From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 1 05:47:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA30015; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 05:43:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 05:43:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b001c33e22$edd3d980$5a64f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200302250611.BAA06262@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: LIVE Sound Card choices for Mac Live Loop programs? Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 02:43:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi gang, I would love some off list replies to the following questions if anyone has the time or inclination to help me out. I want to get a breakout box that will allow me to do real time stereo audio input into a MAC Titanium powerbook (800 mghz). No, I don't want an 8 channel in MOTU or equivalent. The Lowest Latency possible with the most inexpensive price is what I'm looking for. I'm a complete newbie to the MAC side of things (being a die hard PC guy for the last 4 years) so I am incredibly naive and unknowledgeable about my options. I have heard that USB boxes (like DigiDesigns M-Box) could have potential latency problems and I want to drive Antares fantastic new audio driven synth, KANTOS with a vocal or instrument mic with the least possible degree of latency. Is firewire the way to go? Are there any stereo firewired audio-computer boxes out there that are both small in size (which is a definite consideration since I will be touring Europe and the British Isles this summer) and somewhat manageable economically? I'd appreciate any and all advise from you loopers. After NAMM, seeing KANTOS, Ableton's LIVE, Steve Duda's Devine-Machine (looping program) and Cycling 74's RADIAL, Ms. Pinky and JITTER I decided to take the plunge (please oh please don't bury me with "I told you sos" from the Mac crowd.......LOL). yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 1 06:17:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA32026; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 06:14:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 06:14:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00b001c33e22$edd3d980$5a64f93f@global> References: <200302250611.BAA06262@hemlock.violacea.com> <00b001c33e22$edd3d980$5a64f93f@global> Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 03:13:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: LIVE Sound Card choices for Mac Live Loop programs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <1z1cL.A.wzH.4XJY-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:43 AM -0700 6/29/03, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: >I want to get a breakout box that will allow me to do real time stereo audio >input into a MAC Titanium powerbook (800 mghz). >The Lowest Latency possible with the most inexpensive price is what >I'm looking for. >Is firewire the way to go? FireWire or card bus (PCMCIA) will both be better than USB, but the cost will be higher. There are no 2-channel FireWire interfaces. The M-Audio FireWire 410 is the cheapest, at $389 street price. Four inputs and ten outputs, plus MIDI I/O. http://www.bayviewproaudio.com/maudio_firewire410.html The best card bus interface seems to be the RME Multiface at around $1000 street price. Ultra low latency. http://www.rme-audio.com/english/hdsp/multifa.htm This has 8x8 analog audio as well as ADAT light pipe. It has both PCMCIA and PCI interface options, so it would be possible to use the same breakout box with either a laptop or a desktop machine. It's also both Mac and PC compatible. >After NAMM, seeing KANTOS, Ableton's LIVE, Steve Duda's Devine-Machine >(looping program) and Cycling 74's RADIAL, Ms. Pinky and JITTER I >decided to take the plunge Devine Machine is PC-only at this point. A Mac version is intended, but they need to find a programmer who can do the port. Live is both Mac and PC. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 1 07:58:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA05438; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 07:57:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 07:57:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 07:56:47 -0500 Subject: Re: LIVE Sound Card choices for Mac Live Loop programs? From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6bFQ_B.A.LUB.R4KY-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com unless i'm completely incorrect, with much respect to Dr. Zvonar, a brand new 2 channel can be found here. http://www.mhlabs.com I am MOST happy with my 8 channel version from the same company. and the software is kick ass... with the best to all... todd On 3/1/03 6:13 AM, "Richard Zvonar" wrote: > There are no 2-channel FireWire interfaces. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 1 11:09:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25693; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 11:08:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 11:08:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007301c2e00c$56d7ae40$4a615cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for March 1, 2003 Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 11:04:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <_8rIfB.A.WQG.WrNY-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. Send me comments if you love or hate what I played. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. I played the music of vidnaObmana who will perform at the next Soundscapes Concert Series on April 19, at Bethlehem's IceHouse on Sand Island. vidnaObmana http://www.vidnaobmana.be Soundscapes Concert Series http://soundscapes.us Show #18 March 1, 2003. PLAYLIST: Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== VA [vidnaObmana] In Memory of Morton Electroacoustic Musiv Vol. 7 Feldman (Electroshock) xeroid entity Second Moon of Saturn xeroid entity (xeroid records) Jurgen Haible Beryll on Copprt Dark November (none) Andy Pickford and Laternentrager Parts 1+2 Ramayana (Neu Harmony) Paul Nagle Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Amethysium Shadow to Light Aphelion (Neurodisc) Michael Hewett The Ever-Widening Being In Dreaming (Dharma Circle Moon) Kitaro Theme from Silk Road Best of Silk Road (Domo) Michael Dulin The Way Home The One I Waited For (Equity Digital) Agatsuma Beams Beams (Domo) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Big Block Dodge SOL Manifold Destiny (Groosian) Derek Sherinian Mata Hari Inertia (InsideOut) Thirteen of Everything Sleepdance Demo 2002 (none) Daemonia Halloween Live or Dead (Deep Red) Daemonia Tubular Bells Live or Dead (Deep Red) Pinnacle Synchronicity II 2003 Demo (none) Shaun Guerin Crazy By the Dark of Light (Clearlight) * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on March 15. Bill =============================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 1 11:47:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29457; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 11:43:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 11:43:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: burnett@pobox.com X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 11:50:25 -0500 (EST) X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: LIVE Sound Card choices for Mac Live Loop programs? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sat, 1 Mar 2003, Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 2:43 AM -0700 6/29/03, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: > > >I want to get a breakout box that will allow me to do real time stereo audio > >input into a MAC Titanium powerbook (800 mghz). > > >The Lowest Latency possible with the most inexpensive price is what > >I'm looking for. > > >Is firewire the way to go? > > FireWire or card bus (PCMCIA) will both be better than USB, but the > cost will be higher. > > There are no 2-channel FireWire interfaces. > > The M-Audio FireWire 410 is the cheapest, at $389 street price. Four > inputs and ten outputs, plus MIDI I/O. > > http://www.bayviewproaudio.com/maudio_firewire410.html I was looking for a portable solution to wanting to record more than two channels of audio simultaneous input into an Apple tiBook, either USB or Firewire. I have a Digidesign Mbox which is fine for two channels, but only two. I can't afford a Digidesign 002 at $2200 as the cheapest price. I was looking at the M-Audio FireWire 410 as a possible solution, and wrote M-Audio tech support last week. Their response was: "The 410 is not out yet, I have no estimated date for it's release. The Quattro would probably be the best the device for you to use. Check our web sight for specs on the unit." I was looking at possibly a MOTU 828. Thanks for the RME Multiface reference, I might consider that instead. If anyone else has other suggestions for my 3+channel recording needs, I'd appreciate hearing them. thanks, Steve http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > The best card bus interface seems to be the RME Multiface at around > $1000 street price. Ultra low latency. > > http://www.rme-audio.com/english/hdsp/multifa.htm > > This has 8x8 analog audio as well as ADAT light pipe. It has both > PCMCIA and PCI interface options, so it would be possible to use the > same breakout box with either a laptop or a desktop machine. It's > also both Mac and PC compatible. > > > >After NAMM, seeing KANTOS, Ableton's LIVE, Steve Duda's Devine-Machine > >(looping program) and Cycling 74's RADIAL, Ms. Pinky and JITTER I > >decided to take the plunge > > Devine Machine is PC-only at this point. A Mac version is intended, > but they need to find a programmer who can do the port. Live is both > Mac and PC. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 1 11:55:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30281; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 11:52:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 11:52:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 08:51:29 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: LIne 6 Filter Mod Pro Midi synch In-reply-to: <00b001c33e22$edd3d980$5a64f93f@global> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <0C8320B4-4C06-11D7-A328-0003934CD2FA@zerocrossing.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I know we've talked a lot about the Delay Pro not doing well synching to a MIDI clock. Has anyone tried the Filter pro or Mod Pro for MIDI clock synched loop mangelage? Good? Bad? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 1 11:59:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30782; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 11:56:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 11:56:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 08:51:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: LIVE Sound Card choices for Mac Live Loop programs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:56 AM -0500 3/1/03, todd reynolds wrote: >unless i'm completely incorrect, with much respect to Dr. Zvonar, a brand >new 2 channel can be found here. > >http://www.mhlabs.com Of course you're right! I'd forgotten about that one, probably because the emphasis is on the high-end mic preamps. It's in the $1000 range, so for general 2-channel use it's a bit pricey. Worth it, though. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 1 12:06:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00449; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 12:03:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 12:03:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 08:56:59 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: LIVE Sound Card choices for Mac Live Loop programs? Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1165584301==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1165584301==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 11:50 AM -0500 3/1/03, burnett@pobox.com wrote: >wrote M-Audio tech support last week. Their response was: > >"The 410 is not out yet, I have no estimated date for it's release. >The Quattro would probably be the best the device for you to use. >Check our web sight for specs on the unit." Sheesh! Two spelling errors in two sentences. I hope this person is a tech rather than a marketing writer. I've found only the one on-line vendor advertising the 410, and their estimate is late March. I'll try to find out what the schedule is. >If anyone else has other suggestions for my 3+channel recording needs, I'd >appreciate hearing them. emagic EMI 6|2 m has six inputs and two outputs. Their 2|6 is the reverse. http://www.emagic.de/products/hw/emi62/index.php?lang=EN -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1165584301==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: [LOOP] Re: LIVE Sound Card choices for Mac Live Lo
At 11:50 AM -0500 3/1/03, burnett@pobox.com wrote:

wrote M-Audio tech support last week. Their response was:
"The 410 is not out yet, I have no estimated date for it's release.
The Quattro would probably be the best the device for you to use.
Check our web sight for specs on the unit."

Sheesh! Two spelling errors in two sentences. I hope this person is a tech rather than a marketing writer.

I've found only the one on-line vendor advertising the 410, and their estimate is late March. I'll try to find out what the schedule is.

If anyone else has other suggestions for my 3+channel recording needs, I'd
appreciate hearing them.

emagic EMI 6|2 m has six inputs and two outputs. Their 2|6 is the reverse.

http://www.emagic.de/products/hw/emi62/index.php?lang=EN
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Richard Zvonar, PhD      
(818) 788-2202                                 
http://www.zvonar.com
http://RZCybernetics.com
--============_-1165584301==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 1 12:26:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02827; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 12:25:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 12:25:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: RE: LIVE Sound Card choices for Mac Live Loop programs? Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 12:24:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1C7041B8F9E88F4BA1F23A63FC0CDACDBBCE2C@engin-mail1.engin.umich.edu> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LIVE Sound Card choices for Mac Live Loop programs? Thread-Index: AcLgGDlRoeCmQUJeQSqn3l95QO0ohA== From: "Clark, Darcy" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA02770 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just bought a Titanium also and I'm currently trying to learn enough Max/MSP to write my own live looper. I bought a Digigram VXPocket v2 card to handle the live audio off eBay for about $300. The latency is about 11ms, which is bearable I think. I'd prefer to get about 4ms or less, which is what I get with my PCI cards in my desktop comps, but I expect that it's difficult to do this over the PCMCIA bus. As far as USB goes, I think the latencies will be too high, and although I have no personal experience with it, I hear firewire latencies can be an issue also. I chose not to go firewire primarily because of the expense and the bulk of having to haul around a rack mount. The digigram card is more self-contained. http://www.digigram.com/products/getinfo.htm?prod_key=9000 -----Original Message----- From: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL [mailto:GLOBAL@cruzio.com] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 5:44 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: LIVE Sound Card choices for Mac Live Loop programs? Hi gang, I would love some off list replies to the following questions if anyone has the time or inclination to help me out. I want to get a breakout box that will allow me to do real time stereo audio input into a MAC Titanium powerbook (800 mghz). No, I don't want an 8 channel in MOTU or equivalent. The Lowest Latency possible with the most inexpensive price is what I'm looking for. I'm a complete newbie to the MAC side of things (being a die hard PC guy for the last 4 years) so I am incredibly naive and unknowledgeable about my options. I have heard that USB boxes (like DigiDesigns M-Box) could have potential latency problems and I want to drive Antares fantastic new audio driven synth, KANTOS with a vocal or instrument mic with the least possible degree of latency. Is firewire the way to go? Are there any stereo firewired audio-computer boxes out there that are both small in size (which is a definite consideration since I will be touring Europe and the British Isles this summer) and somewhat manageable economically? I'd appreciate any and all advise from you loopers. After NAMM, seeing KANTOS, Ableton's LIVE, Steve Duda's Devine-Machine (looping program) and Cycling 74's RADIAL, Ms. Pinky and JITTER I decided to take the plunge (please oh please don't bury me with "I told you sos" from the Mac crowd.......LOL). yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 1 13:14:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10840; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 13:14:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 13:14:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 15:12:49 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Lexicon MPX G2 (internal Jamman) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com todd reynolds helps: >I used to, matthias... it works like a charm... > >the reverbs are not like what is promised... they are a bit of a >disappointment compared to the 80 and 90..., but still very excellent. > >remember that the routing can be changed from serial to parallel at any >point, so you might still be able to accomplish that effect using the jamman >inside the unit itself... oh, right, it has a Jamman! Is is it also MIDIclocky? would be great to record the bass line on it and then keep renewing the theme on the synced EDP... did you do that? thank you! > >t. > >On 2/27/03 2:34 PM, "Matthias Grob" wrote: > >> i finally had a closer look at that lexicon guitar effect and was >> amazed about its insert feature. This allows to insert a looper and >> have the filter/distortion/pitch effects before and the reverb after >> the looper, so that could replace the PCM80 and 90 for me! >> >> Does anyone do that? >> Is the reverb quality somehow in the range of the PCM80 (it certainly >> does not match the 90 but there is no need on stage)? >> >> Its a pity that the Send is not stereo with panning, else we could >> connect two EDPs to it and use them as two track or stereo >> alternatively, just by changing the parameters at the G2! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 1 13:15:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10996; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 13:14:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 13:14:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 15:13:37 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Lexicon MPX G2 and Echoplex Digital Pro--a match made in heaven??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Matthias Grob asked: > >I just have the manual... >The idea is to connect a EDP between Send and Return of it and then >play arround with the effects before and after the loops just like >the Repeater does it :-) Gary replied: >Well . . . >At this point I am running a SC-880 tone module being driven by a guitar >synth (ZTAR) into the G2 and synching them to a pair of EDPs which are >recording guitar being affected (effected?) by a Boss GT-3. . . But I'm not >married to this arrangement . . . I dont quite understand... it would not make sense to insert two EDPs into the G2, because its send is only mono... do you use them for stereo? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 1 14:01:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16514; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 13:58:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 13:58:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Looping9string@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 13:56:56 EST Subject: APHEX 207 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c1.2f579026.2b925c78_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 230 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_c1.2f579026.2b925c78_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would really love to inquire with some of you audiophiles about some things... 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I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --part1_c1.2f579026.2b925c78_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 1 14:18:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20249; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 14:18:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 14:18:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1C7041B8F9E88F4BA1F23A63FC0CDACDBBCE2C@engin-mail1.engin.umich.edu> References: <1C7041B8F9E88F4BA1F23A63FC0CDACDBBCE2C@engin-mail1.engin.umich.edu> Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 11:17:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: LIVE Sound Card choices for Mac Live Loop programs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:24 PM -0500 3/1/03, Clark, Darcy wrote: >I bought a Digigram VXPocket v2 card...The latency is about 11ms The RME Hammerfall equivalent has a theoretical latency down to 1.5 mS, though one reviewer claimed 5 to 6 mS with a fairly complex load including effects and virtual instruments. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 1 14:20:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20516; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 14:20:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 14:20:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030301191905.61407.qmail@web40513.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 11:19:05 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Considering Boomerang or EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004d01c2de90$1d5a28a0$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Jimmy, I want to put a pick up on my acoustic so i can tap and drum on it.Right now i only have a piezo fishman on the bridge which doesnt do the job.I have been reading about the rare earths and now of course about the sunrise.What are your recomendations? I also have the rang and i like it although the new transpose modes woulb be really cool if they could be accesed directly without having to stop the loop,no? cu L.a > check out my equipment page on > http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com under 'music' > when you can. i have pics of both the old rang and > the new one. i also have > a schematic for a simple routing system i've built > for the rang allowing you > to get up to 12 signals into the loop. 4 of the > signals you can split to the > house as well. very sweet! > > give me a shout if you have any more boomerang > questions. i know the pedal > very well. > > with the boomerangs simplicity set-up & functions i > find i can dig deeper > into the music and truly get the most out of my 'g' > chord if you will. > > good luck and loop on! > > jimmy > > http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com > http://www.jimmygeorgeband.com > http://www.mousebearrecords.com > > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 1 14:32:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22056; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 14:32:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 14:32:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: burnett@pobox.com X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 14:38:44 -0500 (EST) X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: [LOOP] Re: LIVE Sound Card choices for Mac Live Loop programs? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sat, 1 Mar 2003, Richard Zvonar wrote: > I've found only the one on-line vendor advertising the 410, and their > estimate is late March. I'll try to find out what the schedule is. Thanks for checking. I felt that if M-Audio had no idea when it'd be shipping, I didn't want to wait to find out :). > >If anyone else has other suggestions for my 3+channel recording needs, I'd > >appreciate hearing them. > > emagic EMI 6|2 m has six inputs and two outputs. Their 2|6 is the reverse. > > http://www.emagic.de/products/hw/emi62/index.php?lang=EN I had another knowledgeable friend also recommend the Emagic, which looks like it's a really strong contender for my next purchase. Great! thanks for the advice and the link, Steve http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 1 15:07:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27273; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 15:07:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 15:07:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 15:06:36 -0500 Subject: Re: Lexicon MPX G2 (internal Jamman) From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7hOEmC.A.6oG.OLRY-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com nope, didn't, but do give it a try. sounds workable to me... t. On 3/1/03 1:12 PM, "Matthias Grob" wrote: > todd reynolds helps: >> I used to, matthias... it works like a charm... >> >> the reverbs are not like what is promised... they are a bit of a >> disappointment compared to the 80 and 90..., but still very excellent. >> >> remember that the routing can be changed from serial to parallel at any >> point, so you might still be able to accomplish that effect using the jamman >> inside the unit itself... > > oh, right, it has a Jamman! Is is it also MIDIclocky? > would be great to record the bass line on it and then keep renewing > the theme on the synced EDP... did you do that? > > thank you! > >> >> t. >> >> On 2/27/03 2:34 PM, "Matthias Grob" wrote: >> >>> i finally had a closer look at that lexicon guitar effect and was >>> amazed about its insert feature. This allows to insert a looper and >>> have the filter/distortion/pitch effects before and the reverb after >>> the looper, so that could replace the PCM80 and 90 for me! >>> >>> Does anyone do that? >>> Is the reverb quality somehow in the range of the PCM80 (it certainly >>> does not match the 90 but there is no need on stage)? >>> >>> Its a pity that the Send is not stereo with panning, else we could >>> connect two EDPs to it and use them as two track or stereo >>> alternatively, just by changing the parameters at the G2! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 1 15:23:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29137; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 15:21:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 15:21:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Legion@helpwantedproductions.com Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 15:21:52 -0500 Subject: FS: Oberheim Echoplex w/foot controller- $500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, "analogue@hyperreal.org" , DH Message-id: <3E61165F.D5D81420@helpwantedproductions.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en Resent-Message-ID: <3NWQKB.A.4FH.UYRY-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It is with great regret that I've decided to sell my EPD AS IS. It has been sick for a while and I'm in the process of recording a new album and putting together a live show and just can't deal with it anymore. Here are the facts: Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro. Currently with V 5.0 Roms (original 3.2 Roms included) Includes perfectly working and almost new obie foot pedal. Memory upgraded (125 @ 1 loop on boot up). Has had the compression input mod done. I've used this on and off again for years. Don't even know how long I've had it (at least 5 probably a LOT more). it looks fine cosmetically (missing one knob "lid" which is how it was when I got it). I gigged with it maybe twice otherwise it's been in my studio or the rack since. I have no idea what these are going for or even if you can buy them anymore. I know I paid a fortune for it and it worked ok for a while but now it's developed some bad habits: 1. There is an annoying digital screech that comes up occasionally when you play with the input or output knobs. Sounds like a scratching noise not related to a bad knob. if i set the knobs and forget it it works better but sometimes still happens. 2. Occasionally it spontaneous reboots itself. Not always but enough that I can't trust it for live use anymore. Oddly I think it didn't have this problem with the 3.2 ROMs I could be wrong again of course. These problems could be anything but as should be apparent by now I am SICK of this thing. Years ago I begged and pleaded to find a qualified tech who was PROFESSIONAL and would just FIX this %$#@in thing (regardless of price) I never found anyone and of course Oberheim had the WORST customer service of ANY company I've ever dealt with. This may have changed (I know it was before Viscount took over) but I still couldn't find anyone who said they were very familiar with the unit. So, I'm dumping this mofo. It has incredible potential and as you can read in the archives there is NOTHING as cool as this when it's working. And it did work fine for quite some time. I'm asking $500 for everything (unit, pedal, cables, both sets of ROMS). of course the unit is sold AS IS. I have a ton of references (hell I'm *still* selling the Looper's Delight CD#1 if you want to find me) and will pack well for free and charge only actual shipping costs. If that price is not reasonable please make a serious offer. Keep in mind I paid a LOT more for all this and I'm VERY upset at how it turned out so please be serious and no low balls. It DOES work, just not enough and my lack of patience is your gain. Will answer any/all questions. The unit is sold to the first person to confirm the sale via phone at my asking price so please send your Phone # to speed things up. Epilogue: If anyone out there does know an HONEST and COMPETENT Echoplex tech then please let me know. Also if anyone knows where I can get the schematics that would also be appreciated as my local tech is good but won't touch it without them. Perhaps I'll try one more time although at this point I'd just as soon sell it and forget it ;( Thanks for looking! ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 1 16:08:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03350; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 16:05:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 16:05:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZFy6PZZm/xRLQpxF0fnrcvXaBdvl4F+OHImtpqML6xCVESRtbwRTFs Message-ID: <001701c2e036$37f5b2e0$6501a8c0@ldroby> From: "LeonD" To: References: <20030301191905.61407.qmail@web40513.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Considering Boomerang or EDP Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 16:04:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It sounds like you want some type of film transducer. I have a Pick Up The World (PUTW) #27 on my Lowden. It amplifies all sounds coming from the top and sides. Where you put it will determine the frequency that comes out. When you find the "sweet spot", it will sound just like your guitar, only louder. You will probably also need some type of preamp (external or internal; I use a Raven Labs Blender) to boost the signal. LeonD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louie Angulo" To: Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 2:19 PM Subject: Re: Considering Boomerang or EDP > Hi Jimmy, > I want to put a pick up on my acoustic so i can tap > and drum on it.Right now i only have a piezo fishman > on the bridge which doesnt do the job.I have been > reading about the rare earths and now of course about > the sunrise.What are your recomendations? > I also have the rang and i like it although the new > transpose modes woulb be really cool if they could be > accesed directly without having to stop the loop,no? > cu > L.a > > > > > > > > > check out my equipment page on > > http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com under 'music' > > when you can. i have pics of both the old rang and > > the new one. i also have > > a schematic for a simple routing system i've built > > for the rang allowing you > > to get up to 12 signals into the loop. 4 of the > > signals you can split to the > > house as well. very sweet! > > > > give me a shout if you have any more boomerang > > questions. i know the pedal > > very well. > > > > with the boomerangs simplicity set-up & functions i > > find i can dig deeper > > into the music and truly get the most out of my 'g' > > chord if you will. > > > > good luck and loop on! > > > > jimmy > > > > http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com > > http://www.jimmygeorgeband.com > > http://www.mousebearrecords.com > > > > > > > ===== > www.labalou.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 1 17:36:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15167; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 17:32:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 17:32:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030301223130.27414.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 14:31:30 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: OT acoustic pickups (for LOOPING!), was: Considering Boomerang or EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030301191905.61407.qmail@web40513.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Louie Angulo wrote: > I want to put a pick up on my acoustic so i can tap > and drum on it.Right now i only have a piezo fishman > on the bridge which doesnt do the job. A lot of the onboard pre's (the Fishman 'Blender', the Yamaha System 45, models from Pendulum and L.R.Baggs, etc.) have two inputs so you can mix an undersaddle with an internal lavalier mic element; while (as you've observed) the piezo won't pick up body tapping, the mic will. -t- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 1 18:30:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24188; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 18:30:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 18:30:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030301151953.03b82ea0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 15:29:43 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: FS: Oberheim Echoplex w/foot controller- $500 In-Reply-To: <3E61165F.D5D81420@helpwantedproductions.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <5yi6iB.A.a4F.oJUY-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:21 PM 3/1/2003, Legion@helpwantedproductions.com wrote: >Epilogue: If anyone out there does know an HONEST and COMPETENT Echoplex >tech then please let me know. Also if anyone knows where I can get the >schematics that would also be appreciated as my local tech is good but >won't touch it without them. Perhaps I'll try one more time although at >this point I'd just as soon sell it and forget it ;( Gibson has been doing Echoplex service at their strings and accessories division in Illinois with reasonable competency and honesty for several years now. Shane Radtke is the person to contact there. He can most likely fix the problems with this unit fairly easily. His contact info is readily available on the Looper's Delight echoplex page: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 1 18:31:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24374; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 18:31:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 18:31:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b601c2e04b$62f9c3e0$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents FaMished AMerica and PHOLDE Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 18:36:30 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Tuesday March 4th - FaMished AMerica and PHOLDE Out of the swirling, voracious airwaves of north amerika comes a cannibal vision for the ears. Armed with two radio receivers and sound processors (including Boomerang and Head Rush), the duo (Susanna Hood & Nilan Perera) pulls the threads of the AM / FM dimensiona into a graffiti wall of sound, creating compositions that can ONLY occur at the specific time and place that the performance occurs. Classical, easy listening, jazz, urban, dance, world, newsradio, classic rock, sports, specialty and community channels. The radio bands, from the highbrow to the sales channels are all lovingly shredded into works of poignancy and power. Susanna - http://www.humprojects.org/upcomingprojects.html Nilan - http://www.interlog.com/%7Espeeb/cinn_bio_perera.htm Opening the night is PHOLDE, the ambient project of Alan Bloor, who is also known for his extreme noise project called KNURL. PHOLDE creates ambient soundscapes by the bowing and scraping of his metal sound-sculptures with hand files, smooth and threaded metal rods, angle iron and blocks of hardened steel. This will be the official release event for the newest PHOLDE CD "...AND WITH IT, WE SHALL DIVIDE". http://www.pholde.com Between Sets CD - "FLUID - disc 2" by Jonathan Hughes/subspace A 2 CD set conceived to be played on 2 decks, with each 8 minute track designed to be compatible with any track on the opposite disc. * We're bring in an extra CD player tonight and putting it in 'random' mode so we can experience the 2 discs interacting the way the artist intended. http://darius.pce.net/subspace/subspace.html * rik maclean is putting the final touches on the new PiNG THiNGS Internet CD Store. Stay tuned for next week's announcement, particularly if you can't visit the PiNG to access the growing selection of unique ambient/chillout/experimental/triphop/dreampop CDs. Join rik's "ping things new releases" announcement list at: pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com to hear about the latest... * Scroll to the end of each PiNG Update for rik's weekly CD Reviews. This week - "Seed" by Ma Ja Le and James Johnson . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the PiNG THiNGS ambient/experimental CD boutique. Drop off food at PiNG THiNGS for the Daily Bread Food Bank too. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday March 11th - The Godawful Noise http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/%7Edfevans/godawfulnoise/ Between Sets CD - "Les Landes" by The Widening Gyre (2002) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . * rik maclean's PiNG THiNGS' CD REViEWs "Seed" by Ma Ja Le and James Johnson Fans of both James Johnson's and Ma Ja Le's work will no doubt be thrilled by this release, a musical meeting of minds that produces a fantastic work of beauty and magic. Subtle textures and oblique movement permeate throughout the disc creating a shimmering cocoon that enshrouds the listener, drawing them deeper into an otherworldly state of being. Light percussion passes through leaving ripples and vapor trails behind in their wake. A passing flute, or is it something more exotic? Other sounds float by, caressing you as you drift further and further away from the physical world and into this new land of wonder. A sheer delight from start to end. To hear samples from the disc visit http://www.zeromusic.net rik maclean - torment@corpusnet.com Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com to hear about *all* the latest releases on sale at PiNG THiNGS. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 1 18:51:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27001; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 18:50:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 18:50:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Legion@helpwantedproductions.com Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 18:51:35 -0500 Subject: Old Skool To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-id: <3E614787.C54C4888@helpwantedproductions.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en Resent-Message-ID: <61DP3.A.HlG.-cUY-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm in the process of putting together an all guitar synth live show. using a Casio PG380 and Roland GR300/G303. I've put a live MP3 online at my pages: http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/guitsyn.htm It's all live GR300 with a little help from a Line6 DL delay (in loop mode). No overdubs or other effects. Simple, minimal, and to the point. I'm happy to say it was due to input from members of this list years ago that I even got the GR300. Now it's my favorite guitar/synth combination. Here's a little thank you :) Enjoy! __________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 1 20:18:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08610; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 20:17:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 20:17:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.130.167.160] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Lexicon MPX G2 (internal Jamman) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 20:16:20 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Mar 2003 01:16:21.0237 (UTC) FILETIME=[55958A50:01C2E059] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was looking at the G2 for a while but I think someone here mentioned that there was noise issues & also that the reverb from the LXP-1 was better sounding. No?? Also, 2 of my friends had some problems with that lexicon foot switch too...I really like Lexicon stuff so this was a bummer to hear. >From: todd reynolds >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: Lexicon MPX G2 (internal Jamman) >Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 15:06:36 -0500 > >nope, didn't, but do give it a try. sounds workable to me... >t. >On 3/1/03 1:12 PM, "Matthias Grob" wrote: > > > todd reynolds helps: > >> I used to, matthias... it works like a charm... > >> > >> the reverbs are not like what is promised... they are a bit of a > >> disappointment compared to the 80 and 90..., but still very excellent. > >> > >> remember that the routing can be changed from serial to parallel at any > >> point, so you might still be able to accomplish that effect using the >jamman > >> inside the unit itself... > > > > oh, right, it has a Jamman! Is is it also MIDIclocky? > > would be great to record the bass line on it and then keep renewing > > the theme on the synced EDP... did you do that? > > > > thank you! > > > >> > >> t. > >> > >> On 2/27/03 2:34 PM, "Matthias Grob" wrote: > >> > >>> i finally had a closer look at that lexicon guitar effect and was > >>> amazed about its insert feature. This allows to insert a looper and > >>> have the filter/distortion/pitch effects before and the reverb after > >>> the looper, so that could replace the PCM80 and 90 for me! > >>> > >>> Does anyone do that? > >>> Is the reverb quality somehow in the range of the PCM80 (it certainly > >>> does not match the 90 but there is no need on stage)? > >>> > >>> Its a pity that the Send is not stereo with panning, else we could > >>> connect two EDPs to it and use them as two track or stereo > >>> alternatively, just by changing the parameters at the G2! > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 1 23:22:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04880; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 23:21:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 23:21:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030302042059.22534.qmail@web41001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 20:20:59 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: FS: Line 6 MM-4 and Rare Goodrich Stereo Pedal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200303012108.QAA03762@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For sale: Line 6 Modulation Modeller. Excellent condition, very minor scratches, WITH power supply and manual. Original Line 6 box. $180 + shipping. Rare (custom made) Goodrich Stereo Volume Pedal. Steel guitar players swear by these pedals. This one is stereo (1 in, 2 out or stereo in, stereo out). One of the channels is a bit quieter than the other so I'm asking regular price for a used mono pedal. If you are looking for a fantastic mono pedal at a good price, this is it. If you're willing to do a little hunting around for a new volume pot, this is a great deal on a stereo pedal. $70 + shipping. Photos available on request. Please don't make me list them on eBay!!! And please don't bust my balls on these prices. I'll hold firm regardless. :) Stephen P.S. Mark, if you're reading this (you know you are) don't ever sell your Mo-FX or else I'll never talk to you again. (Unless you sell it to me for $100 that is...) (like I need two of em...) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 2 03:55:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA13271; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 03:51:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 03:51:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Robert van der Kamp Reply-To: robnet@wxs.nl To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Lexicon MPX G2 Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 09:50:42 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <3E5ECB59.5070507@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <3E5ECB59.5070507@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200303020950.42621.robnet@wxs.nl> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday 28 February 2003 03:37, Matthew F. McCabe wrote: > Matthias, > > I don't know how it compares to the PCM80/90, but I own > the MPX-1 and have been pleasantly surprised with the > reverbs. I believe the MPX-G2 has better A/D/A > converters so it probably sounds smoother. It *definately* sounds smoother. I compared the two of them and concluded that I will not touch a MPX-1, ever. Looooove my G2, btw. - Robert From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 2 07:01:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA08120; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 07:00:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 07:00:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 06:58:46 EST Subject: Re: LIne 6 Filter Mod Pro Midi synch To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hey, > > I know we've talked a lot about the Delay Pro not doing well synching to > a MIDI clock. Has anyone tried the Filter pro or Mod Pro for MIDI clock > synched loop mangelage? Good? Bad? > > Mark Yes, I've had a Filter Pro synced to my EDPs. 1) no problems with sync 2) easy to change the note value on the Filter in order to change the LFO speed 3) you can set the start point of the LFO by pressing the tap time once. I don't think I really checked out if the filter stayed in sync when the EDP tempo changed. (having too much fun) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 2 12:56:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13404; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 12:56:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 12:56:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:46:22 +0000 Subject: Re: LIVE Sound Card choices for Mac Live Loop programs? From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00b001c33e22$edd3d980$5a64f93f@global> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have an M-box and I am waiting to receive the ultra low latency drivers written by propagamma (check http://www.usb-audio.com/). These drivers promise very low latency across USB. I will let u know if they work when I recieve them in the next couple of days. Can't help thinking though that a firewire audio interface would be more reliable and just plainly a better use of $400, depends if u can wait for the m-audio one to come out. However u do get pro-tools 6 with the M-box! Geoff on 29/6/03 9:43 am, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL at GLOBAL@cruzio.com wrote: > Hi gang, > > I would love some off list replies to the following questions > if anyone has the time or inclination to help me out. > > I want to get a breakout box that > will allow me to do real time stereo audio > input into a MAC Titanium powerbook (800 mghz). > No, I don't want an 8 channel in MOTU or equivalent. > > The Lowest Latency possible with the most inexpensive > price is what I'm looking for. > > I'm a complete newbie to the MAC side of things (being a die > hard PC guy for the last 4 years) so I am incredibly > naive and unknowledgeable about my options. > > I have heard that USB boxes (like DigiDesigns M-Box) could have > potential latency problems and I want to drive Antares fantastic > new audio driven synth, KANTOS with a vocal or instrument mic > with the least possible degree of latency. > > Is firewire the way to go? > > Are there any stereo firewired audio-computer boxes out there that > are both small in size (which is a definite consideration since I will > be touring Europe and the British Isles this summer) > and somewhat manageable economically? > > I'd appreciate any and all advise from you loopers. > > After NAMM, seeing KANTOS, Ableton's LIVE, Steve Duda's Devine-Machine > (looping > program) and Cycling 74's RADIAL, Ms. Pinky and JITTER I decided to take > the > plunge (please oh please don't bury me with "I told you sos" from the Mac > crowd.......LOL). > > yours, Rick Walker > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 2 13:27:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17497; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 13:24:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 13:24:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006501c2e0e8$94749ce0$7e134f51@e1v8b1> Reply-To: "Lee Fletcher" From: "Lee Fletcher" To: Subject: Slightly OT: CENTROZOON Update - March 2003 Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 18:21:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Loopers, I'm sending the following Press Release to the list, as doubtless many of you will be familiar with the work of looping / touchstyle guitarist Markus Reuter, and his principle band CENTROZOON. I hope that you'll find it interesting. Regards, Lee - - - - - - CENTROZOON: News Update - March 2003 Dear Friends, Here's the latest news from the CENTROZOON camp: * Debut Trio Release CENTROZOON's forthcoming CD 'The Scent Of Crash & Burn' is now available as a pre-order via Burning Shed's on-line store: http://www.burningshed.com This eclectic EP showcases recent collaborations between core instrumentalists Markus Reuter (touch guitar) & Bernhard Wostheinrich (synthesizers & programming), and English singer Tim Bowness (of No-Man). Co-produced and mixed by Markus's [halo] partner, Lee Fletcher, and featuring additional contributions from electronic musician Philipp Muench(Synapscape / Show Of Exaggeration), 'TSOCAB' combines contemporary electronica with Tim's svelte vocals, and a healthy degree of freeform soundscapes. Tracklist: 01 Ten Versions Of America (trg radio edit) 02 Make Me Forget You 03 The Me I Knew 04 The Scent Of Crash & Burn 05 Ten Versions Of America An excerpt from 'The Me I Knew' is currently available as a free download from CENTROZOON's official site: http://www.centrozoon.de The CD can be ordered now for 5.00 UK Pounds directly from Burning Shed, with an expected release date of 31st March 2003. * New Website / Free Membership The official CENTROZOON website has recently undergone a make-over, incorporating several new features, and laying the foundations for a special new Member's Area. Visitors can sign-up directly from the website, and membership will remain FREE until the end of 2003. Members can expect access to at least 120 minutes of free exclusive music per year! Please access http://www.centrozoon.de for further details. * New No-Man Album Concurrent with the release of CENTROZOON's new EP on the 31st March, No-Man launch their much anticipated follow-up to 2001's 'Returning Jesus' album on the same day. 'Together We're Stranger' will be released through the K-Scope/Snapper label, and is available for pre-order via Burning Shed right now. Augmenting the central performances of Tim Bowness and multi-instrumentalist Steve Wilson are key contributions from Ben Castle (clarinet), Roger Eno (harmonium), and Gramophone's David Pickering (trumpet & percussion), amongst others. Three RealAudio samples are currently available from the official No-Man website: http://www.no-man.co.uk * [halo] Website Updates The official [halo] website (http://halo.markusreuter.com) is currently offline for maintenance, but will return shortly in a new format with further content from Markus, Lisa, and Lee. An EP, provisionally titled 'Hobo Magnetism', is currently in post-production and will be released by mid 2003. Markus will join the others in England for fresh sessions in April. Best wishes from the whole CENTROZOON Team! http://www.centrozoon.de http://www.burningshed.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 2 13:29:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17796; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 13:26:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 13:26:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 13:26:25 -0500 Subject: Re: Lexicon MPX G2 (internal Jamman) From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com that was me, on all counts... mine is now sitting with a friend, happily unused... t. On 3/1/03 8:16 PM, "Louis Rossi" wrote: > I was looking at the G2 for a while but I think someone here mentioned that > there was noise issues & also that the reverb from the LXP-1 was better > sounding. No?? Also, 2 of my friends had some problems with that lexicon > foot switch too...I really like Lexicon stuff so this was a bummer to hear. > > > >> From: todd reynolds >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> To: >> Subject: Re: Lexicon MPX G2 (internal Jamman) >> Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 15:06:36 -0500 >> >> nope, didn't, but do give it a try. sounds workable to me... >> t. >> On 3/1/03 1:12 PM, "Matthias Grob" wrote: >> >>> todd reynolds helps: >>>> I used to, matthias... it works like a charm... >>>> >>>> the reverbs are not like what is promised... they are a bit of a >>>> disappointment compared to the 80 and 90..., but still very excellent. >>>> >>>> remember that the routing can be changed from serial to parallel at any >>>> point, so you might still be able to accomplish that effect using the >> jamman >>>> inside the unit itself... >>> >>> oh, right, it has a Jamman! Is is it also MIDIclocky? >>> would be great to record the bass line on it and then keep renewing >>> the theme on the synced EDP... did you do that? >>> >>> thank you! >>> >>>> >>>> t. >>>> >>>> On 2/27/03 2:34 PM, "Matthias Grob" wrote: >>>> >>>>> i finally had a closer look at that lexicon guitar effect and was >>>>> amazed about its insert feature. This allows to insert a looper and >>>>> have the filter/distortion/pitch effects before and the reverb after >>>>> the looper, so that could replace the PCM80 and 90 for me! >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone do that? >>>>> Is the reverb quality somehow in the range of the PCM80 (it certainly >>>>> does not match the 90 but there is no need on stage)? >>>>> >>>>> Its a pity that the Send is not stereo with panning, else we could >>>>> connect two EDPs to it and use them as two track or stereo >>>>> alternatively, just by changing the parameters at the G2! >>> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 2 13:44:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19937; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 13:41:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 13:41:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 10:37:45 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: don't ever sell your Mo-FX or else! In-reply-to: <20030302042059.22534.qmail@web41001.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <0F1B93DA-4CDE-11D7-A328-0003934CD2FA@zerocrossing.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6Ebp9B.A.51E.JBlY-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com heh, I decided that for now the Mo-FX is safe. To solve space issues I just got another 6 space rack, so that should hold me for a while. However, I almost did post a message here offering the Mo-FX and Warp Factory for $500. Don't hate me because I'm crazy. Mark On Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 08:20 PM, S V G wrote: > > P.S. Mark, if you're reading this (you know you are) don't ever > sell your Mo-FX or else I'll > never talk to you again. (Unless you sell it to me for $100 that > is...) (like I need two of > em...) > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 2 17:07:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11608; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:06:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:06:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004a01c2dec8$65a60600$b90efea9@link2> References: <003401c2deaf$bb39b6c0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <004a01c2dec8$65a60600$b90efea9@link2> Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 19:05:25 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: live looping drum machine? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I'd suggest the new software called devine machine instead of Live >Ableton if u want to edit the loops. >Ableton is too much static... >www.devine-machine.com well, since I asked that question first... no I dont want to edit ready loops, I want to create the drums in real time in a cheap simple way. Giba wants to complete his organic percussion with some fat precise constant drums, sometimes, and preferably not loop this sound in this EDP in order to have some constant base which gives more liberty to keep renewing the loop on top... > > > > The HR16 and the QY20 cannot be programmed when they are >> slaved to the >> > loopers MIDIclock and playing I find this essencial though, >> to be able >> > to change the drum pattern just as we change the loops >> while playing! >> > >> > So, please, which are the machines that can do it? > > >Hmm... Does it have to be a drum machine? If you have a laptop you can >run Ableton Live slaved to midi clock. And that software will let you >assign just any midi controller to any parameter. I'm going to check >this out myself ASAP ;-) Just an idea.... > >Best wishes > >Per Boysen >________________ >www.boysen.se >www.looproom.com --> 1st Swedish Looping Festival -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 2 17:07:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11883; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:07:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:07:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 19:06:49 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Undo Problem in Loop IV? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >HI, Do any of you know about a problem undoing a 'layer' of music >from ALL cycles after a multiply has been done? A long press of >UNDO erases the newest layer from all cycles EXCEPT the first one! >(My memory is at max.) >Here is a simple example: >1. RECORD a drum beat for a few measures. Say it is 4 seconds long. >2. MULTIPLY a guitar line over it. Play and record the guitar >through 4 cycles, so that the resulting loop is now 16 seconds long >(4seconds X 4cycles). >3 UNDO - Do a 'long' press, and the guitar part, played over all 4 >cycles is now gone, EXCEPT for the part existing during the first >cycle. >4. Short presses do not help and also, there are similar examples >to the above where the UNDO function is not even available at all, >at any time. > >IS THIS A BUG?? I did not have this problem using the Loop III V.5 >which i am about to reinstall to make this sucker work! >Thank you for any of your answers - Patty in SF No, its not a bug, but when you use Multiply immediately (without doing some Overdub or FB reduction) after Record, you get a problem really. Just imagine how the sound is kept in memory: You have one cycle recorded and we keep coping that to another cycle, ready to register eventual changes. As long as you dont do anything more, we just alternate between those two copies. Now you do Multiply, which copies one of those cycles (depends on when you press Multiply exactly) 4 times with your new overdubs. So you have 5 or 6 cycles in the memory now. Now you want undo all overdubs. But we dont have 4 subsequent cycles without overdubs in the memory! So the solution is: Multiply by 1 (press Multiply twice in a row) at the beginning of the 4 cycles Then press Undo to get rid of the overdub on that cycle -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 2 17:07:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11879; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:07:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:07:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200303020950.42621.robnet@wxs.nl> References: <3E5ECB59.5070507@earthlink.net> <200303020950.42621.robnet@wxs.nl> Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 19:06:49 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Lexicon MPX G2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you everybody for those informations. It reinforces my impression that this unit is especially suited for looping since: - it has a looper in it - it can send and receive MIDIclock to sync this internal looper to an external - it has a insert between two effect stages for the external looper and - you can choose for any effect to be before or after the inserted looper. Seems you dont quite agree on the reverb quality... I sometimes use very long reverb, over 20sec, so I wonder... I am amazed that no one seems to have experience in syncing the internal looper with an external one. Gary tried without success I suggest to start with the G2 being source, so the manual sais: "Clock Send You can choose to have the MPX G2 transmit MIDI Clock at the current tempo rate by setting this control to On and Tempo Source (in the Edit menu) to Internal. " Did you try this Gary? And set the EDPs Sync=IN and watch the green dots flashing? Once it works, please try to record a loop on both units and keep them running a while to see whether they fall apart. Once this works, it might be interesting to try the other direction, but if they really use the same soft as for the Jamman, this may be the wrong way, since many reported clicks from the Jamman when its slaved. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 2 17:07:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11961; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:07:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:07:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00fa01c2de9e$dd282570$6501a8c0@neil> References: <00fa01c2de9e$dd282570$6501a8c0@neil> Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 19:06:59 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: live looping drum machine? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thank you, Neil! > >I confirmed you can start the 323 with an empty pattern and slave to >sync (I tested with EDP with sync=out) and the metronome on the 323 >plays and you can program new patterns. On this machine all the >programming is done by playing the pads, rather than grid style like the >Electribe or MC303. > >While it is still playing in sync, you can press the Pause key to >suspend recording, so you can audition the sounds assigned to each pad. >There are 2 kits, a bass track, and recordable midi track (for sending >to external gear) for each pattern. > >The Groove Play mode makes it so each pad plays a different pattern, up >to 4 simultaneous. > >So with some mastery of this 323 you can program your new patterns and >choose up to 4 simultaneous, while in sync with your loop. > >Too bad about the poor display... > >Neil -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 2 17:07:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11967; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:07:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:07:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <1C7041B8F9E88F4BA1F23A63FC0CDACDBBCE2C@engin-mail1.engin.umich.edu> Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 19:06:49 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: LIVE Sound Card choices for Mac Live Loop programs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <_Xp3UD.A.b4C.9BoY-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 12:24 PM -0500 3/1/03, Clark, Darcy wrote: >>I bought a Digigram VXPocket v2 card...The latency is about 11ms > >The RME Hammerfall equivalent has a theoretical latency down to 1.5 >mS, though one reviewer claimed 5 to 6 mS with a fairly complex load >including effects and virtual instruments. recently thought about latency: at sound speed of 300m/s, 10ms of delay corresponds to 3m distance, right So to fight with latencies below 10ms is like not walking on the stage... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 2 17:08:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11971; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:07:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:07:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030227204414.90491.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030227204414.90491.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 19:06:49 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Considering Boomerang or EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >The blondes at Alot are maxed out in the memory >department with loop3 -- I believe all EDP's are loop4 >upgradeable. sure >Check out the archives for the past two >weeks -- there was a huge thread on the differences >between the new one and the blonde. one main post by the manufacturer Andy Even -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 2 17:08:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11890; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:07:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:07:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030227200958.60587.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030227200958.60587.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 19:06:49 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Spring loaded pedals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >They don't return from the heel position to the center, but they do >pop up from >the toe to a preset place. There's an adjustment in them to set the >position of >that. Perhaps it's disabled in your's? > >Check out the description at: >http://yamaha.com/cgi-win/webcgi.exe/DsplyModel/?gEKS00001FC7 > oh, great, sounds like a perfect pedal for FB: step on it to make the FB >1 so the loop grows with every repetition... well, the EDP soft is not ready for this, but could be adapted... and it still might not be acurate enough to really hit FB=1 to get eternal repetition... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 2 17:15:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13791; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:14:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:14:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <52DBF4E0-4B64-11D7-9A91-000393CE40C6@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 19:14:28 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: [T] Killer deal on Nuendo Mac! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 1:33 PM -0800 2/28/03, nathan pease wrote: >>FWIW, my understanding is that nuendo runs considerably better on >>PC than on Mac. I don't know if they've addressed this in 2.0. > >From what I've been told, version 2 will have a great many improvements. > >I don't know what running "considerably better" means, but I have >friends who run Nuendo on the Mac and are quite happy. >-- I have a mac V1.52 crack and it has some severe bugs, but its so good I use it anyway, simply avoiding certain functions... they say there is a 1.6 or so upgrade whitch fixes those bugs, though... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 2 17:37:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15531; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:34:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:34:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: "'Loopers-Delight'" Subject: Repeater owners question Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 14:35:11 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c2e10b$fcaad860$6501a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2E0C8.EE879860" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2E0C8.EE879860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For saved RPTR loops on the Compact flash card. Is there any software that can convert the saved WAV loops so they can be seamlessly used in Live or Logic? As they stand they have an unpredictable amount of time at the front and tail of the loop. I remember someone was gonna write a utility for that, but he disappeared from the Electronix sponsored forum. I lost track at the point he was going to release an alpha copy. Any info appreciated Neil ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2E0C8.EE879860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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I remember someone was gonna write a utility for = that, but he disappeared from the Electronix sponsored forum. I lost track at the = point he was going to release an alpha = copy…

 

Any info appreciated

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2E0C8.EE879860-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 2 17:41:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15849; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:37:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:37:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Lexicon MPX G2 Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 14:37:22 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I will keep trying to sync these units I have not have any success so far Has anyone else? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 2 17:41:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16021; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:38:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:38:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030302223729.92571.qmail@web40308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 14:37:29 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: FS: Oberheim Echoplex w/foot controller- $500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3E61165F.D5D81420@helpwantedproductions.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com has it sold yet? --- Legion@helpwantedproductions.com wrote: > It is with great regret that I've decided to sell my > EPD AS IS. It has > been sick for a while and I'm in the process of > recording a new album > and putting together a live show and just can't > deal with it anymore. > Here are the facts: > > Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro. Currently with V 5.0 > Roms (original 3.2 > Roms included) Includes perfectly working and almost > new obie foot > pedal. Memory upgraded (125 @ 1 loop on boot up). > Has had the > compression input mod done. > > I've used this on and off again for years. Don't > even know how long I've > had it (at least 5 probably a LOT more). it looks > fine cosmetically > (missing one knob "lid" which is how it was when I > got it). I gigged > with it maybe twice otherwise it's been in my studio > or the rack since. > > I have no idea what these are going for or even if > you can buy them > anymore. I know I paid a fortune for it and it > worked ok for a while but > now it's developed some bad habits: > > 1. There is an annoying digital screech that comes > up occasionally when > you play with the input or output knobs. Sounds like > a scratching noise > not related to a bad knob. if i set the knobs and > forget it it works > better but sometimes still happens. > > 2. Occasionally it spontaneous reboots itself. Not > always but enough > that I can't trust it for live use anymore. Oddly I > think it didn't have > this problem with the 3.2 ROMs I could be wrong > again of course. > > These problems could be anything but as should be > apparent by now I am > SICK of this thing. Years ago I begged and pleaded > to find a qualified > tech who was PROFESSIONAL and would just FIX this > %$#@in thing > (regardless of price) I never found anyone and of > course Oberheim had > the WORST customer service of ANY company I've ever > dealt with. This may > have changed (I know it was before Viscount took > over) but I still > couldn't find anyone who said they were very > familiar with the unit. > > So, I'm dumping this mofo. It has incredible > potential and as you can > read in the archives there is NOTHING as cool as > this when it's > working. And it did work fine for quite some time. > > I'm asking $500 for everything (unit, pedal, cables, > both sets of ROMS). > of course the unit is sold AS IS. I have a ton of > references (hell I'm > *still* selling the Looper's Delight CD#1 if you > want to find me) and > will pack well for free and charge only actual > shipping costs. > > If that price is not reasonable please make a > serious offer. Keep in > mind I paid a LOT more for all this and I'm VERY > upset at how it turned > out so please be serious and no low balls. It DOES > work, just not enough > and my lack of patience is your gain. > > Will answer any/all questions. The unit is sold to > the first person to > confirm the sale via phone at my asking price so > please send your Phone > # to speed things up. > > Epilogue: If anyone out there does know an HONEST > and COMPETENT Echoplex > tech then please let me know. Also if anyone knows > where I can get the > schematics that would also be appreciated as my > local tech is good but > won't touch it without them. Perhaps I'll try one > more time although at > this point I'd just as soon sell it and forget it ;( > > Thanks for looking! > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - > Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com > "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music > since we started..." > > Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery > with pictures and > info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, > Casios, and more. > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 2 17:47:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16812; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:43:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:43:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030302143231.02acf070@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 14:42:35 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Lexicon MPX G2 In-Reply-To: References: <200303020950.42621.robnet@wxs.nl> <3E5ECB59.5070507@earthlink.net> <200303020950.42621.robnet@wxs.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:06 PM 3/2/2003, Matthias Grob wrote: >I am amazed that no one seems to have experience in syncing the internal >looper with an external one. there is a section for the MPX-G2 on the Looper's Delight site with a couple of reviews of its looping functions: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/MPX-G2/MPX-G2.html If you check the list archives (there is a link on that page to do the search) there are several discussions about it, including about midi sync. Apparently Lexicon said the looper can sync to midi clock, but I didn't see anybody who had tried it.... (I didn't look very long though, maybe someone did) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 2 19:49:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30066; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 19:45:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 19:45:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000001c2e10b$fcaad860$6501a8c0@neil> References: <000001c2e10b$fcaad860$6501a8c0@neil> Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 16:43:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: New Live Looping mp3's online Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: -6 () IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_02_03 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.29 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just put up some mp3's from our gig last Thursday. The address is http://www.newandimprov.com/TopDeadCenter.html This is the trio that performed at the Portland Loopfest Au-go-go, Matt Calkins on saxes, JD Monroe on turntables, and me on keys, loops and lotsa crap. The recording's far from perfect, I'm too loud, the sax is too quiet, but it's representative of what we do. Enjoy! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 2 20:23:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02198; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 20:18:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 20:18:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Lexicon MPX G2 is Syncing with Echoplex Digital Pro Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:18:06 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030302143231.02acf070@loopers-delight.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have managed to get the EDP to receive clock from and stay in sync with the G2. I sure wish I had more time to spend on this stuff. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 2 20:42:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05125; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 20:41:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 20:41:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 17:40:24 -0800 Subject: Re: New Live Looping mp3's online To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <29AHQ.A.FPB.2KrY-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I just put up some mp3's from our gig last Thursday. The address is > http://www.newandimprov.com/TopDeadCenter.html > > This is the trio that performed at the Portland Loopfest Au-go-go, > Matt Calkins on saxes, JD Monroe on turntables, and me on keys, loops > and lotsa crap. The recording's far from perfect, I'm too loud, the > sax is too quiet, but it's representative of what we do. Enjoy! > too this-too that? nahhhhhh...i think it sounds great! looponn s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 2 21:05:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08537; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 21:04:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 21:04:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Legion@helpwantedproductions.com Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 21:05:14 -0500 Subject: Re: FS: Oberheim Echoplex w/foot controller- $500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3E62B85A.27AC9CE5@helpwantedproductions.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <20030302223729.92571.qmail@web40308.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just a follow-up THANKS to all the friendly people who have written letting me know about Shawn @ oberheim in chicago and the apparently good service that is now available for the unit. After thinking about it for the weekend and looking at my needs I've decided to sell the unit anyway. I mostly use the unit for layering and reverse (back in the day there weren't all the units that we have now) so I am better off with a simpler and more stable unit (hell, I'm working fine with the DL4 right now) My feeling is if it's an easy fix then whoever buys it gets even more of a bargain, I'm just ready to move on. I've had a few offers @ $500 + shipping but no confirmed sales. Again, the first person to confirm the sale via phone first and pays ASAP gets it. Of course I will still gladly answer any/all questions. Thanks! Evan Meyers wrote: > has it sold yet? > > > It is with great regret that I've decided to sell my EPD AS IS. It > has been sick for a while and I'm in the process of > > recording a new album and putting together a live show and just > can't deal with it anymore. Here are the facts: > > > > Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro. Currently with V 5.0 Roms (original > 3.2 Roms included) Includes perfectly working and almost new obie > foot pedal. Memory upgraded (125 @ 1 loop on boot up). Has had the > compression input mod done. > > > > I've used this on and off again for years. Don't even know how long > I've had it (at least 5 probably a LOT more). it looks > > fine cosmetically (missing one knob "lid" which is how it was when > I got it). I gigged with it maybe twice otherwise it's been in my > studio or the rack since. > > > > I have no idea what these are going for or even if you can buy them > anymore. I know I paid a fortune for it and it > > worked ok for a while but now it's developed some bad habits: > > > > 1. There is an annoying digital screech that comes up occasionally > when you play with the input or output knobs. Sounds like a > scratching noise not related to a bad knob. if i set the knobs and > forget it it works better but sometimes still happens. > > > > 2. Occasionally it spontaneous reboots itself. Not always but > enough that I can't trust it for live use anymore. Oddly I > > think it didn't have this problem with the 3.2 ROMs I could be > wrong again of course. > > > > So, I'm dumping this mofo. It has incredible potential and as you > can read in the archives there is NOTHING as cool as > > this when it's > working. And it did work fine for quite some time. > > > > > I'm asking $500 for everything (unit, pedal, cables, both sets of > ROMS). of course the unit is sold AS IS. I have a ton of > > references (hell I'm *still* selling the Looper's Delight CD#1 if > you want to find me) and will pack well for free and charge only > actual shipping costs. > > > > If that price is not reasonable please make a serious offer. Keep > in mind I paid a LOT more for all this and I'm VERY > > upset at how it turned > out so please be serious and no low balls. > It DOES work, just not enough and my lack of patience is your gain. > > > > Will answer any/all questions. The unit is sold to the first person > to confirm the sale via phone at my asking price so > > please send your Phone # to speed things up. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 2 21:33:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10693; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 21:29:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 21:29:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030301223130.27414.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 18:35:43 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Re: OT acoustic pickups (for LOOPING!), was: Considering Boomerang or EDP Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had trouble with percussive tapping with a b-band. I think its 9 volt power supply is under powered and lacks some dynamic range. The new Duncan Timbreline I have is an 18 volt system that has greater dynamic range, so when you wack the guitar it does'nt break up as easily. Its great for tapping on the bridge, but does'nt really translate upper bout and soundboard taps as well as a multi-source system. I just tried a Duncan mag mic, and saw Lawrence Juber perform at Namm using one. It combines a mic and a sound hole magnetic pickup in one unit. the magnetic pickup reminded me of the Sunrise which I have in an Hawaiin lap guitar. the mic sounded suprisingly good, and I tend to not like the sound of internal mics, as they are are feedback and sound like they are inside rather than outside the guitar. Though pricey, the Duncan mag mic pickup blew me away. Something like that coupled with a good undersaddle piezo would be my dream system. Also, you will get more response to percussive taps with piezos mounted to the under side of the sound board than to saddle mounted systems. They get a woodier sound. Any good internal preamped pickup system can use piezo sensors rather than an under the saddle element. Hope that helps Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 2 21:49:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12290; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 21:46:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 21:46:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E62C1F2.761E845C@iwvisp.com> Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 18:46:11 -0800 From: dirt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FS: Oberheim Echoplex w/foot controller- $500 References: <20030302223729.92571.qmail@web40308.mail.yahoo.com> <3E62B85A.27AC9CE5@helpwantedproductions.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Howdy again Dave - Legion@helpwantedproductions.com wrote: > > shipping but no confirmed sales. Again, the first person to confirm the > sale via phone first and pays ASAP gets it. (grins) PICK ME MONTY, I'LL CALL YA! Umm.. what's yer number? Seriously, if you need a real-live-over-the-phone voice confirmation, just let me know when to call, your phone number, and I'd be happy to call. I've gotta go out and fix somebody's water well for the next few hours right now, so it might be pretty late for you when I get back. Maybe tomorrow morn if that'd be better? Thanks - dirt (aka Daniel Pratt) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 2 21:54:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12805; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 21:50:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 21:50:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E62C2F6.E0604869@iwvisp.com> Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 18:50:30 -0800 From: dirt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FS: Oberheim Echoplex w/foot controller- $500 (oops) References: <20030302223729.92571.qmail@web40308.mail.yahoo.com> <3E62B85A.27AC9CE5@helpwantedproductions.com> <3E62C1F2.761E845C@iwvisp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oops. sorry 'bout that folks. 'twas meant for Dave - d From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 2 22:01:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13695; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 21:58:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 21:58:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <8362826.1046660294562.JavaMail.jarofjam@mac.com> Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 18:58:14 -0800 From: John Metzler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP 'Err" Help PLEASE. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello everyone. I am off and on the subscription for this site. Sometimes it's just too many emails to sort through. I have an Echoplex and last night I tried to hook up the MIDI to my mac and use pro tool to triger the edp. My edp freaked out and got stuck with all digit lights on. I turned it off and on again and it now says "Err". No mater what I do that's all it will do. Please, someone, advise me as to whats going on and how to fix it. Thanks in advance. ---John M. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 2 22:34:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18599; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 22:33:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 22:33:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030303033310.4263.qmail@web11408.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 19:33:10 -0800 (PST) From: "Rich R." Subject: Re: New Live Looping mp3's online To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sounds great! It amazes me sometimes that there are venues for avant garde music. Around my neck of the woods I can only think of one or possibly two venues for truly artistic music (or "music" if you prefer). Otherwise you have to create your own. Anyway, I haven't gotten to the huge files as I'm using a dial up at home, but I do plan to load the rest up. What I'm hearing so far is wonderful. I love the sparse vocal elements of the 2mb+ file, especially the "Thank You" at the end. Did you perhaps close the set with that? --- Dave Trenkel wrote: > This is the trio that performed at the Portland > Loopfest Au-go-go, > Matt Calkins on saxes, JD Monroe on turntables, and > me on keys, loops > and lotsa crap. The recording's far from perfect, > I'm too loud, the > sax is too quiet, but it's representative of what we > do. Enjoy! > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 2 22:41:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19633; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 22:41:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 22:41:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030302193113.02b0a128@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 19:40:51 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP 'Err" Help PLEASE. In-Reply-To: <8362826.1046660294562.JavaMail.jarofjam@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:58 PM 3/2/2003, John Metzler wrote: >I have an Echoplex and last night I tried to hook up the MIDI to my mac >and use pro tool to triger the edp. My edp freaked out and got stuck with >all digit lights on. I turned it off and on again and it now says >"Err". No mater what I do that's all it will do. Please, someone, advise >me as to whats going on and how to fix it. it means one or more of the following: a. you are using LoopIII because LoopIV doesn't give that error anymore. b. you have a mono cable plugged into the BrotherSync jack c. you have a cable plugged into either the BrotherSync or Overdub jacks that is shorting for some reason. d. One of those jacks is broken and shorting internally. e. you have a lot of things connected on BrotherSync and are using one of the very early Echoplex units that don't protect well enough against that. Start by disconnecting cables. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 2 22:55:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20957; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 22:54:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 22:54:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 16:08:31 -0800 Subject: Re: Lexicon MPX G2 From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was going to say that the Roland GP100 scores reasonably well on this front as well. It has a stereo effects loop that supports placement at arbitrary positions in the signal chain. It also has two outputs which can be helpful as a way to add some final effects is you have another mixer available afterwards. On the other hand, it doesn't have a looper and it doesn't have MIDI syncable effects. I also really doubt that it's reverb can match Lexicon's. (And 20 seconds is nothing. I used to love to crank the reverb time on my SPX90 up to 99 seconds. Great fun when used in conjunction with the cheap little Korg drum machine I had at the time.) Mark P.S. My signal path from the Santa Cruz Y2K2 show: guitar --> floor effects --> GP100 --> effects send effects send --> Filter Queen --> DL8000R --> effects return GP100 output A --> EDP --> AM8000R --> EQ Killer GP100 output B --> EQ Killer effects return EQ Killer --> main output It was pretty simple and flexible. I have yet to obtain a recording of the Y2K2 show, so I don't know how it sounded for the audieence. The signal flow makes me ever so slightly miss my GP100 (sold last fall) but I tend to prefer the sound of my DG-Stomp. on 3/2/03 2:06 PM, Matthias Grob at matthias@grob.org wrote: > Thank you everybody for those informations. > > It reinforces my impression that this unit is especially suited for > looping since: > - it has a looper in it > - it can send and receive MIDIclock to sync this internal looper to an > external > - it has a insert between two effect stages for the external looper and > - you can choose for any effect to be before or after the inserted looper. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 2 22:55:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20956; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 22:54:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 22:54:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 19:56:31 -0800 Subject: Re: Spring loaded pedals From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6xwhO.A.rGF.gHtY-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 3/2/03 2:06 PM, Matthias Grob at matthias@grob.org wrote: > oh, great, sounds like a perfect pedal for FB: step on it to make the > FB >1 so the loop grows with every repetition... > well, the EDP soft is not ready for this, but could be adapted... > and it still might not be acurate enough to really hit FB=1 to get > eternal repetition... Short of that, in delay mode, it would work well for turning hold on and off. Provide a way to set the fixed point as 100%. Pressing through it puts things into hold. Pressing again, exits out. That's actually what I've been trying to get a pedal to do. The FC-7 will work this way with the wah effect on the DG-Stomp, but the DG-Stomp doesn't have a way to transmit the wah switching as a MIDI controller. Another issues seems to be one of compatibility. The EDP likes the EV-5. (Well, mostly. I have one EDP that at least with Loop3 oscillated wierdly with respect to feedback using the EV-5. I haven't tried it with Loop4. I should go do that...) It has a very strange response curve with the FC7. My Korg DL8000R, on the other hand, prefers the FC7 to the EV-5. (I haven't sprung for a Korg EXP2 for which the discount price seems to be $80.) Mark ---- FS: Line 6 FM4 Filter Modeler pedal. Excellent condition. $170 + shipping. FS: Electrix Repeater. Virtually new (used for only a few hours). $725. e-mail me off list if interested. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 2 22:58:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21681; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 22:58:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 22:58:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Lexicon MPX G2 stupid clock Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 19:57:55 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can't get the clock to consistently communicate with the EDPs Back to the drawing board For sale: 1 pristine MPX G2 make offer Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 03:04:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA12541; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 03:03:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 03:03:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030303033310.4263.qmail@web11408.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030303033310.4263.qmail@web11408.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 00:02:10 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: New Live Looping mp3's online Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: -4.6 () IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_05_08 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.29 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Sounds great! Thank you! > It amazes me sometimes that there are >venues for avant garde music. Around my neck of the >woods I can only think of one or possibly two venues >for truly artistic music (or "music" if you prefer). >Otherwise you have to create your own. I think it's that way everywhere, this was definitely a "roll your own" gig, it was at a venue that normally doesn't have music, kind of a test run. We were the 2nd of 3 acts, the first was a singer/pianist who did Brecht/Weill tunes and her own similar material, and the last act was a duo doing Massive Attack-like triphop songs. The show was very well attended, and people stuck through our noise, it was actually pretty well received. It feels kind of strange, after almost 20 years of playing weird music to empty rooms in this area, now I'm starting to be treated as some kind of elder statesman :-) But I do feel that there's a bigger audience for left-of-mainstream music now than ever before. More and more people are realizing there's music beyond the playlist of their local Clear Channel affiliate, thanks to the Internet, to the few remaining alternative radio stations that have survived deregulation of the broadcast industry, and to whatever other outlets people are using to find the music. > >Anyway, I haven't gotten to the huge files as I'm >using a dial up at home, but I do plan to load the >rest up. What I'm hearing so far is wonderful. I >love the sparse vocal elements of the 2mb+ file, >especially the "Thank You" at the end. Did you >perhaps close the set with that? Nope, I think JD was just trying to thank people for hanging on :-) That tune was our Sun Ra tribute moment... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 03:41:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA14566; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 03:37:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 03:37:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: New Live Looping mp3's online Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:36:53 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000801c2e160$0b9e02d0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id DAA14436 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: Dave Trenkel [mailto:improv@peak.org] > > I just put up some mp3's from our gig last Thursday. The address is > http://www.newandimprov.com/TopDeadCenter.html > > This is the trio that performed at the Portland Loopfest Au-go-go, > Matt Calkins on saxes, JD Monroe on turntables, and me on keys, loops > and lotsa crap. The recording's far from perfect, I'm too loud, the > sax is too quiet, but it's representative of what we do. Enjoy! I like that vibe ;-) After listening for ten seconds I just had to set all those huge files for immediate download. Thanks. Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com --> 1st Swedish Looping Festival From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 07:00:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA30474; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 06:59:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 06:59:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a301c2e17c$1e631740$78534ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: Lexicon MPX G2 Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:54:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Seems you dont quite agree on the reverb quality... > I sometimes use very long reverb, over 20sec, so I wonder... I've used the 26 second reverb in the G2 before now, and it sounds great to me... > I am amazed that no one seems to have experience in syncing the > internal looper with an external one. I forgot in my last post to add that I did sync it to a JamMan, and it worked OK - didn't do much with it, as I only tried it for fun... as you know, I'm very into my unsync'd loopage... :o) cheers steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 07:00:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA30471; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 06:59:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 06:59:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a201c2e17c$1dc46640$78534ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <200303020950.42621.robnet@wxs.nl> Subject: Re: Lexicon MPX G2 Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:51:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll add myself to the list of very satisfied MPX-G2 users, currently in conjunction with two EDPs... I stopped using the R1 foot controller, partly cos it was too damn huge and partly cos it was too damn noisy - easily audible at the back of the venue on gigs every time you change patch!! Don't the makers of these things think it through?? Same for the DL4... anyway... I've not run the EDP in the effects loop of the G2 - the only thing I had in there was an SWR Interstellar Overdrive for even more distortion... I'm now back to using just the internal distortion sounds, which are pretty amazing (Though a tube version would be nice...) The only controllers I use are a EV-5 and a Lexicon two button footswitch in the back, which are assigned to different things for different patches... the morphing effects are fantastic, being able to set up two different sets of parameters and then morph between them either with the expression pedal or over a time via the A/B button (front panel or footswitch) my only real complaint with the unit is that you only have 50 user spaces, which is ridiculous - it means I have to 'really' like a sound to keep it, rather than storing everything I have for possible later use, and can't set up multiple versions of the same patch for different basses or amps or whatever... It'd be great if you could unlock the rest of the presets, as I don't use any of them, so they sit there doing nowt. Suffice to say, I love it. On a completlely unrelated note, I've just bought Double Nickels On The Dime by The Minutemen - this is amazing, why did no-one tell me about the Minutemen before????? I'm only 20 years late... Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 09:27:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13041; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:23:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:23:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <29.3a54792c.2b94bed4@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:21:08 EST Subject: Re: EDP Reverse Halfspeed Rhythmic To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 27/02/03 20:42:33 GMT Standard Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > Heh. Well I definitely notice a loss in clarity in 28 second mode, > especially when overdubbing, but I'm running it in front of my amp. I really > love the half time and reverse features though, and when you cut it in half > to shift the pitch up an octave it starts sounding clearer again. I LOVE that > "chipmunk" sound, and I love backwards guitar, so you can imagine my joy at > discovering I could do "backwards chipmunk" guitar stuff on my DL-4 when I > got it. BTW I know the EDP can do the same thing, but is there a way to make > it do this in rythmic sequences, or to record from one loop to another while > clicking the multiply/divide switch? - Kirkland not sure I understand the question exactly...but With the EDP you can specify that the Reversing/Halfspeed happens at the end of the loop, or at an exactly on the 8th note. So you can, for instance, reverse the loop for a while and stay exactly in time when you return to forward play. You can also produce a rhythmic loop consisting of fragments of sound some of which are reversed. You can copy all or part of a loop to another loop by hitting Multiply after Nextloop. (and by a number of other ways) You can have the copy start playing reversed straight away. (as soon as the copy is completed) ...and so on andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 10:17:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19726; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:15:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:15:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <11d.1f656f71.2b94cb3c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:14:04 EST Subject: Re: New Live Looping mp3's online To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id KAA19631 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dave, In a message dated 3/3/03 12:05:21 AM, improv@peak.org writes: >That tune was our Sun Ra tribute moment... I just downloaded (and am Listening to) this same track. Quite cool indeed! I am in the same difficulty as the other respondent though, I'm on a dial-up and those files are kinda humongous. I'll get to them eventually though. Thanks for posting them up there! Keep up the good work. Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn ArsOcarina@aol.com http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 10:25:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20627; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:23:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:23:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030303152244.64417.qmail@web80214.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 07:22:44 -0800 (PST) From: Kirkland Mack Subject: Re: EDP Reverse Halfspeed Rhythmic To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <29.3a54792c.2b94bed4@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-743372517-1046704964=:64232" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-743372517-1046704964=:64232 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To clarify: I want to create a loop which jumps up and down in pitch via dividing/mulitplying the length, in rythm, automatically. I either want to be able to automate the multiply/divide function via midi signals from a sequencer (ideal) or to simply be able to record from one loop while I rythmically multiply/divide it via the footswitch onto another loop, so I get a recorded loop that jumps up and down rythmically. SoundFNR@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 27/02/03 20:42:33 GMT Standard Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > Heh. Well I definitely notice a loss in clarity in 28 second mode, > especially when overdubbing, but I'm running it in front of my amp. I really > love the half time and reverse features though, and when you cut it in half > to shift the pitch up an octave it starts sounding clearer again. I LOVE that > "chipmunk" sound, and I love backwards guitar, so you can imagine my joy at > discovering I could do "backwards chipmunk" guitar stuff on my DL-4 when I > got it. BTW I know the EDP can do the same thing, but is there a way to make > it do this in rythmic sequences, or to record from one loop to another while > clicking the multiply/divide switch? - Kirkland not sure I understand the question exactly...but With the EDP you can specify that the Reversing/Halfspeed happens at the end of the loop, or at an exactly on the 8th note. So you can, for instance, reverse the loop for a while and stay exactly in time when you return to forward play. You can also produce a rhythmic loop consisting of fragments of sound some of which are reversed. You can copy all or part of a loop to another loop by hitting Multiply after Nextloop. (and by a number of other ways) You can have the copy start playing reversed straight away. (as soon as the copy is completed) ...and so on andy butler --0-743372517-1046704964=:64232 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

To clarify: I want to create a loop which jumps up and down in pitch via dividing/mulitplying the length, in rythm, automatically. I either want to be able to automate the multiply/divide function via midi signals from a sequencer (ideal) or to simply be able to record from one loop while I rythmically multiply/divide it via the footswitch onto another loop, so I get a recorded loop that jumps up and down rythmically.

 SoundFNR@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 27/02/03 20:42:33 GMT Standard Time,
Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes:

> Heh. Well I definitely notice a loss in clarity in 28 second mode,
> especially when overdubbing, but I'm running it in front of my amp. I
really
> love the half time and reverse features though, and when you cut it in half
> to shift the pitch up an octave it starts sounding clearer again. I LOVE
that
> "chipmunk" sound, and I love backwards guitar, so you can imagine my joy at
> discovering I could do "backwards chipmunk" guitar stuff on my DL-4 when I
> got it. BTW I know the EDP can do the same thing, but is there a way to
make
> it do this in rythmic sequences, or to record from one loop to another
while
> clicking the multiply/divide switch? - Kirkland

not sure I understand the question exactly...but

With the EDP you can specify that the Reversing/Halfspeed
happens at the end of the loop, or at an exactly on the 8th note.
So you can, for instance, reverse the loop for a while and
stay exactly in time when you return to forward play.

You can also produce a rhythmic loop consisting of fragments
of sound some of which are reversed.

You can copy all or part of a loop to another loop by
hitting Multiply after Nextloop. (and by a number of other ways)

You can have the copy start playing reversed straight away.
(as soon as the copy is completed)

...and so on

andy butler
--0-743372517-1046704964=:64232-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 10:37:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21773; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:37:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:37:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030303153609.14447.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 07:36:09 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: DG Stomp signal path (was: Re: Lexicon MPX G2) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Hamburg wrote: > P.S. My signal path from the Santa Cruz Y2K2 show: > > guitar --> floor effects --> GP100 --> effects send > effects send --> Filter Queen --> DL8000R --> effects return > GP100 output A --> EDP --> AM8000R --> EQ Killer > GP100 output B --> EQ Killer effects return > EQ Killer --> main output > > It was pretty simple and flexible. I have yet to obtain a recording of the > Y2K2 show, so I don't know how it sounded for the audieence. The signal flow > makes me ever so slightly miss my GP100 (sold last fall) but I tend to > prefer the sound of my DG-Stomp. How do you set up your signal path using the DG Stomp? Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 11:10:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26114; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:08:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:08:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030303160643.84512.qmail@web40906.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 16:06:43 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?alan=20clare?= Subject: New to looping - advice please To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-991256665-1046707603=:83404" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-991256665-1046707603=:83404 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I am not a true "looper" just messing with various delays. I just picked up a Korg SD 2000, very cheap! has anyone got any opinions on this unit, and/or how best to use it? AL --------------------------------- With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs --0-991256665-1046707603=:83404 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

I am not a true "looper" just messing with various delays.

I just picked up a Korg SD 2000, very cheap! has anyone got any opinions on this unit, and/or how best to use it?

AL


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--0-991256665-1046707603=:83404-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 11:56:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30642; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:52:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:52:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 08:51:21 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Lexicon MPX G2 In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <5CCC0E86-4D98-11D7-B3A4-0003934CD2FA@zerocrossing.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Although discontinued for some reason (I'm sure findable on ebay) the Digitech 2112 and 2120 have a pretty good effects loop. Although it's insert point is fixed, it's after the preamp. Useful for looping. I've tried the EDP in it with good results. I actually compared it's distortions/preamp to the Lexicon G2 and it's no contest. The Digitech blows it away. Time based effects are another story... Mark On Sunday, March 2, 2003, at 04:08 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > I was going to say that the Roland GP100 scores reasonably well on this > front as well. It has a stereo effects loop that supports placement at > arbitrary positions in the signal chain. It also has two outputs which > can > be helpful as a way to add some final effects is you have another mixer > available afterwards. On the other hand, it doesn't have a looper and it > doesn't have MIDI syncable effects. > > I also really doubt that it's reverb can match Lexicon's. (And 20 > seconds is > nothing. I used to love to crank the reverb time on my SPX90 up to 99 > seconds. Great fun when used in conjunction with the cheap little Korg > drum > machine I had at the time.) > > Mark > > P.S. My signal path from the Santa Cruz Y2K2 show: > > guitar --> floor effects --> GP100 --> effects send > > effects send --> Filter Queen --> DL8000R --> effects return > > GP100 output A --> EDP --> AM8000R --> EQ Killer > > GP100 output B --> EQ Killer effects return > > EQ Killer --> main output > > It was pretty simple and flexible. I have yet to obtain a recording of > the > Y2K2 show, so I don't know how it sounded for the audieence. The signal > flow > makes me ever so slightly miss my GP100 (sold last fall) but I tend to > prefer the sound of my DG-Stomp. > > on 3/2/03 2:06 PM, Matthias Grob at matthias@grob.org wrote: > >> Thank you everybody for those informations. >> >> It reinforces my impression that this unit is especially suited for >> looping since: >> - it has a looper in it >> - it can send and receive MIDIclock to sync this internal looper to an >> external >> - it has a insert between two effect stages for the external looper and >> - you can choose for any effect to be before or after the inserted >> looper. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 12:04:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00550; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 12:01:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 12:01:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <11d.1f656f71.2b94cb3c@aol.com> References: <11d.1f656f71.2b94cb3c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:00:20 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: New Live Looping mp3's online Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: -4.7 () IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.29 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Dave, > >In a message dated 3/3/03 12:05:21 AM, improv@peak.org writes: > >>That tune was our Sun Ra tribute moment... > >I just downloaded (and am Listening to) this same track. >Quite cool indeed! I am in the same difficulty as the >other respondent though, I'm on a dial-up and those >files are kinda humongous. I'll get to them eventually >though. Thanks for posting them up there! Keep up >the good work. I was kinda worried about that, I'll put some lower bitrate mp3's up later today. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 13:11:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09165; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 13:07:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 13:07:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 10:05:06 -0800 Subject: Re: DG Stomp signal path (was: Re: Lexicon MPX G2) From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030303153609.14447.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I end up using a mixer. At home, that generally means my Mackie 1642. For a mobile rig, I've got an aged Passac line mixer that's moderately successful. The plan in the mobile rig (it's about to get re-wired) is: guitar --> floor effects --> DG Stomp (another floor effect but this is where the signal goes stereo) --> Filter Queen The Filter Queen has two sets of outputs (RCA & 1/4") so one set will go to the mixer and the other set will go to one side of the EQ Killer and then into the DL8000R so I can do filtered delays if I want to. The DL8000R will then go into the mixer. The mixer will do a mono send to the EDP which will return via the other half of the EQ Killer. (The EQ Killer can be configured in two signal chains. It only works in one at a time and bypasses the other one.) Then back into the mixer. The mixer will then send to the AM8000R, take the return in from it (probably into another pair of channels), and deliver the final output. Lots of flexibility there, but I don't generally find myself using it live because I've got other things to worry about and twiddling knobs on the mixer seems like a way to get things confused for the next set. If I could come up with a passive mixer (i.e., I don't want a power supply) that would let me cope with the mono nature of the EDP, I'd jump at that. Then I'd just do: guitar --> effects --> DG Stomp --> Filter Queen --> DL8000R --> splitter mono from splitter --> EDP --> AM8000R --> EQ Killer stereo from splitter --> EQ Killer effect return This would essentially replicate the GP-100 setup. I used a previous version of the mixer based setup with 2 independent EDPs (fed from the same effects send) at Loopstock 2002. That was cool, but it came at the expense of rack space for the Electrix effects. I could also drop the mixer in the above scheme and use a stereo EDP pair in a straight stereo path. However, I'm sort of trying to segregate now into a mobile guitar rig and a bigger home studio rig that talks to my Handsonic and synth. The latter rig seems the logical spot to put 2 out of my 3 EDPs. So, I'm probably stuck with the mixer based version. My complaints about it are that the Passac feels a little noisy and it's yet another thing needing a power supply. The Jamman gets points for being stereo signal path friendly. Mark on 3/3/03 7:36 AM, Greg House at ghunicycle@yahoo.com wrote: > --- Mark Hamburg wrote: > >> P.S. My signal path from the Santa Cruz Y2K2 show: >> >> guitar --> floor effects --> GP100 --> effects send >> effects send --> Filter Queen --> DL8000R --> effects return >> GP100 output A --> EDP --> AM8000R --> EQ Killer >> GP100 output B --> EQ Killer effects return >> EQ Killer --> main output >> >> It was pretty simple and flexible. I have yet to obtain a recording of the >> Y2K2 show, so I don't know how it sounded for the audieence. The signal flow >> makes me ever so slightly miss my GP100 (sold last fall) but I tend to >> prefer the sound of my DG-Stomp. > > How do you set up your signal path using the DG Stomp? > > Greg > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 14:30:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19557; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:23:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:23:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 13:22:04 -0600 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: Repeater owners question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <014d01c2e1ba$2c396200$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Is there any software that can convert the saved >WAV loops so they can be seamlessly used in Live >or Logic? As they stand they have an unpredictable >amount of time at the front and tail of the loop. have you tried flattening the loop on the repeater first? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 14:31:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20063; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:28:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:28:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d801c2e1ba$e4459fd0$0100a8c0@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: Subject: OT Loop mangler Nord Modular G2 in sight Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 20:27:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <0kRW2D.A.h4E.wy6Y-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.clavia.se/News/G2_1.htm Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 14:40:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20882; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:35:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:35:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: Repeater owners question Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:35:28 -0800 Message-ID: <000a01c2e1bc$0c0cec70$6501a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <014d01c2e1ba$2c396200$080210ac@jpalmer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Jim Palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 11:22 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater owners question >Is there any software that can convert the saved >WAV loops so they can be seamlessly used in Live >or Logic? As they stand they have an unpredictable >amount of time at the front and tail of the loop. have you tried flattening the loop on the repeater first? ========================================= What do you mean? If you mean remix, they are still in the same loop format. There is a proprietary header file and the raw WAV file on the Card. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 15:18:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26251; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:14:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:14:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 21:12:39 +0100 Subject: Re: LIVE Sound Card choices for Mac Live Loop programs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <00b001c33e22$edd3d980$5a64f93f@global> Message-Id: <7BB39121-4DB4-11D7-929A-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Rick, I'll post this onlist as there might be other people also looking for a good audio card. I took the plunge last year and purchased an Edirol UA-5 half-rack USB sound card, and I'm happy. It has zero latency for monitors, and any latency from the computer to the soundcard is really OS/App based. Its only 2 channel though, so be aware of that. What else? Balanced XLR inputs with phantom power as well as digital/coaxial input/ouputs at the rear... 96/48/44.1Khz options, all for a very reasonable price. Just my two cents :) - Stu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 15:44:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28604; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:39:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:39:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 14:38:35 -0600 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: Repeater owners question In-reply-to: <000a01c2e1bc$0c0cec70$6501a8c0@neil> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <015f01c2e1c4$dce0e100$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i used the wrong word. "trim cut" is supposed to do this. see page 33 of the repeater manual. i haven't done this personally, so i don't know how well it works... > > What do you mean? If you mean remix, they are still in the > same loop format. There is a proprietary header file and the > raw WAV file on the Card. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 16:07:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00787; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 16:05:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 16:05:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.168.27.88] From: "pboss _" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Undo Problem in Loop IV? Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 13:04:22 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Mar 2003 21:04:35.0998 (UTC) FILETIME=[7EFC7BE0:01C2E1C8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mathias, Thanks for the response, i'll experiment some more with all of this. i AM using the unit differently that i was when i had loop-III in it). here's some comments from me to kim flint, which includes a question that you may have thoughts on: Kim, "...... The most interesting thing, is the fact that, " The Echoplex considers it a change to the loop anytime Feedback is less than 100%, so it saves the altered version of the loop to new memory" I never knew this even after combing the manual. WOW. big point. I think that what has thrown me is that the UNDO button is not available after doing a multiply of 4 cycles, subsequent to a first-recording of a short cycle, in order to get back to the original first short single cycle. In other words, even thought the very first cycle SHOULD be in memory (without overdubs), along with the 4 cycles of copied / multiplied material, the UNDO button is only lit during the first cycle and does not give me an opportunity to go back to that first single cycle, which for my new applications (unlike my uses while i used loop III v.5) is important to be able to do. If i press UNDO during that first cycle it erases all of the new overdub except the material added during the first cycle. After i do a long press, it is not available again at all, in order to get back to the one, original single cycle. Do you agree that that first cycle should be available (based on memory installed, of course) using UNDO, and that it is not available? At this point, this is more of an academic question, because i think that a short use of overdub before attempting any multiplies will work for me i hope." (or i can use your suggestion, Mathias below) ----Original Message Follows---- From: Matthias Grob Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Undo Problem in Loop IV? Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 19:06:49 -0300 >HI, Do any of you know about a problem undoing a 'layer' of music from ALL >cycles after a multiply has been done? A long press of UNDO erases the >newest layer from all cycles EXCEPT the first one! (My memory is at max.) >Here is a simple example: >1. RECORD a drum beat for a few measures. Say it is 4 seconds long. >2. MULTIPLY a guitar line over it. Play and record the guitar through 4 >cycles, so that the resulting loop is now 16 seconds long (4seconds X >4cycles). >3 UNDO - Do a 'long' press, and the guitar part, played over all 4 cycles >is now gone, EXCEPT for the part existing during the first cycle. >4. Short presses do not help and also, there are similar examples to the >above where the UNDO function is not even available at all, at any time. > >IS THIS A BUG?? I did not have this problem using the Loop III V.5 which >i am about to reinstall to make this sucker work! >Thank you for any of your answers - Patty in SF No, its not a bug, but when you use Multiply immediately (without doing some Overdub or FB reduction) after Record, you get a problem really. Just imagine how the sound is kept in memory: You have one cycle recorded and we keep coping that to another cycle, ready to register eventual changes. As long as you dont do anything more, we just alternate between those two copies. Now you do Multiply, which copies one of those cycles (depends on when you press Multiply exactly) 4 times with your new overdubs. So you have 5 or 6 cycles in the memory now. Now you want undo all overdubs. But we dont have 4 subsequent cycles without overdubs in the memory! So the solution is: Multiply by 1 (press Multiply twice in a row) at the beginning of the 4 cycles Then press Undo to get rid of the overdub on that cycle -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 16:32:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03344; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 16:31:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 16:31:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 13:30:17 -0800 Subject: OT(minutemen) To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00a201c2e17c$1dc46640$78534ed5@bigboy> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > On a completlely unrelated note, I've just bought Double Nickels On The Dime > by The Minutemen - this is amazing, why did no-one tell me about the > Minutemen before????? I'm only 20 years late... > > Steve > www.steve-lawson.co.uk > > minutemen are/were a great band...d boon was one of the unheralded guitar guys! he had this minimalist skronkk that was just great to listen to. their shows were a compilation of fast-superfast-ultrafast tunes-none longer than 2min. i think,-my faves were their covers of by ccr and by boc. mike watt no slouch on bass either... s (loved yer stuff @ bananas edp clinic in san rafael,steve) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 16:45:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04100; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 16:36:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 16:36:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <000001c2e10b$fcaad860$6501a8c0@neil> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 13:35:00 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: New Live Looping mp3's online Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: -6 () IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_02_03 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.29 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just put a new set of 80k mp3's up, much smaller than the original files. Enjoy! >I just put up some mp3's from our gig last Thursday. The address is >http://www.newandimprov.com/TopDeadCenter.html > >This is the trio that performed at the Portland Loopfest Au-go-go, >Matt Calkins on saxes, JD Monroe on turntables, and me on keys, >loops and lotsa crap. The recording's far from perfect, I'm too >loud, the sax is too quiet, but it's representative of what we do. >Enjoy! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 16:52:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06006; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 16:50:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 16:50:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.168.27.88] From: "pboss _" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Undo Problem in Loop IV? Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 13:49:21 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Mar 2003 21:49:23.0533 (UTC) FILETIME=[C0E1C7D0:01C2E1CE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----Original Message Follows---- From: Matthias Grob Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Undo Problem in Loop IV? Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 19:06:49 -0300 >HI, Do any of you know about a problem undoing a 'layer' of music from ALL >cycles after a multiply has been done? A long press of UNDO erases the >newest layer from all cycles EXCEPT the first one! (My memory is at max.) >Here is a simple example: >1. RECORD a drum beat for a few measures. Say it is 4 seconds long. >2. MULTIPLY a guitar line over it. Play and record the guitar through 4 >cycles, so that the resulting loop is now 16 seconds long (4seconds X >4cycles). >3 UNDO - Do a 'long' press, and the guitar part, played over all 4 cycles >is now gone, EXCEPT for the part existing during the first cycle. >4. Short presses do not help and also, there are similar examples to the >above where the UNDO function is not even available at all, at any time. > >IS THIS A BUG?? I did not have this problem using the Loop III V.5 which >i am about to reinstall to make this sucker work! >Thank you for any of your answers - Patty in SF No, its not a bug, but when you use Multiply immediately (without doing some Overdub or FB reduction) after Record, you get a problem really. Just imagine how the sound is kept in memory: This is my current conclusion about a work around: (copied from a note to Kim) "Yes, it seems to work by turning the feedback knob slightly once during each repeat of the original single cycle, for one times less than the intended multiply. Then, doing the 'real' multiply. Lots of work, just to get back to the original cycle! Oh well, at least in live performance cases where i need to build up the layers, then scale it back down to the fundamental cycle (for working with dancers in this case) i think i can use this trick." Thanks to Mathias and Kim, Patty You have one cycle recorded and we keep coping that to another cycle, ready to register eventual changes. As long as you dont do anything more, we just alternate between those two copies. Now you do Multiply, which copies one of those cycles (depends on when you press Multiply exactly) 4 times with your new overdubs. So you have 5 or 6 cycles in the memory now. Now you want undo all overdubs. But we dont have 4 subsequent cycles without overdubs in the memory! So the solution is: Multiply by 1 (press Multiply twice in a row) at the beginning of the 4 cycles Then press Undo to get rid of the overdub on that cycle -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 17:28:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13687; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:23:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:23:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:22:49 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: 03/03/03 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com We'll see ten of these in the current decade, a total of twelve in the century. Happens every century, but not everybody gets to see it. Does that make us "lappers"? 010101 020202 030303 040404 050505 060606 070707 080808 090909 101010 111111 -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 17:28:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13866; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:25:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:25:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1046730261.3e63d61521b29@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:24:21 -0500 From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT(minutemen) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.177.160 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting stanitarium@earthlink.net: > mike watt no slouch on bass either... last time i went to see him, he signed a "B" key from my Hammond for me. he's cool. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 17:38:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14974; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:33:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:33:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: RE: 03/03/03 Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:27:56 -0500 Message-ID: <001801c2e1d4$24495fe0$330a230a@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What about 12/12/12? > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 5:23 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: 03/03/03 > > > We'll see ten of these in the current decade, a total of twelve in > the century. Happens every century, but not everybody gets to see it. > Does that make us "lappers"? > > > 010101 > 020202 > 030303 > 040404 > 050505 > 060606 > 070707 > 080808 > 090909 > 101010 > 111111 > > > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 17:41:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15386; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:36:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:36:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: RE: 03/03/03 --- DOH! Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:29:21 -0500 Message-ID: <001901c2e1d4$56e48b50$330a230a@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Never Miiind!!! I learned to count a long time ago ... > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael LaMeyer [mailto:m.lameyer@verizon.net] > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 5:28 PM > To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' > Subject: RE: 03/03/03 > > > What about 12/12/12? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] > > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 5:23 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: 03/03/03 > > > > > > We'll see ten of these in the current decade, a total of twelve in > > the century. Happens every century, but not everybody gets > to see it. > > Does that make us "lappers"? > > > > > > 010101 > > 020202 > > 030303 > > 040404 > > 050505 > > 060606 > > 070707 > > 080808 > > 090909 > > 101010 > > 111111 > > > > > > -- > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Richard Zvonar, PhD > > (818) 788-2202 > > http://www.zvonar.com > > http://RZCybernetics.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 17:41:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15551; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:37:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:37:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 14:36:00 -0800 Subject: Re: 03/03/03 To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > We'll see ten of these in the current decade, a total of twelve in > the century. Happens every century, but not everybody gets to see it. > Does that make us "lappers"? > > > 010101 > 020202 > 030303 ... ya beat me doc... cant wait for 03:33pm s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 17:46:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16302; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:42:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:42:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Guywithatele@aol.com Message-ID: <31.34fa14c6.2b9533f1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:40:49 EST Subject: Re: New Live Looping mp3's online To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 46 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com repost their location please... :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 17:48:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16317; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:42:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:42:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: 03/03/03 Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:43:18 -0800 Message-ID: <002401c2e1d6$492074f0$6501a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <001801c2e1d4$24495fe0$330a230a@ws42554> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It may be that our attention is on the week following that: December 21, 2012, the Omega Point, Timewave Zero. Check out: http://www.deoxy.org/omega.htm (don't shoot the messenger :-) Neil -----Original Message----- From: Michael LaMeyer [mailto:m.lameyer@verizon.net] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 2:28 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: 03/03/03 What about 12/12/12? > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 5:23 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: 03/03/03 > > > We'll see ten of these in the current decade, a total of twelve in > the century. Happens every century, but not everybody gets to see it. > Does that make us "lappers"? > > > 010101 > 020202 > 030303 > 040404 > 050505 > 060606 > 070707 > 080808 > 090909 > 101010 > 111111 > > > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 17:48:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16640; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:44:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:44:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Guywithatele@aol.com Message-ID: <1c0.6066439.2b9534aa@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:43:54 EST Subject: Re: 03/03/03 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 46 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 3/3/03 5:24:30 PM, zvonar@zvonar.com writes: << 020202 >> That's my anniversary! That makes me a vower. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 17:53:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17312; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:49:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:49:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:41:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: OT(minutemen) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:30 PM -0800 3/3/03, stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: >mike watt no slouch on bass either... "the man in the van w/a bass in his hand." http://hootpage.com -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 17:53:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17315; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:49:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:49:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001801c2e1d4$24495fe0$330a230a@ws42554> References: <001801c2e1d4$24495fe0$330a230a@ws42554> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:44:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: 03/03/03 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:27 PM -0500 3/3/03, Michael LaMeyer wrote: >What about 12/12/12? Yup, that's the twelfth one. I suppose if you were using the Aztec calendar you could keep going to 20/20/20. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 17:56:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17853; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:53:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:53:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: don't shoot the messenger Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:52:13 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <002401c2e1d6$492074f0$6501a8c0@neil> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Regarding this apocalyptic website--They told me to go to Amsterdam--think there's any gigs for loopers there? G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 18:00:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18255; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:55:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:55:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c2e1dd$5b628340$6f63f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200303022207.RAA12135@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: THIS DAY IN LOOP HISTORY Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:33:54 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: <7iSheB.A.9bE.J19Y-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Fellow Members of the Loop Historians Society Cyclic Convention: Today is the Third Day of the Third Month of the Third Year of the Third Millenium The time is 3:33:33 Write a Waltz today! your. Loop.pool.Loop From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 18:00:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18499; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:57:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:57:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Guywithatele@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:55:37 EST Subject: Re: don't shoot the messenger To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 46 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com fuckyaeah there're gigs there for loopers. loopers will save the world!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 18:03:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20328; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:59:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:59:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002401c2e1d6$492074f0$6501a8c0@neil> References: <002401c2e1d6$492074f0$6501a8c0@neil> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:52:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: 03/03/03 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:43 PM -0800 3/3/03, Neil Goldstein wrote: >It may be that our attention is on the week following that: December 21, >2012, the Omega Point, Timewave Zero. I've marked that date as "End of World" on my calendar. I suppose I should also put it in my PDA in case I'm out of the house at the time. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 18:05:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20292; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:59:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:59:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: don't shoot the messenger Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:59:33 -0800 Message-ID: <002501c2e1d8$8e53b030$6501a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My favorite quotes on the site: "When a seed - or an animal - or a man is ripe, it must mature to its next phase. Or rot." Stewart Edward White Change more radical by magnitudes than anything that has gone before looms immediately ahead." Terence McKenna "It ain't over 'til it's over." Yogi Berra -----Original Message----- From: Clayton Gary Lehmann [mailto:healthquestrecruiter@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 2:52 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: don't shoot the messenger Regarding this apocalyptic website--They told me to go to Amsterdam--think there's any gigs for loopers there? G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 18:06:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21173; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:03:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:03:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: 03/03/03 Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:04:21 -0800 Message-ID: <002701c2e1d9$3a20dbe0$6501a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <8F3o_C.A.pIF.u89Y-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Will you be: a) in your bombshelter b) meditating c) getting cryogenetically preserved? d) polishing up your material to get a record deal? e) checking your email f) ??? -----Original Message----- From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 2:53 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: 03/03/03 At 2:43 PM -0800 3/3/03, Neil Goldstein wrote: >It may be that our attention is on the week following that: December 21, >2012, the Omega Point, Timewave Zero. I've marked that date as "End of World" on my calendar. I suppose I should also put it in my PDA in case I'm out of the house at the time. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 18:10:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21704; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:08:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:08:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Guywithatele@aol.com Message-ID: <12d.246e3bdc.2b953a04@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:06:44 EST Subject: Re: don't shoot the messenger To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 46 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 3/3/03 5:59:25 PM, ngold@attbi.com writes: << Change more radical by magnitudes than anything that has gone before looms immediately ahead." Terence McKenna >> He may have been talking about his own brain tumor... (may he rest in peace). I suspect that theories frequently (only) point back to the theorist. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 18:11:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21918; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:10:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:10:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 18:09:52 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: 03/03/03 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002601c2e1d9$ffe8e0c0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <002701c2e1d9$3a20dbe0$6501a8c0@neil> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Goldstein" > Will you be: > > b) meditating looping is meditation. > > c) getting cryogenetically preserved? > > d) polishing up your material to get a record deal? well...what ever the next deal is!!! > e) checking your email when I get home. * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 18:18:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23038; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:17:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:17:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002701c2e1d9$3a20dbe0$6501a8c0@neil> References: <002701c2e1d9$3a20dbe0$6501a8c0@neil> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:08:53 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: 03/03/03 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:04 PM -0800 3/3/03, Neil Goldstein wrote: >Will you be: > >a) in your bombshelter > >b) meditating > >c) getting cryogenetically preserved? > >d) polishing up your material to get a record deal? > >e) checking your email > >f) ??? I'm living on borrowed time as it is, so I'll be lucky to be doing any of the above (except #1). -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 18:19:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23041; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:17:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:17:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000201c2e1dd$5b628340$6f63f93f@global> References: <200303022207.RAA12135@hemlock.violacea.com> <000201c2e1dd$5b628340$6f63f93f@global> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:12:14 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: THIS DAY IN LOOP HISTORY Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:33 PM -0800 3/3/03, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: >Write a Waltz today! Merry go-round - Doot-dit-dit, doot-dit-dit (name that composer) Apropos - last night I attended a concert by MESTO (Multi Ethic Star Orchestra) to hear my friend Koroush's piece for santour and symphony orchestra. One of the other pieces on the program was based on Bulgarian themes, lots of swingin' 7/16 and 11/16. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 19:52:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA00836; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 19:49:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 19:49:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Amleto" To: Subject: searching for a used edp or boomerang... (surrending about a repeater, sob...) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 01:36:57 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c2e1e6$2f25cf90$03f1abd4@ai> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA00625 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi to all! I still am without a looper! I can't pay the price people ask for a repeater, so, I would like to know if anyone here could send me a edp with foot pedal or a boomerang. The choice will be made basing on the price (unfortunately at the moment I can't chooce what I need, but what I can pay). I would of course prefer an edp, well at first a repeater, because I need more track indipendently adjstable, and I don't think to need many of the more advanced edp functions. But an edp would be better than a rang for me. Anyway, it will depend on the prices... Thank to You all! P.s.: can anyone suggest me a good cheap vocal harmonizer with more than 2 vocals? Cheaper than digitech and akai ones... If you have one used... Thanks... (I need, to realize my project, a theremin, an harmonizer, a multieffect device or two, and a looper. And I have more or less 1000$ for all... It is not easy, so maybe I have to renounce to something... but I can't decide what I need less!!!) Ciao From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 19:58:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01438; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 19:53:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 19:53:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: [ld][ebay] NIB repeater on ebay Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 16:50:10 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com totally forgot to mention to everyone... i have a new, never opened up repeater here for sale. there's only an hour left... sorry! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3278&item=2512047329& rd=1 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 20:05:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03951; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 20:03:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 20:03:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012001c2e1b7$70b5e9b0$a676f4d1@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: Subject: Re: OT(minutemen) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 19:02:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mike watt, in my opinion, is a perfect role model for what i want to be. look at the guy, he has grey hair, his marriage has failed, he "blazes econo", and he gets up and plays with the sort of fervor and excitement that most twenty-somethings could only dream about...it's like it's his first gig, every time, and he couldn't be more excited. he's played with some of the best out there (nels cline, j mascis, etc.) and he's still totally humble and appreciative. he takes the time to say hi and shake your hand and tell you he appreciates you making it to his show. he slobers when he sings, he plays the bass like he's trying to kill it...man, what a total and utter badass. if i can end up being half the musician watt is, i'll die a happy man. long live mike watt. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 20:21:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05426; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 20:18:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 20:18:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: Repeater owners question Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:14:57 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <015f01c2e1c4$dce0e100$080210ac@jpalmer> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > "trim cut" is supposed to do this. errr... it doesn't. definitely one of the most frustrating aspects of the repeater for those who also do work with computers. there is NO automatic way to get files into or out of the repeater. i actually wrote a small program to export files from 'repeater format' .wavs to regular waves and vice versa (in a limited way). it was the only solution that seemed to work. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 12:39 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Repeater owners question > > > i used the wrong word. > "trim cut" is supposed to do this. > see page 33 of the repeater manual. > i haven't done this personally, so i don't > know how well it works... > > > > > > What do you mean? If you mean remix, they are still in the > > same loop format. There is a proprietary header file and the > > raw WAV file on the Card. > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 20:25:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06066; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 20:22:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 20:22:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: OT(minutemen) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:19:12 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the minutemen defined my high school experience in the 90s. too bad you missed out! if i had konwn you then i would've told you about them. ;) > -----Original Message----- > From: stanitarium@earthlink.net [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 1:30 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: OT(minutemen) > > > > > > On a completlely unrelated note, I've just bought Double > Nickels On The Dime > > by The Minutemen - this is amazing, why did no-one tell me about the > > Minutemen before????? I'm only 20 years late... > > > > Steve > > www.steve-lawson.co.uk > > > > > minutemen are/were a great band...d boon was one of the unheralded guitar > guys! he had this minimalist skronkk that was just great to listen to. > their shows were a compilation of fast-superfast-ultrafast > tunes-none longer > than 2min. i think,-my faves were their covers of by ccr > and by boc. > mike watt no slouch on bass either... > s > (loved yer stuff @ bananas edp clinic in san rafael,steve) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 20:35:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07318; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 20:34:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 20:34:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: Repeater owners question Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:34:52 -0800 Message-ID: <003501c2e1ee$413f78e0$6501a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Could you share this program? -----Original Message----- From: Paul Weissman [mailto:paul-mailinglists@nioterra.com] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 5:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater owners question > "trim cut" is supposed to do this. errr... it doesn't. definitely one of the most frustrating aspects of the repeater for those who also do work with computers. there is NO automatic way to get files into or out of the repeater. i actually wrote a small program to export files from 'repeater format' .wavs to regular waves and vice versa (in a limited way). it was the only solution that seemed to work. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 12:39 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Repeater owners question > > > i used the wrong word. > "trim cut" is supposed to do this. > see page 33 of the repeater manual. > i haven't done this personally, so i don't > know how well it works... > > > > > > What do you mean? If you mean remix, they are still in the > > same loop format. There is a proprietary header file and the > > raw WAV file on the Card. > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 21:01:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16505; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 20:59:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 20:59:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: Repeater owners question Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:56:23 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <003501c2e1ee$413f78e0$6501a8c0@neil> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <8KcLF.A.etD.dhAZ-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i asked a while ago about sharing this utility... the problem then was that it was written in perl and required perl to be installed on the system. the only solution i could find for compiling perl into an exe cost $100... and it didn't seem like there was enough interest in people being able to split that cost. i'm now actively writing vst plugs so it would be no problem to do an executable version. however, there are two new problems a) time, i am at an all time low of this particular lovely resource, and b) i only have one repeater left and it will probably be leaving soon, so i'll have no way to test the thing out. also, with a few small additions the tool could be quite powerful (like adding small options in the way the exports are done) so i would be very tempted to work on it for a little while longer to polish it off, which goes back to that time thing again. i'd be very hesitant to offer this for some small s$$$ (cause it seems like it should've been in the damn repeater to begin with), but it would definitely add incentive to finishing it off. any thoughts? paul > -----Original Message----- > From: Neil Goldstein [mailto:ngold@attbi.com] > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 5:35 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Repeater owners question > > > Could you share this program? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Weissman [mailto:paul-mailinglists@nioterra.com] > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 5:15 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Repeater owners question > > > > "trim cut" is supposed to do this. > > errr... it doesn't. definitely one of the most frustrating aspects of > the > repeater for those who also do work with computers. there is NO > automatic > way to get files into or out of the repeater. > > i actually wrote a small program to export files from 'repeater format' > .wavs to regular waves and vice versa (in a limited way). it was the > only > solution that seemed to work. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jim Palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] > > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 12:39 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: RE: Repeater owners question > > > > > > i used the wrong word. > > "trim cut" is supposed to do this. > > see page 33 of the repeater manual. > > i haven't done this personally, so i don't > > know how well it works... > > > > > > > > > > What do you mean? If you mean remix, they are still in the > > > same loop format. There is a proprietary header file and the > > > raw WAV file on the Card. > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 21:07:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17755; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 21:07:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 21:07:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c2e1f2$d124a490$6501a8c0@cliff> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: Subject: Re: Repeater owners question Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:07:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Charge $5 per user before working on it until you reach your $100 cost? Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 21:12:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17837; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 21:07:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 21:07:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030303180216.0194bb90@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> X-Files: the truth is out there. Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 18:02:46 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: RE: Repeater owners question In-Reply-To: References: <003501c2e1ee$413f78e0$6501a8c0@neil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why is that a problem? At 05:56 PM 2003/03/03 -0800, Paul Weissman wrote: >i asked a while ago about sharing this utility... the problem then was that >it was written in perl and required perl to be installed on the system. the From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 21:30:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20218; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 21:27:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 21:27:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: Repeater owners question Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:27:38 -0800 Message-ID: <003601c2e1f5$a02a5080$6501a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well if your program could trim a Repeater loop into ready to use WAVs that can seamlessly loop in Live (or Acid) I would be willing to pay something. And I'd be willing to test. I realize that one of the most powerful things about the Repeater is having those loops saved on the card. It is possible to use the audio editing facilities on the computer, but getting these truncated to perfect 2,4 bar loops, useable 'out of the box' would be a great time saver. When you speak about time issues and you're getting rid of your RPTR, I can't imagine you have that much enthusiasm for bringing this to fruition. All I could say is I would be most appreciative and willing to contribute $$ for this utility. Anyone else? Neil -----Original Message----- From: Paul Weissman [mailto:paul-mailinglists@nioterra.com] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 5:56 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater owners question i asked a while ago about sharing this utility... the problem then was that it was written in perl and required perl to be installed on the system. the only solution i could find for compiling perl into an exe cost $100... and it didn't seem like there was enough interest in people being able to split that cost. i'm now actively writing vst plugs so it would be no problem to do an executable version. however, there are two new problems a) time, i am at an all time low of this particular lovely resource, and b) i only have one repeater left and it will probably be leaving soon, so i'll have no way to test the thing out. also, with a few small additions the tool could be quite powerful (like adding small options in the way the exports are done) so i would be very tempted to work on it for a little while longer to polish it off, which goes back to that time thing again. i'd be very hesitant to offer this for some small s$$$ (cause it seems like it should've been in the damn repeater to begin with), but it would definitely add incentive to finishing it off. any thoughts? paul > -----Original Message----- > From: Neil Goldstein [mailto:ngold@attbi.com] > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 5:35 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Repeater owners question > > > Could you share this program? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Weissman [mailto:paul-mailinglists@nioterra.com] > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 5:15 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Repeater owners question > > > > "trim cut" is supposed to do this. > > errr... it doesn't. definitely one of the most frustrating aspects of > the > repeater for those who also do work with computers. there is NO > automatic > way to get files into or out of the repeater. > > i actually wrote a small program to export files from 'repeater format' > .wavs to regular waves and vice versa (in a limited way). it was the > only > solution that seemed to work. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jim Palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] > > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 12:39 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: RE: Repeater owners question > > > > > > i used the wrong word. > > "trim cut" is supposed to do this. > > see page 33 of the repeater manual. > > i haven't done this personally, so i don't > > know how well it works... > > > > > > > > > > What do you mean? If you mean remix, they are still in the > > > same loop format. There is a proprietary header file and the > > > raw WAV file on the Card. > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 21:51:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22800; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 21:47:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 21:47:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: Repeater owners question Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:44:39 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <003601c2e1f5$a02a5080$6501a8c0@neil> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com what about being able to take loops and insert them into a repeater compatible format? is it useful to be able to pc->repeater as well as repeater->pc? i had that mostly finished, albeit in a very hacky way. you have to know the tempo of what you're putting in ahead of time and jump through a hoop or two, but it definitely is helpful if you've got a bunch of loops at, say, 132 bpm that you want to insert in mass perfectly on to your repeater. worked well for providing backup tracks for me. i've got some good reasons for getting rid of the repeater, some of them financial, some of them related to another future post. but i have a love for the concept of looping and for the concept of the repeater, so it would be cool to help people out who actively use the repeater. know what i mean? paul > -----Original Message----- > From: Neil Goldstein [mailto:ngold@attbi.com] > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 6:28 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Repeater owners question > > > Well if your program could trim a Repeater loop into ready to use WAVs > that can seamlessly loop in Live (or Acid) I would be willing to pay > something. And I'd be willing to test. > > I realize that one of the most powerful things about the Repeater is > having those loops saved on the card. It is possible to use the audio > editing facilities on the computer, but getting these truncated to > perfect 2,4 bar loops, useable 'out of the box' would be a great time > saver. > > When you speak about time issues and you're getting rid of your RPTR, I > can't imagine you have that much enthusiasm for bringing this to > fruition. > > All I could say is I would be most appreciative and willing to > contribute $$ for this utility. > > Anyone else? > > Neil > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Weissman [mailto:paul-mailinglists@nioterra.com] > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 5:56 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Repeater owners question > > > i asked a while ago about sharing this utility... the problem then was > that > it was written in perl and required perl to be installed on the system. > the > only solution i could find for compiling perl into an exe cost $100... > and > it didn't seem like there was enough interest in people being able to > split > that cost. > > i'm now actively writing vst plugs so it would be no problem to do an > executable version. however, there are two new problems a) time, i am > at an > all time low of this particular lovely resource, and b) i only have one > repeater left and it will probably be leaving soon, so i'll have no way > to > test the thing out. also, with a few small additions the tool could be > quite powerful (like adding small options in the way the exports are > done) > so i would be very tempted to work on it for a little while longer to > polish > it off, which goes back to that time thing again. i'd be very hesitant > to > offer this for some small s$$$ (cause it seems like it should've been in > the > damn repeater to begin with), but it would definitely add incentive to > finishing it off. any thoughts? > > paul > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Neil Goldstein [mailto:ngold@attbi.com] > > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 5:35 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: RE: Repeater owners question > > > > > > Could you share this program? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Paul Weissman [mailto:paul-mailinglists@nioterra.com] > > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 5:15 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: RE: Repeater owners question > > > > > > > "trim cut" is supposed to do this. > > > > errr... it doesn't. definitely one of the most frustrating aspects of > > the > > repeater for those who also do work with computers. there is NO > > automatic > > way to get files into or out of the repeater. > > > > i actually wrote a small program to export files from 'repeater > format' > > .wavs to regular waves and vice versa (in a limited way). it was the > > only > > solution that seemed to work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Jim Palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] > > > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 12:39 PM > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Subject: RE: Repeater owners question > > > > > > > > > i used the wrong word. > > > "trim cut" is supposed to do this. > > > see page 33 of the repeater manual. > > > i haven't done this personally, so i don't > > > know how well it works... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you mean? If you mean remix, they are still in the > > > > same loop format. There is a proprietary header file and the > > > > raw WAV file on the Card. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 22:05:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25602; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 22:00:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 22:00:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 21:59:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200303032159.AA639172916@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: RE: Repeater owners question X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >what about being able to take loops and insert them into a repeater >compatible format? is it useful to be able to pc->repeater as well as >repeater->pc? i had that mostly finished, albeit in a very hacky way. > This would be killer for me. I haven't had any problems getting loops from the card into my audio programs, but I haven't been able to do the reverse. Kevin -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- New From Unit Circle: Intonarumori - "Material" http://www.unitcircle.com/rekkids/releases/tUC075/ -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 3 23:31:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02852; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 23:28:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 23:28:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 23:26:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: RE: Repeater owners question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >what about being able to take loops and insert them into a repeater >compatible format? is it useful to be able to pc->repeater as well as >repeater->pc? i had that mostly finished, albeit in a very hacky way. you >have to know the tempo of what you're putting in ahead of time and jump >through a hoop or two, but it definitely is helpful if you've got a bunch of >loops at, say, 132 bpm that you want to insert in mass perfectly on to your >repeater. worked well for providing backup tracks for me. > >i've got some good reasons for getting rid of the repeater, some of them >financial, some of them related to another future post. but i have a love >for the concept of looping and for the concept of the repeater, so it would >be cool to help people out who actively use the repeater. know what i mean? Wow, that'd be SO cool. I was hoping before to write such a program but I dropped it on the floor (well, I did get a grant to write an interesting online video project so I wasn't just wasting time!) I don't think that having to have Perl would be any sort of drawback to people who are interested enough in this sort of thing! /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/calendar .................................. the calendar. http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 00:30:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09364; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 00:28:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 00:28:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: RE: Repeater owners question Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 21:29:29 -0800 Message-ID: <003901c2e20f$0797a240$6501a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <200303032159.AA639172916@mail.unitcircle.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah going PC>>>Compact Flash card would be great. BTW, would this program be able to run on a Mac in OSX? -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Goldsmith [mailto:kevin@unitcircle.com] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 7:00 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater owners question >what about being able to take loops and insert them into a repeater >compatible format? is it useful to be able to pc->repeater as well as >repeater->pc? i had that mostly finished, albeit in a very hacky way. > This would be killer for me. I haven't had any problems getting loops from the card into my audio programs, but I haven't been able to do the reverse. Kevin -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- New From Unit Circle: Intonarumori - "Material" http://www.unitcircle.com/rekkids/releases/tUC075/ -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 01:00:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA13294; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 00:59:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 00:59:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003901c2e20f$0797a240$6501a8c0@neil> References: <003901c2e20f$0797a240$6501a8c0@neil> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 00:49:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: RE: Repeater owners question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <2R88bB.A.1OD.1CEZ-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Yeah going PC>>>Compact Flash card would be great. BTW, would this >program be able to run on a Mac in OSX? OS/X has Perl built-in! /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/calendar .................................. the calendar. http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 01:26:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15788; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 01:23:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 01:23:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 22:23:24 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Elextrix MoFX and Warp Factory FS In-reply-to: <003901c2e20f$0797a240$6501a8c0@neil> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, I'm making the plunge. As much as I love these two, they're taking up too much rack space and I'm out of table top space in my new studio. $500 gets them shipped anywhere in the continental US. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 01:42:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16772; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 01:39:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 01:39:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 22:38:18 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: RE: OT(minutemen) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: -4.7 () IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.29 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >the minutemen defined my high school experience in the 90s. too bad you >missed out! if i had konwn you then i would've told you about them. ;) I bought "What Makes a Man Start Fires" the day it came out, on a whim, I was a Black Flag fan at the time, and it was on SST so it hadda be cool. Kicked my ass! I cried when I learned D. Boon died. Man, I loved that band. I remember seeing a photo of Charlie Haden jamming with them in an old punk fanzine, maybe Maximum Rock 'n Roll?, made me think that the 2 musics I loved at the time, Punk and Avant Garde jazz, were not that far apart. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 02:12:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA19911; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 02:11:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 02:11:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E63E19E.4DB6@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 23:13:40 +0000 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New Looping CD, my second to feature bass References: <003901c2e20f$0797a240$6501a8c0@neil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My new musical offering "Mourning Guests Who Never Arrived" is now available to anyone who wants a copy.It features lots of looping on 6 and 12 string fretless basses, a Jamman,EDP,Boomerang and Eventide Eclipse.There's also a vocalist on 2 tracks. I was fortunate to have Kevin Keller http://www.kevinkeller.com master it.He is IMHO one of the masters of ambient music and I'm very happy w/what he did.Kevin said the music had a profound effect on him and reminded him of Aphex Twins Ambient Works V. 2. Kevin has also collaborated(beautifully) with Jeff Pearce.(a sometime LD member) "Mourning" should be on http://www.cdbaby.com in a couple of days... But,for list members that order from my(antiquated)website http://basscapes.com/cd.html I'll throw in a copy of my 1st solo bass CD "Basscapes" which has been in a couple of soundtracks despite the cheesy cover... PEACE Scott Kungha Drengsen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 02:44:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA22284; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 02:42:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 02:42:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030304074154.59873.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 23:41:54 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Speaking of Manglers... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00d801c2e1ba$e4459fd0$0100a8c0@black> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <6_bXfC.A.ubF.hjFZ-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.kurzweilmusicsystems.com/html/rumour-mangler.html I see no mention of midi sync though. Bummer. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 03:28:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26263; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 03:24:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 03:24:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016b01c2e1f5$0fbee100$a676f4d1@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <20030304074154.59873.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Speaking of Manglers... Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 02:23:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i own a KSP8...since kurzweil is the topic...if anybody wants to talk, shoot me an email. not many guitarists using the KSP8, but i'm really enjoying it. the laserverb is absolutely incredible and there's some very soundscape-worthy presets and chains in this box. i wouldn't be surprised if the rumor and mangler end up in some guitar rigs. kurzweil has never been in the effects processor ring, but now they're a very formidable contender, in my opinion. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 03:52:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA28350; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 03:48:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 03:48:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E646713.ADAC4E53@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 00:42:59 -0800 From: Daryl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT(minutemen) References: <012001c2e1b7$70b5e9b0$a676f4d1@g0wn7> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Minutemen were so great...and perfect antidotes for those who think punks can't play their instruments. One of my favorite cd's of the last few years was Mike Watt's solo record "Contemplating the Engine Room". with Nels Cline! I can't recommend it highly enough. Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 04:04:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA30619; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 04:01:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 04:01:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030304090026.69913.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 01:00:26 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Speaking of KSP8s To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <016b01c2e1f5$0fbee100$a676f4d1@g0wn7> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does the KSP8 come with any ready-to-go looping presets? I think I read that the max delay time is 20 seconds, correct? How do the delays sound when you alter delay time? John --- jimfowler wrote: > i own a KSP8...since kurzweil is the topic ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 04:10:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA31431; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 04:08:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 04:08:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 03:10:07 -0600 Subject: Re: OT(minutemen) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Cc: ".e/chemx" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Eric Williamson In-Reply-To: <3E646713.ADAC4E53@mhorse.com> Message-Id: <17CA370C-4E21-11D7-A059-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, March 4, 2003, at 02:42 AM, Daryl wrote: > Minutemen were so great...and perfect antidotes for those who think > punks can't > play their instruments. punk. hmm ... if we get to call them a punk band, i get to call the Nice a punk band. btw, nels is supa cool. i'm waiting for his EH delay to crap out though, as much as he uses it. i can't believe it hasn't erupted in flames yet. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 05:26:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA05037; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 05:22:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 05:22:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c2e240$266a4c00$a538fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <17CA370C-4E21-11D7-A059-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> Subject: Unsolicited Sonar MIDI clock+EDP sync revelation (for the archives)... Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 03:21:06 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am a Sonar user and the first thing I tried when I got my EDP in the mail was to sync it to a two bar drum groove using the loop selection feature. The EDP was getting sync, but after a couple passes through the loop it would gradually drift off into it's own little world. I was crushed. I played with it more tonight and discovered that when the snap is on it selects all the way to beat one of the next measure. So, when you select bars 2 and 3 to loop, the loop time actually runs from 2:1:000 to 4:1:000. Apparently this causes some kind of disturbance in the Force causing the EDP to gradually fall out of sync with the sequencer. The solution is to manually edit the end loop time to be X:4:959 where 'X' is the last bar you want to loop through (so, for the preceeding example loop start time would be 2:1:000 and end time would be 3:4:959). This sends the transport back to the first measure in the loop without getting a double sync signal, i.e. getting 4:1:000 and 2:1:000 one tick apart, which is what I would assume was causing the drift in the EDP. Hope somebody finds this useful someday. -Jesse From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 05:51:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA06591; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 05:47:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 05:47:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: OT(minutemen) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 02:44:43 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <17CA370C-4E21-11D7-A059-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i consider them punk... just one extreme edge. i mean, the clash, a punk band? oh, definitely, except for half of their songs. the police? errr... people put things in strange categories. minutemen were punk in a way that fits somewhere between indie rock and california pop punk. for any of the unbelievers... just go buy 'double nickels on the dime' and be prepared to recognize!s > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Williamson [mailto:erwill@suitandtieguy.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 1:10 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Cc: .e/chemx > Subject: Re: OT(minutemen) > > > On Tuesday, March 4, 2003, at 02:42 AM, Daryl wrote: > > Minutemen were so great...and perfect antidotes for those who think > > punks can't > > play their instruments. > > punk. hmm ... > > if we get to call them a punk band, i get to call the Nice a punk band. > > btw, nels is supa cool. i'm waiting for his EH delay to crap out > though, as much as he uses it. i can't believe it hasn't erupted in > flames yet. > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 06:11:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA09187; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 06:07:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 06:07:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: Repeater utility (was RE: Repeater owners question) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 03:03:49 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ok, sounds like there's a decent amount of interest. i can't say for sure that i'm going to have enough time, but it would be cool to help people out, so i'll put it on the heap. a few things to clarify: a) this isn't going to be perl. i'm writing c++ right now so it won't be difficult to do a quick port, and it's much nicer that way... i prefer the elegant/simple solution; download the exe, run it, it works. for mac osx this should be simple since i'm using no M$ function calls, so gcc under osx should compile it straight off. let's hope. b) both export (repeater->pcwav) and import (pc wav->repeater) are going to be command line. ie, you open up cmd or a shell, cd to the dir you want to work in and type 'rptr-extract' and it recursively extracts all the files from that dir. is that ok with everyone? c) the pc->repeater thing is really awkward but will work d) i'll probably do a shareware thing that's between $10-$20 for both utils. e) the utils will probably do other stuff as well, like splitting stereo files, for example. also, i may need some help from time to time, to test things. i suppose i can hang on to my repeater while i'm doing this which will help, but i'm sure it'll be cool to have people using the util. i'm also happy to take any suggestions about other things this little guy could do, if anyone has any ideas. how does all that sound? feel free to make comments/criticisms. btw, if you're interested but haven't said anything yet, email me. the more people that speak up, the more interesting it is to do. paul > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Ritchford [mailto:tom@swirly.com] > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 8:26 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Repeater owners question > > > >what about being able to take loops and insert them into a repeater > >compatible format? is it useful to be able to pc->repeater as well as > >repeater->pc? i had that mostly finished, albeit in a very > hacky way. you > >have to know the tempo of what you're putting in ahead of time and jump > >through a hoop or two, but it definitely is helpful if you've > got a bunch of > >loops at, say, 132 bpm that you want to insert in mass perfectly > on to your > >repeater. worked well for providing backup tracks for me. > > > >i've got some good reasons for getting rid of the repeater, some of them > >financial, some of them related to another future post. but i > have a love > >for the concept of looping and for the concept of the repeater, > so it would > >be cool to help people out who actively use the repeater. know > what i mean? > > Wow, that'd be SO cool. I was hoping before to write such a program > but I dropped it on the floor (well, I did get a grant to write an > interesting online video project so I wasn't just wasting time!) > > I don't think that having to have Perl would be any sort of > drawback to people who are interested enough in this sort > of thing! > > /t > -- > > http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows > every Saturday! > http://extremeNY.com/calendar .................................. > the calendar. > http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to > the calendar. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 08:09:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA19129; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 08:05:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 08:05:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-19.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1046783100!20030 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAD5B@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] RE: Repeater owners question Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 12:56:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2E24D.79A8A5D0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2E24D.79A8A5D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I must be missing something here.... I record a loop on the repeater, then trim it (per the manual), then pop the flash card into a reader on my pc. I can grab the wav. out of the folder on the card, open it in soundforge and it loops perfectly. then I run it through some plug-ins or whatever, maybe do some other things to it, and then put it onto the card again, back where it came from. the repeater doesn't seem to mind so long as you don't mess with it's file/directory structure. what was the problem again? duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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I must be missing something here.... I record a loop on t= he repeater, then trim it (per the manual), then pop the flash card into a = reader on my pc. I can grab the wav. out of the folder on the card, open it= in soundforge and it loops perfectly. then I run it through some plug-ins = or whatever, maybe do some other things to it, and then put it onto the car= d again, back where it came from. the repeater doesn't seem to mind so long= as you don't mess with it's file/directory structure.

what was the problem again?

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C2E24D.79A8A5D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 08:28:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA20994; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 08:27:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 08:27:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030304132647.9017.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 05:26:47 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: OT(minutemen) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <17CA370C-4E21-11D7-A059-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <9m-ROB.A.hHF.2mKZ-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Eric Williamson wrote: > if we get to call [the minutemen] a punk band, i get >to call the Nice a punk band. Compared to ELP they were! I used to record at Fort Apache in Cambridge, MA, and I remember they had a candid polaroid of Mike Watt on the console for inspiration... -t- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 08:39:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22649; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 08:38:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 08:38:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 08:38:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Repeater utility (was RE: Repeater owners question) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Paul wrote: >a) this isn't going to be perl. i'm writing c++ right now so it won't be >difficult to do a quick port, and it's much nicer that way... i prefer the >elegant/simple solution; download the exe, run it, it works. for mac osx >this should be simple since i'm using no M$ function calls, so gcc under osx >should compile it straight off. let's hope. People I know have had good experiences with this procedure. >b) both export (repeater->pcwav) and import (pc wav->repeater) are going to >be command line. No problems here. Again, I think that people's tech. sophistication here AND desire to use the product will make this a non-issue. >c) the pc->repeater thing is really awkward but will work >d) i'll probably do a shareware thing that's between $10-$20 for both utils. >e) the utils will probably do other stuff as well, like splitting stereo >files, for example. Sounds like a dream. I'd certainly pay $20 for that! /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/calendar .................................. the calendar. http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 09:03:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26805; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 09:01:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 09:01:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c2e255$51f4f220$63635cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Monly Top 20 Report for February, 2003 Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 08:52:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 for February, 2003. Shows #307 to #310; 6-February-2003 to 27-February-2003 Reported in non-ranked order. Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@fast.net CONTACT: billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL ============================ Alpha Wave Movement - A Distant Signal - HRR Artemiy Artemiev and Karda Estrada - Equilibrium - Electroshock James Johnson and Robert Scott Thompson - Forgotten PLaces - Zero Music and Aucourant Records Jurgen Haible - Dark November - none Mikronesia - Mikronesia - none Orbital Decay - Live in Concert - none Orbital Decay - Live on EMUSIC - none Orbital Decay - Live on WXPN - none Orbital Decay - Orbital Decay - none Orbital Decay - Re-Entry - none Orbital Decay - The Key of Sea - none Otarion - Creator - Neu Harmony Paul Ellis - Into the Liquid Unknown - Binary Robert Carty - Tonalities - Deep Sky Music Skin Mechanix - The Secret Life of Angels of Known Space - InfectionMusic Under the Dome - Bellerophon - Neu Harmony Various Artists - A Slight Touch of Grace - Relapse vidnaObmana - Spore - Relapse vidnaObmana - Tremor - Relapse Vir Unis and Saul Stokes - Thermal Transfer - Binary Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 09:33:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA28937; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 09:25:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 09:25:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Robert van der Kamp Reply-To: robnet@wxs.nl To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Lexicon MPX G2 Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 15:24:48 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <200303020950.42621.robnet@wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200303041524.48039.robnet@wxs.nl> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday 02 March 2003 23:06, Matthias Grob wrote: > Thank you everybody for those informations. > > It reinforces my impression that this unit is especially > suited for looping since: > - it has a looper in it > - it can send and receive MIDIclock to sync this internal > looper to an external > - it has a insert between two > effect stages for the external looper and - you can > choose for any effect to be before or after the inserted > looper. If I rember correctly, you can even specify an effect that is to be used on the delay signal only. I never use the looper fx of the G2, but love to use two mono delay effects, one left, one right, with different delay times. - Robert From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 10:19:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03376; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 10:18:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 10:18:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 09:09:06 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: Re: OT(minutemen) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes, for underground 20 yrs ago, they were the next big thing. a good book to read is: "our band could be your life" all about the underground movement in u.s. in the 80's under the reagan yrs. there were a lot of bands that were "almost big" (minutemen, husker du, etc), but the premise of the book (my reading at least) is that major labels killed the underground feel for these bands, and most imploded, etc. the other premise is that nirvana's breaking in '91 killed the underground and the underground became mainstream. the thing i laughed about all through the 80's was hearing the term "post-punk". they were still using that til the end of the '80's and i thought, hmmm, wasn't punk about '77, how long can it still be "post-punk"? music categories, gotta make you laugh.... s--- > > >> On a completlely unrelated note, I've just bought Double Nickels On The Dime >> by The Minutemen - this is amazing, why did no-one tell me about the >> Minutemen before????? I'm only 20 years late... >> >> Steve >> www.steve-lawson.co.uk >> >> >minutemen are/were a great band...d boon was one of the unheralded guitar >guys! he had this minimalist skronkk that was just great to listen to. >their shows were a compilation of fast-superfast-ultrafast tunes-none longer >than 2min. i think,-my faves were their covers of by ccr >and by boc. >mike watt no slouch on bass either... >s >(loved yer stuff @ bananas edp clinic in san rafael,steve) -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 10:37:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05145; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 10:32:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 10:32:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016e01c2e263$3cc3cda0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: OT(minutemen) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 15:30:31 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm sorry, "Husker du"? I guess if one considers success to have their video been aired on the Beavis and Butthead hour. I always thought their contract was the result of some exec's desperate moment, frankly. You can't blame Reagan for Corporate Rock either... But then I still think of the "Seattle thing" as a lucky end-result of a stab for talent outside LA for once, and Nirvana as overrated at best, submerged by Cobain's smackhead routines at worst. If you're going to compare someone to Husker du you should be ready to have things thrown at you like this. :) > yes, for underground 20 yrs ago, they were the next big thing. > a good book to read is: "our band could be your life" > all about the underground movement in u.s. in the 80's under the reagan yrs. > there were a lot of bands that were "almost big" (minutemen, husker > du, etc), but the premise of the book (my reading at least) is that > major labels > killed the underground feel for these bands, and most imploded, etc. > the other premise is that nirvana's breaking in '91 killed the > underground and the underground became mainstream. > the thing i laughed about all through the 80's was hearing the term > "post-punk". > they were still using that til the end of the '80's and i thought, > hmmm, wasn't punk about '77, how long can it still be "post-punk"? > music categories, gotta make you laugh.... > s--- > > > > > > >> On a completlely unrelated note, I've just bought Double Nickels On The Dime > >> by The Minutemen - this is amazing, why did no-one tell me about the > >> Minutemen before????? I'm only 20 years late... > >> > >> Steve > >> www.steve-lawson.co.uk > >> > >> > >minutemen are/were a great band...d boon was one of the unheralded guitar > >guys! he had this minimalist skronkk that was just great to listen to. > >their shows were a compilation of fast-superfast-ultrafast tunes-none longer > >than 2min. i think,-my faves were their covers of by ccr > >and by boc. > >mike watt no slouch on bass either... > >s > >(loved yer stuff @ bananas edp clinic in san rafael,steve) > > > -- > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 10:49:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06785; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 10:47:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 10:47:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011e01c2e264$fb680360$945b4ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: OT(minutemen) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 15:43:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been listening to 'Double Nickels' loads in the last couple of days, it's amazing stuff - I think it's fairly safe to say that without the Minutemen, there'd be no RHCP... What's more, Mike Watt is a very very nice bloke - I met him at the Anaheim Bass Bash, where he was playing with Kira, doing their 'Dos' thang. Do check out the hoot page, as Dr Z suggested... :o) > (loved yer stuff @ bananas edp clinic in san rafael,steve) Thanks! :o) - that was a lot of fun, and I'm now starting to incorporate some of the stuff that Andre was doing into my set... ;o) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk (gig details, news, MP3s etc.) www.stevelawson.net (the side-door) www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk (buy CDs) www.pmrecords.gemm.com (buy the same CDs) www.solobassnetwork.org.uk (other people making solo bass noises) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 11:29:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12652; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 11:25:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 11:25:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <110.20e1d753.2b962d2b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 11:24:11 EST Subject: zoom sampler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Just in case someone might be interested, the best deal I've found so far for a new Zoom ST224 Sample Track: $306 at www.BrookMays.com clearance sale. and No shipping charge! At least in the continental USA. regards BobC The Thumb Piano Project www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 11:49:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15102; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 11:43:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 11:43:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <17CA370C-4E21-11D7-A059-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> References: <17CA370C-4E21-11D7-A059-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 08:30:14 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: OT(minutemen) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:10 AM -0600 3/4/03, Eric Williamson wrote: >punk. hmm ... > >if we get to call them a punk band, i get to call the Nice a punk band. At 2:44 AM -0800 3/4/03, Paul Weissman wrote: >i consider them punk... just one extreme edge. i mean, the clash, a punk >band? oh, definitely, except for half of their songs. the police? errr... >people put things in strange categories. In the late '70s we use "new wave" as a catchall term and "punk" to refer more narrowly to the really raw, rude, and abrasive stuff. But the terminology lines got blurred pretty quickly. I suppose a lot depends on whether you use "punk" to refer to the music or the attitude. If a brash, iconoclastic, do-it-yourself attitude is punk, then a lot of artists might be punk artists even if the music doesn't sound it. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 12:03:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17564; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 11:58:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 11:58:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <17CA370C-4E21-11D7-A059-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> References: <17CA370C-4E21-11D7-A059-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 08:57:02 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: OT(minutemen) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: -5.4 () IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.29 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >On Tuesday, March 4, 2003, at 02:42 AM, Daryl wrote: >>Minutemen were so great...and perfect antidotes for those who think >>punks can't >>play their instruments. > >punk. hmm ... > >if we get to call them a punk band, i get to call the Nice a punk band. If you get to call The Nice a Punk band, then I get to call Magma punk :-) The Minutemen epitomized the early American punk scene. Look at all the first wave of bands: Dead Kennedys, Black Flag, Husker Du, Sonic Youth, etc. They all had completely unique sounds, and most importantly, they were allowed to grow as musicians. The Minutemen were completely outside of the "music industry", and worked their asses off to get their music out (as Watt still does, though he's moved a bit closer to the mainstream). This was a huge inspiration to me, and still is. It was only later, when punk became doctrinaire, that I lost interest. It became all about who could sound the most like 1977, and a bunch of bearded talmudic scholars at Maximum Rock 'n Roll got to declare who was punk and who wasn't. For me, punk meant doing it yourself and doing your art regardless of public interest. > >btw, nels is supa cool. i'm waiting for his EH delay to crap out >though, as much as he uses it. i can't believe it hasn't erupted in >flames yet. Nels is constantly amazing, a true inspiration and seemingly a genuinely nice guy. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 12:08:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19180; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 12:00:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 12:00:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030304165951.10324.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 08:59:51 -0800 (PST) From: Squid Loop Subject: RE: OT(minutemen) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well if you want to get real technical Punk wasn't about the music as much as it was about the DIY attitude. There is a great book that talks about the indie movement and focuses a lot on the SST bands. One chapter is dedictated to Minutemen and the book even bares a title taken from a Minutemen lyric. Get it if you can: "Our Band Could Be Your Life" I went to San Pedro High School (minutemen territory) and they were a big part of my life. I got to see one of Firehoses' last shows and Mike Watt is one of the sweetest persons you can ever meet. Nels Cline is extremely down to earth as well and was my inspiration for getting back into playing music. It's very cool to see that people on this list are Minutemen fans - I would have never guessed it :) --- Paul Weissman wrote: > > i consider them punk... just one extreme edge. i > mean, the clash, a punk > band? oh, definitely, except for half of their > songs. the police? errr... > people put things in strange categories. > > minutemen were punk in a way that fits somewhere > between indie rock and > california pop punk. > > for any of the unbelievers... just go buy 'double > nickels on the dime' and > be prepared to recognize!s > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Eric Williamson > [mailto:erwill@suitandtieguy.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 1:10 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Cc: .e/chemx > > Subject: Re: OT(minutemen) > > > > > > On Tuesday, March 4, 2003, at 02:42 AM, Daryl > wrote: > > > Minutemen were so great...and perfect antidotes > for those who think > > > punks can't > > > play their instruments. > > > > punk. hmm ... > > > > if we get to call them a punk band, i get to call > the Nice a punk band. > > > > btw, nels is supa cool. i'm waiting for his EH > delay to crap out > > though, as much as he uses it. i can't believe it > hasn't erupted in > > flames yet. > > --- > > Eric Williamson > > www.suitandtieguy.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 12:18:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21029; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 12:14:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 12:14:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015101c2e271$490bff20$945b4ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <200303041524.48039.robnet@wxs.nl> Subject: Re: Lexicon MPX G2 Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:12:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > If I rember correctly, you can even specify an effect that > is to be used on the delay signal only. > > I never use the looper fx of the G2, but love to use two > mono delay effects, one left, one right, with different > delay times. I've done that as well as having a stereo signal with two completely different sounds on it, or running a pitch shift with one note coming out of each channel, or having the loops only on one side, or having reverb onto on the loop, or having the loop up an octave, or the loop through an autowah... the patching options on the G2 are fantastic... Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 12:46:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24076; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 12:45:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 12:45:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016001c2e275$204d8f00$945b4ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: OT(minutemen) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:40:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > In the late '70s we use "new wave" as a catchall term and "punk" to > refer more narrowly to the really raw, rude, and abrasive stuff. But > the terminology lines got blurred pretty quickly. > > I suppose a lot depends on whether you use "punk" to refer to the > music or the attitude. If a brash, iconoclastic, do-it-yourself > attitude is punk, then a lot of artists might be punk artists even if > the music doesn't sound it. I think it certainly has more to do with attitude than a specific musical style... While I'm sure it's handy for the majors to be able to market Blink 182 etc. as 'punk', there's not really much that embodies the spirit of punk in the nu-punk scene... The most punk thing about Mike Watt is that his DIY approach is undiminished all these years on... 'Contemplating the Engine Room' has got some stuff on it that is musically punk, and some that sounds more like Tom Waits, but the vibe is still as punk as anything... :o) ...the interesting thing for me as a listener is just how intellegent a lot of the US punk was compared to most of the crap that was coming out of the UK, even though it was supposedly born here (The Stooges, New York Dolls and MC5 notwithstanding... :o) - gimme Husker Du, Minute Men, Big Black and Blag Flag over The Exploited, 999, Gen X etc. any day... :o) any punk bands who are looping? ;o) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 12:56:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25278; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 12:54:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 12:54:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006d01c2e244$849b77f0$d1ccf5d1@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <20030304090026.69913.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Speaking of KSP8s Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 11:52:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <4A99RD.A.YJG.XgOZ-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well, it's no substitute for my edps as far as importance-for-looping goes, but there are some fantastic presets that come with the box and you can build your own "chains" that could feasibly be a big long list of delays and reverbs (the "laserverb" presets are really incredible). there's one chain that's called "the coming of dawn" which is just a series of delays and verbs and one could simply increase the feedback to have some seriously gorgeous and long lines. i don't know about the max. delay time being 20 seconds. i'm still getting through the manual. getting your head around the routing is what takes the longest, since the unit offers a minimum of 4 stereo effects buses. how does it sound when you change the delay time? you mean when you remote the feedback or remote the actual duration of the delay (say 10s to 5s)? sorry i can't rattle off a response, but i'm unclear as to exactly what you mean. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 13:00:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25832; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 12:58:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 12:58:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <17CA370C-4E21-11D7-A059-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 09:55:34 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: OT(minutemen) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <8RSYaC.A.5SG.5kOZ-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:57 AM -0800 3/4/03, Dave Trenkel wrote: >Look at all the first wave of bands: Dead Kennedys, Black Flag, >Husker Du, Sonic Youth, etc. For some of us old timers, this wasn't the first wave at all - it was more of a punk renaissance. Back in the '60s there were a number of bands we referred to as "punk rock" (the Barbarians, the Stooges, the Seeds, even the Blues Magoos). -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 13:18:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28728; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 13:14:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 13:14:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <016001c2e275$204d8f00$945b4ed5@bigboy> References: <016001c2e275$204d8f00$945b4ed5@bigboy> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 10:12:22 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: OT(minutemen) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:40 PM +0000 3/4/03, Steve Lawson wrote: >The most punk thing about Mike Watt is that his DIY approach is undiminished >all these years on... Watt was a featured speaker at the recent DIY Convention in Los Angeles. I missed out on the L.A. punk scene, being involved in doctoral studies elsewhere, but hearing Mike Watt talk made me regret missing the Minutemen. >...the interesting thing for me as a listener is just how intellegent a lot >of the US punk was compared to most of the crap that was coming out of the >UK, even though it was supposedly born here Maybe not actually born there, but certainly reared -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 13:29:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30123; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 13:23:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 13:23:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c2e27a$f1e724e0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <200202141729.MAA30571@hemlock.violacea.com> <3C6C176C.8973F737@ernieball.com> <3C6C1866.3E9E481A@ernieball.com> Subject: Loopstock 2003 questions Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 13:21:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anybody heard any more news regarding Loopstock 2003? I'd like to do a Looper Construction Kit demo but I haven't heard back regarding available space and scheduling. Time is running out for me to make travel arrangements. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 14:23:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03933; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:20:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:20:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3E64EE7C.324F7D2D@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 11:20:45 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS: Macintosh G4 looping rig References: <016001c2e275$204d8f00$945b4ed5@bigboy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey kids I'm getting a new 'puter so I figured before I hit eBay I'd offer the one I'm using now to ya'll. Here's the deal: -Macintosh G4 450 mhz -1.5 gig of Kingston Ram (put in a week ago for $300!) -Dual ATI video cards (Apps are SO much easier to use with two monitors and you can always get used monitors for cheap) -30 gig hard drive -keyboard and optical mouse software: OS 9.1, 9.2 and 10.2 (I generally run it in 9.1, as Digital Performer 3 seems to run fastest in that, but soon they'll be an OSX version out.) All the software that comes with Macs. iTunes, iPhoto, iMovie, Mail. See Apple's site for details. other software on the hard drive at this point includes: -Digital Performer 3.1 (this includes the POLAR loop module. Trust me, it kicks ass) -Nautilus MAS plug in bundle (really cool midi synchable effects. The real time granulizer is amazing. http://www.audioease.com/Pages/Nautilus/Nautilus.html) plus too many other extras to list here but it's pretty inclusive. Email me privately if you are interested and I'll go into details. I've seen this computer sell on ebay last week for $790 without all the extra ram and 2nd video card. I'm asking $900+shipping for it. If you're in the SF bay area and can pick it up and give me cash, I'll knock off $50 Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 14:31:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04926; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:30:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:30:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3E64F0E4.E17D332F@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 11:31:00 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS: Repeater (Plus others!) References: <016001c2e275$204d8f00$945b4ed5@bigboy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_iT1RD.A.HLB.15PZ-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You know the specs. 16 meg card + 8 internal (I think that's 4.5 min of loop time) Upgraded and barely used. I bought this to use as a spare/small rig unit, and I'm just not using it enough to warrant it. Can you believe concert promoters aren't knocking on my door? I can. $700 shipped to anywhere in the continental USA. If you're *really* looking to dive in for the full deal I'll add a MoFX, Warp Factory and put it all in a BRAND NEW SBK case (literally purchased last weekend.) for a grand total of: $1200 (plus shipping, that would be kind of heavy) That's right folks: Repeater, MoFX, and the coveted Warp Factory all yours for a low low price. Let me know asap or it goes on ebay. Many here will attest to my honesty. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 14:33:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05061; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:31:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:31:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030304192850.14004.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 11:28:50 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: OT(minutemen) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, we could talk about another of Watt's projects and *not* be OT; Banyan, anyone? Actual loop content! -t- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 14:39:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06070; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:38:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:38:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 16:37:20 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: 03/03/03 / Renu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I remember 8/8/88 though, recorded a great loop that day... :-) so did I yesterday, with a great tabla/perc player from London, called Renu, doughter of indian parents. She came here to learn Bahian rhythms and ends up learning about looping because she fell in love with it within an hour... you will hear more about her, I guess... >We'll see ten of these in the current decade, a total of twelve in >the century. Happens every century, but not everybody gets to see >it. Does that make us "lappers"? > > >010101 >020202 >030303 >040404 >050505 >060606 >070707 >080808 >090909 >101010 >111111 > > >-- > >______________________________________________________________ >Richard Zvonar, PhD >(818) 788-2202 >http://www.zvonar.com >http://RZCybernetics.com -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 14:39:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06083; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:38:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:38:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 16:37:34 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Undo Problem in Loop IV? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <3ZVagB.A.5cB.yBQZ-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Do you agree that that first cycle should be available (based on >memory installed, of course) using UNDO, and that it is not >available? for short loops it would be nice. But imagine you have a long loop and want to multiply it out many times: the memory would be low and you could not do the multiply in the first place and would complain... :-) At several ocasions we had to decide what we want to spend memory for... and we certainly could do it in a more sophisticated way - which turns the machine less transparent... > At this point, this is more of an academic question, because i >think that a short use of overdub before attempting any multiplies >will work for me i hope." (or i can use your suggestion, Mathias >below) exactly Thank you anyway for thinking with us! Matthias -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 14:43:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06527; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:41:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:41:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3E64F3B2.6CFA236D@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 11:42:59 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FS: Repeater (Plus others!) References: <016001c2e275$204d8f00$945b4ed5@bigboy> <3E64F0E4.E17D332F@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com BTW, all the units I'm selling have original boxes and manuals. sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > You know the specs. 16 meg card + 8 internal (I think that's 4.5 min of loop > time) Upgraded and barely used. I bought this to use as a spare/small rig > unit, and I'm just not using it enough to warrant it. Can you believe concert > promoters aren't knocking on my door? I can. > > $700 shipped to anywhere in the continental USA. > > If you're *really* looking to dive in for the full deal I'll add a MoFX, Warp > Factory and put it all in a BRAND NEW SBK case (literally purchased last > weekend.) for a grand total of: > > $1200 (plus shipping, that would be kind of heavy) > > That's right folks: Repeater, MoFX, and the coveted Warp Factory all yours for > a low low price. Let me know asap or it goes on ebay. Many here will attest > to my honesty. > > Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 14:46:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07367; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:45:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:45:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3E64F4AC.D9A4C8C7@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 11:47:08 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS: Digitech GNX2 References: <016001c2e275$204d8f00$945b4ed5@bigboy> <3E64F0E4.E17D332F@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Very new, hardly used. Here's the details: http://www.digitech.com/products/gnx2.htm great sounding processor, just not using it much and need the floor space. I've got original box and manual. $250 plus shipping. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 14:48:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06568; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:42:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:42:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030304194118.65294.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 11:41:18 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: OT(minutemen) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <016001c2e275$204d8f00$945b4ed5@bigboy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Steve Lawson wrote: > While I'm sure it's handy for the majors to > be able to market Blink > 182 etc. as 'punk', there's not really much that > embodies the spirit of punk in the nu-punk scene... Backstage at an awards show last summer, Dickie Barrett (Mighty Mighty Bosstones) was conversing with Gene Simmons (in full Kiss costume) about that very topic when Simmons called Green Day 'a pop band'. Barrett thought it would be funny to stir things up, so he collared Billy-Joe whose last name escapes me (guitarist/singer for Green Day who apparently thinks Green Day is a punk band) and said "Ask Gene what kind of a band Green Day is!" Simmons repeated "Green Day is a *pop* band" which inspired the much younger Green Day guy (and all the shorter for not wearing 7" dragon-headed Kiss boots like Simmons was) to attempt to engage Simmons in fisticuffs. Hmmmm..... -t- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 14:52:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07595; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:47:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:47:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030303152244.64417.qmail@web80214.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030303152244.64417.qmail@web80214.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 16:46:27 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP Reverse Halfspeed Rhythmic Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You use the word multiply in a new way, which is rather confusing for EDP users. We are used to "half speed". This function makes the hole machine work at half speed, so there is no way to copy the signal to another loop, since it is also at half speed and when switch to full speed, all normal pitch again. But to automate from a sequencer is simple. And when you switch speed while recording, you get you jumps recorded! >To clarify: I want to create a loop which jumps up and down in pitch >via dividing/mulitplying the length, in rythm, automatically. I >either want to be able to automate the multiply/divide function via >midi signals from a sequencer (ideal) or to simply be able to record >from one loop while I rythmically multiply/divide it via the >footswitch onto another loop, so I get a recorded loop that jumps up >and down rythmically. > > SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > >In a message dated 27/02/03 20:42:33 GMT Standard Time, >Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > >> Heh. Well I definitely notice a loss in clarity in 28 second mode, >> especially when overdubbing, but I'm running it in front of my amp. I >really >> love the half time and reverse features though, and when you cut it in half >> to shift the pitch up an octave it starts sounding clearer again. I LOVE >that >> "chipmunk" sound, and I love backwards guitar, so you can imagine my joy at >> discovering I could do "backwards chipmunk" guitar stuff on my DL-4 when I >> got it. BTW I know the EDP can do the same thing, but is there a way to >make >> it do this in rythmic sequences, or to record from one loop to another >while >> clicking the multiply/divide switch? - Kirkland > >not sure I understand the ques t! ion exactly...but > >With the EDP you can specify that the Reversing/Halfspeed >happens at the end of the loop, or at an exactly on the 8th note. >So you can, for instance, reverse the loop for a while and >stay exactly in time when you return to forward play. > >You can also produce a rhythmic loop consisting of fragments >of sound some of which are reversed. > >You can copy all or part of a loop to another loop by >hitting Multiply after Nextloop. (and by a number of other ways) > >You can have the copy start playing reversed straight away. >(as soon as the copy is completed) > >...and so on > >andy butler -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 16:14:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21196; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 16:12:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 16:12:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 13:10:50 -0800 Subject: Re: OT(minutemen) To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <17CA370C-4E21-11D7-A059-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > btw, nels is supa cool. i'm waiting for his EH delay to crap out > though, as much as he uses it. i can't believe it hasn't erupted in > flames yet. > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > i have spoken w/ nels(i can call him nels!) concerning his and he's had it explode or at least not work a number of times-he has a guy in texas that works on his. i contacted the guy about working on mine and he said it wasnt worth it-so i guess you have to be a celebrity or sompin... mine holds up pretty amazinglee-considering all its been thru-what it does-and how long its been around.(knock on wood!!) stan(itarium) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 16:26:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23220; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 16:23:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 16:23:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: repeater noise problems Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 13:20:40 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com does anyone know of any common problems with repeater noise? i vaguely recall a thread about this, but i could be imagining things. i have a repeater here that has a very high noise output on both main and headphones. any ideas? thanks, paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 16:32:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24855; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 16:30:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 16:30:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3E650D1D.2810934@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 13:31:25 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: repeater noise problems References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think there were some units with defects, but I think a lot of peoples issues with the Repeater stem from the fact that it's strictly a line level device and doesn't do well with guitar/instrument level stuff. Tricky to set up your gain stages if you're going into a guitar amp. Mark Paul Weissman wrote: > does anyone know of any common problems with repeater noise? i vaguely > recall a thread about this, but i could be imagining things. i have a > repeater here that has a very high noise output on both main and headphones. > any ideas? > > thanks, > paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 16:35:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25288; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 16:32:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 16:32:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009201c2e29d$9e19a9a0$a538fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <20030304090026.69913.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> <006d01c2e244$849b77f0$d1ccf5d1@g0wn7> Subject: So you want an effects processor (A5000)? Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:30:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Effected Loopers- I use a Yamaha A5000 sampler as an outboard effects processor. It's funny, because the A5000 has SIX effects blocks which you can route in parallel or series and 96 (some of which are two or more effects at once, so it's really more than 96) different effects, each with up to 16 parameters that can be adjusted beforehand and/or controlled by MIDI continuous control messages. Effects like delay and flange can sync to MIDI clock via the program LFO. As far as inputs go, you can either send the right and left to the effects as a stereo pair, or turn right and left into two mono channels. But, if you do the mono route and you send the signal to a stereo delay, it will still make your signal stereo! The A4/5000 comes with two stereo pairs of outputs, so you could plug in two guitars or whatever (on into the L input and one into the R), run them through effects, and get two seperate stereo signals off the back of the sampler. If you add the AIEB2 expansion board, there's another three stereos pairs of outputs to play with and a SPDIF out. I'm just reading all this stuff about the MPX G2 (76 effects, 7 in a row, $1,349), and the MPX1 (54 effects, 4 in a row plus reverb, $699) and saying, "Yeah my sampler pretty much does that -- and it's a sampler, too!" Since everyone thinks software samplers are so great the A4000s (three effects blocks) and A5000s (six effects blocks) are typically going for peanuts on Ebay, usually with all kinds of upgrades like maxed out memory and external SCSI peripherals. Unfortunately, you can only control four effects parameters at a time (period), via MIDI CCs. But, by creating different programs containing only effects information, you could send program change messages if you wanted to control different parameters. I made a program for my gigs last weekend that was TechMod (a ring modulator) --> LoFi (reduce the sample rate of the input to 2kHz) --> 3BandEQ --> Pitch1 (a two-voice pitch shifter, which I control via MIDI CC for dive bomb effects and squeals -- sorry, Digitech, I don't need your $199 Whammy pedal) --> Comp[ressor]. This makes the most wicked synth bass sounds I've ever heard that weren't actually synth bass. I am about ready to throw my Electroharmonix Bass Microsynth up on Ebay, because the A5K is much better. Here's some examples of the effects. Many of them are very unique, and many combine more than one effect... Scratch (adds an analog record scratch sound to the input signal) Auto-Syn (adds a weird synthesizer noise to the input) Tech-Mod (ring modulator) NoisAmb (adds noise and uses a delay to broaden the sound) Jump (cuts apart the input signal and applies extreme modulation to the playback order or speed) BeatChg (modifies waveform length of the sound in realtime) Pitch1 (changes the pitch of the input signal LoReso (simulates a lowered resolution of the input signal) Radio (simulates a radio) TurnTbl (simulates the noise of an analog record) OvDr+Dly (overdrive and delay are connected in series) AmpSimS (Stereo amp simulator) C+DS+DL (compressor, distortion, and delay are connected in series) W+OD+DL (auto-wah, overdrive, and delay are connected in series) etc. etc. These as well as the vanilla delay, stereo delay, chorus, stereo chorus, hi/lo/band-pass filters, several rotary speaker simulators, amp simulators, distortion (although, the distortion is crap), auto-wah, compression, eight different reverbs (all with adjustable parameters), and MIDI clock-syncable versions of effects. So, yeah, that's my contribution to the effects processor rants. Not only is the A5000 a killer effects processor, but you can playback monkey noises, or George Bush quote samples (oh, wait, those are nearly one in the same) during your performance should you desire it. -Jesse From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 16:35:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25280; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 16:32:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 16:32:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: RE: repeater noise problems Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 16:26:55 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c2e294$c7aa2910$330a230a@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <2ne95C.A.MJG.zsRZ-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 1) dry mute the input (only works if you have the repeater in an aux/fx loop)- push STOP + OVERDUB buttons together, this helps a lot on the noise floor issue. 2) when recording to CFC, the right channel (or was it left?) has artifacts in the audio apparently stemming from the flash card drive operation 3) unbalanced ins/outs, unlike the other Electrix gear (grrr ... why'd they have to be broke when they r&d'ed this thing?) Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Weissman [mailto:paul-mailinglists@nioterra.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 4:21 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: repeater noise problems > > > > does anyone know of any common problems with repeater noise? > i vaguely > recall a thread about this, but i could be imagining things. i have a > repeater here that has a very high noise output on both main > and headphones. > any ideas? > > > thanks, > paul > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 16:38:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25672; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 16:34:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 16:34:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clifford" To: Subject: RE: repeater noise problems Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 13:32:17 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c2e295$87bb51c0$6401a8c0@om> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com TONS in the archives on this topic- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 17:07:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30522; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:05:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:05:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 19:03:55 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Effect units with inserts (was: Lexicon MPX G2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <9NlCtD.A.AbH.YLSZ-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark suggested: >I was going to say that the Roland GP100 scores reasonably well on this >front as well. thats right, Mark! It took me a while to find a manual. ftp://ftp.cygnarowicz.com/pub/gp100/GP-100_Owners_Manual.pdf >It has a stereo effects loop that supports placement at >arbitrary positions in the signal chain. and you can choose mono-series mono-parallel and stereo which helps to use two EDPs in different ways >It also has two outputs which can >be helpful as a way to add some final effects is you have another mixer >available afterwards. On the other hand, it doesn't have a looper and it >doesn't have MIDI syncable effects. > >I also really doubt that it's reverb can match Lexicon's. (And 20 seconds is >nothing. I used to love to crank the reverb time on my SPX90 up to 99 >seconds. Great fun when used in conjunction with the cheap little Korg drum >machine I had at the time.) yes, seems its limited to 10sec only :-( >Although discontinued for some reason (I'm sure findable on ebay) >the Digitech 2112 and 2120 have a pretty good effects loop. >Although it's insert point is fixed, it's after the preamp. Useful >for looping. ok, in general... but I need at least the pitch shifting and preferably modulation and crazy effects before the loop! >I've tried the EDP in it with good results. I actually compared >it's distortions/preamp to the Lexicon G2 and it's no contest. The >Digitech blows it away. does that mean its better? >Time based effects are another story... this means they are not as good, I expect... > >Mark Thank you Matthias > >on 3/2/03 2:06 PM, Matthias Grob at matthias@grob.org wrote: > > > Thank you everybody for those informations. >> >> It reinforces my impression that this unit is especially suited for >> looping since: >> - it has a looper in it >> - it can send and receive MIDIclock to sync this internal looper to an >> external >> - it has a insert between two effect stages for the external looper and >> - you can choose for any effect to be before or after the inserted looper. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 17:07:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30425; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:04:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:04:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030302143231.02acf070@loopers-delight.com> References: <200303020950.42621.robnet@wxs.nl> <3E5ECB59.5070507@earthlink.net> <200303020950.42621.robnet@wxs.nl> <5.1.1.6.2.20030302143231.02acf070@loopers-delight.com> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 19:03:55 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Lexicon MPX G2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You are right, I am sorry I did not look that up first. (by the way, both Lexicon links dont work any more. The actual is: http://www.lexicon.com/mpxg2/index.asp ) Really, no one did the clock test in those mails, nor on Harmony Central... >At 02:06 PM 3/2/2003, Matthias Grob wrote: >>I am amazed that no one seems to have experience in syncing the >>internal looper with an external one. > >there is a section for the MPX-G2 on the Looper's Delight site with >a couple of reviews of its looping functions: >http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/MPX-G2/MPX-G2.html > >If you check the list archives (there is a link on that page to do >the search) there are several discussions about it, including about >midi sync. Apparently Lexicon said the looper can sync to midi >clock, but I didn't see anybody who had tried it.... (I didn't look >very long though, maybe someone did) > >kim -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 17:07:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30576; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:06:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:06:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 19:03:55 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Spring loaded pedals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >on 3/2/03 2:06 PM, Matthias Grob at matthias@grob.org wrote: > >> oh, great, sounds like a perfect pedal for FB: step on it to make the >> FB >1 so the loop grows with every repetition... >> well, the EDP soft is not ready for this, but could be adapted... >> and it still might not be acurate enough to really hit FB=1 to get >> eternal repetition... > >Short of that, in delay mode, it would work well for turning hold on and >off. Provide a way to set the fixed point as 100%. Pressing through it puts >things into hold. Pressing again, exits out. That's actually what I've been >trying to get a pedal to do. hmm. interesting idea... >The FC-7 will work this way with the wah effect on the DG-Stomp, but the >DG-Stomp doesn't have a way to transmit the wah switching as a MIDI >controller. did not understand, what happens to the effect when you press down fully? switch off the effect? >Another issues seems to be one of compatibility. The EDP likes the EV-5. >(Well, mostly. I have one EDP that at least with Loop3 oscillated wierdly >with respect to feedback using the EV-5. I haven't tried it with Loop4. I >should go do that...) It has a very strange response curve with the FC7. > >My Korg DL8000R, on the other hand, prefers the FC7 to the EV-5. (I haven't >sprung for a Korg EXP2 for which the discount price seems to be $80.) this would probably be adaptable... does it use a standard potentiometer? what is the mechanical prinicple? > >Mark > >---- > >FS: Line 6 FM4 Filter Modeler pedal. Excellent condition. $170 + shipping. > >FS: Electrix Repeater. Virtually new (used for only a few hours). $725. > > e-mail me off list if interested. Thanks. you better put that into a separate post with the correct subject :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 17:14:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31464; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:10:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:10:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 Message-ID: <3E652443.2010101@ernieball.com> Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 14:10:11 -0800 From: Hans Lindauer Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopstock 2003 questions References: <200303042135.QAA26049@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3OxG9B.A.uqH.iQSZ-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I thought I had gotten back to everyone who sent in a submission, but apparently I must have missed some. If I missed anyone else, please get back to me. Thanks, -Hans > Has anybody heard any more news regarding Loopstock 2003? > > I'd like to do a Looper Construction Kit demo but I haven't heard back > regarding available space and scheduling. Time is running out for me to > make travel arrangements. > > Dennis Lea From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 17:21:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32539; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:18:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:18:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030304221702.55244.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:17:02 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: zvex lo-fi looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030221233926.57538.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone tried this? What'd ya think? -t- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 17:31:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01312; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:26:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:26:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: repeater noise problems Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:23:02 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3E650D1D.2810934@zerocrossing.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8FhWE.A.0R.hfSZ-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com how about noise with nothing playing back and nothing plugged in? turning the volume up on this unit ends up with a really electrical sounding zippery type noise. strange. i'll have to go get my other one and do a comparison. > -----Original Message----- > From: sine@zerocrossing.net [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 12:31 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: repeater noise problems > > > I think there were some units with defects, but I think a lot of > peoples issues > with the Repeater stem from the fact that it's strictly a line > level device and > doesn't do well with guitar/instrument level stuff. Tricky to > set up your gain > stages if you're going into a guitar amp. > > Mark > > Paul Weissman wrote: > > > does anyone know of any common problems with repeater noise? i vaguely > > recall a thread about this, but i could be imagining things. i have a > > repeater here that has a very high noise output on both main > and headphones. > > any ideas? > > > > thanks, > > paul > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 17:32:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01328; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:27:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:27:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: Repeater utility (was RE: Repeater owners question) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:24:01 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ok, well... things sound good. i'll figure out my schedule and put some days in to do it. hopefully it'll go pretty fast... it better cause it looks like several gigs, WMC and some work in another studio will reside in the next 3-4 weeks. i'm tired just thinking about it. oy. thanks for the responses... i'll keep everyone posted. no more email for a while, as i'm afk for the rest of the day. i'll write back to people later. have a good day everyone... paul > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Ritchford [mailto:tom@swirly.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 5:38 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Repeater utility (was RE: Repeater owners question) > > > Paul wrote: > > >a) this isn't going to be perl. i'm writing c++ right now so it won't be > >difficult to do a quick port, and it's much nicer that way... i > prefer the > >elegant/simple solution; download the exe, run it, it works. for mac osx > >this should be simple since i'm using no M$ function calls, so > gcc under osx > >should compile it straight off. let's hope. > > People I know have had good experiences with this procedure. > > > >b) both export (repeater->pcwav) and import (pc wav->repeater) > are going to > >be command line. > > No problems here. Again, I think that people's tech. sophistication > here AND desire to use the product will make this a non-issue. > > > >c) the pc->repeater thing is really awkward but will work > >d) i'll probably do a shareware thing that's between $10-$20 for > both utils. > >e) the utils will probably do other stuff as well, like splitting stereo > >files, for example. > > Sounds like a dream. I'd certainly pay $20 for that! > > /t > -- > > http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows > every Saturday! > http://extremeNY.com/calendar .................................. > the calendar. > http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to > the calendar. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 18:13:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07044; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 18:08:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 18:08:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 15:06:58 -0800 Subject: Re: zvex lo-fi looper To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030304221702.55244.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0RMo-C.A.-sB.LHTZ-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Anyone tried this? What'd ya think? > > > > -t- i tried it when it 1st came out up @ bananas@large and bein a lofi fan i had hifi hopes-but was disapointed in its lack of features-yeah it warbles like a warped record-yeah it is lofi to the point of graineeness-but having no overdub capabilities really stifled my thoughts.jmascis uses one and i like him so i guess it works fer some people. s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 18:15:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07315; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 18:11:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 18:11:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3E6524FC.AD7F1DAE@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 15:13:16 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: repeater noise problems References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0WyFzD.A.DxB.OKTZ-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Right. All units generate some noise (noise floor) that's just the nature of reality...right now. If the unit's functioning correctly, that noise floor should be low enough compared to the signal on it so that you don't notice it. (I don't on mine) However, if you are pluging it into a guitar amp, it's going to expect a tiny signal and hope to boost it a lot. (instrument level to line level) If it's already at line level, it's still going to boost the whole thing, noise and all. You'll have to turn down your signal or you may distort the input. Now the noise is a LOT closer to the signal level. Not good. Running distortion effectivly ads compression which is even worse. I did an experiment with my guitar amp. First, I plugged the guitar right into the main in. Not much noise. Then I put the repeater before the amp. A lot of noise. Then I put the repeater in the amps stereo line level effect loop. Noise gone. That's why I bought this amp, because it was one of the only guitar amps out there that had a stereo line level effect loop. (a Johnson JT50) and it was being blown out by Musician's Friend for $250. I think it's a hell of an amp for it's price. But I digress... Mark Paul Weissman wrote: > how about noise with nothing playing back and nothing plugged in? turning > the volume up on this unit ends up with a really electrical sounding zippery > type noise. strange. i'll have to go get my other one and do a comparison. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sine@zerocrossing.net [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 12:31 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: repeater noise problems > > > > > > I think there were some units with defects, but I think a lot of > > peoples issues > > with the Repeater stem from the fact that it's strictly a line > > level device and > > doesn't do well with guitar/instrument level stuff. Tricky to > > set up your gain > > stages if you're going into a guitar amp. > > > > Mark > > > > Paul Weissman wrote: > > > > > does anyone know of any common problems with repeater noise? i vaguely > > > recall a thread about this, but i could be imagining things. i have a > > > repeater here that has a very high noise output on both main > > and headphones. > > > any ideas? > > > > > > thanks, > > > paul > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 19:27:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h250MQn16831; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 19:22:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 19:22:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: hemlock.violacea.com: looper set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com using -f Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 16:21:41 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: punk loops (was OT(minutemen)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:40 PM +0000 3/4/03, Steve Lawson wrote: >any punk bands who are looping? ;o) Back in 1978-79 I played bass in an avant-punk band called Klang. Most of us were graduate students in composition (our drummer was a surfer and undergraduate recording major). Our music was fast and odd, blending punk with ideas and techniques from avant garde music: minimalism, polytonality, phasing, cut-up, quotation and appropriation, extended vocal techniques, multiple tempo layers, etc. Most of the material was original (out sole cover was the Souxie cover "Nicotine Stain"), though we sometimes appropriated large chunks from existing songs. A typical example of this was "Robots," which contained the entire organ solo from "Light My Fire," albeit over different chord changes. We didn't do any looping per se, but used some techniques of pattern music such as gradual introduction of phasing between instruments. We also used fragmentation and permutation techniques in a song based on the Brion Gysin poem "I Am That I Am." http://www.brainwashed.com/h3o/dreamachine/i_am.html Klang was also the only band I know of to have no less than two songs inspired by Karel Capek. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 21:56:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h252oPq32601; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 21:50:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 21:50:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002401c2e2aa$46007cf0$3e57c350@p4> From: "David Swain" To: References: Subject: Re: zvex lo-fi looper Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 00:00:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01C2E2AA.45DA5750" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C2E2AA.45DA5750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It looks (and judging by the mp3's on site) sounds great, but for me it = was always a bit to expensive and scarce on features ----- Original Message -----=20 From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 11:06 PM Subject: Re: zvex lo-fi looper >=20 > > Anyone tried this? 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> ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C2E2AA.45DA5750-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 22:36:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h253XRQ05431; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 22:33:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 22:33:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 19:39:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Re: repeater noise problems Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark is right, The Repeater is a +4 line level device, and wants to see that kind of signal. If you are running the repeater strait from your guitar, then to the amp, you will need some kind of line level shifter to switch from -20db(instrument level) to +4db( line level). Ebtech and ART both make such devices. Otherwise use it in the effects return of a mixer and activate the dry/mute function on the Repeater. Most of the comb filter -type noise has to do with input signal being summed with loop signal at the Repeater's outputs. It creates that weird phasey sounding noise, and muting the signal at the input stage (the dry/mute function), will eliminate this type of noise. If you were running directly into the repeater, you can't realy use this function as you wont be able to hear your playing until you have created a loop. If this sounds confusing let me know and I'll try to explain it a different way. Also, if you let me know how you are trying to use it and with what gear, I can get a little more detailed about possible solutions. There is always a work around. Bill I think there were some units with defects, but I think a lot of peoples issues with the Repeater stem from the fact that it's strictly a line level device and doesn't do well with guitar/instrument level stuff. Tricky to set up your gain stages if you're going into a guitar amp. Mark Paul Weissman wrote: > does anyone know of any common problems with repeater noise? i vaguely > recall a thread about this, but i could be imagining things. i have a > repeater here that has a very high noise output on both main and headphones. > any ideas? > > thanks, > paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 23:32:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h254QZG12447; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 23:26:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 23:26:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E657C58.9000709@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 20:26:00 -0800 From: "Matthew F. McCabe" Reply-To: mmccabe@finleysound.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: So you want an effects processor (A5000)? References: <20030304090026.69913.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> <006d01c2e244$849b77f0$d1ccf5d1@g0wn7> <009201c2e29d$9e19a9a0$a538fc0c@amd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4LCzL.A.JCD.dxXZ-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm intrigued by your use/abuse of the A5000. How do the effects sound...quality wise? Do you feel the A5000 can stand alone as an effect processor? Do you have any audio clips on the net featuring the A5000? Thanks! Matt Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > Effected Loopers- > > I use a Yamaha A5000 sampler as an outboard effects processor. It's funny, > because the A5000 has SIX effects blocks which you can route in parallel or > series and 96 (some of which are two or more effects at once, so it's really > more than 96) different effects, each with up to 16 parameters that can be > adjusted beforehand and/or controlled by MIDI continuous control messages. > Effects like delay and flange can sync to MIDI clock via the program LFO. > > As far as inputs go, you can either send the right and left to the effects > as a stereo pair, or turn right and left into two mono channels. But, if > you do the mono route and you send the signal to a stereo delay, it will > still make your signal stereo! The A4/5000 comes with two stereo pairs of > outputs, so you could plug in two guitars or whatever (on into the L input > and one into the R), run them through effects, and get two seperate stereo > signals off the back of the sampler. If you add the AIEB2 expansion board, > there's another three stereos pairs of outputs to play with and a SPDIF out. > > I'm just reading all this stuff about the MPX G2 (76 effects, 7 in a row, > $1,349), and the MPX1 (54 effects, 4 in a row plus reverb, $699) and saying, > "Yeah my sampler pretty much does that -- and it's a sampler, too!" Since > everyone thinks software samplers are so great the A4000s (three effects > blocks) and A5000s (six effects blocks) are typically going for peanuts on > Ebay, usually with all kinds of upgrades like maxed out memory and external > SCSI peripherals. > > Unfortunately, you can only control four effects parameters at a time > (period), via MIDI CCs. But, by creating different programs containing only > effects information, you could send program change messages if you wanted to > control different parameters. > > I made a program for my gigs last weekend that was TechMod (a ring > modulator) --> LoFi (reduce the sample rate of the input to 2kHz) --> > 3BandEQ --> Pitch1 (a two-voice pitch shifter, which I control via MIDI CC > for dive bomb effects and squeals -- sorry, Digitech, I don't need your $199 > Whammy pedal) --> Comp[ressor]. This makes the most wicked synth bass > sounds I've ever heard that weren't actually synth bass. I am about ready > to throw my Electroharmonix Bass Microsynth up on Ebay, because the A5K is > much better. > > Here's some examples of the effects. Many of them are very unique, and many > combine more than one effect... > > Scratch (adds an analog record scratch sound to the input signal) > Auto-Syn (adds a weird synthesizer noise to the input) > Tech-Mod (ring modulator) > NoisAmb (adds noise and uses a delay to broaden the sound) > Jump (cuts apart the input signal and applies extreme modulation to the > playback order or speed) > BeatChg (modifies waveform length of the sound in realtime) > Pitch1 (changes the pitch of the input signal > LoReso (simulates a lowered resolution of the input signal) > Radio (simulates a radio) > TurnTbl (simulates the noise of an analog record) > OvDr+Dly (overdrive and delay are connected in series) > AmpSimS (Stereo amp simulator) > C+DS+DL (compressor, distortion, and delay are connected in series) > W+OD+DL (auto-wah, overdrive, and delay are connected in series) > etc. > etc. > > These as well as the vanilla delay, stereo delay, chorus, stereo chorus, > hi/lo/band-pass filters, several rotary speaker simulators, amp simulators, > distortion (although, the distortion is crap), auto-wah, compression, eight > different reverbs (all with adjustable parameters), and MIDI clock-syncable > versions of effects. > > So, yeah, that's my contribution to the effects processor rants. Not only > is the A5000 a killer effects processor, but you can playback monkey noises, > or George Bush quote samples (oh, wait, those are nearly one in the same) > during your performance should you desire it. > > -Jesse > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 4 23:39:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h254ZbL13338; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 23:35:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 23:35:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 23:36:40 -0500 To: Ambient List From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: [Gig Spam] Jazz improvisation to Animation & Experimental Video 3.8.03, Cambridge, MA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4-BRv.A.5PD.C6XZ-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gill Aharon (and Doctor T) invite you to an evening of IMPROVISATIONAL JAZZ to ANIMATION & EXPERIMENTAL VIDEO MUSIC: by the Fishlung Trio Brandon Seabrook Gill Aharon guest - David Fields ANIMATION: by Mark Borok EXPERIMENTAL VIDEO: by Emile Tobenfeld WHEN: Saturday, March 8 at 9:00 pm WHERE: Zeitgeist Gallery in Inman Square Also playing that night: The Friendly Bears at 8:00 Malone's Trio at 10:00 For a sneak preview, see: http://www.informmotion.biz/FishlungTRIO.html (for those of you with 56k dial-ups, you'll need some patience, but if you wait, you will hear the music & see the animation...) 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Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 5 00:54:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h255qcq23236; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 00:52:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 00:52:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Lexicon MPX G2 stupid clock Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 21:52:03 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just to clarify, and apologies to all who misunderstood: I am waiting for the upgrade ROM, being shipped from Lexicon, before I truly throw in the towel on this unit-- I am sure that someone else in the universe has tried to sync the MPX G2 to the Echoplex Digital Pro and welcome any advice-- And just for the information--the EDP seems to like the clock from other sources fine--so I hope I can eventually use the G2 for percussion looping and master clock--but there is also this http://www.phoniclab.ca/mloop.htm which might solve my problem in the future . . . Is the author of this program on this list? Respect to all and again my apologies for being unclear (which is like nucular, only better) Gary PS NEW CLEE ARE Hey maybe I need an atomic clock 8^> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 5 01:44:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h256e8A28490; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 01:40:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 01:40:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030305063930.46782.qmail@web80215.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 22:39:30 -0800 (PST) From: Kirkland Mack Subject: Vortex and Jamman in one box? was Lexicon MPX G2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-915802298-1046846370=:45417" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-915802298-1046846370=:45417 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Has Lexicon put the features of the Vortex and the Jamman into another single unit with other features to make it more "marketable"? If not, why the hell haven't they? --0-915802298-1046846370=:45417 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Has Lexicon put the features of the Vortex and the Jamman into another single unit with other features to make it more "marketable"? If not, why the hell haven't they?

--0-915802298-1046846370=:45417-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 5 01:54:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h256pIb29445; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 01:51:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 01:51:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 21:56:03 -0800 Subject: Re: Loopstock 2003 questions From: Mark Hamburg To: , Hans Lindauer Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3E652443.2010101@ernieball.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The thanks message being the acknowledgment or were there more detail? Mark on 3/4/03 2:10 PM, Hans Lindauer at hans@ernieball.com wrote: > I thought I had gotten back to everyone who sent in a submission, but > apparently I must have missed some. > > If I missed anyone else, please get back to me. > > Thanks, > > -Hans > > >> Has anybody heard any more news regarding Loopstock 2003? >> >> I'd like to do a Looper Construction Kit demo but I haven't heard back >> regarding available space and scheduling. Time is running out for me to >> make travel arrangements. >> >> Dennis Lea > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 5 01:55:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h256pJb29450; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 01:51:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 01:51:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 22:07:01 -0800 Subject: Re: Spring loaded pedals From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 3/4/03 2:03 PM, Matthias Grob at matthias@grob.org wrote: >> The FC-7 will work this way with the wah effect on the DG-Stomp, but the >> DG-Stomp doesn't have a way to transmit the wah switching as a MIDI >> controller. > > did not understand, what happens to the effect when you press down fully? > switch off the effect? Pressing past the set point activates a virtual toe-switch to toggle the wah on and off. Unfortunately, while you can transmit the pedal values as a MIDI controller value, you can't transmit the toe-switch function information. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 5 01:58:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h256svO29783; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 01:54:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 01:54:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030305065425.62828.qmail@web12307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 22:54:25 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: electric sitars To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200302150336.WAA15026@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> That sounds like the Coral Electric Sitar, which was designed by studio guitarist Vinnie Bell, and was built during the late 60's. It's been used by a lot of people, like Steve Howe uses one a lot (he uses it on Yessongs like To Be Over, Close To The Edge, Ritual, and Siberian Khatru, as well on his solo records), Steve Vai, Pat Metheny, and I think I once saw a live clip of Genesis playing I Know What I Like where you can see Steve Hackett playing one (though Mike Rutherford is credited with playing it on the studio version). It's been used on a lot of songs over the years, a couple that that stick out in my mind is Everytime You Go Away by Paul Young (and if you remember the video for that song, his guitarist is shown playing a Coral Sitar in it), and Steely Dan's Do It Again. And the intro to Metallica's Wherever I May Roam also has a Coral Sitar on it. George Harrison apparently was given one of the very first ones (probably because he played a huge role in it's creation, because he and Brian Jones set off the "raga rock" thing in the mid 60's, which mandated that studio guitarists all over NYC and LA had to either learn how to play sitar, or else come up with a reasonable facsimile, this being Vinnie Bell's version of the latter), but it got hijacked by one of his friends, by the time he got it back (something like 18 months later) "everyone had one" so he never actually got around to using it on anything. The main things that set the Coral Sitar apart from regular guitars was the 13 drone strings that were mounted above the regular guitar strings, and the bridge, which was basically a piece of hard rubber that gave the instrument it's twangy buzz. There were always two problems with the Coral Sitar: 1. Because of the way the bridge it set up, it's nearly impossible to get the intonation right 2. They were only made for a couple years, ending in like 69, so they were always hard to get ahold of. Finally, in the early 90's, I believe, a guy in Nashville named Jerry Jones not only basically reproduced the original instrument, but also fixed most of the intonation problems. I believe he calls it something like the Baby Electric Sitar or something like that, and offers models with and without drone strings. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 5 02:14:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h257CtA32650; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 02:12:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 02:12:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 23:14:57 -0800 Subject: Re: Loopstock 2003 questions From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry. That was just meant for Hans (and wasn't even grammatically correct). Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 5 05:24:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h25AMGG14463; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 05:22:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 05:22:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 05:21:33 EST Subject: Re: Re: EDP Reverse Halfspeed Rhythmic To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com matthias says ('bout EDP) > And when you switch speed while recording, you get you jumps recorded! not so, switching speed always ends the recording! or does it work with the DirectMidi commands? andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 5 05:34:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h25AVgf15297; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 05:31:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 05:31:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <103.28b9500e.2b972beb@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 05:31:07 EST Subject: Re: Re: EDP Reverse Halfspeed Rhythmic To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > To clarify: I want to create a loop which jumps up and down in pitch via > dividing/mulitplying the length, in rythm, automatically. I either want to be > able to automate the multiply/divide function via midi signals from a > sequencer (ideal) yes this is possible > or to simply be able to record from one loop while I > rythmically multiply/divide it via the footswitch onto another loop, so I get > a recorded loop that jumps up and down rythmically. Well with one EDP the most you can do is change speed while overdubbing(as the record function would be terminated by changing the speed). So if you overdub onto an empty loop you get what you want, as all the EDP functions can be triggered from a sequencer. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 5 08:43:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h25DeOM32667; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 08:40:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 08:40:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.154.237.16] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex and Jamman in one box? was Lexicon MPX G2 Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 08:39:40 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Mar 2003 13:39:40.0703 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC2D3AF0:01C2E31C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The G2 does have some vortex patches in the modulation section. I don't know how they sound though as I never play with the unit... >From: Kirkland Mack >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Vortex and Jamman in one box? was Lexicon MPX G2 >Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 22:39:30 -0800 (PST) > > >Has Lexicon put the features of the Vortex and the Jamman into another >single unit with other features to make it more "marketable"? If not, why >the hell haven't they? _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 5 09:34:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h25ESeY05450; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 09:28:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 09:28:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030305142801.59723.qmail@web80203.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 06:28:01 -0800 (PST) From: Kirkland Mack Subject: anti war petition To: Scott Barkan , Dorine Bishara , Carly , Jarred F Connor , Tim Erk , Mathew Jobst , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Jen Mack , p_lukaszow@yahoo.com, Eric Strom , Grace Wasik , Rachel Wright MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2022574942-1046874481=:58753" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-2022574942-1046874481=:58753 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear friend,I'm hoping you can join me on an emergency petition from citizens around the world to the U.N. Security Council. Thepetition's going to be delivered to the 15 member states ofthe Security Council on THURSDAY, MARCH 6.If hundreds of thousands of us sign, it could be an enormouslyimportant and powerful message -- people from all over theworld joining in a single call for a peaceful solution. Butwe really need everyone who agrees to sign up today. You can do so easily and quickly at: http://www.moveon.org/emergency/The stakes couldn't really be much higher. A war with Iraqcould kill tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians and inflamethe Middle East. According to current plans, it would requirean American occupation of the country for years to come. Andit could escalate in ways that are horrifying to imagine.We can stop this tragedy from unfolding. But we need to speaktogether, and we need to do so now. Let's show the SecurityCouncil what world citizens think.Thank you,Kirkland Mack --0-2022574942-1046874481=:58753 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii 
Dear friend,

I'm hoping you can join me on an emergency petition from 
citizens around the world to the U.N. Security Council.  The
petition's going to be delivered to the 15 member states of
the Security Council on THURSDAY, MARCH 6.

If hundreds of thousands of us sign, it could be an enormously
important and powerful message -- people from all over the
world joining in a single call for a peaceful solution.  But
we really need everyone who agrees to sign up today.  You can 
do so easily and quickly at:

   http://www.moveon.org/emergency/

The stakes couldn't really be much higher.   A war with Iraq
could kill tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians and inflame
the Middle East.  According to current plans, it would require
an American occupation of the country for years to come.  And
it could escalate in ways that are horrifying to imagine.

We can stop this tragedy from unfolding.  But we need to speak
together, and we need to do so now.  Let's show the Security
Council what world citizens think.

Thank you,
Kirkland Mack
--0-2022574942-1046874481=:58753-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 5 09:39:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h25EXEp05984; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 09:33:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 09:33:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030305143214.68952.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 06:32:14 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: electric sitars To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030305065425.62828.qmail@web12307.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jerry Jones makes two models of electric sitar; here are links to pictures/specs. The "Master" is a copy of the Vinnie Bell Coral, while the "Baby" is the one without the sympathetic strings that's a copy of the 1967-1969 Danelectro Sitar. I remember walking into Friendly River Fretted Instruments in Cornish, ME around 1980 and seeing five or six original Corals hanging on the wall, and being bummed that I didn't have $500 (!) to buy one... -t- --- Chris Richards wrote: > Finally, in the early 90's, I believe, a guy in > Nashville named Jerry Jones not only basically > reproduced the original instrument, but also > fixed most of the intonation problems. I believe > he calls it something like the Baby Electric > Sitar or something like that, and offers models > with and without drone strings. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 5 10:00:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h25EsEp08841; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 09:54:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 09:54:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c2e326$e1c5e360$7f49dd0c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <20030305143214.68952.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: electric sitars Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 08:52:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I modified my Jerry Jones model sitar and have put up a page about it if anyone is interested: http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/sitar/sitar Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 5 10:12:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h25F8Ge11659; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 10:08:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 10:08:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: electric sitars--Your mod on the Jerry Jones Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 07:07:26 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000801c2e326$e1c5e360$7f49dd0c@insightbb.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark-- Cool instrument, cool site, and I think just about everybody needs to level and hang. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 5 10:13:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h25F9UN11791; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 10:09:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 10:09:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 10:08:49 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: electric sitars To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <02f101c2e329$2037fe60$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20030305143214.68952.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> <000801c2e326$e1c5e360$7f49dd0c@insightbb.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Smart" > I modified my Jerry Jones model sitar and have put up a page about it if anyone is interested: > > http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/sitar/sitar The mini Grovers must be very nice. Every raga is (should) be tuned differently, so it's a real pain in the ass to retune an acoustic sitar or sarod. My friend Lisa Moskow had a luthier convert an acoustic sarod into an electric sarod and one of the cooler improvements was changing the tuners. Instead of playing long improvisations around one tuning, she can play many shorter pieces and change the tuning for each one. Much more flexible. * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 5 10:48:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h25Fkvq16908; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 10:46:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 10:46:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030305154518.40104.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 07:45:18 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: repeater noise problems To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I think there were some units with defects, but I think a lot of peoples issues > with the Repeater stem from the fact that it's strictly a line level device and > doesn't do well with guitar/instrument level stuff. Tricky to set up your gain > stages if you're going into a guitar amp. What about using the front panel input, which is for instrument level signals? I've used it and it seemed to work fine. I don't remember it being more noisy then the rear inputs, but it is mono and you may need to use a different working methodology to your looping. Then you'd use an attenuation cable to get the Repeater's line level output back down to instrument level to use in your guitar setup. Electrix used to have a schematic for making one on their website (in the Repeater FAQ, I believe). Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 5 10:51:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h25FnYI17552; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 10:49:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 10:49:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030305154853.65089.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 07:48:53 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Spring loaded pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Hamburg wrote: > on 3/4/03 2:03 PM, Matthias Grob at matthias@grob.org wrote: > > >> The FC-7 will work this way with the wah effect on the DG-Stomp, but the > >> DG-Stomp doesn't have a way to transmit the wah switching as a MIDI > >> controller. > > > > did not understand, what happens to the effect when you press down fully? > > switch off the effect? > > Pressing past the set point activates a virtual toe-switch to toggle the wah > on and off. Unfortunately, while you can transmit the pedal values as a MIDI > controller value, you can't transmit the toe-switch function information. Right, because there isn't a switch, per se. It just stops at a certain midi CC value. When you press down past that (using the spring, which will return when you let off), it transmit higher CC values. It still only goes to 127. In the wah config menu of the DG Stomp, you define what CC values for the expression pedal will activate the "switch" function of the wah effect. So the implementation of the switch is within the DG Stomp, not the FC-7. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 5 10:54:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h25FqGE18356; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 10:52:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 10:52:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030305065425.62828.qmail@web12307.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030305065425.62828.qmail@web12307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 07:47:58 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: electric sitars Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <2rzlKD.A.GWE.yzhZ-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:54 PM -0800 3/4/03, Chris Richards wrote: >That sounds like the Coral Electric Sitar... Finally, in the early >90's, I believe, a guy in Nashville named Jerry Jones not only >basically reproduced the original instrument, but also fixed most of >the intonation problems. I believe he calls it something like the >Baby Electric Sitar or something like that, and offers models with >and without drone strings. I have a Jerry Jones Master Sitar with the classic "gator" red crackle finish. I keep it tuned to an open D. I used it on the Alias Zone "Lucid Dreams" CD. The buzz bridge is made of wood. Otherwise it is similar to the Coral as Chris describes it. Jerry Jones also makes a Baby Sitar, which lacks the sympathetic strings. A couple of years ago NAMM he showed a version of the Master Sitar that had a head stock and regular guitar tuners for the sympathetic strings, rather than the autoharp-style tuners that require a key. I imagine this was a one-off, since it hasn't appeared on his Web site. For those unfamiliar, Jerry Jones filled the void left when Danelectro ceased production by creating improved versions of many of their models. Now that Dano is back he carries on in the same fashion. http://www.jerryjonesguitars.com/Master%20sitar.htm http://www.jerryjonesguitars.com/Baby%20sitar.htm Also check out the "shorty" 12-string http://www.jerryjonesguitars.com/Nshorty.htm -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 5 11:10:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h25G7Ue23223; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:07:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:07:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030305160556.51777.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 08:05:56 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: electric sitars To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000801c2e326$e1c5e360$7f49dd0c@insightbb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <1jm6rC.A.woF.qBiZ-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, that's a great mod! I just put a link to it over at the Eccentric Luthiery Support Group site... -t- --- Mark Smart wrote: > I modified my Jerry Jones model sitar and have put > up a page about it if anyone is interested: > > http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/sitar/sitar __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 5 11:56:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h25Glc828229; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:47:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:47:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <125.1f1f8c19.2b9783c6@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:45:58 EST Subject: Interview spam: Crevice/ Re:Cooperation To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Interview: http://www.esotericecho.com/int-unclebuzz.html Reviews: http://www.esotericecho.com/unclebuzz.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 5 11:57:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h25GpLN28582; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:51:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:51:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004501c2e337$37627120$7f49dd0c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <20030305065425.62828.qmail@web12307.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: electric sitars Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 10:49:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I have a Jerry Jones Master Sitar with the classic "gator" red > crackle finish. I keep it tuned to an open D. I used it on the Alias > Zone "Lucid Dreams" CD. Cool. You mean an open D chord, or just drop the bottom string to D? I usually just drop the bottom string to D so my scale patterns still work. > The buzz bridge is made of wood. Otherwise it is similar to the Coral > as Chris describes it. I've never seen a Coral in real life, but from photos I've seen it looks to me like the bridge on the Jerry Jones is carved differently than the Coral. The Coral seems to have one big curved area for all the strings, where the Jerry Jones has a separate curve carved for each string. My Jerry jones was very neck-heavy, so I moved the strap button to the back to make it balance better. I don't know if the neck-heaviness was due to Jones using heavier wood than the original or what. Mark Smart www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 5 11:57:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h25GqJY28737; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:52:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:52:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 08:51:58 -0800 Subject: Re: Vortex and Jamman in one box? was Lexicon MPX G2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've had a Vortex and a JamMan and I'm testing out a G2 right now. My hope is to replace my 6 space Electrix Rack (Repeater, MoFX, Warp Factory) with one nice neat little unit. The first impression is the sound is immeasurably better than either of their units... however I'm getting drift when trying to synch a loop to a MIDI clock. And that old JamMan click seems to be there as well. Did they learn nothing? Bob Sallon where are you!? We need your help! I haven't been deep enough in the G2 yet to say if it's as cool as the vortex, but I will say that it's cousin the MPX1 DOES have similar capabilities, and I highly recommend it as a loop mangler and general all purpose time based effects box. Mark On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 05:39 AM, Louis Rossi wrote: > > The G2 does have some vortex patches in the modulation section. I > don't know how they sound though as I never play with the unit... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 5 12:27:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h25HLFo00907; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:21:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:21:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030305171952.34028.qmail@web12305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 09:19:52 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: Backstage fisticuffs (or at least arguments To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200303042135.QAA26050@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> Attempt? I take it The Demon refused to oblige him, huh? It's funny how uptight people like that get. Reminds me of the rumor that went around back in 94 or so that Danzig were playing at some festival in Europe, on the same bill as Def Leppard. According to rumor, Danzig got into an argument, and fisticuffs with one of the Leppard guys, and apparently lost. So, Danzig puts out this press release saying how this is just a rumor and that there's no way he would have gotten a bloody nose from any of the Def Leppard guys and then goes on to say that the rumor was probably started by one of the Def Leppard guys because he's too much of a wimp to deal with Danzig face to face. One of the most hilarious things I'd ever seen. The guy is so wrapped up in himself, he's worried whether or not people will think one of the guitarists from Def Leppard can kick his ass!!!!!! What a loser! I mean, have you ever SEEN Glenn Danzig?! It doesn't take a rocket scientist (or a press release) to know there was no way one of the Def Leppard guy was gonna give HIM a bloody nose (unless the Leppards have been working out a bit more diligently since their last brush with Stateside fame)!!!! ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 5 12:48:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h25Hgbk03877; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:42:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:42:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004501c2e337$37627120$7f49dd0c@insightbb.com> References: <20030305065425.62828.qmail@web12307.mail.yahoo.com> <004501c2e337$37627120$7f49dd0c@insightbb.com> Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 09:15:17 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: electric sitars Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:49 AM -0600 3/5/03, Mark Smart wrote: >You mean an open D chord, or just drop the bottom string to D? D-A-A-D-A-D (high to low) >I usually just drop the bottom string to D so my scale patterns >still work. My tuning is drone-oriented. I can easily play the same patterns on different sets of strings while maintaining a continuous drone on the rest. >The Coral seems to have one big curved area for all the strings, >where the Jerry Jones has a separate curve carved for each string. Yes. > >My Jerry jones was very neck-heavy Yes. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 5 12:49:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h25Hjef04471; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:45:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:45:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030305174450.80670.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 09:44:50 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Backstage fisticuffs (or at least arguments To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030305171952.34028.qmail@web12305.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The way I heard it described was that Simmons sort of straight-armed him, holding him away at arm's length while Billy-Joe flailed for a few seconds until it was broken up. Pretty silly... This may be a rumor*, but I heard a similar story about a punch-up between Bill Frisell and Robert Fripp sparked by a casual nickname for the EH-16... *It's _definitely_ untrue... See how the Internet starts these things? ;^) -t- --- Chris Richards wrote: > > attempt to engage Simmons in fisticuffs.>> > Attempt? I take it The Demon refused to oblige > him, huh? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 5 13:04:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h25I1R608056; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 13:01:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 13:01:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 10:03:02 -0800 Subject: Re: Spring loaded pedals From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030305154853.65089.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know. I just wish that I could get the DG-Stomp to transmit the computed switch as a MIDI CC message. I don't need the DG-Stomp's wah effect, but it would be a more useful MIDI controller if I could exploit the logic it's already got. (Okay. I'd probably also want a way to remap the expression pedal range so that the set point became control value 127.) Mark on 3/5/03 7:48 AM, Greg House at ghunicycle@yahoo.com wrote: > Right, because there isn't a switch, per se. It just stops at a certain midi > CC > value. When you press down past that (using the spring, which will return when > you let off), it transmit higher CC values. It still only goes to 127. In the > wah > config menu of the DG Stomp, you define what CC values for the expression > pedal > will activate the "switch" function of the wah effect. So the implementation > of > the switch is within the DG Stomp, not the FC-7. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 5 13:45:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h25IeE212232; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 13:40:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 13:40:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: illness@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 13:21:39 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mike iLL Subject: h'dware In-Reply-To: <3E64EE7C.324F7D2D@zerocrossing.net> References: <016001c2e275$204d8f00$945b4ed5@bigboy> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mark, thanks so much for the hardware. i think i found an old copy of performer which should be perfect to run with it. bless you. mike http://www.madhappy.tv http://www.SoundOptik.com http://www.StreetSyndicate.com http://www.PsychicSpyChick.com http://www.VisitHoboken.com http://www.bar-none.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 5 14:11:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h25J4Fr15680; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 14:04:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 14:04:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030305190219.59072.qmail@web40307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:02:19 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Meyers Subject: greetings from the music messe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030305154518.40104.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com greetings from frankfurt...just curious if anything is going on in this city while the music messe is happening? peace and bass...evan __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 5 14:27:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h25JKvI17771; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 14:20:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 14:20:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: illness@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 14:04:23 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mike iLL Subject: Re: punk loops (was OT(minutemen)) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes, Burroughs (W.S.) is oft. considered an "original punk" and wrote about cut-ups and tape loops (actually did some work wioth looping of spoken word tapes). check his "The Ticket that Exploded" and "The Job" (both books). i consider the work of Peaches to be great contemporary punk looping music/songwriting. At 04:21 PM 3/4/03 -0800, you wrote: >At 5:40 PM +0000 3/4/03, Steve Lawson wrote: > >>any punk bands who are looping? ;o) > >Back in 1978-79 I played bass in an avant-punk band called Klang. >Most of us were graduate students in composition (our drummer was a >surfer and undergraduate recording major). Our music was fast and >odd, blending punk with ideas and techniques from avant garde music: >minimalism, polytonality, phasing, cut-up, quotation and >appropriation, extended vocal techniques, multiple tempo layers, etc. > >Most of the material was original (out sole cover was the Souxie >cover "Nicotine Stain"), though we sometimes appropriated large >chunks from existing songs. A typical example of this was "Robots," >which contained the entire organ solo from "Light My Fire," albeit >over different chord changes. We didn't do any looping per se, but >used some techniques of pattern music such as gradual introduction of >phasing between instruments. We also used fragmentation and >permutation techniques in a song based on the Brion Gysin poem "I Am >That I Am." > > http://www.brainwashed.com/h3o/dreamachine/i_am.html > >Klang was also the only band I know of to have no less than two songs >inspired by Karel Capek. >-- > >______________________________________________________________ >Richard Zvonar, PhD >(818) 788-2202 >http://www.zvonar.com >http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.madhappy.tv http://www.SoundOptik.com http://www.StreetSyndicate.com http://www.PsychicSpyChick.com http://www.VisitHoboken.com http://www.bar-none.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 5 15:27:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h25KLoe25563; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 15:21:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 15:21:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030305202004.6266.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:20:04 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: DG Stomp (was: Spring loaded pedals) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Hamburg wrote: > I know. I just wish that I could get the DG-Stomp to transmit the computed > switch as a MIDI CC message. Yeah, that'd be useful. > I don't need the DG-Stomp's wah effect, I'd use it if I could tweek a decent sound into it. I messed with it for awhile and it never sounded good to me. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 5 15:58:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h25KsAc29210; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 15:54:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 15:54:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E665618.F637BAE5@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 12:55:05 -0700 From: sine@zerocrossing.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: success getting a loop synched to midi on a Lexicon G2? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So... so much talk about this device, yet I can't seem to find a single definitive account of anyone actually having some success syncing a loop to a MIDI clock. Lexicon seems to believe that it's totally possible. Nothing on their site about how one could upgrade to rom v 1.1, but the manual to 1.1 doesn't mention midi sync issues. Mark > > >>> > >>> oh, right, it has a Jamman! Is is it also MIDIclocky? > >>> would be great to record the bass line on it and then keep renewing > >>> the theme on the synced EDP... did you do that? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 5 17:22:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h25MHuo08322; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 17:17:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 17:17:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List \(E-mail\)" Subject: slightly ot: the quest for a groovebox Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 23:16:22 +0100 Message-ID: <002801c2e364$f9b4ddd0$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Loopers, motivated by recent discussions on the list regarding groove boxes, I do now venture to find the right groove box for me. My expectations would be: must-have: * tap tempo feature * must both send and sync to MIDI clock * should be able to sample something and then run it in parallel to the playing pattern * at least two pairs of outputs nice-to-haves: * the "usual" effects you use for contemporary drum loops * good realtime controllers * storage media which make sense Focus of usage wouldn't be strictly looping, but rather my free-improvisation dance project, where I'd like to play prerecorded drum loops (in tapped tempo), and then sample the musicians and modify their part, which will then become part of the loop (on another track, if possible). Does the Roland MC-909 really do all of this (i.e. the must-haves)? Is there any (cheaper) alternative to it? Anybody has experience with the MC-909 (either owns one or has played with one)? Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 5 17:32:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h25MSuc10081; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 17:28:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 17:28:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 14:27:09 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: punk loops (was OT(minutemen)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <932iDB.A.3cC.RonZ-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:04 PM -0500 3/5/03, Mike iLL wrote: >yes, Burroughs (W.S.) is oft. considered an "original punk" and wrote about >cut-ups and tape loops (actually did some work wioth looping of spoken word >tapes). The early cut-ups supposedly came from Brion Gysin's influence. I saw the film "Towers Open Fire" in 1969 and read a couple of WSB's books then. At that same time I was studying film making. Burroughs was a HUGE influence on me, and I started using techniques of cut-up, layering, and looping as part of my films. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 5 17:45:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h25Mf2n11578; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 17:41:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 17:41:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 19:40:30 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Lexicon MPX G2 MIDIclock Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <10CaJD.A.jyC.WznZ-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark said: >however I'm getting drift when trying to synch a loop to a MIDI >clock. And that old JamMan click seems to be there as well. Did >they learn nothing? Bob Sallon where are you!? We need your help! > since you are talking of the click, I assume that you slaved the G2... to what? did you also get the drifting in the other direction? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 5 17:49:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h25Mixf12171; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 17:44:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 17:44:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 23:44:24 +0100 Message-Id: <200303052244.h25MiOp05333@mailgate5.cinetic.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ From: To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: vca controlled by midi Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h25MiVM12045 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com for my live setup i would like to have the volumes and mutes of my mackie mixer controlled by midi. for the studio i have the behringer vca automation, but it´s not possible to call snapshots with a foot controller. i do my live looping with several instruments and microphones, so i have to be busy with switching the channels of the mixer on and off. noise gates sometimes do that job for me, sometimes not. my dream about that is: when i switch the effect device to a percussion sound with the foot controller, the same time another box tells the mixer to open the percussion mice and to close all others, for example. something for 8 mices/pickups would be enough. who knows something? andi paulo www.ocarina-sounds.de with folkadelic live-looping mp3 ______________________________________________________________________________ Ihre Freunde sind in Italien? Schicken Sie ihnen trotzdem eine SMS mit WEB.DE FreeMail http://freemail.web.de/features/?mc=021172 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 5 18:24:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h25NKec17847; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 18:20:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 18:20:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E667888.52DC85AB@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 15:22:01 -0700 From: sine@zerocrossing.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Lexicon MPX G2 MIDIclock References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's being slaved to a Roland MC-307. Both the Repeater, JamMan and EDP have never had issues with it's clock, so I don't think that's the issue. I'll try the other way round, but it's not how it's supposed to work, or the way I'd like to work. I'll try it as master tonight and let people know. I'm also going to see how the clock from Digital Performer does in comparison to the 307. Maybe there is an issue with the 307... Mark Matthias Grob wrote: > Mark said: > >however I'm getting drift when trying to synch a loop to a MIDI > >clock. And that old JamMan click seems to be there as well. Did > >they learn nothing? Bob Sallon where are you!? 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Wed, 5 Mar 2003 18:47:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 18:47:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E667EC7.24223C65@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 15:48:40 -0700 From: sine@zerocrossing.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Electrix warp factory vocoder on ebay References: <3E667888.52DC85AB@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=23790&item=2513575630 a world class loop mangler and vocoder From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 5 19:01:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h25NxX223788; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 18:59:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 18:59:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200303052244.h25MiOp05333@mailgate5.cinetic.de> References: <200303052244.h25MiOp05333@mailgate5.cinetic.de> Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 15:56:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: vca controlled by midi Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:44 PM +0100 3/5/03, wrote: >for my live setup i would like to have the volumes and mutes of my >mackie mixer controlled by midi. A few years ago the Mackie 1604 had an automation option called OTTOmix. This consisted of an internal VCA board. Both fades and mutes were controllable. Around the same time CM automation had a VCA box with 16 channels (MX-816?) that could be patched to the inserts on a mixer. This had internal memory registers that could be recalled by program changes. Niche had an 8-channel box called the ACM (Automation Control Module) with a resistive ladder circuit rather than VCAs. These were recently blown out by audioMIDI.com; I don't know if they have any left. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 5 19:52:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h260kwO29774; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 19:46:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 19:46:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: , "Looper's Delight Mailing List \(E-mail\)" References: <002801c2e364$f9b4ddd0$0601a8c0@SATAN> Subject: Re: slightly ot: the quest for a groovebox Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 16:46:06 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Mar 2003 00:46:07.0847 (UTC) FILETIME=[C65F2F70:01C2E379] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Dear Loopers, > > motivated by recent discussions on the list regarding groove boxes, I do now > venture to find the right groove box for me. My expectations would be: If you want sampling in a groove box, your >only< choices are the Yamaha RS7000 and the Roland 909. In both these units, sampling is hardly fully featured - their synth engines are limited in scope. If you can live without it, there are two great choices, both much cheaper. In fact, so much cheaper that you could probably pick up a new EDP or a full featured sampler for the price difference. The Yamaha RM1x has the best 'live' sequencer control implementation, but the sound set is relatively poor - about as good as the Rolands. It's pretty much an RS7000 without the sampling, for 1/4 the price (used, that is). The Emu Command Station series has much better synth engine - more dynamic sounds, really nice filters, and better sounding samples to begin with. And more knobs :> Furthermore, you can do live midi recording with the emu and, with the current OS, revert to saved without stopping the sequencer. Live midi looping, with undo. Roland? Don't care for it. The new 909 is a 505 with sampling.You can do much better with either of the two above, and a used sampler for your own sounds. I >really< don't like the Roland D/A converter sound, and the compression on their samples. I've seen people using 505s and 307s to good effect - (ask Mr. Sottilaro on this list), but the sequencer's features don't hold a candle to the RM1x, and the synth engine is nothing compared to the Emu. Furthermore, you are unlikely to find a 909 used yet, while used Rm1x's can be found for $300 or less (you have to look - they are popular :>) and Command stations run for under $500 new. If you have a laptop, don't forget to investigate Ableton Live and Reason. > > Does the Roland MC-909 really do all of this (i.e. the must-haves)? Is there > any (cheaper) alternative to it? Anybody has experience with the MC-909 > (either owns one or has played with one)? > I've tried it in the store, and have used 505 before. Then I got a used RM1x to go with my XL-7 and Live. Cheaper, better. ..bIz... (º·.¸(¨*·.¸.¸¸...¸¸.¸.·*¨)¸.·º) «.· ° ·.groovetronica.com.· ° ·.» (¸.·º(¸.·¨'"'¨¨"¨¨'"'¨·.¸)º·.¸) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 5 21:19:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h262G9q08954; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 21:16:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 21:16:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: To: Subject: RE: vca controlled by midi Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 21:15:54 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c2e386$517462e0$6401a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200303052244.h25MiOp05333@mailgate5.cinetic.de> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > for my live setup i would like to have the volumes and mutes of my mackie mixer > controlled by midi. Have you looked at alternatives like the Yamaha 01V? You can control all it's functions via MIDI, as I recall. Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 5 21:46:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h262gBG11740; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 21:42:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 21:42:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E66A7CE.8EFFD722@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 18:43:42 -0700 From: sine@zerocrossing.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: slightly ot: the quest for a groovebox References: <002801c2e364$f9b4ddd0$0601a8c0@SATAN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Jon! Yeah, I have a 307. It's OK. I got it fairly cheap and it's got some pretty cool features, and some good sounds. Some crappy sounds too. Sometimes you want crappy sounds. Nothing like the sound of a casiotone to get you on a dancefloor. Would I buy one again? Probably not. Didn't go with the eTribe machines, because they don't do odd meters. For cheap, the 307 was the way to go (I think I paid around $400 for it) I have a love/hate relationship with it. If it could do undo while playing (the 505 does) that would be sweet. I like some of it's real time controllers. I'd also like to be able to assign instruments to multiple outputs like my old Ensonic TS-10 (Ensonic is not Emu) did (four outs). However, it's a 10th the weight of that monolith. I also had a love hate relationship to the TS-10, but it was by far one of the most intuitive, easy to program sequencers EVER. Problem with it was the floppy drive was some dumb ass proprietary format. Going from keyboard to computer was not easy. Also, you couldn't use any computer based editor on it. Blach. I often think of moving on from the MC-307, but I'm really not sure if there's much out there that would totally trounce it (in that price range. The EMU Command station was around a grand when I got my 307, but now I see it's about $700. Is it $300 better? I don't know, but knowing me I'll find out one day in an eBay extravaganza. Mark Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > > > I've seen people using 505s and 307s to good effect - (ask Mr. Sottilaro on > this list), but the sequencer's features don't hold a candle to the RM1x, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 5 22:15:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h263Chc15817; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 22:12:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 22:12:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c2e38e$5b4e1420$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: Re: 03/03/03 Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 22:13:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [68.160.153.222] at Wed, 5 Mar 2003 21:12:01 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I've been making a point to use these, and related days to record. 01/01/01 01/10/01 01/11/01 10/10/01 10/11/01 11/11/01 02/02/02 02/20/02 02/22/02 03/03/03 Yes, I am a geek! David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 5:22 PM Subject: 03/03/03 > We'll see ten of these in the current decade, a total of twelve in > the century. Happens every century, but not everybody gets to see it. > Does that make us "lappers"? > > > 010101 > 020202 > 030303 > 040404 > 050505 > 060606 > 070707 > 080808 > 090909 > 101010 > 111111 > > > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 6 02:20:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h267Jn113792; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 02:19:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 02:19:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 21:24:34 -0800 Subject: Re: slightly ot: the quest for a groovebox From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 3/5/03 4:46 PM, Jonathan El-Bizri at biz-looper@groovetronica.com wrote: > I've seen people using 505s and 307s to good effect - (ask Mr. Sottilaro on > this list), but the sequencer's features don't hold a candle to the RM1x, > and the synth engine is nothing compared to the Emu. Furthermore, you are > unlikely to find a 909 used yet, while used Rm1x's can be found for $300 or > less (you have to look - they are popular :>) and Command stations run for > under $500 new. Wow. I hadn't seen that the Command Stations had fallen that low. Emu is hurting. How would the RM1x be for a live looping sequencer driving some other equipment for the actual sounds? I want to build and tweak patterns on the fly, pull up patterns with a single button push, play multiple patterns or phrases at once with appropriate multiple button pushes, etc.. In particular, if I build a pattern, I'd like to be able to save it without a lot of hassle and without stopping the sequencer. For the Electribe fans, would anyone care to comment on how something like Electribe-M would be for this task? Mark P.S. For a sampler plus effects, you could buy Mark Sottilaro's Electrix blow out. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 6 03:51:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h268hVg19252; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 03:43:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 03:43:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1046940151.3e6709f7cd9ec@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 03:42:31 -0500 From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: slightly ot: the quest for a groovebox References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.177.160 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting Mark Hamburg : > Wow. I hadn't seen that the Command Stations had fallen that low. Emu is considering i was able to crash one in 2 minutes _flat_ at the Guitar Center a year or so ago, i'm not suprised. i would never trust it on a gig. no matter how much money they paid RZA to endorse it :) > How would the RM1x be for a live looping sequencer driving some other > equipment for the actual sounds? I want to build and tweak patterns on the i spent two hours with it at a music store trying to make a pattern. no dice. anything that complicated is a hindrance to _making_music_. you have to stop the sequencer to switch which track you're editing. that's totally retarded. a friend of mine had an rm1x for a day, sent it back and ordered an electribe. he still has the electribe and continues to use it even though he's written a kick-ass pattern/step sequencer for the macintosh. i think that speaks volumes about it. another friend of mine spent 7 months trying to sell his for 300 bucks. he eventually traded it at a music store for a Shure SM-57. he's happier with that. > For the Electribe fans, would anyone care to comment on how something like > Electribe-M would be for this task? i'll bet the new Electribe MX is gonna be great. my only beef with the sequencer on the electribe is the whole you-gotta-be-in-4/4 thing. i believe that's been fixed with the new one. and it has TOOBS! > P.S. For a sampler plus effects, you could buy Mark Sottilaro's Electrix that Repeater is mighty tempting, however i plan on gettin me one of dem DD-20 Giga Delays. how i'm going to kill the dry signal is beyond me though. i might have to cut a circuit trace. if that doesn't work i'll give it to my Torn-obsessed guitar player. he needs a good clean delay to contrast the RDS-8000 i gave him. then i'll buy another repeater. or a nord modular 2 if that thing can do long loops. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 6 03:54:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h268kOI19396; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 03:46:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 03:46:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <13.19387998.2b9864c1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 03:45:53 EST Subject: Re: Vortex and Jamman in one box? was Lexicon MPX G2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <1zoSBD.A.1uE.KrwZ-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Has Lexicon put the features of the Vortex and the Jamman into another single > unit with other features to make it more "marketable"? If not, why the hell > haven't they? No they haven't. The JamMan wasn't a great success for them. ...and the Vortex only sold when the price dropped to a fraction of the RRP. andy butler Lexicon Vortex Database From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 6 04:09:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2690WR21154; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 04:00:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 04:00:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1046941195.3e670e0ba65a1@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 03:59:55 -0500 From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: slightly ot: the quest for a groovebox References: <1046940151.3e6709f7cd9ec@www.suitandtieguy.com> In-Reply-To: <1046940151.3e6709f7cd9ec@www.suitandtieguy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.177.160 Resent-Message-ID: <5LHAZ.A.JKF.M4wZ-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting Eric Williamson : > sequencer on the electribe is the whole you-gotta-be-in-4/4 thing. i believe > that's been fixed with the new one. and it has TOOBS! just to clarify: after i sent that email i looked the pic of the new EX-1 over at Sonic State and it does indeed have a "Last Step" function key. just like the TR-x0x series. oh yeah that's one bitchin unit. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 6 04:11:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h26936D21429; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 04:03:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 04:03:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <1ac.117ee72b.2b9868a6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 04:02:30 EST Subject: Re:Re: Vortex and Jamman in one box? was Lexicon MPX G2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <9oXdaD.A.ZOF.v6wZ-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I haven't been deep enough in the G2 yet to say if it's as cool as the > vortex, Only the Vortex allows you to morph between 2 completely different algorithms. That's where all the totally unique sounds come from. ...not to say that the G2 isn't desirable though andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 6 07:45:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h26CbRc05841; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 07:37:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 07:37:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 13:36:00 +0100 Message-Id: <200303061236.h26Ca0p11130@mailgate5.cinetic.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ From: To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE: vca controlled by midi Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h26Ca7M05563 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com schrieb am 06.03.03 03:15:35: > > > for my live setup i would like to have the volumes and mutes of my mackie > mixer > > controlled by midi. > > Have you looked at alternatives like the Yamaha 01V? You can control all > it's functions via MIDI, as I recall. > > Dennis Leas no, i bought the 1604 four years ago when i didn´t know that it would be full with my live setup and that i loop with many instruments and microphones. when i started looping with a dulcimer only, live was simple. then i wanted to have a percussion microphone, a bass drum, a snare, 1 mic for voc & ocarina, mandoline and mandola will follow....... andi paulo --  www.ocarina-sounds.de with folkadelic live-looping mp3 ______________________________________________________________________________ Finger wund tippen beim SMS Schreiben? Schluss damit! Web.de FreeMail - http://freemail.web.de/features/?mc=021148 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 6 09:44:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h26EZTV23273; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 09:35:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 09:35:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006401c2e3ed$6a6c1e20$030aa8c0@powerpack> Reply-To: "Michael C. Gorman" From: "Michael C. Gorman" To: References: <200303061236.h26Ca0p11130@mailgate5.cinetic.de> Subject: GIG SPam: looping at Philadelphia Underground Music and Cultural Festival Sat. March 8 Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 09:33:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Second Sufis will be performing live improvisational looping at the Philadelphia Underground Music and Cultture (PUMC) Festival, Saturday March 8 at 7 PM. Also performing on this bill are progressive-oriented IZZ, 'prog-a-billy' Dreadnaught, and dark art rock from their hosts The Red Masque. The PUMC is being held at the Sedgwick Cultural Center, 7137 Germantown Avenue, Philadelphia. Advance tickets $10 , or $12 at the door. For advanced tickets, contact the Sedgwick info@sedgwickcenter.org or phone: 215-248-9229 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 6 09:47:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h26EbZs23470; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 09:37:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 09:37:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: RE: slightly ot: the quest for a groovebox Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 09:32:36 -0500 Message-ID: <000101c2e3ed$3c779760$330a230a@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <1046941195.3e670e0ba65a1@www.suitandtieguy.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would give the EX a whirl when it comes out. The EM-1 does not allow you to save patterns while playing, and ... just trust me. I don't think it's going to do what you're looking to do. However, it does do other time sigs. besides 4/4 ... like 3/4. Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Williamson [mailto:erwill@suitandtieguy.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 4:00 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: slightly ot: the quest for a groovebox > > > Quoting Eric Williamson : > > sequencer on the electribe is the whole you-gotta-be-in-4/4 > thing. i believe > > that's been fixed with the new one. and it has TOOBS! > > just to clarify: after i sent that email i looked the pic of > the new EX-1 over > at Sonic State and it does indeed have a "Last Step" function > key. just like > the TR-x0x series. > > oh yeah that's one bitchin unit. > > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > > ------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 6 11:32:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h26GRLD07195; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 11:27:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 11:27:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: Subject: Re: slightly ot: the quest for a groovebox Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 08:26:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Mar 2003 16:26:14.0375 (UTC) FILETIME=[1B484F70:01C2E3FD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > How would the RM1x be for a live looping sequencer driving some other > equipment for the actual sounds? I want to build and tweak patterns on the > fly, pull up patterns with a single button push, play multiple patterns or > phrases at once with appropriate multiple button pushes, etc.. In > particular, if I build a pattern, I'd like to be able to save it without a > lot of hassle and without stopping the sequencer. > - I haven't got my Rm1x yet, but many people are using it to sequence other synths. It's what I intend to do. - From my experience, the RM1x doesn't do live sequencing - i.e. recording while performing. Don't even bother - you keep having to stop the sequencer. - The emu box is the only one with a 'revert to saved' - the closest thing to a live undo in any groovebox. It's also essential if you use your box for looping, i.e.with a keyboard, instead of just X0X style step sequencing. (which the emu also does.) >> Wow. I hadn't seen that the Command Stations had fallen that low. Emu is >considering i was able to crash one in 2 minutes _flat_ at the Guitar Center a >year or so ago, i'm not suprised. i would never trust it on a gig. no matter >how much money they paid RZA to endorse it :) Bad luck, and an early O.S - I wouldn't be surprised if it was 1.0, which they released a patch for 3 days after the box calm out.. I got one of the first units, use it almost every day, and have crashed it twice so far. Both times, it was doing some heavy editing - not something I would do on stage. > How would the RM1x be for a live looping sequencer driving some other > equipment for the actual sounds? I want to build and tweak patterns on the >i spent two hours with it at a music store trying to make a pattern. no dice. >anything that complicated is a hindrance to _making_music_. you have to stop >the sequencer to switch which track you're editing. that's totally retarded. It's easily got the steepest, >but< fastest learning curve of any of the boxes. If you're going to check one out, make sure you flip through the manual online for five minutes before you go in, or your going to be completely baffled by the box. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 6 11:34:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h26GS2907264; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 11:28:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 11:28:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: Deadly EDP bug Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 08:26:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01C2E3BA.13B90530" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Mar 2003 16:26:25.0736 (UTC) FILETIME=[220DDC80:01C2E3FD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C2E3BA.13B90530 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been trying to work around a serious flaw in my EDP's performance = for some time now. 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------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C2E3BA.13B90530-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 6 11:54:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h26GmdO10737; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 11:48:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 11:48:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 08:47:18 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: slightly ot: the quest for a groovebox In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4AE67CA8-4FF3-11D7-9E3E-0003934CD2FA@zerocrossing.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8r7E0.A.xjC.Yu3Z-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com where have you seen the Command Stations for less than $500? I saw them on Musician's Friend for $699. Mark On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 09:24 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: >> Command stations run for >> under $500 new. > > Wow. I hadn't seen that the Command Stations had fallen that low. Emu is > hurting. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 6 12:03:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h26Gwgd12350; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 11:58:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 11:58:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <02da01c2e3cf$2aaecf30$d1ccf5d1@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <1046940151.3e6709f7cd9ec@www.suitandtieguy.com> Subject: Re: slightly ot: the quest for a groovebox Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 10:57:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com regarding the ELECTRIBE series: i've been thinking about the ER-1...does anybody use this? i'm wondering if you're restricted to 4/4 and if the unit is able to be sync'd to my edp. if anybody has a suggestion for a different beat machine, i'm all ears but i'm not trying to spend a fortune on something that i plan on using in moderation. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 6 12:12:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h26HApc15780; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 12:10:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 12:10:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 09:07:49 -0800 (PST) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.telcogurus.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: slightly ot: the quest for a groovebox In-Reply-To: <02da01c2e3cf$2aaecf30$d1ccf5d1@g0wn7> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, jimfowler wrote: > regarding the ELECTRIBE series: > > i've been thinking about the ER-1...does anybody use this? I use one in alsmot every live show. it is my favorite drum machine (and I've used about two dozen inclduing the famous TR808, TR909, Linndrum, QY30, etc. etc etc) > i'm wondering if you're restricted to 4/4 and if the unit is able to be sync'd to my edp. You can set up to four measures and I *think* you can set the last step. Best to download the manual from Korg to check. I do know it can do 3/4 waltz time :) The ER1 is the exclusive drum machine/percussion in my handheld music shows. You can listen to MP3s to hear it's flexibilty here: http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/samples.htm It is decided;y "electro" sounding but that said is the most flexible "electro" drum machine I've ever used. Classic or warped it can do it all. Used prices make it the most practical Drum machine for electornic music DN it can also act as an extrenal; midi sequencer . I Love it, Can you tell? :) ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 6 12:42:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h26HbJY18461; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 12:37:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 12:37:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <4AE67CA8-4FF3-11D7-9E3E-0003934CD2FA@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: slightly ot: the quest for a groovebox Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 09:35:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Mar 2003 17:35:53.0357 (UTC) FILETIME=[D6265BD0:01C2E406] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry guys, My mistake. I could have sworn I saw that price. You may want to check h-c and ebay though - always my first spot. Pre-loved gear is the best gear. bIz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 8:47 AM Subject: Re: slightly ot: the quest for a groovebox > where have you seen the Command Stations for less than $500? I saw them > on Musician's Friend for $699. > > Mark > > On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 09:24 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > >> Command stations run for > >> under $500 new. > > > > Wow. I hadn't seen that the Command Stations had fallen that low. Emu is > > hurting. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 6 13:25:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h26IME124633; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 13:22:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 13:22:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030306182133.49860.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 10:21:33 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: slightly ot: the quest for a groovebox To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200303061245.h26CjpG06366@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting Mark Hamburg : > Wow. I hadn't seen that the Command Stations had fallen that low. Emu is Suit and Tie guy sez: considering i was able to crash one in 2 minutes _flat_ at the Guitar Center a year or so ago, i'm not suprised. i would never trust it on a gig. no matter how much money they paid RZA to endorse it :) Yes, there have been bugs in the Emu Command Station software. Point to a box that doesn't have bugs? However, Emu has been very responsive to address the sins of their youth, and the next OS update due out soon not only fixes many bugs, it also incorporates many requests that users have made from the Command Station mailing list. Several of the Emu tech staff hang out on that list, responding to various issues that come up. I'm very pleased with my XL-7, and even more pleased with the support that Emu offers. I bought it more for its sound engine (like an enhanced Proteus 2000) than its sequencer. 16 knobs of realtime control, I can control my Repeater with it if I like. Stephen __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 6 13:25:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h26IKjZ24422; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 13:20:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 13:20:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 15:19:51 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Re: EDP Reverse Halfspeed Rhythmic Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >matthias says ('bout EDP) > > > And when you switch speed while recording, you get you jumps recorded! Precious Andy corrects: >not so, switching speed always ends the recording! oh, right, stupid me, its only during Overdub, as you say, thank you! >or does it work with the DirectMidi commands? yes, DirectMIDI HalfSpeed works anytime -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 6 13:26:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h26IM9n24624; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 13:22:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 13:22:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030306182116.55397.qmail@web41012.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 10:21:16 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: slightly ot: the quest for a groovebox To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200303061245.h26CjpG06366@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting Mark Hamburg : > Wow. I hadn't seen that the Command Stations had fallen that low. Emu is Suit and Tie guy sez: considering i was able to crash one in 2 minutes _flat_ at the Guitar Center a year or so ago, i'm not suprised. i would never trust it on a gig. no matter how much money they paid RZA to endorse it :) Yes, there have been bugs in the Emu Command Station software. Point to a box that doesn't have bugs? However, Emu has been very responsive to address the sins of their youth, and the next OS update due out soon not only fixes many bugs, it also incorporates many requests that users have made from the Command Station mailing list. Several of the Emu tech staff hang out on that list, responding to various issues that come up. I'm very pleased with my XL-7, and even more pleased with the support that Emu offers. I bought it more for its sound engine (like an enhanced Proteus 2000) than its sequencer. 16 knobs of realtime control, I can control my Repeater with it if I like. Stephen __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 6 13:38:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h26IWD226157; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 13:32:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 13:32:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Scott Welch To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Lake Butler Midi Mitigator For Sale Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 10:30:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lake Butler Midi Mitigator midi foot controller. Highly programmable midi foot controller. Capable of sending any midi command or string of commands you wish on any midi channel. Far more programmable than just about anything out there. Includes manual and power supply. More info can be found at these sites: http://www.anim8r.com/studio/lakebutler.html http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rfc1 $150 plus shipping. Pictures available. Thanks, -Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 6 14:06:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h26J2Dc31374; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 14:02:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 14:02:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Scott Welch To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Boomerang For Sale Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 11:00:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Boomerang Phrase Sampler. Original version. Comes with manual and AC adapter. More info can be found at www.boomerangmusic.com. Pictures available. $225 plus shipping or best offer. Email if you have any questions. Thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 6 14:12:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h26J9tC32734; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 14:09:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 14:09:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 14:08:29 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Lake Butler Midi Mitigator For Sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Lake Butler Midi Mitigator midi foot controller. > >Highly programmable midi foot controller. Capable of sending any midi >command or string of commands you wish on any midi channel. Far more >programmable than just about anything out there. > >Includes manual and power supply. > >More info can be found at these sites: >http://www.anim8r.com/studio/lakebutler.html > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rfc1 > >$150 plus shipping. buy this. I have two of them! /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/calendar .................................. the calendar. http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 6 14:21:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h26JJZ601496; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 14:19:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 14:19:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030306110827.00d6ef60@mail.undertone.com> X-Sender: Admin@mail.undertone.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 11:17:48 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Josh Subject: newbie needs help Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ok... Basically this is one of those annoying newbie posts of the type of: "DUH... UH, which looper is the coolest?" But actually I hope to put a bit more intelligence into this question by first describing the scenario in which I want to use the looper and then getting suggestions as to which looper might best fit my needs from you all... What I want a looper to do: Basically, I want a songwriting tool. I am a guitarist and I want a looping device to help me discover cool riffs on the guitar, bass lines etc... I have no intention of using the looper in live performance, but I do want all of the functions available in an included foot switch. Basically, I want to use the looper to come up with parts for songs. I want to be able to loop parts POST effects and pre-amp in my rig so that each loop might have its own tone and FX qualities, also, I use stereo effects so it needs to have stereo input/output. I have very little need for things like slowing down, chopping up or reversing the loop as I don't want to use the looper as an effect box in itself, rather just as a sampler/songwriting tool. If it has some bonus FX stuff then that's cool in case I ever decide I want to include it in my live rig. Another cool thing would be if it had the ability to switch between "loop sets" so that I could have one set of stuff looping for the "verse" and then switch to another set of stuff looping for the "chorus" or "bridge" etc... so that I can use it to come up with arrangements for songs. Another cool feature would be the ability to add and remove layers from the loop so that for example I could get the "verse" looping but get rid of the main guitar part so that I could "solo" over it... etc... My price range is around $500 Please let me know which looper would be best for my needs. Thanks!!! Josh From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 6 14:30:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h26JTOm02648; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 14:29:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 14:29:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030306192835.45659.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 11:28:35 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: newbie needs help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030306110827.00d6ef60@mail.undertone.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Josh wrote: >I have no intention of using the looper in live > performance Oh, you will, you will... :-) But if you're sure it'll just be a writing tool and you don't want to use it as a live looper, perhaps one of the minidisc-based multitrack recorders would do it for you, and you could also use it to record your demos. We've had threads in the past specifying which makes/models will loop smoothly when set to 'repeat' mode; not all of them do. -t- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 6 14:37:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h26JaWO03718; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 14:36:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 14:36:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030306113133.00d95e68@mail.undertone.com> X-Sender: Admin@mail.undertone.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 11:34:58 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Josh Subject: Re: newbie needs help In-Reply-To: <20030306192835.45659.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030306110827.00d6ef60@mail.undertone.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well..I already have a multi-track recording setup. The problem there being that I have to press buttons, mess with a mouse for a bit etc... between every layer. yeah it sounds great in the end but I want something with a foot pedal that is more instantaneous and fun to play with and inspiring of creativity. Computers, buttons and knobs for some reason don't inspire me. I use the multi-track to make my demos but I don't want to use it as a writing tool. As far as the whole "repeat mode/loop smoothly" issue, could you go into more detail here? are you saying that basically none of the loopers do what they are supposed to do? That would be disappointing... Josh At 11:28 AM 3/6/2003, Tim Nelson wrote: >--- Josh wrote: > >I have no intention of using the looper in live > > performance > >Oh, you will, you will... :-) > >But if you're sure it'll just be a writing tool and >you don't want to use it as a live looper, perhaps one >of the minidisc-based multitrack recorders would do it >for you, and you could also use it to record your >demos. We've had threads in the past specifying which >makes/models will loop smoothly when set to 'repeat' >mode; not all of them do. > >-t- > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more >http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 6 14:46:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h26JisM04757; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 14:44:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 14:44:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 11:43:00 -0800 From: Patrick Bolan Subject: RE: newbie needs help In-reply-to: <5.2.0.9.0.20030306113133.00d95e68@mail.undertone.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-to: pbolan@csiconstruction.com Message-id: <00bb01c2e418$98fc1300$fc03030a@Patrickbolan2> Organization: CSI Construction MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For under $400, there's the Boss RC-40 (?), and the Line 6. Line 6 has good delay effects as well as looping, and the Boss is a dedicated looper w/ 4x more memory than the Line 6. It's a simple pedal that will loop and save up to 5 minutes of looped music. The Line 6, however, is very popular on this list for those who are getting started in the looping thing. Patrick -----Original Message----- From: Josh [mailto:josh@undertone.com] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 11:35 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: newbie needs help well..I already have a multi-track recording setup. The problem there being that I have to press buttons, mess with a mouse for a bit etc... between every layer. yeah it sounds great in the end but I want something with a foot pedal that is more instantaneous and fun to play with and inspiring of creativity. Computers, buttons and knobs for some reason don't inspire me. I use the multi-track to make my demos but I don't want to use it as a writing tool. As far as the whole "repeat mode/loop smoothly" issue, could you go into more detail here? are you saying that basically none of the loopers do what they are supposed to do? That would be disappointing... Josh At 11:28 AM 3/6/2003, Tim Nelson wrote: >--- Josh wrote: > >I have no intention of using the looper in live > > performance > >Oh, you will, you will... :-) > >But if you're sure it'll just be a writing tool and >you don't want to use it as a live looper, perhaps one >of the minidisc-based multitrack recorders would do it >for you, and you could also use it to record your >demos. We've had threads in the past specifying which makes/models will >loop smoothly when set to 'repeat' mode; not all of them do. > >-t- > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more >http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 6 15:17:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h26KEAn09069; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 15:14:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 15:14:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 14:12:21 -0600 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: newbie needs help In-reply-to: <5.2.0.9.0.20030306110827.00d6ef60@mail.undertone.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <032601c2e41c$b2147ea0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >.. > "DUH... UH, which looper is the coolest?" But actually I hope >.. i'm going to suggest the digitech gnx3. it's looper has 8 tracks and can be controlled by the built in footpedals. it also has a simple drum machine and a mildly usable bass emulator preset. and it also saves songs on flash cards. it was designed for just your purpose. as i pointed out in an earlier post, i am a bit disappointed in the looping capabilities, but for songwriting it is just the ticket. they go for ~$500.00. it also has pretty good amp and stompbox emulation... keep in mind that your needs may change once you start looping. it is quite addictive. if you get interested in using loops live (you probably will be, at least a little) then you will want to look at the echoplex digital pro... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 6 15:55:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h26KpIe13709; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 15:51:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 15:51:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Ray9356@aol.com Message-ID: <1d3.478a470.2b990e53@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 15:49:23 EST Subject: Re: slightly ot: the quest for a groovebox To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1d3.478a470.2b990e53_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10641 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1d3.478a470.2b990e53_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/5/03 9:49:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: roland d2s great for live sequencing. --part1_1d3.478a470.2b990e53_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 3/5/03 9:49:36 PM Eastern Standard=20= Time, sine@zerocrossing.net writes:


roland d2s great for live sequencing.
 --part1_1d3.478a470.2b990e53_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 6 15:55:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h26KpXf13728; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 15:51:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 15:51:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030306124757.01e20c28@mail.undertone.com> X-Sender: Admin@mail.undertone.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 12:48:28 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Josh Subject: RE: newbie needs help In-Reply-To: <032601c2e41c$b2147ea0$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030306110827.00d6ef60@mail.undertone.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <9JBUw.A.STD.cR7Z-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I notice there is no review of this unit at loopers-delight... I guess I will go try one out. Thanks for the suggestion! J At 12:12 PM 3/6/2003, Jim Palmer wrote: > >.. > > "DUH... UH, which looper is the coolest?" But actually I hope > >.. > >i'm going to suggest the digitech gnx3. >it's looper has 8 tracks and can be controlled by the built in >footpedals. it also has a simple drum machine and a mildly usable >bass emulator preset. and it also saves songs on flash cards. >it was designed for just your purpose. > >as i pointed out in an earlier post, i am a bit disappointed >in the looping capabilities, but for songwriting it is just the ticket. >they go for ~$500.00. >it also has pretty good amp and stompbox emulation... > >keep in mind that your needs may change once you start looping. >it is quite addictive. if you get interested in using loops live >(you probably will be, at least a little) then you will want to look at >the echoplex digital pro... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 6 16:01:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h26KvJ614333; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 15:57:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 15:57:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030306205615.85465.qmail@web40305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 12:56:15 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: Boomerang For Sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 175 and ill pay for shipping --- Scott Welch wrote: > Boomerang Phrase Sampler. > Original version. > Comes with manual and AC adapter. > > More info can be found at www.boomerangmusic.com. > > Pictures available. > > $225 plus shipping or best offer. > > Email if you have any questions. > > Thanks > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 6 18:38:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h26NZIp02974; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 18:35:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 18:35:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 17:30:56 -0600 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: newbie needs help In-reply-to: <5.2.0.9.0.20030306124757.01e20c28@mail.undertone.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <033901c2e438$6fd05160$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > ... > I notice there is no review of this unit at > loopers-delight... I guess I > will go try one out. Thanks for the suggestion! yeah, it's not really a looper. they added it almost as an afterthought to the multitrack recorder. definitely play with it in a store to see if it fits your way. check the ld archives for info about it's looping limitations. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 6 18:39:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h26NWbc02660; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 18:32:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 18:32:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030306233140.91220.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 15:31:40 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: New Live Looping mp3's online To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Dave Trenkel wrote: > I just put up some mp3's from our gig last Thursday. The address is > http://www.newandimprov.com/TopDeadCenter.html > > This is the trio that performed at the Portland Loopfest Au-go-go, > Matt Calkins on saxes, JD Monroe on turntables, and me on keys, loops > and lotsa crap. The recording's far from perfect, I'm too loud, the > sax is too quiet, but it's representative of what we do. Enjoy! Very nice, Dave. I've really enjoyed your songs today. What a great way to spend an afternoon! Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 6 18:48:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h26NkwE04329; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 18:46:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 18:46:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <1d3.478a470.2b990e53@aol.com> Subject: Re: slightly ot: the quest for a groovebox Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 15:46:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01C2E3F7.7F4C4F90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Mar 2003 23:46:06.0866 (UTC) FILETIME=[8E6ED720:01C2E43A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C2E3F7.7F4C4F90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cool. Could you tell us about it? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ray9356@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 12:49 PM Subject: Re: slightly ot: the quest for a groovebox In a message dated 3/5/03 9:49:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, = sine@zerocrossing.net writes: roland d2s great for live sequencing. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C2E3F7.7F4C4F90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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In a message dated 3/5/03 9:49:36 PM Eastern = Standard Time,=20 sine@zerocrossing.net=20 writes:


roland d2s great for live=20 sequencing.
 ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C2E3F7.7F4C4F90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 6 19:09:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2707e607808; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 19:07:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 19:07:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Guywithatele@aol.com Message-ID: <7c.368d4d53.2b993c74@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 19:06:12 EST Subject: Re: newbie needs help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 46 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you want to grow into something, find a used Echoplex Digital Pro (Oberheim or Gibson) and upgrade to Loop IV later (embedded software upgrade found on Aurisis.com). Loop III will do so much for you and when you become hooked, you'll be part of the next generation of mind blowing loopers out there. I wish I had started earlier. Be patient, though. Read the manuals of everything you buy. Read them until you understand them (not that you don't already...) and ...that's it. I wouldn't spend $500.00 unless it was towards the EDP. That's my two bits. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 6 22:12:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2739gJ28546; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 22:09:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 22:09:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Ray9356@aol.com Message-ID: <1e7.3cf1983.2b99675c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 22:09:16 EST Subject: Re: slightly ot: the quest for a groovebox To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e7.3cf1983.2b99675c_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10641 Resent-Message-ID: <6bj_tD.A.M9G.h1Aa-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1e7.3cf1983.2b99675c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit well its beimng discontinued. Grab one, QUICK. look it up here: http://www.sonicstate.com/ --part1_1e7.3cf1983.2b99675c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


well its beimng discontinued.  Grab one, QUICK.

look it up here:

http://www.sonicstate.com/





 --part1_1e7.3cf1983.2b99675c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 6 22:12:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2738vw28444; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 22:08:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 22:08:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Ray9356@aol.com Message-ID: <4b.2bbcb685.2b99671d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 22:08:13 EST Subject: Re: slightly ot: the quest for a groovebox To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_4b.2bbcb685.2b99671d_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10641 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_4b.2bbcb685.2b99671d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/6/03 6:51:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, biz-looper@groovetronica.com writes: > > >> >> >> roland d2s great for live sequencing. > Cool. Could you tell us about it? --part1_4b.2bbcb685.2b99671d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 3/6/03 6:51:11 PM Eastern Standard=20= Time, biz-looper@groovetronica.com writes:





roland d2s great for live sequencing.




Cool. Could you tell us about it?

 --part1_4b.2bbcb685.2b99671d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 6 23:40:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h274VmB06284; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 23:31:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 23:31:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 20:32:02 -0800 Subject: Lexicon MPX G2 Jamman synch issue resolved Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <110.20e1d753.2b962d2b@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey gang, I took some time to try and figure out why the G2's JamMan function was getting clock (the bpm would change) but would drift. I plugged the output of the MC-307 directly into the G2 (it had been going into a midiman splitter) and it synced and stayed in sync! Huh? OH NO! I realized the power supply to the midiman splitter had come unplugged! I've had the same bad sync issue with the Repeater when this happened too. Problem solved. It's been going for about 10 minutes now and it's still perfectly synced. I'm excited! I think I'm going to really like this box. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 6 23:49:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h274jXA07697; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 23:45:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 23:45:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 01:45:14 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: electric sitars Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Smart" > I modified my Jerry Jones model sitar and have put up a page about it if anyone is interested: > > http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/sitar/sitar you say the power comes over the stereo audio cable... phantom like? what unit powers it? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 7 00:10:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2756xS11258; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 00:06:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 00:06:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <125.1f1f8c19.2b9783c6@aol.com> References: <125.1f1f8c19.2b9783c6@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 02:06:40 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Interview spam: Crevice/ Re:Cooperation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <-oAxUD.A.IvC.TjCa-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Interview: http://www.esotericecho.com/int-unclebuzz.html in the middle, it sais: "I dont think its a pop artists Qalication to educate the public" I say: thats the problem about it: No social responsability. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 7 00:36:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h275Z4914221; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 00:35:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 00:35:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 21:34:02 -0800 To: cecdiscuss@concordia.ca, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, LEV list , ACF-LA mailing list From: Richard Zvonar Subject: e|i magazine West Coast launch party with Kit Clayton + Sue Costabile, Steve Roden, Akira Rabelais, j.frede Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1165107237==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1165107237==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable American Composers Forum/LA - Green Galactic - Current Recordings present: The e|i magazine West Coast Launch Party About e|i: There's no denying the impact technology has had on music, as its effect on aural design over the course of the 20th century has been nothing if not profound. The cut-and-paste tape editors and analogue pioneers of yesteryear, the continuing evolution of instrumentation and media, and a rich history of experimentation and daring have ushered in the contemporary era of the digital sound wrinkle. e|i spans the continuum of electronica, experimentalism and the avant-garde, shattering genre margins to encompass the past, the present and the future, as presented to the reader by artists who challenge the very notions of sound and vision. As the true enthusiast's publication documenting a broad spectrum of sonic textures, tastes and motifs, each issue of e|i features provocative interviews, historical overviews, enlightening reviews and bracing new views. e|i magazine =F7 storming the studio =F7 On newsstands March 31 =F7 + + + + Daytime activities - March 30, 2003 acf/LA Technology Workshop with Joshua Kit Clayton on Max/MSP/Jitter March 30th, 11 AM - 4 PM American Film Institute, 2021 North Western Avenue, Los Angeles $20 for ACF members and students/$35 for non-members (discount on evening event with workshop ticket) RSVP (818) 788-2202 or e-mail Composer and Programmer Joshua Kit Clayton will walk you through Max/MSP and Jitter, from his perspective as a creator and performer of electronic music and visual media. Clayton is a programmer for Cycling 74 and a principal developer of Jitter; he will demonstrate the power of both of these limitless applications. Max/MSP combines the Max graphical programming environment with MSP audio extensions. Together you'll have close to 400 objects, the building blocks of a complete audio application development environment. =46or more info about both applications visit www.cycling74.com + + + + Evening Activities - March 30th, 2003 Live performances by Kit Clayton + Sue Costabile [scape/orthlorng musork] Audio/Visual Theater performing "Interruption" Steve Roden [trente oiseaux/12k] Akira Rabelais [mille plateaux/fallt] j.frede [current recordings/doctsect] Location: The Derby 4500 Los Feliz Blvd, Los Angeles, CA www.the-derby.com Admission - $10 (21+) presale tickets available at Sea Level Records. 1716 W. Sunset Blvd. Los Angeles, CA 90026 or online at www.wantickets.com [Biographies] Joshua Kit Clayton is a San Francisco based computer programmer and electronic musician. Born in Evanston, Illinois in 1974, he went on to study computer science and electronic music at Wesleyan University and has since released various musical compositions on record labels such as Cytrax, Vertical Form, ~scape, Mille Plateaux, and Orthlorng Musork. In addition to his musical work, Joshua is a programmer for Cycling '74, where he is responsible for further development of the Max/MSP MIDI/audio programming environment. Recent work has focused on "Jitter", a multi-dimensional dataset processing and visualization architecture with applications in audio, video, and 3D graphics. Sue Costabile is a photographer and video artist working with a combination of analog and digital processes, both as a solo artist and in collaboration with various musicians. Born in Long Island, New York in 1974, she has resided in San Francisco since 1996. With academic training largely focused on both the natural and built environments (first studying ecology and then architectural engineering) themes of the organic and the inorganic are often explored. Her live video performances focus on improvisational techniques involving various media including photographs, negatives, drawings and tiny objects, set in motion and digitized in real-time, then processed in the Max/MSP/Jitter software environment. About their Audio/Visual Performance; Interruption Interruption explores the relationship between the concrete world of the everyday and the fantasies we project upon it. During the performance, the artists are laying down, each with a video camera and a microphone suspended close to their faces. The microphones are connected to a custom built audio/video processing system which takes direction from the sounds heard by the microphones and the images seen by the cameras. The theme of "interruption" is explored in the interaction between the live, narrative audio/video stream and a concurrent, pre-recorded audio/video stream. What is projected on the screen depends upon the artists actions and vocal expressions www.musork.com/interruption [related links: www.musork.com www.scape-music.de] steve roden is a visual and sound artist from los angeles. his work includes painting, drawing, sculpture, films, and sound installation. the works are a combination of conceptual strategies and intuitive movements. found structures and systems are lifted from their original intentions and used as the basis for improvisation and abstraction. in the visual works, printed language, graphic design, maps, and other forms of specific visual notation are lifted from their original intentions and abstracted to create open readings. in the sound works; objects, architectural spaces, and field recordings, are abstracted through electronics to create audio new spaces, or 'possible landscapes'. the sound works present themselves with an aesthetic roden describes as "lower case'' - sound concerned with subtlety and the quiet activity of listening. the la weekly recently called roden "the most idiosyncratic abstract painter to emerge from l.a. in the 90's"; while the wire magazine recently referred to roden's cd 'the radio' as "a particularly modest form of genius." roden has released several cd's of his sound works under his own name, as well as under the name 'in be tween noise'. labels include trente oiseaux, germany; sonoris, france; gmbh, france; digital narcis and meme from japan; and line, usa. roden's work has appeared on a number of international compilations, including the tulpas project on selektion, germany. in 1999, roden co-edited the publication 'site of sound ' an exploration of the relationships between sound and architecture, with contributions from various architects, sound artists and critics including christina kubisch, steve peters, tom marioni, and pierre koenig. steve roden has been exhibiting his visual and sound works since 1986. he has had numerous solo and group exhibitions internationally, including museums, galleries and arts spaces in usa, italy, france, japan, bulgaria, slovenia, england, etc. [related links: www.inbetweennoise.com www.12k.com] Composer Akira Rabelais grew up on a racehorse in South Texas and squandered his youth in the sundry bars and houses of ill repute of Austin reading books and writing music. BFA from Bennington College, composition studies with Bill Dixon and Joel Chadabe. MFA from CalArts under Mort Subotnick and Tom Erbe. Author of various software including Arge=95phontes Lyre (A set of time domain filters and generators. Dynamic FM Synthesis, Evisceration Reanimation, Time Domain Mutation, Morphological Disintegration and the Lobster Quadrille). Releases include 'Elongated Pentagonal Pyramid', 'Eisoptrophobia', 'Paysage', '...b=8En=8Ediction, draw.' And 'Spellwaveringshard'. [related links: www.akirarabelais.com www.fallt.com] j.frede is an experimental music composer who works with sound ranging from field recordings to electro-acoustic atmospheres, microsound subtleties to ambient soundscapes, live performances to audio installations. Currently Frede is working with field recordings of both natural and urban environments and digital compositions built using acoustic sounds. When performing live j.frede utilizes a variety of PC based software to write compositions in real time using found sounds and digital manipulations. Originating from New Mexico (usa), j.frede has been working in the field of experimental audio and sound design for over seven years. =46rede has been working for the last four years in Denver, CO and is now living in Los Angeles. j.frede is currently working with field recordings of both natural and urban environments, sine wave frequencies, and digital compositions built using acoustic sounds. =46rede's live performance can vary depending on each event and the acoustic space it is presented in. [related links: www.ritualdocument.com www.doctsect.com] There will also be a DJ set from New Mexico based sound artist Inerex you can find out more on his work at http://ritualdocument.com/inerex =46or more info please contact Lynn Hasty at lynn@greengalactic.com or j.frede at j.frede@ritualdocument.com Green Galactic - www.greengalactic.com -- --============_-1165107237==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable e|i magazine West Coast launch party with Kit Clayton
American Composers Forum/LA  - Green Galactic - Current Recordings present:

The e|i magazine West Coast Launch Party
About e|i:
There's no denying the impact technology has had on music, as its effect on aural design over the course of the 20th century has been nothing if not profound. The cut-and-paste tape editors and analogue pioneers of yesteryear, the continuing evolution of instrumentation and media, and a rich history of experimentation and daring have ushered in the contemporary era of the digital sound wrinkle.

e|i spans the continuum of electronica, experimentalism and the avant-garde, shattering genre margins to encompass the past, the present and the future, as presented to the reader by artists who challenge the very notions of sound and vision.
As the true enthusiast's publication documenting a broad spectrum of sonic textures, tastes and motifs, each issue of e|i features provocative interviews, historical overviews, enlightening reviews and bracing new views.

e|i magazine =F7 storming the studio
=F7 On newsstands March 31 =F7


+ + + +

Daytime activities - March 30, 2003

acf/LA Technology Workshop with Joshua Kit Clayton on Max/MSP/Jitter

March 30th, 11 AM - 4 PM 

American Film Institute, 2021 North Western Avenue, Los Angeles

$20 for ACF members and students/$35 for non-members (discount on evening event with workshop ticket)

RSVP (818) 788-2202 or e-mail <tekWorX@composers.la>

Composer and Programmer Joshua Kit Clayton will walk you through Max/MSP and Jitter, from his perspective as a creator and performer of electronic music and visual media. Clayton is a programmer for Cycling 74 and a principal developer of Jitter; he will demonstrate the power of both of these limitless applications. 
 
Max/MSP combines the Max graphical programming environment with MSP audio extensions. Together you'll have close to 400 objects, the building blocks of a complete audio application development environment.

For more info about both applications visit www.cycling74.com
+ + + +

Evening Activities - March 30th, 2003

Live performances by
Kit Clayton + Sue Costabile [scape/orthlorng musork]
Audio/Visual Theater performing "Interruption"

Steve Roden [trente oiseaux/12k]

Akira Rabelais [mille plateaux/fallt]

j.frede [current recordings/doctsect]

 
Location:
The Derby
4500 Los Feliz Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 
 
Admission - $10 (21+)
presale tickets available at
Sea Level Records. 1716 W. Sunset Blvd. Los Angeles, CA 90026
or online at www.wantickets.com

 
[Biographies]

Joshua Kit Clayton is a San Francisco based computer programmer and electronic musician. Born in Evanston, Illinois in 1974, he went on to study computer science and electronic music at Wesleyan University and has since released various musical compositions on record labels such as Cytrax, Vertical Form, ~scape, Mille Plateaux, and Orthlorng Musork. In addition to his musical work, Joshua is a programmer for Cycling '74, where he is responsible for further development of the Max/MSP MIDI/audio programming environment. Recent work has focused on "Jitter", a multi-dimensional dataset processing and visualization architecture with applications in audio, video, and 3D graphics.

Sue Costabile is a photographer and video artist working with a combination of analog and digital processes, both as a solo artist and in collaboration with various musicians. Born in Long Island, New York in 1974, she has resided in San Francisco since 1996. With academic training largely focused on both the natural and built environments (first studying ecology and then architectural engineering) themes of the organic and the inorganic are often explored. Her live video performances focus on improvisational techniques involving various media including photographs, negatives, drawings and tiny objects, set in motion and digitized in real-time, then processed in the Max/MSP/Jitter software environment.

About their Audio/Visual Performance; Interruption

Interruption explores the relationship between the concrete world of the everyday and the fantasies we project upon it. During the performance, the artists are laying down, each with a video camera and a microphone suspended close to their faces. The microphones are connected to a custom built audio/video processing system which takes direction from the sounds heard by the microphones and the images seen by the cameras. The theme of "interruption" is explored in the interaction between the live, narrative audio/video stream and a concurrent, pre-recorded audio/video stream. What is projected on the screen depends upon the artists actions and vocal expressions

[related links: www.musork.com  <= /tt > www.scape-music.de]


steve roden is a visual and sound artist from los angeles. his work includes painting, drawing, sculpture, films, and sound installation. the works are a combination of conceptual strategies and intuitive movements. found structures and systems are lifted from their original intentions and used as the basis for improvisation and abstraction. in the visual works, printed language, graphic design, maps, and other forms of specific visual notation are lifted from their original intentions and abstracted to create open readings. in the sound works; objects, architectural spaces, and field recordings, are abstracted through electronics to create audio new spaces, or 'possible landscapes'. the sound works present themselves with an aesthetic roden describes as "lower case'' - sound concerned with subtlety and the quiet activity of listening. the la weekly recently called roden "the most idiosyncratic abstract painter to emerge from l.a. in the 90's"; while the wire magazine recently referred to roden's cd 'the radio' as "a particularly modest form of genius."

roden has released several cd's of his sound works under his own name, as well as under the name 'in be tween noise'. labels include trente oiseaux, germany; sonoris, france; gmbh, france; digital narcis and meme from japan; and line, usa. roden's work has appeared on a number of international compilations, including the tulpas project on selektion, germany. in 1999, roden co-edited the publication 'site of sound ' an exploration of the relationships between sound and architecture, with contributions from various architects, sound artists and critics including christina kubisch, steve peters, tom marioni, and pierre koenig.
steve roden has been exhibiting his visual and sound works since 1986. he has had numerous solo and group exhibitions internationally, including museums, galleries and arts spaces in usa, italy, france, japan, bulgaria, slovenia, england, etc. [related links: www.inbetweennoise.com  www.12k.com]
 
Composer Akira Rabelais grew up on a racehorse in South Texas and squandered his youth in the sundry bars and houses of ill repute of Austin reading books and writing music. BFA from Bennington College, composition studies with Bill Dixon and Joel Chadabe. MFA from CalArts under Mort Subotnick and Tom Erbe. Author of various software including Arge=95phontes Lyre (A set of time domain filters and generators. Dynamic FM Synthesis, Evisceration Reanimation, Time Domain Mutation, Morphological Disintegration and the Lobster Quadrille). Releases include 'Elongated Pentagonal Pyramid', 'Eisoptrophobia', 'Paysage', '...b=8En=8Ediction, draw.' And 'Spellwaveringshard'.
[related links: www.akirarabelais.com   www.fallt.com]

j.frede is an experimental music composer who works with sound ranging from field recordings to electro-acoustic atmospheres, microsound subtleties to ambient soundscapes, live performances to audio installations. Currently Frede is working with field recordings of both natural and urban environments and digital compositions built using acoustic sounds. When performing live j.frede utilizes a variety of PC based software to write compositions in real time using found sounds and digital manipulations.

Originating from New Mexico (usa), j.frede has been working in the field of experimental audio and sound design for over seven years. Frede has been working for the last four years in Denver, CO and is now living in Los Angeles. j.frede is currently working with field recordings of both natural and urban environments, sine wave frequencies, and digital compositions built using acoustic sounds. =46rede's live performance can vary depending on each event and the acoustic space it is presented in. [related links: www.ritualdocument.com www.doctsect.com]
There will also be a DJ set from New Mexico based sound artist Inerex you can find out more on his work at http://ritualdocument.com/inerex
 
For more info please contact
Lynn Hasty at lynn@greengalactic.com or

Green Galactic - www.greengalactic.com


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--============_-1165107237==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 7 01:11:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2769g419358; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 01:09:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 01:09:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <035a01c2e43d$ce56acc0$d1ccf5d1@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <7c.368d4d53.2b993c74@aol.com> Subject: Re: newbie needs help Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 00:09:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "I wouldn't spend $500.00 unless it was towards the EDP." i concur. if you're going to spend 5, spend it on the good stuff. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 7 01:39:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h276btF22478; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 01:37:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 01:37:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 22:37:17 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Lexicon MPX G2 Jamman synch issue resolved In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DCB6E55-5067-11D7-93EA-0003934CD2FA@zerocrossing.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <43iaSC.A.NcF.j4Da-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ... though I may add that it has that JamMan patented "click" at the loop point. Could this be resolved in ROM OS 1.1? We'll see... Mark On Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 08:32 PM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Hey gang, > > I took some time to try and figure out why the G2's JamMan function was > getting clock (the bpm would change) but would drift. I plugged the > output of the MC-307 directly into the G2 (it had been going into a > midiman splitter) and it synced and stayed in sync! Huh? OH NO! I > realized the power supply to the midiman splitter had come unplugged! > I've had the same bad sync issue with the Repeater when this happened > too. Problem solved. It's been going for about 10 minutes now and > it's still perfectly synced. I'm excited! I think I'm going to really > like this box. > > Mark Sottilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 7 01:51:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h276osf23885; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 01:50:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 01:50:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1429 Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 22:50:19 -0800 Subject: Re: slightly ot: the quest for a groovebox From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 3/6/03 9:07 AM, Legion at legion@helpwantedproductions.com wrote: > The ER1 is the exclusive drum machine/percussion in my handheld music > shows. You can listen to MP3s to hear it's flexibilty here: > > http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/samples.htm Interesting stuff. I like Kalimba a lot. How much of that is ER-1? How much of that is being sequenced using the ER-1's sequencer as opposed to just using the ER-1 as a sound source? Mark Sent using the Entourage X Test Drive. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 7 04:00:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h278uOo03176; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 03:56:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 03:56:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000401c2e487$31f43100$7f49dd0c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: Subject: Re: electric sitars Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 02:54:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > you say the power comes over the stereo audio cable... phantom like? > what unit powers it? I'll try to draw how it is hooked up. I built a small box which merges the power and audio onto the same cable: Homemade Sitar body Splitter Box +---------------------+ +--------+ +-------------+ | | | 9V AC +------>|-------->Ring+<--------->|Tip<-Audio out | |Adapter | 1/8"| +-Tip | 1/4" |Ring->9V for delay | +--+-+---+ | | | Stereo | | | | | | | Cable +---------------------+ | | | Audio out <-----|-------+ | to amp 1/4" | | Mono +-------------+ Hope that makes sense. Mark Smart From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 7 07:48:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h27Cj5H24561; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 07:45:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 07:45:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:43:45 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Lexicon MPX G2 Jamman synch issue resolved Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <_syi2C.A.J8F.0PJa-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hey gang, > >I took some time to try and figure out why the G2's JamMan function >was getting clock (the bpm would change) but would drift. I plugged >the output of the MC-307 directly into the G2 (it had been going >into a midiman splitter) and it synced and stayed in sync! Huh? OH >NO! I realized the power supply to the midiman splitter had come >unplugged! I've had the same bad sync issue with the Repeater when >this happened too. Problem solved. It's been going for about 10 >minutes now and it's still perfectly synced. I'm excited! I think >I'm going to really like this box. > >Mark Sottilaro great! so you dont test the other way round? just for me... and the records, after talking about it that looong! also: did you verify that you get the drift when you put that spitter back (with or without power). It does not make much sense to me, and maybe the drift happens sometimes and sometimes not... thank you Matthias -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 7 09:07:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h27E5aQ03103; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:05:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:05:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: faisal@mail.interfree.it Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020919061408.63684.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020919061408.63684.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 15:02:37 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: faisal moro Subject: Jamman schematics needed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi all! i'm trying to make a custom pedal for my jammans that include display duplication (i talked about this some time ago). Does anybody out there has any? Thanks in advance! Faisal From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 7 09:07:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h27E74L03271; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:07:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:07:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01f301c2e4b2$1dea4840$eff15cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #311 for March 6, 2003 Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:01:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #311 March 6, 2003. RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on Spacecraft, a spacemusic group originally inspired the the Voyager space probe. The Featured CD at midnight was "Spacecraft" on the Lektronic Soundscapes label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Forever Blowing Bubbles" by Clearlight on Virgin Records. I played the music of vidnaObmana who will play at the next Soundscapes in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania on April 19. I also played the music of Vir Unis and James Johnson and Mother Mallard's Portable Masterpiece Co. who will be at upcoming Gatherings in Philadelphia in April and May. Spacecraft http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#mar The Soundscapes Concert Series http://soundscapes.us The Gathering Concert Series http://thegatherings.org PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Clearlight Without Words Forever Blowing Bubbles (Virgin) Mother Mallard's Train 1970-1973 (Cuneiform) Portable Masterpiece Co. vidnaObmana and The Fall The Oblique Fusion (none) Joris De Backer Vir Unis and Continuous Prehistory 1 Perimeter (In the Bubble Music James Johnson and Zero Music) Vir Unis and Continuous Prehistory 2 Perimeter (In the Bubble Music James Johnson and Zero Music) Larry Kucharz CyberDusk CyberChoralColors (International Audiochrome) Stars of the Lid Mullholland The Tired Sounds of the Stars of the Lid (Kranky) Harold Grasskopf Sea of Tranquility Digital Nomad (AMP) 12:00 am Spacecraft Planetary Orbit Spacecraft (Lektronic Sndscps) Spacecraft Zero, One Spacecraft (Lektronic Sndscps) Spacecraft Topo Scan Spacecraft (Lektronic Sndscps) Spacecraft Transmission Spacecraft (Lektronic Sndscps) Spacecraft Voyager One Spacecraft (Lektronic Sndscps) Spacecraft Satellite Dispatch Spacecraft (Lektronic Sndscps) Spacecraft Destination: Infinity Spacecraft (Lektronic Sndscps) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Spacecraft. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Hummel" on the Lektronic Soundscapes label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Between Contemplation," an LP put out by the German radio show "Between" on Wero Records. I will also play the music of vidnaObmana, Vir Unis, and James Johnson who will be appearing at local concerts in April. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 7 09:13:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h27ECau04215; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:12:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:12:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 13:37:18 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Re: New Live Looping mp3's online In-Reply-To: <20030306233140.91220.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: <04aeb0912140733PCOW057M@blueyonder.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: <58dDDB.A.TBB.7iKa-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes me too, such an interesting use of sounds and playing. I enjoyed the MP3s - Thanks. Ian. At 23:31 06/03/03 , you wrote: >--- Dave Trenkel wrote: >> I just put up some mp3's from our gig last Thursday. The address is >> http://www.newandimprov.com/ TopDeadCenter.html >> >> This is the trio that performed at the Portland Loopfest Au-go-go, >> Matt Calkins on saxes, JD Monroe on turntables, and me on keys, loops >> and lotsa crap. The recording's far from perfect, I'm too loud, the >> sax is too quiet, but it's representative of what we do. Enjoy! > >Very nice, Dave. I've really enjoyed your songs today. What a great way to spend >an afternoon! > >Greg > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more >http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 7 09:13:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h27ECUX04209; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:12:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:12:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 13:31:08 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Re: slightly ot: the quest for a groovebox In-Reply-To: <02da01c2e3cf$2aaecf30$d1ccf5d1@g0wn7> References: <1046940151.3e6709f7cd9ec@www.suitandtieguy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h27EC9M04137 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Jim, I use the Electribe ER1 - I love it. Despite a few inadequacies, its got me into drum programming again in a way that I hadn't since selling my Roland TR606 15 years ago. It does 4/4 & 3/4 which is a limitation, so, even with working with multiples of 3 or 4 you can't easily get a 5/4 or 7/8 rhythm. It is incredibly intuitive to use though and you can very easily develop patterns live. You can't save a pattern whilst its playing but its very straightforward to change and develop them as they're playing. The onboard percussion synths give loads of control over your sounds (which don't need to be "percussion-like" at all). You can also send MIDI messages to other gear - using the ER1's pattern-based sequencing to control other drum sounds which I really like. I've found that it syncs up well to MIDI clock with most things - fx, other drum machines, sequencer, arpegiators.... The exception to this has been when using my Fostex hard disk recorder as "master", for some (as yet undiscovered reason) The ER1 runs slow and out of time, the same happened when   using it synced to an AKAI multi tracker. Oh, and there's the Motion Sequencer! Which gives rhythms another dimension of movement and intricacy. I've found it very simple and reliable. Hope this is of some help. Ian. At 10:57 06/03/03 , you wrote: >regarding the ELECTRIBE series: > >i've been thinking about the ER-1...does anybody use this?  i'm wondering if >you're restricted to 4/4 and if the unit is able to be sync'd to my edp.  if >anybody has a suggestion for a different beat machine, i'm all ears but i'm >not trying to spend a fortune on something that i plan on using in >moderation. > >-jim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 7 09:48:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h27Ejp307672; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:45:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:45:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 09:45:07 -0500 Subject: Slightly OT (MIDI switcher) From: kenn lowy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200303071408.h27E81a03503@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3129875109_3281108" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3129875109_3281108 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Does anyone know of a MIDI switcher (like the old A/B boxes). I need something manual, stomp box kind of thing. Thanks, klowy --B_3129875109_3281108 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Slightly OT (MIDI switcher) Does anyone know of a MIDI switcher (like the old A/B = boxes). I need something manual, stomp box kind of thing.

Thanks,

klowy --B_3129875109_3281108-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 7 10:04:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h27F3gc11249; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:03:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:03:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: faisal@mail.interfree.it Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 16:01:28 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: faisal moro Subject: Re: Slightly OT (MIDI switcher) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1165073207==_ma============" X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Resent-Message-ID: <22aiG.A.3tC.mSLa-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1165073207==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Don't know if i understood, but look at the SoundSculpture website: http://www.soundsculpture.com They produce a series of small midi utilities, from continuos controllers to switchers and much more. They make great products and are very kind people too. Doei! Faisal >Does anyone know of a MIDI switcher (like the old A/B boxes). I need >something manual, stomp box kind of thing. > >Thanks, > >klowy --============_-1165073207==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Slightly OT (MIDI switcher)
Don't know if i understood, but look at the SoundSculpture website:

http://www.soundsculpture.com

They produce a series of small midi utilities, from continuos controllers to switchers and much more.
They make great products and are very kind people too.

Doei!
Faisal

Does anyone know of a MIDI switcher (like the old A/B boxes). I need something manual, stomp box kind of thing.

Thanks,
klowy
--============_-1165073207==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 7 10:43:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h27Fh3E16345; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:43:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:43:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 10:42:15 -0500 From: Guywithatele@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Slightly OT (MIDI switcher) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <268BB0B3.667CEB58.2437D650@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry, I misunderstood you. I was writing about audio. Doh! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 7 10:45:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h27FgCV16201; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:42:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:42:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 10:41:01 -0500 From: Guywithatele@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Slightly OT (MIDI switcher) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <6E4E62F2.549B6A2B.2437D650@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Check out access-electronics.com His GXR4 (or GRX4) switcher should do it for you. It allows A/B switching as well as other routing options, via midi. He sells a tiny midi footswitch to go with it, but it'll respond to any midi footswitch already out there (I believe). You can email Mario with your questions. He's bombarded, so be succinct. Also, he provides manuals for all of his gear. He is co-designer of the renowned Framptone A/B/Both switch that runs $350 bucks, but apparently the owners of it swear by it (see harmony-central.com/framptone.....not a direct link, by the way). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 7 10:53:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h27Fq5617485; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:52:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:52:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 07:49:07 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Lexicon MPX G2 Jamman synch issue resolved In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <549342C8-50B4-11D7-93EA-0003934CD2FA@zerocrossing.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I did not try it the other way, nor did I put the plugged in splitter back, because I've had this issue many times in the past with other MIDI syncable devices. I've been working a lot (March has been crazy! Is the economy coming back?) so I ran out of time. I'll try again sometimes this weekend and report back. Mark On Friday, March 7, 2003, at 04:43 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: > also: did you verify that you get the drift when you put that spitter > back (with or without power). It does not make much sense to me, and > maybe the drift happens sometimes and sometimes not... > > thank you > Matthias > -- > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 7 11:12:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h27GBIE20994; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 11:11:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 11:11:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 08:07:29 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: slightly ot: the quest for a groovebox In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yesterday I went and listened to an on-line demo of the E-mu Command Station and I kind of thought it sounded a little too "generic dance." Could have been the demo though, as I don't remember thinking that about Jon's sequences when we gigged together. Jon, do you have any posts of the Command Station in action? Last night, while I was screwing with the Lexicon MPX G2 sync issue, I cranked up the Roland MC-307 to a nice level through my studio monitors (I usually don headphones to save my downstairs landlord/tenant relationship) and it sounded great to me! The thing I like about it is it's got a bunch of really weird stuff that when you first listen to it you might say, "bad sound" but it really has it's own personality. This is all totally opinion though. What I'm saying is, if you're looking for *ANY* device, give it a try. One human's music is another human's noise. Mark On Friday, March 7, 2003, at 05:31 AM, Ian Popperwell wrote: > Hi Jim, > > I use the Electribe ER1 - I love it. Despite a few inadequacies, its > got me > into drum programming again in a way that I hadn't since selling my > Roland > TR606 15 years ago. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 7 11:40:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h27GaEl23973; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 11:36:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 11:36:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: slightly ot: the quest for a groovebox Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 08:35:52 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c2e4c7$9ed5ed00$6501a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <981aoD.A.kxF.JoMa-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just my $0.02 I have two relatively cheap drum machines, the ER-1 and Zoom 323. Both sync well and combined are more than the sum of the parts. I like the interaction between the rompler Zoom and the virtual analog ER-1... Neil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 7 12:20:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h27HH9R30314; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 12:17:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 12:17:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 17:15:44 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Re: Slightly OT (MIDI switcher) In-Reply-To: References: <200303071408.h27E81a03503@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: <0739c0418170733PCOW034M@blueyonder.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not certain, but I should try MIDI Solutions and Philip Rees. Both firms produce lots of MIDI 'gadgets'. Ian At 14:45 07/03/03 , you wrote: > > Does anyone know of a MIDI switcher (like the old A/B boxes). I need > something manual, stomp box kind of thing. > > Thanks, > > klowy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 7 12:49:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h27HmBN01649; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 12:48:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 12:48:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 12:46:19 -0500 To: nyhappenings@yahoogroups.com, "Looper's Delight Mailing List" From: Tom Ritchford Subject: 3/8: NYloop Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com back back back (unfortunately) back from Rotterdam and into your arms open loop loops openly as usually always open looping Saturday, that's Saturday, March March March March 8, Saturdays from 4 PM till 8 PM. open loop is live open looped looping of live and looped and electronic looped instruments and loops every Saturday at Chama, 332 E4 St, NY, NY, every Saturday at Chama. bring an instrument, loop, or just hang out. http://loopNY.com /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/calendar .................................. the calendar. http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 7 15:39:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h27KZW825064; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 15:35:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 15:35:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <549342C8-50B4-11D7-93EA-0003934CD2FA@zerocrossing.net> References: <549342C8-50B4-11D7-93EA-0003934CD2FA@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 17:34:42 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Lexicon MPX G2 Jamman synch issue resolved Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, If you are sure about the splitter, thats fine. to make the G2 master would still be an interesting test. And I remembered of another possible problem: If we have the EDP inserted to the G2 or a loop running on the internal Jamman, we want it to be reverbed constantely, even when changing preset to get a different effect before the loop or a different sequence of effects. As I understand from the manual, they thought of that and kept the Reverb program separate. Still, if you could confirm that there is no interruption, or better: in which case there is an interruption at preset change. { I remember that in the Roland SRV2000 reverb, there is no interruption when some parameters like room size are the same in the previous and the new preset, while other parameters like reverb time could change without causeing interruption } thank you Matthias >I did not try it the other way, nor did I put the plugged in >splitter back, because I've had this issue many times in the past >with other MIDI syncable devices. I've been working a lot (March >has been crazy! Is the economy coming back?) so I ran out of time. >I'll try again sometimes this weekend and report back. > >Mark > >On Friday, March 7, 2003, at 04:43 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: >>also: did you verify that you get the drift when you put that >>spitter back (with or without power). It does not make much sense >>to me, and maybe the drift happens sometimes and sometimes not... >> >>thank you >>Matthias -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 7 15:41:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h27KakC25173; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 15:36:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 15:36:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000401c2e487$31f43100$7f49dd0c@insightbb.com> References: <000401c2e487$31f43100$7f49dd0c@insightbb.com> Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 17:36:00 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: electric sitars Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oh, the ring is only for supply and the audio is mono? I had understood that you found a way to transport stereo (separate delay, in this case) + supply over a stereo cable. thank you anyway! Matthias > > you say the power comes over the stereo audio cable... phantom like? >> what unit powers it? > >I'll try to draw how it is hooked up. I built a small box which >merges the power and audio onto the same cable: > > > Homemade Sitar body > Splitter Box +---------------------+ >+--------+ +-------------+ | | >| 9V AC +------>|-------->Ring+<--------->|Tip<-Audio out | >|Adapter | 1/8"| +-Tip | 1/4" |Ring->9V for delay | >+--+-+---+ | | | Stereo | | > | | | | | Cable +---------------------+ > | | | > Audio out <-----|-------+ | > to amp 1/4" | | > Mono +-------------+ > >Hope that makes sense. > >Mark Smart -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 7 15:46:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h27Keuh25692; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 15:40:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 15:40:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <009201c2e29d$9e19a9a0$a538fc0c@amd> References: <20030304090026.69913.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> <006d01c2e244$849b77f0$d1ccf5d1@g0wn7> <009201c2e29d$9e19a9a0$a538fc0c@amd> Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 17:39:21 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: So you want an effects processor (A5000)? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com fascinating suggestion, Jesse! I was mainly trying to reduce size and weight of my box by replacing the PCM80 and PCM90 by a single effect unit. With a A5000 the box would have the same hight, but become deeper and a little heavier but there would be a sampler... I dont know whether i could use one. Certainly would be interesting to record the show on its HD, but I am not sure whether the routing allows to use the effects and record the result? Could be interesting to add some basic loops... can you record samples nearly realtime? Certainly the effects dont match the PCMs, and there is no need for stage. But can you do complex things that sound pretty strange or just the standard chorus/pitch and such as it looks in Yamahas Sampler manual? >Effected Loopers- > >I use a Yamaha A5000 sampler as an outboard effects processor. It's funny, >because the A5000 has SIX effects blocks which you can route in parallel or >series and 96 (some of which are two or more effects at once, so it's really >more than 96) different effects, each with up to 16 parameters that can be >adjusted beforehand and/or controlled by MIDI continuous control messages. >Effects like delay and flange can sync to MIDI clock via the program LFO. > >As far as inputs go, you can either send the right and left to the effects >as a stereo pair, or turn right and left into two mono channels. But, if >you do the mono route and you send the signal to a stereo delay, it will >still make your signal stereo! The A4/5000 comes with two stereo pairs of >outputs, so you could plug in two guitars or whatever (on into the L input >and one into the R), run them through effects, and get two seperate stereo >signals off the back of the sampler. If you add the AIEB2 expansion board, >there's another three stereos pairs of outputs to play with and a SPDIF out. > >I'm just reading all this stuff about the MPX G2 (76 effects, 7 in a row, >$1,349), and the MPX1 (54 effects, 4 in a row plus reverb, $699) and saying, >"Yeah my sampler pretty much does that -- and it's a sampler, too!" Since >everyone thinks software samplers are so great the A4000s (three effects >blocks) and A5000s (six effects blocks) are typically going for peanuts on >Ebay, usually with all kinds of upgrades like maxed out memory and external >SCSI peripherals. > >Unfortunately, you can only control four effects parameters at a time >(period), via MIDI CCs. But, by creating different programs containing only >effects information, you could send program change messages if you wanted to >control different parameters. > >I made a program for my gigs last weekend that was TechMod (a ring >modulator) --> LoFi (reduce the sample rate of the input to 2kHz) --> >3BandEQ --> Pitch1 (a two-voice pitch shifter, which I control via MIDI CC >for dive bomb effects and squeals -- sorry, Digitech, I don't need your $199 >Whammy pedal) --> Comp[ressor]. This makes the most wicked synth bass >sounds I've ever heard that weren't actually synth bass. I am about ready >to throw my Electroharmonix Bass Microsynth up on Ebay, because the A5K is >much better. > >Here's some examples of the effects. Many of them are very unique, and many >combine more than one effect... > >Scratch (adds an analog record scratch sound to the input signal) >Auto-Syn (adds a weird synthesizer noise to the input) >Tech-Mod (ring modulator) >NoisAmb (adds noise and uses a delay to broaden the sound) >Jump (cuts apart the input signal and applies extreme modulation to the >playback order or speed) >BeatChg (modifies waveform length of the sound in realtime) >Pitch1 (changes the pitch of the input signal >LoReso (simulates a lowered resolution of the input signal) >Radio (simulates a radio) >TurnTbl (simulates the noise of an analog record) >OvDr+Dly (overdrive and delay are connected in series) >AmpSimS (Stereo amp simulator) >C+DS+DL (compressor, distortion, and delay are connected in series) >W+OD+DL (auto-wah, overdrive, and delay are connected in series) >etc. >etc. > >These as well as the vanilla delay, stereo delay, chorus, stereo chorus, >hi/lo/band-pass filters, several rotary speaker simulators, amp simulators, >distortion (although, the distortion is crap), auto-wah, compression, eight >different reverbs (all with adjustable parameters), and MIDI clock-syncable >versions of effects. > >So, yeah, that's my contribution to the effects processor rants. Not only >is the A5000 a killer effects processor, but you can playback monkey noises, >or George Bush quote samples (oh, wait, those are nearly one in the same) >during your performance should you desire it. > >-Jesse -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 7 16:11:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h27KvxK27645; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 15:57:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 15:57:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1047070479.3e69070f35d13@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 15:54:39 -0500 From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: So you want an effects processor (A5000)? References: <20030304090026.69913.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> <006d01c2e244$849b77f0$d1ccf5d1@g0wn7> <009201c2e29d$9e19a9a0$a538fc0c@amd> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.177.160 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting Matthias Grob : > I was mainly trying to reduce size and weight of my box by replacing > the PCM80 and PCM90 by a single effect unit. those are some quality pieces there, and i'm sure they're easier to work with than the A5000. that said, i am myself interested in one for it's processing. or maybe i'll just get three more Digitech Studio 400s. mwhahahaha! --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 7 17:58:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h27LYWv31443; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 16:34:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 16:34:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e801c2e4f1$39fdf0b0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <20030304090026.69913.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> <006d01c2e244$849b77f0$d1ccf5d1@g0wn7> <009201c2e29d$9e19a9a0$a538fc0c@amd> <1047070479.3e69070f35d13@www.suitandtieguy.com> Subject: See ya at Loopstock 2003! Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 16:33:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com YEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAA!!! I bought my plane tickets for Loopstock 2003 today! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 7 18:06:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h27N2aV03739; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 18:02:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 18:02:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 17:00:51 -0500 Subject: Info on Hughes & Kettner Replex From: Jeffrey Lomas To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone have any experience with the Hughes & Kettner Replex they would like to share? jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 7 18:47:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h27Neic07456; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 18:40:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 18:40:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 16:53:22 -0500 Subject: LD site down? From: Jeffrey Lomas To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is the LD site down? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 7 18:51:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h27NnwR08376; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 18:49:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 18:49:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006c01c2e50c$6bac08c0$a538fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <20030304090026.69913.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> <006d01c2e244$849b77f0$d1ccf5d1@g0wn7> <009201c2e29d$9e19a9a0$a538fc0c@amd> Subject: Re: So you want an effects processor (A5000)? Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 16:48:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias- Yes, the A5000 is a large box (14" deep), two rack spaces high. It's not that heavy though, compared to the size/weight ratio of the EDP. Most of the box is empty. You wouldn't be able to record a show on the A4/5000 because the RAM, which is what it records into and plays out of, maxes out at 128MB (about 12 minutes of stereo 44.1kHz, 16-bit audio). You also wouldn't be able to use it as an effects processor and recorder, unless you were using it in mono. And even then it would be a weird setup. Ha ha, no realtime recording/looping either. Although, you could sample a loop or a set of loops and put them in the A5000 and trigger them with some kind of keyboard/foot controller, which you could then play over, but this would require work at home beforehand. It's not a device that's designed for live, on-the-fly usage. The A5000 does not generate sync (and will only sync it's LFO [through which you can sync delay effects] to external sync), however, so you would need some kind of brain (e.g. sequencer) controlling things. *Or* you could program some kind of click into a loop that would only go out of a specific output, and then pipe that into the BeatSync jack on the EDP. Possibilities for abuse are endless. The A5000 has a function called "Beat Change" which allows you to change the length of a sample (e.g. a drum loop) without changing the pitch, or vice versa, or both, in realtime. You could map this control to a MIDI CC fader/knob and adjust the tempo of a drum loop in realtime. However, the timestretching does not work on signals coming in the analog inputs on the front of the A5000 (that would require the sound to be constantly sampled and tossed into a buffer while the sound was being dynamically slowed down and played back, and...well, how would you speed it up...a mind-reading sampler that could predict the waveforms of what you were going to play into it? -- once again, not what this thing was primarily designed for). What the A5000 excels at is sound mangling. It does much more than just chorus and pitch stuff. The lo-fidelity/lo-res filters, and the ring-modulator (TechMod) are my favorite to play with. But putting those through rotating speaker simulators, and pitch shifters make for some really wacky sounds, too. And when you start controlling effects parameters with footpedals, then you're getting out there. I think it's a good box. It has more than one use. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 12:39 PM Subject: Re: So you want an effects processor (A5000)? > fascinating suggestion, Jesse! > I was mainly trying to reduce size and weight of my box by replacing > the PCM80 and PCM90 by a single effect unit. > > With a A5000 the box would have the same hight, but become deeper and > a little heavier but there would be a sampler... > I dont know whether i could use one. > > Certainly would be interesting to record the show on its HD, but I am > not sure whether the routing allows to use the effects and record the > result? > > Could be interesting to add some basic loops... can you record > samples nearly realtime? > > Certainly the effects dont match the PCMs, and there is no need for stage. > But can you do complex things that sound pretty strange or just the > standard chorus/pitch and such as it looks in Yamahas Sampler manual? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 7 18:59:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h27Numd09373; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 18:56:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 18:56:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 18:56:44 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: LD site down? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <02f601c2e505$34e7d140$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <6KvlJ.A.TPC.dGTa-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Lomas" > Is the LD site down? I can get to it. * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 7 19:49:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h280hnC14650; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 19:43:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 19:43:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1047084196.3e693ca4887e7@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 19:43:16 -0500 From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: So you want an effects processor (A5000)? References: <20030304090026.69913.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> <006d01c2e244$849b77f0$d1ccf5d1@g0wn7> <009201c2e29d$9e19a9a0$a538fc0c@amd> <006c01c2e50c$6bac08c0$a538fc0c@amd> In-Reply-To: <006c01c2e50c$6bac08c0$a538fc0c@amd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.177.160 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm curious ... how much memory does Yamaha allow you to use for the delay effect? thanks, --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 8 01:28:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h286PKB10650; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 01:25:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 01:25:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 03:25:02 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: finally a MIDI looper? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <0AxIqD.A.5lC.uyYa-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey Gary! did we talk about this soft before? could not find in the archive... And you mentioned it at the end of a post with a totally different subject, so the MIDI cracks may not have seen it? I was waiting for a long time that somebody would do that. Unfortunately I am not quite in the situation to test it. It looks like its not available right now. And it seems not to simulate FeedBack... But still: >and master clock--but there is also this >http://www.phoniclab.ca/mloop.htm >which might solve my problem in the future . . . >Is the author of this program on this list? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 8 01:59:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h286uBX12760; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 01:56:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 01:56:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030308065536.67833.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 22:55:36 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: Info on Hughes & Kettner Replex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200303072351.h27Npgh08716@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jeff, When I purchased the Line 6 DL-4, I found myself not satisfied with the sounds. As I was reading up on Harmony Central about the DL-4, I found several mentions of the Replex. People seemed very enthusiastic about it so I continued my research. Eventually I bought one (and sold the DL-4). I too am now very enthusiastic about it. Basically, it's a digital reverb and delay device with a tube in the circuitry to warm up the sound. Mono in, mono out. The reverb sounds great at all but the maximum setting where it starts to get a bit digital sounding. Then there is a single tap delay and a double tap delay. Several people on H-C complained about the complexity of the front panel knobs when trying to mess with the double tap delay. Really there's nothing to it, just a lot of options for control. You can also slightly overdrive the tube to get a soft distortion sound though that's not what it's there for. Ever since I got this little box, I can't play my acoustic unplugged anymore. It warms up the sound of the guitar so much that I always keep it on. Even without any reverb or delay it still makes the guitar sound better. They go for $450 new, I picked mine up for $325. Money very well spent. Stephen Anyone have any experience with the Hughes & Kettner Replex they would like to share? jeff __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 8 02:07:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2874PB14513; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 02:04:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 02:04:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: finally a MIDI looper? Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 23:04:01 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Comments on the site would lead one to believe there was a version of M-loop out previously--has anyone used it? My synth guitar (Starr Labs Ztar) has a MIDI looper in the new OS--but you can't set tempo by loop size--but it does work! Harvey Starr asked me how the Echoplex determines clock speed based on loop size--I'm afraid I couldn't quite tell him-- He has a fellow helping him write code--all he needs is more customers 8^) Is there a drum machine that lets you determine loop size on the fly? Gary -----Original Message----- From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 10:25 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: finally a MIDI looper? hey Gary! did we talk about this soft before? could not find in the archive... And you mentioned it at the end of a post with a totally different subject, so the MIDI cracks may not have seen it? I was waiting for a long time that somebody would do that. Unfortunately I am not quite in the situation to test it. It looks like its not available right now. And it seems not to simulate FeedBack... But still: >and master clock--but there is also this >http://www.phoniclab.ca/mloop.htm >which might solve my problem in the future . . . >Is the author of this program on this list? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 8 02:12:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h287BSS15132; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 02:11:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 02:11:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030308071056.49372.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 23:10:56 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: slightly ot: the quest for a groovebox To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200303072351.h27Npgh08716@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Sottilaro wrote: Yesterday I went and listened to an on-line demo of the E-mu Command Station and I kind of thought it sounded a little too "generic dance." Could have been the demo though, as I don't remember thinking that about Jon's sequences when we gigged together. Mark, Yes, you can make this (or any) groove box sound "generic dance". And if that's what the kids want, then that's how the demo makers will make the demos. Emu has some pretty fantastic sound cards, I've stuffed my Command Station full with 4 different sound ROM's. The real power of the Command Station comes from the large variety of knobs and switches that allow you to tweak things in real time, either sequences that you've pre-made, or real time control of sounds that you are performing live (or a combination of the two). Since I don't do "generic dance", none of my stuff sounds remotely like it. BTW, the Proteus 2500 is a command station like the XL-7 and the MP-7. It's just lacking the keyboard pads and touchstrip. Emu is soon to be releasing a Command Station version of the Proteus 2500 called the PX-7, basically the same as the other two except it comes stock with the Proteus 2500 sound ROM instead of the Extreme Lead or the Mo' Phatt sound ROM. Each groovebox has its strengths and weaknessness. Know what you want in a groovebox and then look for the one that does it the best. Kinda like loopers in that regard... :) Stephen __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 8 03:19:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h288IVd20318; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 03:18:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 03:18:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c2e553$97970ba0$a538fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <20030308071056.49372.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Groovebox question... Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 01:17:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Regarding these grooveboxes... Do these things allow for non-linear control of a sequence? For example, in a otherwise linear sequence can I flag four bars of the sequence to loop indefinitely until I press a button signaling the sequencer to continue on? Can I assign buttons to sections of a sequenced song and move between them dynamically in quantized (waits until the end of the bar after the keypress), and unquantized (jumps immediately at keypress) ways? -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 8 03:36:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h288Wm721183; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 03:32:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 03:32:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c2e555$9a94d060$a538fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <20030308071056.49372.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Non-linear sequencer (possible groovebox alternative)... Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 01:32:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For those of you considering a groovebox, who don't intend to use the built in sounds, or anyone who would like to make your sequences less linear, read on... Currently I am using a software sequencer called MIDI Maestro (www.midimaestro.com) to de-linearize my sequences for a live setting. It's actually intended to be used for musicals, which as anyone knows who has ever played in a pit orchestra, have a lot of "vamp" sections where the musicians just loop four bars or whatever, waiting for the actors to move on to the rest of the song, and sections where the conductor cues hits in time with the actors' dialog and actions. MIDI Maestro provides for this kind of semi-non-linearity in a really amazingly smooth way. I don't actually sequence in MIDI Maestro, I like Sonar much better, but when I'm done I dump it into MIDI Maestro and start setting up loops and realtime control stuff. Here's some cool features: - You can adjust tempos of sequences on the fly +/-200% using a slider in the program, or by mapping a pitchbend wheel (or other controller) to the tempo control. - It sends and receives MIDI clock, so you can use an EDP with it. Not sure what happens when you have an EDP synced and you start changing the tempo during a sequence...haven't tried that yet. - You can map the sequencer transport controls to MIDI notes and use MIDI footpedals to signal the sequencer to start, or stop, or move on from within a loop, etc. etc.. - It will also play back digital audio with your MIDI sequences. Don't know if it records (I use Sonar for that stuff). - It has a built in MIDI click track that you can send to any device/channel/note number. I just wrote Ken Pletzer with my first batch of questions about MIDI Maestro and received a reply from him within 12 hours. He seems like a great guy, and loves hearing that people are using his software. I suggested implementing the ability to move between sections of a song by mapping keys on the keyboard, or MIDI notes to each section and having a flag for whether that section was to loop indefinitely, move on, jump in a quantized way, or an unquantized way, etc. etc. He may implement that stuff, or may not. It doesn't really fit in with his design purpose. I would be interested in learning about any other sequencer, hardware or software, out there that provides for such non-linear sequence manipulation. Yes, every email I write is long and detailed. I type very fast, and I like my gear and would like to share knowledge with others. -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 8 04:01:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h288wQI23371; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 03:58:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 03:58:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: RE: Groovebox question... Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 09:58:40 +0100 Message-ID: <000801c2e550$ea5c0a00$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <000d01c2e553$97970ba0$a538fc0c@amd> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Jesse, > Do these things allow for non-linear control of a sequence? > For example, in > a otherwise linear sequence can I flag four bars of the > sequence to loop > indefinitely until I press a button signaling the sequencer > to continue on? > Can I assign buttons to sections of a sequenced song and move > between them > dynamically in quantized (waits until the end of the bar after the > keypress), and unquantized (jumps immediately at keypress) ways? The only "groovebox" I know personally and all which I've heard about use a pattern sequencer only. This means there isn't any linear sequence. Otherwise, you can normally assign certain patterns to buttons and use them to jump either at the end of the bar or in a semiquantized way with the next least common denominator (like a 16th) to the next pattern. Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 8 04:06:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2893AX25117; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 04:03:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 04:03:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Non-linear sequencer (possible groovebox alternative)... Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 10:02:47 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000501c2e551$7d5a0b40$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <001501c2e555$9a94d060$a538fc0c@amd> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h2892oM25075 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Från: Jesse Ray Lucas > I suggested implementing the > ability to move between sections of a song by mapping keys on > the keyboard, or MIDI notes to each section and having a flag > for whether that section was to loop indefinitely, move on, > jump in a quantized way, or an unquantized way, etc. etc. He > may implement that stuff, or may not. It doesn't really fit > in with his design purpose. > > I would be interested in learning about any other sequencer, > hardware or software, out there that provides for such > non-linear sequence manipulation. Very interesting post about MIDI Maestro :-) It came to my mind that "non-linear sequence manipulation" is also easily done in Logic, a software I happen to be quite at home with. The feature is called "Touch Tracks" and will let you arrange midi patterns/parts/regions (or recorded audio) into virtual "touch buttons". Each such "button" can be assigned to a midi note and thus controlled ("fired off") from a midi keyboard, midi guitar or whatever controlling device you prefer. You can also set a quantize value for trigging the blocks. Let's say you are using one bar as trigging quantize value, then the new sequence will start playing back on the next bar after you pressed the assigned midi note. Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com --> 1st Swedish Looping Festival From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 8 04:07:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2893h325336; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 04:03:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 04:03:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Robert van der Kamp Reply-To: robnet@wxs.nl To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Lexicon MPX G2 stupid clock Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 10:03:16 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200303081003.16399.robnet@wxs.nl> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday 05 March 2003 06:52, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > Just to clarify, and apologies to all who misunderstood: > I am waiting for the upgrade ROM, being shipped from > Lexicon, before I truly throw in the towel on this unit-- I must have missed that. There's a ROM update available for the MPX-G2? Wow... - Robert From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 8 04:12:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h289BwE25857; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 04:11:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 04:11:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1047114702.3e69b3ce6596d@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 04:11:42 -0500 From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Non-linear sequencer (possible groovebox alternative)... References: <20030308071056.49372.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> <001501c2e555$9a94d060$a538fc0c@amd> In-Reply-To: <001501c2e555$9a94d060$a538fc0c@amd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.177.160 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting Jesse Ray Lucas : > actually intended to be used for musicals, which as anyone knows who has > ever played in a pit orchestra, have a lot of "vamp" sections where the > musicians just loop four bars or whatever, waiting for the actors to move "Mixer scenes" are in the pipe for Numerology, with transitions synced to the bar, beat, or free. a mixer scene would be a pattern for each voice and all of the volume and mute settings for each group. btw, we're ready to sell now: www.five12.com. i would say more but i don't want to sound too much like a flagrant sales pitch, but this thing has totally squelched any desire i had for more electribe-type devices. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 8 04:12:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h289CBQ25861; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 04:12:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 04:12:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Robert van der Kamp Reply-To: robnet@wxs.nl To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Lexicon MPX G2 stupid clock Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 10:11:32 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200303081011.32542.robnet@wxs.nl> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday 05 March 2003 06:52, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > Just to clarify, and apologies to all who misunderstood: > I am waiting for the upgrade ROM, being shipped from > Lexicon, before I truly throw in the towel on this unit-- One more question... what's in the upgrade? Couldn't find any specifics on the Lex site. Thanks, Robert From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 8 04:23:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h289MYR26328; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 04:22:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 04:22:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c2e55c$91f10940$a538fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <20030308071056.49372.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> <000d01c2e553$97970ba0$a538fc0c@amd> Subject: EDP only looping one time question... Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 02:22:06 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's a weird behavior that I have to solve before I can make the EDP work for me. It didn't do this with LoopIII... I have the MIDI out of my sequencer (Sonar) going into the MIDI in on the EDP so it can receive clock. EDP is set to receive/transmit on MIDI channel 16. There is no track sending anything on channel 16 in Sonar. Sonar is set to send MIDI clock, but it does the following whether it's sending clock or not: For some reason the EDP, when I record a loop, will only play it back once when I stop recording. Then it sits silently ticking along with the MIDI clock. It's not going into Mute mode, because pressing Mute on the foot controller doesn't bring the sound back. Nothing will get the loop to play again, but the cycle counter keeps ticking along like it's playing the loop that I recorded. 1. When I start the sequencer the lights on the EDP change to: Record = green, Overdub = Orange, Undo = Orange. Multiply/Ins-Rev/Mute/Nextloop are unlit. 2. While the loop is playing back for its first and only time, the lights for Record/Overdub/Multiply/Ins-Rev/Mute are all green, Undo is off, and Nextloop is orange. When the loop finishes its one repetition and goes silent the Undo light comes on green, and Nextloop remains orange. Any ideas on this one? It works fine when I unplug the MIDI cables from the back of the EDP. Is there some kind of mode that the EDP runs in where it only plays back a loop once? Is there some MIDI clock signal that would cause the EDP to go into this mode? Sonar shouldn't be sending anything other than clock to the EDP (I tried changing the MIDI receive channel, to no avail). Thanks, in advance, EDP gurus. -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 8 05:14:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h28AEAG30066; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 05:14:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 05:14:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030308101333.95474.qmail@web40505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 02:13:33 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Korg A2 Rack Fx processor for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5SzeXD.A.XVH.TJca-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I have a korg A2 for sale if anyone is interested for 200.00dlls great box used by a lot of the big guys! mail me privately please cheers L.a ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 8 10:54:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h28FqBX25128; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 10:52:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 10:52:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 07:45:38 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: finally a MIDI looper? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:25 AM -0300 3/8/03, Matthias Grob wrote: >>http://www.phoniclab.ca/mloop.htm Being a Mac user I can't check this out, but it looks a bit like something I did in Max a few years ago. My "Loop Player" was distributed with Max at one point. It's pretty simple, but might give other Maxers some ideas for a fuller implementation. The basis of Loop Player is a table into which one can draw note data. Tempo, note duration, velocity, loop boundaries, and loop direction can all be performed. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 8 11:40:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h28GbZe31071; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 11:37:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 11:37:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: finally a MIDI looper? Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 08:37:01 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com !!!! I received a reply from Stephen at Phonic Lab which leads me to believe that this product will not solve my problem(s) whatever it/they may be. However, I feel that this product will probably be of interest to others on this list, so look for it to be available soon (whenever that is). Ciao, Gary ____________________________________________________________________________ ____________________________ Thank you for your interest, It is appreciated. So many things to do, so little time. But I haven't given up on a release, soon. 1) Sends MIDI clock? Yes, it sends and receives MIDI clock. 2) Clock is based on loop size? Not exactly. But if you change the BPM, the loop stretches to match. Remember it's all MIDI, so stretching is not a big deal. 3) Set loop points on the fly? No. Basically we're talking about a quantized grid of MIDI data. I suppose it might be interesting to add a feature where you can nudge the entire pattern left or right in time, and change the size (without stretching). 4) Toggle in and out of record? Yes, you can do that with MIDI or from the UI 5) Runs on PC Platform? Yes. So not sure if it will solve your problems. You sort of have to determine the BPM, but then you can change it on the fly with a MIDI CC. I suppose what you want is to record a bunch of stuff, then fool with the loop points after the fact. That's pretty tricky with m-loop. But even if it doesn't work for you, feel free to send me a description of exactly what you envision being the perfect program for you. Ya never know, I might learn something :-) Cheers -----Original Message----- From: Clayton Lehmann [mailto:healthquestrecruiter@earthlink.net] Sent: March 7, 2003 11:04 PM To: info@phoniclab.ca Subject: M-Loop I want my M-loop . . . And so does Matthias Grob. Sincerely, Gary ___________________________________________________________________________ I replied: Comments on the site would lead one to believe there was a version of M-loop out previously--has anyone used it? My synth guitar (Starr Labs Ztar) has a MIDI looper in the new OS--but you can't set tempo by loop size--but it does work! Harvey Starr asked me how the Echoplex determines clock speed based on loop size--I'm afraid I couldn't quite tell him-- He has a fellow helping him write code--all he needs is more customers 8^) Is there a drum machine that lets you determine loop size on the fly? Gary Matthias Grob was curious: hey Gary! did we talk about this soft before? could not find in the archive... And you mentioned it at the end of a post with a totally different subject, so the MIDI cracks may not have seen it? I was waiting for a long time that somebody would do that. Unfortunately I am not quite in the situation to test it. It looks like its not available right now. And it seems not to simulate FeedBack... But still: >and master clock--but there is also this >http://www.phoniclab.ca/mloop.htm >which might solve my problem in the future . . . >Is the author of this program on this list? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 8 12:27:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h28HQKx04717; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 12:26:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 12:26:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2003 09:25:45 -0800 Subject: Re: finally a MIDI looper? From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So it doesn't sound like M-loop can do this, but someone building the ultimate MIDI looper could take advantage of one thing that's hard to do in audio: You can watch for repetition by the player. With an audio looper, you basically have to rely on presses of the record button to set the loop length possibly with some minor algorithmic tweaking. With a MIDI looper, you can watch note values for repetitions which should allow one to better find the right loop length. You might still want a record button to provide a general sense of the length, but it would be really cool if there was something that would watch the MIDI stream from playing a phrase a few times and then pick up where the player left off. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 8 12:29:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h28HRg004907; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 12:27:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 12:27:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Ray9356@aol.com Message-ID: <31.3542b66f.2b9b81f4@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 12:27:16 EST Subject: Re: Groovebox question... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_31.3542b66f.2b9b81f4_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10641 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_31.3542b66f.2b9b81f4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the roland d2 lets you mix parts form different patterns in "megamix"mode --part1_31.3542b66f.2b9b81f4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

the roland d2 lets you mix parts form different patterns in "megamix"mode --part1_31.3542b66f.2b9b81f4_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 8 12:32:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h28HUij05347; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 12:30:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 12:30:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2003 09:30:29 -0800 Subject: Re: Info on Hughes & Kettner Replex From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030308065536.67833.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 3/7/03 10:55 PM, S V G at vsyevolod@yahoo.com wrote: > Ever since I got this little box, I can't play my acoustic unplugged > anymore. It warms up > the sound of the guitar so much that I always keep it on. Even without any > reverb or delay it > still makes the guitar sound better. Any samples on line that show what it can do? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 8 13:11:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h28IBGU10525; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 13:11:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 13:11:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <20030308071056.49372.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> <000d01c2e553$97970ba0$a538fc0c@amd> <001b01c2e55c$91f10940$a538fc0c@amd> Subject: Re: EDP only looping one time question... Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 10:10:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Mar 2003 18:10:43.0923 (UTC) FILETIME=[090CEA30:01C2E59E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Here's a weird behavior that I have to solve before I can make the EDP work > for me. It didn't do this with LoopIII... maybe this is way too easy, but if your feedback is set to 0, that would do what you describe... Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 8 13:59:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h28IthP14732; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 13:55:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 13:55:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Dave Hastings" To: Subject: RE: EDP only looping one time question... Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 11:00:05 -0800 Message-ID: <003001c2e5a4$ee0fb800$420ed63f@hmv5n> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <001b01c2e55c$91f10940$a538fc0c@amd> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > For some reason the EDP, when I record a loop, will only play it back once > when I stop recording. Did you turn off 'Zero Controllers When Play Stops' in Sonar? It's on the Options.Project Midi tab. If not, I'd guess that one of the controllers Sonar zeros controls feedback. If you grab a copy of midiox http://www.midiox.com, you can check and see exactly what Sonar is sending, and on what channels, as well as filtering stuff out if you want. -daveh -------------- Dave Hastings dhastings@earthlink.net "The trouble with music appreciation in general is that people are taught to have too much respect for music; they should be taught to love it instead." - Igor Stravinsky From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 8 14:18:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h28JHfi18390; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 14:17:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 14:17:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: To: Subject: RE: finally a MIDI looper? Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 14:17:35 -0500 Message-ID: <000101c2e5a7$60dd2500$6401a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, http://www.phoniclab.ca/mloop.htm, looks pretty cool! The UI looks quite nice! Being Mac-less, I'm also Max-less. One of these days, though, I'm gonna buy me a Mac! I've really wanted to play around with Max for quite some time. The Looper Construction Kit supports MIDI looping as a consequence of the "signal unity principle" of Kyma. (That's my own term.) In Kyma, all signals, regardles of their nature, are represented as a 24-bit fractional integer ranging from -1.0 to 1.0 (approximately). Thus you can easily change MIDI events into a normalized signal. One of the LCK examples encodes MIDI note-on/-off events (including the velocity) into a 24-bit number. From that point, looping MIDI is no different than looping audio. This "signal unity principle" has positive and negative consequences. On the positive side, all the signal processing do-dads are available for a MIDI encoded signal. Since Kyma has *a lot* of ways to twist signals, this amounts to *a lot* of ways to twist MIDI. Of course, many may not make much sense, but many do. From the LCK perspective, you can as easily save/restore to disk, insert, undo, and redo MIDI loops as any other loop. On the negative side, the "signal unity principle" makes dealing with MIDI-specific attributes more difficult. For example, we think of a MIDI note-on and it's associated note-off event as comprising one item or entity rather than two events. So when we move a MIDI note-on event from one track to another, we typically think of moving the note-off event as well. Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com -----Original Message----- From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 10:46 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: finally a MIDI looper? At 3:25 AM -0300 3/8/03, Matthias Grob wrote: >>http://www.phoniclab.ca/mloop.htm Being a Mac user I can't check this out, but it looks a bit like something I did in Max a few years ago. My "Loop Player" was distributed with Max at one point. It's pretty simple, but might give other Maxers some ideas for a fuller implementation. The basis of Loop Player is a table into which one can draw note data. Tempo, note duration, velocity, loop boundaries, and loop direction can all be performed. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 8 14:37:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h28Jb8s20133; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 14:37:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 14:37:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2003 11:31:55 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Tubes! They do a ____ good! (was Re: Info on Hughes & Kettner Replex In-reply-to: <20030308065536.67833.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <9F5CC462-519C-11D7-974A-0003934CD2FA@zerocrossing.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've also noticed that almost *all* my favorite guitar gear has real tubes it it. I've been toying around with the idea of getting an inexpensive ART tube preamp for a while, mainly to warm up synths and drum machines. While I'm loving my new Lexicon MPX G2, I do admit that while usable, the "preamp/speaker cab models" do sound a bit cold. There are also a bunch of tube distortion pedals I've been looking at as well. I'd love to hear about the experiences of other loopers on this topic. Mark Sottilaro On Friday, March 7, 2003, at 10:55 PM, S V G wrote: > You can > also slightly overdrive the tube to get a soft distortion sound though > that's not what it's there > for. > > Ever since I got this little box, I can't play my acoustic > unplugged anymore. It warms up > the sound of the guitar so much that I always keep it on. Even without > any reverb or delay it > still makes the guitar sound better. > > They go for $450 new, I picked mine up for $325. Money very well > spent. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 8 14:46:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h28JjPN21179; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 14:45:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 14:45:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000101c2e5a7$60dd2500$6401a8c0@mdbs.com> References: <000101c2e5a7$60dd2500$6401a8c0@mdbs.com> Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 11:44:24 -0800 To: , From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: finally a MIDI looper? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:17 PM -0500 3/8/03, wrote: >Being Mac-less, I'm also Max-less. One of these days, though, I'm gonna buy >me a Mac! I've really wanted to play around with Max for quite some time. You could try out pd or jMax. http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html http://www.hanappe.org/jmax.html http://www.ircam.fr/equipes/temps-reel/jmax/en/index.php3 >...we think of a MIDI note-on and it's associated note-off event as >comprising one item or entity rather than two events. So when we >move a MIDI note-on event from one track to another, we typically >think of moving the note-off event as well. That may be true when working with a sequencer, but when programming MIDI processor you do have to face the deeper reality. This applies to Max or any other programming environment. For example, I once made a small patch called "hocketizer" that would take a stream of MIDI notes and distribute them to several different MIDI channels to create hocketed parts on a multitimbral synthesizer. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 8 17:16:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h28MFav06658; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 17:15:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 17:15:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2003 14:13:39 -0800 Subject: Re: Tubes! They do a ____ good! From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9F5CC462-519C-11D7-974A-0003934CD2FA@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ~tubes~ where to start... i have a hard time talking about this w/out sounding like i'm dissin guitarists who dont use them...and i'm not! if one is a tone person tubes cannot be denied as being the endall for enhancing a guitar signal. i've always been tube nutz! every piece of digital equipment i have is pre'ed and post'ed w/ tubes...that ART tube pre you are talkin about mark is an excellent way to tube up yer signal.from tube tape recorders to tube reverbs to little two tube guitar amps,i gottum... quote of howard dumble, boutique amp maker to the stars: "tubes...(comparing to ss)-the difference comes down to this: the more fragile harmonics can survive in a vacuum tube; where they seem to be eliminated or squashed in a solid state crystal lattice. maybe it just comes down to that. the physics of it: electrons can survive in a free-space vacuum where they have trouble in a crystal lattice-the best and simplist i can put it."(remember, he is talkin to guitar players :-) to me they are living,breathing things that keep me thinking organically and holistically when i am plugged in. companies who push this modeler or that emulator screaming that they"sound" just like tubes-well, maybe they do once in a while, but they NEVER feel like tubes when yer playin... the push/pull, the particular way a tube will envelope the signal and to me it just seems like the tubes are talkin to each other down the line of the signal chain. oh yeah i like signals in series too-thats another tale... but thats my story and i'm stickin to it. goinloopee stanitarium > I've also noticed that almost *all* my favorite guitar gear has real > tubes it it. I've been toying around with the idea of getting an > inexpensive ART tube preamp for a while, mainly to warm up synths and > drum machines. While I'm loving my new Lexicon MPX G2, I do admit that > while usable, the "preamp/speaker cab models" do sound a bit cold. > There are also a bunch of tube distortion pedals I've been looking at as > well. I'd love to hear about the experiences of other loopers on this > topic. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Friday, March 7, 2003, at 10:55 PM, S V G wrote: >> You can >> also slightly overdrive the tube to get a soft distortion sound though >> that's not what it's there >> for. >> >> Ever since I got this little box, I can't play my acoustic >> unplugged anymore. It warms up >> the sound of the guitar so much that I always keep it on. Even without >> any reverb or delay it >> still makes the guitar sound better. >> >> They go for $450 new, I picked mine up for $325. Money very well >> spent. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 8 18:02:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h28N2A912917; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 18:02:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 18:02:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c2e5c6$c2cb8bc0$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <6b.bf098ca.2b9bb258@aol.com> Subject: Re: My first review!!! Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 16:02:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C2E58C.15AC7100" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C2E58C.15AC7100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable very cool! is that you, gregory bruce campbell? nice axe! sweet. i live in denver too. there is an open jam stage tonight at music = gear guys on 44th and garrison. 6 to midnight. come down if you can and = play some! peace and thanks, jimmy george http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Looping9string@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 1:53 PM Subject: My first review!!! My first review!!! Go to this URL: http://www.bassically.net/news_reviews.htm#reviews and then scroll to the bottom... ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C2E58C.15AC7100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
very cool! is that you, gregory bruce = campbell?=20 nice axe!
 
sweet. i live in denver too. there is = an open jam=20 stage tonight at music gear guys on 44th and garrison. 6 to midnight. = come down=20 if you can and play some!
 
peace and thanks,
jimmy george
http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com
 
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My first review!!!

Go to this = URL:

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and=20 then scroll to the bottom... ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C2E58C.15AC7100-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 8 18:52:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h28Npex16864; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 18:51:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 18:51:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Tubes! They do a guitar good! Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 15:50:53 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <3vU1iD.A.HGE.lHoa-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stanner's words ring true for this digitally modelled guy! BTW, the Lexicon G2 is too old for models--it's old technology--but it prolly sounds good. I haven't really done anything with it except try to get it to send stinking MIDI clock reliably. One of its main features is being able to put effects into a guitar amp regardless of whether the amp has an effects loop or not. I should investigate . . . instead of cluttering Kim's information site with daily prattle. I've got a bunch of tube amps--in the storage unit!! For years I sought an effective (no pun intended--after all, we are talking about dry signal, really) way to go direct with electric guitar, and now there's loads of options--but Surf Daddy is right, nothing seems to feel (that is, respond in a physical manner) like a tube amp. Maybe volume has something to do with it . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 8 19:46:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h290hiw22396; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 19:43:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 19:43:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030308162641.02941e90@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2003 18:42:01 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: Tubes! They do a ____ good! In-Reply-To: <9F5CC462-519C-11D7-974A-0003934CD2FA@zerocrossing.net> References: <20030308065536.67833.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:31 AM 3/8/2003 -0800, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >There are also a bunch of tube distortion pedals I've been looking at as >well. I'd love to hear about the experiences of other loopers on this topic. Even though I've been a big advocate of tube technology for a long time, I haven't actually bought a piece of tube gear in years. However, since we're on the subject let me share a little tip I picked up. Back in the 80's, I was using a little solid-state Galien-Krueger portable as the amp head for my bass rig. The setup gave me great results (still does, BTW) but the one sound I consistently missed was that crunchy tone you get out of an overdriven tube amp like a vintage Ampeg. This was about the time that tube distortion boxes were starting to come onto the market, so I picked up a Chandler Tube Driver hoping to add some nice, deep grunge to my palette. Unfortunately, after putting the Tube Driver into my effects loop, I found that it was far better suited to fuzztone than subtle warmth & crunch. If I turned the overdrive knob past '1' I just ended up with bumblebees. I was on the verge of returning the little bugger when I tripped over a trick that helped a great deal. Most tube distortion pedals are built around the 12AX7A tube. This tube saturates quickly so it works well for overdrive, but it was overkill for my purposes. Instead, I opened up the box and swapped out the 12AX7A for a 12AU7A, which I was able to find for a few bucks down at my local TV repair. The AU doesn't overdrive as easily as the AX, so it was far better suited for adding warmth, rather than bumblebees. Once I'd done that, I found that I had much greater control of the coloration: I could now set the 'overdrive' knob across its entire range and still get usable tones. So, if you're having trouble with your tube preamp adding more distortion than you need, consider changing the tube for a different (compatible) model. (Okay, obligatory rundown of the tube gear I've owned, with one-liners: Chandler Tube Driver -- in the end, too noisy for studio work. ADA MP-1 -- always got the impression that there were good sounds in there someplace, but tried for a year and could never pull anything out that really impressed me. Korg A3 -- multi-effects w/ tube distortion that sounds great on guitar, bass, or synths; it's currently dedicated to my Oberheim Matrix 1000 and together they're just massive.) -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 8 19:48:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h290j1A22494; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 19:45:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 19:45:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <21.2ca336b8.2b9be86b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 19:44:27 EST Subject: loopstock 2003 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hans.....hows the bill shaping up?.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 8 19:58:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h290qbS23095; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 19:52:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 19:52:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Looping9string@aol.com Message-ID: <156.1cd2b771.2b9bea2e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 19:51:58 EST Subject: Re: My first review!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_156.1cd2b771.2b9bea2e_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 230 Resent-Message-ID: <_z9fXC.A.YoF.5Apa-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_156.1cd2b771.2b9bea2e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/8/2003 4:04:31 PM Mountain Standard Time, jg@jimmygeorgeband.com writes: > very cool! is that you, gregory bruce campbell? nice axe! > > sweet. i live in denver too. there is an open jam stage tonight at music > gear guys on 44th and garrison. 6 to midnight. come down if you can and > play some! > > peace and thanks, > jimmy george > http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com > I would love that, but i am based in Montana, i was only visiting denver for the Guitar X grand opening... --part1_156.1cd2b771.2b9bea2e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 3/8/2003 4:04:31 PM Mountain Standa= rd Time, jg@jimmygeorgeband.com writes:

very cool! is that you, gregory= bruce campbell? nice axe!  
sweet. i live in denver too.= there is an open jam stage tonight at music gear guys on 44th and garrison.= 6 to midnight. come down if you can and play some!
 
peace and thanks,
jimmy george
http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com


I would love that, but i am based in Montana, i was only visiting denver for= the Guitar X grand opening... --part1_156.1cd2b771.2b9bea2e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 8 20:37:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h291b3O28847; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 20:37:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 20:37:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030309013645.47953.qmail@web80215.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 17:36:45 -0800 (PST) From: Kirkland Mack Subject: RE: Tubes! They do a guitar good! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-259994435-1047173805=:45725" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-259994435-1047173805=:45725 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey, I was just wondering how this works. Is it something new and proprietary, or do you just mean that it works well in front of the amp? Thanks. - Kirkland Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote:One of its main features is being able to put effects into a guitar amp regardless of whether the amp has an effects loop or not. --0-259994435-1047173805=:45725 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Hey, I was just wondering how this works. Is it something new and proprietary, or do you just mean that it works well in front of the amp? Thanks. - Kirkland

 Clayton Gary Lehmann <healthquestrecruiter@earthlink.net> wrote:

One of its main features is being able to put effects
into a guitar amp regardless of whether the amp has an effects loop or not.


--0-259994435-1047173805=:45725-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 8 21:32:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h292Tiu02125; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 21:29:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 21:29:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003201c2e5ec$0db0ac40$a538fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: Subject: Re: Tubes! They do a ____ good! Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 19:29:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > companies who push this modeler or that > emulator screaming that they"sound" just like tubes-well, maybe they do once > in a while, but they NEVER feel like tubes when yer playin... You're right. Carting in a 90 lb., 300-watt, vintage Ampeg SVT-II to a gig sure is a different feeling from carrying in a 13 lb., 400-watt Eden Traveler head. I'm on the tube path now, but I'm seriously considering moving back to solid state for space/weight/maintainability reasons. I'm no slouch, but the idea of carrying in an amp slung over my shoulder is enticing. I have heard several guys come through town on tour using those Traveler heads and they sound great for the size venues I'm playing in right now. When I bought my SVT I had a four hour discussion with a 25 year veteran amp tech about tube amps and learned a lot of interesting things. 1. Tubes are only made in two places in the world right now: China, and Russia. The chemicals/processes involved in making tubes are too toxic/dangerous to be done here. Places like "Groovetubes" are a repackager/reseller. They buy the Russian and Chinese tubes, test them, and stamp their logo on them. 2. Chinese tubes are the worst. Russians are better, but still not as good as almost any of the tubes made here in the U.S. before we switched everything to solid state. 3. The best tubes are GE (General Electric) tubes, which you can still find, but they go for a premium because they are a finite resource as they have been out of production for years. 4. To replace all the glass in my SVT -- which, ideally, you're supposed to do once a year -- would cost me upwards of $300. Albeit, the SVT is a particularly tubey amp -- 12 preamp tubes (12AX7s, 12AU7s), and six power tubes (6550s). 5. I read several very technical discussions of tube vs. solid state on the web that boiled it down to: solid state and tube amps are basically the same until you begin to push them into overdrive. Tube saturation and solid state farting are two totally different things. Seeing as I'm usually going for a clean sound, and not usually turned up past 3 on the SVT, I'm starting to wonder about the necessity of it. 6. Some reviews seemed to say that you would get all the benefit from having a tube amp, by simply putting one 12AX7 in the preamp of your amplification system. Others claimed that 12AX7s are a joke as far as adding "tube warmth." This is what this amp tech told me, and what I found by reading on the web. He seemed to be pretty knowledgeable regarding such topics as he was constantly working on amps. But I'm sure, like anyone, he was filtering his knowledge through his own personal biases and preferences about tubes, and ideas about "good" guitar tone. One day, when Linux gets a good audio distribution and commercial software support we will just drag our rack-mounted computers (by then, they will be in 1U chassis or smaller) out to gigs with us, plug our basses into them, and run through the Echoplex Digital Pro plugin, into the SVT-II plugin, into the Ampeg 8x10 plugin, and into the board. It's coming, I tell you. Mark my words. -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 8 22:07:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2934GR05758; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 22:04:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 22:04:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 21:04:02 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: Tubes! They do a ____ good! From: Dion Stewart To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com An interesting perspective: http://www.dreamsongs.com/Tubes.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 8 22:10:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2937I705985; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 22:07:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 22:07:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004e01c2e5f1$536ac360$a538fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <003001c2e5a4$ee0fb800$420ed63f@hmv5n> Subject: Re: EDP only looping one time question... Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 20:06:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Doh! Sure enough. Zero Controllers must have been on. I thought I turned it off! Thanks for the tip. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Hastings" To: Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:00 AM Subject: RE: EDP only looping one time question... > > For some reason the EDP, when I record a loop, will only play it back once > > when I stop recording. > > Did you turn off 'Zero Controllers When Play Stops' in Sonar? It's on the > Options.Project Midi tab. If not, I'd guess that one of the controllers > Sonar zeros controls feedback. > > If you grab a copy of midiox http://www.midiox.com, you can check and see > exactly what Sonar is sending, and on what channels, as well as filtering > stuff out if you want. > > -daveh From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 8 22:10:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2938jK06150; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 22:08:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 22:08:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 19:08:16 -0800 Subject: Re: Tubes! They do a ____ good! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <5F63154E-51DC-11D7-8002-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's a beautiful poetic verse about tube amplification, but I can't begin to say what a load that is! Ha! (all pun intended) The way a tube amp reacts to the varying load of a speaker is more of a dynamic filter than anything. That warmth is the sound of harsh harmonics being taken away, not puppy fairy harmonic love love birds flying gracefully through your guitar amp. Needless to say, they do indeed sound very nice. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, March 8, 2003, at 02:13 PM, wrote: > quote of howard dumble, boutique amp maker to the stars: > "tubes...(comparing to ss)-the difference comes down to this: the more > fragile harmonics can survive in a vacuum tube; where they seem to be > eliminated or squashed in a solid state crystal lattice. maybe it just > comes > down to that. the physics of it: electrons can survive in a free-space > vacuum where they have trouble in a crystal lattice-the best and > simplist i > can put it."(remember, he is talkin to guitar players :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 8 22:26:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h293Q5p07383; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 22:26:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 22:26:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 19:25:49 -0800 Subject: Re: Tubes! They do a guitar good! Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7-153672926 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030309013645.47953.qmail@web80215.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-7-153672926 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed It's just that it's set up to go effect only into a guitar amp, or line=20= level effect only in a effect loop, or it has it's own pre-amp models=20 so you can record direct. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, March 8, 2003, at 05:36 PM, Kirkland Mack wrote: > Hey, I was just wondering how this works. Is it something new and=20 > proprietary, or do you just mean that it works well=A0in front of the=20= > amp? Thanks. - Kirkland > > =A0Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > > One of its main features is being able to put effects > into a guitar amp regardless of whether the amp has an effects loop or=20= > not. > > --Apple-Mail-7-153672926 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 It's just that it's set up to go effect only into a guitar amp, or line level effect only in a effect loop, or it has it's own pre-amp models so you can record direct. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, March 8, 2003, at 05:36 PM, Kirkland Mack wrote: Hey, I was just wondering how this works. Is it something new and proprietary, or do you just mean that it works well=A0in front of the amp? Thanks. - Kirkland =A0Clayton Gary Lehmann < wrote: One of its main features is being able to put effects into a guitar amp regardless of whether the amp has an effects loop or not. = --Apple-Mail-7-153672926-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 8 22:37:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h293b8M08227; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 22:37:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 22:37:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e601c2e5ba$d0e60b10$08f49840@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <003201c2e5ec$0db0ac40$a538fc0c@amd> Subject: Re: Tubes! They do a ____ good! Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 21:36:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i have two tubes in my entire rack...everything else is either digital or solidstate and i plan on keeping it that way. maybe i'm just odd, but i actually prefer the fidelity of digital/solidstate. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 8 22:50:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h293oCE09266; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 22:50:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 22:50:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 19:49:47 -0800 Subject: Re: Tubes! They do a ____ good! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <003201c2e5ec$0db0ac40$a538fc0c@amd> Message-Id: <2C5FE51A-51E2-11D7-8002-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Heh, my band got our bass playing to switch to a tube preamp (ART SGX2000 Nightbass) and transistor power-amp when we got together and told him we'd never help him move his SVT rig (enclosed in flight cases no less) again. We'd be playing bars that sat 100 people and he'd have two cabs with 8 ten's in them. That's just wrong. Once I turned his amp all the way down and he never noticed. His feed into my monitor was plenty for all of us. Mark On Saturday, March 8, 2003, at 07:29 PM, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: >> companies who push this modeler or that >> emulator screaming that they"sound" just like tubes-well, maybe they >> do > once >> in a while, but they NEVER feel like tubes when yer playin... > > You're right. Carting in a 90 lb., 300-watt, vintage Ampeg SVT-II to > a gig > sure is a different feeling from carrying in a 13 lb., 400-watt Eden > Traveler head. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 8 23:09:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2947XL12177; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 23:07:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 23:07:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Tubes! They do a ____ good! Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 23:06:50 -0500 Message-ID: <000701c2e5f1$4f950340$542f04d1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <00e601c2e5ba$d0e60b10$08f49840@g0wn7> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually, my rack has no tubes at all, and I like it that way (I use a J Station). Preamp tubes, which are used in fx pedals and the ART Mic pre, sound kinda fizzy to me. For any tube sounds, it is the power tubes, with their high voltages which have that magic tone that everybody wants. I got a Mesa w/6v6's for that. My EDP, with all its digital-ness, is just perfect for me. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > i have two tubes in my entire rack...everything else is > either digital or solidstate and i plan on keeping it that > way. maybe i'm just odd, but i actually prefer the fidelity > of digital/solidstate. > > -jim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 8 23:13:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h294CVR12738; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 23:12:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 23:12:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010201c2e5bf$c1e21a50$08f49840@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <1046940151.3e6709f7cd9ec@www.suitandtieguy.com> Subject: breakbeats -- the quest for a groovebox Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 22:12:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm assuming guys like aphex twin, squarepusher, muziq, etc. are all using their computers for the beats, but are there any hardware boxes that will produce good breakbeat-style beats? that's mainly what i'm looking for: breakbeats and down-tempo r&b stuff. if only i had a titanium powerbook... -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 8 23:23:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h294KFD13628; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 23:20:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 23:20:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2003 23:19:34 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: breakbeats -- the quest for a groovebox Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed References: <1046940151.3e6709f7cd9ec@www.suitandtieguy.com> <010201c2e5bf$c1e21a50$08f49840@g0wn7> From: ernesto schnack Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <010201c2e5bf$c1e21a50$08f49840@g0wn7> User-Agent: Opera7.0/Win32 M2 build 2637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com actually most of those guys weren't using computers till fairly recently. I know squarepusher did his first few albums with a drum machine and a sampler. He used the drum machine as his sequencer. Ernesto On Sat, 8 Mar 2003 22:12:05 -0000, jimfowler wrote: > i'm assuming guys like aphex twin, squarepusher, muziq, etc. are all > using > their computers for the beats, but are there any hardware boxes that will > produce good breakbeat-style beats? that's mainly what i'm looking for: > breakbeats and down-tempo r&b stuff. > > if only i had a titanium powerbook... > > -jim > > > > -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 8 23:55:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h294jcv15698; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 23:45:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 23:45:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2003 23:46:01 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Tubes! They do a ____ good! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004701c2e5f6$c95b13e0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000701c2e5f1$4f950340$542f04d1@home> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "future perfect" > For any tube sounds, it is the power tubes, > with their high voltages which have that magic tone that everybody > wants. That's right Dave. I'm a Univalve user, power tubes are important too! But having the right preamp tubes also counts. * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 9 00:17:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h295FeW19378; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 00:15:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 00:15:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 00:16:16 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: My first review!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00f501c2e5fb$02cc7160$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Xjus+vQI1jsBv1xNKHQ7bg)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <6b.bf098ca.2b9bb258@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_Xjus+vQI1jsBv1xNKHQ7bg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Very cool. How do you tune a 9 string bass? * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db --Boundary_(ID_Xjus+vQI1jsBv1xNKHQ7bg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Very cool. How do you tune a 9 string bass?
 
 
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--Boundary_(ID_Xjus+vQI1jsBv1xNKHQ7bg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 9 02:40:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h297e5i32001; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 02:40:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 02:40:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011b01c2e5dc$b0d83380$08f49840@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <1046940151.3e6709f7cd9ec@www.suitandtieguy.com> <010201c2e5bf$c1e21a50$08f49840@g0wn7> Subject: Re: breakbeats -- the quest for a groovebox Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 01:39:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com when i saw TELEFON TEL AVIV (great band ((from new orleans of all places)) that's worth checking out, to say the least), they had three titanium macs, fender rhodes, bass, two guitars, and a handful of virtual synths. needless to say, their sound was incredible. they're definitely "electronic" but i like that all three know how to play traditional instruments very well. but anyhow, their beats were rad as hell. anybody know what hardware tom was using for his first few records? -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 9 02:53:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h297r2T00636; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 02:53:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 02:53:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008501c2e619$34582d00$a538fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <1046940151.3e6709f7cd9ec@www.suitandtieguy.com> <010201c2e5bf$c1e21a50$08f49840@g0wn7> Subject: Re: breakbeats -- the quest for a groovebox Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 00:52:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's a link to an article where the drummer from Mr. Bungle interviews Amon Tobin and gets him to shed a little light on his methods of composition/production/breakbeat destruction: http://www.neoprimitive.net/jlucas/etc/amontobin-methods.txt Incidentally, I would love to hear anything about Squarepusher or Aphex Twin's composing rigs, if anyone knows anything. -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 9 03:07:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2986sa03174; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 03:06:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 03:06:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: breakbeats -- the quest for a groovebox References: <1046940151.3e6709f7cd9ec@www.suitandtieguy.com> <010201c2e5bf$c1e21a50$08f49840@g0wn7> <011b01c2e5dc$b0d83380$08f49840@g0wn7> Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed From: ernesto schnack Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 03:06:17 -0500 In-Reply-To: <011b01c2e5dc$b0d83380$08f49840@g0wn7> User-Agent: Opera7.0/Win32 M2 build 2637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sun, 9 Mar 2003 01:39:04 -0000, jimfowler wrote: > anybody know what hardware tom was using for his first few records? > > -jim > "Tom has a bedroom studio with a DR-660 drum machine, AKAI S-950 sampler, 8 track reel-to-reel, bass guitar and instruments, occasional borrowed equipment and assorted synths -- when I spoke to him a few months back he was planning to buy a computer assoon as cash comes in" Here's the full interview: http://squarepusher.watmm.com/articles/SquarepusherThoughtsExcerp.shtml -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 9 03:08:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2987eE03241; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 03:07:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 03:07:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008401c2e613$54af58e0$642bae40@kinesys1> Reply-To: "doug @ jump/cut" From: "doug @ jump/cut" To: References: <1046940151.3e6709f7cd9ec@www.suitandtieguy.com> <010201c2e5bf$c1e21a50$08f49840@g0wn7> <011b01c2e5dc$b0d83380$08f49840@g0wn7> Subject: Re: breakbeats -- the quest for a groovebox Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 00:10:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > anybody know what hardware tom was using for his first few records? a few years ago i read he used an akai mpc-60 pretty extensively. not sure what he uses these days ... computer or hardware ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 9 03:35:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h298Uni04602; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 03:30:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 03:30:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030309083026.52036.qmail@web40501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 00:30:26 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Tubes! They do a ____ good! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004701c2e5f6$c95b13e0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What about running a digital modeling preamp through a tube amp does it make sense in terms of sound? i am still hunting for a true bypass preamp! --- David Beardsley wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "future perfect" > > > For any tube sounds, it is the power tubes, > > with their high voltages which have that magic > tone that everybody > > wants. > > That's right Dave. I'm a Univalve user, power tubes > are important too! > But having the right preamp tubes also counts. > > > * David Beardsley > * microtonal guitar > * http://biink.com/db > > > > > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 9 03:36:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h298XFE04785; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 03:33:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 03:33:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00aa01c2e61e$da27bd40$a538fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <1046940151.3e6709f7cd9ec@www.suitandtieguy.com> <010201c2e5bf$c1e21a50$08f49840@g0wn7> <008501c2e619$34582d00$a538fc0c@amd> Subject: Here's a tune for review... Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 01:32:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been communicating with Jimmy George offlist for a couple weeks and he suggested I put this tune up for review by y'all. I was hesitant, because it is not really loopy, but when I perform it live, it will be. Also, the mentions of Squarepusher, Aphex Twin and grooveboxes all (all of which are off topic -- I'm waiting for the wrath of Kim to come down on me) kind of lead to this. My tune is here: http://www.neoprimitive.net/jlucas/audio/lto/lto-endoverendremix.mp3 It is a drum 'n' bass fusion remix of this alterna-emo rock tune, by my friend's band: http://24.208.184.171/tmp/full/end%5Fover%5Fend%2Emp3 Sounds like a lot of people here are very musically tasteful and knowledgable, so I'll take anything anyone cares to dish out regarding this. I am playing fretless bass on the remix. Sincerely, Jesse From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 9 03:53:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h298oIB06045; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 03:50:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 03:50:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030309084954.54633.qmail@web80212.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 00:49:54 -0800 (PST) From: Kirkland Mack Subject: Re: Tubes! They do a ____ good! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030309083026.52036.qmail@web40501.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2084436107-1047199794=:53384" Resent-Message-ID: <_tXbhD.A.-dB.4Awa-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-2084436107-1047199794=:53384 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It is absolutely RIDICULOUS that TB preamps are not commonplace. Does anyone know of a tube power amp around 10-30 watts that has very pleasing tone when cranked? Louie Angulo wrote:What about running a digital modeling preamp through a tube amp does it make sense in terms of sound? i am still hunting for a true bypass preamp! --0-2084436107-1047199794=:53384 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

It is absolutely RIDICULOUS that TB preamps are not commonplace. Does anyone know of a tube power amp around 10-30 watts that has very pleasing tone when cranked?

 Louie Angulo <laab2000us@yahoo.com> wrote:

What about running a digital modeling preamp through a
tube amp does it make sense in terms of sound? i am
still hunting for a true bypass preamp!
--0-2084436107-1047199794=:53384-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 9 03:56:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h298rGj06240; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 03:53:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 03:53:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E6B000C.E6A7C731@ubuibi.org> Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 00:49:16 -0800 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tubes! They do a ____ good! (was Re: Info on Hughes & Kettner Replex References: <9F5CC462-519C-11D7-974A-0003934CD2FA@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9_I8lC.A.KhB.xDwa-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com musicians friend has them on sale right now Mark Sottilaro wrote: I've been toying around with the idea of getting an > inexpensive ART tube preamp for a while, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 9 04:08:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2994vi08311; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 04:04:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 04:04:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030309090423.5537.qmail@web40504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 01:04:23 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Here's a tune for review... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00aa01c2e61e$da27bd40$a538fc0c@amd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would also like to hear your review comments on my loop song "The returning" which i did entirely with a Roland guitar synth, a couple of little samples from Hendrix and muddy waters and the EDP here: http://www.labalou.com/projects1.htm under BLUEZETTE CT- LOOP PROJECT Cheers L.a ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 9 04:16:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h299FjO08813; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 04:15:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 04:15:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002801c2e61c$819fc700$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <1046940151.3e6709f7cd9ec@www.suitandtieguy.com> <010201c2e5bf$c1e21a50$08f49840@g0wn7> <008501c2e619$34582d00$a538fc0c@amd> <00aa01c2e61e$da27bd40$a538fc0c@amd> Subject: Re: Here's a tune for review... Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 02:16:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you go brotha! love your stuff jessie. great playing. looking ofrward to thursday the 13th. peace jimmy george http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jesse Ray Lucas To: Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:32 AM Subject: Here's a tune for review... > I've been communicating with Jimmy George offlist for a couple weeks and he > suggested I put this tune up for review by y'all. I was hesitant, because > it is not really loopy, but when I perform it live, it will be. Also, the > mentions of Squarepusher, Aphex Twin and grooveboxes all (all of which are > off topic -- I'm waiting for the wrath of Kim to come down on me) kind of > lead to this. > > My tune is here: > > http://www.neoprimitive.net/jlucas/audio/lto/lto-endoverendremix.mp3 > > It is a drum 'n' bass fusion remix of this alterna-emo rock tune, by my > friend's band: > > http://24.208.184.171/tmp/full/end%5Fover%5Fend%2Emp3 > > Sounds like a lot of people here are very musically tasteful and > knowledgable, so I'll take anything anyone cares to dish out regarding this. > I am playing fretless bass on the remix. > > Sincerely, > > Jesse > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 9 05:00:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h299xSJ16011; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 04:59:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 04:59:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030309030347.00aae710@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 03:03:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Groove Boxes -was- Re: Here's a tune for review... In-Reply-To: <00aa01c2e61e$da27bd40$a538fc0c@amd> References: <1046940151.3e6709f7cd9ec@www.suitandtieguy.com> <010201c2e5bf$c1e21a50$08f49840@g0wn7> <008501c2e619$34582d00$a538fc0c@amd> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Naah, Groove boxes aren't OT! -you can loop live with the sequencer in the 505, and I personally also use it to pitch repeater loops via the seq or D-Beam. I haven't tried it with the EDP yet, but plan to soon... -Have a great Sat. eve!... Smiles, CQ At 01:32 AM 3/9/03 -0800, you wrote: >I've been communicating with Jimmy George offlist for a couple weeks and he >suggested I put this tune up for review by y'all. I was hesitant, because >it is not really loopy, but when I perform it live, it will be. Also, the >mentions of Squarepusher, Aphex Twin and grooveboxes all (all of which are >off topic -- I'm waiting for the wrath of Kim to come down on me) kind of >lead to this. > >My tune is here: > >http://www.neoprimitive.net/jlucas/audio/lto/lto-endoverendremix.mp3 > >It is a drum 'n' bass fusion remix of this alterna-emo rock tune, by my >friend's band: > >http://24.208.184.171/tmp/full/end%5Fover%5Fend%2Emp3 > >Sounds like a lot of people here are very musically tasteful and >knowledgable, so I'll take anything anyone cares to dish out regarding this. >I am playing fretless bass on the remix. > >Sincerely, > >Jesse > > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 9 05:34:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h29AXKs17200; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 05:33:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 05:33:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030309113045.015bf8c0@pop.free.fr> X-Sender: waveform@pop.free.fr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 11:33:32 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: daviD Subject: RE: finally a MIDI looper? In-Reply-To: <200303090138.h291cKV29041@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:38 09/03/2003, you wrote: >Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 14:17:35 -0500 >From: >To: >Subject: RE: finally a MIDI looper? > >Being Mac-less, I'm also Max-less. One of these days, though, I'm gonna buy >me a Mac! I've really wanted to play around with Max for quite some time. No need to buy a mac. PureData and JMax are available for PC, both win and linux. PureData is the software currently developped by Miller Puckette, the creator of Max (MSP is based on PureData objects btw). JMax is another implementation of the principles of Max, it's developped by the IRCAM and it's cross platform. Both are free. And Max/MSP is being ported to windows, too, btw (but it won't be free ;). "What sounds to you like a big load of trashy old noise is in fact the brilliant music of the genius, myself" Iggy Pop From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 9 05:39:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h29AcRE17464; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 05:38:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 05:38:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030309020500.04bcf3a0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 02:38:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Here's a tune for review... In-Reply-To: <00aa01c2e61e$da27bd40$a538fc0c@amd> References: <1046940151.3e6709f7cd9ec@www.suitandtieguy.com> <010201c2e5bf$c1e21a50$08f49840@g0wn7> <008501c2e619$34582d00$a538fc0c@amd> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:32 AM 3/9/2003, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: >Also, the >mentions of Squarepusher, Aphex Twin and grooveboxes all (all of which are >off topic -- I'm waiting for the wrath of Kim to come down on me) kind of >lead to this. ? I don't think any of those things are off topic. It's not like you were droning on about tube bass amps. oh, wait, you were! >My tune is here: I liked it, definitely a squarepusher vibe with the drum programming in the first half. It certainly made the boring original tune a lot more interesting. Maybe the end goes on a bit long, but it has a nice feel. Maybe you should really be doing two mixes instead of fusing the two different ideas into one? I liked both halves, but I wanted to hear more of each. The downtempo ending gets kind of shortchanged as just an ending. Your friend's band should have you remix all their songs and put that out as their album. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 9 09:10:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h29E8IZ31612; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 09:08:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 09:08:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030309140741.53251.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 06:07:41 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Here's a tune for review... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00aa01c2e61e$da27bd40$a538fc0c@amd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great stuff jesse! keep on it L.a --- Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > I've been communicating with Jimmy George offlist > for a couple weeks and he > suggested I put this tune up for review by y'all. I > was hesitant, because > it is not really loopy, but when I perform it live, > it will be. Also, the > mentions of Squarepusher, Aphex Twin and grooveboxes > all (all of which are > off topic -- I'm waiting for the wrath of Kim to > come down on me) kind of > lead to this. > > My tune is here: > > http://www.neoprimitive.net/jlucas/audio/lto/lto-endoverendremix.mp3 > > It is a drum 'n' bass fusion remix of this > alterna-emo rock tune, by my > friend's band: > > http://24.208.184.171/tmp/full/end%5Fover%5Fend%2Emp3 > > Sounds like a lot of people here are very musically > tasteful and > knowledgable, so I'll take anything anyone cares to > dish out regarding this. > I am playing fretless bass on the remix. > > Sincerely, > > Jesse > > > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 9 11:02:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h29Fw8808112; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 10:58:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 10:58:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: New Name for a Band . . . Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 07:57:25 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030309020500.04bcf3a0@loopers-delight.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com . . . the Wrath of Kim. Ta, G -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:38 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Here's a tune for review... At 01:32 AM 3/9/2003, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: >Also, the >mentions of Squarepusher, Aphex Twin and grooveboxes all (all of which are >off topic -- I'm waiting for the wrath of Kim to come down on me) kind of >lead to this. ? I don't think any of those things are off topic. It's not like you were droning on about tube bass amps. oh, wait, you were! >My tune is here: I liked it, definitely a squarepusher vibe with the drum programming in the first half. It certainly made the boring original tune a lot more interesting. Maybe the end goes on a bit long, but it has a nice feel. Maybe you should really be doing two mixes instead of fusing the two different ideas into one? I liked both halves, but I wanted to hear more of each. The downtempo ending gets kind of shortchanged as just an ending. Your friend's band should have you remix all their songs and put that out as their album. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 9 12:16:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h29HE6D16882; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 12:14:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 12:14:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 09:13:32 -0800 Subject: Re: Tubes! They do a ____ good! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000701c2e5f1$4f950340$542f04d1@home> Message-Id: <74AFE73E-5252-11D7-8002-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For tube emulation I really like my Johnson JT50. Out of production now, I picked one up when they were blowing them out at $250. It was one of the only guitar amps I could find that had a line level stereo effect loop. If you can find one, this is a great little combo amp IMO. Mark On Saturday, March 8, 2003, at 08:06 PM, future perfect wrote: > Actually, my rack has no tubes at all, and I like it that way (I use a > J > Station) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 9 12:24:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h29HNa818401; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 12:23:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 12:23:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 09:23:11 -0800 Subject: Re: breakbeats -- the quest for a groovebox Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <011b01c2e5dc$b0d83380$08f49840@g0wn7> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't have a TiBook, but I'm not sure if I'd want to gig with one unless I had some sort of USB or Firewire sound interface. I jammed with a guy who was using one and his outputs were noisy as hell compared to mine. However, I dream of the day this (what I do musically) can all be done via a laptop. I've played with Reason and Rebirth338 and I thought they sounded good. Whenever my job requires something modern and dancey, I'm in Rebirth. Not sure how they'd stand up to the real thing, but I bet pretty good. One thing for sure, is that you're not going to get the wealth of knobs and tweakability of the modern grooveboxes. Sure, the virtual knobs are there, but manipulating them with a mouse doesn't cut it at all. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, March 8, 2003, at 05:39 PM, jimfowler wrote: > when i saw TELEFON TEL AVIV (great band ((from new orleans of all > places)) > that's worth checking out, to say the least), they had three titanium > macs, > fender rhodes, bass, two guitars, and a handful of virtual synths. > needless > to say, their sound was incredible. they're definitely "electronic" > but i > like that all three know how to play traditional instruments very well. > > but anyhow, their beats were rad as hell. > > anybody know what hardware tom was using for his first few records? > > -jim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 9 14:49:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h29JleG01004; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 14:47:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 14:47:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a201c2e674$70fcb680$9b4d4ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Subject: re: My first review.... Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 19:45:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <9kJzb.A.qO.3o5a-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greg, great news - very cool review, well done! cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 9 16:23:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h29LLvA11765; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 16:21:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 16:21:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 13:21:09 -0800 Subject: Re: Here's a tune for review... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030309140741.53251.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <0BF60890-5275-11D7-8002-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com WOW, that is really nice. Great job indeed. I keep wondering when the record companies are going to wake up and start distributing more music like this. As far as I can tell, people like Radiohead, Beck and a few others are the only ones who seem to be exploring electronica/rock fusion. Mark On Sunday, March 9, 2003, at 06:07 AM, Louie Angulo wrote: > Great stuff jesse! > keep on it > L.a > > > > --- Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: >> I've been communicating with Jimmy George offlist >> for a couple weeks and he >> suggested I put this tune up for review by y'all. I >> was hesitant, because >> it is not really loopy, but when I perform it live, >> it will be. Also, the >> mentions of Squarepusher, Aphex Twin and grooveboxes >> all (all of which are >> off topic -- I'm waiting for the wrath of Kim to >> come down on me) kind of >> lead to this. >> >> My tune is here: >> >> > http://www.neoprimitive.net/jlucas/audio/lto/lto-endoverendremix.mp3 >> >> It is a drum 'n' bass fusion remix of this >> alterna-emo rock tune, by my >> friend's band: >> >> > http://24.208.184.171/tmp/full/end%5Fover%5Fend%2Emp3 >> >> Sounds like a lot of people here are very musically >> tasteful and >> knowledgable, so I'll take anything anyone cares to >> dish out regarding this. >> I am playing fretless bass on the remix. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Jesse >> >> >> > > > ===== > www.labalou.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 9 16:36:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h29LYnM13339; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 16:34:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 16:34:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 13:32:41 -0800 Subject: UPDATE: Re: Lexicon MPX G2 stupid clock Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200303081011.32542.robnet@wxs.nl> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: <1Vr7P.A.bND.7L7a-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been in touch with their tech support and for some reason when I say, "I'm getting a clicking sound at the lop point, can you send me a new rom even if it doesn't address this bug? I get a response that says nothing about the new OS. I'm going to try calling them on Monday and see what they say on the phone. A woman I spoke to said it was as easy as calling them up with your SR#, but I didn't have it on me at the time. I guess there's a new ROM for the R1 controller as well. But more importantly, this morning I did some rewiring of my studio, fixing my previous problem with the MIDI splitter's power supply getting yanked. The result? Perfect loopage with the G2 receiving clock from a Roland MC-307. Here's how I do it: MIDI out of the 307 into a MIDIman Thru 1X4 one out into the Repeater one out into the MPX R1 foot controller. (must tell foot controller to merge clock "Clo = in") Out of MPX R1 into MPX G2 Perfect synch AND THE CLICK IS GONE! Who what where? HUH? I'm not sure what's going on, but I've been screwing around with it all morning and it seems to be fine. Guitar loops on the G2, synth loops on the Repeater. Sure, the G2 won't chase a tempo that's changing like the Repeater will, but for lite looping fun, it's not bad at all. When I get deeper into it, I'll post a review. Mark On Saturday, March 8, 2003, at 01:11 AM, Robert van der Kamp wrote: > On Wednesday 05 March 2003 06:52, Clayton Gary Lehmann > wrote: >> Just to clarify, and apologies to all who misunderstood: >> I am waiting for the upgrade ROM, being shipped from >> Lexicon, before I truly throw in the towel on this unit-- > > One more question... what's in the upgrade? Couldn't find > any specifics on the Lex site. > > Thanks, > Robert > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 9 17:46:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h29MiK120310; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 17:44:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 17:44:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Looping9string@aol.com Message-ID: <133.1c5df413.2b9d1d95@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 17:43:33 EST Subject: Re: My first review!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_133.1c5df413.2b9d1d95_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 230 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_133.1c5df413.2b9d1d95_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/8/2003 10:15:58 PM Mountain Standard Time, db@biink.com writes: > Very cool. How do you tune a 9 string bass? > I tune mine; F# B E A D G C F A# --part1_133.1c5df413.2b9d1d95_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 3/8/2003 10:15:58 PM Mountain Stand= ard Time, db@biink.com writes:

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A# --part1_133.1c5df413.2b9d1d95_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 9 18:13:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h29NBA724057; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 18:11:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 18:11:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006c01c2e50c$6bac08c0$a538fc0c@amd> References: <20030304090026.69913.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> <006d01c2e244$849b77f0$d1ccf5d1@g0wn7> <009201c2e29d$9e19a9a0$a538fc0c@amd> <006c01c2e50c$6bac08c0$a538fc0c@amd> Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 20:09:14 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: So you want an effects processor (A5000)? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Matthias- > > Yes, the A5000 is a large box (14" deep), two rack spaces high. It's >not that heavy though, compared to the size/weight ratio of the EDP. Most >of the box is empty. it is heavier than the PCM80 and 90 together, I looked that up. But thats not so important :-) and: sure, nothing as dense as an EDP :-) > You wouldn't be able to record a show on the A4/5000 because the RAM, >which is what it records into and plays out of, maxes out at 128MB (about 12 >minutes of stereo 44.1kHz, 16-bit audio). You also wouldn't be able to use >it as an effects processor and recorder, unless you were using it in mono. >And even then it would be a weird setup. in the Yamaha Sampler Handbook they say that if you set the Save parameter, it records directly to HD and I understood that thus you can record much longer. But the routing may be the problem. Could it be possible to simultaneously: - use one effect section before the EDP - the other effect section after the EDP - record at the output of one of the effect sections (either the original or the looped/effected signal) or: - use one effect section before the EDP - the other effect section after the EDP - play back a sample > > Ha ha, no realtime recording/looping either. Although, you could sample >a loop or a set of loops and put them in the A5000 and trigger them with >some kind of keyboard/foot controller, which you could then play over, but >this would require work at home beforehand. why could I not do that on stage, for example for the bass line that runs through a whole piece? >It's not a device that's >designed for live, on-the-fly usage. The A5000 does not generate sync (and >will only sync it's LFO [through which you can sync delay effects] to >external sync), however, so you would need some kind of brain (e.g. >sequencer) controlling things. *Or* you could program some kind of click >into a loop that would only go out of a specific output, and then pipe that >into the BeatSync jack on the EDP. I would set the trigger for that sample to the note the EDP emits normally at every loop end! >Possibilities for abuse are endless. > > > What the A5000 excels at is sound mangling. It does much more >than just chorus and pitch stuff. The lo-fidelity/lo-res filters, >and the >ring-modulator (TechMod) are my favorite to play with. But putting those >through rotating speaker simulators, and pitch shifters make for some really >wacky sounds, too. And when you start controlling effects parameters with >footpedals, then you're getting out there. > > I think it's a good box. It has more than one use. yes, maybe we did not discover all of them yet! please keep developping, I did not give up this idea yet! thank you Matthias > > >> fascinating suggestion, Jesse! >> I was mainly trying to reduce size and weight of my box by replacing >> the PCM80 and PCM90 by a single effect unit. >> >> With a A5000 the box would have the same hight, but become deeper and >> a little heavier but there would be a sampler... >> I dont know whether i could use one. >> >> Certainly would be interesting to record the show on its HD, but I am >> not sure whether the routing allows to use the effects and record the >> result? >> >> Could be interesting to add some basic loops... can you record >> samples nearly realtime? >> >> Certainly the effects dont match the PCMs, and there is no need for stage. >> But can you do complex things that sound pretty strange or just the >> standard chorus/pitch and such as it looks in Yamahas Sampler manual? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 9 18:14:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h29NC4i24353; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 18:12:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 18:12:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 20:09:14 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: finally a MIDI looper? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >My synth guitar (Starr Labs Ztar) has a MIDI looper in the new OS--but you >can't set tempo by loop size--but it does work! >Harvey Starr asked me how the Echoplex determines clock speed based on loop I spent months on that. Not only because I had no divide function available at decent speed on my old processor, but because the division is not acurate enough if you want no drift ever. Its necessary to compare the actually sent clocks with the ideal and add or omit one from time to time... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 9 18:16:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h29NDjH24727; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 18:13:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 18:13:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 20:13:09 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: UPDATE: Re: Lexicon MPX G2 stupid clock Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Perfect loopage with the G2 receiving clock from a Roland MC-307. great! did you try the other way round, G2 being the master for the EDP slave? (sorry to insist...) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 9 18:17:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h29NEIf25015; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 18:14:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 18:14:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001501c2e555$9a94d060$a538fc0c@amd> References: <20030308071056.49372.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> <001501c2e555$9a94d060$a538fc0c@amd> Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 20:09:24 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Non-linear sequencer (possible groovebox alternative)... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >- It sends and receives MIDI clock, so you can use an EDP with it. Not sure >what happens when you have an EDP synced and you start changing the tempo >during a sequence...haven't tried that yet. unfortunately the EDP does not handle tempo changes. I does not stop, but it looses sync. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 9 18:23:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h29NL6e25866; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 18:21:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 18:21:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 18:20:54 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: My first review!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01d701c2e692$88290ac0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <133.1c5df413.2b9d1d95@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Looping9string@aol.com In a message dated 3/8/2003 10:15:58 PM Mountain Standard Time, db@biink.com writes: >>Very cool. How do you tune a 9 string bass? > >I tune mine; > >F# >B >E >A >D >G >C >F >A# I sure hope the bottom string is F#! * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 9 18:44:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h29NgNi27904; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 18:42:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 18:42:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1047253306.3e6bd13a9f50b@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 18:41:46 -0500 From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Non-linear sequencer (possible groovebox alternative)... References: <20030308071056.49372.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> <001501c2e555$9a94d060$a538fc0c@amd> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.177.160 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting Matthias Grob : > unfortunately the EDP does not handle tempo changes. I does not stop, > but it looses sync. i've got to say that's one of my favourite features of the EDP. the most irritating thing about the Repeater is that it doesn't free-run. if it did, i wouldn't have this god awful loop-point click issue. btw, i've found that running the feedback path of the repeater outside of it makes a big difference. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 9 21:38:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2A2Ywc13346; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 21:34:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 21:34:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 18:34:11 -0800 Subject: Re: Non-linear sequencer (possible groovebox alternative)... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1047253306.3e6bd13a9f50b@www.suitandtieguy.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What does that mean? On Sunday, March 9, 2003, at 03:41 PM, Eric Williamson wrote: > > btw, i've found that running the feedback path of the repeater outside > of it > makes a big difference. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 9 21:41:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2A2YRS13282; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 21:34:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 21:34:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 18:32:21 -0800 Subject: Re: UPDATE: Re: Lexicon MPX G2 stupid clock Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <856ABEC3-52A0-11D7-8002-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No longer have an EDP to sync it to. The one I got was broken from the factory, and it seemed like a long wait until I could get a new one, so I opted to just wait until the EDP Blackface came out, and haven't done it yet. I could sync the 307 to the mpx g2 though, which is on my short list. Mark On Sunday, March 9, 2003, at 03:13 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: >> >> Perfect loopage with the G2 receiving clock from a Roland MC-307. > > great! > > did you try the other way round, G2 being the master for the EDP slave? > (sorry to insist...) > > > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 9 22:48:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2A3hUD22256; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 22:43:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 22:43:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: To: Subject: RE: finally a MIDI looper? Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 22:40:43 -0500 Message-ID: <000201c2e6b6$d4c96540$6401a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030309113045.015bf8c0@pop.free.fr> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > PureData and JMax are available for PC, both win and linux. Thanks for the suggestion. A few years ago I looked at PureData, but it looked like Max for Windows was going to be available *real soon now*. Maybe I'll just go ahead with PureData. Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 00:35:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2A5T0E01530; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 00:29:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 00:29:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <026501c2e6c5$92723820$dc62f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200303091039.h29AdvC17569@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: CHEAP SOLUTION to Breakbeat creation for Live Looping was: BREAKBEATS.................. Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 21:26:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: <2epXD.A.ET.dICb-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Viz a vis, a cheap solution to breakbeat creation for live looping: One really cool thing you can do (especially on a PC with the fabulous FRUITY LOOPS PRO which, in my humble opinion is the best drum machine in the world and just about to get way better........watch for next month's COMPUTER MUSIC magazine from the UK for a cover article covering it) is to program really cool drumbeats on a home computer and then burn them to a CD. Most mixing boards have stereo ins and it is really cheap to buy a walkman styled portable CD player these days. You can either resample the grooves onto your sampler of just play to the tracks (make sure that you have at least ten minutes per groove recorded so you don't run out during a long performance) if you are not planning to either loop or retrigger. the degree of sophistication that you can get with a program like Fruity Loops Pro is so much more vast and FAST!!!! than you can with a hardware drum machine. also, unless you have midi syncability with an EDP, a REPEATER or an old JAMPERSON you will have to rely on your own rhythmic sense for retriggering anyway. a lot of people shy away from this approach but I find it can be very effective in a live performance to use prerecorded all original drum programming on a burned CD at a fraction of the cost of either a dedicated hardware drum maching or a very expensive laptop*. Besides, with programs like Fruity Loops and the cool VST drum machines (and even REASON) you don't have to take a whole load of processing and filtering gear with you to a gig to get a sophisticated and 'breathing' drum track live. try it..............you'll like it. When I get back from my summer tour of Europe and the British Isles in August, I'll post a longer post on how to program more realistic drum computer programming (even if you are an e-bow wielding ambient guitarist who is rhythmicall challenged..........LOL!) using Fruity Loops if there is enough interest later, Rick Walker www.looppool.info *(and hey, while we are at it, why does the laptop world lag so damned far behind the desktop computer world in the musical realm? Inexpensive stereo firewire solutions for live laptop recording are non-existent so far, though there is rumour of a $400 M-Audio stereo firewire box coming out at the end of March). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 00:37:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2A5Ukn01725; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 00:30:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 00:30:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <029901c2e6c5$dc3c99a0$dc62f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT" Subject: OT: Squarepushers breakbeat rig Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 21:28:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0296_01C2E682.CDA3DB80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: <8G8nPC.A.mX.YKCb-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0296_01C2E682.CDA3DB80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ernesto Shnack wrote: ""Tom has a bedroom studio with a DR-660 drum machine, AKAI S-950 = sampler, 8=20 track reel-to-reel, bass guitar and instruments, occasional borrowed=20 equipment and assorted synths -- when I spoke to him a few months back = he=20 was planning to buy a computer assoon as cash comes in" Wow, that is so impressive. It is nice to know that someone that = creative, productive and innovative is not using the most expensive = equipment. =20 For years I used an Alesis SR16 to trigger my AKAI S-950 sampler as my drum machine..........although as a professional drummer I = would frequently just drum acoustically. I love the sound that the AKAI S-950 imparts to drums in particular. I = still have a really extensive collection of samples for that beast and = ended up using it for drums far more than my tricked out EMU ESI4000 = until I got into computer editing. rick walker ------=_NextPart_000_0296_01C2E682.CDA3DB80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ernesto Shnack wrote:
 
""Tom has a bedroom studio with a DR-660 drum machine, AKAI S-950 = sampler,=20 8
track reel-to-reel, bass guitar and instruments, occasional = borrowed=20
equipment and assorted synths -- when I spoke to him a few months = back he=20
was planning to buy a computer assoon as cash comes in"
 
Wow,  that is so impressive. It is nice to know that = someone that=20 creative, productive and innovative is not using the most expensive = equipment.
For years I used an Alesis SR16 to trigger my AKAI = S-950
sampler as my drum machine..........although as a professional = drummer I=20 would frequently just drum acoustically.
 
I love the sound that the AKAI S-950 imparts to drums in = particular. =20 I still have a really extensive collection of samples for that beast and = ended=20 up using it for drums far more than my tricked out EMU ESI4000 until I = got into=20 computer editing.
 
rick = walker
 
------=_NextPart_000_0296_01C2E682.CDA3DB80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 00:37:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2A5X2S01927; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 00:33:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 00:33:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: Tubes! They do a ____ good! From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030309084954.54633.qmail@web80212.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030309084954.54633.qmail@web80212.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 09 Mar 2003 23:33:13 -0500 Message-Id: <1047270794.2673.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sun, 2003-03-09 at 03:49, Kirkland Mack wrote: > > It is absolutely RIDICULOUS that TB preamps are not commonplace. Does anyone know of a tube power amp around 10-30 watts that has very pleasing tone when cranked? I have a pair of Trace-Elliot Velocette amps. They're 15 watt tube amps with a Celestion Vintage 30 speaker in a very portable form. Not hard to find for $200 or so on Ebay and the like. I was playing in stereo with two of them, but my current rig is mono and one is just fine. Loud enough to play with a reasonable drummer (not some metal-pounding thug), and the tone is marvelous. The clean sound peaks out about halfway up in volume - turn the volume up after that and it just gets more distorted, rather than louder (and if you get one, put it on a stand! They don't like sitting on the floor). Anyway, i love these amps. They're very portable and sound great, all the good parts of tubes. Of course, they do distort, and an open-backed 10" speaker won't have the deep bottom of a Marshall stack, but. (and they do have a 16 ohm speaker out jack...) -- -dave "...'cause she knows that it's demanding to defeat those evil machines..." -The Flaming Lips, _Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots pt. 1_ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 01:10:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2A66sh05878; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 01:06:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 01:06:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005001c2e698$587c3df0$16f79840@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <029901c2e6c5$dc3c99a0$dc62f93f@global> Subject: Re: Squarepushers breakbeat rig Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 00:02:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004D_01C2E698.56BF72C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C2E698.56BF72C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable um...actually, tom uses an EVENTIDE ORVILLE in his current rig. what = was that you were saying about "not using the most expensive..."? what the hell...everything's green!!! -jim ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C2E698.56BF72C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
um...actually, tom uses an EVENTIDE ORVILLE in his = current=20 rig.  what was that you were saying about "not using the most=20 expensive..."?
 
what the hell...everything's green!!!
 
-jim
------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C2E698.56BF72C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 01:11:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2A67pS05916; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 01:07:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 01:07:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005a01c2e698$aebffb70$16f79840@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <029901c2e6c5$dc3c99a0$dc62f93f@global> Subject: OT: elektron machinedrum -- groovebox issues Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 00:04:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0055_01C2E698.AD467AD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C2E698.AD467AD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable anybody have experience with elektron's machinedrum? apparently, it's a = pretty powerful drum machine, but that's about all i can tell...not too = many users, it seems. -jim ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C2E698.AD467AD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
anybody have experience with = elektron's=20 machinedrum?  apparently, it's a pretty powerful drum machine, but = that's=20 about all i can tell...not too many users, it seems.
 
-jim
------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C2E698.AD467AD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 01:44:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2A6Yiu07846; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 01:34:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 01:34:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003301c2e6cf$362a5d40$642bae40@kinesys1> Reply-To: "doug @ jump/cut" From: "doug @ jump/cut" To: References: <029901c2e6c5$dc3c99a0$dc62f93f@global> <005001c2e698$587c3df0$16f79840@g0wn7> Subject: Re: Squarepushers breakbeat rig Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 22:35:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From an article in ReMix (January 2002): Squarepusher's composing methods are just as rugged. "I go into a trance state when I am programming," he says. "I don't use [Emagic] Logic Audio Platinum. I hate computer editing, and I hate computer sequencing. The music I am into comes from using multitrack tape recorders and dubbing for composition. Once you've edited on tape, computer editing is a piece of shit. It is so much more of a vibe to cut up tape and line things up using your ears, not your eyes. Now I make the composition from start to finish instead of making a track and editing it afterwards." Jenkinson relies on some primitive sequencing, as well. "I do all step-time writing," he says. "I have a Yamaha sequencer, and you can edit the music in tracklists and put it all in numbers. The whole day my head is juggling numbers - it is this strange numerical mission. It's like being a psychic or a mathematician. It is not just about knowing about equipment and mathematics; it is knowing how to intuit things, to see the way things should go." http://remixmag.com/ar/remix_warp_records_brave/ ----- Original Message ----- From: jimfowler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 4:02 PM Subject: Re: Squarepushers breakbeat rig um...actually, tom uses an EVENTIDE ORVILLE in his current rig. what was that you were saying about "not using the most expensive..."? what the hell...everything's green!!! -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 02:06:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2A706k10776; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 02:00:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 02:00:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c2e6da$9c9eff80$a538fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <200303091039.h29AdvC17569@hemlock.violacea.com> <026501c2e6c5$92723820$dc62f93f@global> Subject: Re: OT: Squarepusher's breakbeat rig... Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 23:56:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Whew! It took some work, but the green is gone! Tom said in an interview that for these last two albums (Go Plastic, and Do You Know Squarepusher?) he has finally acquired state of the art gear. This is what I've been able to identify in Squarepusher's live rig so far, from this picture http://www.neoprimitive.net/jlucas/tmp/squarepusher-live.jpg: Eventide Orville Harmonizer PC1600X MIDI Controller Behringer(?) patch bay 2 DAT decks of some make If anybody can identify that piece of knobby gear under the patch bay, I'd like to know what it is. In the second rack, to his left, is just a mixer and another patch bay. If you listen to the live CD from Do You Know Squarepusher? he's just playing back the tracks off the DATs and routing one or another into the Orville and doing some wanky stuff with it. Sometimes it's cool. I like what he does to Boneville Occident; playing back the beginning part at half speed (the Orville must throw everything into a buffer as it comes in to play it back at half speed, but there's got to be a limit to how long that can go on, based on available RAM, since you would be continually piling more stuff up in the buffer, while it is draining out half as fast). Most of the time though, it's like...uh, come on, Tom, pick up the fucking bass. I'm much more interested in what his studio is built of now. Does he really have 15 multi-effects boxes, one for each track, like it sounds, or is he using plugins and automation to make it happen? Can you automate all the functions on any DX plugin? Or does the plugin have to support automation? -J ----- Original Message ----- From: jimfowler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 4:02 PM Subject: Re: Squarepushers breakbeat rig um...actually, tom uses an EVENTIDE ORVILLE in his current rig. what was that you were saying about "not using the most expensive..."? what the hell...everything's green!!! -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 02:53:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2A7mjd13724; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 02:48:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 02:48:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 23:43:36 -0800 Subject: Loop4 EXP mode: An observation From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been using EXP mode a lot. But I realized tonight why. It's my "I don't want to clutter things up with yet another footpedal" mode. There are essentially 3 broad states for loop evolution for me: 1. Overdubbing/Multiply: Here having less than 100% feedback is critical since it allows one to replace material. 2. Fading -- i.e., the only change to the loop is a fade toward silence: Feedback is the essence of this mode. 3. Holding -- i.e., keeping the loop from changing. Of these, I find that the second is the most dispensable. The first is obviously indispensable and without a way to hold the loop, I get driven into adding material more often than I'd probably like. With a footpedal, I can get all three though the third is achieved via the second with feedback at 100% -- i.e., don't forget to push the pedal down when coming out of overdub if you don't want the loop to go away. Without a footpedal, all control is via the front panel and I generally don't have a free hand to ride the control when I switch modes. So, something has to go. EXP mode without a pedal gives me feedback effects for overdubbing and multiplying but turns all non-modification operations into holding. That's not as versatile, but it's better than the alternatives. Actually I used the EDP for quite a while with Loop3 and no feedback pedal. I used it more like a DL4 and just kept the feedback cranked. Now, however, I would recommend that anyone starting looping with Loop4 and no expression pedal run in EXP mode. If you've got an expression pedal, I would probably recommend Loop mode as a starting point. (My recommendation in the latter case would be different if the roles of the footpedal and the knob were reversed in EXP mode when a footpedal was attached, but that's not what Loop4 does.) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 02:59:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2A7tMD14130; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 02:55:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 02:55:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Looping9string@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 02:52:08 EST Subject: Re: My first review!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_b8.3b836e4c.2b9d9e28_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 230 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_b8.3b836e4c.2b9d9e28_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/9/2003 4:21:15 PM Mountain Standard Time, db@biink.com writes: > I sure hope the bottom string is F#! > LOL yes, my friend Jauqo plays a C# BELOW my low F# my F# is 23 hertz... --part1_b8.3b836e4c.2b9d9e28_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 3/9/2003 4:21:15 PM Mountain Standa= rd Time, db@biink.com writes:

I sure hope the bottom string i= s F#!


LOL yes, my friend Jauqo plays a C# BELOW my low F# my F# is 23 hertz... --part1_b8.3b836e4c.2b9d9e28_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 03:18:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2A8E2s16288; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 03:14:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 03:14:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003e01c2e6e4$f568e720$a538fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <20030304090026.69913.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> <006d01c2e244$849b77f0$d1ccf5d1@g0wn7> <009201c2e29d$9e19a9a0$a538fc0c@amd> <006c01c2e50c$6bac08c0$a538fc0c@amd> Subject: Yamaha A5000 as pseudo-looper/sampler/effects processor (was Re: So you want an effects processor (A5000)?) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 01:10:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias: About direct-to-disk recording: I haven't heard anything about the recording directly to disk thing. It doesn't seem like it would make much sense, because the sampler only has 128MB of RAM to play with, so why record anything longer than that? It would take you a day and a half to send it to your computer via SCSI. But you couldn't even do that, because you can only retrieve what's in RAM on the sampler. What page of the manual does it mention this on? About this routing: > - use one effect section before the EDP > - the other effect section after the EDP > - play back a sample You have two unbalanced ins on the front of the unit, a right-in and a left-in. You can break those into two mono ins and route them to completely different places. Here's an example of what you're asking about Matthias: You could put your instrument in the Left in, run it through (for example) a chorus, delay, and flange using effects blocks 1-3, then pipe the output of Effect-3 to the Assignable Out (outputs 3 and 4), hook that into your EDP(s), then come fromt the EDP's output into the Right in on the A5000, route that to effects blocks 4-6, then route Effect-6 to the Stereo Out (outputs 1 and 2) on the back of the sampler, and to your amp/mixer. While the above is happening, the unit is still in Play mode and will behave just as a sampler would if you weren't doing anything out of the ordinary. However, since you've used up all your effects blocks (in my example I did, although, you could just use one pre and one post EDP or any combination you can make out of 6), you have nothing left to run your samples through, unless you want them going to the same outputs your EDP/instrument signal is going to. About this routing: > - use one effect section before the EDP > - the other effect section after the EDP > - record at the output of one of the effect sections (either the > original or the looped/effected signal) 2. Recording like this doesn't work, because when the A4/5000 is in Record mode it uses a special set of only three effects blocks on the signal which you set up in the Record section of the sampler. You could run your signal through these three effects and record what you did, but these three blocks do not let you assign where their output goes because, since it's in record mode, I guess they assume that you want the output to be recorded rather than aux sent to China. > >It's not a device that's > >designed for live, on-the-fly usage. The A5000 does not generate sync (and > >will only sync it's LFO [through which you can sync delay effects] to > >external sync), however, so you would need some kind of brain (e.g. > >sequencer) controlling things. *Or* you could program some kind of click > >into a loop that would only go out of a specific output, and then pipe that > >into the BeatSync jack on the EDP. > > I would set the trigger for that sample to the note the EDP emits > normally at every loop end! Yes, I suppose you could do that, too. To make it work the other way around, where the sampler follows your EDP... > > Ha ha, no realtime recording/looping either. Although, you could sample > >a loop or a set of loops and put them in the A5000 and trigger them with > >some kind of keyboard/foot controller, which you could then play over, but > >this would require work at home beforehand. > > why could I not do that on stage, for example for the bass line that > runs through a whole piece? The recording process of the A-Series samplers is too cumbersome to do this, I think. Even if you used the threshold control to automatically start recording when you started playing and stop recording when you stopped, you would still have to do some trimming to get the sample to be the right length and to not click when it loops, then you would have to define the loop points, define what kind of looping it was to do. If you tell the sample that it is a loop, and have the Audition button set to toggle mode, then it will play the sample over and over between the loop points and adjust the audio while you move them around. This will help you find the groove. If you practiced, you might get this process down under two minutes, but I don't think it would be particularly cool to watch or listen to. -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 04:00:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2A8mLg18441; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 03:48:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 03:48:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005f01c2e6e9$e9f3c270$a538fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <200303091039.h29AdvC17569@hemlock.violacea.com> <026501c2e6c5$92723820$dc62f93f@global> <002b01c2e6da$9c9eff80$a538fc0c@amd> Subject: Re: Squarepusher's breakbeat rig... Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 01:46:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I'll be darned, there it is, right at the bottom of that article: SQUAREPUSHER GEAR Akai S6000 sampler DBX 1066 compressor (2) Eventide Orville Harmonizer (2) Rackmount PC with various virtual-synthesis software programs Thanks for the tipoff, Doug. S6000s seem to be going relatively cheap on Ebay. All the top level folks are upgrading to the Z4 and Z8. Last I heard, Amon Tobin was using the S6000, too. -J P.S. That knobby box below the patch bay in the picture I linked to in my previous mail is one of the DBX 1066s. ----- Original Message ----- From: "doug @ jump/cut" To: Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 10:35 PM Subject: Re: Squarepushers breakbeat rig > >From an article in ReMix (January 2002): > Squarepusher's composing methods are just as rugged. "I go into a trance > state when I am programming," he says. "I don't use [Emagic] Logic Audio > Platinum. I hate computer editing, and I hate computer sequencing. The music > I am into comes from using multitrack tape recorders and dubbing for > composition. Once you've edited on tape, computer editing is a piece of > shit. It is so much more of a vibe to cut up tape and line things up using > your ears, not your eyes. Now I make the composition from start to finish > instead of making a track and editing it afterwards." > > Jenkinson relies on some primitive sequencing, as well. "I do all step-time > writing," he says. "I have a Yamaha sequencer, and you can edit the music in > tracklists and put it all in numbers. The whole day my head is juggling > numbers - it is this strange numerical mission. It's like being a psychic or > a mathematician. It is not just about knowing about equipment and > mathematics; it is knowing how to intuit things, to see the way things > should go." > > http://remixmag.com/ar/remix_warp_records_brave/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 04:27:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2A987X20909; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 04:08:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 04:08:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Non-linear sequencer (possible groovebox alternative)... Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:02:39 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <002301c2e6e3$cd42b1a0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h2A92gM20561 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Probably feeding a mixer from one repeater output and then sending that signal back to the repeater input. I use to do that with pitch shifted repeater tracks in recording mode; gives pitch ascending loops that lift off into digital flutter heaven or dive right down into woofer kill hell. (Just remember to mute the rp direct signal before trying this ;-) Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com --> 1st Swedish Looping Festival > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > > What does that mean? > > On Sunday, March 9, 2003, at 03:41 PM, Eric Williamson wrote: > > > > btw, i've found that running the feedback path of the > repeater outside > > of it > > makes a big difference. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 06:51:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2ABkB230706; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 06:46:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 06:46:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006e01c2e702$97fc7250$a538fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <20030304090026.69913.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> <006d01c2e244$849b77f0$d1ccf5d1@g0wn7> <009201c2e29d$9e19a9a0$a538fc0c@amd> <006c01c2e50c$6bac08c0$a538fc0c@amd> <003e01c2e6e4$f568e720$a538fc0c@amd> Subject: Yamaha A5000 sample dump to/from EDP... Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 04:43:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was reading the LoopIV upgrade manual and thinking about your ideas for usage of the sampler and I got to the MIDI sample dump part of the manual. I thought, "Hey, you could get the loop right on your EDP, and then upload it to the sampler and take advantage of samplerosity." This would take a long time -- probably longer than recording the loop into the A5K, trimming it, and getting it looping -- but it was already 3:00AM by the time I arrived at that point, so I went on to experiment. Findings: 1. You must turn the Bulk Protect switch off on the A5000, and I had to set the EDP to be device 000. 2. The A5000 sample number system is off by one, compared to the EDP. When the EDP asks the A5K for sample #0008 it actually sends #0007 from its list. To view the SDS sample numbers on the A5000 press Command, then Bulkdump, then select BulkType: Sample, then Format: SDS#000X. 3. Sample upload to the EDP seemed faster when it was initiated as a send from the A5000. 4. The loop I uploaded from the sampler (it happened to be a drum loop) was causing the EDP to distort and the feedback light to glow yellow almost all the time. This was fixable by backing off the feedback for a frew repetitions. Just curious if you knew why the sample (a well compressed, normalized to digital zero sample) would cause so much havoc in the EDP? Is the EDP on some other scale of digital zero? -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 07:00:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2ABuQr31265; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 06:56:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 06:56:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2003 11:56:42 +0000 Subject: Re: CHEAP SOLUTION to Breakbeat creation for Live Looping was: BREAKBEATS.................. From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <026501c2e6c5$92723820$dc62f93f@global> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4EW9jC.A.1lH.OzHb-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Unless I'm wrong (don't have time to read everything) No one has mentioned the akai mdc2000 which can be picked up relatively cheaply second hand. This allows u to create drum loops or anything live. Simply put it into record metronome on use the phones output so u can hear the click, and use the other 8 outputs for the drum samples. Only u hear the click then. U can change tracks mute tracks etc. as your going along by simply leaving it in record mode and changing tracks. Its one of the best solutions I've used, would like to try the sequencer that that howie B uses though. Geoff on 10/3/03 5:26 am, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL at GLOBAL@cruzio.com wrote: > Viz a vis, a cheap solution to breakbeat creation for live looping: > > One really cool thing you can do (especially on a PC with the fabulous > FRUITY LOOPS PRO which, in my humble opinion is the best drum machine in the > world and just about to get way better........watch for next month's > COMPUTER MUSIC magazine from the UK for a cover article covering it) is to > program really cool drumbeats on a home > computer and then burn them to a CD. > > Most mixing boards have stereo ins and it is really cheap to buy a walkman > styled > portable CD player these days. > > You can either resample the grooves onto your sampler of just play to the > tracks > (make sure that you have at least ten minutes per groove recorded so you > don't run > out during a long performance) if you are not planning to either loop or > retrigger. > > the degree of sophistication that you can get with a program like Fruity > Loops Pro > is so much more vast and FAST!!!! than you can with a hardware drum machine. > > also, unless you have midi syncability with an EDP, a REPEATER or an old > JAMPERSON > you will have to rely on your own rhythmic sense for retriggering anyway. > > a lot of people shy away from this approach but I find it can be very > effective in > a live performance to use prerecorded all original drum programming on a > burned CD > at a fraction of the cost of either a dedicated hardware drum maching or > a very expensive laptop*. > > Besides, with programs like Fruity Loops and the cool VST drum machines (and > even REASON) you don't have to take a whole load of processing and filtering > gear with you to a gig to get a sophisticated and 'breathing' drum track > live. > > try it..............you'll like it. > > When I get back from my summer tour of Europe and the British Isles in > August, I'll > post a longer post on how to program more realistic drum computer > programming (even if you are an e-bow wielding ambient guitarist who is > rhythmicall challenged..........LOL!) using Fruity Loops if there is enough > interest > > later, > > Rick Walker > www.looppool.info > > > *(and hey, while we are at it, why does the laptop world lag so damned far > behind the desktop computer world in the musical realm? Inexpensive > stereo firewire solutions for live laptop recording are non-existent so far, > though there is rumour of a $400 M-Audio stereo firewire box coming out at > the end of March). > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 08:21:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2AD7Zq07175; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 08:07:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 08:07:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 08:04:15 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Tubes! They do a ____ good! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <011a01c2e705$8dc44c60$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20030309084954.54633.qmail@web80212.mail.yahoo.com> <1047270794.2673.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Stagner" > On Sun, 2003-03-09 at 03:49, Kirkland Mack wrote: > > > > It is absolutely RIDICULOUS that TB preamps are not commonplace. >Does anyone know of a tube power amp around 10-30 watts that has >very pleasing tone when cranked? > > I have a pair of Trace-Elliot Velocette amps. Very nice. These are now the Gibson Goldtone amps. Gibson bought Trace Elliot. * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 08:39:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2ADXhX09131; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 08:33:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 08:33:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-15.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1047303072!5613 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAD74@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] RE: Squarepushers breakbeat rig Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:22:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2E708.2037FD10" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2E708.2037FD10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" "Tom has a bedroom studio with a DR-660 drum machine, AKAI S-950 sampler, 8 track reel-to-reel, bass guitar and instruments, occasional borrowed equipment and assorted synths -- when I spoke to him a few months back he was planning to buy a computer as soon as cash comes in" good god, is that ALL? I listened to "do you know..." last night (w/ a cover of "love will tear us apart" on it) and was astonished (again) by just how complex his manipulation of audio is, especially pitch and stereo. it struck me as unusual to hear that much attention to detail... duncan/r.m.i. (gone back to tape multitrack myself now; 4-track revox) *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. 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"Tom has a bedroom studio with a DR-660 drum machine= , AKAI S-950 sampler, 8 track reel-to-reel, bass guitar and instruments, oc= casional borrowed equipment and assorted synths -- when I spoke to him a fe= w months back he was planning to buy a computer as soon as cash comes in&qu= ot;

good god, is that ALL? I listened to "do you know...= " last night (w/ a cover of "love will tear us apart" on it)= and was astonished (again) by just how complex his manipulation of audio i= s, especially pitch and stereo. it struck me as unusual to hear that much a= ttention to detail...

duncan/r.m.i. (gone back to tape multitrack myself now; 4= -track revox)



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C2E708.2037FD10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 08:58:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2ADonf10797; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 08:50:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 08:50:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030310134835.18626.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 05:48:35 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: (was) Tubes!/more band names To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1047270794.2673.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Dave Stagner wrote: > metal-pounding thug[s], Looping9string wrote: > 23 hertz..., and someone a day or so ago wrote: < The Wrath of Kim When we do our regional looping festivals that feature solo sets and then ad hoc ensembling, the pickup groups could get their names straight outa the list messages! -t- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 08:58:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2ADshI11155; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 08:54:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 08:54:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-2.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1047304417!9193 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAD77@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] RE: OT: Squarepusher's breakbeat rig... Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:44:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2E70B.23582170" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2E70B.23582170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" http://www.neoprimitive.net/jlucas/tmp/squarepusher-live.jpg: >>Eventide Orville Harmonizer PC1600X MIDI Controller Behringer(?) patch bay 2 DAT decks of some make If anybody can identify that piece of knobby gear under the patch bay, I'd like to know what it is.<< looks like a dbx or possibly drawmer; probably just a compressor/limiter to keep him from popping the cones out of someone else's speakers. a wise precaution. the dbx 1066 or 166xl models are the closest match I can see in my studiospares catalogue, but the jpeg's a bit shite..... duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2E70B.23582170 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [looper's] RE: OT: Squarepusher's breakbeat rig...

http://www.neoprimitive.net/jlucas/tmp/squarepusher-live.= jpg:

>>Eventide Orville Harmonizer
PC1600X MIDI Controller
Behringer(?) patch bay
2 DAT decks of some make

If anybody can identify that piece of knobby gear under t= he patch bay, I'd
like to know what it is.<<

looks like a dbx or possibly drawmer; probably just a com= pressor/limiter to keep him from popping the cones out of someone else's sp= eakers. a wise precaution. the dbx 1066 or 166xl models are the closest mat= ch I can see in my studiospares catalogue, but the jpeg's a bit shite.....<= /FONT>

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C2E70B.23582170-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 09:00:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2ADsIQ11128; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 08:54:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 08:54:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030310135201.19306.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 05:52:01 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: My first review!!! (meandering off-T) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5u3J2C.A.BrC.HiJb-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com !!!!!! What gauge??? I'm thinking 'suspension bridge cable' here... -t- --- Looping9string@aol.com wrote: > my F# is 23 hertz... __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 10:40:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2AFMQ723380; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:22:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:22:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000201c2e6b6$d4c96540$6401a8c0@mdbs.com> References: <000201c2e6b6$d4c96540$6401a8c0@mdbs.com> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 07:15:09 -0800 To: , From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: finally a MIDI looper? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:40 PM -0500 3/9/03, wrote: >it looked like Max for Windows was going to be available *real soon now*. It's getting closer. They were showing it at NAMM. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 12:19:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2AH1UD04777; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 12:01:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 12:01:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: "'Loopers-Delight'" Subject: Texture Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 08:58:20 -0800 Message-ID: <000601c2e726$4196f1a0$6501a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2E6E3.3373B1A0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2E6E3.3373B1A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cleaning out my closets, I ran across the old software Texture 4.24 for MS-Dos (Roger Powell's creation), on 5.25" floppies, and manual. This was a great pattern based midi sequencer in its time (around 1985). Anyone want this (for free)? Email privately. Neil ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2E6E3.3373B1A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Cleaning out my closets, I ran across the old = software Texture 4.24 for MS-Dos (Roger Powell’s creation), on 5.25” floppies, and manual. This was a great pattern based midi sequencer in = its time (around 1985).

 

Anyone want this (for free)? =

 

Email privately.

 

Neil

 

------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2E6E3.3373B1A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 12:23:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2AHJjK06705; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 12:19:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 12:19:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 09:12:58 -0800 Message-ID: <3E3AE1880002AF64@mta8.wss.scd.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <000601c2e726$4196f1a0$6501a8c0@neil> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: RE: Texture To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h2AHD4M05900 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Roger Powell? Is that the same Roger that played with Todd Rundgren? And now heads up the FinalCut Pro team at Apple? peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >From: "Neil Goldstein" >To: "'Loopers-Delight'" >Subject: Texture >Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 08:58:20 -0800 >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >Cleaning out my closets, I ran across the old software Texture 4.24 for >MS-Dos (Roger Powell's creation), on 5.25" floppies, and manual. This >was a great pattern based midi sequencer in its time (around 1985). > >Anyone want this (for free)? > >Email privately. > >Neil > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 12:38:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2AHZC008377; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 12:35:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 12:35:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030310093009.00d78ff0@mail.undertone.com> X-Sender: Admin@mail.undertone.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 09:31:58 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Josh Subject: Re: newbie needs help In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030306110827.00d6ef60@mail.undertone.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok I wanted to update my needs a little and get some advice... First off.. I have been looking at the "Boomerang" but it doesn't do stereo. Is there anything that does stereo looping??? What are my options for stereo? Also, what is the most basic looper? I know the Boss DD-5 delay pedal has a loop mode. any other suggestions in this range? Thanks, Josh At 11:17 AM 3/6/2003, Josh wrote: >ok... Basically this is one of those annoying newbie posts of the type of: >"DUH... UH, which looper is the coolest?" But actually I hope to put a bit >more intelligence into this question by first describing the scenario in >which I want to use the looper and then getting suggestions as to which >looper might best fit my needs from you all... > >What I want a looper to do: > >Basically, I want a songwriting tool. I am a guitarist and I want a >looping device to help me discover cool riffs on the guitar, bass lines >etc... I have no intention of using the looper in live performance, but I >do want all of the functions available in an included foot switch. >Basically, I want to use the looper to come up with parts for songs. I >want to be able to loop parts POST effects and pre-amp in my rig so that >each loop might have its own tone and FX qualities, also, I use stereo >effects so it needs to have stereo input/output. I have very little need >for things like slowing down, chopping up or reversing the loop as I don't >want to use the looper as an effect box in itself, rather just as a >sampler/songwriting tool. If it has some bonus FX stuff then that's cool >in case I ever decide I want to include it in my live rig. Another cool >thing would be if it had the ability to switch between "loop sets" so that >I could have one set of stuff looping for the "verse" and then switch to >another set of stuff looping for the "chorus" or "bridge" etc... so that I >can use it to come up with arrangements for songs. Another cool feature >would be the ability to add and remove layers from the loop so that for >example I could get the "verse" looping but get rid of the main guitar >part so that I could "solo" over it... etc... > >My price range is around $500 > >Please let me know which looper would be best for my needs. Thanks!!! > >Josh From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 12:38:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2AHXEK08232; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 12:33:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 12:33:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: MiqSk8@aol.com Message-ID: <9c.2ed37c2b.2b9e25be@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 12:30:38 EST Subject: re:newbie needs help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9c.2ed37c2b.2b9e25be_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10679 Resent-Message-ID: <_827dC.A.-8B.bvMb-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_9c.2ed37c2b.2b9e25be_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would have to second the motion on the gnx3. While I'm still fairly new to the box, it seems like the closest thing I'm aware of for your needs. I got mine for the ability to record with a minimum of equipment while away from home; memory was cheap (I got 128mb for $40 at Costco), the functionality is cool, and the editor for patches is good. One other thing to budget for is the extra pedal-DT has two models, one with traditional amp channel changing buttons (although they don't click, and now a new one that has pedal that match the GNX. These are dedicated for record, stop and play. But a lot of the functionality is on a keypad on the pedal. I'm toying with the idea of using midi to control the processing aspect of the unit, and put the pedal it self up where I can reach it for arranging loops/takes. Lots of functionality in this one. Another, kind of loop oriented thing this can do is "re-amp". You can take a track you've recorded, play it back through another amp/effects setting, and record it to another track (or pair for stereo). Nice. It also has bounce and mixdown functionality as well, so one could make a very convoluted sound, reprocessing (traditional stuff, of course), and then use it for a bed for more traditional stuff, or not. YMMV --part1_9c.2ed37c2b.2b9e25be_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would have to second the motion on the gnx3. While I= 'm still fairly new to the box, it seems like the closest thing I'm aware of= for your needs. I got mine for the ability to record with a minimum of equi= pment while away from home; memory was cheap (I got 128mb for $40 at Costco)= , the functionality is cool, and the editor for patches is good. One other t= hing to budget for is the extra pedal-DT has two models, one with traditiona= l amp channel changing buttons (although they don't click, and now a new one= that has pedal that match the GNX. These are dedicated for record, stop and= play. But a lot of the functionality is on a keypad on the pedal. I'm toyin= g with the idea of using midi to control the processing aspect of the unit,=20= and put the pedal it self up where I can reach it for arranging loops/takes.= Lots of functionality in this one.

Another, kind of loop oriented thing this can do is "re-amp". You can take a= track you've recorded, play it back through another amp/effects setting, an= d record it to another track (or pair for stereo). Nice. It also has bounce=20= and mixdown functionality as well, so one could make a very convoluted sound= , reprocessing (traditional stuff, of course), and then use it for a bed for= more traditional stuff, or not.

YMMV --part1_9c.2ed37c2b.2b9e25be_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 12:49:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2AHiI609590; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 12:44:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 12:44:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: Texture Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 09:42:16 -0800 Message-ID: <000201c2e72c$64b3d6c0$6501a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <3E3AE1880002AF64@mta8.wss.scd.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Affirmative -----Original Message----- From: Chris Roberts [mailto:cpr@musetrap.com] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 9:13 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Texture Roger Powell? Is that the same Roger that played with Todd Rundgren? And now heads up the FinalCut Pro team at Apple? peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >From: "Neil Goldstein" >To: "'Loopers-Delight'" >Subject: Texture >Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 08:58:20 -0800 >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >Cleaning out my closets, I ran across the old software Texture 4.24 for >MS-Dos (Roger Powell's creation), on 5.25" floppies, and manual. This >was a great pattern based midi sequencer in its time (around 1985). > >Anyone want this (for free)? > >Email privately. > >Neil > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 13:05:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2AI1g212830; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:01:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:01:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:50:08 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: tascam 4 track as looper? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com a while back i thought there was some posts about using a 4 track recorder (i have a tascam) as a looper. is this possible? just curious, i have my tascam sitting around, trying to figure out what to do w/ it. s--- -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 13:13:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2AI9mM14223; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:09:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:09:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:06:06 -0500 Subject: OT: surround Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: David Myers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000201c2e72c$64b3d6c0$6501a8c0@neil> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A composer friend of mine has created a very long piece of electronic music (4 hours) and I suggested that he might try to get it released as a DVD-audio only disc. He asked me about surround sound in this regard, and I must admit I'm in the dark. Does anyone know of a way to expand stereo tracks into surround without reworking them track by track (and I don't think his work really has multitrack to draw on), maybe something which could introduce varying ambiences, etc., without requiring months of work? It would just be nice to give his stereo stuff some more dimension if in fact he looks to produce a DVD disc. TIA... David Lee Myers Feedback Music at http://www.pulsewidth.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 13:44:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2AIZ0C17418; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:35:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:35:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E6CD8F0.47520B13@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:26:57 -0800 From: Daryl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: tascam 4 track as looper? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is what I use as my main looping device, I use two in fact. You'll need an endless outgoing message cassette (Radio Shack usually has them, from 20 seconds all the way up to several minutes). It also makes it a lot easier to have a punch-in pedal, usually a sustain pedal for a keyboard will work with the Tascams. What I do is plug my guitar into track one and use the channel assign switch to record on different tracks, using the punch-in pedal to click on and off. I then use the monitor section to control the mix of the recorded tracks (this way you can listen to what's on track 1 without having to switch it from Mic to Tape), and plug the headphone out into my amp. If you have the option of switching between high and low speeds, you can send things up or down an octave. The pitch control is usually good for a perfect fourth or so, I usually record at one extreme of the pitch so I can use this whole range. If your 4-track has an effects loop, you can have additional fun by sending signal out through any other processing you have (you'll need to bring this up on the faders, not the monitor section) and bringing it back into the 4-track for mechanical feedback. This is especially great with delays. I include my other four-track in this effects loop, by sending things back and forth between the two machines I can get infinite pitch-shifting, plus the ability to mix the same thing recorded at different speeds, with different effects, etc. The other great thing to do is to create your own tape loop by opening up a standard cassette and splicing together a loop. It's not easy, but the advantage of this is that you can flip the tape over and voila! backwards tracks! The standard answering machine cassettes are usually created in such a way that they can only be run in one direction - and if you open them up, it'll probably ruin them. If you create your own loops, you can also crease and wrinkle the tape to get a lo-fi effect. I've also created tapes where I bypass the record heads, giving me sound-on-sound capability (and a really incredible, gnarly lo-fi sound after a few layers have built up). There seems to be endess potential for experimentation, and it's really cheap (I've bought all my four-tracks for between $20 and $60). Plus, you have a permanent record of your loops. good luck! let me know how it goes. Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com > a while back i thought there was some posts about > using a 4 track recorder (i have a tascam) as a looper. > is this possible? > just curious, i have my tascam sitting around, trying to > figure out what to do w/ it. > s--- > -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 13:44:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2AIZlM17575; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:35:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:35:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:21:04 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: tascam 4 track as looper? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:50 AM -0600 3/10/03, Scott Hansen wrote: >a while back i thought there was some posts about >using a 4 track recorder (i have a tascam) as a looper. >is this possible? It's not clear if you're talking about an analog or digital recorder. I have a Tascam Porta One recorder that I've sometimes used in performances, mostly for playback. However, since it is designed for multitrack recording and overdubbing it is possible to record live. If you use a loop cassette you could do some looping, but the loop length would be constrained by the length of the cassette loop. Endless loop cassettes are available in 1, 3, 6, and 12 minute lengths. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 13:55:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2AIlbl20321; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:47:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:47:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030310184547.4820.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:45:47 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: OT: surround To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- David Myers wrote: > Does anyone know of a way to expand stereo tracks > into surround without reworking them track by track Hmmm, that's a tough one. You could possibly extend a technique they used to use in the 60's and early 70's to stereo-ize a mono source (why is Jeff Beck's 'Guitar Shop' album playing in my head?) that entails running the signal through both sides of a stereo graphic EQ that has as many bands as possible. Alternating frequency bands are set on the two channels; for example, the left side might use the odd bands and the right side the even. The full audio spectrum would be expanded from one channel to two based on frequency content. (One thing about this technique that sounded sort of phony for regular pop music that might work rather well for ambient/electronic stuff is the fact that glissandi of certain narrower-band waveforms will pan around as they pass through the respective frequency bands!) For surround, possibly *two* such EQs could be used, so your two channels become four... I'm not sure what you'd do about the fifth channel. (Maybe some sort of phase cancellation trick like the one described in the liner notes of Eno's "On Land" ; I've used this technique with multitrack bouncing (rather than with speakers as described) to enable certain sounds to 'sit' better in a mix, but have never tried both techniques together, so I don't know how it'd work. Of course, after splitting up the signal, you'd need to re-master, and this is a *four hour* piece, you say? Robert Rich ran into certain technical issues when he recorded 'Somnium' as a 7-hour audio DVD ; he may be able to provide some tips/advice... -t- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 14:23:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2AJAjX25797; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 14:10:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 14:10:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E6CE2E3.4080001@quik.com> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:09:23 -0800 From: dgoat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3a) Gecko/20021212 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tubes! They do a ____ good! (was Re: Info on Hughes & Kettner Replex References: <9F5CC462-519C-11D7-974A-0003934CD2FA@zerocrossing.net> In-Reply-To: <9F5CC462-519C-11D7-974A-0003934CD2FA@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Sottilaro wrote: > There are also a bunch of tube distortion pedals I've been looking at as > well. I've gone through a ridiculous amount of distortion pedals (an indispensable loop tool.) Of all of the solid-state "overdrives" I've used, the Tech21 Tri-OD has one of the best sounds available, though it has some harsh mid-range coloration due to the fact that it's actually not meant to go into the front-end of an amp. Also, I'm very fond of the (discontinued) Morley JD-10. These are the only solid-state "overdrive" boxes I've kept, though they now sit in a closet as back-ups and not on my pedal board. The top-of-the-line tube overdrive is the S.I.B. Varidrive. Sweet, absolutely transparent, and it can get that just on the edge of breakup to a very full lead tone. It equally respects single coils and humbuckers. It uses full current as opposed to a 12 or 15 volt power supply, and I can really hear the difference. I use two of them: one as my mild crunch box, and the other for singing lead tones. $290 Next is the ToneBone Hot British and ToneBone Classic tube drives. These give excellent sound and far more eq flexibility than the SIB, but they have a mild "paint-on" quality, and the basic tone under the distorition is dull and muddy. Still far better than ANY solid state device. $230 I've tried the Soldano Super Charger GTO, but I thought it had too much of a mid-range hump. The Hughes & Kettner Tubeman is fine, but the heavy drive sounded "buzzy" to me. The Mesa V-Twin distortions basically suck, but I actually use its clean setting as my recording pre-amp. Very sweet. I have NOT tried: Siegmund Double Drive Tube Overdrive Budda Phatman J.T. Valveboy Hot Chili Tubester Good luck! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 14:31:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2AJMXO27247; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 14:22:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 14:22:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E6CE555.3070905@quik.com> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:19:49 -0800 From: dgoat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3a) Gecko/20021212 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tubes! They do a ____ good! References: <003201c2e5ec$0db0ac40$a538fc0c@amd> In-Reply-To: <003201c2e5ec$0db0ac40$a538fc0c@amd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > I'm on the tube path now, but I'm seriously considering moving back to solid > state for space/weight/maintainability reasons. I'm no slouch, but the idea > of carrying in an amp slung over my shoulder is enticing. I have heard > several guys come through town on tour using those Traveler heads and they > sound great for the size venues I'm playing in right now. For bass, I prefer solid state. More "punch" and less "puff," i.e. it does not get buried by the rest of the band. But in a recording set-up, tube all the way! > 5. I read several very technical discussions of tube vs. solid state on the > web that boiled it down to: solid state and tube amps are basically the same > until you begin to push them into overdrive. Actually this is not true in my experience. Play a Fender Stage 100 next to a Twin (both VERY clean amps) and weep at the beauty the tubes impart. This is not to say that a solid-state amp cannot sound good, because it can. A really good solid-state amp can sound better than a crappy tube amp, but a really good tube amp will (IMO) always sound better than a really good solid state amp. YMMV. > One day, when Linux gets a good audio distribution and commercial software > support we will just drag our rack-mounted computers (by then, they will be > in 1U chassis or smaller) out to gigs with us, plug our basses into them, > and run through the Echoplex Digital Pro plugin, into the SVT-II plugin, > into the Ampeg 8x10 plugin, and into the board. It's coming, I tell you. > Mark my words. Yup, when the tube-modeling is finally perfected -- still a long way off though... D.G. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 14:33:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2AJQ8P27794; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 14:26:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 14:26:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 14:22:57 -0500 From: Guywithatele@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: delay time MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <363C4F0C.6B004D3D.2437D650@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone know of a delay unit that can glitchlessly change delay times as signal is being fed to it? E.g., in my current processor (DP/4, Ensoniq), altering a delay time from 3000ms to 2775ms as it receives signal causes (understandable) herky-jerky effects. I'd like to know if anyone has used a (digial) delay that allows for minute changes smoothly. Thank you. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 15:04:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2AJmng30644; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 14:48:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 14:48:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030310193855.78605.qmail@web40505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:38:55 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: newbie needs help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030310093009.00d78ff0@mail.undertone.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There is a Boss DD-6 now i think with 5 sec. loopdelay cheers L.a --- Josh wrote: > Ok I wanted to update my needs a little and get some > advice... First off.. > I have been looking at the "Boomerang" but it > doesn't do stereo. Is there > anything that does stereo looping??? What are my > options for stereo? > > Also, what is the most basic looper? I know the Boss > DD-5 delay pedal has a > loop mode. any other suggestions in this range? > > Thanks, > > Josh > > At 11:17 AM 3/6/2003, Josh wrote: > >ok... Basically this is one of those annoying > newbie posts of the type of: > >"DUH... UH, which looper is the coolest?" But > actually I hope to put a bit > >more intelligence into this question by first > describing the scenario in > >which I want to use the looper and then getting > suggestions as to which > >looper might best fit my needs from you all... > > > >What I want a looper to do: > > > >Basically, I want a songwriting tool. I am a > guitarist and I want a > >looping device to help me discover cool riffs on > the guitar, bass lines > >etc... I have no intention of using the looper in > live performance, but I > >do want all of the functions available in an > included foot switch. > >Basically, I want to use the looper to come up with > parts for songs. I > >want to be able to loop parts POST effects and > pre-amp in my rig so that > >each loop might have its own tone and FX qualities, > also, I use stereo > >effects so it needs to have stereo input/output. I > have very little need > >for things like slowing down, chopping up or > reversing the loop as I don't > >want to use the looper as an effect box in itself, > rather just as a > >sampler/songwriting tool. If it has some bonus FX > stuff then that's cool > >in case I ever decide I want to include it in my > live rig. Another cool > >thing would be if it had the ability to switch > between "loop sets" so that > >I could have one set of stuff looping for the > "verse" and then switch to > >another set of stuff looping for the "chorus" or > "bridge" etc... so that I > >can use it to come up with arrangements for songs. > Another cool feature > >would be the ability to add and remove layers from > the loop so that for > >example I could get the "verse" looping but get rid > of the main guitar > >part so that I could "solo" over it... etc... > > > >My price range is around $500 > > > >Please let me know which looper would be best for > my needs. Thanks!!! > > > >Josh > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 15:04:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2AJYAE28768; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 14:34:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 14:34:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E6C7795.133C@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:31:38 +0000 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New CD on CD baby Replex References: <9F5CC462-519C-11D7-974A-0003934CD2FA@zerocrossing.net> <3E6CE2E3.4080001@quik.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My new CD "Mourning Guests Who Never Arrived" is now up on CDBABY http://www.cdbaby.com/drengsen2 If anyone would like to listen to excerpts,see the pretty cover, etc.. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 16:46:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2ALFtY10002; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:15:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:15:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004f01c2e716$99db0640$f6259e40@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <1046940151.3e6709f7cd9ec@www.suitandtieguy.com> Subject: FCB1010 + EDP -- control change or note? Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:06:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just picked up an FCB1010 to control my 3rd EDP...programming is a real pain...anyhow, i recall some time ago there being a discussion regarding cc vs. note messages for controlling the EDP with said footcontroller. can anybody confirm or deny this? i'll search the archive, but any off-hand tips are appreciated. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 16:48:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2ALFq909994; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:15:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:15:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E6CF0CC.A69F1C71@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:08:45 -0700 From: sine@zerocrossing.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: surround References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you run any stereo audio program though an analog Dolby Surround sound processor, you'll end up with an approximation of surround sound. Depending on phase relationships between the left and right channels, frequencies will get put to the rear channels. It works pretty good for some music, but I kind of feel it ruins some tracks. Check it out, your mileage will vary. Most surround sound recievers will also have a kind of fake surroundsoundizer which is often called "theatre" or "hall". More or less the same effect. Mark Sottilaro David Myers wrote: > A composer friend of mine has created a very long piece of electronic > music (4 hours) and I suggested that he might try to get it released as > a DVD-audio only disc. He asked me about surround sound in this > regard, and I must admit I'm in the dark. > > Does anyone know of a way to expand stereo tracks into surround without > reworking them track by track (and I don't think his work really has > multitrack to draw on), maybe something which could introduce varying > ambiences, etc., without requiring months of work? It would just be > nice to give his stereo stuff some more dimension if in fact he looks > to produce a DVD disc. TIA... > > David Lee Myers > Feedback Music at http://www.pulsewidth.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 16:49:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2ALibl13245; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:44:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:44:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E6CF874.D8B91392@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:41:25 -0700 From: sine@zerocrossing.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Texture References: <3E3AE1880002AF64@mta8.wss.scd.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Roger Powell from Utopia heads the Finalcut Pro team at Apple? Will wonders never cease. Didn't Todd have something to do with the VideoToaster? Oh those original Utopia videos... I still have nightmares about them. Mark Chris Roberts wrote: > Roger Powell? Is that the same Roger that played with Todd Rundgren? And > now heads up the FinalCut Pro team at Apple? > > peace > -cpr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 16:50:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2ALBR209582; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:11:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:11:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E6CEF3E.63418444@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:02:07 -0700 From: sine@zerocrossing.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tubes! They do a ____ good! (was Re: Info on Hughes & KettnerReplex References: <9F5CC462-519C-11D7-974A-0003934CD2FA@zerocrossing.net> <3E6CE2E3.4080001@quik.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com WOW. Thanks for the in depth post! That post was fuzztastic. I'm surprised at what you've said about the Mesa V-Twin. After reading a thousand great reviews on Harmony-Central about this box, I was curious to hear it. Still am, as I see you use it's clean channel as your recording preamp, and that's pretty much what I was hoping for. One thing I notice is that a lot of people complain about "buzzy" sounds with distortions, but I kind of like that almost synth sounding tone. Mmmmm Ibanez Tube Screamer... how I regret selling that green box... I also find that by filtering out a lot of the highs you can usually get around that anyway. One funny thing was I found a little sample .wav of the S.I.T. pedal on the web and I thought it was WAY buzzy sounding. I guess what I'm saying is, you can't please everyone, but you can make everybody miserable. Mark Sottilaro dgoat wrote: > Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > There are also a bunch of tube distortion pedals I've been looking at as > > well. > > I've tried the Soldano Super Charger GTO, but I thought it had too much > of a mid-range hump. The Hughes & Kettner Tubeman is fine, but the heavy > drive sounded "buzzy" to me. The Mesa V-Twin distortions basically suck, > but I actually use its clean setting as my recording pre-amp. Very sweet. > > I have NOT tried: > Siegmund Double Drive Tube Overdrive > Budda Phatman > J.T. Valveboy > Hot Chili Tubester > > Good luck! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 16:51:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2ALkqA14202; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:46:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:46:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <04b101c2e74e$1cc7d9c0$700018ac@jnpr.net> From: "bIz \(looper\)" To: References: Subject: Re: CHEAP SOLUTION to Breakbeat creation for Live Looping was: BREAKBEATS.................. Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:43:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - hummer.alwayswebhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - groovetronica.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Do you mean an mpc2000? Around here they are still going for ~$1,000 used. bIz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Smith" To: Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 3:56 AM Subject: Re: CHEAP SOLUTION to Breakbeat creation for Live Looping was: BREAKBEATS.................. > Unless I'm wrong (don't have time to read everything) > No one has mentioned the akai mdc2000 which can be picked up relatively > cheaply second hand. > This allows u to create drum loops or anything live. Simply put it into > record metronome on use the phones output so u can hear the click, and use > the other 8 outputs for the drum samples. Only u hear the click then. > U can change tracks mute tracks etc. as your going along by simply leaving > it in record mode and changing tracks. > Its one of the best solutions I've used, would like to try the sequencer > that that howie B uses though. > > Geoff > > > on 10/3/03 5:26 am, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL at GLOBAL@cruzio.com wrote: > > > Viz a vis, a cheap solution to breakbeat creation for live looping: > > > > One really cool thing you can do (especially on a PC with the fabulous > > FRUITY LOOPS PRO which, in my humble opinion is the best drum machine in the > > world and just about to get way better........watch for next month's > > COMPUTER MUSIC magazine from the UK for a cover article covering it) is to > > program really cool drumbeats on a home > > computer and then burn them to a CD. > > > > Most mixing boards have stereo ins and it is really cheap to buy a walkman > > styled > > portable CD player these days. > > > > You can either resample the grooves onto your sampler of just play to the > > tracks > > (make sure that you have at least ten minutes per groove recorded so you > > don't run > > out during a long performance) if you are not planning to either loop or > > retrigger. > > > > the degree of sophistication that you can get with a program like Fruity > > Loops Pro > > is so much more vast and FAST!!!! than you can with a hardware drum machine. > > > > also, unless you have midi syncability with an EDP, a REPEATER or an old > > JAMPERSON > > you will have to rely on your own rhythmic sense for retriggering anyway. > > > > a lot of people shy away from this approach but I find it can be very > > effective in > > a live performance to use prerecorded all original drum programming on a > > burned CD > > at a fraction of the cost of either a dedicated hardware drum maching or > > a very expensive laptop*. > > > > Besides, with programs like Fruity Loops and the cool VST drum machines (and > > even REASON) you don't have to take a whole load of processing and filtering > > gear with you to a gig to get a sophisticated and 'breathing' drum track > > live. > > > > try it..............you'll like it. > > > > When I get back from my summer tour of Europe and the British Isles in > > August, I'll > > post a longer post on how to program more realistic drum computer > > programming (even if you are an e-bow wielding ambient guitarist who is > > rhythmicall challenged..........LOL!) using Fruity Loops if there is enough > > interest > > > > later, > > > > Rick Walker > > www.looppool.info > > > > > > *(and hey, while we are at it, why does the laptop world lag so damned far > > behind the desktop computer world in the musical realm? Inexpensive > > stereo firewire solutions for live laptop recording are non-existent so far, > > though there is rumour of a $400 M-Audio stereo firewire box coming out at > > the end of March). > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 16:52:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2ALlA414231; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:47:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:47:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <04b401c2e74e$3b5e5b20$700018ac@jnpr.net> Reply-To: From: To: References: <1046940151.3e6709f7cd9ec@www.suitandtieguy.com> <010201c2e5bf$c1e21a50$08f49840@g0wn7> <008501c2e619$34582d00$a538fc0c@amd> Subject: Re: breakbeats -- the quest for a groovebox Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:44:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - hummer.alwayswebhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - groovetronica.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for this. Amon Tobin is one of my all time favourites.. This is a pretty awsome interview. Anyone who hasn't heard his stuff and is on this list really ought to :> bIz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 12:52 AM Subject: Re: breakbeats -- the quest for a groovebox > Here's a link to an article where the drummer from Mr. Bungle interviews > Amon Tobin and gets him to shed a little light on his methods of > composition/production/breakbeat destruction: > > http://www.neoprimitive.net/jlucas/etc/amontobin-methods.txt > > Incidentally, I would love to hear anything about Squarepusher or Aphex > Twin's composing rigs, if anyone knows anything. > > -J > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 16:52:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2ALkOg14089; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:46:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:46:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <04aa01c2e74e$0a4b0830$700018ac@jnpr.net> Reply-To: From: To: References: <3E6CF0CC.A69F1C71@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: OT: surround Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:42:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - hummer.alwayswebhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - groovetronica.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you can even get partial mixdowns of tracks, you'll get a better effect than just running everything through a surroundizer. Another alternative I would suggest would be to use the surround as 'filler' rather than trying to pseudo-'surroundize' the sound. That is, put a quieter, reverbed mix into the side channel speakers. Don't overdo it though :> bIz ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 12:08 PM Subject: Re: OT: surround > If you run any stereo audio program though an analog Dolby Surround sound > processor, you'll end up with an approximation of surround sound. > Depending on phase relationships between the left and right channels, > frequencies will get put to the rear channels. It works pretty good for > some music, but I kind of feel it ruins some tracks. Check it out, your > mileage will vary. Most surround sound recievers will also have a kind of > fake surroundsoundizer which is often called "theatre" or "hall". More or > less the same effect. > > Mark Sottilaro > > David Myers wrote: > > > A composer friend of mine has created a very long piece of electronic > > music (4 hours) and I suggested that he might try to get it released as > > a DVD-audio only disc. He asked me about surround sound in this > > regard, and I must admit I'm in the dark. > > > > Does anyone know of a way to expand stereo tracks into surround without > > reworking them track by track (and I don't think his work really has > > multitrack to draw on), maybe something which could introduce varying > > ambiences, etc., without requiring months of work? It would just be > > nice to give his stereo stuff some more dimension if in fact he looks > > to produce a DVD disc. TIA... > > > > David Lee Myers > > Feedback Music at http://www.pulsewidth.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 16:53:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2ALlad14415; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:47:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:47:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E6CFA0F.9723B4B4@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:48:16 -0700 From: sine@zerocrossing.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: newbie needs help References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030310093009.00d78ff0@mail.undertone.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think your only option for live stereo looping at this point is to buy 2 Echoplex Digital Pros and brothersync them. Or you could bid on my spare Repeater that's up on eBay right now.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2513798650 Mark Sottilaro Josh wrote: > Ok I wanted to update my needs a little and get some advice... First off.. > I have been looking at the "Boomerang" but it doesn't do stereo. Is there > anything that does stereo looping??? What are my options for stereo? > > Also, what is the most basic looper? I know the Boss DD-5 delay pedal has a > loop mode. any other suggestions in this range? > > Thanks, > > Josh > > At 11:17 AM 3/6/2003, Josh wrote: > >ok... Basically this is one of those annoying newbie posts of the type of: > >"DUH... UH, which looper is the coolest?" But actually I hope to put a bit > >more intelligence into this question by first describing the scenario in > >which I want to use the looper and then getting suggestions as to which > >looper might best fit my needs from you all... > > > >What I want a looper to do: > > > >Basically, I want a songwriting tool. I am a guitarist and I want a > >looping device to help me discover cool riffs on the guitar, bass lines > >etc... I have no intention of using the looper in live performance, but I > >do want all of the functions available in an included foot switch. > >Basically, I want to use the looper to come up with parts for songs. I > >want to be able to loop parts POST effects and pre-amp in my rig so that > >each loop might have its own tone and FX qualities, also, I use stereo > >effects so it needs to have stereo input/output. I have very little need > >for things like slowing down, chopping up or reversing the loop as I don't > >want to use the looper as an effect box in itself, rather just as a > >sampler/songwriting tool. If it has some bonus FX stuff then that's cool > >in case I ever decide I want to include it in my live rig. Another cool > >thing would be if it had the ability to switch between "loop sets" so that > >I could have one set of stuff looping for the "verse" and then switch to > >another set of stuff looping for the "chorus" or "bridge" etc... so that I > >can use it to come up with arrangements for songs. Another cool feature > >would be the ability to add and remove layers from the loop so that for > >example I could get the "verse" looping but get rid of the main guitar > >part so that I could "solo" over it... etc... > > > >My price range is around $500 > > > >Please let me know which looper would be best for my needs. Thanks!!! > > > >Josh From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 16:55:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2ALoVm15303; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:50:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:50:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:48:38 -0800 Message-ID: <3E3AE1880002BB94@mta8.wss.scd.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3E6CF874.D8B91392@zerocrossing.net> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Re: Texture To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h2ALmjM14668 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hmmm... I don't know about his involvement with the Toaster, but I know at one time he was a big user of Max (as I did some engineering support for him while at Opcode)... peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:41:25 -0700 >From: sine@zerocrossing.net >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Texture >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >Roger Powell from Utopia heads the Finalcut Pro team at Apple? Will >wonders never cease. Didn't Todd have something to do with the >VideoToaster? Oh those original Utopia videos... I still have nightmares >about them. > >Mark > >Chris Roberts wrote: > >> Roger Powell? Is that the same Roger that played with Todd Rundgren? And >> now heads up the FinalCut Pro team at Apple? >> >> peace >> -cpr > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 17:00:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2ALtoO16694; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:55:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:55:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: RE: delay time Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 22:53:34 +0100 Message-ID: <001801c2e74f$803932a0$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <363C4F0C.6B004D3D.2437D650@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Do you want a delay that stays in the same pitch (i.e. the end of the delay contents get discarded or silence gets added when you change the delay time), or a tape-echo-style varispeed effect? For type 1, both my TC Electronics Fireworx and D2 keep relatively clean when changing delay times (realtively means they will introduce slight artifacts (clicks in the Fireworx, high-pitched noise in the D2) reacting to ultra-weird delay-time changes. But if you do "normal" things, they work well. For the varispeed effect, I enjoy both the digitech RDS 2001 (will work with the entire PDS/RDS series, I guess) and Line 6's DL4. Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de > -----Original Message----- > From: Guywithatele@aol.com [mailto:Guywithatele@aol.com] > Sent: Montag, 10. März 2003 20:23 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: delay time > > > Anyone know of a delay unit that can glitchlessly change > delay times as signal is being fed to it? E.g., in my current > processor (DP/4, Ensoniq), altering a delay time from 3000ms > to 2775ms as it receives signal causes (understandable) > herky-jerky effects. I'd like to know if anyone has used a > (digial) delay that allows for minute changes smoothly. > > Thank you. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 17:12:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2AM8IX19878; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 17:08:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 17:08:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030310220459.28182.qmail@web11401.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 14:04:59 -0800 (PST) From: "Rich R." Subject: Re: delay time To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <363C4F0C.6B004D3D.2437D650@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll have to check a little later on to confirm this, but I think my Echo Pro does. That is, I've never noticed glitching when I'm tapping in a new tempo. If you're talking patches with different delay times, the Echo Pro will "glide" into the new patch very smoothly (you can set the "glide" time). You will hear the glide, however, as it goes from one time to the other but it catches up quickly, again occurs smoothly, and actually sounds pretty cool. --- Guywithatele@aol.com wrote: > Anyone know of a delay unit that can glitchlessly > change delay times as signal is being fed to it? > E.g., in my current processor (DP/4, Ensoniq), > altering a delay time from 3000ms to 2775ms as it > receives signal causes (understandable) herky-jerky > effects. I'd like to know if anyone has used a > (digial) delay that allows for minute changes > smoothly. > > Thank you. > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 18:09:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2AMtgk26426; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 17:55:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 17:55:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Looping9string@aol.com Message-ID: <1e0.416a886.2b9e6ef5@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 17:43:01 EST Subject: Re: My first review!!! 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BUT the best string i have used as of yet is a SIT brand .168 --part1_1e0.416a886.2b9e6ef5_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 18:15:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2AND4d29791; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 18:13:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 18:13:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 18:09:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200303101809.AA223477974@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Texture X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: <8GlDJ.A.8NH.TtRb-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Probably the same guy. I worked with him at Silicon Graphics 10 years ago. Lots of musicians end up as programmers after they leave the music industry. The bass player from Tony Orlando and Dawn used to work at Sun! Unfortunately, not as many of us programmers switch to being full-time musicians. I guess the cut in pay is hard to take :) KEvin -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- New From Unit Circle: Intonarumori - "Material" http://www.unitcircle.com/rekkids/releases/tUC075/ -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 18:22:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2ANI8U30606; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 18:18:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 18:18:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:20:53 -0800 From: Larry Stites Subject: Hi all - EMU, Echoplex and Zen Drum To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Back to the list after a long break. And I some gear to talk about - EMU Planet Earth, Gibson Digital Echoplex, Zen Drum, Roland Club-V, Yamaha DTX2.0... and stuff like that. Basically what's first on my mind is offering the first three items for sale if anyone is interested. The EMU Planet Earth, Echoplex and Zen Drum combined together give you all the percussive sounds of the planet literally at your finger tips. I'd like to sell these items. They come with gig bags, 4 slot rack mount, cords, manuals, CD, original boxes... let me know if you are interested. I just bought a Roland Club V electronic drum set and am using a Yamaha DTX2.0 brain. This is being used for a recording project that requires real drum grooves that I can only get from playing a set directly. Nice feel and response from this kit except the cymbals... they just aren't right. One tech note: I have had to exchange the Roland HH pedal for a Yamaha pedal as the DTX2.0 requires it's own brand in order to function. So that sort of catches me up - I've had a great time learning to play the Zen Drum, EMU and Echoplex system and am hesitant to sell. But I understand that these are tools and I try not to get too attached. I want to sell now that the current of artistic change is taking be back towards the drum sets. Thanks Larry Stites From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 19:19:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2B0FEx05287; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 19:15:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 19:15:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 00:09:50 +0000 Subject: Re: CHEAP SOLUTION to Breakbeat creation for Live Looping was: BREAKBEATS.................. From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <04b101c2e74e$1cc7d9c0$700018ac@jnpr.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h2B071M04476 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah Man sorry my typing is ridiculously bad, as is my spelling! Yep Akai MPC2000xl and Mpc 2000 I have seen them for as little as £250 approx $350 They are simply wonderfully ergonomic and musically inspiring machines to use. Every musical friend who has seen me jamming with bands using mine wants ta buy one. When u see one in action u will dig it! Smacking out drum beats live on an MPC is great fun!!!!! u can even use drum sticks on the pads. G on 10/3/03 9:43 pm, bIz (looper) at bIz-looper@groovetronica.com wrote: > > Do you mean an mpc2000? > > Around here they are still going for ~$1,000 used. > > bIz > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Geoff Smith" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 3:56 AM > Subject: Re: CHEAP SOLUTION to Breakbeat creation for Live Looping was: > BREAKBEATS.................. > > >> Unless I'm wrong (don't have time to read everything) >> No one has mentioned the akai mdc2000 which can be picked up relatively >> cheaply second hand. >> This allows u to create drum loops or anything live. Simply put it into >> record metronome on use the phones output so u can hear the click, and use >> the other 8 outputs for the drum samples. Only u hear the click then. >> U can change tracks mute tracks etc. as your going along by simply leaving >> it in record mode and changing tracks. >> Its one of the best solutions I've used, would like to try the sequencer >> that that howie B uses though. >> >> Geoff >> >> >> on 10/3/03 5:26 am, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL at GLOBAL@cruzio.com wrote: >> >>> Viz a vis, a cheap solution to breakbeat creation for live looping: >>> >>> One really cool thing you can do (especially on a PC with the fabulous >>> FRUITY LOOPS PRO which, in my humble opinion is the best drum machine in > the >>> world and just about to get way better........watch for next month's >>> COMPUTER MUSIC magazine from the UK for a cover article covering it) is > to >>> program really cool drumbeats on a home >>> computer and then burn them to a CD. >>> >>> Most mixing boards have stereo ins and it is really cheap to buy a > walkman >>> styled >>> portable CD player these days. >>> >>> You can either resample the grooves onto your sampler of just play to > the >>> tracks >>> (make sure that you have at least ten minutes per groove recorded so you >>> don't run >>> out during a long performance) if you are not planning to either loop or >>> retrigger. >>> >>> the degree of sophistication that you can get with a program like Fruity >>> Loops Pro >>> is so much more vast and FAST!!!! than you can with a hardware drum > machine. >>> >>> also, unless you have midi syncability with an EDP, a REPEATER or an old >>> JAMPERSON >>> you will have to rely on your own rhythmic sense for retriggering > anyway. >>> >>> a lot of people shy away from this approach but I find it can be very >>> effective in >>> a live performance to use prerecorded all original drum programming on a >>> burned CD >>> at a fraction of the cost of either a dedicated hardware drum maching or >>> a very expensive laptop*. >>> >>> Besides, with programs like Fruity Loops and the cool VST drum machines > (and >>> even REASON) you don't have to take a whole load of processing and > filtering >>> gear with you to a gig to get a sophisticated and 'breathing' drum track >>> live. >>> >>> try it..............you'll like it. >>> >>> When I get back from my summer tour of Europe and the British Isles in >>> August, I'll >>> post a longer post on how to program more realistic drum computer >>> programming (even if you are an e-bow wielding ambient guitarist who is >>> rhythmicall challenged..........LOL!) using Fruity Loops if there is > enough >>> interest >>> >>> later, >>> >>> Rick Walker >>> www.looppool.info >>> >>> >>> *(and hey, while we are at it, why does the laptop world lag so damned > far >>> behind the desktop computer world in the musical realm? Inexpensive >>> stereo firewire solutions for live laptop recording are non-existent so > far, >>> though there is rumour of a $400 M-Audio stereo firewire box coming out > at >>> the end of March). >>> >>> >>> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 21:18:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2B2EGd19079; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 21:14:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 21:14:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 18:13:22 -0800 Subject: Re: FCB1010 + EDP -- control change or note? From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004f01c2e716$99db0640$f6259e40@g0wn7> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 3/10/03 7:06 AM, jimfowler at jimfowler@prodigy.net wrote: > just picked up an FCB1010 to control my 3rd EDP...programming is a real > pain...anyhow, i recall some time ago there being a discussion regarding cc > vs. note messages for controlling the EDP with said footcontroller. can > anybody confirm or deny this? > > i'll search the archive, but any off-hand tips are appreciated. As I recall (I don't actually have an FCB1010), you want to use note messages not control messages because the FCB1010 won't transmit a message when the pedal is released. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 21:40:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2B2J5s19826; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 21:19:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 21:19:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 18:18:28 -0800 Subject: Re: CHEAP SOLUTION to Breakbeat creation for Live Looping was: BREAKBEATS.................. From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h2B2GRM19320 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com But can you save patterns while playing? My ideal machine would let me do the following: 1. Switch/load patterns while playing (most let you do that). By load, I mean that if there is an active edit buffer, then you can load into that. I don't care about loading from external media. 2. Save while playing. 3. Have good controls for editing while playing. Including controller recording, erase, etc. 4. Ideally, I'd like a TR-style grid mode, but I can probably live without it. 5. Muting "parts" is also pretty useful. The combination of 1 and 2 means that you can create a pattern, save it, modify it further, save that to another slot, load the first saved pattern to go back to it, modify that further, save that to a third-slot, etc. The live save seems to be the real sticking point for a lot of boxes. Mark on 3/8/03 4:09 PM, Geoff Smith at geoff.smith15@btopenworld.com wrote: > Yeah Man > sorry my typing is ridiculously bad, as is my spelling! > Yep Akai MPC2000xl and Mpc 2000 > I have seen them for as little as £250 approx $350 > They are simply wonderfully ergonomic and musically inspiring machines to > use. Every musical friend who has seen me jamming with bands using mine > wants ta buy one. When u see one in action u will dig it! Smacking out drum > beats live on an MPC is great fun!!!!! > u can even use drum sticks on the pads. > G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 21:41:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2B2TeR21183; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 21:29:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 21:29:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006901c2e775$34e4e080$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: Subject: Re: FCB1010 + EDP -- control change or note? Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 20:23:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <3LffdB.A.v9E.phUb-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, what Mark said. To be slightly more precise: using notes, the FCB1010 *will* transmit "note off" when the pedal is released. It *will not* transmit a zero value CC message when the pedal is released. So, use notes. And yes, programming it is no fun. But the results are nice. Doug > on 3/10/03 7:06 AM, jimfowler at jimfowler@prodigy.net wrote: > > > just picked up an FCB1010 to control my 3rd EDP...programming is a real > > pain...anyhow, i recall some time ago there being a discussion regarding cc > > vs. note messages for controlling the EDP with said footcontroller. can > > anybody confirm or deny this? > > > > i'll search the archive, but any off-hand tips are appreciated. > > As I recall (I don't actually have an FCB1010), you want to use note > messages not control messages because the FCB1010 won't transmit a message > when the pedal is released. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 21:41:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2B2SRs21077; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 21:28:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 21:28:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 21:19:08 -0500 From: Guywithatele@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: delay time part ii MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1D348424.150C053E.2437D650@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My bad. Let me be clearer: I'm not trying to tap new times or to change from, for example, 3000ms to 2775ms by way of a single, discrete change. I'm trying to locate a delay system where smooth transitions from one delay time to another are accomplished without the glitchy, herky-jerky "artifacts" my current delay renders. I think it may be a current technological impossibility, though: to scroll through a 225ms (or whatever the situation calls for) change-in-delay-time without necessitating a portamento glide effect or that re-calculating gl-llli-itttt-cch--ch-hhh-n-lock. I was hoping that someone may know of a higher-end delay unit that could accomplish smooth transitions. Maybe I need an analog tape-type delay with very accurate time codes. Tape loops, me'be? Do these exist? or are digital racks the only precise delay units at the moment. Thanks again! > Anyone know of a delay unit that can glitchlessly > change delay times as signal is being fed to it? > E.g., in my current processor (DP/4, Ensoniq), > altering a delay time from 3000ms to 2775ms as it > receives signal causes (understandable) herky-jerky > effects. I'd like to know if anyone has used a > (digital) delay that allows for minute changes > smoothly. > > Thank you. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 22:08:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2B32Xk27170; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 22:02:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 22:02:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E6D516C.50009@quik.com> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 19:01:00 -0800 From: dgoat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3a) Gecko/20021212 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tubes! They do a ____ good! (was Re: Info on Hughes & KettnerReplex References: <9F5CC462-519C-11D7-974A-0003934CD2FA@zerocrossing.net> <3E6CE2E3.4080001@quik.com> <3E6CEF3E.63418444@zerocrossing.net> In-Reply-To: <3E6CEF3E.63418444@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0kpZ9D.A.ijG.WFVb-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > WOW. Thanks for the in depth post! That post was fuzztastic. I'm surprised > at what you've said about the Mesa V-Twin. After reading a thousand great > reviews on Harmony-Central about this box, I was curious to hear it. Still > am, as I see you use it's clean channel as your recording preamp, and that's > pretty much what I was hoping for. I actually would like to upgrade to an Alembic FB-2, which is a hotrodded Showman in a rack, stereo. Since I use a Showman as my live amp, it just makes sense, and David Gilmour uses one... > One thing I notice is that a lot of > people complain about "buzzy" sounds with distortions, but I kind of like > that almost synth sounding tone. Mmmmm Ibanez Tube Screamer... how I regret > selling that green box... Heh, get a TomeBone Classic and you'll never look at another Tube Screamer ;-) > I also find that by filtering out a lot of the highs you can usually get > around that anyway. One funny thing was I found a little sample .wav of the > S.I.T. pedal on the web and I thought it was WAY buzzy sounding. Yup, I passed up the SIB for a long time because the sample on the Music Toyz site is so buzzy, but I found the real thing to be un-freaking-beleivable (at least for MY uses!) > I guess what I'm saying is, you can't please everyone, but you can make > everybody miserable. Heh, yup. D.G. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 22:30:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2B3QvP29971; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 22:26:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 22:26:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 21:26:26 -0600 Subject: Re: Non-linear sequencer (possible groovebox alternative)... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <3DD7A60C-5371-11D7-BAC0-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: <16BKaB.A.JQH.SbVb-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, March 9, 2003, at 08:34 PM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >> btw, i've found that running the feedback path of the repeater >> outside of it >> makes a big difference. > What does that mean? i run it with dry mute on and 0% feedback and loop the output back in on itself. usually this is done with a pitch shifter in the middle. :) to paraphrase Bob: this remains the best way i know of making alot of noise with one moog. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 22:52:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2B3boD31551; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 22:37:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 22:37:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: To: Subject: RE: delay time part ii Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 22:34:52 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c2e77f$2e0900c0$6401a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1D348424.150C053E.2437D650@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmm, I think it depends on how smooth of delay time change you want. Typically, as the delay time smoothly increases you are effectively changing the output sampling rate with respect to the input rate. This sounds like a temporary pitch/time change while the delay time is changing. Unfortunately, it is not a technology thing but a physics thing. You will encounter this effect regardless of the technology. I.e., try an alternate universe to eliminate this effect. On the other hand, if you jump from one delay value to another, you can eliminate the pitch change and with some effort smooth the transition in sample values to eliminate any snap or pop. But the signal will jump in time. For example, if the input is repetitively counting "1-2-3-4-..." you will hear "1-2-" and a jump to "-4-1-2-...". By making the steps very small, you can minimize the effect, but it will always be present to some degree. (Think of limits in calculus.) Likewise, by smoothly changing the delay time, you can minimize the pitch changing but never eliminate it. Hope this explnation helps. Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com -----Original Message----- From: Guywithatele@aol.com [mailto:Guywithatele@aol.com] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 9:19 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: delay time part ii My bad. Let me be clearer: I'm not trying to tap new times or to change from, for example, 3000ms to 2775ms by way of a single, discrete change. I'm trying to locate a delay system where smooth transitions from one delay time to another are accomplished without the glitchy, herky-jerky "artifacts" my current delay renders. I think it may be a current technological impossibility, though: to scroll through a 225ms (or whatever the situation calls for) change-in-delay-time without necessitating a portamento glide effect or that re-calculating gl-llli-itttt-cch--ch-hhh-n-lock. I was hoping that someone may know of a higher-end delay unit that could accomplish smooth transitions. Maybe I need an analog tape-type delay with very accurate time codes. Tape loops, me'be? Do these exist? or are digital racks the only precise delay units at the moment. Thanks again! > Anyone know of a delay unit that can glitchlessly > change delay times as signal is being fed to it? > E.g., in my current processor (DP/4, Ensoniq), > altering a delay time from 3000ms to 2775ms as it > receives signal causes (understandable) herky-jerky > effects. I'd like to know if anyone has used a > (digital) delay that allows for minute changes > smoothly. > > Thank you. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 22:54:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2B3q3300689; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 22:52:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 22:52:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-envelope-info: Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 19:48:20 -0800 Subject: Re: delay time part ii Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Landman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1D348424.150C053E.2437D650@aol.com> Message-Id: <4CE8045C-5374-11D7-BC0C-00039375AF3C@sonic.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think you've got about 3 choices here, 1) "Glitchy" clicks to one degree or another... 2) Portamento ( which your tape loop will do as well...) 3) Silence for one period of the delay time to clear out the buffer... One thing the old Eventide H3000 boxes do that I think is cool is allow you to control the speed of "portamento", it can be a quick "zip" or a slow "siren" to the new time. ML On Monday, March 10, 2003, at 06:19 PM, Guywithatele@aol.com wrote: > My bad. Let me be clearer: I'm not trying to tap new times or to change > from, for example, 3000ms to 2775ms by way of a single, discrete > change. I'm trying to locate a delay system where smooth transitions > from one delay time to another are accomplished without the glitchy, > herky-jerky "artifacts" my current delay renders. I think it may be a > current technological impossibility, though: to scroll through a 225ms > (or whatever the situation calls for) change-in-delay-time without > necessitating a portamento glide effect or that re-calculating > gl-llli-itttt-cch--ch-hhh-n-lock. I was hoping that someone may know of > a higher-end delay unit that could accomplish smooth transitions. Maybe > I need an analog tape-type delay with very accurate time codes. Tape > loops, me'be? Do these exist? or are digital racks the only precise > delay units at the moment. Thanks again! > >> Anyone know of a delay unit that can glitchlessly >> change delay times as signal is being fed to it? >> E.g., in my current processor (DP/4, Ensoniq), >> altering a delay time from 3000ms to 2775ms as it >> receives signal causes (understandable) herky-jerky >> effects. I'd like to know if anyone has used a >> (digital) delay that allows for minute changes >> smoothly. >> >> Thank you. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 10 23:24:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2B4JTE06304; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 23:19:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 23:19:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030311041606.67714.qmail@web11402.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 20:16:06 -0800 (PST) From: "Rich R." Subject: Re: delay time part ii To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1D348424.150C053E.2437D650@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Basically, what you're looking for is a delay that, as the time gradually decreases, and the sample rate increases, the sample itself is also pitch corrected in correlation with the change in sample rate. You could probably get away with running the delay into a pitch-shifter, and assigning the delay time and pitch shift amount to the same CC with the up pedal and down pedal values being set appropriately. I would imagine that this would only work well with shorter delay times, although I'm certain it would sound cool, but probably not what you're looking for, with longer times. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 00:54:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2B5pfK16916; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 00:51:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 00:51:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: (was) Tubes!/more band names From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030310134835.18626.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030310134835.18626.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 10 Mar 2003 23:54:31 -0500 Message-Id: <1047358473.2939.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 2003-03-10 at 08:48, Tim Nelson wrote: > > --- Dave Stagner wrote: > > metal-pounding thug[s], > > Looping9string wrote: > 23 hertz..., > > and someone a day or so ago wrote: > > < The Wrath of Kim > > When we do our regional looping festivals that feature > solo sets and then ad hoc ensembling, the pickup > groups could get their names straight outa the list > messages! Actually, i'm trying to talk my drummer into a band name that's not a far cry from "metal-pounding thugs". Since we're playing mostly ambient improv, i like the irony. -- -dave "...'cause she knows that it's demanding to defeat those evil machines..." -The Flaming Lips, _Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots pt. 1_ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 01:13:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2B6BJP19496; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 01:11:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 01:11:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017601c2e762$6d5a9760$f6259e40@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <9F5CC462-519C-11D7-974A-0003934CD2FA@zerocrossing.net> <3E6CE2E3.4080001@quik.com> <3E6CEF3E.63418444@zerocrossing.net> <3E6D516C.50009@quik.com> Subject: Re: Tubes! They do a ____ good! (was Re: Info on Hughes & KettnerReplex Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 00:08:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "I actually would like to upgrade to an Alembic FB-2" superb preamp. i use one. if you have any questions, email me. i used a 64 bf showman for the longest time, so the alembic was the natural choice when i went "rack". -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 01:42:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2B6XBa20908; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 01:33:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 01:33:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bc01c2e79f$722726e0$a538fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <1D348424.150C053E.2437D650@aol.com> Subject: Analog delay virtual oscillator trick... Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 23:25:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sometimes instead of taking a conventional solo, I will do my I-wish-I-was-a-DJ-or-at-least-playing-a-Minimoog-instead-of-electric-bass bit. Play a high note (e.g. a 12th fret G, 24th fret G harmonic, or something), turn on your analog delay and let the note ring while the delay feeds back on itself. Because of the lo-fi analog nature of the thing after a few repeats the note loses most of its attack and it's almost like a tone from an oscillator. Then I will kick on the Electro-Harmonix Bass Microsynth (could use any kind of filter though) and I will use the delay time knob to tweak the pitch around, and add/remove the pitch shifted voices, and sweep the filter up and down manually on the Microsynth. Unless you have really spent some time practicing this and can make it rhythmic, it could be just a bunch of noise. But, if there's a wicked drum beat going on behind you, no one is going to care. :) Hence my usage of an accompanying loop in this demo MP3. Yes, this is tasteless, but I wanted to illustrate as many wankage options as I could for you all. http://www.neoprimitive.net/jlucas/tmp/analogdelaywank.mp3 Signal chain is: Instrument (bass) --> Analog Delay (Moogerfooger MF-104) --> Filter/Pitchshifter (Electro-Harmonix Bass Microsynth) If you're not careful, at least on my unit, if you turn the delay time down too far you can lose the signal entirely, which is what happened to me at 1:04 in this .MP3 file. Thankfully, the Moogerfooger delay is so ruthless that if you turn the feedback up it can grab the last tiny smidgeon of whatever is left and bring it all the way back as something nasty -- kind of like the rotting corpses from Return of the Living Dead. I'm sure I'm not the first one to do something like this, but I thought I would share. My most loop-related post in days... -Jesse From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 01:47:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2B6g3Q21425; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 01:42:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 01:42:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030311064102.44402.qmail@web80205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 22:41:02 -0800 (PST) From: Kirkland Mack Subject: Re: Tubes! They do a ____ good! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <011a01c2e705$8dc44c60$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1139184260-1047364862=:44321" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1139184260-1047364862=:44321 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Aren't those Velocettes regular guitar amps though? I'm just looking for the power section, something like a Mesa 2:90 in a much smaller package, like about 30 watts, that will produce great power tube saturation when cranked. Seems like someone youd have designed a power amp with power tube overdrive in mind by now. It also seems like someone should have been smart enough to develop a hybrid amp that has an SS preamp with a tube power section by now. Anyone here spent a considerable amount of time playing a Peavey Bandit II? They sound fantastic and have tons of different good sounds. If I could get (or gut) one of those preamps in a standalone unit and run it into a cranked low watt tube power amp I'll bet it would sound rip roar! David Beardsley wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Stagner" > On Sun, 2003-03-09 at 03:49, Kirkland Mack wrote: > > > > It is absolutely RIDICULOUS that TB preamps are not commonplace. >Does anyone know of a tube power amp around 10-30 watts that has >very pleasing tone when cranked? > > I have a pair of Trace-Elliot Velocette amps. Very nice. These are now the Gibson Goldtone amps. Gibson bought Trace Elliot. * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db --0-1139184260-1047364862=:44321 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Aren't those Velocettes regular guitar amps though? I'm just looking for the power section, something like a Mesa 2:90 in a much smaller package, like about 30 watts, that will produce great power tube saturation when cranked. Seems like someone youd have designed a power amp with power tube overdrive in mind by now. It also seems like someone should have been smart enough to develop a hybrid amp that has an SS preamp with a tube power section by now. Anyone here spent a considerable amount of time playing a Peavey Bandit II? They sound fantastic and have tons of different good sounds. If I could get (or gut) one of those preamps in a standalone unit and run it into a cranked low watt tube power amp I'll bet it would sound rip roar!

 David Beardsley <db@biink.com> wrote:

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Stagner"

> On Sun, 2003-03-09 at 03:49, Kirkland Mack wrote:
> >
> > It is absolutely RIDICULOUS that TB preamps are not commonplace.
>Does anyone know of a tube power amp around 10-30 watts that has
>very pleasing tone when cranked?
>
> I have a pair of Trace-Elliot Velocette amps.

Very nice. These are now the Gibson Goldtone amps.
Gibson bought Trace Elliot.


* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db

--0-1139184260-1047364862=:44321-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 02:57:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2B7spU27195; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 02:54:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 02:54:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 23:52:37 -0800 Subject: Re: FCB1010 + EDP -- control change or note? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <6D2C8C7C-5396-11D7-92A4-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The one thing I remember from programing the FCB1010 to control a Repeater is be careful when you read the manual. They refer to "footswitch" to mean it's footswitch out when controlling a Behringer guitar amp. It can be confusing. Oh yeah, and the numbers may be off by one depending on if it's set up to go 0-127 or 1-128. Be patient. It's a pretty good midi controller. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 04:28:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2B979N01486; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 04:07:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 04:07:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <4a.1970daec.2b9eff6e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 03:59:26 EST Subject: Re: delay time part ii To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > to scroll through a 225ms (or whatever the situation calls for) change-in- > delay-time without necessitating a portamento glide effect or that re- > calculating gl-llli-itttt-cch--ch-hhh-n-lock. The nearest you'll get is a crossfade between the 2 distinct delay times. Essentially a 2 tap delay is necessary, fade out one tap, fade in the other. You could look for a processor which does morphing between 2 different delay times. Some units will sound better if you change the delay time directly from MIDI (or by changing to a similar patch with different delay) OR Use 2 cheap delays in series, and crossfade the wet/dry controls. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 06:53:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BBpMQ13073; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 06:51:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 06:51:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030311124855.01619ec0@pop.free.fr> X-Sender: waveform@pop.free.fr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:50:27 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: daviD Subject: Re: CHEAP SOLUTION to Breakbeat creation for Live Looping In-Reply-To: <200303110646.h2B6k6d21893@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-4E0F3EC6; boundary="=======2CA84EDE=======" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=======2CA84EDE======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-4E0F3EC6; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 18:18:28 -0800 >From: Mark Hamburg >To: "Looper's Delight" >Subject: Re: CHEAP SOLUTION to Breakbeat creation for Live Looping was: > BREAKBEATS.................. > >But can you save patterns while playing? >My ideal machine would let me do the following: >1. Switch/load patterns while playing (most let you do that). By load, I >mean that if there is an active edit buffer, then you can load into that. I >don't care about loading from external media. >2. Save while playing. >3. Have good controls for editing while playing. Including controller >recording, erase, etc. >4. Ideally, I'd like a TR-style grid mode, but I can probably live without >it. >5. Muting "parts" is also pretty useful. Get a MAM SQ16 (pattern based midi sequencer) and use it to control an external sound device. You'll get everything you mentioned and much more... "What sounds to you like a big load of trashy old noise is in fact the brilliant music of the genius, myself" Iggy Pop --=======2CA84EDE=======-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 07:33:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BCSx616734; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 07:28:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 07:28:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 07:29:26 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Tubes! They do a ____ good! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <012701c2e7c9$dac0b3e0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20030311064102.44402.qmail@web80205.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Kirkland Mack >Aren't those Velocettes regular guitar amps though? I'm just >looking for the power section, something like a Mesa 2:90 in >a much smaller package, like about 30 watts, that will produce >great power tube saturation when cranked. They are guitar amps, but at 30 watts, they would get power tube saturation with no effort at all. Isn't there a half power switch on the 2:90? * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 07:41:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BCalh17326; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 07:36:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 07:36:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c2e7d2$e25eb080$a538fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030311124855.01619ec0@pop.free.fr> Subject: EDP LoopIV SUSMute question... Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 05:34:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <_FnSFD.A.iKE.Ifdb-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com EDP Gurus- The SUS commands are supposed to be available at any time via DirectMIDI, regardless of the settings of the EDP parameters in regards to quantization, correct? They're supposed to function as sustained button press commands, right? That would only make sense... But Mute is not working as I would think it should if this were the case. I am syncing to MIDI clock from a sequencer, 168BPM. Quantize=CYC, 8ths/Cycle=8, Sync=In, MuteMode=Cnt, SamplerStyle=StA, Source#=36, LoopTrig#=84. I trigger loop 1 (previously recorded) with note #84, and four bars later I want the sequencer to mute every other eighth note of the loop while it continues to play. I thought I would just put in some SUSMute commands on the EDP control track, but when it hits those SUSMutes it goes into "ooo" mode and never mutes, even through eight SUSMutes (note #54) seperated by eighth notes. I think I would rather keep things synced to CYC, but if I have to change to 8th mode, then I guess I will. -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 08:03:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BCvge18802; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 07:57:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 07:57:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c2e7d6$0d5929c0$a538fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030311124855.01619ec0@pop.free.fr> Subject: EDP ReAlign vs. QuantStartPoint... Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 05:56:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <8hPvzD.A.8kE.Z0db-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com EDP Gurus- ReAlign and QuantStartPoint. I am a little unclear about which of these two commands is better suited to getting the EDP back on track with a MIDI clock. The way I understand it is that, after the initial cycle length is calculated, the EDP ignores the clock. After about sixteen bars I can hear that it's drifted off course slightly and I would like to get it to listen to the clock again to get the loops back in time. I guess I'm a little confused as to exactly what the Global and Local StartPoints are derived from. Does the EDP actually continue to listen to the clock and use that as the Global StartPoint, and then it listens to the cycle length it calculated and calls the beginning of each of those cycles the Local StartPoint? [reading manual intently] Alright, I guess here's a better question: Quantize=CYC, 8ths/Cycle=8, SamplerStyle=StA, Source#=36. If I trigger a ReAlign via MIDI on beat four of a bar while I'm in loop 2, and then trigger loop 1 via MIDI to start on beat one of the following bar, will it quantize loop 1 to the Global StartPoint? The manual says... ... - ReAlign (Restart the current loop at the next MIDI beat 1) ... ...which implies that since I was in loop 2 when I initiated the ReAlign it wouldn't ReAlign the loop that I'm switching to. True or false? -Jesse From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 09:03:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BE0pG25985; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:00:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:00:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Breshears" Sender: "Kevin Breshears" To: Subject: EDP ? how to save presets?? Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 07:58:46 -0600 Message-ID: <01c101c2e7d6$57d74ae0$a241040a@kevin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01C2_01C2E7A4.0D3E6180" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01C2_01C2E7A4.0D3E6180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can anyone tell me how to dump/save myt presets via midi? I want to back them up on either my alesis midi disk or I could with midi Ox . . . 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------=_NextPart_000_01C2_01C2E7A4.0D3E6180-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 09:14:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BEBbm27191; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:11:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:11:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:10:52 -0500 From: Guywithatele@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: delay time part ii MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <7C27776C.7F704AE6.2437D650@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 3/10/2003 10:34:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, dennis@mail.worldserver.com writes: > I.e., try an alternate > universe to eliminate this effect... Muhaahaaaa... best suggestion yet. Wonder if they burn oil over there? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 09:49:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BElNw30571; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:47:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:47:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 08:38:04 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: Re: tascam 4 track as looper? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oops-i was talking about my ANALOG tascam 4-track (don't want it to go to waste). thanks to daryl for the info and richard for the tape length options. i will have to head to radio shack and inquire about that..... thanks for the help/advice!!!! s--- >At 11:50 AM -0600 3/10/03, Scott Hansen wrote: >>a while back i thought there was some posts about >>using a 4 track recorder (i have a tascam) as a looper. >>is this possible? > >It's not clear if you're talking about an analog or digital recorder. > >I have a Tascam Porta One recorder that I've sometimes used in >performances, mostly for playback. However, since it is designed for >multitrack recording and overdubbing it is possible to record live. >If you use a loop cassette you could do some looping, but the loop >length would be constrained by the length of the cassette loop. >Endless loop cassettes are available in 1, 3, 6, and 12 minute >lengths. >-- > >______________________________________________________________ >Richard Zvonar, PhD >(818) 788-2202 >http://www.zvonar.com >http://RZCybernetics.com -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 10:09:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BF4aY00993; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:04:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:04:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030311150342.20069.qmail@web40503.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 07:03:42 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Your Request for Behringer FCB 1010 new O.S. upgrades To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <006901c2e775$34e4e080$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To all FCB 1010 users, One of the features missing in the FCB 1010 is the toggle and momentary switch mode, which would allow us to know the state of the pedal. For example if i want to mute individual tracks on the repeater or turn FXs on and off on my guitar preamp i have no way of knowing which one is on or off.It is very frustating muting a track from the repeater and after switching banks and doing tap dancing not knowing which track is muted and which one isn´t. So since many of you use the FCB 1010 i want to gather your signatures so that i can write Behringer and maybe they will work on a new o.s.I requested this a while ago and they said they would work on new upgrades only depending on the demand.You could of course write them personally as well. Please write other features you would like to have and i will foward it to them. Just an idea L.a ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 10:25:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BFLfe02521; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:21:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:21:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:12:23 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: finally good family feedback on loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com last night i was listening to my rough mixes of loops for my next cd project. my wife comes in and says "this is interesting, who is this playing?" i said: "it's me". she said: "you? that sounds pretty good". that's the first positive feedback i've gotten from her on my loops. perspectives are changing in our house a bit, or at least a little bit at a time.... that's my story to share for today. s---- ps-the normal feedback to when loop-based music is playing in the household has been "that's noise". -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 11:08:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BG3eN09826; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:03:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:03:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 08:02:17 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: tascam 4 track as looper? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:38 AM -0600 3/11/03, Scott Hansen wrote: >thanks to...richard for the tape length options. >>Endless loop cassettes are available in 1, 3, 6, and 12 minute lengths. Those lengths were what I found on a quick Web search. Radio Shack has: 20-second http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F001%5F001%5F001%5F004&product%5Fid=43%2D401 30-second http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F001%5F001%5F001%5F004&product%5Fid=43%2D402 They also have 30-minute endless cassettes, useful for sound installations. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 11:44:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BGcww14030; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:38:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:38:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <026801c2e7ba$37e8eb60$f6259e40@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <6D2C8C7C-5396-11D7-92A4-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: FCB1010 + EDP -- control change or note? Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:37:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i think it's just the skimpy manual...very little detail and their terminology is bizarre. if the manual were better-written, i don't think kids would have nearly the hard time that they do. thanks for the tips...now back to pulling my hair out! -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 11:58:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BGqRe15598; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:52:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:52:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 08:51:24 -0800 Subject: Re: finally good family feedback on loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: <_-Mly.A.ryD.NQhb-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can't tell you how many times that's happened to me. Best response ever? "I imagine this is the music that would be playing in my head if I were insane." Perhaps. While listening to King Crimson's "Dig Me" the same girl remarked, "Do these guys know how to play?" I consider myself perhaps one of the luckiest men in the world. When I met my wife and showed her my loop rig (perhaps you'd like to see my etchings?) she looked at me lovingly and said, "Ooooo an eBow!" Her favorite album was David Sylvian and Robert Fripp's The First Day. That was a no brainer. Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, at 07:12 AM, Scott Hansen wrote: > > ps-the normal feedback to when loop-based music > is playing in the household has been "that's noise". From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 12:00:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BGsT215905; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:54:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:54:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: FCB1010 + EDP -- control change or note? Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:53:41 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <004001c2e7ee$c50b9ae0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <026801c2e7ba$37e8eb60$f6259e40@g0wn7> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h2BGriM15742 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jim, I remember a lot of people posted rather detailed walk-throughs for programming the FCB1010. Must be available by searching the LD archives. Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com --> 1st Swedish Looping Festival > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: jimfowler [mailto:jimfowler@prodigy.net] > Skickat: den 11 mars 2003 11:37 > Till: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Ämne: Re: FCB1010 + EDP -- control change or note? > > > i think it's just the skimpy manual...very little detail and > their terminology is bizarre. if the manual were > better-written, i don't think kids would have nearly the hard > time that they do. > > thanks for the tips...now back to pulling my hair out! > > -jim > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 12:02:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BGuq116253; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:56:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:56:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 08:58:14 -0800 Subject: Re: CHEAP SOLUTION to Breakbeat creation for Live Looping From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030311124855.01619ec0@pop.free.fr> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 3/11/03 3:50 AM, daviD at waveform@free.fr wrote: > Get a MAM SQ16 (pattern based midi sequencer) and use it to control an > external sound device. > You'll get everything you mentioned and much more... Thanks. Now, if only they weren't out of production. I may need to go hunting. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 12:15:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BH81A19467; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:08:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:08:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-envelope-info: Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:10:04 -0800 Subject: Re: Analog delay virtual oscillator trick... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Landman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <00bc01c2e79f$722726e0$a538fc0c@amd> Message-Id: <4D1F9CF4-53E4-11D7-BC0C-00039375AF3C@sonic.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Jesse- Nice tweakage, I love this sound... Dennis Leas, how can we get Kyma to do a regenerating delay line with this much character? I used to do similar things with an old MXR green analog delay, getting it regenerating at max delay time time, then quickly turning the delay to minimum, sounded like the tape on my Teac recorder had ripped in two... Best- Mark On Monday, March 10, 2003, at 11:25 PM, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > Sometimes instead of taking a conventional solo, I will do my > I-wish-I-was-a-DJ-or-at-least-playing-a-Minimoog-instead-of-electric-bass > bit. > > Play a high note (e.g. a 12th fret G, 24th fret G harmonic, or > something), > turn on your analog delay and let the note ring while the delay feeds > back > on itself. Because of the lo-fi analog nature of the thing after a few > repeats the note loses most of its attack and it's almost like a tone > from > an oscillator. Then I will kick on the Electro-Harmonix Bass Microsynth > (could use any kind of filter though) and I will use the delay time > knob to > tweak the pitch around, and add/remove the pitch shifted voices, and > sweep > the filter up and down manually on the Microsynth. > > Unless you have really spent some time practicing this and can make it > rhythmic, it could be just a bunch of noise. But, if there's a wicked > drum > beat going on behind you, no one is going to care. :) Hence my usage > of an > accompanying loop in this demo MP3. Yes, this is tasteless, but I > wanted to > illustrate as many wankage options as I could for you all. > > http://www.neoprimitive.net/jlucas/tmp/analogdelaywank.mp3 > > Signal chain is: Instrument (bass) --> Analog Delay (Moogerfooger > MF-104) --> Filter/Pitchshifter (Electro-Harmonix Bass Microsynth) > > If you're not careful, at least on my unit, if you turn the delay time > down > too far you can lose the signal entirely, which is what happened to me > at > 1:04 in this .MP3 file. Thankfully, the Moogerfooger delay is so > ruthless > that if you turn the feedback up it can grab the last tiny smidgeon of > whatever is left and bring it all the way back as something nasty -- > kind of > like the rotting corpses from Return of the Living Dead. > > I'm sure I'm not the first one to do something like this, but I > thought I > would share. > > My most loop-related post in days... > > -Jesse > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 12:16:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BHCLa20018; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:12:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:12:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:13:33 -0800 Subject: Re: finally good family feedback on loops From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7DSm3B.A.R3E.Fjhb-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've noticed that I've gotten far more interest in my CD from a few co-workers than I get at home. I wouldn't describe the home environment as unsupportive. More just disinterested. Mark P.S. Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Her favorite album was David Sylvian and Robert Fripp's The First Day. Arguably some of the best work by either Fripp or Sylvian (though it competes with Damage). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 12:24:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BHGDs20690; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:16:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:16:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:15:36 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Re: delay time + Echo Pro ? In-Reply-To: <20030310220459.28182.qmail@web11401.mail.yahoo.com> References: <363C4F0C.6B004D3D.2437D650@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: <0f3fb0415170b33PCOW034M@blueyonder.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h2BHFBM20330 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, This thread prompts me to ask a couple of things about the Line 6 Echo Pro. I have a DL4 and want more of it, programmability, MIDI syncable delays and more loop time etc. The Echo Pro is now going for £269 in Sound Control (UK) and I'm tempted, but I know that there are some problems as outlined before on LD. So, a couple of questions: 1. does the MIDI clock sync work accurately? and is there a facility for setting and saving the bar resolution within each programme? I mean so I have (for example) 3 saved valve delay model programmes each for MIDI clock control, 1 with delays coming back on 1/8th notes, another with 1/4 notes and the third 1/1 notes. I know I can tap tempo times in but I'm interested in automating much of this if possible. 2. Do you select the looper as 'another programme' with its own programme number? On the DL4 I have to manually switch it from delay to loop mode and back again and wonder if this can be controlled from a foot controller on the Echo Pro. 3. I know that there are problems with the looper syncing to MIDI clock. Is this totally unusable/unreliable or does the looper sync up to MIDI clock in some circumstances? I do aspire to an EDP, but can't afford one at the moment and would probably buy the Echo Pro as my main delay unit providing it can do what I want (particularly MIDI bar/beat delay resolution as above). Any experience of it would be good to hear about. Thanks. Ian. At 22:04 10/03/03 , you wrote: >I'll have to check a little later on to confirm this, >but I think my Echo Pro does.  That is, I've never >noticed glitching when I'm tapping in a new tempo.  If >you're talking patches with different delay times, the >Echo Pro will "glide" into the new patch very smoothly >(you can set the "glide" time).  You will hear the >glide, however, as it goes from one time to the other >but it catches up quickly, again occurs smoothly, and From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 12:35:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BHWXk23461; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:32:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:32:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:31:40 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Re: Your Request for Behringer FCB 1010 new O.S. upgrades In-Reply-To: <20030311150342.20069.qmail@web40503.mail.yahoo.com> References: <006901c2e775$34e4e080$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: <0a20e4431170b33PCOW057M@blueyonder.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h2BHVkM23323 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good idea. I'd also like to see the ability to make the CC and Note-on/off capability programme-specific rather than globally decided. So that I don't have to decide on one piece of gear to receive these messages. I'll sign Thanks. Ian. At 15:03 11/03/03 , you wrote: >To all FCB 1010 users, >One of the features missing in the FCB 1010 is the >toggle and momentary switch mode, which would allow us >to know the state of the pedal. For example if i want >to mute individual tracks on the repeater or turn FXs >on and off on my guitar preamp i have no way of >knowing which one is on or off.It is very frustating >muting a track from the repeater and after switching >banks and doing tap dancing not knowing which track is >muted and which one isn´t. >So since many of you use the FCB 1010 i want to gather >your signatures so that i can write Behringer and >maybe they will work on a new o.s.I requested this a >while ago and they said they would work on new >upgrades only depending on the demand.You could of >course write them personally as well. >Please write other features you would like to have and >i will foward it to them. >Just an idea >L.a > >===== >www.labalou.com > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online >http://webhosting.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 12:50:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BHjgH25309; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:45:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:45:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Your Request for Behringer FCB 1010 new O.S. upgrades Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:45:02 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c2e7f5$f1d8b470$542f04d1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <0a20e4431170b33PCOW057M@blueyonder.co.uk> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h2BHj4M25194 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com These things are on the 'Upgrade Wish List' on the FCB Yahoo Groups site. Every week or so, I forward this list to Behringer. It is frustrating to me that I can't control my EDP and send note on commands to my synth. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > Good idea. I'd also like to see the ability to make the CC > and Note-on/off capability programme-specific rather than > globally decided. So that I don't have to decide on one piece > of gear to receive these messages. > > I'll sign > Thanks. > > Ian. > > > At 15:03 11/03/03 , you wrote: > >To all FCB 1010 users, > >One of the features missing in the FCB 1010 is the > >toggle and momentary switch mode, which would allow us > >to know the state of the pedal. For example if i want > >to mute individual tracks on the repeater or turn FXs > >on and off on my guitar preamp i have no way of > >knowing which one is on or off.It is very frustating > >muting a track from the repeater and after switching > >banks and doing tap dancing not knowing which track is > >muted and which one isn´t. > >So since many of you use the FCB 1010 i want to gather > >your signatures so that i can write Behringer and > >maybe they will work on a new o.s.I requested this a > >while ago and they said they would work on new > >upgrades only depending on the demand.You could of > >course write them personally as well. > >Please write other features you would like to have and > >i will foward it to them. > >Just an idea > >L.a > > > >===== > >www.labalou.com > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online > >http://webhosting.yahoo.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 12:50:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BHjUv25271; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:45:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:45:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030310223635.035b6dd0@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:36:41 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: Texture In-Reply-To: <3E6CF874.D8B91392@zerocrossing.net> References: <3E3AE1880002AF64@mta8.wss.scd.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:41 PM 3/10/2003 -0700, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: >Roger Powell from Utopia heads the Finalcut Pro team at Apple? Will >wonders never cease. Didn't Todd have something to do with the >VideoToaster? Powell working on Finalcut Pro doesn't surprise me. If I remember correctly, he was one of the first Pop artists (along with Larry Fast) to evangelize digital synthesis/sequencing. This was during the 70's -- before anyone had even conceived of MIDI, much less adding a computer to the mix. He's always been a major hexhead. As for Rundgren, you're correct: he was heavily involved with the Toaster, although I don't recall if it were from a design standpoint or merely as an alpha-tester. However, he is credited with producing some of the first music videos using computer animation, and these were done exclusively on the Video Toaster. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 12:51:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BHl9525443; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:47:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:47:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: illness@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <1046940151.3e6709f7cd9ec@www.suitandtieguy.com> <010201c2e5bf$c1e21a50$08f49840@g0wn7> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:53:02 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mike iLL Subject: Re: breakbeats -- the quest for a groovebox Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you can also use a MINIdisc player or even an MP3 player if your loops are static and don't need to start at an exact time. >actually most of those guys weren't using computers till fairly >recently. I know squarepusher did his first few albums with a drum >machine and a sampler. He used the drum machine as his sequencer. > >Ernesto > >On Sat, 8 Mar 2003 22:12:05 -0000, jimfowler wrote: > >>i'm assuming guys like aphex twin, squarepusher, muziq, etc. are all using >>their computers for the beats, but are there any hardware boxes that will >>produce good breakbeat-style beats? that's mainly what i'm looking for: >>breakbeats and down-tempo r&b stuff. >> >>if only i had a titanium powerbook... >> >>-jim >> >> >> > >-- >ernesto schnack >http://schnack.does.it From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 12:55:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BHo8R25829; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:50:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:50:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030311174859.93168.qmail@web11402.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:48:59 -0800 (PST) From: "Rich R." Subject: Re: delay time + Echo Pro ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0f3fb0415170b33PCOW034M@blueyonder.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5QRS3D.A.tQG.NGib-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ian, > 1. does the MIDI clock sync work accurately? and is > there a facility for > setting and saving the bar resolution within each > programme? I mean so I have > (for example) 3 saved valve delay model programmes > each for MIDI clock > control, > 1 with delays coming back on 1/8th notes, another > with 1/4 notes and the third > 1/1 notes. I know I can tap tempo times in but I'm > interested in automating > much of this if possible. I don't use the MIDI sync, but from what I've gathered from other users who do that there is a possibility the sync doesn't work well, but that it also depends on how it's set up and what unit is providing the midi clock. Frankly, I wouldn't let this issue alone be a determining factor in the purchase of an Echo Pro because from what I understand most manufacturers have difficulty implementing this feature successfully %100 of the time. Regarding the bar resolution, yes, you can save the resolution per program, and you can even morph between resolutions per program with an expression pedal or CC. > 2. Do you select the looper as 'another programme' > with its own programme > number? On the DL4 I have to manually switch it from > delay to loop mode and > back again and wonder if this can be controlled from > a foot controller on the > Echo Pro. Yes, it can be done using a foot controller. I use a FCB1010 with mine and have a regular set-up and expanded set-up which if you'd like I can detail further. In essence, though, you can start looping at any time with a single press of a pedal (no need to switch programs first, the looping starts and program change occurs with one press). > 3. I know that there are problems with the looper > syncing to MIDI clock. Is > this totally unusable/unreliable or does the looper > sync up to MIDI clock in > some circumstances? The looper does not sync to any clock. The delay that accompanies the looper does, but not the looper itself. > I do aspire to an EDP, but can't afford one at the > moment and would probably > buy the Echo Pro as my main delay unit providing it > can do what I want > (particularly MIDI bar/beat delay resolution as > above). Any experience of it > would be good to hear about. > I love my Echo Pro. It combined with my 7.6 Time Machine make a nice looping combo for me. You can assign basically any parameter to a CC or the expression pedal, or you can save "scenes" per program so the expression pedal down = scene 1 settings (for example, nearly dry mix, few repeats) and pedal up = scene 2 (wet mix, many repeats, modulation) and the pedal sweep obviously transforms the program between the two settings or "scenes." This alone is very handy. The looper does a max of two minutes on half speed, 1 minute on regular speed, but even at half speed the fidelity is good. You can access half speed and reverse at the same time (unlike the DL-4). The only problem I have with it, and this isn't really a problem, is that unless you set up a bank on your pedal board to exclusively control the Echo Pro, then your loop, overdub, and stop functions operate like the multi-button presses you have to do on a DL-4. For example, on my FCB1010, most banks are set up where I have a dedicated tap tempo and two other pedals to control the looper. The remaining 7 pedals I use to control the rest of my rig. One bank I have set up to include the reverse and hald speed functins, so that's two more buttons gone, but 5 left to control the rig is plenty. In these configurations, you have to double press the overdub or stop loop pedals depending on what you pressed last, because like on the DL-4, these functions are handled by 2 pedals. I hope this makes sense. Anyway, if I were to use up all ten pedals in a bank on my FCB1010, I could get around the double presses, but it's not a big deal so I haven't bothered. Regards, Rich __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 13:19:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BIDur29958; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:13:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:13:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:12:06 -0500 From: Mooveetoon@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Collaborator wanted MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <7B357ECD.1E769533.0C32E62B@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am a composer in my 40's living in Long Island looking for a collaborator for film scores and other non-related projects. My composing strengths lie in the originality and variety of style but I am looking for someone who is more grounded in textures and rhythms to balance out my tendancies. Any interest, please write to mooveetoon@aol.com Adam Kane From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 13:22:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BIGjA30266; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:16:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:16:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:12:13 -0800 From: Patrick Bolan Subject: RE: finally good family feedback on loops In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-to: pbolan@csiconstruction.com Message-id: <001101c2e7f9$be46f730$fc03030a@Patrickbolan2> Organization: CSI Construction MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My wife is very supportive, but not from 11pm to 7am. She says she can hear me not only playing into headphones, but kicking the loop and fx pedals with my feet. I guess it keeps her awake. Egads! Patrick -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hamburg [mailto:mark_hamburg@baymoon.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 9:14 AM To: Looper's Delight Subject: Re: finally good family feedback on loops I've noticed that I've gotten far more interest in my CD from a few co-workers than I get at home. I wouldn't describe the home environment as unsupportive. More just disinterested. Mark P.S. Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Her favorite album was David Sylvian and Robert Fripp's The First Day. Arguably some of the best work by either Fripp or Sylvian (though it competes with Damage). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 13:35:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BIQiw31677; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:26:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:26:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030311114010.0373be38@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:25:43 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: OT: elektron machinedrum -- groovebox issues In-Reply-To: <005a01c2e698$aebffb70$16f79840@g0wn7> References: <029901c2e6c5$dc3c99a0$dc62f93f@global> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:04 AM 3/10/2003 +0000, jimfowler wrote: >anybody have experience with elektron's machinedrum? apparently, it's a >pretty powerful drum machine, but that's about all i can tell...not too >many users, it seems. Jim, I've been an Elektron user for a few years now (Sidstation), so while I don't actually own a Machinedrum, I've been keeping up with it since it went into Beta. If you're really into percussion synthesis, it's a great box, with 4 different 'machines' (synthesis architectures) emulating analog synthesis, sample-playback, and even simple FM. Its sequencing is an extension of the programming interface found on classic Roland drumboxes like the TR-909/808/606 series. That may be a good thing or a bad thing depending on your personal preferences. There are, however, some known issues (read: bugs) regarding controlling and sequencing other equipment from it. Also, I've heard of some glitches while syncing MTC. I don't think I'd rely on it to lock with an EDP or Repeater. You can find plenty of people who will evangelize to you ad infinitum over on the Elektron-Users list at Yahoo Groups (check the archives for some more detail on those bugs). Personally, I've some reservations. When Elektron first began offering it, they opened ti up at a reduced price of $800 to their previous customers. I scrambled like crazy to come up with the cash, but couldn't make the deadline. Now the price is up to ~$1200 ($1100 + customs duty). For $800, I'd consider grabbing it for the synthesis engines alone. At one-&-a-half times that price, however, the value-proposition has gone out the window for me. As always, though, YMMV. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 13:35:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BILaM30762; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:21:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:21:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030311182052.7451.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:20:52 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Tubes! They do a ____ good! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030311064102.44402.qmail@web80205.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Kirkland Mack wrote: > > Aren't those Velocettes regular guitar amps though? Yep. > I'm just looking for the > power section, something like a Mesa 2:90 in a much smaller package, like about > 30 watts, that will produce great power tube saturation when cranked. How about a THD Univalve? It has a preamp, but you can tailor the preamp gain by tube selection. > It also seems like someone should have been smart enough to develop a > hybrid amp that has an SS preamp with a tube power section by now. MusicMan had a good sounding hybred amp like that in the 70s or early 80s. SS preamp, tube power amp. I thought they sounded great, but for whatever reason, they weren't very popular. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 13:48:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BIeoa01361; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:40:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:40:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030311183717.90978.qmail@web80201.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:37:17 -0800 (PST) From: Jonathan Yandel Subject: second amp suggestions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200303111735.h2BHZcX23864@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1842747775-1047407837=:89786" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1842747775-1047407837=:89786 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Fellow loopers, I'd like some suggestions regarding expanding my looping rig to two (guitar) amps: one pre-loop and one post-loop, so I could process my loops whilst playing guitar over them--you know how it goes...anyway, currently I am using a Rivera 100 watt combo for my main guitar amp, sending the signal via the effects loop into my looping gear, and then taking that signal and sending it to a Roland 50 watt keyboard amp. Which, as you may have guessed, sounds pretty weak, especially for live situations. My question is this: would it be wise to match the power from my main amp (i.e., using another 100 watt tube amp), or is that unecessary, as my Rivera would already be amplifying the guitar signal in the frist place? As you can tell, amps are my weak subject, and any help would be wonderful. Thanks, jonathan --0-1842747775-1047407837=:89786 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Fellow loopers, I'd like some suggestions regarding expanding my looping rig to two (guitar) amps: one pre-loop and one post-loop, so I could process my loops whilst playing guitar over them--you know how it goes...anyway, currently I am using a Rivera 100 watt combo for my main guitar amp, sending the signal via the effects loop into my looping gear, and then taking that signal and sending it to a Roland 50 watt keyboard amp.  Which, as you may have guessed, sounds pretty weak, especially for live situations.  My question is this: would it be wise to match the power from my main amp (i.e., using another 100 watt tube amp), or is that unecessary, as my Rivera would already be amplifying the guitar signal in the frist place?  As you can tell, amps are my weak subject, and any help would be wonderful.

Thanks,

jonathan

 

--0-1842747775-1047407837=:89786-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 13:59:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BIncq02495; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:49:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:49:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <169.1bc78c78.2b9f893b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:47:23 EST Subject: Re: EDP LoopIV SUSMute question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > But Mute is not working as I wouldthink it should if this were the case.I am > syncing to MIDI clock from a sequencer, 168BPM. Quantize=CYC,8ths/Cycle=8, > Sync=In, MuteMode=Cnt, SamplerStyle=StA, Source#=36,LoopTrig#=84.I trigger > loop 1 (previously recorded) with note #84, and four bars later Iwant the > sequencer to mute every other eighth note of the loop while itcontinues to > play. I thought I would just put in some SUSMute commands onthe EDP control > track, but when it hits those SUSMutes it goes into "ooo"mode and never mutes, > even through eight SUSMutes (note #54) seperated byeighth notes. Well try it with Quant = OFF At the moment your EDP is in Quantise=CYC, with means that Mute will be quantised to a cycle length, (hence 000 waiting for the end of cycle). Quant=8th might work, but probably won't mute at the right time (unless the SUSMutes are placed a bit early in the sequence) Or better still, send MIDI volume CCs instead (0=Mute, 128 = full), which will allow you to have any rhythmic Mutes you like however you set Quantise. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 14:35:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BJRrF08678; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:27:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:27:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:27:02 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: second amp suggestions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003501c2e804$32314c40$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20030311183717.90978.qmail@web80201.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Yandel >Fellow loopers, I'd like some suggestions regarding expanding >my looping rig to two (guitar) amps: one pre-loop and one >post-loop, so I could process my loops whilst playing guitar >over them--you know how it goes...anyway, currently I am >using a Rivera 100 watt combo for my main guitar amp, sending >the signal via the effects loop into my looping gear, and then >taking that signal and sending it to a Roland 50 watt keyboard amp. >Which, as you may have guessed, sounds pretty weak, especially >for live situations. My question is this: would it be wise to >match the power from my main amp (i.e., using another 100 >watt tube amp), or is that unecessary, as my Rivera would >already be amplifying the guitar signal in the frist place? As >you can tell, amps are my weak subject, and any help would >be wonderful. >Thanks, >jonathan I'd try matching it. It's going to be damm loud! * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 14:44:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BJeND12120; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:40:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:40:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007f01c2e80e$16fbc4a0$a538fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <169.1bc78c78.2b9f893b@aol.com> Subject: Re: EDP LoopIV SUSMute question Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:37:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Or better still, send MIDI volume CCs instead (0=Mute, 128 = full), > which will allow you to have any rhythmic Mutes you like > however you set Quantise. > > andy butler Duh! Volume contol! Why didn't I think of that?! Thanks! It seems I conceived of the concept of DirectMIDI SUS differently than it is actually implemented. -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 14:48:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BJdwN12091; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:39:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:39:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:38:57 -0500 Subject: Re: Tubes! They do a ____ good! From: Jeffrey Lomas To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <011a01c2e705$8dc44c60$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dave, My favorite 30 watt amp is a Vox AC30. On 3/10/03 8:04, "David Beardsley" wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Stagner" > >> On Sun, 2003-03-09 at 03:49, Kirkland Mack wrote: >>> >>> It is absolutely RIDICULOUS that TB preamps are not commonplace. >> Does anyone know of a tube power amp around 10-30 watts that has >> very pleasing tone when cranked? >> >> I have a pair of Trace-Elliot Velocette amps. > > Very nice. These are now the Gibson Goldtone amps. > Gibson bought Trace Elliot. > > > * David Beardsley > * microtonal guitar > * http://biink.com/db > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 14:53:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BJlWb13209; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:47:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:47:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: second amp suggestions Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 20:44:01 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <004801c2e806$909f1df0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0049_01C2E80E.F26385F0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20030311183717.90978.qmail@web80201.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C2E80E.F26385F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, =20 I would suggest a simple line out from your looping gear to the house PA system. And make sure the PA is powerful enough to match your Rivera. If not you'll have to turn the Rivera down. Of course you can have a "second amp" as well, but it should be as sonically equal to a PA sound system as possible (not a Marshall top+cabs). You are perfectly right that the second amp shouldn't amplify your guitar signal - in fact you should turn the direct signal down on your looping gear. That way you can keep loops as loud as your guitar and still being able to play well by listening to your Rivera for the "playing monitoring" and listening to the other for deciding where to cut loops etc. Could also be a good idea to spread them a bit apart on stage. =20 Personally I have a Sovtek MIG60 (nice Russian tubes, jum-jum) with Marhall cabinettes as well as a GK combo but I always leave them at home for looping gigs. Instead I use a preamp with lined signals all the way. Oh yes, I do love that tube amp sound, but in my experience there is never enough sound check time or PA resources to get a good sounding balance between instrument amplifyer and loops. With a rack I know the levels for all my stuff and can simply provide a stereo out for the stage box. And I can soundcheck as much as I need with headphones, not to forget ;-) =20 Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com --> 1st Swedish Looping Festival=20 -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: Jonathan Yandel [mailto:jonathan_yandel@yahoo.com]=20 Skickat: den 11 mars 2003 19:37 Till: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =C4mne: second amp suggestions Fellow loopers, I'd like some suggestions regarding expanding my looping rig to two (guitar) amps: one pre-loop and one post-loop, so I could process my loops whilst playing guitar over them--you know how it goes...anyway, currently I am using a Rivera 100 watt combo for my main guitar amp, sending the signal via the effects loop into my looping gear, and then taking that signal and sending it to a Roland 50 watt keyboard amp. Which, as you may have guessed, sounds pretty weak, especially for live situations. My question is this: would it be wise to match the power from my main amp (i.e., using another 100 watt tube amp), or is that unecessary, as my Rivera would already be amplifying the guitar signal in the frist place? As you can tell, amps are my weak subject, and any help would be wonderful. Thanks, jonathan =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C2E80E.F26385F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Meddelande
Hi,
 
I=20 would suggest a simple line out from your looping gear to the house PA = system.=20 And make sure the PA is powerful enough to match your Rivera. If = not you'll=20 have to turn the Rivera down. Of course you can have a "second amp" = as=20 well, but it should be as sonically equal to a PA sound system as = possible (not=20 a Marshall top+cabs). You are perfectly right that the second amp = shouldn't=20 amplify your guitar signal - in fact you should turn the direct signal = down on=20 your looping gear. That way you can keep loops as loud as your guitar = and still=20 being able to play well by listening to your Rivera for the "playing = monitoring"=20 and listening to the other for deciding where to cut loops etc. Could = also be a=20 good idea to spread them a bit apart on stage.
 
Personally I have a Sovtek MIG60 (nice = Russian tubes,=20 jum-jum) with Marhall cabinettes as well as a GK combo but I always = leave them=20 at home for looping gigs. Instead I use a preamp with lined signals all = the way.=20 Oh yes, I do love that tube amp sound, but in my experience there is = never=20 enough sound check time or PA resources to get a good sounding balance = between=20 instrument amplifyer and loops. With a rack I know the levels for all my = stuff=20 and can simply provide a stereo out for the stage box. And I can = soundcheck as=20 much as I need with headphones, not to forget ;-)
 
Best = wishes

Per=20 Boysen
________________
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www.looproom.com --> = 1st=20 Swedish Looping Festival
-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
Fr=E5n: Jonathan = Yandel=20 [mailto:jonathan_yandel@yahoo.com]
Skickat: den 11 mars = 2003=20 19:37
Till: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
=C4mne:=20 second amp suggestions

Fellow loopers, I'd like some suggestions regarding expanding my = looping=20 rig to two (guitar) amps: one pre-loop and one post-loop, so I could = process=20 my loops whilst playing guitar over them--you know how it = goes...anyway,=20 currently I am using a Rivera 100 watt combo for my main guitar amp, = sending=20 the signal via the effects loop into my looping gear, and then taking = that=20 signal and sending it to a Roland 50 watt keyboard amp.  Which, = as you=20 may have guessed, sounds pretty weak, especially for live = situations.  My=20 question is this: would it be wise to match the power from my main amp = (i.e.,=20 using another 100 watt tube amp), or is that unecessary, as my Rivera = would=20 already be amplifying the guitar signal in the frist place?  As = you can=20 tell, amps are my weak subject, and any help would be wonderful.

Thanks,

jonathan

 

------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C2E80E.F26385F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 15:01:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BJlwC13364; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:47:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:47:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:43:23 -0500 Subject: [gig spam] Random stuff at the zeitgeist gallery!!! From: Jeffrey Lomas To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Amy Lomas, Michael LaMeyer, and I will be doing a set tomorrow night at the Zeitgeist Gallery in cambridge MA from 830pm to 930pm. Suggested donation is $5. Come if you can. Amy Lomas play piano and synth. Michael plays wave drum and electric guitar. I play acoustic guitar and some hand percussion. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 15:32:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BKGcc19187; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:16:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:16:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <856ABEC3-52A0-11D7-8002-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> References: <856ABEC3-52A0-11D7-8002-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:07:52 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: UPDATE: Re: Lexicon MPX G2 stupid clock Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <3LwZ5D.A.kdE.VIkb-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >No longer have an EDP to sync it to. The one I got was broken from >the factory, and it seemed like a long wait until I could get a new >one, so I opted to just wait until the EDP Blackface came out, and >haven't done it yet. oh, I did not realize you gave up on that one. No need, anything can be fixed. If you think that Shane does not do a good job, just mail me privately about it... > I could sync the 307 to the mpx g2 though, which is on my short list. yes, thats a good enough test, I would apreciate! > >Mark > >On Sunday, March 9, 2003, at 03:13 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: > >>> >>>Perfect loopage with the G2 receiving clock from a Roland MC-307. >> >>great! >> >>did you try the other way round, G2 being the master for the EDP slave? >>(sorry to insist...) >> >> >>-- >> >> >> ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 15:32:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BK64F18124; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:06:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:06:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: EDP LoopIV SUSMute question Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:02:21 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <005001c2e809$206e6290$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <007f01c2e80e$16fbc4a0$a538fc0c@amd> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Or better still, send MIDI volume CCs instead (0=Mute, 128 = full), > > which will allow you to have any rhythmic Mutes you like > however you > > set Quantise. > > > > andy butler > > Duh! Volume contol! Why didn't I think of that?! Thanks! > > It seems I conceived of the concept of DirectMIDI SUS > differently than it is actually implemented. > > -J A cool thing I found out about using midi volume is that if you are tweaking the volume level (midi cc 7) while overdubbing, then the volume changes are getting recorded and will "play back" with the next loop round. I discovered it back on LOOP3 (have not tried with LOOP4 yet) when playing with my midi guitar. I could "play" tremolo with the midi volume knob on the guitar. This way you can imprint your loop with a rhythmic tremolo pattern that is working together with the actual looped audio. Way fun! Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com --> 1st Swedish Looping Festival From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 15:33:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BKHaj19397; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:17:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:17:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003e01c2e6e4$f568e720$a538fc0c@amd> References: <20030304090026.69913.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> <006d01c2e244$849b77f0$d1ccf5d1@g0wn7> <009201c2e29d$9e19a9a0$a538fc0c@amd> <006c01c2e50c$6bac08c0$a538fc0c@amd> <003e01c2e6e4$f568e720$a538fc0c@amd> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:07:52 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Yamaha A5000 as pseudo-looper/sampler/effects processor (was Re: So you want an effects processor (A5000)?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Matthias: > >About direct-to-disk recording: > >I haven't heard anything about the recording directly to disk thing. It >doesn't seem like it would make much sense, because the sampler only has >128MB of RAM to play with, so why record anything longer than that? It >would take you a day and a half to send it to your computer via SCSI. huh? SCSI is very fast! Dont the have a SCSI hard drive in it so you can access it directly from the computer? >But you couldn't even do that, because you can only retrieve what's >in RAM on the sampler. amazing limitation! >What page of the manual does it mention this on? they dont offer the real manual on the site, only a general "samplers handbook" where it sais on page 23: "when ->Save is selected, it is automatically saved to disk and erased from memory after recording has finished." which can meand that they record to RAM first and only after the recording save to HD, so you you are probably right. > >About this routing: > >> - use one effect section before the EDP >> - the other effect section after the EDP >> - play back a sample > >You have two unbalanced ins on the front of the unit, a right-in and a >left-in. You can break those into two mono ins and route them to completely >different places. > >Here's an example of what you're asking about Matthias: You could put your >instrument in the Left in, run it through (for example) a chorus, delay, and >flange using effects blocks 1-3, then pipe the output of Effect-3 to the >Assignable Out (outputs 3 and 4), hook that into your EDP(s), then come >fromt the EDP's output into the Right in on the A5000, route that to effects >blocks 4-6, then route Effect-6 to the Stereo Out (outputs 1 and 2) on the >back of the sampler, and to your amp/mixer. yes, I got that part > >While the above is happening, the unit is still in Play mode and will behave >just as a sampler would if you weren't doing anything out of the ordinary. >However, since you've used up all your effects blocks (in my example I did, >although, you could just use one pre and one post EDP or any >combination you can make out of 6), you have nothing left to run >your samples through, >unless you want them going to the same outputs your EDP/instrument >signal is going to. right, so I was wondering whether it can do this internal mix of the external input with the internal sample. And the mixing should happen before the second effect section, otherwhise the sample is either recorded on the EDP (which may make sense, depending on the use) or its without reverb (which can be ok if its reverberated itself) > >About this routing: > >> - use one effect section before the EDP >> - the other effect section after the EDP >> - record at the output of one of the effect sections (either the >> original or the looped/effected signal) > >2. Recording like this doesn't work, because when the A4/5000 is in Record >mode it uses a special set of only three effects blocks on the signal which >you set up in the Record section of the sampler. You could run your signal >through these three effects and record what you did, but these three blocks >do not let you assign where their output goes because, since it's in record >mode, I guess they assume that you want the output to be recorded rather >than aux sent to China. I suspected a problem like that, but since it does not record a whole piece of music anyway, this is not an issue. > >> >It's not a device that's >> >designed for live, on-the-fly usage. The A5000 does not generate sync >(and >> >will only sync it's LFO [through which you can sync delay effects] to >> >external sync), however, so you would need some kind of brain (e.g. >> >sequencer) controlling things. *Or* you could program some kind of click > > >into a loop that would only go out of a specific output, and then pipe >> >that into the BeatSync jack on the EDP. >> >> I would set the trigger for that sample to the note the EDP emits > > normally at every loop end! > >Yes, I suppose you could do that, too. To make it work the other way >around, where the sampler follows your EDP... never felt like trying such things? > >> > Ha ha, no realtime recording/looping either. Although, you could >sample >> >a loop or a set of loops and put them in the A5000 and trigger them with >> >some kind of keyboard/foot controller, which you could then play over, >but >> >this would require work at home beforehand. >> >> why could I not do that on stage, for example for the bass line that >> runs through a whole piece? > >The recording process of the A-Series samplers is too cumbersome to do this, >I think. Even if you used the threshold control to automatically start >recording when you started playing and stop recording when you stopped, you >would still have to do some trimming to get the sample to be the right >length and to not click when it loops, then you would have to define the >loop points, define what kind of looping it was to do. If you tell the >sample that it is a loop, and have the Audition button set to toggle mode, >then it will play the sample over and over between the loop points and >adjust the audio while you move them around. This will help you find the >groove. If you practiced, you might get this process down under two >minutes, but I don't think it would be particularly cool to watch or listen >to. this would be for the case of slaving it to the EDP. So for example I have some theme going on the EDP and want to record the bass line separate (to keep it going forever after the theme elaborates and with less reverb, for example). So there would not be a need for loop points, since the EDP calls that sample over and over. If you only play up to shortly before the end of the loop, there should be no click either. Would it work quickly under this condition? It must be in the range of a one loop to be practical: you play the bass line, save it or whatever you have to do during the next turn arround and at the next, it should start playing... well, dont worry, at this point I am rather trying to give new perspectives to you and other possible sampler useres, because I dont feel any more that its the machine for me... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 15:33:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BK8TZ18423; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:08:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:08:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1047253306.3e6bd13a9f50b@www.suitandtieguy.com> References: <20030308071056.49372.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> <001501c2e555$9a94d060$a538fc0c@amd> <1047253306.3e6bd13a9f50b@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:07:52 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Non-linear sequencer (possible groovebox alternative)... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Quoting Matthias Grob : >> unfortunately the EDP does not handle tempo changes. I does not stop, >> but it looses sync. > >i've got to say that's one of my favourite features of the EDP. the most >irritating thing about the Repeater is that it doesn't free-run. if it did, i >wouldn't have this god awful loop-point click issue. Well, the reason why the EDP does not create a click is that it does not actively sync while its overdubbing. It ketches up again after the overdub. If you do a really long Overdub, it looses sync. Claude had the fantastic idea for the automatic loop start correction in case of a very long Overdub while FB is low: If the EDP is slaved and you reduce FB to keep renewing the theme, you loose sync. But it does not harm, since you are playing with the master and thus musically you dont loose the sync. So the EDP recognizes this situation and corrects its internal startpoint to match the musical reality instead of trying to correct the loop acording to the old technical start point, it moves that start point to where the music has shifted to. > >btw, i've found that running the feedback path of the repeater outside of it >makes a big difference. what, the frequency response changes? Or in respect to speed/clicks? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 15:33:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BKDWQ18966; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:13:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:13:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006e01c2e702$97fc7250$a538fc0c@amd> References: <20030304090026.69913.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> <006d01c2e244$849b77f0$d1ccf5d1@g0wn7> <009201c2e29d$9e19a9a0$a538fc0c@amd> <006c01c2e50c$6bac08c0$a538fc0c@amd> <003e01c2e6e4$f568e720$a538fc0c@amd> <006e01c2e702$97fc7250$a538fc0c@amd> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:07:52 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Yamaha A5000 sample dump to/from EDP... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thank you for this report, Jesse! > >2. The A5000 sample number system is off by one, compared to the EDP. seems to be a bug in the EDP, Dennis mentioned it >3. Sample upload to the EDP seemed faster when it was initiated as a send >from the A5000. does not make sense to me, but I may be wrong... >4. The loop I uploaded from the sampler (it happened to be a drum >loop) was causing the EDP to distort and the feedback light to glow >yellow almost all the time. This was fixable by backing off the >feedback for a frew >repetitions. Just curious if you knew why the sample (a well compressed, >normalized to digital zero sample) would cause so much havoc in the >EDP? Is the EDP on some other scale of digital zero? no, but it has an emphasis to improve noise. So if the sample uses full bass level it may distort in the analog stage. as a test: if you dont do the feedback reduction but set the MIX to center, does the distortion go away also? did you hear the sound difference cause by the emphasis? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 15:35:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BKERR19041; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:14:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:14:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:07:52 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Loop4 EXP mode: An observation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I've been using EXP mode a lot. great! sometimes its hard to create things that we *think* could be usefull, until somebody like you now confirms it! >But I realized tonight why. It's my "I don't >want to clutter things up with yet another footpedal" mode. There are >essentially 3 broad states for loop evolution for me: > >1. Overdubbing/Multiply: Here having less than 100% feedback is critical >since it allows one to replace material. > >2. Fading -- i.e., the only change to the loop is a fade toward silence: >Feedback is the essence of this mode. > >3. Holding -- i.e., keeping the loop from changing. > >Of these, I find that the second is the most dispensable. The first is >obviously indispensable and without a way to hold the loop, I get driven >into adding material more often than I'd probably like. which is fun somehow, by the way: the times before the EDP, when I used analog FB on Roland 3000, t.c. 2290 and PCM42, once a loop was great, I had to hurry up with the solo over it and then was forced to create something new. > >With a footpedal, I can get all three though the third is achieved via the >second with feedback at 100% -- i.e., don't forget to push the pedal down >when coming out of overdub if you don't want the loop to go away. > >Without a footpedal, all control is via the front panel and I generally >don't have a free hand to ride the control when I switch modes. So, >something has to go. EXP mode without a pedal gives me feedback effects for >overdubbing and multiplying but turns all non-modification operations into >holding. That's not as versatile, but it's better than the alternatives. > >Actually I used the EDP for quite a while with Loop3 and no feedback pedal. >I used it more like a DL4 and just kept the feedback cranked. Now, however, >I would recommend that anyone starting looping with Loop4 and no >expression pedal run in EXP mode. thats a heavy statement! And it turns the name absurd :-) Its historic: I started it thinking "what smarter mode can we create" and at first it also regulated some input or output volume when it was not doing FB. Then Claude started to use it and made suggestions... >If you've got an expression pedal, I would probably >recommend Loop mode as a starting point. (My recommendation in the latter >case would be different if the roles of the footpedal and the knob were >reversed in EXP mode when a footpedal was attached, but that's not what >Loop4 does.) hm, you want the pedal to control FB while Overdub is engaged and the front pot when nothing is added to the loop? So you need to go to the front pannel when you want a plain fade out (your second state)... does not quite make sense to me... can you explain? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 15:40:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BKVtE21019; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:31:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:31:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 20:29:38 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Re: delay time + Echo Pro ? In-Reply-To: <20030311174859.93168.qmail@web11402.mail.yahoo.com> References: <0f3fb0415170b33PCOW034M@blueyonder.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: <03b480432200b33PCOW053M@blueyonder.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h2BKUnM20681 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rich, Thanks. this is helpful, maybe I could contact you off-list if I need more info on pedal set-up? Ian. At 17:48 11/03/03 , you wrote: >Ian, > > >> 1. does the MIDI clock sync work accurately? and is >> there a facility for >> setting and saving the bar resolution within each >> programme? I mean so I have >> (for example) 3 saved valve delay model programmes >> each for MIDI clock >> control, >> 1 with delays coming back on 1/8th notes, another >> with 1/4 notes and the third >> 1/1 notes. I know I can tap tempo times in but I'm >> interested in automating >> much of this if possible. > >I don't use the MIDI sync, but from what I've gathered >from other users who do that there is a possibility >the sync doesn't work well, but that it also depends >on how it's set up and what unit is providing the midi >clock.  Frankly, I wouldn't let this issue alone be a >determining factor in the purchase of an Echo Pro >because from what I understand most manufacturers have >difficulty implementing this feature successfully %100 >of the time. > >Regarding the bar resolution, yes, you can save the >resolution per program, and you can even morph between >resolutions per program with an expression pedal or >CC. > > >> 2. Do you select the looper as 'another programme' >> with its own programme >> number? On the DL4 I have to manually switch it from >> delay to loop mode and >> back again and wonder if this can be controlled from >> a foot controller on the >> Echo Pro. > > >Yes, it can be done using a foot controller.  I use a >FCB1010 with mine and have a regular set-up and >expanded set-up which if you'd like I can detail >further.  In essence, though, you can start looping at >any time with a single press of a pedal (no need to >switch programs first, the looping starts and program >change occurs with one press). > >> 3. I know that there are problems with the looper >> syncing to MIDI clock. Is >> this totally unusable/unreliable or does the looper >> sync up to MIDI clock in >> some circumstances? > >The looper does not sync to any clock.  The delay that >accompanies the looper does, but not the looper >itself. > > >> I do aspire to an EDP, but can't afford one at the >> moment and would probably >> buy the Echo Pro as my main delay unit providing it >> can do what I want >> (particularly MIDI bar/beat delay resolution as >> above). Any experience of it >> would be good to hear about. >> > >I love my Echo Pro.  It combined with my 7.6 Time >Machine make a nice looping combo for me.  You can >assign basically any parameter to a CC or the >expression pedal, or you can save "scenes" per program >so the expression pedal down = scene 1 settings (for >example, nearly dry mix, few repeats) and pedal up = >scene 2 (wet mix, many repeats, modulation) and the >pedal sweep obviously transforms the program between >the two settings or "scenes."  This alone is very >handy. > >The looper does a max of two minutes on half speed, 1 >minute on regular speed, but even at half speed the >fidelity is good.  You can access half speed and >reverse at the same time (unlike the DL-4). > >The only problem I have with it, and this isn't really >a problem, is that unless you set up a bank on your >pedal board to exclusively control the Echo Pro, then >your loop, overdub, and stop functions operate like >the multi-button presses you have to do on a DL-4. >For example, on my FCB1010, most banks are set up >where I have a dedicated tap tempo and two other >pedals to control the looper.  The remaining 7 pedals >I use to control the rest of my rig.  One bank I have >set up to include the reverse and hald speed functins, >so that's two more buttons gone, but 5 left to control >the rig is plenty.  In these configurations, you have >to double press the overdub or stop loop pedals >depending on what you pressed last, because like on >the DL-4, these functions are handled by 2 pedals.  I >hope this makes sense.  Anyway, if I were to use up >all ten pedals in a bank on my FCB1010, I could get >around the double presses, but it's not a big deal so >I haven't bothered. > >Regards, >Rich > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online >http://webhosting.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 15:41:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BKWRI21231; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:32:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:32:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:30:49 -0800 Subject: Re: finally good family feedback on loops From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com my brother calls my loops 'amusical' stan > I've noticed that I've gotten far more interest in my CD from a few > co-workers than I get at home. I wouldn't describe the home environment as > unsupportive. More just disinterested. > > Mark > > P.S. Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >> Her favorite album was David Sylvian and Robert Fripp's The First Day. > > Arguably some of the best work by either Fripp or Sylvian (though it > competes with Damage). > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 15:51:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BKgX023232; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:42:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:42:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:43:48 -0800 Subject: Re: CHEAP SOLUTION to Breakbeat creation for Live Looping From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030311124855.01619ec0@pop.free.fr> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does the SQ16 support controller information in addition to note information? Mark on 3/11/03 3:50 AM, daviD at waveform@free.fr wrote: >> 1. Switch/load patterns while playing (most let you do that). By load, I >> mean that if there is an active edit buffer, then you can load into that. I >> don't care about loading from external media. >> 2. Save while playing. >> 3. Have good controls for editing while playing. Including controller >> recording, erase, etc. >> 4. Ideally, I'd like a TR-style grid mode, but I can probably live without >> it. >> 5. Muting "parts" is also pretty useful. > > Get a MAM SQ16 (pattern based midi sequencer) and use it to control an > external sound device. > You'll get everything you mentioned and much more... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 15:53:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BKgl923245; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:42:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:42:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: finally good family feedback on loops Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:41:52 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <005401c2e80e$a58e0750$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <97lMwC.A.QqF.Uokb-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My two sons try to sing along with my looping but they never really catch up as I'm improvising all the time ;-) They do better when snapping their fingers to the beat, but this is a rare scene as they usually keep their fingers busy playing network computer games. Per boysen > my brother calls my loops 'amusical' > > stan > > > I've noticed that I've gotten far more interest in my CD from a few > > co-workers than I get at home. I wouldn't describe the home > > environment as unsupportive. More just disinterested. > > > > Mark > > > > P.S. Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > > >> Her favorite album was David Sylvian and Robert Fripp's The First > >> Day. > > > > Arguably some of the best work by either Fripp or Sylvian > (though it > > competes with Damage). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 16:08:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BKxVl26839; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:59:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:59:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E6E4EAE.99FD8547@HelpWantedProductions.com> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:01:34 -0500 From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" , AH , digitalhell Subject: Analog Effect FS: Qtron+, Ibanez AD202 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Selling a new EH Qtron+ multimode envelope follower stompbox and a classic Ibanez AD202 Rack mount analog delay. 1. Electro Harmonix Qtron+ Asking $150 OBO. This is the deluxe edition with HP/BP/LP switch, fast or slow attack, and the effects loop. Comes in original wooden box in excellent and 100% fully functional condition. A real beauty. This is the best envelope follower Bootsy Bass jiggler out there. Designed by Mike Mathews and the guy who created the Mutron III back in the day )what the hell is his name anyway?) Full info including MP3s at: http://206.252.130.254/ehx2/Default.asp?q=f&f=%2FCatalog%2F19%5FFilters%2F14%5FQ%2DTron%2B 2. Ibanez AD202 - Asking $150 OBO This is the king of Bucket Brigade (BBD) analog delays IMO. It has the mad feedback option as well as settings for Chorus, Flange, Doubling, etc in addition to the delay. All knobs all the time: Delay Time, Regen (feedback), Speed, Width, and Blend (wet/dry mix) This unit is in good condition cosmetically and functionally. NO bad chips. Some pots are a little scratchy but aren't bad. You can search the AH archives at www.midiwall.com to read the praise on this unit. Only selling because I have two of these and a dozen others LOL! Full info at: http://www.effectsdatabase.com/model/205/ TERMS: Trades possible but not much I'm looking for. I dunno, weird strange effects, small portable consumer electronic toys or noise makers, etc. might work. Interested in the EH Holy Grail and Tube zipper. Come to think of it could use a Casio VZ10m too I guess (how's THAT for a longshot) Prefer paypal or USPS MO. At my asking price I'll pay the paypal fees, anything less and you pick up that tab. Located in Phila PA too if you prefer to pickup. References out the wazoo, send your phone to speed things up. Will sell to the first confirmed sale via phone. OBO means feel free to make a serious offer. I think everything is priced fairly but I know everyone wants a bargain too ;) Thanks! ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 16:29:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BLH7o28855; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:17:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:17:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:10:56 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: second amp suggestions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <011f01c2e812$b4f4e980$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <004801c2e806$909f1df0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Meddelande----- Original Message ----- From: Per Boysen >Hi, > >I would suggest a simple line out from your looping >gear to the house PA system. And make sure the PA >is powerful enough to match your Rivera. If not you'll >have to turn the Rivera down. Of course you can have >a "second amp" as well, but it should be as sonically >equal to a PA sound system as possible (not a Marshall top+cabs). But then what is coming out of the PA won't sound like it's coming out of a guitar amp! * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 16:48:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BLdo903331; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:39:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:39:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030311213851.73204.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:38:51 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: second amp suggestions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <011f01c2e812$b4f4e980$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When I use my full setup, I split my pedalboard between a straight guitar amp (a 1959 Gibson Ranger, or a small Fender, or a Marshall depending on the need for power; the Marshall is mostly retired!) and a SansAmp (you could use a Pod or a J-Station, etc.) which then goes into a mixing board, various processing, a power amp and monitors. The loopers are in the board's aux sends. That way guitar stuff can still sound like it's going through a guitar amp, while non-guitar signal (keyboard, mic, samples, whatever) go straight to the board, and anything can get to the loopers, even each other. (There are a couple of photos of this setup inside ; you have to join to get in, but you can always select 'no email'...) My smaller, pedal-only setup dispenses with the rack and uses two small guitar amps, each after its own looper, and sometimes an acoustic amp for full-range stuff. (I don't feel that the amps have to 'match' all that closely.) This setup is continually varying... -t- --- David Beardsley wrote: > But then what is coming out of the PA won't sound > like it's coming out of a guitar amp! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 16:54:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BLmOX05752; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:48:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:48:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:47:28 -0500 From: Guywithatele@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: second amp suggestions MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3C290BC6.7A5D5138.2437D650@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h2BLlcM05481 Resent-Message-ID: <3uvQP.A.4VB.6llb-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Shopping for amps (for me) was a blast. I searched high and low to compliment my current rig. I asked myself: Do I go vintage to offset my stereo wow-aphonic rig? Do I go modern? Solid state, tube??? Man, I do miss shopping for amps... All the questions and answers...the opinions and the sounds... Do you want to know what I found in my searching? Kendricks sound tubey and bluesy. Hotplates are used to suck up Marshall amp outputs and also provide a separate line out for extra effects or other bussed directions. Harmony-Central hosts oodles of opinions on amps. The Marshall Bluesbreaker can be gold plated and upholstered by Jaguar. Mesa Boogie's Road King is a freak-show of options. The studio rectifier doesn't allow direct/rig lines to run simultaneously. Fender is trying to model all their old amps with the Cyber Twin which is memorizing to watch as all the little dials slowly rotate per preset. I thought it sounded pretty groovy, but not very vintage. Fender makes a TON of amps. So does Marshall. Marshall nontube amps sound funky, thin (to me). Fender reissues are okay. There are 4 ten inch speakers in the Studio Reverb! Hardwood cabinets DO make a difference. Tone is in the ear of the beholder. Trey Anastasio looks like he uses two Fender Twins at the end of his chain of wildness. Eric Johnson uses some vintage Fender type amp(s) for his clean and Marshalls for his grungy. Angus Young tried all sorts of amps but swears by Marshalls. So does Satriani. I didn't buy a Marshall, though. Not this time. I settled on a little single 12 bubinga Fender Blues Junior. Yep. Paid all that money I don't have for that extra little boost in tone given by hardwood. You can buy the Road King (Mesa Boogie) in hardwood too, but that puts the bill over $3,000. And then there're 14 tubes to replace. This loop from the City of Vibrations is almost as long as my email. I'd suggest to this fella that he shop around and get a super clean, sparkling, Marshall Bluesbreaker or 1959 Plexi because that clean, golden tone (aided by the cool Marshall gold plate and buttons) would sound freakin' outstanding with this music. I think it would clean the brainwax out of any listener whether they wanted it or not. That's what I discovered. Bye. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 17:10:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BM4DA10806; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:04:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:04:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 23:03:06 +0100 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V03 #184 From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18srpz-2F7e7sC@fwd08.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 520012547034-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Fellow loopers, I'd like some suggestions regarding expanding my looping > rig to two (guitar) amps: one pre-loop and one post-loop, so I could > process my loops whilst playing guitar over them--you know how it > goes...anyway, currently I am using a Rivera 100 watt combo for my main > guitar amp, sending the signal via the effects loop into my looping gear, > and then taking that signal and sending it to a Roland 50 watt keyboard > amp. Which, as you may have guessed, sounds pretty weak, especially for > live situations. My question is this: would it be wise to match the power > from my main amp (i.e., using another 100 watt tube amp), or is that > unecessary, as my Rivera would already be amplifying the guitar signal in > the frist place? As you can tell, amps are my weak subject, and any help > would be wonderful. I think amp wattage is grossly overpacked today. I prefer single channel amps from the 60s and fifties to everything made today. Usually I bring a 18 Watt Ampeg and a 16 Watt Gibson amp to gigs and am plenty loud. My blond Fender Bassman (50 W) sits at home and waits for the occasional open air gig in the summer..... Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 18:25:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BNK6t23065; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:20:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:20:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: second amp suggestions Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 00:17:50 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <005701c2e824$6f6e9520$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <011f01c2e812$b4f4e980$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h2BNHrM22590 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Per Boysen > > >Hi, > > > >I would suggest a simple line out from your looping > >gear to the house PA system. And make sure the PA > >is powerful enough to match your Rivera. If not you'll > >have to turn the Rivera down. Of course you can have > >a "second amp" as well, but it should be as sonically > >equal to a PA sound system as possible (not a Marshall top+cabs). > > Från: David Beardsley > But then what is coming out of the PA won't sound like > it's coming out of a guitar amp! It has to! I'm sorry I messed up my post a bit. Of course you have to mic your main, guitar sound, amp directly out through the PA. Then you said you are sending from the Riveras effect loop to the looping gear. That's fine, but if you like your Rivera sound you should try to put a second mic in front of it and bring that mic'ed sound into the looping gear. I was talking about how to amplify the looping gear and If you like your Rivera sound you should go for a second amp that is not coloring the sound at all - or you could line the looping gear directly through the PA (since it is your Rivera sound that is getting looped in the first place). But maybe I did not understand your concept right? Do you actually want the loopers to sound like "a second guitar player"? If so you might be happy with two Riveras, but that would be just like running two guitar amps in series with loopers in between. I have tried daisy chaining wha pedals (which can sound quite cool) but never two guitar rigs. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 18:53:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BNk0q25755; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:46:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:46:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Dave Hastings" To: Subject: RE: Yamaha A5000 as pseudo-looper/sampler/effects processor (wasRe: So you want an effects processor (A5000)?) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:49:53 -0800 Message-ID: <000a01c2e828$e9e79780$a1bf9a40@hmv5n> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] > > From: Jesse > >But you couldn't even do that, because you can only retrieve what's > >in RAM on the sampler. > > amazing limitation! > > >What page of the manual does it mention this on? > > they dont offer the real manual on the site, only a general "samplers > handbook" where it sais on page 23: "when ->Save is selected, it is > automatically saved to disk and erased from memory after recording has > finished." which can meand that they record to RAM first and only > after the recording save to HD, so you you are probably right. You can find the A5000 manual at , or go www.yamaha.com and wander up through the US site. And, the specific mention of the above is on p. 150 under recording setup. And it says 'this capability is useful when you want to record a long musical segment or even a complete song to CD using the CD-DA command'. > > > >About this routing: > > > >> - use one effect section before the EDP > >> - the other effect section after the EDP > >> - record at the output of one of the effect sections (either the > >> original or the looped/effected signal) > > > >2. Recording like this doesn't work, because when the A4/5000 > is in Record > >mode it uses a special set of only three effects blocks on the > signal which > >you set up in the Record section of the sampler. You could run > your signal > >through these three effects and record what you did, but these > three blocks > >do not let you assign where their output goes because, since > it's in record > >mode, I guess they assume that you want the output to be recorded rather > >than aux sent to China. > Does this mean that it turns off the normal effects section when you record? Is this true even if your recording the stereo out? My take, from the manual as I don't have an A5000 to play with, was that you could apply effect blocks 1-3 to the recorded signal. I'd assumed that if you didn't, they stayed however you had them set up in play mode. Assuming that were true, I'd have thought you could: Set up the A/D input to two independent mono signals Send the instrument signal to A/D L, route it to effects 1-3 Send the output of effects 1-3 to the assignable out Send the assignable out to the input of the EDP Send the output of the EDP to A/D R, route that to effects 4-6 Send the out put of effects 4-6 to the stereo out And then set the record source to stereo out. Am I smoking crack? -daveh -------------- Dave Hastings dhastings@earthlink.net "How do I know so much about comedy, you wonder? Easy. I watch a lot of television. Especially the Sunday-morning political roundtables." - Steve Mirsyk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 19:03:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2BNxcC28805; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:59:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:59:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005a01c2e82a$093f2980$c761f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200303112051.h2BKpCg24468@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: re: good family feedback Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:57:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Your brother is a horse's ass, Stan. Your music is beautiful, passionate and elegant and I'm proud to say that I know you. your looping brother, Rick stan wrote: "my brother calls my loops 'amusical'" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 19:31:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2C0PTT31517; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:25:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:25:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000401c2e82d$a360d600$1d62f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200212130622.BAA09541@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Ableton LIVE's ability to loop in real time Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:23:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My brother Bill and I were discussing Ableton's LIVE today and it is my impression that you cannot looping in real time in that program. He thought you could and I didn't see the NAMM demo of this cool program this year. in other words, you can play loops and move them around in real time and you can record a passage into the program in real time, but I don't think you can make a loop on the fly that will keep looping if you don't make a mouse move. Does anyone know the answer to this question? Also, I have noticed that Cycling 74's RADIAL (soon to be released on the Mac side) and The DEVINE_MACHINE (for PC) both have fascinating realtime manipulations of loops but do not have the ability to loop in real time either (like the most basic DL4 or Loopstation). Why is the computer world lagging so far behind the hardware loopers in this respect? It would be so completely incredible to have the ability to use something like LIVE with realtime loop capabilities. Color me naive, but isn't it all just software programming? Set me straight, experts! yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 19:40:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2C0XL632655; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:33:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:33:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c2e82e$d6775680$700018ac@jnpr.net> Reply-To: From: To: References: <200212130622.BAA09541@hemlock.violacea.com> <000401c2e82d$a360d600$1d62f93f@global> Subject: Re: Ableton LIVE's ability to loop in real time Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:32:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - hummer.alwayswebhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - groovetronica.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > in other words, you can play loops and move them around in real time > and you can record a passage into the program in real time, but I don't > think > you can make a loop on the fly that will keep looping if you don't make a > mouse move. > I haven't played with this particular function much yet, but I am under the impression that you can make it loop via midi - just like you can start and stop the recording. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 19:57:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2C0ini01393; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:44:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:44:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: good family feedback Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:37:49 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <005a01c2e82a$093f2980$c761f93f@global> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, sounded like music to me-- Gary -----Original Message----- From: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL [mailto:GLOBAL@cruzio.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 3:58 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: good family feedback Your brother is a horse's ass, Stan. Your music is beautiful, passionate and elegant and I'm proud to say that I know you. your looping brother, Rick stan wrote: "my brother calls my loops 'amusical'" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 19:59:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2C0s7s02396; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:54:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:54:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bd01c2e833$5caccd80$b90efea9@link2> Reply-To: "link" From: "link" To: References: <200212130622.BAA09541@hemlock.violacea.com> <000401c2e82d$a360d600$1d62f93f@global> Subject: Re: Ableton LIVE's ability to loop in real time Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 02:04:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BA_01C2E83B.BAD79400" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BA_01C2E83B.BAD79400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Rick, This is Link (devine machine conceptor) ,=20 I could easily add a realtime record into devine machine ,=20 but there is one problem : - how many loopers would go on stage with a computer better than a = little rack ? Well anyway I could add some midi keys to start recording/overdub.. on = start of bar (with some options eventually) , then loop back while the = devine machine Liveloop! feature could support all other looping live = triggerring.... So I need everybody to tell me precisely what would be needed on that to = bring happyness to the community ;) (I mean conception details) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 1:23 AM Subject: Ableton LIVE's ability to loop in real time My brother Bill and I were discussing Ableton's LIVE today and it is = my impression that you cannot looping in real time in that program. He thought you could = and I didn't see the NAMM demo of this cool program this year. in other words, you can play loops and move them around in real time and you can record a passage into the program in real time, but I = don't think you can make a loop on the fly that will keep looping if you don't = make a mouse move. Does anyone know the answer to this question? Also, I have noticed that Cycling 74's RADIAL (soon to be released on = the Mac side) and The DEVINE_MACHINE (for PC) both have fascinating = realtime manipulations of loops but do not have the ability to loop in real time either (like the most = basic DL4 or Loopstation). Why is the computer world lagging so far behind the hardware loopers = in this respect? It would be so completely incredible to have the ability to use = something like LIVE with realtime loop capabilities. Color me naive, but isn't it all just software programming? Set me straight, experts! yours, Rick ------=_NextPart_000_00BA_01C2E83B.BAD79400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Rick,
 
This is Link (devine machine conceptor) , =
 
I could easily add a realtime record into devine = machine ,=20
but there is one  problem = :
 
- how many loopers would go on stage with a = computer=20 better than a little rack ?
 
Well anyway I could add some midi keys to = start=20 recording/overdub.. on start of bar (with some options eventually) , = then loop=20 back while the devine machine Liveloop! = feature could=20 support all other looping live triggerring....
 
So I need everybody to tell me precisely what = would be=20 needed on that to bring happyness to the community ;)  (I mean = conception=20 details)
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rick=20 Walker/Loop.pooL
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 = 1:23=20 AM
Subject: Ableton LIVE's ability = to loop=20 in real time

My brother Bill and I were discussing Ableton's LIVE = today and=20 it is my
impression that
you cannot looping in real time in that = program. He thought you could and I
didn't see the NAMM demo of = this cool=20 program this year.

in other words,  you can play loops and = move=20 them around in real time
and you can record a passage into the = program in=20 real time, but I don't
think
you can make a loop on the fly that = will=20 keep looping if you don't make a
mouse move.

Does anyone = know the=20 answer to this question?

Also, I have noticed that Cycling = 74's =20 RADIAL (soon to be released on the
Mac side) and The DEVINE_MACHINE = (for=20 PC) both have fascinating realtime
manipulations of loops but
do = not=20 have the ability to loop in real time either (like the most basic = DL4
or=20 Loopstation).

Why is the computer world lagging so far behind = the=20 hardware loopers in this
respect?

It would be so completely=20 incredible to have the ability to use something
like LIVE
with = realtime=20 loop capabilities.

Color me naive, but isn't it all just = software=20 programming?

Set me straight, experts!

yours,=20 Rick

------=_NextPart_000_00BA_01C2E83B.BAD79400-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 20:00:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2C0rVZ02311; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:53:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:53:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.14.93.11] From: "Willq Wright" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: An Introduction (new guy) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:49:47 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Mar 2003 00:49:47.0291 (UTC) FILETIME=[47A62EB0:01C2E831] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, after much prodding and reminding by the illustrious Mr. Sottilaro I have joined. A bit about me: After years of ignoring music almost entirely (minus a few aborted attempts to learn Guitar, Trumpet, and the Harmonica, I got OK at the harmonica, but I digress) I discovered circuitbent instruments (mangled and tortured toys screeching for their lives) and suddenly got a bee in my bonnet that maybe I could do this too. My next couple of experiments seemed to prove me right and off I went. I am pretty low-tech so far, my spiffiest bit of hardware is my KP2 kaoss pad, but cheap or free software and funky old laptops are my friend. I have some stuff up at www.mp3.com/perkis_red_sweater which is a sort of in joke and what I like to think of as my side project for a band that is yet to exist (I fancy myself amusing sometimes) That is pretty much it, Hi everyone, looking forward to the ride! Will Wright _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 20:29:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2C1PBE07080; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 20:25:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 20:25:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:20:35 -0800 Message-ID: <3E3AE1880002E286@mta8.wss.scd.yahoo.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: RE: Ableton LIVE's ability to loop in real time To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h2C1KfM06654 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey, check out AmbiLoop! hehe... we are slowly bringing more and more features in, and it is designed for realtime looping... but, you know all this... hehe... There is a new beta out (available on the ambiloop yahoo group). Chris M has added added ASIO and WMM support, as well as: * Option to put effects in the feedback loop * Latent input level and pan control (in the preferences menu) * Set loop button works anytime (no undo though) * Option to have set loop switch to playback * Option to set empty loop times to last recorded loop time. * Keyboard shortcuts 1 through 8 select track 1-8. I have been swamped with work, but I have just jumped back into the fray and I am working on the UI for the new MIDI->AmbiLoopCommand routing system and MIDI sync... (no time frames on the completion this work) peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" >To: >Subject: Ableton LIVE's ability to loop in real time >Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:23:42 -0800 >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >My brother Bill and I were discussing Ableton's LIVE today and it is my >impression that >you cannot looping in real time in that program. He thought you could and >I >didn't see the NAMM demo of this cool program this year. > >in other words, you can play loops and move them around in real time >and you can record a passage into the program in real time, but I don't >think >you can make a loop on the fly that will keep looping if you don't make a >mouse move. > >Does anyone know the answer to this question? > >Also, I have noticed that Cycling 74's RADIAL (soon to be released on the >Mac side) and The DEVINE_MACHINE (for PC) both have fascinating realtime >manipulations of loops but >do not have the ability to loop in real time either (like the most basic >DL4 >or Loopstation). > >Why is the computer world lagging so far behind the hardware loopers in this >respect? > >It would be so completely incredible to have the ability to use something >like LIVE >with realtime loop capabilities. > >Color me naive, but isn't it all just software programming? > >Set me straight, experts! > >yours, Rick > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 20:31:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2C1ML906788; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 20:22:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 20:22:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c2e83d$2ec22640$a538fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <000a01c2e828$e9e79780$a1bf9a40@hmv5n> Subject: Re: Yamaha A5000 as pseudo-looper/sampler/effects processor Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:14:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Does this mean that it turns off the normal effects section when you record? > Is this true even if your recording the stereo out? My take, from the > manual as I don't have an A5000 to play with, was that you could apply > effect blocks 1-3 to the recorded signal. I'd assumed that if you didn't, > they stayed however you had them set up in play mode. Assuming that were > true, I'd have thought you could: > > Set up the A/D input to two independent mono signals > Send the instrument signal to A/D L, route it to effects 1-3 > Send the output of effects 1-3 to the assignable out > Send the assignable out to the input of the EDP > Send the output of the EDP to A/D R, route that to effects 4-6 > Send the out put of effects 4-6 to the stereo out > And then set the record source to stereo out. > > Am I smoking crack? You are smoking crack. Wait! No you are not! It works! Exactly like you said. For some reason I thought the A5K forced you to use the three effects blocks in the Record section, even though I have recorded from the stereo outs with effects before. Silly me. I think you are right about the --> Save option, too. Here's what the manual says: "-> Save ... The recorded sample will automatically be saved to disk and erased from memory AFTER recording has finished. This makes it possible to record mono samples longer than 32 megabytes and stereo samples longer than 64 megabytes if enough memory is available. NOTE -> Only the first 32 (mono) or 64 (stereo) megabytes of samples longer than 32 or 64 megabytes saved to disk can be loaded into the sampler's memory at a time. HINT -> When -> Save is selected the recordable sample size is only limited by the amount of space abailable on the disk used. This capability is useful when you want to record a long musical segment or even a complete song to CD using the CD-DA command." One more caveat about the A4/5000: Maximum hard disk size is 8GB. Maximum partition size is 1GB. So, the best you can do is an 8GB drive with 8 partitions, 1GB each. Which, really, is quite a bit of space, considering the sampler can only hold 128MB at a time. The other thing is that the A5K isn't using a standard DOS/Windows or Mac format for their partitions/files, so I don't think you can access the hard drive partitions via SCSI, even if you have a drive hooked to both your puter and the sampler. Haven't tried it though... Hell, I was wrong about everything else, why not this, too? :) There is a utility called "Disky" (http://ampfea.org/~jay/disky/), written by a fellow named Jay Vaughn (runs the ampfea.org Music-Bar list), which I believe may let you pull files directly off the A5K's hard disks. But I'm having a hard time getting it to run, so I can't say for sure. Adaptec's ASPI driver installer isn't working for me (anyone have any suggestions for a WinXP Professional user, regarding this?). :( It's a fucking mess. -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 20:36:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2C1WYS07911; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 20:32:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 20:32:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Ableton LIVE's ability to loop in real time Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 20:32:03 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c2e837$301a23e0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3E3AE1880002E286@mta8.wss.scd.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9mZGAC.A.x6B.V4ob-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Go AmbiLoop, I use I like it, but it could use the Undo and maybe a one button next loop (midi function) which I suppose might indicate a need for a number of loops setting too, so you would only move through a predetermined number of loops. Still an excelent software looper -----Original Message----- From: Chris Roberts [mailto:cpr@musetrap.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 8:21 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Ableton LIVE's ability to loop in real time hey, check out AmbiLoop! hehe... we are slowly bringing more and more features in, and it is designed for realtime looping... but, you know all this... hehe... There is a new beta out (available on the ambiloop yahoo group). Chris M has added added ASIO and WMM support, as well as: * Option to put effects in the feedback loop * Latent input level and pan control (in the preferences menu) * Set loop button works anytime (no undo though) * Option to have set loop switch to playback * Option to set empty loop times to last recorded loop time. * Keyboard shortcuts 1 through 8 select track 1-8. I have been swamped with work, but I have just jumped back into the fray and I am working on the UI for the new MIDI->AmbiLoopCommand routing system and MIDI sync... (no time frames on the completion this work) peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" >To: >Subject: Ableton LIVE's ability to loop in real time >Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:23:42 -0800 >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >My brother Bill and I were discussing Ableton's LIVE today and it is my >impression that you cannot looping in real time in that program. He >thought you could and I >didn't see the NAMM demo of this cool program this year. > >in other words, you can play loops and move them around in real time >and you can record a passage into the program in real time, but I don't >think you can make a loop on the fly that will keep looping if you >don't make a >mouse move. > >Does anyone know the answer to this question? > >Also, I have noticed that Cycling 74's RADIAL (soon to be released on the >Mac side) and The DEVINE_MACHINE (for PC) both have fascinating >realtime manipulations of loops but do not have the ability to loop in >real time either (like the most basic DL4 >or Loopstation). > >Why is the computer world lagging so far behind the hardware loopers in this >respect? > >It would be so completely incredible to have the ability to use >something like LIVE with realtime loop capabilities. > >Color me naive, but isn't it all just software programming? > >Set me straight, experts! > >yours, Rick > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 20:54:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2C1p2I10089; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 20:51:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 20:51:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c2e841$f3cf90e0$a538fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <169.1bc78c78.2b9f893b@aol.com> Subject: EDP losing sync... Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:49:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01C2E7FE.E57E6310" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C2E7FE.E57E6310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sad. =20 I am trying to automate EDP commands on a sequencer track. It records = the first loop fine and will loop this indefinitely and keep synced to = the sequencer. But the minute I do a NextLoop or try to use a trigger = note to move to another loop (with AutoRecord=3DOn), or even a NextLoop = --> Record (AutoRecord=3DOFF, Quantize=3DCYC) the sync lights on the = front of the EDP go way off track. Sometimes I can get the sync lights = back on track by sticking a ReAlign in, but somehow the audio has = shifted over and...well, it's enough to make a man cry.=20 All I want to do is: 1) Record an eight-bar loop in loop 1 2) Play loop #1 once (for a total of 16 bars of "A section") 3) Record a four-bar loop in loop 2 4) Play loop #2 three times (for a total of 16 bars of "B section") 5) Go back to loop #1 No tempo changes. No meter changes. Nothing that should be a problem. = Whatever method I use of getting into loop #2, however, seems to de-sync = the EDP. Sonar is one of those sequencers that sends clock all the = time, whether it's playing or idle. Don't know if that is a useful clue = or not. If it would help, I can post all the settings on the EDP, and my MIDI = control track as a .MID. =20 If one of you kind, kind EDP gurus would be willing to write a MIDI = control track to do the above processes, and send me it, and a list of = all the front panel settings you used, I would heartily thank you. But, = that is a lot to ask. =20 I am planning such sick sick things to do with the EDP, but if I can't = even get it to do this, then...well, the last few years of my life, = conceiving this music and the rig to play it on, are in vain. =20 Frustrated in Fort Collins, CO,=20 Jesse ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C2E7FE.E57E6310 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sad. 

I am trying to = automate EDP=20 commands on a sequencer track.  It records the first loop fine and = will=20 loop this indefinitely and keep synced to the sequencer.  But the = minute I=20 do a NextLoop or try to use a trigger note to move to another loop (with = AutoRecord=3DOn), or even a NextLoop --> Record (AutoRecord=3DOFF,=20 Quantize=3DCYC) the sync lights on the front of the EDP go way off=20 track.  Sometimes I can get the sync lights back on track by = sticking a=20 ReAlign in, but somehow the audio has shifted over and...well, it's = enough to=20 make a man cry. 
 
All I want to do is:
 
1) Record an eight-bar loop in = loop=20 1
2) Play loop #1 once = (for a total of=20 16 bars of "A section")
3) Record a four-bar loop = in loop=20 2
4) Play loop #2 three times (for a = total of 16 bars=20 of "B section")
5) Go back to loop #1
 
No tempo changes.  No meter = changes. =20 Nothing that should be a problem. 
 
Whatever method I use of getting into = loop #2,=20 however, seems to de-sync the EDP.  Sonar is one of those = sequencers that=20 sends clock all the time, whether it's playing or idle.  Don't know = if that=20 is a useful clue or not.
 
If it would help, I can post all the = settings=20 on the EDP, and my MIDI control track as a .MID.  =
 
If one of you kind, kind EDP gurus = would be willing=20 to write a MIDI control track to do the above processes, and send = me it,=20 and a list of all the front panel settings you used, I would heartily = thank=20 you.  But, that is a lot to ask. 
 
I am planning such sick sick things to = do with the=20 EDP, but if I can't even get it to do this, then...well, the last few = years of=20 my life, conceiving this music and the rig to play it on, are in=20 vain. 
 
Frustrated in Fort Collins, = CO, 
 
Jesse
 
 
 

 ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C2E7FE.E57E6310-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 21:09:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2C27BE12992; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:07:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:07:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:06:09 -0800 Subject: Re: Ableton LIVE's ability to loop in real time Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000401c2e82d$a360d600$1d62f93f@global> Message-Id: <3165AFCF-542F-11D7-A143-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why not try Digital Performer 3? It's a kick ass midi and audio looper. Real time, baby. That's right. POLAR rocks. I've yet to use the midi looping functions, but I've heard that they rock. I'm borrowing an iBook from work and I hope to use it as a realtime midi/audio looper using DP3. I'll keep ya'll posted. Mark On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, at 04:23 PM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: > My brother Bill and I were discussing Ableton's LIVE today and it is my > impression that > you cannot looping in real time in that program. He thought you could > and I > didn't see the NAMM demo of this cool program this year. > > in other words, you can play loops and move them around in real time > and you can record a passage into the program in real time, but I don't > think > you can make a loop on the fly that will keep looping if you don't > make a > mouse move. > > Does anyone know the answer to this question? > > Also, I have noticed that Cycling 74's RADIAL (soon to be released on > the > Mac side) and The DEVINE_MACHINE (for PC) both have fascinating > realtime > manipulations of loops but > do not have the ability to loop in real time either (like the most > basic DL4 > or Loopstation). > > Why is the computer world lagging so far behind the hardware loopers > in this > respect? > > It would be so completely incredible to have the ability to use > something > like LIVE > with realtime loop capabilities. > > Color me naive, but isn't it all just software programming? > > Set me straight, experts! > > yours, Rick > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 21:38:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2C2PwC14871; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:25:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:25:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:18:48 -0800 Subject: Re: UPDATE: Re: Lexicon MPX G2 stupid clock Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No, I just needed a second looper within a week for a bunch of live shows I was doing, and it looked like a few months of waiting for an EDP repair, or even longer for a new one at that point. I figured if I had a Repeater, I could probably sell it and get an EDP later when they started shipping. Maybe if my Repeater sells for $1025 I'll get two ;) Mark On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, at 12:07 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: >> No longer have an EDP to sync it to. The one I got was broken from >> the factory, and it seemed like a long wait until I could get a new >> one, so I opted to just wait until the EDP Blackface came out, and >> haven't done it yet. > > oh, I did not realize you gave up on that one. No need, anything can > be fixed. If you think that Shane does not do a good job, just mail me > privately about it... > >> I could sync the 307 to the mpx g2 though, which is on my short >> list. > > yes, thats a good enough test, I would apreciate! > >> >> Mark >> >> On Sunday, March 9, 2003, at 03:13 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: >> >>>> >>>> Perfect loopage with the G2 receiving clock from a Roland MC-307. >>> >>> great! >>> >>> did you try the other way round, G2 being the master for the EDP >>> slave? >>> (sorry to insist...) >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 21:38:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2C2R1314942; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:27:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:27:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ce01c2e83d$dbd7d780$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <1D348424.150C053E.2437D650@aol.com> <00bc01c2e79f$722726e0$a538fc0c@amd> Subject: Re: Analog delay virtual oscillator trick... Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:19:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com awesome jesse. very innovative. sounds almost like a 'baritone' theraman (sp?). coolness, thanks for sharing. freak. jg ----- Original Message ----- From: Jesse Ray Lucas To: Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 12:25 AM Subject: Analog delay virtual oscillator trick... > Sometimes instead of taking a conventional solo, I will do my > I-wish-I-was-a-DJ-or-at-least-playing-a-Minimoog-instead-of-electric-bass > bit. > > Play a high note (e.g. a 12th fret G, 24th fret G harmonic, or something), > turn on your analog delay and let the note ring while the delay feeds back > on itself. Because of the lo-fi analog nature of the thing after a few > repeats the note loses most of its attack and it's almost like a tone from > an oscillator. Then I will kick on the Electro-Harmonix Bass Microsynth > (could use any kind of filter though) and I will use the delay time knob to > tweak the pitch around, and add/remove the pitch shifted voices, and sweep > the filter up and down manually on the Microsynth. > > Unless you have really spent some time practicing this and can make it > rhythmic, it could be just a bunch of noise. But, if there's a wicked drum > beat going on behind you, no one is going to care. :) Hence my usage of an > accompanying loop in this demo MP3. Yes, this is tasteless, but I wanted to > illustrate as many wankage options as I could for you all. > > http://www.neoprimitive.net/jlucas/tmp/analogdelaywank.mp3 > > Signal chain is: Instrument (bass) --> Analog Delay (Moogerfooger > MF-104) --> Filter/Pitchshifter (Electro-Harmonix Bass Microsynth) > > If you're not careful, at least on my unit, if you turn the delay time down > too far you can lose the signal entirely, which is what happened to me at > 1:04 in this .MP3 file. Thankfully, the Moogerfooger delay is so ruthless > that if you turn the feedback up it can grab the last tiny smidgeon of > whatever is left and bring it all the way back as something nasty -- kind of > like the rotting corpses from Return of the Living Dead. > > I'm sure I'm not the first one to do something like this, but I thought I > would share. > > My most loop-related post in days... > > -Jesse > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 21:41:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2C2XlB15405; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:33:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:33:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004001c2e847$41d5ae00$a538fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <169.1bc78c78.2b9f893b@aol.com> <003001c2e841$f3cf90e0$a538fc0c@amd> Subject: Re: EDP losing sync...NEVERMIND Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:27:06 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01C2E804.33891410" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C2E804.33891410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Silly me. Something to do with SwitchQuant... SwitchQuant=3DOFF now, = and everything is roses. =20 Sorry, 'bout that. =20 -J ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jesse Ray Lucas=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 6:49 PM Subject: EDP losing sync... Sad. =20 I am trying to automate EDP commands on a sequencer track. It records = the first loop fine and will loop this indefinitely and keep synced to = the sequencer. But the minute I do a NextLoop or try to use a trigger = note to move to another loop (with AutoRecord=3DOn), or even a NextLoop = --> Record (AutoRecord=3DOFF, Quantize=3DCYC) the sync lights on the = front of the EDP go way off track. Sometimes I can get the sync lights = back on track by sticking a ReAlign in, but somehow the audio has = shifted over and...well, it's enough to make a man cry.=20 All I want to do is: 1) Record an eight-bar loop in loop 1 2) Play loop #1 once (for a total of 16 bars of "A section") 3) Record a four-bar loop in loop 2 4) Play loop #2 three times (for a total of 16 bars of "B section") 5) Go back to loop #1 No tempo changes. No meter changes. Nothing that should be a = problem. =20 Whatever method I use of getting into loop #2, however, seems to = de-sync the EDP. Sonar is one of those sequencers that sends clock all = the time, whether it's playing or idle. Don't know if that is a useful = clue or not. If it would help, I can post all the settings on the EDP, and my MIDI = control track as a .MID. =20 If one of you kind, kind EDP gurus would be willing to write a MIDI = control track to do the above processes, and send me it, and a list of = all the front panel settings you used, I would heartily thank you. But, = that is a lot to ask. =20 I am planning such sick sick things to do with the EDP, but if I can't = even get it to do this, then...well, the last few years of my life, = conceiving this music and the rig to play it on, are in vain. =20 Frustrated in Fort Collins, CO,=20 Jesse ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C2E804.33891410 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Silly me.  Something to do with=20 SwitchQuant...  SwitchQuant=3DOFF now, and everything is = roses. =20
Sorry, 'bout that. 
 
-J
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jesse=20 Ray Lucas
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 = 6:49=20 PM
Subject: EDP losing = sync...

Sad. 

I am trying to = automate EDP=20 commands on a sequencer track.  It records the first loop fine = and will=20 loop this indefinitely and keep synced to the sequencer.  But the = minute=20 I do a NextLoop or try to use a trigger note to move to another loop = (with=20 AutoRecord=3DOn), or even a NextLoop --> Record (AutoRecord=3DOFF,=20 Quantize=3DCYC) the sync lights on the front of the EDP go way = off=20 track.  Sometimes I can get the sync lights back on track by = sticking a=20 ReAlign in, but somehow the audio has shifted over and...well, it's = enough to=20 make a man cry. 
 
All I want to do is:
 
1) Record an eight-bar loop in = loop=20 1
2) Play loop #1 once = (for a total=20 of 16 bars of "A section")
3) Record a four-bar loop = in loop=20 2
4) Play loop #2 three times (for a = total of 16=20 bars of "B section")
5) Go back to loop #1
 
No tempo changes.  No meter = changes. =20 Nothing that should be a problem. 
 
Whatever method I use of getting into = loop #2,=20 however, seems to de-sync the EDP.  Sonar is one of those = sequencers that=20 sends clock all the time, whether it's playing or idle.  Don't = know if=20 that is a useful clue or not.
 
If it would help, I can post all the = settings=20 on the EDP, and my MIDI control track as a .MID.  =
 
If one of you kind, kind EDP gurus = would be=20 willing to write a MIDI control track to do the above processes, = and send=20 me it, and a list of all the front panel settings you used, I would = heartily=20 thank you.  But, that is a lot to ask. 
 
I am planning such sick sick things = to do with=20 the EDP, but if I can't even get it to do this, then...well, the last = few=20 years of my life, conceiving this music and the rig to play it = on, are in=20 vain. 
 
Frustrated in Fort Collins,=20 CO, 
 
Jesse
 
 
 

------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C2E804.33891410-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 21:41:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2C2aUh15699; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:36:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:36:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f201c2e840$348e7ee0$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <1046940151.3e6709f7cd9ec@www.suitandtieguy.com> <010201c2e5bf$c1e21a50$08f49840@g0wn7> <008501c2e619$34582d00$a538fc0c@amd> <00aa01c2e61e$da27bd40$a538fc0c@amd> Subject: TopDeadCenter - who's tune is this??? Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:36:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com did someone from this list send out this short mp3 called topdeadcenter? jimmy george From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 21:46:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2C2b2615731; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:37:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:37:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:36:27 -0800 Subject: Re: An Introduction (new guy) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <6C9077DC-5433-11D7-A143-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Welcome Will! This is the best music list going. I've almost never had a question go unanswered or have at least 5 different opinions stated about any topic, although I think the main focus is looping audio.... with tube amps! ;) (Don't kill me Kim or you'll never get your speaker stands! I swear I'll bring them by soon...) Anyway, I'm out the door right now, but I can't wait to listen to your post. Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, at 04:49 PM, Willq Wright wrote: > > Hello, after much prodding and reminding by the illustrious Mr. > Sottilaro I have joined. > > A bit about me: > > After years of ignoring music almost entirely (minus a few aborted > attempts to learn Guitar, Trumpet, and the Harmonica, I got OK at the > harmonica, but I digress) I discovered circuitbent instruments > (mangled and tortured toys screeching for their lives) and suddenly > got a bee in my bonnet that maybe I could do this too. > > My next couple of experiments seemed to prove me right and off I went. > > I am pretty low-tech so far, my spiffiest bit of hardware is my KP2 > kaoss pad, but cheap or free software and funky old laptops are my > friend. > > I have some stuff up at www.mp3.com/perkis_red_sweater which is a sort > of in joke and what I like to think of as my side project for a band > that is yet to exist (I fancy myself amusing sometimes) > > That is pretty much it, Hi everyone, looking forward to the ride! > > Will Wright > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 21:52:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2C2l4P17595; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:47:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:47:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ff01c2e841$8a038540$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <6C9077DC-5433-11D7-A143-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Subject: An Introduction (new guy) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:46:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com neat stuff will. wacky stuff! i liked the bug song especially. tell me more about how you recorded this one? thanks, jimmy george http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Sottilaro To: Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 7:36 PM Subject: Re: An Introduction (new guy) > Welcome Will! > > This is the best music list going. I've almost never had a question go > unanswered or have at least 5 different opinions stated about any > topic, although I think the main focus is looping audio.... with tube > amps! ;) (Don't kill me Kim or you'll never get your speaker stands! I > swear I'll bring them by soon...) > > Anyway, I'm out the door right now, but I can't wait to listen to your > post. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, at 04:49 PM, Willq Wright wrote: > > > > > Hello, after much prodding and reminding by the illustrious Mr. > > Sottilaro I have joined. > > > > A bit about me: > > > > After years of ignoring music almost entirely (minus a few aborted > > attempts to learn Guitar, Trumpet, and the Harmonica, I got OK at the > > harmonica, but I digress) I discovered circuitbent instruments > > (mangled and tortured toys screeching for their lives) and suddenly > > got a bee in my bonnet that maybe I could do this too. > > > > My next couple of experiments seemed to prove me right and off I went. > > > > I am pretty low-tech so far, my spiffiest bit of hardware is my KP2 > > kaoss pad, but cheap or free software and funky old laptops are my > > friend. > > > > I have some stuff up at www.mp3.com/perkis_red_sweater which is a sort > > of in joke and what I like to think of as my side project for a band > > that is yet to exist (I fancy myself amusing sometimes) > > > > That is pretty much it, Hi everyone, looking forward to the ride! > > > > Will Wright > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 22:58:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2C3t3Y26073; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 22:55:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 22:55:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:48:53 -0800 Subject: PCM42 on the loose!! From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey yall- my friend guitarist from the band here in the sf bay area is unloading his w/ the bob sellon mod that takes the loop time to 19.2 seconds.(it is the looper swears by and in front of and in back of!!)he has the on/off and overdub switches and a voltage contral(pedal,i guess),it controls loop length,on the fly! goin for $1750-a decent price if ya ask me. unmodded they usually go for around $1500 and the mod from bob is no longer available($5 to $800) so this is probably a one time type thang. hopefully the spex on this unit are common knowledge-if they arent can somebody point in the right direction webwise?probably on the lexicon website? there used to be a writeup on loopers delight...is that still there? lotta questions but for me this a great deal-too bad i already have 3 42s! goinloopee stanitarium From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 23:30:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2C4Owx30642; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 23:24:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 23:24:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 20:26:26 -0800 Subject: Re: second amp suggestions From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3C290BC6.7A5D5138.2437D650@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 3/11/03 1:47 PM, Guywithatele@aol.com at Guywithatele@aol.com wrote: > Fender is trying to model all their old amps with the Cyber Twin which is > memorizing to watch as all the little dials slowly rotate per preset. The Yamaha DG80 does this as well. The DG amps are some of the nicer sounding modeling amps. I think AMS has them relatively cheap right now. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 23:45:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2C4e5G32434; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 23:40:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 23:40:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E6EB970.196F40D5@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 20:37:04 -0800 From: Daryl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] lexicon prime time References: <1D348424.150C053E.2437D650@aol.com> <00bc01c2e79f$722726e0$a538fc0c@amd> <00ce01c2e83d$dbd7d780$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Lexicon Prime Time looks like a really interesting, tweakable delay. I didn't find much in the archives on it...anyone have experience with these? what it's wacky potential is? I know it has some looping capability; I'm especially interested in the delay multiply pot (could ya grab a loop and send it up 6 octaves??), phase reversals, etc. I like pots and sliders more than digital displays, hence my interest in this more than the more popular PCM's. Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 23:46:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2C4fX232571; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 23:41:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 23:41:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:27:06 -0800 From: glenn Subject: Re: Texture In-reply-to: <5.1.1.6.2.20030310223635.035b6dd0@icicle.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mr Powell, for most of his music and with utopia and todd, even when he'd use what appeared to be a factory made synth (even before midi) had actually modified the keyboard to provide way more control than midi using a digital bus of his own design running the cable to a software synths of his own design. though texture was cryptic, it was brilliant and way way more versatile than anything in it's time. This is a really really creative and brilliant man. As and aside: Utopia at the Greek theater in berkeley 1979, the band switched instruments moving each song, cycling through all of them. Unforgettably cool thing to do. on 3/11/03 9:36 AM, Catilyne at catilyne@icicle.net wrote: > At 01:41 PM 3/10/2003 -0700, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: >> Roger Powell from Utopia heads the Finalcut Pro team at Apple? Will >> wonders never cease. Didn't Todd have something to do with the >> VideoToaster? > > Powell working on Finalcut Pro doesn't surprise me. If I remember > correctly, he was one of the first Pop artists (along with Larry Fast) to > evangelize digital synthesis/sequencing. This was during the 70's -- > before anyone had even conceived of MIDI, much less adding a computer to > the mix. He's always been a major hexhead. > > As for Rundgren, you're correct: he was heavily involved with the Toaster, > although I don't recall if it were from a design standpoint or merely as an > alpha-tester. However, he is credited with producing some of the first > music videos using computer animation, and these were done exclusively on > the Video Toaster. > > -c- > > _____ > "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" > -recoil > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 11 23:51:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2C4kCa00609; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 23:46:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 23:46:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030311214951.00af5c90@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:49:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Tubes! They do a ____ good! In-Reply-To: <20030311182052.7451.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030311064102.44402.qmail@web80205.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mesa used to make a 20 watt stereo power amp called the 20/20. Perhaps this would be efficacious... Smiles, Cara At 10:20 AM 3/11/03 -0800, you wrote: >--- Kirkland Mack wrote: >> >> Aren't those Velocettes regular guitar amps though? > >Yep. > >> I'm just looking for the >> power section, something like a Mesa 2:90 in a much smaller package, like about >> 30 watts, that will produce great power tube saturation when cranked. > >How about a THD Univalve? It has a preamp, but you can tailor the preamp gain by >tube selection. > >> It also seems like someone should have been smart enough to develop a >> hybrid amp that has an SS preamp with a tube power section by now. > >MusicMan had a good sounding hybred amp like that in the 70s or early 80s. SS >preamp, tube power amp. I thought they sounded great, but for whatever reason, >they weren't very popular. > >Greg > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online >http://webhosting.yahoo.com > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 00:36:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2C5YOm07093; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 00:34:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 00:34:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E6EC5DA.4040506@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:30:02 -0800 From: "Matthew F. McCabe" Reply-To: mmccabe@finleysound.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: finally good family feedback on loops References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Scott Hansen wrote: > perspectives are changing in our house a bit, > or at least a little bit at a time.... > that's my story to share for today. It's all about education! Just the other day I covertly placed King Crimson's latest in the CD player when my wife was in the shower. Upon her exit, she remarked, "Is that King Crimson?" Surprised, I asked, "How did you know?" Her answer, "It's classic King Crimson." > s---- > ps-the normal feedback to when loop-based music > is playing in the household has been "that's noise". I'm convinced our spouses, significant others and loved ones put up with more noise than a normal human should have to endure in a life time!! :-) Did I mention neighbors??? Matt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 00:39:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2C5ZxJ07294; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 00:35:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 00:35:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E6EC71C.7010706@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:35:24 -0800 From: "Matthew F. McCabe" Reply-To: mmccabe@finleysound.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tubes! They do a ____ good! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jeffrey Lomas wrote: > Dave, > My favorite 30 watt amp is a Vox AC30. I dig my Hiwatt Lead 30. Matt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 00:41:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2C5cnG07851; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 00:38:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 00:38:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008701c2e859$705be840$a463f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200303120129.h2C1Tt507463@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Real time Computer Looping.....was: Ableton LIVE's ability to loop in real time Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:37:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: <6vZHeD.A.l5B.Cfsb-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Link wrote: "This is Link (devine machine conceptor) , I could easily add a realtime record into devine machine , but there is one problem : - how many loopers would go on stage with a computer better than a little rack ?" I sure as hell would be one, Link! The ability to take all the processing power of a PC onto stage AND be able to loop in real time would be incredible. With software like PEAK's V-box which allows the realtime series and parallel use of VST plugins plus real time looping would be so incredible. It is where the processing world is going, if you ask me, because it is so much cheaper to buy effects that are software rather than hardware based (I know, I know, all processors are software based except for the tape and analogue ones but you know what I mean). Even thinking about running the sends up my EDP and Repeater into a laptop and then looping them and processing them in realtime gives me a Looping Chubby!!! ;-) Link: "Well anyway I could add some midi keys to start recording/overdub.. on start of bar (with some options eventually) , then loop back while the devine machine Liveloop! feature could support all other looping live triggerring...." that sounds awesome! Link: "So I need everybody to tell me precisely what would be needed on that to bring happyness to the community ;) (I mean conception details)" just the ability to loop one (or preferrably more simultaneous) loops and then manipulate them in front of an audience would be incredible. Am I the only one here who thinks this is a fantastic idea? yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 00:58:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2C5uFY10309; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 00:56:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 00:56:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00bd01c2e833$5caccd80$b90efea9@link2> References: <200212130622.BAA09541@hemlock.violacea.com> <000401c2e82d$a360d600$1d62f93f@global> <00bd01c2e833$5caccd80$b90efea9@link2> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:52:04 -0800 To: "link" , From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Ableton LIVE's ability to loop in real time Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1164673946==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1164673946==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 2:04 AM +0100 3/12/03, link wrote: >This is Link (devine machine conceptor) , Congratulations on a great program! I've seen two demonstrations of Devine Machine by Steve Duda and my reaction was that it's the first program that almost makes me want to buy a PC. >- how many loopers would go on stage with a computer better than a >little rack ? I'm in the process of thinking how I can do that. I have a (not so little) rack of very nice processors, but there are times I would much rather travel to a gig with just a laptop and one or two peripherals. There are many people performing with laptops, but I think that few of them use them to process external signals simply because the software is unavailable. >Well anyway I could add some midi keys to start recording/overdub.. >on start of bar (with some options eventually) , then loop back >while the devine machine Liveloop! feature could support all other >looping live triggerring.... Please do it! Also, please port Devine Machine to the Macintosh, for those of us who don't want to own a PC. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1164673946==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Ableton LIVE's ability to loop in real time
At 2:04 AM +0100 3/12/03, link wrote:

This is Link (devine machine conceptor) ,

Congratulations on a great program! I've seen two demonstrations of Devine Machine by Steve Duda and my reaction was that it's the first program that almost makes me want to buy a PC.

- how many loopers would go on stage with a computer better than a little rack ?

I'm in the process of thinking how I can do that. I have a (not so little) rack of very nice processors, but there are times I would much rather travel to a gig with just a laptop and one or two peripherals. There are many people performing with laptops, but I think that few of them use them to process external signals simply because the software is unavailable.

Well anyway I could add some midi keys to start recording/overdub.. on start of bar (with some options eventually) , then loop back while the devine machine Liveloop! feature could support all other looping live triggerring....

Please do it!

Also, please port Devine Machine to the Macintosh, for those of us who don't want to own a PC.
--

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--============_-1164673946==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 00:58:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2C5uJH10315; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 00:56:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 00:56:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3E3AE1880002E286@mta8.wss.scd.yahoo.com> References: <3E3AE1880002E286@mta8.wss.scd.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:53:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: Ableton LIVE's ability to loop in real time Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:20 PM -0800 3/11/03, Chris Roberts wrote: >hey, check out AmbiLoop! http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/ -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 01:55:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2C6oHf16225; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 01:50:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 01:50:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c2e863$47436280$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <20030311183717.90978.qmail@web80201.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: second amp suggestions Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 01:47:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2E839.5D625320" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop016.verizon.net from [68.160.154.7] at Wed, 12 Mar 2003 00:47:31 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2E839.5D625320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roland Jazz Chorus - 120 watts of screaming clean tone ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jonathan Yandel=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 1:37 PM Subject: second amp suggestions Fellow loopers, I'd like some suggestions regarding expanding my = looping rig to two (guitar) amps: one pre-loop and one post-loop, so I = could process my loops whilst playing guitar over them--you know how it = goes...anyway, currently I am using a Rivera 100 watt combo for my main = guitar amp, sending the signal via the effects loop into my looping = gear, and then taking that signal and sending it to a Roland 50 watt = keyboard amp. Which, as you may have guessed, sounds pretty weak, = especially for live situations. My question is this: would it be wise = to match the power from my main amp (i.e., using another 100 watt tube = amp), or is that unecessary, as my Rivera would already be amplifying = the guitar signal in the frist place? As you can tell, amps are my weak = subject, and any help would be wonderful. Thanks, jonathan ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2E839.5D625320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Fellow loopers, I'd like some suggestions regarding expanding my = looping=20 rig to two (guitar) amps: one pre-loop and one post-loop, so I could = process=20 my loops whilst playing guitar over them--you know how it = goes...anyway,=20 currently I am using a Rivera 100 watt combo for my main guitar amp, = sending=20 the signal via the effects loop into my looping gear, and then taking = that=20 signal and sending it to a Roland 50 watt keyboard amp.  Which, = as you=20 may have guessed, sounds pretty weak, especially for live = situations.  My=20 question is this: would it be wise to match the power from my main amp = (i.e.,=20 using another 100 watt tube amp), or is that unecessary, as my Rivera = would=20 already be amplifying the guitar signal in the frist place?  As = you can=20 tell, amps are my weak subject, and any help would be wonderful.

Thanks,

jonathan

 

------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2E839.5D625320-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 02:19:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2C7H0H19541; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 02:17:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 02:17:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030312071555.86721.qmail@web80215.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 23:15:55 -0800 (PST) From: Kirkland Mack Subject: Re: Tubes! They do a ____ good! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030311182052.7451.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-159396730-1047453355=:84484" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-159396730-1047453355=:84484 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well I'm not a huge fan of the THD amps. Something about the one I played through sounded stiff or harsh to me. Anyway for what I intedn to use it for, if it has a preamp, it would HAVE to have an fx loop. What I'd be using it for is running a standalone preamp into. There are lots of standalone preamps and standalone power amps, and there lots of guys who like power amp saturation, so why aren't there any standalone power amps designed to give "vintage" sound and pleasing overdrive? Actually my biggest dilemma of all is how to use rackmount FX with a cranked, low watt, vintage style amp. For example, lets say I want to use a Dr. Z Rt. 66 with an EDP, how the hell can I? That's not even so tricky. What about this: the Rt. 66 through something like the Sherman Filter Bank, or a Pitch Shifter, where being able to have the signal 100% wet or close to it is important? Is there no option for the truly tone-obsessed that will neither compromise the "vintage" tone or the modern processing/mangling capabilites? Greg House wrote:--- Kirkland Mack wrote: > > Aren't those Velocettes regular guitar amps though? Yep. > I'm just looking for the > power section, something like a Mesa 2:90 in a much smaller package, like about > 30 watts, that will produce great power tube saturation when cranked. How about a THD Univalve? It has a preamp, but you can tailor the preamp gain by tube selection. > It also seems like someone should have been smart enough to develop a > hybrid amp that has an SS preamp with a tube power section by now. MusicMan had a good sounding hybred amp like that in the 70s or early 80s. SS preamp, tube power amp. I thought they sounded great, but for whatever reason, they weren't very popular. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com --0-159396730-1047453355=:84484 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Well I'm not a huge fan of the THD amps. Something about the one I played through sounded stiff or harsh to me. Anyway for what I intedn to use it for, if it has a preamp, it would HAVE to have an fx loop. What I'd be using it for is running a standalone preamp into. There are lots of standalone preamps and standalone power amps, and there lots of guys who like power amp saturation, so why aren't there any standalone power amps designed to give "vintage" sound and pleasing overdrive? Actually my biggest dilemma of all is how to use rackmount FX with a cranked, low watt, vintage style amp. For example, lets say I want to use a Dr. Z Rt. 66 with an EDP, how the hell can I? That's not even so tricky. What about this: the Rt. 66 through something like the Sherman Filter Bank, or a Pitch Shifter, where being able to have the signal 100% wet or close to it is important? Is there no option for the truly tone-obsessed that will neither compromise the "vintage" tone or the modern processing/mangling capabilites?

 Greg House <ghunicycle@yahoo.com> wrote:

--- Kirkland Mack wrote:
>
> Aren't those Velocettes regular guitar amps though?

Yep.

> I'm just looking for the
> power section, something like a Mesa 2:90 in a much smaller package, like about
> 30 watts, that will produce great power tube saturation when cranked.

How about a THD Univalve? It has a preamp, but you can tailor the preamp gain by
tube selection.

> It also seems like someone should have been smart enough to develop a
> hybrid amp that has an SS preamp with a tube power section by now.

MusicMan had a good sounding hybred amp like that in the 70s or early 80s. SS
preamp, tube power amp. I thought they sounded great, but for whatever reason,
they weren't very popular.

Greg


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--0-159396730-1047453355=:84484-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 02:47:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2C7hw621910; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 02:43:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 02:43:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030311183717.90978.qmail@web80201.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030311183717.90978.qmail@web80201.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 04:43:39 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: second amp suggestions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com keep in mind that whatever may sound warm or whaterver from a guitar amp as long as you just play the guitar over it probably are distortions that create interferenced between several layers of a loop run over such amp. Unless you really want muddy loops, the looper output should go to a "neutral" amp like a monitor. All the coloring you like for the guitar should happen before the looper. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 03:11:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2C89TR24721; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 03:09:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 03:09:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030312080811.22698.qmail@web41103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:08:11 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Roger=20Gogniat?= Subject: Re: Ableton LIVE's ability to loop in real time To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000401c2e82d$a360d600$1d62f93f@global> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have tried to do real time looping with the Abelton Live 2.0 demo program. It is well explained in the user manual and it can be triggered by midi events. But first when I tried that the program had a little bug (but I think now it should be OK because I have told Abelton about this problem and they have said they wanted to correct it soon). Second, and I think this is the most problematic issue is sometimes when I was sending lot of midi messages the program was crashing really hard: this mean suddenly no music... So, regarding this, I can say that I am not enough confident for bringing a PC in a live situation. After all Windows is not a real time operating system and manipulating audio requires a real time system. So I think that a looper effect is more secure in a live context. What do you think? Regards --- "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" a écrit : > My brother Bill and I were discussing Ableton's LIVE today and it is my > impression that > you cannot looping in real time in that program. He thought you could and I > didn't see the NAMM demo of this cool program this year. > > in other words, you can play loops and move them around in real time > and you can record a passage into the program in real time, but I don't > think > you can make a loop on the fly that will keep looping if you don't make a > mouse move. > > Does anyone know the answer to this question? > > Also, I have noticed that Cycling 74's RADIAL (soon to be released on the > Mac side) and The DEVINE_MACHINE (for PC) both have fascinating realtime > manipulations of loops but > do not have the ability to loop in real time either (like the most basic DL4 > or Loopstation). > > Why is the computer world lagging so far behind the hardware loopers in this > respect? > > It would be so completely incredible to have the ability to use something > like LIVE > with realtime loop capabilities. > > Color me naive, but isn't it all just software programming? > > Set me straight, experts! > > yours, Rick > > ___________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 04:01:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2C8sCf29370; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 03:54:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 03:54:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: TopDeadCenter - who's tune is this??? Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:52:51 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <007c01c2e874$c3a3af90$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <00f201c2e840$348e7ee0$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h2C8qsM29286 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: Jimmy George Band [mailto:jg@jimmygeorgeband.com] > did someone from this list send out this short mp3 called > topdeadcenter? > > jimmy george Ooops.... Happened to touch that send button too early. Here's what was posted last week: > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: Dave Trenkel [mailto:improv@peak.org] > Skickat: den 3 mars 2003 01:44 > I just put up some mp3's from our gig last Thursday. The address is > http://www.newandimprov.com/TopDeadCenter.html Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com --> 1st Swedish Looping Festival From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 04:01:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2C8qeY29280; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 03:52:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 03:52:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: TopDeadCenter - who's tune is this??? Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:51:01 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <007b01c2e874$826b36b0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <00f201c2e840$348e7ee0$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > did someone from this list send out this short mp3 called > topdeadcenter? > > jimmy george Not "a short mp3" I would say, but this was posted last week: Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com --> 1st Swedish Looping Festival From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 04:23:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2C9JiS32457; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 04:19:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 04:19:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:18:43 +0100 Subject: cranked tube amp in looping setup? From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3130309123_226078_MIME_Part" Message-ID: <18t2Ns-1AzvxwC@fwd07.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 520012547034-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > DIESE NACHRICHT IST IN MIME-FORMAT. Da Ihr Mailreader dieses Format nicht unterstŸtzt, kšnnte diese Nachricht ganz oder teilweise unlesbar sein. --MS_Mac_OE_3130309123_226078_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > Greg House wrote: > Well I'm not a huge fan of the THD amps. Something about the one I played > through sounded stiff or harsh to me. Anyway for what I intedn to use it > for, if it has a preamp, it would HAVE to have an fx loop. What I'd be > using it for is running a standalone preamp into. There are lots of > standalone preamps and standalone power amps, and there lots of guys who > like power amp saturation, so why aren't there any standalone power amps > designed to give "vintage" sound and pleasing overdrive? Actually my > biggest dilemma of all is how to use rackmount FX with a cranked, low watt, > vintage style amp. For example, lets say I want to use a Dr. Z Rt. 66 with > an EDP, how the hell can I? That's not even so tricky. What about this: the > Rt. 66 through something like the Sherman Filter Bank, or a Pitch Shifter, > where being able to have the signal 100% wet or close to it is important? > Is there no option for the truly tone-obsessed that will neither compromise > the "vintage" tone or the modern processing/mangling capabilites? Yes, that's a dilemma. I use single channel, older guitar amps ('65 Ampeg Reverberocket, '58 Gibson GA-20) all without effect loops exclusively because I had my rack gear (t.c. G-force, EDP) modified for better frequency response and am using a buffer/router before my effects. I use pedals for my overdrive needs - before the looper(s) - easy and very controlled. Using the cranked sound of one of those small amps and combining that with a looping setup would be quite a task! I never tried it because I am afraid this could be rather hard to balance volumewise and also because I use 100% wet-type effects (whammy, compression, filters) that just don't work in a setup like that. But it could be done with some tinkering I think. You can lift a line out from your amp by tapping the signal from the loudspeaker. You'd have to knock down the signal to line level with some resistors (I had an amp tec doing this - works well) or you'd have to mike the amp (possibly in one of those isolation cabinets...), which increases schlepping factor and setup time considerably. My general feeling is that the playing styles through a cranked amp (expressive and raw) and the one for looping (a little more controlled) do not mix so well and that a I am quite happy if I send the whole schmutz to two (or sometimes three) nice sounding amps (vintage Jensen alnico speakers are indispensible for me!) with a good overdrive pedal (BJF Baby Blue Overdrive). I just make shure that my main loop (usually EDP) is running through one amp only, the other one is free for a nicely separated solo tone. Best, Andreas --MS_Mac_OE_3130309123_226078_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable cranked tube amp in looping setup? >  Greg House wrote:
> Well I'm not a huge fan of the THD amps. Something about the one I pla= yed
> through sounded stiff or harsh to me. Anyway for what I intedn to use = it
> for, if it has a preamp, it would HAVE to have an fx loop. What I'd be=
> using it for is running a standalone preamp into. There are lots of > standalone preamps and standalone power amps, and there lots of guys w= ho
> like power amp saturation, so why aren't there any standalone power am= ps
> designed to give "vintage" sound and pleasing overdrive? Act= ually my
> biggest dilemma of all is how to use rackmount FX with a cranked, low = watt,
> vintage style amp. For example, lets say I want to use a Dr. Z Rt. 66 = with
> an EDP, how the hell can I? That's not even so tricky. What about this= : the
> Rt. 66 through something like the Sherman Filter Bank, or a Pitch Shif= ter,
> where being able to have the signal 100% wet or close to it is importa= nt?
> Is there no option for the truly tone-obsessed that will neither compr= omise
> the "vintage" tone or the modern processing/mangling capabil= ites?

Yes, that's a dilemma. I use single channel, older guitar amps ('65 Ampeg R= everberocket, '58 Gibson GA-20) all without effect loops exclusively because= I had my rack gear (t.c. G-force, EDP) modified for better frequency respon= se and am using a buffer/router before my effects. I use pedals for my overd= rive needs - before the looper(s) - easy and very controlled.

Using the cranked sound of one of those small amps and combining that with = a looping setup would be quite a task! I never tried it because I am afraid = this could be rather hard to balance volumewise and also because I use 100% = wet-type effects (whammy, compression, filters) that just don't work in a se= tup like that. But it could be done with some tinkering I think. You can lif= t a line out from your amp by tapping the signal from the loudspeaker. You'd= have to knock down the signal to line level with some resistors (I had an a= mp tec doing this - works well) or you'd have to mike the amp (possibly in o= ne of those isolation cabinets...), which increases schlepping factor and se= tup time considerably.

My general feeling is that the playing styles through a cranked amp (expres= sive and raw) and the one for looping (a little more controlled)  do no= t mix so well and that a I am quite happy if I send the whole schmutz to two= (or sometimes three) nice sounding amps (vintage Jensen alnico speakers are= indispensible for me!) with a good overdrive pedal (BJF Baby Blue Overdrive= ). I just make shure that my main loop (usually EDP) is running through one = amp only, the other one is free for a nicely separated solo tone.

Best, Andreas --MS_Mac_OE_3130309123_226078_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 05:04:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CA2Ud04191; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 05:02:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 05:02:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030312105852.015f8c00@pop.free.fr> X-Sender: waveform@pop.free.fr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:01:22 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: daviD Subject: Re: CHEAP SOLUTION to Breakbeat creation for Live Looping In-Reply-To: <200303120133.h2C1XVL08121@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-6A8014D4; boundary="=======4BA5767D=======" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=======4BA5767D======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-6A8014D4; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:43:48 -0800 >From: Mark Hamburg >Subject: Re: CHEAP SOLUTION to Breakbeat creation for Live Looping > >Does the SQ16 support controller information in addition to note >information? I don't think so... It's intended to be used as a drum sequencer with 3 additional monophonic tracks so they didn't implement other functions that would have been nice like continuous controllers etc. Disclaimer : I don't have a sq16 but I've read the manual ;) "What sounds to you like a big load of trashy old noise is in fact the brilliant music of the genius, myself" Iggy Pop --=======4BA5767D=======-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 05:08:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CA64B04646; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 05:06:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 05:06:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <183.180b5470.2ba06031@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 05:04:33 EST Subject: Re: SV: EDP LoopIV SUSMute question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > A cool thing I found out about using midi volume is that if you are > tweaking the volume level (midi cc 7) while overdubbing, then the volume > changes are getting recorded and will "play back" with the next loop > round. I discovered it back on LOOP3 (have not tried with LOOP4 yet) > when playing with my midi guitar. I could "play" tremolo with the midi > volume knob on the guitar. This way you can imprint your loop with a > rhythmic tremolo pattern that is working together with the actual looped > audio. Way fun! Hi Per, (and all ) Just checked, that doesn't happen on Loop4. However, with the analog feedback pedal and using Replace Mode you get that exact effect with the pedal. (that's what Replace Mode is all about!) The other way to do this is set up a FCB1010 so that the pedals control FB and Vol on the EDP. As the pedals are right next to each other you can work them both with one foot. Don't bother trying to set VolumeCont and FeedBkCont to the same value in an effort to get the same effect with one MIDI pedal. It doesn't work. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 05:22:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CAI7U05645; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 05:18:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 05:18:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: SV: EDP LoopIV SUSMute question Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:17:02 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <008801c2e880$868a3e60$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <183.180b5470.2ba06031@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > A cool thing I found out about using midi volume is that if > you are > > tweaking the volume level (midi cc 7) while overdubbing, then the > > volume changes are getting recorded and will "play back" with the > > next loop round. I discovered it back on LOOP3 (have not > tried with > > LOOP4 yet) when playing with my midi guitar. I could > "play" tremolo > > with the midi volume knob on the guitar. This way you can imprint > > your loop with a rhythmic tremolo pattern that is working together > > with the actual looped audio. Way fun! > > Hi Per, (and all ) > Just checked, that doesn't happen on Loop4. > However, with the analog feedback pedal and using > Replace Mode you get that exact effect with the pedal. > (that's what Replace Mode is all about!) > > The other way to do this is set up a FCB1010 so that the > pedals control FB and Vol on the EDP. As the pedals are > right next to each other you can work them both with one foot. > > Don't bother trying to set VolumeCont and FeedBkCont to the > same value in an effort to get the same effect with one > MIDI pedal. It doesn't work. > > andy butler Thanks, Andy. I was just thinking about trying that ;-) The "two pedals" is not available here as I need one pedal for the Repeater. Well, I guess you just can't have everything. Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com --> 1st Swedish Looping Festival From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 05:59:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CAqsa08982; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 05:52:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 05:52:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <7a.3ad9239b.2ba06b4b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 05:51:55 EST Subject: Re: Ableton LIVE's ability to loop in real time To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <-o65LC.A.VHC.YFxb-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hi Rick, > > This is Link (devine machine conceptor) ,=20 > > I could easily add a realtime record into devine machine ,=20 > but there is one problem : > > - how many loopers would go on stage with a computer better than a = > little rack ? > > Well anyway I could add some midi keys to start recording/overdub.. on = > start of bar (with some options eventually) , then loop back while the = > devine machine Liveloop! feature could support all other looping live = > triggerring.... > > So I need everybody to tell me precisely what would be needed on that to = > bring happyness to the community ;) (I mean conception details) > First.... being able to start and stop a recording instantaneously , with a MIDI controller, and have playback start exactly when record ends. You'll need to compensate for hardware latency, and make the loop start/end glitch-free. now you're "livelooping" and there'll never be any shortage of features that people want you to implement. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 06:22:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CBHFo12297; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 06:17:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 06:17:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:19:14 +0000 Subject: Re: Ableton LIVE's ability to loop in real time From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7a.3ad9239b.2ba06b4b@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It would be really cool if you wrote the live looping part especially for one foot controller e.g. the beringer fcb, so that i could buy the software, buy the footcontroller and be up and running straight away. This would give the feel of having a dedicated hardware unit straight out of the box. As for latencies I don't understand the big deal, just got the programma ASIO driver for my M-Box, this happily runs at 7ms, which to me is almost unnoticeable and I bet no worse than alot of digital equipment. It seems that most sound cards manage these low latencies now. The key is feeling like you can buy a piece of software and use it straight away, that will encourage people to move to computers. Geoff (please do a Macintosh port!!!! as there are currently no software realtime loopers for the Mac, apart from some very limited max/msp patches, even JHNO's looper is unusable due to the glitching created when you hit record also no overdub!!! ArggHHHHHHH!!!!) Geoff! on 12/3/03 10:51 am, SoundFNR@aol.com at SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: >> Hi Rick, >> >> This is Link (devine machine conceptor) ,=20 >> >> I could easily add a realtime record into devine machine ,=20 >> but there is one problem : >> >> - how many loopers would go on stage with a computer better than a = >> little rack ? >> >> Well anyway I could add some midi keys to start recording/overdub.. on = >> start of bar (with some options eventually) , then loop back while the = >> devine machine Liveloop! feature could support all other looping live = >> triggerring.... >> >> So I need everybody to tell me precisely what would be needed on that to = >> bring happyness to the community ;) (I mean conception details) >> > > First.... being able to start and stop a recording instantaneously , > with a MIDI controller, > and have playback start exactly when record ends. > > You'll need to compensate for hardware latency, and make the loop > start/end glitch-free. > > now you're "livelooping" > > and there'll never be any shortage of features that > people want you to implement. > > andy butler > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 06:39:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CBXHo13363; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 06:33:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 06:33:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Ableton LIVE's ability to loop in real time Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:30:35 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <008901c2e88a$cca6a780$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h2CBUdM13211 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Från: Geoff Smith [mailto:geoff.smith15@btopenworld.com] > As > for latencies I don't understand the big deal, just got the > programma ASIO driver for my M-Box, this happily runs at 7ms, ...and when it comes to looping, latency is hardly an issue since any recorded sound won't have to be played back until on the next loop round. That is if as long as you do not glitch 7 ms loops ;-) Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com --> 1st Swedish Looping Festival From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 07:14:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CCAlP17356; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 07:10:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 07:10:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007001c2e890$2ce476e0$1955f7a5@D9MS6F11> From: "The Tuned Univerese - Webmaster" To: References: <7B357ECD.1E769533.0C32E62B@aol.com> Subject: Re: Collaborator wanted Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 07:08:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi my name is Jeff Bragg and I might be able to help you. I'm sure that you've had many replies from this group and you'll have many interesting folks to choose from. I'm in my late forties and live in Northern Virginia. I also have just about everything I need to tackle projects like this. You can find some examples of my ambient looping work at http://tuned.universe.home.mindspring.com/news.htm . There are three cuts from my latest album "Dark Guitars" there. I'd also be glad to provide you with more clips if you like. If you've any questions, please email me. Cheers, Jeff Bragg ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 1:12 PM Subject: Collaborator wanted > I am a composer in my 40's living in Long Island looking for a collaborator for film scores and other non-related projects. My composing strengths lie in the originality and variety of style but I am looking for someone who is more grounded in textures and rhythms to balance out my tendancies. Any interest, please write to mooveetoon@aol.com > > Adam Kane > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 08:52:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CDl8M27409; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 08:47:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 08:47:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000401c2e89d$b3607db0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <4D1F9CF4-53E4-11D7-BC0C-00039375AF3C@sonic.net> Subject: Re: Analog delay virtual oscillator trick... Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 08:45:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <36K_6D.A.3qG.Zozb-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Dennis Leas, how can we get Kyma to do a regenerating delay line with > this much character? I'm going to have to reconnect my soundcard and take a listen to: > > http://www.neoprimitive.net/jlucas/tmp/analogdelaywank.mp3 but I *love* this kind of tweakage! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 09:07:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CE2X330278; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:02:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:02:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200303121402.h2CE24M30199@hemlock.violacea.com> From: paulrichard10@attbi.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looping Gear, et al For Sale Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:01:59 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 5 2002) X-Authenticated-Sender: cGF1bHJpY2hhcmQxMEBhdHRiaS5jb20= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, all: I'm going to sell some gear via eBay but thought I'd offer it for sale here first for those interested. LINE6 Echo Pro: **MINT** condition. Includes all original docs, power cable (I may have the original box. Have to check). $235. Shipping UPS Ground $13.50. BOSS Loop Station: **MINT** condition. Includes all original docs, Sample CD, original box. Power cable is not included with the BOSS from factory. $230.00. Shipping UPS Ground $10.00. Paypal, Money Orders (USPS preferred) and personal checks accepted (must clear first). Regards, Paul 412-327-2306 (cell) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 09:52:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CEj5n03093; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:45:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:45:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 08:35:34 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: finally good family feedback on loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com my brother thinks that all my "loop experiments" sound like "WHALE SONGS" (he's of course thinking of that experimental ditty the partridge family did w/ the whales back in the early 70's, a favorite of ours). and i will grant that i occasionally like to use ye ole volume pedal w/ distortion and chorus/flange/delay for that occasional "whale" sound, but not all the time. s--- >my brother calls my loops 'amusical' > >stan > -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 10:08:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CF08v05999; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:00:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:00:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030312145929.76010.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 06:59:29 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: delay time + Echo Pro ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030311174859.93168.qmail@web11402.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Rich, I am also an Echo pro user, (although i dont use it as a looper) it seems a little weak on the gain, i have its input all the way to the right is this also the case with you? Oh and can you please develop more on this what is "bar resolution"? L.a > > Regarding the bar resolution, yes, you can save the > resolution per program, and you can even morph > between > resolutions per program with an expression pedal or > CC. > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 10:12:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CF7d406874; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:07:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:07:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030312150506.52555.qmail@web40505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 07:05:06 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: RE: Your Request for Behringer FCB 1010 new O.S. upgrades To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000901c2e7f5$f1d8b470$542f04d1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Dave, I can actually control most or all of the functions on the EDP with my FCB 1010.Which ones can you not maybe we can help? Are you still using your GC? Cheers L.a --- future perfect wrote: > These things are on the 'Upgrade Wish List' on the > FCB Yahoo Groups > site. Every week or so, I forward this list to > Behringer. > It is frustrating to me that I can't control my EDP > and send note on > commands to my synth. > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > > > Good idea. I'd also like to see the ability to > make the CC > > and Note-on/off capability programme-specific > rather than > > globally decided. So that I don't have to decide > on one piece > > of gear to receive these messages. > > > > I'll sign > > Thanks. > > > > Ian. > > > > > > At 15:03 11/03/03 , you wrote: > > >To all FCB 1010 users, > > >One of the features missing in the FCB 1010 is > the > > >toggle and momentary switch mode, which would > allow us > > >to know the state of the pedal. For example if i > want > > >to mute individual tracks on the repeater or turn > FXs > > >on and off on my guitar preamp i have no way of > > >knowing which one is on or off.It is very > frustating > > >muting a track from the repeater and after > switching > > >banks and doing tap dancing not knowing which > track is > > >muted and which one isn´t. > > >So since many of you use the FCB 1010 i want to > gather > > >your signatures so that i can write Behringer and > > >maybe they will work on a new o.s.I requested > this a > > >while ago and they said they would work on new > > >upgrades only depending on the demand.You could > of > > >course write them personally as well. > > >Please write other features you would like to > have and > > >i will foward it to them. > > >Just an idea > > >L.a > > > > > >===== > > >www.labalou.com > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Do you Yahoo!? > > >Yahoo! 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Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 10:39:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CFTtr09969; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:29:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:29:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:28:32 EST Subject: Re: Ableton LIVE's ability to loop in real time To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h2CFSdM09857 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 3/11/03 9:56:54 PM, zvonar@zvonar.com writes: >Also, please port Devine Machine to the Macintosh, for those of us >who don't want to own a PC. Yes, please do. You have my vote. tEd ® kiLLiAn ArsOcarina@aol.com http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 10:43:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CFcCH10842; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:38:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:38:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030312153443.21448.qmail@web40502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 07:34:43 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Vermona RackMix 82 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030301223130.27414.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there Does anybody have any links to this mixer and would it do the job replacing something like the mackie 1202VLZ? a carrying issue,of course:-) l.a ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 10:43:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CFcEY10846; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:38:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:38:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030312153517.67361.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 07:35:17 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: cranked tube amp in looping setup? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <18t2Ns-1AzvxwC@fwd07.sul.t-online.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Andreas Willers wrote about his: > '58 Gibson GA-20 Is yours a Crest or a Ranger (GA-20T, same amp with tremolo, which is what my '59 is)? I love mine; bought it in the 70's, sold it in the early 80's, and was fortunate enough to buy it back in the early 90's. Seems like way more than 16 watts... -t- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 10:57:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CFpwK13121; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:51:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:51:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Your Request for Behringer FCB 1010 new O.S. upgrades Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:50:39 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01c2e8af$2173e740$542f04d1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <20030312150506.52555.qmail@web40505.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h2CFogM12955 Resent-Message-ID: <5hZ3ZC.A.vKD.Sd1b-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ahh, thanks for the offer. I can actually control the EDP with the FCB1010. Problem is, the 'note on' midi channel is set globally rather than *per preset*. So I either can control my EDP, or globally set the midi channel to the synth to play bass notes with my feet. For right now, I am using the FCB with the EDP footpedal right in back of it, and this seems to be the best solution right now. At least until Behringer comes up with an update. And no, I sold my Ground Control on Ebay- it was much too limited and there was no way to store the sysex...after a few power failures (the storms in Florida are hellish) scrambled the memory, I had to spend hours re-programming. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > Hi Dave, > I can actually control most or all of the functions on > the EDP with my FCB 1010.Which ones can you not maybe > we can help? Are you still using your GC? > Cheers > L.a > > --- future perfect wrote: > > These things are on the 'Upgrade Wish List' on the > > FCB Yahoo Groups > > site. Every week or so, I forward this list to > > Behringer. > > It is frustrating to me that I can't control my EDP > > and send note on > > commands to my synth. > > > > Dave Eichenberger > > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Good idea. I'd also like to see the ability to > > make the CC > > > and Note-on/off capability programme-specific > > rather than > > > globally decided. So that I don't have to decide > > on one piece > > > of gear to receive these messages. > > > > > > I'll sign > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Ian. > > > > > > > > > At 15:03 11/03/03 , you wrote: > > > >To all FCB 1010 users, > > > >One of the features missing in the FCB 1010 is > > the > > > >toggle and momentary switch mode, which would > > allow us > > > >to know the state of the pedal. For example if i > > want > > > >to mute individual tracks on the repeater or turn > > FXs > > > >on and off on my guitar preamp i have no way of > > > >knowing which one is on or off.It is very > > frustating > > > >muting a track from the repeater and after > > switching > > > >banks and doing tap dancing not knowing which > > track is > > > >muted and which one isn´t. > > > >So since many of you use the FCB 1010 i want to > > gather > > > >your signatures so that i can write Behringer and > > > >maybe they will work on a new o.s.I requested > > this a > > > >while ago and they said they would work on new > > > >upgrades only depending on the demand.You could > > of > > > >course write them personally as well. > > > >Please write other features you would like to > > have and > > > >i will foward it to them. > > > >Just an idea > > > >L.a > > > > > > > >===== > > > >www.labalou.com > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > > >Do you Yahoo!? > > > >Yahoo! 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Web Hosting - establish your business online > http://webhosting.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 11:29:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CGHXL18354; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:17:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:17:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 08:19:04 -0800 Subject: Re: Loop4 EXP mode: An observation From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 3/11/03 12:07 PM, Matthias Grob at matthias@grob.org wrote: > hm, you want the pedal to control FB while Overdub is engaged and the > front pot when nothing is added to the loop? So you need to go to the > front pannel when you want a plain fade out (your second state)... > does not quite make sense to me... can you explain? I'm going to have to go to the panel either for fade out or for changing feedback while evolving the loop. Fade out strikes me as the better of the two for which to sacrifice foot control. With Loop mode, you obviously can get both a Hold and a Fade by adjusting the feedback pedal, but it's more of a dance if you want to overdub for a while at lower feedback and then go into hold. I guess the thing to do would be to do the overdubbing, then take the feedback to 100%, and then exit overdub. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 11:34:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CGQlA19419; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:26:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:26:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 08:26:05 -0800 Subject: Re: second amp suggestions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <52831086-54A7-11D7-A143-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Really good point Matthias. The prime setup is have your pre-amp looper then a clean power amp. If I could find a tube combo amp that's got a stereo effects send, that would be the best, but I don't even think it exists! Mark On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, at 11:43 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: > > All the coloring you like for the guitar should happen before the > looper. > -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 11:42:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CGX3t20295; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:33:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:33:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008001c2e882$a6ba87b0$65c9f5d1@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <000c01c2e8af$2173e740$542f04d1@home> Subject: one more FCB issue... Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:32:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ok, so i've got it controlling the EDP...just had to put the manual down and go with my intuition (and a lot of power-downs and power-ups)...and now it appears that the feedback or volume control is being decreased involuntarily. i haven't assigned either expression pedal and the feedback on the EDP is set to 100%. it only started after i had the two successfully communicating. has this happened to anybody else? -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 12:06:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CGvwZ23617; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:57:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:57:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 08:56:46 -0800 Subject: Re: Analog delay virtual oscillator trick... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000401c2e89d$b3607db0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Message-Id: <9C165184-54AB-11D7-A143-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sweet track! Reminisant of some of the "bonus" tracks Beck puts at the ends of his albums. (though I hate that 15 minute song with 10 min of silence in the middle) Good show! Mark On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, at 05:45 AM, Dennis Leas wrote: >> Dennis Leas, how can we get Kyma to do a regenerating delay line with >> this much character? > > I'm going to have to reconnect my soundcard and take a listen to: >>> http://www.neoprimitive.net/jlucas/tmp/analogdelaywank.mp3 > > but I *love* this kind of tweakage! > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mail.worldserver.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 12:21:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CH6xs25907; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:06:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:06:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:08:03 -0800 Subject: Re: CHEAP SOLUTION to Breakbeat creation for Live Looping From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030312105852.015f8c00@pop.free.fr> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, it doesn't look like the Electribes support sending control sequence information either. Since I don't need a sound source, maybe I should hunt for an SQ16. Either that or I need to look at other MIDI step sequencers. Question for the Kaoss Pad 2 owners: Can it loop controller information? An SQ16 + a KP2 ceases to be a "cheap" solution but it might be what's required for live MIDI work short of having a laptop in the rig. Mark on 3/12/03 2:01 AM, daviD at waveform@free.fr wrote: > >> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:43:48 -0800 >> From: Mark Hamburg >> Subject: Re: CHEAP SOLUTION to Breakbeat creation for Live Looping >> >> Does the SQ16 support controller information in addition to note >> information? > > I don't think so... > It's intended to be used as a drum sequencer with 3 additional monophonic > tracks so they didn't implement other functions that would have been nice > like continuous controllers etc. > > Disclaimer : I don't have a sq16 but I've read the manual ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 12:25:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CH8AA26082; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:08:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:08:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.14.93.11] From: "Will Wright" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: An Introduction (new guy) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:07:13 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Mar 2003 17:07:13.0329 (UTC) FILETIME=[D3696A10:01C2E8B9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Unfortunatly I don't have a mike capable of getting those sounds :) I actually found the sounds in an old archive of bug recordings that I came across when looking for engine sounds. I went looking for the link again and can't find it at all, hmm, I will post it later if I can find it. Will Wright >From: "Jimmy George Band" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: An Introduction (new guy) >Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:46:08 -0700 > >neat stuff will. wacky stuff! i liked the bug song especially. tell me more >about how you recorded this one? > >thanks, >jimmy george >http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark Sottilaro >To: >Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 7:36 PM >Subject: Re: An Introduction (new guy) > > > > Welcome Will! > > > > This is the best music list going. I've almost never had a question go > > unanswered or have at least 5 different opinions stated about any > > topic, although I think the main focus is looping audio.... with tube > > amps! ;) (Don't kill me Kim or you'll never get your speaker stands! I > > swear I'll bring them by soon...) > > > > Anyway, I'm out the door right now, but I can't wait to listen to your > > post. > > > > Mark Sottilaro > > > > On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, at 04:49 PM, Willq Wright wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello, after much prodding and reminding by the illustrious Mr. > > > Sottilaro I have joined. > > > > > > A bit about me: > > > > > > After years of ignoring music almost entirely (minus a few aborted > > > attempts to learn Guitar, Trumpet, and the Harmonica, I got OK at the > > > harmonica, but I digress) I discovered circuitbent instruments > > > (mangled and tortured toys screeching for their lives) and suddenly > > > got a bee in my bonnet that maybe I could do this too. > > > > > > My next couple of experiments seemed to prove me right and off I went. > > > > > > I am pretty low-tech so far, my spiffiest bit of hardware is my KP2 > > > kaoss pad, but cheap or free software and funky old laptops are my > > > friend. > > > > > > I have some stuff up at www.mp3.com/perkis_red_sweater which is a sort > > > of in joke and what I like to think of as my side project for a band > > > that is yet to exist (I fancy myself amusing sometimes) > > > > > > That is pretty much it, Hi everyone, looking forward to the ride! > > > > > > Will Wright > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. 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Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 12:56:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CHqkC32450; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:52:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:52:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030312175004.27243.qmail@web10901.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:50:04 -0800 (PST) From: Will Reply-To: will@luktown.org Subject: Real time Computer Looping.....was: Ableton LIVE's ability to loop in real time To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200303121557.h2CFvf013872@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Some one already mentioned it already but ambiloop just about rules. new version just came out and it seems to be a rock. the only reason I dont use it live is cause no one has been nice enough to give me a laptop. There is also Audiomulch. the program was made to process live inputs from the get go. you can download some delay VSTs (i've seen them go up to 60 seconds) or that neato elotronix/frippertronix VST. i'm spellin' that wrong but a little googling should make you happy. audiomulch is amazing as well. Both programs are midi foot controller friendly. Ambiloop is a dedicated looper and is free (thank you chris!). Audiomulch is a full fledged modular synth with all manner of goodies and VST support for 50 bucks or so. demand peace, will ===== ----------- http://www.luktown.org __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 14:01:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CIr2q07857; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:53:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:53:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030312102218.04aa7008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:51:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: SV: Ableton LIVE's ability to loop in real time In-Reply-To: <008901c2e88a$cca6a780$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:30 AM 3/12/2003, Per Boysen wrote: > > Från: Geoff Smith [mailto:geoff.smith15@btopenworld.com] > > As > > for latencies I don't understand the big deal, just got the > > programma ASIO driver for my M-Box, this happily runs at 7ms, > >...and when it comes to looping, latency is hardly an issue since any >recorded sound won't have to be played back until on the next loop >round. That is if as long as you do not glitch 7 ms loops ;-) there is also control latency in this case. When you tell it to do something, how long does it take before it does it? Will it always take exactly the same amount of time no matter what, or can it vary when the system is busy with other tasks? When you are trying to tap things with rhythm, this is important. It can be very difficult to guarantee this type of operation in a non-realtime os, like windows, macos, linux, etc. That is why real-time operating systems exist. Also "any recorded sound won't have to be played back until the next loop round" is only true in the most simplistic approach to looping. For example, what if you tap reverse while you are overdubbing? whatever was just recorded needs to be played back immediately or you will get a pop, and that pop could end up recorded in the loop since overdub is on... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 14:09:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CJ07710091; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:00:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:00:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200303121402.h2CE24M30199@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200303121402.h2CE24M30199@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:57:43 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Echoplex sighting Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: -4.7 () IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.29 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was just watching the DVD to "Scratch", Doug Pray's excellent documentary on DJ culture. On the bonus disc, there's some excerpts from a video series called "Battle Sounds", and in one excerpt, DJ Radar demonstrates turntable looping, with just 1 turntable, a mixer and an EDP. You have to step through the video frame by frame to see that it's an EDP, there's just one brief shot of the foot controller, and as the camera pans over the turntable, you can very briefly see the front panel. The performance is pretty interesting, though short, he builds up rhythms from single drum hits, adds bass lines, plays melodies on sustained synth notes, uses undo a lot to drop out parts, etc., all very fluid and smooth. I've often been surprised that more DJ's don't loop, I know there have been a few on this list, but it seems pretty rare. The DJ I work with is just getting started with it himself. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 14:09:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CIwFF08599; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:58:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:58:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <46.367fb1e8.2ba0dc8f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:55:11 EST Subject: Re: SV: Ableton LIVE's ability to loop in real time To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > for latencies I don't understand the big deal, just got the=20 > > programma ASIO driver for my M-Box, this happily runs at 7ms,=20 > > ...and when it comes to looping, latency is hardly an issue since any > recorded sound won't have to be played back until on the next loop > round. That is if as long as you do not glitch 7 ms loops ;-) > Depends on the effect you want to achieve though. With the EDP playback starts as soon as record ends, which means that the loop starts out precisely in time. This is essential if live-syncing to other musicians, if there's any noticeable latency then the loop starts out behind the beat. The same applies when going straight into overdub from record when you want the timing to be accurate. It doesn't matter to everybody, but those who worry about such things will complain quite loudly. Also, the Overdubs generally need to be latency compensated to get them in the right place. As Per points out, quite often the latency won't matter to people, and in a lot of situations no-one would notice. I would have thought any live looping program would want to eliminate latency as much as possible though, it would be really nice if the program could "play" a test pulse which could be routed out of the soundcard , and then back in again and recorded. The value obtained could then be used to make everything line up. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 14:11:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CIxgU10032; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:59:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:59:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030312105231.04b2b420@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:58:23 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Ableton LIVE's ability to loop in real time In-Reply-To: <000401c2e82d$a360d600$1d62f93f@global> References: <200212130622.BAA09541@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:23 PM 3/11/2003, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: >My brother Bill and I were discussing Ableton's LIVE today and it is my >impression that >you cannot looping in real time in that program. He thought you could and I >didn't see the NAMM demo of this cool program this year. I think Bill is right, I had the guy demonstrate this feature for me. It is really not the main thrust of the program, but it can record a loop while it is playing back other material. I don't think it can do overdubbing or anything else like that, it seemed pretty basic in this regard. >Also, I have noticed that Cycling 74's RADIAL (soon to be released on the >Mac side) and The DEVINE_MACHINE (for PC) both have fascinating realtime >manipulations of loops but >do not have the ability to loop in real time either (like the most basic DL4 >or Loopstation). > >Why is the computer world lagging so far behind the hardware loopers in this >respect? these programs are created for live remixing, not live looping of real instruments being played. They don't do what you want because they were created to do something else. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 14:11:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CJ3om11049; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:03:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:03:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:02:57 -0800 Message-ID: <3E3AE1880002F59D@mta8.wss.scd.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: RE: Ableton LIVE's ability to loop in real time To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h2CJ34M10890 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Richard... I can't believe I left out the URL... %-) peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:53:40 -0800 >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >From: Richard Zvonar >Subject: RE: Ableton LIVE's ability to loop in real time >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >At 5:20 PM -0800 3/11/03, Chris Roberts wrote: >>hey, check out AmbiLoop! > >http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/ >-- > >______________________________________________________________ >Richard Zvonar, PhD >(818) 788-2202 >http://www.zvonar.com >http://RZCybernetics.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 14:12:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CJ37E10920; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:03:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:03:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:01:52 EST Subject: Re: An Introduction (bugs) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 3/12/03 9:08:30 AM, armyofpie@hotmail.com writes: << found the sounds in an old archive of bug recordings that I came across when looking for engine sounds. I went looking for the link again and can't find it at all, hmm, I will post it later if I can find it. >> Did someone say bugs? Here is a new archive: http://cmave.usda.ufl.edu/~rmankin/soundlibrary.html Reference Library of Digitized Insect Sounds regards BobC The Thumb Piano Project www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 14:21:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CJCCF12735; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:12:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:12:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003e01c2e8cb$1e2288a0$700018ac@jnpr.net> Reply-To: From: To: References: <20030312080811.22698.qmail@web41103.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Ableton LIVE's ability to loop in real time Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:10:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - hummer.alwayswebhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - groovetronica.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What version of windows were you using? I haven't crashed live yet (and don't want to get hooked on another 'dangerous' program). I'm using it with lots of midi. bIz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Gogniat" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 12:08 AM Subject: Re: Ableton LIVE's ability to loop in real time I have tried to do real time looping with the Abelton Live 2.0 demo program. It is well explained in the user manual and it can be triggered by midi events. But first when I tried that the program had a little bug (but I think now it should be OK because I have told Abelton about this problem and they have said they wanted to correct it soon). Second, and I think this is the most problematic issue is sometimes when I was sending lot of midi messages the program was crashing really hard: this mean suddenly no music... So, regarding this, I can say that I am not enough confident for bringing a PC in a live situation. After all Windows is not a real time operating system and manipulating audio requires a real time system. So I think that a looper effect is more secure in a live context. What do you think? Regards --- "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" a écrit : > My brother Bill and I were discussing Ableton's LIVE today and it is my > impression that > you cannot looping in real time in that program. He thought you could and I > didn't see the NAMM demo of this cool program this year. > > in other words, you can play loops and move them around in real time > and you can record a passage into the program in real time, but I don't > think > you can make a loop on the fly that will keep looping if you don't make a > mouse move. > > Does anyone know the answer to this question? > > Also, I have noticed that Cycling 74's RADIAL (soon to be released on the > Mac side) and The DEVINE_MACHINE (for PC) both have fascinating realtime > manipulations of loops but > do not have the ability to loop in real time either (like the most basic DL4 > or Loopstation). > > Why is the computer world lagging so far behind the hardware loopers in this > respect? > > It would be so completely incredible to have the ability to use something > like LIVE > with realtime loop capabilities. > > Color me naive, but isn't it all just software programming? > > Set me straight, experts! > > yours, Rick > > ___________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 14:30:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CJFCf13441; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:15:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:15:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:13:47 -0800 Message-ID: <3E3AE1880002F615@mta8.wss.scd.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3E3AE1880002F59D@mta8.wss.scd.yahoo.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: RE: Ableton LIVE's ability to loop in real time To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h2CJDrM13161 Resent-Message-ID: <1nMVhD.A.4ND.xb4b-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com But, to be clear, the new features, I listed, are in the beta version, which is not on the evenfall.com site, but hosted at the ambiloop yahoo group (say that 3 times fast)... peace -cpr p.s. if I respond to my own emails too often will I go blind? >-- Original Message -- >Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:02:57 -0800 >From: "Chris Roberts" >Subject: RE: Ableton LIVE's ability to loop in real time >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >Thanks Richard... I can't believe I left out the URL... %-) > >peace >-cpr > >>-- Original Message -- >>Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:53:40 -0800 >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>From: Richard Zvonar >>Subject: RE: Ableton LIVE's ability to loop in real time >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> >>At 5:20 PM -0800 3/11/03, Chris Roberts wrote: >>>hey, check out AmbiLoop! >> >>http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/ >>-- >> >>______________________________________________________________ >>Richard Zvonar, PhD >>(818) 788-2202 >>http://www.zvonar.com >>http://RZCybernetics.com >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 14:36:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CJHKf13941; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:17:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:17:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007d01c2e8cb$eea52280$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: Subject: Re: second amp suggestions Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:16:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com as well check out the johnson line. ive been playing their j150 stereo amp for 7 years now and love them allot! they have unfortunately gone out of business but you can find them real cheap with midi controller for around 600 new even. digitech will still honor repair and warranty. 3 cents worth jg http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Hamburg To: Looper's Delight Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 9:26 PM Subject: Re: second amp suggestions > on 3/11/03 1:47 PM, Guywithatele@aol.com at Guywithatele@aol.com wrote: > > > Fender is trying to model all their old amps with the Cyber Twin which is > > memorizing to watch as all the little dials slowly rotate per preset. > > The Yamaha DG80 does this as well. The DG amps are some of the nicer > sounding modeling amps. I think AMS has them relatively cheap right now. > > Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 14:39:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CJXNo16362; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:33:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:33:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000001c2e8cd$518f9820$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <007b01c2e874$826b36b0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> Subject: Re: TopDeadCenter - who's tune is this??? Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:22:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com short or not i think it is brilliant work. are u on it per? sweet! jg ----- Original Message ----- From: Per Boysen To: Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 1:51 AM Subject: SV: TopDeadCenter - who's tune is this??? > > did someone from this list send out this short mp3 called > > topdeadcenter? > > > > jimmy george > > > Not "a short mp3" I would say, but this was posted last week: > > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > ________________ > www.boysen.se > www.looproom.com --> 1st Swedish Looping Festival > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 14:41:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CJNlM14986; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:23:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:23:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030312192214.19366.qmail@web11404.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:22:14 -0800 (PST) From: "Rich R." Subject: Re: one more FCB issue... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <008001c2e882$a6ba87b0$65c9f5d1@g0wn7> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jim, Did you check to see what MIDI channels the expression pedals are assigned to? If you don't want them controlling the EDP, then definately change their channels. If you do want them to control the EDP, then I'd check to see what CC# each is assigned per footswitch. It's a pain, but the FCB1010 comes preprogrammed to be compatible with other Behringer units. What I did when I got mine was erase all of the programs by making a blank one and then copying that program to the rest of the 99 programs in the FCB1010. Also, this is a must, did you recalibrate your expression pedals? They have a weird tendancy to adopt odd values if not calibrated correctly. For instance, my expression pedal B would take on the values 127 for the low value and 128 for the high value. I had to recalibrate it a couple of times before that behavior stopped. And it wasn't a matter of putting the pedal full down and up, I had to leave a couple of hex value's play at both ends. Once you start to calibrate, what I just said will make more sense. Good luck! Rich --- jimfowler wrote: > ok, so i've got it controlling the EDP...just had to > put the manual down and > go with my intuition (and a lot of power-downs and > power-ups)...and now it > appears that the feedback or volume control is being > decreased > involuntarily. i haven't assigned either expression > pedal and the feedback > on the EDP is set to 100%. it only started after i > had the two successfully > communicating. has this happened to anybody else? > > -jim > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 14:43:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CJaI616695; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:36:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:36:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 20:34:55 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: [Paris Loopfest] Update... Problems... Postponed? From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, My life has been a mess over the past few weeks. To cut it short, I've suffered 2 hard disk crashes in as many weeks (Don't ever purchase MEMUP firewire HD's). I had backed up all of my data from the computers HD onto the first Memup disc so that I could format and re-install everything. The next day, the first HD crash happened. I still have all the emails that were sent to me (luckily they were still on the server). My last CD backup was in October. Yes I'm a total moron. Apart from losing the data consisting of half a years music recordings, artwork for the loopfest, digital photo's of the project and god knows what else, I've also lost a lot of the applications that I was using. Trying to install my machine back to a workable state is taking its time. Apart from regular work and sorting out this problem, I am also busy trying to prepare for my first live stage performance in 2 years at Musicora (29th March). I now have to record a CD from scratch, design the artwork and produce it before then. Thats my current problem. The dates of the loopfest had been planned for the end of June. I can't even begin to work on this until the middle of April (I am in the UK for 2 weeks straight after Musicora). I have no promotional material ready, I have no time to visit venues in person, and it is impossible to organise something like this in such a short time-frame. This is Paris... it is a city of beaurocracy, things have to be planned well in advance (and normally are)... Imagine an evening where you would be meeting a very large proportion of the people onlist in person, see their equipment, hear them play, jam with them, talk with them.... A weekend recorded on both video and audio (TV/Radio)... sponsorship, salary etc., Thats what I want. That is what I really think can happen. If anyone has any time, ideas or wishes to help out in any way... well I need help. I can carry on with it as from the 15th April (when I get back from the UK)... but until then.... :( I need to find a venue for Rick Walker (+anyone else) for the weekend of the 28th June as he will be in Paris on his tour... If anyone can help, then please email me. I'll find something for that night Rick...! Autumn/Winter loopfest anyone? With random loofestlets before then? Back to reinstalling.... .... Don't buy Memup firewire drives, buy Lacie..... .............. - Stuart P.S. I have'nt had time to read the list lately.... I miss you guys. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 14:43:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CJYsU16522; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:34:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:34:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003701c2e8cd$cf25dce0$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: Subject: Re: An Introduction (bugs) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:30:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thats awesome thanks! jg ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 12:01 PM Subject: Re: An Introduction (bugs) > > In a message dated 3/12/03 9:08:30 AM, armyofpie@hotmail.com writes: > > << found the sounds in an old archive of bug recordings that I came > across when looking for engine sounds. I went looking for the link again and > can't find it at all, hmm, I will post it later if I can find it. >> > > Did someone say bugs? > Here is a new archive: > http://cmave.usda.ufl.edu/~rmankin/soundlibrary.html > Reference > Library of Digitized Insect Sounds > > regards > BobC > > The Thumb Piano Project > www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject > http://trundlebox.iuma.com > http://brokenaxe.iuma.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 14:45:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CJYXq16492; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:34:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:34:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030312192936.59097.qmail@web11408.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:29:36 -0800 (PST) From: "Rich R." Subject: Re: delay time + Echo Pro ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030312145929.76010.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Louie, On the contrary, my Echo Pro has plenty of gain. Other users have noted this as well: don't bother attempting to set up a unity-gain situation with the input and output level knobs. You have to go by ear. I set my input according to the LED meters, and then go by ear on the output. The result is that my input is set between 1 and 2 o'clock, and my output is right at 1 o'clock. Regarding bar resolution, if I understand Ian correctly, this is the same thing as the note value, found in section 3.4 of the manual. It is simply delay times recalculated on the fly to reflect various meters and rhythmic patterns (whole note time delay rhythm, dotted halfs and quarters, triplets, etc.). Regards, Rich --- Louie Angulo wrote: > > Hi Rich, > I am also an Echo pro user, (although i dont use it > as > a looper) it seems a little weak on the gain, i have > its input all the way to the right is this also the > case with you? > Oh and can you please develop more on this what is > "bar resolution"? > L.a > > > > Regarding the bar resolution, yes, you can save > the > > resolution per program, and you can even morph > > between > > resolutions per program with an expression pedal > or > > CC. > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 15:06:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CJkqL18803; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:46:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:46:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030312114142.044aa008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:44:37 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: one more FCB issue... In-Reply-To: <008001c2e882$a6ba87b0$65c9f5d1@g0wn7> References: <000c01c2e8af$2173e740$542f04d1@home> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I helped somebody else with this and we discovered this problem. I think it is a bug in the FCB pedal. If you haven't programmed some things in the FCB yet and they are still at the default settings, they send out some junk that screws up the EDP like this. Even though it looks like it should not be sending anything, it is. Once you actually go and program something to that setting of the FCB, it will work right. kim At 02:32 AM 3/12/2003, jimfowler wrote: >ok, so i've got it controlling the EDP...just had to put the manual down and >go with my intuition (and a lot of power-downs and power-ups)...and now it >appears that the feedback or volume control is being decreased >involuntarily. i haven't assigned either expression pedal and the feedback >on the EDP is set to 100%. it only started after i had the two successfully >communicating. has this happened to anybody else? > >-jim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 15:27:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CK65t22209; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:06:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:06:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 21:03:21 +0100 Subject: small tube amps From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3130347801_66812_MIME_Part" Message-ID: <18tCRc-17R7h2C@fwd00.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 520012547034-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > DIESE NACHRICHT IST IN MIME-FORMAT. Da Ihr Mailreader dieses Format nicht unterstŸtzt, kšnnte diese Nachricht ganz oder teilweise unlesbar sein. --MS_Mac_OE_3130347801_66812_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit --- Andreas Willers wrote about his: > '58 Gibson GA-20 Is yours a Crest or a Ranger (GA-20T, same amp with tremolo, which is what my '59 is)? I love mine; bought it in the 70's, sold it in the early 80's, and was fortunate enough to buy it back in the early 90's. Seems like way more than 16 watts... Mine is a GA-20T with Tremolo, tweed-brown version with crome panel - just before they got their names. Incredible amp, these are just as good as Fender Twed Deluxes people say and I have reason to believe that. Wish I had it earlier and not just these last couple of years. I also have a blond GA-8 non-tremolo Gibsonette, 9W single ended amp with 6V6's - breaks up a little earlier but still sounds great in samll places: I've run M/B TriAxis's and EDP loops (content!) through it in bars and sounded killer (I am not so fond of the TriAxis preamp any more - long gone). Andreas --MS_Mac_OE_3130347801_66812_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable small tube amps

--- Andreas Willers <A.Willers@t-online.de<= /FONT>> wrote
about his:
> '58 Gibson GA-20

Is yours a Crest or a Ranger (GA-20T, same amp with
tremolo, which is what my '59 is)?

I love mine; bought it in the 70's, sold it in the
early 80's, and was fortunate enough to buy it back in
the early 90's. Seems like way more than 16 watts...



Mine is a GA-20T with Tremolo, tweed-brown version with crome panel - just = before they got their names. Incredible amp, these are just as good as Fende= r Twed Deluxes people say and I have reason to believe that. Wish I had it e= arlier and not just these last couple of years. I also have a blond GA-8 non= -tremolo Gibsonette, 9W single ended amp with 6V6's - breaks up a little ear= lier but still sounds great in samll places: I've run M/B TriAxis's and EDP = loops (content!) through it in bars and sounded killer (I am not so fond of = the TriAxis preamp any more - long gone).

Andreas --MS_Mac_OE_3130347801_66812_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 15:30:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CK2Xt21775; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:02:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:02:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.14.93.11] From: "Will Wright" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: An Introduction (bugs) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:55:41 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Mar 2003 19:55:41.0520 (UTC) FILETIME=[5C5CF500:01C2E8D1] Resent-Message-ID: <41j03B.A.51E.DD5b-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's the one! or one of them anyway I think I branched off to a few of the linked sites too. Ah internet is there nothing you can't do? My current quest is steam pistons, pity I actually have work to do today :) Will Wright >From: Aptrev@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: An Introduction (bugs) >Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:01:52 EST > > >In a message dated 3/12/03 9:08:30 AM, armyofpie@hotmail.com writes: > ><< found the sounds in an old archive of bug recordings that I came >across when looking for engine sounds. I went looking for the link again >and >can't find it at all, hmm, I will post it later if I can find it. >> > >Did someone say bugs? >Here is a new archive: >http://cmave.usda.ufl.edu/~rmankin/soundlibrary.html >Reference >Library of Digitized Insect Sounds > >regards >BobC > >The Thumb Piano Project >www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject >http://trundlebox.iuma.com >http://brokenaxe.iuma.com > _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 15:52:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CKPRM24762; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:25:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:25:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 20:09:50 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Re: delay time + Echo Pro ? In-Reply-To: <20030312145929.76010.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030311174859.93168.qmail@web11402.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: <0ccb30021200c33PCOW057M@blueyonder.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Louie, It was my question about bar resolution. I'm not sure if this is the "right" term, but what I mean is that, whatever tempo a MIDI clock is running at, you may want your delays to come back at 1/4 notes, every two bars, 1/8th notes etc. I have a t.c. rack and a couple of synth modules that, as well as offering delay times in miliseconds, you can also choose from 1/32 to 1/1 including triplets and save this within the programme. This is what I asked about the Delay Pro, when used with MIDI clokck, whether you can access such timings and save them - instead of tapping in the tempo. Ian. At 14:59 12/03/03 , you wrote: > >Hi Rich, >I am also an Echo pro user, (although i dont use it as >a looper) it seems a little weak on the gain, i have >its input all the way to the right is this also the >case with you? >Oh and can you please develop more on this what is >"bar resolution"? >L.a >> >> Regarding the bar resolution, yes, you can save the >> resolution per program, and you can even morph >> between >> resolutions per program with an expression pedal or >> CC. >> >> > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online >http://webhosting.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 16:13:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CKml327123; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:48:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:48:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: TopDeadCenter - who's tune is this??? Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 21:45:33 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <00ab01c2e8d8$53e87b40$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <000001c2e8cd$518f9820$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Gerorge, No, I'm not playing there, if that is what you mean (I'm in Sweden, geographically). But I really dig that music and will keep the files on my drive for lots of listening ;-) I was just reposting the link originally posted by Dave Trenkel. pboy > > short or not i think it is brilliant work. are u on it per? > > sweet! > jg > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Per Boysen > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 1:51 AM > Subject: SV: TopDeadCenter - who's tune is this??? > > > > > did someone from this list send out this short mp3 called > > > topdeadcenter? > > > > > > jimmy george > > > > > > Not "a short mp3" I would say, but this was posted last week: > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > Per Boysen > > ________________ > > www.boysen.se > > www.looproom.com --> 1st Swedish Looping Festival > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 16:32:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CLORI00437; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:24:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:24:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030312211835.63652.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:18:35 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: delay time + Echo Pro ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030312192936.59097.qmail@web11408.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alles klar Rich Thank you! It is an awesome unit for the money cheers L.a --- "Rich R." wrote: > Louie, > > On the contrary, my Echo Pro has plenty of gain. > Other users have noted this as well: don't bother > attempting to set up a unity-gain situation with the > input and output level knobs. You have to go by > ear. > I set my input according to the LED meters, and then > go by ear on the output. The result is that my > input > is set between 1 and 2 o'clock, and my output is > right > at 1 o'clock. > > Regarding bar resolution, if I understand Ian > correctly, this is the same thing as the note value, > found in section 3.4 of the manual. It is simply > delay times recalculated on the fly to reflect > various > meters and rhythmic patterns (whole note time delay > rhythm, dotted halfs and quarters, triplets, etc.). > > Regards, > Rich > > > > > > --- Louie Angulo wrote: > > > > Hi Rich, > > I am also an Echo pro user, (although i dont use > it > > as > > a looper) it seems a little weak on the gain, i > have > > its input all the way to the right is this also > the > > case with you? > > Oh and can you please develop more on this what is > > "bar resolution"? > > L.a > > > > > > Regarding the bar resolution, yes, you can save > > the > > > resolution per program, and you can even morph > > > between > > > resolutions per program with an expression pedal > > or > > > CC. > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online > http://webhosting.yahoo.com > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 16:32:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CLCAx31434; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:12:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:12:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: SV: Ableton LIVE's ability to loop in real time Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:02:13 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <00ac01c2e8da$a815c9f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <46.367fb1e8.2ba0dc8f@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <0zR6dB.A.kXH.ZB6b-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I would have thought any live looping program would > want to eliminate latency as much as possible though, > it would be really nice if the program could > "play" a test pulse which could be routed out > of the soundcard , and then back in again and recorded. > The value obtained could then be used to make everything line up. > > andy butler I doubt that would be needed. We're talking software here and the computer must "know" the latency value, so it can be compensated for in any aspect BUT "live recording". I've been working a lot with Logic and SX and these programs does compensate automatically and it must be possible to do that even in looping software. But a computer can never "know" what you (the "analog" musician) is going to play into the recording input in the next second. It only "knows" what was recorded the second before. But, as I pointed out before, this is all right even for live looping since the machine needs only a couple of milliseconds to calculate latency compensation and line up the recording with the spinning loop. I don't know much about software developing but I guess it's called a "look-a-head function". Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com --> 1st Swedish Looping Festival From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 16:37:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CLMhP32704; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:22:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:22:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: SV: Ableton LIVE's ability to loop in real time Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:15:10 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <00ad01c2e8dc$77106ed0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030312102218.04aa7008@loopers-delight.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h2CLFDM31840 Resent-Message-ID: <0nZSgC.A.wxH.iN6b-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] > > there is also control latency in this case. Sure, you're perfectly right about that. But I could stand waiting 7 milliseconds longer if I could bring just a laptop instead of this monster: http://www.boysen.se/pboy_looping_rig.jpg ;-D > Also "any recorded sound won't have to be played back until > the next loop > round" is only true in the most simplistic approach to looping. For > example, what if you tap reverse while you are overdubbing? Ooops.... Good point there! THAT maneuver will always be affected with some "early delay" in software loopers. I love to do this with the EDP and plucked string instruments! > just recorded needs to be played back immediately or you will > get a pop, Not necessarily. A smoothing fade during that "reverse delay" period can be written into the software. I would have no problems with that. When it comes to reverb it's ok with some "predelay". Apparently software loopers will never be the same thing as hardware loopers. I guess both will have their pros and cons. Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com --> 1st Swedish Looping Festival From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 16:45:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CLX0l01672; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:33:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:33:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00ab01c2e8d8$53e87b40$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> References: <00ab01c2e8d8$53e87b40$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:30:17 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: SV: TopDeadCenter - who's tune is this??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: -4.7 () IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.29 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hi Gerorge, > >No, I'm not playing there, if that is what you mean (I'm in Sweden, >geographically). Per, if you ever make it to Oregon, you've got a gig :-) > But I really dig that music and will keep the files on >my drive for lots of listening ;-) Wow, thanks so much! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 16:48:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CLOdZ00573; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:24:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:24:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030312212224.69881.qmail@web40503.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:22:24 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: RE: Your Request for Behringer FCB 1010 new O.S. upgrades To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000c01c2e8af$2173e740$542f04d1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes i use to play bass notes with my PMC 10 thats when i miss it! --- future perfect wrote: > Ahh, thanks for the offer. I can actually control > the EDP with the > FCB1010. Problem is, the 'note on' midi channel is > set globally rather > than *per preset*. So I either can control my EDP, > or globally set the > midi channel to the synth to play bass notes with my > feet. > For right now, I am using the FCB with the EDP > footpedal right in back > of it, and this seems to be the best solution right > now. At least until > Behringer comes up with an update. And no, I sold my > Ground Control on > Ebay- it was much too limited and there was no way > to store the > sysex...after a few power failures (the storms in > Florida are hellish) > scrambled the memory, I had to spend hours > re-programming. > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > > > Hi Dave, > > I can actually control most or all of the > functions on > > the EDP with my FCB 1010.Which ones can you not > maybe > > we can help? Are you still using your GC? > > Cheers > > L.a > > > > --- future perfect > wrote: > > > These things are on the 'Upgrade Wish List' on > the > > > FCB Yahoo Groups > > > site. Every week or so, I forward this list to > > > Behringer. > > > It is frustrating to me that I can't control my > EDP > > > and send note on > > > commands to my synth. > > > > > > Dave Eichenberger > > > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good idea. I'd also like to see the ability to > > > make the CC > > > > and Note-on/off capability programme-specific > > > rather than > > > > globally decided. So that I don't have to > decide > > > on one piece > > > > of gear to receive these messages. > > > > > > > > I'll sign > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > Ian. > > > > > > > > > > > > At 15:03 11/03/03 , you wrote: > > > > >To all FCB 1010 users, > > > > >One of the features missing in the FCB 1010 > is > > > the > > > > >toggle and momentary switch mode, which would > > > allow us > > > > >to know the state of the pedal. For example > if i > > > want > > > > >to mute individual tracks on the repeater or > turn > > > FXs > > > > >on and off on my guitar preamp i have no way > of > > > > >knowing which one is on or off.It is very > > > frustating > > > > >muting a track from the repeater and after > > > switching > > > > >banks and doing tap dancing not knowing which > > > track is > > > > >muted and which one isn´t. > > > > >So since many of you use the FCB 1010 i want > to > > > gather > > > > >your signatures so that i can write Behringer > and > > > > >maybe they will work on a new o.s.I requested > > > this a > > > > >while ago and they said they would work on > new > > > > >upgrades only depending on the demand.You > could > > > of > > > > >course write them personally as well. > > > > >Please write other features you would like to > > > have and > > > > >i will foward it to them. > > > > >Just an idea > > > > >L.a > > > > > > > > > >===== > > > > >www.labalou.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > > > >Do you Yahoo!? > > > > >Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business > > > online > > > > > > > > > > >http://webhosting.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > www.labalou.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business > online > > http://webhosting.yahoo.com > > > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 17:01:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CLvOH04527; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:57:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:57:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030312215615.75418.qmail@web80209.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:56:15 -0800 (PST) From: Kirkland Mack Subject: Re: small tube amps To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <18tCRc-17R7h2C@fwd00.sul.t-online.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-55121648-1047506175=:74985" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-55121648-1047506175=:74985 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hell y'all, just thought I'd let you know I found what I was looking for, in case you were interested. The Mesa 20/20, a 20 watts per side stereo power amp that's supposed to allow you to "use the built-in stereo Slave Outs to capture the sound of a great small amp's musical clip." Hehe, I'll be the judge of that! Anyway it is of great interest to me, so I thought I'd pass it along. - Kirkland --0-55121648-1047506175=:74985 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Hell y'all, just thought I'd let you know I found what I was looking for, in case you were interested. The Mesa 20/20, a 20 watts per side stereo power amp that's supposed to allow you to "use the built-in stereo Slave Outs to capture the sound of a great small amp's musical clip." Hehe, I'll be the judge of that! Anyway it is of great interest to me, so I thought I'd pass it along. - Kirkland

--0-55121648-1047506175=:74985-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 17:18:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CM7F806802; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:07:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:07:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030312220453.88791.qmail@web80206.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:04:53 -0800 (PST) From: Kirkland Mack Subject: FS DG100 212 was: second amp suggestions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <007d01c2e8cb$eea52280$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-943370528-1047506693=:88031" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-943370528-1047506693=:88031 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If someone's looking for one, I have one even cheaper! A near mint DG100 212 for $500. I hated all the Line6 amps, and was never impressed with the Johnsons but liked the Yamaha enough to buy it at the time. Since then I've turned into something of a vintage/tube snob so it has to go. It sounds good, but when you want the sound of a 10 watt tube amp on 8, a 100 watt digital modeling amp won't do. Jimmy George Band wrote:> > The Yamaha DG80 does this as well. The DG amps are some of the nicer > sounding modeling amps. I think AMS has them relatively cheap right now. > > Mark > > --0-943370528-1047506693=:88031 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

If someone's looking for one, I have one even cheaper! A near mint DG100 212 for $500. I hated all the Line6 amps, and was never impressed with the Johnsons but liked the Yamaha enough to buy it at the time. Since then I've turned into something of a vintage/tube snob so it has to go. It sounds good, but when you want the sound of a 10 watt tube amp on 8, a 100 watt digital modeling amp won't do.

 Jimmy George Band <jg@jimmygeorgeband.com> wrote:

>
> The Yamaha DG80 does this as well. The DG amps are some of the nicer
> sounding modeling amps. I think AMS has them relatively cheap right now.
>
> Mark
>
>
--0-943370528-1047506693=:88031-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 21:00:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2D1q0H30412; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 20:52:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 20:52:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E6FE416.60101@quik.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:51:18 -0800 From: dgoat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3a) Gecko/20021212 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tubes! They do a ____ good! References: <20030312071555.86721.qmail@web80215.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030312071555.86721.qmail@web80215.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kirkland Mack wrote: > There are > lots of standalone preamps and standalone power amps, and there lots of > guys who like power amp saturation, so why aren't there any standalone > power amps designed to give "vintage" sound and pleasing overdrive? I think part of the problem is that the "power amp" saturation sound is composed of more than just overdriving power tubes, but the entire system of the amp: preamp tubes, power amp tubes, rectifier tube, power supplies, speakers, etc. It's a complex system that can't easily be taken apart and repackaged as separate bits. You might think about using a VERY low power (8 - 15 watts) class A combo that has the overdrive sound you are looking for. Then, build an iso-box for it with a mic, run the mic into a mixer, and the mixer out through the rest of you pedals, and finally into a mackie powered PA speaker. A lot of work, but if you want NO compromises on your overdrive tone, then this is the best I can think of. Oh, and don't forget to use George L's cables for the most transparent tone, and true bypass on ALL of your effects! Good luck! D.G. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 21:10:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2D28TQ00780; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 21:08:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 21:08:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030313020717.44700.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 18:07:17 -0800 (PST) From: Spacemodular Subject: Re: Texture To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000601c2e726$4196f1a0$6501a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Neil and All, I haven't seen any sign of this going yet, could I claim it if you still have it? We can work out the details off list... Thanks I have a Toshiba Pen computer of about 1994 vintage that I run with QY-70 that I think I could run it on... Interesting thread about Roger Powell. My Introduction to his music was on that David Bowie live album which came out shortly after "Lodger". Nick Chicago --- Neil Goldstein wrote: > Cleaning out my closets, I ran across the old > software Texture 4.24 for > MS-Dos (Roger Powell's creation), on 5.25" floppies, > and manual. This > was a great pattern based midi sequencer in its time > (around 1985). > > Anyone want this (for free)? > > Email privately. > > Neil > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 23:04:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2D41If14113; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 23:01:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 23:01:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030313040002.21931.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 20:00:02 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: An Introduction (bugs) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Will Wright wrote: > My current quest is steam pistons, pity I actually > have work to do today :) There are a few amongst these: (not downloadable, but a nice index...) (This one sounds like crap, but is supposed to be trance-inducing, so I'll give it a try! Headphones on!) OK, enough of that 'trance-inducing' one... zzzzzzz... __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 23:34:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2D4S4A20650; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 23:28:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 23:28:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:30:06 -0600 Subject: Re: Tubes! They do a ____ good! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3E6FE416.60101@quik.com> Message-Id: <77BDFC40-550C-11D7-8448-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, at 07:51 PM, dgoat wrote: > You might think about using a VERY low power (8 - 15 watts) class A > combo that has the overdrive sound you are looking for. Then, build an > iso-box for it with a mic, run the mic into a mixer, and the mixer out > through the rest of you pedals, and finally into a mackie powered PA > speaker. > A lot of work, but if you want NO compromises on your overdrive tone, > then this is the best I can think of. Oh, and don't forget to use > George L's thank god i love synthesisers. as i am an Hammond organist i often wonder how ridiculous my rig would be if i insisted on using _just_ the Hammond as the source for all my loop-music. i'm sure that it would involve a leslie and an iso-box and all sorts of other space-involving considerations. but now that i think about it, i did have plenty of fun with an L-100 and a Pod last year. keep us posted on your overdrive solution. i'd love to hear about where it goes. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 12 23:51:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2D4jdE24649; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 23:45:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 23:45:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 23:43:01 -0500 To: Ambient List From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: [Gig Spam] Video Performance @ Zeitgeist 3.15.03, Cambridge, MA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h2D4ipM24516 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I'll be doing video improvisations at the Zeitgeist Gallery in Cambridge, or, as Rob writes At 12:25 AM +0000 3/13/03, rob chalfen wrote: >free to sling photons at whim as part of the following event: -LARS VEGAS -PEAR PLUS LARS VEGAS Jeff Platz - guitar Ethan Meyer - Drum set Tom Steinquest - Vocal Stylings Scott Getchell - trumpets Kit Buckley - saxophones Gary "Vibes" Wallen - vibes, marimba, xylophone Ernie Adzentoivich - acoustic bass PEAR PLUS "music of the spheres" Dave Geller – percussion (SuperGoo) Barton Ramos – extended guitars Cheryl Etu – vibes (Chupacabra) Special guest: Will Ragano – samplers, etc (Count Zero) LARS VEGAS A VEGAS JAZZ EVENING AT THE ZEITGEIST Cambridge, MA -- Lars Vegas will play the Zeitgeist Gallery on Saturday evening, March 15. Charged with the energy of their third successful European tour, Lars Vegas will grace this intimate, hometown affair with their "study in retro-hip, mixing Gen-X neuroses and rat-pack suavite into a smooth and sinister cocktail." New York Magazine In their thirteen years of making innovative and engaging music, Lars Vegas has earned their status as an unmistakable local gem. The two original members, vocalist Tom Stenquist and guitarist Jeff Platz, brought the band to Boston from Portland, Maine in 1990. The collaboration has become complete with stellar drummer, Ethan Meyer, making up the core trio for the last three years. A talented group of horn and sax players fill out their distinctive sound and style. The band will be performing songs form their recently released album MEATLAND. Their third album to date is heralded as "an adventurous tour through swing, beat, spoken word, blues and off-jazz..." Intro Magazine MEATLAND is a dramatic and fantastic journey through Lars Vegas’ vision of America. "In their incomparable way they chain you from the first to the last minute..." Westzeit This evening at the Zeitgeist Gallery will be a rare opportunity to see the Vegas boys home once again to share their "cool blend of jazz, bossa nova, funk, beatnik swing, and Jack Kerouac-style phrasing." Chicago Sun-Times @ THE ZEITGEIST GALLERY 1353 Cambridge St. Inman Sq. Cambridge 69 Bus from Harvard Gate all shows 8 pm all shows $10 or b/o all ages NEW PHONE: 617.876.6060 http://www.zeitgeist-gallery.org/ -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 00:55:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2D5qlM32230; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 00:52:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 00:52:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030313055220.57146.qmail@web80209.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 21:52:20 -0800 (PST) From: Kirkland Mack Subject: Small tube amps with FX was: Tubes! They do a ____ good! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3E6FE416.60101@quik.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1057923341-1047534740=:54788" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1057923341-1047534740=:54788 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yes of course, a standalone power amp would have to be cranked for good overdrive. This is exactly why I think there should be standalone power amps optimized for good overdrive - with a power supply, transformers, rectifier, phase inverter etc. that will impart the best tonal quality. An isolation box, that's it, that's it! (who's heard the song Dinah Moe Hum?) Why didn't I think of that? Well lucky for me, I have you to think for me! ;^) Good cables and true bypass, yes of course. Don't most mixer FX sends run at line level? Is there a way to use other mixer channels as "FX slaves" so I can have a bunch of rack gear and have each piece in it's own "FX send" so to speak? Or is it time for me to design a 2-4 channel line/intrument selectable level mixer with a number of midi switchable FX sends? Ugh. So where can I get plans for an ISO box online? - Kirkland dgoat wrote:Kirkland Mack wrote: > There are > lots of standalone preamps and standalone power amps, and there lots of > guys who like power amp saturation, so why aren't there any standalone > power amps designed to give "vintage" sound and pleasing overdrive? I think part of the problem is that the "power amp" saturation sound is composed of more than just overdriving power tubes, but the entire system of the amp: preamp tubes, power amp tubes, rectifier tube, power supplies, speakers, etc. It's a complex system that can't easily be taken apart and repackaged as separate bits. You might think about using a VERY low power (8 - 15 watts) class A combo that has the overdrive sound you are looking for. Then, build an iso-box for it with a mic, run the mic into a mixer, and the mixer out through the rest of you pedals, and finally into a mackie powered PA speaker. A lot of work, but if you want NO compromises on your overdrive tone, then this is the best I can think of. Oh, and don't forget to use George L's cables for the most transparent tone, and true bypass on ALL of your effects! Good luck! D.G. --0-1057923341-1047534740=:54788 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Yes of course, a standalone power amp would have to be cranked for good overdrive. This is exactly why I think there should be standalone power amps optimized for good overdrive - with a power supply, transformers, rectifier, phase inverter etc. that will impart the best tonal quality.

An isolation box, that's it, that's it! (who's heard the song Dinah Moe Hum?) Why didn't I think of that? Well lucky for me, I have you to think for me! ;^) Good cables and true bypass, yes of course. Don't most mixer FX sends run at line level? Is there a way to use other mixer channels as "FX slaves" so I can have a bunch of rack gear and have each piece in it's own "FX send" so to speak? Or is it time for me to design a 2-4 channel line/intrument selectable level mixer with a number of midi switchable FX sends? Ugh. So where can I get plans for an ISO box online? - Kirkland

 dgoat <dgoat@quik.com> wrote:

Kirkland Mack wrote:
> There are
> lots of standalone preamps and standalone power amps, and there lots of
> guys who like power amp saturation, so why aren't there any standalone
> power amps designed to give "vintage" sound and pleasing overdrive?

I think part of the problem is that the "power amp" saturation sound is
composed of more than just overdriving power tubes, but the entire
system of the amp: preamp tubes, power amp tubes, rectifier tube, power
supplies, speakers, etc. It's a complex system that can't easily be
taken apart and repackaged as separate bits.

You might think about using a VERY low power (8 - 15 watts) class A
combo that has the overdrive sound you are looking for. Then, build an
iso-box for it with a mic, run the mic into a mixer, and the mixer out
through the rest of you pedals, and finally into a mackie powered PA
speaker.

A lot of work, but if you want NO compromises on your overdrive tone,
then this is the best I can think of. Oh, and don't forget to use George
L's cables for the most transparent tone, and true bypass on ALL of your
effects!

Good luck!

D.G.

--0-1057923341-1047534740=:54788-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 01:16:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2D6A5S02688; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 01:10:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 01:10:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030313060926.99780.qmail@web80215.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:09:26 -0800 (PST) From: Kirkland Mack Subject: Re: Tubes! They do a ____ good! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <77BDFC40-550C-11D7-8448-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1420416384-1047535766=:97765" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1420416384-1047535766=:97765 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sure, I'll keep you posted. As far as where it's going, it's bound to be the land of custom projects, vans and roadies. Well I hope not, but I'm awfully skeptical when it comes to getting real guitar tone with modern technology. Maybe what I need is to get broken in by touring. Just watch, I'll end up playing a Peavey Bandit II with a VG8. Whatever happens, I need an operating system and if it doesn't sound so good it hurts, it's throwaway. - Kirkland Eric Williamson wrote:thank god i love synthesisers. as i am an Hammond organist i often wonder how ridiculous my rig would be if i insisted on using _just_ the Hammond as the source for all my loop-music. i'm sure that it would involve a leslie and an iso-box and all sorts of other space-involving considerations. but now that i think about it, i did have plenty of fun with an L-100 and a Pod last year. keep us posted on your overdrive solution. i'd love to hear about where it goes. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com --0-1420416384-1047535766=:97765 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Sure, I'll keep you posted. As far as where it's going, it's bound to be the land of custom projects, vans and roadies. Well I hope not, but I'm awfully skeptical when it comes to getting real guitar tone with modern technology. Maybe what I need is to get broken in by touring. Just watch, I'll end up playing a Peavey Bandit II with a VG8. Whatever happens, I need an operating system and if it doesn't sound so good it hurts, it's throwaway. - Kirkland

 Eric Williamson <erwill@suitandtieguy.com> wrote:

thank god i love synthesisers. as i am an Hammond organist i often
wonder how ridiculous my rig would be if i insisted on using _just_ the
Hammond as the source for all my loop-music. i'm sure that it would
involve a leslie and an iso-box and all sorts of other space-involving
considerations.

but now that i think about it, i did have plenty of fun with an L-100
and a Pod last year.

keep us posted on your overdrive solution. i'd love to hear about where
it goes.

---
Eric Williamson
www.suitandtieguy.com
--0-1420416384-1047535766=:97765-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 02:13:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2D7B0V08423; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 02:11:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 02:11:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <024301c2e8fd$41c896f0$65c9f5d1@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <000c01c2e8af$2173e740$542f04d1@home> <5.1.1.6.2.20030312114142.044aa008@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: one more FCB issue... Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 01:09:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com rich and kim- thanks for the suggestions...i'll get to the bottom of it soon enough. it's too bad you can't totally reinitialize all the presets... -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 03:57:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2D8nps14717; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 03:49:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 03:49:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030313084945.23957.qmail@web40501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 00:49:45 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: SV: SV: Ableton LIVE's ability to loop in real time To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00ad01c2e8dc$77106ed0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Per, Can you describe your rack config. again? some of it i can´t see but it resembles mine thanx L.a --- Per Boysen wrote: > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > > Från: Kim Flint > [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] > > > > > there is also control latency in this case. > > Sure, you're perfectly right about that. But I could > stand waiting 7 > milliseconds longer if I could bring just a laptop > instead of this > monster: http://www.boysen.se/pboy_looping_rig.jpg > ;-D > > > > Also "any recorded sound won't have to be played > back until > > the next loop > > round" is only true in the most simplistic > approach to looping. For > > example, what if you tap reverse while you are > overdubbing? > > Ooops.... Good point there! THAT maneuver will > always be affected with > some "early delay" in software loopers. I love to do > this with the EDP > and plucked string instruments! > > > just recorded needs to be played back immediately > or you will > > get a pop, > > Not necessarily. A smoothing fade during that > "reverse delay" period can > be written into the software. I would have no > problems with that. When > it comes to reverb it's ok with some "predelay". > Apparently software > loopers will never be the same thing as hardware > loopers. I guess both > will have their pros and cons. > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > ________________ > www.boysen.se > www.looproom.com --> 1st Swedish Looping Festival > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 04:26:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2D9GlW17399; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 04:16:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 04:16:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005b01c2e941$436b5990$2ccfc22b@AOstler> From: "Os" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: loop gig in June (Cambridge UK) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 09:16:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Advance notice: Saturday 21st June 2003: The First Cambridge Festival of Looping at the Michaelhouse Cafe, Cambridge UK Make a date! cheers, os. os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 04:34:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2D9SnL17981; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 04:28:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 04:28:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01fd01c2e944$f50e53c0$b90efea9@link2> Reply-To: "link" From: "link" To: References: Subject: Re: [Paris Loopfest] Update... Problems... Postponed? Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:42:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01F8_01C2E94D.4C3FD300" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01F8_01C2E94D.4C3FD300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi , Well , maybe we could help for organisation with Mandala... Just tell us what we can do precisely. As I told u , we are in Paris, so = it could help ? Cheers Link ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project)=20 To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:34 PM Subject: [Paris Loopfest] Update... Problems... Postponed? Hi all, My life has been a mess over the past few weeks. To cut it short, I've = =20 suffered 2 hard disk crashes in as many weeks (Don't ever purchase=20 MEMUP firewire HD's). I had backed up all of my data from the=20 computers HD onto the first Memup disc so that I could format and=20 re-install everything. The next day, the first HD crash happened. I still have all the emails that were sent to me (luckily they were=20 still on the server). My last CD backup was in October. Yes I'm a = total=20 moron. Apart from losing the data consisting of half a years music = recordings,=20 artwork for the loopfest, digital photo's of the project and god knows = what else, I've also lost a lot of the applications that I was using. = Trying to install my machine back to a workable state is taking its=20 time. Apart from regular work and sorting out this problem, I am also busy=20 trying to prepare for my first live stage performance in 2 years at=20 Musicora (29th March). I now have to record a CD from scratch, design=20 the artwork and produce it before then. Thats my current problem. The dates of the loopfest had been planned for the end of June. I = can't=20 even begin to work on this until the middle of April (I am in the UK=20 for 2 weeks straight after Musicora). I have no promotional material=20 ready, I have no time to visit venues in person, and it is impossible=20 to organise something like this in such a short time-frame. This is=20 Paris... it is a city of beaurocracy, things have to be planned well = in=20 advance (and normally are)... Imagine an evening where you would be meeting a very large proportion=20 of the people onlist in person, see their equipment, hear them play,=20 jam with them, talk with them.... A weekend recorded on both video and = audio (TV/Radio)... sponsorship, salary etc., Thats what I want. That=20 is what I really think can happen. If anyone has any time, ideas or wishes to help out in any way... well = I need help. I can carry on with it as from the 15th April (when I get = back from the UK)... but until then.... :( I need to find a venue for Rick Walker (+anyone else) for the weekend=20 of the 28th June as he will be in Paris on his tour... If anyone can=20 help, then please email me. I'll find something for that night = Rick...! Autumn/Winter loopfest anyone? With random loofestlets before then? Back to reinstalling.... .... Don't buy Memup firewire drives, buy Lacie..... .............. - Stuart P.S. I have'nt had time to read the list lately.... I miss you guys. ------=_NextPart_000_01F8_01C2E94D.4C3FD300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi ,
 
Well , maybe we could help for = organisation with=20 Mandala...
Just tell us what we can do precisely. As I told = u , we=20 are in Paris, so it could help ?
 
Cheers
 
Link
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stuart Wyatt (Solo = String=20 Project)
To: loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 = 8:34=20 PM
Subject: [Paris Loopfest] = Update...=20 Problems... Postponed?

Hi all,

My life has been a mess over the past = few weeks.=20 To cut it short, I've 
suffered 2 hard disk crashes in as = many weeks=20 (Don't ever purchase
MEMUP firewire HD's).  I had backed up = all of my=20 data from the
computers HD onto the first Memup disc so that I = could=20 format and
re-install everything. The next day, the first HD crash = happened.

I still have all the emails that were sent to me = (luckily=20 they were
still on the server). My last CD backup was in October. = Yes I'm=20 a total
moron.

Apart from losing the data consisting of = half a=20 years music recordings,
artwork for the loopfest, digital photo's = of the=20 project and god knows
what else, I've also lost a lot of the = applications=20 that I was using. 
Trying to install my machine back to a = workable=20 state is taking its
time.

Apart from regular work and = sorting out=20 this problem, I am also busy
trying to prepare for my first live = stage=20 performance in 2 years at
Musicora (29th March). I now have to = record a CD=20 from scratch, design
the artwork and produce it before then. Thats = my=20 current problem.

The dates of the loopfest had been planned for = the end=20 of June. I can't
even begin to work on this until the middle of = April (I=20 am in the UK
for 2 weeks straight after Musicora). I have no = promotional=20 material
ready, I have no time to visit venues in person, and it = is=20 impossible
to organise something like this in such a short = time-frame.=20 This is
Paris... it is a city of beaurocracy, things have to be = planned=20 well in
advance (and normally are)...

Imagine an evening = where you=20 would be meeting a very large proportion
of the people onlist in = person,=20 see their equipment, hear them play,
jam with them, talk with = them.... A=20 weekend recorded on both video and
audio (TV/Radio)... = sponsorship, salary=20 etc., Thats what I want. That
is what I really think can = happen.

If=20 anyone has any time, ideas or wishes to help out in any way... well =
I need=20 help. I can carry on with it as from the 15th April (when I get =
back from=20 the UK)... but until then.... :(

I need to find a venue for = Rick Walker=20 (+anyone else) for the weekend
of the 28th June as he will be in = Paris on=20 his tour... If anyone can
help, then please email me. I'll find = something=20 for that night Rick...!

Autumn/Winter loopfest anyone? With = random=20 loofestlets before then?

Back to reinstalling....

.... = Don't buy=20 Memup firewire drives, buy=20 Lacie.....

........<thud>......

- = Stuart

P.S. I=20 have'nt had time to read the list lately.... I miss you=20 guys.
------=_NextPart_000_01F8_01C2E94D.4C3FD300-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 05:01:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2D9tMS19899; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 04:55:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 04:55:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [202.88.167.50] From: "Suhail Merchant" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V03 #192 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:25:15 +0530 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2003 09:55:16.0063 (UTC) FILETIME=[A5EE36F0:01C2E946] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I use the same basic rig for real-time looping as I do for other playing: a modified Les Paul (often with an EBow now) or keyboard through a Digitech GNX1 into a small 20w combo. I've recorded several hours of looped music (in the Frippertronics vein) using the 2000ms digital delay on the Digitech, but I'm feeling somewhat limited by the delay time. Ideally, I'd like at least 10 seconds, but it's unlikely I'll be able to find a suitable delay unit for some time. I use Fruityloops for sequencing work and have found it quite useful for soundscapes. Gear purchase suggestions aside, what would you do if limited to using 2 seconds of delay (analog, digital, and ping-pong)? So far I build loops and play over them, and that's about it. Often the loop is purely textural. I have been thinking of using the LFOs in Digitech units to extend delay time, or to expand the possibilities available to me. I can use a friend's RP300 along with my GNX1 to create two 2000ms which fade in and out alternately...I think. More on that later. Anyway, all suggestions are welcome, especially any offering tips on performance with such a short delay. Thanks. Suhail suhailmerchant@hotmail.com ----Original Message Follows---- From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight-d@loopers-delight.com Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V03 #192 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 04:34:18 -0500 _________________________________________________________________ Cricket World Cup 2003 http://server1.msn.co.in/msnspecials/worldcup03/ News, Views and Match Reports. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 05:30:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2DAIMC23338; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 05:18:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 05:18:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: SV: SV: Ableton LIVE's ability to loop in real time Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:18:16 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001201c2e949$dd0f7f60$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20030313084945.23957.qmail@web40501.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h2DAILM23312 Resent-Message-ID: <4fcatD.A.jsF.trFc-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Från: Louie Angulo [mailto:laab2000us@yahoo.com] > Hi Per, > Can you describe your rack config. again? some of it i > can´t see but it resembles mine > thanx > L.a "Again"? Don't remember I did that before.... Anyway, here we go... ---> Gator Rack, ---> Mixer Eurorack MX1604A (mounted on top of the Gator Rack) ---> Mic preamp Sonorus VXP1 (compressing acoustic input, filtering/deessing and also a soft gate for not getting a lot of noise from when I do not play into my loops. Used mostly for tenor saxophone by either a cheap "bug mic" or house PA mic), ---> Guitar preamp Digitech GFX1 TwinTube (using only one "preset" that sounds ok with my Stratocaster. That's a clean guitar sound. I have almost stopped using distortion since I bought a cello bow last year. By bowing the strat I can get a tenor sax similar sound from the lowest string) ---> EDP (EDP is midi clock master. Always dividing memory into four loops. Using all 15 programs with different settings for 8th/cycle, quantize, overdub and insert mode) ---> Repeater (slaving to EDP midi clock. Two track outputs going into separate mixer channels. Two other outputs - always panned left/right - going into one stereo mixer channel. ---> Lexicon LXP-5, digital reverb (only using one preset that I think is the best) ---> Really Nice Compressor (used in RNC mode on the master output from the mixer) I have stopped using the EDP foot control and control both loopers with a Behringer FCB1010. You can't get all, since setting the system up is a balance between having access to many cool tricks and being able to improvise freely. Can't be too complicated ;-) And I also use some of the stuff with living room studio recordings. Oh, I almost forgot some non rack stuff. There's a MC-303 I sometimes slave to midi clock for drum loops. And there's a CD walkman I can use with vocal speaches. Normally I like to stay away from using drums and vocals but it's cool to keep it handy anyway. The EDP 8th/cycle settings I use is for "straight" 4/4, "jazzy" 6/8 or "arty" 5/4. I would like to be able use more time signatures (especially 7/8) but these three are what fitted into only 15 memory banks, regarding program copies with alternate overdub and quantize settings. Again: you cant have everything ;-) Best regards Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 07:19:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2DCD2632664; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 07:13:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 07:13:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030313121256.96286.qmail@web40514.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 04:12:56 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: SV: SV: SV: Ableton LIVE's ability to loop in real time To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001201c2e949$dd0f7f60$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you Per! I am shooting for a Mixer so i will very likely be getting a Mackie 1202VLZ or something like the Eurorack you have. I saw a band called "Calexico" recently and although they dont do any loops i was blown away.They come from arizona(Calexico lies in the border with Mexicali Mexico which is where i come from).Really cool stuff, desert music, film oriented, very misterious with mariachi trompets,pedal steel drones and dreamy xylophones textures, plus nylon spanish guitars of course and a mouth organ. The singer had a special microphone on the side which sounded like the old 50´s records a bit distorted cheap but very cool.Do you know if there are some microphones geared for this type of sound? Cheers L.a --- Per Boysen wrote: > > Från: Louie Angulo [mailto:laab2000us@yahoo.com] > > > Hi Per, > > Can you describe your rack config. again? some of > it i > > can´t see but it resembles mine > > thanx > > L.a > > > "Again"? Don't remember I did that before.... > Anyway, here we go... > > ---> Gator Rack, > ---> Mixer Eurorack MX1604A > (mounted on top of the Gator Rack) > ---> Mic preamp Sonorus VXP1 > (compressing acoustic input, filtering/deessing and > also a soft gate for > not getting a lot of noise from when I do not play > into my loops. Used > mostly for tenor saxophone by either a cheap "bug > mic" or house PA mic), > > ---> Guitar preamp Digitech GFX1 TwinTube > (using only one "preset" that sounds ok with my > Stratocaster. That's a > clean guitar sound. I have almost stopped using > distortion since I > bought a cello bow last year. By bowing the strat I > can get a tenor sax > similar sound from the lowest string) > ---> EDP > (EDP is midi clock master. Always dividing memory > into four loops. Using > all 15 programs with different settings for > 8th/cycle, quantize, overdub > and insert mode) > ---> Repeater > (slaving to EDP midi clock. Two track outputs going > into separate mixer > channels. Two other outputs - always panned > left/right - going into one > stereo mixer channel. > ---> Lexicon LXP-5, digital reverb > (only using one preset that I think is the best) > ---> Really Nice Compressor > (used in RNC mode on the master output from the > mixer) > > I have stopped using the EDP foot control and > control both loopers with > a Behringer FCB1010. You can't get all, since > setting the system up is a > balance between having access to many cool tricks > and being able to > improvise freely. Can't be too complicated ;-) And > I also use some of > the stuff with living room studio recordings. > > Oh, I almost forgot some non rack stuff. There's a > MC-303 I sometimes > slave to midi clock for drum loops. And there's a CD > walkman I can use > with vocal speaches. Normally I like to stay away > from using drums and > vocals but it's cool to keep it handy anyway. > > The EDP 8th/cycle settings I use is for "straight" > 4/4, "jazzy" 6/8 or > "arty" 5/4. I would like to be able use more time > signatures (especially > 7/8) but these three are what fitted into only 15 > memory banks, > regarding program copies with alternate overdub and > quantize settings. > Again: you cant have everything ;-) > > Best regards > > Per Boysen > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 07:52:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2DChN102505; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 07:43:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 07:43:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <51.2cc3d52f.2ba1d6d4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 07:43:00 EST Subject: Re: SV: SV: Ableton LIVE's ability to loop in real time To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <1QB5Q.A.An.rzHc-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > it would be really nice if the program could > > "play" a test pulse which could be routed out > > of the soundcard , and then back in again and recorded. > > The value obtained could then be used to make everything line up. > > > > andy butler > > > I doubt that would be needed. We're talking software here and the > computer must "know" the latency value, Usually the user has to enter a figure into the application. Sometimes the audio drivers will have a figure available, and also allow you to adjust for minimum delay without breakup. ...but for someone using a generic PC soundcard the accepted method seems to be to overdub onto a recording then compare the timing. The help files for Cool Edit Pro recommend a "loopback" connection to re-record a pulse waveform . >. I've been working a lot with Logic and > SX and these programs does compensate automatically and it must be > possible to do that even in looping software. Well , I'd guess they just use a default value until you enter an exact figure in the "options". I don't think there's any way the application would "know" the specs of the soundcard. > But a computer can never > "know" what you (the "analog" musician) is going to play into the > recording input in the next second. huh, me neither sometimes ;-) > for live looping since the machine needs only a couple of milliseconds > to calculate latency compensation and line up the recording with the > spinning loop. I don't know much about software developing but I guess > it's called a "look-a-head function". > someone on the list (was it the "AmbiLoop guy",Christopher MacDonald) did post about how he solved the problem for looping software. best wishes andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 09:03:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2DDvdd10095; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 08:57:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 08:57:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: SV: SV: SV: Ableton LIVE's ability to loop in real time Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:57:33 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <002601c2e968$7f47fcd0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20030313121256.96286.qmail@web40514.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h2DDvcM10070 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Från: Louie Angulo [mailto:laab2000us@yahoo.com] > I saw a band called "Calexico" Really cool stuff, desert music, > film oriented, very misterious with mariachi trompets,pedal > steel drones and dreamy xylophones textures, plus nylon > spanish guitars of course and a mouth organ. The singer had a > special microphone on the side which sounded like the old > 50´s records a bit distorted cheap but very cool.Do you know > if there are some microphones geared for this type of sound? > Cheers L.a Wow, that description sounds pretty awsome to me! All those ultra cool instruments in the same band ;-) There is this "Green Bullet" microphone originally used by the Chicago blues singers/harmonica players. I guess that's the one. Picture at http://www.harmonicastore.com/equip_mics.shtml Cheers Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 10:02:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2DErPn16781; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 09:53:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 09:53:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 06:54:48 -0800 Subject: Re: Tubes! They do a ____ good! Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200303130934.h2D9YIR18316@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, March 13, 2003, at 01:34 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Kirkland Mack wrote: >> There are lots of standalone preamps and standalone power amps, and >> there lots of guys who like power amp saturation, so why aren't there >> any standalone power amps designed to give "vintage" sound and >> pleasing overdrive? >> Mesa/Boogie makes a rackmount Class-A tube power amp, 20 watts a side (the 20/20) which has buffered outputs which can be fed into a larger, clean power amp, or a mixer or whatever: http://mesaboogie.com/Product_Info/Stereo_Power/20_20_Stereo/ 20_20_stereo.html Zachary Vex also makes a 1/2W amp, the size of a stompbox: http://zvexamps.com/ But, as others have pointed out, if you really want the amp-turned-up-loud distortion sound, the speaker is also a factor, so a speaker iso box or cabinet simulator would also be needed. You're quickly looking at something like a thousand dollars for the power amp and speaker-type box. But if you must have that sound, it's not going to be cheap or easy. TH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 10:40:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2DFY8423004; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:34:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:34:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030313153402.89626.qmail@web40501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 07:34:02 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Speakers for looping rig To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002601c2e968$7f47fcd0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Any recomendations on transportable P.A. speakers that will react well with a looping guitar rig i.e. Gr33 Synth and GP100 amp simulator preamp? The smaller and powerful the better,of course! L.a. ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 11:19:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2DGClW29454; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:12:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:12:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.193.127.2] X-Original-From: "Weg" Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:11:40 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:SV: SV: SV: SV: Ableton LIVE's ability to loop in real time X-Mailer: WebMail Version 1.0 From: Weg Message-Id: <20030313.081226.435.151201@webmail10.lax.untd.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a green bullet and it does sound like the old recordings. I use it mainly for harmonica but occasionally sing through it for effect! weg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 12:34:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2DHRO506844; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:27:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:27:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000401c2e985$e7932ea0$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <1046940151.3e6709f7cd9ec@www.suitandtieguy.com> <010201c2e5bf$c1e21a50$08f49840@g0wn7> <008501c2e619$34582d00$a538fc0c@amd> Subject: today thursday meeting with jimmy george Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:28:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi jesse, we on for today? did not hear back from you ysterday. alls good hear. let me know... jg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 12:37:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2DHVD107656; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:31:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:31:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c2e986$71ba00e0$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <1046940151.3e6709f7cd9ec@www.suitandtieguy.com> <010201c2e5bf$c1e21a50$08f49840@g0wn7> <008501c2e619$34582d00$a538fc0c@amd> <000401c2e985$e7932ea0$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> Subject: Re: today thursday meeting with jimmy george Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:31:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com meant to send to jesse. sorry! jg ----- Original Message ----- From: Jimmy George Band To: Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 10:28 AM Subject: today thursday meeting with jimmy george > > hi jesse, we on for today? did not hear back from you ysterday. alls good > hear. let me know... > > > jg > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 12:43:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2DHbsX08674; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:37:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:37:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c2e987$60ae7d20$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <20030301191905.61407.qmail@web40513.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Considering Boomerang or EDP Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:38:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi louie! your original note fell through the ld cracks over here. sorry for the delay. thanks for the questions! i have been using sunrise pickups for 12 years now. i love them. they are the best sound hole magnetic pickup available. they are hard to find though. elderly music normally has 1 or 2 in stock. james k only makes 500 each year. for your tapping you might want to check this pickup out. let me know... yes i wish the rang could change its speeds while in the on position. also wish they were midi! i also have a new fishman prefix plus pickup from my rainsong guitar if you know anyone interested. hope this helps some. let me know if you have any other questions on this stuff. all the best to you l.a, jg http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Louie Angulo To: Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 12:19 PM Subject: Re: Considering Boomerang or EDP > Hi Jimmy, > I want to put a pick up on my acoustic so i can tap > and drum on it.Right now i only have a piezo fishman > on the bridge which doesnt do the job.I have been > reading about the rare earths and now of course about > the sunrise.What are your recomendations? > I also have the rang and i like it although the new > transpose modes woulb be really cool if they could be > accesed directly without having to stop the loop,no? > cu > L.a > > > > > > > > > check out my equipment page on > > http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com under 'music' > > when you can. i have pics of both the old rang and > > the new one. i also have > > a schematic for a simple routing system i've built > > for the rang allowing you > > to get up to 12 signals into the loop. 4 of the > > signals you can split to the > > house as well. very sweet! > > > > give me a shout if you have any more boomerang > > questions. i know the pedal > > very well. > > > > with the boomerangs simplicity set-up & functions i > > find i can dig deeper > > into the music and truly get the most out of my 'g' > > chord if you will. > > > > good luck and loop on! > > > > jimmy > > > > http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com > > http://www.jimmygeorgeband.com > > http://www.mousebearrecords.com > > > > > > > ===== > www.labalou.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 13:17:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2DI7ZM13597; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:07:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:07:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030313180728.70732.qmail@web40514.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:07:28 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Considering Boomerang or EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002b01c2e987$60ae7d20$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there Jimmy Well thanks ma friend for not forgetting me! Say, there is the Rare earth from Fishman which resembles the sunrise sigle coil and humbucker.I hve heard that this types of pickups tend to make the acustic sound electric.Is this the case with the sunrise? Cheers L.a --- Jimmy George Band wrote: > hi louie! your original note fell through the ld > cracks over here. sorry for > the delay. thanks for the questions! i have been > using sunrise pickups for > 12 years now. i love them. they are the best sound > hole magnetic pickup > available. they are hard to find though. elderly > music normally has 1 or 2 > in stock. james k only makes 500 each year. for your > tapping you might want > to check this pickup out. let me know... yes i wish > the rang could change > its speeds while in the on position. also wish they > were midi! i also have a > new fishman prefix plus pickup from my rainsong > guitar if you know anyone > interested. > > hope this helps some. let me know if you have any > other questions on this > stuff. > > all the best to you l.a, > jg > http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Louie Angulo > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 12:19 PM > Subject: Re: Considering Boomerang or EDP > > > > Hi Jimmy, > > I want to put a pick up on my acoustic so i can > tap > > and drum on it.Right now i only have a piezo > fishman > > on the bridge which doesnt do the job.I have been > > reading about the rare earths and now of course > about > > the sunrise.What are your recomendations? > > I also have the rang and i like it although the > new > > transpose modes woulb be really cool if they could > be > > accesed directly without having to stop the > loop,no? > > cu > > L.a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check out my equipment page on > > > http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com under 'music' > > > when you can. i have pics of both the old rang > and > > > the new one. i also have > > > a schematic for a simple routing system i've > built > > > for the rang allowing you > > > to get up to 12 signals into the loop. 4 of the > > > signals you can split to the > > > house as well. very sweet! > > > > > > give me a shout if you have any more boomerang > > > questions. i know the pedal > > > very well. > > > > > > with the boomerangs simplicity set-up & > functions i > > > find i can dig deeper > > > into the music and truly get the most out of my > 'g' > > > chord if you will. > > > > > > good luck and loop on! > > > > > > jimmy > > > > > > http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com > > > http://www.jimmygeorgeband.com > > > http://www.mousebearrecords.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > www.labalou.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > > > > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 13:31:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2DIOLV16050; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:24:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:24:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005f01c2e996$21735d10$a538fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <00ad01c2e8dc$77106ed0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> Subject: Re: Per's loop rig... Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:24:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Looks suspiciously similar to the one I am building... http://www.neoprimitive.net/jlucas/tmp/js_rack.jpg (currently Behringer PX2000 patch bay, Echoplex Digital Pro, Yamaha A5000. It will probably get a Behringer MX2642A Eurorack on the top, because I am too po' to afford a Mackie. How much does your's weigh, Per? I want to know what I am in for. :) One of the cool things about that Gator case (http://www.gatorcases.com), I think, is that it has more rack spaces on the back than on the front (mine is 6U front, 10U rear -- Per's is bigger), so if you have gear which you don't need to access the faceplate for (like a power conditioner, or such) you can just stick it on the back. It's also 20" deep. Deeper than a standard rack, and deep enough to fit the rack-mount server case I have. That means, I could potentially haul out a full size PC w/Aardvark Q10 for recording/noise making. The top is 10U, so the Echoplex could easily sit up there with a mixer. Probably the patch bay, too... If I was gonna haul out a PC though, a flat-screen monitor sure would be nice... -Jesse From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 14:08:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2DIwJO19484; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:58:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:58:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Per's loop rig... Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 19:58:14 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <004001c2e992$804dbaf0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <005f01c2e996$21735d10$a538fc0c@amd> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Looks suspiciously similar to the one I am building... > http://www.neoprimitive.net/jlucas/tmp/js_rack.jpg Wow, cool! Gator rocks! > How much does your's weigh, Per? I want to know what I am in for. :) Ouch - way too much! (more than a laptop ;-) I can lift it for shorter passages and I keep a cart for longer transports. But it is too big to balance on the cart and threatens to tip over all the time. But it sures feels good to have the stuff well protected. > One of the cool things about that Gator case > (http://www.gatorcases.com), I think, is that > it has more > rack spaces on the back than on the front (mine is 6U front, > 10U rear -- Per's is bigger), Oh no, mine is the same size :-) http://www.boysen.se/pboy_looping_rig.jpg Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 14:15:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2DJABf22204; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:10:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:10:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004601c2e994$44869ee0$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <20030313180728.70732.qmail@web40514.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Considering Boomerang or EDP Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:10:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <2RjdyB.A.0aF.SeNc-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com indeed it is. most of the sound hole ickups that are magnetically wound will act as a humbucker in the acoustic world. i like to process lots of distortions etc and the sunrise holds its own the best. im gonna try the lace bronze pu this coming week (a sound hole acoustic pu) i will let you know what i think. i am open for a 'better' pu than the sunrise for my applications but have not found it yet. btw because the sunrise is wound so well it is also heavy on the soundboard when attatched. minor but relevent. also get the buffer box preamp with the sunrise to maximise its efforts. another 120.00 us bucks. peace jg ----- Original Message ----- From: Louie Angulo To: Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 11:07 AM Subject: Re: Considering Boomerang or EDP > Hi there Jimmy > Well thanks ma friend for not forgetting me! > Say, there is the Rare earth from Fishman which > resembles the sunrise sigle coil and humbucker.I hve > heard that this types of pickups tend to make the > acustic sound electric.Is this the case with the > sunrise? > Cheers > L.a > > > > --- Jimmy George Band wrote: > > hi louie! your original note fell through the ld > > cracks over here. sorry for > > the delay. thanks for the questions! i have been > > using sunrise pickups for > > 12 years now. i love them. they are the best sound > > hole magnetic pickup > > available. they are hard to find though. elderly > > music normally has 1 or 2 > > in stock. james k only makes 500 each year. for your > > tapping you might want > > to check this pickup out. let me know... yes i wish > > the rang could change > > its speeds while in the on position. also wish they > > were midi! i also have a > > new fishman prefix plus pickup from my rainsong > > guitar if you know anyone > > interested. > > > > hope this helps some. let me know if you have any > > other questions on this > > stuff. > > > > all the best to you l.a, > > jg > > http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Louie Angulo > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 12:19 PM > > Subject: Re: Considering Boomerang or EDP > > > > > > > Hi Jimmy, > > > I want to put a pick up on my acoustic so i can > > tap > > > and drum on it.Right now i only have a piezo > > fishman > > > on the bridge which doesnt do the job.I have been > > > reading about the rare earths and now of course > > about > > > the sunrise.What are your recomendations? > > > I also have the rang and i like it although the > > new > > > transpose modes woulb be really cool if they could > > be > > > accesed directly without having to stop the > > loop,no? > > > cu > > > L.a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check out my equipment page on > > > > http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com under 'music' > > > > when you can. i have pics of both the old rang > > and > > > > the new one. i also have > > > > a schematic for a simple routing system i've > > built > > > > for the rang allowing you > > > > to get up to 12 signals into the loop. 4 of the > > > > signals you can split to the > > > > house as well. very sweet! > > > > > > > > give me a shout if you have any more boomerang > > > > questions. i know the pedal > > > > very well. > > > > > > > > with the boomerangs simplicity set-up & > > functions i > > > > find i can dig deeper > > > > into the music and truly get the most out of my > > 'g' > > > > chord if you will. > > > > > > > > good luck and loop on! > > > > > > > > jimmy > > > > > > > > http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com > > > > http://www.jimmygeorgeband.com > > > > http://www.mousebearrecords.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > www.labalou.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! 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Web Hosting - establish your business online > http://webhosting.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 14:26:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2DJKh823551; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:20:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:20:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005301c2e995$bc077740$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <20030313180728.70732.qmail@web40514.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Considering Boomerang or EDP Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:21:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <3LFUgD.A.yvF.KoNc-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com to have the most of the best of both worlds i fall a smidgen short on the real deal acoustic sounds from my sunrise. it is close enough though to sound just fine for me. the under the saddle pickups as a general rule will sound more acousticy but cannot handle the distortions without feedback or buzzsaw sound problems. i used to bled a highlander under the saddle with my sr but just edged more and more of the highlander out of my blender until it was gone. under the saddle better for walking into an open mic/ house pa situation and sounding good just plugged in, sunrise better for tweaking processing sounds fx etc. i gots to have my distortions and your face so i fall i bit short in the true blu acoustic category but more than make up for it in the world of fx... sweeeeeeeeet! peace jg ----- Original Message ----- From: Louie Angulo To: Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 11:07 AM Subject: Re: Considering Boomerang or EDP > Hi there Jimmy > Well thanks ma friend for not forgetting me! > Say, there is the Rare earth from Fishman which > resembles the sunrise sigle coil and humbucker.I hve > heard that this types of pickups tend to make the > acustic sound electric.Is this the case with the > sunrise? > Cheers > L.a > > > > --- Jimmy George Band wrote: > > hi louie! your original note fell through the ld > > cracks over here. sorry for > > the delay. thanks for the questions! i have been > > using sunrise pickups for > > 12 years now. i love them. they are the best sound > > hole magnetic pickup > > available. they are hard to find though. elderly > > music normally has 1 or 2 > > in stock. james k only makes 500 each year. for your > > tapping you might want > > to check this pickup out. let me know... yes i wish > > the rang could change > > its speeds while in the on position. also wish they > > were midi! i also have a > > new fishman prefix plus pickup from my rainsong > > guitar if you know anyone > > interested. > > > > hope this helps some. let me know if you have any > > other questions on this > > stuff. > > > > all the best to you l.a, > > jg > > http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Louie Angulo > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 12:19 PM > > Subject: Re: Considering Boomerang or EDP > > > > > > > Hi Jimmy, > > > I want to put a pick up on my acoustic so i can > > tap > > > and drum on it.Right now i only have a piezo > > fishman > > > on the bridge which doesnt do the job.I have been > > > reading about the rare earths and now of course > > about > > > the sunrise.What are your recomendations? > > > I also have the rang and i like it although the > > new > > > transpose modes woulb be really cool if they could > > be > > > accesed directly without having to stop the > > loop,no? > > > cu > > > L.a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check out my equipment page on > > > > http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com under 'music' > > > > when you can. i have pics of both the old rang > > and > > > > the new one. i also have > > > > a schematic for a simple routing system i've > > built > > > > for the rang allowing you > > > > to get up to 12 signals into the loop. 4 of the > > > > signals you can split to the > > > > house as well. very sweet! > > > > > > > > give me a shout if you have any more boomerang > > > > questions. i know the pedal > > > > very well. > > > > > > > > with the boomerangs simplicity set-up & > > functions i > > > > find i can dig deeper > > > > into the music and truly get the most out of my > > 'g' > > > > chord if you will. > > > > > > > > good luck and loop on! > > > > > > > > jimmy > > > > > > > > http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com > > > > http://www.jimmygeorgeband.com > > > > http://www.mousebearrecords.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > www.labalou.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > > > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > www.labalou.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online > http://webhosting.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 14:27:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2DJKhZ23575; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:20:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:20:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:20:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200303131920.OAA06389@www20.ureach.com> To: "Louie Angulo" From: "Benjamin C. Linford" Reply-to: Subject: Re: Speakers for looping rig Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-vsuite-type: e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 10" jbl powered eons ~Ben ---- On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Louie Angulo (laab2000us@yahoo.com) wrote: > Any recomendations on transportable P.A. speakers that > will react well with a looping guitar rig i.e. Gr33 > Synth and GP100 amp simulator preamp? The smaller and > powerful the better,of course! > L.a. > > ===== > www.labalou.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online > http://webhosting.yahoo.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 14:28:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2DJNn524070; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:23:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:23:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009601c2e996$0dfd8580$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <004001c2e992$804dbaf0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> Subject: Re: Per's loop rig... Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:23:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Looks suspiciously similar to the one I am building... > > http://www.neoprimitive.net/jlucas/tmp/js_rack.jpg > > Wow, cool! Gator rocks! Wow ** 2! I just ordered a Gator GRC-10X8 for a new looping rig! I've been needing it for some time but the impending Loopstock is a great movitator. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 14:28:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2DJNcY24026; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:23:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:23:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:23:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200303131923.OAA07883@www20.ureach.com> To: "Per Boysen" From: "Benjamin C. Linford" Reply-to: Subject: Behringer FCB1010 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-vsuite-type: e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com what can you program the Behringer FCB1010 to control? ~Ben ---- On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Per Boysen (per@boysen.se) wrote: > > Från: Louie Angulo [mailto:laab2000us@yahoo.com] > > > Hi Per, > > Can you describe your rack config. again? some of it i > > can´t see but it resembles mine > > thanx > > L.a > > > "Again"? Don't remember I did that before.... Anyway, here we go... > > ---> Gator Rack, > ---> Mixer Eurorack MX1604A > (mounted on top of the Gator Rack) > ---> Mic preamp Sonorus VXP1 > (compressing acoustic input, filtering/deessing and also a soft gate for > not getting a lot of noise from when I do not play into my loops. Used > mostly for tenor saxophone by either a cheap "bug mic" or house PA mic), > > ---> Guitar preamp Digitech GFX1 TwinTube > (using only one "preset" that sounds ok with my Stratocaster. That's a > clean guitar sound. I have almost stopped using distortion since I > bought a cello bow last year. By bowing the strat I can get a tenor sax > similar sound from the lowest string) > ---> EDP > (EDP is midi clock master. Always dividing memory into four loops. Using > all 15 programs with different settings for 8th/cycle, quantize, overdub > and insert mode) > ---> Repeater > (slaving to EDP midi clock. Two track outputs going into separate mixer > channels. Two other outputs - always panned left/right - going into one > stereo mixer channel. > ---> Lexicon LXP-5, digital reverb > (only using one preset that I think is the best) > ---> Really Nice Compressor > (used in RNC mode on the master output from the mixer) > > I have stopped using the EDP foot control and control both loopers with > a Behringer FCB1010. You can't get all, since setting the system up is a > balance between having access to many cool tricks and being able to > improvise freely. Can't be too complicated ;-) And I also use some of > the stuff with living room studio recordings. > > Oh, I almost forgot some non rack stuff. There's a MC-303 I sometimes > slave to midi clock for drum loops. And there's a CD walkman I can use > with vocal speaches. Normally I like to stay away from using drums and > vocals but it's cool to keep it handy anyway. > > The EDP 8th/cycle settings I use is for "straight" 4/4, "jazzy" 6/8 or > "arty" 5/4. I would like to be able use more time signatures (especially > 7/8) but these three are what fitted into only 15 memory banks, > regarding program copies with alternate overdub and quantize settings. > Again: you cant have everything ;-) > > Best regards > > Per Boysen > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 14:30:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2DJPCN24287; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:25:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:25:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006001c2e996$5db1e120$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <20030313153402.89626.qmail@web40501.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Speakers for looping rig Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:25:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i like the fender passport 250 watt suitcase pa. i dont know if it is the best for your application though. they are pretty cheap too at 600 usd or so jg ----- Original Message ----- From: Louie Angulo To: Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 8:34 AM Subject: Speakers for looping rig > Any recomendations on transportable P.A. speakers that > will react well with a looping guitar rig i.e. Gr33 > Synth and GP100 amp simulator preamp? The smaller and > powerful the better,of course! > L.a. > > ===== > www.labalou.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online > http://webhosting.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 14:38:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2DJWSh25393; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:32:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:32:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:25:42 -0600 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: delay time part ii In-reply-to: <1D348424.150C053E.2437D650@aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <019101c2e996$56de9870$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you could use the repeater to do this. you will get some glitching from the time stretch algorithm, but it shouldn't change pitch. using a repeater as a delay is a bit overkill, though. this makes me think that some of the more high end multifx boxes (eventide orville maybe) could also do it... >... > change-in-delay-time without necessitating a portamento glide > effect or that re-calculating > gl-llli-itttt-cch--ch-hhh-n-lock. I was hoping that someone > may know of a higher-end delay unit that could accomplish > smooth transitions. ... >... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 15:04:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2DJw3b29216; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:58:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:58:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030313005900.02a9d520@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:53:56 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Ableton LIVE's ability to loop in real time In-Reply-To: <00ad01c2e8dc$77106ed0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030312102218.04aa7008@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:15 PM 3/12/2003, Per Boysen wrote: > > Från: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] > > there is also control latency in this case. > >Sure, you're perfectly right about that. But I could stand waiting 7 >milliseconds longer if I could bring just a laptop instead of this >monster: http://www.boysen.se/pboy_looping_rig.jpg ;-D Per, you miss my point. Absolute latency is not so much the issue, but lack of a guaranteed latency. Maybe control latency is 7ms nine times out of ten, but every now and then it happens to be 50 ms, and maybe somewhat rarer it is even higher. So if you perfectly tap a 1.00 second loop, mostly it is 1.00 seconds, but sometimes it ends up as 1.05s, or 0.97s. Once in a while you get 1.20s. It will be somewhat random, depending on whether your system happens to be busy doing something else at that moment. You can't manage rhythm reliably with an os like that. (Judging by my win2k laptop, you might sometimes get 3.0 seconds if the disk happens to be spinning up or there is some network activity or whatever....) A hard real-time system will always guarantee that any event will happen in a specific amount of time, no matter what else is happening. The EDP for example, guarantees 1.5 ms for any switch or midi command to be executed, at all times. A general purpose non-realtime os cannot do that. > > Also "any recorded sound won't have to be played back until > > the next loop > > round" is only true in the most simplistic approach to looping. For > > example, what if you tap reverse while you are overdubbing? > >Ooops.... Good point there! THAT maneuver will always be affected with >some "early delay" in software loopers. I love to do this with the EDP >and plucked string instruments! that is just one example. another is handling sync to external devices. There are others. All I have to do is think of all the things that used to cause clicks in the echoplex during development, and that's where you will have trouble in a non-realtime system. If you look at the latest cars, it is common for PC systems to be built in for driver navigation systems and passenger entertainment. Windows is perfect for that because there are a lot of existing programs ready to go. But I don't think you will find windows running the processor that controls your fuel injection or anti-lock brakes! True real-time os's are used for those. > > just recorded needs to be played back immediately or you will > > get a pop, > >Not necessarily. A smoothing fade during that "reverse delay" period can >be written into the software. I would have no problems with that. When >it comes to reverb it's ok with some "predelay". Apparently software >loopers will never be the same thing as hardware loopers. I guess both >will have their pros and cons. Well, good luck with that one. to me, a more significant issue than these technical points is the user interface. Notebook computers are designed for businessmen to create power point slides in airports and display them in conference rooms. I know, I used to design these things. That's who the customer is, and that is who the interface is designed for. There are no features tailored for musicians except by coincidence. If you want it to be a looper, you need to customize and add a lot of things for you to be able to control it and make it work for that purpose. If you have that much time and patience on your hands, great, go for it. I think most people would rather spend their time using the tool rather than creating it. Personally, I find myself with less and less patience for things where I have to create the user interface details for a tool before I can use it. I don't have the time to research all the options, try them out, and make a decision about what works best for an application. I want somebody else to weed out all the bad ideas and present something coherent and workable. Preferably they come up with a really intuitive interface with nice ergonomics, and I can jump right in, learn how to work it, and start using it. Then I can use that tool to do whatever it is I want to do, rather then spend all my time creating the tool for myself. For example, I've now given up on the idea of using a PC/Mac for recording. I've been planning to go that route for years, but the burden of all the decisions needed to make it happen was too much. I didn't have time for figuring it out, so it never happened. My girlfriend has been frustrated about this for years, since she is the one who really likes recording and had outgrown the 4-tracks, but for her figuring out the pc requirements was too intimidating to even start. Instead we just bought a 16 track standalone hard disk recorder with a cd-r built in. (Yamaha AW16G). Everything is laid out nicely, all the elements we need are there - mixer, patchbay, effects, i/o, eq, cdr, hd, loop sampler, etc. Nicely ergonomic control surface, good quality audio, easy to use, etc. No decisions to make, just learn to use it and go. One credit card transaction. It does everything we need and then some, and in the end probably cost a lot less than I would have spent on a pc recording system. We're happy, and she'll probably begin a recording project here within days. It probably would have been years if we kept on the PC path. To me, that is the real advantage of a dedicated device over a general purpose computer/laptop. How much time and energy are you going to put into customizing an interface for that general purpose device to fit your needs, before you can do anything with it at all? How much time are you going to spend screwing around with it later, fixing problems, installing updates, etc? The dedicated device might have you up and running in minutes. And after all the effort you put into customizing the general purpose device for your needs, how good is it really? A dedicated device had one or more knowledgeable people spend a whole bunch of time figuring out the details of the interface design, probably with input from other users. These days I find I'd much rather take advantage of the interface design work that somebody else already did, rather than reinventing that wheel myself. To each his own I guess. Certainly there are people who love the idea of building their own musical tools. I think they are the musician equivalent of people who build hot rods. Its a lot of fun and a passion to build your own car, even if ultimately you hardly ever drive it except to shows with other hot rod builders. Most people would prefer to just have a car that gets them from A to B..... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 15:31:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2DKJsP01749; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:19:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:19:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:21:56 -0800 Subject: Re: Ableton LIVE's ability to loop in real time Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030313005900.02a9d520@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: <7004AAB5-5591-11D7-8F81-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h2DKJrM01722 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So, I wonder how it is that MOTU's POLAR looper seems to work perfectly with no audible drift or latency using their 828 Firewire interface. Could it be because you're synching your loop to a predefined amount of measures based on your tempo? I also know that POLAR only uses RAM so that things happen without any disk issues. You can later "print" your loops to the hard drive and then use them in any way you'd like. Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, March 13, 2003, at 11:53 AM, Kim Flint wrote: > At 01:15 PM 3/12/2003, Per Boysen wrote: >> > Från: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] >> > there is also control latency in this case. >> >> Sure, you're perfectly right about that. But I could stand waiting 7 >> milliseconds longer if I could bring just a laptop instead of this >> monster: http://www.boysen.se/pboy_looping_rig.jpg ;-D > > Per, you miss my point. Absolute latency is not so much the issue, but > lack of a guaranteed latency. Maybe control latency is 7ms nine times > out of ten, but every now and then it happens to be 50 ms, and maybe > somewhat rarer it is even higher. So if you perfectly tap a 1.00 > second loop, mostly it is 1.00 seconds, but sometimes it ends up as > 1.05s, or 0.97s. Once in a while you get 1.20s. It will be somewhat > random, depending on whether your system happens to be busy doing > something else at that moment. You can't manage rhythm reliably with > an os like that. (Judging by my win2k laptop, you might sometimes get > 3.0 seconds if the disk happens to be spinning up or there is some > network activity or whatever....) > > A hard real-time system will always guarantee that any event will > happen in a specific amount of time, no matter what else is happening. > The EDP for example, guarantees 1.5 ms for any switch or midi command > to be executed, at all times. A general purpose non-realtime os cannot > do that. > >> > Also "any recorded sound won't have to be played back until >> > the next loop >> > round" is only true in the most simplistic approach to looping. For >> > example, what if you tap reverse while you are overdubbing? >> >> Ooops.... Good point there! THAT maneuver will always be affected with >> some "early delay" in software loopers. I love to do this with the EDP >> and plucked string instruments! > > that is just one example. another is handling sync to external > devices. There are others. All I have to do is think of all the things > that used to cause clicks in the echoplex during development, and > that's where you will have trouble in a non-realtime system. > > If you look at the latest cars, it is common for PC systems to be > built in for driver navigation systems and passenger entertainment. > Windows is perfect for that because there are a lot of existing > programs ready to go. But I don't think you will find windows running > the processor that controls your fuel injection or anti-lock brakes! > True real-time os's are used for those. > >> > just recorded needs to be played back immediately or you will >> > get a pop, >> >> Not necessarily. A smoothing fade during that "reverse delay" period >> can >> be written into the software. I would have no problems with that. When >> it comes to reverb it's ok with some "predelay". Apparently software >> loopers will never be the same thing as hardware loopers. I guess both >> will have their pros and cons. > > Well, good luck with that one. > > to me, a more significant issue than these technical points is the > user interface. Notebook computers are designed for businessmen to > create power point slides in airports and display them in conference > rooms. I know, I used to design these things. That's who the customer > is, and that is who the interface is designed for. There are no > features tailored for musicians except by coincidence. If you want it > to be a looper, you need to customize and add a lot of things for you > to be able to control it and make it work for that purpose. If you > have that much time and patience on your hands, great, go for it. I > think most people would rather spend their time using the tool rather > than creating it. > > Personally, I find myself with less and less patience for things where > I have to create the user interface details for a tool before I can > use it. I don't have the time to research all the options, try them > out, and make a decision about what works best for an application. I > want somebody else to weed out all the bad ideas and present something > coherent and workable. Preferably they come up with a really intuitive > interface with nice ergonomics, and I can jump right in, learn how to > work it, and start using it. Then I can use that tool to do whatever > it is I want to do, rather then spend all my time creating the tool > for myself. > > For example, I've now given up on the idea of using a PC/Mac for > recording. I've been planning to go that route for years, but the > burden of all the decisions needed to make it happen was too much. I > didn't have time for figuring it out, so it never happened. My > girlfriend has been frustrated about this for years, since she is the > one who really likes recording and had outgrown the 4-tracks, but for > her figuring out the pc requirements was too intimidating to even > start. Instead we just bought a 16 track standalone hard disk > recorder with a cd-r built in. (Yamaha AW16G). Everything is laid out > nicely, all the elements we need are there - mixer, patchbay, effects, > i/o, eq, cdr, hd, loop sampler, etc. Nicely ergonomic control surface, > good quality audio, easy to use, etc. No decisions to make, just learn > to use it and go. One credit card transaction. It does everything we > need and then some, and in the end probably cost a lot less than I > would have spent on a pc recording system. We're happy, and she'll > probably begin a recording project here within days. It probably would > have been years if we kept on the PC path. > > To me, that is the real advantage of a dedicated device over a general > purpose computer/laptop. How much time and energy are you going to put > into customizing an interface for that general purpose device to fit > your needs, before you can do anything with it at all? How much time > are you going to spend screwing around with it later, fixing problems, > installing updates, etc? The dedicated device might have you up and > running in minutes. And after all the effort you put into customizing > the general purpose device for your needs, how good is it really? A > dedicated device had one or more knowledgeable people spend a whole > bunch of time figuring out the details of the interface design, > probably with input from other users. These days I find I'd much > rather take advantage of the interface design work that somebody else > already did, rather than reinventing that wheel myself. > > To each his own I guess. Certainly there are people who love the idea > of building their own musical tools. I think they are the musician > equivalent of people who build hot rods. Its a lot of fun and a > passion to build your own car, even if ultimately you hardly ever > drive it except to shows with other hot rod builders. Most people > would prefer to just have a car that gets them from A to B..... > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 15:52:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2DKicQ05523; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:44:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:44:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.193.127.2] X-Original-From: "Weg" Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 20:43:22 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:Re: Ableton LIVE's ability to loop in real time X-Mailer: WebMail Version 1.0 From: Weg Message-Id: <20030313.124407.527.503331@webmail03.lax.untd.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Kim said "For example, I've now given up on the idea of using a PC/Mac for recording. I've been planning to go that route for years, but the burden of all the decisions needed to make it happen was too much. I didn't have time for figuring it out, so it never happened." I've felt this way for a long time and finally switched from a 4-track reel to adats in the mid 90's. I still would love to do it all on the PC but the OS IS the problem. I still use the 4-track just because I love the sound and it definitely warms up the digital sound if I pass through the Teac Reel first but then again I'm still learning! Peace, Weg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 16:02:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2DKtm906893; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:55:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:55:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1e6.4401af2.2ba24a4b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:55:39 EST Subject: kim's refreshing insight To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e6.4401af2.2ba24a4b_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1e6.4401af2.2ba24a4b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/13/03 2:59:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: > For example, I've now given up on the idea of using a PC/Mac for recording. > I've been planning to go that route for years, but the burden of all the > decisions needed to make it happen was too much. thanks kim.....i was begining to think that i was the only one who thought like this.....michael --part1_1e6.4401af2.2ba24a4b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 3/13/0= 3 2:59:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes:


For example, I've now given up=20= on the idea of using a PC/Mac for recording.
I've been planning to go that route for years, but the burden of all the decisions needed to make it happen was too much.


thanks kim.....i was begining to think that i was the only one who thought l= ike this.....michael --part1_1e6.4401af2.2ba24a4b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 16:22:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2DLAjv10104; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:10:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:10:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:10:33 EST Subject: D.C. loopfest To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: <86xQ0.A.xdC.VPPc-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well it turns out that i cannot make it to LOOPSTOCK 2003 so i am setting my sites closer to home.....D.C. is a several hour drive away.....what is the status of this fest? any openings on the bill? anyone want to come to pittsburgh and ride down with me?.....any info will make me feel better about missing LOOPSTOCK (monster big SIGH!).....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 16:25:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2DLGxm10663; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:16:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:16:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Ray9356@aol.com Message-ID: <25.35b883fe.2ba24f39@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:16:41 EST Subject: Re: kim's refreshing insight To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_25.35b883fe.2ba24f39_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10641 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_25.35b883fe.2ba24f39_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/13/03 3:57:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: > For example, I've now given up on the idea of using a PC/Mac for recording. > I've been planning to go that route for years, but the burden of all the > decisions needed to make it happen was too much. Its actually quite simple. HARDWARE Mac= more stable, better suited to audio generally, "pros" use it ( like anyone cares) PC= more "accessable" (more shareware/freeware, plus most people have one already). Not at all badly suited to audio, as Mac heads will try and convince you. SOFTWARE Simple is always better when your starting out. Get a cheap copy of Micrologic AV for 100 bucks and a decent soundcard. Logic is known for hella easy interface. Will let you record audio and MIDI and mixdown to digital file. See, arent you glad you complained? :) --part1_25.35b883fe.2ba24f39_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 3/13/03 3:57:03 PM Eastern Standard= Time, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes:


For example, I've now given up=20= on the idea of using a PC/Mac for recording.
I've been planning to go that route for years, but the burden of all the decisions needed to make it happen was too much.



Its actually quite simple. 

HARDWARE

Mac=3D more stable, better suited to audio generally, "pros" use it ( like a= nyone cares)
PC=3D more "accessable" (more shareware/freeware, plus most people have one=20= already).  Not at all badly suited to audio, as Mac heads will try and=20= convince you.

SOFTWARE

Simple is always better when your starting out.  Get a cheap copy of Mi= crologic AV for 100 bucks and a decent soundcard.  Logic is known for h= ella easy interface.  Will let you record audio and MIDI and mixdown to= digital file.

See, arent you glad you complained?  :)


 --part1_25.35b883fe.2ba24f39_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 16:29:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2DLLpR11349; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:21:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:21:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030313212150.3002.qmail@web21506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:21:50 -0800 (PST) From: Squid Loop Subject: Rack Setup To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1e6.4401af2.2ba24a4b@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, I've been experimenting with my setup for the past few weeks trying out different combinations and was wondering if you guys had any advice for me. Currently I am running the following: Sans Amp PSA-1 Preamp Line 6 Echo Pro Boss VF-1 (effects processor) EDP I plug into the PSA-1 and have the Echo Pro and VF-1 running through the effects loop of the PSA-1. The PSA-1 Out is going into the EDP and the out of the EDP to my Amp - Fender Blues Deville 4x10 (which I am selling so if you are in LA and in need of a nice loud tuber let me know off the list). Any suggestions? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 17:18:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2DMCbQ18532; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:12:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:12:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <78.3a981fdf.2ba25c4a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:12:26 EST Subject: Re: kim's refreshing insight To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_78.3a981fdf.2ba25c4a_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_78.3a981fdf.2ba25c4a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/13/03 4:17:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, Ray9356@aol.com writes: > See, arent you glad you complained? :) > > i never complained.....i just HATE computers.....:).....and midi.....:).....michael (folk looper to da stars) --part1_78.3a981fdf.2ba25c4a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 3/13/0= 3 4:17:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, Ray9356@aol.com writes:


See, arent you glad you complai= ned?  :)



i never complained.....i just HATE computers.....:).....and midi.....:).....= michael (folk looper to da stars) --part1_78.3a981fdf.2ba25c4a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 17:28:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2DMKRx19277; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:20:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:20:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:16:08 -0600 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: [Paris Loopfest] Update... Problems... Postponed? In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01a601c2e9ae$25b5adc0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > ... > My life has been a mess over the past few weeks. To cut it > short, I've > suffered 2 hard disk crashes in as many weeks (Don't ever purchase > MEMUP firewire HD's). I had backed up all of my data from the > ... sorry to hear that. there are places that can recover data from crashed hard drives. here is one: http://www.datasavers.com/ we used them a few years ago at my company and they were able to recover the data on our hard drive, though they were expensive. there are lots of others... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 17:32:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2DMOaa19679; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:24:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:24:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: kim's refreshing insight (was: Ableton LIVE's...) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 23:24:31 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <004a01c2e9af$51b10720$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030313005900.02a9d520@loopers-delight.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h2DMOZM19651 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Från: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] > Per, you miss my point. Yes, I guess I did ;-) I doubt that I will ever find a software looper that will work exactly like the EDP, that's for sure. But I'm not looking for that because I'm perfectly happy with my EDP and almost happy with my Repeater. But I'm curious like hell for what will come up in software in a (hopefully) near future. You just can't expect software to replace hardware with dedicated built in operating systems! But some other cool trick might be possible with software loopers. We'll see ;-) Personally I do all recording on Mac and PC systems and have done so since the first Mac based hard drive recording systems from Digidesign. I even earn some of my income from doing this and I can honestly say that I love computers as much as I love dedicated hardware. The computers I use for recording are dedicating to that task, just as any piece of hardware is. I do not install games and office software together with the music software and I always keep at least one hidden bootable partition with the music software installed, just in case the machine will have a system breakdown in the middle of a recording session. I can then reboot from the second partition and keep up the work flow (although that has not happened yet). You can't expect a computer to be as stable as hardware if you keep using it "like a businessman" ;-) (installing all kinds of applications). I still think my computer based recording system is much easier to maintain than the real to real Tascam 8-track tape recorder I was using in the eighties. You had to clean the heads every day with isopropanol and use a degausser on it to stay free from too much noise. And those tapes were very expensive! But I have to admit that it took me some time, and quite some frustration, to get into hard disk recording as intuitively as I once played around with my old Fostex 4 track cassette porta studio ;-) > to me, a more significant issue than these technical points > is the user > interface. Notebook computers are designed for businessmen to > create power > point slides in airports and display them in conference > rooms. You are so right! That's a problem for computerized musicians. But it looks as we are arriving to a point in time were these "businessman machines" are powerful enough to handle interesting musical instruments as software. > Personally, I find myself with less and less patience for > things where I > have to create the user interface details for a tool before I > can use it. I'm not sure I'm getting the point here? Are you thinking about applications like MAX? With Logic I simply press "record" and go, just like a tape recorder but so much more powerful and versatile. Of course you have to install the software and arrange the preferences to match what you are going to do, but that is only done once. With the guitars I have to change strings every second day if I play fulltime and that is almost boring me to death. In fact all musical instruments demand that you dedicate an awful lot of time to "customize your user interface"; like intonating the bridge, trimming the twang bar, burning sax reed edges, trying out "the right" mouthpiece etc. And as I have invested years of unpaid time to learn to play certain instruments the way I want to, why shouldn't I sit down for some days and tweak a computer that will be serving as my recorder (and also partly as an incredibly inspiring "instrument")? > These days I > find I'd much rather take advantage of the interface design work that > somebody else already did, rather than reinventing that wheel myself. Maybe I understand your point better now ;-) I wouldn't call it "reinventing that wheel". If it's a good piece of gear I would just call it "freedom to use it for what I want to do". All the best Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 17:40:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2DMW6k20769; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:32:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:32:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Per's loop rig... Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:32:00 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01c2e9b0$5d026870$542f04d1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <004001c2e992$804dbaf0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just got one of these too...they rock! Now I can have my mixer plugged in all the time. Heavy though, so make sure you slap some wheels on it. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > Wow, cool! Gator rocks! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 18:59:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2DNs9u30197; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 18:54:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 18:54:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 18:50:00 -0500 Subject: line 6 dl4 mod? Message-ID: <20030313.185001.-312099.1.mabnotes@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,8-10 From: Michael A Baggetta Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I am new to the list and have a question for anybody out there who might be able to help me. I am in love with both the Line 6 DL4 and the Digitech PDS 8000. Is there anyone who can mod a DL4 to emulate aspects of the PDS 8000, i.e. the features of just entering bits of sounds into a loop and pitch modulation? Or is there a device that does all of this that is small and portable? Basically I just want to carry one piece and be able to do it all. Am I asking too much? Thanks, Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 19:15:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2E09eN00399; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 19:09:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 19:09:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: line 6 dl4 mod? Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 19:09:38 -0500 Message-ID: <004701c2e9be$011ab220$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20030313.185001.-312099.1.mabnotes@juno.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Interesting are you trying to effectively combine sampling and looping I have the Zoom SampleTrak and an EDP I believe I could trigger samples from it to run and use overdub on the Echoplex to add additional pieces to an EDP Loop from it. Is that what you are after? -----Original Message----- From: Michael A Baggetta [mailto:mabnotes@juno.com] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 6:50 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: line 6 dl4 mod? Hi, I am new to the list and have a question for anybody out there who might be able to help me. I am in love with both the Line 6 DL4 and the Digitech PDS 8000. Is there anyone who can mod a DL4 to emulate aspects of the PDS 8000, i.e. the features of just entering bits of sounds into a loop and pitch modulation? Or is there a device that does all of this that is small and portable? Basically I just want to carry one piece and be able to do it all. Am I asking too much? Thanks, Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 19:45:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2E0afG03469; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 19:36:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 19:36:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: small tube amps From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030312215615.75418.qmail@web80209.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030312215615.75418.qmail@web80209.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 13 Mar 2003 18:40:16 -0500 Message-Id: <1047598818.2677.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 16:56, Kirkland Mack wrote: > > Hell y'all, just thought I'd let you know I found what I was looking for, in case you were interested. The Mesa 20/20, a 20 watts per side stereo power amp that's supposed to allow you to "use the built-in stereo Slave Outs to capture the sound of a great small amp's musical clip." Hehe, I'll be the judge of that! Anyway it is of great interest to me, so I thought I'd pass it along. - Kirkland Hey, i'd forgotten about that one. Willy's American Guitars in St Paul has one. Expensive, tho. -- -dave "...'cause she knows that it's demanding to defeat those evil machines..." -The Flaming Lips, _Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots pt. 1_ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 20:04:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2E0tA605713; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 19:55:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 19:55:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00aa01c2e9cc$b99057c0$a538fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <004a01c2e9af$51b10720$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> Subject: Re: kim's refreshing insight (was: Ableton LIVE's...) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:55:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It all depends on what you grew up on. If you started out with analog 4-tracks, patch cables, and having dedicated hardware for everything, then you might as well stick with that approach and get a DAW. I got into Cakewalk (now Sonar) at version 2.0, when it fit on one 1.44MB floopy disk and before it even did digital audio at all, so I have basically grown up on that software. There is stuff out there that everyone says is better, but for me it's not worth the downtime to re-learn everything. With so many people switching over to using PCs and Macs for recording/composing purposes I don't see hardware as disappearing, but as getting closer and closer to being computers in themselves. The problem now is getting data back and forth between external hardware in as fast and transparent way as you can move it to and from disk on a computer. It would be great if, say, a sampler, would just speak TCP/IP and have a built in FTP server, and a telnet or SSH server with a console interface. Boot it up, connected to the internet or your LAN, and it has its own IP, or will DHCP one. That would be friggin' awesome. No more proprietary mLAN, or Akai.sys bullshit. No more pokey SCSI/MIDI SDMI transfers. USB implementations are okay, but still require proprietary clients which, once the hardware is superceeded by the next version, inevitably are never updated for new computer OS releases. 100Mbps ethernet for everything -- maybe even wireless! Come on, somebody. Move into the 21st century. Make everything UNIX-based and fluent in TCP/IP, a world-wide standard language. Even Macintosh has realized that things are headed this way (OSX is Unix-based). Windows will go there, eventually (Windows NT is based on FreeBSD, I heard), but they will have a nasty, bloated legacy OS for years to come. I'm sure someone on this list knows what I'm talking about with all these acronyms above. For those of you who don't, sorry to bother you. It will happen eventually. Just wait. -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 20:35:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2E1QUo10259; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 20:26:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 20:26:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: kim's refreshing insight (was: Ableton LIVE's...) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 20:26:28 -0500 Message-ID: <004801c2e9c8$bd1eab70$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <00aa01c2e9cc$b99057c0$a538fc0c@amd> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A Personal Computer (be it Mac/Win/Lin) is a device with an interface an EDP is also a device with an interface. I am leaning towards control surfaces in conjunction with a PC (leaving out prefered OS's) it just seams sliders and pots make better interface controls for mixing then a mouse does. The software that is out there for recording and now some for looping is amazing but the available graphical intefaces on the PCs is not a real improvement over control surface, but yeah there really needs to be a good standard protocol to transfer data and control messages etc.. Between devices and controls like IP perhaps a better QOS mechanism. -----Original Message----- From: Jesse Ray Lucas [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 8:55 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: kim's refreshing insight (was: Ableton LIVE's...) It all depends on what you grew up on. If you started out with analog 4-tracks, patch cables, and having dedicated hardware for everything, then you might as well stick with that approach and get a DAW. I got into Cakewalk (now Sonar) at version 2.0, when it fit on one 1.44MB floopy disk and before it even did digital audio at all, so I have basically grown up on that software. There is stuff out there that everyone says is better, but for me it's not worth the downtime to re-learn everything. With so many people switching over to using PCs and Macs for recording/composing purposes I don't see hardware as disappearing, but as getting closer and closer to being computers in themselves. The problem now is getting data back and forth between external hardware in as fast and transparent way as you can move it to and from disk on a computer. It would be great if, say, a sampler, would just speak TCP/IP and have a built in FTP server, and a telnet or SSH server with a console interface. Boot it up, connected to the internet or your LAN, and it has its own IP, or will DHCP one. That would be friggin' awesome. No more proprietary mLAN, or Akai.sys bullshit. No more pokey SCSI/MIDI SDMI transfers. USB implementations are okay, but still require proprietary clients which, once the hardware is superceeded by the next version, inevitably are never updated for new computer OS releases. 100Mbps ethernet for everything -- maybe even wireless! Come on, somebody. Move into the 21st century. Make everything UNIX-based and fluent in TCP/IP, a world-wide standard language. Even Macintosh has realized that things are headed this way (OSX is Unix-based). Windows will go there, eventually (Windows NT is based on FreeBSD, I heard), but they will have a nasty, bloated legacy OS for years to come. I'm sure someone on this list knows what I'm talking about with all these acronyms above. For those of you who don't, sorry to bother you. It will happen eventually. Just wait. -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 21:29:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2E2K9d19098; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 21:20:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 21:20:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030314022007.84490.qmail@web11402.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 18:20:07 -0800 (PST) From: "Rich R." Subject: Re: line 6 dl4 mod? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030313.185001.-312099.1.mabnotes@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <24JoGD.A.RqE.ZxTc-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You're looking for the Boss Giga Delay. It's not out yet, I think it's supposed to be out in April or May. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 21:32:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2E2Ohu19507; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 21:24:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 21:24:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 18:26:05 -0800 Subject: Re: line 6 dl4 mod? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200303140135.h2E1Z9m11232@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: <4F07DB40-55C4-11D7-AE78-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The PDS 8000 doesn't have any modulation, it's just an 8-second delay with sample/hold/trigger. The other two knobs are input/output level. The RDS 8000 (the rack-mounted version, all the RDS models actually) had modulation. A few years ago someone (I believe it was Kim) explained two different approaches to looping devices, which (as I recall) were delay versus sampler. I believe this was in response to a request that the EDP be upgraded to include the pitch-shift effects you can get with old-school delays through turning the delay time knob, and the short version of it all seemed to boil down to "sampler-style architecture makes it very difficult to do this while delay-style architecture makes it easy, and the EDP is a sampler-style device" (the Akai Headrush came out around that time and also lacked the feature I think you're hoping for). This is probably an oversimplification on my part, but as far as your DL4-modding desire, I suspect the answer is "No, or not unless you can find someone who can write new software for the DL-4 and burn it into an EPROM". TH On Thursday, March 13, 2003, at 05:35 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > I am new to the list and have a question for anybody out there who > might > be able to help me. I am in love with both the Line 6 DL4 and the > Digitech PDS 8000. Is there anyone who can mod a DL4 to emulate > aspects > of the PDS 8000, i.e. the features of just entering bits of sounds into > a loop and pitch modulation? Or is there a device that does all of > this > that is small and portable? Basically I just want to carry one piece > and be able to do it all. Am I asking too much? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 21:40:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2E2WTs20159; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 21:32:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 21:32:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 23:33:02 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: SV: EDP LoopIV SUSMute question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > A cool thing I found out about using midi volume is that if you are > tweaking the volume level (midi cc 7) while overdubbing, then the volume > changes are getting recorded and will "play back" with the next loop > round. I discovered it back on LOOP3 (have not tried with LOOP4 yet) > when playing with my midi guitar. I could "play" tremolo with the midi > volume knob on the guitar. This way you can imprint your loop with a > rhythmic tremolo pattern that is working together with the actual looped > audio. Way fun! sounds like a nice trick, but I dont believe that it worked like this in Loop3, since cc7 really just controls the HW output volume. Either you used an external FB loop or your MIDI volume regulated somewhere before the sound got to the EDP. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 13 21:41:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2E2XAo20445; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 21:33:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 21:33:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01c101c2e7d6$57d74ae0$a241040a@kevin> References: <01c101c2e7d6$57d74ae0$a241040a@kevin> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 23:33:37 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP ? how to save presets?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Can anyone tell me how to dump/save my presets via midi? >I want to back them up on either my alesis midi disk or I could with >midi Ox . . . I think???? the best way it to get Claude Voits ADA for the Emagics SoundDiver. It allows to watch and change and save all parameters at ease. If you dont have SoundDiver, you can create a similar adaptation for similar programs. If you just want to save the parameters, there is a EDP function which is maybe not documented (I could not find it in the manual :-( ): Go to MIDIUpload ("Load") at MIDI-Next set some MIDI sequencer to record press Insert to send the actual Preset or press Mute to send all Presets when you play back the sequencer, the saved presets are be loaded again -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 02:13:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2E77wf20025; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 02:07:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 02:07:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003d01c2e9f8$2031efe0$f1fd883e@GarethWhittock> From: "Gareth Whittock" To: References: <004801c2e9c8$bd1eab70$0200a8c0@akadev.com> Subject: Re: laptop live Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 07:05:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <8P-Z8D.A.t4E.O_Xc-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I've been using computers live and, (in the last year or so ) a laptop live with no problems. Never had a crash - though of course this is possible - as possible as a hardware malfunction. I use Audiomulch for live looping - 8 channels wouldn't be a problem. I also fire loops under midi control, process sounds with filters, granulators etc. The system works for me. It's fun discvering new VST plugins that I can play with too. The real beauty is that if I need a compressor all I do is add a compressor plugin - no extra weight to lug around. I use a p3 with 512 meg of ram and a motu firewire 828 card. Midi is provided by a zoom 8080 (with 2 pedals and 5 switches) merged with an oxygen8 keyboard. The rig is light and powerful. Just my tuppeth ha'penny worth. Gareth Ps just realised this sounds a bit smug - I'm just really pleased with my set-up. It took me a long time to get here! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 02:14:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2E79l420180; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 02:09:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 02:09:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030314001433.00798420@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 00:14:33 -0700 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Denver Colorado Gig Spam, Sat. March 15 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, Jimmy George's e-mail is down, so he's asked me to post about our lil' show coming up this weekend. It'll be a fun time for all, at Sweet Rockin' Coffee in Denver Colorado, this Saturday, March 15th, starting at 7:30 PM. The bill will be, myself (Cara Quinn), a special guest of Jimmy's, Chris Shelby, and of course, Jimmy George! -and I just might bring along a surprize guest of my own, that not even Jimmy nows about! lol! -We'll see... I'll be doing some looping improvs with the echoplex and space station, and whatever other craziness I'm moved to do! Chris is a celtic punk vocalist, so his set is sure to ROCK! and of course, Jimmy George will be loopin' out with his firy brand of guitar and vocal stylings! woohoo! so come on down and join us this saturday! We'd love to see ya! Sweet Rockin' Coffee is located at 414 E (east) 20th ave. Denver Colorado. Phone: 303-318-9788 -or feel free to e-mail me if ya need more info. -Hope to see ya there!... Smiles, Cara --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 03:29:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2E8LjA26125; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 03:21:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 03:21:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030314012632.009252b0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 01:26:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: line 6 dl4 mod? In-Reply-To: <20030313.185001.-312099.1.mabnotes@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <9RXGY.A.EYG.ZEZc-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Mike, as for entering little bits of souhnd into a loop in the DL-4, you can create a silent loop, and then while the loop is playing, quickly press the record pedal twice to punch in and out in rapid succession, as you play, thereby entering little snippets of audio into your loop. Re: pitch modulation, you can use the pitch mod feature on the delay before the looper, which will sort of give you that effect on whatever it is you're playing at the time, but won't allow you to effect the material in the loop, once it's there. Does that make sense? -Hope this helps... Smiles, Cara At 06:50 PM 3/13/03 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, > >I am new to the list and have a question for anybody out there who might >be able to help me. I am in love with both the Line 6 DL4 and the >Digitech PDS 8000. Is there anyone who can mod a DL4 to emulate aspects >of the PDS 8000, i.e. the features of just entering bits of sounds into a >loop and pitch modulation? Or is there a device that does all of this >that is small and portable? Basically I just want to carry one piece and >be able to do it all. Am I asking too much? > >Thanks, >Mike > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 04:58:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2E9rrn31958; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 04:53:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 04:53:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <1dc.5226f24.2ba300a3@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 04:53:39 EST Subject: Re: Re: kim's refreshing insight (was: Ableton LIVE's...) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been using Cool Edit Pro on the PC for a few years now. Previously I've used tape, and had to edit out clicks in the audio with a razor blade. The capability for editing sound on a PC is almost magical. Transfering old 4-track masters to clean up and mix/master. Or taking a field recording and removing traffic noise, (then accurately re-creating the room ambience that was lost with removing the traffic noise, which was making the room resonate) Taking snippets of sound, and replicating, modifying, stretching into a whole composition. A user interface that allows you to see the waveform of the sound and move blocks of sound around wherever you want, and place them with sample accuracy. ...but then I was forced into this route, needing a pc for work (and live, its realtime hardware all the way) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 06:42:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2EBbEO07564; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 06:37:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 06:37:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030314113705.85989.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 03:37:05 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Dragging instruments... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004a01c2e9af$51b10720$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com With the guitars I > have to change strings every second day if I play > fulltime and that is > almost boring me to death. In fact all musical > instruments demand that > you dedicate an awful lot of time to "customize your > user interface"; > Per you are absolutely right ,Setting up guitars just so they stay tuned is time consuming but consider yourself lucky that you are not a drummer! I was riding the train the other day and all of the suden a gypsy guy started playing a gysy theme and collecting hat contributions, with what sounded like an alto sax. When i turned around to see him i was blown away to see that he was just playing through a piece of round plastic in his mouth! I asked him how he did that and after doing a short demonstration he said that the plastic is a special one,that he posseses and he sold me one for 1 euro.I tried to play the damn thing but its so small i almost swallow it! Well, that said maybe in my next life i just want to be a cow bell player:-) L.a ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 06:46:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2EBfme07776; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 06:41:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 06:41:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030314114141.4382.qmail@web40509.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 03:41:41 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: RE: [Paris Loopfest] Update... Problems... Postponed? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <01a601c2e9ae$25b5adc0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry to hear that but good that you mention it a lesson for us to learn.Say what do you think of DVDs as storing media is it a better option than Removable HDs? L.a --- Jim Palmer wrote: > > > ... > > My life has been a mess over the past few weeks. > To cut it > > short, I've > > suffered 2 hard disk crashes in as many weeks > (Don't ever purchase > > MEMUP firewire HD's). I had backed up all of my > data from the > > ... > > sorry to hear that. > there are places that can recover data from crashed > hard drives. > here is one: > http://www.datasavers.com/ > > we used them a few years ago at my company and they > were able to recover > the data on our hard drive, though they were > expensive. > > there are lots of others... > > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 07:31:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2ECGfG11358; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 07:16:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 07:16:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030314121631.74639.qmail@web40502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 04:16:31 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Portable DAWs vs. PCs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030313005900.02a9d520@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes,and most of theses portable DAWs like the Roland VS series,Yamaha,etc. are integrating decent software to syncronize to your PC.I´ve been doing most of my recording with Sonar and my Aardvark 2496 soundcard which is very nice, but i haven´t yet upgraded my terrible ME o.s.to XP because of the damn drivers,after 2 years the new released ones from Aardvark are still giving people headaches! It would be nice if we could use something like Sonar or Cool Edit with this machines,wouldn´t it? L.a > I don't have the time to research all the options, > > For example, I've now given up on the idea of using > a PC/Mac for recording. > I've been planning to go that route for years, but > the burden of all the > decisions needed to make it happen was too much. I > didn't have time for > figuring it out, so it never happened. My girlfriend > has been frustrated > about this for years, since she is the one who > really likes recording and > had outgrown the 4-tracks, but for her figuring out > the pc requirements was > too intimidating to even start. Instead we just > bought a 16 track > standalone hard disk recorder with a cd-r built in. > (Yamaha AW16G). > Everything is laid out nicely, all the elements we > need are there - mixer, > patchbay, effects, i/o, eq, cdr, hd, loop sampler, > etc. Nicely ergonomic > control surface, good quality audio, easy to use, > etc. No decisions to > make, just learn to use it and go. One credit card > transaction. It does > everything we need and then some, and in the end > probably cost a lot less > than I would have spent on a pc recording system. > We're happy, and she'll > probably begin a recording project here within days. > It probably would have > been years if we kept on the PC path. > > To me, that is the real advantage of a dedicated > device over a general > purpose computer/laptop. How much time and energy > are you going to put into > customizing an interface for that general purpose > device to fit your needs, > before you can do anything with it at all? How much > time are you going to > spend screwing around with it later, fixing > problems, installing updates, > etc? The dedicated device might have you up and > running in minutes. And > after all the effort you put into customizing the > general purpose device > for your needs, how good is it really? A dedicated > device had one or more > knowledgeable people spend a whole bunch of time > figuring out the details > of the interface design, probably with input from > other users. These days I > find I'd much rather take advantage of the interface > design work that > somebody else already did, rather than reinventing > that wheel myself. > > To each his own I guess. Certainly there are people > who love the idea of > building their own musical tools. I think they are > the musician equivalent > of people who build hot rods. Its a lot of fun and a > passion to build your > own car, even if ultimately you hardly ever drive it > except to shows with > other hot rod builders. Most people would prefer to > just have a car that > gets them from A to B..... > > kim > > > === message truncated === ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 07:49:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2EChXl12970; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 07:43:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 07:43:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Portable DAWs vs. PCs Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 07:43:30 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c2ea27$52244cd0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20030314121631.74639.qmail@web40502.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h2EChWM12944 Resent-Message-ID: <04oCMC.A.hKD.15cc-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah your are right about the drivers lagging behind I have an Audiophile 2496 and ran it under XP and 2000. I did find enough performance benefits in XP using audio apps to make it worth the extra effort to bother with and this way you can also avoid the annoying activation schema form M$. I make a living using this stuff and even I find M$ annoying. -----Original Message----- From: Louie Angulo [mailto:laab2000us@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:17 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Portable DAWs vs. PCs Yes,and most of theses portable DAWs like the Roland VS series,Yamaha,etc. are integrating decent software to syncronize to your PC.I´ve been doing most of my recording with Sonar and my Aardvark 2496 soundcard which is very nice, but i haven´t yet upgraded my terrible ME o.s.to XP because of the damn drivers,after 2 years the new released ones from Aardvark are still giving people headaches! It would be nice if we could use something like Sonar or Cool Edit with this machines,wouldn´t it? L.a > I don't have the time to research all the options, > > For example, I've now given up on the idea of using > a PC/Mac for recording. > I've been planning to go that route for years, but > the burden of all the > decisions needed to make it happen was too much. I > didn't have time for > figuring it out, so it never happened. My girlfriend > has been frustrated > about this for years, since she is the one who > really likes recording and > had outgrown the 4-tracks, but for her figuring out > the pc requirements was > too intimidating to even start. Instead we just > bought a 16 track > standalone hard disk recorder with a cd-r built in. > (Yamaha AW16G). > Everything is laid out nicely, all the elements we > need are there - mixer, > patchbay, effects, i/o, eq, cdr, hd, loop sampler, > etc. Nicely ergonomic > control surface, good quality audio, easy to use, > etc. No decisions to > make, just learn to use it and go. One credit card > transaction. It does > everything we need and then some, and in the end > probably cost a lot less > than I would have spent on a pc recording system. > We're happy, and she'll > probably begin a recording project here within days. > It probably would have > been years if we kept on the PC path. > > To me, that is the real advantage of a dedicated > device over a general > purpose computer/laptop. How much time and energy > are you going to put into > customizing an interface for that general purpose > device to fit your needs, > before you can do anything with it at all? How much > time are you going to > spend screwing around with it later, fixing > problems, installing updates, > etc? The dedicated device might have you up and > running in minutes. And > after all the effort you put into customizing the > general purpose device > for your needs, how good is it really? A dedicated > device had one or more > knowledgeable people spend a whole bunch of time > figuring out the details > of the interface design, probably with input from > other users. These days I > find I'd much rather take advantage of the interface > design work that > somebody else already did, rather than reinventing > that wheel myself. > > To each his own I guess. Certainly there are people > who love the idea of > building their own musical tools. I think they are > the musician equivalent > of people who build hot rods. Its a lot of fun and a > passion to build your > own car, even if ultimately you hardly ever drive it > except to shows with > other hot rod builders. Most people would prefer to > just have a car that > gets them from A to B..... > > kim > > > === message truncated === ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 08:23:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2EDJ8717166; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 08:19:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 08:19:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:22:03 +0000 Subject: Re: Ableton LIVE's ability to loop in real time From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7004AAB5-5591-11D7-8F81-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h2EDJ7M17136 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I second this, I use polar and an EDP together. Geoff on 13/3/03 8:21 pm, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > So, I wonder how it is that MOTU's POLAR looper seems to work perfectly > with no audible drift or latency using their 828 Firewire interface. > Could it be because you're synching your loop to a predefined amount of > measures based on your tempo? I also know that POLAR only uses RAM so > that things happen without any disk issues. You can later "print" your > loops to the hard drive and then use them in any way you'd like. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Thursday, March 13, 2003, at 11:53 AM, Kim Flint wrote: > >> At 01:15 PM 3/12/2003, Per Boysen wrote: >>>> Från: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] >>>> there is also control latency in this case. >>> >>> Sure, you're perfectly right about that. But I could stand waiting 7 >>> milliseconds longer if I could bring just a laptop instead of this >>> monster: http://www.boysen.se/pboy_looping_rig.jpg ;-D >> >> Per, you miss my point. Absolute latency is not so much the issue, but >> lack of a guaranteed latency. Maybe control latency is 7ms nine times >> out of ten, but every now and then it happens to be 50 ms, and maybe >> somewhat rarer it is even higher. So if you perfectly tap a 1.00 >> second loop, mostly it is 1.00 seconds, but sometimes it ends up as >> 1.05s, or 0.97s. Once in a while you get 1.20s. It will be somewhat >> random, depending on whether your system happens to be busy doing >> something else at that moment. You can't manage rhythm reliably with >> an os like that. (Judging by my win2k laptop, you might sometimes get >> 3.0 seconds if the disk happens to be spinning up or there is some >> network activity or whatever....) >> >> A hard real-time system will always guarantee that any event will >> happen in a specific amount of time, no matter what else is happening. >> The EDP for example, guarantees 1.5 ms for any switch or midi command >> to be executed, at all times. A general purpose non-realtime os cannot >> do that. >> >>>> Also "any recorded sound won't have to be played back until >>>> the next loop >>>> round" is only true in the most simplistic approach to looping. For >>>> example, what if you tap reverse while you are overdubbing? >>> >>> Ooops.... Good point there! THAT maneuver will always be affected with >>> some "early delay" in software loopers. I love to do this with the EDP >>> and plucked string instruments! >> >> that is just one example. another is handling sync to external >> devices. There are others. All I have to do is think of all the things >> that used to cause clicks in the echoplex during development, and >> that's where you will have trouble in a non-realtime system. >> >> If you look at the latest cars, it is common for PC systems to be >> built in for driver navigation systems and passenger entertainment. >> Windows is perfect for that because there are a lot of existing >> programs ready to go. But I don't think you will find windows running >> the processor that controls your fuel injection or anti-lock brakes! >> True real-time os's are used for those. >> >>>> just recorded needs to be played back immediately or you will >>>> get a pop, >>> >>> Not necessarily. A smoothing fade during that "reverse delay" period >>> can >>> be written into the software. I would have no problems with that. When >>> it comes to reverb it's ok with some "predelay". Apparently software >>> loopers will never be the same thing as hardware loopers. I guess both >>> will have their pros and cons. >> >> Well, good luck with that one. >> >> to me, a more significant issue than these technical points is the >> user interface. Notebook computers are designed for businessmen to >> create power point slides in airports and display them in conference >> rooms. I know, I used to design these things. That's who the customer >> is, and that is who the interface is designed for. There are no >> features tailored for musicians except by coincidence. If you want it >> to be a looper, you need to customize and add a lot of things for you >> to be able to control it and make it work for that purpose. If you >> have that much time and patience on your hands, great, go for it. I >> think most people would rather spend their time using the tool rather >> than creating it. >> >> Personally, I find myself with less and less patience for things where >> I have to create the user interface details for a tool before I can >> use it. I don't have the time to research all the options, try them >> out, and make a decision about what works best for an application. I >> want somebody else to weed out all the bad ideas and present something >> coherent and workable. Preferably they come up with a really intuitive >> interface with nice ergonomics, and I can jump right in, learn how to >> work it, and start using it. Then I can use that tool to do whatever >> it is I want to do, rather then spend all my time creating the tool >> for myself. >> >> For example, I've now given up on the idea of using a PC/Mac for >> recording. I've been planning to go that route for years, but the >> burden of all the decisions needed to make it happen was too much. I >> didn't have time for figuring it out, so it never happened. My >> girlfriend has been frustrated about this for years, since she is the >> one who really likes recording and had outgrown the 4-tracks, but for >> her figuring out the pc requirements was too intimidating to even >> start. Instead we just bought a 16 track standalone hard disk >> recorder with a cd-r built in. (Yamaha AW16G). Everything is laid out >> nicely, all the elements we need are there - mixer, patchbay, effects, >> i/o, eq, cdr, hd, loop sampler, etc. Nicely ergonomic control surface, >> good quality audio, easy to use, etc. No decisions to make, just learn >> to use it and go. One credit card transaction. It does everything we >> need and then some, and in the end probably cost a lot less than I >> would have spent on a pc recording system. We're happy, and she'll >> probably begin a recording project here within days. It probably would >> have been years if we kept on the PC path. >> >> To me, that is the real advantage of a dedicated device over a general >> purpose computer/laptop. How much time and energy are you going to put >> into customizing an interface for that general purpose device to fit >> your needs, before you can do anything with it at all? How much time >> are you going to spend screwing around with it later, fixing problems, >> installing updates, etc? The dedicated device might have you up and >> running in minutes. And after all the effort you put into customizing >> the general purpose device for your needs, how good is it really? A >> dedicated device had one or more knowledgeable people spend a whole >> bunch of time figuring out the details of the interface design, >> probably with input from other users. These days I find I'd much >> rather take advantage of the interface design work that somebody else >> already did, rather than reinventing that wheel myself. >> >> To each his own I guess. Certainly there are people who love the idea >> of building their own musical tools. I think they are the musician >> equivalent of people who build hot rods. Its a lot of fun and a >> passion to build your own car, even if ultimately you hardly ever >> drive it except to shows with other hot rod builders. Most people >> would prefer to just have a car that gets them from A to B..... >> >> kim >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >> kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 09:05:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2EE0Tm22116; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:00:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:00:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030314140023.9059.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 06:00:23 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Dragging instruments... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030314113705.85989.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Louie Angulo wrote: > Well, that said maybe in my next life i just want to > be a cow bell player:-) I hear ya. But if you're like me, soon you'd be experimenting with different pickups on your cowbell, and you'd *still* be processing it through a buncha stuff! -t- (currently building a smaller, more portable pedalboard...) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 09:19:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2EEDHA23358; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:13:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:13:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: laptop live Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:13:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1C7041B8F9E88F4BA1F23A63FC0CDACD7AE634@engin-mail1.engin.umich.edu> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: laptop live Thread-Index: AcLqM9pHpYJD1dbiRGSnzGmGuxgHOQ== From: "Clark, Darcy" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h2EEDHM23331 Resent-Message-ID: <0oJGYB.A.2sF.9Nec-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What plugin handles the live looping part in your rig ? -----Original Message----- From: Gareth Whittock [mailto:gareth@whiteoakstudios.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 2:06 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: laptop live Hi, I've been using computers live and, (in the last year or so ) a laptop live with no problems. Never had a crash - though of course this is possible - as possible as a hardware malfunction. I use Audiomulch for live looping - 8 channels wouldn't be a problem. I also fire loops under midi control, process sounds with filters, granulators etc. The system works for me. It's fun discvering new VST plugins that I can play with too. The real beauty is that if I need a compressor all I do is add a compressor plugin - no extra weight to lug around. I use a p3 with 512 meg of ram and a motu firewire 828 card. Midi is provided by a zoom 8080 (with 2 pedals and 5 switches) merged with an oxygen8 keyboard. The rig is light and powerful. Just my tuppeth ha'penny worth. Gareth Ps just realised this sounds a bit smug - I'm just really pleased with my set-up. It took me a long time to get here! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 09:20:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2EEFGC23566; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:15:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:15:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-11.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1047651233!46599 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FADA3@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] RE: Echoplex sighting Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:05:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2EA32.BC14A850" Resent-Message-ID: <4_1zO.A.FwF.0Pec-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2EA32.BC14A850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I've often been surprised that more DJ's don't loop, I know there have been a few on this list, but it seems pretty rare. The DJ I work with is just getting started with it himself.<< baffling, isn't it? dj's use some crazy stuff- special mixing desks with tiny samplers built in, but I've never seen or heard of a dj who bought, say, a repeater. maybe electrix didn't do the right sort of promotion, but you'd think a dedicated bpm-able looping device /with rca sockets and an riaa pre-amp onboard/, for heaven's sake.... you can lead a horse to water (&c).... I've even toyed with the idea of using my repeaters to do remixes and "party tapes" inna dj-stylee by way of demonstrating this area of their capability but I've never been comfortable with the idea of getting credit of any sort for tampering with someone else's work. it's a dodgy area, morally. dj's get paid for playing/playing with other people's recordings, and then go around acting like rock stars themselves, and that bothers me. I tend to try to figure out how much effort has gone into their work (i.e. have they done anything interesting to the sample or is it just laziness?) before getting judgemental. basically, most of the dj's I know have confused 'having an encyclopedic knowledge of their own record collection' with 'being interesting and creative'- one man's "rare groove" is another man's scratchy old record that he didn't like the first time he heard it. in other words, "learn to play a real instrument, you wanker! then you get to pretend to be a rock star...." but one or two of them do stuff with sequencers/drumboxes and effects that suggest a germ of talent lurking somewhere... duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>I've often been surprised that more DJ's don't lo= op, I know there have been a few on this list, but it seems pretty rare. Th= e DJ I work with is just getting started with it himself.<<


baffling, isn't it? dj's use some crazy stuff- special mi= xing desks with tiny samplers built in, but I've never seen or heard of a d= j who bought, say, a repeater. maybe electrix didn't do the right sort of p= romotion, but you'd think a dedicated bpm-able looping device /with rca soc= kets and an riaa pre-amp onboard/, for heaven's sake....

you can lead a horse to water (&c)....

I've even toyed with the idea of using my repeaters to do= remixes and "party tapes" inna dj-stylee by way of demonstrating= this area of their capability but I've never been comfortable with the ide= a of getting credit of any sort for tampering with someone else's work.

it's a dodgy area, morally. dj's get paid for playing/pla= ying with other people's recordings, and then go around acting like rock st= ars themselves, and that bothers me. I tend to try to figure out how much e= ffort has gone into their work (i.e. have they done anything interesting to= the sample or is it just laziness?) before getting judgemental.

 
basically, most of the dj's I know have confused 'having= an encyclopedic knowledge of their own record collection' with 'being inte= resting and creative'- one man's "rare groove" is another man's s= cratchy old record that he didn't like the first time he heard it. <= /P>

in other words, "learn to play a real instrument, yo= u wanker! then you get to pretend to be a rock star...."
but one or two of them do stuff with sequencers/drumboxe= s and effects that suggest a germ of talent lurking somewhere...

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C2EA32.BC14A850-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 09:45:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2EEeT827016; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:40:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:40:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030314144023.11972.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 06:40:23 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: [looper's] RE: Echoplex sighting To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FADA3@LON-MAIL07> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > I've never seen or heard of a dj who bought, > say, a repeater. maybe electrix didn't do the right > sort of promotion, but you'd think a dedicated > bpm-able looping device /with rca sockets and an > riaa pre-amp onboard/, for heaven's sake.... > you can lead a horse to water (&c).... Wow. I find that really surprising; I had really gotten the idea from Electrix' whole marketing strategy beginning with their pre-repeater line that they were targetting the DJ market more than the, errrm, "people who play musical instruments" market (being careful not to differentiate DJs from 'musicians' and inadvertently open a very old can o' value-judging worms...). Since I really have very little contact with the DJ scene, I had no idea that this wasn't true... -t- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 09:57:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2EErI628444; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:53:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:53:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030314145311.1210.qmail@web80212.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 06:53:11 -0800 (PST) From: Kirkland Mack Subject: RE: Portable DAWs vs. PCs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000601c2ea27$52244cd0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1498090176-1047653591=:388" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1498090176-1047653591=:388 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What the world needs is Linux versions of everything. Microsoft doesn't make software. --0-1498090176-1047653591=:388 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

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--0-1498090176-1047653591=:388-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 10:02:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2EEuvb28884; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:56:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:56:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-11.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1047653279!49944 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FADA4@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Re: kim's refreshing insight Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:39:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2EA37.801F48F0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2EA37.801F48F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I've been using Cool Edit Pro on the PC for a few years now.... Previously I've used tape, and had to edit out clicks in the audio with a razor blade.....<< agreed- I use sonic foundry stuff for editing audio and making cd's, and the sample-accurate editing is a boon. also, being able to redraw damaged waveforms (vinyl clicks &c) with a pen and tablet, and line up crossfades to the nearest sample.... all great, for sure. but I've used several daw devices, basically glorified portastudios with hard drives (roland vs880, korg d1600). somehow it's not such a satisfying experience as laying something to tape. with the latter, one somehow feels that one has captured a performance rather than just trapped some data.... it may just be a sentimental thing, but it deeply affects my creative processes; there's a sense of having committed to a take of something when it's been put on tape and can't be manipulated so easily, and this sense gives one the freedom to move on to the next stage of the composition or recording. with the digital version, I feel that because more manipulation is possible, it's somehow mandatory..... anyone else feel like this? I'm going back to four-rack (revox 274) for writing, though I'll still master to cd and edit in vegas. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2EA37.801F48F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Re: kim's refreshing insight

>>I've been using Cool Edit Pro on the PC for a few= years now.... Previously I've used tape, and had to edit out clicks in the= audio with a razor blade.....<<

agreed- I use sonic foundry stuff for editing audio and m= aking cd's, and the sample-accurate editing is a boon. also, being able to = redraw damaged waveforms (vinyl clicks &c) with a pen and tablet, and l= ine up crossfades to the nearest sample....

all great, for sure.

but I've used several daw devices, basically glorified po= rtastudios with hard drives (roland vs880, korg d1600).
somehow it's not such a satisfying experience as laying = something to tape.
with the latter, one somehow feels that one has captured= a performance rather than just trapped some data.... it may just be a sent= imental thing, but it deeply affects my creative processes; there's a sense= of having committed to a take of something when it's been put on tape and = can't be manipulated so easily, and this sense gives one the freedom to mov= e on to the next stage of the composition or recording. with the digital ve= rsion, I feel that because more manipulation is possible, it's somehow mand= atory.....

anyone else feel like this?
I'm going back to four-rack (revox 274) for writing, tho= ugh I'll still master to cd and edit in vegas.

duncan.




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------_=_NextPart_001_01C2EA37.801F48F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 10:19:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2EFCIQ31954; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:12:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:12:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030314151212.41292.qmail@web40509.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 07:12:12 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Dragging instruments... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030314140023.9059.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes,i see we have something in common!:-)) cu L.a --- Tim Nelson wrote: > --- Louie Angulo wrote: > > Well, that said maybe in my next life i just want > to > > be a cow bell player:-) > > I hear ya. But if you're like me, soon you'd be > experimenting with different pickups on your > cowbell, > and you'd *still* be processing it through a buncha > stuff! > > -t- > > (currently building a smaller, more portable > pedalboard...) > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 12:26:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2EGxuG14985; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:59:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:59:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030314165949.29492.qmail@web40312.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 08:59:49 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: Rack Setup To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030313212150.3002.qmail@web21506.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com one piece that i've been dying to add to my rig, but just haven't gotten around to is an ernie ball volume pedal which i would put post effects, right before the looper. with effects it is always best to send the strongest signal you can to get full rich effect sounds and a volume pedal is great for fades for ambiant sounds and vibes. not sure if you've encountered volume problems post effects, but if you use any filters, they can create extreme effects and a volume pedal really adds the on the fly professional mixing touch to not sned those piercing filters over the air...just a suggestion. peace and bass... ~e va n --- Squid Loop wrote: > Hi All, > > I've been experimenting with my setup for the past > few > weeks trying out different combinations and was > wondering if you guys had any advice for me. > > Currently I am running the following: > > Sans Amp PSA-1 Preamp > Line 6 Echo Pro > Boss VF-1 (effects processor) > EDP > > I plug into the PSA-1 and have the Echo Pro and VF-1 > running through the effects loop of the PSA-1. The > PSA-1 Out is going into the EDP and the out of the > EDP > to my Amp - Fender Blues Deville 4x10 (which I am > selling so if you are in LA and in need of a nice > loud > tuber let me know off the list). > > Any suggestions? > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online > http://webhosting.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 12:38:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2EHEL216440; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:14:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:14:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030314171420.60945.qmail@web21508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:14:20 -0800 (PST) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: Rack Setup To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030314165949.29492.qmail@web40312.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah I swear by my Ernie Ball volume pedal -- --- Evan Meyers wrote: > one piece that i've been dying to add to my rig, but > just haven't gotten around to is an ernie ball > volume > pedal which i would put post effects, right before > the > looper. with effects it is always best to send the > strongest signal you can to get full rich effect > sounds and a volume pedal is great for fades for > ambiant sounds and vibes. not sure if you've > encountered volume problems post effects, but if you > use any filters, they can create extreme effects and > a > volume pedal really adds the on the fly professional > mixing touch to not sned those piercing filters over > the air...just a suggestion. > > peace and bass... > ~e va n > > > --- Squid Loop wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > I've been experimenting with my setup for the past > > few > > weeks trying out different combinations and was > > wondering if you guys had any advice for me. > > > > Currently I am running the following: > > > > Sans Amp PSA-1 Preamp > > Line 6 Echo Pro > > Boss VF-1 (effects processor) > > EDP > > > > I plug into the PSA-1 and have the Echo Pro and > VF-1 > > running through the effects loop of the PSA-1. The > > PSA-1 Out is going into the EDP and the out of the > > EDP > > to my Amp - Fender Blues Deville 4x10 (which I am > > selling so if you are in LA and in need of a nice > > loud > > tuber let me know off the list). > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business > online > > http://webhosting.yahoo.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online > http://webhosting.yahoo.com > ===== SquidLooptentacle_joe@yahoo.comhttp://www.crapehanger.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 13:06:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2EHdLC19294; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:39:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:39:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <040401c2ea1e$5ad59360$65c9f5d1@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <004801c2e9c8$bd1eab70$0200a8c0@akadev.com> <003d01c2e9f8$2031efe0$f1fd883e@GarethWhittock> Subject: Re: laptop live Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:39:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i've been toying with the idea of getting a mac laptop for live use...mainly for beats and what-not...of course, the newest G4 books are way out of my price range. what is the minimum amount of power (ballpark figure) i would need for this? what will end up happening is that i will eventually use the thing for recording and sound production. i've seen the 667mhz G4's on ebay for around a grand. sorry for the wide-open question, but i've been a pc user for years and have never bothered with any sound production on my dell. any generic or specific suggestions are sincerely appreciated. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 13:24:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2EHv6e21770; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:57:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:57:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c2ea52$f840cf50$0100a8c0@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: Subject: pmc10 on ebay Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 18:55:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2515507366&category=2 2669 not me Ill keep my 2 :=) its Alto music stops tomorrow bid is at 249.99 Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 13:28:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2EI3J023635; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:03:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:03:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:03:14 -0500 From: Guywithatele@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rack Setup MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <53BB1ECB.1F41E859.2437D650@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com volume pedals are heavy. real heavy... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 13:46:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2EIPGC25789; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:25:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:25:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:24:08 -0800 From: Patrick Bolan Subject: RE: laptop live In-reply-to: <040401c2ea1e$5ad59360$65c9f5d1@g0wn7> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-to: pbolan@csiconstruction.com Message-id: <000d01c2ea56$e7c0bb50$fc03030a@Patrickbolan2> Organization: CSI Construction MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I routinely use my Dell CPX 650 Mhz PIII to do stereo recordings - right through the line-in port. I use condensor mics through a little behringer mixer for phantom power, then send the signal to the laptop via the RCA tape ports on the mixer. The RCA cables use an adaptor to a 1/8" stereo mini plug - and ta da! Decent sound. For just routine mono recordings, I use a AKG condensor w/ an in-line battery designed for video use. About $30 at Full Compass. This plugs directly into the mic port. With a good piece of DAW (Digital Audio Workstation) software, you can use this for live sound, or studio hookups - one (stereo) track at a time. There are a few adjustments to be made in Windows to make it work in the Sound Properties (level and source selection). Oh, and always do your recording while the laptop is running on the battery. On my Dell, the AC Adaptor makes the audio recording distort something terrible. Patrick sends... -----Original Message----- From: jimfowler [mailto:jimfowler@prodigy.net] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 3:39 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: laptop live i've been toying with the idea of getting a mac laptop for live use...mainly for beats and what-not...of course, the newest G4 books are way out of my price range. what is the minimum amount of power (ballpark figure) i would need for this? what will end up happening is that i will eventually use the thing for recording and sound production. i've seen the 667mhz G4's on ebay for around a grand. sorry for the wide-open question, but i've been a pc user for years and have never bothered with any sound production on my dell. any generic or specific suggestions are sincerely appreciated. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 13:46:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2EIQRk25929; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:26:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:26:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030314182620.57203.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:26:20 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Rack Setup To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030314165949.29492.qmail@web40312.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I too find a volume pedal indispensible; the Ernie Ball is like the Cadillac of 'em, but I've also used DeArmond, Boss FV-50's, a slew of Bespeco's which are great for the price (basically the same as the Boss for a lot less $), and right now I'm really enjoying a Dunlop Mister CryBaby that I got to kill both volume and wah birds with the same stone. Depending on the situation, I use as many as five volume pedals in my setup, including the one between a mic pre and the board that controls a Shure SM-57 for when I want to introduce flutes/vocals into a loop*... As far as its position in the effect chain, though, I prefer to put it *between* gain or modulation effects and time-based ones; ie. after most pedals, but *before* delays and reverbs, thus controlling input but not cutting off the 'tails'... -t- * a digression re looped vocals: the other day I picked up a cheap set of walkie-talkies ($5.74 at WalMart) and have been experimenting with holding one of them (the receiving unit) over a guitar pickup (thus on through effects/loopers) whilst, um, 'vocalizing' into the other one. Much fun. --- Evan Meyers wrote: > volume pedal which i would put post effects,right > before the looper __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 14:00:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2EIakp27335; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:36:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:36:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:41:39 -0500 Subject: Re: laptop live Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: bruce tovsky To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <040401c2ea1e$5ad59360$65c9f5d1@g0wn7> Message-Id: <97E87D7A-564C-11D7-9B00-0003934507D6@skeletonhome.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: <_-sxqD.A._qG.-Eic-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jim i use a 667 g4 tibook as my main machine. more than enough power. at a grand it's a steal - i paid over 3 grand for mine new! 8-( i run cubase sx, reaktor, absynth, pro tools, etc. - both os9 & osx - and it's great. feel free to email me directly if you have any other questions. bruce On Friday, March 14, 2003, at 06:39 AM, jimfowler wrote: > i've been toying with the idea of getting a mac laptop for live > use...mainly > for beats and what-not...of course, the newest G4 books are way out of > my > price range. what is the minimum amount of power (ballpark figure) i > would > need for this? > > what will end up happening is that i will eventually use the thing for > recording and sound production. i've seen the 667mhz G4's on ebay for > around a grand. > > sorry for the wide-open question, but i've been a pc user for years > and have > never bothered with any sound production on my dell. any generic or > specific suggestions are sincerely appreciated. > > -jim > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 14:21:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2EIts029734; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:55:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:55:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E72257F.39663F42@mhorse.com> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:54:55 -0800 From: Daryl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] OT: volume pedals References: <20030314182620.57203.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use three Ernie Balls - they doubled the weight of my floorboard case!...one for controlling the feedback loop in my four-track/delay setup, one for the final mix of loops into my amp, and one for controlling the reverb on my '66 Princeton. I put them directly next to each other (I use right-angle plugs) so I can control two things at once, fun for doing reverb swells at the same time as increasing a big delay wash. For you wah fans, I heard that Stevie Ray Vaughan sometimes taped a piece of rack-mount between two wahs. That way he could click down on the center, turn them both on, then set one to a fixed frequency (check Joe Satriani) and play with the other, with some manic results. no more guitar hero mentions, I promise... Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 14:25:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2EJ3uv32010; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:03:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:03:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030314104411.04a34e70@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:03:35 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: [looper's] RE: Echoplex sighting In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FADA3@LON-MAIL07> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:05 AM 3/14/2003, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >>I've often been surprised that more DJ's don't loop, I know there have > been a few on this list, but it seems pretty rare. The DJ I work with is > just getting started with it himself.<< > >baffling, isn't it? dj's use some crazy stuff- special mixing desks with >tiny samplers built in, but I've never seen or heard of a dj who bought, >say, a repeater. maybe electrix didn't do the right sort of promotion, but >you'd think a dedicated bpm-able looping device /with rca sockets and an >riaa pre-amp onboard/, for heaven's sake.... huh? that's exactly who Electrix designed the repeater for and marketed it to! I think they were more surprised than anybody that non-dj/dance producers were even interested in it. Richie Hawtin was one of their biggest endorsers for it! Their whole product line was targeted that way. They even discussed this when IVL closed up Electrix, how they had thought the DJ/dance market was the next big thing for audio gear, but it didn't do nearly as well as they expected. So they went into karaoke instead. btw, there have been dj mixers with loop samplers built into them for years. There are some now with the kaoss pads built into them as well. The CD based dj stuff has more features for setting loop points on the fly and such. However, when I talked to some of the manufacturers about adding more sophisticated features, I got a funny reaction that was very similar to the reaction from guitar companies: "dj's are too dumb to understand these things". haha, maybe dj's and guitarists have more in common than they want to believe. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 14:30:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2EJ7na32395; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:07:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:07:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Volume pedals (was Re: Rack Setup) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:08:43 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 03/14/2003 02:08:50 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm another user of multiple volume pedals, all in stereo, including one Ernie Ball, and at least two each of Boss and Proel (same as Bespeco?---the VP15, and it's the best buy I've found; $30 at AMS). I've also had but dumped a couple of Rolls versions. I, too, place these just before the input to processors, so they don't cut off the processing. The problem with all of 'em except the Ernie is that they don't go to fully silent when heel down...there's always a little bleed. Worst offender was the Rolls. This is usually not a big deal on a parallel effect like a reverb, etc., but I sprang for the Ernie in front of my main looping delay, in order to keep the loop really silent when that's what I want. It's the only one that really works as you'd expect! David Tim Nelson cc: Subject: Re: Rack Setup 03/14/2003 01:26 PM Please respond to Loopers-Deligh t I too find a volume pedal indispensible; the Ernie Ball is like the Cadillac of 'em, but I've also used DeArmond, Boss FV-50's, a slew of Bespeco's which are great for the price (basically the same as the Boss for a lot less $), and right now I'm really enjoying a Dunlop Mister CryBaby that I got to kill both volume and wah birds with the same stone. Depending on the situation, I use as many as five volume pedals in my setup, including the one between a mic pre and the board that controls a Shure SM-57 for when I want to introduce flutes/vocals into a loop*... As far as its position in the effect chain, though, I prefer to put it *between* gain or modulation effects and time-based ones; ie. after most pedals, but *before* delays and reverbs, thus controlling input but not cutting off the 'tails'... -t- * a digression re looped vocals: the other day I picked up a cheap set of walkie-talkies ($5.74 at WalMart) and have been experimenting with holding one of them (the receiving unit) over a guitar pickup (thus on through effects/loopers) whilst, um, 'vocalizing' into the other one. Much fun. --- Evan Meyers wrote: > volume pedal which i would put post effects,right > before the looper __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 14:36:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2EJ7as32334; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:07:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:07:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030314110430.045b9ea0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:07:35 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: laptop live In-Reply-To: <003d01c2e9f8$2031efe0$f1fd883e@GarethWhittock> References: <004801c2e9c8$bd1eab70$0200a8c0@akadev.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <-U9BXC.A.F5H.4hic-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So what looping functions can you do with this setup? (note that's looping functions, not sound processing functions....) How much of the looping functions require tight rhythmic interaction? kim At 11:05 PM 3/13/2003, Gareth Whittock wrote: >Hi, >I've been using computers live and, (in the last year or so ) a laptop live >with no problems. >Never had a crash - though of course this is possible - as possible as a >hardware malfunction. >I use Audiomulch for live looping - 8 channels wouldn't be a problem. I also >fire loops under midi control, process sounds with filters, granulators etc. >The system works for me. It's fun discvering new VST plugins that I can play >with too. The real beauty is that if I need a compressor all I do is add a >compressor plugin - no extra weight to lug around. >I use a p3 with 512 meg of ram and a motu firewire 828 card. Midi is >provided by a zoom 8080 (with 2 pedals and 5 switches) merged with an >oxygen8 keyboard. The rig is light and powerful. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 14:39:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2EJHGf00924; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:17:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:17:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030314111243.03ee3df0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:17:14 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: laptop live In-Reply-To: <040401c2ea1e$5ad59360$65c9f5d1@g0wn7> References: <004801c2e9c8$bd1eab70$0200a8c0@akadev.com> <003d01c2e9f8$2031efe0$f1fd883e@GarethWhittock> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:39 AM 3/14/2003, jimfowler wrote: >i've been toying with the idea of getting a mac laptop for live use...mainly >for beats and what-not...of course, the newest G4 books are way out of my >price range. what is the minimum amount of power (ballpark figure) i would >need for this? yeah, I'd like to get one of those fancy TiBooks too. Especially one already configured with a lot of great audio software. Next time one of you live laptoppers is playing with your very expensive, very portable, easily concealable laptop in a dimly lit, noisy, crowded bar/nightclub (preferably with exits near the stage), please let me know. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 15:11:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2EJnfP05024; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:49:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:49:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: pmc10 on ebay Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:47:45 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <003401c2ea52$f840cf50$0100a8c0@black> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm with Claude--but if I didn't have uh, at least one I'd pay this price for one in a heartbeat--nothing else has as much power--and with Raymond, Sean Echevarria's *free* editor, you can program it without the unit! Go get it, kids! Gary -----Original Message----- From: Claude Voit [mailto:c.voit@vtx.ch] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 9:56 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: pmc10 on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2515507366&category=2 2669 not me Ill keep my 2 :=) its Alto music stops tomorrow bid is at 249.99 Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 15:11:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2EJmua04935; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:48:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:48:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FADA3@LON-MAIL07> References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FADA3@LON-MAIL07> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:48:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: [looper's] RE: Echoplex sighting Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: -8.2 () IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.29 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >>I've often been surprised that more DJ's don't loop, I know there >have been a few on this list, but it seems pretty rare. The DJ I >work with is just getting started with it himself.<< > > >baffling, isn't it? dj's use some crazy stuff- special mixing desks >with tiny samplers built in, but I've never seen or heard of a dj >who bought, say, a repeater. maybe electrix didn't do the right sort >of promotion, but you'd think a dedicated bpm-able looping device >/with rca sockets and an riaa pre-amp onboard/, for heaven's sake.... > >you can lead a horse to water (&c).... The DJ that I work with, when he got his MoFX, was so pleased to finally find a piece of gear that was easy to interface with a DJ setup. I think that's part of the problem, most pro-audio gear is difficult to fit into a DJ setup. I know he searched for ages to find a DJ mixer with effects sends, I believe he had to modify his finally. Also, there's the issue of most pro-audio gear not having rca ins/outs. And, most rack gear doesn't fit well into DJ coffins, most mixers are less than 19" wide. > >I've even toyed with the idea of using my repeaters to do remixes >and "party tapes" inna dj-stylee by way of demonstrating this area >of their capability but I've never been comfortable with the idea of >getting credit of any sort for tampering with someone else's work. > >it's a dodgy area, morally. dj's get paid for playing/playing with >other people's recordings, and then go around acting like rock stars >themselves, and that bothers me. I tend to try to figure out how >much effort has gone into their work (i.e. have they done anything >interesting to the sample or is it just laziness?) before getting >judgemental. > > >basically, most of the dj's I know have confused 'having an >encyclopedic knowledge of their own record collection' with 'being >interesting and creative'- one man's "rare groove" is another man's >scratchy old record that he didn't like the first time he heard it. > >in other words, "learn to play a real instrument, you wanker! then >you get to pretend to be a rock star...." >but one or two of them do stuff with sequencers/drumboxes and >effects that suggest a germ of talent lurking somewhere... This debate has surfaced many times before on the list. My personal feeling is that it's ok as long as the dj is doing something creative and putting his own personal stamp on the material he uses. It doesn't take a lot of skill to, for example, play guitar in a bad rock band and act like a rock star. Just like any music scene, the dj world has the whole spectrum from big ego/no talent to no ego/big talent (and including big ego/big talent). I feel really lucky to have a long-term working relationship with a very creative dj, one who's constantly working to improve his skills, and dare I use the word, musicianship. It probably won't change your mind, but check out "Scratch". there's some really cool stuff on the DVD. Also, there's a DVD of Herbie Hancock's recent "Future 2 Future" tour, featuring DJ Disk as part of a really kick-ass band, incredible playing by everyone involved. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 16:11:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2EKlas12724; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 15:47:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 15:47:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 15:47:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200303141547.AA300679324@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "Loopers Delight List" Subject: Seattle: Tonight: JEFF GREINKE FAREWELL SHOW & PARTY X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lots of looping tonight in Seattle... ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Polestar Music Gallery Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 02:19:40 -0800 Please join us tonight to enjoy and bid farewell to musician and >sound sculptor Jeff Greinke, in a reunion performance with his >long-time partner Rob Angus. Greinke, an internationally recognized >electronic music artist who has long been based in Seattle, will >depart for the Southwest before this summer. Tonight's Polestar show >will be his last in Seattle, so we'll throw a post-performance party >to give everyone a chance to wish him well. Hope to see you there. > >... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... > >Friday, March 14, 8 PM, $6, All Ages > >Jeff Greinke & Rob Angus (Seattle) >a Reunion & Farewell Performance > >As a tribute to the adventurous spirit of Polestar, composer and >sound sculptor Jeff Greinke (LAND) returns to his roots for a dynamic >evening of improvised music with long-time collaborator Rob Angus. >This will be their first performance together in ten years. Known for >their unique, entertaining, and sometimes wild performances, Greinke >will feed Angus a plethora of acoustic and electronic sounds using >trombone, voice, percussion, guitar, synthesizers, and sampler. With >a bank of looping devices and a variety of processing gear, Angus >will manipulate Greinke's sounds. Together they will create >multilayered music rich in texture, mood, and subtle detail, >conjuring strange and beautiful places. Their shows are an aural and >visual treat. > >... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... > >Polestar Music Gallery >Peggy Sartoris-Belaqua & Henry Hughes >1412 - 18th Avenue (at East Union) >Seattle, Washington 98122 USA >(206) 329-4224 > >On the web: http://www.polestarmusic.org > >ABOUT POLESTAR... >Dedicated to presenting adventurous and experimental musics in a >simple recital hall setting, Polestar Music Gallery is a small, >volunteer-run, not-for-profit concert venue in a renovated storefront >in Seattle's Central District, just east of the Capitol Hill >neighborhood. All ages, no alcohol, no café. We present contemporary >composition, electro-acoustic and electronic music, free >improvisation, installations, noise, out jazz, sound art, and more. >The great majority of admissions at the door go to the performing >musicians, the rest toward keeping that door open. Polestar was >launched May 15-19, 2002, with performers from Germany, Chicago, >Colorado, California, and the Seattle area. > >... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... > >PERFORMER BIOS > >Jeff Greinke is a musician, composer, performer, sound sculptor, and >visual artist who is known worldwide for his unique sound. Through a >highly developed process of layering, Jeff composes and performs >music rich in texture, depth, mood, and subtle detail. Using various >acoustic and electronic instruments, found sounds, and extended >studio techniques, he sculpts sound worlds that conjure a strong >sense of place, hovering somewhere between the exotic and the >familiar. > >Jeff began composing and performing music in 1980 while studying >meteorology at Pennsylvania State University. After moving to >Seattle in 1982, Jeff formed the production company and recording >label INTREPID, through which he produced his first LP, Cities in >Fog. He has since released over twenty other recordings on various >U.S. and European labels. His most recent is Wide View, released >August 2002 on Hypnos. Jeff's music can also be heard on numerous >compilation recordings. He has composed music for film, video, >dance, theatre, radio, and art installations. Jeff has toured >extensively throughout the United States and Europe and has performed >in China, Canada, and Mexico. He has also been a member of numerous >ensembles and is founder of the group LAND. Jeff's current ongoing >project is a collaboration with former Sky Cries Mary vocalist Anisa >Romero called Hana. In April 2001 they released their second album >entitled Omen. > >Rob Angus has been working in sound and video production since 1982, >and composing and performing since 1975. He received his Bachelor of >Arts degree in Fine Arts from Pennsylvania State University in 1980, >having studied music composition and theory, electronic music, film, >sculpture, theatre, and a basic liberal arts curriculum. During his >residence in Seattle from 1982 to 1991, he performed frequently in a >variety of contexts, from duos and trios to bands, performance pieces >and dance pieces, in galleries, museums, festivals and clubs, from >San Francisco to Vancouver, Canada. > >Angus's professional experience include commissions to do sound >installations, compose soundtracks for radio and television >commercials, compose scores for dance pieces and videos, work as >production assistant at Frank Video and sound production at Muzak. He >also works as a photographer. He is primarily interested in abstract >form, texture and color. He frequently processes his images on photo >copy machines to enhance contrast, play with form and overlay images, >and he has also found ways to use these enhanced images in >three-dimensional sculptures. > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- New From Unit Circle: Intonarumori - "Material" http://www.unitcircle.com/rekkids/releases/tUC075/ -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 16:13:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2EKn8u12915; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 15:49:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 15:49:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1047674946.3e724042db2d6@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 15:49:06 -0500 From: erwill@suitandtieguy.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: laptop live References: <004801c2e9c8$bd1eab70$0200a8c0@akadev.com> <003d01c2e9f8$2031efe0$f1fd883e@GarethWhittock> <040401c2ea1e$5ad59360$65c9f5d1@g0wn7> In-Reply-To: <040401c2ea1e$5ad59360$65c9f5d1@g0wn7> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.177.160 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting jimfowler : > i've been toying with the idea of getting a mac laptop for live > use...mainly > for beats and what-not...of course, the newest G4 books are way out of my > price range. what is the minimum amount of power (ballpark figure) i would > need for this? the heart of my electronic music rig is a Powerbook G3/500 running OS 10 and the Numerology sequencer (www.five12.com). it's plenty capable with clock cycles to spare. $500 laptop + $50 sequencer = affordable, depending on what you're going to be controlling with the sequencer. Jim uses Simple Synth alot, it's just the quicktime software GM synth with the Roland sample set in it. i find it musically useful too, but have more fun with my hardware synths. but if you're just looking for something to make crazy beats with you should check Numerology out. it's the supremest MIDI sequencer for crazy drum patterns. ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 16:42:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2ELEdR16964; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:14:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:14:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:14:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200303141614.AA660406500@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: RE: Re: kim's refreshing insight X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm sort of in this camp as well. I think it is at least partially due to the fact that I learned recording on multitrack reel to reels and then moved to cassette porta studios. I have a harder time tracking into the computer. (Partially because I still don't trust software DAWs, I guess) I do all my editing on the computer though, and I've gotten a lot more comfortable mixing in the computer as well (partially because I do mostly longer material, so blowing a fader move means a lot of time lost). My process now is recording live tracks to ADAT sync'd with Cubase SX or my MPC for Midi sequences and then dumping all the tracks into Cool Edit for editing and mixdown... I still do most of my effects with my outboard gear which I know and understand better than their plug-in counterparts, also I think it sounds better, even with the extra D/A A/D D/A A/D conversions... Kevin ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:39:21 -0000 >>>I've been using Cool Edit Pro on the PC for a few years now.... Previously I've used tape, and had to edit out clicks in the audio with a razor blade.....<< > >agreed- I use sonic foundry stuff for editing audio and making cd's, and the sample-accurate editing is a boon. also, being able to redraw damaged waveforms (vinyl clicks &c) with a pen and tablet, and line up crossfades to the nearest sample.... >all great, for sure. > >but I've used several daw devices, basically glorified portastudios with hard drives (roland vs880, korg d1600). >somehow it's not such a satisfying experience as laying something to tape. >with the latter, one somehow feels that one has captured a performance rather than just trapped some data.... it may just be a sentimental thing, but it deeply affects my creative processes; there's a sense of having committed to a take of something when it's been put on tape and can't be manipulated so easily, and this sense gives one the freedom to move on to the next stage of the composition or recording. with the digital version, I feel that because more manipulation is possible, it's somehow mandatory..... > >anyone else feel like this? >I'm going back to four-rack (revox 274) for writing, though I'll still master to cd and edit in vegas. > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- New From Unit Circle: Intonarumori - "Material" http://www.unitcircle.com/rekkids/releases/tUC075/ -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 17:14:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2ELlww20392; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:47:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:47:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:47:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200303141647.AA666960100@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Volume pedals (was Re: Rack Setup) X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got two ernie ball volume pedals and I love them, but my older mono one has started crackling a bit through the ouput when I'm moving it, and now when it's at the bottom, it is allowing some bleed unless I stand on it. I'm guess that the second part is due to the string/spring getting stretched? Not sure about the first part. Anyone seen this before or know how I can fix it? Kevin -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- New From Unit Circle: Intonarumori - "Material" http://www.unitcircle.com/rekkids/releases/tUC075/ -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 17:17:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2ELrf220990; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:53:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:53:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004301c2ea7c$892039b0$a538fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <004801c2e9c8$bd1eab70$0200a8c0@akadev.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030314110430.045b9ea0@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: laptop live Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:53:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gareth- What I want to know is how low is your latency with AudioMulch, and what hardware are you using? I downloaded and installed AudioMulch yesterday and I can't get less than 11ms latency. I need sub-5ms latency to use AudioMulch live with the kind of rhythmicly intense stuff I'm doing. I am on a 1.7Ghz desktop PC, with an Aardvark Q10 interface. The idea of having an effects processor that can do the kinds of things AudioMulch can do, like the granularizing delay, etc., with all the parameters controllable by MIDI, and the number of effects per channel limited only by processor power is awesome. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 11:07 AM Subject: Re: laptop live > So what looping functions can you do with this setup? (note that's looping > functions, not sound processing functions....) > > How much of the looping functions require tight rhythmic interaction? > > kim > > At 11:05 PM 3/13/2003, Gareth Whittock wrote: > >Hi, > >I've been using computers live and, (in the last year or so ) a laptop live > >with no problems. > >Never had a crash - though of course this is possible - as possible as a > >hardware malfunction. > >I use Audiomulch for live looping - 8 channels wouldn't be a problem. I also > >fire loops under midi control, process sounds with filters, granulators etc. > >The system works for me. It's fun discvering new VST plugins that I can play > >with too. The real beauty is that if I need a compressor all I do is add a > >compressor plugin - no extra weight to lug around. > >I use a p3 with 512 meg of ram and a motu firewire 828 card. Midi is > >provided by a zoom 8080 (with 2 pedals and 5 switches) merged with an > >oxygen8 keyboard. The rig is light and powerful. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 17:58:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2EMTBO24909; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:29:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:29:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:28:48 EST Subject: Zoom sample track st224 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <3Dq24D.A.EFG.3elc-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Question for sample track users: I just got the st224 but it did not come with a smart media card. I tried several of the cards I have and even tried a new unformatted 32 mb card but all I get is "NO Card"response. So apparently it will only accept a 4mb card that no one makes anymore? Unless someone can suggest a good source for SM04 cards this puppy is getting drop-kicked back to the distributor. Maximum crappola deluxe. thanks BobC The Thumb Piano Project www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 18:01:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2EMajd25609; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:36:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:36:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e201c2ea79$fe964ac0$8c63f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200303141738.h2EHc1F18908@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Dragging Instruments Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:27:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Personally, I don't see the big deal about dragging instruments around. All my life I've wanted to play the sounds in my head and now I finally can do it. I do this because I want to, not because the pay is good or the schlepp light. I know that I'm a pain in the ass for anyone who tours with me (longer set up and breakdown times), but personally, I love taking a lot of 'options' to a gig with me. The only caveat is that it all must fit in my Saturn (which has a surprising amount of space in it (I can take a portable p.a., mixer, small drumkit, basses, guitars, keyboards and a zillion small 'found objects and just barely fit in myself.........LOL In the case of electronics, however, if you can accomplish the same things with software that you can with hardware (and that seems problematic after this last discussion (Ableton's live thread) I say more power to you. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 18:03:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2EMbuA25800; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:37:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:37:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e301c2ea7a$28c983c0$8c63f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200303141738.h2EHc1F18908@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: kim's refreshing insight Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:36:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I hear a lot of what Kim is saying (and eloquently put, btw). The only mitigating factor for me is that the music I can create in 20 minutes by using Fruity Loops Pro (as a drum machine and crude midi sequencer), Tu2 (loop mangler supreme), Kantos (audio triggered synth from Antares that is awesome), ACID (where I put it all together) and Sound Forge (with a zillion mangling plugins) is just astonishing. I can create sophisticated tracks and pieces that would have taken hours or days to create (if at all) 10 years ago in my life. My understanding (and it is probably naive) is that you basicaly go A-D, run it through software and then D-A and that this simple model rules all digital processing. Of course if you are trying to do e-mail and edit simultaneously (and I lost a mastering exercise the other day because my pesky 56k modem disconnected.....;-) you can't expect for the machine to run properly, but in these days of 3 ghz Pentium 4s (and whatever they are up to on the Mac side), the processing power is screaming. Like every instrument, the computer has it's drawbacks and limitations but, I have to say, for pound for pound sheer creative potential it is the most incredible instrument that I've ever played in my whole life (and I've played quite a few). If some people like DAWs.........that's great If some people think there is more JuJu in Analogue tape.............groovy. Truly, it's all good. I just promised myself I would never buy a closed architecture computer instrument again in my life.............it's what, frankly, scares me about purchasing a laptop (whose CPUs tend to be soldered onto their respective boards making them impossible to upgrade). There, I said it..............lol rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 18:14:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2EMoDV27116; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:50:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:50:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:52:18 -0800 Subject: Guitar amp w/ stereo line level fx loop for sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <9C034A5E-566F-11D7-85A2-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As part of my spring cleaning, I'm letting my Johnson JT50 go. It's the perfect amp for someone who's using a Repeater as it has it's own stereo line level effects loop. It's not "real tube" but a bunch of the amps are pretty damn close. I especially like the AC30 model. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2516083835 Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 18:21:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2EMtLr27554; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:55:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:55:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:57:28 -0800 Subject: Re: laptop live Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030314111243.03ee3df0@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: <549AEA32-5670-11D7-85A2-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Damn, if you're looking for a cheap sequencer, get yourself an SE30 for $5 and a copy of Metro 3! If that's too retro for you, I'm sure you could do a lot with a iBook or an older G3 laptop used. Some of the older G3 laptops had decent audio on board. Mark On Friday, March 14, 2003, at 11:17 AM, Kim Flint wrote: > At 03:39 AM 3/14/2003, jimfowler wrote: >> i've been toying with the idea of getting a mac laptop for live >> use...mainly >> for beats and what-not...of course, the newest G4 books are way out >> of my >> price range. what is the minimum amount of power (ballpark figure) i >> would >> need for this? > > yeah, I'd like to get one of those fancy TiBooks too. Especially one > already configured with a lot of great audio software. Next time one > of you live laptoppers is playing with your very expensive, very > portable, easily concealable laptop in a dimly lit, noisy, crowded > bar/nightclub (preferably with exits near the stage), please let me > know. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 18:43:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2ENcFA00997; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 18:38:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 18:38:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Zoom sample track st224 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 18:38:05 -0500 Message-ID: <000201c2ea82$c397f8c0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am using mine with a 32MB card I think you might need to format it first. There no quick way for me to describe the process I only did it once and would need to look it up in the manual myself, so I will let you do that yourself rather then me read it and write it out in email and possibly mistype the instructions. -----Original Message----- From: Aptrev@aol.com [mailto:Aptrev@aol.com] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 5:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Zoom sample track st224 Question for sample track users: I just got the st224 but it did not come with a smart media card. I tried several of the cards I have and even tried a new unformatted 32 mb card but all I get is "NO Card"response. So apparently it will only accept a 4mb card that no one makes anymore? Unless someone can suggest a good source for SM04 cards this puppy is getting drop-kicked back to the distributor. Maximum crappola deluxe. thanks BobC The Thumb Piano Project www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 19:01:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2ENt7g02495; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 18:55:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 18:55:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <114.2059d22b.2ba3c5d3@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 18:54:59 EST Subject: Re: Zoom sample track st224 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 3/14/03 3:38:53 PM, alan@akroeger.com writes: << a 32MB card I think you might need to format it first. >> The display reads: "No Card". The card is unrecognized so there is no way to format it. I understand that 16mb cards can work but the smallest I've seen round here these days is 32mb. BobC The Thumb Piano Project www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 19:08:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2F02B504366; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 19:02:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 19:02:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:01:17 -0800 Subject: Re: Dragging Instruments From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00e201c2ea79$fe964ac0$8c63f93f@global> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3drIaD.A.EEB.C2mc-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Personally, I don't see the big deal about dragging > instruments around. > > All my life I've wanted to play the sounds in my head and > now I finally can do it. I do this because I want to, not because the > pay is good or the schlepp light. > Rick Walker > > i hear ya bro- i work w/ the band ,i am the main schlepper and if anyone has seen their stage set-up its a huge buncha stuff-a veritable guitar/music store. and its just bass,guitar and drums... anyway the point is whatever it takes for you to"bring it!" ya gotta make the sacrifice. if there is anywhere to scrimp it shouldnt be w/ the equipment that makes the music. thats my/their belief anyway. goinloopee stanitarium From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 19:33:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2F0RXA06681; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 19:27:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 19:27:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003301c2ea89$a3a7d6a0$0100a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <200303141738.h2EHc1F18908@hemlock.violacea.com> <00e301c2ea7a$28c983c0$8c63f93f@global> Subject: Re: kim's refreshing insight Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 00:27:17 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <3d9Bd.A.RoB.1Nnc-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 22:36:PM Subject: kim's refreshing insight > > I hear a lot of what Kim is saying (and eloquently put, btw). > > The only mitigating factor for me is that > the music I can create in 20 minutes by using > Fruity Loops Pro (as a drum machine and crude midi sequencer), > Tu2 (loop mangler supreme), Kantos (audio triggered synth from > Antares that is awesome), ACID (where I put it all together) > and Sound Forge (with a zillion mangling plugins) > is just astonishing. > > I can create sophisticated tracks and pieces that would have > taken hours or days to create (if at all) 10 years ago in my > life. > > My understanding (and it is probably naive) is that > you basicaly go A-D, run it through software and then D-A > and that this simple model rules all digital processing. > > Of course if you are trying to do e-mail and edit simultaneously > (and I lost a mastering exercise the other day because my pesky > 56k modem disconnected.....;-) you can't expect for the machine to > run properly, but in these days of 3 ghz Pentium 4s (and whatever they > are up to on the Mac side), the processing power is screaming. > > Like every instrument, the computer has it's drawbacks and limitations > but, I have to say, for pound for pound sheer creative potential it is > the most incredible instrument that I've ever played in my whole life > (and I've played quite a few). > > If some people like DAWs.........that's great > If some people think there is more JuJu in Analogue tape.............groovy. > Truly, it's all good. > > I just promised myself I would never buy a closed architecture computer > instrument > again in my life.............it's what, frankly, scares me about purchasing > a laptop > (whose CPUs tend to be soldered onto their respective boards making them > impossible to upgrade). > > There, I said it..............lol Yes indeedy! Laptops are a scary investment especially considering that fact! However I understand this even is changing. Generic laptop parts are available via a few firms in the UK, therefore this must have been the case in the US for some time now. I would wager that one could make a generic laptop for about $500, and the major cost would be the screen. However, I put THIS to you: Why a laptop? Why not one of those keyboard-as-PC kits, with a flat screen monitor? It might be fairly cheap to slap one of those together as well, and have a reliable unit at that. Those of you in the US who've bought hardware lately would know. Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and Illustrations! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 19:59:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2F0rl109558; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 19:53:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 19:53:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Zoom sample track st224 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 19:53:44 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c2ea8d$552a9ea0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <114.2059d22b.2ba3c5d3@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h2F0rkM09534 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You no what I was wrong I did get mine with a card an SM04 and what I formated was the SM04 and mine does not read the 32MB card either, I just tried a 32MB and a 64MB card no dice. Sorry, I just forgot which of several cards I own was being used and it was the SM04. That's interesting its not actually spelled out in the manual that this limitation exist. Once again sorry I was wrong -doh! -----Original Message----- From: Aptrev@aol.com [mailto:Aptrev@aol.com] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 6:55 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Zoom sample track st224 In a message dated 3/14/03 3:38:53 PM, alan@akroeger.com writes: << a 32MB card I think you might need to format it first. >> The display reads: "No Card". The card is unrecognized so there is no way to format it. I understand that 16mb cards can work but the smallest I've seen round here these days is 32mb. BobC The Thumb Piano Project www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 20:05:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2F0xJi11350; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 19:59:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 19:59:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: cranked tube amp in looping setup? From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <18t2Ns-1AzvxwC@fwd07.sul.t-online.com> References: <18t2Ns-1AzvxwC@fwd07.sul.t-online.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 14 Mar 2003 19:02:55 -0500 Message-Id: <1047686577.2916.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: <-yVxjB.A.OxC.nrnc-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 04:18, Andreas Willers wrote: > > Greg House wrote: > > Well I'm not a huge fan of the THD amps. Something about the one I played > > through sounded stiff or harsh to me. Anyway for what I intedn to use it > > for, if it has a preamp, it would HAVE to have an fx loop. What I'd be > > using it for is running a standalone preamp into. There are lots of > > standalone preamps and standalone power amps, and there lots of guys who > > like power amp saturation, so why aren't there any standalone power amps > > designed to give "vintage" sound and pleasing overdrive? Actually my > > biggest dilemma of all is how to use rackmount FX with a cranked, low watt, > > vintage style amp. For example, lets say I want to use a Dr. Z Rt. 66 with > > an EDP, how the hell can I? That's not even so tricky. What about this: the > > Rt. 66 through something like the Sherman Filter Bank, or a Pitch Shifter, > > where being able to have the signal 100% wet or close to it is important? > > Is there no option for the truly tone-obsessed that will neither compromise > > the "vintage" tone or the modern processing/mangling capabilites? > > Yes, that's a dilemma. I use single channel, older guitar amps ('65 Ampeg > Reverberocket, '58 Gibson GA-20) all without effect loops exclusively > because I had my rack gear (t.c. G-force, EDP) modified for better frequency > response and am using a buffer/router before my effects. I use pedals for my > overdrive needs - before the looper(s) - easy and very controlled. > > Using the cranked sound of one of those small amps and combining that with a > looping setup would be quite a task! I never tried it because I am afraid > this could be rather hard to balance volumewise and also because I use 100% > wet-type effects (whammy, compression, filters) that just don't work in a > setup like that. But it could be done with some tinkering I think. You can > lift a line out from your amp by tapping the signal from the loudspeaker. > You'd have to knock down the signal to line level with some resistors (I had > an amp tec doing this - works well) or you'd have to mike the amp (possibly > in one of those isolation cabinets...), which increases schlepping factor > and setup time considerably. > > My general feeling is that the playing styles through a cranked amp > (expressive and raw) and the one for looping (a little more controlled) do > not mix so well and that a I am quite happy if I send the whole schmutz to > two (or sometimes three) nice sounding amps (vintage Jensen alnico speakers > are indispensible for me!) with a good overdrive pedal (BJF Baby Blue > Overdrive). I just make shure that my main loop (usually EDP) is running > through one amp only, the other one is free for a nicely separated solo > tone. I used to have that problem too. Now i just run my loops through a cranked tube amp! Actually, i don't crank the amp much... just enough to get it clipping a bit and fat-sounding. I depend on pedals for the heavy grunge (a Prescription Electronics Germ (also my clean buffer), the fuzz in a cheap Danelectro wah, and my beloved Rat). Oh, and everything gets looped. I clean out my loops by manually turning feedback to zero, then turn it back up to start looping again. I fade in and out by turning knobs. Well, the Echotron loops, at least... the Vortex gets different rules, as does the analog echo. The beauty of this setup is that my looped tone gets TONE, that whole magnifying-glass effect of a hot tube amp and lots of gain. For years, i've thought of distortion in the guitar chain as a sort of microscope, magnifying tiny details. It leads me to making lots of small sounds, just touches and squeals. Plus, with the semi-hollow guitar, it feeds back trivially, and much of my loopage is just layers of feedback at different pitches. The disadvantage, at this point, is that everything gets looped whether i want it to or not. Hopefully i'll make it more flexible later, without losing the rich tone and touch-sensitivity. -- -dave "...'cause she knows that it's demanding to defeat those evil machines..." -The Flaming Lips, _Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots pt. 1_ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 20:17:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2F1CeK12804; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:12:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:12:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <176.17233208.2ba3d7ff@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:12:31 EST Subject: Re: Zoom sample track st224 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 3/14/03 4:54:36 PM, alan@akroeger.com writes: << That's interesting its not actually spelled out in the manual that this limitation exist. >> Unfortunate rather than interesting. It is marketed as having a "smart card option" that is actually obsolete or nearly so. Too bad. I have used the Zoom PS02 Pocket Studio for 2 years and gotten a lot of happy mileage; they even have a nice little Mac software interface for import/export aiff files that works great. The price is down to $199, I think I even saw one for $179 (zzounds?). Good product at a great price. BobC The Thumb Piano Project www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 20:31:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2F1Pgb14101; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:25:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:25:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Zoom sample track st224 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:25:40 -0500 Message-ID: <000101c2ea91$cab14d50$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <176.17233208.2ba3d7ff@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h2F1PfM14074 Resent-Message-ID: <1vsJ9B.A.NcD.WEoc-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You are quite it is unfortunate and I didn't buy mine new, so it works well enough. I have an MRS-4 which impressed me enough to consider the SampleTrak and I think I can get by with another card or two. I found some on the web at some yahoo store for $6.99 each I think I will order some more. I only paid $139.00 for my SampleTrak and it does enough for me to keep it at that price. I want to trigger it to add samples to an EDP loop and maybe I will do a little more with it as I get around to it. I was working with the editing features and thought it did pretty well in that department. Al -----Original Message----- From: Aptrev@aol.com [mailto:Aptrev@aol.com] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 8:13 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Zoom sample track st224 In a message dated 3/14/03 4:54:36 PM, alan@akroeger.com writes: << That's interesting its not actually spelled out in the manual that this limitation exist. >> Unfortunate rather than interesting. It is marketed as having a "smart card option" that is actually obsolete or nearly so. Too bad. I have used the Zoom PS02 Pocket Studio for 2 years and gotten a lot of happy mileage; they even have a nice little Mac software interface for import/export aiff files that works great. The price is down to $199, I think I even saw one for $179 (zzounds?). Good product at a great price. BobC The Thumb Piano Project www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 20:51:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2F1hbp15670; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:43:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:43:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030315014335.44646.qmail@web11406.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:43:35 -0800 (PST) From: "Rich R." Subject: Re: Dragging Instruments To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A friend of mine turned me on to The Mermen a few years ago. We've been waiting for them to come to Buffalo. When are they coming up to the Rust Belt Holy Land? You have at least two fans up here!!! Regards, Rich --- stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > > > Personally, I don't see the big deal about > dragging > > instruments around. > > > > All my life I've wanted to play the sounds in my > head and > > now I finally can do it. I do this because I want > to, not because the > > pay is good or the schlepp light. > > > Rick Walker > > > > > > i hear ya bro- > i work w/ the band ,i am the main > schlepper and if anyone has > seen their stage set-up its a huge buncha stuff-a > veritable guitar/music > store. > and its just bass,guitar and drums... > anyway the point is whatever it takes for you > to"bring it!" ya gotta make > the sacrifice. if there is anywhere to scrimp it > shouldnt be w/ the > equipment that makes the music. > thats my/their belief anyway. > > goinloopee > stanitarium > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 21:18:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2F2ECm19565; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 21:14:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 21:14:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 18:15:34 -0800 Subject: Re: Volume pedals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200303150151.h2F1pAE16310@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: <010982D4-568C-11D7-B73D-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's inevitable with the Ernie Balls (and probably any similar design). The fix is to mail it to EB and have them recondition it (really). They have some flat fee, $35 or something, and it comes back looking brand new. They replace the grip tape, everything. The pot they use is really, really hard to find (something about the super long shaft) and the pain-in-the-ass factor of taking it apart and then getting it recalibrated so that pedal-back is full off probably insures that no-one does it for themselves...twice. I've had this done on a couple of the pedals over the years and I find it well worth the cost. TH On Friday, March 14, 2003, at 05:51 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > I've got two ernie ball volume pedals and I love them, but my older > mono one has started crackling a bit through the ouput when I'm moving > it, and now when it's at the bottom, it is allowing some bleed unless > I stand on it. I'm guess that the second part is due to the > string/spring getting stretched? Not sure about the first part. > Anyone seen this before or know how I can fix it? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 22:46:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2F3cBx29832; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 22:38:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 22:38:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 19:38:09 -0800 Subject: Re: Dragging Instruments Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030315014335.44646.qmail@web11406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <8A98905E-5697-11D7-8FA3-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm always torn about the BIG SCHLEP. It's a bit the whole schlepping thing, but also a huge part of it for me is the break down of the studio and the set up brake down set the studio back up again. I've tried paring things down... but at this point I feel that a lot of what I do is a guitar, midi guitar/synth setup, Drum machine and some outboard effects gear that doesn't rack. I like Jon El-Bizri's setup, but it looks like you could mount a turret on it and keep out an invading army. Jon Wagner's looks good too, but it looks like a lot of wood! HEAVY. I tried to do the single amp modeler floor pedal and a Repeater thing, but I wasn't thrilled with the tone and lack of flexibility. Sigh. So it looks like I'm back with the rack again, but smaller this time and with only one controller. We shall see. Mini rig II might even be EDP powered. Nice. Mark >> i hear ya bro- >> i work w/ the band ,i am the main >> schlepper and if anyone has >> seen their stage set-up its a huge buncha stuff-a >> veritable guitar/music >> store. >> and its just bass,guitar and drums... >> anyway the point is whatever it takes for you >> to"bring it!" ya gotta make >> the sacrifice. if there is anywhere to scrimp it >> shouldnt be w/ the >> equipment that makes the music. >> thats my/their belief anyway. >> >> goinloopee >> stanitarium >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online > http://webhosting.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 22:48:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2F3f9230061; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 22:41:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 22:41:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 22:40:08 -0500 Subject: Re: Zoom sample track st224 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: David Myers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like the Sampletrak a lot, but it is based on an antiquated memory design. Zoom Japan told me that 16 MB cards are the max usable and that's just how it is. They really shouldn't continue the thing unless this can be addressed, and I think a new buyer would be justified in sending it back. Cool toy for a used price, though. David Lee Myers Feedback Music at http://www.pulsewidth.com On Friday, March 14, 2003, at 05:28 PM, Aptrev@aol.com wrote: > Question for sample track users: > > I just got the st224 but it did not come with a smart media card. I > tried > several of the cards I have and even tried a new unformatted 32 mb > card but > all I get is "NO Card"response. > So apparently it will only accept a 4mb card that no one makes anymore? > Unless someone can suggest a good source for SM04 cards this puppy is > getting > drop-kicked back to the distributor. Maximum crappola deluxe. > > thanks > BobC > > The Thumb Piano Project > www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject > http://trundlebox.iuma.com > http://brokenaxe.iuma.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 23:06:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2F41SZ00932; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 23:01:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 23:01:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:08:21 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Re: Dragging Instruments Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:01:17 -0800 From: To: Subject: Re: Dragging Instruments MIME-Version: 1.0 > Personally, I don't see the big deal about dragging > instruments around. > > All my life I've wanted to play the sounds in my head and > now I finally can do it. I do this because I want to, not because the > pay is good or the schlepp light. > Rick Walker > > i hear ya bro- i work w/ the band ,i am the main schlepper and if anyone has seen their stage set-up its a huge buncha stuff-a veritable guitar/music store. and its just bass,guitar and drums... anyway the point is whatever it takes for you to"bring it!" ya gotta make the sacrifice. if there is anywhere to scrimp it shouldnt be w/ the equipment that makes the music. thats my/their belief anyway. goinloopee stanitarium Jeesus Stan, I feel for you, I saw the Mermen guitar players rack down at Eselan one time, years ago, couple of twin reverbs, couple of 18 or 20 space racks filled to the brim,extra speaker cabs, etc... Ouch! Get me to the chiropractor. But what a glorious sound echoing of the cliffs of Big Sur. My rack and pedal boards are'nt exactly light duty, What I'm trying to minimize, is size and weight, but some things are just heavy. I'd eventually like to get some really small powerfull,full range speaker cabinets like the Euphonic Audio stuff. I use those wimpy SKB cases simply because the are much lighter than wood cases. Gear Schleppage, I guess its the price you pay for wanting to have a lot of sonic variety. The trap of all this is you can amass such an armada of gear that you spend all of your time tinkering with sounds, and precious little time playing, or worse yet, playing the same ideas over and over as you keep toying with the signal processor. I must say that there is something very "desert island" seductive, about being able to arrive at a gig with a laptop, an interface, my instrument, and all of the softsythn,softlooper,modeling, and effects plugins you could dream about. there is also something a little nightmarish about the same scenario crashing in the middle of a set. Not that you can avoid gear meltdowns with hardware loopers, heh, I own a repeater! its just that with, hardware stuff its easier to have a back up, or a work around. With a computer, if it crashes mid performance, be prepared to tell a few jokes... Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 23:08:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2F437B01114; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 23:03:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 23:03:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Ray9356@aol.com Message-ID: <144.cf009bd.2ba3fff1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 23:02:57 EST Subject: Re: Zoom sample track st224 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_144.cf009bd.2ba3fff1_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10641 Resent-Message-ID: <1HBeIB.A.SR.7Xqc-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_144.cf009bd.2ba3fff1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/14/03 10:43:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, dmgraph@earthlink.net writes: > . Cool toy for a used price, though. > lol, toy. you should see what this thing can do when worked properly. --part1_144.cf009bd.2ba3fff1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 3/14/03 10:43:18 PM Eastern Standar= d Time, dmgraph@earthlink.net writes:


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lol, toy.  you should see what this thing can do when worked properly.<= /FONT> --part1_144.cf009bd.2ba3fff1_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 14 23:59:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2F4p8S05193; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 23:51:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 23:51:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005801c2ea7c$2f00a190$43f29840@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: Subject: Re: Dragging Instruments Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 22:50:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the mermen rule. jim thomas is incredible and i've heard his rack is truly monsterous. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 15 00:04:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2F4txP05578; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 23:55:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 23:55:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005e01c2ea7c$d8d558a0$43f29840@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <010982D4-568C-11D7-B73D-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Subject: Re: Volume pedals Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 22:55:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com EB's fee is $45 for the 6166, more for the others. a rip-off if there ever was one. finding pots with the longer shaft is not a problem at all. if the electronics store in my piddly town has them, then so does yours. the pain-in-the-ass factor is the only thing worth paying for, but after having taken three of the apart, replaced the pot (twice once), i have learned how to do it quickly and (relatively) painlessly. so, i disagree...not worth the money when you can very easily do it yourself. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 15 00:54:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2F5nE911608; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 00:49:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 00:49:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "BB" To: Subject: Boomerang Memory, more than 4mb? Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 23:49:24 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know that Mike has 4mb sticks of simm memory that he's selling for the upgrade to v2 from v1. Curiously, has anyone ever tried putting more memory in then this? Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 15 01:01:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2F5tgF12191; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 00:55:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 00:55:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030315055536.61338.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 21:55:36 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: when loopers ruled the earth..... To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please identify the following http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2514813456 Is it- a) Kim's 5th grade show-&-tell project? b) Ace Frehley's bedroom rig? c) proof that the Soviets invented DSP? ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 15 01:03:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2F5w7D12559; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 00:58:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 00:58:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Dragging Instruments Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 00:58:03 -0500 Message-ID: <001301c2eab7$d77355d0$542f04d1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8A98905E-5697-11D7-8FA3-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This has been a concern for my band too...especially if you are not the only band playing. How do you minimize setup/breakdown time, minimize the inevitable 'something must be plugged in wrong' error when you have to set up fast and have a lot of gear? I do use a Gator case now that has the mixer on top, with all my rack stuff plugged in. I have my pedals zip-tied to pegboard so they are already set up. We try to get on and off stage and try to be good about troubleshooting when something goes wrong. I have played with bands with lots and lots of gear- it is funny. Some bring out tons and tons of stuff- so much so that when they take forever to set up and it eats into their performance time, they don't seem to mind. Hell, I have seen bands that take as long to set up as their performance. Maybe ok if you are the only band, but if people are waiting to go on stage and the crowd starts leaving, then it is no fun. Then there are guys/girls that have huge setups that they have set up in no time at all. I played with this band once, that was a 4 piece- vocals/harp/guitar/bass. They were the 2nd of 3 bands. The bassist played bass pedals & cello also. The harpist played keyboards as well. They played to a DAT tape of drums. They had 40 minutes to play. It took 40 minutes to set up, and the stage was a mess of wires. Well, the DAT tape didn't work, and they fumbled with that for awhile. There was no sound out of the cello. In all, a bit of a nightmare. The club owner cut them off after 20 minutes. They *seemed* to know their gear, but in the real world, the more you have, the more can, and will go wrong. I felt bad for them, because I could see what they were trying to do, but in that situation, the 2nd of 3 bands, and only 40 mins to play, some compromises should have been made. Maybe it just takes experience, and setting up/breaking down your gear many many times. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > I'm always torn about the BIG SCHLEP. It's a bit the whole > schlepping > thing, but also a huge part of it for me is the break down of the > studio and the set up brake down set the studio back up again. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 15 01:16:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2F6C9115121; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 01:12:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 01:12:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 21:26:55 -0800 Subject: OT: Volume pedals (was Re: Rack Setup) From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030314182620.57203.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 3/14/03 10:26 AM, Tim Nelson at psychle62@yahoo.com wrote: > As far as its position in the effect chain, though, I > prefer to put it *between* gain or modulation effects > and time-based ones; ie. after most pedals, but > *before* delays and reverbs, thus controlling input > but not cutting off the 'tails'... I used to run Boss RDD-10 (short digital delay) --> Volume Pedal --> Boss RSD-10 (somewhat longer delay). This allowed me to use the first delay to build sustain and the latter to impart rhythmic structure. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 15 04:44:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2F9bx531598; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 04:37:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 04:37:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030315093752.8220.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 01:37:52 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: OT: Volume pedals and delay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi collegues, Is there a way to set up my volume pedal so that i can do volume swells a la Belew? I like the echo to continue being send(to the desired panning) and not being cut off, it would make things a bit more comfortable instead of using the potty, specially being busy with the guitar sustainer buttons. L.a ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 15 07:37:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2FCVLE09896; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 07:31:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 07:31:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030315123115.94996.qmail@web40513.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 04:31:15 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Dragging Instruments To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005801c2ea7c$2f00a190$43f29840@g0wn7> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Do you have a link to their rack? L.a --- jimfowler wrote: > the mermen rule. jim thomas is incredible and i've > heard his rack is truly > monsterous. > > -jim > > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 15 08:42:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2FDb7j14858; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 08:37:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 08:37:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 08:36:25 -0500 From: Sempai Subject: Re: finally good family feedback on loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <012001c2eaf7$f89018d0$75772544@user0jd9dje1rf> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <0oAnzD.A.CoD.Dyyc-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Same here. My style of music just isn't my wife's "cup of tea". I write mostly electronic dance, she likes new country. Go figure.... Sempai ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" To: "Looper's Delight" Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 12:13 PM Subject: Re: finally good family feedback on loops > I've noticed that I've gotten far more interest in my CD from a few > co-workers than I get at home. I wouldn't describe the home environment as > unsupportive. More just disinterested. > > Mark > > P.S. Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > > Her favorite album was David Sylvian and Robert Fripp's The First Day. > > Arguably some of the best work by either Fripp or Sylvian (though it > competes with Damage). > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 15 09:07:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2FE27Z17780; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 09:02:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 09:02:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000401c2eafb$ab1a17a0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <010982D4-568C-11D7-B73D-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Subject: Re: Volume pedals - morley Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 09:03:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [68.160.152.183] at Sat, 15 Mar 2003 08:02:01 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <5lz4TD.A.sVE.fJzc-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been using the same Morley volume pedal since 1985. The spring that holds the pedal at half-points is dead, but aside from one cleaning of the optical "thing" it's been a workhorse withstanding years of gigs and rehearsals and all the attendant activities that go along with them. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 15 09:19:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2FEDdl18780; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 09:13:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 09:13:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Zoom sample track st224 Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 09:13:37 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c2eafd$12b3bd70$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C2EAD3.29DDB570" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <144.cf009bd.2ba3fff1@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C2EAD3.29DDB570 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I like mine and don't feel bad about the memory limitation I still only consider it a sampler and not really a live looper. It can be used live = to add samples to the live looper. I find the MIDI implementation to be interesting, but I think that Zoom could have take this implementation a little further in perhaps another up level model. I am also glad I = didn't pay full price for it as I might have been a bit disappointed and am = glad that I have an EDP. I do believe that this sampler is a great = enhancement to a looping rig, but it would be a little better if it had two more things = 1) a midi out and 2) had 12 pads that supported a chromatic scale. =20 -----Original Message----- From: Ray9356@aol.com [mailto:Ray9356@aol.com]=20 Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 11:03 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Zoom sample track st224 In a message dated 3/14/03 10:43:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, dmgraph@earthlink.net writes: . Cool toy for a used price, though. lol, toy. you should see what this thing can do when worked properly.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C2EAD3.29DDB570 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
I like=20 mine and don't feel bad about the memory limitation I still only = consider=20 it a sampler and not really a live looper. It can be used live to add = samples to=20 the live looper. I find the MIDI implementation to be interesting, but I = think=20 that Zoom could have take this implementation a little further in = perhaps=20 another up level model. I am also glad I didn't pay full price for it as = I might=20 have been a bit disappointed and am glad that I have an EDP. I do = believe that=20 this sampler is a great enhancement to a looping rig, but it would be a = little=20 better if it had two more things 1) a midi out and 2) had 12 pads that = supported=20 a chromatic scale.
 
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In a message dated = 3/14/03=20 10:43:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, dmgraph@earthlink.net = writes:


.  Cool toy for a used price,=20 though.


lol, toy.  you should see what = this thing=20 can do when worked properly. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C2EAD3.29DDB570-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 15 09:30:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2FEMa419367; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 09:22:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 09:22:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: when loopers ruled the earth..... Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 09:22:33 -0500 Message-ID: <001401c2eafe$526579d0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20030315055536.61338.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <58PXSB.A.euE.rczc-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Guitar Rig From Hell looks vaguely like whats growing over in my corner Its just gotta be C ;-) -----Original Message----- From: John Tidwell [mailto:wedgehed@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 12:56 AM To: Loopers Delight Subject: when loopers ruled the earth..... Please identify the following http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2514813456 Is it- a) Kim's 5th grade show-&-tell project? b) Ace Frehley's bedroom rig? c) proof that the Soviets invented DSP? ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 15 11:11:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2FG5Th30460; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 11:05:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 11:05:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: Delay Mode.. Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 11:05:27 -0500 Message-ID: <001701c2eb0c$b26d5600$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Does anyone have any learned advice on how to better control the delay length on the EDP beside start record, end record. I want to use it as a delay device too and would like to reduce the distraction of the aforementioned method. I have an FCB for controlling the EDP, but sometimes find that fiddling about with the pedals sometimes reduces my concentration on the music and playing, any advice on this one? Al From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 15 11:32:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2FGOve32487; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 11:24:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 11:24:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E73567B.E9597E4@erols.com> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 11:36:11 -0500 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Dragging Instruments References: <001301c2eab7$d77355d0$542f04d1@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4-fBLC.A.e7H.ZP1c-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com future perfect wrote: > This has been a concern for my band too...especially if you are not the > only band playing. How do you minimize setup/breakdown time, minimize > the inevitable 'something must be plugged in wrong' error when you have > to set up fast and have a lot of gear? > I do use a Gator case now that has the mixer on top, with all my rack > stuff plugged in. I have my pedals zip-tied to pegboard so they are > already set up. We try to get on and off stage and try to be good about > troubleshooting when something goes wrong. > I have played with bands with lots and lots of gear- it is funny. Some > bring out tons and tons of stuff- so much so that when they take forever > to set up and it eats into their performance time, they don't seem to > mind. Hell, I have seen bands that take as long to set up as their > performance. Maybe ok if you are the only band, but if people are > waiting to go on stage and the crowd starts leaving, then it is no fun. > Then there are guys/girls that have huge setups that they have set up in > no time at all. > I played with this band once, that was a 4 piece- > vocals/harp/guitar/bass. They were the 2nd of 3 bands. The bassist > played bass pedals & cello also. The harpist played keyboards as well. > They played to a DAT tape of drums. They had 40 minutes to play. It took > 40 minutes to set up, and the stage was a mess of wires. Well, the DAT > tape didn't work, and they fumbled with that for awhile. There was no > sound out of the cello. In all, a bit of a nightmare. The club owner cut > them off after 20 minutes. They *seemed* to know their gear, but in the > real world, the more you have, the more can, and will go wrong. I felt > bad for them, because I could see what they were trying to do, but in > that situation, the 2nd of 3 bands, and only 40 mins to play, some > compromises should have been made. Maybe it just takes experience, and > setting up/breaking down your gear many many times. > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > I'm always torn about the BIG SCHLEP. It's a bit the whole > > schlepping > > thing, but also a huge part of it for me is the break down of the > > studio and the set up brake down set the studio back up again. > > This is quite a relevant thread for those of us who perform regularly. I agree that the schelp is one concern, however setting up/tearing down is probably bigger for me. Also, sometimes having so many gear options can be distracting. Personally, I've been wrestiling wtih this because if I have so much stuff to play with/worry about on stage it can negatively effect my performance. I think the key for me is that I need to practice using all of the looping/effects/drum machine stuff in the same way that I practice singing/playing guitar and lap steel. The more you know the less you have to think about it. On this subject. I use a Behringer 802A mixer. I use a DL-4 for looping but would like to upgrade to an EDP at some point. Any suggestions for a rack that would carry the EDP and a the small Behring mixer on top? This would make set up/tear down much quicker. Thanks, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 15 11:55:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2FGkGd02562; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 11:46:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 11:46:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 08:46:16 -0800 Subject: Re: OT: Volume pedals and delay Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030315093752.8220.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As long as you have your volume pedal first in the chain you should be fine. There are also compressors that will let you set a very long attack time, doing the volume swell for you. I've never found this to be as good as controlling it yourself though. Mark On Saturday, March 15, 2003, at 01:37 AM, Louie Angulo wrote: > Hi collegues, > Is there a way to set up my volume pedal so that i can > do volume swells a la Belew? I like the echo to > continue being send(to the desired panning) and not > being cut off, it would make things a bit more > comfortable instead of using the potty, specially > being busy with the guitar sustainer buttons. > L.a > > ===== > www.labalou.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online > http://webhosting.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 15 12:08:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2FGxvH05292; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 11:59:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 11:59:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 14:00:33 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Loop4 EXP mode: An observation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >on 3/11/03 12:07 PM, Matthias Grob at matthias@grob.org wrote: > >> hm, you want the pedal to control FB while Overdub is engaged and the >> front pot when nothing is added to the loop? So you need to go to the >> front pannel when you want a plain fade out (your second state)... >> does not quite make sense to me... can you explain? > >I'm going to have to go to the panel either for fade out or for changing >feedback while evolving the loop. Fade out strikes me as the better of the >two for which to sacrifice foot control. ok, but the idea is that you leave a reasonably reducing FB value on the front pannel for whenever you Overdub, so you would only change that if you need to change the "renovation speed"... > >With Loop mode, you obviously can get both a Hold and a Fade by adjusting >the feedback pedal, but it's more of a dance if you want to overdub for a >while at lower feedback and then go into hold. I guess the thing to do would >be to do the overdubbing, then take the feedback to 100%, and then exit >overdub. thats why I have FB on my left foot and Overdub (on the volume pedal) on my right foot. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 15 12:10:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2FH3HL05696; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 12:03:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 12:03:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030313005900.02a9d520@loopers-delight.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030312102218.04aa7008@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030313005900.02a9d520@loopers-delight.com> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 14:03:50 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: kim's refreshing insight (was: Ableton LIVE's.. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I loved your explanation about non real time OS problems, Kim and I agree that HW tools sometimes are a much handyer and even cheaper solution and I congratulate to your HD recorder aquisition but this one is going too far: >in the end probably cost a lot less than I would have spent on a pc >recording system. We're happy, and she'll probably begin a recording >project here within days. It probably would have been years if we >kept on the PC path. you can install an audio soft on a mac (Violets iBook may be enough) and learn to record on it in a day, be it with the internal audio input or a fire wire interface. and when it comes to editing or using MIDI tracks, sampler,,, you will miss the screen and end up syncing the computer to the HD recorder and probably get more problems than by doing it all in the computer. > >To me, that is the real advantage of a dedicated device over a >general purpose computer/laptop. How much time and energy are you >going to put into customizing an interface for that general purpose >device to fit your needs, before you can do anything with it at all? >How much time are you going to spend screwing around with it later, >fixing problems, installing updates, etc? you are right that its easy to loose a lot of time with this, but mostly because the options are so seducing. Set it up once for the basic needs (usually the only option the HW solution offers and the start up situation of the SW solution) and then keep it going, no need to upgrade for a year or twoQ By that time you maybe also want to upgrade the HW solution which may be a bigger change... Even HW machines have bugs and upgrades... Now, you are certainly right that its easier to make a dedicated HW work well for a specific task and in the present case of latency, the computer will give us a lot of headakes still. I wonder why enterprises like Apple dont create a real time version of their OS, limited and optimized for specific use. In most studios I see a Mac with nothing but ProTools installed to make it safe. They have a second computer for Internet and such. So an OS that looks like the MacOS but only serves audio soft would certainly be much safer and quicker... >knowledgeable people spend a whole bunch of time figuring out the >details of the interface design, probably with input from other >users. These days I find I'd much rather take advantage of the >interface design work that somebody else already did, rather than >reinventing that wheel myself. yes, but a professional audio software went through the experience of many more professional users and thus its interface developped further than a new dedicated HW ever could! and: just as you screw up the computer by loading too many tools into it that dont work together right, the HW system also starts to fail if you add more components: you get ground loops, bad contacts, heat... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 15 12:20:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2FHFkI07276; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 12:15:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 12:15:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 09:17:11 -0800 Subject: Re: Dragging Instruments Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200303151655.h2FGtSQ03658@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree (having carried around two racks, a big pedalboard and stereo speakers for years). Ask yourself "Does it take me longer to set up than the drummer?" Even with all my stuff the answer was "no". TH > >> Personally, I don't see the big deal about dragging >> instruments around. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 15 12:24:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2FHJ8d07652; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 12:19:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 12:19:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 09:20:34 -0800 Subject: Re: Volume pedals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200303151655.h2FGtSQ03658@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: <6E44208E-570A-11D7-B73D-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No, we agree. It's not worth the money when you can very easily do it yourself. For me, that means sending to EB. Every five or six years I shoulder that cost. TH On Saturday, March 15, 2003, at 08:55 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > B's fee is $45 for the 6166, more for the others. a rip-off if there > ever > was one. > > finding pots with the longer shaft is not a problem at all. if the > electronics store in my piddly town has them, then so does yours. > > the pain-in-the-ass factor is the only thing worth paying for, but > after > having taken three of the apart, replaced the pot (twice once), i have > learned how to do it quickly and (relatively) painlessly. > > so, i disagree...not worth the money when you can very easily do it > yourself. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 15 12:29:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2FHNpG08097; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 12:23:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 12:23:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b201c2eb17$a3c30f40$3e57c350@p4> From: "David Swain" To: References: Subject: Re: Dragging Instruments Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 17:23:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The only thing i don't like is the weight ! I suffer from rheumatism and arthritis's and have two 8 unit racks, i could split the gear down further into more racks but then my set up time would be a lot longer, what i do know is transprt stuff on a small trolley : 2 racks 2 cabs Pedals Guitars Not much trouble at all ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 5:17 PM Subject: Re: Dragging Instruments > I agree (having carried around two racks, a big pedalboard and stereo > speakers for years). Ask yourself "Does it take me longer to set up > than the drummer?" Even with all my stuff the answer was "no". > > TH > > > > >> Personally, I don't see the big deal about dragging > >> instruments around. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 15 13:16:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2FIAFJ13440; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 13:10:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 13:10:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030315181008.97590.qmail@web80206.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 10:10:08 -0800 (PST) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: Re: Dragging Instruments To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030315123115.94996.qmail@web40513.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <0H5CyD.A.3RD.Hy2c-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm afraid i don't...but now that you mention it, i'm gonna look around. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 15 13:23:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2FIHLE14135; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 13:17:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 13:17:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 10:17:20 -0800 Subject: Re: Volume pedals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <6E44208E-570A-11D7-B73D-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Message-Id: <5CE10B4A-5712-11D7-AA06-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why not go with a Morley? I've got one that I've had for probably 10 years that's as good as the day I bought it. Why? It uses a light and a light sensor to vary a resistor: nothing to ever wear out. Great design. I had an Ernie Ball and it got scratchy fairly quickly, that's when I got the Morley. Mark On Saturday, March 15, 2003, at 09:20 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > No, we agree. It's not worth the money when you can very easily do it > yourself. For me, that means sending to EB. Every five or six years > I shoulder that cost. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 15 13:27:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2FILqA14509; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 13:21:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 13:21:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003101c2eb1f$d455c6e0$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: References: <5CE10B4A-5712-11D7-AA06-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Volume pedals Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 13:22:25 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" > Why not go with a Morley? I've got one that I've had for probably 10 > years that's as good as the day I bought it. Why? It uses a light and > a light sensor to vary a resistor: nothing to ever wear out. Great > design. I had an Ernie Ball and it got scratchy fairly quickly, that's > when I got the Morley. > > Mark Are the current Morleys any smaller/lighter than they used to be? I have an old Volume/Wah and it's a massive beast. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 15 13:28:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2FINjf14711; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 13:23:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 13:23:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 10:23:45 -0800 Subject: Re: second amp suggestions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <007d01c2e8cb$eea52280$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> Message-Id: <422AA698-5713-11D7-AA06-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Or you can bid on it's little brother: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=251608383 Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, at 11:16 AM, Jimmy George Band wrote: > as well check out the johnson line. ive been playing their j150 stereo > amp > for 7 years now and love them allot! they have unfortunately gone out > of > business but you can find them real cheap with midi controller for > around > 600 new even. digitech will still honor repair and warranty. > > 3 cents worth > jg > http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mark Hamburg > To: Looper's Delight > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 9:26 PM > Subject: Re: second amp suggestions > > >> on 3/11/03 1:47 PM, Guywithatele@aol.com at Guywithatele@aol.com >> wrote: >> >>> Fender is trying to model all their old amps with the Cyber Twin >>> which > is >>> memorizing to watch as all the little dials slowly rotate per preset. >> >> The Yamaha DG80 does this as well. The DG amps are some of the nicer >> sounding modeling amps. I think AMS has them relatively cheap right >> now. >> >> Mark >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 15 14:05:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2FIxbr19484; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 13:59:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 13:59:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Looping9string@aol.com Message-ID: <1e4.47f13c4.2ba4d211@aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 13:59:29 EST Subject: THAT 1 GUY To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e4.47f13c4.2ba4d211_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1e4.47f13c4.2ba4d211_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone ever seen THAT 1 GUY? My looping trio "9 & ZEN" got to open for him as he came through Montana! I was floored! I rate him close to Andre LaFosse as far as an incredible musician / looper! He truly is an artist! I bought his disc too! It's very good! I really dig watching people who are very good at looping, knowing a bit about their gear helps me be twice as entertained! I just kept repeating myself... OK that was good! OK now that was cool! Wow, I never thought of that! ETC...... He is VERY worth seeing, and I would suggest buying his disc! www.that1guy.com At least go to his site and look at "the magic pipe" this his crazy instrument that he built himself! He has lyrics, and humor! When I grow up... I want to be similar to That1guy, or Andre LaFosse w/ my EDPs! Check him out! --part1_1e4.47f13c4.2ba4d211_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Has anyone ever seen THAT 1 GUY?

My looping trio "9 & ZEN" got to open for him as he came through Montana= !

I was floored! I rate him close to Andre LaFosse as far as an incredible mus= ician / looper!

He truly is an artist! I bought his disc too! It's very good!

I really dig watching people who are very good at looping, knowing a bit abo= ut their gear helps me be twice as entertained!

I just kept repeating myself... OK that was good! OK now that was cool! Wow,= I never thought of that! ETC......

He is VERY worth seeing, and I would suggest buying his disc!

www.that1guy.com

At least go to his site and look at "the magic pipe" this his crazy instrume= nt that he built himself!

He has lyrics, and humor!

When I grow up... I want to be similar to That1guy, or Andre LaFosse w/ my E= DPs!

Check him out! --part1_1e4.47f13c4.2ba4d211_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 15 14:39:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2FJY8822476; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 14:34:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 14:34:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 11:30:23 -0800 Subject: Re: Volume pedals From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5CE10B4A-5712-11D7-AA06-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 3/15/03 10:17 AM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > Why not go with a Morley? I've got one that I've had for probably 10 > years that's as good as the day I bought it. Why? It uses a light and > a light sensor to vary a resistor: nothing to ever wear out. Great > design. I had an Ernie Ball and it got scratchy fairly quickly, that's > when I got the Morley. I've got a Morely pedal as well that I used for years. Downsides: * It's one more thing that needs power * It's mono * It's not exactly small Other than that, it works great (though I think I need to lubricate it soon since it squeaks a bit). Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 15 14:56:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2FJq5G24273; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 14:52:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 14:52:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <9f469834.98349f46@loudcloud.com> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 14:52:02 -0500 X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en Subject: Re: THAT 1 GUY X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I saw him in Los Altos, CA at an art/wine festival. He was good at his craft and entertaining. I dug the way he got down down down with this magic pipe. He had a song called Possum Pie or something that was killing me. Very recommended to see live. D ----- Original Message ----- From: Looping9string@aol.com Date: Saturday, March 15, 2003 1:59 pm Subject: THAT 1 GUY > Has anyone ever seen THAT 1 GUY? > > My looping trio "9 & ZEN" got to open for him as he came through > Montana! > I was floored! I rate him close to Andre LaFosse as far as an > incredible > musician / looper! > > He truly is an artist! I bought his disc too! It's very good! > > I really dig watching people who are very good at looping, knowing > a bit > about their gear helps me be twice as entertained! > > I just kept repeating myself... OK that was good! OK now that was > cool! Wow, > I never thought of that! ETC...... > > He is VERY worth seeing, and I would suggest buying his disc! > > www.that1guy.com > > At least go to his site and look at "the magic pipe" this his > crazy > instrument that he built himself! > > He has lyrics, and humor! > > When I grow up... I want to be similar to That1guy, or Andre > LaFosse w/ my > EDPs! > > Check him out! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 15 15:33:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2FKQpS28357; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 15:26:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 15:26:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030315202645.74334.qmail@web80209.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 12:26:45 -0800 (PST) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: Re: THAT 1 GUY To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9f469834.98349f46@loudcloud.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <6m-VvD.A.86G.Ky4c-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ha! "music in the key of beotch" now that's witty! -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 15 15:58:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2FKpoS30581; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 15:51:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 15:51:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 15:51:49 -0500 From: billfox@fast.net Message-Id: <200303152051.h2FKpnM30557@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From "billfox" Sender: billfox@fast.net From: "billfox" Reply-to: billfox@fast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [looper's] RE: Echoplex sighting X-Mailer: WebMAIL to Mail Gateway v2.0q Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 16:03:28 -0500 Message-id: <3e739520.591d.269167349@fast.net> > I've even toyed with the idea of using my repeaters to do > remixes and "party tapes" inna dj-stylee by way of > demonstrating this area of their capability but I've never > been comfortable with the idea of getting credit of any > sort for tampering with someone else's work. While I fully understand your feelings with this, I think that using other artists' material can be done in a way that wouldn't make you uncomfortable. For example, vidnaObmana's and Asmus Tiechens' "The Shift's Recycling" is a two CD set where the artists (Obmana and Tiechens) have "recycled" material from another artist (Shift). (Each CD in the set is the result of each artist's individual efforts.) I haven't heard the raw source material, but I suspect that it was previously unreleased and merely RAW material. The same material was supplied by Shift to both artists who mangled and looped it and added their own material. Of course, Shift knew in advance what the project was all about since he personally supplied the raw source material. However, I'm sure you were talking about using released material as your source material. I still feel that this could be handled in a way that isn't a ripoff of another's work. With propoer credit given the the creator(s) of the source material you use and notification prior to releasing your (derivative?) work, perhaps this might be OK. Cheers, Bill P.S. My desk computer crashed. Until it is fixed or replaced, I'll be off of LD for a little while to minimize on-line exposure to my laptop. (My laptop is supposed to be a music only tool.) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 15 16:00:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2FKrIq30698; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 15:53:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 15:53:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 15:54:38 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Volume pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <009301c2eb35$17f7b920$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5CE10B4A-5712-11D7-AA06-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" > Why not go with a Morley? I've got one that I've had for probably 10 > years that's as good as the day I bought it. Why? It uses a light and > a light sensor to vary a resistor: nothing to ever wear out. Great > design. I had an Ernie Ball and it got scratchy fairly quickly, that's > when I got the Morley. That's exactly why I got my Morley. Works fine. The Earnie Ball didn't even last a year. * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 15 16:17:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2FLAdv01004; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 16:10:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 16:10:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 13:09:42 -0800 Subject: Re: THAT 1 GUY From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1e4.47f13c4.2ba4d211@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3130578582_89101_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3130578582_89101_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit mike silverman is a friend-he used to play bass in back in '99 and he opens for them every chance they get. he is one great guy,very unassuming,edp user and just a great entertainer. he used to be in a band here in the sf bay area and boy did they rock the boat! anyway i think he lurks here, cause i'm always tellin him about LD-ya wanna sync somethin-mike is the guy to talk to-he has a unique rack setup that is pretty impossible to describe, from live snare to linndrum-from cello strings/violin bows to electric saw(!) and that impossible pipe that he beats the hell outa w/ the smoke comin out the top!! stan Has anyone ever seen THAT 1 GUY? My looping trio "9 & ZEN" got to open for him as he came through Montana! I was floored! I rate him close to Andre LaFosse as far as an incredible musician / looper! He truly is an artist! I bought his disc too! It's very good! I really dig watching people who are very good at looping, knowing a bit about their gear helps me be twice as entertained! I just kept repeating myself... OK that was good! OK now that was cool! Wow, I never thought of that! ETC...... He is VERY worth seeing, and I would suggest buying his disc! www.that1guy.com At least go to his site and look at "the magic pipe" this his crazy instrument that he built himself! He has lyrics, and humor! When I grow up... I want to be similar to That1guy, or Andre LaFosse w/ my EDPs! Check him out! --MS_Mac_OE_3130578582_89101_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: THAT 1 GUY mike silverman<that1guy> is a friend-he used to play bass in <the = mermen> back in '99 and he opens for them every chance they get. he is on= e great guy,very unassuming,edp user and just a great entertainer. he used t= o be in a band here in the sf bay area <the fabulous hedgehogs> and bo= y did they rock the boat!
anyway i think he lurks here, cause i'm always tellin him about LD-ya wanna= sync somethin-mike is the guy to talk to-he has a unique rack setup that is= pretty impossible to describe, from live snare to linndrum-from cello strin= gs/violin bows to electric saw(!) and that impossible pipe that he beats the= hell outa w/ the smoke comin out the top!!

stan

Has anyone ever seen THAT 1 G= UY?

My looping trio "9 & ZEN" got to open for him as he came thro= ugh Montana!

I was floored! I rate him close to Andre LaFosse as far as an incredible mu= sician / looper!

He truly is an artist! I bought his disc too! It's very good!

I really dig watching people who are very good at looping, knowing a bit ab= out their gear helps me be twice as entertained!

I just kept repeating myself... OK that was good! OK now that was cool! Wow= , I never thought of that! ETC......

He is VERY worth seeing, and I would suggest buying his disc!

www.that1guy.com

At least go to his site and look at "the magic pipe" this his cra= zy instrument that he built himself!

He has lyrics, and humor!

When I grow up... I want to be similar to That1guy, or Andre LaFosse w/ my = EDPs!

Check him out!

--MS_Mac_OE_3130578582_89101_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 15 16:17:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2FLBrJ01096; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 16:11:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 16:11:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Ray9356@aol.com Message-ID: <1a2.11e2d268.2ba4f10d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 16:11:41 EST Subject: Re: Zoom sample track st224 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1a2.11e2d268.2ba4f10d_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10641 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1a2.11e2d268.2ba4f10d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/15/03 9:14:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, alan@akroeger.com writes: > 12 pads that supported a chromatic scale. your right there its biggest fault/ Multitibrality wouldve helped too --part1_1a2.11e2d268.2ba4f10d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 3/15/03 9:14:46 AM Eastern Standard= Time, alan@akroeger.com writes:


12 pads that supported a chromatic scale.


your right there its biggest fault/  Multitibrality wouldve helped too<= /FONT> --part1_1a2.11e2d268.2ba4f10d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 15 16:32:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2FLRVv02252; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 16:27:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 16:27:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006d01c2eb39$c390b8a0$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Mists of Ba'al and Astarte Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 16:28:04 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <6YRC8D.A.Ej.Dr5c-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Tuesday March 18th - Mists of Ba'al and Astarte Composer/pianist/improvisor John Kameel Farah has focused on merging modern classical, jazz, free improvisation and Middle-Eastern music in electronica/techno collages. His live electronic performances consist of improvising/meditating on keyboard shapes alongside a bed of samples & laptop sequences. Sometimes with beat and sometimes without, he draws upon a rich harmonic vocabulary, colliding his disparate influences in endless combinations, shapes, forms. To open the night, John will be joined by ambient/experimental cellist/loopist cheryl o for a set of improvisations. John Kameel Farah - http://webhome.idirect.com/~ffarah cheryl o - http://www.cellojuice.com Between Sets CD - "Swarm Of Drones - disc 1" by V/A (Sombient) This is the 2nd "ambient noir" collection from Sombient (in a series of 3) which The Ambient Ping will be featuring throughout 2003. 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Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 15 16:41:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2FLaji03089; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 16:36:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 16:36:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Zoom sample track st224 Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 16:36:43 -0500 Message-ID: <002901c2eb3a$f97e26e0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01C2EB11.10A81EE0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <1a2.11e2d268.2ba4f10d@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C2EB11.10A81EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I still think its a blast to work with I like the sample editing = feature, the sound effect assignments and the ability to re-sample and modify = already captured samples.=20 -----Original Message----- From: Ray9356@aol.com [mailto:Ray9356@aol.com]=20 Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 4:12 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Zoom sample track st224 In a message dated 3/15/03 9:14:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, alan@akroeger.com writes: 12 pads that supported a chromatic scale. your right there its biggest fault/ Multitibrality wouldve helped too=20 ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C2EB11.10A81EE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
I=20 still think its a blast to work with I like the sample editing feature, = the=20 sound effect assignments and the ability to re-sample and modify already = captured samples.
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In a message dated = 3/15/03 9:14:46=20 AM Eastern Standard Time, alan@akroeger.com = writes:


 12 pads that supported a chromatic scale.


your right there its biggest fault/ =20 Multitibrality wouldve helped too = ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C2EB11.10A81EE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 15 16:51:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2FLkh804053; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 16:46:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 16:46:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <1e2.4809c85.2ba4f935@aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 16:46:29 EST Subject: Re: Volume pedals - morley To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e2.4809c85.2ba4f935_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1e2.4809c85.2ba4f935_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i have had my morley for a long time and it has never given me problems. they are rugged and built to last. scratchy pots aren't an issue. they look good. they are full of fiber and promote regularity. =-) PJ --part1_1e2.4809c85.2ba4f935_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i have had my morley for a=20= long time and it has never given me problems. they are rugged and built to l= ast. scratchy pots aren't an issue. they look good. they are full of fiber a= nd promote regularity.     =3D-) PJ --part1_1e2.4809c85.2ba4f935_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 15 17:44:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2FMbTM10209; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 17:37:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 17:37:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Dragging Instruments Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 17:37:24 -0500 Message-ID: <001501c2eb43$733e3cb0$542f04d1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3E73567B.E9597E4@erols.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gator makes one, and it rocks. Keep all the plugs in the mixer, just open the top and go. http://www.gatorcases.com/sections/prdct/proaudio/console_rack.htm I think there are a few on Ebay now. I got my 10x6 rack on Ebay for $100, new, a MARS store liquidation, I think. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > On this subject. I use a Behringer 802A mixer. I use a DL-4 > for looping but would like to upgrade to an EDP at some > point. Any suggestions for a rack that would carry the EDP > and a the small Behring mixer on top? This would make set > up/tear down much quicker. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 15 19:03:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2FNwUI17924; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 18:58:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 18:58:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 18:58:29 -0500 Subject: what software do you use to diagram signal path? From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7-lfhC.A.8XE.m47c-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com is there anything written particularly for this? or do I have to use illustrator... thanks... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 15 19:52:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2G0lcB23157; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 19:47:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 19:47:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 16:47:35 -0800 Subject: Racking solution From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So, I think I've actually now got a racking solution that should work fairly well when traveling. (Think because I haven't taken it anywhere yet.) I've got a 6-space Rackcrate -- a milk crate like thing with handles and rack rails. It obviously isn't great for protecting equipment from the elements, but it's light and reasonably tough. I used this both for Loopstock 2002 and the Y2K3 Santa Cruz Loopfest. The problem has been where to put it where I can get to it reasonably easily while playing. I've been balancing it on top of a milk crate but that's been non-ideal. Recently, I tried putting it on an Ultimate Support Systems Genesis amp stand. This is a nice little stand that folds up compactly. I used a bungee cord to attach the top front of the rack to the post at the back of the stand. This placed the rack a little lower than I'd like but the angle was quite good. Sitting on the drum throne that I use for playing guitar with this in front of me, it was easy to get to all of the controls. Just one problem... All of the weight for the rack is at the front so things wanted to go plunging over face-first immediately. I discovered that the box my Mo-FX came in worked perfectly for wedging the rack upward. True the back leg of the amp stand was prone to drift off the ground, but it was basically stable. The weight of the rack, however, was putting dents in the box and the box was drifting forward so this didn't look like a good long term solution. The front of my 4-space Anvil rack worked well for propping this all up, but it looked like it could easily slip out. It also would be sort of a pain to carry around that one piece. So, today's project: My son and I (well, mostly me) just built a little A-frame sawhorse stand out of PVC pipe to put under the front of the rack with a bungee cord to anchor it in place. (One plus about the Rackcrate is that it has lots of places to hook bungee cords.) It sticks out slightly further than I'd like, but it looks like it should hold well now. My EDP foot controller just fits between the legs of the A-frame. So, total rack setup: 6-space Rackcrate Genesis amp stand Homemade PVC stand 2 bungee cords More parts than might be ideal, but the weight is very manageable. Finally, and most importantly, I need to give credit to my wife. She's the one who suggested bungee cords and she's the one who suggested PVC when I was contemplating building something out of wood. She may not particularly show signs of connecting with the music I play, but she was the source of two very useful ideas in this process. Now, I just need to deal with the mass of pedals at my feet. Mark P.S. If you want to build one yourself, I used 1/2" PVC pipe. I used the connectors that basically look like the corner of a cube at either end of the apex. I needed to put screw adapters on these. I used four equal length legs coming down from the Apex. The front ones end in caps. The back ones end in right angle connectors to a second crossbeam. Lengths: Legs: 9.5" Apex crossbeam: 15" Rear crossbeam: 16.5+" I think I'm using a 24" bungee cord on top of the rack and a 30" bungee cord to secure the PVC stand to the rack. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 16 00:04:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2G4ugp16345; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 23:56:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 23:56:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 23:56:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200303152356.AA364707996@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: RE: what software do you use to diagram signal path? X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think Visio would work pretty well for this, but I personally use freehand which is similar to illustrator. Kevin > -----Original Message----- > From: todd reynolds [mailto:toddreynolds@rcn.com] > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 3:58 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: what software do you use to diagram signal path? > > > is there anything written particularly for this? or do I have to use > illustrator... thanks... > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- New From Unit Circle: Intonarumori - "Material" http://www.unitcircle.com/rekkids/releases/tUC075/ -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 16 00:08:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2G51K317992; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 00:01:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 00:01:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 00:01:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200303160001.AA819920926@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: RE: what software do you use to diagram signal path? X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think Visio would work pretty well for this, but I personally use freehand which is similar to illustrator. Kevin > -----Original Message----- > From: todd reynolds [mailto:toddreynolds@rcn.com] > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 3:58 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: what software do you use to diagram signal path? > > > is there anything written particularly for this? or do I have to use > illustrator... thanks... > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- New From Unit Circle: Intonarumori - "Material" http://www.unitcircle.com/rekkids/releases/tUC075/ -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 16 00:42:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2G5cQq21205; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 00:38:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 00:38:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030315224312.014f82c0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 22:43:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Delay Mode.. In-Reply-To: <001701c2eb0c$b26d5600$0200a8c0@akadev.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <_HXLBD.A.MLF.S3Ad-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Personally, I always use sus record, so I can get very quick samples of audio with only one press and hold of a pedal. -With the feedback less than 100% and overdub enabled, you can get an easily changeable delay-like feel this way. -Hope this helps... Smiles, CQ At 11:05 AM 3/15/03 -0500, you wrote: >Hi >Does anyone have any learned advice on how to better control the delay >length on the EDP beside start record, end record. I want to use it as a >delay device too and would like to reduce the distraction of the >aforementioned method. I have an FCB for controlling the EDP, but sometimes >find that fiddling about with the pedals sometimes reduces my concentration >on the music and playing, any advice on this one? > >Al > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 16 01:03:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2G5wgD22633; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 00:58:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 00:58:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030315230330.007c0310@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 23:03:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Delay Mode.. In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20030315224312.014f82c0@pop.earthlink.net> References: <001701c2eb0c$b26d5600$0200a8c0@akadev.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oops, forgot to mention that I do this in loop mode. Smiles, Cara At 10:43 PM 3/15/03 -0700, you wrote: > Personally, I always use sus record, so I can get very quick samples of >audio with only one press and hold of a pedal. -With the feedback less >than 100% and overdub enabled, you can get an easily changeable delay-like >feel this way. -Hope this helps... > >Smiles, > >CQ > >At 11:05 AM 3/15/03 -0500, you wrote: >>Hi >>Does anyone have any learned advice on how to better control the delay >>length on the EDP beside start record, end record. I want to use it as a >>delay device too and would like to reduce the distraction of the >>aforementioned method. I have an FCB for controlling the EDP, but sometimes >>find that fiddling about with the pedals sometimes reduces my concentration >>on the music and playing, any advice on this one? >> >>Al >> >> > > >--- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. >-Then, anything is possible..." > >http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > >Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 16 02:30:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2G7QFR31654; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 02:26:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 02:26:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000601c2eb8d$8632fdc0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: Re: Racking solution Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 02:27:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [68.160.154.161] at Sun, 16 Mar 2003 01:26:09 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <0GlFh.A.euH.XcCd-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It can be simpler than that - SKB's sit quite securely on pretty much any folding keyboard stand ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" To: "Looper's Delight" Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 7:47 PM Subject: Racking solution > So, I think I've actually now got a racking solution that should work fairly > well when traveling. (Think because I haven't taken it anywhere yet.) > > I've got a 6-space Rackcrate -- a milk crate like thing with handles and > rack rails. It obviously isn't great for protecting equipment from the > elements, but it's light and reasonably tough. I used this both for > Loopstock 2002 and the Y2K3 Santa Cruz Loopfest. The problem has been where > to put it where I can get to it reasonably easily while playing. I've been > balancing it on top of a milk crate but that's been non-ideal. > > Recently, I tried putting it on an Ultimate Support Systems Genesis amp > stand. This is a nice little stand that folds up compactly. I used a bungee > cord to attach the top front of the rack to the post at the back of the > stand. This placed the rack a little lower than I'd like but the angle was > quite good. Sitting on the drum throne that I use for playing guitar with > this in front of me, it was easy to get to all of the controls. > > Just one problem... > > All of the weight for the rack is at the front so things wanted to go > plunging over face-first immediately. I discovered that the box my Mo-FX > came in worked perfectly for wedging the rack upward. True the back leg of > the amp stand was prone to drift off the ground, but it was basically > stable. The weight of the rack, however, was putting dents in the box and > the box was drifting forward so this didn't look like a good long term > solution. The front of my 4-space Anvil rack worked well for propping this > all up, but it looked like it could easily slip out. It also would be sort > of a pain to carry around that one piece. > > So, today's project: My son and I (well, mostly me) just built a little > A-frame sawhorse stand out of PVC pipe to put under the front of the rack > with a bungee cord to anchor it in place. (One plus about the Rackcrate is > that it has lots of places to hook bungee cords.) It sticks out slightly > further than I'd like, but it looks like it should hold well now. My EDP > foot controller just fits between the legs of the A-frame. > > So, total rack setup: > > 6-space Rackcrate > Genesis amp stand > Homemade PVC stand > 2 bungee cords > > More parts than might be ideal, but the weight is very manageable. > > Finally, and most importantly, I need to give credit to my wife. She's the > one who suggested bungee cords and she's the one who suggested PVC when I > was contemplating building something out of wood. She may not particularly > show signs of connecting with the music I play, but she was the source of > two very useful ideas in this process. > > Now, I just need to deal with the mass of pedals at my feet. > > Mark > > P.S. If you want to build one yourself, I used 1/2" PVC pipe. I used the > connectors that basically look like the corner of a cube at either end of > the apex. I needed to put screw adapters on these. I used four equal length > legs coming down from the Apex. The front ones end in caps. The back ones > end in right angle connectors to a second crossbeam. Lengths: > > Legs: 9.5" > Apex crossbeam: 15" > Rear crossbeam: 16.5+" > > I think I'm using a 24" bungee cord on top of the rack and a 30" bungee cord > to secure the PVC stand to the rack. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 16 02:47:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2G7h0700532; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 02:43:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 02:43:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 23:42:58 -0800 Subject: Re: Racking solution Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000601c2eb8d$8632fdc0$0affff0a@hppav> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, that's what I do. Heavy keyboard stand. On top of that, a 48" metal metro-rack (metal shelf system) shelf. Rack in the center, with two "wings" to hold a mixer, drum machine and KAOSS pad. The End. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, March 15, 2003, at 11:27 PM, David wrote: > It can be simpler than that - SKB's sit quite securely on pretty much > any > folding keyboard stand From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 16 04:19:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2G9DTG07996; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 04:13:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 04:13:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: New article at Wired on Pauline Oliveros Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 10:13:24 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001601c2eb9c$4bfe55a0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <003d01c2e9f8$2031efe0$f1fd883e@GarethWhittock> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.wired.com/news/digiwood/0,1412,58042,00.html?tw=wn_ascii Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com --> 1st Swedish Looping Festival From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 16 04:33:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2G9SjI12635; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 04:28:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 04:28:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b701c2eb9e$1ebda3a0$29d74c51@GarethWhittock> From: "Gareth Whittock" To: References: <004801c2e9c8$bd1eab70$0200a8c0@akadev.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030314110430.045b9ea0@loopers-delight.com> <004301c2ea7c$892039b0$a538fc0c@amd> Subject: Re: laptop live Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 09:25:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >from Clark >What plugin handles the live looping part in your rig ? I use Sc 4,12, & 60 second delays - the delay times are set up to repeat say every 2 bars or 4 bars of the tempo set in audiomulch. I use a midi switch to trap sound into the delay and a midi pedal to set the feedback %. In this way I can trap sounds infinitely, fade them out or use sharp pedal changes to "cut bits out" of the loop. There is often a filter set up somewhere which I can assign to another pedal or automate. I use loop players to fire samples and drum loops which I control using the knobs on the Oxygen 8, (by then I've usually got a loop going). >from jesse ray > What I want to know is how low is your latency with AudioMulch, and what > hardware are you using? I downloaded and installed AudioMulch yesterday and > I can't get less than 11ms latency. I need sub-5ms latency to use > AudioMulch live with the kind of rhythmicly intense stuff I'm doing. Latency is set by the ASIO drivers on your sound card. My latency is about 12ms - I think - apparently it's possible to go down to 3ms but I've never bothered - since sound travels at about a foot per millisecond the difference you're talking about is the difference between playing right next to your monitors and playing about 6 feet away. Maybe the difference is in your head or maybe I'm just a sloppy player - I don't feel it. Anyway with 3ms you wont either. >From Kim Next time one of you >live laptoppers is playing with your very expensive, very portable, easily >concealable laptop in a dimly lit, noisy, crowded bar/nightclub (preferably >with exits near the stage), please let me know. Next gig on May 3rd - (hopefully crowded) bar - dimly lit is good for me - the problem with video monitors is out of door gigs in the daylight. Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 16 04:47:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2G9gph13268; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 04:42:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 04:42:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006701c2eba0$3663cc80$8161f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200303151655.h2FGtTE03665@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Dragging Instruments Around Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 01:41:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, talk about the shchlepp from hell: Tonight I play the Calabash Awards (with the genius who has what looks like an airport at his feet when he plays,my brother Bill) and I have to play different instruments on every song (we are the ethnic looping 'pit orchestra' for this professional ethnic arts award show) AND..........I am an awardee this year as well (thank you, thank you, I want to thank my mother and ............) so I have to take a second looping set up to do my solo piece. which brings me to my philosophy of schleppage: Mark Sottilaro wrote about not wanting to set up and tear down his studio everytime (a reason why I owned three professional drumsets during the 80's and 90's: one for the recording studio ready to go, one to teach with and one at the rehearsal hall). I definitely relate, Mark.........I have always noticed that once the gig is over, I'm tired and don't feel like setting up everything again and sometimes won't compose for several days............ ..........until I got my PC system.........now, oddly enough, I never use my performance looping rigs in my recording process (except on the last CD where I minidisced 22 live tunes). The computer writing process is soooooo deep that I am a long ways from running out of ways to be creative in it. For live gigging, I have two set ups: 1) The 'festival' setup which has (until tonight when one of them died, dammit) two line 6 footpedals and a harmonizer and now, my Vocal 300 (which I'm in love with) This setup is really low tech, fits on a modest single footpedal board and makes me be more zen in my playing because i have to concentrate on being in love with the sounds that I make (as opposed to how many delicious ways I can mangle them-----Michael Klobuchar, you are a god...........LOL) and 2) My "i get to play anything I damn well please at this show because I can take as long as I like to set up" rig: Mackie Powered Monitors, Mackie Mixer, Repeater (fed into EDP), EDP (fed into Repeater), Lexicon MX 500 verb and the aforementioned Vocal 300 plus a plethora of instruments (including synths, samplers, basses, wind synth, guitar (if I have the courage to actually play it in public)and a zillion other percussive and found objects. No gig's gear is ever exactly the same as I love to surprise myself (much to the chagrin of my poor brother who has to put up with my tech freakouts------which are legion and frequent........LOL............thanks, Bill, I love you dearly for putting up with me. I do have to say that the old back has gotten noticeably older in recent years though and the thought of a laptop running things is pretty sexy to me (and probably out of reach for many of the reasons that Kim elucidated. Come on gang, where's that really articulate rebuttal to Kim's ascertions? Who only uses a laptop and things it's the cat's meow.........I want to hear from you!!! I'm still not completely sold on buying a laptop. okay, enough blathering...........later, Rick (who will be no longer be a dulcimer performance virgin after tomorrow night.....LOL) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 16 05:23:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2GAIhH16172; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 05:18:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 05:18:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030316101837.6826.qmail@web40501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 02:18:37 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Dragging Instruments Around To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <006701c2eba0$3663cc80$8161f93f@global> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5DsY3B.A.j8D.D-Ed-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Rick, Congratulations buddy! is funny that you talk about calabash music they are marketing our CD now and they seem to be serious about their business. Say Rick, can you please explain how you feed the repeater into the EDP and viceversa? If you record something in stereo into the repeater send it to the EDP and back then you the stereo signal is killed,no? i am just learning about setting up my equipmet with a mixer and it sounds interesting what you are doing. Thanx bubba L.a --- "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" wrote: > > Wow, talk about the shchlepp from hell: > > Tonight I play the Calabash Awards (with the genius > who has what looks like > an airport > at his feet when he plays,my brother Bill) > and I have to play different instruments on every > song (we are the ethnic > looping > 'pit orchestra' for this professional ethnic arts > award show) > > AND..........I am an awardee this year as well > (thank you, thank you, I > want to thank my mother and ............) so I have > to take a second looping > set up to > do my solo piece. > > which brings me to my philosophy of schleppage: > > Mark Sottilaro wrote about not wanting to set up and > tear down his studio > everytime > (a reason why I owned three professional drumsets > during the 80's and 90's: > one for the recording studio ready to go, one to > teach with and one at the > rehearsal hall). > > I definitely relate, Mark.........I have always > noticed that once the gig is > over, I'm tired and don't feel like setting up > everything again and > sometimes won't compose for several days............ > > ..........until I got my PC system.........now, > oddly enough, I never use > my performance looping rigs in my recording process > (except on the last CD > where I minidisced 22 live tunes). > > The computer writing process is soooooo deep that I > am a long ways from > running out of ways to be creative in it. > > For live gigging, I have two set ups: > > 1) The 'festival' setup which has (until tonight > when one of them died, > dammit) two > line 6 footpedals and a harmonizer and now, my > Vocal 300 (which I'm in > love with) > > This setup is really low tech, fits on a modest > single footpedal board and > makes me be more zen in my playing because i have to > concentrate on being in > love with the sounds > that I make (as opposed to how many delicious ways I > can mangle > them-----Michael Klobuchar, you are a > god...........LOL) > > and > > 2) My "i get to play anything I damn well please at > this show because I can > take as long as I like to set up" rig: > > Mackie Powered Monitors, Mackie Mixer, Repeater (fed > into EDP), EDP (fed > into Repeater), Lexicon MX 500 verb and the > aforementioned Vocal 300 plus a > plethora of instruments (including synths, samplers, > basses, wind synth, > guitar (if I have the courage to actually play it in > public)and a zillion > other percussive and found objects. > > No gig's gear is ever exactly the same as I love to > surprise myself (much to > the chagrin of my poor brother who has to put up > with my tech > freakouts------which are legion and > frequent........LOL............thanks, > Bill, I love you dearly for putting up with me. > > > I do have to say that the old back has gotten > noticeably older in recent > years though > and the thought of a laptop running things is pretty > sexy to me (and > probably out of reach for many of the reasons that > Kim elucidated. > > Come on gang, where's that really articulate > rebuttal to Kim's ascertions? > Who only uses a laptop and things it's the cat's > meow.........I want to hear > from you!!! > > I'm still not completely sold on buying a laptop. > > okay, enough blathering...........later, Rick > (who will be no longer be a dulcimer performance > virgin after tomorrow > night.....LOL) > > > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 16 07:06:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2GC1YB23489; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 07:01:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 07:01:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006101c2ebbc$25273260$0100a8c0@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <004801c2e9c8$bd1eab70$0200a8c0@akadev.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030314110430.045b9ea0@loopers-delight.com> <004301c2ea7c$892039b0$a538fc0c@amd> <00b701c2eb9e$1ebda3a0$29d74c51@GarethWhittock> Subject: AudioMulch (2.9ms latency)... (was: Re: laptop live) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 05:01:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <9PaEk.A.5uF.eeGd-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick, et al.- It's confirmed. AudioMulch will give me 2.9ms latency on my P4 1.7Ghz (desktop), with Aardvark's newest ASIO Q10 drivers (set the ASIO buffer size to 128 in the Aardvark Control Panel). AudioMulch will be my new best friend. Gareth's suggestion for looping with AudioMulch is brilliant. Although, it will by no means replace an EDP or Repeater for most people. -J P.S. $50 is a reasonable registration fee. I will pay that. If all audio software was that cheap, everyone would buy it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gareth Whittock" To: Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 1:25 AM Subject: Re: laptop live > >from jesse ray > > What I want to know is how low is your latency with AudioMulch, and what > > hardware are you using? I downloaded and installed AudioMulch yesterday > and > > I can't get less than 11ms latency. I need sub-5ms latency to use > > AudioMulch live with the kind of rhythmicly intense stuff I'm doing. > > Latency is set by the ASIO drivers on your sound card. My latency is about > 12ms - I think - apparently it's possible to go down to 3ms but I've never > bothered - since sound travels at about a foot per millisecond the > difference you're talking about is the difference between playing right next > to your monitors and playing about 6 feet away. Maybe the difference is in > your head or maybe I'm just a sloppy player - I don't feel it. Anyway with > 3ms you wont either. > > Gareth > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 16 09:42:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2GEbjY02235; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 09:37:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 09:37:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Delay Mode.. Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 09:37:42 -0500 Message-ID: <000201c2ebc9$9a8115a0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20030315230330.007c0310@pop.earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h2GEbiM02208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the reply this might be useful either way I got this one from Gary which seems like it might be more of what I was looking for Hi-- I use a PMC-10 with Loop IV--and have a foot pedal setup to set loop time thusly: I am using a quantized setting on the EDP, which requires double presses of the EDP foot controller, so using MIDI, I duplicate them as follows: Multiply twice--record twice. If you are unquantized, only one press of each is necessary. So using the PMC as a momentary, I can set loop size and record new material with a single press/release. To review: Multiply/Record creates a new loop the size of which is determined by the time they are pressed. If you are using quantize=on, two presses of each is required. That will set your loop time. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Goddess [mailto:thefates@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 1:04 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Delay Mode.. Oops, forgot to mention that I do this in loop mode. Smiles, Cara At 10:43 PM 3/15/03 -0700, you wrote: > Personally, I always use sus record, so I can get very quick samples of >audio with only one press and hold of a pedal. -With the feedback less >than 100% and overdub enabled, you can get an easily changeable >delay-like feel this way. -Hope this helps... > >Smiles, > >CQ > >At 11:05 AM 3/15/03 -0500, you wrote: >>Hi >>Does anyone have any learned advice on how to better control the delay >>length on the EDP beside start record, end record. I want to use it as a >>delay device too and would like to reduce the distraction of the >>aforementioned method. I have an FCB for controlling the EDP, but sometimes >>find that fiddling about with the pedals sometimes reduces my concentration >>on the music and playing, any advice on this one? >> >>Al >> >> > > >--- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and >eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." > >http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > >Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 16 09:52:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2GElgw03018; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 09:47:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 09:47:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030316144736.76833.qmail@web80205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 06:47:36 -0800 (PST) From: Kirkland Mack Subject: Re: Volume pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <009301c2eb35$17f7b920$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1658904989-1047826056=:73753" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1658904989-1047826056=:73753 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii So I'm guessing Morley doesn't make a stereo/pan volume pedal? It would be just typical if there were no stereo, optical volume pedals in production anywhere. No matter what you want to buy, you can usually be sure you won't find something that doesn't have obvious shortcomings. One of these days, I'm going to get fed up and start my own volume pedal/guitar synth/stompbox/amplifier business. --0-1658904989-1047826056=:73753 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

So I'm guessing Morley doesn't make a stereo/pan volume pedal? It would be just typical if there were no stereo, optical volume pedals in production anywhere. No matter what you want to buy, you can usually be sure you won't find something that doesn't have obvious shortcomings. One of these days, I'm going to get fed up and start my own volume pedal/guitar synth/stompbox/amplifier business.

--0-1658904989-1047826056=:73753-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 16 10:31:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2GFQtw07565; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 10:26:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 10:26:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Setting Loop Size with Windowing Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 07:26:43 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <000201c2ebc9$9a8115a0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Multiply/Record process is now called "windowing"--this allows you to create a new loop with the "old" stuff even when Overdub is off. It also allows you access to the "old" thru Undo . . . So can the FCB do momentary? Gary At 6:38 AM Sunday, March 16, 2003 You wrote: Thanks for the reply this might be useful either way I got this one from Gary which seems like it might be more of what I was looking for To review: Multiply/Record creates a new loop the size of which is determined by the time they are pressed. If you are using quantize=on, two presses of each is required. That will set your loop time. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Goddess [mailto:thefates@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 1:04 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Delay Mode.. Oops, forgot to mention that I do this in loop mode. Smiles, Cara At 10:43 PM 3/15/03 -0700, you wrote: > Personally, I always use sus record, so I can get very quick samples of >audio with only one press and hold of a pedal. -With the feedback less >than 100% and overdub enabled, you can get an easily changeable >delay-like feel this way. -Hope this helps... > >Smiles, > >CQ > >At 11:05 AM 3/15/03 -0500, you wrote: >>Hi >>Does anyone have any learned advice on how to better control the delay >>length on the EDP beside start record, end record. I want to use it as a >>delay device too and would like to reduce the distraction of the >>aforementioned method. I have an FCB for controlling the EDP, but sometimes >>find that fiddling about with the pedals sometimes reduces my concentration >>on the music and playing, any advice on this one? >> >>Al From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 16 10:36:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2GFWie08051; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 10:32:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 10:32:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030316153238.32482.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 07:32:38 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: remix (was echoplex sighting) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200303152051.h2FKpnM30557@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- billfox@fast.net wrote: > using other artists' material can be done in a > way that wouldn't make you uncomfortable. A few years ago several of us on the list (led by Matt Davignon) did a project called 'SourceProduct' that consisted of two CDs. The first disc ('Source') was full of source material compiled/played/found by the respective contributors, and the second disc ('Product') was musical pieces formed using *only* the material on the first disc remixed and assembled into some very different 'tunes'. The whole thing *used* to be posted on MP3.com before they went to their stupid three-tracks per artist policy. (Even though there are 12 of us on the album, it counts as one artist...) The release of the project's been delayed by a dropped ball in the packaging department... Any news on a 'Plan B', Matt? -t- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 16 10:49:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2GFjU309252; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 10:45:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 10:45:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Setting Loop Size with Windowing Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 10:45:28 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c2ebd3$1242a6e0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h2GFjUM09225 Resent-Message-ID: <5wa0k.A.cQC.awJd-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am not absolutely sure but the FCB does send a non-explicit note off and it seems operationally to behave as a momentary switch. I also appear to get a long press too -----Original Message----- From: Clayton Gary Lehmann [mailto:healthquestrecruiter@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 10:27 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Setting Loop Size with Windowing The Multiply/Record process is now called "windowing"--this allows you to create a new loop with the "old" stuff even when Overdub is off. It also allows you access to the "old" thru Undo . . . So can the FCB do momentary? Gary At 6:38 AM Sunday, March 16, 2003 You wrote: Thanks for the reply this might be useful either way I got this one from Gary which seems like it might be more of what I was looking for To review: Multiply/Record creates a new loop the size of which is determined by the time they are pressed. If you are using quantize=on, two presses of each is required. That will set your loop time. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Goddess [mailto:thefates@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 1:04 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Delay Mode.. Oops, forgot to mention that I do this in loop mode. Smiles, Cara At 10:43 PM 3/15/03 -0700, you wrote: > Personally, I always use sus record, so I can get very quick samples of >audio with only one press and hold of a pedal. -With the feedback less >than 100% and overdub enabled, you can get an easily changeable >delay-like feel this way. -Hope this helps... > >Smiles, > >CQ > >At 11:05 AM 3/15/03 -0500, you wrote: >>Hi >>Does anyone have any learned advice on how to better control the delay >>length on the EDP beside start record, end record. I want to use it as >>a delay device too and would like to reduce the distraction of the >>aforementioned method. I have an FCB for controlling the EDP, but sometimes >>find that fiddling about with the pedals sometimes reduces my concentration >>on the music and playing, any advice on this one? >> >>Al From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 16 11:02:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2GFvQE10381; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 10:57:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 10:57:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030316155720.24142.qmail@web80203.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 07:57:20 -0800 (PST) From: Kirkland Mack Subject: MPC2000/Beatbox/Zoom sample track st224 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002901c2eb3a$f97e26e0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-840796089-1047830240=:23031" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-840796089-1047830240=:23031 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm getting this itch because I want to get to work on my solo electronic+looping project. Bands just aren't working for me, so I want one of them miniature electro band-in-a-box things to start programming. In case you're wondering I'm something of a newbie in the area of electronic gear. The MPC2000 has always appealled to me, but I'm interested in hearing some of your opinions. A lot of you seem to be fans of the Zoom Sampletrack, and I'm wondering if you think it's a good alternative. Is the MPC2000 overpriced? Whatever I buy, I would like to have the option to transfer material from finale, reaktor and reason to it but I figure this is always possible via midi and sampling. Just to give you an idea what I'm about, I'm going to be programming structured sequences from samples or non-drum sounds that don't repeat themselves and have lots of dynamics, metric modulation, tempo changes and such. The more ability to store real time tweaks in memory, the better. I want to be able to make my music as human as possible and as electronic as possible. I'm a big fan of Aphex Twin and more recently, Autechre. If you can picture Aphex Twin programming his own take on Frank Zappa's Black Page no. 2 or I Promise Not to Come in Your Mouth, then you're on the right track. I'd love to hear your thoughts and advice. - Kirkland --0-840796089-1047830240=:23031 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

I'm getting this itch because I want to get to work on my solo electronic+looping project. Bands just aren't working for me, so I want one of them miniature electro band-in-a-box things to start programming. In case you're wondering I'm something of a newbie in the area of electronic gear. The MPC2000 has always appealled to me, but I'm interested in hearing some of your opinions. A lot of you seem to be fans of the Zoom Sampletrack, and I'm wondering if you think it's a good alternative. Is the MPC2000 overpriced? Whatever I buy, I would like to have the option to transfer material from finale, reaktor and reason to it but I figure this is always possible via midi and sampling. Just to give you an idea what I'm about, I'm going to be programming structured sequences from samples or non-drum sounds that don't repeat themselves and have lots of dynamics, metric modulation, tempo changes and such. The more ability to store real time tweaks in memory, the better. I want to be able to make my music as human as possible and as electronic as possible. I'm a big fan of Aphex Twin and more recently, Autechre. If you can picture Aphex Twin programming his own take on Frank Zappa's Black Page no. 2 or I Promise Not to Come in Your Mouth, then you're on the right track. I'd love to hear your thoughts and advice. - Kirkland

--0-840796089-1047830240=:23031-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 16 13:38:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2GIXNU29468; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 13:33:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 13:33:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4F07DB40-55C4-11D7-AE78-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> References: <4F07DB40-55C4-11D7-AE78-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 15:33:57 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: line 6 dl4 mod? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think you mix up things: one is that "the old-scool delays" have a sample clock easily changable because there is no processor (or just for display control and such) and the old AD converters work at any clock, while the actual ones have an internal DSP that needs a constant clock. the other one is that there are basically two ways of organizing the sound on the memory. The EDP does it like a tape, the JamMan and Repeater like a sampler. So "the EDP is a sampler-style device" sounds wrong, although it also has sampler functions. This issue is explained better in previous posts. >A few years ago someone (I believe it was Kim) explained two >different approaches to looping devices, which (as I recall) were >delay versus sampler. I believe this was in response to a request >that the EDP be upgraded to include the pitch-shift effects you can >get with old-school delays through turning the delay time knob, and >the short version of it all seemed to boil down to "sampler-style >architecture makes it very difficult to do this while delay-style >architecture makes it easy, and the EDP is a sampler-style device" >(the Akai Headrush came out around that time and also lacked the >feature I think you're hoping for). >This is probably an oversimplification on my part, but as far as >your DL4-modding desire, I suspect the answer is "No, or not unless >you can find someone who can write new software for the DL-4 and >burn it into an EPROM". ...which is totally unrealistic :-( > >TH > >On Thursday, March 13, 2003, at 05:35 PM, >Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > >>I am new to the list and have a question for anybody out there who might >>be able to help me. I am in love with both the Line 6 DL4 and the >>Digitech PDS 8000. Is there anyone who can mod a DL4 to emulate aspects >>of the PDS 8000, i.e. the features of just entering bits of sounds into >>a loop and pitch modulation? Or is there a device that does all of this >>that is small and portable? Basically I just want to carry one piece >>and be able to do it all. Am I asking too much? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 16 13:38:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2GIXUR29505; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 13:33:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 13:33:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200303141647.AA666960100@mail.unitcircle.com> References: <200303141647.AA666960100@mail.unitcircle.com> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 15:34:07 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Volume pedals (was Re: Rack Setup) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <0fD9q.A.4MH.6NMd-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I've got two ernie ball volume pedals and I love them, but my older >mono one has started crackling a bit through the ouput when I'm >moving it, and now when it's at the bottom, it is allowing some >bleed unless I stand on it. I'm guess that the second part is due >to the string/spring getting stretched? Not sure about the first >part. Anyone seen this before or know how I can fix it? "bleed" usually can be mechanically adjusted: just loosen the potentiometer a bit and turn it so its really closed when the pedal is all down. Sometimes there is an even easier way to adjust just the tooth wheel or so. another problem is that some pedals dont use the whole rotation angle of the potentiometer, so it never goes to full volume. The Bespeco is not just the cheapest but also mechanically well made, at least in this respect. I found that one of the critical points for the pot is the pressure on the axis. This depends on the construction and on the pot itself. I made exellent experiences with the Bourns 90 series. They have very little mechanical resistence, so the whole system works with less force. I pedal a lot and they work for at least 5 years. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 16 14:10:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2GJ4Tu01312; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 14:04:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 14:04:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030316190423.93293.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 11:04:23 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: dragging instruments around To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030315055536.61338.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My attitude towards gear schleppage goes back and forth like a pendulum. Since I like to use a wide variety of instruments, that entails carrying a lot of stuff, and then of course it goes to figure that if I *have* a processor, it might as well be wired in and accessible, so the rack/pedalboard grows exponentially. Guitars in different tunings on stands, spares for things I use a lot... It's great; everything I use is at my feet or fingertips. My solution to the setup time problem is (like many of you also do) to use a pedalboard and a rack where everything, mixer and all, stays wired; just pop 'em out of their cases, plug in a couple of cords, and you're ready to go. My full rig only takes about five minutes to set up. Once it's transported, that is... (You can see it in the photos section at ) One downside, though, is the effect that the sheer bulk and weight of such a system has on spontaneous creativity. I live in a second-story apartment. If a friend calls and says "Let's play", it's a fairly major deal to transport the full rig alone, even if the actual setup is efficient. And, depending on the gig, I don't always need multi-instrument looping capability. Since the rack/pedalboard system is pretty involved and a lot of work went into it, I've been reluctant to tear it apart to 'smallerize' it, and then not have the full setup as an option. But I've just found a happy medium; without disassembling the big board (with its built-in power supplies and routed cabling), I've just built a smaller one (24" x 19") into which I can pop selected pedals. Right now it consists of (in order) a Rolls 4-in 1-out passive mixer, an ancient Guyatone Z-II overdrive, an EQ, a Mister CryBaby volume/wah, a Boss delay (a PS-2 which isn't working correctly, so this might be a DD-3), a DigiTech DigiVerb whose two outputs go to a Headrush and an RC-20, each of which go to a small 1-12" combo amp. There's a power suppy, an AC strip and a little output box on the board as well, and the cover fits onto it so it carries like a suitcase. It's all carpeted so the pedals velcro right down to it. If I want to use the full system, all I have to do is put the pedals back on... So... I've been getting into working with the limitations imposed by using a smaller rig. One thing I really miss is the ability to fade non-synched loops in and out with the mixer, but I (sort of) found a work-around this morning. I took some 1.5" rubber protective feet and pressed them down onto the 'level' controls of the Headrush and the RC-20. (I made little indicator labels for them so I can see the setting.) Now I can fade the loop in or out with the side of my foot while playing! It had annoyed me that neither of these pedals have separate wet/dry outs, but this way it works to my advantage as when I fade out one of the loopers, the straight signal is still going through the other one. It's not full-range, and therefore not suited to looping multi-instruments, but for a simple guitar looping rig, it's working pretty well. I'll post a shot of the small pedalboard at the above link soon... -t- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 16 14:45:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2GJfAG05580; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 14:41:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 14:41:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.116.254.18] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V03 #202 Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 11:41:03 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Mar 2003 19:41:03.0569 (UTC) FILETIME=[FAB74410:01C2EBF3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Speaking of schleppage, I have the second handicap of not having a car - so I must be able to carry everything I use at once and fit it on public transportation. Since last year's "Found Objects" show, I've been using that kind of setup for live performances. I bring a mixer, two DOD-DFX 94's, a casio sk-1, a microphone and a contact mic. If you combine that with all the junk that I actually make sounds with (an assortment of bottles, office supplies and cat toys), I'm usually carrying about 70 pounds for a few miles whenever I have a show. If I have to bring my PA, that's even worse, since it keeps falling off my ¿!#@$% rolley cart when I'm crossing the street. That's much different from my "Tape Recorder" setup, which all fits in a backpack. But if you want to talk about schleppage nightmares, here's a tank-looking effects board on ebay that weighs 90 pounds! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2514813456&category=7266 re: Laptops Up in San Francisco, there's a buttload of musicians who improvise with laptops. In the upcoming Big Sur Experimental Music Festival, it's the 2nd most common instrument after guitar (10 out of 100 musicians are listed as "laptop"). One of the guys, Peter Nyboer, has been developing a piece of software called "Girl", specifically for live looping and loop-based improvisations. He has it available at http://girl.yowstar.com/. Matt _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 16 16:48:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2GLi5p20249; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 16:44:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 16:44:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030316144736.76833.qmail@web80205.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030316144736.76833.qmail@web80205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:44:40 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Volume pedals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >So I'm guessing Morley doesn't make a stereo/pan volume pedal? It >would be just typical if there were no stereo, optical volume pedals >in production anywhere. No matter what you want to buy, you can >usually be sure you won't find something that doesn't have obvious >shortcomings. One of these days, I'm going to get fed up and start >my own volume pedal/guitar synth/stompbox/amplifier business. thats what I did... for the same reason... and then the clients started to complain... LOL! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 16 18:21:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2GNGvL32481; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:16:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:16:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <145.d15ba52.2ba65fe0@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:16:48 EST Subject: Re: Volume pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_145.d15ba52.2ba65fe0_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_145.d15ba52.2ba65fe0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/16/2003 9:49:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, kirklandmack@sbcglobal.net writes: > One of these days, I'm going to get fed up and start my own volume > pedal/guitar synth/stompbox/amplifier business. don't forget the loopers! =-) PJ --part1_145.d15ba52.2ba65fe0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 3/16/200= 3 9:49:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, kirklandmack@sbcglobal.net writes:


One of these days, I'm going to= get fed up and start my own volume pedal/guitar synth/stompbox/amplifier bu= siness.


don't forget the loopers! =3D-) PJ --part1_145.d15ba52.2ba65fe0_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 16 19:11:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2H06bt06537; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 19:06:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 19:06:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1ec.45f1adb.2ba66b7d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 19:06:21 EST Subject: Dragging Instruments Around To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com today i played with others and my set up was this: carvin ae 185 >sans amp gt2>zoom 2100>digi space station>rang>alesis air fx>fender "champ".....still a 1 tripper, a bag full-o-pedals, a guitar and a small "tube" amp.....if you muck about with the zoom 2100 you can get some pretty wacky sounds that you can then re-wackerize with the space station.....the rang then allows for reverse, speed up or slow down, stutter type stuff and then the magic of the alesis air fx to totally warp out the maddness.....i ask myself "why do i have a rack with a mixer and 3 electrix boxes at home?".....i figure its because at home i am really concerned with "my sound" (composition) and i am not playing with others (free improv).....in fact, first one here gets the jello!.....ill send the first one to e-mail me a cd of todays outing, a part of the "KLUTTER" project (drums, bass, guitar/loops) i would love some feedback on this "music".....im dyin to gig out with this outfit.....perhaps D.C. LOOPFEST if they will have us.....bottom line: im very happy with my small set-up and so is my back.....:).....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 16 19:38:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2H0VeP09256; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 19:31:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 19:31:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003701c2ec24$ee53c3c0$a538fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <20030316144736.76833.qmail@web80205.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: EDP sighting... Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 17:31:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <8prrvB.A.fQC.rdRd-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm sure everybody knows That 1 Guy uses the EDP, but if you go to the website www.that1guy.com and download the "One" video, at the very beginning the camera pans past some of his gear on the floor and there's a blonde EDP smiling up at us. -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 16 20:28:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2H1OBo15525; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:24:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:24:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:24:02 EST Subject: pc audio on mac To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just curious if any mac users out there have used the Virtual PC software to run Fruity Loops or other Windows audio software? Are there messy intra-system issues? Were you satisfied with functionality? Comments? Thanks BobC The Thumb Piano Project www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 16 21:29:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2H2LaS21361; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 21:21:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 21:21:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:19:16 -0600 Subject: OT - WTB: Roland GP-16 From: adam To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200303142113.h2ELD4016723@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello - Just wondering if anyone on the list has a Roland GP-16 they are willing to sell? Must be in working condition. Please contact me privately... Thanks Adam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 16 23:33:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2H4LKX29369; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 23:21:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 23:21:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 19:26:49 -0800 Subject: Re: pc audio on mac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <4A2AE658-5828-11D7-AA06-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Won't happen. Audio apps like to talk directly to hardware. Virtual PC won't do that. It's an emulator. I've tried it. Doesn't work. I don't know Fruity Loops, but I'm sure there must be a similar Mac app. Mark On Sunday, March 16, 2003, at 05:24 PM, Aptrev@aol.com wrote: > Just curious if any mac users out there have used the Virtual PC > software to > run Fruity Loops or other Windows audio software? > > Are there messy intra-system issues? Were you satisfied with > functionality? > > Comments? > > Thanks > BobC > > The Thumb Piano Project > www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject > http://trundlebox.iuma.com > http://brokenaxe.iuma.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 00:53:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2H5lYY08490; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 00:47:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 00:47:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 21:47:31 -0800 Subject: Re: Dragging Instruments Around Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <006701c2eba0$3663cc80$8161f93f@global> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Another aspect of the Laptop is the performance issue. BORING. I once went to a big new music fest and my wife and I walked out when a guy sat down with a laptop and began to produce what seemed like slightly edgy techno. (IDM). We looked at each other and said, "Would it matter if that was all coming from the CD player in is Laptop?" The answer was: NO. Look at Hans. That wall of gear is part of the show. So fun to watch him tame COLUSSUS: THE FORBIN PROJECT. Coupled with a sequence of wardrobe changes that would make Cher jealous, you've got one hell of a show... even if all his gear fails! (Sorry to rub it in Hans, I love you and your music!) However, I feel that often I'm not that far away from the laptop guy. At the ascension show we were in the dark in a corner. I'm positive that most people weren't aware the music was live. Didn't really matter on some level. A lot of people were there and seemed to be having fun. We were the "ambient" reception music, so that's OK. BUT: What if I had recorded a really killer set in Digital Performer the night before, burned it to discs and showed up with a DJ setup. One of those Pioneer CD players an iBook and a mixer. Would there have been any difference? I'm not sure I think so. Should I become a DJ of my own music? I think people are doing this. Anyone here doing this? Could be a good way to go for this type of event. (where dancing and socializing are the focus) When it's more of a show (like Loopstock) then you go for performance mode. What do people think? I saw Bjork live where she had someone who looked like he was "performing" ProTools while she sung. OK, there was a string orchestra too. Anyway, it worked for me. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, March 16, 2003, at 01:41 AM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: > > I'm still not completely sold on buying a laptop. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 01:42:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2H6XcT14175; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 01:33:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 01:33:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003d01c2ec4e$d100f3e0$78c94c51@GarethWhittock> From: "Gareth Whittock" To: References: Subject: Re: To DJ or not to DJ - that is the question Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 06:29:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <2DfRoC.A.ZdD.CxWd-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Funnily enough, at my next gig I'll be opening in DJ stylie. I've been umming and ahhing for ages about the pros and cons of a DJ approach so I've decided to give it a go and see what happens. I'll be playing chill out music from others as well as myself and filtering, delaying - LOOPING of course. Later on I'll be playing my own bizzarre guitarre ambient ethnic stuff as usual. I'll keep the group posted on the results. Incidentally, I agree about watching a guy with just a laptop - boring as hell if he's not doing anything else.DJ's are not particularly watchable - the focus is elsewhere - on the feet or in some rarely visited part of the brain. Gareth Should I become a DJ of my > own music? I think people are doing this. Anyone here doing this? > Could be a good way to go for this type of event. (where dancing and > socializing are the focus) When it's more of a show (like Loopstock) > then you go for performance mode. What do people think? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 02:43:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2H7cHs21515; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 02:38:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 02:38:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007a01c2ec60$86f4c940$a538fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: Subject: "Dragging Instruments Around" meets "laptop live"... Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 00:38:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So, here's an idea, folks: Hook up your laptop screen to a projector are project what you are seeing -- or, at the very least, get some kind of audio visualizer program and project the output of that on a big screen behind you. If you intend to connect with the widest possible audience, you must include some kind of visual element in your performance. Tim Reynolds projects slides behind himself when he plays. And stand up. How much energy can you be putting into your performance if you're sitting down? I know I would rather sit down and play all the time, and I probably play better sitting down (because I always practice sitting down), but you will get over more often if you stand up. Ah, the harsh realities of presenting to the public. ***DANGER***: HERE FOLLOWS AN EXTENSIVE RANT ABOUT JOE AVERAGE'S PERCEPTION OF MUSIC. It seems to me that most people who aren't musicians don't actually *listen* to music. They *watch* music. If music is on at home or in the car, they are usually not aware of anything other than the words. If the music is such that it asserts itself into the forefront of the environment, demanding attention, (e.g. Meshuggah, Squarepusher, or basically anything with above-average musical density in any respect [harmonically, rhythmically, melodically]) the average joe or joan will feel uneasy (translates into "dislike"). The negative effects of higher-than-normal compositional density seem to be circumventable by adding plenty of humor (e.g. Frank Zappa), or at the very least lots of very easily understandable lyrics presented in familiar melodic patterns (e.g. Dave Matthews). But, in general, the whole idea of music without words doesn't make sense to the vast majority of people who grow up on MTV and commercial radio. I see this all the time when I play an opening instrumental set with a jazz quartet, then a singer joins us for the second set. All of a sudden people look up and start to pay attention because there is someone singing words. The minute she sits down and we play an instrumental, eyes are back to the beer glasses and soup bowls and the talking resumes. And it's not because the singers I play with are really great and we suck. No words = no music. It's just the way some [the majority?] people are. I guess it comes down to giving people something that they can relate to. People can relate to someone singing, because everyone has tried it at some point. People can relate to someone who looks like they're working really hard (the "fuck face" as Jimmy George put it -- hahahahah), because most people have worked hard at something before. Most people can't relate to John Coltrane's playing on Interstellar Space, because it doesn't obviously relate to tonal music, which is the extent of most people's experience of music. Most people can't relate to a guy standing there with a laptop "making" music, because, if anything, maybe they've picked up a guitar, or banged on a drum one or twice in their lives, so this is how they understand music is made (hence the benefit of dragging around and playing a bunch of instruments). Only someone who knows something about what is involved in the creation of music on a computer will be interested in what's happening. But, as we only see the plastic shell of the laptop and not the screen there's not really much point to getting really interested, because you will never get the pay off. But, it all depends on who your target audience is. Music geeks have a higher tolerance for musical density, and lack of "show." Just like authors, when reading, have a higher tolerance for literary references and focus on character development, rather than plot development and action. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 9:47 PM Subject: Re: Dragging Instruments Around > Another aspect of the Laptop is the performance issue. BORING. I once > went to a big new music fest and my wife and I walked out when a guy > sat down with a laptop and began to produce what seemed like slightly > edgy techno. (IDM). We looked at each other and said, "Would it > matter if that was all coming from the CD player in is Laptop?" The > answer was: NO. > > Look at Hans. That wall of gear is part of the show. So fun to watch > him tame COLUSSUS: THE FORBIN PROJECT. Coupled with a sequence of > wardrobe changes that would make Cher jealous, you've got one hell of a > show... even if all his gear fails! (Sorry to rub it in Hans, I love > you and your music!) > > However, I feel that often I'm not that far away from the laptop guy. > At the ascension show we were in the dark in a corner. I'm positive > that most people weren't aware the music was live. Didn't really > matter on some level. A lot of people were there and seemed to be > having fun. We were the "ambient" reception music, so that's OK. BUT: > What if I had recorded a really killer set in Digital Performer the > night before, burned it to discs and showed up with a DJ setup. One of > those Pioneer CD players an iBook and a mixer. Would there have been > any difference? I'm not sure I think so. Should I become a DJ of my > own music? I think people are doing this. Anyone here doing this? > Could be a good way to go for this type of event. (where dancing and > socializing are the focus) When it's more of a show (like Loopstock) > then you go for performance mode. What do people think? > > I saw Bjork live where she had someone who looked like he was > "performing" ProTools while she sung. OK, there was a string orchestra > too. Anyway, it worked for me. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Sunday, March 16, 2003, at 01:41 AM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: > > > > I'm still not completely sold on buying a laptop. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 03:43:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2H8Zhi27295; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 03:35:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 03:35:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030315055536.61338.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030315055536.61338.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 05:36:22 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: when loopers ruled the earth..... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this is amazing! Years of work and a lot of love... http://home.cfl.rr.com/ourthings/audioequip1.jpg http://home.cfl.rr.com/ourthings/pedalboardfront.jpg look, he uses "kick-footswitches"! http://home.cfl.rr.com/ourthings/pedalboardleft.jpg looks as if he added more heads to the Roland Echo: http://home.cfl.rr.com/ourthings/chorusechotop.jpg >Please identify the following > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2514813456 > > >Is it- > >a) Kim's 5th grade show-&-tell project? > >b) Ace Frehley's bedroom rig? > >c) proof that the Soviets invented DSP? > > > >===== >John Tidwell > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online >http://webhosting.yahoo.com -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 03:47:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2H8dgv27600; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 03:39:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 03:39:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: "Dragging Instruments Around" meets "laptop live" --> visuals Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:39:36 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000101c2ec60$bdcadf40$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <007a01c2ec60$86f4c940$a538fc0c@amd> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h2H8dfM27575 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Från: Jesse Ray Lucas [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net] > > So, here's an idea, folks: Hook up your laptop screen to > a projector are project what you are seeing -- or, at the > very least, get some kind of audio visualizer program and > project the output of that on a big screen behind you. Hi Jesse, A nice and easy software for this IMHO is the MP3 player Sonique, www.sonique.com (only PC, sorry). It has the best visual plug-ins I've seen and now you can set the program to play interactive graphics from the laptops built in mic. So on the first not you play the space around you will start to bend around light and darkness, and then follow the music as you go. Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com --> 1st Swedish Looping Festival From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 03:49:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2H8fCC27764; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 03:41:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 03:41:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001501c2eb43$733e3cb0$542f04d1@home> References: <001501c2eb43$733e3cb0$542f04d1@home> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 05:41:52 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: Dragging Instruments Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Gator makes one, and it rocks. Keep all the plugs in the mixer, just >open the top and go. >http://www.gatorcases.com/sections/prdct/proaudio/console_rack.htm >I think there are a few on Ebay now. I got my 10x6 rack on Ebay for >$100, new, a MARS store liquidation, I think. > >Dave Eichenberger >http://www.hazardfactor.com > Dave, thank you for that hint, looks like a good idea, just: how do the cables from the top stay connected to the main box? dont you stress them by opening? how do you access the units in the top? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 03:54:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2H8jYu28203; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 03:45:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 03:45:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 05:46:14 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Dragging Instruments Around Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com basically depends on whether its fun for you. I people can feel that, some people probably will start dig it. I just cannot imagine having fun without holding a string or touching some sensible surface... but thats me... > >However, I feel that often I'm not that far away from the laptop >guy. At the ascension show we were in the dark in a corner. I'm >positive that most people weren't aware the music was live. Didn't >really matter on some level. A lot of people were there and seemed >to be having fun. We were the "ambient" reception music, so that's >OK. BUT: What if I had recorded a really killer set in Digital >Performer the night before, burned it to discs and showed up with a >DJ setup. One of those Pioneer CD players an iBook and a mixer. >Would there have been any difference? I'm not sure I think so. >Should I become a DJ of my own music? I think people are doing >this. Anyone here doing this? Could be a good way to go for this >type of event. (where dancing and socializing are the focus) When >it's more of a show (like Loopstock) then you go for performance >mode. What do people think? > >I saw Bjork live where she had someone who looked like he was >"performing" ProTools while she sung. OK, there was a string >orchestra too. Anyway, it worked for me. > >Mark Sottilaro > >On Sunday, March 16, 2003, at 01:41 AM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: >> >>I'm still not completely sold on buying a laptop. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 05:02:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2H9sDq02997; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 04:54:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 04:54:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030317025857.009b5c90@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 02:58:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: "Dragging Instruments Around" meets "laptop live"... In-Reply-To: <007a01c2ec60$86f4c940$a538fc0c@amd> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is an interesting topic. Jimmy, perhaps you'll chime in with your impressions of watchin' me last night for my set, like ya said this mornin'?! lol! Anyway, Personally, I like to engage the audience in as many ways as I can, whether it's something visual or verbal a smile, or just playin' as intensely as I can, and prefereably all of the afore mentioned! lol! I actually prefer to stand up and move, but usually have so many pedals to keep track of without visual feedback that I need to sit to play as seemlessly as I'd like. I tend to get looked at anyway, just in everyday activities. lol! -I'm tall, blonde, and play a weird guitar! lollollol! -and weird music! lol! Re: singing, I think part of it is that we're used to looking at people when they talk to us, so we give a singer attention. -which they deserve. -With instrumental music, it can go either way. For that, you can draw attention in other ways. Dress, (-or undress! lol!) attitude, actions, or just the process of creation itself. Can you make it interesting for an audience? Can you show them that you're actually glad, or paying attention that they're there? Those things can go a long long way to keeping their interest and attention. Can you keep the music itself interesting? Can ya get them to move? -or recognize something about it so they get involved? These are all ideas a performer can work with? Anyway, -just my thoughts... Great topic!... Smiles, Cara At 12:38 AM 3/17/03 -0800, you wrote: > So, here's an idea, folks: Hook up your laptop screen to a projector are >project what you are seeing -- or, at the very least, get some kind of audio >visualizer program and project the output of that on a big screen behind >you. If you intend to connect with the widest possible audience, you must >include some kind of visual element in your performance. Tim Reynolds >projects slides behind himself when he plays. > > And stand up. How much energy can you be putting into your performance >if you're sitting down? I know I would rather sit down and play all the >time, and I probably play better sitting down (because I always practice >sitting down), but you will get over more often if you stand up. Ah, the >harsh realities of presenting to the public. > > >***DANGER***: HERE FOLLOWS AN EXTENSIVE RANT ABOUT JOE AVERAGE'S PERCEPTION >OF MUSIC. > > It seems to me that most people who aren't musicians don't actually >*listen* to music. They *watch* music. If music is on at home or in the >car, they are usually not aware of anything other than the words. If the >music is such that it asserts itself into the forefront of the environment, >demanding attention, (e.g. Meshuggah, Squarepusher, or basically anything >with above-average musical density in any respect [harmonically, >rhythmically, melodically]) the average joe or joan will feel uneasy >(translates into "dislike"). The negative effects of higher-than-normal >compositional density seem to be circumventable by adding plenty of humor >(e.g. Frank Zappa), or at the very least lots of very easily understandable >lyrics presented in familiar melodic patterns (e.g. Dave Matthews). But, in >general, the whole idea of music without words doesn't make sense to the >vast majority of people who grow up on MTV and commercial radio. > > I see this all the time when I play an opening instrumental set with a >jazz quartet, then a singer joins us for the second set. All of a sudden >people look up and start to pay attention because there is someone singing >words. The minute she sits down and we play an instrumental, eyes are back >to the beer glasses and soup bowls and the talking resumes. And it's not >because the singers I play with are really great and we suck. No words = no >music. It's just the way some [the majority?] people are. > > I guess it comes down to giving people something that they can relate >to. People can relate to someone singing, because everyone has tried it at >some point. People can relate to someone who looks like they're working >really hard (the "fuck face" as Jimmy George put it -- hahahahah), because >most people have worked hard at something before. Most people can't relate >to John Coltrane's playing on Interstellar Space, because it doesn't >obviously relate to tonal music, which is the extent of most people's >experience of music. Most people can't relate to a guy standing there with >a laptop "making" music, because, if anything, maybe they've picked up a >guitar, or banged on a drum one or twice in their lives, so this is how they >understand music is made (hence the benefit of dragging around and playing a >bunch of instruments). Only someone who knows something about what is >involved in the creation of music on a computer will be interested in what's >happening. But, as we only see the plastic shell of the laptop and not the >screen there's not really much point to getting really interested, because >you will never get the pay off. > > But, it all depends on who your target audience is. Music geeks have a >higher tolerance for musical density, and lack of "show." Just like >authors, when reading, have a higher tolerance for literary references and >focus on character development, rather than plot development and action. > >-J > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Sottilaro" >To: >Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 9:47 PM >Subject: Re: Dragging Instruments Around > > >> Another aspect of the Laptop is the performance issue. BORING. I once >> went to a big new music fest and my wife and I walked out when a guy >> sat down with a laptop and began to produce what seemed like slightly >> edgy techno. (IDM). We looked at each other and said, "Would it >> matter if that was all coming from the CD player in is Laptop?" The >> answer was: NO. >> >> Look at Hans. That wall of gear is part of the show. So fun to watch >> him tame COLUSSUS: THE FORBIN PROJECT. Coupled with a sequence of >> wardrobe changes that would make Cher jealous, you've got one hell of a >> show... even if all his gear fails! (Sorry to rub it in Hans, I love >> you and your music!) >> >> However, I feel that often I'm not that far away from the laptop guy. >> At the ascension show we were in the dark in a corner. I'm positive >> that most people weren't aware the music was live. Didn't really >> matter on some level. A lot of people were there and seemed to be >> having fun. We were the "ambient" reception music, so that's OK. BUT: >> What if I had recorded a really killer set in Digital Performer the >> night before, burned it to discs and showed up with a DJ setup. One of >> those Pioneer CD players an iBook and a mixer. Would there have been >> any difference? I'm not sure I think so. Should I become a DJ of my >> own music? I think people are doing this. Anyone here doing this? >> Could be a good way to go for this type of event. (where dancing and >> socializing are the focus) When it's more of a show (like Loopstock) >> then you go for performance mode. What do people think? >> >> I saw Bjork live where she had someone who looked like he was >> "performing" ProTools while she sung. OK, there was a string orchestra >> too. Anyway, it worked for me. >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> >> On Sunday, March 16, 2003, at 01:41 AM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: >> > >> > I'm still not completely sold on buying a laptop. >> > >> > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 05:06:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2H9rkS02952; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 04:53:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 04:53:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c2ec73$74f654d0$a538fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <001501c2eb43$733e3cb0$542f04d1@home> Subject: Re: Dragging Instruments Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 02:53:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Gator cases have three sets of rack rails, and covers: front, back, and top. Inside though, it's completely open. There are no dividers between the top and the bottom. This offers a lot of racking and routing options such as, if you have a couple shallow pieces of gear in the top two spaces on the front, you could put in some deeper gear into bottom rack spaces on the top. Or, since the backside rails are taller than the front, if you have something you don't need to get to the faceplate of, like a power conditioner, you can put it in the extra spaces on the back. Incidentally, I just transplanted my desktop PC to a rack-mount chassis. :) It's going to go in my Gator console rack for a visit home to Ohio. Sucker's heavy though... Rock!!! -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 12:41 AM Subject: RE: Dragging Instruments > > Gator makes one, and it rocks. Keep all the plugs in the mixer, just > >open the top and go. > >http://www.gatorcases.com/sections/prdct/proaudio/console_rack.htm > >I think there are a few on Ebay now. I got my 10x6 rack on Ebay for > >$100, new, a MARS store liquidation, I think. > > > >Dave Eichenberger > >http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > Dave, thank you for that hint, looks like a good idea, just: > how do the cables from the top stay connected to the main box? > dont you stress them by opening? > how do you access the units in the top? > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 05:08:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2HA3QK04975; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 05:03:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 05:03:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E759C68.56CDE723@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 01:59:04 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New Album Preview Part 1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't call it a comeback... I've been here for years: http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/seismic.mp3 This is a live EDP solo, and the first "single" from the forthcoming album I've been compiling for the last several months. Like the rest of the material on the album, it's several steps beyond any Echoplex solos I've made available before. This particular track sounds kind of like a late '90s jungle remix of mid-'70s Miles Davis - "Pangea" by way of "Modus Operandi," maybe. There are no drum samples, no overdubs, and no edits (apart from the fade-out) - it's one guitar through one EDP through one tube amp. Some EQ, compression/limiting, and stereo imaging was applied after the fact, but those are the only effects. (By downloading this track, you agree to absolve me of responsibility for any damage sustained to your subwoofer.) Technical geek note: quantize was turned OFF for this track, so all of the Replace action was done completely manually. The new album will run about 74 minutes, it'll contain nearly 20 tracks (including EDP solos as well as produced tracks using Echoplex performances as foundations for editing and overdubs), and it should be pressed up in a few weeks. How ya like me now, --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 09:31:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2HEM7S31031; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:22:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:22:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:21:51 -0500 From: Guywithatele@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Album Preview Part 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <5F6C2737.0239F98C.2437D650@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <93gbbB.A.vkH.Oodd-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > How ya like me now[?] Well, I've listened extensively to your material posted on your site. The micro stop-n-go stuff is alien to me as it should be. When I listen to this music, I wonder if this may be one of the paths music will take in the next 20 years. I wonder if The Doors would have foreseen Alice in Chains. Anyway, anything this innovative is bound to go through some development, fostered either by the pioneer or by the inevitable copy-cats that follow. I'm not sure that this is the end of this music's path and I do not think that it has reached its goal either. The tones collide, the rhythm is persistent in spite of the negative space, and this is obviously the artist's delight. I remember waking up one early summer's morning with a flock of starlings outside my open window. In my waking dream, I thought I was overhearing a council of alien children arguing emphatically on a nearby playground; their language was quirky, squeally, choppy and yet I dreamily knew that it made sense. I was altogether confused and annoyed that I didn't understand but lay there fascinated. I'm not making a direct analogy here, but this piece is something like that. For me, anyway. Thank you for your postings. It is always a pleasure to listen to more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 09:38:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2HEVbO32311; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:31:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:31:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: New Album Preview Part 1 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:31:30 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <002b01c2ec91$e7089e70$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <3E759C68.56CDE723@earthlink.net> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h2HEVaM32287 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Från: Andre LaFosse [mailto:altruist@earthlink.net] > http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/seismic.mp3 Wow, great song! When are you going to lay down the vocals? (he, he, just kidding ;-) Seriously, it's awesome. Very nice beat trashing IMO ;-D I like you're "no overdubbs" concept. > The new album will run about 74 minutes, it'll contain nearly That's the beauty in putting music out as an indie! No commercial label would put out anything more or less than 46 minutes of music. Cheers Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 09:47:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2HEeVE00946; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:40:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:40:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: New Album Preview Part 1 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:40:22 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <002c01c2ec93$2597acc0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <5F6C2737.0239F98C.2437D650@aol.com> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h2HEeUM00922 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Från: Guywithatele@aol.com [mailto:Guywithatele@aol.com] > > I remember waking up one early summer's morning with a flock > of starlings outside my open window. In my waking dream, I > thought I was overhearing a council of alien children arguing > emphatically on a nearby playground; their language was > quirky, squeally, choppy and yet I dreamily knew that it made > sense. Nice story ;-) Reminds me of reading about Iannis Xenakis and how he came up with the decision to be a composer. When fighting in the Greek war and was hit on the side of his head by some grenade part and while lying bleeding on the ground, half unconscious, he kept listening to the completely chaotic sounds of the bombs and gun shots. And somehow this total sonic chaos reveled it's meaning to him. This was, according to himself, what made him want to compose. Cute ;-) Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com --> 1st Swedish Looping Festival From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 10:40:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2HFa3n09900; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:36:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:36:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c2ec9a$e67b3c70$d65ff7a5@D9MS6F11> From: "The Tuned Univerese - Webmaster" To: References: <3E759C68.56CDE723@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: New Album Preview Part 1 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:35:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <4alnK.A.haC.jted-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What a wonderful and amusing composition! I enjoyed it very much. Jeff Bragg http://tuned.universe.home.mindspring.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre LaFosse" To: Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 4:59 AM Subject: New Album Preview Part 1 > Don't call it a comeback... I've been here for years: > > http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/seismic.mp3 > > This is a live EDP solo, and the first "single" from the forthcoming > album I've been compiling for the last several months. Like the rest of > the material on the album, it's several steps beyond any Echoplex solos > I've made available before. > > This particular track sounds kind of like a late '90s jungle remix of > mid-'70s Miles Davis - "Pangea" by way of "Modus Operandi," maybe. > > There are no drum samples, no overdubs, and no edits (apart from the > fade-out) - it's one guitar through one EDP through one tube amp. Some > EQ, compression/limiting, and stereo imaging was applied after the fact, > but those are the only effects. (By downloading this track, you agree > to absolve me of responsibility for any damage sustained to your subwoofer.) > > Technical geek note: quantize was turned OFF for this track, so all of > the Replace action was done completely manually. > > The new album will run about 74 minutes, it'll contain nearly 20 tracks > (including EDP solos as well as produced tracks using Echoplex > performances as foundations for editing and overdubs), and it should be > pressed up in a few weeks. > > How ya like me now, > > --Andre LaFosse > The Echoplex Analysis Pages: > http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 11:33:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2HGPmW16897; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:25:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:25:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <6c.2b687bd5.2ba75100@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:25:36 EST Subject: Re: New Album Preview Part 1 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h2HGPlM16873 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre, As always, you blow me away with your outright mastery of EDP technique and your creation of a whole new musical vocabulary. Wow! You never cease to amaze. This is quite far removed from what I heard at your CalArts recital all those years back (as wonderful and amazing as THAT was). You have taken the Echoplex so much further than I ever imagined that it is both inspiring . . . and maybe just a little bit depressing. We'll never catch up now (heheh, as if there was EVER any hope). You've developed something really unique Andre and it just keeps getting better and better. I stand aghast, flummoxed and flabbergasted. You are the master. Keep it up! And . . . oh yes, of course I'll buy a CD when it becomes available. Do you do autographs (tongue only part-way in cheek, heheh)? No really? Please pardon the perhaps gushing, appreciative blather. I'm afraid that it really can't be helped. The track is awesome. Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn ArsOcarina@aol.com http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake In a message dated 3/17/03 2:04:11 AM, altruist@earthlink.net writes: >http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/seismic.mp3 > >This is a live EDP solo, and the first "single" from the forthcoming >album I've been compiling for the last several months. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 11:42:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2HGZ1V18133; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:35:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:35:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:34:59 -0800 Subject: Re: New Album Preview Part 1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5F6C2737.0239F98C.2437D650@aol.com> Message-Id: <64F6CEDD-5896-11D7-AA06-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: <_LEBuC.A.MbE.0kfd-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Pa muuniak un looloo peah banta poodoo. Ah ah ah ah! On Monday, March 17, 2003, at 06:21 AM, Guywithatele@aol.com wrote: > Well, I've listened extensively to your material posted on your site. > The micro stop-n-go stuff is alien to me as it should be. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 11:54:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2HGgBJ19052; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:42:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:42:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Dragging Instruments Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:42:01 -0500 Message-ID: <000801c2eca4$22ac63f0$122f04d1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <001101c2ec73$74f654d0$a538fc0c@amd> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, what he said. The top is tall enough so you can get either right angle cables or one of Hosa cable's 'mixer snakes'- any cable that doesn't stick up too high- and keep them plugged in. The inside is just a giant huge space. I have stuff super-lock velcro'd to the inside walls, and I use the back rack rails for a power supply. It also has a cut out in the back lid to send your cables out to your pedals if you want. The front is 6 spaces- you can get them bigger- and the back & top are 10. It is big though- you'd want wheels. And help lifting it. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > The Gator cases have three sets of rack rails, and covers: > front, back, and top. Inside though, it's completely open. > There are no dividers between the top and the bottom. This > offers a lot of racking and routing options such as, if you > have a couple shallow pieces of gear in the top two spaces on > the front, you could put in some deeper gear into bottom rack > spaces on the top. Or, since the backside rails are taller > than the front, if you have something you don't need to get > to the faceplate of, like a power conditioner, you can put it > in the extra spaces on the back. > > Incidentally, I just transplanted my desktop PC to a > rack-mount chassis. :) It's going to go in my Gator console > rack for a visit home to Ohio. Sucker's heavy though... > > Rock!!! > > -J > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matthias Grob" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 12:41 AM > Subject: RE: Dragging Instruments > > > > > Gator makes one, and it rocks. Keep all the plugs in the mixer, > > >just open the top and go. > > >http://www.gatorcases.com/sections/prdct/proaudio/console_rack.htm > > >I think there are a few on Ebay now. I got my 10x6 rack on > Ebay for > > >$100, new, a MARS store liquidation, I think. > > > > > >Dave Eichenberger > > >http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > > > Dave, thank you for that hint, looks like a good idea, just: how do > > the cables from the top stay connected to the main box? dont you > > stress them by opening? how do you access the units in the top? > > -- > > > > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 12:18:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2HH75523348; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:07:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:07:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:07:04 -0800 Subject: Re: To DJ or not to DJ - that is the question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <003d01c2ec4e$d100f3e0$78c94c51@GarethWhittock> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I, for one, am very interested in hearing the results. When ever I play a dance show I notice that DJs seem to get much the same response that I get, yet lug much less. I guess what I'm saying is, if I play out I want to entertain the audience. A huge part of that for me *is* having fun while I'm doing it. When it's a struggle to hear what you're doing, or move your gear in and out of a venue, your fun can be squelched. Matthias mentioned that "... I just cannot imagine having fun without holding a string or touching some sensible surface... but thats me..." What do you mean by "sensible surface"? The Pioneer CD player I spoke of ( http://www.djtools.com/pioncdinstoc.html ) seems to be a sensible surface in my opinion. I've spent hours "performing" my Roland MC-307. One of the reasons I bought is was because it was designed to be played (as are the trend in such devices). If you spent some time with the Pioneer CD player I spoke of, you'd see the same possibilities. I *love* playing my guitar. I do it every day. Do I need to do it in a performance situation? I don't think so... or at the least, I should be more discrimination in when it's appropriate to bring it into the world. If the performance is the focus, I say yes. If the focus is socializing and dancing, I maybe think no. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, March 16, 2003, at 10:29 PM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > Funnily enough, at my next gig I'll be opening in DJ stylie. I've been > umming and ahhing for ages about the pros and cons of a DJ approach so > I've > decided to give it a go and see what happens. I'll be playing chill out > music from others as well as myself and filtering, delaying - LOOPING > of > course. Later on I'll be playing my own bizzarre guitarre ambient > ethnic > stuff as usual. I'll keep the group posted on the results. > Incidentally, I agree about watching a guy with just a laptop - boring > as > hell if he's not doing anything else.DJ's are not particularly > watchable - > the focus is elsewhere - on the feet or in some rarely visited part of > the > brain. > > Gareth > > Should I become a DJ of my >> own music? I think people are doing this. Anyone here doing this? >> Could be a good way to go for this type of event. (where dancing and >> socializing are the focus) When it's more of a show (like Loopstock) >> then you go for performance mode. What do people think? >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 12:20:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2HHDRL24264; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:13:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:13:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:13:26 -0800 Subject: Re: Dragging Instruments Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000801c2eca4$22ac63f0$122f04d1@home> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com We just got dual 1.25 mhz G4s at my job, and they're so HEAVY! Not to mention that they're known as "the wind tunnel" (this makes this model questionable in a studio environment, but Apple is shipping a free replacement power supply that's supposed to be a lot quieter) AND WARM. I opened one up after it had been running for a while to install a new drive and it was like I opened up a tube power amp! I could almost see the processors glowing! Mark Sottilaro On Monday, March 17, 2003, at 08:42 AM, future perfect wrote: >> >> Incidentally, I just transplanted my desktop PC to a >> rack-mount chassis. :) It's going to go in my Gator console >> rack for a visit home to Ohio. Sucker's heavy though... >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 12:21:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2HH1NQ22623; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:01:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:01:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030317170116.36750.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:01:16 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: New Album Preview Part 1 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000b01c2ec9a$e67b3c70$d65ff7a5@D9MS6F11> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <-asb4D.A.XhF.i9fd-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com André when the UFOs and alliens finally land on this earth they might pick you up and take you with them,be careful we need you here! Way ahead brother congratulations let me know when the CD is out and ill buy it! !P.S.but no,i am not one of them...) Cheers L.a --- The Tuned Univerese - Webmaster wrote: > What a wonderful and amusing composition! I enjoyed > it very much. > > Jeff Bragg > http://tuned.universe.home.mindspring.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andre LaFosse" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 4:59 AM > Subject: New Album Preview Part 1 > > > > Don't call it a comeback... I've been here for > years: > > > > > http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/seismic.mp3 > > > > This is a live EDP solo, and the first "single" > from the forthcoming > > album I've been compiling for the last several > months. Like the rest of > > the material on the album, it's several steps > beyond any Echoplex solos > > I've made available before. > > > > This particular track sounds kind of like a late > '90s jungle remix of > > mid-'70s Miles Davis - "Pangea" by way of "Modus > Operandi," maybe. > > > > There are no drum samples, no overdubs, and no > edits (apart from the > > fade-out) - it's one guitar through one EDP > through one tube amp. Some > > EQ, compression/limiting, and stereo imaging was > applied after the fact, > > but those are the only effects. (By downloading > this track, you agree > > to absolve me of responsibility for any damage > sustained to your > subwoofer.) > > > > Technical geek note: quantize was turned OFF for > this track, so all of > > the Replace action was done completely manually. > > > > The new album will run about 74 minutes, it'll > contain nearly 20 tracks > > (including EDP solos as well as produced tracks > using Echoplex > > performances as foundations for editing and > overdubs), and it should be > > pressed up in a few weeks. > > > > How ya like me now, > > > > --Andre LaFosse > > The Echoplex Analysis Pages: > > http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP > > > > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 12:21:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2HH3rl22864; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:03:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:03:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008401c2ec74$dced83f0$fcf19840@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <007a01c2ec60$86f4c940$a538fc0c@amd> Subject: Re: "Dragging Instruments Around" meets "laptop live"... Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:03:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jesse - brilliant commentary. watching people play music off their harddrive is boring. period. the music may be great, the composer brilliant, but it just doesn't translate in a live context. and i don't consider myself a purist at all...but as one who has spent the better part of the last decade playing traditional instruments in front of people, i have a hard time allowing kids to walk on stage with laptop and a mixing board and proceed to "remix" their music live. i'd rather watch paint dry...both activities are equally compelling. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 12:24:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2HHBxi24036; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:11:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:11:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2ECA8.4E0FCE26" Subject: Loopin Digereedoo's Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:11:52 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V03 #204 Thread-Index: AcLsbKEAQmgB42hTQr+RH/EHfOK13wAOdSMQ From: "Wolf, Bill" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31315 X-Loop: 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63.89.2.100 Message-ID: <002801c2eca8$99ff6e30$8628a8c0@CAMPBEBOWIN2K> From: "astroblue" To: References: <6c.2b687bd5.2ba75100@aol.com> Subject: Re: other mpga players (New Album Preview Part 1) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:13:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You may also notice that this mpga file seems to want to run RealPlay.exe. Well I thought I would have to wait to buy the CD, as I don't let Real Player come around no more (unbearably intrusive). But... I see that Winamp and Windows Media Player also will play this format.! For windoze folk: right click on the mpga file and select 'open with /choose program' to run the player of your choice. ok..... now I can also say wow! Bob Campbell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 12:36:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2HHKaW25366; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:20:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:20:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:18:48 -0600 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: Realtime os (was kim's refreshing...) In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <017301c2eca9$4632fcd0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >... > I wonder why enterprises like Apple dont create a real time version > of their OS, limited and optimized for specific use. > In most studios I see a Mac with nothing but ProTools installed to > make it safe. They have a second computer for Internet and such. So > an OS that looks like the MacOS but only serves audio soft would > certainly be much safer and quicker... >... i am not personally involved in this, but there is a group doing just this for linux: http://www.linuxdj.com/audio/lad/resourceslatency.php3 http://www.linuxdj.com/audio/lad/ sadly, i have not had time to look into it deeply, but on the surface, it looks like they have got latency down to low single digit ms (i've seen 1.5ms claimed) this is on my (rather long) list of things to check out... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 12:36:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2HHLE025562; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:21:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:21:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:20:59 -0800 Subject: Re: "Dragging Instruments Around" meets "laptop live"... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <008401c2ec74$dced83f0$fcf19840@g0wn7> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com But don'cha like danc'n? Mark On Monday, March 17, 2003, at 03:03 AM, jimfowler wrote: > i have a hard time allowing kids to walk on > stage with laptop and a mixing board and proceed to "remix" their music > live. i'd rather watch paint dry...both activities are equally > compelling. > > -jim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 12:39:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2HHRYp26785; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:27:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:27:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.14.93.11] From: "Will Wright" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "Dragging Instruments Around" meets "laptop live"... Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:27:28 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Mar 2003 17:27:28.0331 (UTC) FILETIME=[7BACC1B0:01C2ECAA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Seeing as how if I ever perform live (not sure yet if I even want that to happen) A laptop or two will probably feature heavily this does bear thinking about. My spur of the moment Idea is to split the laptop into two parts and wear it. Recently a friend of mine gave me a whole lot of broken laptops (and a few that live) which I have been dismantling as art supplies, and I have found that it shouldn't be too hard to extend the cables so that the keyboard hung down off a belt and the monitor was mounted on some sort of harness off the torso, I could then move fairly freely (cables could be an issue). And as a bonus it would look cyberpunk as all get out... A thought. Will Wright >From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" > So, here's an idea, folks: Hook up your laptop screen to a projector >are >project what you are seeing -- or, at the very least, get some kind of >audio >visualizer program and project the output of that on a big screen behind >you. If you intend to connect with the widest possible audience, you must >include some kind of visual element in your performance. Tim Reynolds >projects slides behind himself when he plays. > > And stand up. How much energy can you be putting into your >performance >if you're sitting down? I know I would rather sit down and play all the >time, and I probably play better sitting down (because I always practice >sitting down), but you will get over more often if you stand up. Ah, the >harsh realities of presenting to the public. > _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 12:41:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2HHZsX27935; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:35:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:35:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:35:43 -0500 From: Guywithatele@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: To DJ or not to DJ - that is the question MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <757F238F.68267B04.2437D650@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 3/17/2003 12:07:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: > I guess what I'm saying is, if I play out I want to > entertain the audience. !!! So that's what I've been doing wrong! Brilliant idea, mate !!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 12:47:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2HHg5R29116; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:42:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:42:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 17:45:04 +0000 Subject: Re: Loopin Digereedoo's From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9SDR_D.A.xGH.tjgd-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com he's been going for years, first saw him with his jamman and band along time ago. In fact he was the first and one of the best loopers I have ever seen, great to know he's still going! Geoff on 17/3/03 5:11 pm, Wolf, Bill at bill.wolf@ness-usa.com wrote: > Saw an interesting loop basecd show the other night here in NYC. Dr Didg. He > plays a didgereedoo and keyboards into among other things, two Jammans. > Musically it was groovy and funky - I really enjoyed myself. He was > accompanied by bass, drums, guitar. For the most part, he'd lay down some > short funky didg line and then the band would jam to it. Loopwise, pretty > basic technique but the results were a lot of fun. For one song he pulled out > a homemade didg that had keys. Looked like a giant oboe. It was amazing. > > Check out www.drdidg.com (The Dr part comes from his having a PhD in physics From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 13:06:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2HI0dS32543; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:00:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:00:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Mistsojorn@aol.com Message-ID: <4a.19c9ca90.2ba76706@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:59:34 EST Subject: Promo:Philly:3/21+4/18: Gate to Moonbase Alpha To: phiba-improv@topica.com, droneon@lists.no-fi.com, the_ambient_way@yahoogroups.com, audio_video@topica.com, audio-video@topica.com, sacrednoise@yahoogroups.com CC: electronicaworld@yahoogroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, modul-8@yahoogroups.com, pennsylvaniamusicscene@yahoogroups.com, twilightml@yahoogroups.com, ud-wvud@udel.edu, wprb@princeton.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 66 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gate to Moonbase Alpha is a 3.5 yr old series showcasing local as well as national/international artists who delve into the hard-to-define genres of electronic and acoustic as well as visual experimentation. Friday, March 21st. 8pm-12am: Gate to Moonbase Alpha monthly ambient/experimental series featuring: LoVid(sound+video project from NY), Tenure(aka Dev79), RED L.E.D. Elder, The Great Quentini(performance art w/everything including the kitchen sink), David Gerbstadt(film+oil projections), Chase Bowman(live video accompaniment), Krimpets(10 minute puppet show). Free admission for all ages. At The Rotunda: 4014 Walnut Street, Philadelphia, PA 19104 info: http://www.foundationarts.org, 215-573-3234. Friday, April 18th. 8pm-12am: Gate to Moonbase Alpha monthly ambient/experimental series featuring: vidnaOmana, Stares to Nowhere, The Cosmic Joke, Matt Borghi+Jason Sloan, The Great Quentini, David Gerbstadt, Chase Bowman. Free admission for all ages. At The Rotunda: 4014 Walnut Street, Philadelphia, PA 19104 info: http://www.foundationarts.org, 215-573-3234. Thanks for reading! Gina Renzi Coordinator The Rotunda 4014 Walnut Street Philadelphia, PA 19104 http://www.foundationarts.org 215-573-3234 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 13:11:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2HI11932614; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:01:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:01:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030317180055.9850.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:00:55 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: New Album Preview Part 1 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200303171721.h2HHLiW25858@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre, I have been following your music for the past year and a half now. I am totally impressed with the knowledge and control you have with the EDP. My mind is intellectually stimulated when I listen to your music, I keep thinking "what is he doing at this moment to create this sound?" I could spend hours in rapt fascination listening to your music. With one exception. When I check in with my internal sensibilities, I find myself all a-jumble. There is an abruptness and a harshness in this latest tune of yours (and many others I have listened to in the past) that almost hurts in a physical way. I don't know what to make of this, I usually just write this kind of sensation off as "that digital sound" and yet I don't hear many other musicians talking about this. This is a purely physical reaction to listening to your latest offering. As I said earlier, I am intellectually fascinated and quite in awe of what you are doing. I don't mean these comments in any kind of mean spirited way. Rather, were I in your shoes, I'd be more interested in hearing what difficulties my listeners had with my music (well okay, I would like to hear the rave gushing reviews once in a while too). I don't always listen to music for its relaxing effect either. Case in point, one of my favorite pieces of music is Penderecki's "Utrenja", which has a harshness to it as well. Yet it seems to be a harshness that serves a deeper purpose (and without that abrupt digital cutting off of sound in a rapid fire way). Another favorite of mine which comes close to your work, Subotnick's "The Wild Bull". I mention these pieces because they share some things and yet the overall feeling I am left with in my body after listening to either of these aforementioned pieces is one of inner quietude and reflection. I hope this mini review is of some help to you. If there is need for further elucidation, I can speak further on the subject. With respect, Stephen __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 13:37:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2HITQ203599; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:29:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:29:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003301c2ecbb$7ed0d550$a538fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: Subject: Re: "Dragging Instruments Around" meets "laptop live"... Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:29:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <8aRvzC.A.G4.GQhd-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Interesting idea. I have been waiting for a QWERTY virtuoso to pop up, but haven't found him/her yet. Write a program to map your computer keyboard keys to MIDI notes. A good typist, with a little practice, could seriously shred. Strap on your computer keyboard like a guitar and go at it. Can anybody recommend a computer keyboard manufacturer that supports velocity sensitivity??? That is a joke. Although, who knows... I can't imagine that I am the first one to think of this idea. It seems pretty obvious. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Will Wright" To: Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:27 AM Subject: Re: "Dragging Instruments Around" meets "laptop live"... > Seeing as how if I ever perform live (not sure yet if I even want that to > happen) A laptop or two will probably feature heavily this does bear > thinking about. > > My spur of the moment Idea is to split the laptop into two parts and wear > it. > > Recently a friend of mine gave me a whole lot of broken laptops (and a few > that live) which I have been dismantling as art supplies, and I have found > that it shouldn't be too hard to extend the cables so that the keyboard hung > down off a belt and the monitor was mounted on some sort of harness off the > torso, I could then move fairly freely (cables could be an issue). > > And as a bonus it would look cyberpunk as all get out... > > A thought. > > Will Wright From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 14:11:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2HJ3Ro09005; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:03:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:03:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.14.93.11] From: "Will Wright" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "Dragging Instruments Around" meets "laptop live"... Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:03:17 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Mar 2003 19:03:18.0084 (UTC) FILETIME=[DECB7040:01C2ECB7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm playing with Soundplant (http://www.soundplant.org/) right now, a freeware program that maps your keyboard to wav files, it's fairly spartan but it does have a pitch shift that is kind of cool (I have a few stock samples that make really interesting ambient noisescape thingies when tweaked), it also gives you the choice of having the sound loop or not and you can change key behaviors while sound is playing without changing the sounds currently playing random toy or useful tool? Dunno, but twas free :) Will Wright >From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: "Dragging Instruments Around" meets "laptop live"... >Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:29:14 -0800 > >Interesting idea. > >I have been waiting for a QWERTY virtuoso to pop up, but haven't found >him/her yet. Write a program to map your computer keyboard keys to MIDI >notes. A good typist, with a little practice, could seriously shred. >Strap >on your computer keyboard like a guitar and go at it. > >Can anybody recommend a computer keyboard manufacturer that supports >velocity sensitivity??? > >That is a joke. Although, who knows... I can't imagine that I am the >first >one to think of this idea. It seems pretty obvious. > >-J > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Will Wright" >To: >Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:27 AM >Subject: Re: "Dragging Instruments Around" meets "laptop live"... > > > > Seeing as how if I ever perform live (not sure yet if I even want that >to > > happen) A laptop or two will probably feature heavily this does bear > > thinking about. > > > > My spur of the moment Idea is to split the laptop into two parts and >wear > > it. > > > > Recently a friend of mine gave me a whole lot of broken laptops (and a >few > > that live) which I have been dismantling as art supplies, and I have >found > > that it shouldn't be too hard to extend the cables so that the keyboard >hung > > down off a belt and the monitor was mounted on some sort of harness off >the > > torso, I could then move fairly freely (cables could be an issue). > > > > And as a bonus it would look cyberpunk as all get out... > > > > A thought. > > > > Will Wright > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 14:12:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2HJ7SV09634; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:07:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:07:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005301c2ecc0$ceedc480$a538fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <017301c2eca9$4632fcd0$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Linux looper: Sooperlooper... Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:07:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have been watching Linux, but so far there just isn't enough really good audio software (or maybe I'm just not aware of it) available to make me think the switch is viable. Although, now that Mac has gone UNIX-based with OSX, maybe some of those developers might start thinking about porting to Linux. It would be a smaller leap now... Hey, look at what I just found on one of those Linux pages: "Sooperlooper is a "looping sampler very much like the Gibson/Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro". It is written by Jesse Chappell and is available from http://dexterssandbox.com/sooperlooper/." "SooperLooper is a looping sampler very much like the Gibson/Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP). In fact, it is a downright emulation of an EDP, with some additional features and a silly name. I figured that the EDP feature-set is powerful, proven, and popular -- so why not implement it as a LADSPA plugin we can all use? It is a true realtime software looper if used with a low-latency Linux kernel and the proper audio buffer configuration." I see this has been mentioned in the archives before, but just in case you are brave, thinking Linux, and haven't heard. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Palmer" To: Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:18 AM Subject: RE: Realtime os (was kim's refreshing...) > >... > > I wonder why enterprises like Apple dont create a real time version > > of their OS, limited and optimized for specific use. > > In most studios I see a Mac with nothing but ProTools installed to > > make it safe. They have a second computer for Internet and such. So > > an OS that looks like the MacOS but only serves audio soft would > > certainly be much safer and quicker... > >... > > i am not personally involved in this, but there is a group doing just > this for linux: > http://www.linuxdj.com/audio/lad/resourceslatency.php3 > > http://www.linuxdj.com/audio/lad/ > > sadly, i have not had time to look into it deeply, but > on the surface, it looks like they have got latency down to > low single digit ms (i've seen 1.5ms claimed) > > this is on my (rather long) list of things to check out... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 14:27:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2HJL4S11899; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:21:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:21:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Dave Hastings" To: Subject: RE: "Dragging Instruments Around" meets "laptop live"... Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:26:15 -0800 Message-ID: <000d01c2ecbb$14173560$f3aaf5d1@hmv5n> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <003301c2ecbb$7ed0d550$a538fc0c@amd> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Jesse Ray Lucas [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net] > > I have been waiting for a QWERTY virtuoso to pop up, but haven't found > him/her yet. Write a program to map your computer keyboard keys to MIDI > notes. http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/audio/vpiano.htm Only 4 octaves, no velocity sensitivity, but it's a start. (PC only) -daveh -------------- Dave Hastings dhastings@earthlink.net "The trouble with music appreciation in general is that people are taught to have too much respect for music; they should be taught to love it instead." - Igor Stravinsky From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 14:28:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2HJNRL12284; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:23:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:23:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3E759C68.56CDE723@earthlink.net> References: <3E759C68.56CDE723@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:23:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: New Album Preview Part 1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: -5.4 () IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.29 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Don't call it a comeback... I've been here for years: > >http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/seismic.mp3 > >This is a live EDP solo, and the first "single" from the forthcoming >album I've been compiling for the last several months. Like the rest of >the material on the album, it's several steps beyond any Echoplex solos >I've made available before. Wow, all I can say is that I'm totally blown away. Beautiful stuff Andre, I can't wait for the CD! And if this is the single, I bet the album is really challenging :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 14:51:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2HJiYQ14883; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:44:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:44:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030317131108.034a7a98@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:43:49 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: "Dragging Instruments Around" meets "laptop live"... In-Reply-To: <003301c2ecbb$7ed0d550$a538fc0c@amd> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:29 AM 3/17/2003 -0800, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: >Interesting idea. > >I have been waiting for a QWERTY virtuoso to pop up, but haven't found >him/her yet. Write a program to map your computer keyboard keys to MIDI >notes. A good typist, with a little practice, could seriously shred. Strap >on your computer keyboard like a guitar and go at it. Check out Trollo (http://www.axxeom.fsnet.co.uk/trollo.htm). That's supposed to let you do just what you're talking about. However, I haven't been able to get it working properly yet (doesn't like Muzys for some reason). >Can anybody recommend a computer keyboard manufacturer that supports >velocity sensitivity??? > >That is a joke. Although, who knows... I can't imagine that I am the first >one to think of this idea. It seems pretty obvious. Nope, you're not the first to think of it. I figured out a way to make it work a few years back, although I've never quite gotten around to actually doing it: I've had quite a bit of luck using homemade triggers (simple piezos) with Pad-MIDI converters for various bits. Personally, I've got a couple of Roland PM-16's laying about for just this type of thing. Just get one of those converters and solder some triggers into a $10 replacement keypads from Rat Shack. It should be roughly velocity-sensitive -- at least, they are when you make drumpads out of them. The PM-16's, for example, have 16 inputs apiece, so two of them should be able to cover most of the keypad. They're cheap on ebay as well. Just an idea... -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 15:08:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2HK2mH18506; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:02:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:02:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:02:28 EST Subject: Raison d'etre To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h2HK2lM18483 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all! First off let me wish a happy St. Patrick's Day to everyone! I've got me corned beef 'n' cabbage a'boiling on the stove fer the day (already) with wee thoughts of Guinness pints dancing in me head t'boot. And, in an naif ecumenical spirit I am wearin' both the green and the orange. Ahhh, pass the Lucky Charms. They're magically delerious. Sláinte! [that's Gaelic for "To your health!"] Now then . . . Please be patient with me as these spontaneously typed sentences loop and circle around the idea that is forming in my head. I suppose the direction of my thoughts are somewhat in response to Mark Sottilaro's comments about "entertaining the audience" and "having fun" . . . and possibly (partly) also to do with Andre's wonderful new musical posting. But . . . then again, it may also have to do with current "global" events (feelings of dread and the sense of the seeming relentless inevitability of this becoming some sort of an "eve of the apocalypse" kind of day are hard to escape -- and I am hardly a millennialist, believe you me). The news lately (and this morning, especially) is kinda scary on a number of levels. All politicians are idiots. Or . . . it may be merely the thought that I turning 50 pretty soon and am feeling pretty run-down, mortal and creatively spent. All this talk about schlepping gear makes me tired. I am wondering why I do it. What is my "raison d'etre" for this endeavor in music at all, to be specific? I submit myself to public performances less and less for "fun" and more and more as a kind of trial by fire -- a purification ritual, or a medical procedure -- like lancing a boil or abscess. And, I do the music that I do privately here at home (and semi-privately in the studio) as a kind of solitary meditation (or musical "praying in tongues") that aspires to the ecstatic but only seldom attains it. Forgive my meandering. But, I'm sort of wondering "Why?" at the moment. Do I chalk it up to the potency of the "creative impulse" or what? Maybe I'm just having one of "those days." Maybe I'm just a little tired (for lack of sleep) and it has me semi-depressed. Maybe I need shock therapy . . . heheh. Maybe I should "lighten up" and just enjoy the shear pleasure and supreme blessing of making music/art. Maybe. Sounds good. Anywho, I thought I'd toss the old "Why the heck do we do what we do?" thread question out there again. It hasn't gone around lately anyway (at least I haven't seen it in circulation in a while). Maybe it'll inspire, spark or cheer me up. What do you say? Whilst I'm waiting for my St. Paddy's Day dinner to cook I've got nothing better to do than ponder the big questions . . . or maybe a good looper joke. Pax, tEd ® kiLLiAn ArsOcarina@aol.com http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 15:08:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2HK49n18759; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:04:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:04:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Looping9string@aol.com Message-ID: <12a.25945c28.2ba78436@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:04:06 EST Subject: FCB 1010 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12a.25945c28.2ba78436_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_12a.25945c28.2ba78436_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just bought the FCB 1010 I have been searching the archives but have not YET found anything specific to my question... If I use the FCB 1010 and put the EDPs in controller mode, and push what I have designated for record on the pedal, it goes for 0.46 Seconds and then acts as if nothing had been done at all... When using note mode, everything works BUT, my goal in using this was to have 3 banks... Bank 00 would be controlling BOTH of my EDPs simultaneously... Bank 01 would be controlling EDP 1 Bank 02 would be controlling EDP 2 Could anyone either help me please, or at least send me in the right direction in the archives? --part1_12a.25945c28.2ba78436_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just bought the FCB 1010 I have been searching the a= rchives but have not YET found anything specific to my question...

If I use the FCB 1010 and put the EDPs in controller mode, and push what I h= ave designated for record on the pedal, it goes for 0.46 Seconds and then ac= ts as if nothing had been done at all...

When using note mode, everything works BUT, my goal in using this was to hav= e 3 banks...

Bank 00 would be controlling BOTH of my EDPs simultaneously...

Bank 01 would be controlling EDP 1

Bank 02 would be controlling EDP 2

Could anyone either help me please, or at least send me in the right directi= on in the archives?

 --part1_12a.25945c28.2ba78436_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 15:18:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2HKEIY19962; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:14:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:14:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1d0.53b8b71.2ba78682@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:13:54 EST Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Check=20out=20Harmony=20Central=AE:=20FL=20Studio?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=20v4=20Continues=20Fruityloops=20Legacy?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1d0.53b8b71.2ba78682_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1d0.53b8b71.2ba78682_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Click her= e: Harmony Central=AE: FL Studio v4 Continues Fruityloops Legacy=20 --part1_1d0.53b8b71.2ba78682_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Click here: Harmony Central=AE: FL= Studio v4 Continues Fruityloops Legacy --part1_1d0.53b8b71.2ba78682_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 15:33:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2HKO3Y21005; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:24:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:24:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <75.cb0c3fe.2ba788d6@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:23:50 EST Subject: Check out Visual Bliss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_75.cb0c3fe.2ba788d6_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_75.cb0c3fe.2ba788d6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this may relate to the thread of "boring" performances.....Click here: Visual Bliss --part1_75.cb0c3fe.2ba788d6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable this may relate to the t= hread of "boring" performances.....Click here: Visual Bliss --part1_75.cb0c3fe.2ba788d6_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 16:17:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2HL91328437; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:09:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:09:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4408075.1047935335033.JavaMail.nobody@dewey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:07:19 -0800 (GMT) From: Travis Hartnett To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "Dragging Instruments Around" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Regardless of the musical quality, the laptop performances I've seen have been like watching a guy check his e-mail for an hour or so while a CD plays over the PA. It's a tough hurdle to overcome. TH On Monday, March 17, 2003, at 03:03 AM, jimfowler wrote: > i have a hard time allowing kids to walk on > stage with laptop and a mixing board and proceed to "remix" their music > live. i'd rather watch paint dry...both activities are equally > compelling. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 16:38:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2HLQc930903; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:26:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:26:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030317212637.68480.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:26:37 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: "Dragging Instruments Around" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4408075.1047935335033.JavaMail.nobody@dewey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Unfortunately, I have to agree. If I wanted to listen to a CD, I can generally do that more comfortably at home. If I want to see a live performance, my expectation is that there will be both an aural and SOME sort of visual element. Watching someone poke at a computer (especially when I can't see the screen) isn't very interesting. I can go to my day job and see that all day every day. Hey...if people actually LIKE that, maybe I can capitolize on it... Give tours of the facility to people and strap a CD player on 'em with some good music when they find some CRT jockey that they want to stare at for awhile. Greg --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > Regardless of the musical quality, the laptop performances I've seen have been > like watching a guy check his e-mail for an hour or so while a CD plays over > the PA. It's a tough hurdle to overcome. > > TH > > On Monday, March 17, 2003, at 03:03 AM, jimfowler wrote: > > i have a hard time allowing kids to walk on > > stage with laptop and a mixing board and proceed to "remix" their music > > live. i'd rather watch paint dry...both activities are equally > > compelling. > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 17:14:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2HM8Cb04551; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:08:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:08:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:07:52 -0500 From: Guywithatele@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Raison d'etre MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1FDA02DA.09227CBC.2437D650@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h2HM8CM04526 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 3/17/2003 3:02:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, ArsOcarina writes: > "Why the heck do we do what we do?" For the chicks. And because it's hard to meditate and "do" nothing all day and/or night long. The heart beats, the lungs breathe, the drama plays on. Each human body houses incredible amounts of energy. Each brain seethes with activity. It's hard not to do anything in this condition. A writer once stated "if you love music, you stand a chance" (horribly slaughtered, source unknown, my apologies, if someone knows where this came from...). So music seems a worthy enough creation. We borrow and mimic. Some mimic the sex drive (power chords, thumping kicks). Others anger, frustration (same), mystery (avante-garde), the world-is-kicking-my-ass syndrome (lots of lyrics/tones about that). Some indulge in self-pity, others lash out. The Art of Noise observed that every act of creation will be regarded by someone as a personal attack. Everything is an attack. This email is pissing someone off. Your email pissed someone off. Someone is rolling their eyes, thinking "get a life" because of some reason or another: possibly because you beat them to the expression of these abstract an sensitive areas, or possibly because they don't care to feel anything because they didn't get a chance to say "no" when they were two years old. "No" is the most readily available knee-jerk answer out there. Coupled with the most frequently used word in the English language "I," is there any doubt "why" there's drama after drama of senseless nothing? As the old man in Waking Life regards human evolution as an endless procession (or addition) of zeros, and that the distance between an average human and a chimpanzee is less than the distance between an average human and the Platos and Neitzsches of the world. The super-chimpanzee dominates planet earth. So why stay there with the squawking chimp? Why not strive to mimic that greater consciousness that is all around us? We embody a simulacrum of it--via our biology and chemistry and electricity--why not shoot for more. Yes, sleep is very important. So is eating right and exercising and all that. Why? To keep the ves sel floating. Why? Because the rippling skin of the ocean is only the surface. What lies beneath and above and all around is the real magic. Music that mimics that...well, fuck, there's nothing better, at least for us humans. Even attempting to mimic it puts us into closer communion than not. And mimicry is the key to beginning to understand. Because notes, like language, these and any words you understand, weren't invented by you or me. Not entirely, anyway. They're completely borrowed, beggared, stolen. Why? Because we're lazy? I think not. I suppose each of us could sit around and invent our own language, but what kind of mess would that be? What good is a language that no one can understand? Sleep well. Have lots of juicy nightmares and wet dreams. The old hag isn't finished. Thank God. I'm not finished. I can't. Death will overtake me far sooner than finishing. The key, I suspect, is feeling at peace with the strides made. Peace and pride. Peace is often regarded as weak. Peace gets a bad rap. Peace needs a newer connotation. I think of the scene with Gandalf as prisoner on top of Sauraman's keep: when he captures the moth gently but completely within his hand. Even with all the orcs and forged steel and burning, scorching, angry smashing, killing intent, the smallest of a perfectly crafted fluttering moth changes everything. Peace is a nutrino. Peace is a wave of cosmic debris that is going to vibrate through the minds of all the superchimps and meld them closer to the greater mind or else wipe them off the ass of the earth (where they tend to congregate) See...I'm sure I've offended someone. Can't be helped. Liars beware. Brain-dead, AWAKE! Ring the alarm bell. Murderers and rapists and theives who steal from the elderly, the cleansing... it's gonna hurt. Get out and love the earth with all your being. Every day. Loop them with that. That's half a single reason to exist, if that. Adieu. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 17:33:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2HMO9906581; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:24:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:24:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 22:27:04 +0000 Subject: Re: Linux looper: Sooperlooper... From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005301c2ecc0$ceedc480$a538fc0c@amd> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Damn Thats incredible, I really wish this could be written for Mac osx licensed by Matthias and Kim. That would be incredible. As it stands it seems a little unfair to just rip another persons invention so obviously. At least the author isn't trying to make money of it though. Damn why doesn't anyone write a de3cent looper for the Mac. Geoff on 17/3/03 8:07 pm, Jesse Ray Lucas at jlucas@neoprimitive.net wrote: > I have been watching Linux, but so far there just isn't enough really good > audio software (or maybe I'm just not aware of it) available to make me > think the switch is viable. Although, now that Mac has gone UNIX-based with > OSX, maybe some of those developers might start thinking about porting to > Linux. It would be a smaller leap now... > > Hey, look at what I just found on one of those Linux pages: > > "Sooperlooper is a "looping sampler very much like the Gibson/Oberheim > Echoplex Digital Pro". It is written by Jesse Chappell and is available from > http://dexterssandbox.com/sooperlooper/." > > "SooperLooper is a looping sampler very much like the Gibson/Oberheim > Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP). In fact, it is a downright emulation of an EDP, > with some additional features and a silly name. I figured that the EDP > feature-set is powerful, proven, and popular -- so why not implement it as a > LADSPA plugin we can all use? It is a true realtime software looper if used > with a low-latency Linux kernel and the proper audio buffer configuration." > > I see this has been mentioned in the archives before, but just in case you > are brave, thinking Linux, and haven't heard. > > -J > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Palmer" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:18 AM > Subject: RE: Realtime os (was kim's refreshing...) > > >>> ... >>> I wonder why enterprises like Apple dont create a real time version >>> of their OS, limited and optimized for specific use. >>> In most studios I see a Mac with nothing but ProTools installed to >>> make it safe. They have a second computer for Internet and such. So >>> an OS that looks like the MacOS but only serves audio soft would >>> certainly be much safer and quicker... >>> ... >> >> i am not personally involved in this, but there is a group doing just >> this for linux: >> http://www.linuxdj.com/audio/lad/resourceslatency.php3 >> >> http://www.linuxdj.com/audio/lad/ >> >> sadly, i have not had time to look into it deeply, but >> on the surface, it looks like they have got latency down to >> low single digit ms (i've seen 1.5ms claimed) >> >> this is on my (rather long) list of things to check out... >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 17:53:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2HMjPc08984; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:45:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:45:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: AURALG@aol.com Message-ID: <18e.17dca307.2ba7a874@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:38:44 EST Subject: New Email Address To: auralg@hvc.rr.com, adamk@zoom.co.uk, travelling_eye@hotmail.com, BAishikaO@aol.com, dagodiva@netzero.net, bartlj@Sage.EDU, sbittman@rnetworx.com, simmyb2g@yahoo.com, ciriwe@phobot.ne, Chrissie.Hines@hbo.com, divingtigers@hotmail.com, CMouris@aol.com, neal@swcp.com, geocowan@bellsouth.net, pdmc1@earthlink.net, ditto@taconic.net, dittoditto@taconic.net, dsmith@emagicusa.com, dunn.greg@home.com, fleur@one.net, nearerspirits@yahoo.com, Greg.Jumper@Sun.COM, gspataf1@nycap.rr.com, guy@tubehead.com, CptBryant@aol.com, phuesma@yahoo.com, goldens2@nycap.rr.com, jmr24@hhs.net, jsorva@niksula.hut.fi, kellyburk_@excite.com, somapsyche@yahoo.com, rbl6864@earthlink.net, leonvs@iae.nl, listadmin@filmmusicmag.com, lpiazza@telocity.com, lunar@ulster.net, Margherita@Cottonhill.com, melrod@nycap.rr.com, flipside51@yahoo.com, michaelbassett@mindspring.com, Moniqroth@aol.com, gabgeeb@earthlink.net, newsreplies_50883@newsletter.audiomidi.com, owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org, phclark@qwest.net, phil@tiaranetworks.com, pkborden@webtv.net, PSheehan@PKSInvest.com, newage@vh.net, vernon.reed@humancode.com, Ray@Cottonhill.com, RFRAZZA@hvc.rr.com, rfrazza@hvc.rr.com, rich.rapp@effem.com, rlovejoy@comcast.net, bastet@ulster.net, Roger.Marschke@DFA.STATE.NY.US, Rolf.Peukert@theoinf.tu-ilmenau.de, rraney123@hotmail.com, runly@hvi.net, stjrnellstjarnell@yahoo.com, tamar@u.washington.edu, Teacher1986@aol.com, DayDreamerFilms@aol.com, scatherd@nycap.rr.com, whatsreal@yahoo.com, wpm@value.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Please note effective immediately new address auralg@earthlink.net No more Aol yey !!! Thanks, KB From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 18:11:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2HN43Y12830; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:04:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:04:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:03:56 -0800 Message-ID: <3E717BC600004209@mta8.wss.scd.yahoo.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: [gig] Atomic Mobius Machine live on the internet To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h2HN42M12806 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fellow Loopers, On Saturday, March 22nd, Atomic Mobius Machine is playing live on the internet! We'll be playing from 8pm-12pm/PST on AwesomeRadio.net. (But, we often go longer than that.) Atomic Mobius Machine is best classified as Electronic Ambient Trance music (although I like to call it 'loopadelic'), and features myself, and Dan Moore, on various musical instruments. Dan uses and EDP and I manipulate/arrange samples in real time with Acid. (and we swap rigs during the show.) For more info and music samples, please click here... http://www.musetrap.com/atomicmobiusmachine/ So tune into AwesomeRadio.net, at http://www.awesomeradio.net, Saturday, February 22nd, at 8pm for some really trippy music. Technically speaking, it's a shoutcast stream (ie. mp3 format) and can easily be listened to with WinAmp (www.winamp.com) under Windows, Audion (http://www.panic.com/audion/index.html) on the Mac, and XMMS (http://www.xmms.org/) under Linux... The address is 207.44.144.80:8000, but if this does not work for you, please check the website, as we are working on changing audio servers soon. AwesomeRadio also has an IRC chat room, for those so inclined. You can use a Java client (linked from the website), or a native client, such as mIRC for Windows. The IRC network is irc.awesomechat.net, and the channel is #awesomeradio. Of course, while we are playing we won't be chatting much, but there will be other listeners in there, so... I hope you can tune in for some of the show... :) peace -cpr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 19:35:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2I0RhP24828; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:27:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:27:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.14.93.11] From: "Will Wright" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Raison d'etre Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:27:35 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Mar 2003 00:27:36.0143 (UTC) FILETIME=[2CB39DF0:01C2ECE5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why I do what I do? Well when I figure out what I do actually is, then I'll start working on why :) Will Wright _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 19:37:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2I0UNL25137; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:30:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:30:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b901c2ecb3$38d13110$fcf19840@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: Subject: Re: "Dragging Instruments Around" meets "laptop live"... Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:29:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <8UFa6C.A.pIG.fimd-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "But don'cha like danc'n?" and i quote: "one of my legs is shorter than the other and both of my feet's too long..." -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 19:48:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2I0du626415; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:39:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:39:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "Dragging Instruments Around" meets "laptop live"... References: <007a01c2ec60$86f4c940$a538fc0c@amd> Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed From: ernesto schnack Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:39:27 -0500 In-Reply-To: <007a01c2ec60$86f4c940$a538fc0c@amd> User-Agent: Opera7.03/Win32 M2 build 2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 00:38:03 -0800, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > It seems to me that most people who aren't musicians don't actually > *listen* to music. They *watch* music. If music is on at home or in the > car, they are usually not aware of anything other than the words. If the > music is such that it asserts itself into the forefront of the > environment, I think it's just that most people simply aren't that interested in listening to music in its pure abstract form. Most music made throughout history is either in support of a story (songs, drama, movies) or for dancing, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. If you play instrumental music meant exclusively for listening and don't provide some context that people can relate to and make it more concrete, then less people will be interested. Most people just need something to grab onto. Like one of my teachers says: "Play Schoenberg to somebody on the street, they'll think it's noise; play it in a horror movie and they won't have a problem with it." It also reminds me of a time I played one of my ambient loop pieces to a non-musician friend and she referred to it as "underwater music". Ernesto -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 19:51:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2I0hW726813; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:43:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:43:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Raison d'etre References: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed From: ernesto schnack Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:43:05 -0500 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera7.03/Win32 M2 build 2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:02:28 EST, wrote: > Anywho, I thought I'd toss the old "Why the heck do we do what we do?" > thread question out there again. It hasn't gone around lately anyway (at > least I haven't seen it in circulation in a while). Maybe it'll inspire, Well, I do what I do because it's fun. And I play it for other people because I'm usually proud of what I've done and hopefully someone out there will like it. Of course that is the part where you realize most people don't realize how much effort you put in which can get frustrating, but what can you do? Just let it go and move on to the next project...because it's fun... Ernesto -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 20:30:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2I1N3t02033; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:23:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:23:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <018c01c2ecba$814462d0$fcf19840@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <12a.25945c28.2ba78436@aol.com> Subject: Re: FCB 1010 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:22:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0185_01C2ECBA.7D290E30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0185_01C2ECBA.7D290E30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "it goes for 0.46 Seconds" in "con" mode, this probably has to do with momentary/hold switching... if it's any consolation, i'm still having a devil of a time getting my = fcb to work right...what i need is an edp-specific tutorial and i = couldn't find one in the archives. -jim ------=_NextPart_000_0185_01C2ECBA.7D290E30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
"it goes for 0.46 Seconds"
 
in "con" mode, this probably has to do with = momentary/hold=20 switching...
 
if it's any consolation, i'm still having a devil = of a time=20 getting my fcb to work right...what i need is an edp-specific tutorial = and i=20 couldn't find one in the archives.
 
-jim
------=_NextPart_000_0185_01C2ECBA.7D290E30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 21:30:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2I2IWw08926; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 21:18:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 21:18:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007201c2ecf4$ce098160$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <12a.25945c28.2ba78436@aol.com> Subject: Re: FCB 1010 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:19:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006D_01C2ECC2.7E642CA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <1UAlR.A.VLC.4Hod-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C2ECC2.7E642CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great stuff! I'm setup to do this, although I haven't been intimate with my EDPs in = almost a month due to personal and work-related time constraints. I'll = try my best to explain what I've done: Basically, I use NOTE mode for all the banks to control the EDPs. = Controller mode on the FCB1010 is no bueno for the EDPs. The 00 bank and the 01 bank have the same notes assigned to the FCB1010 = pedals. Bank 00 will control both EDPs, bank 01 will control just my = "master" EDP. You'll see how in just a second. The 02 bank has the same functions, but driven by notes which are +46 = notes higher than bank 00 and bank 01. =20 My "Source #" parameter is set at 36 (the default) on both EDP's when I = want to control both of them at once (via bank 00) If I want to "separate" the EDPs, and control them separately (via banks = 01 and 02), I set the "Source #" parameter on the second EDP to 82. = Then, bank 01 will control EDP #1 because it is listening to notes 36 = thru 81, and bank 02 will control EDP #2 because it is now listening to = notes 82 thru 127. See pages 44 and 45 of the Loop IV upgrade manual to = understand the note offsets for any DirectMIDI command. Works well, although switching banks to get between EDP #1 and EDP #2 is = part of the trick. I wish that there was a DirectMIDI-way to change the "Source #" = parameter, so I could just have a pedal on bank 00 or 01 to set it to 82 = (and another to set it back to 36). No go. Unfortunately, "Source #" = is also not one of the parameters that is saved as part of an EDP = preset. So, I have to reach out and move to the "Source #" parameter, = and then use the Feedback knob to get to 82 (or back to 36) quickly. = *Gasp* at having to touch the knobs!! It's so.... neanderthal!! :) Side note: I moved the LoopTrig parameter below 36 to get it out of the = way and avoid interference with this approach. I don't use it = (currently), so I can't remember where I put it :) Doug ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Looping9string@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 2:04 PM Subject: FCB 1010 I just bought the FCB 1010 I have been searching the archives but have = not YET found anything specific to my question... If I use the FCB 1010 and put the EDPs in controller mode, and push = what I have designated for record on the pedal, it goes for 0.46 Seconds = and then acts as if nothing had been done at all... When using note mode, everything works BUT, my goal in using this was = to have 3 banks... Bank 00 would be controlling BOTH of my EDPs simultaneously... Bank 01 would be controlling EDP 1 Bank 02 would be controlling EDP 2 Could anyone either help me please, or at least send me in the right = direction in the archives? ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C2ECC2.7E642CA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Great stuff!
 
I'm setup to do this, although I = haven't been=20 intimate with my EDPs in almost a month due to personal and work-related = time=20 constraints.  I'll try my best to explain what I've = done:
 
Basically, I use NOTE mode for all the = banks to=20 control the EDPs.  Controller mode on the FCB1010 is no bueno for = the=20 EDPs.
 
The 00 bank and the 01 bank have the = same notes=20 assigned to the FCB1010 pedals.  Bank 00 will control both EDPs, = bank 01=20 will control just my "master" EDP.  You'll see how in just a=20 second.
The 02 bank has the same functions, but = driven by=20 notes which are +46 notes higher than bank 00 and bank 01.  =
 
My "Source #" parameter is set at 36 = (the default)=20 on both EDP's when I want to control both of them at once (via bank=20 00)
If I want to "separate" the EDPs, and = control them=20 separately (via banks 01 and 02), I set the "Source #" parameter on the = second=20 EDP to 82.  Then, bank 01 will control EDP #1 because it is = listening to=20 notes 36 thru 81, and bank 02 will control EDP #2 because it is now = listening to=20 notes 82 thru 127.  See pages 44 and 45 of the Loop IV upgrade = manual to=20 understand the note offsets for any DirectMIDI command.
 
Works well, although switching banks to = get between=20 EDP #1 and EDP #2 is part of the trick.
 
I wish that there was a DirectMIDI-way = to change=20 the "Source #" parameter, so I could just have a pedal on bank 00 or 01 = to set=20 it to 82 (and another to set it back to 36).  No go.  = Unfortunately,=20 "Source #" is also not one of the parameters that is saved as part of an = EDP=20 preset.  So, I have to reach out and move to the "Source #" = parameter, and=20 then use the Feedback knob to get to 82 (or back to 36) quickly. =20 *Gasp*  at having to touch the knobs!!  It's = so....  =20 neanderthal!! :)
 
Side note:  I moved the LoopTrig = parameter=20 below 36 to get it out of the way and avoid interference with this=20 approach.  I don't use it (currently), so I can't remember where I = put it=20 :)
 
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Looping9string@aol.com =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 = 2:04=20 PM
Subject: FCB 1010

I just bought the FCB 1010 I have been searching = the=20 archives but have not YET found anything specific to my = question...

If=20 I use the FCB 1010 and put the EDPs in controller mode, and push what = I have=20 designated for record on the pedal, it goes for 0.46 Seconds and then = acts as=20 if nothing had been done at all...

When using note mode, = everything=20 works BUT, my goal in using this was to have 3 banks...

Bank 00 = would=20 be controlling BOTH of my EDPs simultaneously...

Bank 01 would = be=20 controlling EDP 1

Bank 02 would be controlling EDP = 2

Could=20 anyone either help me please, or at least send me in the right = direction in=20 the archives?

 ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C2ECC2.7E642CA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 21:44:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2I2WI210164; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 21:32:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 21:32:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 03:38:42 +0100 Message-Id: <10303180338.AA00537@colectivo.ch> From: "realjesus" Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: automated response X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com bin bis 4.4.03 abwesend - danke i'm away till 4.4.03 - thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 21:57:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2I2nKJ12110; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 21:49:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 21:49:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [205.187.183.45] X-Original-From: chrismandel@juno.com Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 02:48:37 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:Loopin Digereedoo's X-Mailer: WebMail Version 1.0 From: chrismandel@juno.com Message-Id: <20030317.214855.1290.38007@webmail4.nyc.untd.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I saw that group a couple years ago in Boulder. I loved the looped didg, he's very good at it, but thougt the band was kinda boring. ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 22:11:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2I33IY14817; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:03:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:03:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:03:29 -0500 Subject: FCB 1010 From: kenn lowy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200303180230.h2I2UQi09934@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's odd that some people have no problem, and others (me, included) can't get it to work. I've done programming on everything from old (pre MIDI) synths, computers and floorboards. But this thing is an odd bird. klowy on 3/17/03 9:30 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com actually wrote: > Subject: Re: FCB 1010 > if it's any consolation, i'm still having a devil of a time getting my fcb to > work right...what i need is an edp-specific tutorial and i couldn't find one > in the archives. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 22:13:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2I37Ui15206; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:07:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:07:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: To: Subject: RE: Linux looper: Sooperlooper... Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:08:01 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c2ecfb$96399de0$6401a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > "SooperLooper is a looping sampler very much like the Gibson/Oberheim > Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP). In fact, it is a downright emulation of an EDP, > with some additional features and a silly name. I figured that the EDP > feature-set is powerful, proven, and popular -- so why not implement it as a > LADSPA plugin we can all use? It is a true realtime software looper if used > with a low-latency Linux kernel and the proper audio buffer configuration." Has anybody tried the Sooperlooper? I remember the first posting about it but nobody gave a review. I agree that it sounds quite quite nice. However, implementing the complete feature set of Loop III (and I'm certain Sooperlooper is based on Loop III specs), is really really difficult. So I wonder how complete the emulation is. Has anybody tried it? Curious Dennis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 17 22:20:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2I3AE315475; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:10:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:10:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:12:23 -0800 Subject: Re: Raison d'etre Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <7004CB13-58EF-11D7-8F64-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think a lot of my feelings for it are due to a battle against DJ culture. It seems that things are really set up for this in most of the venues I play, and that can make a big effort seem even bigger. When you find the stage has been replaced with a two turntables and a mixer, you can't help but read the writing on that wall. I never used to feel like this before, but I was doing a different type of music. I think if I was doing a different schtick, I'd be at different venues. I didn't feel bad when I do shows at a local place called 21 Grand. Why? Because it's totally geared for new and different music. I guess I'm just saying, "why am I battling this genera's (some call IDM) culture and infrastructure?" Maybe I'm just going for the wrong venues. Jon El Bizri would be the closest person on the list to myself in terms of what we're trying to do that I know. Jon? I'd love to hear his words on this topic. Mark On Monday, March 17, 2003, at 04:43 PM, ernesto schnack wrote: > On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:02:28 EST, wrote: >> Anywho, I thought I'd toss the old "Why the heck do we do what we >> do?" thread question out there again. It hasn't gone around lately >> anyway (at least I haven't seen it in circulation in a while). Maybe >> it'll inspire, > > Well, I do what I do because it's fun. And I play it for other people > because I'm usually proud of what I've done and hopefully someone out > there will like it. Of course that is the part where you realize most > people don't realize how much effort you put in which can get > frustrating, but what can you do? Just let it go and move on to the > next project...because it's fun... > > Ernesto > > -- > ernesto schnack > http://schnack.does.it > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 18 00:54:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2I5mjR01506; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 00:48:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 00:48:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c2ed11$b4445800$99d04c51@GarethWhittock> From: "Gareth Whittock" To: References: <4408075.1047935335033.JavaMail.nobody@dewey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: "Dragging Instruments Around" Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 05:46:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hehe, I agree but is going to see a DJ just like watching a guy play his record collection? Do people who don't play an instrument give a damn about how difficult something is to play or are they just getting off on the music? I personally dislike a lot of jazz because it seems to be musical masturbation or music as a sport - not as an art. > Regardless of the musical quality, the laptop performances I've seen have been like watching a guy check his e-mail for an hour or so while a CD plays over the PA. It's a tough hurdle to overcome. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 18 01:00:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2I5tt402195; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 00:55:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 00:55:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.177.11] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Raison d'etre Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 05:55:45 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Mar 2003 05:55:46.0723 (UTC) FILETIME=[0533AF30:01C2ED13] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:02:28 EST, wrote: >>Anywho, I thought I'd toss the old "Why the heck do we do what we do?" >>thread question out there again. It hasn't gone around lately anyway (at >>least I haven't seen it in circulation in a while). Maybe it'll inspire, I have actually asked this very question of a number of artist/colleagues in the past several months. Not just musicians and/or loopists, but visual artists, dancers, writers...even DJs. The closest I can come to an answer is: because we need to. Because we are compelled to do this thing we do. At the risk of being a cheap Hollywood cliche, it completes us. Art, of any kind, is the true measure of any society, and in their honesty it is the artists who bring final light to all of its truths and vices, virtues and lies. In some way, each of us must feel we are, by doing "this thing we do", beating back the darkness just a bit. 'Tho we all know that mostly we are just jousting with windmills...still we continue, and if by some small miracle we are able to really communicate with another human being, to touch them, to show them "other" possibilities..or perhaps ignite a small chuckle, a smile or a simple dance then we can walk home feeling successful at what we do. Will those in the "general public" ever fully understand the amount of work we undertake? It is doubtful. Music has become a bit of a disposable entertainment source of late, and most think this all very easy (and looping, like DJ-ing is not really "Playing music"). The countless hours of practice, tactics and techniques; of headaches and backaches will not doubt go un-noticed. But I don't really think that will change anyone's course. I don't think an artist really creates for the public, it is just a nice added bonus when the public is moved by or appreciates the work an artist does. We create for ourselves...because we have to...it is our compulsion. Jeez, Ted...what can of worms have you opened up here? Besides, what else are ya gonna do, fercrissake...being a graphic designer? ;-) Max _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 18 01:48:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2I6i4r07805; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 01:44:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 01:44:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Thompson" To: Subject: RE: "Dragging Instruments Around" meets "laptop live"... Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:44:00 -0800 Message-ID: <010201c2ed19$c30cb370$15a8a8c0@NOLA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000d01c2ecbb$14173560$f3aaf5d1@hmv5n> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I have been waiting for a QWERTY virtuoso to pop up, but haven't found > him/her yet. Write a program to map your computer keyboard keys to MIDI > notes. I enjoy looping and playing with a qwerty keyboard, using the keys for playing notes/phrases as well as invoking a variety of control functions. With "chording" (detecting several keys pressed simultaneously), the number of features you can access quickly is quite large, while still playing notes/phrases in parallel. Being able to associate letters with the features makes things easy to remember. (e.g. holding down "up-arrow" and "f" simultaneously increases the "fracticality") See http://nosuch.com/keykit/doc/lib/typo.html for a description (outdated, but gives you the jist) of the keyboard commands for my software. I'll be using this as my primary instrument when I play a set at 26mix in San Francisco next Tuesday, Mar 25. If things go as planned, I'll be typing on a wireless qwerty keyboard while dancing (well, plodding, actually) about on a playstation dance pad which also triggers notes/phrases. Visual enough? :-) Wish me luck. ...Tim... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 18 01:53:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2I6mdP08199; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 01:48:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 01:48:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006501c2ed1a$368df200$df64f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200303180230.h2I2UQY09935@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: raison d'etre Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:47:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why play, Ted? Because listening to FLUX AETERNA reaffirmed my own reasons for playing when I heard it the first of many times. Because music is the only international language Because music is the language that breaks through denial and transcends paradigms Because music makes it easier to live in this complex world and makes us feel alone. You got to move to the Bay Area or Santa Cruz, and start mixing regularly with 'your kind', bud!!!!!!!...............................LOL! Appreciatively, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 18 01:59:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2I6skB08806; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 01:54:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 01:54:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006d01c2ed1b$1085cfa0$df64f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200303180230.h2I2UQY09935@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: BORING LAPTOP PERFORMANCES? Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:53:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For everyone who thinks that laptop artists are boring live (and I have to agree, so far with 95% of the performances I've seen) I encourage you to check out the Avante Vocalist cum laptop looper PAMELA Z. It can be done gang...........it's just up to someone with the right sensibility to do it. I don't know about you guys, but virgin performance territory is my idea of a good time...........LOL. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 18 02:35:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2I7Ul012758; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 02:30:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 02:30:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <14a.1d27eb41.2ba8251d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 02:30:37 EST Subject: Re: FCB 1010 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > If I use the FCB 1010 and put the EDPs in controller mode, and push what I > have designated for record on the pedal, it goes for 0.46 Seconds and then > acts as if nothing had been done at all... Use NoteOn , not CC and all will be well andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 18 02:39:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2I7ZEC13016; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 02:35:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 02:35:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: "Dragging Instruments Around" Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 23:34:51 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <002301c2ed11$b4445800$99d04c51@GarethWhittock> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hehe, I agree but is going to see a DJ just like watching a guy play his > record collection? sometimes, sometimes not. you have to go see djs often to appreciate the subtleties. some people play their records, some people do some genuinely creative stuff. unfortunately most fall into the first camp. > Do people who don't play an instrument give a damn about how difficult > something is to play or are they just getting off on the music? > I personally dislike a lot of jazz because it seems to be musical > masturbation or music as a sport - not as an art. sounds like you haven't seen good jazz, or perhaps haven't developed a taste for it. jazz is, imho, in a very weird state right now... having moved into the world of 'classic' music, it's now a museum exhibit as well as an underground art form. lots of players learn in the museum school and just execute... some approach it is as their means of expression... these guys are the ones to watch. the difference is night and day. and the good stuff ain't that easy to find. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 18 03:00:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2I7u4F14728; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 02:56:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 02:56:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E76D026.3305A2C4@ubuibi.org> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 23:52:06 -0800 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BORING LAPTOP PERFORMANCES? References: <200303180230.h2I2UQY09935@hemlock.violacea.com> <006d01c2ed1b$1085cfa0$df64f93f@global> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: > For everyone who thinks that laptop artists are boring > live (and I have to agree, so far with 95% of the performances > I've seen) I encourage you to check out the > Avante Vocalist cum laptop looper PAMELA Z. oh, jebus NO, not that boring pretentious wank go see 'people like us' instead From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 18 07:57:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2ICqI806838; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 07:52:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 07:52:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030318125212.85127.qmail@web40505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 04:52:12 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: The benefit of both... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7004CB13-58EF-11D7-8F64-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <22tFXB.A.uqB.Caxd-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Its going to be really hard for a laptoper to beat a band that is sweating and grooving together live!When the groove is locked so tight between human beings its almost like a voodoo santeria ritual, which draws people into it.You can inject variations and dynamics when you feel the chemestry rising something machines will never accomplish.When i hear the old James Brown records it still sends shivers down my spine! Also when i play live and see the people dancing and enjoying our music there is an energy feedback which is very satisfying and hard to beat.I´ve seen guys playing shows only with laptops but as an expectator you definetively cannot expect to be moved by it.I think adapting electronics to your live music is where the secret is without letting electronics rule you.That is why loop devices seem more exciting to me because they feel more live and tend to record your human mistakes than programmed sequencers, although ive seen artists like Bowie and Peter Gabriel live do an excellent job with them. L.a ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 18 08:09:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2ID5L609184; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:05:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:05:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030318130515.39092.qmail@web40502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 05:05:15 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: "Dragging Instruments Around" meets "laptop live"... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <007a01c2ec60$86f4c940$a538fc0c@amd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kid Loco is cool all of the musicians have laptops running but none of them is sittng down with them and yes, they are palying live music with live instruments! --- Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > So, here's an idea, folks: Hook up your laptop > screen to a projector are > project what you are seeing -- or, at the very > least, get some kind of audio > visualizer program and project the output of that on > a big screen behind > you. If you intend to connect with the widest > possible audience, you must > include some kind of visual element in your > performance. Tim Reynolds > projects slides behind himself when he plays. > > And stand up. How much energy can you be > putting into your performance > if you're sitting down? I know I would rather sit > down and play all the > time, and I probably play better sitting down > (because I always practice > sitting down), but you will get over more often if > you stand up. Ah, the > harsh realities of presenting to the public. > > > ***DANGER***: HERE FOLLOWS AN EXTENSIVE RANT ABOUT > JOE AVERAGE'S PERCEPTION > OF MUSIC. > > It seems to me that most people who aren't > musicians don't actually > *listen* to music. They *watch* music. If music is > on at home or in the > car, they are usually not aware of anything other > than the words. If the > music is such that it asserts itself into the > forefront of the environment, > demanding attention, (e.g. Meshuggah, Squarepusher, > or basically anything > with above-average musical density in any respect > [harmonically, > rhythmically, melodically]) the average joe or joan > will feel uneasy > (translates into "dislike"). The negative effects > of higher-than-normal > compositional density seem to be circumventable by > adding plenty of humor > (e.g. Frank Zappa), or at the very least lots of > very easily understandable > lyrics presented in familiar melodic patterns (e.g. > Dave Matthews). But, in > general, the whole idea of music without words > doesn't make sense to the > vast majority of people who grow up on MTV and > commercial radio. > > I see this all the time when I play an opening > instrumental set with a > jazz quartet, then a singer joins us for the second > set. All of a sudden > people look up and start to pay attention because > there is someone singing > words. The minute she sits down and we play an > instrumental, eyes are back > to the beer glasses and soup bowls and the talking > resumes. And it's not > because the singers I play with are really great and > we suck. No words = no > music. It's just the way some [the majority?] > people are. > > I guess it comes down to giving people something > that they can relate > to. People can relate to someone singing, because > everyone has tried it at > some point. People can relate to someone who looks > like they're working > really hard (the "fuck face" as Jimmy George put it > -- hahahahah), because > most people have worked hard at something before. > Most people can't relate > to John Coltrane's playing on Interstellar Space, > because it doesn't > obviously relate to tonal music, which is the extent > of most people's > experience of music. Most people can't relate to a > guy standing there with > a laptop "making" music, because, if anything, maybe > they've picked up a > guitar, or banged on a drum one or twice in their > lives, so this is how they > understand music is made (hence the benefit of > dragging around and playing a > bunch of instruments). Only someone who knows > something about what is > involved in the creation of music on a computer will > be interested in what's > happening. But, as we only see the plastic shell of > the laptop and not the > screen there's not really much point to getting > really interested, because > you will never get the pay off. > > But, it all depends on who your target audience > is. Music geeks have a > higher tolerance for musical density, and lack of > "show." Just like > authors, when reading, have a higher tolerance for > literary references and > focus on character development, rather than plot > development and action. > > -J > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Sottilaro" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 9:47 PM > Subject: Re: Dragging Instruments Around > > > > Another aspect of the Laptop is the performance > issue. BORING. I once > > went to a big new music fest and my wife and I > walked out when a guy > > sat down with a laptop and began to produce what > seemed like slightly > > edgy techno. (IDM). We looked at each other and > said, "Would it > > matter if that was all coming from the CD player > in is Laptop?" The > > answer was: NO. > > > > Look at Hans. That wall of gear is part of the > show. So fun to watch > > him tame COLUSSUS: THE FORBIN PROJECT. Coupled > with a sequence of > > wardrobe changes that would make Cher jealous, > you've got one hell of a > > show... even if all his gear fails! (Sorry to rub > it in Hans, I love > > you and your music!) > > > > However, I feel that often I'm not that far away > from the laptop guy. > > At the ascension show we were in the dark in a > corner. I'm positive > > that most people weren't aware the music was live. > Didn't really > > matter on some level. A lot of people were there > and seemed to be > > having fun. We were the "ambient" reception > music, so that's OK. BUT: > > What if I had recorded a really killer set in > Digital Performer the > > night before, burned it to discs and showed up > with a DJ setup. One of > > those Pioneer CD players an iBook and a mixer. > Would there have been > > any difference? I'm not sure I think so. Should > I become a DJ of my > > own music? I think people are doing this. Anyone > here doing this? > > Could be a good way to go for this type of event. > (where dancing and > > socializing are the focus) When it's more of a > show (like Loopstock) > > then you go for performance mode. What do people > think? > > > > I saw Bjork live where she had someone who looked > like he was > > "performing" ProTools while she sung. OK, there > was a string orchestra > > too. Anyway, it worked for me. > > > > Mark Sottilaro > > > > On Sunday, March 16, 2003, at 01:41 AM, Rick > Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: > > > > > > I'm still not completely sold on buying a > laptop. > > > > > > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 18 08:22:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2IDHXO10550; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:17:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:17:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: The benefit of both... Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:17:31 -0500 Message-ID: <000201c2ed50$bbc28810$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20030318125212.85127.qmail@web40505.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h2IDHWM10524 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Maybe they will use Palms, PocketPCs or something else, anyone working on EDP type Looper for PocketPC :-) -----Original Message----- From: Louie Angulo [mailto:laab2000us@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 7:52 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: The benefit of both... Its going to be really hard for a laptoper to beat a band that is sweating and grooving together live!When the groove is locked so tight between human beings its almost like a voodoo santeria ritual, which draws people into it.You can inject variations and dynamics when you feel the chemestry rising something machines will never accomplish.When i hear the old James Brown records it still sends shivers down my spine! Also when i play live and see the people dancing and enjoying our music there is an energy feedback which is very satisfying and hard to beat.I´ve seen guys playing shows only with laptops but as an expectator you definetively cannot expect to be moved by it.I think adapting electronics to your live music is where the secret is without letting electronics rule you.That is why loop devices seem more exciting to me because they feel more live and tend to record your human mistakes than programmed sequencers, although ive seen artists like Bowie and Peter Gabriel live do an excellent job with them. L.a ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 18 08:24:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2IDJjZ10780; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:19:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:19:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: faisal@mail.interfree.it Message-Id: Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:18:00 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: faisal moro Subject: Hoffman Board Kits - anyone? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi there i was wondering if using these kits would allow me to built a rackmounted AC-30 clone. Well, i know i could, but i was wondering about the quality and fidelity of these kits. any comments? thanks! Faisal From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 18 09:11:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2IE66R17266; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 09:06:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 09:06:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030318140556.23717.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 06:05:56 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Hoffman Board Kits - anyone? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- faisal moro wrote: > i was wondering if using these kits would allow me > to built a rackmounted AC-30 clone. I believe that in addition to the parts that come with the kit (basically the circuit board, resistors, caps, pots, etc.) you also need to supply your own chassis (which would include the tubes, transformers, and so forth. Although the AC-30 clone's board is only a little over 3" by 10" (and that's *without* the tremolo channel board which they omit from the design for size reasons), you might have some trouble squeezing an AC-30 chassis into rack width. It's probably possible, but... -t- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 18 09:44:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2IEelw21772; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 09:40:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 09:40:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 06:42:12 -0800 Subject: Re: Raison d'etre Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200303181309.h2ID9qv09712@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h2IEekM21748 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Even though DJ performances usually don't float my boat, there are people who really dig it. The "live music" market is really more the "events that promote the consumption of alcohol" culture, so I don't take it personally. If it's just a fad, it'll pass. If it doesn't, there's something going on of value: figure out what that is and incorporate it into what you do, or find somewhere that values what you do. I agree with Adrian Legg (an electro-acoustic guitarist), quoted below: you take the music onstage, not the instrument. TH [interviewer]: Is this the philosophy behind the kind of--for lack of a better word--processing on your recordings and in concert? LEGG:  The use of toys? Yes. What’s the purpose of playing a guitar? The purpose is to go on stage and communicate with people, to deliver some kind of emotional message, to affect their lives emotionally at that point. Whether it lasts doesn’t so much matter, as long as something changes in them at the point when you play. ...And the bottom line is that you must be able to take the music onstage, not the guitar. The first imperative for the musician is communication, not with other musicians but with other people. So the line is: How am I going to do that, how am I going to deliver this kind of emotional message on a stage? On Tuesday, March 18, 2003, at 05:09 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > I think a lot of my feelings for it are due to a battle against DJ > culture. It seems that things are really set up for this in most of > the venues I play, and that can make a big effort seem even bigger. > When you find the stage has been replaced with a two turntables and a > mixer, you can't help but read the writing on that wall. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 18 09:44:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2IEdrn21652; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 09:39:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 09:39:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 09:46:29 -0500 Subject: some fcb1010 & repeater programming questions From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3130825589_169264_MIME_Part" X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop017.verizon.net from [141.149.186.78] at Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:39:46 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3130825589_169264_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit hello all-- I've been hibernating with a final mix of a full-length solo bass CD (played live and looped with EDP and DL4) -- it's in the final tweaking stages-- thus, haven't been on the list much lately. Hope all is good with everyone. I also finally got around to dealing with my FCB/ Repeater combination, and have come up stumped in a couple of areas. I've checked the archives of this list, the FCB list, and the Repeater list, and not been able to find what I need. Any help would be much appreciated. Can anyone send specific parameters to program the FCB to: Have one expression pedal change the volume level of all 4 tracks simultaneously (probably impossible, but if there's a way, that would be awesome) Overdub and stop overdub with a footpress Program the same footswitch to play and to stop a loop (tried Weg's parameters, but it didn't work) Tap tempo A lot of these issues seem to have to do with whether the footswitch works as a toggle or not-- is there a way to control this in the global parameters? Thanks much for your help, dan -- ghost 7/ Oranje http://envelopeproductions.com d.ans@verizon.net --MS_Mac_OE_3130825589_169264_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable some fcb1010 & repeater programming questions hello all--

I've been hibernating with a final mix of a full-length solo bass CD (playe= d live and looped with EDP and DL4) -- it's in the final tweaking stages-- t= hus, haven't been on the list much lately. Hope all is good with everyone.
I also finally got around to dealing with my FCB/ Repeater combination, and= have come up stumped in a couple of areas. I've checked the archives of thi= s list, the FCB list, and the Repeater list, and not been able to find what = I need. Any help would be much appreciated.

Can anyone send specific parameters to program the FCB to:


Have one expression pedal change the volume level of all 4 tracks simultane= ously (probably impossible, but if there's a way, that would be awesome)


Overdub and stop overdub with a footpress


Program the same footswitch to play and to stop a loop (tried Weg's paramet= ers, but it didn't work)


Tap tempo


A lot of these issues seem to have to do with whether the footswitch works = as a toggle or not-- is there a way to control this in the global parameters= ?



Thanks much for your help,


dan


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--MS_Mac_OE_3130825589_169264_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 18 11:40:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2IGUNL05069; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:30:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:30:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000001c2ed39$10af5500$a12f9e40@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <4408075.1047935335033.JavaMail.nobody@dewey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> <002301c2ed11$b4445800$99d04c51@GarethWhittock> Subject: Re: "Dragging Instruments Around" Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 00:33:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Do people who don't play an instrument give a damn about how difficult something is to play or are they just getting off on the music?" i'll use my mother as an example: she knows absolutely nothing about music or musicianship. she really likes elton john. if she were brave, she might go to a concert of his. if he got up on stage and popped the card into the digital piano, and just tossed in a few extra notes here and there, she would probably not like it. now i don't know about difficutly having anything to do with it, but i think even the most musically-retarded people still go out for performances (whether it's country joe and the fish or joe satriani), under which i do not consider laptopica to belong. "I personally dislike a lot of jazz because it seems to be musical masturbation or music as a sport - not as an art." when jazz is done right, it's art. when it's done wrong, it's the worst. however, legit jazz (and classical) both have a very high talent bar...sort of a no-hacks allowed rule. -jim -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 18 12:34:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2IHSPD13059; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:28:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:28:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006d01c2ed1b$1085cfa0$df64f93f@global> References: <200303180230.h2I2UQY09935@hemlock.violacea.com> <006d01c2ed1b$1085cfa0$df64f93f@global> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 09:22:12 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: BORING LAPTOP PERFORMANCES? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:53 PM -0800 3/17/03, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: >For everyone who thinks that laptop artists are boring live (and I >have to agree, so far with 95% of the performances I've seen) I >encourage you to check out the Avante Vocalist cum laptop looper >PAMELA Z. Pamela Z is a performer who started using electronics and ended up using a laptop. Many laptopists are electronic composers who started performing when laptops made it practical to do so. It's largely a matter of temperament. When you were six years old were you singing for the relatives or were you in the basement building model kits? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 18 12:40:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2IHZ9W13883; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:35:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:35:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:35:00 -0500 From: Guywithatele@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BORING LAPTOP PERFORMANCES? MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <657E2328.10F251F2.2437D650@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "When you were six years old were you singing for the relatives or were you in the basement building model kits?" A perfect distinction! I would use a laptop in my band if I had either. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 18 12:42:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2IHbtL14173; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:37:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:37:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:37:31 -0500 From: Guywithatele@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "Dragging Instruments Around" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <245C184D.434563EA.2437D650@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "...legit jazz (and classical) both have a very high talent bar...sort of a no-hacks allowed rule." Kind of like (bad) rock and punk: no minor 9ths allowed. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 18 12:49:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2IHhvl15290; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:43:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:43:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <7b.cc78848.2ba8b4d3@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:43:47 EST Subject: Re: Raison d'etre To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h2IHhvM15266 Resent-Message-ID: <5yqTAB.A.xuD.dr1d-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Max, In a message dated 3/17/03 9:56:24 PM, ekstasis1@hotmail.com writes: >In some way, each of us must feel we are, by doing "this thing we do," >beating back the darkness just a bit. 'Tho we all know that mostly we >are just jousting with windmills... Well, said. Heheh. That's just what the doctor ordered. Thanks! Even a hopeless cause is still a cause nonetheless. I should remember that. Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn ArsOcarina@aol.com http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 18 13:02:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2IHpvX16202; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:51:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:51:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c2ed77$1042ce60$0100a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <200303180230.h2I2UQY09935@hemlock.violacea.com> <006d01c2ed1b$1085cfa0$df64f93f@global> Subject: Re: BORING LAPTOP PERFORMANCES? Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 17:51:48 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 17:22:PM Subject: Re: BORING LAPTOP PERFORMANCES? > At 10:53 PM -0800 3/17/03, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: > >For everyone who thinks that laptop artists are boring live (and I > >have to agree, so far with 95% of the performances I've seen) I > >encourage you to check out the Avante Vocalist cum laptop looper > >PAMELA Z. > > Pamela Z is a performer who started using electronics and ended up > using a laptop. Many laptopists are electronic composers who started > performing when laptops made it practical to do so. I understand she's also a Body Synth user-operator-performer. > It's largely a matter of temperament. When you were six years old > were you singing for the relatives or were you in the basement > building model kits? What if one was in the basement building models and singing anyway? Granted the fumes might have helped, but hey! > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 18 13:09:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2II4eF19163; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:04:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:04:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030318180434.35851.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:04:34 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: "Dragging Instruments Around" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <245C184D.434563EA.2437D650@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Guywithatele@aol.com wrote: > "...legit jazz (and classical) both have a very high > talent bar...sort of a no-hacks allowed rule." > > Kind of like (bad) rock and punk: no minor 9ths > allowed. I think it's interesting to see how not so long ago the prevalent 'wisdom' used to be that "jazz" chords (9ths and their augmented/demented/fermented kindred) didn't mix with "rock" things like 'hairy monster from the depths' mega-distortion, and now the twain meet sorta often. Maybe Andre's latest start-stop abrupt stutter stuff is indeed a harbinger of thangs to come... :^) -t- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 18 13:13:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2II8g719726; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:08:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:08:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:08:25 -0500 From: Guywithatele@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Raison d'etre MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <60327D00.6B0B1621.2437D650@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ted - YES! That is some WICKED feedback. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 18 13:14:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2II9xJ19963; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:09:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:09:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030318180953.9785.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:09:53 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Pamela Z (was:BORING LAPTOP PERFORMANCES?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001001c2ed77$1042ce60$0100a8c0@eluk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Steve Goodman wrote: > I understand she's also a Body Synth > user-operator-performer. Here's a blurb where she talks about it... -t- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 18 13:19:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2IIDvk20589; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:13:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:13:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001001c2ed77$1042ce60$0100a8c0@eluk> References: <200303180230.h2I2UQY09935@hemlock.violacea.com> <006d01c2ed1b$1085cfa0$df64f93f@global> <001001c2ed77$1042ce60$0100a8c0@eluk> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:08:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: BORING LAPTOP PERFORMANCES? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:51 PM +0000 3/18/03, Steve Goodman wrote: >I understand [Pamela Z is] also a Body Synth user-operator-performer. She started with a few digital delays, then added a Roland VP-70 voice processor, then the body synth. >What if one was in the basement building models and singing anyway? Were the relatives in the basement too? >Granted the fumes might have helped I spent many hours in a tiny room with no ventilation, unintentionally inhaling fumes from airplane glue and enamel. Who knows how many brains cells I lost? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 18 13:45:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2IIaa824187; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:36:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:36:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030318130330.00a94cc8@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: anticlockwise@tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:45:50 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: boredoms (no, not THOSE boredoms...) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <8nUVqC.A.y5F.0c2d-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com laptop shows. yeah, when it comes to boredom they're an interesting issue. do they actually serve to redefine what performances can (ought to?) be? do they realign one's expectations when preparing to go to hear a show? i've seen tons of gigs by folks flailing on guitars that were boring as all get out - clearly, the screengazers have no corner on the market when it comes to tediousness. and like everyone i've been to some pretty tiring computer-driven shows. stylistically speaking - for the most part i love that bloop-bleep shit. hey, i'm kicking back at my favorite cocktail lounge downing a few blood-orange kozmos? that's what's pulsating away on the sound system. can't generate the stuff myself, but i'm glad someone's out there doing it. and it kills me that the style seems such fair game these days for every TV car ad. really sad. but what about merzbow? is THAT what you mean by "boring laptop"? man, that show was more aggressive than any 18 metal bands all performing simultaneously (a sound you can experience by coming to the building i rehearse in any night of the week and riding the elevator all the way up to 12.) or maybe michael schumacher - who can make you wonder if a laptop is actually an acoustic intrument... creating a shifting aural environment for just a few people at the 220 grand loft... clearly everyone in attendance was VERY focused on this personal, highly intimate performace. thenagain - i remember going to see portishead at the hammersmith here in nyc few years back. now there's an intimate sound for ya. and there they were, a _real band_ all live on stage (with the _real_ beth!) and STILL half the auditorium was nothing but jabber, jabber jabber. maybe people just won't pay any attention unless the dB's generated from the PA can exceed the ones from their all-important conversations. finally - a word about real vinyl slingin' djs - make no final decisions til you've seen spooky. or olive. a turntable IS an instrument. it's just that not too many people can actually PLAY the damn thing. over n out. a:c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 18 13:47:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2IIeIe24608; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:40:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:40:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030318184016.84556.qmail@web11408.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:40:16 -0800 (PST) From: "Rich R." Subject: Re: some fcb1010 & repeater programming questions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't know the capabilities of the Repeater, but with my stuff I can do a lot of similar functions. For example, I can do loop record/overdub with a single pedal, along with stop/start, forward/reverse, regular/half speed and tap tempo on my Echo Pro using the FCB1010. I use CC messages to do this. With firmware revision 2.2 and up the FCB1010 can cycle through two different values for a CC number. So, and I can't remember the CC number off hand, but say for loop/overdub it uses CC# 34 with a value of 00-64 for overdub and a value of 65-128 for loop. The first press starts loop recording and the second press will start overdubbing out of loop recording. I have the same pedal in all banks of my FCB1010 set up to do this and it works fine. Isn't it possible to set up the Repeater to have all tracks' volume respond to the same expression pedal? It seems to me that it would be no different than assigning effects parameters to an expression pedal, which the FCB1010 has no problems doing. If it can't then that's a pretty severe limitation of a fundamental sort for the Repeater. Anyway, here's how to set up a tap tempo: http://www.altrion.org/fcb1010/taptempo.html Here's how to utilize cycling CC values: http://www.altrion.org/fcb1010/extra.html Good luck! --- Dan Soltzberg wrote: > hello all-- > > I've been hibernating with a final mix of a > full-length solo bass CD (played > live and looped with EDP and DL4) -- it's in the > final tweaking stages-- > thus, haven't been on the list much lately. Hope all > is good with everyone. > > I also finally got around to dealing with my FCB/ > Repeater combination, and > have come up stumped in a couple of areas. I've > checked the archives of this > list, the FCB list, and the Repeater list, and not > been able to find what I > need. Any help would be much appreciated. > > Can anyone send specific parameters to program the > FCB to: > > > Have one expression pedal change the volume level of > all 4 tracks > simultaneously (probably impossible, but if there's > a way, that would be > awesome) > > > Overdub and stop overdub with a footpress > > > Program the same footswitch to play and to stop a > loop (tried Weg's > parameters, but it didn't work) > > > Tap tempo > > > A lot of these issues seem to have to do with > whether the footswitch works > as a toggle or not-- is there a way to control this > in the global > parameters? > > > > Thanks much for your help, > > > dan > > > -- > ghost 7/ Oranje > http://envelopeproductions.com > d.ans@verizon.net > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 18 13:47:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2IIeWt24648; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:40:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:40:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030318103719.04e15770@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:40:41 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: BORING LAPTOP PERFORMANCES? In-Reply-To: References: <006d01c2ed1b$1085cfa0$df64f93f@global> <200303180230.h2I2UQY09935@hemlock.violacea.com> <006d01c2ed1b$1085cfa0$df64f93f@global> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <3tKCIC.A._AG.fg2d-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:22 AM 3/18/2003, Richard Zvonar wrote: >It's largely a matter of temperament. When you were six years old were you >singing for the relatives or were you in the basement building model kits? I was building models, and I find laptop performances incredibly boring. So I guess it must be the singers who enjoy sitting through these shows? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 18 13:47:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2IIdCL24456; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:39:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:39:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E7766E0.F7847B9A@ubuibi.org> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:35:13 -0800 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Pamela Z IS a BORING LAPTOP PERFORMANCER References: <20030318180953.9785.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------EF397630E6E123742CFFDB9A" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------EF397630E6E123742CFFDB9A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the worst of performance art and modern dance...politically correct puke Tim Nelson wrote: > --- Steve Goodman wrote: > > I understand she's also a Body Synth > > user-operator-performer. > > Here's a blurb where she talks about it.......get ready to gag > > > --------------EF397630E6E123742CFFDB9A Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  
the worst of performance art and modern dance...politically correct puke

Tim Nelson wrote:

--- Steve Goodman <spgoodman@earthlight.net> wrote:
> I understand she's also a Body Synth
> user-operator-performer.

Here's a blurb where she talks about it.......get ready to gag
<http://www.cdemusic.org/artists/z.html>
 
 

--------------EF397630E6E123742CFFDB9A-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 18 14:02:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2IIsgj26950; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:54:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:54:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030318130330.00a94cc8@mail.pdfsystems.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030318130330.00a94cc8@mail.pdfsystems.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:54:34 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: boredoms (no, not THOSE boredoms...) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: -4.7 () IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.29 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >finally - a word about real vinyl slingin' djs - > >make no final decisions til you've seen spooky. or olive. a >turntable IS an instrument. it's just that not too many people can >actually PLAY the damn thing. > Just like guitar ;-) I'd add DJ Shadow and Cut Chemist to the list above too, there's a video called "Thud Rumble" that has a performance by them that is just jaw dropping. And they are clearly improvising. I saw DJ Olive a few weeks ago with Dave Douglas new septet, and he did an amazing solo, using 2 copies of what was probably a live jazz lp, taking a spoken word intro to a piece and turning it into walls of multilayered jibberish. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 18 14:18:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2IJ8lj29768; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:08:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:08:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:07:43 -0500 Subject: wartime entertainment Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: David Myers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030318130330.00a94cc8@mail.pdfsystems.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Guess this is an opportune moment to jump in here and mention that I'll be doing an installation/performance with Boston composer Ellen Band at Michael's nifty space Diapason (http://www.diapasongallery.com) here in NYC. Saturday night, 6-12 PM, at 1026 6th Avenue (33rd Street). Yes, NYC in the middle of war. Those guys in the subway with the fatigues and the M-16s will make you feel safe! Set your TIVOs to catch the TV fireworks and come on down! David Lee Myers Feedback Music at http://www.pulsewidth.com On Tuesday, March 18, 2003, at 01:45 PM, anti:clockwise wrote: > or maybe michael schumacher - who can make you wonder if a laptop is > actually an acoustic intrument... creating a shifting aural > environment for just a few people at the 220 grand loft... clearly > everyone in attendance was VERY focused on this personal, highly > intimate performace. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 18 15:22:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2IKFpj07128; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:15:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:15:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.14.93.11] From: "Will Wright" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BORING LAPTOP PERFORMANCES? Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:15:44 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Mar 2003 20:15:45.0294 (UTC) FILETIME=[2858CAE0:01C2ED8B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I spent many hours in a tiny room with no ventilation, unintentionally >inhaling fumes from airplane glue and enamel. Who knows how many brains >cells I lost? Only the weak ones! Culling the herd! Will Wright _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 18 15:27:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2IKK7W07549; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:20:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:20:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c2ed8b$c2b257a0$0100a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <200303180230.h2I2UQY09935@hemlock.violacea.com> <006d01c2ed1b$1085cfa0$df64f93f@global> <001001c2ed77$1042ce60$0100a8c0@eluk> Subject: Re: BORING LAPTOP PERFORMANCES? Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:19:57 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 18:08:PM Subject: Re: BORING LAPTOP PERFORMANCES? > At 5:51 PM +0000 3/18/03, Steve Goodman wrote: > > >I understand [Pamela Z is] also a Body Synth user-operator-performer. > > She started with a few digital delays, then added a Roland VP-70 > voice processor, then the body synth. > > >What if one was in the basement building models and singing anyway? > > Were the relatives in the basement too? No, we moved to NJ in '64, and the relatives were all scattered round the West. :) > >Granted the fumes might have helped > > I spent many hours in a tiny room with no ventilation, > unintentionally inhaling fumes from airplane glue and enamel. Who > knows how many brains cells I lost? I suspect far more damage - the documented kind - is done by those who intentionally do the sniffing. That fatal word "more"... Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and Illustrations! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 18 15:32:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2IKP2h08161; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:25:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:25:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.14.93.11] From: "Will Wright" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: boredoms (no, not THOSE boredoms...) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:24:56 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Mar 2003 20:24:56.0402 (UTC) FILETIME=[70D53320:01C2ED8C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For me what this all boils down to is not "Are laptops (or any other piece of equipment really) boring" but rather what the hell am I going to do to make a show interesting? I'm probably going to be thinking about this for a while, whether or not I ever perform it's an interesting thing to consider. Will Wright _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 18 19:14:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2J085l08477; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:08:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:08:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030319000803.75407.qmail@web12307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:08:03 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: talkative audiences To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200303181847.h2IIlbE25469@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <_UtaMC.A.VEC.lT7d-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <<> Pete Townshend once said that was why The Who were so loud early on in their career, because he wanted the band to be what everyone was focused on without any of the inane behaviour human beings engage in when they go anywhere there's a bar. I can never comprehend people who spend upwards of 50 bucks (or more) to go to a concert, then spend the entire show basically ignoring the band and carrying on a conversation. I mean, you can do to any bar in the world and do that, and save yourself the price of the concert ticket. I remember a few years ago, when I saw Roy Harper in concert, after each of the first two or three songs, he turned his attention to someone sitting in the front, saying things like "You know I can tell you what you've been talking about during each song", etc. Finally, I think it was the third or fourth song (a very quiet ballad), he stopped IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SONG, and basically said something like "Would you please either stop talking or go to the back of the room!!!", in a very pissed off tone of voice. Hey, he TRIED being polite about it, about ya know how Americans are. :-P ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 18 20:34:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2J1TFs18578; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:29:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:29:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030319012908.24312.qmail@web80201.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 17:29:08 -0800 (PST) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: Re: Pamela Z IS a BORING LAPTOP PERFORMANCER To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3E7766E0.F7847B9A@ubuibi.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "the worst of performance art and modern dance...politically correct puke" and i already hate both performance art and modern dance! maybe i should stay away... -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 18 20:41:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2J1aDG19271; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:36:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:36:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030319013608.19781.qmail@web80207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 17:36:08 -0800 (PST) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: Re: BORING LAPTOP PERFORMANCES? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <657E2328.10F251F2.2437D650@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <-PBK_D.A.AtE.Nm8d-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "I would use a laptop in my band if I had either." i don't think this is the issue...i'm in the process of incorporating a laptop into the loop-a-riffic ROCK BAND in which i play. sorry to harp on it again, but when i saw TELEFON TEL AVIV, they used three tibooks, fender rhodes, synth, and bass guitar...very fun to watch. but the opening acts were both "playing" the laptop exclusively... ...zzzzzz..... -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 18 21:31:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2J2NwU25450; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 21:23:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 21:23:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 18:26:12 -0800 Subject: Re: talkative audiences Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030319000803.75407.qmail@web12307.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <2705BA92-59B2-11D7-A2CF-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a totally different issue. I don't care if people are talking during my music. A lot of the time it's ambient and meant to be part of the enviornment. If it's dancy, it's usually loud enough that I can't hear people anyway. No, people talking to each other isn't my issue. My issue is that people talk to me. Now, most of you know that I'm so nice and friendly that it's hard to resist having a nice chat with me. I'm a prince of a guy, what can I say? But while I'm playing? It's pretty incredible. Pretty much every show someone will come up to me and actually start to engage in conversation right in the middle of a piece. So very weird. At my last gig I actually had to turn my back on a guy and pretend I couldn't hear him over the music. I'm thinking of starting to wear DJ headphones partially for the monitors, but also to stop people from asking me about what synth module I'm using while I'm using it. Does anyone else have this problem? It never used to happen when I was doing group orientated pop/rock type music. Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, March 18, 2003, at 04:08 PM, Chris Richards wrote: > << unless the dB's generated from the PA can > exceed the ones from their all-important > conversations.>> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 18 21:54:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2J2jsg27455; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 21:45:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 21:45:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Guywithatele@aol.com Message-ID: <18f.17a38999.2ba933d3@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 21:45:39 EST Subject: Re: talkative audiences To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 46 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 3/18/03 9:25:10 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: << I'm thinking of starting to wear DJ headphones partially for the monitors >> I've seen gas masks worn. Then again, that may or not be pc nowadays. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 18 22:28:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2J3NCi32312; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:23:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:23:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030319032305.56700.qmail@web80203.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:23:05 -0800 (PST) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: Re: talkative audiences To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <2705BA92-59B2-11D7-A2CF-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com it's pretty easy for folks to tell if i'm playing. a checklist: -- making funny faces -- strumming big brown thing with strings on it -- hitting grey box with mallets -- pushing down little white/black keys on red box plus, i usually perform so deafeningly loud that conversation within a 100-foot-radius simply isn't an option. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 18 22:44:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2J3ct801331; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:38:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:38:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006101c2edc9$35ef9ba0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <2705BA92-59B2-11D7-A2CF-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: talkative audiences Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 21:39:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In the drunk-punk band I used to play in, we would have just kicked them in the nuts and then pushed them off of the stage. Try it. It might work for you :) Doug > My issue is that people talk to me. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 18 22:50:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2J3jSd02163; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:45:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:45:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:45:27 -0500 Subject: Re: New Album Preview Part 1 From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3E759C68.56CDE723@earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com bravo, andre... if I was gonna blow my speakers, this would be one of the most refined ways of doing so... all the best, and thanks for pushing the envelope... again. t. On 3/17/03 4:59 AM, "Andre LaFosse" wrote: > Don't call it a comeback... I've been here for years: > > http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/seismic.mp3 > > This is a live EDP solo, and the first "single" from the forthcoming > album I've been compiling for the last several months. Like the rest of > the material on the album, it's several steps beyond any Echoplex solos > I've made available before. > > This particular track sounds kind of like a late '90s jungle remix of > mid-'70s Miles Davis - "Pangea" by way of "Modus Operandi," maybe. > > There are no drum samples, no overdubs, and no edits (apart from the > fade-out) - it's one guitar through one EDP through one tube amp. Some > EQ, compression/limiting, and stereo imaging was applied after the fact, > but those are the only effects. (By downloading this track, you agree > to absolve me of responsibility for any damage sustained to your subwoofer.) > > Technical geek note: quantize was turned OFF for this track, so all of > the Replace action was done completely manually. > > The new album will run about 74 minutes, it'll contain nearly 20 tracks > (including EDP solos as well as produced tracks using Echoplex > performances as foundations for editing and overdubs), and it should be > pressed up in a few weeks. > > How ya like me now, > > --Andre LaFosse > The Echoplex Analysis Pages: > http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 18 23:22:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2J4HD106925; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 23:17:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 23:17:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Cfilben@aol.com Message-ID: <175.17acf48f.2ba9493f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 23:17:03 EST Subject: When you give a Redneck a Looper... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_175.17acf48f.2ba9493f_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_175.17acf48f.2ba9493f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howdy Guys and Gals, I'm new to looping and new to this site. I have a right nice collection of loopers and their music but am just beginning to try looping out myself. A loop-fanatic friend and I got together and commenced to loopin' and I thought I'd share some virgin looper thoughts. First, I'm a bassist and predominantly play Wal's, so the looping is pretty dense. Well, last night we went to loopin' sumpin' fierce (guitar and bass). Things seemed to be on track, sounds were Eno-esque, textures dripping. Before long it got to sounding like a bunch of crickets on steroids with some high-fidelity ambulance sirens to boot. I was digging the sounds at first but after about two minutes all kind of shit was hittin' the fan and I had to cover my ears thanks to the amplified crickets. Here's the catch---I thought the guitarist was makin' all that racket and I had already set my bass down to cover my ears. I noticed the guitarist puttin' the fingers in her ears too and thought somethin' was amiss. Well, before long I asked (screemingly) if we shouldn't turn things down before the police came. Confound it if all the dang noise wasn't coming from my setup. This here loopin' has done messed up my mind, but I love it!!! 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I'm new to looping and new to this site. I have a right nice collection of l= oopers and their music but am just beginning to try looping out myself. A lo= op-fanatic friend and I got together and commenced to loopin' and I thought=20= I'd share some virgin looper thoughts.

First, I'm a bassist and predominantly play Wal's, so the looping is pretty=20= dense. Well, last night we went to loopin' sumpin' fierce (guitar and bass).= Things seemed to be on track, sounds were Eno-esque, textures dripping. Bef= ore long it got to sounding like a bunch of crickets on steroids with some h= igh-fidelity ambulance sirens to boot. I was digging the sounds at first but= after about two minutes all kind of shit was hittin' the fan and I had to c= over my ears thanks to the amplified crickets. Here's the catch---I thought=20= the guitarist was makin' all that racket and I had already set my bass down=20= to cover my ears. I noticed the guitarist puttin' the fingers in her ears to= o and thought somethin' was amiss. Well, before long I asked (screemingly) i= f we shouldn't turn things down before the police came. Confound it if all t= he dang noise wasn't coming from my setup. This here loopin' has done messed= up my mind, but I love it!!!

Stanley Planet --part1_175.17acf48f.2ba9493f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 18 23:31:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2J4QES07886; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 23:26:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 23:26:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: boredoms (no, not THOSE boredoms...) References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030318130330.00a94cc8@mail.pdfsystems.com> Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed From: ernesto schnack Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 23:26:04 -0500 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030318130330.00a94cc8@mail.pdfsystems.com> User-Agent: Opera7.03/Win32 M2 build 2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:45:50 -0500, anti:clockwise wrote: > or maybe michael schumacher - who can make you wonder if a laptop is > actually an acoustic intrument... creating a shifting aural environment > for just a few people at the 220 grand loft... clearly everyone in > attendance was VERY focused on this personal, highly intimate performace. > That's a good point. Maybe it all boils down to laptop performers finding the right venue/audience/environment to play in. When I play solo guitar gigs I have to think a lot about where I'm playing and if it'll fit the mood properly. In the right setting it can be intimate and captivating...in the worng one it can be totally uninteresting. > finally - a word about real vinyl slingin' djs - > > make no final decisions til you've seen spooky. or olive. and Mix Master Mike and Kid Koala (he even plays melodies on the thing, although it's a bit of a gimmick, I don't know if it's something he does regularly) Ernesto -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 19 00:05:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2J4xUs12526; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 23:59:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 23:59:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c2edd4$83d7c1c0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: Re: Loopin Digereedoo's Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 00:00:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop017.verizon.net from [68.160.155.254] at Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:59:23 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I guess I should have joined his outfit when I had the chance... Here in Boston, we have a man who in the past did some wonderful Dig.-based looping. Mt Daniel Orlanski. Great guy and cool sounds. Has anyone seen him recently? David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wolf, Bill" To: Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 12:11 PM Subject: Loopin Digereedoo's > Saw an interesting loop basecd show the other night here in NYC. Dr Didg. He plays a didgereedoo and keyboards into among other things, two Jammans. Musically it was groovy and funky - I really enjoyed myself. He was accompanied by bass, drums, guitar. For the most part, he'd lay down some short funky didg line and then the band would jam to it. Loopwise, pretty basic technique but the results were a lot of fun. For one song he pulled out a homemade didg that had keys. Looked like a giant oboe. It was amazing. > > Check out www.drdidg.com (The Dr part comes from his having a PhD in physics > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 19 00:06:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2J518P12767; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 00:01:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 00:01:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c2edd4$be59c8c0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: Re: Raison d'etre Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 00:02:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [68.160.155.254] at Tue, 18 Mar 2003 23:01:01 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why I do what I do? --- actually, I un-do... :-) It's not easier, but it's more exciting. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Will Wright" To: Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 7:27 PM Subject: Re: Raison d'etre > > Why I do what I do? > > Well when I figure out what I do actually is, then I'll start working on why > :) > > Will Wright > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 19 00:22:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2J5H9R14378; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 00:17:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 00:17:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005901c2edd6$faefd0c0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <20030319000803.75407.qmail@web12307.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: talkative audiences - Roy Harper rules - nuts Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 00:18:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [68.160.155.254] at Tue, 18 Mar 2003 23:17:02 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone who has a chance to see Roy Harper really would be well advised to check him out. One could call him an English "Willie Nelson" meets "Bob Dylan" -- and I'm sure he'd cringe at this description. I think Kate Bush once said Roy Harper is an English treasure. On the subject of people talking to me while I play - Ten minutes into a set, I once had one guy come right up to the stage front and ask me what I thought of Michael Brooks. I had no response. Looking back on it, and with inspiration from Doug Cox, I should just kicked them in the nuts, spat on his shoes and pushed a monitor off the stage onto him. Of course, you never think of the good come-backs until it's too late, huh? :-) David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 19 01:35:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2J6RhG22001; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 01:27:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 01:27:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E780CEE.62BCFDA2@ubuibi.org> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:23:42 -0800 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: talkative audiences - Roy Harper rules References: <20030319000803.75407.qmail@web12307.mail.yahoo.com> <005901c2edd6$faefd0c0$0affff0a@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes roy harper along with richard thompson, robert wyatt and daevid allen are the grandest of the english folk bards David wrote: > Anyone who has a chance to see Roy Harper really would be well advised to > check him out. One could call him an English "Willie Nelson" meets "Bob > Dylan" -- and I'm sure he'd cringe at this description. > > I think Kate Bush once said Roy Harper is an English treasure. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 19 08:44:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2JDbhF31427; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 08:37:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 08:37:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030319133736.33890.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 05:37:36 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: talkative audiences To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <2705BA92-59B2-11D7-A2CF-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- mark wrote: > A lot of the time it's ambient and > meant to be part of the environment... One time I was playing in a small room where there were 15-20 people, and coming off a break I intentionally but discreetly let the sound of the audience's ethyl-augmented socializing in through a mic onto a short loop of seven seconds or so, and layered it up a couple of times so it sounded like more hubbub but not so much that individual words/sentences were obliterated beyond recognition. I kept the fader down so you couldn't hear the loop; it looked like I was just getting ready to start playing again... Midway through the next piece, I faded in the babel-loop, mixing it prominently over the very sparse loop I'd been playing. It was interesting to watch the light bulbs switch on over (some of) their heads and big grins when they realized why the voices sounded familiar! They didn't quiet down any, though... 8^P -t- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 19 09:00:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2JDtAZ00690; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 08:55:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 08:55:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030319135504.53075.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 05:55:04 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: talkative audiences/gas masks To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <18f.17a38999.2ba933d3@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <7i6kpB.A.pK.-aHe-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Guywithatele@aol.com wrote: > sine@zerocrossing.net writes: > << I'm thinking of starting to wear DJ headphones... > > I've seen gas masks worn. Then again, that may or > not be pc nowadays. I did a show once as part of a trio where the keyboardist and I were concerned that we wouldn't be able to see our pedals/controls since the room was so dark in order for the film projections to show up. So one of us came up with the bright idea to wear head-mounted lighting; he had these glasses with little flashlights at the corners, and I had this strap-on miner's lantern-in-the-middle-of-my-forehead affair going on. After seeing pictures of it and realizing how unbelievably dorky we looked (even though I *was* wearing an ultra-cool LD t-shirt), I've retired the damn thing, although I think the other guy has continued to wear his... -t- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 19 09:06:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2JE1Vr02680; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:01:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:01:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030319140125.43309.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 06:01:25 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Loopin Digereedoo's To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000801c2edd4$83d7c1c0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- David wrote: > Here in Boston, we have... Daniel Orlanski. > Great guy and cool sounds. > Has anyone seen him recently? I haven't seen him since one of your earlier Boston Loopers' Collective shows at the Middle East, but I can vouch for his 'cool sounds'. Sitting up on the drum riser with those didges, he kinda reminded me of Lewis Carroll's caterpillar... -t- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 19 09:14:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2JE9Xu03570; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:09:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:09:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:16:12 -0500 Subject: Re: some fcb1010 & repeater programming questions From: Dan Soltzberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030318184016.84556.qmail@web11408.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3130910172_212113_MIME_Part" X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop015.verizon.net from [141.149.187.194] at Wed, 19 Mar 2003 08:09:27 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3130910172_212113_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I hadn't realized how to use the two different ranges of the CC message-- of course-- it makes perfect sense. Thank you! As far as fading all 4 tracks with one pedal, have any Repeater/ FCB wizards out there accomplished this? dan -- ghost 7/ Oranje http://envelopeproductions.com d.ans@verizon.net on 3/18/03 1:40 PM, Rich R. at idropetod@yahoo.com wrote: I don't know the capabilities of the Repeater, but with my stuff I can do a lot of similar functions. For example, I can do loop record/overdub with a single pedal, along with stop/start, forward/reverse, regular/half speed and tap tempo on my Echo Pro using the FCB1010. I use CC messages to do this. With firmware revision 2.2 and up the FCB1010 can cycle through two different values for a CC number. So, and I can't remember the CC number off hand, but say for loop/overdub it uses CC# 34 with a value of 00-64 for overdub and a value of 65-128 for loop. The first press starts loop recording and the second press will start overdubbing out of loop recording. I have the same pedal in all banks of my FCB1010 set up to do this and it works fine. Isn't it possible to set up the Repeater to have all tracks' volume respond to the same expression pedal? It seems to me that it would be no different than assigning effects parameters to an expression pedal, which the FCB1010 has no problems doing. If it can't then that's a pretty severe limitation of a fundamental sort for the Repeater. Anyway, here's how to set up a tap tempo: http://www.altrion.org/fcb1010/taptempo.html Here's how to utilize cycling CC values: http://www.altrion.org/fcb1010/extra.html Good luck! --- Dan Soltzberg wrote: > hello all-- > > I've been hibernating with a final mix of a > full-length solo bass CD (played > live and looped with EDP and DL4) -- it's in the > final tweaking stages-- > thus, haven't been on the list much lately. Hope all > is good with everyone. > > I also finally got around to dealing with my FCB/ > Repeater combination, and > have come up stumped in a couple of areas. I've > checked the archives of this > list, the FCB list, and the Repeater list, and not > been able to find what I > need. Any help would be much appreciated. > > Can anyone send specific parameters to program the > FCB to: > > > Have one expression pedal change the volume level of > all 4 tracks > simultaneously (probably impossible, but if there's > a way, that would be > awesome) > > > Overdub and stop overdub with a footpress > > > Program the same footswitch to play and to stop a > loop (tried Weg's > parameters, but it didn't work) > > > Tap tempo > > > A lot of these issues seem to have to do with > whether the footswitch works > as a toggle or not-- is there a way to control this > in the global > parameters? > > > > Thanks much for your help, > > > dan > > > -- > ghost 7/ Oranje > http://envelopeproductions.com > d.ans@verizon.net > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com --MS_Mac_OE_3130910172_212113_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: some fcb1010 & repeater programming questions I hadn't realized how to use the two different ranges of the CC message-- o= f course-- it makes perfect sense.  Thank you!

As far as fading all 4 tracks with one pedal, have any Repeater/ FCB wizard= s out there accomplished this?

dan

--
ghost 7/ Oranje
http://envelopeproductions.com
d.ans@verizon.net



on 3/18/03 1:40 PM, Rich R. at idropetod@yahoo.com wrote:

I don't know the capabilities of the Repeater, but
with my stuff I can do a lot of similar functions.
For example, I can do loop record/overdub with a
single pedal, along with stop/start, forward/reverse,
regular/half speed and tap tempo on my Echo Pro using
the FCB1010.

I use CC messages to do this.  With firmware revision
2.2 and up the FCB1010 can cycle through two different
values for a CC number.  So, and I can't remember the
CC number off hand, but say for loop/overdub it uses
CC# 34 with a value of 00-64 for overdub and a value
of 65-128 for loop. The first press starts loop
recording and the second press will start overdubbing
out of loop recording. I have the same pedal in all
banks of my FCB1010 set up to do this and it works
fine.

Isn't it possible to set up the Repeater to have all
tracks' volume respond to the same expression pedal?
It seems to me that it would be no different than
assigning effects parameters to an expression pedal,
which the FCB1010 has no problems doing.  If it can't
then that's a pretty severe limitation of a
fundamental sort for the Repeater.


Anyway, here's how to set up a tap tempo:

http://www.altrion.org/fcb1010/taptempo.html

Here's how to utilize cycling CC values:

http://www.altrion.org/fcb1010/extra.html

Good luck!







--- Dan Soltzberg <d.ans@verizon.net> wrote:
> hello all--
>
> I've been hibernating with a final mix of a
> full-length solo bass CD (played
> live and looped with EDP and DL4) -- it's in the
> final tweaking stages--
> thus, haven't been on the list much lately. Hope all
> is good with everyone.
>
> I also finally got around to dealing with my FCB/
> Repeater combination, and
> have come up stumped in a couple of areas. I've
> checked the archives of this
> list, the FCB list, and the Repeater list, and not
> been able to find what I
> need. Any help would be much appreciated.
>
> Can anyone send specific parameters to program the
> FCB to:
>
>
> Have one expression pedal change the volume level of
> all 4 tracks
> simultaneously (probably impossible, but if there's
> a way, that would be
> awesome)
>
>
> Overdub and stop overdub with a footpress
>
>
> Program the same footswitch to play and to stop a
> loop (tried Weg's
> parameters, but it didn't work)
>
>
> Tap tempo
>
>
> A lot of these issues seem to have to do with
> whether the footswitch works
> as a toggle or not-- is there a way to control this
> in the global
> parameters?
>
>
>
> Thanks much for your help,
>
>
> dan
>
>
> --
> ghost 7/ Oranje
> http://envelopeproductions.com
> d.ans@verizon.net
>
>
>
>
>


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--MS_Mac_OE_3130910172_212113_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 19 09:16:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2JEBFG03811; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:11:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:11:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c2ee21$64f36780$0100a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <20030319135504.53075.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: talkative audiences/gas masks Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:11:05 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How about using light sticks, placed for lighting? From: "Tim Nelson" > --- Guywithatele@aol.com wrote: > > sine@zerocrossing.net writes: > > << I'm thinking of starting to wear DJ headphones... > > > > > I've seen gas masks worn. Then again, that may or > > not be pc nowadays. > > I did a show once as part of a trio where the > keyboardist and I were concerned that we wouldn't be > able to see our pedals/controls since the room was so > dark in order for the film projections to show up. So > one of us came up with the bright idea to wear > head-mounted lighting; he had these glasses with > little flashlights at the corners, and I had this > strap-on miner's lantern-in-the-middle-of-my-forehead > affair going on. > > After seeing pictures of it > and > realizing how unbelievably dorky we looked (even > though I *was* wearing an ultra-cool LD t-shirt), I've > retired the damn thing, although I think the other guy > has continued to wear his... > > -t- > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! > http://platinum.yahoo.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 19 09:58:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2JEowI07922; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:50:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:50:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002401c2ee26$f1a6bec0$0100a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <20030319135504.53075.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> <001301c2ee21$64f36780$0100a8c0@eluk> Subject: Re: talkative audiences/gas masks Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:50:48 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <88ooVC.A.p7B.SPIe-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I didn't realize how strange that looks until I re-read it here. Uh, well, after all light sticks are not usually used for lighting at events, except in the special fx dept.. Hm. > How about using light sticks, placed for lighting? > > > From: "Tim Nelson" > > --- Guywithatele@aol.com wrote: > > > sine@zerocrossing.net writes: > > > << I'm thinking of starting to wear DJ headphones... > > > > > > > > I've seen gas masks worn. Then again, that may or > > > not be pc nowadays. > > > > I did a show once as part of a trio where the > > keyboardist and I were concerned that we wouldn't be > > able to see our pedals/controls since the room was so > > dark in order for the film projections to show up. So > > one of us came up with the bright idea to wear > > head-mounted lighting; he had these glasses with > > little flashlights at the corners, and I had this > > strap-on miner's lantern-in-the-middle-of-my-forehead > > affair going on. > > > > After seeing pictures of it > > and > > realizing how unbelievably dorky we looked (even > > though I *was* wearing an ultra-cool LD t-shirt), I've > > retired the damn thing, although I think the other guy > > has continued to wear his... > > > > -t- > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! > > http://platinum.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 19 10:02:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2JEsqi08449; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:54:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:54:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 06:56:20 -0800 Subject: Re: talkative audiences Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200303191344.h2JDiSH32056@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It used to happen to me a fair amount if I was playing an ambient solo gig using sounds that didn't sound like the instrument I was holding (guitar). People would ask me if I was going to play, when I was going to start, what was the CD we were listening to right now (when it was my loops and playing), and so on. The classic definition of ambient ("Music as ignorable as it is listenable") can sometimes bite you in the ass in these circumstances...if you're looking for recognition as the Talented Instrumental Idol. I have been to laptop performances in cybercafes where it really is difficult to figure out who the performer is, since most of the audience was...checking their e-mail. I also recall dragging a friend to a laptop show, where the performer was using Max or something similar, and the trouble-shooting soundcheck sounded almost exactly like the "performance". My friend was not amused. And the ideal comeback to the Brooks question is: "I heard he killed an over-talkative audience member once--why do you ask?" TH On Wednesday, March 19, 2003, at 05:44 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > On the subject of people talking to me while I play - Ten minutes into > a > set, I once had one guy come right up to the stage front and ask me > what I > thought of Michael Brooks. I had no response. Looking back on it, and > with > inspiration from Doug Cox, I should just kicked them in the nuts, > spat on > his shoes and pushed a monitor off the stage onto him. Of course, you > never > think of the good come-backs until it's too late, huh? :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 19 11:21:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2JGDwv19898; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:13:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:13:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.202.103] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: talkative audiences Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:13:49 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2003 16:13:49.0447 (UTC) FILETIME=[86A41170:01C2EE32] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I find it totally amazing how many people, many of them "musicians", who do just that: walk up and ask very pointed questions about what your footpedals are, how they work etc., right in the midst of a performance! Fortunately, with looping, I can, sometimes, let the loop run and answer their questions (they always seem to think the source is from the pedals...not my bass, not the rack behind me!) Last year I did a show with Andre LaFosse and Hans Lindauer (post Loopstock) and a rather lovely, though completely inebriated, young lady walked up on the stage, sat in Andre's chair (he had left the stage leaving me solo looping), and proceeded to tell me, in superfluous detail, how beautiful my music was, how she always loved musicians...blah blah blah...and then asked just how I was doing all that. This is while I was playing...improvising actually...with a rather dense and syncopated loop! Quite amusing, really, if a bit of a distraction. I seem to recall Andre and Hans having a good laugh over it all! Though I must say it was quite nice to recieve that sort of attention, and positive feedback...maybe she could've waited 'til a break? In addition to looping, I do quite a few gigs as a sideman. Mostly jazz, but also some R&B, rock eeven country. At every gig, and this is the truth, at least one person will come up and engage in a conversation, to request a particular song, WHILE WE ARE PLAYING! They usually, for some reason unknown to me, pick the bass player for this rappor...probably 'cos the band leader is singing, and (maybe) they feel it would be impolite to interrupt him/her. But this last wekend, while gigging with a jazz quartet, this happened to the singer three times....each while he was in the middle of a song! The same thing happened to me...four different times...and, mind you, I was reading charts for the whole gig. Very tricky to sight read "The Shadow Of Your Smile" or "take five", play, and acknowledge the presence and questions of a stranger at the same time! Though rude, inconsiderate and distracting, it does keep you on your toes, and is always worth at least a chuckle from the rest of the band. Max _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 19 11:25:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2JGHAG20221; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:17:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:17:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030319012908.24312.qmail@web80201.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030319012908.24312.qmail@web80201.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:08:24 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: boring PERFORMANCE ART... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can't speak for Pamela Z, but... all performance art isn't bad: i saw laurie anderson back in the late 80's and it was an amazing experience. just the attack of sound and images, and i had pretty inexperienced ears back then, and i still thought it was amazing. and i'm not well versed in modern dance, but wasn't a lot of cage's prepared piano pieces made for "modern dance", and doesn't derek bailey do a lot w/ modern dancers? s--- >"the worst of performance art and modern >dance...politically correct puke" > >and i already hate both performance art and modern >dance! maybe i should stay away... > >-jim -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 19 11:31:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2JGNgR20984; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:23:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:23:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:36:35 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: talkative audiences In-Reply-To: <2705BA92-59B2-11D7-A2CF-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, mark wrote: > I have a totally different issue. I don't care if people are talking > during my music. A lot of the time it's ambient and meant to be part > of the enviornment. If it's dancy, it's usually loud enough that I > can't hear people anyway. No, people talking to each other isn't my > issue. > > My issue is that people talk to me. > > Now, most of you know that I'm so nice and friendly that it's hard to > resist having a nice chat with me. I'm a prince of a guy, what can I > say? But while I'm playing? It's pretty incredible. Pretty much > every show someone will come up to me and actually start to engage in > conversation right in the middle of a piece. So very weird. At my > last gig I actually had to turn my back on a guy and pretend I couldn't > hear him over the music. I'm thinking of starting to wear DJ > headphones partially for the monitors, but also to stop people from > asking me about what synth module I'm using while I'm using it. > > Does anyone else have this problem? It never used to happen when I was > doing group orientated pop/rock type music. Yes, I had the owner of an art gallery we were playing at decide he wanted to talk to me over the music while we were playing. Asking me to explain the history and origins and usage of a theremin while I'm trying to *play* it for an art show opening at his gallery was something of a mood-breaker. We keep the volume low enough at such shows to make people talking to each other in the gallery easy, but talking to us as performers feels like clumsily "breaking the fourth wall" of television or film. Steve Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 19 11:48:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2JGaw922729; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:36:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:36:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 08:36:50 -0800 Subject: Re: talkative audiences/gas masks Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030319135504.53075.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dorky? Some may say Devo was dorky. Dorky can be good. I know a band that plays while wearing Sony VR glasses so that they can "see" what the video mixer is going. It's basically bullshit, as I've seen them play where it's obviously easier for them to just look at the video. I can't imagine having video superimposed over your vision would make doing an electronica show easier to do either. However, people do remember them for it and it makes people curious, and I'm sure that's what they're trying to do. Mark On Wednesday, March 19, 2003, at 05:55 AM, Tim Nelson wrote: > --- Guywithatele@aol.com wrote: >> sine@zerocrossing.net writes: >> << I'm thinking of starting to wear DJ headphones... > >> >> I've seen gas masks worn. Then again, that may or >> not be pc nowadays. > > I did a show once as part of a trio where the > keyboardist and I were concerned that we wouldn't be > able to see our pedals/controls since the room was so > dark in order for the film projections to show up. So > one of us came up with the bright idea to wear > head-mounted lighting; he had these glasses with > little flashlights at the corners, and I had this > strap-on miner's lantern-in-the-middle-of-my-forehead > affair going on. > > After seeing pictures of it > and > realizing how unbelievably dorky we looked (even > though I *was* wearing an ultra-cool LD t-shirt), I've > retired the damn thing, although I think the other guy > has continued to wear his... > > -t- > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! > http://platinum.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 19 11:52:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2JGiR523664; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:44:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:44:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 08:44:25 -0800 Subject: Re: boring PERFORMANCE ART... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <0B216819-5A2A-11D7-905B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I've seen Pamela a few times and I have to disagree with my bandmate das. I like her schtick. It's nothing new, but it's well executed and pretty interesting and entertaining, imo. Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, March 19, 2003, at 08:08 AM, Scott Hansen wrote: > I can't speak for Pamela Z, but... > all performance art isn't bad: > i saw laurie anderson back in the late 80's and it > was an amazing experience. just the attack of sound and > images, and i had pretty inexperienced ears back then, > and i still thought it was amazing. > > and i'm not well versed in modern dance, but wasn't a lot > of cage's prepared piano pieces made for "modern dance", > and doesn't derek bailey do a lot w/ modern dancers? > s--- > > >> "the worst of performance art and modern >> dance...politically correct puke" >> >> and i already hate both performance art and modern >> dance! maybe i should stay away... >> >> -jim > > > -- > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 19 12:18:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2JH7le27282; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 12:07:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 12:07:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030319012908.24312.qmail@web80201.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030319012908.24312.qmail@web80201.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:07:43 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: boring PERFORMANCE ART... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:29 PM -0800 3/18/03, JAMES FOWLER, III wrote: >i already hate both performance art and modern dance! There is good and bad performance art and there is good and bad dance, just like any other art form (there is even good and bad looping!). Performance art is a very broad field of art practice. When someone claims to hate performance art, does this mean he/she is familiar with (and hates) Vito Acconci AND Rachel Rosenthal AND Laurie Anderson AND Tim Miller AND Laurie Anderson AND Chris Burden AND Bob and Bob AND Eleanor Antin AND Meredith Monk AND Daryl Sapien AND Barbara Smith AND the Kipper Kids AND Teh-Ching Hsieh AND Linda Montana AND Marina Abramovic AND Sasha Higbie AND Allan Kaprow AND The Art Guys AND John Fleck AND Diamanda Galas AND Guillermo Gomez-Pena AND Annie Sprinkle AND Stelarc AND Survival Research Labs AND Hanna Wilke... And what about "modern dance"? Does this include ONLY Martha Graham and her antecedents (such as Isadora Duncan and Mary Wigman) and her emulators (whom I don't much care for myself, so I don't offer examples) or does it also include the post-modern dance artists who were reacting AGAINST modern dance? What about the Judson Group, for instance (Yvonne Rainer, Simone Forti, Steve Paxton, Trisha Brown, et al.)? What about contemporary dance theater such as that presented at DTW? What about Merce Cunningam? Or interactive media artists such as Troika Ranch or CASSIEL? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 19 12:41:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2JHa1g30079; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 12:36:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 12:36:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <022201c2ee0b$aff97f50$a12f9e40@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <20030319012908.24312.qmail@web80201.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: boring PERFORMANCE ART... Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:35:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "and i'm not well versed in modern dance, but wasn't a lot of cage's prepared piano pieces made for "modern dance", and doesn't derek bailey do a lot w/ modern dancers?" it's just that from a philosophical point of view, i don't cotten to the ideals and motivations that drive performance art...from everything i've seen and read, it doesn't come across as quite as valid a form of "art"...to be frank, i think most performance art is just plain old average bullshit. my ex-girlfriend was a modern dancer, so i've had my fill of the pretense (and lack of what i consider to be true talent and originality) that accompanies the dancers that i was around. my attitude towards both of these mediums probably places me in a distinct minority, and while i try not to be conservative in my views, there are somethings that i can't get up with. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 19 13:04:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2JHwXo32415; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 12:58:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 12:58:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E78AF8D.FFEBC8B1@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:57:33 -0800 From: Daryl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: boring PERFORMANCE ART... References: <20030319012908.24312.qmail@web80201.mail.yahoo.com> <022201c2ee0b$aff97f50$a12f9e40@g0wn7> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's funny, I could replace "performance art" with "rock music", and "dancers" with "rockers" in this statement and stand behind it for myself (and I've been a primarily rock player for 15 years, in the midst of recording a *last* rock record)...except for the part of it not being a valid form of art. I think as an artist you have to let other people express themselves how they see fit, and it's fine to call the product good or bad based on its individual merits, but there's nothing inherently wrong with any medium or practice. An awful lot of art nowadays IS pretentious, self-serving, greedy and hollow, but maybe that's always been the case. You have to weed through shit to get to the gold, but when you find it, it's all worthwhile. I say this because I think it's a shame to shut off the chance to find something inspiring just because it has a particular label attached to it. Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com > it's just that from a philosophical point of view, i don't cotten to the > ideals and motivations that drive performance art...from everything i've > seen and read, it doesn't come across as quite as valid a form of "art"...to > be frank, i think most performance art is just plain old average bullshit. > > my ex-girlfriend was a modern dancer, so i've had my fill of the pretense > (and lack of what i consider to be true talent and originality) that > accompanies the dancers that i was around. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 19 13:06:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2JHxmR01399; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 12:59:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 12:59:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <109.2187ab79.2baa0a07@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 12:59:35 EST Subject: Boring is as boring does. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h2JHxmM01373 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Call me weird, but I LOVE performance art, modern dance, poetry readings, prerecorded electronic music concerts/ libraries, art museums, galleries and a whole range of other experiences that many folk seem to think of as "boring" and not especially "fun." I also read about 40-60 books a year and hardly any of them have pictures. I'm sorry, but this whole entertain- me-'til-I-drop, coddle-my-ever-shortening-attention-span, and for-heaven's-sake-make-me-feel-but-dont'-make-me- think-about-much culture of ours is more B-O-R-I-N-G than almost anything I can imagine. The very thought of the fact that so much of what is foisted upon us as "pop" culture is utter trash fills me with revulsion. The idea that so many people are actually out there watching those "reality" TV shows, American Idol (who gives a frickin' flip anyway) Cops and Jerry Springer type shows deeply disturbs me. And, as an American, it fills me with shame, disgust and sorrow. Pop culture is what passes for public discourse any more. Is it any surprise that we get the politicians and national public figures that we do as a result? I enjoy a "good time" as much as the next person but our entire media industry and mass culture (and public policy) is being formed directed by folks that spent more time in college passed-out drunk at frat parties than in libraries. A steady stream of intellectual "pizza and beer forever" is making us as mentally flabby as our fast food is making us physically obese and inert. Maybe I'm just a loopy old curmudgeon. But if I didn't sometimes find myself succumbing to it as well I wouldn't find it so scary. The stuff on TV and on the radio and in the movie houses and in our playstation/gamecube/ whatevers IS scary. It frightens the shite outta me. I know that as a performer, strictly in the sense of visual entertainment "value," I am about as interesting to watch as refrigerator mold. But, I don't mind. I don't wanna go there. I don't cut the right figure for a "pop star" or any sort of a "guitar hero" anyway. Some may even find my music boring. So what. There's "meat" in it enough for me. A few days ago I was pretty "down" and wondering why I put myself through all the torment and effort of making this music at all. Max Valentino said it best in his reply. He said that in some way we are ". . . beating back the darkness just a bit . . ." by our efforts. That's what I hope for at least. What I fear the very most is a world where fewer and fewer people are "beating back the darkness" and more and more are simply "beating off." Sincerely, tEd ® kiLLiAn ArsOcarina@aol.com http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 19 13:46:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2JIVxh05888; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 13:31:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 13:31:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030319183153.10942.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:31:53 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Boring is as boring does. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <109.2187ab79.2baa0a07@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > A few days ago I was pretty "down" and wondering why > I put myself through all the torment and effort of > making this music at all. A couple of months ago I was bemoaning the demise of good venues to play in my area and waxing nihilistic. In response, a friend of mine sent me this link: -t- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 19 14:37:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2JJQZO13323; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:26:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:26:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: <10.2e24c244.2baa1df0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:24:32 EST Subject: Re: boring PERFORMANCE ART... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_10.2e24c244.2baa1df0_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6013 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_10.2e24c244.2baa1df0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I do think that performance art can be found, expressed and adapted from almost any aspect of life/living ( technologies too ) & can & should be expressed w/in infinite functions, forms or structure-deconstruction(s) that you can both imagine/re-imagine. & also, perf. art can be ignored, "boring", and also compelling to various degrees that for various reasons and accordingly so, will appeal to various audiences. However, performance art just as any music/art does not have to be either "good" or "bad", IMHO. Rather, perf. art just needs a voice & a chance to be experienced ( just like any music or art does ) and someone who is willing to bring that "voice", to a forefront as the right audience will and often does eventually appear at some point. But Perf. Art in particular IMHO has to be executed with a considerable amount of fearlessness and less trepidation that u can get usually get away with having while being a performer in other artforms. & I also think ya gotta be just a little bit crazy/crazier than most others who are considered crazy in some ways to be an effective performance artist. Plus as a perf. artist, ya definitely have gotta have a thicker skin than most other types of creative personalities, but again, in the context of being a perf. artist, it needs to be taken to an extreme of sorts especially in terms of your resilliency and consistency of intentions and discipline and focus/ambition. But w/ the "tag" perf. art also comes the rejection or confusion and endless reactions/responses ( if you 1st find any audience to begin with seguewaying into where even having the "right" audience, w/ performance art you never IMHO are bringing everybody along with you in with the most ideal circumstances ) from most people in general which are almost invariably stronger when you do perf. art than any other performance medium. & on a related tangent feeding into this thread, I do kinda find it alarming that many folks here tend to kinda empahasize & need to have the feeling or impression of something ( art music perf art, etc ) pushing an "envelope"... or worse yet, using that expression "breaking new ground", in order for something to be deemed of interest &/or valid here regardless to the medium. That "breaking new ground", thinking is IMHO a prison for sure built of steely self consciouness and a delusion. Nothing is ever new and nothing in the universe breaks "new ground"...& nothing marks time better & really never goes anywhere in the end faster than the intention of "breaking new ground". & IMHO there is boring perf. art just as much as there are boring audiences. Often times I really have a hard time when distinguishing who is more boring in terms of "who's callin who" boring ... but all performance artists have a speacial place in my heart :) John Cecil Price/AKASH http://www.akashmusic.com http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/AKASHMUSIC./ http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/akashmusicnewsgroup/ http://hometown.aol.com/psychoheadmusic/indexPHP.html 215.592.9963 business phone ( PH.P RECORDS, INC ) 215.485.6128 mobile --part1_10.2e24c244.2baa1df0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I do think that performance art can be found, expresse= d and adapted from almost any aspect of life/living ( technologies too ) &am= p; can & should be expressed w/in infinite functions, forms or structure= -deconstruction(s) that you can both imagine/re-imagine.

& also, perf. art can be ignored, "boring", and also compelling to vario= us degrees that for various reasons and accordingly so, will appeal to vario= us audiences.

However, performance art just as any music/art does not have to be either "g= ood" or "bad", IMHO.

Rather, perf. art just needs a voice & a chance to be experienced =20= ( just like any music or art does ) and someone who is willing to bring that= "voice", to a forefront as the right audience will and often does eventuall= y appear at some point.

But Perf. Art in particular IMHO has to be executed with a considerable amou= nt of fearlessness and less trepidation that u can get usually get away with= having while being a performer in other artforms.

& I also think ya gotta be just a little bit crazy/crazier than most oth= ers who are considered crazy in some ways to be an effective performance art= ist.

Plus as a perf. artist, ya definitely have gotta have a thicker skin than mo= st other types of creative personalities, but again, in the context of being= a perf. artist, it needs to be taken to an extreme of sorts especially in t= erms of your resilliency and consistency of intentions and discipline and fo= cus/ambition.

But w/ the "tag" perf. art also comes the rejection or confusion and endless= reactions/responses ( if you 1st find any audience to begin with  segu= ewaying into where even having the "right" audience, w/ performance art you=20= never IMHO are bringing everybody along with you in with the most ideal circ= umstances ) from most people in general which are almost invariably stronger= when you do perf. art than any other performance medium.

& on a related tangent feeding into this thread, I do kinda find it alar= ming that many folks here tend to kinda empahasize & need to have the fe= eling or impression of something ( art music perf art, etc ) pushing an "env= elope"... or worse yet, using that expression "breaking new ground", in orde= r for something to be deemed of interest &/or valid here regardless to t= he medium.

That "breaking new ground", thinking is IMHO a prison for sure built of stee= ly self consciouness and a delusion.

Nothing is ever new and nothing in the universe breaks "new ground"...&=20= nothing marks time better & really never goes anywhere in the end faster= than the intention of "breaking new ground".

& IMHO there is boring perf. art just as much as there are boring audien= ces.

Often times I really have a hard time when distinguishing who is more boring= in terms of "who's callin who" boring ... but all performance artists have=20= a speacial place in my heart :)


John Cecil Price/AKASH
http://www.akashmusic.com
http://artists.i= uma.com/IUMA/Bands/AKASHMUSIC./
http://ww= w.mp3.com/akashmusic
http://groups= .yahoo.com/group/akashmusicnewsgroup/
http://hom= etown.aol.com/psychoheadmusic/indexPHP.html
215.592.9963 business phone ( PH.P RECORDS, INC )
215.485.6128 mobile

 --part1_10.2e24c244.2baa1df0_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 19 14:47:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2JJgCI15060; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:42:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:42:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E78C80F.D5359699@pa.msu.edu> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:42:07 -0500 From: John McIntyre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: talkative audiences/gas masks References: <20030319135504.53075.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim Nelson wrote: > I did a show once as part of a trio where the > keyboardist and I were concerned that we wouldn't be > able to see our pedals/controls since the room was so > dark in order for the film projections to show up. So > one of us came up with the bright idea to wear > head-mounted lighting; he had these glasses with > little flashlights at the corners, and I had this > strap-on miner's lantern-in-the-middle-of-my-forehead > affair going on. > > After seeing pictures of it > and > realizing how unbelievably dorky we looked (even > though I *was* wearing an ultra-cool LD t-shirt), I've > retired the damn thing, although I think the other guy > has continued to wear his... I had a similar problem since I was doing live soundtracks for silent movies. I discovered some "rings" that contain an amber light. According to the ad, pilots used them in the Gulf War. They worked fine. I did use the brighter lantern-in-the-middle-of-my-forehead for setting up. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 19 14:58:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2JJqTx16461; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:52:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:52:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030319195227.24535.qmail@web12308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:52:27 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: Roy Harper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200303191344.h2JDiST32057@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> Yeah, I only have a couple of his albums, but he's one of the few singer/songwriters who I actually like listening to. Plus, he once fooled me into thinking that he had David Gilmour playing on one of his songs (well, actually, Gilmour DID play on several of his records, including the one in question, he just wasn't playing on the song that I thought he was...if Pink Floyd ever decides to tour without Gilmour they could hire Chris Spedding to take his place). ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 19 15:00:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2JJs0c16657; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:54:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:54:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030319195358.29854.qmail@web12302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:53:58 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: Daevid Allen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200303191344.h2JDiST32057@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> Actually, Daevid Allen is Australian. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 19 15:29:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2JKJwW21098; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:19:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:19:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:19:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200303191519.AA637730942@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: talkative audiences X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >My issue is that people talk to me. > I've had that problem when I'm performing in an art gallery or less formal performance environment. The way I try to avoid it now is to make my little part of whatever space I'm performing to at least seem more like a stage to discourage that. It doesn't always work, so if that happens I usually say something like "I'm busy now, can I talk to you when I'm done?" Not sure what else one could do. Kevin -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- New From Unit Circle: Intonarumori - "Material" http://www.unitcircle.com/rekkids/releases/tUC075/ -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 19 15:49:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2JKfAX23821; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:41:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:41:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <029f01c2ee25$8e0c3300$a12f9e40@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <20030319012908.24312.qmail@web80201.mail.yahoo.com> <022201c2ee0b$aff97f50$a12f9e40@g0wn7> <3E78AF8D.FFEBC8B1@mhorse.com> Subject: Re: boring PERFORMANCE ART... Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:40:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "I think as an artist you have to let other people express themselves how they see fit, and it's fine to call the product good or bad based on its individual merits, but there's nothing inherently wrong with any medium or practice." i agree 100% and my aesthetic dictates, for the most part, that i call said product bad. what i look for, personally, is not provided via either medium. i'm not so much getting down on particular performers/artists, but more of the ideals that appear to be fueling the whole movement. i haven't closed my head off to anything at all...i'll always give anything a shot (well, not skydiving or hard drugs...) but as i've mentioned, from my experience, i've not found compelling evidence to assuage my dislike for modern dance and performance art. i suppose to really get into an honest debate deserving our attention, we would need to get together, sit down and watch/listen to the exact same things, and talk later. as it stands, we're all coming from drastically different places as far as what we've seen, what we've heard, what we've read, and the context in which these things have transpired. but my criticism is not relegated to modern dance and performance art...i have a particular contempt for most "rock" music and visual art. maybe i'm just a jerk... -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 19 15:59:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2JKnuI24833; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:49:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:49:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <02a501c2ee26$c7d5a2f0$a12f9e40@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <109.2187ab79.2baa0a07@aol.com> Subject: Re: Boring is as boring does. Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:49:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Call me weird, but I LOVE performance art, modern dance, poetry readings, prerecorded electronic music concerts/libraries, art museums, galleries and a whole range of other experiences that many folk seem to think of as "boring" and not especially "fun." i think now would be an important time to decide whether or not we're making "cookie-cutter bullshit entertainment" and "all-things-modern-and-artsy" polar opposites. "I also read about 40-60 books a year and hardly any of them have pictures." i only read the ones with the big pictures. "But if I didn't sometimes find myself succumbing to it as well I wouldn't find it so scary. The stuff on TV" solution: don't buy cable and don't turn on the radio. i know i don't. i own a record player, a couch, a bed, an old computer, and way too many instruments. this list rules. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 19 16:33:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2JLPFN31811; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:25:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:25:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030319212509.89926.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 13:25:09 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: Boring is as boring does. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <109.2187ab79.2baa0a07@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm sorry, what were you saying? a dog with a puffy tail just walked by and my attention was pulled away. (sorry, couldn't resist). > Call me weird, but I LOVE performance art, modern > dance, > poetry readings, prerecorded electronic music > concerts/ > libraries, art museums, galleries and a whole range > of other > experiences that many folk seem to think of as > "boring" and > not especially "fun." > > I also read about 40-60 books a year and hardly any > of > them have pictures. I'm sorry, but this whole > entertain- > me-'til-I-drop, > coddle-my-ever-shortening-attention-span, > and > for-heaven's-sake-make-me-feel-but-dont'-make-me- > think-about-much culture of ours is more B-O-R-I-N-G > than > almost anything I can imagine. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 19 17:01:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2JLrb304753; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:53:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:53:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:53:20 -0500 From: Guywithatele@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: talkative audiences/gas masks MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <462A44B6.734A2F68.2437D650@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And I thought the drunks before, durning, between, and after sets wanting to play my tele were a pain in the ass! I didn't realize it gets worse. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 19 17:37:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2JMSgi09811; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:28:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:28:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E78EE2B.D167FF83@ubuibi.org> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:24:44 -0800 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Daevid Allen References: <20030319195358.29854.qmail@web12302.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jeez, yes he lives in australia, but his musical temperment is british. Chris Richards wrote: > < robert wyatt and daevid allen are the grandest of > the english folk bards>> > > Actually, Daevid Allen is Australian. > > ===== > May you never thirst! > The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris > > "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! > http://platinum.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 19 17:47:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2JMasC10863; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:36:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:36:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E78F017.C10958D@ubuibi.org> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:32:56 -0800 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: boring PERFORMANCE ART... References: <0B216819-5A2A-11D7-905B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com but then we have to keep in mind that mark is the type that gets excited when he gets for a present, a wind up toy that hits itself on it's head (i'm joking, well, it happened but....) oh, and off topic i believe we have dindin together tonight Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Well, I've seen Pamela a few times and I have to disagree with my > bandmate das. I like her schtick. It's nothing new, but it's well > executed and pretty interesting and entertaining, imo. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 19 17:57:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2JMm8O12006; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:48:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:48:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: <3f.19ea7400.2baa4d9b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:47:55 EST Subject: electric bird noise .......coming to your city To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3f.19ea7400.2baa4d9b_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10638 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_3f.19ea7400.2baa4d9b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey guys electric bird noise (one man melodic looping project) is doing a few dates in the ny / boston area this weekend...come if you can. > > >> >> >>> >>> Friday, March 21st at The Lit Lounge (93 2nd Ave ,New York City, >>> 212-777-7987). This show is $5.00 and begins at 8:00 p.m and ends at >>> 11:00 >>> p.m. and is in the downstairs area... >>> >>> Saturday, March 22nd at The Chopping Block ( 724 Huntington Alps, Boston, >>> >>> MA. 617-734-4177. Show begins at 8:00 p.m. Sorry, no clue how much they >>> charge... >>> >>> Sunday, March 23rd at OfficeOps ( www.officeops.org , 57 Thames St. (2nd >>> floor), Brooklyn, NYC, 718-418-2509) as part of an event called SONIC >>> ALTERCATION at 8:00 p.m. Not sure about admission fee on this one, >>> either... >>> >>> >> > --part1_3f.19ea7400.2baa4d9b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hey guys electric bird noise (one man melodic looping=20= project) is doing a few dates in the ny  / boston area this weekend...c= ome if you can.



Friday, March 21st at The Lit Lounge (93 2nd Ave ,New York City,
212-777-7987). This show is $5.00 and begins at 8:00 p.m and ends at 11:00 <= BR> p.m. and is in the downstairs area...

Saturday, March 22nd at The Chopping Block ( 724 Huntington Alps, Boston, MA. 617-734-4177. Show begins at 8:00 p.m. Sorry, no clue how much they
charge...

Sunday, March 23rd at OfficeOps ( www.= officeops.org , 57 Thames St. (2nd
floor), Brooklyn, NYC, 718-418-2509) as part of an event called SONIC
ALTERCATION at 8:00 p.m. Not sure about admission fee on this one, either...=




--part1_3f.19ea7400.2baa4d9b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 19 18:25:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2JNFC916182; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 18:15:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 18:15:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030319231506.7672.qmail@web40514.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:15:06 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Roy Harper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030319195227.24535.qmail@web12308.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Roy harper is indeed an underground legend treasure and i am glad he has manage to survive his mental problems.I still have a few vinyl records of him which i still listen to.His vocals on "have a Cigar" from Pink Floyd is still one of my favorites.Also listen to "stormcock" with jimmy Page on guitar, Masterpiece! L.a ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 19 19:51:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2K0gsu27636; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 19:42:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 19:42:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E790D97.5DAD7EC4@ubuibi.org> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:38:48 -0800 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: No other radio playlist 3/03 As broadcast on kpfa/kpfb Berkeley and kfcf Fresno and streamed as kpfa.org. the 'no other radio' program has brought independent/difficult music to northern California for over two decades, on the pacifica network We welcome all independent/unusual musicians and artists to send in their work. Contact; das@ubuibi.org Playlists are archived at http://ubuibi.org/uB-main.html Under the 'radio' link. While there you can also find rotating n.o.r. Mp3's. This time featuring a visit with stimbox & xome (in no particular order) Jorge antunes savage songs pogus Stephen millard Black window angry vegan The silverman requiem settings soleilmoon Marvin Pontiac greatest hits strange & beautiful Pe unreleased reduktiv musiken Cold electric fire sacred noise elasticinema Troum tjukurrpa drone s-core finger mark drone vance orchestra hot water music drone bad sector dolmen drone hideg ronics drone para noise terminal fraktale drone ultra milkmaids jain umpoulet drone v/a editions-zero #2 intrasitive v/a bricollage #1 illegal art v/a just a love song old europa café henry cow in praise of learning recommended yasunao tone wounded manyo alku vogelwurger primus arthuur vogelwurger secundus arthuur Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No other radio playlist 3/03 As broadcast on kpfa/kpfb Berkeley and kfcf Fresno and streamed as kpfa.org. the 'no other radio' program has brought independent/difficult music to northern California for over two decades, on the pacifica network We welcome all independent/unusual musicians and artists to send in their work. Contact; das@ubuibi.org Playlists are archived at http://ubuibi.org/uB-main.html Under the 'radio' link. While there you can also find rotating n.o.r. Mp3's. This time featuring a visit with stimbox & xome (in no particular order) Jorge antunes savage songs pogus Stephen millard Black window angry vegan The silverman requiem settings soleilmoon Marvin Pontiac greatest hits strange & beautiful Pe unreleased reduktiv musiken Cold electric fire sacred noise elasticinema Troum tjukurrpa drone s-core finger mark drone vance orchestra hot water music drone bad sector dolmen drone hideg ronics drone para noise terminal fraktale drone ultra milkmaids jain umpoulet drone v/a editions-zero #2 intrasitive v/a bricollage #1 illegal art v/a just a love song old europa café henry cow in praise of learning recommended yasunao tone wounded man’yo alku vogelwurger primus arthuur vogelwurger secundus arthuur From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 19 20:19:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2K1C2I32018; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 20:12:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 20:12:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.144.36.162] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Saturday, 4/5: Found Objects Night Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:11:56 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2003 01:11:56.0556 (UTC) FILETIME=[B341ECC0:01C2EE7D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Found Objects Night Saturday, April 5th, 8:00 - approx. 10:30 pm 21 Grand Gallery 449B 23rd St near Broadway Oakland, California $6-10 Bring objects from home and they'll play 'em! Avant-garde, experimental and/or electronic musicians will spontaneously create music using only items submitted by the audience for sound sources. With: Gino Robair David Kendall (from LA) Andre Custodio Stephen Ruiz Please bring one or more objects (just about anything from around the house or outside) to be used as sound sources by the artists. You'll get them back at the end of each night. The musicians are allowed to bring equipment to sample, alter and manipulate sounds. NOTE: Please do NOT bring hazardous or radioactive materials, wild animals or firearms. For more information, contact Matt Davignon at 510-268-8213. Gino Robair "is an enormously talented percussionist, with a thorough-going musicality and an instinct for the unexpected," says The Penguin Guide to Jazz on CD. A core member of the Splatter Trio, Gino is well known for his fascination for resonating objects. He also holds two masters degrees from Mills College - in Composition and Electronic Music. David Kendall is an improviser and sound artist from the Los Angeles area, currently studying Composition/New Media at the California Institute of the Arts with David Rosenboom. Much of DK's work focuses on electronic and acoustic feedback systems, or seeks to develop a common improvisational language among traditional, non-traditional, and electronic instrumental performance practices. Andre Custodio is a San Francisco born Multi-Instrumentalist / Sound Designer / Percussionist with a ten year history as a sonic maverick. His performances and recordings range from the fragmentedly neurotic to the semi-calm and aurally ambient. Stephen Ruiz (aka Zygote) uses the mechanized process of electronic music production and combines the expression of complex human feelings to create sound art. The tools of his output are computers, tape recorders, wires and other conduits of noise. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 19 20:42:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2K1awG02369; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 20:36:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 20:36:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <021101c2ee80$fbc966a0$d563f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200303171721.h2HHLiW25858@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Boring Art and Judgement Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:35:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Das wrote about Pamela Z: "the worst of performance art and modern dance...politically correct puke" I, for one, look forward to a world where all human expression is validated.... not liked, because there is much art that either I dislike or don't resonate with in the world, but validated for the legitimate enterprise that it is. Having met and performed with Pamela Z in the past and knowing how she has dedicated her entire life and heart to her artistry, I find it personally offensive that you are so judgemental and dismissive of her. It makes me wonder what your artistry is like to be high and mighty enough to pass such a harsh judgement. I don't at all mind that you dislike her artistry.......I can totally understand it in fact..........it certainly isn't for everyone.......... but she is making her living as an artist which is an unbelievably difficult feat in the United States and I believe she has to be respected for that if for nothing else. It's a wild, hurtful world out there and the climate for original and 'out of the box' artistry is getting worse and worse (and we haven't even begun to see the effect of the California budget cuts yet). I would think that artists would band together in this time to support each other's honest attempts to express their vision of the world..........again, whether you like it or not. Forgive me for venting, Das, but your post really got my goat. Which, I imagine, is exactly what you intended (although I'm sure not personally). yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 19 20:58:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2K1qUb04258; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 20:52:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 20:52:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01c2ee83$93e0b9a0$b49aa044@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <462A44B6.734A2F68.2437D650@aol.com> Subject: Re: talkative audiences/gas masks/ ASS Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 20:53:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [68.160.154.180] at Wed, 19 Mar 2003 19:52:24 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <-mVEfD.A.aCB.e7Re-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah, but when they want to actually play your ass, this is a clear indication that things have indeed evolved to a stage that you can clearly, and with confidence, describe as having gotten worse. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 4:53 PM Subject: Re: talkative audiences/gas masks > And I thought the drunks before, durning, between, and after sets wanting to play my tele were a pain in the ass! I didn't realize it gets worse. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 19 21:01:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2K1uqc04681; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 20:56:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 20:56:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030319190143.00ac9200@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 19:01:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: When you give a Redneck a Looper... In-Reply-To: <175.17acf48f.2ba9493f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Woohoo! Glad to see ya here! -and Yeah, the crickets are still echoin' in my head! lol! -and my neighbors keep comin' over with nets and such! lol! Laters, Cara At 11:17 PM 3/18/03 EST, you wrote: >Howdy Guys and Gals, > > I'm new to looping and new to this site. I have a right nice collection of >loopers and their music but am just beginning to try looping out myself. A >loop-fanatic friend and I got together and commenced to loopin' and I >thought I'd share some virgin looper thoughts. > > First, I'm a bassist and predominantly play Wal's, so the looping is >pretty dense. Well, last night we went to loopin' sumpin' fierce (guitar >and bass). Things seemed to be on track, sounds were Eno-esque, textures >dripping. Before long it got to sounding like a bunch of crickets on >steroids with some high-fidelity ambulance sirens to boot. I was digging >the sounds at first but after about two minutes all kind of shit was >hittin' the fan and I had to cover my ears thanks to the amplified >crickets. Here's the catch---I thought the guitarist was makin' all that >racket and I had already set my bass down to cover my ears. I noticed the >guitarist puttin' the fingers in her ears too and thought somethin' was >amiss. Well, before long I asked (screemingly) if we shouldn't turn things >down before the police came. Confound it if all the dang noise wasn't >coming from my setup. This here loopin' has done messed up my mind, but I >love it!!! > > Stanley Planet --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 19 21:04:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2K1w0404831; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 20:58:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 20:58:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003d01c2ee84$5878ca00$b49aa044@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <3f.19ea7400.2baa4d9b@aol.com> Subject: Re: electric bird noise .......coming to your city Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 20:59:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003A_01C2EE5A.6F1C7B00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [68.160.154.180] at Wed, 19 Mar 2003 19:57:53 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C2EE5A.6F1C7B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chopping Block - Boston - a local hang near MASS ART - college crowd - = SMALL STAGE - friendly room, lots of locals, apparently without dental = insurance. Great pace to play music to an unassuming audience. =20 It you're looping, expect to be spoken to while you play. You may want = to have a supply of witty replies to questions like: - Uh, what is that you are doing? - You're weird, how do you do that? - Can you play a song? - Do you know Michael Brooks? David ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ENAT21213@aol.com=20 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 5:47 PM Subject: electric bird noise .......coming to your city hey guys electric bird noise (one man melodic looping project) is = doing a few dates in the ny / boston area this weekend...come if you = can. Friday, March 21st at The Lit Lounge (93 2nd Ave ,New York City, = 212-777-7987). This show is $5.00 and begins at 8:00 p.m and = ends at 11:00=20 p.m. and is in the downstairs area... Saturday, March 22nd at The Chopping Block ( 724 Huntington = Alps, Boston,=20 MA. 617-734-4177. Show begins at 8:00 p.m. Sorry, no clue how = much they=20 charge... Sunday, March 23rd at OfficeOps ( www.officeops.org , 57 Thames = St. (2nd=20 floor), Brooklyn, NYC, 718-418-2509) as part of an event called = SONIC=20 ALTERCATION at 8:00 p.m. Not sure about admission fee on this = one, either... ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C2EE5A.6F1C7B00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Chopping Block - Boston - a local hang = near MASS=20 ART - college crowd - SMALL STAGE - friendly room, lots of locals, = apparently=20 without dental insurance.
Great pace to play music to an = unassuming=20 audience.  
 
It you're looping, expect to be spoken = to while you=20 play.  You may want to have a = supply of=20 witty replies to questions like:
 
    - Uh, what is = that you are=20 doing?
    - You're weird, = how do you=20 do that?
    - Can you play a = song?
    - Do you know = Michael=20 Brooks?
 
David
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 ENAT21213@aol.com
To: loopers-delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 = 5:47=20 PM
Subject: electric bird noise=20 .......coming to your city

hey guys electric bird noise (one man melodic = looping=20 project) is doing a few dates in the ny  / boston area this=20 weekend...come if you can.



Friday, March 21st at The Lit Lounge (93 2nd Ave = ,New=20 York City,
212-777-7987). This show is $5.00 and begins at = 8:00 p.m=20 and ends at 11:00
p.m. and is in the downstairs=20 area...

Saturday, March 22nd at The Chopping Block ( 724=20 Huntington Alps, Boston,
MA. 617-734-4177. Show begins at = 8:00 p.m.=20 Sorry, no clue how much they
charge...

Sunday, March = 23rd at=20 OfficeOps ( www.officeops.org ,=20 57 Thames St. (2nd
floor), Brooklyn, NYC, 718-418-2509) as = part of=20 an event called SONIC
ALTERCATION at 8:00 p.m. Not sure = about=20 admission fee on this one, either...




<= /BLOCKQUOTE> ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C2EE5A.6F1C7B00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 19 22:46:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2K3b0717581; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 22:37:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 22:37:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E79366C.670A6002@ubuibi.org> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 19:33:01 -0800 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: forget Boring Art, read a book References: <200303171721.h2HHLiW25858@hemlock.violacea.com> <021101c2ee80$fbc966a0$d563f93f@global> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just recieved this from exact mailing list, ive read all these and can heartily suggest all take advantage of this sale. (they are usually 18-25 bucks each) exact change and atlas press have bought out some of the best obscure lit. What better entertainment for your "safe" room, than cheap copies of classics from the old Europe? "Hurt" copies of the following French and German titles are now on sale for $5 a piece, plus shipping -- these copies are shopworn (courtesy US corporations such as Borders and Barnes & Noble), but not yet destroyed. -- The Heresiarch and Co., by Apollinaire -- The Blue Octavo Notebooks, by Kafka -- Hebdomeros, by Chirico -- Exploits and Opinions of Dr. Faustroll, Pataphysician, by Jarry -- Aurelia, by Nerval -- Paris Peasant, by Aragon -- Maldoror, by Lautreamont -- Watchfiends and Rack Screams, by Artaud -- Adventures of Telemachus, by Aragon -- The Supermale, by Jarry -- The Poet Assassinated, by Apollinaire -- Dark Spring, by Zurn -- PPPPPP, by Schwitters -- Adventures in Pataphysics, by Jarry -- Blago Bung, Blago Bung, Bosso Fataka, by Ball, Huelsenbeck, and Serner -- Bruges-la-Morte, by Rodenbach And the following Atlas Arkhive "hurts" are available for $7 each -- -- Dada Almanach -- Encyclopedia Acephalica -- The Vienna Actionists -- Raymond Roussel: the Biography However you order, please remember to include shipping charges, which are listed on our website order form. Complete descriptions of each title can also be found on our website: http://www.exactchange.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 20 01:36:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2K6Soe09344; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 01:28:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 01:28:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <036301c2ee77$968dceb0$a12f9e40@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <200303171721.h2HHLiW25858@hemlock.violacea.com> <021101c2ee80$fbc966a0$d563f93f@global> Subject: Re: Boring Art and Judgement Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 00:28:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <_udfuB.A.4RC.i-Ve-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "I, for one, look forward to a world where all human expression is validated...." dangerous territory, my friend. "I find it personally offensive that you are so judgemental and dismissive of her. It makes me wonder what your artistry is like to be high and mighty enough to pass such a harsh judgement." what's worse: a harsh reaction or none at all? at least pamela z is eliciting responses. i'd rather have somebody hate my music with absolute conviction than not care at all. i vote we give das the benefit of the doubt and assume that he's not just a hyper-critical jerk...in which case, his reaction demonstrates passionate opinions...which belies the fact that he's truly concerned and not one bit apathetic. "I would think that artists would band together in this time to support each other's honest attempts..." what does support mean? is it unconditional? -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 20 02:00:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2K6q5711520; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 01:52:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 01:52:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 01:52:00 -0500 From: Jhsidlo@aol.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Hughs and Kettner Replex MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <707BE556.21DB5388.0017F279@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anybody know about this? What is the concensus on the the new Gibson GTE-5 Echoplex reliability wise? Thanks, James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 20 02:36:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2K7VJo15826; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 02:31:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 02:31:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 23:31:13 -0800 Subject: Re: Hughs and Kettner Replex Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <707BE556.21DB5388.0017F279@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There was just a bid discussion about this. If you do a quick search of the archives, you'll find a bunch of stuff about it. Seems like it's almost worth the cash for a tube pre-amp, is what I remember people saying. Looks like an interesting device. 900 ms delay time is a little low, IMO. Seems like it might have a lot of personality in the sound dept compared to the Repeater and EDP which are going for the best possible sound quality. Mark On Wednesday, March 19, 2003, at 10:52 PM, Jhsidlo@aol.com wrote: > Anybody know about this? What is the concensus on the the new > Gibson GTE-5 Echoplex reliability wise? > > > Thanks, James > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 20 02:53:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2K7jHf17208; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 02:45:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 02:45:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030320074515.61723.qmail@web12308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 23:45:15 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: Daevid Allen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200303200051.h2K0pJC28486@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> Well, I'm not sure where Daevid Allen lives now, but he is from Australia originally. I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "musical temperment". ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 20 03:22:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2K8Fev20435; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 03:15:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 03:15:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E7977BC.335289F7@ubuibi.org> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 00:11:41 -0800 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Daevid Allen References: <20030320074515.61723.qmail@web12308.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com daevid does now live in australia and a heads up that he will be in the bay area next month...perhaps also near others ?? by musical temperment i suggest that he found his musical core as part of the canterbury scene. (and other places as well through the years) and to those unfamilar with daevid's work, it is very loop based, greatly because of his bowed guitar work with metal objects. we just finished our mastering of 'barnicle bill' featuring daevid's vocals. it's not loopy but i couldn't resist the cheap plug. Chris Richards wrote: > < musical temperment is british.>> > > Well, I'm not sure where Daevid Allen lives now, > but he is from Australia originally. I'm not sure > I understand what you mean by "musical > temperment". > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 20 04:33:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2K9Rfw26253; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 04:27:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 04:27:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030320092734.32307.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 01:27:34 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: today, the moment of truth To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030319135504.53075.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well fellow loopers god keep us looping in happiness for the days to come... Monday, March 17, 2003 A Letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush on the Eve of War George W. Bush 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Washington, DC Dear Governor Bush: So today is what you call "the moment of truth," the day that "France and the rest of world have to show their cards on the table." I'm glad to hear that this day has finally arrived. Because, I gotta tell ya, having survived 440 days of your lying and conniving, I wasn't sure if I could take much more. So I'm glad to hear that today is Truth Day, 'cause I got a few truths I would like to share with you: 1. There is virtually NO ONE in America (talk radio nutters and Fox News aside) who is gung-ho to go to war. Trust me on this one. Walk out of the White House and on to any street in America and try to find five people who are PASSIONATE about wanting to kill Iraqis. YOU WON'T FIND THEM! Why? 'Cause NO Iraqis have ever come here and killed any of us! No Iraqi has even threatened to do that. You see, this is how we average Americans think: If a certain so-and-so is not perceived as a threat to our lives, then, believe it or not, we don't want to kill him! Funny how that works! 2. The majority of Americans -- the ones who never elected you -- are not fooled by your weapons of mass distraction. We know what the real issues are that affect our daily lives -- and none of them begin with I or end in Q. Here's what threatens us: two and a half million jobs lost since you took office, the stock market having become a cruel joke, no one knowing if their retirement funds are going to be there, gas now costs almost two dollars -- the list goes on and on. Bombing Iraq will not make any of this go away. Only you need to go away for things to improve. 3. As Bill Maher said last week, how bad do you have to suck to lose a popularity contest with Saddam Hussein? The whole world is against you, Mr. Bush. Count your fellow Americans among them. 4. The Pope has said this war is wrong, that it is a SIN. The Pope! But even worse, the Dixie Chicks have now come out against you! How bad does it have to get before you realize that you are an army of one on this war? Of course, this is a war you personally won't have to fight. Just like when you went AWOL while the poor were shipped to Vietnam in your place. 5. Of the 535 members of Congress, only ONE (Sen. Johnson of South Dakota) has an enlisted son or daughter in the armed forces! If you really want to stand up for America, please send your twin daughters over to Kuwait right now and let them don their chemical warfare suits. And let's see every member of Congress with a child of military age also sacrifice their kids for this war effort. What's that you say? You don't THINK so? Well, hey, guess what -- we don't think so either! 6. Finally, we love France. Yes, they have pulled some royal screw-ups. Yes, some of them can be pretty damn annoying. But have you forgotten we wouldn't even have this country known as America if it weren't for the French? That it was their help in the Revolutionary War that won it for us? That our greatest thinkers and founding fathers -- Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, etc. -- spent many years in Paris where they refined the concepts that lead to our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution? That it was France who gave us our Statue of Liberty, a Frenchman who built the Chevrolet, and a pair of French brothers who invented the movies? And now they are doing what only a good friend can do -- tell you the truth about yourself, straight, no b.s. Quit pissing on the French and thank them for getting it right for once. You know, you really should have traveled more (like once) before you took over. Your ignorance of the world has not only made you look stupid, it has p! ainted you into a corner you can't get out of. Well, cheer up -- there IS good news. If you do go through with this war, more than likely it will be over soon because I'm guessing there aren't a lot of Iraqis willing to lay down their lives to protect Saddam Hussein. After you "win" the war, you will enjoy a huge bump in the popularity polls as everyone loves a winner -- and who doesn't like to see a good ass-whoopin' every now and then (especially when it 's some third world ass!). So try your best to ride this victory all the way to next year's election. Of course, that's still a long ways away, so we'll all get to have a good hardy-har-har while we watch the economy sink even further down the toilet! But, hey, who knows -- maybe you'll find Osama a few days before the election! See, start thinking like THAT! Keep hope alive! Kill Iraqis -- they got our oil!! Yours, Michael Moore www.michaelmoore.com ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 20 04:51:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2K9jx727993; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 04:45:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 04:45:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c2eec5$81307600$0100a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <20030320092734.32307.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: today, the moment of truth Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:45:54 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <7asJvB.A.Q1G.X3Ye-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louie Angulo" To: Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 09:27:AM Subject: today, the moment of truth > Well fellow loopers god keep us looping in happiness > for the days to come... > > > Monday, March 17, 2003 > A Letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush on the > Eve of War One would hope his letter was better-formatted, eh? After all we know his responses are predictable. Pah! Now back to more on topic stuff, yes? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 20 05:31:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2KANQ432058; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 05:23:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 05:23:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008401c2eeca$8776a7a0$8362f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200303200951.h2K9pqv28662@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: BORING ART AND JUDGEMENT.... The End Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 02:19:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: <96qXLC.A.y0H.eaZe-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please forgive my earlier rant. I try religiously not to get into aesthetic arguments because after all, who the fuck is right, anyway? I was just feeling really sensitive about this stupid Iraq situation and acted really reactively to Das' post. Anyway, I'm in the give the artist the benefit of the doubt, 'there is no us and them, there's only us' school and, you know what? Most of the world doesn't agree with me and I'm not going to change them and they certainly aren't going to change me. I, like anyone on this list, have extremely strong likes and dislikes in art myself and, yes, of course, I didn't love or resonate with every performance at the Y2K2 LOOPFESTIVAL last year, but I really dug that everybody gave it their all..............everybody rooted for everybody else to succeed..............everybody worked hard to help each other on and off the stage............everybody, essentially, gave everybody the benefit of the doubt..........from the loop sophisticates to the loop newbies. I just would rather live in a world where people treated each other like that magical weekend, as imperfect as it was, musically, to some people. Call me naive. Decide that I"m just a mindless, undifferentiating, drooling hippy.......I don't care..........It's what I believe. This is my last post on the subject I promise. No hard feelings Das, I hope. yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 20 06:45:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2KBbMx04885; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 06:37:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 06:37:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030320113716.63439.qmail@web40502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 03:37:16 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Let me light you up with this great latin looping band To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok gang i know this is a tense time for all of us in the midst of political bullshit specially here in europe,we are not very far from the war zones. So let me light up your day with this great latin looping band, just click on the musicians and just...well let them loop you baby... here you go: http://62.210.133.45/BAHIANESE.swf P.S.By the way a laptoper was also invited:-) Cheers Louie ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 20 07:01:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2KBu5E06583; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 06:56:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 06:56:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E79AB66.65834256@ubuibi.org> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 03:52:07 -0800 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BORING ART... The End continues References: <200303200951.h2K9pqv28662@hemlock.violacea.com> <008401c2eeca$8776a7a0$8362f93f@global> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com forgiven that said, i still think 80% of performance art sucks and 80% of wall art sucks and same can be said with most art, and music and yes i think i have the experience to judge having rubbed shoulders with a few folks...if you want a list it would include folks like daevid allen, srl, the residents, chris & cosey, john cage, lou harrison, illusion of safety, pink dots, and at least a hundred more. and if you want to hear our bloody noise check the webhole; ubuibi.org and on to other non-loop discussions........ Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: > Please forgive my earlier rant. > > I try religiously not to get into aesthetic arguments > because after all, who the fuck is right, anyway? > > I was just feeling really sensitive about this stupid > Iraq situation and acted really reactively to Das' post. > > Anyway, I'm in the give the artist the benefit of the doubt, > 'there is no us and them, there's only us' school and, you know what? > Most of the world doesn't agree with me and I'm not going to change them and > they certainly aren't going to change me. > > I, like anyone on this list, have extremely strong likes and dislikes in art > myself and, yes, of course, I didn't love or resonate with every performance > at the Y2K2 LOOPFESTIVAL last year, but I really dug that everybody gave it > their all..............everybody rooted for everybody else to > succeed..............everybody worked hard to help each other on and off the > stage............everybody, essentially, gave everybody the benefit of the > doubt..........from the loop sophisticates to the loop newbies. > > I just would rather live in a world where people treated each other like > that magical weekend, as imperfect as it was, musically, to some people. > Call me naive. Decide that I"m just a mindless, undifferentiating, drooling > hippy.......I don't care..........It's what I believe. > > This is my last post on the subject I promise. > > No hard feelings Das, I hope. > > yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 20 09:30:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2KEM1c24982; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:22:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:22:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.154.86.12] X-Originating-Email: [jj179subs@hotmail.com] From: "jj 179" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: today, the moment of truth Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 14:21:54 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2003 14:21:54.0791 (UTC) FILETIME=[0ECE9F70:01C2EEEC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How telling that the only way you can think to respond is to criticize the format and call it "predictable". >One would hope his letter was better-formatted, eh? After all we know his >responses are predictable. Pah! > >Now back to more on topic stuff, yes? > _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 20 09:34:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2KEQdk25396; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:26:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:26:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030320142637.42885.qmail@web11403.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 06:26:37 -0800 (PST) From: "Rich R." Subject: Re: today, the moment of truth To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030320092734.32307.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please, let's not lower the list's intellectual level by posting OT stuff of this ilk, especially from Michael Moore. --- Louie Angulo wrote: > Well fellow loopers god keep us looping in happiness > for the days to come... > > > Monday, March 17, 2003 > A Letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush on the > Eve of War > > George W. Bush > 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. > Washington, DC > > Dear Governor Bush: > > So today is what you call "the moment of truth," the > day that "France > and > the rest of world have to show their cards on the > table." I'm glad to > hear > that this day has finally arrived. Because, I gotta > tell ya, having > survived > 440 days of your lying and conniving, I wasn't sure > if > I could take > much > more. So I'm glad to hear that today is Truth Day, > 'cause I got a few > truths > I would like to share with you: > > 1. There is virtually NO ONE in America (talk radio > nutters and Fox > News > aside) who is gung-ho to go to war. Trust me on this > one. Walk out of > the > White House and on to any street in America and try > to > find five people > who > are PASSIONATE about wanting to kill Iraqis. YOU > WON'T > FIND THEM! Why? > 'Cause NO Iraqis have ever come here and killed any > of > us! No Iraqi has > even > threatened to do that. You see, this is how we > average > Americans think: > If a > certain so-and-so is not perceived as a threat to > our > lives, then, > believe > it or not, we don't want to kill him! Funny how that > works! > > 2. The majority of Americans -- the ones who never > elected you -- are > not > fooled by your weapons of mass distraction. We know > what the real > issues are > that affect our daily lives -- and none of them > begin > with I or end in > Q. > Here's what threatens us: two and a half million > jobs > lost since you > took > office, the stock market having become a cruel joke, > no one knowing if > their > retirement funds are going to be there, gas now > costs > almost two > dollars -- > the list goes on and on. Bombing Iraq will not make > any of this go > away. > Only you need to go away for things to improve. > > 3. As Bill Maher said last week, how bad do you > have > to suck to lose a > popularity contest with Saddam Hussein? The whole > world is against you, > Mr. > Bush. Count your fellow Americans among them. > > 4. The Pope has said this war is wrong, that it is a > SIN. The Pope! But > even > worse, the Dixie Chicks have now come out against > you! > How bad does it > have > to get before you realize that you are an army of > one > on this war? Of > course, this is a war you personally won't have to > fight. Just like > when you > went AWOL while the poor were shipped to Vietnam in > your place. > > 5. Of the 535 members of Congress, only ONE (Sen. > Johnson of South > Dakota) > has an enlisted son or daughter in the armed forces! > If you really want > to > stand up for America, please send your twin > daughters > over to Kuwait > right > now and let them don their chemical warfare suits. > And > let's see every > member of Congress with a child of military age also > sacrifice their > kids > for this war effort. What's that you say? You don't > THINK so? Well, > hey, > guess what -- we don't think so either! > > 6. Finally, we love France. Yes, they have pulled > some > royal screw-ups. > Yes, > some of them can be pretty damn annoying. But have > you > forgotten we > wouldn't > even have this country known as America if it > weren't > for the French? > That > it was their help in the Revolutionary War that won > it > for us? That our > greatest thinkers and founding fathers -- Thomas > Jefferson, Ben > Franklin, > etc. -- spent many years in Paris where they refined > the concepts that > lead > to our Declaration of Independence and our > Constitution? That it was > France > who gave us our Statue of Liberty, a Frenchman who > built the Chevrolet, > and > a pair of French brothers who invented the movies? > And > now they are > doing > what only a good friend can do -- tell you the truth > about yourself, > straight, no b.s. Quit pissing on the French and > thank > them for getting > it > right for once. You know, you really should have > traveled more (like > once) > before you took over. Your ignorance of the world > has > not only made you > look > stupid, it has p! > ainted you into a corner you can't get out of. > > Well, cheer up -- there IS good news. If you do go > through with this > war, > more than likely it will be over soon because I'm > guessing there aren't > a > lot of Iraqis willing to lay down their lives to > protect Saddam > Hussein. > After you "win" the war, you will enjoy a huge bump > in > the popularity > polls > as everyone loves a winner -- and who doesn't like > to > see a good > ass-whoopin' every now and then (especially when it > 's > some third world > ass!). So try your best to ride this victory all the > way to next year's > election. Of course, that's still a long ways away, > so > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 20 09:45:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2KEbgY26763; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:37:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:37:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004401c2eeee$3cd64e20$4ce4e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: References: <20030320142637.42885.qmail@web11403.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: today, the moment of truth Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:37:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Too bad. I have to listen to the right-wing crap of "it's ilk" night and day. I don't mind listening to Michael Moore one bit. Typical right-wing reaction, though. Their crap is spouted continously, but when an opposing opinion is stated, they cry, "oh, we don't want to hear this political stuff". Reminds me of the Nazi party's tactics. Faschist-like. "If you're not for us, you're against us", etc. Also, they're are many musicians who are using their art to voice their concerns and opinions. Yeah, I know, "only looper's topics on the board".... Regards, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich R." To: Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 9:26 AM Subject: Re: today, the moment of truth > Please, let's not lower the list's intellectual level > by posting OT stuff of this ilk, especially from > Michael Moore. > > > > > --- Louie Angulo wrote: > > Well fellow loopers god keep us looping in happiness > > for the days to come... > > > > > > Monday, March 17, 2003 > > A Letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush on the > > Eve of War > > > > George W. Bush > > 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. > > Washington, DC > > > > Dear Governor Bush: > > > > So today is what you call "the moment of truth," the > > day that "France > > and > > the rest of world have to show their cards on the > > table." I'm glad to > > hear > > that this day has finally arrived. Because, I gotta > > tell ya, having > > survived > > 440 days of your lying and conniving, I wasn't sure > > if > > I could take > > much > > more. So I'm glad to hear that today is Truth Day, > > 'cause I got a few > > truths > > I would like to share with you: > > > > 1. There is virtually NO ONE in America (talk radio > > nutters and Fox > > News > > aside) who is gung-ho to go to war. Trust me on this > > one. Walk out of > > the > > White House and on to any street in America and try > > to > > find five people > > who > > are PASSIONATE about wanting to kill Iraqis. YOU > > WON'T > > FIND THEM! Why? > > 'Cause NO Iraqis have ever come here and killed any > > of > > us! No Iraqi has > > even > > threatened to do that. You see, this is how we > > average > > Americans think: > > If a > > certain so-and-so is not perceived as a threat to > > our > > lives, then, > > believe > > it or not, we don't want to kill him! Funny how that > > works! > > > > 2. The majority of Americans -- the ones who never > > elected you -- are > > not > > fooled by your weapons of mass distraction. We know > > what the real > > issues are > > that affect our daily lives -- and none of them > > begin > > with I or end in > > Q. > > Here's what threatens us: two and a half million > > jobs > > lost since you > > took > > office, the stock market having become a cruel joke, > > no one knowing if > > their > > retirement funds are going to be there, gas now > > costs > > almost two > > dollars -- > > the list goes on and on. Bombing Iraq will not make > > any of this go > > away. > > Only you need to go away for things to improve. > > > > 3. As Bill Maher said last week, how bad do you > > have > > to suck to lose a > > popularity contest with Saddam Hussein? The whole > > world is against you, > > Mr. > > Bush. Count your fellow Americans among them. > > > > 4. The Pope has said this war is wrong, that it is a > > SIN. The Pope! But > > even > > worse, the Dixie Chicks have now come out against > > you! > > How bad does it > > have > > to get before you realize that you are an army of > > one > > on this war? Of > > course, this is a war you personally won't have to > > fight. Just like > > when you > > went AWOL while the poor were shipped to Vietnam in > > your place. > > > > 5. Of the 535 members of Congress, only ONE (Sen. > > Johnson of South > > Dakota) > > has an enlisted son or daughter in the armed forces! > > If you really want > > to > > stand up for America, please send your twin > > daughters > > over to Kuwait > > right > > now and let them don their chemical warfare suits. > > And > > let's see every > > member of Congress with a child of military age also > > sacrifice their > > kids > > for this war effort. What's that you say? You don't > > THINK so? Well, > > hey, > > guess what -- we don't think so either! > > > > 6. Finally, we love France. Yes, they have pulled > > some > > royal screw-ups. > > Yes, > > some of them can be pretty damn annoying. But have > > you > > forgotten we > > wouldn't > > even have this country known as America if it > > weren't > > for the French? > > That > > it was their help in the Revolutionary War that won > > it > > for us? That our > > greatest thinkers and founding fathers -- Thomas > > Jefferson, Ben > > Franklin, > > etc. -- spent many years in Paris where they refined > > the concepts that > > lead > > to our Declaration of Independence and our > > Constitution? That it was > > France > > who gave us our Statue of Liberty, a Frenchman who > > built the Chevrolet, > > and > > a pair of French brothers who invented the movies? > > And > > now they are > > doing > > what only a good friend can do -- tell you the truth > > about yourself, > > straight, no b.s. Quit pissing on the French and > > thank > > them for getting > > it > > right for once. You know, you really should have > > traveled more (like > > once) > > before you took over. Your ignorance of the world > > has > > not only made you > > look > > stupid, it has p! > > ainted you into a corner you can't get out of. > > > > Well, cheer up -- there IS good news. If you do go > > through with this > > war, > > more than likely it will be over soon because I'm > > guessing there aren't > > a > > lot of Iraqis willing to lay down their lives to > > protect Saddam > > Hussein. > > After you "win" the war, you will enjoy a huge bump > > in > > the popularity > > polls > > as everyone loves a winner -- and who doesn't like > > to > > see a good > > ass-whoopin' every now and then (especially when it > > 's > > some third world > > ass!). So try your best to ride this victory all the > > way to next year's > > election. Of course, that's still a long ways away, > > so > > > === message truncated === > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! > http://platinum.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 20 10:01:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2KEnrV28282; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:49:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:49:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030320144951.91691.qmail@web11405.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 06:49:51 -0800 (PST) From: "Rich R." Subject: Re: today, the moment of truth To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004401c2eeee$3cd64e20$4ce4e20c@attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey man, thanks for the insults and snap judgements! It's very cordial of you. --- Butch wrote: > Too bad. I have to listen to the right-wing crap of > "it's ilk" night and > day. I don't mind listening to Michael Moore one > bit. Typical right-wing > reaction, though. Their crap is spouted continously, > but when an opposing > opinion is stated, they cry, "oh, we don't want to > hear this political > stuff". Reminds me of the Nazi party's tactics. > Faschist-like. "If you're > not for us, you're against us", etc. > > Also, they're are many musicians who are using their > art to voice their > concerns and opinions. Yeah, I know, "only looper's > topics on the board".... > > Regards, Paul __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 20 10:10:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2KEx6F30906; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:59:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:59:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: today, the moment of truth Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:58:48 -0500 Message-ID: <000201c2eef1$36bbc6c0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20030320144951.91691.qmail@web11405.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So, did anyone finnish writing that software looper for PocketPC or Palm Yet? Are the Akai Samplers worth the Money or should we buy the less expensive units like the Zoom SampleTrak -----Original Message----- From: Rich R. [mailto:idropetod@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 9:50 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: today, the moment of truth Hey man, thanks for the insults and snap judgements! It's very cordial of you. --- Butch wrote: > Too bad. I have to listen to the right-wing crap of > "it's ilk" night and > day. I don't mind listening to Michael Moore one > bit. Typical right-wing > reaction, though. Their crap is spouted continously, > but when an opposing > opinion is stated, they cry, "oh, we don't want to > hear this political > stuff". Reminds me of the Nazi party's tactics. Faschist-like. "If > you're not for us, you're against us", etc. > > Also, they're are many musicians who are using their > art to voice their > concerns and opinions. Yeah, I know, "only looper's > topics on the board".... > > Regards, Paul __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 20 10:42:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2KFYtk03195; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 10:34:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 10:34:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 10:34:37 -0500 From: Guywithatele@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: today, the moment of truth MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <503A1FF2.0DC8E32B.2437D650@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com More Michael! Right wing/left wing...it's a bullshit. I say, suffer the pansy roues a little sonic trephination from the real source of love and light! Yes, my brothers all...devide and conquer. Hell, that's what they've done. Quantize to this: We are Them/They are Us. The moment is ALWAYS of truth. It's only sometimes we're asked to acknowledge it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 20 11:02:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2KFoQI05166; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 10:50:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 10:50:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c2eef8$68eeb650$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <000201c2eef1$36bbc6c0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> Subject: Palmware (was Re: today, the moment of truth) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 10:50:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > So, did anyone finnish writing that software looper for PocketPC or Palm > Yet? Not a looper, but I have some Palm software for loopists I'm going to demo at Loopstock. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 9:58 AM Subject: RE: today, the moment of truth > So, did anyone finnish writing that software looper for PocketPC or Palm > Yet? > > Are the Akai Samplers worth the Money or should we buy the less expensive > units like the Zoom SampleTrak From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 20 11:17:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2KGAEL10025; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:10:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:10:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Palmware (was Re: today, the moment of truth) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:09:56 -0500 Message-ID: <000301c2eefb$26e4dc50$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002601c2eef8$68eeb650$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So, is it a java app like the FCB Sysex utility, I saw something a while ago DSP on the Palm I will have to find it again and post it. I believe it was supposed to be like a synth generator or something thereof Cheers Al -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Leas [mailto:dennis@mail.worldserver.com] Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 10:50 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Palmware (was Re: today, the moment of truth) > So, did anyone finnish writing that software looper for PocketPC or > Palm Yet? Not a looper, but I have some Palm software for loopists I'm going to demo at Loopstock. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 9:58 AM Subject: RE: today, the moment of truth > So, did anyone finnish writing that software looper for PocketPC or > Palm Yet? > > Are the Akai Samplers worth the Money or should we buy the less > expensive units like the Zoom SampleTrak From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 20 11:26:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2KGKG711336; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:20:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:20:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <029f01c2ee25$8e0c3300$a12f9e40@g0wn7> References: <029f01c2ee25$8e0c3300$a12f9e40@g0wn7> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 10:11:29 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: OT: art/music/visual art... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <6gAxN.A._wC.Apee-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "art nowadays IS pretentious, self-serving, greedy and hollow, but maybe that's always been the case..." AT ONE TIME (PRE-1800) MOST ART WAS MADE IN SERVICE OF RELIGION. SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE AROUND REMBRANDTS TIME ON, THE IDEA OF "ART", THE LONE GENIUS NOT MAKING STUFF FOR OTHERS, BUT THEMSELVES, BEGAN, ALSO TIED IN W/ THE FALL OF THE ACADEMY IN 1800'S (THE DELACROIX SCHOOL OVER THE INGRES SCHOOL). "particular contempt for most "rock" music and visual art." HMMM, I HAVE THIS DEBATE W/ MYSELF ON ROCK ALL THE TIME, WHETHER ROCK IS STILL GOOD/BAD, AND CERTAINLY I HATE READING ABOUT CERTAIN BANDS THAT LIKE THIS MUSIC OR THAT, AND HATE THIS ARTIST/MUSICIAN AND THAT, ETC. BUT I GOT THE NEW "AUDIOSLAVE" ALBUM, AND THAT RESTORED MY FAITH IN "ROCK'S" CURRENT STATUS, ETC. AS W/ MOST THINGS, THERE'S A LOT OF MEDIOCRE VISUAL ART ALL AROUND US, AND OF COURSE OUR VISUAL OVERLOAD SOCIETY DOESN'T HELP, BUT IF YOU WADE THROUGH THE MEDIOCRE, SOMETIMES YOU'LL FIND THE GOOD STUFF EVEN IN VISUAL ART. sorry for the all caps reply.... s--- -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 20 12:03:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2KGvfj17742; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:57:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:57:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 10:48:55 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: 4-track tape looper Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com last night i hooked up my old tascam 4-track tape recorder and had a 20-sec loop tape (from radio shack) in it. and played around w/ it. i got some interesting/good starting results. the main thing will be getting more comfortable with it and redeveloping some chops/technique to integrate it w/ my playing...but i think it's a nice alternative to my 12 sec of looping w/ my dod d12. of course i need to get some more cables for some other hookup options...... s--- -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 20 12:04:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2KGul817602; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:56:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:56:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003901c2ef01$ad792a40$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <000301c2eefb$26e4dc50$0200a8c0@akadev.com> Subject: Re: Palmware (was Re: today, the moment of truth) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:56:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I guess I'll give a short product info report since the app is essentially finished. I call it EDPDA - a Palm Powered Librarian/Assistant for the EDP. It include five functions: 1) Configure/Operate EDP - remotely control and configure your EDP. This interface looks and acts like the EDP's front panel. It even responds to short vs. long button presses. It includes several enhancements, however. a) You can directly view and adjust each preset. b) You can select and change values via drop-down boxes and spin buttons. 2) Display EDP Status - sort of a scoreboard display. It shows ALL the parameters for a given preset (or the "play state") on a single screen. The display is updated once per second so the data is "live". You can also adjust any parameter. 3) Preset Librarian - saves the EDP's local and global presets onto your handheld. When you hotsync, they are also saved to your PC or Macintosh. It's bidirectional - you can restore your EDP presets from the saved values on your handheld. Unlike the EDP, EDPDA is not limited to 16 local presets and 1 global preset. You can save and restore as many local and global presets as you have memory space on your handheld. 4) Sample Dump Librarian - digitally saves and restores your loops to your handheld. Like the Preset Librarian, your loop will be backed up to your PC or Mac when you hotsync. Also, the number of loops you can save and restore is limited only by your handheld's memory size. 5) MIDI PC Mapper - Since most MIDI footpedals only send Program Change commands, they are unsuitable for controlling the EDP. MIDI PC Mapper translates Program Change commands to Note-on/-off or CC commands so that you can use inexpensive footpedals with the EDP. You can also send PC commands to load the local presets stored on your handheld into your EDP. Requirements: Nearly any handheld running Palm OS 3.1 or later. The Zire and Tungsten T are currently not supported. You also need a MIDI adapter for your handheld capable of sending and receiving MIDI. Most MIDI adapters require a serial (not USB) cradle or hotsync cable. EDPDA is designed to use the lowest cost equipment available. For example, my primary handheld is a Palm IIIx that I bought used for $30. I built the MIDI adapter for another $30. Oh, yeah. I plan on selling EDPDA but for a low-cost, too. Probably between $40 and $30. Hope others find this interesting. And the program useful. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 11:09 AM Subject: RE: Palmware (was Re: today, the moment of truth) > So, is it a java app like the FCB Sysex utility, I saw something a while ago > DSP on the Palm I will have to find it again and post it. I believe it was > supposed to be like a synth generator or something thereof > > Cheers > Al From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 20 12:25:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2KHIAH22107; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 12:18:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 12:18:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Re: 4-track tape looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.5.9b Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 12:18:04 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com interesting, this is how i started looping as well. i used to have issu with getting a good unglitched loop going...any recommendations on it? On Thu, 20 Mar 2003 10:48:55 -0600 Scott Hansen wrote: >last night i hooked up my old tascam 4-track tape >recorder >and had a 20-sec loop tape (from radio shack) in it. >and played around w/ it. i got some interesting/good >starting results. the main thing will be getting more >comfortable with it and redeveloping some chops/technique >to integrate it w/ my playing...but i think it's a nice >alternative to my 12 sec of looping w/ my dod d12. >of course i need to get some more cables for some other >hookup options...... >s--- >-- >