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Hi everybody,

I posted the following message to the wonderful JUNKMUSIC group at Yahoo
(that boasts
a few very creative L.D. members).

It was in response to a thread about people trying to find inexpensive
sources for
Blugels (or Whirlygigs, which are merely corrugated plastic tubing that you
whirl around your head to produce whistling overtone series).

It got me to thinking that I would love to participate in a thread about
unusual ways of using looping technology to produce really intersting,
unusual
and/or wierd/avante garde sounds.

I am fascinated with taking this technology and using it to create sounds
and ways of making music that haven't been done before  (Richard Zvonar will
of course now post and tell me that some guy was doing this with a wireless
recorder in 1927 but I had not heard anybody do this when I first started
doing it.............<smiles at the Dr. of all things wierd and wonderful in
music>).

OK  here's the post, with the technique mentioned first and then the
information about obtaining the blugels at the end for anyone interested in
this fascinating and ultra simple way of producing comb filtering effects
acoustically.


post to the junkmusic group:

Also, don't forget that the smaller sizes of tubing produce whistle sounds
that comb filter up through the harmonics of the tube as you blow harder.
Whirling them around
cause air to 'play' the pipe so you might as well blow through them.

I have a whole series of corrugate straws that are given out at various
k-marts, seven elevens and cheap tourist stores that produce beautiful
harmonics.

A fabulous trick if you happen to own a looper that has
backwards/forwards/half speed double speed characteristics (a LINE 6 DL4
inexpensively or an GIBSON Echoplex EDP if you have the bucks and want your
life changed in a positive way)

Is to start a loop and toggle the reverse button and the half speed/double
speed buttom randomly and very rapidly until you end the loop recording.

what is so cool is that you will then be playing octaves of the harmonics
that you are playing so that , as avante garde as it sounds (and it sounds
like pygmies on acid ;-)
it is always in the same key.

I then take that loop,  resample it into my ELECTRIX Repeater and then play
it's pitch
with a wind synth midi controller.  Unlike a normal sampler, the Repeater
has algorhythms
that automatically stretch the sample at ever pitch so the the rhythm is
maintained.

Totally unusual sounding and yet I can play  "You are the Sunshine of my
Life" (if I were to feel like it................NOT!!!!) and anyone can
instantly recognize the melodies.

I know that this is a found sound forum, but this looping shit has got to be
experienced if you are really into acoustic sounds and how to manipulate
them in real time in front of an audience.


and...........the first part of the post:


Jon Wagner surprised me at one of my loop shows with
a Sampler packet from

www.globalmedinc.com

that has several sizes of corrugated clear plastic
whirly gig tubes.

they are available in

25 mm
22 mm
19 mm
15 mm
13 mm
10 mm
6  mm


sizes.   there were enough samples in the packet that I got
to cut several octaves from it  (half of half of half of half and so on).


also, there were samples of expandable medical tubing
which is awesome because it clicks into place and when expanded
makes a guiro like sound whose harmonics phase shift downwards as it
expands because the fundamental pitch of the pipe goes down as the tube
becomes longer.

Just awesome sound sources.

You might e-mail Jon and ask him how he got the samples.

All I know is that I had completely planned a found sound looping
performance and
just threw one of my pieces out because I was so stoked to get the 'care'
package from him
and I made up a piece on the spot with it.  Afterwards I went home and cut
up all the octaves.

Try it,  you'll like it.

yours Rick Walker

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Michael Klobuchar wrote:

"oh my GOD!.....rickeee.....i dont know how to feel, you being an "ATLAS"
figure and such!.....wow.....:)...."

about what the mayor of the People's Republic of Santa Cruz wrote:

"You're holding the planet together!
Love,
Emily"



Oh god, that looks bad, doesn't it...........LOL.

and you know, since the eproms containing my LOOP 4 software snapped off it
is
really difficult to hold the entire earth up (let alone wash all my dirty
clothes and answer all of my e-mails............LOL)

I guess this is some kind of "He rolls the software up the hill,  the eproms
break and the software goes sliding back to the bottom of the hill"   kind
of hellish scenario.

Ha ha ha ha...........right after the BANANAS clinic,  I walked up a small
embankment
with a full load of gear and both my feet slipped right out from under me
and I landed
hard on the pavement of the parking lot,  lightly spraining my ankle,
twisting both knees (also slightly) and wrenching my back...................

.............maybe this is my karma for attempting to hold the planet
together.....

Oh well, I honestly was not trying to promote  ME,  I was trying to promote
LOOPING.
I even got embarrased when they quoted me so much in the magazine.

Oh well, a couple of thousand looped "HAIL MARYS" might do the trick.

yours, mortifiedly,  Rick



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Looks like M.F. sold their stock. AMS still has them for $50 more than =
M.F. was selling them for:

http://www.americanmusical.com/item.asp?UID=3D2003020107112555&menu=3D&ke=
yword=3D&item=3DEMU+9093

Here's some text:

Audity 2000 is a unique 64 voice synthesizer that offers you =
revolutionary new rhythm generation technologies to make your music move =
like never before. Audity 2000 allows you to play up to 16 arpeggiators =
simultaneously with dead-on timing (on separate MIDI channels), tweak =
the amazing 12-pole filters and synthesis parameters with the real-time =
knobs, and build brash, new sounds for an experience like no other. Not =
for the meek!=20

Regards, Butch
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Clifford=20
  To: paulrichard10@attbi.com=20
  Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 12:02 AM
  Subject: RE: E-Mu Audity Rocks


  What is it exactly? I searched in vain on the MF website-=20

  Cliff

  =20

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Butch [mailto:paulrichard10@attbi.com]=20
  Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 7:25 PM
  To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
  Subject: OT: E-Mu Audity Rocks

  =20

  I picked up an Audity for a very low price (Musician's Friend has them =
for $299). This  'rhythmic' synth module really kicks butt! 16, count =
'em, 16 arpeggiators! I've been fooling around with the preset =
arpeggiations/patterns generating rhythms to ultimately use with my =
looping gear. The Emu interrface is fairly easy to grasp. I can see lots =
of possibilities with this piece of electronica. Has an interesting =
lineage, too.

  =20

  Regards, Paul


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Looks like M.F. sold their stock. AMS =
still has=20
them for $50 more than M.F. was selling them for:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"http://www.americanmusical.com/item.asp?UID=3D2003020107112555&am=
p;menu=3D&amp;keyword=3D&amp;item=3DEMU+9093">http://www.americanmusical.=
com/item.asp?UID=3D2003020107112555&amp;menu=3D&amp;keyword=3D&amp;item=3D=
EMU+9093</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Here's some text:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Audity 2000 is a unique 64 voice =
synthesizer that=20
offers you revolutionary new rhythm generation technologies to make your =
music=20
move like never before. Audity 2000 allows you to play up to 16 =
arpeggiators=20
simultaneously with dead-on timing (on separate MIDI channels), tweak =
the=20
amazing 12-pole filters and synthesis parameters with the real-time =
knobs, and=20
build brash, new sounds for an experience like no other. Not for the =
meek!=20
<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Regards, Butch</DIV></FONT>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A href=3D"mailto:om@om-studios.com" =
title=3Dom@om-studios.com>Clifford</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
  href=3D"mailto:paulrichard10@attbi.com"=20
  title=3Dpaulrichard10@attbi.com>paulrichard10@attbi.com</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, February 01, =
2003 12:02=20
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: E-Mu Audity =
Rocks</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT color=3Dnavy face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">What is it =
exactly? I=20
  searched in vain on the MF website- </SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT color=3Dnavy face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: =
10pt">Cliff</SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original=20
  Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> =
Butch [<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:paulrichard10@attbi.com">mailto:paulrichard10@attbi.com</A=
>]=20
  <BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> =
</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
  face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: =
10pt">Friday,=20
  January 31, 2003</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
  size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">7:25=20
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  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR><B><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <A=20
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href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@loope=
rs-delight.com</A><BR><B><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> OT: E-Mu Audity=20
  Rocks</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
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size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I picked up an Audity =
for a very=20
  low price (Musician's Friend has them for $299). This&nbsp; 'rhythmic' =
synth=20
  module really kicks butt! 16, count 'em, 16 arpeggiators! I've been =
fooling=20
  around with the preset arpeggiations/patterns generating rhythms to =
ultimately=20
  use with my looping gear.&nbsp;The Emu interrface is fairly easy to =
grasp. I=20
  can see lots of possibilities with this piece of electronica. Has an=20
  interesting lineage, too.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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Hello Loopers Delight!

I will have a 'Song of the Month' posted on my site,
http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com , under the left side menu, in addition to my
regular 'listen' page. This month's tune happens to be a looping tune,
Pacing The Cage. There are a number of versions of this tune on my 'listen'
page. This is a new recording of this song from my VS1824CD station here at
home 2 nights ago. I hope you enjoy...

Other looping compositions on my 'listen' page include;

Trk 7 - on the 'she' cd
Trks 1 & 4 - on the 'LIVE' cd
Most the 'Rinsing Out The Turtle' cd
Trk 7 - on the 'Passion For Discovery' cd
All of 'Live At The Ritz' (I will have all the tunes posted to stream this
week. This is a FUN show!)

I thought you all might find some of these tunes interesting.

Thanks for listening, hope you enjoy and I invite any feedback you might
have,

peace and love
Jimmy George
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Hello Loopers Delight!

I will have a 'Song of the Month' posted on my site,
http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com , under the left side menu, in addition to my
regular 'listen' page. This month's tune happens to be a looping tune,
Pacing The Cage. There are a number of versions of this tune on my 'listen'
page. This is a new recording of this song from my VS1824CD station here at
home 2 nights ago. I hope you enjoy...

Other looping compositions on my 'listen' page include;

Trk 7 - on the 'she' cd
Trks 1 & 4 - on the 'LIVE' cd
Most the 'Rinsing Out The Turtle' cd
Trk 7 - on the 'Passion For Discovery' cd
All of 'Live At The Ritz' (I will have all the tunes posted to stream this
week. This is a FUN show!)

I thought you all might find some of these tunes interesting.

Thanks for listening, hope you enjoy and I invite any feedback you might
have,

peace and love
Jimmy George
http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com
http://www.jimmygeorgeband.com



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Hi,

Just wanted to mention that I've listed a like-new Repeater on Ebay.  It has less than 1 hour of recording time at most, original box and manual and comes with both a 16MB and 128MB SimpleTech card.   

Ebay listing number is:  2505161571

Thanks

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<DIV><BR>Just wanted to mention that I've listed a like-new Repeater on 
Ebay.&nbsp; It has less than 1 hour of recording time at most,&nbsp;original box 
and manual and comes with both a 16MB and 128MB SimpleTech card.&nbsp;&nbsp; 
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Thank you for the information about the $950.00 Repeater.

Paul
  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 10:05 AM
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  Hi,

  Just wanted to mention that I've listed a like-new Repeater on Ebay.  =
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At 10:24 PM -0500 1/31/03, Butch wrote:
>Has an interesting lineage, too.

The original E-mu Audity was a one-off digitally controlled analog 
synthesizer, circa 1980. I saw it (but didn't hear it) on a visit to 
E-mu's offices in Santa Cruz, back when they were in a Victorian 
house.

http://www.keyboardmuseum.org/ar/e/emu/audity.html
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950.00! damn   =20

  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 10:41 AM
  Subject: Re: Electrix Repeater


  Thank you for the information about the $950.00 Repeater.

  Paul
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: David Clarke=20
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    Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 10:05 AM
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    Hi,

    Just wanted to mention that I've listed a like-new Repeater on Ebay. =
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manual and comes with both a 16MB and 128MB SimpleTech card.  =20

    Ebay listing number is:  2505161571

    Thanks
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thank you for the information about =
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    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, February 01, =
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    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>Ebay listing number is:&nbsp; 2505161571</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Paul,

You're welcome.  Please feel free to ask any questions should you have any.  Only reason I'm letting it go is that I recently bought two new acoustics and never used the Repeater.  Now I have to help pay for the guitars.

Dave
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  Thank you for the information about the $950.00 Repeater.

  Paul
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: David Clarke 
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 
    Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 10:05 AM
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    Hi,

    Just wanted to mention that I've listed a like-new Repeater on Ebay.  It has less than 1 hour of recording time at most, original box and manual and comes with both a 16MB and 128MB SimpleTech card.   

    Ebay listing number is:  2505161571

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You're welcome.&nbsp; Please feel free to ask any 
questions should you have any.&nbsp; Only reason I'm letting it go is that I 
recently bought two new acoustics and never used the Repeater.&nbsp; Now I have 
to help pay for the guitars.</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thank you for the information about the $950.00 
  Repeater.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Paul</FONT></DIV>
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    Ebay.&nbsp; It has less than 1 hour of recording time at most,&nbsp;original 
    box and manual and comes with both a 16MB and 128MB SimpleTech 
    card.&nbsp;&nbsp; </DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>Ebay listing number is:&nbsp; 2505161571</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>Thanks</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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Hi--
I am hardly a fan of the Repeater--see my previous posts--
However, here in the land of the free and the home of the brave, shit is
worth what you can get for it.
If Electrix had charged more for the Repeater, they might still be in
business.
The Echoplex isn't cheap, but I guess comparatively it's getting cheaper!
Gary
PS  Hey David, the only way you are going to play both acoustics at the same
time is with a looper!
G
PS  Post in plain text, y'all


From: David Clarke's last reply--
Paul,
You're welcome.  Please feel free to ask any questions should you have any.
Only reason I'm letting it go is that I recently bought two new acoustics
and never used the Repeater.  Now I have to help pay for the guitars.
Dave
To "Butch"s message:
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Subject: Re: Electrix Repeater
Thank you for the information about the $950.00 Repeater.
Paul
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Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 10:05 AM
Subject: Electrix Repeater
Hi,
Just wanted to mention that I've listed a like-new Repeater on Ebay.  It has
less than 1 hour of recording time at most, original box and manual and
comes with both a 16MB and 128MB SimpleTech card.

Ebay listing number is:  2505161571

Thanks


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Hee, good points all.  It's true, down the road I may regret this sale.
What, you can't play two acoustics at same time? Tisk, tisk. ;*)
----- Original Message -----
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> Hi--
> I am hardly a fan of the Repeater--see my previous posts--
> However, here in the land of the free and the home of the brave, shit is
> worth what you can get for it.
> If Electrix had charged more for the Repeater, they might still be in
> business.
> The Echoplex isn't cheap, but I guess comparatively it's getting cheaper!
> Gary
> PS  Hey David, the only way you are going to play both acoustics at the
same
> time is with a looper!
> G
> PS  Post in plain text, y'all
>
>
> From: David Clarke's last reply--
> Paul,
> You're welcome.  Please feel free to ask any questions should you have
any.
> Only reason I'm letting it go is that I recently bought two new acoustics
> and never used the Repeater.  Now I have to help pay for the guitars.
> Dave
> To "Butch"s message:
> Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 10:41 AM
> Subject: Re: Electrix Repeater
> Thank you for the information about the $950.00 Repeater.
> Paul
> Concerning the original Message -----
> From: David Clarke
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 10:05 AM
> Subject: Electrix Repeater
> Hi,
> Just wanted to mention that I've listed a like-new Repeater on Ebay.  It
has
> less than 1 hour of recording time at most, original box and manual and
> comes with both a 16MB and 128MB SimpleTech card.
>
> Ebay listing number is:  2505161571
>
> Thanks
>
>

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Update:

The Repeater just sold on Ebay!

Thanks for your interest.

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> Hi--
> I am hardly a fan of the Repeater--see my previous posts--
> However, here in the land of the free and the home of the brave, shit is
> worth what you can get for it.
> If Electrix had charged more for the Repeater, they might still be in
> business.
> The Echoplex isn't cheap, but I guess comparatively it's getting cheaper!
> Gary
> PS  Hey David, the only way you are going to play both acoustics at the
same
> time is with a looper!
> G
> PS  Post in plain text, y'all
>
>
> From: David Clarke's last reply--
> Paul,
> You're welcome.  Please feel free to ask any questions should you have
any.
> Only reason I'm letting it go is that I recently bought two new acoustics
> and never used the Repeater.  Now I have to help pay for the guitars.
> Dave
> To "Butch"s message:
> Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 10:41 AM
> Subject: Re: Electrix Repeater
> Thank you for the information about the $950.00 Repeater.
> Paul
> Concerning the original Message -----
> From: David Clarke
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 10:05 AM
> Subject: Electrix Repeater
> Hi,
> Just wanted to mention that I've listed a like-new Repeater on Ebay.  It
has
> less than 1 hour of recording time at most, original box and manual and
> comes with both a 16MB and 128MB SimpleTech card.
>
> Ebay listing number is:  2505161571
>
> Thanks
>
>

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Nelson" <psychle62@yahoo.com>

> I've used MiniDisc decks as (non-real-time) loopers;
> since they're random access, if you edit a sample so
> there's no glitch at the seam, and set the deck to
> Repeat One, it'll loop without a gap. If you set up
> several decks with a mixer, you can play the faders
> like a keyboard. Unfortunately, I used Sony decks
> which have extremely fragile loading mechanisms, and
> Sony doesn't really like to honor their warranty. I've
> done similar things with CD players and/or cassette
> decks loaded with endless loop tapes, but MiniDisc
> works better, at least until the little plastic gears
> eat themselves.

The Sonys do it - but not all MD players will do a smooth loop.
It's important to test this before buying one, if looping the MD
is on one's agenda.

Cheers,
Scott M2

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>Looks like M.F. sold their stock. AMS still has them for $50 more 
>than M.F. was selling them for:
>
><http://www.americanmusical.com/item.asp?UID=2003020107112555&menu=&keyword=&item=EMU+9093>http://www.americanmusical.com/item.asp?UID=2003020107112555&menu=&keyword=&item=EMU+9093


Zzounds has 'em too.

http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=p.EMU9093&a=sswnamm03,EMU9093

(you can see all the manuals on that page, too!)

(I always mentally pronounce this place "zoonds" because that's
how the word "zounds" (from "God's Wounds") sounds, even though
I am sure they pronounce it to rhyme with "sounds".  Hah!)

     /t
-- 

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http://extremeNY.com ........................................... the calendar.
http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Nelson" <psychle62@yahoo.com>

> There was an instrument in the 70's called the
> Birotron that was developed in association with Rick
> Wakeman as a next generation Mellotron.
> <http://www.8trackheaven.com/birotron.html> While the
> Mellotron's notes came from pre-recorded strips of
> 1/4" tape, the birotron actually used 8-track
> cartridges. When you played the keyboard, whatever was
> on the cartridges would sound. The problem was,
> Mellotron tapes contained the note's attack portion,
> and the Birotron's cartridges were endless loops in
> which a keyed note would start abruptly.


Whoa - I just read the little Rick Wakeman interview
at the above link. Perhaps he should have done it on stage...

"RW: The Mellotron... I used to have two single Mellotrons,
and a double special Mellotron. And the two single ones I had,
I was so frustrated, because of tuning problems, and the tapes...
And full of anger, I took the two Mellotrons into a field,
a put petrol over them, and I fired them.  

YM: You really did that? I can't believe it! 

RW: Yeah. And all of them, all the wood, burnt and all the metal just... 

YM: Did you enjoy that?. 

RW: At the time, at the time I enjoyed it, because they had ruined
so many sessions through going wrong and breaking, but afterwards
I regret it. Oh, of course I regret it!"


Cheers,
Scott M2

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Not a looping technique, but Jon Wobesky rocked a Bundt cake pan at Boston
Loopfest the other night. He played it with a mallet. Besides making great
cakes, that pan has a gorgeous sound.


dan


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on 2/1/03 4:39 AM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL at GLOBAL@cruzio.com wrote:

Hi everybody,

I posted the following message to the wonderful JUNKMUSIC group at Yahoo
(that boasts
a few very creative L.D. members).

It was in response to a thread about people trying to find inexpensive
sources for
Blugels (or Whirlygigs, which are merely corrugated plastic tubing that you
whirl around your head to produce whistling overtone series).

It got me to thinking that I would love to participate in a thread about
unusual ways of using looping technology to produce really intersting,
unusual
and/or wierd/avante garde sounds.

I am fascinated with taking this technology and using it to create sounds
and ways of making music that haven't been done before  (Richard Zvonar will
of course now post and tell me that some guy was doing this with a wireless
recorder in 1927 but I had not heard anybody do this when I first started
doing it.............<smiles at the Dr. of all things wierd and wonderful in
music>).

OK  here's the post, with the technique mentioned first and then the
information about obtaining the blugels at the end for anyone interested in
this fascinating and ultra simple way of producing comb filtering effects
acoustically.


post to the junkmusic group:

Also, don't forget that the smaller sizes of tubing produce whistle sounds
that comb filter up through the harmonics of the tube as you blow harder.
Whirling them around
cause air to 'play' the pipe so you might as well blow through them.

I have a whole series of corrugate straws that are given out at various
k-marts, seven elevens and cheap tourist stores that produce beautiful
harmonics.

A fabulous trick if you happen to own a looper that has
backwards/forwards/half speed double speed characteristics (a LINE 6 DL4
inexpensively or an GIBSON Echoplex EDP if you have the bucks and want your
life changed in a positive way)

Is to start a loop and toggle the reverse button and the half speed/double
speed buttom randomly and very rapidly until you end the loop recording.

what is so cool is that you will then be playing octaves of the harmonics
that you are playing so that , as avante garde as it sounds (and it sounds
like pygmies on acid ;-)
it is always in the same key.

I then take that loop,  resample it into my ELECTRIX Repeater and then play
it's pitch
with a wind synth midi controller.  Unlike a normal sampler, the Repeater
has algorhythms
that automatically stretch the sample at ever pitch so the the rhythm is
maintained.

Totally unusual sounding and yet I can play  "You are the Sunshine of my
Life" (if I were to feel like it................NOT!!!!) and anyone can
instantly recognize the melodies.

I know that this is a found sound forum, but this looping shit has got to be
experienced if you are really into acoustic sounds and how to manipulate
them in real time in front of an audience.


and...........the first part of the post:


Jon Wagner surprised me at one of my loop shows with
a Sampler packet from

www.globalmedinc.com

that has several sizes of corrugated clear plastic
whirly gig tubes.

they are available in

25 mm
22 mm
19 mm
15 mm
13 mm
10 mm
6  mm


sizes.   there were enough samples in the packet that I got
to cut several octaves from it  (half of half of half of half and so on).


also, there were samples of expandable medical tubing
which is awesome because it clicks into place and when expanded
makes a guiro like sound whose harmonics phase shift downwards as it
expands because the fundamental pitch of the pipe goes down as the tube
becomes longer.

Just awesome sound sources.

You might e-mail Jon and ask him how he got the samples.

All I know is that I had completely planned a found sound looping
performance and
just threw one of my pieces out because I was so stoked to get the 'care'
package from him
and I made up a piece on the spot with it.  Afterwards I went home and cut
up all the octaves.

Try it,  you'll like it.

yours Rick Walker




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Not a looping technique, but Jon Wobesky rocked a Bundt cake pan at Boston =
Loopfest the other night. He played it with a mallet. Besides making great c=
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<BR>
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on 2/1/03 4:39 AM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL at GLOBAL@cruzio.com wrote:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Hi everybody,<BR>
<BR>
I posted the following message to the wonderful JUNKMUSIC group at Yahoo<BR=
>
(that boasts<BR>
a few very creative L.D. members).<BR>
<BR>
It was in response to a thread about people trying to find inexpensive<BR>
sources for<BR>
Blugels (or Whirlygigs, which are merely corrugated plastic tubing that you=
<BR>
whirl around your head to produce whistling overtone series).<BR>
<BR>
It got me to thinking that I would love to participate in a thread about<BR=
>
unusual ways of using looping technology to produce really intersting,<BR>
unusual<BR>
and/or wierd/avante garde sounds.<BR>
<BR>
I am fascinated with taking this technology and using it to create sounds<B=
R>
and ways of making music that haven't been done before &nbsp;(Richard Zvona=
r will<BR>
of course now post and tell me that some guy was doing this with a wireless=
<BR>
recorder in 1927 but I had not heard anybody do this when I first started<B=
R>
doing it.............&lt;smiles at the Dr. of all things wierd and wonderfu=
l in<BR>
music&gt;).<BR>
<BR>
OK &nbsp;here's the post, with the technique mentioned first and then the<B=
R>
information about obtaining the blugels at the end for anyone interested in=
<BR>
this fascinating and ultra simple way of producing comb filtering effects<B=
R>
acoustically.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
post to the junkmusic group:<BR>
<BR>
Also, don't forget that the smaller sizes of tubing produce whistle sounds<=
BR>
that comb filter up through the harmonics of the tube as you blow harder.<B=
R>
Whirling them around<BR>
cause air to 'play' the pipe so you might as well blow through them.<BR>
<BR>
I have a whole series of corrugate straws that are given out at various<BR>
k-marts, seven elevens and cheap tourist stores that produce beautiful<BR>
harmonics.<BR>
<BR>
A fabulous trick if you happen to own a looper that has<BR>
backwards/forwards/half speed double speed characteristics (a LINE 6 DL4<BR=
>
inexpensively or an GIBSON Echoplex EDP if you have the bucks and want your=
<BR>
life changed in a positive way)<BR>
<BR>
Is to start a loop and toggle the reverse button and the half speed/double<=
BR>
speed buttom randomly and very rapidly until you end the loop recording.<BR=
>
<BR>
what is so cool is that you will then be playing octaves of the harmonics<B=
R>
that you are playing so that , as avante garde as it sounds (and it sounds<=
BR>
like pygmies on acid ;-)<BR>
it is always in the same key.<BR>
<BR>
I then take that loop, &nbsp;resample it into my ELECTRIX Repeater and then=
 play<BR>
it's pitch<BR>
with a wind synth midi controller. &nbsp;Unlike a normal sampler, the Repea=
ter<BR>
has algorhythms<BR>
that automatically stretch the sample at ever pitch so the the rhythm is<BR=
>
maintained.<BR>
<BR>
Totally unusual sounding and yet I can play &nbsp;&quot;You are the Sunshin=
e of my<BR>
Life&quot; (if I were to feel like it................NOT!!!!) and anyone ca=
n<BR>
instantly recognize the melodies.<BR>
<BR>
I know that this is a found sound forum, but this looping shit has got to b=
e<BR>
experienced if you are really into acoustic sounds and how to manipulate<BR=
>
them in real time in front of an audience.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
and...........the first part of the post:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Jon Wagner surprised me at one of my loop shows with<BR>
a Sampler packet from<BR>
<BR>
www.globalmedinc.com<BR>
<BR>
that has several sizes of corrugated clear plastic<BR>
whirly gig tubes.<BR>
<BR>
they are available in<BR>
<BR>
25 mm<BR>
22 mm<BR>
19 mm<BR>
15 mm<BR>
13 mm<BR>
10 mm<BR>
6 &nbsp;mm<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
sizes. &nbsp;&nbsp;there were enough samples in the packet that I got<BR>
to cut several octaves from it &nbsp;(half of half of half of half and so o=
n).<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
also, there were samples of expandable medical tubing<BR>
which is awesome because it clicks into place and when expanded<BR>
makes a guiro like sound whose harmonics phase shift downwards as it<BR>
expands because the fundamental pitch of the pipe goes down as the tube<BR>
becomes longer.<BR>
<BR>
Just awesome sound sources.<BR>
<BR>
You might e-mail Jon and ask him how he got the samples.<BR>
<BR>
All I know is that I had completely planned a found sound looping<BR>
performance and<BR>
just threw one of my pieces out because I was so stoked to get the 'care'<B=
R>
package from him<BR>
and I made up a piece on the spot with it. &nbsp;Afterwards I went home and=
 cut<BR>
up all the octaves.<BR>
<BR>
Try it, &nbsp;you'll like it.<BR>
<BR>
yours Rick Walker<BR>
<BR>
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And Jon Beyerly accompanied with Malibu Barbie!!!  What a great show.

Jeff


On 2/1/03 12:13, "Dan Soltzberg" <d.ans@verizon.net> wrote:

> Not a looping technique, but Jon Wobesky rocked a Bundt cake pan at Boston
> Loopfest the other night. He played it with a mallet. Besides making great
> cakes, that pan has a gorgeous sound.
> 
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<FONT FACE=3D"Verdana">And Jon Beyerly accompanied with Malibu Barbie!!! &nbs=
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nicely articulated, scott--

definitely looping tools can be many things to many people.

one thing I notice is that some looping performers seem to be driven/guided
by the machines and their properties-- in some cases, the music seems
subjugated to the technology-- whereas other performers integrate the tools
more transparently, and the music is just music that happens to be made
using loopers as well as whatever else.

for me, my loopers are just more instruments, as is my delay, my bass, my
tabletop mixer, etc. looping devices made it possible for me to actually
play a music I'd been imagining almost since I started playing. I think my
favorite piece of it at the moment is the way multiple overlayed loops take
on a life of their own, and with two non-synced loopers, create shifting
rhythms that land in between meter, and would be almost impossible to create
otherwise.

thank god/ jah/ spirit for engineers.

dan


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on 1/30/03 7:04 AM, scott kungha drengsen at kungha@earthlink.net wrote:

There are many ways of approaching this art form as both creater and
performer.It's not just another effect(but it CAN be)it's not just
recorded music(but,it CAN be)it's not just an easy to get along with
bandmate(but,it CAN be)The most interesting metaphor to me at the moment
is a musical RELATIONSHIP that multiplies whatever the initiater
intends.....
Hoping to hear from others as well,
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nicely articulated, scott-- <BR>
<BR>
definitely looping tools can be many things to many people.<BR>
<BR>
one thing I notice is that some looping performers seem to be driven/guided=
 by the machines and their properties-- in some cases, the music seems subju=
gated to the technology-- whereas other performers integrate the tools more =
transparently, and the music is just music that happens to be made using loo=
pers as well as whatever else.<BR>
<BR>
for me, my loopers are just more instruments, as is my delay, my bass, my t=
abletop mixer, etc. looping devices made it possible for me to actually play=
 a music I'd been imagining almost since I started playing. I think my favor=
ite piece of it at the moment is the way multiple overlayed loops take on a =
life of their own, and with two non-synced loopers, create shifting rhythms =
that land in between meter, and would be almost impossible to create otherwi=
se.<BR>
<BR>
thank god/ jah/ spirit for engineers.<BR>
<BR>
dan<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
-- <BR>
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<BR>
<BR>
on 1/30/03 7:04 AM, scott kungha drengsen at kungha@earthlink.net wrote:<BR=
>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
There are many ways of approaching this art form as both creater and<BR>
performer.It's not just another effect(but it CAN be)it's not just<BR>
recorded music(but,it CAN be)it's not just an easy to get along with<BR>
bandmate(but,it CAN be)The most interesting metaphor to me at the moment<BR=
>
is a musical RELATIONSHIP that multiplies whatever the initiater<BR>
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i was curious how many of you out there are performing
with non-loop based bands?  

i've had my repeater for almost a year now and i've
gradually been experimenting with it and learning how
to integrate it into my voice as a musician and
bassist.  it's really been great for helping me expand
what i can do in a live situation and i view it as
both a tool and an instrument (sometimes i play the
bass accompanied by the repeater...other times i play
the repeater accompanied by the bass).

as with anything, i get better with the repeater over
time and practice. however, when using it with a live
non-looping band, i haven't figured out a good way to
compensate for the natural energy or vibe of a band
that causes music to gradually (and often unnoticably)
increase in tempo.  

i've seen many posts on the list of people complaining
about having perfect time and their loopers slightly
falling off time, but i've checked with a metronome
and the machine doesn't fall off tempo...i've also
noticed that depending on the way i trigger my
recording and playing, there is a certain amount of
compensation that needs to be made for certain devices
(like a footswitch vs. a midi controller), but has
anyone figured out a way to compensate for natural
tempo increases and/or slow downs accurately?

peace and bass...
~e va n
evanmeyers@yahoo.com

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I am currently editing MPEGs of myself at performances, most of the time you 
actually see and hear that i am using my pair of EDP's

is there a free place to post these on the web?

I don't know much about it yet, but I've tried e-mailing them and posting 
them in my yahoo group and I get the impression that they are just to big to 
place anywhere...

If there is not a free place, what is my next option? How and where can you 
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> I am currently editing MPEGs of myself at performances, most of the time you 
> actually see and hear that i am using my pair of EDP's
> 
> is there a free place to post these on the web?
> 
> I don't know much about it yet, but I've tried e-mailing them and posting 
> them in my yahoo group and I get the impression that they are just to big to 
> place anywhere...
> 
> If there is not a free place, what is my next option? How and where can you 
> fit an MPEG or several MPEGs to have available for free public download 
> online?

It's much maligned, but I believe that mp3.com will currently host
three mp3s, up to 20-minutes each, for free.

Cheers,
Scott M2

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In a message dated 2/1/2003 11:04:26 AM Mountain Standard Time, 
evanmeyers@yahoo.com writes:

> as with anything, i get better with the repeater over
> time and practice. however, when using it with a live
> non-looping band, i haven't figured out a good way to
> compensate for the natural energy or vibe of a band
> that causes music to gradually (and often unnoticably)
> increase in tempo. 

This is the #1 reason i did not keep my POS (boomerang) and waited to get the 
EDPs!

I have played with a few drummers that are pretty good at it...

I usually have a drum machine synced to my master EDP and in something for 
only the drummer to hear, (like a combo or a monitor) the drum machine has a 
tambourine or a handclap or something in that fashion on the 2 and 4, or the 
5 and 9 depending on how badly you want to scrutinize what I'm telling you...

The drummer can adjust the volume to his / her liking, and keep the bands 
meter in check...

One other thing i have found is to take some time to help the band understand 
what is happening and why...

When we do this, everyone understands by a cue i give that means they need to 
pay attention and lock into the loop!

I just open my mouth to each member prior to the action and mouth words 
really big L O O P.... and they really seem to pick up on it! ;)

COMMUNICATION it works really well ... just do it before, during, and after 
the performance!

The more mature the players, usually the more eager they are to find ways to 
make it work!

One other tip:

For all the musicians that i play with when i use looping, i tell them that 
we need to practice... 

not practice looping, but practice how to maintain and modify when the loop 
goes terribly wrong, like if the machine does something that i didn't expect, 
or if i just applied too much human error! 90% just the conversation itself 
makes all the difference necessary! when people are ready and aware that a 
problem could arise, it has been very easy to maintain our composure and be 
able to drive right through the train wrecks...

The coolest way i have seen loopers stay synced is FELLOW loopers playing 
together... Andre, Rick, Steve, and Michael are all very well versed in 
looping tech ... so each was very aware and listened extremely well ... the 
night i saw them nothing was synced, and there were no clicks!

Those guys are brutal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 2/1/2003 11:04:26 AM Mountain Standard Time, evanmeyers@yahoo.com writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">as with anything, i get better with the repeater over<BR>
time and practice. however, when using it with a live<BR>
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compensate for the natural energy or vibe of a band<BR>
that causes music to gradually (and often unnoticably)<BR>
increase in tempo. </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
This is the #1 reason i did not keep my POS (boomerang) and waited to get the EDPs!<BR>
<BR>
I have played with a few drummers that are pretty good at it...<BR>
<BR>
I usually have a drum machine synced to my master EDP and in something for only the drummer to hear, (like a combo or a monitor) the drum machine has a tambourine or a handclap or something in that fashion on the 2 and 4, or the 5 and 9 depending on how badly you want to scrutinize what I'm telling you...<BR>
<BR>
The drummer can adjust the volume to his / her liking, and keep the bands meter in check...<BR>
<BR>
One other thing i have found is to take some time to help the band understand what is happening and why...<BR>
<BR>
When we do this, everyone understands by a cue i give that means they need to pay attention and lock into the loop!<BR>
<BR>
I just open my mouth to each member prior to the action and mouth words really big </FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=4 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">L O O P</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">.... and they really seem to pick up on it! ;)<BR>
<BR>
COMMUNICATION it works really well ... just do it before, during, and after the performance!<BR>
<BR>
The more mature the players, usually the more eager they are to find ways to make it work!<BR>
<BR>
One other tip:<BR>
<BR>
For all the musicians that i play with when i use looping, i tell them that we need to practice... <BR>
<BR>
not practice looping, but practice how to maintain and modify when the loop goes terribly wrong, like if the machine does something that i didn't expect, or if i just applied too much human error! 90% just the conversation itself makes all the difference necessary! when people are ready and aware that a problem could arise, it has been very easy to maintain our composure and be able to drive right through the train wrecks...<BR>
<BR>
The coolest way i have seen loopers stay synced is FELLOW loopers playing together... Andre, Rick, Steve, and Michael are all very well versed in looping tech ... so each was very aware and listened extremely well ... the night i saw them nothing was synced, and there were no clicks!<BR>
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THE AMBiENT PiNG   http://www.theambientping.com
Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30
  @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto
         3 blocks east of the Union Station subway.
         map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

This Tuesday Feb. 4th 2003 - psychosomatic climax machine
     and The Devil in the Design

psychosomatic climax machine merges ambient soundscapes, drones,
loops, microtonality exchanges & layers by Anne Sulikowski with
prepared guitar improvisations by Jeff Sinibaldi. The Devil in the Design
features experimentations and ambient sound manipulations by
Gwyn Ogison. Short sets by each project will be followed by an
improv session to finish off the night, combining the sounds of all
the night's artists.   p.c.m.: http://www.worthyrecords.com
The Devil in the Design: http://www.mp3.com/Gwyn

Between Sets CD - "Satori" by Thom Brennan (2002 - Zero Music)
An extended (71 minute) piece of lush electronic ooze from
Seattle Washington artist Thom Brennan, whose recent work
reflects the influence of the mountains and rainforests of the
American Pacific Northwest. http://www.thombrennan.com
(See a complete review by rik maclean, later in this e-mail.)
* This CD is currently available at PiNG THiNGS
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's
finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus
performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia
(aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect
for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room
and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the
club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats
are on offer at the PiNG THiNGS ambient/experimental CD boutique.
Drop off food at PiNG THiNGS for the Daily Bread Food Bank too.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Coming Tuesday February 11th - Tomasz Krakowiak
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Between Sets CD - "Interiors" by Sara Ayers (2001 - Dark Wood)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

rik maclean's PiNG THiNGS' CD REViEWs

"Satori" by Thom Brennan

I've long been impressed by the ability of an artist to create and
sustain a long form piece of music. To be able to form a work that
grows and evolves over an extended span of time while still
maintaining a basic theme, an intrinsic truth, seems to me almost
like creating a living thing.

Thom Brennan has done just that with his disc "Satori". Stretching
over 70 minutes in length, "Satori" is a beautiful, flowing, organic
work that totally inspires mad devotion in me.  From start to finish
it wraps around the listener, caressing them, inviting them deeper
into it's spell. It breathes and pulses with life, lightly kissing the soul,
dancing across the senses.  I love this disc...

Hear an mp3 sample and/or purchase at the Zero Music site:
http://www.zeromusic.net/html/atmospheric.html#satori

rik maclean -  torment@corpusnet.com

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  Wow! Daryl, thanks alot!   -am very glad you enjoyed the show.  
  Hurray screaming Duets!   woohoo!   lol!  
  I'm back in Boulder now after spending a most wonderful week in Santa
Cruz.  Dre and I tried to say hi to y'all during the tour from a wild lil'
internet cafe, wonderin' what the list was comin' to in our absence, but
alas, it didn't make it.   lol!   -Glad to see we're talking about looping
again...  <smile>   
  I'd like to thank Dre, Rick, Steve and Jon, for the amazing music and for
such a wonderful time.   -Dan, for tour management, and Kim and all of the
LD'ers who attended the shows.  I truly enjoyed seeing you again, and
meeting others for the first time.  
  Re: the Palo Alto performance itself.  -again, thanks to Jon, for having
me on the bill, and to Daryl and others for their comments.  I'm hoping
we'll get to hear a recording of the show as it can be difficult to
remember exactly what's happening alot of the time.  
  Re:  Looper as instrument.  Daryl, you commented that rarely did you hear
a dry signal fed to a plex.   I'll just say for myself, that my sound was
just a plain guitar tone with just the slightest touches of reverb and
distortion, aside from the occasional turntably stuff with the Space
Station, Which I thought was pretty obvious, and which I only tended to use
along WITH a loop, all of the loops I created, were very dry and
uneffected.   
  If you heard things that sounded like other effects and such from me, it
was the looper.   
  <smile>   -Like I said, I can't remember alot of it myself, and it's not
just the blonde thing!   lol!   
  Anyway, Thanks again, to all involved, it was a most wonderful time to be
sure...   

Smiles,

Cara

At 10:54 AM 1/24/03 -0800, you wrote:
>
>So last night I went to check out the Looping Fest in Palo Alto,
>featuring Rick, Goddess, Andre and Jon.  As it was the first time I've
>seen an improvisational multi-looper performance, and one of the first
>times I've seen such heavy use of an EDP and Repeater, it was kind of a
>clinic in contemporary looping techniques for me personally.
>
>I had a great time, first off!  I loved seeing different combinations of
>players, as well as percussion instruments - I realized how boring a
>standard trap kit can be when compared with all the possibilities of a
>clay pot, a steel saucepan, cymbals, tablas, or frisbees (!). The
>EDP-mangling was really entertaining, especially when combined with
>Rick's facial expressions and Andre's subtle hip-swaying.   The high
>point was a screaming duet between Goddess and Andre, as the EDP's
>provided an evil dub bassline and a ghostly whine, while Jon and Rick
>synced up on 32-second note hi-hats and cymbals.  Yeah!  Each of the
>solo sets was also particularly enjoyable, everyone involved clearly has
>developed a really unique interaction with their little magic boxes.
>
>The glitching and repeating was really nuts, to hear and to watch.
>Still, as wonderful and musical as it was to hear Rick turn
>throatsinging into a children's chorus, or Andre turn a bent harmonic
>into god-knows-what, I had to think about the question posed earlier
>this week about the difference between an instrument and an effect or
>processor....and I came out of this event feeling that looping equipment
>isn't really an instrument.  An instrument is something that generates a
>tone, by definition.  And though the EDP can do insane things with any
>tone fed to it - you could probably snap your fingers once into a mic,
>then entertain a crowd all night with warpings of that initial tone - it
>doesn't actually generate a sound.  I think this is important, for me at
>least, because that initial tone is SO crucial, even after twisting it
>every which way.  The most interesting and musical things last night
>that happened with loops were interesting and musical because of the
>source; tweaking it made it exponentially more so.  But when a dry or
>flat sound was fed to a loop (which happened rarely, I have to say),
>processing didn't really take it anywhere, in my opinion.
>
>I guess my point is that to make good loops with your instrument, you
>gotta be good on the instrument.  Even if that instrument is a piece of
>Tupperware (Rick!), you have to know how to get a good sound out of it.
>
>For those who feel that an EDP actually is an instrument, I'm curious
>whether a turntable would also fit the definition...?
>
>thanks to Jon, Rick, Goddess and Andre for a wonderful time!  I'm bummed
>I had to dash off to catch a train and couldn't meet each of you
>afterwards.
>
>Daryl Shawn
>highhorse@mhorse.com
>
>


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Do you perform with polar?  Most loopers says computers dont work well for realtime looping cause of latency issues.  Is there a PC version?
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on 2/1/03 12:30 PM, Matthew CALDER at matthew@caldergallerys.freeserve.co.uk
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> Id like to get my hands on a repeater, does anyone have one for sale...?

Given what they seem to be going for, I could probably be induced to sell
mine. It's essentially unused. I'll probably find myself missing stereo at
some point, but I'll adapt. How seriously does anyone want me to think about
setting a price?

Mark

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Hi Mark...oh Im serious enough..! but as for setting price, the ball is in
your court really...although Im not up to silly money, hope we can work
something out.
Matt


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> on 2/1/03 12:30 PM, Matthew CALDER at
matthew@caldergallerys.freeserve.co.uk
> wrote:
>
> > Id like to get my hands on a repeater, does anyone have one for sale...?
>
> Given what they seem to be going for, I could probably be induced to sell
> mine. It's essentially unused. I'll probably find myself missing stereo at
> some point, but I'll adapt. How seriously does anyone want me to think
about
> setting a price?
>
> Mark
>
>

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I'd pay $750 for a repeater with a mem card and fs300 with nothing wrong
with it. That's the most I'd pay. Tax return coming so if anyone's up for
it, please let me know?

P.s. This can on ebay may be pulling a schill: put up an item you'd like to
get more for than it's been going for, have a friend bid and win on it up to
a ridiculous price, then put it up for real and get above market value base
on the precident you've just set.

$750 anyone?

on 2/1/03 11:38 PM, Mark Hamburg at mark_hamburg@baymoon.com wrote:

> on 2/1/03 12:30 PM, Matthew CALDER at matthew@caldergallerys.freeserve.co.uk
> wrote:
> 
>> Id like to get my hands on a repeater, does anyone have one for sale...?
> 
> Given what they seem to be going for, I could probably be induced to sell
> mine. It's essentially unused. I'll probably find myself missing stereo at
> some point, but I'll adapt. How seriously does anyone want me to think about
> setting a price?
> 
> Mark
> 

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>Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 11:48:26 -0500
>From: "Scott McGregor Moore" <scott@dreamstate.to>
>Subject: MD  looping
>The Sonys do it - but not all MD players will do a smooth loop.
>It's important to test this before buying one, if looping the MD
>is on one's agenda.

Yup, exactly.
Usually, the Sharp minidiscs don't do this (there's a small gap between 
tracks that don't directly follow each other), but are *far* better for 
recording (you can change the input volume while recording, etc.
The Sony are not as good for recording but are better for looping.
So, the best solution is to buy a sharp recorder and a sony player ;)

</daviD>

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On Sunday, February 2, 2003, at 12:33 PM, glenn wrote:

> $750 anyone?

You'll be lucky judging by the current over-inflated prices.

The main reason why people would sell one is to fund future equipment 
purchases... Its sad to say it, but if someone can get $950 or more by 
selling it on ebay, then why should they sell it $200 less (unless they 
are rich/kind). However, saying that, good luck :)

(And no, I'm not selling mine)

Do you think we'll see them hit the $1000 mark soon? 

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already did... one went for 1025 on ebay.

todd

On 2/2/03 12:01 PM, "Stuart Wyatt   (Solo String Project)"
<loopers-delight@solostring.com> wrote:

> 
> On Sunday, February 2, 2003, at 12:33 PM, glenn wrote:
> 
>> $750 anyone?
> 
> You'll be lucky judging by the current over-inflated prices.
> 
> The main reason why people would sell one is to fund future equipment
> purchases... Its sad to say it, but if someone can get $950 or more by
> selling it on ebay, then why should they sell it $200 less (unless they
> are rich/kind). However, saying that, good luck :)
> 
> (And no, I'm not selling mine)
> 
> Do you think we'll see them hit the $1000 mark soon?
> 

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Good sources of MD information are...

www.minidisc.org (online MD community)
www.minidisco.com (online store with equipment recommendations)

Matt

daviD wrote:

> Yup, exactly.
> Usually, the Sharp minidiscs don't do this (there's a small gap 
> between tracks that don't directly follow each other), but are *far* 
> better for recording (you can change the input volume while recording, 
> etc.
> The Sony are not as good for recording but are better for looping.
> So, the best solution is to buy a sharp recorder and a sony player ;)



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Hi Bob (if you are getting this), or anyone who knows how to get in touch.

What are your current addresses for email and snail-mail?

Thanks.

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>  > Even though depressing a piano key is discreetly parametric (you send a
>>   hammer event at a velocity).  This event affects the timbre of the string
>as
>>   well as simply the volume.  The player then gets to decide how long to let
>>   the overtones "bloom".
>
>I noticed that when you hit a piano note for the second time
>while holding the sus pedal down there's a very different sound.
>a lot brighter, because the hammer collides with the vibrations
>from another note.

when I used to play piano, I loved to press the pedal just a little 
after releasing the keys, so the damper would touch the string 
quickly and make it sound soft, but the sustain would be long, and 
somehow even seem longer...

Shure, this effect could be sampled an plaied even simpler on a 
electronic instrument...

we are quite OT here
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>--- Mark Smart <mwsmart@insightbb.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Another reason I haven't played out with it yet
>>  is....I haven't figured out
>>  how to END a song in a way that doesn't sound
>>  totally lame!
>
>One way would be to run your loop to a delay just
>prior to ending the loop. If the delay will multi-
>tap, ping-pong, repeat hold, or change pitch, so
>much the better.
>
>John

good way!
I often chop a short bit out of the long loop and reduce the feeback 
and play some new notes into the fading fragment. It probably sounds 
somehow similar to what John sais, but is all done within the EDP :-)

If the loop is not all that long, I often play slow faded notes into 
the loop while its fading out, so you get the feel of coming back to 
the base before that is fading, too...
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sometime some one comes up with examples of loops in the non music 
world - usually to justify why what he is saying is not OT :-)

Can you contribute to such a list?
It also helps to understand the two basic kinds of loops we are using:

** The Feedback loop as happen with tapes, EDP, Mayers and DTs 
gear... where the output is fed back to the input and thus repeated.

- Urine therapy: drink you own urine! Seems to work, really
- BSE: Feed the cow with the parts of its ancestors you could not sell. Bad.
- Money games: a filtered kind of FB, mostly nothing, sometimes a lot 
comes back.
- The scolar education on a long scale (the pupils turn teachers)
- Life with sexual procreation
- Mantras if we consider the stimulation effect of the mantra on the singer


** The Sample loop done with Repeater, Jamman, most Software... which 
is the repetition of the same thing, jumping back or circular:

- Oil wars, as recently brought up
- The scolar education on a short scale (the teacher repeats his program)
- Life with cloning
- Year, lunar month, day...
- Mantras, if we just think of execution

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At 10:07 PM -0200 2/2/03, Matthias Grob wrote:
>sometime some one comes up with examples of loops in the non music 
>world - usually to justify why what he is saying is not OT :-)

Many traditional societies have a view of the temporal universe that 
is cyclic. The idea of progression through time is simply not part of 
those cultures. The Italian philosopher Giambattista Vico expounded 
on this in his "Sienza Nuova" ("New Science") in 1725. These notions 
were later influential on James Joyce, manifested particularly in 
"Finnegan's Wake." This book is an enormous loop; its opening passage 
is a continuation of its final passage.

Looping patterns and processes are often found in the non-musical 
arts. Repeating  patterns are most obvious in the visual arts, 
ranging from the trivial (wallpaper and fabric patterns) to the 
sublime (the transformations in M.C. Escher's art). Dance is close to 
music in its use of pattern and repetition. Literature, theater, and 
film also contain many examples, though those that spring to mind at 
the moment are films in which repetition is used as a framework for 
the exploration of alternative views of events.

A few films I can think of in that connection are "Rashomon," "Run 
Lola Run," "Memento," and "Groundhog Day."


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Hi Chris
I don't see y there should b any problems with latency when using computers 
as loop recorders as long as u don't want to use effects processing.
U simply use a splitter box or anything that turns one output into two i.e. 
a guitar pedal with a stereo output, take one signal to u'r mixer (or 
whatever) this is your direct signal, and take one to your computer, turn 
the monitor audio function of your computer off. Then heh presto you only 
hear the audio from the computer after its looped., meanwhile the direct 
signal carries you as your playing.

I don't tend to use my laptop live as I've only just got it and alot of the 
work I do with looping is across an entire mix of a band so I have to do the 
live sound and looping at the same time, in this environment I am not sure 
if I could handle the computer simply because its such a high pressure 
situation and computers still take more time than hardware to get working 
properly. For the record at the moment I am using an Akai Mpc2000 and EDP 
and a phrase sampler as my live rig.
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Interesting buyer








>From: David Clarke <clarkeds@comcast.net>
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>Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 11:11:30 -0500
>
>Update:
>
>The Repeater just sold on Ebay!
>
>Thanks for your interest.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" <healthquestrecruiter@earthlink.net>
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>Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 10:59 AM
>Subject: RE: Electrix Repeater
>
>
> > Hi--
> > I am hardly a fan of the Repeater--see my previous posts--
> > However, here in the land of the free and the home of the brave, shit is
> > worth what you can get for it.
> > If Electrix had charged more for the Repeater, they might still be in
> > business.
> > The Echoplex isn't cheap, but I guess comparatively it's getting 
>cheaper!
> > Gary
> > PS  Hey David, the only way you are going to play both acoustics at the
>same
> > time is with a looper!
> > G
> > PS  Post in plain text, y'all
> >
> >
> > From: David Clarke's last reply--
> > Paul,
> > You're welcome.  Please feel free to ask any questions should you have
>any.
> > Only reason I'm letting it go is that I recently bought two new 
>acoustics
> > and never used the Repeater.  Now I have to help pay for the guitars.
> > Dave
> > To "Butch"s message:
> > Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 10:41 AM
> > Subject: Re: Electrix Repeater
> > Thank you for the information about the $950.00 Repeater.
> > Paul
> > Concerning the original Message -----
> > From: David Clarke
> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 10:05 AM
> > Subject: Electrix Repeater
> > Hi,
> > Just wanted to mention that I've listed a like-new Repeater on Ebay.  It
>has
> > less than 1 hour of recording time at most, original box and manual and
> > comes with both a 16MB and 128MB SimpleTech card.
> >
> > Ebay listing number is:  2505161571
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >


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I just switched over from mp3s to OGGs since im pro-open source, One thing
I'm wondering is if there is a OGG upload site like there is mp3.com.....

does anyone know?

-Kris

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I have an A2000 and it is one of my favourite synth. You can certainly get
bizaare sounds out of it. Beware though, the 16 meg (or is it 8) rom upgrade
is virtually extinct, and look out for prices of the Emu Extreme Lead which
has the soundset of the A2000 built in, but can take the newer Emu Rom
cards.
  -----Original Message-----
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  Sent: 01 February 2003 03:25
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  I picked up an Audity for a very low price (Musician's Friend has them for
$299). This  'rhythmic' synth module really kicks butt! 16, count 'em, 16
arpeggiators! I've been fooling around with the preset
arpeggiations/patterns generating rhythms to ultimately use with my looping
gear. The Emu interrface is fairly easy to grasp. I can see lots of
possibilities with this piece of electronica. Has an interesting lineage,
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  Regards, Paul

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Hi gang,
I'm in love with sound design, from manipulating found sounds to using
computers and
effects processors and stomp boxes to mangle sounds.  Whenever there are
those
100 tips for sound design articles in Electronic Musician or Future Music or
Keyboard magazine I just eat that shit up  (by the way, the excellent
british mag, Future Music just had it's 10th anniversary issue with a whole
bunch of best of lists in it........go check it out).

Would anyone be into contributing some of their favorite idiosyncratic
techniques for
looping sounds and designing sounds to loop?  I'd personally love such a
thread.


In that spirit I just discovered some cool shit today and thought I'd like
to share it
with you all:


 I just bought the coolest thing today.......it is a little dayglo green
plastic
'rock star' headset mic and plastic speak amplifier that I bought at
CLAIRE's which is
a young teen age girls accesorie shop in the local mall  (I seem to get half
of my
plastic found sound musical stuff at shops like these............making very
sure that
I make eye contact with no young pubescesnt girls lest they think this
purple haired
middled aged man is a freak....................LMAO).   All the young women
who work in these stores know me by now and actually save stuff for me that
they think I will like.
It's pretty cool.

Anyway, this little plastic toy amplifier with a tiny headset mic  cost $10
(US) and is surprisingly loud and, of course, really low fi.  It is also
really prone to feedback.

 It is so prone to feedback that I started singing through it, covering the
teeny
2" speaker with my hand and systematically (and rhythmically) taking it off
partially.
In this way I could control (like a human noise gate) a couple of bands of
feedback (hand completely covering the speaker will cut the feedback
instantly).

I then sang a little falsetto ditty in 7/8 into it and recorded it into
Sound Forge.

I then opened up KANTOS as a plugin (which is this incredible new soft synth
made by
Antares---they of Autotune fame----which is controlled by audio tracks NOT
midi.

It analyses the sound coming in (in this case my wierd little feedbacked 7/8
vocal thing)
and then you can control resultant synthesizer's pitch with the waveform.

I love 'what's wrong with this picture' sounds so I chose voice simulation
synth patches
to drive with this vocal thingee and the results sound like Psychedelic
Pygmies.

Wow, If I only had KANTOS as a real time processor, I'd never take another
keyboard to a gig again.........with the wind synth control of the Repeater
loops and the ability to control a synth with your singing or melodic
playing............woooohooooo.

Okee dokee,  that's my WIERD SOUND DESIGN for looping tip of the
day.........

..........who's into following suit?

yours,  Rick Walker (loop.pool)
www.looppool.info

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Modern statistics (computer-based) is bursting at the staples with looping.
Anything having to do with optimizing (making the best estimate of
something) anything, has recursive (looping)  programming as its method. The
results are everywhere. When some of the stock analysts tell you what to buy
or sell its there. When google produces results for you, I bet its looping.
When the ICBMs and smart bombs drop from the sky to anahilate their target
you can thank looping for guiding them accurately. When the market
researchers and data miners are snooping through your purchase history, they
wouldn't have a job cept for looping. WHen the IRS develops a model to
detect cheaters or when actuarys develop a model to detect claim fraud they
rely on looping. So now to bring it back to art, when Cage was doing his
Iching, and Burroughs doing his cut up method, and the surrealists automatic
writing, they were doing organic forms of looping. Aleatory computer based
music is generally driven by representations of probability distributions to
choose notes, durations, volumes, tempo and all. Applied math makes music.

ALex

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Hi there!

In light of the recent posts regarding the Audity 2000
I thought that I would post this reply. I was asking
on a different list about the Audity 2000 vs. the
newer Proteus 2500 and I received this answer, which
was quite informative regarding the genesis from the
A2000 to the current series of Proteus/Command Station
units. I haven't acted on a new box yet, but it looks
like an XL-7 to me would be a superior box compared to
the A2000. Especially if future expansion is being
considered.

Best Regards,

Nick Wilson
Chicago


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Maybe I can help as I own both the Audity 2K and the
XL-7, which is the P2500 in a different set of skins
with a different sound ROM.

The Audity 2K was a predecessor of the Proteus 2K
first generation.  It offers "only" 64 note polyphony
when using Z-Plane filters of 6 poles or less and 32
notes for the more complex 12 pole Z-plane filters. 
It also introduced the BPM-based LFOs and envelopes
into the Proteus family as well as bringing over the
patch cord architecture from the EOS samplers. It has
six analog outputs and a S/PDIF coax out.

ROM-wise the original Audity 2K had its own sound set
which was unique then to the Proteus line. However
many thought it was too specialized and Emu offered an
upgrade, coincident with a new mother board update
that added Flash-based OS updates, which brought to
the Audity 2K the entire instrument files
(multisamples) that were once part of the original
Orbit and Planet Phatt modules. This was called the
"Extreme Upgrade". I mention this because IMHO the
Audity 2K without this upgrade is not nearly as
useable.  Not because of the ROM sounds (which are
very useful) but because the mother board upgrade
allowed the introduction of the special 64 voice
polyphony mode mentioned above. Without the upgrade
your Audity 2K is "stuck" at 32 voice polyphony.

Emu introduced shortly after the Extreme upgrade the
XL-1 member of the Proteus 2K family. This was
essentially an Audity 2K with the Extreme upgrade, but
with reduced output options (no digital out and only
stereo outs).  It was part of the "half Proteus 2K"
family where Emu reduced polyphony and separate outs
from the P2K family to lower costs.  There was an
upgrade path to a Turbo model.  Some turbo XL-1's were
also sold.  The turbo model doubled polyphony to 128
voices (64 for 12 pole Z-plane filters)and added a
second MIDI input for 32 channel multitimbral
operation, just like the Proteus 2K. Since the turbo
upgrade not only added the extra output options,
doubled multitimbral channels and also the polyphony
it was in many ways like two Audity 2K's in the same
box.  Also added was the so-called "Super Beats" mode
which is a way of controlling drum grooves in
real-time, brought over from the Planet Phatt model.

Why this digression about the XL-1?  Because XL-1's,
especially the Turbo model are next generation Audity
2K's and are a better purchase than a Audity 2K
without the Extreme upgrade.  XL-1's can be found
sometimes cheaper than Audity 2K's.

The Command Stations, the XL-7, the MP-7, and the
P2500 are all based on identical HW motherboards with
the differences in external control features and ROM
cards being the model differentiation.  The XL-7 comes
standard with the XL-1's sound ROM, though it has
different included presets.  If you look at the
multisamples included with the XL-7 and compare them
against the Audity 2K with the Extreme upgrade they
are identical.

The XL-7 is in every way a superior sound module to
the Audity 2K.  It *is* two Audity 2K's in the same
box with 32 channel multitimbral operation, 128 note
polyphony (64 for 12 pole Z-plane filters), has 32
arpeggiators, six analog outs, digital outs, Super
Beats mode.  Ignoring the sequencer, pressure
sensitive drum pads and 16 control knobs it is still
superior in very respect to the Audity 2K.  The patch
cord architecture and BPM LFO/envelopes are still
available.  There is no missing features, no
"downgrades".

The P2500 is the same as the XL-7 but it is mainly for
rack-mounted use and does not have the pressure
sensitive drum pads nor the ribbon controller. Its
included sound ROM is very much geared toward
main-stream pop production offering a wide range of
different instrument types.  it does not contain the
wealth of synthesizer and drum kits targeted for
e-music production that the Audity 2K (Extreme
upgrade) XL-1, or XL-7 has.

All of the Command stations can accept up to four 32MB
sound ROMS. You can add to a P2500 an XL-1 sound ROM
and have the same multisamples as the XL-7, with of
course the extra "Pop" ROM's.  Likewise you can add
the "Pop" ROM to the XL-7.

Another Proteus module worth considering is the Orbit
3 model.  This is a more standard Proteus one-rack
space module but with the same specs as the
XL-7/P2500.  It comes with two 32MB ROMs included,
both by Dutch sound Designer Rob Pappen, and can
accept two additional sound ROMs. And the XL-1 ROM
and...

Personally even at $299 I do not believe that the
Audity 2K is a good buy because you really need to
upgrade it to the Extreme status to gain the needed OS
improvements. When this upgrade was introduced two
years ago Emu offered it for a special price of $150
but I doubt it is that cheap today,if indeed it is
even available.  Be aware that the upgrade requires
sending the Audity 2K back to Emu as it must be done
at the factory.

The XL-1 is a fine replacement for the Audity 2K with
few missing features(only the lack of extra output
options).  The Command Stations are all excellent buys
IMO.  P2500 are not commonly offered used but I have
seen XL-7's for below $550 used.  You can rack mount a
XL-7 or MP-7 if desired with a $30 uption from Emu.

Sorry to carry on about all of this.  I think the
newest Proteus modules are quite exciting. The Audity
2K was a wonderful module for its day but I believe
the newer modules just offer too much more.

drk

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>>..........who's into following suit?

At the top of my list:

www.metasynth.com

this is in the non-realtime realm (and Mac only). Take all the resultant
sounds (of equal or even multiples of each other, lengthwise), coupled
with Live

www.ableton.com


yields enormous and unprecedented sound sculping and arranging
possibilities.


Full circle:

Resynthesize (and/or use the dozens of tools for shaping) a sound or
phrase you played or drew in Metasynth. Save a bunch of variations
(please read the website, hear the demos, including the recent
Metasynthia 3, which I have a selection on) at

 http://homepage.mac.com/glenbledsoe/MetaSynthia/


Load them in Live. Mix your phrases with other loops (homegrown or
sample CD). Record/Play in fresh material on your acoustic / electric
instrument. Mix and match. Full circle.

Neil
 


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On Sun, 02 Feb 2003 16:46:30 -0800, "Richard Zvonar" <zvonar@zvonar.com>
said:
> Looping patterns and processes are often found in the non-musical 
> arts. Repeating  patterns are most obvious in the visual arts, 

Speaking of which, did anyone see Kylie's last video?  The one where she
keeps walking around the block, but each time she goes around, the
previous Kylie(s) reappear; so by the end you have like 5 or six Kylies
walking around and all the while the scenes on the background keep on
like normal.  i thought it was a pretty cool exmple of visual looping.
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Hi gang, I don't recall whether anyone has talked about this
really wonderful looping software, but I have been using it
in conjunction with my brand new EDP with LOOP 4 software (don't
start me gushing about this one) in the last couple of days
and I am getting some amazing results.

It is a PC only (sorry my good mac friends) program which allows
you to take any .wav file and chop it into any number of exact length
increments (from 1 to 16).

This is a phenomenal way to take 'pad' like loops and turn them into
rhythmic 'bubbles' for groove purposes.

This is just the beginning:

You can apply short noise gates to any of the individual increments to
create rhythmic stutter effects.

You can then turn any of these individual steps on or off (creating
syncopated patterns).

Then you can apply a random function which will randomly shuffle the
individual 'slices'.

Say you have a rhythmic guitar loop using a particular chord.   Randomizing
the slices
can create some really funky variations.  Sometimes I just keep hitting the
randomize button until something really funky comes up.

You now have a picture of the original sliced up .wav on top and your new
randomize sliced up .wav on the bottom.

If you want to rearrange the new slices manually you can take any slice and
place it in a different place in the new sliced loop (including using the
same slice over and over if you want)

Now you can make any slice be played forward or reversed or you can use
another random function to randomly change the relationship of each of the
slices.


OKAY,  now we have a cool new funky rhythm .wav:

you can now add panning, resonance, filter cut-off to any individualy slice
or globally and every time you dig the way you've mangled the loop you can
save it as a preset for future mangling of new loops.

The loops you have created can now be placed in a mixer.........this is an
awesome way
to take the same loop and mangle it and resonate it in different ways:  play
it in real time and then record the results into a sound editor like Sound
Forge or Cool Edit Pro
in real time.

It creates awesome real time and very organic sounding rhythmic tracks that
most people would be hard pressed to figure out how you made them.

Add to this some different softsynths and sequencer functions and a little
drum machine
and this program just rocks!!!!!!!!

It can be had from

WWW.BRAMBOS.COM

for the low price of $35 for the shareware version.

Check it out,  I love it.

yours, Rick Walker


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This sounds pretty exciting. I'm a registered user of version 1 and even
with its more limited capabilities it has served me well over the past
year. Great code (and I'm also no way affiliated with this BramBos).

Scott

"Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" wrote:
> 
> Hi gang, I don't recall whether anyone has talked about this
> really wonderful looping software, but I have been using it
> in conjunction with my brand new EDP with LOOP 4 software (don't
> start me gushing about this one) in the last couple of days
> and I am getting some amazing results.
> 
> It is a PC only (sorry my good mac friends) program which allows
> you to take any .wav file and chop it into any number of exact length
> increments (from 1 to 16).
> 
> This is a phenomenal way to take 'pad' like loops and turn them into
> rhythmic 'bubbles' for groove purposes.
> 
> This is just the beginning:
> 
> You can apply short noise gates to any of the individual increments to
> create rhythmic stutter effects.
> 
> You can then turn any of these individual steps on or off (creating
> syncopated patterns).
> 
> Then you can apply a random function which will randomly shuffle the
> individual 'slices'.
> 
> Say you have a rhythmic guitar loop using a particular chord.   Randomizing
> the slices
> can create some really funky variations.  Sometimes I just keep hitting the
> randomize button until something really funky comes up.
> 
> You now have a picture of the original sliced up .wav on top and your new
> randomize sliced up .wav on the bottom.
> 
> If you want to rearrange the new slices manually you can take any slice and
> place it in a different place in the new sliced loop (including using the
> same slice over and over if you want)
> 
> Now you can make any slice be played forward or reversed or you can use
> another random function to randomly change the relationship of each of the
> slices.
> 
> OKAY,  now we have a cool new funky rhythm .wav:
> 
> you can now add panning, resonance, filter cut-off to any individualy slice
> or globally and every time you dig the way you've mangled the loop you can
> save it as a preset for future mangling of new loops.
> 
> The loops you have created can now be placed in a mixer.........this is an
> awesome way
> to take the same loop and mangle it and resonate it in different ways:  play
> it in real time and then record the results into a sound editor like Sound
> Forge or Cool Edit Pro
> in real time.
> 
> It creates awesome real time and very organic sounding rhythmic tracks that
> most people would be hard pressed to figure out how you made them.
> 
> Add to this some different softsynths and sequencer functions and a little
> drum machine
> and this program just rocks!!!!!!!!
> 
> It can be had from
> 
> WWW.BRAMBOS.COM
> 
> for the low price of $35 for the shareware version.
> 
> Check it out,  I love it.
> 
> yours, Rick Walker

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> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> Frεn: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL [mailto:GLOBAL@cruzio.com] 
> Δmne: Tu2: looping software for PC: a rave review from a NON-endorsee>

> 
> Hi gang, I don't recall whether anyone has talked about this 
> really wonderful looping software, but I have been using it 
> in conjunction with my brand new EDP with LOOP 4 software 


Interesting :-)  Just one question: can Tu2 be conttrolled by external
midi? Is it worth presenting Tu2 to my dearest friend FCB1010? Will they
mate?

The "slice randomizer" appears nice! Can you open five instances of Tu2
and have them "jam" together? With the rendomizer this could create some
interesting random music (or should it be called "musical
installation"?)

Best wishes

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>Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 19:44:52 -0800
>From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" <GLOBAL@cruzio.com>
>Subject: WIERD SOUND DESIGN for looping
>
>Hi gang,
>I'm in love with sound design, from manipulating found sounds to using
>computers and
>effects processors and stomp boxes to mangle sounds.  Whenever there are
>those
>100 tips for sound design articles in Electronic Musician or Future Music or
>Keyboard magazine I just eat that shit up  (by the way, the excellent
>british mag, Future Music just had it's 10th anniversary issue with a whole
>bunch of best of lists in it........go check it out).

Future music... aren't they the ones who just admitted that they ripped off 
almost hundreds of reviews from Sound on Sound over the years recently ?
See their site for more info ;)

</daviD>

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> Personally even at $299 I do not believe that the
> Audity 2K is a good buy because you really need to
> upgrade it to the Extreme status to gain the needed OS
> improvements.

I have to disagree here, being a A2k owner. I don't have the Extreme
upgrade, but without, the unit is a fantasic sounding and flexable machine.
It's certainly got the most "balls" in my studio, beating the Trinity,
K2500, Supernova and Morpheus.

Mark.


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> Frεn: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL
> ..........who's into following suit?

Ok, here's another trick:

I took an electric solid body guitar and a tiny rehearsal amp, the
Marshall stack designed about the sice of two cigarette packages. Then I
glued the amp to the guitar body with tight GAFFA TAPE and plugged in.
The result was a sharp loaded feedback machine. Now, the cool thing is
that it screams as soon as you open up a little by the guitars volume
pot and by tweaking the tone control you can alter the pitch. A
complementery playing technique is to toggle the pickup chooser back and
forth. I think it's fun to play a guitar this way without ever touching
the strings ;-) 

If you have the flash plug-in, here's a video from a gig where this
instrument was used: 
http://www.boysen.se/kitchenensemble/tellus.html  

Best wishes

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> I just switched over from mp3s to OGGs since im pro-open 
> source, One thing I'm wondering is if there is a OGG upload 
> site like there is mp3.com.....
> 
> does anyone know?
> 
> -Kris


Have not heard of any dedicated "OGG.com" upload page, or similar.
Someone else? But isn't the great thing with OGG that this format is
compatible with almost any software or hardware that can handle normal
mp3 files? So if you like the idea of open source it would be logical to
just keep on posting ogg files at mp3 sites, thus "infecting" the system
from the inside. 

For the record:
The mp3 format is partially owned by some companies that might charge
you for using their format. Ogg was created to help free communication
of sound files over the Internet. (sorry for the too short description.
More info is to be found at http://www.ogg.org/ )

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I agree with Mark. If the A2K were one's only synth module, then it would
make sense to look elsewhere. Having said that, the A2K still would be an
excellent tool for almost anyone.

I personally only use a couple of arpeggiators so the A2K is adequate for
me. I still have to say that comparing it to the XL-7 is somewhat uneven as
the Xl-7 goes for $699.

I did appreciate the in-depth review of the Proteus modules, et al. In fact,
it made me want to seriously consider getting an XL-7 as I do like the A2K
so much.

Regards, Paul
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> > Personally even at $299 I do not believe that the
> > Audity 2K is a good buy because you really need to
> > upgrade it to the Extreme status to gain the needed OS
> > improvements.
>
> I have to disagree here, being a A2k owner. I don't have the Extreme
> upgrade, but without, the unit is a fantasic sounding and flexable
machine.
> It's certainly got the most "balls" in my studio, beating the Trinity,
> K2500, Supernova and Morpheus.
>
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--- "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" <GLOBAL@cruzio.com> wrote:
> Would anyone be into contributing some of their
> favorite idiosyncratic
> techniques for
> looping sounds and designing sounds to loop?  I'd
> personally love such a
> thread.

I remember one very similar to that from early '99
called something like "Things We Loop"; I posted a
description of "playing" a wire chimney brush...

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In basic mathematics, multiplication is a form of sampling (this, plus this
again, plus this again, plus this again...) while a process such as the
Fibonacci series is a form of looping. (1+1=2, 2+1=3, 3+2=5, 5+3+8, etc.) I
find it interesting that sampling/multiplication generates "linear" results,
while the looping process generates "curved" results. Any other examples of
mathematical sampling vs. looping?

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 >> I have an A2000 and it is one of my favourite synth. You can certainly get bizaare sounds out of it. Beware though, the 16 meg (or is it 8) rom upgrade is virtually extinct, and look out for prices of the Emu Extreme Lead which has the soundset of the A2000 built in, but can take the newer Emu Rom cards. << 
 
we've been using one of these for a bit over a year now. one of the great things about it is the custom tuning scales, allowing the building of patches that only contain the notes for a certain key, so that the thing only plays (say) Cminor whatever enters it by way of midi instruction. this makes it ideal for live use with any of the hardware analogue sequencers like the doepfer maq and so forth. another great thing, which it inherited from it's ancient namesake, is the sheer number of modulation possibilities. I only wish that there was a decent software editor for it as the front panel programming is like painting one's hallway through the mailbox. it's labour-intensive but the results are as good as we can get from the analogue synths we used to use, and it's much smaller.
 
regarding the expansion card- E-mu stopped production of them because the same sound set had become available in the x-treme lead. they told me that the audity represented an r&d stepping stone and that the newer products were vastly improved and more stable. I called this absolute arse behaviour, and gave them some grief about early adopters being shafted by big businesses, and they eventually relented and "found" around 15 more boards. (it CAN'T take the newer emu boards, despite what their website says; the processor can't address that much memory and the file structure is different; you would need to buy the x-treme or another new box to do this, but see below).
 
I was sworn to secrecy until I took delivery of mine (halfway through a tour last year...) at which point I was able to announce to the user group on yahoo that there was a slim chance that this board was available in small quantities.
let me tell you, it is well worth it. it transforms the audity into a total beast. other folks who've been able to compare the expanded original with the x-treme say it is much fatter sounding and more stable. I would not be parted from mine for anything.
 
btw- loved the birotron anecdote; I will be forwarding that to the mellotron list as a former birotron manufacturer is on the 'tron list.
 
duncan/r.m.i. 
 
 


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<DIV><SPAN class=490244801-03022003><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT 
size=2><SPAN class=099034014-03022003>&nbsp;&gt;&gt;&nbsp;</SPAN>I have an A2000 
and it is one of my favourite synth. You can certainly get bizaare sounds out of 
it. Beware though, the 16 meg (or is it 8) rom upgrade is virtually extinct, and 
look out for prices of the Emu Extreme Lead which has the soundset of the A2000 
built in, but can take the newer Emu Rom cards.<SPAN 
class=099034014-03022003>&nbsp;&lt;&lt;&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=490244801-03022003><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT 
size=2><SPAN 
class=099034014-03022003></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=490244801-03022003><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT 
size=2><SPAN class=099034014-03022003>we've been using one of these for a bit 
over a year now. one of the great things about it is the custom tuning scales, 
allowing the building of patches that only contain the notes for a certain key, 
so that the thing only plays (say) Cminor whatever enters it by way of midi 
instruction. this makes it ideal for live use with any of the hardware analogue 
sequencers like the doepfer maq and so forth. another great thing, which it 
inherited from it's ancient namesake, is the sheer number of modulation 
possibilities. I only wish that there was a decent software editor for it as the 
front panel programming is like painting one's hallway through the mailbox. it's 
labour-intensive but the results are as good as we can get from the analogue 
synths we used to use, and it's much 
smaller.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=490244801-03022003><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT 
size=2><SPAN 
class=099034014-03022003></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=490244801-03022003><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT 
size=2><SPAN class=099034014-03022003>regarding the expansion card- E-mu stopped 
production of them because the same sound set had become available in the 
x-treme lead. they told me that the audity represented an r&amp;d stepping stone 
and that the newer products were vastly improved and more stable. I called this 
absolute arse behaviour, and gave them some grief about early adopters being 
shafted by big businesses, and they eventually relented and "found" around 15 
more boards. (it CAN'T take the newer emu boards, despite what their website 
says; the processor can't address that much memory and the file structure is 
different; you would need to buy the x-treme or another new box to do this, but 
see below).</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=490244801-03022003><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT 
size=2><SPAN 
class=099034014-03022003></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=490244801-03022003><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT 
size=2><SPAN class=099034014-03022003>I was sworn to secrecy until I took 
delivery of mine (halfway through a tour last year...) at which point I was able 
to announce to the user group on yahoo that there was a slim chance that this 
board was available in small 
quantities.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=490244801-03022003><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT 
size=2><SPAN class=099034014-03022003>let me tell you, it is well worth it. it 
transforms the audity into a total beast. other folks who've been able to 
compare the expanded original with the x-treme say it is much fatter sounding 
and more stable. I would not be parted from mine for 
anything.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=490244801-03022003><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT 
size=2><SPAN 
class=099034014-03022003></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=490244801-03022003><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT 
size=2><SPAN class=099034014-03022003>btw- loved the birotron anecdote; I will 
be forwarding that to the mellotron list as a former birotron manufacturer is on 
the 'tron list.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=490244801-03022003><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT 
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<DIV><SPAN class=490244801-03022003><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT 
size=2><SPAN 
class=099034014-03022003>duncan/r.m.i.&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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i remember reading the david torn review of his electrix repeater on h-c.com
after someone had posted a review on harmony central really trashing
the repeater. dt pointed out it's advantages, uses etc, and said
something to the effect: w/ more reviews like this, this product
could be discontinued soon, and you'll see them popping up on ebay
at 1000$ +. never thought i'd be seeing that happen.
w/ the e-h 16 sec delay at 1600$
the repeater at (almost) 1000$
guess, i'll stick w/ my 120$ dod d12.
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other ex. i've thought of/or came across recently: in star wars I, 
the sound of the junk dealer' wings moving was the sound of an 
umbrella opening and closing, they just looped it and sped it up. my 
brother and i alwasy joke about the "time loop episode" from star 
trek the next generation, where it starts w/ crew playing poker, and 
ends w/ ship crashing in to an old ship in a loop. kelsy grammar 
played the older ships capt. other loop examples i've seen. the one's 
below are quite good though....
other ex. in visual arts are some known painters "mature works" 
basically one visual theme repeated over and over for the rest of 
their life (k. noland, diebenkorn, etc)...obviously w/ some 
variation, but for the most part the basic form is the same....
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>A few films I can think of in that connection are "Rashomon," "Run 
>Lola Run," "Memento," and "Groundhog Day."


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my son (2 yrs old) has a ton of toy guitars that various relatives 
have bought for him in the past year. they are fun to "play" in to 
pickups of my
guitar and then loop, manipulate (most have varous li'l melodies from 
songs etc). i haven't recorded any of it yet, just experimented, but 
it's fun.
the best one is this tiny li'l sesame street guitar that has a pitch 
control and a whammy bar. w/ the pitch control you can make li'l 
strange sliding melodies, etc (of all of them, it's one that's 
actually an instrument in a strange li'l toy way....)
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>
> Speaking of which, did anyone see Kylie's last video?  The one where she
> keeps walking around the block, but each time she goes around, the
> previous Kylie(s) reappear; so by the end you have like 5 or six Kylies
> walking around and all the while the scenes on the background keep on
> like normal.

Keep your eyes on the background - I found it pretty UN-normal, and very
dense. A video worth multiple views!
dB, coyote

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>>Personally even at $299 I do not believe that the
Audity 2K is a good buy because you really need to
upgrade it to the Extreme status to gain the needed OS
improvements. When this upgrade was introduced two
years ago Emu offered it for a special price of $150
but I doubt it is that cheap today,if indeed it is
even available.  Be aware that the upgrade requires
sending the Audity 2K back to Emu as it must be done
at the factory.<<

hmm.... well, first, many apologies for returning to this way-off-topic-thr=
ead, but this simply isn't true. my a2k, an end-of-line bargain, was (in my=
 view) well worth the =A3400-some I paid for it and already had the latest =
software/firmware/whatever needed to support the 32/64 voice polyphony by d=
istributing hardware resources according to what filter types were selected=
.=20
the upgrade board was rom sounds only and had no effect on the operating sy=
stem, but even an unexpanded audity represents a potential bargain for anyo=
ne looking for a huge range of analogue synth sounds with more modulation p=
ermutations than you can throw big sticks at, 4 stereo pairs, built in effe=
cts, full midi control over as many parameters as you want.... all in a 1U =
box. the expansion rom has doubled it's value for me. use it with a drehban=
k or a couple of pocket controllers and it becomes a huge multitimbral modu=
lar synth.
and I'm pretty sure that the original (32>64 + more filter types) software =
upgrade was possible using sysex. perhaps dr k is referring to a much earli=
er version of the same box when he describes the motherboard update require=
d- in any case, buyers should check the software version.

in short, e-mu aren't interested in supporting the audity in any form unles=
s you make a nuisance of yourself, like I did. but at a fraction of it's or=
iginal price and with the cost of "real" analogue synths still crazy, even =
an unexpanded and unenhanced a2k is worth a listen. mark "mad fiddler" is r=
ight- it beats the supernova for sound and versatility, + it takes up less =
room and doesn't spaz out when you connect a qy70 to it. (you can't reassig=
n controller numbers in either of the latter). I don't even use the arpeggi=
ators...

duncan/r.m.i.


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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&gt;Personally even at $299 I do not believe that the=
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Audity 2K is a good buy because you really need to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>upgrade it to the Extreme status to gain the needed OS</=
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>improvements. When this upgrade was introduced two</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>years ago Emu offered it for a special price of $150</FO=
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>but I doubt it is that cheap today,if indeed it is</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>at the factory.&lt;&lt;</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>hmm.... well, first, many apologies for returning to this=
 way-off-topic-thread, but this simply isn't true. my a2k, an end-of-line b=
argain, was (in my view) well worth the =A3400-some I paid for it and alrea=
dy had the latest software/firmware/whatever needed to support the 32/64 vo=
ice polyphony by distributing hardware resources according to what filter t=
ypes were selected. </FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>the upgrade board was rom sounds only and had no effect o=
n the operating system, but even an unexpanded audity represents a potentia=
l bargain for anyone looking for a huge range of analogue synth sounds with=
 more modulation permutations than you can throw big sticks at, 4 stereo pa=
irs, built in effects, full midi control over as many parameters as you wan=
t.... all in a 1U box. the expansion rom has doubled it's value for me. use=
 it with a drehbank or a couple of pocket controllers and it becomes a huge=
 multitimbral modular synth.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>and I'm pretty sure that the original (32&gt;64 + more fi=
lter types) software upgrade was possible using sysex. perhaps dr k is refe=
rring to a much earlier version of the same box when he describes the mothe=
rboard update required- in any case, buyers should check the software versi=
on.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>in short, e-mu aren't interested in supporting the audity=
 in any form unless you make a nuisance of yourself, like I did. but at a f=
raction of it's original price and with the cost of &quot;real&quot; analog=
ue synths still crazy, even an unexpanded and unenhanced a2k is worth a lis=
ten. mark &quot;mad fiddler&quot; is right- it beats the supernova for soun=
d and versatility, + it takes up less room and doesn't spaz out when you co=
nnect a qy70 to it. (you can't reassign controller numbers in either of the=
 latter). I don't even use the arpeggiators...</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>duncan/r.m.i.</FONT>
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>...
> my brother and i alwasy joke about the "time loop episode" from star 
> trek the next generation, where it starts w/ crew playing poker, and 
> ends w/ ship crashing in to an old ship in a loop. 
...
> 
> >A few films I can think of in that connection are "Rashomon," "Run
> >Lola Run," "Memento," and "Groundhog Day."
> 

nothing's gonna beat "land of the lost"
a whole season of high quality looping.
"daddy, daddy, nooooooooooo..."


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I have an ART X-15 that I 'm intersted in trading for a Digitech space
station(even trade) or a DL-4(plus some cash)
Anybody intersted??

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Hello everyone.  I'm new to the list here and just had a quick question:

I have been trying to save up to acquire an Echoplex Digital Pro and now =
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Plus =
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-- than the older, cream-colored units.  What is it about it that makes =
it "Plus?"  Also, will the LoopIV software still install on these?  Or =
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And, finally, does anybody know a place to buy an EDP that costs less =
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What is the name of this song?  I found a site (MTV) with some of her videos
but don't want to download/view the wrong one.
Gary


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At 03:22 AM 1/31/2003, geoff smith wrote:
>So the question I am asking is should I buy the repeater or wait 2weeks 
>and buy radial,
>Just how incredible is the Repeater???  Is it good live???
>
>Just how incredible is Radial???? (unfortunately no demo or downloads of 
>this program yet)
>Is the feeling that this software will eclipse all looping hardware when 
>it is released????

One thing to note about Radial, it has no "Record" or "Overdub" function. 
You can't record a loop into it from scratch, or add new material that you 
play while it is playing something back. It only works with pre-recorded 
samples. I would describe Radial as a live remixing tool, not a looper in 
the way we use that word here. Radial has very little in common with the 
Repeater, and even less with the Echoplex. It is much more like Ableton's 
Live, although with a different enough user interface that it will likely 
lead people in different directions.

As always, you need to figure out what you want to do, and find the device 
that most nearly does that. Most of the looping tools available are unique 
in their own way, and you won't find one that easily replaces another.

kim


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http://www.musiccdsettlement.com/english/default.htm

I bet everyone on this list is eligible for a check.
Gary

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i think the only differences are aesthetics and the fact that loopIV =
comes installed in the EDP+.  i agree that 850 is pretty pricey.  =
personally, i use a pair of blonde edps and i have no desire whatsoever =
to upgrade to the black. =20

alto music is selling off the rest of their blondes.  you can pick this =
one up for under 700, including footpedal and shipping.  not a bad deal!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D2505674196&category=3D=
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-jim

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> in conjunction with my brand new EDP with LOOP 4 software (don't
>  start me gushing about this one) in the last couple of days
>  and I am getting some amazing results.
>  
>  It is a PC only (sorry my good mac friends) program which allows
>  you to take any .wav file and chop it into any number of exact length
>  increments (from 1 to 16).
>

hi Rick,
so take your Loop4 EDP
Quant=8th
8th/cycle= 8
InsertMode=Replace
and tap in a one second loop.

while playing/singing  sustained notes
hit insert (=replace) very briefly
(in a dotted quarter note rhythm is good)
but repeatedly until the 
instant groove appears 
, along the same lines as
the 16th of a wav chopping effect you just described

of course it doesn't have to be 1s loop,
or 8x8th notes, that's just a suggestion to show the effect.

enjoy

andy butler 
   

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another 1u mixer from the Germans
this one seems to have a stereo FX send.  


<A HREF="http://www.vermona.com/en/produkte/rmix/rm82info.html">Click here: 
HDB audio RackMix82e</A> 

they also do some interesting looking FX 

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There's a short but interesting editorial on the settlement at:
http://mail.projekt.com/Lists/projektlist/Message/87.html


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>http://www.musiccdsettlement.com/english/default.htm
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>I bet everyone on this list is eligible for a check.
>Gary

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Interesting--good going Sean--
Too late for me, as I have already signed up.
I see this page also has the words for the Popular singalong, "If you cannot
find Osama, Bomb Iraq".
One of my favorites--
I could loop it!
Gary

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There's a short but interesting editorial on the settlement at:
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>I bet everyone on this list is eligible for a check.
>Gary



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Hello loopaz...

This one is geared at all of you EQ and tone freaks
out there (like myself).  I have a bass that has a
wonderful slap sound, but the fingerstyle sound leaves
a bit to be desired in the Midrange band.  I'm
hesitant to alter anything on the bass in fear of
losing its truly unique slap sound so I'm thinking a
moderately priced solution could be to grab some sort
of EQ pedal or preamp that has really nice, vibrant,
warm mids.

Any thoughts on what I should check out.  It would be
optimum for this device to give me full EQ control and
a bit of a volume boost when needed, but I'm primarily
concerned with a solid midrange.

Any and all help is very appreciated!

Peace and bass...
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I once setup an fx patch that had a 4-pole phaser circuit which fedback into
a delay line which fed back into the phaser circuit.  I took a phone off the
hook and held the speaker up to mic, turning the handset side to side and
moving it nearer/farther from the mic.  Sounded very interesting to me ...
fwiw.  But watch the feedback levels ...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL [mailto:GLOBAL@cruzio.com]
> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 10:45 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: WIERD SOUND DESIGN for looping
>
>
> Hi gang,
> I'm in love with sound design, from manipulating found sounds to using
> computers and
> effects processors and stomp boxes to mangle sounds.
> Whenever there are
> those
> 100 tips for sound design articles in Electronic Musician or
> Future Music or
> Keyboard magazine I just eat that shit up  (by the way, the excellent
> british mag, Future Music just had it's 10th anniversary
> issue with a whole
> bunch of best of lists in it........go check it out).
>
> Would anyone be into contributing some of their favorite idiosyncratic
> techniques for
> looping sounds and designing sounds to loop?  I'd personally
> love such a
> thread.
>
>
> In that spirit I just discovered some cool shit today and
> thought I'd like
> to share it
> with you all:
>
>
>  I just bought the coolest thing today.......it is a little
> dayglo green
> plastic
> 'rock star' headset mic and plastic speak amplifier that I bought at
> CLAIRE's which is
> a young teen age girls accesorie shop in the local mall  (I
> seem to get half
> of my
> plastic found sound musical stuff at shops like
> these............making very
> sure that
> I make eye contact with no young pubescesnt girls lest they think this
> purple haired
> middled aged man is a freak....................LMAO).   All
> the young women
> who work in these stores know me by now and actually save
> stuff for me that
> they think I will like.
> It's pretty cool.
>
> Anyway, this little plastic toy amplifier with a tiny headset
> mic  cost $10
> (US) and is surprisingly loud and, of course, really low fi.
> It is also
> really prone to feedback.
>
>  It is so prone to feedback that I started singing through
> it, covering the
> teeny
> 2" speaker with my hand and systematically (and rhythmically)
> taking it off
> partially.
> In this way I could control (like a human noise gate) a
> couple of bands of
> feedback (hand completely covering the speaker will cut the feedback
> instantly).
>
> I then sang a little falsetto ditty in 7/8 into it and
> recorded it into
> Sound Forge.
>
> I then opened up KANTOS as a plugin (which is this incredible
> new soft synth
> made by
> Antares---they of Autotune fame----which is controlled by
> audio tracks NOT
> midi.
>
> It analyses the sound coming in (in this case my wierd little
> feedbacked 7/8
> vocal thing)
> and then you can control resultant synthesizer's pitch with
> the waveform.
>
> I love 'what's wrong with this picture' sounds so I chose
> voice simulation
> synth patches
> to drive with this vocal thingee and the results sound like
> Psychedelic
> Pygmies.
>
> Wow, If I only had KANTOS as a real time processor, I'd never
> take another
> keyboard to a gig again.........with the wind synth control
> of the Repeater
> loops and the ability to control a synth with your singing or melodic
> playing............woooohooooo.
>
> Okee dokee,  that's my WIERD SOUND DESIGN for looping tip of the
> day.........
>
> ..........who's into following suit?
>
> yours,  Rick Walker (loop.pool)
> www.looppool.info
>

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I can't help but be curious to see if I could raise a better version of my self
than my parents could.

Matthias Grob wrote:

>
> - Life with cloning

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(Good thread, Rick!)

Here's one I posted quite some time ago, but I'll repeat it anyway (this
being a looping discussion).

Place an AM/FM radio next to your EDP and adjust the band and tuning until
you are hearing the EDP's internal signals.  You can tell this when you
frobnicate the EDP's controls (RECORD, OVERDUB, MULTIPLE, etc) and the
sounds change.  Generally there are lots of radio tunings that will work,
all producing different sounds.  (Other digital equipment such
reverbs/delays/etc work as a source of "noise" too.)  Loop the radio into
the EDP.  Rinse, repeat as necessary.

Dennis Leas
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Sorry, Per.

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Ok guys, 

Here's another one...

I took my cell phone and called up my office phone in the same room. To
answer the office phone I switched on the built in loud speaker. This
immediately electrified the air waves. By jumping around and waving the
cell phone I could get different pitches out of the feedback inferno.
Next project is to record and loop it ;-)

Best wishes

Per Boysen
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> Place an AM/FM radio next to your EDP and adjust the band and tuning until
> you are hearing the EDP's internal signals.  You can tell this when you
> frobnicate the EDP's controls (RECORD, OVERDUB, MULTIPLE, etc) and the
> sounds change.  Generally there are lots of radio tunings that will work,
> all producing different sounds.  (Other digital equipment such
> reverbs/delays/etc work as a source of "noise" too.)  Loop the radio into

AHA!!, here's the first really good reason I've heard that the blonde EDPs
are might really better because they're vintage...

time to go out and get a new one and sell my old vintage one for $2000 on
EBAY, YEAH BABY!!!!
Jon

ps. the EDP plus was supposed to be redesigned to meet CE certification,
with one goal being to reduce RF emission, right?

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In my guitar setup, I always have a very small, battery-powered amp on a stool
to my left.  When I press my headstock up against it, it generates a great
low-range, humming feedback at the lowest fundamental, very different from
typical high-gain feedback (it's fun in combination with that through my main
amp, too). I'm sure everyone who plays guitar has discovered the amazing
resonance possible by leaning the guitar into a wall, a piano, a doorjamb,
etc...this gives a similiar kind of vibe.  I find it a great way to get infinite
sustain from a clean guitar sound, or to keep things going with my left hand
while my right tweaks my delays & four-tracks.

Thanks for the cassette looping tips, sorry not to respond over my weekend out
of town.  I guess the definite answer I got is that I'd have to add another head
to be able to monitor playback whilst recording, which I may try to do.  The
reason I'm sticking with cassette, as opposed to reel-to-reels, is that they're
eminently portable, cheap, and lowfi, plus the built-in mixers and eq's make
them instrument-like in their own right.  I didn't realize that Mini-Disk's had
looping capabilities, but if I wanted digital looping, I'd probably stick with
my Zoom 2100.  I'm an analog fiend! And a cheapskate!

In response to a question from Tim, yes, I use answering machine cassettes, for
the longer (30 sec, 60 sec) loops.  I've been constructing my own for short
ones, wrapping it around various poles inside the cassette case; I can get about
an 8-sec loop this way (at reg speed).  I also like wrinkling and abusing the
tape itself, it yields fantastically gnarly sounds.  I've also made some where I
route the tape without passing near the erase head, so I get the sound-on-sound
effect without having to mod the machine.

thanks much all!

Daryl Shawn
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per--

nice piece of music, and I loved your animation-- put a smile on my face.


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on 2/3/03 5:16 AM, Per Boysen at per@boysen.se wrote:

> Fr=E5n: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL
> ..........who's into following suit?

Ok, here's another trick:

I took an electric solid body guitar and a tiny rehearsal amp, the
Marshall stack designed about the sice of two cigarette packages. Then I
glued the amp to the guitar body with tight GAFFA TAPE and plugged in.
The result was a sharp loaded feedback machine. Now, the cool thing is
that it screams as soon as you open up a little by the guitars volume
pot and by tweaking the tone control you can alter the pitch. A
complementery playing technique is to toggle the pickup chooser back and
forth. I think it's fun to play a guitar this way without ever touching
the strings ;-)=20

If you have the flash plug-in, here's a video from a gig where this
instrument was used:
http://www.boysen.se/kitchenensemble/tellus.html

Best wishes

Per Boysen
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What kind of bass/electronics/pickups?

I had an MTD that was very midrangy and slap friendly (although very
adjustable) that i got rid of ....I prefer to use my Lakland for my current
situation (live electronica, drum'n bass, ambient loopiness) ... not much
slapping though, but it had a good slap tone if needed. FWIW, the Lakland
has amazing range of tones available even though the MTD had a that handy
3-position midrange selection switch for boost/cut.

I was thinking of checking out that Boss EQ pedal since it provides the
ability to save a few settings:
http://www.bossus.com/index.asp?pg=1&tmp=96

I'm still searching on how to get that deep sub-bass analog gated wave sound
out of my electric bass ... I've tried EQs, Lovetone Meatball, octave
pedals, Ibanez AW7 Auto-Wha/Synth, and a Frostwave Resonant Filter ... still
not there yet ... Tim Lefebvre can get a great emulation of this sound with
his set-up on the Boomish and Droid material ... not sure how he gets it
though.


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> Hello loopaz...
>
> This one is geared at all of you EQ and tone freaks
> out there (like myself).  I have a bass that has a
> wonderful slap sound, but the fingerstyle sound leaves
> a bit to be desired in the Midrange band.  I'm
> hesitant to alter anything on the bass in fear of
> losing its truly unique slap sound so I'm thinking a
> moderately priced solution could be to grab some sort
> of EQ pedal or preamp that has really nice, vibrant,
> warm mids.
>
> Any thoughts on what I should check out.  It would be
> optimum for this device to give me full EQ control and
> a bit of a volume boost when needed, but I'm primarily
> concerned with a solid midrange.
>
> Any and all help is very appreciated!
>
> Peace and bass...
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  > http://www.boysen.se/kitchenensemble/tellus.html  
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indeed.....a smile getter.....thanks per.....michael

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all music loops huh ????

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Ok guys,

Here's another one...

I took my cell phone and called up my office phone in the same room. To
answer the office phone I switched on the built in loud speaker. This
immediately electrified the air waves. By jumping around and waving the
cell phone I could get different pitches out of the feedback inferno.
Next project is to record and loop it ;-)

Best wishes

Per Boysen
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thanks Geoff.  I'll keep that in mind.  I'm looking foward to reading your paper. -Chris




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Certainly not ALL music, but a great deal of it has repetetive structures

from regular beats
to canon form
to popular AABA song structure
to regular oscillators that create pitch-definite sounds

I will admit looping has it's dangers to music...the worms attack rhythmic 
vibrations.  Remeber that when looping kids







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Tu2 is cool , but check THIS out :

www.devine-machine.com

can get infinite variations effortless , and play them live (MIDI+ASIO)

Link
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  > in conjunction with my brand new EDP with LOOP 4 software (don't
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  hi Rick,
  so take your Loop4 EDP
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  while playing/singing  sustained notes
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  instant groove appears=20
  , along the same lines as
  the 16th of a wav chopping effect you just described

  of course it doesn't have to be 1s loop,
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  enjoy

  andy butler=20
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> >A few films I can think of in that connection are "Rashomon," > >"Run
Lola Run," "Memento," and "Groundhog Day."

A few more examples from literature:

"Frame-Tale" by John Barth (in his collection of stories "Lost in the
Funhouse").  The text "Once upon a time" is printed along the edge of the
page, and along the same edge of the back of the page is printed "there was
a story that began".  Barth instructs the reader to cut off the strip of
paper containing the text, twist it once and then tape it together into a
Mφbius strip.  The text, which then literally and figuratively loops back on
itself, reads:  "Once upon a time there was a story that began once upon a
time there was a story that began . . ." ad infinitum.

A second example is Eugene Ionesco's 'Anti-Play' "The Bald Soprano" (La
Cantatrice Chauve in the original French).  The play begins with a couple
sitting chatting quietly in their living room, after which some visitors
stop by.  The action becomes more and more absurd and contentious until they
all wind up spouting total inanities whilst screaming at the top of their
lungs.  The lights go out, the curtain closes then reopens with the original
couple sitting in their living room, quietly repeating their original
conversation.

A third example is a short story by Julio Cortαzar, "Continuity of Parks"
(Continuidad de los Parques in the original Spanish).  It's only a couple of
paragraphs -- read it for yourself at
http://www.geocities.com/muna_qudah/cortazar.html

This also reminds me of the visual "looping" (I'm sure there's some other
more specific term for it) in painting where a figure repeats itself
infinitely.  For example:  the old Quaker Oats cardboard cylinders used to
show a bespectacled white-wigged gentleman holding a box of Quaker Qats on
which he was pictured holding a box of Quaker Oats etc.

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Have you guys thought about philosophy and psycology.  How about the fear of fear.  Check out this proof of heaven/enlightenment I wrote a couple years agos:  When I know the world is pirfect, and I'm destined for nothing but joy, I am very joyful and content.  When I am very joyful and content I know the world is pirfect and I'm destined for nothing but joy.  Logical and emotional feedback system.  Decarte had a proof of God that hinged on his belief of God, unfortunatly I dont remember how it goes. -Chris




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Musicians:

Andrew D'Angelo:	alto sax, electronics
Laurent Brondel:	electric guitar, electronics
Skye Steele:		violin, electric violin
Mike Pride:		drums, objects

We will be performing Tuesday, February 4th in the AlterKnit Theatre at 
8PM.
Knitting Factory, 74 Leonard St. (between Chruch and Broadway), New York
N,R,Q or W train to Canal St.

For a description, I would say another anarchistic experiment in music. 
Plenty of looping.
Cheers,
Laurent Brondel
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<underline>Musicians:</underline>


<bold>Andrew D'Angelo</bold>:	alto sax, electronics

<bold>Laurent Brondel</bold>:	electric guitar, electronics

<bold>Skye Steele</bold>:		violin, electric violin

<bold>Mike Pride</bold>:		drums, objects


We will be performing <bold>Tuesday, </bold>February<bold> 4th</bold>
in the <bold>AlterKnit Theatre</bold> at 8PM.

<bold>Knitting Factory</bold>, 74 Leonard St. (between Chruch and
Broadway), <bold>New York</bold>

N,R,Q or W train to Canal St.


For a description, I would say another anarchistic experiment in
music. Plenty of looping.

Cheers,

Laurent Brondel

laurentbrondel@earthlink.net

http://www.laurentbrondel.com/


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that editorial was very close to my reaction.
one thing it fails to point out is that if too many people
try to claim their $, no-one gets any and the money
goes to "not-for-profit, charitable, governmental or public 
entities to be used for music-related purposes"  
i wonder who they'll choose?

as if they've only stolen $20 from me in the first place...


> 
> There's a short but interesting editorial on the settlement 
> at: http://mail.projekt.com/Lists/projektlist/Message/87.html
> 
> 
> At 09:32 AM 2003/02/03 -0800, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote:
> >http://www.musiccdsettlement.com/english/default.htm
> >
> >I bet everyone on this list is eligible for a check.
> >Gary
> 

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thats a good one per!

jg
http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com

i had a friend call in the middle of the show and she ended up in the loop
via the mic. good fun!!


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> Ok guys,
>
> Here's another one...
>
> I took my cell phone and called up my office phone in the same room. To
> answer the office phone I switched on the built in loud speaker. This
> immediately electrified the air waves. By jumping around and waving the
> cell phone I could get different pitches out of the feedback inferno.
> Next project is to record and loop it ;-)
>
> Best wishes
>
> Per Boysen
> ________________
> www.boysen.se
> www.looproom.com
>
>

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Im looking for a unit that will allow me to play one note, hit a button on 
the floor once, and it will sample and hold that note continuously and 
uninterrupted without any hint of decay or repeated attacks. Something like a 
digital sustain pedal (for a guitar rig), that does not repeat the initial 
attack like a looper does, but will hold a continuous drone of the note I 
play when I activate the unit. 

Also I do not want to have to hold the pedal down to keep the note sounding, 
I want to be able to hit the button once, which makes the note sound 
uninterrupted for as long as I want, play whatever I want unaffected 
(echo-free), and then when Im sick of the background droning note, I hit the 
button once again to deactivate the unit. 

The unit may be a simple stompbox or a rackmount, as long as I can control 
the feature via footswitch.

Anyone know of ANYTHING of this sort,
thanks
Jesse Malone

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jesse,
roland synth units such as the GR-30 and GR-33 have a hold function that 
would do what you want, but that is an expensive unit for what you are 
wanting.  with a loop you can fade the note in to avoid the fundamental  
attack of the note, but it seems it may not be what you want.  line 6 dl4 
and boomerang phrase sampler would be a good looping avenue to take.
matt



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>Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 18:56:16 EST
>
>Im looking for a unit that will allow me to play one note, hit a button on
>the floor once, and it will sample and hold that note continuously and
>uninterrupted without any hint of decay or repeated attacks. Something like 
>a
>digital sustain pedal (for a guitar rig), that does not repeat the initial
>attack like a looper does, but will hold a continuous drone of the note I
>play when I activate the unit.
>
>Also I do not want to have to hold the pedal down to keep the note 
>sounding,
>I want to be able to hit the button once, which makes the note sound
>uninterrupted for as long as I want, play whatever I want unaffected
>(echo-free), and then when Im sick of the background droning note, I hit 
>the
>button once again to deactivate the unit.
>
>The unit may be a simple stompbox or a rackmount, as long as I can control
>the feature via footswitch.
>
>Anyone know of ANYTHING of this sort,
>thanks
>Jesse Malone


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I assume you are talking about playing a guitar and sampling its output.
You would need to sample a part of the sound after the initial attack
but before the sound begins to change in volume or timbre.  You would
not be able to apply any vibrato or tremelo to the note before sampling.
(you could apply these effects after sampling)  The odds of grabbing a
perfect loop from a short sample are very slim.  You would need a
gizmo that does a crossfade dissolve on a loop on the fly.
I know of no pedal or rack unit that does this...  Lots of sound editing
software does it, but not in real time.  Even with a simple crossfade, you
would probably hear the cycling nature of the tone because of the
complexities of a guitar note.  Now if you were playing a sine wave
-or a non-leslied organ...... possibly.
--
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> >From: Sorceror777@aol.com
> >
> >Im looking for a unit that will allow me to play one note, hit a button on
> >the floor once, and it will sample and hold that note continuously and
> >uninterrupted without any hint of decay or repeated attacks. Something like
> >a
> >digital sustain pedal (for a guitar rig), that does not repeat the initial
> >attack like a looper does, but will hold a continuous drone of the note I
> >play when I activate the unit.
> >
> >Also I do not want to have to hold the pedal down to keep the note
> >sounding,
> >I want to be able to hit the button once, which makes the note sound
> >uninterrupted for as long as I want, play whatever I want unaffected
> >(echo-free), and then when Im sick of the background droning note, I hit
> >the
> >button once again to deactivate the unit.
> >
> >The unit may be a simple stompbox or a rackmount, as long as I can control
> >the feature via footswitch.
> >
> >Anyone know of ANYTHING of this sort,
> >thanks
> >Jesse Malone




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Here's a couple different ideas:

Cheap Method:  Hit the 'Record' button on any looping device after the
initial attack of the note.  Try to take as small a piece as possible so you
don't get a difference in level from the decay of the note, otherwise you
will hear a volume change every time the loop starts over.  If you get a
noticable loop, then you can try doing the same thing again as an overdub to
try and smooth it out.  I do this with the Boss RC-20 when I practice scales
on my fretless bass, to create a drone note.  Although, unfortunately, the
RC-20 seems to have a minimum sample time of about two and a half seconds
which is enough time for a uncompressed, uneffected bass note to have a
noticable volume decay.  If you're using distortion and/or compression you
could probably get away with it easier.  But, if you're really shredding, no
one will care about a small click or volume change in the loop anyway.

Expensive Method:  Sample your guitar into the computer, dump them into a
hardware sampler (or something you're willing to take on the gig), set up a
loop point in the sample(s) to loop seamlessly.  Trigger the note you want
with a set of Roland PK-5 MIDI pedals (or some other MIDI controller) set to
the setting where the pedals send only a note on message until you hit the
pedal again.  This will give you exactly what you want, at the cost of a
measly $999 for a Yamaha A4/5000, and $419 for a set of PK-5 bass pedals
(price quoted from the Musician's "Friend" website).  You could also trigger
other sounds as drone notes with this rig, as well as drum loops, and
samples of burps and farts.

Does anyone else know of a controller that will send note on messages like
this, without note off, until you hit the next note?

-J



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> Im looking for a unit that will allow me to play one note, hit a button on

> the floor once, and it will sample and hold that note continuously and
> uninterrupted without any hint of decay or repeated attacks. Something
like a
> digital sustain pedal (for a guitar rig), that does not repeat the initial
> attack like a looper does, but will hold a continuous drone of the note I
> play when I activate the unit.
>
> Also I do not want to have to hold the pedal down to keep the note
sounding,
> I want to be able to hit the button once, which makes the note sound
> uninterrupted for as long as I want, play whatever I want unaffected
> (echo-free), and then when Im sick of the background droning note, I hit
the
> button once again to deactivate the unit.
>
> The unit may be a simple stompbox or a rackmount, as long as I can control
> the feature via footswitch.
>
> Anyone know of ANYTHING of this sort,
> thanks
> Jesse Malone
>

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you are describing the <DF-2 boss super distortion&feedbacker>. they are no
longer made but ya see them around. you can shut the distortion down and
feed it a clean guitar signal,hit the pedal and the note you played minus
the attack is sustained BUT only as long as you keep your foot on the pedal.
it also has a pot for coloring the sustaining overtone sound-from 0-the
original sound to 10 and the signal is double octaved. very cool box that
hardly ever gets its props-seen it used in some keyboard rigs even...
stan 

> Im looking for a unit that will allow me to play one note, hit a button on
> the floor once, and it will sample and hold that note continuously and
> uninterrupted without any hint of decay or repeated attacks. Something like a
> digital sustain pedal (for a guitar rig), that does not repeat the initial
> attack like a looper does, but will hold a continuous drone of the note I
> play when I activate the unit.
> 
> Also I do not want to have to hold the pedal down to keep the note sounding,
> I want to be able to hit the button once, which makes the note sound
> uninterrupted for as long as I want, play whatever I want unaffected
> (echo-free), and then when Im sick of the background droning note, I hit the
> button once again to deactivate the unit.
> 
> The unit may be a simple stompbox or a rackmount, as long as I can control
> the feature via footswitch.
> 
> Anyone know of ANYTHING of this sort,
> thanks
> Jesse Malone
> 

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--- Daryl <highhorse@mhorse.com> wrote:
>I didn't realize that Mini-Disk's had
> looping capabilities...

Well, a lot depends on your definition of looping; a
minidisc (or at least the Sony decks I have) will play
back a prerecorded sample as a loop. It's still not a
real-time looper where you can play a phrase into it
and capture/play back/overdub in real time.

I use mine as sort of a a poor man's sampler...

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>Im looking for a unit that will allow me to play one note, hit a button on
> the floor once, and it will sample and hold that note continuously and
> uninterrupted without any hint of decay or repeated attacks.


One of the examples in the Looper Construction Kit for Kyma is an "infinite
sustainer" that is intended for that exact purpose.  It's sort of a
"midi-looper" in terms of looping time, midway between a micro-looper (IIR
and FIR filters) and a "mega-looper" like the EDP, delay lines, etc.

You don't need to trigger it with a footswitch, though you can.  It listens
for your signal's attack and then grabs a tiny portion of the decay segment
and loops that.  So it hold the last note you play.  Of course, it works on
chords as well as single notes.  It operates quite well on signals with an
exponential envelope, like plucked or struck strings, struck marimba bars,
triangles, gongs, etc.  Smooth signals, like singing, come out really wierd.

It's listed in the LCK manual, available free on-line:

http://www.greenteasoftware.com/download.htm

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OK, I have to toss one of my techniques in.. :) This is a technique that
a) heavily modifies the sound, over time, and b) is just a wierd way to
do looping...

 Using an internet streaming client, stream your audio out to the internet,
while doing this, tune in to listen to the stream, wah lah! welcome to long
loops and heavy sonic manipulation as each loop is decoded and re-encoded...
now, I know you could do this without an internet connection, but, I love
the 'chaos' of the undetermined delay times... hehe... After doing this
I thought about creating a standalone piece of software for doing it, but,
well, it's one of those projects that was never compelling enough to complete...
But, now that I am rambling about it, maybe I should see about adding something
like this to AmbiLoop.. (chris M?!?!? hehe) :)

peace
-cpr

>-- Original Message --
>From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" <GLOBAL@cruzio.com>
>To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>Subject: WIERD SOUND DESIGN for looping
>Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 19:44:52 -0800
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>
>Hi gang,
>I'm in love with sound design, from manipulating found sounds to using
>computers and
>effects processors and stomp boxes to mangle sounds.  Whenever there are
>those
>100 tips for sound design articles in Electronic Musician or Future Music
>or
>Keyboard magazine I just eat that shit up  (by the way, the excellent
>british mag, Future Music just had it's 10th anniversary issue with a whole
>bunch of best of lists in it........go check it out).
>
>Would anyone be into contributing some of their favorite idiosyncratic
>techniques for
>looping sounds and designing sounds to loop?  I'd personally love such
a
>thread.
>
>
>In that spirit I just discovered some cool shit today and thought I'd like
>to share it
>with you all:
>
>
> I just bought the coolest thing today.......it is a little dayglo green
>plastic
>'rock star' headset mic and plastic speak amplifier that I bought at
>CLAIRE's which is
>a young teen age girls accesorie shop in the local mall  (I seem to get
half
>of my
>plastic found sound musical stuff at shops like these............making
very
>sure that
>I make eye contact with no young pubescesnt girls lest they think this
>purple haired
>middled aged man is a freak....................LMAO).   All the young women
>who work in these stores know me by now and actually save stuff for me
that
>they think I will like.
>It's pretty cool.
>
>Anyway, this little plastic toy amplifier with a tiny headset mic  cost
$10
>(US) and is surprisingly loud and, of course, really low fi.  It is also
>really prone to feedback.
>
> It is so prone to feedback that I started singing through it, covering
the
>teeny
>2" speaker with my hand and systematically (and rhythmically) taking it
off
>partially.
>In this way I could control (like a human noise gate) a couple of bands
of
>feedback (hand completely covering the speaker will cut the feedback
>instantly).
>
>I then sang a little falsetto ditty in 7/8 into it and recorded it into
>Sound Forge.
>
>I then opened up KANTOS as a plugin (which is this incredible new soft
synth
>made by
>Antares---they of Autotune fame----which is controlled by audio tracks
NOT
>midi.
>
>It analyses the sound coming in (in this case my wierd little feedbacked
>7/8
>vocal thing)
>and then you can control resultant synthesizer's pitch with the waveform.
>
>I love 'what's wrong with this picture' sounds so I chose voice simulation
>synth patches
>to drive with this vocal thingee and the results sound like Psychedelic
>Pygmies.
>
>Wow, If I only had KANTOS as a real time processor, I'd never take another
>keyboard to a gig again.........with the wind synth control of the Repeater
>loops and the ability to control a synth with your singing or melodic
>playing............woooohooooo.
>
>Okee dokee,  that's my WIERD SOUND DESIGN for looping tip of the
>day.........
>
>..........who's into following suit?
>
>yours,  Rick Walker (loop.pool)
>www.looppool.info
>


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on 2/3/03 4:57 PM, stanitarium@earthlink.net at stanitarium@earthlink.net
wrote:

> you are describing the <DF-2 boss super distortion&feedbacker>

The Roland GP-100 had a feedbacker effect. I suspect that the Boss GT-5,
GT-3, and GT-6 might have one as well, but I can't say for certain. If they
do, you might even be able to get it to work in a latching mode rather than
a "hold the pedal down" mode. Again, however, I can't promise anything since
I don't have any gear that I can check.

Mark

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> After doing this
> I thought about creating a standalone piece of software for doing it, but,
> well, it's one of those projects that was never compelling enough to
complete...
> But, now that I am rambling about it, maybe I should see about adding
something
> like this to AmbiLoop.. (chris M?!?!? hehe) :)

Let me encourage you, Chris and Chris!  Do it!

We can have nightly loop festivals around the globe!  How about 24-hours of
global looping?!

One thing with looping - you never know where it will lead...

Dennis Leas
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If you're using a guitar you can purchase a Sustainiac (www.sustainiac.com)
Does the job really well, though it's touchy to set up initially.  You get more
true guitar tone with it than you get with an eBow and it works really great
with a clean tone as well as a distorted tone.

I have a feeling this isn't what you want though.

Another way to create a drone is to create a loop (take your pick of loopers,
they'll almost all let you do this) and then volume pedel your attack away.  Do
this a few times until you get a nice bed of your instrument playing a
sustained note.  It will be layered, but I find that to be an advanatge, as you
get a more interesting sound.

Mark Sottilaro



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Per asked:

"Interesting :-)  Just one question: can Tu2 be conttrolled by external
midi? Is it worth presenting Tu2 to my dearest friend FCB1010? Will they
mate?"

 I don't think so yet, Per, but I've been lobbying Bram to add this
functionality feature.
He is an excellent designer but has a day job that isn't this so it takes
him a while to
add features.  It still is amazing just for composition.

and he also asked:

"The "slice randomizer" appears nice! Can you open five instances of Tu2
and have them "jam" together? With the rendomizer this could create some
interesting random music (or should it be called "musical
installation"?)"

there is an awesome little mixer in the program where you can throw in and
tweak many different loops (or several variations of the same loop which is
far more interesting)
and I have been 'jamming with tweaking volumes and resonance changes in real
time and recording the results into Sound Forge, although there is no reason
not to do the same thing into, say, Albleton's LIVE during a performance to
save it and perform in real time.

yours Rick



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hey, tom is here and i snagged your power supply
it here now nice, safe, warm

-evil

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sorry that was for MARK......


das wrote:

> hey, tom is here and i snagged your power supply
> it here now nice, safe, warm
>
> -evil

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this may be more than obvious, but the software you're using to write email
and the os you're working are loops, or at least, makes use of loops.  all
software contains loops.  right now, as you read this, your processor is
being fed NOOPs, an instruction that says 'do nothing', over and over again.
xp just blue screened on me saying that my video driver got caught in an
infinite loop.  ;)

AC electricity is a loop.  in the US, 60 times a second, all your power
outlets cycle negative, positive.

in math, division is often an infinite loop.  1/9=.11111...,
1/11=.09090909..., 1/7=.142857142857142857..., etc.  integration is infinite
instantaneous looped sampling.

jump rope is a loop.

the eart spins and orbits in a loop.

any musical tone is a looped compression and rarefaction of air.

ecology has lots of loops.

it is probably safe to say that without loops, there would be no stability
in life, only unpredictable chaos.  anything predictable is also repeatable.
therefore, predictability is a form of loop.  interesting!


paul

> nothing's gonna beat "land of the lost"
> a whole season of high quality looping.
> "daddy, daddy, nooooooooooo..."

i laughed so hard when i read this, btw... ;)

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thanks for all the responses so far! 
Anyway, to clarify something, I want a unit that has a pure "infinite" 
sustain/feedback function. The suggestions given involving loopers dont work, 
because this is for realtime (live playing, so software doesnt work either) 
application, and i dont have the time to create a bed of layers resulting in 
a final sustaining pedal point drone. I just want to play a note, STEP on a 
button, without having to hold it down, and have that note/chord drone. The 
cyclic nature of the guitar string doesnt bug me, its doesnt have to be a 
uniform sine wave drone (line a telephone dial tone), I just dont want to 
hear the loop-like/digital delay  'repeat' of the note/chord.

In a message dated 2/3/03 3:57:47 PM, Sorceror777@aol.com writes:

<< Im looking for a unit that will allow me to play one note, hit a button on 
the floor once, and it will sample and hold that note continuously and 
uninterrupted without any hint of decay or repeated attacks. Something like a 
digital sustain pedal (for a guitar rig), that does not repeat the initial 
attack like a looper does, but will hold a continuous drone of the note I 
play when I activate the unit. 

Also I do not want to have to hold the pedal down to keep the note sounding, 
I want to be able to hit the button once, which makes the note sound 
uninterrupted for as long as I want, play whatever I want unaffected 
(echo-free), and then when Im sick of the background droning note, I hit the 
button once again to deactivate the unit. 

The unit may be a simple stompbox or a rackmount, as long as I can control 
the feature via footswitch.

Anyone know of ANYTHING of this sort,
thanks
Jesse Malone


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the guitar player in my band uses the roland gr-30 exactly this way all the
time to create drones and ambient pads. it looks pretty simple to do with
this unit. he can then use  volume pedal to create swells and effects post
processing ... very cool.

although, the signal he's "holding" is the synth voice from the midi side,
not the analog signal from the guitar ... i think.


----- Original Message -----
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> jesse,
> roland synth units such as the GR-30 and GR-33 have a hold function that
> would do what you want, but that is an expensive unit for what you are
> wanting.  with a loop you can fade the note in to avoid the fundamental
> attack of the note, but it seems it may not be what you want.  line 6 dl4
> and boomerang phrase sampler would be a good looping avenue to take.
> matt
>
>
>
> >From: Sorceror777@aol.com
> >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >Subject: "hold" note uninterrupted feature
> >Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 18:56:16 EST
> >
> >Im looking for a unit that will allow me to play one note, hit a button
on
> >the floor once, and it will sample and hold that note continuously and
> >uninterrupted without any hint of decay or repeated attacks. Something
like
> >a
> >digital sustain pedal (for a guitar rig), that does not repeat the
initial
> >attack like a looper does, but will hold a continuous drone of the note I
> >play when I activate the unit.
> >
> >Also I do not want to have to hold the pedal down to keep the note
> >sounding,
> >I want to be able to hit the button once, which makes the note sound
> >uninterrupted for as long as I want, play whatever I want unaffected
> >(echo-free), and then when Im sick of the background droning note, I hit
> >the
> >button once again to deactivate the unit.
> >
> >The unit may be a simple stompbox or a rackmount, as long as I can
control
> >the feature via footswitch.
> >
> >Anyone know of ANYTHING of this sort,
> >thanks
> >Jesse Malone

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> Anyway, to clarify something, I want a unit that has a pure "infinite"
> sustain/feedback function. The suggestions given involving loopers dont
work,
> because this is for realtime (live playing, so software doesnt work
either)
> application, and i dont have the time to create a bed of layers resulting
in
> a final sustaining pedal point drone. I just want to play a note, STEP on
a
> button, without having to hold it down, and have that note/chord drone.
The
> cyclic nature of the guitar string doesnt bug me, its doesnt have to be a
> uniform sine wave drone (line a telephone dial tone), I just dont want to
> hear the loop-like/digital delay  'repeat' of the note/chord.


Well, I thought I was following you until your last post.  Now I'm a bit
confused.

Why doesn't a looper work?  Why doesn't software work either?  Both are
capable of real-time response.  I don't understand your objections.  Can you
give more detail please?

And I'm not sure what you mean by "loop-like/digital delay  'repeat' of the
note/chord".  Can you explain further?

For example, when you play a triangle (to pick out some instrument) into the
LCK infinite sustainer, it sounds like the triangle never stops ringing.
The sustain is perfectly even with no drop or wavering in level.  Instead of
"ting" you hear "tingggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg..."

I do something similar with the EDP and a gong.  Strike the gong then very
quickly step on EDP Record button twice.  You make a short loop of the gong.
Unlike the LCK infinite sustainer, you do get a bit of tremelo effect in the
sustained sound, but it still works quite well.  (The LCK goes through a bit
of signal processing to even-out the sound.)

Dennis Leas
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O list,

Though I'm still catching up on sleep and generally recovering from one
and a half weeks of utter loop immersion, I want to drop a quick note to
thank everyone here involved, in whatever capacity, with the January
tour of California.  It was a resounding success musically, personally,
and economically, and I almost wish it was still happening.  (Then I
remember sleeping for 24 of the first 32 hours I was back home, and I
almost come to my senses).

It's hard to remember details when there are so many fragments floating
about - the trio finding its footing at Rocco's, before turning into a
freaky-funk '70s Miles Davis tribute band with the inclusion of Michael
Manring... 

the trio spontaneously assuming the role of a highly effective drum and
bass band at the request of one of the audience members at Z Pie in San
Luis Obispo...  

the tribal glitch-o-rama groove-fest of the two-drummers/two-guitarists
band in Palo Alto...  

a mournful and somber trio set at the San Jose Museum of Art that
practically had me in tears (in a good way!)...  

some all-too-timely words on world affairs from Rick Walker on stage at
the Cayuga Vault in Santa Cruz, before an almost violently intense and
confrontational trio set of what I'd venture to call "protest music" -
it felt like a real-time Squarepusher remix of Miles' "On The Corner,"
had me hollering at the top of my lungs at one point, and left the
entire band scratching its head in disbelief at what we'd just played...

and a strangely fractured and schizophrenic final show in Ben Lomond,
augmented by both Manring and Bill Walker, which almost seemed to filter
the whole tour into a stark and scattered coda of the entire previous
two weeks...

In any event, I have very little clear memory of most of what we played
on that tour, but I'm profoundly grateful to everyone who attended a
gig, helped to organize a show, and granted me some space on stage with
them.  Huge thanks to Rick Walker, Steve Lawson, Jon Wagner, Cara Quinn,
Bill Walker, Hans Lindauer, Kim Flint, Rik Elswit, Dan Elliot, and
everyone else on and off-list who played such an integral part in the
whole damn thing.

Thanks also to Daryl for his Palo Alto review - if anyone else who was
at a gig feels the inclination to drop a review, I'd be very interested
to know what it was like on the other side of the stage.  In the
meantime, I'll echo the sentiment that screaming duets were a definite
high point of the tour for me as well...

Hooray for gigantic unseen forces,

--Andre LaFosse
The Echoplex Analysis Pages:
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Yes, the GT-6 has this function.  And I'm pretty sure there's a latching
mode too, but it has to do with how you set up the CTL pedal.

On Mon, 03 Feb 2003 17:49:36 -0800, "Mark Hamburg"
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> on 2/3/03 4:57 PM, stanitarium@earthlink.net at stanitarium@earthlink.net
> wrote:
> 
> > you are describing the <DF-2 boss super distortion&feedbacker>
> 
> The Roland GP-100 had a feedbacker effect. I suspect that the Boss GT-5,
> GT-3, and GT-6 might have one as well, but I can't say for certain. If
> they
> do, you might even be able to get it to work in a latching mode rather
> than
> a "hold the pedal down" mode. Again, however, I can't promise anything
> since
> I don't have any gear that I can check.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
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"Come into My World"

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> What is the name of this song?  I found a site (MTV) with some of her
> videos
> but don't want to download/view the wrong one.
> Gary

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  All of the GT's have it but the 6 works in a different way from the
others in that it seems to use a pitch-shifted signal rather than an
oscillator-produced tone to simulate the feedback.   Incidentally, the
feedback isn't permanent.  -but it sounds  absolutely wonderful!!!
woohoo!   The Pandora, Korg PX-4 also has a feedbacker  which works great
which is or seems to be at least, an oscillator-produced tone.    It begins
after one plays one's last note in a phrase.  -and continues until another
note is played.  -like it much!   
 
Smiles,

CQ

At 05:49 PM 2/3/03 -0800, you wrote:
>on 2/3/03 4:57 PM, stanitarium@earthlink.net at stanitarium@earthlink.net
>wrote:
>
>> you are describing the <DF-2 boss super distortion&feedbacker>
>
>The Roland GP-100 had a feedbacker effect. I suspect that the Boss GT-5,
>GT-3, and GT-6 might have one as well, but I can't say for certain. If they
>do, you might even be able to get it to work in a latching mode rather than
>a "hold the pedal down" mode. Again, however, I can't promise anything since
>I don't have any gear that I can check.
>
>Mark
>
>


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  Another interesting idea to me is the M set in fractal geometry, which
represents an iterative process which modifies a value, and then begins
again with the modified value to then modify it again, and so on and so on
and so on.  The mod is simple but generates complex results which repeat.
These can be musical or non-musical, and also show up in human neural
networks and retinal patterns...  

Smiles,

Cara

At 09:28 AM 2/3/03 -0500, you wrote:
>In basic mathematics, multiplication is a form of sampling (this, plus this
>again, plus this again, plus this again...) while a process such as the
>Fibonacci series is a form of looping. (1+1=2, 2+1=3, 3+2=5, 5+3+8, etc.) I
>find it interesting that sampling/multiplication generates "linear" results,
>while the looping process generates "curved" results. Any other examples of
>mathematical sampling vs. looping?
>
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  Hey All, -couple of quickie questions...   First off, I'm assuming the
FCB 1010 is probably going to work out the best for use with the plex, but
I also have an FC-200 and was curious for feedback from anyone using either
of these to control the EDP.   -differences, -similarities, etc...   
  Also, since the FCB doesn't seem to be able to generate separate midi
data streams upon a pedal press and then a release, how are sus functions
accomplished?   I know the FC-200 can have a function happen only while a
pedal is pressed, but can the FCB?   
  Thanks for any insight anyone may have on this.  

Smiles,

Cara




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I've used an FC-200 with the EDP. I have not used an FCB1010, but I've read
a number of posts.

Unlike the FC-200, the FCB1010 won't transmit control messages at button up
time or at least it wouldn't in the first software release. Hence, one has
to use note messages to control the EDP with FCB1010. That, however, I
gather does work.

I actually used an FC-200 to control two EDPs at once. It got a little
confusing and would probably be a bit harder now with LoopIV and all of the
direct MIDI commands.

Mark

on 2/3/03 10:31 PM, Goddess at thefates@earthlink.net wrote:

> Hey All, -couple of quickie questions...   First off, I'm assuming the
> FCB 1010 is probably going to work out the best for use with the plex, but
> I also have an FC-200 and was curious for feedback from anyone using either
> of these to control the EDP.   -differences, -similarities, etc...
> Also, since the FCB doesn't seem to be able to generate separate midi
> data streams upon a pedal press and then a release, how are sus functions
> accomplished?   I know the FC-200 can have a function happen only while a
> pedal is pressed, but can the FCB?
> Thanks for any insight anyone may have on this.  

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Hey folks, I just ordered an Echoplex w/pedalboard today!  I was =
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I have been looking at the Peavey PC1600X.  I figure if Squarepusher is =
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inputs, but there's a hack (albeit a dangerous-looking one) to add =
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Hello to all my LoopyypooL (Fiends) Friends...

If you are in the neighborhood or know someone who is please come check out
my 'Looping Extravaganza Show' show this week in Colorado:

Thursday 8pm
Where: Cactus Jacks, 4651 HWY 73, Evergreen CO, 303-674-1564

FEB 7th Friday 8pm
Where: Evergreen Sports Grill, Evergreen, CO

FEB 8th  Saturday 8pm
Where: Sweet Rockin Coffee, 414 E. 20th Av. Denver CO 303-318-9788

My website http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com has good directions on the
schedule page.

Also please check out my 'Looping Tune Of The Month', 'Pacing The Cage' when
you get a chance. Thanks to all who have emailed feedback to me since the
last posting of the tune!

As always there are many other looping tunes on my 'music' / 'listen' page:

Other looping compositions on my 'listen' page include;

Trk 7 - on the 'she' cd
Trks 1 & 4 - on the 'LIVE' cd
Most the 'Rinsing Out The Turtle' cd - trks 2, 4, 5, 7, 8 & 11
Trk 7 - on the 'Passion For Discovery' cd
All of 'Live At The Ritz' (I will have all the tunes posted to stream this
week. This is a FUN show!)

Thanks for keeping it in the Loop...

peace and love peace and love peace and love peace and love

Jimmy George
http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com
http://www.jimmygeorgeband.com

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Hello to all my LoopyypooL (Fiends) Friends...

If you are in the neighborhood or know someone who is please come check out
my 'Looping Extravaganza Show' show this week in Colorado:

Thursday 8pm
Where: Cactus Jacks, 4651 HWY 73, Evergreen CO, 303-674-1564

FEB 7th Friday 8pm
Where: Evergreen Sports Grill, Evergreen, CO

FEB 8th  Saturday 8pm
Where: Sweet Rockin Coffee, 414 E. 20th Av. Denver CO 303-318-9788

My website http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com has good directions on the
schedule page.

Also please check out my 'Looping Tune Of The Month', 'Pacing The Cage' when
you get a chance. Thanks to all who have emailed feedback to me since the
last posting of the tune!

As always there are many other looping tunes on my 'music' / 'listen' page:

Other looping compositions on my 'listen' page include;

Trk 7 - on the 'she' cd
Trks 1 & 4 - on the 'LIVE' cd
Most the 'Rinsing Out The Turtle' cd - trks 2, 4, 5, 7, 8 & 11
Trk 7 - on the 'Passion For Discovery' cd
All of 'Live At The Ritz' (I will have all the tunes posted to stream this
week. This is a FUN show!)

Thanks for keeping it in the Loop...

peace and love peace and love peace and love peace and love

Jimmy George
http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com
http://www.jimmygeorgeband.com


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Indeed CQ!Hope to see you there. I am fairly new to Denver from austin tx of
14 years. I'm just starting to play in boulder as well. was there a few
weeks ago. what kind of looping do you do?

getting up or going to bed?

Thanks for the note and spread the word...

mustzzzzzzsleep
jg
http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com


----- Original Message -----
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>   Hey Jimmy, cool beans!, -will try to swing by and say hi for one or more
> of the shows.   I'm in Boulder, if you're going to be in that area at all
> between gigs.   -would love to say hi...   Catch ya on the flip side...
>
> Smiles,
>
> CQ
>
> At 02:24 AM 2/4/03 -0700, you wrote:
> >Hello to all my LoopyypooL (Fiends) Friends...
> >
> >If you are in the neighborhood or know someone who is please come check
out
> >my 'Looping Extravaganza Show' show this week in Colorado:
> >
> >Thursday 8pm
> >Where: Cactus Jacks, 4651 HWY 73, Evergreen CO, 303-674-1564
> >
> >FEB 7th Friday 8pm
> >Where: Evergreen Sports Grill, Evergreen, CO
> >
> >FEB 8th  Saturday 8pm
> >Where: Sweet Rockin Coffee, 414 E. 20th Av. Denver CO 303-318-9788
> >
> >My website http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com has good directions on the
> >schedule page.
> >
> >Also please check out my 'Looping Tune Of The Month', 'Pacing The Cage'
when
> >you get a chance. Thanks to all who have emailed feedback to me since the
> >last posting of the tune!
> >
> >As always there are many other looping tunes on my 'music' / 'listen'
page:
> >
> >Other looping compositions on my 'listen' page include;
> >
> >Trk 7 - on the 'she' cd
> >Trks 1 & 4 - on the 'LIVE' cd
> >Most the 'Rinsing Out The Turtle' cd - trks 2, 4, 5, 7, 8 & 11
> >Trk 7 - on the 'Passion For Discovery' cd
> >All of 'Live At The Ritz' (I will have all the tunes posted to stream
this
> >week. This is a FUN show!)
> >
> >Thanks for keeping it in the Loop...
> >
> >peace and love peace and love peace and love peace and love
> >
> >Jimmy George
> >http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com
> >http://www.jimmygeorgeband.com
> >
> >
>
>
> ---
>
>   "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother.
> -Then, anything is possible..."
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates
>
> Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe.
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe
>
>
>

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Hello everyone, 

I have been lurking on this list for a while and enjoying all subject matter (the OT stuff as well). 
I was actually wondering if I am actually a looper or not, because my set up is quite different from most of the people on this list. 
I have been using a Laptop and Reaktor to create improvised music. My laptop is not quite a high enough spec to use live inputs to get loops from my guitar or bass. so I record these bits up front as well as other sounds (sometime using a 30 sec memo recorder on my wrist watch). 
I then use one of the reaktor samplers to chop up these loops in realtime and sequence the loops using two step sequencers - one controlling individual sample hits and the other controlling loops of hits. both the step sequencers have a probability factor on each step so that the probability of the hit (or loop fragment) firing can be controlled. I use a pseudo random number to control the probability, but hopefully in my next version I'll resample the resulting loops and use those to control the probability. 
One of the effects I can create with this is to create a drum track that has random fills, so I can leave the drums free to do their stuff while I manipulate other samplers (sorry drummers). 
I'm looking forward to the new 3.0 ghz processors to come out so I can record the input live - then i'll be straight down to toy store! 

Cheers 
OJ 

www.TheJupiter8.com 



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  Hey Jimmy, cool beans!, -will try to swing by and say hi for one or more
of the shows.   I'm in Boulder, if you're going to be in that area at all
between gigs.   -would love to say hi...   Catch ya on the flip side...   

Smiles,

CQ

At 02:24 AM 2/4/03 -0700, you wrote:
>Hello to all my LoopyypooL (Fiends) Friends...
>
>If you are in the neighborhood or know someone who is please come check out
>my 'Looping Extravaganza Show' show this week in Colorado:
>
>Thursday 8pm
>Where: Cactus Jacks, 4651 HWY 73, Evergreen CO, 303-674-1564
>
>FEB 7th Friday 8pm
>Where: Evergreen Sports Grill, Evergreen, CO
>
>FEB 8th  Saturday 8pm
>Where: Sweet Rockin Coffee, 414 E. 20th Av. Denver CO 303-318-9788
>
>My website http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com has good directions on the
>schedule page.
>
>Also please check out my 'Looping Tune Of The Month', 'Pacing The Cage' when
>you get a chance. Thanks to all who have emailed feedback to me since the
>last posting of the tune!
>
>As always there are many other looping tunes on my 'music' / 'listen' page:
>
>Other looping compositions on my 'listen' page include;
>
>Trk 7 - on the 'she' cd
>Trks 1 & 4 - on the 'LIVE' cd
>Most the 'Rinsing Out The Turtle' cd - trks 2, 4, 5, 7, 8 & 11
>Trk 7 - on the 'Passion For Discovery' cd
>All of 'Live At The Ritz' (I will have all the tunes posted to stream this
>week. This is a FUN show!)
>
>Thanks for keeping it in the Loop...
>
>peace and love peace and love peace and love peace and love
>
>Jimmy George
>http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com
>http://www.jimmygeorgeband.com
>
>


---

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-Then, anything is possible..."  

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hi oj

probably you're the first "lurker" in this newsgroup ... ;-) ... it 
seems usual in this newsgroup to start with a big tratise 'bout led 
zeppelin and then start the endless loop of "unsubscribe","get me out of 
this list", "god d*η%&η* -remove now" &&&
but the loop community (thank god) doesn't seem much fundamental about 
all this looping stuff.
(... in fact THEY ARE fundamental with OT ... ;-)))

no, no, porfavor, not again ....

you're work sounds quite interesting ... are there any mp3?

& don't look forward to the new 3.0 ghz processors ... buy a g4 & 
max/msp and you'll be happy 'till you get old and wise.  (... oh, no, 
not OT again ...)

saludos, realjesus
www.real-jesus.net <http://www.real-jesus.net>

ps. i think i'm lurking for years on this list    =8-))





oj222@btopenworld.com schrieb:

>Hello everyone, 
>
>I have been lurking on this list for a while and enjoying all subject matter (the OT stuff as well). 
>I was actually wondering if I am actually a looper or not, because my set up is quite different from most of the people on this list. 
>I have been using a Laptop and Reaktor to create improvised music. My laptop is not quite a high enough spec to use live inputs to get loops from my guitar or bass. so I record these bits up front as well as other sounds (sometime using a 30 sec memo recorder on my wrist watch). 
>I then use one of the reaktor samplers to chop up these loops in realtime and sequence the loops using two step sequencers - one controlling individual sample hits and the other controlling loops of hits. both the step sequencers have a probability factor on each step so that the probability of the hit (or loop fragment) firing can be controlled. I use a pseudo random number to control the probability, but hopefully in my next version I'll resample the resulting loops and use those to control the probability. 
>One of the effects I can create with this is to create a drum track that has random fills, so I can leave the drums free to do their stuff while I manipulate other samplers (sorry drummers). 
>I'm looking forward to the new 3.0 ghz processors to come out so I can record the input live - then i'll be straight down to toy store! 
>
>Cheers 
>OJ 
>
>www.TheJupiter8.com 
>
>
>
>
>.
>
>  
>


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hi oj<br>
<br>
probably you're the first "lurker" in this newsgroup ... ;-) ... it seems
usual in this newsgroup to start with a big tratise 'bout led zeppelin and
then start the endless loop of "unsubscribe","get me out of this list", "god
d*&ccedil;%&amp;&ccedil;* -remove now" &amp;&amp;&amp;<br>
but the loop community (thank god) doesn't seem much fundamental about all
this looping stuff.<br>
(... in fact THEY ARE fundamental with OT ... ;-)))<br>
<br>
no, no, porfavor, not again ....<br>
<br>
you're work sounds quite interesting ... are there any mp3?<br>
<br>
&amp; don't look forward to the new 3.0 ghz processors ... buy a g4 &amp;
max/msp and you'll be happy 'till you get old and wise. &nbsp;(... oh, no, not
OT again ...)<br>
<br>
saludos, realjesus<br>
<a href="http://www.real-jesus.net">www.real-jesus.net</a><br>
<br>
ps. i think i'm lurking for years on this list &nbsp; &nbsp;=8-))<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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  <pre wrap="">Hello everyone, 

I have been lurking on this list for a while and enjoying all subject matter (the OT stuff as well). 
I was actually wondering if I am actually a looper or not, because my set up is quite different from most of the people on this list. 
I have been using a Laptop and Reaktor to create improvised music. My laptop is not quite a high enough spec to use live inputs to get loops from my guitar or bass. so I record these bits up front as well as other sounds (sometime using a 30 sec memo recorder on my wrist watch). 
I then use one of the reaktor samplers to chop up these loops in realtime and sequence the loops using two step sequencers - one controlling individual sample hits and the other controlling loops of hits. both the step sequencers have a probability factor on each step so that the probability of the hit (or loop fragment) firing can be controlled. I use a pseudo random number to control the probability, but hopefully in my next version I'll resample the resulting loops and use those to control the probability. 
One of the effects I can create with this is to create a drum track that has random fills, so I can leave the drums free to do their stuff while I manipulate other samplers (sorry drummers). 
I'm looking forward to the new 3.0 ghz processors to come out so I can record the input live - then i'll be straight down to toy store! 

Cheers 
OJ 

<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.TheJupiter8.com">www.TheJupiter8.com</a> 




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Long time lurker here.  Thought I'd chime in on this
to set the record straight with the FCB1010.

The FCB1010 since software revision 2.2, I believe (it
could have been 2.1), is able to send two CC messages
per footswitch.  This means you can cycle through the
two CC messages by pressing a footswitch.  However,
this seems to be limited to two different values for
the same CC number.  Example: footswitch 6 is set up
to sent CC 4 value=0 and CC 4 value=127.  First press
sends 0 out for CC 4, the second press sends out a
value of 127 for CC 4.  You can also put in a program
change message to go out with the second press, but
I'm not certain how useful that can be.

Any, I use the FCB1010 to control my Echo Pro and Time
Machine (via the analog switches) and get excellent
results.  Once I get a moment, I plan on writing about
the Echo Pro a little as a looper because it seems to
not get a lot of attention here.  But that's another
thread.

Glad to finally have joined the fray!

Regards,
Rich




--- Mark Hamburg <mark_hamburg@baymoon.com> wrote:
> I've used an FC-200 with the EDP. I have not used an
> FCB1010, but I've read
> a number of posts.
> 
> Unlike the FC-200, the FCB1010 won't transmit
> control messages at button up
> time or at least it wouldn't in the first software
> release. Hence, one has
> to use note messages to control the EDP with
> FCB1010. That, however, I
> gather does work.
> 
> I actually used an FC-200 to control two EDPs at
> once. It got a little
> confusing and would probably be a bit harder now
> with LoopIV and all of the
> direct MIDI commands.
> 
> Mark
> 
> on 2/3/03 10:31 PM, Goddess at
> thefates@earthlink.net wrote:
> 
> > Hey All, -couple of quickie questions...   First
> off, I'm assuming the
> > FCB 1010 is probably going to work out the best
> for use with the plex, but
> > I also have an FC-200 and was curious for feedback
> from anyone using either
> > of these to control the EDP.   -differences,
> -similarities, etc...
> > Also, since the FCB doesn't seem to be able to
> generate separate midi
> > data streams upon a pedal press and then a
> release, how are sus functions
> > accomplished?   I know the FC-200 can have a
> function happen only while a
> > pedal is pressed, but can the FCB?
> > Thanks for any insight anyone may have on this.  
> 


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You could use a programmable midi pedal that sends note on, connected to a simple
sound module. You would have to know ahead of time what notes you wanted to hold.

Sorceror777@aol.com wrote:

> thanks for all the responses so far!
> Anyway, to clarify something, I want a unit that has a pure "infinite"
> sustain/feedback function. The suggestions given involving loopers dont work,
> because this is for realtime (live playing, so software doesnt work either)
> application, and i dont have the time to create a bed of layers resulting in
> a final sustaining pedal point drone. I just want to play a note, STEP on a
> button, without having to hold it down, and have that note/chord drone. The
> cyclic nature of the guitar string doesnt bug me, its doesnt have to be a
> uniform sine wave drone (line a telephone dial tone), I just dont want to
> hear the loop-like/digital delay  'repeat' of the note/chord.
>
> In a message dated 2/3/03 3:57:47 PM, Sorceror777@aol.com writes:
>
> << Im looking for a unit that will allow me to play one note, hit a button on
> the floor once, and it will sample and hold that note continuously and
> uninterrupted without any hint of decay or repeated attacks. Something like a
> digital sustain pedal (for a guitar rig), that does not repeat the initial
> attack like a looper does, but will hold a continuous drone of the note I
> play when I activate the unit.
>
> Also I do not want to have to hold the pedal down to keep the note sounding,
> I want to be able to hit the button once, which makes the note sound
> uninterrupted for as long as I want, play whatever I want unaffected
> (echo-free), and then when Im sick of the background droning note, I hit the
> button once again to deactivate the unit.
>
> The unit may be a simple stompbox or a rackmount, as long as I can control
> the feature via footswitch.
>
> Anyone know of ANYTHING of this sort,
> thanks
> Jesse Malone
>
>  >>

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> Im looking for a unit that will allow me to play one note, hit a button on 
>  the floor once, and it will sample and hold that note continuously

Lexicon Vortex
 maybe Lexicon MPX 1 as well

if you can obtain/afford 

as someones already said, to need to fade into a loop
and fade out the input to the loop.
Not many devices automate this for you

andy butler  

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Hi everyone,

I'm working on a project where I'm doing a on-site sound installation for 
an art exhibit, and wanted some advice.

I have four 32 measure loops (done in DP3) and ideally, would like to have 
four speakers (one on each corner of the exhibit space) playing one loop 
each.  So that the person walking around the room would hear some 
combination of the loops, and when standing in the center of the room, 
would hear 4-part polyphony.

Can you advise me on the easiest way to set this up?  I have access to a 
MAC laptop, though I'd prefer not to leave it there for the week-- and I 
can scrounge around for a mixer and speakers.

Thanks in advance-- you guys have always been really helpful!

Ritsu

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Hi Cara
(we're missing you at TLC)

>  Hey All, -couple of quickie questions...   First off, I'm assuming the
>  FCB 1010 is probably going to work out the best for use with the plex, but
>  I also have an FC-200 and was curious for feedback from anyone using either
>  of these to control the EDP.   -differences, -similarities, etc...  

FC-200 has a wierd limitations on its Note-On function
(kind of a compulsory keyboard layout)

so no good for EDPing with Note-Ons

Maybe you could get it to work with CCs,
you'd have to program the "Note-Off" cc value on pedal
release, if that's possible.

I think the FC200 only does EITHER/OR for CC and progchange,
not both at once, but then I'm not sure.

I also thought maybe the FC200 only used one MIDI channel

...but I've only been through the manual in a music shop, so
only really remember that it soon became clear that it wasn't
worth considering over the FCB1010 (about 3x the price)

...as you have one already though!

please let us all know how you get on
 
>    Also, since the FCB doesn't seem to be able to generate separate midi
>  data streams upon a pedal press and then a release, how are sus functions
>  accomplished?   

use Note-On/Off 

essential for any EDP function that isn't a long press of the button

andy butler

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Listmember Richard Zvonar did this at the Ought-1
Festival <http://ought-one.com/> with 8 speakers for
his installation of frog and cricket sounds (called
"Fricket" if my memory is at all accurate).

-t-

--- Ritsu Katsumata <rk93@cornell.edu> wrote:
>a project where I'm doing a on-site
> sound installation for 
> an art exhibit, and ... would like to have 
> four speakers (one on each corner of the exhibit
> space) playing one loop 
> each.  So that the person walking around the room
> would hear some 
> combination of the loops, and when standing in the
> center of the room, 
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FC-200: Only one MIDI channel (though it is assignable). Note data fixed
into a keyboard layout makes it tricky to use as a controller. But, you can
assign control numbers in controller mode (which is exclusive of program
change and note modes) and have it transmit one Value=127 when you press the
pedal and Value=0 when you release.

FCB1010 (as I understand it): Lots more flexibility in configuration, but
the only message that can be transmitted on pedal release is note off so you
have to use note data to control the EDP. This isn't necessarily a problem
any more than that you have to use control messages with the FC-200, but it
is a constraint in the configuration.

[ My interpretation of Sam's message is that the FCB1010 can alternate two
control messages on separate presses, but that it doesn't send one message
on press and another on release. ]

The best feature of the FC-200 given its configuration constraints has
little to do with the EDP. It's that it supports a bunch of expression
pedals if you are fond of continuous controllers.

Mark

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Dennis,

 I guess I was unclear as to what I meant... I was thinking about adding
the ability to 'compress'/'decompress' the audio before/after the delay...
This would create the same colourizing of the audio...

peace
-cpr

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>
>> After doing this
>> I thought about creating a standalone piece of software for doing it,
but,
>> well, it's one of those projects that was never compelling enough to
>complete...
>> But, now that I am rambling about it, maybe I should see about adding
>something
>> like this to AmbiLoop.. (chris M?!?!? hehe) :)
>
>Let me encourage you, Chris and Chris!  Do it!
>
>We can have nightly loop festivals around the globe!  How about 24-hours
>of
>global looping?!
>
>One thing with looping - you never know where it will lead...
>
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Hey guys,

I was hoping you might be able to help me out here. My main resource
buddy is gone on a retreat and I've got a USO tour fast approaching
(March 11) and could use some help.

I'm trying to get my EDP up and running with my PMC10. I've programmed
in Record, Overdub, Multiply, Mute and Undo but I am having these
problems.

 

1) One problem I am having is getting the long press of the button for
the record function of the EDP to work. I've got it so it triggers
record and turns off but when you go for the long press to erase the
loop it doesn't do anything.

 

2) Also every first time I press the record button it stops after 2
seconds then the next time you press it will record normally.

 

3) The mute switch won't shut off after you have engaged it.

 

 4) I bought this unit used (obviously) and I'm wondering if there is a
way to bulk erase everything that was previously programmed so I would
be starting from scratch?...and if that sounds like a good idea?

 

My goal is just to get the basic footswitch functions going and then
program patch changes for my other gear (synths, EFX, POD).

 

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Just finally getting a chance to post following an eventful week.  We had a
very successful and satisfying two days of loop music last week!!  Woohoo!!
Thanks to all of the performers and everyone who helped pull this off!
Frankly, I had a blast ... and learned a lot.

January 30, 2003
Michael LaMeyer
My birthday and first live looping performance, a very fun and crazy day for
me.  I'll leave an objective review for others to make, although I will say
that I'm not sure at all that I want to let the dat of this out into the
public ;-)  I found the video more interesting, particularily the footage at
the end where I accidentally turned on the metronome on my Repeater (which,
as any Repeater owner will know, produces a very loud and distinct click
track).  I had to freeze frame the footage to get a good gander of the look
on my face when I looked over at Peter behind the board with the most
wonderful WTF?!?! expression, guitar pick in mouth and all.  That had me
laughing and crying for a good long time.  I also apparently went well over
my time allotment, I was quite a flake that day ... sorry guys. :-\

Jon Wobesky with Jonathan Byerly
I thoughoughly enjoyed this exploration ... these two brought two suitcases
of toys plus bass, sax, and sundry for a found sound salad the likes of
which I haven't heard since I saw Rick's day-glo shenanigans ... and I don't
anyone there had seen a barbie doll used quite like that before ;-)

Ghost7 (Dan Soltzberg)
Unfortunately I only caught the last portion of Dan's solo bass looping set
as I had to strike my rig and drop it off at home, so Jeff or Peter or
someone else will need to give a more informed description.  But what I
caught was a lot of fun.  Dan was really into exploring the range of tones
he could get out of his intrument, bass burbles, overdriven lead,
scatch-n-slide bass-as-sound-installation ... I'd like to hear more, so good
thing for me that he plays locally.

Dave Dunbar
Peter got to get out from behind the board and sit down, as Dave REALLY
didn't need any amplification from us! ;-)  I think the most apt description
I heard of his set was "fluttering kettlestorms".  Dave played solo electric
guitar through sundry pedals + boomerang into two amps (a musicman and ... I
can't remember the other) and had us laughing aloud in delight as he threw
wailing, pitch-shifted, pan-tremeloed layers of really peaky guitar around
the room.  People were laughing outloud in delight as we all covered out
ears and looked about in shock at the way Dave was moving the air around.  A
perfect closer for the first night.

Unfortunately, I didn't find the dat's I bought for the shows until Friday,
and all I had were 4 30 minute dats I scrounged up at the last minute for
Thursday.  We have complete DV footage of the shows (multiple footage
actually), but I think all of Thursday's performances didn't fit on the
tapes. :-(  Friday I had my shit together better, found my tapes, and got
complete audio of day 2.

January 31, 2003
David Kirkdorfer/UNDO
Right away we were treated to some delicious looping from David.  One member
of the audience that I spoke with, who was just getting introduced to
looping via our show, was plainly struck by the metaphor of looping as
'painting with sound' during David's set (and she'd never even heard of
David Torn's instructional video! ;-), she remarked that watching him play
was a very similar experience for her to watching someone paint.  Melodic
swells intermingled with gated, percusive beds, and transformed into a
blazing anthem when Jonathan LaMaster joined David on stage for a brief duo
before a segue into his own set.  We also caught some of David and
Jonathan's sound check on tape, which was some beautiful stuff, idle or not.
I only regret that I misprounounced his last name in the introduction ...
(sorry David)

Jonathan LaMaster
Jonathan began his set looping a 6-string electric violin (I'm pretty sure
there's a real name for this intrument, but I never caught what it was
called) and this sounded just gorgeous to me.  I thought I caught both
celtic and eastern european?/middle-eastern? motifs in his playing, but I'm
not necessarily an informed opinon here, Jonathan? Am I making this up? ;-)
He interspersed his bowed string looping with some subtle, atmospheric
electric guitar looping and singing in a more traditional song format
(imagine that at a looping show! ;-).  He closed with a piece performed on a
BOSS sample toy with pre-reorded loops featuring vocal snippets of the
leader of our country.  It was great to hear the diversity.

Notnoise vs. Repeatpeak (Philip Lampe and Michael Haumesser)
Absolutely gorgeous set.  This was definitely one of the highlights for me.
I'd heard Philip play before but he and Michael just blended perfectly
together.  It was very difficult to determine who was orginating some of the
tones.  Philip played Audiomulch and an acoustic sitar processed through a
VG-8!!!  Far out is all I have to say.  Michael had an array of keyboards
and pedals, and ALSO played guitar.  I could see his EDP, but I'm not at all
certain if he wasn't looping with anything else.  An apparent MIDI routing
issue at one point did little to distract from the performance from me.  A
blissful set.

RandomSalt (Jeffrey Lomas)
Boston Loopfest list-serv master and one of the three folks central to
putting this all together, Jeff did a solo acoustic guitar set looping a
REALLY nice Taylor and a handful of acoustic percussion through an EDP and
put on a really animated show (unfortunately, my DV ran out of tape, so I
didn't get any of his set on video, but at least I had plenty of DAT tapes
... if it ain't one thing ...) A perfect way to end the 2nd night!

Peter, Jeff, and I are catching up this week to do a post loopfest follow
up, collect as much of the media as we can so we can burn some copies for
the artists, and talk about what's next.  It sounds like we have a good
chance to get a regular thing happening at the Zeitgeist and we'll be sure
to let you know what's up with that.  Also, if anyone wants to help us out
with such an endeavor, Jeff's got an email address you can send to:
loopme@randomsalt.com

Thanks again to everyone who showed up to play and/or listen!!  Looking
forward to the next one ...

Love,

Mike


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Thanks for the interesting review, Michael, wish I coulda been there.  So many
looping festivals going on these days, how exciting!

I was astounded by the mention of Jonathan LaMaster, he's an ex-bandmate of mine
that I haven't heard from in years.  Is he on the list?

Another blast from the past...I just now realized that Douglas Baldwin was my
introduction to looping, some 12 or 13 (or even more, maybe) years ago.  I was
living in Lancaster, PA at the time, and happened to see a Frippertronic set
with him and another looper, I can't recall his name.  I had NO idea what was
going on, but I loved it, and bought a cassette of "the Long Dance", which I've
kept with me through 7 or 8 moves, no small effort.  Just now I made the
connection...I have to thank you, Douglas!

Daryl Shawn
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> Jonathan LaMaster
> Jonathan began his set looping a 6-string electric violin (I'm pretty sure
> there's a real name for this intrument, but I never caught what it was
> called) and this sounded just gorgeous to me.  I thought I caught both
> celtic and eastern european?/middle-eastern? motifs in his playing, but I'm
> not necessarily an informed opinon here, Jonathan? Am I making this up? ;-)

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In a message dated 2/4/03 7:52:14 AM, psychle62@yahoo.com writes:

Ritsu Katsumata <rk93@cornell.edu> wrote:

>A project where I'm doing a on-site sound installation for 
>an art exhibit, and ... would like to have four speakers 
>(one on each corner of the exhibit space) playing one  
>loop each.  So that the person walking around the room
>would hear some combination of the loops, and when 
>standing in the center of the room, would hear 4-part 
>polyphony.

I did something like this also in 1991 for a gallery 
installation in Southern California called "Voices"
at Art City II in Ventura.

tEd � kiLLiAn

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> I have four 32 measure loops (done in DP3) and ideally, would like to have
> four speakers (one on each corner of the exhibit space) playing one loop
> each.  So that the person walking around the room would hear some
> combination of the loops, and when standing in the center of the room,
> would hear 4-part polyphony.
>
> Can you advise me on the easiest way to set this up?  I have access to a
> MAC laptop, though I'd prefer not to leave it there for the week-- and I
> can scrounge around for a mixer and speakers.

Do you want the loops to remain synchronized?  Or can you tolerate them
drifting apart?

Dennis Leas
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Oops!  I did mis-understand!

Dennis Leas
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> Dennis,
>
>  I guess I was unclear as to what I meant... I was thinking about adding
> the ability to 'compress'/'decompress' the audio before/after the delay...
> This would create the same colourizing of the audio...
>
> peace
> -cpr


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>>Any thoughts on what I should check out ?

I recently became more aware of the power of parametric EQ's, having
encountered and bought an old Pendulum preamp.

By coincidence, I saw an item at American Musical Supply that might interest
you. It appears to be an inexpensive paramteric eq for bass. Might be what
you need?  ( see:   http://www.americanmusical.com  )

"Yamaha NE-1 Nathan East Signature Parametric EQ"  - $49.95

(I found it again just now by searching for 'parametric', it was at the
bottom of the list, the only non-rackmount item)

http://www.americanmusical.com/item.asp?UID=2003011512092030&menu=&keyword=&
item=YAM+NE1

Bob


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> Hello loopaz...
>
> This one is geared at all of you EQ and tone freaks
> out there (like myself).  I have a bass that has a
> wonderful slap sound, but the fingerstyle sound leaves
> a bit to be desired in the Midrange band.  I'm
> hesitant to alter anything on the bass in fear of
> losing its truly unique slap sound so I'm thinking a
> moderately priced solution could be to grab some sort
> of EQ pedal or preamp that has really nice, vibrant,
> warm mids.
>
> Any thoughts on what I should check out.  It would be
> optimum for this device to give me full EQ control and
> a bit of a volume boost when needed, but I'm primarily
> concerned with a solid midrange.
>
> Any and all help is very appreciated!
>
> Peace and bass...
> ~e va n
> evanmeyers@yahoo.com
>
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BTW, I accedentally reveresed the order of the below:

Notnoise = Michael Haumesser
Repeatpeak = Philip Lampe

Sorry, a little obsessive detail there ...

Mike

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael LaMeyer [mailto:m.lameyer@verizon.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 2:00 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: BOSTON LOOPFEST
> 
> 
> Just finally getting a chance to post following an eventful 
> week.  We had a
> very successful and satisfying two days of loop music last 
> week!!  Woohoo!!
> Thanks to all of the performers and everyone who helped pull this off!
> Frankly, I had a blast ... and learned a lot.
> 
> January 30, 2003
> Michael LaMeyer
> My birthday and first live looping performance, a very fun 
> and crazy day for
> me.  I'll leave an objective review for others to make, 
> although I will say
> that I'm not sure at all that I want to let the dat of this 
> out into the
> public ;-)  I found the video more interesting, particularily 
> the footage at
> the end where I accidentally turned on the metronome on my 
> Repeater (which,
> as any Repeater owner will know, produces a very loud and 
> distinct click
> track).  I had to freeze frame the footage to get a good 
> gander of the look
> on my face when I looked over at Peter behind the board with the most
> wonderful WTF?!?! expression, guitar pick in mouth and all.  
> That had me
> laughing and crying for a good long time.  I also apparently 
> went well over
> my time allotment, I was quite a flake that day ... sorry guys. :-\
> 
> Jon Wobesky with Jonathan Byerly
> I thoughoughly enjoyed this exploration ... these two brought 
> two suitcases
> of toys plus bass, sax, and sundry for a found sound salad 
> the likes of
> which I haven't heard since I saw Rick's day-glo shenanigans 
> ... and I don't
> anyone there had seen a barbie doll used quite like that before ;-)
> 
> Ghost7 (Dan Soltzberg)
> Unfortunately I only caught the last portion of Dan's solo 
> bass looping set
> as I had to strike my rig and drop it off at home, so Jeff or Peter or
> someone else will need to give a more informed description.  
> But what I
> caught was a lot of fun.  Dan was really into exploring the 
> range of tones
> he could get out of his intrument, bass burbles, overdriven lead,
> scatch-n-slide bass-as-sound-installation ... I'd like to 
> hear more, so good
> thing for me that he plays locally.
> 
> Dave Dunbar
> Peter got to get out from behind the board and sit down, as 
> Dave REALLY
> didn't need any amplification from us! ;-)  I think the most 
> apt description
> I heard of his set was "fluttering kettlestorms".  Dave 
> played solo electric
> guitar through sundry pedals + boomerang into two amps (a 
> musicman and ... I
> can't remember the other) and had us laughing aloud in 
> delight as he threw
> wailing, pitch-shifted, pan-tremeloed layers of really peaky 
> guitar around
> the room.  People were laughing outloud in delight as we all 
> covered out
> ears and looked about in shock at the way Dave was moving the 
> air around.  A
> perfect closer for the first night.
> 
> Unfortunately, I didn't find the dat's I bought for the shows 
> until Friday,
> and all I had were 4 30 minute dats I scrounged up at the 
> last minute for
> Thursday.  We have complete DV footage of the shows (multiple footage
> actually), but I think all of Thursday's performances didn't 
> fit on the
> tapes. :-(  Friday I had my shit together better, found my 
> tapes, and got
> complete audio of day 2.
> 
> January 31, 2003
> David Kirkdorfer/UNDO
> Right away we were treated to some delicious looping from 
> David.  One member
> of the audience that I spoke with, who was just getting introduced to
> looping via our show, was plainly struck by the metaphor of looping as
> 'painting with sound' during David's set (and she'd never 
> even heard of
> David Torn's instructional video! ;-), she remarked that 
> watching him play
> was a very similar experience for her to watching someone 
> paint.  Melodic
> swells intermingled with gated, percusive beds, and transformed into a
> blazing anthem when Jonathan LaMaster joined David on stage 
> for a brief duo
> before a segue into his own set.  We also caught some of David and
> Jonathan's sound check on tape, which was some beautiful 
> stuff, idle or not.
> I only regret that I misprounounced his last name in the 
> introduction ...
> (sorry David)
> 
> Jonathan LaMaster
> Jonathan began his set looping a 6-string electric violin 
> (I'm pretty sure
> there's a real name for this intrument, but I never caught what it was
> called) and this sounded just gorgeous to me.  I thought I caught both
> celtic and eastern european?/middle-eastern? motifs in his 
> playing, but I'm
> not necessarily an informed opinon here, Jonathan? Am I 
> making this up? ;-)
> He interspersed his bowed string looping with some subtle, atmospheric
> electric guitar looping and singing in a more traditional song format
> (imagine that at a looping show! ;-).  He closed with a piece 
> performed on a
> BOSS sample toy with pre-reorded loops featuring vocal snippets of the
> leader of our country.  It was great to hear the diversity.
> 
> Notnoise vs. Repeatpeak (Philip Lampe and Michael Haumesser)
> Absolutely gorgeous set.  This was definitely one of the 
> highlights for me.
> I'd heard Philip play before but he and Michael just blended perfectly
> together.  It was very difficult to determine who was 
> orginating some of the
> tones.  Philip played Audiomulch and an acoustic sitar 
> processed through a
> VG-8!!!  Far out is all I have to say.  Michael had an array 
> of keyboards
> and pedals, and ALSO played guitar.  I could see his EDP, but 
> I'm not at all
> certain if he wasn't looping with anything else.  An apparent 
> MIDI routing
> issue at one point did little to distract from the 
> performance from me.  A
> blissful set.
> 
> RandomSalt (Jeffrey Lomas)
> Boston Loopfest list-serv master and one of the three folks central to
> putting this all together, Jeff did a solo acoustic guitar 
> set looping a
> REALLY nice Taylor and a handful of acoustic percussion 
> through an EDP and
> put on a really animated show (unfortunately, my DV ran out 
> of tape, so I
> didn't get any of his set on video, but at least I had plenty 
> of DAT tapes
> ... if it ain't one thing ...) A perfect way to end the 2nd night!
> 
> Peter, Jeff, and I are catching up this week to do a post 
> loopfest follow
> up, collect as much of the media as we can so we can burn 
> some copies for
> the artists, and talk about what's next.  It sounds like we 
> have a good
> chance to get a regular thing happening at the Zeitgeist and 
> we'll be sure
> to let you know what's up with that.  Also, if anyone wants 
> to help us out
> with such an endeavor, Jeff's got an email address you can send to:
> loopme@randomsalt.com
> 
> Thanks again to everyone who showed up to play and/or 
> listen!!  Looking
> forward to the next one ...
> 
> Love,
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 

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Ha ahahaa.  Now everyone knows you've got my powersupply under your
pillow.  Give it a little kiss for me, and I'll come pick it up as soon
as I dig my way out from this giantic mess I've created.

MOVING SUCKS.

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>
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> > hey, tom is here and i snagged your power supply
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> >
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Hi,

I have posted on this subject before but am still looking for what I need
and could do with a bit of help.

I'm looking for a good MIDI foot controller with just one row of
well-spaced foot switches - with or without a pedal. This is because I have
very little eye sight and can't hit the double-row controllers with any
degree of accuracy. I posted a couple of weeks ago about the Philip Rees
MM5 (now discontinued) but guess that nobody on the list has experience of
using it. I've checked out as many makes and models as I can find but they
all now seem to have two rows - Yamaha, Roland, Behringer, Digitech, Zoom,
Rocktron, Peavey(?)...

I use a MIDI Wind controller with a couple of modules, a synth with
arpegiator and fx units and am saving for an EDP (I currently use a trusty
DL4) -. I need/want to be able to send MIDI clock, prog changes, set up
drones, start/stop arpegiator and transmit chord info to arpegiator, + in
the future control the EDP. If I can't do all these things, my access to a
pedalboard is more important to me than features - some of em would be
better than none.

Any advice would be very helpful.

Thanks.

Ian.



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>> ...a good MIDI foot controller with just one row

I would consider using the FCB1010 anyway, and just forget about the
upper/rear row of foot switches. Put some kind of barrier over them to
prevent tactile confusion with the lower/front row. The unit is well built,
very inexpensive (and even cheaper on Ebay), and has a very active yahoo
group with hundreds of members.

Half the yahoo list chatter is about how confusing the manual is, granted :)

But still, it is a good unit. Behringer has updated the firmware several
times since the unit was released so that bodes well for continuing support.

Bob



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Subject: MIDI Foot controllers


> Hi,
>
> I have posted on this subject before but am still looking for what I need
> and could do with a bit of help.
>
> I'm looking for a good MIDI foot controller with just one row of
> well-spaced foot switches - with or without a pedal. This is because I
have
> very little eye sight and can't hit the double-row controllers with any
> degree of accuracy. I posted a couple of weeks ago about the Philip Rees
> MM5 (now discontinued) but guess that nobody on the list has experience of
> using it. I've checked out as many makes and models as I can find but they
> all now seem to have two rows - Yamaha, Roland, Behringer, Digitech, Zoom,
> Rocktron, Peavey(?)...
>
> I use a MIDI Wind controller with a couple of modules, a synth with
> arpegiator and fx units and am saving for an EDP (I currently use a trusty
> DL4) -. I need/want to be able to send MIDI clock, prog changes, set up
> drones, start/stop arpegiator and transmit chord info to arpegiator, + in
> the future control the EDP. If I can't do all these things, my access to a
> pedalboard is more important to me than features - some of em would be
> better than none.
>
> Any advice would be very helpful.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ian.
>
>
>

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I may be wrong, but I think the old Scholz Rockman
midi pedal had one row...

Here's a list of specs on all kinds of switchers:
<http://www.amptone.com/switchers.htm>

-t-

--- Ian Popperwell <popperwell@iname.com> wrote:
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> just one row of
> well-spaced foot switches - with or without a pedal.

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On Tuesday, February 4, 2003, at 10:23 PM, Ian Popperwell wrote:

> I'm looking for a good MIDI foot controller with just one row of
> well-spaced foot switches - with or without a pedal. This is because I 
> have
> very little eye sight and can't hit the double-row controllers with any
> degree of accuracy.

The lack of replies from your previous post was probably due to 
everyone (like myself) not having a clue what to suggest. There are 
very few midi pedal boards within a reasonable price-range, and all of 
the ones that have sufficient programming power are double row switches 
(at least to my knowledge).

You'll probably have to customise/build something to your own needs. To 
get you on the right track, the Roland FC200 has 6 inputs in the back 
of it where you can attach external footpedals or controllers, and can 
assign them to various PC controls - however, the FC200 does not allow 
CC messages and is limited to PC messages of 1-99.... (I don't know the 
midi specs of the EDP, but this pedal was totally useless to control 
the Repeater).

Does anyone on the list know of a midi box, similar to an electronic 
drum master hub that has a number of inputs whereby Ian can customise 
his own pedal board? I've tried googling for information, but have come 
up with nothing.

Just an idea.... good luck :)
-- 
Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com

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ADA made (makes?) a couple of them.  The MC-1 is similiar in size and shape to
the EDP pedalboard, with 10 small switches in a long row.  They also made one
that had a single row of 5 switches, but had really nice big, round buttons.
However, neither of these offered programming capabilities I don't think.

Daryl Shawn
highhorse@mhorse.com


> >> ...a good MIDI foot controller with just one row
>

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Ian,

You should look for an old ADA controller.  They had a
few as far as I know: one with four buttons stacked
two per row, and another that had I think six buttons
that were all in one row with quite a bit of space
inbetween.  Both had large, red buttons which may be
helpful for you and your vision.


--- Ian Popperwell <popperwell@iname.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have posted on this subject before but am still
> looking for what I need
> and could do with a bit of help.
> 
> I'm looking for a good MIDI foot controller with
> just one row of
> well-spaced foot switches - with or without a pedal.
> This is because I have
> very little eye sight and can't hit the double-row
> controllers with any
> degree of accuracy. I posted a couple of weeks ago
> about the Philip Rees
> MM5 (now discontinued) but guess that nobody on the
> list has experience of
> using it. I've checked out as many makes and models
> as I can find but they
> all now seem to have two rows - Yamaha, Roland,
> Behringer, Digitech, Zoom,
> Rocktron, Peavey(?)...
> 
> I use a MIDI Wind controller with a couple of
> modules, a synth with
> arpegiator and fx units and am saving for an EDP (I
> currently use a trusty
> DL4) -. I need/want to be able to send MIDI clock,
> prog changes, set up
> drones, start/stop arpegiator and transmit chord
> info to arpegiator, + in
> the future control the EDP. If I can't do all these
> things, my access to a
> pedalboard is more important to me than features -
> some of em would be
> better than none.
> 
> Any advice would be very helpful.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Ian.
> 
> 
> 


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I just want to add the according the the FCB1010
manual you can set it up to send note off messages,
however I have no experience in using this function so
can say little more about it.  I would expect, though,
that it's implemented the way the MIDI spec originally
intended it: to send the note off message when the
pedal is released.

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have you tried the digital corp ground control?
http://www.guitargeek.com/gearview/35/ the ernie ball passive volume pedal
is also a nice addition...

bol
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> Hi,
>
> I have posted on this subject before but am still looking for what I need
> and could do with a bit of help.
>
> I'm looking for a good MIDI foot controller with just one row of
> well-spaced foot switches - with or without a pedal. This is because I
have
> very little eye sight and can't hit the double-row controllers with any
> degree of accuracy. I posted a couple of weeks ago about the Philip Rees
> MM5 (now discontinued) but guess that nobody on the list has experience of
> using it. I've checked out as many makes and models as I can find but they
> all now seem to have two rows - Yamaha, Roland, Behringer, Digitech, Zoom,
> Rocktron, Peavey(?)...
>
> I use a MIDI Wind controller with a couple of modules, a synth with
> arpegiator and fx units and am saving for an EDP (I currently use a trusty
> DL4) -. I need/want to be able to send MIDI clock, prog changes, set up
> drones, start/stop arpegiator and transmit chord info to arpegiator, + in
> the future control the EDP. If I can't do all these things, my access to a
> pedalboard is more important to me than features - some of em would be
> better than none.
>
> Any advice would be very helpful.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ian.
>
>
>
>

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"Net Helps Folkies Play Home Gigs "
http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,57534,00.html?tw=wn_ascii

Why not for Loopies?

Best wishes

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Sounds like fun, I'll try to make your Denver show.  I live in Lafayette.
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Sounds like fun, I'll try to make your Denver show.  I live in Lafayette.
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  Hey Ian, I'm also visually impaired, and have run into this issue before.
  I end up using double rows anyway though, because I'm so damned picky!
lol!   I like using alot of different sounds and such.  
  Anyway, which FC's have you had experience with before?   What features
or functions  are you wanting to control?   Does it need to be midi?   A
friend was nice enough to create a couple of custom controllers for this
last loop fest in Palo Alto,  and you can also replace the switches in the
EDP foot controller with more positive ones which will trigger easily
enough, but not unless you want them to.  They can also have a higher
profile.   
  Anyway, please don't  hesitate to send along any other questions or
concerns ya might have.   I'd be delighted to help out if I can...   

Smiles,

Cara

At 09:23 PM 2/4/03 +0000, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I have posted on this subject before but am still looking for what I need
>and could do with a bit of help.
>
>I'm looking for a good MIDI foot controller with just one row of
>well-spaced foot switches - with or without a pedal. This is because I have
>very little eye sight and can't hit the double-row controllers with any
>degree of accuracy. I posted a couple of weeks ago about the Philip Rees
>MM5 (now discontinued) but guess that nobody on the list has experience of
>using it. I've checked out as many makes and models as I can find but they
>all now seem to have two rows - Yamaha, Roland, Behringer, Digitech, Zoom,
>Rocktron, Peavey(?)...
>
>I use a MIDI Wind controller with a couple of modules, a synth with
>arpegiator and fx units and am saving for an EDP (I currently use a trusty
>DL4) -. I need/want to be able to send MIDI clock, prog changes, set up
>drones, start/stop arpegiator and transmit chord info to arpegiator, + in
>the future control the EDP. If I can't do all these things, my access to a
>pedalboard is more important to me than features - some of em would be
>better than none.
>
>Any advice would be very helpful.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Ian.
>
>
>
>


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  Hey Andy, thanks, I'm still there, but am still also decompressing from
the tour craziness in Cali.  
  Yes, was thinking I will probably need to use note messages with the plex
at this point, unless I can find a PMC-10, which I'll probably try to do
soon...   Thanks again...   Have a great day!...   

Smiles,

Cara

At 10:46 AM 2/4/03 EST, you wrote:
>Hi Cara
>(we're missing you at TLC)
>
>>  Hey All, -couple of quickie questions...   First off, I'm assuming the
>>  FCB 1010 is probably going to work out the best for use with the plex, but
>>  I also have an FC-200 and was curious for feedback from anyone using
either
>>  of these to control the EDP.   -differences, -similarities, etc...  
>
>FC-200 has a wierd limitations on its Note-On function
>(kind of a compulsory keyboard layout)
>
>so no good for EDPing with Note-Ons
>
>Maybe you could get it to work with CCs,
>you'd have to program the "Note-Off" cc value on pedal
>release, if that's possible.
>
>I think the FC200 only does EITHER/OR for CC and progchange,
>not both at once, but then I'm not sure.
>
>I also thought maybe the FC200 only used one MIDI channel
>
>...but I've only been through the manual in a music shop, so
>only really remember that it soon became clear that it wasn't
>worth considering over the FCB1010 (about 3x the price)
>
>...as you have one already though!
>
>please let us all know how you get on
> 
>>    Also, since the FCB doesn't seem to be able to generate separate midi
>>  data streams upon a pedal press and then a release, how are sus functions
>>  accomplished?   
>
>use Note-On/Off 
>
>essential for any EDP function that isn't a long press of the button
>
>andy butler
>
>


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hey great chris thanks for the note. if you can make it pls come introduce
yourself at the show if you can make it. pls also let me know when you are
playing around these areas.

peace to you,
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> Sounds like fun, I'll try to make your Denver show.  I live in Lafayette.
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Hi,

At the moment I have two Repeaters here, mine with OS 1.1 and one with
OS 1.0 that I just bought on behalf of a friend that lives 1000 km from
here. I would like to update the OS of the new one but I do not have,
and I do not wish to buy, a CFC reader. There must be a way to move the
system on my 16 mb CFC card to the new Repeater? 

(found no info at the Electrix web site)

Best wishes

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Mail the CFC to one of us- we will put the new OS on it and mail it back-
only way without a CFC r/w that I know of.

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You've probably got plenty of info by now...but I remembered that the single-row
unit with big buttons I mentioned earlier is made by ART.  It's called the ART
x-11; there are several on Ebay right now for cheap.

Daryl Shawn
highhorse@mhorse.com

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> Mail the CFC to one of us- we will put the new OS on it and 
> mail it back- only way without a CFC r/w that I know of.
> 
> Cliff

Thank's Cliff! I'll look around locally first. You know I could put the
update file on a CDR and go somewhere around here, bringing the CD and
my CFC card, and borrow a computer with a CFC reader for five minutes.
Since I'm in Sweden I guess it would take quite some time to mail the
card overseas.

Best wishes

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> By coincidence, I saw an item at American Musical
> Supply that might interest
> you. It appears to be an inexpensive paramteric eq
> for bass. Might be what
> you need?  ( see:   http://www.americanmusical.com 
> )
> 
> "Yamaha NE-1 Nathan East Signature Parametric EQ"  -
> $49.95

thanks!  i'll look into it!



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yep ... the flat isn't the problem
but its so hard to get a truck

;-)//rj

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>http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,57534,00.html?tw=wn_ascii
>
>Why not for Loopies?
>
>Best wishes
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The OS doesn't have to live on the card that's holding loops.  The
Repeater doesn't even need to have a CFC card in it to work.  Once the 1.1
OS is installed (it must be on your old Repeater's CFC card) you can take
it out and it should stay installed.  I'm not sure if you can then get it
from that Repeater to a new CFC card.

On the other hand, CFC readers are so cheap at this point, it would
probably be worth it in the long run to just get one.

Mark Sottilaro

Per Boysen wrote:

> > Mail the CFC to one of us- we will put the new OS on it and
> > mail it back- only way without a CFC r/w that I know of.
> >
> > Cliff
>
> Thank's Cliff! I'll look around locally first. You know I could put the
> update file on a CDR and go somewhere around here, bringing the CD and
> my CFC card, and borrow a computer with a CFC reader for five minutes.
> Since I'm in Sweden I guess it would take quite some time to mail the
> card overseas.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Per Boysen
> ________________
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> www.looproom.com --> 1st Swedish Looping Festival

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That is a good idea, and I've done what I call "salons" where a few
different musicians play.  The only part I seemed to forget is to charge
money!  I haven't done it in a while, as it takes more house/apt than I
can afford these days.

Mark

Per Boysen wrote:

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>
> Why not for Loopies?
>
> Best wishes
>
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Thank you. Yes, the idea of using external foot switches is a good one, I
didn't realise that any of the controllers had external inputs. I'll look into
it.

Ian.


At 21:40 04/02/03 , you wrote:
>
>On Tuesday, February 4, 2003, at 10:23 PM, Ian Popperwell wrote:
>
>> I'm looking for a good MIDI foot controller with just one row of
>> well-spaced foot switches - with or without a pedal. This is because I 
>> have
>> very little eye sight and can't hit the double-row controllers with any
>> degree of accuracy.
>
>The lack of replies from your previous post was probably due to 
>everyone (like myself) not having a clue what to suggest. There are 
>very few midi pedal boards within a reasonable price-range, and all of 
>the ones that have sufficient programming power are double row switches 
>(at least to my knowledge).
>
>You'll probably have to customise/build something to your own needs. To 
>get you on the right track, the Roland FC200 has 6 inputs in the back 
>of it where you can attach external footpedals or controllers, and can 
>assign them to various PC controls - however, the FC200 does not allow 
>CC messages and is limited to PC messages of 1-99.... (I don't know the 
>midi specs of the EDP, but this pedal was totally useless to control 
>the Repeater).
>
>Does anyone on the list know of a midi box, similar to an electronic 
>drum master hub that has a number of inputs whereby Ian can customise 
>his own pedal board? I've tried googling for information, but have come 
>up with nothing.
>
>Just an idea.... good luck :)
>-- 
>Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) -
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I have a ADA controller that looks exactly like the EDP footswitch.  It's very
simple.  Only transmitts program changes.  It worked fine for my JamMan.   I
haven't used it in years.  If anyone's interested I'd let it go for $50
including shipping in the US.

Mark Sottilaro

Goddess wrote:

>   Hey Ian, I'm also visually impaired, and have run into this issue before.
>   I end up using double rows anyway though, because I'm so damned picky!
> lol!   I like using alot of different sounds and such.
>   Anyway, which FC's have you had experience with before?   What features
> or functions  are you wanting to control?   Does it need to be midi?   A
> friend was nice enough to create a couple of custom controllers for this
> last loop fest in Palo Alto,  and you can also replace the switches in the
> EDP foot controller with more positive ones which will trigger easily
> enough, but not unless you want them to.  They can also have a higher
> profile.
>   Anyway, please don't  hesitate to send along any other questions or
> concerns ya might have.   I'd be delighted to help out if I can...
>
> Smiles,
>
> Cara
>
> At 09:23 PM 2/4/03 +0000, you wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >I have posted on this subject before but am still looking for what I need
> >and could do with a bit of help.
> >
> >I'm looking for a good MIDI foot controller with just one row of
> >well-spaced foot switches - with or without a pedal. This is because I have
> >very little eye sight and can't hit the double-row controllers with any
> >degree of accuracy. I posted a couple of weeks ago about the Philip Rees
> >MM5 (now discontinued) but guess that nobody on the list has experience of
> >using it. I've checked out as many makes and models as I can find but they
> >all now seem to have two rows - Yamaha, Roland, Behringer, Digitech, Zoom,
> >Rocktron, Peavey(?)...
> >
> >I use a MIDI Wind controller with a couple of modules, a synth with
> >arpegiator and fx units and am saving for an EDP (I currently use a trusty
> >DL4) -. I need/want to be able to send MIDI clock, prog changes, set up
> >drones, start/stop arpegiator and transmit chord info to arpegiator, + in
> >the future control the EDP. If I can't do all these things, my access to a
> >pedalboard is more important to me than features - some of em would be
> >better than none.
> >
> >Any advice would be very helpful.
> >
> >Thanks.
> >
> >Ian.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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yup, I've got the MC-1.  $50 get's it shipped to you anywhere in the continental
USA.

Mark Sottilaro

Daryl wrote:

> ADA made (makes?) a couple of them.  The MC-1 is similiar in size and shape to
> the EDP pedalboard, with 10 small switches in a long row.  They also made one
> that had a single row of 5 switches, but had really nice big, round buttons.
> However, neither of these offered programming capabilities I don't think.
>
> Daryl Shawn
> highhorse@mhorse.com
>
> > >> ...a good MIDI foot controller with just one row
> >

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Depending on your budget and midi needs, a custom solution could be built with multiple footswitch controller boxes: http://www.midisolutions.com/prodfsw.htm


At 11:21 PM 2003/02/04 +0000, Ian Popperwell wrote:
>Thank you. Yes, the idea of using external foot switches is a good one, I
>didn't realise that any of the controllers had external inputs. I'll look into
>it.

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--- Sorceror777@aol.com wrote:
> thanks for all the responses so far! 
> Anyway, to clarify something, I want a unit that has a pure "infinite" 
> sustain/feedback function. The suggestions given involving loopers dont work, 
> because this is for realtime (live playing, so software doesnt work either) 
> application, and i dont have the time to create a bed of layers resulting in 
> a final sustaining pedal point drone. I just want to play a note, STEP on a 
> button, without having to hold it down, and have that note/chord drone. The 
> cyclic nature of the guitar string doesnt bug me, its doesnt have to be a 
> uniform sine wave drone (line a telephone dial tone), I just dont want to 
> hear the loop-like/digital delay  'repeat' of the note/chord.

I don't see why most looping devices wouldn't be able to give you this (barring
restrictions like the minimum loop time the RC20 imposes). It'd just require some
technique on your part to press the buttons at the right time. I'd think a
procedure like this would work:

- Set your looper for 100% feedback
- Play your note
- After the initial attack is over, press record
- Press Play (or whatever stops record and initiates loop play) before the note
fades

You end up with a small loop with your note in it. Now, it may not be perfectly
seemless in terms of volume, etc, but it'll be that note.

You could also do it with an older delay that had a "hold" feature. Set the delay
time to the duration of the note you want to loop, play the note and press hold.
It'd probably be hit or miss whether you got the note's attack in there. You
could improve your odds by fading it in with a volume pedal or using an ebow.

Greg

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Well, I think the FCB only sends note on, which I use to control the EDP
just fine. A frustrating thing about the FCB is if you want to trigger
notes from a synth as well....it can't really be done...it is either
control the EDP or trigger notes from a synth. Apparently, the note on
function is global, and not per patch (like the exp pedals on the
FCB...grr..)

Dave Eichenberger 
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> 
> I just want to add the according the the FCB1010
> manual you can set it up to send note off messages,
> however I have no experience in using this function so
> can say little more about it.  I would expect, though,
> that it's implemented the way the MIDI spec originally
> intended it: to send the note off message when the
> pedal is released.
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(no, no not underwater radar, I mean Cakewalk Sonar :)

I browsed the midisolutions site out of reflex, but I saw something there
that caught my eye.

They note that their unit can be used to transform a conventional midi
footswitch command into the quirky '2 simultaneous note-ons'  that Sonar
requires for key bindings to external controls (hmmmppph at Cakewalk for
being so old fashioned and thinking we all are playing keyboards).

This usage is discussed on the 'applications' page:
http://www.midisolutions.com/applicat.htm#Footswitch%20Controller,%20F8


thanks to Sean for the pointer, and I'm glad I follow every random link you
folks post!   :)

Bob


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> Depending on your budget and midi needs, a custom solution could be built
with multiple footswitch controller boxes:
http://www.midisolutions.com/prodfsw.htm
>
>
> At 11:21 PM 2003/02/04 +0000, Ian Popperwell wrote:
> >Thank you. Yes, the idea of using external foot switches is a good one, I
> >didn't realise that any of the controllers had external inputs. I'll look
into
> >it.
>

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Would an infinite reverb achieve the "tinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnmmmnnnnnnnnng" 
sound better than trying to get force a looper not to do "ting ting ting ting 
ting ting ting ting, etc"?
Whats a good (sound/clarity wise) footswitch-controllable rackmount dedicated 
reverb unit that can perform this function for no more than $500?

Or am i better off getting a lo-fi delay unit like the old ibanez dm2000 that 
can sample a note and taper off its attack, creating the aural illusion of 
one long note: ("tinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng").

thanks,
Jesse Malone




In a message dated 2/3/03 9:17:21 PM, Sorceror777 writes:

<< 
In a message dated 2/3/03 8:55:01 PM, dennis@mail.worldserver.com writes:

<< For example, when you play a triangle (to pick out some instrument) into 
the
LCK infinite sustainer, it sounds like the triangle never stops ringing.
The sustain is perfectly even with no drop or wavering in level.  Instead of
"ting" you hear "tingggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg..."

I do something similar with the EDP and a gong.  Strike the gong then very
quickly step on EDP Record button twice.  You make a short loop of the gong.
Unlike the LCK infinite sustainer, you do get a bit of tremelo effect in the
sustained sound, but it still works quite well.  (The LCK goes through a bit
of signal processing to even-out the sound.)

Dennis Leas
-----------
dennis@mail.worldserver.com >>

Hi, What you describe with the triangle example (not the gong) is exactly 
what i want in sound. The LCK infinite sustainer..hmmm. Anyway, This is to be 
apart of a non-MIDI guitar rig, so does the LCK come as a footswitchable 
rackmount unit?--If not, what performs the same function as the LCK but is 
housed in a rackmount? I dont want software, because i dont want to have to 
deal with lugging an expensive laptop to rock gigs.

Oh and by "loop-like/digital delay repeats" --which I DONT want---I mean (to 
use your triangle analogy, "ting ting ting ting ting ting ting ting ting 
ting" ad infinitum..
thanks again,
Jesse >>

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On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 07:19:30PM -0500, Sorceror777@aol.com wrote:
> Would an infinite reverb achieve the "tinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnmmmnnnnnnnnng" 
> sound better than trying to get force a looper not to do "ting ting ting ting 
> ting ting ting ting, etc"?
> Whats a good (sound/clarity wise) footswitch-controllable rackmount dedicated 
> reverb unit that can perform this function for no more than $500?
>
	I occasionally use an old Digitech Pedalverb for something
similar to this. Though my useage is typical to put the pedalverb
before a distortion and delay, then to kick it on an in "infinite"
reverb mode for kind of a instant shoegazer sound. Of course, the
Pedalverb isn't exactly a high quality reverb, and they are hard to find.

	Some times I do the same with an Alesis Wedge though, but
just set it to a reverb, put it in edit mode, and slam the decay
time up to 60 seconds (or whatever the max is, I forget...). It's
midi controllable, so could probabaly do it fairly easily. They
are pretty cheap, sound decent to me, and show up on ebay alot.

	But then, neither of the above is rack mount. And neither
approach really sounds much like infinite extension of the note,
since it's the reverb that keeps going. 


Adrian

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So was this tour documented in any way?  I'm sure many on this list
(including myself) are interested to hear what you guys sounded like
together.

Ernesto

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> It's hard to remember details when there are so many fragments floating
> about - the trio finding its footing at Rocco's, before turning into a
> freaky-funk '70s Miles Davis tribute band with the inclusion of Michael
> Manring... 
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> the trio spontaneously assuming the role of a highly effective drum and
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After muttering that at prices of $950 and up, I'd contemplate selling my
nearly new Repeater and getting a few nibbles that then dissipated for
international shipping complexities or the fact that being a musician isn't
always entirely lucrative, I've at least settled on what I'd want for it.

So, $800 plus shipping from California gets you a Repeater that has seen
less than an hour of use. You can try to convince me of lower prices, but
you need to be reasonably convincing since I'm basically budgeting for
replacing it with an EDP plus getting a copy of LoopIV (and I see Alto just
raised their EDP price).

Mark

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   Thanks muchly, and just out of curiocity, who here is actually using a
midi foot controller currently with the EDP?   Thanks bunches...   

Smiles,

CQ

At 01:51 PM 2/4/03 -0800, you wrote:
>I just want to add the according the the FCB1010
>manual you can set it up to send note off messages,
>however I have no experience in using this function so
>can say little more about it.  I would expect, though,
>that it's implemented the way the MIDI spec originally
>intended it: to send the note off message when the
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  Per, simply place the card in the repeater you wish to update, and then
play the os as if it were a loop.   In other words,  dial it up on the
display, and I believe you then simply press play.   -HOpe this helps...  

Smiles,

CQ

At 11:11 PM 2/4/03 +0100, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>At the moment I have two Repeaters here, mine with OS 1.1 and one with
>OS 1.0 that I just bought on behalf of a friend that lives 1000 km from
>here. I would like to update the OS of the new one but I do not have,
>and I do not wish to buy, a CFC reader. There must be a way to move the
>system on my 16 mb CFC card to the new Repeater? 
>
>(found no info at the Electrix web site)
>
>Best wishes
>
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Hi All -
I'm making my debut as a raga singer this Friday night!
First set is classical North Indian Raga -- the main performer/vocalist is
Michael Harrison, student of Pandit Pran Nath and Ustad Mashkoor Ali Khan.
I'm on supporting vocals.
Second set is solo looping by yours truly.  I've pared my rig down -- after
maxing out with 2 EDPS and various other (heavy) things, I decided it's back
to basics -- so much more fun to go to gigs with less to carry!
After 2 odd years of looping in public, I seem to have reached a very
exciting point -- I've zoned in on what I want to do with it, and have
created this raga-influenced shamanistic stuff that I love to do, and that
seems to move the audience a lot.  A combination of written pieces and
improv.  Very vocal and breath-synth oriented.
So, if you're free on Friday, come check it out --
Michael Harrison & Steve Sandberg
with Latifa Nur Anderson and Maitreya Padukone
Friday, February 7, 8 PM
Atmananda Yoga
625-1511
552 Broadway & Prince
$12 suggested donation

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  Hi Dave, thanks for the response.   How are sus functions accomplished
like this?   In other words, the whole glitch idea which I do alot of,
which obviously needs some quick presses and releases of pedals.   I.E.
tapping a footswitch to replace bits of audio.   Thanks for any ideas...  

Smiles,

Cara

At 06:59 PM 2/4/03 -0500, you wrote:
>Well, I think the FCB only sends note on, which I use to control the EDP
>just fine. A frustrating thing about the FCB is if you want to trigger
>notes from a synth as well....it can't really be done...it is either
>control the EDP or trigger notes from a synth. Apparently, the note on
>function is global, and not per patch (like the exp pedals on the
>FCB...grr..)
>
>Dave Eichenberger 
>http://www.hazardfactor.com
> 
>
> 
>> 
>> I just want to add the according the the FCB1010
>> manual you can set it up to send note off messages,
>> however I have no experience in using this function so
>> can say little more about it.  I would expect, though,
>> that it's implemented the way the MIDI spec originally
>> intended it: to send the note off message when the
>> pedal is released.
>> 
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  O Andre, lol!   ah, so it's those gigantic unseen forces again is it?
lol!   Ya know, that'll have to be the name of the next looping tour.   Can
ya see it?

THE GIGANTIC UNSEEN FORCES TOUR!!!   

featuring, -screaming duets by...   lollollol!   
  Anyway, -hope yer' gettin' some good rest.  It was quite the amazing
experience!...  

80 cycles,

Cara

At 08:50 PM 2/3/03 -0800, you wrote:
>O list,
>
>Though I'm still catching up on sleep and generally recovering from one
>and a half weeks of utter loop immersion, I want to drop a quick note to
>thank everyone here involved, in whatever capacity, with the January
>tour of California.  It was a resounding success musically, personally,
>and economically, and I almost wish it was still happening.  (Then I
>remember sleeping for 24 of the first 32 hours I was back home, and I
>almost come to my senses).
>
>It's hard to remember details when there are so many fragments floating
>about - the trio finding its footing at Rocco's, before turning into a
>freaky-funk '70s Miles Davis tribute band with the inclusion of Michael
>Manring... 
>
>the trio spontaneously assuming the role of a highly effective drum and
>bass band at the request of one of the audience members at Z Pie in San
>Luis Obispo...  
>
>the tribal glitch-o-rama groove-fest of the two-drummers/two-guitarists
>band in Palo Alto...  
>
>a mournful and somber trio set at the San Jose Museum of Art that
>practically had me in tears (in a good way!)...  
>
>some all-too-timely words on world affairs from Rick Walker on stage at
>the Cayuga Vault in Santa Cruz, before an almost violently intense and
>confrontational trio set of what I'd venture to call "protest music" -
>it felt like a real-time Squarepusher remix of Miles' "On The Corner,"
>had me hollering at the top of my lungs at one point, and left the
>entire band scratching its head in disbelief at what we'd just played...
>
>and a strangely fractured and schizophrenic final show in Ben Lomond,
>augmented by both Manring and Bill Walker, which almost seemed to filter
>the whole tour into a stark and scattered coda of the entire previous
>two weeks...
>
>In any event, I have very little clear memory of most of what we played
>on that tour, but I'm profoundly grateful to everyone who attended a
>gig, helped to organize a show, and granted me some space on stage with
>them.  Huge thanks to Rick Walker, Steve Lawson, Jon Wagner, Cara Quinn,
>Bill Walker, Hans Lindauer, Kim Flint, Rik Elswit, Dan Elliot, and
>everyone else on and off-list who played such an integral part in the
>whole damn thing.
>
>Thanks also to Daryl for his Palo Alto review - if anyone else who was
>at a gig feels the inclination to drop a review, I'd be very interested
>to know what it was like on the other side of the stage.  In the
>meantime, I'll echo the sentiment that screaming duets were a definite
>high point of the tour for me as well...
>
>Hooray for gigantic unseen forces,
>
>--Andre LaFosse
>The Echoplex Analysis Pages:
>http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP
>
>


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I am using it with the fcb1010
cu
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--- Goddess <thefates@earthlink.net> wrote:
>    Thanks muchly, and just out of curiocity, who
> here is actually using a
> midi foot controller currently with the EDP?  
> Thanks bunches...   
> 
> Smiles,
> 
> CQ
> 
> At 01:51 PM 2/4/03 -0800, you wrote:
> >I just want to add the according the the FCB1010
> >manual you can set it up to send note off messages,
> >however I have no experience in using this function
> so
> >can say little more about it.  I would expect,
> though,
> >that it's implemented the way the MIDI spec
> originally
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> >pedal is released.
> >
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  Hi Jimmy, -actually, I was going to bed...   lol!   -the week in Cali
kind of skewed my sleepin' schedule a bit.   I usually teach in the
afternoons and/or evenings, so it all works out.   <smile>   
  So where did you play in Boulder?   
  I'm not sure  where to begin explaining what types of looping I do.   I
glitch out alot, which really isn't dependant on style, -or maybe my loops
are  just broken...    lol!   I also have done the ambient thing, both with
vocals and guitar.   I really tend to prefer the rhythmic  glitchy bit
though.   I tend to think of myself as a musician who loops, rather than a
looper who plays music...  -so enjoy  playin' lots of things...   <smile>  
  Anyway, -look forward to catchin' yer' show.   Talk with ya soon...   

Smiles,

Cara

At 05:52 AM 2/4/03 -0700, you wrote:
>Indeed CQ!Hope to see you there. I am fairly new to Denver from austin tx of
>14 years. I'm just starting to play in boulder as well. was there a few
>weeks ago. what kind of looping do you do?
>
>getting up or going to bed?
>
>Thanks for the note and spread the word...
>
>mustzzzzzzsleep
>jg
>http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Goddess <thefates@earthlink.net>
>To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 5:43 AM
>Subject: Re: Looping Show In Colorado...
>
>
>>   Hey Jimmy, cool beans!, -will try to swing by and say hi for one or more
>> of the shows.   I'm in Boulder, if you're going to be in that area at all
>> between gigs.   -would love to say hi...   Catch ya on the flip side...
>>
>> Smiles,
>>
>> CQ
>>
>> At 02:24 AM 2/4/03 -0700, you wrote:
>> >Hello to all my LoopyypooL (Fiends) Friends...
>> >
>> >If you are in the neighborhood or know someone who is please come check
>out
>> >my 'Looping Extravaganza Show' show this week in Colorado:
>> >
>> >Thursday 8pm
>> >Where: Cactus Jacks, 4651 HWY 73, Evergreen CO, 303-674-1564
>> >
>> >FEB 7th Friday 8pm
>> >Where: Evergreen Sports Grill, Evergreen, CO
>> >
>> >FEB 8th  Saturday 8pm
>> >Where: Sweet Rockin Coffee, 414 E. 20th Av. Denver CO 303-318-9788
>> >
>> >My website http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com has good directions on the
>> >schedule page.
>> >
>> >Also please check out my 'Looping Tune Of The Month', 'Pacing The Cage'
>when
>> >you get a chance. Thanks to all who have emailed feedback to me since the
>> >last posting of the tune!
>> >
>> >As always there are many other looping tunes on my 'music' / 'listen'
>page:
>> >
>> >Other looping compositions on my 'listen' page include;
>> >
>> >Trk 7 - on the 'she' cd
>> >Trks 1 & 4 - on the 'LIVE' cd
>> >Most the 'Rinsing Out The Turtle' cd - trks 2, 4, 5, 7, 8 & 11
>> >Trk 7 - on the 'Passion For Discovery' cd
>> >All of 'Live At The Ritz' (I will have all the tunes posted to stream
>this
>> >week. This is a FUN show!)
>> >
>> >Thanks for keeping it in the Loop...
>> >
>> >peace and love peace and love peace and love peace and love
>> >
>> >Jimmy George
>> >http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com
>> >http://www.jimmygeorgeband.com
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> ---
>>
>>   "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother.
>> -Then, anything is possible..."
>>
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates
>>
>> Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe.
>>
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction
>>
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe
>>
>>
>>
>
>


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Daryl wrote:
> 
> You've probably got plenty of info by now...but I remembered that the single-row
> unit with big buttons I mentioned earlier is made by ART.  It's called the ART
> x-11; there are several on Ebay right now for cheap.
> 
> Daryl Shawn
> highhorse@mhorse.com
I have an X-15 I'd like to sell or trade.
Scott

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I have a fairly good sized living room(15-18 people)and I've often
thought about doing ambiant or free jazz salons.
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At 5:48 PM -0500 2/3/03, Cino wrote:

>John Barth

My favorite Barthism is from "Giles Goat Boy": The proctologist who 
wrote a dissertation titled "Riddle of the Sphincters."


>Eugene Ionesco

A little-known Ionesco play, for three characters, is "Saluations." 
Three gentlemen meet on a street corner and greet each other:

Good morning gentlemen.
Good morning gentlemen.
Good morning gentlemen.
Great to see you. How are things going?
Fine thanks. And you?
Nicely. And you?
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Coldly. And you?

And so on, for five minutes. The interaction devolves into an 
ostinato "and you...and you..." as each of the three gentlemen gets 
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I adapted Saluations for three interlocked 16mm projectors as my 
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> Frεn: Goddess [mailto:thefates@earthlink.net] 
 
>   Per, simply place the card in the repeater you wish to 
> update, and then
> play the os as if it were a loop.   In other words,  dial it up on the
> display, and I believe you then simply press play.   -HOpe 
> this helps...  
> 
> Smiles,

Thanks. I tried this but it did not update the OS. I guess you have to
start by saving the update file, "rprt-10.raf", on the card. My problem
is that I cannot do this without a CF card reader. 

Best wishes

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Hi Arthur
what's happenning is that your EDP is doing all LongPresses.
Because it isn't getting a Note-off to tell it to do ShortPress.

You need to program a note-off on the release of the switch,
or a note-on of velocity zero (which does the same)

Well......kind of sounds that way.

andy butler 

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the FCB1010 sends note-off
(or the note-on with 0 velocity which is exactly the same)
when the switch is release.
So all those SUS functions work fine.

I use the FCB1010 on 2EDPs, and it works fine.
(though it takes ages to program, to the extent that
I don't try out stuff that i think of )


Great to have instant access to reverse and halfspeed all
the time.

andy butler


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Now I've got a new problem...

I accidentally unplugged the power to the PMC while it was plugged into
the EDP and now the EDP reads Nidi  except the i's are just little lines
and the other device reads MIDI Framing Error whenever the PMC is
connected by MIDI.

Do you have any idea what I did and am I screwed or what?

 

 

 

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> the FCB1010 sends note-off
> (or the note-on with 0 velocity which is exactly the same)
> when the switch is release.
> So all those SUS functions work fine.

Just be careful with sending midi note on 53 for (SUSRoundedInsert) EDP.
On my EDP/loop4 this induces loud noise about 30 % of the times I use
this command - so I don't. 

This looks like a bug in the software. I have posted it before, but it
would be interesting to hear about how other ppls EDP/loop4 reacts to
it?

> I use the FCB1010 on 2EDPs, and it works fine.
> (though it takes ages to program, to the extent that
> I don't try out stuff that i think of )

Is someone working on a FCB1010 editor software? I bet there's a market
;-)
 
> Great to have instant access to reverse and halfspeed all
> the time.
> 
> andy butler

Indeed!

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In a message dated 03/02/03 04:12:44 GMT Standard Time, 
Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes:

> >I noticed that when you hit a piano note for the second time
>  >while holding the sus pedal down there's a very different sound.
>  >a lot brighter, because the hammer collides with the vibrations
>  >from another note.
>  
>  when I used to play piano, I loved to press the pedal just a little 
>  after releasing the keys, so the damper would touch the string 
>  quickly and make it sound soft, but the sustain would be long, and 
>  somehow even seem longer...
  
For clarity, that's an Upright piano (right?)
the grand piano soft pedal is v.different.
Another trick is to damp the string by hand, and release it
as the note sounds, seems like a swell. 

>  Shure, this effect could be sampled an plaied even simpler on a 
>  electronic instrument...

well think how many samples you have in the top 
of the range digi-pianos.
Each note recorded at a number of different volumes.
...and different pedals.
...and still it sounds nothing like it.

  

>  
>  we are quite OT here
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Here is information on how to upgrade.

Kelly 

REPEATER OS1.1 Release Notes
The following document gives a detailed look at the changes made between
Repeater OS1.0 and OS1.1 (released October 2001). For additions and changes
to the MIDI control of Repeater please refer to the document titled MIDI, CC 
and
PC Implementation
(http://www.electrxpro.com/support/softwareupdates.html)
OS1.1 Software installation instructions
1. Download the new software (in either Mac β€œ.SIT” or PC β€œ.ZIP” format) from
http://www.electrixpro.com/support/softwareupdates.html
2. Make sure that you have correctly installed your CompactFlash reader* to
your computer (contact the reader’s manufacturer if you are encountering
problems).
3. Open the folder titled β€œRepeater_OS1-1” and locate the file β€œrepr1-10.raf”
4. Insert a CompactFlash card into the reader and copy the file β€œrepr 1-
10.raf” onto the card. Note: The OS update requires 350K of space on the
CompactFlash card.
5. Unplug Repeater’s power supply.
6. Insert the CompactFlash card containing the new software into Repeater.
7. Connect Repeater’s power supply and check to make sure that the supply
has power (green light on supply will be on).
8. The unit will display β€œStarting…” and then the prompt β€œBOOT FILES”. After
a moment the display will show a number on the left and a filename on the
right. Using the encoders, select β€œrepr1-10” (note that no .raf extension 
will
be displayed). When selected, press β€œRecord” to start the upload process.
Pressing stop would cancel the installation and boot Repeater with the
pre-existing OS version.
9. The unit will display β€œVerifying”, β€œLoading” with a countdown, and then
when the process is completed will display β€œStarting…” and then the
version banner β€œREPEATER1-1” will appear before the unit is ready.
10. Your Repeater is now updated to OS1.1
*CompactFlash readers are widely available from the same resellers who
handle CompactFlash cards. They can be purchased with a variety of
connections and range in price from $30 - $70, depending on complexity.
The cheaper readers will still get the job done, allowing you to upgrade
your Repeater AND move loops to the computer domain.
Having problems with any part of the installation process? Contact Electrix
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this is what I was trying to describe a while back, using a dl4. I have the thing on one of the analogue delay settings and use a volume pedal so that the imput can be faded up into the delay pedal after the attack has finished. the dl4 can have it's repeats turned right up without it starting to make a noise on it's own on one or two of the delay types. I tried it with my mellotron and did the whole nigel tufnell bit- went off, had a cup of tea, came back, still, y'know, "nyeeeeeng", great big wall of tape-string chord but with textural movement within it and no bumps/clicks.
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>this is what I was trying to describe a while back, using=
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lume pedal so that the imput can be faded up into the delay pedal after the=
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I tried it with my mellotron and did the whole nigel tufnell bit- went off,=
 had a cup of tea, came back, still, y'know, &quot;nyeeeeeng&quot;, great b=
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mps/clicks.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>dl4's rock.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>duncan/r.m.i.</FONT>
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--- Per Boysen <per@boysen.se> wrote:
> > Frεn: Goddess [mailto:thefates@earthlink.net] 
>  
> >   Per, simply place the card in the repeater you wish to 
> > update, and then
> > play the os as if it were a loop.   In other words,  dial it up on the
> > display, and I believe you then simply press play.   -HOpe 
> > this helps...  
> > 
> > Smiles,
> 
> Thanks. I tried this but it did not update the OS. I guess you have to
> start by saving the update file, "rprt-10.raf", on the card. My problem
> is that I cannot do this without a CF card reader.

Yes, you put the OS file on the card. Insert the card with the power to the
Repeater off, and it automatically detects the OS file on the card and puts you
into an "update mode". You select the file you want to load (usually only one)
and press Record.

Here's a link to the instructions:
http://www.electrixpro.com/files/pdf/repeater_os11notes.pdf

Greg

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WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 report to
New Age Voice for January, 2003.
Shows #302 to #306; 2-January-2003 to 30-January-2003
Reported in non-ranked order.
Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@fast.net

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ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL
============================
Amongst Myselves - Sacred Black - RMC Records
Andy Pickford and Paul Nagle - Ramayana - Neu Harmony
Brannan Lane - Deep Unknown - brannanlane.com
Brannan Lane - Hypnotic Drift - brannanlane.com
Brannan Lane - To Earth and Back - Space for Music
Brannan Lane - Troposphere - World Circle
Eppie E. Hulshof - Floating Waves - Quantum
Ixohoxi - Somnabulae - MP3.com
Mark Jenkins - Sequencer Loops - AMP
Mike Griffin and Dave Fulton - Imprint - Hypnos
Navigator - Northern Consequence - Invisible Shadows
Orbital Decay - Orbital Decay - none
Ozone Player - E - Visual Power
Redshift - Halo - Distant Sun
Redshift - Siren - Distant Sun
Skin Mechanix - The Secret Life of Angels - InfectionMusic
Thought Guild - [Context] - HRR
Under the Dome - Bellerophon - Neu Harmony
Various Artists - The Gatherings - Synkronos
Zero Ohms and Brannan Lane - Soundfall to the Infinite - Space for Music

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Re: non musical looping"I knew it!  I just knew that that was going to =
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  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 1:14 AM
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  At 5:48 PM -0500 2/3/03, Cino wrote:


    John Barth


  My favorite Barthism is from "Giles Goat Boy": The proctologist who =
wrote a dissertation titled "Riddle of the Sphincters."




    Eugene Ionesco


  A little-known Ionesco play, for three characters, is "Saluations." =
Three gentlemen meet on a street corner and greet each other:


    Good morning gentlemen.
    Good morning gentlemen.
    Good morning gentlemen.
    Great to see you. How are things going?
    Fine thanks. And you?
    Nicely. And you?
    Nastily. And you?
    Warmly. And you?
    Coldly. And you?


  And so on, for five minutes. The interaction devolves into an ostinato =
"and you...and you..." as each of the three gentlemen gets to take a =
solo "garibaldically...gallinaceously...galliphobically..." etc.


  I adapted Saluations for three interlocked 16mm projectors as my =
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Ian,

Depending on the severity of your vision impairment, one solution may be to 
pick up any of the two row controllers, zip down to your local craft or 
hardware store, grab a couple of highly contrasting brightly colored paints 
(lime green and fuschia maybe?), and paint the two rows of buttons different 
colors.  Of course, if you're doing it by feel this is hardly an appropriate 
solution.

Good luck,
Todd

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At 5:08 PM -0500 2/5/03, Cino wrote:
>"I knew it!  I just knew that that was going to be the last word!"

We actually cut that line.
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Re: non musical loopingThis is another way of having the last word. In =
fellini's Satyricon a group of potential inheritors are horrified to =
find that if they want to share in the extremely wealthy poets fortune =
they have to, by order of the will, attend a great roman banquet with =
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consume the cadaver at one sitting. That's what I call loopy - poetic, =
too.

----- Original Message -----=20
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  Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 2:08 PM
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  "I knew it!  I just knew that that was going to be the last word!"
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Richard Zvonar=20
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
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    At 5:48 PM -0500 2/3/03, Cino wrote:


      John Barth


    My favorite Barthism is from "Giles Goat Boy": The proctologist who =
wrote a dissertation titled "Riddle of the Sphincters."




      Eugene Ionesco


    A little-known Ionesco play, for three characters, is "Saluations." =
Three gentlemen meet on a street corner and greet each other:


      Good morning gentlemen.
      Good morning gentlemen.
      Good morning gentlemen.
      Great to see you. How are things going?
      Fine thanks. And you?
      Nicely. And you?
      Nastily. And you?
      Warmly. And you?
      Coldly. And you?


    And so on, for five minutes. The interaction devolves into an =
ostinato "and you...and you..." as each of the three gentlemen gets to =
take a solo "garibaldically...gallinaceously...galliphobically..." etc.


    I adapted Saluations for three interlocked 16mm projectors as my =
undergraduate thesis at MIT.
--=20


    ______________________________________________________________
    Richard Zvonar, PhD      =20
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I'm trying to make my looping rig a little more
portable, but really hate to lose the stuff in my
rack, so the compromise I'm reaching is to make the
setup modular enough to use with *either* the full
rack and pedalboard, or with just the pedalboard and a
couple of small amps.*

Since my reverbs are in the rack, I'm in the market
for a reverb PEDAL, preferably stereo. I'd sort of
been drawn to the Boss RV-3 or -5, but have been
reading some negative reviews that they're not
"reverby" enough, and consist of discernable delays.
The DigiTech or one of the Zooms may be a possibility.
I'm not so sure about the EH Holy Grail, and I'm
pretty sure I want to steer clear of Danelectro.

I *don't* want a surf spring-reverb type sound; I'm
looking for nice, lush big hall stuff. I'll be
sticking the pedal upstream from my loopers, while the
rack stuff (when I schlepp it) will continue to
post-process the loops.

Any pedal recommendations?

-t-

* You can see photos of my rack/pedalboard in its
current version in  the 'photos' section at <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pedalboards/>

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> well think how many samples you have in the top 
>  of the range digi-pianos.
>  Each note recorded at a number of different volumes.
>  ...and different pedals.
>  ...and still it sounds nothing like it.
  
>  >  we are quite OT here

er...yes
but what we're looking at here is the problem
" how to generate an artificial(digital) sound that has the richness
of an acoustic instrument"

if we could find a solution to that, then it might be possible to use
a similar idea to make a 'looper' that could vary it's playback to
give the impression of a musician playing an ostinato(repeated figure),
rather than an exact repeat.
..or even an ostinato with variations.

In both cases I imagine there  would need to be some
sort of human input used to control variations in the sound.

just random thoughts anyway

andy butler

 

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I think varying a loop is pretty important.  Aside from a less than 
100% feedback situation, I'm almost always applying some sort of effect 
to my loop via the Repeater's effects loop.  Usually the path includes 
processors that allow real time tweakage.  Being able to manipulate the 
loop while playing into the loop uneffected is what makes the Repeater 
my main looping device.

On the other hand, I'm playing a somewhat acoustic instrument (guitar) 
into the Repeater.... though it's pretty much a guitar/synth combo most 
of the time.  I think that contrast is a big part of my music.

Mark Sottilaro

On Thursday, February 6, 2003, at 01:57 AM, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote:

>> well think how many samples you have in the top
>>  of the range digi-pianos.
>>  Each note recorded at a number of different volumes.
>>  ...and different pedals.
>>  ...and still it sounds nothing like it.
>
>>>  we are quite OT here
>
> er...yes
> but what we're looking at here is the problem
> " how to generate an artificial(digital) sound that has the richness
> of an acoustic instrument"
>
> if we could find a solution to that, then it might be possible to use
> a similar idea to make a 'looper' that could vary it's playback to
> give the impression of a musician playing an ostinato(repeated figure),
> rather than an exact repeat.
> ..or even an ostinato with variations.
>
> In both cases I imagine there  would need to be some
> sort of human input used to control variations in the sound.
>
> just random thoughts anyway
>
> andy butler
>
>
>

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speaking of, i'm thinking of getting a malletkat and i was wondering if
anybody has suggestions for a good sound engine for acoustic sounds.  it's
not so off-topic...the reason i don't get an acoustic
marimba/vibraphone/etc. is because it's very easy to loop with an electronic
device (as opposed to looping a pair of mics) and loop with this device i
will.

-jim


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Hey kids,

I'm playing this show.  Fun!  I'm doing and early set (8-9) in the 
upstairs room.  Come and check it out,

Mark Sottilaro

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>
> Subject: Ascension 03
>
> Ascension 03
> "A Celebration of Electronic Dance and Art Culture"
>
> Date:          February 13, 3002
> Location:      1015 Folsom,
>
> Ascension  brings new entertainment forms and cultural movements 
> developed
> deep in the underground  to a club environment where they can be
> experienced in context by a broader audience.   Ascension is now in 
> it's
> third year and has evolved into a showcase featuring the best of the
> electronic dance and art culture from the bay area and beyond.
>
> Elements of Ascension will include music, performance artists, 
> multi-media
> art, and fashion all originating, evolving, and drawing inspiration 
> from
> electronic music.  Music will concentrate on live electronic acts and 
> DJs
> who produce a significant part of their own play list in the moment. 
> One
> highly anticipated act is άberzone, which Spin Magazine named as one 
> of the
> six producers to create "the biggest beats ever."  Performance troupes 
> will
> strive to push the boundaries in a variety of dance and movement 
> genres.
> Art installations will create atmosphere and encourage interaction.  A
> fashion show will also give some of the most promising designers in 
> the Bay
> Area a platform to showcase a variety of inspirations in a 
> revolutionizing
> fashion show and performance hybrid.
>
> Red Bull� Energy Drink together with Infinite Kaos, a multi-media
> collective of dancers, musicians, and artists will produce the event 
> in a
> continuing commitment to support the thriving electronic music 
> community.
> Proceeds from the event will benefit the San Francisco Late Night 
> Coalition
> (SFLNC).  SFLNC is a broad-based group of community members, promoters,
> activists, DJs, musicians, artists, and club owners from throughout 
> the Bay
> Area whose collective goal is to protect, preserve, and promote San
> Francisco's late-night culture.  The SFLNC works to encourage 
> understanding
> and awareness of the regulations and issues surrounding after-hours
> entertainment in the Bay Area.  Over the past two years Ascension has
> raised over $10,000 for the SFLNC.
>
> Music Schedule
> Main Room:
> *Uberzone- LIVE- Spin Magazine named άberzone as one of the six 
> producers to
> create "the
> biggest beats ever.άberzone is the brainchild of southern California 
> native
> Q (named after the
> "gizmo" -loving James Bond character).His early singles, "Botz" and 
> "The
> Freaks", released on taste-maker indie dance label City of Angels, were
> critically acclaimed club tracks that established Q as one of the 
> leading
> American producers of breakbeat music. His remixes of Sarah McLachlan, 
> The
> Crystal Method and BT also established him as one of the biggest names 
> in
> the American dance scene. Special thanks to ((( THUMP))) Radio for 
> helping
> to book these special artists for Ascension!
> *Lorin (bassnectar.net) -Psychotically addicted to his studio, Lorin is
> presenting tonight a symphony of entirely orignal Bassnectar 
> production:
> Tracks and remixes from the Amorphous Music 1998-2003 roster include
> material from Sayr, Majool, Landlside, Spearhead and Amon Tobin. Lorin 
> has
> been touring through Australia, Fiji and Hawaii, and this is his first 
> SF
> appearance since New Years.
> *an-ten-na -live (eyephunk/fuel)
> *Shakatura (Ceiba, Looq)- all original music
> *ESP -live (Dimension7)
> *Alaric
> *Geeno
> *Ikarus
>
> Front room:  Clear-Cut Gateway
> *Octavius (Mush Records)
> *Endosine (CitrikSystems)
> *Mark Deutsch -live Byzantar
> *ANON+GIRLIE8.TV (www.echolocation.fm)
> *Geeno VS Ikarus (Infinite Kaos)
>
> Urban Momentum Room (downstairs)
> *Vin Rock (2 x ITF Champ, Triple Threat DJs)
> *Patrick Wilson (New Life, Momentum)
> *DJ Riddler? (Uniting Souls, Flavor)
> *Milano
>
> Upstairs:  East/West Room
> *Hypnomadic feat. Soulsalaam -an electrorganic cultural musical 
> performance
> with an intense urban edge that incorporates international music 
> forms, beat
> construction using state of the art dj equipment,
> studio computer programs and hardware, creating a harmonic listening
> experience that produces it's own
> unique genre.
> *Playground -live
> *Barefoot (Aranji)
> *Dutch (Thump Radio)
> *Sleeping -live
> *DHAMAAL -live
>
> Backstage Room (upstairs)
> *Dave Molina -live
> *IKAmyO (IK)
> *Shawna (Apsara)
> *Space Invader
> *Polaris
> *Liam Shy (Eyephunk)
> *Ritter Gluck (Spire, IK)
> *Captain Kaos (Infinite Kaos)
>
> Dance Crews Bustin' it throughout the night:
>
>      Capoeira USA                (brazilian martial art)
>      Sisterz of the Underground  (bgirls)
>      Flo-ology                   (nu house styles)
>      D.R.E.A.M.                  (afro-latin hiphop)
>      Bits and Pieces              (POWER)
> --------------
> Events Schedule:
> Main Room
>
>  8:00 - 9:30   Ascension Reception ? cocktails and sushi (invite only)
>  9:45 - 10:00  SFLNC Political guest speeches
> 10:00 - 10:45  Ascension Fashion Performance
> 10:45 - 3:00   Music and Performances
>
> Invited Speakers:
> Mark Leno, State Assembly
> Chris Daly, Board of Supervisors
> Bevin Duffy, Board of Supervisors
> Heather Fong, Deputy Chief, SFPD
> Greg Suhr, Commander, SFPD
> Dennis Herrera, newly elected City Attorney
>
> -------------
> Performances By:    Circo Zero, Capacitor, Mystic Family Circus, 
> Infinite
> Kaos,
>                   Apsara,  Caipoira USA, Freaksoultribe
>
> ---------------
> Fashion Performance
> Visual Aristry:     Projection Environments by D7, Lightrhythm, Chaos
>                Consortium, Drummachine, & the Video Salon Art Army
>
> ---------------
> Art Liaison:   ART SF
>
> Collaborative Energy by A Cast Too Numerous to Name - Love to All!!!
>
> --------------
> Ascension 03's General Theme:  "Polarity and Synthesis"
>
> Room Overview
>
> 1015 Folsom has 5 distinct rooms, all of which will be completely
> transformed by the Ascensionists. A room is a point on a map connected 
> to
> other rooms. There are transitions. A room embodies a series of ideas
> through time.
>
> The room themes are as follows:
>
> Front Entry Room:  "Clearcut"  Featuring Nature vs. Technology
>
> Main Room:  general theme of Polarity and Synthesis
>
> Downstairs:  "Urban Momentum"
>
> Upstairs Main Room:  "East Meets West"
>
> Backstage Room:  The embryo of the creative spirit
> -----------------
>
> Clear-Cut Room
> Clearcut  follows the simple arc of Humanity...growing out of Nature 
> and
> overstepping its boundaries. Polarity and synthesis.  Nature vs 
> Technology.
>
>
> East/West Room
> East Meets West is romp through the many possible dualities suggested 
> by
> the title.  These East/West oppositions have been the source of so much
> conflict ? both political and cultural.    Every point on Earth is
> simultaneously east and west of every other.
>
> Urban Momentum
> Bringing together the dancers from all tribes - ? b-boys/girls, house,
> freestyle, Capoeira, poppers and others  to bend the boundaries of 
> urban
> contemporary dance.  This area will also feature a unique dance area 
> with
> street obstacles for dancers to use as they freestyle.
>
>
> ================
> SPECIAL NOTE:
>
> This event will sell out.  Get there early or take a chance at not 
> getting
> in.  The had to close the line at 11:30 last year.  This is an amazing 
> once
> a year event ? so get there early, soak it in and enjoy the best of 
> the bay
> areas vibrant electronic dance and art culture!
>
>

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The Emu Planet Earth has a lot of percussion samples -- many from Rick
Walker's instrument collection.

Mark

on 2/6/03 2:35 AM, jimfowler at jimfowler@prodigy.net wrote:

> speaking of, i'm thinking of getting a malletkat and i was wondering if
> anybody has suggestions for a good sound engine for acoustic sounds.  it's
> not so off-topic...the reason i don't get an acoustic
> marimba/vibraphone/etc. is because it's very easy to loop with an electronic
> device (as opposed to looping a pair of mics) and loop with this device i
> will.
> 
> -jim
> 
> 
> 

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At 10:35 AM 2/6/2003 +0000, jimfowler wrote:
>speaking of, i'm thinking of getting a malletkat and i was wondering if
>anybody has suggestions for a good sound engine for acoustic sounds.  it's
>not so off-topic...the reason i don't get an acoustic
>marimba/vibraphone/etc. is because it's very easy to loop with an electronic
>device (as opposed to looping a pair of mics) and loop with this device i
>will.

Well, in this respect, my setup's a bit dated, but that just means you can 
pick up the gear cheap if you like.  ;)

For years, I've used a DrumKat DK-10 with my Roland R8-m sound 
module.  I've got about six of the different expansion cards, but I find 
the 'Mallet' card works quite nicely for marimba/vibraphone/etc, not to 
mention some of the more esoteric instruments also included on the 
card.  R8-m's seem to be going at rather reasonable prices on Ebay these 
days and most of the different cards come up for auction on a regular basis 
as well.

         -c-

_____
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[ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ]

The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays
electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other
genres.  The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and
on the internet.  Send me comments if you love or hate what I played.  I also
host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am.

I played the music of Orbital Decay, the headlining act at the next Soundscapes
Concert Series on February 22, at Bethlehem's IceHouse on Sand Island.

Soundscapes Concert Series http://soundscapes.us


                    Show #16                    February 1, 2003.


PLAYLIST:

Phase I/Space:

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
Orbital Decay           The Kea of Sea           The Key of Sea (none)
Mikronesia              Tradgetyhand             Mikronesia (none)

Phase II/Eclectic:

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
Ranga                   Innocence                Radiant Awakening (Sammasati)
Diane Arkenstone        Adrift                   Jewel in the Sun (Neo Pacifica)
Cyrille Verdeaux        Spirale d'Amour          Best of Rainbow (Clearlight)

Phase III/Progressive Rock:

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
Steve Howe              Small Acts of Human      Skyline (InsideOut)
                          Kindness
NDV                     Dream in Red             Karma (Radiant)
Kevin Gilbert           Waiting                  Thud (PRA Records)
Enchant                 Ultimate Gift            Blink of an Eye (InsideOut)
The Flower Kings        Silent Inferno           Unfold the Future (InsideOut)
Motoi Sakuraba          Tone Access              Gikyokounsou (Musea)

 * = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)

I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on February 15.

Bill
===============================================================================
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I've just found the ADA 4 by 4 on Harmony central and it does look like a
straightforward way of holding a few programmes in its memory and easilly
switching between them. Thanks.
Ian.

At 21:45 04/02/03 , you wrote:
>
>ADA made (makes?) a couple of them.  The MC-1 is similiar in size and
shape to
>the EDP pedalboard, with 10 small switches in a long row.  They also made one
>that had a single row of 5 switches, but had really nice big, round buttons.
>However, neither of these offered programming capabilities I don't think.
>
>Daryl Shawn
>highhorse@mhorse.com
>
>
>> >> ...a good MIDI foot controller with just one row
>>
> 


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Hi there,
I have always loved the combination of music and film
and i have seen a couple of abstract shows where 
short films and visuals were used to syncronize and
enhance the music.I noticed that it was somehow
programmed as the music would go through its parts and
passages and i am curious as to what kind of
software,film sources etc. can work best with the
looping gear we have today.I am also interesting in
knowing how many of you outhere are doing this.
Any links to clarifying my curiosity in this subject
would be appreciated.
Cheers
L.a

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At 21:32 04/02/03 , you wrote:
>
>>> ...a good MIDI foot controller with just one row
>
>I would consider using the FCB1010 anyway, and just forget about the
>upper/rear row of foot switches. Put some kind of barrier over them to
>prevent tactile confusion with the lower/front row. The unit is well built,
>very inexpensive (and even cheaper on Ebay), and has a very active yahoo
>group with hundreds of members.

That's an interesting suggestion, I guess that the Behringer FCB 1010 bottom
row would be fine. What functions would I loose by only using one row? How is
it configured and can the switches have programmable assignments? Ian.

>Half the yahoo list chatter is about how confusing the manual is, granted :)
>
>But still, it is a good unit. Behringer has updated the firmware several
>times since the unit was released so that bodes well for continuing support.
>
>Bob
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ian Popperwell" <popperwell@iname.com>
>To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 1:23 PM
>Subject: MIDI Foot controllers
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have posted on this subject before but am still looking for what I need
>> and could do with a bit of help.
>>
>> I'm looking for a good MIDI foot controller with just one row of
>> well-spaced foot switches - with or without a pedal. This is because I
>have
>> very little eye sight and can't hit the double-row controllers with any
>> degree of accuracy. I posted a couple of weeks ago about the Philip Rees
>> MM5 (now discontinued) but guess that nobody on the list has experience of
>> using it. I've checked out as many makes and models as I can find but they
>> all now seem to have two rows - Yamaha, Roland, Behringer, Digitech, Zoom,
>> Rocktron, Peavey(?)...
>>
>> I use a MIDI Wind controller with a couple of modules, a synth with
>> arpegiator and fx units and am saving for an EDP (I currently use a trusty
>> DL4) -. I need/want to be able to send MIDI clock, prog changes, set up
>> drones, start/stop arpegiator and transmit chord info to arpegiator, + in
>> the future control the EDP. If I can't do all these things, my access to a
>> pedalboard is more important to me than features - some of em would be
>> better than none.
>>
>> Any advice would be very helpful.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Ian.
>>
>>
>>
> 


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Hi, 
It looks, from the picture on the web site that the Ground Control has two
rows
of switches. Ian.



At 21:57 04/02/03 , you wrote:
>have you tried the digital corp ground control?
><http://www.guitargeek.com/gearview/35/>http://www.guitargeek.com/gearview/
35/
the ernie ball passive volume pedal
>is also a nice addition...
>
>bol
>jg
><http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com/>http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Ian Popperwell <popperwell@iname.com>
>To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
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>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have posted on this subject before but am still looking for what I need
>> and could do with a bit of help.
>>
>> I'm looking for a good MIDI foot controller with just one row of
>> well-spaced foot switches - with or without a pedal. This is because I
>have
>> very little eye sight and can't hit the double-row controllers with any
>> degree of accuracy. I posted a couple of weeks ago about the Philip Rees
>> MM5 (now discontinued) but guess that nobody on the list has experience of
>> using it. I've checked out as many makes and models as I can find but they
>> all now seem to have two rows - Yamaha, Roland, Behringer, Digitech, Zoom,
>> Rocktron, Peavey(?)...
>>
>> I use a MIDI Wind controller with a couple of modules, a synth with
>> arpegiator and fx units and am saving for an EDP (I currently use a trusty
>> DL4) -. I need/want to be able to send MIDI clock, prog changes, set up
>> drones, start/stop arpegiator and transmit chord info to arpegiator, + in
>> the future control the EDP. If I can't do all these things, my access to a
>> pedalboard is more important to me than features - some of em would be
>> better than none.
>>
>> Any advice would be very helpful.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Ian.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 


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Todd,
Yes this would increase the contrast, possibly enough for me to manage it.


At 00:10 06/02/03 , you wrote:
>Ian,
>
>Depending on the severity of your vision impairment, one solution may be to 
>pick up any of the two row controllers, zip down to your local craft or 
>hardware store, grab a couple of highly contrasting brightly colored paints 
>(lime green and fuschia maybe?), and paint the two rows of buttons different 
>colors.  Of course, if you're doing it by feel this is hardly an appropriate 
>solution.
>
>Good luck,
>Todd
> 


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>>I guess that the Behringer FCB 1010 bottom
> row would be fine. What functions would I loose by only using one row? How
is
> it configured and can the switches have programmable assignments? Ian.

Tthere are 6 footswitches on the upper/rear row.  5 of those are general
purpose and are no different than the corresponding 5 on the lower row, so
you would not lose any specific functionality by leaving them unused.

But there is one catch, the 'Up' bank select footswitch is on the right end
of the upper row, just immediately behind the 'Down' bank select footswitch.
That might be an issue for you. Perhaps because it would be the only one you
care about on that row and it is distinctly located just the the left of the
continuous controller pedals, it would be 'legible'.

As to the configuration and all, I won't attempt to misquote that here, but
suffice to say there are a few limitations that annoy folks. In general it
seems to be a very useful unit for most applications. Given there is nothing
else like it in that price range its hard to complain, but it is not all
things to all people.

A great user site for this unit is:
http://www.altrion.org/fcb1010/

Bob



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Actually, your ability to program things like cc messages and foot
controller assignments would be impaired if you were unable to access the
top row of switches on the 1010.

By way of explanation, the footswitches are used for multiple purposes in
performing/editing modes.

In performing mode, when you stomp on a footswitch, it sends out whatever
MIDI messages you programed that switch to send, and/or assigns the two
footpedals to MIDI commands.  In this mode, blocking the top 5 foot switches
(6-10) would only have the impact of limiting you to 5 footswitches to call
up patches/presets.

In edit mode, where you actually define the footswitch presets used in
performing mode, each of the footswitches represents a different MIDI
command.  The bottom 5 switches (1 - 5) allow you to assign up to 5 MIDI PC
messages to a single footswitch.  The top row of 5 switches (6-10) allow you
to assign up to 2 CC messages and assign MIDI commands to the 2 foot pedals.
In this mode, blocking the top row of 5 footswitches would prevent you from
assign CC messages or change foot pedal assignments for any given
patch/preset you want to edit.  Theoritically, you could setup/define all of
the footswitches you want to use, and THEN block the top 5 row of foot
switches when all you want/need to do is tap on foot switches 1-5 on the
bottom row to call up patches.  Perhaps you could make the block for the top
row of switches removable, in order to facilite patch editing.

I have no idea is this suggestion is useful, but someone made the suggestion
of painting the footswitches with very dinstinct and separate colors for
each row.  This sounds more beneficial to me (you can operate the unit in
edit mode normally, and still have access to 10 patches per bank), but this
may not work for you.

Hope this helps,

Mike



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ian Popperwell [mailto:popperwell@iname.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 12:42 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: MIDI Foot controllers
>
>
>
> At 21:32 04/02/03 , you wrote:
> >
> >>> ...a good MIDI foot controller with just one row
> >
> >I would consider using the FCB1010 anyway, and just forget about the
> >upper/rear row of foot switches. Put some kind of barrier
> over them to
> >prevent tactile confusion with the lower/front row. The unit
> is well built,
> >very inexpensive (and even cheaper on Ebay), and has a very
> active yahoo
> >group with hundreds of members.
>
> That's an interesting suggestion, I guess that the Behringer
> FCB 1010 bottom
> row would be fine. What functions would I loose by only using
> one row? How is
> it configured and can the switches have programmable assignments? Ian.
>
> >Half the yahoo list chatter is about how confusing the
> manual is, granted :)
> >
> >But still, it is a good unit. Behringer has updated the
> firmware several
> >times since the unit was released so that bodes well for
> continuing support.
> >
> >Bob
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Ian Popperwell" <popperwell@iname.com>
> >To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 1:23 PM
> >Subject: MIDI Foot controllers
> >
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I have posted on this subject before but am still looking
> for what I need
> >> and could do with a bit of help.
> >>
> >> I'm looking for a good MIDI foot controller with just one row of
> >> well-spaced foot switches - with or without a pedal. This
> is because I
> >have
> >> very little eye sight and can't hit the double-row
> controllers with any
> >> degree of accuracy. I posted a couple of weeks ago about
> the Philip Rees
> >> MM5 (now discontinued) but guess that nobody on the list
> has experience of
> >> using it. I've checked out as many makes and models as I
> can find but they
> >> all now seem to have two rows - Yamaha, Roland, Behringer,
> Digitech, Zoom,
> >> Rocktron, Peavey(?)...
> >>
> >> I use a MIDI Wind controller with a couple of modules, a synth with
> >> arpegiator and fx units and am saving for an EDP (I
> currently use a trusty
> >> DL4) -. I need/want to be able to send MIDI clock, prog
> changes, set up
> >> drones, start/stop arpegiator and transmit chord info to
> arpegiator, + in
> >> the future control the EDP. If I can't do all these
> things, my access to a
> >> pedalboard is more important to me than features - some of
> em would be
> >> better than none.
> >>
> >> Any advice would be very helpful.
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> Ian.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
>

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At this price you could try it and if it didn't work for you, you could
either send it back or resell it!
Gary

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>>I guess that the Behringer FCB 1010 <snip>
In general it seems to be a very useful unit for most applications. Given
there is nothing
else like it in that price range its hard to complain, but it is not all
things to all people.

A great user site for this unit is:
http://www.altrion.org/fcb1010/

Bob





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hi, i'm trying to find a site on the web where i can download ede and efe
files for my ensoniq sampler. when i search on google i get a couple of
standard file sites, but nothing much good lives there...

any help would be mucho appreciated!

Thanks to all,

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> Actually, your ability to program things like cc messages and foot
> controller assignments would be impaired if you were unable to access the
> top row of switches on the 1010.

Ack,  good thing Mike cleared that up!!!

sorry for the misinformation. Ian.

thanks, Mike!  (I learned something I should know!)

Bob

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this may be of some use for those currently trying to pick from the many
midi foot controller available:

http://hem.fyristorg.com/g-force/midiboard.htm#comparison_table


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At 18:54 06/02/03 , you wrote:
>At this price you could try it and if it didn't work for you, you could
>either send it back or resell it!
>Gary


yEAH, THAT'S TRUE. iAN.

>-----Original Message-----
>From: astroblue [<mailto:astro@astroblue.com%5D>mailto:astro@astroblue.com]
>
>>>I guess that the Behringer FCB 1010 <snip>
>In general it seems to be a very useful unit for most applications. Given
>there is nothing
>else like it in that price range its hard to complain, but it is not all
>things to all people.
>
>A great user site for this unit is:
><http://www.altrion.org/fcb1010/>http://www.altrion.org/fcb1010/
>
>Bob
> 


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> At 5:08 PM -0500 2/5/03, Cino wrote:
> >"I knew it!  I just knew that that was going to be the last word!"
>
> We actually cut that line.

I thought that was the best line in the whole play!  ;-)

(For those who've never read "Salutations," the stage directions indicate
that this line is spoken by a person who does not exist.)

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nice resource jim. thanks!
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> this may be of some use for those currently trying to pick from the many
> midi foot controller available:
> 
> http://hem.fyristorg.com/g-force/midiboard.htm#comparison_table
> 
> 
> 

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hi cara, thanks for trying to look at my site, it is built in basic front
page with no extensions. sorry it would not let you see it. i will look into
how to remedy this. does anyone else out there no what i can do to my web
site so that cara's computer can access it? i am also a player who loops. i
look forward to hearing/seeing your stuff. i have lots of CDs with me if you
can make it to any of the shows this weekend. i've repasted the shows below.
hope that all is well,

staying warm in co,
peace & love

jimmy george
http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com

Hello to all my LoopyypooL (Fiends) Friends...

If you are in the neighborhood or know someone who is please come check out
my 'Looping Extravaganza Show' show this week in Colorado:

Thursday 8pm
Where: Cactus Jacks, 4651 HWY 73, Evergreen CO, 303-674-1564

FEB 7th Friday 8pm
Where: Evergreen Sports Grill, Evergreen, CO

FEB 8th  Saturday 8pm
Where: Sweet Rockin Coffee, 414 E. 20th Av. Denver CO 303-318-9788

My website http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com has good directions on the
schedule page.

Also please check out my 'Looping Tune Of The Month', 'Pacing The Cage' when
you get a chance. Thanks to all who have emailed feedback to me since the
last posting of the tune!

As always there are many other looping tunes on my 'music' / 'listen' page:

Other looping compositions on my 'listen' page include;

Trk 7 - on the 'she' cd
Trks 1 & 4 - on the 'LIVE' cd
Most the 'Rinsing Out The Turtle' cd - trks 2, 4, 5, 7, 8 & 11
Trk 7 - on the 'Passion For Discovery' cd
All of 'Live At The Ritz' (I will have all the tunes posted to stream this
week. This is a FUN show!)

Thanks for keeping it in the Loop...

peace and love peace and love peace and love peace and love

Jimmy George
http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com
http://www.jimmygeorgeband.com

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Nice job, but the omission of the Digitech PMC10, though discontinued,
is a glaring one...I mention this only because you include other
discontinued models and it appears your intention is to include them
all...


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this may be of some use for those currently trying to pick from the many
midi foot controller available:

http://hem.fyristorg.com/g-force/midiboard.htm#comparison_table



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Just a guess - but she probably has image downloading disabled.  For any <img> tags on your site use the "ALT" attribute to put in text that describes the image (or if the image is of text, then the text of the image (loop content?)).

Not sure how an image map works without images - but I think that the <area> tag has an ALT attribute as well.


At 04:28 PM 2003/02/06 -0700, Jimmy George Band wrote:
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>Nice job, but the omission of the Digitech PMC10, though discontinued,
>is a glaring one...I mention this only because you include other
>discontinued models and it appears your intention is to include them
>all...

Ditto with the Lake Butler Systems MIDI Mitigator,
my favorite, waterproof with a nice big screen!


>
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>this may be of some use for those currently trying to pick from the many
>midi foot controller available:
>
>http://hem.fyristorg.com/g-force/midiboard.htm#comparison_table


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I'm surprised no one has suggested the Lake Butler RFC-1 Midi Mitigator.  

Unfortunately, it has been discontinued, but they still can be found.

It has one row of footswitches and each one can be programmed to send any
midi command(s) you want.  

It has one CC input.

You can name your patches.

It's built like a tank.

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Where can I find a battery for this unit?
Last time I asked, I wound up buying a replacement that DOESN'T FIT in the
enclosure.
Has anybody got a source for me?
That way I can sell it 8^/
Gary

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Lake Butler RFC-1 Midi Mitigator.
It's built like a tank.



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>Where can I find a battery for this unit?
>Last time I asked, I wound up buying a replacement that DOESN'T FIT in the
>enclosure.
>Has anybody got a source for me?
>That way I can sell it 8^/

damn, I should start worrying about that.
I've had my units for ten years!  (though one of them
has no patches in it...)

     /t
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"you include other discontinued models and it appears your intention is to
include them all..."

hey, don't shoot the messenger.  i just happened upon this.

-jim


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Sorry, I forwarded an email to the website owner...

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"you include other discontinued models and it appears your intention is
to
include them all..."

hey, don't shoot the messenger.  i just happened upon this.

-jim



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"Sorry, I forwarded an email to the website owner..."

no sweat, duder.

-jim


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How is it compared to the fcb1010?
L.a



--- Scott Welch <SfWelch@Ductech.com> wrote:
> I'm surprised no one has suggested the Lake Butler
> RFC-1 Midi Mitigator.  
> 
> Unfortunately, it has been discontinued, but they
> still can be found.
> 
> It has one row of footswitches and each one can be
> programmed to send any
> midi command(s) you want.  
> 
> It has one CC input.
> 
> You can name your patches.
> 
> It's built like a tank.
> 


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Hi Ernesto,

ernesto schnack wrote:
 
> So was this tour documented in any way?  I'm sure many on this list
> (including myself) are interested to hear what you guys sounded like
> together.

Apparently there were audience recordings made by a particularly
dedicated fellow with a MiniDisc recorder at several gigs, and I know at
least one show got a dedicated "serious" recording treatment.  My guess
(and only a guess at this point) is that once the musicians in question
can sort through the tapes and decide on material they feel comfortable
in sharing, then some snippetts of the tour will probably materialize on
someone's web site.  Rest assured the list will be mercilessly spammed
if and when that happens...

Thanks for the interest,

--Andre LaFosse
The Echoplex Analysis Pages:
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  Hey Sean and all, I actually use screen-reading technology to access pc
and web and such, so unless  an image  has an alt tag, or a link is printed
in plain text, it may not show up in an accessible form.  
  Anyway, Sean, -great to meet ya in Cali last week!   -hope yer' doing
well...   

Smiles,

Cara

At 03:49 PM 2/6/03 -0800, you wrote:
>Just a guess - but she probably has image downloading disabled.  For any
<img> tags on your site use the "ALT" attribute to put in text that
describes the image (or if the image is of text, then the text of the image
(loop content?)).
>
>Not sure how an image map works without images - but I think that the
<area> tag has an ALT attribute as well.
>
>
>At 04:28 PM 2003/02/06 -0700, Jimmy George Band wrote:
>>hi cara, thanks for trying to look at my site, it is built in basic front
>>page with no extensions. sorry it would not let you see it. i will look into
>>how to remedy this. does anyone else out there no what i can do to my web
>>site so that cara's computer can access it? i am also a player who loops. i
>
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  Can it send separate commands or combinations of such on pedal press and
release?   Thanks bunches...   

Smiles,

Cara

	At 04:20 PM 2/6/03 -0800, you wrote:
>I'm surprised no one has suggested the Lake Butler RFC-1 Midi Mitigator.  
>
>Unfortunately, it has been discontinued, but they still can be found.
>
>It has one row of footswitches and each one can be programmed to send any
>midi command(s) you want.  
>
>It has one CC input.
>
>You can name your patches.
>
>It's built like a tank.
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Hi JG

rubber chicken software link to everything ensoniq I know




http://www.chickensys.com

mick ritchie




>hi, i'm trying to find a site on the web where i can download ede and efe
>files for my ensoniq sampler. when i search on google i get a couple of
>standard file sites, but nothing much good lives there...
>
>any help would be mucho appreciated!
>
>Thanks to all,
>
>JG
>http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com


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[ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ]

EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.

                    Show #307                    February 6, 2003.


RECAP:
On this show, I began a month-long focus on Orbital Decay, a spacemusic duo in
the Quakertown area.  who will be at the next Soundscapes Concert Series on
February 22.  The Featured CD at midnight was "Live in Concert."

The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Underwater Sunlight" by Tangerine Dream on
the Relativity label.

Orbital Decay  http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#feb
Soundscapes Concert Series    http://soundscapes.us


PLAYLIST:

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
11:00 pm
Tangerine Dream         Underwater Twilight      Underwater Sunlight
                                                   (Relativity)
Skin Mechanix           Interlude at the Edge    The Secret Life of Angels
                          of Known Space           (InfectionMusic)
Skin Mechanix           ZeitGeist                The Secret Life of Angels
                                                   (InfectionMusic)
Skin Mechanix           A Chromium Dark          The Secret Life of Angels
                                                   (InfectionMusic)
VA [Oliver Briand]      Transparences            Dreamwatchers' Tales (Mirage
                                                   Creations)
VA [Doktor Strange]     To be or not to be       Dreamwatchers' Tales (Mirage
                          Live?                    Creations)
Paul Ellis              Dissolve                 Into the Liquid Unknown
                                                   (Binary)
Paul Ellis              Alexandria               Into the Liquid Unknown
                                                   (Binary)
Paul Ellis              Drop Becomes Ocean       Into the Liquid Unknown
                                                   (Binary)
Under the Dome          Liquid Sky               Bellerophon (Neu Harmony)
Under the Dome          Launch                   Bellerophon (Neu Harmony)

12:00 am
Under the Dome          Drift                    Bellerophon (Neu Harmony)
Orbital Decay           Set #1                   Live in Concert (none)
Orbital Decay           Salt 4C                  Re-Entry (none)

1:00 am

 * = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)


NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on Orbital Decay.  The
Featured CD at Midnight will be "The Key of Sea" recorded on Star's End.

The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Cluster and Eno" by Cluster and Eno
on Sky Records.

Bill
===============================================================================
Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space  music  show.   Thursdays  at
11  pm  on  WDIY  88.1  FM,  Allentown  and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and
Phillipsburg.     http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic        All times are GMT-5:00
Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN
To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy  and  click  on  [Join  This  Group!]
Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown  91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am.
Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30.
http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm          http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow
Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh  and click  REAL AUDIO
Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill               All times are GMT-5:00
SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us

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  Now Released! Second Sufis new CD 'Infectious Substance.'

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Infectious Substance is will affect you. There is no known antidote.

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hi evrybdy

btw, since I dont'' know much about midi (almost no-thing)
if I have something like a fcb 1010 to control my re-peter
can I assign one of the two pedals to control the fader (i.e. volume)
of the selected track?
and could I control the volume of a non-selected track?
or, which is quite the same, can I control the volume of two 
different tracks with the two
pedals?


sorry. I guess this probably is very basic for the most of you...

thanks

b:k

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>   Can it send separate commands or combinations of such on pedal press and
>release?   Thanks bunches...

It can send anything you like -- but only on pedal press, not release.

You can send any combination of messages, program changes,
continuous controllers, sysex -- or you can go right in and
edit raw hexadecimal code.

a nice bright display, fairly big, that you can even see in the daytime.

(and it's waterproof, too!)

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No, this isn't my promised mini-essay on the Echo Pro.
 Not yet, I'm waiting to get an answer to the sync
issue with this unit.  The following link is to the
Line 6 message board and a thread I started trying to
get them to discuss the matter:

http://64.224.126.160/Boards/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=8&t=000033

Notice how they are trying to skirt around the issue. 
If perhaps some of you could chime in, it may finally
help get a straight answer out of them.  Or, am I not
stating the case correctly?  I think I am, but have
been proven wrong in the past!

While I love my Echo Pro, I'd like to get to the
bottom of this matter. 

Regards,
Rich



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Hi Cara,

Thanks for your response, Its good to make contact with other visually
impaired
musicians who are into using technology and working to try to make it
accessible to use (and into looping too!). I've been moved by the amazing
response I've had to my question (thanks so much everybody). From the
responses, I have a much better idea of what to look for. I guess my issue
with
technology is that my own expectations of equipment (in terms of what I
want to
do with it) are often far tgreater than the accessibility of it to me.
equipment that I can use a magnifying glass to read the screen in my home
studio become much less easy to use live. I'd really like to be able to
control
and automate most things from a pedal board - prog changes, note on (for
dronesand held arpegiation), tap tempo, sequencer/drum machine start/stop, +
stuff that I haven't even thought of. I've tried the Yamaha MFC10 which I
found
impossible. What do you use? 

Ian.


At 22:10 04/02/03 , you wrote:
>  Hey Ian, I'm also visually impaired, and have run into this issue before.
>  I end up using double rows anyway though, because I'm so damned picky!
>lol!   I like using alot of different sounds and such.  
>  Anyway, which FC's have you had experience with before?   What features
>or functions  are you wanting to control?   Does it need to be midi?   A
>friend was nice enough to create a couple of custom controllers for this
>last loop fest in Palo Alto,  and you can also replace the switches in the
>EDP foot controller with more positive ones which will trigger easily
>enough, but not unless you want them to.  They can also have a higher
>profile.   
>  Anyway, please don't  hesitate to send along any other questions or
>concerns ya might have.   I'd be delighted to help out if I can...   
>
>Smiles,
>
>Cara
>
>At 09:23 PM 2/4/03 +0000, you wrote:
>>Hi,
>>
>>I have posted on this subject before but am still looking for what I need
>>and could do with a bit of help.
>>
>>I'm looking for a good MIDI foot controller with just one row of
>>well-spaced foot switches - with or without a pedal. This is because I have
>>very little eye sight and can't hit the double-row controllers with any
>>degree of accuracy. I posted a couple of weeks ago about the Philip Rees
>>MM5 (now discontinued) but guess that nobody on the list has experience of
>>using it. I've checked out as many makes and models as I can find but they
>>all now seem to have two rows - Yamaha, Roland, Behringer, Digitech, Zoom,
>>Rocktron, Peavey(?)...
>>
>>I use a MIDI Wind controller with a couple of modules, a synth with
>>arpegiator and fx units and am saving for an EDP (I currently use a trusty
>>DL4) -. I need/want to be able to send MIDI clock, prog changes, set up
>>drones, start/stop arpegiator and transmit chord info to arpegiator, + in
>>the future control the EDP. If I can't do all these things, my access to a
>>pedalboard is more important to me than features - some of em would be
>>better than none.
>>
>>Any advice would be very helpful.
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>Ian.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>---
>
>  "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother.
>-Then, anything is possible..."  
>
><http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates>http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates
>
>Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe.  
>
><http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ba
dfiction 
>
><http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe>http://groups.yahoo.com/gro
up/the-guitar-cafe 
> 


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Hi Cara, I use screen-reading softwar and have same issue with non-alt tagged
web sites. Ian.


At 08:39 07/02/03 , you wrote:
>  Hey Sean and all, I actually use screen-reading technology to access pc
>and web and such, so unless  an image  has an alt tag, or a link is printed
>in plain text, it may not show up in an accessible form.  
>  Anyway, Sean, -great to meet ya in Cali last week!   -hope yer' doing
>well...   
>
>Smiles,
>
>Cara
>
>At 03:49 PM 2/6/03 -0800, you wrote:
>>Just a guess - but she probably has image downloading disabled.  For any
><img> tags on your site use the "ALT" attribute to put in text that
>describes the image (or if the image is of text, then the text of the image
>(loop content?)).
>>
>>Not sure how an image map works without images - but I think that the
><area> tag has an ALT attribute as well.
>>
>>
>>At 04:28 PM 2003/02/06 -0700, Jimmy George Band wrote:
>>>hi cara, thanks for trying to look at my site, it is built in basic front
>>>page with no extensions. sorry it would not let you see it. i will look
into
>>>how to remedy this. does anyone else out there no what i can do to my web
>>>site so that cara's computer can access it? i am also a player who loops. i
>>
>>
>
>
>---
>
>  "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother.
>-Then, anything is possible..."  
>
><http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates>http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates
>
>Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe.  
>
><http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ba
dfiction 
>
><http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe>http://groups.yahoo.com/gro
up/the-guitar-cafe 
> 


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*ahem*
DAVID TORN uses the Peavey PC1600x and controls it with a "dumb" MIDI
pedal--
Or so I hear . . .
Gary

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<snip> What do you use?

Ian.


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Yeah, while you're at it, could you find out why the Repeater's MIDI clock sucks
so hard?  It really sucks that manufactures will release a product unfinished or
not performing to it's advertised spec and then when asked about it will respond,
"do what now?"  Then they finally will discontinue a product and say, "oh, sorry
that product is no longer supported."  While IVL is honoring the Repeater's
warrentee, I think they should also be liable for ironing out all the major bugs.

That being said, I bought a second Repeater after Electrix went down knowing full
well I was buying it *as is*.  Sometimes you just have to accept your gear, warts
and all.

good luck,

Mark Sottilaro

"Rich R." wrote:

> While I love my Echo Pro, I'd like to get to the
> bottom of this matter.

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Could anyone tell me what patches, live-loopers are using in MAX/MSP
the only ones I have been able to find are percolate and fripp
which both seem quite basic.
Does one know where any truely cool looping patches are for Max/Msp????
I am trying to research how loopers are using new technology to redefine the
compositional language of looping, but I am coming up against a brick wall
as far as MAX/MSP use is concerned.
Any help appreciated
Geoff
(was iecha@hotmail just changed email address to this as hotmail was causing
problems.)   

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i'm salivating over this pedal. has anyone got their mitts on one yet?

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  Hi Ian, -just a quickie response for now.   One controller I used to use
for automating prog changes and such was a slightly mod-ed ART X-15 which
has a double row of five pedals along with two bank pedals, two switch type
control pedals, and two continuous control  pedals.  
  The modifications were just to the pedal surfaces to make them more
tactilly obvious, as they're pretty low-profile  otherwise.  
  I've used Roland pedal boards and currently  also have an FCB-1010 which
I haven't tried yet.   FFor the echoplex, I'm currently using the standard
EDP foot  controller  along with two custom pedals which control only
specific EDP functions.  I normally use the EDP foot  controller with my
feet, but used it with my hands for the Palo Alto Loop Fest, as I used the
other two with my feet, along with a volume pedal and a digitech space
station which mainly uses a continuous control pedal.   
  anyway, -will write more later, K?   Have an AWESOME Friday!...   

Smiles,

Cara

At 06:13 PM 2/7/03 +0000, you wrote:
>Hi Cara,
>
>Thanks for your response, Its good to make contact with other visually
>impaired
>musicians who are into using technology and working to try to make it
>accessible to use (and into looping too!). I've been moved by the amazing
>response I've had to my question (thanks so much everybody). From the
>responses, I have a much better idea of what to look for. I guess my issue
>with
>technology is that my own expectations of equipment (in terms of what I
>want to
>do with it) are often far tgreater than the accessibility of it to me.
>equipment that I can use a magnifying glass to read the screen in my home
>studio become much less easy to use live. I'd really like to be able to
>control
>and automate most things from a pedal board - prog changes, note on (for
>dronesand held arpegiation), tap tempo, sequencer/drum machine start/stop, +
>stuff that I haven't even thought of. I've tried the Yamaha MFC10 which I
>found
>impossible. What do you use? 
>
>Ian.
>
>
>At 22:10 04/02/03 , you wrote:
>>  Hey Ian, I'm also visually impaired, and have run into this issue before.
>>  I end up using double rows anyway though, because I'm so damned picky!
>>lol!   I like using alot of different sounds and such.  
>>  Anyway, which FC's have you had experience with before?   What features
>>or functions  are you wanting to control?   Does it need to be midi?   A
>>friend was nice enough to create a couple of custom controllers for this
>>last loop fest in Palo Alto,  and you can also replace the switches in the
>>EDP foot controller with more positive ones which will trigger easily
>>enough, but not unless you want them to.  They can also have a higher
>>profile.   
>>  Anyway, please don't  hesitate to send along any other questions or
>>concerns ya might have.   I'd be delighted to help out if I can...   
>>
>>Smiles,
>>
>>Cara
>>
>>At 09:23 PM 2/4/03 +0000, you wrote:
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>I have posted on this subject before but am still looking for what I need
>>>and could do with a bit of help.
>>>
>>>I'm looking for a good MIDI foot controller with just one row of
>>>well-spaced foot switches - with or without a pedal. This is because I have
>>>very little eye sight and can't hit the double-row controllers with any
>>>degree of accuracy. I posted a couple of weeks ago about the Philip Rees
>>>MM5 (now discontinued) but guess that nobody on the list has experience of
>>>using it. I've checked out as many makes and models as I can find but they
>>>all now seem to have two rows - Yamaha, Roland, Behringer, Digitech, Zoom,
>>>Rocktron, Peavey(?)...
>>>
>>>I use a MIDI Wind controller with a couple of modules, a synth with
>>>arpegiator and fx units and am saving for an EDP (I currently use a trusty
>>>DL4) -. I need/want to be able to send MIDI clock, prog changes, set up
>>>drones, start/stop arpegiator and transmit chord info to arpegiator, + in
>>>the future control the EDP. If I can't do all these things, my access to a
>>>pedalboard is more important to me than features - some of em would be
>>>better than none.
>>>
>>>Any advice would be very helpful.
>>>
>>>Thanks.
>>>
>>>Ian.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>---
>>
>>  "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother.
>>-Then, anything is possible..."  
>>
>><http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates>http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates
>>
>>Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe.  
>>
>><http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ba
>dfiction 
>>
>><http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe>http://groups.yahoo.com/gro
>up/the-guitar-cafe 
>> 
>
>
>


---

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-Then, anything is possible..."  

http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction 

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>(Good thread, Rick!)
>
>Here's one I posted quite some time ago, but I'll repeat it anyway (this
>being a looping discussion).
>
>Place an AM/FM radio next to your EDP and adjust the band and tuning until
>you are hearing the EDP's internal signals.  You can tell this when you
>frobnicate the EDP's controls (RECORD, OVERDUB, MULTIPLE, etc) and the
>sounds change.  Generally there are lots of radio tunings that will work,
>all producing different sounds.  (Other digital equipment such
>reverbs/delays/etc work as a source of "noise" too.)  Loop the radio into
>the EDP.  Rinse, repeat as necessary.

this may not work with the black EDP since for the CE test, the HF 
radiations have been reduced :-)
-- 


          ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org

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I'm snowed in with my new DL4.

jeff

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--- Tim Nelson <psychle62@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Since my reverbs are in the rack, I'm in the market
> for a reverb PEDAL, preferably stereo. I'd sort of
> been drawn to the Boss RV-3 or -5, but have been
> reading some negative reviews that they're not
> "reverby" enough, and consist of discernable delays.
> The DigiTech or one of the Zooms may be a possibility.
> I'm not so sure about the EH Holy Grail, and I'm
> pretty sure I want to steer clear of Danelectro.
> 
> I *don't* want a surf spring-reverb type sound; I'm
> looking for nice, lush big hall stuff. I'll be
> sticking the pedal upstream from my loopers, while the
> rack stuff (when I schlepp it) will continue to
> post-process the loops.

I haven't heard it myself, but I've read some very positive reviews of the EH
Holy Grail. They said the Hall sound was a good as the Spring sound, and both
were excellent. I'd be checking one out if I was in the market.

Greg

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I don't think these are available to the masses yet ... 

I'm still waiting for the Alesis ModFX boxes too!

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> i'm salivating over this pedal. has anyone got their mitts on one yet?
> 
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Ahhhh, so it comes out! Besides the paint color and
round buttons and factory Loop IV, what OTHER
differences are there that we've not been told about?
:-)

-t-

--- Matthias Grob <matthias@grob.org> wrote:
> this may not work with the black EDP since for the
> CE test, the HF 
> radiations have been reduced :-)


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Just wondered if anybody is interested in a "blonde" Oberheim EDP (Loop III
v5.0 OS) (+ cash) trade for a Repeater.

I currently have (2) EDPs and just wanted to check out a Repeater.

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Cara, Thanks. It sounds like a good idea to modify the pedals for both/either
increased tactile and visual prominance. Also, I've been thinking of just
using
one pedal board when actually, it might be easier to use different pedals for
different things. Ian.


At 21:05 07/02/03 , you wrote:
>  Hi Ian, -just a quickie response for now.   One controller I used to use
>for automating prog changes and such was a slightly mod-ed ART X-15 which
>has a double row of five pedals along with two bank pedals, two switch type
>control pedals, and two continuous control  pedals.  
>  The modifications were just to the pedal surfaces to make them more
>tactilly obvious, as they're pretty low-profile  otherwise.  
>  I've used Roland pedal boards and currently  also have an FCB-1010 which
>I haven't tried yet.   FFor the echoplex, I'm currently using the standard
>EDP foot  controller  along with two custom pedals which control only
>specific EDP functions.  I normally use the EDP foot  controller with my
>feet, but used it with my hands for the Palo Alto Loop Fest, as I used the
>other two with my feet, along with a volume pedal and a digitech space
>station which mainly uses a continuous control pedal.   
>  anyway, -will write more later, K?   Have an AWESOME Friday!...   
>
>Smiles,
>
>Cara
>
>At 06:13 PM 2/7/03 +0000, you wrote:
>>Hi Cara,
>>
>>Thanks for your response, Its good to make contact with other visually
>>impaired
>>musicians who are into using technology and working to try to make it
>>accessible to use (and into looping too!). I've been moved by the amazing
>>response I've had to my question (thanks so much everybody). From the
>>responses, I have a much better idea of what to look for. I guess my issue
>>with
>>technology is that my own expectations of equipment (in terms of what I
>>want to
>>do with it) are often far tgreater than the accessibility of it to me.
>>equipment that I can use a magnifying glass to read the screen in my home
>>studio become much less easy to use live. I'd really like to be able to
>>control
>>and automate most things from a pedal board - prog changes, note on (for
>>dronesand held arpegiation), tap tempo, sequencer/drum machine start/stop, +
>>stuff that I haven't even thought of. I've tried the Yamaha MFC10 which I
>>found
>>impossible. What do you use? 
>>
>>Ian.
>>
>>
>>At 22:10 04/02/03 , you wrote:
>>>  Hey Ian, I'm also visually impaired, and have run into this issue before.
>>>  I end up using double rows anyway though, because I'm so damned picky!
>>>lol!   I like using alot of different sounds and such.  
>>>  Anyway, which FC's have you had experience with before?   What features
>>>or functions  are you wanting to control?   Does it need to be midi?   A
>>>friend was nice enough to create a couple of custom controllers for this
>>>last loop fest in Palo Alto,  and you can also replace the switches in the
>>>EDP foot controller with more positive ones which will trigger easily
>>>enough, but not unless you want them to.  They can also have a higher
>>>profile.   
>>>  Anyway, please don't  hesitate to send along any other questions or
>>>concerns ya might have.   I'd be delighted to help out if I can...   
>>>
>>>Smiles,
>>>
>>>Cara
>>>
>>>At 09:23 PM 2/4/03 +0000, you wrote:
>>>>Hi,
>>>>
>>>>I have posted on this subject before but am still looking for what I need
>>>>and could do with a bit of help.
>>>>
>>>>I'm looking for a good MIDI foot controller with just one row of
>>>>well-spaced foot switches - with or without a pedal. This is because I
have
>>>>very little eye sight and can't hit the double-row controllers with any
>>>>degree of accuracy. I posted a couple of weeks ago about the Philip Rees
>>>>MM5 (now discontinued) but guess that nobody on the list has experience of
>>>>using it. I've checked out as many makes and models as I can find but they
>>>>all now seem to have two rows - Yamaha, Roland, Behringer, Digitech, Zoom,
>>>>Rocktron, Peavey(?)...
>>>>
>>>>I use a MIDI Wind controller with a couple of modules, a synth with
>>>>arpegiator and fx units and am saving for an EDP (I currently use a trusty
>>>>DL4) -. I need/want to be able to send MIDI clock, prog changes, set up
>>>>drones, start/stop arpegiator and transmit chord info to arpegiator, + in
>>>>the future control the EDP. If I can't do all these things, my access to a
>>>>pedalboard is more important to me than features - some of em would be
>>>>better than none.
>>>>
>>>>Any advice would be very helpful.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>Ian.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>---
>>>
>>>  "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother.
>>>-Then, anything is possible..."  
>>>
>>><<http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates>http://home.earthlink.net/~thefate
s><http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates>http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates
>>>
>>>Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe.  
>>>
>>><<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction>http://groups.yahoo.com/group
/badfiction><http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ba>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ba
>>dfiction 
>>>
>>><<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe>http://groups.yahoo.com/
group/the-guitar-cafe><http://groups.yahoo.com/gro>http://groups.yahoo.com/gro
>>up/the-guitar-cafe 
>>> 
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>---
>
>  "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother.
>-Then, anything is possible..."  
>
><http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates>http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates
>
>Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe.  
>
><http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ba
dfiction 
>
><http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe>http://groups.yahoo.com/gro
up/the-guitar-cafe 
> 


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Rick,

Yes, I believe I read a note by you in archives that
mentioned the same thing.  MIDI synching of loops is
not of much interest to me at the current time due to
equipment and budgetary constraints.  For those
reasons an EDP is not in my immediate future as well. 
My current rig, though, is quite satisfying.

The reason why I'm on this "mission" is more a matter
of principle now.  I asked them about synching
initially before I bought my Echo Pro to gather
information before I dropped the coin on the unit. 
After playing with one, I bought it regardless.  The
response from Line 6 technical support is lackluster
at best, especially since they insist on skirting the
issue.  I mean, even Digitech would come up with an
honest answer after a few emails (I actually like
Digitech's support, they've been very good to me).

Anyway, the synch issue is a legitimate concern,
especially when you're asking a company that is *still
in business* but is not responding to the customers
honestly.

Regards,
Rich

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Taking off your shoes could also help- you could glue rubber washers to the
pedals to distinguish between them.

Cliff


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me too i'm in KY awaiting the new EDP
matt


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>I'm snowed in with my new DL4.
>
>jeff


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Just got my EDP yesterday and spent all day today in the living room =
reading the manual and playing with it.  It rocks!  Much more powerful =
than my Boss RC-20 (probably about $450 more powerful).  But I really =
bought it for it's MIDI syncing capabilities... =20

Now I'm back in the studio with it, trying to get it hooked up to my =
computer.  I easily got it to listen to MIDI clock from Sonar so my =
loops were in time with my sequence, but I have not been able to get =
Sonar to listen to the clock the EDP generates. =20

I will try and be as thorough as possible, so you can help me (if you =
can) without a bunch of list traffic...

EDP Setup: OS LoopIII 5.0 (until LoopIV gets here next week), =
Sync=3DOut, 8ths/Beat=3D12 (the sequence I'm trying to start is in 6/4, =
145BPM), Channel=3D2 (does this matter?)

The MIDI cables are in place (EDP Out --> PC In, PC OUT --> EDP In), and =
Sonar is receiving *some* kind of signal from the EDP (the MIDI In light =
on the little icon in the systray is on when the EDP should be sending =
clock). =20

I have the Project -> Clock dialog options in Sonar set to Source =3D =
MIDI Sync, Ticks per quarter-note =3D 120 (default), SMPTET/MTC Format =
=3D 30 Frame Non-drop (default). =20

Symptoms:

- The manual says you're just supposed to start the sequencer and it =
will wait for MIDI clock and then start itself.  It says "Waiting for =
MIDI Sync..." in the status bar at the bottom of the screen when I press =
play in Sonar, but as soon as I step on Record on the EDP footswitch to =
start recording a loop for it to sync to, that message vanishes.  I =
tried setting MIDI --> Control Source on the EDP to all possible values =
(controller, note, and off) and nothing changed. =20

- If I have a loop running on the EDP already, sending MIDI clock, and I =
press play in Sonar it says "Waiting for MIDI Sync..." and sits there =
while the clock indicator on the EDP blinks away. =20

Am I missing something???  What kinds of software/hardware sequencers is =
everyone else using (if you are using sequencers with your EDP)?

Hopefully,=20

Jesse


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Just got my EDP yesterday and spent all =
day today=20
in the living room&nbsp;reading the manual and playing with it.&nbsp; It =

rocks!&nbsp; Much more powerful than my Boss RC-20 (probably =
about&nbsp;$450=20
more powerful).&nbsp; But I really bought it for it's MIDI syncing=20
capabilities...&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now I'm back in the studio with it, =
trying to get=20
it hooked up to my computer.&nbsp; I easily got it to listen to MIDI =
clock from=20
Sonar so my loops were in time with my sequence, but I have not been =
able to get=20
Sonar to listen to the clock the EDP generates.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I will try and be as thorough as =
possible, so you=20
can help me (if you can) without a bunch of list traffic...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>EDP Setup: OS LoopIII 5.0 (until LoopIV =
gets here=20
next week), Sync=3DOut, 8ths/Beat=3D12 (the sequence I'm trying to start =
is in 6/4,=20
145BPM), Channel=3D2 (does this matter?)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The MIDI cables are in place (EDP Out =
--&gt; PC=20
In,&nbsp;PC OUT --&gt; EDP In), and Sonar is receiving *some* kind of =
signal=20
from the EDP (the MIDI In light on the little icon in the systray is on =
when the=20
EDP should be sending clock).&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have the Project -&gt; Clock dialog =
options in=20
Sonar&nbsp;set to Source =3D MIDI Sync, Ticks per quarter-note =
=3D&nbsp;120=20
(default), SMPTET/MTC Format =3D&nbsp;30 Frame Non-drop (default).&nbsp; =

</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Symptoms:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>- The manual says you're just supposed =
to start the=20
sequencer and it will wait for MIDI clock and then start itself.&nbsp; =
It says=20
"Waiting for MIDI Sync..." in the status bar at the bottom of the screen =
when I=20
press play in Sonar, but as soon as I step on Record on the EDP =
footswitch to=20
start recording a loop for it to sync to, that =
message&nbsp;vanishes.&nbsp; I=20
tried setting MIDI --&gt; Control Source on the EDP to all possible =
values=20
(controller, note, and off) and nothing changed.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-&nbsp;If I have a loop running on the =
EDP already,=20
sending MIDI clock, and I press play in Sonar it says "Waiting for MIDI =
Sync..."=20
and sits there while the clock indicator on the EDP blinks away.&nbsp;=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Am I missing something???&nbsp; =
</FONT><FONT=20
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everyone else=20
using (if you are using sequencers with your EDP)?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hopefully, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jesse</FONT></DIV>
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> Yeah, while you're at it, could you find out why the Repeater's MIDI clock
sucks
> so hard?

Absolutely. That's why I sold my Repeater off (even though I liked it for
the multiple tracks). I used to sync a drum machine or groove box to my EDP
and I would get some really intersting rhythmic stuff. Totally unexpected in
some cases. So, I'm migrating back to an EDP.

The Repeater seemed to glitch a lot when changing loops. It would increase
drastically in tempo. Never 'could' resolve the issue. Used to drive me
nuts. 'Guess it depends how how one is using it.

Regards, Paul


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Repeater with fs300 footswitch.

manual 

power cable

version 1.1 software

both 16 meg and 256 meg cards...

used approximately 10 hours.

great machine, looks for happy home...

bidding starts at $950, best price gets it.

shipping extra, certified check or paypal fine...

email me off list.  starting notification here out of courtesy to my looping
colleagues before hitting ebay.  goes up on the block on Sunday.

all the best,

todd


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i'm a poor lonesome looper in germany, are there any others? i don't dare to ask for loop- festivals over here.....

Try contacting Rob Hoare (sax/flute & DL4 in Berlin) through his website:
http://www.robhoare.de/

Cheers,
Scott M2

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Just got a second DL4,
Cleaned some sticky junk off some
pedals,[old sticky price stickers]
Metho wipes the line6 paint straight off,
funny hey!
Boss-ibanez-akai- ect pedals survived
without a scar.  coooool
Line6 paint is very thin! 
Ok poor choice of cleaning fluid!
Turps or shellite may be less harmful,
But the boss and line6 paint are completely
different.
Any payouts?
cam



 


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EDP SUSRoundInsert
53 (default note no.)

hi Per,
haven't had time to duplicate your findings,
but obviously this is a bug.
(the digi-noise was quite a common symptom in
the loop4-beta days)

what Quant setting were you using?
does it happen while the EDP is in "Play"?

andy butler

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Dear Andreas,

you wrote:

"i'm a poor lonesome looper in germany, are there any others? i don't dare
to ask for loop- festivals over here.....  "

Don't be so hasty my friend!!   LOL.

I am currently making tentative plans for the 1st Berlin (Pan German)
Looping Festival with german loopers Andreas Willers and Leander Reininghaus
(who will be producing it) for sometime between July 2nd and July 9th to
coincide with  my solo live looping tour (I'm performing in 12 countries in
Europe and the British Isles this coming summer).

You should contact them about being part of this historic festival. I don't
know if
all the slots are filled yet but you should at least contact them.

Thanks for the post.

aufwiedersehen, mein freund,

Rick Walker  (aka Loop.pooL)
www.looppool.info


ps

Other german loopers are (and I'll add your name to the list for
anyone else who wants it) other loopers from Germany:

 Andreas Willers, a jazz guitarist a.willers@t-online.de
 Leander Reininghaus l.reininghaus@editionrahe.de
 Michael Peters mpeters@csi.com
 Louie Angulo laab2000us@yahoo.com
 ufo walter ufowalter@gmx.net
 Hanfreich http://www.hanfreich.de
 Bernhard Bockelbrink http://www.godeater.com
 Michael Elzer Wirehead@t-online.de
 axel schultheiss axelschultheiss@t-online.de
 Reinhard Stier reinhard-stier@gmx.de
 Martin Tauchen Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de
 Andreas Paulo  apaulo@web.de
 Rainer Straschill rs@moinlabs.de
 (Rainer tried to organize a German loop festival this fall, but it didn't
 work out)



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Is the I/O on the EDP balanced or unbalanced ?

thanks

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Unbalanced & mono

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Is the I/O on the EDP balanced or unbalanced ?

thanks

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excellent thanks, i was 99% sure it was but i'm recabling my rig so i =
thought i'd be 100% sure

again Thanks

David

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> Unbalanced & mono
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> Claude
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<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D2>again Thanks</FONT></DIV>
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Note:  All of the following is with Sonar 1, Loop III,v 5.0

|  Symptoms:

| - The manual says you're just supposed to start the sequencer and it will
| wait for MIDI clock and then start itself.  It says "Waiting for MIDI
| Sync..." in the status bar at the bottom of the screen when I press play
in
| Sonar, but as soon as I step on Record on the EDP footswitch to start
| recording a loop for it to sync to, that message vanishes.  I tried
setting
| MIDI --> Control Source on the EDP to all possible values (controller,
note,
| and off) and nothing changed.

Looking at the midi output from the edp using MIDI-OX
(http://www.midiox.com) it appears that the first message send by the EDP
when you press record (assuming you set ControlSource to off) is 'Stop'.  My
guess is that Sonar sees the message and does.  (Leastwise, my copy of Sonar
drops out of record when I press the record button on the EDP.)

| - If I have a loop running on the EDP already, sending MIDI clock, and I
| press play in Sonar it says "Waiting for MIDI Sync..." and sits there
while
| the clock indicator on the EDP blinks away.


Here, I believe Sonar is waiting for a 'Start' message, which got sent back
when you pressed record.

If you don't mind doing a little bit of programming, you may be able to use
something like KeyKit (http://www.nosuch.com/keykit/) to filter the
Start/Stop messages to something more to Sonar's liking.  I haven't tried
this so I have no idea what it will do to the stability of the MIDI clock
received by Sonar.  (Although I have played around with varying the rate at
which Sonar gets SMPTE messages using KeyKit, and it's kind of interesting
until Sonar give up.)

back to lurking
-daveh
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Actually, sorry, I am running Sonar 2.1 XL, and LoopIII v5.0

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> Note:  All of the following is with Sonar 1, Loop III,v 5.0
>
> |  Symptoms:
>
> | - The manual says you're just supposed to start the sequencer and it
will
> | wait for MIDI clock and then start itself.  It says "Waiting for MIDI
> | Sync..." in the status bar at the bottom of the screen when I press play
> in
> | Sonar, but as soon as I step on Record on the EDP footswitch to start
> | recording a loop for it to sync to, that message vanishes.  I tried
> setting
> | MIDI --> Control Source on the EDP to all possible values (controller,
> note,
> | and off) and nothing changed.
>
> Looking at the midi output from the edp using MIDI-OX
> (http://www.midiox.com) it appears that the first message send by the EDP
> when you press record (assuming you set ControlSource to off) is 'Stop'.
My
> guess is that Sonar sees the message and does.  (Leastwise, my copy of
Sonar
> drops out of record when I press the record button on the EDP.)
>
> | - If I have a loop running on the EDP already, sending MIDI clock, and I
> | press play in Sonar it says "Waiting for MIDI Sync..." and sits there
> while
> | the clock indicator on the EDP blinks away.
>
>
> Here, I believe Sonar is waiting for a 'Start' message, which got sent
back
> when you pressed record.
>
> If you don't mind doing a little bit of programming, you may be able to
use
> something like KeyKit (http://www.nosuch.com/keykit/) to filter the
> Start/Stop messages to something more to Sonar's liking.  I haven't tried
> this so I have no idea what it will do to the stability of the MIDI clock
> received by Sonar.  (Although I have played around with varying the rate
at
> which Sonar gets SMPTE messages using KeyKit, and it's kind of interesting
> until Sonar give up.)
>
> back to lurking
> -daveh
> --------------
> Dave Hastings
> dhastings@earthlink.net
> "The trouble with music appreciation in general is that people are
>  taught to have too much respect for music; they should be taught to
>  love it instead."
>
>  - Igor Stravinsky
>
>

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Yeah, I've had that issue while trying to synch to an EDP.  Something 
to do with how the EDP deals with tempo and clock though, not the 
Repeater.  I think we fixed it... it was Jon Wagner's EDP.  It was at a 
show... it was dark...

Anyway, I guess I'll just sit tight with the Repeater for the time 
being until the eBay prices go high enough so that I can sell it and 
get 2 EDPs in return.  I've found that I really need a stereo looper, 
plain and simple.  Kim once asked why any guitarist would want a stereo 
looper, and I've tried going all mono and now it just sounds dead and 
flat to me.  Of course, this all goes kind of out the window when 
playing a big venue, but since that hasn't happened to me yet, I don't 
care.  I think I'd still use stereo in in terms of stereo reverb and 
chorus.  One of my favorite distortion patches uses a tube gain circuit 
on the left, and a transistor "fuzz" style on the right.  It's very 
thick.

Mark Sottilaro

On Friday, February 7, 2003, at 06:49 PM, Butch wrote:
> The Repeater seemed to glitch a lot when changing loops. It would 
> increase
> drastically in tempo. Never 'could' resolve the issue. Used to drive me
> nuts. 'Guess it depends how how one is using it.
>
> Regards, Paul
>
>

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sometimes i do something similar with a tc-electronic g-major: it has a =
seamless-function, so a delay or reverb will not be cut off when you =
change to another sound. i take a delay with feedback 100%, and send a =
sound to it with a volume pedal (slowly!!). when i change to another =
sound, the delay wants to ring out, but it can't (100% feedback!). now i =
can play on the other sound program and have a extra loop running. it's =
not good for rhythmic stuff, because timing isn't so good when =
syncroniced to a looper, but for athmospheric sounds it works quite =
well. the sound you send should have a long decay (flute, keybord, =
compressed or distortet strings).=20
to stop it i found out two ways (with a feedback pedal): switch back to =
the delay with feedback pedal off, and sound will be cut, or switch back =
with feedback pedal half way down, and sound will ring out. =20
i hope, you understand my english!=20
have a nice time and good loops,
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>sometimes i do something similar with a =

tc-electronic g-major: it has a seamless-function,&nbsp;so a delay or =
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will not be cut off when you change to another sound. i take a delay =
with=20
feedback 100%, and send a&nbsp;sound to it with a volume pedal =
(slowly!!). when=20
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(100%=20
feedback!). now i can play on the other sound program and have a extra =
loop=20
running.&nbsp;it's not good for rhythmic stuff, because timing isn't so =
good=20
when syncroniced to a looper, but for athmospheric sounds it works quite =
well.=20
the sound you send should have a long decay (flute, keybord, compressed =
or=20
distortet strings). </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>to stop it i found out two ways (with a =
feedback=20
pedal): switch back to the delay with feedback pedal off, and sound will =
be cut,=20
or switch back with feedback pedal half way down, and sound will ring=20
out.&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>i hope, you understand my english! =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>have a nice time and good =
loops,</FONT></DIV>
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I am an idiot.  Didn't even look down at the message.  Thought you were
trying to succinct-ify my message for me.  :)  Thanks for the suggestions,
Dave!  Although, if anyone else has any ideas or experience, I am still in
the market for a solution!

-J

> Actually, sorry, I am running Sonar 2.1 XL, and LoopIII v5.0
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Hastings" <dhastings@earthlink.net>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 8:37 AM
> Subject: RE: Syncing Cakewalk/Sonar to EDP clock...
>
>
> > Note:  All of the following is with Sonar 1, Loop III,v 5.0
> >
> > |  Symptoms:
> >
> > | - The manual says you're just supposed to start the sequencer and it
> will
> > | wait for MIDI clock and then start itself.  It says "Waiting for MIDI
> > | Sync..." in the status bar at the bottom of the screen when I press
play
> > in
> > | Sonar, but as soon as I step on Record on the EDP footswitch to start
> > | recording a loop for it to sync to, that message vanishes.  I tried
> > setting
> > | MIDI --> Control Source on the EDP to all possible values (controller,
> > note,
> > | and off) and nothing changed.
> >
> > Looking at the midi output from the edp using MIDI-OX
> > (http://www.midiox.com) it appears that the first message send by the
EDP
> > when you press record (assuming you set ControlSource to off) is 'Stop'.
> My
> > guess is that Sonar sees the message and does.  (Leastwise, my copy of
> Sonar
> > drops out of record when I press the record button on the EDP.)
> >
> > | - If I have a loop running on the EDP already, sending MIDI clock, and
I
> > | press play in Sonar it says "Waiting for MIDI Sync..." and sits there
> > while
> > | the clock indicator on the EDP blinks away.
> >
> >
> > Here, I believe Sonar is waiting for a 'Start' message, which got sent
> back
> > when you pressed record.
> >
> > If you don't mind doing a little bit of programming, you may be able to
> use
> > something like KeyKit (http://www.nosuch.com/keykit/) to filter the
> > Start/Stop messages to something more to Sonar's liking.  I haven't
tried
> > this so I have no idea what it will do to the stability of the MIDI
clock
> > received by Sonar.  (Although I have played around with varying the rate
> at
> > which Sonar gets SMPTE messages using KeyKit, and it's kind of
interesting
> > until Sonar give up.)
> >
> > back to lurking
> > -daveh
> > --------------
> > Dave Hastings
> > dhastings@earthlink.net
> > "The trouble with music appreciation in general is that people are
> >  taught to have too much respect for music; they should be taught to
> >  love it instead."
> >
> >  - Igor Stravinsky
> >
> >
>
>

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" <jlucas@neoprimitive.net>
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Subject: Syncing Cakewalk/Sonar to EDP clock...


Loopers-

Just got my EDP yesterday and spent all day today in the living room
reading the manual and playing with it.  It rocks!  Much more powerful
than my Boss RC-20 (probably about $450 more powerful).  But I really
bought it for it's MIDI syncing capabilities...

Now I'm back in the studio with it, trying to get it hooked up to my
computer.  I easily got it to listen to MIDI clock from Sonar so my
loops were in time with my sequence, but I have not been able to get
Sonar to listen to the clock the EDP generates.

I will try and be as thorough as possible, so you can help me (if you
can) without a bunch of list traffic...

EDP Setup: OS LoopIII 5.0 (until LoopIV gets here next week), Sync=Out,
8ths/Beat=12 (the sequence I'm trying to start is in 6/4, 145BPM),
Channel=2 (does this matter?)

--Maybe beginning in 4/4 would simplify untill you get the expected
result channel has nothing to do with clock, realtime midi

The MIDI cables are in place (EDP Out --> PC In, PC OUT --> EDP In), and
Sonar is receiving *some* kind of signal from the EDP (the MIDI In light
on the little icon in the systray is on when the EDP should be sending
clock).

--this doesnt mean sonar is set to slave, EDP sends a lot of note ons

I have the Project -> Clock dialog options in Sonar set to Source = MIDI
Sync, Ticks per quarter-note = 120 (default), SMPTET/MTC Format = 30
Frame Non-drop (default).

--"Midi Sync" is quite vague it really should read Midi Clock (and NOT
midi time code wich is another story) the default for midi clock is 24
clocks per beat (?)

Symptoms:

- The manual says you're just supposed to start the sequencer and it
will wait for MIDI clock and then start itself.  It says "Waiting for
MIDI Sync..." in the status bar at the bottom of the screen when I press
play in Sonar, but as soon as I step on Record on the EDP footswitch to
start recording a loop for it to sync to, that message vanishes.  I
tried setting MIDI --> Control Source on the EDP to all possible values
(controller, note, and off) and nothing changed.

--did you try without starting sonar before maybe the stop edp sends at
record confuses sonar
start is sent and clock starts at EDP EndRecord (The loop time has been
set we can now send a clock rate)

- If I have a loop running on the EDP already, sending MIDI clock, and I
press play in Sonar it says "Waiting for MIDI Sync..." and sits there
while the clock indicator on the EDP blinks away.

--my guess is sonar isnt setup right

Am I missing something???  What kinds of software/hardware sequencers is
everyone else using (if you are using sequencers with your EDP)?

hope this helps

Claude

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 > EDP SUSRoundInsert
> 53 (default note no.)
> 
> hi Per,
> haven't had time to duplicate your findings,
> but obviously this is a bug.
> (the digi-noise was quite a common symptom in
> the loop4-beta days)
> 
> what Quant setting were you using?
> does it happen while the EDP is in "Play"?
> 
> andy butler


Hi Andy,

I played for hours today with EDP SUSRoundInsert 53 (default note no.)
and everything was just fine :-) No problems at all! My deepest
apologies for the false alarm. I am almost sure that my former problems
can be tracked down to a loose soldering inside the EDP, because back in
December it suddenly became silent and I opened it up to find one leg of
something (sorry, I'm not good with electronics) pointing right out in
the air. I guessed it was supposed to be soldered into an empty hole in
the card and borrowed a soldering kit and fixed that. Then the EDP
started. But I haven't tried midi SUSRoundInsert since then. I must say
I'm very happy that this function is working for me now and I have
started to reprogram the FCB1010 for ULTIMATE GLITCH ;-D  I've finally
realized that I will not have to buy plastic toys - I can glitch all my
expensive real instruments into sounding exactly like cheap plastic
toys!!!! Isn't it fantastic ? ;-D  Thanks a lot for the LOOP4 - it
rocks, seriously.

Best wishes

Per Boysen
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Hello to all my LoopyypooL Music (Fiends) Friends...

If you are in the neighborhood or know someone who is please come check out
my 'Looping Extravaganza Show' show tonight in Denver Colorado:

FEB 8th  Saturday 8pm
Where: Sweet Rockin Coffee, 414 E. 20th Av. Denver CO 303-318-9788

I will have a very special guest, Chris Blochinger on percussion...

My website http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com has good directions on the
schedule page.

Also please check out my 'Looping Tune Of The Month', 'Pacing The Cage' when
you get a chance. Thanks to all who have emailed feedback to me since the
last posting of the tune!

As always there are many other looping tunes on my 'music' / 'listen' page:

peace and love peace and love peace and love peace and love

Jimmy George
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Hello to all my LoopyypooL Music (Fiends) Friends...

If you are in the neighborhood or know someone who is please come check out
my 'Looping Extravaganza Show' show tonight in Denver Colorado:

FEB 8th  Saturday 8pm
Where: Sweet Rockin Coffee, 414 E. 20th Av. Denver CO 303-318-9788

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My website http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com has good directions on the
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Also please check out my 'Looping Tune Of The Month', 'Pacing The Cage' when
you get a chance. Thanks to all who have emailed feedback to me since the
last posting of the tune!

As always there are many other looping tunes on my 'music' / 'listen' page:

peace and love peace and love peace and love peace and love

Jimmy George
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http://www.jimmygeorgeband.com



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Hey Kids,

I just got done with a move, and I'm having some serious space issues.  
I don't have much anymore.  I realize that it would probably be best to 
sell my Mackie SRM450 speakers.  They've only been taken to about 5 
gigs since I bought them a few months ago.  They're in total perfect 
condition.  I think one has a slight scuff, but that's about it.  These 
sound *really* good.  Far better than the EVs or the JBLs of similar 
size and price.  I totally swear by them, but I'm not playing out as 
much as I though I would, and I'm hoping to be able to fund a pair of 
good powered studio monitors.

Anyway, I'm in the SF bay area, and I'd be happy to deliver these to 
you if you live nearby.  I'll ship them in the U.S., but I imagine 
shipping would be pretty pricey, as these are fairly heavy.  I'm good 
with Paypal, cashier's checks or good old fashion cash.  If I get a 
decent offer (They sell for $699 ea. new) I'll forgo the ebay route.

Mark Sottilaro

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THE AMBiENT PiNG   http://www.theambientping.com
Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30
  @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto
         3 blocks east of the Union Station subway.
         map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

This Tuesday February 11th - Tomasz Krakowiak
with Aidan Baker and William Davison

Percussionist Tomasz Krakowiak has fashioned a distinctive
sonic vocabulary within a framework of conventional and
unconventional instrumentation, including standard drums
(never in an orthodox alignment), found objects and various
homemade constructions. He has performed with many
experimental/improv ensembles & is currently part of two duos:
with turntablist Mike Hansen and with soundsinger Paul Dutton.
Tomasz will be joined at this show by ambient/ experimental
guitarist/looper Aidan Baker (from improv trio ARC) & experimental
musician William Davison (from improv sextet Six Heads).

Tomasz Krakowiak http://www3.sympatico.ca/krakowiak/
Aidan Baker http://www3.sympatico.ca/mokka  William Davison
http://members.rogers.com/dis.songs/SixHeads.html

Between Sets CD - "Interiors" by Sara Ayers (2001 - Dark Wood)
Dark, etherial sonic musings, created primarily from layers and
layers of Ayers' haunting voice, evoke thought, emotion & memory.
(Available at PiNG THiNGS)   http://www.saraayers.com
* Read a full review of this CD by rik maclean, later in this e-mail.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

* Also of interest to ambient and chillheads this week:
NICE+SMOOTH, SMALL WORLD and OSCILLATE present
HEART BEATZ, an event that features live pa from RAPOON
("notorious UK ambient gangster" Robin Storey - who's been
exploring some harder beats of late) and KINDER ATOM
(TO artists travel from tech-house to gentle ambient sounds.)
and DJs Greg Clow & Medicine Man in the "Smallworld
Chill Beatz" room plus uptempo fun from DJs in the
"Oscillate DnB Beatz" room. Friday February 14th, 2003
@ Surface (below Roxy Blu), 12 Brant Street, Toronto 
$12 at the door before midnight, $15 after, 19+, Doors 10pm
Rapoon - http://www.pretentious.net/Rapoon and event info:
http://www.techno.ca/nice/sections/events/event_frame.htm
 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's
finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus
performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia
(aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect
for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room
and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the
club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats
are on offer at the PiNG THiNGS ambient/experimental CD boutique.
Drop off food at PiNG THiNGS for the Daily Bread Food Bank too.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Coming Tuesday February 18th - The Sample Inquisition
(aka Sample Inq.).   http://www.mondohifi.com
Between Sets CD - "Darkest Before Dawn" by Steve Roach
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

rik maclean's PiNG THiNGS' CD REViEWs

"Interiors" by Sara Ayers

Sara Ayers is one of those people whose voice is an otherworldly
instrument, capable of shifting, flowing tones that most of us can
only dream of. I've known this for a while, and it's knowledge that's
been reiterated to me now as I listen to her latest release Interiors.

On Interiors Sara makes full use of her vocal abilities, creating
an ever-changing landscape of emotion and expression. Using
sparse instrumental accompaniment as a backdrop, Interiors is
a fine example of Sara's work.

Opening with the haunting "Strand of Pearls" Sara sets the stage
for the listener, establishing an environment that the rest of the
album will build upon. Multifaceted and complex "Strand of Pearls"
is a breathtaking track that brought me to tears with it's beauty.
Skip over to "But you Can't" where a repeated drone plays
underneath Sara's vocal stylings to create a sense of womblike
safety. In contrast a breathy distorted tone dances around the
periphery of "Night Hounds" filling the listener with unease.
Scary stuff, believe me...

An angelic choir opens "Drowning in Light" which leads into
the breathtaking "Blood Music". Words fail me in my ability
to describe this song, so don't expect a description other
than to say that this is the highlight of the disc, no small
praise with such a wealth of treasures.

So let's sum up, 'cause that's something I like to do
these days. Sara? Her voice is an otherworldly instrument.
Interiors? An ever-changing landscape of emotion and
expression. "Strand of Pearls"? Haunting and Breathtaking,
as in takes your breath away. "Blood Music"? Words fail me.

Anything more need be said? No, Let the music on Sara's
Interiors disc speak for itself...

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Hi all,

I want to say thanks to Rick Walker and some of the rest of 
you folks who advised me prior to and after my Line6 DL-4 
purchase a few weeks ago.

I'm ordinarily a happy (if occasionally exhausted) EDP user 
toting a monstrous rack everywhere I go. But, I just did my 
first all "acoustic" guitar looping gig today with my new 
"reduced impact" alternative rig consisting of a mere DL-4, 
a Prescription Electronics Experience pedal, an Ernie Ball 
Volume Pedal, eBows, slide, Behringer Blue Devil combo 
amp, and trusty Lakewood M-32 cutaway.

I played for over an hour and everything worked flawlessly. 
I am a happy camper with no lower back pain at all. I haven't 
played in public with this few effects in 23 years and set up 
and tear-down took only 2 minutes.

Yippee!!!

tEd � kiLLiAn

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HA!  Yeah, I went that way a while ago, and I have to say that overall 
it's nice to have a porto rig for small stuff, especially when you've 
got limited setup/breakdown time.  As for the weight, I consider it my 
"gym".

Mark

On Saturday, February 8, 2003, at 04:38 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I want to say thanks to Rick Walker and some of the rest of
> you folks who advised me prior to and after my Line6 DL-4
> purchase a few weeks ago.
>
> I'm ordinarily a happy (if occasionally exhausted) EDP user
> toting a monstrous rack everywhere I go. But, I just did my
> first all "acoustic" guitar looping gig today with my new
> "reduced impact" alternative rig consisting of a mere DL-4,
> a Prescription Electronics Experience pedal, an Ernie Ball
> Volume Pedal, eBows, slide, Behringer Blue Devil combo
> amp, and trusty Lakewood M-32 cutaway.
>
> I played for over an hour and everything worked flawlessly.
> I am a happy camper with no lower back pain at all. I haven't
> played in public with this few effects in 23 years and set up
> and tear-down took only 2 minutes.
>
> Yippee!!!
>
> tEd � kiLLiAn
>
> ArsOcarina@aol.com
> http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian
> http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
> http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake
>

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Yea..I gotta agree with all of that!  My new looping-lite rig consists of my 
Godin A5 fretless Acoustic/Electric Bass, L.R. Baggs ParaAcoustic DI, 
Adrenalinn, DL4, Mackie M800 power Amp and Epifani 1x12 speaker.
Small and portable, easy and quick to set up (all on a single pedalboard, 
pre-wired...just plug in and go)..leaves a lot more room for fun and 
looping!

Really need to hear "ted unplugged".....
Max


>From: Mark Sottilaro <sine@zerocrossing.net>

>
>HA!  Yeah, I went that way a while ago, and I have to say that overall it's 
>nice to have a porto rig for small stuff, especially when you've got 
>limited setup/breakdown time.  As for the weight, I consider it my "gym".
>
>Mark
>
>On Saturday, February 8, 2003, at 04:38 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote:
>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>I want to say thanks to Rick Walker and some of the rest of
>>you folks who advised me prior to and after my Line6 DL-4
>>purchase a few weeks ago.
>>
>>I'm ordinarily a happy (if occasionally exhausted) EDP user
>>toting a monstrous rack everywhere I go. But, I just did my
>>first all "acoustic" guitar looping gig today with my new
>>"reduced impact" alternative rig consisting of a mere DL-4,
>>a Prescription Electronics Experience pedal, an Ernie Ball
>>Volume Pedal, eBows, slide, Behringer Blue Devil combo
>>amp, and trusty Lakewood M-32 cutaway.
>>
>>I played for over an hour and everything worked flawlessly.
>>I am a happy camper with no lower back pain at all. I haven't
>>played in public with this few effects in 23 years and set up
>>and tear-down took only 2 minutes.
>>
>>Yippee!!!
>>
>>tEd � kiLLiAn


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...of course, now that I think about it if I picked up one of Mark's powered 
Mackies that would size down the "porta-rig" even more.
hmmmmmmm........
Max



>
>Yea..I gotta agree with all of that!  My new looping-lite rig consists of 
>my Godin A5 fretless Acoustic/Electric Bass, L.R. Baggs ParaAcoustic DI, 
>Adrenalinn, DL4, Mackie M800 power Amp and Epifani 1x12 speaker.
>Small and portable, easy and quick to set up (all on a single pedalboard, 
>pre-wired...just plug in and go)..leaves a lot more room for fun and 
>looping!
>
>Really need to hear "ted unplugged".....
>Max
>
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Another idea you might consider is programming both rows of the pedal to do 
exactly the same thing. That way, if you miss and hit the switch in the 
wrong row, it will still do the right thing.

or, remove the second row of switches completely. (assuming you don't 
otherwise need those for editing.)

kim

At 04:16 PM 2/7/2003, Ian Popperwell wrote:
>It sounds like a good idea to modify the pedals for both/either
>increased tactile and visual prominance.




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At 01:45 PM 2/4/2003, Daryl wrote:
>ADA made (makes?) a couple of them.  The MC-1 is similiar in size and shape to
>the EDP pedalboard, with 10 small switches in a long row.  They also made one
>that had a single row of 5 switches, but had really nice big, round buttons.
>However, neither of these offered programming capabilities I don't think.
>
> > >> ...a good MIDI foot controller with just one row

note that those old ADA pedals (like many midi pedals, unfortunately) only 
sent MIDI program change messages on a single MIDI channel. It didn't offer 
any programmability, so switch 1 always sent PC 1, switch 2 always sent PC 
2, etc. In other words, it is only useful for changing patches on a single 
device.

Ian's requirements were:
>I use a MIDI Wind controller with a couple of modules, a synth with
>arpegiator and fx units and am saving for an EDP (I currently use a trusty
>DL4) -. I need/want to be able to send MIDI clock, prog changes, set up
>drones, start/stop arpegiator and transmit chord info to arpegiator, + in
>the future control the EDP.

the ADA pedal would not be able to do that. In fact, most pedals can't do 
these things. Sadly, only a relatively small number of midi pedals have 
ever had the functionality to do more than just change patches on a simple 
multi-effect.

As far as I know, the only pedals that could meet this range of 
functionality would be the Digitech PMC-10, Rocktron AllAccess, Roland 
FC-200, Yamaha MFC-10, Lake-Butler Midigator, and the Behringer FCB1010. I 
think the Phil Rees pedal you mentioned can also do these things, but I've 
never been able to verify that.

Those pedals all have their pros and cons too, but at least they have a 
reasonably complete MIDI implementation. None of them is a single row of 
buttons except the Phil Rees. The Behringer seems less capable and harder 
to program than the others I listed, but it could do the job and has the 
lovely advantage of actually being available for a low price. Personally, I 
like the digitech pmc-10 best, but they are hard to find since they are 
long out of production.

kim


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At 01:57 PM 2/4/2003, Jimmy George Band wrote:
>have you tried the digital corp ground control?
>http://www.guitargeek.com/gearview/35/ the ernie ball passive volume pedal
>is also a nice addition...

The ground control is another really limited midi pedal. It only sends MIDI 
program change and some very limited continuous controller options. No 
sequencer control, no midi notes, etc. It lacks a MIDI In port so there is 
no way to back up and restore programming, or use an editor on a pc to 
program it. It's ok if you are a guitar player needing to control a couple 
effects and an amp channel switch. But if you need to control things like a 
Repeater, EDP, sequencers, arpegiators, or synth modules, the ground 
control can't do it.

There is also the "ground control pro". I'm not sure what is "pro" about 
it, because it can't do any of these things either. It does have a lot more 
buttons.

kim



______________________________________________________________________
Kim Flint                     | Looper's Delight
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hey sorry I didn't make it. I was honestly planing on going but it didn't work out.  post your next show in the area and I'll redeem myself.  -Chris




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How totally inappropriate.  So, while I didn't ask for your stupid 
spam, I'll give you a review you didn't ask for.  You're wife's jewelry 
is ugly (I have a degree in fine art, so take this as a professional 
opinion), and this isn't the forum spam people on.  Get a clue.  Don't 
be an ass.

Mark Sottilaro

On Saturday, February 8, 2003, at 06:51 PM, Lee Sebel wrote:

> and just in time for Valentine's Day.
>
> Please excuse the overtly crass commercialism, but hey...it is the 
> fruit
> of the lovely Denise's labor.  And seeing as a majority of our esteemed
> members are males who are no doubt still trying to figure out what to
> get the significant other for next Friday:
>
> http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi?PAGE=PROFRAME&PROD_ID=220594
>
> http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi?PAGE=PROFRAME&PROD_ID=220553
>
> http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi?PAGE=PROFRAME&PROD_ID=220550
>
> Denise started wholesaling her designs when my stepmom sold a necklace
> off her neck to a woman in Dallas.  We now have dealers in Austin, New
> Orleans and Shreveport with more to follow.
>
> Friends of ours turned Denise on to a friend of theirs who works at
> overstock.com and they flipped over her designs, and set her up on 
> their
> Worldstock page which is more artsy and craftsy stuff.  These 3 items
> are exclusive to the site and sell for less than her designs in the
> retail stores set up so far.  She's already sold 1 of each item in just
> the first few days, very good by net standards or so we've been told.
>
> --
> Tonefully yours...
>
> Lee Sebel • Cool Music Gear You Can't Live Without • 888-487-2166
>        Representing Innovative Instruments of Impeccable Quality
>                   2way Messaging : coolmusic@my2way.com
>
>>>> Give a listen to my original music <<<
>                                http://www.mp3.com/voltz
>
>

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ouch!

-jim


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Hi all,

So after having bought a used EDP "months and months" ago, and having had to 
get the input repaired since in came to me broken, I installed the loop 4 
chips "months" ago and today finally got around to trying everything out. 

All worked fine for awhile.. till I went out of the room for a bit (leaving 
EDP on).  When I came back, there was a strange set of characters on the 
screen, and nothing worked on it.  Now, when I power it up, the "loop 4" 
startup sequence begins, but then the unit hangs either on an "L" or on a 
totally blank screen.  

For what it's worth, I see two slow LOOP 4 's go from right to left... then 
one fast from left to right.. one fast from right to left.. then an L appears 
on the left and we're done.  

Any suggestions?

Given the poor track record of this unit since I've gotten it.. any 
suggestions on a place to get it overhauled?

Thanks!
--Tom Griesgraber

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no sweat chris! thanks for the note. good fun was had by all! i got to me
the wonderful cara from the ld list. she came down from boulder, very nice
lady and i look forward to playing some with her in the future.

best to you chris, i'll be back at sweet rockin march 15th (sat)...

staying warm...

peace
jimmy

http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com


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> hey sorry I didn't make it. I was honestly planing on going but it didn't
work out.  post your next show in the area and I'll redeem myself.  -Chris
>
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Come on man, 
It wasn't THAT bad. Not having the money for jam, definitely not for a
girlfriend/spouse/family I can relax for the valentines deal, but were such
not the case if a guy, a nice guy, off the list's wife had made something
that could offer a quick solution, i might go for it but in any case would
be happy or neutral for the heads up. It's not like he's plaguing the list
with BS. I feel this was innocent and maybe it isn't necessary to
immediately start in with the circling the on topic/off topic wagons and
digging in, you know? as if to enhance one's sense of being inside by more
clearly defining what is outside with hair-trigger? Is this level of
negativity and venom really necessary ?

Really don't think he intended the "hey guys if you need something for
valentine's my wife's made these" as an affront to the forum or it's theme,
and given he holiday's timing and all the money flower stores and gift
stores try to rake, the more money we as individuals can save w'out pissing
off our women(should we be so fortunate to have them:)), the more bucks left
over for buying gear, yes?

in any case i envy those of you who won't be alone on valentines, although
those of us who are will probably be bleeding through our gear and come up
with some deep emotional grooves that could kick butt:)

glenn (saving up for a repeater, should they descend down into reason
pricewise) 

p.s.  was there ever an answer to someone's question if that fancy Digitech
pedalboard that used the phrase "Jamman 2" on it's exterior, really had
jamman gizzards/abilities or was mostly a ruse?

on 2/8/03 8:21 PM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:

> How totally inappropriate.  So, while I didn't ask for your stupid
> spam, I'll give you a review you didn't ask for.  You're wife's jewelry
> is ugly (I have a degree in fine art, so take this as a professional
> opinion), and this isn't the forum spam people on.  Get a clue.  Don't
> be an ass.
> 
> Mark Sottilaro
> 
> On Saturday, February 8, 2003, at 06:51 PM, Lee Sebel wrote:
> 
>> and just in time for Valentine's Day.
>> 
>> Please excuse the overtly crass commercialism, but hey...it is the
>> fruit
>> of the lovely Denise's labor.  And seeing as a majority of our esteemed
>> members are males who are no doubt still trying to figure out what to
>> get the significant other for next Friday:
>> 
>> http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi?PAGE=PROFRAME&PROD_ID=220594
>> 
>> http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi?PAGE=PROFRAME&PROD_ID=220553
>> 
>> http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi?PAGE=PROFRAME&PROD_ID=220550
>> 
>> Denise started wholesaling her designs when my stepmom sold a necklace
>> off her neck to a woman in Dallas.  We now have dealers in Austin, New
>> Orleans and Shreveport with more to follow.
>> 
>> Friends of ours turned Denise on to a friend of theirs who works at
>> overstock.com and they flipped over her designs, and set her up on
>> their
>> Worldstock page which is more artsy and craftsy stuff.  These 3 items
>> are exclusive to the site and sell for less than her designs in the
>> retail stores set up so far.  She's already sold 1 of each item in just
>> the first few days, very good by net standards or so we've been told.
>> 
>> --
>> Tonefully yours...
>> 
>> Lee Sebel € Cool Music Gear You Can't Live Without € 888-487-2166
>> Representing Innovative Instruments of Impeccable Quality
>> 2way Messaging : coolmusic@my2way.com
>> 
>>>>> Give a listen to my original music <<<
>> http://www.mp3.com/voltz
>> 
>> 
> 

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michael klobuchar wrote:

"per.....nice site.....where did you get that picture of mr. walker?.....you
know he really doesn't look like that any more.....:).....michael "



No, it doesn't look like rick any more...................

He's sooooooooooo much better looking than that now.


signed,   a really, really, really good friend of ricks.


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  -Who just happens to  share his e-mail addy!   lol!   -Yeah!, that Rick's
a babe!, eh?!   lol!   

Smiles,

Cara

At 01:04 AM 2/9/03 -0800, you wrote:
>
>michael klobuchar wrote:
>
>"per.....nice site.....where did you get that picture of mr. walker?.....you
>know he really doesn't look like that any more.....:).....michael "
>
>
>
>No, it doesn't look like rick any more...................
>
>He's sooooooooooo much better looking than that now.
>
>
>signed,   a really, really, really good friend of ricks.
>
>
>


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> michael klobuchar wrote:
> 
> "per.....nice site.....where did you get that picture of mr. 
> walker?.....you know he really doesn't look like that any 
> more.....:).....michael " 
> 
> No, it doesn't look like rick any more...................
> 
> He's sooooooooooo much better looking than that now. 
> signed,   a really, really, really good friend of ricks.
> 

The picture was first used at Rick's old web page and I just gave it a
simple Photoshop treatment - shaping up contrasts and a putting a light
green stick. Yeah, I heard some rumours on the Internet about "purple
hair"... Maybe I should fire up Photoshop again and paint some purple
into it?   ;-)

He, he... Seriously, if another picture is available I could easily
exchange it. I put the site up to help me promote the tour to the
Swedish media. 

Per 

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  Awe, that's way sweet of ya!  <smile>     
  So hey guys, Jimmy played a way rockin' high-energy creative show
tonight!  Lot's o' cool loopage, and way happenin'  interactions between he
and Chris and the audience.   They tore it up!   woohoo!  
  *laughing*  OK, I'll say what I told Dre on the phone on the way home
from this one.   So Jimmy, if ya don't dig it, E-MAIL Andre!, not me!
lol!     If ya do, then go ahead and tell me how cool my comparison is!
lollollol!  I mentioned that I thought the show reminded me of a
combination of Rick Walker, Bill Walker, and Jim morrison!   -cause it had
a way firy edge!   -so Dre was like, ya gotta' write that!, so there ya
go!...  lol!    
  -Had a blast tonight, guys,  it was some of the most interesting and
creative music I've heard  in CO.  -Thanks alot for the fun and creative
show!   

Smiles,

Cara


  
>no sweat chris! thanks for the note. good fun was had by all! i got to me
>the wonderful cara from the ld list. she came down from boulder, very nice
>lady and i look forward to playing some with her in the future.
>
>best to you chris, i'll be back at sweet rockin march 15th (sat)...
>
>staying warm...
>
>peace
>jimmy
>
>http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com
>
>
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>> hey sorry I didn't make it. I was honestly planing on going but it didn't
>work out.  post your next show in the area and I'll redeem myself.  -Chris
>>
>>
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Kim, Thanks for the round  up. Now I've got to make my choice and make it work
for me! Ian.


At 03:47 09/02/03 , you wrote:
>At 01:45 PM 2/4/2003, Daryl wrote:
>>ADA made (makes?) a couple of them.  The MC-1 is similiar in size and shape
to
>>the EDP pedalboard, with 10 small switches in a long row.  They also made
one
>>that had a single row of 5 switches, but had really nice big, round buttons.
>>However, neither of these offered programming capabilities I don't think.
>>
>> > >> ...a good MIDI foot controller with just one row
>
>note that those old ADA pedals (like many midi pedals, unfortunately) only 
>sent MIDI program change messages on a single MIDI channel. It didn't offer 
>any programmability, so switch 1 always sent PC 1, switch 2 always sent PC 
>2, etc. In other words, it is only useful for changing patches on a single 
>device.
>
>Ian's requirements were:
>>I use a MIDI Wind controller with a couple of modules, a synth with
>>arpegiator and fx units and am saving for an EDP (I currently use a trusty
>>DL4) -. I need/want to be able to send MIDI clock, prog changes, set up
>>drones, start/stop arpegiator and transmit chord info to arpegiator, + in
>>the future control the EDP.
>
>the ADA pedal would not be able to do that. In fact, most pedals can't do 
>these things. Sadly, only a relatively small number of midi pedals have 
>ever had the functionality to do more than just change patches on a simple 
>multi-effect.
>
>As far as I know, the only pedals that could meet this range of 
>functionality would be the Digitech PMC-10, Rocktron AllAccess, Roland 
>FC-200, Yamaha MFC-10, Lake-Butler Midigator, and the Behringer FCB1010. I 
>think the Phil Rees pedal you mentioned can also do these things, but I've 
>never been able to verify that.
>
>Those pedals all have their pros and cons too, but at least they have a 
>reasonably complete MIDI implementation. None of them is a single row of 
>buttons except the Phil Rees. The Behringer seems less capable and harder 
>to program than the others I listed, but it could do the job and has the 
>lovely advantage of actually being available for a low price. Personally, I 
>like the digitech pmc-10 best, but they are hard to find since they are 
>long out of production.
>
>kim
>
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At 02:55 09/02/03 , you wrote:
>Another idea you might consider is programming both rows of the pedal to do 
>exactly the same thing. That way, if you miss and hit the switch in the 

Can the FCB1010 work with both rows doing the same function? .


>wrong row, it will still do the right thing.
>
>or, remove the second row of switches completely. (assuming you don't 
>otherwise need those for editing.)
>
>kim
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>>It sounds like a good idea to modify the pedals for both/either
>>increased tactile and visual prominance.
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My apologies to any of those who might have been offended by my off
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Don't know how it happened, but the post was meant for a Kevin Gilbert
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How it wound up here I'm not quite sure.

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Could anyone tell me what patches, live-loopers are using in MAX/MSP
the only ones I have been able to find are percolate and fripp
which both seem quite basic.
Does one know where any truely cool looping patches are for Max/Msp????
I am trying to research how loopers are using new technology to redefine the
compositional language of looping, but I am coming up against a brick wall
as far as MAX/MSP use is concerned.
Any help appreciated
Geoff
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its all fun till some innocent shows up at a LOOPFEST and really sees this 
mr. walker in the "purple haired loop freakish" flesh....."but mamma, they 
told me it was bible session.....it was his picture, he looked like mormon 
IBM salesman.....honest, i left when he pulled out the day-glo green vibrator 
and began making all these "devil" sounds that went on and on and 
on.....".....:).....michael

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hopefully it's still under warranty.  send it to
gibson's illinois repair facility.  

-jim

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I use the FCB1010 in exactly this way.  I find it very useful, but you 
have to be mindful of what tracks you're playing into.  Yesterday I was 
doing a pretty cool thing where I had a loop going in stereo on 3-4 and 
another in 1-2.  I started using the 1010 to act as a volume pedal for 
1-2 but to control the attack of my guitar (sustained with a sustaniac) 
and the loop in 1-2.  Very cool effect.

Mark Sottilaro

On Friday, February 7, 2003, at 07:39 AM, bruno kleinefeld wrote:

> hi evrybdy
>
> btw, since I dont'' know much about midi (almost no-thing)
> if I have something like a fcb 1010 to control my re-peter
> can I assign one of the two pedals to control the fader (i.e. volume)
> of the selected track?
> and could I control the volume of a non-selected track?
> or, which is quite the same, can I control the volume of two different 
> tracks with the two
> pedals?
>
>
> sorry. I guess this probably is very basic for the most of you...
>
> thanks
>
> b:k
>

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At 2:58 PM -0500 2/9/03, Marvin Henley wrote:
>  I`m jumping right in the water. I`m new to audio and will start off 
>simply as a hobby.
>    I read that connecting audio is simplified by devices such as 
>Realistic Tape Control Center 42-2105.
>    As luck would have it,I found one in a garage sale and bought it.
>      Now I have to figure the hookups. Problem: No manual.    Anyone have one?

http://www.jukn55.com/other-items-audio.html

It looks pretty simple, so a manual shouldn't really be necessary. 
The back panel has pairs of RCA connections for the stereo inputs and 
outputs of a Receiver (which could be any audio device), and three 
Tape decks (which could also be any audio device). The front panel 
has toggle switches to select the routing of the signal among the 
devices.

The top set of three switches allows you to select whether each of 
the tape decks receives signal from the receiver or from the "Dubbing 
Buss." The first three switches in the bottom set allow you to send 
the tape outputs to either the dubbing buss or the output. The fourth 
switch on the bottom allows you to send either the dubbing buss 
signal or the output signal to the receiver.

The best way to understand how this works is to take the inputs and 
outputs one at a time and see how various combinations affect the 
signal flow.

Not that this is a device designed to work with consumer-level 
signals (-10dBV). There might be a problem with overload if you use 
stronger signals as inputs. However, it might be a passive device, in 
which case you're probably OK.
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<div>At 2:58 PM -0500 2/9/03, Marvin Henley wrote:</div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Arial" size="-1">&nbsp;I`m
jumping right in the water. I`m new to audio and will start off simply
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<blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Arial" size="-1">&nbsp;&nbsp;
I read that connecting audio is simplified by devices such as
Realistic Tape Control Center 42-2105.</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Arial" size="-1">&nbsp;&nbsp;
As luck would have it,I found one in a garage sale and bought
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Problem: No manual.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Anyone have
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<div><tt>http://www.jukn55.com/other-items-audio.html</tt></div>
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<div><tt>It looks pretty simple, so a manual shouldn't really be
necessary. The back panel has pairs of RCA connections for the stereo
inputs and outputs of a Receiver (which could be any audio device),
and three Tape decks (which could also be any audio device). The front
panel has toggle switches to select the routing of the signal among
the devices.</tt></div>
<div><tt><br></tt></div>
<div><tt>The top set of three switches allows you to select whether
each of the tape decks receives signal from the receiver or from the
&quot;Dubbing Buss.&quot;</tt> The first three switches in the bottom
set allow you to send the tape outputs to either the dubbing buss or
the output. The fourth switch on the bottom allows you to send either
the dubbing buss signal or the output signal to the receiver.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>The best way to understand how this works is to take the inputs
and outputs one at a time and see how various combinations affect the
signal flow.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Not that this is a device designed to work with consumer-level
signals (-10dBV). There might be a problem with overload if you use
stronger signals as inputs. However, it might be a passive device, in
which case you're probably OK.</div>
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Wow thanks Cara! What do you say you we head up to Cally and join the tribe?
Very kind words and i am honored you came in from Boulder to catch the show.
I look forward to playing with you in the near future. Perhaps you would
like also to open for my show back at Sweet Rockin Sat March 15th? Co seems
to be pretty open to the new Looping Movement. Lets keep the pressure on...

Your comparisons filled my heart with gratitude. I am very honored. Thanks
for the wonderful review!

peace and love
keep it in the Loop
Jimmy George
http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com


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>   Awe, that's way sweet of ya!  <smile>
>   So hey guys, Jimmy played a way rockin' high-energy creative show
> tonight!  Lot's o' cool loopage, and way happenin'  interactions between
he
> and Chris and the audience.   They tore it up!   woohoo!
>   *laughing*  OK, I'll say what I told Dre on the phone on the way home
> from this one.   So Jimmy, if ya don't dig it, E-MAIL Andre!, not me!
> lol!     If ya do, then go ahead and tell me how cool my comparison is!
> lollollol!  I mentioned that I thought the show reminded me of a
> combination of Rick Walker, Bill Walker, and Jim morrison!   -cause it had
> a way firy edge!   -so Dre was like, ya gotta' write that!, so there ya
> go!...  lol!
>   -Had a blast tonight, guys,  it was some of the most interesting and
> creative music I've heard  in CO.  -Thanks alot for the fun and creative
> show!
>
> Smiles,
>
> Cara
>
>
>
> >no sweat chris! thanks for the note. good fun was had by all! i got to me
> >the wonderful cara from the ld list. she came down from boulder, very
nice
> >lady and i look forward to playing some with her in the future.
> >
> >best to you chris, i'll be back at sweet rockin march 15th (sat)...
> >
> >staying warm...
> >
> >peace
> >jimmy
> >
> >http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <chrismandel@juno.com>
> >To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> >Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 9:13 PM
> >Subject: Re:Jimmy George Music Tonight in Denver Colorado...
> >
> >
> >> hey sorry I didn't make it. I was honestly planing on going but it
didn't
> >work out.  post your next show in the area and I'll redeem
yself.  -Chris
> >>
> >>
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Any links to mp3s of the event?  I never see these messages in time to go!

Sempai
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  Musicians:

  Andrew D'Angelo: alto sax, electronics
  Laurent Brondel: electric guitar, electronics
  Skye Steele: violin, electric violin
  Mike Pride: drums, objects

  We will be performing Tuesday, February 4th in the AlterKnit Theatre at 8PM.
  Knitting Factory, 74 Leonard St. (between Chruch and Broadway), New York
  N,R,Q or W train to Canal St.

  For a description, I would say another anarchistic experiment in music. Plenty of looping.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Any links to mp3s of the event?&nbsp; I never see 
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Hey,

Our drummer was in PseudoBuddha, and is in touch with BobDog.  I can have
him email you with contact info.

Also talking with BobDog and looks like he will be out to the west coast
this summer and be touring with our band, Land of the Blind.  So if all
else fails, we can hook you up then.

Thanks,
Cyoakha

At 04:06 PM 2/2/03 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi Bob (if you are getting this), or anyone who knows how to get in touch.
>
>What are your current addresses for email and snail-mail?
>
>Thanks.
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>speaking of, i'm thinking of getting a malletkat and i was wondering if
>anybody has suggestions for a good sound engine for acoustic sounds.  it's
>not so off-topic...the reason i don't get an acoustic
>marimba/vibraphone/etc. is because it's very easy to loop with an electronic
>device (as opposed to looping a pair of mics) and loop with this device i
>will.
>
>-jim

right, the origin of this threat is not OT at all: Electronic 
instruments somehow dont fit with the what most of us like about live 
looping. We want to take advantage of the organic playing which has 
been "opressed" by electronic music. And loop units are basically 
capable, but we have a feedback and noise problem. So far nothing new.

Now, there is a clear distinction between electric and electronic 
instruments. Unfortunately those names are not very clear: An 
electric instrument picks up a physical vibration while the 
electronic instrument generates electronically.

So what we want for looping are electric instruments!
They do not only preserve your organic operation of it, but in many 
cases enhance it!
For example, a PARADIS guitar has a dynamic you could never get from 
an acustic instrument. My electric clay pot has a dry bass kick note 
when you close one hole and hit the other hole. With both holes 
closed, no acoustic sound comes out, but a headphone cell between 
inside and outside grabs it drasticly!
We can create very small electric instruments that would never work 
acoustically.
I made a bass Kalimba for example, by attaching a weight to the 
tongues. The ordinary small Kalimba box is never able to transmit 
such low notes, but a piezo pickup is!
The same goes for all vibrating materials with little surface: they 
dont move air, but the pickup gets the vibration authentically, so 
you can make every silent object audible!
I am sure, a marimba with a piezo in each tone sounds much fuller, 
more balanced and more dynamic than it ever could through 
microphones! And probably cheaper.

The problem is always where to put the pick up. Sometimes the wire is 
also a problem, but usually lesser than a mikstand would be.
In case of the marimba, the point where the key is supported would be 
obvious. But I see two problems:
- the key may be too loose and vibrate off the support, which would buzz ugly
- the hit of the mallet is fully translated to the pickup which might 
be to much of attack.
So the pickup would have to be glued into the wood. I am sure it 
picks up, because I have done such things before. But then, you have 
a wire to every key and its inevitably sensible also, since its end 
is at the piezo. So you have to conduct it in a way that it cannot be 
touched and does not dampen the keys vibration... should be possible, 
no?

So please go ahead and build those instruments, unfortunately I dont 
find time for it...
it has been my work before the looping story and I still find it just 
as important for the development of the music culture!
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Marklar said:
>I think varying a loop is pretty important.  Aside from a less than 
>100% feedback situation,

yep, I love that :-)

>I'm almost always applying some sort of effect to my loop via the 
>Repeater's effects loop.  Usually the path includes processors that 
>allow real time tweakage.  Being able to manipulate the loop while 
>playing into the loop uneffected is what makes the Repeater my main 
>looping device.

but you can always put a processor after the EDP to get the same, no?
I also want my airFX switchable before and after the EDP. Not as 
elegantely as the Repeater does it, but still, its just a switch!
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>In a message dated 03/02/03 04:12:44 GMT Standard Time,
>Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes:
>
>>  >I noticed that when you hit a piano note for the second time
>>   >while holding the sus pedal down there's a very different sound.
>>   >a lot brighter, because the hammer collides with the vibrations
>>   >from another note.
>> 
>>   when I used to play piano, I loved to press the pedal just a little
>>   after releasing the keys, so the damper would touch the string
>>   quickly and make it sound soft, but the sustain would be long, and
>>   somehow even seem longer...
>
>For clarity, that's an Upright piano (right?)

yes, but should be the same on a grand...

>the grand piano soft pedal is v.different.

oh, I was not talking about the soft pedal, but the sustain pedal!

>Another trick is to damp the string by hand, and release it
>as the note sounds, seems like a swell.

similar idea, but not possible whith whole cords.

>  >  Shure, this effect could be sampled an plaied even simpler on a
>>   electronic instrument...
>
>well think how many samples you have in the top
>of the range digi-pianos.
>Each note recorded at a number of different volumes.
>...and different pedals.
>...and still it sounds nothing like it.

thats it...

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>For what it's worth, I see two slow LOOP 4 's go from right to left... then
>one fast from left to right.. one fast from right to left.. then an L appears
>on the left and we're done.

yeah, I tried to make it dance... :-)

No, I dont remember to ever have seen a crash at this point...
By looking at the soft sequence, I suspect the CODEC... its the 
square chip on the left saying "Crystal". Hit it, it may be a bad 
contact.
Otherwhise Shane will have to look at it!
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Hi all,

Upon the suggestion of Gary in SD, I tried reseating the loop 4 eproms.  This 
got me passt the probelm of the EDP "hanging" on startup, but now when it 
does start, it only shows 99 seconds of record time.  This is a Gibson unit, 
so it came with the full 16MB.  It used to read 198 seconds.  In fact it did 
on loop 3 and 4.. up until yesterday anyways.  

I also just had it (on startup) get into an endless cycle of startup graphics 
(it would get to the end of all the "loop 4" graphics and then start the 
whole cycle over again... and again.. and again.  

I tried removing and reseating the RAM (in fact swapping slots).  With just 
two chips in the "0" slots it reads 50 seconds (still half what it should be 
with 2 4MB chips, right?).  This is sounding more like a software problem 
than a hardware problem to me right now.

Is Gibson really the best (only?) place to send this.  When I've tried asking 
them about EDPs before they were pretty clueless (best info I got was 
somebody reading the product info to me off their website).

Thanks in advance for any tips!
--Tom Griesgraber

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Re: Tape Control Center.                             Many thanks!!
                                                      Gene
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  Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 3:36 PM
  Subject: Re: Tape Control Center.


  At 2:58 PM -0500 2/9/03, Marvin Henley wrote:
     I`m jumping right in the water. I`m new to audio and will start off =
simply as a hobby.
       I read that connecting audio is simplified by devices such as =
Realistic Tape Control Center 42-2105.
       As luck would have it,I found one in a garage sale and bought it.
         Now I have to figure the hookups. Problem: No manual.    Anyone =
have one?


  http://www.jukn55.com/other-items-audio.html


  It looks pretty simple, so a manual shouldn't really be necessary. The =
back panel has pairs of RCA connections for the stereo inputs and =
outputs of a Receiver (which could be any audio device), and three Tape =
decks (which could also be any audio device). The front panel has toggle =
switches to select the routing of the signal among the devices.


  The top set of three switches allows you to select whether each of the =
tape decks receives signal from the receiver or from the "Dubbing Buss." =
The first three switches in the bottom set allow you to send the tape =
outputs to either the dubbing buss or the output. The fourth switch on =
the bottom allows you to send either the dubbing buss signal or the =
output signal to the receiver.


  The best way to understand how this works is to take the inputs and =
outputs one at a time and see how various combinations affect the signal =
flow.


  Not that this is a device designed to work with consumer-level signals =
(-10dBV). There might be a problem with overload if you use stronger =
signals as inputs. However, it might be a passive device, in which case =
you're probably OK.
--=20

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UGH

I am so frustrated with this function on loop 3, my lack of understanding is 
kicking my butt!

I use 2 EDP's 

I set both to do 3 loops...

Whenever I toggle through and do anything, the two units are never synched up 
again once leaving the initial state they are in when both have their first 
loop rolling...

Anywhere I can read how to remedy this?

What I HOPE to achieve is an A/B/C type option of song phrasing... ON BOTH 
UNITS...

I want the units to stay in sync AT ALL TIMES so from the listeners 
perspective there is nothing to notice except good music?

If anyone can enlighten me or point me in the right direction... I would 
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O list,

Here's a web site with some very good photos of the first leg of last
month's tour - it's the Rocco's show in Hollywood, with Michael Manring,
Steve Lawson, Rick Walker (with purple hair in full evidence!) and myself:

http://photo.phui.com/html/BassShow_thumb1.shtml

Hope ya dig,

--Andre LaFosse
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First of all, check the Echoplex FAQ at Looper's Delight. There is a whole 
section on how to connect two echoplexes together as a pair. There is 
another whole section on multiple loops. Make sure you have them connected 
together properly as described in the FAQ. To me this sounds like your problem.

here is the top level FAQ link:
http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ.html

here is the stereo echoplex FAQ link:
http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ4.html

here is the multiple loops FAQ link:
http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ9.html

Beyond that, if you are still having trouble you need to supply more 
information for us to help you. How the are units connected together, the 
parameter settings, how you are controlling them, the specific sequence of 
actions you are trying to do, etc.

kim

At 05:04 PM 2/9/2003, you wrote:
>I use 2 EDP's
>
>I set both to do 3 loops...
>
>Whenever I toggle through and do anything, the two units are never synched 
>up again once leaving the initial state they are in when both have their 
>first loop rolling...
>
>Anywhere I can read how to remedy this?
>
>What I HOPE to achieve is an A/B/C type option of song phrasing... ON BOTH 
>UNITS...
>
>I want the units to stay in sync AT ALL TIMES so from the listeners 
>perspective there is nothing to notice except good music?
>
>If anyone can enlighten me or point me in the right direction... I would 
>sincerely appreciate it.

______________________________________________________________________
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I am completely new to the loop arena, and I want to buy a loop device.  I 
was thinking about a Akai headrush, but I want something that I can hook up 
to a computer program for recording as well as play live.  Does anyone have 
suggestions for the purchase of my first loop device?
S. Roberts





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As two people have suggested already, there is a hardware problem with your 
unit. You need to have Shane Radtke at Gibson fix it. Information for 
contacting him is on the Looper's Delight echoplex page, near the bottom:
http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html

At 03:56 PM 2/9/2003, DialaThos@aol.com wrote:
>I tried removing and reseating the RAM (in fact swapping slots).  With just
>two chips in the "0" slots it reads 50 seconds (still half what it should be
>with 2 4MB chips, right?).

I don't know which slots you mean by '0' slots, but you may have put the 
memory in the wrong ones. Or you have MoreLoops set to 2 without realizing it.

>This is sounding more like a software problem
>than a hardware problem to me right now.

Everybody else's unit is working fine and not having this problem. That 
would tend to indicate it is a hardware problem with your unit. If it were 
a software problem everybody would experience this, and they don't.

>Is Gibson really the best (only?) place to send this.  When I've tried asking
>them about EDPs before they were pretty clueless (best info I got was
>somebody reading the product info to me off their website).

sounds like they need to communicate between divisions better, and you were 
unfortunately calling the wrong one. Follow the numbers on the LD site for 
reaching Shane, and you will be in much better hands.

kim


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those are some really cool shots andre. thanks for the headsup! i saw
manring with hedges a few years ago. is was a joy to see both perform.wish i
could have caught some of the show from your pics. good fun! do you have any
mp3s from these shows???

jimmy george
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> O list,
>
> Here's a web site with some very good photos of the first leg of last
> month's tour - it's the Rocco's show in Hollywood, with Michael Manring,
> Steve Lawson, Rick Walker (with purple hair in full evidence!) and myself:
>
> http://photo.phui.com/html/BassShow_thumb1.shtml
>
> Hope ya dig,
>
> --Andre LaFosse
> http://www.altruistmusic.com
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>

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At 05:49 AM 2/6/2003, Geoff Smith wrote:
>Could anyone tell me what patches, live-loopers are using in MAX/MSP
>the only ones I have been able to find are percolate and fripp
>which both seem quite basic.
>Does one know where any truely cool looping patches are for Max/Msp????
>I am trying to research how loopers are using new technology to redefine the
>compositional language of looping, but I am coming up against a brick wall
>as far as MAX/MSP use is concerned.
>Any help appreciated

Personally I haven't really encountered many people doing real live looping 
with Max/MSP. At best I've seen relatively primitive long delay line type 
stuff, but nothing remotely like the type of interactivity of hardware 
devices like the repeater/jamman/edp etc. Another MSP application I 
remember somebody on the list developing was called Procrastinator, but 
again it was just 4 delay lines in parallel and not much else.

Of course there is Radial, which is really more of a "live-remixing" 
application aimed at looped playback, mixing, and filtering of pre-existing 
samples. More like a phrase sampler that a looper. It's pretty nice for 
that, but quite different from the sort of looping most people here are 
interested in, where they are really creating all the sounds in the loop on 
the fly and interacting with it in real time as they play.

If you come across anything else, please let us know. I suspect part of the 
problem is that crafting the interface and feature set of things like the 
edp or repeater takes years of effort and input from dozens (or even 
hundreds) of users to really refine the ideas. It is not easy at all. I 
imagine that most people working in Max/MSP don't remain so dedicated to 
the projects they start, and lose interest long before they get that far.

kim


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Now, there is a clear distinction between electric and electronic 
instruments. Unfortunately those names are not very clear: An electric 
instrument picks up a physical vibration while the electronic instrument 
generates electronically.


I think we have to make further distinctions of types of electronic 
instruments. Samplers are, IMO, poor examples of expressive electronic 
instruments (they assume too primative a model, assuming interpolation is 
going to work).

Some theremins are quite impressive (Pamalea Kursten is one of my fav 
players).

I think one big problem is that, because of the flexibility on some 
electronic instruments, they have been pushed into an immative role to large 
extent : "My synth can sound like a flute" syndrom.

Immitation always leaves something to be desired...Guitarists often try to 
cop a bowed sound : "I sound like a 'cello" syndrom...it only sounds like a 
'cello to someone who doesn't listen to much 'cello.

I think a lot of richness has been designed out of electronic instruments in 
a misguided attempt to increase stability/reliability..to try to make the 
response linear.
This sort of breaks the regenerative cycle between instrument and player.

Sadly, we see this effect in other areas...sometimes the poor use of 
synthetics or plied tops in instruments (there have been good, but also 
bad), some very brittle active pickups, guitar amplifiers that are too dry, 
tinny sounding early digital effects.

It reminds me of when one first learns to design a simple single-transistor 
amp stage.  At first it is very simple and clear, then the whole network of 
corrections is added.  now you have successfully created a system that 
behaves in a fairly linear manner.

But, that means somebody surfing a signal through it, can't really tell 
where they are, you can't play that response "curve" that you find in a good 
instrument be it musical (such as a good bow), or skis, a motorcycle 
suspension, or a fly rod








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At 6:35 PM -0800 2/9/03, Kim Flint wrote:
>Personally I haven't really encountered many people doing real live 
>looping with Max/MSP.

Pamela Z seems to be doing some interesting things with Max/MSP.
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Hi,
    I'm new to the list.  I use a DL-4 for my live looping.  I'm in the
market for a mixer to use for looping my guitar, vocals, bass, lap
steel, etc.  Currently, I'm looking at purchasing a Behringer Eurorack
UB1832FX-PRO to use for this purpose.  I'll probably use this mixer at
home with my Pro Tools Digi 001 system as well.  Does anybody have any
experience using this mixer?  Does anybody have any other
recommendations for a mixer to use for live looping?

Thanks a lot,
John

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"they have been pushed into an immative role to large extent : "My synth can
sound like a flute" syndrom."

well, until i can afford a marimba, vibes, tubular bells, celeste, thumb
piano, etc. and can find some poor sap to help me lug it all around,
synthesis is going to have to do.  i'm already treading precariously close
to the realm of impracticality with all the crap i already own.  it's enough
to drive me loopy.

ha!

-jim



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  Hey there!, cool beans, glad ya  liked  my lil' review.   <smile>
-thanks to Dre for insisting I write my lil' comparison!   lol!   < <smile>   
  So, yeah!, would love to open for ya!   Lemme' know the specifics and
we'll go from there, K?  
  Yes, Sweet Rockin' does seem like a really cool lil'  place.   -liked it
there, great peeps, (staff AND audience)  and nice Vanilla lattes!
<smile>   
  Re: Cali, yuppers!, am headed out that way!   <smile>  
  Anyway, -Hope yer' all havin' a wonderful Sunday eve, talk with ya on the
flip side, K?   

Smiles,

Cara

At 02:18 PM 2/9/03 -0700, you wrote:
>Wow thanks Cara! What do you say you we head up to Cally and join the tribe?
>Very kind words and i am honored you came in from Boulder to catch the show.
>I look forward to playing with you in the near future. Perhaps you would
>like also to open for my show back at Sweet Rockin Sat March 15th? Co seems
>to be pretty open to the new Looping Movement. Lets keep the pressure on...
>
>Your comparisons filled my heart with gratitude. I am very honored. Thanks
>for the wonderful review!
>
>peace and love
>keep it in the Loop
>Jimmy George
>http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com
>
>
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>From: Goddess <thefates@earthlink.net>
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>Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 3:40 AM
>Subject: Re: Re:Jimmy George Music Tonight in Denver Colorado...
>
>
>>   Awe, that's way sweet of ya!  <smile>
>>   So hey guys, Jimmy played a way rockin' high-energy creative show
>> tonight!  Lot's o' cool loopage, and way happenin'  interactions between
>he
>> and Chris and the audience.   They tore it up!   woohoo!
>>   *laughing*  OK, I'll say what I told Dre on the phone on the way home
>> from this one.   So Jimmy, if ya don't dig it, E-MAIL Andre!, not me!
>> lol!     If ya do, then go ahead and tell me how cool my comparison is!
>> lollollol!  I mentioned that I thought the show reminded me of a
>> combination of Rick Walker, Bill Walker, and Jim morrison!   -cause it had
>> a way firy edge!   -so Dre was like, ya gotta' write that!, so there ya
>> go!...  lol!
>>   -Had a blast tonight, guys,  it was some of the most interesting and
>> creative music I've heard  in CO.  -Thanks alot for the fun and creative
>> show!
>>
>> Smiles,
>>
>> Cara
>>
>>
>>
>> >no sweat chris! thanks for the note. good fun was had by all! i got to me
>> >the wonderful cara from the ld list. she came down from boulder, very
>nice
>> >lady and i look forward to playing some with her in the future.
>> >
>> >best to you chris, i'll be back at sweet rockin march 15th (sat)...
>> >
>> >staying warm...
>> >
>> >peace
>> >jimmy
>> >
>> >http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com
>> >
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: <chrismandel@juno.com>
>> >To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>> >Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 9:13 PM
>> >Subject: Re:Jimmy George Music Tonight in Denver Colorado...
>> >
>> >
>> >> hey sorry I didn't make it. I was honestly planing on going but it
>didn't
>> >work out.  post your next show in the area and I'll redeem
>yself.  -Chris
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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  Mark and Matthias spoke on varying loops...

  I like to set the EDP to insert - replace, and quant - 8th -32 and create
a fairly basic loop, and then glitch out a groove and then take it further
and glitch into a new coherent loop in a few different ways to vary it.  
  -by replacing more and more until it becomes something completely
different, adding overdubs along with replacing, and also switching
rapidly into new material using the replace function to completely replace
into a new loop all at once, rather than creating a new loop via next loop.
 I'm also getting into using insert - sus, and creating loops that way, and
also into recording many new very short studdery loops in quick succession
to move from a longer loop into another groove.  
  I like to keep the movement and structure interesting and fun, so ya can
move to it!   <smile>  -Have a nice night All...  

Smiles,

CQ

At 08:52 PM 2/9/03 -0200, you wrote:
>Marklar said:
>>I think varying a loop is pretty important.  Aside from a less than 
>>100% feedback situation,
>
>yep, I love that :-)
>
>>I'm almost always applying some sort of effect to my loop via the 
>>Repeater's effects loop.  Usually the path includes processors that 
>>allow real time tweakage.  Being able to manipulate the loop while 
>>playing into the loop uneffected is what makes the Repeater my main 
>>looping device.
>
>but you can always put a processor after the EDP to get the same, no?
>I also want my airFX switchable before and after the EDP. Not as 
>elegantely as the Repeater does it, but still, its just a switch!
>-- 
>
>
>          ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org
>
>


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  STuttery, which isn't really a word anyway, but what the heck!   lol!   

smiles,

CQ

At 10:40 PM 2/9/03 -0700, you wrote:
>  Mark and Matthias spoke on varying loops...
>
>  I like to set the EDP to insert - replace, and quant - 8th -32 and create
>a fairly basic loop, and then glitch out a groove and then take it further
>and glitch into a new coherent loop in a few different ways to vary it.  
>  -by replacing more and more until it becomes something completely
>different, adding overdubs along with replacing, and also switching
>rapidly into new material using the replace function to completely replace
>into a new loop all at once, rather than creating a new loop via next loop.
> I'm also getting into using insert - sus, and creating loops that way, and
>also into recording many new very short studdery loops in quick succession
>to move from a longer loop into another groove.  
>  I like to keep the movement and structure interesting and fun, so ya can
>move to it!   <smile>  -Have a nice night All...  
>
>Smiles,
>
>CQ
>
>At 08:52 PM 2/9/03 -0200, you wrote:
>>Marklar said:
>>>I think varying a loop is pretty important.  Aside from a less than 
>>>100% feedback situation,
>>
>>yep, I love that :-)
>>
>>>I'm almost always applying some sort of effect to my loop via the 
>>>Repeater's effects loop.  Usually the path includes processors that 
>>>allow real time tweakage.  Being able to manipulate the loop while 
>>>playing into the loop uneffected is what makes the Repeater my main 
>>>looping device.
>>
>>but you can always put a processor after the EDP to get the same, no?
>>I also want my airFX switchable before and after the EDP. Not as 
>>elegantely as the Repeater does it, but still, its just a switch!
>>-- 
>>
>>
>>          ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org
>>
>>
>
>
>---
>
>  "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother.
>-Then, anything is possible..."  
>
>http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates
>
>Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe.  
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction 
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe 
>
>
>


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At 08:26 PM 2/9/2003, Richard Zvonar wrote:
>At 6:35 PM -0800 2/9/03, Kim Flint wrote:
>>Personally I haven't really encountered many people doing real live 
>>looping with Max/MSP.
>
>Pamela Z seems to be doing some interesting things with Max/MSP.

ok, I'll take the bait. Like what, specifically? What features do her 
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Hi Jimmy,

Jimmy George Band wrote:

> do you have any
> mp3s from these shows???

No recording was made of the Hollywood show, alas.  There are apparently
audience recordings of the Bay Area gigs, including the final one in Ben
Lomond, with Manring and Bill Walker.  Steve and Rick rate the gig
highly, whereas I had doubts about it...  I guess the tapes will tell,
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O Cara,

Goddess wrote:

>> also into recording many new very short studdery loops in quick succession

Lots of new, short "studderies" in quick succession...?  Damn, woman,
when do we get an analysis page for THAT?!

Good gawd y'all,

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At 12:32 PM 2/7/2003, Eric Williamson wrote:
>i'm salivating over this pedal. has anyone got their mitts on one yet?

I got the full demo at NAMM, and talked with the demo guy a bit. They 
didn't have one available to play with. My take on it was, "If you're are 
too poor to afford a Line-6 DL-4, this pedal is for YOU!"

In fact, that's not just my take, that's pretty much how I heard a sales 
rep explaining it to a dealer.

otherwise, I don't see much to get excited about.

The sound on sound (aka looper) function lets you tap a loop. You can 
overdub on it. Can you control the feedback of it? No. Reverse? No. 
Half-Speed? No. Turn the delay time knob and change pitch? No. Change 
time/tempo without pitch? No. Insert-your-question-here? No. It doesn't do 
anything else in that mode. Just record loop and overdub. That's it. 23 
seconds.

As for the delay aspects, there are a few delay models. Analog delay, tape 
delay, etc. Not as many as the DL-4. Impossible to hear how good these 
models were over the din of some guy showing off a distortion pedal on the 
other side of the room with what sounded a lot like Toto songs. However, 
I'll bet the delay models are at least worth $100. Does it do that cool 
analog delay pitch change thing when you change the delay time during the 
delay mode? No. It makes some sort of glitchy farting digital noise. No 
doubt somebody will say they love things like that, but you will never hear 
them make any actual music with it. It won't replace your treasured EH-16. 
There is some sort of gimmicky delay effect that I don't exactly remember 
what it did, called "warp" or "hyperspace" or something. I think it just 
changed the repeat rate exponentially faster. (or maybe it did something 
else, I was bored by then.) It offers three or four presets too.

The best part of the demo was when the demo guy played "The Entertainer" as 
a two-handed tap solo on his guitar. I haven't seen anything like that 
since the late 80's! Retro Michael Angelo cool! Oh, but he didn't use the 
DD-20 at all for that. It's amazing what talent gets wasted in the Roland 
booth. YMMV.

kim



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In answer to Jim's question about a good sound engine for acoustic sounds, I tried Tassman (a soft synth plugin) a while ago which had an acoustic modelling engine and some very nice breathy flute sounds.
I'm probably in the same boat as many people on this list who would like to use more natural sounding instruments  and/or loops but does n't have the space or financial resources. 
So with this constraint I'm left attempting to humanise electronic sounds or take human sounds and warp them with electronic engines, and I do find that if you vary enough parameters such as filter, resonance, velocity and timing you can start to create loops which maintain a groove but different on each repeat. I dont know if you can do this with an EDP, but this is certainly possible with many of the modular software synths today. 
It an obvious thing to say but to me what separates an electronic and real instrument apart (other than an expressive interface) is the natural degree of error with which a real instrument is played. Maybe if manufacturers of hardware/sofware added more degrees of error into these devices they would become more human.
Or perhaps use human playing to control the profile of an electronic sound (kind of like the opposite of taking an acoustic drum loop and looping it electronically).
But surely, at the end of the day, the source does not matter..
The end result always decides if we are move emotionally or not, and the sound of crashing waves or the sound of a jet taking off come from different ends of the spectrum, and move us in different waves and both have some kind of value.
having said all that, give me John Bonham over an 808 any day (oh shit I nearly mentioned Led Zep) - better unsubscribe...
OJ




>  from:    Matthias Grob <matthias@grob.org>
>  date:    Sun, 09 Feb 2003 22:52:31
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>  subject: Re: Real instruments vs. electronic instruments vs. electric instruments
> 
> >speaking of, i'm thinking of getting a malletkat and i was wondering if
> >anybody has suggestions for a good sound engine for acoustic sounds.  it's
> >not so off-topic...the reason i don't get an acoustic
> >marimba/vibraphone/etc. is because it's very easy to loop with an electronic
> >device (as opposed to looping a pair of mics) and loop with this device i
> >will.
> >
> >-jim
> 
> right, the origin of this threat is not OT at all: Electronic 
> instruments somehow dont fit with the what most of us like about live 
> looping. We want to take advantage of the organic playing which has 
> been "opressed" by electronic music. And loop units are basically 
> capable, but we have a feedback and noise problem. So far nothing new.
> 
> Now, there is a clear distinction between electric and electronic 
> instruments. Unfortunately those names are not very clear: An 
> electric instrument picks up a physical vibration while the 
> electronic instrument generates electronically.
> 
> So what we want for looping are electric instruments!
> They do not only preserve your organic operation of it, but in many 
> cases enhance it!
> For example, a PARADIS guitar has a dynamic you could never get from 
> an acustic instrument. My electric clay pot has a dry bass kick note 
> when you close one hole and hit the other hole. With both holes 
> closed, no acoustic sound comes out, but a headphone cell between 
> inside and outside grabs it drasticly!
> We can create very small electric instruments that would never work 
> acoustically.
> I made a bass Kalimba for example, by attaching a weight to the 
> tongues. The ordinary small Kalimba box is never able to transmit 
> such low notes, but a piezo pickup is!
> The same goes for all vibrating materials with little surface: they 
> dont move air, but the pickup gets the vibration authentically, so 
> you can make every silent object audible!
> I am sure, a marimba with a piezo in each tone sounds much fuller, 
> more balanced and more dynamic than it ever could through 
> microphones! And probably cheaper.
> 
> The problem is always where to put the pick up. Sometimes the wire is 
> also a problem, but usually lesser than a mikstand would be.
> In case of the marimba, the point where the key is supported would be 
> obvious. But I see two problems:
> - the key may be too loose and vibrate off the support, which would buzz ugly
> - the hit of the mallet is fully translated to the pickup which might 
> be to much of attack.
> So the pickup would have to be glued into the wood. I am sure it 
> picks up, because I have done such things before. But then, you have 
> a wire to every key and its inevitably sensible also, since its end 
> is at the piezo. So you have to conduct it in a way that it cannot be 
> touched and does not dampen the keys vibration... should be possible, 
> no?
> 
> So please go ahead and build those instruments, unfortunately I dont 
> find time for it...
> it has been my work before the looping story and I still find it just 
> as important for the development of the music culture!
> -- 
> 
> 
>           ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org
> 

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  80 cycles Babe!   lol!   I'll have to post something soon.   <smile>
yer' probably already doing it though!, You, with  yer' finger on the pulse
of the plex and all!   lol!   
  I'll get a loop going, and then play with that for a while, and then go
through a short arpegio or scale or chord series and create quick lil'
stuttery loops on each note as a fill and then settle into another longer
record to establish another groove.  
  -Hope yer' havin' an AWESOME evenin'   Catch ya, well, -ya know, -on the
flip side...   lollollol!   

Smiles,

Cara

At 11:29 PM 2/9/03 -0800, you wrote:
>O Cara,
>
>Goddess wrote:
>
>>> also into recording many new very short studdery loops in quick succession
>
>Lots of new, short "studderies" in quick succession...?  Damn, woman,
>when do we get an analysis page for THAT?!
>
>Good gawd y'all,
>
>--Dre
>
>


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  Ah, almost forgot, I'm using sus record to get the quickie lil' loops.
Which brings me to a question I have.  
  According  to the manual, which I'm periodically poring over, one can't
clear loops with a long press of record in this mode, because, TADA!
obviously it would then  record!, so you then can't achieve a completely
silent loop unless you leave one that way from the start, which I probably
won't be doing yet, so my question is this, is there some other way of
accomplishing this in the sus record mode.   I'll hopefully start working
with the FCB or some such midi controller this week, but is there a way
short of midi at the moment?   -or even with midi for that matter?   I
haven't gotten into that aspect of the plex yet, but will as I mentioned.  
  Anyway, thanks bunches for any ideas anyone has.   Have an awesome
evening! y'all!...   

Smiles,

Cara




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> Frεn: Goddess [mailto:thefates@earthlink.net] 
 
>   Ah, almost forgot, I'm using sus record to get the quickie 
> lil' loops. Which brings me to a question I have.  
>   According  to the manual, which I'm periodically poring 
> over, one can't clear loops with a long press of record in 
//snip//
> with the FCB or some such midi controller this week, but is 
> there a way
> short of midi at the moment?   -or even with midi for that matter? 


I prefere to bring the feedback pedal up all the way and wait patiently
for one loop ;-) There's also a midi command to clear loops that I
normally apply only between songs. The EDP functions are called
"LongUndo" (note number 67), "GeneralReset" (62) and "Reset" (61).

Best wishes

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  -Actually, you could also  do this with several empty loops by recording
through them quickly with quick presses of next loop, so you'd then have
them to go back to if ya wanted them.  *laughing*   Jeez!, this is what I
get for bein' Insomnia Girl!   lol!   

smiles,


C-Monster

At 11:29 PM 2/9/03 -0800, you wrote:
>O Cara,
>
>Goddess wrote:
>
>>> also into recording many new very short studdery loops in quick succession
>
>Lots of new, short "studderies" in quick succession...?  Damn, woman,
>when do we get an analysis page for THAT?!
>
>Good gawd y'all,
>
>--Dre
>
>


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At 12:35 AM 2/10/2003, Goddess wrote:
>   According  to the manual, which I'm periodically poring over, one can't
>clear loops with a long press of record in this mode, because, TADA!
>obviously it would then  record!, so you then can't achieve a completely
>silent loop unless you leave one that way from the start, which I probably
>won't be doing yet, so my question is this, is there some other way of
>accomplishing this in the sus record mode.   I'll hopefully start working
>with the FCB or some such midi controller this week, but is there a way
>short of midi at the moment?   -or even with midi for that matter?   I
>haven't gotten into that aspect of the plex yet, but will as I mentioned.

one night owl to another-

here are ways to reset while RecordMode=SUS

- record a short loop of silence. It isn't really reset but it will shut it up.
- have multiple loops set up, switch to an empty loop, do a long press of 
Multiply. That does a general reset of all loops.
- Use LoopIV and MIDI. there are DirectMIDI commands for reset and general 
reset.
- again with LoopIV, use presets to switch to a preset with RecordMode=SUS 
and then do a long press of record. That one is kind of dumb really, since 
you could just as well use the DirectMIDI reset.

kim





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  Thanks Kim, Yeah, -am reading voraciously through all this, memorizing
menus and functions and such.   <smile>   Thanks to you and Per for the
help.  THIS MANUAL WILL BE ASSIMILATED!   rESISTANCE IS  FUTILE!   lol!   

Smiles,

Cara

At 01:44 AM 2/10/03 -0800, you wrote:
>At 12:35 AM 2/10/2003, Goddess wrote:
>>   According  to the manual, which I'm periodically poring over, one can't
>>clear loops with a long press of record in this mode, because, TADA!
>>obviously it would then  record!, so you then can't achieve a completely
>>silent loop unless you leave one that way from the start, which I probably
>>won't be doing yet, so my question is this, is there some other way of
>>accomplishing this in the sus record mode.   I'll hopefully start working
>>with the FCB or some such midi controller this week, but is there a way
>>short of midi at the moment?   -or even with midi for that matter?   I
>>haven't gotten into that aspect of the plex yet, but will as I mentioned.
>
>one night owl to another-
>
>here are ways to reset while RecordMode=SUS
>
>- record a short loop of silence. It isn't really reset but it will shut
it up.
>- have multiple loops set up, switch to an empty loop, do a long press of 
>Multiply. That does a general reset of all loops.
>- Use LoopIV and MIDI. there are DirectMIDI commands for reset and general 
>reset.
>- again with LoopIV, use presets to switch to a preset with RecordMode=SUS 
>and then do a long press of record. That one is kind of dumb really, since 
>you could just as well use the DirectMIDI reset.
>
>kim
>
>
>
>
>
>______________________________________________________________________
>Kim Flint                     | Looper's Delight
>kflint@loopers-delight.com    | http://www.loopers-delight.com
>
>


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>  > EDP SUSRoundInsert
> > 53 (default note no.)
> > 
> > hi Per,
> > haven't had time to duplicate your findings,
> > but obviously this is a bug.
> > (the digi-noise was quite a common symptom in
> > the loop4-beta days)
> > 
> > what Quant setting were you using?
> > does it happen while the EDP is in "Play"?
> > 
> > andy butler
> 
> 
> Hi Andy,
> 
> I played for hours today with EDP SUSRoundInsert 53 (default 
> note no.) and everything was just fine :-) 


Hi again,

I'm sorry to tell but this problem came up again. Reproducible. I stayed
clear from it when running overdub in "sus" mode, but when I changed to
a program with "overdub" in "tog" mode the whole sky came crashing down
as soon as I tried the DirectMIDI command "SUSRoundInsert". Quant
settings used were 16 8th/cycle. Unfortunately I happened to write over
that program with another one before writing down the rest of the
settings.

I'm now using my usual workaround by "MIDI buttons" (note 41) instead of
taking chances with DirectMIDI commands. I hope DirectMIDI will work
with the next update because in theory they rock. Very well thought out
functions IMHO ;-)

Best wishes

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Thats what I'm trying to find out.
I'm going to email Pamela Z to find out because her web site gives nothing
away. 

JHNOs looper software is quite cool three loops (no overdub I think) with
pitch control of each loop, now if I could work out how to sync this and
assign the various parameters to b controlled over midi it would be very
cool. (there's also a variation of it within pluggo called plug-loop which
syncs to the host application)

Then there's FRIPP

Finding out about looping and Max is proving very tough going because, there
is such a lot of stuff written for max but no easy way to find it. The
loopers archive continually mentions MAX/MSP but heralding it as a force to
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potential it just needs a bit of work.
Geoff 


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> At 08:26 PM 2/9/2003, Richard Zvonar wrote:
>> At 6:35 PM -0800 2/9/03, Kim Flint wrote:
>>> Personally I haven't really encountered many people doing real live
>>> looping with Max/MSP.
>> 
>> Pamela Z seems to be doing some interesting things with Max/MSP.
> 
> ok, I'll take the bait. Like what, specifically? What features do her
> Max/MSP patches have? And/or, how does she use it in creating her music?
> 
> thanks,
> kim
> 
> 
> 
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At 11:11 PM -0800 2/9/03, Kim Flint wrote:

>>Pamela Z seems to be doing some interesting things with Max/MSP.
>
>ok, I'll take the bait. Like what, specifically? What features do 
>her Max/MSP patches have? And/or, how does she use it in creating 
>her music?

I can't give a detailed response since the only time I've seen her 
perform with Max/MSP was in a rather chaotic music theater event 
(rather like a John Cage environmental piece) with several 
simultaneous performances weaving in and out.

What was interesting to me was the integration of gestural 
performance control, using the BodySynth, and a combination of live 
loop capture and prerecorded material.

http://www.pamelaz.com/bodysynth.html
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i know, i know...this is a bit off topic, but being
that we are all attempting to pioneer these looping
devices out of the closet and into mainstream (not
really, but so to speak)...i was just curious of the
average age of the musicians working this gear into
fluid musical performance?

from the pix i've seen of loopers and the great
friends i've made on this list, it seems to be more of
an infatuation of the working class family folk, but i
was just curious if i'm alone in trying to integrate
the looping technology into my music scene.  

i'm 24 and am moved by improvisational music and the
jam scene and although i haven't found quite the right
musicians to hit the road with, i have been able to
successfully use my repeater and arsenal of sounds
with all people i play with (as well as slowly
building up a repetoir of solo music).

just curuios...

peace and bass...
~e va n

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You said, "an infatuation of working class family folk"  

hm... Does that mean married people who work?  Or just blue-collar
dead-beat dads?  



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i know, i know...this is a bit off topic, but being
that we are all attempting to pioneer these looping
devices out of the closet and into mainstream (not
really, but so to speak)...i was just curious of the
average age of the musicians working this gear into
fluid musical performance?

from the pix i've seen of loopers and the great
friends i've made on this list, it seems to be more of
an infatuation of the working class family folk, but i
was just curious if i'm alone in trying to integrate
the looping technology into my music scene.  

i'm 24 and am moved by improvisational music and the
jam scene and although i haven't found quite the right musicians to hit
the road with, i have been able to successfully use my repeater and
arsenal of sounds with all people i play with (as well as slowly
building up a repetoir of solo music).

just curuios...

peace and bass...
~e va n

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I am a 20 year old college student in SW Colorado and I desparately want a 
loop device of some sort but I don't know where to begin.






>From: Evan Meyers <evanmeyers@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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>Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 08:57:33 -0800 (PST)
>
>i know, i know...this is a bit off topic, but being
>that we are all attempting to pioneer these looping
>devices out of the closet and into mainstream (not
>really, but so to speak)...i was just curious of the
>average age of the musicians working this gear into
>fluid musical performance?
>
>from the pix i've seen of loopers and the great
>friends i've made on this list, it seems to be more of
>an infatuation of the working class family folk, but i
>was just curious if i'm alone in trying to integrate
>the looping technology into my music scene.
>
>i'm 24 and am moved by improvisational music and the
>jam scene and although i haven't found quite the right
>musicians to hit the road with, i have been able to
>successfully use my repeater and arsenal of sounds
>with all people i play with (as well as slowly
>building up a repetoir of solo music).
>
>just curuios...
>
>peace and bass...
>~e va n
>
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I'm twenty (times two). I know exactly where to begin,
but have no idea where to end!

-t-

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> and I desparately want a 
> loop device of some sort but I don't know where to
> begin.


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You could download a software looper for free its not perfect, but it
does work pretty well. I have been experimenting with it on and off for
a week or two and have only had minor errors related to my midi setup
and its midi bindings.
There is no install so you have to set it up yourself, but the program
seems worth the effort and is absolutely free (for now)

http://www.evenfall.com/ambiloop/index.html 

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I am a 20 year old college student in SW Colorado and I desparately want
a 
loop device of some sort but I don't know where to begin.






>From: Evan Meyers <evanmeyers@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Subject: average age of the looping community?
>Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 08:57:33 -0800 (PST)
>
>i know, i know...this is a bit off topic, but being
>that we are all attempting to pioneer these looping
>devices out of the closet and into mainstream (not
>really, but so to speak)...i was just curious of the
>average age of the musicians working this gear into
>fluid musical performance?
>
>from the pix i've seen of loopers and the great
>friends i've made on this list, it seems to be more of
>an infatuation of the working class family folk, but i
>was just curious if i'm alone in trying to integrate
>the looping technology into my music scene.
>
>i'm 24 and am moved by improvisational music and the
>jam scene and although i haven't found quite the right musicians to hit

>the road with, i have been able to successfully use my repeater and 
>arsenal of sounds with all people i play with (as well as slowly
>building up a repetoir of solo music).
>
>just curuios...
>
>peace and bass...
>~e va n
>
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* David Beardsley
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I'm almost 29 and use a pair of EDP's version 3.5...

I'm in my second year of looping (sophomore? heh heh)

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If only the made a version for the Mac.
Damn!!
Geoff


on 10/2/03 5:24 pm, Alan Kroeger at alan@akroeger.com wrote:

> You could download a software looper for free its not perfect, but it
> does work pretty well. I have been experimenting with it on and off for
> a week or two and have only had minor errors related to my midi setup
> and its midi bindings.
> There is no install so you have to set it up yourself, but the program
> seems worth the effort and is absolutely free (for now)
> 
> http://www.evenfall.com/ambiloop/index.html
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Roberts [mailto:stevabaga@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 12:12 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: average age of the looping community?
> 
> 
> I am a 20 year old college student in SW Colorado and I desparately want
> a 
> loop device of some sort but I don't know where to begin.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> From: Evan Meyers <evanmeyers@yahoo.com>
>> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Subject: average age of the looping community?
>> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 08:57:33 -0800 (PST)
>> 
>> i know, i know...this is a bit off topic, but being
>> that we are all attempting to pioneer these looping
>> devices out of the closet and into mainstream (not
>> really, but so to speak)...i was just curious of the
>> average age of the musicians working this gear into
>> fluid musical performance?
>> 
>> from the pix i've seen of loopers and the great
>> friends i've made on this list, it seems to be more of
>> an infatuation of the working class family folk, but i
>> was just curious if i'm alone in trying to integrate
>> the looping technology into my music scene.
>> 
>> i'm 24 and am moved by improvisational music and the
>> jam scene and although i haven't found quite the right musicians to hit
> 
>> the road with, i have been able to successfully use my repeater and
>> arsenal of sounds with all people i play with (as well as slowly
>> building up a repetoir of solo music).
>> 
>> just curuios...
>> 
>> peace and bass...
>> ~e va n
>> 
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I found it and thank you so much for pointing me there!

I really appreciate it...

I found my answer in this paragraph:

SwitchQuant=CYC means that the Echoplex will wait until the current cycle 
finishes before switching. This is nice for keeping things sync'd and 
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--- Evan Meyers <evanmeyers@yahoo.com> wrote:
> i was just curious of the
> average age of the musicians working this gear into
> fluid musical performance?
> 
> from the pix i've seen of loopers and the great
> friends i've made on this list, it seems to be more of
> an infatuation of the working class family folk, but i
> was just curious if i'm alone in trying to integrate
> the looping technology into my music scene.  

You must be. I'm in the "working class family folk" category at 42 years old.

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39, been looping since I first joined together the ends of a lump of 1/4" tape on my old ferrograph, 30 years ago. now using two jamthings and two repeaters (and do analogue sequencers count, as it were?), and have accumulated over 20 1/4" decks too. many keys, basses, guitars, processors.

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for tea.

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http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday!
http://extremeNY.com/calendar .................................. the calendar.
http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar.

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not that i don't want to see a million posts w/ just #'s (age),
perhaps the "loopers of the world" could be updated?
i meant to ask about that a while back. i posted my info to
the "loopers of the world" section, but my profile never was in
the 'menu' section. i know there is a part where it says "age".
and if you filled the form out when it was created a few yrs
ago, your age will of course have changed. perhaps "year looper
was born" would be a better question.
a thought for future references/updates.
but i'm always interested in these "demographic questions"
every blue moon myself....
s----


>i know, i know...this is a bit off topic, but being
>that we are all attempting to pioneer these looping
>devices out of the closet and into mainstream (not
>really, but so to speak)...i was just curious of the
>average age of the musicians working this gear into
>fluid musical performance?
>
>from the pix i've seen of loopers and the great
>friends i've made on this list, it seems to be more of
>an infatuation of the working class family folk, but i
>was just curious if i'm alone in trying to integrate
>the looping technology into my music scene. 
>
>i'm 24 and am moved by improvisational music and the
>jam scene and although i haven't found quite the right
>musicians to hit the road with, i have been able to
>successfully use my repeater and arsenal of sounds
>with all people i play with (as well as slowly
>building up a repetoir of solo music).
>
>just curuios...
>
>peace and bass...
>~e va n
>
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    I just turned 25 two days ago.  Bought myself an EDP for my birthday.  I
am a bass player and have been designing a rig for performing live drum 'n'
bass-metal-jazz-fusion for the last three years.  The EDP will allow me to
get my hands off the bass to do tweaks to other instruments in a live
performance environment.

    For a sequencer the only thing I've found that comes close to doing what
I am attempting is a small homebrewed deal called "MIDI Maestro"
(www.midimaestro.com) which is actually intended to be used by musical
theater directors.  It has all kinds of non-linear functions like being able
to loop a certain section of the sequence until you give it the signal to
move on (via MIDI), in realtime.  And realtime tempo change, via a virtual
slider.  However, it seems a little unstable, and as I get closer to my goal
of performing this stuff live, I will be writing to the author to see if he
can implement some features to help me out, since I went ahead and
registered his software.  But if anyone else knows of a non-linear sequencer
intended for live performance, please let me know.

    If you want an example of my interpretation of drum 'n'
bass-metal-jazz-fusion, maybe download this remix I did of my friends'
band's (Fifth Letter, www.fifthletter.com) tune, End Over End:
http://www.neoprimitive.net/jlucas/audio/lto/lto-endoverendremix.mp3  It's
just a rough mix.  I'm not done with it yet.  I just dumped it to two-track
to get some opinions from people.  If you are a drum programmer and
interested, the MIDI file for the drum track is here:
http://www.neoprimitive.net/jlucas/audio/lto/endoverenddrums.mid  It follows
the GM standard pretty closely, so it should playback on any GM compatible
drum set patch.  All programmed by hand in Sonar 2.1 piano roll.

Sincerely,

Jesse



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> i know, i know...this is a bit off topic, but being
> that we are all attempting to pioneer these looping
> devices out of the closet and into mainstream (not
> really, but so to speak)...i was just curious of the
> average age of the musicians working this gear into
> fluid musical performance?
>
> from the pix i've seen of loopers and the great
> friends i've made on this list, it seems to be more of
> an infatuation of the working class family folk, but i
> was just curious if i'm alone in trying to integrate
> the looping technology into my music scene.
>
> i'm 24 and am moved by improvisational music and the
> jam scene and although i haven't found quite the right
> musicians to hit the road with, i have been able to
> successfully use my repeater and arsenal of sounds
> with all people i play with (as well as slowly
> building up a repetoir of solo music).
>
> just curuios...
>
> peace and bass...
> ~e va n
>
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Right, what the Repeater does with it's effects loop is totally 
possible with some sort of routing device... maybe an additional 
mixer/router combination.  For me, being able to step on a MIDI pedal 
and change my effect from at the input, to on the loop (not effecting 
the input at all) with out any extra hardware is crucial... well, maybe 
not crucial, but fun.

This makes me think of the paradyne issues between the Repeater and the 
EDP.  Very interesting, IMO.  To me, it seems like the Repeater looks 
at audio like Silly Putty.  The EDP looks at audio like Legos.  Oh, if 
only you could get a Stereo EDP for $600...

Mark Sottilaro

On Sunday, February 9, 2003, at 02:52 PM, Matthias Grob wrote:

> Marklar said:
>> I think varying a loop is pretty important.  Aside from a less than 
>> 100% feedback situation,
>
> yep, I love that :-)
>
>> I'm almost always applying some sort of effect to my loop via the 
>> Repeater's effects loop.  Usually the path includes processors that 
>> allow real time tweakage.  Being able to manipulate the loop while 
>> playing into the loop uneffected is what makes the Repeater my main 
>> looping device.
>
> but you can always put a processor after the EDP to get the same, no?
> I also want my airFX switchable before and after the EDP. Not as 
> elegantely as the Repeater does it, but still, its just a switch!
> -- 
>
>
>          ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org
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I'm 40. I would have killed to have the setup I currently have when I 
was 20, but I was poor then. Now, I'm still poor, but I have a lot of 
gear :-)

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Well,

I'm a 49 year old father of 3 and husband of one woman 
for 24 years so I guess that means I'm a guilty-as-charged,
working class "family guy" in most respects. But I began 
looping a rather long time ago -- long before kids anyway 
(my oldest is 17). And, my imagination had been captured 
by the possibilities of the old tape "echoplex" and loops 
made on "altered" reel tape decks long before I'd even 
met my wife in 1976.

I'd say that us older musicians with a steady jobs and stable
situations are more able to procure, learn and hang on to
some of this expensive, complicated gear -- and develop 
a pretty good vision of what we wanna do with it. We may 
not be as free to tour or take gigs (the down side of the
"ties that bind") but we're no less passionate or creative
about our activities -- IMHO. 

But, this is a pretty diverse list. No "ageism" is really possible.
Andre LaFosse is a youngish (and, as far as I know) single guy
who's utter mastery of the EDP knocks my socks off every
time I hear him. There are awesome women loopers of all ages.
And, although there seems to be a preponderance of guitar
slingers here there are drummers, DJs, wind, key and kitchen
utensil players too -- plus a handful that simply play the processing
sans instrument (or processing as an instrument in itself).

There are goddesses, doctors, teachers, students, artists, 
writers, waiters, democrats, republicans, anarchists, religionists, 
atheists, agnostics, whatever . . . folk of every walk and stripe 
of life here. And, I suspect, a pretty wide spread of ages too. 
Folks with dark hair, grey hair, purple hair or no hair abound.
This is a pretty complicated and colorful community.

tEd � kiLLiAn

ArsOcarina@aol.com
http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian
http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake

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Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com schrieb am 10.02.03 19:09:16:
> 
> Well,
> 
> I'm a 49 year old father of 3 and husband of one woman 
> for 24 years so I guess that means I'm a guilty-as-charged,
> working class "family guy" in most respects. But I began 
> looping a rather long time ago -- long before kids anyway 
> (my oldest is 17). And, my imagination had been captured 
> by the possibilities of the old tape "echoplex" and loops 
> made on "altered" reel tape decks long before I'd even 
> met my wife in 1976.
> 
> I'd say that us older musicians with a steady jobs and stable
> situations are more able to procure, learn and hang on to
> some of this expensive, complicated gear -- and develop 
> a pretty good vision of what we wanna do with it. We may 
> not be as free to tour or take gigs (the down side of the
> "ties that bind") but we're no less passionate or creative
> about our activities -- IMHO. 
> 
> But, this is a pretty diverse list. No "ageism" is really possible.
> Andre LaFosse is a youngish (and, as far as I know) single guy
> who's utter mastery of the EDP knocks my socks off every
> time I hear him. There are awesome women loopers of all ages.
> And, although there seems to be a preponderance of guitar
> slingers here there are drummers, DJs, wind, key and kitchen
> utensil players too -- plus a handful that simply play the processing
> sans instrument (or processing as an instrument in itself).
> 
> There are goddesses, doctors, teachers, students, artists, 
> writers, waiters, democrats, republicans, anarchists, religionists, 
> atheists, agnostics, whatever . . . folk of every walk and stripe 
> of life here. And, I suspect, a pretty wide spread of ages too. 
> Folks with dark hair, grey hair, purple hair or no hair abound.
> This is a pretty complicated and colorful community.
> 
> tEd � kiLLiAn
> 
> ArsOcarina@aol.com
> http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian
> http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
> http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake
> 

when i see your mail adress, i've one question: do you play ocarina (i do!)?
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Subject: Definitive live-looping works since 1985??? What do u think???
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Okay 
Just interested to see what people think are the definitive looping works of
recent times. This I feel is Interesting because after Fripp/Eno no one
seems to talk about specific looping works as stand-out works.

Please discuss
Works which have impressed you because you feel they just incredibly
beautiful...  etc. and a pinicle of looping achievement.

or works which have turned you head around and made you re-think the
limitations of looping.

Its early days for me to comment, but I've personally been incredibly
impressed with Andre Lafosse's work, a truely original voice!!, huge respect
to you, (and that comes from someone who is not primarily a guitarist!)
What does everyone think???


Geoff  

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> Hi again,
>  
>  I'm sorry to tell but this problem came up again. Reproducible. I stayed
>  clear from it when running overdub in "sus" mode, but when I changed to
>  a program with "overdub" in "tog" mode the whole sky came crashing down
>  as soon as I tried the DirectMIDI command "SUSRoundInsert". Quant
>  settings used were 16 8th/cycle. Unfortunately I happened to write over
>  that program with another one before writing down the rest of the
>  settings.

hi Per

Quant=8th is where the trouble lies.
I think a lot of the SUS functions suffer from a problem with
quantise: when the button is released in the 000 (waiting ) 
phase the EDP gets confused and operates like a TOG function.

This was a bug that got fixed for the non-DirectMIDI
SUS functions but seemed to escape otherwise.

8th Quant also produced a lot of bugs when introduced,
and I'm afraid I chose to eat and sleep rather than 
Beta Test all those DirectMIDI combinations.
(didn't have a decent MIDI pedal anyway)

By "sky falling down" you mean something more than 
just going into a toggled  Insert unexpectedly. So
I expect that the EDP is running through various bits
of its memory here.

At one time there was a plan to make the DirectMIDIs
available at any time, even if not approprate.
(for instance the DirectMIDI Reverse during a Multiply
was particularly fascinating)
This idea was squashed so that the directMIDIs could 
safely go in the manual without frightening people 
(or something like that;-)

I look upon the DirectMIDIs as a bonus feature,
and will certainly checking out your bug 
for future musical use.

andy butler

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almost 50, but dr. t has me beat!
i even remember when dr. t made great
software for the c64 - my first computer.
started working with loops (tape style)
back in the 60's, still in high school.
built my first paia synth then too. now
i use a dl4, max/msp, and reaktor for
most of my audio mangling needs.
i do live experimental improv performances
with both audio and video elements.
bruce

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Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com schrieb am 10.02.03 19:04:15:
> 
> Right, what the Repeater does with it's effects loop is totally 
> possible with some sort of routing device... maybe an additional 
> mixer/router combination.  For me, being able to step on a MIDI pedal 
> and change my effect from at the input, to on the loop (not effecting 
> the input at all) with out any extra hardware is crucial... well, maybe 
> not crucial, but fun.
> 
> This makes me think of the paradyne issues between the Repeater and the 
> EDP.  Very interesting, IMO.  To me, it seems like the Repeater looks 
> at audio like Silly Putty.  The EDP looks at audio like Legos.  Oh, if 
> only you could get a Stereo EDP for $600...
> 
> Mark Sottilaro
> 
> On Sunday, February 9, 2003, at 02:52 PM, Matthias Grob wrote:
> 
> > Marklar said:
> >> I think varying a loop is pretty important.  Aside from a less than 
> >> 100% feedback situation,
> >
> > yep, I love that :-)
> >
> >> I'm almost always applying some sort of effect to my loop via the 
> >> Repeater's effects loop.  Usually the path includes processors that 
> >> allow real time tweakage.  Being able to manipulate the loop while 
> >> playing into the loop uneffected is what makes the Repeater my main 
> >> looping device.
> >
> > but you can always put a processor after the EDP to get the same, no?
> > I also want my airFX switchable before and after the EDP. Not as 
> > elegantely as the Repeater does it, but still, its just a switch!
> > -- 
> >
> >
> >          ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org
> >
> 

i use the effect loop of the repeater in a different way: i only plug it to the mixer with the main outs. when i route a track to the (not plugged) effect sends, it's muted. with the normal mute function i can't see, which track is muted and which not, what can be a problem, when i start a new song in a live situation. now i can see it with the fx-insert leds, and in case of doubt i have a no-insert-knob on the midi foot pedal, so everything is right when i start a new piece.
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Actually, I suspect that if a stereo EDP with footpedal sold for just under
$1000 it could do quite well. Thinking about some of the hardware issues, I
wonder how well this would do in the market if it also cut the loop time in
half? (The 68000 can only address 16 megabytes of RAM.) The answer there
would probably be more sophisticated memory management so that only the
current loop would support undo. On the other hand, I've been thinking that
the answer if doing new hardware is probably to go up the range of 680x0
processors so that the existing code could be largely preserved but with the
benefits of larger memory and faster processing. The trick as was made
abundantly clear here about 15 months ago is to minimize the expenses that
have to be amortized across the product run. Even my "minimal" proposal,
however, isn't necessarily cheap.

Mark

on 2/10/03 10:04 AM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:

> Oh, if 
> only you could get a Stereo EDP for $600...

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on 2/10/03 11:00 AM, Mark Hamburg at mark_hamburg@baymoon.com wrote:

> Actually, I suspect that if a stereo EDP with footpedal sold for just under
> $1000 it could do quite well.

Assuming, of course, appropriate distribution and promotion.

Mark

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I wish I could understand this.

Mark Sottilaro

On Monday, February 10, 2003, at 10:50 AM, Andreas Paulo wrote:

> i use the effect loop of the repeater in a different way: i only plug  
> it to the mixer with the main outs. when i route a track to the (not  
> plugged) effect sends, it's muted. with the normal mute function i  
> can't see, which track is muted and which not, what can be a problem,  
> when i start a new song in a live situation. now i can see it with the  
> fx-insert leds, and in case of doubt i have a no-insert-knob on the  
> midi foot pedal, so everything is right when i start a new piece.
> andi paulo
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Me too!

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I'm 40. I would have killed to have the setup I currently have when I 
was 20, but I was poor then. Now, I'm still poor, but I have a lot of 
gear :-)

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"I don't know where to begin."

begin with something affordable, like the akai headrush.  if you like what
looping affords, dive in headfirst.  that's what i did and i'm positively
addicted.

-jim


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He uses the Repeater FX sends as a mute circuit with LED status display
(i.e. the FX lights above each track).  So when he routes tracks to the FX
send, in his implementation, the signal goes nowhere (nothing's patched into
the FX send outputs), and he's effectively muting those tracks.  One caveat
with this approach is that when the FX send is engaged on no tracks, it's
muting the input.  Which could be handy in some circumstances.

Mike

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net]
> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 2:07 PM
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>
>
> I wish I could understand this.
>
> Mark Sottilaro
>
> On Monday, February 10, 2003, at 10:50 AM, Andreas Paulo wrote:
>
> > i use the effect loop of the repeater in a different way: i
> only plug
> > it to the mixer with the main outs. when i route a track to
> the (not
> > plugged) effect sends, it's muted. with the normal mute function i
> > can't see, which track is muted and which not, what can be
> a problem,
> > when i start a new song in a live situation. now i can see
> it with the
> > fx-insert leds, and in case of doubt i have a
> no-insert-knob on the
> > midi foot pedal, so everything is right when i start a new piece.
> > andi paulo
> >
> ______________________________________________________________
> _________
> > _______
> > SMS verschicken und die Telefonnummer gleich im Adressbuch
> speichern.
> > Geht nicht? -  Geht doch! -
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>

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Also check the Tools of the Trade section of the Loopers-Delight site: 
http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/tools.html

> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 8:14 AM
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> 
> 
> "I don't know where to begin."
> 
> begin with something affordable, like the akai headrush.  if 
> you like what
> looping affords, dive in headfirst.  that's what i did and 
> i'm positively
> addicted.
> 
> -jim
> 
> 
> 

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--- Ian Popperwell <popperwell@iname.com> wrote:
> At 02:55 09/02/03 , you wrote:
> >Another idea you might consider is programming both rows of the pedal to do 
> >exactly the same thing. That way, if you miss and hit the switch in the 
> 
> Can the FCB1010 work with both rows doing the same function? 

Yes. You can program any of the switchs to send any midi command, so it's no
problem programming two (or more) of them to send the same things.

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> I look upon the DirectMIDIs as a bonus feature,
> and will certainly checking out your bug 
> for future musical use.
> 
> andy butler


Oh, really? It's just plain bursts of hellish noise! Forgot to tell you
that. I'd like to hear that "musical use" of yours ;-) And thanks for
the exellent answer. I can now proceed my EDP programming in a slightly
less frustrated mode.

pboy

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I thought I saw something for the Mac, but I am not sure it was free.
Take a look here, the search engine is not operating (it used to) so it
will take a bit of browsing to find it. If you locate it please post it
for other Mac users or complain to the author maybe you can convince him
it is a worthwhile endeavor ;-).

The Link
http://www.databaseaudio.co.uk/index.php

Al (47)

-----Original Message-----
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If only the made a version for the Mac.
Damn!!
Geoff


on 10/2/03 5:24 pm, Alan Kroeger at alan@akroeger.com wrote:

> You could download a software looper for free its not perfect, but it 
> does work pretty well. I have been experimenting with it on and off 
> for a week or two and have only had minor errors related to my midi 
> setup and its midi bindings. There is no install so you have to set it

> up yourself, but the program seems worth the effort and is absolutely 
> free (for now)
> 
> http://www.evenfall.com/ambiloop/index.html
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Roberts [mailto:stevabaga@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 12:12 PM
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> 
> 
> I am a 20 year old college student in SW Colorado and I desparately 
> want a loop device of some sort but I don't know where to begin.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> From: Evan Meyers <evanmeyers@yahoo.com>
>> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Subject: average age of the looping community?
>> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 08:57:33 -0800 (PST)
>> 
>> i know, i know...this is a bit off topic, but being
>> that we are all attempting to pioneer these looping
>> devices out of the closet and into mainstream (not
>> really, but so to speak)...i was just curious of the
>> average age of the musicians working this gear into
>> fluid musical performance?
>> 
>> from the pix i've seen of loopers and the great
>> friends i've made on this list, it seems to be more of
>> an infatuation of the working class family folk, but i
>> was just curious if i'm alone in trying to integrate
>> the looping technology into my music scene.
>> 
>> i'm 24 and am moved by improvisational music and the
>> jam scene and although i haven't found quite the right musicians to 
>> hit
> 
>> the road with, i have been able to successfully use my repeater and 
>> arsenal of sounds with all people i play with (as well as slowly 
>> building up a repetoir of solo music).
>> 
>> just curuios...
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>> peace and bass...
>> ~e va n
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Yeah I wished that I had had the money for several things that most
loopers use back then. I had looked at MIDI Guitar way back when and
passed because of the price, now I have one if I could just get a MIDI
Violin Pickup that worked, oh well maybe in a few more years. ;-)


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I'm 40. I would have killed to have the setup I currently have when I 
was 20, but I was poor then. Now, I'm still poor, but I have a lot of 
gear :-)

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I am 51 and divide my musical time between live looping (EDP mostly and
Repeater (which I may sell to get another EDP) and multi-track solo and
band productions with the amazing tools: Logic (and assorted
softsynths), Live, Metasynth. Been using midi since its birth with
Texture (early DOS sequencer that had some great looping features),
CZ101 and DX7...

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On Monday, February 10, 2003, at 08:50 PM, Alan Kroeger wrote:

> if I could just get a MIDI
> Violin Pickup that worked, oh well maybe in a few more years. ;-)

You'll have a long wait I think :(
The problem with the violin is that it produces one of the largest 
range of sounds/harmonics, and midi pickups (read Zeta) as you have 
probably found out just do not work. Latency, ghost notes, no dynamics 
etc. etc. I tried one once, and was not impressed.

Jon Rose has a custom midi pickup that he has made for his Hyperstring 
project (http://www.jonroseweb.com/f_projects_hyperstring.html) whereby 
he uses a midi pickup on the violin to detect the tone, a motion 
detector on the bow and a pedal to control the volume. I've never seen 
him play, but I think that his ideas are certainly a step in the right 
direction.

-- 
Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com

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Denis was scheduled to perform in Charleston, WV on Friday but did not show.  I spoke to the Union president who booked him and he said Denis did not call to cancel either?  I really wanted to catch his show before ours which was only a block away.  We had a great show despite the 5 inches of snow that fell while we played from 10 to 2am.  If Denis went through the same weather he probably went back home.  We thought we would be quiting early until a huge crowd came in and filled the place and none of them were leaving as long as the snow kept com
ing down.  What fun!


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43 today, somedays I like hex better - 2b or not 2b!  Is it really a question?

weg



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I have been working on a Max/MSP implementation of my looping ideas 
for about seven years now. "Redefining the compositional language of 
looping" is a fair description of the motivation which keeps me 
dissatisfied with other tools.

With all due humility, respect for and appreciation of diversity, I 
think that some of the stuff I have implemented with MSP goes quite a 
bit farther than most software, and all hardware, loopers. And yes, I 
am referring to the subset of  "looping" that involves continuous 
live input and recording, presumably from an instrument or voice.

My main concern is that too many people will join me in wishing I had 
more time to make this a sharable tool, rather than the private labor 
of love it remains.

The issues of interface and feature set are not, at least for me, the 
hard part of using Max/MSP. Quite the opposite, the lack of 
constraint which the dedicated hardware development process imposes 
can encourage excessive dedication and refinement, sometimes at the 
expense of stability. That's a fancy way of saying it's hard to know 
when to stop building and start playing. Personally, I do my best to 
consider a given computer and OS and Max version as a fixed 
environment and use the hardware for that one thing only, but that's 
hard.

Anyway, the looping tools I am working on include the following cool features:

-variable speed playback of a loop, while recording into it. No 
glitches when the "playback head" passes the "record head". Even 
negative speeds (reverse playback) work. Interpolated resampling so 
arbitrary pitch shifts sound decent, not just half or double. This 
stuff can end up sounding like a longer version of the H3000 Reverse 
Shift algorithm, one of my favorite effects ever.

-"live editing" features that support interactively defined and 
triggered loop segment playback, with amplitude envelopes and pitch 
control. Glitch-free, sample-accurate and of course all while 
continuing to record. I'm slowly developing a novel interface for 
visualizing segments, and in the meantime have
a fun GUI game-demo where a "listener" triggers segments based on its 
"field of view" relative to the "loop planets" in its universe. Each 
loop has a parameter for its gravitational pull on the listener, and 
the listener has inertia. The closer the listener gets to a loop, the 
less it can see, so the segment gets shorter. But louder, since it's 
closer. So you end up with a sort of automatic "composition" of 
short, prominent snippets on top of a "background radiation" of 
longer quiet segments. And you can let the listener orbit and keep 
playing your instrument.

-multiple synchronized loops, with multiple channels each. No 
guarantees (yet) of how many at once but I am a big fan of quad 
looping, and have run two long quad loops on an old G3 laptop. 
Ethernet can sync up multiple laptops.

-all the usual feedback options, or at least the ones I wish were 
more usual, such as EQ and inserts on the feedback paths for VST 
plugins, and on the multichannel loops, matrix mixing so for example 
a quad loop can slowly spin around as it decays. Cross-feedback 
between loops for instant mush.

-integration with hard-disk recording systems, so you can record all 
the ingredients as well as the soup, and have something like the 
History functions in Photoshop. (Got a ways to go with this).

-Perhaps most importantly for a software looper, latency 
compensation. Even though current interfaces can support buffer sizes 
down to just a handful of samples, and the computers are fast enough 
to still do a lot of vector processing on the small vectors, my sucky 
rhythm needs all the help it can get,
so I devised a way to play along in perfect sync with a loop.

Latency is one of the usual complaints about general purpose 
computers in performance. I remember a paper at the 1985 AES Digital 
Audio Conference, that convincingly showed how 1 millisecond of slop 
is easily audible under certain circumstances (circumstances which do 
apply to looping). On the other hand, ADC and DAC chips in dedicated 
hardware take time, and DSP is DSP, pretty much, so I wonder how much 
latency there is in the hardware loopers. And then there's the speed 
of sound, let's not even go there...:-)

There was another paper at that show that refreshingly admitted to 
promoting vaporware. That's perhaps what I am doing here, but the 
concepts and fundamentals of my work are pretty well established. I 
demonstrated most of them at UC Berkeley CNMAT's MSP Night School 
about three years ago, and can't resist countering Kim's suggestion 
that people using Max probably don't remain dedicated. My experience 
is quite the contrary; I've bought and sold tons of hardware in the 
pursuit of "truly cool" looping systems and Max has outlasted most of 
them. I suspect the main reason behind the perception that more 
people dabble in software than hardware is that it's easier to copy 
software.

Geoff, I am not sure what kind of research you are doing, but let me 
know if it sounds like my personal work is of interest. One of these 
years I will start playing out again, I hope, and as soon as my 
4-year old Producer allows it, I will try again to make a stable, 
sharable version of some of this stuff.

thanks for the bandwidth,

Alex S.


At 6:35 PM -0800 2/9/03, Kim Flint wrote:
>At 05:49 AM 2/6/2003, Geoff Smith wrote:
>>Could anyone tell me what patches, live-loopers are using in MAX/MSP
>>the only ones I have been able to find are percolate and fripp
>>which both seem quite basic.
>>Does one know where any truely cool looping patches are for Max/Msp????
>>I am trying to research how loopers are using new technology to redefine the
>>compositional language of looping, but I am coming up against a brick wall
>>as far as MAX/MSP use is concerned.
>>Any help appreciated
>
>Personally I haven't really encountered many people doing real live 
>looping with Max/MSP. At best I've seen relatively primitive long 
>delay line type stuff, but nothing remotely like the type of 
>interactivity of hardware devices like the repeater/jamman/edp etc. 
>Another MSP application I remember somebody on the list developing 
>was called Procrastinator, but again it was just 4 delay lines in 
>parallel and not much else.
>
>Of course there is Radial, which is really more of a "live-remixing" 
>application aimed at looped playback, mixing, and filtering of 
>pre-existing samples. More like a phrase sampler that a looper. It's 
>pretty nice for that, but quite different from the sort of looping 
>most people here are interested in, where they are really creating 
>all the sounds in the loop on the fly and interacting with it in 
>real time as they play.
>
>If you come across anything else, please let us know. I suspect part 
>of the problem is that crafting the interface and feature set of 
>things like the edp or repeater takes years of effort and input from 
>dozens (or even hundreds) of users to really refine the ideas. It is 
>not easy at all. I imagine that most people working in Max/MSP don't 
>remain so dedicated to the projects they start, and lose interest 
>long before they get that far.
>
>kim
>
>
>______________________________________________________________________
>Kim Flint                     | Looper's Delight
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Ha! Indeed- 0x2b = 43, you so clever!

:)

C

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43 today, somedays I like hex better - 2b or not 2b!  Is it really a
question?

weg





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Well, I've been waiting for you to speak up, Alex!

I remember a few years back when you first described your work with Max/MSP.
Sounded cool then!  And sounds like you're a *whole* lot further down the
road, now!  Your "orbital" interface sounds fascinating and refreshingly
new.

Dennis Leas
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dennis@mail.worldserver.com


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> I have been working on a Max/MSP implementation of my looping ideas
> for about seven years now. "Redefining the compositional language of
> looping" is a fair description of the motivation which keeps me
> dissatisfied with other tools.
> . . .


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30 for me

> -----Original Message-----
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> 
> Ha! Indeed- 0x2b = 43, you so clever!
> 
> :)
> 
> C
> 
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> 43 today, somedays I like hex better - 2b or not 2b!  Is it really a
> question?
> 
> weg
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Andi,

Yes, but only in the privacy of my own home, heheheheh.
I'm one of those pesky, noisy guitar players the rest 
of the time . . . or I pretend to be one on stage anyway.

Best,

tEd � kiLLiAn

ArsOcarina@aol.com
http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian
http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake

In a message dated 2/10/03 10:20:17 AM, apaulo@web.de writes:

>when i see your mail adress, i've one question: do you play ocarina (i
>do!)?
>
>andi paulo

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Yes Stuart I am afraid you are right, I am actually toying with making
my own piezo pickup and running into the 
GK-2a monophonic just to try and find a way to improve the situation. If
it worked (midi violin) there would be just an incredible amount of
sonic possibilities including looping that would become available to the
Violin player, but alas it just doesn't work yet even in the overpriced
Zeta product.

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On Monday, February 10, 2003, at 08:50 PM, Alan Kroeger wrote:

> if I could just get a MIDI
> Violin Pickup that worked, oh well maybe in a few more years. ;-)

You'll have a long wait I think :(
The problem with the violin is that it produces one of the largest 
range of sounds/harmonics, and midi pickups (read Zeta) as you have 
probably found out just do not work. Latency, ghost notes, no dynamics 
etc. etc. I tried one once, and was not impressed.

Jon Rose has a custom midi pickup that he has made for his Hyperstring 
project (http://www.jonroseweb.com/f_projects_hyperstring.html) whereby 
he uses a midi pickup on the violin to detect the tone, a motion 
detector on the bow and a pedal to control the volume. I've never seen 
him play, but I think that his ideas are certainly a step in the right 
direction.

-- 
Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com

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> i know, i know...this is a bit off topic, but being
> that we are all attempting to pioneer these looping
> devices out of the closet and into mainstream (not
> really, but so to speak)...i was just curious of the
> average age of the musicians working this gear into
> fluid musical performance?
>
> from the pix i've seen of loopers and the great
> friends i've made on this list, it seems to be more of
> an infatuation of the working class family folk, but i
> was just curious if i'm alone in trying to integrate
> the looping technology into my music scene.
>
> i'm 24 and am moved by improvisational music and the
> jam scene and although i haven't found quite the right
> musicians to hit the road with, i have been able to
> successfully use my repeater and arsenal of sounds
> with all people i play with (as well as slowly
> building up a repetoir of solo music).
>
> just curuios...
>
> peace and bass...
> ~e va n
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andi is using the fx send on the repeater as a mute


> I wish I could understand this.
>
> Mark Sottilaro
>
> On Monday, February 10, 2003, at 10:50 AM, Andreas Paulo wrote:
>
> > i use the effect loop of the repeater in a different way: i only plug
> > it to the mixer with the main outs. when i route a track to the (not
> > plugged) effect sends, it's muted. with the normal mute function i
> > can't see, which track is muted and which not, what can be a problem,
> > when i start a new song in a live situation. now i can see it with the
> > fx-insert leds, and in case of doubt i have a no-insert-knob on the
> > midi foot pedal, so everything is right when i start a new piece.
> > andi paulo


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At 49, I was afraid I was the eldest and then I'd have begin talking like
Gabby Hayes.  You know, "Why, yew young whippersnappers!  Ah was rootin',
tootin', an loopin' afore yew was knee-high to a Stratocaster, by
crackey!...(Dadgum, varmits!)  We use-ta use steem enjines to loop with
afore 'lectricity!.  Hand-cranked loopers!....(Gimme more o' them beans,
Roy!)"

Dennis Leas
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jhno's radiaL is pretty cool.  No live input right now, and therefore 
no overdub, but you do get a fairly high number of tracks in the loop 
(depends on your processor speed), I think live input is scheduled for 
release 2.
You can, however, sync it to MIDI sync, or to a click (if you've enough 
channels in your audio interface to use an input for this purpose), and 
you can adjust an offset in sync to account for latency.
It also supports midi controllers.

incidentally, I require live input and have been working on a max/msp 
based looper with a motu 828 and a berringher FBC1010 (or whatever it 
is exactly- the midi foot controller) with features in mind that I've 
seen used and like in the EDP and Repeater.  with a fast enough 
computer latency hasn't seemed to be an issue, and it's cool to have 
all my processing on-board.  It is definitely hard to figure out how to 
make things work when you can do whatever you want (practically- all 
you have to do is build it, haha).  I've been working a little, playing 
a little, working a little, etc..., things seem to be coming along 
slowly, but nicely.

nate

On Friday, February 7, 2003, at 01:48 AM, Geoff Smith wrote:

> JHNOs looper software is quite cool three loops (no overdub I think) 
> with
> pitch control of each loop, now if I could work out how to sync this 
> and
> assign the various parameters to b controlled over midi it would be 
> very
> cool. (there's also a variation of it within pluggo called plug-loop 
> which
> syncs to the host application)

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After reading everyone else's posts, I feel such a baby at the young 
and ripe age of 30 :)
-- 
Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com

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Hi,

I use the very small Behringer 802A which is basic but I find very reliable
and
predictable. You sound like you might need more chanels though, But the audio
and build quality are great for live purposes.

Ian.


At 04:28 10/02/03 , you wrote:
>Hi,
>    I'm new to the list.  I use a DL-4 for my live looping.  I'm in the
>market for a mixer to use for looping my guitar, vocals, bass, lap
>steel, etc.  Currently, I'm looking at purchasing a Behringer Eurorack
>UB1832FX-PRO to use for this purpose.  I'll probably use this mixer at
>home with my Pro Tools Digi 001 system as well.  Does anybody have any
>experience using this mixer?  Does anybody have any other
>recommendations for a mixer to use for live looping?
>
>Thanks a lot,
>John
> 


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you are exactly what I have been looking for!!!
I have searched the web all week.....
Alex if its okay with u maybe I could email you some questions etc.

I think its obvious that people will invent incredible software loopers,
simply by the precedent of whats happened with audio sequencers.

The possibilities for adding vst effects, soft-sequencers, generative
algorithms etc, is just too great to refuse.
I recently saw a lecture by nullpointer.co.uk where he showed examples of
generative music with seemingly random elements, organized by repetition.

 The repetition i.e. looping was the fixed element that made the material
make sense, it was a very powerfull lesson in the power of the loop, and it
also made me realise just how far system based composition software has
come!!!


Geoff         




on 10/2/03 8:21 pm, Alex Stahl at alex@pixar.com wrote:

> I have been working on a Max/MSP implementation of my looping ideas
> for about seven years now. "Redefining the compositional language of
> looping" is a fair description of the motivation which keeps me
> dissatisfied with other tools.
> 
> With all due humility, respect for and appreciation of diversity, I
> think that some of the stuff I have implemented with MSP goes quite a
> bit farther than most software, and all hardware, loopers. And yes, I
> am referring to the subset of  "looping" that involves continuous
> live input and recording, presumably from an instrument or voice.
> 
> My main concern is that too many people will join me in wishing I had
> more time to make this a sharable tool, rather than the private labor
> of love it remains.
> 
> The issues of interface and feature set are not, at least for me, the
> hard part of using Max/MSP. Quite the opposite, the lack of
> constraint which the dedicated hardware development process imposes
> can encourage excessive dedication and refinement, sometimes at the
> expense of stability. That's a fancy way of saying it's hard to know
> when to stop building and start playing. Personally, I do my best to
> consider a given computer and OS and Max version as a fixed
> environment and use the hardware for that one thing only, but that's
> hard.
> 
> Anyway, the looping tools I am working on include the following cool features:
> 
> -variable speed playback of a loop, while recording into it. No
> glitches when the "playback head" passes the "record head". Even
> negative speeds (reverse playback) work. Interpolated resampling so
> arbitrary pitch shifts sound decent, not just half or double. This
> stuff can end up sounding like a longer version of the H3000 Reverse
> Shift algorithm, one of my favorite effects ever.
> 
> -"live editing" features that support interactively defined and
> triggered loop segment playback, with amplitude envelopes and pitch
> control. Glitch-free, sample-accurate and of course all while
> continuing to record. I'm slowly developing a novel interface for
> visualizing segments, and in the meantime have
> a fun GUI game-demo where a "listener" triggers segments based on its
> "field of view" relative to the "loop planets" in its universe. Each
> loop has a parameter for its gravitational pull on the listener, and
> the listener has inertia. The closer the listener gets to a loop, the
> less it can see, so the segment gets shorter. But louder, since it's
> closer. So you end up with a sort of automatic "composition" of
> short, prominent snippets on top of a "background radiation" of
> longer quiet segments. And you can let the listener orbit and keep
> playing your instrument.
> 
> -multiple synchronized loops, with multiple channels each. No
> guarantees (yet) of how many at once but I am a big fan of quad
> looping, and have run two long quad loops on an old G3 laptop.
> Ethernet can sync up multiple laptops.
> 
> -all the usual feedback options, or at least the ones I wish were
> more usual, such as EQ and inserts on the feedback paths for VST
> plugins, and on the multichannel loops, matrix mixing so for example
> a quad loop can slowly spin around as it decays. Cross-feedback
> between loops for instant mush.
> 
> -integration with hard-disk recording systems, so you can record all
> the ingredients as well as the soup, and have something like the
> History functions in Photoshop. (Got a ways to go with this).
> 
> -Perhaps most importantly for a software looper, latency
> compensation. Even though current interfaces can support buffer sizes
> down to just a handful of samples, and the computers are fast enough
> to still do a lot of vector processing on the small vectors, my sucky
> rhythm needs all the help it can get,
> so I devised a way to play along in perfect sync with a loop.
> 
> Latency is one of the usual complaints about general purpose
> computers in performance. I remember a paper at the 1985 AES Digital
> Audio Conference, that convincingly showed how 1 millisecond of slop
> is easily audible under certain circumstances (circumstances which do
> apply to looping). On the other hand, ADC and DAC chips in dedicated
> hardware take time, and DSP is DSP, pretty much, so I wonder how much
> latency there is in the hardware loopers. And then there's the speed
> of sound, let's not even go there...:-)
> 
> There was another paper at that show that refreshingly admitted to
> promoting vaporware. That's perhaps what I am doing here, but the
> concepts and fundamentals of my work are pretty well established. I
> demonstrated most of them at UC Berkeley CNMAT's MSP Night School
> about three years ago, and can't resist countering Kim's suggestion
> that people using Max probably don't remain dedicated. My experience
> is quite the contrary; I've bought and sold tons of hardware in the
> pursuit of "truly cool" looping systems and Max has outlasted most of
> them. I suspect the main reason behind the perception that more
> people dabble in software than hardware is that it's easier to copy
> software.
> 
> Geoff, I am not sure what kind of research you are doing, but let me
> know if it sounds like my personal work is of interest. One of these
> years I will start playing out again, I hope, and as soon as my
> 4-year old Producer allows it, I will try again to make a stable,
> sharable version of some of this stuff.
> 
> thanks for the bandwidth,
> 
> Alex S.
> 
> 
> At 6:35 PM -0800 2/9/03, Kim Flint wrote:
>> At 05:49 AM 2/6/2003, Geoff Smith wrote:
>>> Could anyone tell me what patches, live-loopers are using in MAX/MSP
>>> the only ones I have been able to find are percolate and fripp
>>> which both seem quite basic.
>>> Does one know where any truely cool looping patches are for Max/Msp????
>>> I am trying to research how loopers are using new technology to redefine the
>>> compositional language of looping, but I am coming up against a brick wall
>>> as far as MAX/MSP use is concerned.
>>> Any help appreciated
>> 
>> Personally I haven't really encountered many people doing real live
>> looping with Max/MSP. At best I've seen relatively primitive long
>> delay line type stuff, but nothing remotely like the type of
>> interactivity of hardware devices like the repeater/jamman/edp etc.
>> Another MSP application I remember somebody on the list developing
>> was called Procrastinator, but again it was just 4 delay lines in
>> parallel and not much else.
>> 
>> Of course there is Radial, which is really more of a "live-remixing"
>> application aimed at looped playback, mixing, and filtering of
>> pre-existing samples. More like a phrase sampler that a looper. It's
>> pretty nice for that, but quite different from the sort of looping
>> most people here are interested in, where they are really creating
>> all the sounds in the loop on the fly and interacting with it in
>> real time as they play.
>> 
>> If you come across anything else, please let us know. I suspect part
>> of the problem is that crafting the interface and feature set of
>> things like the edp or repeater takes years of effort and input from
>> dozens (or even hundreds) of users to really refine the ideas. It is
>> not easy at all. I imagine that most people working in Max/MSP don't
>> remain so dedicated to the projects they start, and lose interest
>> long before they get that far.
>> 
>> kim
>> 
>> 
>> ______________________________________________________________________
>> Kim Flint                     | Looper's Delight
>> kflint@loopers-delight.com    | http://www.loopers-delight.com
> 

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Radial seems to have been waiting to be released for ages,,
I checked the archives it seems very late.

is there a demo of this anywhere???
have check cycling74 it all seems very cage'y

Geoff 

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I have been using the even smaller Behringer 602A.  It works fine, w/
low noise.  However, at low levels in the L/R pan is not quite
symmetrical.  The L seems stronger.  No pre/post fade options either.
For the price ($70-$80) I recommend it, tho.

Patrick

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Hi,

I use the very small Behringer 802A which is basic but I find very
reliable and predictable. You sound like you might need more chanels
though, But the audio and build quality are great for live purposes.

Ian.


At 04:28 10/02/03 , you wrote:
>Hi,
>    I'm new to the list.  I use a DL-4 for my live looping.  I'm in the

>market for a mixer to use for looping my guitar, vocals, bass, lap 
>steel, etc.  Currently, I'm looking at purchasing a Behringer Eurorack 
>UB1832FX-PRO to use for this purpose.  I'll probably use this mixer at 
>home with my Pro Tools Digi 001 system as well.  Does anybody have any 
>experience using this mixer?  Does anybody have any other 
>recommendations for a mixer to use for live looping?
>
>Thanks a lot,
>John
> 

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thanks andre. i look forward to hearing the goods...

peace
jg
http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com

ps i put you on my links page, i really dig your site and stuff. pls give my
site a peek when you can and let me know if i can find a spot on your link
page?

thanks!
j

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> Hi Jimmy,
>
> Jimmy George Band wrote:
>
> > do you have any
> > mp3s from these shows???
>
> No recording was made of the Hollywood show, alas.  There are apparently
> audience recordings of the Bay Area gigs, including the final one in Ben
> Lomond, with Manring and Bill Walker.  Steve and Rick rate the gig
> highly, whereas I had doubts about it...  I guess the tapes will tell,
> once we've sorted through it all, and the list will certainly be spammed
> if those end up being uploaded.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --Andre LaFosse
> http://www.altruistmusic.com
>
>

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49 =  7 X 7   for me

did my first looping performance in 1980 with TAO ELECTRICAL
which was a spinoff group of popular new wave band I was in, TAO CHEMICAL.
Didn't do another one until the release of the lexicon JAMMAN (redubbed the
JAMPERSON
for our politically correct and non-sexist People's Republic of Santa Cruz
audiences.**

At the end of our set at an electronic music concert (with Dr. Richard
Zvonar and Bob Beede on the bill, by the way)  each of the members of this
trio (bass, guitar and drums = me) recorded a loop onto three original tube
echoplexes with erase disengaged (manually, i believe but I didn't actually
do that so I can't say for sure) and, one by one,
we walked of into the audience and let the performance continue by itself.
I thought we were doing something that had never been done before (because I
wasn't influenced by anyone to think up the idea) but have since, due to
that same
academic genius, Dr. Zvonar come to find that it was all old hat by that
time.

Noone in that audience had ever heard it (which is true of most of the
audiences that I
play for still, to this day.....LOL.

A couple of years later, a guy just reminded me a couple of months ago, he
saw me
at the old UNION GROVE (pre-earthquake) playing one of the original digital
delays and I had it on an infinite repeat and was singing faux pygmy
yodelling
into it with a really primitive harmonizer.

I had completely forgotten this as I was poor as a church mouse (living off
of
really 'out of the box' music at the time) and couldn't possibly afford the
gear
I was drooling over until this guy reminded me.

He said,  "You've been looping for 20 years, man".

It startled me because the instant the Lexicon Jamman came out, I bought one
and ended
up playing them for 8 years (ultimately three of them synchronized with
midi) until
I purchased the DL-4.

I did my recent live CD with two of those until I bought my Repeater and
added it to the
madness.

Then, just recently I got my first EDP with loop 4:   whole new ballgame
again.

I have the Repeater feeding the EDP (through AUX 1) and the EDP feeding the
Repeater
(through AUX 2) and have retired my DL4s (that I love dearly) for everything
except
my

PORTABLE BUSKING LOOPING RIG  which consists of a battery powered head set
mic, battery powered mini amplifier, battery bowered DL4, battery powered
Boss Intellishifter
all feeding into a dweeby, little girls plastic portable CD amplifier made
of,
you guessed it,  TRANSLUCENT DAYGLO LIME GREEN PLASTIC!!!

This is all velcroed onto a high school marching drum apparatus made of
aluminum.
I think there are photos of me by Ted Killian on my website if my
webmistress (wow, it gets me hot calling my wife that......LOL) has put them
up yet.

LOOP ON!

rick walker (aka.loop.pool)
www.looppool.info


*I still have the little graphics kit to change the front panel graphics of
the JAMMAN
to say JAMPERSON if anyone else thinks this is appropos, as I do.  E-mail me
off list
and I'll get one out to you if I can find it........lol

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Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com schrieb am 10.02.03 21:41:21:
> 
> Andi,
> 
> Yes, but only in the privacy of my own home, heheheheh.
> I'm one of those pesky, noisy guitar players the rest 
> of the time . . . or I pretend to be one on stage anyway.
> 
> Best,
> 
> tEd � kiLLiAn
> 
> ArsOcarina@aol.com
> http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian
> http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
> http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake
> 
> In a message dated 2/10/03 10:20:17 AM, apaulo@web.de writes:
> 
> >when i see your mail adress, i've one question: do you play ocarina (i
> >do!)?
> >
> >andi paulo
> 

and i'm one of those noisy dulcimer players (they called me jimi hendrix on the dulcimer...)
______________________________________________________________________________
Erster Klick - SMS versenden, zweiter Klick - die Telefonnummer im 
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"Dennis Leas" <dennis@mail.worldserver.com> put in his teeth and wrote:
> At 49, I was afraid I was the eldest and then I'd have begin talking like
> Gabby Hayes.  You know, "Why, yew young whippersnappers!  Ah was rootin',
> tootin', an loopin' afore yew was knee-high to a Stratocaster, by
> crackey!...(Dadgum, varmits!)  We use-ta use steem enjines to loop with
> afore 'lectricity!.  Hand-cranked loopers!....(Gimme more o' them beans,
> Roy!)"

I've been having a real hoot since the turn o' the millenium occasionally
slipping into that mode and saying "...back in the last century, when I
was..."

By cracky!

S.P. Goodman
EarthLight Productions
*
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is that in loop years rick???

i just turned 36 dec 13th

life is good...

http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com




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> 49 =  7 X 7   for me
>
> did my first looping performance in 1980 with TAO ELECTRICAL
> which was a spinoff group of popular new wave band I was in, TAO CHEMICAL.
> Didn't do another one until the release of the lexicon JAMMAN (redubbed
the
> JAMPERSON
> for our politically correct and non-sexist People's Republic of Santa Cruz
> audiences.**
>
> At the end of our set at an electronic music concert (with Dr. Richard
> Zvonar and Bob Beede on the bill, by the way)  each of the members of this
> trio (bass, guitar and drums = me) recorded a loop onto three original
tube
> echoplexes with erase disengaged (manually, i believe but I didn't
actually
> do that so I can't say for sure) and, one by one,
> we walked of into the audience and let the performance continue by itself.
> I thought we were doing something that had never been done before (because
I
> wasn't influenced by anyone to think up the idea) but have since, due to
> that same
> academic genius, Dr. Zvonar come to find that it was all old hat by that
> time.
>
> Noone in that audience had ever heard it (which is true of most of the
> audiences that I
> play for still, to this day.....LOL.
>
> A couple of years later, a guy just reminded me a couple of months ago, he
> saw me
> at the old UNION GROVE (pre-earthquake) playing one of the original
digital
> delays and I had it on an infinite repeat and was singing faux pygmy
> yodelling
> into it with a really primitive harmonizer.
>
> I had completely forgotten this as I was poor as a church mouse (living
off
> of
> really 'out of the box' music at the time) and couldn't possibly afford
the
> gear
> I was drooling over until this guy reminded me.
>
> He said,  "You've been looping for 20 years, man".
>
> It startled me because the instant the Lexicon Jamman came out, I bought
one
> and ended
> up playing them for 8 years (ultimately three of them synchronized with
> midi) until
> I purchased the DL-4.
>
> I did my recent live CD with two of those until I bought my Repeater and
> added it to the
> madness.
>
> Then, just recently I got my first EDP with loop 4:   whole new ballgame
> again.
>
> I have the Repeater feeding the EDP (through AUX 1) and the EDP feeding
the
> Repeater
> (through AUX 2) and have retired my DL4s (that I love dearly) for
everything
> except
> my
>
> PORTABLE BUSKING LOOPING RIG  which consists of a battery powered head set
> mic, battery powered mini amplifier, battery bowered DL4, battery powered
> Boss Intellishifter
> all feeding into a dweeby, little girls plastic portable CD amplifier made
> of,
> you guessed it,  TRANSLUCENT DAYGLO LIME GREEN PLASTIC!!!
>
> This is all velcroed onto a high school marching drum apparatus made of
> aluminum.
> I think there are photos of me by Ted Killian on my website if my
> webmistress (wow, it gets me hot calling my wife that......LOL) has put
them
> up yet.
>
> LOOP ON!
>
> rick walker (aka.loop.pool)
> www.looppool.info
>
>
> *I still have the little graphics kit to change the front panel graphics
of
> the JAMMAN
> to say JAMPERSON if anyone else thinks this is appropos, as I do.  E-mail
me
> off list
> and I'll get one out to you if I can find it........lol
>
>

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i like the little mackie vlz series. they allow you to split the signal to
both my boomerang and the house say with my voice track. the 1202 has 4
inputs to do this with. also built solid.

jimmy george
http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com


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> Hi,
>
> I use the very small Behringer 802A which is basic but I find very
reliable
> and
> predictable. You sound like you might need more chanels though, But the
audio
> and build quality are great for live purposes.
>
> Ian.
>
>
> At 04:28 10/02/03 , you wrote:
> >Hi,
> > I'm new to the list. I use a DL-4 for my live looping. I'm in the
> >market for a mixer to use for looping my guitar, vocals, bass, lap
> >steel, etc. Currently, I'm looking at purchasing a Behringer Eurorack
> >UB1832FX-PRO to use for this purpose. I'll probably use this mixer at
> >home with my Pro Tools Digi 001 system as well. Does anybody have any
> >experience using this mixer? Does anybody have any other
> >recommendations for a mixer to use for live looping?
> >
> >Thanks a lot,
> >John
> >
>
>
>

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At 12:21 PM -0800 2/10/03, Alex Stahl wrote:
>I have been working on a Max/MSP implementation of my looping ideas 
>for about seven years now. "Redefining the compositional language of 
>looping" is a fair description of the motivation which keeps me 
>dissatisfied with other tools.

I'd like to see/hear what you're doing. Perhaps next time I'm in the area?

>The issues of interface and feature set are not, at least for me, 
>the hard part of using Max/MSP. Quite the opposite, the lack of 
>constraint which the dedicated hardware development process imposes 
>can encourage excessive dedication and refinement, sometimes at the 
>expense of stability. That's a fancy way of saying it's hard to know 
>when to stop building and start playing.

This has been my experience. I haven't delved into the MSP part, but 
a few years ago I was using Max to control looping and other 
processing equipment. I found that there were many alternative user 
interfaces and I frequently built Max patches that were specific to a 
given piece. I was careful to modularize my code so that it was easy 
to combine functional elements and various ways. The good thing about 
working in software is that the user interface could include just 
those controls and displays that were needed for a given piece. Some 
patches were quite specific in this way, while others were more 
generalized performance control panels.
-- 

______________________________________________________________
Richard Zvonar, PhD
(818) 788-2202
http://www.zvonar.com
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Dennis Leas wrote:

"At 49, I was afraid I was the eldest and then I'd have begin talking like
Gabby Hayes.  You know, "Why, yew young whippersnappers!  Ah was rootin',
tootin', an loopin' afore yew was knee-high to a Stratocaster, by
crackey!...(Dadgum, varmits!)  We use-ta use steem enjines to loop with
afore 'lectricity!.  Hand-cranked loopers!....(Gimme more o' them beans,
Roy!)"


LOL,   when we started looping the sampling rate was 8 bit and we liked it.
we loved it...........hey hey hey.


rick



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HOLY SHIT Alex!  Thats all i've got to say.




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Gerry Basserman so kindly demonstrated
RADIAL for me at NAMM a few weeks ago.

It was awesome!!!!!   A student of mine works
for Cycling 74 and says that the release is imminent.

I was really on the edge of buying either a PC or a MAC laptop
for my Europe/British Isles tour this coming summer and seeing
this demonstration actually swayed me to the MAC side
(and I have been a fanatic PC supporter despite all of my 
quite judgemental MAC friends.......LOL).

It's design is elegant and it's graphic interface is really cool.
A lot of MAC programs have tended (to my very naive eyes so don't flame
me MACies) to look like programmers without
a lot of visual aesthetic designed them...........this is NOT the case
with RADIAL.   Being a very visually oriented sound artist that has
great appeal to me, let alone the cool amount of real time warpage
of pre-existing loops you can do with it.

I don't know if you can actually loop in real time with this
machine.............anyone know?

I'm getting it for sure!!!

yours,  
Rick Walker
Loop.pooL
WWW.LOOPPOOL.INFO



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At 3:44 PM -0800 2/10/03, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote:

>due to that same academic genius, Dr. Zvonar come to find that it 
>was all old hat by that time.

I'm such as wise-ass party pooper.

Beede and I used to do performances with dual-deck tape delay systems 
back in those days. I think the first of those was in 1976, when I 
was 30.

I'll be 57 this month. This is 2*19, which was the age at which I:

1) first smoked pot
2) tried to grow my first beard
3) got rid of my virginity
4) stopped cutting my hair
5) bought my first electric guitar
6) started my first band
7) spent my first Thanksgiving and Christmas away from my parents


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> LOL,   when we started looping the sampling rate was 8 bit and we liked
it.
> we loved it...........hey hey hey.

When I started looping on an open reel deck,
we expressed it in terms of inches per second,
but I can't for the life of me remember what I used....
....damm '70's.....it did sound cool though.....the old
Tandberg is off in the back room....I'll
plug it in sometime....

* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
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I just turned 52.  I forgot where I put my EDP.


M..



At 05:37 PM 2/10/03 -0800, you wrote: 

>>>>

<excerpt>At 3:44 PM -0800 2/10/03, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote:


<excerpt>due to that same academic genius, Dr. Zvonar come to find that
it was all old hat by that time.

</excerpt>

I'm such as wise-ass party pooper.


Beede and I used to do performances with dual-deck tape delay systems
back in those days. I think the first of those was in 1976, when I was
30.


I'll be 57 this month. This is 2*19, which was the age at which I:


<excerpt>1) first smoked pot

2) tried to grow my first beard

3) got rid of my virginity

4) stopped cutting my hair

5) bought my first electric guitar

6) started my first band

7) spent my first Thanksgiving and Christmas away from my parents

</excerpt>


-- 


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Richard Zvonar, PhD     

(818) 788-2202                                  

http://www.zvonar.com

http://RZCybernetics.com


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At 10:24 PM +0100 2/10/03, Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) wrote:
>After reading everyone else's posts, I feel such a baby at the young 
>and ripe age of 30 :)

And I remember when weren't supposed to trust anyone over that age.
-- 

______________________________________________________________
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Ian Popperwell wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I use the very small Behringer 802A which is basic but I find very reliable
> and
> predictable. You sound like you might need more chanels though, But the audio
> and build quality are great for live purposes.
>
> Ian.
>
> At 04:28 10/02/03 , you wrote:
> >Hi,
> >    I'm new to the list.  I use a DL-4 for my live looping.  I'm in the
> >market for a mixer to use for looping my guitar, vocals, bass, lap
> >steel, etc.  Currently, I'm looking at purchasing a Behringer Eurorack
> >UB1832FX-PRO to use for this purpose.  I'll probably use this mixer at
> >home with my Pro Tools Digi 001 system as well.  Does anybody have any
> >experience using this mixer?  Does anybody have any other
> >recommendations for a mixer to use for live looping?
> >
> >Thanks a lot,
> >John
> >

Hi Ian,
    Thanks for the reply.  Do you run your looper into one of the aux sends of
the 802A?  It seems like the 802A might work out for what I want to do.

Thanks for the reply,
John



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Age may take its toll, but that TOLL could also be an acronym for a
potential show:

Trusty Old Loopers' Loopfest

Only those over 30 need apply...can we trust ourselves??

-----Original Message-----
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At 10:24 PM +0100 2/10/03, Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) wrote:
>After reading everyone else's posts, I feel such a baby at the young 
>and ripe age of 30 :)

And I remember when weren't supposed to trust anyone over that age.
-- 

______________________________________________________________
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count me in!

jg
http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com


----- Original Message ----- 
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> Age may take its toll, but that TOLL could also be an acronym for a
> potential show:
> 
> Trusty Old Loopers' Loopfest
> 
> Only those over 30 need apply...can we trust ourselves??
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] 
> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 5:57 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: average age of the looping community?
> 
> At 10:24 PM +0100 2/10/03, Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) wrote:
> >After reading everyone else's posts, I feel such a baby at the young 
> >and ripe age of 30 :)
> 
> And I remember when weren't supposed to trust anyone over that age.
> -- 
> 
> ______________________________________________________________
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> (818) 788-2202
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> http://RZCybernetics.com
> 
> 
> 

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      OK! You have my interest. I have a Compaq  1.2 gighz box with 80 gig
hd.
   To start off  with a slow trot in Mac,I bought a used G3. One thing I
notice is the MAC hooks you. I haven`t figured why yet. Also,I am dabbling
with an old program  Hypercard 2.4.1.
  Why? Damned if I know.
                                               Gene:)


----- Original Message -----
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> Gerry Basserman so kindly demonstrated
> RADIAL for me at NAMM a few weeks ago.
>
> It was awesome!!!!!   A student of mine works
> for Cycling 74 and says that the release is imminent.
>
> I was really on the edge of buying either a PC or a MAC laptop
> for my Europe/British Isles tour this coming summer and seeing
> this demonstration actually swayed me to the MAC side
> (and I have been a fanatic PC supporter despite all of my
> quite judgemental MAC friends.......LOL).
>
> It's design is elegant and it's graphic interface is really cool.
> A lot of MAC programs have tended (to my very naive eyes so don't flame
> me MACies) to look like programmers without
> a lot of visual aesthetic designed them...........this is NOT the case
> with RADIAL.   Being a very visually oriented sound artist that has
> great appeal to me, let alone the cool amount of real time warpage
> of pre-existing loops you can do with it.
>
> I don't know if you can actually loop in real time with this
> machine.............anyone know?
>
> I'm getting it for sure!!!
>
> yours,
> Rick Walker
> Loop.pooL
> WWW.LOOPPOOL.INFO
>
>
>

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a 60 and a 71 year old looper.....yikes!  when are you guys going to grow 
up?.....:).....michael (54) (upper-lower class) 
p.s. just a little sci-fi question.....what if we did have this level of 
"loop technology" back in the 60s-70s.....i had a hard time just playin my 
accustic guitar, the neck wouldn't stop movin like a snake.....if we had this 
stuff back then, i would either be a really great looper or just a puddle in 
a box.....what age group, do you think, takes all of these wonders for 
granted?

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I've seen it referred to in the archives mostly as a
jest; someone capped a discussion on the elusive EH 16
Second Delay by saying it was the Holy Grail of the
"religion" or something of that nature.

Yet, in way, that's really what it is.  Our rigs are
the shrines to Looping.  We follow The Way of the
Looper.  Yeah?  

Now that my new-to-me rig is finished (for now), I've
had a few evenings of thoughtless bliss just looping
away.  Hours have passed by in what seems like
minutes.  I feel in some ways tired afterwards, or
maybe it's put better to say I feel I've expended
energy, but it's a refreshing feeling all the same.  I
know I've left consciousness as regularly experienced
behind and journeyed outward, or maybe inward, and
faced some abstraction; a subjective experience
language can only begin to describe.  

Now, I don't want to force a label on myself with the
rest of you, rather I'm just observing personal
phenomena.  "Spiritual" means many things to many
people and can carrying with it some rigid
connotations.  Yet, it strikes me as appropriate: I am
driven towards creating this experience for myself,
making a larger, more complex and able "shrine" to
"whorship" at.  

I don't know. I'd just thought I'd share the
observation.
  

  

__________________________________________________
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I'm 28...


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Wow my birthday is december 13th as well, i turned 29

----- Original Message -----
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> is that in loop years rick???
>
> i just turned 36 dec 13th
>
> life is good...
>
> http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL <GLOBAL@cruzio.com>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 4:44 PM
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>
>
> > 49 =  7 X 7   for me
> >
> > did my first looping performance in 1980 with TAO ELECTRICAL
> > which was a spinoff group of popular new wave band I was in, TAO
CHEMICAL.
> > Didn't do another one until the release of the lexicon JAMMAN (redubbed
> the
> > JAMPERSON
> > for our politically correct and non-sexist People's Republic of Santa
Cruz
> > audiences.**
> >
> > At the end of our set at an electronic music concert (with Dr. Richard
> > Zvonar and Bob Beede on the bill, by the way)  each of the members of
this
> > trio (bass, guitar and drums = me) recorded a loop onto three original
> tube
> > echoplexes with erase disengaged (manually, i believe but I didn't
> actually
> > do that so I can't say for sure) and, one by one,
> > we walked of into the audience and let the performance continue by
itself.
> > I thought we were doing something that had never been done before
(because
> I
> > wasn't influenced by anyone to think up the idea) but have since, due to
> > that same
> > academic genius, Dr. Zvonar come to find that it was all old hat by that
> > time.
> >
> > Noone in that audience had ever heard it (which is true of most of the
> > audiences that I
> > play for still, to this day.....LOL.
> >
> > A couple of years later, a guy just reminded me a couple of months ago,
he
> > saw me
> > at the old UNION GROVE (pre-earthquake) playing one of the original
> digital
> > delays and I had it on an infinite repeat and was singing faux pygmy
> > yodelling
> > into it with a really primitive harmonizer.
> >
> > I had completely forgotten this as I was poor as a church mouse (living
> off
> > of
> > really 'out of the box' music at the time) and couldn't possibly afford
> the
> > gear
> > I was drooling over until this guy reminded me.
> >
> > He said,  "You've been looping for 20 years, man".
> >
> > It startled me because the instant the Lexicon Jamman came out, I bought
> one
> > and ended
> > up playing them for 8 years (ultimately three of them synchronized with
> > midi) until
> > I purchased the DL-4.
> >
> > I did my recent live CD with two of those until I bought my Repeater and
> > added it to the
> > madness.
> >
> > Then, just recently I got my first EDP with loop 4:   whole new ballgame
> > again.
> >
> > I have the Repeater feeding the EDP (through AUX 1) and the EDP feeding
> the
> > Repeater
> > (through AUX 2) and have retired my DL4s (that I love dearly) for
> everything
> > except
> > my
> >
> > PORTABLE BUSKING LOOPING RIG  which consists of a battery powered head
set
> > mic, battery powered mini amplifier, battery bowered DL4, battery
powered
> > Boss Intellishifter
> > all feeding into a dweeby, little girls plastic portable CD amplifier
made
> > of,
> > you guessed it,  TRANSLUCENT DAYGLO LIME GREEN PLASTIC!!!
> >
> > This is all velcroed onto a high school marching drum apparatus made of
> > aluminum.
> > I think there are photos of me by Ted Killian on my website if my
> > webmistress (wow, it gets me hot calling my wife that......LOL) has put
> them
> > up yet.
> >
> > LOOP ON!
> >
> > rick walker (aka.loop.pool)
> > www.looppool.info
> >
> >
> > *I still have the little graphics kit to change the front panel graphics
> of
> > the JAMMAN
> > to say JAMPERSON if anyone else thinks this is appropos, as I do.
E-mail
> me
> > off list
> > and I'll get one out to you if I can find it........lol
> >
> >
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I will turned 50 next september,Fabio
Haribol!
http://www.ifarm.it/pianigiani/
http://www.natanavedica.it/
Martedμ, 11 Feb 2003, alle 08:17 Europe/Rome, David Swain ha scritto:

> Wow my birthday is december 13th as well, i turned 29
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jimmy George Band" <jg@jimmygeorgeband.com>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 1:11 AM
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>
>
>> is that in loop years rick???
>>
>> i just turned 36 dec 13th
>>
>> life is good...
>>
>> http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL <GLOBAL@cruzio.com>
>> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 4:44 PM
>> Subject: average age of the looping community
>>
>>
>>> 49 =  7 X 7   for me
>>>
>>> did my first looping performance in 1980 with TAO ELECTRICAL
>>> which was a spinoff group of popular new wave band I was in, TAO
> CHEMICAL.
>>> Didn't do another one until the release of the lexicon JAMMAN 
>>> (redubbed
>> the
>>> JAMPERSON
>>> for our politically correct and non-sexist People's Republic of Santa
> Cruz
>>> audiences.**
>>>
>>> At the end of our set at an electronic music concert (with Dr. 
>>> Richard
>>> Zvonar and Bob Beede on the bill, by the way)  each of the members of
> this
>>> trio (bass, guitar and drums = me) recorded a loop onto three 
>>> original
>> tube
>>> echoplexes with erase disengaged (manually, i believe but I didn't
>> actually
>>> do that so I can't say for sure) and, one by one,
>>> we walked of into the audience and let the performance continue by
> itself.
>>> I thought we were doing something that had never been done before
> (because
>> I
>>> wasn't influenced by anyone to think up the idea) but have since, 
>>> due to
>>> that same
>>> academic genius, Dr. Zvonar come to find that it was all old hat by 
>>> that
>>> time.
>>>
>>> Noone in that audience had ever heard it (which is true of most of 
>>> the
>>> audiences that I
>>> play for still, to this day.....LOL.
>>>
>>> A couple of years later, a guy just reminded me a couple of months 
>>> ago,
> he
>>> saw me
>>> at the old UNION GROVE (pre-earthquake) playing one of the original
>> digital
>>> delays and I had it on an infinite repeat and was singing faux pygmy
>>> yodelling
>>> into it with a really primitive harmonizer.
>>>
>>> I had completely forgotten this as I was poor as a church mouse 
>>> (living
>> off
>>> of
>>> really 'out of the box' music at the time) and couldn't possibly 
>>> afford
>> the
>>> gear
>>> I was drooling over until this guy reminded me.
>>>
>>> He said,  "You've been looping for 20 years, man".
>>>
>>> It startled me because the instant the Lexicon Jamman came out, I 
>>> bought
>> one
>>> and ended
>>> up playing them for 8 years (ultimately three of them synchronized 
>>> with
>>> midi) until
>>> I purchased the DL-4.
>>>
>>> I did my recent live CD with two of those until I bought my Repeater 
>>> and
>>> added it to the
>>> madness.
>>>
>>> Then, just recently I got my first EDP with loop 4:   whole new 
>>> ballgame
>>> again.
>>>
>>> I have the Repeater feeding the EDP (through AUX 1) and the EDP 
>>> feeding
>> the
>>> Repeater
>>> (through AUX 2) and have retired my DL4s (that I love dearly) for
>> everything
>>> except
>>> my
>>>
>>> PORTABLE BUSKING LOOPING RIG  which consists of a battery powered 
>>> head
> set
>>> mic, battery powered mini amplifier, battery bowered DL4, battery
> powered
>>> Boss Intellishifter
>>> all feeding into a dweeby, little girls plastic portable CD amplifier
> made
>>> of,
>>> you guessed it,  TRANSLUCENT DAYGLO LIME GREEN PLASTIC!!!
>>>
>>> This is all velcroed onto a high school marching drum apparatus made 
>>> of
>>> aluminum.
>>> I think there are photos of me by Ted Killian on my website if my
>>> webmistress (wow, it gets me hot calling my wife that......LOL) has 
>>> put
>> them
>>> up yet.
>>>
>>> LOOP ON!
>>>
>>> rick walker (aka.loop.pool)
>>> www.looppool.info
>>>
>>>
>>> *I still have the little graphics kit to change the front panel 
>>> graphics
>> of
>>> the JAMMAN
>>> to say JAMPERSON if anyone else thinks this is appropos, as I do.
> E-mail
>> me
>>> off list
>>> and I'll get one out to you if I can find it........lol
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

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I'm a day behind this post

and a few days short of 35,

I've yet to start looping live with one of the tools of the trade although I am using reakor to mangle loops at the moment (so technically I'm still a looper yet to be born) but in a previous life I was 107 and peformed live loops using an old sandle, a bucket of water and nose flute. And then my small close knit community that then copied everything I did until using similar gear until the sun went down and the fire went out...



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> > I look upon the DirectMIDIs as a bonus feature,
>  > and will certainly checking out your bug 
>  > for future musical use.
>  > 
>  > andy butler
>  
>  
>  Oh, really? It's just plain bursts of hellish noise! Forgot to tell you
>  that. I'd like to hear that "musical use" of yours ;-) And thanks for
>  the exellent answer. I can now proceed my EDP programming in a slightly
>  less frustrated mode.

the "hellish noise" is (I imagine) the EDP running through memory that 
was randomised at boot up.
If the EDP has been heavily used before the bug is encountered 
then chances are that memory is full of bits of old loop.
So quite likely this can be used as an extension of Loop Windowing,
allowing you to go back to material recorded before a Reset.
Quite often during Beta Testing the 2 EDPs would seem to go 
into a state where they were playing through the entire memory,
...it was mixed up fragments of loops (and the occasional "hellish noise"),
....quite entertaining;-)
I'd guess the same sort of thing is happenning with your bug.

andy butler 

 

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----- Original Message -----
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> Dennis Leas wrote:
>
> "At 49, I was afraid I was the eldest and then I'd have begin talking like
> Gabby Hayes.  You know, "Why, yew young whippersnappers!  Ah was rootin',
> tootin', an loopin' afore yew was knee-high to a Stratocaster, by
> crackey!...(Dadgum, varmits!)  We use-ta use steem enjines to loop with
> afore 'lectricity!.  Hand-cranked loopers!....(Gimme more o' them beans,
> Roy!)"
>
>
> LOL,   when we started looping the sampling rate was 8 bit and we liked
it.
> we loved it...........hey hey hey.

And we were THANKFUL, dammit!

S.P. Goodman
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*
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"Neil Goldstein" <ngold@attbi.com> put forth:

> Age may take its toll, but that TOLL could also be an acronym for a
> potential show:
>
> Trusty Old Loopers' Loopfest

How about Old Grey Loopers' Test? :)

> Only those over 30 need apply...can we trust ourselves??

I always marvelled at how quickly those who told us not to trust anyone over
30 shut up once they'd reached that age - and wondered if it shouldn't be
called "Logan's Run" Syndrome... :)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 5:57 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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>
> At 10:24 PM +0100 2/10/03, Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) wrote:
> >After reading everyone else's posts, I feel such a baby at the young
> >and ripe age of 30 :)
>
> And I remember when weren't supposed to trust anyone over that age.
> --
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> Richard Zvonar, PhD
> (818) 788-2202
> http://www.zvonar.com
> http://RZCybernetics.com
>
>
>
>
>
>

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  <smile>   Old bits of loop could be AWESOME!   hellish noise would
definitely be NOT AWESOME!  -Can we eliminate the noise but keep the
AWESOME?!   lol!   
  I should be beginning to program a foot controller this week, so may try
this out to see if it can be recreated on my EDP.   It's an original
Oberheim model upgraded and mod'ed to the very latest specs.  -obviously
including Loop IV.  <smile>   -Hope the noise isn't too horrible!   lol!
-Actually, I hope it doesn't happen at all!, and just acts properly...
<smile>   AWESOME, of course!...   lol!     

Smiles,

CQ

At 04:01 AM 2/11/03 EST, you wrote:
>> > I look upon the DirectMIDIs as a bonus feature,
>>  > and will certainly checking out your bug 
>>  > for future musical use.
>>  > 
>>  > andy butler
>>  
>>  
>>  Oh, really? It's just plain bursts of hellish noise! Forgot to tell you
>>  that. I'd like to hear that "musical use" of yours ;-) And thanks for
>>  the exellent answer. I can now proceed my EDP programming in a slightly
>>  less frustrated mode.
>
>the "hellish noise" is (I imagine) the EDP running through memory that 
>was randomised at boot up.
>If the EDP has been heavily used before the bug is encountered 
>then chances are that memory is full of bits of old loop.
>So quite likely this can be used as an extension of Loop Windowing,
>allowing you to go back to material recorded before a Reset.
>Quite often during Beta Testing the 2 EDPs would seem to go 
>into a state where they were playing through the entire memory,
>...it was mixed up fragments of loops (and the occasional "hellish noise"),
>....quite entertaining;-)
>I'd guess the same sort of thing is happenning with your bug.
>
>andy butler 
>
> 
>
>


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age 27 ahhh its good to feel young again!!
 
first looping at 13 with feedback!!! on an electric guitar

Happening again, only with mixing desk feeding back into an EDP.
Cook that desk.
Geoff
> 

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  Hey All, have some gear I'd like to post if anyone's interested.   I'm
moving, and don't find myself using these bits, so it'd be nice for them to
go to someone who might like them.   <smile>   

Lexicon Jam-Man, or Jam-Person, as the lovely and talented Rick Walker
would say!   lol!   
Complete packing, manual, adapter, original pedal and cable, upgraded to 32
secs. mint condition, kept in a rack, in perfect working order.  $400

Roland FC-200 midi foot controller, excellent condition, $75

ART X-15 midi foot controller, slightly modified to change the tactile
nature of the pedals, without interfering at all with operation.  $50  

Roland MC-303 GrooveBox, excellent condition, sounds great, and  works
wonderfully for midi clock, does not transmit CC, PC Does transmit NOTE.  $150

You'd need to pay shipping of course.  Please e-mail me off-list if anyone
is interested in these, or would like more info, K?   Thanks bunches.
Have a great day!...   

Smiles,

Cara




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Hi list,

Here's a specific EDP loop4 question: 

I usually run the EDP with the sync setting "out" as the midi clock
master in my live system. But now I'm planning to do a couple of
recordings where the EDP is set as slave (sync = "in"). But this sync
setting seems to affect some features like Record, Multiply and
DirectMIDI SUSRoundedInsert and SUSReplace. Also, when I start out by
pressing REC the recording goes on for two bars when I want to close the
loop already after one 4th (pressing rec a second time to close the loop
does not take action until two bars have passed)

Thing I do live, which is not possible now, with the EDP slave synced
are:

- Doing quantized and rounded inserts of 16ths to gradually lengthen the
loop until it reaches one bar.
- Cutting a loop by a long press of multiply (when EDP set to SUS mode).

Have I missed something? Is there a simple explanation? Any ideas?

Best wishes

Per Boysen
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  Good morning All, would someone be so kind as to tell me the name of the
FCB 1010 users group on yahoo, or another list?   I searched but haven't
found it.   Thanks so much...   

Smiles,

Cara




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http://www.altrion.org/fcb1010/

For the unofficial homepage.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fcb1010/

For the user's group.


--- Goddess <thefates@earthlink.net> wrote:
>   Good morning All, would someone be so kind as to
> tell me the name of the
> FCB 1010 users group on yahoo, or another list?   I
> searched but haven't
> found it.   Thanks so much...   
> 
> Smiles,
> 
> Cara
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ---
> 
>   "The only things I really think are important, are
> love, and eachother.
> -Then, anything is possible..."  
> 
> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates
> 
> Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe.  
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction 
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe 
> 
> 


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     Who's currently using this one? How reliable is it compared to the older model? Where is the best price?


                        Thanks, James

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ok, 38.9 (turn 39 on feb 28)
been looping since 2001, when i stumbled on the L-D site first w/ my
digitech rp100-2 sec of delay time, then wanted more. got a dod d12 for
12 sec, and have had fun/luck w/ that. dream of getting other stuff,
but what i have will suffice. it's funny, i'm coming up on playing guitar
for 20 yrs, boy i think i should be a better guitarist, but keep 
trying i guess.
other funny thing: every time i'm in a music store now, i look at all 
the new gear, and think there is nothing in here that i want. a 
strange place to be.
other funny thing: ok for xmas i get the fostex mr-8 digital recorder 
(8 track), so what have i been doing for the last few nights? 
practicing doing live loops to one track (messing w/ all my effects 
etc) and seeing what i come up w/. since the mr8 has very limited 
recording, i then mix it down to my cd recorder. just funny to have 
an 8 track recorder and i find i'm only using 1 track, but it is 
digital. and fun!!!!!!!
s---
ps-other last funny thing, the gear i have now, i could only dream 
about back in 1990-91. guess that's the great thing about old gear....

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Re: average age of the looping community----- Original Message ----- 
From: Richard Zvonar 

>I'll be 57 this month. This is 2*19, which was the age at which I:

2x19 = 38, 3x19 = 57. 

Thanks for explaning. ;)


* David Beardsley
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>  > LOL,   when we started looping the sampling rate was 8 bit and we liked
>it.
>>  we loved it...........hey hey hey.
>
>And we were THANKFUL, dammit!

When I first started sampling...
[clicks dentures together and wheezes]
we were sampling on a PDP-11!

It had 64MB of memory and a 20MB removable disk
where the disk driver was the size of a washing machine!

     /t
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38

todd reynolds

On 2/11/03 1:45 AM, "Luigi Meloni" <Luigimeloni74@libero.it> wrote:

> I'm 28...
> 
> 

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> Hi list,
>
> Here's a specific EDP loop4 question:
>
> I usually run the EDP with the sync setting "out" as the midi clock
> master in my live system. But now I'm planning to do a couple of
> recordings where the EDP is set as slave (sync = "in"). But this sync
> setting seems to affect some features like Record, Multiply and
> DirectMIDI SUSRoundedInsert and SUSReplace. Also, when I start out by
> pressing REC the recording goes on for two bars when I want to close
the
> loop already after one 4th (pressing rec a second time to close the
loop
> does not take action until two bars have passed)

reduce 8th param val

> Thing I do live, which is not possible now, with the EDP slave synced
> are:
>
> - Doing quantized and rounded inserts of 16ths to gradually lengthen
the
> loop until it reaches one bar.

reduce the 8th par value

should help

Claude

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At 9:38 AM -0500 2/11/03, David Beardsley wrote:

>2x19 = 38, 3x19 = 57.

Arithmetic was never my strong suit. Neither was typing.
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Hi list--First off I'm 50, and should be dead several times over, but what
of that.
Now to the salient portion of my message.  I am putting together a proposal
to play for our local (San Diego California) Library Summer Reading Programs
(might be doing it for free--funding is frozen for now--God Bless America).
They want a description of what in the hell I'm planning to spring on young
people (probably teenagers--although they have the thing for all ages and I
bet I could entertain younguns with this stuff too).
So here's what I have so far:
RELAY is a solo project of Gary Lehmann, a singer/guitarist active in the
San Diego area for over 20 years.  RELAY uses echoes to create a live
multi-track performance.  Basically the concept is capturing sound using
digital delays, which can be controlled using MIDI, a computer
communications system.  RELAY sounds like a whole band, all done live!
Is this enough?  Is it clear enough to the "layman"? 8^/  Any suggestions?
(I already quit my "day job")
Gary
PS  It's FINALLY raining in San Diego--but it's one of those tropical storms
from the south--think we're gonna get some flooding.  Hope everyone is safe
and warm inside and looping their ears off.
G


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Why don't more companies try to come up with touch sensitive necks with 
a vibration sensor for each string, like the old Casio MIDI guitar (not 
the real guitar with the hex pickup, but the plastic ones they 
marketed).  Isn't this how the Starr guitar controllers work?  I 
imagine it could work with any string instrument.

Mark

On Monday, February 10, 2003, at 12:41 PM, Alan Kroeger wrote:

> Yes Stuart I am afraid you are right, I am actually toying with making
> my own piezo pickup and running into the
> GK-2a monophonic just to try and find a way to improve the situation. 
> If
> it worked (midi violin) there would be just an incredible amount of
> sonic possibilities including looping that would become available to 
> the
> Violin player, but alas it just doesn't work yet even in the overpriced
> Zeta product.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project)
> [mailto:loopers-delight@solostring.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 3:09 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: [OT] Violin midi (was average age of the looping community)
>
>
>
> On Monday, February 10, 2003, at 08:50 PM, Alan Kroeger wrote:
>
>> if I could just get a MIDI
>> Violin Pickup that worked, oh well maybe in a few more years. ;-)
>
> You'll have a long wait I think :(
> The problem with the violin is that it produces one of the largest
> range of sounds/harmonics, and midi pickups (read Zeta) as you have
> probably found out just do not work. Latency, ghost notes, no dynamics
> etc. etc. I tried one once, and was not impressed.
>
> Jon Rose has a custom midi pickup that he has made for his Hyperstring
> project (http://www.jonroseweb.com/f_projects_hyperstring.html) whereby
> he uses a midi pickup on the violin to detect the tone, a motion
> detector on the bow and a pedal to control the volume. I've never seen
> him play, but I think that his ideas are certainly a step in the right
> direction.
>
> -- 
> Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com
>

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I think that sounds intriguing; "Echo Music", LOL!  Actually, nobody's
really seemed to understand when I said that I used "Delays" to loop, but
"Echoes" is a more approachable term I think.  I'm going to use that one
next time ...

However, I would drop the MIDI reference and simply describe the fact that
you manipulate the Echoes in real time, or something to that affect.

Mike

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clayton Gary Lehmann [mailto:healthquestrecruiter@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 11:41 AM
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> Subject: I'm Working on a Description of Looping . . .
>
>
> Hi list--First off I'm 50, and should be dead several times
> over, but what
> of that.
> Now to the salient portion of my message.  I am putting
> together a proposal
> to play for our local (San Diego California) Library Summer
> Reading Programs
> (might be doing it for free--funding is frozen for now--God
> Bless America).
> They want a description of what in the hell I'm planning to
> spring on young
> people (probably teenagers--although they have the thing for
> all ages and I
> bet I could entertain younguns with this stuff too).
> So here's what I have so far:
> RELAY is a solo project of Gary Lehmann, a singer/guitarist
> active in the
> San Diego area for over 20 years.  RELAY uses echoes to create a live
> multi-track performance.  Basically the concept is capturing
> sound using
> digital delays, which can be controlled using MIDI, a computer
> communications system.  RELAY sounds like a whole band, all done live!
> Is this enough?  Is it clear enough to the "layman"? 8^/  Any
> suggestions?
> (I already quit my "day job")
> Gary
> PS  It's FINALLY raining in San Diego--but it's one of those
> tropical storms
> from the south--think we're gonna get some flooding.  Hope
> everyone is safe
> and warm inside and looping their ears off.
> G
>
>

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39... although it doesn't seem right when I write it down like this.. hehe...
:)

peace
-cpr

>-- Original Message --
>Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 08:57:33 -0800 (PST)
>From: Evan Meyers <evanmeyers@yahoo.com>
>Subject: average age of the looping community?
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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>
>
>i know, i know...this is a bit off topic, but being
>that we are all attempting to pioneer these looping
>devices out of the closet and into mainstream (not
>really, but so to speak)...i was just curious of the
>average age of the musicians working this gear into
>fluid musical performance?
>
>from the pix i've seen of loopers and the great
>friends i've made on this list, it seems to be more of
>an infatuation of the working class family folk, but i
>was just curious if i'm alone in trying to integrate
>the looping technology into my music scene.  
>
>i'm 24 and am moved by improvisational music and the
>jam scene and although i haven't found quite the right
>musicians to hit the road with, i have been able to
>successfully use my repeater and arsenal of sounds
>with all people i play with (as well as slowly
>building up a repetoir of solo music).
>
>just curuios...
>
>peace and bass...
>~e va n
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>38
>
>todd reynolds
>

me too

b
:
k

(am I late for something?)

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33 yrs

It was odd, for the first time I couldn't remember if I was 33 or 34 - I had 
to think about it for a second





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This isn't OT because I use mine to loop!
The Starr Labs Ztar uses switches--buttons--to represent each fret of the
guitar.  So there's 144 locations--6x24--and with the new software you can
map the crap out of it.  Also available are "strings" or pad type triggers
to actuate the notes (I don't have these) and pads, which can send CCs and
PCh in addition to Note Info--I think you can mix and match up to eight
messages per pad.  There's also a joystick!  And then there's ribbon
controller and breath controller options--he was working on an electronic
whammy bar--and more stuff I just can't even think of.
Harvey's got some pretty high profile clients, but the stuff is pretty
darned whizzy--
Haven't yet decided whether to use the double neck Ztar for my Library
Program--
Gary


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55 on May 24

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>Turntable U? In D.J.'s Hands Professor Sees an Instrument
>
>February 11, 2003
>By MICHAEL ENDELMAN 
>
>
>
>
>The Berklee College of Music is grappling with the question
>of whether hip-hop turntablism deserves to be taught
>alongside harmony, melody and improvisation. 
>
>http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/11/arts/music/11TURN.html?ex=1045985106&ei=1&en=e8d5b383d0aa5126




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----- Original Message -----
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> >Turntable U? In D.J.'s Hands Professor Sees an Instrument
> >
> >February 11, 2003
> >By MICHAEL ENDELMAN
> >
> >The Berklee College of Music is grappling with the question
> >of whether hip-hop turntablism deserves to be taught
> >alongside harmony, melody and improvisation.
> >
>
>http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/11/arts/music/11TURN.html?ex=1045985106&ei=1
&en=e8d5b383d0aa5126

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/11/arts/music/11TURN.html


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> >>
> >> i just turned 36 dec 13th
> >>
> >> life is good...
> >>
> >> http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com


Makes 2 of us jimmy
loop on!
L.a


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Hi folks,
After the first Boston Loopfest concluded I closed down the discussion
list I create for the event.  

At the request of others I have set up a public discussion list for
those who are interested in talking about/participating in/being
informed of looping events in MA and around New England.

To subscribe send a post to boston-loopers-subscribe@randomsalt.com

regards,
jeff


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--- Tom Ritchford <tom@swirly.com> wrote:

> When I first started sampling...
> [clicks dentures together and wheezes]
> we were sampling on a PDP-11!
> 
> It had 64MB of memory and a 20MB removable disk
> where the disk driver was the size of a washing machine!

If it was the same disk drive I used on the old PDP at my school, it was only
12MB. Had a disk pack that was about 2" tall that snapped into place with a
handle on the top. The product name escapes my feeble memory.

Greg

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its like playing music in the grand canyon without the grand canyon (he
couldn't make it)

sorry

Claude

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----- Original Message ----- 
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> At 9:38 AM -0500 2/11/03, David Beardsley wrote:
> 
> >2x19 = 38, 3x19 = 57.
> 
> Arithmetic was never my strong suit. Neither was typing.

It's OK. I needed a calculator to check it. ;)


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This whole subject of age has awakened my curiosity!
the arts being often a comodity for many people
How many of you are lucky enough to live strictly from
looping, art or music?
L.a




> > 
> > Well,
> > 
> > I'm a 49 year old father of 3 and husband of one
> woman 
> > for 24 years so I guess that means I'm a
> guilty-as-charged,
> > working class "family guy" in most respects. But I
> began 
> > looping a rather long time ago -- long before kids
> anyway 
> > (my oldest is 17). And, my imagination had been
> captured 
> > by the possibilities of the old tape "echoplex"
> and loops 
> > made on "altered" reel tape decks long before I'd
> even 
> > met my wife in 1976.
> > 
> > I'd say that us older musicians with a steady jobs
> and stable
> > situations are more able to procure, learn and
> hang on to
> > some of this expensive, complicated gear -- and
> develop 
> > a pretty good vision of what we wanna do with it.
> We may 
> > not be as free to tour or take gigs (the down side
> of the
> > "ties that bind") but we're no less passionate or
> creative
> > about our activities -- IMHO. 
> > 
> > But, this is a pretty diverse list. No "ageism" is
> really possible.
> > Andre LaFosse is a youngish (and, as far as I
> know) single guy
> > who's utter mastery of the EDP knocks my socks off
> every
> > time I hear him. There are awesome women loopers
> of all ages.
> > And, although there seems to be a preponderance of
> guitar
> > slingers here there are drummers, DJs, wind, key
> and kitchen
> > utensil players too -- plus a handful that simply
> play the processing
> > sans instrument (or processing as an instrument in
> itself).
> > 
> > There are goddesses, doctors, teachers, students,
> artists, 
> > writers, waiters, democrats, republicans,
> anarchists, religionists, 
> > atheists, agnostics, whatever . . . folk of every
> walk and stripe 
> > of life here. And, I suspect, a pretty wide spread
> of ages too. 
> > Folks with dark hair, grey hair, purple hair or no
> hair abound.
> > This is a pretty complicated and colorful
> community.
> > 
> > tEd � kiLLiAn
> > 
> > ArsOcarina@aol.com
> > http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian
> > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
> > http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake
> > 
> 
> when i see your mail adress, i've one question: do
> you play ocarina (i do!)?
> andi paulo
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>--- Tom Ritchford <tom@swirly.com> wrote:
>
>>  When I first started sampling...
>>  [clicks dentures together and wheezes]
>>  we were sampling on a PDP-11!
>>
>>  It had 64MB of memory and a 20MB removable disk
>>  where the disk driver was the size of a washing machine!
>
>If it was the same disk drive I used on the old PDP at my school, it was only
>12MB. Had a disk pack that was about 2" tall that snapped into place with a
>handle on the top. The product name escapes my feeble memory.

hmm, I was PRETTY sure it was 20MB.  it was an RLX something-or-other.

the PDP-11 was a GREAT machine -- I wrote a "complete" music
language in it called CLOD.  the timing was all free-running
so if you added new elements into your piece, the pitch
of everything would drop -- it actually sounded great but
of course wasn't very disciplined.

     /t
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Anybody suffering from this symptom yet?




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Why not have the description explain what the music sounds like, as opposed 
to how you create it?

kim

At 08:41 AM 2/11/2003, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote:
>They want a description of what in the hell I'm planning to spring on young
>people (probably teenagers--although they have the thing for all ages and I
>bet I could entertain younguns with this stuff too).
>So here's what I have so far:
>RELAY is a solo project of Gary Lehmann, a singer/guitarist active in the
>San Diego area for over 20 years.  RELAY uses echoes to create a live
>multi-track performance.  Basically the concept is capturing sound using
>digital delays, which can be controlled using MIDI, a computer
>communications system.  RELAY sounds like a whole band, all done live!
>Is this enough?  Is it clear enough to the "layman"? 8^/  Any suggestions?



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Claude viens d'avoir quarante cinq ans et papote sur loopers-delight
depuis l'ete 1997

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Isn't it known as a personopause these days?

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At 09:04 AM 2/11/2003, Mark Sottilaro wrote:
>Why don't more companies try to come up with touch sensitive necks with a 
>vibration sensor for each string, like the old Casio MIDI guitar (not the 
>real guitar with the hex pickup, but the plastic ones they 
>marketed).  Isn't this how the Starr guitar controllers work?  I imagine 
>it could work with any string instrument.

because they tried already and went out of business.

Either it ends up totally unlike the traditional instrument, so hardly 
anybody wants to use it, or it is a lot like the traditional 
instrument  but it costs so much to manufacture that nobody can afford it.

If you can solve that problem you will be a hero.

kim


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Most Violin players would find the keyboard/fingerboard concept as so
far removed from playing a violin that they would probably rather use a
keyboard to get what they want rather then use something so completely
alien. You need strings and a bow to be playing a Violin/Viola/Cello
anything else is too far removed and you might as well consider another
instrument, I do have a MIDI guitar I just would like to use MIDI in
conjunction with the Electric Violin. 

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At 09:04 AM 2/11/2003, Mark Sottilaro wrote:
>Why don't more companies try to come up with touch sensitive necks with

>a
>vibration sensor for each string, like the old Casio MIDI guitar (not
the 
>real guitar with the hex pickup, but the plastic ones they 
>marketed).  Isn't this how the Starr guitar controllers work?  I
imagine 
>it could work with any string instrument.

because they tried already and went out of business.

Either it ends up totally unlike the traditional instrument, so hardly 
anybody wants to use it, or it is a lot like the traditional 
instrument  but it costs so much to manufacture that nobody can afford
it.

If you can solve that problem you will be a hero.

kim


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I was going to cancel this because of the frigid weather
we're having (not good for guitars!), but this will my
last show for a few months. With two cds 
and a string quartet in the works, I'm suddenly very busy.
So...come on down, I'll be introducing a few new works
in progress:

DAVID BEARDSLEY
Microtonal Just Intonation guitar, 
echoes, loops, drones and minimalism.

"Beardsley sculpts tones into overpowering moods." 
- Kyle Gann, the Village Voice, NYC

February 13 , 2003
Two sets: 9 & 10:30 p.m., $7.00

Chama
332 East 4th Street, between Aves C & D
East Village, NYC 
646-654-6472


"Phenomenal is one thought. Deep modern meditational tool is another." 
Pat Pagano, dir. Southeast Just Intonation Society, Gainesville, Fl.


http://biink.com/db
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0241/gann.php


* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I was going to cancel this because of the frigid 
weather</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>we're having (not good for guitars!), but this will 
my</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>last show for a few months. With two cds 
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>and a string quartet in the works, I'm suddenly 
very busy.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>So...come on down, 
I'll be introducing a few new works</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>in progress:</DIV>
<DIV><BR><STRONG>DAVID BEARDSLEY<BR></STRONG>Microtonal Just Intonation guitar, 
<BR>echoes, loops, drones and minimalism.<BR><BR>"Beardsley sculpts tones into 
overpowering moods." <BR>- Kyle Gann, the Village Voice, NYC</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2><!--StartFragment --><B>February 13 , 
2003</B><BR><B>Two sets: 9 &amp; 10:30 p.m., $7.00</B></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial 
size=2><STRONG></STRONG><STRONG></STRONG><STRONG></STRONG><BR><STRONG>Chama<BR></STRONG>332 
East 4th Street, between Aves C &amp; D<BR>East Village, NYC 
<BR>646-654-6472</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>"Phenomenal is 
one thought. Deep modern meditational tool is another." <BR>Pat Pagano, dir. 
Southeast Just Intonation Society, Gainesville, Fl.<BR></DIV></FONT>
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href="http://biink.com/db">http://biink.com/db</A></FONT><FONT face=Arial 
size=2><BR></FONT><A 
href="http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0241/gann.php"><FONT face=Arial 
size=2>http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0241/gann.php</FONT></A></DIV>
<DIV></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>* David Beardsley<BR>* microtonal guitar<BR>* <A 
href="http://biink.com/db">http://biink.com/db</A></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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>Hi Ian,
>    Thanks for the reply.  Do you run your looper into one of the aux
sends of
>the 802A?  It seems like the 802A might work out for what I want to do.
>
>Thanks for the reply,
>John

Hi John,

Yes, I wire my DL4 from the post-fade send and back into the aux return, this
way I can choose what goes into it - VL70, MS2000 or my flute. Its so much
better than having one thing hard wired into the DL4 as I used to. I'm gunna
get another volume pedal to wire on the send to the looper so that I have more
control.

I think the Mackie VLZ-Pro mixers have slightly better mic amps but I just use
the Behringer for live and its fine.

Good luck.
Ian.


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happy birthday d. swain!

jg
http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com


----- Original Message -----
From: David Swain <d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 12:17 AM
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> Wow my birthday is december 13th as well, i turned 29
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jimmy George Band" <jg@jimmygeorgeband.com>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 1:11 AM
> Subject: Re: average age of the looping community
>
>
> > is that in loop years rick???
> >
> > i just turned 36 dec 13th
> >
> > life is good...
> >
> > http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL <GLOBAL@cruzio.com>
> > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> > Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 4:44 PM
> > Subject: average age of the looping community
> >
> >
> > > 49 =  7 X 7   for me
> > >
> > > did my first looping performance in 1980 with TAO ELECTRICAL
> > > which was a spinoff group of popular new wave band I was in, TAO
> CHEMICAL.
> > > Didn't do another one until the release of the lexicon JAMMAN
(redubbed
> > the
> > > JAMPERSON
> > > for our politically correct and non-sexist People's Republic of Santa
> Cruz
> > > audiences.**
> > >
> > > At the end of our set at an electronic music concert (with Dr. Richard
> > > Zvonar and Bob Beede on the bill, by the way)  each of the members of
> this
> > > trio (bass, guitar and drums = me) recorded a loop onto three original
> > tube
> > > echoplexes with erase disengaged (manually, i believe but I didn't
> > actually
> > > do that so I can't say for sure) and, one by one,
> > > we walked of into the audience and let the performance continue by
> itself.
> > > I thought we were doing something that had never been done before
> (because
> > I
> > > wasn't influenced by anyone to think up the idea) but have since, due
to
> > > that same
> > > academic genius, Dr. Zvonar come to find that it was all old hat by
that
> > > time.
> > >
> > > Noone in that audience had ever heard it (which is true of most of the
> > > audiences that I
> > > play for still, to this day.....LOL.
> > >
> > > A couple of years later, a guy just reminded me a couple of months
ago,
> he
> > > saw me
> > > at the old UNION GROVE (pre-earthquake) playing one of the original
> > digital
> > > delays and I had it on an infinite repeat and was singing faux pygmy
> > > yodelling
> > > into it with a really primitive harmonizer.
> > >
> > > I had completely forgotten this as I was poor as a church mouse
(living
> > off
> > > of
> > > really 'out of the box' music at the time) and couldn't possibly
afford
> > the
> > > gear
> > > I was drooling over until this guy reminded me.
> > >
> > > He said,  "You've been looping for 20 years, man".
> > >
> > > It startled me because the instant the Lexicon Jamman came out, I
bought
> > one
> > > and ended
> > > up playing them for 8 years (ultimately three of them synchronized
with
> > > midi) until
> > > I purchased the DL-4.
> > >
> > > I did my recent live CD with two of those until I bought my Repeater
and
> > > added it to the
> > > madness.
> > >
> > > Then, just recently I got my first EDP with loop 4:   whole new
ballgame
> > > again.
> > >
> > > I have the Repeater feeding the EDP (through AUX 1) and the EDP
feeding
> > the
> > > Repeater
> > > (through AUX 2) and have retired my DL4s (that I love dearly) for
> > everything
> > > except
> > > my
> > >
> > > PORTABLE BUSKING LOOPING RIG  which consists of a battery powered head
> set
> > > mic, battery powered mini amplifier, battery bowered DL4, battery
> powered
> > > Boss Intellishifter
> > > all feeding into a dweeby, little girls plastic portable CD amplifier
> made
> > > of,
> > > you guessed it,  TRANSLUCENT DAYGLO LIME GREEN PLASTIC!!!
> > >
> > > This is all velcroed onto a high school marching drum apparatus made
of
> > > aluminum.
> > > I think there are photos of me by Ted Killian on my website if my
> > > webmistress (wow, it gets me hot calling my wife that......LOL) has
put
> > them
> > > up yet.
> > >
> > > LOOP ON!
> > >
> > > rick walker (aka.loop.pool)
> > > www.looppool.info
> > >
> > >
> > > *I still have the little graphics kit to change the front panel
graphics
> > of
> > > the JAMMAN
> > > to say JAMPERSON if anyone else thinks this is appropos, as I do.
> E-mail
> > me
> > > off list
> > > and I'll get one out to you if I can find it........lol
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>

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have a great show david! stay warm and give ny my best. wish i could be =
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peace
jg
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  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: David Beardsley=20
  To: extremeNY@topica.com ; droneon@lists.no-fi.com ; :: 3/2, 7/4, =
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  Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 12:29 PM
  Subject: NYC 2/13/2003: microtonal guitar concert


  I was going to cancel this because of the frigid weather
  we're having (not good for guitars!), but this will my
  last show for a few months. With two cds=20
  and a string quartet in the works, I'm suddenly very busy.
  So...come on down, I'll be introducing a few new works
  in progress:

  DAVID BEARDSLEY
  Microtonal Just Intonation guitar,=20
  echoes, loops, drones and minimalism.

  "Beardsley sculpts tones into overpowering moods."=20
  - Kyle Gann, the Village Voice, NYC

  February 13 , 2003
  Two sets: 9 & 10:30 p.m., $7.00

  Chama
  332 East 4th Street, between Aves C & D
  East Village, NYC=20
  646-654-6472


  "Phenomenal is one thought. Deep modern meditational tool is another." =

  Pat Pagano, dir. Southeast Just Intonation Society, Gainesville, Fl.


  http://biink.com/db
  http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0241/gann.php


  * David Beardsley
  * microtonal guitar
  * http://biink.com/db
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>have a great show david! stay warm and =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>peace</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>jg</FONT></DIV>
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  <A title=3Ddb@biink.com href=3D"mailto:db@biink.com">David =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
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<A=20
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7/4,=20
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  =
href=3D"mailto:MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com">MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups=
.com</A>=20
  ; <A title=3DLoopers-Delight@annihilist.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com">Looper's Delight =
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I was going to cancel this because of =
the frigid=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>we're having (not good for guitars!), =
but this=20
  will my</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>last show for a few months. With two =
cds=20
  </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and a string quartet in the works, =
I'm suddenly=20
  very busy.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>So...come on down,=20
  I'll be introducing a few new works</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>in progress:</DIV>
  <DIV><BR><STRONG>DAVID BEARDSLEY<BR></STRONG>Microtonal Just =
Intonation=20
  guitar, <BR>echoes, loops, drones and minimalism.<BR><BR>"Beardsley =
sculpts=20
  tones into overpowering moods." <BR>- Kyle Gann, the Village Voice,=20
  NYC</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><!--StartFragment --><B>February =
13 ,=20
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13th also louie?

happy bday!
jg
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> 
> > >>
> > >> i just turned 36 dec 13th
> > >>
> > >> life is good...
> > >>
> > >> http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com
> 
> 
> Makes 2 of us jimmy
> loop on!
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Thanks... I'll try to stay warm...

* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 2:43 PM
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  have a great show david! stay warm and give ny my best. wish i could be there.

  peace
  jg
  http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com


    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: David Beardsley 
    To: extremeNY@topica.com ; droneon@lists.no-fi.com ; :: 3/2, 7/4, 9/8... ; MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com ; Looper's Delight Mailing List ; Ohmbient list ; the_Ambient_way@yahoogroups.com ; davidtorn@yahoogroups.com ; GuitarsAmpsEffects@yahoogroups.com ; powerspot@yahoogroups.com ; microtones@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 12:29 PM
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    I was going to cancel this because of the frigid weather
    we're having (not good for guitars!), but this will my
    last show for a few months. With two cds 
    and a string quartet in the works, I'm suddenly very busy.
    So...come on down, I'll be introducing a few new works
    in progress:

    DAVID BEARDSLEY
    Microtonal Just Intonation guitar, 
    echoes, loops, drones and minimalism.

    "Beardsley sculpts tones into overpowering moods." 
    - Kyle Gann, the Village Voice, NYC

    February 13 , 2003
    Two sets: 9 & 10:30 p.m., $7.00

    Chama
    332 East 4th Street, between Aves C & D
    East Village, NYC 
    646-654-6472


    "Phenomenal is one thought. Deep modern meditational tool is another." 
    Pat Pagano, dir. Southeast Just Intonation Society, Gainesville, Fl.


    http://biink.com/db
    http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0241/gann.php


    * David Beardsley
    * microtonal guitar
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks... I'll try to stay warm...</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>have a great show david! stay warm and give ny my 
  best. wish i could be there.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>peace</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>jg</FONT></DIV>
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    guitar concert</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I was going to cancel this because of the 
    frigid weather</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>we're having (not good for guitars!), but this 
    will my</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>last show for a few months. With two cds 
    </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>and a string quartet in the works, I'm suddenly 
    very busy.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>So...come on 
    down, I'll be introducing a few new works</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>in progress:</DIV>
    <DIV><BR><STRONG>DAVID BEARDSLEY<BR></STRONG>Microtonal Just Intonation 
    guitar, <BR>echoes, loops, drones and minimalism.<BR><BR>"Beardsley sculpts 
    tones into overpowering moods." <BR>- Kyle Gann, the Village Voice, 
    NYC</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2><!--StartFragment --><B>February 13 , 
    2003</B><BR><B>Two sets: 9 &amp; 10:30 p.m., $7.00</B></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial 
    size=2><STRONG></STRONG><STRONG></STRONG><STRONG></STRONG><BR><STRONG>Chama<BR></STRONG>332 
    East 4th Street, between Aves C &amp; D<BR>East Village, NYC 
    <BR>646-654-6472</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial 
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I wasn't going to indulge this thread (or fess up?), but the oldies 
need support!

I hope to reach 54 in 13 days.  First loop about 1982, via a DIY 
4-second BBD circuit designed by Craig Anderton.  Interesting, that 
thing's delay time grew shorter and shorter over a couple years until 
it was basically a flanger.  Don't ask me how...

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>Thanks... I'll try to stay warm...

get Stv Jns to have that heater on BEFORE you get there!

     /t
-- 

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http://extremeNY.com/calendar .................................. the calendar.
http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar.

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> "Rich R." wrote:
> 
> > While I love my Echo Pro, I'd like to get to the
> > bottom of this matter.
> 

It seems like the DL4 cought on better than the echo
pro .This is one of the few loop devices which has
different vintage delay emulations which you can loop
as well.Although not the best looper it is probably
the best in the price range.
L.a


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----- Original Message ----- 
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> >Thanks... I'll try to stay warm...
> 
> get Stv Jns to have that heater on BEFORE you get there!

It's not Chama, it's the trip TO Chama.


* David Beardsley
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* http://biink.com/db

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American Composers Forum of Los Angeles proudly presents:

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FOURTH acf/LA TECHNOLOGY SALON
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Sunday, FEBRUARY 16, 2003, 2:00-5:00 PM

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LIVE COMPUTER MUSIC - PERFORMING WITH LAPTOPS
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The software demonstrated will be:

David Javelosa -  Sonic Foundry's Acid loop-based software and the 
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<http://www.sonicfoundry.com/products/acidfamily.asp>
<http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html> <http://www.pure-data.org/>

Steve Duda - Devine Machine, new performance looping software for the PC.
<http://www.devine-machine.com/>

Mark Trayle - Max/MSP and SuperCollider, two musical development 
environments (or software "kits"). Mark will also demonstrate some of 
the hardware control systems he uses for his solo and networked 
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<http://www.audiosynth.com/>

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"Andreas Paulo" <apaulo@web.de> schrieb am 11.02.03 01:34:56:
> <m.lameyer@verizon.net> schrieb am 10.02.03 20:21:52:
> > 
> > He uses the Repeater FX sends as a mute circuit with LED status display
> > (i.e. the FX lights above each track).  So when he routes tracks to the FX
> > send, in his implementation, the signal goes nowhere (nothing's patched into
> > the FX send outputs), and he's effectively muting those tracks.  One caveat
> > with this approach is that when the FX send is engaged on no tracks, it's
> > muting the input.  Which could be handy in some circumstances.
> > 
> > Mike
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net]
> > > Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 2:07 PM
> > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > > Subject: Re: how to vary loops
> > >
> > >
> > > I wish I could understand this.
> > >
> > > Mark Sottilaro
> > >
> > > On Monday, February 10, 2003, at 10:50 AM, Andreas Paulo wrote:
> > >
> > > > i use the effect loop of the repeater in a different way: i
> > > only plug
> > > > it to the mixer with the main outs. when i route a track to
> > > the (not
> > > > plugged) effect sends, it's muted. with the normal mute function i
> > > > can't see, which track is muted and which not, what can be
> > > a problem,
> > > > when i start a new song in a live situation. now i can see
> > > it with the
> > > > fx-insert leds, and in case of doubt i have a
> > > no-insert-knob on the
> > > > midi foot pedal, so everything is right when i start a new piece.
> > > > andi paulo
> > > >
> > > ______________________________________________________________
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> > > > _______
> > > > SMS verschicken und die Telefonnummer gleich im Adressbuch
> > > speichern.
> > > > Geht nicht? -  Geht doch! -
> > http://freemail.web.de/features/?mc=021150
> > >
> > 
> 
 exactly, mike, that's it! 
 with the normal mute function i had the problem that i ended a song with tracks muted and didn't remember it starting next the song, so i played something to a muted track and wondered why i could hear nothing.
another good thing about it is, that it΄s possible, for example to mute track 1 and 2 and undo the mute of 3 and 4 with one kick on the midi-pedal. with the normal mute funtion you can΄t do that.
 sorry for my english, but you did a good translation!
 andi paulo 


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In a message dated 2/11/03 12:44:46 PM, geoff.smith15@btopenworld.com writes:

<< age 27 ahhh its good to feel young again!!
first looping at 13 with feedback!!! on an electric guitar >>

Age-just shy of 50, still feel young (o maybe just not grown up yet), and 
also started "looping" with feedback on electric guitar - with a fuzz box (or 
2 or 3 in series) 'twixt guitar and amp - back in the Blue Cheer/ Iron 
Butterfly days. - Paul

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I'm recently (and seemingly sprightly compared to the apparent average age) 33.

   Kevin

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I made some money last year producing and playing on a few records and
teaching,
but I am happy to say that it was the first year of my life
that I could have survived entirely on looping or looping related things.

I made about $30,000 in just loop related gigs and selling my CDs at them
 which sucks as a salary in the hi tech programming world but seems like a
miracle
to me.

I have to thank this community for a lot of the contacts that I have made
professionally
and for the really wonderful 'lend a hand' and help out mentality of this
site.

Talking to another professional musician last night he said, "how the hell
did you book
a two and a half month tour of Europe and the British Isles for this coming
summer?"

I only had a two word answer.............."LOOPERS DELIGHT".

I feel very grateful to you all.

Thanks for embracing me the way you all have and for me being such a
relative latecomer
to this community.  Thanks especially to Kim Flint whose work has had a huge
impact
on my life, and who seems to be the only other looper that I've met besides
myself and Mark Sottilaro who has wierdly colored hair...............LOL.

yours,  Rick Walker


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No, only women are allowed to be "persons", as men are, well, Men.
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 > This whole subject of age has awakened my curiosity!
> the arts being often a comodity for many people
> How many of you are lucky enough to live strictly from
> looping, art or music?
> L.a

I produce recordings of music, I perform music (quite often with
loopers), I play instruments on music recordings and live with other
artists, I write articles on music, I write books on music, I teach
about music/music software/music instruments/music business related
topics, I advice people.... Well, the only work I do that has nothing
"strictly" to do with music is producing web sites. But to me it is very
similar; the same balance between harmony and disorder, the constant
searching for "the right false notes", the difficult art of implementing
a gesture for something "well known" and then twist it - not too much -
just enough to show that you know the common ways but choose to do it a
little different. I'm not making any big money, in fact I earn more from
cheap living than  form getting paid.

I'm 47 and each day I look around to see if I will not grow up soon, but
still no sign for a change in that direction ;-) 

Best wishes

Per Boysen
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For those of you who don't parlay the fronsay,
Monzhoor Voit says:

Claude winds from the slaughterhouse quarantined five
years and potatoes underneath looper's delight
duputized in late 1997.

Or something like that...

-t-

--- Claude Voit <c.voit@vtx.ch> wrote:
> Claude viens d'avoir quarante cinq ans et papote sur
> loopers-delight
> depuis l'ete 1997
> 
> Claude Voit
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>>> LOL,   when we started looping the sampling rate was 8 bit and we liked
>> it.
>>> we loved it...........hey hey hey.
>> 
>> And we were THANKFUL, dammit!



and, some o' us still are...

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Our moderator inquired:
Why not have the description explain what the music sounds like, as opposed
to how you create it?
Ummm, could that be because I'm never sure?
Actually, it might be similar to what I did in Santa Cruz (probably) but the
thrust of the program really is going to be the technology, rather than
getting minors to sing along with "Under the Boardwalk" . . .
Probably won't do "Wailing Wall" either . . .
Gary


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This is a good line for during the performance--thanks Claude
Gary

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its like playing music in the grand canyon without the grand canyon (he
couldn't make it)

sorry

Claude



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    I manage to squeek by here in northern Colorado just playing pick-up
gigs, and teaching a small group of students.  I am mostly able to do this
because of the instrument I play (bass players are still the rarest, and
good ones ever rarer), and the fact that I can live without drinking,
drugging, smoking, and going out.  I spend my free time (lots of that)
writing music, practicing, and recently learning as much as I can about
electronic music.

    I have tried using loops on some rock and funk gigs, but when playing
with other musicians monitoring is the biggest problem.  It would be nice if
my looping devices (a Boss RC-20, and now an EDP) had a dedicated "Loop Out"
output, which would just output the loops, and no direct signal.  This way,
if the drummer suddenly gets bass in his monitor he knows it's a loop and
that he has to follow it.

    Every day I feel blessed.  I am trying to make it worth society's while
to support me in my musical endeavors.  Hopefully people are able to connect
with something that I do.

-J
http://www.neoprimitive.net

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The last club gig I played we made $40 and the woman I had help me on
drummachine/airsynth kept all the money (I asked her for my half but she seemed
to ignore that request).  Thursday I'm doing a benefit.  I feel like I spend
$30,000 a year on looping... more if I charged my day rate to all the practice
and setup time.  Good thing it's mostly fun!

Mark Sottilaro



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Get a second EDP and BrotherSync for your loop only output!

C

> It would be nice if
> my looping devices (a Boss RC-20, and now an EDP) had a dedicated "Loop
Out"
> output, which would just output the loops, and no direct signal.


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Jesse, would it work to have a splitter box before your looper, sending one side
to your own amp, and sending the other to the looper with the mix for the loops
set at 100% wet?  (I don't own an EDP, but I assume this is controllable
universally.) Then split the signal coming from the looper too, sending it to
your own rig to mix with the dry, and sending only the wet to everyone else.
You could also click the output to your bandmates on and off this way.

I use a splitter myself so I can have an uncolored dry sound that doesn't go
thru my looping stuff.  Plus, it's a safety device; if the complicated stuff
breaks down at least I can keep making noise!

These examples of folks making all or some part of their living doing music is
highly inspiring!

Daryl Shawn
highhorse@mhorse.com


>     I have tried using loops on some rock and funk gigs, but when playing
> with other musicians monitoring is the biggest problem.  It would be nice if
> my looping devices (a Boss RC-20, and now an EDP) had a dedicated "Loop Out"
> output, which would just output the loops, and no direct signal.  This way,
> if the drummer suddenly gets bass in his monitor he knows it's a loop and
> that he has to follow it.

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Well, live and learn. After listening to the discussion re: the Audity =
(which I REALLY liked), I ended up returning it and exchanging it for an =
Emu XL7 Command Station! 'Course the XL7 costs $350 more than the =
Audity. And the Audity is an extremely capable device for the price =
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note poly, double the arpeggiators, the sequencer, key pads, wild =
trigger configurations, et al). In a nutshell, I liked the Audity so =
much I bought a better Audity. Actually, I like the Emu o/s. It's fairly =
easy to slide into the brilliance of its operation. Good hardcopy =
manuals with the devices, too. Real thick. Been spending too much time =
on the throne with that baby.

I'm still wet behind the ears with its total operation but I'm learning. =
I don't think there can be any excuses for being uncreative with the =
XL7.

Regards, Paul

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Hmm...I see the signal chain you're getting at.  Although, I'm not exactly
sure how to mix the loop from the post-looper Y with the pre-looper direct
signal going to the amp.  In any event, this sounds like it would involve
three A/B/A+B boxes ($$$).  If not using A/B/A+B boxes, wouldn't a bunch of
Y-cables create weird impedence issues (like when you plug two guitars into
hi and lo inputs on a single guitar amp, their volume controls affect the
volume of one another)?

-J

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>
> Jesse, would it work to have a splitter box before your looper, sending
one side
> to your own amp, and sending the other to the looper with the mix for the
loops
> set at 100% wet?  (I don't own an EDP, but I assume this is controllable
> universally.) Then split the signal coming from the looper too, sending it
to
> your own rig to mix with the dry, and sending only the wet to everyone
else.
> You could also click the output to your bandmates on and off this way.
>
> I use a splitter myself so I can have an uncolored dry sound that doesn't
go
> thru my looping stuff.  Plus, it's a safety device; if the complicated
stuff
> breaks down at least I can keep making noise!
>
> These examples of folks making all or some part of their living doing
music is
> highly inspiring!
>
> Daryl Shawn
> highhorse@mhorse.com
>
>
> >     I have tried using loops on some rock and funk gigs, but when
playing
> > with other musicians monitoring is the biggest problem.  It would be
nice if
> > my looping devices (a Boss RC-20, and now an EDP) had a dedicated "Loop
Out"
> > output, which would just output the loops, and no direct signal.  This
way,
> > if the drummer suddenly gets bass in his monitor he knows it's a loop
and
> > that he has to follow it.
>

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What I'm thinking would just involve two A/B boxes, although I've done the same
thing with Y-cables or even a tuner with an extra out...I don't think impedance
comes into play here, at least I've never had any trouble...anyone shed any
light here?  What I usually do, if I'm only using a single amp (and it's not a
nice old Fender with two separate channels that can be both plugged into), is
plug the direct signal into the first input.  Then I put a volume pedal between
the looper out and the second input; this way you can vary the mix of the direct
and wet, although it's not really necessary, you could just plug into the second
input and adjust the output on the looper.  If you have an amp with only a
single input, then I suppose you would need a third A+B, or else a y-cable.

quickly and dirtily,

Daryl Shawn
highhorse@mhorse.com


> Although, I'm not exactly sure how to mix the loop from the post-looper Y with
> the pre-looper direct signal going to the amp.  In any event, this sounds like
> it would involve
> three A/B/A+B boxes ($$$).  If not using A/B/A+B boxes, wouldn't a bunch of
> Y-cables create weird impedence issues (like when you plug two guitars into
> hi and lo inputs on a single guitar amp, their volume controls affect the
> volume of one another)?

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----- Original Message -----
From: Daryl <highhorse@mhorse.com>
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>
> What I'm thinking would just involve two A/B boxes, although I've done the
same
> thing with Y-cables or even a tuner with an extra out...I don't think
impedance
> comes into play here, at least I've never had any trouble...anyone shed
any
> light here?  What I usually do, if I'm only using a single amp (and it's
not a
> nice old Fender with two separate channels that can be both plugged into),
is
> plug the direct signal into the first input.  Then I put a volume pedal
between
> the looper out and the second input; this way you can vary the mix of the
direct
> and wet, although it's not really necessary, you could just plug into the
second
> input and adjust the output on the looper.  If you have an amp with only a
> single input, then I suppose you would need a third A+B, or else a
y-cable.
>
> quickly and dirtily,
>
> Daryl Shawn
> highhorse@mhorse.com
>
>
> > Although, I'm not exactly sure how to mix the loop from the post-looper
Y with
> > the pre-looper direct signal going to the amp.  In any event, this
sounds like
> > it would involve
> > three A/B/A+B boxes ($$$).  If not using A/B/A+B boxes, wouldn't a bunch
of
> > Y-cables create weird impedence issues (like when you plug two guitars
into
> > hi and lo inputs on a single guitar amp, their volume controls affect
the
> > volume of one another)?
>
>

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Call me a luddite, but I hope we can continue to use the main
Loopers-Delight list so the rest of the world is informed about what a rich
and varied looping community we have here in New England.


----- Original Message -----
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> Hi folks,
> After the first Boston Loopfest concluded I closed down the discussion
> list I create for the event.
>
> At the request of others I have set up a public discussion list for
> those who are interested in talking about/participating in/being
> informed of looping events in MA and around New England.
>
> To subscribe send a post to boston-loopers-subscribe@randomsalt.com
>
> regards,
> jeff
>
>
>

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well, at the risk of the easy shot, I think I'm in a loop in my
profession...   in fact, as i drive to work each morning, i regularly see
the same people crossing the road in front of me, or waiting at the same bus
stops...

joking aside - rick, what you've been able to achieve is amazing.
congratulations!

David


----- Original Message -----
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>
> I made some money last year producing and playing on a few records and
> teaching,
> but I am happy to say that it was the first year of my life
> that I could have survived entirely on looping or looping related things.
>
> I made about $30,000 in just loop related gigs and selling my CDs at them
>  which sucks as a salary in the hi tech programming world but seems like a
> miracle
> to me.
>
> I have to thank this community for a lot of the contacts that I have made
> professionally
> and for the really wonderful 'lend a hand' and help out mentality of this
> site.
>
> Talking to another professional musician last night he said, "how the hell
> did you book
> a two and a half month tour of Europe and the British Isles for this
coming
> summer?"
>
> I only had a two word answer.............."LOOPERS DELIGHT".
>
> I feel very grateful to you all.
>
> Thanks for embracing me the way you all have and for me being such a
> relative latecomer
> to this community.  Thanks especially to Kim Flint whose work has had a
huge
> impact
> on my life, and who seems to be the only other looper that I've met
besides
> myself and Mark Sottilaro who has wierdly colored hair...............LOL.
>
> yours,  Rick Walker
>
>

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  A dear friend is actually working on something very similar to this for
me at the moment.  If there's an interest, he's talked about making more of
them.  What we're looking at now, is actually quite basic, and will
probably have a stereo pair of inputs, which would then split, and be
passed through the device, but also be summed to mono before being output
to my echoplex,  whose output, would then be input back into the device, to
be mixed with the stereo pair again.   There will probably be a mix knob as
well.  Basically, it'll just be a lil' tiny box with ins, outs, and a knob,
with the  proper  impedance and  OP amps taken into  account.  Obviously,
the same can be accomplished with a standard mixer, but this is really
quick and easy and LITTLE!   woohoo!   lol!  -if anyone is interested, feel
free to write me off-list, K?   

Smiles,

CQ

At 07:33 PM 2/11/03 -0800, you wrote:
>Hmm...I see the signal chain you're getting at.  Although, I'm not exactly
>sure how to mix the loop from the post-looper Y with the pre-looper direct
>signal going to the amp.  In any event, this sounds like it would involve
>three A/B/A+B boxes ($$$).  If not using A/B/A+B boxes, wouldn't a bunch of
>Y-cables create weird impedence issues (like when you plug two guitars into
>hi and lo inputs on a single guitar amp, their volume controls affect the
>volume of one another)?
>
>-J
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Daryl" <highhorse@mhorse.com>
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>
>
>>
>> Jesse, would it work to have a splitter box before your looper, sending
>one side
>> to your own amp, and sending the other to the looper with the mix for the
>loops
>> set at 100% wet?  (I don't own an EDP, but I assume this is controllable
>> universally.) Then split the signal coming from the looper too, sending it
>to
>> your own rig to mix with the dry, and sending only the wet to everyone
>else.
>> You could also click the output to your bandmates on and off this way.
>>
>> I use a splitter myself so I can have an uncolored dry sound that doesn't
>go
>> thru my looping stuff.  Plus, it's a safety device; if the complicated
>stuff
>> breaks down at least I can keep making noise!
>>
>> These examples of folks making all or some part of their living doing
>music is
>> highly inspiring!
>>
>> Daryl Shawn
>> highhorse@mhorse.com
>>
>>
>> >     I have tried using loops on some rock and funk gigs, but when
>playing
>> > with other musicians monitoring is the biggest problem.  It would be
>nice if
>> > my looping devices (a Boss RC-20, and now an EDP) had a dedicated "Loop
>Out"
>> > output, which would just output the loops, and no direct signal.  This
>way,
>> > if the drummer suddenly gets bass in his monitor he knows it's a loop
>and
>> > that he has to follow it.
>>
>
>


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> For those of you who don't parlay the fronsay,
> Monzhoor Voit says:
> 
> Claude winds from the slaughterhouse quarantined five
> years and potatoes underneath looper's delight
> duputized in late 1997.
> 
> Or something like that...
> 
> -t-
> 
something like that

c

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     I'm half a year and half a decade shy of half a century.  When I put it that way, it sounds
old in the way the world looks at age.  Though these days I seem less and less interested in how
the rest of the world looks at things.

     Looping is one of the many ways I approach the creation of music.  To me it seems like a
foundation to stand upon, or a bed that I can lay my head for a while.  Something I have learned
to trust... like a good friend, or a good cup of tea.

     Stephen


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Last year was probably my best year so far in making money from 
looping. I survived from February until the middle of december purely 
from money that I made from the project. It was not a constant stream 
of cash though, and I often went from richness/poverty within the same 
week :)

Just from paypal donations alone,  I managed about $4,000
CD sales in 2000 were an estimated 1000 ($12,000).... I did not keep an 
accurate record - just burn/sell/burn/sell... During Paris Plage, I was 
able to sell about 50 a day on the street... plus there was a fair 
amount of small coinage that came my way through my 'musical begging'.

As it was a cash economy, and also in fear of the taxman, I did not 
keep any accurate records.

It was a hard life, but I'm going to start it off again at the end of 
March :)
-- 
Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com

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>>The Starr Labs Ztar uses switches--buttons--to represent each fret of the
guitar.  So there's 144 locations--6x24--and with the new software you can
map the crap out of it.  Also available are "strings" or pad type triggers
to actuate the notes (I don't have these) and pads, which can send CCs and
PCh in addition to Note Info--I think you can mix and match up to eight
messages per pad.  There's also a joystick!  And then there's ribbon
controller and breath controller options--he was working on an electronic
whammy bar--and more stuff I just can't even think of.
Harvey's got some pretty high profile clients, but the stuff is pretty
darned whizzy--<<

gah! sounds right up my street! I'm a reasonably able bassist, crap guitarist and rubbish keyboard player, and struggle with all manner of interfaces (analogue sequencers, midi controllers and the like), but the most comfortable experience is a midi'd guitar at the moment. and it's far from ideal. I'm going to have to start saving again.... you could run your entire show without any other controllers or footswitches.....

duncan.


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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&gt;The Starr Labs Ztar uses switches--buttons--to re=
present each fret of the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>guitar.&nbsp; So there's 144 locations--6x24--and with t=
he new software you can</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>map the crap out of it.&nbsp; Also available are &quot;s=
trings&quot; or pad type triggers</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>to actuate the notes (I don't have these) and pads, whic=
h can send CCs and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>PCh in addition to Note Info--I think you can mix and ma=
tch up to eight</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>messages per pad.&nbsp; There's also a joystick!&nbsp; A=
nd then there's ribbon</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>controller and breath controller options--he was working=
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>whammy bar--and more stuff I just can't even think of.</=
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Harvey's got some pretty high profile clients, but the s=
tuff is pretty</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>darned whizzy--&lt;&lt;</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>gah! sounds right up my street! I'm a reasonably able bas=
sist, crap guitarist and rubbish keyboard player, and struggle with all man=
ner of interfaces (analogue sequencers, midi controllers and the like), but=
 the most comfortable experience is a midi'd guitar at the moment. and it's=
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>duncan.</FONT>
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>>Anybody suffering from this symptom yet?<<

must be a few of us, judging by the average age, louie. what are the symptoms? I know, same as regular menopause only iterative..... "groundhog day" was made for us.....

duncan.


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i΄m a musician now for 25 years, and it wasn΄t always easy for me. i did not look for the money, 
i always looked for the music. i had years of travelling around with a sleeping bag and my 
instruments, little money in the pocket but always enough. i can remember only 1 day with
nothing to eat in 15 years of playing on the street. 
4 years ago suddenly i had much money (my father died) and i spent everything for instruments,
gear, studio and a van (built 1966!) to live in. the last 2 years i lived together with a woman
with 2 children, but had no time for music. now i΄m free again. women come and go, but 
music stays and i will get old with music. 
since january i live alone again with about 150 euro in my pocket (about the same in dollar),
i finish my cd now, and that will be my next money (i shouldn΄t hang around on loopers delight
so much time instead of recording!!), and i have enough diesel to drive to my gigs in march. 
many other people in my situation would look for  a job now, but i want to do it with music.
and i would always do it again like this! i talked with so many people who played music some 
years ago....
check my web-site www.ocarina-sounds.de in march or april, there will be a looping-gig video, 
mp3-s and information about my cd (that was the spam part of this mail).
live is a loop, but only the chanching loops are the good ones!
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>...
>...is there some other way of
> accomplishing this in the sus record mode.   I'll hopefully 
>...

maybe i'm missing something, but what about mute?

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[David:]

>Call me a luddite, but I hope we can continue to use the main
>Loopers-Delight list so the rest of the world is informed about
what a rich
>and varied looping community we have here in New England.

I shall not call you a luddite--i've seen you perform!
 
Yes, i can understand this thinking. But there are  
some folks who choose NOT to be on Loopers-Delight 
(maybe because of the number of messages, or they 
only have e-mail at work, etc.) who would like to be 
in on the local looping community in the Boston area. 
I can think of a few. 
 
Having a list like this allows us to cross-post  
messages that may be of interest to the global looping 
community while keeping the bandwidth down about the 
nitty gritty details of organizing this local community 
and its events. Bogging down L-D with such talk could 
discourage others from remaining subscribed to this 
great list.  
 
Does this make sense? Is there a better way? 
 
-peter 
 


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At different points I've unsubed due to high volume of messages (many 
off topic and inappropriate) and limited time, but I always come back. 
I have learned to limit my posts, the posts I fully read and the posts 
I respond to.  Makes it a lot easier.

Mark Sottilaro

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Hi all,

I have an interesting puzzle. This might seem a little off topic
but my music falls solidly in the loop category so I hope no one
will take particular offense.

My CD, "Flux Aeterna," has been out for 18 month now. It's gotten
some pretty good press (which I have shared with you from time 
to time). Many of you have said nice things about it too -- for
which I am very grateful.

I even did a little advertising in Guitar Player magazine back in June
of 2002, which resulted in a little "bump" in sales and MP3 play and 
download activity -- respectable but nothing grand. It was an 
experiment to see what would happen. 
 
Now . . . suddenly without having done anything with it or about it
in a long time I am experiencing a phenomenal (for me) rise in
MP3 activity that I am finding more than a little bit baffling. 

In the first 2 weeks of February (actually only 12 days) there have 
been 627 plays/downloads of "Flux" tracks from my page. This 
may not seem like a lot to a few of you. But to some, who like 
myself view themselves as pretty "small potatoes" (and darn
near unmarketable in most respects) this is huge. It was played
or downloaded 247 times in one day alone!!!

I can't quite get my head around why this might be. Is any body
else experiencing anything similar? Could it have something to do
with any of the changes taking place at MP3.com? I know some 
of you also have pages up there too. Do you have any ideas?

Again, sorry if this is viewed as being too terribly off topic. My
music is built around my use of EDPs, guitars and samplers (and
occasionally the computer). Who knows? An answer, if there is
one, may be useful, or at least instructive, to all of us.

Best,

tEd � kiLLiAn

ArsOcarina@aol.com
http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian
http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake

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read The Tipping Point  by Malcolm Goldstein.  If it's an anomoly
(spelling?)  I'll be anxious for the detective reports...

congratulations, Ted

todd



On 2/12/03 11:54 AM, "ArsOcarina@aol.com" <ArsOcarina@aol.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I have an interesting puzzle. This might seem a little off topic
> but my music falls solidly in the loop category so I hope no one
> will take particular offense.
> 
> My CD, "Flux Aeterna," has been out for 18 month now. It's gotten
> some pretty good press (which I have shared with you from time
> to time). Many of you have said nice things about it too -- for
> which I am very grateful.
> 
> I even did a little advertising in Guitar Player magazine back in June
> of 2002, which resulted in a little "bump" in sales and MP3 play and
> download activity -- respectable but nothing grand. It was an
> experiment to see what would happen.
> 
> Now . . . suddenly without having done anything with it or about it
> in a long time I am experiencing a phenomenal (for me) rise in
> MP3 activity that I am finding more than a little bit baffling.
> 
> In the first 2 weeks of February (actually only 12 days) there have
> been 627 plays/downloads of "Flux" tracks from my page. This
> may not seem like a lot to a few of you. But to some, who like
> myself view themselves as pretty "small potatoes" (and darn
> near unmarketable in most respects) this is huge. It was played
> or downloaded 247 times in one day alone!!!
> 
> I can't quite get my head around why this might be. Is any body
> else experiencing anything similar? Could it have something to do
> with any of the changes taking place at MP3.com? I know some
> of you also have pages up there too. Do you have any ideas?
> 
> Again, sorry if this is viewed as being too terribly off topic. My
> music is built around my use of EDPs, guitars and samplers (and
> occasionally the computer). Who knows? An answer, if there is
> one, may be useful, or at least instructive, to all of us.
> 
> Best,
> 
> tEd � kiLLiAn
> 
> ArsOcarina@aol.com
> http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian
> http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
> http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake
> 

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--- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote:
> >>Anybody suffering from this symptom yet?<<
> 
> must be a few of us, judging by the average age,
> louie. what are the symptoms? I know, same as
> regular menopause only iterative..... "groundhog
> day" was made for us.....
> 
> duncan.

Some of the loopmenopause symptoms might be:
I am looping to much instead of practicing scales,
i am getting too old for this shit,
My looper has been discontinued what am i going to do
when it breaks down?
Is being a looper a true composer?
My wife find this looping deal obnoxious although my
kids love it,does she still love me?
What the hell is it that i am playing? am i mentally
ill?
I am spending too much time in my room creating
something which will be gone when i turn my gear
off...
Please feel free to add more symptoms to the list
perhaps we can come up with a loop therapist?:-))
loop on!
L.a


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<snip>
The Starr Labs Ztar uses switches--buttons--to represent each fret of the
guitar.
<snip>

.... you could run your entire show without any other controllers or
footswitches.....
Duncan.

Well, maybe--I do find that using the pads is the best way for me to control
the EDP--Except for sometimes--I never have completely eliminated the
Echoplex footswitch, although it is pretty doable to have just the record
and overdub single footswitches hooked up.  Also, if you've got a PMC-10,
there's just no replacing that thing!  There's so much you can do that is
difficult to do with another controller--and of course, if you're playing a
stringed instrument, it's nice to not have to use your hands to control the
other stuff.  My Ztar is a double neck, but it's hard to end a phrase on
"real" guitar with a tap on the pads of the "MIDI" guitar--easier to use a
footpedal.
BTW Harvey also makes bass models--Billy Sheehan had him build one.  He's
got some other weird shit too--MIDI harp?!?  But the best news is the ZPC
OS--there IS a motherboard in this thing.  The new software is very
accommodating.
Gary


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Hello LD,
looking for some advice in the realm of the EDP world.  I just sold my 
BOOMERANG and DL4 to get a EDP.  What are the advantages/disadvantages of 
the new plus model veresus the beige gibson model, beside the fact that the 
new plus has the LOOP IV installed?  How much is the LOOP IV software if i 
bought the beige model?  It really is a drag that they went to all that 
trouble and didn't make the upgrade to stereo, now that would have been an 
attractive deal!!  You know Gibson just knew that idiots like me would just 
buy anyway, sly marketing team huh.
thanks
matt





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Is it finally time for an announcements list?


I don't mind at all the high list traffic, but a side effect is I often let
a thousand messages go unread! (seriously) (but not discarded, man you
oughta see my LD archive folder :)

But I do enjoy seeing gig spam from all areas, I find it 'encouraging' on
many levels, and I've been pleased to actually catch a few performances here
in <my area>  But it is easy to miss these occasional geographically
relevent messages when you're not tracking the list daily.

I'd like to see a self-moderated but designated LD "looper event
announcements" list. Perhaps any one else who feels that way could donate $5
to the LD paypal fund? (ballot stuffing anyone?)  Check out the PayPal logo
on the right of the LD site:  http://www.loopers-delight.com (I think you
can leave a comment when you donate)

Kim has understandably not been keen on splitting the community, so perhaps
this isn't the best idea, but its a great excuse to give blood!  :)


Bob Campbell
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Hi fellows,
I miss the Roland Gr 09 because i could play cheap
drums with my guitar and loop them but the GR 33 which
i now have is quite limited with percussion.Somebody
suggested long ago i get the mossfet and hook it up to
the GR33 so i could trigger drum sounds, although i am
not certain the tracking would function as well.I know
there has been discussions on this here in the past
but could you give out some suggestions? Being partly
a percussionist i would also be interested in the best
midi guitars to accomplish this.
Thanx
L.a

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Per, this is very inspiring and gives me hope even
though i ll never be financially secure or get a
retirement check!
cheers brother
L.a
--- Per Boysen <per@boysen.se> wrote:
>  > This whole subject of age has awakened my
> curiosity!
> > the arts being often a comodity for many people
> > How many of you are lucky enough to live strictly
> from
> > looping, art or music?
> > L.a
> 
> I produce recordings of music, I perform music
> (quite often with
> loopers), I play instruments on music recordings and
> live with other
> artists, I write articles on music, I write books on
> music, I teach
> about music/music software/music instruments/music
> business related
> topics, I advice people.... Well, the only work I do
> that has nothing
> "strictly" to do with music is producing web sites.
> But to me it is very
> similar; the same balance between harmony and
> disorder, the constant
> searching for "the right false notes", the difficult
> art of implementing
> a gesture for something "well known" and then twist
> it - not too much -
> just enough to show that you know the common ways
> but choose to do it a
> little different. I'm not making any big money, in
> fact I earn more from
> cheap living than  form getting paid.
> 
> I'm 47 and each day I look around to see if I will
> not grow up soon, but
> still no sign for a change in that direction ;-) 
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Per Boysen
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> www.looproom.com --> 1st Swedish Looping Festival
> 


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I make my living scoring a cartoon for Nickelodeon/CBS.  It's been an
interesting trip -- the money is more than I ever dreamed of making, but as
the cartoon is a hit, there are side projects developing that I can't say no
to -- so it makes a lot of demands on my time and consciousness.
The way I hold this in my head is, I can support myself (and save for the
future) by doing this or similar jobs, and use it to support my art music --
in which looping plays a big part.
It's working pretty well, except for the days when I work so many hours
writing TV music that I can't imagine spending any more time that day on
music.
I really have to discipline myself to schedule concerts and keep it up, as
much as I love the music I'm developing with raga/looping/whatever.
And from here, rick walker's life looks pretty good . . . congratulations!
The financial rewards may not be way  up there according to our contemporary
cultural standards, but I really admire the way you've structured your life
so that you are spending lots and lots of time doing what you love . . .
(by the way, I hope no one takes this as complaining -- I'm exceedingly
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the models are the same, save for cosmetics.  loop4 is 100 bucks from
aurisis.

need stereo?  do what i did and buy two!

-jim


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--- jimfowler <jimfowler@prodigy.net> wrote:
> the models are the same, save for cosmetics. 

Not exactly. They changed the board layout to reduce RF emissions so it would
pass a CE certification. This may also give it better induced noise immunity (one
of you involved, does it?).

Greg

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Thanks for responding, Peter.  I think you summed it up well.


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could someone expound further on this detail?
matt


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>--- jimfowler <jimfowler@prodigy.net> wrote:
> > the models are the same, save for cosmetics.
>
>Not exactly. They changed the board layout to reduce RF emissions so it 
>would
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>of you involved, does it?).
>
>Greg
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   Is the new "black face" EDP in stereo? I assumed that was one of the upgrades.


                            James

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No.

Mark

on 2/12/03 10:12 AM, Jhsidlo@aol.com at Jhsidlo@aol.com wrote:

>  Is the new "black face" EDP in stereo? I assumed that was one of the
> upgrades.
> 
> 
>                           James
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> 

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Bad assumption ... it's not stereo.

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>    Is the new "black face" EDP in stereo? I assumed that was one of the
upgrades.
>
>
>                             James


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CE approval means it can be sold legally in Europe. That's good news if you 
live in Europe, since it will be much easier to buy one. If you don't live 
in Europe you probably won't care very much.

Nobody has yet done any comparison measurements to see if the changes for 
CE also resulted in audio improvements over the old ones. My guess is the 
SNR is better as a result of the circuit layout improvements, but I haven't 
been able to check that yet. The guys making them did some listening tests 
and felt the new ones indeed had a lower noise floor. nobody knows by how 
much though.

The main difference is the new EDP+ comes with LoopIV installed. And it is 
BLACK.

kim

At 09:44 AM 2/12/2003, Matthew Wiley wrote:
>could someone expound further on this detail?
>matt
>
>>From: Greg House <ghunicycle@yahoo.com>
>>
>>--- jimfowler <jimfowler@prodigy.net> wrote:
>> > the models are the same, save for cosmetics.
>>
>>Not exactly. They changed the board layout to reduce RF emissions so it would
>>pass a CE certification. This may also give it better induced noise 
>>immunity (one of you involved, does it?).
>
>______________________________________________________________________
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Hi everyone,
I've been off-list for a while as it dumped me out a couple of months
ago. I've been really busy getting the new Echoplex into full production
but this is running smoothly now so I had a spare few minutes to
re-subscribe.
Anyway, here is the definitive list of changes from BEIGEFACE to
BLACKFACE:-

1. PCB now 4-layer design from 2-layer. This was to separate voltage
supplies and allow for larger ground-planes.
2. The two 16MHz crystals are now the highest possible specification to
ensure very tight tolerance between them. This is to minimise boot-up
problems and ensure correct syncing between two or more EDPs.
3. CPU and audio CODEC are now under tin-plated brass screening cans to
minimise RF emissions, (bring them down to CE-approval levels).
4. PCB now has 9 separate grounding/fixing points to the chassis.
Beigeface has 5 fixing points to the chassis, only one of these was a
ground point.
5. The mains input socket is now a large screened filtered inlet. This
was a CE requirement to give the unit better immunity to noise from the
mains supply and to stop RF getting back out of the unit down the supply
cable.
6. 50 very high quality capacitors have been added to all of the input &
output sockets to ensure that high frequency harmonics are not sent out
of the unit, (again, this was to bring them down to CE-approval levels).
These do not work down to anywhere near the audio frequency spectrum, so
do not interfere with audio quality.
7. Voltage regulators have been re-positioned to correctly seat the 5V
switchmode regulator which was an earlier retro-fit modification.
8. 4 x 4MB SIMMs have been manufactured new in the USA to our exact
specifications. This is to avoid problems with dirty contacts on some
re-furbished memory and to eliminate the problem we had with some memory
having a high capacitance resulting in noise being introduced in loops.
The SIMMs are now of the 3-chip design as they have proved more reliable
than 9-chip parts, (fewer chips = lower capacitance and less components
to fail).
9. Loop4 software fitted as standard.
10. Front panel thickness increased to 2.5mm to strengthen the
rack-mount ears. This allows for better unsupported suspension in a rack
or flight case.
11. Front panel now powder-coated black to distinguish the CE version
from the non-CE version.
12. All switch caps changed from square black to round ivory. This was
primarily a cosmetic change to integrate with the new black front panel
but also to reduce production costs. Those square black ones are $0.39
each, which is ridiculous for that amount of plastic!
13. Front and rear-panel artwork totally re-deigned by me with Kim's
help, mainly due to rear sockets being moved for the extra grounding
points, but also to make the front more aesthetic. 
14. New packaging design to remove all polystyrene materials, (doing our
bit for the planet). The new box is similar in size to the original, but
now incorporates the EDP Footcontroller, which is supplied as standard.
(The new EDP will, I think, be available without the Footcontroller as a
special purchase at a reduced price. I'll check with Clive @ Gibson and
confirm this).
15. New, totally re-written by Kim, 310 page fully-comprehensive manual
supplied as standard. This has been a serious amount of work for Kim and
over double the size of the previous Gibson-written manual. I'm sure
this will be much appreciated by users.
This new manual has also cost over $10 each to produce and we had many,
sometimes heated discussions as to whether it went in at all in this
format. It was suggested that a quick-start printed guide was supplied,
with the main manual being supplied on CD ROM. In my opinion, this would
have not been welcomed by all, especially those without access to
computers or those who would have seriously begrudged printing their
own. At 310 pages I could envisage getting bills sent to me for
replacement printers. Anyway, I won the battle and the manual is
supplied printed in its entirety. I'd be interested in knowing anyone's
opinion on this now we've settled it.

The Echoplex was not re-designed this time to make it stereo, as the
budget and timescales were simply not available. These modifications
were purely to get it passed the very strict CE testing so it can be
sold legally in Europe. However, as a consequence of these changes, the
new model does seem to have slightly better audio specifications.
Matthias and I are working on some accurate measurements for both old
and new models and I will post these when they are available.
 
There is no reason not to buy one of the few Beigeface models left out
there as the two units perform almost identically. The audio spec &
reliability of the Beigeface was already very high as many engineers &
users have testified to.

There are many other minor improvements, slight engineering changes,
quality control procedures and extra testing etc. but I won't bore
everyone further.

200 boxed units have so far been delivered to Gibson with a further 200
imminent and 100/month after that. We can ramp up supply if the market
demands it and the upcoming Frankfurt Music Show will give us an idea of
how many EDPs the European dealers want.

If anyone has any other questions, please feel free to either post them
if you think they are relevant, or send them to me personally.

Andy Ewen,
Echoplex Production Manager.


  


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could someone expound further on this detail?
matt


>From: Greg House <ghunicycle@yahoo.com>
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>Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 09:40:55 -0800 (PST)
>
>--- jimfowler <jimfowler@prodigy.net> wrote:
> > the models are the same, save for cosmetics.
>
>Not exactly. They changed the board layout to reduce RF emissions so it

>would
>pass a CE certification. This may also give it better induced noise 
>immunity (one
>of you involved, does it?).
>
>Greg
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"Not exactly. They changed the board layout..."

i sit corrected.

-jim


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Perhaps a special addition could be made using this surface technology:

http://www.npl.co.uk/optical_radiation/superblack.html

Mark

Kim Flint wrote:

>
>
> The main difference is the new EDP+ comes with LoopIV installed. And it is
> BLACK.

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I found the recent Roland GR series to be bad in general with sounds,
especially percussion sounds.  Using the GR-30 to control a Roland
XV-5050 and a Korg MS2000R has made a *huge* difference in my quality
and verity of sonic pallet.  Each is profoundly different, and do
different things better.  My only issue with the MS2000 is that it
causes you to have to set the pitch bend of the GR 30 to 12 for it to
track correctly.  I'd probably be much better off with the Yamaha MIDI
converter, as I don't really use the GR-30 for anything other than a
MIDI converter.

Mark Sottilaro

Louie Angulo wrote:

> Hi fellows,
> I miss the Roland Gr 09 because i could play cheap
> drums with my guitar and loop them but the GR 33 which
> i now have is quite limited with percussion.

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While I do obviously do a lot of looping, I wouldn't class my profession as
being a looper... a musician who uses looping, yes, but I'm no more a looper
than I am an amplified musician or a processed musician, in that sense...

Still, I do make my living from music, and do a lot of looping, so make of
that what you will...

BTW, it's nice to be home, and resubbed to the list - thanks to all of you
who came out to see the various gigs on the tour, especially Kim and Scott
Drengsen who both came to at least two...

see y'all soon,

Steve
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Hello,

New music found!
Egberto Gismonti- Solo

Best played while:  Wearing a dashiki or some natural fibres, perhaps 
reading the further works Kant.

What it sounds like:  How it would feel to be wearing alpaca 
undergarments.




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Hi Mark,
I did see Adrian Belew drumming on his guitar using
the GR01 and it sounded great.I don't know but i think
he and fripp arent really expanding the Rolands with
xtra sound modules right?
L.a
--- sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:
> I found the recent Roland GR series to be bad in
> general with sounds,
> especially percussion sounds.  Using the GR-30 to
> control a Roland
> XV-5050 and a Korg MS2000R has made a *huge*
> difference in my quality
> and verity of sonic pallet.  Each is profoundly
> different, and do
> different things better.  My only issue with the
> MS2000 is that it
> causes you to have to set the pitch bend of the GR
> 30 to 12 for it to
> track correctly.  I'd probably be much better off
> with the Yamaha MIDI
> converter, as I don't really use the GR-30 for
> anything other than a
> MIDI converter.
> 
> Mark Sottilaro
> 
> Louie Angulo wrote:
> 
> > Hi fellows,
> > I miss the Roland Gr 09 because i could play cheap
> > drums with my guitar and loop them but the GR 33
> which
> > i now have is quite limited with percussion.
> 


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"...suitable for use anywhere between cryogenic and elevated room
temperatures. "

Ha!  Sounds like a natural for a lot of my gigs!

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> Perhaps a special addition could be made using this surface technology:
>
> http://www.npl.co.uk/optical_radiation/superblack.html
>
> Mark
>
> Kim Flint wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > The main difference is the new EDP+ comes with LoopIV installed. And it
is
> > BLACK.
>
>

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Andy Ewen wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> I've been off-list for a while as it dumped me out a couple of months
> ago. I've been really busy getting the new Echoplex into full production
> but this is running smoothly now so I had a spare few minutes to
> re-subscribe.
> Anyway, here is the definitive list of changes from BEIGEFACE to
> BLACKFACE:-
>
> 1. PCB now 4-layer design from 2-layer. This was to separate voltage
> supplies and allow for larger ground-planes.
> 2. The two 16MHz crystals are now the highest possible specification to
> ensure very tight tolerance between them. This is to minimise boot-up
> problems and ensure correct syncing between two or more EDPs.
> 3. CPU and audio CODEC are now under tin-plated brass screening cans to
> minimise RF emissions, (bring them down to CE-approval levels).
> 4. PCB now has 9 separate grounding/fixing points to the chassis.
> Beigeface has 5 fixing points to the chassis, only one of these was a
> ground point.
> 5. The mains input socket is now a large screened filtered inlet. This
> was a CE requirement to give the unit better immunity to noise from the
> mains supply and to stop RF getting back out of the unit down the supply
> cable.
> 6. 50 very high quality capacitors have been added to all of the input &
> output sockets to ensure that high frequency harmonics are not sent out
> of the unit, (again, this was to bring them down to CE-approval levels).
> These do not work down to anywhere near the audio frequency spectrum, so
> do not interfere with audio quality.
> 7. Voltage regulators have been re-positioned to correctly seat the 5V
> switchmode regulator which was an earlier retro-fit modification.
> 8. 4 x 4MB SIMMs have been manufactured new in the USA to our exact
> specifications. This is to avoid problems with dirty contacts on some
> re-furbished memory and to eliminate the problem we had with some memory
> having a high capacitance resulting in noise being introduced in loops.
> The SIMMs are now of the 3-chip design as they have proved more reliable
> than 9-chip parts, (fewer chips = lower capacitance and less components
> to fail).
> 9. Loop4 software fitted as standard.
> 10. Front panel thickness increased to 2.5mm to strengthen the
> rack-mount ears. This allows for better unsupported suspension in a rack
> or flight case.
> 11. Front panel now powder-coated black to distinguish the CE version
> from the non-CE version.
> 12. All switch caps changed from square black to round ivory. This was
> primarily a cosmetic change to integrate with the new black front panel
> but also to reduce production costs. Those square black ones are $0.39
> each, which is ridiculous for that amount of plastic!
> 13. Front and rear-panel artwork totally re-deigned by me with Kim's
> help, mainly due to rear sockets being moved for the extra grounding
> points, but also to make the front more aesthetic.
> 14. New packaging design to remove all polystyrene materials, (doing our
> bit for the planet). The new box is similar in size to the original, but
> now incorporates the EDP Footcontroller, which is supplied as standard.
> (The new EDP will, I think, be available without the Footcontroller as a
> special purchase at a reduced price. I'll check with Clive @ Gibson and
> confirm this).
> 15. New, totally re-written by Kim, 310 page fully-comprehensive manual
> supplied as standard. This has been a serious amount of work for Kim and
> over double the size of the previous Gibson-written manual. I'm sure
> this will be much appreciated by users.
> This new manual has also cost over $10 each to produce and we had many,
> sometimes heated discussions as to whether it went in at all in this
> format. It was suggested that a quick-start printed guide was supplied,
> with the main manual being supplied on CD ROM. In my opinion, this would
> have not been welcomed by all, especially those without access to
> computers or those who would have seriously begrudged printing their
> own. At 310 pages I could envisage getting bills sent to me for
> replacement printers. Anyway, I won the battle and the manual is
> supplied printed in its entirety. I'd be interested in knowing anyone's
> opinion on this now we've settled it.
>
> The Echoplex was not re-designed this time to make it stereo, as the
> budget and timescales were simply not available. These modifications
> were purely to get it passed the very strict CE testing so it can be
> sold legally in Europe. However, as a consequence of these changes, the
> new model does seem to have slightly better audio specifications.
> Matthias and I are working on some accurate measurements for both old
> and new models and I will post these when they are available.
>
> There is no reason not to buy one of the few Beigeface models left out
> there as the two units perform almost identically. The audio spec &
> reliability of the Beigeface was already very high as many engineers &
> users have testified to.
>
> There are many other minor improvements, slight engineering changes,
> quality control procedures and extra testing etc. but I won't bore
> everyone further.
>
> 200 boxed units have so far been delivered to Gibson with a further 200
> imminent and 100/month after that. We can ramp up supply if the market
> demands it and the upcoming Frankfurt Music Show will give us an idea of
> how many EDPs the European dealers want.
>
> If anyone has any other questions, please feel free to either post them
> if you think they are relevant, or send them to me personally.
>
> Andy Ewen,
> Echoplex Production Manager.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew Wiley [mailto:matthewf5@hotmail.com]
> Sent: 12 February 2003 17:44
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: EDP BLACKFACE/BEIGEFACE
>
> could someone expound further on this detail?
> matt
>
> >From: Greg House <ghunicycle@yahoo.com>
> >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >Subject: Re: EDP BLACKFACE/BEIGEFACE
> >Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 09:40:55 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >--- jimfowler <jimfowler@prodigy.net> wrote:
> > > the models are the same, save for cosmetics.
> >
> >Not exactly. They changed the board layout to reduce RF emissions so it
>
> >would
> >pass a CE certification. This may also give it better induced noise
> >immunity (one
> >of you involved, does it?).
> >
> >Greg
> >
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So the new black EDP comes with the footpedal included?  Cool!

Will the new black EDP be reviewed in any of the major music magazines any
time soon?

Thanks,
John
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Just thought I'd mention that the Looper Construction Kit is mentioned in
the February issue of Electronic Musician (in the new products section).
Definitely a looper friendly mag!

Loop on!

Dennis Leas
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>>--- Tom Ritchford <tom@swirly.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  When I first started sampling...
>>>  [clicks dentures together and wheezes]
>>>  we were sampling on a PDP-11!
>>>
>>>  It had 64MB of memory and a 20MB removable disk
>>>  where the disk driver was the size of a washing machine!
>>
>>If it was the same disk drive I used on the old PDP at my school, it was only
>>12MB. Had a disk pack that was about 2" tall that snapped into place with a
>>handle on the top. The product name escapes my feeble memory.
>
>hmm, I was PRETTY sure it was 20MB.  it was an RLX something-or-other.

Sounds like the RL-02, listed as 10Mb here:

http://zane.brouhaha.com/healyzh/rl02.html

My first first-hand computer music experience was with a PDP-8 at 
OMSI, which had been programmed to execute loops of machine language 
that were timed to take as long as one cycle of various musical 
pitches. You could run these meaningless programs and hold an AM 
radio up to the side of the rack; the interference would play a 
little tune. It was so fascinating we'd do it over and over, does 
that count as looping?


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cograts dennis! well done.

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> Just thought I'd mention that the Looper Construction Kit is mentioned in
> the February issue of Electronic Musician (in the new products section).
> Definitely a looper friendly mag!
> 
> Loop on!
> 
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No, I do not think they are using any additional modules, but they're
for sure not using a GR01 any more.  Adrain uses a Roland Handsonic for
drum sounds live with King Crimson.  I think the last time I saw them
they were both using GR30s.  I just think the GR30 and 33 are not all
that good.  Now, if they used the VX series sound engine in the GR3X
series, I think that would rock.  It's essentially what I'm doing.

On the other hand, I'm *loving* the sounds of the Korg MS2000.  I have
not a/b'd it to a true analog synth, but damn this sounds good enough
for me.  It's been a long time since I've owned a DW8000, but I'm happy
with the MS2000's versions of it's waveforms.  Very organic sounding.
Filters have that nice "quack" to them.  Very warm, but also nice and
crunchy... like steping on a duck on very dry frozen snow...  Plus,
unlike all these "romplers" we're speaking of, this thing's got knobs to
spare and tons of tweakability.

Mark Sottilaro

Louie Angulo wrote:

> Hi Mark,
> I did see Adrian Belew drumming on his guitar using
> the GR01 and it sounded great.I don't know but i think
> he and fripp arent really expanding the Rolands with
> xtra sound modules right?
> L.a

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>In the first 2 weeks of February (actually only 12 days) there have
>been 627 plays/downloads of "Flux" tracks from my page. This
>may not seem like a lot to a few of you. But to some, who like
>myself view themselves as pretty "small potatoes" (and darn
>near unmarketable in most respects) this is huge. It was played
>or downloaded 247 times in one day alone!!!

hmmm... I did a reverse search on google.com for your
pages and I found NO links to them -- wonder if google
is quite right there -- it's a useful tool.

also, does mp3.com have a referrers log so that you can
see where the hits are coming from??

     /t
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http://extremeNY.com/calendar .................................. the calendar.
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tom,

In a message dated 2/12/03 4:07:25 PM, tom@swirly.com writes:

>hmmm... I did a reverse search on google.com for your
>pages and I found NO links to them -- wonder if google
>is quite right there -- it's a useful tool.

Yeah, for some reason my MP3.com page doesn't show 
up on Google searches. But a variety of reviews and the 
label website itself show up a lot if you type in "Ted 
Killian Flux Aeterna" -- plus even some old LD message
archives.

tEd � kiLLiAn

ArsOcarina@aol.com
http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian
http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake

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I found this insteresting for LD, so I copy it... Didnt we recently 
talk about the Alaska looping scene?

>I have been using the gnx3 for live looping.  I am starting to
>interface with it well enough to move from song to song without
>stopping.  Starting a theme, adding layers, beats pounded out
>on my guitar, removing layers,  changing theme, etc..

amazing!

>my music has been fairly pop (www.benlinford.com), but now my
>goal is to play off the mass appeal and understanding of the
>pop format while still performing all live all the elements
>including arrangement and composition.
>
>So do you use the sliders to fade between mixes, effects,
>parts, what?

I curently use
- Feedback of the EDP
- mix clean-distorted
- 2 parameters for the PCM80
- Reverb Time / Volume of the PCM90
- dry Volume

>Can you build sets of loops with LOOP in
>difference chord progressions and switch back and forth like
>parts A and B/verse and chorus of a song.

I personally dont do this, because my music is not "structured" :-)
but on a EDP or Repeater or Roland RC20 you can

>Could you set up sliders to smooth the transitions?

not that I know, unless you have the several parts on separate tracks 
of the Repeater, which you probably could do on the gnx3, too, no?

>I do know loopersdelight.

hmm... but you dont like it? :-)

>Thank you for responding.  Would you ever consider coming up to
>Alaska to do some shows?

Does not seem to be on the way from Brasil to Europe, but if someone 
cares for the trip, sure!


>~Ben
>
>
>____________________________________
>
>
>      would you hear me, if I said,
>      or would you hear me, lord, if I bled . . .
>
>
>
>
>
>---- On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Matthias Grob (matthias@grob.org)
>wrote:
>
>>  >Matthias,
>>  >
>>  >I have been reading about you and the Gibson
>>  >echoplex.  I have not got one yet, but I
>>  >think it will be my next purchase.
>>  >
>>  >I recently bought a DigiTech GNX3. It has
>>  >an 8 track recorder built in to it and some
>>  >basic looping capabilities.  I am really
>>  >getting in to it and finding that I am not
>>  >satisfied with its limitations.  The cool
>>  >thing is that it takes flash media cards so
>>  >you can interface with your computer and
>>  >quickly expand memory up to 128MB (25 min of
>>  >cd quality recording).  You should check it
>>  >out if you haven't already.
>>
>>  I am totally into live looping. I did not repeat any music in
>20 years!
>>
>>  >Do you know if they are going to majorly
>>  >update or release a new version of the
>>  >echoplex in terms of hardware any time soon?
>>
>>  no, not too soon
>>
>>  >Looks like an awsome piece of equipment, I
>>  >can't wait to get my hands on one.
>>  >
>>  >I have some looping technology ideas myself.
>>  >  Maybe the echoplex already does them.  Any
>>  >tips on how to get them developed.
>>
>>  well, we can talk about it when the next upgrade comes in
>sight...
>>
>>  >Also I am very interested to hear more about the sliders on
>the
>>  >floor you use
>>
>>  up to now I used Penny+Giles the most expensif on the market,
>and I
>>  really did not have a problem with them in 15 years.
>>  but I want smaller leighter and cheaper ones and more of
>them, toe
>>  operated, so they can be close together.
>>
>>  >Congradulations on all your accomplishments.
>>
>>  thank you!
>>
>>  >
>>  >~Ben Linford
>>
>  >   do you know loopers-delight.com?

-- 


          ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org

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Is the "EDP BLACKFACE" permitted in Virginia, where "The Jazz Singer" is
still forbidden viewing?

S.P. Goodman
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Are yo happy the way is tracking (specially doing note
bending) using the GK converter then?



--- sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:
> No, I do not think they are using any additional
> modules, but they're
> for sure not using a GR01 any more.  Adrain uses a
> Roland Handsonic for
> drum sounds live with King Crimson.  I think the
> last time I saw them
> they were both using GR30s.  I just think the GR30
> and 33 are not all
> that good.  Now, if they used the VX series sound
> engine in the GR3X
> series, I think that would rock.  It's essentially
> what I'm doing.
> 
> On the other hand, I'm *loving* the sounds of the
> Korg MS2000.  I have
> not a/b'd it to a true analog synth, but damn this
> sounds good enough
> for me.  It's been a long time since I've owned a
> DW8000, but I'm happy
> with the MS2000's versions of it's waveforms.  Very
> organic sounding.
> Filters have that nice "quack" to them.  Very warm,
> but also nice and
> crunchy... like steping on a duck on very dry frozen
> snow...  Plus,
> unlike all these "romplers" we're speaking of, this
> thing's got knobs to
> spare and tons of tweakability.
> 
> Mark Sottilaro
> 
> Louie Angulo wrote:
> 
> > Hi Mark,
> > I did see Adrian Belew drumming on his guitar
> using
> > the GR01 and it sounded great.I don't know but i
> think
> > he and fripp arent really expanding the Rolands
> with
> > xtra sound modules right?
> > L.a
> 


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In a message dated 2/12/03 12:37:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
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> I make my living scoring a cartoon for Nickelodeon/CBS.  

steve.....what cartoon?.....my #1 grandson, MILES and i are big nick 
fans.....i love cartoon music.....michael

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Hey strangers!  It's been a long time since i was on this list... i
drifted away from looping for a while. But i'm back at it again. :} 

I found something cool for the Vortex that hasn't been mentioned on the
list, i don't think... the MoogerFooger expression pedal for the new Big
Briar Moog stuff works great as a Vortex expression pedal.  I picked one
up new for $35 at a local shop.  It sweeps perfectly 01-64, and has a
firmer feel than the Roland/Boss pedal.  Sure, it's cheap plastic, but
aren't they all?  I'm sure it'd work well for any other expression pedal
use, too. I'll probably try hacking mine to make it work with my old
DeltaLab Echotron as a feedback control. 

More equipment geeking, since y'all can appreciate it... my newly
rebuilt looping rig consists of my Lexicon Vortex in mono to a DeltaLab
Echotron, out to a Trace-Elliot Velocette amp. The front end is a Gibson
Blueshawk into a Prescription Electronics Germ, Rat, volume pedal, MXR
Flanger, and a no-name analog echo. 

This system represents me accepting the nature of my instrument. For
years, i believed that high fidelity was the way to guitar nirvana. Hum,
noise, and poor frequency response were my enemies. I struggled with
sterile stacked-humbucking pickups on Stratocasters, HUSH pedals that
squashed my tone, and clumsy stereo amplification. Then my tone would
suck, and i'd go find solace in unamplified acoustic music. 

Obviously, my current setup is NOT hi-fi! The Blueshawk hums, the Rat
buzzes, the flanger hisses and squeals, the analog delay is murky, the
Vortex hisses and whooshes, and the Echotron has the bandwidth of a
hearing aid, all going into an amp that distorts at anything above
conversation volume, with a speaker that bottoms out on low notes. And i
LOVE it! 

I've been working the Blueshawk/Velocette combo for a while now. The fun
of that guitar/amp combination is that it feeds back in a controlled
manner at very reasonable volumes, on any string. Now i'm looping the
feedback, getting really fat tones. The Echotron loops on its input even
when bypassed, so what i'm doing is turning its mix all the way down for
normal playing, with about four seconds of delay and moderate feedback.
After a while, i turn up the mix and hear whatever i've accidentally
looped over the last minute or so of playing. If i like it, i can hit
infinite repeat and play over it. Loops from the Vortex may be somewhat
out of sync, adding to the rhythmic complexity. 

Now THIS is an instrument i can play! Sure, it's noisy and rough. It's
also incredibly touch-sensitive, and sounds as warm as a human voice.
It's good to be back. :}
-- 

-dave

"...'cause she knows that it's demanding to defeat those evil
machines..."
 -The Flaming Lips, _Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots pt. 1_


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At 12:11 PM 2/12/2003, Andy Ewen wrote:
>15. New, totally re-written by Kim, 310 page fully-comprehensive manual
>supplied as standard. This has been a serious amount of work for Kim and
>over double the size of the previous Gibson-written manual. I'm sure
>this will be much appreciated by users.

oh yeah, you get the new manual with the EDP+! how did I forget that? I 
guess cause it nearly killed me to write it, so I put up a big mental block 
to forget the pain....

I hope people like it better than the old manual. I started from that one 
and added all the new LoopIV stuff, fixed the various errors, added all 
sorts of things that were never there before, added more examples, 
clarified all sorts of confusing stuff, and reorganized it so it is 
hopefully easier to find things. Eventually it will be online, but it isn't 
yet.

I still wish it had more examples and more tofu in the "user guide" 
section, but egads deadlines are deadlines! I'm pretty happy I got all the 
details in there. I've been trying to steel my willpower for another round 
at the user guide section before Andy's next deadline for a revision lands 
on my head. It's a struggle.

kim


______________________________________________________________________
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on 2/12/03 12:11 PM, Andy Ewen at andy.ewen@btinternet.com wrote:

> 14. New packaging design to remove all polystyrene materials, (doing our
> bit for the planet). The new box is similar in size to the original, but
> now incorporates the EDP Footcontroller, which is supplied as standard.
> (The new EDP will, I think, be available without the Footcontroller as a
> special purchase at a reduced price. I'll check with Clive @ Gibson and
> confirm this).

Including the foot controller does a lot to justify the price. If I'd known,
I might have waited since by the time I add Loop4 to the beige I got today,
I'll be in for $800.

On the other hand, then you need a package deal for stereo that would come
with 2 EDPs and 1 foot controller.

Note also that Musician's Friend lists the EFC-7 as a recommended accessory.

Mark

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Ian are you from Wales?

Me - 44 btw

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> 40
> 
> 
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Well I just got back from my first of four shows this week. I loop
extensively in my live shows. I am grateful to be able to play music for
a living. Looping is actually what's made things even more abundant for
me as a working musician. I'm going on a three week tour of Hawaii and
the South Pacific in March for AFE and that is due to my one-man
afrograss folk rock ensemble via the EDP.
After years playing lead guitar and singing in jambands it works quite
well being a 
Virtual one-man jamband. Technology is a beautiful thing.

My belief is that anybody who can make a living doing what they love are
truly blessed. 

Arthur Lee

       www.arthurleemusic.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Lawson [mailto:steve@steve-lawson.co.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 2:56 PM
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While I do obviously do a lot of looping, I wouldn't class my profession
as
being a looper... a musician who uses looping, yes, but I'm no more a
looper
than I am an amplified musician or a processed musician, in that
sense...

Still, I do make my living from music, and do a lot of looping, so make
of
that what you will...

BTW, it's nice to be home, and resubbed to the list - thanks to all of
you
who came out to see the various gigs on the tour, especially Kim and
Scott
Drengsen who both came to at least two...

see y'all soon,

Steve
www.steve-lawson.co.uk (gig details, news, MP3s etc.)
www.stevelawson.net (the side-door)
www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk (buy CDs)
www.pmrecords.gemm.com (buy the same CDs)
www.solobassnetwork.org.uk (other people making solo bass noises)

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Does any one know how to get a long press of the record button on a PMC
10?

I've tried with note on/note off and CC messages and the record function
works fine but when you long press it doesn't erase/reset the loop.

Any ideas?

 

 

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>Hmm...I see the signal chain you're getting at.  Although, I'm not exactly
>sure how to mix the loop from the post-looper Y with the pre-looper direct
>signal going to the amp.  In any event, this sounds like it would involve
>three A/B/A+B boxes ($$$).  If not using A/B/A+B boxes, wouldn't a bunch of
>Y-cables create weird impedence issues (like when you plug two guitars into
>hi and lo inputs on a single guitar amp, their volume controls affect the
>volume of one another)?

It may be simpler for me, but not impossible for you to save AB boxes 
and mixers:

there are two kinds of Y cables:

from one output to two inputs:
just tie the two (or more) inputs together. I dont see any situation 
where that would not work. The volume stays the same.

from two outputs to one input:
use 10kOhm resistors in series with the outputs. You can place them 
into the connectors. Better put both of them into the connector that 
goes to the input, in most situation you will not hear the difference 
though.
Modern equipment has < 1k output and >50k input impedance, so you are 
safe to mix many. With some very odd old equipment you may hear some 
sound quality loss which mostly can be fixed with a different value 
of the resistor.
There is no danger to burn anything.
You have a 6dB volume loss, since half the signal gets lost on the 
resistors, but usually you can compensate for that somehow.
You can also use unequal resistors to compensate for unequal output levels.
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Welcome back, Steve!

>While I do obviously do a lot of looping, I wouldn't class my profession as
>being a looper... a musician who uses looping, yes, but I'm no more a looper
>than I am an amplified musician or a processed musician, in that sense...

ok, looper is not a profession for you... so bassist (bass player?) 
is not either?
I am asking, since we think that a loop tool is neither an effect or 
amplifier (as you compare it to here) nor an instrument.
i dont call myself Loop-engineer yet either :-)

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>Last year was probably my best year so far in making money from 
>looping. I survived from February until the middle of december 
>purely from money that I made from the project. It was not a 
>constant stream of cash though, and I often went from 
>richness/poverty within the same week :)
>
>Just from paypal donations alone,  I managed about $4,000
>CD sales in 2000 were an estimated 1000 ($12,000).... I did not keep 
>an accurate record - just burn/sell/burn/sell... During Paris Plage, 
>I was able to sell about 50 a day on the street... plus there was a 
>fair amount of small coinage that came my way through my 'musical 
>begging'.
>
>As it was a cash economy, and also in fear of the taxman, I did not 
>keep any accurate records.
>
>It was a hard life, but I'm going to start it off again at the end of March :)
>--
>Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com

I will be playing at a street music festival in March here in Salvador.
Its organized by  bernard m. snyder: http://onemanband.org
Its especially interesting since we dont have street musicians here, 
there are a lot of beggers and some do little performances of 
juggling or capoeira, sometimes a blind singer and those who can 
aford an instrument dont begg, music is happening on the road anyway. 
So now a german street musician shows that culture in a open air 
shopping center, with musicians from abroad...
This years program is made, but contact him for next year, maybe?
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I am in a sad position here, since there is no doubt that I produced 
this bug :-(
But I am tired of that terribly complex ASM software and so far we 
have not found enough motivation to make another upgrade to fix such 
remote stuff the users hardly find. So finally you have a random 
surprise function here...

>   <smile>   Old bits of loop could be AWESOME!   hellish noise would
>definitely be NOT AWESOME!  -Can we eliminate the noise but keep the
>AWESOME?!   lol!

you actually can by filling the memory before you use the function.
whenever the left green dot is blinking, we do AutoUndo, which means 
that we jump back in memory (replay the sample, actually) so the 
memory does not fill up.
whenever you reduce FB, Overdub, Record, Reset or other changes, the 
dot does not blink and we advance in memory. If you let it happen for 
the max time (startup display) the memory is full and you are save of 
the noise until the next power up.
By increasing MoreLoops, you reduce the memory size, so you overwrite 
the noise quicker.
You can fill the memory with some ghost after powering up. Just 
record some strange sound, reduce the FB a little and the ghost wil 
spread over the memory. Then, when the bug happens, you hear the 
ghost... or any other bit of previous loops :-)

But, as you understood, all of this is not a fix of the bug, it just 
turns it more musical :-)

>  >> > I look upon the DirectMIDIs as a bonus feature,
>>>   > and will certainly checking out your bug
>  >>  > for future musical use.

friendly atitude :-)

>  >the "hellish noise" is (I imagine) the EDP running through memory that
>  >was randomised at boot up.

correct
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>Our rigs are the shrines to Looping.  We follow The Way of the Looper.  Yeah?

somehow... if any spiritual group invites me to participate, I say: 
only if you let me play, because thats my way...

>Now that my new-to-me rig is finished (for now), I've
>had a few evenings of thoughtless bliss just looping
>away.  Hours have passed by in what seems like
>minutes.  I feel in some ways tired afterwards, or
>maybe it's put better to say I feel I've expended
>energy, but it's a refreshing feeling all the same.  I
>know I've left consciousness as regularly experienced
>behind and journeyed outward, or maybe inward, and
>faced some abstraction; a subjective experience
>language can only begin to describe.

somehow like brain washing, in a good way, no?

>Now, I don't want to force a label on myself with the
>rest of you, rather I'm just observing personal
>phenomena.  "Spiritual" means many things to many
>people and can carrying with it some rigid
>connotations.  Yet, it strikes me as appropriate: I am
>driven towards creating this experience for myself,
>making a larger, more complex and able "shrine" to
>"whorship" at.

right, the developpment if the shrine is not really the aim, but the 
constant use of it to go your (or "the loopers") way and develop 
personally and help others to do so.
I must say that to myself often. I use almost the same setup for 15 
years - after I developed it intensly for 10 years...
Actually a not enough considered question in daily life:
Do I do something so the thing is done (helps others) or to grow 
while doing it?
Do the people that plant the rice I eat do it to feed me or to grow themselves?

It often reminds me of a drug, too:
If you use it in a way you need more of it every day, you use it wrongly!
(growing loops are dangerous :-)
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At 12:19 AM 2/13/2003, ARTHUR LEE MUSIC wrote:
>Does any one know how to get a long press of the record button on a PMC 10?
>
>I ve tried with note on/note off and CC messages and the record function 
>works fine but when you long press it doesn t erase/reset the loop.
>
>Any ideas?

For any PMC-10 patch you have "String A" and "String B". String A is what 
gets sent when you press the button, string B gets sent when you release 
it. Program the NoteOn for the command you want in String A. Program the 
NoteOff in String B. Then it will send the noteon when you press, and 
noteoff when you release, and the Long Presses will work right.

Also, get Raymond, the PMC-10 editor. It makes programming the PMC-10 a lot 
easier It's created by Sean Echevarria of this list:
http://www.mindspring.com/~sean_/pmc/index.html

and also, join the yahoo pmc-10 group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pmc10/

kim



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pedal type momentary
string A Note on 90 26 7F
string B note off 90 26 00

Claude

ps if edp is in SUS you cannot erase reset the loop with long rec you
must use the reset loop direct midi message
note 61  90 3D 7F or general reset (all loops) note 62  90 3E 7F

> Does any one know how to get a long press of the record button on a
PMC
> 10?
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> I've tried with note on/note off and CC messages and the record
function
> works fine but when you long press it doesn't erase/reset the loop.
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> Any ideas?
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Hi all,

I'm trying to get together a loopfest (or a couple of loopfests) in 
June for when Rick descends on Paris, and I might have found a really 
cool venue. Its called the Batofar:
http://www.parissi.com/party/club/batofar.htm

Their own site is down, but that was a good write-up that I found 
whilst googling, and the picture sums up the place. It is an old 
lighthouse boat, moored along the Seine... I think it holds just 
200-250 people max, but it is always a good crowd. Its a trendy place, 
and often means queuing outside for an hour or two if you arrive after 
11pm...

There is a chance of holding a live-loop fest there on a good stage, 
and with a very good sound system. They have videoing and recording 
facilities too....

So, before I contact the organiser, I already know of Andy Soto who 
would probably be able to make it, plus a small number of local 
loopers.... would anyone else be interested in taking part? There might 
not be that much money (if any) to share, but I think it could be a 
very cool night in a very cool place, and could really put live looping 
on the Parisian map. There is the potential to create a very long night 
(6+ hours).

Email me at loopfest@solostring.com if you are interested

Cheers,
-- 
Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com

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> By increasing MoreLoops, you reduce the memory size, so you overwrite 
> the noise quicker.


Ok, this explains to me why I had this problem; I'm in the habit of
circling between only three loops.

> You can fill the memory with some ghost after powering up. Just 
> record some strange sound, reduce the FB a little and the ghost wil 
> spread over the memory. Then, when the bug happens, you hear the 
> ghost... or any other bit of previous loops :-)


Great tip! Thanks ;-) I can already imagine several musical ways to
apply this "safety belt". Will try it out later.

Best wishes

Per Boysen
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playing drums with a guitar.
The electric guitar doesn't  allow all those
drum sounds that Rick gets from an acoustic guitar.

I found it possible to program FX patches which, with
use of suitable  electric guitar techniques, allow various
drum sounds to be approximated.

bass drum: envelope controlled lo-pass filter. resonance quite high
   and frequency around 100hz
    .....thump muffled strings over bridge p/u

snare: vocoder, where noise is modulated by guitar and release 
    time is quite long.
   .....damp strings and strum

hi-hat:  ring mod with envelope control on the carrier freq 
    .....damp strings and tap lightly over p/u


and so on, there's a lot of variation to be had by using different 
techniques with theses FX patches, mostly useable percussive type
sounds, although less conventional.    

takes a bit of practise to get the sounds nice and clean. 


Second possibility is holding toy "drum machines" against the guitar
p/u. As the magnetic field of the toy's speaker is directly activating
the gtr p/u the sound can be a bit better than the acoustic sound 
of the toy.
...just waiting for the small "drum machine" with usable 
sounds to become available in the local discount stores.


To go the MIDI way the Yamaha G50 looks like one of 
the better options. I wouldn't usually recommend Yamaha 
for anything musical, but in this case they bought the design
from a company called Axon (units available?).
The tracking is based on a neural net system, and seems 
pretty good. 
Allows you to send a different MIDI channel with each string.
...and a mono input for MIDI convertion of any signal without the 
split p/u.


I've tried one of the newer Roland guitar synths, 
(whichever is the current production model, I don't remember the 
name )
and while the tracking 
is OK it seemed to be designed for use with mainly the onboard
sounds. Certainly couldn't assign different strings to different channels.

I reckon that Roland/Boss gear generally doesn't have high
sound quality, ( and personally I find the preset patches 
to be useless).  


andy butler       

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> Frεn: Dave Stagner [mailto:dave@spnz.org] 
>
> I struggled with sterile 
> stacked-humbucking pickups on Stratocasters, 

Occasionally I have thought about buying stacked Strat pickups but I
must say that today I'm glad I never had the money to take the plunge.
Instead I developed the habit of turning down the strats volume knob
between notes and also to fight hum by assuming a "hum preventing" body
position ;-)  (related to the surrounding magnetic fields, I guess?).
And I love those low output vintage strat single coils!!!!!  

>  Now i'm looping the feedback

Cool! Any MP3's up somewhere? 
 
> -The Flaming Lips, > 

Yeah, great band! :-)

Best wishes

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hi Andy
.good to hear from you


>  3. CPU and audio CODEC are now under tin-plated brass screening cans to
>  minimise RF emissions, (bring them down to CE-approval levels).
>  4. PCB now has 9 separate grounding/fixing points to the chassis.
>  Beigeface has 5 fixing points to the chassis, only one of these was a
>  ground point.
>  5. The mains input socket is now a large screened filtered inlet. This
>  was a CE requirement to give the unit better immunity to noise from the
>  mains supply and to stop RF getting back out of the unit down the supply
>  cable.
>  6. 50 very high quality capacitors have been added to all of the input &
>  output sockets to ensure that high frequency harmonics are not sent out
>  of the unit, (again, this was to bring them down to CE-approval levels).
>  These do not work down to anywhere near the audio frequency spectrum, so
>  do not interfere with audio quality.

A couple of times I've had wierd problems with the 2 Beige EDPs
together, with high frequency noise recorded into the
loop. I suspect this is an RF emmission or earthing problem, as it was solved 
by rearranging the mains plugs at random.
I also had the edps go out of sync occaisionally, but
haven't played enough to be sure that probem is fixed as well.  

>  9. Loop4 software fitted as standard.

A few of the  Beige edps seem to have a problem with
Loop4. If the edp reboots when the bro-sync jack is shorted
out the problem is present. 


>  14. New packaging design to remove all polystyrene materials, (doing our
>  bit for the planet). The new box is similar in size to the original, but
>  now incorporates the EDP Footcontroller, which is supplied as standard.
>  (The new EDP will, I think, be available without the Footcontroller as a
>  special purchase at a reduced price. I'll check with Clive @ Gibson and
>  confirm this).

yes, Loop4 needs a MIDI controller to fully exploit all
the features. A lot of people won't need the FC-7

Are you going to do special deals for a pair of EDPs? 


>  15. New, totally re-written by Kim, 310 page fully-comprehensive manual
>  This new manual has also cost over $10 each to produce and we had many,
>  supplied printed in its entirety. I'd be interested in knowing anyone's
>  opinion on this now we've settled it.

A hardcopy manual is essential.
(just an opinion mind)


Thanks Andy,
it's really nice to have the opportunity for user 
feedback.

andy butler

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Yes. Dave Burrluck & Adrian Clark from Guitarist Magazine have had a new
EDP for some time now and a review is under way. I believe Steve Lawson
is on hand for tech support on higher Loop4 functions.



Will the new black EDP be reviewed in any of the major music magazines
any
time soon?

Thanks,
John
www.johnmazzarella.com




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Yes, dare I say it, 'on the black market'

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Is the "EDP BLACKFACE" permitted in Virginia, where "The Jazz Singer" is
still forbidden viewing?

S.P. Goodman
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hi Andy
.good to hear from you

>A few of the Beige EDPs seem to have a problem with
>Loop4. If the edp reboots when the bro-sync jack is shorted
>out the problem is present. 
 
Possibly a memory problem. We should be able to send you 2 sets of the
new memory under warranty. I'll have to ask Clive @ Gibson, as he will
have to pay for the parts.

>Are you going to do special deals for a pair of EDPs?

This will be Clive's call, but I'm almost positive that a deal can be
struck for a pair of new ones. When I was at trace, we always did deals
for purchasing pairs.
 
>A hardcopy manual is essential.
>(just an opinion mind)

My sentiments exactly.

>Andy butler



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Just to clear up a minor point, as I have had a few questions on
promotion and marketing sent my way:-
 
I am only involved in manufacturing and delivering the Echoplex to
Gibson. All sales, promotion, marketing & servicing issues should be
directed towards Clive Roberts. He is still based in the old Trace
factory and is handling all details, post delivery from me. I don't have
the authority or budget to get involved in any of these matters, which
is a shame, I know, but Gibson made me redundant and that's it. Nuff
said.
Clive can be contacted on clive.roberts@gibson.com 
 
Regards,
Andy Ewen,
Echoplex Production Manager
 

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questions on promotion and marketing sent my =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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the
Echoplex to Gibson. All sales, promotion, marketing &amp; servicing =
issues
should be directed towards Clive Roberts. He is still based in the old =
Trace
factory and is handling all details, post delivery from me. I =
don&#8217;t have
the authority or budget to get involved in any of these matters, which =
is a
shame, I know, but Gibson made me redundant and that&#8217;s it. Nuff =
said.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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this is the AUTORECORD param your looking for
once set ON when you enter an empty loop you start recording
you select your different loops with the looptrig# note

Claude



> I was wondering if there is a way to have a loop select switch that
records
> the first time you use it but only selects loop after - I am trying to
fit
> my most useful parameters into 1 FCB1010 bank- it would be something
like
> this if I can solve the loop select/rec issue:
>
> 1- Loop 1
> 2- Loop 2
> 3- Loop 3
> 4- Loop 4
> 5- Insert (Sub)
> 6- Undo
> 7- OD (Sus)
> 8- Preset 1
> 9- Preset 2
> 10- Parameter
>
> I don't want to have to perform more than 1 step if I can avoid it
(for this
> particular setup) I might give up a loop select for a Rec switch or
maybe
> the Parameter switch-
>
> Also- if I select a preset it seems you have to have a tempo or it is
120bpm
> automatically- are there any problems with this if you don't want to
use
> that particular tempo? My main interest is in switching between loop
copy
> time/sound.
>
> Thanks-
>
> Cliff
>
>

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I was wondering if there is a way to have a loop select switch that records
the first time you use it but only selects loop after - I am trying to fit
my most useful parameters into 1 FCB1010 bank- it would be something like
this if I can solve the loop select/rec issue:

1- Loop 1 
2- Loop 2
3- Loop 3 
4- Loop 4
5- Insert (Sub)
6- Undo
7- OD (Sus)
8- Preset 1
9- Preset 2
10- Parameter

I don't want to have to perform more than 1 step if I can avoid it (for this
particular setup) I might give up a loop select for a Rec switch or maybe
the Parameter switch- 

Also- if I select a preset it seems you have to have a tempo or it is 120bpm
automatically- are there any problems with this if you don't want to use
that particular tempo? My main interest is in switching between loop copy
time/sound.

Thanks- 

Cliff

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On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 05:43, Per Boysen wrote:
> > Frεn: Dave Stagner [mailto:dave@spnz.org] 
> >
> > I struggled with sterile 
> > stacked-humbucking pickups on Stratocasters, 
> 
> Occasionally I have thought about buying stacked Strat pickups but I
> must say that today I'm glad I never had the money to take the plunge.
> Instead I developed the habit of turning down the strats volume knob
> between notes and also to fight hum by assuming a "hum preventing" body
> position ;-)  (related to the surrounding magnetic fields, I guess?).
> And I love those low output vintage strat single coils!!!!!  

Yeah, i hate to think how much money got spent on pickups for Strats!
The best i tried were the Dimarzio Virtual Vintage, which sounded like
an okay copy of an okay Strat pickup.  I expect more than "okay" out of
my instruments!  

The Blueshawk has a much more sensible approach. It has a dummy coil in
the back of the guitar that is used for pseudo-humbucking.  It's not as
quiet as a good humbucker, but it's better than most single-coils. And
in general, it sounds better than 99% of the Strats in the world, and is
more flexible than the other 1%.  I'm quite happy with it. 

> 
> >  Now i'm looping the feedback
> 
> Cool! Any MP3's up somewhere? 

Not yet... i don't have a good recording setup yet, although it's on my
list. Unfortunately, i also took up drumming recently, so i have yet
another black hole to pour money into!

However, i do have a gig coming up in March, along with a drummer i've
been working with for a while. I'll do my best to tape it and get some
mp3s up.
-- 

-dave

"...'cause she knows that it's demanding to defeat those evil
machines..."
 -The Flaming Lips, _Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots pt. 1_


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> On the other hand, I'm *loving* the sounds of the Korg MS2000. 

I have a MS200R. Great machine. I like the portamento. 
It glides to the exact same pitch I have set up in the tuning
table instead of the 12tet note.


* David Beardsley
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <sine@zerocrossing.net>
> 
> > On the other hand, I'm *loving* the sounds of the Korg MS2000. 
> 
> I have a MS200R. Great machine. I like the portamento. 
> It glides to the exact same pitch I have set up in the tuning
> table instead of the 12tet note.

oops...

MS2000R.


* David Beardsley
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It's OK.  Better when you set it for a 24 note range, but the Korg 
MS2000 only accepts 12.

Mark

On Wednesday, February 12, 2003, at 06:37 PM, Louie Angulo wrote:

> Are yo happy the way is tracking (specially doing note
> bending) using the GK converter then?

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hello all you repeater users...

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on 2/13/03 7:50 AM, David Beardsley at db@biink.com wrote:

> MS2000R.

I picked up a Waldorf Microwave XT last fall. It's tempted me to go find a
MIDI guitar to try it with. I used to use guitar synths (first a GR-500,
then an Ibanez MIDI guitar driving a TX81Z) but I haven't done so in a long
time since I generally didn't find them as expressive as straight guitar.

Anyone in the Santa Cruz area have a MIDI guitar and an interest in trying
the Microwave? We could jointly experiment.

Mark

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Does anyone know if simpletech still exchanges cards that don't work properly 
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I've got a MWXT in Boston, and a Ztar gettin' tweaked on by H.Starr in CA.
Ironic.  Someday the two shall meet again, and move the air around in a
funny way once more.

My only complaint with the XT is that it seems to be easy to get clicking
noises at the beginning of tones with a short attack.  Quite a task to get
it out sometimes.  Sweepy, paddy stuff is quite dandy on that box though,
very unique.  Not a real warm box, unfortunately, I'm missing that, but it
is one of a kind.  And I really dig that mod matrix!  That's one of my
favorite parts.  I like mapping only one or two CC's to scads of
parameter's, and just applying a little modulation to them all.  Helps make
it sound much more organic.  With the Ztar, it was quite wack.

Mike

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Hamburg [mailto:mark_hamburg@baymoon.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 11:55 AM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: OT: MIDI guitar (a looping source!)
>
>
> on 2/13/03 7:50 AM, David Beardsley at db@biink.com wrote:
>
> > MS2000R.
>
> I picked up a Waldorf Microwave XT last fall. It's tempted me
> to go find a
> MIDI guitar to try it with. I used to use guitar synths
> (first a GR-500,
> then an Ibanez MIDI guitar driving a TX81Z) but I haven't
> done so in a long
> time since I generally didn't find them as expressive as
> straight guitar.
>
> Anyone in the Santa Cruz area have a MIDI guitar and an
> interest in trying
> the Microwave? We could jointly experiment.
>
> Mark
>
>

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Are you guys talking about something like this: http://www.loooper.com/

I was attracted to the name when doing some kind of a search on Harmony Central
awhile back, thinking it might be loop related (it's not, just a device that does
stomp box effects loops). Pretty cool.

Greg


--- Goddess <thefates@earthlink.net> wrote:
>   A dear friend is actually working on something very similar to this for
> me at the moment.  If there's an interest, he's talked about making more of
> them.  What we're looking at now, is actually quite basic, and will
> probably have a stereo pair of inputs, which would then split, and be
> passed through the device, but also be summed to mono before being output
> to my echoplex,  whose output, would then be input back into the device, to
> be mixed with the stereo pair again.   There will probably be a mix knob as
> well.  Basically, it'll just be a lil' tiny box with ins, outs, and a knob,
> with the  proper  impedance and  OP amps taken into  account.  Obviously,
> the same can be accomplished with a standard mixer, but this is really
> quick and easy and LITTLE!   woohoo!   lol!  -if anyone is interested, feel
> free to write me off-list, K?   
> 
> Smiles,
> 
> CQ
> 
> At 07:33 PM 2/11/03 -0800, you wrote:
> >Hmm...I see the signal chain you're getting at.  Although, I'm not exactly
> >sure how to mix the loop from the post-looper Y with the pre-looper direct
> >signal going to the amp.  In any event, this sounds like it would involve
> >three A/B/A+B boxes ($$$).  If not using A/B/A+B boxes, wouldn't a bunch of
> >Y-cables create weird impedence issues (like when you plug two guitars into
> >hi and lo inputs on a single guitar amp, their volume controls affect the
> >volume of one another)?
> >
> >-J
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Daryl" <highhorse@mhorse.com>
> >To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 6:07 PM
> >Subject: Re: looping as a profession
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Jesse, would it work to have a splitter box before your looper, sending
> >one side
> >> to your own amp, and sending the other to the looper with the mix for the
> >loops
> >> set at 100% wet?  (I don't own an EDP, but I assume this is controllable
> >> universally.) Then split the signal coming from the looper too, sending it
> >to
> >> your own rig to mix with the dry, and sending only the wet to everyone
> >else.
> >> You could also click the output to your bandmates on and off this way.
> >>
> >> I use a splitter myself so I can have an uncolored dry sound that doesn't
> >go
> >> thru my looping stuff.  Plus, it's a safety device; if the complicated
> >stuff
> >> breaks down at least I can keep making noise!
> >>
> >> These examples of folks making all or some part of their living doing
> >music is
> >> highly inspiring!
> >>
> >> Daryl Shawn
> >> highhorse@mhorse.com
> >>
> >>
> >> >     I have tried using loops on some rock and funk gigs, but when
> >playing
> >> > with other musicians monitoring is the biggest problem.  It would be
> >nice if
> >> > my looping devices (a Boss RC-20, and now an EDP) had a dedicated "Loop
> >Out"
> >> > output, which would just output the loops, and no direct signal.  This
> >way,
> >> > if the drummer suddenly gets bass in his monitor he knows it's a loop
> >and
> >> > that he has to follow it.
> >>
> >
> >
> 
> 
> ---
> 
>   "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother.
> -Then, anything is possible..."  
> 
> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates
> 
> Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe.  
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction 
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe 
> 
> 


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Mike at one point had custody of my rainbow metal flake double neck Ztar
which will one day rule the world (Harvey thinks that Prince should buy it).
It makes a great loop source as it has a synth neck (and pads, and a
joystick) as well as a 22 fret "real guitar"!!
Gary

-----Original Message-----
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I've got a MWXT in Boston, and a Ztar gettin' tweaked on by H.Starr in CA.
Ironic.  Someday the two shall meet again, and move the air around in a
funny way once more.

My only complaint with the XT
<snip>
With the Ztar, it was quite wack.

Mike


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At 05:19 AM 2/13/2003 -0500, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote:

>To go the MIDI way the Yamaha G50 looks like one of
>the better options. I wouldn't usually recommend Yamaha
>for anything musical, but in this case they bought the design
>from a company called Axon (units available?).
>The tracking is based on a neural net system, and seems
>pretty good.
>Allows you to send a different MIDI channel with each string.
>...and a mono input for MIDI convertion of any signal without the
>split p/u.

Well, since Yamaha's been mentioned in the context of MIDI guitars, I might 
as well throw in a plug for their original G-10 (now discontinued).  It's 
solely a dedicated MIDI controller which makes no tone on its own, and it 
takes a little time to get set up (not to mention getting used to playing 6 
'G' strings).  However, the tracking and pitchbend are flawless -- amongst 
the best of any MIDI controller ever offered.

And, even though it's an older unit, you get some of the standard MIDI 
functions you'd expect from more modern controllers: separate MIDI channel 
(as well as velocity, pitchbend tracking) for each individual string, 
separate tuning on each string stored by preset (change your entire 
instrument's tuning relationship by simply switching presets), whammy bar 
acts as pitchbend for all strings, integrated breath controller and 
expression pedal inputs, etc., etc.

Worth checking out if you come across one, and can deal with your guitar 
making no sound on its own....

         -c-

_____
"i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back"
                                                 -recoil

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Sorry Steve, it seems that replies to my posts go to me and not the list.
I'm not sure how to resolve this apart from setting up a separate profile
for this list and making the reply-to Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com.
Anyone have any helpful hints here?

-----Original Message-----
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 I am still a beginner when it comes to looping and using the EDP.  My EDP
has the Loop III software and I have been wondering if it would be better
for me to just try and learn how to use Loop III and not worry too much
about the newer Loop IV features or if it would be better to upgrade now and
begin learning the EDP from the Loop IV perspective?

Thanks,
Steve Ginn

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Kim claims that Loop IV doesn't interfere with the old functions of the
software and for the most part this is true . . . Steve Ginn has a PMC-10 so
I would say, go for Loop IV--anyone with a good MIDI foot controller can get
a lot of mileage out of the new OS.  And after all, visual display of the
Feedback and Volume is worth the price of admission alone!
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--- Clayton Gary Lehmann <healthquestrecruiter@earthlink.net> wrote:

> And after all, visual display of the
> Feedback and Volume is worth the price of admission alone!

Amen. I could sure use that with my Repeater.

Greg


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> >While I do obviously do a lot of looping, I wouldn't class my profession
as
> >being a looper... a musician who uses looping, yes, but I'm no more a
looper
> >than I am an amplified musician or a processed musician, in that sense...
>
> ok, looper is not a profession for you... so bassist (bass player?)
> is not either?
> I am asking, since we think that a loop tool is neither an effect or
> amplifier (as you compare it to here) nor an instrument.
> i dont call myself Loop-engineer yet either :-)

No, I wouldn't say my profession is a bassist either, strictly. I get paid
to play music. Most of the people listening couldn't care less what the
instrument is, some don't know that it's a bass (6 strings=guitar, of
course), and most don't get what looping is about. I guess this is heading
into sticky territory, as to take the notion that what your profession is is
what the people who are paying you think you are doing is probably not a
great path to go down.

Oh bollocks, it doesn't really matter either way - am I a pro looper? yes
and no. Am I a pro bassist? yes and no. Am I an entertainer? yes and no. Am
I a stand up comic? sadly, no. ;o) Do I get paid for doing what I love
doing, regardless of labels? yes. is that what really matters? yes. Is this
email a waste of electrons? most definitely.

big love

steve
www.steve-lawson.co.uk (gig details, news, MP3s etc.)
www.stevelawson.net (the side-door)
www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk (buy CDs)
www.pmrecords.gemm.com (buy the same CDs)
www.solobassnetwork.org.uk (other people making solo bass noises)


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man i wish i could be there. how are you taking submissions for
performers???


thanks
jg
http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com


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> Hi all,
>
> I'm trying to get together a loopfest (or a couple of loopfests) in
> June for when Rick descends on Paris, and I might have found a really
> cool venue. Its called the Batofar:
> http://www.parissi.com/party/club/batofar.htm
>
> Their own site is down, but that was a good write-up that I found
> whilst googling, and the picture sums up the place. It is an old
> lighthouse boat, moored along the Seine... I think it holds just
> 200-250 people max, but it is always a good crowd. Its a trendy place,
> and often means queuing outside for an hour or two if you arrive after
> 11pm...
>
> There is a chance of holding a live-loop fest there on a good stage,
> and with a very good sound system. They have videoing and recording
> facilities too....
>
> So, before I contact the organiser, I already know of Andy Soto who
> would probably be able to make it, plus a small number of local
> loopers.... would anyone else be interested in taking part? There might
> not be that much money (if any) to share, but I think it could be a
> very cool night in a very cool place, and could really put live looping
> on the Parisian map. There is the potential to create a very long night
> (6+ hours).
>
> Email me at loopfest@solostring.com if you are interested
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com
>
>

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i have been looping in live shows for 12 years. i make my living as a full
time musician. between session work, live performance and production work i
pulled in 42,000 last year. it seems to be either feast or famine in this
business. i am very grateful and thankful to have the means i do. i'm
wonderfully encouraged with all the 'full time' players out here on the
list. YEA!!!!!!

life is good!

anyone who has a web site that would like to be on my links page to promote
your looping, music etc. please let me know. you can see my links page at
http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com

peace and love

jimmy george
http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com

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As a musician who is thinking about going full time (forgive me for my
ignorance) - would $42,000 be a feast or a famine?

Patrick


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i have been looping in live shows for 12 years. i make my living as a
full time musician. between session work, live performance and
production work i pulled in 42,000 last year. it seems to be either
feast or famine in this business. i am very grateful and thankful to
have the means i do. i'm wonderfully encouraged with all the 'full time'
players out here on the list. YEA!!!!!!

life is good!

anyone who has a web site that would like to be on my links page to
promote your looping, music etc. please let me know. you can see my
links page at http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com

peace and love

jimmy george
http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com

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My feeling is that most musicians would be grateful to make this kind of
bread, no matter what they did on stage!  For a while, anyway--
I was in a dreadfully repetitious costumed street theatre/music group making
$30K in San Diego and was the envy of my peers!
Drove me nuts tho . . .
Gary
PS  Healthcare Recruiting pays better--but it still drives me nuts.  Hmmm .
. . I perceive a pattern . . .
G


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At 10:21 AM 2/1/2003, Michael LaMeyer wrote:
>Sorry Steve, it seems that replies to my posts go to me and not the list.
>I'm not sure how to resolve this apart from setting up a separate profile
>for this list and making the reply-to Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com.
>Anyone have any helpful hints here?

Michael, you should not have the reply-to field set to anything at all. 
This field is only there for people who want to redirect replies to a 
different address from the one they send from. Since you have reply-to set 
to the same thing as your main address, this is obviously not the case for 
you. You should not be using this field at all.

kim



______________________________________________________________________
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kflint@loopers-delight.com    | http://www.loopers-delight.com

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Right!  Just got that info from another list member.  Done.  

Merci!

Mike

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> 
> At 10:21 AM 2/1/2003, Michael LaMeyer wrote:
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> not the list.
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> 
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> the case for 
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> 
> kim
> 
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________________________________
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> 

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Hi, 
 I've been following the
interesting conversation between, CQ, Greg House and others
under the 'looping as a profession' thread 
about designs for a cool stereo/mono/stereo a/b/c device

but it occurs to me that noone will ever be able to find it
in the archives as it has nothing to do with looping as a profession
(which is another great thread:  we're on a roll again here at
Loopers Delight........congratulations everyone..........I hope
Kim is digging this new trend.

Would everbody try to be conscientious about changing the 
thread titles for the sake of future loopers?

the archives just fucking rock for a newbie...........we should 
think of them.

Thanks,  politely yours,   Rick Walker



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Thanks Claude- but I was not clear enough- I wish to copy the previous loop
or loop time (presets will cover this distinction) and not just create new
loops of diff lengths- I'm not sure if I can do this without a dedicated
NextLoop switch etc.

Cliff

>>this is the AUTORECORD param your looking for



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Hi, all:

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They're really not as expressive as a guitar.  A lot of your technique goes
out the window.  I found the key is to use some sort of performance orientated
effect, even as simple as a volume pedal, to add expression to your MIDI
guitar playing.

Mark Sottilaro

Mark Hamburg wrote:

> on 2/13/03 7:50 AM, David Beardsley at db@biink.com wrote:
>
> > MS2000R.
>
> I picked up a Waldorf Microwave XT last fall. It's tempted me to go find a
> MIDI guitar ...I generally didn't find them as expressive as straight
> guitar.
>

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The various Marks were talking:

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They're really not as expressive as a guitar.  A lot of your technique goes
out the window.  I found the key is to use some sort of performance
orientated
effect, even as simple as a volume pedal, to add expression to your MIDI
guitar playing.

Mark Sottilaro

Mark Hamburg wrote:

> on 2/13/03 7:50 AM, David Beardsley at db@biink.com wrote:
>
> > MS2000R.
>
> I picked up a Waldorf Microwave XT last fall. It's tempted me to go find a
> MIDI guitar ...I generally didn't find them as expressive as straight
> guitar.
>

I have to admit that when I use the Ztar for MIDI keyboard sounds, it has
less of my personality than using a guitar--more experience with guitar,
etc.
But there are those who can make the Ztar walk and talk:  I bet this is one
of those guys  http://www.audiocybernetics.com/Guitars.html
He's on the Ztar list--I don't think he loops--but I didn't ask him either!
Gary


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I agree with your sentiments about the expressive capabilities, but
keyboardist seem to find a way to be expressive. I like using my MIDI
guitar for interesting alternative effects I particularly like using the
split string effects for an interesting self accompaniment (Piano upper
four, acoustic Bass lower two strings) it works very well with chord
melody tecniques. I suppose it really just takes a bit of a readjustment
in your thinking to make it a means of expressive artistry. I still want
my electric Violin to have a workable MIDI configuration, has anybody
disassembled a GK-2x I was thinking about trying to adapt one for use on
the E Violin.


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They're really not as expressive as a guitar.  A lot of your technique
goes out the window.  I found the key is to use some sort of performance
orientated effect, even as simple as a volume pedal, to add expression
to your MIDI guitar playing.

Mark Sottilaro

Mark Hamburg wrote:

> on 2/13/03 7:50 AM, David Beardsley at db@biink.com wrote:
>
> > MS2000R.
>
> I picked up a Waldorf Microwave XT last fall. It's tempted me to go 
> find a MIDI guitar ...I generally didn't find them as expressive as 
> straight guitar.
>

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MusicMusicMusicMusicMusicMusicMusicMusicMusicMusicMusicMusicMusicMusic

Greetings Loopers Delight People!

All of these shows will have Mucho Looping..Hope you can make it or please
pass on to anyone you know in Denver who can make it...Thanks!

FEB 14th
Please join me for a special Valentines Day Night Show! This is a new venue
for me to play. (Good Clean Lovin!)***I'm told the theme of the evening is
'Singles Night' but couple are welcome!*** The Party is from 6 to 10pm.

Where: Lisa Maries Coffee Shop - 4418 Tennyson St. Denver, CO 303-433-2344
This is a really cool new venue. They have lots of treats to snack and drink
from...


FEB 15th
Saturday 9:pm (I play a short set / The Jeff Schnase Band will be featured
10 to 11pm.) This is a new venuw and an all ages show. Every Saturday from 6
to 9 features kids only 15 minute slots performing on an open stage. 9 to 10
has adults only for 15 minute slots. 10 to 11 is a featured performer for
the whole hour. This will be a fun family style musical evening for
everyone!!!

Where: Music Gear Guys, 44th & Garrison, Denver CO


FEB 22nd
Saturday 10 to 11pm This will be a fun Looping Show! (FREE CD's!)***I will
have 5 FREE CD's with newly recorded unreleased material on them for the
first 5 people who ask...***

Where: Music Gear Guys, 44th & Garrison, Denver CO

A very busy and Yummy March coming soon...

Aside from my solo shows I will have a new band debuting in March. You will
like this band very much.

Please check out any of my 11 CDs on the JGA listening page when you get a
chance. All
songs are streamable with Real Audio and I will send mp3s for any songs upon
request.

Thank you for your contiuing support, it means the world to music!!!

Jimmy George
http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com
http://www.jimmygeorgeband.com
http://www.mousebearrecords.com

MusicMusicMusicMusicMusicMusicMusicMusicMusicMusicMusicMusicMusicMusic


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We will be starting open loop late this week late because loop
this week late because of the anti-war rally, please please
come come come to the anti-war rally, please come this
week to the rally at noon at 49th St at First Avenue
in New York New York New York.

http://www.unitedforpeace.org/feb15.html

open loop open loop open open
every week look Saturday look loop look look
at Chama
Chama
Chama

at Chama, 332 E4 St. , NY, NY

Saturday afternoons, 4 PM - 8 PM.
this week, this Saturday afternoon, this week, 5 PM - 8 PM

open live open looping of live open looped instruments
and open looping devices, live and looped
every open Saturday afternoons, 4 PM to 8 PM.
this week 5 PM - 8 PM.

bring a loop
bring an instrument
or just hang out.


Chama: http://gargoylemechanique.com/chama
open loop: http://openLoop.com

     /t
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very cool!

jg
http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com

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> We will be starting open loop late this week late because loop
> this week late because of the anti-war rally, please please
> come come come to the anti-war rally, please come this
> week to the rally at noon at 49th St at First Avenue
> in New York New York New York.
>
> http://www.unitedforpeace.org/feb15.html
>
> open loop open loop open open
> every week look Saturday look loop look look
> at Chama
> Chama
> Chama
>
> at Chama, 332 E4 St. , NY, NY
>
> Saturday afternoons, 4 PM - 8 PM.
> this week, this Saturday afternoon, this week, 5 PM - 8 PM
>
> open live open looping of live open looped instruments
> and open looping devices, live and looped
> every open Saturday afternoons, 4 PM to 8 PM.
> this week 5 PM - 8 PM.
>
> bring a loop
> bring an instrument
> or just hang out.
>
>
> Chama: http://gargoylemechanique.com/chama
> open loop: http://openLoop.com
>
>      /t
> --
>
> http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every
Saturday!
> http://extremeNY.com/calendar .................................. the
calendar.
> http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the
calendar.
>
>

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>very cool!

Thanks, Jimmy!

And, next week's our first anniversary, we haven't missed a week.

You're all always welcome to drop by!

     /t
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thank you tom and i hope to soon. indeed! my friend daryl boling runs the
manhattan theatre source group off mcdougal st. i get uo to ny 2 or 3 x a
year and look forward to meeting you on my next trip.

jg

jg
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> >very cool!
>
> Thanks, Jimmy!
>
> And, next week's our first anniversary, we haven't missed a week.
>
> You're all always welcome to drop by!
>
>      /t
> --
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> http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every
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> http://extremeNY.com/calendar .................................. the
calendar.
> http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the
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>
>

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> And, next week's our first anniversary, we haven't missed a week.

Anything special planned? Start a bit early...let people do
solo sets seperated by duos and/or trios?

I was asking stv jns about this earlier this evening....damm it's cold
outside!


* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db

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Does the Gibson EDP function with balanced cables?

Or would it make no difference either way?

I have a lot of noise in my rig and its been suggested that I switch 
everything to balanced cable where applicable...

If it doesn't make any difference with the EDP i dont want to spend the money 
on cables there...

So my question is, would any one recommend balanced cables concerning my 
EDP's to help eliminate noise from my rig?

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Arguably the most sophisticated of the EDP loop IV users, Andre
LaFosse has told me repeatedly that he feels that people don't learn
the Loop 3 features well enough before jumping into the Loop IV
depth.

I hear what he says and it should be duly noted because he knows vastly more
than I do on the subject but..............

I have had the ability to do both and I feel that the instrument you have
with Loop IV is the instrument you have and that all it's features are
valid.

Of course you will be come a gratuitous 'stutter fiend' for the first couple
of weeks but I find myself settling in to learning the whole beast in
a wholistic way by learning the new features at the same time that I learn
the old
features.

does this make sense?

I'd argue, buy LOOP IV (and also support our fearless non-leader Kim Flint
in the process) and get both manuals.

You will of course need to buy an EDP from GIBSON and the LOOP IV software
directly
from KIM.

There still is no word when the EDP plus will actually start shipping.

Hopefully soon.   In the meantime the only major difference that I can
detect (and please correct me if I'm wrong Andre or Kim or Matthias) is that
the new Black faced
units will be legal to sell in Europe (which the old ones are not).

yours, semi-ignorantly but rapidly leaving that realm,   Rick Walker
(loop.pool)



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> Mark Hamburg wrote:
> 
> on 2/13/03 7:50 AM, David Beardsley at db@biink.com wrote:
 >
> find a MIDI guitar ...I generally didn't find them as expressive as 
> straight guitar.
>

Yes, I agree. The way I like to use MIDI Guitar is to play the natural
guitar sound up front and back it up by other sound sources triggered by
the midi signal generated by your playing. As in this little improvised
piece 
http://www.boysen.se/audio/fishmusic.mp3 
performed live with midi guitar, analog synth and a sampler with looped
samples assigned to certain notes on the fretboard.

I have experimented also with midi arpeggiators like the Oberheim
Cyclone and the MC-303 arpeggiator but I never found my own voice there
and dropped that technique. 

Best wishes

Per Boysen
________________
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www.looproom.com --> 1st Swedish Looping Festival 

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The new software does a bunch of stuff that was only possible on Loop III by
using MIDI.
You don't have to play every note on your instrument in order to express
yourself.
I totally agree with Rick Walker's statement:  "the instrument you have
with Loop IV is the instrument you have and all it's features are
valid."
I say, get the Loop IV chip and if you don't think it's worth $100, sell it
on eBay.
I bet you won't tho . . .
Gary
(not much of a glitcher)


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Aye carumba,

With regards to Rick and Gary's comments on LoopIV vs. LoopIII, let me
try and clarify/state my own point of view, so as to not be
misinterpreted or misunderstood.

I don't particularly feel that someone has to master LoopIII before they
can justify getting LoopIV.  What I do have some issues with is the
tendency to want to dive into the more sophisticated functions of the
Echoplex without having a good solid foundation on the basic functions. 
Or worse yet, never even getting a good grasp on what the basic functions
are.  This holds true regardless of which software version is being used.

A few examples of what I'm talking about:

1) After doing a clinic at the Y2K2 Santa Cruz festival in July of 2002,
one fellow (a very fine musician who had been using the EDP for at least
six years by that point) came up and asked me if the Unrounded Multiply
was new to LoopIV.  The answer, of course, is that it's been part of the
software ever since the EDP was first released about eight years ago.

2) In early 2002, I had an exchange with another very talented,
long-term (six-plus years in 2002) EDP user, who remarked that one
feature he'd really like to see in a future software version was a
SUS-action Record, to allow very quick loop lengths to be achieved in a
momentary manner.  As I told him, this feature has also been standard in
the EDP ever since its initial release back around 1994.

3) Shortly after uploading some EDP solos in December of 2001, I heard
from one of the members of the LoopIV beta test team, who had heard the
material and automatically assumed, from the sound of the tracks, that I
already HAD a version of LoopIV.  But all of that particular material
was done using LoopIII and a standard EFC-7 footcontroller.

4) At a clinic at Kim's back in August of last year, I was demonstrating
the idea that Feedback could be used to scale back the level in just one
part of a loop, without affecting the overall loop level, and without
just doing a fade-out.  Several people immediately asked what I was
doing, and if it was new to LoopIV.  But here again, it's been a
standard part of the EDP from day one.

The point here is not to toot my own horn, but simply to say that I
think it's very important to try and cultivate a deep and thorough
knowledge of the foundation of whatever sort of "system" you're making
music with.  If your system is playing jazz guitar, then I think you
should learn how to play "Autumn Leaves" before you try to tackle "Giant
Steps."  If your system is rock guitar, then learn a minor pentatonic
scale before you start hunting for a Van Halen transcription.  If you're
a fusion drummer, try to cultivate a solid 4/4 backbeat before you
transcribe Dave Weckl solos.

And if your system is the Echoplex, then I personally am a strong
advocate of learning the thing from a very "foundational" point of view.
Meaning that you first get acquainted with Record, and its various
permutations and parameters (and there are a lot).  Then you work your
way from left to right across the front panel - it's no coincidence that
the functions are laid out the way that they are, because they each
progressively build on and expand basic concepts that were introduced in
earlier, more "basic" functions.

One thing I've found with the EDP is that the more any one facet of its
design is understood, the more the overall thing comes into focus.  By
the same token, however, if you don't spend a certain amount of time
learning the fundamentals, you might end up with holes in your knowledge
you don't even know you have... which would end up getting in the way of
things you'd like to do down the road (as in example number 2 above),
and might keep you from trying out things you'd like to do, but didn't
even know were there in the first place.  

(Case in point: a year ago, a guy emailed me to say that he was about to
get rid of his EDP because he didn't use it nearly as much as his
Repeater, but heard the December 2001 solos and was intrigued.  The last
I heard, this same guy was now seriously thinking about selling his
Repeater to help finance a second EDP purchase).

Certainly, if you want to get into more sophisticated types of Echoplex
functions, I would personally stress understanding the EDP from the
ground floor up.  I've seen a fair number of people getting more and
more interested in the highly active, glitchy/stuttery side of things,
but not necessarily understanding what some of the roots of those sorts
of techniques are, where certain parameters are located, how they impact
the techniques in question, etc.

My own personal take on that sort of technique is that, yes, some of it
has to do with understanding how a few specific functions operate, and
some of it has to do with features in LoopIV that weren't available in
LoopIII.  But a big part of the reason I sound the way I do with LoopIV
is because I spent six years working with LoopIII beforehand.  That
doesn't mean it should take everyone else six years (hey, I'm a slow
learner!), but it does mean that, from my point of view, that sort of
thing will ultimately be easier and more fluid if you understand the basics.

So no, I definitely don't think you have to master the "old" Echoplex
before you should upgrade the software.  I simply subscribe to a certain
approach to learning and using any musical instrument.  And I understand
that my ideas about the EDP are pretty atypical of how most people
approach it, and that not a lot of other players will share this view -
nor do they need to, if they have an approach they're satisfied with.

Anyway...

--Andre LaFosse
The Echoplex Analysis Pages:
http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP

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Stuart,

assuming there were a couple of other guys from the UK that were interested,
or there were some expenses, I may be up for driving over to Paris... I'm
not going to pay full whack to come out and play, but I would love to come
over... I've played in paris before and really enjoyed it...

keep me posted!

Steve
www.steve-lawson.co.uk

> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm trying to get together a loopfest (or a couple of loopfests) in
> > June for when Rick descends on Paris, and I might have found a really
> > cool venue. Its called the Batofar:
> > http://www.parissi.com/party/club/batofar.htm
> >
> > Their own site is down, but that was a good write-up that I found
> > whilst googling, and the picture sums up the place. It is an old
> > lighthouse boat, moored along the Seine... I think it holds just
> > 200-250 people max, but it is always a good crowd. Its a trendy place,
> > and often means queuing outside for an hour or two if you arrive after
> > 11pm...
> >
> > There is a chance of holding a live-loop fest there on a good stage,
> > and with a very good sound system. They have videoing and recording
> > facilities too....
> >
> > So, before I contact the organiser, I already know of Andy Soto who
> > would probably be able to make it, plus a small number of local
> > loopers.... would anyone else be interested in taking part? There might
> > not be that much money (if any) to share, but I think it could be a
> > very cool night in a very cool place, and could really put live looping
> > on the Parisian map. There is the potential to create a very long night
> > (6+ hours).
> >
> > Email me at loopfest@solostring.com if you are interested
> >
> > Cheers,
> > --
> > Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com
> >
> >
>


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At 12:24 AM 2/14/2003, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote:
>Arguably the most sophisticated of the EDP loop IV users, Andre
>LaFosse has told me repeatedly that he feels that people don't learn
>the Loop 3 features well enough before jumping into the Loop IV
>depth.

Or more that many people don't go past the most basic ideas of Record and 
Overdub and miss so many useful and creative things beyond that.

That's not really a fault though - I think any new musical device just 
requires time for people to really get the ideas under their fingers well 
enough to develop their music around it.

And it also requires examples to inspire - sometimes you see somebody else 
using it to make music you really like, and using techniques that you had 
never yet thought of or figured out how to use. Once you get that 
inspiration you run off to try those ideas for your own music. Sometimes it 
takes a while for the pioneers to get good enough to start inspiring others.


>I have had the ability to do both and I feel that the instrument you have
>with Loop IV is the instrument you have and that all it's features are
>valid.
>
>Of course you will be come a gratuitous 'stutter fiend' for the first couple
>of weeks but I find myself settling in to learning the whole beast in
>a wholistic way by learning the new features at the same time that I learn
>the old features.

In fact, many of the things about LoopIV are just totally practical. It's 
just easier to use for many applications. It isn't correct at all to see 
LoopIV as only some set of extra "super-advanced" features beyond what was 
in LoopIII. LoopIV is also a huge refinement of the features that were 
already there, making it all better.

For example, the glitchy granular stuff gets a lot of attention and is lots 
of fun, but to me the new Sync functions in LoopIV are far more exciting. 
They are so useful and practical! ReAlign is a really fantastic idea. These 
things aren't really "advanced". If you need to sync the echoplex up to 
something else, I think you will just find these functions very obvious and 
incredibly useful.

There are other things like that as well, features that people have asked 
for years just to make the echoplex easier to use. Like Presets, or the 
visual feedback display, or the easier to use midi implementation. There's 
nothing advanced about those, they're just practical.


>I'd argue, buy LOOP IV (and also support our fearless non-leader Kim Flint
>in the process) and get both manuals.
>
>You will of course need to buy an EDP from GIBSON and the LOOP IV software
>directly from KIM.

Actually you buy it from Aurisis, which also includes Matthias and Eric. 
You support Matthias more than the rest of us, since he's really had the 
biggest role and so far is the only one able to live off it!

kim


______________________________________________________________________
Kim Flint                     | Looper's Delight
kflint@loopers-delight.com    | http://www.loopers-delight.com

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At 11:22 PM 2/13/2003, Looping9string@aol.com wrote:
>Does the Gibson EDP function with balanced cables?

no, it is unbalanced in and out.

>Or would it make no difference either way?
>
>I have a lot of noise in my rig and its been suggested that I switch 
>everything to balanced cable where applicable...

if the devices you use don't have balanced audio i/o, then balanced cabling 
for sure isn't going to make any difference.

It might not make much difference anyway. Figure out what it is in your 
system that is the source of the noise and figure out how to make it stop. 
Also, adjust gains properly, use correct grounding, properly shielded 
cables, etc.

kim


______________________________________________________________________
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> he feels that people don't learn
>  the Loop 3 features well enough before jumping into the Loop IV
>  depth.
>  
>  I hear what he says

The Loop4 software does the Loop3 stuff better.
A number of bug fixes.
Better more accurate MIDI sync.
Numeric display of feedback.
Improved NextLoop options.
Consistant Rounding behaviour (whatever that is:-)
...etc

So even if you don't want glitchy stuff,
stutters, loop windowing, half speed,
the ability to set tempo manually,
presets, and the new Interface Modes
( which exploit every posssible rational use
of  the feedback pedal, and one irrational one)
it's still worth going to loop 4

For a beginner, using basic functions, Loop4
works the same as Loop3.
Its only when you get to the really advanced Loop3 stuff
that's there's any difference, in which case there isn't 
much advantage to learning all the loop3 quirks if you're 
going to upgrade to loop4.

Loop4 makes it very easy to achieve some very unusual effects
even for a beginner (controlling them musically might come later;-)


Kim's new manual replaces the two 
(loop3 + loop4 additions ) manuals currently
available, and improves upon them.
Should be online soon.

Vote loop4

andy butler

  

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Hi,

I had a problem with my DAW recording gear offering only four analog
inputs and my looping rig using six outputs (Instrument, EDP and 4
Repeater outputs). So I came up with what I initially looked at as "a
workaround" but then I found it to be a nice concept for recording
improvised performances with multiple outputs loopers.

The trick was to split the Instrument signal and record only the dry
instrument signal on one track at the same as I also recorded the midi
data produced by my FCB1010 foot controller. Then I could rewire and
send the recorded audio track into the loopers while feeding them with
the recorded midi track and have my performance "re-performed". 

At this stage there is room for the decision: "Is this good for keeping
or should I trash it and do one more take?". I you decide to keep it,
you rewire a bit more, run the sequencer and record every looper and
looper track as a separate audio track. When doing this you have plenty
of time to optimize recording levels and pick the best analog compressor
and EQ gear to for the best sound. I did this procedure five times and
ended up with a six audio track song to mix in Logic. And it was exactly
the way I improvised it as a firsttake! 

I like this method since you can work really fast and crate loads of
music in that first phase, before you sit down and recreate the separate
looper tracks. 

Best wishes

Per Boysen
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Hi all.

In a message dated 2/13/03 5:03:52 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net writes:

>They're really not as expressive as a guitar.

I agree to some extent. I've been playing Roland guitar synths for 
years and at best they can sound *like* other instruments tonal 
textures (in a pinch) but seem to inhibit the ability to play those 
instruments with the same *feel* as the originals for the most 
part.

That is not to say that I don't find them useful. I do. I've kept at it. 
And while I'm no Glen Gould on a MIDI guitar piano patch (or Wynton 
Marsallis on a trumpet patch) I've gotten better. Most of what I 
use it for is to *ghost* certain sounds behind whatever guitar 
sound I'm doing anyway. I hardly ever use the synth sound *solo*
by itself.

Trying to play another instruments sounds through the interface
of a guitar is somewhat frustrating. Trying to get the same sort
of *expressive* control as the original instrument is so daunting
a task that one might reconsider going ahead and learning the
original sometimes.

But, there are rewards enough along the way. I still happen to 
think that MIDI guitars have their place. I've been struggling
with mine for years (an older model GR-1) and feel I've finally
gotten a few things under control at last. 

Looping with one adds to the variety one can achieve. One can
actually make a rudimentary percussion loop, do chordal work 
with non-guitar voices and solo with guitar on top with fairly
satisfactory results. One can also scramble the above paradigm,
turn it inside out and upside down for other creative horizons.

I find it kind of nice to have a whole bunch of sounds under my 
fingertips. And, the difficulty I've had trying to duplicate those 
other instruments has given me a greater appreciation for
the folks who are really good at them. Given a choice I'd much
rather play with someone who is good on the *real* instrument
(no matter what it is) than "make do"  with my own silly, ersatz
approximations.

Best,

tEd � kiLLiAn

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>Anything special planned? Start a bit early...let people do
>solo sets seperated by duos and/or trios?

Yes, we have at least one special thing planned -- I have
purchased a lot of serving utensils and will be getting
food to sell and will darn well get Stv into really having
things to sell and a system to sell them!

It's a "surprise" though I talked to him about all my
plans as a hypothetical a month ago and he was gung-ho.

I like the idea of starting early and having specific
sessions... we'll do it!

Sign up here, now!!!


>I was asking stv jns about this earlier this evening....damm it's cold
>outside!

You bet -- it's cold in my otherwise-lovely-and-well-situated-loft,
too.  Sorry I missed your show, I ended up working till
very late for a deadline today (which I delivered to very
nicely, yaaay!!!)

     /t
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http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday!
http://extremeNY.com/calendar .................................. the calendar.
http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar.

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--- "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" <GLOBAL@cruzio.com> wrote:

> There still is no word when the EDP plus will actually start shipping.

Musician's Fiend claims "2-4 weeks".

Greg


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something that works well and might help you: have your unbalanced =
cables terminate their sheild at the destination and not connected at =
the source.  this helps any extraneous noises drain into the chassis of =
the receiving unit.

my entire rig is almost exclusively unbalanced and i have zero noise and =
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-jim

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  <smile>  I'd like to chime in if I might, and agree with Andre.  I think
this same sort of idea happened with the Repeater, in the sense that people
were disapointed when Electrix folded, saying that the software could have
had so many features and now would never be revised.   Well, the software
HAS a whole bunch of amazing features as it is!   <smile>   It does some
amazing things!   
  Re:   Stutteries on the EDP, again, I agree.  the coolest way to do the
whole stuttery bit for me at this point, doesn't use any Loop IV features
at all!   It's not even quantized.   It's just the sus record function, and
that's it.   And I think it sounds great!   
  I think it's a very good idea to work with something in an order that
makes sense to you, and that allows you to  build on what you've learned,
and grow, freeing you up.  -and also USING what you learn, as you  go.  Not
only will you develop technique and understanding, but also your own style
and voice with what it is you're learning.  -just my thoughts...  

Smiles,

Cara

At 01:26 AM 2/14/03 -0800, you wrote:
>Aye carumba,
>
>With regards to Rick and Gary's comments on LoopIV vs. LoopIII, let me
>try and clarify/state my own point of view, so as to not be
>misinterpreted or misunderstood.
>
>I don't particularly feel that someone has to master LoopIII before they
>can justify getting LoopIV.  What I do have some issues with is the
>tendency to want to dive into the more sophisticated functions of the
>Echoplex without having a good solid foundation on the basic functions. 
>Or worse yet, never even getting a good grasp on what the basic functions
>are.  This holds true regardless of which software version is being used.
>
>A few examples of what I'm talking about:
>
>1) After doing a clinic at the Y2K2 Santa Cruz festival in July of 2002,
>one fellow (a very fine musician who had been using the EDP for at least
>six years by that point) came up and asked me if the Unrounded Multiply
>was new to LoopIV.  The answer, of course, is that it's been part of the
>software ever since the EDP was first released about eight years ago.
>
>2) In early 2002, I had an exchange with another very talented,
>long-term (six-plus years in 2002) EDP user, who remarked that one
>feature he'd really like to see in a future software version was a
>SUS-action Record, to allow very quick loop lengths to be achieved in a
>momentary manner.  As I told him, this feature has also been standard in
>the EDP ever since its initial release back around 1994.
>
>3) Shortly after uploading some EDP solos in December of 2001, I heard
>from one of the members of the LoopIV beta test team, who had heard the
>material and automatically assumed, from the sound of the tracks, that I
>already HAD a version of LoopIV.  But all of that particular material
>was done using LoopIII and a standard EFC-7 footcontroller.
>
>4) At a clinic at Kim's back in August of last year, I was demonstrating
>the idea that Feedback could be used to scale back the level in just one
>part of a loop, without affecting the overall loop level, and without
>just doing a fade-out.  Several people immediately asked what I was
>doing, and if it was new to LoopIV.  But here again, it's been a
>standard part of the EDP from day one.
>
>The point here is not to toot my own horn, but simply to say that I
>think it's very important to try and cultivate a deep and thorough
>knowledge of the foundation of whatever sort of "system" you're making
>music with.  If your system is playing jazz guitar, then I think you
>should learn how to play "Autumn Leaves" before you try to tackle "Giant
>Steps."  If your system is rock guitar, then learn a minor pentatonic
>scale before you start hunting for a Van Halen transcription.  If you're
>a fusion drummer, try to cultivate a solid 4/4 backbeat before you
>transcribe Dave Weckl solos.
>
>And if your system is the Echoplex, then I personally am a strong
>advocate of learning the thing from a very "foundational" point of view.
>Meaning that you first get acquainted with Record, and its various
>permutations and parameters (and there are a lot).  Then you work your
>way from left to right across the front panel - it's no coincidence that
>the functions are laid out the way that they are, because they each
>progressively build on and expand basic concepts that were introduced in
>earlier, more "basic" functions.
>
>One thing I've found with the EDP is that the more any one facet of its
>design is understood, the more the overall thing comes into focus.  By
>the same token, however, if you don't spend a certain amount of time
>learning the fundamentals, you might end up with holes in your knowledge
>you don't even know you have... which would end up getting in the way of
>things you'd like to do down the road (as in example number 2 above),
>and might keep you from trying out things you'd like to do, but didn't
>even know were there in the first place.  
>
>(Case in point: a year ago, a guy emailed me to say that he was about to
>get rid of his EDP because he didn't use it nearly as much as his
>Repeater, but heard the December 2001 solos and was intrigued.  The last
>I heard, this same guy was now seriously thinking about selling his
>Repeater to help finance a second EDP purchase).
>
>Certainly, if you want to get into more sophisticated types of Echoplex
>functions, I would personally stress understanding the EDP from the
>ground floor up.  I've seen a fair number of people getting more and
>more interested in the highly active, glitchy/stuttery side of things,
>but not necessarily understanding what some of the roots of those sorts
>of techniques are, where certain parameters are located, how they impact
>the techniques in question, etc.
>
>My own personal take on that sort of technique is that, yes, some of it
>has to do with understanding how a few specific functions operate, and
>some of it has to do with features in LoopIV that weren't available in
>LoopIII.  But a big part of the reason I sound the way I do with LoopIV
>is because I spent six years working with LoopIII beforehand.  That
>doesn't mean it should take everyone else six years (hey, I'm a slow
>learner!), but it does mean that, from my point of view, that sort of
>thing will ultimately be easier and more fluid if you understand the basics.
>
>So no, I definitely don't think you have to master the "old" Echoplex
>before you should upgrade the software.  I simply subscribe to a certain
>approach to learning and using any musical instrument.  And I understand
>that my ideas about the EDP are pretty atypical of how most people
>approach it, and that not a lot of other players will share this view -
>nor do they need to, if they have an approach they're satisfied with.
>
>Anyway...
>
>--Andre LaFosse
>The Echoplex Analysis Pages:
>http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP
>
>


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greetings loopaz...

some of you may know that i am opening up a custom
handmade bass shop in manhattan (and if you don't, now
you do) and my partner is interested in picking up a
repeater for a trade.

he'd like to trade a neuser
(http://www.neuserbasses.com/) handmade bass (we've
got a few different ones so email for more info) for a
repeater.

we also have over 150 other quality basses and tons of
guitars and other miscellaneous gear.  so if anyone is
interested in working out a trade, please email me
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  Hey All!, Happy Valentine's Day!...   

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Hi all,

I've had a lot of replies offlist since my last posting, and due to 
lack of time, I'm having difficulty in replying personally to your 
emails... so please excuse my hijacking of the list  to keep everyone 
updated in one post.

The date for the loopfest will be the weekend of 28th and 29th of June. 
I'm hunting for a location to possibly hold a full weekend of looped 
music - this is just due to the overwhelming response I have had from 
loopers wanting to play.

I'm going to try some large venues, organisations and also the city 
hall to try and get the space/equipment/people/money to set something 
like this up. If I manage to sell this idea to the right people, it 
could become a major event. Paris is in need of something new 
musically.....

Regarding money, I'm not promising anything at the moment. Please 
consider that you might have to regard this loopfest as a holiday... 
you might have to pay for your own travel/accommodation/food etc..... 
but I know that many musicians like myself are poverty cases and could 
not come if they were not reimbursed for their expenses. I have a zero 
budget myself, and cannot put a penny into this idea, but I can put in 
time. So I'm going to try my hardest to get everyone a professional 
salary/rider for their time here.

Please also be aware that I am not going to promise that I can pull 
this off. I'm an Englishman in Paris, and so far, Paris has always be 
against me. I've not managed to really get my door in anywhere other 
than the street.... so this is a big dream that might not work. But 
I'll try :)

If anyone wants to propose themselves for the portfolio of loopers, 
please send an email to loopfest@solostring.com with (if applicable):
* Biog (just write something about yourself, what you do, how you use 
loops etc)
* Photo (Nothing too high-res)
* Website link
* link to mp3's  (please don't mail them) <--- I'm going to make a demo 
CD. Please only provide a live set... in other words, how it will sound 
live.

If you have no photo's/mp3's/website, then just write something.....  
I'll make it look glitzy.

I'll get all of this into a pamphlet and mailbomb every bloody contact 
that I have in my 'Official de la musique' bible..... :)

Cheers!

P.S. Can anyone translate English into French without making the 
translation look like it was written by a 3 year old?

-- 
Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com

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Andre so eloquently stated,

> Aye carumba,

> ...  What I do have some issues with is the
> tendency to want to dive into the more sophisticated functions of the
> Echoplex without having a good solid foundation on the basic
> functions.
> Or worse yet, never even getting a good grasp on what the basic
> functions
> are.


Andre,

I agree totally.  However, I find the manual(s) confusing and difficult
to follow.  It's hard to even know what's in the box, let alone how to
use it.

It would be great if you or some other Echoplex Master would put
together an ECHOPLEX TUTORIAL VIDEO.  I bet a two-hour video could cover
the basic front-panel functions pretty thoroughly.  What I would really
like to see, is an oral explanation of the functions, in some logical
order, with an audio example illustrating each and every fuction, with
alternate endings and discussions of how quantization and SUS modes
affect the functions.  Just the basic meat-and-potatoes using the front
panel, no MIDI or other advanced strangeness.

Andre, you would be the perfect person to star in such an ECHOPLEX
TUTORIAL VIDEO!


Is there anyone else out there who might like to see an ECHOPLEX
TUTORIAL VIDEO as described?  If so, how much would it be worth to you?


-Hans

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     I e-mailed Musician's Friend and the $800+ price does not include the foot controller. This in relationship to a LD post saying that the foot controller was included in the price.
     If there's any store that offers the whole "shebang" for that price range, I might be interested.

                    
                         Ciao, James

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    I agree with Hans. "Loop IV 4 Dummies":) James

> 
> Andre so eloquently stated,
> 
> > Aye carumba,
> 
> > ...  What I do have some issues with is the
> > tendency to want to dive into the more sophisticated functions of the
> > Echoplex without having a good solid foundation on the basic
> > functions.
> > Or worse yet, never even getting a good grasp on what the basic
> > functions
> > are.
> 
> 
> Andre,
> 
> I agree totally.  However, I find the manual(s) confusing and difficult
> to follow.  It's hard to even know what's in the box, let alone how to
> use it.
> 
> It would be great if you or some other Echoplex Master would put
> together an ECHOPLEX TUTORIAL VIDEO.  I bet a two-hour video could cover
> the basic front-panel functions pretty thoroughly.  What I would really
> like to see, is an oral explanation of the functions, in some logical
> order, with an audio example illustrating each and every fuction, with
> alternate endings and discussions of how quantization and SUS modes
> affect the functions.  Just the basic meat-and-potatoes using the front
> panel, no MIDI or other advanced strangeness.
> 
> Andre, you would be the perfect person to star in such an ECHOPLEX
> TUTORIAL VIDEO!
> 
> 
> Is there anyone else out there who might like to see an ECHOPLEX
> TUTORIAL VIDEO as described?  If so, how much would it be 
> worth to you?
> 
> 
> -Hans

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     I e-mailed Musician's Friend and the $800+ price does not include the foot controller. This in relationship to a LD post saying that the foot controller was included in the price.
     If there's any store that offers the whole "shebang" for that price range, I might be interested.

                    
                         Ciao, James

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This kind of learning material would be great.  I  know for myself, going through the Loop III manual with each function, I was somewhat lost or uncertain if I was doing it right and getting the intended effect.  At the very least, if an audio cd could be produced that followed along with the manual and gave an auditory example of what each function could/should sound like, then at least for me it would make more sense.

Steve Ginn

On Friday, February 14, 2003, at 09:58AM, Hans Lindauer <hans@ernieball.com> wrote:

>Andre so eloquently stated,
>
>> Aye carumba,
>
>> ...  What I do have some issues with is the
>> tendency to want to dive into the more sophisticated functions of the
>> Echoplex without having a good solid foundation on the basic
>> functions.
>> Or worse yet, never even getting a good grasp on what the basic
>> functions
>> are.
>
>
>Andre,
>
>I agree totally.  However, I find the manual(s) confusing and difficult
>to follow.  It's hard to even know what's in the box, let alone how to
>use it.
>
>It would be great if you or some other Echoplex Master would put
>together an ECHOPLEX TUTORIAL VIDEO.  I bet a two-hour video could cover
>the basic front-panel functions pretty thoroughly.  What I would really
>like to see, is an oral explanation of the functions, in some logical
>order, with an audio example illustrating each and every fuction, with
>alternate endings and discussions of how quantization and SUS modes
>affect the functions.  Just the basic meat-and-potatoes using the front
>panel, no MIDI or other advanced strangeness.
>
>Andre, you would be the perfect person to star in such an ECHOPLEX
>TUTORIAL VIDEO!
>
>
>Is there anyone else out there who might like to see an ECHOPLEX
>TUTORIAL VIDEO as described?  If so, how much would it be worth to you?
>
>
>-Hans
>
>
>

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I've been toying with the idea of replacing my GR-30 with an Axon NGC-77 midi
converter.  I'm thinking that since I don't use the GR-30 sounds, I'd rather
just have a better Hex/midi converter.  Anyone have experience with the Axon?
Is it worth the extra cash (probably about $200-300 more used) for the Axon or
should I stay where I am.  I think the tracking on the GR-30 is actually pretty
good, I'm just not all that into it's sounds, but that's just my opinion.
Fripp seems to like them a lot.

Mark Sottilaro

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 Did I read correctly that when you purchase the Loop IV upgrade you also receive a new manual that Kim has created that incorporates all of the functions from Loop III and Loop IV together?  Also, this new manual will be made available as a PDF file shortly?

Thanks,
Steve

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I'm in the camp that most synthesis should sound synthetic.  I've toyed
with a few patches that mimic real instruments, and I always feel
disappointed.  When I hear other people doing it, I'm similarly
disappointed, even when they're John McLaughlin.

I remember a quote from Rick Walker where he says, "I love drum machines, I
just want them to sound like appliances."  I know what he means.

On the other hand, you can make some pretty weird sounds by doing a lot of
bending with a piano patch.  Imagine a piano with a whammy bar.  Now that
would take some muscle to operate.

Mark Sottilaro.

ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote:

>  at best they can sound *like* other instruments tonal
> textures (in a pinch) but seem to inhibit the ability to play those
> instruments with the same *feel* as the originals for the most
> part.

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     I'm selling a 5 month old GNX3 with a SimpleTech SmartMedia 3V 64MB for $450. Also includes the owner's manual. If interested please e-mail me offline.


                         Thanks, James

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>At 10:21 AM 2/1/2003, Michael LaMeyer wrote:
>>Sorry Steve, it seems that replies to my posts go to me and not the list.
>>I'm not sure how to resolve this apart from setting up a separate profile
>>for this list and making the reply-to Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com.
>>Anyone have any helpful hints here?
>
>Michael, you should not have the reply-to field set to anything at 
>all. This field is only there for people who want to redirect 
>replies to a different address from the one they send from. Since 
>you have reply-to set to the same thing as your main address, this 
>is obviously not the case for you. You should not be using this 
>field at all.

I do use this field, since I dont send out of grob.org, but I do not 
cause that problem, do I?
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Fundamental trick, Per!

>The trick was to split the Instrument signal and record only the dry
>instrument signal on one track at the same as I also recorded the midi
>data produced by my FCB1010 foot controller. Then I could rewire and
>send the recorded audio track into the loopers while feeding them with
>the recorded midi track and have my performance "re-performed".

the next step is to rebuild the loops in the DAW instead of the loopers.
this gives you better quality (since you dont run twice through 
analog again) and more precision in remixing the loops as you can 
take them to separate tracks, pan, effect and so on. Its more work 
though. But not so much, if the DAW has its timing fit with the loop 
length so you can edit the loops quantized to the grid.
I posted a cook book for the Performer.
Now I want to find out how its done in Nuendo, since I love it much 
more for editing.
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>  > >While I do obviously do a lot of looping, I wouldn't class my 
>profession as
>  > >being a looper... a musician who uses looping, yes, but I'm no more a
>>  >looper than I am an amplified musician or a processed musician, 
>>in that sense...
>>
>>  ok, looper is not a profession for you... so bassist (bass player?)
>>  is not either?
>>  I am asking, since we think that a loop tool is neither an effect or
>>  amplifier (as you compare it to here) nor an instrument.
>>  i dont call myself Loop-engineer yet either :-)
>
>No, I wouldn't say my profession is a bassist either, strictly. I get paid
>to play music. Most of the people listening couldn't care less what the
>instrument is, some don't know that it's a bass (6 strings=guitar, of
>course), and most don't get what looping is about. I guess this is heading
>into sticky territory, as to take the notion that what your profession is is
>what the people who are paying you think you are doing is probably not a
>great path to go down.
>
>Oh bollocks, it doesn't really matter either way - am I a pro looper? yes
>and no. Am I a pro bassist? yes and no. Am I an entertainer? yes and no. Am
>I a stand up comic? sadly, no. ;o) Do I get paid for doing what I love
>doing, regardless of labels? yes. is that what really matters? yes. Is this
>email a waste of electrons? most definitely.

you probably simply dont want to be called anything.
Rick sais there is a name for this "disease" :-)
I dont need a title for your style of profession, because I 
understood what you do.
Since others call themselves professional loopers, the expression exists.
Since you are a professional writer (oh sorry, probably you dont 
think you are :-) and you dont care about definitions of new words, 
why should I.
Probably my sickness :-)
a waste of electrons? no, not for me, thank you!

Matthias
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thank you very much, Andree, Kim and Andy for your explanations!
I fully agree to all of it (and trashed my answer I had already typed)

Main points:
It very helpfull (not really needed) to have an idea of all the 
functions you have available. To use them is a completely different 
thing because it requires that:
- they fit to the music you hear (or dream off or what...)
- you need practice to use them and understand the related parameters

For me, there is too much talk about Loop4 requiring a MIDI pedal. It 
may be helpfull depending on what you want to do, but you can do a 
LOT without one.

>Actually you buy it from Aurisis, which also includes Matthias and 
>Eric. You support Matthias more than the rest of us, since he's 
>really had the biggest role and so far is the only one able to live 
>off it!

just move to a cheap country and you can live off your part, too, Kim! :-)
Its really hot here though, lately, hard to keep working hard...
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3 oblique strategies for our bored Mark :=)
1- GR sound on
send some rythmic sequences of (random or not ) program changes to the
gr3o and play it

2- Give the apegiaztor anothe try it is more fun than youd expect

3- send the gr sounds in a filter like the 4 pole sequence the filter

I like my gr

Claude


> I've been toying with the idea of replacing my GR-30 with an Axon
NGC-77 midi
> converter.  I'm thinking that since I don't use the GR-30 sounds, I'd
rather
> just have a better Hex/midi converter.  Anyone have experience with
the Axon?
> Is it worth the extra cash (probably about $200-300 more used) for the
Axon or
> should I stay where I am.  I think the tracking on the GR-30 is
actually pretty
> good, I'm just not all that into it's sounds, but that's just my
opinion.
> Fripp seems to like them a lot.
>
> Mark Sottilaro
>
>

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> Did I read correctly that when you purchase the Loop IV upgrade you
also receive a new manual that Kim has created that incorporates all of
the functions from Loop III and Loop IV together?  Also, this new manual
will be made available as a PDF file shortly?

oui monsieur

Kim is the EDP manual hero

Claude

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I have to admit that I've never played with the arpeggator much, though
I've seen Bill Walker do really cool stuff with it.  Am I correct in the
fact that the GR-33 arpeggator isn't as good as the 30's?  I have been
playing with the Korg MS8000's arpeggator and that's pretty fun.  The
Roland MC-307 has a pretty good arpeggeator as well.

but, as per my original question...

would I get better tracking with the Axon or is it not worth my time and
money?

Mark Sottilaro

Claude Voit wrote:

> 3 oblique strategies for our bored Mark :=)
> 1- GR sound on
> send some rythmic sequences of (random or not ) program changes to the
> gr3o and play it
>
> 2- Give the apegiaztor anothe try it is more fun than youd expect
>
> 3- send the gr sounds in a filter like the 4 pole sequence the filter
>
> I like my gr
>
> Claude
>
> > I've been toying with the idea of replacing my GR-30 with an Axon
> NGC-77 midi
> > converter.  I'm thinking that since I don't use the GR-30 sounds, I'd
> rather
> > just have a better Hex/midi converter.  Anyone have experience with
> the Axon?
> > Is it worth the extra cash (probably about $200-300 more used) for the
> Axon or
> > should I stay where I am.  I think the tracking on the GR-30 is
> actually pretty
> > good, I'm just not all that into it's sounds, but that's just my
> opinion.
> > Fripp seems to like them a lot.
> >
> > Mark Sottilaro
> >
> >

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Anyone using one of the VG systems I would to hear more about this one.

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I have to admit that I've never played with the arpeggator much, though
I've seen Bill Walker do really cool stuff with it.  Am I correct in the
fact that the GR-33 arpeggator isn't as good as the 30's?  I have been
playing with the Korg MS8000's arpeggator and that's pretty fun.  The
Roland MC-307 has a pretty good arpeggeator as well.

but, as per my original question...

would I get better tracking with the Axon or is it not worth my time and
money?

Mark Sottilaro

Claude Voit wrote:

> 3 oblique strategies for our bored Mark :=)
> 1- GR sound on
> send some rythmic sequences of (random or not ) program changes to the

> gr3o and play it
>
> 2- Give the apegiaztor anothe try it is more fun than youd expect
>
> 3- send the gr sounds in a filter like the 4 pole sequence the filter
>
> I like my gr
>
> Claude
>
> > I've been toying with the idea of replacing my GR-30 with an Axon
> NGC-77 midi
> > converter.  I'm thinking that since I don't use the GR-30 sounds, 
> > I'd
> rather
> > just have a better Hex/midi converter.  Anyone have experience with
> the Axon?
> > Is it worth the extra cash (probably about $200-300 more used) for 
> > the
> Axon or
> > should I stay where I am.  I think the tracking on the GR-30 is
> actually pretty
> > good, I'm just not all that into it's sounds, but that's just my
> opinion.
> > Fripp seems to like them a lot.
> >
> > Mark Sottilaro
> >
> >

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I'm totally skeptical about all the midi pickups and midi conversion systems. I wonder if there is anything out there with no tracking/latency/interface problems at all? I mean I want to play a guitar synthesizer, which means it really is a guitar, and it also really is a synth. I want to be able to use all the methods of producing sound that I currently use with just my guitar (bending, vibrato, tone control from the pick/fingers, legato, palm muting, pick scrapes, muted strumming, harmonics, picking behind the nut, altered tunings etc). I want every nuance of my playing to come through as much as it would with a good overdrive pedal. As a lower priority, if it were possible to also use digitally controlled analog design methods, and use things like midi in/out, a sequencer, an arpeggiator, and split sound strings/fretboard areas, that would be my other request. But, the fact is, I doubt all this is possible in one unit. Maybe my best bet is to go for a GR-300, or build my own, and use it with just looping, in lieu of a sequencer? I honestly haven't done enough research to know.

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<P>I'm totally skeptical about all the midi pickups and midi conversion systems. I wonder if there is anything out there with no tracking/latency/interface problems at all? I mean I want to play a guitar synthesizer, which means it really is a guitar, and it also really is a synth. I want to be able to use all the methods of producing sound&nbsp;that I currently use with just my guitar (bending, vibrato, tone&nbsp;control&nbsp;from the pick/fingers, legato, palm muting, pick scrapes, muted strumming, harmonics, picking behind the nut, altered tunings&nbsp;etc). I want every nuance of my playing to come through as much as it would with a good&nbsp;overdrive pedal. As a lower priority, if it were possible to&nbsp;also use digitally controlled analog design methods, and&nbsp;use things like midi&nbsp;in/out, a sequencer, an arpeggiator, and split sound strings/fretboard areas, that would be my other request. But, the fact is, I doubt all this is possible in one unit. Maybe my best bet is to go for a GR-300, or build my own, and use it with just&nbsp;looping, in&nbsp;lieu of&nbsp;a sequencer? I honestly haven't done enough research to know.</P>
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> Frεn: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] 

> Fundamental trick, Per!
> 
> >The trick was to split the Instrument signal and record only the dry 
> >instrument signal on one track at the same as I also 
> recorded the midi 
> >data produced by my FCB1010 foot controller. Then I could rewire and 
> >send the recorded audio track into the loopers while feeding 
> them with 
> >the recorded midi track and have my performance "re-performed".
> 
> the next step is to rebuild the loops in the DAW instead of 
> the loopers. this gives you better quality (since you dont 
> run twice through 
> analog again) 

Hey - you're talking about "LOOP4 as a software plug-in". That's cool,
but then I would also need the "Repeater software plug-in" and none of
them are avilable ;-)

> and more precision in remixing the loops as you can 
> take them to separate tracks, pan, effect and so on. 

Well, that's what I did and the benefit of the tip I posted ;-)

> though. But not so much, if the DAW has its timing fit with the loop 
> length so you can edit the loops quantized to the grid.

Yes, that's cool, if you want to edit the performance after it was
recorded. 

> I posted a cook book for the Performer.
> Now I want to find out how its done in Nuendo, since I love it much 
> more for editing.

Pretty much the same I would say. Fact is I did this recording in SX
(which is very similar to Nuendo) and then imported the six audio files
into Logic on separate tracks for mixing.

All the best 

per

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i have checked and whoever posted saying that the new EDP+ comes equiped 
with the footcontoller is wrong.  This info came from gibson and they said 
that the units are sold separately, so not such a great deal after all.

peace
matt

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>      I e-mailed Musician's Friend and the $800+ price does not include the 
>foot controller. This in relationship to a LD post saying that the foot 
>controller was included in the price.
>      If there's any store that offers the whole "shebang" for that price 
>range, I might be interested.
>
>
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The closest thing to what you want, that I'm aware of, would be a Roland VG
system.  The VG-8ex is thought by a number of folks to have the best
selection of synth type models, or at least, to get you the most synthy kind
of tone from a guitar, while retaining all of the nuances of a guitar
(because the engine resynthesizes the harmonics of the guitar signal).  I've
heard this firsthand (Philip Lampe, Repeatpeak, et. al.) and I was _very_
impressed with the sounds obtainable.  I've even heard/seen Philip use an
acoustic sitar processed through a VG-8ex to transform/double his amplified
sitar signal with some really unique and pleasant tones.  You can use all of
the guitar techniques you mention, afaik.

The VG-88 just got a V2 upgrade which adds some synth style wave resynthesis
along the lines of the VG-8 (Roland apparently had reduced the abilites of
the original VG-88 in this regard in order to fit more/better guitar and amp
models in; opinions vary on the guitar models, and some even adamantly claim
that at least some of the pickup models are better on the VG-8, but many
folks seem to agree that the amp models are better on the VG-88).  I heard
someone's own samples of the new V2 resynthesis (an analog style tone) and
was very impressed.  The player was able to even use guitar harmonics and do
things that you could not do with an analog synth, all the while maintaining
the expressive techiques available on the guitar.  If I can find some
samples online, I'll post them.  Another big advantage of the harmonic
resynthesis approach is that there is no MIDI conversion latency (in fact
the VG processors do not perform guitar/MIDI conversion at all, it's all
voltage).

Having toyed with guitar synthesis myself for about 10+ years (started with
a Yamaha G-10, which I still have), I decided for myself that processing a
guitar to be 'synthlike' was a far more achievable and expressive option at
this point.  I have a VG-88 myself, and will be upgrading at some point
(probably when I get my GK guitar back from the shop).  If I were going to
look at a true MIDI converter for Guitar, it would be an Axon AX-100.  I
doubt I will do this now, however, as I have invested in a doubleneck Ztar
combining a ztar (which is currently driving a Microwave XT) and electric
guitar with GK hex pickup output (for my VG).

With respect to tracking, all of the testaments I've heard/read on the
Digital Guitar, Midi Guitar, and VG forums I've subscribed to, or browsed,
over the years seem to say that in-saddle piezo pickups are the way to go
for MIDI conversion or VG processing.  I'm still wondering if anyone's going
to pursue MIDI/VG processing using optical pickups, but maybe they are and
I've just missed the press.

Hope this helps,

Mike

-----Original Message-----
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I'm totally skeptical about all the midi pickups and midi conversion
systems. I wonder if there is anything out there with no
tracking/latency/interface problems at all? I mean I want to play a guitar
synthesizer, which means it really is a guitar, and it also really is a
synth. I want to be able to use all the methods of producing sound that I
currently use with just my guitar (bending, vibrato, tone control from the
pick/fingers, legato, palm muting, pick scrapes, muted strumming, harmonics,
picking behind the nut, altered tunings etc). I want every nuance of my
playing to come through as much as it would with a good overdrive pedal. As
a lower priority, if it were possible to also use digitally controlled
analog design methods, and use things like midi in/out, a sequencer, an
arpeggiator, and split sound strings/fretboard areas, that would be my other
request. But, the fact is, I doubt all this is possible in one unit. Maybe
my bes! t bet is to go for a GR-300, or build my own, and use it with just
looping, in lieu of a sequencer? I honestly haven't done enough research to
know.

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Here's the link to the V2 synth resynthesis sample I heard:
http://www.voes.be/vg-88/sounds.html - specifically, the Wave-synth sample.

Btw, the Sitar model now included in V2 (a sample is also featured on the
page above) is not intended to be a model of an acoustic sitar, iirc, but a
model of an electric guitar that has a special bridge which electronically
provided a sitar-like tone (I've seen this instrument played before,
specifically by Dean McGraw, but cannot recall the name at the moment).

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael LaMeyer [mailto:m.lameyer@verizon.net]
> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 5:21 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: RE: Expressive MIDI guitar (a looping source!)
>
>
> The closest thing to what you want, that I'm aware of, would
> be a Roland VG
> system.  The VG-8ex is thought by a number of folks to have the best
> selection of synth type models, or at least, to get you the
> most synthy kind
> of tone from a guitar, while retaining all of the nuances of a guitar
> (because the engine resynthesizes the harmonics of the guitar
> signal).  I've
> heard this firsthand (Philip Lampe, Repeatpeak, et. al.) and
> I was _very_
> impressed with the sounds obtainable.  I've even heard/seen
> Philip use an
> acoustic sitar processed through a VG-8ex to transform/double
> his amplified
> sitar signal with some really unique and pleasant tones.  You
> can use all of
> the guitar techniques you mention, afaik.
>
> The VG-88 just got a V2 upgrade which adds some synth style
> wave resynthesis
> along the lines of the VG-8 (Roland apparently had reduced
> the abilites of
> the original VG-88 in this regard in order to fit more/better
> guitar and amp
> models in; opinions vary on the guitar models, and some even
> adamantly claim
> that at least some of the pickup models are better on the
> VG-8, but many
> folks seem to agree that the amp models are better on the
> VG-88).  I heard
> someone's own samples of the new V2 resynthesis (an analog
> style tone) and
> was very impressed.  The player was able to even use guitar
> harmonics and do
> things that you could not do with an analog synth, all the
> while maintaining
> the expressive techiques available on the guitar.  If I can find some
> samples online, I'll post them.  Another big advantage of the harmonic
> resynthesis approach is that there is no MIDI conversion
> latency (in fact
> the VG processors do not perform guitar/MIDI conversion at
> all, it's all
> voltage).
>
> Having toyed with guitar synthesis myself for about 10+ years
> (started with
> a Yamaha G-10, which I still have), I decided for myself that
> processing a
> guitar to be 'synthlike' was a far more achievable and
> expressive option at
> this point.  I have a VG-88 myself, and will be upgrading at
> some point
> (probably when I get my GK guitar back from the shop).  If I
> were going to
> look at a true MIDI converter for Guitar, it would be an Axon
> AX-100.  I
> doubt I will do this now, however, as I have invested in a
> doubleneck Ztar
> combining a ztar (which is currently driving a Microwave XT)
> and electric
> guitar with GK hex pickup output (for my VG).
>
> With respect to tracking, all of the testaments I've heard/read on the
> Digital Guitar, Midi Guitar, and VG forums I've subscribed
> to, or browsed,
> over the years seem to say that in-saddle piezo pickups are
> the way to go
> for MIDI conversion or VG processing.  I'm still wondering if
> anyone's going
> to pursue MIDI/VG processing using optical pickups, but maybe
> they are and
> I've just missed the press.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kirkland Mack [mailto:kirklandmack@sbcglobal.net]
> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 4:48 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Expressive MIDI guitar (a looping source!)
>
>
> I'm totally skeptical about all the midi pickups and midi conversion
> systems. I wonder if there is anything out there with no
> tracking/latency/interface problems at all? I mean I want to
> play a guitar
> synthesizer, which means it really is a guitar, and it also
> really is a
> synth. I want to be able to use all the methods of producing
> sound that I
> currently use with just my guitar (bending, vibrato, tone
> control from the
> pick/fingers, legato, palm muting, pick scrapes, muted
> strumming, harmonics,
> picking behind the nut, altered tunings etc). I want every
> nuance of my
> playing to come through as much as it would with a good
> overdrive pedal. As
> a lower priority, if it were possible to also use digitally controlled
> analog design methods, and use things like midi in/out, a
> sequencer, an
> arpeggiator, and split sound strings/fretboard areas, that
> would be my other
> request. But, the fact is, I doubt all this is possible in
> one unit. Maybe
> my bes! t bet is to go for a GR-300, or build my own, and use
> it with just
> looping, in lieu of a sequencer? I honestly haven't done
> enough research to
> know.
>
>

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O Lindauer,

> Andre, you would be the perfect person to star in such an ECHOPLEX
> TUTORIAL VIDEO!
> 
> Is there anyone else out there who might like to see an ECHOPLEX
> TUTORIAL VIDEO as described?  If so, how much would it be worth to you?

Hans, you've just transformed yourself into the Echoplex version of the
Obligatory Pre-Planted Infomercial Skeptic!

"Two hours?!  I don't believe it!  How do you do it?  But wait - there's
more?!  AND a set of ginsu knives for free?!?!"

Well rest assured, Hans, I'll do my very best to try and... um,
speculate as to exactly what form such a two-hour tutorial might best
run, and... er, see if it might happen to match up with what your own
ideas might be.  Er, Yeah! - THAT'S the ticket...!

Ya boo,

--Dre

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At 11:19 AM 2/14/2003, Claude Voit wrote:
> > Did I read correctly that when you purchase the Loop IV upgrade you
>also receive a new manual that Kim has created that incorporates all of
>the functions from Loop III and Loop IV together?  Also, this new manual
>will be made available as a PDF file shortly?
>
>oui monsieur
>
>Kim is the EDP manual hero

Thanks Claude! But actually, with the LoopIV upgrade you get the "LoopIV 
Upgrade Manual" which only covers the new features of LoopIV. It is assumed 
you already have a manual for LoopIII related stuff, so we don't repeat it. 
The complete manual I just wrote for Gibson has all of the upgrade material 
in it too, but it is for the new EDP+. We (Aurisis) don't plan to ship the 
complete Gibson manual with upgrades, but hopefully it will be online soon. 
As it is my 8 month old laser printer is nearly dead from printing the 
smaller manual. 310 page manuals will kill it for sure!
kim


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Two thoughts cross my mind.

1) I know I don't use the full depth of Loop III, and I haven't installed my
Loop IV upgrade.
2) I wish there was a single set of documentation explaining all
functionality in a SINGLE manual.



----- Original Message -----
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>
> Arguably the most sophisticated of the EDP loop IV users, Andre
> LaFosse has told me repeatedly that he feels that people don't learn
> the Loop 3 features well enough before jumping into the Loop IV
> depth.
>
> I hear what he says and it should be duly noted because he knows vastly
more
> than I do on the subject but..............
>
> I have had the ability to do both and I feel that the instrument you have
> with Loop IV is the instrument you have and that all it's features are
> valid.
>
> Of course you will be come a gratuitous 'stutter fiend' for the first
couple
> of weeks but I find myself settling in to learning the whole beast in
> a wholistic way by learning the new features at the same time that I learn
> the old
> features.
>
> does this make sense?
>
> I'd argue, buy LOOP IV (and also support our fearless non-leader Kim Flint
> in the process) and get both manuals.
>
> You will of course need to buy an EDP from GIBSON and the LOOP IV software
> directly
> from KIM.
>
> There still is no word when the EDP plus will actually start shipping.
>
> Hopefully soon.   In the meantime the only major difference that I can
> detect (and please correct me if I'm wrong Andre or Kim or Matthias) is
that
> the new Black faced
> units will be legal to sell in Europe (which the old ones are not).
>
> yours, semi-ignorantly but rapidly leaving that realm,   Rick Walker
> (loop.pool)
>
>
>

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OK there's one for the EDP marketing team.

How about that instructional DVD??

I would suggest in fact creating TWO:

    1) one instuctional DVD to be put in every EDP box sold and covering all
basic functions and basic midi things
    2) the second DVD that you have to buy - call in or online - and
covering advanced topics.

The benefits to the TWO DVD set-up

1) beginners are more likely to achieve musical success and understanding of
their EDP -- and reduce numbers of EDP's sold buy frustrated buyers and
therefore canibalizing the NEW EDP market.

2) second purchased DVD captures the CONTACT INFO of customers (and $$$) and
enables CROSS-SELL / UP-SELL opportunities for Gibson.

Watja think??  This lifetime?   :-)

David



Loop IV instuc
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> At 12:24 AM 2/14/2003, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote:
> >Arguably the most sophisticated of the EDP loop IV users, Andre
> >LaFosse has told me repeatedly that he feels that people don't learn
> >the Loop 3 features well enough before jumping into the Loop IV
> >depth.
>
> Or more that many people don't go past the most basic ideas of Record and
> Overdub and miss so many useful and creative things beyond that.
>
> That's not really a fault though - I think any new musical device just
> requires time for people to really get the ideas under their fingers well
> enough to develop their music around it.
>
> And it also requires examples to inspire - sometimes you see somebody else
> using it to make music you really like, and using techniques that you had
> never yet thought of or figured out how to use. Once you get that
> inspiration you run off to try those ideas for your own music. Sometimes
it
> takes a while for the pioneers to get good enough to start inspiring
others.
>
>
> >I have had the ability to do both and I feel that the instrument you have
> >with Loop IV is the instrument you have and that all it's features are
> >valid.
> >
> >Of course you will be come a gratuitous 'stutter fiend' for the first
couple
> >of weeks but I find myself settling in to learning the whole beast in
> >a wholistic way by learning the new features at the same time that I
learn
> >the old features.
>
> In fact, many of the things about LoopIV are just totally practical. It's
> just easier to use for many applications. It isn't correct at all to see
> LoopIV as only some set of extra "super-advanced" features beyond what was
> in LoopIII. LoopIV is also a huge refinement of the features that were
> already there, making it all better.
>
> For example, the glitchy granular stuff gets a lot of attention and is
lots
> of fun, but to me the new Sync functions in LoopIV are far more exciting.
> They are so useful and practical! ReAlign is a really fantastic idea.
These
> things aren't really "advanced". If you need to sync the echoplex up to
> something else, I think you will just find these functions very obvious
and
> incredibly useful.
>
> There are other things like that as well, features that people have asked
> for years just to make the echoplex easier to use. Like Presets, or the
> visual feedback display, or the easier to use midi implementation. There's
> nothing advanced about those, they're just practical.
>
>
> >I'd argue, buy LOOP IV (and also support our fearless non-leader Kim
Flint
> >in the process) and get both manuals.
> >
> >You will of course need to buy an EDP from GIBSON and the LOOP IV
software
> >directly from KIM.
>
> Actually you buy it from Aurisis, which also includes Matthias and Eric.
> You support Matthias more than the rest of us, since he's really had the
> biggest role and so far is the only one able to live off it!
>
> kim
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Kim Flint                     | Looper's Delight
> kflint@loopers-delight.com    | http://www.loopers-delight.com
>

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For anyone interested, the new web site for Duncan-Turner Acoustic
Research, is up and running at: www.d-tar.com. I was fortunate enough to
demo some of these fine new products at Winter Namm, and they sound
fantastic. Check out the site.
Bill


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Whew...  After the post about all the upgrades to the blackface EDPs and
then saying that it included the footswitch free, I was starting to feel
cheated because on the list's suggestion I bought a beigeface w/footswitch
last week for $700 and ordered LoopIV seperately.

Now I'll just have to watch for someone else's beigeface EDP when they
upgrade to the blackface EDP so I can get a matched pair that will have the
same RF interference levels.  :)  The noisy-er the merrier, I always say.

-J


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>
>
> i have checked and whoever posted saying that the new EDP+ comes equiped
> with the footcontoller is wrong.  This info came from gibson and they said
> that the units are sold separately, so not such a great deal after all.
>
> peace
> matt

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I will be doing some looping w/ my EDP's at the GUITAR X grand opening next 
week in Denver COLORADO...

details @ :

<A HREF="www.guitarX.com">www.guitarX.com</A>

thanks,
Gregory Bruce Campbell

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  Gregory, might you send me some info privately as I'd like to make the
show if I can.   Thanks a bunch.  

Smiles,

Cara

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>week in Denver COLORADO...
> 
> details @ :
> 
> www.guitarX.com
> 
> thanks,
> Gregory Bruce Campbell 


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That was me! I'm sorry to disagree, but I just personally oversaw 200
EDP+ packed into boxes WITH the footcontroller, (which is now black as
well). I can't believe that Gibson are going to unpack them all, take
out the footcontrollers and sell them separately. For one thing, they
won't have any suitable boxes.
Might I ask who at Gibson gave you this information? They may be getting
confused with the last 100 Beigeface units that we have already shipped
to them.

I haven't posted anything about pricing yet as I want to be sure to get
the correct information from Clive @ Gibson next week. I will then
inform the list.

Andy Ewen,
Echoplex Production Manager.

-----Original Message-----
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i have checked and whoever posted saying that the new EDP+ comes equiped

with the footcontoller is wrong.  This info came from gibson and they
said 
that the units are sold separately, so not such a great deal after all.

peace
matt

>From: Jhsidlo@aol.com
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>Subject: black face EDP pricing (foot controller)
>Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 13:12:17 -0500
>
>      I e-mailed Musician's Friend and the $800+ price does not include
the 
>foot controller. This in relationship to a LD post saying that the foot

>controller was included in the price.
>      If there's any store that offers the whole "shebang" for that
price 
>range, I might be interested.
>
>
>                          Ciao, James


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At 09:12 AM 2/12/2003, astroblue wrote:
>Is it finally time for an announcements list?
>
>But I do enjoy seeing gig spam from all areas, I find it 'encouraging' on
>many levels, and I've been pleased to actually catch a few performances here
>in <my area>  But it is easy to miss these occasional geographically
>relevent messages when you're not tracking the list daily.
>
>I'd like to see a self-moderated but designated LD "looper event
>announcements" list. Perhaps any one else who feels that way could donate $5
>to the LD paypal fund? (ballot stuffing anyone?)  Check out the PayPal logo
>on the right of the LD site:  http://www.loopers-delight.com (I think you
>can leave a comment when you donate)

nobody except Bob voted for this idea, so I guess there isn't much 
interest. (thanks for the $5 Bob!)

However, it does give me an opportunity to remind you all that we have a 
gig posting page on the LD web site. It has been there for many years, yet 
many of you who post gigs on the list don't post them there.

The gigs page is visited by hundreds of people per month, and presumably a 
lot more would go if there were more listings posted there. Most people who 
go there are probably not on the list, so it is a nice additional place to 
advertise and get your gig announcement to more people.

http://www.loopers-delight.com/gigs/performances.html

kim


______________________________________________________________________
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thanks kim!

jg
http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com

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> At 09:12 AM 2/12/2003, astroblue wrote:
> >Is it finally time for an announcements list?
> >
> >But I do enjoy seeing gig spam from all areas, I find it 'encouraging' on
> >many levels, and I've been pleased to actually catch a few performances
here
> >in <my area>  But it is easy to miss these occasional geographically
> >relevent messages when you're not tracking the list daily.
> >
> >I'd like to see a self-moderated but designated LD "looper event
> >announcements" list. Perhaps any one else who feels that way could donate
$5
> >to the LD paypal fund? (ballot stuffing anyone?)  Check out the PayPal
logo
> >on the right of the LD site:  http://www.loopers-delight.com (I think you
> >can leave a comment when you donate)
>
> nobody except Bob voted for this idea, so I guess there isn't much
> interest. (thanks for the $5 Bob!)
>
> However, it does give me an opportunity to remind you all that we have a
> gig posting page on the LD web site. It has been there for many years, yet
> many of you who post gigs on the list don't post them there.
>
> The gigs page is visited by hundreds of people per month, and presumably a
> lot more would go if there were more listings posted there. Most people
who
> go there are probably not on the list, so it is a nice additional place to
> advertise and get your gig announcement to more people.
>
> http://www.loopers-delight.com/gigs/performances.html
>
> kim
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Kim Flint                     | Looper's Delight
> kflint@loopers-delight.com    | http://www.loopers-delight.com
>
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Hi,

I'm not a guitarist, but this post interested me because I do think a lot
about
what we expect of 'alternative MIDI controllers' and how we play them. I agree
that the conversion needs to be fast, track/play well and be
reliable/predictable.I play a MIDI wind controller and really came very
quickly
to consider it a entirely different instrument from my saxophone - an
instrument (or I guess more accurately, part of an instrument together with
the
sound source) in its own right - its different from a guitar synth (I know)
coz
it is physically different from a sax (not a converter. Most of the sounds
that
I play with it, sound terrible if played like a saxophone - for me, its about
'playing the patches', developing new ways of playing as suggested by each
different sound - herein lies the excitement and creativity for me. I think of
a pianist, who might first try playing all their synth sounds like a piano -
this is certainly what I did when I first got my wind synth (I did what I
knew). I guess I'm questioning whether using all of our well-honed instrument
techniques to 'play' the infinite palette of synth sounds through MIDI
converters/controllers, will do justice to those sounds, or if its more that
these sounds might require a new set of playing techniques. Whether guitar
techniques work for the guitar but might not for an un-guitar-like patch? -
this is certainly my experience and philosophy with my wind synth. It does
mean
that loops can become very stylistically varied and expressive, changing
sounds
with the associated playing techniques for them. What do others think? There
must be a whole lot of experience of using guitar/wind/drum/violin/etc... to
MIDI converters or purpose designed interfaces for non-keyboard access to
synth
sounds.

Ian.


At 21:48 14/02/03 , you wrote: 

>
> I'm totally skeptical about all the midi pickups and midi conversion
systems.
> I wonder if there is anything out there with no tracking/latency/interface
> problems at all? I mean I want to play a guitar synthesizer, which means it
> really is a guitar, and it also really is a synth. I want to be able to use
> all the methods of producing sound that I currently use with just my guitar
> (bending, vibrato, tone control from the pick/fingers, legato, palm muting,
> pick scrapes, muted strumming, harmonics, picking behind the nut, altered
> tunings etc). I want every nuance of my playing to come through as much
as it
> would with a good overdrive pedal. As a lower priority, if it were possible
> to also use digitally controlled analog design methods, and use things like
> midi in/out, a sequencer, an arpeggiator, and split sound strings/fretboard
> areas, that would be my other request. But, the fact is, I doubt all this is
> possible in one unit. Maybe my b! es! t bet is to go for a GR-300, or build
> my own, and use it with just looping, in lieu of a sequencer? I honestly
> haven't done enough research to know.





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Yes you exactly right on this topic one of your more important points is
that you play the patches. I have found that rather then lacking
expressive capabilities that MIDI actually shows up your deficiencies if
you approach playing a MIDI enable instrument with an open mind you can
make it do what you want it to. Two deficiencies I noticed in my guitar
playing was a tendency to have a light glissando between playing
positions and a pronounced quavering vibrato when playing a piano patch
these tend to sound bad nothing to do but to stop doing this. MIDI
offers fascinating possibilities to your playing range.I think the
suggestion about triggering Sequencers is a great idea for a looper.

On Sat, 2003-02-15 at 07:28, Ian Popperwell wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm not a guitarist, but this post interested me because I do think a lot
> about
> what we expect of 'alternative MIDI controllers' and how we play them. I agree
> that the conversion needs to be fast, track/play well and be
> reliable/predictable.I play a MIDI wind controller and really came very
> quickly
> to consider it a entirely different instrument from my saxophone - an
> instrument (or I guess more accurately, part of an instrument together with
> the
> sound source) in its own right - its different from a guitar synth (I know)
> coz
> it is physically different from a sax (not a converter. Most of the sounds
> that
> I play with it, sound terrible if played like a saxophone - for me, its about
> 'playing the patches', developing new ways of playing as suggested by each
> different sound - herein lies the excitement and creativity for me. I think of
> a pianist, who might first try playing all their synth sounds like a piano -
> this is certainly what I did when I first got my wind synth (I did what I
> knew). I guess I'm questioning whether using all of our well-honed instrument
> techniques to 'play' the infinite palette of synth sounds through MIDI
> converters/controllers, will do justice to those sounds, or if its more that
> these sounds might require a new set of playing techniques. Whether guitar
> techniques work for the guitar but might not for an un-guitar-like patch? -
> this is certainly my experience and philosophy with my wind synth. It does
> mean
> that loops can become very stylistically varied and expressive, changing
> sounds
> with the associated playing techniques for them. What do others think? There
> must be a whole lot of experience of using guitar/wind/drum/violin/etc... to
> MIDI converters or purpose designed interfaces for non-keyboard access to
> synth
> sounds.
> 
> Ian.
> 
> 
> At 21:48 14/02/03 , you wrote: 
> 
> >
> > I'm totally skeptical about all the midi pickups and midi conversion
> systems.
> > I wonder if there is anything out there with no tracking/latency/interface
> > problems at all? I mean I want to play a guitar synthesizer, which means it
> > really is a guitar, and it also really is a synth. I want to be able to use
> > all the methods of producing sound that I currently use with just my guitar
> > (bending, vibrato, tone control from the pick/fingers, legato, palm muting,
> > pick scrapes, muted strumming, harmonics, picking behind the nut, altered
> > tunings etc). I want every nuance of my playing to come through as much
> as it
> > would with a good overdrive pedal. As a lower priority, if it were possible
> > to also use digitally controlled analog design methods, and use things like
> > midi in/out, a sequencer, an arpeggiator, and split sound strings/fretboard
> > areas, that would be my other request. But, the fact is, I doubt all this is
> > possible in one unit. Maybe my b! es! t bet is to go for a GR-300, or build
> > my own, and use it with just looping, in lieu of a sequencer? I honestly
> > haven't done enough research to know.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Who: Dave Stagner (guitar, loops) and Ryan Lovan (drums)
What: Improvised looping jazz
When: March 5, 2003, 7-9pm
Where: Acadia Cafe, Minneapolis (corner of Franklin and Nicollet
Why: Who else would let us play this noize in public?

This is part of an ongoing series of experimental music every other
wednesday at the Acadia. It's a good place for loopers.
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EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.

                    Show #308                    February 13, 2003.


RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Orbital Decay, a spacemusic
duo in the Quakertown area who will be at the next Soundscapes Concert Series
on February 22.  The Featured CD at midnight was "The Key of Sea."

The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Cluster and Eno" by Cluster and Brian Eno on
Sky Records.

I also played the music of Mikronesia, one of the acts that will be appearing
at The Gate to Moonbase Alpha on Friday, February 21, 2003.

Orbital Decay
http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#feb
Soundscapes Concert Series    http://soundscapes.us
Gate to Moonbase Alpha        http://simpletone.com


PLAYLIST:

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
11:00 pm
Cluster and Eno         Ho Renomo                Cluster and Eno (Sky Records)
Mikronesia              Thursday Morning in the  Mikronesia (none)
                          Cube
VA [Alio Die and        The Falson               A Slight Touch of Grace
  Mathias Grassow                                  (Relapse)
Artimy Artemiev and     Endless Voyage           A Moment of Infinity
  Phillip B. Klinger                               (Electroshock)
vidnaObmana             The Nihilist             Spore (Relapse)
vidnaObmana             Creep - Isolation Trip   Spore (Relapse)
Jurgen Haible           Dark November            Dark November (none)
Liquid Mind             Through My Eyes *        Spirit (Chuck Wild Records)

12:00 am
Orbital Decay           The Key of Sea           The Key of Sea (none)

1:00 am

 * = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)


NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Orbital Decay.  The
Featured CD at Midnight will be "Live on EMUSIC 12-27-2001."

The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Computer Voice" by Robert Schroder
on Racket Records.

Bill
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The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays
electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other
genres.  The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and
on the internet.  Send me comments if you love or hate what I played.  I also
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Orbital Decay http://soundscapes.us
Gate to Moonbase Alpha http://simpletone.com
Simon Apple http://simonapple.com


                    Show #17                    February 15, 2003.


PLAYLIST:


Phase I/Space:

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
vidnaObmana             Spore                    Spore (Relapse)
Mikronesia              Moisturizing Vehicle     Mikronesia (none)
Jurgen Haible           Azriel Part 3: Roaming   Dark November (none)
                          the Centuries
Logic Gate              Code Red *               From the Silence (MP3.COM)
Orbital Decay           Exerpt of 12-Aug-01      Live on WXPN (none)
                          Star's End Broadcast

Phase II/Eclectic:

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
Tom Barabas             Adagio by T. Albinoni    Classical Healing (Soundings
                                                   of the Planet)
Jon Durant              In Her Memories, She     Brief Light (Alchemy Records)
                          Floats
VA [Angels of Venice]   After the Harvest        Windham Hill Chill (Windham
                                                   Hill)
VA [Alex De Grassi]     Western                  Windham Hill Chill (Windham
                                                   Hill)
Paul Schwartz           Addio                    Aria 2 (Astor Place)

Phase III/Progressive Rock:

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
Yes                     Yours Is No Disgrace     The Yes Album (Atlantic)
The Jelly Jam           I Can't Help You         The Jelly Jam (InsideOut)
Simon Apple             Par Avion                Tributes (none)
Motoi Sakuraba          Motion                   Gikyokounsou (Musea)
The Flower Kings        World of Adventures      Back in the World of
                                                   Adventures (InsideOut)

 * = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)

I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on March 1.

Bill
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Hey,
    I just got the new issue of Guitar Player with Lindsey Buckingham on
the cover.  There is a NAMM preview.  On page 27, there is a picture of
Ike Turner.  In the bottom right hand corner, you can see a peripheral
shot of the new black face EDP with the foot controller.
    Just thought some of you might be interested.

John

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Hey,
    Is anybody using an Adrenalinn synched up to their EDP?  Currently I
use a DL-4 for my looping.  I also use an Adrenalinn, which I love.  It
seems like the Adrenalinn would work a lot better with a looper with
MIDI synch  like the EDP.  If anybody has anybody has anybody has any
experience using both of these units, I'd love to hear about it.

Thanks,
John

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Ian;

I think you bring up some very valid point.  With guitar synths, that has 
always been a problem...

some of the "tracking problems" that people encounter comes from the fact 
that the patch is not reacting in a guitar-like fashion.
The first time a player encounters a synth, they often play their favorite 
licks just as if they were playing their 'native' instrument...they forget 
to listen.

sadly, I don't find guitar particularly well suited to synthesizer work..the 
interface always feels adaptive to me.  I suppose because many guitar 
techniques are not well-defined events or values.

I've decided to go the avenue of treatments, so that modifications to 
envelopes, waveform modification, etc are overlayed on top of the original 
signal.


that's not to say that guitar synth is in any way a failure.  Just a 
personal choice thing for me.

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Yes, I've done this with great results.  Lot's of possibilities for 
these two units married together.

Mark Sottilaro

On Saturday, February 15, 2003, at 08:11 AM, John Mazzarella wrote:

> Hey,
>     Is anybody using an Adrenalinn synched up to their EDP? 

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After I installed Loop IV I have this strange problem happening.  When I
move (or keep moving) the volume pedal (functioning as a MIDI CC sender for
volume control in EDP out of my Yamaha MFC 10) it sometimes trigers other
functions, such as overdub, multiply, mute, etc.  And sometimes the loop
gets erased alltogether.  This does not happen always, it is unpredictable.
But often I hear the volume "jumping/clicking" louder and I notice a third
digit 2 quickly appear and disappear on the display (as if 217), as the
volume changes between 0 and 127.

It does not have any influence when I change the MIDI channel for volume
control, and this has never happened in Loop III.  Any suggestions?

Thanks,

petr

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>Hey,
>     Is anybody using an Adrenalinn synched up to their EDP?  Currently I
>use a DL-4 for my looping.  I also use an Adrenalinn, which I love.  It
>seems like the Adrenalinn would work a lot better with a looper with
>MIDI synch  like the EDP.  If anybody has anybody has anybody has any
>experience using both of these units, I'd love to hear about it.
>
>Thanks,
>John

I don't have an EDP, but I have been running my AdrennaLinn sync'd to 
midi clock, and it works quite well. My live looping setup uses MIDI 
clock extensively. I have a Roland MC303 groovebox as a master clock 
that drives a Repeater, JamMan, Lexicon MPX100, Korg ER-1 (drum 
machine) and a Nord Micromodular full of custom patches, many of them 
running sequences sync'd to midi clock. The other sound sources are a 
Rhodes piano, run through the AdrennaLinn and a Nord Lead synth. It's 
really cool to have all the delays, loops, sequences, arpeggiators, 
etc, all sync'd to one clock.

The MC 303, despite its many faults, has a very stable MIDI clock, 
and a tap temp pad on the front panel. I only wish it had a footpedal 
tap tempo. I've tried using the Repeater or the JamMan as the clock 
source, but neither are stable enough.

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Nice rig Dave, sounds a lot like mine.  Do you have music posted?

Mark Sottilaro

On Saturday, February 15, 2003, at 10:17 AM, Dave Trenkel wrote:
>  My live looping setup uses MIDI clock extensively. I have a Roland 
> MC303 groovebox as a master clock that drives a Repeater, JamMan, 
> Lexicon MPX100, Korg ER-1 (drum machine) and a Nord Micromodular full 
> of custom patches, many of them running sequences sync'd to midi 
> clock. The other sound sources are a Rhodes piano, run through the 
> AdrennaLinn and a Nord Lead synth. It's really cool to have all the 
> delays, loops, sequences, arpeggiators, etc, all sync'd to one clock.

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And yet it seems that the Roland VG 88 didn't quite
caught on like the GR synths.I think Fripp and Belew
have put them away...
Does anyone here in the list use them?

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>Nice rig Dave, sounds a lot like mine.  Do you have music posted?

I have a show from 2 years ago done with an earlier version of this setup at
http://www.newandimprov.com/030201.html

This was pre-repeater. We're taping a gig with my trio later this 
month, will post results if they turn out OK.

>
>Mark Sottilaro
>
>On Saturday, February 15, 2003, at 10:17 AM, Dave Trenkel wrote:
>>  My live looping setup uses MIDI clock extensively. I have a Roland 
>>MC303 groovebox as a master clock that drives a Repeater, JamMan, 
>>Lexicon MPX100, Korg ER-1 (drum machine) and a Nord Micromodular 
>>full of custom patches, many of them running sequences sync'd to 
>>midi clock. The other sound sources are a Rhodes piano, run through 
>>the AdrennaLinn and a Nord Lead synth. It's really cool to have all 
>>the delays, loops, sequences, arpeggiators, etc, all sync'd to one 
>>clock.

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I have used both the Gr30, and the Axon NGC-77, the latter being the hipper
controller with slightly faster tracking, and a couple of cool midi zone
features. I like the GR30, primarily due to its arppeggiator, which is
write-.able and sync-able. The sounds are not the greatest, but with a bit
of creative tweeking and blending it can sound pretty cool. The newr GR33,
as I've ranted about before, has a better sound engine than the GR30, but
you cannot write or sync the arpeggiator to an external midi source. Thats
right, no  midi clock. Is that stupid or what? And I think I'd get bored
pretty quickly with the preset arppeggios, all of which seem to be
influence by the rave culture. Nothing against the rave culture, mind you,
as my brother will attest, I've been known to rave a bit myself!  Roland
has just released (or re-released) The GR-20, which is a half rack midi
controller like the short lived GR-10. It might be just the ticket for you
Mark if you already have a good sound source. Then you can sell me your
Gr30 for really cheap HA! HA!
Bill


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Mark - I'm curious if you use the Adrenalinn to feed the EDP
or to process the output of the EDP. (?)

Cheers,
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> Yes, I've done this with great results.  Lot's of possibilities for 
> these two units married together.
> 
> Mark Sottilaro
> 
> On Saturday, February 15, 2003, at 08:11 AM, John Mazzarella wrote:
> 
> > Hey,
> >     Is anybody using an Adrenalinn synched up to their EDP? 
> 
> 

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     Mark,

     I have both the Axon AX100-SB and the Roland GR-33.  The GR-33 is okay... of course the
unmodified sounds suck for the most part.  With a lot of work I have gotten a few of them to sound
better.  And the tracking is okay, with some exceptions for the lowest strings.  Because of this,
I almost always use the synth sounds *behind* the actual guitar signal.  Using it in this way is
very satisfying for me.  Running the guitar signal through a few effects also helps blend the two
sounds.

     The Axon AX-100SB is of course a newer version of the NGC-77, with internal sounds as well. 
You can usually find them on eBay for around $600 or so.  The tracking is far superior to the
Roland (I'm using a Godin nylon string Multiac with piezo pickups) though like the Roland, the
sounds are mostly sucky as well.  The Axon has designed their sound setup more as templates, so
you go to the template that describes most nearly what you want to do and then rearrange the
instrument layers within that setup.  In answer to your question, yes you will get noticeably
better tracking from an Axon, if my own experience is accurate.

     The Axon manual reads as if the original German was translated into Japanese and then Finnish
before being rewritten in English by third graders.  Basically I find that I don't yet have enough
MIDI experience to make much use of the Axon.  Hopefully this will change as I deepen my
experience with other gear.

     Any electronic musical instrument (or software program...) worth its salt will include a well
written tutorial.  Operating manuals just do not cut the mustard in my book.  Otherwise, we end up
with the majority of musicians tapping into 5% of what the instrument is capable of.  Like Andre
has recently noted here, many long time users of the EDP still don't "get" some of the basic
functions of the Loop III software.  While a video tutorial would be nice, for me a well written
tutorial would be essential (at least before I would consider investing in such a potentially
powerful tool).  Unless you are pretty proficient at MIDI programming and deciphering poorly
written manuals, I would steer you away from the Axon, despite the fact that it is more accurate
and powerful.

     Stephen



>>>I've been toying with the idea of replacing my GR-30 with an Axon NGC-77 midi
converter.  I'm thinking that since I don't use the GR-30 sounds, I'd rather
just have a better Hex/midi converter.  Anyone have experience with the Axon?
Is it worth the extra cash (probably about $200-300 more used) for the Axon or
should I stay where I am.  I think the tracking on the GR-30 is actually pretty
good, I'm just not all that into it's sounds, but that's just my opinion.
Fripp seems to like them a lot.<<<

Mark Sottilaro





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Hi all,

Been catching up on the list archives and read this particular thread with 
great interest.

I'm planning to go back to school to pursue a Music Education program.  I 
guess being a music teacher (hopefully at the elementary or preschool level) 
isn't quite the same as being a professional performing musician (well, 
maybe I be able to get school kids involved in some kind of looping 
activity, who knows), but I think the process of getting there will give me 
enough opportunities to loop in public.

Cheers,
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Am I the only Photon MIDI converter owner
on the list..?  I have the original one made by
K-Muse..  Later, Gibson bought the rights to the
product and put it under a division called Phitec...

It is very difficult to set up but does work well in
Hyperspeed mode -- that's where you use all
B strings (or any gauge you want) that are all tuned
the same and have the Photon transpose to the correct
pitch.

If someone has one I wonder if they could do me the
tremendous favor of opening it up and telling me the
specs on the back-up battery...  its located on top
near the front LED....easy to find.
My battery went dead and I lost it before I could find
a replacement....

John McLaughlin has done some wonderful recordings
with the Photon mounted on a classical nylon string, a
custom job that the Phitec engineers wouldn't reproduce
for me when I talked to them.
--
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On Saturday, February 15, 2003, at 01:25 PM, S V G wrote:
>  In answer to your question, yes you will get noticeably
> better tracking from an Axon, if my own experience is accurate.

That's all I'm hoping for.

>
>      The Axon manual reads as if the original German was translated 
> into Japanese and then Finnish
> before being rewritten in English by third graders.

HA!  I've been wondering what the Finns have been up to!

>   Unless you are pretty proficient at MIDI programming and deciphering 
> poorly
> written manuals, I would steer you away from the Axon, despite the 
> fact that it is more accurate
> and powerful.
>
Well, it just happens that I am pretty good at figuring out gear 
without a manual.  Years of working in music stores that sold used gear 
have given me an uncanny ability to figure out obtuse gear.  Just to be 
on the safe side, I'll hire a German a Finn and a Japanese person to be 
near while I'm going through the manual, just in case.  Here's the key 
to all gear though:

Keep pressing buttons until it does what you want it to do.  DON'T LET 
IT WIN.

Thank you for the advise,

Mark Sottilaro

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ah, the VG-88

It seeems everything old is new again

remember the old GR-100?


I'd hate to try to list everything Fripp has played with and put aside











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And yet it seems that the Roland VG 88 didn't quite
caught on like the GR synths.I think Fripp and Belew
have put them away...
Does anyone here in the list use them?

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At 04:01 PM 2/15/2003, Gary Phillips wrote:
>Am I the only Photon MIDI converter owner
>on the list..?

would you really be surprised if you were? A large portion of this list 
doesn't play guitar. Very few of the guitarists play guitar synth. You will 
likely find a lot more people to talk to about this on one of the lists 
that specialize in guitar synth, like:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital-guitar/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/midiguitar/

kim


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you need to supply a lot more info for anybody to help you with this. Such 
as: How do you have the midi parameters set on the Echoplex? What did you 
program your midi conroller to send? What is it actually sending? (you can 
check that with a program like midiox).

kim

At 09:47 AM 2/15/2003, Petr Samojsky wrote:
>After I installed Loop IV I have this strange problem happening.  When I
>move (or keep moving) the volume pedal (functioning as a MIDI CC sender for
>volume control in EDP out of my Yamaha MFC 10) it sometimes trigers other
>functions, such as overdub, multiply, mute, etc.  And sometimes the loop
>gets erased alltogether.  This does not happen always, it is unpredictable.
>But often I hear the volume "jumping/clicking" louder and I notice a third
>digit 2 quickly appear and disappear on the display (as if 217), as the
>volume changes between 0 and 127.
>
>It does not have any influence when I change the MIDI channel for volume
>control, and this has never happened in Loop III.  Any suggestions?
>
>Thanks,
>
>petr

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Is anyone in loop land using one of these as a looper.  None of the info I've found goes into much detail.  Overdub? Undo? reverse? Is the looping before or after other effects?  From a looping stand point is the gnx3 for real?
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On Friday, February 14, 2003, at 09:32 AM, Goddess wrote:

> people
> were disapointed when Electrix folded, saying that the software could 
> have
> had so many features and now would never be revised.   Well, the 
> software
> HAS a whole bunch of amazing features as it is!   <smile>   It does 
> some
> amazing things!

It sure does.  It would be even better if it did all those features bug 
free.

Mark (still loves his Repeaters) Sottilaro

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Kim can be so subtle.

On Saturday, February 15, 2003, at 09:26 PM, Kim Flint wrote:

> At 04:01 PM 2/15/2003, Gary Phillips wrote:
>> Am I the only Photon MIDI converter owner
>> on the list..?
>
> would you really be surprised if you were? A large portion of this 
> list doesn't play guitar. Very few of the guitarists play guitar 
> synth. You will likely find a lot more people to talk to about this on 
> one of the lists that specialize in guitar synth, like:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital-guitar/
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/midiguitar/
>
> kim
>
>
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> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> Frεn: chrismandel@juno.com [mailto:chrismandel@juno.com] 
>
> Is anyone in loop land using one of these as a looper.  None 
> of the info I've found goes into much detail.  Overdub? Undo? 
> reverse? Is the looping before or after other effects?  From 
> a looping stand point is the gnx3 for real? -Chris


I was borrowed one from a music store because they "wanted to hear what
I thought of it". This was half a year ago and I don't remember much
details but though it sounded good I did not find it very good for
looping. Returned it the next day. 

There are some user review at 
http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/DigiTech/GNX3-01.html
and they all tend to find the guitar sound extremely good.

Best wishes

Per Boysen
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Does anyone know if the new EDP+ will eventually be available at Sam Ash
Music?  The reason that I ask is that I've accumulated quite a few gift
certificates and I would love to apply them to the new EDP.

Thanks,
John

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The correct keyword that you chose was 'Eventually' and I would add that
Sam Ash doesn't carry much of anything unless it is a fast mover, so
don't wait around counting on this to happen anytime too soon. If you
want one buy it at the best price you can get, but the best deal is to
buy the older version and upgrade to Loop IV there just doesn't seem to
be any additional functionality over the upgraded unit and the price is
substantially higher.

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Does anyone know if the new EDP+ will eventually be available at Sam Ash
Music?  The reason that I ask is that I've accumulated quite a few gift
certificates and I would love to apply them to the new EDP.

Thanks,
John

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Alto Music will have it for less
845 692 6922

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I've had a lot of stuff packed away and I just hauled out a very minimalist
looping rig today consisting guitar --> DG-Stomp --> EDP --> powered
speaker. Besides the fact that I started exploring unrounded glitch effects
that I've never really been known for (curse you Andre and Cara ;-) ), I was
somewhat surprised at how well such a small configuration worked for me.
This as I'd been planning a new version of my small 6-space rack.

First thought: Gee, I should see whether I can still get a Yamaha DG-80 and
then I could just stick the EDP in the effects loop and have one less thing
to haul around. (This, of course, ignores the fact that I'd probably want a
foot controller for the DG-80, but it's models are a bit more detailed than
those on the DG-Stomp.)

Second thought: Hmm. Even with such a rig, where do I put the EDP? Andre is
doing something to have it on the floor but tilted up to be visible, but
that still seems a bit awkward.

Third thought: As if doing the blackface EDP+ weren't enough, wouldn't it be
cool if there were a floor unit that combined the EDP footswitch with the
Echoplex guts. (Cooler still if it had something like the Boomerang's rotary
fader which I've never used but which looks good for toe operation.)

If that last one existed, then I could just carry around the DG-Stomp, the
Echoplex floor unit, and a powered speaker.

Mark

P.S. Repeater for sale. Essentially pristine condition. Very minimal use.
$725 plus shipping.

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If I don't end up going completely minimalist, I'd at least like to figure
out how to run my little looping rig without a mixer if for no other reason
than to avoid having yet one more thing that wants power.

What that seems to require is something that will take a stereo signal,
split it into two left/right pairs, and sum one of those pairs to feed the
EDP. I can combine the signals again at my EQKiller.

Matthias covered some of this recently in the ABY etc. discussion but he
also seemed to suggest that at the very least one needs hard wired resistors
to get appropriate signal mixing.

What are the consequences of splitting signals using Y cables?

What are the consequences of mixing signals using Y cables?

How important are those resistors?

Thanks.
Mark

P.S. This does highlight the one nice thing about the Jamman relative to the
EDP: It was a mono-looper, but it was friendly toward a stereo signal path.
Or so I've been told.

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Mark--

I am no EE, but I can tell you y-cord splitting will be fine as long as 
the signals are going to amplifying circuits (e.g., effects unit).  
Mixing is another matter.  I have run stereo signals through 10uf caps 
to 10k resistors, and joined them into mono with good results.  Try it 
and see if your stereo separation suffers too much.  I'd use tantalum 
caps and metal film resistors.  But straight y-cords, forget it...

David Lee Myers
www.pulsewidth.com

On Sunday, February 16, 2003, at 03:28 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote:

> If I don't end up going completely minimalist, I'd at least like to 
> figure
> out how to run my little looping rig without a mixer if for no other 
> reason
> than to avoid having yet one more thing that wants power.
>
> What that seems to require is something that will take a stereo signal,
> split it into two left/right pairs, and sum one of those pairs to feed 
> the
> EDP. I can combine the signals again at my EQKiller.
>
> Matthias covered some of this recently in the ABY etc. discussion but 
> he
> also seemed to suggest that at the very least one needs hard wired 
> resistors
> to get appropriate signal mixing.
>
> What are the consequences of splitting signals using Y cables?
>
> What are the consequences of mixing signals using Y cables?
>
> How important are those resistors?
>
> Thanks.
> Mark
>
> P.S. This does highlight the one nice thing about the Jamman relative 
> to the
> EDP: It was a mono-looper, but it was friendly toward a stereo signal 
> path.
> Or so I've been told.
>

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on 2/16/03 1:04 PM, David Myers at dmgraph@earthlink.net wrote:

> But straight y-cords, forget it...

In other words: Time to go find that soldering iron.

What exactly do I need to wire in? If I've got tip and sleeve coming in from
left and right, what do I need to wire up to get a mono result?

Also: Will it cause any problems that what I'm really wiring up is left &
right in; left, right, and mix out?

Thanks.
Mark

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On Sunday, February 16, 2003, at 04:10 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote:

> on 2/16/03 1:04 PM, David Myers at dmgraph@earthlink.net wrote:
>
>> But straight y-cords, forget it...
>
> In other words: Time to go find that soldering iron.

Oh yes.

> What exactly do I need to wire in? If I've got tip and sleeve coming 
> in from
> left and right, what do I need to wire up to get a mono result?

I would use a small box (Radio Shack, etc.).  One stereo jack for your 
input, three monos for left, right, and mix outputs (or one stereo and 
one mono, if that's what you prefer).  A bit hard to describe in words, 
but I'd do you a drawing offlist if you're really stuck.

> Also: Will it cause any problems that what I'm really wiring up is 
> left &
> right in; left, right, and mix out?

No problem.  Your L & R ins connect to the L & R outs as well as "Y" 
feed the caps/resistors which join at the mono "mix" jack.  Again, this 
simple passive mix might be detrimental to your stereo purity, in which 
case an active mixer is the only option.

DLM

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No reserve - let's see what the market will bear....

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Sorry for the misdirect, but I had to get some attention.  I'm 
*constantly* getting messages generated by the klez worm.  I'm sure 
it's from loopers delight list members, as it's really the only thing I 
use this email address for.  It's really getting out of control.  I get 
another few emails for every valid one at this point.  More proof that 
it's from loopers is I'm getting little gif and jpg attachments of 
things like Lab series guitar amps and Boss delay pedals.  An 
occasional thumbnail of a nice porn shot too, so I know there are 
hetrosexual men out there.  Yee haw.

Can you PLEASE deworm your machine?  I've got a Mac so I know it's not 
me.  This is getting out of control and has been going on for do damn 
long.  Before you dismiss this email say to yourself, "It's me"  then 
fix it.  If it wasn't you: BONUS!  If it was you, it's about time.  
Don't be a jerk.  Have some honor and pay attention.

That's all.

Mark Sottilaro

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when are you playing gregory?

thanks,
jimmy george
http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com

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  I will be doing some looping w/ my EDP's at the GUITAR X grand opening =
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  www.guitarX.com

  thanks,
  Gregory Bruce Campbell 
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At 10:32 AM -0800 2/15/03, Louie Angulo wrote:
>And yet it seems that the Roland VG 88 didn't quite
>caught on like the GR synths.I think Fripp and Belew
>have put them away...
>Does anyone here in the list use them?

I have a VG-8 and a GRT-30. I like them both and have a setup that 
allows me to switch easily between them. They can also work well in 
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Hi Mark (thanks for sending the Palo Alto gig photo, by the way!),

Mark Hamburg wrote:
> Besides the fact that I started exploring unrounded glitch effects
> that I've never really been known for (curse you Andre and Cara ;-) )

Bwahahahahahaha....

> where do I put the EDP? Andre is
> doing something to have it on the floor but tilted up to be visible, but
> that still seems a bit awkward.

It's a small and very portable $15 Fender electric guitar stand; I turn
it backwards (so that the main support rod is facing me) and tilt the
EDP up at about a 45 degree angle towards me, parked right in front of
the foot controller.  The balance is fine, so it's in no danger of
sliding off.

It's probably the best solution I've come up with in terms of EDP
placement; the theory is that, since I have to look at the pedalboard
anyway, I might as well have the Echoplex in the same basic spot.  And I
think it looks a bit more elegant from a performance point of view - it
FEELS better than constantly looking to my side at a rack or stand,
anyhow.  This way I can pretend I'm just shoegazing while I try to cop
some Kevin Shields licks...

> Third thought: As if doing the blackface EDP+ weren't enough, wouldn't it be
> cool if there were a floor unit that combined the EDP footswitch with the
> Echoplex guts. 

If you get a padded single-space rack case and some sort of mount for
the EDP a la a guitar stand, it's almost as good...  I know what you
mean, tho.

Anyway,

--Andre LaFosse
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I am having some patience shattering problems with Cubase SX & VSTi's. (PC 
Platform, ver. 1.01 )

For the life of me, I can't get the darn presets I tweak and select ( A1,  b4 
 or any VSTi at that matter)  to start with/on and play the sound that I want 
played whenever i hit play or record.

What happens is whenever I hit play or record, The VSTi goes automatically 
back to the default preset, which is of course, not the preset I selected  or 
tweaked and has me constantly resetting what I do for it all to go back to 
square one where it is in the end, almost like chasing a windmill.

I know this request is way off topic but I am looking to integrate this 
Cubase SX setup into a portable NOtebook system that will be used for looping 
with a Jamman and Ableton's Live.

But i was really hopin to be able to use the VSTi's I have as I really like 
the robustness & ease of use with Cubase SX and the full range of VSTi's that 
are available for the Steinberg platform w/ the level of automation you get 
to boot.

Does anybody have any advice out there?

Any assistace ( offlist in email to me privately :)   would be Mooooocho 
appreciated :)

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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
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p; or tweaked and has me constantly resetting what I do for it all to go bac=
k to square one where it is in the end, almost like chasing a windmill.<BR>
<BR>
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se SX setup into a portable NOtebook system that will be used for looping wi=
th a Jamman and Ableton's Live.<BR>
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hey there,
i spoke to a guy named gill at gibson friday the 14th and he said that the 
first units were going to specific stores, so i called the stores and got 
their prices and they all told me that the footcontroller WAS sold as a 
seperate item.  they may not know that the footcontroller is as you say 
included.  you should know as you are production manager.  they must not 
realize this yet.  communication from gibson has been really screwy in the 
past.  i just wish i could find out what the deal is with this whole deal.  
are the controllers included or not and what is the price w/footcontroller 
and without.
thanks
matt wiley



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>Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 08:54:23 -0000
>
>That was me! I'm sorry to disagree, but I just personally oversaw 200
>EDP+ packed into boxes WITH the footcontroller, (which is now black as
>well). I can't believe that Gibson are going to unpack them all, take
>out the footcontrollers and sell them separately. For one thing, they
>won't have any suitable boxes.
>Might I ask who at Gibson gave you this information? They may be getting
>confused with the last 100 Beigeface units that we have already shipped
>to them.
>
>I haven't posted anything about pricing yet as I want to be sure to get
>the correct information from Clive @ Gibson next week. I will then
>inform the list.
>
>Andy Ewen,
>Echoplex Production Manager.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Matthew Wiley [mailto:matthewf5@hotmail.com]
>Sent: 14 February 2003 22:15
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>
>
>
>i have checked and whoever posted saying that the new EDP+ comes equiped
>
>with the footcontoller is wrong.  This info came from gibson and they
>said
>that the units are sold separately, so not such a great deal after all.
>
>peace
>matt
>
> >From: Jhsidlo@aol.com
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> >Subject: black face EDP pricing (foot controller)
> >Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 13:12:17 -0500
> >
> >      I e-mailed Musician's Friend and the $800+ price does not include
>the
> >foot controller. This in relationship to a LD post saying that the foot
>
> >controller was included in the price.
> >      If there's any store that offers the whole "shebang" for that
>price
> >range, I might be interested.
> >
> >
> >                          Ciao, James
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In a message dated 2/16/2003 7:55:58 PM Mountain Standard Time, 
sine@zerocrossing.net writes:

> Can you PLEASE deworm your machine?

Mark, could you give someone assuming they don't know much about it ... how 
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  Hey Mark!, glad to see ya again, and glad to be a glitch-chick influence!
  lol!   -sounds like a cool band name!  
  Yes, I've got a relatively minimal setup too, similar to  what I was
using in Palo Alto.  My preamp is simply a Pandora, into a volume pedal,
space station, and then into an EDP, followed by a lil' teeny amp.   I'll
probably be going with a lil' Vox at the moment.  -am using an FCB to
control the EDP.  
  Incidentally, it only took me less than five mins. to program a bank for
the EDP, -by myself.  -why is it that people seem to be having such a hard
time with them?...   -just wondering...  
  Anyway, as far as a pedalboard-EDP combo, That actually might not be a
difficult thing to accomplish now.  I bet you could modify a single rack
space to mount an EDP above or below a foot controller.  At the moment, I
keep my EDP on top of my amp.  <smile>  -simple and easy!   lol!   
  Anyway, best of luck on yer' new set-up!   Keep us apprised, K?   Talk
soon!...   

Smiles,

Cara

At 12:13 PM 2/16/03 -0800, you wrote:
>I've had a lot of stuff packed away and I just hauled out a very minimalist
>looping rig today consisting guitar --> DG-Stomp --> EDP --> powered
>speaker. Besides the fact that I started exploring unrounded glitch effects
>that I've never really been known for (curse you Andre and Cara ;-) ), I was
>somewhat surprised at how well such a small configuration worked for me.
>This as I'd been planning a new version of my small 6-space rack.
>
>First thought: Gee, I should see whether I can still get a Yamaha DG-80 and
>then I could just stick the EDP in the effects loop and have one less thing
>to haul around. (This, of course, ignores the fact that I'd probably want a
>foot controller for the DG-80, but it's models are a bit more detailed than
>those on the DG-Stomp.)
>
>Second thought: Hmm. Even with such a rig, where do I put the EDP? Andre is
>doing something to have it on the floor but tilted up to be visible, but
>that still seems a bit awkward.
>
>Third thought: As if doing the blackface EDP+ weren't enough, wouldn't it be
>cool if there were a floor unit that combined the EDP footswitch with the
>Echoplex guts. (Cooler still if it had something like the Boomerang's rotary
>fader which I've never used but which looks good for toe operation.)
>
>If that last one existed, then I could just carry around the DG-Stomp, the
>Echoplex floor unit, and a powered speaker.
>
>Mark
>
>P.S. Repeater for sale. Essentially pristine condition. Very minimal use.
>$725 plus shipping.
>
>


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  I said, Incidentally, it only took me less than five mins. to program a
bank for
the EDP,  -I was referring to the FCB with the EDP.   -just wanted to
clarify...  

Smiles,

Cara

At 12:46 AM 2/17/03 -0700, you wrote:
>  Hey Mark!, glad to see ya again, and glad to be a glitch-chick influence!
>  lol!   -sounds like a cool band name!  
>  Yes, I've got a relatively minimal setup too, similar to  what I was
>using in Palo Alto.  My preamp is simply a Pandora, into a volume pedal,
>space station, and then into an EDP, followed by a lil' teeny amp.   I'll
>probably be going with a lil' Vox at the moment.  -am using an FCB to
>control the EDP.  
>  Incidentally, it only took me less than five mins. to program a bank for
>the EDP, -by myself.  -why is it that people seem to be having such a hard
>time with them?...   -just wondering...  
>  Anyway, as far as a pedalboard-EDP combo, That actually might not be a
>difficult thing to accomplish now.  I bet you could modify a single rack
>space to mount an EDP above or below a foot controller.  At the moment, I
>keep my EDP on top of my amp.  <smile>  -simple and easy!   lol!   
>  Anyway, best of luck on yer' new set-up!   Keep us apprised, K?   Talk
>soon!...   
>
>Smiles,
>
>Cara
>
>At 12:13 PM 2/16/03 -0800, you wrote:
>>I've had a lot of stuff packed away and I just hauled out a very minimalist
>>looping rig today consisting guitar --> DG-Stomp --> EDP --> powered
>>speaker. Besides the fact that I started exploring unrounded glitch effects
>>that I've never really been known for (curse you Andre and Cara ;-) ), I was
>>somewhat surprised at how well such a small configuration worked for me.
>>This as I'd been planning a new version of my small 6-space rack.
>>
>>First thought: Gee, I should see whether I can still get a Yamaha DG-80 and
>>then I could just stick the EDP in the effects loop and have one less thing
>>to haul around. (This, of course, ignores the fact that I'd probably want a
>>foot controller for the DG-80, but it's models are a bit more detailed than
>>those on the DG-Stomp.)
>>
>>Second thought: Hmm. Even with such a rig, where do I put the EDP? Andre is
>>doing something to have it on the floor but tilted up to be visible, but
>>that still seems a bit awkward.
>>
>>Third thought: As if doing the blackface EDP+ weren't enough, wouldn't it be
>>cool if there were a floor unit that combined the EDP footswitch with the
>>Echoplex guts. (Cooler still if it had something like the Boomerang's rotary
>>fader which I've never used but which looks good for toe operation.)
>>
>>If that last one existed, then I could just carry around the DG-Stomp, the
>>Echoplex floor unit, and a powered speaker.
>>
>>Mark
>>
>>P.S. Repeater for sale. Essentially pristine condition. Very minimal use.
>>$725 plus shipping.
>>
>>
>
>
>---
>
>  "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother.
>-Then, anything is possible..."  
>
>http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates
>
>Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe.  
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction 
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe 
>
>
>


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1- update to 1.05
http://www.steinberg.net/en/ps/support/downloads/updates/
2-the relevant specialised forum for such questions
http://forum.cubase.net

Claude



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> I've been toying with the idea of replacing my GR-30 with an Axon NGC-77 
midi
>  converter.

Isn't that v.similar to the Yamaha G-50.
(yamaha bought the technology from axon)
If so, it's pretty good.
and much more flexible as a controller than the Roland.

(as long as you don't mind being incorrectly informed by
Yamaha Tech support that the GK2-A p/u is non-compatible!)

andy butler

PS Listmember Richard Zvonar uses the G-50 I think. 

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>  After I installed Loop IV I have this strange problem happening.  When I
>  move (or keep moving) the volume pedal (functioning as a MIDI CC sender for
>  volume control in EDP out of my Yamaha MFC 10) it sometimes trigers other
>  functions, such as overdub, multiply, mute, etc.  And sometimes the loop
>  gets erased alltogether.  This does not happen always, it is unpredictable.
>  But often I hear the volume "jumping/clicking" louder and I notice a third
>  digit 2 quickly appear and disappear on the display (as if 217), as the
>  volume changes between 0 and 127.
> 

did you do the "factory reset thing?".

Sounds like you have ControlSource=Ctr
..change it to "not"

andy butler 

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> What that seems to require is something that will take a stereo signal,
>  split it into two left/right pairs, and sum one of those pairs to feed the
>  EDP. I can combine the signals again at my EQKiller.
>  

If you're going to have to build a box to do this,
why not just get the 1u Behringer MX 882.
(or similar by Rane)

Probably won't cost much more than building your own.

If you go for a passive circuit, I'd suggest just using
resistors and forgetting about the capacitors. You only
need the capacitors if one of your devices is outputing 
(from input OR output) a DC voltage.
For combining a stereo signal into mono, without 
shorting the stereo feed, you'll probably want
20k Ohm resistors (or around that), but best to experiment.  

DO look up Matthias' recent post on the subject.

andy butler
  

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Mark makes a good suggestion.

A free tool to remove Klez, etc and instructions are available from:
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-------------------
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i have been thinking for some time about converting my
edp in this way.  it definitely makes sense to have
the edp indicators where you are looking already (at the 
footswitch) i was thinking of using a midi controller
for the switches, though.  that way you could reprogram them
and have banks and such.  this would have to have a 
merge function to allow midi input to the pedal...

i think a volume control type cc control pedal would be better 
than the boomerang thing, though.
i'm a big fan of the ernie ball pedal, so if i do this i will
probably mount one of those on.  

other projects in the cooker are taking up all my spare time 
at the moment, though.  

>...
> Third thought: As if doing the blackface EDP+ weren't enough, 
> wouldn't it be cool if there were a floor unit that combined 
> the EDP footswitch with the Echoplex guts. (Cooler still if 
> it had something like the Boomerang's rotary fader which I've 
> never used but which looks good for toe operation.)
> 
>...

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All,

At 10:32 AM -0800 2/15/03, Louie Angulo wrote:
>>And yet it seems that the Roland VG 88 didn't quite
>>caught on like the GR synths. I think Fripp and Belew
>>have put them away...
>>Does anyone here in the list use them?

I have been interested in the VG systems for a long time but
keep holding off from going for my wallet for one reason or 
another. I was rather impressed with the VG-8 when it first 
came out. And, as I was told that the VG-88 had some better 
acoustic guitar models in it I tried it out as well a few times 
(finding at least that claim to be somewhat true as far as 
"nylon" strings models go). The built-in controller pedal was 
a nice addition too.

But, I guess I keep hoping that they'll take the next logical step: 
combine the VG and the synth technologies in the same box. 
I have such an array of FX crap laid out on the floor in front 
of me when I play that I cannot reach all of the pedals from 
one singe place (standing or seated) without looking like I'm 
attempting to do the splits (an impossibility at my age).

Plus, I have some fairly odd routing/splitting requirements that 
the VGs won't quite accommodate (as far as I know) anyway. 
Anywho, I realize now that this has about zilch to do with looping
and apologize for contributing to this OT thread.

Best,

tEd � kiLLiAn

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You can usually track down the actual person who's sending the Klez
emails to you by looking at the full headers.

The Sender: field should have the same and address of the actual
person with the virus.  To be sure, check several copies of the
virus attempt -- they should have different (forged) Reply-To:
and From: fields but the same Sender: field (the actual infected machine).

Give it a try... I know it's not me, I am on a Mac!

    /t

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Here is a free tool with instructions:

http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.klez.removal.too
l.html

Note: You may have to splice the URL together.

Note 2: I posted this before, but it didn't seem to get through.  Apologies
if this is a redundant message.

Dennis Leas
-------------------
dennis@mail.worldserver.com

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http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/ 
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On Sunday, February 16, 2003, at 10:47 PM, Kirkland Mack wrote:

> This could very well be me. How do I do this? Thanks. - Kirkland
>
>  

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At 12:35 AM -0500 2/17/03, Looping9string@aol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 2/16/2003 7:55:58 PM Mountain Standard Time, 
>sine@zerocrossing.net writes:
>
>>Can you PLEASE deworm your machine?
>>
>
>
>Mark, could you give someone assuming they don't know much about it 
>... how and where to get started in obliging your request?

1) Type "klez" into google.
2) Learn about klez.
3) Find a workable solution.

Like Mark, I'm a Mac user so this isn't a serious problem for me. 
Therefore I'm ignorant about what's necessary to eradicate the 
problem. There are, however, several software tools being advertised 
as klez eradicators.

Symantec
http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.klez.h@mm.html

McAfee
http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_99367.htm

Trend Micro
http://www.trendmicro.com/en/security/advisories/klez.htm

Kaspersky Labs
http://downloads.zdnet.co.uk/downloads/detail/1002-2239-10104613.html
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<div>At 12:35 AM -0500 2/17/03, Looping9string@aol.com wrote:</div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Arial" size="-1">In a message
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<blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Arial" size="-1">Can you
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request?</font></blockquote>
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<blockquote>1) Type &quot;klez&quot; into google.</blockquote>
<blockquote>2) Learn about klez.</blockquote>
<blockquote>3) Find a workable solution.</blockquote>
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<div>Like Mark, I'm a Mac user so this isn't a serious problem for me.
Therefore I'm ignorant about what's necessary to eradicate the
problem. There are, however, several software tools being advertised
as klez eradicators.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Symantec</div>
<div
>http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.klez.h@m<span
></span>m.html</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>McAfee</div>
<div>http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_99367.htm</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Trend Micro</div>
<div>http://www.trendmicro.com/en/security/advisories/klez.htm</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Kaspersky Labs</div>
<div
>http://downloads.zdnet.co.uk/downloads/detail/1002-2239-10104613.html</div
>
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Yes. Kim seems to have emerged from the wrong side of the bed that day, (not
for the first time).

On topic though - I found the age thread strangely interesting - Further to
this,
how frequently do members of the list loop? I tend to loop fairly
infrequently but when I get started......!
I reckon I'm a 3 hours a week guy though I'm on a week's holiday at the mome
so that'll multiply by a factor of 4 this week.

G


> Kim can be so subtle.
>
> On Saturday, February 15, 2003, at 09:26 PM, Kim Flint wrote:
>
> > At 04:01 PM 2/15/2003, Gary Phillips wrote:
> >> Am I the only Photon MIDI converter owner
> >> on the list..?
> >
> > would you really be surprised if you were? A large portion of this
> > list doesn't play guitar. Very few of the guitarists play guitar
> > synth. You will likely find a lot more people to talk to about this on
> > one of the lists that specialize in guitar synth, like:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital-guitar/
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/midiguitar/
> >
> > kim
> >
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________________
> > Kim Flint                     | Looper's Delight
> > kflint@loopers-delight.com    | http://www.loopers-delight.com
> >
>
>

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It wouldn't be too hard to design new metalwork to incorporate an EDP &
Footcontroller in a floor unit with the display pointing up at the user.
If anyone is willing to pay for my time, (material cost is
insignificant), I'll design and build it. Oh, you'd also have to pay for
the EDP guts, PCB etc. but I guess I could get one of those cheap.
Andy Ewen,
Echoplex Production Manager

-----Original Message-----
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Hi Mark (thanks for sending the Palo Alto gig photo, by the way!),

Mark Hamburg wrote:
> Besides the fact that I started exploring unrounded glitch effects
> that I've never really been known for (curse you Andre and Cara ;-) )

Bwahahahahahaha....

> where do I put the EDP? Andre is
> doing something to have it on the floor but tilted up to be visible,
but
> that still seems a bit awkward.

It's a small and very portable $15 Fender electric guitar stand; I turn
it backwards (so that the main support rod is facing me) and tilt the
EDP up at about a 45 degree angle towards me, parked right in front of
the foot controller.  The balance is fine, so it's in no danger of
sliding off.

It's probably the best solution I've come up with in terms of EDP
placement; the theory is that, since I have to look at the pedalboard
anyway, I might as well have the Echoplex in the same basic spot.  And I
think it looks a bit more elegant from a performance point of view - it
FEELS better than constantly looking to my side at a rack or stand,
anyhow.  This way I can pretend I'm just shoegazing while I try to cop
some Kevin Shields licks...

> Third thought: As if doing the blackface EDP+ weren't enough, wouldn't
it be
> cool if there were a floor unit that combined the EDP footswitch with
the
> Echoplex guts. 

If you get a padded single-space rack case and some sort of mount for
the EDP a la a guitar stand, it's almost as good...  I know what you
mean, tho.

Anyway,

--Andre LaFosse
The Echoplex Analysis Pages:
http://www.altruistmusic.com



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Usually about 4 hours a week--unless I use 'em in a gig.
Gary

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I got to tell you it can't be coming through the list server, so you
must be getting it from someone who is sending to your email address
directly. I haven't heard anyone else mention this kind of activity
against there email accounts through this server.

Below are some solutions for removing klez, but I would be careful with
these as they usually do as much damage as they do repair.
http://www.mcafee.com/anti-virus/virus_removal/default.asp

You might want to consider the following next
http://www.symantec.com/nav/nav_mac/


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] 
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 9:55 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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Sorry for the misdirect, but I had to get some attention.  I'm 
*constantly* getting messages generated by the klez worm.  I'm sure 
it's from loopers delight list members, as it's really the only thing I 
use this email address for.  It's really getting out of control.  I get 
another few emails for every valid one at this point.  More proof that 
it's from loopers is I'm getting little gif and jpg attachments of 
things like Lab series guitar amps and Boss delay pedals.  An 
occasional thumbnail of a nice porn shot too, so I know there are 
hetrosexual men out there.  Yee haw.

Can you PLEASE deworm your machine?  I've got a Mac so I know it's not 
me.  This is getting out of control and has been going on for do damn 
long.  Before you dismiss this email say to yourself, "It's me"  then 
fix it.  If it wasn't you: BONUS!  If it was you, it's about time.  
Don't be a jerk.  Have some honor and pay attention.

That's all.

Mark Sottilaro

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Well, you definitely spoke to the right guy. Gil Pini is a top bloke and
has been involved in Echoplex sales for years. There is still confusion
as some of the shops have ordered EDPs without Footcontrollers and
Gibson are indeed going to unpack them and take the F/Ss out. I spoke to
Clive @ Gibson UK today and he has asked that I supply them with empty
boxes for re-packing the F/Ss, so my flippant comment below turns out to
be close to the truth!

Official MSRP for the Echoplex+ is $1300 and the Footcontroller is $165.
However these are 'A' list products and should be heavily discounted in
stores. We don't have the same 'A B C' product listings here tin the UK;
when the manufacturer sets a suggested retail price, that's usually what
you end up paying. In the US I understand, it's up to the individual
dealer to sell for what they like, so I still can't say what you'd
expect to pay for both, or indeed one or t'other. When they hit the
stores soon, I guess it will all become clear.
It's the stores themselves who want to sell the Footcontroller as
separate item and that's screwing everything up. Ideally, you should get
both units (as they are shipped in the same box), unless you
specifically don't require a F/S and then order just the EDP+ as a
special purchase....but that'd be too easy :)
Sorry I can't be of any more help at this time.
Andy.

-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Wiley [mailto:matthewf5@hotmail.com] 
Sent: 17 February 2003 04:59
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hey there,
i spoke to a guy named gill at gibson friday the 14th and he said that
the 
first units were going to specific stores, so i called the stores and
got 
their prices and they all told me that the footcontroller WAS sold as a 
seperate item.  they may not know that the footcontroller is as you say 
included.  you should know as you are production manager.  they must not

realize this yet.  communication from gibson has been really screwy in
the 
past.  i just wish i could find out what the deal is with this whole
deal.  
are the controllers included or not and what is the price
w/footcontroller 
and without.
thanks
matt wiley



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>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>Subject: RE: black face EDP pricing (foot controller)
>Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 08:54:23 -0000
>
>That was me! I'm sorry to disagree, but I just personally oversaw 200
>EDP+ packed into boxes WITH the footcontroller, (which is now black as
>well). I can't believe that Gibson are going to unpack them all, take
>out the footcontrollers and sell them separately. For one thing, they
>won't have any suitable boxes.
>Might I ask who at Gibson gave you this information? They may be
getting
>confused with the last 100 Beigeface units that we have already shipped
>to them.
>
>I haven't posted anything about pricing yet as I want to be sure to get
>the correct information from Clive @ Gibson next week. I will then
>inform the list.
>
>Andy Ewen,
>Echoplex Production Manager.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Matthew Wiley [mailto:matthewf5@hotmail.com]
>Sent: 14 February 2003 22:15
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Subject: Re: black face EDP pricing (foot controller)
>
>
>
>i have checked and whoever posted saying that the new EDP+ comes
equiped
>
>with the footcontoller is wrong.  This info came from gibson and they
>said
>that the units are sold separately, so not such a great deal after all.
>
>peace
>matt
>
> >From: Jhsidlo@aol.com
> >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >Subject: black face EDP pricing (foot controller)
> >Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 13:12:17 -0500
> >
> >      I e-mailed Musician's Friend and the $800+ price does not
include
>the
> >foot controller. This in relationship to a LD post saying that the
foot
>
> >controller was included in the price.
> >      If there's any store that offers the whole "shebang" for that
>price
> >range, I might be interested.
> >
> >
> >                          Ciao, James
>
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<http://www.pedalboards.com/> makes a board with a
folding rack system so your foot controller (as well
as a few pedals) can go under the EDP, with the EDP
looking up at you.

PedalPad <http://pedalpad.com/product.htm> makes a
three-tiered board where the top step can hold rack
units, although it looks like the rack isn't too deep.

SKB makes (made?) one too; the PS-100 is a pedalboard
with a 3U rack cantilevered over it. Kind of bulky
with the cover on it, but a quick setup...

-t-

ps: for more of this kind of stuff, and to post photos
of your looping rig, c'mon over to <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pedalboards/>

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Well there you go, historically they have been selling the footswitch
separatelly and I guess that trend will continue. Does anyone no what if
any improvements over the previous hardware architecture they may have
made in the new version, because if they haven't then order the previous
version from Altomusic /w footswitch and upgrade the chipset to Loop IV.
New exterior packaging doesn't necessarilly add more value over the
previous version.

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Ewen [mailto:andy.ewen@btinternet.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 1:52 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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Well, you definitely spoke to the right guy. Gil Pini is a top bloke and
has been involved in Echoplex sales for years. There is still confusion
as some of the shops have ordered EDPs without Footcontrollers and
Gibson are indeed going to unpack them and take the F/Ss out. I spoke to
Clive @ Gibson UK today and he has asked that I supply them with empty
boxes for re-packing the F/Ss, so my flippant comment below turns out to
be close to the truth!

Official MSRP for the Echoplex+ is $1300 and the Footcontroller is $165.
However these are 'A' list products and should be heavily discounted in
stores. We don't have the same 'A B C' product listings here tin the UK;
when the manufacturer sets a suggested retail price, that's usually what
you end up paying. In the US I understand, it's up to the individual
dealer to sell for what they like, so I still can't say what you'd
expect to pay for both, or indeed one or t'other. When they hit the
stores soon, I guess it will all become clear. It's the stores
themselves who want to sell the Footcontroller as separate item and
that's screwing everything up. Ideally, you should get both units (as
they are shipped in the same box), unless you specifically don't require
a F/S and then order just the EDP+ as a special purchase....but that'd
be too easy :) Sorry I can't be of any more help at this time. Andy.

-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Wiley [mailto:matthewf5@hotmail.com] 
Sent: 17 February 2003 04:59
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: black face EDP pricing (foot controller)

hey there,
i spoke to a guy named gill at gibson friday the 14th and he said that
the 
first units were going to specific stores, so i called the stores and
got 
their prices and they all told me that the footcontroller WAS sold as a 
seperate item.  they may not know that the footcontroller is as you say 
included.  you should know as you are production manager.  they must not

realize this yet.  communication from gibson has been really screwy in
the 
past.  i just wish i could find out what the deal is with this whole
deal.  
are the controllers included or not and what is the price
w/footcontroller 
and without.
thanks
matt wiley



>From: "Andy Ewen" <andy.ewen@btinternet.com>
>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>Subject: RE: black face EDP pricing (foot controller)
>Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 08:54:23 -0000
>
>That was me! I'm sorry to disagree, but I just personally oversaw 200
>EDP+ packed into boxes WITH the footcontroller, (which is now black as
>well). I can't believe that Gibson are going to unpack them all, take 
>out the footcontrollers and sell them separately. For one thing, they 
>won't have any suitable boxes. Might I ask who at Gibson gave you this 
>information? They may be
getting
>confused with the last 100 Beigeface units that we have already shipped

>to them.
>
>I haven't posted anything about pricing yet as I want to be sure to get

>the correct information from Clive @ Gibson next week. I will then 
>inform the list.
>
>Andy Ewen,
>Echoplex Production Manager.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Matthew Wiley [mailto:matthewf5@hotmail.com]
>Sent: 14 February 2003 22:15
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Subject: Re: black face EDP pricing (foot controller)
>
>
>
>i have checked and whoever posted saying that the new EDP+ comes
equiped
>
>with the footcontoller is wrong.  This info came from gibson and they 
>said that the units are sold separately, so not such a great deal after

>all.
>
>peace
>matt
>
> >From: Jhsidlo@aol.com
> >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >Subject: black face EDP pricing (foot controller)
> >Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 13:12:17 -0500
> >
> >      I e-mailed Musician's Friend and the $800+ price does not
include
>the
> >foot controller. This in relationship to a LD post saying that the
foot
>
> >controller was included in the price.
> >      If there's any store that offers the whole "shebang" for that
>price
> >range, I might be interested.
> >
> >
> >                          Ciao, James
>
>
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In researching those links I sent re: rackmount
pedalboards, I stumbled across a shot of John
Scofield's rig, which in turn led me to this:
<http://johnscofield.com/equip.html>

A 'Rang, an RC-20 *AND* a DL-4!

-t-

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I posted a huge list of the changes to the new EDP last week. I've just
sent it to your personal address so I don't clog up LD again with it!
 
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>Does anyone no what if any improvements over the previous hardware
>architecture they may have made in the new version, 




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Mcafee works too, whats more important is to not download garbageware to
your PC, you are particularly susceptable if you are running those lame
giveaway/throw away OSs like Win 9x and ME.
-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Ewen [mailto:andy.ewen@btinternet.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 2:16 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Free Repeater to a good home


If you're running a PC and haven't got decent anti-virus software
installed, I thoroughly recommend Norton Antivirus 2003. It works
superbly, scans e-mail coming in & going out and doesn't give too much
of a performance hit. I installed this in an old PC at work which was
playing up and it found 7 separate viruses, some of which were
particularly nasty and one which had been in the machine for years. Make
sure you update any anti-virus software at least weekly, or set it to
auto-update when you go on-line.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Looping9string@aol.com [mailto:Looping9string@aol.com] 
Sent: 17 February 2003 05:35
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Free Repeater to a good home
 
In a message dated 2/16/2003 7:55:58 PM Mountain Standard Time,
sine@zerocrossing.net writes:



Can you PLEASE deworm your machine?


Mark, could you give someone assuming they don't know much about it ...
how and where to get started in obliging your request?

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  face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Andy =
Ewen=20
  [mailto:andy.ewen@btinternet.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February =
17, 2003=20
  2:16 PM<BR><B>To:</B> =
Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
  RE: Free Repeater to a good home<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If =
you&#8217;re running a=20
  PC and haven&#8217;t got decent anti-virus software installed, I =
thoroughly=20
  recommend Norton Antivirus 2003. It works superbly, scans e-mail =
coming in=20
  &amp; going out and doesn&#8217;t give too much of a performance hit. =
I installed=20
  this in an old PC at work which was playing up and it found 7 separate =

  viruses, some of which were particularly nasty and one which had been =
in the=20
  machine for years. Make sure you update any anti-virus software at =
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  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> 17 February 2003 =
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Yup, XP is the only way to go if you have to use an OS from Uncle Bill.
It seems to pretty immune to what's out there at the moment. ME has
caused me to flatten 6 hard drives in the last few months due to totally
irremovable viruses on various un-related PCs. 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Kroeger [mailto:alan@akroeger.com] 
Sent: 17 February 2003 19:40
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Free Repeater to a good home
 
Mcafee works too, whats more important is to not download garbageware to
your PC, you are particularly susceptable if you are running those lame
giveaway/throw away OSs like Win 9x and ME.
-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Ewen [mailto:andy.ewen@btinternet.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 2:16 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Free Repeater to a good home
If you're running a PC and haven't got decent anti-virus software
installed, I thoroughly recommend Norton Antivirus 2003. It works
superbly, scans e-mail coming in & going out and doesn't give too much
of a performance hit. I installed this in an old PC at work which was
playing up and it found 7 separate viruses, some of which were
particularly nasty and one which had been in the machine for years. Make
sure you update any anti-virus software at least weekly, or set it to
auto-update when you go on-line.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Looping9string@aol.com [mailto:Looping9string@aol.com] 
Sent: 17 February 2003 05:35
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Free Repeater to a good home
 
In a message dated 2/16/2003 7:55:58 PM Mountain Standard Time,
sine@zerocrossing.net writes:



Can you PLEASE deworm your machine?


Mark, could you give someone assuming they don't know much about it ...
how and where to get started in obliging your request?

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you have
to use an OS from Uncle Bill. It seems to pretty immune to what&#8217;s =
out
there at the moment. ME has caused me to flatten 6 hard drives in the =
last few
months due to totally irremovable viruses on various un-related PCs. =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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--Original
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Alan Kroeger
[mailto:alan@akroeger.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> =
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: Free =
Repeater to a
good home</span></font></p>

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color=3Dblue
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Mcafee
works too, whats more important is to not download garbageware to your =
PC, you
are&nbsp;particularly susceptable if you are running those lame =
giveaway/throw
away&nbsp;OSs like Win 9x and ME.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: Free =
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good home</span></font><span lang=3DEN-US =
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color:navy'>If you&#8217;re running a PC and haven&#8217;t got decent
anti-virus software installed, I thoroughly recommend Norton Antivirus =
2003. It
works superbly, scans e-mail coming in &amp; going out and doesn&#8217;t =
give
too much of a performance hit. I installed this in an old PC at work =
which was
playing up and it found 7 separate viruses, some of which were =
particularly
nasty and one which had been in the machine for years. Make sure you =
update any
anti-virus software at least weekly, or set it to auto-update when you =
go
on-line.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> =
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[mailto:Looping9string@aol.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> =
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Free =
Repeater to a
good home</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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face=3DArial><span
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machine?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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how and
where to get started in obliging your =
request?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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I had put together a minimal "porta" rig a while ago, but I keep taking 
out the "big guns" mainly because of the synth I have in my big rack.  
The new mini rig will go like this:

Guitar into

Digitech GNX2

Repeater with a Korg KAOSS pad II in it's effects loop

PA

This simple rig sets up in under 10 min in the dark.  The problem is 
it's got no drum machine as part of it.  Once you add that, you then 
need a mixer and midi cables.  This seems to almost double set up time. 
  But wait, maybe a processor for the drum machine!  Surely I must have 
that!  OK, add a Air FX to that.  Wait!  No MIDI guitar?  Surely I must 
have some MIDI guitar?  Tack on a GR-30 to that... ooo, that sound 
source is awful dry and uninteresting... maybe I'll sneak in a Korg 
MS2000R to beef it up...

Oh no!  My "Mini" rig now takes longer to set up than my full rig!

So this has been my problem.  I always think of the scene in The Matrix 
where they're in the "loading construct" and Neo says, "Guns.  Lot's of 
GUNS."  I want LOTS OF GUNS when I play.  I have a certain sound I want 
to create, and it's hard for me to not want to schlep my entire studio 
out with me each time I play.  So much so that I'm kind of thinking I 
may totally stop playing live for a while.  This is something I keep 
wrestling with.  I don't get much money for playing live.  I have a 
hard time monitoring what's going on, which makes improvisation hard.  
It takes almost as much time in break down moving and set up as I 
usually play, and it's all awkward and heavy to move.  Add on to that 
the fact that I often feel tethered to my gear, so that after my part 
(in a "festival type" of show) I feel like I've got to load up my car 
and then go.

I guess this this is all coming from my last gig at Ascension 3 in SF.  
(http://www.redbullascension.com/)  It was a great gig, but I always 
feel like the shear effort of all of it just isn't worth it.  I get 
more good feedback from posting stuff here.  I get more good jams going 
here in my living room.

I think all of this would be different if I was part of a band and I 
had other people totally responsible for their part of the deal.  Like 
a bass player (the Stick player I was playing with got a boyfriend and 
has not touched her instrument since)  and percussionist/DJ type.  If 
there are any of you out there in the SF area, send me an email and 
maybe we can get together.

Mark Sottilaro

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maybe I missed something ... you guys who use both the EDP + AdrenaLinn, are
there any audio examples of what you've done with this combination?

= michael peters
= veloopity.iuma.com

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Yes, but then its all just a matter of what they are paying you to use
and unfortunate that some very large organization still use such a
dangerous OSs like 9x and ME. It might be useful if everyone were to
stop sending as HTML and send as text only it does reduce the chances of
spreading viruses with one less transport mechanism.
On Mon, 2003-02-17 at 15:17, Andy Ewen wrote:
> Yup, XP is the only way to go if you have to use an OS from Uncle
> Bill. It seems to pretty immune to what’s out there at the moment. ME
> has caused me to flatten 6 hard drives in the last few months due to
> totally irremovable viruses on various un-related PCs. 
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Kroeger [mailto:alan@akroeger.com] 
> Sent: 17 February 200319:40
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: RE: Free Repeater to a good home
> 
>  
> 
> Mcafee works too, whats more important is to not download garbageware
> to your PC, you are particularly susceptable if you are running those
> lame giveaway/throw away OSs like Win 9x and ME.
> 
> 
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From: Andy Ewen [mailto:andy.ewen@btinternet.com] 
>         Sent: Monday, February 17, 20032:16 PM
>         To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>         Subject: RE: Free Repeater to a good home
>         
>         If you’re running a PC and haven’t got decent anti-virus
>         software installed, I thoroughly recommend Norton Antivirus
>         2003. It works superbly, scans e-mail coming in & going out
>         and doesn’t give too much of a performance hit. I installed
>         this in an old PC at work which was playing up and it found 7
>         separate viruses, some of which were particularly nasty and
>         one which had been in the machine for years. Make sure you
>         update any anti-virus software at least weekly, or set it to
>         auto-update when you go on-line.
>         
>          
>         
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From: Looping9string@aol.com [mailto:Looping9string@aol.com] 
>         Sent: 17 February 200305:35
>         To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>         Subject: Re: Free Repeater to a good home
>         
>          
>         
>         In a message dated 2/16/2003 7:55:58 PM Mountain Standard
>         Time, sine@zerocrossing.net writes:
>         
>         
>         
>         
>         Can you PLEASE deworm your machine?
>         
>         
>         
>         Mark, could you give someone assuming they don't know much
>         about it ... how and where to get started in obliging your
>         request?
>         
> 

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>
>
>Oh no!  My "Mini" rig now takes longer to set up than my full rig!
>
>So this has been my problem.  I always think of the scene in The 
>Matrix where they're in the "loading construct" and Neo says, "Guns. 
>Lot's of GUNS."  I want LOTS OF GUNS when I play.  I have a certain 
>sound I want to create, and it's hard for me to not want to schlep 
>my entire studio out with me each time I play.  So much so that I'm 
>kind of thinking I may totally stop playing live for a while.  This 
>is something I keep wrestling with.  I don't get much money for 
>playing live.  I have a hard time monitoring what's going on, which 
>makes improvisation hard.  It takes almost as much time in break 
>down moving and set up as I usually play, and it's all awkward and 
>heavy to move.  Add on to that the fact that I often feel tethered 
>to my gear, so that after my part (in a "festival type" of show) I 
>feel like I've got to load up my car and then go.
>
>I guess this this is all coming from my last gig at Ascension 3 in 
>SF.  (http://www.redbullascension.com/)  It was a great gig, but I 
>always feel like the shear effort of all of it just isn't worth it. 
>I get more good feedback from posting stuff here.  I get more good 
>jams going here in my living room.
>
>I think all of this would be different if I was part of a band and I 
>had other people totally responsible for their part of the deal. 
>Like a bass player (the Stick player I was playing with got a 
>boyfriend and has not touched her instrument since)  and 
>percussionist/DJ type.  If there are any of you out there in the SF 
>area, send me an email and maybe we can get together.
>

Mark, man, I feel your pain, mostly in my lower back :-)

The majority of my gigging lately has been with an avant jazz/funk 
sextet, in which I play bass. Originally, I was just taking my bass, 
cords and amp, no effects, no loopers, nada. Was really digging the 
minimalist approach. Then, I was thinking, "ya know, synth bass'd 
sound cool on a few tunes", so I added the Nord Lead, of course, it 
sounds kinda dry, so I added a DL-4. Of course, this means I add a 
keyboard stand, and a mixer, an extension cord to get AC to the front 
of the stage, and on and on. Plus, our turntable guy has started 
bringing in sampled loops in his Dr. Sample, and the drummer needs a 
headphone mix for that, so I bring a boss mixer for that, and I'm 
thinking, "hey, if the drummers got headphones, I can send him loops 
from bass and keys", so I start to bring the Boomerang, and now I'm 
thinking some sequenced bass on the MicroModular or (soon to arrive ) 
Evolver would be cool, so I could solo on keys over a bass line. 
Yadda yadda yadda.

I do about 3-4 looping gigs a year, with the 
Rhodes/MC303/Repeater/JamMan, etc setup I mentioned a few days ago, 
one of which was the Portland Loopfest. For as much gear as it is, 
it's pretty mobile, I'm contemplating replacing the Rhodes with a 
Nord Electro, but can't afford it at the moment . I don't make much 
money from these gigs, but they always seem well received, and that 
makes it worthwhile for me. I'm doing another one in a little over a 
week, with the same sax player and turntablist as the loopfest, and 
really looking forward to it. Maybe because where I am, there isn't 
an abundance of live electronic music, the shows I do are seen as 
pretty unusual, and get a good response.

My wife often asks why I bother with these gigs, why not just record. 
I dunno, I thrive on the interaction, both with other players and 
with the audience. Something about going in front of people adds an 
edge to everything. I went for a 4 year period of not playing any 
gigs, about 10 years ago. I was almost 30, and figured it was time 
for me to "grow up" and get on with my life, like most of the other 
musicians I was playing with at the time. I was miserable and 
neurotic for most of that period. My wife suggested I start playing 
out again, and I started being happy again.

And, BTW, if I were in the bay area, I'd join your band in a heartbeat!

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http://homepage.mac.com/ngold/FileSharing2.html

Mideasty.mp3 and Mideast2.mp3 use a sequenced pitch and filter effect
and drumbeat from the Adrenalinn. 



-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Peters [mailto:mpeters@csi.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 12:30 PM
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maybe I missed something ... you guys who use both the EDP + AdrenaLinn,
are
there any audio examples of what you've done with this combination?

= michael peters
= veloopity.iuma.com


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Thanks Richard.  Someone made a comment about the dangerous nature of =20=

OS 9.  I've only had my anti virus detect a single "auto start" virus =20=

on my machine in all my years of Mac using.

Mark  Sottilaro

On Monday, February 17, 2003, at 09:58 AM, Richard Zvonar wrote:

> At 12:35 AM -0500 2/17/03, Looping9string@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 2/16/2003 7:55:58 PM Mountain Standard Time, =20
> sine@zerocrossing.net writes:
>
> Can you PLEASE deworm your machine?
>
>
>
> Mark, could you give someone assuming they don't know much about it =20=

> ... how and where to get started in obliging your request?
>
>
> 1) Type "klez" into google.
>
> 2) Learn about klez.
>
> 3) Find a workable solution.
>
>
> Like Mark, I'm a Mac user so this isn't a serious problem for me. =20
> Therefore I'm ignorant about what's necessary to eradicate the =20
> problem. There are, however, several software tools being advertised =20=

> as klez eradicators.
>
> Symantec
> http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/=20
> w32.klez.h@mm.html
>
> McAfee
> http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_99367.htm
>
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>
> Kaspersky Labs
> http://downloads.zdnet.co.uk/downloads/detail/1002-2239-10104613.html
>
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Thanks Richard.  Someone made a comment about the dangerous nature of
OS 9.  I've only had my anti virus detect a single "auto start" virus
on my machine in all my years of Mac using.


Mark  Sottilaro


On Monday, February 17, 2003, at 09:58 AM, Richard Zvonar wrote:


<excerpt>At 12:35 AM -0500 2/17/03, Looping9string@aol.com wrote:


<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller><smaller>In a message dated
2/16/2003 7:55:58 PM Mountain Standard Time, sine@zerocrossing.net
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</smaller></smaller></fontfamily>

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deworm your machine?

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<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller><smaller>Mark, could you give
someone assuming they don't know much about it ... how and where to
get started in obliging your request?</smaller></smaller></fontfamily>



1) Type "klez" into google.


2) Learn about klez.


3) Find a workable solution.



Like Mark, I'm a Mac user so this isn't a serious problem for me.
Therefore I'm ignorant about what's necessary to eradicate the
problem. There are, however, several software tools being advertised
as klez eradicators.


Symantec

=
http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.klez.h@mm.html=



McAfee

http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_99367.htm


Trend Micro

http://www.trendmicro.com/en/security/advisories/klez.htm


Kaspersky Labs

http://downloads.zdnet.co.uk/downloads/detail/1002-2239-10104613.html


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Mark,

In a message dated 2/17/03 12:19:38 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net writes:

>So this has been my problem. I always think of the scene in The Matrix
>where they're in the "loading construct" and Neo says, "Guns.  Lot's of
>GUNS."  I want LOTS OF GUNS when I play.  I have a certain sound I want
>to create, and it's hard for me to not want to schlep my entire studio
>out with me each time I play.  So much so that I'm kind of thinking I 
>may totally stop playing live for a while. This is something I keep 
>wrestling with. 

I am sooooo THERE! I can really understand 'cause I'm in the same
situation essentially. Add to that the fact that I'm nearly 50, have 
developed a hernia (and this stuff is heavy), plus the fact that I'm 
in a cultural backwater and if it ain't "Classic Rock" or Country 
almost no one gives a flip in Southern Oregon. No wonder most 
of my gigs (when I do them) are somewhere else.

End of old fart, whining, and complaining rant.

Actually doing the minimal acoustic rig gig I did a week ago was quite 
fulfilling. I may do more if the way of things continues. Acoustic 
takes a different sort of "chops" to be sure. But It was not lacking 
in rewards. I hate to "mellow out" just as I've gotten the "angry hands"
guitar thing going (heheheh) but I may have to for survival's sake. And,
for a Medford audience, even though they didn't how to categorize
what I was doing, they seemed to like it and ask about it afterwards.

Oh well . . .

tEd � kiLLiAn

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All,

I piddled around with one of these at NAMM but couldn't
get the rep's attention (can hardly blame him) long enough
to ask any questions. Anyone have the deeper scoop on this 
puppy? Seems like it would be a terrific loop transmogrifier.

tEd � kiLLiAn

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> Incidentally, it only took me less than five mins. to program a bank for
>  the EDP, -by myself.  -why is it that people seem to be having such a hard
>  time with them?...   -just wondering... 

1) a lot of button presses to learn
2) the 2.5s for a "longpress" 
3) if you want to control FB with the pedal, you have to program
     it in for every switch you want to use.
4) no visual feedback as to which switch/bank you are editing once you
    start to edit.
5) lazy
6) guitarist

andy butler 

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Ha, Ha that's a good answer I have a few more to add to that list
7) I have a day job
8) the FC-7 stil works pretty good
9) I just got finnished installing and configuring Sendmail with Ldap
and I'm tired of technology
10) all of the above

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> Incidentally, it only took me less than five mins. to program a bank 
> for  the EDP, -by myself.  -why is it that people seem to be having
such a hard
>  time with them?...   -just wondering... 

1) a lot of button presses to learn
2) the 2.5s for a "longpress" 
3) if you want to control FB with the pedal, you have to program
     it in for every switch you want to use.
4) no visual feedback as to which switch/bank you are editing once you
    start to edit.
5) lazy
6) guitarist

andy butler 

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I feel lucky in that after going through a "maximal rig" setup for a year,
I've come down to a very small one that is working for me.
I started to feel with the "max" rig that, even though the gigs were well
received, I just hated going out of the house -- so much so that I was
contemplating stopping performing live.  Then I did a superminimal gig --
just a headrush, a vocal mic and my breath synth -- that was really well
received.  I realized from that that the core of what I do that moves people
is singing and breath synth playing -- so I restructured and downsized.  The
irony is, as a keyboard-playing friend pointed out to me who's seen me go
through all my gear changes, I'm back to exactly what I started with -- one
EDP, a Kaos Pad (II), a wireless mic, a breath synth and a Korg NX5R with a
small evolution controller.  And no mixer -- the mic and VL70 (breath synth
module) plug into the back of the NX5R, which thankfully has an audio input
-- the NX5R goes straight into the Kaos Pad, the Kaos pad goes into the EDP.
Simplicity itself, and 5 or 10 minutes to pack up and set up -- and light!
What's changed since 2 years ago is I've gotten much clearer about the music
I want to play.  Another irony -- the ideas that are proving fruitful are
the ideas I came to when I first started looping.  But I wasn't certain
these were the really fruitful ideas, so I went through about a year and a
half of experimentation and improvisation (a lot of it in front of
audiences) until it became clear that these original ideas were the best and
merit my attention.
I've discovered there are 2 kinds of looping/performing I do.
One is shamanistic/spiritual/therapeutic, and more often than not for myself
-- putting on the headphones to create a really private space, and going
off, singing, playing, entrancing, often singing or saying out loud stream
of consciousness thoughts that I need to integrate. Kind of a waking
dreamstate. My therapist pointed out that this is a way I can engage both my
left and right brains together and integrate psychic material.
The other is more for live performance, and recently I've discovered I
prefer actually writing compositions, rhythmic cycles, chants, and songs to
play in concert.  Many have a head that is  performed live with no looping,
then I might loop a chorus or section or drone to improvise on.
Of course these two modes influence each other and spill over -- but they
are different.

Back to the rig -
I am often tempted to add another piece of gear back -- "Gee, I really miss
my second EDP" is the most frequent thought.  But I'm discovering I can
replace gear with musical technique.  For example, instead of using one EDP
for rhythmic loops and one for melodic/chordal material and then breaking
down to the rhythmic loop by muting the other EDP, I can go to a clean loop,
play a rhythmic part on a synth while chanting a rhythm with my breath with
a suitable delay on the Kaos pad -- and I have my rhythmic loop.
This requires more thought and practice.
My inspiration nowadays is an Indian musician I saw playing with Zakir
Hussain who had dedicated his life, it seems, to playing a clay pot.  Not
two clay pots, not three clay pots -- one clay pot.
Cheers!

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I have used one extensively and found it good but very limited.

It works well for very basic looping.  no reverse.  It is multi 
track. 8 to be precise, 4 in stereo.  You can overdub on each 
track.  The looping is after fx.  The fx and sound quality are 
good.  most inconvenient is that there is no multiply function 
the first loop on the first track sets the length of all the 
other tracks and loops.  once laid down with out resampling you 
really can't modify the loops much.  

I wrote a review of the GNX3 for LD, but I think it got lost in 
the mix.  Hope this helps

I am looking to move on and get an EDP or repeater.  Any 
suggestions?  Any leads?

~Ben
____________________________________


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     or would you hear me, lord, if I bled . . .



---- On Sun, 16 Feb 2003, chrismandel@juno.com 
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> Is anyone in loop land using one of these as a looper.  None 
of the info I've found goes into much
> detail.  Overdub? Undo? reverse? Is the looping before or 
after other effects?  From a looping stand
> point is the gnx3 for real?
> -Chris
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I think the comment was about MS Windows 95,98 etc. = 9.x and ME, not
about the Mac OS. 

-----Original Message-----
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Thanks Richard. Someone made a comment about the dangerous nature of OS
9. I've only had my anti virus detect a single "auto start" virus on my
machine in all my years of Mac using.

Mark Sottilaro

On Monday, February 17, 2003, at 09:58 AM, Richard Zvonar wrote:



At 12:35 AM -0500 2/17/03, Looping9string@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 2/16/2003 7:55:58 PM Mountain Standard Time,
sine@zerocrossing.net writes:

Can you PLEASE deworm your machine?



Mark, could you give someone assuming they don't know much about it ...
how and where to get started in obliging your request?


1) Type "klez" into google.

2) Learn about klez.

3) Find a workable solution.


Like Mark, I'm a Mac user so this isn't a serious problem for me.
Therefore I'm ignorant about what's necessary to eradicate the problem.
There are, however, several software tools being advertised as klez
eradicators.

Symantec
http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.klez.h@mm.ht
ml

McAfee
http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_99367.htm

Trend Micro
http://www.trendmicro.com/en/security/advisories/klez.htm

Kaspersky Labs
http://downloads.zdnet.co.uk/downloads/detail/1002-2239-10104613.html

-- 


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(818) 788-2202                             
http://www.zvonar.com
http://RZCybernetics.com



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At 4:57 PM -0500 2/17/03, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote:

>I piddled around with one of these at NAMM but couldn't
>get the rep's attention (can hardly blame him) long enough
>to ask any questions. Anyone have the deeper scoop on this
>puppy? Seems like it would be a terrific loop transmogrifier.

If you're talking about the Evolver synthesizer from Dave Smith 
Instruments the "rep" was probably Dave Smith himself. As far as I 
can tell it's a one-man operation.

It's a monophonic synth with both analog and digital voice elements 
and a step sequencer. Sequences can be saved along with voice 
parameters, and there is an extensive modulation matrix that includes 
a number of MIDI messages a sources. I think it could be set up to be 
controlled reasonably well by a pedal board.

Here's the manual:
http://www.davesmithinstruments.com/downloads/Evolver_manual_1.01.pdf

Here's the block diagram:
http://www.davesmithinstruments.com/downloads/signal_flow.pdf
-- 

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Dear Loopists,


I am very pleased to announce the dates and location for the 2nd annual
Loopstock Festival!

Loopstock 2003 will be held Saturday and Sunday, April 5th and 6th at
Chumash Auditorium, located upstairs in the Julian McPhee University
Union on the campus of Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo,
California U.S.A.

I just got the venue confirmation this morning, so I've not had much of
a chance to plan everything out yet, but watch your INBOX for more
details in the coming days, including information on how you can
participate as a performer and/or volunteer for this year's event.

Please mark your calendar, and plan on being in San Luis Obispo on April
5th-6th!


Yours,

-Hans Lindauer

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I looked into this device as an alternative to the GR-30 sound engine, 
and it seemed pretty damn cool, but the monosynth nature of it was what 
broke the deal and made me go for the Korg MS2000R.  If you've already 
got a polyphonic synth and are looking for a unique second sound 
generator, I'd look into this one for sure.

Mark Sottilaro

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In a message dated 2/17/03 2:21:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
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> http://johnscofield.com/equip.html

thanks tim!.....michael

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Evolver has a pair of external inputs too!

The left input has an envelope follower, peak hold, "hack" module 
(very rude distortion), high pass filter, and distortion. The right 
input has hack, high pass filter, and distortion. Then each input 
passes through a low pass filter and VCA. The output section has an 
additional pair of high pass filters, distortion, and hack modules, 
as well as three delays and some feedback routing.
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--- AALev123@aol.com wrote:
> Does anyone know if simpletech still exchanges cards
> that don't work properly 
> with the repeater?
> 

the one that i ordered arrived a few days ago and
doesn't seem to have any problems recording in mono or
stereo.  i think the big thing to be certain of is
that you are ordering a type I card.  as far as i
know, simpletech is replacing the bad cards, but your
best bet would be to check with them.  to save some
bandwidth here is their site address:

http://www.simpletech.com/main.html

you'll have to do the navigating to find who and how
to contact.

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Yeah, I'm going to have to come up with a different show than what I'm 
doing at home.  What you're saying makes sense.  I see people like 
Andres with their Mesa Boogie and an EDP and I can't help but think 
he's on to something.

Mark Sottilaro

On Monday, February 17, 2003, at 01:52 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote:
> And,
> for a Medford audience, even though they didn't how to categorize
> what I was doing, they seemed to like it and ask about it afterwards.

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i find it best to have an open mind./open setup.
usually thinking more of the space that i will be playing in and the set
and set up times
the exspectations of the audience and the other performers
then tailor the set up to adhere to the above.

Mark Sottilaro wrote:

> Yeah, I'm going to have to come up with a different show than what I'm
> doing at home.  What you're saying makes sense.  I see people like
> Andres with their Mesa Boogie and an EDP and I can't help but think
> he's on to something.
>
> Mark Sottilaro
>
> On Monday, February 17, 2003, at 01:52 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote:
> > And,
> > for a Medford audience, even though they didn't how to categorize
> > what I was doing, they seemed to like it and ask about it afterwards.

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Woo hoo!  What are ya waiting for?

Mark

On Monday, February 17, 2003, at 12:54 PM, Dave Trenkel wrote:

>  My wife suggested I start playing out again, and I started being 
> happy again.
>
> And, BTW, if I were in the bay area, I'd join your band in a heartbeat!
>

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Nice stuff!

Mark Sottilaro

On Monday, February 17, 2003, at 01:01 PM, Neil Goldstein wrote:

> http://homepage.mac.com/ngold/FileSharing2.html
>
> Mideasty.mp3 and Mideast2.mp3 use a sequenced pitch and filter effect
> and drumbeat from the Adrenalinn.

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steve s. said...

> I feel lucky in that after going through a "maximal rig" setup for a year,
> I've come down to a very small one that is working for me.
> I started to feel with the "max" rig that, even though the...
 
> Back to the rig -

> My inspiration nowadays is an Indian musician I saw playing with Zakir
> Hussain who had dedicated his life, it seems, to playing a clay pot.  Not
> two clay pots, not three clay pots -- one clay pot.
> Cheers!
> 

l love that thought...'one thing'.
there are numerous references to the value of 'one'.
i remember robert deniro in 'deerhunter' explaining this concept to his
hunting cohorts-"this.....is this!" holding a bullet in the air.
anyway-i hold on to this mantra of mine:
one guitar
one amp 
one speaker
one world
one love

stan

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In a message dated 2/17/03 10:27:44 PM, stevesandberg@earthlink.net writes:

<< What's changed since 2 years ago is I've gotten much clearer about the 
music
I want to play.  Another irony -- the ideas that are proving fruitful are
the ideas I came to when I first started looping.  But I wasn't certain
these were the really fruitful ideas, so I went through about a year and a
half of experimentation and improvisation (a lot of it in front of
audiences) until it became clear that these original ideas were the best and
merit my attention. >>

Nice post.  I'll bet this hits home with a lot of list members, I know it was 
the same for me.  - Paul

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-----Original Message-----
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Nice stuff!


=============================================
Thanks!

EDP + Adrenalinn = lots of possibilities! 

I love the way drums sound backward...it is a different concept
including the drums in the recorded loop rather than playing along on a
separate box.

How to figure out a way to change the Master / slave sync relationship
between the 2, as well as on my Midi Time Piece II, with a single
footswitch? The EDP will do it without a problem (a simple preset change
in Loop IV), but I don't think you can change the Adrenalinn sync source
via midi. Nor can you change the drum / wet (guitar) volume ratio via
midi either. And on the sequenced effects you need to have the drum
sequence engaged to hear any effect.  Thankfully you can totally mute
the drums, and/or have each go to a separate left / right channel.  

BTW, I checked out the Evolver site. There is some similarity in these
two units. Similar matrix grid, step sequencer, etc... 

Neil

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is there still room for submissions for loopstock? sounds great!

thanks
jimmy george
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> Dear Loopists,
> 
> 
> I am very pleased to announce the dates and location for the 2nd annual
> Loopstock Festival!
> 
> Loopstock 2003 will be held Saturday and Sunday, April 5th and 6th at
> Chumash Auditorium, located upstairs in the Julian McPhee University
> Union on the campus of Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo,
> California U.S.A.
> 
> I just got the venue confirmation this morning, so I've not had much of
> a chance to plan everything out yet, but watch your INBOX for more
> details in the coming days, including information on how you can
> participate as a performer and/or volunteer for this year's event.
> 
> Please mark your calendar, and plan on being in San Luis Obispo on April
> 5th-6th!
> 
> 
> Yours,
> 
> -Hans Lindauer
> 
> 

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on 2/17/03 10:59 AM, Tim Nelson at psychle62@yahoo.com wrote:

> <http://www.pedalboards.com/> makes a board with a
> folding rack system so your foot controller (as well
> as a few pedals) can go under the EDP, with the EDP
> looking up at you.

The EDP is gaining a fair amount of exposure. I see that it's their example
rack mount device. It also won rack effect unit of the year or something
like that from one of the British (I think) guitar magazines.

Mark

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FWIW,

I just got a PQI 256 mb compact flash card (P#  fc256)for $79 that works
great with my repeater......

Ciao,

Marc Roche
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> --- AALev123@aol.com wrote:
> > Does anyone know if simpletech still exchanges cards
> > that don't work properly
> > with the repeater?
> >

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> Yeah, I'm going to have to come up with a different show than what I'm
> doing at home.  What you're saying makes sense.  I see people like
> Andres with their Mesa Boogie and an EDP and I can't help but think
> he's on to something.

...yeah, then you just have to sit in your bedroom for 10 years getting your
LaFosse-chops together, and you'll truly be able to gig like the little man
himself... :o)

My gig rig is limited by it all having to fit into the back of a 4U SKB rack
(or in the US, I was using a 3 space rack)... so at the moment, I've got 2
EDPs, a Lexicon MPX-G2, visual volume, two echoplex foot pedals, an EV-5
expression pedal and a lex two button footswitch - I have the rack on an
angled stand like 'Dre, so that I can do patch changes by hand - I've got
the Lexicon R1 controller, but it's just too damn big... now if I can just
find one of them there digitech puppies that the little fella is using, I'll
be all set! :o) in fact, two of them might be nice...

BTW, Ted, I'd LOVE to hear your acoustic stuff some time! Your electric CD
is fantastic... have you got any MP3s on line yet of the acoustic stuff? any
plans for a new CD???

cheers

Steve
www.steve-lawson.co.uk (gig details, news, MP3s etc.)
www.stevelawson.net (the side-door)
www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk (buy CDs)
www.pmrecords.gemm.com (buy the same CDs)
www.solobassnetwork.org.uk (other people making solo bass noises)


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11-I want manual reading private lesson
12-WTF there's no video/DVD yet

Claude


> Ha, Ha that's a good answer I have a few more to add to that list
> 7) I have a day job
> 8) the FC-7 stil works pretty good
> 9) I just got finnished installing and configuring Sendmail with Ldap
> and I'm tired of technology
> 10) all of the above

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  *laughing*   -Should I do a video for the FCB 1010?!!!    lol!   

Smiles,

CQ

At 11:10 AM 2/18/03 +0100, you wrote:
>11-I want manual reading private lesson
>12-WTF there's no video/DVD yet
>
>Claude
>
>
>> Ha, Ha that's a good answer I have a few more to add to that list
>> 7) I have a day job
>> 8) the FC-7 stil works pretty good
>> 9) I just got finnished installing and configuring Sendmail with Ldap
>> and I'm tired of technology
>> 10) all of the above
>
>


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I'm considering purchasing an EDP.

If I improvise, say a 4 measure loop into the EDP.  Will that improvised
loop than generate MIDI clock for other devices, ie: an Adrenalinn, to
follow?  Or do you need a seperate device like a groovebox to set MIDI
clock?

Thanks,
John

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das wrote:

> i find it best to have an open mind./open setup.
> usually thinking more of the space that i will be playing in and the set
> and set up times
> the exspectations of the audience and the other performers
> then tailor the set up to adhere to the above.

I saw a band Sunday night called Heads Will Roll playing an out of state (for
them) gig.  Their van broke down.  The van they rented to replace it broke
down.  They rolled into our town in a compact car with gear strapped to the
roof.  The drummer had a severely reduced kit.  But he played his parts as if
the drums were there, just hitting empty air if the drum called for was one
that didn't make the trip.  Just another way of adapting to the nature of the
gig.

John McIntyre
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The Soundscapes Concert Series
p r o u d l y     p r e s e n t s
Orbital Decay
in an all ages concert of spacemusic
at the City of Bethlehem's IceHouse on Sand Island
Saturday, February 22, 2003
Concert at 8:00 pm, doors open at 7:00 pm
for a FREE Buffet Dinner by Chef Jeff
Tickets: $12 in advance and $15 at the door.
Tom Shaw will play relaxing ambient music
in the lobby before the show.

For the third installment of the Soundscapes Concert Series, Orbital =
Decay will perform a concert at the City of Bethlehem's IceHouse on Sand =
Island.   The guitarist has changed since last year, making this an all =
new event.   As a special treat, local musician Tom Shaw will perform =
relaxing ambient music in the lobby before the concert.   Located in =
historic Bethlehem on the north bank of the Lehigh River, the IceHouse =
provides the perfect venue for a concert of spacemusic.   This concert =
will be on Saturday, February 22, 2003, starting at 8:00 pm.   The doors =
will open at 7:00 pm and Chef Jeff will cater a free buffet dinner.   =
Tickets are $12 in advance and $15 at the door.   Advance tickets are =
available at:

Compact Disc Center            Speedy's Record Shop
1365 Easton Ave.           1001 Union Blvd.
Bethlehem, Pennsylvania            Allentown, Pennsylvania
610-868-3070            610-432-8386

NOTE: There are no discounts on advance tickets.   Tickets at the door =
will be reduced by $3 for those who show their WDIY or WMUH membership =
cards or their full-time student ID.

INFORMATION:

http://soundscapes.us


CONTACT:

Bill Fox
billfox@fast.net
610-746-9615


ORBITAL DECAY:

Orbital Decay consists of electric guitarist Scott Watkins and =
synthesist Terry Furber of Quakertown, Pennsylvania, located north of =
Philadelphia and south of Allentown/Bethlehem.   Originally founded in =
1979, the year when Skylab's orbit decayed, returning it to Earth in a =
firey display, Terry and Scott formed a band influenced by the likes of =
Tangerine Dream, Klaus Shulze, and Pink Floyd.   Today, Terry and Scott =
make improvisational electronic space music with the energy of fusion =
styles from the 1970s.   This means that Orbital Decay charts unexplored =
territory of sound and mood.

Terry Furber has the keyboard chops of a progressive rock keyboardist, =
enabling him to play soaring synth solos over a classic Berlin School =
sequence.   Yet he can display the restraint required for a deep space =
excursion in the darker, more introspective moments of his music.   In =
addition to being a player, Terry also builds and programs his own =
synthesizers and computers, sometimes using older technology obtained at =
bargain basement prices.   He then proceeds to squeeze every ounce of =
music possible from his concoctions.   An example of his ability in this =
area is his minimoog and MOTM modular synth which was Keyboard of the =
Month in Keyboard magazine.

Scott Watkins was another founding member of Orbital Decay.   Due to =
other life commitments, Scott had to leave the band temporarily, making =
way for Tim Richardson who performed at last year's Orbital Decay =
performances at Soundscapes and on WDIY's EMUSIC spacemusic program.   =
Since then, Scott has returned.  Together with Terry, Scott, whose =
influences include Robert Fripp, has performed twice on WXPN's Star's =
End spacemusic program and released three self-produced albums featuring =
their prolific studio work.


TOM SHAW:

Tom Shaw is a rock and roller who has many facets.  One facet is that of =
ambient musician.  Having played at a Stroudsburg art gallery, Tom =
returns to Soundscapes for a second "Show in the Lobby."


COMING TO SOUNDSCAPES:
Belgian ambient musician vidnaObmana makes a rare North American concert =
tour, making the Soundscapes Concert Series his major stop of the east =
coast.  Please mark Saturday, April 19, 2003 for this special event.

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Yes, the echoplex will send clock based on your loop.
kim

At 05:52 AM 2/18/2003, John Mazzarella wrote:
>I'm considering purchasing an EDP.
>
>If I improvise, say a 4 measure loop into the EDP.  Will that improvised
>loop than generate MIDI clock for other devices, ie: an Adrenalinn, to
>follow?  Or do you need a seperate device like a groovebox to set MIDI
>clock?

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Steve,

In a message dated 2/18/03 1:38:28 AM, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes:

>BTW, Ted, I'd LOVE to hear your acoustic stuff some time! Your electric
>CD is fantastic...have you got any MP3s on line yet of the acoustic stuff?
>any plans for a new CD???

No recent recordings at the moment. Maybe soon. As always, mucho 
thanko for the kind interest and words about my music and CD. Yes,
there are plans and many ideas for another disc. They just have not
congealed into a concrete definitive impulse yet. Translation: I am
a total loser and a lazy putz and I've not done a whole heck of a lot 
to get to the next step in the process except play out a few potential
concepts and ideas. My all-too-lame excuse is that when the next record 
NEEDS to happen . . . it will happen. That's what I keep telling Jeff (and
myself) at least. I pray that it turns out to be true.

Thanks again for asking though Steve. I promise to post you directly 
whenever there is something even remotely worth hearing. All of you 
other LD folks have raised the bar so dang high (in my mind at least) 
that THAT seems a near impossibly tall order to contemplate though. 
However, your interest and very gracious words of encouragement 
will go into that accumulating pile of "stuff" that daily kicks my butt 
and eventually motivates me into some sort of positive action, misplaced
semi-self-confidence and another shiny, circular bit o' plastic with 
incoherent, silly, pretentious titles, and near unlistenably weird/bad/
sad/repetitve guitar noises on it finally materializes yet again. Hope 
springs eternal. 

I'm sure the world can hardly wait. Heheheheh.

Blessings,

tEd � kiLLiAn

ArsOcarina@aol.com
http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian
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"Yes, the echoplex will send clock based on your loop."

this is valid for 3.5 and 4.0, yes?

-jim


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greetings all...

repeater question for the masters out there:

- i'm running a filter factory into my repeater's fx
sends/returns using an fcb1010 to control both
devices.  i've been having a difficult time setting
the filter factory to slave clock from the repeater. 
i was able to accomplish it at one point, but now it
seems that it can't be done.  is there anything that i
should be double checking when doing this?  midi clock
should be transmitted from my repeater on all
channels, but it seems that i cannot get it to work no
matter what (although it did work briefly at one point
in time).  do i need to record the loop first and then
send the clock message?  

any and all advice is appreciated!
thanks,
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--- Claude Voit <c.voit@vtx.ch> wrote:
> 11-I want manual reading private lesson
> 12-WTF there's no video/DVD yet
> 

a video for the fcb1010 really is not necessary.  i,
too, had quite a difficult time getting mine
operational, but once you figure out how to translate
the poorly written manual, the device is cake and you
feel like an idiot for not catching on right away. 
i'd be more than happy to help explain how to program
your fcb1010.  

to save bandwidth on the list, feel free to email me
privately with your fcb1010 questions.

take care,
~e va n
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I've been completely rushed off of my feet lately, and have not had 
time to reply personally to any emails since before the weekend.

I will try to reply to them on Sunday when I have my next 'window of 
opportunity'

I will be searching for a good venue next week, once I get an idea of 
how many people want to take part etc. The Batofar may not
reopen by June as I had been told (the owners fell out with each 
other). However, I like the idea of playing on a boat, and there are
about 3 other boat venues along the same Quay that are good potential 
venues.

Re: professional money, I really do not think that given the timeframe 
of the fest, that  will be able to work miracles and find a
sponsor. Things like this have to be planned up to year in advance 
(this is France).... so, especially for the UK people (Steve et al), I 
would
not hold your breath that I can find decent funding this year. For 
money, I can guarantee nothing - I can't even offer floorspace :(

For those interested have not sent in a bio/links/info, please send it 
to loopfest@solostring.com so that I can get the prospectus finished
next week with your info included.

*IMPORTANT*

If there are a lot of loopers wanting to take part, and if I cannot 
secure a venue for the whole weekend, then I might have to limit the
festival to live looping loopers (loopers who do not use 
pre-recorded/sequenced loops)....  however nothing is decided yet.

Sorry for my English. I did not have time sleep last night. Head not 
working....

Thanks for everyone's interest and support

-- 
Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com

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Hi everybody,

Lealoop Productions proutly presentz: two cool loopscapes to listen and =
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--- Tim Nelson <psychle62@yahoo.com> wrote:
> <http://www.pedalboards.com/> makes a board with a
> folding rack system so your foot controller (as well
> as a few pedals) can go under the EDP, with the EDP
> looking up at you.

Cool idea. And interestingly enough, the photo at the top center of the (very
poorly designed...) web page has this exact setup...an EDP in the folding rack
and the controller below it. It's an older Oberheim unit.

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On those pedalboards, where do you put those big AC power adapters?  Are
they normally located on a pedal board, or on a power strip somewhere?

Patrick

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--- Tim Nelson <psychle62@yahoo.com> wrote:
> <http://www.pedalboards.com/> makes a board with a
> folding rack system so your foot controller (as well
> as a few pedals) can go under the EDP, with the EDP
> looking up at you.

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(very poorly designed...) web page has this exact setup...an EDP in the
folding rack and the controller below it. It's an older Oberheim unit.

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Hi,

New song posted at 
www.looproom.com/audio/elsax.mp3

Improvisation with tenor saxophone, EDP and Repeater. All six outputs
recorded at once on separate channels in Logic. When mixing I applied
some dynamic filter plug-ins ;-) 

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Hey kids,

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--- Patrick Bolan <pbolan@csiconstruction.com> wrote:
> On those pedalboards, where do you put those big AC
> power adapters?  Are
> they normally located on a pedal board, or on a
> power strip somewhere?

The ones on that link are custom-built, so they'll do
it any way you want it.

The way most people do it is to mount a power supply
near the rear of the board. If the pedalboard has a
multi-tiered arrangement, the space under the step is
usually where the transformers and power cords go.

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Hi folks,

I have 2 loopers in my “rack “ rig right now. The Digitech RDS 8000 & Gibson 
EDP


Now I have the EDP ft switch but I want to have a smaller alternate for 
space reasons. Can anyone suggest switches for the record & overdub jacks… 
I’m having problems with the switches I already have… Korg dual momentary 
switch & a Roland latch switch.  As far the RDS 8000 goes I tried using the 
same dual switch & when both the Bypass & Repeat hold were plugged in the 
bypass side started not to work… Maybe I need to find the “time machine” ft 
switch?  Help please

Regards
LOU


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Evan
sorry you didn't catch the joke/sarcasm
I don't have a fcb1010 (PMC10)
have a look at my system specs
http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_profile&id
=011002174832

Thanks for the generous help tho

Claude



> --- Claude Voit <c.voit@vtx.ch> wrote:
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> > 12-WTF there's no video/DVD yet
> >
>
> a video for the fcb1010 really is not necessary.  i,
> too, had quite a difficult time getting mine
> operational, but once you figure out how to translate
> the poorly written manual, the device is cake and you
> feel like an idiot for not catching on right away.
> i'd be more than happy to help explain how to program
> your fcb1010.
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> How do you have the midi parameters set on the Echoplex?

*** It is set to receive controllers, not notes, and so is the MFC 10.  It
does not have any influence what number for CC I use.  Othewise, the EDP
communicates with MFC 10 on channel 2, and if if I switch it to another
channel it does not change  anything either.

I found that if I change the midi routing it fixes the problem.  When it
goes MFC 10 ---> Digitech Quad (midi channel 1) ---> EDP it makes the mess I
described.  When I go to EDP first and then to Digitech Quad it is okay.  At
this point it is fine to use the second routing, but it would be very
helpful for me to understand what's the root of the problem.  I assume it's
the Digitech, but why?  There is the "sysex merge" function in it and I have
to have it on in order to get the midi signal go through.  Is this the
reason?


> At 09:47 AM 2/15/2003, Petr Samojsky wrote:
> >After I installed Loop IV I have this strange problem happening.  When I
> >move (or keep moving) the volume pedal (functioning as a MIDI CC sender
for
> >volume control in EDP out of my Yamaha MFC 10) it sometimes trigers other
> >functions, such as overdub, multiply, mute, etc.  And sometimes the loop
> >gets erased alltogether.  This does not happen always, it is
unpredictable.
> >But often I hear the volume "jumping/clicking" louder and I notice a
third
> >digit 2 quickly appear and disappear on the display (as if 217), as the
> >volume changes between 0 and 127.
> >
> >It does not have any influence when I change the MIDI channel for volume
> >control, and this has never happened in Loop III.  Any suggestions?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >petr
>
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The Soundscapes Concert Series
p r o u d l y     p r e s e n t s
Orbital Decay
in an all ages concert of spacemusic
at the City of Bethlehem's IceHouse on Sand Island
Saturday, February 22, 2003
Concert at 8:00 pm, doors open at 7:00 pm
for a FREE Buffet Dinner by Chef Jeff
Tickets: $12 in advance and $15 at the door.
Tom Shaw will play relaxing ambient music
in the lobby before the show.

For the third installment of the Soundscapes Concert Series, Orbital =
Decay will perform a concert at the City of Bethlehem's IceHouse on Sand =
Island.   The guitarist has changed since last year, making this an all =
new event.   As a special treat, local musician Tom Shaw will perform =
relaxing ambient music in the lobby before the concert.   Located in =
historic Bethlehem on the north bank of the Lehigh River, the IceHouse =
provides the perfect venue for a concert of spacemusic.   This concert =
will be on Saturday, February 22, 2003, starting at 8:00 pm.   The doors =
will open at 7:00 pm and Chef Jeff will cater a free buffet dinner.   =
Tickets are $12 in advance and $15 at the door.   Advance tickets are =
available at:

Compact Disc Center            Speedy's Record Shop
1365 Easton Ave.           1001 Union Blvd.
Bethlehem, Pennsylvania            Allentown, Pennsylvania
610-868-3070            610-432-8386

NOTE: There are no discounts on advance tickets.   Tickets at the door =
will be reduced by $3 for those who show their WDIY or WMUH membership =
cards or their full-time student ID.

INFORMATION:

http://soundscapes.us


CONTACT:

Bill Fox
billfox@fast.net
610-746-9615


ORBITAL DECAY:

Orbital Decay consists of electric guitarist Scott Watkins and =
synthesist Terry Furber of Quakertown, Pennsylvania, located north of =
Philadelphia and south of Allentown/Bethlehem.   Originally founded in =
1979, the year when Skylab's orbit decayed, returning it to Earth in a =
firey display, Terry and Scott formed a band influenced by the likes of =
Tangerine Dream, Klaus Shulze, and Pink Floyd.   Today, Terry and Scott =
make improvisational electronic space music with the energy of fusion =
styles from the 1970s.   This means that Orbital Decay charts unexplored =
territory of sound and mood.

Terry Furber has the keyboard chops of a progressive rock keyboardist, =
enabling him to play soaring synth solos over a classic Berlin School =
sequence.   Yet he can display the restraint required for a deep space =
excursion in the darker, more introspective moments of his music.   In =
addition to being a player, Terry also builds and programs his own =
synthesizers and computers, sometimes using older technology obtained at =
bargain basement prices.   He then proceeds to squeeze every ounce of =
music possible from his concoctions.   An example of his ability in this =
area is his minimoog and MOTM modular synth which was Keyboard of the =
Month in Keyboard magazine.

Scott Watkins was another founding member of Orbital Decay.   Due to =
other life commitments, Scott had to leave the band temporarily, making =
way for Tim Richardson who performed at last year's Orbital Decay =
performances at Soundscapes and on WDIY's EMUSIC spacemusic program.   =
Since then, Scott has returned.  Together with Terry, Scott, whose =
influences include Robert Fripp, has performed twice on WXPN's Star's =
End spacemusic program and released three self-produced albums featuring =
their prolific studio work.


TOM SHAW:

Tom Shaw is a rock and roller who has many facets.  One facet is that of =
ambient musician.  Having played at a Stroudsburg art gallery, Tom =
returns to Soundscapes for a second "Show in the Lobby."


COMING TO SOUNDSCAPES:
Belgian ambient musician vidnaObmana makes a rare North American concert =
tour, making the Soundscapes Concert Series his major stop of the east =
coast.  Please mark Saturday, April 19, 2003 for this special event.

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At 04:37 AM 2/19/2003, Petr Samojsky wrote:
> > How do you have the midi parameters set on the Echoplex?
>
>*** It is set to receive controllers, not notes, and so is the MFC 10.  It
>does not have any influence what number for CC I use.  Othewise, the EDP
>communicates with MFC 10 on channel 2, and if if I switch it to another
>channel it does not change  anything either.
>
>I found that if I change the midi routing it fixes the problem.  When it
>goes MFC 10 ---> Digitech Quad (midi channel 1) ---> EDP it makes the mess I
>described.  When I go to EDP first and then to Digitech Quad it is okay.  At
>this point it is fine to use the second routing, but it would be very
>helpful for me to understand what's the root of the problem.  I assume it's
>the Digitech, but why?  There is the "sysex merge" function in it and I have
>to have it on in order to get the midi signal go through.  Is this the
>reason?

sounds like a problem with the digitech unit. For some reason it sends 
wrong commands on the midi channel with the echoplex. I don't know anything 
about the digitech box, so I can't help you with that. If it has a 
MIDI-thru port you could use that instead of its midi out port. Or maybe it 
has some other midi parameter that affects this.

you still didn't list all your midi parameters for the echoplex, like 
source#, VolumeCont, FeedBkCont. Since you are using cc messages for 
commands, maybe you have the feedback control sharing a number with 
something else. that wouldn't really explain the problems you are seeing 
from the digitech unit though.

kim



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Really nice!  Damn, I know other's here have commented on the over use
of the "Frippatronics" sound, but I always love hearing that nice ebow
tone.  When done well, it's a thing of beauty.  Good job!

Mark Sottilaro

Leander Reininghaus wrote:

> Hi everybody, Lealoop Productions proutly presentz: two cool
> loopscapes to listen and download from my 'Starscapes' album and
> another one from the 'European Loop Project 1999' sampler
> @ http://www.mp3.com/starscapes from now.  Pleasure !  Leander

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Beautiful. Haunting.  Compelling.

Is sax your primary instrument?

Matt

Per Boysen wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> New song posted at 
> www.looproom.com/audio/elsax.mp3
> 
> Improvisation with tenor saxophone, EDP and Repeater. All six outputs
> recorded at once on separate channels in Logic. When mixing I applied
> some dynamic filter plug-ins ;-) 
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Per Boysen
> ________________
> www.boysen.se
> www.looproom.com --> 1st Swedish Looping Festival
> 
> 



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>Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 06:45:36 -0000
>Subject: [LAComposers] Concert Annoncement
>
>This weekend Pomona College is hosting a three-day Colloquium on 
>Attention and the Arts. Musical events include:
>
>CONCERT #1
>A concert of music by Pauline Oliveros (Greeting Meditation), Anton 
>Webern (Three pieces for cello and piano), John Cage (Radio Music), 
>Tom Flaherty (Yosemite Distractions), Steve Reich (Piano Phase) and 
>Morton Feldman (The Viola in my Life III.) Genevieve Lee, Karl and 
>Margaret Kohn, pianos; Cynthia
>Fogg, viola; Tom Flaherty cello, and the audience are the performers 
>for the evening.
>
>Friday evening 2/21 at 8:30 in Lyman Hall, corner of Fourth St. and 
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>
>CONCERT #2
>Pauline Oliveros presents a concert of her own music. 
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>Saturday evening 2/22 at 8:30 in Lyman Hall, corner of Fourth St. 
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>VEXATIONS
>Meanwhile, 30 pianists will tag-team a 24-hour performance of 
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Thatcher Music Building lobby, but outside Smith Center for much of
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Fellow Loopers,

On Saturday, February 22nd, Atomic Mobius Machine is playing live on the
internet! We'll be playing from 8pm-12pm/PST on AwesomeRadio.net. We did
this last month, and ended up playing for 6 hours! :)

Atomic Mobius Machine is best classified as Electronic Ambient Trance music
(although I like to call it 'loopadelic'), and features myself, and Dan
Moore, on various musical instruments and electronic samplers. For more
info and music samples, please click here...

http://www.musetrap.com/atomicmobiusmachine/

So tune into AwesomeRadio.net, at http://www.awesomeradio.net, Saturday,
February 22nd, at 8pm for some really trippy music. Technically speaking,
it's a shoutcast stream (ie. mp3 format) and can easily be listened to with
WinAmp (www.winamp.com) under Windows, Audion (http://www.panic.com/audion/index.html)
on the Mac, and XMMS (http://www.xmms.org/) under Linux... The address is
207.44.144.80:8000.

AwesomeRadio also has an IRC chat room, for those so inclined. You can use
a Java client (linked from the website), or a native client, such as mIRC
for Windows. The IRC network is irc.awesomechat.net, and the channel is
#awesomeradio. Of course, while we are playing we won't be chatting much,
but there will be other listeners in there, so...

 Anyways, I hope you can tune in for some of the show... :)

peace
-cpr



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>  > >The trick was to split the Instrument signal and record only the dry
>>  >instrument signal on one track at the same as I also
>>  recorded the midi
>>  >data produced by my FCB1010 foot controller. Then I could rewire and
>>  >send the recorded audio track into the loopers while feeding
>>  them with
>>  >the recorded midi track and have my performance "re-performed".
>>
>>  the next step is to rebuild the loops in the DAW instead of
>>  the loopers. this gives you better quality (since you dont
>>  run twice through
>>  analog again)
>
>Hey - you're talking about "LOOP4 as a software plug-in". That's cool,
>but then I would also need the "Repeater software plug-in" and none of
>them are avilable ;-)
>
>>  and more precision in remixing the loops as you can
>>  take them to separate tracks, pan, effect and so on.
>
>Well, that's what I did and the benefit of the tip I posted ;-)
>
>>  though. But not so much, if the DAW has its timing fit with the loop
>>  length so you can edit the loops quantized to the grid.
>
>Yes, that's cool, if you want to edit the performance after it was
>recorded.
>
>>  I posted a cook book for the Performer.
>>  Now I want to find out how its done in Nuendo, since I love it much
>>  more for editing.
>
>Pretty much the same I would say. Fact is I did this recording in SX
>(which is very similar to Nuendo) and then imported the six audio files
>into Logic on separate tracks for mixing.

I am not sure whether we talk about the same thing.
Say you have one EDP and build your loops in it and record its input 
and its MIDI to the DAW.
Now you have the joice to
-  feed the EDP with the (edited) input signal and the (modified) 
MIDI commands again to reproduce the performance, but you only get 
one track out of the EDP.
-  rebuild the loops in the DAW with the internal "repeat" command 
and thus put each layer on a separate track. In Performer this is not 
very handy because you can not overlap several layers on one track 
nor fade the loops.
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>Matthias covered some of this recently in the ABY etc. discussion but he
>also seemed to suggest that at the very least one needs hard wired resistors
>to get appropriate signal mixing.

so that was not so clear?

>
>What are the consequences of splitting signals using Y cables?

usually none

>What are the consequences of mixing signals using Y cables?

half signal level (due to the ear characterstic, not very dramatic)

>How important are those resistors?

fundamental, unless the two outputs are the same. Even then you may 
get distortion by overcharging the outputs. Just imagine that they 
feed each other.

the caps that David mention seem useless if not a problem to me...
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Dear Loopists,


I apologize for the false alarm, but Loopstock will be held on SATURDAY,
APRIL 5TH ONLY, not the 5th and 6th as previously announced.

The festival will last from 11am until 11 pm.

Please adjust your calendar accordingly.


Yours,

-Hans Lindauer


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hey all Looper's,
i just sold a lot of gear and am looking for some gear.  Does anyone have a 
Vortex that they want to get rid of?  I am getting a EDP, but whether the 
plus or pro i don't know.  Any suggestions.  i have a tc electronics unit 
and am going to use that.  i am also looking for an fcb 1010.
thanks
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Saw a Vortex on ebay quite recently...

David Lee Myers
www.pulsewidth.com

On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 08:16 PM, Matthew Wiley wrote:

> hey all Looper's,
> i just sold a lot of gear and am looking for some gear.  Does anyone 
> have a Vortex that they want to get rid of?  I am getting a EDP, but 
> whether the plus or pro i don't know.  Any suggestions.  i have a tc 
> electronics unit and am going to use that.  i am also looking for an 
> fcb 1010.
> thanks
> matt wiley
>
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  Hey Greg, -hope the show went well tonight!   Sorry I didn't make it.
-the schedule ended up being a bit tight.  I may try to come down tomorrow
in the midday, if you'll be there then.  Lemme' know as soon as ya can, K?
Thanks a bunch.  I probably won't be able to stay for much of the clinic if
any, but would still like to say hi and hear ya play a bit.  -Hope to catch
ya soon.   

Smiles,

CQ

At 12:56 AM 2/18/03 EST, you wrote:
>For all those of you who inquired off the list, I sincerely appreciate your
>interest...
> 
> The store address is:
> 
> GuitarX
> 1452 South Broadway
> Denver, CO  80210
> 
> www.guitarX.com
> 
> The schedule for Wednesday, February 19th is a reception at the
>gallery from 4 to 7 with the concert at Herman's Hideaway starting at 7:30.
>GuitarX said that I'm welcome to play at any time during the day on
>Wednesday. Thursday, February 20th is the day of the "clinics".
> 
>  3PM, Michael Shawn's clinic at 5PM, and Adam Nitti's clinic at 7PM. (if
>you are a bassist, don't miss Adam!!!) 
> 
> Guitar X suggested that we can all also play at other times during the day
>on Thursday if it makes sense. I believe that I will be the only one doing
>any kind of looping... I really look forward to meeting some fellow loopers
>at Guitar X this week!!! 


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  Oops!  I meant to send that privately.   -My bad!...  

Smiles,

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> 
> I am not sure whether we talk about the same thing.
> Say you have one EDP and build your loops in it and record its input 
> and its MIDI to the DAW.
> Now you have the joice to
> -  feed the EDP with the (edited) input signal and the (modified) 
> MIDI commands again to reproduce the performance, but you only get 
> one track out of the EDP.
> -  rebuild the loops in the DAW with the internal "repeat" command 
> and thus put each layer on a separate track. In Performer this is not 
> very handy because you can not overlap several layers on one track 
> nor fade the loops.

The tip was how to record a multi channel hardware looping rig into
different channels of a DAW. Like if you should be improvising with five
EDPs (and using a midi pedal for feedback, not the analog jack). Or as,
in my case, with an EDP and a Repeater that gives four analog outputs of
loops.

Best wishes

Per Boysen
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Howdy, Matt
I just bought a bunch'o'gear, and I do have a Vortex I'd part with. It's
got all its manuals, a dual Lexi footswitch, etc...going rate seems to be
$150; add shipping and it's yours if you want it.
David Coffin
800-283-7252, ext 3518
28 South Street
Roxbury, CT 06783





                                                                                                                
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hey all Looper's,
i just sold a lot of gear and am looking for some gear.  Does anyone have a

Vortex that they want to get rid of?  I am getting a EDP, but whether the
plus or pro i don't know.  Any suggestions.  i have a tc electronics unit
and am going to use that.  i am also looking for an fcb 1010.
thanks
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We have looped around the sun for another year
and open loop continues to loop loop loop
around the sun for another year.

Our first open loop was February 23, 2002,
and we have looped every week since then.

This week we'll be celebrating by
looping looping late late late
looping late into the night
late loop.


open loop open loop open open
every week look Saturday look loop look look
at Chama
Chama
Chama

at Chama, 332 E4 St. , NY, NY

Saturday afternoons, 4 PM - 8 PM.
this week, this Saturday, this week, 4 PM - late

open live open looping of live open looped instruments
and open looping devices, live and looped
every open Saturday afternoons, 4 PM to 8 PM.
this week 4 PM - late.

bring a loop
bring an instrument
or just hang out.

     /t
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http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday!
http://extremeNY.com/calendar .................................. the calendar.
http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar.

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Spinning on Air had Pamelia Kursten (prob my fav theremin player) on a 
couple of weeks back.  She did some ambient looping

http://www.wnyc.org/shows/spinning/archive.html?month=200301

If you don't currently listen to SOA - start, it's a great show

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i'm looking for a third EDP.  if you've got one you're looking to get rid
of, contact me off the list: jimfowler@prodigy.net

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-jim


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Nothing

Jonathan El-Bizri wrote:

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Hey LD,
for those of you who use mackie mixers, what if any are the differences 
between the 1202 and 1402 vlz mixers.  the 1202 has knobs and the 1402 has 
faders and two more inputs.  which one could be superior over the other as 
far as mic pres... i am using a tc electronics g major, vortex, EDP, line 6 
pod recording, gr-30 synth, vht stereo power amp.  i am wanting to route 
effects through and around loops etc... any suggestions would be great 
thanks.  thanks to the LD for helping find my vortex, the LD rules.
thanks,
matt




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I wasn't paying much attention but I think most people were busy talking
about midi guitars.


> Nothing
>
> Jonathan El-Bizri wrote:
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> >  Hey all! I've been away longer much longer than I intended, but I'm
> > finally back on the list. So, what did I
> > miss?

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Mark tells Jon El-Bizri he missed nothing in the past few months here on the
list--
What about my rotator cuff surgery?
I'm fine, thanks . . .
And what about Andre's upcoming video demo of the EDP?
Or Loopstock 2003?
Or Kylie's last video, which featured a form of video looping?
Always something new here on the Loop list . . .
BTW, speaking of missing in action, where's Steuart Liebig?
Gary


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Don't know but I'm pretty sure he is playing a gig at Fais Do Do here in
L.A. later this month-

Cliff

> BTW, speaking of missing in action, where's Steuart Liebig?
> Gary
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> Hey LD,
> for those of you who use mackie mixers, what if any are the differences
> between the 1202 and 1402 vlz mixers.  the 1202 has knobs and the 1402 has
> faders and two more inputs.  which one could be superior over the other as
> far as mic pres...

I have both, as well as 1604s and 1644s. The pres are identical - sterile
and a tad muddy when compared to 'fancy' stuff, or even low-end outboard
pres (if you are doing recording work, I'd recomend getting even a low end
out board preamp. Some are better than others though, watch out.), but
plenty good enough for live stuff, especially at the price, and better than
a lot of the other small/mid format mixers. Stay away from any gear that
begins with a Y.)

A word of warning though: I've yet to own a mackie that didn't fail at least
once. Mixers are injury-prone piece of gear - especially ones that get
carted around a lot. However, their warranties are generous, and their tech
support eager to help, so I keep going back.

You might want to check out the behringer stuff too - it's generally a tad
cheaper, but in the same quality/price bracket.

>i am using a tc electronics g major, vortex, EDP, line 6
> pod recording, gr-30 synth, vht stereo power amp.  i am wanting to route
> effects through and around loops etc... any suggestions would be great
> thanks.  thanks to the LD for helping find my vortex, the LD rules.
> thanks,

I have an half-rack, 18 channel (yes, you heard that right - 18 channels,
half rack, 2 subs, pan + volume on first 12 channels) mixer-man mixer that I
am looking to sell. It's a tad noisy, but you can't get anything else that
size with that many channels - I've used it for all my live gigs. I'm
looking for $200 for it. If anyone is interested, let me know offline.


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-----Original Message-----
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I've yet to own a mackie that didn't fail at least
once. Mixers are injury-prone piece of gear - especially ones that get
carted around a lot. However, their warranties are generous, and their tech
support eager to help, so I keep going back.

**When I first got my 1202, it failed to work--but they replaced it
immediately, and I've had no problems with it since.
Gary


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Aw shucks,

I'm putting on a Found Object show that same day, with Gino Robair, 
Skincage, Andre Custodio (Nihil Communication) and Stephen Ruiz (Zygote) on 
April 5th in Oakland. (Announcement coming before long.)

That's the show where the musicians can only make sounds with household 
objects brought in by the audience, but are allowed to loop, manipulate and 
organize the sounds with anything they like.

Hans and I need to arm-wrestle!

Matt Davignon


>From : Hans Lindauer <hans@ernieball.com>  Date : Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:59:25 
>-0800
>
>Dear Loopists,
>I apologize for the false alarm, but Loopstock will be held on SATURDAY, 
>APRIL 5TH ONLY, not the 5th and 6th as previously announced.
>The festival will last from 11am until 11 pm.



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.. minimalist (guitar) rigs

.. componental differences between blackface and beige (and Gibson and
Oberheim) EDPs

.. footcontroller fun

.. loopfests abound!  verily!

.. frank hair talk

welcome back!

laydah,

mike


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Hey all!

I've been away longer much longer than I intended, but I'm finally back on
the list. So, what did I miss?


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Hey all!

I've been away longer much longer than I intended, but I'm finally back on
the list. So, what did I miss?


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In a message dated 2/20/2003 8:15:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
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> **When I first got my 1202, it failed to work--but they replaced it
> immediately, and I've had no problems with it since.
> Gary
> 

my 1202 is alive and kicking after 7 years w/o any problems. i use it for my 
guitar/loop set up and totally like the flexibility it affords. i am probably 
jinxing myself. today it will be dead. =-) PJ

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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jonathan El-Bizri
> I've been away longer much longer than I intended, but I'm finally back on
the list. So, what did I miss?

There's something called the Echoplex, now. :)

[Okay, you mostly missed all of our smart-alacky answers, didn't you?]

Nice to have you back, Jonathan.

Dennis Leas
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at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.

                    Show #309                    February 20, 2003.


RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Orbital Decay, a spacemusic
duo in the Quakertown area who will be at the next Soundscapes Concert Series
on February 22.  The Featured CD at midnight was "Live on EMUSIC."

The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Computer Voice" by Robert Schroeder on
Racket Records.

I also played the music of Mikronesia, one of the acts that will be appearing
at The Gate to Moonbase Alpha on Friday, February 21, 2003.

Orbital Decay http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#feb
Soundscapes Concert Series http://soundscapes.us
The Gate to Moonbase Alpha http://simpletone.com


PLAYLIST:

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
11:00 pm
Robert Schroeder        In Space                 Computer Voice (Racket)
Robert Schroeder        Computer Voice           Computer Voice (Racket)
Mikronesia              Flight Sin               Mikronesia (none)
vidnaObmana             Beyond the Shaman        Spore (Relapse)
Otarion                 Revival                  Creator (Neu Harmony)
Oophoi                  Chakai Bardo             Bardo (Electroshock)
Robert Carty            As Above, So Below       Tonalities (Deep Sky Music)
Alpha Wave Movement     Outward Bound            A Distant Signal (HRR)
Orbital Decay           Tangent                  Orbital Decay (none)

12:00 am
Orbital Decay           December 27, 2001        Live on EMUSIC (none)

1:00 am

 * = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)


NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Orbital Decay.  The
Featured CD at Midnight will be "Live on WXPN 8-12-2001."

The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Ricochet" by Tangerine Dream on
Virgin Records.

Bill
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In a potenitally OT message dated 2/20/2003 8:15:27 PM Eastern Standard
Time, healthquestrecruiter@earthlink.net wrote:

**When I first got my 1202, it failed to work--but they replaced it
immediately, and I've had no problems with it since.
Gary

Then PJBMHB@aol.com said:
my 1202 is alive and kicking after 7 years w/o any problems. i use it for my
guitar/loop set up and totally like the flexibility it affords. i am
probably jinxing myself. today it will be dead. =-) PJ

>>>>>>I think mine sounds fine--low s/n ratio etc.  Their support was good
in the past . . .  I have been able to stay away from mixers with my loop
setup so far, but that may change--just got a second Loop IV chip--it's
stereo time.
Gary


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Matthew,

the 1202 and 1402 are identical with regards to mic pres - at least that's
what mackie says. For me (owner of a 102), from the description from mackie
they seem to be exactly the same except for the two additional channels of
the 1402.

I'd suspect the 1202/1402 might be a tad bit too small for your application
as far as routing possibilities go. What you might be doing is coming into
two channels from the POD (does the guitar pod have a) stereo outs, b) DI
out? if a) and b) are answered "yes", you'd need three channels (one mono,
one stereo)), let's say going (example with 1202) into channels 1 and 2 or
1-3. The mono EDP goes into Ch4, with the G Major -> Ch 5/6, the Vortex ->
Ch 7/8, the Gr-30 -> 9/10 and two ins remaining. Then you could feed the EDP
with aux 1 (pre-fader), the G Major mono with aux 2, and the Vortex stereo
from the Alt 3/4 bus. Then you'll have the problem that when anything is
sent to the Vortex, you can't easily send it to the EDP or G Major before
the Vortex -> get out the soldering iron and do the "Auxes before Alt/Mute
button" mod as described in the mackie's manual.

That way, you would already lose the possibilty to access the G's second
input. And there isn't much room for expansion effect-wise. If you're not
absolutely sure that you'll never get another piece of gear, I'd suggest
using a slightly bigger mixer, like the Mackie's xx04s or the Behringer
pendant, MX2642.

As far as the knob/fader topic goes - I personally don't like knobs for two
reasons: they don't allow me to move more than one channel's volume with one
hand (not without some though mikado drills that is), and they don't allow
me to see the set volume levels by simply looking at the mixer from a
distance.

So, my two recommendations would be 1) get a mixer with more auxes and/or
more subs, 2) get a mixer with faders. As for these recommendations, I use
(besides the 1202 in my small rack and a MX2642 as a "afterguard console" if
I suddenly need more mixing) a MX2642A for my larger rack, and it is
(although people keep bitching about Behringer all the time) well acceptable
for my not so pristine ears. (I also do use a DDX3216 for the larger
chores). And the 2642A goes (here in Germany) new for €289 - which is about
half the price of a 1202.


	Rainer

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew Wiley [mailto:matthewf5@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Freitag, 21. Februar 2003 01:02
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Mackie Mixers
>
>
> Hey LD,
> for those of you who use mackie mixers, what if any are the
> differences
> between the 1202 and 1402 vlz mixers.  the 1202 has knobs and
> the 1402 has
> faders and two more inputs.  which one could be superior over
> the other as
> far as mic pres... i am using a tc electronics g major,
> vortex, EDP, line 6
> pod recording, gr-30 synth, vht stereo power amp.  i am
> wanting to route
> effects through and around loops etc... any suggestions would
> be great
> thanks.  thanks to the LD for helping find my vortex, the LD rules.
> thanks,
> matt
>
>
>
>
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Folks,
I'm thinking of adding a little additional control to my looping rig by
running dedicated outputs from my loopers to a small mixer.  This would
give me four channels of sound which I can blend and tweak separately.

I would then give two signals (right/left) to the house which could just
be panned hard.

Behringer and Mackie both make small boards that seem adequate to the
task (models listed in the subject line). Does anyone out there have
opinions worth airing on the subject :)?

Thanks,
Jeff  



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wondering if its possible to trade banks (.zmf files) on the zoom.  If 
anyones got a zoom and a card with a reader speak up and well try- Im a wiz 
at sound design with it and would love to share samples or collaborate on a 
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On the subject of mixers, I picked up an ex-display Fostex VM-04  
digital mixer today from Paul Beuscher in Bastille, and am mightily  
happy with it. I believe that the model is discontinued now. Its a 4  
track digital desk with 4 inputs (no sends/returns unfortunately), 20  
scene memories, optical out and a built in 20-bit DSP with some  
not-too-bad sounding reverbs/delays/chorus's. Its also very quiet,  
compact and light.

The price? Because there was no mains adaptor or box, I haggled them  
down to 120 Euros. Due to the nature of the non-standard DC input, I  
had to hack around with an old universal adaptor, stuffing the inside  
of one of the connectors with a thinly wrapped roll of aluminium  
foil... and got it to work.

I've been looking for a cheap desk purely as an input mixer  to feed  
the violin, microphone and L&R from the computer (running as a soft  
synth) into the Repeater, and this is it. Considering what other mixers  
I could have gotten for 120 Euros, I think I had a bargain - plus its  
under full guarantee for

If you are looking for a simple mixer with built in DSP effects, then  
try to track one of these down. I checked on Ebay, and there is just  
one listed, currently at $122
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ 
eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2509313508&category=23785

*smiling*
-- 
Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com

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Hi Jeff,

I have the Behringer MX802A and I'm very happy with it. Its incredibly sturdy
and well built, it has a heavy external power supply but, instead of the usual
wall wart and flimsey plug, it has a good quality screw connector.

I've not used it in my studio - just for live, but I find the quality fine.
The
Mackie has more inputs and the VLZ-PRO I think has slightly better mic amps if
that's an issue. Oh, and the 802A is going very cheap at the moment because
they've just brought out a newer model.

Hope this is useful.

Ian.
 

At 20:55 21/02/03 , you wrote:
>Folks,
>I'm thinking of adding a little additional control to my looping rig by
>running dedicated outputs from my loopers to a small mixer.  This would
>give me four channels of sound which I can blend and tweak separately.
>
>I would then give two signals (right/left) to the house which could just
>be panned hard.
>
>Behringer and Mackie both make small boards that seem adequate to the
>task (models listed in the subject line). Does anyone out there have
>opinions worth airing on the subject :)?
>
>Thanks,
>Jeff  
> 


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  Hi All, -hope yer' having a wonderful Friday!  
  I need to  program some presets into my EDP today, and so far, have only
used preset 0, the playing state.  I'm curious, I know the procedure but
need to know simply, when entering the preset editor for the very first
time, which preset number is selected on the screen?   In other words, at
this point, Only preset 0 is used, and available from the front panel.  
  Thanks bunches to anyone who can help out.   Talk with ya soon.   

Smiles,

Cara




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This is not OT, because looping asks for different instruments - but 
we could still consider a separate list just about this?

Back to the feedback and building of electric percussion instruments:

I think its impossible to pick up a percussionist without any 
microphones, because of some instruments like seeds with no spot to 
install a pickup at all.
But those could all be plaid into one or two front microphones that 
need to be pretty flat (because the worst is a colored feedback) and 
at low gain. So such Instruments that are not loud enough stay at 
home.

All bigger instruments should have pickups or built in close microphones.

For the building of the instruments I had a phantastic Idea with Giba 
for a simple way to mount then into solid body instruments like 
caron, clay pot, and hopefully drums.

But the smaller instruments like woodblock, triangle, marimba and 
such would need an external amplifier. Some options:
- for each instrument a little box that can be mounted to the stand. 
Each one could have an aux input, so all the instruments could be 
chained in case there are not enough mixer channels available (you 
easily reach 20, when picking up every instrument!).
- a central mixer. It would be nice also to convince some mixing desk 
manufacturer to provide some piezo preamps instead of some of the 
stereo channels. In the mean time we may find a simple way to modify 
them.

I am not sure whether we should go for battery or phantom. Both seems 
too much. Batteries are terrible
For phantom we need symetric lines
Symetry is great, but maybe not needed in most cases because the 
percussionist does the mix for the looping and thus probably also the 
main mix on stage.
The XLR is somewhat heavy for some instuments, so it could also be a 
symetric 1/4" or even 1/8" phone jack
The boxes should have Pan and the Aux inputs should be stereo, which 
ask for stereo phone jacks. I have never seen a phantom supply over a 
stereo pair of wires, but it should be possible

I dont know who is going to build such a system and how many are 
going to buy it.
I would like to participate on it, but time and space are limiting.
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--- Jeffrey Lomas <jeff.lomas@oasis-open.org> wrote:
> I would then give two signals (right/left) to the
> house which could just be panned hard.

Sounds good.

One caveat: things may have changed since I was
gigging a lot (like you, I'm talking about the Boston
area), but I found that stereo was the exception more
than the rule in house systems. A couple of reasons
for this: mono requires half the number of power amps
(a lot of clubs run the mains off one side and the
monitors off the other), and significantly, a lot of
sound guys/club owners are concerned that the mix be
essentially the same in any part of the room.
(Instruments panned hard aren't heard at all by many
of the patrons in odd-shaped rooms.

So, go ahead with your two-signal plan, but be
prepared in the event that the sound guy is running
mono.

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Hey LD,
is this true would i need a bigger mixer.  i have seen lots of people use 
the 1402 w/lots of gear in the rack.  i don't know if i would necessarily 
use a pod, probably a vht power amp and some pre.
thanks
matt


>From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" <rs@moinlabs.de>
>Reply-To: <rs@moinlabs.de>
>To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>Subject: RE: Mackie Mixers
>Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 18:00:10 +0100
>
>Matthew,
>
>the 1202 and 1402 are identical with regards to mic pres - at least that's
>what mackie says. For me (owner of a 102), from the description from mackie
>they seem to be exactly the same except for the two additional channels of
>the 1402.
>
>I'd suspect the 1202/1402 might be a tad bit too small for your application
>as far as routing possibilities go. What you might be doing is coming into
>two channels from the POD (does the guitar pod have a) stereo outs, b) DI
>out? if a) and b) are answered "yes", you'd need three channels (one mono,
>one stereo)), let's say going (example with 1202) into channels 1 and 2 or
>1-3. The mono EDP goes into Ch4, with the G Major -> Ch 5/6, the Vortex ->
>Ch 7/8, the Gr-30 -> 9/10 and two ins remaining. Then you could feed the 
>EDP
>with aux 1 (pre-fader), the G Major mono with aux 2, and the Vortex stereo
>from the Alt 3/4 bus. Then you'll have the problem that when anything is
>sent to the Vortex, you can't easily send it to the EDP or G Major before
>the Vortex -> get out the soldering iron and do the "Auxes before Alt/Mute
>button" mod as described in the mackie's manual.
>
>That way, you would already lose the possibilty to access the G's second
>input. And there isn't much room for expansion effect-wise. If you're not
>absolutely sure that you'll never get another piece of gear, I'd suggest
>using a slightly bigger mixer, like the Mackie's xx04s or the Behringer
>pendant, MX2642.
>
>As far as the knob/fader topic goes - I personally don't like knobs for two
>reasons: they don't allow me to move more than one channel's volume with 
>one
>hand (not without some though mikado drills that is), and they don't allow
>me to see the set volume levels by simply looking at the mixer from a
>distance.
>
>So, my two recommendations would be 1) get a mixer with more auxes and/or
>more subs, 2) get a mixer with faders. As for these recommendations, I use
>(besides the 1202 in my small rack and a MX2642 as a "afterguard console" 
>if
>I suddenly need more mixing) a MX2642A for my larger rack, and it is
>(although people keep bitching about Behringer all the time) well 
>acceptable
>for my not so pristine ears. (I also do use a DDX3216 for the larger
>chores). And the 2642A goes (here in Germany) new for €289 - which is about
>half the price of a 1202.
>
>
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>
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>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Matthew Wiley [mailto:matthewf5@hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Freitag, 21. Februar 2003 01:02
> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > Subject: Mackie Mixers
> >
> >
> > Hey LD,
> > for those of you who use mackie mixers, what if any are the
> > differences
> > between the 1202 and 1402 vlz mixers.  the 1202 has knobs and
> > the 1402 has
> > faders and two more inputs.  which one could be superior over
> > the other as
> > far as mic pres... i am using a tc electronics g major,
> > vortex, EDP, line 6
> > pod recording, gr-30 synth, vht stereo power amp.  i am
> > wanting to route
> > effects through and around loops etc... any suggestions would
> > be great
> > thanks.  thanks to the LD for helping find my vortex, the LD rules.
> > thanks,
> > matt
> >
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> 
> --- Jeffrey Lomas <jeff.lomas@oasis-open.org> wrote:
>> I would then give two signals (right/left) to the
>> house which could just be panned hard.
> 
> Sounds good.
> 
> One caveat: things may have changed since I was
> gigging a lot (like you, I'm talking about the Boston
> area), but I found that stereo was the exception more
> than the rule in house systems. A couple of reasons
> for this: mono requires half the number of power amps
> (a lot of clubs run the mains off one side and the
> monitors off the other), and significantly, a lot of
> sound guys/club owners are concerned that the mix be
> essentially the same in any part of the room.
> (Instruments panned hard aren't heard at all by many
> of the patrons in odd-shaped rooms.
> 
> So, go ahead with your two-signal plan, but be
> prepared in the event that the sound guy is running
> mono.
> 
> -t-


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Hi Cara,

Preset number 1 is on the screen first. And when you scroll thru the presets
using mute (up) and insert (down) the numbers wrap around.

Hope that helps,
Rick

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which preset number is selected on the screen?

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  Thanks much rick!, -it helps a bunch!... 

Smiles,

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At 01:42 AM 2/22/03 -0600, you wrote:
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>
>Preset number 1 is on the screen first. And when you scroll thru the presets
>using mute (up) and insert (down) the numbers wrap around.
>
>Hope that helps,
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I've had spam from this prick for over a year.

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I've had spam from this prick for over a year.


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He claims that all his email addresses are 'opt in'.... *sigh*


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I have given this subject considerable thought and tried lots and lots
 of diffenent approaches.

what I have come to is to use a condenser microphone with an incredibly
narrow cartoid pattern (as found in the AKG C1000S for example) for all
instruments that are smaller (triangles, small shakers and any sounds that I
call micro-phonic-------------much quieter than normal).

with my loopers I then make my loop be entirely wet so that there is no
feedback
potential with monitoring.

You can then use mutes on something like a Mackie mixer and then use
headphones
to monitor the initial sound.

I prefer open ear headphones with this approach (and , believe it or not,
Radio Shack
makes an excellent $40 open ear, collapseable full frequency headphone that
they frequently sell on sale for $20) so that you can hear other musicians
playing or your monitor speakers.

Ideally, of course, one should have in ear monitors for such an approach
(but I still have never invested in them because they are so expensive and
you have to have
a very dependable feedback eliminating devices so that there is never a
chance of feedback-------------one of Santa Cruz's most talented trumpet
players had his brillian live career cut short by having his ears destroyed
in a feedback incident
and it just isn't worth the risk).

I always used Beta 58s or Beta 57s on stage before I heard a pair of the AKG
C1000s at a folk club in Berkeley touring with Martin Simpson.  They blew me
away because the fidelity was so much greater than the Shure Betas and yet I
could use very high monitored volumes (wonderful when one is playing a
Liquid Glass Ghatam as I was on one song in that show).

Wonderfully, one can purchase a pair of these great mics for $300 at most
big music stores:  and you can always take this price to your local music
store and give them the option of matching the price in an effort to buy
local and keep your money in your own hometown.............this is my little
strategy for keeping money local but still being able to afford equipment
because it is priced reasonably.

Well,

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Hi folks.  I've been considering putting together a Looping/ Avant music =
festival in the Northern VA/DC area and I'm trying to get an idea of how =
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For the Boston Loopfest we used two c1000's to record the room.  I actually
picked them up new last month at Guitar Center in Boston for $200 each, it
looked like the going price at the time, fyi. :-)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL [mailto:GLOBAL@cruzio.com]
> Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 5:41 AM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: electric percussion instruments
>
>
> I have given this subject considerable thought and tried lots and lots
>  of diffenent approaches.
>
> what I have come to is to use a condenser microphone with an
> incredibly
> narrow cartoid pattern (as found in the AKG C1000S for
> example) for all
> instruments that are smaller (triangles, small shakers and
> any sounds that I
> call micro-phonic-------------much quieter than normal).
>
> with my loopers I then make my loop be entirely wet so that
> there is no
> feedback
> potential with monitoring.
>
> You can then use mutes on something like a Mackie mixer and then use
> headphones
> to monitor the initial sound.
>
> I prefer open ear headphones with this approach (and ,
> believe it or not,
> Radio Shack
> makes an excellent $40 open ear, collapseable full frequency
> headphone that
> they frequently sell on sale for $20) so that you can hear
> other musicians
> playing or your monitor speakers.
>
> Ideally, of course, one should have in ear monitors for such
> an approach
> (but I still have never invested in them because they are so
> expensive and
> you have to have
> a very dependable feedback eliminating devices so that there
> is never a
> chance of feedback-------------one of Santa Cruz's most
> talented trumpet
> players had his brillian live career cut short by having his
> ears destroyed
> in a feedback incident
> and it just isn't worth the risk).
>
> I always used Beta 58s or Beta 57s on stage before I heard a
> pair of the AKG
> C1000s at a folk club in Berkeley touring with Martin
> Simpson.  They blew me
> away because the fidelity was so much greater than the Shure
> Betas and yet I
> could use very high monitored volumes (wonderful when one is playing a
> Liquid Glass Ghatam as I was on one song in that show).
>
> Wonderfully, one can purchase a pair of these great mics for
> $300 at most
> big music stores:  and you can always take this price to your
> local music
> store and give them the option of matching the price in an
> effort to buy
> local and keep your money in your own
> hometown.............this is my little
> strategy for keeping money local but still being able to
> afford equipment
> because it is priced reasonably.
>
> Well,
>
>

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jeff.....i would be interested even though i live in pittsburgh.....its not 
too long a drive to DC.....please keep us posted.....michael

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Hey Jeff,
    I live in NJ.  But I do small tours.  I would love to participate in
a looping festival in the DC area.  Keep me posted.

John
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At 2:41 AM -0800 2/22/03, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote:

>I always used Beta 58s or Beta 57s on stage before I heard a pair of the AKG
>C1000s ...one can purchase a pair of these great mics for $300 at most
>big music stores:

$330/pair on zZounds.com; $300/pair at musiciansfriend.com

This is a good opportunity for people to weigh in on their preferred 
microphones for various purposes.

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I really wanted to attend this, but it appears that 
I have a cracked rib, so no heavy lifting and I've 
got to take it easy. 

Have fun gang!


* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db


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>I've yet to own a mackie that didn't fail at least
>once.

I had a 1602 for about 10 years before I had any problems with it.  I've had a 1202 for about 4 years that I cart around for shows and stuff that I've never had a problem with.

   Kevin

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Jeff,

I live in your area and would be interested in attending.

Paolo

>Hi folks.  I've been considering putting together a Looping/ Avant music 
>festival in the Northern VA/DC area and I'm trying to get an idea of how 
>many people are in the aforementioned area might be interested in 
>attending.  So.... who's out there?
>
>Thanks,
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I really don't see what use it would be to complain to the datacenter that 
hosts the Looper's Delight server about some spam you received, unless your 
goal is to destroy our list. Please try to use your brains and take 
appropriate actions rather than making a problem worse.
thanks,
kim

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>
>Spam so virulent it made the news yesterday.  Boy am I never going to pay
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In a message dated 2/22/03 3:38:07 PM, tuned.universe@mindspring.com writes:

<< I'm trying to get an idea of how many people are in the aforementioned 
area might be interested in attending.  So.... who's out there? >>

Participated in the DC "Fingerpaint" sponsored Loop Night a few years ago.  
definitely interested - the drive from New Jersey was no big deal. - Paul

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OK, here's one of my *biggest* problems with looper's delight:

You're broadcasting your email to the world.

I know there are programs out there that just look for strings like 
x@x.x and automatically send spam out to it, if it looks like an email 
address.  The fact that the archives are not private and contain all 
our email address is really bad.  I get all kinds of spam that I'm sure 
comes from LD, not to mention that I get personal tech support 
questions about things I've mentioned in the past.

Anyway, that's my beef.  I haven't done anything about it because the 
list is too valuable to me, but it's truely the only list I'm on that 
works in this way.  It seems really bad.

BTW, I'm trying to move a large some of money out of my war torn home 
country, Nigeria.  If anyone can respectfully help me with the needs of 
this poor old widower of a Nigerian Prime Minister, or would like a 
larger penis, send me and email with your Visa or Master card number on 
it.  Thanks,

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On Saturday, February 22, 2003, at 03:08 PM, Kim Flint wrote:

> I really don't see what use it would be to complain to the datacenter 
> that hosts the Looper's Delight server about some spam you received, 
> unless your goal is to destroy our list. Please try to use your brains 
> and take appropriate actions rather than making a problem worse.
> thanks,
> kim
>
> At 12:38 AM 2/22/2003, S.P. Goodman wrote:
>> Complain with headers to abuse@marketaid.com; abuse@violacea.com;
>> abuse@superb.net; Abuse@hopone.net
>>
>> Spam so virulent it made the news yesterday.  Boy am I never going to 
>> pay
>> attention to that bunch...!
>>
>> S.P. Goodman
>> EarthLight Productions
>> *
>> http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and Illustrations!
>> http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine!
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Kim Flint                     | Looper's Delight
> kflint@loopers-delight.com    | http://www.loopers-delight.com
>

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> --- Jeffrey Lomas <jeff.lomas@oasis-open.org> wrote:
> > I would then give two signals (right/left) to the
> > house which could just be panned hard.
> 
> Sounds good.
> 
> One caveat: things may have changed since I was
> gigging a lot (like you, I'm talking about the Boston
> area), but I found that stereo was the exception more
> than the rule in house systems. A couple of reasons
> for this: mono requires half the number of power amps
> (a lot of clubs run the mains off one side and the
> monitors off the other), and significantly, a lot of
> sound guys/club owners are concerned that the mix be
> essentially the same in any part of the room.
> (Instruments panned hard aren't heard at all by many
> of the patrons in odd-shaped rooms.
> 
> So, go ahead with your two-signal plan, but be
> prepared in the event that the sound guy is running
> mono.
> 
> -t-

I've also found that a true stereo pa in a club is the exception.
I investigated many, many clubs here in Toronto when I was
looking for a new home for The Ambient Ping & had my eyes opened.
(I did find a club with stereo, subs and a great beer selection!)
As Tim pointed out - many clubs run left to the house
& right to the monitors or use up the left & right on bi-amping. 
True stereo also means more 32 band EQs, crossovers,
house compressors etc... Be sure to record yourself upstream
before you get monofied.

Cheers,
Scott M2

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>with my loopers I then make my loop be entirely wet so that there is no
>feedback potential with monitoring.
>
>You can then use mutes on something like a Mackie mixer and then use
>headphones to monitor the initial sound.

this helps a lot for the first layer but not much for the subsequent, 
because then the previous layers are increasingly colored through the 
monitors. How bad this coloring sounds depends a lot on monitor and 
mic quality and especially the room resonances.

>what I have come to is to use a condenser microphone with an incredibly
>narrow cartoid pattern (as found in the AKG C1000S for example) for all
>instruments that are smaller (triangles, small shakers and any sounds that I
>call micro-phonic-------------much quieter than normal).

I knew they sound well, but did not know about this characteristic. 
Thank you Rick!
-- 


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i can travel there. let me know.

thanks!

jimmy george
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  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Hi folks.  I've been considering putting together a Looping/ Avant =
music festival in the Northern VA/DC area and I'm trying to get an idea =
of how many people are in the aforementioned area might be interested in =
attending.  So.... who's out there?

  Thanks,
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Hey

used to be a regular around here a couple of years ago
and was looking to pick up a 2nd Headrush. I don't know
any shops in London that can get them, is this 'cos
they're discontinued or just not distributed in the UK
anymore, anyone know where I might pick up a new or
hardly used 2nd hand E1 pedal.

cheers
colin

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I dunno, knocking on wood, I get very little spam at
this address (which I use only for LD and a few other
music-related purposes), so I'm not sure I buy the
theory that it's a general list-wide spamming
epidemic.

-t-

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> looper's delight:
> 
> You're broadcasting your email to the world.

etc

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As far as I know, the Headrush hasn't been
discontinued. You don't see very many of them in shops
here in the US either; Musician's Fiend still carries
it, but I'm not sure they'd ship to Europe.

Maybe a London retailer who carries *other* Akai
products could order it for you?

Another option: I'll trade you *my* Headrush for an
EDP. Beige, black, Oberheim, Gibson; doesn't matter...
8^)

-t-

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>...looking to pick up a 2nd Headrush. I don't
> know any shops in London that can get them, is >this
'cos they're discontinued or just not >distributed in
the UK
> anymore, anyone know where I might pick up a new or
> hardly used 2nd hand E1 pedal.

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I have a Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro up for sale on ebay.  Item  
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seconds or memory and Auresis Loop 4.

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Hey there, Jeff,

I'd be interested in attending, let us know where and when.  I'm in
Alexandria, VA.

    Catch you on the flip side,


            Lee
  -----Original Message-----
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  Hi folks.  I've been considering putting together a Looping/ Avant music
festival in the Northern VA/DC area and I'm trying to get an idea of how
many people are in the aforementioned area might be interested in attending.
So.... who's out there?

  Thanks,
  Jeff Bragg
  http://tuned.universe.home.mindspring.com

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<DIV><SPAN class=632481015-23022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hey 
there, Jeff,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=632481015-23022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=632481015-23022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I'd be 
interested in attending, let us know where and when.&nbsp;&nbsp;I'm in 
Alexandria, VA.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=632481015-23022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=632481015-23022003>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff size=2>Catch you on the flip side,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=632481015-23022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=632481015-23022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN 
class=632481015-23022003>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
<FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Lee</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
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  size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> The Tuned Univerese - 
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  February 22, 2003 10:37 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi folks.&nbsp; I've been considering putting 
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  aforementioned area&nbsp;might be interested in attending.&nbsp; So.... who's 
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A 
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I'm not a performer but I would make it a point to be there.
I would be willing to help out in some way, even taking tickets
at the door or something....

Sempai
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  Hi folks.  I've been considering putting together a Looping/ Avant music festival in the Northern VA/DC area and I'm trying to get an idea of how many people are in the aforementioned area might be interested in attending.  So.... who's out there?

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  Jeff Bragg
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm not a performer but I would make it a point to 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I would be willing to help out in some way, even 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>at the door or something....</FONT></DIV>
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Regardless, it's just not good to publish your email address in a public 
place.  It's like scrawling "for a good time spam "looper's delight" on 
the bathroom of the popular bar.

Mark Sottilaro

On Sunday, February 23, 2003, at 06:37 AM, Tim Nelson wrote:

> I dunno, knocking on wood, I get very little spam at
> this address (which I use only for LD and a few other
> music-related purposes), so I'm not sure I buy the
> theory that it's a general list-wide spamming
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i totally agree, i have never had a problem with spam at this address either 
and it is only used for the LD.  The only thing that anoys me is all the gig 
spam, there is another place for that.  this is a forum to discuss all 
things looping, use the alotted space on the LD.  It seems that this is a 
one man problem and i guess kim is the one to take it up with instead of 
clogging my email and othes on the list with your problem.
Matt



>From: Tim Nelson <psychle62@yahoo.com>
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>
>I dunno, knocking on wood, I get very little spam at
>this address (which I use only for LD and a few other
>music-related purposes), so I'm not sure I buy the
>theory that it's a general list-wide spamming
>epidemic.
>
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>--- Mark Sottilaro <sine@zerocrossing.net> wrote:
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> > looper's delight:
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> > You're broadcasting your email to the world.
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THE AMBiENT PiNG   http://www.theambientping.com
Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30
  @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto
         3 blocks east of the Union Station subway.
         map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Tuesday Feb. 25th - Interweaver and Jamming Signal
    with Boudicca II Visuals

Interweaver, the ambient project of Leif Bloomquist (Schema),
returns to the Ping. Weaving together sounds of nocturnal winter
ambience with cold synths and samples, this first set will take
your senses from dark forests to deep under the earth's surface.
http://www.mp3.com/Interweaver

For the 2nd set, Leif will be joined by collaborator Jeph Wacheski
(Zug Island), together they form Jamming Signal. Improvising a
deep flow of layered ambience containing elements of glitch, dub,
field recordings and ambient noise.
http://www.mp3.com/jammingsignal

Between Sets CD - "FLUID - disc 1" by Jonathan Hughes/subspace
A 2 CD set conceived to be played on 2 decks, with each 8 minute
track designed to be compatible with any track on the opposite disc.
(We used to play this set regularly at the previous Ping location at
Po Boys Club on the twin CD decks, but here at nia we can only
feature one disc at a time. The music still stands well on its own,
as you'll hear...)  http://darius.pce.net/subspace/subspace.html
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's
finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus
performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia
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Drop off food at PiNG THiNGS for the Daily Bread Food Bank too.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Coming Tuesday March 4th - FaMished AMerica and PHOLDE

Susanna H http://www.humprojects.org/upcomingprojects.html
Nilan P http://www.interlog.com/%7Espeeb/cinn_bio_perera.htm
PHOLDE  http://www.pholde.com
 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

rik maclean's PiNG THiNGS' CD REViEWs

"Elapsed Time" by Matt Behrens

Inspired by a book investigating the technological aspects of the
Second World War, Matt Behrens has constructed a fascinating
piece of aural architecture with "Elapsed Time". Utilizing samples
and field recordings from previous works and reinterpreting them
in the context of a new theme, "Elapsed Time" presents seven
pieces all reflecting the nature of one of history's most troubled
and conflicted times. The disc utilizes a wide variety of sounds
to capture the period, ranging from deep resonant drones to
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and turmoil. A fascinating study both in the creation of
environment, and as a retrospective of Behrens' work.

rik maclean -  torment@corpusnet.com

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Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested
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i disagree ... it's not a "one man problem"

i created this e-mail address specifically only for posting-receiving LD
mail.

within a month of creating this account and posting to LD, i had already
started getting spam ... not too many, but i have had several other similar
accounts that have been spam-free for years.

it's no doubt the bots & spiders lifting e-mail addresses from the LD
mailing list archive.

>> i guess kim is the one to take it up with
>> instead of  clogging my email and others
>> on the list with your problem.

i brought this up with kim and got no response ... he provides a great
resource with LD, but unfortunately the administrative burdens and issues
aren't always his first priority, so i guess i'll live with the spam ...
it's worth it, but it would be nice to have the mailing list archive
obfuscate e-mail addresses

btw, i actually don't mind the gig announcements ... they are guaranteed to
be from subscribers and it's good to see people are gigging.

HTML e-mails from the list annoy me more!


----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 10:59 AM
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> i totally agree, i have never had a problem with spam at this address
either
> and it is only used for the LD.  The only thing that anoys me is all the
gig
> spam, there is another place for that.  this is a forum to discuss all
> things looping, use the alotted space on the LD.  It seems that this is a
> one man problem and i guess kim is the one to take it up with instead of
> clogging my email and othes on the list with your problem.
> Matt

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I believe the Elephant Talk list has somewhat remedied
this problem by formatting the poster e-mail address
like this: me at whatever dot com ...

Although now that I think of it this may be done
manually since the list is a digest only and would
make it a lot easier to search / replace @whatever.com
with at whatever dot com ...

This problem must be very selective though. I have
been on this list (lurking) for a few years now with
different e-mail addresses and I don't seem to notice
much of a problem with spam that would point to LD -- 


--- "doug @ jump/cut" <looper@jumpcut.net> wrote:
> i disagree ... it's not a "one man problem"
> 
> i created this e-mail address specifically only for
> posting-receiving LD
> mail.
> 
> within a month of creating this account and posting
> to LD, i had already
> started getting spam ... not too many, but i have
> had several other similar
> accounts that have been spam-free for years.
> 
> it's no doubt the bots & spiders lifting e-mail
> addresses from the LD
> mailing list archive.
> 
> >> i guess kim is the one to take it up with
> >> instead of  clogging my email and others
> >> on the list with your problem.
> 
> i brought this up with kim and got no response ...
> he provides a great
> resource with LD, but unfortunately the
> administrative burdens and issues
> aren't always his first priority, so i guess i'll
> live with the spam ...
> it's worth it, but it would be nice to have the
> mailing list archive
> obfuscate e-mail addresses
> 
> btw, i actually don't mind the gig announcements ...
> they are guaranteed to
> be from subscribers and it's good to see people are
> gigging.
> 
> HTML e-mails from the list annoy me more!
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matthew Wiley"
> Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 10:59 AM
> Subject: Re: R@volution my Patootie!
> 
> 
> > i totally agree, i have never had a problem with
> spam at this address
> either
> > and it is only used for the LD.  The only thing
> that anoys me is all the
> gig
> > spam, there is another place for that.  this is a
> forum to discuss all
> > things looping, use the alotted space on the LD. 
> It seems that this is a
> > one man problem and i guess kim is the one to take
> it up with instead of
> > clogging my email and othes on the list with your
> problem.
> > Matt
> 


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Matthew Wiley said:

>The only thing that anoys me is all the gig
> spam, there is another place for that

where are you talking about?

It seems like 80% of the list traffic is "me too" posts (which I absolutely
don't mind, makes it feel there's a bunch of people out there)
The gig spam can't be more than a single digit percentage, if not
fractional.

Gig spam is kind of a 'proof of concept' informational resource.  I like
knowing people have actually found workable performing strategies and
concepts.  I like the postings of mp3 links and cd releases for the same
reason.

But as I said recently, I think a LD gig spam deserves its own list, for
better visibility. That would solve Matthew's issues as well. I already
voted my $5 for a LD gig spam list :)

btw - I frankly don't understand this 'clogged email' talk all the time. Are
you folks using AOL or something??  Use simple mail management to filter and
separate mail. Because of 3-4 high traffic lists like LD, I get 20,000
emails a year, no prob. And programs like SpamAssasin help me see very
little of the reams of spam that float in with the good stuff.

If you can figure out an EDP or a Repeater, email isn't so bad!

Bob




----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew Wiley" <matthewf5@hotmail.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: R@volution my Patootie!


> i totally agree, i have never had a problem with spam at this address
either
> and it is only used for the LD.  The only thing that anoys me is all the
gig
> spam, there is another place for that.  this is a forum to discuss all
> things looping, use the alotted space on the LD.  It seems that this is a
> one man problem and i guess kim is the one to take it up with instead of
> clogging my email and othes on the list with your problem.
> Matt
>

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Squid Loop" <tentacle_joe@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Sunday, 23 February, 2003 3:55 PM
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> This problem must be very selective though. I have
> been on this list (lurking) for a few years now with
> different e-mail addresses and I don't seem to notice
> much of a problem with spam that would point to LD -- 

Take note if spam begins coming to this address
now that you've posted here. The current theory
seems to be that bots grab your e-mail addy
from the LD mailing list archive.

Cheers,
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i totally agree.  my point was to have one place that everyone can go to and 
see whats up in the live realm.  sometimes i get so many emails from LD that 
i just delete the gig spam.  i want to know whats going on, and it would be 
easier to just go to the given space for gigs, that would make it easier for 
everyone.  posting and making people aware of mp3's and website addresses is 
no problem i too like the fact that i can write and someone emails me right 
back.  it is a living breathing thing that is essential to the looping 
community.
peace
matt



>From: "astroblue" <astro@astroblue.com>
>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>Subject: Re: gig spam
>Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 13:03:03 -0800
>
>Matthew Wiley said:
>
> >The only thing that anoys me is all the gig
> > spam, there is another place for that
>
>where are you talking about?
>
>It seems like 80% of the list traffic is "me too" posts (which I absolutely
>don't mind, makes it feel there's a bunch of people out there)
>The gig spam can't be more than a single digit percentage, if not
>fractional.
>
>Gig spam is kind of a 'proof of concept' informational resource.  I like
>knowing people have actually found workable performing strategies and
>concepts.  I like the postings of mp3 links and cd releases for the same
>reason.
>
>But as I said recently, I think a LD gig spam deserves its own list, for
>better visibility. That would solve Matthew's issues as well. I already
>voted my $5 for a LD gig spam list :)
>
>btw - I frankly don't understand this 'clogged email' talk all the time. 
>Are
>you folks using AOL or something??  Use simple mail management to filter 
>and
>separate mail. Because of 3-4 high traffic lists like LD, I get 20,000
>emails a year, no prob. And programs like SpamAssasin help me see very
>little of the reams of spam that float in with the good stuff.
>
>If you can figure out an EDP or a Repeater, email isn't so bad!
>
>Bob
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Matthew Wiley" <matthewf5@hotmail.com>
>To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 10:59 AM
>Subject: Re: R@volution my Patootie!
>
>
> > i totally agree, i have never had a problem with spam at this address
>either
> > and it is only used for the LD.  The only thing that anoys me is all the
>gig
> > spam, there is another place for that.  this is a forum to discuss all
> > things looping, use the alotted space on the LD.  It seems that this is 
>a
> > one man problem and i guess kim is the one to take it up with instead of
> > clogging my email and othes on the list with your problem.
> > Matt
> >
>


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I personally think it is wonderful that
loopers are 'spamming' the list with announcements of
gigs.

It means we are becoming a healthier community and getting
our stuff out to the public in greater numbers.

Even if I can't make a Boston or Washington D.C. or New York
loopfestival or gig, I really feel connected, emotionally and
spiritually, with all the folks who are doing, analogously,
what we are doing out here in our neck of the woods in Northern
California.

I just propose that we add   Gig SPAM:   'such and such a gig'
to our subject in our e-mails so that everyone has the option
of deleting them if they aren't interested.

You know, I was at the flea market today and told the young
guy who regularly sells me my double soy mocha out there that
I'm leaving for a 12 country tour this summer in May.

He said, "That's amazing.......only three years ago you were telling
me that you were nervously preparing for your first ever solo
looping gig".  Wow, did that take me back!

That all happened largely because of this community.

I say  GIG SPAM on!!!!!!       .........and delete when you aren't
interested
(although I have a hard time understanding why you wouldn't be, frankly).

yours, Rick Walker



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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" <GLOBAL@cruzio.com>

> I personally think it is wonderful that
> loopers are 'spamming' the list with announcements of
> gigs.

That's right.

> I just propose that we add   Gig SPAM:   'such and such a gig'
> to our subject in our e-mails so that everyone has the option
> of deleting them if they aren't interested.

Very good idea.


> I say  GIG SPAM on!!!!!!       .........and delete when you aren't
> interested
> (although I have a hard time understanding why you wouldn't be, frankly).

Exactly!!!


* David Beardsley
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matthew Wiley" <matthewf5@hotmail.com>

>sometimes i get so many emails from LD that 
> i just delete the gig spam. 

The way to go. I've been deleting
email whining about gig spam and spam today.


* David Beardsley
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At 3:26 PM -0800 2/23/03, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote:
>I personally think it is wonderful that loopers are 'spamming' the 
>list with announcements of gigs.

I regularly forward announcements to friends and colleagues who might 
be interested.

>I just propose that we add   Gig SPAM:   'such and such a gig'
>to our subject

I've been trying to get in that habit. A brief title, place, and date 
should be all one needs to decide whether to read the message. And I 
don't think it's necessary to include "spam" in the subject.
-- 

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Hey there,
man i tottaly agree, the fact that there real breathing beings out there 
sending out waves into the universe is a great thing.  i think that people 
should continue sending gig info to the list so that we can network together 
and put on these type festivals.  i know i would love to get my trio out to 
play some of these festivals/shows with you guys.  i don't even really know 
if there is someone or how we could set up a gig page and keep it 
maintained.  Before i found this wonderful thing i didn't even know that 
there were others out there like me with similar musical interests that 
would be able to give me help and advice in the realm of looping.  the only 
way to move this forward is for everyone to do there part and get involved.  
maybe someone with web prowess can help with the spam prob. has, i don't 
know i just know that everyone on this list is very important to me.  i 
haven't felt like i really belonged to something since discovering LD.
peace
matt


>From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" <GLOBAL@cruzio.com>
>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>Subject: regarding GIG SPAM
>Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 15:26:11 -0800
>
>I personally think it is wonderful that
>loopers are 'spamming' the list with announcements of
>gigs.
>
>It means we are becoming a healthier community and getting
>our stuff out to the public in greater numbers.
>
>Even if I can't make a Boston or Washington D.C. or New York
>loopfestival or gig, I really feel connected, emotionally and
>spiritually, with all the folks who are doing, analogously,
>what we are doing out here in our neck of the woods in Northern
>California.
>
>I just propose that we add   Gig SPAM:   'such and such a gig'
>to our subject in our e-mails so that everyone has the option
>of deleting them if they aren't interested.
>
>You know, I was at the flea market today and told the young
>guy who regularly sells me my double soy mocha out there that
>I'm leaving for a 12 country tour this summer in May.
>
>He said, "That's amazing.......only three years ago you were telling
>me that you were nervously preparing for your first ever solo
>looping gig".  Wow, did that take me back!
>
>That all happened largely because of this community.
>
>I say  GIG SPAM on!!!!!!       .........and delete when you aren't
>interested
>(although I have a hard time understanding why you wouldn't be, frankly).
>
>yours, Rick Walker
>
>
>


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Hello there
Just joined the list. A few names from posts I recognize already so far.

Have been doing loop based recording but am stumbling towards live 
application. Some mp3 urls below signature.

I've been looking into low end samplers, seeking comments from the List's 
experience:

1. Zoom Sampletrack - someone mentioned this in a recent post, I only just 
came across it at the Zoom site. It does not seem to be for sale at the usual 
suspects like zzounds or musiciansfriend so no user reviews. Too new or 
already defunct?
I like the layout of the pads but I read that you can't adjust loop 
start/endpoint? And only a 4mb smartcard? Seems limited.

2. Electribe ES1 - is this one really only useful for techno tracks or is it 
more versatile than that?

3. Boss Dr. Sample 303 - well, price is right but how does it compare to the 
ones above? Is the sequencing user friendly?

4. Boss 505 Sampling Workstation - spendy, moving out of low end, is it 
really more bang for the buck? At least it looks like you can adjust loop 
start/endpoints easily. Must have?

So far I rather am inclined toward the Zoom, the pad arrangement seems 
favorable to creating new patterns in a physical way rather than a 
programming way.

I checked the archives a bit but am hoping for comments from folks who have 
tried these things or gigged with them. If this has already been hashed over 
too much on the List feel free to email me directly.

thanks
Bob Collier
The Thumb Piano Project
www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject 
http://trundlebox.iuma.com
http://brokenaxe.iuma.com

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I like your "Thumb Piano" stuff on the mp3.com !


----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 5:07 PM
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> Hello there
> Just joined the list. A few names from posts I recognize already so far.
>
> Have been doing loop based recording but am stumbling towards live
> application. Some mp3 urls below signature.
>
> I've been looking into low end samplers, seeking comments from the List's
> experience:
>
> 1. Zoom Sampletrack - someone mentioned this in a recent post, I only just
> came across it at the Zoom site. It does not seem to be for sale at the
usual
> suspects like zzounds or musiciansfriend so no user reviews. Too new or
> already defunct?
> I like the layout of the pads but I read that you can't adjust loop
> start/endpoint? And only a 4mb smartcard? Seems limited.
>
> 2. Electribe ES1 - is this one really only useful for techno tracks or is
it
> more versatile than that?
>
> 3. Boss Dr. Sample 303 - well, price is right but how does it compare to
the
> ones above? Is the sequencing user friendly?
>
> 4. Boss 505 Sampling Workstation - spendy, moving out of low end, is it
> really more bang for the buck? At least it looks like you can adjust loop
> start/endpoints easily. Must have?
>
> So far I rather am inclined toward the Zoom, the pad arrangement seems
> favorable to creating new patterns in a physical way rather than a
> programming way.
>
> I checked the archives a bit but am hoping for comments from folks who
have
> tried these things or gigged with them. If this has already been hashed
over
> too much on the List feel free to email me directly.
>
> thanks
> Bob Collier
> The Thumb Piano Project
> www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject
> http://trundlebox.iuma.com
> http://brokenaxe.iuma.com
>


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for me this thing has two sides.
one side:
i have no problem with clicking away gig spam, it΄s useless for me cause i don΄t live in usa
(please remember, this list is international!). it΄s also useless to spam myself for my gigs,
i can΄t imagine everybody running to the airplanes to come to my gigs in germoney...
other side:
i put my gigs to the giglist (it really exists!!), at the moment you can find 8 looping gigs there,
but on the mail-list there are 30 or 40 gig spams a month.
andi paulo
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i would like to have a CD list on LD, with looping CDs of the list members, with a short description
of the music, maybe mp3s.
everybody who wants his CD on the list could pay some $ for LD.
who else would like that?
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Hey Jeff,

I'm a looper in the NOVA area, who would not miss the opportunity!

Even if there is no loop fest, I'd still like to get together with some 
of y'all NOVA/DC loopers for practice or just grooving.

Dylan

----- Original Message -----
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Date: Saturday, February 22, 2003 10:37 am
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> Hi folks.  I've been considering putting together a Looping/ Avant 
> music festival in the Northern VA/DC area and I'm trying to get an 
> idea of how many people are in the aforementioned area might be 
> interested in attending.  So.... who's out there?
> 
> Thanks,
> Jeff Bragg
> http://tuned.universe.home.mindspring.com
> 
> 

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Hey Dylan, thanks for replying.  I live in Sterling.  We should get together
and talk about this in person, maybe get together and jam.  I was thinking
of having the festival at Jammin' Java in Vienna.

Best,
Jeff Bragg
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> Hey Jeff,
>
> I'm a looper in the NOVA area, who would not miss the opportunity!
>
> Even if there is no loop fest, I'd still like to get together with some
> of y'all NOVA/DC loopers for practice or just grooving.
>
> Dylan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "The Tuned Univerese - Webmaster" <tuned.universe@mindspring.com>
> Date: Saturday, February 22, 2003 10:37 am
> Subject: Looping Festival In DC Area?
>
> > Hi folks.  I've been considering putting together a Looping/ Avant
> > music festival in the Northern VA/DC area and I'm trying to get an
> > idea of how many people are in the aforementioned area might be
> > interested in attending.  So.... who's out there?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jeff Bragg
> > http://tuned.universe.home.mindspring.com
> >
> >
>
>


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> i would like to have a CD list on LD, with looping CDs of the 
> list members, with a short description of the music, maybe 
> mp3s. everybody who wants his CD on the list could pay some $ 
> for LD. who else would like that? andi paulo 

Nice idea! I would appreciate such a list. I'm a big fan of
www.epitonic.com and I have always wished they should have a "live
looping" genre as well. 

Best wishes

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Bob,

In a message dated 2/23/03 5:08:25 PM, Aptrev@aol.com writes:

>3. Boss Dr. Sample 303 - well, price is right but how does it compare to
>the ones above? Is the sequencing user friendly?

I own/use a SP-303 and find it pretty acceptable. I do not use the 
sequencer though. Haven't even tried it. It has nothing to do with
the unit in question though. I have 2 or 3 other devices that have
onboard sequencers and I don't use those either. It's just not a
part of my M.O. 

As for sample editing, I find it much more convenient and creatively 
satisfying to do that on a computer anyway. I searched for a cheap 
sampler that would allow me to import sound files from a 
computer in some fashion and found that the SP-303 fit the bill
reasonably well.

Best,

tEd � kiLLiAn

ArsOcarina@aol.com
http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian
http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
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In a message dated 2/24/03 7:32:52 AM, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes:

<< I own/use a SP-303 and find it pretty acceptable. I do not use the 

sequencer though. Haven't even tried it....It's just not a

part of my M.O.  >>

Hi Ted

What is your preferred usage/M.O. with the 303? Do you use it for pattern 
presets and effects?

thanks for your reply
regards
BobC

The Thumb Piano Project
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Thanks, Leander, but it wasn't me looking for the
Headrush. I've deleted the original post, so I'll
forward this to the list so the gentleman in London
can be duly notified!

-t-

Leander wrote:

>Hi Tim,
 
>try this shop. I bought one there and they'll ship to
>the U.K.
 
>www.musicstore-koeln.de

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--- Richard Zvonar <zvonar@zvonar.com> wrote:
> At 2:41 AM -0800 2/22/03, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote:
> 
> >I always used Beta 58s or Beta 57s on stage before I heard a pair of the AKG
> >C1000s ...one can purchase a pair of these great mics for $300 at most
> >big music stores:
> 
> $330/pair on zZounds.com; $300/pair at musiciansfriend.com
> 
> This is a good opportunity for people to weigh in on their preferred 
> microphones for various purposes.

The C1000 isn't a bad mic for stage work, with the hypercardioid adapter
installed and careful monitor placement, but any condenser mic is sensitive
enough to cause problems with feedback and unwanted noise pickup. It's probably
better in a more controled environment. However, it'll work on a battery when
phantom power isn't available, making it a nice portable tool.

The C1000 has a weak bass response that I think would make it a poor choice for
low frequency instruments. Records well a "zingy" sounding acoustic to fit into a
busy mix though. I think it's too thin sounding for good vocals.

In general, for all-around stage work, the SM57 is really pretty useful. Durable
too. I like the Beyer M201 (or even the M69) for a more neutral sound. The Audix
dynamic mics are nice and crisp sounding stage mics. A Shure SM7 or EV RE20 would
give better bass response without a lot of feedback issues.

Greg

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I was on the treadmill at the gym this morning. In
front of the treadmills are twelve television sets,
each tuned to a different channel, with headphone
jacks on the individual treadmills. VH1 was on the TV
in front of me, and a Norah Jones award show
performance was being aired. Partway through the song,
I noticed some extremely cool heavily reverbed backing
vocals, singing the slower parts of the song during
the part where Norah's phrasing was faster. It fit
perfectly. I didn't see any backing vocalists doing
such a part, however, and the timbre really sounded
like Norah's own voice... I had almost convinced
myself that she was doing some very tasteful looping,
when I realized that the radio station playing through
the gym's speakers was playing the studio version of
the same song... Doh!

-t- 

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Hi all,

hope the gig spam heading is good enough for those of you concerned about
such things...

anyway, I've got three gigs in the next month, and a live
radio broadcast/webcast this week,

Upcoming gigs -

Sunday March 2nd
Marlborough Theatre, (above the Marlborough pub, near the pavillions)
Prince's Street
Brighton
England

This will be with jazz/improv singer, Tess Garroway - Tess is great, and
this promises to be a fascinating, fun and unique musical evening! Muchos
looping, and I may even be looping her voice as well, if I can find an easy
way of feeding it into my rig...

 Doors are at 7.30, and tickets are £7 (£5 concs).

Thursday 27th March
Uxbridge Guitar Club
Abrook Arms
Uxbridge
England

Gig/Q and A, open to non-members. Should be alot of fun - email me for
further details. Not sure yet on ticket price and times etc... again, me
doing my solo thing, looping, and Qs about looping...

Sunday 30th March
The Troubadour
265 Old Brompton Road
Earl's Court
London SW5

Part of MMusic's Last Sundays guitar concert series. This one's a double
header with me and Madagascan guitarist, Modeste Hughes, who's marvellous.
The Troubadour has recently been revamped, and the club part of the venue
(downstairs) is just beautiful. The food is great, the atmosphere's
fantastic, and it promises to be a fantastic night. Tix £8, doors 7, music
from 8. Call 07855 775594 for reservations and details.

Live radio interview/performance

On Thursday 27th Feb, I'll be interviewed live on 'The Alternative
Alternative Show' on Loughborough Campus Radio, broadcast on 107.6FM in
Loughborough and, more importantly, streamed live on the web!

The interview will be between 7 and 9pm GMT (11am-1pm on the US west coast -
work it out from there...), and will be a joint interview with Antoine
Farfad from Canadian Prog-Fusioners, Spaced Out. Antoine and I will also
both be playing live on the show, which should be great fun! Once again, I
may be
looping him as well as me, who knows... :o)

To tune in, go to the show's website and click the 'listen live' button -
http://www.lcr1350.co.uk/schedule/shows.html?show=44 - you can tune in from
anywhere on the planet.

As always, feel free to forward all this info to
people/lists/websites/anywhere. You help getting the word out is always
appreciated... Email me if you need more info.

thanks

Steve
www.steve-lawson.co.uk (gig details, news, MP3s etc.)
www.stevelawson.net (the side-door)
www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk (buy CDs)
www.pmrecords.gemm.com (buy the same CDs)
www.solobassnetwork.org.uk (other people making solo bass noises)


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On Sat, 22 Feb 2003, The Tuned Univerese - Webmaster wrote:

> Hi folks.  I've been considering putting together a Looping/ Avant music festival in the Northern VA/DC area and I'm trying to get an idea of how many people are in the aforementioned area might be interested in attending.  So.... who's out there?
> 
> Thanks,
> Jeff Bragg
> http://tuned.universe.home.mindspring.com

I'm in Raleigh NC - depending on schedule I might be able to make it to 
DC, sure. 

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At 8:24 AM -0800 2/24/03, Greg House wrote:
>The C1000 has a weak bass response...Records well a "zingy" sounding 
>acoustic ...it's too thin sounding for good vocals.
>
>...for all-around stage work, the SM57...Beyer M201 (or even the 
>M69) for a more neutral sound. The Audix dynamic mics are nice and 
>crisp... Shure SM7 or EV RE20 would give better bass response 
>without a lot of feedback issues.


Thanks for the informed opinions.

Does anyone have suggestions for small mics that are suitable for 
mounting on instruments? At the moment I'm particularly interested in 
something for violin and viola. An obvious problem is the mounting 
itself, since it's critical not to mar the instrument in the process. 
One solution is a mini-gooseneck that could attach to the chin rest.

Contact mics are another area of interest, particularly for 
percussion (back to the main topic) and miscellaneous sounding bodies 
such as machines and architectural elements.

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> Does anyone have suggestions for small mics that are suitable for
> mounting on instruments?

to rehash the mention last month of 'film transducers' ....

I had mentioned this vendor:   http://www.pick-uptheworld.com/

and Tim Nelson had mentioned this one:
http://www.kksound.com/transducers.html

A the time we were talking about drums, but both both vendors position their
products for string instruments.

I use a PickUpTheWorld film pickup along with akg mic in my acoustic guitar.
I didn't get good results when I originally installed it, but recently got
hip to using a an appropriate preamp. I got an old Pendulum HZ-10SE
parametric preamp and and now I get excellent results from the film pickup.
It sounds a lot like a microphone actually.

I would expect great results on a violin as well. But I now believe a good
preamp with good EQ control is very important.

Bob






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> At 8:24 AM -0800 2/24/03, Greg House wrote:
> >The C1000 has a weak bass response...Records well a "zingy" sounding
> >acoustic ...it's too thin sounding for good vocals.
> >
> >...for all-around stage work, the SM57...Beyer M201 (or even the
> >M69) for a more neutral sound. The Audix dynamic mics are nice and
> >crisp... Shure SM7 or EV RE20 would give better bass response
> >without a lot of feedback issues.
>
>
> Thanks for the informed opinions.
>
> Does anyone have suggestions for small mics that are suitable for
> mounting on instruments? At the moment I'm particularly interested in
> something for violin and viola. An obvious problem is the mounting
> itself, since it's critical not to mar the instrument in the process.
> One solution is a mini-gooseneck that could attach to the chin rest.
>
> Contact mics are another area of interest, particularly for
> percussion (back to the main topic) and miscellaneous sounding bodies
> such as machines and architectural elements.
>
> --
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> Richard Zvonar, PhD
> (818) 788-2202
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Since I had to explain the basic MIDIclock settings recently to a 
percussionist who did not know anything about it. So about the 
following explanation was needed:
(sorry, I dont have the fluent language of Kims, and I tried to keep it short)

You got used to the basic functions of the EDP and now want to use it 
with a drum machine or sequencer (I refer to the HR16 here, the 
others are similar):

Connect the MIDI Out of the EDP to the MIDI In of the drum machine.
If you never used the Timing parameters of the EDP, they should be 
set correctly, otherwhise set 8th/cycle = 8 and Sync = Out (how? read 
next paragraph)
Set the drums pattern length to 4 and program a simple one bar rhythm.
Set the drums to "MIDI slave" or similar (the HR16 does it autmatically).
Press Record, play one bar, press Record again. The drum should start 
playing and keep the timing of the loop.

[ How to change parameters:
Press Parameter until the green LED lights on the row you want 
(Tempo, in this case, so just press once) and then look at the 
parameter by pressing the button in the column you want (Multiply for 
8th/cycle or Insert for Sync in this case) and change it by pressing 
the button again until the value you want appears. In case of 
8th/cycle you can also use the FeedBack knob to regulate. A long 
press takes you to the default value which is 8 for 8th/cycle and Out 
for Sync. Then go back to playing by pressing Parameter longly ]

Note:
- The parameter name 8th/beat is confusing and is renamed to 
8th/cycle in the EDP+
- To simplify operation, the sequence of the 8th/cycle values is irregular
- If the cycle is too short, the Timing LED does not blink and the 
drum does not start

Now a main question: the length of the loop in relation to the drum pattern.
Roughly, the following names correspond:
   Pattern = Cycle
   Song (several patterns) = Loop (seveal cycles)
We synchronize the Cycle to the Pattern
The length of the pattern in the drum machine is usually defined by 
beats (quarter notes) while the lenght of the cycle in the EDP is 
defined by 8th = half beats.
So if the parameter 8th/beat is set to 8 and the pattern lenth to 4 
beats, the pattern and the cycle are of the same length.
But often either your basic cycle or the drum pattern contains 
several bars, so we need to deal with this correctly to avoid 
surprises where the drums suddenly plays at double or half speed. So 
these are the typical variations:

You want to play a 4 bar loop and use the same one bar drum pattern. 2 ways:
1)  you create a one bar cycle first without playing, so the drum 
starts and guides you while using Multiply to play your 4 bar theme
2)  you set 8th/cycle = 32 and record the 4 bar loop (=cycle) in one go

You use a 2 bar drum pattern (still with the settings as in the beginning):
1)  you record a 2 bar cycle so the drums come in right
2)  you set the 8th/cycle = 4 and record a 1 bar cycle

You change pattern length to 16 and program a 4 bar pattern:
1) leave 8th/cycle = 8 and record a 1 bar cycle
2) change the 8th/cycle = 32 and record a 4 bar cycle

Similar for odd rhythms:
Set the 8th/cycle = twice the Pattern length for equal number of 
bars. To reach the odd 8th/cycle values, press 10 times to pass the 
even values, then it starts to count every number starting at 1...


The benefit of the Sync parameter:
So far it was set to Out which is the most acurate and automatic method.

If you set Sync = OuS, the drum will not start and stop automatically any more.
Once the loop is running, you can start it manually at the drum 
itself, but you have to hit the Start button exactly, otherwise its 
off. So you better start from the EDP at the next beat one by 
pressing: Mute-Multiply (or the DirectMIDIcmd QuantizedStartSong if 
you have a MIDI pedal and Loop4)

If you set Sync = In, you can reverse the Master - Slave order, so 
the EDP joins into and keeps with :
You have to reconect the MIDI cable from the drum Out to EDP IN
Set the drum to "internal clock" or similar
Set the tempo at the drum
Start the drum first
Record as long as you want. Watch the green MULTIPLE numbers count the cycles.
The loop will be rounded to a multiple of the length defined by the 
pattern length and 8th/cycle, just as explained above.

In general: Its interesting to keep the drum simple, especially if 
you can loop percussion sounds, too, so you keep the drum for a 
constant base and add (changing) live stuff in the loop.

Hope this helps, at least to write this better :-)

For more info there is Kims FAQ: 
http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ3.html
and the manual...
-- 


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Bob,

In a message dated 2/24/03 8:14:46 AM, Aptrev@aol.com writes:

>What is your preferred usage/M.O. with the 303? Do you use it for 
>pattern presets and effects?

I just use the SP-303 for it's basic function as a "phrase" sampler. I do use 
some of its onboard effects (ring-modulator, lo-/hi-pass filters, "decimator"
and auto "slicer-dicer" -- whatever, occasionally). They are cool. But, 
mostly, 
I only use it (lately) to store and play several "canned" rhythmic loops of 
"ethnic" 
percussion. These are all pre-edited in the computer to files of the exact 
same 
size, to form SP-303 "banks" that will always, absolutely "sync up" -- no 
matter 
what (as long as I hit the unit's pads anywhere near a downbeat, that is). 

I also use it to play some ambient/ambiguous synth pads and analog-ish bass 
"pulses" for specific pieces from my CD that I find I am requested/required 
to replicate live. My CD was recorded as a live, in-the-studio improv but it
is rather difficult to conjure up all of those improvised elements repeatedly 
in performance (on-the-fly) every time so I have learned to pre-record just
a few of the basic loops and play the rest into my EDPs. I also have some 
sampled "orchestral" stuff in the 303 that I've been working up over the past 
year. The first thing I did with the 303 was wipe the memory of all of its 
factory sounds and replace them with my own "created" and "found" sounds.

But, I don't use half of its cool features. I'm sort of an idiot that way -- 
a fact easily explained by my pointing out that I'm a guitar player (LOL,
and not a particularly adept one at that, heheheh). I find the sound quality 
to be pretty good (to my ears). And, I like the convenience of SmartMedia 
cards. The SP-303 uses the same ones as my Olympus digital camera, 
so I always have a few extras on hand. 

As for playing it . . . I program the buttons on the 303 to "latch" so 
the sample plays as a loop (ad infinitum) until the button is hit again. 
Pretty darn basic, huh? I really wish there was some easy way to control 
the volumes of specific, single tracks on-the-fly though (like a built 
in mixer). I guess you need the 808 for that feature. But, it gets me 
by . . . and I am on a rather tight budget.

Best,

tEd � kiLLiAn

ArsOcarina@aol.com
http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian
http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake

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I use a McIntyre which uses a small piece of black tar as an adhesive.  It works great on my cuatro and the tar washes off nicely.  The pickups sound very natural and give a good response without a pre.  I know they have a website http://www.mcintyrepickups.com/, give it a look.

Later,
Weg



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DONT get a 303. get a zoom sampletrak.  the most underrated piece of gear , 
ever.  I do sound design on it using the resampling function and can make 
anything from long morphing pads to (yes) drums. (starting out witha bank of 
raw waveforms)...

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At 03:50 PM 2/23/2003, Matthew Wiley wrote:
>  i don't even really know if there is someone or how we could set up a 
> gig page and keep it maintained.

Yet another opportunity to point out that Looper's Delight has had a gig 
calendar page for many years now. It is easy to use, and is visited by a 
lot more people than are subscribed to this list. If you post your gig info 
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http://www.loopers-delight.com/gigs/performances.html

the gig calendar is even shared with many other sites, so people who don't 
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btw ive tried the es 1 and its awful.. sampling/resampling is a clunky 
nightmare- its more of a "rythym" sampler than anything else. As for not 
being able to adjust start and end on eth zoom, thats ludicrous.  People who 
told you that havent fully read the manual . You can adjust start/end to the 
sample , and its quick and easy to do. Ive admitedly never tried eth 303, but 
Im familiar with its specs and have had its precursor, the 202.    Bottom 
line, the Zoom is simply the best low budget sampler available. If you saw 
some of the things I can do with this machine your jaw would drop- I have a 
bank of waveforms in it , and treat it as a synthesizer. There are some real 
secrets hidden in this machine- If anyones interested Ive been considering 
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In a message dated 2/24/03 11:02:39 AM, Ray9356@aol.com writes:

<< There are some real 
secrets hidden in this machine- If anyones interested Ive been considering 
putting up a web page about it.  Say the word. >>

I read a product review that mentioned the start/end issue but can't remember 
where, likely they did not read the manual all the way thru.
Is the zoom old or new? I can't seem to find USA vendors on the web who stock 
it so as to do price comparisons.
Anyway I would certainly be interested in reaading tips and tricks regarding 
the zoom sampler.

regards
BobC

The Thumb Piano Project
www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject 
http://trundlebox.iuma.com

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I'm intrigued, please post your tips!!  Especially tips regarding
incorporating this thing into a live interactive looping setup.  Do you have
any quick tip teasers right now, or any audio samples on hand featuring some
of your uses for this device?

Thanks,

Mike

P.S. If it's not too much trouble, would you mind posting to LD using plain
ASCII text emails instead of HTML emails?  It's kind the digest folks who
end up getting a bunch of HTML code in their digest, rather than just the
body text. Thanks!  :-)


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btw ive tried the es 1 and its awful.. sampling/resampling is a clunky
nightmare- its more of a "rythym" sampler than anything else. As for not
being able to adjust start and end on eth zoom, thats ludicrous.  People who
told you that havent fully read the manual . You can adjust start/end to the
sample , and its quick and easy to do. Ive admitedly never tried eth 303,
but Im familiar with its specs and have had its precursor, the 202.
Bottom line, the Zoom is simply the best low budget sampler available. If
you saw some of the things I can do with this machine your jaw would drop- I
have a bank of waveforms in it , and treat it as a synthesizer. There are
some real secrets hidden in this machine- If anyones interested Ive been
considering putting up a web page about it.  Say the word.

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I'd enjoy reading in depth about what you find interesting about the=20
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and sample manipulation ideas.

BTW, nice D&B loops too!

Mark

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> People who told you that havent fully read the manual . You can adjust=20=

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I'd enjoy reading in depth about what you find interesting about the
Zoom, and it might be interesting for LD too in terms of
user-interface and sample manipulation ideas.


BTW, nice D&B loops too!


Mark


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<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>btw ive tried the es 1 and
its awful.. sampling/resampling is a clunky nightmare- its more of a
"rythym" sampler than anything else. As for not being able to adjust
start and end on eth zoom, thats ludicrous.=A0 People who told you that
havent fully read the manual . You can adjust start/end to the sample
, and its quick and easy to do. Ive admitedly never tried eth 303, but
Im familiar with its specs and have had its precursor, the 202.=A0=A0=A0
Bottom line, the Zoom is simply the best low budget sampler available.
If you saw some of the things I can do with this machine your jaw
would drop- I have a bank of waveforms in it , and treat it as a
synthesizer. There are some real secrets hidden in this machine- If
anyones interested Ive been considering putting up a web page about
it.=A0 Say the word.</smaller></fontfamily>


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Under Jay Cloidt's mentorship, I used Countryman Isomax's on the 
Kronos Quartet when I did their live sound. We used double stick tape 
hundreds of times, but stuck them on the bridge, not the body. Still, 
no damage or marring.

Unfortunately, I think there is a fundamental problem with 
close-miking acoustic string instruments, since the body is such a 
complex resonator (see Max Matthews'  canonical paper on modelling a 
violin body using filter banks). The Kronos' lavaliers were there for 
higher gain during effects or tape heavy pieces, not so much for a 
natural sound.

We also used AKG C747 miniature shotgun mics: 
http://www.akg-acoustics.com/english/microphones/c747.htm
to strike a balance between isolation, natural sound, and unobtrusiveness.
Put them on tiny floor stands and point them up at the underside of 
the instrument.

A mix using the AKG's for unprocessed reinforcement and the Isomax's 
potted up into pre-fader effects sends was workable. The Isomax's 
also worked well for providing detail in halls that were too big for 
chamber music, as long as you had good EQ and time to set it to knock 
down the midrange peaks.

-Alex S.





At 8:53 AM -0800 2/24/03, Richard Zvonar wrote:
>At 8:24 AM -0800 2/24/03, Greg House wrote:
>>The C1000 has a weak bass response...Records well a "zingy" 
>>sounding acoustic ...it's too thin sounding for good vocals.
>>
>>...for all-around stage work, the SM57...Beyer M201 (or even the 
>>M69) for a more neutral sound. The Audix dynamic mics are nice and 
>>crisp... Shure SM7 or EV RE20 would give better bass response 
>>without a lot of feedback issues.
>
>
>Thanks for the informed opinions.
>
>Does anyone have suggestions for small mics that are suitable for 
>mounting on instruments? At the moment I'm particularly interested 
>in something for violin and viola. An obvious problem is the 
>mounting itself, since it's critical not to mar the instrument in 
>the process. One solution is a mini-gooseneck that could attach to 
>the chin rest.
>
>Contact mics are another area of interest, particularly for 
>percussion (back to the main topic) and miscellaneous sounding 
>bodies such as machines and architectural elements.
>
>--
>
>______________________________________________________________
>Richard Zvonar, PhD
>(818) 788-2202
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That's hilarious. Did you try walking the treadmill backwards to see 
what it would sound like :-?



>I was on the treadmill at the gym this morning. In
>front of the treadmills are twelve television sets,
>each tuned to a different channel, with headphone
>jacks on the individual treadmills. VH1 was on the TV
>in front of me, and a Norah Jones award show
>performance was being aired. Partway through the song,
>I noticed some extremely cool heavily reverbed backing
>vocals, singing the slower parts of the song during
>the part where Norah's phrasing was faster. It fit
>perfectly. I didn't see any backing vocalists doing
>such a part, however, and the timbre really sounded
>like Norah's own voice... I had almost convinced
>myself that she was doing some very tasteful looping,
>when I realized that the radio station playing through
>the gym's speakers was playing the studio version of
>the same song... Doh!
>
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In a message dated 2/24/03 10:04:34 AM, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes:

<< every time so I have learned to pre-record just

a few of the basic loops and play the rest into my EDPs. >>

Sorry, I'm not used to the acronyms here yet, EDP as in echoplex digital or 
extended delay pedal?

How many EDP's do you use at the same time?

regards
BobC

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In a message dated 2/24/03 2:18:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
m.lameyer@verizon.net writes:


> Do you have
> any quick tip teasers right now, or any audio samples on hand featuring 
> some
> of your uses for this device?

Essentially The zoom makes it so easy to sample and resample that once you 
get in a groove with it (get a flow with using the pads) you can carry a 
sample so far form its source that the zoom ends up acting more like a synth 
or a wave editor than a sampler.  All of eth fx on my page were made with 
nothing but a crate of records and the zoom. in case anyone missed:


http://hometown.aol.com/ray9356/index.html


Due to the expressed interest Il work up a tutorial(s) Heres whats in store.  
Some of you who know synthesis sound design can figure this stuff yourselves

The HIDDEN reverb effect (since the original one sucks).
how to get a better chorus effect  (cmon now, this ones obvious).
A way to play the thing live on (almost) its own (silly but works- and hella 
fun too)

im not sure if im the one causing trouble with html but my emails are plain 
text. :)

ill post the page in a day or so.

ah, what the hell i wont torture you too much: 


SECRET REVERB ON THE ZOOM


reverb is really just a lot of small delays.  Effect Enable the pad you want 
to use the (new) reverb on, and set the effect to DELAY.  Put the edit 2 
wheel at about 9 oclock and the edit 1 wheel all the way down. While hitting 
the sample continously to test, slowly move the edit 1 wheel up .  Youll hear 
a little flange/chorus sound that will slowly turn into a reverb then become 
a delay.  The point at which the delays start to sound like seperate samples 
is the point this "secret" reverb ends and the standard delay effect begins.  
When you hear it start to sound like a delay, just pull the edit 2 wheel 
slightly back to the "reverb" sweet spot.  :) 

works well on most things- can be used on drums but Ive found the trouble 
isnt worth it, since there is a very specific sweet spot thehre where the 
drums dont sound delayed, and the result is barely noticable reverb.



more to come






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 Time, m.lameyer@verizon.net writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Do you have<BR>
any quick tip teasers right now, or any audio samples on hand featuring some=
<BR>
of your uses for this device?</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Essentially The zoom makes it so easy to sample and resample that once you g=
et in a groove with it (get a flow with using the pads) you can carry a samp=
le so far form its source that the zoom ends up acting more like a synth or=20=
a wave editor than a sampler.&nbsp; All of eth fx on my page were made with=20=
nothing but a crate of records and the zoom. in case anyone missed:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
http://hometown.aol.com/ray9356/index.html<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Due to the expressed interest Il work up a tutorial(s) Heres whats in store.=
&nbsp; Some of you who know synthesis sound design can figure this stuff you=
rselves<BR>
<BR>
The HIDDEN reverb effect (since the original one sucks).<BR>
how to get a better chorus effect&nbsp; (cmon now, this ones obvious).<BR>
A way to play the thing live on (almost) its own (silly but works- and hella=
 fun too)<BR>
<BR>
im not sure if im the one causing trouble with html but my emails are plain=20=
text. :)<BR>
<BR>
ill post the page in a day or so.<BR>
<BR>
ah, what the hell i wont torture you too much: <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
SECRET REVERB ON THE ZOOM<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
reverb is really just a lot of small delays.&nbsp; Effect Enable the pad you=
 want to use the (new) reverb on, and set the effect to DELAY.&nbsp; Put the=
 edit 2 wheel at about 9 oclock and the edit 1 wheel all the way down. While=
 hitting the sample continously to test, slowly move the edit 1 wheel up .&n=
bsp; Youll hear a little flange/chorus sound that will slowly turn into a re=
verb then become a delay.&nbsp; The point at which the delays start to sound=
 like seperate samples is the point this "secret" reverb ends and the standa=
rd delay effect begins.&nbsp; When you hear it start to sound like a delay,=20=
just pull the edit 2 wheel slightly back to the "reverb" sweet spot.&nbsp; :=
) <BR>
<BR>
works well on most things- can be used on drums but Ive found the trouble is=
nt worth it, since there is a very specific sweet spot thehre where the drum=
s dont sound delayed, and the result is barely noticable reverb.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
more to come<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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Hey
I just got a good scare I thought I had fried my EDP what suggestions
does anyone have as far as easy fixes for preventing static discharges
from destroying your EDP or other devices. I have read this one
http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html#static and
will likely apply it real soon. Any other easy solutions that might
require extensive measures or that do require extensive measures?

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Can anyone here describe the difference between the Digitech 7.6 second 
Time Machine and the later RDS 8000 model, or the 3.6 vs. the later RDS 
4000?  I had several of the 7.6 units which were great loopers, and 
sometimes see the 8000 or 4000 offered used.  Any significant 
differences?

David Lee Myers
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I've used the aforementioned mics for years... a countryman isomax II omni
is the best and most stable mic i've worked with.  We use them for the Steve
Reich and Musicians tour, on the string quartet, and my quartet Ethel
(http://www.ethelcentral.com) uses them, and i've used them solo for years.

have also used dpa lavs, but they need a pad and are far too hot and pick up
everything else in the room, so I don't use 'em much anymore...

HOWEVER

I now use Applied Microphone Technology microphones for my violins.

http://www.appliedmic.com

I endorse this company and think of them very highly.  for every instrument.
I use them on live gigs where I don't process, even record with 'em
sometimes.  both wired and wireless, both are really nice little mics...

of course DPA  also makes the big capsule mics for mounting on the fiddle.
about $1500 a piece.  I think.  those are definitely the best I've ever
worked with.  had them on tour for two years, sound amazing.

for processing, however, the countryman is still the best and most stable
option, for a mic.  I am mostly a direct guy, having used nothing but an LR
Baggs system for 10 years.  Never a problem, never a complaint. plug into a
fender twin, or into a soundcraft.  The quartet uses them exclusively with
our loopers as well. ( the cellist actually uses a Ned Steinberger/David
Gage "Realist" pickup.

and alex is right, the countryman mounted to the bridge ends up sounding
more like a direct sound than a mic'ed sound,  but throw it through some
gentle reverb and it's all good.   and yes, the bridge is the place to be,
not the body...   too much going on there anyway.  Distinct from Kronos, we
use either Neumann K184's or a couple of AT 4060's either above us or
directly in front to accomplish the same effect.  But darnit, I'm gonna get
four of those 747's and give 'em a run.  thanks for your experience, Alex.

Kronos is still using this exact setup, although they're throwing up a
couple Meyer speaker wedges up on stands for their latest tour from their
latest record, nuevo.  I can't tell whether they're in there or if it's just
for playback because they have so much additional track in the mix.

all the best, hope this is helpful...

todd





On 2/24/03 2:44 PM, "Alex Stahl" <alex@pixar.com> wrote:

> Under Jay Cloidt's mentorship, I used Countryman Isomax's on the
> Kronos Quartet when I did their live sound. We used double stick tape
> hundreds of times, but stuck them on the bridge, not the body. Still,
> no damage or marring.
> 
> Unfortunately, I think there is a fundamental problem with
> close-miking acoustic string instruments, since the body is such a
> complex resonator (see Max Matthews'  canonical paper on modelling a
> violin body using filter banks). The Kronos' lavaliers were there for
> higher gain during effects or tape heavy pieces, not so much for a
> natural sound.
> 
> We also used AKG C747 miniature shotgun mics:
> http://www.akg-acoustics.com/english/microphones/c747.htm
> to strike a balance between isolation, natural sound, and unobtrusiveness.
> Put them on tiny floor stands and point them up at the underside of
> the instrument.
> 
> A mix using the AKG's for unprocessed reinforcement and the Isomax's
> potted up into pre-fader effects sends was workable. The Isomax's
> also worked well for providing detail in halls that were too big for
> chamber music, as long as you had good EQ and time to set it to knock
> down the midrange peaks.
> 
> -Alex S.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At 8:53 AM -0800 2/24/03, Richard Zvonar wrote:
>> At 8:24 AM -0800 2/24/03, Greg House wrote:
>>> The C1000 has a weak bass response...Records well a "zingy"
>>> sounding acoustic ...it's too thin sounding for good vocals.
>>> 
>>> ...for all-around stage work, the SM57...Beyer M201 (or even the
>>> M69) for a more neutral sound. The Audix dynamic mics are nice and
>>> crisp... Shure SM7 or EV RE20 would give better bass response
>>> without a lot of feedback issues.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks for the informed opinions.
>> 
>> Does anyone have suggestions for small mics that are suitable for
>> mounting on instruments? At the moment I'm particularly interested
>> in something for violin and viola. An obvious problem is the
>> mounting itself, since it's critical not to mar the instrument in
>> the process. One solution is a mini-gooseneck that could attach to
>> the chin rest.
>> 
>> Contact mics are another area of interest, particularly for
>> percussion (back to the main topic) and miscellaneous sounding
>> bodies such as machines and architectural elements.
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>> (818) 788-2202
>> http://www.zvonar.com
>> http://RZCybernetics.com
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--- David Myers <dmgraph@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Can anyone here describe the difference between the
> Digitech 7.6 second [and the RDS-8000}?

These two kinda contradictary posts are from ye olde
LD archive:

************************************************
Subject: Re: RDS 8000 vs. RDS 7.6 (Digitech
timemachines) 
From: pcamann@csc.com 
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:02:50 -0400 

>>What is the difference? (to the gentleman in the
back
     row,I know one is 7.6 sec. and one is 8 sec.)And
they
     are different in color, but what do the different
     buttons on the 7.6 do that the knobs on the 8000
do
     not?  <<

I own one of each, and the short answer to the second
question is, well,
nothing really.

I don't have them in front of me, so I'm going on
memory, but the 7.6 has a
flashing LED which gives you a visual indication of
the start/end of a loop.  It may also have an extra
control jack or two on
the back for setting/synchronizing delay times to
drum machines or footswitches.  The rotary control on
the 8000 (which is a
detented pot like the DOD DFX94) does the same
thing as the buttons on the 7.6 for range switching.

The most important difference is internal -- the 8000
board is _much_
smaller than the 7.6, and has a big honkin' LSI chip
for
doing all of the delay functions.  I believe (someone
may want to correct
me on this) it is also a 12-bit sampler/delay; the 7.6
is
definitely 8-bit.

I will now happily unsubscribe and re-enter the
lurker's murk...

Paul Camann
**************************************
and then:
**************************************
From: Garry Wasyliw <was@dlcwest.com> 
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 00:25:39 -0600 


>From: Pratt Winkle <prattwink2@yahoo.com> 
>Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 08:47:08
>....They sound quite
>different! Almost to the point of being bad vs. good.
I've now owned them both and agree.  The 7.6 is 8 bit
and the 8000, 12 bit.
 The 7.6 was noisy and distorted and as such caused me
to trade it off for
the 8000.  The 7.6 might be tolerable in front of a
distortion device, but
for clean sounds, it is not very good. The 8000 sounds
quite good to me.
I'm using keyboards and I kept thinking  that there
was some sort of level
problem with the 7.6.  I finally concluded that that
was the way it sounded.

>The 7.6 has a hum that comes from the unit (not
>through the amp but actually inside the unit)
I experienced this as well.  The hum turns out to be
coming from the power
transformer inside the unit.  I had another device at
that time doing the
same thing.  I was told by an electronics guy that a
smaller, cheaper
transformer like the one used here will vibrate
internally at 60 cycles.  I
tried a fix with about 80% sucess.  It may be of use
to someone, but of
course, don't try this if you're not comfortable with
going inside an
electronic device and I can't be responsible for
anything that may go wrong
if you try it.

1- Unplug the device and open it to access the
transformer. 
2- Unbolt the transformer and pull it clear of the
unit; no need to unhook
its wiring.
3- The transformer is comprised of a metal band
wrapped around several
layers of metal plates.  Bend the tabs of the bottom
of the band back and
bend the band away from the transformer body until you
can remove the band.
4- Mix up a batch of two part epoxy.  Smear the epoxy
over the ends of the
metal plates.  Put the band back on and bend the tabs
back into place to
secure the band.  The epoxy should be all around under
the band and can
squirt out around as well.
5- Let the epoxy set.
6- Bolt the transformer back in. You can try putting a
layer of rubber
material under the mounting surface.
7- Reassemble the unit.

Basically this trys to prevent the vibration between
the plates within the
transformer and may help from a little to a lot.

>Some button presses on the 7.6 sends a small
>pop or thud to the amp.
I heard this too.

>Do you think my 7.6 could be worn out yet still
working, or did they
>just perfect the idea on the 8000?
I think your 7.6 is probably working fine.  I thought
there was quite a
difference between it and the 8000.

Garry






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--- todd reynolds <toddreynolds@rcn.com> wrote:

>   Distinct from Kronos, we
> use either Neumann K184's or a couple of AT 4060's either above us or
> directly in front to accomplish the same effect.  

Does the wide pattern on the KM184s ever give you problems (feedback, poor
isolation, etc)?

Greg

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might be tricky for me as i'm in NYC, but i'd sure consider it if invited...

t.

On 2/24/03 11:55 AM, "burnett@pobox.com" <burnett@pobox.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 22 Feb 2003, The Tuned Univerese - Webmaster wrote:
> 
>> Hi folks.  I've been considering putting together a Looping/ Avant music
>> festival in the Northern VA/DC area and I'm trying to get an idea of how many
>> people are in the aforementioned area might be interested in attending.
>> So.... who's out there?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Jeff Bragg
>> http://tuned.universe.home.mindspring.com
> 
> I'm in Raleigh NC - depending on schedule I might be able to make it to
> DC, sure. 
> 
> Steve
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not really, cuz we don't put 'em in the monitors... it actually gives a nice
blanket for the whole band...

oh, and I see my last one was unclear... either the 184's above each
instrument or the two 4060's as a stereo pair in front... that's what I
meant...

t.

On 2/24/03 5:12 PM, "Greg House" <ghunicycle@yahoo.com> wrote:

> --- todd reynolds <toddreynolds@rcn.com> wrote:
> 
>>   Distinct from Kronos, we
>> use either Neumann K184's or a couple of AT 4060's either above us or
>> directly in front to accomplish the same effect.
> 
> Does the wide pattern on the KM184s ever give you problems (feedback, poor
> isolation, etc)?
> 
> Greg
> 
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Sorry,

EDP = Echoplex Digital Pro
I use 2 of them synched as a stereo pair.

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Bob,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: astroblue [mailto:astro@astroblue.com]
> Sent: Montag, 24. Februar 2003 18:19
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: microphones ( was "electric percussion instruments")

> I use a PickUpTheWorld film pickup along with akg mic in my
> acoustic guitar.
> I didn't get good results when I originally installed it, but
> recently got
> hip to using a an appropriate preamp. I got an old Pendulum HZ-10SE
> parametric preamp and and now I get excellent results from
> the film pickup.

What, please, is a "parametric preamp" ? I am familiar with things called
"parametric amplifiers" from my courses in HF electronics, but I do not
understand how you would use one of these for your microphones. (A
parametric amplifier is a weird device which you can use, among other
things, to take a baseband signal and mix it with a 1 GHz (or something)
carrier wave to get a means of transferring your baseband signal in the
microwave range. Every radio, mobile phone, TV or whatever has (at least)
one.)

Thanks,

	Rainer

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That about sums it up, but I just wanted to add a
couple of things:

Regarding the hum, I don't hear a hum with mine. 
Soundwise I think it sounds great, but to be honest I
actually liked the sound of my older Digitech 3.6
Digital Delay System.  I guess I'm into grain.

The most important difference, at least when I was
looking into these units, is the options for
controlling it.  I can't remember off hand what the
differences were, but a quick comparison between the
manuals (the .pdf for the 8000 and the HTML here on LD
for the 7.6) will reveal the differences.  The 7.6 has
more looper-friendly options than the 8000.

Regards,
Rich



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>> parametric preamp ??

ah, sorry.... sloppytalk!!!   :(

I meant I have a preamp with integrated (4 band) parametric EQ.

The preamp and the EQ functionality just happens to be combined in this
unit, they could easily be separate components.

sorry for the confusion!

Bob Campbell



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> Bob,
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: astroblue [mailto:astro@astroblue.com]
> > Sent: Montag, 24. Februar 2003 18:19
> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > Subject: Re: microphones ( was "electric percussion instruments")
>
> > I use a PickUpTheWorld film pickup along with akg mic in my
> > acoustic guitar.
> > I didn't get good results when I originally installed it, but
> > recently got
> > hip to using a an appropriate preamp. I got an old Pendulum HZ-10SE
> > parametric preamp and and now I get excellent results from
> > the film pickup.
>
> What, please, is a "parametric preamp" ? I am familiar with things called
> "parametric amplifiers" from my courses in HF electronics, but I do not
> understand how you would use one of these for your microphones. (A
> parametric amplifier is a weird device which you can use, among other
> things, to take a baseband signal and mix it with a 1 GHz (or something)
> carrier wave to get a means of transferring your baseband signal in the
> microwave range. Every radio, mobile phone, TV or whatever has (at least)
> one.)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rainer
>
> Rainer Straschill
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>
>
>

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I know there are a few Max/MSP users on this list, hopefully some have
attained "guru" status :) To gurus and non-gurus alike I would ask -
have you solved the problem of making a buffer~ whose length is
determined by the first "tap" - i.e. I'd like the buffer~ to work in the
classic looping sense, not just be a sampling looper of predefined
length. All the looping apps I have seen so far in Max/MSP (jhno's
looper being the primary example) have pre-defined loop lengths. My
dream, and I'm sure that Max/MSP must be capable of this, is to
reproduce something like the Repeater in Max/MSP.

Another idea that occurs to me as I type this is to use some of the
"bridging" externals between Max and Supercollider or C-Sound - maybe
these languages are more suited to looper creation and the looping
module could be run inside of Max (Max taking care of the UI, midi
control etc...).

Finally has anyone tried this app out ?
http://www.dexterssandbox.com/sooperlooper/
(if only this were available for Max/MSP!)

Darcy

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&quot;guru&quot; status :) To gurus and non-gurus alike I would ask - =
have you solved the problem of making a buffer~ whose length is =
determined by the first &quot;tap&quot; - i.e. I'd like the buffer~ to =
work in the classic looping sense, not just be a sampling looper of =
predefined length. All the looping apps I have seen so far in Max/MSP =
(jhno's looper being the primary example) have pre-defined loop lengths. =
My dream, and I'm sure that Max/MSP must be capable of this, is to =
reproduce something like the Repeater in Max/MSP.</FONT></P>

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languages are more suited to looper creation and the looping module =
could be run inside of Max (Max taking care of the UI, midi control =
etc...).</FONT></P>

<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Finally has anyone =
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There was also the 3600

It had a delay time of 7.2 seconds or so (depending on the trimming of the 
clock)

It had a digital display for the time.
Pretty much your standard DDL controls for the day...delay ime and LFO
it has some CV ins I *THINK* these effect the LFO (as opposed to affecting 
the clock directly)



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Everyone,
Mike, Amy, and I will be doing a set over at the ZG on March 12th.  Mike
loops Wave Drum and electric guitar, Amy plays non-looping acoustic piano
and synth, and I loop acoustic guitar and assorted hand percussion.

We'll be starting promptly at 8:30pm and winding up around 9:30pm.  Hope to
see you there.  Details below.

Jeff


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That about sums it up, but I just wanted to add a
couple of things:

Regarding the hum, I don't hear a hum with mine. 
Soundwise I think it sounds great, but to be honest I
actually liked the sound of my older Digitech 3.6
Digital Delay System.  I guess I'm into grain.

The most important difference, at least when I was
looking into these units, is the options for
controlling it.  I can't remember off hand what the
differences were, but a quick comparison between the
manuals (the .pdf for the 8000 and the HTML here on LD
for the 7.6) will reveal the differences.  The 7.6 has
more looper-friendly options than the 8000.

Regards,
Rich



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Hi folks,

I have 2 loopers in my “rack “ rig right now. The Digitech RDS 8000 & Gibson
EDP


Now I have the EDP ft switch but I want to have a smaller alternate for
space reasons. Can anyone suggest switches for the record & overdub jacks…
I’m having problems with the switches I already have… Korg dual momentary
switch & a Roland latch switch.  As far the RDS 8000 goes I tried using the
same dual switch & when both the Bypass & Repeat hold were plugged in the
bypass side started not to work… Maybe I need to find the “time machine” ft
switch?  Help please

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Louis,

I ran into a similar situation trying to combine the
analog footswitch jacks on my FCB1010 with functions
on my 7.6. The two switches (which are latching) are
connected to the effect on/off and the delay bypass. 
I have a separate momentary connected to the
repeat/hold jack.  I had to swap the polarity on one
of the latching switches, which I did by building a
small adaptor (instead of cutting up a nice cable)
which just crossed the wires.  I always thought it was
the FCB1010, but perhaps it's the 7.6 with the
polarity issue.

Good luck!  Let us know what happens.

Regards,
Rich





--- Louis Rossi <tarbit@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> I have 2 loopers in my “rack “ rig right now. The
> Digitech RDS 8000 & Gibson
> EDP
> 
> 
> Now I have the EDP ft switch but I want to have a
> smaller alternate for
> space reasons. Can anyone suggest switches for the
> record & overdub jacks…
> I’m having problems with the switches I already
> have… Korg dual momentary
> switch & a Roland latch switch.  As far the RDS 8000
> goes I tried using the
> same dual switch & when both the Bypass & Repeat
> hold were plugged in the
> bypass side started not to work… Maybe I need to
> find the “time machine” ft
> switch?  Help please
> 

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Dear Loopers,


Loopstock 2003 will be held on Saturday, April 5th.  The venue will be 
Chumash Auditorium on the campus of California Polytechnic State 
University, San Luis Obispo, California U.S.A.  The festival will run 
from 11 a.m. until 11 p.m.

Last year's Loopstock was a huge success, and was the first ever 
gathering of it kind.  There were an estimated 40 to 50 loopers in 
attendance, and until Rick Walker's Y2K2 Loopfest last July, it was the 
largest gathering of Loopers ever under one roof.  They came from
Boston,
Philadelphia, Oregon, Brazil, and all over California.

Hopefully this year's Loopstock will be even bigger and better, and 
again provide an opportunity for the Looping community to get together 
face-to-face, share our music, and take Looping to the next level!


At this time, I would like to request that anyone interested in 
performing at this year's Loopstock please either e-mail a bio and a 
link to online music to:

hans@ernieball.com

or snail-mail a bio and CD to:

Hans Lindauer
549 Los Osos Valley Rd.
Los Osos, CA 93402

Please get these to me ASAP.  If you're going to use snail-mail, also 
send an e-mail heads-up so that I can look for your packet.  I reserve 
the right to keep any material sent to me, and to replicate one of your 
songs on CD for promotional purposes.

Please keep in mind that Loopstock is an all-volunteer event and free to 
the public, and as such you will need to cover your own meals, hotels, 
travel expenses, etc.  Please think of this as more of a convention
than a gig.


I expect that there will be more submissions than there will be 
performance slots available.  But that doesn't mean that everyone can't 
still participate.  There will be many opportunities to be a part of 
Loopstock, so please e-mail me if you wish to get involved.

If you know how and would be willing to design a flyer, build a web 
page, ask sponsors for money, write a press release, record video or 
audio, get T-shirts made, run a sound system, schlep gear, set up, tear 
down, or do any of the other one-hundred-and-one things that will make 
Loopstock special, please let me know!


Yours,

-Hans Lindauer

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i would dig it if you would share the ideas you have.
matt


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>
>
>btw ive tried the es 1 and its awful.. sampling/resampling is a clunky
>nightmare- its more of a "rythym" sampler than anything else. As for not
>being able to adjust start and end on eth zoom, thats ludicrous.  People 
>who
>told you that havent fully read the manual . You can adjust start/end to 
>the
>sample , and its quick and easy to do. Ive admitedly never tried eth 303, 
>but
>Im familiar with its specs and have had its precursor, the 202.    Bottom
>line, the Zoom is simply the best low budget sampler available. If you saw
>some of the things I can do with this machine your jaw would drop- I have a
>bank of waveforms in it , and treat it as a synthesizer. There are some 
>real
>secrets hidden in this machine- If anyones interested Ive been considering
>putting up a web page about it.  Say the word.


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You might get more responses on the max list, but:

Perhaps the simplest way to get started is to use tapin~ and tapout~=20
instead of buffer~. If you want to use buffer~, it's possible to set=20
up counters and peek~ objects to do it. Note that in order to feed a=20
tapout~ object's signal back into a tapin~, you need to add a send~=20
and receive~ in the feedback loop or it won't run, due to some=20
mysteries of the DSP graph.

Anyway, once you've done this you can vary the tapout~'s position at=20
will during performance.

Bridging Max and SC via OSC doesn't make sense on one computer,=20
because of the overhead of running two DSP schedulers on one machine,=20
and who knows what other competition for CPU the two apps would=20
suffer. Some people do mix and match them on networks, although I=20
don't myself see why.

-Alex S.


At 7:04 PM -0500 2/24/03, Clark, Darcy wrote:
>I know there are a few Max/MSP users on this list, hopefully some=20
>have attained "guru" status :) To gurus and non-gurus alike I would=20
>ask - have you solved the problem of making a buffer~ whose length=20
>is determined by the first "tap" - i.e. I'd like the buffer~ to work=20
>in the classic looping sense, not just be a sampling looper of=20
>predefined length. All the looping apps I have seen so far in=20
>Max/MSP (jhno's looper being the primary example) have pre-defined=20
>loop lengths. My dream, and I'm sure that Max/MSP must be capable of=20
>this, is to reproduce something like the Repeater in Max/MSP.
>
>Another idea that occurs to me as I type this is to use some of the=20
>"bridging" externals between Max and Supercollider or C-Sound -=20
>maybe these languages are more suited to looper creation and the=20
>looping module could be run inside of Max (Max taking care of the=20
>UI, midi control etc...).
>
>Finally has anyone tried this app out ?
><http://www.dexterssandbox.com/sooperlooper/>http://www.dexterssandbo=20
>x.com/sooperlooper/
>(if only this were available for Max/MSP!)
>
>Darcy

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You might get more responses on the max list, but:


Perhaps the simplest way to get started is to use tapin~ and tapout~
instead of buffer~. If you want to use buffer~, it's possible to set up
counters and peek~ objects to do it. Note that in order to feed a
tapout~ object's signal back into a tapin~, you need to add a send~ and
receive~ in the feedback loop or it won't run, due to some mysteries of
the DSP graph.


Anyway, once you've done this you can vary the tapout~'s position at
will during performance. =20


Bridging Max and SC via OSC doesn't make sense on one computer, because
of the overhead of running two DSP schedulers on one machine, and who
knows what other competition for CPU the two apps would suffer. Some
people do mix and match them on networks, although I don't myself see
why.


-Alex S.



At 7:04 PM -0500 2/24/03, Clark, Darcy wrote:

<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,FFFF</param=
>I
know there are a few Max/MSP users on this list, hopefully some have
attained "guru" status :) To gurus and non-gurus alike I would ask -
have you solved the problem of making a buffer~ whose length is
determined by the first "tap" - i.e. I'd like the buffer~ to work in
the classic looping sense, not just be a sampling looper of predefined
length. All the looping apps I have seen so far in Max/MSP (jhno's
looper being the primary example) have pre-defined loop lengths. My
dream, and I'm sure that Max/MSP must be capable of this, is to
reproduce something like the Repeater in Max/MSP.


Another idea that occurs to me as I type this is to use some of the
"bridging" externals between Max and Supercollider or C-Sound - maybe
these languages are more suited to looper creation and the looping
module could be run inside of Max (Max taking care of the UI, midi
control etc...).


=46inally has anyone tried this app out ?

</color><<http://www.dexterssandbox.com/sooperlooper/><color><param>0000,000=
0,FFFF</param>http://www.dexterssandbox.com/sooperlooper/

(if only this were available for Max/MSP!)


Darcy

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Rich--

Can you say where the 8000 pdf is available?  It's not on the Digitech 
site, as far as I can see.

I'd love to find a 7.6.  Almost got one on ebay this weekend but a 
shark snatched it in the last 20 seconds.  How do they do that?

David Myers

On Monday, February 24, 2003, at 06:40 PM, Rich R. wrote:

> That about sums it up, but I just wanted to add a
> couple of things:
>
> Regarding the hum, I don't hear a hum with mine.
> Soundwise I think it sounds great, but to be honest I
> actually liked the sound of my older Digitech 3.6
> Digital Delay System.  I guess I'm into grain.
>
> The most important difference, at least when I was
> looking into these units, is the options for
> controlling it.  I can't remember off hand what the
> differences were, but a quick comparison between the
> manuals (the .pdf for the 8000 and the HTML here on LD
> for the 7.6) will reveal the differences.  The 7.6 has
> more looper-friendly options than the 8000.
>
> Regards,
> Rich
>
>
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--- James Winger <jdwinger@hotmail.com> wrote:

> There was also the 3600
> 
> It had a delay time of 7.2 seconds or so (depending on the trimming of the 
> clock)
> 
> It had a digital display for the time.
> Pretty much your standard DDL controls for the day...delay ime and LFO
> it has some CV ins I *THINK* these effect the LFO (as opposed to affecting 
> the clock directly)

I had one of those back in the mid-80s sometime. It was a good machine, and I
enjoyed playing stuff into it, and locking it into the delay and playing over it.
It was a lot of fun.

Too bad I still didn't "get" the potential that looping had, even after having a
cool tool like that...

Greg

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--- todd reynolds <toddreynolds@rcn.com> wrote:
> not really, cuz we don't put 'em in the monitors... it actually gives a nice
> blanket for the whole band...

Make's sense, since the off-axis response isn't real weird on those.

> oh, and I see my last one was unclear... either the 184's above each
> instrument or the two 4060's as a stereo pair in front... that's what I
> meant...

Sounds like a good arrangement to me.

Greg

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I'll send you the bio soon. In the meantime, here is a link to online music
(now better represented on a CD).

http://www.baymoon.com/~mark_hamburg

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Hi,

I'll be doing an event next Sunday night in which two of my favorite 
improvisors (Neil Leonard, sax, and Katt Hernandez violin) will 
improvise to my video tapes in an intimate space. (Food and drink 
available for sale). Time is roughly 7:30 to 9:30 PM.

About River Gods:
Tucked in just off the old main drag of Mass Ave. in Central Square, 
Cambridge, River Gods has re-invented an American favorite; the 
neighborhood bar.  Less than a year old, this family run business 
caters to the desires of creative locals, providing affordable, 
eclectic eats and a vibrant music scene.  Wash down morsels of sound 
with a creamy pint or a PBR amidst an array of regal-meets-pagan 
dιcor.  Ever cordial hosts to nights such as Tuesday's "Eavesdrop", 
weekly listening parties and Monday's "Weekly Wax; Dinner, Drinks and 
Beat-Downs," River Gods invites you to their newest creation, "Lumen 
Eclipse."  River Gods is located at 125 River St., Cambridge, MA 
02139.  (617) 576-1881.

All events are 21+ with proper id

For more information:
Contact
Rory Keohane
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-- 
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Sorry about that. I thought I'd re-edited the header to send it to Hans.
Must be time to go to sleep.

Mark

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  Hey Stu, today it came to my mind that there is an experimental club in
"la banlieu"  Of Paris, in Montreil called instants chavirιs, I dont have
any info just right now but try a Web research, I think they΄ll be
interested in the paris loop festival.


  Back to PaRIS NEXT FRIDAY


  Andy in Mexico City

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  sorry that was meant for Staurt wyatt only.



At 11:03 p.m. 24/02/03 -0600, you wrote:
>
>
>  Hey Stu, today it came to my mind that there is an experimental club in
>"la banlieu"  Of Paris, in Montreil called instants chavirιs, I dont have
>any info just right now but try a Web research, I think they΄ll be
>interested in the paris loop festival.
>
>
>  Back to PaRIS NEXT FRIDAY
>
>
>  Andy in Mexico City
>
>

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hello friends--

Hope everyone's basement studios, etc. made it through the wet weather.

I'll be slinging some post-film music on Wednesday at Out of the Blue in
Central Square, Cambridge--

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The Out of the Blue Film Festival-- chapter 2

Wenesday, Feb.26th at 8pm
Out of the Blue Art Gallery
106 Prospect St. in Central Square, Cambridge
(across the street from Bread & Circus &
a 2 minute walk from the Central SQ. Red Line stop)


Out of the Blue Film Festival, chapter 2

A great line up of short films this month!
This chapter includes mostly Local Films:

Moonhead - A hilarious look at the lighter side of
male pattern baldness.

Johnny Football Zero - An outrageous animated
highschool date.

Advice and Dissent - Local drama with big name talent:
Rebecca Pidgeon, John Pankow & Eli Wallach

Rooster Tales - Wild surrealistic animation in 12
parts.

Lucy & Ricky - Intense and very short, recently shown
at Sundance. (from LA)

Uncle Dad - Hysterical spoof on the sitcom industry.

So come on down!  There is a suggested donation of $5.
Admission includes food!  Also the Out of the Blue
Film Fest is BYOB, so B it.  ALSO THERE WILL BE LIVE
MUSIC WITH GHOST 7 AFTER THE SCREENINGS!!!!!!!!

For questions or film entries for the next chapter,
please email That's My Cousin Productions <fishandchips@thatsmycousin.com>

THANKS FOR YOUR SUPPORT!!
Our Sponsors are: The Middle East, Toscanini's, The
Out of the Blue Art Gallery, David & Margot Wizansky,
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<H2>The Out of the Blue Film Festival-- chapter 2<BR>
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Wenesday, Feb.26th at 8pm<BR>
Out of the Blue Art Gallery<BR>
106 Prospect St. in Central Square, Cambridge <BR>
</B>(across the street from Bread &amp; Circus &amp; <BR>
a 2 minute walk from the Central SQ. Red Line stop)<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Out of the Blue Film Festival, chapter 2<BR>
<BR>
A great line up of short films this month!<BR>
This chapter includes mostly Local Films:<BR>
<BR>
Moonhead - A hilarious look at the lighter side of<BR>
male pattern baldness.<BR>
<BR>
Johnny Football Zero - An outrageous animated<BR>
highschool date.<BR>
<BR>
Advice and Dissent - Local drama with big name talent:<BR>
Rebecca Pidgeon, John Pankow &amp; Eli Wallach<BR>
<BR>
Rooster Tales - Wild surrealistic animation in 12<BR>
parts.<BR>
<BR>
Lucy &amp; Ricky - Intense and very short, recently shown<BR>
at Sundance. (from LA)<BR>
<BR>
Uncle Dad - Hysterical spoof on the sitcom industry.<BR>
<BR>
So come on down! &nbsp;There is a suggested donation of $5.<BR>
Admission includes food! &nbsp;Also the Out of the Blue<BR>
Film Fest is BYOB, so B it. &nbsp;ALSO THERE WILL BE LIVE<BR>
MUSIC WITH GHOST 7 AFTER THE SCREENINGS!!!!!!!!<BR>
<BR>
For questions or film entries for the next chapter,<BR>
please email <FONT FACE=3D"Geneva">That's My Cousin Productions &lt;fishandch=
ips@thatsmycousin.com&gt;<BR>
</FONT><BR>
THANKS FOR YOUR SUPPORT!!<BR>
Our Sponsors are: The Middle East, Toscanini's, The<BR>
Out of the Blue Art Gallery, David &amp; Margot Wizansky,<BR>
The FilmShack and Film Services Inc. <BR>
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so where the hell was all this demand and discussion when i was trying to sell 
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David,

It *is* at the Digitech site, but it's under "Time
Machine," which may be a little misleading:

ftp://ftp.digitech.com/pub/PDFs/Discontinued%20Products/Manuals/TimeMachine.pdf

A sniper got you!  It's kind of the way the game is
played on Ebay.  I'll watch an auction I'm really
interested in winning right up until the end. 
Refresh-Refresh-Refresh-Refresh-Refresh- you know,
like that.

Regards,
Rich


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> Rich--
> 
> Can you say where the 8000 pdf is available?  It's
> not on the Digitech 
> site, as far as I can see.
> 
> I'd love to find a 7.6.  Almost got one on ebay this
> weekend but a 
> shark snatched it in the last 20 seconds.  How do
> they do that?
> 
> David Myers
> 
> On Monday, February 24, 2003, at 06:40 PM, Rich R.
> wrote:
> 
> > That about sums it up, but I just wanted to add a
> > couple of things:
> >
> > Regarding the hum, I don't hear a hum with mine.
> > Soundwise I think it sounds great, but to be
> honest I
> > actually liked the sound of my older Digitech 3.6
> > Digital Delay System.  I guess I'm into grain.
> >
> > The most important difference, at least when I was
> > looking into these units, is the options for
> > controlling it.  I can't remember off hand what
> the
> > differences were, but a quick comparison between
> the
> > manuals (the .pdf for the 8000 and the HTML here
> on LD
> > for the 7.6) will reveal the differences.  The 7.6
> has
> > more looper-friendly options than the 8000.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rich
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
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> >
> 


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Thanks for the URL Rich.  Re ebay snipers--yeah, I was refreshing like  
crazy, but still, 20 seconds to go and this vulture still managed to  
get me.  Guess I'm not in the pro league yet...

DLM

On Tuesday, February 25, 2003, at 11:54 AM, Rich R. wrote:

> David,
>
> It *is* at the Digitech site, but it's under "Time
> Machine," which may be a little misleading:
>
> ftp://ftp.digitech.com/pub/PDFs/Discontinued%20Products/Manuals/ 
> TimeMachine.pdf
>
> A sniper got you!  It's kind of the way the game is
> played on Ebay.  I'll watch an auction I'm really
> interested in winning right up until the end.
> Refresh-Refresh-Refresh-Refresh-Refresh- you know,
> like that.
>
> Regards,
> Rich

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I actually saw some software that would snipe for you. It'd be hard to beat
someone using something like that.

Greg


--- David Myers <dmgraph@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Thanks for the URL Rich.  Re ebay snipers--yeah, I was refreshing like  
> crazy, but still, 20 seconds to go and this vulture still managed to  
> get me.  Guess I'm not in the pro league yet...
> 
> DLM
> 
> On Tuesday, February 25, 2003, at 11:54 AM, Rich R. wrote:
> 
> > David,
> >
> > It *is* at the Digitech site, but it's under "Time
> > Machine," which may be a little misleading:
> >
> > ftp://ftp.digitech.com/pub/PDFs/Discontinued%20Products/Manuals/ 
> > TimeMachine.pdf
> >
> > A sniper got you!  It's kind of the way the game is
> > played on Ebay.  I'll watch an auction I'm really
> > interested in winning right up until the end.
> > Refresh-Refresh-Refresh-Refresh-Refresh- you know,
> > like that.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rich
> 


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>> Guess I'm not in the pro league yet...

http://www.auctionsniper.com/

"Leave the refreshing to the competition" ... sounds like a bad commercial,
but this handy little utility site can help!

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a friend has found this technique useful:
open two browser windows, setup a bid ready to go in one, and then
refresh the other like crazy. if outbid, fire off the bid from the other
window. voila! you've become a sniper too! ;-)
bruce

On Tuesday, February 25, 2003, at 12:17 PM, David Myers wrote:

> Thanks for the URL Rich.  Re ebay snipers--yeah, I was refreshing like  
> crazy, but still, 20 seconds to go and this vulture still managed to  
> get me.  Guess I'm not in the pro league yet...
>
> DLM
>
> On Tuesday, February 25, 2003, at 11:54 AM, Rich R. wrote:
>
>> David,
>>
>> It *is* at the Digitech site, but it's under "Time
>> Machine," which may be a little misleading:
>>
>> ftp://ftp.digitech.com/pub/PDFs/Discontinued%20Products/Manuals/ 
>> TimeMachine.pdf
>>
>> A sniper got you!  It's kind of the way the game is
>> played on Ebay.  I'll watch an auction I'm really
>> interested in winning right up until the end.
>> Refresh-Refresh-Refresh-Refresh-Refresh- you know,
>> like that.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rich
>
>

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Or you could just figure out how much you are willing to pay and set your
limit based on that. Yeah, I know. If someone beats you by $10, you start to
decide "well, maybe I could have gone a little higher".

Can someone tell me what the expected benefits of last minute bidding are?

Mark

on 2/25/03 9:24 AM, doug @ jump/cut at looper@jumpcut.net wrote:

>>> Guess I'm not in the pro league yet...
> 
> http://www.auctionsniper.com/
> 
> "Leave the refreshing to the competition" ... sounds like a bad commercial,
> but this handy little utility site can help!
> 
> 

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--- Mark Hamburg <mark_hamburg@baymoon.com> wrote:
> Or you could just figure out how much you are willing to pay and set your
> limit based on that. 

What? That would make the entire auction thing unprofitable!

> Can someone tell me what the expected benefits of last minute bidding are?

Presumably the benefit of last minute bidding is that you get the item for the
least possible price, since you don't bid it up ahead of time and there are
probably less bidders actually in the fray at the last minute.

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eBay will bid you up to your limit gradually anyway. If really concerned,
you could place a bid with a limit 15 minutes before the auction closes.

Mark

on 2/25/03 9:46 AM, Greg House at ghunicycle@yahoo.com wrote:

> --- Mark Hamburg <mark_hamburg@baymoon.com> wrote:
>> Or you could just figure out how much you are willing to pay and set your
>> limit based on that.
> 
> What? That would make the entire auction thing unprofitable!
> 
>> Can someone tell me what the expected benefits of last minute bidding are?
> 
> Presumably the benefit of last minute bidding is that you get the item for the
> least possible price, since you don't bid it up ahead of time and there are
> probably less bidders actually in the fray at the last minute.

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But bidding 10 seconds before the auction closes gives
little chance for somebody else to notice your bid and
attempt to outbid you so you usually get the item for
much less than you would have if you had bid 15
minutes, hours, or days before.

So if my max bid was $50 and the auction is at $10 by
bidding 10 seconds before end of auction will give any
other bidders less chance to raise the price from $10
- $50 causing me to only spend $10 :)

Early bidding just raises the price (via impulse bids)
which is good for the seller but not for the bidder.





--- Mark Hamburg <mark_hamburg@baymoon.com> wrote:
> eBay will bid you up to your limit gradually anyway.
> If really concerned,
> you could place a bid with a limit 15 minutes before
> the auction closes.
> 
> Mark
> 
> on 2/25/03 9:46 AM, Greg House at
> ghunicycle@yahoo.com wrote:
> 
> > --- Mark Hamburg <mark_hamburg@baymoon.com> wrote:
> >> Or you could just figure out how much you are
> willing to pay and set your
> >> limit based on that.
> > 
> > What? That would make the entire auction thing
> unprofitable!
> > 
> >> Can someone tell me what the expected benefits of
> last minute bidding are?
> > 
> > Presumably the benefit of last minute bidding is
> that you get the item for the
> > least possible price, since you don't bid it up
> ahead of time and there are
> > probably less bidders actually in the fray at the
> last minute.
> 


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i use this all the time...it's a great way to spend more than you had
planned, which is the beauty of ebay (read: competition).  fwiw: i read some
time ago that ebay is frequented most by middle-aged white males.

> a friend has found this technique useful:
> open two browser windows, setup a bid ready to go in one, and then
> refresh the other like crazy. if outbid, fire off the bid from the other
> window. voila! you've become a sniper too! ;-)
> bruce



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I disagree with the idea that sniping changes the end price.

You are assuming that you are only bidding against snipers.
If I bid my max early, the proxy will, in essence, snipe in zero time to my 
set limit.

The illusion is that the bid price any time before close reflects something, 
it doesn't.

I tend to find sniping raises prices, because of impulse bidding...a sniper 
isn't sticking to his/her "pain threshold".

Sniping is simply a time compression of the same bidding process (I'll deal 
in 10 seconds, not 10 days) and assumes that a competing bidder needs to 
make a counter-move.

If the competing bidder uses a proxy system correctly, there is no need for 
a counter-move.

sniping only works against snipers



But bidding 10 seconds before the auction closes gives
little chance for somebody else to notice your bid and
attempt to outbid you so you usually get the item for
much less than you would have if you had bid 15
minutes, hours, or days before.

So if my max bid was $50 and the auction is at $10 by
bidding 10 seconds before end of auction will give any
other bidders less chance to raise the price from $10
- $50 causing me to only spend $10 :)

Early bidding just raises the price (via impulse bids)
which is good for the seller but not for the bidder.





--- Mark Hamburg <mark_hamburg@baymoon.com> wrote:
 > eBay will bid you up to your limit gradually anyway.
 > If really concerned,
 > you could place a bid with a limit 15 minutes before
 > the auction closes.
 >
 > Mark
 >
 > on 2/25/03 9:46 AM, Greg House at
 > ghunicycle@yahoo.com wrote:
 >
 > > --- Mark Hamburg <mark_hamburg@baymoon.com> wrote:
 > >> Or you could just figure out how much you are
 > willing to pay and set your
 > >> limit based on that.
 > >
 > > What? That would make the entire auction thing
 > unprofitable!
 > >
 > >> Can someone tell me what the expected benefits of
 > last minute bidding are?
 > >
 > > Presumably the benefit of last minute bidding is
 > that you get the item for the
 > > least possible price, since you don't bid it up
 > ahead of time and there are
 > > probably less bidders actually in the fray at the
 > last minute.
 >


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another thing worth noting is that paying attention to when your auction
closes is worthwhile.

My favorite is 9pm Eastern Sunday night. Folks have had all weekend to
notice your auction, and its a reasonable time for both coasts to be online.
And its fun to watch the sniping!

For those of you that haven't gotten mileage out of Ebay yet, is a great
place to buy and dispose of looper tech.  I have bought a Jamman, sold it
and another aquired locally,  bought an EDP  and a DL4, and sold my Repeater
via Ebay.  Yay for Ebay!

I have come to think of Ebay as sort of a 'library', where I know I can more
or less get my money back after I realize I don't need something any more.

Bob Campbell




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"Mark Hamburg" <mark_hamburg@baymoon.com> asked:
>
> Can someone tell me what the expected benefits of last minute bidding are?

I would put forth that last-minute bidding is primarily a means of
attempting to be the last bidder altogether.  Whether this is done just for
the acquisition of said item could be up for debate.  Some folks out there
might so desperately need to "conquer" or "win" that they might do this, not
only with manic precision (or auctionsniper!) but with bids well over and
above the previous bid.  Perhaps these same folks think of this as a slam
dunk, though the rest of us might well think they've just thrown money away
(or just paid for the emotional/ego boost, I suppose).

Of course there's the money-laundering crowd, who are known to use eBay to
an extent...!


>
> Mark
>
> on 2/25/03 9:24 AM, doug @ jump/cut at looper@jumpcut.net wrote:
>
> >>> Guess I'm not in the pro league yet...
> >
> > http://www.auctionsniper.com/
> >
> > "Leave the refreshing to the competition" ... sounds like a bad
commercial,
> > but this handy little utility site can help!
> >
> >
>
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My good friend Greg House writes:

"The C1000 has a weak bass response that I think would make it a poor choice
for
low frequency instruments. "


I have to counter with the fact that it made my Liquid Glass Ghatam
and low frame drums and djembe sound excellent in the low end.   What I
loved was that I seemed to get accurate reproduction of those low pitches
without a lot
of bass rumble which is typical of a lot of mics.

My advice is to try one on one's favorite percussion instruments before
buying

yours, Rick Walker


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Usually when I really want something (like my last PMC-10) I bid as much as
I can afford (in that particular instance not that much--less than $200 as I
recall) fairly early in the bidding and hope for the best.  However, I have
been the victim of several last minute losses to a "slam dunk" bidder . . .
ah well, that's what capitalism is all about.
Gary
PS  Almost ready to try the new setup--doubleneck Ztar into PMC-10 into MPX
G2 into twin EDPs--lights flash, bells ring--
G


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Hi, I would attend.  

I am also aware of a band that would be totally appropriate 
to this festival.  I would recommend getting in touch with 
them -- Mikroknytes -- via their self-addressed website.

> Hi folks.  I've been considering putting together a Looping/ Avant
> music festival in the Northern VA/DC area and I'm trying to get an
> idea of how many people are in the aforementioned area might be
> interested in attending.  So.... who's out there?

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>Hi, I would attend.
>
>I am also aware of a band that would be totally appropriate
>to this festival.  I would recommend getting in touch with
>them -- Mikroknytes -- via their self-addressed website.

I saw this band play at DC's Sonic Circuits festival last year - I remember 
enjoying their act in particular - made sitting in that hot, stuffy loft (it 
was August and there was no air-conditioning) worth it.

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Hey Jeff---

Depending on when it is, I'd be interested in playing. I'm up in Boston, so
it's not too far.


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on 2/22/03 10:37 AM, The Tuned Univerese - Webmaster at
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Hi folks.  I've been considering putting together a Looping/ Avant music
festival in the Northern VA/DC area and I'm trying to get an idea of how
many people are in the aforementioned area might be interested in attending.
So.... who's out there?
 
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This is on topic. Really.

I've got a Korg DL8000R that I mostly use as an echo but there are times
when I turn that echo into a loop. I'm using two control pedals with it
right now. One controls feedback and seems to require something like the
Yamaha expression pedal (the Roland/Boss EV-5 doesn't work). Presumably the
Korg pedals also work but I don't have one readily available. I also have a
switch for activating the hold function.

What I'd like is a control pedal with a toe-switch so that I could press
down to 100%, hit the toe-switch to go into hold, hit the toe-switch again
to come out of hold, and then ease the feedback off.  So, the pedal would
need to deliver both a control "signal" and a switch "signal". (Quotes since
I know the pedal doesn't actually put out any signal.) Any suggestions?

Thanks.
Mark

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I use automatic bidding software. I enter my max on which auction into the 
software. If the price doesn't go over my max, the software will bid for me 
in the last (selectable)10/5 seconds. This is the only bid made in my 
behalf.
I am very happy with my purchases. Things are a lot more iffy if other 
bidders are using similar software. Then the prices are time limited from 
going higher. (a shootout of fast guns) Auto bidding = lower prices. The 
markets I watch are Z3-cars and 8000-2000 yr old jade.




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yea, the ebay thing. my advice, if there is something that  you
really want, i would recommend just putting in the price that you'd
be willing to pay. that's what i do, b/c i don't have access to a computer
all the time, and don't really feel like sitting at a computer 
waiting to see what something goes to. that way, if i get it, i get 
it. if i don't, i figure someone wanted it bad enough. and i don't 
hem and haw over it.
it's funny, i've gotten a lot of gear off ebay and a lot of it i was 
the only one to bid on, like when i got my dod d12, and recently just 
bought a
keyboard for 30$ b/c i wanted to experiment w/ keyboard stuff, etc. 
(and i needed better drum options for some recording....).
s---
ps-always laughed at the guitar player articles a year ago or so 
(when i used to
get it) about the guy from hellcasters who wrote brief bits on his 
ebay purchases, usually older guitar purchases.
pps-guess i'll have to learn some keyboard to do keyboard loops for 
the future...



>Thanks for the URL Rich.  Re ebay snipers--yeah, I was refreshing 
>like  crazy, but still, 20 seconds to go and this vulture still 
>managed to  get me.  Guess I'm not in the pro league yet...
>
>DLM
>
>On Tuesday, February 25, 2003, at 11:54 AM, Rich R. wrote:
>
>>David,
>>
>>It *is* at the Digitech site, but it's under "Time
>>Machine," which may be a little misleading:
>>
>>ftp://ftp.digitech.com/pub/PDFs/Discontinued%20Products/Manuals/ 
>>TimeMachine.pdf
>>
>>A sniper got you!  It's kind of the way the game is
>>played on Ebay.  I'll watch an auction I'm really
>>interested in winning right up until the end.
>>Refresh-Refresh-Refresh-Refresh-Refresh- you know,
>>like that.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Rich


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I'd be into submitting material for an audition...if I could find a Digitech PMC 10. Where are they??? I'm a solo loop artist, which means, I suppose, that I'm in good company. But my feet want to get busy. How's the Rocktron All Access, besides expensive?

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--- Mark Hamburg <mark_hamburg@baymoon.com> wrote:

> What I'd like is a control pedal with a toe-switch so that I could press
> down to 100%, hit the toe-switch to go into hold, hit the toe-switch again
> to come out of hold, and then ease the feedback off.  So, the pedal would
> need to deliver both a control "signal" and a switch "signal". (Quotes since
> I know the pedal doesn't actually put out any signal.) Any suggestions?

I haven't seen anything exactly like that, except the Yamaha FC-7, which just
limits part of it's upper range with a spring and then certain yamaha processors
will use the upper range of the cc as a signal to perform the alternate action
(like the DG Stomp turning the wah on and off when the FC7 is pressed toe down).

What you might be able to do would be to get a wah pedal (with the toe switch,
like a Crybaby or Vox) and rewire it inside so that the jacks would give you the
output of a linear pot (for your expression pedal function) and a seperate output
for the switch (for your delay hold function). That way you'd get both in one
nice sturdy package.

Greg

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--- Denis Aldrich <joy_top@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I use automatic bidding software. I enter my max on which auction into the 
> software. If the price doesn't go over my max, the software will bid for me 
> in the last (selectable)10/5 seconds. This is the only bid made in my 
> behalf.

Maybe I'm just stupid, but how is this any different then just using ebay's
built-in max-bid option? If you put a max greater then your bid, it will
automatically up your bid when someone outbids you.

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--- Michael LaMeyer <m.lameyer@verizon.net> wrote:
> The difference is in timing.  If there's 7 days left in the auction, and one
> person outbids you, the price could inflate much faster and farther than if
> this same exchange occured in the final 5 or 10 seconds of the auction.

Maybe...

So you go in and put in your max bid 5 minutes before the end of the auction,
it's it basically the same?

I'm not trying to be argumentative, I just don't understand how it'd really work
any better. Is the idea that you're doing it so close to the end that nobody else
has a chance to outbid you? If so, what about the person that DID enter a larger
"max bid" and the Ebay system automatically outbids you?

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The difference is in timing.  If there's 7 days left in the auction, and one
person outbids you, the price could inflate much faster and farther than if
this same exchange occured in the final 5 or 10 seconds of the auction.

Mike

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>
> --- Denis Aldrich <joy_top@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I use automatic bidding software. I enter my max on which
> auction into the
> > software. If the price doesn't go over my max, the software
> will bid for me
> > in the last (selectable)10/5 seconds. This is the only bid
> made in my
> > behalf.
>
> Maybe I'm just stupid, but how is this any different then
> just using ebay's
> built-in max-bid option? If you put a max greater then your
> bid, it will
> automatically up your bid when someone outbids you.
>
> Greg
>
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Yes, but if you have not 7 days but 7 minutes remaining, wouldn't the 
ebay auto bidding do the same job?

David Lee Myers

On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 11:40 AM, Michael LaMeyer wrote:

> The difference is in timing.  If there's 7 days left in the auction, 
> and one
> person outbids you, the price could inflate much faster and farther 
> than if
> this same exchange occured in the final 5 or 10 seconds of the auction.
>
> Mike
>
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>> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 11:31 AM
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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>>
>>
>> --- Denis Aldrich <joy_top@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I use automatic bidding software. I enter my max on which
>> auction into the
>>> software. If the price doesn't go over my max, the software
>> will bid for me
>>> in the last (selectable)10/5 seconds. This is the only bid
>> made in my
>>> behalf.
>>
>> Maybe I'm just stupid, but how is this any different then
>> just using ebay's
>> built-in max-bid option? If you put a max greater then your
>> bid, it will
>> automatically up your bid when someone outbids you.
>>
>> Greg
>>
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--- Greg House <ghunicycle@yahoo.com> wrote:
> What you might be able to do would be to get a wah
> pedal (with the toe switch,
> like a Crybaby or Vox) and rewire it... 

This has got me in inventor mode: I could think of
several uses for such a pedal with a *heel* switch. I
often do the 'two-step' from the looper to the volume
pedal; open the loop and then attempt to quickly fade
in a note. A volume pedal with a heel switch to
open/close the loop would be useful!

I actually just replaced my volume pedal last week
with a (ahem) MISTER CryBaby combo vol/wah. I was
running out of real estate on my pedalboard, really
missed the CryBaby I'd gotten rid of when I added the
Whammy pedal, and figured this would kill two birds
with one stone. It's working out well so far...

-t-

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Not 5 minutes, 5 to 10 seconds.

Could you actually see the same kind of inflation in 5 minutes that could
happen over 7 days?  Yes.  It really all depends on the max bids involved,
demand, etc.  BUT, as a generalization, when there's 5 days left in an
auction, or even 5 minutes left, there's more time for consideration and
response, imho, than 5 seconds.  Consider the following scenario:

5 days before the auction ends, all on the same day, 3 bidders place their
absolute maximum bids.  What should happen is that the proxy bidding process
will increment the bids until only one of those three is the last bid (i.e.
the other two bids' maximums are not as high).  So here we are, 5 days left
on the auction, and the price is at 1 person's absolute maximum bid.  Fine.
If it so happens that any of the other two bidders actually DIDN'T put their
absolute maximum bid in, they may bid higher later on in the auction, or
over the 5 days, some other individuals bid, bringing the price higher.

Same deal, but their's 5 seconds left in the auction.  3 bidders place their
absolute maximum bid, the proxy bidding process fights it out, 1 person
wins.  There's no chance for further inflation.

This isn't some kind of statistical analysis, it's a matter of odds, and
subjective to me.  Is it possible that all kinds of scenarios play out in
ebay land?  Certainly, and highly likely.  But it seems to me that the more
bidding (and automated proxy bidding) that occurs earlier in the process,
the more likely that the price will be higher in the end.  IMHO.

Mike

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>
>
>
> --- Michael LaMeyer <m.lameyer@verizon.net> wrote:
> > The difference is in timing.  If there's 7 days left in the
> auction, and one
> > person outbids you, the price could inflate much faster and
> farther than if
> > this same exchange occured in the final 5 or 10 seconds of
> the auction.
>
> Maybe...
>
> So you go in and put in your max bid 5 minutes before the end
> of the auction,
> it's it basically the same?
>
> I'm not trying to be argumentative, I just don't understand
> how it'd really work
> any better. Is the idea that you're doing it so close to the
> end that nobody else
> has a chance to outbid you? If so, what about the person that
> DID enter a larger
> "max bid" and the Ebay system automatically outbids you?
>
> Greg
>
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--- Tim Nelson <psychle62@yahoo.com> wrote:

> This has got me in inventor mode: I could think of
> several uses for such a pedal with a *heel* switch. I
> often do the 'two-step' from the looper to the volume
> pedal; open the loop and then attempt to quickly fade
> in a note. A volume pedal with a heel switch to
> open/close the loop would be useful!

How about taking what I described, but reversing the connections to the pot? Then
when you're in toe down position, the volume is off, and as you roll the pedal
back, you get your fade-in.

I forgot to mention in the previous post that you might have to replace the on
off switch with a momentary contact switch, depending on how his repeat-hold
function works.

> I actually just replaced my volume pedal last week
> with a (ahem) MISTER CryBaby combo vol/wah. 

That's MISTER, to YOU.

Greg

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>Not 5 minutes, 5 to 10 seconds.


and what about in the final moment of the cutoff, lets say  2 proxy bidders
jump in at the very last second with higher maximums, entirely possible.
Does the timer cut off the automatic  proxy bidding system  at the official
deadline or does it let the system run to completion if both bidders got in
before the deadline?

Mike Berman
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At 9:04 AM -0800 2/26/03, Tim Nelson wrote:

>This has got me in inventor mode: I could think of
>several uses for such a pedal with a *heel* switch.

While we're in invention mode, here's a pedal I've been wanting for years:

A continuous controller pedal that has a spring-loaded 
return-to-center action, similar to the pitch wheel on a keyboard 
controller. This would be suitable for "whammy pedal" functions to 
control the pitch parameter on a Harmonizer.
-- 

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Your scenario is based on the theory that people enter their absolute
maximum bid but it isn't really their absolute maximum bid. If you really
enter your absolute maximum and don't change your mind, then either you get
it or someone pays more than you were willing to pay and it doesn't matter
when you entered your bid.

Counter arguments:

1. People don't always use the automatic bidding support and hence waiting
until the last moment is still a good idea because you will be less likely
to actually be competing against their real bids. (Short form: Other people
aren't smart enough to use the tools available to them.)

2. The bidding process itself changes people's perceptions of the value.
What might have been a maximum bid ceases to be when the price drifts up.
So, waiting until the last moment allows one to avoid encouraging others to
bid higher and also avoids letting oneself be swayed. Or it provides the
maximum time for oneself to be swayed. On the other hand, with the exception
of very impetuous people, this psychological effect should be mostly gone if
you just place your maximum bid in the last few minutes rather than the last
few seconds.

3. You may see multiple items available but not want to be actively bidding
on all of them at once. Again, all that matters is bidding reasonably close
to the end of the auction.

My take on it would be, that you should figure out your maximum bid and
place that bid as late as possible without obsessing over coming in right at
the wire. Yes, you may lose out to snipers, but you can reassure yourself by
remembering that various studies have shown that the winning bidder in an
auction frequently overpays.

Mark

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--- Greg House <ghunicycle@yahoo.com> wrote:
> How about taking what I described, but reversing the
> connections to the pot?

Back in the late 70's/early 80's I had a Foxx
wah/volume that was factory miswired so the wah pot
worked correctly, but the volume was backwards like
you describe. I found it very counter-intuitive, and
eventually gave it to one of my guitar students. I
used to use it in a bass setup where my signal was
split to two amps; one clean and the other (which the
volume pedal controlled) through a *nasty* pedalboard.
:-)

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> and what about in the final moment of the cutoff, lets say  2 proxy
bidders
> jump in at the very last second with higher maximums, entirely possible.
> Does the timer cut off the automatic  proxy bidding system  at the
official
> deadline or does it let the system run to completion if both bidders got
in
> before the deadline?

DISCLAIMER: I didn't write the automatic proxy bidding code, so I don't know
for certain...

However, I'm 99% certain that it is really not an iterative process when two
or more auto proxy bids "compete."   Ebay explains the auto proxy bidder as
if it were a real auction with the auto bidding going back and forth, but I
find it highly doubtful that it truly functions that way.

Say that Ebay has several auto proxy bids  that it needs to resolve.  It
computes the maximum each proxy bid offers, then it takes the *second*
highest value and permits the highest bidder to out bid it by one step.

It's simpler to write and it maximizes the sale price (since the auto proxy
bidding never "runs out of time"), both in the best interest of Ebay.

Dennis Leas
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Thank God for sniping, or else I'd've had to explain to my wife why I needed that Mesa pre-amp. I hadn't heard of it until Mr. or Mrs. Snipe saved my ars.

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You are forgeting about one issue no matter how you might try to be the
last bidder it still may fail due to network and web application (eBay
web interface) latency, so it still ends up being very random as to
predictability of timing. Your network path to eBay could be swamped due
to any number of issues including a DNS update to a router.

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> and what about in the final moment of the cutoff, lets say  2 proxy
bidders
> jump in at the very last second with higher maximums, entirely 
> possible. Does the timer cut off the automatic  proxy bidding system  
> at the
official
> deadline or does it let the system run to completion if both bidders 
> got
in
> before the deadline?

DISCLAIMER: I didn't write the automatic proxy bidding code, so I don't
know for certain...

However, I'm 99% certain that it is really not an iterative process when
two
or more auto proxy bids "compete."   Ebay explains the auto proxy bidder
as
if it were a real auction with the auto bidding going back and forth,
but I find it highly doubtful that it truly functions that way.

Say that Ebay has several auto proxy bids  that it needs to resolve.  It
computes the maximum each proxy bid offers, then it takes the *second*
highest value and permits the highest bidder to out bid it by one step.

It's simpler to write and it maximizes the sale price (since the auto
proxy bidding never "runs out of time"), both in the best interest of
Ebay.

Dennis Leas
-------------------
dennis@mail.worldserver.com


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> You are forgeting about one issue no matter how you might try to be the
> last bidder it still may fail due to network and web application (eBay
> web interface) latency, so it still ends up being very random as to
> predictability of timing. Your network path to eBay could be swamped due
> to any number of issues including a DNS update to a router.

Yes, network latency is significant and needs to be considered.  However, I
was referring to ebay's own auto proxy bidding, which I presume runs on the
their server so latency is insignificant in that case.

Third party autobidding software definitely has to contend with
unpredictable Internet latencies.

Dennis Leas
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> > This has got me in inventor mode: I could think of
> > several uses for such a pedal with a *heel* switch. I

Matthias uses a pedal controller which he built himself, and it includes a
pedal for EDP feedback control, with a little toe switch (for overdub, I
think?) which is actuated by moving his big toe to the left to hit the
switch.  This way the heel and toes can be used to move the pedal up and
down without hitting a switch by mistake.

Matthias - am I close here?
Jon

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For those of you who give and or take lessons...

How much do you charge or pay?

How long is your usual lesson?

So again, if I may, how long are your lessons on average and how much do you 
charge and or pay?

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You could be right and then again depending on if there app is
distributed there could still be some latency. The minimum number of app
servers here is a web server and a database server you could add a queue
server and  a transaction processor too they would add some latency, but
still if you proxied using there software your bid should come first. I
guess the snipers are really playing a random game I was sniped by a
shark who contacted me within five minutes of the end of the bid who
wanted to sell to me at an additional profit I didn't acknowledge him.

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> You are forgeting about one issue no matter how you might try to be 
> the last bidder it still may fail due to network and web application 
> (eBay web interface) latency, so it still ends up being very random as

> to predictability of timing. Your network path to eBay could be 
> swamped due to any number of issues including a DNS update to a 
> router.

Yes, network latency is significant and needs to be considered.
However, I was referring to ebay's own auto proxy bidding, which I
presume runs on the their server so latency is insignificant in that
case.

Third party autobidding software definitely has to contend with
unpredictable Internet latencies.

Dennis Leas
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I've taken many bass lessons from several Berklee & New England Conservatory
alumnis (teachers & students) over the years. I usually paid between
$40-50/hour depending upon the topic ... some instructors are very lax with
time and just focus on getting you some useful information that you can work
with until the next time you get together ... other's are clock watchers.

It also depends if you are working from existing books or they are teaching
their "own methodology" from notes etc ...

I am currently studing Jazz Arranging and pay $40/lesson, but we usually
have a 1-1/2 to 2 hour session every other week ... very loose on time,
which is great since we usually have a lot of material to cover.

My private bass lesson with John Patitucci in NYC was $125 a few years ago
... we hung out for about 2 hours and a drummer (Drummer Collective student)
sat-in for a while.

To me, that seems to be "industry standard" ...

FWIW, well respected and talented "known" players are not necessarily good
teachers ... and many unkown, but talented players have a lot of great,
organized materials to help you become a better player ... so keep an open
mind and get together with several people until it clicks ... possibly get
personal references.


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For those of you who give and or take lessons...

How much do you charge or pay?

How long is your usual lesson?

So again, if I may, how long are your lessons on average and how much do you
charge and or pay?

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I find all this "sniping" info very useful.  IMO it's not terribly OT 
since many loop tools can only be had used.  I hope no one will slag me 
for having started all this...

But back to hardware issues.  The PDF on the Digitech 8000 is very 
informative (thanks Rich!), but I have yet to see real rate/bandwidth 
info on the 7.6 machine (and I used them for years!).  Does anyone know 
the specs?  I'm guessing 8 bit and 15 kHz?

David Lee Myers

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the good dr. said:

> While we're in invention mode, here's a pedal I've been wanting for years:
> 
> A continuous controller pedal that has a spring-loaded
> return-to-center action, similar to the pitch wheel on a keyboard
> controller. This would be suitable for "whammy pedal" functions to
> control the pitch parameter on a Harmonizer.


not exactly but-i used to use the <boss FV-200> keyboard volume pedal which
has a spring attached on the underside of the pedal so it always returns to
a preset setting made by the min/max pot on top. worked good.

stan(itarium)

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i charge a modest $15/hour and i don't pay much attention to the clock.  =
i also refuse to teach guitarists junk...i tell them at the beginning =
that i want to teach them guitar fundamentals as well as the theory that =
accompanies whatever it is that i'm explaining.  needless to say, most =
don't come back for more than 2 or 3 lessons. =20

i teach friends for free.

jimmy bruno is $150/hour.  i pay $30/hour for jazz theory lessons from =
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At 1:37 PM -0500 2/26/03, Looping9string@aol.com wrote:
>For those of you who give and or take lessons...
>
>How much do you charge or pay?
>
>How long is your usual lesson?
>
>So again, if I may, how long are your lessons on average and how 
>much do you charge and or pay?

Around our house the scale ranges from $25 to $100 per hour.

The top rate is for a one hour viola and chamber music lessons given 
by a top professional.

My rates as a consultant are $50/hour for professionals and $25/hour 
(typically with a 2-hour minimum) for starving artists.
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David,

It says in the manual copy available here on LD "up to
7.6 @ 15 kHz volatile memory."  I've never seen that
bandwidth number disputed, nor have I ever seen the 8
bit resolution disputed.  


Rich


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> I find all this "sniping" info very useful.  IMO
> it's not terribly OT 
> since many loop tools can only be had used.  I hope
> no one will slag me 
> for having started all this...
> 
> But back to hardware issues.  The PDF on the
> Digitech 8000 is very 
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> real rate/bandwidth 
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> years!).  Does anyone know 
> the specs?  I'm guessing 8 bit and 15 kHz?
> 
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At 11:22 AM -0800 2/26/03, stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote:

>not exactly but-i used to use the <boss FV-200> keyboard volume pedal which
>has a spring attached on the underside of the pedal so it always returns to
>a preset setting made by the min/max pot on top. worked good.

Do you mean the spring caused the pedal to return to its full-up position?

I jury-rigged something like that for Pauline Oliveros in a recording 
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Question: since most loop building consists of a real-time operator, hands-free, what are some options for building loops without the audience having to track the entire process? That is, at some point, I'd suspect, it would be nice to hit them with a fully developed loop that is consistent with the theme played at the time, but one that wasn't observed (or whatever word...witnessed, experienced) during its development?

Any ideas, routing and gear and etc., would be appreciated. The lower the budget, the better, but not necessary.

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Ah, the wonders of selectably pre- and post-fade aux
sends!

If you're using a suitably-equipped mixing board, you
can send signal to your looping device with the fader
down. Then, when you want to hear the loop, simply
bring up the fader.

You can sometimes surprise yourself as well as the
audience this way!

-t-

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The Boss RC-20 pedal will store up to five minutes of looping in 11
separate "files", even after you power it off.  I've found this useful
for building the "foundation" of the loop, then doing more interesting
things in front of the audience.

Patrick

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Question: since most loop building consists of a real-time operator,
hands-free, what are some options for building loops without the
audience having to track the entire process? That is, at some point, I'd
suspect, it would be nice to hit them with a fully developed loop that
is consistent with the theme played at the time, but one that wasn't
observed (or whatever word...witnessed, experienced) during its
development?

Any ideas, routing and gear and etc., would be appreciated. The lower
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This is another thing I like about splitting my signal between dry and
wet, and bringing the wet back in to my amps with a volume pedal.  I can
create all kinds of chaos silently and s-l-o-w-l-y spring it on the
airspace, while continuing to innocently play 'uneffected'.  As per the
discussion last month, this can be done with splitter boxes or Y-cables.

Daryl Shawn
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> > Question: ...what are some
> > options for building loops without the audience
> > having to track the entire process?

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> Ah, the wonders of selectably pre- and post-fade aux
> sends!

They're too small for my toes, though.
;)

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I'm about to enter the world of looper and was prepared to purchase a
Boomerang.  It would be used mostly for live performances.  Laying down a
loop or loops then playing over it.  Once the song was over, there would be
no need to save the loop.

Then I lurk on this list and see all the wonderful things people are doing
with the EDP.  I know it can do a lot more than the Boomerang but do I need
any of those additional features for my application?  Any opinions?

Thanks,
LeonD


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Yes, you'll need them.
It's the difference between a Ford Focus and, oh, I don't know, a Volvo. They'll spin you all around, but your safest bet is with the Volvo. (Sorry, Dearborn...)

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For simply looping static phrases or comps so that you can play another part
over it, the Boomerang will do that for you easy.  You're just using it like
a phrase sampler on the floor for that.  Both units go farther though, the
EDP MUCH farther.

In short order, though, I guarantee you'll discover quite a bit more of the
potential of looping.  Certainly some of this potential lies in the
Boomerang, but the EDP blows the Boomerang out of the water when it comes to
potential and flexibility.  Basically, you'll be able to explore more with
the EDP, it'll grow farther with you (or your use of it anyway).

The Boomerang is more self contained, and cheaper.  The EDP more powerful
and flexible.  *shrug*  What do you want?

Mike

> -----Original Message-----
> From: LeonD [mailto:ld60@rcn.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 3:26 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Considering Boomerang or EDP
>
>
> I'm about to enter the world of looper and was prepared to purchase a
> Boomerang.  It would be used mostly for live performances.
> Laying down a
> loop or loops then playing over it.  Once the song was over,
> there would be
> no need to save the loop.
>
> Then I lurk on this list and see all the wonderful things
> people are doing
> with the EDP.  I know it can do a lot more than the Boomerang
> but do I need
> any of those additional features for my application?  Any opinions?
>
> Thanks,
> LeonD
>
>

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>From :
Greg House

Subject :
Re: ebay sniping

Date :
Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:31:22 -0800 (PST)

--- Denis Aldrich <joy_top@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>I use automatic bidding software. I enter my max on which auction into
the
>>software. If the price doesn't go over my max, the software will bid
for me
>>in the last (selectable)10/5 seconds. This is the only bid made in my 
>>behalf.

>Maybe I'm just stupid, but how is this any different then >just using
>ebay's
>built-in max-bid option? If you put a max greater then your >bid, it will
>automatically up your bid when someone outbids you.

>Greg

Well, I can enter my max bid into the software at anytime during the 
auction, so for instance 5 days before the end. I never have to go back to 
do anything.  No more watching. If I used ebays max feature, every other 
bidder knows your interested and making bids which raise the price. I doubt 
if anybody can react to bidding with the consistancy of 10 to 5 seconds 
which the software gives. When 2 or more users of the software are on the 
same auction the winner is undecided to which software user gets the piece, 
but there is nothing preventing anybody else from winning within the time 
constrant of 10/5 secs.

Lets say, using ebays max, you put a max in of $100 on a piece going for 
$20. Somebody else ends up being interested and bids $21, yours goes to $22, 
he sees he still doesn't have it and raises to $23, and ebay raises yours to 
$24. This could go on to say $80 when he gets tired or till he goes over 
your max.
(This is the main reason I use the software, some will see how far the price 
can be jacked)

If your max is in bidding software and this guy wants to bid say $21 the 
amount never goes up untill the last 10 secs of the aution. so instead of 
$80 you get it for $22.

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At 2:55 PM -0500 2/26/03, Paulzric@aol.com wrote:
>Question: since most loop building consists of a real-time operator, 
>hands-free, what are some options for building loops without the 
>audience having to track the entire process? That is, at some point, 
>I'd suspect, it would be nice to hit them with a fully developed 
>loop that is consistent with the theme played at the time, but one 
>that wasn't observed (or whatever word...witnessed, experienced) 
>during its development?
>
>Any ideas, routing and gear and etc., would be appreciated. The 
>lower the budget, the better, but not necessary.

A lot of what I do depends on source material that isn't heard by 
either the audience OR myself until it is already in the loop! This 
could be a recipe for disaster, but I find that it keeps me on my 
toes and invites serendipitous musical development.

I'm using CD playback with a mixer setup that allows sending to the 
loopers without the source signal being also sent into the output 
mix. I've been using an old Mackie 1604 mixer with output monitoring 
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> Frεn: LeonD [mailto:ld60@rcn.com] 

> people are doing with the EDP.  I know it can do a lot more 
> than the Boomerang but do I need any of those additional 
> features for my application?  

With the EDP you might want to create a new "application" each time you
make music.

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> At 11:22 AM -0800 2/26/03, stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote:
> 
>> not exactly but-i used to use the <boss FV-200> keyboard volume pedal which
>> has a spring attached on the underside of the pedal so it always returns to
>> a preset setting made by the min/max pot on top. worked good.
> 
> Do you mean the spring caused the pedal to return to its full-up position?
> 
> I jury-rigged something like that for Pauline Oliveros in a recording
> session, by stuffing pieces of foam into her pedals.


well i pulled that old unit out of my gear dumpster and since i pulled the
spring out of it(wasnt useful for guitar) and hooking it up,the spring
engaged at about half way down. but it seems w/ a stronger,longer spring
attached to the underside it could be made to work for you,maybe.
s

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> I'm about to enter the world of looper 

leon.....get the rang and then save up and also get the edp.....one can not 
have enuf loopers.....i use a rang and have never played an edp, totally love 
my rang and would get an edp if had the scoot.....i would also like to have a 
dl4.....get what you can afford because going from no looper to looper is a 
life changing event.....michael

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Proxy bidders are EASY to use. No watching. No running up bids. No 
indication that you're interested. More consistant.
No more refre,refre,refre,refresh,damn. No more upping out your max bid. It 
really ends up being less work to do and cheaper. I see no reason to let 
people know I'm interested and how much I'm interested in that special item.

ethics? Ebays code writers wrote the code for one of the most popular 
bidders.





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Okay, I'm convinced that it seems worthwhile.  But do you know if there 
is bidding software for the Mac?

DLM

On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 04:17 PM, Denis Aldrich wrote:

> Proxy bidders are EASY to use. No watching. No running up bids. No 
> indication that you're interested. More consistant.
> No more refre,refre,refre,refresh,damn. No more upping out your max 
> bid. It really ends up being less work to do and cheaper. I see no 
> reason to let people know I'm interested and how much I'm interested 
> in that special item.
>
> ethics? Ebays code writers wrote the code for one of the most popular 
> bidders.

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At 1:08 PM -0800 2/26/03, stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote:

>well i pulled that old unit out of my gear dumpster and since i pulled the
>spring out of it(wasnt useful for guitar) and hooking it up,the spring
>engaged at about half way down. but it seems w/ a stronger,longer spring
>attached to the underside it could be made to work for you,maybe.

So the spring would push the pedal or pull the pedal back to the 
middle position, depending on which end of its travel you released 
it? This might work, though I expect there would be some "precision" 
limitations. I imagine there would need to be a mechanical adjustment 
at one attachment point, so you could fine tune the spring tension.
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It depends on personal taste, I reckon.  If you are doing fairly simple
stuff, you may want to go with the DL-4 (assuming you can keep your loops
under 14 seconds).  It's simple to use and easy to work with live.

Jeff

On 2/26/03 15:26, "LeonD" <ld60@rcn.com> wrote:

> I'm about to enter the world of looper and was prepared to purchase a
> Boomerang.  It would be used mostly for live performances.  Laying down a
> loop or loops then playing over it.  Once the song was over, there would be
> no need to save the loop.
> 
> Then I lurk on this list and see all the wonderful things people are doing
> with the EDP.  I know it can do a lot more than the Boomerang but do I need
> any of those additional features for my application?  Any opinions?
> 
> Thanks,
> LeonD
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At 6:24 PM -0500 2/26/03, David Myers wrote:
>do you know if there is bidding software for the Mac?

http://216.93.162.26/~admin1/cgi-bin/pickle.cgi
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I am going to really try to not know the boomerang here...

so considering the bad experience i had myself with it, and unanimous 
complaints i have heard in my geographic area, i will phrase the boomerang 
negatives by telling you the positive counterpoints that you will find in the 
EDP

My EDP's have considerably less noise, you can sync...

OK forget it!

The boomerang is noisy is can't be synced to anything!

You think you may not want to sync?

My first desire there came from drummers having difficulty keeping locked in 
... so I hooked a drum machine as a click through a monitor! (synced to the 
EDP)

The boomerang does have some functions I wish the EDP had but I can't tell 
enough after owning both how much happier you will be with the EDP!

I am really digging the Line 6 DL4 after trying one owned by a friend... I am 
floored that i can recall the phrase on demand

But I strongly suggest you stray yourself from the BOOMERANG!

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>Question: since most loop building consists of a real-time operator, 
>hands-free, what are some options for building loops without the 
>audience having to track the entire process? That is, at some point, 
>I'd suspect, it would be nice to hit them with a fully developed 
>loop that is consistent with the theme played at the time, but one 
>that wasn't observed (or whatever word...witnessed, experienced) 
>during its development?

nicely put!

the EDP in DelayMode allows to go to Mute and still overdub into the loop.
or in OutMode, you can use the FB pedal to control the loops volume.

So you dont need a mixer and squeeze your toes into it :-)

But how do you keep the timing? Do you use something synced to the looper?
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On Wed, 2003-02-26 at 14:55, Paulzric@aol.com wrote:
> Question: since most loop building consists of a real-time operator, hands-free, what are some options for building loops without the audience having to track the entire process? That is, at some point, I'd suspect, it would be nice to hit them with a fully developed loop that is consistent with the theme played at the time, but one that wasn't observed (or whatever word...witnessed, experienced) during its development?
> 
> Any ideas, routing and gear and etc., would be appreciated. The lower the budget, the better, but not necessary.
> 

These days, i do a lot of looping without listening to what i'm looping,
then bringing it up afterward to see what i got. My main looper is an
old Deltalab Echotron, which i usually max out at four seconds of delay.
It's in my guitar's signal chain with no mixer, so i fade it in and out
with the mix knob. Mostly, i loop guitar feedback, so percussivenes
isn't much of a problem. I also sometimes mix in the loop to help shape
the feedback, and use some analog echo to help soften the tone before it
hits the looper. When i like what i have, i just hit infinite repeat and
play over it, sometimes fading it in and out manually.

My other looper is a Lexicon Vortex, which i use for short loops.
Because it has tap tempo, it gets used for lots of percussive stuff. I
can also fade loops or fade its feedback with an expression pedal. Very
handy device for short real-time looping. Sometimes, i'll feed short
Vortex loops into the Echotron, and since they aren't synched in time,
odd rhythmic things can happen. 

Of course, this is an extremely random, improvisational approach, and
not at all suited for more composed looping. Really, it's more an
extension of my guitar than a separate thing. 
-- 

-dave

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Re: Lesson scalei charge 18 a half hour here in denver. it works well.

good luck

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  At 1:37 PM -0500 2/26/03, Looping9string@aol.com wrote:
    For those of you who give and or take lessons...

    How much do you charge or pay?

    How long is your usual lesson?


    So again, if I may, how long are your lessons on average and how =
much do you charge and or pay?


  Around our house the scale ranges from $25 to $100 per hour.


  The top rate is for a one hour viola and chamber music lessons given =
by a top professional.


  My rates as a consultant are $50/hour for professionals and $25/hour =
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$15 a half hour is pretty much the "rock bottom" standard for guitar store lessons around here (Chicago). Of course the skies the limit, but it all depends how much a teacher is worth. Cheers.
 Jimmy George Band <jg@jimmygeorgeband.com> wrote:BLOCKQUOTE {	PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px}DL {	PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px}UL {	PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px}OL {	PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px}LI {	PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px}i charge 18 a half hour here in denver. it works well. good luck jimmy georgehttp://www.jimmygeorgearts.com  ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Zvonar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 12:21 PMSubject: Re: Lesson scale
At 1:37 PM -0500 2/26/03, Looping9string@aol.com wrote:For those of you who give and or take lessons...

How much do you charge or pay?

How long is your usual lesson?
So again, if I may, how long are your lessons on average and how much do you charge and or pay?
Around our house the scale ranges from $25 to $100 per hour.
The top rate is for a one hour viola and chamber music lessons given by a top professional.
My rates as a consultant are $50/hour for professionals and $25/hour (typically with a 2-hour minimum) for starving artists.
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<P>$15 a half hour is pretty much the "rock bottom" standard for guitar store lessons around here&nbsp;(Chicago).&nbsp;Of course the skies the limit, but it all depends how much a teacher is worth. Cheers.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>i charge 18 a half hour here in denver. it works well.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>good luck</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=zvonar@zvonar.com href="mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com">Richard Zvonar</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com href="mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 26, 2003 12:21 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Lesson scale</DIV>
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<DIV>At 1:37 PM -0500 2/26/03, <A href="mailto:Looping9string@aol.com">Looping9string@aol.com</A> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite"><FONT face=Arial size=-1>For those of you who give and or take lessons...<BR><BR>How much do you charge or pay?<BR><BR>How long is your usual lesson?</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite"><FONT face=Arial size=-1><BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite"><FONT face=Arial size=-1>So again, if I may, how long are your lessons on average and how much do you charge and or pay?</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Around our house the scale ranges from $25 to $100 per hour.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>The top rate is for a one hour viola and chamber music lessons given by a top professional.</DIV>
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Hi

some last minute gig info for anyone not already going
to see Supecollider or Oval tonight in london...

Colin

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Thursday 27 February 2003
Coombe Records present... midRange
An evening of improvised electronic sound loops, subtle
feedback, guitar drones, laptops & tone generators...

Live music performances by
ANTENNA FARM  (Fat Cat / Phthalo)...
use a range of electronic and location sound sources,
digital manipulation and guitars to create a flow of
rhythms and feedback loops & drones. Antenna Farm have
releases on Phthalo Records, Hobby Industries and Fat
Cat Records.
See www.phthalo.com www.fat-cat.co.uk

DUAL (Coombe / Drone)
Dual's sound source is entirely from guitars, live and
manipulated utilising laptop, live sampling and fx. The
end result; morphing layered textures of tremolo guitar
sounds and atonal drones with static metronomic clicks
and pops. To complement the music, a constant motion
drift of warping imagery is projected as a backdrop.
www.dual.co.uk www.coomberecords.co.uk

iD  (Ashley Davies / Project Dark)
iD is a project that primarily uses sound gleaned from
a tone generator, which is crafted into vast swathes of
swirling piercing sound and rhythmic pulses. Sometimes
blistering, sometimes fragile, the music is formed into
a journey that drowns the senses. More is more, an
excercise in maximalism. iD is Ashley Davies (Project
Dark, Headbutt, C4i, Chemical Plant, Ohms and Watts)
and has recorded for many labels including Speeding
Across My Hemisphere, Larmnerv, Evelyn Records, TM
Industries, as well as self releasing nearly 30 CDr's
in the Sideshow Series.
www.projectdark.co.uk www.intoxica.co.uk/dark.htm

Images & short films by
BROWN SIERRA  (Noisegate Magazine)...
collectively run the 'sound art' magazine, 'Noisegate',
and whom are also sound artists using self made
instruments and electronics. Various releases are
available on the National Express label.  Their image
work is shot on Super8 film, video and reflected slide
projections, layering - abstract vs emblematic, -
moving or static, unique textures. Sometimes with a raw
soundtrack or sometimes just silence. The short films
showing are: Road Surface, Lamictogen, Pattern
Perception and Resonance Imagery. Brown Sierra films
have been shown at Atavistic Ratchets and Maxis 2002.
www.noisegate.org.uk

7pm, Thursday 27 February 2003
Free entry / donations
The Foundry (downstairs)
84-86 Grt. Eastern St.
London
EC2
nr. tube Old Street

the foundry
tel: 0207 7396900
www.foundry.tv

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
now available:::

Dual - Pace
3" cdr
CEE Recordings
The first in a series of cd ep's features the debut
live Dual performance at The Carny in Manchester UK,
1997. This 3" cd with exclusive hand made artwork
features three tracks; Auxpin, Chpst:k and Pyrhhic with
a total playing time of 21 mins. Beautiful subtle
textures intermingle with pulse bass, scratchy
backwards clatter and atonal guitar drones. This
release is ltd. to 100 individually numbered cd's on
the CEE label and also proudly distributed by Coombe
Records.
Available as always through the Coombe records
distribution network and available from exclusive
Coombe Records / Dual stockists...

.......................................................

Releases now available from Dual

Dual - Pace EP..................................
3" CDr £5.00 (UK pounds sterling)

Dual-Drimon.....................................
(7'') £2.50 (UK pounds sterling)

Dual-Caste.......................................
(CD) £10.00 (UK pounds sterling)

Dual-Keimar Sty................................
(CD) £10.00 (UK pounds sterling)

Pylons and Telegraph Poles-Various.....
(CDr) £5.00 (UK pounds sterling)

Network Volume II-Various................
(CD) £10.00 (UK pounds sterling)

Four Years in Thirty Seconds-Various...
(CD) £10.00 (UK pounds sterling)

FearDrop #8...................................
(French language magazine + CD) £5.50 (UK pounds
sterling)

All prices are inclusive of P & P in the UK only.
For Europe add £0.50 per 7" single, £1.00 per CD or
magazine / CD. Rest of the World / USA please add £1.00
per 7" single, and £2.00 per CD or magazine / CD.

PAYMENT METHODS
All cheques / PO's payable to COLIN BRADLEY.
We can also accept PAYPAL money transfers, for more
info visit http://www.paypal.com and go to the send
money option to set up an account, all PAYPAL
transactions should be sent to colin@dual.co.uk Please
be aware that PAYPAL now charge an extra fee for credit
card payments to the receiver of funds. If paying by
PAYPAL please write first to confirm exact price
details, thank you. We are looking into alternative on
line payment methods so if you know of alternative
money transfer sites please send details to
info@dual.co.uk and mark the subject heading ONLINE
PAYMENT INFO. We also accept well concealed UK cash (UK
pounds sterling only) but will not accept
responsibility for loss in transit, this is done at the
senders own risk.

Send all payment / correspondence to:
Dual c/o 13 Clarence Avenue, DN4 8AU. England.
Please include SAE / IRC with all enquiries to
guarantee a response. NB. This address is for postal
collection only, no personal callers.


Selected Coombe Records / Dual stockists...

Smallfish, Old St London
Rough Trade, Covent Garden London
Koobla, Berwick St London
Sound 323, Archway Road London
Rare and Racy, Devonshire Street Sheffield
Neurotitan, Rosenthaler Str 39 10178 Berlin Germany

...or by mailorder from:

Dual c/o 13 Clarence Avenue, DN4 8AU. England.
Fear Drop, 3 Rue de Damville 27 240 Les Essarts France
Manifold Records, Box 820266 Memphis TN 38182 USA
Drone Records, Bohnenstrasse 14 28203 Bremen Germany
Fourth Dimension/Adverse Effect, PO Box 63 Herne Bay
Kent UK
Noisegate, PO Box 15149 London WC1X 0HJ

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sorry if you receive this email more than once through
various sources, or if your address was added to our
database by mistake, it's not our intention to bombard
you with more information than even we would want but
if you would rather not receive this (ir)regular
information please reply to this email with remove in
the subject field. thank you...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Email :::
info@dual.co.uk

Dual :::
http://www.dual.co.uk

Coombe Records :::
http://www.coomberecords.com

Drone Records :::
http://radiantslab.com/DroneRecords

Evelyn Records :::
http://www.evelynrecords.cjb.net

Mystery Sea :::
http://www.home.planetinternet.be/~chalkdc



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  Switch into half speed mode when starting a loop, and you now have 28
secs. of loop time, with little or no  audible loss of fidelity.  <smile>
-just an FYI, in case you weren't aware of it already...   Have a great
day!...       

Smiles,

Cara

At 05:14 PM 2/26/03 -0500, you wrote:
>It depends on personal taste, I reckon.  If you are doing fairly simple
>stuff, you may want to go with the DL-4 (assuming you can keep your loops
>under 14 seconds).  It's simple to use and easy to work with live.
>
>Jeff
>
>On 2/26/03 15:26, "LeonD" <ld60@rcn.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm about to enter the world of looper and was prepared to purchase a
>> Boomerang.  It would be used mostly for live performances.  Laying down a
>> loop or loops then playing over it.  Once the song was over, there would be
>> no need to save the loop.
>> 
>> Then I lurk on this list and see all the wonderful things people are doing
>> with the EDP.  I know it can do a lot more than the Boomerang but do I need
>> any of those additional features for my application?  Any opinions?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> LeonD
>> 
>> 
>> 
>
>


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>A continuous controller pedal that has a spring-loaded 
>return-to-center action, similar to the pitch wheel on a keyboard 
>controller.

For years Yamaha made a pedal almost like this - may still do. It was 
their standard rubber covered contuinuous controller pedal that began 
shipping with all their later-DX7-era stuff.

Besides having an adjustment for overal tilt (so that heel-down would be 
at a comfortable angle whether sitting or standing) there was adjustable 
toe-down spring loading that could be set to any point you wanted. 

Pedal travel was normal up to that point; at that spot there was a "feel 
stop" so it was easy to kick the pedals to the preset point, but easy to 
push on through it too when you wanted more. Releasing the pedal would 
snap it back to the set point. I still have several and love the spring 
loaded feature. 

Not exactly what you wanted, but half of it anyway...

Dunno if Yamaha still makes them or something like them, but the old ones 
were really well made and well thought-out, even had a cable storage bay 
molded into the underside of the treadle. Coil up the cable, put it in 
there, and then the plug snapped across the coil into a couple of rubber 
prongs and it all stayed safe inside and came out untangled.

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  what did ya mean about recalling a phrase on demand?   -just curious...  

Smiles,

CQ

At 07:38 PM 2/26/03 EST, you wrote:
>I am going to really try to not know the boomerang here...
> 
> so considering the bad experience i had myself with it, and unanimous
>complaints i have heard in my geographic area, i will phrase the boomerang
>negatives by telling you the positive counterpoints that you will find in
>the EDP
> 
> My EDP's have considerably less noise, you can sync...
> 
> OK forget it!
> 
> The boomerang is noisy is can't be synced to anything!
> 
> You think you may not want to sync?
> 
> My first desire there came from drummers having difficulty keeping locked
>in ... so I hooked a drum machine as a click through a monitor! (synced to
>the EDP)
> 
> The boomerang does have some functions I wish the EDP had but I can't tell
>enough after owning both how much happier you will be with the EDP!
> 
> I am really digging the Line 6 DL4 after trying one owned by a friend... I
>am floored that i can recall the phrase on demand
> 
> But I strongly suggest you stray yourself from the BOOMERANG! 


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Sherman,

    Set the Way-Back Machine to 1992 when I used to give a few lessons for
beginning guitar players...  Used to be that I'd typically charge $15.00 per
45 minutes.  Found that if you're looking to really do the teaching end and
are doing so in a single teacher to single student mode, you'd find that
after 45 minutes that both the student and the teacher would become
over-saturated once past 45 minutes on the average...  I think that this
price has increased to $22.00 to $26.00 per lesson from the other teachers
in the area (where I live).

    Oh, to keep this on-topic with the list, was using an old tape echoplex
in these endeavors.  Was a great tool for learning a phrase, and even
better, learning how to play (theory) within chord changes.

    Back to the dream called sleep.


        Lee
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Looping9string@aol.com [mailto:Looping9string@aol.com]
  Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 1:38 PM
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  Subject: Lesson scale


  For those of you who give and or take lessons...

  How much do you charge or pay?

  How long is your usual lesson?

  So again, if I may, how long are your lessons on average and how much do
you charge and or pay?

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<DIV><SPAN class=210222516-27022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>Sherman, </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=210222516-27022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=210222516-27022003>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff size=2>Set the Way-Back Machine to 1992 when I used to give a few 
lessons for beginning guitar players...&nbsp; Used to be that I'd typically 
charge $15.00 per 45 minutes.&nbsp; Found that if you're looking to really do 
the teaching end and are doing so in a single teacher to single student mode, 
you'd find that after 45 minutes that both the student and the teacher would 
become over-saturated once past 45 minutes on the average...&nbsp; I think that 
this price has increased to $22.00 to $26.00 per lesson from the other teachers 
in the area (where I live).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=210222516-27022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=210222516-27022003>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff size=2>Oh, to keep this on-topic with the list, was using an old 
tape echoplex in these endeavors.&nbsp; Was a great tool for learning a phrase, 
and even better, learning how to play (theory) within chord changes.&nbsp; 
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=210222516-27022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=210222516-27022003>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff size=2>Back to the dream called sleep.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=210222516-27022003>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
<FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Lee</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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  size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Looping9string@aol.com 
  [mailto:Looping9string@aol.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 26, 2003 
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  lesson?<BR><BR>So again, if I may, how long are your lessons on average and 
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--- Bill Monk <billmonk@mac.com> wrote:
> >A continuous controller pedal that has a spring-loaded 
> >return-to-center action, similar to the pitch wheel on a keyboard 
> >controller.
> 
> For years Yamaha made a pedal almost like this - may still do. It was 
> their standard rubber covered contuinuous controller pedal that began 
> shipping with all their later-DX7-era stuff.

They still make it, it's the FC-7. I got one last year, nice solid pedal.

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My fc-7's dont return to a center point, theyare just 'regular' pedals, they
stay where you set them !

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> --- Bill Monk <billmonk@mac.com> wrote:
> > >A continuous controller pedal that has a spring-loaded
> > >return-to-center action, similar to the pitch wheel on a keyboard
> > >controller.
> >
> > For years Yamaha made a pedal almost like this - may still do. It was
> > their standard rubber covered contuinuous controller pedal that began
> > shipping with all their later-DX7-era stuff.
>
> They still make it, it's the FC-7. I got one last year, nice solid pedal.
>
> Greg
>
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All,

>PITTSBURGH (Feb. 27) - Fred Rogers, who gently invited millions 
>of children to be his neighbor as host of the public television show 
>"Mister Rogers' Neighborhood" for more than 30 years, died of 
>cancer early Thursday. He was 74.

This may seem like it's way, way off topic. But in another sense, 
this fellow performed a "living loop" for children on his program 
for nearly 32 years (1968 to 2000). The consistency of the 
format he followed -- a familiar one, probably, to almost every 
preschool child (or parent of one) in the US for the past 30 
years -- varied hardly at all. His TV show was an endless loop.

While many may deride his presence in showbusiness as insipid 
and sentimental pap, I observe a tremendous amount of integrity
and an almost Zen-like calm, and intentionality to both the 
man himself and his work (funny to think about, since he was 
actually an ordained Presbyterian minister and the furthest
thing from "new agey").

Whatever any of us may think about that show, I believe the man 
did a lot of good. The obvious goodness and gentleness evidenced
in both his stage and real-life personas (which, in fact, were 
nearly identical) are an indication of a real "inner toughness" in 
the face of our postmodern society's cynicism, violence and 
general hopelessness.

I haven't watched his show since my kids were very small and
have given it very little thought since it stopped airing a couple
of years ago. But, knowing he's gone now, I will miss him. I wish
my own work and (by implication) life had anywhere near as
much integrity and goodness about it. 

The "neighborhood" is just a little darker now for his passing.
You can't say that about too many people these days -- or is
my underlying cynicism and hopelessness showing? Whatever
the hell this has to do with looping now escapes me. It only has 
to do with the meaning of life.

Best,

tEd � kiLLiAn

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Yeehawwwwww...

Been using my EDP after a short hiatus with a Boss Loop Station (and also after 
selling my Repeater cause I needed some ready cash). The Loop Station is nice, 
BUT...

It's sooooo nice to be able to sync a drum machine to the EDP and experiment. 
SYNC can be VERY important. Also, what a royal pain NOT having an UNDO function.

Anyhow, GET AN EDP!

Regards, Paul
>   what did ya mean about recalling a phrase on demand?   -just curious...  
> 
> Smiles,
> 
> CQ
> 
> At 07:38 PM 2/26/03 EST, you wrote:
> >I am going to really try to not know the boomerang here...
> > 
> > so considering the bad experience i had myself with it, and unanimous
> >complaints i have heard in my geographic area, i will phrase the boomerang
> >negatives by telling you the positive counterpoints that you will find in
> >the EDP
> > 
> > My EDP's have considerably less noise, you can sync...
> > 
> > OK forget it!
> > 
> > The boomerang is noisy is can't be synced to anything!
> > 
> > You think you may not want to sync?
> > 
> > My first desire there came from drummers having difficulty keeping locked
> >in ... so I hooked a drum machine as a click through a monitor! (synced to
> >the EDP)
> > 
> > The boomerang does have some functions I wish the EDP had but I can't tell
> >enough after owning both how much happier you will be with the EDP!
> > 
> > I am really digging the Line 6 DL4 after trying one owned by a friend... I
> >am floored that i can recall the phrase on demand
> > 
> > But I strongly suggest you stray yourself from the BOOMERANG! 
> 
> 
> ---
> 
>   "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother.
> -Then, anything is possible..."  
> 
> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates
> 
> Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe.  
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction 
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe 
> 
> 

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In a message dated 2/27/03 8:49:48 AM, Paulrichard10@attbi.com writes:

<< The Loop Station is nice, 
BUT... >>

I sold my Boomerang and got the Loop Station about a year ago. The 
non-volatile memory is nice. But I miss the lovely big roller volume control 
on the Rang that you can control with the toe. Also the speed control having 
its own switch.

Clearly tho I must get an EDP when I win the lottery. Too bad I don't own 
stock in Duct Tape.

regards
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At 11:45 AM -0500 2/27/03, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote:

>I observe a tremendous amount of integrity and an almost Zen-like 
>calm, and intentionality to both the man himself and his work (funny 
>to think about, since he was actually an ordained Presbyterian 
>minister and the furthest
>thing from "new agey").

I concur. Fred Rogers was a saint.

I've caught his show over the years on the occasion of visits to my 
sisters, both of whom have children spanning the 1-14 age range. Mr. 
Rogers seemed a constant and reliable presence throughout that time. 
(Incidentally one of these sisters has and M.Div and is working 
toward ordination as a Presbyterian minister).

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Wow! Thanks for all the opinions.  It looks like the majority is swayed
towards the EDP.  If the cost was the same, I'd go with the EDP.
Unfortunately, its not so I'm still trying to decide.

One other question, I understand that there is a lot the EDP can do that the
Boomerang can not but is there anything the Boomerang can do that the EDP
can't?

Thanks again,
LeonD


> > I'm about to enter the world of looper and was prepared to purchase a
> > Boomerang.  It would be used mostly for live performances.  Laying down
a
> > loop or loops then playing over it.  Once the song was over, there would
be
> > no need to save the loop.
> >
> > Then I lurk on this list and see all the wonderful things people are
doing
> > with the EDP.  I know it can do a lot more than the Boomerang but do I
need
> > any of those additional features for my application?  Any opinions?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > LeonD
> >
> >
> >
>
>


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Alto Music still has a few blonde EDP's with
footswitch for $699 ... I would just save up.


--- LeonD <ld60@rcn.com> wrote:
> Wow! Thanks for all the opinions.  It looks like the
> majority is swayed
> towards the EDP.  If the cost was the same, I'd go
> with the EDP.
> Unfortunately, its not so I'm still trying to
> decide.
> 
> One other question, I understand that there is a lot
> the EDP can do that the
> Boomerang can not but is there anything the
> Boomerang can do that the EDP
> can't?
> 
> Thanks again,
> LeonD
> 
> 
> > > I'm about to enter the world of looper and was
> prepared to purchase a
> > > Boomerang.  It would be used mostly for live
> performances.  Laying down
> a
> > > loop or loops then playing over it.  Once the
> song was over, there would
> be
> > > no need to save the loop.
> > >
> > > Then I lurk on this list and see all the
> wonderful things people are
> doing
> > > with the EDP.  I know it can do a lot more than
> the Boomerang but do I
> need
> > > any of those additional features for my
> application?  Any opinions?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > LeonD
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> 
> 


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I read Mr. Roger's autobiography ("You Are Special").  I was amazed to
learn that he had:

 - a Master's of Divinity from Pittsburg Seminary
 - was ordained in the Presbyterian Church as a minister to the "media"
 - composed most of the music heard on the show
 - and a Master's in Music Compsition to boot.

After reading the book, I wrote him a letter of appreciation for his
years of ministry.  He called me on the phone, left a message, and
personally wrote me back w/ gracious thanks.  I keep the letter as one
of my treasured posessions.  I will miss him.

Patrick

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At 11:45 AM -0500 2/27/03, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote:

>I observe a tremendous amount of integrity and an almost Zen-like
>calm, and intentionality to both the man himself and his work (funny 
>to think about, since he was actually an ordained Presbyterian 
>minister and the furthest
>thing from "new agey").

I concur. Fred Rogers was a saint.

I've caught his show over the years on the occasion of visits to my 
sisters, both of whom have children spanning the 1-14 age range. Mr. 
Rogers seemed a constant and reliable presence throughout that time. 
(Incidentally one of these sisters has and M.Div and is working 
toward ordination as a Presbyterian minister).

-- 

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>...Whatever
> the hell this has to do with looping now escapes me. It only has
> to do with the meaning of life.

Ted, et al,  This list entertains a certain variety, leeway, and the meaning
of life and goodness permeate that variety's underlying force, mehopes.
Loops' meaning mostly transcends words, once past the technical
considerations, when yer just making music.  Mr. Rogers' persona type is in
the music vibe pool, vying with both the dark negative and light positive
for our attention.

Thanks for your note -- it was my first news of Fred's passing, and you gave
it with an overdubbing appreciated.

||: David :||


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> All,
>
> >PITTSBURGH (Feb. 27) - Fred Rogers, who gently invited millions
> >of children to be his neighbor as host of the public television show
> >"Mister Rogers' Neighborhood" for more than 30 years, died of
> >cancer early Thursday. He was 74.
>
> This may seem like it's way, way off topic. But in another sense,
> this fellow performed a "living loop" for children on his program
> for nearly 32 years (1968 to 2000). (...)

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>  > > This has got me in inventor mode: I could think of
>>  > several uses for such a pedal with a *heel* switch. I
>
>Matthias uses a pedal controller which he built himself, and it includes a
>pedal for EDP feedback control,

no, its the volume. FB is on a slider

>with a little toe switch (for overdub, I think?) which is actuated 
>by moving his big toe to the left to hit the switch.  This way the 
>heel and toes can be used to move the pedal up and down without 
>hitting a switch by mistake.

That switch broke and I hated to have that thing standing out on the 
left of the pedal, so I simply built a little switch directly into 
the pedal lever, in the left upper corner. I can still activate it 
with the big toe anytime and so far never did it acidentally.

In the next version I try a second switch. should be possible to move 
the foot (and thus the big toe) to right spot, no? I need Multiply 
there because often I want to use it when the left foot is operating 
the airFX.
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The HR16 and the QY20 cannot be programmed when they are slaved to 
the loopers MIDIclock and playing
I find this essencial though, to be able to change the drum pattern 
just as we change the loops while playing!

So, please, which are the machines that can do it?
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In my lexicon, admittedly influenced by Doris Lessing, Fred Rogers is one of 
the "Sentimental Agents"... people placed here to do good. See her Canopus In 
Argos books for the reference.

> I concur. Fred Rogers was a saint.

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there's no question in my mind he was zen master masquerading as a 
television host.  if you have the chance to see the interview he did 
about a decade ago with charlie rose, i think you'd find it quietly 
astounding.

r.





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> In my lexicon, admittedly influenced by Doris Lessing, Fred Rogers is 
> one of
> the "Sentimental Agents"... people placed here to do good. See her 
> Canopus In
> Argos books for the reference.
>
>> I concur. Fred Rogers was a saint.
>

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-----Original Message-----
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The HR16 and the QY20 cannot be programmed when they are slaved to 
the loopers MIDIclock and playing
I find this essencial though, to be able to change the drum pattern 
just as we change the loops while playing!

So, please, which are the machines that can do it?
-- 

=================================================

I just confirmed my Zoom RhythmTrak 323 will do that (going for
$150-$250 on Ebay). Great sounding machine, with its biggest weakness
being it has an LCD screen with no backlight. I think there's a
downloadable manual at the Zoom site if you're curious.

Neil


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----- Original Message -----
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> Wow! Thanks for all the opinions.  It looks like the majority is swayed
> towards the EDP.  If the cost was the same, I'd go with the EDP.
> Unfortunately, its not so I'm still trying to decide.
>
> One other question, I understand that there is a lot the EDP can do that
the
> Boomerang can not but is there anything the Boomerang can do that the EDP
> can't?
>
> Thanks again,
> LeonD


hi leon. here a few thoughts, i have been playing the boomerang for over 10
years now. they are tough, dependable, reliable and with the upgrade last
year they have a compatible sample rate and is actually 2 independent loop
pedals in one. it is set up to be very easy to use out of the box. mike
nelson who makes them is a player and built it for players. mike has plans
in the near future to make the rang midi. i look forward to that. i find the
rang to be great for people who do not want to make a 'science' out of
learning there gear and want more to perform and enjoy ion the moment. i
like the edp's and will get another one day. they to me are so powerful that
there are too many options when i am as busy as i am playing and performing
for the learning curve required for some. syncing etc are wonderful options.
in the perfect world we will have them all! for now though with your budget
and what your application is that you wrote that you want a looper pedal
for, please get your hands on a rang to at least kick around the block. if
you cant do to location etc, get one site unseen.

you can find used rangs before the upgrade for 100 to 200 bucks on ebay etc.
you can then get the upgrade chip from nelson and easily install it to make
the rang the upgraded plus version. new your looking at 300 to 450 depending
on where you go.

check out my equipment page on http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com under 'music'
when you can. i have pics of both the old rang and the new one. i also have
a schematic for a simple routing system i've built for the rang allowing you
to get up to 12 signals into the loop. 4 of the signals you can split to the
house as well. very sweet!

give me a shout if you have any more boomerang questions. i know the pedal
very well.

with the boomerangs simplicity set-up & functions i find i can dig deeper
into the music and truly get the most out of my 'g' chord if you will.

good luck and loop on!

jimmy

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In a message dated 2/27/03 9:22:03 AM, tentacle_joe@yahoo.com writes:

<< Alto Music still has a few blonde EDP's with
footswitch for $699 >>

Dang, that's not bad.
The one I saw online yesterday was a black one with a price of $1150. What is 
the difference?
The Alto site did not mention software, are the blondes upgradable to Loop IV 
and open to memory expansion?

BobC

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In a message dated 2/27/2003 11:45:42 AM Mountain Standard Time, 
ngold@attbi.com writes:

> So, please, which are the machines that can do it?
> 

I use a korg electribe, two of the actually...

they work perfectly for what you say...

and you change a lot of stuff on them on the fly...

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And AGAIN, I cant stress to you enough how ridiculously NOISY the boomerang 
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forgot to mention the upgrade for the  rang from nelson is 75.00. sweet.
also you can hear my boomerang in its live application looping my voice and
guitar etc on my listen page under music.

check out tune numbers;

on the bestov cd click numbers 10 and 15. if you dont have real audio i can
send you the mp3s also.

also there are many conflicting opnions as to what operating system goes
with what edp and which colored edp means what. can some one out there just
spell it out in simple text? i couldnt even tell you what the current epd is
with all the various upgrade etc.

thanks!

when you get the rang + you get exactly that.

loop on fiends!

jimmy

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He's always been one of my heroes...a mournful day...

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> One other question, I understand that there is a lot the EDP can do that
the
> Boomerang can not but is there anything the Boomerang can do that the EDP
> can't?

The Boomerang Plus has several speed settings (five, as best I can recall).
The EDP (Loop IV) has two, full- and half-speed.

There are a few other smaller items, more inconsequential.


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not at all when you set your trim knob and input levels correctly.

nothing but sweet sound...

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  And AGAIN, I cant stress to you enough how ridiculously NOISY the =
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i finally had a closer look at that lexicon guitar effect and was 
amazed about its insert feature. This allows to insert a looper and 
have the filter/distortion/pitch effects before and the reverb after 
the looper, so that could replace the PCM80 and 90 for me!

Does anyone do that?
Is the reverb quality somehow in the range of the PCM80 (it certainly 
does not match the 90 but there is no need on stage)?

Its a pity that the Send is not stereo with panning, else we could 
connect two EDPs to it and use them as two track or stereo 
alternatively, just by changing the parameters at the G2!
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Heh. Well I definitely notice a loss in clarity in 28 second mode, especially when overdubbing, but I'm running it in front of my amp. I really love the half time and reverse features though, and when you cut it in half to shift the pitch up an octave it starts sounding clearer again. I LOVE that "chipmunk" sound, and I love backwards guitar, so you can imagine my joy at discovering I could do "backwards chipmunk" guitar stuff on my DL-4 when I got it. BTW I know the EDP can do the same thing, but is there a way to make it do this in rythmic sequences, or to record from one loop to another while clicking the multiply/divide switch? - Kirkland
 Goddess <thefates@earthlink.net> wrote:Switch into half speed mode when starting a loop, and you now have 28
secs. of loop time, with little or no audible loss of fidelity. 
-just an FYI, in case you weren't aware of it already... Have a great
day!... 

Smiles,

Cara


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<P>Heh. Well I definitely notice a loss in clarity in 28 second mode, especially when&nbsp;overdubbing,&nbsp;but I'm running it in front of my amp. I really love the half time and reverse features though, and when you cut it in half to shift the pitch up an octave it starts sounding clearer again. I LOVE that "chipmunk" sound, and I love backwards guitar, so you can imagine my joy at discovering I could do "backwards chipmunk" guitar stuff on my DL-4 when I got it. BTW&nbsp;I know&nbsp;the EDP can&nbsp;do the same thing, but&nbsp;is there a way to&nbsp;make it do this in rythmic sequences, or to record from one loop to another while clicking the multiply/divide switch?&nbsp;- Kirkland
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Switch into half speed mode when starting a loop, and you now have 28<BR>secs. of loop time, with little or no audible loss of fidelity. <SMILE><BR>-just an FYI, in case you weren't aware of it already... Have a great<BR>day!... <BR><BR>Smiles,<BR><BR>Cara<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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to switch your rang speeds you must first turn the system off. kind of a
bummer. does the edp swotch speeds in play mode?

jimmy
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> > One other question, I understand that there is a lot the EDP can do that
> the
> > Boomerang can not but is there anything the Boomerang can do that the
EDP
> > can't?
>
> The Boomerang Plus has several speed settings (five, as best I can
recall).
> The EDP (Loop IV) has two, full- and half-speed.
>
> There are a few other smaller items, more inconsequential.
>
>
> Dennis Leas
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Hey dude--
I am just beginning to use the G2 with a pair of EDPs, and have not made any
permanent assignments yet--I very much appreciate any information we can
share about these units--BTW, I am using a MPX G2 with software version 1.0,
understand that there is a free upgrade available.
Suggest something and I will try it!
Much respect and admiration,
Gary

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i finally had a closer look at that lexicon guitar effect and was
amazed about its insert feature. This allows to insert a looper and
have the filter/distortion/pitch effects before and the reverb after
the looper, so that could replace the PCM80 and 90 for me!

Does anyone do that?
Is the reverb quality somehow in the range of the PCM80 (it certainly
does not match the 90 but there is no need on stage)?

Its a pity that the Send is not stereo with panning, else we could
connect two EDPs to it and use them as two track or stereo
alternatively, just by changing the parameters at the G2!
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I just have the manual...
The idea is to connect a EDP between Send and Return of it and then 
play arround with the effects before and after the loops just like 
the Repeater does it :-)

>Hey dude--
>I am just beginning to use the G2 with a pair of EDPs, and have not made any
>permanent assignments yet--I very much appreciate any information we can
>share about these units--BTW, I am using a MPX G2 with software version 1.0,
>understand that there is a free upgrade available.
>Suggest something and I will try it!
>Much respect and admiration,
>Gary
>
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>Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 11:34 AM
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>
>
>i finally had a closer look at that lexicon guitar effect and was
>amazed about its insert feature. This allows to insert a looper and
>have the filter/distortion/pitch effects before and the reverb after
>the looper, so that could replace the PCM80 and 90 for me!
>
>Does anyone do that?
>Is the reverb quality somehow in the range of the PCM80 (it certainly
>does not match the 90 but there is no need on stage)?
>
>Its a pity that the Send is not stereo with panning, else we could
>connect two EDPs to it and use them as two track or stereo
>alternatively, just by changing the parameters at the G2!
>--
>
>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org]
>Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 9:51 AM
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Subject: live looping drum machine?
>
>The HR16 and the QY20 cannot be programmed when they are slaved to
>the loopers MIDIclock and playing
>I find this essencial though, to be able to change the drum pattern
>just as we change the loops while playing!
>
>So, please, which are the machines that can do it?
>--
>
>=================================================
>
>I just confirmed my Zoom RhythmTrak 323 will do that (going for
>$150-$250 on Ebay). Great sounding machine, with its biggest weakness
>being it has an LCD screen with no backlight. I think there's a
>downloadable manual at the Zoom site if you're curious.
>
>Neil

$169 new!
Just to confirm: you use it as MIDIclock slave? and you keep changing 
the pattern content while it runs slaved? (usually they dont say such 
limitations in the manual very easily...)

This is actually a subject to be treated on the LD gear list, I think...
-- 


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--- David Swain <d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> My fc-7's dont return to a center point, theyare just 'regular' pedals, they
> stay where you set them !

They don't return from the heel position to the center, but they do pop up from
the toe to a preset place. There's an adjustment in them to set the position of
that. Perhaps it's disabled in your's?

Check out the description at: 
http://yamaha.com/cgi-win/webcgi.exe/DsplyModel/?gEKS00001FC7

It talks about the "fortissimo function", and the spring adjust, and all that. Is
it possible you have an EP-1, which is Yamaha's "regular" expression pedal?

Greg

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Do you have any online samples? IΉm semi-drum-machine-less right now (not
counting my HandSonic). IΉve thought about fixing that, but I want something
thatΉs good for on the fly tweaking. The leading candidates seem to be the
Electribes and the Machinedrum (though I'm having a hard time justifying the
expense of the Machinedrum).

Mark

on 2/27/03 10:55 AM, Looping9string@aol.com at Looping9string@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 2/27/2003 11:45:42 AM Mountain Standard Time,
> ngold@attbi.com writes:
> 
>> So, please, which are the machines that can do it?
> 
> 
> I use a korg electribe, two of the actually...
> 
> they work perfectly for what you say...
> 
> and you change a lot of stuff on them on the fly...


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On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 08:36 PM, Kirkland Mack wrote:

>  Well I definitely notice a loss in clarity in 28 second mode, 
> especially when overdubbing

Me too :) One of my favourite tricks is to do a slowish pizzicato 
arpeggio run on the lower strings of my 6 string violin, then during 
the end of the second time around the loop, hit the speed button to 
double the speed, and at the same time, hit a low sustained string.... 
Its lovely :)...

My only gripe with the DL4 is that it is almost impossible to reverse a 
loop without screwing up with the timing... double tapping is hard. I'm 
seriously thinking about investing in an Echo pro so that I can do this 
via Midi.

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> to switch your rang speeds you must first turn the system off. kind of a
> bummer. does the edp swotch speeds in play mode?

Yes, you can switch EDP speeds without interrupting the sound.

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>--
>
>=================================================
>
>I just confirmed my Zoom RhythmTrak 323 will do that (going for
>$150-$250 on Ebay). Great sounding machine, with its biggest weakness
>being it has an LCD screen with no backlight. I think there's a
>downloadable manual at the Zoom site if you're curious.
>
>Neil

$169 new!
Just to confirm: you use it as MIDIclock slave? and you keep changing 
the pattern content while it runs slaved? (usually they dont say such 
limitations in the manual very easily...)

=======================================================================

I confirmed you can start the 323 with an empty pattern and slave to
sync (I tested with EDP with sync=out) and the metronome on the 323
plays and you can program new patterns. On this machine all the
programming is done by playing the pads, rather than grid style like the
Electribe or MC303.

While it is still playing in sync, you can press the Pause key to
suspend recording, so you can audition the sounds assigned to each pad.
There are 2 kits, a bass track, and recordable midi track (for sending
to external gear) for each pattern. 

The Groove Play mode makes it so each pad plays a different pattern, up
to 4 simultaneous. 

So with some mastery of this 323 you can program your new patterns and
choose up to 4 simultaneous, while in sync with your loop. 

Too bad about the poor display...

Neil




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I used to, matthias... it works like a charm...

the reverbs are not like what is promised... they are a bit of a
disappointment compared to the 80 and 90..., but still very excellent.

remember that the routing can be changed from serial to parallel at any
point, so you might still be able to accomplish that effect using the jamman
inside the unit itself...

t.

On 2/27/03 2:34 PM, "Matthias Grob" <matthias@grob.org> wrote:

> i finally had a closer look at that lexicon guitar effect and was
> amazed about its insert feature. This allows to insert a looper and
> have the filter/distortion/pitch effects before and the reverb after
> the looper, so that could replace the PCM80 and 90 for me!
> 
> Does anyone do that?
> Is the reverb quality somehow in the range of the PCM80 (it certainly
> does not match the 90 but there is no need on stage)?
> 
> Its a pity that the Send is not stereo with panning, else we could
> connect two EDPs to it and use them as two track or stereo
> alternatively, just by changing the parameters at the G2!

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The blondes at Alot are maxed out in the memory
department with loop3 -- I believe all EDP's are loop4
upgradeable. Check out the archives for the past two
weeks -- there was a huge thread on the differences
between the new one and the blonde.


--- Aptrev@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 2/27/03 9:22:03 AM,
> tentacle_joe@yahoo.com writes:
> 
> << Alto Music still has a few blonde EDP's with
> footswitch for $699 >>
> 
> Dang, that's not bad.
> The one I saw online yesterday was a black one with
> a price of $1150. What is 
> the difference?
> The Alto site did not mention software, are the
> blondes upgradable to Loop IV 
> and open to memory expansion?
> 
> BobC
> 
> The Thumb Piano Project
> www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject 
> http://trundlebox.iuma.com
> http://brokenaxe.iuma.com
> 


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In a message dated 2/27/03 1:45:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
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> i also have
> a schematic for a simple routing system i've built for the rang allowing 
> you
> to get up to 12 signals into the loop. 4 of the signals you can split to 
> the
> house as well. very sweet!
> 

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go to my web site http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com click music on the =
left, click equipment on the right, scroll down till you see 'the magic =
box' click it, it will take you into the pic page then scroll down from =
there and you will see a schematic link for the layout. it is pretty =
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thanks!

jimmy
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    i also have
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the mackie vlz boards allow you to split the signals from the input =
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only board that does this. anyone know of others?=20

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    i also have
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All the Roland drum machines do this.

Mark Sottilaro

Neil Goldstein wrote:

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org]
> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 9:51 AM
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> Subject: live looping drum machine?
>
> The HR16 and the QY20 cannot be programmed when they are slaved to
> the loopers MIDIclock and playing
> I find this essencial though, to be able to change the drum pattern
> just as we change the loops while playing!
>
> So, please, which are the machines that can do it?
> --
>
> =================================================
>
> I just confirmed my Zoom RhythmTrak 323 will do that (going for
> $150-$250 on Ebay). Great sounding machine, with its biggest weakness
> being it has an LCD screen with no backlight. I think there's a
> downloadable manual at the Zoom site if you're curious.
>
> Neil

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--- Jimmy George Band <jg@jimmygeorgeband.com> wrote:
> the mackie vlz boards allow you to split the signals from the input channels.
> the 1202 for example has 4 inserts that can be sent to the loop as well as the
> house. im pretty sure this is their pattent and the only board that does this.
> anyone know of others? 

It's a simple byproduct of the way they wire their switching jacks, nothing
special or patentable about it. Lots of mixers do this. If it were wired the
other way around (so that the ring & sleeve were the "send", like some of the
older British boards) it'd be easy to make an "insert tap" cable where you just
connect a wire across the tip & ring (connecting them for the mixer, and tapping
them to whatever you send it to).

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>In a message dated 2/27/2003 11:45:42 AM Mountain Standard Time, 
>ngold@attbi.com writes:
>
>>So, please, which are the machines that can do it?
>>
>
>
>I use a korg electribe, two of the actually...
>
>they work perfectly for what you say...
>
>and you change a lot of stuff on them on the fly...

you are talking of the Electribe R, I suppose, also sampler, $600... 
rather big for what I thought...
but it does not sample while it runs as slave, I suppose...

Thank you!
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I own the Korg Electribe EM-1.  I love the sounds, the pattern editing, and
the real-time and sequencable parameters (filter, res, pitch, etc.).

Peeves, with respect to live applications (I have no idea if the same is
true of the dedicated Electribe drum machines, but I suspect it is, since
the design appears to be very, very similar - btw, the EM-1 is a combo
drum/synth box, with 2 mono analog-style synth voices and 8 drum parts):

- the act of selecting a sound seems to triggers the sound, as audio, when
you push the button to select it.  For example, if I just got done arranging
a kick drum part, and I want to now arrange a snare drum part to go with it,
when I select the snare drum part with the button assigned to that sound,
pushing this button actually triggers the snare drum sound to play back,
just like it would if you had a keyboard key or drum pad mapped via midi to
that sound, and you hit the key/pad.  Handy for auditioning sounds, but an
extra consideration when using live.

- many of the deeper pattern/sequence editing parameters (swing,
beats/measure, arrangment of patterns into songs, # of measures per pattern,
etc.) cannot be modified while the unit is playing back a sequence, you must
stop playback to change these values.

- you can't filter out everything but the midi clock FROM the EM-1 unit
itself.  For example, when I'm synching my Repeater to the EM-1, if I hit
any of the transport controls (play, stop, etc.), this triggers the
associated transport on the Repeater.  You can filter out other types of
MIDI messages (notes, cc's, etc.) but not the transport controls.  Handy for
some things, annoying for others.  I'm actually going to try using the midi
clock from my MPX-1 as the master clock so that I can operate the EM-1 more
independently of my Repeater.

But otherwise, I love this little box, it sounds good, very big, albeit a
tad noisy, and has a lot of tweakability for it's size/price.  For whipping
up some arrangements at home or studio, it's a lot of fun.

Mike

> -----Original Message-----
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> All the Roland drum machines do this.
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> Mark Sottilaro
>
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> > Subject: live looping drum machine?
> >
> > The HR16 and the QY20 cannot be programmed when they are slaved to
> > the loopers MIDIclock and playing
> > I find this essencial though, to be able to change the drum pattern
> > just as we change the loops while playing!
> >
> > So, please, which are the machines that can do it?
> > --
> >
> > =================================================
> >
> > I just confirmed my Zoom RhythmTrak 323 will do that (going for
> > $150-$250 on Ebay). Great sounding machine, with its
> biggest weakness
> > being it has an LCD screen with no backlight. I think there's a
> > downloadable manual at the Zoom site if you're curious.
> >
> > Neil
>

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> It's free, www.robobidder.com mac or IBM

Hmm, and not forgetting that your credit card details etc. are tied into your ebay account and password, so then this guy has the lot...

Don't think I'll bother, 

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thanks greg.


jimmy

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> --- Jimmy George Band <jg@jimmygeorgeband.com> wrote:
> > the mackie vlz boards allow you to split the signals from the input
channels.
> > the 1202 for example has 4 inserts that can be sent to the loop as well
as the
> > house. im pretty sure this is their pattent and the only board that does
this.
> > anyone know of others?
>
> It's a simple byproduct of the way they wire their switching jacks,
nothing
> special or patentable about it. Lots of mixers do this. If it were wired
the
> other way around (so that the ring & sleeve were the "send", like some of
the
> older British boards) it'd be easy to make an "insert tap" cable where you
just
> connect a wire across the tip & ring (connecting them for the mixer, and
tapping
> them to whatever you send it to).
>
> Greg
>
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the handsonic is really awesome!

jimmy george
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> > The HR16 and the QY20 cannot be programmed when they are 
> slaved to the 
> > loopers MIDIclock and playing I find this essencial though, 
> to be able 
> > to change the drum pattern just as we change the loops 
> while playing!
> >
> > So, please, which are the machines that can do it?


Hmm... Does it have to be a drum machine? If you have a laptop you can
run Ableton Live slaved to midi clock. And that software will let you
assign just any midi controller to any parameter. I'm going to check
this out myself ASAP ;-)   Just an idea....

Best wishes

Per Boysen
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Just an additional thought. I need to wire up a couple of these "permanent
inserts" right now because people can't seem to remember that the jacks only
supposed to go in halfway, so suddenly things stop working because someone saw a
half inserted jack and pushed it in to "help out".

Greg

--- Jimmy George Band <jg@jimmygeorgeband.com> wrote:
> thanks greg.
> 
> 
> jimmy
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Greg House <ghunicycle@yahoo.com>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 2:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Considering Boomerang or EDP
> 
> 
> > --- Jimmy George Band <jg@jimmygeorgeband.com> wrote:
> > > the mackie vlz boards allow you to split the signals from the input
> channels.
> > > the 1202 for example has 4 inserts that can be sent to the loop as well
> as the
> > > house. im pretty sure this is their pattent and the only board that does
> this.
> > > anyone know of others?
> >
> > It's a simple byproduct of the way they wire their switching jacks,
> nothing
> > special or patentable about it. Lots of mixers do this. If it were wired
> the
> > other way around (so that the ring & sleeve were the "send", like some of
> the
> > older British boards) it'd be easy to make an "insert tap" cable where you
> just
> > connect a wire across the tip & ring (connecting them for the mixer, and
> tapping
> > them to whatever you send it to).
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > __________________________________________________
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> > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more
> > http://taxes.yahoo.com/
> >
> >
> 


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Although I never caught Mister Rogers Neighborhood in my own youth, having
been 7.5 (and more into 8th Man, Batman, and GI Joe at the time), when we
moved to the East Coast, my sister DID.  Later on I came to appreciate Fred
Rogers' ability to help children deal with things like the Challenger
disaster and other incredibly awful events.  YES indeedy, he had this Zen
thing going, even changing his shoes for his time with his viewers.  And the
constant nature of the guy wears on: when parents talked less and less to
their kids, here Mister Rogers was to help fill in the gaps of making sense
of an otherwise-unexplained, chaotic world.

I'm sorry the world doesn't have more of him around.  Amen.

S.


> All,
>
> >PITTSBURGH (Feb. 27) - Fred Rogers, who gently invited millions
> >of children to be his neighbor as host of the public television show
> >"Mister Rogers' Neighborhood" for more than 30 years, died of
> >cancer early Thursday. He was 74.
>
> This may seem like it's way, way off topic. But in another sense,
> this fellow performed a "living loop" for children on his program
> for nearly 32 years (1968 to 2000). The consistency of the
> format he followed -- a familiar one, probably, to almost every
> preschool child (or parent of one) in the US for the past 30
> years -- varied hardly at all. His TV show was an endless loop.
>
> While many may deride his presence in showbusiness as insipid
> and sentimental pap, I observe a tremendous amount of integrity
> and an almost Zen-like calm, and intentionality to both the
> man himself and his work (funny to think about, since he was
> actually an ordained Presbyterian minister and the furthest
> thing from "new agey").
>
> Whatever any of us may think about that show, I believe the man
> did a lot of good. The obvious goodness and gentleness evidenced
> in both his stage and real-life personas (which, in fact, were
> nearly identical) are an indication of a real "inner toughness" in
> the face of our postmodern society's cynicism, violence and
> general hopelessness.
>
> I haven't watched his show since my kids were very small and
> have given it very little thought since it stopped airing a couple
> of years ago. But, knowing he's gone now, I will miss him. I wish
> my own work and (by implication) life had anywhere near as
> much integrity and goodness about it.
>
> The "neighborhood" is just a little darker now for his passing.
> You can't say that about too many people these days -- or is
> my underlying cynicism and hopelessness showing? Whatever
> the hell this has to do with looping now escapes me. It only has
> to do with the meaning of life.
>
> Best,
>
> tEd � kiLLiAn
>
> ArsOcarina@aol.com
> http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian
> http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
> http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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Matthias Grob replied:

I just have the manual...
The idea is to connect a EDP between Send and Return of it and then
play arround with the effects before and after the loops just like
the Repeater does it :-)

>Hey dude--
>I am just beginning to use the G2 with a pair of EDPs, and have not made
any
>permanent assignments yet--I very much appreciate any information we can
>share about these units--BTW, I am using a MPX G2 with software version
1.0,
>understand that there is a free upgrade available.
>Suggest something and I will try it!
>Much respect and admiration,
>Gary

>>^>>>^>>>

Well . . .
At this point I am running a SC-880 tone module being driven by a guitar
synth (ZTAR) into the G2 and synching them to a pair of EDPs which are
recording guitar being affected (effected?) by a Boss GT-3. . .  But I'm not
married to this arrangement . . .
Going very slowly for reasons we need not go into right now.
Is there anybody else who would like to contribute to this perfectly on
topic thread?
Gary


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I cried today when I read the news.    The world has lost a gentle,
compassionate light.

rick



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Ok! I have a Repeater now, so my trusty  Upgraded 'Rang (has the 1845
chip installed) goes for $275 shipping included. I agree with the
previous poster: it ain't noisey unless you aren't using the trim knob
and gain staging properly. A friend used it recently with his guitar amp
and could not get the noise out of it. He gave it back to me, a couple
of cranks on the trim knob, and mixer control set-up and viola! No
noise! Got to read the manual I say, and get to know your beast. I've
never found it noisey, and with the upgrade,very very capable for fast,
live comping. But then...I do have the Repeater now so......
Interested, lemme know.

TIA,

John Hunter
Black Lotus Sound

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Wouldn't Mario's GRX4 accomplish this with any unit? I think his unit allows 
for before/after placement of effects. Here, I'll quote:

"You can have any combination of loops on and off, since there are four loops 
the most possible combination is 16...The GRX4 (like most) is a mono audio 
switcher.


You can have any combination of the loops on/off, so if Loop 4 is the looper 
you can feed Loop 4 with either no effects (Loops 1 to 3 off) or with 
effects, meaning any combination of Loops 1 to 3 on/off."

It's fairly inexpensive, too. 
www.axess-electronics.com     (though, I'm sure most have visited this 
before).

Two GRXs could be coupled to accomplish the stereo thing. Three for surround. 
Now that would be cool: the loop circulating on the rear speakers with the 
front and centers carrying the rest...

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I'd suggest the new software called devine machine instead of Live =
Ableton if u want to edit the loops.
Ableton is too much static...
www.devine-machine.com


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  > > So, please, which are the machines that can do it?


  Hmm... Does it have to be a drum machine? If you have a laptop you can
  run Ableton Live slaved to midi clock. And that software will let you
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  Best wishes

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MY story:  two years ago, inspired by guys like Bill Frisel and Dave Freisen, I bought a 'rang.  I fell deeply in love but was frustrated by the unit's restrictions within a few days.  I quickly sold it, fully intending to buy a edp soon after.  Well....that didnt happen.  first my car needed like 500 bucks, then I was unimployed, than my trumpet's need to be upgraded simply could wait no longer (thats my main instrument and cant be taken lightly).  Well anyway 2 years and about 7 musicaly life times later my Headrush arives in the mail (yesterday).  Far removed from an EDP but I've finaly made it back to the promised land. Moral: NEVER sell your only looper.




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  Ah, well it might be a guitar thing then.   -but the sample rate should
still be at 44.1 in half  speed since it's 96 in full, so theoretically it
should sound good.   <smile>   -but there ya go...   

Smiles,

Cara

At 09:19 PM 2/27/03 +0100, you wrote:
>
>On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 08:36 PM, Kirkland Mack wrote:
>
>>  Well I definitely notice a loss in clarity in 28 second mode, 
>> especially when overdubbing
>
>Me too :) One of my favourite tricks is to do a slowish pizzicato 
>arpeggio run on the lower strings of my 6 string violin, then during 
>the end of the second time around the loop, hit the speed button to 
>double the speed, and at the same time, hit a low sustained string.... 
>Its lovely :)...
>
>My only gripe with the DL4 is that it is almost impossible to reverse a 
>loop without screwing up with the timing... double tapping is hard. I'm 
>seriously thinking about investing in an Echo pro so that I can do this 
>via Midi.
>
>


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Matthias,

I don't know how it compares to the PCM80/90, but I own the MPX-1 and 
have been pleasantly surprised with the reverbs.  I believe the MPX-G2 
has better A/D/A converters so it probably sounds smoother.

Matt

Matthias Grob wrote:
> i finally had a closer look at that lexicon guitar effect and was amazed 
> about its insert feature. This allows to insert a looper and have the 
> filter/distortion/pitch effects before and the reverb after the looper, 
> so that could replace the PCM80 and 90 for me!
> 
> Does anyone do that?
> Is the reverb quality somehow in the range of the PCM80 (it certainly 
> does not match the 90 but there is no need on stage)?
> 
> Its a pity that the Send is not stereo with panning, else we could 
> connect two EDPs to it and use them as two track or stereo 
> alternatively, just by changing the parameters at the G2!



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chrismandel@juno.com wrote:
> MY story:  two years ago, inspired by guys like Bill Frisel and Dave Freisen, I bought a 'rang.  I fell deeply in love but was frustrated by the unit's restrictions within a few days.  I quickly sold it, fully intending to buy a edp soon after.  Well....that didnt happen.  first my car needed like 500 bucks, then I was unimployed, than my trumpet's need to be upgraded simply could wait no longer (thats my main instrument and cant be taken lightly).  Well anyway 2 years and about 7 musicaly life times later my Headrush arives in the mail (yesterday).  Far removed from an EDP but I've finaly made it back to the promised land. Moral: NEVER sell your only looper.

Welcome back.

Too many times I've sold a "little used" effect and have then missed it 
greatly.  Alas, sometimes the allure of new gear is all encompassing.

Matt

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  Hi, Re:  rhythmic patterns of half and full speed, Yes, the EDP can do
this quite easily, and when copying to a new loop, you're actually in
multiply mode by default, so yes.  What effect are you going for with the
multiply?...  

Smiles,

Cara

At 11:36 AM 2/27/03 -0800, you wrote:
>        - Kirkland  <> wrote: Switch into half speed mode when starting a
>loop, and you now have 28
>secs. of loop time, with little or no audible loss of fidelity. 
>-just an FYI, in case you weren't aware of it already... Have a great
>day!... 
>
>Smiles,
>
>Cara
>
>
>


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  I should have said, at least 44.1...   

Smiles,

CQ

At 07:38 PM 2/27/03 -0700, you wrote:
>  Ah, well it might be a guitar thing then.   -but the sample rate should
>still be at 44.1 in half  speed since it's 96 in full, so theoretically it
>should sound good.   <smile>   -but there ya go...   
>
>Smiles,
>
>Cara
>
>At 09:19 PM 2/27/03 +0100, you wrote:
>>
>>On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 08:36 PM, Kirkland Mack wrote:
>>
>>>  Well I definitely notice a loss in clarity in 28 second mode, 
>>> especially when overdubbing
>>
>>Me too :) One of my favourite tricks is to do a slowish pizzicato 
>>arpeggio run on the lower strings of my 6 string violin, then during 
>>the end of the second time around the loop, hit the speed button to 
>>double the speed, and at the same time, hit a low sustained string.... 
>>Its lovely :)...
>>
>>My only gripe with the DL4 is that it is almost impossible to reverse a 
>>loop without screwing up with the timing... double tapping is hard. I'm 
>>seriously thinking about investing in an Echo pro so that I can do this 
>>via Midi.
>>
>>
>
>
>---
>
>  "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother.
>-Then, anything is possible..."  
>
>http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates
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>Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe.  
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction 
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe 
>
>
>


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all payments are separete from the robobidder





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nope, yer guessing now. I don't have to help everybody. Payments are not 
handled by robobidder.




Hmm, and not forgetting that your credit card details etc. are tied into
your ebay account and password, so then this guy has the lot...

Don't think I'll bother,

M

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On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 06:28  PM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL 
wrote:
> I cried today when I read the news.    The world has lost a gentle,
> compassionate light.

i tried to cry. i was at work. ever tried making coffee drinks for 
people while you bawl your head off?

his calm demeanour and musicality were an influence upon me from a very 
young age. i still wear sweaters and ties and sportcoats with my blue 
plimsoll sneakers. i'm wearing a pair right now in fact. i'm sure the 
gentle calm that he brought my 7-year old self helped me become 
attracted to and eventually make loopy ambient music. that's where our 
true influences are. the people who touch our lives for good or for 
bad. their emotions manifest themselves and contribute to our personal 
muse.

i remember being enchanted by the flutey minimoog solos and rhodes 
piano flourishes used in the cue music of the program. i didn't really 
understand what i was hearing at the time because i didn't play music 
until years after i stopped watching his programme. but recently i've 
had fred rogers flashbacks when playing a rhodes at the music store, or 
playing a minimoog triangle wave solo when i was in albuquerque last 
year. i felt this calm wash over me ... and when i lifted my hands off 
the keys i could hear fred's comforting voice talking about being nice 
in the sandbox or how exciting it is to get mail.

i also like the way his spirituality guided his programme without ever 
really being obvious on the surface. all musicians should take note of 
that: it's not necessary to be preachy to make spiritual music. even if 
you don't make spiritual music there is a lesson to be learned there.

when my friend nathan called today to chat i broke the sad news to him. 
he said "that's super shitty. he was the nicest guy in the world."

i don't think there's any more i can add than that, really.

---
Eric Williamson
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I'm afriad I still don't want to hand my log in details of a site which has access to my credit card info, to a third party, whome ever it may be. Sorry, but this concept is flawed to anyone who has any sense of internet security.

> From: "Denis Aldrich" <joy_top@hotmail.com>
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> > to switch your rang speeds you must first turn the system off. kind
of a
> > bummer. does the edp swotch speeds in play mode?
>
> Yes, you can switch EDP speeds without interrupting the sound.
>

You can switch Hlf full speed as fast as you want by midi (16th note
full-half-full) same with forward and reverse

without a glitch

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The idea is to create simple repeating melodies just by manually adjusting delay times via rocker pedal, including making some loops jump up and down rythmically by an octave with the half speed feature. 
 Goddess <thefates@earthlink.net> wrote:Hi, Re: rhythmic patterns of half and full speed, Yes, the EDP can do
this quite easily, and when copying to a new loop, you're actually in
multiply mode by default, so yes. What effect are you going for with the
multiply?... 

Smiles,

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This is an interesting one--
I've got two midi triggers set on the Ztar such that I can set the loop
point and then restart the loop real quickly--what this does is to
s-l-l-o-o-o-o-w-w-w-w d-o-o-w-w-n-n-n playback without affecting pitch.
Just thought I'd share--and BTW, I'm having issues synching up the MPX G2
with the EDP pair.  Maybe I need version 1.1 of the G2--Anybody????
Gary


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ted-well put.
wow, he started in '68 (i would have been 4). i never watched him or 
sesame st as a kid (i was a devout capt. kangaroo-ite. actually i 
watched capt kangaroo more when i hit the high school age than when i 
was young...
it's funny i saw a show a few months back, and they always started 
the same, he walked in, took shoes off, sings, etc...he lived a 
loop....
the other thing i think of is i'm glad his show is on (still), as a 
parent w/ my son, there is a lot of crap on, his show is not crap. 
perhaps sentimental and simple, but good in a lot of ways....
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-----Original Message-----
From: Clayton Gary Lehmann

This is an interesting one--
I've got two midi triggers set on the Ztar such that I can set the loop
point and then restart the loop real quickly--what this does is to
s-l-l-o-o-o-o-w-w-w-w d-o-o-w-w-n-n-n playback without affecting pitch.

>>^>>^>>>   Forgot to mention--coupled with reverse, this can make for long
sustains of the passage as well--

Gary




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I do a similar thing on a peavey pc 1600x button
press is trigger 90 49 7F 90 49 00  (note on /off on ch1)
release is start point 90 4E 7F (note on )

each press retriggs the loop FWard for the amount of time the key was
pressed before
I call that FW retrigger
the next pc1600x button is a simple retrigger
the combination of theese two buttons are
g-g-g-gr-gr-gr-r-r-r-r-re-re-re-re-re-ea-ea-ea-ea-at-at-at-at-at fun

Clauddddddddddddddddde



>
> This is an interesting one--
> I've got two midi triggers set on the Ztar such that I can set the
loop
> point and then restart the loop real quickly--what this does is to
> s-l-l-o-o-o-o-w-w-w-w d-o-o-w-w-n-n-n playback without affecting
pitch.
>
> >>^>>^>>>   Forgot to mention--coupled with reverse, this can make for
long
> sustains of the passage as well--
>
> Gary
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--- Douglas Baldwin <coyotelk@optonline.net> wrote:
> I run a guitar/bass instruction studio on Long Island. I suspect the median
> income is a bit higher than most parts of the country, yet my prices are
> considered fair, and many of my adult students actually think I undercharge! I
> charge $25 per half hour, $50 per hour, payment at the beginning of the month
> for that month's lessons. I use a very clearly worded studio policy to cover
> absence, lateness, cancellations, reschedulings, etc. 

I would be interested in hearing your "studio policy".

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[ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ]

EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.

                    Show #310                    February 27, 2003.


RECAP:
On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Orbital Decay, a spacemusic
duo in the Quakertown area who recently played at the Soundscapes Concert
Series</a> on February 22.  The Featured CD at midnight was "Live on WXPN."

The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Ricochet" by Tangerine Dream on Virgin
Records.

I also played the music of vidnaObmana who will play at the next Soundscapes in
Bethlehem, Pennsylvania on April 19.  I also played the music of Vir Unis and
James Johnson who will be at the next Gathering in Philadelphia on April 12.

Orbital Decay http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#feb
Soundscapes Concert Series http://soundscapes.us
Gatherings Concert Series http://thegatherings.org


PLAYLIST:

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
11:00 pm
Tangerine Dream         Part One                 Ricochet (Virgin)
Vir Unis and            Stroboscopic             Thermal Transfer (Binary)
  Saul Stokes
vidnaObmana             Flesh Reaper             Tremor (Relapse)
James Johnson and       A Slow Return            Forgotten PLaces (Zero Music
  Robert Scott Thompson                            and Aucourant Records)
Xeroid Entity           Third Moon of Saturn     Xeroid Entity (Xeroid Records)
Mr. Soon                Quartzite                Places in Arizona
                                                   (Psychosomatic)
Artemiy Artemiev and    Preliminary Steps        Equilibrium (Electroshock)
  Karda Estrada

12:00 am
Orbital Decay           August 12, 2001          Live on WXPN (none)

1:00 am

 * = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)


NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll start a month-long focus on Spacecraft.  The Featured
CD at Midnight will be "Spacecraft" on the Lektronic Soundscapes label.

The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Forever Blowing Bubbles" by
Clearlight on Virgin Records.

I will also play the music of vidnaObmana, Vir Unis, and James Johnson who will
be appearing at local concerts in April.

Bill
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Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN
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Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh  and click  REAL AUDIO
Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill               All times are GMT-5:00
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Hey all,

        Re:Cooperation "Transcollaboration" is available at: 

                        http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/recooperation

DreamLand 'Underwater": http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/dreamland

        There are reviews and mp3s at each page.


                                    Thanks, James Sidlo

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On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 06:42 PM, Matthew F. McCabe wrote:

>
> Too many times I've sold a "little used" effect and have then missed 
> it greatly.  Alas, sometimes the allure of new gear is all 
> encompassing.

Now this is something I've been finding out how to deal with... the 
hard way.  We just moved to a smaller place due to financial reasons.  
Let me tell you: MOVING SUCKS.  I had to make some hard decisions.  I 
think I have to make more.  Some had to do with dressers.  When you've 
got no closet, a four drawer dresser sure doesn't cut it, and you find 
yourself selling your nice real wood dresser for a 6 drawer pressboard 
junk box from FURNI.  Anyway, I digress.

The same thing is hitting me with my loop set up.  First to go was my 
PA speakers.  Luckily for me they went to a VERY good home (Hi Kim!)  
Now, however, I'm looking at a few pieces of little used gear and 
asking tough questions.  Where do I put this?  I look at my MO-FX and 
say, "sure you're fun, but you're taking up 2 rack spaces!"  All of the 
sudden that piece of gear that gets occasional use starts to get 
considered for an eBay fate.  I know I'll kick myself if I get rid of 
the Mo-FX, but these are things that have been on my mind.  I usually 
justify it by saying, "...having less will be better.  I'll get more 
intimate with the remaining gear..."  Sure, it's true on some level, 
but damn I miss some of my cool old stompboxes.  Ah, those were the 
days.

And that's how the move from discreet effects to multi-effect units 
seems to happen.  What always seems to be the casualty is control.  
Stompboxes have nice knobs to screw with, where big multi-effect boxes 
can be controlled via MIDI, but usually it's not nearly as good as the 
discreet effect.  Often not as good sounding either.  I think this is 
why I'm enamored by the KAOSS pad and the AirFX.  Quirky little devices 
that are as much about how to perform the effect as about the effect 
itself.

Blah blah blah, ramble ramble ramble, blah blah.

Mark Sottilaro

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I don't know about the MPX G2, but if it's anything like the MPX 1, be 
prepared to sit down and spend a couple of evenings trying to figure 
out how to get an effect to synch to a midi clock.  I seem to remember 
the key was setting the time if an effect from a sec/msec amout to an 
interval like 16/4 and have the clock set for MIDI.  It's been so long, 
(and complicated) that I'm not going to go into it, but just read and 
reread the manual and keep pressing buttons until it does what you 
want.  Good luck.

Mark

On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 06:48 AM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote:

> This is an interesting one--
> I've got two midi triggers set on the Ztar such that I can set the loop
> point and then restart the loop real quickly--what this does is to
> s-l-l-o-o-o-o-w-w-w-w d-o-o-w-w-n-n-n playback without affecting pitch.
> Just thought I'd share--and BTW, I'm having issues synching up the MPX 
> G2
> with the EDP pair.  Maybe I need version 1.1 of the G2--Anybody????
> Gary
>
>

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Hi Gary - Detroit's local electronics repairman for musicians guru has worked on Lake Butler RFCs before and anticipates that he can replace the battery (even if it's the wrong size (saw your posting on Yahoo)) and can likely fix squirrely messaging/anything wrong with it. He's quite good and mad, so I trust him thoroughly. If you are interested in selling it as is, let me know. I think this could be approaching a done-deal.

Paul

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I just sent something not intended for the entire loopers group to the entire loopers group. F'ing  sheeeit!

Loopers rock. Be cool.

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This deal on Steinberg Nuendo software for Macintosh just flew over 
the transom (actually I happened to be present yesterday when the 
deal was arranged between the two companies). Steinberg just wants to 
clean out remaining stock before Nuendo 2 comes out next month. It's 
effectively the same as academic pricing:


audioMIDI.com
9240 Deering Avenue
Chatsworth, CA 91311-5803
(818) 993-0772


<http://www.audiomidi.com/common/cfm/product.cfm?Product_ID=3556&cpid=143>Nuendo 
Mac $799.50

Limited offer while supply lasts:

audioMIDI.com lucked out and purchased a small bunch of the OEM 
Nuendo that is the full featured 1.5 product and upgradeable FREE to 
2.0 when released. Of significant notice is the 2.0 Version will 
increase in price to $1,495.00 MSRP .

This is a great opportunity to get Nuendo Mac at an unbelievable 
price plus the upgrade to 2.0 makes this a "slam dunk" if you were 
considering Nuendo Mac.

Hurry we only have a few...

 
 
 
 
<http://www.audiomidi.com/common/cfm/product.cfm?Product_ID=3556&cpid=143>Check 
it out 
here  <http://www.audiomidi.com/common/cfm/product.cfm?Product_ID=3556&cpid=143> 



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<div>This deal on Steinberg Nuendo software for Macintosh just flew
over the transom (actually I happened to be present yesterday when the
deal was arranged between the two companies). Steinberg just wants to
clean out remaining stock before Nuendo 2 comes out next month. It's
effectively the same as academic pricing:</div>
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<div>audioMIDI.com&nbsp; </div>
<div>9240 Deering Avenue&nbsp; </div>
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<div>(818) 993-0772</div>
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<div>audioMIDI.com lucked out and purchased a small bunch of the OEM
Nuendo that is the full featured 1.5 product and upgradeable FREE to
2.0 when released. Of significant notice is the 2.0 Version will
increase in price to $1,495.00 MSRP .</div>
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<div>This is a great opportunity to get Nuendo Mac at an unbelievable
price plus the upgrade to 2.0 makes this a &quot;slam dunk&quot; if
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[T] Killer deal on Nuendo Mac!I thoroughly recommend Nuendo (although i =
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  To: Composersalons@aol.com ; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com ; =
microsound ; cecdiscuss@concordia.ca=20
  Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 9:02 PM
  Subject: [T] Killer deal on Nuendo Mac!


  This deal on Steinberg Nuendo software for Macintosh just flew over =
the transom (actually I happened to be present yesterday when the deal =
was arranged between the two companies). Steinberg just wants to clean =
out remaining stock before Nuendo 2 comes out next month. It's =
effectively the same as academic pricing:




  audioMIDI.com =20
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  Nuendo Mac $799.50                                                     =
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  This is a great opportunity to get Nuendo Mac at an unbelievable price =
plus the upgrade to 2.0 makes this a "slam dunk" if you were considering =
Nuendo Mac.


  Hurry we only have a few...


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FWIW, my understanding is that nuendo runs considerably better on PC =20
than on Mac.  I don't know if they've addressed this in 2.0.

nathan

On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 01:06 PM, David Swain wrote:

> I thoroughly recommend Nuendo (although i use it on the pc)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Richard Zvonar
> To: Composersalons@aol.com ; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com ; =20
> microsound ; cecdiscuss@concordia.ca
> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 9:02 PM
> Subject: [T] Killer deal on Nuendo Mac!
>
> This deal on Steinberg Nuendo software for Macintosh just flew over =20=

> the transom (actually I happened to be present yesterday when the deal =
=20
> was arranged between the two companies). Steinberg just wants to clean =
=20
> out remaining stock before Nuendo 2 comes out next month. It's =20
> effectively the same as academic pricing:
>
>
> audioMIDI.com=A0
> 9240 Deering Avenue=A0
> Chatsworth, CA 91311-5803=A0
> (818) 993-0772
>
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>
> Limited offer while supply lasts:
>
> audioMIDI.com lucked out and purchased a small bunch of the OEM Nuendo =
=20
> that is the full featured 1.5 product and upgradeable FREE to 2.0 when =
=20
> released. Of significant notice is the 2.0 Version will increase in =20=

> price to $1,495.00 MSRP .
>
> This is a great opportunity to get Nuendo Mac at an unbelievable price =
=20
> plus the upgrade to 2.0 makes this a "slam dunk" if you were =20
> considering Nuendo Mac.
>
> Hurry we only have a few...
>
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FWIW, my understanding is that nuendo runs considerably better on PC
than on Mac.  I don't know if they've addressed this in 2.0.


nathan


On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 01:06 PM, David Swain wrote:


<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Verdana</param><smaller>I thoroughly
recommend Nuendo (although i use it on the pc)</smaller></fontfamily>


----- Original Message -----

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<bold>To:</bold>
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<bold>Sent:</bold> Friday, February 28, 2003 9:02 PM

<bold>Subject:</bold> [T] Killer deal on Nuendo Mac!


This deal on Steinberg Nuendo software for Macintosh just flew over
the transom (actually I happened to be present yesterday when the deal
was arranged between the two companies). Steinberg just wants to clean
out remaining stock before Nuendo 2 comes out next month. It's
effectively the same as academic pricing:



audioMIDI.com=A0

9240 Deering Avenue=A0

Chatsworth, CA 91311-5803=A0

(818) 993-0772



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Limited offer while supply lasts:


audioMIDI.com lucked out and purchased a small bunch of the OEM Nuendo
that is the full featured 1.5 product and upgradeable FREE to 2.0 when
released. Of significant notice is the 2.0 Version will increase in
price to $1,495.00 MSRP .


This is a great opportunity to get Nuendo Mac at an unbelievable price
plus the upgrade to 2.0 makes this a "slam dunk" if you were
considering Nuendo Mac.


Hurry we only have a few...


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http://www.zvonar.com

http://RZCybernetics.com


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At 1:33 PM -0800 2/28/03, nathan pease wrote:
>FWIW, my understanding is that nuendo runs considerably better on PC 
>than on Mac.  I don't know if they've addressed this in 2.0.

 From what I've been told, version 2 will have a great many improvements.

I don't know what running "considerably better" means, but I have 
friends who run Nuendo on the Mac and are quite happy.
-- 

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HI, Do any of you know about a problem undoing a 'layer' of music from ALL 
cycles after a multiply has been done?  A long press of UNDO erases the 
newest layer from all cycles EXCEPT the first one!   (My memory is at max.)
Here is a simple example:
1. RECORD a drum beat for a few measures. Say it is 4 seconds long.
2.  MULTIPLY a guitar line over it.    Play and record the guitar through 4 
cycles, so that the resulting loop is now 16 seconds long (4seconds X  
4cycles).
3 UNDO -   Do a 'long' press, and the guitar part, played over all 4 cycles 
is now gone,  EXCEPT for the part existing during the first cycle.
4.  Short presses do not help and also, there are similar examples to the 
above where the UNDO function is not even available at all, at any time.

IS THIS A BUG??   I did not have this problem using the Loop III V.5 which i 
am about to reinstall to make this sucker work!
Thank you for any of your answers - Patty in SF





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Nweamo is currently planning its 2003 festival, to be held in October 
in Portland and
San Diego. We'd be grateful if you could pass the following on to potentially
interested parties.

...................
Call for works

NWEAMO 2003: The Exploding Interactive Inevitable
October 3-5, 2003: Portland, Oregon (B-Complex)
October 10-12, 2003: San Diego, California (San Diego State University)

The Northwest Electro-Acoustic Music Organization (NWEAMO) is
currently seeking audience-interactive electro-acoustic works to
include in its fifth annual international festival of electronic
music. These works must rely on some form of audience participation
to complete their execution. Interaction may be physical,
intellectual, sensory, and/or other type, and it may be achieved
through technological, entirely human, or other means. Works may be
representative of all styles and aesthetics, from the classical
avant-garde to the fringes of experimental pop. To facilitate
electronic interaction, NWEAMO will provide a wireless access point
(802.11) with a connection to the Internet.

NWEAMO also welcomes submissions of electro-acoustic works that do
not involve audience interaction. However, works submitted for
consideration must feature a live performance element.

To view the full version of this call for works (including submission
guidelines) and to access further information about NWEAMO 2003: The
Exploding Interactive Inevitable, please visit www.nweamo.org.

NWEAMO is a not-for-profit, volunteer-run organization dedicated to
the support of living composers working in the area of
electro-acoustic music.
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Jill Teasley
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http://www.nweamo.org
jteasley@axion.net

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This may have something to do with it- 

>From the EDP manual:

1-4 Echoplex Digital Pro User's Guide
If you don't like what you've just overdubbed, you can press Undo to
erase it. If your loop length is short compared to the amount of memory
in your Echoplex, Undo can erase the layers of overdubs one by one.
However, this capability is limited by the amount of memory that you
have installed. If your loop length is longer than half your memory
capacity, for instance, you won't be able to Undo at all.


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bleeeeeh......the artist pays 15 bucks for you to perhaps pick then to do a 15
minute set......bleeeeeeh
you need to come up with a better way to fund your festival then soaking the
artists





Jill Teasley wrote:

> Nweamo is currently planning its 2003 festival, to be held in October
> in Portland and
> San Diego. We'd be grateful if you could pass the following on to potentially
> interested parties.
>
> ...................
> Call for works
>
>
> To view the full version of this call for works (including submission
> guidelines) and to access further information about NWEAMO 2003: The
> Exploding Interactive Inevitable, please visit www.nweamo.org.
>
> NWEAMO is a not-for-profit, volunteer-run organization dedicated to
> the support of living composers working in the area of
> electro-acoustic music.
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