberheim -as per kim's EDP pages recommendation-, i am still not >getting the same IN/OUT level as on the gibson. is there a mod to render >them similar? that would be very handy for quick visual setups. is your concern just about the knob positions? Why not just pull the knobs off one and place them back rotated a little so they match in level when the knob indicator is in the same spot? Otherwise, the circuit inside is pretty much the same. Maybe the pots have a different taper or something, I guess that could make a difference. The only other possibility is with the limiter in the newer units. If you have the level turned up too high, you will be hitting the limiter in one and not the other, and that could obviously make them different. If that is the case though, you just have the level turned up too far.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 17:40:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8TLbCO07384; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:37:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:37:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030929143549.03e27958@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 14:40:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP in/out mod In-Reply-To: <1A3yyw-09FKyG0@fwd00.sul.t-online.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:26 AM 9/29/2003, Andreas Willers wrote: >this is not exactly the topic, but I had the audio path of my Obie EDP >modified by Drik Baldringer with very good results: increased treble >response, way better headroom and higher output level to boot. He performs >this mod on stufdio equipment as well with great results..... I find this hard to believe. What sort of magical circuit is he going to add that increases headroom or frequency response without changing the A/D convertors? Is this on the loop audio path or the direct path? I'd really like to know what this modification is. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 17:41:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8TLc6u07720; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:38:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:38:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.150] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan" To: Subject: RE: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 14:38:00 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Sep 2003 21:38:00.0048 (UTC) FILETIME=[F43DBF00:01C386D1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What kind of memory does it use? The very old model P4s came with PC133 style memory - which made them functionally about 1/4 to a 1/2 as fast as an equivalently clocked P4 with enough memory bandwidth - couldn't even compete with a slower clocked P3. Also, is it a Celeron? Again, a performance drop, though nothing like as bad. Otherwise, I'll be looking out for this. Keep in mind guy, if you just want to run Live, you don't need much power at all. Thanks, bIz -----Original Message----- From: Dave Trenkel [mailto:improv@peak.org] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 12:41 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? >On Monday, September 29, 2003, at 11:42 AM, Jonathan wrote: > >> >>I'll second that. Just stay away - we aren't part of their target >>market. >> > >Hahahaha. Nice. They do loop in stereo though, no? > >Playing devil's advocate, I started wondering, does any hardware >device do what Live does? > >Just wondering. I still think a laptop may be the best route to do >what I'm trying to do, I'm just seeing that most recommended laptops >are a bit out of my price range. So far, only HP seems to make one >under a grand. Lot's of people rave about the Vaios, but man are >they spendy, I might as well buy an Apple. > >Mark My Thinkpad was just under a grand at PCConnection.com. It was the only Pentium 4-based laptop I could find for under a grand, and I believe it is an older model. I see now that they have the R32 2G P4 for $1099, if you want to go a little over a grand. Mine is a 1.8G, and it seems to run Live and Reason quite well. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 17:43:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8TLevr08392; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:40:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:40:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.150] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan" To: Subject: The cheap, but heavy laptop alternative... Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 14:40:51 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Sep 2003 21:40:51.0174 (UTC) FILETIME=[5A3D8060:01C386D2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think that my budget just won out over my back muscles. http://www.GearGrip.com Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 17:55:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8TLoME10007; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:50:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:50:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.150] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan" To: Subject: RE: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 14:50:13 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Sep 2003 21:50:13.0726 (UTC) FILETIME=[A98C1FE0:01C386D3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >My Thinkpad was just under a grand at PCConnection.com. It was the >only Pentium 4-based laptop I could find for under a grand, and I >believe it is an older model. I see now that they have the R32 2G P4 >for $1099, if you want to go a little over a grand. Mine is a 1.8G, >and it seems to run Live and Reason quite well. It's a good deal guys, though the Ram is a little light. Check it out: "This model is configured with a 1.8GHz Intel Pentium 4 processor, a 20GB hard drive and 256MB PC2100 DDR SDRAM, expandable to a robust 1024MB. In addition to the 400MHz front bus speed, it features an 8X (max. speed) DVD-ROM drive in the UltraBay Plus and an integrated ATI Mobility Radeon 7000 graphics chipset with 16MB DDR SDRAM that supports resolutions up to 1024 x 768 on the 14.1" TFT display and simultaneous external resolutions up to 1600 x 1200. For your communications needs, it offers a V.92-ready modem and an integrated 10/100 Ethernet connection" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 17:56:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8TLsog10747; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:54:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:54:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.80.72 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:54:45 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c386d4$4ba35550$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h8TLsoU10722 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wanted to reply to this topic for a few days but, my email provider changed some of my settings without letting me know (problem resolved) Alright I wanted to suggest the alternative of using a desktop instead of a laptop. Laptops are almost always obsolete by the time you get them and are a real pain as far as upgrading is concerned. I haven't really tried this but am giving serious consideration to doing this I have some concerns about electrical noise and such. I suppose I could put it in it's own rack that might isolate some of the electrical interferance issues. -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 5:38 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? What kind of memory does it use? The very old model P4s came with PC133 style memory - which made them functionally about 1/4 to a 1/2 as fast as an equivalently clocked P4 with enough memory bandwidth - couldn't even compete with a slower clocked P3. Also, is it a Celeron? Again, a performance drop, though nothing like as bad. Otherwise, I'll be looking out for this. Keep in mind guy, if you just want to run Live, you don't need much power at all. Thanks, bIz -----Original Message----- From: Dave Trenkel [mailto:improv@peak.org] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 12:41 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? >On Monday, September 29, 2003, at 11:42 AM, Jonathan wrote: > >> >>I'll second that. Just stay away - we aren't part of their target >>market. >> > >Hahahaha. Nice. They do loop in stereo though, no? > >Playing devil's advocate, I started wondering, does any hardware device >do what Live does? > >Just wondering. I still think a laptop may be the best route to do >what I'm trying to do, I'm just seeing that most recommended laptops >are a bit out of my price range. So far, only HP seems to make one >under a grand. Lot's of people rave about the Vaios, but man are they >spendy, I might as well buy an Apple. > >Mark My Thinkpad was just under a grand at PCConnection.com. It was the only Pentium 4-based laptop I could find for under a grand, and I believe it is an older model. I see now that they have the R32 2G P4 for $1099, if you want to go a little over a grand. Mine is a 1.8G, and it seems to run Live and Reason quite well. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 18:05:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8TM30F13444; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:03:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:03:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:02:54 -0700 Subject: Re: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 77d5a951 aee23e9e 87716673 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000901c386d4$4ba35550$0200a8c0@akadev.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No way. I have a nice desktop, and that's where it will stay. On my desk. Part of the reason for the laptop is to have next to nothing to carry. Mark On Monday, September 29, 2003, at 02:54 PM, Alan Kroeger wrote: > I wanted to reply to this topic for a few days but, my email provider > changed some of my settings without letting me know (problem resolved) > Alright I wanted to suggest the alternative of using a desktop instead > of a > laptop. Laptops are almost always obsolete by the time you get them > and are > a real pain as far as upgrading is concerned. I haven't really tried > this > but am giving serious consideration to doing this I have some concerns > about > electrical noise and such. I suppose I could put it in it's own rack > that > might isolate some of the electrical interferance issues. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com] > Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 5:38 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? > > > > What kind of memory does it use? The very old model P4s came with PC133 > style memory - which made them functionally about 1/4 to a 1/2 as fast > as an > equivalently clocked P4 with enough memory bandwidth - couldn't even > compete > with a slower clocked P3. Also, is it a Celeron? Again, a performance > drop, > though nothing like as bad. Otherwise, I'll be looking out for this. > > Keep in mind guy, if you just want to run Live, you don't need much > power at > all. > > Thanks, > > bIz > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Trenkel [mailto:improv@peak.org] > Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 12:41 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? > > >> On Monday, September 29, 2003, at 11:42 AM, Jonathan wrote: >> >>> >>> I'll second that. Just stay away - we aren't part of their target >>> market. >>> >> >> Hahahaha. Nice. They do loop in stereo though, no? >> >> Playing devil's advocate, I started wondering, does any hardware >> device >> do what Live does? >> >> Just wondering. I still think a laptop may be the best route to do >> what I'm trying to do, I'm just seeing that most recommended laptops >> are a bit out of my price range. So far, only HP seems to make one >> under a grand. Lot's of people rave about the Vaios, but man are they >> spendy, I might as well buy an Apple. >> >> Mark > > My Thinkpad was just under a grand at PCConnection.com. It was the > only Pentium 4-based laptop I could find for under a grand, and I > believe it is an older model. I see now that they have the R32 2G P4 > for $1099, if you want to go a little over a grand. Mine is a 1.8G, > and it seems to run Live and Reason quite well. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 18:20:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8TMI4G16000; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:18:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:18:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.80.72 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:17:40 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c386d7$7efac480$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h8TMHiU15916 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Honestly I bought this Unit for use in Audio production and processing but, I am still not brave enough to be fully dependent on it just yet. Staying at home it has established to my satifaction that the system is reliable enough. I of coarse have not yet thrown it around or transported it from place to place. It's configured with a gig of memory 2ghz processor and currently using the M-Audio Audiophile 2496 (I only wanted two in and out plus MIDI in/out) Running Windows 2000 server (I tried to do it with Linux but, I ended up getting pissed of so I hung up that idea, wrong audio card RME would have worked). I was thinking about mounting it in a small rack case with a 12 inch flatscreen monitor (I have that in storage) -----Original Message----- From: msottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 6:03 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? No way. I have a nice desktop, and that's where it will stay. On my desk. Part of the reason for the laptop is to have next to nothing to carry. Mark On Monday, September 29, 2003, at 02:54 PM, Alan Kroeger wrote: > I wanted to reply to this topic for a few days but, my email provider > changed some of my settings without letting me know (problem resolved) > Alright I wanted to suggest the alternative of using a desktop instead > of a laptop. Laptops are almost always obsolete by the time you get > them and are > a real pain as far as upgrading is concerned. I haven't really tried > this > but am giving serious consideration to doing this I have some concerns > about > electrical noise and such. I suppose I could put it in it's own rack > that > might isolate some of the electrical interferance issues. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com] > Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 5:38 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? > > > > What kind of memory does it use? The very old model P4s came with > PC133 style memory - which made them functionally about 1/4 to a 1/2 > as fast as an equivalently clocked P4 with enough memory bandwidth - > couldn't even compete > with a slower clocked P3. Also, is it a Celeron? Again, a performance > drop, > though nothing like as bad. Otherwise, I'll be looking out for this. > > Keep in mind guy, if you just want to run Live, you don't need much > power at > all. > > Thanks, > > bIz > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Trenkel [mailto:improv@peak.org] > Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 12:41 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? > > >> On Monday, September 29, 2003, at 11:42 AM, Jonathan wrote: >> >>> >>> I'll second that. Just stay away - we aren't part of their target >>> market. >>> >> >> Hahahaha. Nice. They do loop in stereo though, no? >> >> Playing devil's advocate, I started wondering, does any hardware >> device >> do what Live does? >> >> Just wondering. I still think a laptop may be the best route to do >> what I'm trying to do, I'm just seeing that most recommended laptops >> are a bit out of my price range. So far, only HP seems to make one >> under a grand. Lot's of people rave about the Vaios, but man are >> they spendy, I might as well buy an Apple. >> >> Mark > > My Thinkpad was just under a grand at PCConnection.com. It was the > only Pentium 4-based laptop I could find for under a grand, and I > believe it is an older model. I see now that they have the R32 2G P4 > for $1099, if you want to go a little over a grand. Mine is a 1.8G, > and it seems to run Live and Reason quite well. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 18:24:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8TMLg416589; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:21:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:21:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:21:40 -0400 Subject: Re: EDP IN/OUT Mod Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Laurent Brondel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200309292156.h8TLuaE11198@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: <4C27B113-F2CB-11D7-A148-003065B85F3C@megalink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h8TMLfU16565 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, September 29, 2003, at 05:56 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: Kim Flint > Date: Mon Sep 29, 2003 4:56:38 PM US/Eastern > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: EDP IN/OUT Mod > > > At 02:43 PM 9/28/2003, Laurent Brondel wrote: >> i own 2 EDPs, one oberheim-branded and one gibson-branded. even >> though i changed the IN/OUT capacitors > > I think you mean resistors.... yes, that's what i meant… >> on the oberheim -as per kim's EDP pages recommendation-, i am still >> not getting the same IN/OUT level as on the gibson. is there a mod to >> render them similar? that would be very handy for quick visual >> setups. > > is your concern just about the knob positions? Why not just pull the > knobs off one and place them back rotated a little so they match in > level when the knob indicator is in the same spot? i didn't think of that, thanks. to get the same input level the oberheim is at 9:00 and the gibson at 12:00, pretty drastic. > Otherwise, the circuit inside is pretty much the same. Maybe the pots > have a different taper or something, I guess that could make a > difference. the taper is definitely different. > The only other possibility is with the limiter in the newer units. If > you have the level turned up too high, you will be hitting the limiter > in one and not the other, and that could obviously make them > different. If that is the case though, you just have the level turned > up too far.... when the levels are adjusted well, both units sound identical. but it takes some time to re-adjust the knobs to the 'sweet' spot, so i guess the taper of the pots affects how the limiter is going to interact. kim, how are the new blackface EDPs? do they retain the same A/D-D/A converters and same preamps? or are they improved versions of the whiteface EDPs? thanks, laurent From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 18:45:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8TMgRt20506; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:42:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:42:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: repeater trade. Message-ID: <1064874851.3f78b36358408@www.correo.unam.mx> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:34:11 -0500 (CDT) From: smaug@servidor.unam.mx MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.8 X-Originating-IP: 212.195.214.213 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi everyone, I know this is a long shot but I'd like to trade my repeater for an EDP or a TC Electronics 2290 Digital Delay if interested please respond off list. Thanx! Andy ------------------------------------------------- Obtén tu correo en www.correo.unam.mx UNAMonos Comunicándonos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 19:14:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8TNC3S27606; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:12:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:12:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Mike Barrs" To: Subject: RE: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:13:51 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000901c386d4$4ba35550$0200a8c0@akadev.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-Loop-Detect: 1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Alan Kroeger [mailto:nospam@developsolutions.com] > > I wanted to reply to this topic for a few days but, my email provider > changed some of my settings without letting me know (problem resolved) > Alright I wanted to suggest the alternative of using a desktop > instead of a > laptop. Laptops are almost always obsolete by the time you get > them and are > a real pain as far as upgrading is concerned. I haven't really tried this > but am giving serious consideration to doing this I have some > concerns about > electrical noise and such. I suppose I could put it in it's own rack that > might isolate some of the electrical interferance issues. I use a rackmount Carillon in my home recording studio: http://www.carillonusa.com/ Very solid, very stable. I've had mine for a year and a half with zero problems. Kinda heavy though. Close to dead silent (although that wouldn't matter so much for live gigs). It's sitting just below a rackmount unit that has my recording A/D and D/A converters, and I'm getting no RF leakage at all. You'd want to use it with an LCD screen, otherwise a CRT will generate too much RF. That said, if I was putting together a live rig with a computer and didn't have cartage, so I had to schlep everything myself, I'd definitely go with a laptop rig for the light weight, compact size, and integrated display. Rackmount PC's only make sense to me for maybe big stadium shows, or permanent installations. Laptops are powerful enough now, and you can get nice (but expensive) interfaces like the RME stuff for extremely low latency. I've used an older laptop (IBM Thinkpad) for several years in an astronomy hobby where we dragged it out into remote outdoor locations, usually getting it covered with dew before the night was over. It takes a licking and keeps on ticking. If it can survive that, it can survive live gigging... although if I was getting *paid* to gig, I'd have another laptop as a backup. Anyway, just thought I'd mention the Carillon in case anyone is thinking rackmount. This is more expensive than putting one together yourself, but it's a great off-the-shelf solution. I got one of their bare bones models (PC Cores) to hold the price down. Mike Barrs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 19:28:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8TNOkb29292; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:24:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:24:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <108.2710ef37.2caa191f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:24:15 EDT Subject: Re: Shawn Lane To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_108.2710ef37.2caa191f_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: <1OX-WB.A.jJH.-8Le_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_108.2710ef37.2caa191f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit definitely a loss. i loved everything i heard of him w/ bassist jonas hellborg. =-l PJ --part1_108.2710ef37.2caa191f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable definitely a loss. i loved=20= everything i heard of him w/ bassist jonas hellborg. =3D-l PJ= --part1_108.2710ef37.2caa191f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 19:34:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8TNW2w30619; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:32:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:32:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.80.72 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:31:56 -0400 Message-ID: <001401c386e1$dfb80ad0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h8TNW2U30596 Resent-Message-ID: <6YIXR.A.TeH.yDMe_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nice stuff, my desktop is a small form factor with just enough space to put a standard small PCI card (not more then that) I was thinking if I liked it and thought it was reliable enough that I would strip it out of the existing Dell Desktop case and install into something (fabricated of coarse) along the lines of a fully enclosed rack server case just for better shielding. I was thinking of putting it into this already filled DJ shuttle I have but, then I got concerned about shielding. So, I might install it into a 2 or 4 U case for isolation. It wouldn't be that much more then I already have. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Barrs [mailto:mbarrs@nightviewer.com] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 7:14 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? > From: Alan Kroeger [mailto:nospam@developsolutions.com] > > I wanted to reply to this topic for a few days but, my email provider > changed some of my settings without letting me know (problem resolved) > Alright I wanted to suggest the alternative of using a desktop instead > of a laptop. Laptops are almost always obsolete by the time you get > them and are > a real pain as far as upgrading is concerned. I haven't really tried this > but am giving serious consideration to doing this I have some > concerns about > electrical noise and such. I suppose I could put it in it's own rack that > might isolate some of the electrical interferance issues. I use a rackmount Carillon in my home recording studio: http://www.carillonusa.com/ Very solid, very stable. I've had mine for a year and a half with zero problems. Kinda heavy though. Close to dead silent (although that wouldn't matter so much for live gigs). It's sitting just below a rackmount unit that has my recording A/D and D/A converters, and I'm getting no RF leakage at all. You'd want to use it with an LCD screen, otherwise a CRT will generate too much RF. That said, if I was putting together a live rig with a computer and didn't have cartage, so I had to schlep everything myself, I'd definitely go with a laptop rig for the light weight, compact size, and integrated display. Rackmount PC's only make sense to me for maybe big stadium shows, or permanent installations. Laptops are powerful enough now, and you can get nice (but expensive) interfaces like the RME stuff for extremely low latency. I've used an older laptop (IBM Thinkpad) for several years in an astronomy hobby where we dragged it out into remote outdoor locations, usually getting it covered with dew before the night was over. It takes a licking and keeps on ticking. If it can survive that, it can survive live gigging... although if I was getting *paid* to gig, I'd have another laptop as a backup. Anyway, just thought I'd mention the Carillon in case anyone is thinking rackmount. This is more expensive than putting one together yourself, but it's a great off-the-shelf solution. I got one of their bare bones models (PC Cores) to hold the price down. Mike Barrs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 19:44:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8TNf2231847; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:41:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:41:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.150] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan" To: Subject: RE: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:40:46 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Sep 2003 23:40:46.0150 (UTC) FILETIME=[1AC7B660:01C386E3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Another issue to keep in mind with laptops - they are built for road abuse. Your home pc is built to sit in a corner. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Mike Barrs [mailto:mbarrs@nightviewer.com] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 4:14 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? > From: Alan Kroeger [mailto:nospam@developsolutions.com] > > I wanted to reply to this topic for a few days but, my email provider > changed some of my settings without letting me know (problem resolved) > Alright I wanted to suggest the alternative of using a desktop instead > of a laptop. Laptops are almost always obsolete by the time you get > them and are > a real pain as far as upgrading is concerned. I haven't really tried this > but am giving serious consideration to doing this I have some > concerns about > electrical noise and such. I suppose I could put it in it's own rack that > might isolate some of the electrical interferance issues. I use a rackmount Carillon in my home recording studio: http://www.carillonusa.com/ Very solid, very stable. I've had mine for a year and a half with zero problems. Kinda heavy though. Close to dead silent (although that wouldn't matter so much for live gigs). It's sitting just below a rackmount unit that has my recording A/D and D/A converters, and I'm getting no RF leakage at all. You'd want to use it with an LCD screen, otherwise a CRT will generate too much RF. That said, if I was putting together a live rig with a computer and didn't have cartage, so I had to schlep everything myself, I'd definitely go with a laptop rig for the light weight, compact size, and integrated display. Rackmount PC's only make sense to me for maybe big stadium shows, or permanent installations. Laptops are powerful enough now, and you can get nice (but expensive) interfaces like the RME stuff for extremely low latency. I've used an older laptop (IBM Thinkpad) for several years in an astronomy hobby where we dragged it out into remote outdoor locations, usually getting it covered with dew before the night was over. It takes a licking and keeps on ticking. If it can survive that, it can survive live gigging... although if I was getting *paid* to gig, I'd have another laptop as a backup. Anyway, just thought I'd mention the Carillon in case anyone is thinking rackmount. This is more expensive than putting one together yourself, but it's a great off-the-shelf solution. I got one of their bare bones models (PC Cores) to hold the price down. Mike Barrs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 19:56:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8TNpxI01531; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:51:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:51:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030929164800.03e27aa0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:55:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP IN/OUT Mod In-Reply-To: <4C27B113-F2CB-11D7-A148-003065B85F3C@megalink.net> References: <200309292156.h8TLuaE11198@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:21 PM 9/29/2003, Laurent Brondel wrote: >>The only other possibility is with the limiter in the newer units. If you >>have the level turned up too high, you will be hitting the limiter in one >>and not the other, and that could obviously make them different. If that >>is the case though, you just have the level turned up too far.... > >when the levels are adjusted well, both units sound identical. but it >takes some time to re-adjust the knobs to the 'sweet' spot, so i guess the >taper of the pots affects how the limiter is going to interact. It might affect where you hit the limiter, but if the levels are not too high you don't hit the limiter at all so it has no effect then. >kim, how are the new blackface EDPs? do they retain the same A/D-D/A >converters and same preamps? or are they improved versions of the >whiteface EDPs? same basic parts and circuit, but I think they are built with much better quality. The pots are probably better, although the older ones were often built with good pots as well. They have a new PCB that makes the noise floor slightly quieter, although in practice I think it is nearly impossible to hear that when the levels are set properly. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 20:06:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8U03W804602; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:03:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:03:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.80.72 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:03:27 -0400 Message-ID: <001c01c386e6$464e1bf0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h8U03WU04580 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes that could be a problem and I haven't quite resolved all my own issues concerning shock to the system but, after three really nice laptops I still feel like they are really only good for two things. One) typing scripts on the train and two) transporting files from one site to another that you can't move over the internet for one reason or the other (security issues and I have broken that rule more then a few times :) ) -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 7:41 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? Another issue to keep in mind with laptops - they are built for road abuse. Your home pc is built to sit in a corner. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Mike Barrs [mailto:mbarrs@nightviewer.com] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 4:14 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? > From: Alan Kroeger [mailto:nospam@developsolutions.com] > > I wanted to reply to this topic for a few days but, my email provider > changed some of my settings without letting me know (problem resolved) > Alright I wanted to suggest the alternative of using a desktop instead > of a laptop. Laptops are almost always obsolete by the time you get > them and are a real pain as far as upgrading is concerned. I haven't > really tried this > but am giving serious consideration to doing this I have some concerns > about electrical noise and such. I suppose I could put it in it's own > rack that > might isolate some of the electrical interferance issues. I use a rackmount Carillon in my home recording studio: http://www.carillonusa.com/ Very solid, very stable. I've had mine for a year and a half with zero problems. Kinda heavy though. Close to dead silent (although that wouldn't matter so much for live gigs). It's sitting just below a rackmount unit that has my recording A/D and D/A converters, and I'm getting no RF leakage at all. You'd want to use it with an LCD screen, otherwise a CRT will generate too much RF. That said, if I was putting together a live rig with a computer and didn't have cartage, so I had to schlep everything myself, I'd definitely go with a laptop rig for the light weight, compact size, and integrated display. Rackmount PC's only make sense to me for maybe big stadium shows, or permanent installations. Laptops are powerful enough now, and you can get nice (but expensive) interfaces like the RME stuff for extremely low latency. I've used an older laptop (IBM Thinkpad) for several years in an astronomy hobby where we dragged it out into remote outdoor locations, usually getting it covered with dew before the night was over. It takes a licking and keeps on ticking. If it can survive that, it can survive live gigging... although if I was getting *paid* to gig, I'd have another laptop as a backup. Anyway, just thought I'd mention the Carillon in case anyone is thinking rackmount. This is more expensive than putting one together yourself, but it's a great off-the-shelf solution. I got one of their bare bones models (PC Cores) to hold the price down. Mike Barrs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 20:16:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8U0BZF06011; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:11:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:11:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030930001100.39586.qmail@web40308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:11:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: The PCKT: It's true... (& the vowels have been omitted to save space!!!) To: evanmeyers@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's true... THE POCKET are playing two trailblazing, genre-busting, mouth watering shows this month! 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Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 20:16:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8U0FLO06549; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:15:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:15:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.150] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan" To: Subject: RE: EDP IN/OUT Mod Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:15:16 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030929135100.00ac7dd8@loopers-delight.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Sep 2003 00:15:15.0343 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC1D81F0:01C386E7] Resent-Message-ID: <2tSci.A.NmB.ZsMe_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I read an interview with Jimi Hendrix's tech guy, who had to re-wire the middle eq pot on his marshall stack, because Hendrix preferred his sound with the center scooped, but wouldn't play unless all the knobs were set at full... bIz -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 1:57 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP IN/OUT Mod At 02:43 PM 9/28/2003, Laurent Brondel wrote: >i own 2 EDPs, one oberheim-branded and one gibson-branded. even though >i >changed the IN/OUT capacitors I think you mean resistors.... >on the oberheim -as per kim's EDP pages recommendation-, i am still not >getting the same IN/OUT level as on the gibson. is there a mod to render >them similar? that would be very handy for quick visual setups. is your concern just about the knob positions? Why not just pull the knobs off one and place them back rotated a little so they match in level when the knob indicator is in the same spot? Otherwise, the circuit inside is pretty much the same. Maybe the pots have a different taper or something, I guess that could make a difference. The only other possibility is with the limiter in the newer units. If you have the level turned up too high, you will be hitting the limiter in one and not the other, and that could obviously make them different. If that is the case though, you just have the level turned up too far.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 20:21:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8U0HQw07106; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:17:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:17:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.150] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan" To: Subject: RE: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:17:21 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Sep 2003 00:17:20.0627 (UTC) FILETIME=[36CA5430:01C386E8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Keep in mind guy, if you just want to run Live, you don't need much power at all. That should be guys - it was meant for everyone. Running 4 or so tracks of audio from memory at once is relatively trivial for modern pcs. Isn't progress wonderful? I'll even give jet my jet boots for this one. bIz -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 2:38 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? What kind of memory does it use? The very old model P4s came with PC133 style memory - which made them functionally about 1/4 to a 1/2 as fast as an equivalently clocked P4 with enough memory bandwidth - couldn't even compete with a slower clocked P3. Also, is it a Celeron? Again, a performance drop, though nothing like as bad. Otherwise, I'll be looking out for this. Keep in mind guy, if you just want to run Live, you don't need much power at all. Thanks, bIz -----Original Message----- From: Dave Trenkel [mailto:improv@peak.org] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 12:41 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? >On Monday, September 29, 2003, at 11:42 AM, Jonathan wrote: > >> >>I'll second that. Just stay away - we aren't part of their target >>market. >> > >Hahahaha. Nice. They do loop in stereo though, no? > >Playing devil's advocate, I started wondering, does any hardware device >do what Live does? > >Just wondering. I still think a laptop may be the best route to do >what I'm trying to do, I'm just seeing that most recommended laptops >are a bit out of my price range. So far, only HP seems to make one >under a grand. Lot's of people rave about the Vaios, but man are they >spendy, I might as well buy an Apple. > >Mark My Thinkpad was just under a grand at PCConnection.com. It was the only Pentium 4-based laptop I could find for under a grand, and I believe it is an older model. I see now that they have the R32 2G P4 for $1099, if you want to go a little over a grand. Mine is a 1.8G, and it seems to run Live and Reason quite well. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 20:31:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8U0NYH08287; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:23:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:23:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030929182752.007c1c50@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:27:52 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: repeater trade. In-Reply-To: <1064874851.3f78b36358408@www.correo.unam.mx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I did the same thing with one of my former Repeaters, and am soooo glad I did! -Best of luck... Smiles, Cara --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Thurs. 9.25.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 20:35:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8U0WN109742; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:32:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:32:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011601c386fb$1a0feb30$0200a8c0@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: Subject: Re: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:32:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com We've been over this ground before. The last time I suggested a rackmounted desktop PC on this list as an alternative to a laptop I got no love from anyone. It's true that if you move a desktop PC around shit inside it comes loose. Nothing in it is really going to *break*, unless you drop it, but it will come loose just enough so that shit doesn't work, or works intermittently, which is no good for something you rely on in a live setting. However, I think if you have the time beforehand to open the PC up and re-seat, or just give a checking over to all the cards, power connectors, IDE cables, RAM, etc. it might be viable. They make cases now for the PC enthusiast which are very easy to get open in a hurry. A rackmount case is going to be more of a pain, if it's in a rack and there's stuff racked on top of it. Project idea: Try building an ATX chassis into a nice aluminum or steel rack drawer so you can just pull it out and check out the insides whenever you feel like it. Also, would look cool on stage if you put case lights in it and stuff. I don't know anything about the noise results from lights and ground loops with laptop vs. desktop. It seems like that would depend mostly on your audio interface's breakout box shielding, where it was mounted in your rack, and the condition of the power being supplied to it from the wall. I would say that if you're going to take any electronic gear that's worth anything out into a dingy club and plug it in, buy a good power conditioner/surge protector so it doesn't get cooked, or go haywire, when someone uses the microwave in the breakroom, which is on the same 15 amp breaker the club's light show, and your $8000 rig is on. If you're poor and you mean it, then drag that desktop computer out with its Megadeth sticker on the side, and that 13" CRT monitor, and show people the beauty of gutter tech. I just pulled a monitor off the street this afternoon. A kid was hitting it with a crowbar. I'll sell it to you for $30. http://www.neoprimitive.net/jlucas/tmp/Picture%2020.jpg -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 20:41:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8U0bxK10586; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:37:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:37:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 02:37:17 +0200 Subject: RE: RE: EDP in/out mod From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3147734237_375621_MIME_Part" Message-ID: <1A48WR-0OO7wO0@fwd11.sul.t-online.com> X-Seen: false X-ID: rCO3ziZTYe8AxJHzSj2DKEX-2AvyHNnhutdPPSmmC5R1p-jE+L6e0p Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > DIESE NACHRICHT IST IN MIME-FORMAT. Da Ihr Mailreader dieses Format nicht unterstŸtzt, kšnnte diese Nachricht ganz oder teilweise unlesbar sein. --MS_Mac_OE_3147734237_375621_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit At 07:26 AM 9/29/2003, Andreas Willers wrote: >this is not exactly the topic, but I had the audio path of my Obie EDP >modified by Drik Baldringer with very good results: increased treble >response, way better headroom and higher output level to boot. He performs >this mod on stufdio equipment as well with great results..... Kim wrote: I find this hard to believe. What sort of magical circuit is he going to add that increases headroom or frequency response without changing the A/D convertors? Is this on the loop audio path or the direct path? I'd really like to know what this modification is. Hi Kim, Dirk Baldringer is a widely respected analog/digital tech and recording engineer in the Cologne area in Germany. He is the only tech I know that is so knowlageable with tube amps that Marshall Amps wanted to hire him (he turned them down because he didn't want to move and ended up designing a model for Hughes & Kettner, they are close by) and at the same time he knows digital stuff almost as well. He made a certain discovery some years ago that increases the frequency response and headroom of digital effects units. He told me it works on the analog side of A/D and D/A conversion and he modified my t.c.electronic G-Force multieffect and the EDP after I repeatedly had complained to him that the sonic quality of these devices did not match that of the t.c. 2290 delay I had used previously. Of course I do not know much more about it, there are a couple of new chips in my boxes and I certainly do hear a change for the better with this mod. t.c. strongly endorses the integrity of the original signal in the G-Force (one of the most expensive guitar effect boxes around), but they really made some compromises in comparison to the 2290. On the EDP it used to be hard to set the levels right with regards to clipping and the overall sound quality was less than prestine. I posted this on LD before and DT immediately asked me for Dirk's contact, although he doesn't send the original through the EDP, he was just turned off by the lack of output level he gets out of his. Anyway, Dirk isn't into marketing that much, but he produced a small line of rack gear that incorporates his idea. It's called the "effects legalizer", a lot of studio/rock players in central Europe have one in their "fridge". I was glad that he put mine directly into the effects themselves, saved me space and money. Besides that I can give you no more information; I could only guess that possibly he changes the freq. rolloff towards the sampling frequency?!? Best, Andreas --MS_Mac_OE_3147734237_375621_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable RE: RE: EDP in/out mod At 07:26 AM 9/29/2003, Andreas Willers wrote:
>this is not exactly the topic, but I had the audio path of my Obie EDP =
>modified by Drik Baldringer with very good results: increased treble >response, way better headroom and higher output level to boot. He perfo= rms
>this mod on stufdio equipment as well with great results.....

Kim wrote:
I find this hard to believe. What sort of magical circuit is he going to add that increases headroom or frequency response without changing the A/D =
convertors? Is this on the loop audio path or the direct path? I'd really <= BR> like to know what this modification is.

Hi Kim,

Dirk Baldringer is a widely respected analog/digital tech and recording eng= ineer in the Cologne area in Germany. He is the only tech I know that is so = knowlageable with tube amps that Marshall Amps wanted to hire him (he turned= them down because he didn't want to move and ended up designing a model for= Hughes & Kettner, they are close by) and at the same time he knows digi= tal stuff almost as well. He made a certain discovery some years ago that in= creases the frequency response and headroom of digital effects units. He tol= d me it works on the analog side of A/D and D/A conversion and he modified m= y t.c.electronic G-Force multieffect and the EDP after I repeatedly had comp= lained to him that the sonic quality of these devices did not match that of = the t.c. 2290 delay I had used previously.

Of course I do not know much more about it, there are a couple of new chips= in my boxes and I certainly do hear a change for the better with this mod. = t.c. strongly endorses the integrity of the original signal in the G-Force (= one of the most expensive guitar effect boxes around), but they really made = some compromises in comparison to the 2290. On the EDP it used to be hard to= set the levels right with regards to clipping and the overall sound quality= was less than prestine. I posted this on LD before and DT immediately asked= me for Dirk's contact, although he doesn't send the original through the ED= P, he was just turned off by the lack of output level he gets out of his.
Anyway, Dirk isn't into marketing that much, but he produced a small line o= f rack gear that incorporates his idea. It's called the "effects legali= zer", a lot of studio/rock players in central Europe have one in their = "fridge". I was glad that he put mine directly into the effects th= emselves, saved me space and money. Besides that I can give you no more info= rmation; I could only guess that possibly he changes the freq. rolloff towar= ds the sampling frequency?!?

Best, Andreas --MS_Mac_OE_3147734237_375621_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 20:59:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8U0ttj13515; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:55:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:55:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:55:49 -0700 Subject: Re: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 743d0d14 aee23e9e 87716673 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <011601c386fb$1a0feb30$0200a8c0@amd> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <6ImQGC.A.DTD.bSNe_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, September 29, 2003, at 07:32 PM, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > We've been over this ground before. The last time I suggested a > rackmounted > desktop PC on this list as an alternative to a laptop I got no love > from > anyone. Well, maybe I should have given more background about why I want a laptop. I've been hauling around a full Repeater based looping rig for some time now. It takes a 6 space rack and a separate drum machine to make it work, not to mention my guitar. I try to play places where I can go direct into the PA so I can avoid bringing amplification. This works well in lots of forums. Small spaces, cafes, and the occasional loopfest. However, I find that a lot of the small bar and rave/party situations I play are geared for DJs and put on by DJs. I see them cringe when I walk in with multiple trips worth of gear. Also, when you play electronic music before or after a DJ (and by that I mean someone who just plays tracks from CDs with some crossfade), you might as well hold up a sign that says, "That person wishes they were talented enough to be a musician." I'm sure this is a generalization, but I have to wonder why the places that consistently ask me back are run by musicians who DJ as well. So my idea is basically to come in and DJ, but use my own material. Loops created with POLAR and the Repeater but played back by Live synced to an E-MU XL-7 Command Station. I'm even starting to wonder if I'd need the XL-7 as I find out how deep the functionality of Ableton's Live is. This rig would fit in a backpack and take less than 10 min to set up. I could wear it while I stay for the rest of the show, as opposed to now where I have to break down and leave as soon as I'm done. (can't leave gear in a car...) That's why I'm looking for a laptop. Rack-mounted PCs are sweet, but I'm going for stealth and speed. I loose flexibility, but hopefully it will still be fun playing live sound collage with my prerecorded material. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 21:55:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8U1p0l22650; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 21:51:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 21:51:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:49:20 -0700 Subject: Re:hendrix tech guy. was( EDP IN/OUT Mod) From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oh my biz, very interesting @ least to me-i try to see everything on JIMI since the early days and dont remember this particular thing. questions: who tech guy? do you mean roger mayer or eddie kramer or? where did you see this? is it available on line? thanx s > > I read an interview with Jimi Hendrix's tech guy, who had to re-wire the > middle eq pot on his marshall stack, because Hendrix preferred his sound > with the center scooped, but wouldn't play unless all the knobs were set > at full... > > bIz > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 22:03:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8U20PE25441; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 22:00:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 22:00:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030929204811.02d4e490@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:59:32 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? In-Reply-To: References: <011601c386fb$1a0feb30$0200a8c0@amd> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:55 PM 9/29/2003 -0700, msottilaro wrote: >That's why I'm looking for a laptop. Rack-mounted PCs are sweet, but I'm >going for stealth and speed. I loose flexibility, but hopefully it will >still be fun playing live sound collage with my prerecorded material. Mark, What you're going for sounds way kewl, but I'm wondering if you might be wandering into oversize/overkill with some of the available options. Since you seem to place a high priority on 'fast & light', I'd look at one of the smaller notebooks (aside: heck, has anybody tried running Ableton on a palmtop yet?). And given the fact that you've expressed some interest in both the Apple PowerBook and the Sony Vaio, I'm wondering if you might be able to find something suitable for less dinero on the used/refurbished market. The Vaio's been around for quite a while and has been a good piece of gear pretty much since its inception. And you can get one of the tiny G3 iBooks that's been factory-refurbed for a decent amount of money too. Depends on your desired platform/poison. However, bleeding edge laptops are probably just going to have most of their market value evaporate. So why not consider something a bit behind the curve, which will better fall into your price range and still do an admirable job supporting your apps? -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 22:36:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8U2S7U29194; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 22:28:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 22:28:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1d0.119813ac.2caa4427@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 22:27:51 EDT Subject: Re: Shawn Lane To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h8U2S7U29171 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for relaying the news, In a message dated 9/29/03 12:00:25 PM, jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu writes: >This has absolutely nothing to do with looping, but it has everything >to do with guitar. I just got the news that Shawn Lane died on Friday >at age 40. For more info: www.noproblemhere.com. > >Sorry to intrude, but I'm pretty stunned. The guy was incredible. I never cared for his debut solo record "Powers of 10" but his more recent, world music influenced stuff with Jonas Hellborg is stellar. I saw him play his butt off at an Anaheim NAMM show some years back and was simply blown away. I like to think of myself as one who is not greatly impressed by displays of extreme technique . . . but Shawn Lane was something else. I was sorry to hear the news. BTW, I think he may have done a little looping on Michael Shrieve's "Two Doors" . . . another great disc that also features guitarist (and looper) Bill Frisell on half of the tracks. That's one I'd highly recommend to anyone interested. Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 29 22:38:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8U2bBE30482; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 22:37:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 22:37:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030930023709.76794.qmail@web12203.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:37:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Balestreri Subject: unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030930001100.39586.qmail@web40308.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <-DrlPB.A.HcH.XxOe_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Evan Meyers wrote: > It's true... THE POCKET are playing two > trailblazing, > genre-busting, mouth watering shows this month! > > October 2, 2003 - Thursday > B3 (downstairs) > Ave. B and 3rd Street > 11pm > TWO SETS > > October 18th, 2003 - Saturday > CB's Gallery (upstairs) > 315 Bowery (between 1st and 2nd Street) > 10pm > ONE SET > > > - The PCKT > > Check the site: www.geocities.com/riftkid > > To unsubscribe, reply to this message with > UNSUBSCRIBE > in the subject line. > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > ===== _______________________________________________________ Check out my new live music project and CD at www.metaman.us! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 30 00:17:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8U4FMs12609; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 00:15:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 00:15:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1d0.119813ac.2caa4427@aol.com> References: <1d0.119813ac.2caa4427@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 23:15:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Shawn Lane Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >I never cared for his debut solo record "Powers of 10" but his more >recent, world music influenced stuff with Jonas Hellborg is stellar. Yeah, that's basically how I feel too. I had renewed interest in his playing thanks to some live shows (w/ Hellborg and Sipe) I picked up in the last year or so. I was thinking he had some great music ahead of him. Pretty sad. Thanks for your comments. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 30 00:26:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8U4OeP14084; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 00:24:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 00:24:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 21:24:38 -0700 Subject: Re: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030929204811.02d4e490@spamarrest.com> Message-Id: <010E3F9E-F2FE-11D7-A8CD-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <_UFoE.A.8bD.IWQe_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, September 29, 2003, at 06:59 PM, Catilyne wrote: > And you can get one of the tiny G3 iBooks that's been factory-refurbed > for a decent amount of money too. Depends on your desired > platform/poison. > > However, bleeding edge laptops are probably just going to have most of > their market value evaporate. So why not consider something a bit > behind the curve, which will better fall into your price range and > still do an admirable job supporting your apps? > I'm thinking along those exact lines. If anyone sees a good deal on a TiBook or Vaio, let me know. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 30 00:37:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8U4Z9I17688; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 00:35:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 00:35:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.150.174.238] X-Originating-Email: [mucero@msn.com] From: "Amy Mucero" To: References: <20030930023709.76794.qmail@web12203.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 21:35:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C386D1.8C03C510" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 21:35:05 -0700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Sep 2003 04:35:02.0710 (UTC) FILETIME=[36E8F560:01C3870C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C386D1.8C03C510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joe Balestreri=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 7:37 PM Subject: unsubscribe --- Evan Meyers wrote: > It's true... THE POCKET are playing two > trailblazing, > genre-busting, mouth watering shows this month! >=20 > October 2, 2003 - Thursday > B3 (downstairs) > Ave. B and 3rd Street=20 > 11pm=20 > TWO SETS >=20 > October 18th, 2003 - Saturday > CB's Gallery (upstairs) > 315 Bowery (between 1st and 2nd Street) > 10pm=20 > ONE SET >=20 >=20 > - The PCKT >=20 > Check the site: www.geocities.com/riftkid >=20 > To unsubscribe, reply to this message with > UNSUBSCRIBE > in the subject line. >=20 >=20 > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > search > http://shopping.yahoo.com >=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D _______________________________________________________ Check out my new live music project and CD at www.metaman.us! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! 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--- Evan Meyers <evanmeyers@yahoo.com> = wrote:
>=20 It's true... THE POCKET are playing two
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>
> - The=20 PCKT
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> Check the site: www.geocities.com/riftkid>=20
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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C386D1.8C03C510-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 30 02:08:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8U54mM22974; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 01:04:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 01:04:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.150.174.238] X-Originating-Email: [mucero@msn.com] From: "Amy Mucero" To: References: <20030930023709.76794.qmail@web12203.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 22:04:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C386D5.B0785CE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 22:04:44 -0700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Sep 2003 05:04:42.0150 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B89F460:01C38710] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C386D5.B0785CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Amy Mucero=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 9:35 PM Subject: unsubscribe ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joe Balestreri=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 7:37 PM Subject: unsubscribe --- Evan Meyers wrote: > It's true... THE POCKET are playing two > trailblazing, > genre-busting, mouth watering shows this month! >=20 > October 2, 2003 - Thursday > B3 (downstairs) > Ave. B and 3rd Street=20 > 11pm=20 > TWO SETS >=20 > October 18th, 2003 - Saturday > CB's Gallery (upstairs) > 315 Bowery (between 1st and 2nd Street) > 10pm=20 > ONE SET >=20 >=20 > - The PCKT >=20 > Check the site: www.geocities.com/riftkid >=20 > To unsubscribe, reply to this message with > UNSUBSCRIBE > in the subject line. >=20 >=20 > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > search > http://shopping.yahoo.com >=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D _______________________________________________________ Check out my new live music project and CD at www.metaman.us! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C386D5.B0785CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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----- Original Message -----
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--- Evan Meyers <evanmeyers@yahoo.com>=20 wrote:
> It's true... THE POCKET are playing two
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> genre-busting, mouth watering shows this=20 month!
>
> October 2, 2003 - Thursday
> B3=20 (downstairs)
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> October 18th, 2003 - Saturday
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> - The PCKT
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------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C386D5.B0785CE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 30 02:08:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8U65uc02724; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 02:05:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 02:05:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 08:07:58 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Help From: Fabio Pianigiani To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <70B7FD27-F30C-11D7-8C0A-000393D7E036@tin.it> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Is someone using the 01 V yamaha mixer with Boomerang as external > effect? > If yes , in what way( where to put the input and the output of the > boomerang,routing,aux etc)? > Thank for the help, > Fabio Pianigiani From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 30 02:41:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8U6cKG08342; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 02:38:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 02:38:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.63.249.232] X-Originating-Email: [matthewf5@hotmail.com] From: "Matthew Wiley" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Shawn Lane Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 01:38:09 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Sep 2003 06:38:13.0901 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C6733D0:01C3871D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am so pleased to see that there are people here who are into shawn's music. he was a truly beautiful human being. no one in our lifetime will ever be able to touch what shawn has put forth with regard to the guitar and technique coupled w/musicality. a true musical genius of the highest order. we'll miss you shawn. peace, -matt >This has absolutely nothing to do with looping, but it has everything to do >with guitar. I just got the news that Shawn Lane died on Friday at age 40. >For more info: www.noproblemhere.com. > >Sorry to intrude, but I'm pretty stunned. The guy was incredible. > >Jeff > _________________________________________________________________ High-speed Internet access as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). Click here. https://broadband.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 30 05:17:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8U9Fse08240; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 05:15:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 05:15:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200309300915.h8U9FZ123458@mail006.syd.optusnet.com.au> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 19:23:58 +0800 Subject: Echoplex pro/ echoplex proplus From: "Cameron Street" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok what the diff between the pro and the pro plus? apart from the colour that is cam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 30 05:22:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8U9KJQ08970; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 05:20:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 05:20:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F794998.8D44DADE@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 02:15:03 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: NoneRadio 9/29/03 Playlist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello list, This evening I was a co-host for the free-form online show None Radio: http://www.noneradio.com The show's host, Rich Pike, was very kind with his coverage of my material, and allowed a good bit of discussion time to talk about conceptual and technical details (including the live looping angle.) The show repeats 24/7 all week long, so you can check it out any time between now and next Monday night. Here's the playlist for the show (which is about 3 1/2 hours long!) NONE-023 (chicken won't stop screaming) – Monday, Sep 29 hosted by Rich Pike w/ co-hosts Joboj & Andre LaFosse 01 – (Friday Afternoon) In A Galaxy Far Away... – MATTIAS IA EKLUNDH [Freak Guitar] 02 – Anarchy In The U.K. – GREEN JELLY [Cereal Killer Soundtrack] 03 – Stool – JOBOJ [X] 04 – Self Destruction, Part Two – NINE INCH NAILS [Further Down The Spiral] 05 – Shofar – DAVID TORN [Tripping Over God] 06 – Little Wing – JIMI HENDRIX EXPERIENCE [The Jimi Hendrix Experience (Box Set)] 07 – Signify – ANDRE LAFOSSE [Disruption Theory] 08 – All Her Love Is Mine – ADRIAN BELEW [Op Zop Too Wah] 09 – Pride Is A Sin (Demo) – MIKE KENEALLY [unreleased] 10 – Not Again – SHAWN LANE [Powers Of Ten] 11 – Frame By Frame – KING CRIMSON [Discipline] 12 – In Time – ANDRE LAFOSSE [Disruption Theory] 13 – Tomorrow Never Knows (Slight Return Mix) – YOGI [Salve] 14 – Seismic – ANDRE LAFOSSE [Normalized] 15 – Lizard On A Hot Rack – MARK NAUSEEF & MIROSLAV TADIC [The Snake Music] 16 – Interference – ANDRE LAFOSSE [Normalized] 17 – Queen To Bathe – THE DAGONS [Teeth For Pearls] 18 – White Line – ALLAN HOLDSWORTH [I.O.U.] 19 – The Captain And I – KUHN, NAUSEEF, NEWTON, TADIC [Let's Be Generous] 20 – Canada Geese – GORDON DOWNIE [Coke Machine Glow] 21 – Do You Remember Rock & Roll Radio? – RAMONES [Mania] 22 – Christeen – DEVIN TOWNSEND [Christeen] 23 – Dystopia – FREAK KITCHEN [Spanking Hour] 24 – Lay Down And Die, Goodbye – ALICE COOPER [Easy Action] 25 – Zero – JOBOJ [X] 26 – Detroit Rock City – MATTIAS IA EKLUNDH [Freak Guitar] 27 – Old Meat Frame – ANDY WEST WITH RAMA [Rama 1] 28 – Sofa No. 1 – MICHAEL HEDGES [Oracle] 29 – The Ocean Is The Ultimate Solution – FRANK ZAPPA [Lather] 30 – Sweet Child O' Mine – BUMBLEFOOT w/ MOST PRECIOUS BLOOD [unreleased] 31 – Last Cup Of Sorrow – FAITH NO MORE [Album Of The Year] 32 – Deep Peace – DEVIN TOWNSEND [Terria] 33 – Canada – DEVIN TOWNSEND [Terria] 34 – Anyday – ANI DIFRANCO [Puddle Dive] 35 – Theme From Burnt Weenie Sandwich – FRANK ZAPPA [Burnt Weenie Sandwich] ---------------------------- --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 30 05:23:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8U9LrV09155; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 05:21:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 05:21:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Brian Hamlin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 10:22:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The military gets all the best toys http://www.army-technology.com/contractors/computers/american_reliance/ameri can_reliance1.html For more like this see http://www.army-technology.com/contractors/computers/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 30 11:12:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8UF8b732655; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 11:08:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 11:08:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: New Looper's Delight section: The Looping News Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 10:09:56 -0500 Message-ID: <001301c38764$e93eeb40$6501a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030928225705.035bca88@annihilist.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks, Kim! This looks great! Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 30 11:14:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8UF9bu00338; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 11:09:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 11:09:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 10:11:01 -0500 Message-ID: <001401c38765$0f6304a0$6501a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I never go on stage without my night vision googles and Kevlar T-shirt... :) Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com -----Original Message----- From: Brian Hamlin [mailto:BHamlin@Millennium.gov.uk] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 4:22 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? The military gets all the best toys http://www.army-technology.com/contractors/computers/american_reliance/ameri can_reliance1.html For more like this see http://www.army-technology.com/contractors/computers/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 30 13:16:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8UHBeC20838; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 13:11:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 13:11:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <33267410.1064941897995.JavaMail.root@ernie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 10:11:11 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Blue Reply-To: Blue To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Unsubscribe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please UN-SUBSCRIBE bluefluteman@earthlink.net Thank You, Blue Blue From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 30 13:18:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8UHDNO21096; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 13:13:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 13:13:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030930101421.040862c8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 10:16:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex pro/ echoplex proplus In-Reply-To: <200309300915.h8U9FZ123458@mail006.syd.optusnet.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mainly it has LoopIV software with all the new features: http://www.aurisis.com/products/loopIV/loopIV.html It also comes with the new manual and various other minor changes. Andy Ewen posted a list once before: http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200302/msg00538.html kim At 04:23 AM 9/30/2003, Cameron Street wrote: >Ok what the diff between the pro and the pro plus? >apart from the colour that is >cam ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 30 13:25:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8UHMPT22644; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 13:22:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 13:22:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006a01c38776$2472cd60$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Subject: New Steve Lawson MP3 uploaded Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 18:13:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi all, just uploaded a new MP3 - this one's taken from the exclusive bonus disc that comes with advanced orders of 'For The Love Of Open Spaces' - the bonus disc is called 'It's Not Gonna Happen', and the track's called 'As Long As My Arm' - this is a 6:30 edit from a 15 minute track of bass and alto-flute loop-frenzy. Theo's use of the expression pedal with the DL4 to bring his loop in and out and to harmonise with it is lovely on this track... Hope you enjoy it - the CD is released Oct 20th, and if you order it now, you'll get both CDs for the price of one, with free P+P world wide, and you'll get the satisfaction of helping us break even before the album's out... :o) cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 30 13:40:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8UHcWA25217; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 13:38:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 13:38:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004b01c38779$cbbc1740$2b02a8c0@chris1> From: "Chris Payne" To: Subject: EDP Flip mode Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 13:39:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0048_01C38758.443C9A40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C38758.443C9A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm looking through the EDP manual and can't find anything on flip mode. = Can anybody point me to some information? ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C38758.443C9A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm looking through the EDP manual and = can't find=20 anything on flip mode. Can anybody point me to some=20 information?
------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C38758.443C9A40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 30 14:12:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8UI3EW00328; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:03:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:03:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005301c3878d$e8da6070$0200a8c0@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030930101421.040862c8@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Echoplex pro/ echoplex proplus Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:03:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com About that manual... There was talk of a PDF version for us beige-faced LoopIV-ers, maybe, a while ago. I was unsubbed for a while. Any movement on that, perchance? Or can we buy the 300-page manual seperately from Aurisis, or Gibson? -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 11:16 AM Subject: Re: Echoplex pro/ echoplex proplus > Mainly it has LoopIV software with all the new features: > http://www.aurisis.com/products/loopIV/loopIV.html > > It also comes with the new manual and various other minor changes. Andy > Ewen posted a list once before: > http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200302/msg00538.html > > kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 30 16:25:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8UKJ3A00309; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:19:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:19:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:18:58 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Loop IV manual (Please!!!!!!) From: John Metzler To: Loopers Delight Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <52B08E78-F383-11D7-979E-000393D7CC50@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would really like a copy of the Loop IV manual that comes with the newer EDP+. I have recently upgraded to Loop IV from Loop III and along with the upgrade chips came an upgrade manual. I was never, by any means, a master of Loop III but I always had the manual out on my table for studying. Now I have both the Loop III and Loop IV upgrade manuals on my table at all times. It is a bit of a headache because the upgrade manual tells you how the functions have changed but if you didn't have the Loop III manual memorized then you have to go back and learn the old way to apply the new way. I would love a proper manual for Loop IV. Not a PDF, because that gets messy. I am always flipping around through my manual. If I have 300 single sided unbound pages I get frustrated as hell and end up killing someone. Then I have to dig a hole and my hands hurt for days and I can't play music. You guys (and gals) understand right? I want a copy of the manual as it comes with the new EDP+. I don't mind paying $20 bucks for it. It would be sooooo very appreciated. Can I get a "Hell Yea!!!" brothers and sisters? ---John M. I know about pain and suffering and being cold, but I just wanna .......Rock! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 30 17:00:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8UKu6f10267; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:56:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:56:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F79F0E9.D774D8BA@erols.com> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 17:08:57 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: NJ looping show Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9apPBD.A.VgC.l3ee_@hemlock.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just wanted to let any New Jersey based loopers know that I'll be performing this Friday in New Brunswick. There will be plenty of EDP looping madness. Actually, I'm an acoustic based singer songwriter who uses the EDP and a lot of effects to make some cool sounds. Sort of a Howie Day/Keller Williams meets electronica kind of a thing. I'll be accompanied on some tunes by bassist James Smith who will also do a short set of his Vic Wooten/Tony Levin inspired instrumentals. John Mazzarella: vocals/acoustic and electric guitars/EDP loopage w/James Smith: 6-string bass Friday, October 3rd, 10pm-12am Tumulty's Pub 361 George Street New Brunswick, NJ 732-545-6205 Thanks, John www.johnmazzarella.com www.bassdream.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 30 18:19:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8UMGTl30366; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 18:16:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 18:16:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F79FFF1.6070605@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 18:13:05 -0400 From: Dick Michaels User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: roguestore@aol.com Subject: Fall Newsletter from Rogue Music Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 15d7f0cd6eb2d81b74cfc7ce3b1ad11381c87f5e51960688fa9b3b151cb9e2ef659b7ed51f7115f6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you wish to be removed from this email list, please hit reply and type REMOVE in the subject box. Welcome to our Fall Newsletter. Below you will find listings of our used gear. Gear marked ** is consignment, and will come with a 7 day check out period. All other gear is warranteed for three months. These prices are temporary and an attempt to move a good deal of merchandise. After 7 days, prices revert to our website prices. Please email your interest, we will accomodate requests on a first come first basis. Pictures are available upon request. Thanks for your support in the past and in the futures. AUDIO GEAR AND SIGNAL PROCESSING 48 point TT Patch Bay $99 AKG C460B $375 AKG D112 $115 AKG D3600 $139 Alesis 3630 $65 Alesis Adat LX20 10 hrs $350 Alesis Adat XT 379 hrs $375 ** Alesis ADAT XT20 495 hrs $425 ** Alesis AI2 $175 Alesis BRC $250 Alesis MEQ230 $89 Alesis Microverb III $60 Alesis Midiverb II $60 Alesis Midiverb III $75 Alesis Midiverb4 $119 Alesis Monitor Two's $325 ** Alesis Nanocompressor $60 Alesis Quadraverb $109 Amek 9098 EQ $1095 AP Patchbay $45 Aphex 108 $79 Aphex 109 $135 Aphex Type B $30 Apogee PSX100SE $1895 Art MDM8L $169 ** Art SGX2000 $150 ** Art Tube MP $60 AudioTecnica AT4060 w/shock $825 ** Avalon AD2022 $1950 Bang & Olofson Fantone Ribbon Mike $395 ** BBE 322 $65 BBE 381 $79 BBE 462 $79 BBE 702 module $70 ** Behringer Autocom $60 Behringer Intelligate $60 Behringer PEQ305 $70 Boss BR532 $225 CAD Maxcon 24x8 $3000 ** Carver PM600 $295 Carver PM900 $325 CM Labs MotorMix $450 Crown CE1000 $275 Crown Comtech200 $195 Crown Comtech400 $325 Crown DC300A $275 Crown PS400 $325 Crown PZM $119 DBX 160XT $195 ** DBX 166 $175 ** DBX 166A $129 DBX 266XL $109 DBX 904 Gate module $60 DBX 1077 $225 DBX 1215 $149 Decade Attenuator $200 ** Digitech 3.6 $125 Digitech RDS2001 $109 Digitech RDS4000 $119 Digitech Studio Quad V2 $150 Digitech TSR24S $209 DOD DI Box $20 DOD R431 $79 Electrix MoFX $125 Electrovoice 7100 Power Amp $150 Ensoniq DP2 $195 Focusrite Platinum ToneFactory $275 ** Fostex 2050 $60 ** Fostex DMT8VL $275 Fostex E2 $395 ** Furman AR1215 $275 ** Furman PL8 $65 Furman PB40 $45 Furman PS8 $135 Furman TX3 Xover $70 Hafler P230 $150 Hafler Pro5000 $420 ** Hafler Pro7000 $550 HHB Radius 40 $395 Ibanez SDR1000+ $149 ** JBL 4425's $695 Kawai MX8SR $95 Korg A3 $120 Korg DRV2000 $100 ** Korg KEC42 $50 KRK 7000's $575 ** LA Audio 4C $195 Lexicon MPX550 $325 Lexicon MPXG2 $695 ** Lexicon PCM70 $695 Lexicon PCM80 $825 Mackie 24X8 $1195 Mackie 24x8 Meter Bridge $325 Mackie 32x8 $1695 Mackie 1202 $140 Mackie 1604 $295 Mackie 1604 VLZ $575 ** Mackie 1604VLZ Pro $595 Mackie 1400i $425 Mackie DFX 12 $150 Mackie LM3204 $475 ** Mackie Mixer Mixer $60 Music and More CF1 $129 ** Neumann TLM170 $1895 ** Neumann U87Ai W/Shock Mount $1425 Orban 621B $160 ** Orban 672A $160 ** Orban 764A $550 ** Panasonic SV3800 $325 ** Peavey XR600 $260 Peavey XR700 $175 ** Perreaux 6000B power amp $495 ** Pioneer CDJ7005 $400 ** Presonus Acousti-Q $125 QSC 1400 $225 QSC RMX850 $150 Rane DC24 $149 Rane MC22 Stereo Compressor $75 ** Rane ME15 $109 Rane MP24Z $495 Rane PE15 $125 Rean 48 point Patch Bay $45 Roland DS50A's $340 Roland SRV2000 $149 Roland VS8F1 $75 Roland VS840EX $325 Roland VS880 V/Expanded W/FX Card $350 Roland VSR880 $395 Samson MixPad 04 $119 Samson MixPad 12 $140 Samson MPL1640 $250 ** Samson Q Mike $40 Sennheiser MD421 $185 ** Shure 55S (Original) $109 Shure 8800 Mike $30 Shure Beta87A $140 Shure Green Bullet $79 Shure L4 Wireless Lavalier $110 Shure Mic Mixer $30 Shure PG48 $25 Sony D7 $195 Sony PCMR300 $275 Summit Audio EQP100 $1150 ** Summit Audio TLA50 $495 ** Summit Audio TLA100A $1150 Summit EQP200B $1295 Symetrix 501 $60 Symetrix 522 $75 ** Symetrix 525 $69 Tannoy 6.5 MKII's $160 Tannoy DMT 12II $1195 ** Tannoy PS1100 Sub $275 ** Tascam 122MKIII $295 Tascam 488 $225 Tascam DA20II $350 ** Tascam DA45 $655 ** Tascam DA88 (356 hrs) $425 Tascam DA98 (625 hrs) $995 Tascam IF-AE8HR $395 ** Tascam PB32H $40 Tascam PB64 $50 Tascam Porta02 MKII $99 Tascam Porta Two $109 Tascam RC2424 $695 ** Tascam SY88 $210 Tascam TSR8 $625 ** Tascam TMD1000 $325 ** Tascam U2 224 $169 TC Electronics 1140 EQ $139 TC Electronics 1144 $225 TC Electronics 2290+ $1050 ** TC Electronics Intonater $625 TC Electronics M-One $250 Technics SL1200III $275 TL Audio C2021 Valve Compressor $325 TL Audio Dual Valve Mic Pre $425 ** Two Channel Phantom Power supply $30 Toa D4 and D4E $95 ** Tubetech CL1B $1395 Turner 22D Microphone $195 Urei 527A $149 Urei 537 EQ $169 Urei 546 $625 ** Urei 809's $725 ** Yamaha 02R W/2 AES/TDIF cards $1750 Yamaha 03D Adat Card $99 Yamaha BG50 Mike $40 Yamaha D1500 $150 ** Yamaha GQ1031BII $75 ** Yamaha MT8X $325 ** Yamaha MV802 $99 Yamaha MY8AE $99 Yamaha REV500 $225 Yamaha SPX90 $179 ** Yamaha SPX90II $199 Yorkville Pulse 12M $150 ** Zoom MRS1044 W/USB $395 ** Zoom 1201 $79 DRUM MACHINES & SEQUENCERS Akai MPC2000 Smpte chip $75 Akai MPC2000XL Smpte chip $75 Akai MPC2000XL W/Internal Zip $1025 Akai MPC4000 $1925 Alesis D4 $160 Alesis MMT8 $79 Alesis SR16 $119 Boss DR770 $219 Clavia DDrum Kit w/library $595 Emu Procussion $150 Emu SP1200 $1295 Korg EA1 $145 Kat DK10 $339 ** Novation DrumStation $325 ** Roland Cymbal Trigger $689 Roland HiHat Pedal Trigger $59 Roland KD7 $125 W/Ludwig Pedal $110 ** Roland MC307 $219 Roland MC50MKII $219 Roland MC505 $425 Roland Octapad $189 ** Roland Pintech Kick Trigger $30 Roland R8 $209 Roland R8M $135 Roland R8 Rom Contemporary Percussion $25 Roland R8 Rom Dance $70 Roland R8 Rom Electronic $40 Roland R8 Rom Jazz $25 Roland R8 Rom Jazz Brush $29 Roland R8 Rom Power Drums $29 Roland R8 Rom Sound Effects $20 Yamaha QY70 $199 Yamaha RM1X $295 Yamaha RM50 $150 Yamaha RS7000 $825 Yamaha RY30 $150 Yamaha RY30 Rom Dance/Soul $40 Yamaha RY30 House/Rap $40 KEYBOARDS & ACCESSORIES Akai S20 $99 Akai S2000 $175 Akai S3000XL W/16 meg and 8 outs $325 Akai S3200XL $375 Akai S5000 $595 ** Alesis Andromeda (Floor model) $2095 Alesis Q Card Classical $75 Alesis Q Card Hip Hop $50 Alesis Quadrasynth $425 Clavia Nord Lead 12 voice expansion $195 Clavia Nord Lead Rack w/12 voice $595 Clavia Nord Lead 2 Rack $595 Emu Classic Keys $295 Emu Orbit V2 $260 Emu PK6 $395 Emu Proteus 2 $150 Emu Proteus 2 Orchestral $150 Emu Proteus 2000 $395 Emu Proteus 2500 $485 Emu Proteus MPS $350 ** Emu Proteus Pop/Rock $150 Emu Vintage Keys Plus $339 Ensoniq ASR10R $725 ** Fatar Studio 49 $65 Fender Keyboard 200 Amp $275 ** Korg 256RAM $40 Korg 05RW $150 Korg CX3 $1195 Korg Karma $1075 Korg MS2000 $550 Korg N1R $325 Korg TR Rack $450 Korg Trinity $825 Korg Trinity SCSI Port $79 Korg Triton Dance Extreme Rom $109 Korg Triton SCSI Port $90 Korg Wavestation $325 Korg Wavestation AD $425 Korg Wavestation SR $350 Kurzweil K2VX $695 Kurzweil K2500 w/piano/KDFX-$1795 ** Kurzweil K2500RS w/ all options inc. KDFX $1795 Kurzweil K2600XS $2895 ** Kurzweil SP88X $595 Novation BassStation Rack $2955 Novation SuperBassStation $350 Novation Supenova $725 ** Peavey KB300 $250 Roland D5 $260 Roland Fantom S $1495 Roland FP3 $825 ** Roland JP8080 $495 Roland JV Board Orchestral $110 Roland JV Board Orchestral II $110 ** Roland JV Board Pop $79 Roland JV Board Super Sound Set $115 Roland JV Board Vocal $115 Roland JV880 $195 Roland JV2080 $595 Roland M-DC1 $150 ** Roland S760 $295 Roland S770 $395 ** Roland SH32 $295 ** Roland SRX Expansion Super Dance $179 Roland SRX Expansion Ultimate Keys $179 Roland VP9000 $550 Roland XP10 $239 Roland XP30 $525 ** Roland XP50 $525 Roland XP60 $775 ** Roland XV88 $1500 Studiologic SL880 $395 Ultimate Support Apex Stand $105 Waldorf Q $1195 Yamaha CS1X $250 Yamaha CS2X $350 Yamaha CS6X $625 ** Yamaha EX5 $950 Yamaha Motif 6 w/64 megs $1250 ** Yamaha Motif 7 $1495 Yamaha P200 $11095 Yamaha TG500 $160 Yamaha TX Rack $45 Yamaha TX802 $160 ** Yamaha TX81Z $75 ** Yamaha VL1 $3000 ** VINTAGE GEAR Fender Rhodes MKII $895 Fender Rhodes 88 key $1095 ** Korg CX3 (The Original) $720 Korg EX8000 $220 ** Lexicon PCM42 $895 Oberheim Matrix 6 $325 Oberheim Matrix 1000 $239 PPG Wave 2.3 W/Midi $1895 ** Roland D50 $550 Roland MC202 $360 Roland MKS20 $275 Roland MKS50 $195 Roland MKS70 $250 Roland TR727 $150 Roland TR808 $850 Roland TR909 $950 Urei 1620 W/ 3 Phono Cards Mint $1695 ** Wurlitzer $995 Yamaha DX7 $275 ** Yamaha TX802 $160 ** From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 30 18:54:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8UMpgu03657; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 18:51:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 18:51:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030930225135.45420.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 15:51:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Remove To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3F79FFF1.6070605@ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Dick Michaels wrote: > If you wish to be removed from this email list, > please hit reply and > type REMOVE in the subject box. > Welcome to our Fall Newsletter. Below you will find > listings of our used > gear. Gear marked ** is consignment, and will come > with a 7 day check > out period. All other gear is warranteed for three > months. These prices > are temporary and an attempt to move a good deal of > merchandise. After 7 > days, prices revert to our website prices. Please > email your interest, > we will accomodate requests on a first come first > basis. Pictures are > available upon request. Thanks for your support in > the past and in the > futures. > AUDIO GEAR AND SIGNAL PROCESSING > 48 point TT Patch Bay $99 > AKG C460B $375 > AKG D112 $115 > AKG D3600 $139 > Alesis 3630 $65 > Alesis Adat LX20 10 hrs $350 > Alesis Adat XT 379 hrs $375 ** > Alesis ADAT XT20 495 hrs $425 ** > Alesis AI2 $175 > Alesis BRC $250 > Alesis MEQ230 $89 > Alesis Microverb III $60 > Alesis Midiverb II $60 > Alesis Midiverb III $75 > Alesis Midiverb4 $119 > Alesis Monitor Two's $325 ** > Alesis Nanocompressor $60 > Alesis Quadraverb $109 > Amek 9098 EQ $1095 > AP Patchbay $45 > Aphex 108 $79 > Aphex 109 $135 > Aphex Type B $30 > Apogee PSX100SE $1895 > Art MDM8L $169 ** > Art SGX2000 $150 ** > Art Tube MP $60 > AudioTecnica AT4060 w/shock $825 ** > Avalon AD2022 $1950 > Bang & Olofson Fantone Ribbon Mike $395 ** > BBE 322 $65 > BBE 381 $79 > BBE 462 $79 > BBE 702 module $70 ** > Behringer Autocom $60 > Behringer Intelligate $60 > Behringer PEQ305 $70 > Boss BR532 $225 > CAD Maxcon 24x8 $3000 ** > Carver PM600 $295 > Carver PM900 $325 > CM Labs MotorMix $450 > Crown CE1000 $275 > Crown Comtech200 $195 > Crown Comtech400 $325 > Crown DC300A $275 > Crown PS400 $325 > Crown PZM $119 > DBX 160XT $195 ** > DBX 166 $175 ** > DBX 166A $129 > DBX 266XL $109 > DBX 904 Gate module $60 > DBX 1077 $225 > DBX 1215 $149 > Decade Attenuator $200 ** > Digitech 3.6 $125 > Digitech RDS2001 $109 > Digitech RDS4000 $119 > Digitech Studio Quad V2 $150 > Digitech TSR24S $209 > DOD DI Box $20 > DOD R431 $79 > Electrix MoFX $125 > Electrovoice 7100 Power Amp $150 > Ensoniq DP2 $195 > Focusrite Platinum ToneFactory $275 ** > Fostex 2050 $60 ** > Fostex DMT8VL $275 > Fostex E2 $395 ** > Furman AR1215 $275 ** > Furman PL8 $65 > Furman PB40 $45 > Furman PS8 $135 > Furman TX3 Xover $70 > Hafler P230 $150 > Hafler Pro5000 $420 ** > Hafler Pro7000 $550 > HHB Radius 40 $395 > Ibanez SDR1000+ $149 ** > JBL 4425's $695 > Kawai MX8SR $95 > Korg A3 $120 > Korg DRV2000 $100 ** > Korg KEC42 $50 > KRK 7000's $575 ** > LA Audio 4C $195 > Lexicon MPX550 $325 > Lexicon MPXG2 $695 ** > Lexicon PCM70 $695 > Lexicon PCM80 $825 > Mackie 24X8 $1195 > Mackie 24x8 Meter Bridge $325 > Mackie 32x8 $1695 > Mackie 1202 $140 > Mackie 1604 $295 > Mackie 1604 VLZ $575 ** > Mackie 1604VLZ Pro $595 > Mackie 1400i $425 > Mackie DFX 12 $150 > Mackie LM3204 $475 ** > Mackie Mixer Mixer $60 > Music and More CF1 $129 ** > Neumann TLM170 $1895 ** > Neumann U87Ai W/Shock Mount $1425 > Orban 621B $160 ** > Orban 672A $160 ** > Orban 764A $550 ** > Panasonic SV3800 $325 ** > Peavey XR600 $260 > Peavey XR700 $175 ** > Perreaux 6000B power amp $495 ** > Pioneer CDJ7005 $400 ** > Presonus Acousti-Q $125 > QSC 1400 $225 > QSC RMX850 $150 > Rane DC24 $149 > Rane MC22 Stereo Compressor $75 ** > Rane ME15 $109 > Rane MP24Z $495 > Rane PE15 $125 > Rean 48 point Patch Bay $45 > Roland DS50A's $340 > Roland SRV2000 $149 > Roland VS8F1 $75 > Roland VS840EX $325 > Roland VS880 V/Expanded W/FX Card $350 > Roland VSR880 $395 > Samson MixPad 04 $119 > Samson MixPad 12 $140 > Samson MPL1640 $250 ** > Samson Q Mike $40 > Sennheiser MD421 $185 ** > Shure 55S (Original) $109 > Shure 8800 Mike $30 > Shure Beta87A $140 > Shure Green Bullet $79 > Shure L4 Wireless Lavalier $110 > Shure Mic Mixer $30 > Shure PG48 $25 > Sony D7 $195 > Sony PCMR300 $275 > Summit Audio EQP100 $1150 ** > Summit Audio TLA50 $495 ** > Summit Audio TLA100A $1150 > Summit EQP200B $1295 > Symetrix 501 $60 > Symetrix 522 $75 ** > Symetrix 525 $69 > Tannoy 6.5 MKII's $160 > Tannoy DMT 12II $1195 ** > Tannoy PS1100 Sub $275 ** > Tascam 122MKIII $295 > Tascam 488 $225 > Tascam DA20II $350 ** > Tascam DA45 $655 ** > Tascam DA88 (356 hrs) $425 > Tascam DA98 (625 hrs) $995 > Tascam IF-AE8HR $395 ** > Tascam PB32H $40 > Tascam PB64 $50 > Tascam Porta02 MKII $99 > Tascam Porta Two $109 > Tascam RC2424 $695 ** > Tascam SY88 $210 > Tascam TSR8 $625 ** > Tascam TMD1000 $325 ** > Tascam U2 224 $169 > TC Electronics 1140 EQ $139 > TC Electronics 1144 $225 > TC Electronics 2290+ $1050 ** > TC Electronics Intonater $625 > TC Electronics M-One $250 > Technics SL1200III $275 > TL Audio C2021 Valve Compressor $325 > TL Audio Dual Valve Mic Pre $425 ** > Two Channel Phantom Power supply $30 > Toa D4 and D4E $95 ** > Tubetech CL1B $1395 > Turner 22D Microphone $195 > Urei 527A $149 > Urei 537 EQ $169 > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 30 19:20:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8UNHrJ08422; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 19:17:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 19:17:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: UNSUBSCRIBE Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:17:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0028_01C3876E.6784BAD0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcOHqN2vIITku+JQQteUAlNHvzwLvgAACegw In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C3876E.6784BAD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit But I don't want to unsubscribe. :-) Sorry I couldn't resist. _____ From: Amy Mucero [mailto:mucero@msn.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 4:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE UNSUBSCIRBE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C3876E.6784BAD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

But I don’t want to = unsubscribe.

 

J

 

Sorry I couldn’t = resist.

 

 

 

From: Amy = Mucero [mailto:mucero@msn.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September = 30, 2003 4:15 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: = UNSUBSCRIBE

 

PLEASE UNSUBSCIRBE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!= !!!

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------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C3876E.6784BAD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 30 19:21:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8UNFVC07925; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 19:15:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 19:15:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.136.6.181] X-Originating-Email: [mucero@msn.com] From: "Amy Mucero" To: References: <3F79F0E9.D774D8BA@erols.com> Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:15:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3876E.0E566080" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:15:25 -0700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Sep 2003 23:15:22.0945 (UTC) FILETIME=[B94AD310:01C387A8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3876E.0E566080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PLEASE = UNSUBSCIRBE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!= !!! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Mazzarella=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 2:08 PM Subject: NJ looping show Just wanted to let any New Jersey based loopers know that I'll be performing this Friday in New Brunswick. There will be plenty of EDP looping madness. Actually, I'm an acoustic based singer songwriter = who uses the EDP and a lot of effects to make some cool sounds. Sort of a Howie Day/Keller Williams meets electronica kind of a thing. I'll be accompanied on some tunes by bassist James Smith who will also do a short set of his Vic Wooten/Tony Levin inspired instrumentals. John Mazzarella: vocals/acoustic and electric guitars/EDP loopage w/James Smith: 6-string bass Friday, October 3rd, 10pm-12am Tumulty's Pub 361 George Street New Brunswick, NJ 732-545-6205 Thanks, John www.johnmazzarella.com www.bassdream.com ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3876E.0E566080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
PLEASE=20 UNSUBSCIRBE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!= !!!
----- Original Message -----
From: John Mazzarella
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, = 2003 2:08=20 PM
Subject: NJ looping show

Just wanted to let any New Jersey based loopers know = that I'll=20 be
performing this Friday in New Brunswick.  There will be = plenty of=20 EDP
looping madness.  Actually, I'm an acoustic based singer=20 songwriter who
uses the EDP and a lot of effects to make some cool=20 sounds.  Sort of a
Howie Day/Keller Williams meets electronica = kind of=20 a thing.  I'll be
accompanied on some tunes by bassist James = Smith who=20 will also do a
short set of his Vic Wooten/Tony Levin inspired=20 instrumentals.

John Mazzarella:  vocals/acoustic and = electric=20 guitars/EDP loopage
    w/James Smith: 6-string=20 bass

Friday, October 3rd, 10pm-12am
    = Tumulty's=20 Pub
    361 George Street
    New=20 Brunswick, NJ
    = 732-545-6205

Thanks,
John
www.johnmazzarella.com
www.bassdream.com

------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3876E.0E566080-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 30 19:25:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8UNLfH09127; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 19:21:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 19:21:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.150] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan" To: Subject: RE: Looping with a PC laptop... which one? Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:21:34 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <011601c386fb$1a0feb30$0200a8c0@amd> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Sep 2003 23:21:34.0586 (UTC) FILETIME=[96CEBDA0:01C387A9] Resent-Message-ID: <_J4RID.A.fOC.EAhe_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >We've been over this ground before. The last time I suggested a >rackmounted desktop PC on this list as an alternative to a laptop I >got no love from anyone. I think the big problem with rack mounts is not the bulk and weight more than anything else. If you're going to lug about a 30 lb pc, why not do it with off the shelf components - ie strap down a desktop to a rack. Also, rackmounts aren't built for quiet operation - most are too loud for even moderately intimate gigs, unless you are willing to switch out the power supply. This is solved by strapping in pcs. Some manufacturers custom build audio pcs, but they get to be about the price of a laptop, and, as discussed here before, you have to do your homework since the systems they configure aren't necessarily designed for optimal value or performance. >It's true that if you move a desktop PC around shit inside it comes >loose. Nothing in it is really going to *break*, unless you drop >it, (For the record, I am dragging 2 Dell workstations around in a 16 space shock rack all over the place, and taking it for rides in the back of a pickup about once a month for my day job. Neither unit has had any hardware issues at all.) Actually, plenty can break - I'm more afraid of vibration damage myself, than dropping it. The hard drives are the most vulnerable to this, but motherboards and solders are brittle. The problems your going to get from this kind of use will be the 'now it works, now it doesn't' - the most frustrating, to track down problems. Then again, I haven't experienced any of this so far myself, so I'm probably being paranoid. >but it will come loose just enough so that shit doesn't work, or >works intermittently, which is no good for something you rely on in >a live setting. However, I think if you have the time beforehand >to open the PC up and re-seat, or just give a checking over to all >the cards, power connectors, IDE cables, RAM, etc. it might be >viable. I don't think I'm too excited about the idea of adding this to my preflight checklist. Performance artist, I'm not :> However, if you have done a good job of building your machine, I'll argue it shouldn't be necessary. You have to get into serious vibration to knock loose screws and IDE cables - at that point I'd be more worried that my hard drives still worked at all. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 30 19:29:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8UNPPw10113; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 19:25:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 19:25:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:25:15 -0700 Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-757770052 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: f569814e aee23e9e 87716673 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <5900345A-F39D-11D7-B2A1-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2-757770052 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed funny how they never think to go to the page where they subscribed and =20= actually follow the instructions. Amazing really. Mark On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, at 04:17 PM, | SquidLoop | wrote: > But I don=92t want to unsubscribe. > > =A0 > > J > > =A0 > > Sorry I couldn=92t resist. > > =A0 > > =A0 > > =A0 > > > > From:Amy Mucero [mailto:mucero@msn.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 4:15 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE > > =A0 > > PLEASE =20 > = UNSUBSCIRBE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!=20= > !!!!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > > =A0 > --Apple-Mail-2-757770052 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 funny how they never think to go to the page where they subscribed and actually follow the instructions. Amazing really. 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= TahomaFrom:TahomaAmy Mucero [mailto:mucero@msn.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 4:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE Times New Roman=A0 = Verdana0000,0000,0000PLEASE = UNSUBSCIRBE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!= !! = Arial0000,0000,0000----- Original Message ----- = Verdana0000,0000,0000=A0 = --Apple-Mail-2-757770052-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 30 19:29:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8UNPAR09887; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 19:25:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 19:25:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.150] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan" To: Subject: RE: hendrix tech guy. was( EDP IN/OUT Mod) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:25:04 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Sep 2003 23:25:04.0065 (UTC) FILETIME=[13AAB310:01C387AA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I believe it was in a book I borrowed from the library, interviewing Mitch Mitchell over the rise of the Hendrix Experience. I'm afraid I can't remember who the tech person in question was. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Stan Card [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 6:49 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:hendrix tech guy. was( EDP IN/OUT Mod) oh my biz, very interesting @ least to me-i try to see everything on JIMI since the early days and dont remember this particular thing. questions: who tech guy? do you mean roger mayer or eddie kramer or? where did you see this? is it available on line? thanx s > > I read an interview with Jimi Hendrix's tech guy, who had to re-wire > the middle eq pot on his marshall stack, because Hendrix preferred his > sound with the center scooped, but wouldn't play unless all the knobs > were set at full... > > bIz > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 30 19:30:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8UNRhh10484; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 19:27:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 19:27:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F7A116E.5070809@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 19:27:42 -0400 From: Dick Michaels User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Rogue Music Newsletter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 15d7f0cd6eb2d81b74cfc7ce3b1ad11381c87f5e519606889a102b445e695b1b1d0ce5a8ae3f50e6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry about this post, it was accidentally sent Dick Michaels Rogue Music NYC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 30 19:33:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8UNStU10638; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 19:28:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 19:28:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: UNSUBSCRIBE Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:28:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01C3876F.F1E62FA0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcOHqkPosoae8+mSTZ+e62Lq7uWQYAAAE4PQ In-Reply-To: <5900345A-F39D-11D7-B2A1-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: <6FP0XB.A.GmC.3Ghe_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C3876F.F1E62FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's amazing they figured out how to subscribe in the first place if they can't figure out how to unsubscribe. _____ From: msottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 4:25 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE funny how they never think to go to the page where they subscribed and actually follow the instructions. Amazing really. Mark On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, at 04:17 PM, | SquidLoop | wrote: But I don't want to unsubscribe. J Sorry I couldn't resist. From:Amy Mucero [mailto:mucero@msn.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 4:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE UNSUBSCIRBE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C3876F.F1E62FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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funny how they = never think to go to the page where they subscribed and actually follow the instructions. Amazing really.

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------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C3876F.F1E62FA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 30 20:36:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h910WYS20806; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 20:32:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 20:32:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.80.72 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Cc: Subject: RE: UNSUBSCRIBE Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 20:32:28 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c387b3$7e7e7ba0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C38791.F76CDBA0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <1YwQs.A.5EF.hCie_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C38791.F76CDBA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What a bunch of meanies At least somebody could post it Send mail with "unsubscribe" in both the subject and the body, and no signature file, to: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It is funny though ;) ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C38791.F76CDBA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
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------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C38791.F76CDBA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 30 21:09:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9115Po26876; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 21:05:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 21:05:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000601c387b8$16e144a0$e6a3a344@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <52B08E78-F383-11D7-979E-000393D7CC50@mac.com> Subject: Re: Loop IV manual (Please!!!!!!) hear! hear! Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 21:05:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out007.verizon.net from [68.163.163.230] at Tue, 30 Sep 2003 20:05:18 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here is my unequivocal "Hell Yea" in support of this idea. I ended up taking my Loop IV chips out and reverting to Loop III as I was getting too confused trying to learn the things I'd not learned before so I could use some of the new features. Yes. I'm dumb that way. A single consolidated hardcopy spiral bound manual that I could BUY would be a glorious and wonderful thing in my life. Who can I direct my query to with any hope of getting aforementioned manual? David Kirkdorffer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Metzler" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 4:18 PM Subject: Loop IV manual (Please!!!!!!) > I would really like a copy of the Loop IV manual that comes with the > newer EDP+. I have recently upgraded to Loop IV from Loop III and > along with the upgrade chips came an upgrade manual. I was never, by > any means, a master of Loop III but I always had the manual out on my > table for studying. Now I have both the Loop III and Loop IV upgrade > manuals on my table at all times. It is a bit of a headache because > the upgrade manual tells you how the functions have changed but if you > didn't have the Loop III manual memorized then you have to go back and > learn the old way to apply the new way. > I would love a proper manual for Loop IV. Not a PDF, because that > gets messy. I am always flipping around through my manual. If I have > 300 single sided unbound pages I get frustrated as hell and end up > killing someone. Then I have to dig a hole and my hands hurt for days > and I can't play music. You guys (and gals) understand right? I want > a copy of the manual as it comes with the new EDP+. I don't mind > paying $20 bucks for it. It would be sooooo very appreciated. > > Can I get a "Hell Yea!!!" brothers and sisters? > > ---John M. > I know about pain and suffering and being cold, but I just wanna > .......Rock! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 30 21:22:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h911K8129605; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 21:20:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 21:20:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <09c001c387ba$22c8aef0$0300a8c0@king> Reply-To: "Simon K" From: "Simon K" To: References: <52B08E78-F383-11D7-979E-000393D7CC50@mac.com> <000601c387b8$16e144a0$e6a3a344@hppav> Subject: RSS feed's Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 13:19:59 +1200 Organization: Obscure.co.nz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <7x7oEC.A.ZOH.Hvie_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey all .. Am fairly new to the inside page of looping .. but very much enjoy this list for it's prolific amount of good information . This is infact one of the more informative lists for equipment setup and uses .. that I have ever had the pleasure to be on ! That aside .. I am looking for RSS feeds for my website in NZ, on the topics surrounding this list ++ Does anyone here know of any sites with feeds ?!? Please forward them to me off list . Thanks .simon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 30 21:38:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h911ZeU31784; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 21:35:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 21:35:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 21:36:43 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: dual engine effects From: wavelet To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Since it came up, is it common to patch the channels together on these? -> Left In - Left out - Right In - Right out -> or are you just using combinations provided by the firmware. I'm working on using a Midiverb 4 in my rack and was thinking about this approach. Pete From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 30 22:35:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h912Xrs10702; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 22:33:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 22:33:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030930193430.0461d438@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 19:37:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Loop IV manual (Please!!!!!!) hear! hear! In-Reply-To: <000601c387b8$16e144a0$e6a3a344@hppav> References: <52B08E78-F383-11D7-979E-000393D7CC50@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com maybe this is a dumb question, but did you guys try contacting Gibson's customer support? support@gibson.com? At least start there, it's their product... kim At 06:05 PM 9/30/2003, David wrote: >A single consolidated hardcopy spiral bound manual that I could BUY would be >a glorious and wonderful thing in my life. > >Who can I direct my query to with any hope of getting aforementioned manual? > >David Kirkdorffer >From: "John Metzler" > > I would love a proper manual for Loop IV. Not a PDF, because that > > gets messy. I am always flipping around through my manual. If I have > > 300 single sided unbound pages I get frustrated as hell and end up > > killing someone. Then I have to dig a hole and my hands hurt for days > > and I can't play music. You guys (and gals) understand right? I want > > a copy of the manual as it comes with the new EDP+. I don't mind > > paying $20 bucks for it. It would be sooooo very appreciated. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 30 22:39:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h912cTx11740; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 22:38:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 22:38:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030930193752.03a2ddb0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 19:41:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP Flip mode In-Reply-To: <004b01c38779$cbbc1740$2b02a8c0@chris1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:39 AM 9/30/2003, Chris Payne wrote: >I'm looking through the EDP manual and can't find anything on flip mode. >Can anybody point me to some information? it's in the interface modes section of the LoopIV upgrade manual, and under the Loop/Delay parameter section of the EDP+ manual. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 30 22:50:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h912fxc12663; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 22:41:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 22:41:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c387c5$93ff6040$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <52B08E78-F383-11D7-979E-000393D7CC50@mac.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030930193430.0461d438@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Loop IV manual (Please!!!!!!) hear! hear! Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 22:41:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [68.163.153.29] at Tue, 30 Sep 2003 21:41:51 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Was previously told only for sale inside box with an EDP... I'll let you know what I hear this time..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 10:37 PM Subject: Re: Loop IV manual (Please!!!!!!) hear! hear! > maybe this is a dumb question, but did you guys try contacting Gibson's > customer support? support@gibson.com? At least start there, it's their > product... > kim > > At 06:05 PM 9/30/2003, David wrote: > >A single consolidated hardcopy spiral bound manual that I could BUY would be > >a glorious and wonderful thing in my life. > > > >Who can I direct my query to with any hope of getting aforementioned manual? > > > >David Kirkdorffer > > > >From: "John Metzler" > > > I would love a proper manual for Loop IV. Not a PDF, because that > > > gets messy. I am always flipping around through my manual. If I have > > > 300 single sided unbound pages I get frustrated as hell and end up > > > killing someone. Then I have to dig a hole and my hands hurt for days > > > and I can't play music. You guys (and gals) understand right? I want > > > a copy of the manual as it comes with the new EDP+. I don't mind > > > paying $20 bucks for it. It would be sooooo very appreciated. > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com >