From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 00:59:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h315wLC01272; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 00:58:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 00:58:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030331235033.02f0c7a8@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 23:57:09 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: Tutorial vids In-Reply-To: <20030401041851.88823.qmail@web40312.mail.yahoo.com> References: <001a01c2f7f3$d19df9a0$c29ca044@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:18 PM 3/31/2003 -0800, Evan Meyers wrote: >i'd be interested in a tutorial video as a repeater >user...to get some new perspective on looping >techniques. Likewise. I understand that Bill Walker's giving a presentation on performing live with the Repeater, so that's of special interest to those of us using that particular piece of kit. Personally, I'd also be interested in seeing anything that Rick Walker or Zvonar put together, and Dennis Leas' Kyma presentation sounds interesting as well. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 02:35:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h317Yhi09238; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 02:34:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 02:34:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 23:34:17 -0800 Subject: Re: pickups - rainsong guitars - warmth... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <024101c2f802$77e34000$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> Message-Id: <58260F9E-6414-11D7-A4F5-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Perhaps you could use this as a good excuse to try the Tube Replex that was mentioned a few weeks ago. Get a looper and a tube pre all in one! Mark Sottilaro On Monday, March 31, 2003, at 07:54 PM, Jimmy George Band wrote: > anybody out there ever played or own a rainsong guitar? i just bought > one > and i love it! it is not a total graphite rainsong but one of the > hybrid > graphite top mahogany back sides and neck. sweet. i use a sunrise > pickup in > the soundhole. it works well. there are some high end sonic values > with the > graphite top as the sound board that seems to transfer to the pickup > when > plugged in. any ideas in effectively warming up this signal from my > sunrise > preamp box to the amp? otherwise it is one of the finest playing > acoustics > i've ever played. wow! any comments? > > thanks! > > jimmy george > http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 02:35:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h317ZIC09287; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 02:35:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 02:35:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 23:35:00 -0800 Subject: EDP-->DL8000R MIDI clock weirdness? From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hm. I just plugged the MIDI out from my EDP into my Korg DL8000R. It mostly tracks tempo just fine but every so often the DL8000R hiccups. Like the Mo-FX it does so semi-musically so this could almost be useful if it didn't happen unpredictably. Playing with the feedback pedal on the EDP seemed to make it happen more often. (Loop4, loop lengths around 3 seconds, 8/8ths per cycle, MIDI channels are set differently between the two devices) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 03:01:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3180qc10895; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 03:00:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 03:00:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <028901c2f824$8ac877e0$a164f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200303312143.h2VLhwN04354@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: LAPTOP recommendations for LIVE LOOPING? Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 23:56:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am in the market for a laptop computer so that I can record, use Ableton's LIVE as a realtime performance enhancer and use real time USB/Midi control over soft synths. A trusted friend of mine in digital audio said that there are a plethora of known conflicts on the PC side with sound cards and laptop computers and advised me to figure out what sound card I wanted; then to go to their website and ask specifically what computers configurations they would recommend to put that sound card into. I would really love to get some advise on 1) What sound card would you recommend for a laptop computer given that a) I want to record my live shows in stereo in real time b) I want to run Ableton's LIVE in real time with midi cc control of samples and effects c) I want to be able to use an OXYGEN keyboard to play soft synths live d) If it is possible, I would like to use PEAK's V-Box to host ANTARES audio/synth converter live (to, in essence be able to sing live synth lines in real time) I anticipate using a Digi Designs M-box to get audio signal into the computer. What have you bought that you dig in terms of a sound card. It needs to have USB 2 and midi/in out (and preferably SPDIF if that's even possible). Thanks in advance for your collective wisdom. See you all at LOOPSTOCK this weekend, yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 03:26:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h318LrJ11974; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 03:21:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 03:21:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LAPTOP recommendations for LIVE LOOPING? References: <200303312143.h2VLhwN04354@hemlock.violacea.com> <028901c2f824$8ac877e0$a164f93f@global> Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed From: ernesto schnack Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 03:21:05 -0500 In-Reply-To: <028901c2f824$8ac877e0$a164f93f@global> User-Agent: Opera7.03/Win32 M2 build 2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 23:56:25 -0800, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: > What have you bought that you dig in terms of a sound card. > It needs to have USB 2 and midi/in out (and preferably SPDIF if that's > even > possible). Do you mean it needs to have a USB port or that it connects to the computer through USB? A friend of mine who uses his laptop for heavy real-time use swears by his RME which is PCMCIA. Has both analog and digital inputs, not sure if it has MIDI. Ernesto -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 03:32:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h318TGo12394; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 03:29:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 03:29:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030401082843.87718.qmail@web40514.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 00:28:43 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Burden babies To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <418FB8EA-6339-11D7-A392-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Mark sorry to hear that brother,without ofence it is strange for a mature woman to choose this option as it is in their nature to have babies.I couldnt begin to tell you how my kids have changed my life and how much you learn about yourself through them.Children and animals are the highest form of purity in this world and as much of a burden people think they are ,one smile from your own child has no price and it can be the medicine to all of your frustrations.Their inocence is something for us to go back and learn from as it gets lost along the way.This is why they are to me the true representation of god.When my 4 year old grabs my guitar and tries to seriously show my 2 year old daughter how he can play like me i watch them secretly in awe... he can barely carry it and i have tears in my eyes from laughing! P.S.(If you saved some of your fruitful sperm you still have a chance!) > Someone like my wife, who's never wanted children > and drove me to my > vasectomy to make sure it didn't happen, must have > been crazy to choose > to be barren and spend her extra leisure time doing > music, graphic and > jewelry design when she could have had the joy of > bearing and raising > my children instead. (who I'm sure would be sweet > little angels, just > like I am/was) Also, I see that my reason to make > music is totally > different now that I'm infertile. > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://platinum.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 04:00:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h318v9i14562; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 03:57:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 03:57:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: LAPTOP recommendations for LIVE LOOPING? Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:56:49 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000a01c2f82c$a1eda230$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <028901c2f824$8ac877e0$a164f93f@global> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I would really love to get some advise on... Hi Rick, Go and buy the April issue of Computer Music. You'll find some good info in their "Lap it Up!" mobile music special feature. As a user of both Mac and pc machines I would guess that a lot of creative stuff will be out for Mac in a near future. My own Macs are too old to run OSX and I'm planning to stay with Intel, as my recent laptop, at least one more year until the next line of much faster (new CPU chip) Apple machines will be out. But if I had a lot of money today I would go for a 17" PowerBooks right away ;-) I'm getting a cheap second hand G4 now only for software testing under OSX, but keeping my 2,1 GHz P4 as the main studio machine (until faster and hopefully cheaper Macs are available). I had no personal experience with PC's before I got my first one five years ago. Before that I was using ATARI and then only Macs. What I would like to say is that I was kind of a shocked, coming from the Mac, to find out how much can go wrong with a PC. I just couldn't believe that so many people was using that interface for their daily work (Win98). I really had to sit down and learn a lot of stuff to get the most out of the PC studio system. In fact I learned those tweaks so well that I was recruited for beta testing PC versions of my audio sequencer of choice (which was cool ;-), but as the company got bought by Apple anyway I could as well have stayed with Macs all the time and saved a lot of money and troubleshooting time ;-) Cheers Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 04:18:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h319GoJ15882; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 04:16:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 04:16:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E8957EC.BD7899B8@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 01:12:13 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP cost/promotion/etc and some figures for thought References: <0225A995-63C2-11D7-BB43-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for all your thoughts, Mark; I do appreciate your taking the time to explain yourself in such detail. And I certainly apologize if I misinterpreted your comments in an overly personal manner. In the event that you think up a better/catchier/more intriguing label for what I do, I'd be happy to hear it... Take care, --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 05:55:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31AoeR20576; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 05:50:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 05:50:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003b01c2f83c$41c745e0$25424ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <20030331220832.11247.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Vic Wooten Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:48:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I was watching the "Bass Day '98" video recently, and when Victor was playing, > there was a rack with an EDP in it right behind him. I thought it was his, but it > was hard to tell since there were so many players there and they left all their > gear set up. I got a second email from Vic late yesterday that said that he does own an Echoplex, really likes it, but finds the JamMan easier to use for his solo stuff... so there you go - everyone was right! ;o) peace Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk (gig details, news, MP3s etc.) www.stevelawson.net (the side-door) www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk (buy CDs) www.pmrecords.gemm.com (buy the same CDs) www.solobassnetwork.org.uk (other people making solo bass noises) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 05:59:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31Au6S21044; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 05:56:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 05:56:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005f01c2f83d$15a93760$25424ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <000401c2f7f2$ce54b780$c29ca044@hppav> Subject: Re: EDP cost/promotion/etc -- history of stuff Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:54:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <1ZEx5D.A.gIF.5AXi-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > So, we are very very very lucky that Gibson re-re-re-started production of > the Echoplex Digital Pro. ...It's not 'luck' at all, but more to the business smarts of Kim and Matthias in keeping the rights to the unit and licensing it - this way their development costs are restricted to working on designs/prototypes and software (not insubstantial, but not like being saddled with 1000 obselete boxes), and they then licence the product... I think it does them a little disservice to describe the great situation that we're in re: the EDP as 'luck' ;o) FWIW, I think the EDP is an incredible box - yes, it'd be nice to have a stereo version, have a smaller version, have different covers like mobile phones so that I could match my nails each time I play... but as it is, it's the best around, and has greatly expanded my musical world. Thanks guys! Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 06:23:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31BJYr22530; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 06:19:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 06:19:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-12.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1049195864!33561 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAE36@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] RE: Tube amp HUMMMMMMM...Ground? Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:48:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2F83C.3BC8B250" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2F83C.3BC8B250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>we need to thump a brass/copper rod some 18 inches into the ground next to your water or electric main. then soldier a copper cable from the rod to the main housing.<< I'd be surprised if this is what's making the ampeg hum- there are a number of other things I'd try, like reversing the live and neutral (though consult an electrician before pursuing this). if you do install an earth spike as per the above, one vital part of the instruction is missing. you have to pee on it where it goes into the ground- this will, I promise, guarantee the best electrical connection for it. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>we need to thump a brass/copper rod some 18 inche= s into the ground next to your water or electric main. then soldier a coppe= r cable from the rod to the main housing.<<

I'd be surprised if this is what's making the ampeg hum- = there are a number of other things I'd try, like reversing the live and neu= tral (though consult an electrician before pursuing this). if you do instal= l an earth spike as per the above, one vital part of the instruction is mis= sing. you have to pee on it where it goes into the ground- this will, I pro= mise, guarantee the best electrical connection for it.

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C2F83C.3BC8B250-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 07:50:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31CjNY28943; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 07:45:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 07:45:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f501c2f84c$4a849100$64635cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: vidnaObmana at the Soundscapes Concert Series Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 07:42:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DA_01C2F822.3AFC8780" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DA_01C2F822.3AFC8780 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_00DB_01C2F822.3AFC8780" ------=_NextPart_001_00DB_01C2F822.3AFC8780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Soundscapes Concert Series proudly presents vidnaObmana in an all ages concert of space music at the City of Bethlehem's IceHouse on Sand Island 56 River Street West Bethlehem, Pennsylvania Saturday, April 19, 2003 Concert at 8:00 pm, doors open at 7:30 pm FREE Buffet Dinner by Chef Jeff Tickets: $17 in advance and $20 at the door. Soundscapes #4 is coproduced by WDS Productions and Wooden Shoe Music. For the fourth installment of the Soundscapes Concert Series, = vidnaObmana will perform a unique concert at the City of Bethlehem's = IceHouse on Sand Island. Located in historic Bethlehem on the north bank = of the Lehigh River, the IceHouse is a perfect venue for a concert of = spacemusic. This concert will be on Saturday, April 19, 2003, starting = at 8:00 pm. The doors will open at 7:30 pm and Chef Jeff will cater a = free buffet dinner. Tickets are $17 in advance and $20 at the door. = Advance tickets are be available at: Compact Disc Center Speedy's Record Shop 1365 Easton Ave. 1001 Union Blvd. Bethlehem, Pennsylvania Allentown, Pennsylvania 610-868-3070 610-432-8386 and on-line at: http://electro-music.com NOTE: Tickets purchased at the door will be discounted by $3 for those = who show their WDIY or WMUH membersip cards or their full time student = ID. INFORMATION:=20 http://soundscapes.us=20 CONTACT:=20 Bill Fox=20 billfox@fast.net=20 610-746-9615=20 VIDNAOBMANA:=20 Ambient musician vidnaObmana is one of spacemusic's brightest stars. = Using synthesizers, audio processors, and a vast array of exotic = instruments, Belgian electronic musician vidnaObmana creates a complex, = layered musical journey through rhythms, timbres, loops, and sonic = atmospheres. The name vidnaObmana means "optical illusion" in = Servo-Croation, a term he picked up while vacationing in Croatia during = his childhood. He chose this phrase as his musical persona to illustrate = how his music correlates sonically with the surreal soundscapes he = creates. vidnaObmana is a prolific composer whose diverse body of work = ranges from post-industrial through gently atmospheric, to tribal = ambient and more. His music slowly shifts through electronic audio = imagery, creating extremely personal works of atmospheric delight. Throughout his career, vidnaObmana has explored the abrasive side of = electronic composition, using freeform soundscapes, international music = traditions, and post-classical experimentations. His music has been = released widely by many independent labels worldwide, including: = Release/Relapse, Amplexus, Extreme, Hypnos, Mirage, Multimood, Projekt = and others. A significant portion of vidnaObmana's work has been = realized in collaboration with some of the world's most interesting = musicians such as Alio Die, Jeff Pearce, Steve Roach, Djen Ajakan Shean, = Asmus Tietchens, and Brannan Lane. FLIER: A concert flier is available for download at = http://soundscapes.us/concert%20flier.pdf You are encouraged to take an = active role in the health of the electronic music scene by printing, = displaying, and distributing this flier. Forwarding of this email = message helps, too! ROBERT RICH: Robert Rich will come to the Soundscapes Concert Series on Saturday, = July 12, 2003. Tickets will be $20 at the door and $17 in advance (on = sale starting April 20). Tickets for the July 12 Robert Rich concert = which are purchased at the April 19 Soundscapes are $15 only for = vidnaObmana ticket-holders. ------=_NextPart_001_00DB_01C2F822.3AFC8780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The=20 Soundscapes Concert Series
proudly=20 presents
vidnaObmana
in=20 an all ages concert of space music
at the City of Bethlehem's = IceHouse on=20 Sand Island
56 River Street West
Bethlehem, = Pennsylvania
Saturday,=20 April 19, 2003
Concert at 8:00 pm, doors open at 7:30 pm
FREE = Buffet=20 Dinner by Chef Jeff
Tickets: $17 in advance and $20 at the=20 door.
Soundscapes #4 is coproduced by WDS Productions and
Wooden = Shoe=20 Music.
 
For the fourth installment of the = Soundscapes=20 Concert Series, vidnaObmana will perform a unique concert at the City of = Bethlehem's IceHouse on Sand Island. Located in historic Bethlehem on = the north=20 bank of the Lehigh River, the IceHouse is a perfect venue for a concert = of=20 spacemusic. This concert will be on Saturday, April 19, 2003, starting = at 8:00=20 pm. The doors will open at 7:30 pm and Chef Jeff will cater a free = buffet=20 dinner. Tickets are $17 in advance and $20 at the door.  = Advance tickets are be available at:
 
Compact Disc=20 Center          Speedy's = Record=20 Shop
1365 Easton Ave.         = 1001=20 Union Blvd.
Bethlehem,=20 Pennsylvania         Allentown,=20 Pennsylvania
610-868-3070       &nb= sp;=20 610-432-8386
and on-line at:
http://electro-music.com
NOTE: Tickets purchased at the door = will be=20 discounted by $3 for those who show their WDIY or WMUH membersip cards = or their=20 full time student ID.
 

INFORMATION: =
 
 

CONTACT:
 
Bill Fox
billfox@fast.net
610-746-9615 =
 

VIDNAOBMANA:
 
Ambient musician vidnaObmana is one = of=20 spacemusic's brightest stars. Using synthesizers, audio processors, and = a vast=20 array of exotic instruments, Belgian electronic musician vidnaObmana = creates a=20 complex, layered musical journey through rhythms, timbres, loops, and = sonic=20 atmospheres. The name vidnaObmana means "optical illusion" in = Servo-Croation, a=20 term he picked up while vacationing in Croatia during his childhood. He = chose=20 this phrase as his musical persona to illustrate how his music = correlates=20 sonically with the surreal soundscapes he creates. vidnaObmana is a = prolific=20 composer whose diverse body of work ranges from post-industrial through = gently=20 atmospheric, to tribal ambient and more. His music slowly shifts through = electronic audio imagery, creating extremely personal works of = atmospheric=20 delight.
 
Throughout his career, vidnaObmana = has explored=20 the abrasive side of electronic composition, using freeform soundscapes, = international music traditions, and post-classical experimentations. His = music=20 has been released widely by many independent labels worldwide, = including:=20 Release/Relapse, Amplexus, Extreme, Hypnos, Mirage, Multimood, Projekt = and=20 others. A significant portion of vidnaObmana's work has been realized in = collaboration with some of the world's most interesting musicians such = as Alio=20 Die, Jeff Pearce, Steve Roach, Djen Ajakan Shean, Asmus Tietchens, and = Brannan=20 Lane.
 
 
FLIER:
 
A concert flier is available for download at http://soundscapes.us/concert%20flier.pdf =20 You are encouraged to take an active role in the health of the = electronic music=20 scene by printing, displaying, and distributing this flier.  = Forwarding of=20 this email message helps, too!
 
 
ROBERT RICH:
 
Robert Rich will come to the Soundscapes Concert = Series on=20 Saturday, July 12, 2003.  Tickets will be $20 at the door and $17 = in=20 advance (on sale starting April 20).  Tickets for the July 12 = Robert=20 Rich concert which are purchased at the April 19 Soundscapes are $15 = only for=20 vidnaObmana = ticket-holders.
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<003001c2f851$10fe35d0$7c5c7450@SERVER> From: "Italo De Angelis" To: References: Subject: Re: KSP8 first impressions....it's a looper, too Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 15:17:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David obviously you didn't check a DSP7000 or 7500, which have all those features you described, w/many more resources, like 43 sec delay or 216 sec delay/173 sec sampling, morphing new distortion, Pitchtime (delay/shifter w/real time time-compression/expansion and pitch shifting (16sec), 32 sec reverse delays and shifters, up to 100 taps delay and much, much more, all usable in many instances in a real open platform. Sorry! Greetings Italo ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:26 AM Subject: KSP8 first impressions....it's a looper, too > > Greetings, fellow loopers....just spent some time with an new "tool of our > trade," and wanted to share the meat of a review that's waiting to get > posted at H-C....This box'll definitely loop your loops and then some. > David > btw; best price I've seen is at AMS: about $2300 > > << > (This review is really just a first impression, since I only got the unit > last week; I'll check back when I know it better. But it's such an exciting > piece I had to jump in and give any folks who might buy such a device a > heads up: This thing is HOT!!) > > Ease of use: > You definitely have to read the manual, which I've done--several times! > --and there are still confusing issues, mostly because I haven't tried all > of the millions of options. Getting to the audition stage is quite > easy...altho I did have to buy a SmartMedia card and reader, then wait for > a tech-support callback (only took 2 hours) to get the OS upgraded so the > remote could see the unit. I'm giving it a 7, which is probably generous, > because as I get the hang of it, it's not too bad, but it is VERY deep, > with capacities that go far beyond most other processors (the thing's a > simple 8-track digital mixer, for cryin' out loud!). Also, there's a very > responsive and quite helpful mailing list at Yahoo groups, that's monitored > by Kurzweil insiders. > Still, I think there are a few needlessly complex and unintuitive areas of > the interface (like, even tho there's a big, beautiful display, there are > virtually no graphics; it's all just lists and data entry fields; I wish > more companies would follow tc's lead and spend some design time on their > user interfaces---the G-Force and FireworX are simply brilliant in that > respect), and I still have many unanswered questions after a week of > serious reading and trying it out. The manual (and the huge algorithm > reference) is very well written, and offers a few user tips, but like most > manuals, could use many more explanations and examples rather than just > feature lists. > A perfect example is the FUNs. These are mathematical FUNctions that will > transform the action of any modulators, in endless and complex ways. It's > cool that they are there, but where's the tutorial on how to use them to do > basic things that lesser boxes just give you simple, direct controls to do, > like scaling a footpedal when it's controlling multiple parameters. > Instead, the manual just tells us the best way to understand them is to > "use them." Sorry for the rant. I realize that I'm still a total neophite > with the KSP, and hopefully my opinion will be different in a few months, > but my experience with complex processors (see below) has often very > frustratingly been that, while they clearly CAN be made musician-friendly > (witness tc), you'll get the most from them if you're an engineer or > mathematician or computer programmer. But the bottom line so far is that > I'm more excited by the options than daunted by the learning curve. Go the > website (www.ksp8.com), download the manuals, and see for yourself. > > Sound quality: > In a word: WOW!! > I'm a rack effects junkie, when I can manage it, and have had lots of units > in this price range in my at-home guitar studio where the KSP8 now sits, > including a tc G-Force and FireworX, Lexicon MPX1, G2, and PCM-80, Eventide > GTR4000 and Eclipse, and Ensoniq DP-Pro and DP-4 (they're not still all > here!). Even compared to these, I have to say the KSP8 is simply the most > awesome sonic device I've heard. Obviously these other pieces are damn > fine--no problems with them sonically, for the most part; I'm simply > reporting my subjective experience of being knocked out by the "gloss," > clarity, and headroom this thing has. It just seems noticeably better to > me. Maybe it's the analog converters they brag about in the ads; > whatever--I notice the difference! > It's hard to single out any effects yet; everything sounds marvelous, but > the reverbs and delays are really fine, with incredible variety, and this > is where I've so far spent the most time. I like to create repeating > rhythms with multi-taps, and all the KSP's various multi's feed back via a > loop tap, rather that with individual feedback paths, so rhythms are easy > to do. Maximum delay time in most algorithms is 2.5 sec, but at least one > multi-unit alg. offers around 20 secs of mono loop time, and tho I haven't > tried it, I can't see why you couldn't run several of these in series or > parallel. All delays have a HOLD parameter and setting up a global > input-level controller is very easy. The distortions are very flexible, > ranging from smooth tube-amp/cabinet simulations to really raw shapers and > bit quantizers. The amp sims are not quite Pod-quality, based on the little > tweeking I've done, but the range is impressive; definitely usable with > good tones coming in. A few of the preset chains prove that you can do > synth-like transformations of a guitar signal (check out the chain Scorched > Earth, for instance), and there are several sound-producing > oscillators---such as an add-noise parameter in the flanger for getting > more audible results with clean source material. Before the processing > blocks, there's a rich batch of input eqs, filters, noise sources and > shapers that don't use processing units; you can even use MIDI note > messages to pitch a sine wave source and patch a resonant filter after it, > creating a simple mono-synth before you even get to the monster fx rack. > The many filters include some that are very synth-like. There's no pitch > shifting or "harmonizing" per se--seems to be the only thing missing--but > there's a spectral "pitcher" effect that does something that sounds fresher > and almost more interesting to me using comb filters. Ring modulations are > here aplenty. I'm about half-way through the Algorithm Reference, and > suffice it to say that there's no scrimping on adjustable parameters, and > PLENTY of complexity and originality. > I'm using it via the analog i/o with mixer sends, and feeding it with > various guitar modelers (VG-8, PodXT, etc...), in parallel with other > processors and loopers. Haven't yet sent it any vocals, synths or > percussion...there're a lot of audio demos of that kind of thing on the > KSP8 website. > Check it out! > >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 08:21:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31DKg031378; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 08:20:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 08:20:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 14:23:39 +0100 Subject: Re: LAPTOP recommendations for LIVE LOOPING? From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <028901c2f824$8ac877e0$a164f93f@global> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi rick I use an edirol usb keyboard it has midi in/out +more controllers than the oxygen + Mbox this gets round the midi in out problem as its on the usb keyboard. Geoff on 1/4/03 8:56 am, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL at GLOBAL@cruzio.com wrote: > I am in the market for a laptop computer so that I can > record, use Ableton's LIVE as a realtime performance enhancer > and use real time USB/Midi control over soft synths. > > A trusted friend of mine in digital audio said that there are a plethora > of known conflicts on the PC side with sound cards and laptop computers and > advised me to figure out what sound card I wanted; then to go to their > website and > ask specifically what computers configurations they would recommend to put > that sound card into. > > I would really love to get some advise on > > 1) What sound card would you recommend for a laptop computer > > given that > a) I want to record my live shows in stereo in real time > b) I want to run Ableton's LIVE in real time with midi > cc control of samples and effects > c) I want to be able to use an OXYGEN keyboard to play > soft synths live > d) If it is possible, I would like to use PEAK's V-Box > to host ANTARES audio/synth converter live (to, in essence > be able to sing live synth lines in real time) > > I anticipate using a Digi Designs M-box to get audio signal into the > computer. > > What have you bought that you dig in terms of a sound card. > It needs to have USB 2 and midi/in out (and preferably SPDIF if that's even > possible). > > Thanks in advance for your collective wisdom. > > See you all at LOOPSTOCK this weekend, > > yours, Rick Walker > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 08:25:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31DNkq31707; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 08:23:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 08:23:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 14:26:50 +0100 Subject: Re: Tutorial vids From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030401041851.88823.qmail@web40312.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It would be great if someone could video all of the loopstock demo's/presentations. I would definitely pay to see them as I cannot get to the event. Quality is not an issue, I would just love to check it out!! geoff on 1/4/03 5:18 am, Evan Meyers at evanmeyers@yahoo.com wrote: > i'd be interested in a tutorial video as a repeater > user...to get some new perspective on looping > techniques. have you guys considerred an all around > looping vid? something that demos all products? > obviously, your focus would be on the edp since you > guys are the masters of that, but throwing in a few > mintues showing some of the features on other devices > could make it worthwhile for the entire > community...but either way, i'm still interested in > seeing the edp one. > > evan > > > --- David wrote: >> Andre - >> >> Imagine how many of these Video's you could sell! >> And how about skipping >> "video", and getting a DVD's made -- much better as >> a learning tool as >> students can navigate more quickly between chapters. >> . >> >> And DVD's would sell faster and for more. >> >> Just a thought. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Andre LaFosse" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 3:12 AM >> Subject: Tutorial vids >> >> >>> Hi Doug, >>> >>> Doug Cox wrote: >>> >>>> And on a tangential topic - will someone be >> videotaping the clinics, and >>>> then offering them to the list (or even a >> broader audience)? I'd pay a >>>> reasonable fee for even unedited, amateur video >> of this clinic. >>>> >>>> I'm not a CA resident, and don't have the $$ to >> come. That puts me in a >>>> group that probably equals 99% of this list. >> Can you guys help us poor >>>> landlubbers? >>> >>> Hans Lindauer and I filmed an EDP tutorial video >> last fall, which is >>> currently in rough cut form. I've been too busy >> since then to really >>> sit down and give it a good thorough look, but >> once I get my album >>> wrapped I hope to get it squared away and >> released. >>> >>> It looks pretty promising - formally filmed and >> edited, with a rough >>> two-hour running time, covering the main front >> panel functions. More as >>> this develops... >>> >>> --Andre >>> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > http://platinum.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 08:33:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31DW3e32400; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 08:32:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 08:32:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 14:34:51 +0100 Subject: please someone record loopstock!!!! From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00cc01c2f7f0$eb6e95e0$75772544@user0jd9dje1rf> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please someone record loopstock!! so the rest of us can check the bootleg! or maybe some one could archive the event for downloading. Please,Please,Please!! How about a budget made best of loopstock video. It would be great to see all the people together on one video! dvd whatever!!! Quality not important, bootlegs are popular. someone make one! or even better an official loopstock video! Geoff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 09:41:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31EbAX05869; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 09:37:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 09:37:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005401c2f85c$2c883980$4ce4e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: References: <004301c2f85b$f49df460$4ce4e20c@attbi.com> Subject: Re: EDP cost/promotion/etc and some figures for thought Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 09:37:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <2Y8naD.A.zaB._Pai-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jesus Christ. The whiners are even whining about topics even RELATED to looping! > > > Andre - Mark - > > > > If you still have more to say on this thread, you two can take this > > off-line, right? > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 10:03:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31Exa807772; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 09:59:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 09:59:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: KSP8 first impressions....it's a looper, too To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 09:59:32 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 04/01/2003 09:59:34 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Italo! Why don't you send me one so I can feel the joy? ;-) No doubt the 7000/7500 is a more flexible looper, and a great piece overall---of course, I DID check it out, spec-wise, as well you know; I only posted this here because the Kurzweil CAN loop, which seemed worth pointing out. Still, the KSP8 is very impressive and surprisingly cost effective as a complex and versatile multi-effects/signal-router. Paired with my beloved Eclipse, why, it's almost Orvillian! (hmmm...maybe I'll call my rack, um.....WILBUR!....(after the pig)...) Best, David << David obviously you didn't check a DSP7000 or 7500, which have all those features you described, w/many more resources, like 43 sec delay or 216 sec delay/173 sec sampling, morphing new distortion, Pitchtime (delay/shifter w/real time time-compression/expansion and pitch shifting (16sec), 32 sec reverse delays and shifters, up to 100 taps delay and much, much more, all usable in many instances in a real open platform. Sorry! Greetings Italo > > Greetings, fellow loopers....just spent some time with an new "tool of our > trade," and wanted to share the meat of a review that's waiting to get > posted at H-C....btw; best price I've seen is at AMS: about $2300 > (snip) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 10:07:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31F3QJ08083; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:03:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:03:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001a01c2f7f3$d19df9a0$c29ca044@hppav> References: <001a01c2f7f3$d19df9a0$c29ca044@hppav> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 08:54:00 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: Re: Tutorial vids (DVD ???) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com if there was an edp tutorial vid i'd certainly buy it. would love to see what others are doing with this, and if it was put on a DVD format, that would be even BETTER!!!! s---- >Andre - > >Imagine how many of these Video's you could sell! And how about skipping >"video", and getting a DVD's made -- much better as a learning tool as >students can navigate more quickly between chapters. . > >And DVD's would sell faster and for more. > >Just a thought. > >----- Original Message ----- > >Subject: Tutorial vids > > > > >> Hans Lindauer and I filmed an EDP tutorial video last fall, which is >> currently in rough cut form. I've been too busy since then to really >> sit down and give it a good thorough look, but once I get my album >> wrapped I hope to get it squared away and released. >> >> It looks pretty promising - formally filmed and edited, with a rough >> two-hour running time, covering the main front panel functions. More as > > this develops... > > > > --Andre > > -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 10:28:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31FQiB09861; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:26:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:26:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E89AF7A.8010804@cabq.gov> Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 08:25:46 -0700 From: Jason Fink User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Status: LD T-Shirt Version 2.0 References: <200304011327.h31DRVe32001@hemlock.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <200304011327.h31DRVe32001@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings Loopers, I wanted to fill everyone in on the current status of the T-Shirt project. We now have an officially approved 3 color design, and the next step is to get pricing information and a sample shirt printed. For the curious, the new design can be viewed here: http://gisweb.cabq.gov/ld4.jpg I probably will not be offering different colored shirts, but I am going to consider the choice of long or short sleeves. The printing will only appear on the front this year, the back will remain untouched by printer's ink. After I have a sample shirt in hand, I will post a true life photo and begin taking orders. Just like last year, shirts will be paid for in advance via Paypal or check and I will be shipping via Priority Mail (this simplifies the shipping charges and also allows me to use boxes from the USPS instead of having to buy them). This message is just to let folks know that, indeed, the shirts will be happening. I will post all the gory details as soon as we are ready, so stay tuned to the list for all the up-to-date information. The LD T-Shirt project is a fund raiser for the Looper's Delight website. Proceeds help offset Kim's costs for running the server. Last year was a very sucessful project , and with this year's retro, yet modern look and snappy multi-color design, we are sure to attract positive attention. Yep, folks are gonna come from miles around just to catch a glimpse you and your shirt, while you manipulate the looper of your choice... Thanks! -jas Jason Fink LD Shirt Guy http://zebox.com/dimbulb From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 10:37:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31FZhU10580; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:35:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:35:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 10:34:51 -0500 Subject: Re: Status: LD T-Shirt Version 2.0 From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3E89AF7A.8010804@cabq.gov> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com great design !, cannot wait. t. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 10:45:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31FhUE11323; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:43:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:43:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003b01c2f865$638c0020$3e57c350@p4> From: "David Swain" To: References: <200304011327.h31DRVe32001@hemlock.violacea.com> <3E89AF7A.8010804@cabq.gov> Subject: Re: Status: LD T-Shirt Version 2.0 Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 16:43:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cool ! I'lll have to get a few more for the collection ! Whatr colour are they going to be ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Fink" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 4:25 PM Subject: Status: LD T-Shirt Version 2.0 > > Greetings Loopers, > > I wanted to fill everyone in on the current status of the T-Shirt > project. > > We now have an officially approved 3 color design, and the next > step is > to get pricing information and a sample shirt printed. > > For the curious, the new design can be viewed here: > http://gisweb.cabq.gov/ld4.jpg > > I probably will not be offering different colored shirts, but I am > going to > consider the choice of long or short sleeves. The printing will > only appear > on the front this year, the back will remain untouched by printer's > ink. > > After I have a sample shirt in hand, I will post a true life photo > and begin > taking orders. > > Just like last year, shirts will be paid for in advance via Paypal > or check and > I will be shipping via Priority Mail (this simplifies the shipping > charges and also > allows me to use boxes from the USPS instead of having to buy them). > > This message is just to let folks know that, indeed, the shirts will > be happening. > I will post all the gory details as soon as we are ready, so stay tuned > to the list for all the up-to-date information. > > The LD T-Shirt project is a fund raiser for the Looper's Delight > website. Proceeds > help offset Kim's costs for running the server. Last year was a very > sucessful project , > and with this year's retro, yet modern look and snappy multi-color > design, we are > sure to attract positive attention. Yep, folks are gonna come from > miles around just to > catch a glimpse you and your shirt, while you manipulate the looper > of your choice... > > Thanks! > > -jas > > Jason Fink > LD Shirt Guy > http://zebox.com/dimbulb > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 11:07:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31G66E13247; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:06:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:06:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <022201c2f892$37b6b670$e6c1f5d1@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <003001c2f851$10fe35d0$7c5c7450@SERVER> Subject: Re: KSP8 first impressions....it's a looper, too Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 22:03:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <4hp89D.A.9ND.Qjbi-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes...but the KSP8 is nearly a thousand dollars cheaper than the 7K! that makes a very big difference for a lot of folks. i have both: KSP8 and DSP7000. they're both awesome machines. does the eventide have a bigger brain? yes. is the eventide more flexible? depends on who you ask. is the eventide deeper? yes. is one better than the other? nobody can answer that question. as far as i'm concerned, i wouldn't part with either unit. they're both very loop-friendly and when used in tandem with my EDPs, the sounds and routings are virtually endless...very different boxes, both indespensible for me. david- give it some more time, friend. you're really going to dig that machine. i agree with your assessment. are there any HC reviews yet? i should probably go post one. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 11:25:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31GLQl14984; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:21:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:21:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030401181417.015d8a90@pop.free.fr> X-Sender: waveform@pop.free.fr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 18:18:22 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: daviD Subject: no html please Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [lurk_mode = off] Hi, Could you please stop sending html mails to the list. It's not pretty, it's against standard netiquette and it unnecessarily wastes bandwidth... Thanks, [lurk_mode = on] "What sounds to you like a big load of trashy old noise is in fact the brilliant music of the genius, myself" Iggy Pop From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 11:30:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31GQbb15621; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:26:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:26:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <019701c2f86b$2a11e480$0100a8c0@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <200304011327.h31DRVe32001@hemlock.violacea.com> <3E89AF7A.8010804@cabq.gov> Subject: Re: Status: LD T-Shirt Version 2.0 Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 18:24:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Beautiful but the URL is wrong you forgot the "-" WWW.Loopers-Delight.com --- But I'll get some fo shu' Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 11:44:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31Ge2N17249; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:40:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:40:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003c01c2f86d$2ed12f60$bf08fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAE36@LON-MAIL07> Subject: Re: [looper's] RE: Tube amp HUMMMMMMM...Ground? Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 09:38:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0039_01C2F832.822F33E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C2F832.822F33E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [looper's] RE: Tube amp HUMMMMMMM...Ground?My Ampeg SVT hummed when I = got it (used). Take it to your local tube amp repair man and get it = biased. That cleared everything up for me. Although, it's ever so = slowly starting to go out of whack again, after six months. But, such = is life with tube amps. I fear the day a tube goes down on stage. =20 -J ----- Original Message -----=20 From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:48 AM Subject: [looper's] RE: Tube amp HUMMMMMMM...Ground? >>we need to thump a brass/copper rod some 18 inches into the ground = next to your water or electric main. then soldier a copper cable from = the rod to the main housing.<< I'd be surprised if this is what's making the ampeg hum- there are a = number of other things I'd try, like reversing the live and neutral = (though consult an electrician before pursuing this). if you do install = an earth spike as per the above, one vital part of the instruction is = missing. you have to pee on it where it goes into the ground- this will, = I promise, guarantee the best electrical connection for it. duncan.=20 = *************************************************************************= ** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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My Ampeg SVT hummed when I got it = (used). =20 Take it to your local tube amp repair man and get it biased.  That = cleared=20 everything up for me.  Although, it's ever so slowly starting to go = out of=20 whack again, after six months.  But, such is life with tube = amps.  I=20 fear the day a tube goes down on stage. 
 
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>>we need to thump a brass/copper rod some 18 = inches=20 into the ground next to your water or electric main. then soldier a = copper=20 cable from the rod to the main housing.<<

I'd be surprised if this is what's making the ampeg = hum- there=20 are a number of other things I'd try, like reversing the live and = neutral=20 (though consult an electrician before pursuing this). if you do = install an=20 earth spike as per the above, one vital part of the instruction is = missing.=20 you have to pee on it where it goes into the ground- this will, I = promise,=20 guarantee the best electrical connection for it.

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 ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C2F832.822F33E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 11:49:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31GhTI18042; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:43:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:43:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 08:42:54 -0800 Subject: Re: Burden babies Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030401082843.87718.qmail@web40514.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No offense taken at all... but although this is major off topic, I went totally willing. I thought, "Am I going to miss an aspect of life I shouldn't miss?" then I thought, does the world need another human. No. Do I have any free time to spend raising a child? No. Not without it seriously cutting into my music time. We've got close friends with a 3 year old and we spend time with them almost every week. Plus, with two bratty cats, we're pretty much full up here. My wife has never wanted children and we both agreed that it was probably bad for her to take hormones for the rest of her life. The trade was pretty good IMO, just had to sit on an icepack for a week or so. Anyway, thanks for your concern, but none was necessary. Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, April 1, 2003, at 12:28 AM, Louie Angulo wrote: >> Mark sorry to hear that brother,without ofence it is > strange for a mature woman to choose this option as it > is in their nature to have babies.I couldnt begin to > tell you how my kids have changed my life and how much > you learn about yourself through them.Children and > animals are the highest form of purity in this world > and as much of a burden people think they are ,one > smile from your own child has no price and it can be > the medicine to all of your frustrations.Their > inocence is something for us to go back and learn from > as it gets lost along the way.This is why they are to > me the true representation of god.When my 4 year old > grabs my guitar and tries to seriously show my 2 year > old daughter how he can play like me i watch them > secretly in awe... he can barely carry it and i have > tears in my eyes from laughing! > P.S.(If you saved some of your fruitful sperm you > still have a chance!) > >> Someone like my wife, who's never wanted children >> and drove me to my >> vasectomy to make sure it didn't happen, must have >> been crazy to choose >> to be barren and spend her extra leisure time doing >> music, graphic and >> jewelry design when she could have had the joy of >> bearing and raising >> my children instead. (who I'm sure would be sweet >> little angels, just >> like I am/was) Also, I see that my reason to make >> music is totally >> different now that I'm infertile. > > > > >> > > ===== > www.labalou.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > http://platinum.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 11:50:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31GkNF18443; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:46:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:46:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 08:45:56 -0800 Subject: Re: SV: LAPTOP recommendations for LIVE LOOPING? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000a01c2f82c$a1eda230$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> Message-Id: <690F8D0E-6461-11D7-A4F5-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a friend who has a great saying: PC's are only cheaper to people who don't value their time. Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, April 1, 2003, at 12:56 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > I could as well have stayed with Macs all the time and saved a > lot of money and troubleshooting time ;-) > > Cheers > > Per Boysen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 12:02:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31Gs7q19470; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:54:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:54:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030401165341.6717.qmail@web40513.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 08:53:41 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Burden babies(off topic) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Mark, But yes, i definetly find the vasectomy a great choice if you don´t want any more children. after 2 kids i am giving it a serious consideration (my apologies for the major off topic gang) cheers l.a --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > No offense taken at all... but although this is > major off topic, I went > totally willing. I thought, "Am I going to miss an > aspect of life I > shouldn't miss?" then I thought, does the world need > another human. > No. Do I have any free time to spend raising a > child? No. Not > without it seriously cutting into my music time. > > We've got close friends with a 3 year old and we > spend time with them > almost every week. Plus, with two bratty cats, > we're pretty much full > up here. My wife has never wanted children and we > both agreed that it > was probably bad for her to take hormones for the > rest of her life. > The trade was pretty good IMO, just had to sit on an > icepack for a week > or so. > > Anyway, thanks for your concern, but none was > necessary. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Tuesday, April 1, 2003, at 12:28 AM, Louie Angulo > wrote: > > >> Mark sorry to hear that brother,without ofence it > is > > strange for a mature woman to choose this option > as it > > is in their nature to have babies.I couldnt begin > to > > tell you how my kids have changed my life and how > much > > you learn about yourself through them.Children and > > animals are the highest form of purity in this > world > > and as much of a burden people think they are ,one > > smile from your own child has no price and it can > be > > the medicine to all of your frustrations.Their > > inocence is something for us to go back and learn > from > > as it gets lost along the way.This is why they are > to > > me the true representation of god.When my 4 year > old > > grabs my guitar and tries to seriously show my 2 > year > > old daughter how he can play like me i watch them > > secretly in awe... he can barely carry it and i > have > > tears in my eyes from laughing! > > P.S.(If you saved some of your fruitful sperm you > > still have a chance!) > > > >> Someone like my wife, who's never wanted children > >> and drove me to my > >> vasectomy to make sure it didn't happen, must > have > >> been crazy to choose > >> to be barren and spend her extra leisure time > doing > >> music, graphic and > >> jewelry design when she could have had the joy of > >> bearing and raising > >> my children instead. (who I'm sure would be > sweet > >> little angels, just > >> like I am/was) Also, I see that my reason to > make > >> music is totally > >> different now that I'm infertile. > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > ===== > > www.labalou.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, > forms, and more > > http://platinum.yahoo.com > > > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://platinum.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 12:02:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31GvPM19838; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:57:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:57:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 08:56:36 -0800 Subject: Re: EDP cost/promotion/etc and some figures for thought Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3E8957EC.BD7899B8@earthlink.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No apology needed, but thank you. Let us never speak of this again! How about the one that already seems to have taken hold? Glitchcore! It's a winner IMO. Does it totally describe everything you do? NO. However, it's a catchy easy to remember phrase, and that's way more important for getting your stuff out there. After a gig a friend who'd never seen me said, "Oh you kind of remind me of Electro-Fleetwood Mac" What!!? I don't know if any of you have heard my music, but I can't imagine how anyone could come up with that, and I don't even like Fleetwood Mac all that much and surely have never listened to them all that much. Anyway, I knew by the way he said it that he liked Fleetwood Mac and this was a complement. I smiled and said thank you. He came to my show, so how could I be mad? I just thought of something that happened at work recently. One of our clients, a huge biotech company, needed a logo to match the word we had come up for their campain: Momentum. The logo that they picked was pretty attractive, however, IMO, it showed "Momentum" the worst of all the logos we showed them. I didn't take it personally, we gave them the logo they wanted and took their money. I guess what I'm saying is that sometimes the labels come from your audience, and you pretty much have little choice but to sit back and be glad that people are thinking enough about you to call what your doing anything. Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, April 1, 2003, at 01:12 AM, Andre LaFosse wrote: > In the event > that you think up a better/catchier/more intriguing label for what I > do, I'd be happy to hear it... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 12:07:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31H1nc20296; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:01:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:01:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 09:01:24 -0800 Subject: Re: [looper's] RE: Tube amp HUMMMMMMM...Ground? Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAE36@LON-MAIL07> Message-Id: <91DB3B18-6463-11D7-A4F5-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You're right, putting in a proper ground made my power strips "ground" light come on, but didn't fix the hum. Maybe it's finally time to invest in a power line filter? Anyone have luck with them? I'm a little cautious of peeing around the perimeter of my apt, with the landlord living on the ground floor. Maybe a little salty water would do? Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, April 1, 2003, at 02:48 AM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >>we need to thump a brass/copper rod some 18 inches into the ground > next to your water or electric main. then soldier a copper cable from > the rod to the main housing.<< > > I'd be surprised if this is what's making the ampeg hum- there are a > number of other things I'd try, like reversing the live and neutral > (though consult an electrician before pursuing this). if you do > install an earth spike as per the above, one vital part of the > instruction is missing. you have to pee on it where it goes into the > ground- this will, I promise, guarantee the best electrical connection > for it. > > duncan. > > > > *********************************************************************** > **** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also > be privileged. 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Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003c01c2f86d$2ed12f60$bf08fc0c@amd> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h31H9IM21369 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I will try that for sure, couldn't hurt. I've always wondered how long will a 12ax7 preamp tube last? I've got a Digitech 2112 (that's been upgraded to the 2120) that's got the original tube it came with. It's got to be almost 10 years old at this point. I don't use it as much as I should, but when I do it seems to work fine and it sounds good to me. Thanks again for the info, Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, April 1, 2003, at 08:38 AM, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > My Ampeg SVT hummed when I got it (used).  Take it to your local tube > amp repair man and get it biased.  That cleared everything up for me.  > Although, it's ever so slowly starting to go out of whack again, after > six months.  But, such is life with tube amps.  I fear the day a tube > goes down on stage.  >   > -J > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:48 AM > Subject: [looper's] RE: Tube amp HUMMMMMMM...Ground? > > >>we need to thump a brass/copper rod some 18 inches into the ground > next to your water or electric main. then soldier a copper cable from > the rod to the main housing.<< > > I'd be surprised if this is what's making the ampeg hum- there are a > number of other things I'd try, like reversing the live and neutral > (though consult an electrician before pursuing this). if you do > install an earth spike as per the above, one vital part of the > instruction is missing. you have to pee on it where it goes into the > ground- this will, I promise, guarantee the best electrical connection > for it. > > duncan. > > > > *********************************************************************** > **** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also > be privileged. 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Any views or opinions expressed in this > e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily > represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, > nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. > > MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from > external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct > and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. > > MTV Networks Europe > *********************************************************************** > **** > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 12:28:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31HQZK23663; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:26:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:26:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 19:26:13 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_KSP8_first_impressions....it?= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Italo_De_Angelis?=" To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Loopers-Delight?=" X-XaM3-API-Version: 3.2 R29 (B54 pl1) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 80.116.92.124 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h31HQEM23605 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >yes...but the KSP8 is nearly a thousand dollars cheaper than the 7K! that >makes a very big difference for a lot of folks. >i have both: KSP8 and DSP7000. they're both awesome machines. does the >eventide have a bigger brain? yes. is the eventide more flexible? depends >on who you ask. No, it's definitely more flexable. Open platform means that you can completely build your own algorithms, control, modulation and UI. Can't do that on any other hardware platform. >is the eventide deeper? yes. is one better than the >other? nobody can answer that question. 32 years of FX processing history makes a big difference. 7 generations of products, world class studios, FoH, artists using Eventides. Everybody can answer this question. >as far as i'm concerned, i wouldn't part with either unit. they're both >very loop-friendly We have bankd of LOOPING only presets, David. We have done work for looping/serial music masters on our boxes. Maybe I should list the LOOP presets and include descriptions to show that we are not simply doing 10 sec mono multitap delay. >and when used in tandem with my EDPs, the sounds and >routings are virtually endless...very different boxes, both indespensible >for me. I don't discuss the usefulness or the quality of the 2 boxes, simply the openess/wider variety of applications/efx/looping tools/. Definitely an Eventide advantage. david- ___________________________________________ Italo De Angelis Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division italo@eventide.com EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 12:33:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31HVpw24338; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:31:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:31:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: SV: LAPTOP recommendations for LIVE LOOPING? Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 19:31:27 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000801c2f874$866d4cc0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <690F8D0E-6461-11D7-A4F5-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com He, he... Mark, you picked yourself just the right quotation from my post ;-) In fact the option "staying Mac" did not look too good back in -99 as there where absolutely no MP3 software for Mac and Steve Jobs refused to give out mobo spec's to BeOS (which by then was "THE AUDIO OS of the future") and also pulling the plug for all Apple clone licensees. So to take advantage of Be for audio production you had to go Intel. With Mac you would have to invest in TDM hardware and I have to say that a portable native system with softsynths looked as a better future ;-). Today it's easy to see why Apple killed off those guys ;-) BeOS for audio would be a serious competitor to OSX and after all Apple needs to sell Apple machines. Per > > I have a friend who has a great saying: > > PC's are only cheaper to people who don't value their time. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Tuesday, April 1, 2003, at 12:56 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > > > I could as well have stayed with Macs all the time and > saved a lot of > > money and troubleshooting time ;-) > > > > Cheers > > > > Per Boysen > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 12:55:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31HrAW26374; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:53:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:53:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1049219538.3e89d1d23115f@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:52:18 -0500 From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: KSP8 first impressions....it References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 64.40.76.242 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting Italo De Angelis : > Maybe I should list the LOOP presets and include descriptions to show that we > are not simply doing 10 sec mono multitap delay. that would an extremely helpful contribution to the list. i've spent the past 4 days digging through the archives of LD and your Eventide list trying to learn the details of EVERY rackmount looping solution i wasn't already familiar with. i haven't came up with much other than vague references to different boxes' capabilities. even on the eventide list i didn't find much talk about these looping presets that Dr Zvonar wrote, they sound fascinating in passing. also, does the "reverse delay" module on the DSP7k/Orvl use the sampling memory pool or the main memory pool? i'm also going to have to download the KSP8 manual now that there's been a positive review made of it. when they first announced it i didn't really "get" what exactly it was capable of. thanks, --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 12:57:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31Htpi26610; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:55:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:55:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 09:57:00 -0800 Subject: Re: Voiceworks - and other TC Electronics Products From: Ernie Mansfield To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi - I asked if anyone had tried this product from TC Electronics (Helicon), and no one responded, so I am asking again. Has anyone tried any of their vocal products? Voiceworks claims to have not only a mike preamp and dynamics controls, but also effects (including delay) and 4-voice harmony, including a new feature, called "harmonyhold", which will sustain harmonies while you sing another line. -- Ernie Mansfield Mansfield Music -- http://www.mansfieldmusic.com ernie@mansfieldmusic.com -- Hear my music at: http://www.mp3.com/erniemansfield From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 12:59:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31HwJn27062; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:58:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:58:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030401175800.37967.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 09:58:00 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: pickups - rainsong guitars - warmth... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <024101c2f802$77e34000$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Jimmy George Band wrote: > anybody out there ever played or own a rainsong guitar? A friend of mine has one, I think it's a full-graphite model. I played it once and have heard him play it, and I thought it sounded great. Don't have any suggestions regarding your pickup issues though, I've only heard it played acoustically. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://platinum.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 12:59:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31HvKO26845; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:57:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:57:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E89D2E2.9090509@cabq.gov> Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 10:56:50 -0700 From: Jason Fink User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Status: LD T-Shirt Version 2.0 References: <200304011705.h31H57v20799@hemlock.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <200304011705.h31H57v20799@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: >>>>>> Beautiful >>>>>> >>>>>>but the URL is wrong you forgot the "-" >>>>>> >>>>>>WWW.Loopers-Delight.com >>>>>>But I'll get some fo shu' >>>>>>Claude >>>>>> >>>>>> Hmmm, I never use the dash when i type the URL, it seems work either way. We can always print it with a dash though... i think that will be Kim's call... are you out there Kim? -jas http://dimbulb.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 13:01:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31HxU227404; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:59:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:59:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030401175901.41460.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 09:59:01 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Tutorial vids To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030401041851.88823.qmail@web40312.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Evan Meyers wrote: > i'd be interested in a tutorial video as a repeater > user...to get some new perspective on looping > techniques. have you guys considerred an all around > looping vid? something that demos all products? > obviously, your focus would be on the edp since you > guys are the masters of that, but throwing in a few > mintues showing some of the features on other devices > could make it worthwhile for the entire > community...but either way, i'm still interested in > seeing the edp one. I know Bill Walker has done some Repeater seminars. I'd love to have a video of one of those. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://platinum.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 13:04:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31HxbU27411; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:59:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:59:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200304011758.h31HwxM27163@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-type: text/plain Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:54:41 -0400 From: "Kenn Lowy" Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-to: "Kenn Lowy" Subject: FCB pedal programming help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can someone please tell me the correct way to program the two pedals on the FCB. I seem to missing one important step. Thanks in advance, Klowy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 13:08:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31I7kw28646; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:07:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:07:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030401180705.60925.qmail@web21501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:07:05 -0800 (PST) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: Status: LD T-Shirt Version 2.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3E89AF7A.8010804@cabq.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Too bad for the one sided shirt -- I really liked that 100% Feedback on the last shirt. But I'll still buy since I missed out last time :) --- Jason Fink wrote: > > Greetings Loopers, > > I wanted to fill everyone in on the current > status of the T-Shirt > project. > > We now have an officially approved 3 color > design, and the next > step is > to get pricing information and a sample shirt > printed. > > For the curious, the new design can be viewed > here: > http://gisweb.cabq.gov/ld4.jpg > > I probably will not be offering different > colored shirts, but I am > going to > consider the choice of long or short sleeves. > The printing will > only appear > on the front this year, the back will remain > untouched by printer's > ink. > > After I have a sample shirt in hand, I will post > a true life photo > and begin > taking orders. > > Just like last year, shirts will be paid for in > advance via Paypal > or check and > I will be shipping via Priority Mail (this > simplifies the shipping > charges and also > allows me to use boxes from the USPS instead of > having to buy them). > > This message is just to let folks know that, > indeed, the shirts will > be happening. > I will post all the gory details as soon as we > are ready, so stay tuned > to the list for all the up-to-date information. > > > The LD T-Shirt project is a fund raiser for the > Looper's Delight > website. Proceeds > help offset Kim's costs for running the server. > Last year was a very > sucessful project , > and with this year's retro, yet modern look and > snappy multi-color > design, we are > sure to attract positive attention. Yep, folks > are gonna come from > miles around just to > catch a glimpse you and your shirt, while you > manipulate the looper > of your choice... > > Thanks! > > -jas > > Jason Fink > LD Shirt Guy > http://zebox.com/dimbulb > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://platinum.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 13:15:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31IE2H29437; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:14:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:14:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1049219538.3e89d1d23115f@www.suitandtieguy.com> References: <1049219538.3e89d1d23115f@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:11:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: KSP8 first impressions....it Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1162901673==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: <16MZvB.A.DLH.Wbdi-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1162901673==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 12:52 PM -0500 4/1/03, Eric Williamson wrote: >even on the eventide list i didn't find much talk about these >looping presets that Dr Zvonar wrote, they sound fascinating in >passing. The 4-track program is a fairly straightforward delay-based looper. Scot Gilfix took my basic algorithm and made several variations for the release version, but here are the essentials: Four loops running in parallel Loop lengths are set individually as multiples of an underlying "measure" length This measure can be set to a particular number of beats There is a master tempo and a visual metronome Choice of any single input can be made by the external control pedal Parameters of individual channels that can be controlled from the front panel or via MIDI; Input levels Feedback levels Loop lengths Output levels Pans Playback pitch Lowpass filter It works pretty well within the confines of a delay-based looping paradigm, and I use it in some of my own performances. It could certainly be modified by anyone who is capable with Vsig, and it could be combined in series with Machine B on the Orville. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1162901673==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: KSP8 first impressions....it
At 12:52 PM -0500 4/1/03, Eric Williamson wrote:

even on the eventide list i didn't find much talk about these looping presets that Dr Zvonar wrote, they sound fascinating in passing.

The 4-track program is a fairly straightforward delay-based looper. Scot Gilfix took my basic algorithm and made several variations for the release version, but here are the essentials:

Four loops running in parallel

Loop lengths are set individually as multiples of an underlying "measure" length

This measure can be set to a particular number of beats

There is a master tempo and a visual metronome

Choice of any single input can be made by the external control pedal

Parameters of individual channels that can be controlled from the front panel or via MIDI;

Input levels
Feedback levels
Loop lengths
Output levels
Pans
Playback pitch
Lowpass filter

It works pretty well within the confines of a delay-based looping paradigm, and I use it in some of my own performances. It could certainly be modified by anyone who is capable with Vsig,  and it could be combined in series with Machine B on the Orville.
--

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Richard Zvonar, PhD      
(818) 788-2202                                 
http://www.zvonar.com
http://RZCybernetics.com
--============_-1162901673==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 13:19:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31IEBD29463; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:14:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:14:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000801c2f874$866d4cc0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> References: <000801c2f874$866d4cc0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:13:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: SV: SV: LAPTOP recommendations for LIVE LOOPING? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:31 PM +0200 4/1/03, Per Boysen wrote: >BeOS for audio would be a serious competitor to OSX BeOS is still better in many respects than Mac OS X. It's a real shame that it's languishing. I still have it on an old 603 Mac. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 13:25:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31IKq330382; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:20:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:20:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030401181913.47650.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:19:13 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Eventide looping presets To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Italo_De_Angelis wrote: > We have bankd of LOOPING only presets, David. > We have done work for looping/serial music masters on our boxes. > Maybe I should list the LOOP presets and include descriptions to show that we > are not simply doing 10 sec mono multitap delay. I'd like to see this list and descriptions (also which machines they are available for, Orville, Eclipse, DSP7000, etc) Thanks, Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://platinum.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 13:52:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31InES00999; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:49:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:49:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 09:49:20 -0800 Subject: Re: KSP8 first impressions....it's a looper, too From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So, David, does this mean you've abandoned your Korg units? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 14:03:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31IwQB01957; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:58:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:58:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:00:26 -0800 Subject: Re: Voiceworks - and other TC Electronics Products Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <32EF3859-6474-11D7-8414-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That probably means no one here has used it. Check out Harmony Central's site. http://www.harmonycentral.com Mark On Tuesday, April 1, 2003, at 09:57 AM, Ernie Mansfield wrote: > Hi - I asked if anyone had tried this product from TC Electronics > (Helicon), > and no one responded, so I am asking again. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 14:14:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31JCe803648; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:12:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:12:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: KSP8 first impressions....it's a looper, too To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:13:15 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 04/01/2003 02:13:17 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great heavens, no! I have a very hard time discarding old, loved tools---and the DL8000R is still in heavy rotation... In fact, I didn't mean to imply that I'm using, or even planning to use, the KSP8 as a looper, just that it has enough delay memory, and ample flexibility, to be a serviceable one, along with its stupendous fx. That would suit me, tho, since I consider myself more of a sound-design type than a looper, despite my fondness for looping. I'm quite satisfied with short loops (that I usually post-process) as opposed to using the looping tool itself to restructure or complexify the looping process, tho I'm getting intrigued. And I definitely prefer delays to samplers as looping tools. So, since you asked, I'm also using a UD-Stomp, and the multi-tap algorithms on both an Eclipse and the KSP8 for a variant that I call looping; those rhythmic patterns that I mentioned in my little review (also a fabulously implemented on the DL8000....) David <> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 14:28:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31JQv505274; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:26:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:26:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E89E940.6B4949F2@usa.net> Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 12:32:40 -0700 From: Lee Sebel Reply-To: synman@usa.net Organization: Cool Music Gear X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Time to delurk - preparing to gig! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all...I've enjoyed absorbing over the last many months, and getting to meet at least one of you (Hi Greg!)...now it's time to ask for some input. It's time for me to take my gig concept live, and I want to incorporate looping into what I do. I've been able to acquire both an EDP w/ footswitch and a Repeater. I'm keyboard based, so my initial concept is to sync my loopers to my Kurzweil K2500 via MIDI clock. I want to have some prerecorded rhythm sequences that I can mix and play and loop along with. Other instruments that I plan on using are a Yamaha VL1 and a Korg Prophecy, eventually adding my Nord Modular once I get the data knob fixed. I'd like to be able to get any of my keyboards into either looper. I currently have a couple of Rane splitter mixers (2x6) that could be used to route stereo outs from each instrument to either the loopers or a Roland M120 line mixer. I'm open to suggestions though, and would especially welcome hearing from those of you who use both an EDP and Repeater as I will be attempting. Anything regarding audio or MIDI routing would be most welcome. -- Tonefully yours... Lee Sebel • Cool Music Gear You Can't Live Without • 888-487-2166 Representing Innovative Instruments of Impeccable Quality 2way Messaging : coolmusic@my2way.com >>> Give a listen to my original music <<< http://www.mp3.com/voltz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 15:24:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31KLiq11056; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 15:21:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 15:21:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Looping9string@aol.com Message-ID: <7d.3707fd96.2bbb4ead@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 15:21:01 EST Subject: VOLUNTEER To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7d.3707fd96.2bbb4ead_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_7d.3707fd96.2bbb4ead_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a digital video camera ... and software to make DVDs If someone would pay may expenses for me to attend loopstock, I would digitally video tape as much as possible and make custom content DVDs to order, I would charge as little as I could to make them and the person(s) responsible for sending me would get the largest cut from the sale of the DVD discs? I would be willing to work out any and all other legalities as well! I could make MPEG or AVI clips for web sites that the artists and LD could use too. I mentioned this idea a while back to Andre but got no response... I know he's busy! ;) And hey, maybe artists could donate their percentage to LOOPERS DELIGHT? Crazy idea I know but I would be very willing to work it all out and compromise! Any suggestions, or takers? --part1_7d.3707fd96.2bbb4ead_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a digital video camera ... and software to make= DVDs

If someone would pay may expenses for me to attend loopstock, I would digita= lly video tape as much as possible and make custom content DVDs to order, I=20= would charge as little as I could to make them and the person(s) responsible= for sending me would get the largest cut from the sale of the DVD discs?
I would be willing to work out any and all other legalities as well!

I could make MPEG or AVI clips for web sites that the artists and LD could u= se too.

I mentioned this idea a while back to Andre but got no response...

I know he's busy! ;)

And hey, maybe artists could donate their percentage to LOOPERS DELIGHT?

Crazy idea I know but I would be very willing to work it all out and comprom= ise!

Any suggestions, or takers? --part1_7d.3707fd96.2bbb4ead_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 15:45:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31KfTM13051; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 15:41:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 15:41:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030401123803.0548f008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 12:40:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Status: LD T-Shirt Version 2.0 In-Reply-To: <3E89D2E2.9090509@cabq.gov> References: <200304011705.h31H57v20799@hemlock.violacea.com> <200304011705.h31H57v20799@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The official version is with the dash: www.Loopers-Delight.com It does work either way, since I have both registered. kim At 09:56 AM 4/1/2003, you wrote: >>>>>>>Beautiful >>>>>>> >>>>>>>but the URL is wrong you forgot the "-" >>>>>>> >>>>>>>WWW.Loopers-Delight.com >>>>>>>But I'll get some fo shu' >>>>>>>Claude >>>>>>> > > >Hmmm, I never use the dash when i type the URL, >it seems work either way. We can always print it with a dash though... >i think that will be Kim's call... are you out there Kim? ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 16:26:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31LOYP18025; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 16:24:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 16:24:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jody Rael" To: Subject: RE: Voiceworks - and other TC Electronics Products Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 16:23:38 -0500 Message-ID: <9F5857F63727644090BEBC1EEC33F8DE015B2D@server.kling.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use Voice Prism- It is amazing- 4 part harmonies that are variable to scale and gender- you can change the gender of your own voice. It must get midi chord changes because it harmonizes right on key- it is adjustable to attack- how voices sound- I've just played with their presets- though it seems adjustable to the nth degree- It really sounds like a backup group Jody Rael -----Original Message----- From: Ernie Mansfield [mailto:ernie@mansfieldmusic.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:57 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Voiceworks - and other TC Electronics Products Hi - I asked if anyone had tried this product from TC Electronics (Helicon), and no one responded, so I am asking again. Has anyone tried any of their vocal products? Voiceworks claims to have not only a mike preamp and dynamics controls, but also effects (including delay) and 4-voice harmony, including a new feature, called "harmonyhold", which will sustain harmonies while you sing another line. -- Ernie Mansfield Mansfield Music -- http://www.mansfieldmusic.com ernie@mansfieldmusic.com -- Hear my music at: http://www.mp3.com/erniemansfield From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 17:54:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31MocT27138; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 17:50:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 17:50:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030401163210.02fe9180@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 16:48:52 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: SV: LAPTOP recommendations for LIVE LOOPING? In-Reply-To: <690F8D0E-6461-11D7-A4F5-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> References: <000a01c2f82c$a1eda230$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:45 AM 4/1/2003 -0800, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >I have a friend who has a great saying: > >PC's are only cheaper to people who don't value their time. *sigh* I really don't want to get embroiled in a full-blown OS debate, but I just wanted to point out that I've spent far more time screaming at my Macs than I ever have at my PC's. Circumstances differ. For some people and for some applications, Mac's are superior. For others, PC's rock. For still others, Atari / Amiga / Solaris / Linux / BSD / BeOS may be the ultimate expression of function. Burn your flags. Bottom line: whatever works. Anything else is just a marketing slogan.... -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 18:04:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31Mx7327982; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 17:59:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 17:59:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030401165049.02f6f970@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 16:57:59 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: SV: SV: LAPTOP recommendations for LIVE LOOPING? In-Reply-To: References: <000801c2f874$866d4cc0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <000801c2f874$866d4cc0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:13 AM 4/1/2003 -0800, Richard Zvonar wrote: >BeOS is still better in many respects than Mac OS X. It's a real shame >that it's languishing. I still have it on an old 603 Mac. Know what you mean: I've still got it running on an old dual-PentiumPro in the back. Bulletproof... If you haven't already, take a look at http://www.beunited.com. Several groups are still trying to port BeOS over to an open-source project. This site acts as a coordination point. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 18:34:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31NWGR31121; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 18:32:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 18:32:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 Message-ID: <3E8A21CC.3070307@ernieball.com> Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 15:33:32 -0800 From: Hans Lindauer Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [LOOPSTOCK] Schedule Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Loopers, Here's the schedule for Loopstock this Saturday, April 5th, 2003 in San Luis Obispo, CA USA: 11:00-11:30 - Check-In & Set-Up & Looper's Swap Meet 11:30-12:15 - Clinic: Tinker-Toys for Loopists: The Looper Construction Kit (Dennis Leas) 12:15-1:00 - Clinic: Reviving the JamMan; Concepts and Techniques in Loop-Based Composition, Improvisation, and Collaboration (Max Valentino) 1:00-1:45 - Clinic: Getting the Most out of your Repeater (Bill Walker) 1:45-2:00 - Break 2:00-2:30 - Talk: History of Looping, Part II (Dr. Richard Zvonar) 2:30-3:15 - Clinic: Concepts of Time Perception and Synchronization and other Self Teaching Concepts for Live Looping (Rick Walker) 3:15-4:00 - Clinic: Echoplex Digital Pro Looping Techniques (Andre LaFosse) 4:30-4:45 - Break 4:00-4:30 - Andre LaFosse 4:45-5:15 - Armatronix 5:15-5:45 - Stanitarium 5:45-6:15 - Steven Rice 6:15-7:15 - Dinner Break / ?EDP Tutorial Video Preview? 7:15-7:45 - Mark Hamburg 7:45-8:15 - Richard Zvonar 8:15-8:45 - John Whooley 8:45-9:15 - Rick Walker 9:15-9:30 - Webmaster of the Year Award Presentation 9:30-10:00 - Bill Walker 10:00-10:30 - Max Valentino 10:30-11:00 - Jon Wagner For directions and info, please visit http://www.armatronix.com Hope to see you there! -Hans Lindauer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 18:36:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31NZIF31517; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 18:35:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 18:35:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030401233456.99012.qmail@web11404.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 15:34:56 -0800 (PST) From: "Rich R." Subject: Re: Status: LD T-Shirt Version 2.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3E89AF7A.8010804@cabq.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Looks cool. I'm down for one. Rich --- Jason Fink wrote: > > Greetings Loopers, > > I wanted to fill everyone in on the current > status of the T-Shirt > project. > > We now have an officially approved 3 color > design, and the next > step is > to get pricing information and a sample shirt > printed. > > For the curious, the new design can be viewed > here: > http://gisweb.cabq.gov/ld4.jpg > > I probably will not be offering different > colored shirts, but I am > going to > consider the choice of long or short sleeves. > The printing will > only appear > on the front this year, the back will remain > untouched by printer's > ink. > > After I have a sample shirt in hand, I will post > a true life photo > and begin > taking orders. > > Just like last year, shirts will be paid for in > advance via Paypal > or check and > I will be shipping via Priority Mail (this > simplifies the shipping > charges and also > allows me to use boxes from the USPS instead of > having to buy them). > > This message is just to let folks know that, > indeed, the shirts will > be happening. > I will post all the gory details as soon as we > are ready, so stay tuned > to the list for all the up-to-date information. > > > The LD T-Shirt project is a fund raiser for the > Looper's Delight > website. Proceeds > help offset Kim's costs for running the server. > Last year was a very > sucessful project , > and with this year's retro, yet modern look and > snappy multi-color > design, we are > sure to attract positive attention. Yep, folks > are gonna come from > miles around just to > catch a glimpse you and your shirt, while you > manipulate the looper > of your choice... > > Thanks! > > -jas > > Jason Fink > LD Shirt Guy > http://zebox.com/dimbulb > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://platinum.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 19:10:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3208Dq02025; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 19:08:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 19:08:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016201c2f8ab$935ae960$f662f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200304011928.h31JShl05486@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Laptop recommendations Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 16:05:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The inevitable Mac/PC debate will go on forever, however, Several people have advised me to purchase a laptop based on the specific software that I know I want to use. There is much incredible software for both platforms but the software I am addicted to working with are: 1) ACID 2)Sound Forge (not the best digital editor but certainly the easiest and most intuitive to use of the three major ones on PC) 3)Vegas Video 4) Tuareg 5) Fruity Loops pro which was the best software drum machine in all existence until they recently went through the stratosphere with their new Fruity Loops Studio...........check out the latest issue of Computer Music for a thorough run down on the incredible changes to this program These are all, unfortunately, for Macies, PC only programs. They also represent a solid three years of learning curve to get really fluent in using. other programs that I will be using are found on both platforms (Ableton's live, Antares KANTOS---------check this one out Macies and PCers.......it's the bomb) The other salient factor is the price.............right now for the price it would take me to buy a closed architecture Titanium 800 mghz laptop I can get a state of the art and upgradeable PC laptop. So, configuration time with the PC has to be weighed against learning curve of all brand new software plus familiarization of a brand new operating system. I salute you Macies.................their is no doubt that you all use elegant systems that run smoothly.......but finances and time are pushing me towards the darkside................sorry................LOL Thanks for all of your advise.............yours, Rick P.S. I still don't know what sound card to get though, if there is more input on that particular question, I'd appreciate it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 19:42:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h320cLu04409; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 19:38:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 19:38:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 16:38:25 -0800 Subject: Re: [LOOPSTOCK] Schedule Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: sheila & joe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3E8A21CC.3070307@ernieball.com> Message-Id: <6A4C1722-64A3-11D7-BB22-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: <2cbBqD.A.8DB.jDji-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the update Hans. Item requests for loopers swap meet: Switches for EDP foot control....please! 30 pin simms for memory upgrade. (EDP) joe On Tuesday, April 1, 2003, at 03:33 PM, Hans Lindauer wrote: > Dear Loopers, > > Here's the schedule for Loopstock this Saturday, April 5th, 2003 in > San Luis Obispo, CA USA: > > 11:00-11:30 - Check-In & Set-Up & Looper's Swap Meet > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 19:43:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h320dBd04474; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 19:39:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 19:39:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 16:41:31 -0800 Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations(why a laptop at all?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <016201c2f8ab$935ae960$f662f93f@global> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, April 1, 2003, at 04:05 PM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: > The other salient factor is the price.............right now for the > price it > would take me to buy a closed architecture Titanium 800 mghz laptop I > can get a state of the art and upgradeable PC laptop. I'm not trying to fuel the debate (I work on Macs and PCs every day and mostly it makes no difference, I'd just rather not fund Microsoft) but what do you mean by "Closed architecture"? Macs have taken standard RAM, Hard Drives, USB and Firewire hookups for a long time now. There are even 3rd party processor upgrades for most models. You mentioned Closed Architecture before too, and I'm not clear on what it means. From what I can tell, most laptops are of limited and expensive upgradeability on both platforms. It's the price you pay for portability. On another standpoint in the price/vs portability topic, I'm still unclear as to why a laptop is the best way to go. Sure, you can run a cool VST synth and maybe a few effects, but there's usually a latency hit after you get too many VST instruments begging for clock cycles. Every time I've looked into doing laptop music, I come away thinking, "For the same money I could buy a KILLER workstation and a looper, but that perform much better. I played around with the new Roland V Synth last weekend and WOOO HOOO that seems like a fun toy. The audio demos on line do not do it justice at all. Sure, I can't surf the web with it, but I think you'd be hard pressed to find a laptop and software for the same price that was as cool and versatile. Just some thoughts. It's a hell of a lot bigger too but it's got a built in keyboard, KAOSS pad type controller and an airFX style controller too. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 19:51:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h320kpL05241; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 19:46:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 19:46:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030401175700.01ebdb00@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 18:45:35 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: LAPTOP recommendations for LIVE LOOPING? In-Reply-To: <028901c2f824$8ac877e0$a164f93f@global> References: <200303312143.h2VLhwN04354@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:56 PM 3/31/2003 -0800, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: >I am in the market for a laptop computer so that I can >record, use Ableton's LIVE as a realtime performance enhancer >and use real time USB/Midi control over soft synths. > >I anticipate using a Digi Designs M-box to get audio signal into the >computer. > >What have you bought that you dig in terms of a sound card. >It needs to have USB 2 and midi/in out (and preferably SPDIF if that's even >possible). I'm having pretty good luck with M-Audio's Quattro card. Currently, I'm using it on my Titanium PowerBook 667, but in the past I've also installed it on my old Sony Vaio & Dell Latitude C810. It provides 4 channels I/O at 16/24bit & 44/48/96k sampling rate + Midi In & Out. 24bit/96k is only available on 2 channels (either in or out) simultaneously, and it also features zero-latency monitoring for recording. I usually have mine set up with quad-outs at 24/48k, which does me pretty well since I'm predominantly using VSTi's (you mention above that you're planning on using an Mbox for input, so you'd probably end up with a similar config). Unfortunately, it's only USB 1.1, but I've never noticed any problem. Also, no S/PDIF. I'm using the Quattro with an Oxygen keyboard and getting latencies in the ~5-9ms range. I'd recommend (if you haven't already considered it) getting a laptop with multiple USB ports, since too much data could clog your pipe on a single interface. If possible, see if the multiple USB ports are on different data busses, although that may be too much to ask on a laptop. M-Audio originally got some bad reactions to the Quattro's initial release, because there was a groundswell of interest at it's initial announcement so they brought it to market a little prematurely. Since then, they've put a lot of development time into getting the drivers right, and they've good stable releases on Wintel, OS9, & OSX. As for other possibilities, it also sounds like you've checked out some of the specs on the new Emagic 6|2 -- USB with 6 ins, 2 outs, MIDI I/O, and S/PDIF. Wish I could tell you more about it, but I've not laid hands-on myself. I can say that over on the Laptop Mozart list, no-one's ever said a good word about its sister card -- the Emagic 2|6 -- which evidently really shows configuration and latency problems. Also, given the way that Emagic has treated PC users in the wake of its purchase by Apple, I just don't trust 'em on that platform. In addition, the Edirol card has gotten good reactions from users as long as you factor in the extra budget to buy third-party drivers. Evidently, the original drivers which Edirol provide suck. Anyway, hope that helps some.... -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 19:55:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h320ou605767; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 19:50:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 19:50:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: SV: LAPTOP recommendations for LIVE LOOPING? Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 16:50:29 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <690F8D0E-6461-11D7-A4F5-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > What have you bought that you dig in terms of a sound card. > It needs to have USB 2 and midi/in out (and preferably SPDIF if Rick, not sure what you're asking. I use a RME HDSP Multiface to play live... works great, does everything you want... very solid driver implementation. But if you're using the Mbox you have everything you need already, right? > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > I have a friend who has a great saying: > > PC's are only cheaper to people who don't value their time. or... PC's are only cheaper... ummm, in every conceivable way. After installing XP on my last machine, all I had to do was install drivers and my entire music system was up and running. It's a given that installing drivers may be daunting for newbies, but it really wasn't that difficult. For those who suffered through 98 and previous systems... that sucks. It was a rough time, but things are definitely much better now. Don't get me wrong, I hate Microsoft... really and truly. I'm a UNIX guy and just started messing about in OSX. The number of things you have to figure out in OSX is not trivial, imho... I'm not sure where everyone gets the idea that Macs are really all that easy to just get up and running. But then, I have no real conception of where someone would start if they were coming at it from scratch. After playing around with OSX for a while I'm convinced I want one (for development more than music right now) and it REALLY SUCKS BECAUSE MACS ARE SO F'IN EXPENSIVE. So the point of this post is to say that I wish Macs were cheaper, but they're not. Can one of you guys write a letter to Apple? Thanks. You know that $1100-$1500 on the Dell website gets a machine that will pretty much beat the pants off a Powerbook? I really wish that wasn't the case. Paul > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 8:46 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: SV: LAPTOP recommendations for LIVE LOOPING? > > > I have a friend who has a great saying: > > PC's are only cheaper to people who don't value their time. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Tuesday, April 1, 2003, at 12:56 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > > > I could as well have stayed with Macs all the time and saved a > > lot of money and troubleshooting time ;-) > > > > Cheers > > > > Per Boysen > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 20:12:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3219Tq07463; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 20:09:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 20:09:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 20:09:15 -0500 Subject: Re: SV: LAPTOP recommendations for LIVE LOOPING? From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm using a metric halo Mobile I/O and boy am I a happy camper. http://www.mhlabs.com the drivers are great, the interface is unreal, with unlimited routing possibilities, the mic pre's are great, and best of all, bus powered, and a titanium sits right atop it. i'm using the 8228, but you can get a 2 channel as well. drawback -- a little heavy... t. On 4/1/03 7:50 PM, "Paul Weissman" wrote: > >> What have you bought that you dig in terms of a sound card. >> It needs to have USB 2 and midi/in out (and preferably SPDIF if > > Rick, not sure what you're asking. I use a RME HDSP Multiface to play > live... works great, does everything you want... very solid driver > implementation. But if you're using the Mbox you have everything you need > already, right? > >> From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] >> I have a friend who has a great saying: >> >> PC's are only cheaper to people who don't value their time. > > or... > > PC's are only cheaper... ummm, in every conceivable way. > > After installing XP on my last machine, all I had to do was install drivers > and my entire music system was up and running. It's a given that installing > drivers may be daunting for newbies, but it really wasn't that difficult. > > For those who suffered through 98 and previous systems... that sucks. It > was a rough time, but things are definitely much better now. > > Don't get me wrong, I hate Microsoft... really and truly. I'm a UNIX guy > and just started messing about in OSX. The number of things you have to > figure out in OSX is not trivial, imho... I'm not sure where everyone gets > the idea that Macs are really all that easy to just get up and running. But > then, I have no real conception of where someone would start if they were > coming at it from scratch. > > After playing around with OSX for a while I'm convinced I want one (for > development more than music right now) and it REALLY SUCKS BECAUSE MACS ARE > SO F'IN EXPENSIVE. So the point of this post is to say that I wish Macs > were cheaper, but they're not. > > Can one of you guys write a letter to Apple? Thanks. > > You know that $1100-$1500 on the Dell website gets a machine that will > pretty much beat the pants off a Powerbook? I really wish that wasn't the > case. > > Paul > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] >> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 8:46 AM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: SV: LAPTOP recommendations for LIVE LOOPING? >> >> >> I have a friend who has a great saying: >> >> PC's are only cheaper to people who don't value their time. >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> >> On Tuesday, April 1, 2003, at 12:56 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >>> I could as well have stayed with Macs all the time and saved a >>> lot of money and troubleshooting time ;-) >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Per Boysen >>> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 21:33:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h322T9G15254; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 21:29:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 21:29:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002a01c2f8bf$8548fbf0$bf08fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations(why a laptop at all?) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 19:28:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's what I'm leaning towards right now for realtime audio processing (AudioMulch, soft samplers, soft synths, etc.): Desktop PC in a rack-mount server chassis, with a rack-mount pull-out drawer containing a keyboard, and a wireless optical mouse, and a flat-screen monitor on the side. The only setup would be plugging in the monitor and power cables. Pros: 1. Desktop CPU power. 2. Desktop hardware prices. 3. More choices for audio interfaces, since you can choose PCI bus based ones (e.g. Aardvark Direct Pro series). 4. Completely modular and upgradable (provided you build it yourself or have it custom built, and don't just buy some proprietary box from Gateway or something). Cons: 1. Flatscreen monitors are expensive (but if you are hardcore [i.e. poor like me] then you could substitute a regular monitor). 2. Another six-space rack to lug (probably 30 lbs). I have not been reading intently lately, but I sense that the PCI bus is on its way out, to be replaced by Firewire. USB2 and whatever else comes along, but for some reason I still trust a desktop machine more than a laptop. Maybe that's folly, since a laptop should be designed to be moved around and jostled, and a desktop (even in a server case) is designed to sit in a rack in a machine room. Although, there are shock-mount kits you can get for rack-mount chassis. -J P.S. I am also thinking about using a laptop for less CPU intensive stuff like running my sequencer, and generating clock. > On another standpoint in the price/vs portability topic, I'm still > unclear as to why a laptop is the best way to go. Sure, you can run a > cool VST synth and maybe a few effects, but there's usually a latency > hit after you get too many VST instruments begging for clock cycles. > Every time I've looked into doing laptop music, I come away thinking, > "For the same money I could buy a KILLER workstation and a looper, but > that perform much better. > > Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 22:05:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h32314h18305; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 22:01:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 22:01:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030401185542.00b209a8@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 19:00:38 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: [LOOPSTOCK] Schedule In-Reply-To: <6A4C1722-64A3-11D7-BB22-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> References: <3E8A21CC.3070307@ernieball.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <-sduIC.A.ndE.iJli-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got two pairs of EDP Loop3 v5.0 software, one of which is from a vintage Oberheim unit. I also have two pair of the rare and much-sought-after LoopIV v1.0, hand-labeled by the inventor. First come, first served - no early-birds. -Hans At 16:38 01/04/2003, you wrote: >Thanks for the update Hans. > >Item requests for loopers swap meet: > >Switches for EDP foot control....please! >30 pin simms for memory upgrade. (EDP) > > >joe > > > > >On Tuesday, April 1, 2003, at 03:33 PM, Hans Lindauer wrote: > >>Dear Loopers, >> >>Here's the schedule for Loopstock this Saturday, April 5th, 2003 in San >>Luis Obispo, CA USA: >> >>11:00-11:30 - Check-In & Set-Up & Looper's Swap Meet From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 22:52:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h323okR22976; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 22:50:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 22:50:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005301c2f8cb$3e2bc2a0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <000401c2f7f2$ce54b780$c29ca044@hppav> <005f01c2f83d$15a93760$25424ed5@bigboy> Subject: Re: EDP -- history of stuff Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 22:52:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop018.verizon.net from [68.160.152.241] at Tue, 1 Apr 2003 21:50:27 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve - You're right, Kim and Matthias' "separation" of the software from the hardware was/is very smart. And I totally agree, the EDP is a very very cool and unique device. Back in 1999 when Opcode went belly up, (if memory serves me) I believe Gibson sold-off the entire Oberheim line (to an Italian company). Only the EDP was retained thanks to the efforts of one individual inside Gibson (who's name is completely escaping me). I'd say a "two-pronged" press on Gibson helped resuscitate the EDP: 1) Inspiration: "The Man Inside Gibson Who's Name I Cannot Remember" - for retaining the EDP with Gibson; 2) Demand: Demonstrating market interest in the EDP a number of ways; including, for example, presenting high LD-site web-traffic stats. We did everything we could to demonstrate that if the unit were produced, it would sell profitably. One proof-point was presenting to Gibson a "bulk-order" for over 200+ EDP's with no sales & distribution costs, if they just used available inventory. Back in 1999, I'd estimate 99% of Gibson Sales and Marketing would have understood the EDP to be a tape-based delay! The point is, unfortunately unless Gibson could make a buck, they wouldn't have cared if the EDP died. Ultimately, the quality of the software from Kim and Matthias has created a unique and wonderful product, which in turn has created the demand and interest in the EDP. It's the interest -- manifested by regular EDP sales -- that keeps it alive. Actually, I'm curious -- how many readers are using EDP's that they bought from this 1999 "pre-production" order? David Kirkdorffer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lawson" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:54 AM Subject: Re: EDP cost/promotion/etc -- history of stuff > > So, we are very very very lucky that Gibson re-re-re-started production of > > the Echoplex Digital Pro. > > ...It's not 'luck' at all, but more to the business smarts of Kim and > Matthias in keeping the rights to the unit and licensing it - this way their > development costs are restricted to working on designs/prototypes and > software (not insubstantial, but not like being saddled with 1000 obselete > boxes), and they then licence the product... I think it does them a little > disservice to describe the great situation that we're in re: the EDP as > 'luck' > > ;o) > > FWIW, I think the EDP is an incredible box - yes, it'd be nice to have a > stereo version, have a smaller version, have different covers like mobile > phones so that I could match my nails each time I play... but as it is, it's > the best around, and has greatly expanded my musical world. Thanks guys! > > Steve > www.steve-lawson.co.uk > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 1 23:38:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h324Z3O28935; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 23:35:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 23:35:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E8A682B.2050404@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 23:33:47 -0500 From: Steve & Marty Thomas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Rick's laptop... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0TKPkB.A.qDH.phmi-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey everyone, I'm new to the group. As far as Rick's situation goes I would suggest buying the fastest processor with as much RAM as possible as he can afford. Let me strongly suggest using a firewire based interface like a presonus firestation or MOTU828 instead of usb. As far as pc vs mac? Go with the platform you're familiar with. Make sure that your version of ableton is optimized for OSX and XP. Kantos, to my knowledge, is currently only available for mac. Rick, keep in mind the biggest gap between using a laptop soft synth and keyboard controller is latency. Using this and Ableton live on the same pc MAY be maddening in a live setting. Consider how track intensive your looping arrangements are going to be and how much real time control you need out of a synth. If all you need to do are filter sweeps and adsr manipulation running something like Storm, or Absynth, should be fine with an oxygen 8. Otherwise seek out a piece of hardware like a korg microkorg or novation Kstation. You'll be able to sync these up through midi to ableton and would leave your laptop free to do process audio. Good Luck, Steven From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 2 00:02:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h324vxP32268; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 23:57:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 23:57:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 20:57:43 -0800 From: Tim Thompson Subject: RE: SV: LAPTOP recommendations for LIVE LOOPING? In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01a501c2f8d4$66178d90$15a8a8c0@NOLA> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <0Sl_vD.A.d3H.K3mi-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > What have you bought that you dig in terms of a sound card. > It needs to have USB 2 and midi/in out (and preferably SPDIF if Although it's only USB 1.something and not 2.0, you might consider the Edirol UA-20. Midi in/out, rca stereo audio in/out, and SPDIF optical output. Super light, powered by USB. I use one with Win98/se and it's working well. ...Tim... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 2 00:08:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3254Qj00920; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 00:04:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 00:04:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030401220919.00ab5c20@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 22:09:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Burden babies(off topic) In-Reply-To: <20030401165341.6717.qmail@web40513.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h3254Fn00853 Resent-Message-ID: <2vrOkC.A.mN.Q9mi-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com With all due respect to all of you, please keep your speculations or opinions as to my role or nature or choices as a woman OFF THIS LIST!!! GET A LIFE!, PLAY COOL MUSIC and leave my reproductive tract THE HELL OUT OF THIS!!!, K? thanks... Cara At 08:53 AM 4/1/03 -0800, you wrote: >Hi Mark, >But yes, i definetly find the vasectomy a great choice >if you don´t want any more children. >after 2 kids i am giving it a serious consideration >(my apologies for the major off topic gang) >cheers >l.a >--- Mark Sottilaro wrote: >> No offense taken at all... but although this is >> major off topic, I went >> totally willing. I thought, "Am I going to miss an >> aspect of life I >> shouldn't miss?" then I thought, does the world need >> another human. >> No. Do I have any free time to spend raising a >> child? No. Not >> without it seriously cutting into my music time. >> >> We've got close friends with a 3 year old and we >> spend time with them >> almost every week. Plus, with two bratty cats, >> we're pretty much full >> up here. My wife has never wanted children and we >> both agreed that it >> was probably bad for her to take hormones for the >> rest of her life. >> The trade was pretty good IMO, just had to sit on an >> icepack for a week >> or so. >> >> Anyway, thanks for your concern, but none was >> necessary. >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> >> On Tuesday, April 1, 2003, at 12:28 AM, Louie Angulo >> wrote: >> >> >> Mark sorry to hear that brother,without ofence it >> is >> > strange for a mature woman to choose this option >> as it >> > is in their nature to have babies.I couldnt begin >> to >> > tell you how my kids have changed my life and how >> much >> > you learn about yourself through them.Children and >> > animals are the highest form of purity in this >> world >> > and as much of a burden people think they are ,one >> > smile from your own child has no price and it can >> be >> > the medicine to all of your frustrations.Their >> > inocence is something for us to go back and learn >> from >> > as it gets lost along the way.This is why they are >> to >> > me the true representation of god.When my 4 year >> old >> > grabs my guitar and tries to seriously show my 2 >> year >> > old daughter how he can play like me i watch them >> > secretly in awe... he can barely carry it and i >> have >> > tears in my eyes from laughing! >> > P.S.(If you saved some of your fruitful sperm you >> > still have a chance!) >> > >> >> Someone like my wife, who's never wanted children >> >> and drove me to my >> >> vasectomy to make sure it didn't happen, must >> have >> >> been crazy to choose >> >> to be barren and spend her extra leisure time >> doing >> >> music, graphic and >> >> jewelry design when she could have had the joy of >> >> bearing and raising >> >> my children instead. (who I'm sure would be >> sweet >> >> little angels, just >> >> like I am/was) Also, I see that my reason to >> make >> >> music is totally >> >> different now that I'm infertile. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > ===== >> > www.labalou.com >> > >> > __________________________________________________ >> > Do you Yahoo!? >> > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, >> forms, and more >> > http://platinum.yahoo.com >> > >> > > >===== >www.labalou.com > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more >http://platinum.yahoo.com > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 2 01:49:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h326iuJ11376; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 01:44:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 01:44:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: [looper's] RE: Tube amp HUMMMMMMM...Ground? From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 02 Apr 2003 00:48:30 -0500 Message-Id: <1049262511.2724.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 12:09, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > I will try that for sure, couldn't hurt. I've always wondered how long > will a 12ax7 preamp tube last? I've got a Digitech 2112 (that's been > upgraded to the 2120) that's got the original tube it came with. It's > got to be almost 10 years old at this point. I don't use it as much as > I should, but when I do it seems to work fine and it sounds good to me. A 12AX7 will probably last effectively forever, if it lasts the first ten minutes. Life is pretty good for low-current preamp tubes. Power tubes are the ones that suffer. And power tubes suffer mostly due to the complete disregard amp designers showed for their design ratings in order to get more power. For example, a Fender Deluxe operates the 6V6 power tubes at 425v, 75v over their design limit! Old Marshalls made similar abuses. High-quality older tubes can survive this, but cheaper modern ones cannot. :( Another power tube problem is guitarists not matching impedances properly, which can increase load on already stressed tubes. And overworking the tubes isn't necessary for good tone, either. The best-sounding amp i ever played was a Dr Z Route 66, which positively babies its tubes. Wish i could afford one! If you can easily swap the tube in your Digitech, get your hands on several and taste-test them. There's a lot of variation in 12AX7 sounds. Play loud to test for microphonics, tho. -- -dave "...'cause she knows that it's demanding to defeat those evil machines..." -The Flaming Lips, _Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots pt. 1_ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 2 01:50:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h326ien11335; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 01:44:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 01:44:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030402064417.89892.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 22:44:17 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: LAPTOP recommendations (Aarvark Q10) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030401175700.01ebdb00@icicle.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Aarvark Q10 is also a great choice if you dont want to carry mixers around,its rackmountable and its preamps are the best i ve heard.You can record up to 8 tracks at once and it has all the specs (except USB).I have the 2496 which is only 4 inputs and i ve been more than happy with it but i am considering upgrading to this one.They were slow in releasing the new drivers but i just installed them along with Win XP and i havent had any problems.I attended a cakewalk sonar seminar and the guy had a sony vayo laptop, the card, and a usb interface, thats it no mixers etc.It works perfect with Sonar and he did some really cool stuff with it using a lot of plugins reason etc.! Check it out http://www.aardvarkaudio.com/aasd-v1/products/q10-main.html --- Catilyne wrote: > At 11:56 PM 3/31/2003 -0800, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL > wrote: > >I am in the market for a laptop computer so that I > can > >record, use Ableton's LIVE as a realtime > performance enhancer > >and use real time USB/Midi control over soft > synths. > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 2 02:01:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h326t4f12675; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 01:55:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 01:55:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E8A8836.9651B27A@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 22:50:30 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Loopstock footage and tutorial DVD's in general... References: <7d.3707fd96.2bbb4ead@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Greg said, about Loopstock footage, Looping9string@aol.com wrote: > I mentioned this idea a while back to Andre but got no response... > > I know he's busy! ;) > > And hey, maybe artists could donate their percentage to LOOPERS > DELIGHT? > > Crazy idea I know but I would be very willing to work it all out and > compromise! > > Any suggestions, or takers? First off, sorry for the delay, Greg - as you say, I have indeed had my hands full. Here are a few quick thoughts: 1) Sorting through this sort of footage is not an easy thing. Hans and I filmed the EDP tutorial about half a year ago, and I still haven't been able to really sit down and seriously sift through his rough cut, compare it with the alternate takes he chose not to put into the cut (but sent me on an alternate disc, bless his heart), figure out what works, and then give him my serious feedback so he can finish editing. It's a serious deal, and it needs to be handled with a lot of attention and communication with people. 2) There's no guarantee as to how the clinics will go, how happy the artists will be with their clinics, how comfortable they'd be with releasing this footage, and how much work it might take to get footage together into a satisfactory finished form. 3) By way of reference: there was a lot of footage filmed for last year's Loopstock (held in March) and the Y2K2 festival in Santa Cruz in July, and no "released" audio or video footage from either event has materialized yet. That doesn't mean that it won't eventually happen, and it doesn't mean that it won't be well worth the time and effort if and when it does. It's just another way of underscoring the serious time and hassle this can take. 4) Last, but not least, there's the issue of the people involved being compensated for their work and time. To put it in perspective: I've had about 6,000 page views for the index of my tutorial web site, and over 14,500 seperate downloads of my solo EDP music over the last 15 months. But in that same amount of time, the amount of money I made from CD sales through my web site wasn't even enough to cover the cost of my internet access and web site (which is about $40 a month). I got very, very few inquiries into the custom discs feature on my web site, and I've had to cancel it anyway because manually compiling and burning the discs is more work than I can justify spending for the amount of money I would (hypothetically) make on each sale of such discs. I don't say this to complain, but simply to say that I personally can't comfortably continue to give away all of my services as a clinician or educator by putting lots of stuff out for free, or donating funds from the sale of such footage to another cause. Lately I've been forced to start looking for part-time, non-music work for the first time in years, and when thousands of people are downloading my music and reading my lessons for free while I'm struggling to scrape a couple of bucks together, it puts things in a pretty brutal perspective. It's a drag, but it's the truth. So even if good, usable footage exists, it's not an easy thing to figure out how to disseminate all of this information without passing up a potential source of income. One of the things Hans and I need to figure out is the best way to approach our tutorial from a strictly economic point of view, and that in itself is an obstacle I'm dreading. So: hopefully some good footage will be shot at Loopstock, and hopefully the artists and editors (whoever they may be) will be able to find a way of getting it out into the word in an aesthetically and economically viable way. Cross your fingers for us! Best wishes, --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 2 03:39:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h328YWx20833; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 03:34:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 03:34:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c2f8f2$a0383f10$2ccfc22b@AOstler> From: "Os" To: References: <200303312143.h2VLhwN04354@hemlock.violacea.com> <028901c2f824$8ac877e0$a164f93f@global> Subject: Re: LAPTOP recommendations for LIVE LOOPING? Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 09:34:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <3rMkyD.A.HFF.BCqi-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Rick... get yourself a powerbook! The new 12" model is great value. os. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 8:56 AM Subject: LAPTOP recommendations for LIVE LOOPING? > I am in the market for a laptop computer so that I can > record, use Ableton's LIVE as a realtime performance enhancer > and use real time USB/Midi control over soft synths. > > A trusted friend of mine in digital audio said that there are a plethora > of known conflicts on the PC side with sound cards and laptop computers and > advised me to figure out what sound card I wanted; then to go to their > website and > ask specifically what computers configurations they would recommend to put > that sound card into. > > I would really love to get some advise on > > 1) What sound card would you recommend for a laptop computer > > given that > a) I want to record my live shows in stereo in real time > b) I want to run Ableton's LIVE in real time with midi > cc control of samples and effects > c) I want to be able to use an OXYGEN keyboard to play > soft synths live > d) If it is possible, I would like to use PEAK's V-Box > to host ANTARES audio/synth converter live (to, in essence > be able to sing live synth lines in real time) > > I anticipate using a Digi Designs M-box to get audio signal into the > computer. > > What have you bought that you dig in terms of a sound card. > It needs to have USB 2 and midi/in out (and preferably SPDIF if that's even > possible). > > Thanks in advance for your collective wisdom. > > See you all at LOOPSTOCK this weekend, > > yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 2 10:25:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h32FO6g22602; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:24:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:24:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Mistsojorn@aol.com Message-ID: <1ab.12b65ba7.2bbc5a6e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:23:26 EST Subject: Promo: vidnaObmana-4/18-Philly To: ambient@hyperreal.org CC: darkwave@yahoogroups.com, droneon@lists.no-fi.com, electronicaworld@yahoogroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, phiba-improv@topica.com, philadelphiamusicscene@yahoogroups.com, phillygrooves@onelist.com, phillyshows@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 66 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h32FNln22553 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Please distribute widely. vidnaObmana will apear at the Gate to Moonbase Alpha Ambient/Experimental Series on Friday, April 18 at The Rotunda: 4014 Walnut St., Phila. 8pm-12am. Admission is Free for all ages. More info: http://www.foundationarts.org, 215-573-3234. Other stellar acts on this bill are: Matt Borghi (mattborghi.com) and Jason Sloan (jasonsloan.org), Stares to Nowhere (starestonowhere.com), The Cosmic Joke, The Great Quentini (performance art), David Gerbstadt (film+oil projections; gerbstadt.net), and VJ Cut to the Chase. Ambient musician vidnaObmana is one of spacemusic's brightest stars.   Using synthesizers, audio processors, and a vast array of exotic instruments, Belgian electronic musician vidnaObmana creates a complex, layered musical journey through rhythms, timbres, loops, and sonic atmospheres.   The name vidnaObmana means "optical illusion" in Serbo-Croation, a term he picked up while vacationing in Croatia during his childhood.   He chose this phrase as his musical persona to illustrate how his music correlates sonically with the surreal soundscapes he creates.   vidnaObmana is a prolific composer whose diverse body of work ranges from post-industrial through gently atmospheric, to tribal ambient and more.   His music slowly shifts through electronic audio imagery, creating extremely personal works of atmospheric delight. Throughout his career, vidnaObmana has explored the abrasive side of electronic composition, using freeform soundscapes, international music traditions, and post-classical experimentations.   His music has been released widely by many independent labels worldwide, including: Release/Relapse, Amplexus, Extreme, Hypnos, Mirage, Multimood, Projekt and others.   vidnaObmana will make another area appearance Saturday, April 19, at The Soundscapes Concert Series, in Bethlehem, PA. Info: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 2 12:26:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h32HLet05133; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 12:21:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 12:21:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bb01c2f93c$0cbaadf0$0a5c7450@SERVER> From: "Italo De Angelis" To: References: <1049219538.3e89d1d23115f@www.suitandtieguy.com> Subject: Eventides and Looping Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 19:19:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Eric and everybody on Loopers Delight: I am in the middle of 3 new operative systems clean up and beta testing (Dsp7000/7500/Orville)...meaning that schedule is busy as hell. Nevertheless I have started compiling a LONG and exhaustive (hopefully) document w/deep description of looping on Eventides. I have already got to a good point...but it needs a lot of more time to work and my day is running on 18hrs work these days. As soon as I'll be able to complete it, I'll post it. Hopefully Kim will use it to add the deserved info on this topic in the "Tools of the trade" section of LD, where an Eventide section is present but a looping description is missing since the beginning of time. Please be patient; I'll be able to get it within a few days at the most. You will rewarded by your waiting. Thank you everybody Italo De Angelis EVENTIDE...the Next Step... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Italo De Angelis Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division italo@eventide.com Forum/Customer Support : EVENTIDE HELPS http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Williamson" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 7:52 PM Subject: Re: KSP8 first impressions....it > Quoting Italo De Angelis : > > Maybe I should list the LOOP presets and include descriptions to show that we > > are not simply doing 10 sec mono multitap delay. > > that would an extremely helpful contribution to the list. i've spent the past 4 days digging through the > archives of LD and your Eventide list trying to learn the details of EVERY rackmount looping solution i > wasn't already familiar with. i haven't came up with much other than vague references to different boxes' > capabilities. > > even on the eventide list i didn't find much talk about these looping presets that Dr Zvonar wrote, they > sound fascinating in passing. > > also, does the "reverse delay" module on the DSP7k/Orvl use the sampling memory pool or the main > memory pool? > > i'm also going to have to download the KSP8 manual now that there's been a positive review made of it. > when they first announced it i didn't really "get" what exactly it was capable of. > > thanks, > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > > > ------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 2 12:50:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h32HnEo08653; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 12:49:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 12:49:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 18:52:04 +0100 Subject: Re: VOLUNTEER From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7d.3707fd96.2bbb4ead@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3132154324_663662_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3132154324_663662_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I would definitely buy the dvd, as I'm sure would other people, how much do u need to raise??? I think the dvd would be very popular and an excellent introduction to loopers-delight and also an excellent advertisement for the artists who perform on it. In short if the artists perform well they will increase the interest in their music which is surely good. It seems now the paypal is such a widely accepted form of payment that this sort of thing would have a very good chance of taking off. cheers Geoff on 1/4/03 9:21 pm, Looping9string@aol.com at Looping9string@aol.com wrote: I have a digital video camera ... and software to make DVDs If someone would pay may expenses for me to attend loopstock, I would digitally video tape as much as possible and make custom content DVDs to order, I would charge as little as I could to make them and the person(s) responsible for sending me would get the largest cut from the sale of the DVD discs? I would be willing to work out any and all other legalities as well! I could make MPEG or AVI clips for web sites that the artists and LD could use too. I mentioned this idea a while back to Andre but got no response... I know he's busy! ;) And hey, maybe artists could donate their percentage to LOOPERS DELIGHT? Crazy idea I know but I would be very willing to work it all out and compromise! Any suggestions, or takers? --MS_Mac_OE_3132154324_663662_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: VOLUNTEER I would definitely buy the dvd, as I'm sure would other people, how much do= u need to raise???
I think the dvd would be very popular and an excellent introduction to loop= ers-delight and also an excellent advertisement for the artists who perform = on it.  In short if the artists perform well they will increase the int= erest in their music which is surely good.
It seems now the paypal is such a widely accepted form of payment that this= sort of thing would have a very good chance of taking off.
cheers
Geoff

on 1/4/03 9:21 pm, Looping9string@aol.com at Looping9string@aol.com wrote:<= BR>
I have a digital video camera= ... and software to make DVDs

If someone would pay may expenses for me to attend loopstock, I would digit= ally video tape as much as possible and make custom content DVDs to order, I= would charge as little as I could to make them and the person(s) responsibl= e for sending me would get the largest cut from the sale of the DVD discs?
I would be willing to work out any and all other legalities as well!

I could make MPEG or AVI clips for web sites that the artists and LD could = use too.

I mentioned this idea a while back to Andre but got no response...

I know he's busy! ;)

And hey, maybe artists could donate their percentage to LOOPERS DELIGHT?
Crazy idea I know but I would be very willing to work it all out and compro= mise!

Any suggestions, or takers?

--MS_Mac_OE_3132154324_663662_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 2 12:56:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h32Hn5D08642; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 12:49:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 12:49:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 09:50:23 -0800 Subject: The best place to buy the NEW Echoplex Pros Plus? From: Ernie Mansfield To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anybody know of a good place (ie, low price) to buy the newest EDPP? Also, does anyone know if the pedals have been upgraded? -- Ernie Mansfield Mansfield Music -- http://www.mansfieldmusic.com ernie@mansfieldmusic.com -- Hear my music at: http://www.mp3.com/erniemansfield From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 2 12:59:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h32Hww110081; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 12:58:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 12:58:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 10:00:19 -0800 Subject: Hooking up EDP (or other racks) with PA From: Ernie Mansfield To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Question: since I am working with acoustice instruments and a live mike, I usually run my own mikes into my own pre-amp/monitor, which then goes to a front-of-house board. My output cable that I give to the FOH soundman is a line out XLR, ie, low impedance. The EDP, and many other rackmount units, have a Line Out 1/4" jack, so the question is: would it be better for me to get a small mixer with XLR outs, and then run the EDP thru an effects loop (inserts) thru the mixer? Or is there a better way? I want only the minimum equipment for the job, but high-quality, low noise is my highest concern. In theory, a line out could also be low impedance and balanced, even if it was a 1/4" jack (stereo) - but I don't know if the EDP has this.(??) -- Ernie Mansfield Mansfield Music -- http://www.mansfieldmusic.com ernie@mansfieldmusic.com -- Hear my music at: http://www.mp3.com/erniemansfield From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 2 12:59:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h32HxHa10137; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 12:59:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 12:59:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c2f941$8bbe9a30$5b0018ac@jnpr.net> Reply-To: From: To: References: <200304011928.h31JShl05486@hemlock.violacea.com> <016201c2f8ab$935ae960$f662f93f@global> Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 09:58:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0028_01C2F8FE.7B0286E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - hummer.alwayswebhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - groovetronica.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C2F8FE.7B0286E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >=20 > other programs that I will be using are found on both platforms = (Ableton's > live, > Antares KANTOS---------check this one out Macies and PCers.......it's = the > bomb) >=20 Admitedly, I've only fooled around with a pirated version, but, what's = the big deal with this? Everything I get out of it sounds like a bad = vococder. Nothing sounds particularly new, or usable... Can someone point me the direction of the light? > The other salient factor is the price.............right now for the = price it > would > take me to buy a closed architecture Titanium 800 mghz laptop I can = get a > state of the art and upgradeable PC laptop. How important is battery powered operation? If you can deal with = plugging in to the wall to use your machine, you definitely need to = check out the desknote format. It's a laptop, which doesn't have a = battery. It's upgradeable with regular pc parts, and significantly = cheaper than a regular laptop. You should be able to find out more about this kind of machine at=20 anandtech.com Do a search - the did comparisions of various desknotes on there a while = ago. ..bIz... 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>
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------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C2F8FE.7B0286E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 2 13:17:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h32IGlU12275; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:16:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:16:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008901c2f943$fbcbd5c0$5b0018ac@jnpr.net> Reply-To: From: To: References: <002a01c2f8bf$8548fbf0$bf08fc0c@amd> Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations(why a laptop at all?) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:16:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - hummer.alwayswebhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - groovetronica.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Cons: > 1. Flatscreen monitors are expensive (but if you are hardcore [i.e. poor > like me] then you could substitute a regular monitor). > 2. Another six-space rack to lug (probably 30 lbs). > Also add to this: 3. Noisy as hell. (you may be able to fix this, provide you use an aftermarket P.S. and chip coolers. Then you will have a box which is Noisy as a desktop pc) 4. As susceptible to vibration and shock damage as a regular pc. 5. Most rack cases are too deep to put in an 18" audio rack - they are built for 24"-32" machine room/telecom racks) > I have not been reading intently lately, but I sense that the PCI bus is on > its way out, to be replaced by Firewire. USB2 and whatever else comes along, > but for some reason I still trust a desktop machine more than a laptop. You are still using a pci bus when you use firewire. > Maybe that's folly, since a laptop should be designed to be moved around and > jostled, and a desktop (even in a server case) is designed to sit in a rack > in a machine room. Although, there are shock-mount kits you can get for > rack-mount chassis. > They don't work very well and are expensive. Whatever you do, stay way from the SKB shock mount cases - they bend under the weight of the gear, and you'll find it progressively harder to put the doors back on after each gig. Flimsy garbage. Yet another alternative: http://www.openlabs.com/ Starting price : $2,000(!!) ..bIz... (º·.¸(¨*·.¸.¸¸...¸¸.¸.·*¨)¸.·º) «.· ° ·.groovetronica.com.· ° ·.» (¸.·º(¸.·¨'"'¨¨"¨¨'"'¨·.¸)º·.¸) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 2 13:30:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h32INP313062; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:23:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:23:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00dc01c2f944$e30b5be0$b0d8399d@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> From: "looper @ jump/cut" To: References: <200304011928.h31JShl05486@hemlock.violacea.com> <016201c2f8ab$935ae960$f662f93f@global> Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:22:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3718.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3718.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One thing you may want to check out are the specs on the hard drive provided with your new laptop, especially if you are planning on doing multi-track recording/looping. Up until the last few months, laptops typically shipped with 3200 RPM drives (not great), but now many have 5400 RPM drives (better). So I would check the detailed specs on your new laptop to make sure you are getting a good hard drive. Also, most of the new laptops have Firewire, but you might also look for USB 2.0 for flexibility. I just noticed the new Dell laptops now have USB 2.0, which is great. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 2 13:33:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h32ITg813769; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:29:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:29:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030402113423.00aaddc0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 11:34:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Hooking up EDP (or other racks) with PA In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ernie, have you thought about using a good impedance adapter? You could go from the out of the plex via the adapter, to an XLR cable. I've not had any noise issues with these, and it would be less equipment. Smiles, Cara At 10:00 AM 4/2/03 -0800, you wrote: >Question: since I am working with acoustice instruments and a live mike, I >usually run my own mikes into my own pre-amp/monitor, which then goes to a >front-of-house board. My output cable that I give to the FOH soundman is a >line out XLR, ie, low impedance. > >The EDP, and many other rackmount units, have a Line Out 1/4" jack, so the >question is: would it be better for me to get a small mixer with XLR outs, >and then run the EDP thru an effects loop (inserts) thru the mixer? Or is >there a better way? I want only the minimum equipment for the job, but >high-quality, low noise is my highest concern. > >In theory, a line out could also be low impedance and balanced, even if it >was a 1/4" jack (stereo) - but I don't know if the EDP has this.(??) >-- >Ernie Mansfield >Mansfield Music >-- >http://www.mansfieldmusic.com >ernie@mansfieldmusic.com >-- >Hear my music at: >http://www.mp3.com/erniemansfield > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 2 13:41:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h32IbLZ14898; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:37:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:37:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c2f946$d3a3ceb0$5b0018ac@jnpr.net> Reply-To: From: To: References: <200304011928.h31JShl05486@hemlock.violacea.com> <016201c2f8ab$935ae960$f662f93f@global> <00dc01c2f944$e30b5be0$b0d8399d@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:36:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - hummer.alwayswebhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - groovetronica.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Also, most of the new laptops have Firewire, but you might also look for USB > 2.0 for flexibility. I just noticed the new Dell laptops now have USB 2.0, > which is great. > > Unless you can check the unit before you buy it, STAY AWAY from all things Dell. I haven't seen their current production models, but on every unit I've tried (more than a few, since we use them at my day job), their power supply feeds directly into the ground, which means that you can't use them for any kind of audio with the power plugged in - a horrible and unavoidable hum occurs when you plug them into any kind of mixer or power speakers. There is no solution - it even happens with USB audio. When I talked to Dell support, the said they knew of no plans to rectify this. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 2 14:06:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h32J19W17419; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:01:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:01:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 11:03:25 -0800 Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: mark To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <001101c2f946$d3a3ceb0$5b0018ac@jnpr.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That doesn't seem to make any sense to me... USB is digital data. Gets fed into a converter which then sends an analog signal to a preamp/mixer/poweramp stage. I'm unaware as to how the laptop could affect the D/A converter. The digital signal would have to have the noise embedded in it... no? Does anyone know about this? I cleared up a noisy internal sound-card on my mac by just putting a transformer on the output. (it's cheap you can buy them at radio shack, they're made for car stereos but work fine for this problem) Mark On Wednesday, April 2, 2003, at 10:36 AM, wrote: > a horrible and unavoidable hum occurs > when you plug them into any kind of mixer or power speakers. There is > no > solution - it even happens with USB audio. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 2 14:21:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h32JKgt19845; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:20:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:20:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004a01c2f94c$e880a190$5b0018ac@jnpr.net> Reply-To: From: To: References: Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 11:20:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - hummer.alwayswebhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - groovetronica.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Because the audio signal from the USB port is analog, and shares the ground over the USB connection with the laptop and its power supply, so once the audio gets out of the digital domain, it gets messed up. I've tried isolating the laptop ground from the mixer, by severing the ground on the audio connection between the two, but no luck. Perhaps severing the ground of a USB card attached to the laptop? Since the card would be grounded through the audio cables, I don't see any danger of damage, but I don't have the electrical engineering knowledge to know if this would work. Works fine with headphones though... ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 11:03 AM Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations > That doesn't seem to make any sense to me... USB is digital data. Gets > fed into a converter which then sends an analog signal to a > preamp/mixer/poweramp stage. I'm unaware as to how the laptop could > affect the D/A converter. The digital signal would have to have the > noise embedded in it... no? Does anyone know about this? I cleared up > a noisy internal sound-card on my mac by just putting a transformer on > the output. (it's cheap you can buy them at radio shack, they're made > for car stereos but work fine for this problem) > > Mark > > On Wednesday, April 2, 2003, at 10:36 AM, > wrote: > > > a horrible and unavoidable hum occurs > > when you plug them into any kind of mixer or power speakers. There is > > no > > solution - it even happens with USB audio. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 2 14:27:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h32JQEp20896; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:26:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:26:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005501c2f94d$ad183cc0$5b0018ac@jnpr.net> Reply-To: From: To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" , References: <002a01c2f8bf$8548fbf0$bf08fc0c@amd> <008901c2f943$fbcbd5c0$5b0018ac@jnpr.net> <003501c2f94d$2ba7a400$bf08fc0c@amd> Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations(why a laptop at all?) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 11:25:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - hummer.alwayswebhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - groovetronica.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > True, noise is an issue if you are doing really sensitive music in small > spaces at low volumes. But if you are rocking out at a club, then no one > will hear. But, honestly, the laptop I do have (a 400Mhz P2 Dell) is nearly > as loud as my rack-mount PC. Seagate Barracuda ATA II hard drives are very > quiet, I would recommend them to anyone using IDE drives (do they make a > SCSI version?). Here's a place to try for quiet power supplies and CPU > fans: http://pcpowercooling.com/ Yes, I have a bunch of their stuff. Good site. > Can't say anything about the vibration and shock damage risk except that I > already conceeded to that in my first post. But what gear can you really > expect to be able to throw around anyway? > Sure, but then why buy a rack mount? Just get one of those $20 pc 'lug straps' and carry your pc around that way. > True, again, about the standard rack-mount case depth problem. I have > wondered about that for a while now and was expecting to have a custom case > built. I was pleasantly surprized to discover that my Gator GRC-10X6 case > (http://www.gatorcases.com/sections/prdct/prdct-mixer.htm) is deep enough to > hold the 21" PC chassis. (It will probably end up being the 4U PC chassis, > the 1U Aardvark Q10, keyboard/mouse drawer, then a mixer on the top, and a > power conditioner in the rear. A powerful, mostly-portable project studio.) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 2 14:56:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h32JtgM25603; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:55:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:55:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004b01c2f951$c3099ed0$bf08fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <002a01c2f8bf$8548fbf0$bf08fc0c@amd> <008901c2f943$fbcbd5c0$5b0018ac@jnpr.net> <003501c2f94d$2ba7a400$bf08fc0c@amd> <005501c2f94d$ad183cc0$5b0018ac@jnpr.net> Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations(why a laptop at all?) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 12:55:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just found this browsing around the pcpowercooling.com site. http://pcpowercooling.com/products/sleekline/index.htm These things are about half-way between a desktop and a laptop: 1U rack-mountable, and have a PCI slot. They fit in a little case, too, and come in well under $2000 before monitor. > > Can't say anything about the vibration and shock damage risk except that I > > already conceeded to that in my first post. But what gear can you really > > expect to be able to throw around anyway? > > Sure, but then why buy a rack mount? Just get one of those $20 pc 'lug > straps' and carry your pc around that way. Because having it racked minimizes the number of connections that have to be made during on-stage setup. Just plug in the power and the monitor and you're on, plus the rack does provide *some* protection and makes the PC stackable with other racks. -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 2 15:36:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h32KWnk29189; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 15:32:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 15:32:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030402203221.43315.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 12:32:21 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations(why a laptop at all?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004b01c2f951$c3099ed0$bf08fc0c@amd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > > Sure, but then why buy a rack mount? Just get one of those $20 pc 'lug > > straps' and carry your pc around that way. > > Because having it racked minimizes the number of connections that have to be > made during on-stage setup. Just plug in the power and the monitor and > you're on, plus the rack does provide *some* protection and makes the PC > stackable with other racks. You may find that the PC itself presents too noisy an RF environment to rack mount with or near other audio gear. If it doesn't, it's monitor may. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 2 15:38:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h32KZ8k29453; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 15:35:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 15:35:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c2f957$4a022240$5b0018ac@jnpr.net> Reply-To: From: To: "Greg House" , References: <20030402193729.28972.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 12:34:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - hummer.alwayswebhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - groovetronica.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The sound is >not< 60 cycle hum. It's noise emanating from the computer's power supply. This isn't your usual quiet computer disk drive 'gurgles' - it's a screeching loud enough to drown the audio signal. We've tried ground lifts - they don't make any difference. bIz > --- biz-looper@groovetronica.com wrote: > > > > Because the audio signal from the USB port is analog, and shares the ground > > over the USB connection with the laptop and its power supply, so once the > > audio gets out of the digital domain, it gets messed up. > > > > I've tried isolating the laptop ground from the mixer, by severing the > > ground on the audio connection between the two, but no luck. Perhaps > > severing the ground of a USB card attached to the laptop? Since the card > > would be grounded through the audio cables, I don't see any danger of > > damage, but I don't have the electrical engineering knowledge to know if > > this would work. > > > > Works fine with headphones though... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "mark" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 11:03 AM > > Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations > > > > > > > That doesn't seem to make any sense to me... USB is digital data. Gets > > > fed into a converter which then sends an analog signal to a > > > preamp/mixer/poweramp stage. I'm unaware as to how the laptop could > > > affect the D/A converter. The digital signal would have to have the > > > noise embedded in it... no? Does anyone know about this? I cleared up > > > a noisy internal sound-card on my mac by just putting a transformer on > > > the output. (it's cheap you can buy them at radio shack, they're made > > > for car stereos but work fine for this problem) > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 2, 2003, at 10:36 AM, > > > wrote: > > > > > > > a horrible and unavoidable hum occurs > > > > when you plug them into any kind of mixer or power speakers. There is > > > > no > > > > solution - it even happens with USB audio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > http://tax.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 2 15:39:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h32Kapq29832; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 15:36:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 15:36:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c2f957$8b000320$5b0018ac@jnpr.net> Reply-To: From: To: References: <20030402203221.43315.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations(why a laptop at all?) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 12:36:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - hummer.alwayswebhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - groovetronica.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com FWIW, Flat panels don't have the RF signature of tubes. I have to stand sideways when recording my stick in front of my pc :> bIz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg House" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 12:32 PM Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations(why a laptop at all?) > --- Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > > > > Sure, but then why buy a rack mount? Just get one of those $20 pc 'lug > > > straps' and carry your pc around that way. > > > > Because having it racked minimizes the number of connections that have to be > > made during on-stage setup. Just plug in the power and the monitor and > > you're on, plus the rack does provide *some* protection and makes the PC > > stackable with other racks. > > You may find that the PC itself presents too noisy an RF environment to rack > mount with or near other audio gear. If it doesn't, it's monitor may. > > Greg > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > http://tax.yahoo.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 2 16:05:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h32L1Rv32111; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 16:01:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 16:01:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003f01c2f95a$f0621d90$5b0018ac@jnpr.net> Reply-To: From: To: "Paul Weissman" , References: Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:00:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - hummer.alwayswebhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - groovetronica.com Resent-Message-ID: <2SJntD.A.z0H.C-0i-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmm, that's one thing I never tried. Running the computer without a ground, in club and rehearsal spaces where I can't guarantee the power quality seems a little scary.... Let me reiterate - this isn't ground hum - this is noise. Louder than a line level signal. What model is your >old< laptop? Perhaps it's only an issue with units made in the past two or three years.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Weissman" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 12:55 PM Subject: RE: Laptop recommendations > > couldn't disagree more. dells rock. i've worked with sony, ibm and dell > laptops... i'm about to buy a new laptop (old one was stolen) and... it's > going to be a dell! and yes this is the machine i'm going to be using for > music performance. > > it's true that there is bad ground hum in my old dell, but a 3-2 prong > converter on the laptop power supply makes quick work of it. no hum. > > outside of that, everything else is great... price/performance.. look and > feel... latency with rme hdsp (3ms)... just a great deal overall. > > but, to each his own, i guess... > > paul > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: biz-looper@groovetronica.com [mailto:biz-looper@groovetronica.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 10:37 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations > > > > > > > Also, most of the new laptops have Firewire, but you might also look for > > USB > > > 2.0 for flexibility. I just noticed the new Dell laptops now > > have USB 2.0, > > > which is great. > > > > > > > > > > Unless you can check the unit before you buy it, STAY AWAY from all things > > Dell. > > > > I haven't seen their current production models, but on every unit > > I've tried > > (more than a few, since we use them at my day job), their power > > supply feeds > > directly into the ground, which means that you can't use them for any kind > > of audio with the power plugged in - a horrible and unavoidable hum occurs > > when you plug them into any kind of mixer or power speakers. There is no > > solution - it even happens with USB audio. > > > > When I talked to Dell support, the said they knew of no plans to rectify > > this. > > > > bIz > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 2 16:07:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h32L4U732637; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 16:04:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 16:04:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: Laptop recommendations Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:03:51 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <001101c2f946$d3a3ceb0$5b0018ac@jnpr.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com couldn't disagree more. dells rock. i've worked with sony, ibm and dell laptops... i'm about to buy a new laptop (old one was stolen) and... it's going to be a dell! and yes this is the machine i'm going to be using for music performance. it's true that there is bad ground hum in my old dell, but a 3-2 prong converter on the laptop power supply makes quick work of it. no hum. outside of that, everything else is great... price/performance.. look and feel... latency with rme hdsp (3ms)... just a great deal overall. but, to each his own, i guess... paul > -----Original Message----- > From: biz-looper@groovetronica.com [mailto:biz-looper@groovetronica.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 10:37 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations > > > > Also, most of the new laptops have Firewire, but you might also look for > USB > > 2.0 for flexibility. I just noticed the new Dell laptops now > have USB 2.0, > > which is great. > > > > > > Unless you can check the unit before you buy it, STAY AWAY from all things > Dell. > > I haven't seen their current production models, but on every unit > I've tried > (more than a few, since we use them at my day job), their power > supply feeds > directly into the ground, which means that you can't use them for any kind > of audio with the power plugged in - a horrible and unavoidable hum occurs > when you plug them into any kind of mixer or power speakers. There is no > solution - it even happens with USB audio. > > When I talked to Dell support, the said they knew of no plans to rectify > this. > > bIz > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 2 16:09:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h32L6UE00916; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 16:06:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 16:06:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: Laptop recommendations Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:05:57 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <003f01c2f95a$f0621d90$5b0018ac@jnpr.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the one that was stolen was an inspiron 8100. i also owned another inspiron one from about 2-3 years ago. both have been used many times in performance. no noise on rme hdsp... can't speak for anything else. i would never use the internal outs on any pc sound card without some kind of shielding or transformer like mark suggested. paul > -----Original Message----- > From: biz-looper@groovetronica.com [mailto:biz-looper@groovetronica.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 1:01 PM > To: Paul Weissman; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations > > > > Hmm, that's one thing I never tried. Running the computer without > a ground, > in club and rehearsal spaces where I can't guarantee the power > quality seems > a little scary.... > > Let me reiterate - this isn't ground hum - this is noise. Louder > than a line > level signal. > > What model is your >old< laptop? Perhaps it's only an issue with > units made > in the past two or three years.. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Weissman" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 12:55 PM > Subject: RE: Laptop recommendations > > > > > > couldn't disagree more. dells rock. i've worked with sony, > ibm and dell > > laptops... i'm about to buy a new laptop (old one was stolen) > and... it's > > going to be a dell! and yes this is the machine i'm going to > be using for > > music performance. > > > > it's true that there is bad ground hum in my old dell, but a 3-2 prong > > converter on the laptop power supply makes quick work of it. no hum. > > > > outside of that, everything else is great... > price/performance.. look and > > feel... latency with rme hdsp (3ms)... just a great deal overall. > > > > but, to each his own, i guess... > > > > paul > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: biz-looper@groovetronica.com [mailto:biz-looper@groovetronica.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 10:37 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations > > > > > > > Also, most of the new laptops have Firewire, but you might also look for > > USB > > > 2.0 for flexibility. I just noticed the new Dell laptops now > > have USB 2.0, > > > which is great. > > > > > > > > > > Unless you can check the unit before you buy it, STAY AWAY from all things > > Dell. > > > > I haven't seen their current production models, but on every unit > > I've tried > > (more than a few, since we use them at my day job), their power > > supply feeds > > directly into the ground, which means that you can't use them for any kind > > of audio with the power plugged in - a horrible and unavoidable hum occurs > > when you plug them into any kind of mixer or power speakers. There is no > > solution - it even happens with USB audio. > > > > When I talked to Dell support, the said they knew of no plans to rectify > > this. > > > > bIz > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 2 16:13:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h32LBiK01736; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 16:11:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 16:11:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Cfilben@aol.com Message-ID: <1ea.5b24131.2bbcabef@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 16:11:11 EST Subject: Line6 Echo Pro---Pros and Cons To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1ea.5b24131.2bbcabef_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1ea.5b24131.2bbcabef_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, Can someone please fill me in on the pros and cons of the Line6 Echo Pro? I see it sells for abou $299 retail, roughly what I'd like to spend on a looper, but I know relatively little about it as compared with other loopers costing less than $500. I'd certainly appreciate any feedback and other recommendations you might have. Thanks a million!!! Chris --part1_1ea.5b24131.2bbcabef_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All,

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Thanks a million!!!

Chris --part1_1ea.5b24131.2bbcabef_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 2 16:17:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h32LGXS02272; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 16:16:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 16:16:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006f01c2f95d$1246f4b0$5b0018ac@jnpr.net> Reply-To: From: To: References: Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:16:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - hummer.alwayswebhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - groovetronica.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The RME hdsp has a breakout box that is powered separately right? If we are talking about the same unit, it connects to a pcmcia card in the laptop. Correct? If this is the case, then the required isolation is occuring. If you want to use a Dull, you can't use an internal, pcmcia) or USB sound card - you >have< to use a firewire, or other self powered break out box, with it's own, isolated, power supply. bIz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Weissman" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 1:05 PM Subject: RE: Laptop recommendations > > the one that was stolen was an inspiron 8100. i also owned another inspiron > one from about 2-3 years ago. both have been used many times in > performance. no noise on rme hdsp... can't speak for anything else. i > would never use the internal outs on any pc sound card without some kind of > shielding or transformer like mark suggested. > > paul > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: biz-looper@groovetronica.com [mailto:biz-looper@groovetronica.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 1:01 PM > > To: Paul Weissman; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations > > > > > > > > Hmm, that's one thing I never tried. Running the computer without > > a ground, > > in club and rehearsal spaces where I can't guarantee the power > > quality seems > > a little scary.... > > > > Let me reiterate - this isn't ground hum - this is noise. Louder > > than a line > > level signal. > > > > What model is your >old< laptop? Perhaps it's only an issue with > > units made > > in the past two or three years.. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paul Weissman" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 12:55 PM > > Subject: RE: Laptop recommendations > > > > > > > > > > couldn't disagree more. dells rock. i've worked with sony, > > ibm and dell > > > laptops... i'm about to buy a new laptop (old one was stolen) > > and... it's > > > going to be a dell! and yes this is the machine i'm going to > > be using for > > > music performance. > > > > > > it's true that there is bad ground hum in my old dell, but a 3-2 prong > > > converter on the laptop power supply makes quick work of it. no hum. > > > > > > outside of that, everything else is great... > > price/performance.. look and > > > feel... latency with rme hdsp (3ms)... just a great deal overall. > > > > > > but, to each his own, i guess... > > > > > > paul > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: biz-looper@groovetronica.com > [mailto:biz-looper@groovetronica.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 10:37 AM > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations > > > > > > > > > > Also, most of the new laptops have Firewire, but you might also look > for > > > USB > > > > 2.0 for flexibility. I just noticed the new Dell laptops now > > > have USB 2.0, > > > > which is great. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless you can check the unit before you buy it, STAY AWAY from all > things > > > Dell. > > > > > > I haven't seen their current production models, but on every unit > > > I've tried > > > (more than a few, since we use them at my day job), their power > > > supply feeds > > > directly into the ground, which means that you can't use them for any > kind > > > of audio with the power plugged in - a horrible and unavoidable hum > occurs > > > when you plug them into any kind of mixer or power speakers. There is no > > > solution - it even happens with USB audio. > > > > > > When I talked to Dell support, the said they knew of no plans to rectify > > > this. > > > > > > bIz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 2 16:21:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h32LL3Y02927; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 16:21:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 16:21:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1049318438.3e8b5426ceda9@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 16:20:38 -0500 From: erwill@suitandtieguy.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Line6 Echo Pro---Pros and Cons References: <1ea.5b24131.2bbcabef@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1ea.5b24131.2bbcabef@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.177.160 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting Cfilben@aol.com: > Can someone please fill me in on the pros and cons of the Line6 Echo Pro? I > see it sells for abou $299 retail, roughly what I'd like to spend on a > looper, but I know relatively little about it as compared with other loopers > costing less than $500. I'd certainly appreciate any feedback and other > recommendations you might have. no sync. mono. no control over feedback. i'm sure it sounds great, but ... the new Roland DD-20 looks like the perfect looping solution for a tiny budget. it's a stereo delay, has feedback control, infinite hold (i think ..), and (very cool) a digital display of your exact delay time in seconds or beats (if you're tapping the tempo). oh yeah: 23 seconds. that's plenty (for many applications) it is supposed to be in stores by the end of the week and street for less than 200 dollars. of course, it is a roland product. i wouldn't buy one unless you had a chance to use it first. eric williamson www.suitandtieguy.com ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 2 16:31:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h32LUfk04060; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 16:30:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 16:30:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Dave Hastings" To: Subject: RE: Laptop recommendations Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:30:08 -0800 Message-ID: <000401c2f95f$08b23020$706ff4d1@hmv5n> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <003f01c2f95a$f0621d90$5b0018ac@jnpr.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > bIz writes: > Let me reiterate - this isn't ground hum - this is noise. Louder > than a line level signal. > > What model is your >old< laptop? Perhaps it's only an issue with > units made in the past two or three years.. I've got a year old DELL Inspiron 8100 laptop that I've been happy with. I couldn't recall having any noise problems, so I decided to check it out. I'm using the audio on the mother board, hooked up to a Mackie 1402 (using one of the stereo channels, w/input gain set for -10db devices), hooked up to some cheap powered speakers. Under normal listening conditions I hear no noise (re-charger connected or not). I also don't hear any noise under normal conditions using headphones connected to the headphone out on the mixer. If I turn off the music, and crank up the volume of the headphone output on the mixer, I do get some definite electronic noise that goes away when I disconnect the re-charger. Clearly your mileage varies. -daveh -------------- Dave Hastings dhastings@earthlink.net "Outside of a dog, books are a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read" Groucho Marx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 2 17:30:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h32MQAm11425; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 17:26:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 17:26:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c2f966$5fe50460$27797450@SERVER> From: "Italo De Angelis" To: References: <1049219538.3e89d1d23115f@www.suitandtieguy.com> Subject: EVENTIDES and the art of Looping Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 00:22:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well...it was a lot of work. Worth the time, though! Hopefuly you all will find enough information and inspiration to start looping on an Eventide, integrating your creative forces with a seriously creative tool that your systems deserve. I really hope Kim will use this information in the "TOOLS of the TRADE" section: it's sadly missing info on Eventides since the beginning of time! Here we go: The Eventide DSP7000, DSP7500 and ORVILLE Processors can integrate looping and/or sampling with all sort of FX. The open nature of these platforms allows the user to build his/her own custom algorithms, using VSIGFILE, a freeware Windows PC graphical algorithms construction application. If the end user doesn't find what he/she needs in the extended factory presets libraries Eventide provides (more than 500 presets in the 7000, more than 700 in the 7500 and over 1000 in Orville), he/she'll be able to modify them or to create new structures from scratch, customizing with extreme details audio, modulation, control and UI. Looping on Eventides is basically delay-based; you won't be able to do looping exactly like on a Jamman or EDP,but you will definitely get many other flavours that those units can't provide. A few notes on hardware features of these machines: DSP7000/7500 are 24bit/up to 96KHz STEREO units, w/2 analog ins/outs, AES-EBU and S/PDIF in/out. ORVILLE is a 24bit/up to 96KHz unit, w/4 analog ins/outs and 4 digital ins/outs, 2 AES-Ebu or 1 AES+1S/Pdif. We are releasing 2 ADAT boards: One will add stereo ins/outs for DSP7000/7500. The other will add 8 ins/outs to Orville. In the near future we will release another board for ORVILLE only, w/8 AES-EBU ins/outs. This version of Orville willonly have a stereo analog in and out! Both boards can be added to Orville. Orville DSPs have 4 inputs/4 outputs each, so programming of complex structures is possible, thanks to "Anything-to-Anything" routing. You can build all possible routings, feedback paths, just about anything you like...from the front panel or using ROUTING, a Windows PC applications. Routings can be saved on your PC, into Orville RAM and on Pcmcia cards. Orville does QUAD audio! Imagine lopping+processing on 4 cabinets, or 8. All machines have 2 rear panel inputs that can accept 1 pedal or up to 3 footswitches EACH for parameters real time control. MIDI protocol is fully supported. All parameters can be modulated by midi cc, notes, pedals, switches, audio level, pitch.... We also have a remote controller, EVE/NET, that can control up to 4 units (any combo of DSP7000s/7500s/Orvilles), thru ethernet connection. Evenet has 8 rotary encoders that are hard wired to the 8 parameters that you see on the display. Each encoder also features a click that allows storage of a full setup+routing+presets loading! Hopefully this gives you an idea of available possibilities. ORVILLE/DSP7000/7500 share an open modular nature: the user will be able to combine a big number of audio, control, math, UI, modulation modules from the unit database, working in a graphic environment and connecting modules with virtual patch cables. Currently database has about 250 different modules. A group of fundamental modules are the core for looping applications: DELAY : a classic digital delay line with up to 32500ms. MICRODELAY : delay line with finer resolution, max 10920 ms. MODDELAY : delay line w/modulation input, max 10920 ms. REVDELAY: a classic Eventide Reverse delay, max 32500 ms. MULTITAP : a multi-tap delay line, with a selectable number of delay taps. Each tap has adjustable level, pan and delay. It can have up to 100 taps w/2000 ms. delay each. STEREOTAPS : another multitap delay line, w/stereo input and output, max 50 taps w/2000ms each. RAMPDELAY : a delay whose time increases linearly according to a control input, giving a high quality pitch shift until the maximum (or minimum) is reached, at which point, the pitch returns to normal. Max delay is 32500ms. REVERSE SHIFTER : another classic Eventide backwards playing pitch shifter. Max delay time is 32500 ms. PITCHTIME : This module phase coherently pitch shifts and/or time scales up to 8 channels of audio. It also has a built-in pitch detector whose results are made available through various control outputs. When time compressing or expanding, the lost or gained time is represented by a change in the delay through the module. For example, time compression causes the delay through the module to reduce, while time expansion causes it to increase. When the delay value reaches its maximum or minimum the time scale returns to real time. If the maxdelay value is set at its maximum value and timeAmt is set at say, 0.9 (90%) the time expansion will continue for 160 seconds until all the delay is used, at which point the output of the module will be delayed by 16 seconds. Time stretch or compression can be continuously retriggered. Let's simply say that this module has a max delay of 16000 ms and can do time stretching or time squeezing AND pitch shifting! In REAL TIME. All these modules use the main board delay memory, 43 seconds @48KHz, which is also used by reverb modules, pitch shifters and some filters. Any module can be used in many instances, allocating variable amount of delay memory, choosen by the programmer. For instance, you might have 4 delays using 10 seconds each. PLEX : The plex module provides a simple way of creating high quality reverberators. To create a reverberator, the outputs several delay lines are fed into the plex module and the outputs of the plex module are fed back to the inputs of the delay line. The plex module combines the delay outputs to produce an exponentially increasing density of echoes, hence a dense reverb. The signal that is to be used as the main input to the reverberator is connected to the "in" of the plex module. This is a classic Eno sound. You can make things even more interesting by experimenting with other modules besides delay lines in the feedback structure. If you only patch delay lines into the PLEX, you can get interesting variations of looping/verb. All these modules are common to DSP7000, DSP7500 and ORVILLE machines. DSP7000 has one single dsp chip, 4 times more powerful than a DSP4000 or a Pcm81 (to give you an idea). Its full delay memory is 43 sec. DSP 7500 has the same dsp chip plus a sampling board with 174 sec memory @48KHz. Its full delay memory is 43+174 sec, if the sampling board memory is used for delay applications (LONGDELAY module). ORVILLE has 2 identical dsp chips plus the same sampling board. Its full delay memory is 43+43+174 sec., if the sampling board memory is used for delay applications (LONGDELAY module). Orville DSPs are named A and B: the sampling board is ONLY available on DSP A. The sampling board CAN'T be added to a DSP7000!!! So, if you are thinking to get an Eventide for looping, plan ahead of time; DSP7500 or Orville are the choices w/bigger memory. More modules: LONGDELAY (DSP7500 & ORVILLE) : a LONG delay line that uses the sampling board memory, up to 174 sec @ 48KHz sampling rate. Like all other modules, it can be used in many instances: you could have a preset w/4 LONGDELAYS, w/43 sec each, or 10 lines w 17 sec each or any combination of mono/stereo delays, within the max delay memory available. DELAYSAMPLER (DSP7500 & ORVILLE) : This is a small mono sampler that uses delay memory rather than sampler memory. This means that it can be used in either (or both) machine A or machine B in Orville. It also limits the maximum recording time to a total of 40 seconds per preset (at 48kHz). Use the normal sampler in machine A if you need longer recording times, or higher quality varispeed, as well as pitch change. From 4 to 8 of these samplers can be used in a single preset, so they can be paralleled for stereo or quad. This sampler is an old style one: when you use change its speed (time compression), you will also get pitch change. So a speed of 50% will drop pitch down an octave. SAMPLER (DSP7500 & ORVILLE) : The module is capable of recording and playing mono or stereo samples with varying pitch and time scale. Up to 16 sound samples may be stored in memory so that various drum hits or vocal takes can be easily accessed. You can loop a sample, step thru multiple samples on successive triggers, and trigger the sample from audio. To begin recording, trigger the record input. Recording will begin immediately and will continue until stop is triggered or all memory is used up. Another way to begin record is to trigger the triggered record. Recording will start when audio exceeds record threshold. There is a pre-trigger capture, causing a small section of audio preceding the trigger event to be recorded. For each new recording, the audio is stored into a new sample location. This can be done until all the available memory is used up. A trigger to play causes the current sample to be played until the stop or pause inputs are triggered or the stop time is reached. You can have an audio signal trigger the playback by triggering triggered play. The particular sample to be played back is controlled by the play select control. After recording, this control will be automatically set to the new sample. If a new play trigger is received while the current sample is playing, the new sample will begin playing immediately. The old sample will continue playing for the length of time set in the overlap control. By changing the nextplaymode setting, the playback can step through consecutive samples. The samples to be stepped through are controlled by the playmin and playmax controls. If looping is set to enabled, the sample will automatically repeat, and the end of the sample will be crossfaded to the beginning. Change start and stop to single out what part of the sample you want. If start is after stop the sample will be played in reverse. When adjusting, you have a choice of either a tape recorder scrub emulation, or pitchscrub mode where the sound at the point will be played looped. Fadein and fadeout allow you to adjust how the sound is turned off and on. Use pitchamt to adjust the pitch of the sample and timeamt to adjust how fast the sample is played back. This module allows real time editing of samples: x-fading-looping-reverse-start & end points-time compression & expansion-pitch shifting-modulation of all its parameters. The new OS, version 3.0, features System Tempo and Timer w/T_Delay, T_Rate and T_Decay parameters that allow all delays times/lfos rates/reverbs decays to be synced to tap tempo, according to rhythmic subdivisions. You can use absolute time (milliseconds) or rhythmic values. Long Delay modules take advantage of system Timer w/bars multiply. Let me go thru Orville looping presets (Bank 7 : Delays - Loops), trying to explain what these presets do. FRACTAL VORTEX a recreation of Vortex dynamic layering of loops: Cascade looper with envelope control ofthe looper's input mix. Its output isfed into a panner which sprays the effect into a stereo glide, fed also directly by dry input. Envelope bias adjusts sensitivity of modulation for the input/feedback mix of the looper.Loud signals add new audio to loop,decreasing level of old layers. Soft signals keep both in the loop. Echo balance: when set at min, the mix is all Echo 1, at max. it's all Echo 2. In between settings produce echo rhythmthat change over time.Assign 2: loop door. Set fdback at 90/95%%. Loop time is tempo tapped and you can multiply it by bars#. Sum Mono In/Stereo Out. HELIX LOOP: Four 20 sec stereo loops. chooses which pair sees input. Each stereo loops flips left & right with each repeat. Quad in,quad out. HELIX MANIFOLD Tap tempo pitch shifter w/dynamic swelling input feeding 4 stereo 20 sec loopers w/cross-patched feedback paths.Each stereo loops flips left & right with each repeat. All is fed to a stereo verb and stereo slap delay. Stereo I/O. LEVITATION ALPHA BPM loop + effects. Sums (1+3 and 2+4) feed stereo pitchshift (2 sec)>loop (80 sec) >verb>slap(2 sec). Pitch: has envelope shaping and is bypassable. Loop: vol pedal is door to loop. Choose bpm and # of measures forloops length. Slap: has source selection as well as output selection (front/rear/both). Quad I/O. LEVITATION BETA BPM loop + effects Stereo sum (1+3 and 2+4) feed stereo reverseshift(10 sec)>loop(80 sec)>verb >slap(2 sec). Pitch: if mix is set to 0%% then input to pitch is muted so you are not filling it with undesired data. Choose bpm, meter and # of measures forloop length. Slap: has source selection as well as output selection (front/rear/both). Quad I/O. LEVITATION GAMMA BPM loop + effects Sums (1+3 and 2+4) feed stereo diatonicshift >(2 sec)>loop (80 sec) >verb>slap(2 sec). Pitch: has envelope shaping external modulation and is bypassable.Choose bpm, meter and # of measures forloop length. Slap: has source selection as well as output selection (front/rear/both). Quad I/O. LOOP_TIMESQUUEZE St 80 sec.loops > timesqueeze > verb. Loops crisscross feedback. Timesqueeze allows independent 10 sec. duration and pitch control, w/time compression-expansion. Stereo I/O. MANIFOLD ALPHA looping preset, this one with a shifter+32 sec loop+4sec slap. is feed level to effect. to Pitch 0=input, 100=Loop. to Loop 0=input, 100=Pitch. Loop has a volume pedal before it . Heel= no input, toe= level. in+loop+pitch feed slap loop+pitch output left. slap output right. Summed I/O. MANIFOLD BETA Non-sampler looping preset, this one with a 4 sec. reverse shifter+32 sec loop+4sec slap. is feed level to effect. to Pitch 0=input, 100=Loop. to Loop 0=input, 100=Pitch. Loop has a volume pedal befor it set to mod2. Heel= no input, toe= level. in+loop+pitch feed slap loop+pitch output left. slap output right. Summed I/O. MOBIUS LOOPS Quadloops(40sec) feedback to next loop # and this rotates the loop clockwise over time. Second loop rotates counterclockwise. Quad in, quad out. ROTATION MANIFOLD 'rotation loop + effects. Shifts>loops>verbs>slaps. quadshifts (2sec). Second quad loop rotating counterclockwise. quadloops(40sec) fback to next loop # > quadverbs > quad slaps out1=shift1/loop1/verb1/slap4 out2=shift2/loop2/verb2/slap3 out3=shift3/loop3/verb3/slap2 out4=shift4/loop4/verb4/slap1 Quad I/O. SKEW LOOP 1 Stereo loops. Right loop has a amount parameter which adds that amount to its loop length. This one in seconds. Max delay length is 80 sec left and 90 sec right. Stereo I/O. SKEW LOOP 2 Stereo loops. Right loop has a amount parameter which adds that amountto its loop length. This one has a percentage of loop length. Max delay is 80 sec on left and 90 sec on right. Stereo I/O. UNDO MANIFOLD Pitch signal feeds a stereo 30 sec loop used as a buffer. If you like what you hear hit , If you don't hit . During the 'event' no new data can be input. Event duration equal to loop length. Verb and slap delays process loops and dry sound. Stereo I/O. UNDO LOOP Signal feeds a stereo 30 sec loop used as a buffer. If you like what you hear hit , If you don't hit . During the 'event' no new data can be input. Event duration equal to loop length. Stereo I/O. YOUR HARMONY DEVICE Mono loop (max 10 sec) >3 shifters w/pre-settable values>autopanner >verb. Build a sequence of chords w/tune 1/2/3parameters & step thru it w/triggers or ext.triggers( Tip 2 & Ring 2). is volume pedal to loop. is loop feedback. Great 4 E-BOW pads!!! Loop a Root tone & step thru chords while you solo on top. Summed in, stereo out. 4 TRACKER #3 Choose between the four loops inputs by hand or via . Master Time signature and bars number sets different lenghts for the loops. Simple displays help in this four track loop/recorder. Summed in, stereo out. 4 TRACKER #4 Like 4 tracker#3 with hicuts & pitches post each track. Summed in, stereo out. 4 TRACKER #5 Like 4 tracker#3 with quad output mixing. Summed in, quad out. These presets are ALL included in Orville OS V3.0 ; most of them are also included in DSP7500 OS V3.0, obviously in stereo format. No Quad is possible on the DSP series. A Legacy of older Looping presets from the discontinued GTR4000, DSP4500 and from Presets Cards like the Alchemy 101 is also available on Pcmcia flash cards. All 4000s can share these presets. Some presets of the DSP4500 will require to install the sampling board on a 4000 to run. >From the GTR4000: This unit had 10.5 sec delay. Its memory can be expanded by adding the sampling board. 2 boards are available to expand all 4000 series Harmonizers: Medium Large Mono Stereo Mono Stereo 32KHz 131 65 sec 262 131 sec 44.1KHz 95 47 sec 190 95 sec 48KHz 87 43 sec 174 87 sec The DSP4500 special edition model includes the Large Sampler Board and ALL presets ever written for the 4000 series. Here are looping related 4000 series presets: LOOPING & DELAYS Bank 42 (GTR4000/DSP4500/GTR4000 Library Card) MONOLOOP 10-sec mono 'performance' delayloop. Summed stereo in ,stereo out. STEREOLOOP 5-sec stereo 'performance' delayloop with metering. Stereo in, stereo out. HELIXLOOP 5-sec stereo delay with crosspatched feedback paths. Stereo flips left and right with each repeat. Stereo in, stereo out. 4RESONATORS+LOOP 4 voice tuned multitap resonators into a long delay. Summed stereo in, stereo out. NIMBUS Rhythmic delays with stereo spread via non outputed feedback paths and subtle modulation. Summed stereo in, stereo out. RITUALDELAY Dimminishing delay times, stereo spread and subtle modulation, make for an interesting delay effect. Summed stereo in, stereo out. LOOPVERB Long mono delayloop into reverb, which spreads to stereo and gives depth and animation to the loop. Stereo in, stereo out. REFRACTIONLOOP Stereo multitaps - refracts left and right timing within this stereo loop. Stereo in, stereo out. MANIFOLD TWO A 5-tap delay into a long delayloop. Lets you play with polyrythms into a loop. Summed stereo in, stereo out. DUAL PINGPONG Dual Mono PingPong-ing Moddelays. Dual mono in, stereo out. TIME+PITCH MANIFOLD This preset rearranges the time and pitch of whatever you play into it. BPM POLYRHYTHM 3/4 Lets you play with true polyrythmic figures. Choose BPM, note values and # of repeats. Play a note get 3 against 4 out. Summed stereo in, stereo out. BPM POLYRHYTHM 5/4 Lets you play with true polyrythmic figures. Choose BPM, note values and # of repeats. Play a note get 5 against 4 out. Summed stereo in, stereo out. 93 Loops (DSP4500/ Alchemy 101 Presets Library Card) This bank requires the DSP4000's Sampler option to be installed. They were created with the larger Sampler, if yours is smaller, the maximum lengths will be limited by your system. Also, all of these are manipulations of stereo loops with pre and/or post-loop processing. You will of course be aware that the feedback does not contain post-loop manipulation data. TAPTEMPOLOOP UNDOLOOP MEMNOSENE 1 MEMNOSENE 2 MEMNOSENE verb MEMNOSENE crystals BPM LOOP levitation BPM LOOP psycholev BPM LOOP verb BPM LOOP gyroscope BPM LOOP crystals BPM DNA LOOP DNA Loops DNA Soundscapes TT BPM LOOP TT BPM LOOP verb The massive power of DSP7000/7500 and ORVILLE allows to combine looping AND fx in the same preset: Distortion, bit dequantizing, eq, all sort of modulation fx, ring modulators, pitch shifting, reverb, delay, modulatable filters, panning, compression, expansion, poly-fuzzes, multiband distortion, synths, tone generators and many more fx can be combined in big patches. ORVILLE also allows massive looping/sampling and processing, thanks to its dual DSP structure. You could run two of those described presets at the same time on Orville, choosing your èpreferred routings between in/out and DSPs. VSIGFILE is definitely the tool on which any user can build his/her own personal variations of these presets or complately new structures. ECLIPSE 24bit/up to 96KHz STEREO units, w/2 analog ins/outs, AES-EBU, S/PDIF and OPTICAL/ADAT in/out. 2 rear panel inputs that can accept 1 pedal or up to 3 footswitches EACH for parameters real time control. MIDI protocol is fully supported. All parameters can be modulated by midi cc, notes, pedals, switches, audio input. The unit is a dual engine processor: Eventide provides a collection of about 100 algorithms that can be combined in pairs in the 2 FX Blocks, choosing your preferred routing. Looping: Eclipse Engines have 20 seconds delay memory each. Looping is delay based, like in Orville/DSP series. Algorithms useful for looping are: -all multi-voice delay algorithms: they have 4 ddl lines (often combined w/modulation or filtering or resonators or ring modulators), w/2 sec delay time each- Useful for Tap Tempo multi tap looping. Up to 8 voices can be obtained by combinig two algorithms in parallel. -Loop10: Mono 10 sec looping delay -Loop20: Mono 20 sec looping delay -Dual Loop5: Stereo 5 sec looping delays -Dual Loop10: Stereo 10 sec looping delays -Mono Reverse20: Mono 20 sec reverse delay -Mono Reverse10: Mono 10 sec reverse delay -Dual Reverse 10: Stereo 10 sec reverse delay -Dual Reverse 5 : Stereo 5 sec reverse delay -Ultratap 2: a popular Eventide H3000 structure contains four serial two-second diffusors feeding a 36 tap, two-second multitap delay and a tempo-controlled two-second feedback delay. -T_Delay4 Plex:This plex has four two second tempo delay lines with 'level' and 'pan' parameters for each independent output. -Reverse Crystals: two five second reverse shifters where the feedback signal can be the sum of the outputs, the channel output or the other channel for 'crisscross' effects. -T_Delay_Diffchorus: This is a three tap delay (left, right and feedback- max 2 sec delay each) and a stereo diffchorus. -Manifold Alpha: This is a pitch-shifting loop(up to 16 seconds) and slap delay. A mixer at the shifter input selects between the source and the loop signals, while another mixer at the loop input selects between the source and the shifted signals. Both outputs (pitch and loop) are then mixed with the left input (channel #1) and fed to the slap delay output on the left side, while the loop and pitch also get fed directly to the right output. Tempo may be used to control delay as well as loop and slap length. -Manifold Beta: This algorithm is essentially a version of "manifold alpha," but it uses a reverse shifter (16 sec) rather than the normal (forward) pitch shifter. -Reverse+Dly+Reverb: This is a reverseshifter (max 5 sec) into a three tap delay (left right and feedback-max 5 sec for each tap) and a reverb 8. Most of these presets can be loaded twice in the same algorithm or combined with distortion, eq, all sort of modulation fx, ring modulators, pitch shifting, reverb, delay, modulatable filters, panning, compression, expansion, poly-fuzzes, multiband distortion. Eclipse is a closed platform. The end user can't build algorithms from scratch. It doesn't have sampling expansion. For deeper details about DSP7000/7500/ORVILLE/EVENET/PRESETS CARDS/VSIGFILE/ECLIPSE, please download manuals and visit the following: http://www.eventide.com/profaud/orvillebro.htm http://www.eventide.com/profaud/dsp7000.htm http://www.eventide.com/profaud/dsp7500.htm http://www.eventide.com/profaud/evenet.htm http://www.eventide.com/vsigfile/index.html http://www.eventide.com/routing/index.html http://www.eventide.com/profaud/4000samp.htm http://www.eventide.com/profaud/pcmcia.htm http://www.eventide.com/eclipse/eclipse.htm For support and users discussions, please visit: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ Italo De Angelis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 2 17:32:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h32MSwU12059; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 17:28:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 17:28:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 14:27:25 -0800 From: Patrick Bolan Subject: RE: Laptop recommendations In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-to: pbolan@csiconstruction.com Message-id: <003901c2f967$09c6b3c0$fc03030a@Patrickbolan2> Organization: CSI Construction MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dells hum badly when they are plugged into the AC power adaptor. I found this out on performance, when ...BAM hum all over the place - I had plugged it in! Mine also squeals a bit when over headphone when its plugged in. If you run them on batteries for the actual recording, they are as quiet as a mouse! Thanks for the tip to drop the ground... I'll try it. Patrick -----Original Message----- From: Paul Weissman [mailto:paul-mailinglists@nioterra.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 1:04 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Laptop recommendations couldn't disagree more. dells rock. i've worked with sony, ibm and dell laptops... i'm about to buy a new laptop (old one was stolen) and... it's going to be a dell! and yes this is the machine i'm going to be using for music performance. it's true that there is bad ground hum in my old dell, but a 3-2 prong converter on the laptop power supply makes quick work of it. no hum. outside of that, everything else is great... price/performance.. look and feel... latency with rme hdsp (3ms)... just a great deal overall. but, to each his own, i guess... paul > -----Original Message----- > From: biz-looper@groovetronica.com > [mailto:biz-looper@groovetronica.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 10:37 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations > > > > Also, most of the new laptops have Firewire, but you might also look > > for > USB > > 2.0 for flexibility. I just noticed the new Dell laptops now > have USB 2.0, > > which is great. > > > > > > Unless you can check the unit before you buy it, STAY AWAY from all > things Dell. > > I haven't seen their current production models, but on every unit I've > tried (more than a few, since we use them at my day job), their power > supply feeds > directly into the ground, which means that you can't use them for any kind > of audio with the power plugged in - a horrible and unavoidable hum occurs > when you plug them into any kind of mixer or power speakers. There is no > solution - it even happens with USB audio. > > When I talked to Dell support, the said they knew of no plans to > rectify this. > > bIz > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 2 18:03:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h32N0Ql15806; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 18:00:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 18:00:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jody Rael" To: Subject: RE: Laptop hum recommendations Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 17:59:43 -0500 Message-ID: <9F5857F63727644090BEBC1EEC33F8DE015B39@server.kling.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you run the laptop on battery instead of the power supply you probably will eliminate the hum- Jody -----Original Message----- From: Paul Weissman [mailto:paul-mailinglists@nioterra.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:04 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Laptop recommendations couldn't disagree more. dells rock. i've worked with sony, ibm and dell laptops... i'm about to buy a new laptop (old one was stolen) and... it's going to be a dell! and yes this is the machine i'm going to be using for music performance. it's true that there is bad ground hum in my old dell, but a 3-2 prong converter on the laptop power supply makes quick work of it. no hum. outside of that, everything else is great... price/performance.. look and feel... latency with rme hdsp (3ms)... just a great deal overall. but, to each his own, i guess... paul > -----Original Message----- > From: biz-looper@groovetronica.com [mailto:biz-looper@groovetronica.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 10:37 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 2 18:43:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h32NgWK19944; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 18:42:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 18:42:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000601c2f971$7bfa0a00$5b0018ac@jnpr.net> Reply-To: From: To: References: <9F5857F63727644090BEBC1EEC33F8DE015B39@server.kling.com> Subject: Re: Laptop hum recommendations Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 15:42:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - hummer.alwayswebhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - groovetronica.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > If you run the laptop on battery instead of the power supply you probably > will eliminate the hum- Sure. That's what I've been doing. However, Dulls (and probably most laptops) don't run for more than an hour running CPU intensive applications (such as any kind of audio DSP) on a fully charged battery. The batteries aren't cheap, either. I have enough to think about on stage without playing count down with my pc. You are also going to have quite some fun re-charging a battery while you play (I'm not sure of how you would do this, without using a second laptop - I've looked for chargers), so for a one hour gig, you will need at least three, if you intend to bring a backup. My work's IT department says that the batteries don't last for more than a year, either - they are constantly replacing them, as a matter of course. (Perhaps yours will last longer - my laptop is on 10 hours+ each day) Make sure they are covered by your warranty. This all brings up another of the dull short comings - switching the batteries while on wall power can crash them. Again, customer support says there is no fix. bIz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jody Rael" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 2:59 PM Subject: RE: Laptop hum recommendations > If you run the laptop on battery instead of the power supply you probably > will eliminate the hum- > Jody > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Weissman [mailto:paul-mailinglists@nioterra.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:04 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Laptop recommendations > > > couldn't disagree more. dells rock. i've worked with sony, ibm and dell > laptops... i'm about to buy a new laptop (old one was stolen) and... it's > going to be a dell! and yes this is the machine i'm going to be using for > music performance. > > it's true that there is bad ground hum in my old dell, but a 3-2 prong > converter on the laptop power supply makes quick work of it. no hum. > > outside of that, everything else is great... price/performance.. look and > feel... latency with rme hdsp (3ms)... just a great deal overall. > > but, to each his own, i guess... > > paul > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: biz-looper@groovetronica.com [mailto:biz-looper@groovetronica.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 10:37 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 2 18:48:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h32Nm9420830; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 18:48:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 18:48:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Cfilben@aol.com Message-ID: <1e4.5e6e32f.2bbcd099@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 18:47:37 EST Subject: Re: Line6 Echo Pro---Pros and Cons To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e4.5e6e32f.2bbcd099_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1e4.5e6e32f.2bbcd099_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you, Eric. I'll definitely audition the DD-20. > the new Roland DD-20 looks like the perfect looping solution for a tiny > budget. > it's a stereo delay, has feedback control, infinite hold (i think ..), and > (very cool) a digital display of your exact delay time in seconds or beats > (if > you're tapping the tempo). oh yeah: 23 seconds. that's plenty (for many > applications) > > it is supposed to be in stores by the end of the week and street for less > than > 200 dollars. > > of course, it is a roland product. i wouldn't buy one unless you had a > chance > to use it first. > Chris Filben - President International Database Design LLC --part1_1e4.5e6e32f.2bbcd099_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you, Eric. I'll definitely audition the DD-20.
the new Roland DD-20 looks like the perfect looping solutio= n for a tiny budget.
it's a stereo delay, has feedback control, infinite hold (i think ..), and <= BR> (very cool) a digital display of your exact delay time in seconds or beats (= if
you're tapping the tempo). oh yeah: 23 seconds. that's plenty (for many
applications)

it is supposed to be in stores by the end of the week and street for less th= an
200 dollars.

of course, it is a roland product. i wouldn't buy one unless you had a chanc= e
to use it first.



Chris Filben - President
International Database Design LLC --part1_1e4.5e6e32f.2bbcd099_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 2 18:51:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h32NoUU21289; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 18:50:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 18:50:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.162.163.19] X-Originating-Email: [matthewf5@hotmail.com] From: "Matthew Wiley" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: VOLUNTEER Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 17:50:09 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2003 23:50:10.0015 (UTC) FILETIME=[9883AEF0:01C2F972] Resent-Message-ID: <_3zNWB.A.CMF.4c3i-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this whole deal is up to the artists. i find it quite sad that you would give the largest percentage to the benefactor. doesn't anyone see a problem with this (i.e. record company syndrome)? the cats with the money get more money as the artists are left out in the cold to starve. it is an even bigger problem when someone says "yeah i would buy it." do they even consider what they are contributing to? i know that everyone is trying to do a good thing by making this artform more accesible, but the artists are the ones making it happen, not somone with money and the ability to make a DVD. there are far more avenues to consider than one thinks, when going into something as complicated as a compilation type production. i think first and foremost we should support our artists that are blazing trails first. by their stuff, and quit downloading from them, they deserve it. peace matt wiley >I would definitely buy the dvd, as I'm sure would other people, how much do >u need to raise??? >I think the dvd would be very popular and an excellent introduction to >loopers-delight and also an excellent advertisement for the artists who >perform on it. In short if the artists perform well they will increase the >interest in their music which is surely good. >It seems now the paypal is such a widely accepted form of payment that this >sort of thing would have a very good chance of taking off. >cheers >Geoff > >on 1/4/03 9:21 pm, Looping9string@aol.com at Looping9string@aol.com wrote: > >I have a digital video camera ... and software to make DVDs > >If someone would pay may expenses for me to attend loopstock, I would >digitally video tape as much as possible and make custom content DVDs to >order, I would charge as little as I could to make them and the person(s) >responsible for sending me would get the largest cut from the sale of the >DVD discs? > >I would be willing to work out any and all other legalities as well! > >I could make MPEG or AVI clips for web sites that the artists and LD could >use too. > >I mentioned this idea a while back to Andre but got no response... > >I know he's busy! ;) > >And hey, maybe artists could donate their percentage to LOOPERS DELIGHT? > >Crazy idea I know but I would be very willing to work it all out and >compromise! > >Any suggestions, or takers? > > _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 2 19:17:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h330Go223845; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 19:16:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 19:16:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 16:19:09 -0800 Subject: why a laptop at all? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: mark To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000601c2f971$7bfa0a00$5b0018ac@jnpr.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: <0nn-G.A.8zF.e13i-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm all for having a nice small laptop be one's rig. Hell, it would make all our lives easier. Here's my question: Why? It seems they're riddled with issues, including noise and latency issues. A Sony VAIO is going to run you about $1500, an Apple Titanium Powerbook is going to be $300 more. Tack some software on top of that, and you're easily looking at $2500. Now, add a midi controller and say we're in the neighborhood of $2700. Now, you can easily pick up something like the new roland V synth, Korg Triton or another work station style keyboard for $2200 that will kick that laptop's ass in terms of capabilities and sound quality and leave you almost enough money for an EDP leftover. Rick's already got a Repeater and an EDP. He could spend the extra cash on a decent multi-effects processor Now, I'm not saying that all of these things are equal. I'm sure there are software packages that will do things that no hardware box will do alone, and visa versa. It just has always seemed to me that if you're looking for bang for the buck, hardware wins... though it's starting to get closer. I guess I'm not aware of capabilities, but my guess is that a high end Sony VAIO or TiBook is not going to give me enough power to run Live, a VST software synth, with a few vst effects on it all at the same time with an acceptable amount of latency and no glitches. Am I wrong? My company is always looking for a way to do realtime video presentations from a laptop, and as far as I can tell, it's not possible with the quality we need. A G3 tower with an Aurora video card is the closest we've gotten. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 2 20:43:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3319Fd28049; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 20:09:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 20:09:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c2f97d$732b9720$5b0018ac@jnpr.net> Reply-To: From: To: References: Subject: Re: why a laptop at all? Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 17:07:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C2F93A.63939170" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - hummer.alwayswebhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - groovetronica.com Resent-Message-ID: <5qfIvB.A.yzG.pl4i-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C2F93A.63939170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I guess I'm not aware of capabilities, but my guess is=20 > that a high end Sony VAIO or TiBook is not going to give me enough=20 > power to run Live, a VST software synth, with a few vst effects on it=20 > all at the same time with an acceptable amount of latency and no=20 > glitches. Am I wrong?=20 Yes. I am running Live with Reason, a live or VST plug on each live channel, = on a 700 mhz Dull. I have to stay away from really heavy plugins, such = as the PSP42 and PSP84, and the Reason granular synth, but tons of other = complex, rich ones are fair game. (For the record, I don't use Reason as = part of my 'rig' right now - I've got too much going on already :>) I get 10 ms latency of the built in sound card. This is noticeable when = playing but >very< far from unplayable. I can even loop live audio in = 'Live'. A 'middle of the road' laptop is going to be twice as fast at least, let = alone a high end one. A multithreading desktop P4 is going to be 3 or 4 = times the speed, for the same price as a mid-range laptop.)=20 > Now, you can easily pick up something like the new roland V synth, = Korg=20 > Triton or another work station style keyboard for $2200 that will kick = > that laptop's ass in terms of capabilities and sound quality and leave = > you almost enough money for an EDP leftover. R I disagree - Live and Reason both blow away the hardware sequencers in = terms of ease of use and >live< performance (well, Live more than Reason = - Reason is cute, but it's just a fancy VST synth, though you do = get'undo' - a feature missing from >all< hardware sequencers.) I have an emu command station and a yamaha RM1x - the two most = interactive 'knob boxes' you can buy. For actual >performance< instead = of just glorified playback, Live has them beat, hands down.=20 =20 >Rick's already got a=20 > Repeater and an EDP. He could spend the extra cash on a decent=20 > multi-effects processor You can use laptops for that, too :> > My company is always looking for a way to do=20 > realtime video presentations from a laptop, and as far as I can tell,=20 > it's not possible with the quality we need. A G3 tower with an Aurora = > video card is the closest we've gotten. >=20 What exactly are you trying to do? I assume it's something more fancy = than playing back a pre-rendered video file. bIz ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C2F93A.63939170 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
  I guess I'm not aware of = capabilities,=20 but my guess is
> that a high end Sony VAIO or TiBook is not = going to=20 give me enough
> power to run Live, a VST software synth, with a = few vst=20 effects on it
> all at the same time with an acceptable amount of = latency=20 and no
> glitches.  Am I wrong? 
 
Yes.
 
I am running Live with Reason, a = live or VST=20 plug on each live channel, on a 700 mhz Dull. I have to stay away from = really=20 heavy plugins, such as the PSP42 and PSP84, and the Reason granular = synth, but=20 tons of other complex, rich ones are fair game. (For the record, I = don't=20 use Reason as part of my 'rig' right now - I've got too much going on = already=20 :>)
 
I get 10 ms latency of the built in = sound card.=20 This is noticeable when playing but >very< far from unplayable. I = can even=20 loop live audio in 'Live'.
 
A 'middle of the road' laptop is = going to be=20 twice as fast at least, let alone a high end one. A multithreading = desktop=20 P4 is going to be 3 or 4 times the speed, for the same price as a = mid-range=20 laptop.) 
 
> Now, you can easily pick up = something like=20 the new roland V synth, Korg
> Triton or another work station = style=20 keyboard for $2200 that will kick
> that laptop's ass in terms of = capabilities and sound quality and leave
> you almost enough = money for an=20 EDP leftover.  R
 
I disagree - Live and Reason both = blow away the=20 hardware sequencers in terms of ease of use and >live< performance = (well,=20 Live more than Reason - Reason is cute, but it's just a fancy VST synth, = though=20 you do get'undo' - a feature missing from >all< hardware=20 sequencers.)
 
I have an=20 emu command station and a yamaha RM1x - the two most interactive 'knob = boxes'=20 you can buy. For actual >performance< instead of = just glorified=20 playback, Live has them beat, hands down.
 
>Rick's already got a
> = Repeater and=20 an EDP.  He could spend the extra cash on a decent
> = multi-effects=20 processor
 
You can use laptops for that, too=20 :>
 
> My company is always = looking for a way=20 to do
> realtime video presentations from a laptop, and as far as = I can=20 tell,
> it's not possible with the quality we need.  A G3 = tower with=20 an Aurora
> video card is the closest we've gotten.
> =
 
What exactly are you trying to do? I = assume it's=20 something more fancy than playing back a pre-rendered video = file.
 
bIz
 
------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C2F93A.63939170-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 2 21:06:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h331Y6r29407; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 20:34:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 20:34:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1049332861.3e8b8c7d2980f@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 20:21:01 -0500 From: erwill@suitandtieguy.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: why a laptop at all? References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.177.160 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting mark : > It seems they're riddled with issues, including noise and latency > issues. A Sony VAIO is going to run you about $1500, an Apple Titanium > Powerbook is going to be $300 more. I utilise Five12.com Numerology software extensively in recording and gigging (as the most improv-friendly sequencer i've used in 11 years of MIDI sequencing), and i'd like to add up my costs for you. my basics, mind you. audio processors (Elextric and Digitech gear aside) are not totalled here: used Apple Powerbook G3: $800 (in june of last year, it's cheaper now) used MIDI interface: $250 (MIDI Express XT; i could get by with less though) Numerology MIDI sequencer: $50 (well, it was comped to me: i was alpha testing) Akai s2800 for drums with Zip drive: $150 (worth $200; i'd get an S5000 instead) Novation Bass Station: $200 (estimated post-trade cost) Korg MS2000: $490 grand total: $1940 total for laptop rig: $1100 if you're going to do just midi (i'm all about the MIDI) then you don't need the Aluminum 17" Gigahz Badboy. i realise that some may scoff at using a laptop for just midi, but keep in mind that there are plenty of people that pay alot of money for hardware sequencers that don't allow you to sum pitch sequences and skip steps. also, saving money on the laptop makes room for buying an EDP, Repeater (watch out for that P/S though), or a big pile of RDS units. :) the coolest thing to do is to take all thost old-ass digital processors you can buy on Ebay for 50-150 bucks (TSRs, LXPs, Studio 400s and whatnot) that have CC control of their effects and sequence them. here's an example (though this isn't as wild as i would like to point out): http://www.suitandtieguy.com/sounds/stutter.mp3 so by buying a cheap laptop and cheap old effects you can get really crazy sounds. i have all the knobs on my Electrix gear labelled with Brother P-Touch labels as to what CC# they are. all my gear also has a little label of what port and channel it's on as well. if you have analogue synthesisers, you could buy a bigger MIDI-CV converter than you need and use the extra gate/cv outs to control even CHEAPER effects. ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 2 21:26:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h331hn829918; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 20:43:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 20:43:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1049333195.3e8b8dcb54f22@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 20:26:35 -0500 From: erwill@suitandtieguy.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: thank you italo. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.177.160 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm going to take time and digest that paper. it's nice to have someone who's with a company who doesn't actively cater to looping explain how their product can be used within the context that the looper would want it to. you also answered my question about the reverse delay. thank you. i do have a question about the 4in/4out routing though: i downloaded vSigfile and initialised it for the Orville. i only see 2 audio inputs into the patch. how do i do quad stuff? thanks, eric williamson www.suitandtieguy.com ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 2 21:49:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h331ebY29521; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 20:40:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 20:40:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002801c2f97e$2ed239c0$5b0018ac@jnpr.net> Reply-To: From: To: Subject: Re: why a laptop at all? Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 17:13:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01C2F93B.1F3BBAB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - hummer.alwayswebhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - groovetronica.com Resent-Message-ID: <9WIgzB.A.h8G.mq4i-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C2F93B.1F3BBAB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I guess I'm not aware of capabilities, but my guess is=20 > that a high end Sony VAIO or TiBook is not going to give me enough=20 > power to run Live, a VST software synth, with a few vst effects on it=20 > all at the same time with an acceptable amount of latency and no=20 > glitches. Am I wrong?=20 Yes. I am running Live with Reason, a live or VST plug on each live channel, = on a 700 mhz Dull. I have to stay away from really heavy plugins, such = as the PSP42 and PSP84, and the Reason granular synth, but tons of other = complex, rich ones are fair game. (For the record, I don't use Reason as = part of my 'rig' right now - I've got too much going on already :>) I get 10 ms latency of the built in sound card. This is noticeable when = playing but >very< far from unplayable. I can even loop live audio in = 'Live'. A 'middle of the road' laptop is going to be twice as fast at least, let = alone a high end one. A multithreading desktop P4 is going to be 3 or 4 = times the speed, for the same price as a mid-range laptop.)=20 > Now, you can easily pick up something like the new roland V synth, = Korg=20 > Triton or another work station style keyboard for $2200 that will kick = > that laptop's ass in terms of capabilities and sound quality and leave = > you almost enough money for an EDP leftover. R I disagree - Live and Reason both blow away the hardware sequencers in = terms of ease of use and >live< performance (well, Live more than Reason = - Reason is cute, but it's just a fancy VST synth, though you do = get'undo' - a feature missing from >all< hardware sequencers.) I have an emu command station and a yamaha RM1x - the two most = interactive 'knob boxes' you can buy. For actual >performance< instead = of just glorified playback, Live has them beat, hands down.=20 >Rick's already got a=20 > Repeater and an EDP. He could spend the extra cash on a decent=20 > multi-effects processor You can use laptops for that, too :> > My company is always looking for a way to do=20 > realtime video presentations from a laptop, and as far as I can tell,=20 > it's not possible with the quality we need. A G3 tower with an Aurora = > video card is the closest we've gotten. >=20 What exactly are you trying to do? I assume it's something more fancy = than playing back a pre-rendered video file. bIz ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C2F93B.1F3BBAB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 

  I guess I'm not aware of = capabilities,=20 but my guess is
> that a high end Sony VAIO or TiBook is not = going to=20 give me enough
> power to run Live, a VST software synth, with a = few vst=20 effects on it
> all at the same time with an acceptable amount of = latency=20 and no
> glitches.  Am I wrong? 
 
Yes.
 
I am running Live with Reason, a = live or VST=20 plug on each live channel, on a 700 mhz Dull. I have to stay away from = really=20 heavy plugins, such as the PSP42 and PSP84, and the Reason granular = synth, but=20 tons of other complex, rich ones are fair game. (For the record, I = don't=20 use Reason as part of my 'rig' right now - I've got too much going on = already=20 :>)
 
I get 10 ms latency of the built in = sound card.=20 This is noticeable when playing but >very< far from unplayable. I = can even=20 loop live audio in 'Live'.
 
A 'middle of the road' laptop is = going to be=20 twice as fast at least, let alone a high end one. A multithreading = desktop=20 P4 is going to be 3 or 4 times the speed, for the same price as a = mid-range=20 laptop.) 
 
> Now, you can easily pick up = something like=20 the new roland V synth, Korg
> Triton or another work station = style=20 keyboard for $2200 that will kick
> that laptop's ass in terms of = capabilities and sound quality and leave
> you almost enough = money for an=20 EDP leftover.  R
 
I disagree - Live and Reason both = blow away the=20 hardware sequencers in terms of ease of use and >live< performance = (well,=20 Live more than Reason - Reason is cute, but it's just a fancy VST synth, = though=20 you do get'undo' - a feature missing from >all< hardware=20 sequencers.)
 
I have an=20 emu command station and a yamaha RM1x - the two most interactive 'knob = boxes'=20 you can buy. For actual >performance< instead of = just glorified=20 playback, Live has them beat, hands down.
 
>Rick's already got a
> = Repeater and=20 an EDP.  He could spend the extra cash on a decent
> = multi-effects=20 processor
 
You can use laptops for that, too=20 :>
 
> My company is always = looking for a way=20 to do
> realtime video presentations from a laptop, and as far as = I can=20 tell,
> it's not possible with the quality we need.  A G3 = tower with=20 an Aurora
> video card is the closest we've gotten.
> =
 
What exactly are you trying to do? I = assume it's=20 something more fancy than playing back a pre-rendered video = file.
 
bIz
 
------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C2F93B.1F3BBAB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 2 22:32:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3336d532010; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 22:06:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 22:06:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E8B9F77.9080601@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 18:41:59 -0800 From: "Matthew F. McCabe" Reply-To: mmccabe@finleysound.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Status: LD T-Shirt Version 2.0 References: <20030401180705.60925.qmail@web21501.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Squid Loop wrote: > Too bad for the one sided shirt -- I really liked that > 100% Feedback on the last shirt. But I'll still buy > since I missed out last time :) Indeed. The 100% Feedback is what "the public" commented on the most. That being said, I'll still order the new design. Matt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 3 00:36:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h33578m02979; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 00:07:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 00:07:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c901c2f994$e47bf480$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <20030401180705.60925.qmail@web21501.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Status: LD T-Shirt Version 2.0 Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 20:55:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com please count me in for 2. thanks! who do i talk with to actually place the order? thanks! jg http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Squid Loop To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:07 AM Subject: Re: Status: LD T-Shirt Version 2.0 > Too bad for the one sided shirt -- I really liked that > 100% Feedback on the last shirt. But I'll still buy > since I missed out last time :) > > > --- Jason Fink wrote: > > > > Greetings Loopers, > > > > I wanted to fill everyone in on the current > > status of the T-Shirt > > project. > > > > We now have an officially approved 3 color > > design, and the next > > step is > > to get pricing information and a sample shirt > > printed. > > > > For the curious, the new design can be viewed > > here: > > http://gisweb.cabq.gov/ld4.jpg > > > > I probably will not be offering different > > colored shirts, but I am > > going to > > consider the choice of long or short sleeves. > > The printing will > > only appear > > on the front this year, the back will remain > > untouched by printer's > > ink. > > > > After I have a sample shirt in hand, I will post > > a true life photo > > and begin > > taking orders. > > > > Just like last year, shirts will be paid for in > > advance via Paypal > > or check and > > I will be shipping via Priority Mail (this > > simplifies the shipping > > charges and also > > allows me to use boxes from the USPS instead of > > having to buy them). > > > > This message is just to let folks know that, > > indeed, the shirts will > > be happening. > > I will post all the gory details as soon as we > > are ready, so stay tuned > > to the list for all the up-to-date information. > > > > > > The LD T-Shirt project is a fund raiser for the > > Looper's Delight > > website. Proceeds > > help offset Kim's costs for running the server. > > Last year was a very > > sucessful project , > > and with this year's retro, yet modern look and > > snappy multi-color > > design, we are > > sure to attract positive attention. Yep, folks > > are gonna come from > > miles around just to > > catch a glimpse you and your shirt, while you > > manipulate the looper > > of your choice... > > > > Thanks! > > > > -jas > > > > Jason Fink > > LD Shirt Guy > > http://zebox.com/dimbulb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > http://platinum.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 3 00:48:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h335RBq05260; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 00:27:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 00:27:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030403033155.16539.qmail@web11402.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 19:31:55 -0800 (PST) From: "Rich R." Subject: Re: Line6 Echo Pro---Pros and Cons To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1ea.5b24131.2bbcabef@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The pros are that it operates like the DL-4 in its most basic functions, so a lot of folks familiar with that unit will be familiar with the Echo Pro's basic looping operations. Another pro is that it has 1 minute of loop time at regular speed and 2 minutes at half speed, which, if you've heard it, sounds just as nice as full speed. A Jam Man requires an upgrade to get *up to* just over half of that memory space. The Echoplex and the Repeater reqire memory upgrades to get extended loop times as well. Further pros are, it sounds nice in general, the delays are fantastic, it's highly configurable and flexible, and it's currently in production and thus supported by the manufacturer unlike most of the other rack loopers available. Yes, the looper is mono, but the delays are in stereo. Is the Echoplex stereo? No. The Jam Man? No. That point, then, is moot. In general, on the plus side it's a basic looper with a lot of time to work with. It has no other looping functionality over the DL-4, except that you can program your controller to operate *all* functions at one time. The cons are you can't edit a loop once it's made, save for starting over. It isn't nearly the looper an Echoplex, Repeater, or Jam Man is. Another con is that its looping functions are the same as the DL-4 and, unless you waste a lot of buttons on your controller, operates similarly to the DL-4 in terms of looping controls (double clicking for functions). It's a basic, no-frills looper. The DD-20 could be a nice unit when it comes out, but we'll have to see. As we've noted with the RC-20, its compactness is also its Achilles' heel. It's tough to get everything out of that unit in a live setting its capable of doing. Certainly Boss is known for design goofs like that, but reliability is hardly a question with a Boss/Roland piece of gear. If a small, simple, and cheap looper is what you're after, then you can do no wrong getting an Akai Headrush, which is available now in abundance. Regards, Rich --- Cfilben@aol.com wrote: > Hi All, > > Can someone please fill me in on the pros and cons > of the Line6 Echo Pro? I > see it sells for abou $299 retail, roughly what I'd > like to spend on a > looper, but I know relatively little about it as > compared with other loopers > costing less than $500. I'd certainly appreciate any > feedback and other > recommendations you might have. > > Thanks a million!!! > > Chris > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 3 01:18:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3364i211050; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 01:04:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 01:04:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Looping9string@aol.com Message-ID: <64.2e83bcf8.2bbd26c6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 00:55:18 EST Subject: Re: VOLUNTEER To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_64.2e83bcf8.2bbd26c6_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Resent-Message-ID: <7v7AH.A.ciC.y28i-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_64.2e83bcf8.2bbd26c6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/2/2003 4:51:06 PM Mountain Standard Time, matthewf5@hotmail.com writes: > this whole deal is up to the artists. i find it quite sad that you would > give the largest percentage to the benefactor. doesn't anyone see a > problem > with this (i.e. record company syndrome)? You completely missed my intentions! --part1_64.2e83bcf8.2bbd26c6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 4/2/2003 4:51:06 PM Mountain Standa= rd Time, matthewf5@hotmail.com writes:

this whole deal is up to the ar= tists.  i find it quite sad that you would
give the largest percentage to the benefactor.  doesn't anyone see a pr= oblem
with this (i.e. record company syndrome)?


You completely missed my intentions! --part1_64.2e83bcf8.2bbd26c6_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 3 02:28:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h337RbV19221; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 02:27:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 02:27:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 23:27:16 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: why a laptop at all? In-reply-to: <1049332861.3e8b8c7d2980f@www.suitandtieguy.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, I'll take your word for the cool sequencer stuff, but it seems to me you're really not saving yourself any schelping with the laptop, as it's not that much smaller (if at all) than a hardware sequencer,and with the fact that you're using other sound sources, means even more gear. I guess my point was kind of me asking if the laptop could replace the long list of gear you listed. (similar to what I haul around) but if you love your sequencer software that's enough of a reason, of course. Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, April 2, 2003, at 05:21 PM, erwill@suitandtieguy.com wrote: > used Apple Powerbook G3: $800 (in june of last year, it's cheaper now) > used MIDI interface: $250 (MIDI Express XT; i could get by with less > though) > Numerology MIDI sequencer: $50 (well, it was comped to me: i was alpha > testing) > Akai s2800 for drums with Zip drive: $150 (worth $200; i'd get an S5000 > instead) > Novation Bass Station: $200 (estimated post-trade cost) > Korg MS2000: $490 > > grand total: $1940 > > total for laptop rig: $1100 > > if you're going to do just midi (i'm all about the MIDI) then you don't > need > the Aluminum 17" Gigahz Badboy. > > i realise that some may scoff at using a laptop for just midi, but keep > in mind > that there are plenty of people that pay alot of money for hardware > sequencers > that don't allow you to sum pitch sequences and skip steps. > > also, saving money on the laptop makes room for buying an EDP, Repeater > (watch > out for that P/S though), or a big pile of RDS units. :) > > the coolest thing to do is to take all thost old-ass digital processors > you can > buy on Ebay for 50-150 bucks (TSRs, LXPs, Studio 400s and whatnot) that > have CC > control of their effects and sequence them. here's an example (though > this > isn't as wild as i would like to point out): > http://www.suitandtieguy.com/sounds/stutter.mp3 > > so by buying a cheap laptop and cheap old effects you can get really > crazy > sounds. i have all the knobs on my Electrix gear labelled with Brother > P-Touch > labels as to what CC# they are. all my gear also has a little label of > what > port and channel it's on as well. > > if you have analogue synthesisers, you could buy a bigger MIDI-CV > converter > than you need and use the extra gate/cv outs to control even CHEAPER > effects. > > ------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 3 02:30:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h337TuC19416; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 02:29:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 02:29:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030403072939.68541.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 23:29:39 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Line6 Echo Pro---Pros and Cons To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1ea.5b24131.2bbcabef@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Chris, Its a great device for the money very simple looping features 60 sec.record,overdub,reverse,1/2 speed etc.it could be compared to the Boomerang but its midi(delay sync only) has digital xlrs outs and great vintage echo simulations.I think for the money is worth having even if you just use it for the studio. My 2 cents L.a --- Cfilben@aol.com wrote: > Hi All, > > Can someone please fill me in on the pros and cons > of the Line6 Echo Pro? I > see it sells for abou $299 retail, roughly what I'd > like to spend on a > looper, but I know relatively little about it as > compared with other loopers > costing less than $500. I'd certainly appreciate any > feedback and other > recommendations you might have. > > Thanks a million!!! > > Chris > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 3 02:58:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h337vQr21802; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 02:57:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 02:57:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 23:57:07 -0800 Subject: Re: Line6 Echo Pro---Pros and Cons Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030403072939.68541.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was under the impression that the midi synched delays were kind of sketchy, no? I believe several here said that the Echo Pro had trouble following almost any midi clock. Mark On Wednesday, April 2, 2003, at 11:29 PM, Louie Angulo wrote: > but its > midi(delay sync only) has digital xlrs outs and great > vintage echo simulations From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 3 03:05:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3385WX23886; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 03:05:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 03:05:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030403080514.65637.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 00:05:14 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Line6 Echo Pro---Pros and Cons To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I,ve synced it with the EDP and repeater together and i have no problem playing syncronized delays to the EDPs and repeater loops it great fun !You cannot however sync its loop but i am not really concerned about syncing the Echo pros loop to the EDP since i dont use it as my main looper. L.a --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > I was under the impression that the midi synched > delays were kind of > sketchy, no? I believe several here said that the > Echo Pro had trouble > following almost any midi clock. > > Mark > > On Wednesday, April 2, 2003, at 11:29 PM, Louie > Angulo wrote: > > but its > > midi(delay sync only) has digital xlrs outs and > great > > vintage echo simulations > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 3 04:07:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3393oc28370; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 04:03:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 04:03:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004b01c2f9bf$a23cd280$0100a8c0@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <1049219538.3e89d1d23115f@www.suitandtieguy.com> <000701c2f966$5fe50460$27797450@SERVER> Subject: Re: EVENTIDES and the art of Looping Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:01:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Italo > Looping on Eventides is basically delay-based; you won't be able to do > looping exactly like on a Jamman or EDP,but you will definitely get many > other > flavours that those units can't provide. powerful oh yes but does a loop stay with the midi clock for ever (does it sync ) ? Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 3 04:10:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3397vr28726; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 04:07:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 04:07:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:07:34 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:thank_you_italo.?= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Italo_De_Angelis?=" To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Loopers-Delight?=" X-XaM3-API-Version: 3.2 R29 (B54 pl1) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 80.180.21.136 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h3397en28694 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >i'm going to take time and digest that paper. it's nice to have someone who's >with a company who doesn't actively cater to looping explain how their product >can be used within the context that the looper would want it to. Actually Eventide has always supported looping. You would just need to read the presets descriptions in the older manuals. The people writing presets at Eventide ARE loopers! >you also answered my question about the reverse delay. thank you. >i do have a question about the 4in/4out routing though: i downloaded vSigfile >and initialised it for the Orville. i only see 2 audio inputs into the patch. >how do i do quad stuff? Ok, I assume you are using any unit database (dsp7/75/Orville) in Vsig folder, or you wouldn't "see" the working sheet in VSIG. Just right click on any In or Out and choose "Add Repeating Field" from the pop up menu. thanks, eric williamson www.suitandtieguy.com ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ All the best ___________________________________________ Italo De Angelis Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division italo@eventide.com EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 3 04:11:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h33992328798; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 04:09:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 04:09:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:08:46 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_EVENTIDES_and_the_art_of_Looping?= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Italo_De_Angelis?=" To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Loopers-Delight?=" X-XaM3-API-Version: 3.2 R29 (B54 pl1) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 80.180.21.136 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h3398ln28767 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Better using tap tempo, not midi. It will stay solid, that way. Italo Italo > Looping on Eventides is basically delay-based; you won't be able to do > looping exactly like on a Jamman or EDP,but you will definitely get many > other > flavours that those units can't provide. powerful oh yes but does a loop stay with the midi clock for ever (does it sync ) ? Claude ___________________________________________ Italo De Angelis Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division italo@eventide.com EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 3 04:12:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h339A2w28897; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 04:10:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 04:10:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <75.df641ce.2bbd5450@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 04:09:36 EST Subject: Re: EVENTIDES and the art of Looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Well...it was a lot of work. Worth the time, though! THANKYOU Italo , much appreciated, that post goes straight into my archives . Further questions. Starting with the "obvious ones that everybody asks about a new looper" What about syncing Loops to Incoming MIDI clock? Would it be possible to mod one of the sampler/delay modules to produce a tap time delay ? ...would it play back straight away at end of record?(with no delay) ...could it go straight into overdub. The loop functions seem to be geared towards textured sounds, rather than the sort of rhythmic loop manipulation possible on the EDP , ......is this a correct observation? Can any eventide gear emulate the Multiply and Insert functions of the EDP? SAMPLER (DSP7500 & ORVILLE) : well say I wanted to trigger a bunch of samples from a sequencer, but then wanted to re-record those samples arbitrarily while the sequence was running (or overdub) would that be possible? would it be possible to do this triggering a series of samples in sequence from an LFO ( which looks like it should be possible from what you say)? ...would you be able to use a sample more than once in that "sequence". > Hopefuly you all will find enough information and inspiration to start > looping on an Eventide ..............but not the cash ;-( andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 3 04:28:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h339RpM29864; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 04:27:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 04:27:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <6f.37381d70.2bbd587d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 04:27:25 EST Subject: Norwich(UK) looper publicity To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Any of you loopers live in the East Anglia region of UK? If so, check out the EDP (Eastern Daily Press) on Friday. A number of local "acts" are featured in what they say is a big promotion. one of those acts is looper and LD member andy butler (that's me), so possibly some publicity for livelooping/EDP/Loop4 depending on what they find interesting to write about. there's also a CD to be had, possibly for free if you buy enough papers. features a 3 min looping track with some of the new loop4 tricks incorporated. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 3 11:16:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h33GFep05747; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:15:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:15:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-23.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1049386505!4940 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAE63@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: info@kellarbass.com Subject: [looper's] new toy Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 17:05:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2F9FA.E56D7010" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2F9FA.E56D7010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" any of you seen the kellar jam-bass? (www. jambass.com) I just got one, largely because I thought it was such a mad unexpected idea that I just had to try it. upon closer investigation, it would seem that the thing has great potential as a midi controller for those of us using guitars or basses with our looping devices. the unit has built-in bass and percussion sounds triggered by the strips of membrane pads that are attached (by sticky stuff) to the back of y'r guitar neck. (they are positioned in two rows to coincide with the frets beneath the E and A strings of a regular-scale guitar). it also has midi-out, and transmits a limited selection of PC's on channel one, corresponding to some GM bass sounds. I suspect there's a way of generating other PC's but I'll have to have a play with it.... so it doesn't seem like a great leap to have mr kellar re-write the midi bit with (more easily) user-configurable PC's to drive one's repeater (say). at the moment, the manual suggests relocating your favourite effects patches/presets (in a pod, say, or other midi box) so that the jambass can "find" them with it's existing implementation of PC's... but so anyway, I haven't taken it home and tried it yet. can't wait! duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. 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any of you seen the kellar jam-bass? (www. jambass.com)
I just got one, largely because I thought it was such a = mad unexpected idea that I just had to try it. upon closer investigation, i= t would seem that the thing has great potential as a midi controller for th= ose of us using guitars or basses with our looping devices.

the unit has built-in bass and percussion sounds triggere= d by the strips of membrane pads that are attached (by sticky stuff) to the= back of y'r guitar neck. (they are positioned in two rows to coincide with= the frets beneath the E and A strings of a regular-scale guitar). <= /P>

it also has midi-out, and transmits a limited selection o= f PC's on channel one, corresponding to some GM bass sounds.
I suspect there's a way of generating other PC's but I'l= l have to have a play with it....

so it doesn't seem like a great leap to have mr kellar re= -write the midi bit with (more easily) user-configurable PC's to drive one'= s repeater (say). at the moment, the manual suggests relocating your favour= ite effects patches/presets (in a pod, say, or other midi box) so that the = jambass can "find" them with it's existing implementation of PC's= ...

but so anyway, I haven't taken it home and tried it yet. = can't wait!

duncan.




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------_=_NextPart_001_01C2F9FA.E56D7010-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 3 11:19:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h33GJFx06143; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:19:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:19:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030403161902.56151.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 08:19:01 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Roland DD-20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1e4.5e6e32f.2bbcd099@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Eric wrote: > > the new Roland DD-20 looks like the perfect looping solution for a tiny > > budget. > > it's a stereo delay, has feedback control, infinite hold (i think ..), and > > (very cool) a digital display of your exact delay time in seconds or beats > > (if > > you're tapping the tempo). oh yeah: 23 seconds. that's plenty (for many > > applications) > > > > it is supposed to be in stores by the end of the week and street for less > > than 200 dollars. Has anyone actually used one of these things? I'd love to read a review. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 3 11:30:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h33GR5O06807; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:27:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:27:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [199.120.90.11] X-Originating-Email: [commencement13@hotmail.com] From: "Kris Day" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Recording software for Yellowdog Linux Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 10:26:41 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2003 16:26:42.0238 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF74DDE0:01C2F9FD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

I setup an Imac with YellowDog Linux as its OS. I need to find some decent (or any) recording software such as synths, mixers, and other tools to use with. Can anyone help?

Kris



Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 3 11:41:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h33GblI08070; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:37:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:37:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c2f9ff$54816ca0$5b0018ac@jnpr.net> Reply-To: From: To: References: Subject: Re: why a laptop at all? Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 08:37:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - hummer.alwayswebhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - groovetronica.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's not Live's sequencer that makes the difference - I don't use it's sequencer functions at all - it's the abiliity to trgger samples and manipulate effects. It's like an MPC2000 on steroids. You don't even need to plug in a midi controller - you can just use the keyboard. bIz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 11:27 PM Subject: Re: why a laptop at all? > OK, I'll take your word for the cool sequencer stuff, but it seems to me > you're really not saving yourself any schelping with the laptop, as it's > not that much smaller (if at all) than a hardware sequencer,and with the > fact that you're using other sound sources, means even more gear. I > guess my point was kind of me asking if the laptop could replace the > long list of gear you listed. (similar to what I haul around) but if > you love your sequencer software that's enough of a reason, of course. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Wednesday, April 2, 2003, at 05:21 PM, erwill@suitandtieguy.com wrote: > > > used Apple Powerbook G3: $800 (in june of last year, it's cheaper now) > > used MIDI interface: $250 (MIDI Express XT; i could get by with less > > though) > > Numerology MIDI sequencer: $50 (well, it was comped to me: i was alpha > > testing) > > Akai s2800 for drums with Zip drive: $150 (worth $200; i'd get an S5000 > > instead) > > Novation Bass Station: $200 (estimated post-trade cost) > > Korg MS2000: $490 > > > > grand total: $1940 > > > > total for laptop rig: $1100 > > > > if you're going to do just midi (i'm all about the MIDI) then you don't > > need > > the Aluminum 17" Gigahz Badboy. > > > > i realise that some may scoff at using a laptop for just midi, but keep > > in mind > > that there are plenty of people that pay alot of money for hardware > > sequencers > > that don't allow you to sum pitch sequences and skip steps. > > > > also, saving money on the laptop makes room for buying an EDP, Repeater > > (watch > > out for that P/S though), or a big pile of RDS units. :) > > > > the coolest thing to do is to take all thost old-ass digital processors > > you can > > buy on Ebay for 50-150 bucks (TSRs, LXPs, Studio 400s and whatnot) that > > have CC > > control of their effects and sequence them. here's an example (though > > this > > isn't as wild as i would like to point out): > > http://www.suitandtieguy.com/sounds/stutter.mp3 > > > > so by buying a cheap laptop and cheap old effects you can get really > > crazy > > sounds. i have all the knobs on my Electrix gear labelled with Brother > > P-Touch > > labels as to what CC# they are. all my gear also has a little label of > > what > > port and channel it's on as well. > > > > if you have analogue synthesisers, you could buy a bigger MIDI-CV > > converter > > than you need and use the extra gate/cv outs to control even CHEAPER > > effects. > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 3 11:56:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h33Gqph09893; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:52:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:52:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <4f.2d31e138.2bbdc0b6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:52:06 EST Subject: Re: Line6 Echo Pro---Pros and Cons To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 4/2/03 1:22:44 PM, erwill@suitandtieguy.com writes: << it is supposed to be in stores by the end of the week and street for less than 200 dollars. >> They have it in the most recent catalog of American Musical Supply listed at $229. BobC The Thumb Piano Project www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 3 12:01:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h33GwIU10497; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:58:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:58:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <1de.5f591ae.2bbdc213@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:57:55 EST Subject: Re: Recording software for Yellowdog Linux To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 4/3/03 8:27:22 AM, commencement13@hotmail.com writes: << I need to find some decent (or any) recording software such as synths, mixers, and other tools to use with. Can anyone help? >> You can always try www.hit-squad.com for starters. Here is what they have for linux under recording: bplay buffered audio play/record program CDDOIT CD Creation & Sound Electric Ears 0.6.7 Audio editor, player and recorder GramoFile Record LPs to CD, removing hiss, pop and clicks KHdRecord 6.2 Record WAVs or encode MP3s directly to your hard drive Sound Studio 0.2c Record and play back audio files in various formats SoX-Sound eXchange 12.17.3 Sox is a general purpose sound converter/player/recorder that supports a number of formats xwave Audio editor, player, recorder and effects, for XWindow System BobC The Thumb Piano Project www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 3 12:02:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h33GwbD10571; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:58:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:58:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 12:16:18 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Subject: Re: [LOOP] [looper's] new toy In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAE63@LON-MAIL07> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been looking at getting one of these for about two years now to use on my Chapman Stick, for exactly the reasons you describe: not so much as an accompaniment unit (although that seems cool as it is), but for the potential of a customizable set of triggers of MIDI commands for use with my Repeater and/or the rest of the Electrix rack or the Nord (currently), and an Echoplex (eventually), essentially an FCB 1010 without taking up even more of the stage than I already do :). The Jambass looks to be an innovative concept. I'd like to hear more when you actually get a chance to test it out. best, Steve Burnett Subscape Annex (micro-gig spam - next show this Saturday, Raleigh NC) http://www.subscapeannex.com/ On Thu, 3 Apr 2003 goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > any of you seen the kellar jam-bass? (www. jambass.com) > I just got one, largely because I thought it was such a mad unexpected idea that I just had to try it. upon closer investigation, it would seem that the thing has great potential as a midi controller for those of us using guitars or basses with our looping devices. > the unit has built-in bass and percussion sounds triggered by the strips of membrane pads that are attached (by sticky stuff) to the back of y'r guitar neck. (they are positioned in two rows to coincide with the frets beneath the E and A strings of a regular-scale guitar). > it also has midi-out, and transmits a limited selection of PC's on channel one, corresponding to some GM bass sounds. > I suspect there's a way of generating other PC's but I'll have to have a play with it.... > > so it doesn't seem like a great leap to have mr kellar re-write the midi bit with (more easily) user-configurable PC's to drive one's repeater (say). at the moment, the manual suggests relocating your favourite effects patches/presets (in a pod, say, or other midi box) so that the jambass can "find" them with it's existing implementation of PC's... > > but so anyway, I haven't taken it home and tried it yet. can't wait! > > duncan. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 3 12:07:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h33H4Er12526; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 12:04:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 12:04:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [199.120.90.11] X-Originating-Email: [commencement13@hotmail.com] From: "Kris Day" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Recording software for Yellowdog Linux Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 11:03:38 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2003 17:03:39.0059 (UTC) FILETIME=[F8C8E830:01C2FA02] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

well i need something to run on a Power PC with Linux as the OS




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From: Aptrev@aol.com
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To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Recording software for Yellowdog Linux
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:57:55 EST
In a message dated 4/3/03 8:27:22 AM, commencement13@hotmail.com writes:
<< I need to find some decent (or any) recording software such as synths,
mixers, and other tools to use with. Can anyone help? >>
You can always try www.hit-squad.com for starters. Here is what they have for
linux under recording:
bplay buffered audio play/record program
CDDOIT CD Creation & Sound
Electric Ears 0.6.7 Audio editor, player and recorder
GramoFile Record LPs to CD, removing hiss, pop and clicks
KHdRecord 6.2 Record WAVs or encode MP3s directly to your hard drive
Sound Studio 0.2c Record and play back audio files in various formats
SoX-Sound eXchange 12.17.3 Sox is a general purpose sound
converter/player/recorder that supports a number of formats
xwave Audio editor, player, recorder and effects, for XWindow System
BobC
The Thumb Piano Project
www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject
http://trundlebox.iuma.com
http://brokenaxe.iuma.com

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 3 12:22:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h33HLSH14132; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 12:21:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 12:21:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030403172104.9868.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 09:21:04 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Recording software for Yellowdog Linux To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kris, Check out the Sound & MIDI software for Linux site at: http://sound.condorow.net/ Lots of good stuff there. I've seen discussions on the Linux Audio Users mailing list about PPC stuff, but it's been quite awhile and I don't subscribe any more. But the archives are online, so you can probably get some good info there. Greg --- Kris Day wrote: --------------------------------- well i need something to run on a Power PC with Linux as the OS http://www.helloshadow.tk----Original Message Follows---- From: Aptrev@aol.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Recording software for Yellowdog Linux Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:57:55 EST In a message dated 4/3/03 8:27:22 AM, commencement13@hotmail.com writes: << I need to find some decent (or any) recording software such as synths, mixers, and other tools to use with. Can anyone help? >> You can always try www.hit-squad.com for starters. Here is what they have for linux under recording: bplay buffered audio play/record program CDDOIT CD Creation & Sound Electric Ears 0.6.7 Audio editor, player and recorder GramoFile Record LPs to CD, removing hiss, pop and clicks KHdRecord 6.2 Record WAVs or encode MP3s directly to your hard drive Sound Studio 0.2c Record and play back audio files in various formats SoX-Sound eXchange 12.17.3 Sox is a general purpose sound converter/player/recorder that supports a number of formats xwave Audio editor, player, recorder and effects, for XWindow System BobC The Thumb Piano Project www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com --------------------------------- Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 3 12:40:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h33HdeK15891; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 12:39:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 12:39:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:43:13 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Knobs on the EDP From: Michael Firman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Has anyone removed the knobs on their EDP (Plex)? It doesn't seem that there are set screws so they must be pressured on somehow. Is there a trick to removing them? I'm afraid to use BIFY (Brute Force and F*cking Ignorance) for fear of breaking the shafts. Please advise. -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 3 13:06:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h33I5GK19500; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 13:05:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 13:05:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Dave Hastings" To: Subject: RE: Line6 Echo Pro---Pros and Cons Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 10:04:20 -0800 Message-ID: <003801c2fa0b$7346cfc0$706ff4d1@hmv5n> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <20030403033155.16539.qmail@web11402.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <4d3VSD.A.NwE.MfHj-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Rich R. [mailto:idropetod@yahoo.com] > Subject: Re: Line6 Echo Pro---Pros and Cons > > Another pro is that it has 1 minute of loop time at > regular speed and 2 minutes at half speed, which, if > you've heard it, sounds just as nice as full speed. A > Jam Man requires an upgrade to get *up to* just over > half of that memory space. The Echoplex and the > Repeater reqire memory upgrades to get extended loop > times as well. This is (potentially) inaccurate with respect to the EDP. IIRC the EDPs have been shipped for a while with as much memory as they can hold, and the full complement of memory allows for 198 seconds of looping at normal speed. If you're getting an older used EDP you'd definitely want to find out how much memory it has. -daveh -------------- Dave Hastings dhastings@earthlink.net "Outside of a dog, books are a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read" Groucho Marx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 3 13:38:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h33IZU122116; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 13:35:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 13:35:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E8C0E97.20C1@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 10:36:10 +0000 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: CD reviews/looping on Eclipse References: <64.2e83bcf8.2bbd26c6@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm thrilled to share that my new CD "Mourning Guests Who Never Arrived" has been picked up for distribution by Backroads music,(joining other esteemed list members Jeff Pearce and Tom Heasley.)It is reviewed and featured in the "Owners Picks" section of the website http://www.backroadsmusic.com/catalog/lloyds_picks/lloydspicks.html And I'm still blushing over my review in Bassinside http://www.bassinside.com/2003/april/cdreview.htm Every piece includes realtime looped bass.90% of the sounds are bass.Half of the looping was done on an Eventide Eclipse.. Thanks and PEACE, Scott Kungha Drengsen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 3 15:11:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h33K9o304484; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 15:09:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 15:09:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c2fa1c$aaea3820$6662f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200304031641.h33GfIC08601@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: A treat for East Coast Loopers Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 12:07:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey East Coast loopers, Since you can't make the fabulous LOOPTOCK this coming weekend (LOOPSTOCK EAST next year?) give yourself a consolation treat and go see the fabulous looper/vocalist/songwriter AMY X NEUBURG if you have the chance. Amy was the absolute hands down 'most talked about' loopist at last summer's big Y2K2 LOOPFEST (this biggest loopfest so far with over 50 artists performing). Her songs are thought-provoking, funny and dark...........I love her work. Her blend of technology and performance are seamless and she is a very kinetic performer. Check it out: yours, Rick Walker SATURDAY APRIL 12 > 8:30 PM > AMY X NEUBURG performs her Avant-Cabaret solo works for voice, > electronics and percussion > > ROULETTE > 228 West Broadway (in Tribeca), New York > Reservations/info: (212) 219-8242 > $10, free to Roulette members > > A brief descriptive thingy: > Performer/composer/lyricist Amy X Neuburg creates high-technology > music that is unusually intimate in nature. In performance she > accompanies her diversely-influenced songs with electronic percussion > and various voice processors, to build up thick layers of vocal > harmonies and rhythms. An established figure in the Bay Area new > music scene, Amy has also recorded and toured internationally with > Robert Ashley's operas, performed for nine years with her > avant-cabaret band Amy X Neuburg & Men, and presented her solo works > at clubs, theatres, schools and festivals throughout the West. This > will be her first solo performance in New York. > > Here is a groovy quote: > "On the big stage of the Palace of Fine Arts Theater she was nothing > less than brilliant. Her stage persona transcended the gadgetry of > loop and sample, taking flight when she stepped away from the > flashing, glowing electronics and took the stage, coming closer to > the audience... Neuburg has an artistry and potential that are truly > compelling and may prove to be bigger than the local fishbowl can > contain. " -- Thomas Goss, San Francisco Classical Voice, March 2003 > > -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 3 15:44:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h33KgJQ08310; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 15:42:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 15:42:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <7e.37631e53.2bbdf680@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 15:41:36 EST Subject: Loop file To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <59HQOB.A.OBC.QyJj-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All I did a loop last night on a Boss RC-20. I have put the mp3 file for download/stream at: http://trundlebox.iuma.com title: Ply Loop The "instrument" used was just 6 metal staples from a cardboard shipping container that are clamped to a scrap of half-inch plywood. Minimalist and gritty and rather amusing considering the materials used. Figured it might be worth sharing. cheers, BobC The Thumb Piano Project www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 3 15:50:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h33KkIr08830; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 15:46:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 15:46:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <78.3c50374e.2bbdf775@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 15:45:41 EST Subject: Re: A treat for East Coast Loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_78.3c50374e.2bbdf775_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_78.3c50374e.2bbdf775_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/3/03 3:10:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes: > SATURDAY APRIL 12 > > 8:30 PM > > AMY X NEUBURG performs her Avant-Cabaret solo works for voice, > > electronics and percussion > > ROULETTE > 228 West Broadway (in Tribeca), New York > Reservations/info: (212) 219-8242 > $10, free to Roulette members rick is right.....amy is a treat.....if you are in the neighborhood dont miss this show.....michael --part1_78.3c50374e.2bbdf775_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 4/3/03= 3:10:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes:


SATURDAY APRIL 12
> 8:30 PM
> AMY X NEUBURG performs her Avant-Cabaret solo works for voice,
> electronics and percussion

> ROULETTE
> 228 West Broadway (in Tribeca), New York
> Reservations/info: (212) 219-8242
> $10, free to Roulette members


rick is right.....amy is a treat.....if you are in the neighborhood dont mis= s this show.....michael --part1_78.3c50374e.2bbdf775_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 3 18:56:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h33NtQL01072; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 18:55:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 18:55:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.115.108.123] X-Originating-Email: [armyofpie@hotmail.com] From: "Will Wright" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: why a laptop at all? Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 15:54:54 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2003 23:54:54.0372 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C6ADE40:01C2FA3C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A scenario off the top of my head. Someone does not have a bunch of cool blinking boxes with knobs and sliders, or perhaps the space for them, but they have a nice laptop they use for work or something. A switchable hard drive later and they have everything they need (or at least something they can work with). Maybe not better or worse than lovely lovely hardware, but still valid. Unfortunatly I have neither the blinky things or the good laptop, but I do have a whole bunch of really bad laptops. I'm sort of working towards having 3 or 4 cheap laptops each doing something really primitive. Will Wright >From: Mark Sottilaro >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: why a laptop at all? >Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 23:27:16 -0800 > >OK, I'll take your word for the cool sequencer stuff, but it seems to me >you're really not saving yourself any schelping with the laptop, as it's >not that much smaller (if at all) than a hardware sequencer,and with the >fact that you're using other sound sources, means even more gear. I guess >my point was kind of me asking if the laptop could replace the long list of >gear you listed. (similar to what I haul around) but if you love your >sequencer software that's enough of a reason, of course. > >Mark Sottilaro > >On Wednesday, April 2, 2003, at 05:21 PM, erwill@suitandtieguy.com wrote: > >>used Apple Powerbook G3: $800 (in june of last year, it's cheaper now) >>used MIDI interface: $250 (MIDI Express XT; i could get by with less >>though) >>Numerology MIDI sequencer: $50 (well, it was comped to me: i was alpha >>testing) >>Akai s2800 for drums with Zip drive: $150 (worth $200; i'd get an S5000 >>instead) >>Novation Bass Station: $200 (estimated post-trade cost) >>Korg MS2000: $490 >> >>grand total: $1940 >> >>total for laptop rig: $1100 >> >>if you're going to do just midi (i'm all about the MIDI) then you don't >>need >>the Aluminum 17" Gigahz Badboy. >> >>i realise that some may scoff at using a laptop for just midi, but keep in >>mind >>that there are plenty of people that pay alot of money for hardware >>sequencers >>that don't allow you to sum pitch sequences and skip steps. >> >>also, saving money on the laptop makes room for buying an EDP, Repeater >>(watch >>out for that P/S though), or a big pile of RDS units. :) >> >>the coolest thing to do is to take all thost old-ass digital processors >>you can >>buy on Ebay for 50-150 bucks (TSRs, LXPs, Studio 400s and whatnot) that >>have CC >>control of their effects and sequence them. here's an example (though this >>isn't as wild as i would like to point out): >>http://www.suitandtieguy.com/sounds/stutter.mp3 >> >>so by buying a cheap laptop and cheap old effects you can get really crazy >>sounds. i have all the knobs on my Electrix gear labelled with Brother >>P-Touch >>labels as to what CC# they are. all my gear also has a little label of >>what >>port and channel it's on as well. >> >>if you have analogue synthesisers, you could buy a bigger MIDI-CV >>converter >>than you need and use the extra gate/cv outs to control even CHEAPER >>effects. >> >>------------------------------------------------- >>This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ >> > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 3 19:19:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h340IcR05893; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 19:18:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 19:18:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 16:20:53 -0800 Subject: Re: why a laptop at all? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <4BE6E7ED-6633-11D7-A1F2-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: <9FruUB.A.XbB.F9Mj-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Perhaps with your primitive laptop power and my crazy blinking light devices we could join forces and RULE THE WORLD. MWAA HAAAA HAAAAAA! Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, April 3, 2003, at 03:54 PM, Will Wright wrote: > A scenario off the top of my head. > > Someone does not have a bunch of cool blinking boxes with knobs and > sliders, or perhaps the space for them, but they have a nice laptop > they use for work or something. A switchable hard drive later and they > have everything they need (or at least something they can work with). > Maybe not better or worse than lovely lovely hardware, but still > valid. > > Unfortunatly I have neither the blinky things or the good laptop, but > I do have a whole bunch of really bad laptops. I'm sort of working > towards having 3 or 4 cheap laptops each doing something really > primitive. > > Will Wright > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 3 21:32:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h342Sgw22261; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 21:28:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 21:28:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c2fa51$9c54e6e0$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <7e.37631e53.2bbdf680@aol.com> Subject: Re: Loop file Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 19:26:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <7eop3B.A.JbF.-2Oj-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com cool stuff. thanks bob. jg http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 1:41 PM Subject: Loop file > Hi All > > I did a loop last night on a Boss RC-20. I have put the mp3 file for > download/stream at: > > http://trundlebox.iuma.com > > title: Ply Loop > > The "instrument" used was just 6 metal staples from a cardboard shipping > container that are clamped to a scrap of half-inch plywood. > Minimalist and gritty and rather amusing considering the materials used. > Figured it might be worth sharing. > > cheers, > BobC > > The Thumb Piano Project > www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject > http://trundlebox.iuma.com > http://brokenaxe.iuma.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 3 22:02:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h342xgA27955; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 21:59:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 21:59:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1049425156.3e8cf504cc779@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 21:59:16 -0500 From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: why a laptop at all? References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.177.160 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting Will Wright : > Unfortunatly I have neither the blinky things or the good laptop, but I do > have a whole bunch of really bad laptops. I'm sort of working towards having > 3 or 4 cheap laptops each doing something really primitive. i think it's awesome! i was just pointing out that there is a place for a laptop in a live rig and that it isn't as expensive as one may think. that reminds me of an idea that my friend kevin had once of buying a big pile of old RDS1900 units and chaining them in series to make the world's most rube- goldbergian looper. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 3 22:04:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3431S328294; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 22:01:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 22:01:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.51.28.239] X-Originating-Email: [jrcalmlikeabomb@hotmail.com] From: "Jesse Raderman" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boomerang Hookup Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 22:01:05 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Apr 2003 03:01:05.0893 (UTC) FILETIME=[6F29B150:01C2FA56] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey everyone, I'm a newbie to looping and pretty much guitar effects in general. Well I just picked up the boomerang yesterday and love it so far, getting some awesome riffs and loops going but the only problem is I am unsure of how to hook it up so I can run my guitar and mic through it at the same time. My gear right now is Dean Exoctic Accustic/Electric, Shure sm57 mic, boomerang, and fender acoustasonic Jr. amp. What do I need so I can successfully pull this off? Thanks _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 3 22:13:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h343A5n29544; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 22:10:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 22:10:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b001c2fa57$6c9380a0$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: Subject: Re: Boomerang Hookup Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 20:08:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <1s14CC.A.rKH.9dPj-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jesse check out my gear page on http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com go to music on your left then equipment on your right. from equipment scroll down till you see the 'magic box' there you will see pics and a schematic of how it goes together as a routing system for any number of devices. i also use the rang. let me know if you have any questions. welcome!! peace jg ----- Original Message ----- From: Jesse Raderman To: Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 8:01 PM Subject: Boomerang Hookup > Hey everyone, I'm a newbie to looping and pretty much guitar effects in > general. Well I just picked up the boomerang yesterday and love it so far, > getting some awesome riffs and loops going but the only problem is I am > unsure of how to hook it up so I can run my guitar and mic through it at the > same time. My gear right now is Dean Exoctic Accustic/Electric, Shure sm57 > mic, boomerang, and fender acoustasonic Jr. amp. What do I need so I can > successfully pull this off? > > Thanks > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 3 22:27:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h343Qkc31632; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 22:26:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 22:26:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 22:25:34 -0500 To: nyhappenings@yahoogroups.com, "Looper's Delight Mailing List" From: Tom Ritchford Subject: 4/5: oooopen llllllooop! 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 3 22:49:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h343n1o02108; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 22:49:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 22:49:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 21:42:06 -0600 Subject: OT | WTB: Ibanez EPP-400 Patcher From: ":: noise ::" To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200304040313.h343DaD30084@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3132250927_2565619_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3132250927_2565619_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hello - Wondering if anyone on the list has an Ibanez EPP-400 FX Patcher they are interested in selling? Must be in working condition... Adam --MS_Mac_OE_3132250927_2565619_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable OT | WTB: Ibanez EPP-400 Patcher Hello -

Wondering if anyone on the list has an Ibanez EPP-400 F= X Patcher they are interested in selling?

Must be in working condition...

Adam --MS_Mac_OE_3132250927_2565619_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 4 01:32:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h346TAP24295; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 01:29:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 01:29:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: why a laptop at all? Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 22:28:36 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <9RAAXB.A.t6F.fYSj-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i play out every show with some combination of: - traktor - live - reaktor - software i'm developing just thinking about carrying the equivalent amount of hardware (not that there is equivalent gear) makes me shudder. ;) paul > -----Original Message----- > From: mark [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:19 PM > To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: why a laptop at all? > > > I'm all for having a nice small laptop be one's rig. Hell, it would > make all our lives easier. Here's my question: > > Why? > > It seems they're riddled with issues, including noise and latency > issues. A Sony VAIO is going to run you about $1500, an Apple Titanium > Powerbook is going to be $300 more. > > Tack some software on top of that, and you're easily looking at $2500. > Now, add a midi controller and say we're in the neighborhood of $2700. > > Now, you can easily pick up something like the new roland V synth, Korg > Triton or another work station style keyboard for $2200 that will kick > that laptop's ass in terms of capabilities and sound quality and leave > you almost enough money for an EDP leftover. Rick's already got a > Repeater and an EDP. He could spend the extra cash on a decent > multi-effects processor > > Now, I'm not saying that all of these things are equal. I'm sure there > are software packages that will do things that no hardware box will do > alone, and visa versa. It just has always seemed to me that if you're > looking for bang for the buck, hardware wins... though it's starting to > get closer. I guess I'm not aware of capabilities, but my guess is > that a high end Sony VAIO or TiBook is not going to give me enough > power to run Live, a VST software synth, with a few vst effects on it > all at the same time with an acceptable amount of latency and no > glitches. Am I wrong? My company is always looking for a way to do > realtime video presentations from a laptop, and as far as I can tell, > it's not possible with the quality we need. A G3 tower with an Aurora > video card is the closest we've gotten. > > Mark Sottilaro > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 4 07:37:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h34CY0v32044; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 07:34:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 07:34:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 06:38:22 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-285741710 Subject: MEME - Loops on the radio/internet From: Michael Firman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <52304D0A-669A-11D7-BD7F-0003930F282A@mlswebworks.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-4-285741710 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Much Looping to be heard here: Be sure to catch a program of live Electronic music performed by members of the Midwest Electronic Music Ensemble, Friday (this Friday), April 4th at midnight eastern time (11:00 PM central) on The Electrik Kingdom, hosted by Chris Stecker on WCBN radio, 88.3 FM, Ann Arbor Michigan and streamed live at http://www.wcbn.org/ on the web. Michael Firman plays a twelve+ module Wiard system, Korg ER-1 drum-machine, Rin-gong, EDP, and effects. Nick Wilson plays 6-string electric violin, effects, loops, metal box and sequences. Together they will perform a program of composed and improvised Electronic Soundscapes consisting of Drones, Beats, Noise, Melodic Fragments and other textural elements. MEME (rhymes with theme) has existed for six years and consists of seven members (five of who are current active members): Grant Richter, Darwin Grosse, John Papiewski, Nick Wilson, Michael Firman, Andre Stordeur, and Jack McCarthy (Darwin and Jack are now both living outside of the midwest). MEME performs live on a variety of electronic instruments including various modular synthesizers and exotic controllers. MEME is devoted to the production of live, creative, electronic music. More information about the group can be found at: http://www.mlswebworks.com/meme.html Those of you in Ann Arbor, tune your radios to 88.3 FM at Midnight on Friday, April 4th. If you're not in the Ann Arbor area you can listen to the streaming audio of the program by going to http://www.wcbn.org/ and clicking on "listen live" (then follow the instructions). Thanks for listening! -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com --Apple-Mail-4-285741710 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Much Looping to be heard here: Be sure to catch a program of live Electronic music performed by members of the Midwest Electronic Music Ensemble, Friday (this Friday), April 4th at midnight eastern time (11:00 PM central) on The Electrik Kingdom, hosted by Chris Stecker on WCBN radio, 88.3 FM, Ann Arbor Michigan and streamed live at 1A1A,1A1A,FFFFhttp://www.wcbn.org/ on the web. Michael Firman plays a twelve+ module Wiard system, Korg ER-1 drum-machine, Rin-gong, EDP, and effects. Nick Wilson plays 6-string electric violin, effects, loops, metal box and sequences. Together they will perform a program of composed and improvised Electronic Soundscapes consisting of Drones, Beats, Noise, Melodic Fragments and other textural elements. MEME (rhymes with theme) has existed for six years and consists of seven members (five of who are current active members): Grant Richter, Darwin Grosse, John Papiewski, Nick Wilson, Michael Firman, Andre Stordeur, and Jack McCarthy (Darwin and Jack are now both living outside of the midwest). MEME performs live on a variety of electronic instruments including various modular synthesizers and exotic controllers. MEME is devoted to the production of live, creative, electronic music. More information about the group can be found at: 1A1A,1A1A,FFFFhttp://www.mlswebworks.com/meme.html Those of you in Ann Arbor, tune your radios to 88.3 FM at Midnight on Friday, April 4th. If you're not in the Ann Arbor area you can listen to the streaming audio of the program by going to 1A1A,1A1A,FFFFhttp://www.wcbn.org/ and clicking on "listen live" (then follow the instructions). Thanks for listening! -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com --Apple-Mail-4-285741710-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 4 08:28:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h34DRAG06722; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 08:27:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 08:27:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b001c2faad$dae01540$1ccac80a@groupemma.fr> From: "Olivier Malhomme" To: Subject: echo pro Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 15:26:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AD_01C2FABE.9D312890" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Apr 2003 13:26:51.0588 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA241840:01C2FAAD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties. ------=_NextPart_000_00AD_01C2FABE.9D312890 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Another pro (or con) would be for us europeans... Does it include a wall wart ? Does it have a automatic current selector = ? None of the above ? Olivier Malhomme DI-Projet Odyss=E9e Cellule Etude Batch (02 43 41) 29 31 ------=_NextPart_000_00AD_01C2FABE.9D312890 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Another pro (or con) would be for us=20 europeans...
 
Does it include a wall wart ? Does it = have a=20 automatic current selector ? None of the above ?
 
 
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Cellule=20 Etude Batch
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------=_NextPart_000_00AD_01C2FABE.9D312890-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 4 09:22:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h34EIvW14023; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 09:18:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 09:18:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 09:18:30 -0500 From: Paulzric@aol.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: My First MP3 dot Com www.mp3.com/cphere MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3B7A00ED.3E0ABCD3.007D6382@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loopers All - Well, it's been a while and it's been quite a journey. Barring taking you through it with extensive commentary, I'd just like to say thanks to this group, Kim, and Gary. Gary sold me a Lake Butler Mitigator RFC-1 footcontroller. But what's remarkable is that he just sent it to me. We've never met nor did we know each other then. He just sent it, fully entrusting that I'd be cool and pay him (which of course happened). That was inspiring in and of itself. Kim answered my inane questions. Need I say more? So, I found looper's delight after visiting the white witch of Narnia and have been up and down and in and out of it at length. On my MP3 site, I've dedicated a loop to Andre for his groundbreaking work. So, what I've done is basically resurrect an old duo called Cphere and posted it online. Cphere was a relatively successful but brief undertaking in 1996 and 1997 in the metro Detroit area. We were aired on public radios and played in bookstores. You know the deal. This was before everyone had their own CD burners and DAW systems. We drifted for a while, and just last night we started to jam again, this time employing the EDP in full force. (That and an e-bow and a slide.) www.mp3.com/cphere So, I hope you visit my new (first) site and let me know what you think. I'm thrilled to announce this and am very excited to hear what you all think. Peace! P Priest www.mp3.com/cphere From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 4 11:44:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h34Gefx01172; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 11:40:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 11:40:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-19.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1049474417!8548 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAE72@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, info@kellarbass.com Subject: RE: [LOOP] [looper's] new toy Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 17:31:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2FAC7.95B94C60" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2FAC7.95B94C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" a few too many button-pushes required to use the required PC's directly, I'm afraid.... but what I could do, and how anyone else might do this would depend what other gear they had, is map the existing, easy-to-get-at, one-press PC's (the ones that correspond to the default internal voices and GM bass patches) to a bunch of presets in my pc1600. the pc1600 in turn would send the right PC's and other setup data on a whole bunch of channels to everything else in the rig. now I'm wondering if the fcb1010 responds to incoming PC's...... duncan. -----Original Message----- From: burnett@pobox.com [mailto:burnett@pobox.com] Sent: 03 April 2003 18:16 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com; info@kellarbass.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] [looper's] new toy I've been looking at getting one of these for about two years now to use on my Chapman Stick, for exactly the reasons you describe: not so much as an accompaniment unit (although that seems cool as it is), but for the potential of a customizable set of triggers of MIDI commands for use with my Repeater and/or the rest of the Electrix rack or the Nord (currently), and an Echoplex (eventually), essentially an FCB 1010 without taking up even more of the stage than I already do :). The Jambass looks to be an innovative concept. I'd like to hear more when you actually get a chance to test it out. best, Steve Burnett Subscape Annex (micro-gig spam - next show this Saturday, Raleigh NC) http://www.subscapeannex.com/ On Thu, 3 Apr 2003 goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > any of you seen the kellar jam-bass? (www. jambass.com) > I just got one, largely because I thought it was such a mad unexpected idea that I just had to try it. upon closer investigation, it would seem that the thing has great potential as a midi controller for those of us using guitars or basses with our looping devices. > the unit has built-in bass and percussion sounds triggered by the strips of membrane pads that are attached (by sticky stuff) to the back of y'r guitar neck. (they are positioned in two rows to coincide with the frets beneath the E and A strings of a regular-scale guitar). > it also has midi-out, and transmits a limited selection of PC's on channel one, corresponding to some GM bass sounds. > I suspect there's a way of generating other PC's but I'll have to have a play with it.... > > so it doesn't seem like a great leap to have mr kellar re-write the midi bit with (more easily) user-configurable PC's to drive one's repeater (say). at the moment, the manual suggests relocating your favourite effects patches/presets (in a pod, say, or other midi box) so that the jambass can "find" them with it's existing implementation of PC's... > > but so anyway, I haven't taken it home and tried it yet. can't wait! > > duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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a few too many button-pushes required to use the required= PC's directly, I'm afraid.... but what I could do, and how anyone else mig= ht do this would depend what other gear they had, is map the existing, easy= -to-get-at, one-press PC's (the ones that correspond to the default interna= l voices and GM bass patches) to a bunch of presets in my pc1600. the pc160= 0 in turn would send the right PC's and other setup data on a whole bunch o= f channels to everything else in the rig. now I'm wondering if the fcb1010 = responds to incoming PC's......

duncan.

-----Original Message-----
From: burnett@pobox.com [mailto:burnett@pobox.com]
Sent: 03 April 2003 18:16
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com; info@kellarbass= .com
Subject: Re: [LOOP] [looper's] new toy


I've been looking at getting one of these for about two y= ears now to use
on my Chapman Stick, for exactly the reasons you describ= e: not so much as
an accompaniment unit (although that seems cool as it is= ), but for the
potential of a customizable set of triggers of MIDI comm= ands for use with
my Repeater and/or the rest of the Electrix rack or the = Nord (currently),
and an Echoplex (eventually), essentially an FCB 1010 wi= thout taking up
even more of the stage than I already do :). The Jambass= looks to be an
innovative concept. I'd like to hear more when you actua= lly get a chance
to test it out.

best,
Steve Burnett
Subscape Annex (micro-gig spam - next show this Saturday= , Raleigh NC)
http://www.subscapeannex.com/


 On Thu, 3 Apr 2003 goddard.duncan@mtvne.com
wrote:

> any of you seen the kellar jam-bass? (www. jambass.c= om)
> I just got one, largely because I thought it was su= ch a mad unexpected idea that I just had to try it. upon closer investigati= on, it would seem that the thing has great potential as a midi controller f= or those of us using guitars or basses with our looping devices.

> the unit has built-in bass and percussion sounds tri= ggered by the strips of membrane pads that are attached (by sticky stuff) t= o the back of y'r guitar neck. (they are positioned in two rows to coincide= with the frets beneath the E and A strings of a regular-scale guitar).

> it also has midi-out, and transmits a limited select= ion of PC's on channel one, corresponding to some GM bass sounds.
> I suspect there's a way of generating other PC's bu= t I'll have to have a play with it....
>
> so it doesn't seem like a great leap to have mr kel= lar re-write the midi bit with (more easily) user-configurable PC's to driv= e one's repeater (say). at the moment, the manual suggests relocating your = favourite effects patches/presets (in a pod, say, or other midi box) so tha= t the jambass can "find" them with it's existing implementation o= f PC's...

>
> but so anyway, I haven't taken it home and tried it= yet. can't wait!
>
> duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C2FAC7.95B94C60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 4 12:02:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h34Gwo003601; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 11:58:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 11:58:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <35.36035793.2bbf13b8@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 11:58:32 EST Subject: Re: Boomerang Hookup To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_35.36035793.2bbf13b8_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_35.36035793.2bbf13b8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/3/03 10:01:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, jrcalmlikeabomb@hotmail.com writes: > Dean Exoctic Accustic/Electric, Shure sm57 > mic, boomerang, and fender acoustasonic Jr. amp. you could run a 1/4 in. to a rca out of the guitar and put it in the aux in and the shure into the main in.....or get a small mixer and use the sends.....michael --part1_35.36035793.2bbf13b8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 4/3/03= 10:01:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, jrcalmlikeabomb@hotmail.com writes:


Dean Exoctic Accustic/Electric,= Shure sm57
mic, boomerang, and fender acoustasonic Jr. amp.


you could run a 1/4 in. to a rca out of the guitar and put it in the aux in=20= and the shure into the main in.....or get a small mixer and use the sends...= ..michael --part1_35.36035793.2bbf13b8_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 4 12:22:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h34HLLA07290; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 12:21:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 12:21:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030404172045.33339.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 09:20:45 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: echo pro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00b001c2faad$dae01540$1ccac80a@groupemma.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes,i believe it does have an automatic current selector you just have to get the right cable for it.Thats another big plus! cheers l.a --- Olivier Malhomme wrote: > Another pro (or con) would be for us europeans... > > Does it include a wall wart ? Does it have a > automatic current selector ? None of the above ? > > > Olivier Malhomme > DI-Projet Odyssée > Cellule Etude Batch > (02 43 41) 29 31 > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 4 12:24:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h34HNha07751; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 12:23:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 12:23:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <130.1dc4e935.2bbf1980@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 12:23:12 EST Subject: midi footswitch To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_130.1dc4e935.2bbf1980_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_130.1dc4e935.2bbf1980_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i know nothing about this midi stuff but i ran into this and it may be of interest to some of you.....sorry if its not.....michael Click here: Advance Tube Technology - OP 128 --part1_130.1dc4e935.2bbf1980_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i know nothing about thi= s midi stuff but i ran into this and it may be of interest to some of you...= ..sorry if its not.....michael  Click here: Advance Tube Technology - OP 128 = --part1_130.1dc4e935.2bbf1980_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 4 12:59:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h34Huht11867; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 12:56:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 12:56:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.2 (F2.71; T1.001; A1.51; B2.12; Q2.03) From: "Jagatyam Jagat" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 10:56:05 -0700 X-Epoch: 1049478965 X-Sasl-enc: 76HLCD53K6dOa6oron+VEg Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations Message-Id: <20030404175605.9D0AD2EB06@www.fastmail.fm> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h34Hu8n11733 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, Rick wrote: << The other salient factor is the price.............right now for the price it would take me to buy a closed architecture Titanium 800 mghz laptop I can get a state of the art and upgradeable PC laptop. >> Worth considering is Sager ... They use desktop P4 chips in their laptops so you get more processing power but as you can imagine they run a bit hot and are also heavier. Their prices seem better or at least on par with Dell, etc. << P.S. I still don't know what sound card to get though, if there is more input on that particular question, I'd appreciate it. >> I don't know if they're available yet but the Tascam US-122 looks promising, as long as you don't need a ton of inputs . Cheers, VJ. -- Jeremy Gilbert vijnana@ownmail.net -- http://www.fastmail.fm - And now for something completely different… From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 4 14:07:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h34J3aU23627; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 14:03:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 14:03:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 11:05:33 -0800 Subject: Re: My First MP3 dot Com www.mp3.com/cphere Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3B7A00ED.3E0ABCD3.007D6382@aol.com> Message-Id: <6939BECE-66D0-11D7-A981-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: <-0D6JD.A.4vF.bbdj-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nice stuff! Mark Sottilaro On Friday, April 4, 2003, at 06:18 AM, Paulzric@aol.com wrote: > > So, I hope you visit my new (first) site and let me know what you > think. I'm thrilled to announce this and > am very excited to hear what you all think. > > Peace! P Priest > www.mp3.com/cphere > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 4 15:42:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h34Kd6504384; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 15:39:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 15:39:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bc01c2faea$03352120$c1444ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <20030404172045.33339.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Free loopalicious gig this Sunday in London! Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 21:37:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <_e43nB.A.5DB.U1ej-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings loopsters, very late notice I know, but I've only just been booked - this Sunday I'm playing on the free stage at the Barbican in London with vibist/percussionist Orphy Robinson (former Jazz Warrior, signed to Blue Note) - we're on from 6-7, before the Kip Hanrahan thing kicks off. It's free to get in to see us (it's in the foyer/bar area), and should be really good, with muchos loopage - me with two EDPs and an MPX-G2, and Orphy with an RC-20... come on down! Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk (gig details, news, MP3s etc.) www.stevelawson.net (the side-door) www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk (buy CDs) www.pmrecords.gemm.com (buy the same CDs) www.solobassnetwork.org.uk (other people making solo bass noises) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 4 15:42:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h34Kcn304367; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 15:38:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 15:38:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Laptop recommendations - soundcards Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 15:38:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1C7041B8F9E88F4BA1F23A63FC0CDACD7AE730@engin-mail1.engin.umich.edu> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Laptop recommendations - soundcards Thread-Index: AcL66hswyw0LucJXQPaCXjzBTv48LA== From: "Clark, Darcy" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h34KcHn04246 Resent-Message-ID: <0TVziD.A.nCB.80ej-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Re: sound cards for laptops Audiomidi.com is blowing out the Digigram VXPocket v2 PCMCIA cards right now for $195. This is a pretty good deal - you get SPDIF and XLR I/O. The latency on these cards isn't as low as for instance the RME stuff, but it's a heck of lot cheaper and more portable also. I have one and I have been happy so far with it. Digigram seems pretty good on the driver front also - I believe drivers are available for Windows, Mac (incl. OS X) and Linux. Darcy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 4 16:44:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h34Lhxo13099; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 16:43:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 16:43:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4063603.1049492610687.JavaMail.nobody@ernie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 13:43:30 -0800 (GMT) From: Travis Hartnett To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: flying with a guitar post 9/11 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone done this? I'm looking to carry my Steinberger on in a gig-bag and NOT check it, which was never a problem before, but I'm worried they'll think it's a weapon or something. I should probably also remove the "This Machine Kills Fascists" sticker beforehand... TH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 4 17:02:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h34M1Fm18087; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 17:01:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 17:01:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c2faf5$41be0960$64e35cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #315 for April 3, 2003 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 16:57:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2FACB.49F9ADC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2FACB.49F9ADC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each = Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in = Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #315 April 3, 2003. RECAP: On this show, I began a month-long focus on vidnaObmana, an = international ambient artist from Belgium who will play an in-studio radio concert on = the April 17th broadcast of EMUSIC and a concert at the next Soundscapes in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania on April 19. The Featured CD at Midnight was = "Act One: Echoes of Steel" on the Hypnos label from the ongoing work, "An Opera = for Four Fusion Works." The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Pictures at an Exhibition" by Tomita = on RCA Red Seal. I played the music of Vir Unis and James Johnson who will be at the next Gathering on April 12 in Philadelphia. I also played the music of Jason = Sloan who, with Matt Borghi, will appears on the same bill with vidnaObmana at = the Gate to Moonbase Alpha on April 18 also in Philadelphia. vidnaObmana = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#apr Soundscapes, Gathering, Gate to Moonbase Alpha, Vir Unis and James Johnson, Sloan Sloan and Matt Borghi = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 11:00 pm Tomita Promenade Pictures at an = Exhibition (RCA Red Seal) Tomita The Gnome Pictures at an = Exhibition (RCA Red Seal) Joint Intelligence Ed Wood Grow (Bogus Focus) Committee John Lakveet Anabasis Epikus (Groove) The 10th Planet A Trip to the Registry The Man Who Never Was = (none) of Motor Vehicles Vir Unis and Cartesian Plane 3 Perimeter (In the = Bubble Music James Johnson and Zero Music) Umlaut Tiny Pushing Circles A Sketch in the Earth = (Space for Music) Darshan Ambient Wanting The Zen Master's Diary = (none) Jason Sloan Towards Some Inward A Quiet Return (Grey = Area Light Studio Recordings) 12:00 am vidnaObmana IV Echoes of Steel = (Hypnos) vidnaObmana V Echoes of Steel = (Hypnos) vidnaObmana III Echoes of Steel = (Hypnos) vidnaObmana II Echoes of Steel = (Hypnos) vidnaObmana I Echoes of Steel = (Hypnos) 1:00 am * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on vidnaObmana. = The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Spore" on the Release label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Ages," an LP by Edgar Froese = on Virgin Records. I will also play the music of Vir Unis and James Johnson as well as Matt = Borghi and Jason Sloan who will be appearing at area concerts in April. Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, = Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in = Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click = LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2FACB.49F9ADC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs = each=20 Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and = 93.9 FM=20 in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
 
            =    =20     Show #315       =20             April 3, = 2003.
 

RECAP:
On this show, I began a month-long focus on = vidnaObmana, an=20 international
ambient artist from Belgium who will play an in-studio = radio=20 concert on the
April 17th broadcast of EMUSIC and a concert at the = next=20 Soundscapes in
Bethlehem, Pennsylvania on April 19.  The = Featured CD at=20 Midnight was "Act One:
Echoes of Steel" on the Hypnos label from the = ongoing=20 work, "An Opera for Four
Fusion Works."
 
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Pictures at an Exhibition" by = Tomita on=20 RCA
Red Seal.
 
I played the music of Vir Unis and James Johnson who will be at the = next
Gathering on April 12 in Philadelphia.  I also played the = music of=20 Jason Sloan
who, with Matt Borghi, will appears on the same bill with = vidnaObmana at the
Gate to Moonbase Alpha on April 18 also in=20 Philadelphia.
 
vidnaObmana     = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#apr
=
Soundscapes, Gathering, Gate to Moonbase Alpha,
Vir Unis and James Johnson, Sloan Sloan and Matt Borghi
           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           =20 http://wdiy.org/prog= rams/emusic/events.html
 

PLAYLIST:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
11:00=20 pm
Tomita          &= nbsp;      =20 Promenade          &nbs= p;    =20 Pictures at an Exhibition=20 (RCA
           = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;  =20 Red=20 Seal)
Tomita         &nbs= p;       =20 The=20 Gnome           &n= bsp;   =20 Pictures at an Exhibition=20 (RCA
           = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;  =20 Red Seal)
Joint Intelligence      Ed=20 Wood           &nb= sp;     =20 Grow (Bogus Focus)
  Committee
John=20 Lakveet           = =20 Anabasis           = ;     =20 Epikus (Groove)
The 10th=20 Planet         A Trip to the=20 Registry   The Man Who Never Was=20 (none)
          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;  =20 of Motor Vehicles
Vir Unis=20 and            = Cartesian=20 Plane 3        Perimeter (In the = Bubble=20 Music
  James=20 Johnson           =             &= nbsp;           =20 and Zero=20 Music)
Umlaut         &nb= sp;       =20 Tiny Pushing Circles     A Sketch in the Earth=20 (Space
          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =    =20 for Music)
Darshan = Ambient        =20 Wanting           =       =20 The Zen Master's Diary (none)
Jason=20 Sloan           &n= bsp;=20 Towards Some Inward      A Quiet Return (Grey=20 Area
           = ;            =   =20 Light           &n= bsp;       =20 Studio Recordings)
 
12:00=20 am
vidnaObmana         &n= bsp;  =20 IV            = ;          =20 Echoes of Steel=20 (Hypnos)
vidnaObmana        &n= bsp;   =20 V            =            =20 Echoes of Steel=20 (Hypnos)
vidnaObmana        &n= bsp;   =20 III           &nbs= p;         =20 Echoes of Steel=20 (Hypnos)
vidnaObmana        &n= bsp;   =20 II            = ;          =20 Echoes of Steel=20 (Hypnos)
vidnaObmana        &n= bsp;   =20 I            =            =20 Echoes of Steel (Hypnos)
 
1:00 am
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
 

NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long = focus on=20 vidnaObmana.  The
Featured CD at Midnight will be "Spore" on the = Release=20 label.
 
The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Ages," an LP by Edgar = Froese=20 on
Virgin Records.
 
I will also play the music of Vir Unis and James Johnson as well as = Matt=20 Borghi
and Jason Sloan who will be appearing at area concerts in = April.
 
Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient,  and space music show,  = Thursdays=20 at 11
pm (GMT-5:00) on  WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem = and 93.9=20 FM in Easton
and Phillipsburg.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org  and click =20 LISTEN
EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic<= /A>
To=20 subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!]=20 at
http://groups.yahoo.co= m/group/emusic-wdiy
 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2FACB.49F9ADC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 4 17:14:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h34MDaY20879; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 17:13:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 17:13:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c2faf7$a54abd00$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <4063603.1049492610687.JavaMail.nobody@ernie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: flying with a guitar post 9/11 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 17:15:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [68.160.154.181] at Fri, 4 Apr 2003 16:13:15 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Pre-9/11, I tried traveling internationally with a similar set-up, and the flight attendants were really really really freaked out. Apparently, someone told one of the attendants that I had put something suspicious in an overhead-locker. They asked me to stay seated, and took it out of the locker. They refused to let me open the case for them to show them what it was. They took it examined it, and then checked it into the hold. At the other end, somehow it came out all in one piece and none-the-worse for the experience. But... While you and I know what a bass looks like, to people who have seen a James Bond movie or tow, perhaps they think it can transform into something else. You may well want to invest in a hard-case and check it in -- and relieve yourself of the stress.... David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 4:43 PM Subject: OT: flying with a guitar post 9/11 > Anyone done this? I'm looking to carry my Steinberger on in a gig-bag and NOT check it, which was never a problem before, but I'm worried they'll think it's a weapon or something. > > I should probably also remove the "This Machine Kills Fascists" sticker beforehand... > > TH > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 4 17:27:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h34MNtA22423; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 17:23:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 17:23:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mpc@mail.proptronix.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4063603.1049492610687.JavaMail.nobody@ernie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> References: <4063603.1049492610687.JavaMail.nobody@ernie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 00:23:28 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mpc Subject: Re: OT: flying with a guitar post 9/11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Anyone done this? I'm looking to carry my Steinberger on in a >gig-bag and NOT check it, which was never a problem before, but I'm >worried they'll think it's a weapon or something. > >I should probably also remove the "This Machine Kills Fascists" >sticker beforehand... > >TH I travel with all sorts of music equipment as carry on and never have had any problems besides some extra sniffing at security (but this happens many times anyway). Usually I have a Motormix and my Ashboryr rubber stringed bass which are two peculiar items to airport peeple. I just say I am a musician and they usually try to strike up a dorky conversation about music. Oh, and don't remove the sticker. I feel it should stay. M From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 4 17:47:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h34MiY725006; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 17:44:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 17:44:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 Message-ID: <3E8E0B0B.8030804@ernieball.com> Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 14:45:31 -0800 From: Hans Lindauer Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [LOOPSTOCK] Revised Schedule Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Loopers, Due to a couple of very unfortunate last-minute cancellations, we have a new schedule for Loopstock 2003 (with lots more breathing room): 11:00-11:30 - Check-In & Set-Up & Looper's Swap Meet 11:30-12:15 - Clinic: Tinker-Toys for Loopists: The Looper Construction Kit (Dennis Leas) 12:30-1:15 - Clinic: Reviving the JamMan; Concepts and Techniques in Loop-Based Composition, Improvisation, and Collaboration (Max Valentino) 1:30-2:15 - Clinic: Getting the Most out of your Repeater (Bill Walker) 2:30-3:15 - Clinic: Concepts of Time Perception and Synchronization and other Self Teaching Concepts for Live Looping (Rick Walker) 3:30-4:00 - Armatronix 4:15-4:45 - Stanitarium 5:00-5:30 - Steven Rice 5:30-6:30 - Dinner Break / EDP Tutorial Video Preview 6:30-6:45 - Webmaster of the Year Award Presentation 6:45-7:15- Mark Hamburg 7:30-8:00 - John Whooley 8:15-8:45 - Rick Walker 9:00-9:30 - Bill Walker 9:45-10:15 - Max Valentino 10:30-11:00 - Jon Wagner Hopefully this change won't cause anybody too much heartache. Don't forget to bring an item or two for the Looper's Swap Meet. PLEASE BRING A FEW DOLLARS TO BUY A CD FROM THE PERFORMERS. For directions and info, please visit http://www.armatronix.com See you there! -Hans Lindauer P.S. Try to CARPOOL if possible! If you have space in your vehicle, post to Looper's Delight, make a friend, and save some gas. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 4 18:22:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h34NJ1s29855; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 18:19:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 18:19:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 Message-ID: <3E8E133A.A7908F16@ernieball.com> Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 15:20:26 -0800 From: Hans Lindauer Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Armatronix Subject: Armatronix at Loopstock 2003 this Saturday 04/05/03 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Armatronix Fans, I'm pleased to announce that Armatronix will be playing this Saturday, April 5th at Chumash Auditorium, Cal Poly as part of the 2nd annual Loopstock festival (organized by Yours Truly). Here's the schedule for the festival, which will begin with demonstrations of looping techniques and technology and end with performances by some of the world's foremost loopers: 11:00-11:30 - Check-In & Set-Up & Looper's Swap Meet 11:30-12:15 - Clinic: Tinker-Toys for Loopists: The Looper Construction Kit (Dennis Leas) 12:30-1:15 - Clinic: Reviving the JamMan; Concepts and Techniques in Loop-Based Composition, Improvisation, and Collaboration (Max Valentino) 1:30-2:15 - Clinic: Getting the Most out of your Repeater (Bill Walker) 2:30-3:15 - Clinic: Concepts of Time Perception and Synchronization and other Self Teaching Concepts for Live Looping (Rick Walker) 3:30-4:00 - Armatronix 4:15-4:45 - Stanitarium 5:00-5:30 - Steven Rice 5:30-6:30 - Dinner Break / EDP Tutorial Video Preview 6:30-6:45 - Looping Webmaster of the Year Award Presentation 6:45-7:15- Mark Hamburg 7:30-8:00 - John Whooley 8:15-8:45 - Rick Walker 9:00-9:30 - Bill Walker 9:45-10:15 - Max Valentino 10:30-11:00 - Jon Wagner Info and directions can be found at http://www.armatronix.com Hope to see you there, -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 4 21:23:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h352KM619562; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 21:20:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 21:20:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [205.187.184.48] X-Original-From: chrismandel@juno.com Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 02:18:57 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:Recording software for Yellowdog Linux X-Mailer: WebMail Version 1.0 From: chrismandel@juno.com Message-Id: <20030404.211903.8011.367736@webmail6.nyc.untd.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got a very useful book about music applications for linux: Linux Music and Sound by Dave Phillips. It covers a wide range of software and comes with a CD that contains most of the software the book covers. Also, theres a linux looper based on the echoplex called superlooper. Heres a spot about realtime Linux OS's. http://www.linuxdj.com/audio/lad/resourceslatency.php3 You may also like to know that theres a linux version of MAX called JMAX. I've been thinking about building a linux machine for music so i've been researching a bit, seems like theres more out there than most people presume. -Chris Mandel ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 4 22:15:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h353E5p25988; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 22:14:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 22:14:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003201c2fb21$8aad4920$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <3E8E0B0B.8030804@ernieball.com> Subject: Re: [LOOPSTOCK] Revised Schedule Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 21:14:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <3lmT8.A.rVG.rnkj-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre LaFosse bailed? Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans Lindauer" To: Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 4:45 PM Subject: [LOOPSTOCK] Revised Schedule > Dear Loopers, > > Due to a couple of very unfortunate last-minute cancellations, we have a > new schedule for Loopstock 2003 (with lots more breathing room): > > 11:00-11:30 - Check-In & Set-Up & Looper's Swap Meet > 11:30-12:15 - Clinic: Tinker-Toys for Loopists: The Looper Construction > Kit (Dennis Leas) > 12:30-1:15 - Clinic: Reviving the JamMan; Concepts and Techniques in > Loop-Based Composition, Improvisation, and Collaboration (Max Valentino) > 1:30-2:15 - Clinic: Getting the Most out of your Repeater (Bill Walker) > 2:30-3:15 - Clinic: Concepts of Time Perception and Synchronization and > other Self Teaching Concepts for Live Looping (Rick Walker) > 3:30-4:00 - Armatronix > 4:15-4:45 - Stanitarium > 5:00-5:30 - Steven Rice > 5:30-6:30 - Dinner Break / EDP Tutorial Video Preview > 6:30-6:45 - Webmaster of the Year Award Presentation > 6:45-7:15- Mark Hamburg > 7:30-8:00 - John Whooley > 8:15-8:45 - Rick Walker > 9:00-9:30 - Bill Walker > 9:45-10:15 - Max Valentino > 10:30-11:00 - Jon Wagner > > Hopefully this change won't cause anybody too much heartache. > > Don't forget to bring an item or two for the Looper's Swap Meet. > > PLEASE BRING A FEW DOLLARS TO BUY A CD FROM THE PERFORMERS. > > For directions and info, please visit http://www.armatronix.com > > See you there! > > > -Hans Lindauer > > > P.S. Try to CARPOOL if possible! If you have space in your vehicle, > post to Looper's Delight, make a friend, and save some gas. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 4 22:35:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h353Yni27739; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 22:34:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 22:34:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030404193206.04714008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 19:34:29 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: [LOOPSTOCK] Revised Schedule In-Reply-To: <003201c2fb21$8aad4920$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> References: <3E8E0B0B.8030804@ernieball.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:14 PM 4/4/2003, you wrote: >Andre LaFosse bailed? I heard he was in a Mexican jail after some sort of incident in Cabo, but details were a little sketchy. Has anybody else heard anything? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 4 22:37:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h353aa127983; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 22:36:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 22:36:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <16c.1cbf2cdd.2bbfa934@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 22:36:20 EST Subject: Re: OT: flying with a guitar post 9/11 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: <27kFT.A.70G.38kj-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com travis.....i had no problem taking my guitar in hardshell case on an airplane several times after 9-11.....i also had a small canvis bag with about 15 jacks (various) and several footpedals and weirdness that they x-rayed and let through no problemo.....ymmv.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 4 22:39:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h353cXD28230; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 22:38:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 22:38:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004601c2fb24$fba9d140$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <3E8E0B0B.8030804@ernieball.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030404193206.04714008@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: [LOOPSTOCK] Revised Schedule Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 21:39:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Did he drink too many of those Van Hagar Cabo Wabo thingies? Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [LOOPSTOCK] Revised Schedule > At 07:14 PM 4/4/2003, you wrote: > >Andre LaFosse bailed? > > I heard he was in a Mexican jail after some sort of incident in Cabo, but > details were a little sketchy. Has anybody else heard anything? > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 4 22:41:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h353ed528497; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 22:40:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 22:40:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <95.2c1acca6.2bbfaa1b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 22:40:11 EST Subject: Re: [LOOPSTOCK] Revised Schedule To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com BREAK MANY LEGS.....i cry that i can not come.....ENJOY- ENJOY-ENJOY.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 5 01:44:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h356eS014714; Sat, 5 Apr 2003 01:40:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 01:40:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: flying with a guitar post 9/11 References: <16c.1cbf2cdd.2bbfa934@aol.com> Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed From: ernesto schnack Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 01:39:56 -0500 In-Reply-To: <16c.1cbf2cdd.2bbfa934@aol.com> User-Agent: Opera7.03/Win32 M2 build 2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For those of you with positive experiences: what airlines do you usually travel on? I have heard a lot of nightmare stories from AA. Ernesto On Fri, 4 Apr 2003 22:36:20 EST, wrote: > travis.....i had no problem taking my guitar in hardshell case on an > airplane several times after 9-11.....i also had a small canvis bag with > about 15 jacks (various) and several footpedals and weirdness that they > x-rayed and let through no problemo.....ymmv.....michael > > > -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 5 01:44:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h356fTO14912; Sat, 5 Apr 2003 01:41:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 01:41:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004301c2fb3e$5aa08a90$ddc686d9@SP33DST3R> Reply-To: "Mike Edwards" From: "Mike Edwards" To: References: <20030404.211903.8011.367736@webmail6.nyc.untd.com> Subject: Re: Re:Recording software for Yellowdog Linux Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 07:41:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not forgetting the superb modular midi environment KeyKit ! http://www.nosuch.com/keykit/ Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 3:18 AM Subject: Re:Recording software for Yellowdog Linux > I've got a very useful book about music applications for linux: Linux Music and Sound by Dave Phillips. It covers a wide range of software and comes with a CD that contains most of the software the book covers. > Also, theres a linux looper based on the echoplex called superlooper. > Heres a spot about realtime Linux OS's. http://www.linuxdj.com/audio/lad/resourceslatency.php3 > You may also like to know that theres a linux version of MAX called JMAX. I've been thinking about building a linux machine for music so i've been researching a bit, seems like theres more out there than most people presume. > -Chris Mandel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 5 01:56:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h356r5V16492; Sat, 5 Apr 2003 01:53:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 01:53:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002801c2fb3f$ba609b40$6161f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200304050644.h356iH415446@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: [LOOPSTOCK] Revised Schedule Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 22:51:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I for one, am really bummed to not be able to see Andre's presentation...............he still, for my money, wrings the most out of the EDP of anyone I"ve seen yet............... ..............wassup, andre? ............and no part two of Loop History by Dr. Zvonar?............ ........isn't this sign two and three of the LOOP APOCALYPSE? ..........sign four being Jammans with full stereo and REPEATERS with no midi problems raining out of the sky I'll be there, damn it!!! Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 5 02:04:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3571PU18541; Sat, 5 Apr 2003 02:01:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 02:01:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c2fb41$61a5d860$2f9da044@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <200304050644.h356iH415446@hemlock.violacea.com> <002801c2fb3f$ba609b40$6161f93f@global> Subject: Re: [LOOPSTOCK] Revised Schedule Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 02:02:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [68.160.157.47] at Sat, 5 Apr 2003 01:01:05 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh no -- not another loop apocalypse!!! Didn't this happened before?? Oh yes, of course... :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [LOOPSTOCK] Revised Schedule > I for one, am really bummed to not be able to see Andre's > presentation...............he still, for my money, wrings the most > out of the EDP of anyone I"ve seen yet............... > > ..............wassup, andre? > > > ............and no part two of Loop History by Dr. Zvonar?............ > > > ........isn't this sign two and three of the LOOP APOCALYPSE? > > > ..........sign four being Jammans with full stereo and REPEATERS with no > midi problems raining out of the sky > > > I'll be there, damn it!!! > > Rick Walker > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 5 03:29:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h358Osn26623; Sat, 5 Apr 2003 03:24:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 03:24:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030405082432.63250.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 00:24:32 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: [LOOPSTOCK] Revised Schedule To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030404193206.04714008@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I heard he got transfered to the penitentiary down in louisiana for glitching agression. L.a --- Kim Flint wrote: > At 07:14 PM 4/4/2003, you wrote: > >Andre LaFosse bailed? > > I heard he was in a Mexican jail after some sort of > incident in Cabo, but > details were a little sketchy. Has anybody else > heard anything? > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > http://www.loopers-delight.com > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 5 03:56:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h358qTp29134; Sat, 5 Apr 2003 03:52:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 03:52:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030405015724.008279b0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 01:57:24 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: OT: flying with a guitar post 9/11 In-Reply-To: <4063603.1049492610687.JavaMail.nobody@ernie.psp.pas.earthl ink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <-OVI_C.A.oGH.Alpj-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Travis, I've recently flown twice to Cali with my Steiny, and had no problems. I flew on United the first time, and Fronteer the second. -Best of luck... Smiles, Cara At 01:43 PM 4/4/03 -0800, you wrote: >Anyone done this? I'm looking to carry my Steinberger on in a gig-bag and NOT check it, which was never a problem before, but I'm worried they'll think it's a weapon or something. > >I should probably also remove the "This Machine Kills Fascists" sticker beforehand... > >TH > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 5 05:18:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h35AHZW05076; Sat, 5 Apr 2003 05:17:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 05:17:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005901c2fb5c$8965ac20$0100a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <3E8E0B0B.8030804@ernieball.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030404193206.04714008@loopers-delight.com> <004601c2fb24$fba9d140$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Subject: Re: [LOOPSTOCK] Revised Schedule Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 11:17:11 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I thought those didn't have any alcohol in 'em! Or perhaps that's changed since Sammy split? Is Eddie drinking again? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Cox" To: Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 04:39:AM Subject: Re: [LOOPSTOCK] Revised Schedule > Did he drink too many of those Van Hagar Cabo Wabo thingies? > > Doug > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kim Flint" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 9:34 PM > Subject: Re: [LOOPSTOCK] Revised Schedule > > > > At 07:14 PM 4/4/2003, you wrote: > > >Andre LaFosse bailed? > > > > I heard he was in a Mexican jail after some sort of incident in Cabo, but > > details were a little sketchy. Has anybody else heard anything? > > > > kim > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 5 06:24:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h35BK4A09947; Sat, 5 Apr 2003 06:20:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 06:20:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 11:39:18 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Re: Free loopalicious gig this Sunday in London! In-Reply-To: <00bc01c2faea$03352120$c1444ed5@bigboy> References: <20030404172045.33339.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: <080ed0322110543PCOW053M@blueyonder.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great, its good to hear about looping gigs in the UK. Sorry I can't make it, keep letting us know. Ian. At 21:37 04/04/03 , you wrote: >Greetings loopsters, > >very late notice I know, but I've only just been booked - this Sunday I'm >playing on the free stage at the Barbican in London with >vibist/percussionist Orphy Robinson (former Jazz Warrior, signed to Blue >Note) - we're on from 6-7, before the Kip Hanrahan thing kicks off. It's >free to get in to see us (it's in the foyer/bar area), and should be really >good, with muchos loopage - me with two EDPs and an MPX-G2, and Orphy with >an RC-20... > >come on down! > >Steve >www.steve-lawson.co.uk (gig details, news, MP3s etc.) >www.stevelawson.net (the side-door) >www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk (buy CDs) >www.pmrecords.gemm.com (buy the same CDs) >www.solobassnetwork.org.uk (other people making solo bass noises) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 5 08:01:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h35Cvbe14980; Sat, 5 Apr 2003 07:57:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 07:57:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030405125717.76158.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 04:57:17 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: OT: flying with a guitar post 9/11 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > On Fri, 4 Apr 2003 22:36:20 EST, > wrote: > > > travis.....i had no problem taking my guitar in > hardshell case on an > > airplane several times after 9-11..... Yeah, but your Carvin *looks* like a guitar, Michael. Travis plays a Steinberger... :-) -t- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 5 09:35:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h35EVuT26328; Sat, 5 Apr 2003 09:31:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 09:31:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003d01c2fb7f$eff7ad80$39bb590c@u73x0> From: "Cino" To: References: <3E8E0B0B.8030804@ernieball.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030404193206.04714008@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: [LOOPSTOCK] Revised Schedule Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 09:30:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <8DPvXB.A.BbG.Ijuj-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > At 07:14 PM 4/4/2003, you wrote: > >Andre LaFosse bailed? Kim sez: > I heard he was in a Mexican jail after some sort of > incident in Cabo, but details were a little sketchy. > Has anybody else heard anything? There was a vague rumor going around among the looperati that he and Mark were engaged in some sort of gentleman's duel. Apparently Andre was trying to turn the tables after Mark called him a "son of a glitch." However, this could all be apocryphal. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 5 10:47:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h35FkP632605; Sat, 5 Apr 2003 10:46:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 10:46:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E8EFA32.90419E4C@Verizon.net> Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 10:45:54 -0500 From: Dan Ash X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boomerang Hookup References: <200304041907.h34J7FX23983@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You should be pretty much able to plug-and-play. The Fender Acoustasonic amp appears to have an effects loop, and with channels for the mic and an instrument, you can simply put the unit in the loop of the amp. If it's a stereo loop you may want to use a y-cord because I'm pretty sure the Boomerang is mono. You may find the setup a bit limiting after a while, in which case you might consider a mixer or something like jg's 'Magic Box' as the next step. Many loopers on this list have very elaborate or even multiple looping configurations because the only limiting factor is your imagination - and having the cash. Dan Ash From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 5 12:07:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h35H3YE08563; Sat, 5 Apr 2003 12:03:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 12:03:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <35.360db8f4.2bc06643@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 12:02:59 EST Subject: Re: OT: flying with a guitar post 9/11 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_35.360db8f4.2bc06643_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_35.360db8f4.2bc06643_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/5/03 1:40:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, schnack@mailbolt.com writes: > what airlines do you usually > travel on? U.S. AIR --part1_35.360db8f4.2bc06643_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 4/5/03= 1:40:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, schnack@mailbolt.com writes:


what airlines do you usually travel on? 


U.S. AIR --part1_35.360db8f4.2bc06643_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 5 13:12:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h35IArK15147; Sat, 5 Apr 2003 13:10:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 13:10:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004901c2fb9e$dc7a43c0$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Spacenoiz + still coiled Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 13:12:03 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <3OnXf.A.3rD.Xwxj-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 5 14:39:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h35JdFc24022; Sat, 5 Apr 2003 14:39:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 14:39:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.119.194.60] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Found Objects tonight Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 11:38:42 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2003 19:38:44.0062 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7D32FE0:01C2FBAA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hans said: >I'm pleased to announce that Armatronix will be playing this Saturday, >April 5th at Chumash Auditorium, Cal Poly as part of the 2nd annual >Loopstock festival (organized by Yours Truly). Oh yeah, and in case any of you would like to go to an event tonight, but fear all neighborhoods outside of Oakland, California, my Found Objects night is also tonight. Bring an object from home for these guys to make music with: Gino Robair David Kendall Andre Custodio Stephen Ruiz/Zygote April 5, 8pm $6-10 21 Grand Gallery 449B 23rd St @ Broadway, Oakland Locals can see nice write-ups on this event in the East Bay Express or San Francisco Bay Guardian. Matt Davignon _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 5 14:39:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h35Jd6Z24012; Sat, 5 Apr 2003 14:39:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 14:39:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.119.194.60] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Found Objects tonight Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 11:38:43 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2003 19:38:44.0210 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7E9C520:01C2FBAA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hans said: >I'm pleased to announce that Armatronix will be playing this Saturday, >April 5th at Chumash Auditorium, Cal Poly as part of the 2nd annual >Loopstock festival (organized by Yours Truly). Oh yeah, and in case any of you would like to go to an event tonight, but fear all neighborhoods outside of Oakland, California, my Found Objects night is also tonight. Bring an object from home for these guys to make music with: Gino Robair David Kendall Andre Custodio Stephen Ruiz/Zygote April 5, 8pm $6-10 21 Grand Gallery 449B 23rd St @ Broadway, Oakland Locals can see nice write-ups on this event in the East Bay Express or San Francisco Bay Guardian. Matt Davignon _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 5 16:04:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h35L0mi00366; Sat, 5 Apr 2003 16:00:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 16:00:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 16:00:23 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: flying with a guitar post 9/11 To: Travis Hartnett , loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003a01c2fbb6$e0d573a0$1912be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <4063603.1049492610687.JavaMail.nobody@ernie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: <3R2fXC.A.dF.mP0j-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Travis- > Anyone done this? I'm looking to carry my Steinberger on in a gig-bag and NOT check it, which was never a problem before, but I'm worried they'll think it's a weapon or something. I flew to mexico in november, two months post 9-11. Carried my steinberger with me on board. They ran it thru the x-ray machine almost too quick for my taste. Bottom line: no problem. Your mileage may vary ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 5 18:05:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h35N1YO11893; Sat, 5 Apr 2003 18:01:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 18:01:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 15:02:54 -0800 Subject: Where is the best deal on a new EDP Plus? From: Ernie Mansfield To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Where is the best deal on a new EDP Plus? Months ago I found a mail-order place with the best deal, but I have lost that info? Can anyone help? Thanks! (I already know of Musician's Friend and Sweetwater, but they are often not the cheapest) -- Ernie Mansfield Mansfield Music -- http://www.mansfieldmusic.com ernie@mansfieldmusic.com -- Hear my music at: http://www.mp3.com/erniemansfield From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 5 18:09:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h35N5xu12436; Sat, 5 Apr 2003 18:05:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 18:05:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 15:05:42 -0800 Subject: Re: Where is the best deal on a new EDP Plus? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <2037F43C-67BB-11D7-BA8A-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: <9KI3lC.A.FCD.NF2j-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Check out alto music (www.altomusic.com) they're often the best deal. They didn't beat musiciansfriend.com by much, but they did beat them. The margins on such things usually are fairly thin so you'll probably not find too much variation. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, April 5, 2003, at 03:02 PM, Ernie Mansfield wrote: > Where is the best deal on a new EDP Plus? Months ago I found a > mail-order > place with the best deal, but I have lost that info? Can anyone help? > Thanks! (I already know of Musician's Friend and Sweetwater, but they > are > often not the cheapest) > -- > Ernie Mansfield > Mansfield Music > -- > http://www.mansfieldmusic.com > ernie@mansfieldmusic.com > -- > Hear my music at: > http://www.mp3.com/erniemansfield > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 5 18:30:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h35NTjf14020; Sat, 5 Apr 2003 18:29:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 18:29:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030405232923.88560.qmail@web21504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 15:29:23 -0800 (PST) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: Where is the best deal on a new EDP Plus? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <2037F43C-67BB-11D7-BA8A-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can also get the blonde EDP from Alto with loop 3, maxed memory and foot control for about $700 --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Check out alto music (www.altomusic.com) they're > often the best deal. > They didn't beat musiciansfriend.com by much, but > they did beat them. > The margins on such things usually are fairly thin > so you'll probably > not find too much variation. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Saturday, April 5, 2003, at 03:02 PM, Ernie > Mansfield wrote: > > > Where is the best deal on a new EDP Plus? Months > ago I found a > > mail-order > > place with the best deal, but I have lost that > info? Can anyone help? > > Thanks! (I already know of Musician's Friend and > Sweetwater, but they > > are > > often not the cheapest) > > -- > > Ernie Mansfield > > Mansfield Music > > -- > > http://www.mansfieldmusic.com > > ernie@mansfieldmusic.com > > -- > > Hear my music at: > > http://www.mp3.com/erniemansfield > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 5 20:53:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h361qVM26391; Sat, 5 Apr 2003 20:52:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 20:52:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030405185705.007a27a0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 18:57:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: [LOOPSTOCK] Revised Schedule In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030404193206.04714008@loopers-delight.com> References: <003201c2fb21$8aad4920$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> <3E8E0B0B.8030804@ernieball.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <9ESj2D.A.AcG.9g4j-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com NO, I've captured him!!!, -HE'S MINE -ALL MINE!!! ha ha ha ha ha ha *most evil laughter trails off in a very reverberated setting* lol! Smiles, Cara At 07:34 PM 4/4/03 -0800, you wrote: >At 07:14 PM 4/4/2003, you wrote: >>Andre LaFosse bailed? > >I heard he was in a Mexican jail after some sort of incident in Cabo, but >details were a little sketchy. Has anybody else heard anything? > >kim > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 5 23:33:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h364PPB05809; Sat, 5 Apr 2003 23:25:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 23:25:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E8FA898.281CA255@erols.com> Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 23:10:01 -0500 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Where is the best deal on a new EDP Plus? References: <2037F43C-67BB-11D7-BA8A-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Check out alto music (www.altomusic.com) they're often the best deal. > They didn't beat musiciansfriend.com by much, but they did beat them. > The margins on such things usually are fairly thin so you'll probably > not find too much variation. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Saturday, April 5, 2003, at 03:02 PM, Ernie Mansfield wrote: > > > Where is the best deal on a new EDP Plus? Months ago I found a > > mail-order > > place with the best deal, but I have lost that info? Can anyone help? > > Thanks! (I already know of Musician's Friend and Sweetwater, but they > > are > > often not the cheapest) > > -- > > Ernie Mansfield > > Mansfield Music > > -- > > http://www.mansfieldmusic.com > > ernie@mansfieldmusic.com > > -- > > Hear my music at: > > http://www.mp3.com/erniemansfield > > Along this topic, I noticed that musiciansfriend is selling the black EDP but they are selling the tan footcontroller. Would there be any difference between the blonde footcontroller and the black footcontroller? Also would there be a place that is selling the black footcontroller? Thanks, John From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 6 06:46:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h36AisH09248; Sun, 6 Apr 2003 06:44:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 06:44:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002c01c2fc29$83916dc0$0100a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <003201c2fb21$8aad4920$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> <3E8E0B0B.8030804@ernieball.com> <3.0.5.32.20030405185705.007a27a0@pop.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [LOOPSTOCK] Revised Schedule Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 11:44:28 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <0JH9p.A._PC.aUAk-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Shame on you! There was no loop in that laughter! :) > NO, I've captured him!!!, -HE'S MINE -ALL MINE!!! ha ha ha ha ha ha > *most evil laughter trails off in a very reverberated setting* lol! > > Smiles, > > Cara > > At 07:34 PM 4/4/03 -0800, you wrote: > >At 07:14 PM 4/4/2003, you wrote: > >>Andre LaFosse bailed? > > > >I heard he was in a Mexican jail after some sort of incident in Cabo, but > >details were a little sketchy. Has anybody else heard anything? > > > >kim > > > > > >______________________________________________________________________ > >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 6 09:44:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h36Df5t28129; Sun, 6 Apr 2003 09:41:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 09:41:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 09:12:45 -0400 From: Sempai Subject: Re: A treat for East Coast Loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006c01c2fc41$d3d83170$75772544@user0jd9dje1rf> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200304031641.h33GfIC08601@hemlock.violacea.com> <001b01c2fa1c$aaea3820$6662f93f@global> Resent-Message-ID: <2_Pa0.A.52G.f5Ck-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Any website where samples of her work can be heard? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 4:07 PM Subject: A treat for East Coast Loopers > Hey East Coast loopers, > > Since you can't make the fabulous LOOPTOCK this coming weekend > (LOOPSTOCK EAST next year?) > give yourself a consolation treat and go see the fabulous > looper/vocalist/songwriter > AMY X NEUBURG if you have the chance. > > Amy was the absolute hands down 'most talked about' loopist at last summer's > big Y2K2 LOOPFEST (this biggest loopfest so far with over 50 artists > performing). > Her songs are thought-provoking, funny and dark...........I love her work. > Her blend of technology and performance are seamless and she is a very > kinetic performer. > > Check it out: > > yours, Rick Walker > > SATURDAY APRIL 12 > > 8:30 PM > > AMY X NEUBURG performs her Avant-Cabaret solo works for voice, > > electronics and percussion > > > > ROULETTE > > 228 West Broadway (in Tribeca), New York > > Reservations/info: (212) 219-8242 > > $10, free to Roulette members > > > > A brief descriptive thingy: > > Performer/composer/lyricist Amy X Neuburg creates high-technology > > music that is unusually intimate in nature. In performance she > > accompanies her diversely-influenced songs with electronic percussion > > and various voice processors, to build up thick layers of vocal > > harmonies and rhythms. An established figure in the Bay Area new > > music scene, Amy has also recorded and toured internationally with > > Robert Ashley's operas, performed for nine years with her > > avant-cabaret band Amy X Neuburg & Men, and presented her solo works > > at clubs, theatres, schools and festivals throughout the West. This > > will be her first solo performance in New York. > > > > Here is a groovy quote: > > "On the big stage of the Palace of Fine Arts Theater she was nothing > > less than brilliant. Her stage persona transcended the gadgetry of > > loop and sample, taking flight when she stepped away from the > > flashing, glowing electronics and took the stage, coming closer to > > the audience... Neuburg has an artistry and potential that are truly > > compelling and may prove to be bigger than the local fishbowl can > > contain. " -- Thomas Goss, San Francisco Classical Voice, March 2003 > > > > -- > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 6 13:37:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h36HX4726764; Sun, 6 Apr 2003 13:33:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 13:33:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.14.93.11] X-Originating-Email: [armyofpie@hotmail.com] From: "Will Wright" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: why a laptop at all? Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 10:32:32 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2003 17:32:33.0154 (UTC) FILETIME=[81A00E20:01C2FC62] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think we would need monkeys for that, or pirates, pirates are the new monkeys you know! Will >From: mark >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: why a laptop at all? >Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 16:20:53 -0800 > >Perhaps with your primitive laptop power and my crazy blinking light >devices we could join forces and RULE THE WORLD. MWAA HAAAA HAAAAAA! > >Mark Sottilaro > >On Thursday, April 3, 2003, at 03:54 PM, Will Wright wrote: > >>A scenario off the top of my head. >> >>Someone does not have a bunch of cool blinking boxes with knobs and >>sliders, or perhaps the space for them, but they have a nice laptop they >>use for work or something. A switchable hard drive later and they have >>everything they need (or at least something they can work with). Maybe not >>better or worse than lovely lovely hardware, but still > valid. >> >>Unfortunatly I have neither the blinky things or the good laptop, but I do >>have a whole bunch of really bad laptops. I'm sort of working towards >>having 3 or 4 cheap laptops each doing something really primitive. >> >>Will Wright >> > _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 6 14:03:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h36I0O831094; Sun, 6 Apr 2003 14:00:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 14:00:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 13:59:47 -0400 From: Sempai Subject: Philly Shows? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006501c2fc66$5109b690$75772544@user0jd9dje1rf> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_oQ2tumNbX5C3ONu6UovXjA)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_oQ2tumNbX5C3ONu6UovXjA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Anyone know any good shows happening in Philadelphia in the 1st two weeks of May? I'm going to be traveling on business and thought I might try to find a good show or two while I'm out there. I'll be in Malvern/King of Prussia area. Sempai ======================================================== The more complex the mind, the more the need for the simplicity of play. ======================================================== --Boundary_(ID_oQ2tumNbX5C3ONu6UovXjA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Anyone know any good shows happening in Philadelphia
in the 1st two weeks of May?  I'm going to be traveling on business
and thought I might try to find a good show or two while I'm out there.
I'll be in Malvern/King of Prussia area.
 
Sempai
 
 

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--Boundary_(ID_oQ2tumNbX5C3ONu6UovXjA)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 6 19:29:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h36NKtC07980; Sun, 6 Apr 2003 19:20:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 19:20:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003b01c2fc93$1743b320$0100a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <20030404172045.33339.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com> <00bc01c2faea$03352120$c1444ed5@bigboy> Subject: Re: Free loopalicious gig this Sunday in London! Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 00:20:13 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Steve, My wife and I were going to come up tonight and at the last minute of course her mum had an emergency. I hope the gig went well! I was wondering this week about the Critical Mass folks - Last year at this time I asked after it and was told the show was every other year. Perhaps they're not going to do it this year either! If I hear anything I'll let you know. S. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 6 20:55:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h370sHE20214; Sun, 6 Apr 2003 20:54:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 20:54:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01fd01c2fc97$8c1d8000$2163f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT" Subject: OT: Babatunde Olatunji passes on Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 16:52:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: <57HnzC.A.z6E.mwMk-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just recieved the very sad news that the wonderful Nigerian drummer and Emissary for Peace and Community, Babatunde Olatunji passed on after a long series of health crises. Baba was an amazing spirit!!! He put desire to unify people above any other thing in his work and was an Ambassador for World Peace and multi-cultural diversity and love. He was as much a spiritual father to me as a drumming father, even though I toured and recorded with him for a while and first was attracted to him because of his drumming skills. He was also the first adult male who ever approved of me and my musical choice in life and gave me the courage and support to become a true artist. He nurtured me and he loved me like a son and,indeed, went on to become my official godfather. He called me 'captain'. Why, I'll never be sure but it felt good to me. One day, many years ago, he called Arthur Hull (the famous community drum circle facilitator) and I together for a breakfast business meeting and asked if I would become his official world touring manager in a dual role as a performing member of his ensemble. I was flattered beyond belief but felt that I really wanted to be an artist and humbly turned him down. He was very gracious and supportive of me then, even though it didn't serve his purposes to have me turn him down. At that meeting, he was reading a newspaper headline about the then president, George Bush, Sr. I made some scathing remark about how much I hated George Bush's politics. Baba scolded me and said, "No, no, captain, I pray for the president every single day when I shower". I was aghast........."But Baba, He is doing horrible things to people around the world in the name of our country". And he replied............"He is the president of this country and people all over the world look to him for his views, so every single day I pray that he does the right thing...........I pray that he makes the most compassionate and selfless decisions that will affect the people of this country and the world. I pray that he can become a great leader." His response completely changed me. Before this point, I had feared and resented and hated the people in power who abuse their power. I suddenly realized that you praying for them to do the right things represented a paradigm shift in the way I looked at politics and change. Baba showed me that the way you comport yourself in your life has everything to do with the ability of things to change for the positive. If what the Dalai Lama says is true (and I believe it is), that there is "no us and then, but that there is only US", then it means our work is cut out for us in this lifetime for, as Michael Franti of Spearhead says, "Creating Peace amongst human beings on this planet will take many generations to accomplish.............consequently we need to dedicate our selves to a lifetime of work in an attempt to create the world that some day, long after we are gone, will make the world a better place...............the place that we all wish was here today." God bless you Baba...................Thank you for everything, old man......I love you. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 6 21:09:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3718oK23179; Sun, 6 Apr 2003 21:08:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 21:08:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003901c2fca2$6ae21c60$eba45e82@audiows> From: "David Auker" To: References: <01fd01c2fc97$8c1d8000$2163f93f@global> Subject: Re: Babatunde Olatunji passes on Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 18:10:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...touching, informative and inspirational, Rick. Thanks for sharing... > I just recieved the very sad news that the wonderful > Nigerian drummer and Emissary for Peace and Community, > Babatunde Olatunji passed on after a long series of health > crises. > > Baba was an amazing spirit!!! (...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 7 01:53:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h375nQh27987; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 01:49:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 01:49:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030406224049.041e9ec0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 22:49:07 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Where is the best deal on a new EDP Plus? In-Reply-To: <3E8FA898.281CA255@erols.com> References: <2037F43C-67BB-11D7-BA8A-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:10 PM 4/5/2003, John Mazzarella wrote: >Along this topic, I noticed that musiciansfriend is selling the black EDP >but they are selling the tan footcontroller. Would there be any difference >between the blonde footcontroller and the black footcontroller? there would be no difference other than the color. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 7 05:35:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h379VqO18695; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 05:31:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 05:31:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030407033640.00ac1e80@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 03:36:40 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Where is the best deal on a new EDP Plus? In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030406224049.041e9ec0@loopers-delight.com> References: <3E8FA898.281CA255@erols.com> <2037F43C-67BB-11D7-BA8A-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -But Kim!, you didn't tell them about the special button presses that... -Oh, sorry, never mind... oops!... lol! Smiles, Cara At 10:49 PM 4/6/03 -0700, you wrote: >At 09:10 PM 4/5/2003, John Mazzarella wrote: > >>Along this topic, I noticed that musiciansfriend is selling the black EDP >>but they are selling the tan footcontroller. Would there be any difference >>between the blonde footcontroller and the black footcontroller? > >there would be no difference other than the color. >kim > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 7 09:58:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h37DsEb14962; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 09:54:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 09:54:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 09:53:49 -0400 From: Paulzric@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Chapman Sticks and Snow MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <61E687E2.6AD2C45B.007D6382@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <2VJrK.A.JpD.5LYk-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com After visiting the Chapman Stick site proper I found myself instantly rearranging my finances to be able to afford one. I have questions pertaining to choices (oh, and by the way, Detroit was NAILED by easterly winds carrying Lake Huron ala Atlantic snows this morning. It made me want to stay home and jam polar jams, but alas, can't afford C. sticks on my looks): Guitarists should veer towards the 8 string version. (T/F) The 12 string version is better for bassists. (T/F) The 10 string version is the safest bet for unsure buyers. (T/F) They're not worth the money. (T/F) Roman Polanski should follow up The Pianist with The Chapman Stickist, the story of a poor white trash trailer boy just north of 8 mile in Detroit who loops Chapman Stick Lines to vintage Joe Pass albums in front of angry mobs of upset and disbelieving jazz artists.(T/F) Hey, don't forget to visit my brand spanking new and first MP3.com/cphere site: www.mp3.com/cphere Peace. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 7 10:28:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h37ERS620210; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 10:27:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 10:27:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c2fd14$cf804b20$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <01fd01c2fc97$8c1d8000$2163f93f@global> Subject: Re: Babatunde Olatunji passes on Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 09:48:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks. he was an influence on me as well. lance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT" Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 6:52 PM Subject: OT: Babatunde Olatunji passes on > I just recieved the very sad news that the wonderful > Nigerian drummer and Emissary for Peace and Community, > Babatunde Olatunji passed on after a long series of health > crises. > > Baba was an amazing spirit!!! He put desire to unify people > above any other thing in his work and was an Ambassador for > World Peace and multi-cultural diversity and love. > > He was as much a spiritual father to me as a drumming father, even though > I toured and recorded with him for a while and first was attracted to him > because of his drumming skills. > > He was also the first adult male who ever approved of me and my musical > choice in > life and gave me the courage and support to become a true artist. He > nurtured me and he loved me like a son and,indeed, went on to become > my official godfather. He called me 'captain'. Why, I'll never be sure but > it felt good to me. > > One day, many years ago, he called Arthur Hull (the famous community drum > circle facilitator) and I together for a breakfast business meeting and > asked if I would become his official world touring manager in a dual role as > a performing member of his ensemble. I was flattered beyond belief but > felt that I really wanted to be an artist and humbly turned him down. He > was very gracious and supportive of me then, even though it didn't serve his > purposes to have me turn him down. > > At that meeting, he was reading a newspaper headline about the then > president, George Bush, Sr. I made some scathing remark about how much I > hated > George Bush's politics. Baba scolded me and said, "No, no, captain, I > pray for the president every single day when I shower". > > I was aghast........."But Baba, He is doing horrible things to people > around the world in the name of our country". > > And he replied............"He is the president of this country and people > all over the world look to him for his views, so every single day I pray > that he does the right thing...........I pray that he makes the most > compassionate and selfless decisions that will affect the people of this > country and the world. I pray that he can become a great leader." > > > His response completely changed me. Before this point, I had feared and > resented and hated the people in power who abuse their power. I suddenly > realized that > you praying for them to do the right things represented a paradigm shift in > the way I looked at politics and change. Baba showed me that the way you > comport yourself in your life has everything to do with the ability of > things to change for the positive. > > If what the Dalai Lama says is true (and I believe it is), that there is "no > us and then, but that there is only US", then it means our work is cut out > for us in this lifetime for, as Michael Franti of Spearhead says, "Creating > Peace amongst human beings on this planet will take many generations to > accomplish.............consequently we need to dedicate our selves to a > lifetime of > work in an attempt to create the world that some day, long after we are > gone, will make the world a better place...............the place that we all > wish was here today." > > God bless you Baba...................Thank you for everything, old > man......I love you. > > > Rick Walker > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 7 14:08:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h37I4KW21605; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 14:04:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 14:04:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008c01c2fd30$010c8350$5b0018ac@jnpr.net> Reply-To: From: To: References: <61E687E2.6AD2C45B.007D6382@aol.com> Subject: Re: Chapman Sticks and Snow Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 11:03:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - hummer.alwayswebhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - groovetronica.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Guitarists should veer towards the 8 string version. (T/F) False. The 8 string version is the equivalent of a bass guitar. >The 12 string version is better for bassists. (T/F) False. The 12 string version is better for people who want 12 strings. >The 10 string version is the safest bet for unsure buyers. (T/F) False. The 10 string version is probably a little less intimidating to start on, but not much. You'll soon find yourself lusting after 12 strings. In any case, after the first 'hump', you are going to find them a lot easier to practice than a bass or a guitar, since you will always be accompanying yourself. >They're not worth the money. (T/F) They are expensive - I've never own a brand new one. >Hey, don't forget to visit my brand spanking new and first MP3.com/cphere site: >www.mp3.com/cphere Awesome. This is nice stuff. Are you sure you want to be putting it on mp3.com? You know, they take ownership of anything you place there... biz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 7 14:17:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h37IFgw23110; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 14:15:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 14:15:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012201c2fd31$85b74300$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <01fd01c2fc97$8c1d8000$2163f93f@global> <002f01c2fd14$cf804b20$69894682@lance> Subject: Re: Babatunde Olatunji passes on Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 12:14:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sweet lance. thanks for ther homage. wish i could have know this chap. peace jg ----- Original Message ----- From: Lance Chance To: Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 8:48 AM Subject: Re: Babatunde Olatunji passes on > thanks. he was an influence on me as well. > > lance > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" > To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT" > Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 6:52 PM > Subject: OT: Babatunde Olatunji passes on > > > > I just recieved the very sad news that the wonderful > > Nigerian drummer and Emissary for Peace and Community, > > Babatunde Olatunji passed on after a long series of health > > crises. > > > > Baba was an amazing spirit!!! He put desire to unify people > > above any other thing in his work and was an Ambassador for > > World Peace and multi-cultural diversity and love. > > > > He was as much a spiritual father to me as a drumming father, even though > > I toured and recorded with him for a while and first was attracted to him > > because of his drumming skills. > > > > He was also the first adult male who ever approved of me and my musical > > choice in > > life and gave me the courage and support to become a true artist. He > > nurtured me and he loved me like a son and,indeed, went on to become > > my official godfather. He called me 'captain'. Why, I'll never be sure > but > > it felt good to me. > > > > One day, many years ago, he called Arthur Hull (the famous community drum > > circle facilitator) and I together for a breakfast business meeting and > > asked if I would become his official world touring manager in a dual role > as > > a performing member of his ensemble. I was flattered beyond belief but > > felt that I really wanted to be an artist and humbly turned him down. He > > was very gracious and supportive of me then, even though it didn't serve > his > > purposes to have me turn him down. > > > > At that meeting, he was reading a newspaper headline about the then > > president, George Bush, Sr. I made some scathing remark about how much > I > > hated > > George Bush's politics. Baba scolded me and said, "No, no, captain, I > > pray for the president every single day when I shower". > > > > I was aghast........."But Baba, He is doing horrible things to people > > around the world in the name of our country". > > > > And he replied............"He is the president of this country and people > > all over the world look to him for his views, so every single day I pray > > that he does the right thing...........I pray that he makes the most > > compassionate and selfless decisions that will affect the people of this > > country and the world. I pray that he can become a great leader." > > > > > > His response completely changed me. Before this point, I had feared and > > resented and hated the people in power who abuse their power. I suddenly > > realized that > > you praying for them to do the right things represented a paradigm shift > in > > the way I looked at politics and change. Baba showed me that the way you > > comport yourself in your life has everything to do with the ability of > > things to change for the positive. > > > > If what the Dalai Lama says is true (and I believe it is), that there is > "no > > us and then, but that there is only US", then it means our work is cut > out > > for us in this lifetime for, as Michael Franti of Spearhead says, > "Creating > > Peace amongst human beings on this planet will take many generations to > > accomplish.............consequently we need to dedicate our selves to a > > lifetime of > > work in an attempt to create the world that some day, long after we are > > gone, will make the world a better place...............the place that we > all > > wish was here today." > > > > God bless you Baba...................Thank you for everything, old > > man......I love you. > > > > > > Rick Walker > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 7 14:17:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h37IGjY23387; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 14:16:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 14:16:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030407181617.14937.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 11:16:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re:Recording software for Yellowdog Linux To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030404.211903.8011.367736@webmail6.nyc.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- chrismandel@juno.com wrote: > I've got a very useful book about music applications for linux: Linux Music and > Sound by Dave Phillips. It covers a wide range of software and comes with a CD > that contains most of the software the book covers. > Also, theres a linux looper based on the echoplex called superlooper. > Heres a spot about realtime Linux OS's. > http://www.linuxdj.com/audio/lad/resourceslatency.php3 > You may also like to know that theres a linux version of MAX called JMAX. I've > been thinking about building a linux machine for music so i've been researching > a bit, seems like theres more out there than most people presume. There's quite a bit out there, but when I looked at it a few months ago, many of the audio-related projects were still in early development, so lots of bugs and setup difficultly. Hardware support is pretty spotty too. As much as I like Linux, I finally decided to stay with "the dark side" for awhile. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 7 14:31:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h37ITL825269; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 14:29:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 14:29:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030407182847.76214.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 11:28:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Babatunde Olatunji To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <01fd01c2fc97$8c1d8000$2163f93f@global> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Rick, My condolances on the loss of your good friend. It sounds like he was a fascinating man. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 7 14:51:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h37IoVq28509; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 14:50:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 14:50:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 11:49:28 -0700 Message-ID: <3E7B8E2C000110A6@mta8.wss.scd.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <01fd01c2fc97$8c1d8000$2163f93f@global> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: RE: OT: Babatunde Olatunji passes on To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h37InYZ28361 Resent-Message-ID: <0ucT5C.A.Y7G.-gck-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was first introduced to Baba's work thru the Grateful Dead, and hearing his music pushed my musical vocabulary further... For years I listened to his work, and was while I was moved by his drumming, it was his voice that kept me in awe... Many years later I showed up at my friend Muruga's house and was more than pleasantly surprised to find Baba there... They were working on a album together (which I highly recommend hearing if you haven't, Cosmic Rhythm Vibrations is the title) and I had a wonderful opportunity to hang out with him... As Rick has said he was, I also was impacted by Baba's perspective... I am very thankful to have had the opportunity to have been in his presence (and carry his drums) and saddened that others will not have that chance... peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" >To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT" >Subject: OT: Babatunde Olatunji passes on >Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 16:52:13 -0700 >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >I just recieved the very sad news that the wonderful >Nigerian drummer and Emissary for Peace and Community, >Babatunde Olatunji passed on after a long series of health >crises. > >Baba was an amazing spirit!!! He put desire to unify people >above any other thing in his work and was an Ambassador for >World Peace and multi-cultural diversity and love. > >He was as much a spiritual father to me as a drumming father, even though >I toured and recorded with him for a while and first was attracted to him >because of his drumming skills. > >He was also the first adult male who ever approved of me and my musical >choice in >life and gave me the courage and support to become a true artist. He >nurtured me and he loved me like a son and,indeed, went on to become >my official godfather. He called me 'captain'. Why, I'll never be sure >but >it felt good to me. > >One day, many years ago, he called Arthur Hull (the famous community drum >circle facilitator) and I together for a breakfast business meeting and >asked if I would become his official world touring manager in a dual role >as >a performing member of his ensemble. I was flattered beyond belief but >felt that I really wanted to be an artist and humbly turned him down. He >was very gracious and supportive of me then, even though it didn't serve >his >purposes to have me turn him down. > >At that meeting, he was reading a newspaper headline about the then >president, George Bush, Sr. I made some scathing remark about how much >I >hated >George Bush's politics. Baba scolded me and said, "No, no, captain, I >pray for the president every single day when I shower". > >I was aghast........."But Baba, He is doing horrible things to people >around the world in the name of our country". > >And he replied............"He is the president of this country and people >all over the world look to him for his views, so every single day I pray >that he does the right thing...........I pray that he makes the most >compassionate and selfless decisions that will affect the people of this >country and the world. I pray that he can become a great leader." > > >His response completely changed me. Before this point, I had feared and >resented and hated the people in power who abuse their power. I suddenly >realized that >you praying for them to do the right things represented a paradigm shift >in >the way I looked at politics and change. Baba showed me that the way you >comport yourself in your life has everything to do with the ability of >things to change for the positive. > >If what the Dalai Lama says is true (and I believe it is), that there is >"no >us and then, but that there is only US", then it means our work is cut out >for us in this lifetime for, as Michael Franti of Spearhead says, "Creating >Peace amongst human beings on this planet will take many generations to >accomplish.............consequently we need to dedicate our selves to a >lifetime of >work in an attempt to create the world that some day, long after we are >gone, will make the world a better place...............the place that we >all >wish was here today." > >God bless you Baba...................Thank you for everything, old >man......I love you. > > >Rick Walker > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 7 15:56:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h37JnBb07818; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 15:49:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 15:49:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: DialaThos@aol.com Message-ID: <163.1e8cfce8.2bc32ff4@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 15:48:04 EDT Subject: Repeater: balanced I/O? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 Resent-Message-ID: <0ckp5.A.Y4B.YYdk-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Doing some studio rewiring today, and came to the Repeater. The manual says it's I/O is unbalanced, but when I look at the jacks they sure look like other balanced jacks I have. Anybody know what's up with this? Thanks! --Tom Griesgraber From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 7 16:10:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h37K7j112364; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 16:07:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 16:07:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030407200628.50438.qmail@web40505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 13:06:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Mackie 1202vlz and loop devices config. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00bb01c2cf61$9c4462e0$2264f93f@global> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi fellows, Well i finally bought a little 1202VLZ Mackie and here i am trying to plug things together but i have never done anything with a mixer so i am calling for suggestions to all you gurus outhere:-) Here is what i am trying to accomplish: I want to hook up both the repeater and EDP into the mixer so that i can loop different instruments into both loopers.I however want to play through my tube guitar amplifier (because i dont like the sound i am getting directly into the mixer) and feed it into the mackie so that i can have the punchy tube sound looped. My amp only has efx loop send and return but unfortunately no line OR XLR out. I am however satisfied with the clean sound of my Roland guitar synth through the mackie. I know one of the solutions would be miking the amp but i want to avoid as much noise as possible. here is what i have so far: Guitar in-GP100 out-echo pro- out-mackie (channel 1) Mackie send-GP100 -out-mackie return Guitar synth- stereo outs-mackie (channel 5,6) Mackie send-Repeater-out-mackie return. I would dearly appreciate sharing your experiences or suggestions to other wiser configurations: Cheers l.a ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 7 16:33:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h37KSqG15606; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 16:28:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 16:28:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 13:31:18 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater: balanced I/O? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <163.1e8cfce8.2bc32ff4@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can't tell if a jack is balanced by looking it it from the outside. It's all about how many connections it has on the inside. The Repeater doesn't have enough. It's unbalanced. As long as you're not going to far, this shouldn't be an issue. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, April 7, 2003, at 12:48 PM, DialaThos@aol.com wrote: > Hi all, > > Doing some studio rewiring today, and came to the Repeater. The > manual says > it's I/O is unbalanced, but when I look at the jacks they sure look > like > other balanced jacks I have. Anybody know what's up with this? > > Thanks! > --Tom Griesgraber > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 7 17:07:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h37L6eK22667; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 17:06:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 17:06:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 14:09:01 -0700 Subject: Re: Mackie 1202vlz and loop devices config. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030407200628.50438.qmail@web40505.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <27DA3E34-693D-11D7-B108-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: <-2O_9D.A.AhF.Ihek-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's going to be a tough one without line outs. If you had line outs you could buy a Behringer DI box with speaker simulation for about $30 (x2 for stereo) and go right into your amp. I've read good reviews about it, but I've never heard or used it myself. You could just try using the effect send of the amp, but again it will probably not sound very good, as to much of your sound coming from the tone of the power amp and speaker. The interaction of the tube power stage and speaker is a big part of the tube sound (see last week's thread). The DI box I spoke of would also help here. How good are they? I don't know. Here's how I tackled the same problem: I take the effect loop out and go into a Lexicon MPX G2 and instead of going back into the amp, I go into the mixer. Luckily, the G2 has amp and speaker simulation built in so it seems to do the trick. Is it the same as using the amp all the way? No, but it's close enough for my purposes. Mark On Monday, April 7, 2003, at 01:06 PM, Louie Angulo wrote: > Hi fellows, > Well i finally bought a little 1202VLZ Mackie and here > i am trying to plug things together but i have never > done anything with a mixer so i am calling for > suggestions to all you gurus outhere:-) > Here is what i am trying to accomplish: > I want to hook up both the repeater and EDP into the > mixer so that i can loop different instruments into > both loopers.I however want to play through my tube > guitar amplifier (because i dont like the sound i am > getting directly into the mixer) and feed it into the > mackie so that i can have the punchy tube sound > looped. My amp only has efx loop send and return but > unfortunately no line OR XLR out. I am however > satisfied with the clean sound of my Roland guitar > synth through the mackie. > I know one of the solutions would be miking the amp > but i want to avoid as much noise as possible. > here is what i have so far: > Guitar in-GP100 out-echo pro- out-mackie (channel 1) > Mackie send-GP100 -out-mackie return > Guitar synth- stereo outs-mackie (channel 5,6) > Mackie send-Repeater-out-mackie return. > > I would dearly appreciate sharing your experiences or > suggestions to other wiser configurations: > Cheers > l.a > > ===== > www.labalou.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > http://tax.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 7 18:10:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h37M74900825; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 18:07:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 18:07:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c2fd51$f7a8d350$650018ac@jnpr.net> Reply-To: From: To: References: Subject: Re: Repeater: balanced I/O? Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 15:06:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - hummer.alwayswebhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - groovetronica.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Repeater doesn't have enough. It's unbalanced. As long as you're not > going to far, this shouldn't be an issue. > Unless you are trying to plug into a balanced chain, in which case, you'll break it. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 7 19:32:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h37NS8t14845; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 19:28:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 19:28:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009601c2fd5d$1d73a820$64474ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <003b01c2fc93$1743b320$0100a8c0@eluk> Subject: Re: Free loopalicious gig this Sunday in London! Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 00:26:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hi Steve, > > My wife and I were going to come up tonight and at the last minute of course > her mum had an emergency. I hope the gig went well! Hi Steve - no worries. The gig went very well - I had particular fun because it was a new one for me in two ways - firstly, I was running my rig in stereo (using new little Beringher 802 desk) with my EDPs in the two auxes, and also because I had a feed from the monitor desk of all the percussion mics, so that I could mix in live percussion into my loops, and also with the overhead mics I could capture entire sections of the whole band playing, and mangle them... which worked remarkably well, and will no be a feature of any future collaborative looping projects... watch this space for more on that...! > I was wondering this week about the Critical Mass folks - Last year at this > time I asked after it and was told the show was every other year. Perhaps > they're not going to do it this year either! If I hear anything I'll let > you know. Critical Mass isn't happening this year - there will be a 'Stations Of The Cross' instillation at St Luke's over Easter, but I don't think it'll be including any live music, or looping. However, linking both those themes, I did do a live gig on Saturday night creating 14 improv pieces with Jez Carr (pianist on Conversations), and looping guitarist, Evil Harv, based on the Stations of the Cross - we had classic works of art based on each of the stations which were being projected onto a wall behind us, and we got stuck into some pretty spikey scary improv - it's a bit hard to soundtrack the run up to the crucifixion and burial of Jesus without it being pretty damn nasty in places! Anyway, it was a marvellous experience - musically and spiritually satisfying, and one that I hope Jez, Evil Harv and I can repeat next year... cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk (gig details, news, MP3s etc.) www.stevelawson.net (the side-door) www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk (buy CDs) www.pmrecords.gemm.com (buy the same CDs) www.solobassnetwork.org.uk (other people making solo bass noises) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 7 20:18:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h380H7p21495; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 20:17:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 20:17:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Loopstock 2003 Short Report Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 16:04:47 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <78gOaB.A.JPF.vThk-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all-- Well, I don't know where ya were on Saturday night, but many of you stayed away from San Luis Obispo. Hans and all put on a fine show, marred somewhat by the absence of the fine guitarist and EDP master Andre LaFosse, but many others were quite entertaining. I caught my first taste of Whooley--Good God y'all! Two DL4s and a microphone! Rick Walker put in a remarkable equipment failure free set--we all agreed that Mercury must not be in retrograde . . . Brother Bill also made some fine contributions, and there were many instances of more than one looper on stage at once--Jon Wagner was particularly generous with his time . . . The highlight for me was the introduction of Dennis Leas' Looper Construction Kit using Kyma--some incredible loop magic in that box . . . The clinics were illuminating, the performances powerful and the Sunday brunch was great (although certain engineering types seemed to fail to set their clock forward). Here's to health of all, and let's get together more often! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 7 20:23:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h380N7N22348; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 20:23:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 20:23:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <39.36adc17e.2bc37039@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 20:22:17 EDT Subject: Re: Loopstock 2003 Short Report To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h380MmZ22296 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks gary, I couldn't make it this year myself and everyone's been completely mum about how the show went -- that is until you gave us your mini report. Sounds like a great show (as expected). tEd ® kiLLiAn ArsOcarina@aol.com http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 8 01:33:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h385TZb16696; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 01:29:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 01:29:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <018901c2fd85$3c8ac400$b764f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200304071851.h37IpFM28667@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: URL for AMY X Neuburg (was: treat for east coast loopers) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 21:12:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's that URL you requested for Amy X Neuburg's site. http://www.isproductions.com/amy/ peace. out. rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 8 01:37:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h385Xfc17101; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 01:33:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 01:33:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030408053304.74945.qmail@web41001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 22:33:04 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Mackie 1202vlz and loop devices config & Hotplates To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030407200628.50438.qmail@web40505.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Louie Angulo wrote: > I however want to play through my tube > guitar amplifier (because i dont like the sound i am > getting directly into the mixer) and feed it into > the mackie so that i can have the punchy tube sound > looped. My amp only has efx loop send and return but > unfortunately no line OR XLR out. I've never tried one these; but, maybe someone else can give their opinion. http://www.thdelectronics.com/products/hotplate.htm John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 8 01:59:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h385tC719099; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 01:55:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 01:55:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030408055454.26812.qmail@web40501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 22:54:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Mackie 1202vlz and loop devices config. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <27DA3E34-693D-11D7-B108-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the tip Mark ill try that out. cheers L.a --- mark wrote: > It's going to be a tough one without line outs. If > you had line outs > you could buy a Behringer DI box with speaker > simulation for about $30 > (x2 for stereo) and go right into your amp. I've > read good reviews > about it, but I've never heard or used it myself. > > You could just try using the effect send of the amp, > but again it will > probably not sound very good, as to much of your > sound coming from the > tone of the power amp and speaker. The interaction > of the tube power > stage and speaker is a big part of the tube sound > (see last week's > thread). The DI box I spoke of would also help > here. How good are > they? I don't know. > > Here's how I tackled the same problem: I take the > effect loop out and > go into a Lexicon MPX G2 and instead of going back > into the amp, I go > into the mixer. Luckily, the G2 has amp and speaker > simulation built > in so it seems to do the trick. Is it the same as > using the amp all > the way? No, but it's close enough for my purposes. > > Mark > > On Monday, April 7, 2003, at 01:06 PM, Louie Angulo > wrote: > > > Hi fellows, > > Well i finally bought a little 1202VLZ Mackie and > here > > i am trying to plug things together but i have > never > > done anything with a mixer so i am calling for > > suggestions to all you gurus outhere:-) > > Here is what i am trying to accomplish: > > I want to hook up both the repeater and EDP into > the > > mixer so that i can loop different instruments > into > > both loopers.I however want to play through my > tube > > guitar amplifier (because i dont like the sound i > am > > getting directly into the mixer) and feed it into > the > > mackie so that i can have the punchy tube sound > > looped. My amp only has efx loop send and return > but > > unfortunately no line OR XLR out. I am however > > satisfied with the clean sound of my Roland guitar > > synth through the mackie. > > I know one of the solutions would be miking the > amp > > but i want to avoid as much noise as possible. > > here is what i have so far: > > Guitar in-GP100 out-echo pro- out-mackie (channel > 1) > > Mackie send-GP100 -out-mackie return > > Guitar synth- stereo outs-mackie (channel 5,6) > > Mackie send-Repeater-out-mackie return. > > > > I would dearly appreciate sharing your experiences > or > > suggestions to other wiser configurations: > > Cheers > > l.a > > > > ===== > > www.labalou.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, > forms, and more > > http://tax.yahoo.com > > > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 8 03:00:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h386xJM29527; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 02:59:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 02:59:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 22:39:33 -0700 From: Tim Thompson Subject: RE: A treat for East Coast Loopers In-reply-to: <006c01c2fc41$d3d83170$75772544@user0jd9dje1rf> To: "'Sempai'" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000001c2fd9b$ec769db0$15a8a8c0@NOLA> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > give yourself a consolation treat and go see the fabulous > > looper/vocalist/songwriter > > AMY X NEUBURG if you have the chance. > > Any website where samples of her work can be heard? http://www.isproductions.com/amy/biog.html These are somewhat representative of the variety and quality in her solo work: Tattoo song Stone Finally Black Loop #1 (listen to both halves) My Room Breathes These don't do justice to the experience of seeing her perform/construct the pieces live, though. I echo Rick's enthusiasm for her extreme and multi-dimensional talent. ...Tim... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 8 03:01:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3870Il29730; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 03:00:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 03:00:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 00:07:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Re: Babatunde Olatunji Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was fortunate to have played with Babatunde Olatunji for a couple of years, at shows on the west coast. He had enormous heart and great wisdom born of an amazing lifetime, spent bringing the rhythms, culture and spirit of his native Nigeria to the western world. Baba spent the last year or so of his life at Eselen Institute, in Big Sur, on the most breathtaking stretch of Hwy 1 you can imagine. It was to me, most fitting that a man of his beauty and grace, spent his last days surrounded by love ones and extended family, on this serene piece of California coast. I remember a gig at Eselan with him where I decided to play lap steel guitar (partly because there were three other guitarists on the gig and I was trying to find a place to fit in) I figured I'd play really subtlety and blend in to the swirl of guitars and drums. Baba, who by this time was nearly blind from cataracts, turned and waved his hand in my direction and demanded that I turn up! For the rest of the night he would periodically turn and gesture for me to step out. And I remember driving to the gig wondering If I would even get a solo! Baba would always take time during his concerts to talk to the audience, and he always had something simple, eloquent and profound to say. The messages were often about love and compassion, and building bridges through music. In this respect, He was an architect of the highest order. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 8 03:18:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h387IAS31718; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 03:18:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 03:18:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 00:19:26 -0700 Subject: Re: Babatunde Olatunji passes on From: Ernie Mansfield To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Luckily, I also had the opportunity to see Babatunde perform in Berkeley last year - probably one of his last performances. It was obvious from his large ensemble onstage that he had some very close and dedicated disciples. Thanks you for sharing your story about him - and I hope you can write out any further memories of your experiences of him. He seems like a great man. Please email me off-list about any further information you can pass on. -- Ernie Mansfield Mansfield Music -- http://www.mansfieldmusic.com ernie@mansfieldmusic.com -- Hear my music at: http://www.mp3.com/erniemansfield From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 8 09:18:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h38DHbL08105; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 09:17:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 09:17:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015901c2fdd0$f551d140$a7e45cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: Soundscapes Concert Series with vidnaObmana Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 09:14:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0148_01C2FDAF.46E65700" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0148_01C2FDAF.46E65700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Soundscapes Concert Series proudly presents vidnaObmana in an all ages concert of space music at the City of Bethlehem's IceHouse on Sand Island 56 River Street West Bethlehem, Pennsylvania Saturday, April 19, 2003 Concert at 8:00 pm, doors open at 7:30 pm FREE Buffet Dinner by Chef Jeff Tickets: $17 in advance and $20 at the door. Soundscapes #4 is coproduced by WDS Productions and Wooden Shoe Music. For the fourth installment of the Soundscapes Concert Series, = vidnaObmana will perform a unique concert at the City of Bethlehem's = IceHouse on Sand Island. Located in historic Bethlehem on the north bank = of the Lehigh River, the IceHouse is a perfect venue for a concert of = spacemusic. This concert will be on Saturday, April 19, 2003, starting = at 8:00 pm. The doors will open at 7:30 pm and Chef Jeff will cater a = free buffet dinner. Tickets are $17 in advance and $20 at the door. = Advance tickets are be available at: Compact Disc Center Speedy's Record Shop 1365 Easton Ave. 1001 Union Blvd. Bethlehem, Pennsylvania Allentown, Pennsylvania 610-868-3070 610-432-8386 and on-line at: http://electro-music.com NOTE: Tickets purchased at the door will be discounted by $3 for those = who show their WDIY or WMUH membersip cards or their full time student = ID. INFORMATION:=20 http://soundscapes.us=20 CONTACT:=20 Bill Fox=20 billfox@fast.net=20 610-746-9615=20 VIDNAOBMANA:=20 Ambient musician vidnaObmana is one of spacemusic's brightest stars. = Using synthesizers, audio processors, and a vast array of exotic = instruments, Belgian electronic musician vidnaObmana creates a complex, = layered musical journey through rhythms, timbres, loops, and sonic = atmospheres. The name vidnaObmana means "optical illusion" in = Servo-Croation, a term he picked up while vacationing in Croatia during = his childhood. He chose this phrase as his musical persona to illustrate = how his music correlates sonically with the surreal soundscapes he = creates. vidnaObmana is a prolific composer whose diverse body of work = ranges from post-industrial through gently atmospheric, to tribal = ambient and more. His music slowly shifts through electronic audio = imagery, creating extremely personal works of atmospheric delight. Throughout his career, vidnaObmana has explored the abrasive side of = electronic composition, using freeform soundscapes, international music = traditions, and post-classical experimentations. His music has been = released widely by many independent labels worldwide, including: = Release/Relapse, Amplexus, Extreme, Hypnos, Mirage, Multimood, Projekt = and others. A significant portion of vidnaObmana's work has been = realized in collaboration with some of the world's most interesting = musicians such as Alio Die, Jeff Pearce, Steve Roach, Djen Ajakan Shean, = Asmus Tietchens, and Brannan Lane. FLIER: A concert flier is available for download at = http://soundscapes.us/flier4_vo.pdf You are encouraged to take an = active role in the health of the electronic music scene by printing, = displaying, and distributing this flier. Forwarding of this email = message helps, too! ROBERT RICH: Robert Rich will come to the Soundscapes Concert Series on Saturday, = July 12, 2003. Tickets will be $20 at the door and $17 in advance (on = sale starting April 20). Tickets for the July 12 Robert Rich concert = which are purchased at the April 19 Soundscapes are $15 only for = vidnaObmana ticket-holders. A concert flier for the Robert Rich show is = available for download at http://soundscapes.us/flier5_rr.pdf ------=_NextPart_000_0148_01C2FDAF.46E65700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The=20 Soundscapes Concert Series
proudly=20 presents
vidnaObmana
in=20 an all ages concert of space music
at the City of Bethlehem's = IceHouse on=20 Sand Island
56 River Street West
Bethlehem, = Pennsylvania
Saturday,=20 April 19, 2003
Concert at 8:00 pm, doors open at 7:30 pm
FREE = Buffet=20 Dinner by Chef Jeff
Tickets: $17 in advance and $20 at the=20 door.
Soundscapes #4 is coproduced by WDS Productions and
Wooden = Shoe=20 Music.
 
For the fourth installment of the = Soundscapes=20 Concert Series, vidnaObmana will perform a unique concert at the City of = Bethlehem's IceHouse on Sand Island. Located in historic Bethlehem on = the north=20 bank of the Lehigh River, the IceHouse is a perfect venue for a concert = of=20 spacemusic. This concert will be on Saturday, April 19, 2003, starting = at 8:00=20 pm. The doors will open at 7:30 pm and Chef Jeff will cater a free = buffet=20 dinner. Tickets are $17 in advance and $20 at the door.  = Advance tickets are be available at:
 
Compact Disc=20 Center          Speedy's = Record=20 Shop
1365 Easton Ave.         = 1001=20 Union Blvd.
Bethlehem,=20 Pennsylvania         Allentown,=20 Pennsylvania
610-868-3070       &nb= sp;=20 610-432-8386
and on-line at:
http://electro-music.com
 
NOTE: Tickets purchased at the door = will be=20 discounted by $3 for those who show their WDIY or WMUH membersip cards = or their=20 full time student ID.
 

INFORMATION: =
 
 

CONTACT:
 
Bill Fox
billfox@fast.net
610-746-9615 =
 

VIDNAOBMANA:
 
Ambient musician vidnaObmana is one = of=20 spacemusic's brightest stars. Using synthesizers, audio processors, and = a vast=20 array of exotic instruments, Belgian electronic musician vidnaObmana = creates a=20 complex, layered musical journey through rhythms, timbres, loops, and = sonic=20 atmospheres. The name vidnaObmana means "optical illusion" in = Servo-Croation, a=20 term he picked up while vacationing in Croatia during his childhood. He = chose=20 this phrase as his musical persona to illustrate how his music = correlates=20 sonically with the surreal soundscapes he creates. vidnaObmana is a = prolific=20 composer whose diverse body of work ranges from post-industrial through = gently=20 atmospheric, to tribal ambient and more. His music slowly shifts through = electronic audio imagery, creating extremely personal works of = atmospheric=20 delight.
 
Throughout his career, vidnaObmana = has explored=20 the abrasive side of electronic composition, using freeform soundscapes, = international music traditions, and post-classical experimentations. His = music=20 has been released widely by many independent labels worldwide, = including:=20 Release/Relapse, Amplexus, Extreme, Hypnos, Mirage, Multimood, Projekt = and=20 others. A significant portion of vidnaObmana's work has been realized in = collaboration with some of the world's most interesting musicians such = as Alio=20 Die, Jeff Pearce, Steve Roach, Djen Ajakan Shean, Asmus Tietchens, and = Brannan=20 Lane.
 
 
FLIER:
 
A concert flier is available for download at http://soundscapes.us/flier4= _vo.pdf  = You are=20 encouraged to take an active role in the health of the electronic music = scene by=20 printing, displaying, and distributing this flier.  Forwarding of = this=20 email message helps, too!
 
 
ROBERT RICH:
 
Robert Rich will come to the Soundscapes Concert = Series on=20 Saturday, July 12, 2003.  Tickets will be $20 at the door and $17 = in=20 advance (on sale starting April 20).  Tickets for the July 12 = Robert=20 Rich concert which are purchased at the April 19 Soundscapes are $15 = only for=20 vidnaObmana ticket-holders.  A concert flier for the Robert Rich = show is=20 available for download at http://soundscapes.us/flier5= _rr.pdf
 ------=_NextPart_000_0148_01C2FDAF.46E65700-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 8 09:50:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h38Dl7e12715; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 09:47:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 09:47:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01c201c2fdd5$37aad880$a7e45cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "MMML" , "Ambient Mailing List" , "Loopers Delight" Subject: The Soundscapes Concert Series with vidnaObmana Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 09:46:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BF_01C2FDB3.AF7BE1A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BF_01C2FDB3.AF7BE1A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Soundscapes Concert Series proudly presents vidnaObmana in an all ages concert of space music at the City of Bethlehem's IceHouse on Sand Island 56 River Street West Bethlehem, Pennsylvania Saturday, April 19, 2003 Concert at 8:00 pm, doors open at 7:30 pm FREE Buffet Dinner by Chef Jeff Tickets: $17 in advance and $20 at the door. Soundscapes #4 is coproduced by WDS Productions and Wooden Shoe Music. For the fourth installment of the Soundscapes Concert Series, = vidnaObmana will perform a unique concert at the City of Bethlehem's = IceHouse on Sand Island. Located in historic Bethlehem on the north bank = of the Lehigh River, the IceHouse is a perfect venue for a concert of = spacemusic. This concert will be on Saturday, April 19, 2003, starting = at 8:00 pm. The doors will open at 7:30 pm and Chef Jeff will cater a = free buffet dinner. Tickets are $17 in advance and $20 at the door. = Advance tickets are be available at: Compact Disc Center Speedy's Record Shop 1365 Easton Ave. 1001 Union Blvd. Bethlehem, Pennsylvania Allentown, Pennsylvania 610-868-3070 610-432-8386 and on-line at: http://electro-music.com NOTE: Tickets purchased at the door will be discounted by $3 for those = who show their WDIY or WMUH membersip cards or their full time student = ID. INFORMATION:=20 http://soundscapes.us=20 CONTACT:=20 Bill Fox=20 billfox@fast.net=20 610-746-9615=20 VIDNAOBMANA:=20 Ambient musician vidnaObmana is one of spacemusic's brightest stars. = Using synthesizers, audio processors, and a vast array of exotic = instruments, Belgian electronic musician vidnaObmana creates a complex, = layered musical journey through rhythms, timbres, loops, and sonic = atmospheres. The name vidnaObmana means "optical illusion" in = Serbo-Croation, a term he picked up while vacationing in Croatia during = his childhood. He chose this phrase as his musical persona to illustrate = how his music correlates sonically with the surreal soundscapes he = creates. vidnaObmana is a prolific composer whose diverse body of work = ranges from post-industrial through gently atmospheric, to tribal = ambient and more. His music slowly shifts through electronic audio = imagery, creating extremely personal works of atmospheric delight. Throughout his career, vidnaObmana has explored the abrasive side of = electronic composition, using freeform soundscapes, international music = traditions, and post-classical experimentations. His music has been = released widely by many independent labels worldwide, including: = Release/Relapse, Amplexus, Extreme, Hypnos, Mirage, Multimood, Projekt = and others. A significant portion of vidnaObmana's work has been = realized in collaboration with some of the world's most interesting = musicians such as Alio Die, Jeff Pearce, Steve Roach, Djen Ajakan Shean, = Asmus Tietchens, and Brannan Lane. FLIER: A concert flier is available for download at = http://soundscapes.us/flier4_vo.pdf You are encouraged to take an = active role in the health of the electronic music scene by printing, = displaying, and distributing this flier. Forwarding of this email = message helps, too! ROBERT RICH: Robert Rich will come to the Soundscapes Concert Series on Saturday, = July 12, 2003. Tickets will be $20 at the door and $17 in advance (on = sale starting April 20). Tickets for the July 12 Robert Rich concert = which are purchased at the April 19 Soundscapes are $15 only for = vidnaObmana ticket-holders. A concert flier for the Robert Rich show is = available for download at http://soundscapes.us/flier5_rr.pdf ------=_NextPart_000_01BF_01C2FDB3.AF7BE1A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The=20 Soundscapes Concert Series
proudly=20 presents
vidnaObmana
in=20 an all ages concert of space music
at the City of Bethlehem's = IceHouse on=20 Sand Island
56 River Street West
Bethlehem, = Pennsylvania
Saturday,=20 April 19, 2003
Concert at 8:00 pm, doors open at 7:30 pm
FREE = Buffet=20 Dinner by Chef Jeff
Tickets: $17 in advance and $20 at the=20 door.
Soundscapes #4 is coproduced by WDS Productions and
Wooden = Shoe=20 Music.
 
For the fourth installment of the = Soundscapes=20 Concert Series, vidnaObmana will perform a unique concert at the City of = Bethlehem's IceHouse on Sand Island. Located in historic Bethlehem on = the north=20 bank of the Lehigh River, the IceHouse is a perfect venue for a concert = of=20 spacemusic. This concert will be on Saturday, April 19, 2003, starting = at 8:00=20 pm. The doors will open at 7:30 pm and Chef Jeff will cater a free = buffet=20 dinner. Tickets are $17 in advance and $20 at the door.  = Advance tickets are be available at:
 
Compact Disc=20 Center          Speedy's = Record=20 Shop
1365 Easton Ave.         = 1001=20 Union Blvd.
Bethlehem,=20 Pennsylvania         Allentown,=20 Pennsylvania
610-868-3070       &nb= sp;=20 610-432-8386
and on-line at:
http://electro-music.com
 
NOTE: Tickets purchased at the door = will be=20 discounted by $3 for those who show their WDIY or WMUH membersip cards = or their=20 full time student ID.
 

INFORMATION: =
 
 

CONTACT:
 
Bill Fox
billfox@fast.net
610-746-9615 =
 

VIDNAOBMANA:
 
Ambient musician vidnaObmana is one = of=20 spacemusic's brightest stars. Using synthesizers, audio processors, and = a vast=20 array of exotic instruments, Belgian electronic musician vidnaObmana = creates a=20 complex, layered musical journey through rhythms, timbres, loops, and = sonic=20 atmospheres. The name vidnaObmana means "optical illusion" in = Serbo-Croation, a=20 term he picked up while vacationing in Croatia during his childhood. He = chose=20 this phrase as his musical persona to illustrate how his music = correlates=20 sonically with the surreal soundscapes he creates. vidnaObmana is a = prolific=20 composer whose diverse body of work ranges from post-industrial through = gently=20 atmospheric, to tribal ambient and more. His music slowly shifts through = electronic audio imagery, creating extremely personal works of = atmospheric=20 delight.
 
Throughout his career, vidnaObmana = has explored=20 the abrasive side of electronic composition, using freeform soundscapes, = international music traditions, and post-classical experimentations. His = music=20 has been released widely by many independent labels worldwide, = including:=20 Release/Relapse, Amplexus, Extreme, Hypnos, Mirage, Multimood, Projekt = and=20 others. A significant portion of vidnaObmana's work has been realized in = collaboration with some of the world's most interesting musicians such = as Alio=20 Die, Jeff Pearce, Steve Roach, Djen Ajakan Shean, Asmus Tietchens, and = Brannan=20 Lane.
 
 
FLIER:
 
A concert flier is available for download at http://soundscapes.us/flier4= _vo.pdf  = You are=20 encouraged to take an active role in the health of the electronic music = scene by=20 printing, displaying, and distributing this flier.  Forwarding of = this=20 email message helps, too!
 
 
ROBERT RICH:
 
Robert Rich will come to the Soundscapes Concert = Series on=20 Saturday, July 12, 2003.  Tickets will be $20 at the door and $17 = in=20 advance (on sale starting April 20).  Tickets for the July 12 = Robert=20 Rich concert which are purchased at the April 19 Soundscapes are $15 = only for=20 vidnaObmana ticket-holders.  A concert flier for the Robert Rich = show is=20 available for download at http://soundscapes.us/flier5= _rr.pdf
------=_NextPart_000_01BF_01C2FDB3.AF7BE1A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 8 10:32:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h38ET5V19939; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 10:29:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 10:29:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-2.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1049812250!43667 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAEA4@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] RE: Repeater: balanced I/O? Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 15:19:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2FDD9.D65CC610" Resent-Message-ID: <0pRseD.A.B3E.hytk-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2FDD9.D65CC610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Repeater doesn't have enough. It's unbalanced. As long as you're not > going to far, this shouldn't be an issue. > Unless you are trying to plug into a balanced chain, in which case, you'll break it.<< well, not so much "break" it as defeat it. a balanced 1/4" jack (i.e. a regular insert/stereo headphone style 1/4") in an unbalanced socket will have cold and ground shorted, which is the "cheap" way of converting between them. if you're really bothered about it, there are all sorts of boxes on the market for adapting unbalanced devices, both the connections and the levels, to a balanced environment. most studio outboard these days has to offer both mono jacks and XLRs, since most mid to high-end desks have unbalanced connections for their channel and group inserts. the repeater, because of it's original pricing point and it's target market, is closer to stomp-box territory and designed to work in an unbalanced environment. if you /do/ use A-form (GPO) balanced jacks in your studio, though, it's unlikely that these will actually work with the repeater's jack sockets, although it won't damage anything. you really need to use mono B-form (i.e. normal 1/4" jacks) with it, and adapt these to the balanced environment externally, either by shorting cold to ground or by using a proper converter. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2FDD9.D65CC610 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [looper's] RE: Repeater: balanced I/O?

> Repeater doesn't have enough.  It's unbalanced.=   As long as you're not
> going to far, this shouldn't be an issue.
>

Unless you are trying to plug into a balanced chain, in w= hich case, you'll
break it.<<

well, not so much "break" it as defeat it.
a balanced 1/4" jack (i.e. a regular insert/stereo = headphone style 1/4") in an unbalanced socket will have cold and groun= d shorted, which is the "cheap" way of converting between them. <= /FONT>

if you're really bothered about it, there are all sorts o= f boxes on the market for adapting unbalanced devices, both the connections= and the levels, to a balanced environment.

 
most studio outboard these days has to offer both mono j= acks and XLRs, since most mid to high-end desks have unbalanced connections= for their channel and group inserts.

the repeater, because of it's original pricing point and = it's target market, is closer to stomp-box territory and designed to work i= n an unbalanced environment.

if you /do/ use A-form (GPO) balanced jacks in your studi= o, though, it's unlikely that these will actually work with the repeater's = jack sockets, although it won't damage anything.

you really need to use mono B-form (i.e. normal 1/4"= jacks) with it, and adapt these to the balanced environment externally, ei= ther by shorting cold to ground or by using a proper converter.

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C2FDD9.D65CC610-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 8 10:40:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h38Ee0421407; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 10:40:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 10:40:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5669699.1049812767206.JavaMail.sginn@mac.com> Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 07:39:27 -0700 From: Steve Ginn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Is EDP Balanced? was Re: [looper's] RE: Repeater: balanced I/O? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_118_4190398.1049812767203" Resent-Message-ID: <8GIkND.A.XNF.k8tk-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_Part_118_4190398.1049812767203 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are the Audio I/O's with the EDP TRS Balanced? I have been experiencing hum when I am forced to increase the output level in order to raise the gain ... would balanced connections help? thanks, Steve ------=_Part_118_4190398.1049812767203 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [looper's] RE: Repeater: balanced I/O?

> Repeater doesn't have enough.  It's unbalanced.=   As long as you're not
> going to far, this shouldn't be an issue.
>

Unless you are trying to plug into a balanced chain, in w= hich case, you'll
break it.<<

well, not so much "break" it as defeat it.
a balanced 1/4" jack (i.e. a regular insert/stereo = headphone style 1/4") in an unbalanced socket will have cold and groun= d shorted, which is the "cheap" way of converting between them. <= /FONT>

if you're really bothered about it, there are all sorts o= f boxes on the market for adapting unbalanced devices, both the connections= and the levels, to a balanced environment.

 
most studio outboard these days has to offer both mono j= acks and XLRs, since most mid to high-end desks have unbalanced connections= for their channel and group inserts.

the repeater, because of it's original pricing point and = it's target market, is closer to stomp-box territory and designed to work i= n an unbalanced environment.

if you /do/ use A-form (GPO) balanced jacks in your studi= o, though, it's unlikely that these will actually work with the repeater's = jack sockets, although it won't damage anything.

you really need to use mono B-form (i.e. normal 1/4"= jacks) with it, and adapt these to the balanced environment externally, ei= ther by shorting cold to ground or by using a proper converter.

duncan.



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------=_Part_118_4190398.1049812767203-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 8 12:13:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h38GA3502218; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 12:10:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 12:10:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.19.120] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopstock 2003 Short Report Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 16:09:40 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Apr 2003 16:09:40.0666 (UTC) FILETIME=[429E19A0:01C2FDE9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yep, Ted, it was quite a fun show! A little sparsely attended, but the performances were all great. I would like to publicly acknowledge Hans work, and dedication, to expanding the "visibility" of looping. (Everyone applauds for Hans!). An interesting item: On my set I was joined by Bill Walker and we sync'd his Repeater to my JamMan for a collaborative looping improv. We were not sure how well (or even IF) that would work, but it did with some great results. Later, Jon Wagner invited both myself and BIll to join him, and we had all three loopers sync'd! I believe we may have touched upon something in the way of "collaborative looping". Max >From: ArsOcarina@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Loopstock 2003 Short Report >Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 20:22:17 EDT > > >I couldn't make it this year myself and everyone's been >completely mum about how the show went -- that is until >you gave us your mini report. Sounds like a great show >(as expected). > >tEd ® kiLLiAn > _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 8 14:00:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h38HuOb21179; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 13:56:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 13:56:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030408175551.33207.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 10:55:51 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: OT: Babatunde Olatunji passes on To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200304071851.h37IpFM28667@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <<>> I only saw him once in the mid-80's in Seattle. However, I have come across his legacy so many times over the past 20 years. He was one of the first people to bring African drumming to the United States in a big way. In a way, all these drum circles that you see at festivals were started by him. I had the great good fortune to work with another African musician for many years. Dumisani Maraire was a Zimbabwean musician who played marimba and mbira. Similar to what Rick writes, Dumi was a spiritual father to me as well. Much of my "growing up" occured under his tutelage (I met him in 1979). He passed away about 3 1/2 years ago. I have been carrying on his tradition with my own groups during his lifetime and afterwards. It's interesting to me to observe how looping and African drumming have so much in common. Both are about repetitive phrases that change over time. Variation and development figure highly in both. African drumming fits in well with Looping technology. I myself haven't done much to fuse African marimba or mbira with looping, I get enough of that when I play with my band! Thanks Rick for posting this very important piece of news. And make sure to carry on Baba's work in all you do! Stephen http://tingaramarimba.com/ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 8 14:14:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h38IDmw24951; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 14:13:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 14:13:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 63.89.2.100 Message-ID: <000a01c2fdfa$4c7591e0$8628a8c0@CAMPBEBOWIN2K> From: "astroblue" To: References: <20030408175551.33207.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: OT: Seattle Rhythm Festival ( Babatunde Olatunji passes on ) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 11:11:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <1_e5sB.A.pEG.DFxk-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Another aspect of Babtunde Olatunji's legacy is this annual event: 'World Rhythm Festival' in Seattle on April 25-27 http://www.swps.org/wrf/Default.htm Baba made many appearances at this yearly gathering as a performer and teacher over the years. He had to cancel his appearance there last year at the last minute because of failing health. This festival is a thriving and living tribute to the living tradition's that Baba promoted. Its really worth checking out if you can. Bob Campbell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 8 14:31:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h38IR5427175; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 14:27:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 14:27:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016001c2fdfc$6197cf00$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Loopstock 2003 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 13:26:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All! I finally got back late last night from Loopstock. I certainly enjoyed myself immensely! Besides being chief organizer, equipment toter, and event promoter, Hans Lindauer is a great host! Thanks, Hans, for the mini-tour of San Luis Obispo and surrounding area. How 'bout some on-line applause for Hans' efforts? Here's mine: "Clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap- clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-c lap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap" And I really enjoyed meeting everybody else who was there, too! It felt like a family reunion with cousins you've never met before. I'll post more later. Hopefully, Mark Hamburg will also post some of the many pix he took. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 8 14:44:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h38Ig8S30038; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 14:42:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 14:42:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016b01c2fdfe$7dbcf050$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Babatunde Olatunji passes on Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 13:41:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <1vWKMD.A.BUH.pfxk-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So sad to hear of Babatunde's passing... He certainly blessed us with his music. So good to hear of your experiences, Rick, of meeting and knowing him. Thank you. I've heard the great passing described like a ship sailing over the horizon. >From our perspective we see it passing from our sight. "It's gone", we say. But somewhere, others see it arriving. "Here he comes!", they say with excitement. Heaven must, indeed, be a beautiful and sonorous place. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 8 15:07:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h38J5vU02563; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 15:05:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 15:05:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <016001c2fdfc$6197cf00$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <016001c2fdfc$6197cf00$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 12:04:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Loopstock 2003 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:26 PM -0500 4/8/03, Dennis Leas wrote: >How 'bout some on-line applause for Hans' efforts? Here's mine: >"Clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap- >clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap- >clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap" Aporopos: http://www.crownpoint.com/artists/reich/clapping.html -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 8 16:11:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h38K6YW12090; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 16:06:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 16:06:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <018e01c2fe0a$3f79a520$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <016001c2fdfc$6197cf00$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: Loopstock 2003 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 15:05:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, yes! YES!!! One of my favorite Reich pieces. Minimal hardware requirements (two performers with hands!). Incredible serendipity! I was describing this to Hans on Sunday. AND it fits into Rick Walker's clinic he gave on Saturday, "Concepts of Time Perception and Synchronization and other Self Teaching Concepts for Live Looping" I think "Clapping Music" is perfect for a looping performance. The first part (CLAP 1) is ideally suited for a looper (device). The second part is performed by the loopist. I've performed a modified (simplified) version of this. Now I can try the real thing. Thanks, Richard! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 2:04 PM Subject: Re: Loopstock 2003 > At 1:26 PM -0500 4/8/03, Dennis Leas wrote: > > >How 'bout some on-line applause for Hans' efforts? Here's mine: > >"Clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap - > >clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap- > >clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap" > > Aporopos: > > http://www.crownpoint.com/artists/reich/clapping.html > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 9 04:17:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h398EPb00554; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 04:14:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 04:14:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008c01c2fe6f$f011ab70$2ccfc22b@AOstler> From: "Os" To: Subject: cambridge festival of looping Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:13:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (apologies for the cross-post) prelimary info for this event: http://www.cambridge-loopfest.org.uk/ june 21st, cambridge, UK featuring (so far): rick walker's loop.pool theo travis darkroom cos chapman peter gregory peter chilvers cheers, os. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 9 07:08:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h39B77h14060; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 07:07:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 07:07:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 07:06:42 -0400 Subject: looping gig in NY this Sunday From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h39B6hZ13991 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Todd Reynolds performs more premieres of The Reynolds' Etudes by Phil Kline, together with Kathy Supove's premiere of Phil's 'Pictures of an Exhibitionist'. details below. The Reynolds' Etude are looping pieces one and all using Reynolds' rig which includes an Eventide Orville and an Echoplex. None of my own music this time, but if you have not heard classical music's contribution to our looping mayhem, this is profound composer from that side of the industry. truly beautiful stuff. all the best to my fellow loopers, todd ========================================= Pictures of an Exhibitionist On the evening of Sunday April 13 at 8:30 pm, Roulette will present two of New York¹s most celebrated new music virtuosi in music of Phil Kline. ³Exploding² pianist Kathy Supove will give the premiere of Pictures of an Exhibitionist. Described by the composer as ³a warped American Kinderszenen,² the suite of character pieces is based on childhood photographs of Kathy taken by her eccentric engineer-inventor father. Also featured on the program will be violinist Todd Reynolds, performing selections from The Reynolds Etudes, an ongoing series of pieces Kline is writing for the non-pareil plugged-in fiddler. For further information, call 212-227-6255 or email boombox@mindspring.com Roulette is located at 228 West Broadway at White Street, NYC (212-219-8242) Admission is $10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 9 09:43:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h39DaSk28388; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:36:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:36:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 09:36:01 -0400 Subject: [Very OT] Thinking about collocating my own box From: Jeffrey Lomas To: , Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry for the cross-post I'm thinking of collocating my own web server/mail server so that I can have better control over services that I get with my current ISP. To be able to afford the expense of hosting my own box I would be looking for others who would be interested to host their websites from my server. This is what I would offer: *Web server with PHP/PERL/SSL/ASP server extensions *MySQL db Access * Server access via FTP or SSH *Unlimited POP email accounts *unlimited mailing lists *1GB of Disk space *unmetered bandwidth The cost per host would be approx. 20 USD/month. Let me know if any of you would be interested in something like this. Regards, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 9 10:02:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h39DwTb30950; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:58:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:58:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Looptalk@aol.com Message-ID: <1db.720388c.2bc580e0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:57:52 EDT Subject: EDP for sale on Ebay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here is the ebay item # 2522360284 Oberheim EDP with 198 seconds, loop 3 V5.0, footpedal and manual. 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If you have questions email me directly at openjam@aol.com TQ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 9 12:54:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h39Gr4a21031; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 12:53:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 12:53:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Original-Recipient: Message-ID: <005801c2feb8$71e84440$9df441d5@ljudform> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_Eriksson?= To: References: <20030408175551.33207.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> <000a01c2fdfa$4c7591e0$8628a8c0@CAMPBEBOWIN2K> Subject: Re: Babatunde Olatunji passes on Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 18:52:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/09/obituaries/09OLAT.html April 9, 2OO3 Babatunde Olatunji, Nigerian Drummer, Dies at 76 By JON PARELES Babatunde Olatunji, the Nigerian drummer, bandleader and teacher who was a tireless ambassador for African music and culture in the United States, died on Sunday in Salinas, Calif. He was 76 and lived at the Esalen Institute in Big Sur, Calif. The cause was complications of advanced diabetes, said his daughter Modupe Olantunji Anuku. Mr. Olatunji's 1959 album, "Drums of Passion," was the first album of African drumming recorded in stereo in an American studio, and it introduced a generation to the power and intricacy of African music. While field recordings of African drumming had been available, "Drums of Passion" reached a mass public with its vivid sound and exotic song titles like "Primitive Fire." Mr. Olatunji was born and reared in Ajido, a fishing and trading village pervaded by Yoruba culture, and he made it his lifework to bring village memories to audiences everywhere. His band of drummers, singers and dancers evoked both the village's music and its masquerades, with outsize figures dancing in elaborate raffia costumes. His credo was: "Rhythm is the soul of life. The whole universe revolves in rhythm. Everything and every human action revolves in rhythm." In 195O Mr. Olatunji received a scholarship to attend Morehouse College in Atlanta. He was planning to become a diplomat. He studied public administration at New York University, where he formed an African-style ensemble that eventually turned into his full-time occupation. The group performed at concerts and at civil rights rallies led by the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. After the group appeared with an orchestra at Radio City Music Hall, Mr. Olatunji was signed to Columbia Records. Mr. Olatunji secured foundation grants to tour schools. Among the students who were impressed by his performances - dressed in African robes and playing hand-hewn goat-hide drums - was Mickey Hart, who would go on to join the Grateful Dead and later recharge Mr. Olatunji's career. "Drums of Passion" made Mr. Olatunji the most visible African musician in the United States. Bob Dylan cited him alongside King and Willie Mays in "I Shall Be Free" in 1963. "Drums of Passion" was hugely influential among musicians, helping to spark a wave of African-jazz fusions in the early 196O's. "Jin-Go-Lo-Ba," from "Drums of Passion," was remade as "Jingo" to become the first single by Santana in 1969. Mr. Olatunji mixed African music and jazz on his albums for Columbia in the 196O's. He was a featured performer at the African Pavilion of the 1964 New York World's Fair. With support from John Coltrane, he established the Olatunji Center for African Culture in Harlem, which offered music and dance lessons to children until 1988. After his Columbia contract ended in 1965, Mr. Olatunji continued to perform, record and teach. Mr. Hart invited him to open for the Grateful Dead's New Year's Eve show in Oakland, Calif., in 1985, introducing his music to a new audience. Mr. Hart also persuaded his label, Rykodisc, to rerelease two independently recorded 198O's albums by Mr. Olatunji: "Drums of Passion: The Beat" (1986), which included guest appearances by the guitarist Carlos Santana, and "Drums of Passion: The Invocation" (1988), featuring Yoruba chants. Mr. Olatunji recorded and toured during the 199O's as a member of Mr. Hart's world-beat supergroup, Planet Drum, and made an instructional videotape, "African Drumming," released in 1996. He moved to Washington and then to Big Sur, where he became an artist in residence at Esalen. Mr. Olatunji also continued to lead his own group, Drums of Passion, which included students and family members: his daughter Modupe and his seven grandchildren. He is also survived by his wife, Amy Bush Olatunji, from whom he is separated; two sons, Omotola Olatunji, of Brooklyn, and Niyi Esubiyi, of Belle Meade, N.J.; another daughter, Folasade Olatunji Olusekun of Boston; and a brother, Dr. Akinsola Akiwowo, of Alexandria, Va. Mr. Olatunji's most recent album, "Love Drum Talk" (Chesky) was released in 1997 and was nominated for a Grammy Award. Columbia reissued an expanded version of the original "Drums of Passion" last year, and Mr. Olatunji completed a new album earlier this year. << >> << >> << >> << >> << >> Copyright 2OO3 The New York Times Company << >> << >> << >> << >> << >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 9 13:13:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h39HBVn24867; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 13:11:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 13:11:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030409171046.80178.qmail@web80403.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 13:10:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Fab Claxton Subject: SP-505 Manual To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <2LnrnD.A.1CG.dQFl-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, I've just bought an SP-505 on eBay, but the instruction manual isn't included. Does anybody know where I can find it in pdf form (or any other form for that matter)? Your help would be greatly appreciated! Fab Claxton ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 9 13:25:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h39HKBn25768; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 13:20:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 13:20:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20030409191007.0306f008@pop.chello.se> X-Sender: mpf7428@pop.chello.se X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 19:20:25 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jair-Rohm Subject: Getting rid of the Vortex... In-Reply-To: <200304081440.h38EejB21584@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_27525139==.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_27525139==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable High; Well, after considerable experimentation i've decided to get rid of the=20 Vortex and get a Line 6 Filter Modeler to go along with my Line 6 Delay=20 Modeler and Jamman. The Vortex is cool. Deep in fact. Really deep. After=20 investigating it and reading everything i could find on the subject (here's= =20 an especially nice page http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortecho.htm) i've= =20 concluded that i could do anything that the Vortex offers with the two Line= =20 6 boxes and expression pedals. A lot easier also. I found the Vortex=20 operating system to be less intuitive than the Line 6 devices. Plus, stomp= =20 boxes are much more immediate than rack mounts (when you're working live). So what's the point of this post? Well, if anyone has any compelling=20 arguments for the Vortex over the Delay Mod/Filter Mod combination i'd like= =20 to hear them. Thanks and happy looping. Jair-R=F4hm Parker Wells ---------------------------------------------------------------- Glass Thought Communications "Records for people to listen to at home." +46 708 940893 --=====================_27525139==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable High;

Well, after considerable experimentation i've decided to get rid of the Vortex and get a Line 6 Filter Modeler to go along with my Line 6 Delay Modeler and Jamman. The Vortex is cool. Deep in fact. Really deep. After investigating it and reading everything i could find on the subject (here's an especially nice page http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortecho.htm) i've concluded that i could do anything that the Vortex offers with the two Line 6 boxes and expression pedals. A lot easier also. I found the Vortex operating system to be less intuitive than the Line 6 devices. Plus, stomp boxes are much more immediate than rack mounts (when you're working live).

So what's the point of this post? Well, if anyone has any compelling arguments for the Vortex over the Delay Mod/Filter Mod combination i'd like to hear them.

Thanks and happy looping.

Jair-R=F4hm Parker Wells




Hello list
 
I hope this isn't considered too off = topic but I=20 was looking for a mic recommendation. I want to make ambient location = recordings=20 with a Roland MS-1 battery powered sampler. This will sample to a 20mb = flash=20 disk at 44.1khz 16 bits so I want a fairly decent mic to capture the=20 audio.
 
I've heard good things about these http://www.core-sound.com/= lcmics.html but=20 would prefer to find something in the UK so it can be returned if the = results=20 aren't great. Any ideas?
 
Thanks,
 
Mike
------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C2FF4A.BB31C8A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 10 05:41:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3A9Xlm03956; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 05:33:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 05:33:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 05:33:07 -0400 From: Jhsidlo@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Hard Drive Recorders MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <5117E519.3D4ADEC6.0017F279@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <3fIGxC.A.v8.bpTl-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm looking for recommendations on hard drive recorders from the $200-$800 range.Histories of dependability would be nice. I'm looking at Fostex, Yamaha, Roland and Tascam. I'd need at least four simultaneous recordable tracks (eight would be better).With a cdr burner. If this is too off topic, please respond to my e-mail address. Thanks, James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 10 05:58:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3A9sp506406; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 05:54:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 05:54:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030410095425.34414.qmail@web21505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 02:54:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: Hard Drive Recorders To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5117E519.3D4ADEC6.0017F279@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just picked up a Fostex VF160 and I can't believe the quality of the thing. Sounds like it has everything you are needing. 8 simultaneous recordable tracks - all 16 can be recorded simultaneously if you use an optional adat and comes with a cdr burner and 20 gig hard drive. If you chuck the manual (fostex doesn't seem to know how to translate a manual written in japanese to english very well) the thing is pretty damn easy to use. E-mail me off list if you need more info. --- Jhsidlo@aol.com wrote: > I'm looking for recommendations on hard drive > recorders from the $200-$800 range.Histories of > dependability would be nice. I'm looking at Fostex, > Yamaha, Roland and Tascam. I'd need at least four > simultaneous recordable tracks (eight would be > better).With a cdr burner. > If this is too off topic, please respond to my > e-mail address. > > Thanks, James > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 10 09:51:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3ADjQV12569; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 09:45:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 09:45:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1049982275.3e9575430e72e@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 09:44:35 -0400 From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Getting rid of the Vortex... References: <6699973E-6B17-11D7-A505-0003934CD2FA@zerocrossing.net> In-Reply-To: <6699973E-6B17-11D7-A505-0003934CD2FA@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 64.40.76.242 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting Mark Sottilaro : > while I've grown to really like this way of working. It's like > threading a tape machine. A limitation, but one that can be good to > work with. yes, working with the echoplex got me used to the fact i would have to "prime" a loop. > Don't hold your breath. I'm not saying the Repeater is for you. It's > far from perfect, but most interesting gear has it's quirks. i'm not holding it. i think dave torn put it best when he said ... well whatever it was that he said about that. i remember him liking all his loopers for different reasons. i've realised that maybe rhythm-oriented looper loopers aren't the best for me, but i'd love to be proven wrong. > Show me a > moog that's a perfect instrument and I'll.. well you get the idea. you haven't seen my Liberation, have you? haha ... just kidding. actually i played a Moog V'ger a couple weeks ago and felt it was the first Moog i'd ever played that could replace my Liberation. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.comt ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 10 09:59:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3ADswU13929; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 09:54:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 09:54:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: Hard Drive Recorders Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 09:54:32 -0400 Message-ID: <97ED298C4FEF7841A113183E5129476F41244B@hurricane.keene.edu> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Hard Drive Recorders Thread-Index: AcL/R3T97UiDbdlGQkmBmjg4wg6cOgAIRLYg From: "Sanger, Kirk" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h3ADsbZ13728 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am selling a Roland vs-1880, it came bundled with Logic audio, I have a hardshell case and all manuals with it. Contact of the list at ksanger@keene.edu if you are interested. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Squid Loop [mailto:tentacle_joe@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 5:54 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hard Drive Recorders I just picked up a Fostex VF160 and I can't believe the quality of the thing. Sounds like it has everything you are needing. 8 simultaneous recordable tracks - all 16 can be recorded simultaneously if you use an optional adat and comes with a cdr burner and 20 gig hard drive. If you chuck the manual (fostex doesn't seem to know how to translate a manual written in japanese to english very well) the thing is pretty damn easy to use. E-mail me off list if you need more info. --- Jhsidlo@aol.com wrote: > I'm looking for recommendations on hard drive > recorders from the $200-$800 range.Histories of > dependability would be nice. I'm looking at Fostex, > Yamaha, Roland and Tascam. I'd need at least four > simultaneous recordable tracks (eight would be > better).With a cdr burner. > If this is too off topic, please respond to my > e-mail address. > > Thanks, James > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 10 10:46:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3AEeQP21920; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 10:40:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 10:40:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002801c2ff6e$fb0aa720$0100a8c0@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <16f.1cf36ff2.2bc5db8f@aol.com> Subject: Re: Getting rid of the Vortex... Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:39:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Heres my turn to express my love for the Vortex you may remember that I was talking about getting a PCM80 to replace the vortex, I bought one, beautiful, took the place of the vortex in the rack but it just isnt the same you cannot replace the vortex and it went back into the rack and instead I retired my quadraverb 1. the main reason for me was that one song (my albums : vive la force jaune ) wich I like to play and is _the_ vortex song. A panning delay that has a cool filter slow swell (Atmosphere B) and the pedal is patched to the enveloppe param wich brings in the modulators The vortex has this crazy accident quality that the most programmable and powerful toy have lost I love it Claude PS:you can even extract the tempo from the EDP's beat sync out thanks to M Grob's diode trick (search the archives...:=) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 10 11:12:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3AFBXr27861; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:11:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:11:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.113.244.224] X-Originating-Email: [jdwinger@hotmail.com] From: "James Winger" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Getting rid of the Vortex... Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 09:11:08 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2003 15:11:08.0906 (UTC) FILETIME=[6A458CA0:01C2FF73] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I got rid of my votrex mainly because the UI annoyed me The sounds within the unit I liked very much though The unit has a bunch of potential (which honestly I didn't exploit) -- I was definitely going through the "I don't want to hassle with another UI" phase (too much of that at work I guess), so my opinions have a slant to them. I realize that Lexicon was shooting for a more moderately priced unit, I do have to wonder if the interfaing (UI/MIDI) feature strip negatively impacted the sales of the unit. I think if one is willing to use the interface (it may not bother some), there is a lot of good stuff in there _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 10 11:26:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3AFMtP29668; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:22:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:22:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:25:03 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Ibanez DM1000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight-d@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00ed01c2ff75$7f686600$1912be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200304100910.h3A9Akw01253@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings, good people of Loop- I picked up an Ibanez DM1000 at a yard sale for an obscenely low amount of money last summer and just fired it up a couple of nights ago. Two questions: 1) I tried searching online for a manual, but no luck. It's an easy unit to use, but I'd like to have the document, if only for spec's sake. 2) As fun as it may be, I may well sell it. It's in very good cosmetic condition (one knob missing, otherwise very clean) and sounds flawless. To paraphrase the Don, "Make me an offer. I can't refuse." More info re. the unit's features, etc. are available if you e-mail me at coyotelk@optonline.net Douglas Baldwin, the coyote who may yet turn Long Island into Looper's Island From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 10 11:31:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3AFRQx30314; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:27:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:27:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:29:52 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Orville To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight-d@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00f001c2ff76$105f4ca0$1912be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200304100910.h3A9Akw01253@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8H9gGD.A.nWH.l0Yl-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Since Angelo did that great writeup of the Orville, why not post the info on the Looping Tools page of the LD web site? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 10 11:40:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3AFXFp31199; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:33:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:33:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Ibanez DM1000 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 17:32:47 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <002001c2ff76$70aaa2d0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <00ed01c2ff75$7f686600$1912be18@oemcomputer> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h3AFWpZ31095 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Från: Douglas Baldwin [mailto:coyotelk@optonline.net] > Greetings, good people of Loop- > I picked up an Ibanez DM1000 at a yard sale for an > obscenely low amount of money Wow, THAT old unit!!! ;-D Brings me some nice memories from discovering live looping back in the early eighties. I used a DM1000 with a pedal for the hold function. Not precisely an EDP, but ok as long as you only need one loop in a given tempo. Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com --> 1st Swedish Looping Festival From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 10 11:42:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3AFd7d32141; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:39:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:39:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 17:38:49 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:Orville?= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Italo_De_Angelis?=" To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Loopers-Delight?=" X-XaM3-API-Version: 3.2 R29 (B54 pl1) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 80.180.21.147 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h3AFctZ32089 Resent-Message-ID: <-zRi0.A.s1H.QAZl-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Douglas I second that! I asked about it when I posted that long piece of info...a lot of work. Hopefully Kim listens.... ;-) best Italo DE ANGELIS Since Angelo did that great writeup of the Orville, why not post the info on the Looping Tools page of the LD web site? ___________________________________________ Italo De Angelis Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division italo@eventide.com EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 10 11:56:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3AFrfU02346; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:53:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:53:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: Orville Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 10:53:18 -0500 Message-ID: <004c01c2ff79$4e2fb3f0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i think someone else needs to make an html and submit it... > > Since Angelo did that great writeup of the Orville, why not > post the info on the Looping Tools page of the LD web site? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 10 12:01:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3AFvwr03075; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:57:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:57:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c2ff79$e04d8e60$0100a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <002001c2ff76$70aaa2d0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> Subject: Re: Ibanez DM1000 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:57:12 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 16:32:PM Subject: SV: Ibanez DM1000 > > Från: Douglas Baldwin [mailto:coyotelk@optonline.net] > > > Greetings, good people of Loop- > > I picked up an Ibanez DM1000 at a yard sale for an > > obscenely low amount of money > > Wow, THAT old unit!!! ;-D Brings me some nice memories from discovering > live looping back in the early eighties. I used a DM1000 with a pedal > for the hold function. Not precisely an EDP, but ok as long as you only > need one loop in a given tempo. Alas, I sold the DM1000 I had in 1987 to make rent. The loop as such was only 1200ms long, which suited itself for fast stuff if anything. I agree with the others though. Very clean sound. I miss the flange effect now that you reminded me of it. :) Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Other - Quasi-Daily Cartoon http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 10 12:08:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3AG5H705687; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 12:05:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 12:05:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 09:04:42 -0700 Subject: Re: Tax Strategies for LOOPERS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: nathan pease To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030410064526.73809.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <24245D9E-6B6E-11D7-B09C-000393CE40C6@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I spoke last year with the person who does my taxes about deducting music expenses, and the thing that I remember being key was that I be making money from music. So you report your income from music, and then report your expenses from music. For those of us with other means of income, you're allowed to report a loss for some number of years (three?), but at some point you're supposed to be making more money from your business venture (music) than you're spending. If you report a loss for some number of years in a row it's helpful to provide proof that you are actually trying to make a profit, for example reporting advertising expenses. nathan On Wednesday, April 9, 2003, at 11:45 PM, John Tidwell wrote: > --- jimfowler wrote: >> how does one go about deducting music equipment >> purchases from your taxes? >> does music have to be your sole (or main) source of >> income...thus making it >> a business expense? >> >> -jim > > It's been a while since I've done this stuff, but... > > Income is a key word. You would need to be bringing > in some money related to the equipment in question > or at least have a business plan to show a reasonable > expectation of making a go of it. > > Business is another key word. Most of us make music > for fun. Maybe we call it a hobby or artistic > expression. Neither one counts for much on a tax > return. Business intent could be demonstrated by > keeping the equipment in an area dedicated for > business use. A port-a-studio in your bedroom doesn't > cut it. Building a studio in your basement or back > yard might. > > In any case, most of the equipment we use would be > depreciated over a number of years rather than > expensed all at once. In a business setting, guitar > strings might be expensed since they are "used up" > within a year. Your brand new Eventide is expected > to last a bit longer however. > > I seem to to recall that there are some special rules > that apply to performing artists. There might even be > an IRS publication devoted to the topic. > > I'm afraid that I dealt with more Amway salesmen than > musicians (shudder). > > John > > > > > > > > > > ===== > John Tidwell > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > http://tax.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 10 12:12:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3AGBGG06914; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 12:11:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 12:11:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 09:03:01 -0700 Subject: Re: Getting rid of the Vortex... From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4D4C3E2C-6AFD-11D7-ACE2-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 4/9/03 7:36 PM, mark at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > Hell, when I got the Repeater I longed for the > functionality of the JamMan. After seeing Max Valentino demo Bob Sellon's upgrade for the Jamman, I was rather wishing I had one and I've got multiple EDPs. My summary of what was cool: Good: 4 tracks that can be panned and I believe mixed (yeah, the Repeater has that). Not so good: All tracks the same length. Really good: You can switch between tracks and have each track be in essentially, hold (it keeps playing), overdub with variable feedback, or fade with variable feedback (essentially overdub with no input). It's that last part about fading tracks that seemed particularly attractive since the Repeater will only use feedback on tracks while recording to them. Good: You can also just do an automated volume fade on a track and then restore the volume. I've done this sort of thing with multiple EDPs before and while it's a lot more powerful than the Jamman, it's also a lot more complicated from a control standpoint. Mark P.S. Of course, at the other end of the price scale, Dennis also made the Kyma seem rather attractive. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 10 12:20:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3AGJEj08120; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 12:19:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 12:19:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030410091707.0345de68@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 09:18:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re:Orville In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I intend to but I'm too busy right now. Rather than complaining, maybe you could try offering to help out. kim At 08:38 AM 4/10/2003, Douglas wrote: >Since Angelo did that great writeup of the Orville, why not post the info on >the Looping Tools page of the LD web site? > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 10 12:20:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3AGJ9f08115; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 12:19:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 12:19:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 18:18:24 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_Orville?= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Italo_De_Angelis?=" To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Loopers-Delight?=" X-XaM3-API-Version: 3.2 R29 (B54 pl1) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 80.180.21.147 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h3AGITZ07970 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Would it be fine to open it in Word and save as html? Italo i think someone else needs to make an html and submit it... > > Since Angelo did that great writeup of the Orville, why not > post the info on the Looping Tools page of the LD web site? > > ___________________________________________ Italo De Angelis Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division italo@eventide.com EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 10 12:31:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3AGKkJ08441; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 12:20:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 12:20:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 09:20:18 -0700 Subject: Loopstock 2003 From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hans did a great job this year. The venue was impressive. That probably made the audience seem even thinner than it was, but the large stage made it reasonable to have a lot of people set up at once. (I just wish I hadn't had to strike my gear so that I could have joined in on some of the multi-looper jams.) The clinics were great. This was something where it worked well having a small, technically savvy audience. And again the space worked well. There was enough room for everyone to set up so we didn't have long pauses between clinics and there was space for the audience to get close. The combination of hardware demos with Rick Walker's helping us all to develop a better sense of rhythm was a very pleasant mix. I'll try to get some pictures processed and posted soon though I'll probably have to clear some MP3s off of my site to make room. Thanks, Hans! Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 10 13:17:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3AH56j14810; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:05:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:05:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004101c2ff81$fd9c05c0$bf08fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: Subject: Re: Loopstock 2003 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 10:55:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just want to chime in and say that I'm amazed and extremely happy that events like Loopstock are generated by the members of this list. I hope to be able to make it out to a loop convention someday. This year it just wasn't in the stars, and I'm really bummed because it sounds like it was an amazing time. Anyway, thanks Hans and everybody who participated in any capacity. Wish I could have made it. Sincerely, Jesse From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 10 18:03:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3ALuII21146; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 17:56:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 17:56:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:54:29 -0700 Subject: loopstock03 From: To: looper people Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well-finally decompressing after a long wknd...a word of thanks to hans for again putting on an impressive show all the way around. i am humbled to be associated w/ such a classy bunch o'looper people...i had a ball. lets do it again...soon! seeya stan(itarium) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 11 09:26:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3BDKtB31244; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 09:20:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 09:20:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004e01c3002c$db6caf80$41e45cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #316 for April 10, 2003 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 09:18:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004B_01C3000B.479E41E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <3dkwX.A.alH.JEsl-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C3000B.479E41E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each = Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in = Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #316 April 10, 2003. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on vidnaObmana, an = international ambient artist from Belgium who will play an in-studio radio concert on = the April 17th broadcast of EMUSIC and a concert at the next Soundscapes in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania on April 19. The Featured CD at Midnight was = "Spore" on the Relapse label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Ages" by Edgar Froese on Virgin = Records. I played the music of Vir Unis and James Johnson who will be at the next Gathering on April 12 in Philadelphia. I also played the music of Matt = Borghi who, with Jason Sloan, will appears on the same bill with vidnaObmana at = the Gate to Moonbase Alpha on April 18 also in Philadelphia. vidnaObmana - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#apr The Soundscapes Concert Series - http://soundscapes.us The Gate to Moonbase Alpha - http://foundationarts.org The Gatherings Concert Series - http://thegatherings.org PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 11:00 pm Edgar Froses Childrens Deeper Study Ages (Virgin) Hypnosphere Sleepwalk Within the Whirl = (Spheric) Vir Unis and Geometry of Recursion Perimeter (In the = Bubble Music James Johnson and Zero Music) Matt Borghi Wonder-filled Illusion Elegy for Time (Space = for Music) Ken Martin Impressions Berlin Impressions Vol. = 3 (Space for Music) Gordon Rhyne and Luminosity Ecstasis (Space for = Music) Zero Ohms 12:00 am vidnaObmana Through the Collective Spore (Relapse) Pain vidnaObmana The Humanity Underneath Spore (Relapse) vidnaObmana Skin Strip Spore (Relapse) vidnaObmana Duality of Passion Spore (Relapse) vidnaObmana Beyond the Shaman Spore (Relapse) vidnaObmana The Nihilist Spore (Relapse) vidnaObmana Creep-Isolation Trip Spore (Relapse) vidnaObmana Spore * Spore (Relapse) 1:00 am * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on vidnaObmana. = The Featured CD at Midnight will be replaced by a live, in-studio radio = concert by vidnaObmana. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Grand Canyon" by Tomita on = the RCA Red Seal label. I will also play the music of Mother Mallard's Portable Masterpiece = Company who will be appearing at the Gatherings concert series on May 10. Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, = Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in = Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click = LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C3000B.479E41E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs = each=20 Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and = 93.9 FM=20 in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
 
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  Show = #316  April=20 10, 2003.
 

RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on=20 vidnaObmana, an international
ambient artist from Belgium who will = play an=20 in-studio radio concert on the
April 17th broadcast of EMUSIC and a = concert=20 at the next Soundscapes in
Bethlehem, Pennsylvania on April 19.  = The=20 Featured CD at Midnight was "Spore"
on the Relapse label.
 
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Ages" by Edgar Froese on Virgin=20 Records.
 
I played the music of Vir Unis and James Johnson who will be at the = next
Gathering on April 12 in Philadelphia.  I also played the = music of=20 Matt Borghi
who, with Jason Sloan, will appears on the same bill with = vidnaObmana at the
Gate to Moonbase Alpha on April 18 also in=20 Philadelphia.
 
vidnaObmana - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#apr
=
The Soundscapes Concert Series - http://soundscapes.us
The Gate to Moonbase Alpha - http://foundationarts.org
The Gatherings Concert Series - http://thegatherings.org
 

PLAYLIST:
 
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11:00 pm
Edgar=20 Froses            = Childrens Deeper Study   Ages=20 (Virgin)
Hypnosphere        &n= bsp;   =20 Sleepwalk          &nbs= p;    =20 Within the Whirl (Spheric)
Vir Unis=20 and            = Geometry=20 of Recursion    Perimeter (In the Bubble Music
  = James=20 Johnson           =             &= nbsp;           =20 and Zero Music)
Matt=20 Borghi           &= nbsp;=20 Wonder-filled Illusion   Elegy for Time (Space=20 for
           =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;  =20 Music)
Ken=20 Martin           &= nbsp; =20 Impressions          &n= bsp;  =20 Berlin Impressions Vol.=20 3
           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;  =20 (Space for Music)
Gordon Rhyne = and       =20 Luminosity          &nb= sp;   =20 Ecstasis (Space for Music)
  Zero Ohms
 
12:00=20 am
vidnaObmana         &n= bsp;  =20 Through the Collective   Spore=20 (Relapse)
          =             &= nbsp;  =20 Pain
vidnaObmana         =    =20 The Humanity Underneath  Spore=20 (Relapse)
vidnaObmana        &= nbsp;   =20 Skin=20 Strip           &n= bsp;  =20 Spore=20 (Relapse)
vidnaObmana        &= nbsp;   =20 Duality of Passion       Spore=20 (Relapse)
vidnaObmana        &= nbsp;   =20 Beyond the Shaman        Spore=20 (Relapse)
vidnaObmana        &= nbsp;   =20 The=20 Nihilist           = ; =20 Spore=20 (Relapse)
vidnaObmana        &= nbsp;   =20 Creep-Isolation Trip     Spore=20 (Relapse)
vidnaObmana        &= nbsp;   =20 Spore=20 *            =      =20 Spore (Relapse)
 
1:00 am
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
 

NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long = focus on=20 vidnaObmana.  The
Featured CD at Midnight will be replaced by a = live,=20 in-studio radio concert by
vidnaObmana.
 
The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Grand Canyon" by Tomita = on the=20 RCA
Red Seal label.
 
I will also play the music of Mother Mallard's Portable Masterpiece = Company
who will be appearing at the Gatherings concert series on May = 10.
 
Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient,  and space music show,  = Thursdays=20 at 11
pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and = 93.9 FM=20 in  Easton
and Phillipsburg.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org  and click =20 LISTEN
EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic<= /A>
To=20 subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!]=20 at
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 ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C3000B.479E41E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 11 10:58:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3BEv4v12312; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:57:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:57:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:56:33 EDT Subject: Re: Vortex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > PS:you can even extract the tempo from the EDP's beat sync out thanks to > M Grob's diode trick (search the archives...:=) > find it on Lexicon Vortex Database approved by Matthias himself From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 11 11:54:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3BFpNk22280; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 11:51:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 11:51:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Mistsojorn@aol.com Message-ID: <1ea.65863e7.2bc83e4d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 11:50:37 EDT Subject: Promo: vidnaObmana-4/18-Philly To: ambient@hyperreal.org, darkwave@yahoogroups.com, electronicaworld@yahoogroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, phiba-improv@topica.com, philadelphiamusicscene@yahoogroups.com, phillygrooves@onelist.com, phillyshows@yahoogroups.com, sacrednoise@yahoogroups.com, akashmusicnewsgroup@yahoogroups.com, the_ambient_way@yahoogroups.com CC: droneon@lists.quartzcity.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 66 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h3BFoqB22159 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Please distribute widely. Contact me offlist to help flyer for this event. vidnaObmana will apear at the Gate to Moonbase Alpha Ambient/Experimental Series on Friday, April 18 at The Rotunda: 4014 Walnut St., Phila. 8pm-12am. Admission is Free for all ages. More info: http://www.foundationarts.org, 215-573-3234. Other stellar acts on this bill are: Matt Borghi (http://www.mattborghi.com) and Jason Sloan (http://www.jasonsloan.org), Stares to Nowhere (http://www.starestonowhere.com), The Cosmic Joke, The Great Quentini (performance art), David Gerbstadt (film+oil projections; http://www.gerbstadt.net), and VJ Cut to the Chase. Ambient musician vidnaObmana is one of spacemusic's brightest stars.   Using synthesizers, audio processors, and a vast array of exotic instruments, Belgian electronic musician vidnaObmana creates a complex, layered musical journey through rhythms, timbres, loops, and sonic atmospheres.   The name vidnaObmana means "optical illusion" in Serbo-Croation, a term he picked up while vacationing in Croatia during his childhood.   He chose this phrase as his musical persona to illustrate how his music correlates sonically with the surreal soundscapes he creates.   vidnaObmana is a prolific composer whose diverse body of work ranges from post-industrial through gently atmospheric, to tribal ambient and more.   His music slowly shifts through electronic audio imagery, creating extremely personal works of atmospheric delight. Throughout his career, vidnaObmana has explored the abrasive side of electronic composition, using freeform soundscapes, international music traditions, and post-classical experimentations.   His music has been released widely by many independent labels worldwide, including: Release/Relapse, Amplexus, Extreme, Hypnos, Mirage, Multimood, Projekt and others.   vidnaObmana will make another area appearance Saturday, April 19, at The Soundscapes Concert Series, in Bethlehem, PA. Info: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 11 12:40:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3BGdFI00505; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 12:39:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 12:39:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 09:45:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Loopstock 2003 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had a blast at Loopstock this year, I really want to thank you Hans, for all the effort you put in to making it happen. I know you were disappointed with the turnout, but it didn't matter, anyone of us who performed, or were spectators had a great time and the vibe was happening, as was the music. It was a great event from the start, with Dennis Leas' amazing Kyma demo and palm pilot librarian for EDP. I marveled at what Max V was able to do with the jamman with Bob Sellion upgrade. Makes me wanna dust mine off and install the chip, bugs or no bugs. I also appreciated his philosophical take on the art of looping. I felt I gave a somewhat uneven clinic on the Repeater. I didn't take the time to prepare and I felt like I wandered a bit. I hope I got across at least a few tips and insights. A good lesson in being prepared..Rick's talk on looping strategies and perception of time was a great change of pace from the tech talk and I think everyone came away with an expanded view of rhythmic (LOL) The performances, beginning with Hans' Phat Beats and Bass grooves, were excellent. Everyone to a man (hhhmm, where were the LoopLadies?), had really evolved since the last time this happened. It seemed to me that everyone had really been working on developing their looping concepts and it reflected in the performances. Everyone was so much more polished, Max's loop transitions were so seamless, and his stage sound was impeccable. There were more risks being taken by the percussionists, with Steve Rice picking up the Bass, Jon Wagner playing a cool little Korg synth, and Rick playing the dulcimer (though he wouldn't take my request to do some Joni!). In each case it really added to each performers set, Stan Card's first piece was very cool and very different from his atmospheric surf music. Right on Stanitarium for trying something new. Mark Hamburg created lovely soundscapes and seemed to have a greatly expanded sonic palette. Jon Whooley played an beautiful soprano sax duet, and cool, funny, over the top vocal beat box stuff, and, like Rick, showed how much music can be made with a couple of DL4's, and a vivid imagination. I had a nearly glitch free set (my fcb1010 shut down a couple of times due to schmutz in the power cord socket, damn). I think I had a good set, thought the highlight for me was the collaborative music that I played with both Max and Jon Wagner, particularly the improve that closed the show, which was particularly sublime. Thanks to both men for being so generous with their set times. All in all, a great event and thanks again to Hans for making it happen. Bill Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 11 12:41:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3BGefo00894; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 12:40:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 12:40:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 09:40:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Raül Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: cd-r exchange Reply-To: rauboto@ad-free.info X-Originating-Ip: [80.58.38.107] Message-Id: <20030411164005.0F294470D@sitemail.everyone.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h3BGe6B00710 Resent-Message-ID: <5hgNvD.A.ZL.m_ul-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there! I'd like to trade one cd-r copy of our last work "Sirdis", for one of yours. It consists, mainly, of improvisations recorded live to 2-track, by two person: tapping guitarist + elec.perc/mix/treat guy. And of course it has loopy content ... Can anybody send me the actual e-mail address of David C. Orton? Thanks in advance. Yours, Raül Bonell. The Playing Orchestra _____________________________________________________________ totally advertising-free: http://www.ad-free-portal.biz/ http://www.ad-free.biz/ http://www.ad-free.info/ _____________________________________________________________ http://www.ad-free.info/adfreemail.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 11 16:45:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3BKigf05938; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 16:44:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 16:44:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.113.244.224] X-Originating-Email: [jdwinger@hotmail.com] From: "James Winger" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 14:44:03 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2003 20:44:04.0129 (UTC) FILETIME=[16D87110:01C3006B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andy; thanks very much for maintaining your vortex site -- I think it's pretty much the web hub resource for things Vortex. From: SoundFNR@aol.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:56:33 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from mc7-f34.law1.hotmail.com ([65.54.253.41]) by mc7-s8.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Fri, 11 Apr 2003 07:57:26 -0700 Received: from hemlock.violacea.com ([207.228.238.9]) by mc7-f34.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Fri, 11 Apr 2003 07:57:01 -0700 Received: (from looper@localhost)by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3BEulp12264;Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:56:47 -0400 X-Message-Info: LGjzam7y+Lu7G8gcFEEZirJlC5XBY/8b Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:56:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Return-Path: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2003 14:57:01.0982 (UTC) FILETIME=[9BE0F3E0:01C3003A] > PS:you can even extract the tempo from the EDP's beat sync out thanks to > M Grob's diode trick (search the archives...:=) > find it on Lexicon Vortex Database approved by Matthias himself _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 11 18:43:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3BMfl030327; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 18:41:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 18:41:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E9744A5.3831023B@cloud9.net> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 18:41:41 -0400 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Getting rid of the Vortex... References: <200304100910.h3A9Akw01253@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiVirus: checked by Vexira MailArmor (version: 2.0.1.7; VAE: 6.19.0.3; VDF: 6.19.0.6; host: russian-caravan.cloud9.net) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, Mark, just having bought a Minimoog Voyager, I'd have to say, "pretty darn close" to perfect Absolutely *amazing* sound! Of course, if it were perfect, I wouldn't have had to ship it back to the factory to repair a dead keyboard :( And then there's the UI, but that's a different issue. Elby > Subject: Re: Getting rid of the Vortex... > Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 22:43:47 -0700 > From: Mark Sottilaro > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Don't hold your breath. I'm not saying the Repeater is for you. It's > far from perfect, but most interesting gear has it's quirks. Show me a > moog that's a perfect instrument and I'll.. well you get the idea. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 11 18:58:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3BMvgZ01068; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 18:57:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 18:57:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E97485C.4EA9D777@cloud9.net> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 18:57:32 -0400 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Getting rid of the Vortex... References: <200304100305.h3A35A020867@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiVirus: checked by Vexira MailArmor (version: 2.0.1.7; VAE: 6.19.0.3; VDF: 6.19.0.6; host: russian-caravan.cloud9.net) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm also a long-term MPX-1 owner who simply loves it. I'm curious as to what it is about the MPX-G2 that made it an "also buy", Mark? Thanks, Elby > Subject: Re: Getting rid of the Vortex... > Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 17:27:36 -0700 > From: mark > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > So, I actually got the MPX1 to replace the Vortex, and to be honest, > I've never looked back. If you're low on cash and looking for an > interesting box, the Vortex is your toy, no doubt. However, if you're > looking for better quality effects and easier control, the MPX1 is a > wonderful piece of kit. I liked it so much I ended up with a MPXG2 as > well, though I must say it's distortion patches can be kind of cold > sounding. Since I'm using a Rocktron Piranha in it's effects loop, > that's not an issue for me. > > Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 11 19:07:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3BN6jO03868; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 19:06:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 19:06:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: MPX-G2 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 16:06:19 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <3E97485C.4EA9D777@cloud9.net> Resent-Message-ID: <-CBCKC.A.D7.vp0l-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Elby wondered: >>I'm also a long-term MPX-1 owner who simply loves it. I'm curious as to what it is about the MPX-G2 that made it an "also buy", >>Mark? I'm still trying to figure out how to implement the one I bought--it has some great sounds, but is pretty involved, and I have spent time programming it. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 11 20:17:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3C0Eg812901; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 20:14:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 20:14:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 17:17:00 -0700 Subject: Re: Getting rid of the Vortex... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3E9744A5.3831023B@cloud9.net> Message-Id: <143AAD0A-6C7C-11D7-822C-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <09YO9C.A.AID.Up1l-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is that the billion dollar one with the wood cabinet? Holy moly did that look sweet, but man, I remember the feeling of my jaw hitting the ground when I saw it's price. Mark On Friday, April 11, 2003, at 03:41 PM, Mountain Man wrote: > Well, Mark, just having bought a Minimoog Voyager, I'd have to say, > "pretty darn > close" to perfect Absolutely *amazing* sound! Of course, if it > were perfect, I > wouldn't have had to ship it back to the factory to repair a dead > keyboard :( And > then there's the UI, but that's a different issue. > > Elby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 11 20:45:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3C0jFE17327; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 20:45:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 20:45:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 17:47:44 -0700 Subject: Re: Getting rid of the Vortex... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3E97485C.4EA9D777@cloud9.net> Message-Id: <5FB0B858-6C80-11D7-822C-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmm, I'm not sure if I'd call the MPX-G2 a "must buy" although I do like it. It's got that "hi-fi" sound I love. Rich deep complex tone. For clean sounds it's superb... but I can't help but wonder if another MPX1 would have been just as good. (Since I got the G2 for the price of an MPX1 with a MPXR1 controller, it doesn't matter to me). It's "tube amp" simulation is less than stellar in my opinion. Almost too "hi-fi". I like a juxtaposition of hi-fi and DIRT. However in the effects loop of my all tube Ampeg Reverbrocket it sounds amazing. When I'm going direct into a board I put a real tube pre (Rocktron Piranha) in it's effect loop. Here's my issues with the MPX-G2: Distorted patches aren't that good... some are OK for a good Fuzztone. JamMan... whatever. It's *not* a JamMan. It will sync a loop to a midi clock though. One of the reasons I got the G2 was because I thought if the JamMan feature was good, I could do a show with single space rack. Not happening. I'm spoiled with the Repeater's abilities and I can't go back! Add another 2 spaces. What about the nice tube sound? Add another. Oh, and my synth tones... add another 2. So much for that big idea... the dream of a small rig DASHED TO PIECES! Like Gary said, like most Lexicon gear be prepared to have your head in a manual for a while. If you know the MPX1, you'll be fine. The two are very similar and I was figuring out most if it in no time. I guess I'm used to stuff like this because I don't even notice that it's complex anymore. Working in music retail and figuring out used gear without manuals has made my gear fu strong! The great thing about it is it's POWERFUL. You can get *really* deep. So... if I had the chance to do it all again... I'd probably just get another MPX1... though I've not actually gone Rocktron into the MPX1 then into the board. Might need some sort of cab modeler afterwards... But don't take all this with too much weight. To be honest, I've been slammed at work and I have not spent enough time with the G2 and a lot of the time has been spent with headphones. I was hoping for a single rack space solution to a great guitar tone. (sans amp) I didn't get it. I keep getting the feeling that with some more digging I'm going to find some gold in that box. Well, more gold I should say, as right out of the box it's pretty impressive. Mark Sottilaro On Friday, April 11, 2003, at 03:57 PM, Mountain Man wrote: > I'm also a long-term MPX-1 owner who simply loves it. I'm curious as > to what it is about the MPX-G2 that made it an "also buy", Mark? > > Thanks, > Elby > > >> Subject: Re: Getting rid of the Vortex... >> Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 17:27:36 -0700 >> From: mark >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> So, I actually got the MPX1 to replace the Vortex, and to be honest, >> I've never looked back. If you're low on cash and looking for an >> interesting box, the Vortex is your toy, no doubt. However, if you're >> looking for better quality effects and easier control, the MPX1 is a >> wonderful piece of kit. I liked it so much I ended up with a MPXG2 as >> well, though I must say it's distortion patches can be kind of cold >> sounding. Since I'm using a Rocktron Piranha in it's effects loop, >> that's not an issue for me. >> >> Mark Sottilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 11 20:57:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3C0ulc18987; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 20:56:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 20:56:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: Tax Strategies for LOOPERS Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 17:56:09 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <24245D9E-6B6E-11D7-B09C-000393CE40C6@yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com there is, however... an alternative. i am the founder of an s-class corporation, an entity that i used in the past to do large corporate consulting projects with, where i had to hire staff and collect large bsuiness-to-business payments (ahh the good old days). since i've stopped doing this, having it around has been extremely useful. any corporation can be involved in whatever activities it likes, according to what the board of directors has decided the direction of the company should be. when the board of directors, president and secretary are all the same person (myself in this case), making decisions is very easy. so my company went from 'technology consulting' to 'researching profitability of music industry pursuits'. what this means is that anything i can spend, regardless of the nature of the expense, is a loss for the corporation. (there are certain categories of things, like food, which fall into special deduction categories where less than %100 of the item can be considered an expense). the balance of the corporation at the end of the year ends up on my personal tax return as negative income and therefore lowers my taxable income. i STRONGLY encourage anyone who has lots of miscellaneous expenses to investigate sole proprietorships, LLCs and corporations. they all have interesting sets of tax and legal benefits. for musicians, these types of structures can be huge money savers. also, they can aid organization of your expenses... it's a huge time saver not to have to worry about what you can and can't deduct. the US tax system has many little loopholes built into it... take advantage of as many of them as you can. paul > -----Original Message----- > From: nathan pease [mailto:n8pease@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 9:05 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Tax Strategies for LOOPERS > > > I spoke last year with the person who does my taxes about deducting > music expenses, and the thing that I remember being key was that I be > making money from music. So you report your income from music, and > then report your expenses from music. For those of us with other means > of income, you're allowed to report a loss for some number of years > (three?), but at some point you're supposed to be making more money > from your business venture (music) than you're spending. If you report > a loss for some number of years in a row it's helpful to provide proof > that you are actually trying to make a profit, for example reporting > advertising expenses. > > nathan > > On Wednesday, April 9, 2003, at 11:45 PM, John Tidwell wrote: > > > --- jimfowler wrote: > >> how does one go about deducting music equipment > >> purchases from your taxes? > >> does music have to be your sole (or main) source of > >> income...thus making it > >> a business expense? > >> > >> -jim > > > > It's been a while since I've done this stuff, but... > > > > Income is a key word. You would need to be bringing > > in some money related to the equipment in question > > or at least have a business plan to show a reasonable > > expectation of making a go of it. > > > > Business is another key word. Most of us make music > > for fun. Maybe we call it a hobby or artistic > > expression. Neither one counts for much on a tax > > return. Business intent could be demonstrated by > > keeping the equipment in an area dedicated for > > business use. A port-a-studio in your bedroom doesn't > > cut it. Building a studio in your basement or back > > yard might. > > > > In any case, most of the equipment we use would be > > depreciated over a number of years rather than > > expensed all at once. In a business setting, guitar > > strings might be expensed since they are "used up" > > within a year. Your brand new Eventide is expected > > to last a bit longer however. > > > > I seem to to recall that there are some special rules > > that apply to performing artists. There might even be > > an IRS publication devoted to the topic. > > > > I'm afraid that I dealt with more Amway salesmen than > > musicians (shudder). > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > John Tidwell > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > > http://tax.yahoo.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 11 21:54:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3C1nku24930; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 21:49:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 21:49:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20030412034704.02cc4d50@pop.chello.se> X-Sender: mpf7428@pop.chello.se X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 03:50:23 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jair-Rohm Subject: Re: Getting rid of the Vortex... In-Reply-To: <200304120057.h3C0vWk19111@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_691904==.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_691904==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed High; Pretty gripping stuff. I've been inspired to revisit the Vortex. I hooked it up to my MC303 and, for the first time since i acquired the Vortex, am starting to see what all the fuss is about. One thing is for certain: you really have to get into the Vortex to hear what it's really capable of. Thanks for your responses. JPW ---------------------------------------------------------------- Glass Thought Communications "Records for people to listen to at home." +46 708 940893 --=====================_691904==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" High;

Pretty gripping stuff. I've been inspired to revisit the Vortex. I hooked it up to my MC303 and, for the first time since i acquired the Vortex, am starting to see what all the fuss is about. One thing is for certain: you really have to get into the Vortex to hear what it's really capable of.

Thanks for your responses.

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 --=====================_691904==.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 11 23:38:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3C3Y9A03325; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 23:34:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 23:34:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 23:33:40 -0400 Subject: recent laptop looping experiments... From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5s4xkD.A.0y.Yk4l-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey folks, had such a good day I wanted to share it with y'all. so here's just a quick one to say I bought both the PSP 42 and 84 VST plugins from audioware.com recently and I'm hooked. both on my 500mhz pizmo and on a titanium running at 500 these software plugins are kickin' my ass. (using max/msp as a vst host, haven't tried 'em with logic 6 yet.) I'm doing my audio on an mhlabs "metric halo mobile I/O" firewire. latency is next to nothing, and the processing power and sound of these two plug ins is incredible. I'm really happy. the rig is a Pendulum audio acoustic pre-amp stereo into in an Orville, mono out and back to/from a Loop IV EDP, then with the metric halo sent to the computer and back. the interface for the metric halo is a fully routable matrix mixer which allows me to send things all over the place. add to that a peavey 1600x to control the plugins and a fcb1010 to control the obie and orvi, and I forgot to eat today. will post an mp3 or two as soon as I have a chance... for all you laptop folks, check out the plugins, demos are free, though a bit of a pain as the audio drops out every once in a while. also downloaded masterverb which will allow me to go out and do a simple jazz gig with nothing but my audio device and a laptop. and if I want a simple delay, I can use pluggo or the lexicon simulator. I was going to grab a 17 inch, but now it looks like I might wait for the 15 inch in the new chassis... but with a gig or more of speed, I think we're near, if not in, zero latency territory... or at least the simulation thereof. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 12 03:33:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3C7TP524629; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 03:29:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 03:29:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 00:29:07 -0700 Subject: Re: recent laptop looping experiments... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <71E15EF6-6CB8-11D7-988A-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Very exciting. I can't wait to get Digital Performer 4 going with these plugins running to see what they can do. I dream of a day where it's all done on a laptop... it would make live shows SO much less of a hassle. or would it? Mark Mark Sottilaro On Friday, April 11, 2003, at 08:33 PM, todd reynolds wrote: > hey folks, > > had such a good day I wanted to share it with y'all. so here's just a > quick > one to say I bought both the PSP 42 and 84 VST plugins from > audioware.com > recently and I'm hooked. both on my 500mhz pizmo and on a titanium > running > at 500 these software plugins are kickin' my ass. (using max/msp as a > vst > host, haven't tried 'em with logic 6 yet.) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 12 04:52:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3C8pcS30444; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 04:51:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 04:51:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: RE: Getting rid of the Vortex... Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 10:52:13 +0200 Message-ID: <001a01c300d0$d059ced0$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030412034704.02cc4d50@pop.chello.se> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com High, another thing's for certain which I think you discovered or rediscovered just now: the instrument a Vortex works best with is an electronic drum machine. Im still really bugged by the fact that my Vortex started acting up in a way that when I write a patch to one of the locations, if I then recall that patch it only contains...chaos. What is actually nice about this function is that you get effects you won't get out of your vortex otherwise (like statistic sound generation from background noise), but on the other hand, being able to save own creations was a cool feature nevertheless... So if there's anyone out there owning two functional Vortexes who would like to trade one for a John-Cage-Vortex, let me know. Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de -----Original Message----- From: Jair-Rohm [mailto:gtc@chello.se] Sent: Samstag, 12. April 2003 03:50 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Getting rid of the Vortex... High; Pretty gripping stuff. I've been inspired to revisit the Vortex. I hooked it up to my MC303 and, for the first time since i acquired the Vortex, am starting to see what all the fuss is about. One thing is for certain: you really have to get into the Vortex to hear what it's really capable of. Thanks for your responses. JPW ---------------------------------------------------------------- Glass Thought Communications "Records for people to listen to at home." +46 708 940893 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 12 05:38:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3C9YiP01846; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 05:34:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 05:34:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: recent laptop looping experiments... Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 11:34:25 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000001c300d6$b4dd28e0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h3C9YSB01806 Resent-Message-ID: <8n09z.A.gc.l29l-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Från: todd reynolds [mailto:toddreynolds@rcn.com] > here's just a quick one to say I bought both the PSP 42 and > 84 VST plugins from audioware.com recently and I'm hooked. I really agree with Todd on this. Actually I have bought all PSP software right from that early "mix package" and I use them all the time in studio projects with Logic. But since I got the PSP84 I I'd like to use it live as well with my looping rig. http://www.pspaudioware.com/ is the place :-) Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com --> 1st Swedish Looping Festival From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 12 06:07:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3CA4vo04132; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 06:04:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 06:04:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003301c300da$e7815830$bf08fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: , References: <71E15EF6-6CB8-11D7-988A-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Subject: EDP latency... Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 04:04:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim, You mentioned something a few weeks ago in the discussion about hardware vs. software looping solutions about the EDP having a 1.5 millisecond latency for every action. Is that a measured figure, or just a guess? I'm just curious, because I'm thinking of running signal from my EDP through my computer, which has a 3ms latency. That means 4.5 milliseconds of latency when triggering loops via MIDI. I could just experiment and listen for off-ness, but I figured I'd ask you about the EDP's latency, since you threw that figure out so readily. -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 12 10:36:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3CEZWj21581; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 10:35:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 10:35:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-11.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1050158103!12637 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAECE@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] OT- moogs. Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 15:25:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C300FF.6322EE80" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C300FF.6322EE80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Is that the billion dollar one with the wood cabinet? Holy moly did that look sweet, but man, I remember the feeling of my jaw hitting the ground when I saw it's price.<< I persuaded my bank a couple of years ago to let me buy a refurbed memorymoog from rudi linhard's company; worth every penny. what a great machine. rock solid reliable, too, with all the fixes rudi worked into it. beautiful mahogany sides. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. 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>>Is that the billion dollar one with the wood cabi= net?  Holy moly did
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I persuaded my bank a couple of years ago to let me buy a= refurbed memorymoog from rudi linhard's company; worth every penny. what a= great machine. rock solid reliable, too, with all the fixes rudi worked in= to it. beautiful mahogany sides.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C300FF.6322EE80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 12 12:17:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3CGGOA31905; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 12:16:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 12:16:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 11:15:52 -0500 Subject: EDP Audio Connections ... Are they balanced? From: Steve Ginn To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003301c300da$e7815830$bf08fc0c@amd> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone know if the EDP audio connections are balanced or unbalanced? Are they set up for +4db or -10db? Thanks, Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 12 12:57:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3CGuU903265; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 12:56:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 12:56:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 11:55:33 -0500 Subject: Using midi to control tempo on EDP From: Steve Ginn To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAECE@LON-MAIL07> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3132993334_3018367" Resent-Message-ID: <4-QIfB.A.py.yUEm-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3132993334_3018367 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable > I am wondering if this is possible ... >=20 > I would like to program my footpedal to have some base starting tempos fo= r the > EDP (IV) and then have two pedals programmed that could increment/decreme= nt in > +-1 or +-5 bpm values to adjust the tempo in real time. I have noticed t= hat > often times for me it is difficult to =B3tap=B2 the correct tempo with my foo= t, > especially when maybe all that is needed is a beat or two speed up or dow= n to > get the tempo closer. >=20 > Also, since I would like to use my EDP as the master tempo source for my > entire rig (effects, etc.) I would like to adjust the EDP tempo without h= aving > to necessarily use it for looping. I believe I remember someone saying t= hat > you could tap on the record button (I think?) to set up a tempo that is o= utput > to the rest of the gear without having to begin recording with the EDP; i= s > this correct? >=20 > Thanks, > Steve --B_3132993334_3018367 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Using midi to control tempo on EDP
I am wondering if this is possible ...

I would like to program my footpedal to have some base starting tempos for = the EDP (IV) and then have two pedals programmed that could increment/decrem= ent in +-1 or +-5 bpm values to adjust the tempo in real time.  I have = noticed that often times for me it is difficult to “tap” the cor= rect tempo with my foot, especially when maybe all that is needed is a beat = or two speed up or down to get the tempo closer.

Also, since I would like to use my EDP as the master tempo source for my en= tire rig (effects, etc.) I would like to adjust the EDP tempo without having= to necessarily use it for looping.  I believe I remember someone sayin= g that you could tap on the record button (I think?) to set up a tempo that = is output to the rest of the gear without having to begin recording with the= EDP; is this correct?

Thanks,
Steve

 --B_3132993334_3018367-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 12 13:19:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3CHIm206632; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 13:18:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 13:18:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e901c30117$86e18cb0$6501a8c0@p4> From: "David Swain" To: "Loopers Delight mailing list" Subject: Recording threashold and next loop autorecord Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 18:18:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E6_01C3011F.E87D5E10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E6_01C3011F.E87D5E10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have an edp with loop4. I notice that when next loop is set to autorecord it ignores the = threshold setting, is there any way around this ? I wanted the threshold to be active as i often want one of the loops to = have 'faded in' chords and i cant move feet quick enough to get from the = efc-7 to the volume pedal ! Does anyone have any workarounds for this problem ?? thanks David Swain d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk www.onelessthannone.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_00E6_01C3011F.E87D5E10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have an edp with = loop4.
 
I notice that when next loop is set = to autorecord=20 it ignores the threshold setting, is there any way around this = ?
I wanted the threshold to be active = as i often=20 want one of the loops to have 'faded in' chords and i cant move feet = quick=20 enough to get from the efc-7 to the volume pedal !
 
Does anyone have any workarounds for = this problem=20 ??
 
thanks
 
David Swain
 
d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk
= www.onelessthannone.co.uk
------=_NextPart_000_00E6_01C3011F.E87D5E10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 12 14:49:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3CImEc15597; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 14:48:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 14:48:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003301c300da$e7815830$bf08fc0c@amd> References: <71E15EF6-6CB8-11D7-988A-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> <003301c300da$e7815830$bf08fc0c@amd> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 15:48:06 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP latency... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Kim, > > You mentioned something a few weeks ago in the discussion about hardware >vs. software looping solutions about the EDP having a 1.5 millisecond >latency for every action. Is that a measured figure, or just a guess? I'm >just curious, because I'm thinking of running signal from my EDP through my >computer, which has a 3ms latency. That means 4.5 milliseconds of latency >when triggering loops via MIDI. I could just experiment and listen for >off-ness, but I figured I'd ask you about the EDP's latency, since you threw >that figure out so readily. this is pretty precise since the whole software is an infinite loop of that lenght and what is received in one loop is executed in the next. The worst case is a little more. Once you are in that small range or latency, remember that sound has a latency in the air, you will have to use very near field speakers... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 12 14:50:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3CInqs15867; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 14:49:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 14:49:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030410091707.0345de68@loopers-delight.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030410091707.0345de68@loopers-delight.com> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 15:49:35 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re:Orville Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I intend to but I'm too busy right now. Rather than complaining, >maybe you could try offering to help out. >kim > >At 08:38 AM 4/10/2003, Douglas wrote: > >>Since Angelo did that great writeup of the Orville, why not post the info on >>the Looping Tools page of the LD web site? >> looks rather like a suggestion than a complaint to me. It could even be read as an offer, no? :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 12 15:18:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3CJHmR19196; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 15:17:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 15:17:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00cc01c30128$4486a420$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Mara's Torment and URM Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 15:18:15 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 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Coming Tuesday April 22nd - Canadian Electronic Ensemble http://www3.sympatico.ca/larry_lake/cee.htm Between Sets CD - "Electronic Forest" (h/s recordings - 2002) http://www.hsrecordings.co.uk/music_electronicforest.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Mandala for Chaos" by Embracing the Glass Shimmering. That's the first thing that comes to mind when I think of "Mandala for Chaos" by Embracing the Glass. Shimmering, floating, sweeping tones passing by the senses while subtle vocals glide through your perceptions. Rising, swelling, like the crest of a wave tugging you deeper into it's grasp. Transendent, inspired, a womb-like serenity. Shimmering. Lovely. Yes. "Mandala for Chaos" is onsale now through *ping things* at THE AMBiENT PiNG or online at http://www.pingthings.com Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com to be updated on all the latest releases on sale at PiNG THiNGS. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. Drop off food at *ping things* for the Daily Bread Food Bank too and we'll ensure that it gets there. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 12 20:47:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3D0jwj18634; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 20:45:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 20:45:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Paulzric@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 20:45:29 EDT Subject: Re: MPX-G2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 46 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gary! Where you been? If you want, check out what I've done with the Lake Butler on my MP3 site: www.mp3.com/cphere Peace. (Ode to Loop Zen Grandmaster is the most recent tune) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 12 23:30:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3D3RGp32264; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 23:27:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 23:27:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2.4011 Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 20:27:10 -0700 Subject: Akai Headrush: what's the gap space? From: "p. hendricks" To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi, i'm new/just subbed but this is so frustrating, I can't seem to find out what should be a simple answer, even at the Akai site the manual for the E1 headrush is the dr16 hd recorder??? anyway, the 4 spaced outs of the Headrush have me wanting one, so how great can the gap be between outs? thanks, phil --+ cloaca recordings http://www.cloaca.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 13 00:09:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3D46Qs04124; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 00:06:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 00:06:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030413040558.98258.qmail@web41001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 21:05:58 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Good Deal On A Yamaha A3000? To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There was a discussion of the A5000 Sampler here not too long ago. I saw the A3000 for $319 at 8th Street Music & thought some of you might be interested. http://www.8thstreet.com/product.asp?ProductCode=6627&Category=Samplers John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 13 02:28:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3D6RHu15373; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 02:27:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 02:27:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 23:26:48 -0700 Subject: Re: EDP latency... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, April 12, 2003, at 11:48 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: > > this is pretty precise since the whole software is an infinite loop of > that lenght and what is received in one loop is executed in the next. > The worst case is a little more. Wow, that's fascinating! I know so little of how software works in such devices. I guess I imagined it worked more like some pice of software that loops saying, "what command just got asked?" and then the software that runs the function gets called. Interesting to know the whole thing is a loop. How meta. > > Once you are in that small range or latency, remember that sound has a > latency in the air, you will have to use very near field speakers... Perhaps the next hardware version of the EDP could have a tachyontronic system that would totally eliminate latency, and actually happen a bit before we did it. Wouldn't that be sweet? Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 13 02:37:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3D6b4A16133; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 02:37:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 02:37:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 23:36:51 -0700 Subject: Re: MPX-G2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <4F409DF0-6D7A-11D7-988A-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wait... I don't get it. Lake Butler? Aren't we talking about a Lexicon MPXG2? Is that what you're using on the mp3s? (I sure did like them) Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, April 12, 2003, at 05:45 PM, Paulzric@aol.com wrote: > Gary! Where you been? If you want, check out what I've done with the > Lake > Butler on my MP3 site: > > www.mp3.com/cphere > > Peace. (Ode to Loop Zen Grandmaster is the most recent tune) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 13 03:33:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3D7TgZ20383; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 03:29:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 03:29:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: MPX-G2 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 00:29:08 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <4F409DF0-6D7A-11D7-988A-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ahoy ye loop scalawags-- I sold Paul a MIDI foot controller (list $495!! I think I paid $325 new in the Eighties) made by Lake Butler Systems called the Mitigator--I don't know if he used it on the loop that's posted . . . I haven't heard the mp3 'cause I don't like giving my info to MP3.com-- And as far as the MPX-G2--I gave up trying to use it for percussion loops--but soon I am going to see if it can take the place of my GT-3 Boss effector. Thing is, there's no amp models--it's old technology--and I like running to a full range speaker--I am mixing keyboard sounds in with the guitar (effected) signal, and don't want to run it to a grungy ol' tube amp and knarl the MIDI keyboard sounds. Only one way to find out, and that's to try it. And as far as the percussion loops, looks like the second Loop IV EDP is going to do that task--works most of the time . . . gotta kinda look at it every once in a while tho-- So that's the story on me and Paul and the MIDI foot thingie--I am happy with the PMC-10. One thing I noticed at SLO is that a clinic on the Behringer foot controller would have been usefull--lots of those units there, and a couple of folks complaining about the relative difficulty of programming it. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 13 04:13:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3D8Ccw24844; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 04:12:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 04:12:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 01:12:16 -0700 Subject: Re: MPX-G2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: <2P07HB.A.-DG.kvRm-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well try it I did. This morning I spent a good couple of hours really tweaking sounds on the MPXG2 and I came to a few conclusions It's really good. All that I said about it's "amp models" not being good, I take back. Not all the presets sound good, but after some tweaking I got a lot of them to sound damn good and for sure usable. I would take this baby out to a live gig and go straight into the house mains with no problem. Not sure if I'd be happy with it's pre-amp sounds in every situation though. It seems like it does clean really well, and heavy distorto pretty well. It's one weakness seems to be that "kind of on the brink of dirty" sound that one gets with tubes and some of the better tube modelers. Running it in the effects loop of my Ampeg Reverbrocket or the Johnson JT50 makes that issue moot, as you wouldn't use it's amp or speaker sims anyway. I'm standing by what I said about the JamMan function. Not sure why Gary would think a guitar processor would be suitable for percussion loops anyway, but I think he's right. However, as a man who's sold on this whole "stereo" concept, I don't think the EDP would do it for me either... unless I had two brother synced together. Thanks to the IRS, no EDP for me at this time, but I think that when I do, it will be when I can afford a pair. I've just got so many beautiful stereo processors and synth sounds that I'm just not going to go back to my JamMan days with a mono looper. It's not my bag man. On that topic, where the MPXG2 shines is on it's rich stereo processing. Lush reverbs, delays, auto panning and phase based effects all shimmer the airspace directly effected by my Mackie HR824 near field monitors. Swa-eet. I do admit, I love the pre-amp tones of my Digitech 2120 but it doesn't have the lushness of time based effects that the Lexicon does. (though still very good IMO) I love the 2120 but what's sold me on the MPXG2 is beyond it's sound. It's in the sync. I move from a 70 bpm to a 140 bpm sequence, and look! The MPXG2 is right there with me. No need to tap tempo. Really really useful. *EVERY* effect processor should work this way. I'm really disappointed with the world. I was told the future would have lot's of robots and cool musical instruments. I saw it on Buck Rodgers (the 80s TV version, silly) I figured they'd all communicate tempo information. WHERE ARE MY ROBOTS? WHERE IS MY MIDI SYNC!? RECONFIGURE THE SENSOR ARRAY TO SEND A INVERSE GRAVITON PULSE INTO THE NAKED SINGULARITY! OK, time for bed. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, April 13, 2003, at 12:29 AM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > And as far as the MPX-G2--I gave up trying to use it for percussion > loops--but soon I am going to see if it can take the place of my GT-3 > Boss effector. Thing is, there's no amp models--it's old > technology--and I like running to a full range speaker--I am mixing > keyboard sounds in with the guitar (effected) signal, and don't want > to run it to a grungy ol' tube amp and knarl the MIDI keyboard sounds. > Only one way to find out, and that's to try it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 13 05:02:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3D91lM00358; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 05:01:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 05:01:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 02:01:27 -0700 Subject: giving info to mp3.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <8288CAC0-6D8E-11D7-988A-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You don't have to give your info, just make some wacky name like mcpooppants@yahoo.com and put other wacky information in the rest (make sure you're over 18 though) and you're in. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, April 13, 2003, at 12:29 AM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > I haven't heard the mp3 'cause I don't like giving my info to MP3.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 13 08:00:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3DBxZi10948; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 07:59:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 07:59:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <30.3c97a25e.2bcaab12@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 07:59:14 EDT Subject: Re:RE: Getting rid of the Vortex... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > another thing's for certain which I think you discovered or rediscovered > just now: the instrument a Vortex works best with is an electronic drum > machine. Im still really bugged by the fact that my Vortex started acting up > in a way that when I write a patch to one of the locations, if I then recall > that patch it only contains...chaos. What is actually nice about this > function is that you get effects you won't get out of your vortex otherwise > (like statistic sound generation from background noise), but on the other > hand, being able to save own creations was a cool feature nevertheless... > > So if there's anyone out there owning two functional Vortexes who would like > to trade one for a John-Cage-Vortex, let me know. > > Rainer I think they all do that if you save a certain preset (14?) to register 1B, or something like that (can you post the exact combination?) The workaround is to save to a different register. When you've created the Cage-Patch you can morph to and from it! (with a pedal), although the Cage-patch has a lot of gain. andy butler Lexicon Vortex Database From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 13 08:00:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3DBxdv10950; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 07:59:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 07:59:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <117.21e53141.2bcaab1a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 07:59:22 EDT Subject: Re: Recording threashold and next loop autorecord To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I have an edp with loop4. > > I notice that when next loop is set to autorecord it ignores the = > threshold setting, is there any way around this ? > I wanted the threshold to be active as i often want one of the loops to = > have 'faded in' chords and i cant move feet quick enough to get from the = > efc-7 to the volume pedal ! > > Does anyone have any workarounds for this problem ?? > So Threshold only works when you go to Record from Reset (Matthias??), that seems quite reasonable for keeping the flow of the music. Won't there be a problem using Threshold anyway, because you'll lose the start of the fade in and get some kind of an attack? 1) get yourself a chair 2) compensate for the extra delay by finishing the record early with Overdub, then if you need to set the loop start point do a 1 cycle Multiply 3) use a MIDI footcontroller, and set up 2 presets with your fave settings, but one with Autorecord Off, and one On. you could then program a Nextloop-with-autorec and a Nextloop-without-autorec 4) various other ways of doing this by MIDI controller 5) the lateral thinking workaround. Use SwitchQuant=Cnf, AutoRecord=Off. 6) If you can operate the FCB-7 with your heel on the ground it's possible to have the other foot on the swell without falling over. Don't think I ever used Threshold before today. (but often trip over too many pedals) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 13 15:55:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3DJpke26542; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 15:51:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 15:51:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:49:46 -0700 Subject: Repeater: Crash or unwitting trigger? From: Zoe Keating To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had a scary thing happen to me last night while performing with the Repeater. Controlling the device with the Behringer FCB1010, I had built up a multi-track loop. I hit a single patch that was set up to A) change the pan settings on Tracks 2 & 4 , B) arm the left footpedal to control volume on Tracks 1 & 2 and C) arm the right footpedal to control volume on Tracks 3 & 4. I had used this patch twice before during different pieces in the same performance. This time when I hit the patch an INCREDIBLY LOUD ticking sound completely obliterated what I was doing. It was at least 3 times as loud as the nice cello loops I had going. It sounded ominously like the metronome. I hit stop immediately but the ticking kept on. In a mild panic, the only thing I could think of to make it shut up was to turn off the Repeater. There being no power button, I had to turn off the entire power-conditioner and all devices connected to it (note to self: isolate the Repeater!). So, this morning I've tried to recreate this Bug/Crash/Error/Unwitting-trigger and I can't seem to get it to happen! I examined my Behringer programming to make sure I didn't accidentally bury some other function in the patch. Nope. In the manual I see no mention of a CC or PC number that would turn the metronome on or off. So how did I manage this with my feet? Did I confuse the Repeater somehow? Has anyone else experienced anything like this? thanks very much. Confusedly, Zoe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 13 17:00:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3DKxR602354; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 16:59:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 16:59:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030413205911.12546.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 13:59:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: Repeater: Crash or unwitting trigger? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i've had this happen before. i don't know what my patch was, but i do remember a loud clicking happening and i tried to use the on/off for the metronome figuring that was what it was, to no avail. i was unable to replicate the problem so i just wrote it off as a fluke of the device (these things do have bugs). i also have some sort of combination of patches that i use that always triggers the stereo track selection for 3 and 4, but i can't figure out what causes it, but it has happened on a few occassions. i;ve checked and rechecked my paramaters and the only thing i can think is causing it is by doing certain combinations after doing others these problems will surface. i'm not sure how repeaters are programmed, but there could be a variable or something that is never cleared out? it's a shame that electrix has folded (anyone know if any company or people are going to pick up the repeater and finish the OS1.2?), but bugs or not, it is a fairly reliable device (but always be prepared for the unexpected in a live situation)...but for the unique track recording, i wouldn't trade mine in for anything! ~e va n --- Zoe Keating wrote: > I had a scary thing happen to me last night while > performing with the > Repeater. Controlling the device with the Behringer > FCB1010, I had built up > a multi-track loop. I hit a single patch that was > set up to A) change the > pan settings on Tracks 2 & 4 , B) arm the left > footpedal to control volume > on Tracks 1 & 2 and C) arm the right footpedal to > control volume on Tracks 3 > & 4. I had used this patch twice before during > different pieces in the same > performance. > > This time when I hit the patch an INCREDIBLY LOUD > ticking sound completely > obliterated what I was doing. It was at least 3 > times as loud as the nice > cello loops I had going. It sounded ominously like > the metronome. I hit stop > immediately but the ticking kept on. In a mild > panic, the only thing I could > think of to make it shut up was to turn off the > Repeater. There being no > power button, I had to turn off the entire > power-conditioner and all devices > connected to it (note to self: isolate the > Repeater!). > > So, this morning I've tried to recreate this > Bug/Crash/Error/Unwitting-trigger and I can't seem > to get it to happen! I > examined my Behringer programming to make sure I > didn't accidentally bury > some other function in the patch. Nope. In the > manual I see no mention of a > CC or PC number that would turn the metronome on or > off. So how did I > manage this with my feet? Did I confuse the Repeater > somehow? > > Has anyone else experienced anything like this? > > thanks very much. Confusedly, Zoe > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 13 18:24:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3DMNGl12591; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 18:23:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 18:23:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:21:16 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater: Crash or unwitting trigger? From: Zoe Keating To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030413205911.12546.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've had this happen too (the sudden stereo track selection) and have always been mystified. It makes me feel a little better that others also suffer, but it scares me that no amount of practicing can fix these "errors". If I could learn more about what sequence leads to the errors, then maybe it would be possible to practice avoidance instead. Heck, I can understand that a device as complex as this might have bugs. But I sure do wish it would fail more gracefully! Love it, hate it, love it, hate it, love it... > > i also have some sort of combination of patches that i > use that always triggers the stereo track selection > for 3 and 4, but i can't figure out what causes it, > but it has happened on a few occassions. i;ve checked > and rechecked my paramaters and the only thing i can > think is causing it is by doing certain combinations > after doing others these problems will surface. i'm > not sure how repeaters are programmed, but there could > be a variable or something that is never cleared out? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 13 19:12:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3DNCER19960; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 19:12:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 19:12:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 16:10:34 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater: Crash or unwitting trigger? From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1h7ChB.A.Z3E.16em-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey kids- sorry-i dont know anything 'bout repeeters-'cept they crash or go crazee sometimes...something i have learned over the years is having redundancy in yer rack setup(especially dealing w/ loop thangs!!). from working w/ here in san fransiskee i have found out that anything crucial to yer sound is having a backup of some kind.(horriblee written sentence,stan!) i always got an edp backing up my pcm42-just in case. were you playing a show zoe, or just messin? either way its too bad-i feel yer pain... stan(itarium) > I've had this happen too (the sudden stereo track selection) and have always > been mystified. It makes me feel a little better that others also suffer, > but it scares me that no amount of practicing can fix these "errors". If I > could learn more about what sequence leads to the errors, then maybe it > would be possible to practice avoidance instead. > > Heck, I can understand that a device as complex as this might have bugs. But > I sure do wish it would fail more gracefully! > > Love it, hate it, love it, hate it, love it... > >> >> i also have some sort of combination of patches that i >> use that always triggers the stereo track selection >> for 3 and 4, but i can't figure out what causes it, >> but it has happened on a few occassions. i;ve checked >> and rechecked my paramaters and the only thing i can >> think is causing it is by doing certain combinations >> after doing others these problems will surface. i'm >> not sure how repeaters are programmed, but there could >> be a variable or something that is never cleared out? >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 13 20:53:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3E0qce32733; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 20:52:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 20:52:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 17:52:18 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater: Crash or unwitting trigger? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <5783C04C-6E13-11D7-BC68-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmm, I've never had this happen, though I think know what it is. The Repeater does have a metronome and it seems like somehow the Repeater is either getting a midi message to start it, or misinterpreting a message from the FCB1010. Could be either the Repeater or the FCB1010 that's at fault. Might even be a squirrely cable. I guess I'd say reprogram that pedal command. Couldn't hurt. I've had the singer I work with accedently push the tempo lock button during a show. Very bad. The Repeater would do all sorts of weird stuff when she was using it, I could never figure out why. I used the same Repeater hundreds of times with no problems at all, yet she seemed to manage to get it to do all sorts of things. The main thing was she'd get it to refuse to sync to the correct MIDI clock. It always seemed like it would show double the tempo that my Repeater was showing. Both were getting tempo off the same midi splitter. The weird thing is I can never get it to do it myself. Live or at home. Very frustrating. Good luck. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 13 21:19:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3E1IkP04325; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 21:18:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 21:18:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 21:17:49 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Repeater: Crash or unwitting trigger? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Zoe Keating writes: >I've had this happen too (the sudden stereo track selection) and have always >been mystified. It makes me feel a little better that others also suffer, >but it scares me that no amount of practicing can fix these "errors". If I >could learn more about what sequence leads to the errors, then maybe it >would be possible to practice avoidance instead. > >Heck, I can understand that a device as complex as this might have bugs. But >I sure do wish it would fail more gracefully! > >Love it, hate it, love it, hate it, love it... If you can't make it do what you want every time with appropriate technique and practice, then it's a flawed instrument, like a clarinet reed that sometimes squeaks. A failure is acceptable for improvised or mostly improvised music -- for a scored work with multiple players, it's a disaster. I have to say that very few production instruments have these issues. I have a lot of synths and effects units and I don't ever remember them crashing in an unexplainable way. I've rarely been able to repeatably crash instruments or make them misbehave by throwing too much of quite the wrong sort of data to them or having too many oscillators doing too many things but it's always been something where you could work through and say "I'll send half as much information and see if that happens" or "I need to have at least 5 seconds between program changes". grr. that repeater. /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/calendar .................................. the calendar. http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 13 21:49:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3E1kW607149; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 21:46:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 21:46:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b301c30227$e16a3540$b3a55e82@audiows> From: "David Auker" To: References: <5783C04C-6E13-11D7-BC68-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Repeater: Crash or unwitting trigger? Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 18:47:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm using the FCB1010/Repeater, but not for multiple commands, so this isn't a first-hand observation: Repeater seems to have to "digest" some commands by showing "NOT READY" on display...could it be that sending it certain multiples under certain conditions are an over-load? Maybe the "crash" is the next step beyond "NOT READY?" David Auker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 5:52 PM Subject: Re: Repeater: Crash or unwitting trigger? > Hmmm, I've never had this happen, though I think know what it is. The > Repeater does have a metronome and it seems like somehow the Repeater > is either getting a midi message to start it, or misinterpreting a > message from the FCB1010. Could be either the Repeater or the FCB1010 > that's at fault. Might even be a squirrely cable. > > I guess I'd say reprogram that pedal command. Couldn't hurt. I've had > the singer I work with accedently push the tempo lock button during a > show. Very bad. The Repeater would do all sorts of weird stuff when > she was using it, I could never figure out why. I used the same > Repeater hundreds of times with no problems at all, yet she seemed to > manage to get it to do all sorts of things. The main thing was she'd > get it to refuse to sync to the correct MIDI clock. It always seemed > like it would show double the tempo that my Repeater was showing. Both > were getting tempo off the same midi splitter. The weird thing is I > can never get it to do it myself. Live or at home. Very frustrating. > Good luck. > > Mark Sottilaro > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 13 22:42:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3E2dwu14015; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:39:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:39:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 21:39:41 -0500 Subject: How to make bump free drones in EDP? From: Steve Ginn To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00e901c30117$86e18cb0$6501a8c0@p4> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3133114782_81134" Resent-Message-ID: <2PYaE.A.jaD.x9hm-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3133114782_81134 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable When I make drones using the EDP (Loop IV) most of the time, I get a little bump and I can=B9t figure out the best way to deal with it. I know that I ca= n go directly into Overdub to smooth things out, but then Feedback gets set t= o 95% and the drone will eventually die ... Not a good thing for this particular song I am preparing for. I know if hit start playing, hit Recor= d wait for a short while and then hit Record again, trying to keep my level a= s un-wavering as possible, I can almost create a seamless drone; but sometime= s even if I seem to play correctly, I still get this little burst of volume that creates a bump that is definitely noticeable. Anyone have any suggestions? Thanks, Steve --B_3133114782_81134 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable How to make bump free drones in EDP? When I make drones using the EDP (Loop IV) most of the= time, I get a little bump and I can’t figure out the best way to deal= with it.  I know that I can go directly into Overdub to smooth things = out, but then Feedback gets set to 95% and the drone will eventually die ...= Not a good thing for this particular song I am preparing for.  I know = if hit start playing, hit Record wait for a short while and then hit Record = again, trying to keep my level as un-wavering as possible, I can almost crea= te a seamless drone; but sometimes even if I seem to play correctly, I still= get this little burst of volume that creates a bump that is  definitel= y noticeable.  Anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks,
Steve
 --B_3133114782_81134-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 13 22:56:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3E2tvw16132; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:55:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:55:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Paulzric@aol.com Message-ID: <12c.27f16313.2bcb7d24@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:55:32 EDT Subject: Re: MPX-G2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 46 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Whoops. I responded to the whole group, didn't I? I hate doing that. Especially when the response has nothing to do with the thread. Can't break them rules. Whoops. Chicken coop these dern threads, dangit. Keep 'em in ORDER. Like Iraq. Gotta keep the rules nice 'n tight. Too damn bad I don't know nuthin' 'bout MPX-G2s. Other'n'wise I mite say sumthink smert. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 13 23:51:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3E3lwx23616; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 23:47:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 23:47:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: MPX-G2 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 20:47:42 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <12c.27f16313.2bcb7d24@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Paul sez: Whoops. I responded to the whole group, didn't I? I hate doing that. Especially when the response has nothing to do with the thread. Can't break them rules. Whoops. Chicken coop these dern threads, dangit. Keep 'em in ORDER. Like Iraq. Gotta keep the rules nice 'n tight. Too damn bad I don't know nuthin' 'bout MPX-G2s. Other'n'wise I mite say sumthink smert. And I sez-- Well, I tried it--and I like it! I'm gonna eliminate the GT-3 in the loop rig and use the MPX-G2 for effects--and perhaps an occasional loop? Gary PS Will try signing in to MP3.com as Chicken@coop.com G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 14 00:33:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3E4Tsf28378; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 00:29:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 00:29:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.186.17.190] X-Originating-Email: [commencement13@hotmail.com] From: "Kris Day" To: References: <20030411164005.0F294470D@sitemail.everyone.net> Subject: Demo trade Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 23:25:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Apr 2003 04:29:22.0993 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C9C8210:01C3023E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey i was wondering since there are so many people(musicians) on this list and most of us have some sort of demo recording, we should set something up where we can all trade our demos via snail mail or the internet (remember the old 80s tape trade days...?). It can be stuff of our own or maybe have collected via other trades. Just make a copy of this disc or tape and keep circulation. Just make sure its not something you can get in stores or any that would cause the original artist to loose money, just demos and Do-it-Yourself recordings. Heres what I have to offer: Broken Key- Advent...Turtables from Hell info: my post techno project, loopy and distorted. Sorta like a twisted sci-fi movie mp3 samples: http://www.mp3.com/broken_keys Kwaidan- A night at Blackwell's island info: my mental illness noise project, this was my first release for this project mp3 samples: http://www.mp3.com/kwaiden Kwaidan/Abandoned Child- Bondage Children split cdr info: a collaboration between me and Brian H. of the noise industrial band recant. Very sexy, very dark. Kwaidan- Summoning of Souls info: the latest recordings that is nothing like the first two. Very much influence by Japanese noise music like Merzbow, Mike Patton, the Boredoms. etc. Probably the best demo since the track I had released on the Embedded comp. from Detterent INdustries. Harm - Obouro Singultus info: dark loopy apolaclypse type stuff. a buddy of mine did this project in his first attempt at industrial music. Its pretty strange stuff. A bit of acoustic guitar is evening in there. A lot speeches from Churchill, Manson, and Crowley too. The Sound Tribe- Cadavre Sonata Info: I did this experimental music score for a documentary on the death penalty for my high school Amnesty chapter. really twisted work with tribal percussion and lo-fi soundscapes. here's also a few reviews on some of those recordings: Broken Key Advent " An all-too brief (6 tracks in 18+ minutes) selection of self-termed 'experimental techno' from Hello Shadow Media kingpin Kris Day. And it's some really excellent stuff, much in the same realm as early DOWNLOAD or SPEEDY J, with perhaps a twist of Detroit techno thrown in. 'Advent' is packed with corrosive noisescapes and heavy-duty rhythm/breakbeat patterns that twist and turn with a feverish intensity, while shards of film dialogue filter in around the edges. These awesome and potent tracks definitely warrant some attention from those of you needing more venom in your electronic music. 'Nosebleeding Clowns' would even garner some attention in the clubs. Solid, solid work here and I definitely am looking forwards to hearing more from BROKEN KEY. Bravo! " -Godsend Online Harm Obouro Singultus " This project of the oh-so charmingly-named Assface Pissneck (of Iowa metallists CANNIBAL HORSE and--don't laugh--SATAN'S ALMIGHTY PENIS) shows an interest in the classic, old-school industrial sound. There's your typical 'found' TV voices, clanging, banging, air-raid sirens, loops, moans, challenging frequencies, Charlie Manson recordings, and dirge rhythms assimilated and collaged over one another. Packed with lo-fi audio detritus, 'Obouro Singultus' seems to be a sort of recorded sketchbook, as some tracks abruptly cut off. It's like a maniacal funhouse of creepy sounds and abrasive-yet-playful experiments. " -Godsend Online The Sound Tribe Cadaver Sonata " Roughly 70 minutes of ambient, lo-fi post-industrial musings from a versatile Iowa artist. This work was originally meant as a score for a documentary on the death penalty, so you know it's not gonna be cheery stuff. Indeed, this little audio hallucination is full of grindings, tribal recordings, and improvised bits of 'found' audio flotsam. These are bedroom noise-scapes that take me back to my days doing very similar stuff. And although 'Cadaver Sonata' isn't unique or necessary listening, it is a quiet, minimalistic, and oddly random bit of old-school analogue playfulness. " -Godsend Online Hope you guys dig my idea. I have a bunch of other demos at my web site- http://www.helloshadow.tk take it easy kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 14 01:34:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3E5VdM01129; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 01:31:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 01:31:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004001c30279$16e76e30$8ccdf5d1@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: Subject: Re: How to make bump free drones in EDP? Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:29:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01C30281.75E3B580" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C30281.75E3B580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How to make bump free drones in EDP?how i make drones: put the edp in = delay mode, roll the guitar's volume down, strike a note and fade it in. = for this to work right (i.e. no bumps or dips in the sound) the loop = has to be short... if you need a longer delay/loop time, you might want to check on a = simple delay pedal and apply the same principal as mentioned above. if you need to be in loop mode, i would create and empty loop of the = desired length, hit overdub and fade in...might take a few runs through = to get the drone up to the right volume, but you can stack them for a = richer sound. -jim ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C30281.75E3B580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How to make bump free drones in EDP?
how i make drones: put the edp in delay mode, roll = the=20 guitar's volume down, strike a note and fade it in.  for this to = work right=20 (i.e. no bumps or dips in the sound) the loop has to be = short...
 
if you need a longer delay/loop time, you might want = to check=20 on a simple delay pedal and apply the same principal as mentioned=20 above.
 
if you need to be in loop mode, i would create and = empty loop=20 of the desired length, hit overdub and fade in...might take a few runs = through=20 to get the drone up to the right volume, but you can stack them for a = richer=20 sound.
 
-jim
------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C30281.75E3B580-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 14 01:45:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3E5dCU01909; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 01:39:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 01:39:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005701c30247$dda334a0$f861f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200304140351.h3E3pQO24019@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Crash or unwitting trigger Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:36:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Zoe, I've had this happen to me twice in the middle of big shows and then Bill hipped me to the fact that if you hold the pitch key down longer than a second that it will trigger the metronome. I HATE THE METRONOME...............wish it could be disconnected. but I LOVE MY REPEATER, warts and all.............nothing does what it does....... ..........to take nothing away from the EDP which mangles more sophisticatedly than any other looper (imho). They are just different beasts........... Any chance that you might have had your hands on the Pitch button or, as Mark has suggested that you have accidentally programmed to many messages into the FCB 1010. yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 14 01:57:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3E5sIh03557; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 01:54:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 01:54:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c3024a$81726860$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: Re: How to make bump free drones in EDP? Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 01:55:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C30228.F9DC0800" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop017.verizon.net from [68.160.153.176] at Mon, 14 Apr 2003 00:54:00 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C30228.F9DC0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How to make bump free drones in EDP?try this: guitar --> volume pedal --> delay set to 450 ms -- edp. swell the volume slowly, "fill the delay", do it again... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve Ginn=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 10:39 PM Subject: How to make bump free drones in EDP? When I make drones using the EDP (Loop IV) most of the time, I get a = little bump and I can't figure out the best way to deal with it. I know = that I can go directly into Overdub to smooth things out, but then = Feedback gets set to 95% and the drone will eventually die ... Not a = good thing for this particular song I am preparing for. I know if hit = start playing, hit Record wait for a short while and then hit Record = again, trying to keep my level as un-wavering as possible, I can almost = create a seamless drone; but sometimes even if I seem to play correctly, = I still get this little burst of volume that creates a bump that is = definitely noticeable. Anyone have any suggestions? Thanks, Steve ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C30228.F9DC0800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How to make bump free drones in EDP?
try this:
 
guitar --> volume pedal --> delay = set to 450=20 ms -- edp.
swell the volume slowly, "fill the = delay", do it=20 again...
 
 
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From:=20 Steve Ginn =

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=00 --=====================_27525139==.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 9 14:11:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h39I4d832504; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 14:04:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 14:04:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030409180352.97059.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 11:03:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: EDP for sale on Ebay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1db.720388c.2bc580e0@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just get an extension and pay off Uncle Sam monthly -- he can wait :) --- Looptalk@aol.com wrote: > Here is the ebay item # 2522360284 > > Oberheim EDP with 198 seconds, loop 3 V5.0, > footpedal and manual. > > About 3 years ago I proudly said "I have two EDP's." > Now I must reluctantly > sell the second and pay Uncle Sam. > > If you have questions email me directly at > openjam@aol.com > > TQ > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 9 14:57:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h39IumO05690; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 14:56:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 14:56:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008b01c2fefb$ac1d6850$9bf79840@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <20030409180352.97059.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: EDP for sale on Ebay Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 01:53:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "I must reluctantly sell the second and pay Uncle Sam." it's a shame when you have to give up such a fine piece of gear to pay somebody who doesn't appreciate looping (i.e. uncle sam)...we should all move to an island, pool our talents, and support ourselves with no taxes and no giving-up of the precious trade tools... -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 9 15:01:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h39J0cc07478; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 15:00:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 15:00:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c2feca$14b12dc0$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <20030409180352.97059.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> <008b01c2fefb$ac1d6850$9bf79840@g0wn7> Subject: Re: EDP for sale on Ebay Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 12:58:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <2z0_-C.A.MzB.y2Gl-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com it would smell to much like nut. the wonderous cara's of the looping communiuty seem to be too few and far between us boys here. i'll come visit you all on the island though? smirk, jg ----- Original Message ----- From: jimfowler To: Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 6:53 PM Subject: Re: EDP for sale on Ebay > "I must reluctantly sell the second and pay Uncle Sam." > > it's a shame when you have to give up such a fine piece of gear to pay > somebody who doesn't appreciate looping (i.e. uncle sam)...we should all > move to an island, pool our talents, and support ourselves with no taxes and > no giving-up of the precious trade tools... > > -jim > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 9 15:14:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h39JC4g09022; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 15:12:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 15:12:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E947010.824DED81@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 12:10:09 -0700 From: Daryl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Getting rid of the Harmonizer References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030409191007.0306f008@pop.chello.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Uncle Sam has come calling to me too...I was really hoping to bring this to the swap meet at Loopstock, but had to miss it due to some last-minute troubles...dammit! Did anyone end up making any recordings or videos? I'm selling my beloved Digitech IPS-33b harmonizer. Stereo effects, pitch and volume mod, delay, arpeggiator (really weird), pitch correction, two intelligent (scalar or chromatic) harmonies in addition to original, inputs for two controller pedals (can do whammy), midi in, out and thru, etc etc. Works great and sounds really nice, same era as the first whammy pedal. Have printout of manual, can send pix. Help me out with your $200...anyone? Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 9 15:26:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h39JPVZ10468; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 15:25:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 15:25:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008701c2fecd$b6343220$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <20030409180352.97059.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> <008b01c2fefb$ac1d6850$9bf79840@g0wn7> Subject: Loopers Island Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 14:24:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > it's a shame when you have to give up such a fine piece of gear to pay > somebody who doesn't appreciate looping (i.e. uncle sam)...we should all > move to an island, pool our talents, and support ourselves with no taxes and > no giving-up of the precious trade tools... Hmmm, a search of the U.S. Geological Survey's database of geological names reveals: 1 "Looper Hollow" 1 "Loopers Bend" 1 "Loopers Bridge" 1 "Looper Branch" 2 "Looper Lake" 2 "Looper Lake Dam" 4 "Looper Cemetery" (!) But alas, no "Loopers Island"... :) Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 9 15:36:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h39JZRF11904; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 15:35:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 15:35:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 14:33:37 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: Loopers Island In-reply-to: <008701c2fecd$b6343220$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <02f501c2fece$eb1b53f0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com does ricardo mantalban use an edp? > > But alas, no "Loopers Island"... > ... > Dennis Leas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 9 16:04:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h39K33U16853; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 16:03:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 16:03:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003b01c2fed2$ee6a8220$bf08fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <20030409180352.97059.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> <008b01c2fefb$ac1d6850$9bf79840@g0wn7> Subject: Re: EDP for sale on Ebay Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 14:02:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm in the same boat... I think my Ampeg SVT-II might be headed out the door. Waiting to hear back from the tax lady. I have crazy music-related deductions, but I think I'll still owe something... I'm going to do the quarterly estimated income thing for next year. Getting slammed in April with a huge bill is no fun. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "jimfowler" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 6:53 PM Subject: Re: EDP for sale on Ebay > "I must reluctantly sell the second and pay Uncle Sam." > > it's a shame when you have to give up such a fine piece of gear to pay > somebody who doesn't appreciate looping (i.e. uncle sam)...we should all > move to an island, pool our talents, and support ourselves with no taxes and > no giving-up of the precious trade tools... > > -jim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 9 16:12:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h39KC5a17936; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 16:12:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 16:12:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 13:14:26 -0700 Subject: Re: Getting rid of the Vortex... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030409191007.0306f008@pop.chello.se> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h39KBaZ17859 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've owned a Vortex and I kind of agree, though I'd change what you said about it's operating system. The OS is fine, it's the display that sucks. I've got other Lexicon gear that is programmed in a somewhat similar way but is much easier to get around in. The Line6 stuff does look great and is priced right for sure.... except that you can get a Vortex for less than the price of one of the Line6 pedals. Do the Line6 pedals let you save presets? Also, you can still find Electrix gear on Ebay for about $150 that has an amazing layout in terms of tweakability. Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, April 9, 2003, at 10:20 AM, Jair-Rohm wrote: > High; > > Well, after considerable experimentation i've decided to get rid of > the Vortex and get a Line 6 Filter Modeler to go along with my Line 6 > Delay Modeler and Jamman. The Vortex is cool. Deep in fact. Really > deep. After investigating it and reading everything i could find on > the subject (here's an especially nice page > http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortecho.htm) i've concluded that i > could do anything that the Vortex offers with the two Line 6 boxes and > expression pedals. A lot easier also. I found the Vortex operating > system to be less intuitive than the Line 6 devices. Plus, stomp boxes > are much more immediate than rack mounts (when you're working live). > > So what's the point of this post? Well, if anyone has any compelling > arguments for the Vortex over the Delay Mod/Filter Mod combination i'd > like to hear them. > > Thanks and happy looping. > > Jair-Rôhm Parker Wells > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Glass Thought Communications > "Records for people to listen to at home." > +46 708 940893 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 9 16:28:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h39KPVA19513; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 16:25:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 16:25:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <16f.1cf36ff2.2bc5db8f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 16:24:47 EDT Subject: Re: Getting rid of the Vortex... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > an especially nice page http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortecho.htm) i've= thank you :-) > =20 > concluded that i could do anything that the Vortex offers with the two Line= > =20 > 6 boxes and expression pedals. A lot easier also. I found the Vortex=20 > operating system to be less intuitive than the Line 6 devices. Plus, stomp= > =20 > boxes are much more immediate than rack mounts (when you're working live). > > So what's the point of this post? Well, if anyone has any compelling=20 > arguments for the Vortex over the Delay Mod/Filter Mod combi as a Filter Pro user, I'd say the Filter Mod has v. little in common with the vortex, I wouldn't let go of either. of course the Vortex only has 2s delay, and no halfspeed/reverse In fact all 3 units are pretty unique. ...but neither of those 2 Line 6 units has flange/phase/chorus/rotary, which theVortex does really well. ...nor do they have the power to twist short loops about . ...nor do they have the possibility to set up a pedal which goes from straight sound to complete noise-texture (and back again afterwards) ...no evolving textures keep them all andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 9 16:44:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h39KhWI21405; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 16:43:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 16:43:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.157.226.19] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Getting rid of the Vortex... Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 16:43:06 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Apr 2003 20:43:06.0283 (UTC) FILETIME=[9F8A57B0:01C2FED8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Where do vortex users place the processer in their signal chain? Pre or post loop. mixer aux send etc?? Thanks Louis >From: mark >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Getting rid of the Vortex... >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 13:14:26 -0700 > >I've owned a Vortex and I kind of agree, though I'd change what you said >about it's operating system. The OS is fine, it's the display that sucks. >I've got other Lexicon gear that is programmed in a somewhat similar way >but is much easier to get around in. The Line6 stuff does look great and >is priced right for sure.... except that you can get a Vortex for less than >the price of one of the Line6 pedals. Do the Line6 pedals let you save >presets? Also, you can still find Electrix gear on Ebay for about $150 >that has an amazing layout in terms of tweakability. > >Mark Sottilaro > >On Wednesday, April 9, 2003, at 10:20 AM, Jair-Rohm wrote: > >>High; >> >>Well, after considerable experimentation i've decided to get rid of the >>Vortex and get a Line 6 Filter Modeler to go along with my Line 6 Delay >>Modeler and Jamman. The Vortex is cool. Deep in fact. Really deep. After >>investigating it and reading everything i could find on the subject >>(here's an especially nice page >>http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortecho.htm) i've concluded that i could >>do anything that the Vortex offers with the two Line 6 boxes and >>expression pedals. A lot easier also. I found the Vortex operating system >>to be less intuitive than the Line 6 devices. Plus, stomp boxes are much >>more immediate than rack mounts (when you're working live). >> >>So what's the point of this post? Well, if anyone has any compelling >>arguments for the Vortex over the Delay Mod/Filter Mod combination i'd >>like to hear them. >> >>Thanks and happy looping. >> >>Jair-Rôhm Parker Wells >> >> >> >> >> >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------- >>Glass Thought Communications >>"Records for people to listen to at home." >>+46 708 940893 >> > _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 9 17:11:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h39LAiM26511; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 17:10:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 17:10:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1049922606.3e948c2eab2e4@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 17:10:06 -0400 From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Getting rid of the Vortex... References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.177.160 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting Louis Rossi : > Where do vortex users place the processer in their signal chain? Pre or post > loop. mixer aux send etc?? when i had a vortex i used it in both places, via the Repeater's ill- implemented FX Insert function. it's a great little box. are there any MPX-1 owners (who own/ed vortexen as well) who would like to comment on the Vortex-ness of the MPX-1? --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 9 17:19:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h39LIfl27599; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 17:18:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 17:18:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Looptalk@aol.com Message-ID: <40.2dd7a94a.2bc5e7f8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 17:17:44 EDT Subject: Re: Loopers Island To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dennis, I am so happy to see that my financial situation became the catalyst of such a fine thread - bringing forth looper geography info! These are great website and band names. Start grabbing them folks. << 1 "Looper Hollow" 1 "Loopers Bend" 1 "Loopers Bridge" 1 "Looper Branch" 2 "Looper Lake" 2 "Looper Lake Dam" 4 "Looper Cemetery" (!) >> tq From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 9 17:26:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h39LHjg27438; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 17:17:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 17:17:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E94909D.6096CBB7@erols.com> Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 17:29:01 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Getting rid of the Vortex... References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030409191007.0306f008@pop.chello.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6LCjS.A.NsG.n3Il-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jair-Rohm wrote: > Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain) > Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, You might want to consider a Roger Linn Design Adrenalinn. It makes a lot of similar filter type sounds plus lots more. It is also MIDI synchable. A really love it. Check out www.rogerlinndesign.com for more info. John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 9 18:17:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h39MGTp04564; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 18:16:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 18:16:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005e01c2fee5$853e8c70$b0d8399d@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> From: "looper @ jump/cut" To: References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030409191007.0306f008@pop.chello.se> <3E947010.824DED81@mhorse.com> Subject: Re: Getting rid of the Harmonizer Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 15:15:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3718.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3718.0 Resent-Message-ID: <4XumXD.A.CGB._tJl-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How does this unit do with bass? (especially with a low "B") ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daryl" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 12:10 PM Subject: Getting rid of the Harmonizer > > Uncle Sam has come calling to me too...I was really hoping to bring this > to the swap meet at Loopstock, but had to miss it due to some > last-minute troubles...dammit! Did anyone end up making any recordings > or videos? > > I'm selling my beloved Digitech IPS-33b harmonizer. Stereo effects, > pitch and volume mod, delay, arpeggiator (really weird), pitch > correction, two intelligent (scalar or chromatic) harmonies in addition > to original, inputs for two controller pedals (can do whammy), midi in, > out and thru, etc etc. Works great and sounds really nice, same era as > the first whammy pedal. Have printout of manual, can send pix. Help > me out with your $200...anyone? > > Daryl Shawn > highhorse@mhorse.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 9 18:33:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h39MW6x06301; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 18:32:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 18:32:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f901c2fee7$74e28d20$6964f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200304091926.h39JQQr10590@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: clapping, clapping, clapping, clapping Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 15:29:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Serendipitously, on my latest live CD, the last piece features the crowd clapping which I then morph into a clapping loop in 7/4 Clapping must be in the air. Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 9 18:49:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h39MmHx08010; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 18:48:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 18:48:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00f901c2fee7$74e28d20$6964f93f@global> References: <200304091926.h39JQQr10590@hemlock.violacea.com> <00f901c2fee7$74e28d20$6964f93f@global> Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 15:47:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: clapping, clapping, clapping, clapping Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:29 PM -0700 4/9/03, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: >Serendipitously, on my latest live CD, the last piece features >the crowd clapping which I then morph into a clapping loop in >7/4 > >Clapping must be in the air. A favorite trick of mine is to play a recording of applause, but to sneak it in gradually so the audience aren't aware of it. They just keep clapping because they thing everyone else is. Curiously, my first-ever multitrack tape manipulation used applause. It was for a student film, back in 1970, and I wanted some applause behind the end credits. I went into the largest lecture hall at MIT, just before an undergraduate physics lecture began, and asked for a few minutes to record the students. I got a few minutes of assorted crowd sounds and then did multiple overdubs of the applause with slight speed differences between them to beef it up. We had no multitrack reel-to-reel recorder (we used mono Nagras for location recording), so I used a set of three Magnasync dubbers - those big old decks that used 16mm sprocketed mag film. The major studios would have 30 or more of these for all their multitrack mixing during the analog era. "Synchronization" was a looser concept in those days, since the time resolution depended on the distance between the sprocket holes. At 24 frames per second that's about 40 msec between sprockets. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 9 18:50:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h39MnpJ08197; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 18:49:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 18:49:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010d01c2feea$01f17940$6964f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200304091926.h39JQQr10590@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: LOOPSTOCK 2003: an appreciation Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 15:47:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The thing that really impressed me about Loopstock, outside of impressive and fascinating sets by everyone and really informative clinics that all added to my knowledge base was that there was an extremely palpable since of growth in every single artist from last year's Loopstock. Everyone was much more sophisticated technologically by a large factor; everyone was much more together from an aesthetic and musical place and I never found myself, even once, sitting politely through someone's set. Our really wonderful community is really growing, not just in numbers but in sophistication and artistically. I feel extremely proud to be a member of this community and I feel greatly indebted to Hans for his vision in putting together a very memorable LOOPSTOCK 2. I came away from the festival invigorated both artistically and technologically and with an even stronger since that we are all representing a really valuable and necessary movement in music here in the early years of the Naughties. Because I'm just inundated with all of the details and logistics of my impending 3 month solo looping tour of Europe and the British Isles, I haven't had any time to think about producing this years Y2K3 Festival in late summer/early fall in Santa Cruz, but when I get back and get to it, I know that Hans Lindauer has significantly raised the bar for our next big Community LOOPING FESTIVAL.......... Thanks, Hans..........your rock my friend!!!! appreciatively, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 9 20:13:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3A0CYt24076; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 20:12:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 20:12:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E94B65A.C9EEF352@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 17:10:03 -0700 From: Daryl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Getting rid of the Harmonizer References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030409191007.0306f008@pop.chello.se> <3E947010.824DED81@mhorse.com> <005e01c2fee5$853e8c70$b0d8399d@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmm, I've never tried it and don't have a bass to check it out. For what it's worth, I tune down to D (sometimes doubling two octaves down) and it always did pretty well. I'm afraid of what it would do to your speakers to double down on a bass "B"! here's some more about it on harmony-central: http://harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/DigiTech/IPS_33B-01.html Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com > How does this unit do with bass? (especially with a low "B") > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daryl" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 12:10 PM > Subject: Getting rid of the Harmonizer > > > > > Uncle Sam has come calling to me too...I was really hoping to bring this > > to the swap meet at Loopstock, but had to miss it due to some > > last-minute troubles...dammit! Did anyone end up making any recordings > > or videos? > > > > I'm selling my beloved Digitech IPS-33b harmonizer. Stereo effects, > > pitch and volume mod, delay, arpeggiator (really weird), pitch > > correction, two intelligent (scalar or chromatic) harmonies in addition > > to original, inputs for two controller pedals (can do whammy), midi in, > > out and thru, etc etc. Works great and sounds really nice, same era as > > the first whammy pedal. Have printout of manual, can send pix. Help > > me out with your $200...anyone? > > > > Daryl Shawn > > highhorse@mhorse.com > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 9 20:25:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3A0PFZ25822; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 20:25:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 20:25:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 17:27:36 -0700 Subject: Re: Getting rid of the Vortex... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1049922606.3e948c2eab2e4@www.suitandtieguy.com> Message-Id: <3AA9E3DC-6AEB-11D7-ACE2-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, April 9, 2003, at 02:10 PM, Eric Williamson wrote: > when i had a vortex i used it in both places, via the Repeater's ill- > implemented FX Insert function. Ill implemented? Seems like an amazing feature to me that always seems to work fine. It's one of those features that didn't seem like a big deal when I was looking into the Repeater, but later became one of the coolest and most useful features. > > it's a great little box. are there any MPX-1 owners (who own/ed > vortexen as > well) who would like to comment on the Vortex-ness of the MPX-1? > I be one of those guys. Here's my take on it. The Vortex is a unique box, I doubt they'll ever be another. However, I found it awkward for two reasons. No MIDI sync was the biggest reason, and programming it with that LED display was never very easy. The MPX-1 in some ways blows away the Vortex. Mostly in terms of sound quality and ease of programming (though I'm sure others will disagree with me, after I figured it's "ways" I can get around it fairly easily) and MIDI sync. Since I'm almost always slaved to a MIDI clock this is incredibly useful. Now, in some ways the MPX1 is very similar. I bet you could almost get identical patches going with them that sound better on the MPX1. There are even preset patches with the same name and similar sounds like "aerosol." (I've never a/b'd them to see if they were the same) With a MIDI controller and some expression pedals you can go bizerk controlling perimeters. One of the biggest differences between the two is the implementation of the A/B function. On the Vortex you can morph between two totally different sets of effects! That's the beauty. What happens in the middle of the morph? Roll the dice and see! Weeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrowowowowowpaapapapppaaaaaa. On the MPX1, you can A/B between 2 versions of the same effect set with different perimeters. Can you get really cool stuff this way? And HOW. Not quite as "mad scientist" friendly, but cool in it's own way. So, I actually got the MPX1 to replace the Vortex, and to be honest, I've never looked back. If you're low on cash and looking for an interesting box, the Vortex is your toy, no doubt. However, if you're looking for better quality effects and easier control, the MPX1 is a wonderful piece of kit. I liked it so much I ended up with a MPXG2 as well, though I must say it's distortion patches can be kind of cold sounding. Since I'm using a Rocktron Piranha in it's effects loop, that's not an issue for me. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 9 20:40:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3A0e1s27844; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 20:40:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 20:40:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1049935180.3e94bd4c341cd@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 20:39:40 -0400 From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Getting rid of the Vortex... References: <3AA9E3DC-6AEB-11D7-ACE2-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> In-Reply-To: <3AA9E3DC-6AEB-11D7-ACE2-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.177.160 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting mark : > On Wednesday, April 9, 2003, at 02:10 PM, Eric Williamson wrote: > > when i had a vortex i used it in both places, via the Repeater's ill- > > implemented FX Insert function. > Ill implemented? Seems like an amazing feature to me that always seems i say ill implemented because they didn't have the time to provide any level control for the insert, but did take the time to _make_sure_ you could NEVER use Resample to recursively process through the FX insert. it looks like you could use it for that, and that's the _easiest_ and least process-intensive way to implement resampling. but when i think of all the r/d time wasted on writing that buffering code (and memory wasted to execute the operation), it really burns me they wasted all this time with LPA and a castrated re-sample. if Resample let you continue to resample after the loop-point ended (instead of buffering the last cycle), i wouldn't be selling my Repeater this weekend: i'd be selling my Prodigy to buy another one. remember: i'm not expecting a "weird" feature. recursive resampling _should_ be expected if resample allows you to go beyond one complete cycle. i am rambling on 3 hours sleep, so please let me know if i make no sense :) > So, I actually got the MPX1 to replace the Vortex, and to be honest, > I've never looked back. If you're low on cash and looking for an sounds like a keeper to me. something that kind of kept me from really exploiting the Vortex is that i never _really_ understood what was going on. thanks for the input! looks like i'll be selling some stuff to buy an mpx-1 ... --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 9 20:49:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3A0mPv28933; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 20:48:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 20:48:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 20:45:54 -0400 Subject: More time on DL4? Message-ID: <20030409.204555.-318059.0.mabnotes@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1 From: Michael A Baggetta Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Does anyone have any ideas on how to increase the delay time on the delay effects section of the line 6 DL4? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 9 21:34:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3A1V8404229; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 21:31:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 21:31:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 21:30:17 -0400 From: Paulzric@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: clapping, clapping, clapping, clapping MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3ECDEFA8.3F1DD7A9.007D6382@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > that's about 40 msec between > sprockets. "...I said socket not sprocket." To whom can we acredit this fine peice of comedic genius? Hint: He made many many many people clap around the time Dr. Zvonar was Synchronizing Nagras. (Cool band name.) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 9 22:35:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3A2YcD13841; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 22:34:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 22:34:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 19:36:58 -0700 Subject: Re: Getting rid of the Vortex... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1049935180.3e94bd4c341cd@www.suitandtieguy.com> Message-Id: <4D4C3E2C-6AFD-11D7-ACE2-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: <-SPXJB.A.rWD.hgNl-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, April 9, 2003, at 05:39 PM, Eric Williamson wrote: > Quoting mark : >> On Wednesday, April 9, 2003, at 02:10 PM, Eric Williamson wrote: >>> when i had a vortex i used it in both places, via the Repeater's ill- >>> implemented FX Insert function. >> Ill implemented? Seems like an amazing feature to me that always >> seems > > i say ill implemented because they didn't have the time to provide any > level > control for the insert, I agree, that would have been nice, but I seem to have no issues with using a line level effects processor with level in and out. Hell, while we're at it, the Repeater should have been designed to work in and out at each point at either instrument or line level, but that's beating a dead horse. > but did take the time to _make_sure_ you could NEVER > use Resample to recursively process through the FX insert. it looks > like you > could use it for that, and that's the _easiest_ and least > process-intensive way to implement resampling. I really never use the resample feature anyway. They'd probably have been better off just not having it at all. I'll take your advise that it doesn't work as it should though. > but when i think of all the r/d time wasted on writing that buffering > code (and memory wasted to execute the operation), it really burns me > they wasted all this time with LPA and a castrated re-sample. Ah... but LPA is the HEART of why the Repeater rocks. It allows me to start my loop late (as per the midi clock) and end it late or early and still have what sounds like a perfect loop.... however, I'd trade that feature for an EDP like quantize function. Talk was made about doing this on vs. 2 of the software. Ah ahahhahh ahhahhaha, ehem. > if Resample let you continue to resample after the loop-point ended > (instead of > buffering the last cycle), i wouldn't be selling my Repeater this > weekend: i'd > be selling my Prodigy to buy another one. Not that I just didn't sell my second Repeater, but I think you'll be sorry you did. I think you might be using it hoping it's something other than what it is, rather than using it for the wonder that it is. When I first got an EDP I spent some time thinking, "Oh shit, I wish this worked like the Repeater" until I got used to it's unique personality. Hell, when I got the Repeater I longed for the functionality of the JamMan. > > looks like i'll be selling some stuff to buy an mpx-1 ... Sound like you have the same disorder that I do! Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 9 22:37:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3A2auT14499; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 22:36:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 22:36:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 19:39:23 -0700 Subject: Re: clapping, clapping, clapping, clapping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3ECDEFA8.3F1DD7A9.007D6382@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve Martin's sprinkler maintenance joke. Talk about early looping: I listened to that 8 track tape until there was little oxide left on it. Mark Sottliaro On Wednesday, April 9, 2003, at 06:30 PM, Paulzric@aol.com wrote: > > >> that's about 40 msec between >> sprockets. > > "...I said socket not sprocket." To whom can we acredit this fine > peice of comedic genius? Hint: He made many many many people clap > around the time Dr. Zvonar was Synchronizing Nagras. (Cool band name.) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 9 23:05:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3A33YG20536; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 23:03:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 23:03:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1049943788.3e94deece71c7@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 23:03:08 -0400 From: erwill@suitandtieguy.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Getting rid of the Vortex... References: <4D4C3E2C-6AFD-11D7-ACE2-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> In-Reply-To: <4D4C3E2C-6AFD-11D7-ACE2-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.177.160 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting mark : > quoting suit and tie guy > > looks like i'll be selling some stuff to buy an mpx-1 ... > Sound like you have the same disorder that I do! yes. i'm a picky bastard with a studio full of stuff he has no clue how he afforded. you should see the arguments i have with myself over what to do about my Leslie situation (only one organ but 3 Leslies, a 200 watt Hiwatt, and no gigs ... yet i made a rule not to sell organ stuff for a reason). i've also got no sleep for the past 3 weeks and have been posting more liberally than i would feel comfortable with online. it has something to do with getting a job after 6 months of relative unemployment. i use the internet more when i _have_ a job. when i don't have a job i'm too busy getting things done i don't bother with updating my website or my livejournal or anything like that. as far as the repeater goes, i don't miss the jamman and i don't enjoy the whole record-as-you-go looping idea. i'm old-school. i want to just dial in my delay length and go. i never make a loop not knowing how long i need it: everything's synced to MIDI clock. i make heavy use of sequencing for rhythm parts and the loopers are only there to help me impersonate robert fripp. sometimes i make klaus schulze-ish mellotron parts in the Repeater, but that's not common right now. the pitch shift doesn't work well enough to follow a chord progression (nor should it be expected to) and you can't really use all 8mb of onboard memory anyway. i do miss the EDP pair though. the quantise is the coolest thing about it. reverse loop makes no sense without quantisation. i never use reverse on the repeater because it's not useful to me it it's incomplete stage. if the repeater is resurrected by some company that _finishes_ it or otherwise improves on the concept i'll reconsider. stg/out ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 9 23:42:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3A3dXP25857; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 23:39:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 23:39:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b401c2ff12$97bdfca0$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <20030408053304.74945.qmail@web41001.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Mackie 1202vlz and loop devices config & Hotplates Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 21:38:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com they are great. i tried one last week. how much? jg ----- Original Message ----- From: John Tidwell To: Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 11:33 PM Subject: Re: Mackie 1202vlz and loop devices config & Hotplates > > --- Louie Angulo wrote: > > I however want to play through my tube > > guitar amplifier (because i dont like the sound i am > > getting directly into the mixer) and feed it into > > the mackie so that i can have the punchy tube sound > > looped. 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Edgar" , "Patrick Gallagher" , "Phil Cirocco" , "Phyllis Laufer" , "Renee Cohn" , "Rob Stewart" , "Robin Miller, Film Maker" , "Rod Gilkeson" , "Ronit Shemtov" , "Sandra Diehl" , "Scott Laughlin" , "Sheri Schneider" , "Stephanie Koles" , "Steve Lantaff" , "Stew Lindenberger" , "Tammy Eisenhart" , "tom shaw" , "Victoria Parks" , "Waveform" , , "Tae Darnell" , "Spotted Peccary" , "Sandra Bridgeford" , "Ron Boots" , "Regina Dounaevskaia" , "Oliver Schneewind \(TDI MUSIC\)" , "New Earth Records \(Laurie Cummins\)" , "Narada" , "musik international" , "Mike Griffin" , "Lisa at Projekt" , "Kathy Monahan" , "John Michael Zorko" , "Joe Winkle" , "Invisible Shadows" , "Ian Boddy" , "Grant Mackay" , "Eric Snelders" , "Ed Bonk" , "Dreyfus Records" , "Douglas Yoel" , "David Law" , "Dark Duck" , "Centaur Discs" , "Celestial Harmonies/Fortuna" , "Blue Chromium" , "Aucourant Records" , "Amplexus Record Label" , "Alexis Tedford: Thirsty Ear Radio Promotions" , "alexis lightwine" , "Al Margolis" , "Virtue Records" , "Hudson Valley Records" , "Dominic Gaudious" , "Wendy Spotz" , "Loopers Delight" , "GoldTri" , "Victor Cerullo" , "Tony Stoufer" , "subspace" , "Steve Roach" , "Steve Dinsdale" , "Stephen Parsick" , "Sl!m" , "Rudy Adrian" , "Robert Rich" , "Riley Roden" , "Revival Productions" , "Paul Nagle" , "Paul Mimlitsch" , "Nigel Mullaney" , "Michael Stearns" , "Markus Reuter" , "Marcel Engels" , "Klaus Hoffmann-Hoock" , "John Christian" , "Joerg Schaaf" , "Jeff Pearce" , "Jeff Greinke" , "Hans Vetter" , "Eirik Lie" , "Dom Scab" , "dino pacifici" , "DAC Crowell" , "Artemiy Artemiev" , "Kees Aerts" , "William Bennett Fox" , "Ambient Mailing List" , "Guy Stauffer" , "John Diliberto" , "weirdsue" , "Roseanne Scepansky" , "Richard Mason" , , "Miriam Lynn Nelson" , "Michael A. Jean" , "Michael" , "Larry Furman" , "karen davis" , "John R. Emerich" , "hendrixEXP" , "Donna Sherman" , "Delane Lipka" , "Carlo Ruggiero" , , "Art" , "Nicole" , "Bob Lennon" , "Bill Cummings" , "emf" , "David Cotner" , "Aharon Varady" , "Arts Electric" Subject: Instrumental Weekly Interview... Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 23:50:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jim Dlugosinski has published an interview with yours truely at www.instrumentalweekly.com ... Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 10 00:02:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3A3xHj29819; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 23:59:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 23:59:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006d01c2ff15$40d6a4c0$cf62f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200304100305.h3A35Am20859@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Tax Strategies for LOOPERS Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 20:57:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My accountant, who does a lot of work for artists and arts groups taught me something that I'd like to pass along. Think about it: Every April, the IRS is just slammed with overwork trying to work out everyone's taxes. Then again, when it comes time to process all of the 1st extensions of paying taxes, the IRS is inundated (and stressed out with overwork). By the time the IRS reaches the 2nd (and final extension) in October, they have reached a point where they just can't be stressed out all year long. Add to that, the fact that everyone who files a 2nd extension has already gone on record as saying, "I intend to pay my taxes but am just to do so now". They figure (and he used to work for them) that not only are people honest because they have reported in twice (to request the extension in the first place) but that the statistics of these people coming through with their tax payments are far higher than normal. Consequently, he is never audited!!! It cost about $50 - $100 more a year to pay the fines for making extensions but I find this more reassuring than having to argue the IRS auditors into why I deduct Dayglo Green Vibrating Dildos as musical costs..............LOL. For obvious reasons, do not pass this information around on line or if you do, remove my name from it. I am honest about paying my taxes but I just don't want to go through the trouble and expense of an audit. Signed, That translucent dayglo green plastic looper guy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 10 01:31:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3A5QlQ08788; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 01:26:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 01:26:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c901c2ff53$e5f9d880$9bf79840@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <200304100305.h3A35Am20859@hemlock.violacea.com> <006d01c2ff15$40d6a4c0$cf62f93f@global> Subject: Re: Tax Strategies for LOOPERS Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 12:25:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com how does one go about deducting music equipment purchases from your taxes? does music have to be your sole (or main) source of income...thus making it a business expense? -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 10 01:48:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3A5iND11018; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 01:44:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 01:44:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 22:43:47 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Getting rid of the Vortex... In-reply-to: <1049943788.3e94deece71c7@www.suitandtieguy.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <6699973E-6B17-11D7-A505-0003934CD2FA@zerocrossing.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, April 9, 2003, at 08:03 PM, erwill@suitandtieguy.com wrote: > as far as the repeater goes, i don't miss the jamman and i don't enjoy > the > whole record-as-you-go looping idea. i'm old-school. i want to just > dial in my > delay length and go. i never make a loop not knowing how long i need it: > everything's synced to MIDI clock. Have you ever tried my time tested method? Figure out the number of loops you'll use per sequence. I find that any more than 3 is too much. Record 3 empty loops per sequence. I don't always do 3, often one or two, depends on what I'm trying to do. There's your quantize. Start up your sequence and your empty loop starts too. Add to it at will. Start the next, go back, or start a third if you have one. What ever you'd like. Is it a work around? Yes. On the other hand, after a while I've grown to really like this way of working. It's like threading a tape machine. A limitation, but one that can be good to work with. > i do miss the EDP pair though. the quantise is the coolest thing about > it. > reverse loop makes no sense without quantisation. i never use reverse > on the repeater because it's not useful to me it it's incomplete stage. ? > if the > repeater is resurrected by some company that _finishes_ it or otherwise > improves on the concept i'll reconsider. > Don't hold your breath. I'm not saying the Repeater is for you. It's far from perfect, but most interesting gear has it's quirks. Show me a moog that's a perfect instrument and I'll.. well you get the idea. Some can work with and use it's limits and bugs (don't try to drive another delay from it's MIDI clock!) some can't. I'm not arguing anything, just playing devil's advocate. I don't mean any of this as a slight to the EDP, but you can't totally compare the two. I won't be able to for a while either. Doing my taxes tonight has pointed out that my withholding weren't withholding enough. I sold my Repeater to fund the war in Iraq I guess. (funny thing is it sold to a French citizen! FREEDOM LOOPING!) Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 10 01:51:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3A5lHq11364; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 01:47:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 01:47:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 22:46:54 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Tax Strategies for LOOPERS In-reply-to: <00c901c2ff53$e5f9d880$9bf79840@g0wn7> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As a multimedia designer I've been deducting music gear, CDs, Cable TV, movies, ect. How can I do my job if I'm not up on current and past media? Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, April 10, 2003, at 04:25 AM, jimfowler wrote: > how does one go about deducting music equipment purchases from your > taxes? > does music have to be your sole (or main) source of income...thus > making it > a business expense? > > -jim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 10 02:47:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3A6jkK16533; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 02:45:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 02:45:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030410064526.73809.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 23:45:26 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Tax Strategies for LOOPERS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00c901c2ff53$e5f9d880$9bf79840@g0wn7> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- jimfowler wrote: > how does one go about deducting music equipment > purchases from your taxes? > does music have to be your sole (or main) source of > income...thus making it > a business expense? > > -jim It's been a while since I've done this stuff, but... Income is a key word. You would need to be bringing in some money related to the equipment in question or at least have a business plan to show a reasonable expectation of making a go of it. Business is another key word. Most of us make music for fun. Maybe we call it a hobby or artistic expression. Neither one counts for much on a tax return. Business intent could be demonstrated by keeping the equipment in an area dedicated for business use. A port-a-studio in your bedroom doesn't cut it. Building a studio in your basement or back yard might. In any case, most of the equipment we use would be depreciated over a number of years rather than expensed all at once. In a business setting, guitar strings might be expensed since they are "used up" within a year. Your brand new Eventide is expected to last a bit longer however. I seem to to recall that there are some special rules that apply to performing artists. There might even be an IRS publication devoted to the topic. I'm afraid that I dealt with more Amway salesmen than musicians (shudder). John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 10 02:47:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3A6jWs16508; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 02:45:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 02:45:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004c01c2ff2c$b6b19350$bf08fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: Subject: Re: Tax Strategies for LOOPERS Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 00:45:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, music books, CDs, and stereo equipment are all part of your "library," which is essential as a musician so you can be competitive in the marketplace of musicians. And, certainly, dayglo green vibrators are an absolutely indispensable part of any half-way competent musican's arsenal. I think, in general, if you're going to try and deduct music items from your taxes, you will have to show some income from music. Probably music income = music deductions, at least. Otherwise you would smell a little fishy to me, if I were an IRS computer. I deduct: - Echoplex Digital Pros - LoopIV Upgrades - Computer equipment - Stereo equipment - Musical instruments (dayglo green vibrators) - CDs, DVDs (studying the interplay between the film and soundtrack, obviously) - Private lessons I take from other musicians - Music books - Strings - Tools for working on instruments - Cables - Mileage to/from gigs/lessons/rehearsals (I think the maximum deduction is like $0.36 per mile -- which is a lot when you've got almost 10,000 miles on your car from gig trips! Note: this only works if you have an office/studio in your house, because the first trip you make every day to work is classified as commuting -- but if your office is in your home, then you commute from your bedroom to your office and then everything else is a business trip.) - Out of town gig meals (Called "per diem," I believe -- every city has a different value you can deduct. Expensive places, like Vail, Colorado, have a per diem of almost $30 a day, I think.) - A percentage of my rent for my in-home office/studio - An equivalent percentage of my utility bills (gas, water, electric, phone) Luckily music is my occupation as well as my hobby, so I basically write off everything I buy. Not sure how much percentage of your income you have to show to take all this stuff off, but definitely find out if you're spending lots on gear. We should all be able to write it off. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 9:57 PM Subject: Tax Strategies for LOOPERS > > It cost about $50 - $100 more a year to pay the fines for making extensions > but I find this more reassuring than having to argue the IRS auditors into > why I deduct Dayglo Green Vibrating Dildos as musical > costs..............LOL. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 10 02:57:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3A6u5x17496; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 02:56:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 02:56:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 23:55:39 -0700 Subject: Re: Tax Strategies for LOOPERS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <004c01c2ff2c$b6b19350$bf08fc0c@amd> Message-Id: <70B07135-6B21-11D7-A505-0003934CD2FA@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, April 9, 2003, at 11:45 PM, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > And, certainly, dayglo green vibrators are an > absolutely indispensable part of any half-way competent musican's > arsenal. I, for one, would LOVE to see the audit conversation where Rick explains his dayglo green vibrator to an IRS agent. Priceless... Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 10 03:02:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3A71G919134; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 03:01:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 03:01:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030410070047.71210.qmail@web41001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 00:00:47 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Tax Strategies for LOOPERS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <70B07135-6B21-11D7-A505-0003934CD2FA@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > On Wednesday, April 9, 2003, at 11:45 PM, Jesse Ray > Lucas wrote: > > > And, certainly, dayglo green vibrators are an > > absolutely indispensable part of any half-way > competent musican's > > arsenal. > > I, for one, would LOVE to see the audit conversation > where Rick explains > his dayglo green vibrator to an IRS agent. > Priceless... I'll bet the auditor not only already has one, but his is bigger! :) John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 10 03:07:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3A75ve19508; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 03:05:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 03:05:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030410064526.73809.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030410064526.73809.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 00:01:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Tax Strategies for LOOPERS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:45 PM -0700 4/9/03, John Tidwell wrote: >In any case, most of the equipment we use would be depreciated over >a number of years rather than expensed all at once. In a business >setting, guitar >strings might be expensed since they are "used up" within a year. >Your brand new Eventide is expected to last a bit longer however. Major equipment purchases can be expensed within limits determined by the Schedule C income. This is easiest to justify if the item was purchase for 100% business use. Certain "listed" equipment (which includes computers and musical equipment) falls within these limitations. I recommend that those of you who don't have an accountant use a tax preparation program such as Turbotax. These typically come with electronic copies of federal tax guides and reference books. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 10 04:14:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3A8CbR26571; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 04:12:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 04:12:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <63.1b3331ff.2bc68152@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 04:12:02 EDT Subject: Re: Vortex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > On the Vortex you can morph > between two totally different sets of effects! That's the beauty. > What happens in the middle of the morph? Roll the dice and see! > Weeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrowowowowowpaapapapppaaaaaa. I tried to get info out of Lexicon which would have made this stuff predictable. I never got to speak to anyone who could even understand the questions. Basically there's times when a param in the A preset doesn't have an equivalent in the B (or vice versa of course), when you morph from A to B then that param heads off either to 0 or 64 (as if that param was in B and set to 0 or 64, although you can't see it) It's when those params go off to 64 that you get the extreme wierdness in the middle of the morph. > > On the MPX1, you can A/B between 2 versions of the same effect set with > different perimeters. Can you get really cool stuff this way? And > HOW. Not quite as "mad scientist" friendly, but cool in it's own way. Lexicon call this "Parameter Morphing" to distinguish it. As to Vortex sound quality, like the JamMan it samples at 32k so you lose the very top of the frequency range. However apart from the loss of those frequencies the actual quality is very good indeed. andy butler Lexicon Vortex Database From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 10 05:10:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3A98sA01139; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 05:08:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 05:08:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006d01c2ff40$baf7ff80$0100a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <20030410070047.71210.qmail@web41001.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Tax Strategies for LOOPERS Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 10:08:13 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Tidwell" To: Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 08:00:AM Subject: Re: Tax Strategies for LOOPERS > > --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > On Wednesday, April 9, 2003, at 11:45 PM, Jesse Ray > > Lucas wrote: > > > > > And, certainly, dayglo green vibrators are an > > > absolutely indispensable part of any half-way > > competent musican's > > > arsenal. > > > > I, for one, would LOVE to see the audit conversation > > where Rick explains > > his dayglo green vibrator to an IRS agent. > > Priceless... > > I'll bet the auditor not only already has one, but > his is bigger! No, the IRS just uses their big fist. > :) > > John > > > > ===== > John Tidwell > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > http://tax.yahoo.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 10 05:24:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3A9KWx02466; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 05:20:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 05:20:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006501c2ff42$5a170e20$77f387d9@SP33DST3R> Reply-To: "Mike Edwards" From: "Mike Edwards" To: Subject: self powered clip mic for sampler Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 10:19:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0062_01C2FF4A.BB31C8A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C2FF4A.BB31C8A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello list I hope this isn't considered too off topic but I was looking for a mic = recommendation. I want to make ambient location recordings with a Roland = MS-1 battery powered sampler. This will sample to a 20mb flash disk at = 44.1khz 16 bits so I want a fairly decent mic to capture the audio. I've heard good things about these http://www.core-sound.com/lcmics.html = but would prefer to find something in the UK so it can be returned if = the results aren't great. Any ideas? Thanks, Mike ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C2FF4A.BB31C8A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 = 10:39=20 PM
Subject: How to make bump free = drones in=20 EDP?

When I make drones using the EDP = (Loop IV)=20 most of the time, I get a little bump and I can=92t figure out the = best way to=20 deal with it.  I know that I can go directly into Overdub to = smooth=20 things out, but then Feedback gets set to 95% and the drone will = eventually=20 die ... Not a good thing for this particular song I am preparing for. =  I=20 know if hit start playing, hit Record wait for a short while and then = hit=20 Record again, trying to keep my level as un-wavering as possible, I = can almost=20 create a seamless drone; but sometimes even if I seem to play = correctly, I=20 still get this little burst of volume that creates a bump that is=20  definitely noticeable.  Anyone have any=20 = suggestions?

Thanks,
Steve
 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C30228.F9DC0800-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 14 02:13:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3E6BFd05955; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 02:11:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 02:11:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030414061052.402.qmail@web40513.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 23:10:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Repeater: Crash or unwitting trigger? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030413205911.12546.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com with my repeater ive discovered that a click sound(but not that loud) occurs when you are looping into the card Mysterioso... Cheers L.a --- Evan Meyers wrote: > i've had this happen before. i don't know what my > patch was, but i do remember a loud clicking > happening > and i tried to use the on/off for the metronome > figuring that was what it was, to no avail. i was > unable to replicate the problem so i just wrote it > off > as a fluke of the device (these things do have > bugs). > > i also have some sort of combination of patches that > i > use that always triggers the stereo track selection > for 3 and 4, but i can't figure out what causes it, > but it has happened on a few occassions. i;ve > checked > and rechecked my paramaters and the only thing i can > think is causing it is by doing certain combinations > after doing others these problems will surface. i'm > not sure how repeaters are programmed, but there > could > be a variable or something that is never cleared > out? > > it's a shame that electrix has folded (anyone know > if > any company or people are going to pick up the > repeater and finish the OS1.2?), but bugs or not, it > is a fairly reliable device (but always be prepared > for the unexpected in a live situation)...but for > the > unique track recording, i wouldn't trade mine in for > anything! > > ~e va n > > --- Zoe Keating wrote: > > I had a scary thing happen to me last night while > > performing with the > > Repeater. Controlling the device with the > Behringer > > FCB1010, I had built up > > a multi-track loop. I hit a single patch that was > > set up to A) change the > > pan settings on Tracks 2 & 4 , B) arm the left > > footpedal to control volume > > on Tracks 1 & 2 and C) arm the right footpedal to > > control volume on Tracks 3 > > & 4. I had used this patch twice before during > > different pieces in the same > > performance. > > > > This time when I hit the patch an INCREDIBLY LOUD > > ticking sound completely > > obliterated what I was doing. It was at least 3 > > times as loud as the nice > > cello loops I had going. It sounded ominously like > > the metronome. I hit stop > > immediately but the ticking kept on. In a mild > > panic, the only thing I could > > think of to make it shut up was to turn off the > > Repeater. There being no > > power button, I had to turn off the entire > > power-conditioner and all devices > > connected to it (note to self: isolate the > > Repeater!). > > > > So, this morning I've tried to recreate this > > Bug/Crash/Error/Unwitting-trigger and I can't seem > > to get it to happen! I > > examined my Behringer programming to make sure I > > didn't accidentally bury > > some other function in the patch. Nope. In the > > manual I see no mention of a > > CC or PC number that would turn the metronome on > or > > off. So how did I > > manage this with my feet? Did I confuse the > Repeater > > somehow? > > > > Has anyone else experienced anything like this? > > > > thanks very much. Confusedly, Zoe > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, > and more > http://tax.yahoo.com > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 14 02:40:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3E6drO07989; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 02:39:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 02:39:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c30250$d82d42f0$a1a45e82@audiows> From: "David Auker" To: References: <200304140351.h3E3pQO24019@hemlock.violacea.com> <005701c30247$dda334a0$f861f93f@global> Subject: Re: Crash or unwitting trigger Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 23:41:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >...if you hold the pitchkey down longer > than a second that it will trigger the metronome. Actually, I think it's holding the Tempo Lock button which starts the metronome. (Then, if you want to use it, quickly turn the volume down with a twist of Tempo knob whilst holding Tempo Lock button...1-50 increments, and 50 is really loud!) David A. =-=- Rick Walker/Loop.pooL said: > Hey Zoe, > > I've had this happen to me twice in the middle of big shows > and then Bill hipped me to the fact that if you hold the pitch > key down longer than a second that it will trigger the metronome. > > > I HATE THE METRONOME...............wish it could be disconnected. > but I LOVE MY REPEATER, warts and all.............nothing does what it > does....... > > ..........to take nothing away from the EDP which mangles more > sophisticatedly than > any other looper (imho). > > They are just different beasts........... > > Any chance that you might have had your hands on the Pitch button or, as > Mark > has suggested that you have accidentally programmed to many messages into > the > FCB 1010. > > yours, Rick > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 14 04:30:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3E8TP317230; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 04:29:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 04:29:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c3025f$e85f1540$bf08fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <200304140351.h3E3pQO24019@hemlock.violacea.com> <005701c30247$dda334a0$f861f93f@global> <003001c30250$d82d42f0$a1a45e82@audiows> Subject: Akai going under??? Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 02:29:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A buddy of mine is a keyboard rep for Yamaha and his supervisor told him that Akai's U.S. division went under last week -- like, closed down the offices and sold the furniture and everything. I haven't been able to find anything about this on the web. I'm curious if it's true. Anybody heard anything about this? -Jesse From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 14 07:42:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3EBbS401374; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 07:37:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 07:37:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 06:37:06 -0500 Subject: Re: How to make bump free drones in EDP? From: Steve Ginn To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004001c30279$16e76e30$8ccdf5d1@g0wn7> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3133147026_1994106" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3133147026_1994106 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable On 4/14/03 6:29 AM, "jimfowler" wrote: > how i make drones: put the edp in delay mode, roll the guitar's volume do= wn, > strike a note and fade it in. for this to work right (i.e. no bumps or d= ips > in the sound) the loop has to be short... > =20 > if you need a longer delay/loop time, you might want to check on a simple > delay pedal and apply the same principal as mentioned above. > =20 > if you need to be in loop mode, i would create and empty loop of the desi= red > length, hit overdub and fade in...might take a few runs through to get th= e > drone up to the right volume, but you can stack them for a richer sound. > =20 > -jim >=20 Hi Jim, First off, I failed to mention that I am playing an EWI, not a guitar. Not that I can=B9t swell with an EWI, but ... Won=B9t fading in like this create a drone that continually goes from soft to loud? I am needing to produce a drone that sounds like a sustained note at a single volume level. Maybe I am misunderstanding your suggestion. I know several individuals have suggested using overdub in some form or another. The problem with overdub, even if you stop the recording and immediately hit overdub again to take it out of overdub, is that it sets feedback (according to the manual) to 95%, and as the song progresses, the drone gets softer until it eventually fades out. The only way I have successfully produced a drone that stays at a single volume level is to use record to end the recording with a single pass. Thanks, Steve --B_3133147026_1994106 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: How to make bump free drones in EDP? On 4/14/03 6:29 AM, "jimfowler" <jimfowle= r@prodigy.net> wrote:

how i make drones: p= ut the edp in delay mode, roll the guitar's volume down, strike a note and f= ade it in.  for this to work right (i.e. no bumps or dips in the sound)= the loop has to be short...
if you need a longer delay/loop time, you might want to chec= k on a simple delay pedal and apply the same principal as mentioned above.
if you need to be in loop mode, i would create and empty loo= p of the desired length, hit overdub and fade in...might take a few runs thr= ough to get the drone up to the right volume, but you can stack them for a r= icher sound.
-jim


Hi Jim,

First off, I failed to mention that I am playing an EWI, not a guitar. &nbs= p;Not that I can’t swell with an EWI, but ...

Won’t fading in like this create a drone that continually goes from s= oft to loud?  I am needing to produce a drone that sounds like a sustai= ned note at a single volume level.  Maybe I am misunderstanding your su= ggestion.

I know several individuals have suggested using overdub in some form or ano= ther.  The problem with overdub, even if you stop the recording and imm= ediately hit overdub again to take it out of overdub, is that it sets feedba= ck (according to the manual) to 95%, and as the song progresses, the drone g= ets softer until it eventually fades out.  The only way I have successf= ully produced a drone that stays at a single volume level is to use record t= o end the recording with a single pass.

Thanks,
Steve --B_3133147026_1994106-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 14 07:45:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3EBf0R01765; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 07:41:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 07:41:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 06:40:29 -0500 Subject: Re: How to make bump free drones in EDP? From: Steve Ginn To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000a01c3024a$81726860$0affff0a@hppav> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3133147229_2004536" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3133147229_2004536 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I failed to mention that I play the EWI, not a guitar. Anyway, are you saying to set the EDP to delay for 450 ms? I am trying to play a solo violin sound that has a single sustained note that plays until = I am ready to end it. On 4/14/03 12:55 AM, "David" wrote: > try this: > =20 > guitar --> volume pedal --> delay set to 450 ms -- edp. > swell the volume slowly, "fill the delay", do it again... > =20 > =20 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Steve Ginn >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 10:39 PM >> Subject: How to make bump free drones in EDP? >>=20 >> When I make drones using the EDP (Loop IV) most of the time, I get a lit= tle >> bump and I can=92t figure out the best way to deal with it. I know that I= can >> go directly into Overdub to smooth things out, but then Feedback gets se= t to >> 95% and the drone will eventually die ... Not a good thing for this >> particular song I am preparing for. I know if hit start playing, hit Re= cord >> wait for a short while and then hit Record again, trying to keep my leve= l as >> un-wavering as possible, I can almost create a seamless drone; but somet= imes >> even if I seem to play correctly, I still get this little burst of volum= e >> that creates a bump that is definitely noticeable. Anyone have any >> suggestions? >>=20 >> Thanks, >> Steve >=20 --B_3133147229_2004536 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: How to make bump free drones in EDP? I failed to mention that I play the EWI, not a guitar.=

Anyway, are you saying to set the EDP to delay for 450 ms?  I am tryin= g to play a solo violin sound that has a single sustained note that plays un= til I  am ready to end it.


On 4/14/03 12:55 AM, "David" <vze2ncsr@verizon.net> wrote:<= BR>
try this:
guitar --> volume pedal --> = delay set to 450 ms -- edp.
swell the volume slowly, "fill the delay", do it again...
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Ginn <mailto:sginn@mac.com>  
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 10:39 PM
Subject: How to make bump free drones in EDP?

When I make drones using the EDP (Loop IV) most of the time, I get a little= bump and I can=92t figure out the best way to deal with it.  I know that= I can go directly into Overdub to smooth things out, but then Feedback gets= set to 95% and the drone will eventually die ... Not a good thing for this = particular song I am preparing for.  I know if hit start playing, hit R= ecord wait for a short while and then hit Record again, trying to keep my le= vel as un-wavering as possible, I can almost create a seamless drone; but so= metimes even if I seem to play correctly, I still get this little burst of v= olume that creates a bump that is  definitely noticeable.  Anyone = have any suggestions?

Thanks,
Steve


 --B_3133147229_2004536-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 14 08:16:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3ECFpg05108; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 08:15:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 08:15:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: How to make bump free drones in EDP? Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:15:37 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <000601c3027f$8ee99240$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Steve Ginn [mailto:sginn@mac.com] Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 1:37 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How to make bump free drones in EDP? > The problem with overdub, even if you stop the > recording and immediately hit overdub again to > take it out of overdub, is that it sets feedback > (according to the manual) to 95%, and as the song > progresses, the drone gets softer until it eventually fades out. Oh, I haven't noticed that. But maybe that's because I'm using a midi foot controller (the Behringer FCB1010) and control the EDP feedback level from a midi expression pedal? If I'm right about that (am I...?), a tip for you would be to use midi feedback controller. Then you might be able to end the first loop by going "overdub" without having that automatic 95 percent feedback kicking in. Best wishes Per Boysen ------------- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 14 09:47:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3EDhGK17444; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 09:43:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 09:43:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 08:43:01 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: one tip for looping w/ 4-track recorder (analog tape) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i played around w/ my (old tascam) 4 track tape recorder this weekend and discovered one little tidbit for helping w/ timing of 20 sec loop (current length of looping tape that i have to experiment with). i recorded a quick percussive bit. "zero'd" counter out and then checked to see how long the counter played until the loop started playing over. not sure why it took me so long to figure that one out (I'M SLOW I GUESS, DUH!!!). on my old tascam porta 05, the 20 sec of looping time almost corresponded w/ the counter, i think it was hitting between 20 and 21 counter marks when it started over again. oh well, just an fyi for those using 4-track tape recorders as loopers. s--- -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 14 11:10:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3EF9SB28369; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:09:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:09:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3618076.1050332910552.JavaMail.sginn@mac.com> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 08:08:30 -0700 From: Steve Ginn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Akai going under??? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com They closed down Akai Music in Fort Worth but reopened with a new distributor in California. Steve On Monday, April 14, 2003, at 01:29AM, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: >A buddy of mine is a keyboard rep for Yamaha and his supervisor told him >that Akai's U.S. division went under last week -- like, closed down the >offices and sold the furniture and everything. I haven't been able to find >anything about this on the web. I'm curious if it's true. Anybody heard >anything about this? > >-Jesse > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 14 11:29:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3EFQ3d30011; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:26:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:26:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030414082244.04be33a8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 08:25:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: How to make bump free drones in EDP? In-Reply-To: References: <00e901c30117$86e18cb0$6501a8c0@p4> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:39 PM 4/13/2003, Steve Ginn wrote: >When I make drones using the EDP (Loop IV) most of the time, I get a >little bump and I can t figure out the best way to deal with it. I know >that I can go directly into Overdub to smooth things out, but then >Feedback gets set to 95% and the drone will eventually die ... Not a good >thing for this particular song I am preparing for. turn overdub off after you are done creating the loop. >I know if hit start playing, hit Record wait for a short while and then >hit Record again, trying to keep my level as un-wavering as possible, I >can almost create a seamless drone; but sometimes even if I seem to play >correctly, I still get this little burst of volume that creates a bump >that is definitely noticeable. Anyone have any suggestions? go directly into overdub from the record to overlap the sounds, and use a volume control to ramp in and out of the sound so you don't have any attack or release sound. also, please don't post in html. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 14 11:36:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3EFWiu30672; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:32:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:32:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030414082655.02b1a740@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 08:32:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: How to make bump free drones in EDP? In-Reply-To: References: <004001c30279$16e76e30$8ccdf5d1@g0wn7> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:37 AM 4/14/2003, Steve Ginn wrote: >Won t fading in like this create a drone that continually goes from soft >to loud? I am needing to produce a drone that sounds like a sustained >note at a single volume level. Maybe I am misunderstanding your suggestion. the point is to overlap the sustained parts of the sound by overdubbing it a few times. the volume control is for smoothing out the attack so you don't notice it at all after the loop is recorded. >I know several individuals have suggested using overdub in some form or >another. The problem with overdub, even if you stop the recording and >immediately hit overdub again to take it out of overdub, is that it sets >feedback (according to the manual) to 95%, and as the song progresses, the >drone gets softer until it eventually fades out. no, overdub only reduces the feedback while overdub is on, to reduce the likelihood of overloading the loop. More precisely, overdub only reduces the feedback while overdub is on and you are actually playing something into the loop. where in the manual do you see it saying otherwise? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 14 11:39:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3EFZqt31194; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:35:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:35:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 08:35:34 -0700 Subject: Re: How to make bump free drones in EDP? From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 4/14/03 4:37 AM, Steve Ginn at sginn@mac.com wrote: > I know several individuals have suggested using overdub in some form or > another. The problem with overdub, even if you stop the recording and > immediately hit overdub again to take it out of overdub, is that it sets > feedback (according to the manual) to 95%, and as the song progresses, the > drone gets softer until it eventually fades out. The only way I have > successfully produced a drone that stays at a single volume level is to use > record to end the recording with a single pass. If you exit overdub, it goes to whatever it's play mode overdub setting is. For what you are doing, you could just crank the knob all the way up and probably be fine. If you like to have overdub set lower while evolving things, I recommend using Expert mode without a feedback footpedal. I've been pretty successful generating seamless loops (though generally not of pure drones) using the record-overdub-exit overdub approach and there isn't a problem with them fading away after exiting overdub if I haven't been sloppy about feedback settings somewhere (footpedals being the usual cause for that). Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 14 11:41:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3EFcfk31626; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:38:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:38:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: faisal@mail.interfree.it Message-Id: Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 17:36:17 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: faisal moro Subject: [FOR SALE] Jamman, 32 seconds Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi all selling a Jamman, expanded, works perfectly, pics avaliable if interested. located in italy, ship worldwide. 350,00 euro thanks for looking! Faisal From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 14 12:16:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3EGFQl04494; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:15:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:15:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7273331.1050336895594.JavaMail.sginn@mac.com> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 09:14:55 -0700 From: Steve Ginn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How to make bump free drones in EDP? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2VWHU.A.aFB.B6tm-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, April 14, 2003, at 08:32AM, Kim Flint wrote: >no, overdub only reduces the feedback while overdub is on, to reduce the >likelihood of overloading the loop. More precisely, overdub only reduces >the feedback while overdub is on and you are actually playing something >into the loop. > >where in the manual do you see it saying otherwise? > on pdf page 41, Reference 4-17 "Feedback Knob" ... "For most looping operations, feedback is set to 100% ... " "While you're overdubbing or multiplying, the feedback level is scaled back to about 95% to prevent overloading the Echoplex with the combination of the old signal and the new." Maybe I am missunderstanding this but ... I recorded a loop using the overdub method (with Feedback set to 100% using a midi pedal), turning overdub off after creating the loop and the loop after a short while began to gradually fade to almost nothing. When creating the loop by ending it with record instead of overdub, the loop played indefinitely with no reduction in sound level. With this test, I found it pretty convincing that using overdub, it is not possible to keep feedback set to 100% and prevent the loop from fading. If I am missing something here, please help me understand the right way. Thanks, Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 14 12:25:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3EGMwr05393; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:22:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:22:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4927573.1050337365168.JavaMail.sginn@mac.com> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 09:22:45 -0700 From: Steve Ginn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How to make bump free drones in EDP? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9Nf95C.A.wTB.WBum-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, April 14, 2003, at 08:35AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > >I've been pretty successful generating seamless loops (though generally not >of pure drones) using the record-overdub-exit overdub approach and there >isn't a problem with them fading away after exiting overdub if I haven't >been sloppy about feedback settings somewhere (footpedals being the usual >cause for that). > Do you think then having a midi pedal set up to control the Feedback level (as I do), it is somehow causing feedback to be less than 100%? Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 14 12:53:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3EGqQo09147; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:52:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:52:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <16b.1d24ff79.2bcc4115@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:51:33 EDT Subject: Re: RE: How to make bump free drones in EDP? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > The problem with overdub, even if you stop the > > recording and immediately hit overdub again to > > take it out of overdub, is that it sets feedback > > (according to the manual) to 95%, after ending record with Overdub, hit Overdub again to switch it off ! ......also fyi the 95% feedback on Overdub thing won't happen if there's no input to the EDP. Watch the little LCD point at the bottom of the loop number indicator on the display. When that flashes an "auto-undo" has been performed, which means that the loop is preserved exactly. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 14 13:01:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3EH0f511491; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:00:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:00:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: How to make bump free drones in EDP? Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:58:14 -0500 Message-ID: <016d01c302a7$0a89c1a0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <7273331.1050336895594.JavaMail.sginn@mac.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i have an older oberheim edp with loopIIIv5 and had this problem. sadly, i changed several things and am not sure which fixed it. 1. replaced regulator chip with lower heat version. 2. cut pin 5 of U12 as described here: http://www.loopersdelight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ6.html#thermal 3. changed R30 and R10 as described here: http://www.loopersdelight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ6.html#Anchor-47383 (this should have no effect on the loop fading) 4. replaced the crystals with some supplied by andy ewen. (i think this is probably what fixed it.) i believe it was working well after this, but since then i have also installed loopIV... note that if you have a newer gibson model, it should have all of these already. (though, i'm not sure about the crystals) hope that helps... > ... > I recorded a loop using the overdub method (with Feedback set > to 100% using a midi pedal), turning overdub off after > creating the loop and the loop after a short while began to > gradually fade to almost nothing. When creating the loop by > ending it with record instead of overdub, the loop played > indefinitely with no reduction in sound level. With this > test, I found it pretty convincing that using overdub, it is > not possible to keep feedback set to 100% and prevent the > loop from fading. If I am missing something here, please > help me understand the right way. > > Thanks, > Steve > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 14 13:05:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3EH51b12114; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:05:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:05:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E9AEA6F.5D47A330@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:05:51 -0400 From: "roguemus@ix.netcom.com" Organization: Rogue Music LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Akai going under??? References: <200304140351.h3E3pQO24019@hemlock.violacea.com> <005701c30247$dda334a0$f861f93f@global> <003001c30250$d82d42f0$a1a45e82@audiows> <000901c3025f$e85f1540$bf08fc0c@amd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop018.verizon.net from [151.202.187.180] at Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:04:30 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The US distributorer has closed up but Akai is still in business and will have another distributor soon. Dick Michaels Rogue Music NYC Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > A buddy of mine is a keyboard rep for Yamaha and his supervisor told him > that Akai's U.S. division went under last week -- like, closed down the > offices and sold the furniture and everything. I haven't been able to find > anything about this on the web. I'm curious if it's true. Anybody heard > anything about this? > > -Jesse From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 14 13:06:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3EH5gv12267; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:05:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:05:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.144.36.162] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How to deal with bump in EDP Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 10:05:15 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Apr 2003 17:05:16.0096 (UTC) FILETIME=[052AD400:01C302A8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My advice would be to love and accept the bump. If you're embarrassed about your loop interval time being too noticeable, create several other bumps in the same loop so people won't know which one is the real one. Personally, I love hearing the intervals of loops in music, especially if they don't specifically coincide with the music's rhythm. Steve said: >When I make drones using the EDP (Loop IV) most of the time, I get a little >bump and I can’t figure out the best way to deal with it. I know that I >can go directly into Overdub to smooth things out, but then Feedback gets >set to 95% and the drone will eventually die ... Not a good thing for this >particular song I am preparing for. I know if hit start playing, hit >Record wait for a short while and then hit Record again, trying to keep my >level as un-wavering as possible, I can almost create a seamless drone; but >sometimes even if I seem to play correctly, I still get this little burst >of volume that creates a bump that is definitely noticeable. Anyone have >any suggestions? _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 14 13:46:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3EHfRJ16921; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:41:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:41:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.62.107.20] X-Originating-Email: [nickschillace@hotmail.com] From: "Nick Schillace" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: More MPX-G2 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:40:36 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Apr 2003 17:40:36.0407 (UTC) FILETIME=[F4F89C70:01C302AC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has there been a MPX-G2 vs. G Force thread? _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 14 13:49:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3EHjx017409; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:45:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:45:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 10:48:43 -0700 Subject: Re: How to deal with bump in EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <5587BEE4-6EA1-11D7-99FB-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h3EHjmB17362 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree with Matt. I'm all for the constant drone from time to time, but I kind of feel using a looper to achieve it is kind of a waste. Why not just have some sort of synth tone and duct tape a key down? (if money is an issue you can get a $5 garage sale Casio and do great stuff with it, I swear)I used to play with a guy who did this with an old Moog and it worked great. Using a volume pedal and (in the case of guitar) a Sustainiac or eBow you can create pretty seamless loops with the EDP, but it's almost impossible to have a perfect drone. If anything, you're going to have tone overlap which is going to cause some phase stuff that has it's own overtone rhythm... which I think is very cool. I'll even do some slight string bending or whammy bar stuff to detune parts to feature that effect. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, April 14, 2003, at 10:05 AM, matt davignon wrote: > My advice would be to love and accept the bump. If you're embarrassed > about your loop interval time being too noticeable, create several > other bumps in the same loop so people won't know which one is the > real one. > > Steve said: > >> When I make drones using the EDP (Loop IV) most of the time, I get a >> little bump and I can’t figure out the best way to deal with it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 14 14:04:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3EI0TE20181; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:00:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:00:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E9AF5B9.7371C099@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 10:54:01 -0700 From: Daryl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: one tip for looping w/ 4-track recorder (analog tape) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com cool!...you can also adjust the length of the loop a little bit using the pitch control, so if you record a repeating bit and get a flam at the end, try speeding or slowing it a bit and recording it again. Daryl Shaw highhorse@mhorse.com > i played around w/ my (old tascam) 4 track tape recorder > this weekend and discovered one little tidbit for helping w/ > timing of 20 sec loop (current length of looping tape that i have > to experiment with). i recorded a quick percussive bit. "zero'd" > counter out and then checked to see how long the counter played > until the loop started playing over. not sure why it took me so long > to figure that one out (I'M SLOW I GUESS, DUH!!!). on my old tascam > porta 05, the 20 sec of looping time almost corresponded w/ the > counter, i think it was > hitting between 20 and 21 counter marks when it started over again. > oh well, just an fyi for those using 4-track tape recorders as > loopers. > s--- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 14 14:12:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3EI8lX20933; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:08:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:08:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:08:08 -0400 From: Paulzric@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How to deal with bump in EDP MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <496A4DA2.3F2203E4.007D6382@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Personally, as a person, we like to pulsate the drone. They are--in being--to snatch in vain the inimitable moment from a modicum of holy space, the manifestation of God, the single step in the dance of Siva, the digital snap shot... it is the ontological essence of now's greater mind...this is the essence of drone: to recapitulate the reinstantiation of now upon now upon now upon now. Na Haam, amen, adieu, hallelujah, peace be with you. How can one deal with what is undealt? The drone is the onomatopoeia of the sound "life." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 14 14:22:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3EILvV21973; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:21:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:21:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:21:27 -0700 Subject: Re: How to make bump free drones in EDP? From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4927573.1050337365168.JavaMail.sginn@mac.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 4/14/03 9:22 AM, Steve Ginn at sginn@mac.com wrote: > Do you think then having a midi pedal set up to control the Feedback level (as > I do), it is somehow causing feedback to be less than 100%? I think there was a thread recently about people having trouble with the values being sent by MIDI pedals. I don't recall the details. My brief round of using MIDI to control the EDP didn't have such problems as I recall, but I've been sticking to direct controls of late mostly out of dissatisfaction with the available MIDI pedals rather than out of any problems controlling the EDP. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 14 14:27:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3EIQcY22845; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:26:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:26:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030414111848.0473f008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:26:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: How to make bump free drones in EDP? In-Reply-To: <7273331.1050336895594.JavaMail.sginn@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <388ryD.A.ifF.M1vm-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:14 AM 4/14/2003, Steve Ginn wrote: > On Monday, April 14, 2003, at 08:32AM, Kim Flint > wrote: > > >no, overdub only reduces the feedback while overdub is on, to reduce the > >likelihood of overloading the loop. More precisely, overdub only reduces > >the feedback while overdub is on and you are actually playing something > >into the loop. > > > >where in the manual do you see it saying otherwise? > > > >on pdf page 41, Reference 4-17 "Feedback Knob" > >... "For most looping operations, feedback is set to 100% ... " >"While you're overdubbing or multiplying, the feedback level is scaled >back to about 95% to prevent overloading the Echoplex with the combination >of the old signal and the new." > >Maybe I am missunderstanding this but ... I think that pretty clearly says that this feedback reduction only occurs while overdub is on. When you turn overdub off again, the feedback returns to whatever you had it set to before. >I recorded a loop using the overdub method (with Feedback set to 100% >using a midi pedal), turning overdub off after creating the loop and the >loop after a short while began to gradually fade to almost nothing. Then you must have set the feedback to a different level in some other way. It had nothing to do with turning off overdub. You might have had the feedback knob turned down less than 100% before you started, or you some how reduced it afterwards. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 14 14:42:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3EIeSa24278; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:40:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:40:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030414113702.04a41008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:40:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: More MPX-G2 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:40 AM 4/14/2003, Nick Schillace wrote: >Has there been a MPX-G2 vs. G Force thread? is there much reason to? The g-force doesn't have a looper in it. The two delays in it only have 740ms of delay time each, or if you put the two in series you can get 1.48s. Not very interesting for looping. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 14 14:46:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3EIiwn24700; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:44:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:44:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <933283.1050345875685.JavaMail.sginn@mac.com> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:44:35 -0700 From: Steve Ginn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How to make bump free drones in EDP? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, April 14, 2003, at 11:26AM, Kim Flint wrote: >Then you must have set the feedback to a different level in some other way. >It had nothing to do with turning off overdub. You might have had the >feedback knob turned down less than 100% before you started, or you some >how reduced it afterwards. > I will certainly go back again this evening and double check everything again (sort of like a double double check) to make sure I didn't miss something; which is entirely possible. I will first try this and then I will try Per's suggestion of turning on the EDP last in my rig. I certainly don't want to resort to the final suggestions that Jim Fowler made regarding sending the unit back for new crystals or something to that effect. Its already been back to Gibson once for another incident a few weeks after I purchased it. Thanks, Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 14 15:04:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3EJ2Dl27465; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:02:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:02:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007d01c302b7$ff4b46e0$f362f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200304141510.h3EFAX128466@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Crash or Unwitting Trigger Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:59:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David Auker wrote: "Actually, I think it's holding the Tempo Lock button which starts the metronome. (Then, if you want to use it, quickly turn the volume down with a twist of Tempo knob whilst holding Tempo Lock button...1-50 increments, and 50 is really loud!)" oooops, you are right, David, pardon me and thanks......... I never knew how to change the volume. This has happened to me twice when I was doing absolutely nothing to the unit in the way of a command, so.......... I suppose that Zoe's workaround, then, is to just turn the metronome volume down at the start of every session...........I assume it would be a global function. Yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 14 15:13:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3EJ8QY28175; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:08:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:08:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030414115828.02b25910@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:08:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Using midi to control tempo on EDP In-Reply-To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAECE@LON-MAIL07> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:55 AM 4/12/2003, Steve Ginn wrote: >I am wondering if this is possible ... > >I would like to program my footpedal to have some base starting tempos for >the EDP (IV) and then have two pedals programmed that could >increment/decrement in +-1 or +-5 bpm values to adjust the tempo in real >time. In LoopIV you can set tempos in advance of recording a loop using the TempoSelect feature. These tempos can then be saved in a preset. In this way, you can recall a predefined tempo by simply sending a midi program change command to select that preset. (or select it from the front panel while in reset.) Once you have a tempo set, you can also fine tune it in the TempoSelect mode. Check the LoopIV manual for details. >I have noticed that often times for me it is difficult to tap the correct >tempo with my foot, especially when maybe all that is needed is a beat or >two speed up or down to get the tempo closer. consider tapping record to be a musical action, like playing a note. practice tapping in rhythm. You might also try setting the 8ths/cycle value to something like 2, so that a cycle is equal to one beat. >Also, since I would like to use my EDP as the master tempo source for my >entire rig (effects, etc.) I would like to adjust the EDP tempo without >having to necessarily use it for looping. I believe I remember someone >saying that you could tap on the record button (I think?) to set up a >tempo that is output to the rest of the gear without having to begin >recording with the EDP; is this correct? yes, that is one way. (make sure you have sync=out). Also, using the TempoSelect feature you can set a tempo and have the Echoplex send midi clock without recording a loop. (and again, you can use a preset to do this.) You can then command it to send a StartSong message to start up other devices. You can then record a loop on the EDP later if you want, locked to your tempo. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 14 16:02:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3EJsT901476; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:54:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:54:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4821561.1050350046931.JavaMail.sginn@mac.com> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:54:06 -0700 From: Steve Ginn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Using midi to control tempo on EDP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <53oVLC.A.kW.gHxm-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Kim, ok, according the LoopIV upgrade manual about TempoSelect, the tempo can be fine tuned with the insert and mute buttons. In order to facilitate the use of these two buttons, could these buttons be mapped to a couple of buttons on a pedal? Aren't these two buttons essentially acting as what the manual calls a "DataWheel"? Can the DataWheel be controlled by a midi continuous controller that is able to automatically increment or decrement just by holding the button rather than pressing it multiple times? Also, how does Overdub work while in SyncRecord mode? From my understanding of the manual, once the tempo has been selected, the beginning and ending points of the loop/cycle are already defined. Can drones be recorded in predefined lengths using this method and should Overdub be used in these cases to create a smooth drone? thanks, Steve On Monday, April 14, 2003, at 12:08PM, Kim Flint wrote: >At 09:55 AM 4/12/2003, Steve Ginn wrote: >>I am wondering if this is possible ... >> >>I would like to program my footpedal to have some base starting tempos for >>the EDP (IV) and then have two pedals programmed that could >>increment/decrement in +-1 or +-5 bpm values to adjust the tempo in real >>time. > >In LoopIV you can set tempos in advance of recording a loop using the >TempoSelect feature. These tempos can then be saved in a preset. In this >way, you can recall a predefined tempo by simply sending a midi program >change command to select that preset. (or select it from the front panel >while in reset.) > >Once you have a tempo set, you can also fine tune it in the TempoSelect >mode. Check the LoopIV manual for details. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 14 16:16:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3EKCmC04819; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:12:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:12:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:10:30 -0700 Subject: Re: Crash or Unwitting Trigger From: Zoe Keating To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007d01c302b7$ff4b46e0$f362f93f@global> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks. I'll see if I can figure out how to set the metronome volume. Then at least if it gets triggered again, no one should hear it. The mystery still is how it gets triggered... Thanks for the help! Zoe > From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:59:37 -0700 > To: > Subject: Crash or Unwitting Trigger > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:01:26 -0400 > > David Auker wrote: > > "Actually, I think it's holding the Tempo Lock button which starts the > metronome. (Then, if you want to use it, quickly turn the volume down with > a twist of Tempo knob whilst holding Tempo Lock button...1-50 increments, > and 50 is really loud!)" > > > > oooops, you are right, David, pardon me and thanks......... I never knew > how to change the volume. > > This has happened to me twice when I was doing absolutely nothing to the > unit in the way of a command, so.......... > > I suppose that Zoe's workaround, then, is to just turn the metronome volume > down at the start of every session...........I assume it would be a global > function. > > Yours, Rick > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 14 16:32:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3EKUSF06744; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:30:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:30:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:32:04 -0400 Subject: Re: How to deal with the bump in EDP From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200304142016.h3EKGAh05335@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > My advice would be to love and accept the bump. If you're embarrassed about > your loop interval time being too noticeable, create several other bumps in > the same loop so people won't know which one is the real one. Kind of like plucking tamboura strings in Indian music. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 14 19:16:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3ENFNo25123; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 19:15:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 19:15:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: Pitch to MIDI Unit Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 01:14:30 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <000101c302db$9a20a570$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <01fd01c2fc97$8c1d8000$2163f93f@global> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <-r8Rc.A.qHG.ZD0m-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, A friend told be about this web page: http://tomscarff.tripod.com/pitch_midi/pitch_to_midi.htm. I guess USD 70 for a Pitch to MIDI Unit is ok ;-) Have someone bought stuff from these guys? The text says "Associated pre-amplifier circuit is needed". As I understand this I will be able to use a line level parallel output from my mic pre amp to feed the pitch-to-midi thing? The application I have in mind is to play the pitch of synced Repeater loops from saxophone and voice, sometimes when the loops are in recording mode and even sometimes when they are recording/looping the audio I am pitch-to-midi converting to pitch the recording loop..... ;-) I've already tried this with midi guitar, so I know it can make some musical sense, but I would like to also do it acoustically. Best wishes Per Boysen ------------- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com <-- 1st Swedish Looping Festival From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 14 22:12:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3F2A6O11434; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 22:10:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 22:10:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E9B6A09.BB87C65@cloud9.net> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 22:10:17 -0400 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: long-distance performance References: <200304130330.h3D3UtW32558@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiVirus: checked by Vexira MailArmor (version: 2.0.1.7; VAE: 6.19.0.3; VDF: 6.19.0.6; host: english-breakfast.cloud9.net) Resent-Message-ID: <5-_LHB.A.AyC.mn2m-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I'm asking this question here, even though it's wildly OT, because there's such good expertise here on performing. I figure that someone will probably have a useful tip for me! :) I met a fellow singer on a trip recently whom I really enjoyed playing with (we did a couple of impromptu gigs in the Galapagos!!). We decided that we'd like to be able to continue singing, even though we live over a thousand miles apart. My question is, are there good programs/services that would allow us to have "sessions" in real-time over the internet? I've considered telephone, but I shudder when I think of the quality of speakerphones on each end! Can we do better than that? Any suggestions welcome :) Thanks much, Elby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 14 23:17:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3F3GWr18766; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 23:16:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 23:16:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c302fd$c5a62f90$642bae40@kinesys1> Reply-To: "doug @ jump/cut" From: "doug @ jump/cut" To: References: <200304130330.h3D3UtW32558@hemlock.violacea.com> <3E9B6A09.BB87C65@cloud9.net> Subject: OT: Behringer B300 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 20:19:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am thinking about buying a pair of Behringer B300's ... they seems to be amuch cheaper alternative to smacking down a bunch of $$$ for Mackie SRM450s. Anybody using/like the B300s??? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 14 23:26:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3F3NYw19294; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 23:23:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 23:23:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030415032311.69116.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 20:23:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeffrey Collins Subject: Re: Akai going under??? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000901c3025f$e85f1540$bf08fc0c@amd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1769125707-1050376991=:68674" Resent-Message-ID: <4khCu.A.FtE.hs3m-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1769125707-1050376991=:68674 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The company didn't go under, they just lost their distributor. They just found a new one...Arbiter in Europe and aparently from what Steve says...they found one in Cali. Cool. Cause at my job there's been a real hurting on those of us who are wanting to sell them but can't because we can't get them in. FYI...I work at a Guitar Center in Columbus. They have been without a distributor for about a month and a half and boy did it really hit the electronic music community hard. I'm hoping they'll be up and running real soon. Jeffrey Collins Jesse Ray Lucas wrote:A buddy of mine is a keyboard rep for Yamaha and his supervisor told him that Akai's U.S. division went under last week -- like, closed down the offices and sold the furniture and everything. I haven't been able to find anything about this on the web. I'm curious if it's true. Anybody heard anything about this? -Jesse --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. --0-1769125707-1050376991=:68674 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
The company didn't go under, they just lost their distributor. They just found a new one...Arbiter in Europe and aparently from what Steve says...they found one in Cali. Cool. Cause at my job there's been a real hurting on those of us who are wanting to sell them but can't because we can't get them in. FYI...I work at a Guitar Center in Columbus. They have been without a distributor for about a month and a half and boy did it really hit the electronic music community hard. I'm hoping they'll be up and running real soon.
 
Jeffrey Collins


Jesse Ray Lucas <jlucas@neoprimitive.net> wrote:
A buddy of mine is a keyboard rep for Yamaha and his supervisor told him
that Akai's U.S. division went under last week -- like, closed down the
offices and sold the furniture and everything. I haven't been able to find
anything about this on the web. I'm curious if it's true. Anybody heard
anything about this?

-Jesse


Do you Yahoo!?
The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. --0-1769125707-1050376991=:68674-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 14 23:44:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3F3fYP21067; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 23:41:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 23:41:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 23:38:21 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance 4.19.03, Hype Park, MA Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, DrTVideo@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, electrons@cardhouse.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, collision-collusion@ai.mit.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I'll be doing live video mixology at the Artists-At-Large Gallery, on Saturday April 19, at 8PM. I'll be performing with the bands Open Hand and Dreamtime 9 Translucent. Open Hand consists of Mr Curt, Rich Lynch, Jan White and Bob McCloskey, on a variety of instruments, and are "an ambient spontaneous ensemble". They will be celerbrating the release of their debut CD. I'm not familiar with Dreamtime 9 Translucent, but with a name like that, you can imagine the possibilities. I don't have an admission price listed, but I'm sure it is either inexpensive or free, and food and beverages will be served. Artists-At-Large Gallery is at 37 Everett Street Cleary Square Hyde Park near the Hyde Park Commuter Rail station. The directions I have are from Forest Hills station, in JP Follow Hyde Park Ave. from Forest Hills Station out about 2 or 3 miles Everett St. is just after Duncn' Donuts in Hyde Park center. Call 617-276-3223 for further info and directions. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 15 04:02:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3F7w8r10068; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 03:58:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 03:58:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: long-distance performance Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:57:33 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <000301c30324$ac39c900$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <3E9B6A09.BB87C65@cloud9.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hi folks, I'm asking this question here, even though it's > wildly OT, because there's such good expertise here on > performing. I figure that > someone will probably have a useful tip for me! :) I met a fellow > singer on a trip recently whom I really enjoyed playing with > (we did a couple of impromptu gigs in the Galapagos!!). We > decided that we'd like to be able to continue singing, even > though we live over a thousand miles apart. My question is, > are there good programs/services that would allow us to have > "sessions" in real-time over the internet? I've considered > telephone, but I shudder when I think of the quality of > speakerphones on each end! Can we do better than that? Any > suggestions welcome :) > > Thanks much, > Elby Hi Elby, I'm afraid, so far, there is always a problem with hooking up two, or more, real time performers over a long distance (due to the trasfer protocls being based on "packages" instead of "streams". "Buffering" a stream won't help here). However there are alternatives if you are prepared to record one musician first and then having the others doing there part listening back to the recorded tracks. A very cool system for this type of collaboration was Rocketnetwork that sadly went out of business only recently (I was actively beta testing it on Logic and it really rocked! As it also did with Cubase. Too bad so many good things have to go just because someone does not make enough money in the bottom end). Now I hear that Digidesign is planning a more advanced Pro Tools support for musical collaboration in recording over the Internet. Network collaboration will also be part of Nuendo 2 from Steinberg. I've also been collaborating online by swapping 16/44,1 audio files by ICQ file transfer. When you get a file you put it on a track of an audio sequencing/recording software to add your recordings on other tracks. Then you mix everything down to a stereo file and send it back to your partner for feedback and maybe him/her to carry out additional recordings. Just remember to add info on tempo and, if working with shorter files, at what bar of the arrangement each file will start playing. Best wishes Per Boysen ------------- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com <-- 1st Swedish Looping Festival From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 15 05:20:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3F9J6u16877; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 05:19:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 05:19:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a901c3032f$633ca190$0100a8c0@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: Subject: Re: More MPX-G2 VS G-Force Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:06:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <_DqtgB.A.nEE.M58m-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com G force doesnt even extract tempo from midi clock and the tap tempo algorithm is very bad sounds good though better get the fireworks (clock to tempo but no looping) Claude > Has there been a MPX-G2 vs. G Force thread? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 15 09:27:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3FDNJR05593; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:23:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:23:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008601c30351$c7248700$aa635cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: The Soundscapes Concert Series with vidnaObmana Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:19:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0083_01C30330.0D2A5EE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0083_01C30330.0D2A5EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Soundscapes Concert Series proudly presents vidnaObmana in an all ages concert of space music at the City of Bethlehem's IceHouse on Sand Island 56 River Street West Bethlehem, Pennsylvania Saturday, April 19, 2003 Concert at 8:00 pm, doors open at 7:30 pm FREE Buffet Dinner by Chef Jeff Tickets: $17 in advance and $20 at the door. Soundscapes #4 is coproduced by WDS Productions and Wooden Shoe Music. For the fourth installment of the Soundscapes Concert Series, = vidnaObmana will perform a unique concert at the City of Bethlehem's = IceHouse on Sand Island. Located in historic Bethlehem on the north bank = of the Lehigh River, the IceHouse is a perfect venue for a concert of = spacemusic. This concert will be on Saturday, April 19, 2003, starting = at 8:00 pm. The doors will open at 7:30 pm and Chef Jeff will cater a = free buffet dinner. Tickets are $17 in advance and $20 at the door. = Advance tickets are be available at: Compact Disc Center Speedy's Record Shop 1365 Easton Ave. 1001 Union Blvd. Bethlehem, Pennsylvania Allentown, Pennsylvania 610-868-3070 610-432-8386 and on-line at: http://electro-music.com (electro-music has a minimal service charge of $0.95) NOTE: Tickets purchased at the door on the day of the show will be = discounted by $3 for those who show their WDIY or WMUH membersip cards = or their full time student ID. INFORMATION:=20 http://soundscapes.us=20 CONTACT:=20 Bill Fox=20 billfox@fast.net=20 610-746-9615=20 VIDNAOBMANA:=20 Ambient musician vidnaObmana is one of spacemusic's brightest stars. = Using synthesizers, audio processors, and a vast array of exotic = instruments, Belgian electronic musician vidnaObmana creates a complex, = layered musical journey through rhythms, timbres, loops, and sonic = atmospheres. The name vidnaObmana means "optical illusion" in = Serbo-Croation, a term he picked up while vacationing in Croatia during = his childhood. He chose this phrase as his musical persona to illustrate = how his music correlates sonically with the surreal soundscapes he = creates. vidnaObmana is a prolific composer whose diverse body of work = ranges from post-industrial through gently atmospheric, to tribal = ambient and more. His music slowly shifts through electronic audio = imagery, creating extremely personal works of atmospheric delight. Throughout his career, vidnaObmana has explored the abrasive side of = electronic composition, using freeform soundscapes, international music = traditions, and post-classical experimentations. His music has been = released widely by many independent labels worldwide, including: = Release/Relapse, Amplexus, Extreme, Hypnos, Mirage, Multimood, Projekt = and others. A significant portion of vidnaObmana's work has been = realized in collaboration with some of the world's most interesting = musicians such as Alio Die, Jeff Pearce, Steve Roach, Djen Ajakan Shean, = Asmus Tietchens, and Brannan Lane. FLIER: A concert flier is available for download at = http://soundscapes.us/flier4_vo.pdf You are encouraged to take an = active role in the health of the electronic music scene by printing, = displaying, and distributing this flier. Forwarding of this email = message helps, too! ROBERT RICH: Robert Rich will come to the Soundscapes Concert Series on Saturday, = July 12, 2003. Tickets will be $20 at the door and $17 in advance (on = sale starting April 20). Tickets for the July 12 Robert Rich concert = which are purchased at the April 19 Soundscapes are $15 only for = vidnaObmana ticket-holders. A concert flier for the Robert Rich show is = available for download at http://soundscapes.us/flier5_rr.pdf ------=_NextPart_000_0083_01C30330.0D2A5EE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The=20 Soundscapes Concert Series
proudly=20 presents
vidnaObmana
in=20 an all ages concert of space music
at the City of Bethlehem's = IceHouse on=20 Sand Island
56 River Street West
Bethlehem, = Pennsylvania
Saturday,=20 April 19, 2003
Concert at 8:00 pm, doors open at 7:30 pm
FREE = Buffet=20 Dinner by Chef Jeff
Tickets: $17 in advance and $20 at the=20 door.
Soundscapes #4 is coproduced by WDS Productions and
Wooden = Shoe=20 Music.
 
For the fourth installment of the = Soundscapes=20 Concert Series, vidnaObmana will perform a unique concert at the City of = Bethlehem's IceHouse on Sand Island. Located in historic Bethlehem on = the north=20 bank of the Lehigh River, the IceHouse is a perfect venue for a concert = of=20 spacemusic. This concert will be on Saturday, April 19, 2003, starting = at 8:00=20 pm. The doors will open at 7:30 pm and Chef Jeff will cater a free = buffet=20 dinner. Tickets are $17 in advance and $20 at the door.  = Advance tickets are be available at:
 
Compact Disc=20 Center          Speedy's = Record=20 Shop
1365 Easton Ave.         = 1001=20 Union Blvd.
Bethlehem,=20 Pennsylvania         Allentown,=20 Pennsylvania
610-868-3070       &nb= sp;=20 610-432-8386
and on-line at:
http://electro-music.com
(electro-music has a minimal service charge of = $0.95)
 
NOTE: Tickets purchased at the door = on the day=20 of the show will be discounted by $3 for those who show their WDIY or = WMUH=20 membersip cards or their full time student ID.
 

INFORMATION: =
 
 

CONTACT:
 
Bill Fox
billfox@fast.net
610-746-9615 =
 

VIDNAOBMANA:
 
Ambient musician vidnaObmana is one = of=20 spacemusic's brightest stars. Using synthesizers, audio processors, and = a vast=20 array of exotic instruments, Belgian electronic musician vidnaObmana = creates a=20 complex, layered musical journey through rhythms, timbres, loops, and = sonic=20 atmospheres. The name vidnaObmana means "optical illusion" in = Serbo-Croation, a=20 term he picked up while vacationing in Croatia during his childhood. He = chose=20 this phrase as his musical persona to illustrate how his music = correlates=20 sonically with the surreal soundscapes he creates. vidnaObmana is a = prolific=20 composer whose diverse body of work ranges from post-industrial through = gently=20 atmospheric, to tribal ambient and more. His music slowly shifts through = electronic audio imagery, creating extremely personal works of = atmospheric=20 delight.
 
Throughout his career, vidnaObmana = has explored=20 the abrasive side of electronic composition, using freeform soundscapes, = international music traditions, and post-classical experimentations. His = music=20 has been released widely by many independent labels worldwide, = including:=20 Release/Relapse, Amplexus, Extreme, Hypnos, Mirage, Multimood, Projekt = and=20 others. A significant portion of vidnaObmana's work has been realized in = collaboration with some of the world's most interesting musicians such = as Alio=20 Die, Jeff Pearce, Steve Roach, Djen Ajakan Shean, Asmus Tietchens, and = Brannan=20 Lane.
 
 
FLIER:
 
A concert flier is available for download at http://soundscapes.us/flier4= _vo.pdf  = You are=20 encouraged to take an active role in the health of the electronic music = scene by=20 printing, displaying, and distributing this flier.  Forwarding of = this=20 email message helps, too!
 
 
ROBERT RICH:
 
Robert Rich will come to the Soundscapes Concert = Series on=20 Saturday, July 12, 2003.  Tickets will be $20 at the door and $17 = in=20 advance (on sale starting April 20).  Tickets for the July 12 = Robert=20 Rich concert which are purchased at the April 19 Soundscapes are $15 = only for=20 vidnaObmana ticket-holders.  A concert flier for the Robert Rich = show is=20 available for download at http://soundscapes.us/flier5= _rr.pdf
------=_NextPart_000_0083_01C30330.0D2A5EE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 15 10:39:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3FEbuF13756; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 10:37:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 10:37:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.200.135.142] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] From: "Louis Rossi" To: davidtorn@yahoogroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Stick textures Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 10:37:12 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Apr 2003 14:37:13.0108 (UTC) FILETIME=[80E82D40:01C3035C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ciao Friends, Below please find a link to my new online demo. It’s a stick & percussion duo recorded live. I also put some of my older solo ambient loops at the end too (track 15) http://achang.com.nmsrv.com/lou/ Thanks Lou Rossi _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 15 11:51:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3FFlU021484; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:47:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:47:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:46:42 -0400 Subject: Re: Stick textures From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h3FFkmB21419 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com nice work lou... diggin' it. t. On 4/15/03 10:37 AM, "Louis Rossi" wrote: > Ciao Friends, > > Below please find a link to my new online demo. It’s a stick & percussion > duo recorded live. I also put some of my older solo ambient loops at the end > too (track 15) > > http://achang.com.nmsrv.com/lou/ > > Thanks > Lou Rossi > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 15 12:21:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3FGL1f26183; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 12:21:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 12:21:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030415162003.76025.qmail@web40504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:20:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Stick textures To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Lou, Nice work man! which stick model are you using and what kind of effects are you using to proccesss your signal? great arabic violin sound! --- todd reynolds wrote: > nice work lou... diggin' it. > > t. > > On 4/15/03 10:37 AM, "Louis Rossi" > wrote: > > > Ciao Friends, > > > > Below please find a link to my new online demo. > It’s a stick & percussion > > duo recorded live. I also put some of my older > solo ambient loops at the end > > too (track 15) > > > > http://achang.com.nmsrv.com/lou/ > > > > Thanks > > Lou Rossi > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 > months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 15 15:20:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3FJGeV13463; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 15:16:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 15:16:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 15:15:42 -0400 Subject: SwitchQuant parameter From: Jeffrey Lomas To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been finding Jesus in the EDP manual over the past couple of days. One setting that I am pleased with but unable to diagnose is the following: SwitchQuant=Cyc In the PDF version of the manual I'm reading (http://www.randomsalt.com/find/howto/Echoplex_Manual.pdf ) there is no reference that I am able to find to this setting. Only "On", "Off", or "Confirm". Is it reasonable for me to think that cyc=on? Jeff http://www.randomsalt.com/music/edp.conf From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 15 19:40:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3FNaBN09188; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:36:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:36:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030415233517.68971.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 16:35:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Richards Subject: Recording tools To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200304111326.h3BDQOm00545@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, folks, my Fostex VF80 arrived yesterday. I bought it for $525 including shipping from someone on E-bay, and it seems to work fine. Now, I need to ask if anyone has any suggestions about microphones and headphones. I'm looking at getting a Shure SM-57, as it looks like they're available relatively cheaply on E-bay (one guy is selling SM-57's for about 90 a pop, and he throws in a 20 feet mic cable to boot). What about headphones? I imagine those are gonna be kinda pricey. Any thoughts here, folks? ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 15 19:51:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3FNlhH09971; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:47:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:47:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030415175232.00980210@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:52:32 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: SwitchQuant parameter In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <-jIFHD.A.QbC.DoJn-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jeff, In Loop IV, there are six settings for SwitchQuant. Off, Confirm, cyc, ccy, loop, and clp. -Sorry about my incorrect abbreviations in some cases. -Hopefully someone here will correct these if need be. Cyc, or cycle, switches between loops at cycle boundries. If the cycle happens to be the entire loop, then it will switch at the loop point. If the cycle is half of a loop, then that will be the point where the switch takes place. Does this make sense? Which software are you using? I'm assuming these options are different between Loop III and Loop Iv, so perhaps someone else may be able to better assist you. -Hope this helps... Smiles, Cara At 03:15 PM 4/15/03 -0400, you wrote: >I've been finding Jesus in the EDP manual over the past couple of days. > >One setting that I am pleased with but unable to diagnose is the following: > >SwitchQuant=Cyc > >In the PDF version of the manual I'm reading >(http://www.randomsalt.com/find/howto/Echoplex_Manual.pdf ) there is no >reference that I am able to find to this setting. Only "On", "Off", or >"Confirm". > >Is it reasonable for me to think that cyc=on? > > > >Jeff >http://www.randomsalt.com/music/edp.conf > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 15 19:55:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3FNqHI10711; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:52:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:52:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030415235132.42510.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 16:51:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Recording tools To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030415233517.68971.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Chris Richards wrote: >looking at > getting a Shure SM-57, as it looks like they're > available relatively cheaply on E-bay (one guy is > selling SM-57's for about 90 a pop, and he throws > in a 20 feet mic cable to boot) 57s are great. Keep an eye on Musician's Fiend; they occasionally sell 57s for $79 with cord (although a friend of mine didn't get the cord and went through a frustrating series of e-mails and telephone calls about it.) MF also sells a couple of really (suspiciously?) low-priced shock mounted condenser mics, but I haven't tried them... Like this one, for example: -t- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 15 20:20:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3G0Ism13980; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 20:18:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 20:18:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030416001813.68132.qmail@web21511.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:18:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: Recording tools To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030415235132.42510.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Those MXL mics are pretty cool if you don't mind a bit of coloration on the sound. With digital I find myself searching for some color when I record. I have 2 of those. You can get 57's plus a 20' cord for about $82 off of musicians friends and american musical supply. If you are planning on getting good mics like Sure I would just get the mics from a reputable source that way you have some warranty and don't spend too much. Unless the guy on ebay is a music store selling through there. By the way - a Fostex VF80 goes for $499 at American Musical with free shipping on anything over $249. And they have that wonderful easy pay plan I am notorious for taking advantage of :) http://www.americanmusical.com/item.asp?UID=2003041519092381&menu=&keyword=&item=FOS+VF80 --- Tim Nelson wrote: > > --- Chris Richards wrote: > >looking at > > getting a Shure SM-57, as it looks like they're > > available relatively cheaply on E-bay (one guy is > > selling SM-57's for about 90 a pop, and he throws > > in a 20 feet mic cable to boot) > > 57s are great. Keep an eye on Musician's Fiend; they > occasionally sell 57s for $79 with cord (although a > friend of mine didn't get the cord and went through > a > frustrating series of e-mails and telephone calls > about it.) > > MF also sells a couple of really (suspiciously?) > low-priced shock mounted condenser mics, but I > haven't > tried them... > Like this one, for example: > > > -t- > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > http://search.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 15 23:29:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3G3PnR03149; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 23:25:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 23:25:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 23:21:31 -0400 Subject: Sat 4/19 -- NODE at Zeitgeist -- From: Dan Soltzberg To: Friends of experimental music Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3133293691_285100_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3133293691_285100_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable NODE =20 Improvised music ensemble at Zeitgeist Gallery. Anything could happen. Saturday April 19th Zeitgeist 1353 Cambridge St. Inman Square Cambridge 617-876-6060 10pm =20 (Monika Heidemann at 8pm) NODE Will Buchanan - drums (Fishlung Trio, BopAnts) Ken Field - alto sax, flute (Birdsongs of the Mesozoic, Revolutionary Snake Ensemble) Steve MacLean -guitar/kora, electronics (C Cutler, R Rudd, =20 Dr. Nerve) Dan Soltzberg - bass, looping (ghost 7, Oranje) Jed Speare - laptop, concr=E9te sounds (Mobius Artists Group) Jonathan Wobesky - trumpet. percussion (Reverend Glasseye) --MS_Mac_OE_3133293691_285100_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Sat 4/19 -- NODE at Zeitgeist --




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Improvised music ensemble at Zeitgeist Gallery.  Anything could happen= .

Saturday April 19th

Zeitgeist  1353 Cambridge St.  Inman Square Cambridge   = ;  617-876-6060

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            &n= bsp;            =             &nbs= p;            &n= bsp;            =             Dr. = Nerve)
Dan Soltzberg          - bass,= looping (ghost 7, Oranje)
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Jonathan Wobesky   - trumpet. percussion (Reverend Glasseye)=20 --MS_Mac_OE_3133293691_285100_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 16 02:10:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3G64tP18194; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 02:04:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 02:04:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E9CF03D.487785B1@ubuibi.org> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 22:55:09 -0700 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ninah Subject: no other radio in a little while Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6kBGKB.A.obE.oJPn-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com damn forgot to send this out earlier.. listen to ub on no other radio kpfa.org at 11:59 pm (soon) special guests,?... maybe noise ?....lots From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 16 02:31:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3G6VHp20090; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 02:31:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 02:31:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 23:30:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Portland OR Gig Spam Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: -4.7 () IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.29 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My band Eleven Eyes is playing in Portland tomorrow night, at the Goodfoot Lounge, 2845 SE Stark, in case anyones interested. Here's the info: April 16th 11Eyes (from Eugene) DJ Tatertodd Eugene trumpeter Tim McLaughlin brings his ensemble up from Eugene for their first Portland appearance. A six piece unit from Eugene, Oregon, Eleven Eyes combines horns, guitar, bass, drums, and turntables to create a sound fusing a multitude of genres and disciplines. Improvisational jazz, funk, hip-hop, afro-cuban, dub, and drum&bass intermingle to create the evolving Eleven Eyes sound. DJ Tatertodd will sustain the beats this evening with his mix of trip-hop, hip-hop, soul, & funk. Eleven Eyes: Tim Mclaughlin: trumpet, EFX Matt Calkins; saxes Mike Pardew: guitar Dave Trenkel: bass, keys Steve Weems: drums JD Monroe: turntables From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 16 04:27:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3G8Qku28715; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 04:26:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 04:26:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <198.18d161b5.2bce6da2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 04:26:10 EDT Subject: Re: SwitchQuant parameter To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > In the PDF version of the manual I'm reading > (http://www.randomsalt.com/find/howto/Echoplex_Manual.pdf ) there is no > reference that I am able to find to this setting. Only "On", "Off", or > "Confirm". > > Is it reasonable for me to think that cyc=on? > Yes, that's right. Switches at the end of the cycle, so the same as being Quantised. I'd recommend starting with SwitchQuant=Cnf, and working with all the ways of going to another loop. If you then decide need to access the next loop with just one press, change SwitchQuant to Off or cyc, then check out the AutoRecord and LoopCopy params. (it's worth mentioning that you're using Loop3 at this point, or at least, I assume so because that's the loop3 manual you're reading ) SamplerStyle is also relevant here. When you set SamplerStyle=Att you'll find that when you go to the next loop it always starts at the beginning of the loop. Otherwise you always go back to a loop at thepoint you left it. That's not documented in the manual. (...and with Loop4 the same is available with SamplerStyle=StA ) Loop4 software has 3 more possible Switchquant values andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 16 07:49:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3GBjIb10554; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 07:45:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 07:45:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 07:44:46 -0400 Subject: Re: SwitchQuant parameter From: Jeffrey Lomas To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20030415175232.00980210@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The helps. Thanks, Cara. jeff On 4/15/03 19:52, "Goddess" wrote: > Jeff, In Loop IV, there are six settings for SwitchQuant. > > Off, Confirm, cyc, ccy, loop, and clp. -Sorry about my incorrect > abbreviations in some cases. -Hopefully someone here will correct these > if need be. > Cyc, or cycle, switches between loops at cycle boundries. If the cycle > happens to be the entire loop, then it will switch at the loop point. If > the cycle is half of a loop, then that will be the point where the switch > takes place. Does this make sense? > Which software are you using? I'm assuming these options are different > between Loop III and Loop Iv, so perhaps someone else may be able to better > assist you. -Hope this helps... > > Smiles, > > Cara > > At 03:15 PM 4/15/03 -0400, you wrote: >> I've been finding Jesus in the EDP manual over the past couple of days. >> >> One setting that I am pleased with but unable to diagnose is the following: >> >> SwitchQuant=Cyc >> >> In the PDF version of the manual I'm reading >> (http://www.randomsalt.com/find/howto/Echoplex_Manual.pdf ) there is no >> reference that I am able to find to this setting. Only "On", "Off", or >> "Confirm". >> >> Is it reasonable for me to think that cyc=on? >> >> >> >> Jeff >> http://www.randomsalt.com/music/edp.conf >> >> > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 16 09:53:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3GDnhB23626; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:49:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:49:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:48:55 -0400 From: Paulzric@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Recording tools MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4FE55F0B.1D6F36D0.007D6382@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can buy new, un-spit on, Shure SM-57s for a lot less than $90.00 at Guitar Center. You may not be one who likes big box monopolies, but whatever... it's a lot cheaper. While you are there, pick up some Oktava mic's fer real cheap. Decent sound. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 16 10:29:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3GENc227478; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:23:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:23:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b101c30423$ae842c50$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20030415175232.00980210@pop.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: SwitchQuant parameter Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:22:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I've been finding Jesus in the EDP manual over the past couple of days. > >One setting that I am pleased with but unable to diagnose is the following: > >SwitchQuant=Cyc Yes, Jeff. In the old testament, SwitchQuant has four settings. The on-line apocrypha (http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ9.html#Anchor-For-44867) describes the four settings in detail. However, I highly recommend becoming a new testament person with Loop IV. Not only are there more options, but the software is more forgiving with such features as RecordMode=Safe. And upgrading to Loop IV helps supports the profits of looping. :) Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 16 11:52:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3GFmvV03583; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 11:48:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 11:48:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030416103254.02c349a0@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:46:15 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: Recording tools In-Reply-To: <20030416001813.68132.qmail@web21511.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030415235132.42510.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:18 PM 4/15/2003 -0700, Squid Loop wrote: >Those MXL mics are pretty cool if you don't mind a bit >of coloration on the sound. With digital I find myself >searching for some color when I record. I have 2 of >those. I'm curious: since you've got a couple of those MXL's, is the sound quality and tone consistent from mic to mic? They sound like a pretty good deal, but I don't want to have to go out and buy four of them in succession just to find a single one that sounds decent. And I don't mind a bit of 'coloration' at all (heck, that's precisely why you buy some mics), but what kind of sound sources do you find it works best upon? -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 16 11:54:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3GFpPU03775; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 11:51:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 11:51:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E9D7BD1.7030200@Verizon.net> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 11:50:41 -0400 From: Dan Ash User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: Recording tools References: <200304152351.h3FNp3o10410@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Depends what you want to record. There are specific mics for specific purposes. The SM-57 is a good mic for live performance as it is durable. Dynamic mics like the SM-57 are often used on drums in the studio. They are supposedly the mic of choice by some singers in the studio, too, but I think there are better mics for acoustic instruments and vocals. Generally speaking, studio-quality mics don't travel well, so you might keep this in mind. My suggestion is to take a little time and search for usenet discussions or for white papers on microphone types - and I don't mean searching the Musicians Friend on-line catalog... A couple of inexpensive-but-good condensor mics that you might research on usenet groups such as Product.SONAR on the news.cakewalk.com server: Studio Projects C-1 (excellent vocal mic) at about $225 Oktava MC012 (MK012) at Guitar Center for about $99, but you must audition due to QC problems (excellent on acoustic instruments) Rode NT5 (about $250/pair new on ebay) Sold as a matched set and are said to be nice on drums or on acoustic instruments Looping content - Say has anybody here been to the Saturday loopfest at Chama (NYC) lately? Haven't seen much discussion here of same... Dan Ash Subject: Recording tools From: Chris Richards Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 16:35:17 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com OK, folks, my Fostex VF80 arrived yesterday. I bought it for $525 including shipping from someone on E-bay, and it seems to work fine. Now, I need to ask if anyone has any suggestions about microphones and headphones. I'm looking at getting a Shure SM-57, as it looks like they're available relatively cheaply on E-bay (one guy is selling SM-57's for about 90 a pop, and he throws in a 20 feet mic cable to boot). What about headphones? I imagine those are gonna be kinda pricey. Any thoughts here, folks? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 16 13:27:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3GHL7J14288; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:21:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:21:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030416172031.401.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:20:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: MXL Mic was Recording tools To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030416103254.02c349a0@icicle.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'm curious: since you've got a couple of those > MXL's, is the sound quality > and tone consistent from mic to mic? They sound > like a pretty good deal, > but I don't want to have to go out and buy four of > them in succession just > to find a single one that sounds decent. > > And I don't mind a bit of 'coloration' at all (heck, > that's precisely why > you buy some mics), but what kind of sound sources > do you find it works > best upon? > I would be the wrong person to ask about this since I am known to use good to bad mics for whatever desired effect I am looking for. Consistency wise the two I have don't let me down. If you mean consistently sounding good / decent - yeup they keep to that between the two models I have. Are they the right ones for you? I couldn't tell you. The 990 sounds good for my singer since his voice is rather weak and has no body. I use the V63M to mic up my Blues Deville 4 x 10 sometimes incorporating the 990 as an ambient mic. I have also used the 990 for my 12 string and dug the tone I got out of it. For the price I think they are one of the most decent mics you can get. Why not pick one up and if you don't like it return it. They have many models to choose from that are more expensive than the ones that MF carries if the cheap price scares you :) FYI: Marshal Electronics: http://www.mxlmics.com/ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 16 14:38:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3GIZ0u22024; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 14:35:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 14:35:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Message-Id: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 19:37:00 +0100 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" From: Ian Popperwell Subject: O T Behringer DSP110 "Shark" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h3GIYKB21940 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Just thought I'd post about this tiny little unit from Behringer as a potentially useful tool for dealing with feedback on stage and particularly in looping acoustic instruments live. The DSP110 "Shark" is primarilly a feedback distroyer although it does have a gate, compressor, delay (for correcting speaker stack time delays), a low cut filter and mic pre. The feedback distroyer has 12 very tight filters that automatically lock onto the frequencies at which feedback is occuring and cut them by a predetermined number of dbs. I've just bought it and have been learning/experimenting with it and thought it worth sharing here. I bought mine for £55 in Digital Village (UK) which is incredibly cheap given that the Sabine units cost hundreds of pounds. Oh and the manual is very unhelpful (or is it just me?!). Regards. Ian. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 16 18:26:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3GMOsw18141; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:24:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:24:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 63.89.2.100 Message-ID: <001e01c30466$a8eceaa0$8628a8c0@CAMPBEBOWIN2K> From: "astroblue" To: References: Subject: Re: O T Behringer DSP110 "Shark" Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 15:22:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> DSP110 Feedback destroyer I've had my eye on that, I'd like to hear how well it works for you. I recently finally aquired my first acoustic guitar amp (the wonderful and cheap Behringer acx-1000) and immediately realized feedback was a new issue (doh!) The DSP110 is really cheap in the US ($115 new on Ebay + ship) If I wasn't so broke right now I'd just buy it, but I'm waiting till I have an actual need for it. (what a weird concept!) >>Oh and the manual is very unhelpful Haven't seen the manual for this item, but based on the collective moaning (by me too) about the FCB1010 midi pedal, Behringer seems to have a knack for 'challenging' manuals. looking forward to a report after you've put this thing to work! Bob Campbell btw - Speaking of Behringer gear, I gotta put in a plug for an ebay seller who did really right by me last summer. I bought the Behinger HA-4600 headphone amp (great - 12 outs!) for $100 from this guy, it arrived damaged and he overnight shipped me a replacement. He lost money on me, but saved my EDP enhanced 'audio installation' project that depended on this last minute item (recipe: 4 mics / mixer /12 cheap headphones / headphone amp / EDP / pitchshifter / reverb / lsd (optional) ). He's got a lot of Behringer gear, give him a look: http://www.stores.ebay.com/smproductionsinc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Popperwell" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 11:37 AM Subject: O T Behringer DSP110 "Shark" > Hi, > > Just thought I'd post about this tiny little unit from Behringer as a > potentially useful tool for dealing with feedback on stage and particularly in > looping acoustic instruments live. > > The DSP110 "Shark" is primarilly a feedback distroyer although it does have a > gate, compressor, delay (for correcting speaker stack time delays), a low cut > filter and mic pre. The feedback distroyer has 12 very tight filters that > automatically lock onto the frequencies at which feedback is occuring and cut > them by a predetermined number of dbs. I've just bought it and have been > learning/experimenting with it and thought it worth sharing here. I bought > mine > for £55 in Digital Village (UK) which is incredibly cheap given that the > Sabine > units cost hundreds of pounds. Oh and the manual is very unhelpful (or is it > just me?!). > > Regards. > Ian. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 16 18:31:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3GMUTY18562; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:30:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:30:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 63.89.2.100 Message-ID: <002d01c30467$79c852e0$8628a8c0@CAMPBEBOWIN2K> From: "astroblue" To: References: <001e01c30466$a8eceaa0$8628a8c0@CAMPBEBOWIN2K> Subject: Re: O T Behringer DSP110 "Shark" Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 15:28:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ah I just realized you were talking about the mini 'Shark' not the rack mount DSP 1124. oops. still, be good to hear about how well their technology works. Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 16 18:41:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3GMevB20718; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:40:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:40:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 23:43:41 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Re: O T Behringer DSP110 "Shark" In-Reply-To: <002d01c30467$79c852e0$8628a8c0@CAMPBEBOWIN2K> References: <001e01c30466$a8eceaa0$8628a8c0@CAMPBEBOWIN2K> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: <036322440221043PCOW057M@blueyonder.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h3GMeQB20666 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, I'll say more after I've used at a gig. The Shark and FCB1010 have got terrible manuals but the Composer, MX802A and Patch bay have very well written ones - inconsistant I guess!! Ian. At 23:28 16/04/03 , you wrote: >ah I just realized you were talking about the mini 'Shark' not the rack >mount DSP 1124. > >oops.  still, be good to hear about how well their technology works. > >Bob > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 16 18:42:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3GMfkT20878; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:41:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:41:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: O T Behringer DSP110 "Shark" Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:41:25 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01c30469$508cd570$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <001e01c30466$a8eceaa0$8628a8c0@CAMPBEBOWIN2K> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The manuals to say the least s__k! and I have three Behringer manual, but there stuff does work even if you have to sign up for yet another Yahoo group for a week or two until you figure it out. ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 16 18:51:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3GMoLR21658; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:50:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:50:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030416164048.07d52710@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:49:40 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: MXL Mic was Recording tools In-Reply-To: <20030416172031.401.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030416103254.02c349a0@icicle.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:20 AM 4/16/2003 -0700, Squid Loop wrote: > > I'm curious: since you've got a couple of those MXL's, is the sound > quality > > and tone consistent from mic to mic? They sound like a pretty good deal, > > but I don't want to have to go out and buy four of them in succession just > > to find a single one that sounds decent. > > > > And I don't mind a bit of 'coloration' at all (heck, that's precisely why > > you buy some mics), but what kind of sound sources do you find it works > > best upon? > >I would be the wrong person to ask about this since I >am known to use good to bad mics for whatever desired >effect I am looking for. Heh! Actually you'd be a pretty good person to ask, since I often do the exact same thing myself <*evil grin*>. If you've a decent idea on which source material it gives good results, though, you've probably got a pretty good start on how best to use it for whatever sound-mangling results you're trying to get. ;) >Consistency wise the two I have don't let me down. If >you mean consistently sounding good / decent - yeup >they keep to that between the two models I have. Kewl. I was just afraid there might be large differences in frequency response from individual mic to individual mic. The reason I ask is that, back in college, the instructor for my Studio Recording class stumbled onto the fact that the electret condenser element sold at Rat Shack was from the exact same source as that of a fairly expensive AKG mic -- the only difference was the quality control from mic element to mic element. He then showed us how it was possible to build a $450 microphone very simply from a drinking straw and $8 worth of electronic parts. He made quite a few of these (filled the bloody studio actually), and the only problem was that about every three or four mics you'd encounter an element with a whacked out response. At that point you could either solder on a new mic element, or mark that microphone for different uses (they'd occasionally have very "interesting" response curves). There's quite a difference between spending $0.75 for a new mic element and $75 for a whole new mic, however. (Later, Rat Shack wised up and started putting out their own condenser mics using that same element -- and with even worse QC -- for about $10 a mic. This time, you'd get only about one really good microphone out of every two or three but, again, a $450 mic for $30 is still a steal with no soldering involved.) So, I wanted to make certain that the two MXL's of yours didn't sound wildly different from each other, especially since MF is mail-order and there's no chance to actually audition the mic you're taking home. It sounds as if they're fairly consistent between themselves, so I'll quite probably just go ahead and take the plunge. Thanks! -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 16 20:13:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3H0BiU31145; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 20:11:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 20:11:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:11:36 -0700 Subject: Re: Recording tools Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: sheila & joe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030415233517.68971.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <27827FE9-7069-11D7-83AA-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, April 15, 2003, at 04:35 PM, Chris Richards wrote: > . What about > headphones? I imagine those are gonna be kinda > pricey. Any thoughts here, folks? > > Hi Chris I have not personally tried these, but I've heard that the Grado headphones are a good value. I found this link.... hope it helps. http://www.goodcans.com/ good luck, joe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 17 00:38:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3H4bLe25657; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 00:37:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 00:37:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030416212651.014d8480@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 21:36:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: re: Recording tools In-Reply-To: <3E9D7BD1.7030200@Verizon.net> References: <200304152351.h3FNp3o10410@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Audition it anyway, whatever you want to try. You wouldn't buy a pair of shoes without trying them on or a guitar without playing it first. Try the mic through a nice preamp. Exercise your rights as a customer to try out as much gear as you want. -Hans >Oktava MC012 (MK012) at Guitar Center for about $99, but you must audition >due to QC problems (excellent on acoustic instruments) >Rode NT5 (about $250/pair new on ebay) Sold as a matched set and are said >to be nice on drums or on acoustic instruments From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 17 01:29:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3H5PjZ31328; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 01:25:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 01:25:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030417052513.71233.qmail@web12303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 22:25:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: recording tools To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200304162251.h3GMp3M21753@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <>> I think the guy on E-bay IS a music store, because he's not just selling one, it seems like he/she has several. It's kinda like how AltoMusic sells stuff on E-bay. <> Yeah, if you get it without the CD-burner, the CD-burner costs and extra 200 samoleans. <> You must have good credit for them to let you use the payment plan, as they run credit checks. That's the reason why I bought a VF80 instead of a VF160. :-P BTW, someone said that they thought the SM-57 isn't particularly good for recording acoustic instruments. Since one of the main reasons I'm looking for a mic is to record the used Takemine 12 string I bought a few weeks ago, what would you suggest for that purpose? I really don't have a lot of money to buy a bunch of specialized purpose mics. Right now, one that does several things well enough is what I'm shooting for. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 17 02:14:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3H6Cwu04899; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 02:12:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 02:12:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030416230148.014d54e0@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 23:11:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: recording tools In-Reply-To: <20030417052513.71233.qmail@web12303.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200304162251.h3GMp3M21753@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 57s are probably used most commonly for close-miking snare heads and guitar cabinets, especially in live applications. You'll probably want to try a condenser for getting a good acoustic guitar sound. I know the Stapes omni is popular with the TapeOp crowd (read: good/cheap), otherwise the Rode or Oktava could be good choices. Like I said, take your guitar in with you and try out whatever is in your price range. And check out tapeop.com for other ideas (including used mics for sale). -Hans >BTW, someone said that they thought the SM-57 >isn't particularly good for recording acoustic >instruments. Since one of the main reasons I'm >looking for a mic is to record the used Takemine >12 string I bought a few weeks ago, what would >you suggest for that purpose? I really don't have >a lot of money to buy a bunch of specialized >purpose mics. Right now, one that does several >things well enough is what I'm shooting for. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 17 08:50:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3HCnSv06690; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 08:49:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 08:49:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 08:48:54 -0400 From: Paulzric@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MXL Mic was Recording tools MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <179F172D.4ED2B613.007D6382@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I too am very curious about these puppies. The tube models seem to be favorably reviewed, but words to sell are one thing and words to inform honestly are another. So there. Anyway, hows about them tubey mics? They gud? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 17 08:54:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3HCroP07104; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 08:53:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 08:53:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 08:53:26 -0400 From: Paulzric@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: recording tools MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <05798115.21D83DDB.007D6382@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 4/17/2003 12:25:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, kohntarkosz@yahoo.com writes: > I'm > looking for a mic is to record the used Takemine > 12 string I bought a few weeks ago, what would > you suggest for that purpose? A Neumann TLM 103. They're down in price. You'll be able to record everything from thunderstorms to crickets mating in the corner of your back 20. You could spend your money worse. I also like CAD mics. They are purdy to look at when yer a singin' and strummin'. If you buy the big coffee can sized model, you can set it to multiple patterns. I've not played into one of those, but I'd like to. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 17 10:26:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3HEPiM18982; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 10:25:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 10:25:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.152.156.132] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, davidtorn@yahoogroups.com Subject: NYC Looping Gig Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 10:25:13 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Apr 2003 14:25:14.0062 (UTC) FILETIME=[2925F6E0:01C304ED] Resent-Message-ID: <0IMwLB.A.snE.Qlrn-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ciao Friends, I will be doing a début of my new duo this Saturday. Project Kaos Stick & Percussion Duo Saturday April 19th @ 10 PM $5 suggested donation CHAMA: The Fire Connecting 332 East 4th Street East Village, NYC Regards Lou Rossi Ps. Listen to sound samples here: http://achang.com.nmsrv.com/lou/ _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 17 10:55:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3HEsc422628; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 10:54:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 10:54:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 10:41:50 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: NYC Looping Gig To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, davidtorn@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <000e01c304ef$7b789220$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis Rossi" > Ciao Friends, > I will be doing a début of my new duo this Saturday. > > Project Kaos > Stick & Percussion Duo Who's playing percussion? * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 17 16:52:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3HKoxp04149; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 16:50:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 16:50:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 13:50:17 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Subject: SF Loop show: BUILD From: mark To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <320B0C03-7116-11D7-9AF0-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h3HKoNB04078 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey gang, I'm going to be doing some solo looping this Sunday. I'm going very minimal, just myself one processor an amp and a Repeater. Should be a good crowd to do interesting stuff. See below for details. Hell, there's going to be a children playing accordians, how great is that? > > Mark-  the show at BUILD on sunday the 20th will be from 4-8pm >   > the only other musical act i know of, is slated at 5pm and consists of > children age 4-5 playing accordians, with drummer (age 26, though > dressed as a baby) keeping the beat. >   > BUILD is at 483 Guerrero, cross street is actually 17th see ya there, Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 17 18:18:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3HMEJh17014; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 18:14:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 18:14:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:11:55 -0700 Subject: Loopy weekend in SF: performance on sat From: Zoe Keating To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <320B0C03-7116-11D7-9AF0-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jumping on the bandwagon of this Looping Performance thread...here are some loop-related things I'm a part of this weekend. Hope it's okay to post this? I won't make a regular habit of it, promise.... I'm playing an impromptu solo gig at the Brainwash cafe on Folsom Street of all places. Saturday night at 8:30 pm. Just cello, repeater and washing machines. Also, recently I started playing with an instrumental group called Charles Atlas (http://www.charles-atlas.com). The group consists of 2 guitars (looped of course!), piano and myself on cello (also looped!). The We're playing on Friday, April 18th, at a warehouse space called 964 Natoma. It's the perfect place to hear this kind of music: beanbags, futons, couches, pillows everywhere, chai to drink. Thanks very much loopers. best, zoe keating http://www.zoekeating.com ---------------------------------------------------- Here is the info: Friday April 18th 1. charles atlas w/ zoe keating on cello 2. mark dwinell (think terry riley, nick drake and john fahey) 3. park avenue music (beats and bleeps and rhoads...bjork meets boards of canada) music starts at 9pm $5 suggested donation, but no one ever turned away for lack of funds. 964 Natoma Street (natoma is an alley between Mission and Howard. and 964 is between 10th and 11th) San Francisco, CA 94103 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 17 18:43:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3HMdlJ20263; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 18:39:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 18:39:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 18:39:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200304171839.AA224723138@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , Subject: Re: recording tools X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know that we're getting way off topic here, but I wanted to know if anyone had tried the Rode NT4 for doing live (loud) rock band recording... My band is going on tour, and I was thinking that it would be a simple way of documenting our shows. Reviews I've seen for it have mentioned that it is going for quieter stuff, but I want to know how it sounds in the back of the room at a rock club... Kevin -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- New From Unit Circle: Intonarumori - "Material" http://www.unitcircle.com/rekkids/releases/tUC075/ -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 17 19:08:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3HN6ZV24824; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:06:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:06:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E9F3205.26FEBDD6@ubuibi.org> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 16:00:21 -0700 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopy eek end in SF: performance on at References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey, post away, show postings of good loopy stuff good for our lil' community. enjoyed several of your mp3s quite a bit, hmmmmm big bowed strings, so warm. noticed you play with quite a few people, do you do recording sessions as well ? saturday busy loopy day in s.f., isn't marklar doing something in the afternoon ??? -das http://www.ubuibi.org/ Zoe Keating wrote: > Jumping on the bandwagon of this Looping Performance thread...here are some > loop-related things I'm a part of this weekend. > > Hope it's okay to post this? I won't make a regular habit of it, promise.... > > I'm playing an impromptu solo gig at the Brainwash cafe on Folsom Street of > all places. Saturday night at 8:30 pm. Just cello, repeater and washing > machines. > > Also, recently I started playing with an instrumental group called Charles > Atlas (http://www.charles-atlas.com). The group consists of 2 guitars > (looped of course!), piano and myself on cello (also looped!). The We're > playing on Friday, April 18th, at a warehouse space called 964 Natoma. It's > the perfect place to hear this kind of music: beanbags, futons, couches, > pillows everywhere, chai to drink. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 17 19:18:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3HNH2j25790; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:17:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:17:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: Recording tools From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4FE55F0B.1D6F36D0.007D6382@aol.com> References: <4FE55F0B.1D6F36D0.007D6382@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 17 Apr 2003 18:20:32 -0400 Message-Id: <1050618033.2653.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 2003-04-16 at 09:48, Paulzric@aol.com wrote: > You can buy new, un-spit on, Shure SM-57s for a lot less than $90.00 at Guitar Center. You may not be one who likes big box monopolies, but whatever... it's a lot cheaper. While you are there, pick up some Oktava mic's fer real cheap. Decent sound. > I got a pair of Oktava ML319 condensers at Guitar Center for $150 (including tax) recently. The highly reputable small-diaphragm Oktava was $90 each, plus another $20 for the shockmount. Dunno if they sound that much better than the MXR, but they're cooler. :} And i've been extremely pleased with mine. -- -dave "Who provides the profits - these nice little profits of 20, 100, 300, 1,500 and 1,800 per cent? We all pay them - in taxation... But the soldier pays the biggest part of the bill." --Major General Smedley Butler, "War Is a Racket" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 17 20:01:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3HNwXZ29304; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:58:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:58:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 16:56:11 -0700 Subject: Re: Loopy eek end in SF: performance on at From: Zoe Keating To: das CC: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3E9F3205.26FEBDD6@ubuibi.org> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes ! Discount rates for loopers. > From: das > Organization: www.ubuibi.org > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 16:00:21 -0700 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Loopy eek end in SF: performance on at > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:04:46 -0400 > > hey, post away, show postings of good loopy stuff good for our lil' community. > enjoyed several of your mp3s quite a bit, hmmmmm big bowed strings, so warm. > noticed you play with quite a few people, do you do recording sessions as well > ? > > saturday busy loopy day in s.f., isn't marklar doing something in the > afternoon > ??? > > -das > http://www.ubuibi.org/ > > > > Zoe Keating wrote: > >> Jumping on the bandwagon of this Looping Performance thread...here are some >> loop-related things I'm a part of this weekend. >> >> Hope it's okay to post this? I won't make a regular habit of it, promise.... >> >> I'm playing an impromptu solo gig at the Brainwash cafe on Folsom Street of >> all places. Saturday night at 8:30 pm. Just cello, repeater and washing >> machines. >> >> Also, recently I started playing with an instrumental group called Charles >> Atlas (http://www.charles-atlas.com). The group consists of 2 guitars >> (looped of course!), piano and myself on cello (also looped!). The We're >> playing on Friday, April 18th, at a warehouse space called 964 Natoma. It's >> the perfect place to hear this kind of music: beanbags, futons, couches, >> pillows everywhere, chai to drink. >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 17 20:07:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3I04cq31296; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 20:04:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 20:04:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 17:04:13 -0700 Subject: Re: Loopy eek end in SF: performance on at Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <49CFE1A4-7131-11D7-9AF0-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No my gig is on Sunday (If anyone wants to sit in, you're more than welcome, just let me know, it's pretty casual) However, Saturday is "Ain't Dead Yet" which is a goth/industrial/80s club people I know put on at "Rooster's Road House" on Grand Ave. in Alameda. Since it's my Birthday that day, I'll miss Zoe's show because I'll be there. Stop by for a drink after the show though. Mark Sottilaro >> >> saturday busy loopy day in s.f., isn't marklar doing something in the >> afternoon >> ??? >> >> -das >> http://www.ubuibi.org/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 17 20:51:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3I0oUw04600; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 20:50:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 20:50:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.113.246.88] X-Originating-Email: [jdwinger@hotmail.com] From: "James Winger" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: SF performances Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 18:49:36 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Apr 2003 00:49:36.0837 (UTC) FILETIME=[62B3C750:01C30544] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com woah; I'm sorry here guys, I'm sort of a casual "lurker" here. Could you guys hep me to the current looping activity in the Bay Area ---here for another 5 weeks :- (???!?!?!?!?!? mainly go to Yoshi's these days (well, not as much since the corporate axe hit the neck) -- not too loopy though (too bad as I did notice a space echo by the console) _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 17 22:18:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3I2Gwd14829; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 22:16:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 22:16:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 21:28:16 -0400 From: Sempai Subject: Re: Recording tools To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00c201c3054f$d8535100$75772544@user0jd9dje1rf> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <27827FE9-7069-11D7-83AA-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a pair of Grados.....superb!! Sempai ----- Original Message ----- From: "sheila & joe" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 8:11 PM Subject: Re: Recording tools > > On Tuesday, April 15, 2003, at 04:35 PM, Chris Richards wrote: > > > . What about > > headphones? I imagine those are gonna be kinda > > pricey. Any thoughts here, folks? > > > > > > Hi Chris > > I have not personally tried these, but I've heard that > the Grado headphones are a good value. > > I found this link.... hope it helps. > > http://www.goodcans.com/ > > good luck, > > joe > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 17 23:37:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3I3WsD26276; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 23:32:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 23:32:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Mistsojorn@aol.com Message-ID: <9b.37599905.2bd0cba5@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 23:31:49 EDT Subject: Promo:GTMBA-4/18-vidnaObmana.Matt Borghi.Jason Sloan.Quentini, et al CC: ambient@hyperreal.org, darkwave@yahoogroups.com, electronicaworld@yahoogroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, phiba-improv@topica.com, philadelphiamusicscene@yahoogroups.com, phillygrooves@onelist.com, phillyshows@yahoogroups.com, sacrednoise@yahoogroups.com, akashmusicnewsgroup@yahoogroups.com, the_ambient_way@yahoogroups.com, pennsylvaniamusicscene@yahoogroups.com, emerge@egroups.com, phillygoth@tyranny.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 66 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h3I3W0B26095 Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Final reminder! Sorry for the nagging! Please distribute widely. Friday, April 18th: Gate to Moonbase Alpha Ambient/Experimental Series, with (in order of appearance): Stares to Nowhere (http://www.starestonowhere.com), The Cosmic Joke, The Great Quentini (performance art), vidnaObmana (http://www.vidnaobmana.be), Matt Borghi (http://www.mattborghi.com) with Jason Sloan (http://www.jasonsloan.org). +VJ Cut to the Chase ^^8pm-12am. The Rotunda: 4014 Walnut St., Philadelphia, PA. Admission is Free for all ages. More info: http://www.foundationarts.org, 215-573-3234.^^ Special note on vidnaObmana: Ambient musician vidnaObmana is one of spacemusic's brightest stars.   Using synthesizers, audio processors, and a vast array of exotic instruments, Belgian electronic musician vidnaObmana creates a complex, layered musical journey through rhythms, timbres, loops, and sonic atmospheres.   The name vidnaObmana means "optical illusion" in Serbo-Croation, a term he picked up while vacationing in Croatia during his childhood.   He chose this phrase as his musical persona to illustrate how his music correlates sonically with the surreal soundscapes he creates.   vidnaObmana is a prolific composer whose diverse body of work ranges from post-industrial through gently atmospheric, to tribal ambient and more.   His music slowly shifts through electronic audio imagery, creating extremely personal works of atmospheric delight. Throughout his career, vidnaObmana has explored the abrasive side of electronic composition, using freeform soundscapes, international music traditions, and post-classical experimentations.   His music has been released widely by many independent labels worldwide, including: Release/Relapse, Amplexus, Extreme, Hypnos, Mirage, Multimood, Projekt and others.   vidnaObmana will make another area appearance Saturday, April 19, at The Soundscapes Concert Series, in Bethlehem, PA. Info: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 18 09:34:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3IDUfI14682; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 09:30:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 09:30:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c001c305ae$6c2c5940$33e45cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #317 for April 17, 2003 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 09:28:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BD_01C3058C.D7E9F420" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BD_01C3058C.D7E9F420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each = Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in = Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #317 April 17, 2003. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on vidnaObmana, an internationally acclaimed ambient artist from Belgium who played an = in-studio radio concert and will perform area concerts at the next Gate to = Moonbase Alpha in Philadelphia on April 18 and at the Soundscapes Concert Series in = Bethlehem, Pennsylvania on April 19. The Featured CD at Midnight was replaced by = the in- studio concert. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Grand Canyon" by Tomita on the RCA = Red Seal label. The Featured CD at midnight was replaced by a live concert in the first = half of the show. The second half of the show was formatted like what normally transpires in the first half of EMUSIC. vidnaObmana - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#apr Soundscapes Concert Series - http://soundscapes.us PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 11:00 pm vidnaObmana In-studiio Concert live on EMUSIC 12:00 am Tomita Sunset Grand Canyon (RCA Red = Seal) Anthony De Gennaro Orbit The Message Service = (none) Mark G. E. and The Darkest Hour/Dawning Abstract Air (Internal Jim Skeel Combustion) Joint Intelligence Best Before End Grow (Bogus Focus) Committee Hypnosphere Anguish Within the Whirl = (Spheric) VA [Robert Rich] Folded Space * A Slight Touch of Grace (Release) 1:00 am * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on vidnaObmana. = The Featured CD at Midnight will be replaced by a live, in-studio radio = concert by vidnaObmana. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Pinnacles" by Edgar Froese on = Virgin Records. I will also play the music of Mother Mallard's Portable Masterpiece = Company who will be appearing at the Gatherings concert series on May 10. Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, = Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in = Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click = LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy ------=_NextPart_000_00BD_01C3058C.D7E9F420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs = each=20 Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and = 93.9 FM=20 in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
 
            =    =20     Show #317       =20             April 17, = 2003.
 

RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on=20 vidnaObmana, an
internationally acclaimed ambient artist from Belgium = who=20 played an in-studio
radio concert and will perform area concerts at = the next=20 Gate to Moonbase Alpha
in Philadelphia on April 18 and at the = Soundscapes=20 Concert Series in Bethlehem,
Pennsylvania on April 19.  The = Featured CD=20 at Midnight was replaced by the in-
studio concert.
 
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Grand Canyon" by Tomita on the = RCA Red=20 Seal
label.
 
The Featured CD at midnight was replaced by a live concert in the = first=20 half of
the show.  The second half of the show was formatted = like what=20 normally
transpires in the first half of EMUSIC.
 
vidnaObmana - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#apr
=
Soundscapes Concert Series - http://soundscapes.us
 

PLAYLIST:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
11:00=20 pm
vidnaObmana         &n= bsp;  =20 In-studiio Concert live on EMUSIC
 
12:00=20 am
Tomita          &= nbsp;      =20 Sunset           &= nbsp;      =20 Grand Canyon (RCA Red Seal)
Anthony De = Gennaro     =20 Orbit           &n= bsp;       =20 The Message Service (none)
Mark G. E.=20 and          The Darkest=20 Hour/Dawning Abstract Air (Internal
  Jim=20 Skeel           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;   =20 Combustion)
Joint Intelligence      Best = Before=20 End          Grow (Bogus=20 Focus)
 =20 Committee
Hypnosphere        &= nbsp;   =20 Anguish           =       =20 Within the Whirl (Spheric)
VA [Robert=20 Rich]        Folded Space=20 *           A Slight = Touch of=20 Grace
          &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;  =20 (Release)
 
1:00 am
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
 

NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long = focus on=20 vidnaObmana.  The
Featured CD at Midnight will be replaced by a = live,=20 in-studio radio concert by
vidnaObmana.
 
The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Pinnacles" by Edgar Froese = on=20 Virgin
Records.
 
I will also play the music of Mother Mallard's Portable Masterpiece = Company
who will be appearing at the Gatherings concert series on May = 10.
 
Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient,  and space music show,  = Thursdays=20 at 11
pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and = 93.9 FM in=20 Easton
and Phillipsburg.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org  and click =20 LISTEN
EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic<= /A>
To=20 subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!]=20 at
http://groups.yahoo.co= m/group/emusic-wdiy
 ------=_NextPart_000_00BD_01C3058C.D7E9F420-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 18 09:57:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3IDsvM16740; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 09:54:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 09:54:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 09:54:22 -0400 Subject: Having more fun with my edp From: Jeffrey Lomas To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The kids are out destroying the neighborhood so I got to spend some time messing around with LoopCopy and MoreLoop parameters. I'm finding setting MoreLoop=4 and dynamically tweaking LoopCopy (on/off/time) as inspired opens up a much bigger world of loop exploration particularly in the realm of foundation grooves. I'm ashamed to say that it has taken me this long to find this out; but happy, all the same, that I did. Setting MoreLoop<=4 seems to give enough memory to the partition to allow for some undos if you have multiplied the original cycle in subsequent loops. Of course this leads into questions about what a stereo edp setup w/bass on the other channel could do..... Have a nice weekend, everyone. Jeff P.S. Sonic Blender:A Looping Event is happening very soon. Peter will be posting an announcement soon about this, but you guys may want to look at http://www.randomsalt.com/events/sonicblender.php to get some info early about who is playing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 18 11:17:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3IFGSL25519; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 11:16:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 11:16:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 08:14:05 -0700 From: Patrick Bolan Subject: RE: Recording tools In-reply-to: <00c201c3054f$d8535100$75772544@user0jd9dje1rf> To: "'Sempai'" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-to: pbolan@csiconstruction.com Message-id: <005701c305bd$38245990$fc03030a@Patrickbolan2> Organization: CSI Construction MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I also own a pair of Grado SR60's. I tried them out w/ dozens of other headphones at (get this) headphone trade show. Have a very flat response, so if you're used to listening to bass-heavy response curves, you might think they are a bit bright. If you want an open-air design, I think Grado's are the best you're gonna do for under $200. Mine were $80. Patrick -----Original Message----- From: Sempai [mailto:sempai@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 5:28 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Recording tools I have a pair of Grados.....superb!! Sempai ----- Original Message ----- From: "sheila & joe" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 8:11 PM Subject: Re: Recording tools > > On Tuesday, April 15, 2003, at 04:35 PM, Chris Richards wrote: > > > . What about > > headphones? I imagine those are gonna be kinda > > pricey. Any thoughts here, folks? > > > > > > Hi Chris > > I have not personally tried these, but I've heard that > the Grado headphones are a good value. > > I found this link.... hope it helps. > > http://www.goodcans.com/ > > good luck, > > joe > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 18 11:27:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3IFOdC26369; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 11:24:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 11:24:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 08:22:24 -0700 From: Patrick Bolan Subject: RE: recording tools In-reply-to: <20030417052513.71233.qmail@web12303.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-to: pbolan@csiconstruction.com Message-id: <005801c305be$60ed10a0$fc03030a@Patrickbolan2> Organization: CSI Construction MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I own a pair of AKG CS1000 - a cigar shaped microphone w/ a large condensor element. Great for the value, but I wouldn't compare them w/ a bonafide tube mic. A plus - they have a 9volt compartment inside for phantom power, and they are built very tough. I've used them for vocals and acoustic (very nice), and sax (just ok). When I record my takamine, a single AKG sounds way better than the internal pickup that came with the Tak. Good luck! Patrick -----Original Message----- From: Chris Richards [mailto:kohntarkosz@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 9:25 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: recording tools <>> I think the guy on E-bay IS a music store, because he's not just selling one, it seems like he/she has several. It's kinda like how AltoMusic sells stuff on E-bay. <> Yeah, if you get it without the CD-burner, the CD-burner costs and extra 200 samoleans. <> You must have good credit for them to let you use the payment plan, as they run credit checks. That's the reason why I bought a VF80 instead of a VF160. :-P BTW, someone said that they thought the SM-57 isn't particularly good for recording acoustic instruments. Since one of the main reasons I'm looking for a mic is to record the used Takemine 12 string I bought a few weeks ago, what would you suggest for that purpose? I really don't have a lot of money to buy a bunch of specialized purpose mics. Right now, one that does several things well enough is what I'm shooting for. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 18 12:05:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3IG2UJ31397; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 12:02:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 12:02:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 09:01:58 -0700 Subject: Re: Loopy weekend in SF: performance on sat Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <15CE6C24-71B7-11D7-806A-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why not make it a regular habit? If this isn't the forum to plug your Loop show, I don't know what is. Mark Sottilaro On Friday, April 18, 2003, at 03:11 PM, Zoe Keating wrote: > > Hope it's okay to post this? I won't make a regular habit of it, > promise.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 18 12:13:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3IG8FB32175; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 12:08:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 12:08:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <12b.280df0d0.2bd17cd3@aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 12:07:47 EDT Subject: tools To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com its getting close to a month and i have not set up my (boomerang etc.).....im still just playing thru my electrix mo-fx>filter factory>warp factory.....the mo-fx has a 3300ms delay that you can loop, short yet sweet.....i had always thought that these boxes were just ok but after living exclusively with them for a bit i now find them very interesting.....i would be willing to play a show with just my guit and these boxes, you can created some real mayhem with them.....bottom line, if you have a bunch-o-boxes get to really learn them.....its not easy, my soul is crying out for my lovely rang all the time but it must wait.....soon i will have crazy things to feed my rang.....remember, hunger is the best spice.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 18 12:57:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3IGq6T04248; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 12:52:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 12:52:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <171.1d54e420.2bd18710@aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 12:51:28 EDT Subject: Loopy CDs for sale at Guitar9 and CDbaby To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h3IGpYB04138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Well, in trying to finance the next CD project I find I must try to find more ways to scratch a little money together. I'm down to the last dribbles and drabs of the "Flux Aeterna" CDs anyway. So, I sent most of 'em off to Guitar9.com, who also sell Andre LaFosse's fine CD (and who also gave me a very nice little review last June) and to CDbaby.com where Steve Lawson has his own marvelous discs for sale. So the last of these things are now NOT exclusively available ONLY from the label, pfMENTUM, or myself but procurable anytime from the fine folks at: http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html Please excuse my shameless hawking of wares in this space. But, these discs ARE very loopy (as probably am I, some would say). And, if there are any fans of extremely gnarly, strange, weird, silly, serious, languid, passionate, melodic, atonal, frenetic, clueless, calculated, loopy and experimental improv guitar who are reading this message and have not checked it out before . . . this disc is for you . . . or not. Get 'em while they last. End of commercial plug. Oh, And, I have a gig with "Doctor Bob" in Ventura, CA on April 26th. And, a big "extravaganza" in Ashland, OR on May 24th. I'll post more details later. tEd ® kiLLiAn ArsOcarina@aol.com http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 18 13:21:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3IHHxr08157; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 13:17:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 13:17:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030418171724.79746.qmail@web12307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:17:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: microphones To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200304181334.h3IDYk814953@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <<> I'm > looking for a mic is to record the used Takemine > 12 string I bought a few weeks ago, what would > you suggest for that purpose? A Neumann TLM 103. They're down in price. You'll be able to record everything from thunderstorms to crickets mating in the corner of your back 20. You could spend your money worse. I also like CAD mics. They are purdy to look at when yer a singin' and strummin'. >> You're kidding, rihgt? "Down in price"?! Musician's Friend has them for $899!!!! PLEASE tell me there's something less expensive than that available! ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 18 13:50:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3IHlHr11278; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 13:47:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 13:47:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.144.36.162] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: loopy eek tuesday in SF Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:46:37 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Apr 2003 17:46:39.0605 (UTC) FILETIME=[771B3A50:01C305D2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, by the way, I'll be doing some looping of turntable/cd/tape at next week's "Under the Radar" show at 26 Mix. Also on the bill are The Lovemakers and Tri-Cornered Tent Show. 2 dj's too - Julian Destrukt and Zygote. I believe I'm opening at 9ish. It's also a great place to see music - nice seats, people to talk to, etc, often a diverse lineup of "experimental music". Tuesday, Aril 22 26 Mix 3024 Mission Street @ 26th Street San Francisco 9:00pm - Close $5.00 Matt Davignon _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 18 14:01:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3IHvc912377; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 13:57:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 13:57:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E9FCC55.62D5@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:58:46 +0100 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopy CDs for sale at Guitar9 and CDbaby References: <171.1d54e420.2bd18710@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Ted, Thanks for posting this I just got a copy. I had been thinking that "flux" was all gone,so, It's great to be able to pick it up.. BTW my cd's are also at CDBABY http://www.cdbaby.com/drengsen2 PEACE, Scott Kungha Drengsen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 18 14:18:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3IIHjo16149; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:17:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:17:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030418181701.7437.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 11:17:01 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: EQ To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200304181334.h3IDYk814953@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All this talk about eBay Sellers got me looking into this SMProductionsinc guy. I noticed a few items that I've been thinking about for a while so I thought I'd ask this list. (One degree of separation here, this is all about refining my looping studio). He had a Behringer GEQ3102 on sale for $140, $10 less than Musician's Friend (though it's gone from his list today). This is your basic dual channel 31 band EQ. Looking around in MF for other EQ's, they range from around $130 to $1500 for this type. Question: what is the big difference between EQ's? I know that some of them have switchable ranges from +/- 6dB to +/- 12dB, some are two rack spaces while others are four, and the sonic quality theoretically increases with each clam you lay down... other than that I mean. Does anyone have experience with budget 31 band EQ's? Will they destroy the otherwise pristine studio sound that I currently have? Second question: He also has the Behringer Ultra Q Tube Processor (T 1951) for sale at $189 ($11 less than MF). Does anyone have experience with this beast? It is a four band stereo (or dual mono) parametric EQ with Sovtek tubes. How quiet is it? Do the tubes need to be upgraded to other ones to improve the overall sound? I noticed on Harmony Central that some people were complaining about the tubes on another Behringer unit (the T1952 Tube Composer) saying that the tubes were under powered (>100v) at less than their optimal working voltage (circa 300v). Do tubes need to be run at full power to work well? Or is that only for some applications and not others? I have steered away from Behringer in the past mainly due to the lower sonic quality of their mixers compared to Mackie. They have some pretty incredible prices on a lot of gear and I can't help but think that there are some serious compromises in sonic quality to be made. Perhaps this is true on some of their gear and not others? Some of their manuals are clear and straight forward (like their mixer manuals), others (like the FCB1010) are written by English-as-a-second-language writer-nerds. TIA, Stephen __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 18 15:18:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3IJETH23540; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:14:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:14:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 12:12:09 -0700 Subject: Re: Loopy weekend in SF: performance on sat From: Zoe Keating To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <15CE6C24-71B7-11D7-806A-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com perhaps you're right. i guess i've come to value this list so much for all the tech-talk, troubleshooting, stylistic banter and whatnot (i had trouble posting for a long time and was a regular forager in the archives). it seems like so many other lists i've been on in the past have morphed into primarily "gig-spam". so my comment was a reference to the guilt i was feeling about following the same pattern! ok i know there's a difference. darn english upbringing...no more guilt! > From: Mark Sottilaro > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 09:01:58 -0700 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Loopy weekend in SF: performance on sat > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 12:02:00 -0400 > > Why not make it a regular habit? If this isn't the forum to plug your > Loop show, I don't know what is. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Friday, April 18, 2003, at 03:11 PM, Zoe Keating wrote: >> >> Hope it's okay to post this? I won't make a regular habit of it, >> promise.... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 18 18:30:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3IMQf812621; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 18:26:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 18:26:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 18:26:06 -0400 From: Paulzric@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: microphones MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <109595C1.4DEF9317.007D6382@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >You're kidding, rihgt (sic)? "Down in price"?! >Musician's Friend has them for $899!!!! PLEASE >tell me there's something less expensive than >that available! There are plenty of microphones to choose from. Someone asked for advice on types, it may or may not have been the writer quoted above. Have fun shopping. You know, at a gig in a little smokey hole-in-the-wall place last night, this great big drunk fella grabbed my microphone (the other guitarist was singing at the time) and he started to howl into it. It wasn't loud enough for him, so he started fumbling for the switch to turn it on with. I started to laugh. He never did find it. I think every studio should have a secret weapon, so to speak. A gem. Something you pull out when you need to capture the essence of a performance or moment. All crafts have their associated prices. Those mahogany Grado headphones look nice. Some are $700.00. Volvos are nice too. They start around $30,000.00. Boss makes a looper that gets players up and running for a couple hundred. If you were to ask what looper to buy, most folks here, myself included, would tell you to consider the EDP, regardless of the price. Craftsmanship is more difficult to achieve than the customer realizes. It's like that scene in Mansfield Park where some of the rich folks are relocating and need a cart to move their stuff from point A to point B. It happened to be during harvest time. They couldn't find a cart, even from the peasants, to save their life. No amount of money could pry the cart from the people who needed them. In the same way, you can't buy brains. The people (engineers) who create these amazing tools should be amply rewarded. (Unfortunately, there's a lot more involved than them: read Atlas Shrugged for starters.) So, when putting together something that is going to last a lot longer than your mortal body, buying the best is, again in my opinion, a far better way to go than buying the quick and dirty. $799.00 or &899.00 for a supurb microphone that will bristle with the energy that you feed it is worth it. Many nice performances were captured by a needle scratching a wax disc once upon a time. I'm sure they would have used a Neumann if they had had one. I'm tired of writing this. All lies and jest still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest...la la l'la. (I'm thankful someone used good microphones on those guys.) No kidding here, lad. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 18 19:25:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3INMNq19279; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 19:22:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 19:22:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 19:12:55 -0400 From: Sempai Subject: Re: microphones To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <009d01c30600$72006120$75772544@user0jd9dje1rf> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <109595C1.4DEF9317.007D6382@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Atlas Shrugged...another intellectual looper! :-) Sempai ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 6:26 PM Subject: Re: microphones The people (engineers) who create these amazing tools > should be amply rewarded. (Unfortunately, there's a lot more involved than them: read Atlas Shrugged for starters.) So, when putting together something that is From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 18 20:45:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3J0i4b25890; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 20:44:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 20:44:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 17:43:25 -0700 Subject: Line6 Delay Mod Pro or DL4 expression pedals? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <12b.280df0d0.2bd17cd3@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <_UwQLD.A.DUG.1uJo-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I'm really dreading dragging a rack out to the small gig I have this sunday, and I'm thinking (since it's my birthday!) I might treat myself to the DL4... or the Delay Mod Pro. Here's my question: Can I use a expression pedal to control the feedback on either of them? This is important. What pedals work? I searched the archives but nothing came up. Also, does it put MIDI clock out? I'm hoping to slave a KAOSS pad II from it's clock if possible. What? Why the hell am I buying new gear for a gig that's on Sunday. Because I'm crazy. Thanks, Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 18 21:53:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3J1nt131973; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 21:49:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 21:49:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030419014921.26515.qmail@web11402.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 18:49:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rich R." Subject: Re: Line6 Delay Mod Pro or DL4 expression pedals? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <_2-mWB.A.0xH.jsKo-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, With regards to the Echo Pro, which I think is what you're referring to, it has a jack for an analog expression pedal. It can be configured to control whatever parameter you like, or morph between two "scenes" in a patch. Any old expression pedal will work AFAIK. It doesn't send MIDI clock, but only receives (and apparently not too well depending on fate). Regards, Rich --- mark wrote: > Hey, > > I'm really dreading dragging a rack out to the small > gig I have this > sunday, and I'm thinking (since it's my birthday!) I > might treat myself > to the DL4... or the Delay Mod Pro. Here's my > question: Can I use a > expression pedal to control the feedback on either > of them? This is > important. What pedals work? I searched the > archives but nothing came > up. > > Also, does it put MIDI clock out? I'm hoping to > slave a KAOSS pad II > from it's clock if possible. What? Why the hell am > I buying new gear > for a gig that's on Sunday. > > Because I'm crazy. > > Thanks, > > Mark > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 18 22:16:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3J2CUR02176; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 22:12:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 22:12:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <4e.1affda7c.2bd20a71@aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 22:12:01 EDT Subject: D.C. LOOPFEST To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com a bit ago there was mention of a fest in the D.C. area.....this is the third time that i am asking about this hoe-down.....whats the scoop di-jore?.....or perhaps this is just another thing that i have made up for myself!.....:).....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 19 01:37:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3J5XQU20914; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 01:33:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 01:33:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030418233807.007ee910@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 23:38:07 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Line6 Delay Mod Pro or DL4 expression pedals? In-Reply-To: References: <12b.280df0d0.2bd17cd3@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, you can control the feedback on the DL-4 with an expression pedal but it doesn't send or receive midi clock. Smiles, C-Quinn At 05:43 PM 4/18/03 -0700, you wrote: >Hey, > >I'm really dreading dragging a rack out to the small gig I have this >sunday, and I'm thinking (since it's my birthday!) I might treat myself >to the DL4... or the Delay Mod Pro. Here's my question: Can I use a >expression pedal to control the feedback on either of them? This is >important. What pedals work? I searched the archives but nothing came >up. > >Also, does it put MIDI clock out? I'm hoping to slave a KAOSS pad II >from it's clock if possible. What? Why the hell am I buying new gear >for a gig that's on Sunday. > >Because I'm crazy. > >Thanks, > >Mark > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 19 02:00:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3J5t1f23381; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 01:55:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 01:55:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030419055434.19135.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 22:54:34 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Line6 Delay Mod Pro or DL4 expression pedals? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- mark wrote: > Hey, > Here's my > question: Can I use a > expression pedal to control the feedback on either > of them? This is > important. What pedals work? I searched the > archives but nothing came up. Just to clarify...you can control the feedback of the delay models, but not the feedback of the looper. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 19 05:13:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3J9CBI08368; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 05:12:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 05:12:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: RE: Line6 Delay Mod Pro or DL4 expression pedals? Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 11:13:08 +0200 Message-ID: <000901c30653$e5997ec0$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: <20sCUD.A.eCC.TLRo-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, you can control the feedback for the delay algorithms only, NOT for the looper! (actually imho DL4's #1 drawback) Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de > -----Original Message----- > From: mark [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Samstag, 19. April 2003 02:43 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Line6 Delay Mod Pro or DL4 expression pedals? > > > Hey, > > I'm really dreading dragging a rack out to the small gig I have this > sunday, and I'm thinking (since it's my birthday!) I might > treat myself > to the DL4... or the Delay Mod Pro. Here's my question: Can I use a > expression pedal to control the feedback on either of them? This is > important. What pedals work? I searched the archives but > nothing came > up. > > Also, does it put MIDI clock out? I'm hoping to slave a KAOSS pad II > from it's clock if possible. What? Why the hell am I buying > new gear > for a gig that's on Sunday. > > Because I'm crazy. > > Thanks, > > Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 19 06:58:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3JAv3B14689; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 06:57:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 06:57:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <97.377ae408.2bd2856a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 06:56:42 EDT Subject: Re: EQ ot To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <2FQf8D.A.7kD.vtSo-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > He had a Behringer GEQ3102 on sale for $140, $10 less than Musician's > This is your basic dual channel 31 band EQ. > Question: > Will they destroy the otherwise pristine studio sound > that I currently have? If it's pristine now then why fix it? Graphic EQs are primarily for sorting out problems. The cheaper units won't even have a pristine bypass > Second question: He also has the Behringer Ultra Q Tube Processor (T > 1951) for sale at $189 > parametric EQ with Sovtek tubes. How quiet is it? Do the tubes > need to be upgraded to > other ones to improve the overall sound? I noticed on Harmony Central that > some people were > complaining about the tubes on another Behringer unit (the T1952 Tube > Composer) saying that the > tubes were under powered (>100v) at less than their optimal working voltage ( > circa 300v). Do > tubes need to be run at full power to work well? Or is that only for some > applications and not > others? I have the Behringer Ultragain preamp/EQ, (with tube) the EQ is OK, especially if you keep to a lower Q factor. I guess it's basically the same circuit. ...but not comparable to a top quality studio EQ Behringer Tube stuff is just their non-tube stuff with a tube in the signal path. You wouldn't know it was connected unless the tube malfunctioned. Running the tubes at a lower voltage is fine, I don't think it matters unless they're power amp tubes. At low voltage the tubes last much longer. If you look closely at the Behringer tubes you'll see that the "tube-glow" is actually produced by LEDS, which the clever folks at Behringer have even given a "warm up" time. > I have steered away from Behringer in the past mainly due to the lower > sonic quality of their > mixers compared to Mackie. last time I checked Mackies had rough sounding pre-amps, and I didn't like the EQ. Has anyone actually AB'ed Behringer/Mackie properly? > They have some pretty incredible prices on a lot > of gear and I can't > help but think that there are some serious compromises in sonic quality to > be made. Perhaps this > is true on some of their gear and not others? Their stuff is somewhat variable in quality. ...but compare Roland/Yamaha who tend to save a few pence here and there on chips regardless of sound. I wouldn't trust that the new models sound better than the old. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 19 10:55:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3JEqq701157; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 10:52:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 10:52:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 10:54:39 -0400 Subject: Re: NYC looping gig From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200304181334.h3IDYkl14954@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve Sandberg will be shamanistically playing, singing and otherwise carrying on at Meow Mix 269 East Houston Street at Suffolk Sunday April 20 around 9:30 PM Bring your ya-yas, bones, and magic teeth! . . . EDP, breath-controlled synth, vocals . . . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 19 12:09:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3JG6Yc08948; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 12:06:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 12:06:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004e01c3068d$bb8f6c40$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents the Canadian Electronic Ensemble Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 12:07:10 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Tuesday April 22nd - Canadian Electronic Ensemble The Canadian Electronic Ensemble was founded in 1971 and is the oldest continuous live-electronic group in the world. When the CEE was founded, electronic music could only be heard on tape. The Canadian Electronic Ensemble developed a new medium: live electronic music. Often, the members of the CEE had to design and build their own instruments, as the synthesizers of the time were enormous and not meant for live performance. Over 30 years later, the CEE is still at the forefront of live electronic music and are currently using laptop computers as their primary sound manipulation tools. This performance will squeeze all 6 members of the CEE onto the Ping's stage: Paul Stillwell, Rose Bolton, David Jaeger, Jim Montgomery, Larry Lake and Michael Dobinson. http://www3.sympatico.ca/larry_lake/cee.htm Between Sets CD - "Electronic Forest" (h/s recordings - 2002) "Electronic Forest" is an album of dark atmospherics by Dutch ambient artists Matthew Florianz (Liquid Morphine), Joris de Man & Erik t'Sas. A gallery of sound paintings, enshrouded in mystery and dense mist, "Electronic Forest" has been be described as both minimal and orchestral, ambiguous and cinematic. http://www.hsrecordings.co.uk/music_electronicforest.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 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A tasteful bassline runs throughout second song "Blue", sparse vocals passing by as percussion builds and swells but never overpowers the mix, leaving a respectful space for us to embrace the groove. Stunning. Track four "Creation" burbles and wurbles in all the right places, a little freaky but in a good way that reminds me of something warm. In contrast "Droneine" whistles and blows in a most ominous manner that makes me feel quite cold. Quite an extreme, but effective nonetheless. And the rest? It's all good, but I'm going to leave that for you to find out for yourself. If you're looking for something with a downtempo groove and some intelligent beatz, then Syntax Error is definately for you... "We're in it for the money" is now available online at http://www.pingthings.com Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com to be updated on all the latest releases on sale at PiNG THiNGS. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. Drop off food at *ping things* for the Daily Bread Food Bank too and we'll ensure that it gets there. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 19 12:53:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3JGr9L12823; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 12:53:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 12:53:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 09:52:44 -0700 Subject: Re: EQ ot Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <97.377ae408.2bd2856a@aol.com> Message-Id: <57641BA2-7287-11D7-8448-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not sure if I agree with the idea that an EQ is for sorting out problems, unless you consider the world a problem.. oh yeah right it is. Anyway, I'm not that concerned about it for the shows I do, but when I did live sound a good stereo graphic EQ was crucial to getting your music to sound good in different rooms. On Saturday, April 19, 2003, at 03:56 AM, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > If it's pristine now then why fix it? > Graphic EQs are primarily for sorting out problems. > The cheaper units won't even have a pristine bypass > If you look closely at the Behringer tubes you'll > see that the "tube-glow" is actually produced by LEDS, which > the clever folks at Behringer have even given a "warm up" time. Heh, that's funny. I learned that my Digitech 2112 has a similar yellow LED behind the 12AX7 for that extra warmth we all love. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 19 14:36:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3JIYRM24417; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 14:34:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 14:34:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030419123919.007ebe20@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 12:39:19 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Line6 Delay Mod Pro or DL4 expression pedals? In-Reply-To: <20030419055434.19135.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is true, in that there is actually no feedback setting in the looper section at all. -which has been an annoyance of mine, with it, and a complaint of others for a while with this. I've been able to easily work around it though. Smiles, C-Quinn At 10:54 PM 4/18/03 -0700, you wrote: > >--- mark wrote: >> Hey, >> Here's my >> question: Can I use a >> expression pedal to control the feedback on either >> of them? This is >> important. What pedals work? I searched the >> archives but nothing came up. > >Just to clarify...you can control the feedback of >the delay models, but not the feedback of the looper. > >John > > >===== >John Tidwell > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo >http://search.yahoo.com > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 19 16:13:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3JK9va07211; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 16:09:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 16:09:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 16:07:02 -0400 Subject: Re: Line6 Delay Mod Pro or DL4 expression pedals? Message-ID: <20030419.160703.-315069.0.mabnotes@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Michael A Baggetta Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Easily work around it? Waht do you mean? Mike On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 12:39:19 -0600 Goddess writes: > This is true, in that there is actually no feedback setting in the > looper > section at all. -which has been an annoyance of mine, with it, and > a > complaint of others for a while with this. I've been able to easily > work > around it though. > > Smiles, > > C-Quinn > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 19 16:18:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3JKHYk07801; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 16:17:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 16:17:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Line6 Delay Mod Pro or DL4 expression pedals? Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 16:17:12 -0400 Message-ID: <001601c306b0$a9aca2e0$2f2f04d1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <20030419.160703.-315069.0.mabnotes@juno.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, one thing you can do is assign the 'mix' to the exp pedal, and fade out the volume of the loop. Then once it is down completely, you can shut it off. Or fade it back it, which normal feedback won't allow you to do. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > Easily work around it? Waht do you mean? > > Mike > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 19 18:02:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3JM0uZ16950; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 18:00:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 18:00:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007001c306be$f6b1b4a0$9661f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200304190045.h3J0jA226029@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Electrix Filter Factory and Mo-Fx Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 14:59:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My dear good friend, Michael Klobuchar was extolling the virtues of the Electrix Filter Factory and the Mo-Fx (and let me pipe in for the Warp Factory vocoder as well). These are amazing machines designed for real time performance loop manglage. All the effects are time based, can be synced off of loops in multiples and divisions (fantastic for creating real time 'jungle' and ersatz glitch effects). Given, the quality of the effects is not as high as a really good Lexicon or TC Electronics DSP box, but the ability to do musical and especially rhythmic manipulations of tremelos, filter sweeps, flanges, choruses, distortion and echoes is just amazing. At Loopstock, someone had one of each of these devices for sale for $175 each and I was just astonished that no one jumped for it. Oh yeah, and the buttons are designed 1) to take the abuse of a good drum machine button and 2) to engage the effect if the effect is turned off or disengage the effect if it is turned on.................. ..........one trick I love is to put a radical telephone filter on a looped drum or percussion part and then 'play' the disengage button like a drum which allows individual bass drums to come in at very loud volume and in full spectrum. This is a really cool effect until you disengage the button and the groove begins in earnest. I love my ELECTRIX gear, I have to say..............a shame they couldn't figure out how to market better. yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 19 18:21:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3JML8a18415; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 18:21:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 18:21:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030419151901.02afaec0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 15:21:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Line6 Delay Mod Pro or DL4 expression pedals? In-Reply-To: <001601c306b0$a9aca2e0$2f2f04d1@home> References: <20030419.160703.-315069.0.mabnotes@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com But that is just a volume control. Feedback control is not the same thing at all! kim At 01:17 PM 4/19/2003, future perfect wrote: >Well, one thing you can do is assign the 'mix' to the exp pedal, and >fade out the volume of the loop. Then once it is down completely, you >can shut it off. Or fade it back it, which normal feedback won't allow >you to do. > > > > Easily work around it? Waht do you mean? > > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 19 18:25:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3JMPFG18806; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 18:25:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 18:25:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 15:25:00 -0700 Subject: Re: Line6 Delay Mod Pro or DL4 expression pedals? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <001601c306b0$a9aca2e0$2f2f04d1@home> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Right now, I'm noticing that when it's (the mod pro) in overdub (which it automatically goes into nicely) the feedback is >100% by some unknown amount. (thanks Line6!) So that's good enough for me. A minute of loop plus some delay on top of that is worth $199. However, I want to set up the "mix" to be set by the expression pedal... and my Roland Expression pedal (the big one.. I forgot it's model number) isn't seemingly controlling it. I haven't tried my Yamaha expression pedal yet. So, is there a reason to get line6's pedal? Or am I doing something wrong when I set up the program? Anyone have luck with the Roland pedal? Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, April 19, 2003, at 01:17 PM, future perfect wrote: > Well, one thing you can do is assign the 'mix' to the exp pedal, and > fade out the volume of the loop. Then once it is down completely, you > can shut it off. Or fade it back it, which normal feedback won't allow > you to do. > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > >> >> Easily work around it? Waht do you mean? >> >> Mike >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 19 18:39:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3JMXYC19708; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 18:33:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 18:33:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Line6 Delay Mod Pro or DL4 expression pedals? Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 18:33:00 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c306c3$a287e430$2f2f04d1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, the Line6 pedal is an expensive little piece of plastic- I mean, it is ridiculously priced for the build quality. I found one for $20 on Ebay, but was lucky. I also have an old passive no-name volume pedal that works just fine with it. I think, in overdub mode, the feedback is something like 95%. I know reducing the volume of the loop isn't the same, but it is a slight workaround if you don't play a lot with an open loop. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > Right now, I'm noticing that when it's (the mod pro) in > overdub (which > it automatically goes into nicely) the feedback is >100% by some > unknown amount. (thanks Line6!) So that's good enough for me. A > minute of loop plus some delay on top of that is worth $199. > However, > I want to set up the "mix" to be set by the expression > pedal... and my > Roland Expression pedal (the big one.. I forgot it's model number) > isn't seemingly controlling it. I haven't tried my Yamaha expression > pedal yet. > > So, is there a reason to get line6's pedal? Or am I doing something > wrong when I set up the program? Anyone have luck with the Roland > pedal? > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Saturday, April 19, 2003, at 01:17 PM, future perfect wrote: > > > Well, one thing you can do is assign the 'mix' to the exp > pedal, and > > fade out the volume of the loop. Then once it is down > completely, you > > can shut it off. Or fade it back it, which normal feedback > won't allow > > you to do. > > > > Dave Eichenberger > > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > > > >> > >> Easily work around it? Waht do you mean? > >> > >> Mike > >> > >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 19 18:55:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3JMsdK21559; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 18:54:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 18:54:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 23:57:30 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: RE: Line6 Delay Mod Pro or DL4 expression pedals? In-Reply-To: <000201c306c3$a287e430$2f2f04d1@home> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: <04e525156221343PCOW053M@blueyonder.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h3JMsKB21523 Resent-Message-ID: <8i3_bC.A.iQF.cOdo-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, My looping has (so far) been limited to my DL4, I'm about to get the Delay Pro as much for its extended number of programmes for the delays as for the looper. I know that it reduces the level of the previous loop by (is it 5%..) in overdub mode in order to take care of overloads. I don't quite understand though what "feedback amount" means when talked about on the list in relation to say the EDP. Is it to be able to be able to control the amount at which the previous loop reduces in level when overdubbing? or is it about feeding back the loop into itself? (or something that I haven't yet understood?). Ian. At 23:33 19/04/03 , you wrote: >Well, the Line6 pedal is an expensive little piece of plastic- I mean, >it is ridiculously priced for the build quality. I found one for $20 on >Ebay, but was lucky. I also have an old passive no-name volume pedal >that works just fine with it. > >I think, in overdub mode, the feedback is something like 95%. I know >reducing the volume of the loop isn't the same, but it is a slight >workaround if you don't play a lot with an open loop. > >Dave Eichenberger >http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > >> >> Right now, I'm noticing that when it's (the mod pro) in >> overdub (which >> it automatically goes into nicely) the feedback is >100% by some >> unknown amount.  (thanks Line6!) So that's good enough for me.  A >> minute of loop plus some delay on top of that is worth $199.  >> However, >> I want to set up the "mix" to be set by the expression >> pedal... and my >> Roland Expression pedal (the big one.. I forgot it's model number) >> isn't seemingly controlling it.  I haven't tried my Yamaha expression >> pedal yet. >> >> So, is there a reason to get line6's pedal?  Or am I doing something >> wrong when I set up the program?  Anyone have luck with the Roland >> pedal? >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> >> On Saturday, April 19, 2003, at 01:17 PM, future perfect wrote: >> >> > Well, one thing you can do is assign the 'mix' to the exp >> pedal, and >> > fade out the volume of the loop. Then once it is down >> completely, you >> > can shut it off. Or fade it back it, which normal feedback >> won't allow >> > you to do. >> > >> > Dave Eichenberger >> > http://www.hazardfactor.com >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> Easily work around it?  Waht do you mean? >> >> >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> >> > >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 19 20:24:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3K0N3L29666; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 20:23:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 20:23:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030419182806.0094a1e0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 18:28:06 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Line6 Delay Mod Pro or DL4 expression pedals? In-Reply-To: <20030419.160703.-315069.0.mabnotes@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <1LX_GC.A._OH.Vheo-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What I mean, is that I can get loops to fade and blend quite nicely, quickly enough with some creative use of overdub. That's all. -Perhaps I should have clarified! lol! Smiles, Cara At 04:07 PM 4/19/03 -0400, you wrote: >Easily work around it? Waht do you mean? > >Mike > > >On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 12:39:19 -0600 Goddess writes: >> This is true, in that there is actually no feedback setting in the >> looper >> section at all. -which has been an annoyance of mine, with it, and >> a >> complaint of others for a while with this. I've been able to easily >> work >> around it though. >> >> Smiles, >> >> C-Quinn >> > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 19 20:30:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3K0UC230310; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 20:30:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 20:30:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030419172859.02ba2960@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 17:30:16 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Line6 Delay Mod Pro or DL4 expression pedals? In-Reply-To: <04e525156221343PCOW053M@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <000201c306c3$a287e430$2f2f04d1@home> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:57 PM 4/19/2003, Ian Popperwell wrote: > I don't quite understand >though what "feedback amount" means when talked about on the list in relation >to say the EDP. Is it to be able to be able to control the amount at which the >previous loop reduces in level when overdubbing? or is it about feeding back >the loop into itself? (or something that I haven't yet understood?). there's an explanation that might help you in the echoplex faq: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ8.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 19 20:41:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3K0et331383; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 20:40:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 20:40:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030419184559.00948430@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 18:45:59 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: RE: Line6 Delay Mod Pro or DL4 expression pedals? In-Reply-To: <04e525156221343PCOW053M@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <000201c306c3$a287e430$2f2f04d1@home> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h3K0eaB31336 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Ian, Yes, and Yes. The idea of feedback, when refering to a delay, is that the signal gets fed back into the delay circuit and then gets repeated, and the process continues. Feedback is the amount of that signal which gets fed back, so if you don't feed as much signal back, the repeates become softer and softer and softer, and eventually fade completely. If you feed the same signal level back, the repeats simply continue as they are, at the same volume level, indefinitely... Since alot of what people are using is digital, the idea of an analog delay circuit is modeled in different ways, but the concept of feedback is similar. Anyway, others here, know much more on this, so hopefully someone can elaborate on, or correct the fine points so this makes more sense. -Hope this helps. Smiles, Cara At 11:57 PM 4/19/03 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >My looping has (so far) been limited to my DL4, I'm about to get the Delay Pro >as much for its extended number of programmes for the delays as for the >looper. >I know that it reduces the level of the previous loop by (is it 5%..) in >overdub mode in order to take care of overloads. I don't quite understand >though what "feedback amount" means when talked about on the list in relation >to say the EDP. Is it to be able to be able to control the amount at which the >previous loop reduces in level when overdubbing? or is it about feeding back >the loop into itself? (or something that I haven't yet understood?). > >Ian. >At 23:33 19/04/03 , you wrote: >>Well, the Line6 pedal is an expensive little piece of plastic- I mean, >>it is ridiculously priced for the build quality. I found one for $20 on >>Ebay, but was lucky. I also have an old passive no-name volume pedal >>that works just fine with it. >> >>I think, in overdub mode, the feedback is something like 95%. I know >>reducing the volume of the loop isn't the same, but it is a slight >>workaround if you don't play a lot with an open loop. >> >>Dave Eichenberger >>http://www.hazardfactor.com >> >> >> >>> >>> Right now, I'm noticing that when it's (the mod pro) in >>> overdub (which >>> it automatically goes into nicely) the feedback is >100% by some >>> unknown amount.  (thanks Line6!) So that's good enough for me.  A >>> minute of loop plus some delay on top of that is worth $199.  >>> However, >>> I want to set up the "mix" to be set by the expression >>> pedal... and my >>> Roland Expression pedal (the big one.. I forgot it's model number) >>> isn't seemingly controlling it.  I haven't tried my Yamaha expression >>> pedal yet. >>> >>> So, is there a reason to get line6's pedal?  Or am I doing something >>> wrong when I set up the program?  Anyone have luck with the Roland >>> pedal? >>> >>> Mark Sottilaro >>> >>> On Saturday, April 19, 2003, at 01:17 PM, future perfect wrote: >>> >>> > Well, one thing you can do is assign the 'mix' to the exp >>> pedal, and >>> > fade out the volume of the loop. Then once it is down >>> completely, you >>> > can shut it off. Or fade it back it, which normal feedback >>> won't allow >>> > you to do. >>> > >>> > Dave Eichenberger >>> > http://www.hazardfactor.com >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >> >>> >> Easily work around it?  Waht do you mean? >>> >> >>> >> Mike >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> >> > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 19 20:43:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3K0h5F31651; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 20:43:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 20:43:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030419184815.00949d00@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 18:48:15 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: RE: Line6 Delay Mod Pro or DL4 expression pedals? In-Reply-To: <04e525156221343PCOW053M@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <000201c306c3$a287e430$2f2f04d1@home> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h3K0grB31601 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I should have said, Yes, Yes, and no... lol! -You seem to grasp it just fine... -Have a great weekend!... Smiles, Cara At 11:57 PM 4/19/03 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >My looping has (so far) been limited to my DL4, I'm about to get the Delay Pro >as much for its extended number of programmes for the delays as for the >looper. >I know that it reduces the level of the previous loop by (is it 5%..) in >overdub mode in order to take care of overloads. I don't quite understand >though what "feedback amount" means when talked about on the list in relation >to say the EDP. Is it to be able to be able to control the amount at which the >previous loop reduces in level when overdubbing? or is it about feeding back >the loop into itself? (or something that I haven't yet understood?). > >Ian. >At 23:33 19/04/03 , you wrote: >>Well, the Line6 pedal is an expensive little piece of plastic- I mean, >>it is ridiculously priced for the build quality. I found one for $20 on >>Ebay, but was lucky. I also have an old passive no-name volume pedal >>that works just fine with it. >> >>I think, in overdub mode, the feedback is something like 95%. I know >>reducing the volume of the loop isn't the same, but it is a slight >>workaround if you don't play a lot with an open loop. >> >>Dave Eichenberger >>http://www.hazardfactor.com >> >> >> >>> >>> Right now, I'm noticing that when it's (the mod pro) in >>> overdub (which >>> it automatically goes into nicely) the feedback is >100% by some >>> unknown amount.  (thanks Line6!) So that's good enough for me.  A >>> minute of loop plus some delay on top of that is worth $199.  >>> However, >>> I want to set up the "mix" to be set by the expression >>> pedal... and my >>> Roland Expression pedal (the big one.. I forgot it's model number) >>> isn't seemingly controlling it.  I haven't tried my Yamaha expression >>> pedal yet. >>> >>> So, is there a reason to get line6's pedal?  Or am I doing something >>> wrong when I set up the program?  Anyone have luck with the Roland >>> pedal? >>> >>> Mark Sottilaro >>> >>> On Saturday, April 19, 2003, at 01:17 PM, future perfect wrote: >>> >>> > Well, one thing you can do is assign the 'mix' to the exp >>> pedal, and >>> > fade out the volume of the loop. Then once it is down >>> completely, you >>> > can shut it off. Or fade it back it, which normal feedback >>> won't allow >>> > you to do. >>> > >>> > Dave Eichenberger >>> > http://www.hazardfactor.com >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >> >>> >> Easily work around it?  Waht do you mean? >>> >> >>> >> Mike >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> >> > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 19 22:45:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3K2iQr10000; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 22:44:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 22:44:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <19f.13bae857.2bd3636e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 22:43:58 EDT Subject: cd xchange To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: <52R0nD.A.vbC.3lgo-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com about a week ago raul bonell (rauboto@ad-free.info) offered a cd exchange to the LD group.....his "SIRDIS" CD arrived today.....a monster treat!......i have several of his past CDs and am aware of his work from the CT-COLLECTIVE CDS.....this new project shows some wonderful growth both compositionally and an fine grasp of sound manipulation.....raul says in the liner notes "although audio quality is not optimun, in our opinion, moments of inspiration make these releases worthy".....well, im diggin the audio quality and there are more than a few moments of inspiration.....excellent work.....thank you raul.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 20 01:14:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3K5De924005; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 01:13:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 01:13:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EA22CAC.40003@minds-eye.org> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 22:14:20 -0700 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Line6 Delay Mod Pro or DL4 expression pedals? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think that the rep from Line6 who was on the list when the DL4 came out said that any pedal with a 10(k?) pot would work (hope I got that right. I don't know much of anything about electronics, but I know the 10 part is correct though). Kevin Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Right now, I'm noticing that when it's (the mod pro) in overdub (which > it automatically goes into nicely) the feedback is >100% by some unknown > amount. (thanks Line6!) So that's good enough for me. A minute of loop > plus some delay on top of that is worth $199. However, I want to set up > the "mix" to be set by the expression pedal... and my Roland Expression > pedal (the big one.. I forgot it's model number) isn't seemingly > controlling it. I haven't tried my Yamaha expression pedal yet. > > So, is there a reason to get line6's pedal? Or am I doing something > wrong when I set up the program? Anyone have luck with the Roland pedal? > > Mark Sottilaro -- How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 20 01:56:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3K5r9h27009; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 01:53:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 01:53:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 01:36:23 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Installations 4.21.03 - 5.4.03 Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, DrTVideo@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, collision-collusion@ai.mit.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'll be having three video installations up during the next couple of weeks. There will be a 2 monitor installation in the windows of the Zeitgeist Gallery being installed on April 21 and up until May 4. The other artists in the show are very interesting also -- so a trip to the gallery during its open hours is most recommended. The opening for this show is on 4.26 at 3:30 PM. If you want to combine art with a trip to the country, one of my pieces will be at the Monson Art's Center from 4.26 to 5.4, with the opening also at 4.26. The show last year had a lot of fine work. I'll have a two monitor with sound installation as part of COLLISIONfive opening reception on Sunday 4.27, from 1 to 8 PM. This is in the lobby outside the Compton Gallery at MIT. The COLLISIONfive show includes robotics and computer based art, and is guaranteed to surprise and stimulate. More details (in more formal prose) below. Video artist Doctor T (Emile S. Tobenfeld Ph. D) is pleased to announce 3 upcoming video installations. Doctor T creates "visual music" or "visual poetry: (whichever metaphor you prefer), by taking real-world image sources and combining and treating them in the computer, and sequencing the images using musical strategies such as theme and variations and improvisation. His pieces use a small number of thematic images, which are then computer processed and combined and collaged with other images to make sequences of moving images -- a "music for the eyes". He will have a piece titled Astro Blue vs. The Zeitgeist Mix in the window of the Zeitgeist Gallery as part of Digital Collage , which will be on display from April 21 to May 4. The show in the gallery will include work by Dave Grant, David Gordon, Daina Krumins, and Joanne Kaliontzis. This piece uses two looped and phased DVD players, and is part of his "Video Synchronicities" series, which explores the connections between multiple images both deliberately and serendipitously combined. This piece plays minimal mostly abstract images (Astro Blue) off a video derived from many image sources, mixed with images of the gallery sign (The Zeitgesit Mix). THE ZEITGEIST GALLERY is at, 1353 Cambridge St. Inman Sq. Cambridge 69 Bus from Harvard Gate NEW PHONE: 617.876.6060 The opening reception is on Saturday April 26, from 3:30 - 6:30 PM. The gallery is open from 2 to 7 PM Tuesdays - Sundays. My piece will be in the window and can be viewed at any time. http://www.zeitgeist-gallery.org/ He will have a piece called Water Music at The Heaven Below The Heaven Above Monson Arts Council 10 Annual Spring Art Exhibition & Sale April 26 - May 4, 2003, Monson Arts Centre 200 Main Street Monson, MA 01057 with the opening on April 26, at 1 PM Do not be fooled by the small town venue -- this show rocks! Water Music consists of images of water, collaged using computer animation techniques, and improvisationally sequenced. The piece is a musical treatment of some (a tiny fraction) of the textural and evocative properties of water imagey. It is set to a soundtrack of electronic music, composed my Michael Robinson, and based on a raga inspired by the Ganges River, He will have a piece entitled "Video Synchronicities -- The Bridge and The Elements" at the opening reception of COLLISIONfive, the next dimension, a celebration of art and technology at Compton Gallery at MIT. The Compton Gallery is in the main complex at MIT (77 Mass Ave, under the dome). The opening is on Sunday, April 27th, from 1 pm until 8PM. The Bridge and The Elements is a 2 DVD presentation, with soundtracks by Doctor T and Neil Leonard. The piece uses images of the Brooklyn Bridge at night, offset by images of water, fire, ice, and steel buildings. MIT Compton Gallery Apr26-May11, 2003 Opening reception Sun Apr 27th, 1-8pm for more info, go to http://www.ai.mit.edu/~jrb/cc/events/c5.htm COLLISIONfive is part of the 2003 Boston Cyberarts Festival -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 20 05:49:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3K9jWX15718; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 05:45:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 05:45:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 10:48:39 +0100 Subject: Repeater and England From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007001c306be$f6b1b4a0$9661f93f@global> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi just a basic question regarding the repeater Will a US repeater work in England as it is or would I need a different power supply? I only ask because they are out of business and I know getting a new power supply is almost impossible, therefore I don't want to dig myself a hole by buying something that won't work. Cheers geoff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 20 06:13:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3KAAnu18066; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 06:10:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 06:10:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 06:10:27 EDT Subject: Re: Line6 Delay Mod Pro or DL4 expression pedals? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > to the DL4... or the Delay Mod Pro. Here's my question: Can I use a > expression pedal to control the feedback on either of them? This is > important. What pedals work? 100k linear pot to a mono jack seems to work. (the one I use doesn't have the full range, being one of those old type mechanisms that doesn't turn the pot fully, the measured range is 0 to 80k ) but from the response I'm not sure a log pot wouldn't be better. ..so any old swell pedal might work. andy butler ps. the comment about EQ I made was about graphic EQs specifically From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 20 07:02:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3KB0MH21220; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 07:00:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 07:00:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004a01c3072b$f9d26810$02edfea9@becomenieswqf3> From: "bcomens" To: References: Subject: Re: Repeater and England Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 12:59:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's an international power supply, like a laptop. You just need the plug adaptor. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Smith" To: Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 11:48 AM Subject: Repeater and England > Hi > just a basic question regarding the repeater > > Will a US repeater work in England as it is or would I need a different > power supply? > > I only ask because they are out of business and I know getting a new power > supply is almost impossible, therefore I don't want to dig myself a hole by > buying something that won't work. > Cheers > geoff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 20 09:14:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3KDCUf29076; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 09:12:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 09:12:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 09:12:10 -0400 Subject: repeater for sale, mo-fx, filter factory as well From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1obXeB.A.AGH.rypo-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com contact todd@toddreynolds.com off list. -- Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 http://www.toddreynolds.com http://www.ethelcentral.com todd@toddreynolds.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 20 10:16:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3KEEho00957; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 10:14:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 10:14:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 10:13:05 -0400 From: Sempai Subject: Types of Music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006201c30746$f759aba0$75772544@user0jd9dje1rf> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_2AC4znmU5JNr4nsXA2DlnA)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_2AC4znmU5JNr4nsXA2DlnA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I have been lurking here for several months, learning as I go. I was just curious about the actual genre of looping music people compose on this list. Do you compose slow ambient, dance, guitar based, keyboard based? >From the links posted to various songs, it seems ambient is the majority. Also, not sure if my type of music is welcome here. I compose exclusively sampled based loop music. I do not perform, just compose. Much of the list (at least those who write regularly) seem to be more performance based. A lot of the discussion seems to focus on gear related issues. I'm interested in comments on the above. Sempai --Boundary_(ID_2AC4znmU5JNr4nsXA2DlnA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
I have been lurking here for several months, learning as I go.
I was just curious about the actual genre of looping music people
compose on this list.
 
Do you compose slow ambient, dance, guitar based, keyboard based?
From the links posted to various songs, it seems ambient is the majority.
 
Also, not sure if my type of music is welcome here.  I compose
exclusively sampled based loop music.  I do not perform, just compose.
Much of the list (at least those who write regularly) seem to be more
performance based.  A lot of the discussion seems to focus on gear
related issues.
 
I'm interested in comments on the above.
 
Sempai
--Boundary_(ID_2AC4znmU5JNr4nsXA2DlnA)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 20 11:05:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3KF4ut05923; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 11:04:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 11:04:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EA246C1.8AE@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 08:05:40 +0100 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Types of Music References: <006201c30746$f759aba0$75772544@user0jd9dje1rf> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I compose on my 6 or 12 string fretless basses.And,yes it's quite performance based with 95 % of things tending to happen in real time. I think of it as being inspired by progressive rock,Indian(American and East)Music,Middle Eastern Music and Meditation.It gets catagorised as Ambient,Space or New Age music. A recent review in Bassinside Magazine said it wasn't "New Age" music but something else entirely -"timeless and ancient" and a "window on another world."I really liked this because I felt the listener had heard what I have been attempting to express. I feel your music is very welcome here.One of the fascinating results of looping is blurring the lines between performance, composition, recording and sampling.And, I feel this happens in such a way that we can meet and learn from each other in ways that were just not possable without the current technologies we all gloat,laud,long for and scratch our heads over. PEACE Scott Kungha Drengsen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 20 11:12:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3KFBi106444; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 11:11:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 11:11:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: RE: Types of Music Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 17:12:55 +0200 Message-ID: <000a01c3074f$52e38880$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <006201c30746$f759aba0$75772544@user0jd9dje1rf> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Sempai, the group here (as I understand it) focuses on realtime loop music, i.e. where you record the loop during the performance and then include the loop in the performance (including any ways to modify the loop, starting with overdubs to total weirdness). Having said that, no, I don't think the focus in this group is on what you do, what I understand as using "prerecorded" loops and then implementing them into your compositions. Indeed, we had discussions about anything here which had nothing at all to do with real-time looping, so if you want to discuss this topic go ahead - but be warned, you might get more response when discussing the on a list for creative DJs. As for the genre - I am not under the impression that just because everybody here loops, we do all play the same genre (this would be like assuming that everybody who plays the piano or who uses reverb during mixdown of his recording engages in the same genre). I have run across a vast diversity of looped music among the works of the people on this list, including (but not limited to) hard dance, solo bass guitar, world music, vocal-based pieces, structured works, mood pieces, singer-songwriter-style songs, minimalistic electronica, hardcore, polyrhytmic percussion...and, yes, also slow ambient. Rainer (n.b.: this style diversity gets even more crazy when you check out projects where members of this list are involved which aren't solo-loop or ensemble-loop performances, but rather groups where one (or several) member(s) use loops...check out "Chiba City Blues" on http://eblah.iuma.com and find out what's looped and what is "played out"). Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de -----Original Message----- From: Sempai [mailto:sempai@comcast.net] Sent: Sonntag, 20. April 2003 16:13 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Types of Music I have been lurking here for several months, learning as I go. I was just curious about the actual genre of looping music people compose on this list. Do you compose slow ambient, dance, guitar based, keyboard based? >From the links posted to various songs, it seems ambient is the majority. Also, not sure if my type of music is welcome here. I compose exclusively sampled based loop music. I do not perform, just compose. Much of the list (at least those who write regularly) seem to be more performance based. A lot of the discussion seems to focus on gear related issues. I'm interested in comments on the above. Sempai From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 20 11:20:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3KFJlE07028; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 11:19:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 11:19:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EA2BABC.4080200@minds-eye.org> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 08:20:28 -0700 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Line6 Delay Mod Pro or DL4 expression pedals? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > 100k linear pot to a mono jack seems to work. > (the one I use doesn't have the full range, being one > of those old type mechanisms that doesn't turn the pot fully, > the measured range is 0 to 80k ) > but from the response I'm not sure a log pot wouldn't > be better. > ..so any old swell pedal might work. Just to clarify my previous message, I got this from the archives George Van Wagner of Line 6 wrote: http://www.loopersdelight.com/LDarchive/200002/msg00435.html Heelback 0++, toe down 10k++. that's the secret formula. Now you can modify your pedal to work, or buy one of ours and keep your vintage Boss pedal intact (actually, my Boss RV-100 measures just that). Don't tell the boss I told ya. As for my own experience, the $30 Proel pedals 'kind' of work. They changes things, just not predictably. Kevin -- How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 20 11:30:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3KFTM307687; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 11:29:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 11:29:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 16:32:13 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: RE: Line6 Delay Mod Pro or DL4 expression pedals? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20030419184815.00949d00@pop.earthlink.net> References: <04e525156221343PCOW053M@blueyonder.co.uk> <000201c306c3$a287e430$2f2f04d1@home> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: <0d8780429151443PCOW058M@blueyonder.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h3KFT7B07639 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks. I. At 01:48 20/04/03 , you wrote: >     I should have said, Yes, Yes, and no...   lol!   -You seem to >grasp it just fine...      -Have a great weekend!...   > >Smiles, > >Cara > >At 11:57 PM 4/19/03 +0100, you wrote: >>Hi, >> >>My looping has (so far) been limited to my DL4, I'm about to get the Delay >Pro >>as much for its extended number of programmes for the delays as for the >>looper. >>I know that it reduces the level of the previous loop by (is it 5%..) in >>overdub mode in order to take care of overloads. I don't quite understand >>though what "feedback amount" means when talked about on the list in relation >>to say the EDP. Is it to be able to be able to control the amount at which >the >>previous loop reduces in level when overdubbing? or is it about feeding back >>the loop into itself? (or something that I haven't yet understood?). >> >>Ian. >>At 23:33 19/04/03 , you wrote: >>>Well, the Line6 pedal is an expensive little piece of plastic- I mean, >>>it is ridiculously priced for the build quality. I found one for $20 on >>>Ebay, but was lucky. I also have an old passive no-name volume pedal >>>that works just fine with it. >>> >>>I think, in overdub mode, the feedback is something like 95%. I know >>>reducing the volume of the loop isn't the same, but it is a slight >>>workaround if you don't play a lot with an open loop. >>> >>>Dave Eichenberger >>><http://www.hazardfactor.com/>http://www.hazardfactor.com >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Right now, I'm noticing that when it's (the mod pro) in >>>> overdub (which >>>> it automatically goes into nicely) the feedback is >100% by some >>>> unknown amount.  (thanks Line6!) So that's good enough for me.  A >>>> minute of loop plus some delay on top of that is worth $199.  >>>> However, >>>> I want to set up the "mix" to be set by the expression >>>> pedal... and my >>>> Roland Expression pedal (the big one.. I forgot it's model number) >>>> isn't seemingly controlling it.  I haven't tried my Yamaha expression >>>> pedal yet. >>>> >>>> So, is there a reason to get line6's pedal?  Or am I doing something >>>> wrong when I set up the program?  Anyone have luck with the Roland >>>> pedal? >>>> >>>> Mark Sottilaro >>>> >>>> On Saturday, April 19, 2003, at 01:17 PM, future perfect wrote: >>>> >>>> > Well, one thing you can do is assign the 'mix' to the exp >>>> pedal, and >>>> > fade out the volume of the loop. Then once it is down >>>> completely, you >>>> > can shut it off. Or fade it back it, which normal feedback >>>> won't allow >>>> > you to do. >>>> > >>>> > Dave Eichenberger >>>> > <http://www.hazardfactor.com/>http://www.hazardfactor.com >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >> >>>> >> Easily work around it?  Waht do you mean? >>>> >> >>>> >> Mike >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> >>> >> >> >> > > >--- > >  "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. >-Then, anything is possible..."  > >http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > >Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe.  > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ba dfiction > >http://groups.yahoo.com/gro up/the-guitar-cafe > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 20 12:05:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3KG55B12694; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 12:05:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 12:05:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002a01c30756$615be4a0$71504ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <000a01c3074f$52e38880$0601a8c0@SATAN> Subject: Fruity Loops Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 17:03:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone else upgraded to Fruity Studio? I paid the $50 to upgrade to the 'producer' edition, and it's a great package - I'm using it both for sequencing/step-time looping and just as an audio recorder/mixer (as a replacement for Cubasis, just so I can have everything in one package and not have to keep switching...) I'm hoping they'll add support for non-real time VST plugins (ala Soundforge) in the wave edit window on the next update, but even without that, it's very handy... anyone else using it? Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk (gig details, news, MP3s etc.) www.stevelawson.net (the side-door) www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk (buy CDs) www.pmrecords.gemm.com (buy the same CDs) www.solobassnetwork.org.uk (other people making solo bass noises) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 20 12:11:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3KGANg13557; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 12:10:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 12:10:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007f01c30756$e873f040$3700a8c0@jono> From: "Jonathan Gage" To: Subject: seq24 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 02:07:12 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007C_01C307AA.B938AD80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 X-ISP: Darkscape Internet Services Inc Sun, 20 Apr 2003 06:10:09 -1000 Resent-Message-ID: <0y_2a.A.KTD.hZso-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007C_01C307AA.B938AD80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,=20 Not sure if it has been mentioned here yet.... but for those interested = in Linux, there is a fantastic MIDI looping application called "seq24", = i've been playing about with it for a few days and it is brilliant for = live loop sequencing.=20 Check it: http://www.filter24.org/seq24/ -Jonathan ------=_NextPart_000_007C_01C307AA.B938AD80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
 
Not sure if it has been mentioned here = yet.... but=20 for those interested in Linux, there is a fantastic MIDI looping = application=20 called "seq24", i've been playing about with it for a few days and it=20 is brilliant for live loop sequencing.
 
Check it: http://www.filter24.org/seq24/
 
-Jonathan
------=_NextPart_000_007C_01C307AA.B938AD80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 20 12:12:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3KGBUX14025; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 12:11:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 12:11:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 09:11:12 -0700 Subject: Expression pedals From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0d8780429151443PCOW058M@blueyonder.co.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com We need to put together a table mapping expression pedals to gear and indicating what works with what. The specs about resistances and tapers are very nice, but since this isn't always the easiest thing to learn about a pedal or an effect, it doesn't immediately answer the "does this work with that" question. I've got relatively limited experience so I don't have a lot of slots I can fill in. My personal experience: Works ----- EDP with Roland/Boss EV-5 but control is inverted Electrix FilterQueen with Roland/Boss EV-5 Korg DL8000R with Yamaha FC7 Does not work ------------- EDP with Yamaha FC7 (strange response curve) Korg DL8000R with Roland/Boss EV-5 Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 20 14:34:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3KIXsO26895; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 14:33:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 14:33:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 11:33:38 -0700 Subject: Re: Expression pedals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <9AADB36A-735E-11D7-8448-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <3VxDTD.A.AkG.Fguo-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, that's my experience exactly! I'll add to it that the EV-5 and the Yamaha FC7 do not work with the Line6 Echo Pro (which I'd imagine means they wouldn't work with the floor models either) Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, April 20, 2003, at 09:11 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > We need to put together a table mapping expression pedals to gear and > indicating what works with what. The specs about resistances and > tapers are > very nice, but since this isn't always the easiest thing to learn > about a > pedal or an effect, it doesn't immediately answer the "does this work > with > that" question. I've got relatively limited experience so I don't have > a lot > of slots I can fill in. My personal experience: > > Works > ----- > EDP with Roland/Boss EV-5 but control is inverted > Electrix FilterQueen with Roland/Boss EV-5 > Korg DL8000R with Yamaha FC7 > > Does not work > ------------- > EDP with Yamaha FC7 (strange response curve) > Korg DL8000R with Roland/Boss EV-5 > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 20 14:34:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3KIUvI26746; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 14:30:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 14:30:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 11:30:35 -0700 Subject: Re: Line6 Delay Mod Pro or DL4 expression pedals? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3EA22CAC.40003@minds-eye.org> Message-Id: <2D36917E-735E-11D7-8448-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, I'm definitely not seeing anything with my Roland or Yamaha pedals, so I'm not sure what's up. They look like standard pedals with a stereo jack. I guess I'll look into finding another that might work or going with the line6 pedal for $50. Mark On Saturday, April 19, 2003, at 10:14 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > I think that the rep from Line6 who was on the list when the DL4 came > out said that any pedal with a 10(k?) pot would work (hope I got that > right. I don't know much of anything about electronics, but I know > the 10 part is correct though). > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 20 14:43:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3KIgog27638; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 14:42:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 14:42:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 11:42:17 -0700 Subject: Re: Types of Music Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000a01c3074f$52e38880$0601a8c0@SATAN> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <_x0C_.A.dvG.Louo-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com While I think most of us are using "live" loopers to record what we're doing at the moment, I wouldn't say that what you're doing isn't just as valid. I sure do think the Repeater was designed to work either way with it's non volitle memory and 99 loop storage limit. (which is crazy considering how short the loops would be if you did 99 of them!) Anyway, welcome. I think diversity is important so I bet we could learn from each other. The only difference I make in my own mind is that there's something different between using a program like Cuebase to repeat samples and using a program like Live where you can manipulate the loops in real time. Both valid, but one I put in the "production" camp and the other I put in the "looping" camp. Just my own construct though. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, April 20, 2003, at 08:12 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Hey Sempai, > > the group here (as I understand it) focuses on realtime loop music, > i.e. > where you record the loop during the performance and then include the > loop > in the performance (including any ways to modify the loop, starting > with > overdubs to total weirdness). Having said that, no, I don't think the > focus > in this group is on what you do, what I understand as using > "prerecorded" > loops and then implementing them into your compositions. Indeed, we had > discussions about anything here which had nothing at all to do with > real-time looping, so if you want to discuss this topic go ahead - but > be > warned, you might get more response when discussing the on a list for > creative DJs. > > As for the genre - I am not under the impression that just because > everybody > here loops, we do all play the same genre (this would be like assuming > that > everybody who plays the piano or who uses reverb during mixdown of his > recording engages in the same genre). > > I have run across a vast diversity of looped music among the works of > the > people on this list, including (but not limited to) hard dance, solo > bass > guitar, world music, vocal-based pieces, structured works, mood pieces, > singer-songwriter-style songs, minimalistic electronica, hardcore, > polyrhytmic percussion...and, yes, also slow ambient. > > Rainer > > (n.b.: this style diversity gets even more crazy when you check out > projects > where members of this list are involved which aren't solo-loop or > ensemble-loop performances, but rather groups where one (or several) > member(s) use loops...check out "Chiba City Blues" on > http://eblah.iuma.com > and find out what's looped and what is "played out"). > > Rainer Straschill > Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de > The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de > digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de > Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de > -----Original Message----- > From: Sempai [mailto:sempai@comcast.net] > Sent: Sonntag, 20. April 2003 16:13 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Types of Music > > > I have been lurking here for several months, learning as I go. > I was just curious about the actual genre of looping music people > compose on this list. > > Do you compose slow ambient, dance, guitar based, keyboard based? > From the links posted to various songs, it seems ambient is the > majority. > > Also, not sure if my type of music is welcome here. I compose > exclusively sampled based loop music. I do not perform, just compose. > Much of the list (at least those who write regularly) seem to be more > performance based. A lot of the discussion seems to focus on gear > related issues. > > I'm interested in comments on the above. > > Sempai > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 20 14:46:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3KIkFt27982; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 14:46:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 14:46:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 11:45:54 -0700 Subject: Volume pedals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <5140C733-7360-11D7-8448-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <-opot.A.U0G.kruo-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All this talk about pedals made me want to interject this: My trusty Morley was behaving oddly lately. No longer linear at all. A quick opening and removal of a pound of rug lint and cat hair made it good as new. (it's all optical so it was just being blocked) No sending anywhere to be reconditioned for $40 or whatever the cost. I'm not saying you're trusty Ernie Ball pedals are bad, but I can't believe that Morley wouldn't be the hands down choice for it's simple and effective design. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 20 15:53:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3KJoPA02165; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 15:50:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 15:50:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030420195003.97485.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 12:50:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Types of Music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I blur the distinction even further sometimes because while I play live instruments into real-time loops, I also play short prepared loops off a couple of minidisc decks via volume pedals INTO real-time loops. It differs from playing over a prepared backing in that it's essentially impossible to do the same thing twice. The prepared loops are usually only a few seconds long and are mostly pads and beds; mellotron samples, old radio commercials, shruti drones, etc. that I've mangled in Acid and/or Sound Forge, but the loops that they end up in are manipulated in real time along with live instruments. I also put these sorts of prepared loops on microcassette which is then fed through a guitar pickup into the loopers... -t- --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > While I think most of us are using "live" loopers to > record what we're > doing at the moment, I wouldn't say that what you're > doing isn't just > as valid. I sure do think the Repeater was designed > to work either way > with it's non volitle memory and 99 loop storage > limit. (which is > crazy considering how short the loops would be if > you did 99 of them!) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! 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Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 20 16:54:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3KKrsj09369; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 16:53:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 16:53:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: repeater mathematics Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 22:54:53 +0200 Message-ID: <000401c3077f$17933430$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, > as valid. I sure do think the Repeater was designed to work > either way > with it's non volitle memory and 99 loop storage limit. (which is > crazy considering how short the loops would be if you did 99 of them!) Calculating with single-track loops (which is, after all, a thing most EDP/Jamperson users had been quite happy with over the years) and a 256MB card (which was the largest supported size the last time I checked), I get something like 30 seconds per loop. (The math going something like 44.1kHz, 16bit gives ~86kB/s, 256MB and 99 loop gives ~2.58MB/loop). Is that too short for you? Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 20 17:10:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3KL9gB12123; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 17:09:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 17:09:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030420210920.57382.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 14:09:20 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: EQ ot To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200304200030.h3K0UxG30392@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com SVG queried: > Question: > Will they (the Behringer 31 band EQ) destroy the otherwise pristine studio sound > that I currently have? Andy wrote back: >If it's pristine now then why fix it? >Graphic EQs are primarily for sorting out problems. >The cheaper units won't even have a pristine bypass. Sorry, I should have clarified what I'm looking for. My studio sound is pristine. The ceiling height (9'3") of the room emphasizes the frequency B an octave below middle C (61 Hz). Is a graphic EQ going to fix this easily without messing up the overall quality of the sound or am I better off with a parametric notch filter? And will that degrade the overall sound if I just use it to kill that particular room resonance? Of course having a usable EQ is a good thing for gigs, that would be a secondary benefit. My first priority is fixing this boomy resonance. $140 for a parametric is a lot cheaper than doing some sort of room baffle modification. Me again: > I have steered away from Behringer in the past mainly due to the lower > sonic quality of their mixers compared to Mackie. Andy again: > last time I checked Mackies had rough sounding pre-amps, > and I didn't like the EQ. > Has anyone actually AB'ed Behringer/Mackie properly? I have not A/B'd them properly, though my ear tells me that they are in vastly different worlds. Thanks for the help, Stephen __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 20 20:13:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3L0CS629220; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 20:12:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 20:12:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 01:15:36 +0100 Subject: Re: seq24 From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007f01c30756$e873f040$3700a8c0@jono> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3133732536_31425_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3133732536_31425_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I it possible to get a version of linux to work on a mac? so I could try some of the looping software mentioned? geoff on 20/4/03 5:07 pm, Jonathan Gage at chimera@darkscape.net wrote: Hi, Not sure if it has been mentioned here yet.... but for those interested in Linux, there is a fantastic MIDI looping application called "seq24", i've been playing about with it for a few days and it is brilliant for live loop sequencing. Check it: http://www.filter24.org/seq24/ -Jonathan --MS_Mac_OE_3133732536_31425_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: seq24 I it possible to get a version of linux to work on a mac?
so I could try some of the looping software mentioned?
geoff

on 20/4/03 5:07 pm, Jonathan Gage at chimera@darkscape.net wrote:

Hi,

Not sure if it has been mentioned here ye= t.... but for those interested in Linux, there is a fantastic MIDI looping a= pplication called "seq24", i've been playing about with it for a f= ew days and it is brilliant for live loop sequencing.

Check it: http://www.filter24.org/seq24/<= BR>
-Jonathan


--MS_Mac_OE_3133732536_31425_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 20 20:52:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3L0n8Q32015; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 20:49:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 20:49:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 20:39:39 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: repeater mathematics To: rs@moinlabs.de, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <007001c3079e$7e06ade0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000401c3077f$17933430$0601a8c0@SATAN> Resent-Message-ID: <7wdpB.A.SzH.h_zo-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ink mathmatics * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 20 21:39:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3L1Xp004134; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 21:33:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 21:33:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 18:33:15 -0700 Subject: Re: seq24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <3923BCBE-7399-11D7-8448-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There is a company that has ported a bunch of UNIX software (Gimp graphics editor for one) for Mac OSX and sold if for very reasonable amounts. I'm not sure what it would take to recompile software for OSX, but I' bet it's easier than to go from LINUX to regular Mac as OSX is already based on UNIX. I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing a lot of UNIX stuff available for OSX as the platform matures. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, April 20, 2003, at 05:15 PM, Geoff Smith wrote: > I it possible to get a version of linux to work on a mac? > so I could try some of the looping software mentioned? > geoff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 21 01:40:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3L5b0a28929; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 01:37:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 01:37:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030420221601.00b21978@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 22:36:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: Volume pedals In-Reply-To: <5140C733-7360-11D7-8448-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <2behG.A.VDH.jN4o-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, the Morley design is nice electronically - I've had one apart before. The Ernie Ball is just a passive device, but it is pretty tolerant of cat hair and carpet lint - even beer. You could probably load the guts of a Morley into an EB body and have a pretty dope pedal. Better yet, a hall effect sensor like Rane uses in its DJ mixers would be cool. -Hans At 11:45 20/04/2003, you wrote: >All this talk about pedals made me want to interject this: My trusty >Morley was behaving oddly lately. No longer linear at all. A quick >opening and removal of a pound of rug lint and cat hair made it good as >new. (it's all optical so it was just being blocked) No sending anywhere >to be reconditioned for $40 or whatever the cost. I'm not saying you're >trusty Ernie Ball pedals are bad, but I can't believe that Morley wouldn't >be the hands down choice for it's simple and effective design. > >Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 21 01:55:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3L5qV730289; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 01:52:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 01:52:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 22:50:39 -0700 Subject: Re: Volume pedals From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030420221601.00b21978@pop.charter.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-5G58.A.fYH.Ac4o-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i believe it is written in graffiti style on one of the hallowed hall walls at that ~morley pedals suck tone~. its an old tag but i think it still holds true. stan (ernieball volped true believer) > Mark, the Morley design is nice electronically - I've had one apart > before. The Ernie Ball is just a passive device, but it is pretty tolerant > of cat hair and carpet lint - even beer. You could probably load the guts > of a Morley into an EB body and have a pretty dope pedal. Better yet, a > hall effect sensor like Rane uses in its DJ mixers would be cool. > > -Hans > > > At 11:45 20/04/2003, you wrote: >> All this talk about pedals made me want to interject this: My trusty >> Morley was behaving oddly lately. No longer linear at all. A quick >> opening and removal of a pound of rug lint and cat hair made it good as >> new. (it's all optical so it was just being blocked) No sending anywhere >> to be reconditioned for $40 or whatever the cost. I'm not saying you're >> trusty Ernie Ball pedals are bad, but I can't believe that Morley wouldn't >> be the hands down choice for it's simple and effective design. >> >> Mark Sottilaro > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 21 02:09:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3L5wDg30919; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 01:58:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 01:58:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 22:55:24 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Volume pedals In-reply-to: <5.2.0.9.0.20030420221601.00b21978@pop.charter.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Right, any frictionless device that could be calibrated to a fairly high degree of tolerance would work. True, the Ernie Ball is passive, and built like a tank. But any pot subjected to that much abuse is going to go eventually. Here's my question: Why are they so expensive? Even the Morleys... they look to be about $5 dollars of sheet steel and some electronic components easily bought at RadioShack.... While I'm at it, why are MIDI controllers so expensive? Aside from the Behringer, they all seem very pricy compared to the things they're controlling. I know accessories are where retail makes it's money, but man oh man. At this point, you can literally buy a Digitech RP200 effects processor with a built in pedal for the same price as an Earnie Ball stereo effect pedal. Crazy. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, April 20, 2003, at 10:36 PM, armatronix wrote: > Mark, the Morley design is nice electronically - I've had one apart > before. The Ernie Ball is just a passive device, but it is pretty > tolerant of cat hair and carpet lint - even beer. You could probably > load the guts of a Morley into an EB body and have a pretty dope > pedal. Better yet, a hall effect sensor like Rane uses in its DJ > mixers would be cool. > > -Hans > > > At 11:45 20/04/2003, you wrote: >> All this talk about pedals made me want to interject this: My trusty >> Morley was behaving oddly lately. No longer linear at all. A quick >> opening and removal of a pound of rug lint and cat hair made it good >> as new. (it's all optical so it was just being blocked) No sending >> anywhere to be reconditioned for $40 or whatever the cost. I'm not >> saying you're trusty Ernie Ball pedals are bad, but I can't believe >> that Morley wouldn't be the hands down choice for it's simple and >> effective design. >> >> Mark Sottilaro > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 21 06:04:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3LA06D19706; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 06:00:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 06:00:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <12a.28210322.2bd51b0d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 05:59:41 EDT Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V03 #270 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > SoundFNR@aol.com (andy butler)wrote: > > > 100k linear pot to a mono jack seems to work. > > (the one I use doesn't have the full range, being one > > of those old type mechanisms that doesn't turn the pot fully, > > the measured range is 0 to 80k ) > > but from the response I'm not sure a log pot wouldn't > > be better. > > ..so any old swell pedal might work. > > > Just to clarify my previous message, I got this from the archives > > George Van Wagner of Line 6 wrote: > > http://www.loopersdelight.com/LDarchive/200002/msg00435.html > > Heelback 0++, toe down 10k++. that's the secret formula. Now you can > modify your pedal to work, or buy one of ours and keep your vintage Boss > pedal intact (actually, my Boss RV-100 measures just that). Don't tell > the boss I told ya. I stand corrected ;-) ...but 1) this formula doesn't tell you log or linear. 2) just done some experiments with a Filter Pro, some vol pedals and an ohmmeter. 0 to 10k won't give you the full range, you need 0 to about 16k. With the line6 Filter Modellers its very easy to tell if you have a full range if you use the pedal to control the pitch of the synth patches. I would have expected that all the line6 gear used the same pedal spec. and certainly that all the "pro" range would want exactly the same pedal. 3) Reversing the toe-up heel-down won't really matter, as the unit is programmable. 4) If you modify a vol/exp pedal, don't forget that sometimes the mechanism won't move the pot through it's full range. 5) the Boss FV-50L works perfectly . 6) a standard expression pedal isn't wired correctly, but you could put a mono jack on it and that should work. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 21 07:34:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3LBUMs26843; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 07:30:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 07:30:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EA3D7B8.83C37A70@usa.net> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 05:36:29 -0600 From: Lee Sebel Reply-To: synman@usa.net Organization: Cool Music Gear X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater mathematics References: <200304211004.h3LA4Y319895@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rainer included in his reply: <<>> Repeater supports 512MB. 256 was the largest available card when the thing was built but they had the foresight to build it for what was coming. I just picked up a Simpletech 512MB from MacZone with a $50 rebate, so my net cost before shipping was $75. Dunno if the deal is still available, but it is worth it for any Repeaters out there! -- Tonefully yours... Lee Sebel • Cool Music Gear You Can't Live Without • 888-487-2166 Representing Innovative Instruments of Impeccable Quality 2way Messaging : coolmusic@my2way.com >>> Give a listen to my original music <<< http://www.mp3.com/voltz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 21 07:35:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3LBWhD27032; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 07:32:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 07:32:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EA3D838.28A89A1B@usa.net> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 05:38:37 -0600 From: Lee Sebel Reply-To: synman@usa.net Organization: Cool Music Gear X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: seq24 References: <200304211004.h3LA4Y319895@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Geoff Smith asks: <<>> It's called OSX! A recent issue of MacAddict (and probably MacWorld as well) had an article on using Fink to install Linux programs into Mac OSX. Worth a shot. Lemme know if it works....might be a good reason to go ahead and upgrade. -- Tonefully yours... Lee Sebel • Cool Music Gear You Can't Live Without • 888-487-2166 Representing Innovative Instruments of Impeccable Quality 2way Messaging : coolmusic@my2way.com >>> Give a listen to my original music <<< http://www.mp3.com/voltz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 21 08:04:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3LC02U30633; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 08:00:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 08:00:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EA3DD2E.4986420A@pa.msu.edu> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 07:59:43 -0400 From: John McIntyre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Volume pedals References: <5140C733-7360-11D7-8448-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Sottilaro wrote: > I'm not > saying you're trusty Ernie Ball pedals are bad, but I can't believe > that Morley wouldn't be the hands down choice for it's simple and > effective design. Well, you do have to keep a spare lamp handy. My two complaints about Morley are 1)they are too wide, they eat up pedal board space like crazy, and 2) the jacks are side mounted which eats up more space; Mutron got it right: put the jacks on the front. John McIntyre (who owns a dozen Morley pedals anyway) Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 21 10:19:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3LEI6013581; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 10:18:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 10:18:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <12b.280df0d0.2bd17cd3@aol.com> References: <12b.280df0d0.2bd17cd3@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 09:17:28 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: tools (4-track tape recorder looper...) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com speaking of using your tools (as nemoguitar posted)- i played around w/ my tascam porta 05 4-track tape recorder as a looper this past weekend and actually recorded a couple of things to my fostex mr8. i basically had my whole rack setup feeding into the tascam, then the tascam headphones out into my fostex mr8. the great thing is it sounded pretty good. w/ the counter i could record a 20 sec tape loop, remove it from 'record' and go to play and the loop would play and i could play w/ it or add my other looping things to it. i would add use stuff from my dod d12 for other longish (up to 12 sec)loops and i even played w/ using my old digitech dsp256xl for that short 1.5 sec loop--those got real rhythmic. kind of fun. it sort of reminded me of the 2 classic loop things i remember reading from dt (interactive recording sessions w/ myself-a paraphrase) and rfripps comments about his "frippertonics" is the best way he knew of making a lot of noise (again a paraphrase), i certainly made a lot of noise w/ the 20 sec tape loop and all my other loop tools, and it all recorded to one track of my digital recorder. i then mixed down to my cd recorder, it'll just be a few weeks til i finish filling that cd up. so who knows, it's probably a lot of noise......my share for today.... s--- >its getting close to a month and i have not set up my (boomerang etc.).....im >still just playing thru my electrix mo-fx>filter factory>warp factory.....the >mo-fx has a 3300ms delay that you can loop, short yet sweet.....i had always >thought that these boxes were just ok but after living exclusively with them >for a bit i now find them very interesting.....i would be willing to play a >show with just my guit and these boxes, you can created some real mayhem with >them.....bottom line, if you have a bunch-o-boxes get to really learn >them.....its not easy, my soul is crying out for my lovely rang all the time >but it must wait.....soon i will have crazy things to feed my >rang.....remember, hunger is the best spice.....michael -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 21 10:44:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3LEhVr16368; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 10:43:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 10:43:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030421144254.829.qmail@web41005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 07:42:54 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: repeater mathematics To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200304211004.h3LA4Yv19894@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Marklar... > ...non volitle memory and 99 loop storage limit. (which is > crazy considering how short the loops would be if you did 99 of them!) Calculating with single-track loops (which is, after all, a thing most EDP/Jamperson users had been quite happy with over the years) and a 256MB card (which was the largest supported size the last time I checked), I get something like 30 seconds per loop. Rainer The last time I checked, Version 1.1 *always* supported a 512MB card. It's the one I bought and it works great (even in stereo). This of course gives about 99 one minute loops, almost enough to get the whiners complaining about not enough loop storage places. I currently have 25% of the card filled with random ideas, some of which I pull out and use in live settings. Other loops I use for guitar practice and keep them on the card. Stephen __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 21 11:57:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3LFrpE24614; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 11:53:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 11:53:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030421083445.014a7380@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 08:52:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: Volume pedals In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030420221601.00b21978@pop.charter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, one thing about Ernie Ball pedals is that they are made in the U.S.A., by workers who earn a living wage. The other thing is, they are built to last forever. The pots and strings wear out eventually, but they are completely renewable. Third, they are built with an extremely high quality specification which dictates a lot of careful handling. Look closely at all of the the beveled edges - they're done by hand with a file. Now, all of this is not necessary, but the boss believes that it was the right way to do things, and I tend to agree for the most part (even if it is somewhat over-engineered). When you figure in materials cost, machining, labor, and packaging, the Ball family is probably not making a lot of money (if any) off of a volume pedal. But they sell a lot of strings, so it enables them to make high-quality guitars and volume pedals for a reasonable price. Very soon, you will start seeing a smaller version of the EB volume pedal hit the shelves, which I personally re-engineered to save aluminum without sacrificing durability. It's smaller and somewhat less clunky, and much lighter, but essentially the same design. It's being made in Malaysia I believe, so I hope it will be significantly less expensive than the regular VP. -Hans At 22:55 20/04/2003, you wrote: >Right, any frictionless device that could be calibrated to a fairly high >degree of tolerance would work. True, the Ernie Ball is passive, and >built like a tank. But any pot subjected to that much abuse is going to >go eventually. > >Here's my question: Why are they so expensive? Even the Morleys... they >look to be about $5 dollars of sheet steel and some electronic components >easily bought at RadioShack.... While I'm at it, why are MIDI controllers >so expensive? Aside from the Behringer, they all seem very pricy compared >to the things they're controlling. I know accessories are where retail >makes it's money, but man oh man. At this point, you can literally buy a >Digitech RP200 effects processor with a built in pedal for the same price >as an Earnie Ball stereo effect pedal. Crazy. > >Mark Sottilaro > >On Sunday, April 20, 2003, at 10:36 PM, armatronix wrote: > >>Mark, the Morley design is nice electronically - I've had one apart >>before. The Ernie Ball is just a passive device, but it is pretty >>tolerant of cat hair and carpet lint - even beer. You could probably >>load the guts of a Morley into an EB body and have a pretty dope >>pedal. Better yet, a hall effect sensor like Rane uses in its DJ mixers >>would be cool. >> >>-Hans >> >> >>At 11:45 20/04/2003, you wrote: >>>All this talk about pedals made me want to interject this: My trusty >>>Morley was behaving oddly lately. No longer linear at all. A quick >>>opening and removal of a pound of rug lint and cat hair made it good as >>>new. (it's all optical so it was just being blocked) No sending >>>anywhere to be reconditioned for $40 or whatever the cost. I'm not >>>saying you're trusty Ernie Ball pedals are bad, but I can't believe that >>>Morley wouldn't be the hands down choice for it's simple and effective design. >>> >>>Mark Sottilaro >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 21 12:13:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3LGCP927809; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:12:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:12:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:07:16 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Volume pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <02bd01c30820$13fc8dc0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030420221601.00b21978@pop.charter.net> <5.2.0.9.0.20030421083445.014a7380@pop.charter.net> Resent-Message-ID: <8hWtvB.A.cxG.GhBp-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "armatronix" > Well, one thing about Ernie Ball pedals is that they are made in the > U.S.A., by workers who earn a living wage. The other thing is, they are > built to last forever. The pots and strings wear out eventually, but they > are completely renewable. Third, they are built with an extremely high > quality specification which dictates a lot of careful handling. Look > closely at all of the the beveled edges - they're done by hand with a > file. Now, all of this is not necessary, but the boss believes that it was > the right way to do things, and I tend to agree for the most part (even if > it is somewhat over-engineered). When you figure in materials cost, > machining, labor, and packaging, the Ball family is probably not making a > lot of money (if any) off of a volume pedal. But they sell a lot of > strings, so it enables them to make high-quality guitars and volume pedals > for a reasonable price. The last one I had had a scratchy pot after about 8 months of use. What a POS. No amount of tuner lube could clean it up because there was no way to spray it into the pot. I now own a Morley volume pedal. I'd rather not depend on crap for critical applications. > Very soon, you will start seeing a smaller version of the EB volume pedal > hit the shelves, which I personally re-engineered to save aluminum without > sacrificing durability. It's smaller and somewhat less clunky, and much > lighter, but essentially the same design. It's being made in Malaysia I > believe, so I hope it will be significantly less expensive than the regular VP. Yep. Screw those American workers. Something to be damm proud of. * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 21 12:13:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3LGBr727751; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:11:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:11:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 09:11:09 -0700 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V03 #270 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <12a.28210322.2bd51b0d@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, April 21, 2003, at 02:59 AM, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > 6) a standard expression pedal isn't wired correctly, but you could > put a mono jack on it and that should work. Thanks for the tip! I will try that later, as my Roland pedal has a stereo jack and that could be my issue. Mark Sottliaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 21 12:45:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3LGiwb32492; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:44:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:44:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003b01c30825$86bab120$cc9aa044@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030420221601.00b21978@pop.charter.net> <5.2.0.9.0.20030421083445.014a7380@pop.charter.net> <02bd01c30820$13fc8dc0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Subject: Re: Volume pedals Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:46:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop015.verizon.net from [68.160.154.204] at Mon, 21 Apr 2003 11:44:15 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've had the SAME Morley volume pedal since 1985. I think they called it a "Black Gold". It has a 35db vol-boost button so you can solo at (don's cod-cockney accent) "11". One cleaning. Works great!!! I tried an Ernie Ball because it didn't need a power supply. After three weeks the Ernie Ball pedal was making scratching noises and so it's been unused since then. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 21 12:51:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3LGpFY00924; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:51:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:51:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030421094151.014a8f88@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 09:50:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: Volume pedals In-Reply-To: <02bd01c30820$13fc8dc0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030420221601.00b21978@pop.charter.net> <5.2.0.9.0.20030421083445.014a7380@pop.charter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <94sd-D.A.uM.hFCp-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not proud of that at all, but those are not my decisions to make. I designed it with the belief that it would be made right here in SLO. Hopefully we will at least be able to get hard-working Americans like Mark the quality gear they need without breaking the bank. From what I've seen, they do a pretty good job over there. They might even be better than ours. Have a nice day, -Hans > > Very soon, you will start seeing a smaller version of the EB volume pedal > > hit the shelves, which I personally re-engineered to save aluminum without > > sacrificing durability. It's smaller and somewhat less clunky, and much > > lighter, but essentially the same design. It's being made in Malaysia I > > believe, so I hope it will be significantly less expensive than the >regular VP. > >Yep. Screw those American workers. Something to be damm proud of. > > >* David Beardsley >* microtonal guitar >* http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 21 12:54:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3LGrX601363; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:53:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:53:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c30826$74464e90$bf08fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030420221601.00b21978@pop.charter.net> <5.2.0.9.0.20030421083445.014a7380@pop.charter.net> <02bd01c30820$13fc8dc0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Subject: Re: Volume pedals Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 10:52:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <0CwbR.A.bU.sHCp-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sometimes you get a lemon. It happens. I have used my Ernie Ball VP for every gig I have played for the last two and a half years and it works fine. The only bummer about a passive volume pedal is that there seems to be a low frequency roll-off as you decrease the volume. Not good for bass players. I have heard that the Visual Volume volume pedal from Visual Audio, which is passive and no longer in production, solves the bass roll-off problem somehow. It takes a nine volt battery to power a strip of LEDs up the side of the pedal which indicate the pedal position, so you can quantify your pedal position, rather than "earball" it, as I like to say. The audio circuitry, though, is passive. You can still find them on Ebay once in a while. They go for about $100. Alain Caron and Anthony Jackson (bass players) both used these pedals last time I checked. Yeah, it's a bummer the new EB volume pedals are going to be made in Malaysia, but I'm glad that the one I bought helped support American families. I probably would have been less grumpy about paying so much for it, if I knew that when I bought it. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Beardsley" To: Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 10:07 AM Subject: Re: Volume pedals > > The last one I had had a scratchy pot after about 8 months of > use. What a POS. No amount of tuner lube could clean it up > because there was no way to spray it into the pot. > > I now own a Morley volume pedal. I'd rather not depend on crap > for critical applications. > > Yep. Screw those American workers. Something to be damm proud of. > > * David Beardsley > * microtonal guitar > * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 21 13:00:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3LGxDW03272; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:59:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:59:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:58:31 -0400 From: Paulzric@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Volume pedals MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3BFAE5A3.5DA61588.007D6382@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com my morely string is so taut that it keeps my EDP feedback level at around 66. I have been looking at the Boss pedal as suggested on the loopers site. any one know how to loosen that yellow string underneath that tank of a pedal? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 21 13:00:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3LGxHf03276; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:59:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:59:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:58:33 -0400 From: Paulzric@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Volume pedals MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1AE7CC10.12061FF1.007D6382@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com my morely string is so taut that it keeps my EDP feedback level at around 66. I have been looking at the Boss pedal as suggested on the loopers site. any one know how to loosen that yellow string underneath that tank of a pedal? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 21 13:06:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3LG4qO27141; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:04:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:04:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 09:04:16 -0700 Subject: Line6 Delay Mod Pro clearance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000201c306c3$a287e430$2f2f04d1@home> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So, I just wanted to alert ya'll to what might be the end of an imperfect but cool tool for looping. I know that the Studio Mod Pro's have been discontinued for a while and selling for $299, which is a pretty good deal on it's own. Well, I was thinking about the DL4 for ambient guitar shows where sync isn't an issue, and I found out that Guitar Center had the Delay Mod Pro (rack version with extra features and a minute of loop time) for $199! They only had a single one left (their computer "said" they had 2 left but you know how that goes) so I nabbed it (in the Concord, CA store) I suggest you look into one of these at your local music shop... Here's my take on it... At first I thought lack of feedback was going to be a deal breaker, but not so. The feedback is less than 100% when in overdub (loop mode) so you get a nice gentle fade out as you're adding. Since my plan was to do soundscape work, this seemed to work perfectly. Would this be a *great* tool if it had feedback control, you bet. Stupid omission IMO. If it can go from 100% to something like 90%, why can't it be variable? Don't even get me started with the lack of MIDI sync of the loop function, but I guess that's hard to do, so for this price I can forgive. (but not at it's original price) Next was the sound quality. Seemed good to me. I used my Johnson JT50 with it in it's effect loop, a KAOSS pad before it and a AirFX behind it. All velcroed together on a small keyboard stand. (5-10 min setup) I almost sold the JT50 at one point, but I closed the auction when it looked like no one was going to bid on it. I'm glad I did. It's direct outs sound a bit brittle, but through it's speaker it was really great... but I digress. As in the DL4, there's a lot to love about this box. I would have liked all the delay times to be a bit higher though. I didn't know that you got a simple 2.5 sec of delay AND a minute loop at the same time. Very sweet. What it is missing is a jack to put an FS300 pedal to control record, play and tap tempo. Dumb. It's got an expression pedal jack which I can't seem to get to work with my Roland EV7 although I read a review that said it worked with an EV5, so I'm not sure what gives. Maybe I'm doing something wrong. The manual says, "put the pedal heal down set up your effect, put it tow down and set it up again then use the pedal to go between your two sounds" Am I missing something? When I get this working it will open it up a lot I bet. My goal is to use the Delay Pro as a looper until I can scare up enough for an Echoplex. (damn that IRS) Then use the Delay pro synced to it's MIDI out. I'm crossing my fingers. I wish I knew what factor makes the sync work or not. Some say it won't, some say it will. Wish me luck. Until then, I'm digging it's looper. It's so simple. In a way that's it's strength. Not too much to screw with, but you can just focus on what you're playing. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 21 13:32:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3LHSdL06322; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 13:28:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 13:28:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.113.246.88] X-Originating-Email: [jdwinger@hotmail.com] From: "James Winger" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Volume pedals Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 11:27:23 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Apr 2003 17:27:24.0080 (UTC) FILETIME=[45995B00:01C3082B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I really like the feel of my EB, for me that's what makes the diff (had morelys, dunlops, etc) probably just personal taste, but it feels like a well desinged brake pedal, I know how it's going to react so it's just more comfortable and feels more controllable good user interface BTW - I like it bricky _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 21 13:35:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3LHWBH07041; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 13:32:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 13:32:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 10:31:39 -0700 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V03 #270 From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <12a.28210322.2bd51b0d@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 4/21/03 2:59 AM, SoundFNR@aol.com at SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > 5) the Boss FV-50L works perfectly . So, we should add to the expression pedal list: Line 6 + Boss FV-50L works Or is this only known for the pro modelers? Or only known for the pro filter modeler? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 21 14:57:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3LIs8g19543; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 14:54:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 14:54:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030421185324.55865.qmail@web40310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 11:53:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: recording setup? (ot) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3BFAE5A3.5DA61588.007D6382@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i figured that this would be the place to start... i am putting together a project studio and i was curious what people on this list thought of going with a G4 and digi001 or if i should take the plunge with a caroline system? thanks, evan __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 21 15:07:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3LJ6Tl22309; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 15:06:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 15:06:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030421185324.55865.qmail@web40310.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030421185324.55865.qmail@web40310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:06:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: recording setup? (ot) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:53 AM -0700 4/21/03, Evan Meyers wrote: >i am putting together a project studio and i was >curious what people on this list thought of going with >a G4 and digi001 or if i should take the plunge with a >caroline system? What's a Caroline system? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 21 15:28:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3LJP9N24248; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 15:25:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 15:25:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030421132151.007a7470@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 13:21:51 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Volume pedals In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com *laughing* -Am I the only one who doesn't give a load of dingo's kidneys what type of volume pedal I use?! -as long as it sounds good! lol! I have a stereo EB, -borrowed a Morely wah/volume from Dre when I was last out in Cali, -have a roland FV-60, and don't even use a straight volume pedal most of the time, as I use midi controllers alot. lol! They all work and sound fine. -just my thoughts of course... lol! Smiles, Cara At 11:27 AM 4/21/03 -0600, you wrote: > >I really like the feel of my EB, for me that's what makes the diff (had >morelys, dunlops, etc) > >probably just personal taste, but it feels like a well desinged brake pedal, >I know how it's going to react so it's just more comfortable and feels more >controllable > >good user interface > >BTW - I like it bricky > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 21 15:34:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3LJVJC25034; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 15:31:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 15:31:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030421193038.89956.qmail@web40301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:30:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: recording setup? (ot) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > What's a Caroline system? > -- forgive me...carrillon (?) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 21 16:17:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3LKGJ131213; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 16:16:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 16:16:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030421193038.89956.qmail@web40301.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030421193038.89956.qmail@web40301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 13:11:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: recording setup? (ot) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:30 PM -0700 4/21/03, Evan Meyers wrote: >forgive me...carrillon (?) Carillon systems are PC-only, so if you're happy working with a Windows PC then it's probably a good choice. By purchasing a system designed for audio you avoid the uncertainties that sometimes arise from the lack of hardware standardization in the PC world. Many system options are offered by Carillon, but if you chose to go with a Macintosh you'd have just as many choices without paying a premium for the package integration. Wave Digital offers a similar system optimization service using Macs . In fact Wave Digital and Carillon USA are under the same roof in Ringwood, NJ. It's probably best to avoid the Mac-vs-PC debate. You can put together an excellent system based on either platform. However, there can be performance differences between equivalent configurations on both platforms (neither side seems to be consistently better or worse - it varies from one program to the next). For me part of the dilemma comes down to plug-in support. Some plug-ins simply are limited to Pro Tools, either TDM or RTAS. As far as audio hardware goes, at the lower end there are significant latency differences between (for instance) a Digi 001 and an RME interface. My recommendation is typically to decide what software you like and then pick the hardware platform and configuration that seems to support it best. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 21 16:23:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3LKLWT32033; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 16:21:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 16:21:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.113.246.88] X-Originating-Email: [jdwinger@hotmail.com] From: "James Winger" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Volume pedals Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 14:20:58 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Apr 2003 20:20:58.0620 (UTC) FILETIME=[85260BC0:01C30843] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah, it's definitely a personal taste thing I mean, for selection switches and such, as long as they are durable and relatively positive (ie you know when you stepped on it) I don't care. The thing about the "feel" of some pdeals that bothers me is that the rate doesn't feel smooth (to me), so like riding the attack on a pedal steel is harder for me with some pedals than with others. I have that problem with the X-15 midi controller, OK for setting parameters on the fly that don't require one to ride a "sweet spot" From: Goddess Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Volume pedals Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 13:21:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from mc8-f10.law1.hotmail.com ([65.54.253.146]) by mc8-s17.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:25:36 -0700 Received: from hemlock.violacea.com ([207.228.238.9]) by mc8-f10.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:24:50 -0700 Received: (from looper@localhost)by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3LJOIq24119;Mon, 21 Apr 2003 15:24:18 -0400 X-Message-Info: U2wzkPk8/jY+2Rb9QfHMIlJ42TgmT9Zi Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 15:24:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030421132151.007a7470@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Return-Path: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Apr 2003 19:24:50.0789 (UTC) FILETIME=[ADC3D150:01C3083B] *laughing* -Am I the only one who doesn't give a load of dingo's kidneys what type of volume pedal I use?! -as long as it sounds good! lol! I have a stereo EB, -borrowed a Morely wah/volume from Dre when I was last out in Cali, -have a roland FV-60, and don't even use a straight volume pedal most of the time, as I use midi controllers alot. lol! They all work and sound fine. -just my thoughts of course... lol! Smiles, Cara At 11:27 AM 4/21/03 -0600, you wrote: > >I really like the feel of my EB, for me that's what makes the diff (had >morelys, dunlops, etc) > >probably just personal taste, but it feels like a well desinged brake pedal, >I know how it's going to react so it's just more comfortable and feels more >controllable > >good user interface > >BTW - I like it bricky > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe h, it's definitely a personal tase thing I'm with you for most pedal _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 21 17:09:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3LL8lT06051; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 17:08:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 17:08:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EA45DB3.3C09881C@cloud9.net> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 17:08:03 -0400 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater mathematics References: <200304212017.h3LKHsx31510@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-AntiVirus: checked by Vexira MailArmor (version: 2.0.1.7; VAE: 6.19.0.3; VDF: 6.19.0.8; host: english-breakfast.cloud9.net) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h3LL8EB05804 Resent-Message-ID: <0Tepa.A.7aB._2Fp-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just checked out the 512MB card at MacZone. They advertise a cost after $30 rebate of $95. Has this changed? Thanks, Elby > > Subject: Re: Repeater mathematics > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 05:36:29 -0600 > From: Lee Sebel > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Rainer included in his reply: > > << most > EDP/Jamperson users had been quite happy with over the years) and a > 256MB > card (which was the largest supported size the last time I checked)>>> > > Repeater supports 512MB. 256 was the largest available card when the > thing was built > but they had the foresight to build it for what was coming. > > I just picked up a Simpletech 512MB from MacZone with a $50 rebate, so > my net cost > before shipping was $75. Dunno if the deal is still available, but it > is worth it for any > Repeaters out there! > > -- > Tonefully yours... > > Lee Sebel • Cool Music Gear You Can't Live Without • 888-487-2166 > Representing Innovative Instruments of Impeccable Quality > 2way Messaging : coolmusic@my2way.com > > >>> Give a listen to my original music <<< > http://www.mp3.com/voltz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 21 17:17:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3LLFsp07152; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 17:15:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 17:15:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014001c3087d$41d2bcd0$d1f29840@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <1AE7CC10.12061FF1.007D6382@aol.com> Subject: Re: Volume pedals Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 04:14:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <9WT4WD.A.CvB.o9Fp-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "my morely string is so taut..." i didn't think morley used a string for their pedals...however, the EB employs a yellow (kevlar?) string. if you go taking it apart, make sure you write down how it's wound...easy to restring it backwards. it's a bitch repairing/modding the EB, but you'll get the hang of it. by the way, i successfully modded two of my EB 6166 pedals for use as controller with my all access. apparently, a 100k linear taper pot is just fine for the all access. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 21 18:38:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3LMbGR17599; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 18:37:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 18:37:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008f01c30856$713defc0$0100a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <20030421193038.89956.qmail@web40301.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: recording setup? (ot) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 23:36:19 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 21:11:PM Subject: Re: recording setup? (ot) > At 12:30 PM -0700 4/21/03, Evan Meyers wrote: > > >forgive me...carrillon (?) > > Carillon systems are PC-only, so if you're happy working with a > Windows PC then it's probably a good choice. By purchasing a system > designed for audio you avoid the uncertainties that sometimes arise > from the lack of hardware standardization in the PC world. Many > system options are offered by Carillon, but if you chose to go with a > Macintosh you'd have just as many choices without paying a premium > for the package integration. Wave Digital offers a similar system > optimization service using Macs . In > fact Wave Digital and Carillon USA are under the same roof in > Ringwood, NJ. "lack of hardware standardization in the PC world"? I'm afraid this must be substantiated with more than a flip comment. Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Other - Quasi-daily Cartoon http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 21 21:49:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3M1jt909193; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 21:45:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 21:45:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <008f01c30856$713defc0$0100a8c0@eluk> References: <20030421193038.89956.qmail@web40301.mail.yahoo.com> <008f01c30856$713defc0$0100a8c0@eluk> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 18:42:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: recording setup? (ot) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:36 PM +0100 4/21/03, Steve Goodman wrote: >"lack of hardware standardization in the PC world"? I'm afraid this must be >substantiated with more than a flip comment. Really? I thought it was generally accepted that PC hardware can be a crapshoot. PCs and PC boards and peripherals are made by a wide variety of manufacturers and there IS a lot of shoddy merchandise out there. Since I don't use PCs myself I can only rely on the many complaints I've heard from friends who do use PCs (and who are careful to check out specific compatibility issues with different mother boards, video cards, etc.), from friends who are computer music consultants, from tech support acquaintances, and from computer music retailers. The general consensus among these people is that you have to be well informed about the specific items you are trying to assemble into a system. As for myself, the majority of my PC hardware experiences have been frustrating (PCI boards not fitting, components coming unplugged in transit, etc.). I haven't had these sorts of problems with Macs because 1) most of the major hardware is made by Apple and 2) Apple is traditionally pretty strict when it comes to specs. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 21 22:16:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3M2C6I13291; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 22:12:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 22:12:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 19:18:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Re: Volume pedals Resent-Message-ID: <0yVeED.A.YOD.YTKp-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can't believe people dog the Ernie Ball volume pedal on this site. They are a very robust, and smooth feeling and sounding volume pedal with a great lifetime warranty rebuild feature. EB's use potentiometers, which are being supplied by another manufacturer. Sometimes you get bad ones, Shit happens. Sometimes, and this is very true of the pots on your guitar amp, people leave their volume pedals in a fixed position for an extended period of time, which can cause scratchiness. Yes its true, pots on eb pedals are sealed, but you can do what is recommended for tube amp pots, and that is to periodically turn them several dozen times back and forth over the full range of the pot. This can really help clean up a dirty pot that still has life in it, but you have to be patient and do it several times. Hey Hans, when are those new pedals available? Bill Walker chillb@cruzio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 21 22:31:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3M2Smj15406; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 22:28:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 22:28:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030421191657.014ba390@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 19:28:16 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: Volume pedals In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <381nxC.A.RwD.MjKp-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It will probably be a few months, but I don't really know. I just designed it - somebody else is handling the dirty work. Hopefully it's a good design (and build), and people won't have problems with it. -Hans At 19:18 21/04/2003, Bill wrote: >I can't believe people dog the Ernie Ball volume pedal on this site. They >are a very robust, and smooth feeling and sounding volume pedal with a >great lifetime warranty rebuild feature. EB's use potentiometers, which >are being supplied by another manufacturer. Sometimes you get bad ones, >Shit happens. Sometimes, and this is very true of the pots on your guitar >amp, people leave their volume pedals in a fixed position for an extended >period of time, which can cause scratchiness. Yes its true, pots on eb >pedals are sealed, but you can do what is recommended for tube amp pots, >and that is to periodically turn them several dozen times back and forth >over the full range of the pot. This can really help clean up a dirty pot >that still has life in it, but you have to be patient and do it several >times. > >Hey Hans, when are those new pedals available? > >Bill Walker >chillb@cruzio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 00:31:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3M4TvK00683; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 00:29:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 00:29:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 21:29:33 -0700 Subject: Re: Line6 Delay Mod Pro clearance From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The brochure from Guitar Center says they've got a DG-Stomp for $49.99 in San Jose. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 03:44:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3M7eSI20482; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 03:40:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 03:40:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <9f.372dddca.2bd64bcd@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 03:39:57 EDT Subject: Re: What pedals work To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 21/04/03 21:18:25 GMT Daylight Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > > 5) the Boss FV-50L works perfectly . > > So, we should add to the expression pedal list: > > Line 6 + Boss FV-50L works > > Or is this only known for the pro modelers? Or only known for the pro filter > modeler? You can add that the Zoom FP 02 will substitute for a Yamaha FV7 (?). ..and that neither of these pedals work with anything else. Bespeco VM 18-L is a standard expression pedal (Vortex etc.) Is anyone actually compiling this info though? andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 04:05:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3M81Qg23101; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 04:01:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 04:01:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030422080102.59619.qmail@web21502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 01:01:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Boss DD6 Warp Effect - Swooshing Taking off Effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9f.372dddca.2bd64bcd@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can anybody explain what the warp function is like on a Boss DD6? One thing I liked about my DL4 was the ability to put the mix on 100% Effect and tweak the delay time for that swooshing taking off sound. I can't seem to do that with my Echo Pro or my Headrush and I am searching for a small delay to achieve this. Damn the day I used that on one of my bands songs - now something is missing :) Anybody have some suggestions? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 06:53:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MAo3H05446; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 06:50:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 06:50:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008501c308bc$d63865c0$0100a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <20030421193038.89956.qmail@web40301.mail.yahoo.com> <008f01c30856$713defc0$0100a8c0@eluk> Subject: Re: recording setup? (ot) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:26:02 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 02:42:AM Subject: Re: recording setup? (ot) > At 11:36 PM +0100 4/21/03, Steve Goodman wrote: > > >"lack of hardware standardization in the PC world"? I'm afraid this must be > >substantiated with more than a flip comment. > > Really? I thought it was generally accepted that PC hardware can be > a crapshoot. PCs and PC boards and peripherals are made by a wide > variety of manufacturers and there IS a lot of shoddy merchandise out > there. The reason PCs, boards, and peripherals are made by a wide variety of manufacturers is that, unlike Apple, IBM didn't sue the pants off of everyone who developed hardware and software for the platform without their blessing/payoff. There was a specification for all sorts of peripherals that was published to potential hardware and software manufacturers in 1980, which except in some bizarre cases has been adhered to. In terms of "bizarre" I refer to cards mainly, which existed before computers (well, PCs actually) broke the 1MB barrier: video cards with "enhancements" that required software to function at all; memory cards with extended and expanded memory add-ons that required interesting drivers. Not a lot of that really, with the only full-on confusion existing with respect to memory standards in the pre-1MB+ world - Lotus/Intel/Microsoft had one way of dealing with expanded/extended memory, and there was another 'standard' supported by three other companies, of which Ashton-Tate was one (I worked there and I've only had one cuppa joe so far this morning). When Windows 95 came along, the new architecture from Intel had already been developed, making the 1MB problem a thing of the past for good; and, in addition, the bizarre and antique hardware one could plod along with was now no longer useable, period. This last cleaned out the platform as far as I'm concerned, and it was both necessary and good standards-enforcement. The only occurrances of what one could call "shoddy merchandise" have come from (surprise!) Asia, but even these, based upon already tried-and-proven technology, were able to emerge from the goo before the big crash of '98 wiped out the little guys in the area. I've been quite pleasantly surprised by the hardware coming out of the Orient since '98 actually, especially memory, which you might think would just be the crap - but as a result of being able to produce a reliable and cheaper product, and forcing the major vendors like Kingston to lower their prices - resulting in a world-wide reduction of not just memory but all the peripherals that use it have been reduced in price, whether they were produced in Asia or not. I don't think I need to expand on the benefits there, as we've all experienced them inside and out of computers. In terms of hardware conflicts that have occurred recently, and persist, the only one I can think of is the infamous "VIA chipset vs. Creative SBLive crackling problem", which has been resolved by BIOS updates from VIA. Creative still hasn't ever talked about what exactly made it happen beyond the occasional comment about interrupt conflict in newsgroups. But even that one's history as far as I can see. > Since I don't use PCs myself I can only rely on the many complaints > I've heard from friends who do use PCs (and who are careful to check > out specific compatibility issues with different mother boards, video > cards, etc.), from friends who are computer music consultants, from > tech support acquaintances, and from computer music retailers. The > general consensus among these people is that you have to be well > informed about the specific items you are trying to assemble into a > system. One should be informed about anything that money gets spent on, especially if it's your money. I can easily say as a result of years of assembly, implementations, rollouts and diagnosis/troubleshooting/support, that all of the problems such as described above were the result of bad implementation by someone who wanted to be thought of as a "PC expert" but lacked any kind of technical know-how whatsoever. I found myself as a result of professional osmosis (and all of the above effects, I suppose) being appointed MIS Director at Jobete Music Co. by 1996. At this stage I realized that the role of Troubleshooter-Installer is going away, thanks to more stupid-proof and less-flaky software installs (though I still have some vendors on my "bad list", Symantec amongst them). Things aren't as behind technically in the UK as they like to strangely boast about here - the same level of hardware/software exists here, and despite the interference of BT's monopoly (though nobody dares call it that), DSL is being implemented gradually. The main difference here from the US seems to be that proprietary software - much of it developed in the UK, and apparently only used here as well - is utilized a lot, and not only for its obvious use. It's also a great way to keep those awful foreigners from stealing jobs from blah blah etc. But it works, for them anyway. > As for myself, the majority of my PC hardware experiences have been > frustrating (PCI boards not fitting, components coming unplugged in > transit, etc.). I haven't had these sorts of problems with Macs > because 1) most of the major hardware is made by Apple and 2) Apple > is traditionally pretty strict when it comes to specs. You forgot their legal department's actions against potentially-competing manufacturers, but I'll let it go. :) I can't account for people not being able to use the screw to fasten the PCI card to the chassis, much less making sure that the card is seated correctly. I think perhaps that cards are the only 'scary' bit for users of PCs nowadays. The rest is pretty much well, plug in, install the software, and go. Of course once again, if the person who sets the PC up in the first place doesn't know what they're doing, it's most likely the crap shoot you describe. I don't mean to seem absolutist in this regard, but it's been my experience in a fusillade of consulting visits since 1995. I should say that, when I got to Ashton-Tate in 1984, having developed a reputation in terms of UI programming in dBASE (remember that one?), I had for the most part finessed my way through every hardware install I'd ever done. I got pulled aside by another new employee who taught me that if I didn't know what the hardware was doing, I'd better give it up - so I got taught gestalt hardware from the ground up, and haven't lost that appreciation. But then I learned to balance the idea of wanting to get the job done as quickly as possible, with the idea of making sure it's right and that you don't have to go back. Let's face it, I don't think of the IT sector as an Employment Medium. :) Of course the New Platform is always coming. I was asked on my last consultation (that's all I can get here, thanks to protectionism) "when will I stop having to upgrade my hardware?" My answer remains, "When it's all running with fibre instead of copper." I think that, at that point, a number of manufacturers may try to prevent it from happening just for the purpose of continuing existence - but eventually it'll level out, and those of us around now will be pleased as hell. I'm equally sure that folks who aren't around now will be wondering why it's so slow -- Perhaps we should keep a few 4.77MHz IBM PCs with 256KB, two floppies, no hard drive, and a monochrome monitor, to keep perspective alive... :) I suppose you can guess what my greatest glee is about all of this: There's not a damned thing the RIAA or MPAA can do about it. Better and better recording/processing tools are available all the time, to paraphrase Das Beatles. Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Other - Quasi-daily Cartoon http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 07:35:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MBW3f09478; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 07:32:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 07:32:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-13.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1051011086!27721 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAEF1@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Line6 Delay Mod Pro or DL4 expression pedals? Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:21:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C308C1.5B2BBFD0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C308C1.5B2BBFD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>Yeah, I'm definitely not seeing anything with my Roland or Yamaha=20 pedals, so I'm not sure what's up. They look like standard pedals with=20 a stereo jack. I guess I'll look into finding another that might work=20 or going with the line6 pedal for $50.<< try reversing the tip and ring connections; worked a treat in my =A320 proe= l job. it wouldn't do a damn thing before that. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may=20 not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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>>Yeah, I'm definitely not seeing anything with my = Roland or Yamaha
pedals, so I'm not sure what's up.  They look like = standard pedals with
a stereo jack.  I guess I'll look into finding anot= her that might work
or going with the line6 pedal for $50.<<

try reversing the tip and ring connections; worked a trea= t in my =A320 proel job. it wouldn't do a damn thing before that.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C308C1.5B2BBFD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 09:59:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MDtMw26246; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 09:55:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 09:55:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030422135451.89586.qmail@web11405.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 06:54:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rich R." Subject: Re: Boss DD6 Warp Effect - Swooshing Taking off Effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030422080102.59619.qmail@web21502.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know the headrush doesn't do that, however the Echo Pro does. There are a couple of dozen factory presets programmed to do just that. Unless I misunderstand what you're trying to do. --- Squid Loop wrote: > Can anybody explain what the warp function is like > on > a Boss DD6? > > One thing I liked about my DL4 was the ability to > put > the mix on 100% Effect and tweak the delay time for > that swooshing taking off sound. I can't seem to do > that with my Echo Pro or my Headrush and I am > searching for a small delay to achieve this. Damn > the > day I used that on one of my bands songs - now > something is missing :) > > Anybody have some suggestions? > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > http://search.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 10:21:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MEI1n30702; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:18:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:18:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EA5507B.B5D738D1@usa.net> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 08:26:00 -0600 From: Lee Sebel Reply-To: synman@usa.net Organization: Cool Music Gear X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater mathematics References: <200304221359.h3MDxGd28051@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mountain Man replied to me: <<>> > Subject: Re: Repeater mathematics > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 05:36:29 -0600 > From: Lee Sebel > > << my net cost before shipping was $75.>>> Dunno...maybe the price dropped already? I did a search for "simple" at MacZone and couldn't find the product. -- Tonefully yours... Lee Sebel • Cool Music Gear You Can't Live Without • 888-487-2166 Representing Innovative Instruments of Impeccable Quality 2way Messaging : coolmusic@my2way.com >>> Give a listen to my original music <<< http://www.mp3.com/voltz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 10:24:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MENTH31616; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:23:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:23:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EA551BE.772EFDAE@usa.net> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 08:31:25 -0600 From: Lee Sebel Reply-To: synman@usa.net Organization: Cool Music Gear X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater mathematics References: <200304221359.h3MDxGd28051@hemlock.violacea.com> <3EA5507B.B5D738D1@usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just found the Simple 512MB Type I card and it would appear the price has gone up, not down. It is indeed $124.99 before a $30 rebate. The $50 rebate from MacZone was available in March. They are also showing a 256MB for $64.99 before a $25 rebate, making them $39.99, so that is actually the better deal right now. -- Tonefully yours... Lee Sebel • Cool Music Gear You Can't Live Without • 888-487-2166 Representing Innovative Instruments of Impeccable Quality 2way Messaging : coolmusic@my2way.com >>> Give a listen to my original music <<< http://www.mp3.com/voltz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 11:08:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MF7gY05356; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:07:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:07:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030422150623.18452.qmail@web21504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 08:06:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: Boss DD6 Warp Effect - Swooshing Taking off Effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030422135451.89586.qmail@web11405.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Really? Can you pin point which patches do that? I've had a hell of a time trying to do it on the Echo Pro and it is set to glide. --- "Rich R." wrote: > I know the headrush doesn't do that, however the > Echo > Pro does. There are a couple of dozen factory > presets > programmed to do just that. Unless I misunderstand > what you're trying to do. > > > --- Squid Loop wrote: > > Can anybody explain what the warp function is like > > on > > a Boss DD6? > > > > One thing I liked about my DL4 was the ability to > > put > > the mix on 100% Effect and tweak the delay time > for > > that swooshing taking off sound. I can't seem to > do > > that with my Echo Pro or my Headrush and I am > > searching for a small delay to achieve this. Damn > > the > > day I used that on one of my bands songs - now > > something is missing :) > > > > Anybody have some suggestions? > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > http://search.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 11:16:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MFG4R06693; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:16:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:16:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <67.eecd8e3.2bd6b67e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:15:10 EDT Subject: EXPO FOR THE ARTIST & MUSICIAN To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h3MFFYB06616 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, For all of you lucky loopists who live in the Bay Area (and unfortunately I don't happen to be one), I just randomly ran across an interesting website < http://www.artsandmedia.net/expo/ > all about an upcoming "Arts" networking event: The FOURTH ANNUAL EXPO FOR THE ARTIST & MUSICIAN May 4, 2003, 11:00 am-6:00 pm Cellspace, 2050 Bryant St., San Francisco No one turned away -- $2 suggested donation. Apparently on May 4th there is some sort of gathering of "Arts Organizations" all in one location so that creative artists and musicians can network and explore opportunities for organized support and mutual advancement of various kinds. To quote their own blurb about it: "The Expo is a very low-cost community connection fair bringing artists together with galleries, studios, arts-service groups and the general public to create a space for education, networking, sharing resources and cultivating music and the arts from the grassroots up. This year more than 80 arts and music organizations will attend, ready to meet and connect with the community." Sounds like a pretty hip thing to me. Maybe you may know about it already and perhaps it isn't as cool an opportunity as it seems on the surface (to an outsider stuck elsewhere in the middle of Nowhereville, USA). Anywho here's a "partial list of the exhibiting organizations: "21 Grand Venue, ABADA Capoeira SF, ArtHouse, ArtNetwork, ArtSF, ArtSpan, ARTworkSF, AXIS Dance, Bay Area Buzz, Black Rock Arts Foundation , BorderZone Arts, Inc., Comedy on the Square, Dandelion Dancetheater, Daniland Productions, Dreams by Degrees, East Bay Youth Band, Event Magic, FiftyCrows, FilmArts Foundation, FILTH Newspaper, gigslist.org, Gilman Street Project, Grass Shack Events & Media, H.E.A.R, Hip Hop Slam, Independent Arts & Media, Institute for Unpopular Culture, Jazz In Flight, Kearny Street Workshop, KFJC 89.7, KZSU 90.1, Little Kids Rock, ME\'D1.ATE Network, Mission Creek Festival, Motogirl Productions, New College of CA, New Langton Arts, Other Minds, Pacific Rim Sculpture Group, Patrick Simms Studios, Performing Arts Wkshp, Planet Drum Foundation, Propellent / Gooferman, Renaissance Entrepreneurship Center, Renegade Productions, REsearch Publications, Rhythm & Motion Dance Center, Rocket Words, San Francisco Media Archive, Sanitary Fill AIR Program, SCRAP, SF Art Institute, SF Center for the Book, Songs Inspired by Literature, Som\'ma Music Ensemble, Soul Clap Records, SoundSafe, Southern Exposure, SPARK/ KQED TV, Taking the Leap, The Art Explosion, The Crucible, the DJ Project, The Field SF, The Foundation Center, The Nocturnes Night Photo Website, Visual Aid, Watchword Press, Women Environmental Artist Directory, YLEM: Artists Using Science & Technology..." Anywho, I thought it couldn't hurt to spread the word a little. Too bad this sort of thing doesn't happen more elsewhere very often (if at all). For those lucky so-and-sos who happen to live within an hours driving distance of this thing it ought to be a no-brainer to be sure and try to attend (I would think). Maybe someone on the list has been there before and has a better idea of what it's about. Wanna pipe up and share? Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn ArsOcarina@aol.com http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 12:13:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MGA3314402; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:10:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:10:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 09:09:28 -0700 Subject: Re: Volume pedals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <002501c30826$74464e90$bf08fc0c@amd> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, April 21, 2003, at 09:52 AM, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > The only bummer about a passive volume pedal is that there seems to be > a low frequency roll-off as you decrease the volume. Not good for > bass players. A simple passive tone control shouldn't actually lower the amount of low frequency energy in your signal. I could be wrong, but you're probably just experiencing the fact that human hearing is non linear in the volume range. An equal amount of bass will just not sound as loud at lower volumes as it will when "cranked." Lot's of home stereo gear has a "loudness" volume that's designed to compensate for our lack of sensitivity in bass frequencies at lower volumes. Maybe the volume pedal you're talking about has some sort of filter that boosts lower frequencies as you back off the volume. That would actually be pretty cool. Maybe I'll try setting up a patch with the Lexicon MPXG2 that does that. Mark Sottlaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 12:20:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MGIhx16132; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:18:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:18:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:55:58 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Volume pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003301c308e7$aadec6a0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "William R. Walker," > Yes its true, pots on eb > pedals are sealed, but you can do what is recommended for tube amp pots, > and that is to periodically turn them several dozen times back and forth > over the full range of the pot. This can really help clean up a dirty pot > that still has life in it, but you have to be patient and do it several > times. I tried that many times and just gave up on it. * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 12:21:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MGJn516393; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:19:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:19:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.128.255.78] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Volume pedal on the MPXG2 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:19:20 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Apr 2003 16:19:20.0750 (UTC) FILETIME=[EE2864E0:01C308EA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How does that patch work/sound? Can you move it around ie. after effect loop/ before echo etc thanks LOU >From: Mark Sottilaro >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Volume pedals >Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 09:09:28 -0700 > >On Monday, April 21, 2003, at 09:52 AM, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > >>The only bummer about a passive volume pedal is that there seems to be a >>low frequency roll-off as you decrease the volume. Not good for bass >>players. > >A simple passive tone control shouldn't actually lower the amount of low >frequency energy in your signal. I could be wrong, but you're probably >just experiencing the fact that human hearing is non linear in the volume >range. An equal amount of bass will just not sound as loud at lower >volumes as it will when "cranked." Lot's of home stereo gear has a >"loudness" volume that's designed to compensate for our lack of sensitivity >in bass frequencies at lower volumes. > >Maybe the volume pedal you're talking about has some sort of filter that >boosts lower frequencies as you back off the volume. That would actually >be pretty cool. Maybe I'll try setting up a patch with the Lexicon MPXG2 >that does that. > >Mark Sottlaro > _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 12:32:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MGW0i18332; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:32:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:32:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <67.eecd8e3.2bd6b67e@aol.com> References: <67.eecd8e3.2bd6b67e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 09:31:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: EXPO FOR THE ARTIST & MUSICIAN Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:15 AM -0400 4/22/03, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: >For all of you lucky loopists who live in the Bay Area (and unfortunately >I don't happen to be one), I just randomly ran across an interesting >website < http://www.artsandmedia.net/expo/ > all about an >upcoming "Arts" networking event: > > The FOURTH ANNUAL > EXPO FOR THE ARTIST & MUSICIAN > May 4, 2003, 11:00 am-6:00 pm > Cellspace, 2050 Bryant St., San Francisco > No one turned away -- $2 suggested donation. If I were in the area I'd certainly go. I'm familiar with many of the organizations involved and I expect it will be an excellent networking opportunity. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 12:32:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MGW6Q18342; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:32:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:32:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <008501c308bc$d63865c0$0100a8c0@eluk> References: <20030421193038.89956.qmail@web40301.mail.yahoo.com> <008f01c30856$713defc0$0100a8c0@eluk> <008501c308bc$d63865c0$0100a8c0@eluk> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 09:28:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: recording setup? (ot) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:26 AM +0100 4/22/03, Steve Goodman wrote a whole bunch of stuff about PC hardware that demonstrates that he knows whereof he speaks. OK, so my information is probably outdated (though some of my personal experiences are recent). My original comment was just a "caveat emptor" suggestion that you have to do your homework when setting up a system. If someone chooses to go with a professionally configured music system such as those offered by Carillon and Wave Digital then the compatibility issues should have been worked out. BTW - There was a very positive review of a Carillon system, posted by its owner, on the theatre-sound list this week. Some of his comments: "quiet...blazingly fast...rock solid." -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 12:45:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MGi4A20809; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:44:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:44:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c308ee$4e9c2340$0100a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <20030421193038.89956.qmail@web40301.mail.yahoo.com> <008f01c30856$713defc0$0100a8c0@eluk> <008501c308bc$d63865c0$0100a8c0@eluk> Subject: Re: recording setup? (ot) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:43:24 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > At 11:26 AM +0100 4/22/03, Steve Goodman wrote a whole bunch of stuff > about PC hardware that demonstrates that he knows whereof he speaks. > > OK, so my information is probably outdated (though some of my > personal experiences are recent). My original comment was just a > "caveat emptor" suggestion that you have to do your homework when > setting up a system. If someone chooses to go with a professionally > configured music system such as those offered by Carillon and Wave > Digital then the compatibility issues should have been worked out. > > BTW - There was a very positive review of a Carillon system, posted > by its owner, on the theatre-sound list this week. Some of his > comments: "quiet...blazingly fast...rock solid." > Thanks for the compliment! Though frankly the more I hear about these config horror stories, the more I wish I was there in the area to fix 'em up. ...Say! There's an idea. If I could get enough gigs fixing up peoples' setups/PCs out there it'd be more than worthwhile to borrow the cash to fly back. I've got stuff in storage for the past three years that you wouldn't believe - and have had a big lawn sale planned for as long... Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Other - Quasi-daily Cartoon http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 13:03:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MH1HS24912; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:01:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:01:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003101c308f9$27c9c780$c101a8c0@bdc> From: "James" To: Subject: EFC-7 - photo of wiring Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:01:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01C308CF.3EBE57A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <43qJXD.A.HCG.AVXp-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C308CF.3EBE57A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I'm looking for a picture of the wiring inside a EFC-7 foot controller = so I can make my own. 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------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C308CF.3EBE57A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 13:08:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MH81927467; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:08:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:08:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030422100226.04d685f0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:07:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Volume pedals In-Reply-To: References: <002501c30826$74464e90$bf08fc0c@amd> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:09 AM 4/22/2003, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >On Monday, April 21, 2003, at 09:52 AM, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > >>The only bummer about a passive volume pedal is that there seems to be a >>low frequency roll-off as you decrease the volume. Not good for bass players. > >A simple passive tone control shouldn't actually lower the amount of low >frequency energy in your signal. the high output impedance of a bass/guitar pickup can interact with the resistor of a passive volume control to create a filter. The same thing can happen with volume controls mounted on the bass/guitar. oftentimes capacitors are added inside guitars to compensate. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 13:15:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MHEIb29527; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:14:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:14:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006f01c308f2$863899b0$bf08fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030311124855.01619ec0@pop.free.fr> <002f01c2e7d6$0d5929c0$a538fc0c@amd> Subject: Re: EDP ReAlign vs. QuantStartPoint... Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:13:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias- Thanks for responding. I'm still not sure about the answer to this question, but I got things to work in the situation that I was working on, so I didn't press it. Part of the issue was resolved in my sequencer. Sonar has an option in the sync menu called "Use Start, Never Continue." By default Sonar is set to send a Song Continue message when you begin playing the track from anywhere but the beginning of the tune. This meant that I had to put in ReAlign messages all over (which sometimes worked and sometimes didn't to get the clock back in time, and I still don't understand ReAlign or QuantStartPoint), for the EDP. It also meant that my sampler would not sync its LFO to clock unless I started playing the track from the beginning. Using the "Use Start, Never Continue" option sends a Song Start message regardless of where you start listening from. Apparently devices want that Start Song signal to realign their clocks to. However, there are some strange issues that still remain. I have Quantize OFF now, but for some reason some of the DirectMIDI commands that I wrote into my EDP control track ahead of the beat (when it was set to Quantize 8th) still work like Quantize was on. -Jesse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 5:04 AM Subject: Re: EDP ReAlign vs. QuantStartPoint... > >EDP Gurus- > > seems noone felt adressed :-) > > Did you solve your problem? > Or can you discribe it better, I did not quite understand...: > > > > >ReAlign and QuantStartPoint. I am a little unclear about which of these two > >commands is better suited to getting the EDP back on track with a MIDI > >clock. The way I understand it is that, after the initial cycle length is > >calculated, the EDP ignores the clock. After about sixteen bars I can hear > >that it's drifted off course slightly and I would like to get it to listen > >to the clock again to get the loops back in time. > > > >I guess I'm a little confused as to exactly what the Global and Local > >StartPoints are derived from. Does the EDP actually continue to listen to > >the clock and use that as the Global StartPoint, and then it listens to the > >cycle length it calculated and calls the beginning of each of those cycles > >the Local StartPoint? > > > >[reading manual intently] > > > >Alright, I guess here's a better question: Quantize=CYC, 8ths/Cycle=8, > >SamplerStyle=StA, Source#=36. If I trigger a ReAlign via MIDI on beat four > >of a bar while I'm in loop 2, and then trigger loop 1 via MIDI to start on > >beat one of the following bar, will it quantize loop 1 to the Global > >StartPoint? The manual says... > > > >... > >- ReAlign (Restart the current loop at the next MIDI beat 1) > >... > > > >...which implies that since I was in loop 2 when I initiated the ReAlign it > >wouldn't ReAlign the loop that I'm switching to. True or false? > > > >-Jesse From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 13:35:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MHQgt32424; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:26:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:26:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030422172608.52624.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:26:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Volume pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030422100226.04d685f0@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Kim Flint wrote: > At 09:09 AM 4/22/2003, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >On Monday, April 21, 2003, at 09:52 AM, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > > > >>The only bummer about a passive volume pedal is that there seems to be a > >>low frequency roll-off as you decrease the volume. Not good for bass > players. > > > >A simple passive tone control shouldn't actually lower the amount of low > >frequency energy in your signal. > > the high output impedance of a bass/guitar pickup can interact with the > resistor of a passive volume control to create a filter. The same thing can > happen with volume controls mounted on the bass/guitar. oftentimes > capacitors are added inside guitars to compensate. How would you add capacitors to compensate for this? One of my guitars is particularly bad about that and I'd like to fix it. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 13:40:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MHbCn01735; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:37:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:37:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.14.93.11] X-Originating-Email: [armyofpie@hotmail.com] From: "Will Wright" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Types of Music Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:36:33 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Apr 2003 17:36:33.0851 (UTC) FILETIME=[B7B380B0:01C308F5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would classify my music as wild flailings and experimentation in a medium I am not qualified for. Actually that describes a lot of the things I do. I have found this list very educational and helpful and the people on it very receptive to things outside the immediate sphere of the list. I don't think I could call myself a looper at this point, I'm not even sure if I fully understand the concepts involved :) but here I am! Will Wright Army Of Pie >From: Sempai >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Types of Music >Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 10:13:05 -0400 > >I have been lurking here for several months, learning as I go. >I was just curious about the actual genre of looping music people >compose on this list. > >Do you compose slow ambient, dance, guitar based, keyboard based? >From the links posted to various songs, it seems ambient is the majority. > >Also, not sure if my type of music is welcome here. I compose >exclusively sampled based loop music. I do not perform, just compose. >Much of the list (at least those who write regularly) seem to be more >performance based. 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--------------010802070008010109020908-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 14:03:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MHxNL06886; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:59:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:59:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20030422104727.01a77dd8@www.deathrattlerecords.com> X-Sender: soren%deathrattlerecords.com@www.deathrattlerecords.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:55:06 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Soren Subject: Using Boss RC-20 Live In-Reply-To: <000b01c308ee$4e9c2340$0100a8c0@eluk> References: <20030421193038.89956.qmail@web40301.mail.yahoo.com> <008f01c30856$713defc0$0100a8c0@eluk> <008501c308bc$d63865c0$0100a8c0@eluk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings! I am new to this list; but not entirely new to looping. I first discovered the joy in the late 80's with an Ibanez digital delay (rack mount - I have long since forgotten the model). Hours of fun! My main looping tool now, is the Repeater; which I have not yet fully tamed! Anyway... I am considering purchasing the RC-20 for live use because it is so small and can be run on batteries (loop storage is also nice); otherwise, I would purchase the Boomerang without further hesitation. I spent several hours yesterday searching/reading the archives; but I still have a few operational questions. Are the following conclusions/assumptions correct? 1. The need to fuss with the time signature and tempo settings is TOTALLY eliminated by simply turning the quantization feature off. 2. To record a NEW loop, a) the existing loop MUST NOT be playing b) step on the left pedal to start recording c) step on the left pedal to stop recording and IMMEDIATELY start playing the loop OR step on the right pedal to stop recording WITHOUT playing the loop. 3. To over-dub an EXISTING loop, the process is the EXACT SAME, except that the existing loop MUST be playing when you press the left pedal. Furthermore, over-dub is similar to the Repeater, in that you can not go directly from recording a new loop to over-dubbing; but, instead, you have to wait for one initial play cycle (or portion thereof). Is anyone using the RC-20 live? If so, what do you hate about it? :-) Peace.. -Soren. Forbidden Songs For Fallen Souls @ www.ForbiddenSongs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 14:07:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MI28X07551; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:02:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:02:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 19:45:37 +0200 Subject: [Paris Loopfest] I probably wont be here :( Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <003101c308f9$27c9c780$c101a8c0@bdc> Message-Id: <3A036EC6-74EA-11D7-91C0-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <168tqD.A.9yB.IOYp-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I've been absent from the list, the net, life and music in general over the past month or so. I had a series of computer problems which resulted in me losing over 6 months of recordings... I've also had a pile of personal problems (mostly financial) which has made me realise that I need to get the hell out of Paris. The music scene here sucks... that is unless you produce euro-pop rehashes of 70's hits. More and more venues are now resorting to installing CD players, as the beaurocracy in getting permission for live music is too much hassle, and there is now a huge crackdown on 'illegal street performances'.... I'm giving up. I'm too old/tired/pissed off at having to 'suffer for my art'... it aint romantic, and its not fun. Yup... I'm moving back to the UK (Plymouth)... probably within weeks. Re: the loopfest, I've been able to do very little. The venues that have in-house P.A. systems are fully booked up months in advance... the earliest that anyone can hope for is towards the winter. Even trying to find a suitable small venue where I wont have to pay up-front for when Rick Walker arrives at the end of June has proved impossible... :( I need someone to take over control of what I had hoped to start.... any takers? Sorry to let you down guys.... - Stu P.S. I have 1977 unread LD emails... is there a summary kicking around? :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 14:07:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MI3nE08163; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:03:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:03:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:03:08 -0700 Subject: Re: Volume pedal on the MPXG2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have not yet tried it, but the G2 is very flexible as to where you can put each effect. The EQ section seems pretty flexible and the overall fidelity of the device is great, so I imagine it will sound good. Mark On Tuesday, April 22, 2003, at 09:19 AM, Louis Rossi wrote: > > How does that patch work/sound? Can you move it around ie. after > effect loop/ before echo etc > > thanks > LOU >> Maybe the volume pedal you're talking about has some sort of filter >> that boosts lower frequencies as you back off the volume. That would >> actually be pretty cool. Maybe I'll try setting up a patch with the >> Lexicon MPXG2 that does that. >> >> Mark Sottlaro >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 14:10:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MI6TZ09355; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:06:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:06:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:05:51 -0700 Subject: Re: Volume pedals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030422100226.04d685f0@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: <0DA39BCA-74ED-11D7-AF57-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the info Kim. I wonder if my EMGs with their active pickup compensates for this on some level... Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, April 22, 2003, at 10:07 AM, Kim Flint wrote: > At 09:09 AM 4/22/2003, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >> On Monday, April 21, 2003, at 09:52 AM, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: >> >>> The only bummer about a passive volume pedal is that there seems to >>> be a low frequency roll-off as you decrease the volume. Not good >>> for bass players. >> >> A simple passive tone control shouldn't actually lower the amount of >> low frequency energy in your signal. > > the high output impedance of a bass/guitar pickup can interact with > the resistor of a passive volume control to create a filter. The same > thing can happen with volume controls mounted on the bass/guitar. > oftentimes capacitors are added inside guitars to compensate. > > kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 14:17:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MIG1T11196; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:16:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:16:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:15:26 -0700 Subject: Re: [Paris Loopfest] I probably wont be here :( Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3A036EC6-74EA-11D7-91C0-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Message-Id: <642DE421-74EE-11D7-AF57-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm really sorry to here that Stuart... not that I've ever been to France, but it's sad to hear any situation anywhere where musicians get the shaft in favor of a CD player. Don't even get me started about how I feel about "DJs" who claim to be artists (or just act that way) when in fact they substitute intimacy with their record collection for real creativity. Again, this is not to disparage DJs who are actually doing sound collage and creating a unique musical experience by combining different sources. My way of dealing with a similar bent in the states is to totally separate my money making endeavors from my music making endeavors. I've never been happier. Good luck. mark On Tuesday, April 22, 2003, at 10:45 AM, Stuart Wyatt wrote: > Hi all, > > I've been absent from the list, the net, life and music in general > over the past month or so. I had a series of computer problems which > resulted in me losing over 6 months of recordings... I've also had a > pile of personal problems (mostly financial) which has made me realize > that I need to get the hell out of Paris. The music scene here > sucks... that is unless you produce euro-pop rehashes of 70's hits. > More and more venues are now resorting to installing CD players, as > the beaurocracy in getting permission for live music is too much > hassle, and there is now a huge crackdown on 'illegal street > performances'.... > > I'm giving up. I'm too old/tired/pissed off at having to 'suffer for > my art'... it aint romantic, and its not fun. > > Yup... I'm moving back to the UK (Plymouth)... probably within weeks. > > Re: the loopfest, I've been able to do very little. The venues that > have in-house P.A. systems are fully booked up months in advance... > the earliest that anyone can hope for is towards the winter. Even > trying to find a suitable small venue where I wont have to pay > up-front for when Rick Walker arrives at the end of June has proved > impossible... :( > > I need someone to take over control of what I had hoped to start.... > any takers? > > Sorry to let you down guys.... > > - Stu > > P.S. I have 1977 unread LD emails... is there a summary kicking > around? :) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 14:29:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MIS6F13074; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:28:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:28:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.120.98.57] X-Originating-Email: [jdwinger@hotmail.com] From: "James Winger" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Volume pedals Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:27:19 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Apr 2003 18:27:20.0029 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF5D60D0:01C308FC] Resent-Message-ID: <1bL5u.A.PKD.OmYp-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the info Kim. I wonder if my EMGs with their active pickup compensates for this on some level... Mark Sottilaro Yes, EMG's - EMG's shouldn't suffer from this as the active circuitry act as a buffer _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 14:31:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MITZO13439; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:29:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:29:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <29.3e4b3a09.2bd6e3e2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:28:50 EDT Subject: Re: Using Boss RC-20 Live To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 4/22/03 11:01:23 AM, Soren@DeathRattleRecords.com writes: << 1. The need to fuss with the time signature and tempo settings is TOTALLY eliminated by simply turning the quantization feature off. >> Not sure what you mean about fussing but quantization is never on unless you do a Tap tempo. <<2. To record a NEW loop, a) the existing loop MUST NOT be playing b) step on the left pedal to start recording c) step on the left pedal to stop recording and IMMEDIATELY start playing the loop OR step on the right pedal to stop recording WITHOUT playing the loop.>> Yes except that you must be on a bank where no loop has been stored/saved. If you wanted to go from a recorded loop cycle to record a new loop you would need to use a pedal switch or by hand turn the dial to an empty bank. 3. To over-dub an EXISTING loop, the process is the EXACT SAME, except that the existing loop MUST be playing when you press the left pedal. Furthermore, over-dub is similar to the Repeater, in that you can not go directly from recording a new loop to over-dubbing; but, instead, you have to wait for one initial play cycle (or portion thereof). I don't think you have to wait for a cycle, you just have to establish the loop (left) then press the left again. Depends on how long your loop is. I haven't used it live but it seems like having 2 RC's would be good. You could have one dedicated to 10 established loops that you could move thru while using the other empty RC to record new loops in realtime. BobC The Thumb Piano Project www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 14:31:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MITA213322; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:29:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:29:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.120.98.57] X-Originating-Email: [jdwinger@hotmail.com] From: "James Winger" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Volume pedals Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:28:16 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Apr 2003 18:28:16.0197 (UTC) FILETIME=[F0D7EF50:01C308FC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How would you add capacitors to compensate for this? One of my guitars is particularly bad about that and I'd like to fix it. Greg _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 14:35:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MIYVn15271; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:34:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:34:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.120.98.57] X-Originating-Email: [jdwinger@hotmail.com] From: "James Winger" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Volume pedals Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:33:52 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Apr 2003 18:33:52.0593 (UTC) FILETIME=[B959E410:01C308FD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com greg; here's a little link for the capacitor mod http://www.guitarelectronics.com/tonemods.html#treble From: Greg House Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Volume pedals Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:26:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from mc8-f10.law1.hotmail.com ([65.54.253.146]) by mc8-s13.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:27:05 -0700 Received: from hemlock.violacea.com ([207.228.238.9]) by mc8-f10.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:26:39 -0700 Received: (from looper@localhost)by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MHQAn32326;Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:26:10 -0400 X-Message-Info: U2wzkPk8/jY+2Rb9QfHMIlJ42TgmT9Zi Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:26:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030422172608.52624.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030422100226.04d685f0@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Return-Path: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Apr 2003 17:26:40.0187 (UTC) FILETIME=[55D990B0:01C308F4] --- Kim Flint wrote: > At 09:09 AM 4/22/2003, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >On Monday, April 21, 2003, at 09:52 AM, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > > > >>The only bummer about a passive volume pedal is that there seems to be a > >>low frequency roll-off as you decrease the volume. Not good for bass > players. > > > >A simple passive tone control shouldn't actually lower the amount of low > >frequency energy in your signal. > > the high output impedance of a bass/guitar pickup can interact with the > resistor of a passive volume control to create a filter. The same thing can > happen with volume controls mounted on the bass/guitar. oftentimes > capacitors are added inside guitars to compensate. How would you add capacitors to compensate for this? One of my guitars is particularly bad about that and I'd like to fix it. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 14:46:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MIihK17129; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:44:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:44:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:23:23 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: gig spam: MICROFEST 2003 To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Message-id: <005601c308fc$42436640$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_MSrjh5dCXIoREpSg4Dj6GA)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_MSrjh5dCXIoREpSg4Dj6GA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I'll be looping at this festival this weekend: MICROFEST 2003 A Southern California Festival of Microtonal Music Sunday, April 27, 7:00 pm MicroGuitars Electric Lodge, 1416 Electric Ave., Venice, Ca. Featuring microtonal guitarists David Beardsley, Rod Poole, John Schneider and The Duo performing James Hopkins: 5 Micro-tonal Studies; James Tenney: Harmonium II for 2 guitars; Lou Harrison: Ditone Set (1978/2003 premiere) & Scenes from Nek Chand (2002) for re-fretted National Steel Guitar; David Beardsley: Around D For more information call (310)306-1854 Donation: $15 Students and seniors $10 http://www.microfest.org http://www.electriclodge.org * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db --Boundary_(ID_MSrjh5dCXIoREpSg4Dj6GA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
I'll be looping at this festival this weekend:
 
MICROFEST 2003
A Southern California Festival of Microtonal Music
Sunday, April 27, 7:00 pm
MicroGuitars
Electric Lodge, 1416 Electric Ave., Venice, Ca.

Featuring microtonal guitarists
David Beardsley, Rod Poole, John Schneider and The Duo

performing James Hopkins: 5 Micro-tonal Studies;
James Tenney: Harmonium II for 2 guitars;
Lou Harrison: Ditone Set (1978/2003 premiere) &
Scenes from Nek Chand (2002) for re-fretted National Steel Guitar;
David Beardsley: Around D

For more information call (310)306-1854
Donation: $15 Students and seniors $10

http://www.microfest.org

http://www.electriclodge.org
 
* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db
--Boundary_(ID_MSrjh5dCXIoREpSg4Dj6GA)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 14:59:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MIw3n19552; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:58:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:58:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d901c30900$d3ebc5c0$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: Subject: re: Types of Music Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:56:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi sempai and welcome. yes you are welcome on the list and yes i am also interested in what others are doing with their loops. i have learned ALLOT about various types of music and looping apllications threough the ld list. my personal application with looping right now is i live function where i loop my guitar and voice to do various and unsundry things all real time. stylisticly give a tune or 2 a spin and decide for yourself? if you want check out tracks where i am composing with loop pls give #s 3, 10, 15, 18 & 19 a listen on my music page of http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com off the first cd on the listening page, 'bestov'. 3 - 15 are guitar/vocal loops, 18 - 19 are piano loops. also on my front page under the main menu is the loop song of the month. i will be posting a new sonf of the month in the next few days, the one up right now is still fun though... thanks for the question and thanks for being in the loop... peace jimmy george http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com http://www.jimmygeorgeband.com http://www.mousebearrecords.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Will Wright To: Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 11:36 AM Subject: Re: Types of Music > I would classify my music as wild flailings and experimentation in a medium > I am not qualified for. Actually that describes a lot of the things I do. > > I have found this list very educational and helpful and the people on it > very receptive to things outside the immediate sphere of the list. > > I don't think I could call myself a looper at this point, I'm not even sure > if I fully understand the concepts involved :) but here I am! > > Will Wright > Army Of Pie > > >From: Sempai > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Types of Music > >Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 10:13:05 -0400 > > > >I have been lurking here for several months, learning as I go. > >I was just curious about the actual genre of looping music people > >compose on this list. > > > >Do you compose slow ambient, dance, guitar based, keyboard based? > >From the links posted to various songs, it seems ambient is the majority. > > > >Also, not sure if my type of music is welcome here. I compose > >exclusively sampled based loop music. I do not perform, just compose. > >Much of the list (at least those who write regularly) seem to be more > >performance based. A lot of the discussion seems to focus on gear > >related issues. > > > >I'm interested in comments on the above. > > > >Sempai > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 15:03:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MJ0Zm21403; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:00:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:00:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20030422123218.01a546d0@www.deathrattlerecords.com> X-Sender: soren%deathrattlerecords.com@www.deathrattlerecords.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:58:26 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Soren Subject: Re: Using Boss RC-20 Live In-Reply-To: <29.3e4b3a09.2bd6e3e2@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <28OYMB.A.uMF.uEZp-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bob, thanks for the great info! My comments follow yours. :-) -Soren. At 02:28 PM 4/22/2003 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 4/22/03 11:01:23 AM, Soren@DeathRattleRecords.com writes: > ><< 1. The need to fuss with the time signature and tempo settings is TOTALLY >eliminated by simply turning the quantization feature off. >> > >Not sure what you mean about fussing but quantization is never on unless you >do a Tap tempo. Good! I don't want to have to set time signatures and tempos. ><<2. To record a NEW loop, a) the existing loop MUST NOT be playing b) step >on the left pedal to start recording c) step on the left pedal to stop >recording and IMMEDIATELY start playing the loop OR step on the right >pedal to stop recording WITHOUT playing the loop.>> > >Yes except that you must be on a bank where no loop has been stored/saved. If >you wanted to go from a recorded loop cycle to record a new loop you would >need to use a pedal switch or by hand turn the dial to an empty bank. How, then, do you clear out a bank location so that you can start again from scratch? That seems like it would suck live. Even with an external pedal, you would only have 10 loops - and then what? >3. To over-dub an EXISTING loop, the process is the EXACT SAME, except that >the existing loop MUST be playing when you press the left >pedal. Furthermore, over-dub is similar to the Repeater, in that you can >not go directly from recording a new loop to over-dubbing; but, instead, >you have to wait for one initial play cycle (or portion thereof). > >I don't think you have to wait for a cycle, you just have to establish the >loop (left) then press the left again. Depends on how long your loop is. > >I haven't used it live but it seems like having 2 RC's would be good. You >could have one dedicated to 10 established loops that you could move thru >while using the other empty RC to record new loops in realtime. Hmm.. >BobC > >The Thumb Piano Project >www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject >http://trundlebox.iuma.com >http://brokenaxe.iuma.com Forbidden Songs For Fallen Souls @ www.ForbiddenSongs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 15:28:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MJP3o25081; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:25:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:25:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <114.2245fa14.2bd6f0dc@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:24:12 EDT Subject: Re: Using Boss RC-20 Live To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 4/22/03 12:01:01 PM, Soren@DeathRattleRecords.com writes: << How, then, do you clear out a bank location so that you can start again from scratch? >> Hi As long as you don't WRITE the loop to the bank switching out of the bank clears the loop. Otherwise you just have to use the delete function. I have not tried using a pedal so I'm not sure if that works in only one direction. In other words if you have an unsaved loop on #1, switching up to #2 then clears #1. I have a feeling that a pedal would only switch up the series so you could not immediately drop back to #1 perhaps someone has knowledge on this.. But you can always turn the dial by hand, awkward but doable. BobC The Thumb Piano Project www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 16:11:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MK8M332564; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:08:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:08:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:06:53 -0700 Subject: Re: Using Boss RC-20 Live Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <114.2245fa14.2bd6f0dc@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So... with the RC-20 is it possible to set up a bunch of blank loops and then fill them during a show? Then toggle between them? How is feedback handled with the RC-20? Is it set like the DL4/Mod Pro or can you dial in your own percentage? Do you need to use it's dials or can you use an external controller? Mark On Tuesday, April 22, 2003, at 12:24 PM, Aptrev@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 4/22/03 12:01:01 PM, Soren@DeathRattleRecords.com > writes: > > << How, then, do you clear out a bank location so that you can start > again > from scratch? >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 16:36:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MKVCe04201; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:31:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:31:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:15:26 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Using Boss RC-20 Live To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001f01c3090b$e9def860$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark" > So... with the RC-20 is it possible to set up a bunch of blank loops > and then fill them during a show? Then toggle between them? You would have to save the loop before leaving for the next. > How is feedback handled with the RC-20? Is it set like the DL4/Mod Pro > or can you dial in your own percentage? It builds up and gets louder and louder. It never fades away. >Do you need to use it's dials > or can you use an external controller? Dials. * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 16:36:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MKX5i04453; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:33:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:33:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 21:35:15 +0100 Subject: Repeater HELP ME PLEASE! !!!!! From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi everyone I have a EDP and am looking at buying a repeater or second EDP Little bit desperate for time as I may have found one I can afford. could someone who has used the repeater tell me the following. When using my EDP I am used to altering the feedback of the loop as its playing, can u do this with the repeater? Does the repeater user interface work in such a way as to allow you to create 4 independent loops live without stopping playback. Can you then reverse, fade, individual loops again without stopping anything, i.e. is it like owning four independent loopers in sync. Does the repeater have an equivalent of the INSERT function of an EDP. Does anyone have any opinions on whether it is better to have two EDPS or one EDP and a Repeater??? ARRRGGGGHHHH the stress of trying to find a looper cheers Geoff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 16:47:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MKcs205640; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:38:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:38:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:38:04 EDT Subject: Re: Using Boss RC-20 Live To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 4/22/03 1:08:29 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: << with the RC-20 is it possible to set up a bunch of blank loops and then fill them during a show? Then toggle between them?>> Yes but you have to manually save/write each one. Just takes two hits of the write button but this does turn off the play function, you need to hit the play mode again to resume play. Toggle by hand or pedal. <> No feedback since not based on delay, it is a straight memory chip. BobC The Thumb Piano Project www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 16:48:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MKiNL06853; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:44:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:44:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20030422134820.01a54a90@www.deathrattlerecords.com> X-Sender: soren%deathrattlerecords.com@www.deathrattlerecords.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:40:38 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Soren Subject: Re: Using Boss RC-20 Live In-Reply-To: <114.2245fa14.2bd6f0dc@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <493W_B.A.zpB.Kmap-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think I understand now. Unfortunately, that is a show stopper for me. I guess there are a lot of good reason why the Boomerang remains so popular. Thanks to everyone for such an excellent exchange of information! :-) Peace.. -Soren. At 03:24 PM 4/22/2003 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 4/22/03 12:01:01 PM, Soren@DeathRattleRecords.com writes: > ><< How, then, do you clear out a bank location so that you can start again >from scratch? >> > >Hi >As long as you don't WRITE the loop to the bank switching out of the bank >clears the loop. Otherwise you just have to use the delete function. >I have not tried using a pedal so I'm not sure if that works in only one >direction. In other words if you have an unsaved loop on #1, switching up to >#2 then clears #1. I have a feeling that a pedal would only switch up the >series so you could not immediately drop back to #1 perhaps someone has >knowledge on this.. But you can always turn the dial by hand, awkward but >doable. > >BobC > >The Thumb Piano Project >www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject >http://trundlebox.iuma.com >http://brokenaxe.iuma.com Forbidden Songs For Fallen Souls @ www.ForbiddenSongs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 16:49:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MKjos07148; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:45:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:45:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20030422144113.01b43a70@www.deathrattlerecords.com> X-Sender: soren%deathrattlerecords.com@www.deathrattlerecords.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:44:00 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Soren Subject: Re: Repeater HELP ME PLEASE! !!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:35 PM 4/22/2003 +0100, you wrote: >Hi everyone >I have a EDP and am looking at buying a repeater or second EDP >Little bit desperate for time as I may have found one I can afford. > >could someone who has used the repeater tell me the following. >When using my EDP I am used to altering the feedback of the loop as its >playing, can u do this with the repeater? Not sure. >Does the repeater user interface work in such a way as to allow you to >create 4 independent loops live without stopping playback. Can you then >reverse, fade, individual loops again without stopping anything, i.e. is it >like owning four independent loopers in sync. Essentially, yes. :-) >Does the repeater have an equivalent of the INSERT function of an EDP. Not familiar with EDP; but there is an FX loop which has worked well for me >Does anyone have any opinions on whether it is better to have two EDPS or >one EDP and a Repeater??? There is power in diversity - one of each! :-) >ARRRGGGGHHHH >the stress of trying to find a looper >cheers >Geoff -Soren. Forbidden Songs For Fallen Souls @ www.ForbiddenSongs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 16:58:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MKvVD09387; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:57:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:57:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:57:27 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater HELP ME PLEASE! !!!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: sheila & joe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <065E5827-7505-11D7-A1DD-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, April 22, 2003, at 01:35 PM, Geoff Smith wrote: > Hi everyone > I have a EDP and am looking at buying a repeater or second EDP > Little bit desperate for time as I may have found one I can afford. > > could someone who has used the repeater tell me the following. > When using my EDP I am used to altering the feedback of the loop as its > playing, can u do this with the repeater? I think this is possible via MIDI > > Does the repeater user interface work in such a way as to allow you to > create 4 independent loops live without stopping playback. Yes > Can you then > reverse, fade, individual loops again without stopping anything, i.e. > is it > like owning four independent loopers in sync. You need to think of the Repeater as a 4 track recorder. You can fade individual loops by the front panel sliders or MIDI. You cannot reverse individual tracks. All tracks reverse, again think 4 track recorder. You can slip (move forward of backwards), pitch shift, individual tracks. > > Does the repeater have an equivalent of the INSERT function of an EDP. Yes. > > Does anyone have any opinions on whether it is better to have two EDPS > or > one EDP and a Repeater??? > > ARRRGGGGHHHH > the stress of trying to find a looper > cheers > Geoff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 16:59:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MKwhw09702; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:58:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:58:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:58:11 +0200 Subject: Re: Repeater HELP ME PLEASE! !!!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20030422144113.01b43a70@www.deathrattlerecords.com> Message-Id: <2103D841-7505-11D7-91C0-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, April 22, 2003, at 10:44 pm, Soren wrote: >> Does the repeater user interface work in such a way as to allow you to >> create 4 independent loops live without stopping playback. Can you >> then >> reverse, fade, individual loops again without stopping anything, i.e. >> is it >> like owning four independent loopers in sync. > > Essentially, yes. :-) Maybe not in the way that he is asking (it was the same idea that I had about the Repeater, which proved to be false). Think of it this way: You have ONE loop which contains 4 tracks. If you extend that loop, you extend the loops for all 4 tracks. If you reverse the loop, you reverse all 4 tracks at the same time. It is not the same as having 4 independent loopers. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 17:04:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3ML3xb11937; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:03:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:03:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030422210245.86249.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:02:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Using Boss RC-20 Live To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001f01c3090b$e9def860$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- David Beardsley wrote: > From: "mark" > > > So... with the RC-20 is it possible to set up a bunch of blank loops > > and then fill them during a show? Then toggle between them? > > You would have to save the loop before leaving for the next. Can it save while it's playing the loop? > > How is feedback handled with the RC-20? Is it set like the DL4/Mod Pro > > or can you dial in your own percentage? > > It builds up and gets louder and louder. It never fades away. 100% feedback all the time? Ugh. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 17:16:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MLFk914237; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:15:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:15:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010101c30914$3f6efca0$bf08fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <00d901c30900$d3ebc5c0$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> Subject: Here's a tune called Mallorn (Re:Types of music)... Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:15:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is the first of my sequence+EDP tunes. The fretless bass is all live, input into the EDP the first time you hear each of the sections. Then the sequencer triggers the loops when they make their appearances later, allowing me to do other things (Rhodes, sample rate decimation, sample triggering, etc.) in between. The vocal sample that sounds somewhat like it's scratched on a turntable (at 3:27, and 5:10) is performed live, using an option of the Yamaha A5000 sampler's pitchbend controller section called "Slow&Reverse." The bottom half of the pitch wheel's movement slows the sample down to stop at -4000, and then begins to play the sample backwards from -4001 to -8000 (or whatever the largest negative value of a pitchwheel control message is). The drums were all programmed by hand in the piano roll view in Sonar (mail me if you want the MIDI file for study), and the control functions for the EDP were written as a MIDI track. There is some sine wave bass around 20Hz which may hurt your little PC speakers if you crank it too much. Just watch out. I'm no mastering engineer. My server has been locking up lately, so if the download doesn't work now, try it again in a few hours. http://www.neoprimitive.net/jlucas/audio/lto/mallorn.mp3 Hope you like. This is what type of music I write. I wasn't sure what to call it in a response to that thread, or maybe I just wasn't willing to label it. But I'd be interested to hear what anyone/everyone else can equate it to. Tripe, garbage, filth, shite, compulsive twitch, aggro electro rock, whatever. :) -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 17:17:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MLCXN13379; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:12:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:12:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: RE: Repeater HELP ME PLEASE! !!!!! Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:08:49 -0400 Message-ID: <002201c30913$6095bb40$470a230a@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Geoff Smith [mailto:geoff.smith15@btopenworld.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 4:35 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Repeater HELP ME PLEASE! !!!!! > > > Hi everyone > I have a EDP and am looking at buying a repeater or second EDP > Little bit desperate for time as I may have found one I can afford. Firstly, I'd recommend checking out the manual available online: http://www.electrixpro.com/support/manuals.html > could someone who has used the repeater tell me the following. > When using my EDP I am used to altering the feedback of the > loop as its > playing, can u do this with the repeater? You can only alter feedback while recording in Overdub mode. If you Mute the input to the Repeater somehow (so no audio is being fed to it; you have to use a mixer or something before the Repeater's input to do this), engage Overdub mode (or already be in it, easy to do, you could just leave this ON or engage at whim with a push of a button or sending the appropriate Midi CC or PC message from the controller of your choice), and then engage Record, then yes, you would be able to manipulate the feeback (for any and all tracks engaged for recording, but only tracks so engaged) while it was 'playing'. You would effectively be recording nothing except the noise floor of the device on top of the existing material, but this approach would probably work, though not as cleanly as the EDP. Haven't tried it myself, but now I will ... ;-) > Does the repeater user interface work in such a way as to allow you to > create 4 independent loops live without stopping playback. > Can you then > reverse, fade, individual loops again without stopping > anything, i.e. is it > like owning four independent loopers in sync. It's actually 4 'tracks' to 1 'loop'. Many functions (pitch, pan, volume, fx send, record) can operate on a per track basis. So you could fade in/out individual tracks. Other functions (Reverse, play, loop length, etc.) affect all 4 tracks equally, by design. It is NOT the equivalent of 4 INDEPENDENT loopers in sync. It's more of an interactive, real-time (more or less with some things) 4-track recorder that loops. > Does the repeater have an equivalent of the INSERT function of an EDP. Not entirely, and not nearly as sophisticated. You can turn Overdub off and engage Record, it will overwrite any already existing material on the selected track(s) with the input signal, but you cannot engage/disengage Record in a rapid fashion at all times. Under certain circumstances, Record may not engage or disengage immediately (due to having to rewrite memory when a loop was multiplied and new material was added, for example, the Repeater will need to 'write out' the remainder of the loop until it comes back around again). You could, however, control feedback with a pedal or (for more precise and extreme variances) footswitches in order to bring the Record Feedback level rapidly from one level to another. Of course, this operates like normal feedback, after the output, so you wouldn't hear the changes until the loop came back around again. > Does anyone have any opinions on whether it is better to have > two EDPS or > one EDP and a Repeater??? I would recommend the two EDP approach for your stated purposes. Specifically if: - you want a supported product ;-) - you don't want to learn a new product with a different looping paradigm, or don't have time to - you need/want another looper that explicitly supports features only in the EDP The Repeater is an almost completely different device from the EDP. I like it, I use it, you can do some things with it that you can't, or can't as easily, do on any other hardware looper. I rather unhappy that it's not supported, and would not get another one for that reason (unless I wanted to have a hot spare on hand). If you want to play with a different looping paradigm, with it's own delights and troubles (and don't mind owning an unsupported product ;-), then sure. > ARRRGGGGHHHH > the stress of trying to find a looper > cheers > Geoff DON'T PANIC!!! ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 17:19:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MLJ9X15373; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:19:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:19:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:07:53 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Using Boss RC-20 Live To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00cf01c30913$3dd4f120$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20030422210245.86249.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg House" > --- David Beardsley wrote: > > From: "mark" > > > > > So... with the RC-20 is it possible to set up a bunch of blank loops > > > and then fill them during a show? Then toggle between them? > > > > You would have to save the loop before leaving for the next. > > Can it save while it's playing the loop? I'll check this evening (which isn't that far away). * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 17:29:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MLTA916990; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:29:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:29:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <809047.1051046913099.JavaMail.nobody@bert.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:28:32 -0800 (GMT) From: Travis Hartnett To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [Paris Loopfest] I probably wont Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I'm really sorry to here that Stuart... not that I've ever been to >France, but it's sad to hear any situation anywhere where musicians get >the shaft in favor of a CD player. Yeah, but look at it another way: one musician is getting displaced by the work of...another musician. The downside of selling CDs of your music is that someone doesn't have to have you around if they want to hear your music. Of course, Stuart probably isn't being displaced by a CD of his own tunes, but consider the fact that every time a coffeeshop plays your CD, they're not paying some other musican to perform in the same space... TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 17:31:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MLUIj17435; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:30:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:30:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:33:11 +0100 Subject: Re: Repeater HELP ME PLEASE! !!!!! From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <065E5827-7505-11D7-A1DD-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h3MLTiB17059 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You said yes below >> >> Does the repeater have an equivalent of the INSERT function of an EDP. > > Yes. >> Does this insert function work by overwriting a piece of material in the loop (think Andre Lafosse glitch music) or does it work by extending the loop? Can it be controlled on the fly? i.e. so you can control it at will from a programmable midi footswitch. I would buy a second EDP if I could find one for the same price I paid three years ago i.e. £420 but now they are £899 which is totally beyond my budget. Its kind of bizarre trend how quality loopers seem to go up and up in value. Cheers Geoff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 17:35:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MLYPX18250; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:34:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:34:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3084847.1051047213950.JavaMail.nobody@bert.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:33:33 -0800 (GMT) From: Travis Hartnett To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [Paris Loopfest] I probably wont Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stuart said: >I've been absent from the list, the net, life and music in general over >the past month or so. I had a series of computer problems which >resulted in me losing over 6 months of recordings... I've also had a >pile of personal problems (mostly financial) which has made me realise >that I need to get the hell out of Paris. The music scene here sucks... >that is unless you produce euro-pop rehashes of 70's hits. More and >more venues are now resorting to installing CD players, as the >beaurocracy in getting permission for live music is too much hassle, >and there is now a huge crackdown on 'illegal street performances'.... Sorry to hear that. It's always tough to balance "somewhere with an audience for left-of-center art" with "somewhere cheap enough for artists to live and have time to actually do art and not spend all their time making their rent at some dreary day job", and sadly, big cities aren't usually in that intersection. I've seen quite a few friends head off to (usually) New York and find that their artistic income remained the same (or decreased) while their operating expenses went sharply up. Keep at it though--you're on to something. TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 17:43:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MLg4E19713; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:42:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:42:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:42:09 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater HELP ME PLEASE! !!!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: sheila & joe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <4543B480-750B-11D7-A1DD-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h3MLfRB19611 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, April 22, 2003, at 02:33 PM, Geoff Smith wrote: > You said yes below >>> >>> Does the repeater have an equivalent of the INSERT function of an >>> EDP. >> >> Yes. >>> > > Does this insert function work by overwriting a piece of material in > the > loop (think Andre Lafosse glitch music) It replaces the material. That is you can replace (Insert) new material over already existing material. This does not extend the loop length. > > or does it work by extending the > loop? Can it be controlled on the fly? i.e. so you can control it at > will > from a programmable midi footswitch. > > > I would buy a second EDP if I could find one for the same price I paid > three > years ago i.e. £420 but now they are £899 which is totally beyond my > budget. > Its kind of bizarre trend how quality loopers seem to go up and up in > value. > Cheers > Geoff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 17:45:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MLhsW20125; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:43:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:43:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:46:54 +0100 Subject: Re: Repeater HELP ME PLEASE! !!!!! From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002201c30913$6095bb40$470a230a@ws42554> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thankyou Michael I think you have clarified for me that the repeater probably isn't for me. The trouble is the price of the EDP has gone up to such a point that buying a second one at the moment seems out of my reach, although this may not be the case if I investigate further and further and further...... Which leaves me once again trying to find a software solution for my powerbook (which was obtained via grants). There is a french Max/msp programmer that i have spoken to who is trying to create a max/msp patch to emulate the edp but with multiply buffers so you can effectively re-mix the different layers of your loop once its recorded. Hoping he comes up trumps. Going to try to get my psp42 demo to work with max again. Gonna try linux stuff on laptop too eventually, to see if that virtual EDP works. Damm!!! geoff on 22/4/03 10:08 pm, Michael LaMeyer at m.lameyer@verizon.net wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Geoff Smith [mailto:geoff.smith15@btopenworld.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 4:35 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Repeater HELP ME PLEASE! !!!!! >> >> >> Hi everyone >> I have a EDP and am looking at buying a repeater or second EDP >> Little bit desperate for time as I may have found one I can afford. > > Firstly, I'd recommend checking out the manual available online: > http://www.electrixpro.com/support/manuals.html > >> could someone who has used the repeater tell me the following. >> When using my EDP I am used to altering the feedback of the >> loop as its >> playing, can u do this with the repeater? > > You can only alter feedback while recording in Overdub mode. If you Mute > the input to the Repeater somehow (so no audio is being fed to it; you have > to use a mixer or something before the Repeater's input to do this), engage > Overdub mode (or already be in it, easy to do, you could just leave this ON > or engage at whim with a push of a button or sending the appropriate Midi CC > or PC message from the controller of your choice), and then engage Record, > then yes, you would be able to manipulate the feeback (for any and all > tracks engaged for recording, but only tracks so engaged) while it was > 'playing'. You would effectively be recording nothing except the noise > floor of the device on top of the existing material, but this approach would > probably work, though not as cleanly as the EDP. Haven't tried it myself, > but now I will ... ;-) > >> Does the repeater user interface work in such a way as to allow you to >> create 4 independent loops live without stopping playback. >> Can you then >> reverse, fade, individual loops again without stopping >> anything, i.e. is it >> like owning four independent loopers in sync. > > It's actually 4 'tracks' to 1 'loop'. Many functions (pitch, pan, volume, > fx send, record) can operate on a per track basis. So you could fade in/out > individual tracks. Other functions (Reverse, play, loop length, etc.) > affect all 4 tracks equally, by design. It is NOT the equivalent of 4 > INDEPENDENT loopers in sync. It's more of an interactive, real-time (more > or less with some things) 4-track recorder that loops. > >> Does the repeater have an equivalent of the INSERT function of an EDP. > > Not entirely, and not nearly as sophisticated. You can turn Overdub off and > engage Record, it will overwrite any already existing material on the > selected track(s) with the input signal, but you cannot engage/disengage > Record in a rapid fashion at all times. Under certain circumstances, Record > may not engage or disengage immediately (due to having to rewrite memory > when a loop was multiplied and new material was added, for example, the > Repeater will need to 'write out' the remainder of the loop until it comes > back around again). You could, however, control feedback with a pedal or > (for more precise and extreme variances) footswitches in order to bring the > Record Feedback level rapidly from one level to another. Of course, this > operates like normal feedback, after the output, so you wouldn't hear the > changes until the loop came back around again. > >> Does anyone have any opinions on whether it is better to have >> two EDPS or >> one EDP and a Repeater??? > > I would recommend the two EDP approach for your stated purposes. > Specifically if: > > - you want a supported product ;-) > - you don't want to learn a new product with a different looping paradigm, > or don't have time to > - you need/want another looper that explicitly supports features only in the > EDP > > The Repeater is an almost completely different device from the EDP. I like > it, I use it, you can do some things with it that you can't, or can't as > easily, do on any other hardware looper. I rather unhappy that it's not > supported, and would not get another one for that reason (unless I wanted to > have a hot spare on hand). If you want to play with a different looping > paradigm, with it's own delights and troubles (and don't mind owning an > unsupported product ;-), then sure. > >> ARRRGGGGHHHH >> the stress of trying to find a looper >> cheers >> Geoff > > DON'T PANIC!!! > > ;-) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 17:46:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MLkHW20716; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:46:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:46:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:47:42 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: Repeater HELP ME PLEASE! !!!!! In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <024201c30918$cd8f6de0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > could someone who has used the repeater tell me the > following. When using my EDP I am used to altering the > feedback of the loop as its playing, can u do this with the repeater? > yes, but only when overdubbing. > Does the repeater user interface work in such a way as to > allow you to create 4 independent loops live without stopping > playback. Can you then reverse, fade, individual loops again > without stopping anything, i.e. is it like owning four > independent loopers in sync. > i haven't messed much with reverse on the repeater, but otherwise, yes. note: all 4 tracks in a loop must have the same length. > Does the repeater have an equivalent of the INSERT function of an EDP. > no. insert on the edp is very powerful... > Does anyone have any opinions on whether it is better to have > two EDPS or one EDP and a Repeater??? i have one of each and sometimes wish i had two edps. the two combined is pretty cool, but the learning curve is more than double. i guess it depends on what you are doing. i would definitely give up the repeater before the edp. (i considered it when they started going for $1000+ on ebay) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 17:55:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MLsfw22272; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:54:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:54:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030422215407.32546.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:54:07 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: Subject: +++ spring tour realjesus / krankenzimmer 204 +++ To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200304221803.h3MI3Fb07899@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <7Fc3tB.A.pYF.Fobp-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So this jerk sends me the same spam to my personal email address and I have to unsubscribe? 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Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 18:12:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MMCBV25830; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:12:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:12:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EA5BE20.3040304@quik.com> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:11:44 -0700 From: dgoat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Volume pedals References: <3.0.5.32.20030421132151.007a7470@pop.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20030421132151.007a7470@pop.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Goddess wrote: > *laughing* -Am I the only one who doesn't give a load of dingo's > kidneys what type of volume pedal I use?! If you (in the general sense) don't care about true-bypass on all of your effects pedals, then your signal is probably so degraded that a passive volume pedal SUCKING out your tone probably won't be noticed. If, on the other hand, you are obsessed with pristine tone, then all of your effects pedals will be true-bypass, and you'll use an optical volume pedal, or a volume pedal with built-in active buffering to drive long cables. And you'll use ONLY Georgle L's cabling. I suggest the Morley PVO (http://www.morleypedals.com/dpvo.htm), or one of the George Dennis multi-function pedals (http://www.george-dennis.cz). I use the volume/tremelo and it is the quietest vp I've owned yet, I can hear NO self-generated noise or hiss at all! Which is absolutely vital when layering deep loops. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 18:15:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MMEOM26472; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:14:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:14:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030422221349.98722.qmail@web41005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:13:49 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: Repeater HELP ME PLEASE! !!!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200304222048.h3MKmG007926@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> Yes, either with a MIDI board like the FCB1010, or by twiddling a knob after pressing a button. <> No, the loops are like looping a 4 track cassette tape. The length of the loops is dependant upon the first loop that is set. Reverse applies to all or none. Fading individual loops is very easy as you have a dedicated fader for each track. <> I don't know what the EDP does for insert, though the Repeater does have an insert function that allows punch in/out while recording as well as "replace" vs. "overdub" functions. <> Two EDP's will give you two of the same thing. If that's what you want, go for it. Easier learning curve. One of each will give you a lot more variety as they are *very* different machines. One will not do what the other does easily. The Repeater is extremely easy to figure out and has a much more friendly UI. There are a few small issues with the Repeater (that personally plague me not at all) that you may want to look into. Stephen __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 18:33:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MMWIt29030; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:32:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:32:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030422183440.00a4c5a0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: taghairm@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:35:49 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: p koniuto Subject: --GIG-news [Boston] where Boston Loopfest left off...-- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey loopers: I'm quite pleased to announce, beginning one week from today: Sonic Blender: A Looping Event Sonic Blender picks up where Boston Loopfest, held at the Zeitgeist in January, left off. Six performances over two nights, with each act using evolving electronic loops somewhere in their live performance. Expect this to be an exciting and moving musical exploration! As you will see from the set lists below, some of the performers are members of Loopers-Delight. Performance Schedule: April 29, 2003 [9p-midnight] Jorrit Dijkstra Tim Nelson Flutterinversion MC: tbd -- April 30, 2003 [8p-midnight] Micro Vard Soplerfo Up, Down, and Strange MC: WMBR's Ajda the Turkish Queen For links to the individual performers' websites, with sound files, &c, visit: http://www.randomsalt.com/events/sonicblender.php Venue: The Zeitgeist Gallery 1353 Cambridge Street Inman Square, Cambridge, MA Suggested Donation: $10.00 (no one will be turned away for lack of funds) The talent on this bill is colossal! Please join us for what promises to be an evening of diverse and exciting music which has come together under the common theme of the loop. [brought to you by the Council for Sonic Decadence] -peter koniuto ______________________________ Creative Recordist - Composer Red Sun Soundroom Somerville, MA 857-257-6037 (ph) 617-790-0380 (fax) peter@RedSunSoundroom.com ______________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 18:35:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MMYYV29589; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:34:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:34:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 63.89.2.100 Message-ID: <000c01c3091f$04a5d980$8628a8c0@CAMPBEBOWIN2K> From: "astroblue" To: References: <20030422221349.98722.qmail@web41005.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Repeater feedback Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:32:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <2o-xZD.A.7JH.ZNcp-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > < When using my EDP I am used to altering the feedback of the loop as its > playing, can u do this with the repeater?>> > > Yes, either with a MIDI board like the FCB1010, or by twiddling a knob after pressing a > button. an important caveat is that you have to be recording to change the feedback. I found that 'feature' to be odd and in the way. BobC (the original, haha) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 19:37:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3MNWSn04870; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 19:32:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 19:32:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <5f.3874a9f7.2bd72ad6@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 19:31:34 EDT Subject: Re: Here's a tune called Mallorn (Re:Types of music)... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 4/22/03 2:16:10 PM, jlucas@neoprimitive.net writes: << http://www.neoprimitive.net/jlucas/audio/lto/mallorn.mp3 Hope you like. This is what type of music I write. I wasn't sure what to call it in a response to that thread, or maybe I just wasn't willing to label it. But I'd be interested to hear what anyone/everyone else can equate it to. >> I like. Not sure about labels. Brings to mind on first listen a David Von Tieghem, Laswell, Golden Palominos amalgam - which is what, experimental tech-rock? Nice zippy ride. BobC The Thumb Piano Project www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 20:14:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3N09j510795; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 20:09:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 20:09:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c3092c$97651120$0100a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <3A036EC6-74EA-11D7-91C0-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Subject: Re: [Paris Loopfest] I probably wont be here :( Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 01:09:15 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 18:45:PM Subject: [Paris Loopfest] I probably wont be here :( > Hi all, > > I've been absent from the list, the net, life and music in general over > the past month or so. I had a series of computer problems which > resulted in me losing over 6 months of recordings... I've also had a > pile of personal problems (mostly financial) which has made me realise > that I need to get the hell out of Paris. The music scene here sucks... > that is unless you produce euro-pop rehashes of 70's hits. More and > more venues are now resorting to installing CD players, as the > beaurocracy in getting permission for live music is too much hassle, > and there is now a huge crackdown on 'illegal street performances'.... > > I'm giving up. I'm too old/tired/pissed off at having to 'suffer for my > art'... it aint romantic, and its not fun. > > Yup... I'm moving back to the UK (Plymouth)... probably within weeks. > > Re: the loopfest, I've been able to do very little. The venues that > have in-house P.A. systems are fully booked up months in advance... the > earliest that anyone can hope for is towards the winter. Even trying to > find a suitable small venue where I wont have to pay up-front for when > Rick Walker arrives at the end of June has proved impossible... :( > > I need someone to take over control of what I had hoped to start.... > any takers? > > Sorry to let you down guys.... > > - Stu > > P.S. I have 1977 unread LD emails... is there a summary kicking around? What about Prague? I'd heard it was the "Paris" for the 21st Century... Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Other - Quasi-daily Cartoon http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 21:03:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3N13DE18161; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 21:03:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 21:03:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:03:34 -0700 Subject: Re: Here's a tune called Mallorn (Re:Types of music)... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: sheila & joe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <010101c30914$3f6efca0$bf08fc0c@amd> Message-Id: <686254A9-7527-11D7-8C31-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This list never ceases to amaze.. I not up on a lot of current music so I can not give you much in the way of comparisons, (d&b type stuff)... but Im pretty sure you've listened to some of Mick Karn's output. I like you work.... please post more when you have the time. joe On Tuesday, April 22, 2003, at 02:15 PM, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > This is the first of my sequence+EDP tunes. The fretless bass is all > live, > input into the EDP the first time you hear each of the sections. Then > the > sequencer triggers the loops when they make their appearances later, > allowing me to do other things (Rhodes, sample rate decimation, sample > triggering, etc.) in between. > > The vocal sample that sounds somewhat like it's scratched on a > turntable (at > 3:27, and 5:10) is performed live, using an option of the Yamaha A5000 > sampler's pitchbend controller section called "Slow&Reverse." The > bottom > half of the pitch wheel's movement slows the sample down to stop at > -4000, > and then begins to play the sample backwards from -4001 to -8000 (or > whatever the largest negative value of a pitchwheel control message > is). > > The drums were all programmed by hand in the piano roll view in Sonar > (mail > me if you want the MIDI file for study), and the control functions for > the > EDP were written as a MIDI track. There is some sine wave bass around > 20Hz > which may hurt your little PC speakers if you crank it too much. Just > watch > out. I'm no mastering engineer. > > My server has been locking up lately, so if the download doesn't work > now, > try it again in a few hours. > > http://www.neoprimitive.net/jlucas/audio/lto/mallorn.mp3 > > Hope you like. This is what type of music I write. I wasn't sure > what to > call it in a response to that thread, or maybe I just wasn't willing to > label it. But I'd be interested to hear what anyone/everyone else can > equate it to. Tripe, garbage, filth, shite, compulsive twitch, aggro > electro rock, whatever. :) > > -J > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 22:07:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3N26ZC26152; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:06:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:06:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EA5F4FE.7000508@quik.com> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 19:05:50 -0700 From: dgoat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Here's a tune called Mallorn (Re:Types of music)... References: <686254A9-7527-11D7-8C31-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <686254A9-7527-11D7-8C31-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> http://www.neoprimitive.net/jlucas/audio/lto/mallorn.mp3 >> >> Hope you like. This is what type of music I write. I wasn't sure >> what to >> call it in a response to that thread, or maybe I just wasn't willing to >> label it. But I'd be interested to hear what anyone/everyone else can >> equate it to. Tripe, garbage, filth, shite, compulsive twitch, aggro >> electro rock, whatever. :) >> >> -J Wow. Reminds me somewhat of d.t.'s splattercell with some mick karn bass thrown in. Very nice. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 22 22:21:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3N2KJx27605; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:20:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:20:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EA5F837.5000609@quik.com> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 19:19:35 -0700 From: dgoat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New loop project in progress, waiting for listeners... References: <171.1d54e420.2bd18710@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <171.1d54e420.2bd18710@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is something like a musical, looping live journal... http://littlewhales.thedivided.com Feedback welcome. D.G. in Portland From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 01:25:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3N5Mh816047; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 01:22:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 01:22:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030423052207.12770.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:22:07 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Volume pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3EA5BE20.3040304@quik.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- dgoat wrote: > Goddess wrote: > > *laughing* -Am I the only one who doesn't give > a load of dingo's > > kidneys what type of volume pedal I use?! > > > If you (in the general sense) don't care about > true-bypass on all of > your effects pedals, then your signal is probably so > degraded that a > passive volume pedal SUCKING out your tone probably > won't be noticed. I've listened to a few of Cara's MP3s. If that's what she sounds like when her tone is degraded, I'm too depressed to hear her good stuff. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 01:35:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3N5W7O17102; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 01:32:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 01:32:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 22:21:28 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Volume pedals In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4504BFDB-7482-11D7-A67E-0003934CD2FA@zerocrossing.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, April 21, 2003, at 07:18 PM, William R. Walker, wrote: > I can't believe people dog the Ernie Ball volume pedal on this site. Are people putting them down? I asked why volume pedals in general are so expensive. Yeah, I do like my Morley. It's lasted many years with no trouble. It doesn't seem to change my tone at all as far as I can tell. I've also had EB pedals and thought they were good too... until they got scratchy. I guess I just like the idea of a frictionless solution. I don't know much about manufacturing, but I still have a hard time believing a hinged bit of die cast metal and a pot can run you $100. I also have a hard time thinking a bunch of sheet metal, an LED and an optical diode can cost the same. For $30 more you can get the Behringer FCB1010 midi controller. Doesn't that seem odd? Anyone remember the ART pedals that used a kind of bar code like data strip? It was optically read and used to transmit midi data. Kind of like a very crude CD. Anyway, their both good products, I was just trying to understand what it is about them that makes them so expensive compared to what seem to be more complicated pieces of gear. Maybe the question I should be asking is "How the hell can Digitech make a multieffects pedal for $99? I don't know about the guitar one, but a friend bought the BP200 to run her Stick through, and I thought it sounded pretty good. (yeah, she blew all her money on the instrument!) OK, I'm babbling. I didn't mean to cut anyone or anything down. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 01:50:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3N5kvV18396; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 01:46:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 01:46:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1051076789.3ea628b56ed05@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 01:46:29 -0400 From: erwill@cspc.us To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Volume pedals References: <20030423052207.12770.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030423052207.12770.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.177.160 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Goddess wrote: > *laughing* -Am I the only one who doesn't give > a load of dingo's > kidneys what type of volume pedal I use?! Nope. i'd like to point out that robert fripp used the same volume pedal for like 25 years, because he liked the throw of it. it also happened to be the cheapest volume pedal he could find at the time (or was that his fuzz box ...?). point being, he didn't care either. he picked it because it felt good, not because of it's impact on his tone. i myself used a Rolls volume pedal for years because it was cheap and i already had it. i recently fell into a loaned Yamaha MFC with 4 FC7 pedals which i'm using via MIDI to control my volumes now. i gave the Rolls to the shoegazer band i'm recording right now. they don't have any money, and like having the volume pedal. life is good. --- dgoat wrote: > If you (in the general sense) don't care about > true-bypass on all of > your effects pedals, then your signal is probably so > degraded that a > passive volume pedal SUCKING out your tone probably > won't be noticed. what is this thing called "tone-suck"? i've heard alot of guitarists use this term on effects forums and whatnot, but no one bothers to explain the phenomenon quantitavely. is it a subjective term like "phat", or an objective term like "punchy"? FWIW the volume pedal on my Hammond organ (of which there is no equal in feel except maybe the Ernie Ball and the Yamaha FC7) doesn't completely choke the signal at the bottom, has 34 distinct steps (it's a stepped R/C network), and has a completely different EQ curve at the top (flat) than the bottom (bassy). it's quite freakish as a pure volume pedal but it kicks ass musically. happy l00ping, stg/erwill ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 01:58:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3N5tVu19082; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 01:55:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 01:55:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:52:50 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Repeater HELP ME PLEASE! !!!!! In-reply-to: <065E5827-7505-11D7-A1DD-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, April 22, 2003, at 01:57 PM, sheila & joe wrote: >> >> could someone who has used the repeater tell me the following. >> When using my EDP I am used to altering the feedback of the loop as its >> playing, can u do this with the repeater? > > I think this is possible via MIDI It's possible with our without MIDI. One drawback is you can only have feedback when a loop is in record. > >> >> Does anyone have any opinions on whether it is better to have two EDPS >> or >> one EDP and a Repeater??? It truly depends on what you're trying to do. They're both so different... Good luck. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 01:59:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3N5uFS19159; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 01:56:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 01:56:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:55:49 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater HELP ME PLEASE! !!!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <002201c30913$6095bb40$470a230a@ws42554> Message-Id: <3C295BDD-7550-11D7-8CD0-0003934CD2FA@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, April 22, 2003, at 02:08 PM, Michael LaMeyer wrote: > then yes, you would be able to manipulate the feeback (for any and all > tracks engaged for recording, but only tracks so engaged) while it was > 'playing'. You would effectively be recording nothing except the noise > floor of the device on top of the existing material, but this approach > would > probably work, though not as cleanly as the EDP. Haven't tried it > myself, > but now I will ... ;-) I've tried it and it seemed to work great. Reminds me I should go back to that setup... Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 02:47:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3N6jjE23873; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 02:45:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 02:45:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 23:45:23 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Volume pedals In-reply-to: <1051076789.3ea628b56ed05@www.suitandtieguy.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <28611DB0-7557-11D7-8CD0-0003934CD2FA@zerocrossing.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, April 22, 2003, at 10:46 PM, erwill@cspc.us wrote: > > what is this thing called "tone-suck"? i've heard alot of guitarists > use this > term on effects forums and whatnot, but no one bothers to explain the > phenomenon quantitavely. is it a subjective term like "phat", or an > objective > term like "punchy"? Yeah, I've heard this "tone-suck" phrase before, and I've experienced it as well. I think the biggest culpret is a cut in gain. Lower volume=lower perceived bass energy. Add a little gain, you get your tone back... plus some noise. Not bad if you've got a nice strong clean signal. Then again, some cheap gear does suck. I've also experienced some loss in high frequency as well. Nothing that couldn't be dialed back in. Usually my complaint with most guitarists is they're TOO damn bright. The worst tone suck is when you've spent too much time in front of a stack and you can no longer hear the high frequencies that are there. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 03:41:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3N7bU028404; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 03:37:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 03:37:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003101c3096a$e9da7f60$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <00d901c30900$d3ebc5c0$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> <010101c30914$3f6efca0$bf08fc0c@amd> Subject: Re: Here's a tune called Mallorn (Re:Types of music)... Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 01:35:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com great work jesse. killer as usual amigo! hey i just met a drummer from arora, marcus reddick. do you know him, drummer/percussionist? very very good. also played last night at the blu mule with scott davis, drummer for opie gone bad. also very very good. want to come out and play...? nice work j. jg ----- Original Message ----- From: Jesse Ray Lucas To: Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 3:15 PM Subject: Here's a tune called Mallorn (Re:Types of music)... > This is the first of my sequence+EDP tunes. The fretless bass is all live, > input into the EDP the first time you hear each of the sections. Then the > sequencer triggers the loops when they make their appearances later, > allowing me to do other things (Rhodes, sample rate decimation, sample > triggering, etc.) in between. > > The vocal sample that sounds somewhat like it's scratched on a turntable (at > 3:27, and 5:10) is performed live, using an option of the Yamaha A5000 > sampler's pitchbend controller section called "Slow&Reverse." The bottom > half of the pitch wheel's movement slows the sample down to stop at -4000, > and then begins to play the sample backwards from -4001 to -8000 (or > whatever the largest negative value of a pitchwheel control message is). > > The drums were all programmed by hand in the piano roll view in Sonar (mail > me if you want the MIDI file for study), and the control functions for the > EDP were written as a MIDI track. There is some sine wave bass around 20Hz > which may hurt your little PC speakers if you crank it too much. Just watch > out. I'm no mastering engineer. > > My server has been locking up lately, so if the download doesn't work now, > try it again in a few hours. > > http://www.neoprimitive.net/jlucas/audio/lto/mallorn.mp3 > > Hope you like. This is what type of music I write. I wasn't sure what to > call it in a response to that thread, or maybe I just wasn't willing to > label it. But I'd be interested to hear what anyone/everyone else can > equate it to. Tripe, garbage, filth, shite, compulsive twitch, aggro > electro rock, whatever. :) > > -J > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 04:18:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3N8GZj32166; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 04:16:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 04:16:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <3c.2e8b0b4c.2bd7a5b5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 04:15:49 EDT Subject: hello from new member... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3c.2e8b0b4c.2bd7a5b5_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_3c.2e8b0b4c.2bd7a5b5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi- Just joined this group the other night. I had stumbled across the LD website once before, but didn't check it out because I assumed (I know, my bad) it was about the kind of "looping" connected with the Acid software series (I have nothing against Acid, I just don't use that program,yet). Then, while searching for info about the Akai Headrush box, I discovered what LD is really about- a pleasant surprise! I got into looping with reel-to-reel tape machines in 1976, at age 16. I had worked like a dog during the summer of '75 to get my first dinky little analog modular synthesizer. A friend had "liberated" a Sony TC-630 tape machine from our high school music department after discovering it abandoned and forgotten in some dark corner. I used the Sony for sound-on-sound experiments initially. Then, I borrowed another R-R tape machine from an acquaintance, and threaded both machines up, thanks to the diagram Eno thoughtfully provided on the back of his Discrete Music lp. Wow, what a mindblower! A quantum leap in my musical explorations. The last 10 years or so I've mostly been doing midi loops with a sequencer, which I use like a tape recorder- no quantizing or metronomes for me! I still thread up some tape machines occaisionally, though for what I'm into, the midi loops are the primary foundation. I'm interested in getting into some of the current long-delay devices, and I am especially curious to know if there are any units that will sync to a midi clock (as a slave, not the master clock)- would someone please enlighten me about this? Judging from the number of posts I've been getting,this is a very active group! That's good- I need some stimulation! Looking forward to more interesting info/discussions... Namaste, Tim Fluharty --part1_3c.2e8b0b4c.2bd7a5b5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi-
Just joined this group the other night. I had stumbled across the LD website= once before, but didn't check it out because I assumed (I know, my bad) it=20= was about the kind of "looping" connected with the Acid software series (I h= ave nothing against Acid, I just don't use that program,yet). Then, while se= arching for info about the Akai Headrush box, I discovered what LD is really= about- a pleasant surprise!

I got into looping with reel-to-reel tape machines in 1976, at age 16. I had= worked like a dog during the summer of '75 to get my first dinky little ana= log modular synthesizer. A friend had "liberated" a Sony TC-630 tape machine= from our high school music department after discovering it abandoned and fo= rgotten in some dark corner. I used the Sony for sound-on-sound experiments=20= initially. Then, I borrowed another R-R tape machine from an acquaintance, a= nd threaded both machines up, thanks to the diagram Eno thoughtfully provide= d on the back of his Discrete Music lp. Wow, what a mindblower! A quantum le= ap in my musical explorations.

The last 10 years or so I've mostly been doing midi loops with a sequencer,=20= which I use like a tape recorder- no quantizing or metronomes for me! I stil= l thread up some tape machines occaisionally, though for what I'm into, the=20= midi loops are the primary foundation. I'm interested in getting into some o= f the current long-delay devices, and I am especially curious to know if the= re are any units that will sync to a midi clock (as a slave, not the master=20= clock)- would someone please enlighten me about this?

Judging from the number of posts I've been getting,this is a very active gro= up! That's good- I need some stimulation!

Looking forward to more interesting info/discussions...

Namaste,

Tim Fluharty
 --part1_3c.2e8b0b4c.2bd7a5b5_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 05:00:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3N8xNb05279; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 04:59:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 04:59:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <67.efa4876.2bd7afac@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 04:58:20 EDT Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V03 #274 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >A simple passive tone control shouldn't actually lower the amount of low > >frequency energy in your signal. > > the high output impedance of a bass/guitar pickup can interact with the > resistor of a passive volume control to create a filter. The same thing can > happen with volume controls mounted on the bass/guitar. oftentimes > capacitors are added inside guitars to compensate. Yes, but in that case it's the highs that are rolled off. ...and if you use the vol ped the right way round, so that the amp connects to the wiper on the pot (and not the pickup) it shouldn't happen. I've heard this high frequency roll-off with a Morley pedal. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 05:12:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3N9BwJ06312; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 05:11:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 05:11:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <022a01c30978$562c5fa0$bf08fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <00d901c30900$d3ebc5c0$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> <010101c30914$3f6efca0$bf08fc0c@amd> <003101c3096a$e9da7f60$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> Subject: Audio tweak tips for WinXP users... Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 03:11:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you're doing hard disk recording on Windows XP you might check out this site for some performance tweaks: http://www.musicxp.net My latency was 11ms before. After the tweaks I got it down to 5ms. It'll almost do 3ms, but not quite. Aardvark claims 1.5ms latency on a 1.5Ghz machine, but mine's a 1.7Ghz. Maybe it's the AMD CPU??? Does RAM affect latency? -Jesse From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 05:50:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3N9kp109420; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 05:46:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 05:46:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <72.2ce7d854.2bd7bae5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 05:46:13 EDT Subject: Equalizers for room resonance? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry 'bout this OT. ..and for losing the original posts. but this is for the guy who asked about equalizers for his loop studio, which had a room resonance problem. 1) first try re-positioning speakers, maybe further from the walls 2) I have a similar problem with a decent hifi in a small living room, and sometimes use the Behringer Ultragain (with parametric EQ) to reduce the problem. I don't notice any sound degradation with this, but the result isn't "studio accurate". 3) Graphic EQ is used in some high end studios to compensate for room sound, but usually quite small adjustments. 4) You'll also have to deal with higher harmonics of the resonance. 5) EQ will never "solve" this problem, only help to make it less noticeable. 6) Large studios spend vast sums of money to purpose build a room that doesn't have these sorts of problems 7) There's a thing called a "bass trap" , a large box designed to soak up room resonances at specific frequencies. Probably too big for your room. 8) Move house. this is a common problem, and usually no easy solution. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 06:52:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NAn0O15318; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 06:49:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 06:49:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008a01c30985$d750c140$0100a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <00d901c30900$d3ebc5c0$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> <010101c30914$3f6efca0$bf08fc0c@amd> <003101c3096a$e9da7f60$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> <022a01c30978$562c5fa0$bf08fc0c@amd> Subject: Re: Audio tweak tips for WinXP users... Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:48:08 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <9gsE6D.A.1uD.x9mp-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 10:11:AM Subject: Audio tweak tips for WinXP users... > If you're doing hard disk recording on Windows XP you might check out this > site for some performance tweaks: > > http://www.musicxp.net > > My latency was 11ms before. After the tweaks I got it down to 5ms. It'll > almost do 3ms, but not quite. > > Aardvark claims 1.5ms latency on a 1.5Ghz machine, but mine's a 1.7Ghz. > Maybe it's the AMD CPU??? Does RAM affect latency? If there's not enough of it it does. What's the motherboard you're using? Its cache size can affect everything. Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Other - Quasi-daily Cartoon http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 07:49:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NBjF420289; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 07:45:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 07:45:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: faisal@mail.interfree.it Message-Id: Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:42:47 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: faisal moro Subject: Electrix Mo'Fx, any opinions? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi all was wondering if any of you uses the Mo'Fx. i'd like to knpw something about it, i've found an used one that is really cheap so i was thinking about getting it. hot topics are audio quality, midi control possibilities and similar issues. thanks! Faisal From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 08:40:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NCd7126116; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:39:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:39:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006f01c308f2$863899b0$bf08fc0c@amd> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030311124855.01619ec0@pop.free.fr> <002f01c2e7d6$0d5929c0$a538fc0c@amd> <006f01c308f2$863899b0$bf08fc0c@amd> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:39:01 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP ReAlign vs. QuantStartPoint... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Matthias- > > Thanks for responding. I'm still not sure about the answer to this >question, but I got things to work in the situation that I was working on, >so I didn't press it. > > Part of the issue was resolved in my sequencer. Sonar has an option in >the sync menu called "Use Start, Never Continue." By default Sonar is set >to send a Song Continue message when you begin playing the track from >anywhere but the beginning of the tune. This meant that I had to put in >ReAlign messages all over (which sometimes worked and sometimes >didn't to get the clock back in time, and I still don't understand >ReAlign or >QuantStartPoint), for the EDP. It also meant that my sampler would >not sync its LFO to clock unless I started playing the track from >the beginning. >Using the "Use Start, Never Continue" option sends a Song Start message >regardless of where you start listening from. Apparently devices want that >Start Song signal to realign their clocks to. I dont know about "devices", but the EDP will reset the global clock counter when a StartSong arrives so there is no way to ReAlign after that. Continue just makes the global counter go on, so you can ReAlign to that. > > However, there are some strange issues that still remain. I have >Quantize OFF now, but for some reason some of the DirectMIDI >commands that I wrote into my EDP control track ahead of the beat >(when it was set to >Quantize 8th) still work like Quantize was on. some? which? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 08:41:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NCdOT26126; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:39:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:39:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030422100226.04d685f0@loopers-delight.com> References: <002501c30826$74464e90$bf08fc0c@amd> <5.1.1.6.2.20030422100226.04d685f0@loopers-delight.com> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:39:11 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Volume pedals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 09:09 AM 4/22/2003, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >>On Monday, April 21, 2003, at 09:52 AM, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: >> >>>The only bummer about a passive volume pedal is that there seems >>>to be a low frequency roll-off as you decrease the volume. Not >>>good for bass players. >> >>A simple passive tone control shouldn't actually lower the amount >>of low frequency energy in your signal. > >the high output impedance of a bass/guitar pickup can interact with >the resistor of a passive volume control to create a filter. The >same thing can happen with volume controls mounted on the >bass/guitar. oftentimes capacitors are added inside guitars to >compensate. > >kim oh yes, never use a volume pedal directly after a passive instrument! place it after some stomp box so a pot value below 100kOhm can be used. Mark asked: >Thanks for the info Kim. I wonder if my EMGs with their active >pickup compensates for this on some level... Yes, thats a solution -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 08:44:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NChXq26767; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:43:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:43:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4821561.1050350046931.JavaMail.sginn@mac.com> References: <4821561.1050350046931.JavaMail.sginn@mac.com> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:43:53 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Using midi to control tempo on EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <0k5AlD.A.3hG.opop-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hi Kim, > >ok, according the LoopIV upgrade manual about TempoSelect, the tempo >can be fine tuned with the insert and mute buttons. In order to >facilitate the use of these two buttons, could these buttons be >mapped to a couple of buttons on a pedal? Aren't these two buttons >essentially acting as what the manual calls a "DataWheel"? Can the >DataWheel be controlled by a midi continuous controller that is able >to automatically increment or decrement just by holding the button >rather than pressing it multiple times? this fine tune function has been created in the last few days before releasing, so its not realy ripe, just better than nothing :-) No, the "DataWheel" is the the Feedback knob for coarse regulation. It originally had the same CC as Feedback but then we thought this was confusing and left it without MIDI control. >Also, how does Overdub work while in SyncRecord mode? From my >understanding of the manual, once the tempo has been selected, the >beginning and ending points of the loop/cycle are already defined. No, only after you do a Record, which can be over several cycles. >Can drones be recorded in predefined lengths using this method and >should Overdub be used in these cases to create a smooth drone? Just like without sync, you: - press Record - fade the note in - (after a while) press Overdub - (after a while) fade the note out - press Overdub > >On Monday, April 14, 2003, at 12:08PM, Kim Flint > wrote: > >>At 09:55 AM 4/12/2003, Steve Ginn wrote: >>>I am wondering if this is possible ... >>> >>>I would like to program my footpedal to have some base starting tempos for >>>the EDP (IV) and then have two pedals programmed that could >>>increment/decrement in +-1 or +-5 bpm values to adjust the tempo in real >>>time. >> >>In LoopIV you can set tempos in advance of recording a loop using the >>TempoSelect feature. These tempos can then be saved in a preset. In this >>way, you can recall a predefined tempo by simply sending a midi program >>change command to select that preset. (or select it from the front panel >>while in reset.) >> >>Once you have a tempo set, you can also fine tune it in the TempoSelect >>mode. Check the LoopIV manual for details. >> -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 09:35:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NDWUo01367; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:32:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:32:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:31:31 -0400 From: Paulzric@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: pedaling volume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <5F15F909.79A2FBF6.007D6382@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com gear for sale here, gear for sale...spend all yer money...step right up...gear quality is more important than practicing scales...step right up and don't you be shy! ;) (couldn't help m'self...I'm a gear geek too. just thought I'd play around a bit. although practicing does tend, for me, to slip when i'm busier routing cables.) Types of Music: I'd like to blather about this a bit. Music is the only thing that is going to save us from the mind-suck planetization process that is striping people of their ability to judge quality. Independent music that is, not the comercial pabulum that is tube fed to our youth. We have a duty to use our art and our tools to remind people that music is an artform, not a browser option. We have to sweep clear the chemical and electromagnetic noise that is permeating our consciousness. We do this through disliterate musical definitions. When choosing what "type" of music my mp3s were to be called on mp3.com, I was frustrated to have them pigeon holed. They're not "ambient" any more than they are "abstract." They are explorations of the ether guided by my flabergasted muse, joyful to be together. That's my type. Adieu. www.mp3.com/cphere From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 09:36:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NDXcL01540; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:33:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:33:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:33:11 -0400 From: Paulzric@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: hello from new member... MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <695AFA53.34650478.007D6382@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'm interested in getting into some of the current long-delay devices, and I am especially curious to know if there are any units that will sync to a midi clock... The only device worth your time...the EDP. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 11:29:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NFPLD15847; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:25:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:25:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030423152439.88259.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:24:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Using Boss RC-20 Live To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20030422104727.01a77dd8@www.deathrattlerecords.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Soren wrote: > Are the following conclusions/assumptions correct? > 3. To over-dub an EXISTING loop, the process is the EXACT SAME, except that > the existing loop MUST be playing when you press the left > pedal. Furthermore, over-dub is similar to the Repeater, in that you can > not go directly from recording a new loop to over-dubbing; but, instead, > you have to wait for one initial play cycle (or portion thereof). FWIW, you don't need to wait an entire loop cycle to get the Repeater into overdub, you can start overdubbing as quickly as you can hit the record button again. It just won't transition from initial loop recording to overdubbing with one button press like the EDP will. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 11:58:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NFsaJ19418; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:54:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:54:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:53:54 -0700 Subject: Re: Using Boss RC-20 Live Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030423152439.88259.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <3lYjQD.A.OuE.Ucrp-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, April 23, 2003, at 08:24 AM, Greg House wrote: > It just won't transition from initial loop recording to overdubbing > with one button press like the EDP will. > True be that. The reason it won't go right into overdub is that it has to write some silence at the beginning and end of the loop for the trim function. I *never* use that function, but some may find it useful. A work around I've learned to use is to just first record a blank loop. Since a lot of what I do is synced to a sequence, it doesn't matter. Since the Repeater's loops are non volatile I can do this ahead of time. Then it's just a matter of selecting a loop that corresponds to the sequence and whoop there it is. Kind of like treading a tape machine with a specific length of tape. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 12:04:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NG0u121702; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:00:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:00:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.121.72.97] X-Originating-Email: [jdwinger@hotmail.com] From: "James Winger" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Matthias - IMG? Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:00:12 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Apr 2003 16:00:12.0465 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C23C210:01C309B1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi hi Matthias' On your web page, I noticed par of a guitar body you are holding looks like the old Ibanez IMG-2010...is this so? _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 12:09:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NG68h22788; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:06:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:06:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20030423100041.01a69de0@www.deathrattlerecords.com> X-Sender: soren%deathrattlerecords.com@www.deathrattlerecords.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:03:51 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Soren Subject: Re: Using Boss RC-20 Live In-Reply-To: References: <20030423152439.88259.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is an excellent idea. One of those, "why didn't I think of that?!" ideas. Thanks! BTW, I have officially abandoned the idea of purchasing an RC-20 and, instead, purchased a Boomerang for live "hands free" use. Thanks again to all!! -Soren. > A work around I've learned to use is to just first record a blank > loop. Since a lot of what I do is synced to a sequence, it doesn't > matter. Since the Repeater's loops are non volatile I can do this ahead > of time. Then it's just a matter of selecting a loop that corresponds to > the sequence and whoop there it is. Kind of like treading a tape machine > with a specific length of tape. > >Mark Sottilaro > Forbidden Songs For Fallen Souls @ www.ForbiddenSongs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 12:11:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NG7oi23020; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:07:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:07:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:07:07 -0700 Subject: Re: hello from new member... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <695AFA53.34650478.007D6382@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Unless of course you can find a Repeater on eBay and get a stereo looper for half the price you'd pay for a mono EDP. just playing devil's advocate... Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, April 23, 2003, at 06:33 AM, Paulzric@aol.com wrote: >> I'm interested in getting into some of the current long-delay >> devices, and I am especially curious to know if there are any units >> that will sync to a midi clock... > > The only device worth your time...the EDP. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 12:14:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NGAnC23816; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:10:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:10:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:10:00 -0700 Subject: Re: Electrix Mo'Fx, any opinions? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <092B0D2B-75A6-11D7-8EFB-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <-c91oD.A.2wF.brrp-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Very cool device! Syncs very well to a midi clock and is very midi controllable. For an inexpensive device it's really great. I must admit, I sold mine to fund a more expensive Korg KAOSS Pad II. If space and money were no object, I'd have them both! Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, April 23, 2003, at 04:42 AM, faisal moro wrote: > hi all > > was wondering if any of you uses the Mo'Fx. > i'd like to knpw something about it, i've found an used one that is > really cheap so i was thinking about getting it. > > hot topics are audio quality, midi control possibilities and similar > issues. > > thanks! > Faisal > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 12:54:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NGrGu29577; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:53:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:53:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:53:16 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Matthias - IMG? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hi hi Matthias' > >On your web page, I noticed par of a guitar body you are holding >looks like the old Ibanez IMG-2010...is this so? no, I play PARADIS for 15years, and before it was a "paradized" Kramer -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 12:54:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NGsHg29800; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:54:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:54:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030423094529.04cc3718@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:54:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Audio tweak tips for WinXP users... In-Reply-To: <008a01c30985$d750c140$0100a8c0@eluk> References: <00d901c30900$d3ebc5c0$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> <010101c30914$3f6efca0$bf08fc0c@amd> <003101c3096a$e9da7f60$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> <022a01c30978$562c5fa0$bf08fc0c@amd> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com they don't put cache on motherboards anymore, it's integrated in the CPU. what century are you in? more likely the difference is from the FSB frequency, memory frequency and type, and the chipset used. Chipsets can have a lot of variation in performance. It can also depend on how many other devices you have competing for bandwidth on the PCI bus. kim At 03:48 AM 4/23/2003, Steve Goodman wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" > > If you're doing hard disk recording on Windows XP you might check out this > > site for some performance tweaks: > > > > http://www.musicxp.net > > > > My latency was 11ms before. After the tweaks I got it down to 5ms. It'll > > almost do 3ms, but not quite. > > > > Aardvark claims 1.5ms latency on a 1.5Ghz machine, but mine's a 1.7Ghz. > > Maybe it's the AMD CPU??? Does RAM affect latency? > >If there's not enough of it it does. What's the motherboard you're using? >Its cache size can affect everything. > >Steve Goodman ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 12:58:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NGvxc30525; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:57:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:57:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c309b8$7fe8c6e0$32f80dd5@nuno> From: "Nuno Climaco Pinto" To: References: <20030423152439.88259.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Using Boss RC-20 Live Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 17:50:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello everyone. I have lurking for a wille, and this is my first post. In relation to the topic.: Yes it does! Record a loop in a blank track, and when you stop, the overdub function engages itself automaticly. With just another record press and your in overdub-land. I use this constantly. Best. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg House" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 4:24 PM Subject: Re: Using Boss RC-20 Live > --- Soren wrote: > > Are the following conclusions/assumptions correct? > > > 3. To over-dub an EXISTING loop, the process is the EXACT SAME, except that > > the existing loop MUST be playing when you press the left > > pedal. Furthermore, over-dub is similar to the Repeater, in that you can > > not go directly from recording a new loop to over-dubbing; but, instead, > > you have to wait for one initial play cycle (or portion thereof). > > FWIW, you don't need to wait an entire loop cycle to get the Repeater into > overdub, you can start overdubbing as quickly as you can hit the record button > again. It just won't transition from initial loop recording to overdubbing with > one button press like the EDP will. > > Greg > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > http://search.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 13:04:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NH49e32640; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:04:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:04:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c309ba$420fbac0$0100a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <00d901c30900$d3ebc5c0$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> <010101c30914$3f6efca0$bf08fc0c@amd> <003101c3096a$e9da7f60$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> <022a01c30978$562c5fa0$bf08fc0c@amd> <5.1.1.6.2.20030423094529.04cc3718@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Audio tweak tips for WinXP users... Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:03:20 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com He didn't say what century he got his motherboard in. Think first, yes? > they don't put cache on motherboards anymore, it's integrated in the CPU. > what century are you in? > > more likely the difference is from the FSB frequency, memory frequency and > type, and the chipset used. Chipsets can have a lot of variation in > performance. It can also depend on how many other devices you have > competing for bandwidth on the PCI bus. > > kim > > At 03:48 AM 4/23/2003, Steve Goodman wrote: > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" > > > If you're doing hard disk recording on Windows XP you might check out this > > > site for some performance tweaks: > > > > > > http://www.musicxp.net > > > > > > My latency was 11ms before. After the tweaks I got it down to 5ms. It'll > > > almost do 3ms, but not quite. > > > > > > Aardvark claims 1.5ms latency on a 1.5Ghz machine, but mine's a 1.7Ghz. > > > Maybe it's the AMD CPU??? Does RAM affect latency? > > > >If there's not enough of it it does. What's the motherboard you're using? > >Its cache size can affect everything. > > > >Steve Goodman > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 13:12:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NHAIi01132; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:10:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:10:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:09:33 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: Volume pedals From: Travis To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <5ABFF27C-75AE-11D7-8ADE-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, April 22, 2003, at 10:46 PM, erwill@cspc.us wrote: > > what is this thing called "tone-suck"? i've heard alot of guitarists > use this > term on effects forums and whatnot, but no one bothers to explain the > phenomenon quantitavely. is it a subjective term like "phat", or an > objective > term like "punchy"? > The quick way to find out is to plug into a piece of gear, play something short, then quickly unplug the thing in question and plug straight into your amp and play the same thing. If you notice no difference then either a) you've got a really transparent piece of gear [rare] or b) it's not something that you personally are going to notice [lucky you, or maybe not]. With many effects, adding them to your signal chain produces a decrease in volume (which may be more pronounced in some frequencies than others), an increase in noise, and a diminished sense of "immediency" to the response of your amp to your instrument. The last effect is usually only apparent to the person who's playing, and it's similar to the difference between playing a tube amp and a good tube amp model. The "feel" is different, and often less desirable. Some people believe that "true bypass" desirable for effects, which means that when the effect is turned off, it sounds the same as a straight wire to the amp (assuming only one effect in this case). In practice, this is very, very difficult to achieve, although many boxes get close enough for practical use. However, once the effect is turned on, all sorts of things can happen in addition to the desired effect (chorus, wah, whatever). The impedence seen by your guitar, the amp, other effects can change with the effect in-line, the level can change (with vintage effects, the result was almost an increase in frequency response and volume) and so on. You have to decide if the good outweighs the bad, or whether the bad can be made better. Other people believe (effects guru Pete Cornish for instance) that a buffer amp should always be in line, to insure that no matter what you put in or out of the chain, the guitar sees the same load. Various manufacturers sell things that purport to do this (VHT's valvulator, Cornish, plenty of others). Active pickups can also help in this situation. I'm sure that there are some technical points that others on the list with an actual engineering background could elaborate on. TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 13:17:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NHHAk02053; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:17:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:17:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:07:56 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Re: hello from new member... In-Reply-To: <3c.2e8b0b4c.2bd7a5b5@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: <0f0052616171743PCOW035M@blueyonder.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Welcome. Ian. At 09:15 23/04/03 , you wrote: > > Hi- > Just joined this group the other night. I had stumbled across the LD website > once before, but didn't check it out because I assumed (I know, my bad) it > was about the kind of "looping" connected with the Acid software series (I > have nothing against Acid, I just don't use that program,yet). Then, while > searching for info about the Akai Headrush box, I discovered what LD is > really about- a pleasant surprise! > > I got into looping with reel-to-reel tape machines in 1976, at age 16. I had > worked like a dog during the summer of '75 to get my first dinky little > analog modular synthesizer. A friend had "liberated" a Sony TC-630 tape > machine from our high school music department after discovering it abandoned > and forgotten in some dark corner. I used the Sony for sound-on-sound > experiments initially. Then, I borrowed another R-R tape machine from an > acquaintance, and threaded both machines up, thanks to the diagram Eno > thoughtfully provided on the back of his Discrete Music lp. Wow, what a > mindblower! A quantum leap in my musical explorations. > > The last 10 years or so I've mostly been doing midi loops with a sequencer, > which I use like a tape recorder- no quantizing or metronomes for me! I still > thread up some tape machines occaisionally, though for what I'm into, the > midi loops are the primary foundation. I'm interested in getting into some of > the current long-delay devices, and I am especially curious to know if there > are any units that will sync to a midi clock (as a slave, not the master > clock)- would someone please enlighten me about this? > > Judging from the number of posts I've been getting,this is a very active > group! That's good- I need some stimulation! > > Looking forward to more interesting info/discussions... > > Namaste, > > Tim Fluharty From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 13:27:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NHNq002937; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:23:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:23:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:23:21 -0700 Subject: Re: Volume pedals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200304230950.h3N9oNr09888@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: <4851300C-75B0-11D7-8ADE-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My guess would be that things with moving parts tend to cost more than things with fewer moving parts. And things made in expensive-to-live-in countries cost more than in cheap-to-live-in countries. And, the manufacturing formula includes percentages for profit for the manufacturer, the distributor, and the final vendor. If a box costs twenty dollars to make (parts, labor, overhead), and the manufacturer sells it for forty bucks to the distributor who sells it for eighty bucks to the dealer who sells it to you for 100 bucks, there you have it. Personally, I've used Ernie Ball volume pedals for fifteen years, and they lasted me about five years between rebuilds, and that was with heavy, heavy use three or four times a week (swelling in almost all phrases). I always kept mine on a pedalboard, and maybe I was lucky to play in cleaner venues (although they didn't look that clean). I found they weren't terribly transparent, but they felt better than anything else. I also use the Visual Volume pedals, and they're very transparent, but not as good ergonomically (your foot sits up higher, and they're made of much thinner metal). And to me, the Behringer looked cheaply made. I've got a soft touch with the foot, but the Behringer looked like it would just wear out (like the old DOD switches). TH On Wednesday, April 23, 2003, at 02:50 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > I don't know much about manufacturing, but I still have a hard time > believing a hinged bit of die cast metal and a pot can run you $100. > I also have a hard time thinking a bunch of sheet metal, an LED and an > optical diode can cost the same. For $30 more you can get the > Behringer FCB1010 midi controller. Doesn't that seem odd? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 13:32:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NHTD103785; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:29:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:29:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:28:38 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: Audio tweak tips for WinXP users... In-reply-to: <001201c309ba$420fbac0$0100a8c0@eluk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <02e601c309bd$c71ecfa0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com let's see... 1.7GHz... hmmmmm... i think maybe he got it in this century. > > He didn't say what century he got his motherboard in. Think > first, yes? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 13:39:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NHaQX04626; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:36:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:36:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:35:48 +0200 Subject: Re: [Paris Loopfest] I probably wont be here :( Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <003401c3092c$97651120$0100a8c0@eluk> Message-Id: <05530154-75B2-11D7-91C0-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com - On Tuesday, April 22, 2003, at 08:15 pm, mark wrote: > My way of dealing with a similar bent in the states is to totally > separate my money making endeavors from my music making endeavors. > I've never been happier. Good luck. Thats one thing that I am trying to do. I don't like having to rely upon my music to put bread on the table, hence the need to move back to the UK. My contract at work finishes next week, and the job situation here is pretty bad - especially for foreigners.... :( The recent crack-downs on 'street begging' (which, alas, I fall into that category) means that Paris will soon be a distant memory. - On Wednesday, April 23, 2003, at 12:28 am, Travis Hartnett wrote: > ... but consider the fact that every time a coffeeshop plays your CD, > they're not paying some other musican to perform in the same space... France does not have the coffeeshop scene that the US/UK has. In fact, I dont really know any venue other than a noisy pub that will have live music without you having to pay up-front. The scene here is completely different/non-existant from any other place I have ever been to. - On Wednesday, April 23, 2003, at 02:09 am, Steve Goodman wrote: > What about Prague? I'd heard it was the "Paris" for the 21st > Century... I'd love to try somewhere new... but alas, I don't have the finances or the energy to try something completely new at this moment. Maybe I'll get around there and visit one of these days. I'm going to take the easy option and head back to my old home town (Plymouth), at least for a while. I have many friends there who will happily take onboard a charity case for a short while whilst he gets his shit together :) I've had one job lead already, to give a residency workshop at a prestigious music school - teaching them my version of live looping and giving violinists an opportunity to try instruments with extra strings... which is one job lead more than I have ever had in the 3.5 years of living in gay Paris. Another bonus is that the UK seems quite open to street entertainers.... In other words, I think I'm making the right decision.... I just wish that I could have gotten this Paris loopfest off of the ground.... Hhhhmmm.... Plymouth loopfest anyone? :) - Stu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 13:45:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NHfKi05419; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:41:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:41:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Audio tweak tips for WinXP users... Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:40:33 -0400 Message-ID: <001b01c309bf$71748110$2f2f04d1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030423094529.04cc3718@loopers-delight.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How exactly do you test latency? Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > > My latency was 11ms before. After the tweaks I got it > down to 5ms. > > > It'll almost do 3ms, but not quite. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 13:55:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NHpnS06899; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:51:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:51:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007f01c309c0$eae5b7c0$0100a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <02e601c309bd$c71ecfa0$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: Audio tweak tips for WinXP users... Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:44:24 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Palmer" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 18:28:PM Subject: RE: Audio tweak tips for WinXP users... > let's see... 1.7GHz... > hmmmmm... > > i think maybe he got it in this century. Not if he's overclocking the shit out of it. > > > > > He didn't say what century he got his motherboard in. Think > > first, yes? > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 13:55:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NHqPc07017; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:52:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:52:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008101c309c0$ec788cc0$0100a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <00d901c30900$d3ebc5c0$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> <010101c30914$3f6efca0$bf08fc0c@amd> <003101c3096a$e9da7f60$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> <022a01c30978$562c5fa0$bf08fc0c@amd> <5.1.1.6.2.20030423094529.04cc3718@loopers-delight.com> <001201c309ba$420fbac0$0100a8c0@eluk> Subject: Re: Audio tweak tips for WinXP users... Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:50:43 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I stand corrected on the caching issue. But I still have better manners when dispensing technical info. > > they don't put cache on motherboards anymore, it's integrated in the CPU. > > what century are you in? > > > > more likely the difference is from the FSB frequency, memory frequency and > > type, and the chipset used. Chipsets can have a lot of variation in > > performance. It can also depend on how many other devices you have > > competing for bandwidth on the PCI bus. > > > > kim > > > > At 03:48 AM 4/23/2003, Steve Goodman wrote: > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" > > > > If you're doing hard disk recording on Windows XP you might check out > this > > > > site for some performance tweaks: > > > > > > > > http://www.musicxp.net > > > > > > > > My latency was 11ms before. After the tweaks I got it down to 5ms. > It'll > > > > almost do 3ms, but not quite. > > > > > > > > Aardvark claims 1.5ms latency on a 1.5Ghz machine, but mine's a > 1.7Ghz. > > > > Maybe it's the AMD CPU??? Does RAM affect latency? > > > > > >If there's not enough of it it does. What's the motherboard you're > using? > > >Its cache size can affect everything. > > > > > >Steve Goodman > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 14:00:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NHpqW06911; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:51:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:51:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008001c309c0$eb9e5960$0100a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <05530154-75B2-11D7-91C0-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Subject: Re: [Paris Loopfest] I probably wont be here :( Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:50:00 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 18:35:PM Subject: Re: [Paris Loopfest] I probably wont be here :( > > - On Tuesday, April 22, 2003, at 08:15 pm, mark wrote: > > My way of dealing with a similar bent in the states is to totally > > separate my money making endeavors from my music making endeavors. > > I've never been happier. Good luck. > > Thats one thing that I am trying to do. I don't like having to rely > upon my music to put bread on the table, hence the need to move back to > the UK. My contract at work finishes next week, and the job situation > here is pretty bad - especially for foreigners.... :( > > The recent crack-downs on 'street begging' (which, alas, I fall into > that category) means that Paris will soon be a distant memory. > > - On Wednesday, April 23, 2003, at 12:28 am, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > ... but consider the fact that every time a coffeeshop plays your CD, > > they're not paying some other musican to perform in the same space... > > France does not have the coffeeshop scene that the US/UK has. In fact, > I dont really know any venue other than a noisy pub that will have live > music without you having to pay up-front. The scene here is completely > different/non-existant from any other place I have ever been to. I wasn't aware that the coffeeshop scene in the UK allowed for live music. Last week I popped into a place that's apparently a kind of 'unplugged mecca' in the UK (I'm told this by a former member of Meat Beat Manifesto) called the Troubador. It's just off Earls Court Road, and has an impressive soundstage in the basement, but the crappiest food or service one can imagine. The olives were were served must have been off for months, and they didn't have any lager that wasn't in a bottle. Improvements on this must exist somewhere. Steve L? > - On Wednesday, April 23, 2003, at 02:09 am, Steve Goodman wrote: > > What about Prague? I'd heard it was the "Paris" for the 21st > > Century... > > I'd love to try somewhere new... but alas, I don't have the finances or > the energy to try something completely new at this moment. Maybe I'll > get around there and visit one of these days. I'm going to take the > easy option and head back to my old home town (Plymouth), at least for > a while. I have many friends there who will happily take onboard a > charity case for a short while whilst he gets his shit together :) I understand THAT one, believe me. I'm finally going to be able to go back to LA to clear out my storage - after over 2.5 years over here. Right now the possibility exists that the trip happens sometime around May 15, but could change when better-priced tickets emerge. Right now Virgin's offering a London-LA return flight for £229, which ain't bad for a nice, wide seat like they have. Frankly we've spent too much money for the storage - $80 a month! Do the math! - and something has to be done. I originally wanted to get back to the LA area in April, 2001, for a pair of good friends' wedding, but the financial situation in the UK pretty much collapsed right around the time I got here, Oct 2000. Anyway I'll keep those of you who're interested informed. Given interest I might even schlepp my gear... Good luck Stu. Plymouth's about 3+ hours train ride from London, but not unreachable. :) Revd. Norle Enturbulata "Church" of Cartoonism * "This volume probably contains more promises and less evidence per page than has any publication since the invention of printing." - Review of "Dianetics", Scientific American, 1951 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 14:01:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NHvi108266; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:57:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:57:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EA6D519.7030501@ispwest.com> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:02:01 -0700 From: Doug Michael User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boss DD-20 References: <001b01c309bf$71748110$2f2f04d1@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, Has anyone looped with the Boss DD-20? They advertise sound-on-sound and 23 seconds of delay time.. Seems like a decent looper pedal. Doug Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 14:01:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NHwBJ08329; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:58:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:58:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.120.99.26] X-Originating-Email: [jdwinger@hotmail.com] From: "James Winger" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Matthias - IMG? Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:57:30 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Apr 2003 17:57:31.0160 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF876180:01C309C1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ah, the shape where the upper bouts would be is similar From: Matthias Grob Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Matthias - IMG? Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:53:16 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from mc4-f4.law16.hotmail.com ([65.54.237.139]) by mc4-s16.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:54:03 -0700 Received: from hemlock.violacea.com ([207.228.238.9]) by mc4-f4.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:53:15 -0700 Received: (from looper@localhost)by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NGqhD29478;Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:52:43 -0400 X-Message-Info: U2wzkPk8/jY+2Rb9QfHMIlJ42TgmT9Zi Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:52:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Return-Path: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Apr 2003 16:53:16.0398 (UTC) FILETIME=[D5E960E0:01C309B8] >Hi hi Matthias' > >On your web page, I noticed par of a guitar body you are holding looks like >the old Ibanez IMG-2010...is this so? no, I play PARADIS for 15years, and before it was a "paradized" Kramer -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 14:01:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NHwQN08349; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:58:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:58:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030423105653.02ac1b10@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:58:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Audio tweak tips for WinXP users... In-Reply-To: <02e601c309bd$c71ecfa0$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <001201c309ba$420fbac0$0100a8c0@eluk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com exactly. Think first. At 10:28 AM 4/23/2003, Jim Palmer wrote: >let's see... 1.7GHz... >hmmmmm... > >i think maybe he got it in this century. > > > > > > He didn't say what century he got his motherboard in. Think > > first, yes? ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 14:07:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NI5ZV11088; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:05:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:05:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:04:50 +0200 Subject: Repeater Price/EDP price Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <139E0114-75B6-11D7-91C0-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Whilst I dearly love my Repeater, I'm really starting to think that it really is the wrong box for me. I never use the tap tempo, rarely sync to midi clock, I don't really utilise the 4 tracks and never play around with the pitch/slip options. I was brought up using the DL4's organic style of looping, and the EDP is probably the ideal looping box for me. Hell, I think I'd be able to create more with a bank of echo pro's that what I am managing with the Repeater.... Whilst I know that ideally, I would definitely utilise fully both units should I have them, my desire for the organic features of the EDP override my equipment lust and greed.... So my question is this: What price do the Repeaters go for second hand? And what price are the new EDP+'s? I've not found them for sale here in France yet, and a quick search online has come up with zilch. Also, would it be feasible to offer my Repeater in exchange for an EDP+?.... questions questions questions :) Cheers all. :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 14:10:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NI8Q911740; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:08:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:08:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <194.181237df.2bd8306d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:07:41 EDT Subject: Re: Re: Volume pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > The quick way to find out is to plug into a piece of gear, play > something short, then quickly unplug the thing in question and plug > straight into your amp and play the same thing. ...but remember you're now using one lead rather than 2, so any improvement could be down to that From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 14:12:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NI8Xh11750; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:08:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:08:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.238.19.35] X-Original-From: "Weg" Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:06:43 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss DD-20 X-Mailer: WebMail Version 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Weg Message-Id: <20030423.140657.4811.35705@wm9.nyc.untd.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I ordered one of these but it's on back order and should be in soon.... Has anyone played with one of these yet? Weg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 14:12:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NI9aA11883; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:09:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:09:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:08:46 +0200 Subject: Re: [Paris Loopfest] I probably wont be here :( Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <008001c309c0$eb9e5960$0100a8c0@eluk> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h3NI8nB11780 Resent-Message-ID: <5Z2rkB.A.T4C.xatp-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, April 23, 2003, at 07:50 pm, Steve Goodman wrote: > Good luck Stu. Plymouth's about 3+ hours train ride from London, but > not > unreachable. :) Yeah I know :) Its actually the same time-wise Paris->London, but the price is a little steeper compared to traveling within the UK. I think the cheapest Eurostar ticket is about 70 Euro's, whereas I paid £20 for a return ticket Plymouth->London.... Hell... I might actually be able to meet up with you people in real life soon :) - Stu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 14:23:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NIIY813145; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:18:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:18:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030423105849.0515c2f0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:18:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Audio tweak tips for WinXP users... In-Reply-To: <001b01c309bf$71748110$2f2f04d1@home> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030423094529.04cc3718@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <_RQFv.A.YMD.Sjtp-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was wondering also, which latency? Audio in? Audio out? audio round-trip in to out? Is there some processing in the middle? I often wonder what exactly people are measuring when they talk about latency. kim At 10:40 AM 4/23/2003, future perfect wrote: >How exactly do you test latency? > > > > > > > > > My latency was 11ms before. After the tweaks I got it > > down to 5ms. > > > > It'll almost do 3ms, but not quite. > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 14:39:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NIZsK15540; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:35:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:35:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:32:34 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Using Boss RC-20 Live To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000901c309c6$b67373a0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20030422210245.86249.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5_s93B.A.RxD.jztp-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg House" > --- David Beardsley wrote: > > From: "mark" > > > > > So... with the RC-20 is it possible to set up a bunch of blank loops > > > and then fill them during a show? Then toggle between them? > > > > You would have to save the loop before leaving for the next. > > Can it save while it's playing the loop? No. Pressing the write button makes the loop stop. * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 14:47:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NIkvb17287; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:46:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:46:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c309c8$9f13f3e0$0100a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <001201c309ba$420fbac0$0100a8c0@eluk> <5.1.1.6.2.20030423105653.02ac1b10@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Audio tweak tips for WinXP users... Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:46:10 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Manners. > exactly. Think first. > > At 10:28 AM 4/23/2003, Jim Palmer wrote: > >let's see... 1.7GHz... > >hmmmmm... > > > >i think maybe he got it in this century. > > > > > > > > > > He didn't say what century he got his motherboard in. Think > > > first, yes? > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 14:49:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NInIg17713; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:49:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:49:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030423184828.23447.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:48:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: hello from new member... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com devil's advocate wrote: > Unless of course you can find a Repeater on eBay and > get a stereo looper for half the price you'd pay for > a mono EDP. I've seen lots of EDPs (including new blonde ones) in the $600-$700 range, but I've yet to see a Repeater on eBay or elsewhere for $300 to $350 (or I woulda bought one!) -t- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 15:28:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NJP9m23658; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:25:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:25:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:22:59 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater Price/EDP price Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <139E0114-75B6-11D7-91C0-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <0WAG-C.A.ivF.8gup-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I sold my second Repeater to fund the purchase of an EDP+ and it would have worked out perfectly, as I got $810 for the Repeater. (but then I ended up having to pay more to the IRS, so that sucks) Who bought it? A French looper who had a friend living in the states take shipping and then fwd it on over to him. So that makes me think that Repeaters are a bit more valuable over there. Anyway, why not put it on ebay and see what happens? Mark On Wednesday, April 23, 2003, at 11:04 AM, Stuart Wyatt wrote: > Whilst I dearly love my Repeater, I'm really starting to think that it > really is the wrong box for me. I never use the tap tempo, rarely sync > to midi clock, I don't really utilise the 4 tracks and never play > around with the pitch/slip options. I was brought up using the DL4's > organic style of looping, and the EDP is probably the ideal looping > box for me. Hell, I think I'd be able to create more with a bank of > echo pro's that what I am managing with the Repeater.... > > Whilst I know that ideally, I would definitely utilise fully both > units should I have them, my desire for the organic features of the > EDP override my equipment lust and greed.... > > So my question is this: What price do the Repeaters go for second > hand? And what price are the new EDP+'s? I've not found them for sale > here in France yet, and a quick search online has come up with zilch. > > Also, would it be feasible to offer my Repeater in exchange for an > EDP+?.... questions questions questions :) > > Cheers all. :) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 15:32:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NJSoS24218; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:28:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:28:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:28:10 -0700 Subject: Re: hello from new member... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030423184828.23447.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <20D5DC.A.F4F.Rlup-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wooops, my mistake, I meant to say "what you'd pay for a stereo EDP" (which doesn't exist so you'd have to buy two) So you'd get a repeater for about $600 and two EDPs would cost you $1200. Stereo is a big deal for me, so that's why the Repeater wins for the studio. When I get the EDP it will be mainly for live work...until I get (of course) a second one. Mark On Wednesday, April 23, 2003, at 11:48 AM, Tim Nelson wrote: > devil's advocate wrote: >> Unless of course you can find a Repeater on eBay and >> get a stereo looper for half the price you'd pay for >> a mono EDP. > > I've seen lots of EDPs (including new blonde ones) in > the $600-$700 range, but I've yet to see a Repeater on > eBay or elsewhere for $300 to $350 (or I woulda bought > one!) > > -t- > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > http://search.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 15:42:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NJdKY25806; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:39:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:39:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:38:28 -0700 Subject: Re: Here's a tune called Mallorn (Re:Types of music)... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <003101c3096a$e9da7f60$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> Message-Id: <28641852-75C3-11D7-939E-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Beautiful piece! NICE. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 15:43:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NJeIm25934; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:40:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:40:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.14.93.11] X-Originating-Email: [armyofpie@hotmail.com] From: "Will Wright" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: (OT)video projector rental Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:39:34 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Apr 2003 19:39:34.0732 (UTC) FILETIME=[117650C0:01C309D0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is there any one of you in the vague san-francisco/bay area who has a video projector that you would be willing to rent out? Or know of a place with decent rates? We are having a benefit party for our burning man camp and all the people who promised projectors (and other things) seem to not actually have access to a projector to promise... Ah the joys of event planning. We need to show two movies and a bunch of shorts so we need one that won't overheat under that kind of use. We are happy to pay a reasonable rental fee and will also return the projector with a new bulb. If anyone can help please email me at armyofpie@hotmail.com, thanks for your time, sorry to wander so very far off topic. Will Wright Army of Pie _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 15:51:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NJjVc27190; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:45:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:45:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:44:44 -0700 Subject: Re: Volume pedals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <0819E10C-75C4-11D7-939E-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, April 23, 2003, at 05:39 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: > oh yes, never use a volume pedal directly after a passive instrument! > place it after some stomp box so a pot value below 100kOhm can be used. I tell you, I've always loved the sound of active EMG pickups, and I guess this is yet another benefit. That and the Transtrem were the reasons I went for a Steinberger guitar, and stay with it. I guess the other reason I haven't been hearing the frequency rolloff is because I never use a volume pedal after the instrument anyway. At the very worst I put it in an effects loop. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 16:21:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NKKHQ32554; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:20:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:20:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030423201848.69990.qmail@web41005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:18:48 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: Equalizers for room resonance? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200304231727.h3NHRH003408@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andy Butler wrote: <<>> SVG writes: That would be me, yes. <<<1) first try re-positioning speakers, maybe further from the walls>>>> Done that, the bass decreases slightly though the 63Hz tone is still just as prominent. <<<2) I have a similar problem with a decent hifi in a small living room, and sometimes use the Behringer Ultragain (with parametric EQ) to reduce the problem. I don't notice any sound degradation with this, but the result isn't "studio accurate". 3) Graphic EQ is used in some high end studios to compensate for room sound, but usually quite small adjustments. 4) You'll also have to deal with higher harmonics of the resonance.>>> Functionally, this is the only frequency that I have an issue with. It is caused (I believe) by the floor to ceiling height of 9'3" (around 63 Hz, or "B" an octave below middle C, aka B3). The harmonics of this frequency are noticable though well under control. <<<5) EQ will never "solve" this problem, only help to make it less noticeable.>>> That's all I'm looking for, somewhat of a decrease in that particular resonance. <<<6) Large studios spend vast sums of money to purpose build a room that doesn't have these sorts of problems>>> So do these large studios mix down their tapes with a cut around 63Hz knowing that most living room situations emphasize this frequency? I'm not sure why this particular frequency doesn't make more of a stir in DIY recording tips. Then again, I don't really notice it when I'm listening to music, just when I'm in the ultra pristine environment of my keyboard studio. <<<7) There's a thing called a "bass trap" , a large box designed to soak up room resonances at specific frequencies. Probably too big for your room.>>> I am actually looking into this now. Going through my old college texts on musical acoustics and seeing if a bass trap is feasable. I build marimbas for a living and some of my bass instruments use "sonotubes" which are just round cardboard tubes used for concrete pillars. I was thinking of making one of two of these (12" diameter, a hair over 4' tall) and placing them in the room. <<<8) Move house.>>> Into a house that doesn't have 9' ceilings? Or that has floor and ceilings that are not parallel to each other? Almost everywhere I've ever lived, this has been an issue. In my garage studio, the ceiling drops 12" over 20'. The resonance isn't anywhere near as problematic in there. Unfortunately, that's not my main studio anymore. I use it as a rehearsal space for my band. I should explain here that I play keyboards and this phenomenon is most noticable with electric piano type patches or any patch that has a strong fundamental. Acoustic piano patches don't seem to have as strong a fundamental. Anyway, everytime I play B2 (63Hz), the sound just booms forth. It's quite disconcerting, my natural reaction is to think that I just hit the note too hard. Imagine all you guitar players, that every time you hit a certain note, it was way out of balance. It'd drive you batty for sure. If the bass trap idea doesn't work, I'll look into a parametric. The original question was... will the Behringer T1951 Ultra Q Tube Processor for $140 give me what I'm looking for at great cost to my already pristine sound? I can turn my 350 watt amp up all the way, put my ear up to the speaker and only faintly detect any noise. Not true of most gear that I've owned. So what's the noise floor like on the Behringer? Am I better off spending 10 times that amount just to preserve the rest of the sound? Perhaps it's just time to lean on Guitar Center and take advatage of their 30 day return policy to see what it is that I need. Thanks Andy and others for your replies, Stephen __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 16:22:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NKMHR00680; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:22:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:22:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:21:26 -0400 From: Paulzric@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: hello from new member... MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1014F615.2D270EDB.007D6382@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 4/23/2003 1:48:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, psychle62@yahoo.com writes: > I've seen lots of EDPs (including new blonde ones) in > the $600-$700 range I bought my EDP for $350.00 used from Guitar Center, upgraded to Loop IV, found a Lake Butler Mitigator for $150.00 and DANG it's fun! Now I just gotta find a bass player a drummer and a didgeridoo player, in Detroit. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 16:29:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NKSST01698; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:28:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:28:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <03d401c309d6$c7606320$bf08fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <00d901c30900$d3ebc5c0$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> <010101c30914$3f6efca0$bf08fc0c@amd> <003101c3096a$e9da7f60$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> <022a01c30978$562c5fa0$bf08fc0c@amd> <5.1.1.6.2.20030423094529.04cc3718@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Audio tweak tips for WinXP users... Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:27:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <8IbJtC.A.mY.Cdvp-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve- It's a Shuttle AK31A v3.1 (I believe is what it's called), with an AMD 1.7Ghz CPU, and the VIA KT266A chipset. I know that VIA, traditionally, does not make the best chipset for audio, but the machine was cheap, so I went with it. It works pretty damn well. I'm headed for an upgrade to a mobo with an Intel chipset, and at least 512MB of RAM to dedicate to Kontakt, Reaktor (maybe), AudioMulch and Sonar. -J > > > Aardvark claims 1.5ms latency on a 1.5Ghz machine, but mine's a 1.7Ghz. > > > Maybe it's the AMD CPU??? Does RAM affect latency? > > > >If there's not enough of it it does. What's the motherboard you're using? > >Its cache size can affect everything. > > > >Steve Goodman From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 18:57:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NMueO01352; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:56:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:56:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c309eb$7f112360$0100a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <28641852-75C3-11D7-939E-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Here's a tune called Mallorn (Re:Types of music)... Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 23:55:38 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, I must say, very very nice. Love the bass work. Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Other - Quasi-daily Cartoon http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 20:38:PM Subject: Re: Here's a tune called Mallorn (Re:Types of music)... > Beautiful piece! > > NICE. > > Mark Sottilaro > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 19:16:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NNFpe04897; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:15:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:15:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c309ee$2dbcf310$b0d8399d@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> From: "looper @ jump/cut" To: References: <20030423.140657.4811.35705@wm9.nyc.untd.com> Subject: Re: Boss DD-20 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:15:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3718.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3718.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm dying to get my hands on one of theses ... all places I checked have not gotten them in yet. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Weg" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 11:06 AM Subject: Re: Boss DD-20 > > Hi all, > I ordered one of these but it's on back order and should be in soon.... Has anyone played with one of these yet? > > > Weg > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 20:12:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3O08gX11424; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:08:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:08:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 01:10:31 +0100 Subject: Re: hello from new member... From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030423184828.23447.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h3O081B11292 Resent-Message-ID: <6vkpnB.A.uwC.iryp-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com where can u buy an EDP for $600? (thats about £400) here in England an Edp now retails at £899 which is the equivalent of about 1450 us dollars. £400 Thats the price I've been looking for. I could finally satisfy my desire for a second EDP. Geoff on 23/4/03 7:48 pm, Tim Nelson at psychle62@yahoo.com wrote: > devil's advocate wrote: >> Unless of course you can find a Repeater on eBay and >> get a stereo looper for half the price you'd pay for >> a mono EDP. > > I've seen lots of EDPs (including new blonde ones) in > the $600-$700 range, but I've yet to see a Repeater on > eBay or elsewhere for $300 to $350 (or I woulda bought > one!) > > -t- > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > http://search.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 20:12:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3O08rI11460; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:08:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:08:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 01:11:46 +0100 Subject: Re: [Paris Loopfest] I probably wont be here :( From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <05530154-75B2-11D7-91C0-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Which prestigious music school? I am at Dartington college of arts you should get in contact with Catherine Laws head of music performance to try to secure a residency there too as its just up the road. They are supposed to pay visiting musicians quite well. And of course I'd get to see you perform!!! Cheers Geoff p.s. plymouth loopstock why not!!! on 23/4/03 6:35 pm, Stuart Wyatt at loopersdelight@solostring.com wrote: > > - On Tuesday, April 22, 2003, at 08:15 pm, mark wrote: >> My way of dealing with a similar bent in the states is to totally >> separate my money making endeavors from my music making endeavors. >> I've never been happier. Good luck. > > Thats one thing that I am trying to do. I don't like having to rely > upon my music to put bread on the table, hence the need to move back to > the UK. My contract at work finishes next week, and the job situation > here is pretty bad - especially for foreigners.... :( > > The recent crack-downs on 'street begging' (which, alas, I fall into > that category) means that Paris will soon be a distant memory. > > - On Wednesday, April 23, 2003, at 12:28 am, Travis Hartnett wrote: >> ... but consider the fact that every time a coffeeshop plays your CD, >> they're not paying some other musican to perform in the same space... > > France does not have the coffeeshop scene that the US/UK has. In fact, > I dont really know any venue other than a noisy pub that will have live > music without you having to pay up-front. The scene here is completely > different/non-existant from any other place I have ever been to. > > - On Wednesday, April 23, 2003, at 02:09 am, Steve Goodman wrote: >> What about Prague? I'd heard it was the "Paris" for the 21st >> Century... > > I'd love to try somewhere new... but alas, I don't have the finances or > the energy to try something completely new at this moment. Maybe I'll > get around there and visit one of these days. I'm going to take the > easy option and head back to my old home town (Plymouth), at least for > a while. I have many friends there who will happily take onboard a > charity case for a short while whilst he gets his shit together :) > > I've had one job lead already, to give a residency workshop at a > prestigious music school - teaching them my version of live looping and > giving violinists an opportunity to try instruments with extra > strings... which is one job lead more than I have ever had in the 3.5 > years of living in gay Paris. Another bonus is that the UK seems quite > open to street entertainers.... > > In other words, I think I'm making the right decision.... > > I just wish that I could have gotten this Paris loopfest off of the > ground.... Hhhhmmm.... Plymouth loopfest anyone? :) > > - Stu > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 20:28:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3O0Rxr14090; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:27:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:27:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 01:31:02 +0100 Subject: Re: hello from new member... From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1014F615.2D270EDB.007D6382@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jesus!!! an EDP for $350 any tips on how to repeat this feat of genius. Geoff on 23/4/03 9:21 pm, Paulzric@aol.com at Paulzric@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/23/2003 1:48:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, > psychle62@yahoo.com writes: > >> I've seen lots of EDPs (including new blonde ones) in >> the $600-$700 range > > I bought my EDP for $350.00 used from Guitar Center, upgraded to Loop IV, > found a Lake Butler Mitigator for $150.00 and DANG it's fun! Now I just gotta > find a bass player a drummer and a didgeridoo player, in Detroit. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 20:35:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3O0Yhj15163; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:34:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:34:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030424003428.37110.qmail@web21507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 17:34:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: hello from new member... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com www.altomusic.com has the blondes for $699 with the foot controller. --- Geoff Smith wrote: > where can u buy an EDP for $600? (thats about £400) > > here in England an Edp now retails at £899 which is > the equivalent of about > 1450 us dollars. > £400 Thats the price I've been looking for. > I could finally satisfy my desire for a second EDP. > Geoff > > on 23/4/03 7:48 pm, Tim Nelson at > psychle62@yahoo.com wrote: > > > devil's advocate wrote: > >> Unless of course you can find a Repeater on eBay > and > >> get a stereo looper for half the price you'd pay > for > >> a mono EDP. > > > > I've seen lots of EDPs (including new blonde ones) > in > > the $600-$700 range, but I've yet to see a > Repeater on > > eBay or elsewhere for $300 to $350 (or I woulda > bought > > one!) > > > > -t- > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 20:39:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3O0d1d15706; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:39:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:39:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Used EDPs at $550 apiece Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 17:38:33 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2525720396&category=3278 That's two count 'em two EDPs for $1100 buy it now price! Gary -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Smith [mailto:geoff.smith15@btopenworld.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 5:11 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: hello from new member... where can u buy an EDP for $600? (thats about £400) here in England an Edp now retails at £899 which is the equivalent of about 1450 us dollars. £400 Thats the price I've been looking for. I could finally satisfy my desire for a second EDP. Geoff on 23/4/03 7:48 pm, Tim Nelson at psychle62@yahoo.com wrote: > devil's advocate wrote: >> Unless of course you can find a Repeater on eBay and >> get a stereo looper for half the price you'd pay for >> a mono EDP. > > I've seen lots of EDPs (including new blonde ones) in > the $600-$700 range, but I've yet to see a Repeater on > eBay or elsewhere for $300 to $350 (or I woulda bought > one!) > > -t- > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > http://search.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 20:49:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3O0mxL16863; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:48:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:48:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 01:52:04 +0100 Subject: Re: Used EDPs at $550 apiece From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h3O0maB16787 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com unfortunately can only afford one and the buyer won't ship to england. thankyou for your help though Geoff on 24/4/03 1:38 am, Clayton Gary Lehmann at healthquestrecruiter@earthlink.net wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2525720396&category=3278 > > That's two count 'em two EDPs for $1100 buy it now price! > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: Geoff Smith [mailto:geoff.smith15@btopenworld.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 5:11 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: hello from new member... > > > where can u buy an EDP for $600? (thats about £400) > > here in England an Edp now retails at £899 which is the equivalent of about > 1450 us dollars. > £400 Thats the price I've been looking for. > I could finally satisfy my desire for a second EDP. > Geoff > > on 23/4/03 7:48 pm, Tim Nelson at psychle62@yahoo.com wrote: > >> devil's advocate wrote: >>> Unless of course you can find a Repeater on eBay and >>> get a stereo looper for half the price you'd pay for >>> a mono EDP. >> >> I've seen lots of EDPs (including new blonde ones) in >> the $600-$700 range, but I've yet to see a Repeater on >> eBay or elsewhere for $300 to $350 (or I woulda bought >> one!) >> >> -t- >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo >> http://search.yahoo.com >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 21:16:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3O1FC420410; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 21:15:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 21:15:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008101c309ff$129b8b80$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: (gigspam) Loop Sanctuary: The Art Of The Dreamscape Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 21:16:02 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This Friday April 25th 2003 - dreamSTATE will perform at Loop Sanctuary: The Art Of The Dreamscape with Sara Ayers & Mindspawn - (7:30pm) at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, 2125 Burdett Avenue, Troy, New York (518) 274-7793 http://www.saraayers.com/loopsanctuary/website/index.htm This will be the first dreamSTATE show in the US and my first solo flight, as Jamie won't be able to make this event. I'm really looking forward to hearing & meeting Mindspawn, whose dark ambient works I have admired for many years and to re-experiencing Sara Ayers live. Sara played a wonderful set at the Ping last year - as haunting as her very etherial CDs. There's also a good chance we'll all improvise together to conclude the night's performances. http://www.mindspawn.com http://www.saraayers.com This is a free concert with visuals by Twisted Pair. (BTW: Sara uses a Boomerang, I'll be bringing my EDP and Line6 - Mindspawn probably loops with brain probes.) Also BTW - Groovy live photos have just been uploaded from selected dreamSTATE concerts in 2002 with Susanna Hood, James Johnson, Wally Jericho, Steven Sauve and Deep Chill Network as well as our set at Art System opening for ambient pioneer Robert Rich. Have a look at http://www.dreamstate.to/events.htm Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 23 23:53:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3O3nsj08980; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 23:49:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 23:49:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <11.fb411f3.2bd8b8ba@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 23:49:14 EDT Subject: Re: hello from new member... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_11.fb411f3.2bd8b8ba_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_11.fb411f3.2bd8b8ba_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/23/03 4:17:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Fsksync@aol.com writes: > I need some stimulation! > welcome tim.....got any tunes?.....michael --part1_11.fb411f3.2bd8b8ba_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 4/23/0= 3 4:17:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Fsksync@aol.com writes:


I need some stimulation!


welcome tim.....got any tunes?.....michael --part1_11.fb411f3.2bd8b8ba_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 24 00:29:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3O4MMx14067; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 00:22:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 00:22:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:05:06 -0700 From: glenn Subject: Re: hello from new member... In-reply-to: <20030423184828.23447.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com there was a repeater closed at $450 a couple of weeks back on 4/23/03 11:48 AM, Tim Nelson at psychle62@yahoo.com wrote: > devil's advocate wrote: >> Unless of course you can find a Repeater on eBay and >> get a stereo looper for half the price you'd pay for >> a mono EDP. > > I've seen lots of EDPs (including new blonde ones) in > the $600-$700 range, but I've yet to see a Repeater on > eBay or elsewhere for $300 to $350 (or I woulda bought > one!) > > -t- > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > http://search.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 24 00:54:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3O4q0n18020; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 00:52:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 00:52:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 00:47:49 -0400 To: Recipient List Suppressed:; From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance @eHive, Boston MA 4.26.03 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <08VZ9B.A.9XE.S12p-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Folks, I'll be doing video improvisations as part of a multi-media event called eHive, on Saturday April 26, at a friendly warehouse near you (at least if you are in the Boston area),. The event goes from 10 PM - 4AM, and is FREE. However, you MUST go to http://www.eHive.org/ to sign up in advance or you will not be admitted. You can see more details at the site. I will be performing with Au.x -> live downtempo IDM, from 11PM to 12:30 AM. From the eHive site: Come check out eHive 2 at Warehouse 23 in Boston, Saturday, April 26th. The best alien minds from Boston and NYC team up to show you the future in art, video and music! Toilet-plunger midi drums and live video turntables team up to give you the one-two punch! Strange sounds matched by stranger visuals will overtake your mind and give you out-of-body experiences. This is on the down low so only RSVP's will gain entry. To get on the list, submit the following form. You will be sent a confirmation email that includes directions . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 24 03:56:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3O7pUU05472; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 03:51:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 03:51:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <71.3002b9e6.2bd8f133@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 03:50:11 EDT Subject: Re: hello from new member... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_71.3002b9e6.2bd8f133_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_71.3002b9e6.2bd8f133_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/23/03 8:50:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: > welcome tim.....got any tunes?.....michael Thanks for the welcome, Michael (and Ian). Got tunes, but not accessable by internet at present... hopefully soon. Tim --part1_71.3002b9e6.2bd8f133_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 4/23/03 8:50:09 PM Pacific Daylight= Time, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes:

welcome tim.....got any tunes?.= ....michael

Thanks for the welcome, Michael (and Ian). Got tunes, but not accessable by=20= internet at present...  hopefully soon.

Tim
 --part1_71.3002b9e6.2bd8f133_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 24 05:47:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3O9i7l16622; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 05:44:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 05:44:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <195.193d2485.2bd90bc3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 05:43:31 EDT Subject: Loop Music for download To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got a track for download on www.andybutler.com using a number of loop4 EDP tricks. there will be more andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 24 11:04:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3OF2lE19801; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:02:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:02:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 10:02:00 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: howie day on carson daly (acoustic/vocal loops) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com fyi: i saw howie day (singer/songwriter, youngish looking guy) on carson daly (i taped it, can't stay up that late) from Tues nite. he played some acoustic/singer/songwriter thingie (which was decent), but the cool thing i saw was that at the end of the song he was hitting some buttons on the floor and he started a acoustic rhythm loop, and added to it, then hit another button and did a quick little vocal loop. this probably went on for a minute or so at the end of the song. it was quite cool to see live on a relatively "mainstream" tv show. tv didn't show the floor pedals he was using, but i just checked some fan page site for him, and it looks like his setup has 2 line 6 delay modelers (DL4). he also had during certain parts of his song certain echo/delay things going on his voice to give emphasis. pretty interesting performance i thought. thought i'd share. s--- -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 24 11:08:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3OF7XP20898; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:07:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:07:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:06:41 -0400 From: Paulzric@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop Music for download MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2BF81C64.6393CBB5.007D6382@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <1ZemYD.A.RFF.Q2_p-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Really cool, Andy. I liked the warble effect you achieve at the end of lengthy notes. How is that accomplished? You are really using the EDP very musically. (I assume this is your looping tool.) Come to think of it... Can this kind of thing be accomplished with the Repeater? I read lots about it on this site, and a recent 'zine (Recording Musician or EQ or some such monthly pub.) featured the Art of Looping and the article featured many tools but not the EDP. The author seemed taken by the Repeater and I suppose I'll have to look it up on google. I know nothing about what it offers, but I'm very happy with the EDP, the power of which is fitfully exemplified on this mp3 of Andy's. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 24 11:14:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3OFELj22112; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:14:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:14:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EA801DA.DF4ED163@erols.com> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:25:14 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: howie day on carson daly (acoustic/vocal loops) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Scott Hansen wrote: > fyi: i saw howie day (singer/songwriter, youngish looking guy) > on carson daly (i taped it, can't stay up that late) from Tues nite. > he played some acoustic/singer/songwriter thingie (which was decent), but > the cool thing i saw was that at the end of the song he was > hitting some buttons on the floor and he started a acoustic rhythm > loop, and added to it, then hit another button and did a quick > little vocal loop. this probably went on for a minute or so at the > end of the song. it was quite cool to see live on a relatively > "mainstream" tv show. tv didn't show the floor pedals he was using, but > i just checked some fan page site for him, and it looks like his setup > has 2 line 6 delay modelers (DL4). he also had during certain parts of > his song certain echo/delay things going on his voice to give emphasis. > pretty interesting performance i thought. thought i'd share. > s--- > -- I saw Howie Day on Carson Daily as well. Personally, I'm a big fan. Musically, I do a lot of similar things because I'm also a singer/songwriter who incorporates looping. As for his gear. He has one pedalboard for his guitar(DL-4, Boss DD-5, Boss OC-2) and one pedalpoard for his voice(DD-5, DL-4, some other stuff too). He keeps his signal paths seperate. His album Austrailia is really good. No looping on it as far as I can tell. However, next week, a new Howie Day EP will be released. From what I read, a companion DVD comes with it. The DVD is supposed to be a live performance(probably with a lot of looping) Anyway, I'll certainly check it out and send a review to this list. John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 24 14:18:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3OIC0611992; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 14:12:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 14:12:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030424181059.29496.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:10:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Loop Music for download To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <195.193d2485.2bd90bc3@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > I've got a track for download on > www.andybutler.com > using a number of loop4 EDP tricks. Very nice, Andy. Thanks for posting it! > there will be more I'm looking forward to hearing them. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 24 15:44:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3OJYgj22695; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 15:34:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 15:34:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Pedal Response with Echoplex Digital Pro using "In" Loop Mode Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:33:45 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all-- I bought a Boss FV-50L pedal to use with my EDP. Haven't used it much as I use MIDI to control my loops--but then I discovered the "In" mode and liked it--but I find that the response curve isn't right in this mode. What's funny is that the curve is fine in the Loop Mode--shows the right response on the display--but there isn't a display in most of the other modes, and I can tell by listening that the input is only really happening at the end of the throw of the 50L. What gives? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 24 17:25:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3OLJEJ04861; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 17:19:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 17:19:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008101c30aa7$42722960$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents The Foundry Tour Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 17:19:58 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 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As a long form piece stretching over 70 minutes in length "Slow Heat" completely envelopes the listener, taking them on a languid journey through new spaces, different places. The whisper of the night breeze, the quiet hiss of the cooling earth, it's all here flowing in time with slow musical passes that enhance the experience, adding a sensuality and human warmth to this beautiful atmosphere. The desert fascinates me, and through "Slow Heat" I can hear it's call to me become even stronger... "Slow Heat" is available now through *ping things* online at http://www.pingthings.com Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com to be updated on all the latest releases on sale at PiNG THiNGS. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday May 6th - RADiO iN AMBiENCE Part 1 This is a special presentation for the Deep Wireless "celebration of Radio Art" in collaboration with New Adventures in Sound Art taking place throughout May. http://www.deepwireless.ca Between Sets CD "Subterranean Collective disc 1" by vidnaObmana (PROJECKT - 2001) http://www.vidnaobmana.be . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. Drop off food at *ping things* for the Daily Bread Food Bank too and we'll ensure that it gets there. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 24 23:35:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3P3UFL19394; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 23:30:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 23:30:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <12b.2876bd5c.2bda0598@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 23:29:28 EDT Subject: Re: hello from new member... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12b.2876bd5c.2bda0598_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_12b.2876bd5c.2bda0598_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/24/03 3:54:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Fsksync@aol.com writes: > but not accessable by internet at present tim.....i have virtually nothing on "da INTERNET" per say!.....do you have a cd or cassette?.....ill trade ya.....michael --part1_12b.2876bd5c.2bda0598_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 4/24/0= 3 3:54:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Fsksync@aol.com writes:


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tim.....i have virtually nothing on "da INTERNET" per say!.....do you have a= cd or cassette?.....ill trade ya.....michael --part1_12b.2876bd5c.2bda0598_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 24 23:52:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3P3m5k22593; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 23:48:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 23:48:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <117.228012bf.2bda09bb@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 23:47:07 EDT Subject: Re: Loop Music for download To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_117.228012bf.2bda09bb_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_117.228012bf.2bda09bb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/24/03 2:13:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ghunicycle@yahoo.com writes: > www.andybutler.com > yo yo yo andy!.....i couldnt download yer tune but im grovin to your pantaloons.....i hate computers, cant wait till your cd comes out!.....michael --part1_117.228012bf.2bda09bb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 4/24/0= 3 2:13:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ghunicycle@yahoo.com writes:


= www.andybutler.com


yo yo yo andy!.....i couldnt download yer tune but im grovin to your pantalo= ons.....i hate computers, cant wait till your cd comes out!.....michael --part1_117.228012bf.2bda09bb_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 25 01:33:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3P5RsF05084; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 01:27:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 01:27:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <1e0.7884992.2bda213d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 01:27:25 EDT Subject: Re: hello from new member... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e0.7884992.2bda213d_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1e0.7884992.2bda213d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/24/03 8:31:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: > tim.....i have virtually nothing on "da INTERNET" per say!.....do you have a > cd or cassette?.....ill trade ya.....michael I'm in final production on a full-length cd right now! I'll let you know when it's ready... Best, Tim Fluharty --part1_1e0.7884992.2bda213d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 4/24/03 8:31:01 PM Pacific Daylight= Time, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes:

tim.....i have virtually nothin= g on "da INTERNET" per say!.....do you have a cd or cassette?.....ill trade=20= ya.....michael
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I'm in final production on a full-length cd right now! I'll let you know whe= n it's ready...

Best,

Tim Fluharty --part1_1e0.7884992.2bda213d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 25 02:16:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3P6BwY12018; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 02:11:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 02:11:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 23:11:18 -0700 Subject: Re: Loop Music for download Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <117.228012bf.2bda09bb@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fantastic Andy! Great loops, but the joke is on Michael! The pants totally clash with the piece ;) (I had no issues downloading it, you might want to give it another try Michael, it's worth it.) Is that 2 brothersynced EDPs we're listening to? Keep us informed as to when the CD comes out. Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, April 24, 2003, at 08:47 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/24/03 2:13:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > ghunicycle@yahoo.com writes: > > > www.andybutler.com > > > > yo yo yo andy!.....i couldnt download yer tune but im grovin to your > pantaloons.....i hate computers, cant wait till your cd comes > out!.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 25 04:03:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3P7vh724994; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 03:57:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 03:57:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <3c.2ea64ce0.2bda4432@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 03:56:34 EDT Subject: Re Re: Loop Music for download To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Really cool, Andy. I liked the warble effect you achieve at the end of > lengthy notes. How is that accomplished? > You are really using the EDP very musically. (I assume this is your looping > tool.) Come to think of it... > Can this kind of thing be accomplished with the Repeater? Thankyou for your kind words. Yes it's all EDP and Vortex. The warble effect is achieved using a Lexicon Vortex patch which has a small pitch modulation in the feedback of an echo ( so with each repeat the modulation gets deeper, although the effect can vary with different tap times). There's 3 things you can't do with a Repeater (at least) on the track 1) Record a loop then go straight into overdub seemlessly (start of the piece) 2) The effect that sounds like a wierd step sequencer is Loop4 only, with Quantise=8th and InsertMode=rPL you only have to tap Insert once and you can accurately replace a single beat of the loop. 3) Loop Windowing at 2mins into the track. By then I've multiplied the original "sequence" to a longer loop, hitting Undo takes things back in the "loop history" so that you can hear the way the "sequence" was built up. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 25 06:30:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3PAR2J10509; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 06:27:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 06:27:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Re Re: Loop Music for download Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:25:58 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001a01c30b15$0ff99720$3e00a8c0@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <3c.2ea64ce0.2bda4432@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nice music Andy! And I really like the way you are writing on "Live Looping". The more of us putting web sites up the better :-) That "InsertMode=rPL" is a brilliant Loop4 feature. I tool like using it, in a similar way that you do with the 8 setting, but also unquantized. I have some music files for listening at http://www.boysen.se/lyssna.php . I apologize for that page still being in Swedish but I will translate it ASAP. Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com --> 1st Swedish Looping Festival From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 25 08:17:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3PCFU125875; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 08:15:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 08:15:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 13:17:21 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Re: Re Re: Loop Music for download In-Reply-To: <3c.2ea64ce0.2bda4432@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: <01bda0215121943PCOW057M@blueyonder.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h3PCF4B25758 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andy, I downloaded it last night and think it sounds wonderful. I can see why everybody recomends the EDP, I had no idea that you can achieve so much in terms of manipulation from a looper. I really look forward to hearing more. Thanks. Ian. At 08:56 25/04/03 , you wrote: >> Really cool, Andy. I liked the warble effect you achieve at the end of >> lengthy notes. How is that accomplished? >>  You are really using the EDP very musically. (I assume this is your >looping >> tool.) Come to think of it... >>  Can this kind of thing be accomplished with the Repeater? > >Thankyou for your kind words. >Yes it's all EDP and Vortex. >The warble effect is achieved using a Lexicon Vortex patch >which has a small pitch modulation in the feedback of an echo >( so with each repeat the modulation gets deeper, although the >effect can vary with different tap times). > >There's 3 things you can't do with a Repeater (at least) on the track >1) Record a loop then go straight into overdub seemlessly (start of the piece) >2) The effect that sounds like a wierd step sequencer is Loop4 only, with >   Quantise=8th and InsertMode=rPL you only have to tap Insert once and >   you can accurately replace a single beat of the loop. >3) Loop Windowing at 2mins into the track. By then I've multiplied the >   original "sequence" to a longer loop, hitting Undo takes things back >    in the "loop history" so that you can hear the way the "sequence" was >built up. > >andy butler   > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 25 09:35:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3PDXrn04222; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:33:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:33:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 08:32:35 -0500 Subject: Re: Re Re: Loop Music for download Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Michael Firman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <01bda0215121943PCOW057M@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-Id: <601C3338-7722-11D7-AFB6-0003930F282A@mlswebworks.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h3PDWxB04112 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andy, I have a question (Loop4 question actually). In the documentation it says that Insertmode=rPL is only in effect if Quantise=Off. What is going on here? Actually the LoopIV doc says that Insertmode=rPL is the same as before (i.e. as in LoopIII) and the LoopIII doc states that this only works for Quantise=Off. What is the effect of doing this (Insertmode=rPL and Quantise=8th)? Where in the doc (either LoopIV or LoopIII, if at all) is this described? On Friday, April 25, 2003, at 07:17 AM, Ian Popperwell wrote: > Andy, > > I downloaded it last night and think it sounds wonderful. I can see why > everybody recomends the EDP, I had no idea that you can achieve so > much in > terms of manipulation from a looper. I really look forward to hearing > more. > Thanks. Ian. > > At 08:56 25/04/03 , you wrote: >>> Really cool, Andy. I liked the warble effect you achieve at the end >>> of >>> lengthy notes. How is that accomplished? >>>   You are really using the EDP very musically. (I assume this is your >> looping >>> tool.) Come to think of it... >>>   Can this kind of thing be accomplished with the Repeater? >> >> Thankyou for your kind words. >> Yes it's all EDP and Vortex. >> The warble effect is achieved using a Lexicon Vortex patch >> which has a small pitch modulation in the feedback of an echo >> ( so with each repeat the modulation gets deeper, although the >> effect can vary with different tap times). >> >> There's 3 things you can't do with a Repeater (at least) on the track >> 1) Record a loop then go straight into overdub seemlessly (start of >> the > piece) >> 2) The effect that sounds like a wierd step sequencer is Loop4 only, >> with >>    Quantise=8th and InsertMode=rPL you only have to tap Insert once >> and >>    you can accurately replace a single beat of the loop. >> 3) Loop Windowing at 2mins into the track. By then I've multiplied the >>    original "sequence" to a longer loop, hitting Undo takes things >> back >>     in the "loop history" so that you can hear the way the "sequence" >> was >> built up. >> >> andy butler   >> >> > > > -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 25 11:48:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3PFjpo24235; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 11:45:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 11:45:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: EDP Insert question Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:47:23 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Sender: 520030663132-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com haven't used the EDP for quite a while, and now I'm not sure how to solve the following: In the setting for this piece, I have turned the mix button far up to the 'loop' end - I want the original signal to be hidden, only the looped part is supposed to be heard over the PA. So after having recorded something, the EDP loops it and people can hear the loop. Now I want to make inserts. The problem is that while I record the new Insert, there is nothing to be heard - because I have set the EDP mix to 'loop'. Is there a way to hide the original signal - but not hiding it during the recording of an insert ? (the newest EDP software is installed.) = michael peters = www.michaelpeters.de = computer graphics + electronic music From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 25 12:04:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3PG35k30017; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:03:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:03:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:20:14 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: My Repeater -> 2xEchoPro's... Should I take the plunge? From: Stuart Wyatt To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <69ABAF66-7731-11D7-A80D-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I had a proposition today from someone to exchange my Repeater for 2 new Echo Pro's.... I've been thinking for a long while that the Repeater is not the looping tool for me. When I purchased it I was in contact with Electrix, and was told that certain features that I was looking for would be available in future OS upgrades... well... thats out of the question now :) For the features that work well on the Repeater (Tempo/Pitch change), I've never used them in my improvisations (I don't like changing sounds/loops from their natural state). I have only used Midi sync a couple of times, instead preferring natural timing when jamming with other musicians.... I use the 4 tracks, but I don't really utilise them fully.... Even the panning (I play a mono instrument through mono effects) I've never really utilised. I've been looping mainly using my trusty DL4, and love the simplicity and organic nature of the unit. I've also been experimenting using two DL4's in line (thanks Virgile), and have successfully created short rhythmic sections on the first, and then bounced them to a longer loop using the second DL4.... It got me thinking about looping in a different way. So.... ignoring any financial plusses or minuses for the proposed deal, do you think that I'd make the right decision by saying yes to the offer? I'm thinking that two Echo Pro's, controlled by my trusty 1010 with an inline DL4 would expand my project in the right direction. I know its not an EDP, but there is no way that I can afford one of those at the moment (way overpriced).... I was especially taken by the ideas proposed by Line6 in the Echo Pro manual about having two units in loop mode, and how to control them. I could also rig the two units to work as one stereo unit.... plus the 60/120 second loop time.... Any thoughts anyone? :) Could anyone help me play Devils Advocate with myself? Cheers, - Stu (http://solostring.com) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 25 12:17:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3PGFbT32082; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:15:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:15:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002a01c30b45$cfedc120$02edfea9@becomenieswqf3> From: "bcomens" To: References: <69ABAF66-7731-11D7-A80D-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Subject: Re: My Repeater -> 2xEchoPro's... Should I take the plunge? Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 18:14:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd say do it because you'll be happier, BUT: why don't you 1st see if you can sell the Repeater on Ebay for enough to buy an EDP, if that's what you really want. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 5:20 PM Subject: My Repeater -> 2xEchoPro's... Should I take the plunge? > Hi all, > > I had a proposition today from someone to exchange my Repeater for 2 > new Echo Pro's.... > > I've been thinking for a long while that the Repeater is not the > looping tool for me. When I purchased it I was in contact with > Electrix, and was told that certain features that I was looking for > would be available in future OS upgrades... well... thats out of the > question now :) > > For the features that work well on the Repeater (Tempo/Pitch change), > I've never used them in my improvisations (I don't like changing > sounds/loops from their natural state). I have only used Midi sync a > couple of times, instead preferring natural timing when jamming with > other musicians.... I use the 4 tracks, but I don't really utilise them > fully.... Even the panning (I play a mono instrument through mono > effects) I've never really utilised. > > I've been looping mainly using my trusty DL4, and love the simplicity > and organic nature of the unit. I've also been experimenting using two > DL4's in line (thanks Virgile), and have successfully created short > rhythmic sections on the first, and then bounced them to a longer loop > using the second DL4.... It got me thinking about looping in a > different way. > > So.... ignoring any financial plusses or minuses for the proposed deal, > do you think that I'd make the right decision by saying yes to the > offer? > > I'm thinking that two Echo Pro's, controlled by my trusty 1010 with an > inline DL4 would expand my project in the right direction. I know its > not an EDP, but there is no way that I can afford one of those at the > moment (way overpriced).... I was especially taken by the ideas > proposed by Line6 in the Echo Pro manual about having two units in loop > mode, and how to control them. I could also rig the two units to work > as one stereo unit.... plus the 60/120 second loop time.... > > Any thoughts anyone? :) Could anyone help me play Devils Advocate with > myself? > > Cheers, > > - Stu (http://solostring.com) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 25 12:18:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3PGH8n32303; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:17:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:17:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:16:27 -0700 Subject: Re: My Repeater -> 2xEchoPro's... Should I take the plunge? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <69ABAF66-7731-11D7-A80D-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Message-Id: <44279CE6-7739-11D7-8E17-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, April 25, 2003, at 08:20 AM, Stuart Wyatt wrote: > So.... ignoring any financial plusses or minuses for the proposed > deal, do you think that I'd make the right decision by saying yes to > the offer? No. The Repeater is fetching enough to get a single EDP. I'm sure if you were patient you could sell it on ebay and get enough for an EDP. The Echopro is cute, but I just got one on clearance for $199 US. Since you already said yes to he deal, I don't know why you're asking this question, but I would have held out for the EDP for sure. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 25 12:32:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3PGUSY02073; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:30:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:30:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:29:40 -0400 From: Paulzric@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: My Repeater -> 2xEchoPro's... Should I take the plunge? MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <319F4320.4665BE8A.007D6382@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd say "don't do it" and tell your buddy to contact me instead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 25 12:33:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3PGWnc02439; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:32:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:32:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:32:12 -0400 From: Paulzric@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: My Repeater -> 2xEchoPro's... Should I take the plunge? MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <5FF3AB7C.52E8D5B6.007D6382@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In other words...2 EDPs??????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Man, now I wish I had a Repeater....to pawn it off for the oh so very cerebral and dandy EDP. But for two??????? I quit! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 25 12:44:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3PGh7504412; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:43:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:43:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 18:42:24 +0200 Subject: Re: My Repeater -> 2xEchoPro's... Should I take the plunge? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <44279CE6-7739-11D7-8E17-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <6e79rC.A.gDB.zVWq-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, April 25, 2003, at 06:16 pm, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Since you already said yes to he deal, I don't know why you're asking > this question I haven't said yes yet.... It was only proposed to me today. > but I would have held out for the EDP for sure. Cheers for your views Mark :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 25 12:55:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3PGt7f06685; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:55:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:55:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030425165435.12120.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:54:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: My Repeater -> 2xEchoPro's... Should I take the plunge? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <44279CE6-7739-11D7-8E17-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > The Echopro is cute, but I just got one on clearance for $199 US. That still seems to be an unusual price. I searched around when you first posted that, thinking the prices were dropping, and the best I could find was still $299. The prices in Europe are probably a bit more, but the Repeater is probably worth more there too. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 25 12:59:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3PGq9Q06140; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:52:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:52:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <44279CE6-7739-11D7-8E17-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> References: <44279CE6-7739-11D7-8E17-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:51:19 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: My Repeater -> 2xEchoPro's... Should I take the plunge? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mark wrote: >The Echopro is cute, but I just got one on clearance for $199 US. Where did you get that?? /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/calendar .................................. the calendar. http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 25 13:00:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3PGwk107357; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:58:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:58:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030425165814.68188.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:58:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: My Repeater -> 2xEchoPro's... Should I take the plunge? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <69ABAF66-7731-11D7-A80D-0003934B4712@solostring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Stuart Wyatt wrote: > So.... ignoring any financial plusses or minuses for the proposed deal, > do you think that I'd make the right decision by saying yes to the > offer? It really depends on the features you need and the way you work. I'd feel extremely limited without at least a feedback control and an UNDO function, and the EchoPro doesn't provide either one. > I'm thinking that two Echo Pro's, controlled by my trusty 1010 with an > inline DL4 would expand my project in the right direction. I know its > not an EDP, but there is no way that I can afford one of those at the > moment (way overpriced).... I was especially taken by the ideas > proposed by Line6 in the Echo Pro manual about having two units in loop > mode, and how to control them. I could also rig the two units to work > as one stereo unit.... plus the 60/120 second loop time.... How would you get two EchoPros to work as one stereo unit? They don't do midi (or any other) synch in loop mode, so they'll drift. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 25 13:20:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3PHH4P11651; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 13:17:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 13:17:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 19:16:22 +0200 Subject: Re: My Repeater -> 2xEchoPro's... Should I take the plunge? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030425165814.68188.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, April 25, 2003, at 06:58 pm, Greg House wrote: > It really depends on the features you need and the way you work. I'd > feel > extremely limited without at least a feedback control and an UNDO > function, and > the EchoPro doesn't provide either one. 99% of my looping work has been using the DL4 - which does not have an UNDO feature or feedback controls... I've just learnt not to make mistakes when I play, or when I do, I've found ways to hide them and make them 'deliberate parts of the performance' :) > How would you get two EchoPros to work as one stereo unit? They don't > do midi (or > any other) synch in loop mode, so they'll drift. The stereo side of looping does not interest me that much, but if you had two EchoPro's listening to the same 1010, with the second unit connected to the firsts' midi out (acting as Midi thru), or both running off of a Midi Thru box, then it should work ok. As long as both units received the midi signals at the same time, then there shouldn't be any drifting.... Re: the $199 price that Mark commented on, over here in Europe the price is, as always, much more expensive. I'd never sell on Ebay or ship something to someone through the post. I've had many problems doing that in the past... In fact, every shipment I've made or received over the past 2 years have had problems of some sort. I think the EDP is roughly $1200 in the UK, and non-existent here in France. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 25 13:24:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3PHNFe12788; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 13:23:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 13:23:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030425100126.049d5008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 10:22:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Re Re: Loop Music for download In-Reply-To: <601C3338-7722-11D7-AFB6-0003930F282A@mlswebworks.com> References: <01bda0215121943PCOW057M@blueyonder.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:32 AM 4/25/2003, Michael Firman wrote: >I have a question (Loop4 question actually). In the documentation >it says that Insertmode=rPL is only in effect if Quantise=Off. Where did you see that? In the old Echoplex manual, under InsertMode, it says it IS affected by quantize. In fact, that manual is missing a description of how it works unquantized. The description there is really only explaining how it works with quantize on. The new EDP+ manual has a better explanation. >What >is going on here? Actually the LoopIV doc says that Insertmode=rPL >is the same as before (i.e. as in LoopIII) and the LoopIII doc states that >this only works for Quantise=Off. It is the same as in LoopIII. A sustain action Replace when quantize is off. With Quantize on it replaces the quantize period exactly. >What is the effect of doing this >(Insertmode=rPL and Quantise=8th)? When you press Replace down, it waits for the next 8th note to start the replace. When you release Replace waits for the next 8th note to end it. If you just tap it you will get a single 8th note. (the 8th notes don't have to be 8th notes in fact. It is a subdivision of the loop cycle set by the 8ths/cycle parameter. Quantize=8th follows this subdivision. The default setting of 8ths/cycle is 8, for 8th notes. But you can set it to anything and have any rhythmic subdivision you want.) >Where in the doc (either LoopIV >or LoopIII, if at all) is this described? Under InsertMode in the old manual. The new EDP+ manual has a whole section for replace. Forget the manual, go try it! It is obvious when you use it. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 25 13:49:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3PHmGv16536; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 13:48:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 13:48:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 13:47:23 -0400 From: Paulzric@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: My Repeater -> 2xEchoPro's... Should I take the plunge? MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <782BD8D5.07148DD2.007D6382@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com duh...echopro? whas dat? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 25 13:59:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3PHvKw17826; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 13:57:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 13:57:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 13:56:47 -0400 From: Paulzric@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Attention--Ebay Auction MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <0921ACE7.38E0057C.007D6382@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <0SlQmC.A.9VE.kbXq-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Chandler Stereo Digital Echo Delay Echoplex Item # 2526340947 No idea about these units (nor the echopro or repeater, so don't shoot the messenger)! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 25 14:09:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3PI6aa20653; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 14:06:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 14:06:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 11:05:57 -0700 Subject: Re: My Repeater -> 2xEchoPro's... Should I take the plunge? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <782BD8D5.07148DD2.007D6382@aol.com> Message-Id: <9097AFA7-7748-11D7-938F-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <0C9J-D.A.qBF.MkXq-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Line6 made "Pro" versions of their stompbox modelers. Mod Pro, Filter Pro and Echo pro... or it might be Delay Pro, I'm not sure. Anyway, it's a fun little looper for simple stuff, but pretty limited IMO due to the inability to control the feedback level. http://www.line6.com/products.asp?ID=75&action=1&item=143&tp=0 Mark Sottilaro On Friday, April 25, 2003, at 10:47 AM, Paulzric@aol.com wrote: > duh...echopro? whas dat? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 25 14:16:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3PIFoL22678; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 14:15:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 14:15:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 11:15:11 -0700 Subject: Re: My Repeater -> 2xEchoPro's... Should I take the plunge? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030425165435.12120.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Right. That's my point. The EDP is more expensive in Europe, but so is the Repeater. I was just saying that it might be worth it to sell the Repeater on ebay. I've shipped many items using UPS of FedEx and have yet to have an issue, but I must admit I've never shipped something overseas. Is the French version of UPS that unreliable? Mark Sottilaro On Friday, April 25, 2003, at 09:54 AM, Greg House wrote: > --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >> The Echopro is cute, but I just got one on clearance for $199 US. > > That still seems to be an unusual price. I searched around when you > first posted > that, thinking the prices were dropping, and the best I could find was > still > $299. The prices in Europe are probably a bit more, but the Repeater > is probably > worth more there too. > > Greg > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > http://search.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 25 14:19:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3PIIOd23118; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 14:18:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 14:18:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 11:17:48 -0700 Subject: Re: My Repeater -> 2xEchoPro's... Should I take the plunge? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <3872DA0E-774A-11D7-938F-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Guitar Center in Concord, CA. They said they had another left at that price, but they could not find it when I was there (they seemed really busy, I bet they didn't look all that hard) Mark On Friday, April 25, 2003, at 09:51 AM, Tom Ritchford wrote: > mark wrote: > >> The Echopro is cute, but I just got one on clearance for $199 US. > > Where did you get that?? > > /t > -- > > http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every > Saturday! > http://extremeNY.com/calendar .................................. the > calendar. > http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the > calendar. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 25 14:19:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3PIIKn23103; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 14:18:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 14:18:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030425111305.050edcd0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 11:18:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: My Repeater -> 2xEchoPro's... Should I take the plunge? In-Reply-To: References: <20030425165814.68188.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:16 AM 4/25/2003, Stuart Wyatt wrote: >On Friday, April 25, 2003, at 06:58 pm, Greg House wrote: > >>It really depends on the features you need and the way you work. I'd feel >>extremely limited without at least a feedback control and an UNDO >>function, and >>the EchoPro doesn't provide either one. > >99% of my looping work has been using the DL4 - which does not have an >UNDO feature or feedback controls... I've just learnt not to make mistakes >when I play, or when I do, I've found ways to hide them and make >them 'deliberate parts of the performance' :) It seemed to me that the Echo Pro didn't really add much looping functions beyond what the DL4 does already. More loop time is about it. If you already have 2 DL4's, you might not really gain much by getting two echo pro's. >>How would you get two EchoPros to work as one stereo unit? They don't do >>midi (or >>any other) synch in loop mode, so they'll drift. > >The stereo side of looping does not interest me that much, but if you had >two EchoPro's listening to the same 1010, with the second unit connected >to the firsts' midi out (acting as Midi thru), or both running off of a >Midi Thru box, then it should work ok. As long as both units received the >midi signals at the same time, then there shouldn't be any drifting.... No it will definitely still drift without some kind of sync. The internal clocks of two devices are never exactly the same. They will drift apart, even if they start together. >Re: the $199 price that Mark commented on, over here in Europe the price >is, as always, much more expensive. I'd never sell on Ebay or ship >something to someone through the post. I've had many problems doing that >in the past... In fact, every shipment I've made or received over the past >2 years have had problems of some sort. I think the EDP is roughly $1200 >in the UK, and non-existent here in France. I think Gibson is starting up some European distributors, but I don't know the details. You might want contact them and ask about it. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 25 14:35:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3PIY9K25792; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 14:34:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 14:34:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EA97E74.BF655FED@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 11:29:07 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Insert question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Michael, 1) Use the Replace insert mode, so you don't hear the change in the loop until the subsequent repetition. 2) Try the "Flip" interface mode, if you haven't already, for a sort of "soft replace" effect. It takes some getting used to, but I think you might like it a lot for what you're trying to do, and you won't hear the change until the following repetition. (Listen to Andy Butler demoing this feature - which he invented! - at http://members.aol.com/andybmp3/vrtdemo.mp3) Have fun, --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP Michael Peters wrote: > > haven't used the EDP for quite a while, and now I'm not sure how to solve > the following: > > In the setting for this piece, I have turned the mix button far up to the > 'loop' end - I want the original signal to be hidden, only the looped part > is supposed to be heard over the PA. So after having recorded something, the > EDP loops it and people can hear the loop. > > Now I want to make inserts. The problem is that while I record the new > Insert, there is nothing to be heard - because I have set the EDP mix to > 'loop'. > > Is there a way to hide the original signal - but not hiding it during the > recording of an insert ? (the newest EDP software is installed.) > > = michael peters > = www.michaelpeters.de > = computer graphics + electronic music From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 25 14:38:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3PIbae26534; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 14:37:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 14:37:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EA97F4E.69B499F6@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 11:32:46 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Insert question References: <3EA97E74.BF655FED@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_TYi1.A.gdG.cBYq-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Argh, I said, > 1) Use the Replace insert mode, so you don't hear the change in the loop > until the subsequent repetition. My mistake - use the Substitute insert mode for this, not Replace. Definitely time for coffee, --Andre LaFosse The Espresso Deprivation Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com/doublevanillalatte.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 25 15:04:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3PJ3T632048; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:03:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:03:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c30b5d$8fe1a660$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <0921ACE7.38E0057C.007D6382@aol.com> Subject: Re: Attention--Ebay Auction Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:04:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [151.199.54.185] at Fri, 25 Apr 2003 14:02:52 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com could be the old tape-based unit... used by many a famous rocker ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 1:56 PM Subject: Attention--Ebay Auction > Chandler Stereo Digital Echo Delay Echoplex > Item # 2526340947 > No idea about these units (nor the echopro or repeater, so don't > shoot the messenger)! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 25 15:07:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3PJ6U632506; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:06:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:06:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c30b5d$fc707b80$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <01bda0215121943PCOW057M@blueyonder.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.2.20030425100126.049d5008@loopers-delight.com> Subject: edp manual Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:07:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [151.199.54.185] at Fri, 25 Apr 2003 14:05:54 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi - Is there an new EDP manual for Lop IV that blends the old Loop III and the "Loop IV upgrade" manual into one logical text? David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 25 15:28:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3PJRgr03720; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:27:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:27:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:26:00 -0400 To: nyhappenings@yahoogroups.com, "Looper's Delight Mailing List" From: Tom Ritchford Subject: 4/26: oo ooo ooooopen loop Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <2iwoUD.A.P4.7vYq-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com open loop loops openly as usually always open looping Saturday, that's Saturday, April 2626, April April 26, Saturdays from 4 PM till 8 PM. open loop is live open looped looping of live and looped and electronic looped instruments and loops every Saturday at Chama, 332 E4 St, NY, NY, every Saturday at Chama. bring an instrument, loop, or just hang out. http://loopNY.com This week, we welcome Glenn Bach, a musician from Long Long Long Beach CA, working with analog sounds, sampled electric guitar, manipulated field recordings, setting loops of descending pitch against each other... /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/calendar .................................. the calendar. http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 25 15:54:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3PJrnQ08194; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:53:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:53:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c30b64$485bb270$bdf4e051@camilla> Reply-To: "Peter Flink" From: "Peter Flink" To: Subject: subscribe Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 21:53:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C30B75.0BB84250" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C30B75.0BB84250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C30B75.0BB84250 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C30B75.0BB84250-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 25 16:43:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3PKgAm17657; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:42:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:42:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <152.1e9da7da.2bdaf76b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:41:15 EDT Subject: i think someone would be interested in this (recording nature) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_152.1e9da7da.2bdaf76b_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_152.1e9da7da.2bdaf76b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: Recording and experiencing the sounds of nature through mics and headphones. --part1_152.1e9da7da.2bdaf76b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Click here: Recording and experienci= ng the sounds of nature through mics and headphones. --part1_152.1e9da7da.2bdaf76b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 25 17:03:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3PL2i422175; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:02:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:02:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:03:23 -0400 Subject: Re: My Repeater -> 2xEchoPro's... Should I take the plunge? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: "mr.monk" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030425165435.12120.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <59C65AD8-7761-11D7-B82A-000393073870@fuse.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: <_UhFZ.A.BXF.QJaq-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i just got one for $199 at my local gtr center as well. On Friday, April 25, 2003, at 12:54 PM, Greg House wrote: > That still seems to be an unusual price. I searched around when you > first posted > that, thinking the prices were dropping, and the best I could find was > still > $299 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 25 17:28:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3PLRcA25432; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:27:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:27:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <59C65AD8-7761-11D7-B82A-000393073870@fuse.net> References: <59C65AD8-7761-11D7-B82A-000393073870@fuse.net> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:26:01 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: My Repeater -> 2xEchoPro's... Should I take the plunge? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >i just got one for $199 at my local gtr center as well. damn, that price doesn't seem to be online! if one of you wants to pick me up one...!! /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/calendar .................................. the calendar. http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 25 18:20:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3PMJ0r32753; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 18:19:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 18:19:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00fe01c30b78$6c8d81a0$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: Cc: "Shawn Kelly" , "Jeff Kolyer" , "Jeff Schnase" , "John Pointer" References: Subject: New Loop Song of the Month... Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:17:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's a new loop song for the month of May posted a bit early. www.jimmygeorgeband.com/mp3s/PinchingMyEarsMasterBlaster.mp3 you can also stream it RealAudio from my front page at the bottom of the left side menu. I'm using an old eps performance sampler with the rhoads sound and looping it with the a/b loop in the boomerang plus for the verse and chorus triggering it real time as I played and sang the primary vocal tracks. The acoustic is miked with a c1000s and also direct. Vocals are from the akg c3000b. It is a very basic recording with no drums or bass. The swell sounds, cln & distortion, are also from my acoustic through my johnson millennium amp. The accordion sound is another sample from the eps thanks to David Coffin from our list. This was recorded for a film, Tahoe, The Movie, coming out of Manhattan Theatre Source in NY. It is a haunting little melody about vegetarianism and kings. Any feed back is most welcome. Thanks for taking the time to check it out. Peace, jg http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 25 19:49:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3PNkqk12424; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 19:46:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 19:46:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:46:32 -0700 Subject: Re: Used EDPs at $550 apiece Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <24CF50F4-7778-11D7-82A2-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h3PNkWB12244 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It just dawned on me: That's ridiculous! $50 lower than the price of a new EDP? Once you've paid shipping... why not just buy two brand new ones for $1200, then at least you get a warrantee and most places will through in shipping in sales over $300. It's weird to me that the EDP used and new seem to be close to the same. I could see when it wasn't in production, but now? Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, April 23, 2003, at 05:38 PM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ > eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2525720396&category=3278 > > That's two count 'em two EDPs for $1100 buy it now price! > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: Geoff Smith [mailto:geoff.smith15@btopenworld.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 5:11 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: hello from new member... > > > where can u buy an EDP for $600? (thats about £400) > > here in England an Edp now retails at £899 which is the equivalent of > about > 1450 us dollars. > £400 Thats the price I've been looking for. > I could finally satisfy my desire for a second EDP. > Geoff > > on 23/4/03 7:48 pm, Tim Nelson at psychle62@yahoo.com wrote: > >> devil's advocate wrote: >>> Unless of course you can find a Repeater on eBay and >>> get a stereo looper for half the price you'd pay for >>> a mono EDP. >> >> I've seen lots of EDPs (including new blonde ones) in >> the $600-$700 range, but I've yet to see a Repeater on >> eBay or elsewhere for $300 to $350 (or I woulda bought >> one!) >> >> -t- >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo >> http://search.yahoo.com >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 26 01:16:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3Q5FAA28376; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 01:15:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 01:15:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 22:14:45 -0700 Subject: Re: My Repeater -> 2xEchoPro's... Should I take the plunge? From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <69ABAF66-7731-11D7-A80D-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just grabbed one of Guitar Center's blow out Echo Pros. (Thanks, Mark!) I haven't been using the looper because I'm pretty much a hardcore EDP user, but the echo models are really sweet. Not as rhythmically complex as what I can do with my DL8000R, but very pleasant sounding. But, of course, you knew that since you have the DL4. The benefit of using the Echo Pro or the DL4 if you can live with its lack of feedback control in the loop is that with two of them you have the option of using one as something other than a looper. I would not count on being able to get them to function as a stereo pair, however. I also have to say that from a pure convenience standpoint the floor modelers beat the rack effects. The Repeater is an intriguing instrument, but if you don't pitch shift or time stretch, it's largely going to waste. I've been meaning to ask Bill Walker whether it's the Repeater or the Repeater plus the arpeggiator in his GR-30 that he loves. The most interesting thing I found to do with it during the brief period I owned one was to put a basic loop on two tracks and then switch to the other two tracks with feedback significantly reduced. That way part of the loop stays stable while another part needs continual renewal. I've head your music Stuart (and promoted it to others). You've done very well with the DL4. I think your future is probably better served with either multiple DL4s, multiple Echo Pros, or an EDP (though you'd need multiple EDPs to get more than one loop playing at once or stereo). Mark P.S. I had to take the floor model to get the $199 price because that was all they had left. A few scratches in the top and no box, but otherwise it seems to be fine. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 26 01:59:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3Q5w3o32553; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 01:58:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 01:58:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c201c30bb8$942449c0$ca63f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200304251633.h3PGXew02724@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: A REPEATER for 2 ECHO PROS? thumbs down from this pundit Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 22:56:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dont' even dream of it, Stuart. Even if this is the way to go (and I"m skeptical), they are blowing out the ECHO pros and discontinuing them (same fate as the Repeater). I've heard they are going for $199 and $250 apiece here in the states, brand new. You can sell your Repeater with a cfc card for upwards of $700-$800 right now on the list or on e-bay. Sell it, if you want to get rid of it and buy two brand new ECHO pros with $200 to $300 to throw at other musical gear (or rent....... :-( Now, there is one salient reason why I think it is a bad idea to sell your REPEATER and that is, it has the ability to sync midi to loops. You can drive other loopers gear (including EDP owners), take clock from sequencers or drum machines or digital delays or filter boxes. That's my incredibly opinionated take on this offer. best of luck on your decision (which ever way it goes). Rick Walker p.s. and if you want to do the trade, hell, let me know: I'll go buy two brand new warrantied ECHO pros and trade you for your REPEATER........just let me know, but do it soon, I leave on tour in two weeks. Stuart Wyatt wrote: > So.... ignoring any financial plusses or minuses for the proposed deal, > do you think that I'd make the right decision by saying yes to the > offer? > > I'm thinking that two Echo Pro's, controlled by my trusty 1010 with an > inline DL4 would expand my project in the right direction. I know its > not an EDP, but there is no way that I can afford one of those at the > moment (way overpriced).... I was especially taken by the ideas > proposed by Line6 in the Echo Pro manual about having two units in loop > mode, and how to control them. I could also rig the two units to work > as one stereo unit.... plus the 60/120 second loop time.... > > Any thoughts anyone? :) Could anyone help me play Devils Advocate with > myself? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 26 01:59:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3Q5x1H32678; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 01:59:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 01:59:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Repeater as Used by Bill Walker Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 22:58:41 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Hamburg wrote: The Repeater is an intriguing instrument, but if you don't pitch shift or time stretch, it's largely going to waste. I've been meaning to ask Bill Walker whether it's the Repeater or the Repeater plus the arpeggiator in his GR-30 that he loves. The most interesting thing I found to do with it during the brief period I owned one was to put a basic loop on two tracks and then switch to the other two tracks with feedback significantly reduced. That way part of the loop stays stable while another part needs continual renewal. The most interesting thing Bill did in his show in San Luis Obispo IMHO was to use the synth guitar info to modulate the pitch of the Repeater loop. One of the biggest limitations of loop music seems to me to be the tendency to stay in one tonality--and he used the pitch shift to great effect. Plays pretty good too! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 26 04:11:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3Q8AfR16491; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 04:10:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 04:10:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 01:10:16 -0700 Subject: Re: My Repeater -> 2xEchoPro's... Should I take the plunge? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <8358D6E7-77BE-11D7-82A2-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, April 25, 2003, at 10:14 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > I've been meaning to ask Bill > Walker whether it's the Repeater or the Repeater plus the arpeggiator > in his > GR-30 that he loves. The most interesting thing I found to do with it > during > the brief period I owned one was to put a basic loop on two tracks and > then > switch to the other two tracks with feedback significantly reduced. > That way > part of the loop stays stable while another part needs continual > renewal. I love it for that reason as well, but I have to say that the other beautiful thing about the Repeater is the ability to use it's effects loop before or after the loop (the later not effecting what you're putting into the loop). Another great thing that I didn't think would be all that cool, but turned out to be really fun is the "slip" function. Record a stereo loop, then de-link the tracks and "slip" one fwd or backward in time relative to the other track(s) Fun! Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 26 04:44:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3Q8iCl20393; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 04:44:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 04:44:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030426014101.04f26480@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 01:41:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: edp manual In-Reply-To: <002301c30b5d$fc707b80$0affff0a@hppav> References: <01bda0215121943PCOW057M@blueyonder.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.2.20030425100126.049d5008@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <8c0rkB.A.Y-E.Lbkq-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:07 PM 4/25/2003, David wrote: >Is there an new EDP manual for Lop IV that blends the old Loop III and the >"Loop IV upgrade" manual into one logical text? yes, it's sold with the new EDP Plus. It isn't online yet. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 26 05:08:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3Q985524324; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 05:08:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 05:08:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <190.1961556f.2bdba665@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 05:07:49 EDT Subject: Re:Re: Loop Music for download To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks to all for the encouraging feedback, mark said > Is that 2 brothersynced EDPs we're listening to? yes indeed it's 2 EDPs in stereo brothersync andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 26 05:08:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3Q97uN24205; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 05:07:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 05:07:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01b701c30bd3$14793a80$ca63f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200304260559.h3Q5xZq01583@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: ANDY BUTLER's new EDP/Guitar improv!! Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 02:06:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: <20N6tD.A.R5F.Pxkq-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey gang, If you haven't already downloaded Andy Butler's beautiful EDP/Guitar impro, "Backwater", you owe it to yourselves to do so. I was really moved by it. Just a gorgeous piece of music. Can't wait for the CD. I'll be one of the first to buy it. Congratulations, Andy. Rick Walker p.s. you can download it at www.andybutler.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 26 05:52:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3Q9p8t29887; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 05:51:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 05:51:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 11:50:31 +0200 Subject: Re: My Repeater -> 2xEchoPro's... Should I take the plunge? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <8358D6E7-77BE-11D7-82A2-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: <84F90D8D-77CC-11D7-A80D-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for everyone's feedback and comments. I'm going to say no to this offer, and wait until I am back in the UK before I do anything. If the price of the Echo Pro's are now $199 in the states, and due to be discontinued, then I might hold on, and try to purchase one or two separately, and combine those with the Repeater. I know there would be no midi sync, but it would give me what I am looking for. I might try and trade my Boss VF1 effects unit (mostly unused) with an EchoPro.... Thanks again! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 26 07:28:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3QBQcn09741; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 07:26:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 07:26:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EAA6D05.BB6AEEE@cloud9.net> Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 07:27:01 -0400 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: My Repeater -> 2xEchoPro's... Should I take the plunge? References: <200304260559.h3Q5xZa01584@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiVirus: checked by Vexira MailArmor (version: 2.0.1.7; VAE: 6.19.0.3; VDF: 6.19.0.9; host: english-breakfast.cloud9.net) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For folks that are looking for blowout prices but not finding, I'd suggest ebay coupled with a fair amount of patience. I picked up an Echo Pro about a month ago for $215, new factory sealed. I did wait about six months to find it at that price, though :) And I agree with others here that it's a very nice little box for the price. A definite step up from the DL4. Anybody want to buy a DL4? Elby > Subject: Re: My Repeater -> 2xEchoPro's... Should I take the plunge? > Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 11:17:48 -0700 > From: mark > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Guitar Center in Concord, CA. They said they had another left at > that > price, but they could not find it when I was there (they seemed > really > busy, I bet they didn't look all that hard) > > Mark > > On Friday, April 25, 2003, at 09:51 AM, Tom Ritchford wrote: > > > mark wrote: > > > >> The Echopro is cute, but I just got one on clearance for $199 US. > > > > Where did you get that?? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 26 08:47:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3QCiZg17747; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 08:44:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 08:44:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 08:43:46 -0400 From: Jhsidlo@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Portable Field Recorders MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <6D23A15B.12CEDFA9.0017F279@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Recommendations for recorders and mics concerning field recordings would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 26 10:18:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3QEHZi29995; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 10:17:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 10:17:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 10:16:56 -0400 Subject: my repeater still looks for a home... From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com as does my mo-fx and filter factory... want to sell on list and not on ebay... t. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 26 12:45:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3QGiVL19007; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 12:44:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 12:44:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 09:43:57 -0700 Subject: Loopstock 2003 pictures From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just put some pictures from Loopstock 2003 up on my web site. http://www.baymoon.com/~mark_hamburg/ Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 26 12:56:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3QGtOl20475; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 12:55:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 12:55:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 17:58:16 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Re: Portable Field Recorders In-Reply-To: <6D23A15B.12CEDFA9.0017F279@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: <035584057161a43PCOW053M@blueyonder.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h3QGt6B20419 Resent-Message-ID: <_kuYVB.A.U_E.qnrq-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, There's some good (but expensive) pro minidisc recorders available made for the broadcast market from Marantz and HHB + I think there might be a Tascam model. They're much better built and specified than the little "Walkman" MDs and worth checking out. As for mics, I guess it depends what you want to record. The Marantz and HHB Pro Md recorders have XLR sockets with Phantom power, so you would have a good choice of mics either with or without an external preamp (I don't know what the internal mic amps are like). Hope this helps. Ian. At 13:43 26/04/03 , you wrote: >     Recommendations for recorders and mics concerning field recordings would be greatly appreciated. > >                         Thanks, James > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 26 12:59:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3QGwZk20960; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 12:58:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 12:58:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <15f.1f7dd4aa.2bdc14a5@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 12:58:13 EDT Subject: Re: Loopstock 2003 pictures To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_15f.1f7dd4aa.2bdc14a5_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: <6179pB.A.zGF.sqrq-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_15f.1f7dd4aa.2bdc14a5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/26/03 12:45:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mark_hamburg@baymoon.com writes: > http://www.baymoon.com/~mark_hamburg/ > thanks mark.....did rick tell ya who's doin his hair lately?.....:).....michael --part1_15f.1f7dd4aa.2bdc14a5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 4/26/0= 3 12:45:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mark_hamburg@baymoon.com writes:


http://www.baymoon.com/~mark_ha= mburg/


thanks mark.....did rick tell ya who's doin his hair lately?.....:).....mich= ael --part1_15f.1f7dd4aa.2bdc14a5_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 26 14:03:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3QI2cm31034; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 14:02:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 14:02:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c30c1d$f6b77930$bf08fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: Subject: Re: Loopstock 2003 pictures Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 12:02:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow... Thanks for posting those, Mark. Now I know what everybody looks like. Had been picturing Kim as more of a Walter-Matthau-in-that-movie-"Grumpy Old Men" type. ;) Loopers-Delight is the best mailing list ever. Glad to be here. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" To: "Looper's Delight" Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 10:43 AM Subject: Loopstock 2003 pictures > I just put some pictures from Loopstock 2003 up on my web site. > > http://www.baymoon.com/~mark_hamburg/ > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 26 14:14:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3QIE3c32147; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 14:14:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 14:14:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1de.7a195bd.2bdc2657@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 14:13:43 EDT Subject: Re: Loopstock 2003 pictures To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1de.7a195bd.2bdc2657_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1de.7a195bd.2bdc2657_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/26/03 2:03:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jlucas@neoprimitive.net writes: > Had been picturing Kim as more of a Walter-Matthau-in-that-movie-"Grumpy Old > Men" type. ;) > now i dont feel so bad about wondering what kind of computer program was able to put a smile on kim's face.....did someone just walk into the room with a case of single malt?.....michael (now im in trouble.....:)) p.s. with ricks hair and kims smile i'd be in HOLLYWOOD ! --part1_1de.7a195bd.2bdc2657_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 4/26/0= 3 2:03:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jlucas@neoprimitive.net writes:


Had been picturing Kim as more=20= of a Walter-Matthau-in-that-movie-"Grumpy Old
Men" type.  ;)


now i dont feel so bad about wondering what kind of computer program was abl= e to put a smile on kim's face.....did someone just walk into the room with=20= a case of single malt?.....michael (now im in trouble.....:))
p.s. with ricks hair and kims smile i'd be in HOLLYWOOD ! --part1_1de.7a195bd.2bdc2657_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 26 15:00:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3QJ0AE05994; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 15:00:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 15:00:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 20:59:39 +0200 Subject: Re: Loopstock 2003 pictures Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <3B1B8144-7819-11D7-8312-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, April 26, 2003, at 06:43 pm, Mark Hamburg wrote: > I just put some pictures from Loopstock 2003 up on my web site. Damn... I really need a loopstock... so lonely :) Its great to put faces to names, and to see people's kit... cheers Mark! I really like Rick's dayglo green paint on everything... very very nice! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 26 15:33:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3QJVq309689; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 15:31:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 15:31:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030426122042.04787008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 12:31:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP Insert question In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:47 AM 4/25/2003, Michael Peters wrote: >In the setting for this piece, I have turned the mix button far up to the >'loop' end - I want the original signal to be hidden, only the looped part >is supposed to be heard over the PA. So after having recorded something, the >EDP loops it and people can hear the loop. > >Now I want to make inserts. The problem is that while I record the new >Insert, there is nothing to be heard - because I have set the EDP mix to >'loop'. > >Is there a way to hide the original signal - but not hiding it during the >recording of an insert ? (the newest EDP software is installed.) Here's how to do this: - Instead of using Insert, use Multiply. - Start the multiply, and let one repetition play, this will be the one kept. - at the second cycle of the multiply, drop feedback to 0 as you begin playing new stuff. - Continue playing for however many "inserts" you want to do. - End multiply, and return feedback to 100% as the original cycle starts Because it is Multiply, the original material continues to play as you add new material. Because you still have Mix set to Loop, nothing you play at that time is being heard as you play it, but it is being added to the loop. Because feedback is at 0 while you are multiplying, the original material in the later cycles of the multiply will be gone the next time around, leaving only the new stuff. You will only hear the old stuff as the Multiply is being done, so the sound does not stop for the audience. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 26 16:10:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3QK9lG15390; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 16:09:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 16:09:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 13:09:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Raül Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Portable Field Recorders Reply-To: rauboto@ad-free.info X-Originating-Ip: [80.58.38.107] Message-Id: <20030426200924.33D023A15@sitemail.everyone.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h3QK9PB15352 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi! I use a portable SONY MD MRZ900 (others are better: preamps, less noise, i.e. Sharp's) and Core Sound Binaural mics. Works fine for me ... My two cents ;-) Raül. _____________________________________________________________ fighting for independence? - incorporate online, simple and inexpensive: http://www.ad-free.info/incorporatestart.htm hate online advertising? we answer the call: http://www.ad-free-mall.biz/shop/company/aboutus.aspx _____________________________________________________________ if somebody used our e-mail system for spamming, please follow our anti-spam policy here: http://www.ad-free-mall.biz/shop/company/spaminfo.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 26 17:19:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3QLIT024746; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 17:18:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 17:18:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 14:18:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Raül Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ANDY BUTLER's new EDP/Guitar improv!! Reply-To: rauboto@ad-free.info X-Originating-Ip: [80.58.38.107] Message-Id: <20030426211803.836933978@sitemail.everyone.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h3QLI4B24695 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Beatifull ... Put me the second in the buying list ;-) Raül. >Can't wait for the CD. I'll be one of the first to buy it. > >Congratulations, Andy. > >Rick Walker > > > >p.s. you can download it at www.andybutler.com _____________________________________________________________ fighting for independence? - incorporate online, simple and inexpensive: http://www.ad-free.info/incorporatestart.htm hate online advertising? we answer the call: http://www.ad-free-mall.biz/shop/company/aboutus.aspx _____________________________________________________________ if somebody used our e-mail system for spamming, please follow our anti-spam policy here: http://www.ad-free-mall.biz/shop/company/spaminfo.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 26 18:14:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3QMDaV00347; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 18:13:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 18:13:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 23:16:07 +0100 Subject: LOOPING TRIVIA QUESTION From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030426122042.04787008@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all Do anyone know what the first looping pieces were to use digital equipment. i.e. the first pieces of looping music made using the lexicon pcm42???? Also does anyone know what were the first commercially available recording made with the Paradis Loop Delay after its release in 1991??? This is for my history of looping essay. which seems to be going well So far the people who have contributed are Terry Riley, Pauline Oliveros and most of the San Francisco tape Music Center, Steve Lawson. People who are helping me at the moment, David Torn, Amy X, Pamela Z, Andre Lafosse, Various Max/Msp programmers etc. Still trying to get contemporary classical artist Jim Fulkerson Its proved a hell of an education for me so far!!! So if you know anything, no matter how small please speak up!! Thankyou Geoff P.S. I will have my 2nd EDP soon, can't tell you how excited I am. I don't give a damn about stereo I just want independant loops!!! If I ever become rich, or should I say when I become rich man I'll buy ten of the motherfreakers!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 26 18:53:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3QMqmL04850; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 18:52:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 18:52:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EAB0C8E.568327A4@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 15:47:42 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Asking the architects (Re: LOOPING TRIVIA QUESTION) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Geoff, Geoff Smith wrote: > This is for my history of looping essay. > which seems to be going well > So far the people who have contributed are Terry Riley, Pauline Oliveros and > most of the San Francisco tape Music Center, Steve Lawson. > People who are helping me at the moment, David Torn, Amy X, Pamela Z, Andre > Lafosse, Various Max/Msp programmers etc. > Still trying to get contemporary classical artist Jim Fulkerson I'm absolutely flattered to be invited to contribute to your work, Geoff, and I greatly appreciate your interest. I do have one suggestion, though, which is that I think it would be very useful and important for you to seriously consider talking to some of the key designers and inventors involved in this stuff as well. Off the top of my head, Gary Hall, Bob Sellon, Matthias Grob, Kim Flint, Mike Nelson, Damon Langois, Claude Voit, and Andy Butler are all people who have seriously impacted the feature set that's available on loopers, and played very key roles in the evolution of the technology. (I'm sure I'm leaving out and/or simply ignorant of a lot of other pivotal folks as well.) Since you're obviously making a serious effort to be comprehensive with your writing, I do think it'd be very valuable to get the points of view of the key folks who made this stuff for the rest of us in the first place, if it's possible and/or fits in with the planned angle of your paper. Anyway, thanks again for your work and interest - I certainly look forward to seeing your finished result, and I'll send you my answers ASAP... Best, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com > > Its proved a hell of an education for me so far!!! > > So if you know anything, no matter how small please speak up!! > > Thankyou > > Geoff > > P.S. I will have my 2nd EDP soon, can't tell you how excited I am. I don't > give a damn about stereo I just want independant loops!!! > > If I ever become rich, or should I say when I become rich man I'll buy ten > of the motherfreakers!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 26 19:04:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3QN4Br07182; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 19:04:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 19:04:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 00:07:20 +0100 Subject: Re: Asking the architects (Re: LOOPING TRIVIA QUESTION) From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3EAB0C8E.568327A4@earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll get on it been so busy researching what seems and sometimes feels like the world, not to mention having my tonsils out, almost bleeding to death etc. Need to learn Eno's trick of only sleeping 4hours a day. Cheers Geoff on 26/4/03 11:47 pm, Andre LaFosse at altruist@earthlink.net wrote: > Hi Geoff, > > Geoff Smith wrote: > >> This is for my history of looping essay. >> which seems to be going well >> So far the people who have contributed are Terry Riley, Pauline Oliveros and >> most of the San Francisco tape Music Center, Steve Lawson. >> People who are helping me at the moment, David Torn, Amy X, Pamela Z, Andre >> Lafosse, Various Max/Msp programmers etc. >> Still trying to get contemporary classical artist Jim Fulkerson > > I'm absolutely flattered to be invited to contribute to your work, > Geoff, and I greatly appreciate your interest. > > I do have one suggestion, though, which is that I think it would be very > useful and important for you to seriously consider talking to some of > the key designers and inventors involved in this stuff as well. > > Off the top of my head, Gary Hall, Bob Sellon, Matthias Grob, Kim Flint, > Mike Nelson, Damon Langois, Claude Voit, and Andy Butler are all people > who have seriously impacted the feature set that's available on loopers, > and played very key roles in the evolution of the technology. (I'm sure > I'm leaving out and/or simply ignorant of a lot of other pivotal folks > as well.) > > Since you're obviously making a serious effort to be comprehensive with > your writing, I do think it'd be very valuable to get the points of view > of the key folks who made this stuff for the rest of us in the first > place, if it's possible and/or fits in with the planned angle of your paper. > > Anyway, thanks again for your work and interest - I certainly look > forward to seeing your finished result, and I'll send you my answers ASAP... > > Best, > > --Andre LaFosse > http://www.altruistmusic.com > > >> >> Its proved a hell of an education for me so far!!! >> >> So if you know anything, no matter how small please speak up!! >> >> Thankyou >> >> Geoff >> >> P.S. I will have my 2nd EDP soon, can't tell you how excited I am. I don't >> give a damn about stereo I just want independant loops!!! >> >> If I ever become rich, or should I say when I become rich man I'll buy ten >> of the motherfreakers!!!! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 26 20:26:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3R0P2Q17331; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 20:25:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 20:25:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c30c53$609b1160$bf08fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: Subject: Filter poles... Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 18:24:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry to go OT here, but I have been looking around online and can't figure out what the difference between a 4-pole filter and a 6-pole filter is. Does it have to do with the amount of gain that can be applied/cut by the filter? -Jesse From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 26 20:31:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3R0URe17845; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 20:30:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 20:30:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c30c54$72263a80$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030426122042.04787008@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: EDP Insert question Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 20:32:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [129.44.189.57] at Sat, 26 Apr 2003 19:30:08 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim - I love how this sequence works. And the surprizes that await me each time I start to hear back the material I was playing but couldn't hear while I was laying it down. :) David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 3:31 PM Subject: Re: EDP Insert question > At 08:47 AM 4/25/2003, Michael Peters wrote: > >In the setting for this piece, I have turned the mix button far up to the > >'loop' end - I want the original signal to be hidden, only the looped part > >is supposed to be heard over the PA. So after having recorded something, the > >EDP loops it and people can hear the loop. > > > >Now I want to make inserts. The problem is that while I record the new > >Insert, there is nothing to be heard - because I have set the EDP mix to > >'loop'. > > > >Is there a way to hide the original signal - but not hiding it during the > >recording of an insert ? (the newest EDP software is installed.) > > Here's how to do this: > > - Instead of using Insert, use Multiply. > - Start the multiply, and let one repetition play, this will be the one kept. > - at the second cycle of the multiply, drop feedback to 0 as you begin > playing new stuff. > - Continue playing for however many "inserts" you want to do. > - End multiply, and return feedback to 100% as the original cycle starts > > Because it is Multiply, the original material continues to play as you add > new material. Because you still have Mix set to Loop, nothing you play at > that time is being heard as you play it, but it is being added to the loop. > Because feedback is at 0 while you are multiplying, the original material > in the later cycles of the multiply will be gone the next time around, > leaving only the new stuff. You will only hear the old stuff as the > Multiply is being done, so the sound does not stop for the audience. > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 26 21:35:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3R1YOa24791; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 21:34:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 21:34:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005801c30c5c$e2467a20$0961f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200304270031.h3R0VF017944@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V03 #283 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 18:32:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My wife, you little shit.......................... :-) Hey, Billy Idol's got nuttin' on me, babe and the babes at Goth night have never hit on me more than the day after I got that haircut. Wooooohoooooo!!!! Not bad for a guy pushin' 50........he he. Wait till you see the dayglo green dye job I did for my recent television appearance. I'll probably have to wait until after my tour to post some .mpegs of that show but it came out fabulously..........a four camera professional shoot of 30 minutes of only dayglo green plastic and black lights and van der graff generators and lava lamps and , and love you, mr. klobuchar rick ----- Original Message ----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 9:58 AM Subject: Re: Loopstock 2003 pictures In a message dated 4/26/03 12:45:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mark_hamburg@baymoon.com writes: http://www.baymoon.com/~mark_hamburg/ thanks mark.....did rick tell ya who's doin his hair lately?.....:).....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 26 21:49:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3R1lPH26254; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 21:47:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 21:47:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030427014705.92763.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 18:47:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeffrey Collins Subject: Re: Filter poles... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001701c30c53$609b1160$bf08fc0c@amd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1156943238-1051408025=:90769" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1156943238-1051408025=:90769 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii are you speaking of the waldorf? i'd love to get my hands on one of those. Jeffrey Jesse Ray Lucas wrote:Sorry to go OT here, but I have been looking around online and can't figure out what the difference between a 4-pole filter and a 6-pole filter is. Does it have to do with the amount of gain that can be applied/cut by the filter? -Jesse --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. 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are you speaking of the waldorf? i'd love to get my hands on one of those.
Jeffrey

Jesse Ray Lucas <jlucas@neoprimitive.net> wrote:
Sorry to go OT here, but I have been looking around online and can't figure
out what the difference between a 4-pole filter and a 6-pole filter is.
Does it have to do with the amount of gain that can be applied/cut by the
filter?

-Jesse

Do you Yahoo!?
The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. --0-1156943238-1051408025=:90769-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 26 21:53:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3R1qeb26920; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 21:52:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 21:52:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Filter poles... Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 21:52:18 -0400 Message-ID: <000601c30c5f$a30efa00$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <001701c30c53$609b1160$bf08fc0c@amd> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h3R1qKB26862 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't know for sure, but I did a search and found this interesting information maybe it has the full answer http://www-ccrma.stanford.edu/~jos/filters/ -----Original Message----- From: Jesse Ray Lucas [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net] Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 8:25 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Filter poles... Sorry to go OT here, but I have been looking around online and can't figure out what the difference between a 4-pole filter and a 6-pole filter is. Does it have to do with the amount of gain that can be applied/cut by the filter? -Jesse From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 26 22:00:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3R1xPI29018; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 21:59:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 21:59:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030426184148.02b0b908@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 18:59:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Filter poles... In-Reply-To: <001701c30c53$609b1160$bf08fc0c@amd> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <_9zvSB.A.fxG.elzq-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:24 PM 4/26/2003, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: >Sorry to go OT here, but I have been looking around online and can't figure >out what the difference between a 4-pole filter and a 6-pole filter is. >Does it have to do with the amount of gain that can be applied/cut by the >filter? "pole" refers to an aspect of the mathematical description of a filter. I guess the best way to understand it intuitively is to think of a frequency response plot of a filter, which you have probably seen. They have frequency along the x-axis and the gain on the y-axis. A pole will be an inflection point along the frequency axis where the slope of the curve changes negatively by 6dB/octave. For example a single pole at 5 kHz will cause the gain to start sloping downwards, such that it will be 6dB lower by 10 kHz. Several poles together means the slope changes that many times more. So a 4-pole filter will have the gain slope change by 24dB/octave, and a 6-pole filter will have the gain slope change by 36dB/octave. In other words, the 6-pole filter is a more drastic gain cut than a 4-pole filter. The opposite of a pole is a zero, which is a point in frequency where the slope changes more positive by 6dB/octave. there's a lot more that goes into a filter design than that, but hopefully this answers your question. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 26 22:13:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3R2Cg530251; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 22:12:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 22:12:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c30c62$68703be0$bf08fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030426184148.02b0b908@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Filter poles... Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 20:12:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Indeed it does. More poles = more drastic filtering (steeper cutoff slope). Gotcha. Thanks, man! Probably coulda/shoulda figured that out by looking at the graphic representations of the filters in Kontakt. Duh. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 7:59 PM Subject: Re: Filter poles... > there's a lot more that goes into a filter design than that, but hopefully > this answers your question. > > kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 27 01:57:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3R5uPS24990; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 01:56:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 01:56:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <149.fd8d322.2bdccad1@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 01:55:29 EDT Subject: Re: LOOPING TRIVIA QUESTION To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.music.columbia.edu/~cecenter/mhl21/ct/ct.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 27 03:13:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3R7CNG03279; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 03:12:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 03:12:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 00:10:30 -0700 Subject: Re: LOOPING TRIVIA QUESTION From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hi all > > Do anyone know what the first looping pieces were to use digital equipment. > > i.e. the first pieces of looping music made using the lexicon pcm42???? > > Geoff i dont know the 1st time for the pcm42-but i think the last time was me this afternoon... ;-) seeya stain From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 27 05:34:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3R9WSL22497; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 05:32:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 05:32:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c30c9f$aa0cba00$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: Repeater as Used by Bill Walker Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 10:30:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>The most interesting thing Bill did in his show in San Luis Obispo IMHO was to use the synth guitar info to modulate the pitch of the Repeater loop. One of the biggest limitations of loop music seems to me to be the tendency to stay in one tonality--and he used the pitch shift to great effect. Plays pretty good too!<<<< I'm amazed you can pick out a most interesting thing from Bill's performance - he's got to be one of the most engaging looping people I've ever come across - writes great tunes, gets amazing sounds, some very cool loop tricks and is funny with it! ..and don't get me started on Bill's guitar tone - if ever I'm talking to tone-purists who go on about the feeble-ness of modeling amps, I have to agree in lots of cases, but suggest that they somehow get to hear Bill - better tone than most guys I've heard using matchless amps... ...shame he such an ass-hole... Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 27 05:57:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3R9tvA25809; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 05:55:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 05:55:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030427114601.016a20b0@pop.free.fr> X-Sender: waveform@pop.free.fr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 11:55:14 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: daviD Subject: Re: Filter poles... In-Reply-To: <200304270031.h3R0VFB17945@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 18:24:33 -0600 >From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" >To: >Subject: Filter poles... > >Sorry to go OT here, but I have been looking around online and can't figure >out what the difference between a 4-pole filter and a 6-pole filter is. >Does it have to do with the amount of gain that can be applied/cut by the >filter? It determines the steepness of the cutting curve, i.e. how fast the filtered signal falls off with frequency (filter rolloff, measured in dB/octave). In other words, the number of dB/oct is a measure of how much frequency will be attenuated for each octave beyond the cutoff frequency (each octave represents a doubling of the frequency : a 1,000 Hz sinewave is exactly one octave higher than a 500 Hz one for example). The rolloff in dB is equal to 6*NP (NP being the number of poles). Most filters used in synths etc. are either 2 poles (12dB/oct) or 4 poles (24dB/oct). In effect, the most important thing is how the filter actually sounds ;) "What sounds to you like a big load of trashy old noise is in fact the brilliant music of the genius, myself" Iggy Pop From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 27 07:28:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3RBOi103957; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 07:24:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 07:24:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005901c30caf$96340eb0$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> From: "Paul Marshall" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030427114601.016a20b0@pop.free.fr> Subject: tony martucci - looping drummer video Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 12:24:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was just checking through the Kennedy centre archives and came across a chap called Tony Martucci using looping technology in a one-man percussive performance. 55 minutes in total but only two looped tracks, viz the second track, approx 8 minutes into the performance, and again at about 34 mins or something of that order which is as far as I got before realaudio decided to be come all picture and no sound. It sounds like he's using a DL-4 or other basic looping function to create a foundation loop, overdubbing more material and then grooving over the top. Interesting & relevant stuff for me as a solo percussionist preparing for a gig (my inaugural looping gig) with Rick Walker in Belfast as part of his euroloop tour, June 13 Linenhall Library, Belfast if I may get away with a plug. :) http://play.rbn.com/?url=kennedy/kennedyg2/g2demand/01212003_1800_MSN.rm&pro to=rtsp You may need to cut & paste the link above to get it to work. Enjoy Paul ---------------------- Paul Marshall Portfolio Sound Artist www.powerhaus.net www.drumdojo.com NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation www.dacapo.co.uk Drumdojo Recommended Reading For April 2003 - Indigenous Irish Percussion http://www.drumdojo.com/world/ireland/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "daviD" To: Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 10:55 AM Subject: Re: Filter poles... > > >Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 18:24:33 -0600 > >From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" > >To: > >Subject: Filter poles... > > > >Sorry to go OT here, but I have been looking around online and can't figure > >out what the difference between a 4-pole filter and a 6-pole filter is. > >Does it have to do with the amount of gain that can be applied/cut by the > >filter? > > It determines the steepness of the cutting curve, i.e. how fast the > filtered signal falls off with frequency (filter rolloff, measured in > dB/octave). In other words, the number of dB/oct is a measure of how much > frequency will be attenuated for each octave beyond the cutoff frequency > (each octave represents a doubling of the frequency : a 1,000 Hz sinewave > is exactly one octave higher than a 500 Hz one for example). > > The rolloff in dB is equal to 6*NP (NP being the number of poles). > Most filters used in synths etc. are either 2 poles (12dB/oct) or 4 poles > (24dB/oct). > > In effect, the most important thing is how the filter actually sounds ;) > > > > "What sounds to you like a big load of trashy old noise > is in fact the brilliant music of the genius, myself" > Iggy Pop > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 27 13:07:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3RGh9704414; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 12:43:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 12:43:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 09:26:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: LOOPING TRIVIA QUESTION Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:16 PM +0100 4/26/03, Geoff Smith wrote: >Do anyone know what the first looping pieces were to use digital equipment. > >i.e. the first pieces of looping music made using the lexicon pcm42???? Pauline Oliveros was an early adopter of the PCM 42. She initially used two of them, one for each register of her accordion. That would have been early 1983. >Still trying to get contemporary classical artist Jim Fulkerson I think he lives in Holland. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 27 13:09:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3RH87g08126; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 13:08:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 13:08:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <193.1964f077.2bdd6494@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 12:51:32 EDT Subject: didnt read it but may be of interest to some To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_193.1964f077.2bdd6494_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_193.1964f077.2bdd6494_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: Loop-slicing tools such as Propellerhead ReCycle, Sonic Foundry Acid, and Ableton Live have taken the electronic-m --part1_193.1964f077.2bdd6494_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Click here: Loop-slicing tools suc= h as Propellerhead ReCycle, Sonic Foundry Acid, and Ableton Live have taken=20= the electronic-m --part1_193.1964f077.2bdd6494_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 27 13:32:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3RHVm010312; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 13:31:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 13:31:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 10:30:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: LOOPING TRIVIA QUESTION Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:16 PM +0100 4/26/03, Geoff Smith wrote: >Do anyone know what the first looping pieces were to use digital equipment. The first digital looping pieces would have been done on mainframe computer music systems in the 1970s and early 1980s. I can't think of any specific works at the moment, but I know that I myself was doing some live looping on the VAX 11/780 at CARL (Computer Audio Research Lab) at UC San Diego in 1981-82. There are several loop-based sections in my theater piece "soul murder" (1982). The real hotbeds for this early work were CCRMA at Stanford, IRCAM in Paris, and a few other research centers such as University of Illinois, MIT, and others. I have a few contacts if you want to pursue it. BTW- the first tapeless live looping I heard was an improvisation by the Electric Weasel Ensemble in 1976 at Cabrillo College in Santa Cruz, using Don Buchla's new analog delay line. Several of the performers had the flu, and Don captured some coughing and mangled it live. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 27 13:47:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3RHkNa12758; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 13:46:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 13:46:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 10:45:33 -0700 Subject: Bill Walker's amp modeler Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <002d01c30c9f$aa0cba00$e0154ed5@bigboy> Message-Id: <0BC3463E-78D8-11D7-BD03-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think I've seen enough people using the Line6 Pod Pro effectively to realize that amp modeling technology as arrived. I've noticed the last couple of times I've seen Trey Gunn he seems to use them for his stick, and his tone was also one of the best I've seen in a live situation (to those who don't know his work, do yourself a favor and see one of his live shows, my wife and I thought he was one of the best performers we'd seen in quite some time) It just stands to reason that eventually computing power and good software would eventually be able to model a tube amp effectively. It's a complex system, to be sure, but hell my ex girlfriend got her doctorate writing code that modeled gravity wells in black hole situations. Anyway, I swear by my Johnson. It's less fragile, quieter and more powerful than my Ampeg Reverbrocket, and it has great tone. When I got the Reverbrocket I did A/B tests, and I swear some of the models on the Johnson sounded embarrassingly good. I've also heard people who use vintage tube stuff exclusively that sound like crap. Part of me waxes nostalgic about what's sure to be the end of tube amps, but the other part realizes that tubes are the result of a pretty nasty manufacturing process (so are microchips but they're not disposable like tubes are) and will for sure be ever harder to get as time goes by. Oh well. Then again, every time I hear Andre Lafosse play out of that Mesa/Boogie he uses I think, "wow, such tone..." Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, April 27, 2003, at 02:30 AM, Steve Lawson wrote: > if ever I'm talking to tone-purists who go on about the > feeble-ness of modeling amps, I have to agree in lots of cases, but > suggest that they somehow get to hear Bill - better tone than most > guys I've heard using matchless amps... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 27 14:33:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3RIWqB20450; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 14:32:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 14:32:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EAC2236.2010406@quik.com> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 11:32:22 -0700 From: dgoat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Little Whales update: I Gave My Dead Love a Red Rose References: <152.1e9da7da.2bdaf76b@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <152.1e9da7da.2bdaf76b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's the latest from the "Little Whales" loop project. The title is "I Gave My Dead Love a Red Rose." Comments welcome. http://littlewhales.thedivided.com/ The base loop was played with my Parker NiteFly and Koll Thunder Glide bass. Effects used were 2 SIB Varidrive overdrives, a George Dennis volume pedal, a Mooger Fooger Ring Modulator, and a big reverb on an Alesis Quadraverb. The loop was made on a Line 6 DL4. The steel guitar was improvised live on top of the loop. D.G. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 27 15:16:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3RJFaR27713; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 15:15:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 15:15:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030427115250.04b5b2e0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 12:13:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Pedal Response with Echoplex Digital Pro using "In" Loop Mode In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:33 PM 4/24/2003, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: >I bought a Boss FV-50L pedal to use with my EDP. Haven't used it much as I >use MIDI to control my loops--but then I discovered the "In" mode and liked >it--but I find that the response curve isn't right in this mode. "isn't right" I suppose is a subjective thing. The pedal is directly controlling the input volume into the loop in the "In" mode. I suppose if the pedal doesn't offer a feel that you like, you should try a different pedal? >What's >funny is that the curve is fine in the Loop Mode In Loop Mode the pedal controls the feedback, which is completely different from loop input volume in "In" mode. How is it that you are comparing them? I just did a listening test, comparing how much the audio levels changed in different regions of the pedal to how much the feedback audibly changed in different regions, and it seemed to me the relative changes were about the same. It's sort of an apples to oranges comparison though, so it's hard to measure. >--shows the right response >on the display--but there isn't a display in most of the other modes, and I >can tell by listening that the input is only really happening at the end of >the throw of the 50L. Can you tell by listening where the feedback happens? A small change in feedback is a more noticeable thing than a small change in volume, since it gets multiplied over the repetitions. by the way, there is no display for the pedal controlled volume during In and Out modes because in those cases the pedal is operating as an analog volume pedal, and there is no digital control. Therefore, there is not data in the digital realm to display. We found that the digital volume control just wasn't very smooth, so we did it in analog where it sounded a lot better. >What gives? It sounds to me like you just don't like the feel of that pedal, and you might want to try a different one. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 27 16:07:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3RK5gM02471; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 16:05:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 16:05:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003601c30cf8$53943370$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> From: "Paul Marshall" To: References: <152.1e9da7da.2bdaf76b@aol.com> <3EAC2236.2010406@quik.com> Subject: Looping percussionists Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 21:05:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey loopers I was listening to DG's 'red rose' track and enjoying it tremendously, one problem, it's too short!! That started me thinking *again* that I should ask on the group if there is anyone here who is a looping percussionist. There seem to be lots of guitar/bass players doing lots of great stuff, Stuart's violin material is great IMO and Rick is completely off the wall, most excellent! but I hanker after rhythmic playfulness, free from the rigours of melody and harmony (LOL what a load of pretentious crap :) Is there anyone who doesn't play tuned instruments for loops, or who has done so, I'm not looking to steal ideas :) just to see what is being done with percussive live looping. In my own practises I've found it relatively easy to build up a big samba or other parts-based piece, I've also enjoyed messing around with voice and just whatever instruments or noises I have to hand. I haven't really heard any percussionists' takes on this so I'm interested to hear what approach anyone else is taking, I'm happy to share from my brief experiences to date if that is any use. I only have a DL-4 but I have found it very workable as long as you're accurate on the initial recording pass and I love those delays, almost more fun than looping and it sure keeps your timing tight which is a good thing in my business. Cheers to all and thanks Paul ---------------------- Paul Marshall Portfolio Sound Artist www.powerhaus.net www.drumdojo.com www.differentdrums.co.uk NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation www.dacapo.co.uk Drumdojo Recommended Reading For April 2003 - Indigenous Irish Percussion http://www.drumdojo.com/world/ireland/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "dgoat" To: Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 7:32 PM Subject: Little Whales update: I Gave My Dead Love a Red Rose > > Here's the latest from the "Little Whales" loop project. The title is "I > Gave My Dead Love a Red Rose." Comments welcome. > > http://littlewhales.thedivided.com/ > > The base loop was played with my Parker NiteFly and Koll Thunder Glide > bass. Effects used were 2 SIB Varidrive overdrives, a George Dennis > volume pedal, a Mooger Fooger Ring Modulator, and a big reverb on an > Alesis Quadraverb. The loop was made on a Line 6 DL4. The steel guitar > was improvised live on top of the loop. > > D.G. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 27 16:23:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3RKN0p04571; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 16:23:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 16:23:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.14.93.11] X-Originating-Email: [armyofpie@hotmail.com] From: "Will Wright" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Portable Field Recorders Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 13:22:05 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Apr 2003 20:22:05.0381 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB6B7750:01C30CFA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I picked up a Korg PXR4 digital recorder and it's really really cool, The frightengly huge amount of features built into a device smaller than many portable tape players seems to annoy some people (each button does several things and some menus are pretty labrynthine) but once I got past the fear instilling 100 page manual and figured out the functions I actually cared about it's quite easy to use. Will Wright Army of Pie >From: Jhsidlo@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Portable Field Recorders >Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 08:43:46 -0400 > > Recommendations for recorders and mics concerning field recordings >would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, James > _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 27 16:29:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3RKSR405146; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 16:28:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 16:28:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EAC3D4C.4000605@quik.com> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 13:27:56 -0700 From: dgoat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping percussionists References: <152.1e9da7da.2bdaf76b@aol.com> <3EAC2236.2010406@quik.com> <003601c30cf8$53943370$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> In-Reply-To: <003601c30cf8$53943370$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Paul Marshall wrote: > Hey loopers > > I was listening to DG's 'red rose' track and enjoying it tremendously, one > problem, it's too short!! Heh, thanks! That just happened to be the length that the tune told me it had to be... > That started me thinking *again* that I should ask on the group if there is > anyone here who is a looping percussionist. I don't think he's on the list, but Scott Amendola does a lot of percussion looping with the Nels Cline Singers, and last time I saw the Trey Gunn Band, the drummer was also doing a lot of *very* tasty looping. Also, my drummer does some percussion looping, though he mainly does voice loops... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 27 17:09:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3RL83t11196; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 17:08:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 17:08:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 14:05:12 -0700 Subject: Re: Bill Walker's amp modeler From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0BC3463E-78D8-11D7-BD03-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > It just stands to reason that eventually computing power and good > software would eventually be able to model a tube amp effectively. > It's a complex system, to be sure, but hell my ex girlfriend got her > doctorate writing code that modeled gravity wells in black hole > situations. Anyway, I swear by my Johnson. It's less fragile, quieter > and more powerful than my Ampeg Reverbrocket, and it has great tone. > When I got the Reverbrocket I did A/B tests, and I swear some of the > models on the Johnson sounded embarrassingly good. I've also heard > people who use vintage tube stuff exclusively that sound like crap. > > Part of me waxes nostalgic about what's sure to be the end of tube > amps, but the other part realizes that tubes are the result of a pretty > nasty manufacturing process (so are microchips but they're not > disposable like tubes are) and will for sure be ever harder to get as > time goes by. Oh well. > > Then again, every time I hear Andre Lafosse play out of that > Mesa/Boogie he uses I think, "wow, such tone..." > > Mark Sottilaro well mark, i guess that ol' addage is correct-"unreasonable people can disagree" usually the arguements i get into are about the weight of the amps and the price of tubes and amps and the fact that tubes wear out. its hardly ever about where tone is king. your use of the word 'model' is good. from webster:"a miniature representation of something." the final arbiter for me is -either you hear and feel it or you dont. if yo dont then dont waste time,money and yer back on vacuum tube amplifiers. stale (i agree that bill has a great tone going...not that it couldnt be mo' betta w/ totally tubular technology.) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 27 17:12:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3RLCBF11791; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 17:12:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 17:12:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 22:14:26 +0100 Subject: Re: LOOPING TRIVIA QUESTION reply to Dr Richard Zvonar From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 27/4/03 5:26 pm, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote: > At 11:16 PM +0100 4/26/03, Geoff Smith wrote: > >> Do anyone know what the first looping pieces were to use digital equipment. >> >> i.e. the first pieces of looping music made using the lexicon pcm42???? > > Pauline Oliveros was an early adopter of the PCM 42. She initially > used two of them, one for each register of her accordion. That would > have been early 1983. > Thankyou, I have been reading her book 'the roots of movement' which discusses her use of the PCM 42 and how she used it in her Extended Instrument System. Good confirm that she was one of the first though. > >> Still trying to get contemporary classical artist Jim Fulkerson > > I think he lives in Holland. Yep and he's coming to my college in a few weeks as part of the Barton Workshop. Definitely a great player, who made me re-think the potential of the Trombone. ----------------------- Next message >DoES anyone know what the first looping pieces were to use digital equipment. You said "The first digital looping pieces would have been done on mainframe computer music systems in the 1970s and early 1980s. I can't think of any specific works at the moment, but I know that I myself was doing some live looping on the VAX 11/780 at CARL (Computer Audio Research Lab) at UC San Diego in 1981-82. There are several loop-based sections in my theater piece "soul murder" (1982)." I MUST LOOK AT YOUR WORK MORE CLOSELY!!!! You said "The real hotbeds for this early work were CCRMA at Stanford, IRCAM in Paris, and a few other research centers such as University of Illinois, MIT, and others. I have a few contacts if you want to pursue it." I WOULD DEFINETLY BE INTERESTED IN PERSUING THIS. you said "BTW- the first tapeless live looping I heard was an improvisation by the Electric Weasel Ensemble in 1976 at Cabrillo College in Santa Cruz, using Don Buchla's new analog delay line. Several of the performers had the flu, and Don captured some coughing and mangled it live." YOU ARE AS ALWAYS A FOUNTAIN OF KNOWLEDGE, HAVE YOU EVER THOUGHT OF WRITING A BOOK ON THE SUBJECT???? Cheers Geoff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 27 18:08:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3RM7DJ19435; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 18:07:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 18:07:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c30d09$9578e220$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: LOOPING on MAINFRAME Computers -- WAS: TRIVIA QUESTION reply to Dr Richard Zvonar Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 18:08:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [68.160.34.117] at Sun, 27 Apr 2003 17:06:44 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <8VXOpD.A.BvE.6RFr-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You're shitting me!! People were looping on DEC PDP-11's !!!!!! Oh my God. What a thought. Hey, was anyone looping on DEC 10's or DEC 20's?? What about looping in MVS/DOS/VSE/ on IBM/Amdahl/Hitachi mainframes?? Anyone?? David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Smith" To: Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 5:14 PM Subject: Re: LOOPING TRIVIA QUESTION reply to Dr Richard Zvonar > on 27/4/03 5:26 pm, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote: > > > At 11:16 PM +0100 4/26/03, Geoff Smith wrote: > > > >> Do anyone know what the first looping pieces were to use digital equipment. > >> > >> i.e. the first pieces of looping music made using the lexicon pcm42???? > > > > Pauline Oliveros was an early adopter of the PCM 42. She initially > > used two of them, one for each register of her accordion. That would > > have been early 1983. > > > Thankyou, I have been reading her book 'the roots of movement' which > discusses her use of the PCM 42 and how she used it in her Extended > Instrument System. Good confirm that she was one of the first though. > > > > >> Still trying to get contemporary classical artist Jim Fulkerson > > > > I think he lives in Holland. > Yep and he's coming to my college in a few weeks as part of the Barton > Workshop. > Definitely a great player, who made me re-think the potential of the > Trombone. > > ----------------------- Next message > >DoES anyone know what the first looping pieces were to use digital equipment. > > You said > "The first digital looping pieces would have been done on mainframe > computer music systems in the 1970s and early 1980s. I can't think of > any specific works at the moment, but I know that I myself was doing > some live looping on the VAX 11/780 at CARL (Computer Audio Research > Lab) at UC San Diego in 1981-82. There are several loop-based > sections in my theater piece "soul murder" (1982)." > I MUST LOOK AT YOUR WORK MORE CLOSELY!!!! > > You said > "The real hotbeds for this early work were CCRMA at Stanford, IRCAM in > Paris, and a few other research centers such as University of > Illinois, MIT, and others. I have a few contacts if you want to > pursue it." > I WOULD DEFINETLY BE INTERESTED IN PERSUING THIS. > > you said > "BTW- the first tapeless live looping I heard was an improvisation by > the Electric Weasel Ensemble in 1976 at Cabrillo College in Santa > Cruz, using Don Buchla's new analog delay line. Several of the > performers had the flu, and Don captured some coughing and mangled it > live." > YOU ARE AS ALWAYS A FOUNTAIN OF KNOWLEDGE, HAVE YOU EVER THOUGHT OF WRITING > A BOOK ON THE SUBJECT???? > > Cheers > Geoff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 27 18:43:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3RMgxh23514; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 18:42:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 18:42:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 23:45:22 +0100 Subject: Re: Looping percussionists From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003601c30cf8$53943370$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6VeBWC.A.quF.ZzFr-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I will be working with a drummer in about three weeks time to produce a live-looping drum extravaganzer. Live-Kit plus percussion + 2EDPs all synced via an MPC-2000 (Had the drummer modified to respond to midi time code! just kidding he will play to a DEAFINING click track, RAM that pulse home). Rehearsing is always hard though as drums are very loud and hence not popular with the neighbors!!! Other percussion stuff I do revolves around my MPC2000 so more like electronic stuff. I generally use live-looping on my voice and female ensemble voices in my own work, Should be writing a piece for a five piece all female choir next week. However when I'm relaxing the guitar is my favourite instrument of choice to loop with as its just so well suited. So much to do so little time! Cheers geoff on 27/4/03 9:05 pm, Paul Marshall at paul@powerhaus.net wrote: > Hey loopers > > I was listening to DG's 'red rose' track and enjoying it tremendously, one > problem, it's too short!! > > That started me thinking *again* that I should ask on the group if there is > anyone here who is a looping percussionist. There seem to be lots of > guitar/bass players doing lots of great stuff, Stuart's violin material is > great IMO and Rick is completely off the wall, most excellent! but I hanker > after rhythmic playfulness, free from the rigours of melody and harmony (LOL > what a load of pretentious crap :) > > Is there anyone who doesn't play tuned instruments for loops, or who has > done so, I'm not looking to steal ideas :) just to see what is being done > with percussive live looping. In my own practises I've found it relatively > easy to build up a big samba or other parts-based piece, I've also enjoyed > messing around with voice and just whatever instruments or noises I have to > hand. I haven't really heard any percussionists' takes on this so I'm > interested to hear what approach anyone else is taking, I'm happy to share > from my brief experiences to date if that is any use. > > I only have a DL-4 but I have found it very workable as long as you're > accurate on the initial recording pass and I love those delays, almost more > fun than looping and it sure keeps your timing tight which is a good thing > in my business. > > Cheers to all and thanks > > Paul > ---------------------- > Paul Marshall > Portfolio Sound Artist > www.powerhaus.net > www.drumdojo.com > www.differentdrums.co.uk > NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation > www.dacapo.co.uk > Drumdojo Recommended Reading For April 2003 - Indigenous Irish Percussion > http://www.drumdojo.com/world/ireland/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "dgoat" > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 7:32 PM > Subject: Little Whales update: I Gave My Dead Love a Red Rose > > >> >> Here's the latest from the "Little Whales" loop project. The title is "I >> Gave My Dead Love a Red Rose." Comments welcome. >> >> http://littlewhales.thedivided.com/ >> >> The base loop was played with my Parker NiteFly and Koll Thunder Glide >> bass. Effects used were 2 SIB Varidrive overdrives, a George Dennis >> volume pedal, a Mooger Fooger Ring Modulator, and a big reverb on an >> Alesis Quadraverb. The loop was made on a Line 6 DL4. The steel guitar >> was improvised live on top of the loop. >> >> D.G. >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 27 18:51:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3RMoKb24549; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 18:50:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 18:50:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 15:35:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: LOOPING TRIVIA QUESTION reply to Dr Richard Zvonar Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:14 PM +0100 4/27/03, Geoff Smith wrote: >>There are several loop-based sections in my theater piece "soul >>murder" (1982)." >I MUST LOOK AT YOUR WORK MORE CLOSELY!!!! Most of the looping in this piece was trivial, digital versions of tape loops, but there was one section that's kind of interesting. I was using a utility program, written by Gareth Loy, called "sfplay." This was external to the cmusic environment and was meant as a way to audition sound files and to find edit points. You could specify the beginning and end points of a segment, the sampling rate, and the number of playback repetitions. You could also specify a "nudge" value so that you could "walk" the playback window forward and back in time to find the edit point. I started using this technique as a sort of performance technique, moving the playback window through a sound file in incremental fashion. The result was a pulsating vocal burst that migrated slowly through a spoken phrase. >YOU ARE AS ALWAYS A FOUNTAIN OF KNOWLEDGE, HAVE YOU EVER THOUGHT OF WRITING >A BOOK ON THE SUBJECT???? Can you recommend a publisher? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 27 18:52:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3RMqIo24805; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 18:52:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 18:52:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c30d0f$c3ad7060$4ce4e20c@attbi.com> From: "Paul" To: References: <193.1964f077.2bdd6494@aol.com> Subject: Kinda OT: Digitech GNX3 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 18:53:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01C30CEE.3C4F8520" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C30CEE.3C4F8520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey: I noticed that Musicians' Friend reduced the price of the GNX3 device to = $399. I got AMS to match the price and ordered one via an "Easy Pay" = method of three payments. Not bad. Should be able to have some fun with = that gizmo! Regards, Paul ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C30CEE.3C4F8520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I noticed that Musicians' Friend = reduced the price=20 of the GNX3 device to $399. I got AMS to match the price and ordered one = via an=20 "Easy Pay" method of three payments. Not bad. Should be able to have = some fun=20 with that gizmo!
 
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------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C30CEE.3C4F8520-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 27 18:55:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3RMt1Q25192; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 18:55:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 18:55:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001201c30d09$9578e220$0affff0a@hppav> References: <001201c30d09$9578e220$0affff0a@hppav> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 15:51:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: LOOPING on MAINFRAME Computers -- WAS: TRIVIA QUESTION reply to Dr Richard Zvonar Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:08 PM -0400 4/27/03, David wrote: >You're shitting me!! People were looping on DEC PDP-11's !!!!!! >Oh my God. > >What a thought. Hey, was anyone looping on DEC 10's or DEC 20's?? I suppose Andy Moorer or Dick Moore might know. Looping of the sequencer variety was possible on the Bell Labs GROOVE system (ca.1970). I don't know about looping on PDPs, but in 1969 I attended a demonstration at Project Mac, MIT that featured an interactive duet between mainframe computer and musical saw. John Cage was the MC. Gordon Mumma played the saw part and Steve Smoliar was at the computer console. The saw sounds were digitized and analyzed by the computer, which then responded with its own synthesized part. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 27 19:06:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3RN48727593; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 19:04:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 19:04:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 00:06:37 +0100 Subject: Re: LOOPING TRIVIA QUESTION reply to Dr Richard Zvonar From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Unfortunately no I am a mere student, who hopes to eventually get published so he can become a lecturer to support his extreme fascination for musical experimentation. Grants can only take you so far.... I intend to make Live-Looping my specialist subject as the artists involved seem to contain a love of experimentation similar to my own. Its taken me three years to find a musical movement which truly excites me. Live-looping is it ...... and of course late 60 and 70s soul music! I'll always love James Brown! live at the Apollo 1 and 2 I've never heard a voice reach such heights of intensity since! Geoff > Can you recommend a publisher? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 27 19:11:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3RNApe28279; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 19:10:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 19:10:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 00:13:52 +0100 Subject: Re: LOOPING TRIVIA QUESTION reply to Dr Richard Zvonar From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Most of the looping in this piece was trivial, digital versions of > tape loops, but there was one section that's kind of interesting. I > was using a utility program, written by Gareth Loy, called "sfplay." > This was external to the cmusic environment and was meant as a way to > audition sound files and to find edit points. You could specify the > beginning and end points of a segment, the sampling rate, and the > number of playback repetitions. You could also specify a "nudge" > value so that you could "walk" the playback window forward and back > in time to find the edit point. I started using this technique as a > sort of performance technique, moving the playback window through a > sound file in incremental fashion. The result was a pulsating vocal > burst that migrated slowly through a spoken phrase. This sounds very ahead of its time, However my knowledge of this period in looping is still extremely vague. I must check out your web site thoroughly, your work sounds v.interesting. Hope one day, I can buy you dinner and ask you all about looping its history and your work. If you ever come to England try to get a weeks residency at Dartington College of Arts, I think they'd like you and your work a lot. The last person we had from America was DJ Spooky. Cheers Geoff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 27 19:59:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3RNvfd01110; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 19:57:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 19:57:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Mizuho@aol.com Message-ID: <50.1bd37dc9.2bddc84a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 19:56:58 EDT Subject: Re: Kinda OT: Digitech GNX3 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's a cool box! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 27 20:00:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3RNuM400992; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 19:56:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 19:56:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007b01c30d18$867fbb40$1fc5590c@u73x0> From: "Cino" To: References: <152.1e9da7da.2bdaf76b@aol.com> <3EAC2236.2010406@quik.com> <003601c30cf8$53943370$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> Subject: Re: Looping percussionists Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 19:55:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Paul wrote: > That started me thinking *again* that I should ask > on the group if there is anyone here who is a looping > percussionist. > Is there anyone who doesn't play tuned instruments > for loops, or who has done so, I'm not looking to steal > ideas :) just to see what is being done with percussive > live looping. I believe that several list members will soon have some percussive looping pieces available for listening on the Chain Tape Collective site: http://www.music.columbia.edu/~cecenter/mhl21/ct/ct.html from the forthcoming "Percussion" project. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 27 21:09:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3S18L611671; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 21:08:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 21:08:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Pedal Response with Echoplex Digital Pro using "In" Loop Mode Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 18:07:40 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030427115250.04b5b2e0@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:33 PM 4/24/2003, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: >I bought a Boss FV-50L pedal to use with my EDP. Haven't used it much as I >use MIDI to control my loops--but then I discovered the "In" mode and liked >it--but I find that the response curve isn't right in this mode. Our friend Kim replied: "isn't right" I suppose is a subjective thing. The pedal is directly controlling the input volume into the loop in the "In" mode. I suppose if the pedal doesn't offer a feel that you like, you should try a different pedal? It sounds to me like you just don't like the feel of that pedal, and you might want to try a different one. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com Let us now speak of the feel of the Boss Pedal. It's plastic and easy to push. I don't mind it. I just tried an old Ernie Ball. It feels great! It doesn't have the right values tho--won't make the input volume change . . . Guess that means I would have to replace the pot. Last time I tried doing home electronics I ruined two FS300s trying to make an EDP foot pedal replacement. What pedal is recommended for using the "In" mode to control the Echoplex using the foot pedal input on the back of the unit? Isn't the FV-50L the recommended pedal? On the subject of tone and guitar, I find that although the MPX-G2 is pre-modeling, it's got tons of tone. I'm pretty darned happy with it as a guitar direct injection thang. I do find that the internal Jamman doesn't respond to MIDI any better than the original Jamman--reminded me why I was so happy to have sold mine. In any case, I thank Kim for responding to my question and will continue to experiment. Isn't that what it's all about anyway? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 27 21:16:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3S1Fxv12768; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 21:15:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 21:15:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Pedal Response with Echoplex Digital Pro using "In" Loop Mode Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 18:15:29 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just tried an old Ernie Ball. It feels great! It doesn't have the right values tho--won't make the input volume change . . . Guess that means I would have to replace the pot. Before someone suggests that I use this as a volume pedal, let me make clear that when the Gibson Digital Echoplex is in "In" mode the direct signal is heard and the input is independently controlled by the pedal--so that I would have to split my signal to achieve the same effect with a volume pedal. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 27 21:16:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3S1GJX12842; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 21:16:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 21:16:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EAC8072.4080802@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 21:14:26 -0400 From: Steve & Marty Thomas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE:looping percussionists Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello loop culture, Wanted to respond to Paul's question. I am one of those loopers that is not a guitar player, but a percussionist/ monophonic analog synth. player. Here are my two cents on some of my percussion looping adventures. The biggest hurdle for me is taming the Mic- mixer-EDP-monitor problem; because, the monitor is constntly feeding the mic. which continues to be recorded into the EDP resulting, at best, as an overthickening of the loop. At worst, horrible feedback rips off my head. Solutions: If I'm recording I monitor through headphones. Live is a different situation, so I use a sm57 which is a very good uni-directional mic. that decreases feedback potential. And as soon as I'm done with my mic level sources (which usually is after the first or second pass) I mute that channel and loop the line level sources. An in ear monitor would be perfect if you have many mic level sources or need to use a more sensistive mic. Steven From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 27 22:06:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3S25Mc20606; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 22:05:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 22:05:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030427184813.00aecac8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 19:05:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Pedal Response with Echoplex Digital Pro using "In" Loop Mode In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030427115250.04b5b2e0@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:07 PM 4/27/2003, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > >I bought a Boss FV-50L pedal to use with my EDP. Haven't used it much as I > >use MIDI to control my loops--but then I discovered the "In" mode and liked > >it--but I find that the response curve isn't right in this mode. >Our friend Kim replied: > >"isn't right" I suppose is a subjective thing. The pedal is directly >controlling the input volume into the loop in the "In" mode. I suppose if >the pedal doesn't offer a feel that you like, you should try a different >pedal? >>Let us now speak of the feel of the Boss Pedal. It's plastic and easy to >>push. I don't mind it. By "feel" I also mean the range and taper of the pot inside the pedal. You clearly don't like this one. >>I just tried an old Ernie Ball. It feels great! It doesn't have the right >>values tho--won't make the input volume change . . . then how could it feel great if it doesn't do anything? >>Guess that means I >>would have to replace the pot. Last time I tried doing home electronics I >>ruined two FS300s trying to make an EDP foot pedal replacement. maybe you need to find somebody else to help you with soldering.... >>What pedal is recommended for using the "In" mode to control the Echoplex >>using the foot pedal input on the back of the unit? Isn't the FV-50L the >>recommended pedal? I use the Boss FV-50L pedal, it works fine and controls the volume properly as it should. They are easy for people to find in stores. For me the control range and taper feels fine, so I don't have a problem recommending it. But that's subjective. If you don't happen to like the range, feel free to look for something else and let us know what you find. There are a lot of pedal options out there and I certainly haven't tried even a fraction of them. I think Hans once recommended an Ernie Ball pedal with a low impedance pot, maybe you will like that one better. good luck, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 27 22:34:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3S2X4s24461; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 22:33:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 22:33:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 19:30:47 -0700 Subject: Re: Pedal Response with Echoplex Digital Pro using "In" Loop Mode From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030427184813.00aecac8@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I use the Boss FV-50L pedal, it works fine and controls the volume properly > as it should. For me the > control range and taper feels fine, so I don't have a problem recommending > it. But that's subjective. > > kim yo kim- tired of you talkin yer stuff-lets hear somethin...:-) you seem to be at all the cali loop shows and i 4 one wanna HEAR the webmaster- as you can tell by some of the embarassin things i do that yer stuff can certainlee stand up to the low noise floor of looper scrutiny. s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 27 22:40:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3S2e5U25329; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 22:40:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 22:40:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006601c30d2f$399e3740$6463f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200304272029.h3RKT4U05283@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: LOOPING PERCUSSIONISTS abound Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 19:38:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Paul, Per your request to hear from looping percussionists, I just wanted to let you know that we have definite plans (without a specified date yet) to do the 1st PERCUSSION LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL in the Fall in Northern California. Already, we have JON WAGNER, WALLY SHNALLE,ANDRE CUSTODIO, Electronic Magazines' own GINO ROBAIR, STEVE RICE,TIMOTHY CROWE, STEVE ROBERTSON,myself, possibly the innovative jazz/electronica drummer, SCOTT AMENDOLA),and perhaps some others onboard to do this event. This is an incredible lineup of very, very accomplished and creative percussionists and I'm really excited about the prospects. We'll definitely mount the show in Santa Cruz (possibly as a one day adjunct to the Y2K3 LOOPFEST) and perhaps San Jose and San Francisco, depending on how much energy I have for promotion after my summer tour is over. Jon, Wally and I are the ones organizing it. There will probably not be any amount of money associated with the festival (as we live in the incredibly economically depressed Silicon Valley and environs climate) but this might be an incredible excuse for you to come visit us for the first time in Northern California. If you do come, I will house and feed you (in your own private room), transport you and make you the headline artist at this event. That's a promise!!! In answer to your question about pure percussive loopers, Timothy Crowe, Jon Wagner and Steve Rice have all been doing pure percussion or drumset looping gigs although Jon and Steve have recently added some keyboards, bass and wind instruments to their respective mixes. Also, everything I do in my live looping shows is informed by my percussive mentality. I use mostly middleeastern and indian styled finger techniques when playing my found sound pieces. I have become extremely enamored of string and wind instruments in the last few years as well, but even those I tend to play with a percussive mentality(lots of ostinato patterns, dude). With all the talk about using feedback, I actually love 100% feedback loops in my work...........stacking and layering, muting and retriggering them as a way of creating 'terrace dynamics' instead of fading things in an out ('slope dynamics). Also, fyi, I just did a tour with Andre LaFosse and Steve Lawson where I only played trapset (in the trio work) with my right hand and foot and while using my left hand and foot to do all the recording, triggering and real time DSP processing (with those amazing Electrix processing boxes, the MoFX and the Filter Factory). I even used the EDP footpedals up high as ersatz 'drum pads' which I used to trigger backwards-forward, double time-half time, muting and also to retrigger loops in a rhythmic fashion). Some really cool effects can be had by using the right hand on the retrigger (next loop) button and the left hand on either the mute or half time double time retriggering. Playing simple syncopative combinations (like a traditional paradiddles or variation) can result in some really cool rhythmic effects that I then capture with my REPEATER using my left foot, while still having my right foot free to play kick drum or other foot controlled events. Very cool. By the way, remind me when I see you to show you this series of double stroke balancing exercises that I came up with for this technique---they rock!!! I really had fun doing this and am just starting to get the hang of an rhythmic approach to this style of looping. It also rekindled my love affair with the trapset (which I've played all my life) after a three year hiatus (except for recording albums for people. Loop on.................Percussively yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 27 22:58:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3S2vUV27745; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 22:57:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 22:57:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030427190723.02874cc8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 19:57:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Using midi to control tempo on EDP In-Reply-To: <4821561.1050350046931.JavaMail.sginn@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a little old but still needed an answer: At 12:54 PM 4/14/2003, Steve Ginn wrote: >ok, according the LoopIV upgrade manual about TempoSelect, the tempo can >be fine tuned with the insert and mute buttons. correct. although as Matthias says it was kind of a last minute addition, and we didn't manage to come up with a good way to show the fine tuning on the display. You can hear it change if you are using the clock out to another device, and if you tap it enough eventually you see the time display change. >In order to facilitate the use of these two buttons, could these buttons >be mapped to a couple of buttons on a pedal? They are. From the standard footpedal you can press Insert and Mute during TempoSelect to fine tune the tempo, same as with the front panel. If you use MIDI, the midi VirtualButtons for Insert and Mute also do the same thing. If you hold the buttons down it continually increments the tempo fine tuning. >Aren't these two buttons essentially acting as what the manual calls a >"DataWheel"? no. the DataWheel is when we are in a parameter editing state and convert the feedback knob to a DataWheel. Then it can be used to edit the parameter quickly, rather than tapping the button a lot. In the case of TempoSelect, the DataWheel does the coarse adjustment of the tempo. >Can the DataWheel be controlled by a midi continuous controller that is >able to automatically increment or decrement just by holding the button >rather than pressing it multiple times? As noted above, you can use the midi VirtualButtons for Insert and Mute to do the fine tune of the tempo. Holding them down will steadily change it, so you don't have to tap it all the time. The DataWheel function can also be controlled by midi. The Echoplex uses cc# 6 for DataWheel, which follows the midi standard. So by using cc# 6 during the TempoSelect mode, you would control the coarse tempo adjustment the same as if you were turning the feedback knob on the front panel. >Also, how does Overdub work while in SyncRecord mode? SyncRecord is when you record something in sync to a clock (either internal or external), and the start time is not necessarily aligned with the downbeat. If you want to start recording in the middle of the bar for example, you can with SyncRecord. You just tap Record right in the middle and it starts recording. The Echoplex still pays attention to the clock and knows how long the loop is supposed to be. When you tap Record again to end, it will still round off the cycle so that your loop is perfectly in sync. From there on it continues to listen to the clock and maintain sync. On the other hand, if you have Quantize on it will always wait to start recording at the startpoint (downbeat) defined by the clock. Overdub works just the same as it always does during SyncRecord. If you tap Overdub to end the SyncRecord, it will wait until the end of the cycle, end the record and start playing the loop, and immediately have overdub on. > From my understanding of the manual, once the tempo has been selected, > the beginning and ending points of the loop/cycle are already > defined. Can drones be recorded in predefined lengths using this method > and should Overdub be used in these cases to create a smooth drone? yes. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 27 23:00:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3S2xUp29296; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 22:59:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 22:59:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Looper Throwdown Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 19:59:04 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It WOULD be interesting to hear Kimmie loop--I hear he demonstrated his bad self at the Loop IV debut party, one of the Cali fun fests I tragically had to miss . . . Also missed Loopstock I where Matthias played and the Giants of Looping Quartet (LaFosse, Walker, Manring, Lawson). . . But you can't be everywhere now can you? As far as the Surf Loop King's "Mirrors of Embarrassment"--Stan got some props from Kim in SLO--so I know there is love in the cyberroom . . . Maybe Rick will make room for Mr. Flint at Y2K3 in the fall? I am happy to be associated with such a bunch of intelligent and probing musical types--long live looping! Gary PS I ain't got no product neither-- G PPS However, I did play at Y2K2 and Rick promised me a spot at the next one!! OK!!! G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 27 23:03:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3S32k829701; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 23:02:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 23:02:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c801c30d32$64c58ce0$6463f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200304280240.h3S2edH25493@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Percussion Looping: MICING and MONITORING Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 20:00:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Steve, you wrote: >>The biggest hurdle for me is taming the Mic- mixer-EDP-monitor problem; > because, the monitor is constntly feeding the mic. which continues to be > recorded into the EDP resulting, at best, as an overthickening of the > loop. At worst, horrible feedback rips off my head. > Solutions: > If I'm recording I monitor through headphones. Live is a different > situation, so I use a sm57 which is a very good uni-directional mic. > that decreases feedback potential. And as soon as I'm done with my mic > level sources (which usually is after the first or second pass) I mute > that channel and loop the line level sources. > An in ear monitor would be perfect if you have many mic level sources or > need to use a more sensistive mic. While touring with Martin Simpson, I had the opportunity to use two AKG C1000s condenser microphones with a very, very narrow cartoid pattern induced by a little plastic 'focuser' that comes with the mic. Results: all the high end accuracy of a really good condenser microphone (that makes a Shure SM57 sound very black and white indeed) and not much problem with feedback. If you can find someone to purchase a pair of them they only cost $150 apiece. As a professional percussionist who tours a lot backing acoustic and electric musicians, these mics changed my whole life. They do require phantom power, however, which is found on most good boards (like the Mackies). Also, viz a vis, monitor, I have purchased these really inexpensive but high quality open ear headphones from RADIO shack to do my monitoring. They are just great. You can hear everything acoustically because they are very light weight and open ear and at the same time, there are NO feedback problems. They are also low enough profile that they don't look like big clunky headphones. They fold up to nothing as well. If you wait, you can find them several times a year on sale for $20. I always by two pairs when they go on sale and keep them around everywhere (portable CD players, minidisc, monitoring, a set in my car). Try 'em, you'll be pleasantly surprised. Yours, Rick Walker www.looppool.info From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 27 23:19:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3S3Ij631651; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 23:18:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 23:18:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 20:25:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Tubes versus Modeling Caged Death Match Resent-Message-ID: <5gKkDC.A.5tH.41Jr-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am a big fan of both tubes and modeling. That being said, the modeling amp I use, a Pod Pro, took many hours of dialing in to get close to the sound I want. Key word "close". It suffered the same thing that most off-the-shelf multi-effect/ modeling amps do, namely, that all the presets were designed to impress a much younger, more shred and grunge oriented demographic. I had to systematically go in and tame every parameter till I got something musical to my ears. I also use an old school rig for my non looping gigs, made up of a handful of excellent boutique pedals, feeding a stereo amp rig of an old vox ac10 and either an old fender deluxe reverb or Princeton reverb. I love the sound of this rig, noise and all. There is something more vibrant and visceral about it than the pod rig. Its partly a sound thing, but even more so a feel and dynamics difference. If I could successfully integrate this rig in to my looping rig I probably would. However, the thing that appealed to me about the pod was its ability to be versatile and sound convincing through a full range system, and the fact that it has some decent quality effects built in, eliminating the need for an additional stomp box pedal board. Because I use both electric and acoustic instruments, in my solo playing, the idea of bringing both the tube rig and the full range rig to a gig is somewhat daunting. I did that a few weeks ago on a gig backing my lovely common law love and local Santa Cruz singer-songwriter, Nancy Levan. About half the set required looping and the other half was with a rhythm section. The set up and tear down for me took more than twice as long as the 45 minute set. The tech guys at the venue were waiting around for me to finish loading out! I don't think I'll be trying that again. The fact is that modeling is getting better and better, which is kind of a drag because guys like me are starting to think their 3-4 year old gear is soon to be obsolete, replaced by models that both sound and feel better. Remember when amp companies came out with the same model, year in and year out (see fender)? Modern amp manufacturers seem to expect turnover equivalent to the fashion industry. Line 6's new flextone 3 amps do sound and feel better, but does that really mean my older pod is now worthless? I can understand the mistrust some people have toward these new technologies, particularly when what was the latest and greatest last year is swept away in favor of the new latest and greatest. I always try to keep in mind something I read by Steve Lukather about Jeff Beck. He says he saw Beck in a studio, sit down and play "Where Were You" though a little roland keyboard amp and sound amazing. The song I refer to is off the CD "Guitar Shop" and is a truly breathtaking homage to Bulgarian vocal music. I think what Steve was trying to say is that it didn't matter what Beck was playing through, it was about the content of what he was playing and the conviction he was playing with. The first time I saw my friend, Lyle Workman play, he was using a Peavey special 130 powering a Marshall cabinet, and burning the place down, with great ideas ,prodigious technique and great sound. He currently owns a bunch of great amps both modern and vintage, yet he tells me that many of the studio dates he does, wind up being done with amp farm or pod, simply because of ease and speed, and also because the nature of the LA studio scene has changed from big to little studios over the last 20 years.. I think there is enough room in the universe for tubes and modeling. Modeling offers an option for guys who want some versatility but don't have the money to go out and buy a bunch of tube amps. I can understand some tube snobbery, but I do think that people who dismiss amp modeling outright are missing the point. Modeling amps aren't here like some alien invasion, to conquer the planet and rid the world of tube amps. They represent an option of tonal flexibility to those who might not otherwise have one. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 27 23:46:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3S3jJH02194; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 23:45:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 23:45:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Tubes versus Modeling Caged Death Match Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 20:44:40 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This oughtta make Stanner spit fire-- http://www.line6.com/Variax/index.html Gary PS Modeling is a compromise but as Bill says gets better all the time--wonder how good this thing FEELS? G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 00:25:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3S4OSQ09209; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 00:24:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 00:24:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 21:22:30 -0700 Subject: Re: Tubes versus Modeling Caged Death Match From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This oughtta make Stanner spit fire-- > http://www.line6.com/Variax/index.html > Gary > PS Modeling is a compromise but as Bill says gets better all the > time--wonder how good this thing FEELS? > G > > nawwww-no problemoooo,g i realize that people HEAR things differently- if i were in a band i'm sure i would be totally tubular-(i hear there is a tube wah pedal that i have to find out about,i know there are tube cd players) being that i am a loopist and loop thangs being in the digital domain i just tend to go overboard w/ tube stuff and to (over)compensate for that digitallness being in my signal chain...thatsall. i may seem obsessive 'bout it-but in the end its about the music...it either moves ya or it doesnt sometimes it 'moves' people right out of the room in my case s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 00:54:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3S4rWY13131; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 00:53:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 00:53:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030427201111.03db77e8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 21:53:41 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP ReAlign vs. QuantStartPoint... In-Reply-To: <002f01c2e7d6$0d5929c0$a538fc0c@amd> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030311124855.01619ec0@pop.free.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this is also old, but seemed to need an answer. rainy sunday, good day for catching up on old stuff: At 06:56 AM 3/11/2003, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: >ReAlign and QuantStartPoint. I am a little unclear about which of these two >commands is better suited to getting the EDP back on track with a MIDI >clock. Probably ReAlign is what you want. When you have done something to your loop to move it out of alignment with the downbeat of the external clock, ReAlign retriggers it back so it starts with the downbeat again. There are many ways to move a loop out of alignment with an external clock, like retriggering it, or briefly going in and out of reverse or halfspeed. If you do these things unquantized, your loop's startpoint will be in a different spot than the external clock's startpoint. Even so, the Echoplex continues listening to the clock and keeps your loop in sync so it will not drift, even though it is not aligned anymore. The echoplex also continues to keep track of where your loop's startpoint is located (the local startpoint) and where the external clock's startpoint is located (the global startpoint). ReAlign puts them back in phase again. If you didn't do anything to move the out of phase, there wouldn't be any reason to use ReAlign. QuantStartPoint is almost the opposite. If you have moved your loop out of alignment with the external clock's downbeat, QuantStartPoint does not retrigger the loop. It leaves the loop playing exactly as it is, out of alignment from where it originally started. Instead, QuantStartPoint moves the startpoint of your loop to the new place where the external clock's startpoint is. The audio of your loop keeps playing as it was, but the startpoint LED will now blink at the downbeat of the clock. This is similar to using the StartPoint command to move the StartPoint of the loop, except that the Echoplex moves it precisely to the downbeat of the external clock. (the global startpoint). Once you have moved the startpoint, if you retrigger your loop or use quantize or something like that, it would go from the new startpoint. You might use this command if you had disaligned the loop for some reason and then decided that was where you wanted to keep it, and you want all quantizing actions afterwards to match up with the external clock. >The way I understand it is that, after the initial cycle length is >calculated, the EDP ignores the clock. no, that is wrong. The Echoplex always listens to the clock and always keeps the loop in sync to it. It also keeps track of both your local loop's startpoint and the clock's startpoint, in case you do something to shift them out of alignment. >After about sixteen bars I can hear >that it's drifted off course slightly and I would like to get it to listen >to the clock again to get the loops back in time. If it has drifted from the clock you have something else wrong. It shouldn't do that. Either the clock isn't being sent, or the clock is extremely jittery, or the echoplex does not have sync=in, or something like that. ReAlign might be able to help you recover something like that, but that is not the purpose of it! >I guess I'm a little confused as to exactly what the Global and Local >StartPoints are derived from. Does the EDP actually continue to listen to >the clock and use that as the Global StartPoint, and then it listens to the >cycle length it calculated and calls the beginning of each of those cycles >the Local StartPoint? yes, that is correct. >Alright, I guess here's a better question: Quantize=CYC, 8ths/Cycle=8, >SamplerStyle=StA, Source#=36. If I trigger a ReAlign via MIDI on beat four >of a bar while I'm in loop 2, and then trigger loop 1 via MIDI to start on >beat one of the following bar, will it quantize loop 1 to the Global >StartPoint? The manual says... > >... >- ReAlign (Restart the current loop at the next MIDI beat 1) >... > >...which implies that since I was in loop 2 when I initiated the ReAlign it >wouldn't ReAlign the loop that I'm switching to. True or false? This might end up being confusing, but that would actually be true. In fact it will ReAlign loop 2, and it might only do it when you return to loop 2 again! It's kind of a weird sequence of functions, so I'm not sure what you expect. I just tried it. I recorded the same drum machine loop in loop 1 and loop 2 of the echoplex, and kept the drum machine playing so I could easily hear when it was in alignment or not. The drum machine was the clock master. While in loop 2 I retriggered the loop on the Echoplex so it was out of alignment with the drum machine. Halfway through the Echoplex's loop 1 pressed ReAlign, and then immediately pressed NextLoop. (I had SwitchQuantize on also.) I think this is what you describe above. At the end of the Echoplex's loop, it switched back to Loop 1, which makes sense because it was SwitchQuantized. However, this was not the end of the drum machine's loop, so now Loop 1 was playing out of phase with the drum machine in the same way Loop 2 had been out of phase. I then pressed NextLoop again to see what had happened to Loop 2. When the Echoplex reached it's end of Loop 1, it switched to Loop 2. Loop 2 began playing, initially out of phase in the same way from the drum machine. Then when the downbeat of the drum machine came a couple of beats later, the Echoplex ReAligned and was back in phase with it! The ReAlign I had pressed before I left Loop 2 finally executed when I returned to Loop 2, which is the next time Loop 2 heard the downbeat from the drum machine. That makes sense, because the Echoplex remembers the state of a loop when you leave, so it is in the same state when you come back. In this case ReAlign was armed when we left Loop 2, and so was still armed when we came back. So it did what it was supposed to do. (in fact I'm kind of amazed, since I don't think we ever tested anything quite like that...) I hope that made sense for you. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 01:28:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3S5RRX18493; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 01:27:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 01:27:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 22:26:43 -0700 Subject: Re: Little Whales update: I Gave My Dead Love a Red Rose From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3EAC2236.2010406@quik.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is really beautiful stuff. Mark on 4/27/03 11:32 AM, dgoat at dgoat@quik.com wrote: > > Here's the latest from the "Little Whales" loop project. The title is "I > Gave My Dead Love a Red Rose." Comments welcome. > > http://littlewhales.thedivided.com/ > > The base loop was played with my Parker NiteFly and Koll Thunder Glide > bass. Effects used were 2 SIB Varidrive overdrives, a George Dennis > volume pedal, a Mooger Fooger Ring Modulator, and a big reverb on an > Alesis Quadraverb. The loop was made on a Line 6 DL4. The steel guitar > was improvised live on top of the loop. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 02:03:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3S62BX23610; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 02:02:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 02:02:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 23:01:34 -0700 Subject: Re: Pedal Response with Echoplex Digital Pro using "In" Loop Mode Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030427184813.00aecac8@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It is so true. A bunch of people talked me out of buying the smaller Roland pedal... an EV5 I think... anyway I got the EV7 instead and I really don't like it at all. Way too big for me. If anyone wants to trade the smaller 5 for the bigger 7, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Mark On Sunday, April 27, 2003, at 07:05 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > I use the Boss FV-50L pedal, it works fine and controls the volume > properly as it should. They are easy for people to find in stores. For > me the control range and taper feels fine, so I don't have a problem > recommending it. But that's subjective. If you don't happen to like > the range, feel free to look for something else and let us know what > you find. There are a lot of pedal options out there and I certainly > haven't tried even a fraction of them. I think Hans once recommended > an Ernie Ball pedal with a low impedance pot, maybe you will like that > one better. > > good luck, > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 02:11:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3S6Ac424373; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 02:10:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 02:10:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 08:10:04 +0200 Subject: Re: LOOPING on MAINFRAME Computers -- WAS: TRIVIA QUESTION reply to Dr Richard Zvonar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <001201c30d09$9578e220$0affff0a@hppav> Message-Id: <0D99BF43-7940-11D7-A51A-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, April 28, 2003, at 12:08 am, David wrote: > You're shitting me!! People were looping on DEC PDP-11's !!!!!! > Oh my God. There is an audio research centre in Paris which is part of the university, and when I sneaked in for a visit a while back, and explained what I did, they in fact did something similar back in the 70's also. They also used DEC's, and I know that they used PDP-8's primarily for their audio synth work. I'll see if I can try and find out some more info. I think the first non-digital live looping was early man shouting and screaming into a cave....into a cave.....into a cave.... - Stu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 02:20:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3S6JZu25228; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 02:19:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 02:19:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 23:19:00 -0700 Subject: Re: Tubes versus Modeling Caged Death Match Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <4CFD1061-7941-11D7-B5D7-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, April 27, 2003, at 08:25 PM, William R. Walker, wrote: > Modeling amps aren't here like some alien invasion, to conquer the > planet and rid the world of tube amps. They represent an option of > tonal flexibility to those who might not otherwise have one. > Bill Exactly Bill, but we've got to face the fact that it's only a matter of time before we're brains in jars living via huge computer networks, so just think of the Pod as a baby step! We'll be way ahead of the others. Take the red pill! (hee hee, can you tell I'm excited for the sequel?) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 02:35:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3S6ZAa26944; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 02:35:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 02:35:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b701c30d50$39a38b70$bf08fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030311124855.01619ec0@pop.free.fr> <5.1.1.6.2.20030427201111.03db77e8@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: EDP ReAlign vs. QuantStartPoint... Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 00:34:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim- Thank you for that very complete answer to my question(s)! Turns out that my drifting problems were caused by my sequencer sending a Song Continue signal rather than a Song Start, which I guess is what the EDP (and my sampler) wants to hear to reset its clock from. At least, since I told the sequencer to use Start Song everything has been fine, with no drift. But I'm glad I asked this question anyway, because now I understand so much more about the commands involved. For some reason that was not all clear to me from reading the manual. I also now understand how StartPoint can be used to stutter a loop rhythmically, thanks to your description. I will make use of this, ASAP. Thanks, Kim. -Jesse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 10:53 PM Subject: Re: EDP ReAlign vs. QuantStartPoint... > > I hope that made sense for you. > > kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 02:40:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3S6eMl27863; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 02:40:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 02:40:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030428063943.27249.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 23:39:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: WTB repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00b701c30d50$39a38b70$bf08fc0c@amd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com greetings loopaz... just curious if any repeater users out there are looking to part with their looper? i've got one and am looking to add a second to the setup... please drop a line privately... evan evanmeyers@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 02:41:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3S6efM27901; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 02:40:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 02:40:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 23:40:08 -0700 Subject: Re: Tubes versus Modeling Caged Death Match Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <4CFD1061-7941-11D7-B5D7-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: <40CF6BE8-7944-11D7-B5D7-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I said this a while ago and a friend of mine started quoting it in her signature file and I thought it might shed some light on this subject: "You can't simulate dressing like a clown. It's a do or not do thing. If you're wearing a clown suit, you're a clown." I hope this helps. ( I can't for the life of me remember the original context of that) Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 02:53:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3S6qZv29342; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 02:52:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 02:52:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030428065159.24744.qmail@web40513.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 23:51:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Little Whales update: I Gave My Dead Love a Red Rose To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Truly wonderful... cheers L.a > > Here's the latest from the "Little Whales" loop > project. The title is "I > > Gave My Dead Love a Red Rose." Comments welcome. > > > > http://littlewhales.thedivided.com/ > > > > The base loop was played with my Parker NiteFly > and Koll Thunder Glide > > bass. Effects used were 2 SIB Varidrive > overdrives, a George Dennis > > volume pedal, a Mooger Fooger Ring Modulator, and > a big reverb on an > > Alesis Quadraverb. The loop was made on a Line 6 > DL4. The steel guitar > > was improvised live on top of the loop. > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 03:11:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3S7Abp32497; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 03:10:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 03:10:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030428071001.31806.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 00:10:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Bill Walker's amp modeler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Mark I heard that the Johnson can be quite complicated to program what are your experiences with it?I guess it depends of which model you have,no? cu L.a --- stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > > > It just stands to reason that eventually computing > power and good > > software would eventually be able to model a tube > amp effectively. > > It's a complex system, to be sure, but hell my ex > girlfriend got her > > doctorate writing code that modeled gravity wells > in black hole > > situations. Anyway, I swear by my Johnson. It's > less fragile, quieter > > and more powerful than my Ampeg Reverbrocket, and > it has great tone. > > When I got the Reverbrocket I did A/B tests, and I > swear some of the > > models on the Johnson sounded embarrassingly good. > I've also heard > > people who use vintage tube stuff exclusively that > sound like crap. > > > > Part of me waxes nostalgic about what's sure to be > the end of tube > > amps, but the other part realizes that tubes are > the result of a pretty > > nasty manufacturing process (so are microchips but > they're not > > disposable like tubes are) and will for sure be > ever harder to get as > > time goes by. Oh well. > > > > Then again, every time I hear Andre Lafosse play > out of that > > Mesa/Boogie he uses I think, "wow, such tone..." > > > > Mark Sottilaro > > > well mark, i guess that ol' addage is > correct-"unreasonable people can > disagree" > usually the arguements i get into are about the > weight of the amps and the > price of tubes and amps and the fact that tubes wear > out. its hardly ever > about where tone is king. > your use of the word 'model' is good. > from webster:"a miniature representation of > something." > the final arbiter for me is -either you hear and > feel it or you dont. > if yo dont then dont waste time,money and yer back > on vacuum tube > amplifiers. > > stale > (i agree that bill has a great tone going...not that > it couldnt be mo' betta > w/ totally tubular technology.) > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 03:26:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3S7P7a02026; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 03:25:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 03:25:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: EDP Slip StartPoint (was: ReAlign vs. QuantStartPoint) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 09:24:31 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <000701c30d57$361ecd50$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030427201111.03db77e8@loopers-delight.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, When reading Kim's excellent (as usual :-) post on EDP sync matters an old question of mine came to my mind. Since I mainly use my EDP as the master of the midi clock chain I'm not in the need for ReAlign but rather a "SlipStartPoint by Quantize value". Can't remember I have read or heard about such a feature but maybe I have overlooked something? I know I can achieve a similar effect by doing an unquantised sus multiply and that's how I'm handling these things now. I was just wondering about any eventual slip option. Best wishes Per Boysen ------------- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com <-- 1st Swedish Looping Festival From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 03:28:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3S7SMU02633; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 03:28:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 03:28:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00db01c30d57$acc78aa0$bf08fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: Subject: EDP simultaneous commands... Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 01:27:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D8_01C30D25.6206CDF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D8_01C30D25.6206CDF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can the EDP receive more than one command at a time? 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------=_NextPart_000_00D8_01C30D25.6206CDF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 04:12:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3S8A1E09029; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 04:10:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 04:10:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030428005821.04629d08@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 01:09:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP simultaneous commands... In-Reply-To: <00db01c30d57$acc78aa0$bf08fc0c@amd> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:27 AM 4/28/2003, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: >Can the EDP receive more than one command at a time? For instance, via >DirectMIDI triggered by sequencer, Mute (Quantize=OFF) and StartPoint at >the same time? yes, that should work fine. (didn't bother to try it myself this time, I'd rather enjoy this wonderful MacAllan that Hans gave me at loopstock. thanks again Hans!) midi commands don't really come "at the same time". They will come in series, so the mute will come first, then the startpoint command. It will be fast enough to seem like they are at the same time. The Echoplex is quick enough to do them both more or less immediately. constructing custom commands this way is a great Echoplex technique. In a sequencer it is natural, but you can also do it with a good midi controller that lets you string together multiple commands with one button. (like the digitech pmc-10, for example) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 04:12:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3S89qF09020; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 04:09:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 04:09:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: EDP simultaneous commands... Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 10:09:07 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <000a01c30d5d$710294a0$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <00db01c30d57$acc78aa0$bf08fc0c@amd> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Jesse Ray Lucas [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net] > Can the EDP receive more than one command at a time? For instance, via DirectMIDI triggered by > sequencer, Mute (Quantize=OFF) and StartPoint at the same time? Well, since midi is a serial language any bunch of midi commands sent to the EDP will arrive one after the other. But that wasn't a good answer ;-) I have not tried exactly what you are talking about, but fact is I experimented with multiple commands by programming my FCB1010 pedal to send (1) the midi command for HalfSpeed together with (2) the midi command for changing program (yes, I'm on LOOP4) and this was working like a charm! I did this because I use the EDP as the master (slaving a Repeater to it) and would like to find a way to bring down the EDP at Halfspeed without the Repeater going down to half the tempo. However I couldn't keep this set-up as the EDP can only remember 15 programs and I would rather use all those program for being able to play in different time signatures with the EDP "quantised insert replace" function. I set the EDP programs up for 4/4, 5/4 and 6/4 but I would like to use many more programs. A strong wish for future upgrades (LOOP5 ?) is the ability to store many more programs in the EDP. The EDP is such a powerful looper that no front plate or foot controller in the world could display all possibilities at the same time. So the only way for utilizing all that power in a live situation is to create your own custom programs. Best wishes Per Boysen ------------- www.boysen.se From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 04:49:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3S8n3R13479; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 04:49:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 04:49:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030428011059.0292f450@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 01:49:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Tubes versus Modeling Caged Death Match In-Reply-To: <40CF6BE8-7944-11D7-B5D7-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> References: <4CFD1061-7941-11D7-B5D7-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:40 PM 4/27/2003, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >I said this a while ago and a friend of mine started quoting it in her >signature file and I thought it might shed some light on this subject: > >"You can't simulate dressing like a clown. It's a do or not do thing. >If you're wearing a clown suit, you're a clown." > >I hope this helps. perfect Mark, thanks. for a reference point, I spend a lot of time in my professional life simulating electronic circuits. In my case it is usually the output driver circuits on high-performance IC's driving PCB traces, assorted parasitic impedances, connectors, and the input receiver on another IC. This is reasonably comparable in complexity to simulating an audio amplifier. In my work I simulate transistors, but tubes would be a similar chunk of math when you consider what the electrons are doing. There are two approaches to this that I use. Either a fast "behavioral" simulation, that runs quickly but with less detail. (or perhaps good enough detail in the operating region I care about.) Or a detailed "transistor level" simulation that gives a much more accurate result across all operating regions but takes much longer (using a simulation engine called spice, for those who care). I usually simulate about 3 cycles of a given waveform. On the PIII 850MHz machine on my desk the fast behavioral simulations take about 1 second. the slow, detailed, spice simulations can take as much as an hour and a half, but they come out looking very much like the real thing. One of the guys working for me has a P4 1.9GHz, when he's not around I VNC into his pc to run spice. It speeds up by a factor of 5. Still, 15-20 minutes to get 3 detailed waveform cycles is a long way from real time. My guess is your tube amp modeler isn't doing that kind of detail.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 05:13:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3S9DEO16878; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 05:13:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 05:13:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030428015422.02646410@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 02:13:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: EDP Slip StartPoint (was: ReAlign vs. QuantStartPoint) In-Reply-To: <000701c30d57$361ecd50$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030427201111.03db77e8@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:24 AM 4/28/2003, Per Boysen wrote: >When reading Kim's excellent (as usual :-) post on EDP sync matters an >old question of mine came to my mind. Since I mainly use my EDP as the >master of the midi clock chain I'm not in the need for ReAlign the corollary of the ReAlign commands are the various StartSong commands. These are intended for when the Echoplex is the clock master. They allow you to retrigger other downstream devices and move them out of alignment, and then get them ReAligned with the Echoplex by sending a startsong from the echoplex at the right time. Or letting you change the startpoint on the Echoplex and retrigger downstream devices to now consider that new point as the downbeat. Just as powerful as the ReAlign idea, but in the other direction. >but >rather a "SlipStartPoint by Quantize value". Can't remember I have read >or heard about such a feature but maybe I have overlooked something? startpoint commands go instantly, so I guess that idea isn't directly possible. It wouldn't make any sense to quantize it for the case of quantize=cycle or loop, it would end up in the same place. It would make sense for quantize=8th, so that is an interesting idea. If you have a sequencer sync'd to the echoplex clock you can use that to send the startpoint command in rhythm. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 05:18:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3S9IRA17282; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 05:18:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 05:18:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030428021422.02934f48@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 02:18:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: EDP simultaneous commands... In-Reply-To: <000a01c30d5d$710294a0$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> References: <00db01c30d57$acc78aa0$bf08fc0c@amd> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:09 AM 4/28/2003, Per Boysen wrote: >However I couldn't keep this set-up as the EDP can only remember 15 >programs and I would rather use all those program for being able to play >in different time signatures with the EDP "quantised insert replace" >function. I set the EDP programs up for 4/4, 5/4 and 6/4 but I would >like to use many more programs. A strong wish for future upgrades (LOOP5 >?) is the ability to store many more programs in the EDP. check out the EDPDA that Dennis Leas has developed. Using an old PalmPilot that you can get for $30, it lets you easily store far more presets and load them into the echoplex just as quickly as the internal presets. It's a really great utility. I'm not sure if he has actually released it yet, but he showed it at Loopstock. his website is http://www.greenteasoftware.com kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 05:32:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3S9Uoc18168; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 05:30:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 05:30:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: EDP simultaneous commands... Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:30:16 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <001101c30d68$c72dc010$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030428021422.02934f48@loopers-delight.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > At 01:09 AM 4/28/2003, Per Boysen wrote: > >However I couldn't keep this set-up as the EDP can only remember 15 > >programs and I would rather use all those program for being able to > >play in different time signatures with the EDP "quantised insert > >replace" function. I set the EDP programs up for 4/4, 5/4 > and 6/4 but I > >would like to use many more programs. A strong wish for > future upgrades > >(LOOP5 > >?) is the ability to store many more programs in the EDP. > > check out the EDPDA that Dennis Leas has developed. Using an > old PalmPilot > that you can get for $30, it lets you easily store far more > presets and > load them into the echoplex just as quickly as the internal > presets. It's a > really great utility. I'm not sure if he has actually > released it yet, but > he showed it at Loopstock. his website is > http://www.greenteasoftware.com > > kim Thank you. That sounds very interesting! But I couldn't find anything on EDPDA at the site. Right now only the "Looper Construction Kit" is displayed. So I guess the EDPDA isn't released yet then. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 08:21:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3SCKlw09620; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 08:20:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 08:20:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005701c30d80$57ee0ee0$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Looper's Delight" References: Subject: Re: Little Whales update: I Gave My Dead Love a Red Rose Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:18:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Here's the latest from the "Little Whales" loop project. The title is "I > > Gave My Dead Love a Red Rose." Comments welcome. very nice indeed, as is Andy Butler's latest - thanks guys! steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 08:31:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3SCUIs11059; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 08:30:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 08:30:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:32:34 +0100 Subject: Re: looping percussionists From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3EAC8072.4080802@bellsouth.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When ever I have worked with solo percussionists/drummers I have found if you get the monitors in the right place and at the right level i.e. relatively quiet then the musician in question has no need to hear an amplified version of their instrument back, only the looped signal. If your working with a band then sensitive placement of the microphones and monitors again usually removes the problem. I think the hardest sources are instruments like the Djembe which love to cause feedback. In short you need a good engineer behind the desk the no problem. Geoff on 28/4/03 2:14 am, Steve & Marty Thomas at marty26@bellsouth.net wrote: > Hello loop culture, > > Wanted to respond to Paul's question. I am one of those loopers that is > not a guitar player, but a percussionist/ > monophonic analog synth. player. Here are my two cents on some of my > percussion > looping adventures. > > The biggest hurdle for me is taming the Mic- mixer-EDP-monitor problem; > because, the monitor is constntly feeding the mic. which continues to be > recorded into the EDP resulting, at best, as an overthickening of the > loop. At worst, horrible feedback rips off my head. > > Solutions: > If I'm recording I monitor through headphones. Live is a different > situation, so I use a sm57 which is a very good uni-directional mic. > that decreases feedback potential. And as soon as I'm done with my mic > level sources (which usually is after the first or second pass) I mute > that channel and loop the line level sources. > An in ear monitor would be perfect if you have many mic level sources or > need to use a more sensistive mic. > > > > Steven > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 09:39:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3SDcjw21991; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 09:38:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 09:38:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 09:38:12 -0400 Subject: Re: looping percussionists From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey geoff... check out http://www.davidcossin.com for an important looping percussionist. this is the guy who also did the drums for Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon. one of my best friends and colleagues. also, your looping history is not complete if it doesn't include Phil Kline, the boombox guy... http://www.mindspring.com/~boombox hope that is a contribution. I love what you're doing... t. On 4/28/03 8:32 AM, "Geoff Smith" wrote: > When ever I have worked with solo percussionists/drummers I have found if > you get the monitors in the right place and at the right level i.e. > relatively quiet then the musician in question has no need to hear an > amplified version of their instrument back, only the looped signal. > > If your working with a band then sensitive placement of the microphones and > monitors again usually removes the problem. I think the hardest sources are > instruments like the Djembe which love to cause feedback. In short you need > a good engineer behind the desk the no problem. > > Geoff > > on 28/4/03 2:14 am, Steve & Marty Thomas at marty26@bellsouth.net wrote: > >> Hello loop culture, >> >> Wanted to respond to Paul's question. I am one of those loopers that is >> not a guitar player, but a percussionist/ >> monophonic analog synth. player. Here are my two cents on some of my >> percussion >> looping adventures. >> >> The biggest hurdle for me is taming the Mic- mixer-EDP-monitor problem; >> because, the monitor is constntly feeding the mic. which continues to be >> recorded into the EDP resulting, at best, as an overthickening of the >> loop. At worst, horrible feedback rips off my head. >> >> Solutions: >> If I'm recording I monitor through headphones. Live is a different >> situation, so I use a sm57 which is a very good uni-directional mic. >> that decreases feedback potential. And as soon as I'm done with my mic >> level sources (which usually is after the first or second pass) I mute >> that channel and loop the line level sources. >> An in ear monitor would be perfect if you have many mic level sources or >> need to use a more sensistive mic. >> >> >> >> Steven >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 11:02:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3SF29j07397; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:02:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:02:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:00:38 -0400 From: Paulzric@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Noise MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4294251D.3CEF4543.007D6382@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Question: I bought the inexpensive TC M300 effects processor to front-end my loops. When I plug my guitar directly into it and then run it to my Fender Combo, it is very noisy; it hisses. When I use it in my rack, it doesn't seem to emit a hiss. Is there something I should know about when inputting a non-instrument level signal into a combo amp? I'm guessing that there is a difference between instrument level and line level and that my amp doesn't like anything stronger than a guitar output. Does this mean that stomp boxes are instrument level outs? I'm baffled. Or is the TC M300 just kind of cheap and noisy? According to Harmony Central, there is a debate: some say it is noisy, others say "say what???" Any help would be appreciated. Also, if there is an issue with line vs. instrument levels, is there a product that buffers this? I have performed a cursory search and only found speaker level to line level converters. Thanks. Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 11:22:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3SFLYc10757; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:21:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:21:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0BC3463E-78D8-11D7-BD03-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> References: <0BC3463E-78D8-11D7-BD03-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 10:20:59 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: amp modeler... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i would agree on the amp modeling ability of recent technology. i think it sounds pretty decent (and i'm using the cheapest of the cheap-a digitech rp100, it has decent sounds; perfect-no, but decent). all it will take is someone down the road/in the future will find a a way to mangle amp modelling and twist it to something cool/bizarre and then it will be the "hot sound for the moment". i find that my rp100 sounds best using it in conjuntion w/ my zoom 9150 tube preamp--kind of a hybrid use. you get "warm sound of tube" mixed w/ the clarity of digital modeling. but i doubt tube amps will die in popularity. people need options. s--- -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 11:39:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3SFcpF13449; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:38:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:38:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 08:38:15 -0700 Subject: Re: Bill Walker's amp modeler Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030428071001.31806.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <6DAD13DB-798F-11D7-B5D7-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got the JT50 and I can't imagine anything simpler. The preamp part is like any amp, but you can save your settings. The effects part is basically choosing the effect you want, setting 2 perimeters and saving your preset. I've heard they're higher end amps were basically a 2120 with an amp stage and speaker. The 2120 does take some more figuring out, but it's not the worst piece of gear I've dealt with. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, April 28, 2003, at 12:10 AM, Louie Angulo wrote: > Hi Mark > I heard that the Johnson can be quite complicated to > program what are your experiences with it?I guess it > depends of which model you have,no? > cu > L.a > --- stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: >> >>> It just stands to reason that eventually computing >> power and good >>> software would eventually be able to model a tube >> amp effectively. >>> It's a complex system, to be sure, but hell my ex >> girlfriend got her >>> doctorate writing code that modeled gravity wells >> in black hole >>> situations. Anyway, I swear by my Johnson. It's >> less fragile, quieter >>> and more powerful than my Ampeg Reverbrocket, and >> it has great tone. >>> When I got the Reverbrocket I did A/B tests, and I >> swear some of the >>> models on the Johnson sounded embarrassingly good. >> I've also heard >>> people who use vintage tube stuff exclusively that >> sound like crap. >>> >>> Part of me waxes nostalgic about what's sure to be >> the end of tube >>> amps, but the other part realizes that tubes are >> the result of a pretty >>> nasty manufacturing process (so are microchips but >> they're not >>> disposable like tubes are) and will for sure be >> ever harder to get as >>> time goes by. Oh well. >>> >>> Then again, every time I hear Andre Lafosse play >> out of that >>> Mesa/Boogie he uses I think, "wow, such tone..." >>> >>> Mark Sottilaro >> >> >> well mark, i guess that ol' addage is >> correct-"unreasonable people can >> disagree" >> usually the arguements i get into are about the >> weight of the amps and the >> price of tubes and amps and the fact that tubes wear >> out. its hardly ever >> about where tone is king. >> your use of the word 'model' is good. >> from webster:"a miniature representation of >> something." >> the final arbiter for me is -either you hear and >> feel it or you dont. >> if yo dont then dont waste time,money and yer back >> on vacuum tube >> amplifiers. >> >> stale >> (i agree that bill has a great tone going...not that >> it couldnt be mo' betta >> w/ totally tubular technology.) >> > > > ===== > www.labalou.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 11:46:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3SFjqt15002; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:45:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:45:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <189.188f8709.2bdea68c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:45:16 EDT Subject: Re: Noise To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 4/28/03 8:04:46 AM, Paulzric@aol.com writes: << Also, if there is an issue with line vs. instrument levels, is there a product that buffers this? >> Ebtech makes a small box Line Level Shifter similar to its Hum Eliminator, it interfaces (-10) & (+4). Is there an EQ in your rack? Maybe a samll pedal eq or pedal noise gate could cut some hiss? BobC The Thumb Piano Project www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 11:53:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3SFqKb15799; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:52:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:52:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 08:51:47 -0700 Subject: Re: Tubes versus Modeling Caged Death Match Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030428011059.0292f450@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: <518A084E-7991-11D7-B5D7-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, April 28, 2003, at 01:49 AM, Kim Flint wrote: > My guess is your tube amp modeler isn't doing that kind of detail.... That is really interesting Kim. Wouldn't audio be much simpler to simulate, as the bandwidth is in a much lower region? Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 11:58:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3SFwHB16942; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:58:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:58:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c30d9e$9b92f840$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030428011059.0292f450@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Tubes versus Modeling Caged Death Match Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:55:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:40 PM 4/27/2003, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >I said this a while ago and a friend of mine started quoting it in her >signature file and I thought it might shed some light on this subject: > >"You can't simulate dressing like a clown. It's a do or not do thing. >If you're wearing a clown suit, you're a clown." ...but you can 'simulate' being a clown by dressing like one, which I think is a more analogous analogy than the simulating dressing like a clown. Dressing like something is in and of itself a simulation. being something isn't. Valve technology is what it is, whereas the modeled version is dressed like it - you can't simulate being valves, you can simulate sounding like them - whether you can simulate it well enough is a matter of taste and eric johnson's ears... ;o) For my money, I still prefer to hear the real thing is almost every situation, but I guess starting this thing off it the first place, Bill's tone proves that valves=good modeling=bad is a clumsy way round... Bill manages to make his POD sound as good as many many guys that I've heard using top notch all valve widgets... ...and I'll second whoever it was who was digging Andre's Boogie-tone - coupled with his boogie-dance, it's a show-stopper... ;o) love and boogie-nights to all Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 12:25:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3SGP9023057; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 12:25:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 12:25:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030428092310.0438b008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 09:25:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Tubes versus Modeling Caged Death Match In-Reply-To: <518A084E-7991-11D7-B5D7-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030428011059.0292f450@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:51 AM 4/28/2003, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >On Monday, April 28, 2003, at 01:49 AM, Kim Flint wrote: > >> My guess is your tube amp modeler isn't doing that kind of detail.... > >That is really interesting Kim. Wouldn't audio be much simpler to >simulate, as the bandwidth is in a much lower region? no, it would be the same since I would be trying to simulate the same number of points in the waveform. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 13:20:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3SHJpf01164; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:19:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:19:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 10:26:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: RE: Noise Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yep, your TC box is line level (+4) and your stomp boxes are generally instrument level(-10). What you need is a line leve shifter. Ebtech who is distributed by Morley make such a device that you put in line between your rack effect and your amp. Another option might be a small mixer with an effects loop that you could place between your stomp boxes and amp with the TC running in its effects loop. I think this would work pretty well as long as you don't crank the out levels on the mixer. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 13:37:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3SHZxi04147; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:35:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:35:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 10:35:15 -0700 Subject: Re: Tubes versus Modeling Caged Death Match Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <003001c30d9e$9b92f840$e0154ed5@bigboy> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nope, I totally disagree. If you put on big shoes and a red nose, you're a clown. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, April 28, 2003, at 08:55 AM, Steve Lawson wrote: > ...but you can 'simulate' being a clown by dressing like one, which I > think > is a more analogous analogy than the simulating dressing like a > clown. Dressing like something is in and of itself a simulation. being > something isn't. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 13:40:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3SHcKH04686; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:38:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:38:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 10:37:41 -0700 Subject: Re: Bill Walker's amp modeler Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <6DAD13DB-798F-11D7-B5D7-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: <1C9F82C0-79A0-11D7-B693-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I should add that the top of the line Johnsons are not tube emulators, they actually have tube preamps in them, as does the 2112 and 2120. Mark On Monday, April 28, 2003, at 08:38 AM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > I've got the JT50 and I can't imagine anything simpler. The preamp > part is like any amp, but you can save your settings. The effects > part is basically choosing the effect you want, setting 2 perimeters > and saving your preset. > > I've heard they're higher end amps were basically a 2120 with an amp > stage and speaker. The 2120 does take some more figuring out, but > it's not the worst piece of gear I've dealt with. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Monday, April 28, 2003, at 12:10 AM, Louie Angulo wrote: > >> Hi Mark >> I heard that the Johnson can be quite complicated to >> program what are your experiences with it?I guess it >> depends of which model you have,no? >> cu >> L.a >> --- stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: >>> >>>> It just stands to reason that eventually computing >>> power and good >>>> software would eventually be able to model a tube >>> amp effectively. >>>> It's a complex system, to be sure, but hell my ex >>> girlfriend got her >>>> doctorate writing code that modeled gravity wells >>> in black hole >>>> situations. Anyway, I swear by my Johnson. It's >>> less fragile, quieter >>>> and more powerful than my Ampeg Reverbrocket, and >>> it has great tone. >>>> When I got the Reverbrocket I did A/B tests, and I >>> swear some of the >>>> models on the Johnson sounded embarrassingly good. >>> I've also heard >>>> people who use vintage tube stuff exclusively that >>> sound like crap. >>>> >>>> Part of me waxes nostalgic about what's sure to be >>> the end of tube >>>> amps, but the other part realizes that tubes are >>> the result of a pretty >>>> nasty manufacturing process (so are microchips but >>> they're not >>>> disposable like tubes are) and will for sure be >>> ever harder to get as >>>> time goes by. Oh well. >>>> >>>> Then again, every time I hear Andre Lafosse play >>> out of that >>>> Mesa/Boogie he uses I think, "wow, such tone..." >>>> >>>> Mark Sottilaro >>> >>> >>> well mark, i guess that ol' addage is >>> correct-"unreasonable people can >>> disagree" >>> usually the arguements i get into are about the >>> weight of the amps and the >>> price of tubes and amps and the fact that tubes wear >>> out. its hardly ever >>> about where tone is king. >>> your use of the word 'model' is good. >>> from webster:"a miniature representation of >>> something." >>> the final arbiter for me is -either you hear and >>> feel it or you dont. >>> if yo dont then dont waste time,money and yer back >>> on vacuum tube >>> amplifiers. >>> >>> stale >>> (i agree that bill has a great tone going...not that >>> it couldnt be mo' betta >>> w/ totally tubular technology.) >>> >> >> >> ===== >> www.labalou.com >> >> __________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. >> http://search.yahoo.com >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 13:50:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3SHnZS07381; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:49:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:49:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Clown Death Match Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 10:48:51 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I must interject here with some authority-- My momma says, "clown is as clown does" I think I prove that, even with a LD T-shirt on Clown on, Gary -----Original Message----- From: mark [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 10:35 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tubes versus Modeling Caged Death Match Nope, I totally disagree. If you put on big shoes and a red nose, you're a clown. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, April 28, 2003, at 08:55 AM, Steve Lawson wrote: > ...but you can 'simulate' being a clown by dressing like one, which I > think > is a more analogous analogy than the simulating dressing like a > clown. Dressing like something is in and of itself a simulation. being > something isn't. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 13:52:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3SHpZl07905; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:51:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:51:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 10:58:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: RE:Tubes versus Modeling Caged Death Match MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Along this same thread, I did have a chance to try out the variax modeling guitar by line 6 for a good hour or so. I was suprisingly impressed, particularly the Strat, tele, and Les Paul models. Even the more complex models like the electric 12 string and the sitar guitar had sonic merit. Some fell short, the resonater guitar sounded more like and electric proccessed through a flanger set to a non sweeping metalic comb filtered setting. Where this unit falls short, and in its defense this is a pretty tall order, is in the feel department. As good as the Ricki 12 simulation sounds, there is no way it is going to have the same feel as a real 12 string. Ditto for the Jazz box sound. A good usable sound, but incapable of recreating the feeling of a large resonating archtop craddled under your arm. That being said, the variax offers a suprising number of good, accurate sounding models. For someone wanting to expand their guitar arsenal on a modest budget, this might be the ticket. Also, for someone with a commercial project studio, the variax offers a lot of tonal variety without having to drag a bunch instruments out, and tune em up etc. I have always wanted a Coral electric sitar, but the price of both used and new ones, coupled with the amount I'd really play one, has prevented me from taking the plunge. Ditto for an electric 12 string. A variax would cost about half of what either of those instruments would run and offer so many other usable sounds. Seen in this light, the variax seems like a bargain alternative. Bill Hey Stan, I still have'nt sold my Trio, and who knows, maybe I'll drag it out again someday and replace my pod with it. The reason I stopped using it live in my loop rig was never about tone. It was more about versatility, the pod just had more sonic options without having to use more stomp boxes or outboard effects. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 14:02:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3SI0gZ11011; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 14:00:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 14:00:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: tony martucci - looping drummer video Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:02:19 -0500 Message-ID: <01be01c30db0$4f8901d0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <005901c30caf$96340eb0$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey, haven't heard from you in a while... been listening to this for a while this morning. pretty cool stuff... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 14:05:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3SI5Fx12136; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 14:05:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 14:05:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: Bill Walker's amp modeler Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:06:54 -0500 Message-ID: <01bf01c30db0$f366c670$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <0BC3463E-78D8-11D7-BD03-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > It just stands to reason that eventually computing power and good > software would eventually be able to model a tube amp effectively. yeah, they finally got close enough for me. i still use my marshall, but don't think i'll be carrying it to gigs anymore. i've been getting pretty good results with a digitech gnx3 going into a fender blues junior. the tube combo warms it up quite a bit. the modelers are great for looping because you don't have to mic the amp to get different tones into the loop. >...Anyway, I swear by my Johnson... careful, now... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 14:16:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3SIFDO13829; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 14:15:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 14:15:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: Looping percussionists Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:16:28 -0500 Message-ID: <01c201c30db2$49706bb0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <003601c30cf8$53943370$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i loop congas, but i am not very good at it yet. i'm mainly a guitarist... >... free from the rigours of melody > and harmony (LOL what a load of pretentious crap :) yeah, those tonal elitists! first against the wall. wait til you meet some microtonal types... >... In my > own practises I've found it relatively easy to build up a big > samba or other parts-based piece, >... this is like how i tend to loop congas. mostly i have been learning afrocuban beats and it is great practice to play each part into the repeater (or acid on pc) then drop one out and work that part... i have yet to perform on congas, since just getting the strokes right has taken more than a year (and still working) >I've also enjoyed messing > around with voice and just whatever instruments or noises I > have to hand. I haven't really heard any percussionists' > takes on this so I'm interested to hear what approach anyone > else is taking, I'm happy to share from my brief experiences > to date if that is any use. yes, please. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 14:31:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3SITCA15987; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 14:29:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 14:29:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.208.66.235] X-Original-From: "Weg" Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 18:27:36 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Bill Walker's amp modeler X-Mailer: WebMail Version 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Weg Message-Id: <20030428.142742.16981.230414@webmail5.nyc.untd.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hellooooooo, Jerry Seinfeld was in town Friday... Anyway I do the same, I run my GNX3 through a pair of Ampeg Jets and it screams. I can get feedback on some of the settings too which I was never successfull at before with the Pod! Even though I liked it that's why I sold the Pod Pro. I really like the GNX/Ampeg setup but it doesn't replace my Mesa Boogie, and the Jamman in the GNX is nice but more of a writing tool than a looper. I use the RC-20 Loop Station with it to give it more flexability but the EDP is my looper of choice. I use the EDP along with a Repeater and the FCB1010. The EDP has soooo much more flexability that it is hard to go back to anything else and add a Repeater and your musical world is yours to command! Inspiring! Thanks, Weg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 14:34:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3SIXtT16611; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 14:33:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 14:33:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EAD72E4.682AE89D@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:28:51 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Lawson versus LaFosse Caged Death Match References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030428011059.0292f450@loopers-delight.com> <003001c30d9e$9b92f840$e0154ed5@bigboy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ye verily forsooth, Steve Lawson wrote: > ...and I'll second whoever it was who was digging Andre's Boogie-tone - > coupled with his boogie-dance, it's a show-stopper... ;o) Indeed! One good back-handed compliment deserves another... > ...but you can 'simulate' being a clown by dressing like one, which I think > is a more analogous analogy than the simulating dressing like a > clown. Tell us then, Steve: where does walking on stage with shiny fingernail polish, a tight silver t-shirt, and feathered blue jacket fall on the "clown simulation" vs. "clown dress simulation" continuum? 8() I certainly hope Geoff Smith gives you due credit for single-handedly bringing the influence of John Nathan Turner-era "Dr. Who" aesthetic sensibilities into the looping paradigm... ;) The proverbial big love, --Dre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 14:53:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3SIqNI20032; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 14:52:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 14:52:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <152.1e9da7da.2bdaf76b@aol.com> <3EAC2236.2010406@quik.com> <003601c30cf8$53943370$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> Subject: Re: Looping percussionists Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:51:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2003 18:51:44.0052 (UTC) FILETIME=[36780F40:01C30DB7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Paul - (I'm on junk-music too) > That started me thinking *again* that I should ask on the group if there is > anyone here who is a looping percussionist. There seem to be lots of I'm looping live acoustic percussion. I've been stubbornly rooted in working with mic'd percussion (even though many people who see me recommend trying out an electronic drum set). I started with just a djembe and an EDP, and have progressed from there as I've learned more looping techniques. There is definitely a learning curve to working with mic'd instruments and looping. Like Rick mentioned, my akg C1000 mic is totally awesome for gain before feedback, and it sounds great with everything I use it with. I usually keep a volume pedal on this mic, so I can easily mute it when I'm not using it, and adjust it depending on what I'll play into it. I use an EDP, repeater, and a mackie 1402 board. I'm working on building a little jungle/drum-n-bass kit with 3 snares: 8",10",12" and a 16" kick. I'll use D112 on the kick, and a pair of SM57s to pick up the hihats and snares. I tried out parts of this kit at Loopstock, along with a little table off to my right with a C1000 + volume pedal. I've been finding that a medium level monitor mix works well, and if I need to really hear it better, I pop on my pair of headphones. The real key to my setup when I'm looping the drum kit, is my custom midi trigger pads. I have built 6 little piezo pads that trigger midi events to control my loopers. Its really just like a midi footboard, but I can use sticks on it. I use that to trigger record, overdub, multiply, insert, and undo on the EDP and many repeater functions. Before this I was doing the play with one hand, and use my left hand to control my loopers thing, which kind of worked - and as a side note always seemed to provide the crowd with a lot of entertainment watching me do three things at once and somehow be musical too... Creatively, I've found that it is very important to know and understand the sonic characteristics of the percussion you want to loop. I don't really plan out a piece before I play it, but I do know that I'll want to include at least three basic parts in the mix: Some sort of low/bass tones, a pad or stretched out sound, and a sharper attack rhythmic sound. So it could be bass drum, shaker, and doumbek. I try not to layer several sounds that are similar because rhythmically it starts to get very confusing. For example, once there's drum kit in the loop, I haven't found it effective to add more... This isn't really a rule, but just what I've tended towards after a few years of trying things. One of my personal favorite techniques is to set the feedback to 0 on my EDP and set up a 1-4 bar loop (overdub is on). Then anything I play, will play back exactly once. Then I try to use two different timbres on the same instrument and play something with timbre 1, then while that's playing back play something complimentary on timbre 2, and keep going. It ends up sounding like an improvised duet, but if you pay attention to what you're playing - it can sound like the two duet players have esp or something. Examples of multiple timbres are the "doum" and the "ta" sounds on the doumbek; or hihat/snare/bass versus open snare and rim clicks; or tabla versus bayan; or playing on the edge and middle of a frame drum; or or or or... One other thing Rick didn't mention (but he would have if I didn't I bet) to yet is a comment on one thing you said: "I only have a DL-4 but I have found it very workable as long as you're accurate on the initial recording pass" Rick is the prophet of "lumpy loops" I and because of him a whole new rhymic world has emerged for me. (something new after 20 years of drumming???) I urge you not to trash a loop that isn't accurate in the initial recording pass. Trust me there's charm in those loops, and its one thing that will set you apart as a live loopist, if you can take a lumpy loop and play along with it!!! Once it repeats a few times, it becomes totally "in" and groovy. Somehow this is the essence of looping for me - humans dig familiarity, and after a few times through a "totally out" loop, people start liking it, and expecting all the little things that are about to come around. Another thing - after being a part of several looping festivals and performances I have noticed one common theme. Many performers at some point make some mistake, and apologize to the audience for it - or even stop the song and start over. Nobody even knew they made a mistake, until the apology. If you assume you did it on purpose, so will everyone else. If you make a lumpy loop - you did it on purpose and let everyone marvel in this new odd-time signature they never knew existed -smile- Ok, I'm rambling. talk to you later Paul, and yes, there are plenty of looping percussionists around. If you have specific questions, just ask maybe someone will have some advise. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 15:05:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3SJ3p723641; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:03:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:03:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <178.19cc0660.2bded4b8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:02:16 EDT Subject: Re: Little Whales update: I Gave My Dead Love a Red Rose To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h3SJ2QB23329 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com DG, Very, very nice indeed. Thanks for sharing. I also liked Andy Butler's "Backwater" too. Keep it up. tEd ® kiLLiAn ArsOcarina@aol.com http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 15:50:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3SJnQJ00587; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:49:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:49:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:48:37 -0400 From: Paulzric@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tubes versus Modeling Caged Death Match: Clownin' MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <0E7E90A6.0C1E97CF.007D6382@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > If you put on big shoes and a red nose, > you're a clown. What then of Poor Tom? Remember that act from King Lear where Edgar ("I nothing am") is falsely accused by his bastard brother, Edmund, and as a result their father sends guards after the fugitive and like unto a bedlam beggar he grimes his face with filth? Is he the thing itself as King Lear later accuses before the mock court scene or is he the beggar "obeyed in office"? I'm not sure that by playing the beggar Shakespeare is suggesting that he is the thing itself...but you're right, it's disagreeable. I think what Shakespeare was getting at is that we ARE "the thing itself," the thing underneath. The king is no more a king than you or I, but simply because he wears the robes, all bow and do as they're told. Interesting debate we are having, no? Peace. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 15:58:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3SJvur02048; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:57:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:57:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 21:00:58 +0100 Subject: Re: Lawson versus LaFosse Caged Death Match From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3EAD72E4.682AE89D@earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0EinZD.A.we.peYr-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 28/4/03 7:28 pm, Andre LaFosse at altruist@earthlink.net wrote: Reference noted. Steve Lawson pioneer of the Dr. who aesthetic! Ha! > Ye verily forsooth, > > Steve Lawson wrote: > >> ...and I'll second whoever it was who was digging Andre's Boogie-tone - >> coupled with his boogie-dance, it's a show-stopper... ;o) > > Indeed! > > One good back-handed compliment deserves another... > >> ...but you can 'simulate' being a clown by dressing like one, which I think >> is a more analogous analogy than the simulating dressing like a >> clown. > > Tell us then, Steve: where does walking on stage with shiny fingernail > polish, a tight silver t-shirt, and feathered blue jacket fall on the > "clown simulation" vs. "clown dress simulation" continuum? 8() > > I certainly hope Geoff Smith gives you due credit for single-handedly > bringing the influence of John Nathan Turner-era "Dr. Who" aesthetic > sensibilities into the looping paradigm... ;) > > The proverbial big love, > > --Dre > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 16:18:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3SKHRS07910; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:17:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:17:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.146.127.112] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, davidtorn@yahoogroups.com Subject: NYC Looping Gig Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:16:27 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2003 20:16:27.0489 (UTC) FILETIME=[0C6EFD10:01C30DC3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ciao friends, Please come by for a night of solo stick/loop improv.... Thursday, May 01 10.30 pm (lounge is open 9-2) phOnOmena @ subtonic 107 Norfolk Street (bet. Rivington & Delancey) Lower East Side, NYC The show is FREE Regards Louis Ps. Below please find a link to some new music online too. http://achang.com.nmsrv.com/lou/ _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 16:26:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3SKQDr10320; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:26:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:26:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:25:32 -0400 Subject: Accidental performance tomorrow From: Jeffrey Lomas To: Mike & Indra , Kristin Janz , , Amy Jo , Harry Lomas , "Lomas, Harry" , jennifer decourcy , , Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_yBxXD.A.tfC.D5Yr-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Apologies for cross posting. By virtue of happenstance Michael LaMeyer and I will be performing tomorrow night at the Sonic Blender tomorrow night in place of Flutter Inversion. Because of our mutual participation in the Council for Sonic Decadence, we will be performing under the moniker "The Sub Committee of Wishes (c4sd-scw). Information about the event can be found at: http://www.randomsalt.com/events/sonicblender.php Sorry for the short notice. Hope to see you there! Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 16:27:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3SKMOI09359; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:22:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:22:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:21:46 -0700 Subject: Re: Lawson versus LaFosse Caged Death Match Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3EAD72E4.682AE89D@earthlink.net> Message-Id: <08A8D9B8-79B7-11D7-B693-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's glam not clown! On Monday, April 28, 2003, at 11:28 AM, Andre LaFosse wrote: > Tell us then, Steve: where does walking on stage with shiny fingernail > polish, a tight silver t-shirt, and feathered blue jacket fall on the > "clown simulation" vs. "clown dress simulation" continuum? 8() From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 16:46:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3SKgML14523; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:42:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:42:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <15.10053fc5.2bdeec07@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:41:43 EDT Subject: Re: Percussion Looping: MICING and MONITORING & more To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_15.10053fc5.2bdeec07_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_15.10053fc5.2bdeec07_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/27/03 11:04:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes: > They are also low enough profile that they don't look like big clunky > headphones. > heaven forbid and muss up that pretty hair!.....ricky, i know you are bz but rough ballpark date of y2k3, PLEASE (?).....and yes, i would slither across the u s of a on my belly to see KIM play!.....:)michael --part1_15.10053fc5.2bdeec07_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 4/27/0= 3 11:04:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes:


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heaven forbid and muss up that pretty hair!.....ricky, i know you are bz but= rough ballpark date of y2k3, PLEASE (?).....and yes, i would slither across= the u s of a on my belly to see KIM play!.....:)michael --part1_15.10053fc5.2bdeec07_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 16:47:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3SKkWm15602; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:46:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:46:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:45:53 -0700 Message-ID: <3EA9AD3A00001F80@mta5.wss.scd.yahoo.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: [gig] Atomic Mobius Machine live on the internet To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h3SKjwB15466 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lellow Foopers, Atomic Mobius Machine will once again be playing live for you on the internet! On Saturday, May 3rd, we'll be playing from 8pm-12pm/PST on AwesomeRadio.net. (But, we often go longer than that.) Atomic Mobius Machine is best classified as Electronic Ambient Trance music (although I like to call it 'loopadelic'), and features myself, and Dan Moore, on various musical instruments and electronic samplers, with an EDP and Acid doing most of the looping work. We are also hoping to have a guest performer with us, although we won't know until that night! For more info and music samples, please click here... http://www.musetrap.com/atomicmobiusmachine/ So tune into AwesomeRadio.net, at http://www.awesomeradio.net, Saturday, May 3rd, at 8pm for some really trippy music. Technically speaking, it's a shoutcast stream (ie. mp3 format) and can easily be listened to with WinAmp (www.winamp.com) or Windows MediaPlayer under Windows, iTunes will work for you on the Mac, and XMMS (http://www.xmms.org/) under Linux... AwesomeRadio has just upgraded it streaming capabilities and now serves 3 streams, with increasing quality/bandwidth requirements. Here are the addresses to use: broadband http://radio.awesomeradio.net:8000 24/22 mono http://radio.awesomeradio.net:8006 16/16 mono http://radio.awesomeradio.net:8004 For our show we'll be broadcasting a nice sounding stereo stream on the broadband port, but, if your internet connection can't handle that, please use one of the other ports. AwesomeRadio also has an IRC chat room, for those so inclined. You can use a Java client (linked from the website), or a native client, such as mIRC for Windows. The IRC network is irc.awesomechat.net, and the channel is #awesomeradio. Of course, while we are playing we won't be chatting much, but there will be other listeners in there, so... I hope you can tune in for some of the show... :) peace -cpr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 17:16:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3SLGJF25200; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 17:16:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 17:16:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EAD98E1.85B560EB@ubuibi.org> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 14:10:57 -0700 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "11111@yahoogroups.com" <11111@yahoogroups.com>, "'Experimental Music'" , "plunderphonia@yahoogroups.com" , The Evolution Control Committee , "noise@yahoogroups.com" , "omni-artists@yahoogroups.com" , "oddmusic@yahoogroups.com" , "experiments_in_sound@yahoogroups.com" , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" , "gasplanet@compound-eye.org" , "cassette-culture@yahoogroups.com" , Culture Jammers Network , "Drone@yahoogroups.com" , 21 Grand <21grand@21grand.org>, "benders@yahoogroups.com" , bay area goths yahoo , "avant_rock@yahoogroups.com" , "antimusick@yahoogroups.com" Subject: plagiarism is patriotic show Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "plagiarism is patriotic" http://ubuibi.org/patriotic live performances by: big city orchestra and evolution control committee plus special video screening: Value-Added Cinema: A Product Placement Compendium Directed by Steve Seid and Peter Conheim VALUE-ADDED CINEMA is a new 47-minute video work co-created by Steve Seid (Pacific Film Archive) and Peter Conheim (Wet Gate, Mono Pause, Negativland) sunday ... may 4, 2003 ... 8pm sliding scale, $5 - $10 21Grand 449B 23rd Street Oakland, CA 94612 plus the whole crew will be on kpfa.org tuesday night at 11:59pm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 17:19:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3SLJIC26228; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 17:19:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 17:19:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <152.1e9da7da.2bdaf76b@aol.com> <3EAC2236.2010406@quik.com> <003601c30cf8$53943370$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> Subject: Re: Looping percussionists Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 14:18:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2003 21:18:41.0497 (UTC) FILETIME=[BE136490:01C30DCB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Paul, dig this too: http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200202/msg00005.html This is a wonderful Rick Walker post where he talks about some of his techniques (where I got the idea for the jungle/trip hop kit I'm building now) and of course its also the imfamous "Martha Steward Brass Waste Basket" message... Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 17:22:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3SLH3M25463; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 17:17:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 17:17:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00cd01c30dcb$41131e40$9e63f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200304282018.h3SKIEs08118@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: lightweight headphones for monitoring percussion Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 14:15:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just found the catalogue number at Radio Shack for those interested in those low profile, NON closed ear headphones that allow you to monitor your loops but hear your band simultaneously. They are catalogue number #33-1122 they are $40 and frequently go on sale for $20. There is so much to be dubious about with Radio Shack gear but I have found that they frequently have headphones that kick ass that are much cheaper than the standard AKG, Sony and Sennheiser fare that you find in most professional recording studios. In a panic at the Festival of Live Digital Animation in San Jose I called my father and asked him to buy me a pair of those phones on his way to hear the concert. As it turns out, they were out of them and he bought the cheapest equivalents, which were a pair of closed ear headphones for $50. I was really bummed that he didn't get the right ones but then was completely delighted to find out that the phones had a swivel feature which allowed you to swivel one (or BOTH) earphones off your head while the whole assemble stays in place.........kind of like a custom DJ headphone. I liked it so much that I went and bought a second pair (because they are discontinuing them). they have become my favorite studio headphone: they have excellent fidelity, incredible isolation (great for making sure that your click tracks don't bleed into your drum mics) and are so convenient for those times when you want to slip your phones off and say something snide to the bass player about the producer of your session........................LOL.........just kidding. They might still be around at some Radio Shack stores. Hunt 'em down, they are worth it. yours, rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 18:16:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3SMEr617169; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 18:14:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 18:14:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <02e001c30dd3$904a6100$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> From: "Paul Marshall" To: References: <20021126171041.74945.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Admin query Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 23:14:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Loopers I am regularly unsubscribed by the from the list because I bounce mails that I believe to be spam. I use a prog called Mailwasher. I receive maybe 100 spam messages a day and I check them at the server to accept or bounce. Usually I can tell which are LD posts because it says so in the TO column. However when there is a post where LD is in the CC or one of a list of recipients then it displays an unrecognisable e-mail addy and I bounce it believing it to be someone wanting to enlarge my breasts or something :). LOL I scan my mails carefully before deleting but the volume of traffic, the variety of subject headers and number of subscribers here means that posts can and do get deleted in error. I was unsubscribed again tonight when I bounced the post from Jeff Lomas with the Subject of 'Accidental performance tomorrow' where LD was part of a list of addressees. Mailwasher showed the first addressee only and I bounced it. I don't want to have to open every mail to check obviously. Ok so I know this is a limitation of Mailwasher but is anyone else having this difficulty. All of the other fora I participate in to varying degrees have some sort of a header to identify [Loopers-delight] kind of thing. I understand that this isn't a yahoo group and different approaches apply. Anyone have a workaround or a best way? I'm still ruminating on the percussionist loopers thread, thanks to all for the replies, I'll post again tomorrow. Love the forum guys. Cheers. Thanks Kim Paul ---------------------- Paul Marshall Portfolio Sound Artist http://www.powerhaus.net http://www.drumdojo.com http://www.differentdrums.co.uk NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation www.dacapo.co.uk **Drumdojo Recommended Reading For April 2003** Indigenous Irish Percussion http://www.drumdojo.com/world/ireland/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 18:53:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3SMqvV00337; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 18:52:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 18:52:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EADAF93.66782290@ubuibi.org> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:47:48 -0700 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Admin query References: <20021126171041.74945.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> <02e001c30dd3$904a6100$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oh, i know i throw a lot of the loopers messages away because there is no header. would admin PLEASE start to add [Loopers-delight] Paul Marshall wrote: > Hi Loopers > > All of the other fora I participate in to varying degrees > have some sort of a header to identify [Loopers-delight] kind of thing. I > understand that this isn't a yahoo group and different approaches apply. > > Anyone have a workaround or a best way? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 19:06:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3SN6E306840; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 19:06:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 19:06:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: Admin query Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 18:05:13 -0500 Message-ID: <01f301c30dda$a03b2c50$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <3EADAF93.66782290@ubuibi.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com please don't start this again... plus, you can talk to kim directly, yes? > would admin PLEASE start to add [Loopers-delight] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 19:32:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3SNVch17262; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 19:31:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 19:31:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004901c30ddd$fdb5f600$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: Tubes versus Modeling Caged Death Match Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 00:29:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark" > Nope, I totally disagree. If you put on big shoes and a red nose, > you're a clown. I know professional clowns who would have a severe hissy fit at that suggestion, in the same way that I get all upset when guitarists pick up a bass, play it like it's an oversized guitar and call themselves bassists - they look like bass players but are in fact guitar playing bass holders. The difference is only clear and label-able to the initiated, but the effects are felt by all. In the same way that if I dressed like a clown, you'd look at me and say 'Clown', but anyone who was really a clown would watch my attemts at CLOWNING (a real verb, that describes a creative pursuit, not just an idiosyncratic dress sense) and see in a secnd that I didn't have a clue what I was doing. I looked like a clown, and to the uninitiated could pass for a clown. But a real clown could behave like a clown without the shoes and nose (Charlie Chaplin, anyone?) and you'd know what they were doing... Where this fits with the valves/modelling debate is so beautifully poetic, I'm not going to spoil it but reducing it to some form of didactic left-brain thingie... ;o) big love Steve (solo bass noodling purveyor of clown-chic - coming to a venue near you soon) www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 19:56:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3SNtX026616; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 19:55:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 19:55:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EADBE46.FAFD68A6@ubuibi.org> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:50:30 -0700 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Admin query References: <01f301c30dda$a03b2c50$080210ac@jpalmer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i fucking will bring it up if i want and i'll write kim as well but notice this from lp site Hi, my name is Kim Flint, I dreamed up this Looper's Delight thing and I'm the one who runs it (with some help....). As it happens, the site has grown and become very popular, and a lot of visitors to the site send me email. I get tons of it. Unfortunately, I'm a rather busy person, and I just don't have time to answer it all. Don't get me wrong, I like hearing from people! And I do try to answer everybody eventually. However, it's not uncommon for someone to ask me a question and wait as much as two months before they get a reply. Terrible, right? Yes, terrible for me and you. So, before I give you my email address, please read through my personal FAQ and see if you can find the answer to your question. -Thanks, Kim. Jim Palmer wrote: > please don't start this again... > plus, you can talk to kim directly, yes? > > > would admin PLEASE start to add [Loopers-delight] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 20:00:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3SNxLq29483; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 19:59:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 19:59:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030428235846.49933.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:58:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Admin query/Boston-area looping event To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <02e001c30dd3$904a6100$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Paul Marshall wrote: > I am regularly unsubscribed by the from the list > because I bounce mails that > I believe to be spam. I use a prog called Mailwasher. Hmmm, next time we get a 'lobster' who can't find his/her way off the list (old joke about unsubscribing that lurks in the archives somewhere) we can just advise him/her to install Mailwasher! > I was unsubscribed again tonight when I > bounced the post from Jeff Lomas with the Subject of > 'Accidental performance tomorrow' where LD was part > of a list of addressees. Speaking of Jeff's post, if any of you attend Sonic Blender tomorrow night, be sure to say hello! Here's the lineup w/ some links: *********************************** Sonic Blender: A Looping Event The Zeitgeist Gallery 1353 Cambridge Street, Inman Square, Cambridge, MA, USA, Northern Hemisphere, Western Hemisphere, Earth, etc. Suggested Donation: $10.00 Performance Schedule: April 29, 2003 9:00pm-12:00am Jorrit Dijkstra Tim Nelson The Sub-Committee of Wishes (c4sd-scw): Michael LaMeyer and Jeff Lomas April 30, 2003 8:00pm-12:00am Micro Vard Soplerfo Up, Down, and Strange *************************************************** Hope to see you there, -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 20:06:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3T05AT31788; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 20:05:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 20:05:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <038b01c30de2$f9a70b30$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> From: "Paul Marshall" To: References: <01f301c30dda$a03b2c50$080210ac@jpalmer> <3EADBE46.FAFD68A6@ubuibi.org> Subject: Re: Admin query Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 01:04:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry. I was unsubscribed for a period a while back. I've obviously revisited old ground here. Sorry if I'm speaking inappropriately. Paul ---------------------- Paul Marshall Portfolio Sound Artist http://www.powerhaus.net http://www.drumdojo.com http://www.differentdrums.co.uk NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation www.dacapo.co.uk **Drumdojo Recommended Reading For April 2003** Indigenous Irish Percussion http://www.drumdojo.com/world/ireland/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 20:06:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3T05kB32041; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 20:05:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 20:05:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030428170323.018bf9b0@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> X-Files: the truth is out there. Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 17:05:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Admin query In-Reply-To: <3EADBE46.FAFD68A6@ubuibi.org> References: <01f301c30dda$a03b2c50$080210ac@jpalmer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And your point is what? At 04:50 PM 2003/04/28 -0700, das wrote: >i fucking will bring it up if i want >and i'll write kim as well >but notice this from lp site > >Hi, my name is Kim Flint, I dreamed up this Looper's Delight thing and >I'm the one who runs it (with some help....). As it happens, the site >has grown and become very popular, and a lot of visitors to the site >send me email. I get tons of it. Unfortunately, I'm a rather busy >person, and I just don't have time to answer it all. Don't get me wrong, >I like hearing from people! And I do try to answer everybody eventually. >However, it's not uncommon for someone to ask me a question and wait as >much as two months before they get a reply. Terrible, right? Yes, >terrible for me and you. So, before I give you my email address, please >read through my personal FAQ and see if you can find the answer to your >question. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 20:07:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3T06Xx32451; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 20:06:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 20:06:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030429000601.28578.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 17:06:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Tubes versus Modeling Caged Death Match To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004901c30ddd$fdb5f600$e0154ed5@bigboy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Steve Lawson wrote: > ...in the same way that I get all upset > when guitarists pick up a > bass, play it like it's an oversized guitar and call > themselves bassists - > they look like bass players but are in fact guitar > playing bass holders... Danny Bonaduce tells a story about how one time on the Partridge Family soundstage, guitar-hero wannabe teen idol David Cassidy got in his face shouting "YOU DON'T STRUM A BASS!!!" -t- ps: Why don't cannibals like clowns? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 20:12:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3T0BS602050; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 20:11:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 20:11:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EADC142.1EA2357E@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 17:03:14 -0700 From: Daryl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Admin query References: <01f301c30dda$a03b2c50$080210ac@jpalmer> <3EADBE46.FAFD68A6@ubuibi.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9kcUN.A.Pc.NMcr-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Search the archive for Kim's posts on November 20 of last year (A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE THREAD TITLE), there was a lot of discussion that probably doesn't have to happen again. ahem, Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com > i fucking will bring it up if i want > and i'll write kim as well > but notice this from lp site From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 20:31:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3T0URv09792; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 20:30:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 20:30:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 17:29:50 -0700 Subject: Re: Admin query Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <02e001c30dd3$904a6100$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why not just let you mail client do it? Most have some mail filters now. OSX's Mail seems to do a great job of figuring out what's spam. Mark Sottlaro On Monday, April 28, 2003, at 03:14 PM, Paul Marshall wrote: > Hi Loopers > > I am regularly unsubscribed by the from the list because I bounce > mails that > I believe to be spam. I use a prog called Mailwasher. I receive maybe > 100 > spam messages a day and I check them at the server to accept or bounce. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 20:48:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3T0mHe17192; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 20:48:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 20:48:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 17:47:46 -0700 Subject: Re: Tubes versus Modeling Caged Death Match Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <004901c30ddd$fdb5f600$e0154ed5@bigboy> Message-Id: <31E82CFE-79DC-11D7-B693-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So, you're point (I think) is that the clown (or the model) is in the eye of the beholder, eh? If that is your point, I think I'll agree. I was listening to the Variax's sitar model, and I thought they sounded great, a lot better than any synth sitar I've heard. However, I've never owned a sitar, or played one, so what I think is a good model, might be a bad model if you're Ravi Shankar. Since I hate clowns, anyone I see dressed as a clown is close enough to a clown for me to say, it's good enough. Since I like Sitars, but can't afford a good one or find time to learn and play one, I'd take a Variax or what seems equally as good, the Roland VG-88. Actually, I'd for sure go with the Roland, as I already have the hex pickup, so that makes it one less thing to have around. My guess is companies like Line6 mostly hedge the bet that the dozen or so amp or guitar models they give you for $400 are "good enough" as most people don't have 12 tube amps or 12 guitars. Maybe they should call their devices, "amp aproxamators." So this is where the Pod and other similar devices really shine. They give you a lot of decent variety for the dollar, as someone earlier wrote. Maybe a few get close, maybe some sound better in some ways. Nothing is *exact* as even batches of tubes vary from one to another. Now I'm going to do a mime simulation and shut up! Mark Sottilaro On Monday, April 28, 2003, at 04:29 PM, Steve Lawson wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mark" >> Nope, I totally disagree. If you put on big shoes and a red nose, >> you're a clown. > > I know professional clowns who would have a severe hissy fit at that > suggestion, in the same way that I get all upset when guitarists pick > up a > bass, play it like it's an oversized guitar and call themselves > bassists - > they look like bass players but are in fact guitar playing bass > holders. The > difference is only clear and label-able to the initiated, but the > effects > are felt by all. In the same way that if I dressed like a clown, you'd > look > at me and say 'Clown', but anyone who was really a clown would watch my > attemts at CLOWNING (a real verb, that describes a creative pursuit, > not > just an idiosyncratic dress sense) and see in a secnd that I didn't > have a > clue what I was doing. I looked like a clown, and to the uninitiated > could > pass for a clown. But a real clown could behave like a clown without > the > shoes and nose (Charlie Chaplin, anyone?) and you'd know what they were > doing... > > Where this fits with the valves/modelling debate is so beautifully > poetic, > I'm not going to spoil it but reducing it to some form of didactic > left-brain thingie... ;o) > > big love > > Steve (solo bass noodling purveyor of clown-chic - coming to a venue > near > you soon) > www.steve-lawson.co.uk > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 20:49:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3T0mlg17396; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 20:48:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 20:48:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Tubes versus Modeling Caged Death Match Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 17:48:21 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20030429000601.28578.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ps: Why don't cannibals like clowns? They taste funny Why don't cannibals eat loopers? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 20:55:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3T0t9m19800; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 20:55:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 20:55:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01fb01c30de9$ec2e3c60$0100a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Tubes versus Modeling Caged Death Match Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 01:54:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 01:48:AM Subject: RE: Tubes versus Modeling Caged Death Match > > > ps: Why don't cannibals like clowns? > They taste funny > > Why don't cannibals eat loopers? They always come back. Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Other - Quasi-daily Cartoon http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 20:57:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3T0urC20588; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 20:56:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 20:56:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 20:57:54 -0400 Subject: Re: Tubes versus Modeling Caged Death Match Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: "mr.monk" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <31E82CFE-79DC-11D7-B693-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: <9C358EBE-79DD-11D7-B82A-000393073870@fuse.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com good point. but there is an inexpensive way to make a sitar-guitar, if that is the sound you're after...( and it sounds a lot better than the variax..) just get a danelectro doublecut reissue ( i got mine for $100) and call jerry jones in nashville and order his sitar bridge (about $45) and it's a pretty direct install, you'll need to buy a trapeze tailpiece (mine was $8)... so for around $150 and about an hour or less of labor i have a great sounding sitar guitar. monk On Monday, April 28, 2003, at 08:47 PM, mark wrote: > So, you're point (I think) is that the clown (or the model) is in the > eye of the beholder, eh? If that is your point, I think I'll agree. > I was listening to the Variax's sitar model, and I thought they > sounded great, a lot better than any synth sitar I've heard. However, > I've never owned a sitar, or played one, so what I think is a good > model, might be a bad model if you're Ravi Shankar. Since I hate > clowns, anyone I see dressed as a clown is close enough to a clown for > me to say, it's good enough. Since I like Sitars, but can't afford a > good one or find time to learn and play one, I'd take a Variax or what > seems equally as good, the Roland VG-88. Actually, I'd for sure go > with the Roland, as I already have the hex pickup, so that makes it > one less thing to have around. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 20:59:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3T0x3F21611; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 20:59:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 20:59:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030428205625.009f0bb0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: taghairm@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 20:58:20 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: p koniuto Subject: Re: --GIG-news [Boston] where Boston Loopfest left off...-- In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030422183440.00a4c5a0@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just a friendly reminder...SONIC BLENDER: A LOOPING EVENT is happening TUESDAY and WEDNESDAY of this week. Don't miss it if you're in the area!!! -peter At 06:35 PM 4/22/03 -0400, you wrote: >Hey loopers: > >I'm quite pleased to announce, beginning one week from >today: > > Sonic Blender: A Looping Event > >Sonic Blender picks up where Boston Loopfest, held at the >Zeitgeist in January, left off. > >Six performances over two nights, with each act using evolving >electronic loops somewhere in their live performance. Expect >this to be an exciting and moving musical exploration! > >As you will see from the set lists below, some of the performers >are members of Loopers-Delight. > > >Performance Schedule: > > >April 29, 2003 [9p-midnight] > >Jorrit Dijkstra >Tim Nelson >Flutterinversion > >MC: tbd > > -- > >April 30, 2003 [8p-midnight] > >Micro Vard >Soplerfo >Up, Down, and Strange > >MC: WMBR's Ajda the Turkish Queen > > >For links to the individual performers' websites, with >sound files, &c, visit: > >http://www.randomsalt.com/events/sonicblender.php > > >Venue: >The Zeitgeist Gallery >1353 Cambridge Street >Inman Square, Cambridge, MA > >Suggested Donation: $10.00 >(no one will be turned away for lack of funds) > >The talent on this bill is colossal! Please join us >for what promises to be an evening of diverse and >exciting music which has come together under the common >theme of the loop. > >[brought to you by the Council for Sonic Decadence] > >-peter koniuto > >______________________________ >Creative Recordist - Composer >Red Sun Soundroom >Somerville, MA > >857-257-6037 (ph) >617-790-0380 (fax) > >peter@RedSunSoundroom.com >______________________________ > > ______________________________ Creative Recordist - Composer Red Sun Soundroom Somerville, MA 857-257-6037 (ph) 617-790-0380 (fax) peter@RedSunSoundroom.com ______________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 21:00:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3T0xoh23258; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 20:59:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 20:59:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EADD120.5C78134D@erols.com> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 21:10:56 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tubes versus Modeling Caged Death Match References: <31E82CFE-79DC-11D7-B693-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mark wrote: > So, you're point (I think) is that the clown (or the model) is in the > eye of the beholder, eh? If that is your point, I think I'll agree. I > was listening to the Variax's sitar model, and I thought they sounded > great, a lot better than any synth sitar I've heard. However, I've > never owned a sitar, or played one, so what I think is a good model, > might be a bad model if you're Ravi Shankar. Since I hate clowns, > anyone I see dressed as a clown is close enough to a clown for me to > say, it's good enough. Since I like Sitars, but can't afford a good > one or find time to learn and play one, I'd take a Variax or what seems > equally as good, the Roland VG-88. Actually, I'd for sure go with the > Roland, as I already have the hex pickup, so that makes it one less > thing to have around. > > My guess is companies like Line6 mostly hedge the bet that the dozen or > so amp or guitar models they give you for $400 are "good enough" as > most people don't have 12 tube amps or 12 guitars. Maybe they should > call their devices, "amp aproxamators." > > So this is where the Pod and other similar devices really shine. They > give you a lot of decent variety for the dollar, as someone earlier > wrote. Maybe a few get close, maybe some sound better in some ways. > Nothing is *exact* as even batches of tubes vary from one to another. > > Now I'm going to do a mime simulation and shut up! > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Monday, April 28, 2003, at 04:29 PM, Steve Lawson wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "mark" > >> Nope, I totally disagree. If you put on big shoes and a red nose, > >> you're a clown. > > > > I know professional clowns who would have a severe hissy fit at that > > suggestion, in the same way that I get all upset when guitarists pick > > up a > > bass, play it like it's an oversized guitar and call themselves > > bassists - > > they look like bass players but are in fact guitar playing bass > > holders. The > > difference is only clear and label-able to the initiated, but the > > effects > > are felt by all. In the same way that if I dressed like a clown, you'd > > look > > at me and say 'Clown', but anyone who was really a clown would watch my > > attemts at CLOWNING (a real verb, that describes a creative pursuit, > > not > > just an idiosyncratic dress sense) and see in a secnd that I didn't > > have a > > clue what I was doing. I looked like a clown, and to the uninitiated > > could > > pass for a clown. But a real clown could behave like a clown without > > the > > shoes and nose (Charlie Chaplin, anyone?) and you'd know what they were > > doing... > > > > Where this fits with the valves/modelling debate is so beautifully > > poetic, > > I'm not going to spoil it but reducing it to some form of didactic > > left-brain thingie... ;o) > > > > big love > > > > Steve (solo bass noodling purveyor of clown-chic - coming to a venue > > near > > you soon) > > www.steve-lawson.co.uk > > > > I got a Roland VG-8 when they were brand new. I don't use it much these days but the string instrument sounds, banjo, sitar, koto, etc. are pretty cool. I still use the bass sounds for recording. The synth-type sounds are also quite useful. If someone made me a good offer I might be willing to sell it. John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 21:04:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3T14Jp25125; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 21:04:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 21:04:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <025001c30deb$307426e0$0100a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <9C358EBE-79DD-11D7-B82A-000393073870@fuse.net> Subject: Re: Tubes versus Modeling Caged Death Match Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 02:03:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had an acoustic years ago that, after a fire in my dorm (but on a floor above mine), was found floating in the water upon my arrival. From the point where it'd dried out, it sounded like a sitar, no matter what I did to it. I'm sorry now that I abused it Townshend-style back in 1978 during a er, happening, it'd be fun to fiddle with now. Isn't there some kind of kapo-style thing one can put on the neck to make this happen? Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Other - Quasi-daily Cartoon http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! > good point. but there is an inexpensive way to make a sitar-guitar, if > that is the sound you're after...( and it sounds a lot better than the > variax..) just get a danelectro doublecut reissue ( i got mine for > $100) and call jerry jones in nashville and order his sitar bridge > (about $45) and it's a pretty direct install, you'll need to buy a > trapeze tailpiece (mine was $8)... so for around $150 and about an hour > or less of labor i have a great sounding sitar guitar. > > > monk > > > On Monday, April 28, 2003, at 08:47 PM, mark wrote: > > > So, you're point (I think) is that the clown (or the model) is in the > > eye of the beholder, eh? If that is your point, I think I'll agree. > > I was listening to the Variax's sitar model, and I thought they > > sounded great, a lot better than any synth sitar I've heard. However, > > I've never owned a sitar, or played one, so what I think is a good > > model, might be a bad model if you're Ravi Shankar. Since I hate > > clowns, anyone I see dressed as a clown is close enough to a clown for > > me to say, it's good enough. Since I like Sitars, but can't afford a > > good one or find time to learn and play one, I'd take a Variax or what > > seems equally as good, the Roland VG-88. Actually, I'd for sure go > > with the Roland, as I already have the hex pickup, so that makes it > > one less thing to have around. > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 28 21:09:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3T18eM26931; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 21:08:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 21:08:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 18:06:48 -0700 Subject: Re: Tubes versus Modeling Caged Death Match From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <31E82CFE-79DC-11D7-B693-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > My guess is companies like Line6 mostly hedge the bet that the dozen or > so amp or guitar models they give you for $400 are "good enough" as > most people don't have 12 tube amps > Mark i do :-) s (now watching: 'shakes the clown') From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 00:11:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3T4BEQ04160; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 00:11:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 00:11:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030428223045.0298aec0@mail.gamutstudio.com> X-Sender: jon@gamutstudio.com@mail.gamutstudio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 23:06:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jon Southwood Subject: Quasi-Gig Alert (Eastern Iowa) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings all, I usually lurk around here, but I've been known to post in the past. Anyway, this coming Friday and Sunday nights I'll be performing with the largest looper's rig I've ever been involved with: a 60+ member choir. We'll be performing 3 pieces I wrote for the group, all of which feature looping in various configurations (though all loops, mangled or otherwise, will be performed manually by the choir...old world looping technology at work). If any of the following are of any interest to you, you should check out the concert: extreme hocketing (a la Louis Andriessen, Robert Fripp) non-linear minimalism (think Stravinsky crossed with Reich) ambient modernist refraction of Renaissance polyphony (Palestrina crossed with Schoenberg; like P.M. Davies but not nearly as sinister) OK, those should do as descriptions for the 3 pieces of mine to be performed on the concert. The details: Who: Chorale Midwest When: Friday, May 2 and Sunday, May 4; 7:30PM (both are evening performances) Where: First Lutheran Church, Cedar Rapids, IA How Much: $10 for adults, $8 for kids and seniors After the concerts are done and I can take the time, I'll write something about how some of the more esoteric functions of the EDP have influenced my non-real-time looping compositions. Cheers, Jon Southwood jon@gamutstudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 00:22:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3T4M6107526; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 00:22:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 00:22:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EADFE6C.B100AC3@tapehissrecordings.com> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 00:24:12 -0400 From: Scott Carr Organization: Tapehiss Recordings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Admin query References: <20021126171041.74945.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> <02e001c30dd3$904a6100$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, it's a sensible request, but the one person who could change a simple listserv configuration file thinks doing so is unhip and enables morons. After all, Yahoo does this, and we all know that the unwashed have ruined the internet by trying to make it too EASY. Really it's the only thing I don't like about this list. The signal to noise ratio is fairly low, people are generally kind and helpful, trolls are shown the door fairly quickly, and there is lots of information passed around about all things looping related. I know fully well how to use mail filters and do use them for some purposes, but I prefer for all of my music related e-mail to go to my inbox. As my account gets more and more spam e-mails that have subject lines that resemble some of the subject lines for this list it becomes increasingly difficult to sort out threads. So thank you for bringing this up. You shouldn't have to appologize for revisiting old ground here when it is a persistant problem that annoys more than a few subscribers. Scott Paul Marshall wrote: > > Hi Loopers > > I am regularly unsubscribed by the from the list because I bounce mails that > I believe to be spam. I use a prog called Mailwasher. I receive maybe 100 > spam messages a day and I check them at the server to accept or bounce. > > Usually I can tell which are LD posts because it says so in the TO column. > However when there is a post where LD is in the CC or one of a list of > recipients then it displays an unrecognisable e-mail addy and I bounce it > believing it to be someone wanting to enlarge my breasts or something :). > LOL > > I scan my mails carefully before deleting but the volume of traffic, the > variety of subject headers and number of subscribers here means that posts > can and do get deleted in error. I was unsubscribed again tonight when I > bounced the post from Jeff Lomas with the Subject of 'Accidental performance > tomorrow' where LD was part of a list of addressees. Mailwasher showed the > first addressee only and I bounced it. I don't want to have to open every > mail to check obviously. > > Ok so I know this is a limitation of Mailwasher but is anyone else having > this difficulty. All of the other fora I participate in to varying degrees > have some sort of a header to identify [Loopers-delight] kind of thing. I > understand that this isn't a yahoo group and different approaches apply. > > Anyone have a workaround or a best way? > > I'm still ruminating on the percussionist loopers thread, thanks to all for > the replies, I'll post again tomorrow. Love the forum guys. Cheers. > Thanks Kim > > Paul > ---------------------- > Paul Marshall > Portfolio Sound Artist > http://www.powerhaus.net > http://www.drumdojo.com > http://www.differentdrums.co.uk > NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation > www.dacapo.co.uk > **Drumdojo Recommended Reading For April 2003** > Indigenous Irish Percussion > http://www.drumdojo.com/world/ireland/ -- ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% Visit the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot Buttered Elves, & Sunshine http://www.tapehissrecordings.com and our sites at the world's largest online cut-out bin http://mp3.com/hotbutteredelves http://mp3.com/hebephrenica http://mp3.com/sunshineallthetime ....and for a whole new kind of music.... http://www.tapegerm.com ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 00:50:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3T4nco15731; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 00:49:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 00:49:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EAE032E.8AFFF253@ubuibi.org> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 21:44:31 -0700 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Admin query References: <20021126171041.74945.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> <02e001c30dd3$904a6100$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> <3EADFE6C.B100AC3@tapehissrecordings.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com as i wrote before that i too am unhappy with the arrangment and did write to the admin, just recieved this reply; no, I won't clutter the list up with that nonsense. Learn to use the mail filter functions in your email client. kim i've written him back that i do not understand how having a subject header adds clutter, for me having a header would help with spam riddance. hmmmmmm ????? -das ubuibi.org Scott Carr wrote: > Yes, it's a sensible request, but the one person who could change a > simple listserv configuration file thinks doing so is unhip and enables > morons. After all, Yahoo does this, and we all know that the unwashed > have ruined the internet by trying to make it too EASY. > > Really it's the only thing I don't like about this list. The signal to > noise ratio is fairly low, people are generally kind and helpful, trolls > are shown the door fairly quickly, and there is lots of information > passed around about all things looping related. > > I know fully well how to use mail filters and do use them for some > purposes, but I prefer for all of my music related e-mail to go to my > inbox. As my account gets more and more spam e-mails that have subject > lines that resemble some of the subject lines for this list it becomes > increasingly difficult to sort out threads. > > So thank you for bringing this up. You shouldn't have to appologize for > revisiting old ground here when it is a persistant problem that annoys > more than a few subscribers. > > Scott > > Paul Marshall wrote: > > > > Hi Loopers > > > > I am regularly unsubscribed by the from the list because I bounce mails that > > I believe to be spam. I use a prog called Mailwasher. I receive maybe 100 > > spam messages a day and I check them at the server to accept or bounce. > > > > Usually I can tell which are LD posts because it says so in the TO column. > > However when there is a post where LD is in the CC or one of a list of > > recipients then it displays an unrecognisable e-mail addy and I bounce it > > believing it to be someone wanting to enlarge my breasts or something :). > > LOL > > > > I scan my mails carefully before deleting but the volume of traffic, the > > variety of subject headers and number of subscribers here means that posts > > can and do get deleted in error. I was unsubscribed again tonight when I > > bounced the post from Jeff Lomas with the Subject of 'Accidental performance > > tomorrow' where LD was part of a list of addressees. Mailwasher showed the > > first addressee only and I bounced it. I don't want to have to open every > > mail to check obviously. > > > > Ok so I know this is a limitation of Mailwasher but is anyone else having > > this difficulty. All of the other fora I participate in to varying degrees > > have some sort of a header to identify [Loopers-delight] kind of thing. I > > understand that this isn't a yahoo group and different approaches apply. > > > > Anyone have a workaround or a best way? > > > > I'm still ruminating on the percussionist loopers thread, thanks to all for > > the replies, I'll post again tomorrow. Love the forum guys. Cheers. > > Thanks Kim > > > > Paul > > ---------------------- > > Paul Marshall > > Portfolio Sound Artist > > http://www.powerhaus.net > > http://www.drumdojo.com > > http://www.differentdrums.co.uk > > NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation > > www.dacapo.co.uk > > **Drumdojo Recommended Reading For April 2003** > > Indigenous Irish Percussion > > http://www.drumdojo.com/world/ireland/ > > -- > ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% > Visit the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot Buttered Elves, & Sunshine > > http://www.tapehissrecordings.com > > and our sites at the world's largest online cut-out bin > > http://mp3.com/hotbutteredelves > http://mp3.com/hebephrenica > http://mp3.com/sunshineallthetime > > ....and for a whole new kind of music.... > http://www.tapegerm.com > ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 01:33:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3T5WNf27265; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 01:32:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 01:32:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005301c30e10$6da807a0$d062f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200304290057.h3T0vFp20785@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Y2K3 LOOPFEST dates Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 22:30:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Scoots Galore enquired about Y2K3 dates: I am officially not even going to think about it until after this big tour is over. I thought planning and producing the first Y2K2 LOOPFEST was a task.........it ain't nuttin' compared to trying to coordinate a two and a half month tour of ten countries via e-mail.....whew!!!! Two more weeks until our first dates.........I'm so nervous and excited and overwhelmed with things to do........wish me luck rick ps I'm looking at most probably the end of September or first couple of weeks of October (when I turn 50 on the 2nd) as the most probable time frame, however I get back to the states at the end of August and will need to decompress from my tour. The last festival took me a month and a half to coordinate. This time I'll have less time so we'll see how it goes. We will most likely produce it as a benefit only this time I"m considering trying out something fun that will benefit the looping scene in Northern California for the next year.........watch for details (he hints, tantalizingly). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 01:35:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3T5ZIJ27914; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 01:35:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 01:35:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 22:33:41 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Admin query In-reply-to: <3EAE032E.8AFFF253@ubuibi.org> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <23300C45-7A04-11D7-A6D2-0003934CD2FA@zerocrossing.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5vQ9AD.A.kyG.67gr-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com We've been here before, and Kim will not budge on this, even though I think he's the only one I've heard defend it. It's Kim's sandbox, so that's that. No need to beat this dead horse. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, April 28, 2003, at 09:44 PM, das wrote: > as i wrote before that i too am unhappy with the arrangment > and did write to the admin, just recieved this reply; > > no, I won't clutter the list up with that nonsense. Learn to use the > mail > filter functions in your email client. > kim > > i've written him back that i do not understand how having a subject > header adds > clutter, for me having a header would help with spam riddance. > > hmmmmmm ????? > > -das > ubuibi.org > > > > Scott Carr wrote: > >> Yes, it's a sensible request, but the one person who could change a >> simple listserv configuration file thinks doing so is unhip and enables >> morons. After all, Yahoo does this, and we all know that the unwashed >> have ruined the internet by trying to make it too EASY. >> >> Really it's the only thing I don't like about this list. The signal to >> noise ratio is fairly low, people are generally kind and helpful, >> trolls >> are shown the door fairly quickly, and there is lots of information >> passed around about all things looping related. >> >> I know fully well how to use mail filters and do use them for some >> purposes, but I prefer for all of my music related e-mail to go to my >> inbox. As my account gets more and more spam e-mails that have subject >> lines that resemble some of the subject lines for this list it becomes >> increasingly difficult to sort out threads. >> >> So thank you for bringing this up. You shouldn't have to appologize for >> revisiting old ground here when it is a persistant problem that annoys >> more than a few subscribers. >> >> Scott >> >> Paul Marshall wrote: >>> >>> Hi Loopers >>> >>> I am regularly unsubscribed by the from the list because I bounce >>> mails that >>> I believe to be spam. I use a prog called Mailwasher. I receive >>> maybe 100 >>> spam messages a day and I check them at the server to accept or >>> bounce. >>> >>> Usually I can tell which are LD posts because it says so in the TO >>> column. >>> However when there is a post where LD is in the CC or one of a list of >>> recipients then it displays an unrecognisable e-mail addy and I >>> bounce it >>> believing it to be someone wanting to enlarge my breasts or >>> something :). >>> LOL >>> >>> I scan my mails carefully before deleting but the volume of traffic, >>> the >>> variety of subject headers and number of subscribers here means that >>> posts >>> can and do get deleted in error. I was unsubscribed again tonight >>> when I >>> bounced the post from Jeff Lomas with the Subject of 'Accidental >>> performance >>> tomorrow' where LD was part of a list of addressees. Mailwasher >>> showed the >>> first addressee only and I bounced it. I don't want to have to open >>> every >>> mail to check obviously. >>> >>> Ok so I know this is a limitation of Mailwasher but is anyone else >>> having >>> this difficulty. All of the other fora I participate in to varying >>> degrees >>> have some sort of a header to identify [Loopers-delight] kind of >>> thing. I >>> understand that this isn't a yahoo group and different approaches >>> apply. >>> >>> Anyone have a workaround or a best way? >>> >>> I'm still ruminating on the percussionist loopers thread, thanks to >>> all for >>> the replies, I'll post again tomorrow. Love the forum guys. Cheers. >>> Thanks Kim >>> >>> Paul >>> ---------------------- >>> Paul Marshall >>> Portfolio Sound Artist >>> http://www.powerhaus.net >>> http://www.drumdojo.com >>> http://www.differentdrums.co.uk >>> NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation >>> www.dacapo.co.uk >>> **Drumdojo Recommended Reading For April 2003** >>> Indigenous Irish Percussion >>> http://www.drumdojo.com/world/ireland/ >> >> -- >> ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% >> ~% >> Visit the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot Buttered Elves, & Sunshine >> >> http://www.tapehissrecordings.com >> >> and our sites at the world's largest online cut-out bin >> >> http://mp3.com/hotbutteredelves >> http://mp3.com/hebephrenica >> http://mp3.com/sunshineallthetime >> >> ....and for a whole new kind of music.... >> http://www.tapegerm.com >> ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% >> ~% > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 01:39:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3T5d0u28896; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 01:39:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 01:39:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030429053845.13238.qmail@web21507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 22:38:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: Admin query To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3EAE032E.8AFFF253@ubuibi.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not sure what the big deal is here. My filter catches everything from LD and dumps it into my LD folder with no problems -- the only thing it doesn't catch is the mass mails that are sent to LD which I personally don't like. I also don't like people that respond to the digest without clarifying which post they are replying to but that's another story -- I just take the loss on the mass mails the filter doesn't catch -- Life goes on if I miss one :) One thing you guys may want to do is change your subscription to the digest form. That's a pretty solid and consistent header. --- das wrote: > as i wrote before that i too am unhappy with the > arrangment > and did write to the admin, just recieved this > reply; > > no, I won't clutter the list up with that nonsense. > Learn to use the mail > filter functions in your email client. > kim > > i've written him back that i do not understand how > having a subject header adds > clutter, for me having a header would help with spam > riddance. > > hmmmmmm ????? > > -das > ubuibi.org > > > > Scott Carr wrote: > > > Yes, it's a sensible request, but the one person > who could change a > > simple listserv configuration file thinks doing so > is unhip and enables > > morons. After all, Yahoo does this, and we all > know that the unwashed > > have ruined the internet by trying to make it too > EASY. > > > > Really it's the only thing I don't like about this > list. The signal to > > noise ratio is fairly low, people are generally > kind and helpful, trolls > > are shown the door fairly quickly, and there is > lots of information > > passed around about all things looping related. > > > > I know fully well how to use mail filters and do > use them for some > > purposes, but I prefer for all of my music related > e-mail to go to my > > inbox. As my account gets more and more spam > e-mails that have subject > > lines that resemble some of the subject lines for > this list it becomes > > increasingly difficult to sort out threads. > > > > So thank you for bringing this up. You shouldn't > have to appologize for > > revisiting old ground here when it is a persistant > problem that annoys > > more than a few subscribers. > > > > Scott > > > > Paul Marshall wrote: > > > > > > Hi Loopers > > > > > > I am regularly unsubscribed by the from the list > because I bounce mails that > > > I believe to be spam. I use a prog called > Mailwasher. I receive maybe 100 > > > spam messages a day and I check them at the > server to accept or bounce. > > > > > > Usually I can tell which are LD posts because it > says so in the TO column. > > > However when there is a post where LD is in the > CC or one of a list of > > > recipients then it displays an unrecognisable > e-mail addy and I bounce it > > > believing it to be someone wanting to enlarge my > breasts or something :). > > > LOL > > > > > > I scan my mails carefully before deleting but > the volume of traffic, the > > > variety of subject headers and number of > subscribers here means that posts > > > can and do get deleted in error. I was > unsubscribed again tonight when I > > > bounced the post from Jeff Lomas with the > Subject of 'Accidental performance > > > tomorrow' where LD was part of a list of > addressees. Mailwasher showed the > > > first addressee only and I bounced it. I don't > want to have to open every > > > mail to check obviously. > > > > > > Ok so I know this is a limitation of Mailwasher > but is anyone else having > > > this difficulty. All of the other fora I > participate in to varying degrees > > > have some sort of a header to identify > [Loopers-delight] kind of thing. I > > > understand that this isn't a yahoo group and > different approaches apply. > > > > > > Anyone have a workaround or a best way? > > > > > > I'm still ruminating on the percussionist > loopers thread, thanks to all for > > > the replies, I'll post again tomorrow. Love the > forum guys. Cheers. > > > Thanks Kim > > > > > > Paul > > > ---------------------- > > > Paul Marshall > > > Portfolio Sound Artist > > > http://www.powerhaus.net > > > http://www.drumdojo.com > > > http://www.differentdrums.co.uk > > > NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation > > > www.dacapo.co.uk > > > **Drumdojo Recommended Reading For April 2003** > > > Indigenous Irish Percussion > > > http://www.drumdojo.com/world/ireland/ > > > > -- > > > ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% > > Visit the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot > Buttered Elves, & Sunshine > > > > > http://www.tapehissrecordings.com > > > > and our sites at the world's largest > online cut-out bin > > > > > http://mp3.com/hotbutteredelves > > http://mp3.com/hebephrenica > > > http://mp3.com/sunshineallthetime > > > > ....and for a whole new kind of > music.... > > http://www.tapegerm.com > > > ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 01:58:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3T5vsG01196; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 01:57:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 01:57:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005301c30e10$6da807a0$d062f93f@global> References: <200304290057.h3T0vFp20785@hemlock.violacea.com> <005301c30e10$6da807a0$d062f93f@global> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 22:51:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Y2K3 LOOPFEST dates Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:30 PM -0700 4/28/03, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: >I'm looking at most probably the end of September or first couple of >weeks of October (when I turn 50 on the 2nd) as the most probable >time frame The International Computer Music Conference (ICMC) takes place September 29 through October 4 in Singapore. The Audio Engineering Society (AES) Convention takes place October 10-13 in New York. Coincidentally, my 40th high school reunion takes place October 10-11 in New Jersey (and you thought YOU were old!). -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 01:59:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3T5xBr02897; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 01:59:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 01:59:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030428225119.048c7f68@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 22:59:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Admin query In-Reply-To: <3EADFE6C.B100AC3@tapehissrecordings.com> References: <20021126171041.74945.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> <02e001c30dd3$904a6100$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:24 PM 4/28/2003, Scott Carr wrote: >Yes, it's a sensible request, but the one person who could change a >simple listserv configuration file thinks doing so is unhip and enables >morons. After all, Yahoo does this, and we all know that the unwashed >have ruined the internet by trying to make it too EASY. ok losers, here's the deal. How much did it cost you to join this list? $0 How much have you donated so far to keeping the site going? $0 How much labor have you volunteered to help out? a grand total of 0 hours What a community. For me to be a part of Looper's Delight has cost me over $32,000. I've spent six and a half years of daily effort to keep it going. Both of those numbers are going up, and I'll probably never see that money again. When the balance between your contribution and my contribution to this community starts to get more equal, I'll start caring about what you have to say. In the mean time, shut the fuck up. Nobody wants to hear your whining. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 02:24:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3T6OGZ09514; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 02:24:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 02:24:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 02:20:30 -0400 Subject: Thurs. May 1- Oranje at the Milky Way From: Dan Soltzberg To: Friends of experimental music Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3134427630_1427658_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3134427630_1427658_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit A last-minute show-- Oranje Thursday May 1 10 pm at the Milky Way, Jamaica Plain Bass loop music and lyric channeling, with special guest Will Buchanan on drums. Hurrah! The Milky Way Lounge and Lanes 403-405 Centre St. Jamaica Plain, MA (617) 524-3740 -- ghost 7/ Oranje http://envelopeproductions.com d.ans@rcn.com --MS_Mac_OE_3134427630_1427658_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Thurs. May 1- Oranje at the Milky Way A last-minute show--

Oranje

Thursday May 1

10 pm at the Milky Way, Jamaica Plain

Bass loop music and lyric channeling, with special guest Will Buchanan on d= rums.


Hurrah!



The Milky Way Lounge and Lanes

403-405 Centre St. Jamaica Plain, MA

(617) 524-3740


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 --MS_Mac_OE_3134427630_1427658_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 03:00:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3T6xao20965; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 02:59:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 02:59:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030429065905.5606.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 23:59:05 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: "Shut the fuck up.", he explained. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030428225119.048c7f68@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com LMAO!!! There once was a looper named Flint Well known for his irritable bent Tho his archives was mighty And his web-site quite tidy No one would give him a cent ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 04:08:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3T878h09255; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 04:07:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 04:07:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005401c30e26$11d936e0$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <31E82CFE-79DC-11D7-B693-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Tubes versus Modeling Caged Death Match Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 09:05:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>Maybe a few get close, maybe some sound better in some ways. Nothing is *exact* as even batches of tubes vary from one to another.<<< Now that'll be the next step - downloadable plugins for different types of tubes - Ruby, Groovetubes, Sovtek etc... it'd be even better if some of the software was microphonic and squealed like mad... pot luck on your downloads... ;o) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 04:43:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3T8gfM19297; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 04:42:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 04:42:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014301c30e2b$3b039920$bf08fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <20021126171041.74945.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> <02e001c30dd3$904a6100$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030428225119.048c7f68@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Time to put up or $hut up, guy$. Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 02:42:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "In the mean time, shut the fuck up. Nobody wants to hear your whining." Time to put up or shut up, guys. Break out the ducets. Gimmie your Paypal (or whatever) address, Kim. I'll throw down what I can considering I still owe Uncle Sam $1012 and am selling my Ampeg SVT to pay him off and moving to NYC in September where the rent is steep and the competition is ruthless . (Nobody's fault but my own. Bad financial planning. I'm not a crack whore!) I challenge you comfortable middle class folk (who, as our survey showed, comprise much of this list) to throw down as well. Buy Kim a case of beer and a bag of chips. My answers: "How much did it cost you to join this list?" Well, I did buy an EDP the day I joined the list for $700, and a LoopIV upgrade for $100. Some of that goes to Kim, right? I've certainly gotten some damn fine tech support for it in the last three months. Worth every penny of perceived overpriced-ness of the hardware. "How much have you donated so far to keeping the site going?" $0. I'll try and make amends as far as I can go at this time. "How much labor have you volunteered to help out?" Well, I don't filter any of the posts. I read all of them, unless it's the 103rd one in a thread about Ernie Ball vs. Morely volume pedals. I try to be helpful to the community by answering questions I can, and sharing how I use the EDP, which I think is different from most people on the list. I try to ask intelligent questions, related to looping. I try to stay on topic, and not contribute to OT threads on-list. Although, occasionally I stray into the sin of tube bass amp banter and sampler propaganda. I'm a sinner, Lord. Help me to stay on the path of the righteous looper. -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 05:20:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3T9K5p31601; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 05:20:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 05:20:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <15a.1eb1b368.2bdf9d9b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 05:19:23 EDT Subject: Re: Tubes versus Modeling Caged Death Match To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > ...but you can 'simulate' being a clown by dressing like one, which I think > is a more analogous analogy than the simulating dressing like a > clown. > Steve > www.steve-lawson.co.uk perhaps worth keeping in mind that our Mr. Lawson was thus described in a recent on-line review. "Geddy Lee with Eddie Izzard's dress sense" :-) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 05:57:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3T9uMd06107; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 05:56:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 05:56:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003301c30e35$8911b340$0100a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Tubes versus Modeling Caged Death Match Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:55:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 02:06:AM Subject: Re: Tubes versus Modeling Caged Death Match > > > My guess is companies like Line6 mostly hedge the bet that the dozen or > > so amp or guitar models they give you for $400 are "good enough" as > > most people don't have 12 tube amps > > Mark > > > i do :-) > s > (now watching: 'shakes the clown') Love the opening bit with Carol Brady, eh? [nudge, nudge, wink wink] Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Other - Quasi-daily Cartoon http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 06:11:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3TAAoc09807; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 06:10:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 06:10:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005201c30e37$863f6e80$0100a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <20021126171041.74945.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> <02e001c30dd3$904a6100$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> <3EADFE6C.B100AC3@tapehissrecordings.com> <3EAE032E.8AFFF253@ubuibi.org> Subject: Re: Admin query Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 11:10:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would recommend that you do as I do, and utilize a killfile process instead of just something that deletes or blocks from the client end. Using a killfile on your host - this is a server thing, so aol users are a bit sol in this one - does the following for you: 1. You don't have to wait for all that spam to be sent to the mail client/spam handler on your machine, as it never gets sent to you. 2. The spam-in-question gets bounced back to the host that sent it to your server. This in many cases alerts the sending host to the spamming activity, which in many cases, believe it or not, actually results in the account being cancelled. Spam is forbidden stuff in any legitimate Terms and Conditions of Usage, and is usually enforced by webmasters/abuse handlers (who, unlike politicians, actually do something about it, and know what they're doing about spam). 3. If you maintain a killfile, and it includes, say, the notorious spammer host kornet.net, nothing from kornet.net comes to you. Quite simple. I would also say at this time that simply deleting spam at the client end does NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM, but rather does the email equivalent of "if I can't see it, it isn't a problem". This is similar to thinking that, because the Nazis are only invading Poland, that it won't become a problem in the USA. And we know how well THAT thinking worked. Just my two cents. Okay, more than that. :) Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Other - Quasi-daily Cartoon http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! "das" put forth: > as i wrote before that i too am unhappy with the arrangment > and did write to the admin, just recieved this reply; > > no, I won't clutter the list up with that nonsense. Learn to use the mail > filter functions in your email client. > kim > > i've written him back that i do not understand how having a subject header adds > clutter, for me having a header would help with spam riddance. > > hmmmmmm ????? > > -das > ubuibi.org > > > > Scott Carr wrote: > > > Yes, it's a sensible request, but the one person who could change a > > simple listserv configuration file thinks doing so is unhip and enables > > morons. After all, Yahoo does this, and we all know that the unwashed > > have ruined the internet by trying to make it too EASY. > > > > Really it's the only thing I don't like about this list. The signal to > > noise ratio is fairly low, people are generally kind and helpful, trolls > > are shown the door fairly quickly, and there is lots of information > > passed around about all things looping related. > > > > I know fully well how to use mail filters and do use them for some > > purposes, but I prefer for all of my music related e-mail to go to my > > inbox. As my account gets more and more spam e-mails that have subject > > lines that resemble some of the subject lines for this list it becomes > > increasingly difficult to sort out threads. > > > > So thank you for bringing this up. You shouldn't have to appologize for > > revisiting old ground here when it is a persistant problem that annoys > > more than a few subscribers. > > > > Scott > > > > Paul Marshall wrote: > > > > > > Hi Loopers > > > > > > I am regularly unsubscribed by the from the list because I bounce mails that > > > I believe to be spam. I use a prog called Mailwasher. I receive maybe 100 > > > spam messages a day and I check them at the server to accept or bounce. > > > > > > Usually I can tell which are LD posts because it says so in the TO column. > > > However when there is a post where LD is in the CC or one of a list of > > > recipients then it displays an unrecognisable e-mail addy and I bounce it > > > believing it to be someone wanting to enlarge my breasts or something :). > > > LOL > > > > > > I scan my mails carefully before deleting but the volume of traffic, the > > > variety of subject headers and number of subscribers here means that posts > > > can and do get deleted in error. I was unsubscribed again tonight when I > > > bounced the post from Jeff Lomas with the Subject of 'Accidental performance > > > tomorrow' where LD was part of a list of addressees. Mailwasher showed the > > > first addressee only and I bounced it. I don't want to have to open every > > > mail to check obviously. > > > > > > Ok so I know this is a limitation of Mailwasher but is anyone else having > > > this difficulty. All of the other fora I participate in to varying degrees > > > have some sort of a header to identify [Loopers-delight] kind of thing. I > > > understand that this isn't a yahoo group and different approaches apply. > > > > > > Anyone have a workaround or a best way? > > > > > > I'm still ruminating on the percussionist loopers thread, thanks to all for > > > the replies, I'll post again tomorrow. Love the forum guys. Cheers. > > > Thanks Kim > > > > > > Paul > > > ---------------------- > > > Paul Marshall > > > Portfolio Sound Artist > > > http://www.powerhaus.net > > > http://www.drumdojo.com > > > http://www.differentdrums.co.uk > > > NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation > > > www.dacapo.co.uk > > > **Drumdojo Recommended Reading For April 2003** > > > Indigenous Irish Percussion > > > http://www.drumdojo.com/world/ireland/ > > > > -- > > ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% > > Visit the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot Buttered Elves, & Sunshine > > > > http://www.tapehissrecordings.com > > > > and our sites at the world's largest online cut-out bin > > > > http://mp3.com/hotbutteredelves > > http://mp3.com/hebephrenica > > http://mp3.com/sunshineallthetime > > > > ....and for a whole new kind of music.... > > http://www.tapegerm.com > > ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 07:25:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3TBNO024908; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 07:23:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 07:23:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 07:27:03 -0400 From: Legion@helpwantedproductions.com Subject: Want to raise $$ Buy a LD CD! To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-id: <3EAE6187.7919B0B9@helpwantedproductions.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok, it's been a while since I flogged the Looper's Delight CD#1 but now's a good as time as any. For those who don't know, Looper's Delight CD#1 was the first CD put about by members of this list. it's quite varied ranging from the beautifully sublime to the silly and playful and everything in between. It's actually pretty damn good which is why i still carry it in our catalog. The original plan was that proceeds of this go towards the Looper's Delight and when the initial run sold out I cut Kim a check. We've had only a trickle of orders since then but in the every-bit-helps idea I'll gladly cut a bigger check if we scrape together more sales. The Cd is now available for only $10 in the US $11 anywhere else in the world. That includes postage. So, make your mark, get some great music, and support LD all at the same time. that's a win/win/win. (win win win Loop loop...) We can accept paypal or checks or MO payable to Help Wanted Productions. here's more info: Ordering and payment info: http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/catalog.htm CD info: http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/ldcd1.htm Any questions? Send them on! __________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 08:34:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3TCY7j04466; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 08:34:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 08:34:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Time to put up or $hut up, guy$. Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 08:33:29 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c30e4b$8a2e44d0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <014301c30e2b$3b039920$bf08fc0c@amd> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h3TCXUB04404 Resent-Message-ID: <62uC4C.A.FFB.bEnr-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Its real easy to contribute if you have your paypal account setup just go to the main LD page http://www.loopers-delight.com/ and click on the paypal button and follow the bouncing ball -----Original Message----- From: Jesse Ray Lucas [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 4:42 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Time to put up or $hut up, guy$. "In the mean time, shut the fuck up. Nobody wants to hear your whining." Time to put up or shut up, guys. Break out the ducets. Gimmie your Paypal (or whatever) address, Kim. I'll throw down what I can considering I still owe Uncle Sam $1012 and am selling my Ampeg SVT to pay him off and moving to NYC in September where the rent is steep and the competition is ruthless . (Nobody's fault but my own. Bad financial planning. I'm not a crack whore!) I challenge you comfortable middle class folk (who, as our survey showed, comprise much of this list) to throw down as well. Buy Kim a case of beer and a bag of chips. My answers: "How much did it cost you to join this list?" Well, I did buy an EDP the day I joined the list for $700, and a LoopIV upgrade for $100. Some of that goes to Kim, right? I've certainly gotten some damn fine tech support for it in the last three months. Worth every penny of perceived overpriced-ness of the hardware. "How much have you donated so far to keeping the site going?" $0. I'll try and make amends as far as I can go at this time. "How much labor have you volunteered to help out?" Well, I don't filter any of the posts. I read all of them, unless it's the 103rd one in a thread about Ernie Ball vs. Morely volume pedals. I try to be helpful to the community by answering questions I can, and sharing how I use the EDP, which I think is different from most people on the list. I try to ask intelligent questions, related to looping. I try to stay on topic, and not contribute to OT threads on-list. Although, occasionally I stray into the sin of tube bass amp banter and sampler propaganda. I'm a sinner, Lord. Help me to stay on the path of the righteous looper. -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 09:44:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3TDhTI15412; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 09:43:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 09:43:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 09:42:52 -0400 From: Paulzric@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Admin query MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <56888F84.3C8D1D1E.007D6382@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > In the mean time, shut the fuck up. Nobody wants to hear > your whining. YEAH! (arms folded, 7 foot tall, bulging black suit) I'd contribute. I'd pay...I dunno...$5.00 a year. There are, what, 6,000 members. That'd pay Kim back. I think it's a grand idea. Or better yet...(this reminds me a little of Lord of the Flies) how about all the cool geeks setting up their own looper's page and compete with this page and see how well fed you are at the end of the night. It's a big, dark, scary forest out there, boys. Strike out on yer own and watch out for the caniballs. Sort of similar to what White wrote in The Once and Future King: "like likes like." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 10:31:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3TEV2723157; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:31:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:31:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <518A084E-7991-11D7-B5D7-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> References: <518A084E-7991-11D7-B5D7-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 09:30:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: Tubes versus Modeling Caged Death Match Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ok, last nite i finally decided to rehook up all my "guitar stuff" sans my zoom 9150 tube preamp. i've been debating going "all digital" for some time, ie: simplifying & maybe scaling back my effects. well, i can say, i wasn't too thrilled w/ the sound. yes it is clean sounding & no noise, but seemed a little "lifeless/stale/digital" etc (you know all the classic stereotypes). i will probably keep it that way for a few more days, but i have a feeling i'll rehook up the tube preamp and not get rid of it like i debated. so i take back everything i said yesterday. i like digital modeling, and it's a useful tool, but i doubt i could go "all digital" for my main sounds. s--- -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 11:07:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3TF32627602; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 11:03:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 11:03:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.28.97] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Lawson versus LaFosse Caged Death Match Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:02:21 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Apr 2003 15:02:21.0721 (UTC) FILETIME=[55E4C090:01C30E60] Resent-Message-ID: <6EZeJD.A.luG.EQpr-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Clowns and dancing? Perhaps we have missed the point. Mr LaFosse's much heralded flashy footwork is easily on par with the celebrated choreography of Jagger, Steven Tyler, or even Beck...and much better than most hip-hop MCs. It is most likely due to his late 70s disco influences (I strongly suggest a re-listen to Andre's wicked, glitch-laden remake of "Ring My Bell"). As for Steve, I was always very curious as to the influence of his wardrobe. Last week my two year old daughter enlightened upon this issue. As she sat watching Sesame Street, she suddenly yelled out, "Look Daddy...Steve Lawson!". I turned to the TV set, and lo and behold, there, in glorious color, was Cookie Monster wearing Steve's jacket. So how does this all tie into looping? Well, as an experiment I dug out my own furry jacket ( a leftover from a Halloween party I attended as Phyllis Diller), put it on and commenced looping. To my amazement, the loops were richer, more dynamic, and seamless. I rose from my stool and started shuffling around in an ersatz-LaFosse movement....the sonic tapestries began to unfold before my ears! My JamMan even developed an undo function! I recently contacted Line6 about the possibilty of developing a Dance Modeler which could be plugged into the DL4's expression pedal jack. They seemed interested, but balked a bit at MIDI control of the choreography. Max _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 11:36:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3TFZdX31851; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 11:35:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 11:35:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030429153406.62812.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 08:34:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: RE: Bill Walker's amp modeler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030428.142742.16981.230414@webmail5.nyc.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <2bgVqB.A.AuH.vtpr-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Weg wrote: > Anyway I do the same, I run my GNX3 > through a pair of Ampeg Jets and it screams. I can get feedback on some of the > settings too which I was never successfull at before with the Pod! For me, at least some of the "feel" thing with my DG Stomp has to do with the volume involved. Sure, it's not quite like my Marshall, but if I have it pumping through a monitor wedge, as loud as an amp next to me would be, the behavior is very "amp like". At home in the studio, it doesn't quite have the same vibe, even though it's going through a similar signal chain (into a mixing console, through a solid state power amp, into set of full range speakers). It's probably the volume, 'cause I don't get that loud at home. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 11:42:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3TFfpD00383; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 11:41:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 11:41:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: Admin query Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:39:26 -0500 Message-ID: <027201c30e65$84500bb0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <038b01c30de2$f9a70b30$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com your question was fine. don't withdraw... i was only bothered by the subsequent demands by others to change ld. this stuff seems to cycle around regularly, with 100% feedback... > > Sorry. > > I was unsubscribed for a period a while back. I've > obviously revisited old ground here. > > Sorry if I'm speaking inappropriately. > > Paul ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 11:47:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3TFkeT00958; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 11:46:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 11:46:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EAE9E42.9080907@cabq.gov> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 09:46:10 -0600 From: Jason Fink User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Want to raise $$ Buy a LD T Shirt References: <200304291537.h3TFbbu32370@hemlock.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <200304291537.h3TFbbu32370@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <74oruD.A.EO.J5pr-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am expecting a printed shirt sample sometime this week, then I will start taking orders! Stay tuned... -jas - jas Albuquerque From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 11:53:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3TFqNr01741; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 11:52:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 11:52:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 08:51:53 -0700 Subject: Re: Tubes versus Modeling Caged Death Match Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <7F942C38-7A5A-11D7-BC5E-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, April 28, 2003, at 06:06 PM, wrote: > > i do :-) > s > (now watching: 'shakes the clown') Hee hee, I totally thought of you when I said, "MOST people don't have 12 Tube amps" Where the hell do you keep them all?! Re: Shakes the Clown. For sure Bobcat's best work. Amazing film. It's the Citizen Kane of Alcoholic Clown movies. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 12:25:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3TGOd307569; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 12:24:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 12:24:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 17:27:34 +0100 Subject: Gary hall From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3EADFE6C.B100AC3@tapehissrecordings.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Does anyone know Gary Hall's (of lexicon pcm-42 fame) email address? If u could let me know that would be great cheers geoff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 12:33:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3TGWwJ08459; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 12:32:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 12:32:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1051633938-2636-0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 09:32:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Raül Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: free improv. in a band situation Reply-To: rauboto@ad-free.info X-Originating-Ip: [80.58.38.107] Message-Id: <20030429163218.6A0B64172@sitemail.everyone.net> Resent-Message-ID: <-qT0AC.A.VDC.Ukqr-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1051633938-2636-0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi folks! Since i know some of you are into live improv.,=20 how do you deal with improvisation if you are the member of the group and not a solo performer? I remember a funny tale i'd read in some Cage book when he refused to lead = a free jazz band because all they played all the time with the same dynamic= s. He seemed not to like free improv. saying the subconscious will led your= mind. Though in another writting (which i don't remember where) he said he= 'd found an interesting way to deal with it. May anybody point me to the or= iginal source? Cheers, Ra=C3=BCl _____________________________________________________________ fighting for independence? - incorporate online, simple and inexpensive: http://www.ad-free.info/incorporatestart.htm hate online advertising? we answer the call: http://www.ad-free-mall.biz/shop/company/aboutus.aspx _____________________________________________________________ if somebody used our e-mail system for spamming, please follow our anti-spa= m policy here: http://www.ad-free-mall.biz/shop/company/spaminfo.aspx ------------=_1051633938-2636-0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Received: from hemlock.violacea.com (hemlock.superb.net [207.228.238.9]) by imta17.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA6144BE0B for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:42:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3SKgPp14542; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:42:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:42:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <15.10053fc5.2bdeec07@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:41:43 EDT Subject: Re: Percussion Looping: MICING and MONITORING & more To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_15.10053fc5.2bdeec07_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_15.10053fc5.2bdeec07_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/27/03 11:04:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes: > They are also low enough profile that they don't look like big clunky > headphones. > heaven forbid and muss up that pretty hair!.....ricky, i know you are bz but rough ballpark date of y2k3, PLEASE (?).....and yes, i would slither across the u s of a on my belly to see KIM play!.....:)michael --part1_15.10053fc5.2bdeec07_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 4/27/0= 3 11:04:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes:


They are also low enough profil= e that they don't look like big clunky
headphones.


heaven forbid and muss up that pretty hair!.....ricky, i know you are bz but= rough ballpark date of y2k3, PLEASE (?).....and yes, i would slither across= the u s of a on my belly to see KIM play!.....:)michael --part1_15.10053fc5.2bdeec07_boundary-- ------------=_1051633938-2636-0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 12:56:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3TGtWJ10965; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 12:55:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 12:55:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Want to raise $$ Buy a LD T Shirt Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 09:54:37 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3EAE9E42.9080907@cabq.gov> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Any possibility that we could put, "Nobody wants to hear your whining" on the back? Curious in San Diego, Gary -----Original Message----- From: Jason Fink [mailto:jfink@cabq.gov] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 8:46 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Want to raise $$ Buy a LD T Shirt I am expecting a printed shirt sample sometime this week, then I will start taking orders! Stay tuned... -jas - jas Albuquerque From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 13:14:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3THDln14750; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:13:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:13:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 18:15:36 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Re: Admin query In-Reply-To: <3EADAF93.66782290@ubuibi.org> References: <20021126171041.74945.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> <02e001c30dd3$904a6100$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: <0c3841413171d43PCOW057M@blueyonder.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h3THDHB14678 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I can understand this, but my email software - Eudora Pro - only has a limited window width for the mailboxes. Currently I get most of the subject which means its easier to read/delete messages without having to go into each one. I guess that, whilst understanding your point, I'm making a bid to keep it how it is. Ian. At 23:47 28/04/03 , you wrote: >oh, i know i throw a lot of the loopers messages away because there is no >header. >would admin PLEASE start to add [Loopers-delight] > >Paul Marshall wrote: > >> Hi Loopers >> >>  All of the other fora I participate in to varying degrees >> have some sort of a header to identify [Loopers-delight] kind of thing.  I >> understand that this isn't a yahoo group and different approaches apply. >> >> Anyone have a workaround or a best way? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 13:23:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3THMt115800; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:22:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:22:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EAEB4BF.5080707@quik.com> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:22:07 -0700 From: dgoat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Quasi-Gig Alert (Eastern Iowa) References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030428223045.0298aec0@mail.gamutstudio.com> In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030428223045.0298aec0@mail.gamutstudio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <14mfOC.A.QyD._Srr-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jon Southwood wrote: > Anyway, this coming Friday and Sunday nights I'll be performing with the > largest looper's rig I've ever been involved with: a 60+ member choir. > We'll be performing 3 pieces I wrote for the group, all of which feature > looping in various configurations (though all loops, mangled or > otherwise, will be performed manually by the choir...old world looping > technology at work). Wow, sounds great! Any chance of a recording of the concert being made available? D.G. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 13:25:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3THOWJ16081; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:24:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:24:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 18:27:19 +0100 Subject: Loop trio? From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3EADFE6C.B100AC3@tapehissrecordings.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just checking Rick walkers site again, were there ever any MP3s of the loop trio tour? of Lawson/Lafosse/Walker setup? cheers Geoff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 13:52:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3THpKV18897; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:51:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:51:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0c3841413171d43PCOW057M@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <20021126171041.74945.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> <02e001c30dd3$904a6100$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> <0c3841413171d43PCOW057M@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:47:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Admin query Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:15 PM +0100 4/29/03, Ian Popperwell wrote: >Eudora Pro - only has a limited window width for the mailboxes. >Currently I get most of the subject which means its easier to >read/delete messages without having to go into each one.... I'm >making a bid to keep it how it is. I'm also using Eudora, and I agree with Ian (and with Kim). The space devoted to prepending [Loopers-delight] would reduce the available subject line. I have no problem filtering messages. My filter for LD is this: Match: Incoming, Outgoing, Manual Header: <> contains Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Actions: Transfer To *Loopers delight -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 13:53:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3THqLF18997; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:52:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:52:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030429175149.98362.qmail@web11404.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:51:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rich R." Subject: Re: Want to raise $$ Buy a LD T Shirt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3EAE9E42.9080907@cabq.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This, to me, is the most agreeable way to support LD at the moment. Although I wish I could do more (that goes for perhaps every aspect of my life!). Anyway, like I said before, sign me up for one of these shirts! --- Jason Fink wrote: > I am expecting a printed shirt sample sometime this > week, > then I will start taking orders! Stay tuned... > > -jas > > - > jas > Albuquerque > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 13:54:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3THrmG19236; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:53:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:53:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Looping9string@aol.com Message-ID: <7a.3e902cf8.2be015fb@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:52:59 EDT Subject: Re: free improv. in a band situation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7a.3e902cf8.2be015fb_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_7a.3e902cf8.2be015fb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I do free improv and looping in 3 situations currently... What we practice and learn is how to visually communicate, we practice signals, choose one syllable words as cues, and figure out how to get OUT of a train wreck if it happens! And / or we rehearse making train wrecks musical... I'll tell you, improvising for 4 hour shows often throughout the last year has definitely made me alert if nothing else! Plus I think its a blast! The difficulty is that here in Montana there does not seem to be a huge audience for it! The best thing I could tell you is talking about what you want to happen with the other musicians ... makes it happen! If you want dynamics ... stress dynamics in a conversation ... tell everyone your thoughts, even if its during the tune! It will happen that way! I hope my babbling helped at least a little bit... Regards, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.9andZen.com www.BEEbasses.com --part1_7a.3e902cf8.2be015fb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I do free improv and looping in 3 situations currently= ...

What we practice and learn is how to visually communicate, we practice signa= ls, choose one syllable words as cues, and figure out how to get OUT of a tr= ain wreck if it happens!

And / or we rehearse making train wrecks musical...

I'll tell you, improvising for 4 hour shows often throughout the last year h= as definitely made me alert if nothing else! Plus I think its a blast!

The difficulty is that here in Montana there does not seem to be a huge audi= ence for it!

The best thing I could tell you is talking about what you want to happen wit= h the other musicians ... makes it happen!

If you want dynamics ... stress dynamics in a conversation ... tell everyone= your thoughts, even if its during the tune! It will happen that way!

I hope my babbling helped at least a little bit...

Regards,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.9andZen.com
www.BEEbasses.com --part1_7a.3e902cf8.2be015fb_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 14:06:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3TI5L521623; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 14:05:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 14:05:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030429180453.93278.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 11:04:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Admin query To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0c3841413171d43PCOW057M@blueyonder.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Another way to screen your ld mail that doesn't involve filters or invoking the Wrath of Kim is to get a free address (Yahoo, Hotmail, et al) and use it *only* for ld mail. That's what I (originally) did with this address, but of course, I added a little here and a little there, so now it's more accurately my 'music-related' address, since I use it for several other lists... -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 14:45:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3TIj7Y25951; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 14:45:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 14:45:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030429184422.7435.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 11:44:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: RE: Want to raise $$ Buy a LD T Shirt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I honestly like that idea!! --- Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > Any possibility that we could put, "Nobody wants to hear your whining" on > the back? > Curious in San Diego, > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Fink [mailto:jfink@cabq.gov] > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 8:46 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Want to raise $$ Buy a LD T Shirt > > > I am expecting a printed shirt sample sometime this week, > then I will start taking orders! Stay tuned... > > -jas > > - > jas > Albuquerque > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 14:49:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3TImom26409; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 14:48:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 14:48:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <019301c30e7f$b8d66680$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <20030429184422.7435.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Want to raise $$ Buy a LD T Shirt Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 12:47:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com so do i. ill buy 4. no joke! jg betteer than 100% feedback even. ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg House To: Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 12:44 PM Subject: RE: Want to raise $$ Buy a LD T Shirt > I honestly like that idea!! > > --- Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > > Any possibility that we could put, "Nobody wants to hear your whining" on > > the back? > > Curious in San Diego, > > Gary > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jason Fink [mailto:jfink@cabq.gov] > > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 8:46 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Want to raise $$ Buy a LD T Shirt > > > > > > I am expecting a printed shirt sample sometime this week, > > then I will start taking orders! Stay tuned... > > > > -jas > > > > - > > jas > > Albuquerque > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 15:44:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3TJhNM01228; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:43:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:43:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <124.2145a8f8.2be02f26@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:40:22 EDT Subject: Re: Quasi-Gig Alert (Eastern Iowa) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jon.....any chance that this will be recorded?.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 16:17:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3TKGGI05619; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:16:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:16:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <1df.7d654a3.2be03745@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:15:01 EDT Subject: Re: free improv. in a band situation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 4/29/03 9:33:19 AM, rauboto@ad-free.info writes: << I remember a funny tale i'd read in some Cage book when he refused to lead a free jazz band because all they played all the time with the same dynamics. He seemed not to like free improv. saying the subconscious will led your mind. Though in another writting (which i don't remember where) he said he'd found an interesting way to deal with it. May anybody point me to the original source? >> Actually that sounds like an interview with Gavin Bryars I read in some music magazine. Or maybe it was liner notes to one of his records. BobC The Thumb Piano Project www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 17:37:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3TLbGn16826; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 17:37:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 17:37:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dylan DeAnda" To: Subject: EFC-7 Button replacement Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 17:40:19 -0400 Organization: Loudcloud, Inc. Message-ID: <007901c30e97$ee6ac0d0$9940a8c0@dyland> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, My foot pedal has been getting a little jenky (Technical term) and it's responsiveness is intermittent. I'd like to replace the button, I've read Kim's docs on the customizing the EFC, but didn't see any references to replacement of buttons. Anyone have any recommendations/tips on replacing the buttons in the EFC-7? Thanks for the info, D Dylan DeAnda EDS Automated Operations + Order now, supplies are limited! + dylan@loudcloud.com + 703-742-1133 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 17:48:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3TLleo18771; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 17:47:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 17:47:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bb01c30e98$e0ef41a0$4ec4590c@u73x0> From: "Cino" To: , References: <007901c30e97$ee6ac0d0$9940a8c0@dyland> Subject: Re: EFC-7 Button replacement Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 17:46:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Anyone have any recommendations/tips on replacing the > buttons in the EFC-7? If you want to replace with the original buttons, they're available from Mouser Electronics www.mouser.com part # 10PA005 Otherwise, search the archives for other button recommendations. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 18:03:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3TM2rU22568; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 18:02:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 18:02:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <067101c30ecd$3f8d3850$89303b41@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: Subject: Re: Want to raise $$ Buy a LD T Shirt Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 05:01:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <8fSjDC.A.ifF.yZvr-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Any possibility that we could put, "Nobody wants to hear your whining" on the back?" ha ha ha...that would be awesome...seriously. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 18:15:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3TME9n24191; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 18:14:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 18:14:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 17:13:14 -0500 Subject: Re: Want to raise $$ Buy a LD T Shirt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Michael Firman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <067101c30ecd$3f8d3850$89303b41@g0wn7> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually it should be something like: "Nobody wants to hear your whining, whining, whining, whining, whining.........." On Tuesday, April 29, 2003, at 11:01 PM, jimfowler wrote: > "Any possibility that we could put, "Nobody wants to hear your > whining" on > the back?" > > ha ha ha...that would be awesome...seriously. > > -jim > > > > -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 18:37:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3TMaF927093; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 18:36:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 18:36:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:35:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: PSP42 versus PCM42 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm working on a review of the PSP42 software emulator of the PCM42. I think it's great, and it is faithful to the original in most ways, but there seem to be a few behavioral differences. Since I don't have a PCM42 for comparison (though I once worked with one for an extended period) I wonder if there's anyone who'd like to help with some fact checking. I'm in Los Angeles, so if some PCM42 owner in the area would like to come over (or even to loan me a unit for a day) I'd be grateful. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 18:48:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3TMlKa28588; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 18:47:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 18:47:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:45:16 -0700 Subject: Re: PSP42 versus PCM42 From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com damn dude,too bad i'm up here in the city and yer down there in lala land. i would gladly lend one o' mine to ya...lets figure this out. stab > I'm working on a review of the PSP42 software emulator of the PCM42. > I think it's great, and it is faithful to the original in most ways, > but there seem to be a few behavioral differences. Since I don't have > a PCM42 for comparison (though I once worked with one for an extended > period) I wonder if there's anyone who'd like to help with some fact > checking. > > I'm in Los Angeles, so if some PCM42 owner in the area would like to > come over (or even to loan me a unit for a day) I'd be grateful. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 19:25:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3TNOcj01082; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 19:24:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 19:24:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:23:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: PSP42 versus PCM42 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1160463852==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: <7PKqWB.A.SQ.Wmwr-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1160463852==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 3:45 PM -0700 4/29/03, wrote: >damn dude,too bad i'm up here in the city and yer down there in lala land. i >would gladly lend one o' mine to ya...lets figure this out. We may be able to get my questions answered right here. I worked with the 42 regularly back in "the day" (1983-85), but haven't had one since. My questions are about certain features of the signal path and about the way the delay tap buttons work. Specifically: When the unit is in Repeat mode, are you able to change the delay tap? If so, what happens to the material in the loop as you press the Inc/Dec buttons? If the feedback level is set to produce multiple echoes, and you put the unit in Repeat mode, is the recycling audio captured into the loop, or just the incoming audio without the echoes? If the Output Mix pot is set to the Input position and you put the unit into Repeat mode, what happens? If the Output Mix pot set in the Delay position and you capture a loop, and you then turn the pot to the Input position, what happens? If you have already caputured audio into a loop, and the feedback pot is set for multiple echoes, what happens when you take the unit out of Repeat mode? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1160463852==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: PSP42 versus PCM42
At 3:45 PM -0700 4/29/03, <stanitarium@earthlink.net> wrote:
damn dude,too bad i'm up here in the city and yer down there in lala land. i
would gladly lend one o' mine to ya...lets figure this out.

We may be able to get my questions answered right here.

I worked with the 42 regularly back in "the day" (1983-85), but haven't had one since. My questions are about certain features of the signal path and about the way the delay tap buttons work. Specifically:

  • When the unit is in Repeat mode, are you able to change the delay tap? If so, what happens to the material in the loop as you press the Inc/Dec buttons?

  • If the feedback level is set to produce multiple echoes, and you put the unit in Repeat mode, is the recycling audio captured into the loop, or just the incoming audio without the echoes?

  • If the Output Mix pot is set to the Input position and you put the unit into Repeat mode, what happens?

  • If the Output Mix pot set in the Delay position and you capture a loop, and you then turn the pot to the Input position, what happens?

  • If you have already caputured audio into a loop, and the feedback pot is set for multiple echoes, what happens when you take the unit out of Repeat mode?
--

______________________________________________________________
Richard Zvonar, PhD      
(818) 788-2202                                 
http://www.zvonar.com
http://RZCybernetics.com
--============_-1160463852==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 19:34:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3TNXTO01969; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 19:33:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 19:33:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a601c30ea7$6bdbcc80$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: Loop trio? Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 00:31:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Just checking Rick walkers site again, > were there ever any MP3s of the loop trio tour? > of Lawson/Lafosse/Walker setup? > cheers > Geoff hi Geoff, some geezer bootlegged all the gigs, and I dunno if Rick has received copies of the minidiscs yet... they are out there somewhere... ;o) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 20:15:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3U0EqZ07339; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 20:14:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 20:14:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 20:14:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200304292014.AA247464156@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: e-mail change and archive question X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey, in my endless fight against spam, I created a new e-mail address for my mailing list subscriptions. This is it. Already unsubbed/subbed. One thing that would help gaurd against this e-mail address being deluged with spam is if the archives on the web pages could not show our e-mail addresses or cloak them in some usefull way that e-mail harvesting bots couldn't parse them. Having an e-mail address show up on a web page is basically a nice way of inviting spam. Don't wanna hastle Kim, but it would probably help us all out. At the very least please remove the mailto: tags from the archive... danke, Kevin -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- New From Unit Circle: Intonarumori - "Material" http://www.unitcircle.com/rekkids/releases/tUC075/ -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 20:19:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3U0HBY07632; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 20:17:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 20:17:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.144.36.162] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: free-improv situations Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 17:16:32 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Apr 2003 00:16:32.0682 (UTC) FILETIME=[C102C0A0:01C30EAD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Raul, I've done a LOT of looping in free-improv bands in the last few years. In most cases, it's been a fairly new group of musicians each time. Some things I've learned to do in this context: -Play my instrument (usually turntable) without effects more often -Back off a lot, allowing space for the others -Use the loops as interactive instruments with the group - occasionally sample other musicians with a microphone. -Use the loops as a source of subtlety, not the main musical process as I do with solo live stuff. -Exercise more control over volume & pitch. Rather than let the loop repeat and repeat I'll fade it in and out at different points. Another fun thing is to get 2 or more loops of different pitches and fade those in and out. -During loud sections where I can't compete, I'll often create loops with the loop volume turned all the way down (ie, creating them "blind), then fade them in to have a larger role when the other members move to a quieter section. -Sometimes throw away that really cool pattern I just created, since suddenly it doesn't fit with what everyone else is doing. Things I've learned NOT to do: -Start playing a rhythmic loop that has nothing to do with what everyone else is playing, turning up the volume louder and louder, trying to get them to conform. -Let the group grow too dependent on a loop - don't want to fall into a rut when it's time to move on to something else. -Try to be the entire band as much as you would for a solo show. I'm one of those out-numbered people in the SF bay area that plays "free-improv" but not "free-jazz". By the way, Sound/Shift Big Sur is coming up next month. (May 31st/June 1st.) It's a two day improvised (experimental?) music festival. Amidst the 90+ musicians on the bill are Max Valentino, Tom Heasley, Wobbly, David Nadal, Matt Pogue, Tom Dimuzio, Pablo St. Chaos, myself, and a few other loopers (not counting the people who listed "laptop" or "electronics") playing in constantly-changing groups with other improvisers. Check out www.paxrecordings.com/soundshiftbigsur.html for more info. It promises to be a great show! Matt Hi folks! Since i know some of you are into live improv., how do you deal with improvisation if you are the member of the group and not a solo performer? I remember a funny tale i'd read in some Cage book when he refused to lead a free jazz band because all they played all the time with the same dynamics. He seemed not to like free improv. saying the subconscious will led your mind. Though in another writting (which i don't remember where) he said he'd found an interesting way to deal with it. May anybody point me to the original source? Cheers, Raül _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 20:26:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3U0QBU09077; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 20:26:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 20:26:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <02ba01c30eae$d7addd20$7c63f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200304292325.h3TNPJ601161@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: No Whining T-shirt and other L.D. considerations Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 17:24:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a fun inside joke guys but we really need to take this community and these ways of making music to the outside world. the t-shirts are worn proudly at festivals and tours (all over Europe and the British Isles this summer, yeah!!!) and I strongly advise that we not increase the costs of the shirts just to put an 'in' joke on the t-shirt that nobody but people who have been reading the postings this week will even get. hows that for grumpy................LOL By the way, if anyone is privy to just how hard Kim has worked to make this site available to us and how much money he has put into it out of his own pocket they will be very forgiving when he gets a little spiny. I personally vote for letting him administer this site the way he wants to. I will even, controversially, suggest that we might consider making this a pay site. Considering the pleasure, knowledge, opportunities (hell, I booked my entire summer tour through this list) that L.D. provides, it would totally be worth it for me to pay for a subscription to it (and I probably make a quarter of what most people make on this website being a self employed wierd, 'fall between the classification cracks' artist. Kim, of course might not even be into this idea, but I think we should consider it to keep this wonderful place alive. God forbid that Kim should make up some of his financial losses or even, dare I say it, make a little money from all of his hard work. I would hate to loose this communal center because poor Kim gets burnt out on doing it. I love Loopers Delight. It is the first e-mail I read everytime I log on. yours, rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 21:07:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3U16ri13803; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 21:06:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 21:06:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 21:06:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200304292106.AA535560230@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: free-improv situations X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I've done tons and tons of live free improv looping gigs both solo and as part of groups. I only have one real piece of advice for free improv (loop-based or otherwise), LISTEN. It is the most insanely important thing for an improvising musician. The second most important thing is if you play in a group, make sure everyone else listens also. There is nothing sadder than four musicians going in four directions ignoring each other. There is nothing more interesting that the interplay of a group of musicians who are listening to each other and working together. Listening is important even when you are playing solo. Especially with looping where you can sit back a bit more. My big problem early on is that I was always inpatient and trying to move things along. When I learned to sit back and let things grow on their own, even if it meant I sat doing nothing for a few seconds, my performances got much better and were much better received. Kevin >Hi folks! > >Since i know some of you are into live improv., >how do you deal with improvisation >if you are the member of the group and not a solo performer? >I remember a funny tale i'd read in some Cage book when he refused to lead a >free jazz band because all they played all the time with the same dynamics. >He >seemed not to like free improv. saying the subconscious will led your mind. >Though in another writting (which i don't remember where) he said he'd found >an >interesting way to deal with it. May anybody point me to the original >source? > >Cheers, >Raül > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- New From Unit Circle: Intonarumori - "Material" http://www.unitcircle.com/rekkids/releases/tUC075/ -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 29 21:13:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3U1DFd14441; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 21:13:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 21:13:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EAF22F8.DEE9E6F@voicenet.com> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 21:12:25 -0400 From: charles cohen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: free improv. in a band situation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com other than just doing it, my best 'lessons' in free improv have come through my exposure to Pauline Oliveros's methods: http://www.deeplistening.org/training/retreat.html my take on her thing, in a nutshell: the higher the quality of your listening, the higher the quality of your playing -- **** What's Charles Up to? **** http://www.voicenet.com/~ccohen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 30 00:02:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3U41uN04740; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 00:01:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 00:01:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 23:56:59 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performances and VISUAL IMPROVISATION SYMPOSIUM 5.4.03 Cambridge, MA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I'll be taking part in what looks to be an impressive event devoted to visual improvisation. There will be talks and panel discussion in the afternoon, and performances in the evening. It will be my great pleasure to perform with James Coleman, theremin and Joe Monteiro, percussion -- working with James has always been a special treat, and I'm looking forward to my first set with Joe. VISUAL IMPROVISATION SYMPOSIUM Hannum Hall, YWCA of Cambridge 7 Temple Street ( next to Art Interactive ) Sun May 4th 2pm - 9pm Visual music, instruments, improvisation, theory and performance. http://www.911gallery.org/vis/ SPEAKERS: 2:00 pm - George Fifield (keynote) - cyberarts 2:15 pm -Teresa Marrin Nakra - history of visual music 2:45 pm - Dennis Miller - Combining Music and Images in Time-based Work 3:15 pm - Carol Goss - Not Still Art 3:45 pm - Benton-C Bainbridge - Try This At Home: Analog A/V Synthesis PANEL: 4:15 pm - Dana Moser (chair), Benton-C Bainbridge, Carol Goss, Dennis Miller, Teresa Marrin Nakra, Steina Vasulka VIDEO: 5:00 pm - Vis a Vis - Dennis Miller New work - Carol Goss Trilogy - Mash dissidence - skfl Selections - Peter Johnson PERFORMANCES: 7:00 pm - DrT, video with James Coleman, theremin and Joe Monteiro, percussion 7:30 pm - DJ Flack, laptop video & sound 7:45 pm - BopAnts, improvised sound and video 8:15 pm - Steina Vasulka, Violin Power 8:30 pm - Benton-C Bainbridge, solo video & sound improv 9:00 pm - Jason Lescalleet, tapeloops, with Benton Bainbridge and Walter Wright, video A Boston Cyberarts event. http://www.bostoncyberarts.org/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 30 01:14:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3U5EPJ13056; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 01:14:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 01:14:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: RE: Looping percussionists Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 01:10:27 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01c30ed6$d0963140$6401a8c0@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Word. Tonight I managed to get a 9/4 percussion loop going while synched to a 4/4 pattern and listening to the click. In front of people. I even had no intention of doing this, nor any idea how it happened, but there it was. Just keep smiling. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Wagner [mailto:jondrums@hotmail.com] > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 2:52 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Looping percussionists > > Another thing - after being a part of several looping festivals and > performances I have noticed one common theme. Many > performers at some point > make some mistake, and apologize to the audience for it - or > even stop the > song and start over. Nobody even knew they made a mistake, until the > apology. If you assume you did it on purpose, so will > everyone else. If > you make a lumpy loop - you did it on purpose and let > everyone marvel in > this new odd-time signature they never knew existed -smile- > > Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 30 01:25:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3U5OU813904; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 01:24:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 01:24:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 22:22:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, DrTVideo@egroups.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Video Performances and VISUAL IMPROVISATION SYMPOSIUM 5.4.03 Cambridge, MA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:56 PM -0400 4/29/03, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote: >I'll be taking part in what looks to be an impressive event devoted >to visual improvisation. Looks great! One of those times I wish I could be on two coasts at once. >4:15 pm - Dana Moser (chair) Hello to Dana for me if you think of it. I met him when I was at the Media Lab in '86. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 30 02:53:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3U6qdA22109; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 02:52:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 02:52:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c30ee5$04a02690$bf08fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <200304292325.h3TNPJ601161@hemlock.violacea.com> <02ba01c30eae$d7addd20$7c63f93f@global> Subject: EDP input/output discrepancy... Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 00:52:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is it normal to have to keep the Mix knob on the EDP at about one o'clock to keep the input level and output level equal? I know when you overdub the EDP cuts the signal by about 10% to prevent clipping, but I'm not overdubbing. Does it do this on the initial creation of the loop as well? Volume of the unit is set to 127, via MIDI. Feedback is 100%, via MIDI as well. Also, check out this WAV file graphic. http://www.neoprimitive.net/jlucas/tmp/wave.jpg This is from the output of the EDP. The first half is the input signal (distorted electric bass) being recorded, and the second half is the EDP's version of it. It's almost an identical replica, but inverted. Is this normal? And, if so, why? -J P.S. My server has been intermittent lately, so I hope it's up if/when you decide to check the graphic out. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 30 08:12:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3UCBUa19371; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:11:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:11:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030430070141.02a01a10@mail.gamutstudio.com> X-Sender: jon@gamutstudio.com@mail.gamutstudio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 07:09:56 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jon Southwood Subject: Re: Quasi-Gig Alert (Eastern Iowa) In-Reply-To: <124.2145a8f8.2be02f26@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael, Yep both concerts will be recorded. The guy who does the recording is notoriously bad at getting them in the hands of the choir in a timely manner, however. But, as soon as I have a recording of the concerts, I'll post the best performance of each piece. -Jon P.S. It was my hope to be able to record an arrangement of the first piece for guitars to submit for the CT-Where We At? project, but the past few weeks have been crazy with making final preparations for the concert (like writing a piano part for one of the pieces to help the choir find their pitches and conducting additional rehearsals for a small group performing the first of the pieces). Ah well... At 03:40 PM 4/29/03 -0400, you wrote: >jon.....any chance that this will be recorded?.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 30 10:57:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3UEuHJ06082; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 10:56:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 10:56:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Looping tools just posted at HarmonyCentral To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 10:56:42 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 04/30/2003 10:56:44 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <3XKgpB.A.MdB.lP-r-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Subject: KYMA System w/ Motormix and LCK Price: 4000 Age: 6 (months or year made) Condition: Mint Symbolic Sound Capybara 320 system (unexpanded) with current Kyma software, firewire interface, plus CM Motormix moving-fader control interface, and Green Tea Software\'s Looper Construction Kit, a suite of Kyma modules and presets dedicated to infinitely configurable realtime audio looping. 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Contact: David Coffin, 800-283-7252, x3518 Zip: 06470 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 30 11:24:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3UFNTl10098; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 11:23:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 11:23:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EAFE98A.7D4108E5@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 11:19:38 -0400 From: Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chalk X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Admin query References: <20021126171041.74945.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> <02e001c30dd3$904a6100$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2tvRxD.A.5cC.Sp-r-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use Netscape. My filter looks like this: if X-Loop contains Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com then move to folder "Loopers Delight" (Actually, it doesn't, but most of my lists have been changed to something like this. The way I figured it out was View->Headers->All and looked for a unique line. You can then add the left side via the "Advanced" button on the filter screen, and fill out the rest of the criteria as per usual.) Now, I realize this doesn't help in the "pre-clean" phase of any spam deletion software that you might have, but if there's any control you have over the email _before_ it gets to the pre-clean anti-spammer, that's the place to put it. -- I remain, :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 30 11:40:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3UFd2R11937; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 11:39:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 11:39:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 11:37:25 -0400 From: Paulzric@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Howie Day MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <02881B76.5EA5925F.007D6382@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't know a thing about this fella. Is he on the list? Apparently he uses a Boss looper (model eludes) and is highly praised in a recording 'zine (publication name evades), but his method is explicitly described as loop-based AND he's (fringe) mainstream. Thought you all'd like to (or already) know. Okay, I'm through (with) writing in parentheses. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 30 12:01:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3UG03c15190; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 12:00:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 12:00:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:59:23 -0700 Subject: Re: PSP42 versus PCM42 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I believe that Gary Hall himself did a very favorable review in Electronic Musician magazine. It might be in the EM site's archives. Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, April 29, 2003, at 03:45 PM, wrote: > damn dude,too bad i'm up here in the city and yer down there in lala > land. i > would gladly lend one o' mine to ya...lets figure this out. > stab > >> I'm working on a review of the PSP42 software emulator of the PCM42. >> I think it's great, and it is faithful to the original in most ways, >> but there seem to be a few behavioral differences. Since I don't have >> a PCM42 for comparison (though I once worked with one for an extended >> period) I wonder if there's anyone who'd like to help with some fact >> checking. >> >> I'm in Los Angeles, so if some PCM42 owner in the area would like to >> come over (or even to loan me a unit for a day) I'd be grateful. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 30 12:05:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3UG4WN15683; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 12:04:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 12:04:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 11:03:55 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: OT: amp modelers vs amp modelers??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com all this talk of amp modelers vs. tubes amps has me wondering: has anyone ever had a chance to test (A/B) the different digital amp modelers available?? (pod, j-station, behringer v-amp, digitech rp & genesis, korg pandora, plus any i'm missing... etc)?? was just curious. i have the digitech rp100, and it's decent, i've played a pod for about 10-15 min once, and wasn't too thrilled w/ it, but that may have been b/c i was testing it w/ a crappy (new) fender squire strat that was not a great guitar to play....just curious..... s---- -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 30 12:18:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3UGGLX16970; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 12:16:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 12:16:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3EAFE98A.7D4108E5@patriot.net> References: <20021126171041.74945.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> <02e001c30dd3$904a6100$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> <3EAFE98A.7D4108E5@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 09:11:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Admin query Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:19 AM -0400 4/30/03, Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chalk wrote: >I realize this doesn't help in the "pre-clean" phase of any spam >deletion software that you might have I'm using Spamfire for spam filtering. I don't recall ever having to "rescue" any messages from this list that were mistakenly intercepted. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 30 12:18:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3UGGLJ16968; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 12:16:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 12:16:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 09:13:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: PSP42 versus PCM42 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:59 AM -0700 4/30/03, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >I believe that Gary Hall himself did a very favorable review in >Electronic Musician magazine. It might be in the EM site's archives. Yes. He points out some differences in the Clock implementation, but not the things I've been noticing. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 30 12:28:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3UGQkS18210; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 12:26:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 12:26:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: OT: amp modelers vs amp modelers??? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 12:27:22 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 04/30/2003 12:27:23 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Scott: Here's a copy of part of a posting I made recently to the VG-8 mailing list that speaks to your query: << Davor wrote: > >David wrote: my arsenal of modellers including, to date: > >VG-8 and 88; GT-5 and 6; DG-Stomp, Digitech GN3, and Pod XT ... David, it took me ten days to realize that you use ALL these ''toyz'' so could you kindly send us more detailed comparisons of these modellers and their (dis)advantages in your studio (or on stage).>> Hello, Davor Frankly, I have all of these still hooked up mostly because I can (my rig doesn't travel) and because I can never duplicate the tones I like on older models when the new ones come out. But I'll be glad to ramble on a bit about what I like and don't like about them, fwiw, and with this disclaimer: I'm almost always looking for unique and unusual tones, not for ways to duplicate existing, classic (or current) guitar/amp tones, especially on the VGs, and I don't play live and loud, only in my studio and for recording. Also, since I do a lot of sound layering and playing over guitar loops (captured live with delays and other real-time looping tools), I tend to go for collections of sharply contrasting tones as much as for ultimate signature lead or solo tones. ....(snip some VG-8 stuff, but this may be relevant:).... Altho I definitely have some straight guitar/amp sounds on both VGs that I use and love, I almost always use mag-pickup modellers for those sounds, since I like my mag pickups, and the rich differences when switching between them. So, the VGs are my guitar "synths" and my "acoustics," (but all my favorite acoustic sounds are on the 8, not the 88). Mag tools So far, the king of my collection is the Pod XT (QUITE different from earlier Pods I tried), both for its clean sounds and its drive simulators, with the GT-6 coming second. Both offer a great range of credible and attractive distortions, but the POD sounds more organic to me, more spongy and good-gritty, very warm, while the 6 sounds more processed, more digital, more raspy, brighter---but both are full of depth and surprises in their amp/distortion models. For clean tones, I find it almost impossible to get a strong, punchy, loud clean on the 6 that doesn't get harsh and distorted on the upper strings when played hard, but this is not a problem on the Pod. And I haven't found any fx on the 6 that are keepers. For some reason, all the same effects I loved on the GT-5 sound crummy to me on the 6, less interesting and quickly boring. (Haven't found any Pod fx that interesting yet, either, but I haven't looked that hard.) And it's so dumb that there's no separate compressor/limiter block on the 6; it's an option within the FX1 block. Plus, the noise gate simply doesn't do the job on the 6, but is very effective on the Pod---and the Pod's compressors are very cool; you can run both a global "LA2A" type and a stomp-box pre-distortion. (WHY do we need a noise gate on digital modellers, anyway? Can't they build gain models that delete the warts on their analog forebears??) Again, the bottom line here is that I have more patches that I actually use on the Pod (about 10 different ones), compared to maybe 3 on the 6. The GT-5, DG-Stomp, and Digitech are also-rans, and I could pretty easily part with them if I had to. I use the Stomp the most, because I like the wah sounds. They're not classic, more like a tone-control sweep than a resonant filter, but I find this attractive. I have 3 sounds I like on it, a clean, a low-drive, and a smooth high-gain, but I need a separate noise gate to use the latter 2; there's no built-in gate, which either means that my unit is defectively noisy, or that Yamaha is just cheap. I suspect the former. Oddly, even with the noise problem, I find the Stomp very hi-fi, detailed, clear and cutting. Dumb interface for switching sounds on the fly. The Digi is hooked up into the external loop of the GT-5, and I quit exploring it after setting up my 1 favorite clean and high-gain tone within a single patch where I can sweep between them using the GT-5's exp. pedal, via MIDI. I have one GT-5 patch that gives me access to this sound, which is very nice, but I'd say it's more one-dimensional than the tones on any of the other boxes. Beyond this cool external-loop trick, I keep the GT-5 in honor of some quirky fx sounds I really love on it, couldn't duplicate with the GT-6, but don't often return to, including a bitchin' ring-mod bass, some very odd filtered tones using the Humanizer, and a few variations on a slow-gear effect I also can't get the 6 to do: not a sweep up in volume, just a soft or non-existant attack that starts right away. (This is because it takes both a compressor and the slow-gear to achieve, but on the 6 you have to choose between the comp and the SG.) To sum up, I find that even with all these mag choices, I rarely wonder which unit is currently on without looking, since they all seem to have a characteristic overall sound, which is part of the reason why I both keep the old ones, and keep buying new ones. But when I listen back to old recordings, it's much harder to tell, unless there's a distinctive effect going on that tips me off. So I guess I'm really more of a self-indulgent horder of toys than a discriminating tone detective. >> PS to Scott: I haven't tried the Behringer or a J-Station, but I do also have a Pandora and an Adrenaline, but didn't include these because, while they have some nice sounds, they both seem not to compare in richness, dimension and "sculpability" with the units I did mention. << all this talk of amp modelers vs. tubes amps has me wondering: has anyone ever had a chance to test (A/B) the different digital amp modelers available?? (pod, j-station, behringer v-amp, digitech rp & genesis, korg pandora, plus any i'm missing... etc)?? was just curious. i have the digitech rp100, and it's decent, i've played a pod for about 10-15 min once, and wasn't too thrilled w/ it, but that may have been b/c i was testing it w/ a crappy (new) fender squire strat that was not a great guitar to play....just curious..... s---- -- >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 30 12:48:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3UGkf420807; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 12:46:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 12:46:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 63.89.2.100 Message-ID: <001001c30f37$cc0a9790$8628a8c0@CAMPBEBOWIN2K> From: "astroblue" To: References: <20021126171041.74945.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> <02e001c30dd3$904a6100$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> <3EAFE98A.7D4108E5@patriot.net> Subject: bouncing (Admin query) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 09:44:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the original message on this thread discussed being unsubbed as a result of bounced mail. (attributed to mail filters, hence the chatter about that) I've had that problem for a few years on LD, it appears that LD msgs would be bounced back from my account now and then, and I would get unsubbed. Since I filter into a folder and don't read the list daily, I sometimes wouldn't realize it had happened for days (or weeks). I love having the local archive for searching and browsing (although I finally had to cull it when it got into astronomical proportions after a couple of years) This is the only list that's ever happened on (of dozens) for me, so dunno why. Anyway, I had to stop using my main email account for this list. No big deal, but thought I'd mention it as others may have had the same experience. For whatever reason, the LD mail program seems to be very sensitive to bounces. If that's happening to you, you might try using a different account if that is an option. Bob Campbell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 30 13:02:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3UH1bG23710; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 13:01:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 13:01:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <02881B76.5EA5925F.007D6382@aol.com> References: <02881B76.5EA5925F.007D6382@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 12:00:58 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: Re: Howie Day Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com he was on carson daily show last week, i'd say he's "mainstream"! or at least out there and not so much fringe!!!! s--- >Don't know a thing about this fella. Is he on the list? >Apparently he uses a Boss looper (model eludes) and is highly >praised in a recording 'zine (publication name evades), but his >method is explicitly described as loop-based AND he's (fringe) >mainstream. > > >Thought you all'd like to (or already) know. Okay, I'm through >(with) writing in parentheses. -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 30 13:24:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3UHNEL26074; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 13:23:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 13:23:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030429101739.04c1b1e0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 10:23:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Time to put up or $hut up, guy$. In-Reply-To: <014301c30e2b$3b039920$bf08fc0c@amd> References: <20021126171041.74945.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> <02e001c30dd3$904a6100$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030428225119.048c7f68@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:42 AM 4/29/2003, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: >Gimmie your Paypal (or whatever) address, Kim. The "Donate to Looper's Delight" paypal links are on nearly every page of Looper's Delight. They should be pretty easy to find! >I'll throw down what I can >considering I still owe Uncle Sam $1012 and am selling my Ampeg >SVT to pay him off and moving to NYC in September where the rent is steep >and the competition is ruthless . (Nobody's fault but my own. >Bad financial planning. I'm not a crack whore!) If you don't have money, how about time? write an article or tutorial, create a new section, do a product review, add something to the loopography, do some programming, format web pages, etc. >"How much labor have you volunteered to help out?" Well, I don't filter any >of the posts. I read all of them, unless it's the 103rd one in a thread >about Ernie Ball vs. Morely volume pedals. I try to be helpful to the >community by answering questions I can, and sharing how I use the EDP, which >I think is different from most people on the list. I try to ask intelligent >questions, related to looping. I try to stay on topic, and not contribute >to OT threads on-list. Although, occasionally I stray into the sin of tube >bass amp banter and sampler propaganda. That's really great, but still you are just talking about the list! This list is about 5% of Looper's Delight. "Volunteering labor" doesn't mean you posted here once in a while, although good posts are indeed helpful. What I'm talking about is real, actual work, by making contributions to the site. Like Jason, helping out by running the t-shirt fund raiser project. He and his wife did a great job last year, and they are stepping up again to do this year's t-shirts as well. That's serious effort to organize a project like that and pull it off as well as they do. I really appreciate it, and I think everybody else does as well, since we all go around wearing the shirts all the time! Or like David, managing the sales of the Looper's Delight Vol 1 CD. And Matt McCabe, who produced and distributes Vol 2. Doug Cox set up the Looper's Delight File Library. Michael Peters wrote and continues to maintain the Loopography and the "History of Looping". Chris Chovit did the programming for the profiles section. Many people have written great tutorials and reviews, or helped out with other sections. All these people working together made Looper's Delight what it is, not just me. I think we all appreciate the things they've done for us. If you want to make Looper's Delight better and give something back, step up and contribute! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 30 14:04:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3UHw6n30523; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 13:58:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 13:58:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030430105506.02936668@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 10:58:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Want to raise $$ Buy a LD CD! In-Reply-To: <3EAE6187.7919B0B9@helpwantedproductions.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a great cd, if you don't have it you should give it a listen. It was also a great milestone for the early days of Looper's Delight. A lot of people came together to make it happen! kim At 04:27 AM 4/29/2003, Legion@helpwantedproductions.com wrote: >Ok, it's been a while since I flogged the Looper's Delight CD#1 but >now's a good as time as any. > >For those who don't know, Looper's Delight CD#1 was the first CD put >about by members of this list. it's quite varied ranging from the >beautifully sublime to the silly and playful and everything in between. >It's actually pretty damn good which is why i still carry it in our >catalog. >Ordering and payment info: >http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/catalog.htm > >CD info: http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/ldcd1.htm ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 30 14:16:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3UIFP601534; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:15:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:15:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030430105836.029279b8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 11:15:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Howie Day In-Reply-To: <02881B76.5EA5925F.007D6382@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:37 AM 4/30/2003, Paulzric@aol.com wrote: >Don't know a thing about this fella. Is he on the list? >Apparently he uses a Boss looper (model eludes) and is highly >praised in a recording 'zine (publication name evades), but his method is >explicitly described as loop-based AND he's (fringe) mainstream. I saw Howie Day open for Tori Amos. He was really good, and the Tori fans seemed to dig him. Fairly straightforward singer/songwriter/guitar strummer thing. He uses loops and delays extensively throughout his performance on both his guitar and vocals, and integrates it into his sound in a very organic way. It's all very supportive of the songs and fills out the sound with extra parts and harmonies and such, created on the fly. He frequently creates percussion loops out of taps on different parts of his acoustic guitar. It works very well. In one amusing part towards the end of his set he stopped singing/strumming and went to just mixing and manipulating the loops he had set up. He was ping ponging fragments between loops, chopping it up and remixing it to get some pretty good dance grooves. After that bit he said "I always wanted to be a dj" and then went back to the singer/strummer thing. It all worked great, I thought. He put on a good show. I don't know where you guys get this notion that looping isn't "mainstream". Phil Keaggy? Keller Williams? Trey Anastasio? Even Chet Atkins before he passed on... There's all kinds of people doing stuff like this. Just because you happen to make weird music and you use looping doesn't mean looping is weird. It's just a technique that people use in all sorts of music. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 30 14:22:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3UIKtr02360; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:20:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:20:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030430182006.69861.qmail@web21511.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 11:20:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: Howie Day To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030430105836.029279b8@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I don't know where you guys get this notion that > looping isn't > "mainstream". Phil Keaggy? Keller Williams? Trey > Anastasio? Even Chet > Atkins before he passed on... There's all kinds of > people doing stuff like > this. Just because you happen to make weird music > and you use looping > doesn't mean looping is weird. It's just a technique > that people use in all > sorts of music. > Didn't Les Paul have some kind of device attached to one of his guitars that multitracked short pieces together? I seem to remember seing something like this when I was a kid -- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 30 14:28:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3UIRBH03130; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:27:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:27:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:27:55 -0400 Subject: les paul Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: "mr.monk" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030430182006.69861.qmail@web21511.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <7654032E-7B39-11D7-B82A-000393073870@fuse.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks for someone mentioning phil keaggy! and to the best of my knowledge Les primarily played with pre-recorded tapes. On Wednesday, April 30, 2003, at 02:20 PM, Squid Loop wrote: > Les Paul have some kind of device attached to > one of his guitars that multitracked short pieces > together? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 30 14:41:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3UIfSo04921; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:41:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:41:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030430184056.22685.qmail@web21503.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 11:40:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: les paul To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7654032E-7B39-11D7-B82A-000393073870@fuse.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <9O2b9.A.hLB.6iBs-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For anybody interested - I found an old post in the archives: ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 18:59:15 -0800 From: kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: "Jamman" up for a Grammy Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> He also describes Les Paul's first home-brew looping machine (late >1940's) which was dubbed the "Les Paulverizer". > >Never heard of that before - did Chet tell you about the "Les Paulverizer"? >What kind of device was it? How did it work? I'd love to include this info >in our "History of Looping" webpage. A bit of trivia: When I was at Gibson, we periodically kicked around the idea of a footpedal looper, and guess what the working title usually was? Why, Les Paulverizer, of course...... I'm sure Les wouldn't have minded a few extra royalty dollars.... kim --- "mr.monk" wrote: > thanks for someone mentioning phil keaggy! and to > the best of my > knowledge Les primarily played with pre-recorded > tapes. > > > On Wednesday, April 30, 2003, at 02:20 PM, Squid > Loop wrote: > > > Les Paul have some kind of device attached to > > one of his guitars that multitracked short pieces > > together? > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 30 14:44:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3UIe6B04736; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:40:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:40:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030430113414.04dea008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 11:40:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: les paul In-Reply-To: <7654032E-7B39-11D7-B82A-000393073870@fuse.net> References: <20030430182006.69861.qmail@web21511.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com We had the Les Paul discussion once. He certainly made it appear that what he was doing was real time loops. Some sources said it was really all pre-recorded tape parts that he triggered from the stage, which he just claimed as real-time loops to get the audience to accept it. It's still pretty cool, I think. Maybe that makes it one of the first examples of sampling, as opposed to looping. And in some ways, if the audience is fooled it might as well be real. kim At 11:27 AM 4/30/2003, you wrote: >thanks for someone mentioning phil keaggy! and to the best of my >knowledge Les primarily played with pre-recorded tapes. > > >On Wednesday, April 30, 2003, at 02:20 PM, Squid Loop wrote: > >>Les Paul have some kind of device attached to >>one of his guitars that multitracked short pieces >>together? ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 30 14:44:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3UIhtO05205; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:43:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:43:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7654032E-7B39-11D7-B82A-000393073870@fuse.net> References: <7654032E-7B39-11D7-B82A-000393073870@fuse.net> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 11:41:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: les paul Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, April 30, 2003, at 02:20 PM, Squid Loop wrote: >Les Paul have some kind of device attached to one of his guitars >that multitracked short pieces together? At 2:27 PM -0400 4/30/03, mr.monk wrote: >to the best of my knowledge Les primarily played with pre-recorded tapes. Ever the showman, Les had a system called the "Les Paulverizer" that allowed him to control a tape deck remotely from a button mounted on his guitar. He'd demonstrate the system in such a way that he made it seem that he was overdubbing on the spot, but the backing tapes were actually all prerecorded. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 30 15:28:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3UJQQV12012; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 15:26:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 15:26:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 15:24:17 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: PSP42 versus PCM42 To: Richard Zvonar , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004101c30f4e$4f6cc520$1912be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ArajuHlo9M6l++zGx5HnXw)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_ArajuHlo9M6l++zGx5HnXw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Re: PSP42 versus PCM42Dr. Z- I'll be playing with my (Bob Sellon-modded) PCM42 tonight. If you don't have answers by tomorrow, I'll post my findings. But right off the bat, I suspect (some of) your questions refer to the PCM42's Sample mode (which I never use), not the echo/delay mode. Is this so? And you wrote: >When the unit is in Repeat mode, are you able to change the delay tap? If so, what happens to the material in the loop as you press the Inc/Dec buttons? "Delay tap" being delay time? There is no "tap tempo" function on my PCM42. >If the feedback level is set to produce multiple echoes, and you put the unit in Repeat mode, is the recycling audio captured into the loop, or just the incoming audio without the echoes? By "Repeat" I assume you mean "infinite repeat." When you put it in this mode, it "freezes" whatever has been created up to that point, echoes and all. I love this: build up a huge texture, freeze it, and solo 'till blue in the face. I'll experiment to answer your other questions. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net --Boundary_(ID_ArajuHlo9M6l++zGx5HnXw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Re: PSP42 versus PCM42
Dr. Z-
    I'll be playing with my (Bob Sellon-modded) PCM42 tonight. If you don't have answers by tomorrow, I'll post my findings. But right off the bat, I suspect (some of) your questions refer to the PCM42's Sample mode (which I never use), not the echo/delay mode. Is this so? And you wrote:
>When the unit is in Repeat mode, are you able to change the delay tap? If so, what happens to the material in the loop as you press the Inc/Dec buttons?
"Delay tap" being delay time? There is no "tap tempo" function on my PCM42.
>If the feedback level is set to produce multiple echoes, and you put the unit in Repeat mode, is the recycling audio captured into the loop, or just the incoming audio without the echoes?
By "Repeat" I assume you mean "infinite repeat." When you put it in this mode, it "freezes" whatever has been created up to that point, echoes and all. I love this: build up a huge texture, freeze it, and solo 'till blue in the face. I'll experiment to answer your other questions.
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
coyotelk@optonline.net
--Boundary_(ID_ArajuHlo9M6l++zGx5HnXw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 30 15:31:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3UJVKx12680; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 15:31:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 15:31:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 15:29:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200304301529.AA864026684@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: multi-effects X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: <30qwTB.A.9CD.1QCs-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My treasured Quadraverb V2 is dead. I was thinking about trying to get another one on Ebay, but then I started wondering if the state of the art hasn't improved in the last six years. So I'm asking for people's favorite multi-effects. My needs: Digital In/Out Flexible Programability, but not too complicated (I want to be able to edit without a computer attached) Good Midi implementation Good reverb Rack Mounted (this will live in my studio most if not all the time) Reasonably priced (sorry, can't affored Eventide or Kyma) I already have: Ensoniq DP/4+ Korg DL8000R Korg AM8000R Alesis Wedge Yamaha SPX/90 Any suggestions? thanks, Kevin -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- New From Unit Circle: Intonarumori - "Material" http://www.unitcircle.com/rekkids/releases/tUC075/ -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 30 15:48:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3UJlNc15214; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 15:47:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 15:47:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 12:44:36 -0700 Subject: Re: PSP42 versus PCM42 From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3134551477_66571_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <8LHXmD.A.csD.ugCs-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3134551477_66571_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit dr. zvonar wrote: I worked with the 42 regularly back in "the day" (1983-85), but haven't had one since. My questions are about certain features of the signal path and about the way the delay tap buttons work. Specifically: When the unit is in Repeat mode, are you able to change the delay tap? If so, what happens to the material in the loop as you press the Inc/Dec buttons? *nothing happens to the captured audio until you disengage the repeat button. and then it catches a truncated version(random) depending on what you padded those buttons to. there is no pitch change.* If the feedback level is set to produce multiple echoes, and you put the unit in Repeat mode, is the recycling audio captured into the loop, or just the incoming audio without the echoes? *its all captured.* If the Output Mix pot is set to the Input position and you put the unit into Repeat mode, what happens? *dont quite understand-repeat button is saving whatever has been captured. mix pot set to 'input' lets only the input(dry)signal to be heard.* If the Output Mix pot set in the Delay position and you capture a loop, and you then turn the pot to the Input position, what happens? *your loop sound decreases incrementally as yer input sound increases.* If you have already caputured audio into a loop, and the feedback pot is set for multiple echoes, what happens when you take the unit out of Repeat mode? *it eventually fades over time if set at full feedback-but it can take a LONG time.* any more questions i can help w/? i have a copy of the owners manual i can send ya-dr. looking forward to that review-where will it appear? stanatrocious --MS_Mac_OE_3134551477_66571_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: PSP42 versus PCM42
dr. zvonar wrote:


I worked with the 42 regularly back in "the day" (1983-85), but h= aven't had one since. My questions are about certain features of the signal = path and about the way the delay tap buttons work. Specifically:

  • When the unit is in Repeat mode, are you able to change the delay t= ap? If so, what happens to the material in the loop as you press the Inc/Dec= buttons?

*nothing happens to the captured audio until you disengage the repeat = button. and then it catches a truncated version(random) depending on what yo= u padded those buttons to. there is no pitch change.*

  • If the feedback level is set to produce multiple echoes, and you pu= t the unit in Repeat mode, is the recycling audio captured into the loop, or= just the incoming audio without the echoes?

*its all captured.*

  • If the Output Mix pot is set to the Input position and you put the = unit into Repeat mode, what happens?

*dont quite understand-repeat button is saving whatever has been captu= red. mix pot set to 'input' lets only the input(dry)signal to be heard.*

  • If the Output Mix pot set in the Delay position and you capture a l= oop, and you then turn the pot to the Input position, what happens?

*your loop sound decreases incrementally as yer input sound increases.= *

  • If you have already caputured audio into a loop, and the feedback p= ot is set for multiple echoes, what happens when you take the unit out of Re= peat mode?
*it eventually fades over time if set at full feedback-but= it can take a LONG time.*

any more questions i can help w/?
i have  a copy of the owners manual i can send ya-dr.

looking forward to that review-where will it appear?
stanatrocious

--MS_Mac_OE_3134551477_66571_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 30 15:54:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3UJsHV16255; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 15:54:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 15:54:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Baldwin Looping Tonight? Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 12:53:37 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <004101c30f4e$4f6cc520$1912be18@oemcomputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Where does Mr. Coyote play? Not that I'll be there--I'm in San Diego--but as previously mentioned, am curious. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 30 15:56:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3UJoTU15740; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 15:50:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 15:50:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004101c30f4e$4f6cc520$1912be18@oemcomputer> References: <004101c30f4e$4f6cc520$1912be18@oemcomputer> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 12:46:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: PSP42 versus PCM42 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:24 PM -0400 4/30/03, Douglas Baldwin wrote: >I suspect (some of) your questions refer to the PCM42's Sample mode >(which I never use), not the echo/delay mode. Is this so? To my recollection the stock PCM42 didn't have a sample mode, just an infinite repeat mode. This is confirmed by the PCM42 manual. >By "Repeat" I assume you mean "infinite repeat." Yes. >When you put it in this mode, it "freezes" whatever has been created >up to that point, echoes and all. This is not what happens in PSP42. When you press "Repeat" it captures incoming signal but not the feedback effects. I also find that I can't punch in new material without replacing the entire contents of the loop. One of the things I like to do with a looper is to go in and out of infinite repeat mode and add bits of new material to the existing loop. If you do this with feedback at zero it should replace the current looping material. If you do it with feedback turned up it should overdub the new material and mix it with the old. This doesn't seem to be possible in PSP42. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 30 16:12:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3UKBpm19246; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:11:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:11:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 13:11:07 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: PSP42 versus PCM42 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1160389019==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1160389019==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 12:44 PM -0700 4/30/03, wrote: >When the unit is in Repeat mode, are you able to change the delay >tap? If so, what happens to the material in the loop as you press >the Inc/Dec buttons? >*nothing happens to the captured audio until you disengage the >repeat button. and then it catches a truncated version(random) >depending on what you padded those buttons to. there is no pitch >change.* I wouldn't expect a pitch change because the inc/dec buttons just change the delay tap without affecting the clock rate. I wasn't sure what to expect from changing the delay tap while repeating. >If the feedback level is set to produce multiple echoes, and you put >the unit in Repeat mode, is the recycling audio captured into the >loop, or just the incoming audio without the echoes? >*its all captured.* As it should be. >If the Output Mix pot is set to the Input position and you put the >unit into Repeat mode, what happens? >*dont quite understand-repeat button is saving whatever has been >captured. mix pot set to 'input' lets only the input(dry)signal to >be heard.* The Output Mix pot should not have any affect on what is being fed into the delay; it controls the mix between the an altered input signal and the output of the delay. My assumption is that audio is always being fed to the delay, so if you capture a loop while the Output Mix is set to "Input" you will still be capturing the incoming audio. You just won't her the looping until you move the pot (or the remote pedal) to "Delay." PSP42 does not work this way. >If the Output Mix pot set in the Delay position and you capture a >loop, and you then turn the pot to the Input position, what happens? >*your loop sound decreases incrementally as yer input sound increases.* Right. PSP42 does not do this. Even with the mix set to "Input" all you hear is the loop. >If you have already caputured audio into a loop, and the feedback >pot is set for multiple echoes, what happens when you take the unit >out of Repeat mode? >*it eventually fades over time if set at full feedback-but it can >take a LONG time.* PSP42 does not work this way. >any more questions i can help w/? >i have a copy of the owners manual i can send ya-dr. This confirms what I thought I remembered and what I could interpret from the block diagram. I do have a copy of the PCM42 manual (though sadly no PCM42) >looking forward to that review-where will it appear? This review will be on the audioMIDI.com site, probably in a couple of weeks. I'm a regular contributor to that site (I just finished a review of Vokator). I'm in a bit of a quandary on PSP42, since I think it's brilliant in most ways but "broken" with respect to these few functions. I'd rather not make too much of deal about this in the review, since I'd prefer it to be mostly positive. I also think that these points could be on a "to do" list for a future update. Anyone who designs a software emulation of a piece of classic hardware faces the problem of whether to slavishly copy the original or to make "improvements" in the soft version. PSP have done this with a couple of features, such as the clock implementation and the way the infinite repeat works. The PCM42 would always loop the entire contents of memory and not just what was defined by the delay tap. Personally I never liked that. PSP42 loops the current delay time. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1160389019==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: PSP42 versus PCM42
At 12:44 PM -0700 4/30/03, <stanitarium@earthlink.net> wrote:

  • When the unit is in Repeat mode, are you able to change the delay tap? If so, what happens to the material in the loop as you press the Inc/Dec buttons?
*nothing happens to the captured audio until you disengage the repeat button. and then it catches a truncated version(random) depending on what you padded those buttons to. there is no pitch change.*

I wouldn't expect a pitch change because the inc/dec buttons just change the delay tap without affecting the clock rate. I wasn't sure what to expect from changing the delay tap while repeating.

  • If the feedback level is set to produce multiple echoes, and you put the unit in Repeat mode, is the recycling audio captured into the loop, or just the incoming audio without the echoes?
*its all captured.*

As it should be.
  • If the Output Mix pot is set to the Input position and you put the unit into Repeat mode, what happens?
*dont quite understand-repeat button is saving whatever has been captured. mix pot set to 'input' lets only the input(dry)signal to be heard.*

The Output Mix pot should not have any affect on what is being fed into the delay; it controls the mix between the an altered input signal and the output of the delay. My assumption is that audio is always being fed to the delay, so if you capture a loop while the Output Mix is set to "Input" you will still be capturing the incoming audio. You just won't her the looping until you move the pot (or the remote pedal) to "Delay." PSP42 does not work this way.

  • If the Output Mix pot set in the Delay position and you capture a loop, and you then turn the pot to the Input position, what happens?
*your loop sound decreases incrementally as yer input sound increases.*

Right.  PSP42 does not do this. Even with the mix set to "Input" all you hear is the loop.

  • If you have already caputured audio into a loop, and the feedback pot is set for multiple echoes, what happens when you take the unit out of Repeat mode?
*it eventually fades over time if set at full feedback-but it can take a LONG time.*

PSP42 does not work this way.
any more questions i can help w/?
i have  a copy of the owners manual i can send ya-dr.

This confirms what I thought I remembered and what I could interpret from the block diagram. I do have a copy of the PCM42 manual (though sadly no PCM42)

looking forward to that review-where will it appear?

This review will be on the audioMIDI.com site, probably in a couple of weeks. I'm a regular contributor to that site (I just finished a review of Vokator).

I'm in a bit of a quandary on PSP42, since I think it's brilliant in most ways but "broken" with respect to these few functions. I'd rather not make too much of deal about this in the review, since I'd prefer it to be mostly positive. I also think that these points could be on a "to do" list for a future update.

Anyone who designs a software emulation of a piece of classic hardware faces the problem of whether to slavishly copy the original or to make "improvements" in the soft version. PSP have done this with a couple of features, such as the clock implementation and the way the infinite repeat works. The PCM42 would always loop the entire contents of memory and not just what was defined by the delay tap.  Personally I never liked that. PSP42 loops the current delay time.
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(818) 788-2202                                 
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http://RZCybernetics.com
--============_-1160389019==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 30 16:22:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3UKM7C20591; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:22:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:22:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <1d7.85324c2.2be18a42@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:21:22 EDT Subject: RE: Pedal Response with Echoplex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (none other than Kim himself says):- > I use the Boss FV-50L pedal, it works fine and controls the volume properly > as it should. I kind of remember a debate about this from way back. Don't have time to battle the archives, so I'm relying on memory here ;-( The result seemed to be that the EDP had been designed to work with a 9K ohm sweep in resistance, so that you could use a 10k pot (with 10% tolerance) and still get 100% feedback. The FV-50L is 25K ohm and hence there's quite a good proportion of it's sweep that doesn't do anything. It's quite hard to set the feedback to an accurate number on the display using the FV-50L. In FLIP mode it makes the crossover from input to loop less controllable, as most of the range of the pedal is either full on or full off, (maybe not a bad thing though) I think matthias suggested 2 ways to improve the pedal for EDP use. 1) solder a 10k resistor across the pot (or both of them for stereo) 2) parallel the 2 pots.(connect each tab on the right ch pot to the corresponding one on the left ) maybe different "editions" of the EDP vary in this respect (I have 2 from the last of the beige face editions). Is there a simple EDP mod to alter the EDP to suit the pedal? andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 30 16:34:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3UKXOY22305; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:33:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:33:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 13:30:57 -0700 Subject: Re: PSP42 versus PCM42 From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3134554258_108971_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3134554258_108971_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit the good dr. writ: -This confirms what I thought I remembered and what I could interpret from the block diagram. I do have a copy of the PCM42 manual (though sadly no PCM42) they are still around. i saw one at